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What were the main bullet points
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Democrat to really Market 
Advocate at? 

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Well, I'll never forget at one 
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He said my marginal utility for 
you is rising. 

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I had no idea what he said, but 
it sounded really good, you 

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know, he just talked about how 
how the free market provides a 

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way that to to distribute to 
create and distribute Shoot 

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goods and services how it takes.
It takes raw materials and adds 

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to it Innovation and labor and 
create something better. 

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You know, the iron being a great
example of how you take some 

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iron and you manipulate it and 
then it becomes a nail or a pin 

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or a wagon or wheel or 
something. 

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And so, under the mercantilists,
there was this belief that 

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there's a finite amount 
Resources in the world. 

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And because of that, if you 
wanted to get wealthier, you had

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to take it from someone else 
because there was just this 

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finite amount. 
So if you wanted more for 

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yourself, you had to take it 
from someone else. 

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So we have this, this world 
Empire kind of philosophy going 

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in and taking natural resources 
from someone else. 

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But Adam Smith recognized that 
you could make the pie bigger 

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simply by adding to the 
resources, Innovation invention.

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Action and and labor to make it 
into something else. 

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That's more, that's more 
valuable. 

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And so you didn't have to just 
Scurry around trying to get a 

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bigger part of the pie, you can 
make that pie bigger and that's 

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what the free market does. 
And and and what he taught me is

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that and what I like to try to 
teach others about capitalism is

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that capitalism is a way of 
saving your resources, not 

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spending everything that saving 
your resources and then Using 

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them to create a bigger pie and 
you do that by finding out what 

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other people want and, or need 
or even telling them before, 

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they know they need it. 
And then providing it for them, 

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it makes their lives better. 
And it makes your life better 

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when people complain about 
billionaires about Steve Jobs or

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Bill Gates. 
I just hold up this phone and I 

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say, I can own everything. 
I all of the intellectual stuff 

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I need, I can have right here on
this phone. 

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All of my contacts, all of my 
documents, all of my music, 

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Music. 
Everything I need is in this 

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little handheld device that I 
bought for $350. 

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So Steve Jobs gives 350 billion 
dollars. 

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I don't care cuz he gave me 
this, right? 

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You made my life better. 
When I was a young mother, I 

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watched how diapers went from 
cloth diapers and safety pins on

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plastic, plastic pants to 
disposables that originally, we 

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had to use with safety pins and 
then they had tabs what. 

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Like Band-Aids. 
And you had this little plastic 

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thing that you had to throw away
and sometimes the baby would get

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it and get it stuck in their 
mouth. 

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So then they came up with the 
kind that are that are self 

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adhesive and now you can undo 
them and do and put them 

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together. 
No government agent would ever 

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ever have created diapers the 
way diapers, are they even have 

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them for boys and girls, 
depending on whether they, they 

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pee front or back boys, pee 
front and girls pee back? 

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Well, no one would have done 
that, but the market does it 

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because there's a demand for it.
Or they created demand for it, 

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they're always making our lives 
better. 

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And the price comes down. 
Our very first. 

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One of these was a, was a 
gigantic computer, this High, 

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you had to formate every single 
page, had to be formated 

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formatted separately cost us 15 
thousand dollars. 

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And we were really grateful to 
have it because we were writing 

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books and I've got it right here
or the laptop. 

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I'm looking at right now and you
know, cost under $1000. 

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So price goes down as as quality
and demand picks up. 

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The market is beautiful. 
How it decides look at what 

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happened when the pandemic 
started and we didn't have 

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enough toilet, paper and paper 
towels. 

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Georgia-Pacific immediately 
stopped making typing paper and 

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started making paper towels and 
toilet paper. 

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With alcohol companies started 
making hand, sanitizer GM 

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started making ventilators. 
I mean, the market, the market 

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does that we live in Florida 
where they have hurricanes and 

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it used to be that if if Perkin 
was coming, you had to get 

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supplies. 
Flies by a week ahead, because 

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they would be nothing on the 
stores now. 

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They Supply constantly because 
they just, they know A 

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hurricane's coming. 
So they divert trucks to a 

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different place and and they get
everything where it needs to be.

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We don't need a government to do
that. 

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We have a market, we have 
businesses, we have capitalist. 

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I take my students at Chapman 
University to see the statue of 

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Charles Chapman, who founded our
University. 

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And I tell them, this is a 
capitalist. 

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He could have spent all his 
money on him. 

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Elf. 
But instead, he saved it, he 

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bought this land, he put 
buildings on it. 

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And he created the school that 
you could attend, because he 

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cared about the future. 
That's what capitalism does? 

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Its savings. 
It's put to a better use. 

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So, I just think the free market
is beautiful and makes mistakes.

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Yes. 
But, those mistakes can be 

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corrected very quickly. 
Once a government gets involved,

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you can't get rid of them, but 
if a business makes a mistake, 

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they either correct or they're 
out. 

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And so it has a wonderful Eating
balanced as well, what you said 

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about the price? 
Going down is so vitally 

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important because it used to be 
like, if I saved up for a long 

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time, I could responsibly go to 
Barnes and Noble and purchase a 

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book, maybe two. 
If I had really saved up and it 

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would have come out $25 a book 
or so. 

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But now with Amazon, I have 
saved so much money and gotten 

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access to more information than 
I ever could have dreamed of 

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different points of view. 
I can get the Communist 

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Manifesto and Rothbart's ethics 
of Liberty for so cheap that 

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it's worth actually purchasing 
them for that. 

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I was previously an Obama 
supporter. 

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And basically with me, it was so
similar to what you said, but it

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was just every shortcoming that 
the free market had applied 

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tenfold to the government 
because they didn't face 

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competition and you couldn't opt
out of harming them. 

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So, so no matter what it was 
like, but what about X whatever 

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X was existed under both state 
has and fascism? 

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Communism voluntourism. 
So it just once I ran things 

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through that methodology, I was 
just out of it. 

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I mean I just went from like 
Barack Obama to Mitt Romney to 

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Ron Paul. 
Just let me give you a great 

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example. 
Just a great example cord. 

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Angeles is one of my heroes. 
He's been working on on school 

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choice for years and I adore the
man because he found the right 

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metaphor, when he said the money
should follow the student. 

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When he said, if I decide to buy
to buy my groceries at Walmart, 

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instead of Safeway, should my 
money continue to go to Safeway?

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No, it goes to Walmart or 
whatever. 

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The grocery store is that made 
sense. 

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But recently our local school 
system, starting started sending

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out postcards saying here's what
we're doing and what would you 

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like us to do better? 
And and come and join us and I 

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just found it really 
interesting. 

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What we've been saying all along
is that School choice is not 

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going to end the public school 
system, it's going to make the 

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public school system better. 
And that's exactly what's 

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happening with the competition 
of charter schools, and private 

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schools and home school. 
The public school is finally 

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realizing we need to do some 
advertising. 

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We need to step up our game. 
We need to attract parents to 

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choose our school. 
Because, you know, in terms of 

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convenience the local Public's 
was certainly the most 

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convenient to do. 
So, here it is the school. 

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A choice is leading to the 
competition that is going to 

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lead to Improvement and our 
Public Schools just like we've 

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been saying all along. 
I love it.