1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:05,160 World War 2, remember this, this concept of isolation. 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:10,160 We were once there as a nation and then Pearl Harbor happened. 3 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:15,520 Let's remember recent history. Europe remembers it well. 4 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:22,080 We then when we got attacked Pearl Harbor, we jumped in. 5 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:27,640 And it is because America jumped in that we were ultimately able 6 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:32,200 to win that war. What we're talking about, I'm 7 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:34,800 going to let you just explain your, your broader project. 8 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,720 You had sent me a, a pair of articles, one on Pearl Harbor 9 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,560 and one on Winston Churchill. And then I folks, I said, you 10 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:42,080 know what? This is such a lot of stuff. 11 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:43,480 Let's focus just on the Pearl Harbor one. 12 00:00:43,480 --> 00:00:46,600 But first, Keith, let me just let you give the the big vision 13 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:50,320 here of what you're doing. Almost every time you hear a 14 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:55,280 debate today on the Russia Ukraine situation, on the Israel 15 00:00:55,720 --> 00:01:00,480 Gaza war, you frequently will almost always hear people give 16 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:05,319 the analogy of the Second World War and how, look, everyone 17 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,640 agrees, every Scotsman knows, every schoolboy knows that the 18 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:12,160 Second World War was a morally justified war to get into. 19 00:01:12,320 --> 00:01:14,200 So that's kind of like what we're in today. 20 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,520 The problem is the opportunity cost of getting yourself 21 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:22,000 educated on the specifics is so, so high that people will just 22 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,680 revert to analogies, heroes, Churchill and Roosevelt, 23 00:01:25,960 --> 00:01:29,320 Billings, Hitler and Hirohito and Mussolini. 24 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,200 So because it's much easier just to create a prevailing 25 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,640 interpretation of a past event and then give people an analogy 26 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:40,600 on whose side they should be on. That is why we get this so 27 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,240 frequently. The reason Churchill 28 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:47,880 specifically, or Harry Truman in today's case is important is 29 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:52,040 because you will have a number of historians, Andrew Roberts, 30 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,560 Niall Ferguson, David McCullough, they will say, look, 31 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,000 politicians today, they can get corrupted. 32 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,640 And unfortunately, democracy is sort of out of whack a little. 33 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,320 This is not a problem of, you know, the state having a 34 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,320 monopoly on violence, the state having access to a central bank, 35 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,240 the state having a monopoly right to issue taxes while 36 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,200 controlling the compulsory education system. 37 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,520 It's none of that. It's we can have really good 38 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,480 people in charge of these institutions and the proof is in 39 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,120 the pudding. People like Harry Truman, 40 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,240 Franklin Roosevelt, Winston Churchill, these are good 41 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,280 statesman who we can actually admire. 42 00:02:25,640 --> 00:02:29,320 So what they do is they get you to say, we've done this before, 43 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,280 we can do it again. Don't change the nature of the 44 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,440 state. That is the problem with the 45 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,360 Second World War. It's the blanket analogy used to 46 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:42,360 justify current aggression, and it serves as a justifiable 47 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,040 example of how we can get good people in. 48 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,840 And it's not a problem of inherent incentives. 49 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,400 Look, I stopped right there. Yeah, when I was younger, there 50 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,840 was a period I, I was fast. Well, I'm still fascinated by 51 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:57,920 the world wars, I suppose. But I was back in. 52 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:00,160 I didn't use the term. I don't even know if the term 53 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,000 had been coined, but I, I arguably was a neoconservative. 54 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:04,800 I'm talking like when I was in high school and listen to Rush 55 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,320 Limbaugh and stuff. And I remember thinking about 56 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:13,320 World War 2 like, Oh, it's just such a great illustrative 57 00:03:14,640 --> 00:03:18,320 example to to guide us in our, in our current political affairs 58 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,320 because it just so crisply demonstrates the dangers of 59 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,480 appeasement. And, you know, and that's things 60 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,200 for the edit, you know, now, given my perspective, of course, 61 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,560 I realized like how I fell hook, line and sinker for the 62 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,960 marketing. But it is amazing just how much 63 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:33,520 of A lightning rod World War 2 is. 64 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,920 And I'm just repeating stuff that, you know, you guys have 65 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:40,200 talked about Dave Smith, of course, and commenting on when 66 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:43,400 Darryl Cooper was on Tucker Show recently and how why that it's 67 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,240 if you want to get up and say the US shouldn't have gone into 68 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,240 World War One, nobody cares that like major mainstream historians 69 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:50,880 might say, yeah, you could possibly make that case. 70 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,880 OK. And I suppose the Civil War, 71 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:57,920 even the Civil War, it's fine for historians to talk about how 72 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,880 the US state's been like failed, you know what I mean? 73 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,200 Like, oh, they had kept doing compromises up till then. 74 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:07,200 And then it was a failure partly of diplomacy and the strategic 75 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,640 moves of the various, you know, politicians involved. 76 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,040 But whereas with World War 2, if, if somebody says like, you 77 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,360 know, if we only could have kept the US out of that, somehow, 78 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:19,760 people will look at you like you're a monster. 79 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,800 Yeah, almost always the notice the appeasement contradiction 80 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,200 only works in One Direction. So if Vladimir Putin 81 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,720 hypothetically, potentially threatens our freedoms, we need 82 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:33,600 to go to war and risk mass death. 83 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,360 If Xi Jinping doesn't, we have to go to war and risk mass death 84 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,080 because our freedoms are being violated. 85 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,200 Now, when our domestic government violates our 86 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,600 freedoms, you can't so much as walk into the Capitol building 87 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,800 without a permission slip or they will literally blow your 88 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,120 head off. And Michael Byrd, the officer, 89 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,560 will get an interview at ABC about it. 90 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:58,240 Or NBCI, forget which one. This is the officer who shot 91 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,200 unarmed Ashley Babbitt right in the face. 92 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,760 It's on camera even though she was just in. 93 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,440 I guess it's her own building. Cause government belongs to the 94 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:07,960 public. We are the government. 95 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,080 So she was just in her own building without a permission 96 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:15,040 slip and they shot her in the face 'cause she was attempting 97 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:18,080 to intimidate people who she thought was were violating her 98 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,040 freedoms. She was someone in the military. 99 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,360 So the appeasement contradiction only goes in One Direction. 100 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,040 Foreign governments risk mass death. 101 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,200 The domestic government violates your freedoms. 102 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,440 Engage in deliberative democracy, but other than that, 103 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,560 just send them 40% of your income every April. 104 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:37,760 That's very interesting. I never thought of that. 105 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:43,080 It's anyway I don't. If we had more time, I might 106 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,200 just ask you to let's unpack that for 10 minutes. 107 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:49,760 But I don't want to cut short our discussion of the dastardly 108 00:05:49,840 --> 00:05:52,680 FDR. So when it comes to Pearl 109 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:57,280 Harbor, let me I've read like the day of deceit, or is it a 110 00:05:57,280 --> 00:05:58,640 Day of deceit or the day of deceit? 111 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:00,640 Do you? Remember Day of Deceit is Robert 112 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:06,640 Stinnett's 1999 book where he actually puts a nail in this 113 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:08,640 Pearl Harbor myth. There were a number of things 114 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,520 that really got people speculating as to the true 115 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:15,240 nature of it 'cause remember, there's a social contract we 116 00:06:15,280 --> 00:06:18,280 have with the government. We have to pay them the taxes. 117 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:22,960 If we don't pay, they put us in jail, but in return they keep us 118 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:24,440 safe. But if we don't hold up our end 119 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:25,960 of the bargain, we have have to go to jail. 120 00:06:26,280 --> 00:06:29,160 The question arises, what happens if they don't hold up 121 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,640 their end of the bargain? What if they don't keep us safe? 122 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,760 Well, what happens is their approval ratings go up, the 123 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,600 amount of money they print increases and they have more 124 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:40,200 powers than they ever did previously. 125 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,360 So this is the nature of the incentive of the state when it 126 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:47,240 comes to warfare that is so often glossed over by the Andrew 127 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,520 Roberts's and Niall Ferguson's of the world Anytime, guys, 128 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,640 Libertarian institute.org. You're welcome on the the 129 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,200 podcast. So what Stannett did is he got 130 00:06:57,280 --> 00:07:01,720 access to a number of Freedom of Information archives and one of 131 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,480 them stood out quite notably to him. 132 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:08,240 This is a memorandum from October 7th of 1940. 133 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:10,840 It was written by Captain Arthur McCullum. 134 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:15,600 His title was Chief of the Far Eastern Section of Naval 135 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,560 Intelligence. If you read the 1946 Pearl 136 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:20,720 Harbor Congressional investigation, his name is 137 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,720 mentioned 55 times indicating this is a memo from someone who 138 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,840 was in a position who was in a place to know what he was 139 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,080 talking about. This was not just some random 140 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:33,200 lunatic. Here is what this memorandum, 141 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:37,760 October 7th, 1940 says. It's titled Estimate of the 142 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:42,240 Situation in the Pacific and Recommendations for Action by 143 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:46,320 the United States. He says it is not believed that 144 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,760 in the present state of political opinion in the United 145 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:52,800 States, government is capable of declaring war against Japan 146 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:56,080 without more adieu, and it is barely possible that vigorous 147 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:59,520 action on our part might lead the Japanese to modify their 148 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,800 attitude. Therefore the following course 149 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:06,160 of action is suggested. A Make an arrangement with 150 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,840 Britain for the use of British bases in the Pacific, 151 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:12,080 particularly Singapore. Make an arrangement with Holland 152 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:15,600 for the use of base facilities and acquisition of supplies in 153 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,640 the Dutch E Indies. Give all possible aid to the 154 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,440 Chinese Government of Chiang Kai Shek. 155 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:24,240 Send a division of long range heavy cruisers to the Orient, 156 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,800 Philippines or Singapore. Send two divisions of submarines 157 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,520 to the Orient. Keep the main strength of the US 158 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:34,120 fleet now in the Pacific, in the vicinity of the Hawaiian 159 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,280 Islands. G Insist that the Dutch refused 160 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,159 to grant Japanese demands for undue economic concessions, 161 00:08:40,159 --> 00:08:44,159 particularly oil. Finally, completely embargo all 162 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,560 U.S. trade with Japan in collaboration with a similar 163 00:08:47,560 --> 00:08:49,840 embargo imposed by the British Empire. 164 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:54,040 If by these means Japan could be led to commit an overt act of 165 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:58,160 war, so much the better. At all events, we must be fully 166 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,760 prepared to accept the threat of war. 167 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,200 What's important about these is, again, not just some guy 168 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,680 rambling. The primary points in this 169 00:09:06,680 --> 00:09:09,840 mellorandum ended up coming to fruition. 170 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,840 I'll get into the case of the Philippines in a second, but 171 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,520 obviously the Lend Lease package primarily included Britain, 172 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,520 heavily included the Soviet Union, but third on the list was 173 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,440 Chiang Kai Shek's government fighting the communist 174 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,560 revolutionaries. So this came to fruition. 175 00:09:26,560 --> 00:09:29,400 He was in a position to know what he was talking about when 176 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,400 he was talking about ways to provoke the Japanese into 177 00:09:32,560 --> 00:09:36,000 attacking America. Section F Keep the main strength 178 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,360 of the US fleet now in the Pacific, in the vicinity of the 179 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,880 Hawaiian Islands. Hawaii was not a state until 180 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,360 1959. So it's not just like, well, 181 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:45,400 yeah, that's part of America. They were going to be there 182 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:49,320 anyways. This was a very unique idea that 183 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,400 was not just inevitable. Let. 184 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,280 Me just make sure people caught that because that was something 185 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,040 to like. I vaguely knew that, but I never 186 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,560 really put it in the context of World War 2 that yeah, I think 187 00:09:59,560 --> 00:10:03,480 right now people think, say what you will about whether, you 188 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:05,240 know, the Roosevelt administration was being 189 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,880 belligerent and and they could have, you know, maintained 190 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,280 neutrality, but they were trying to provoke the Japanese in the 191 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:14,680 firing the first shot at still we had our ships parked at AUS 192 00:10:14,680 --> 00:10:16,400 State and they came and bombed us on our own. 193 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,600 And your point? No, it wasn't AUS State. 194 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,280 It was a clearly a naval outpost at that point. 195 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:27,640 It was a a colony more or less Section H completely embargo all 196 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,800 U.S. trade with Japan. This ended up being titled, I 197 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:35,880 want to say this was August or July of 41, the Export Control 198 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:41,200 Act of 1940 or 41. And then there was the freezing 199 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:45,600 of all Japanese assets in 41, which took place under Franklin 200 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:49,520 Roosevelt. So all of these things coming to 201 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,080 fruition, these were not inevitable. 202 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,520 You could say, well, it's 'cause Japan was such a belligerent 203 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,800 country, since 1937, they had been committing atrocities in 204 00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:59,880 Manchuria. All of which is true, by the 205 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:01,840 way. According to Encyclopedia 206 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:05,840 Britannica, Chinese civilians during the Second World War lost 207 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,880 about 20 million people. That's the number that 208 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,320 Britannica gives for Chinese losses. 209 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:16,560 And this was mainly as a result of the Japanese Empire with 210 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,680 Hirohito at the helm. However, the reason it wasn't 211 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,960 inevitable is cause the US at the time clearly could have 212 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,880 said, well, it's important we have a nice bulwark against the 213 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:30,440 Bolshevik regime and the communists fighting in China. 214 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:35,160 So maybe a strong Japan would be a good defensive mechanism on 215 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,920 our, you know, western half of the country. 216 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:42,760 So it none of this was inevitable when it comes to the 217 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:46,400 section on the Philippines, which is important now because 218 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:51,840 with when it comes to whether the US and China might engage in 219 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:56,280 a military battle or tensions might escalate, it's going to be 220 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,640 either over Taiwan or the Philippines. 221 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,880 So Section D, as I mentioned, send a division of long run 222 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,440 heavy cruisers to the Orient, Philippines or Singapore. 223 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:10,000 This is a restricted document from November 15th of 1941 224 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,400 titled George Marshall's Conference Today. 225 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:16,240 You can find this on George C Marshall Foundation's website. 226 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:20,200 George C Marshall was the Chief of Staff of the United States 227 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:24,480 Army at the time. This memo on their foundation 228 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,280 was written by someone present at the meeting. 229 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:30,000 It says the US is on the brink of war with the Japanese, said 230 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,400 the General Marshall. Our position is highly favorable 231 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,120 in this respect. We have access to a leak in all 232 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,160 the information they are receiving concerning our 233 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,360 military preparations, especially in the Philippines. 234 00:12:41,560 --> 00:12:45,560 In other words, we know what they know about us, and they 235 00:12:45,560 --> 00:12:48,720 don't know we know it. Under great secrecy. the US is 236 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,440 building up its strength in the Philippines to a level far 237 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:53,280 higher than the Japanese imagine. 238 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:57,000 General MacArthur is unloading ships at night, is building 239 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:00,440 airfields in the carefully guarded interior, is allowing no 240 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,760 one within miles of military reservations. 241 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:04,920 Most important point to remember is this. 242 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,840 We are preparing for an offensive war against Japan, 243 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,680 whereas the Japs believe we are preparing only to defend the 244 00:13:11,680 --> 00:13:14,400 Philippines. We are piling a large portion of 245 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,480 our new material into the Philippines, several shiploads 246 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,240 of it a week. If war with the Japanese does 247 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,520 come, we'll fight mercilessly. Flying Fortresses will be 248 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,600 dispatched immediately to set the paper cities of Japan on 249 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:28,560 fire. There won't be any hesitation 250 00:13:28,560 --> 00:13:31,880 about bombing civilians. It will be all out. 251 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,480 That is what you get when you grant one group of people a 252 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:39,480 monopoly right on violence. They have the right to tax, they 253 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,000 have no incentive to spend your money wisely, and they have 254 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,760 access to a central bank. You get endless, endless 255 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:48,480 provocations like this because they don't have the incentive to 256 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,640 actually keep the domestic population safe. 257 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,760 OK, I mean, yes, I agree. I agree with that. 258 00:13:55,760 --> 00:14:02,360 Let me go through here because there there are some things 259 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:04,880 about the plan. So this is I'm quoting from your 260 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,360 article here Keith. The plan to provoke an incident 261 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,800 Pearl Harbor was not widely known until January 2nd, 1972 in 262 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,440 the New York Times summarizes then recently released British 263 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:17,560 war cabinet papers covering the period of January 41 and July 264 00:14:17,560 --> 00:14:21,080 45. The article titled War entry 265 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:25,200 Plans laid to Roosevelt claims. So I think I'm quoting here from 266 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:28,640 the New York Times that you're quoting, Keith President. 267 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:30,240 So I'll just read a little bit of this and I'll let you 268 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:31,800 respond. President Franklin D Roosevelt 269 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:36,440 told Prime Minister Winston Churchill in August of 1941, so 270 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,880 well before Puller Harbor, that he was looking for an incident 271 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:42,480 to justify opening hostilities against Nazi Germany. dot dot 272 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,480 dot the minutes quoting Churchill indirectly said, 273 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,920 quote, he meaning Roosevelt obviously was determined that 274 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,520 they should come in if he were to put the issue of peace and 275 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:54,360 war to Congress. They would debate it for months, 276 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,760 The Cabinet minutes added. The president had said he would 277 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,840 wage war but not declare it, and that he would become more and 278 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,200 more provocative. If the Germans did not like it, 279 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,000 they could attack American forces. 280 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,880 The president's orders to these US naval escorts were to attack 281 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:13,080 any German U boat which showed itself, even if we're 200 or 300 282 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,880 miles away from the convoy. Everything was to be done to 283 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:22,680 force an incident. OK, so these are quotes from the 284 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,840 British War cabinet papers talking about this is what 285 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,080 happened when Roosevelt met with Churchill. 286 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,160 So this is not, you know, anyway that do. 287 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:33,600 You know. Does anyone dispute the 288 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:37,320 authenticity of those? OK, well one more thing. 289 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,600 The last sentence in there, the president had taken this very 290 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,600 well and made it clear that he would look for an incident which 291 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:47,200 would justify him in opening hostilities, Churchill told the 292 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,320 war cabinet, according to the minutes of the meeting. 293 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:50,200 I shouldn't have stopped quoting. 294 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:51,080 Yeah, that. Was important. 295 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:56,360 So what this is, is an admission that there was a general policy 296 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,760 of provocation a lot of people when they question this. 297 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:04,040 I will get back to the authenticity that you asked 298 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:07,000 about a lot of, but people when they ask about this, they say, 299 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,080 oh, so Pearl Harbor was basically cooked up by Roosevelt 300 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:11,760 and this was a plan he had had all along. 301 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:13,960 That is not even close to what I'm claiming. 302 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:18,360 This was a policy of provocation with the Axis powers. 303 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:23,520 And we know this because of the actions that were suggested by 304 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:27,720 General Arthur McCollum in his October 7th, 1940 memo came to 305 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:31,680 fruition by President Roosevelt's legislation, both 306 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,240 executive orders and actions by Congress. 307 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:38,640 This policy of provocation was summarized by all people. 308 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:43,440 Henry Kissinger, he wrote a book in 1994 titled Diplomacy where 309 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:47,400 he goes, I think all the way back to GOSH, past the Treaty of 310 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:49,600 Versailles. There was like a European 311 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,760 meeting in 1850 he starts with and then towards the end of the 312 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:54,720 book he mentions the Second World War. 313 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:58,320 Here is I'm quoting Kissinger. Talk about a man in a position 314 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:02,480 to know, Kissinger said. In September 1941, the United 315 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,680 States crossed the line into belligerency. 316 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,599 Roosevelt's order that the position of German submarines 317 00:17:08,599 --> 00:17:11,000 should be reported to the British Navy had made it 318 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,480 inevitable that sooner or later, some clash would occur. 319 00:17:14,839 --> 00:17:19,079 On September 4th, 1941, the American destroyer Greer was 320 00:17:19,079 --> 00:17:23,280 torpedoed while signaling the location of a German submarine 321 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,960 to British airplanes. On September 11th, without 322 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:29,320 describing the circumstances, Roosevelt denounced German 323 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:33,000 piracy, comparing German submarines to a rattlesnake coil 324 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,240 to strike. He ordered the United States 325 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:39,960 Navy to sink on site any German or Italian submarines discovered 326 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:43,840 in the previously established American Defense Area, extending 327 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:47,240 all the way to Iceland. To all practical purposes, 328 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:51,400 America was at war on the sea with the Axis powers. 329 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:54,880 Roosevelt instructed the American negotiators to demand 330 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:58,480 that Japan relinquish all of its conquests, including Manchuria. 331 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:02,440 By invoking America's previous refusal to recognize these acts, 332 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,720 Roosevelt must have known that there was no possibility that 333 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,560 Japan would accept. Roosevelt had achieved his goal 334 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:13,400 patiently and inauxiliary, educating his people one step at 335 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,520 a time about the necessities before them. 336 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:19,000 His audiences filtered his words through their own perceptions 337 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,560 and did not always understand that his ultimate destination 338 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,640 was war, though they could not have doubted that it was 339 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,920 confrontation. So again, we have more evidence 340 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:32,560 for a policy of provocation with this career incident that 341 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,000 Kessinger does a very good job in summarizing. 342 00:18:35,360 --> 00:18:37,960 It's not that he knew. Just to make sure people got 343 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,640 that Keith wasn't quoting his own article. 344 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:42,480 He was. I mean, he, it was quoting from 345 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:44,920 the quote from Kissinger. So all those words Keith just 346 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,360 read, that was what Henry Kissinger wrote in a 1994 book 347 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:50,720 talking about those incidents. So again, that that was, that 348 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,520 wasn't Keith paraphrasing. That was literally Kissinger's 349 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:54,720 words. I just want to make sure they 350 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,960 got that. Yeah, that's a direct summation 351 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,200 of or or. That is a direct quote. 352 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,520 I had to skip one or two paragraphs cause Kissinger goes 353 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,440 on a little, but yes. And you can look at my citation 354 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,760 in the article at libertarianinstitute.org. 355 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,560 So there was a well known prophecy of provocation because 356 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:16,320 America was too isolationist. Isolationist is when governments 357 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:19,360 constantly provoke wars and people don't want to have their 358 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,080 sons get their limbs blown off. That's what the isolation I 359 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:24,960 believe is officially defined as. 360 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:30,560 So when it comes to, again, foreseeable consequences, Japan, 361 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,680 or maybe you could say this was unforeseeable. 362 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:39,200 Japan basically had been colonizing Korea since 1910 and 363 00:19:39,360 --> 00:19:41,120 established a colonial rule there. 364 00:19:41,360 --> 00:19:44,960 They had invaded and more or less conquered Vietnam in 365 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:49,240 September of 1940, so they were the states in these two areas. 366 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:53,880 Once the Japanese Empire came crumbling down, the US had 367 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:57,640 inherited all its liabilities along with some assets, and they 368 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,880 got a nice surrender. And Douglas MacArthur gets his 369 00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:03,800 nice photo next to Hirohito. What America ended up having to 370 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:08,880 do was fight wars in Vietnam and Korea because there was not a 371 00:20:09,120 --> 00:20:12,520 monopoly on violence there. I'm not justifying any kind of 372 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,640 colonialism or any state in general. 373 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:18,640 I'm saying when it comes to these wars, a lot of times not 374 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,960 only are the costs extraordinarily high monetarily, 375 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,520 but the life, the cost of life and limb, the cost of the 376 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,720 trauma, the blowing up of buildings which took centuries 377 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:32,960 to erect, they also have very unforeseeable consequences. 378 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,840 I don't know if at the time people could have said, well, if 379 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,280 we take down the empire, we might inherit all its 380 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:42,240 liabilities and might be fighting proxy wars against the 381 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,480 Bolshevik empire at the at the end of this. 382 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,200 So some of this is so unforeseeable that we should 383 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,480 always have a policy of constant diplomacy. 384 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,520 Just as Nixon was able to shake hands with Mao SEI tongue, 385 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:59,080 obviously Roosevelt was able to shake hands with Joseph Stalin. 386 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,280 But even Dwight Eisenhower, who was a World War 2 general, shook 387 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,440 hands with Nikita Khrushchev in America in 1959. 388 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:09,720 Khrushchev toured the country for like 2 weeks at that time. 389 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,240 We can absolutely be friends with Xi Jinping and Vladimir 390 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,200 Putin. No need to exchange nukes. 391 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,200 OK. I agree. 392 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:24,960 Agree as well with that. So let me ask you this from 393 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:29,920 these quotes, does at this point, does any mainstream 394 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:33,920 historian deny that Roosevelt was trying to lead? 395 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,880 And he wouldn't use the term drag, maybe if he's a fan, but 396 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:40,400 lead the Americans into the war that, you know, Roosevelt knew 397 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:44,240 that it was necessary for the US to help save civilization from 398 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:48,360 the Nazi Barbarians. And unfortunately, the Americans 399 00:21:48,360 --> 00:21:54,040 were pinkishly isolationist. And so Roosevelt had to do what 400 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,600 he had to do. Does does any historian dispute 401 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:01,080 that at this point? So after I had heard Tony Fauci 402 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:05,960 finally come out and address the fact that, well, yes, I did tell 403 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,160 people they should not be wearing masks, but here's what 404 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,520 was going on, I thought we would face a mask shortage. 405 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,480 So that is what I said on 60 Minutes at the time. 406 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,880 But that was not the real science behind it. 407 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:23,200 So once I saw an actual noble lie in real time, from its 408 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:29,040 origin to its depletion, I had to just see, look at all the 409 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,680 historians, Barbara Tuchman, Niall Ferguson, the people I 410 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,240 mentioned previously, Doris Kears Goodwin. 411 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:39,120 I had to see what their position was as far as what was, was this 412 00:22:39,120 --> 00:22:42,160 New York Times document just completely fraudulent? 413 00:22:42,360 --> 00:22:45,000 Again, I have two other things that I want to go over which 414 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:49,080 make the case for provocation. The most unbelievable thing is 415 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:52,840 it's not the authenticity of the documents that is even disputed 416 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,920 by any mainstream historian that I'm able to come across. 417 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,720 Realize they have every incentive for these very big 418 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,240 things to be addressed and refuted. 419 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,720 They have a huge incentive for a lot of, but instead what they 420 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:10,880 simply do is say, unfortunately there are truths that children 421 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:14,000 cannot handle because they just don't know how to act right. 422 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,280 There are truths the average person cannot handle, so they 423 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:21,280 should be protected from them. And there are truths that even 424 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,960 the smartest people should be protected from, but they should 425 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,760 know the most amount of truth in existence. 426 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,960 This was Irvin Crystal's general philosophy that his general 427 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:34,000 world view justifying the noble lying to the masses. 428 00:23:34,360 --> 00:23:39,920 So yes, he, the historians in general will say Roosevelt 429 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:44,480 engaged in some mischievous more or less, because unfortunately 430 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:49,000 with, you know, terrible people like, oh gosh, who was the 431 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,680 pilot? Charles Lindbergh? 432 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,640 You had the America First Committee, all these idiot 433 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,960 bigots who were not very forward saying Roosevelt brilliant 434 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:02,080 enough to give us the New Deal. He also foresaw that we would 435 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,200 have to go to war with the National Socialists in Germany. 436 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,080 So he could have tried to debate, but debate doesn't 437 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,480 really get you anywhere. Unfortunately, because of 438 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,320 isolationist people like the Mises Institute and the 439 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:18,440 Libertarian Institute holding us back, we had to engage in 440 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:22,080 provocative actions that really united the masses. 441 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:27,920 Here's how we can verify that this policy was appreciated. 442 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,880 Another example, Barack Obama came out and said women earn 443 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,880 $0.77 on the the dollar for every dollar a man makes. 444 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,040 This is a perfect example of a politician. 445 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,080 He graduated from Harvard, sitting president of America. 446 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,040 He cannot believe that he's actually telling the truth, the 447 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:46,760 whole truth and nothing but the truth. 448 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,520 So help him God. We constantly see these noble 449 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:54,240 lies everywhere we go. So what we can do is look at the 450 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,920 Secretary of War's personal Diaries. 451 00:24:57,120 --> 00:25:00,520 His name is Henry Stimson, and in 1948 he published a book 452 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,640 titled On Active Service in Peace and War. 453 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,240 He has a diary entry on Pearl Harbor. 454 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,680 On the day of the incident, December 7th, 1941, Stimson 455 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,080 wrote his own word say when the news first came that Japan had 456 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,960 attacked us, my first feeling was of relief that our 457 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,200 indecision was over and that a crisis had come in a way which 458 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,440 would unite all our people. This continued to be my dominant 459 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:28,040 feeling in spite of the news of catastrophes which quickly 460 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,400 developed. For I feel that this country 461 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,520 united has practically nothing to fear, while the apathy and 462 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,160 division stirred up by unpatriotic men have been 463 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:40,000 hitherto very discouraging. This is the noble Lyme mindset. 464 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,600 Stimson summarizes it perfectly in his own book he wrote. 465 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,880 He Co wrote this with his brother. 466 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,680 I think his name is Bundy Stimson, but the book is titled 467 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,960 On Active Service in Peace and War. 468 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,920 So the reason these are generally circulated and more or 469 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,240 less allowed to be out is it's important that the people at the 470 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,760 Council on Foreign Relations are able to access a real 471 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,520 understanding of what goes on behind the scenes without the 472 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,160 media giving it too much attention. 473 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:15,240 One more thing on Stimson. So Stimson was secretary of war. 474 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,080 You know what? I forget the years, but 475 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:21,520 throughout the all Pearl Harbor provocations, there was the 1946 476 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,840 congressional investigation of the Pearl Harbor incidents 477 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,560 titled Investigation of the Pearl Harbor Attack. 478 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:33,600 Here is a quote from page 177 starting citing Stimson's diary. 479 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:38,640 On November 25th of 1941, a week or two before Pearl Harbor, he 480 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,880 says General Marshall and I went to the White House where we were 481 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:47,080 until nearly 1:30. At the meeting were Secretary of 482 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,840 State Cordell Hull, Secretary of the Navy Frank Knox, Chief of 483 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,400 Staff of the Army George C Marshall, Chief of Naval 484 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,720 Operation Harold Ramser Stark and myself. 485 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,760 The president brought up the event that we were likely to be 486 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,120 attacked perhaps as soon as next Monday, for the Japanese are 487 00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:06,120 notorious for making an attack without warning, and the 488 00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:09,320 question was what we should do. The question was how we should 489 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,600 maneuver them into the position of firing the first shot without 490 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,320 allowing too much danger to ourselves. 491 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,240 So we have means, motive and opportunity when it comes to the 492 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,560 attempt to provoke an. Incident can I stop you T this I 493 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,320 want to make sure yeah. I'm glad you read that because I 494 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,720 was going to if you didn't want to yourself that. 495 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,440 So folks, again, this that the phrasing there is not something 496 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,320 that, you know, Scott Horton's making up. 497 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,080 This is from Stimson's who was the secretary of war at the 498 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:40,040 time, his own diary entry for November 25th, 1941, right, very 499 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,560 soon before Pearl Harbor. And he it was his wording when 500 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,840 he's in his diary writing down what happened today when I was 501 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,920 listening to the president and he said the question was how we 502 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,720 should maneuver them into the position of firing the first 503 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,520 shot without allowing too much damage to ourselves. 504 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,680 So again, that's not them talking jargon and then us 505 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,080 looking on as cynics and saying, oh, so you're basically trying 506 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,120 to maneuver them into firing the first shot. 507 00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:04,440 No, that's how he described what it was. 508 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,320 Roosevelt said, this is what we're doing. 509 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,000 And so I, yeah. So I got the only way, Keith, I 510 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,120 can see someone disputing that is just say, well, that's that's 511 00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:14,600 a forgery or we have no way of knowing if that's, that's 512 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,040 legitimate. So I not only have the 1946 513 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,800 Congressional Record that is linked to in my article at 514 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,400 libertarianinstitute.org, I have Time magazine. 515 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,320 I have a book published. I want to say it was in the late 516 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:32,320 40s or early 50s on Pearl Harbor by a man named George 517 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,640 Morgenstern. He said the secret war at Pearl 518 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,760 Harbor or the secret of Pearl Harbor. 519 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,160 Other authors found this authentic. 520 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:45,200 A gentleman named John Toland in his book infamy also cites this. 521 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,400 These are widely recognized people in the position of no, of 522 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,440 having access to the accurate information using primary 523 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,800 documents, not like the he said, she said, that we get from the 524 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,400 Democrats today. I have it on good authority that 525 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,720 it was actually Putin who hacked my emails. 526 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,360 This is what Hillary Clinton said on the presidential debate 527 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:07,480 stage. Joe Biden was on the 528 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,040 presidential debate stage, said it's been confirmed that Putin 529 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,800 is putting bounties on the heads of soldiers in Afghanistan. 530 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,240 The Pentagon was asked to clarify and said that's not 531 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,440 something we have access to. And then Biden said 50 Intel 532 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,000 officials and five directors of the CIA from both parties have 533 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,560 confirmed that what he's talking about Hunter Biden's laptop is a 534 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,640 Russian plan. And to this day, we're still 535 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,960 waiting for that evidence. It's going to come out any 536 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,720 minute now. These idiots are the prisoner 537 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,480 walking down the Green mile. Just saying any second now, the 538 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,560 governor's going to call and exonerate me and Get Me Out of 539 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,680 this. It is so pathetic to watch them 540 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:48,120 keep grappling at the Russia collusion conspiracy theory, the 541 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,560 racism conspiracy theory, the gender wage gap conspiracy 542 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,360 theory. They're the conspiracy theorists 543 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,040 who should feel insecure, not us. 544 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,400 Let me ask you, I didn't see you addressed in there. 545 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,760 So if you want to, by the way, good, good answer. 546 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,240 I wasn't expecting you to have four bullet points in terms of 547 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,640 the off of this. The other was going to say, no, 548 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,200 this isn't disputed. And then I said I would have 549 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,080 just said, oh, OK. So that's great. 550 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,440 Do you know, have you done any reading on? 551 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:20,080 Yeah, my understanding is where there is dispute still is. 552 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:25,960 Some people say FDR, like they got naval intelligence, warned 553 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,160 they're heading for Pearl Harbor and that there was time and the 554 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,200 authorities could have alerted the guys at Pearl Harbor, but 555 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,920 they chose not to for the reasons we've been talking 556 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,160 about. They said no, it's better to let 557 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,960 them take the hit and then we can get into the war rather than 558 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,120 if we tip them off and they're ready for it, then there might 559 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,160 not be enough, enough of a provocation that the American 560 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,320 people will want to go to war. Do you have any insight on to 561 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,680 that question if they knew that much? 562 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:53,560 I've read quite a bit about that. 563 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,200 They're referred to as the Purple Codes. 564 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:59,600 I know John Toland finds a lot of legitimacy in them. 565 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:04,120 I don't think they present a very persuasive clear cut case. 566 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:08,520 That's why I chose these citations instead. 567 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,280 OK. So this is great. 568 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,280 And that's your following in Scott Horton's footsteps where 569 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,880 you are really trying to be careful and nuanced about what 570 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,080 you're saying. And so even if this it might not 571 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:20,680 be as much red meat for your fan base. 572 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,840 So again, just so I understand your position, Keith, you're 573 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:28,680 saying you think it's open and shut case clear cut that FDR was 574 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,240 looking to provoke Japan into firing the first shot. 575 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,800 But on the very specific question of did US higher ups 576 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,320 have advanced warning of literally the Pearl Harbor 577 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,160 attack and did they refrain from warning those guys? 578 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,840 You're saying, if I understand you, that may have happened, but 579 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,200 you haven't seen any definitive proof that you think it did 580 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,080 happen? Well, yes, I I've looked very 581 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,320 deep into this. It looks like all the sources 582 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:58,560 say the population was so ignorant at the time we we had 583 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,000 to lie to him. Just as Doris Kears Goodwin will 584 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,680 almost never address the fact that, you know, before LBJ S War 585 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,360 on Poverty, we really could have been straight with the people 586 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,240 that we've seen a drastic decrease in poverty in the last 587 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,680 100 years. If it doesn't continue to 588 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,960 decrease after the implementation of the War on 589 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,640 Poverty, well, then we're going to retract all of this. 590 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,760 They actively lie to us in so many of these cases. 591 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,280 And it's because they have this domestic imperialist mindset 592 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,720 that they're the rulers, we're the children, they're the 593 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,520 parents. They have to engage in noble 594 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,120 lying. What Roosevelt also could have 595 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,480 been incentivized by is what's generally referred to by John J 596 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:44,720 Mearsheimer as diversionary foreign policy in 1937, as you 597 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,280 write so eloquently about in the Politically Incorrect Guide to 598 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:49,520 the New Deal in Great Depression. 599 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:55,960 Roosevelt's New Deal came into effect in 1933 after Hoover had 600 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,400 increased spending by 33% and from 1933. 601 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,480 After four years of these New Deal policies, America 602 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,040 experienced a double dip recession in 1937. 603 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:10,280 The diversionary foreign policy theory generally states it's an 604 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:14,600 international relations term that identifies a war instigated 605 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:18,120 by a country's leader in order to distract its population from 606 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:22,480 its own domestic strife. This is widely recognized by 607 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:29,240 foreign policy the advocates. But people who research this in 608 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:33,440 depth, this is a common tactic where they will always divert 609 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,640 your attention. Just as Kamala Harris diverted 610 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,880 the immigration question by saying look at Trump's rallies, 611 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,960 he has small crowds and people get up and leave, this is a 612 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:48,200 large scale version of the constant attempt to change 613 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,360 people's focus on to something else. 614 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,320 Unfortunately, in this case, it costs millions of lives. 615 00:33:55,480 --> 00:34:00,640 Yeah, it's the high stakes here. Let me, I'm scrolling back up 616 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,120 here, Keith, because before you jumped into the Pearl Harbor 617 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,880 stuff, per SE, you opened up your article talking about the 618 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,040 firebombing of Tokyo, and then you said this was interesting. 619 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,880 I just want to read it for people who weren't aware of 620 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:19,199 this, that Dwight Eisenhower in his 1963 book Mandate for 621 00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:22,560 Change, says so. This is not Eisenhower what he 622 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,560 wrote in his 63 book. In 1945, Secretary War Stimson, 623 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,679 visiting my headquarters in Germany, informed me that our 624 00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:31,560 government was preparing to drop an atomic bomb on Japan. 625 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,560 I was one of those who felt there were a number of cogent 626 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,080 reasons to question the wisdom of such an act. 627 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,159 During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been 628 00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:42,440 conscious of a feeling of depression, and so I voiced to 629 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,719 him my grave misgivings. First, on the basis of my belief 630 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,920 that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was 631 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,920 completely unnecessary. And secondly, because I thought 632 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,719 that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the 633 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,120 use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer 634 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,480 mandatory is a measure to save American lives. 635 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,520 And then the last sentence here, it was my belief that Japan was 636 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,000 at that very moment seeking some way to surrender with a minimum 637 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,880 loss of face. So again, that's, you know, now 638 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,480 when we have these annual remembrances and justifications 639 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,880 for Nagasaki and Hiroshima, people should remember that 640 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,840 among the people questioning the wisdom of that move was Dwight 641 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,320 Eisenhower. So it certainly wasn't that he 642 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,040 was some pacifist, you know, liberal hippie who didn't 643 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,120 understand the threat posed by Imperial Japan. 644 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,360 What you want to thought? Any thoughts on that, Keith? 645 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,720 Well, I can't hear you. I don't know if you did 646 00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:42,080 something. How about now I'm? 647 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,520 Sorry, I can hear you now. Yeah. 648 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,520 It's not just a general. Dwight D Eisenhower, later twice 649 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,760 elected Republican president of America. 650 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,760 Again, a lot of these people with what are called dovish 651 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,440 opinions, a lot of them are Republicans. 652 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,280 So it's very new. If you look historically, the 653 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,680 Democrats got us into the First World War, Democrats got us into 654 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:07,720 the Second World War, Korea was Harry Truman, the Vietnam War 655 00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:11,600 was Lyndon Johnson. Barack Obama escalated in Syria, 656 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,400 Libya, Afghanistan, as well as a fight against the Islamic State 657 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,560 of Iraq and Syria. John Kerry supported of the war 658 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,800 in Iraq when he was running in 2004. 659 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:26,640 The point is that the hawk party that we know of as George Bush's 660 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,880 Hawk party, this is totally new. The reason it's important is 661 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,640 because Republicans today need a golden bridge to retreat across 662 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:38,440 so to speak, when it comes to having an anti war worldview. 663 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,640 So what Republicans need to be willing to say is we have tons 664 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:47,800 of historical examples of our people recognizing that the cost 665 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,280 of war is too high and the outcomes are too uncertain. 666 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,840 And 2nd you have as I mentioned earlier, Nixon meeting with Mao, 667 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,480 Eisenhower meeting with Khrushchev. 668 00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,240 Willing to be diplomatic. Also Republicans should have no 669 00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:04,880 problem saying the pro-life, pro family policy is to avoid mass 670 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:09,400 murder campaigns at almost any cost because the costs are so 671 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,320 high and the outcomes are uncertain. 672 00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:15,920 Another non hawk on this is Charles de Gaulle. 673 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:21,680 Basically September 1st of 1939 Hitler invade Stanzig, Poland. 674 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:27,040 As a response France and Britain declare War Two days later on 675 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,800 Germany. Germany invades France, installs 676 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:37,040 the Vichy government, and the guy who is running the fighters 677 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,640 opposing the new Vichy government in France is Charles 678 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,120 de Gaulle. He wrote a book in 1954, The 679 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:43,800 Complete Memoirs of Charles de Gaulle. 680 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,480 He said on August 6th and 10th the atom bombs were dropped on 681 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,800 Hiroshima and Nagasaki. As a matter of fact, the 682 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,400 Japanese had given indications before the cataclysm that they 683 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,400 were prepared to make peace negotiations, but it was 684 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,320 unconditional surrender the Americans demanded. 685 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,080 Certainly they were following the success of the experiments 686 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,760 conducted in New Mexico that they would obtain it. 687 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,320 So again, it is multiple people in high level positions who are 688 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,080 Hawks in general. Even saying this atrocity was 689 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,360 completely unnecessary and unjustifiable. 690 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,800 But as you and I just heard Mark Thornton give an excellent 691 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:26,920 speech on the importance of the threat of state force and 692 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:32,280 showing its ability to enforce any law that's on its books, 693 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,360 this sort of threat inflation that the state engages in will 694 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,920 intimidate everyone else into complying because they fear that 695 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,840 they might be victims. So even though it's unlikely you 696 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,720 will go to jail if you engage in tax avoidance or use illegal 697 00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:49,880 substances, you are so scared by what you've seen others go 698 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,040 through that you just want to blindly submit. 699 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,960 This is a much better explanation for why they killed 700 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:59,000 100,000 people in the span of two days or so. 701 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,400 As far as the actual numbers, the numbers are hard to come 702 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,520 across. Nagasaki I would say 40,000. 703 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,200 Hiroshima I would say something like 60,000 minimum. 704 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,120 Not to mention all the homes completely vanished, all the 705 00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,160 people with long term injuries, and all the devastation. 706 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:20,080 So Robert McNamara who was later Secretary of Defense, they 707 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,880 changed the term conveniently during the Vietnam War. 708 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:27,240 He was keeping statistics at the time during the Second World War 709 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,720 under Curtis Lemay. Here is the devastation the 710 00:39:29,720 --> 00:39:34,120 station, the great Social Democrat fighter of the 711 00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,640 proletariat, Franklin Roosevelt. Here's what he did to Japan, 712 00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,320 according to McNamara in his book The Fog of War. 713 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,920 It's a documentary, but it was turned into a book format. 714 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,840 Proportionality should be a guideline in war. 715 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:52,440 Killing 50% to 90% of the people in 67 Japanese cities and then 716 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,720 bombing them with two nuclear bombs is not proportional in the 717 00:39:55,720 --> 00:39:58,920 minds of some people to the objectives we were trying to 718 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,480 achieve. And the Pearl Harbor myth was of 719 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,040 course used, this hatred of the Japanese people, that hatred of 720 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,840 the Japanese race, as Pat Buchanan actually summarized it, 721 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,880 as a race war. This is used for things like 722 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:18,800 Executive Order 9066, the mass kidnapping of 120,000 Japanese 723 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,600 Americans. There were also German and 724 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,320 Italian Americans. Because the executive order did 725 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,640 not specify which demographic this was subject to, the 726 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,760 executive order basically just said the Secretary of War now 727 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,040 has the right to determine which geographical areas should be 728 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:38,480 subject to military zoning and what is a war zone and what 729 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,920 isn't a war zone. That changes, so I'm giving that 730 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,560 to the Secretary of War. So now you have a right to kill 731 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,160 these people, but they were extra generous and just 732 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,800 kidnapped them, strip them of their property and put them in 733 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,000 internment camps. You can hear stories about the 734 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:56,560 internment camps from people like George Takei by people like 735 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,760 Secretary of Transportation Norman Minetta. 736 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:03,160 In August of 1988, Reagan ended up giving an official apology 737 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:07,120 and $20,000 to all survivors. Very nice of him to give other 738 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,960 people's money to people victimized by the state instead 739 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:11,520 of making the politicians pay for it. 740 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,520 Very convenient. So the mass devastation, this is 741 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:19,440 what Americans should be proud of when it comes to, they should 742 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:20,680 not be proud of anything like this. 743 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,360 What they could be proud of is saying, since we declared our 744 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:27,040 independence, we've led the world in saying here's what's 745 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,720 moral, here's what's civilized, here's what's immoral, here's 746 00:41:29,720 --> 00:41:32,040 what's uncivilized. We're no longer going to have 747 00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,000 double standards for the state when it comes to initiating 748 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,120 violence. So this is a very unifying 749 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:38,880 message that a lot of people can get behind. 750 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,600 The leftist can say that well, paying someone a low wage is 751 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:46,200 exploitative, OK, whatever. We can argue about that a 752 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:47,800 different time. There's nothing more 753 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:52,120 exploitative and unjust to the working polar vulnerable masses 754 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,800 than having them murdered to the point of 50 to 90% of them 755 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,560 killed in 67 Japanese cities. It's not the 1% that the 756 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,560 government goes after in these wars, it's the average worker. 757 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,440 So both the left and right can come together on this anti war 758 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,760 policy. And I think that is the best 759 00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,600 thing that we could really embrace. 760 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,880 That's the most productive thing that I think the libertarian 761 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:15,720 world can give the left and right today. 762 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,600 Yeah, I definitely agree that if you're going to try to build 763 00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:23,200 bridges, that's certainly the most obvious place to start. 764 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,840 Let me just dwell a little bit longer on this question of the 765 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:31,960 unconditional surrender. So my understanding is the US 766 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,520 authorities were, you know, telling the Japanese government, 767 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,080 yeah, we need unconditional surrender because it's clearly 768 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,280 that the Japanese had lost. the US was island hopping and so 769 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,600 forth, moving towards the mainland, and the Japanese 770 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:48,600 couldn't possibly stop them. So there's no question that the 771 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,480 US is going to win. And it was just a matter of when 772 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:51,760 we're going to seize the hostilities. 773 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,120 And that they said no unconditional surrender and that 774 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,920 the Japanese resisted that because they they wanted to keep 775 00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,400 their emperor, you know, in his position. 776 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,080 And they were worried If we say unconditional surrender, what if 777 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,920 you guys, you know, dethrone him and then try to just install a 778 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,520 standard system, political system like yours? 779 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,200 And so finally, though, after Hiroshi and Nagasaki, they did 780 00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,120 give unconditional surrender. And then the US said, I think 781 00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:14,400 you can keep your stupid emperor. 782 00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:16,280 You know, that is what it was just the principle. 783 00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:19,400 So I've always just want to always. 784 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:23,880 But I have thought for a while now that the US wanted to make 785 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:28,040 darn sure they had the options. So they wanted to drop those 786 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:32,400 bombs to show Russia you see what we got Now, like you, does 787 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,360 everyone understand we're in charge now when this thing is 788 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,720 over? Because look what we can do. 789 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,640 And I that I think they needed to do it, use it in war just to 790 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,720 show how serious they were. Yeah. 791 00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:45,040 Not merely that we can do it. We will do it. 792 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,720 So you don't want to cross us or else you will look like Hiroshi 793 00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:51,320 and Nagasaki to me. That's what I thought clearly 794 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:52,920 was going on there. How do you feel about that? 795 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,960 That is probably what Robin Hanson would say. 796 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,880 Robin's general world view is people seek to increase their 797 00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:03,840 social status and access to resources. 798 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,200 They do that and then come up with rationalizations 799 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,440 afterwards. So increasing the amount of 800 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,840 power they had with regard to the new empire that they just 801 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,320 helped take half of Eastern Europe, the Bolshevik regime 802 00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,960 intimidating them is definitely a high priority. 803 00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:23,080 You would certainly think, I just want to walk through what 804 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:28,360 Truman says in his memoirs about how they chose Hiroshima and 805 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,080 Nagasaki. This book he wrote, it's titled 806 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,920 Memoirs by Harry Truman, 1945 Year of Decisions. 807 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,400 I just want to walk you through the words of the man responsible 808 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,160 for killing the most amount of people in a single day and what 809 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,840 his thought process was. It was their recommendation, 810 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,560 Henry Stimson's group of people in charge of the Manhattan 811 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,760 Project, that the bomb be used against the enemy as soon as it 812 00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,320 could be done. They recommended further that it 813 00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,440 should be used without specific warning and against a target 814 00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,320 that would clearly show its devastating strength. 815 00:44:59,720 --> 00:45:02,880 The final decision of where and when to use the bomb was up to 816 00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,280 me. The top military advisors to the 817 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:09,560 president recommended its use, and when I talked to Churchill, 818 00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,800 he unhesitatingly told me that he favored the use of the atomic 819 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,440 bomb. If it might end the war. 820 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:17,880 I wanted to drop it on a military target. 821 00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,400 I had told Stimson that the bomb should be dropped as nearly as 822 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,920 possibly upon a war production center of prime military 823 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,800 importance. 4 cities were recommended as targets, 824 00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,880 Hiroshima, Kokoru, Nagati and Nagasaki. 825 00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,960 They were listed in that order as targets for the first attack. 826 00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,840 The order of selection was in accordance with the military 827 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,440 importance of the cities, but allowance would be given for 828 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,120 weather conditions at the time of the bombing. 829 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:48,200 He then cites a letter from the acting Chief of Staff to General 830 00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,760 Carl Spatz where he says the observing planes will stay 831 00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:55,560 several miles distant from the point of impact of the bomb. 832 00:45:55,960 --> 00:46:00,360 So they know they're killing miles of people and they have to 833 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:04,240 be that far away so they themselves don't get caught in 834 00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:08,760 the explosion. So Truman's official policy is 835 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,880 we tried to find the closest thing we could find to a 836 00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,120 military target. He goes on to say it was 837 00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:19,160 actually Stimson's idea to keep Hirohito on the throne. 838 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,960 Stimson said. Look, if we just take down 839 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:28,320 Hirohito and install either an American guy or someone from 840 00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:33,000 Japan who's Japanese, who has high social status there, we're 841 00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,320 going to be seen as just, you know, imperialists. 842 00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,080 And the people are not going to accept the rule, even if we've 843 00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,320 scared the hell out of them with these bombs. 844 00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,160 So what we need is someone who already has authority. 845 00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:48,200 So it was better for them to have Hirohito not surrender the 846 00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,840 throne and say, you're still calling the shots. 847 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,240 People still answer to you, but you answer to us. 848 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:59,040 That was basically the the rationale that I'm able to come 849 00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:03,880 across as far as why those places were chosen specifically. 850 00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,720 Again, you also had very disproportionate amount of 851 00:47:07,720 --> 00:47:11,680 Catholics and Christians in these areas, which could be an 852 00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:15,760 indicator that the state sees religion and families as the 853 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,640 biggest competitors to the state's complete monopoly on 854 00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,160 authority to be what Hans Hopper would call the ultimate arbiter 855 00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:24,880 and decision maker within a geographical. 856 00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:29,880 So maybe they targeted them for those reasons, but according to 857 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,840 Truman, it was because of the military reasons. 858 00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:34,800 Let. Me just make sure because I 859 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:39,160 didn't understand you were saying Japanese Catholics were 860 00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:40,880 most highly concentrated in those areas. 861 00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,280 Is that is that what you're saying or did I misunderstand 862 00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:44,680 you? There was a disproportionate 863 00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,760 amount of Japanese Catholics and Christians in the areas of 864 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:52,240 Hiroshima and Nagasaki. That is 1 alternative that has 865 00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:56,000 been put forth by people who are skeptical as to whether or not 866 00:47:56,720 --> 00:47:59,760 these were just military targets, as Truman says. 867 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,840 So one possible explanation is the state seeking to be the 868 00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:08,360 monopolist on authority constantly fears of church in 869 00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,960 Waco, TX. Let alone a very big 870 00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,920 geographical area where people have an allegiance to another 871 00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:19,280 deity. OK, yeah. 872 00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:23,520 And unfortunately, I'm just not well versed enough in military 873 00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:30,080 history to be able to say whether Truman's discussion 874 00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:34,200 there was. You know, I guess what I'm 875 00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,400 saying is I wonder if there were other places that would have 876 00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:41,920 been as important militarily to the Japanese defense effort at 877 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,240 this point. But they wouldn't have involved 878 00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:46,680 melting a whole city. And so therefore, they thought, 879 00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,640 well, no, that's not really going to allow us to flex as 880 00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,280 much. We got to pick a place because 881 00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,080 even in the quote you read there, they said something like 882 00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,920 it needed to demonstrate the devastation of which we were 883 00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:56,640 capable at this point, something like that. 884 00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,200 Well, and they wouldn't have picked cities. 885 00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,960 They would have said, we're going to keep an eye on the 886 00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,040 we're going to use our satellites and our planes to 887 00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:05,720 find out where the most soldiers are. 888 00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:10,400 And then we're going to strike that area as soon as possible. 889 00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,080 So we're going to send planes to fly over, tell us where the 890 00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:15,520 soldiers are most heavily concentrated, and then we'll 891 00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,080 pick. Or they could have used the 892 00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,120 prime minister's palace. If it's all about, you know, 893 00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,240 just focusing on getting the bad guys. 894 00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:26,160 You have very different aims. And there are certainly 895 00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,160 alternatives. So I think it's unlikely. 896 00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,680 The point is, is that that is Truman's official position. 897 00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:35,480 So I just thought that was generally productive. 898 00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:40,320 One more thing we have to mention the fact that, well, the 899 00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,800 the damn Japs attacked Pearl Harbor. 900 00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,240 So they had it coming. First of all, I'm curious to 901 00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:50,600 know what Ben Shapiro and Dennis Prager, what percentage of 902 00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:55,520 Japanese people were part of Yamamoto's plan, His secret plan 903 00:49:55,520 --> 00:50:00,080 to attack Pearl Harbor in 1941? I'd be shocked if it was as high 904 00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:04,600 as .01% of Japanese people were were in on this. 905 00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,000 Second of all, in general, can I hold Americans accountable for 906 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,560 what democratically elected Joe Biden or Donald Trump does? 907 00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:13,520 I think that's absolutely ridiculous. 908 00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:19,000 Second, when it comes to the Japanese atrocities committed in 909 00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:23,920 China, it's worth noting in the US War Department's 1944 910 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:28,440 Handbook on Japanese military forces, it says in peacetime all 911 00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:33,080 male Japanese subjects between 17 and 40 are subject to service 912 00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,480 in the armed forces. It goes on to say this is the 913 00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,520 military conscription policy in Japan. 914 00:50:39,720 --> 00:50:45,360 So these were a bunch of slaves who even the most egregious 915 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,800 villains, you can say, well, it's about getting. 916 00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,160 I really hope they kill a lot of the soldiers. 917 00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:54,040 Maybe the civilians are bad. Even the soldiers are performing 918 00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:58,360 forced labor against their will. And I I'm very glad that people 919 00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,520 are against forced cotton picking, that forcing someone to 920 00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,600 pick cotton is totally immoral, but forcing them to get their 921 00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:09,280 limbs blown off to get killed. Mr. Zelensky, Mr. Putin, Mr. 922 00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,080 Netanyahu is doing this today, and these people are widely 923 00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,400 celebrated. This is a far more brutal form 924 00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:19,680 of forced labor, as Tom de Lorenzo said in his recent Mesa 925 00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:23,640 Institute publication. He said military conscription is 926 00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,440 far worse than slavery for a lot of people. 927 00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,600 Basically anyone who gets killed during military conscription is 928 00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,720 worse off. Of course, there's some soldiers 929 00:51:31,720 --> 00:51:35,200 who get good pensions and everything, but the common 930 00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:38,600 response I get by people like Schenkjuger, Sam Cedars, well, 931 00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,720 the soldiers were paid as if slavery was a problem of 932 00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:43,960 compensation. Frederick Douglass in his 933 00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,680 autobiography, said every week the slaves would come and get 934 00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,400 their weekly allowance. They were given food, shelter, 935 00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,800 clothing, water, healthcare because it was in the slave 936 00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,880 owners self-interest to make sure he had healthy slaves 937 00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:58,560 working. It has nothing to do with 938 00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:00,760 compensation. It has everything to do with the 939 00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,440 violation of the self ownership principle and the non aggression 940 00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,800 principle. So we're talking about worst 941 00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:10,520 case scenario, a bunch of slaves being punished for what a few 942 00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,280 psychopathic politicians were engaged in. 943 00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:17,160 This is nothing America should be proud of, but there are a lot 944 00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,280 of things we should be proud of. The Wright brothers built the 945 00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,720 first airplane here. Henry Ford increased access to 946 00:52:23,720 --> 00:52:27,600 automobiles in America. Empire State Building was built 947 00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:32,880 in one year and 45 days, setting a record for such a structure at 948 00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:34,840 the time. Vanderbilt, a lowering 949 00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,040 steamship, cost from 7 dollars to six cents. 950 00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:41,280 With his excellent innovations, there's so much we can be proud 951 00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,440 of. The Second World War is nothing 952 00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:47,200 that we should be proud of. Unfortunately in economics it 953 00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,080 would be Irving Fisher and I'm not proud of him so. 954 00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,400 Mostly. Candle, I guess Frank Federer. 955 00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:55,560 We could. We could like him. 956 00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,120 Where was wasn't Rothbard born in New York City? 957 00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,400 Oh, I but I was thinking back in the day, yeah. 958 00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:05,320 Oh, back in the day. Well, Jonathan Newman, Patrick 959 00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,720 Newman, Bob Murphy. I'm proud of all those American 960 00:53:07,720 --> 00:53:10,160 economists. That's future. 961 00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,080 Generations, we'll look back. Perhaps. 962 00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,680 They'll be like, yeah, those guys made the Matrix movies and 963 00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:16,800 some good Austrian. Economics. 964 00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,200 Actually are were the matrix guys American or are they 965 00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,560 Canadian? Oh, I thought, I thought you 966 00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,760 were joking that the Newmans look like the brothers in the 967 00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:29,480 Matrix. Film. 968 00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:33,080 Yes, that is what I was saying. Oh no. 969 00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,560 Oh, I was just trying to think of the best cultural. 970 00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:39,280 Yeah, I was just trying to think of the best thing that the US 971 00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:40,880 has produced. And I was thinking the Matrix 972 00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:45,160 movies, at least the 1st 2:00. Well, no one likes this, but I 973 00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:48,560 think My Chemical Romance is an excellent band and Dave 974 00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:52,720 Matthews, while born in South Africa, immigrated here to give 975 00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:54,360 the world the Dave Matthews Band. 976 00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:58,240 So tons of Taylor Swift is very talented. 977 00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,840 If you've seen the Eras Tour, she is definitely something we 978 00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:03,920 should be proud of. She just needs to embrace the 979 00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,560 division of Labor and shut the hell up when it comes to the 980 00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,080 gender wage gap and supporting Kamala Harris. 981 00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:10,920 Other than that, she does great stuff. 982 00:54:11,720 --> 00:54:15,680 Shake it off, Keith. So yeah, this. 983 00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:18,760 Oh, I lost. I was going to ask you a great 984 00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,360 finale question here and I lost it for a second. 985 00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,800 OK well, what do you think is. Oh, I know what I was going to 986 00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,200 say is with Japan also you. I think you alluded to it 987 00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,080 quickly because you contrast it and say us with our democracy. 988 00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:34,640 But yeah, it's not merely as most governments do and 989 00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:37,040 conscript. There's armed forces. 990 00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,960 But to say, yeah, but the people responsible for setting it up. 991 00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:43,960 But the the democratic system, you know, the parliamentary 992 00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:47,040 system that we think of is what a what a democracy is was until 993 00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,640 1947 and before there that you had some stuff. 994 00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:53,960 But there was clearly like militarist rule for a while 995 00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,080 before World War 2 officially began. 996 00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:00,640 So again, it's, it's a weird ethical system by which you can 997 00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:09,000 say some baby that is living in Tokyo or Hiroshima or Dresden 998 00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:14,600 for that matter, is responsible for what grown-ups did earlier. 999 00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,080 Like what, you know, it's a, it's a weird thing where we just 1000 00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,840 kind of, well, you know, they should have, I guess they should 1001 00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,080 have picked better parents or something to be born to. 1002 00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,480 There's basically a division on this. 1003 00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,800 There are bin Ladenites and then there are libertarians. 1004 00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:33,760 The libertarians say that people should be held accountable for 1005 00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:37,080 actions they engage in. It's wrong to initiate violence 1006 00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,640 or threats thereof against non aggressors. 1007 00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:44,280 The bin Ladenite camp basically said in I want to say this was a 1008 00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,760 96. All of his collections of essays 1009 00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:51,400 are in a book titled Jihad. Bin Laden's Speeches, Interviews 1010 00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:55,400 and Declarations from king fought in 1995 to his last 1011 00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,920 interview with, uh, Pakistani media. 1012 00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:02,720 Bin Laden says yes, uh, the military, the members of the US 1013 00:56:02,720 --> 00:56:06,800 military are fair game to target thereafter all occupying the 1014 00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:10,320 land of Mecca and Medina. So they did that in want to say 1015 00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:15,280 Tanzania, Kenya and the USS Colon, uh, Yemen. 1016 00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:19,560 But also the American taxpayers. They brag about having such a 1017 00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:23,200 democracy where they themselves are the ones calling the shots. 1018 00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,760 Credit to the 9/11 memorial in New York City, which I was just 1019 00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:28,920 at. They use this quote where it's 1020 00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:33,360 the American taxpayers and their soldiers who are our targets 1021 00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:37,160 because he sees them as all Co conspirators in this. 1022 00:56:37,240 --> 00:56:40,760 That was at the memorial that. Was at the Memorial I. 1023 00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,600 That's interesting. I hope you take a picture of 1024 00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:44,280 that. Yeah. 1025 00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,600 I'm I'm going to look through. I'm pleasantly surprised because 1026 00:56:47,720 --> 00:56:50,480 you would think that might be a little too much raw. 1027 00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,240 Like don't let people think see how this guy was thinking 1028 00:56:53,240 --> 00:56:55,520 because they might start, you know, saying, huh, I guess I see 1029 00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,160 where he's coming from giving his perspective. 1030 00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:01,080 I was so shocked at how good the 9/11 memorial is. 1031 00:57:01,720 --> 00:57:06,720 It's propaganda for the 1st 80%. And I go please, please just 1032 00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:09,040 give me something. They cite the Phoenix memo, 1033 00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:13,360 which was a guy in Arizona who contacted the FBI saying we have 1034 00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:17,120 reason to believe this would have been in August of 2001, 1035 00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,240 where he said bin Laden is recruiting guys to fly planes 1036 00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,880 into buildings. This was popularized when 1037 00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:26,320 Condoleezza Rice was talking to Congress, saying no one could 1038 00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,960 have imagined someone would use planes and fly them into 1039 00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,040 buildings. So even that was in there. 1040 00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:35,480 They cite the fact that Ramsey Youssef's primary gripe with 1041 00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:39,200 America this was the 1993 bomber at the World Trade Center, that 1042 00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:42,680 his primary gripe was US support for Israel and its atrocities 1043 00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:47,120 against Palestinians in Gaza, the West Bank, as well as 1044 00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,080 Lebanon. They mentioned that Mohammed 1045 00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:53,800 Atta in 1996 basically pledged his allegiance to Bin Laden 1046 00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:58,280 after America, who was supporting Israel after Israel's 1047 00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,280 Grapes of Wrath operation into southern Lebanon. 1048 00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:05,520 That was in 1996. So the 9/11 memorial was 1049 00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:07,880 shocking. Go see it while it's still up, 1050 00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:13,880 because someone in there is in actually knows what what's going 1051 00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:15,120 on. Well, good. 1052 00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,560 Good for them. So again, just to make sure 1053 00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:23,400 people caught that transition that Keith was saying for those 1054 00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,600 red blooded American, you know, Sean Hannity fans who anytime 1055 00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,600 someone says Jesus, I think it might arguably be a war crime 1056 00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:33,520 what we did in Hiroshima and Nagasaki to say, well, they 1057 00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,440 attacked us on Pearl Harbor. So I mean, sorry, but your 1058 00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,840 civilians are fair games for it's collateral damage. 1059 00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:41,640 We're not intentionally killing civilians. 1060 00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:45,040 They would argue. But all, all's fair once you 1061 00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:48,120 know that it's their fault that they they attacked us 1st. 1062 00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:51,520 And so if you're going to argue like that, then OK, then if you 1063 00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:54,920 can see why bin Laden would think he was justified in 1064 00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,800 shooting at, you know, setting up car bombs or whatever, 1065 00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:03,000 hitting U.S. forces on holy Muslim land, Well, then by the 1066 00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:07,320 same token, why wouldn't he be allowed to do something to US 1067 00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:11,320 civilians that arguably would hamper our war making ability? 1068 00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,880 And that's that's that is how he was framing it. 1069 00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:16,000 He wasn't just doing it because, Oh well, I'm mad the Americans 1070 00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:17,680 let me at least kill some of them so I'll feel better. 1071 00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:22,840 No, he had strategic reasons that arguably succeeded that he 1072 00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,480 wanted to provoke the Americans into overextending themselves 1073 00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:29,560 and getting bogged out and, you know, hollowing themselves out 1074 00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:33,000 from within, which looks like he may have been right about. 1075 00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:37,080 Which is exactly what's a big new Burzynski said could be a 1076 00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:41,400 good idea to Jimmy Carter. This would have been in July and 1077 00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:44,600 December of 1979. He wrote memos to Carter saying 1078 00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:48,640 this is our chance to give the Soviets their Vietnam to bleed 1079 00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:52,640 them dry, provoking the Soviet Union into over expansion in 1080 00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:54,880 Afghanistan leaving their empire dry. 1081 00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:58,560 Just as the Habsburg Empire of Austria Hungary thought we can 1082 00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:01,320 take on tiny Serbia. What what's going to happen? 1083 01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:05,440 We have the backing of Kaiser Wilhelm that led to 1.1 million 1084 01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,840 dead citizens in the Austro Hungarian Empire and the 1085 01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:12,440 collapse of their empire. There's another reason Mr. Pro 1086 01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,120 America Republicans should be anti war. 1087 01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:17,360 It can even take down your own empire. 1088 01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:20,400 I hope Jake Sullivan and Anthony Blanken are listening to this. 1089 01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:22,240 I would be shocked if they're not. 1090 01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:27,200 We have to stop at this point. Keith, thank you as always for 1091 01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:30,120 all of your hard work. So I'll link folks to Keith's 1092 01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:32,360 specific article here. But Keith, in general, where 1093 01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:34,880 would you point people to if they want to learn more of your 1094 01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,960 perspective? People can check out Libertarian 1095 01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,680 institute.org. They can either buy a copy or 1096 01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,800 get a free PDF of the Voluntarist Handbook. 50 essays 1097 01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:48,760 I read that turn me from being a progressive sort of conservative 1098 01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:52,680 into being a voluntarist, and also my book Domestic 1099 01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:55,560 Imperialism, 9 Reasons I Left Progressivism. 1100 01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:57,800 Bob Murphy, thank you so much for having me on. 1101 01:00:58,120 --> 01:00:59,920 Sure thing, Keith. And it was great seeing you 1102 01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:03,280 recently in person, folks. It was great seeing you 1103 01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:10,440 virtually, and we'll see you next time as well. 1104 01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:13,320 You've just experienced another episode of The Bob Murphy Show, 1105 01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:17,360 the podcast promoting free markets, free minds, and 1106 01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:20,480 grateful souls. 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