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Welcome to Keith's night. 
Don't tread on anyone in the 

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libertarian Institute today. 
I'm joined by read Cooley to 

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discuss for a new Liberty by 
Murray and rothbard. 

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We're going to focus on the end 
where rothbard discusses a 

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strategy for Liberty. 
Mr. Cooley is a policy fellow 

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with the independent Institute 
and former vice president of 

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communications at Young 
Americans, for Liberty formerly 

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students of Ron, Paul. 
Mr. Cooley. 

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Thank you so much for your time 
today. 

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Thank you. 
You thanks for having me when it

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comes to this section. 
There are five mini sections 

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within it. 
Let's start with part. 

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One is titled education, Theory 
and movement. 

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Rothbard asks, how can we 
achieve Victory, social change 

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resting as it does on 
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And conviction can be an art 
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He more or less explains 
education is the persuasion and 

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Version of large numbers of 
people to the cause. 

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What do you think about this as 
a strategy and what are some of 

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the ideas you have towards 
achieving this end? 

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Well, the adjective Timeless is 
a word that gets thrown around 

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to describe a great many things 
that the quite frankly don't 

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deserve it. 
But let's put the entirety of 

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the book for a new Liberty and 
to perspective chronologically 

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here for just a little bit. 
You know, this was published in 

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1973, making it you're just 
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that, you know, everything that 
rothbard describes not just in 

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this this final part part 3 of 
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part 2 as well, I think that it 
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described as a somewhat 
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I can tell you that just a 
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I was reading for a new Liberty 
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I really felt like like rothbard
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through time if you know what I 
mean, like he was speaking to 

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issues. 
Shoes. 

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That are so incredibly relevant 
today, right? 

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So like you look at part one 
where he talks about near the 

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libertarian Heritage. 
He gives a really good and 

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concise breakdown of our 
philosophical tradition, going 

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all the way back, you know 
through Classical liberalism, 

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right? 
All the way back to the 

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levellers during the English 
Civil War part 2, libertarian 

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applications to current 
problems, you know, he's talking

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about issues in the year 1973 
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Pretty, you know immediately 
recognizable as obsolete or 

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something like that, right? 
Because I mean the world has 

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changed a good bit since 1973, 
but the vast majority of even 

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that content is is is material 
that that deserves a great deal 

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of reflection today in the year 
2022, but in part 3, a strategy 

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for Liberty, you just, you know,
you get the feeling that 

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rothbard you really is writing 
from his soul, right? 

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And I guess that goes for the 
entirety of the book, but You're

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getting just pure unfettered 
rothbard throughout the entirety

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of the book and then so, you 
know, like he blows your mind in

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part 1 with, you know, just just
giving a really beautiful 

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synopsis of the libertarian 
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tradition across time. 
He then takes it and he applies 

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it to the real world. 
And he says, look, here's the 

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Here's the, the new libertarian 
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That issue that issue then part 
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together? 
What were the nice pretty 

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rothbard Ian bow? 
And he says, like, here's how 

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you actually take that, and you 
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Here's how we as he put it, 
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the sort of new libertarianism, 
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enshrined throughout this book. 
So I mean, I really felt like 

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rothbard was speaking to me, not
just me. 

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Obviously. 
We just see he was, he was 

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speaking in a way that it 
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half a A century later I can 
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with different institutions 
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I have, you know, I have really 
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describing is exactly the kind 
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to be needed. 
I mean, you know, he's imparting

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a little tiny, little fraction 
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but it seems to me that as 
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it's never been acted upon. 
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Liberty Movement goes forward, 
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covid tyranny and every horrible
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now just as a sort of microcosm 
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really exciting prospect to be 
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this strategy for Liberty that 
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long time ago and apply that to 
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operating in today. 
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currently, as a policy fellow 
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independent Institute, what were
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or one-liners? 
Or elevator pitches that you saw

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were really effective with 
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And at least planting the seed, 
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admit, they were wrong for 30 
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then say, where do I donate? 
But as far as, Planting sheets. 

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Go well with this educational 
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talks about in in a strategy for
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Well, a lot of people get to 
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something as beautiful as an S, 
something as rich, and as 

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extensive. 
And as complex as the rothbard E

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and tradition, right? 
And you you break it down into a

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bullet point or a slogan or a 
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That you're diluting, it that 
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But let's think about that 
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Did the phrase taxation is theft
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movement or did it strengthen 
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completely and totally new 
audiences and make it memorable 

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you to people who had never 
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maybe didn't didn't understand 
the difference between the word 

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libertarian and librarian until 
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some me. 
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their Twitter page, or their 
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get kind of curious. 
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what rothbard prescribes here 
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through our Theory and through 
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We have to understand it. 
We're never going to shove the 

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entire cheeseburger down 
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that's something we can get to a
little bit later with one of the

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subsequent subsections of part 
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crumbs that is not to say that 
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radical, you do not do that. 
You never ever weaken the 

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message, right? 
But you do take that one part of

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that radical message that, that,
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poignant. 
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And you, you create a trail of 
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So to speak, leading to that to 
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Cheeseburger at the very end of 
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I will say that, you know, my 
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Liberty. 
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Is sort of a spearheading the 
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marketing efforts, really 
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Communications and marketing at 
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Today is something that I 
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about three years. 
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who could help me act on some of
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marketing, you know, you have to
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you would be surprised at the 
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pushback that you can face, even
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be within our own Camp, right? 
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some real concrete examples of 
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So that I'm not speaking in such
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started experimenting when I was
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with with retro wave marketing, 
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We would actually. 
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trends that were happening, 
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of World of politics. 
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little bit about Edward Bernays,
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Pretty much. 
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relations and everything 
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ultimately as a result of many 
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Propaganda obviously has a very 
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just because of its history, 
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But I think that we all know 
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there. 
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explain why Why. 
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recommended that people who were
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Market specific political ideals
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outside of politics because 
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political movements in 
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corporations or Fortune, 500 
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they really pale in comparison 
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ability to actually Market and 
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popularize. 
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Hence, the term propaganda. 
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trends outside of the world of 
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Specifically, what sorts of 
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We're becoming very trendy, you 
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people were digesting the movies
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kinds of social media content 
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they thought was was was you 
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that it was intriguing or 
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understood. 
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Well for some reason in the 
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fashionable to utilize like 80s 
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marketing, right? 
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that to our advantage, and 
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With the graphics that we were 
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even like the marketing for the 
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that, great kind of stuff. 
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marketing, the ideas, 
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what at what is working outside 
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the overwhelming majority of 
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innovation in the world of 
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That's happening very, very 
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politics. 
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really just catching up on the 
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the private sector are are 
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right? 
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like you're going back and 
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That was a really really good 
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reach out a little bit more and 
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outside of politics. 
But in addition to that, I spent

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a lot of time studying studying 
George Orwell because George 

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Orwell. 
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mean, it's no surprise that he 
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the English language his essay 
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World War Two in which he 
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So many of the mistakes that are
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and exactly how communication 
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So successfully, you know, 
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avoid whenever you're 
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I think that You know, it is 
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marketing. 
The ideas of Liberty is kind of 

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a new frontier. 
I believe. 

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I believe that but marketing 
political ideas is not right. 

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I mean propaganda is not a new 
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It's not a new discipline and we
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understand what what our enemies
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Right? 
How we can learn from that, so 

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that we can properly. 
We wage war against the state 

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and I were enemies in the state 
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So yeah, you know, I love the 
idea of looking at successful 

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marketing operations outside of 
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So if I'm trying to think of a 
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that I like the Larry, David one
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I loved but just the general 
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sitting around smiling laughing 
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Each other and then drinking 
Michelob Ultra, so it's not like

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they show you. 
The, can they list the costs and

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benefits of drinking it. 
They list how much it is that 

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they're not going off the facts 
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Just associating your brain. 
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you want a desire friendship, 
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and their Associated that with 
Michelob Ultra, so maybe we just

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need someone to walk around to 
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Because and Catch people smiling
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the state or something as as, as
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to tell you, I had so much fun. 
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reluctantly to the one in 
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much about the lp. 
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meeting before and we had an 
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So, yeah, that is definitely one
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Every go we can copy. 
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Where they're at. 
Hans, Harbour wrote. 

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A article. 
The libertarian quest for Grant 

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historical narrative, and he 
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commandments. 
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two Christians on the planet 
Catholics Christians, and he 

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takes the 10 commandments and 
says anyone who takes this 

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seriously has to come down with 
the libertarian concept of Thou 

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shalt not steal, Thou shalt not 
murder. 

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These are private property, 
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Concepts that really only the 
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philosophy that has a state, 
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one. 
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murder in practice. 
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violate the vow shall not steal 
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So, I love meeting people where 
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progressive. 
I just support the equality 

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among people to engage in all 
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consenting adults at that. 
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I just spent ten years. 
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legitimate because it's a 
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consenting adults. 
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That it's not like that converts
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bit of insecurity about arguing 
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arguing. 
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voluntary cooperation. 
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Well, I'm a little less 
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Bernie rally, but I'm not quite 
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Excellent. 
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before we get into the second 
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Is there a meme that you are 
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I mean for a post or comment. 
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Probably all of them, had to be 
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just have to say that everything
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team. 
That's what, my time. 

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There was a team effort. 
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completely comfortable just 
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That was done in saying, that's 
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right? 
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person, you know, to really make
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You just said that, I think we 
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acknowledge here. 
Send that I would come and we 

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impart to the people who are 
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don't communicate information, 
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That's a common. 
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when it comes to propaganda. 
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Which Idol. 
I obviously, don't mean in any 

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nefarious term. 
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as a Libertarian propagandist? 
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least in my experience a little 
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what it is, you're doing, right.
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creating like libertarian 
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Call it that for for fun 
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communicating information. 
You're communicating emotion. 

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That was a very common sort of 
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I would give and I would ask. 
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convey? 
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evoke in the viewer with this 
particular me more this video or

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this press release that you're 
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Is it happiness like in the case
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whatever Michelob? 
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minute ago. 
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perhaps optimism or is it anger?
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resentment, maybe you're trying 
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something horrible that the 
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that may be, right? 
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emotion that you want to convey 
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to tell, right? 
Maybe. 

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Maybe that's a very good 
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creating a piece of of content 
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people and bring them in Mass 
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There is a section and I know 
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rothbard says those the 
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Stresses as a requirement for 
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A decay in the will of the 
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The elite may lose its 
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military superiority, or its 
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It may become estranged from the
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financial. 
Crisis, it may be incompetent or

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weak or brutal. 
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ones the CEO was unhappy with 
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someone who laughs at your jokes
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Laughs at a question. 
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when you have something like 
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delegitimizing, the elite in 
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well, people have to understand 
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It's like, don't you think it's 
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The second in charge, you know, 
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of course, she's not calling any
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president. 
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That's how the average person 
someone that high up is a moron.

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I just wish that she'd say, I 
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I'm going to talk to my experts 
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answer for you in 48 hours. 
Follow me on Twitter if she said

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that I would be blown away at 
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Amount of humility, but of 
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and no intellect. 
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that, it's not just funny 
blowing off steam. 

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You're actually delegitimizing. 
These people in a way that can 

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communicate with the common man.
So when the moron does not 

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appreciate that, it just shocks 
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So I thought so much of the work
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I didn't know that I wasn't 
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I heard you on my Peak Winona's 
to show, but I'd always follow 

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the gal account and loved it. 
So, yeah, great, great stuff 

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there. 
Any ideas on the decaying will 

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of the ruling Elite on the 
decaying will of the Rolling 

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Elite. 
Well, well, that was, that was a

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long excerpts that you gave 
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But I think that I could make a 
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about that. 
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shared about Kamala Harris here.
And that is that we should never

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underestimate the power of 
ridicule. 

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Right? 
Yeah, because because ridicule 

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at the it was I think I believe 
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about this in rules radicals. 
Never, ever underestimate the 

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power that ridicule can have on 
your opponent, right? 

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So that you can Play the swords 
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believe the passage you pointed 
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there. 
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So, you know, I'm a firm 
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ridicule. 
I don't think that mocking 

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people who are committing mass 
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I'm just, I'm just being honest.
I think that if they're 

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committing, if they're, if 
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which in my opinion, is probably
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can do to it that you can do to 
another human being. 

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Or if they're extending 
forgiveness, to people who have 

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drones tricking people, then why
is mocking them and ridiculing 

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them and belittle and belittling
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It absolutely shouldn't be 
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And so, we didn't talk about 
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emotions that we would want to 
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whether their happiness, or 
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but comedy. 
I mean, comedy can be an 

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incredibly powerful. 
Tool for freedom of speech. 

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Look at that. 
There's one human being who 

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right now might actually be 
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Liberty than anybody else in 
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And he happens to be a stand-up 
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know we're talking about. 
I'm talking about Joe Rogan, 

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right? 
A person who's obviously used 

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comedy and just this massive 
platform, but comedy can be such

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an incredibly powerful tool. 
It should never ever be 

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underestimated. 
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What What can be done by mocking
ridiculing, belittling, whatever

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it may be. 
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looking at the sort of Arsenal 
of propaganda that we can have 

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at our disposal. 
Right? 

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The different kinds of are the 
different kinds of weapons that 

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we can keep on our hip. 
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the state. 
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comedy is one dead that we might
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we initially think. 
There was a Libertarian 

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comedian. 
That was just here in Chandler 

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and he goes, you know, Joe 
Biden's a really good guy. 

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You know, I mean, he's more or 
less provoking a war with Russia

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nuclear power and we might have 
to risk, you know, send them 

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guys over there them dying. 
Getting PTSD getting their limbs

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blown off, but that's the 
sacrifice. 

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Joe is willing to make and he 
and I didn't say it as well as 

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he did, but the punch line is so
nice. 

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He's willing to risk, everyone 
else's safety knowing that 

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Hunter Biden is going to be 
fine. 

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Jill Biden's gonna be. 
And it was just so funny because

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it was it wasn't even a 
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This was just a random, like 
everyone gets five minutes on 

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the stage kind of thing. 
I went up to him and shook his 

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hand and, and we had a good talk
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like, isn't that hilarious that 
he could just bring that up and 

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the room? 
It killed absolutely killed. 

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Granted. 
It was like 18. 

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Am and a lot of people were 
drunk at the time. 

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The point is, is that with just 
like a 30-second introduction 

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into the mind of what it's 
probably like to be a politician

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of, you know, they're spending 
other people's resources and 

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don't face accountability. 
You know that you advocating for

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more war or more welfare has 
nothing to do with compassion. 

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It lacks compassion because 
you're advocating theft and 

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murder that is just, so powerful
took me Decades of reading to 

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learn what this guy, you know, 
told 8:30, second jokes, while 

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of the comedy aspect of things, 
one final thing in the first 

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part of a strategy for Liberty. 
He says a flourishing movement 

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with a sense of community and 
espirit de corps is the best 

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antidote for giving up Liberty 
as hopeless or an impractical. 

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Cause what do you think? 
Are some of the best ways that 

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people in the Liberty Movement 
can find a sense of community? 

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Well, I think that this goes 
back to this two-part, 

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definition, that rothbard gave 
of Education, right? 

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So he talks about education. 
He defines it in sort of your 

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chest as having two components 
of one is theory and the other 

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is movement, right? 
I want to break this down a 

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little bit because this is going
to get to another point that I 

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think it's going to really 
address, you know, the heart of 

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your question, but I got to give
a little bit of backstory for 

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your audience first. 
So he says that that you have to

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have Theory and In order to have
a proper efforts to educate the 

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public, right? 
So, the theory, I think that's 

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pretty self-explanatory. 
You have to have a, you have a 

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movement with a deep and, and 
reliable understanding of what 

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this new libertarianism is about
of what of what the rothbart. 

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Ian philosophy is about, right? 
And, but, without Theory, 

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without that strong, 
understanding of the philosophy 

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and what makes us different, and
you might have a lot of Outreach

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you. 
Might have some really 

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successful engagement efforts, 
if I have some really great 

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memes, you know, you might have 
you might even have some really 

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successful fundraising efforts 
that allow you to host large 

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events or spearhead these strong
student activism campaigns or 

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you might even capture a lot of 
media along the way for yourself

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or for an organization or 
whatever else. 

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But do you even know what you're
promoting? 

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If you have no Theory, but you 
have a lot of movement or you 

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have a tenuous grasp on the 
theory, but a lot of movement. 

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In this case, I think it can be 
Illustrated as it's like having 

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a movement that's 1,000 miles 
wide. 

456
00:26:42,300 --> 00:26:46,900
But only an inch deep, right? 
We contrast this with, with 

457
00:26:46,900 --> 00:26:50,900
this, this scenario, in which we
have a movement with a lot of 

458
00:26:50,900 --> 00:26:54,900
theory, but no movement, right? 
So, you can have a group of 

459
00:26:54,900 --> 00:26:58,200
people with the deepest 
understanding, as to the 

460
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,100
philosophy of libertarianism 
bright. 

461
00:27:01,100 --> 00:27:04,100
You can have people who are all.
Let's say you have. 

462
00:27:04,100 --> 00:27:07,100
You have 100 people In your 
group or let's say, 50 people in

463
00:27:07,100 --> 00:27:11,100
your group and they're all phds 
and various things from Austrian

464
00:27:11,100 --> 00:27:15,100
economics to Sociology to 
history, to whatever it may be, 

465
00:27:15,100 --> 00:27:17,200
right? 
Yeah, you can have that. 

466
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,500
But if you don't have movement, 
if you don't have those people 

467
00:27:20,500 --> 00:27:25,000
or people around them who are 
true, Grassroots operatives 

468
00:27:25,300 --> 00:27:28,900
engaging, the media engaging 
communities engage in college 

469
00:27:28,900 --> 00:27:32,700
campuses because rothbard does 
make mention of student activism

470
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,600
in this in this chapter as well.
Then you're Going to have, 

471
00:27:37,100 --> 00:27:38,500
you're just gonna have an echo 
chamber. 

472
00:27:38,500 --> 00:27:42,200
In this case, to contrast this 
from the, from the previous 

473
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,200
scenario. 
You have a movement. 

474
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,600
That is a thousand miles deep 
yet. 

475
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,600
Only one inch wide right? 
Neither. 

476
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,900
One of these are really are 
really ideal. 

477
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,700
So in order to have a movement 
that is sufficiently deep and 

478
00:27:56,700 --> 00:28:00,900
sufficiently wide, you have to 
have both Theory and movement 

479
00:28:00,900 --> 00:28:05,500
simultaneously or as rothbart 
himself, puts it Theory and it 

480
00:28:05,500 --> 00:28:08,600
become both sterile and futile 
without each other. 

481
00:28:08,900 --> 00:28:11,300
But this the think this 
addresses, the heart of your 

482
00:28:11,300 --> 00:28:13,900
question and I had to give a 
little bit of background before 

483
00:28:13,900 --> 00:28:17,600
I could jump into. 
It rothbart also emphasizes the 

484
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,500
importance of continual, 
self-education, right? 

485
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,900
You have to keep the ranks 
healthy as far as their 

486
00:28:25,900 --> 00:28:29,700
understanding of the philosophy 
so that they can be always ready

487
00:28:29,700 --> 00:28:32,900
to advance the movement and 
whatever way may be necessary. 

488
00:28:32,900 --> 00:28:37,400
So you have to literally Foster 
a culture You have to cultivate 

489
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,400
an understanding of the 
philosophy of Liberty within our

490
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,500
very own ranks because if they 
don't have that they're an 

491
00:28:44,500 --> 00:28:48,000
absolutely no position to 
educate anyone else on it. 

492
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,000
Obviously, you have to 
understand something before. 

493
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,100
You can educate someone on it. 
Go figure. 

494
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,700
So you have to, you have to 
cultivate that you have to build

495
00:28:56,700 --> 00:29:01,000
a culture of people who want to 
know more about Liberty, Who 

496
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:07,300
challenged one another's, ideas 
on the philosophy of Bertie and 

497
00:29:07,300 --> 00:29:11,100
aren't afraid to engage in a 
little bit of a Socratic wisdom.

498
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,100
That is to say some humility and
acknowledge maybe parts of the 

499
00:29:15,100 --> 00:29:16,900
philosophy. 
They don't yet understand and 

500
00:29:16,900 --> 00:29:20,000
you have to have a culture of 
people who trust each other 

501
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,900
enough to do that. 
So you just you have to invest 

502
00:29:23,900 --> 00:29:28,800
in each other's grasp on the 
philosophy of Liberty and a way 

503
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:33,400
that is done in good faith and 
with a very sober understanding 

504
00:29:33,700 --> 00:29:36,900
as to as to Seriousness of the 
movement. 

505
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,800
Next section in the a strategy 
for Liberty portion. 

506
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:47,600
He says, are we utopians? 
He says we therefore should not 

507
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:52,700
frighten people off by being too
radical are rather. 

508
00:29:52,700 --> 00:29:55,300
He's saying that this is a 
common objection of the 

509
00:29:55,300 --> 00:29:59,200
gradualist saying we should not 
frighten people by coming off as

510
00:29:59,300 --> 00:30:02,400
too radical. 
He says in the field of 

511
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,500
strategic thinking, it behooves 
Libertarians to heed the lessons

512
00:30:05,500 --> 00:30:08,900
of marxist because they have 
been thinking about Strategy for

513
00:30:08,900 --> 00:30:12,000
radical social change longer 
than any other group. 

514
00:30:12,700 --> 00:30:14,800
Now, this is so vitally 
important. 

515
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:19,900
I mean Marx writes, the 
manifesto in 1848 and today 29 

516
00:30:19,900 --> 00:30:25,200
percent of college students are 
identifying with Marxist 

517
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:29,300
ideologies, 17% percent of 
professors in the social 

518
00:30:29,300 --> 00:30:33,200
scientists identify explicitly 
as Marxist. 

519
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,300
It's been tried and multiple 
continents on the planet. 

520
00:30:36,300 --> 00:30:39,300
So he's totally right here. 
Thus the Marxist. 

521
00:30:39,300 --> 00:30:43,200
He's to critically important 
strategic fallacies that deviate

522
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:44,500
from the proper path. 
One. 

523
00:30:44,500 --> 00:30:48,700
They call left-wing sectarianism
the other and opposing deviation

524
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:53,200
right wing opportunism. 
He says that the major problem 

525
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,000
with the opportunist is that by 
confining themselves, strictly 

526
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,500
to gradual and practical 
programs programs, that stand a 

527
00:31:00,500 --> 00:31:02,100
good chance of immediate 
adoption. 

528
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,800
They were in grave danger of 
completely losing sight of the 

529
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,000
ultimate objective. 
He goes on to quote. 

530
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,700
One of the great attractions of 
socialism has always been the 

531
00:31:12,700 --> 00:31:17,900
continuing stress on its ideal 
goal and idea that permeates 

532
00:31:18,100 --> 00:31:22,500
informs and guides the actions 
of all those striving to attain 

533
00:31:22,500 --> 00:31:24,700
it. 
I guess you pretty much answered

534
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,200
all of that in your previous 
answer. 

535
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,200
Okay, here's one final thing. 
He says, Hayek's reason for 

536
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:35,100
stressing the ultimate goal, the
excitement and enthusiasm, that 

537
00:31:35,100 --> 00:31:38,900
a logically consistent system 
can inspire Look at the left 

538
00:31:38,900 --> 00:31:41,700
today. 
Medicare-for-all Unapologetic 

539
00:31:41,700 --> 00:31:44,400
things, my body, my choice. 
We're here. 

540
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,800
We're queer. 
Get used to it, education's or 

541
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,800
right? 
Racism is inherently bad. 

542
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,000
These are all blanket 
Unapologetic statements that 

543
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:58,700
have given them so much power 
and influence any concept or any

544
00:31:58,700 --> 00:32:02,600
comment on the. 
We are you are we utopian 

545
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,100
section? 
Oh, you just did a fantastic job

546
00:32:06,100 --> 00:32:08,100
of summarizing it and if I may 
say so myself. 

547
00:32:08,300 --> 00:32:10,100
If you ever thought about giving
a class on this. 

548
00:32:10,100 --> 00:32:17,000
Keith, yes, that would be nice. 
Maybe Tom Woods school for Life.

549
00:32:17,100 --> 00:32:20,700
What will hire me? 
This is my application. 

550
00:32:21,300 --> 00:32:24,100
Well, I still think there's a 
lot of commentary to be had on 

551
00:32:24,100 --> 00:32:28,400
this nonetheless. 
So I think that he's right to 

552
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,500
point to the marxists. 
First off. 

553
00:32:30,500 --> 00:32:34,000
I think that that's something 
that most reasonable people 

554
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,000
listening to this podcast would 
agree with if they don't, then 

555
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,500
I'm happy to hear them out. 
But does anyone questioned the 

556
00:32:40,500 --> 00:32:44,900
success of the Marxist over the 
last century and a half of 

557
00:32:44,900 --> 00:32:49,600
propagating their ideology to 
the absolute fullest extent? 

558
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,100
If they don't? 
Then I would love to hear their 

559
00:32:52,100 --> 00:32:57,400
argument as to how but he talks 
about, he talks about, you know,

560
00:32:57,408 --> 00:33:03,200
the the people who want to 
delude the ideas by engaging and

561
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,300
the sort of right-wing 
opportunism. 

562
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,000
I believe if is how he refers to
it here, right? 

563
00:33:08,300 --> 00:33:12,100
And he has a quote that it 
stands out to me in particular 

564
00:33:12,100 --> 00:33:16,400
and that is he who advocates for
a 2% tax reduction helps to bury

565
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,200
the goal of abolishing taxes 
altogether, right? 

566
00:33:19,500 --> 00:33:23,600
That this sort of Fabian 
approach as rothbard describes, 

567
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,300
it throughout this section of 
the book. 

568
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:32,000
It's not just a, it's not just 
destructive, you know, to the 

569
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,200
end goals, right? 
To the ultimate objective of 

570
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,900
Liberty, which is to abolish the
state completely. 

571
00:33:38,100 --> 00:33:43,400
Right. 
It's also it leads to mass 

572
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,500
numbers of defection. 
Right? 

573
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,800
Because who wants to stick 
around at a movement, dedicated 

574
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,600
to cutting taxes 2%, Like how 
many people are going to be 

575
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:58,100
genuinely excited about the 
these Theses 1, mm or 2. 

576
00:33:58,100 --> 00:33:59,500
Mm wins. 
Right? 

577
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,100
Who like who is excited about 
mediocre, right? 

578
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:07,800
Who is excited about the idea of
being a part of the center, 

579
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,600
right? 
Is this is just as the very 

580
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,900
brilliant, jeopardized always 
says, nothing. 

581
00:34:12,900 --> 00:34:14,400
Interesting happens in the 
center. 

582
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,500
Everything, interesting, always 
happens at the peripheries. 

583
00:34:17,500 --> 00:34:19,600
That always happens at the 
margins, right? 

584
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,199
So rothbard talks about this, 
but 49 years ago. 

585
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,900
He talks about, you know, 
whenever the movement is 

586
00:34:26,900 --> 00:34:33,000
moderate, or milk toast or or it
engages in various trade-offs, 

587
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,699
for opportunistic reasons, or 
maybe because it wants to be a 

588
00:34:37,699 --> 00:34:40,400
more Medic sort of movement, 
right? 

589
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,800
It you cannot possibly maintain 
the ranks that way. 

590
00:34:46,100 --> 00:34:50,400
You can't possibly you might you
might recruit a lot of people, 

591
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,199
sure. 
But you're never going to ever 

592
00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:57,300
retain those people, right? 
So, I think that rothbart is 

593
00:34:57,300 --> 00:35:01,600
talking about something that we 
can point to with a couple of 

594
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,000
with a couple of of 
organizations in particular, you

595
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,200
know, there's the Cato 
Institute, for example. 

596
00:35:08,300 --> 00:35:11,600
They're widely pointed to as an 
organization that when underwent

597
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,800
a very serious shift over the 
last decade. 

598
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,300
And a lot of people like to 
point out that they've also lost

599
00:35:18,300 --> 00:35:20,800
their influence, that their 
Twitter page. 

600
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,800
There's nothing even close to 
what it should be to what it 

601
00:35:23,808 --> 00:35:25,600
should be getting, for example, 
right? 

602
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:31,500
It's just whenever you allow 
yourself or your organization to

603
00:35:31,500 --> 00:35:35,900
be absorbed into this greater 
Beltway libertarianism or you 

604
00:35:35,900 --> 00:35:40,400
allow it to be compromised. 
As we see, is the case with a 

605
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,400
lot of libertarian, 
organizations. 

606
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,000
I'm afraid, you know, you lose 
what? 

607
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,400
Makes Liberty and exciting 
prospect in the first place, 

608
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:53,100
right? 
And to to the average, worker in

609
00:35:53,100 --> 00:35:56,600
the industrial amidst, the 
Industrial Revolution, whether 

610
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,000
they were an impoverished 
worker, you know, working in the

611
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,200
factories of Great Britain or 
whether they were here in the 

612
00:36:03,207 --> 00:36:07,800
United States, right? 
The prospect of of a class war, 

613
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,100
right? 
At the prospect of overthrowing 

614
00:36:10,100 --> 00:36:13,400
the, the bourgeoisie was a very 
exciting one to the people at 

615
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,400
the time. 
It was a very exciting 

616
00:36:16,700 --> 00:36:19,700
narrative, you know, something 
that people would want to be a 

617
00:36:19,700 --> 00:36:22,500
part of. 
So we have to find a way to 

618
00:36:22,500 --> 00:36:27,500
properly craft the story of of 
everyday people, having long 

619
00:36:27,500 --> 00:36:31,100
been victimized by the state and
its many apparatus. 

620
00:36:31,100 --> 00:36:34,700
I finally getting sick of it and
casting off the Yoke of State 

621
00:36:34,700 --> 00:36:36,500
tyranny, right? 
We have to find a way to tell 

622
00:36:36,500 --> 00:36:40,000
that story in. 
In a very compelling sort of 

623
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,400
way. 
And I don't think that's quite 

624
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:46,200
as difficult as we might make it
out to be right, but I think 

625
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,900
that we're gonna have to find a 
way to properly. 

626
00:36:48,900 --> 00:36:53,000
Tell that story in a way that 
makes the very people were 

627
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:57,500
trying to reach want to be a 
part of the movement that we're 

628
00:36:57,500 --> 00:36:58,800
advancing. 
Right? 

629
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:03,400
And you can't who wants to be a 
part of a boring story, right? 

630
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,100
Who want. 
I mean, like, I mean, have you 

631
00:37:05,100 --> 00:37:06,600
ever like had to sit through a 
real? 

632
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,800
I think of the most boring book?
Book that you had to read in 

633
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,200
school. 
Okay, whether you were in 

634
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,200
private school or whether you 
were in one of these government 

635
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,100
indoctrination camps, that we 
comfortably call public school 

636
00:37:20,100 --> 00:37:23,000
that we you from eyes as our 
Public Schools, right? 

637
00:37:23,300 --> 00:37:26,200
Think about the most boring 
piece of literature that your 

638
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:31,300
teacher made, you read. 
And, and and, and and then try 

639
00:37:31,300 --> 00:37:33,700
and think about, okay, what did 
what if the libertarian 

640
00:37:33,700 --> 00:37:37,900
philosophy was was just as 
boring to people as that book, 

641
00:37:37,900 --> 00:37:41,300
right? 
What it be a philosophy that you

642
00:37:41,300 --> 00:37:45,500
would want to be responsible at 
least in part for helping 

643
00:37:45,500 --> 00:37:48,400
promote. 
Probably not, right. 

644
00:37:48,500 --> 00:37:50,900
Nobody wants to be a part of a 
boring story. 

645
00:37:51,300 --> 00:37:54,200
So we have to make sure that the
story that were telling right 

646
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,600
which is not a fictional story. 
It's a very real story with very

647
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,600
real implications for very real 
people is one that is exciting 

648
00:38:01,900 --> 00:38:06,300
and compelling and invites 
people to be a part of it. 

649
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,600
I love that you used the word 
story. 

650
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,900
That makes me think of how 
narratives or prevailing 

651
00:38:12,900 --> 00:38:16,100
interpretations of past events 
are really would grab people's 

652
00:38:16,100 --> 00:38:18,200
attention. 
Because you should hear the way 

653
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,100
people tell me the story of 
well, you know, there was 

654
00:38:21,100 --> 00:38:24,500
deregulation by glass-steagall. 
And then what happened was the 

655
00:38:24,500 --> 00:38:29,900
financial crisis, not realizing 
that the major companies that 

656
00:38:29,900 --> 00:38:32,300
failed had nothing to do with 
the glass-steagall, repeal, 

657
00:38:32,300 --> 00:38:35,000
like, AIG and Lehman Brothers. 
Another words. 

658
00:38:35,100 --> 00:38:39,200
This is so, obviously not Close 
to being true, but people feel 

659
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,800
so comfortable. 
Aligning themselves with that 

660
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,200
story. 
Well, we had child labor, then 

661
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:45,600
child labor laws. 
Now. 

662
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,700
We don't have child labor. 
Well, they work for free in 

663
00:38:48,700 --> 00:38:51,300
government schools, which is 
worse than getting on-the-job 

664
00:38:51,300 --> 00:38:54,400
experience. 
But even that kids had worked 

665
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,600
since the beginning of time yet 
because of that story because of

666
00:38:57,607 --> 00:39:01,500
that narrative, they pin child 
labor on the voluntary sector 

667
00:39:01,700 --> 00:39:03,900
since even though kids have been
working on farms. 

668
00:39:04,100 --> 00:39:07,000
Since you know, let's call it 
the days of Adam and Eve sinned.

669
00:39:07,100 --> 00:39:12,200
Whenever so, look at how stories
are really where people get 

670
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,100
their information from, it's not
statistics or anything. 

671
00:39:15,100 --> 00:39:16,800
So thank you for using the word 
story. 

672
00:39:17,100 --> 00:39:21,700
I love rothbard shot at the 
Buckley's of the world and Page.

673
00:39:21,700 --> 00:39:24,500
381. 
It is the conservative, lazy 

674
00:39:24,500 --> 00:39:28,000
fairest, the main who puts all 
the guns and all the decision 

675
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,000
making power into the hands of 
the central government. 

676
00:39:31,100 --> 00:39:35,400
And then says, limit yourself. 
It is, he who is truly the 

677
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,900
Impractical utopian? 
It seemed out of place. 

678
00:39:38,900 --> 00:39:42,000
So I go that has to be a shot at
the National Review Guys or 

679
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,800
something. 
But so okay. 

680
00:39:44,900 --> 00:39:48,100
So very often we talk about. 
Well, should we support Rand 

681
00:39:48,100 --> 00:39:48,800
Paul? 
Thomas? 

682
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,100
Massie, these people, they're so
good. 

683
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,900
I mean, when it comes to like 
something, like, should we have 

684
00:39:53,900 --> 00:39:57,100
a no-fly zone over Syria? 
And Rand, Paul is the only one 

685
00:39:57,100 --> 00:39:58,700
talking sense. 
Yes. 

686
00:39:58,700 --> 00:40:01,000
We should support Rand, Paul and
Tulsi gabbard. 

687
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,600
So, how do we know when we 
should support people? 

688
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,300
Who don't totally agree with us.
He says, Then can we know 

689
00:40:08,500 --> 00:40:11,200
whether any halfway measure, or 
transitional demand should be 

690
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,400
hailed as a step forward or 
condemned as an opportunistic 

691
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,800
betrayal. 
There are two vitally important 

692
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,700
criteria for answering this 
crucial question, one that 

693
00:40:20,700 --> 00:40:24,900
whatever the transitional 
demands, the ultimate end of 

694
00:40:24,900 --> 00:40:28,100
Liberty. 
Be always held Aloft as the 

695
00:40:28,100 --> 00:40:31,600
desired goal. 
And to know, steps are means 

696
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,900
ever explicitly or implicitly, 
contradict the ultimate goal, 

697
00:40:36,500 --> 00:40:38,500
any ideas. 
Has on how we can know whether 

698
00:40:38,500 --> 00:40:41,400
or not we're selling out when we
try to make friends with 

699
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,300
conservatives progressives, men,
artists, Etc. 

700
00:40:46,500 --> 00:40:52,500
I think that this is probably 
where part 2 becomes a little 

701
00:40:52,500 --> 00:40:56,200
bit more useful right as we're 
trying to, so to speak, separate

702
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:01,500
the wheat from the chaff, right?
I'm you so understanding whether

703
00:41:01,500 --> 00:41:08,500
or not the end goal of a policy 
is ultimately is to achieve a 

704
00:41:08,500 --> 00:41:09,600
liberty. 
Right? 

705
00:41:10,100 --> 00:41:12,400
Well, I think that we can 
understand that there are 

706
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,700
certain policies that are that 
cannot be. 

707
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,200
Certified in any sort of 
libertarian, since meaning, that

708
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,300
there is no way a person can go 
through enough mental gymnastics

709
00:41:23,500 --> 00:41:26,000
to convince themselves or any 
other person. 

710
00:41:26,300 --> 00:41:29,400
That said policy as something 
that can possibly produce 

711
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,800
Liberty, and our lifetime. 
Some examples. 

712
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:38,400
If a person supports drone 
strikes or engaging in war, with

713
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,800
a foreign power, over some 
Alliance or over some Speck of 

714
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,000
land. 
However, significant or 

715
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:50,800
insignificant Don't, you know, 
it's impossible to say that 

716
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,800
that, that the dead. 
That such such an idea can 

717
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:59,800
advance Liberty in any way. 
You cannot have Liberty without 

718
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,900
life, right? 
And war is the health of the 

719
00:42:03,900 --> 00:42:08,900
state. 
So if a person supports War, for

720
00:42:08,900 --> 00:42:12,500
example, right? 
For any, any reason other than 

721
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:17,900
self-defense, okay, then it just
Seems there is no way you can 

722
00:42:17,900 --> 00:42:22,100
justify that in any sort of 
libertarian sort of sense. 

723
00:42:22,100 --> 00:42:25,700
And that's one example, the 
Federal Reserve is another 

724
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,800
bright. 
So and I'll be frank. 

725
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,700
The reason why I completely 
disavow The Chicago School and 

726
00:42:32,700 --> 00:42:36,300
the monetarists is because their
goal is not to end the Federal 

727
00:42:36,300 --> 00:42:38,400
Reserve, right? 
They want to keep the Federal 

728
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,700
Reserve around but in a more 
limited and crippled form with, 

729
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,800
you know, they want they want to
keep a lower they want. 

730
00:42:45,900 --> 00:42:50,000
Lower interest rates, but their 
goal is ultimately not to end 

731
00:42:50,300 --> 00:42:52,300
this. 
This Central Bank that we have 

732
00:42:52,300 --> 00:42:55,200
here in the United States, 
founded in the very dark year of

733
00:42:55,200 --> 00:43:01,600
1913 that that has doomed us to 
lifetimes of financial slavery. 

734
00:43:01,700 --> 00:43:04,400
Right, that has absolutely 
corrupted. 

735
00:43:04,500 --> 00:43:07,500
Did the social Fabric and the 
culture of the United States. 

736
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,500
This is why I say that the 
Austrian School Is the only 

737
00:43:12,500 --> 00:43:17,100
valid and logically consistent 
method of actually applying the 

738
00:43:17,100 --> 00:43:19,500
principles of Liberty to 
economics. 

739
00:43:19,500 --> 00:43:22,200
Right? 
So, if the goal is not to 

740
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:27,500
completely eliminate War. 
So, you know, to bring the world

741
00:43:27,500 --> 00:43:32,600
to, to a condition where war is,
is a, is a virtual impossibility

742
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:38,500
or to completely eliminate 
Central Banking completely. 

743
00:43:38,500 --> 00:43:42,000
Then then we can say, there is 
no place for Them inside of our 

744
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,600
movement. 
There just isn't right. 

745
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:50,200
So there are there are certain 
issue areas that maybe we have 

746
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:54,600
to identify issue-by-issue right
where we can say. 

747
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,700
Okay. 
Well the end goal of this cannot

748
00:43:56,700 --> 00:43:59,500
possibly produce Liberty and 
that is clearly not the 

749
00:43:59,500 --> 00:44:01,700
objective of the people 
espousing. 

750
00:44:01,700 --> 00:44:05,500
This particular policy is best 
that we keep them out of our 

751
00:44:05,500 --> 00:44:09,600
ranks. 
And the good thing is we have as

752
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,600
far as your point on the Federal
Reserve. 

753
00:44:11,700 --> 00:44:15,500
Ted Cruz came out yesterday and 
he was talking about how 

754
00:44:15,500 --> 00:44:18,800
important Bitcoin is as an 
option for people to use and he 

755
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,800
says, Elizabeth Warren hates it 
because they can't control it. 

756
00:44:22,100 --> 00:44:26,800
When it comes to your foreign 
policy Point, Trump brags about 

757
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,200
how he was the first president 
and however long to not start 

758
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,100
any new Wars. 
So we do have a lot of people 

759
00:44:33,300 --> 00:44:36,500
that, we, it's not just that. 
Well, this is us. 

760
00:44:36,700 --> 00:44:39,300
People can either love us or 
leave us that people are 

761
00:44:39,300 --> 00:44:42,400
constantly coming over. 
Did have you heard Walter block 

762
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,100
say that he asked rothbard in 
1963? 

763
00:44:45,100 --> 00:44:49,800
How many Libertarians they were 
and rothbard girls, um, probably

764
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:57,900
15 and then that was in 1964. 
So so that's discouraging as 

765
00:44:57,900 --> 00:45:01,800
things are I mean people are 
seeing through the nonsense of 

766
00:45:02,100 --> 00:45:05,900
of statism. 
Rothbard goes on next section is

767
00:45:05,900 --> 00:45:07,000
education. 
Enough. 

768
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,800
Our hope is to convert the mass 
of people who are being 

769
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:15,300
victimized by state power. 
Not those who are gaining by it 

770
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:23,500
any comment on that? 
Well, yes, it's I guess it's 

771
00:45:23,500 --> 00:45:25,300
difficult to think about, you 
know, where to begin with it 

772
00:45:25,300 --> 00:45:28,300
because there are so many to so 
many different directions in 

773
00:45:28,300 --> 00:45:29,800
which we can take it. 
Right. 

774
00:45:30,900 --> 00:45:34,300
We have to make sure that people
understand and this is actually 

775
00:45:34,300 --> 00:45:36,200
going to bring us back to the 
very beginning of our 

776
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:37,600
conversation. 
Nation where we were talking 

777
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,100
about meeting people where 
they're at right? 

778
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,300
Where we were talking about 
reaching people through comedy 

779
00:45:43,300 --> 00:45:47,800
or through happiness or through 
angst and resentment whatever 

780
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,400
different you method that we 
have. 

781
00:45:50,100 --> 00:45:56,000
We have to make it clear to 
people exactly what it is. 

782
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,400
Exactly how it is that their 
lives are affected every single 

783
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:00,200
day. 
There's a term. 

784
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,500
I like to throw around which is 
bread and butter issues, right? 

785
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:08,000
I don't see anything wrong with 
With, with advancing, the ideas 

786
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,100
of Liberty and doing so, through
bread-and-butter issues that 

787
00:46:11,100 --> 00:46:14,700
people care about and during 
the, during the era of covid. 

788
00:46:14,700 --> 00:46:16,900
Tyranny. 
When people are seeing that the 

789
00:46:16,900 --> 00:46:19,900
state now, has the power to lock
them in their homes or force 

790
00:46:19,900 --> 00:46:24,600
them to get a vaccine or take 
their jobs away or whatever it 

791
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:25,700
whatever. 
Other horrible thing. 

792
00:46:25,700 --> 00:46:29,600
It may be right. 
I think that that we absolutely 

793
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:34,500
should be talking about exactly 
how this affects Everyday 

794
00:46:34,500 --> 00:46:36,600
People, right? 
And this brings us to the 

795
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,000
Foreign policy point I have 
observed in this is this is 

796
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,700
purely anecdotal, by the way, 
but I have observed that it is 

797
00:46:43,700 --> 00:46:48,900
difficult to to Really convince 
people that you know that what 

798
00:46:48,900 --> 00:46:51,600
the what happened in December or
what looked like it was going to

799
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,300
happen in December and January 
with the whole Russia and 

800
00:46:54,300 --> 00:46:57,700
Ukraine business that it has 
direct implications for them. 

801
00:46:57,700 --> 00:47:00,500
That this is a very very bad 
thing for our Republic that they

802
00:47:00,500 --> 00:47:05,200
should really care about. 
And here's how you have to the 

803
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:09,200
challenge is on us. 
To take Z the sort of an 

804
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:13,700
esoteric issues that happen 
amongst the political Elite and 

805
00:47:13,700 --> 00:47:17,000
communicate them to the people. 
We are trying to educate to the 

806
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,500
people that were trying to 
convert in ways that explain to 

807
00:47:20,500 --> 00:47:25,600
them that Here are the 
implications for you. 

808
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:29,600
Here is how it affects you. 
That's you know, those taxes 

809
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,700
that come out of your paycheck. 
Right? 

810
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,700
We have to we have to connect 
the dots between that and the 

811
00:47:35,700 --> 00:47:38,500
war or that and inflation. 
Right? 

812
00:47:38,700 --> 00:47:42,100
I mean it does seem like like 
inflation is at the top. 

813
00:47:42,100 --> 00:47:44,900
It's at the highest point in the
news cycle that I've ever seen 

814
00:47:44,900 --> 00:47:48,700
it in my lifetime in my 28 years
on this Earth. 

815
00:47:48,700 --> 00:47:52,200
I mean, Enzo it is becoming more
and more clear. 

816
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:57,000
In a very sort of organic way. 
What kind of implications the 

817
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,600
state's actions have on everyday
people? 

818
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:04,900
But we do have to use good bread
and butter issues to communicate

819
00:48:04,900 --> 00:48:08,700
to people the kinds of emotions 
that we wish to communicate, 

820
00:48:08,700 --> 00:48:10,800
right? 
So I don't see any problem. 

821
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:17,400
Even in a strategic perspective.
We with forging temporary like 

822
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,900
one issue coalition's right 
based based on single issues. 

823
00:48:20,900 --> 00:48:22,500
I don't necessarily see a 
problem. 

824
00:48:22,700 --> 00:48:24,300
I'm with that, right? 
If there's something that the 

825
00:48:24,308 --> 00:48:27,700
conservatives or progressives 
are really upset about and it 

826
00:48:27,700 --> 00:48:29,800
happens to align with us. 
Right. 

827
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:33,800
Let's employ, the Horton rule. 
Let's, let's criticize the right

828
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,900
from the right that's criticized
the left from the left. 

829
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,000
Let's build those single-issue 
coalition's. 

830
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,800
There's nothing wrong with that.
That's not a mortal sin. 

831
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:43,400
Right? 
That's, that's this thing. 

832
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,700
That we like to call politics, 
right? 

833
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:49,600
That's just how it works. 
So, focusing on bread and butter

834
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,500
issues actually communicating to
people. 

835
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:59,500
All how their daily lives are 
impacted by the state, you know,

836
00:48:59,500 --> 00:49:02,100
there's nothing wrong with any 
of this and we have to 

837
00:49:02,100 --> 00:49:06,200
understand it there in under the
control of the American 

838
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:10,400
super-state, right? 
If you exist, you inside of 

839
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:14,100
these 50 states, There Is No 
Escape From the impact of the 

840
00:49:14,100 --> 00:49:16,700
state. 
You can be the most reclusive 

841
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:21,600
and withdrawn person within the 
boundaries of this country, and 

842
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:26,100
you still will not Escape, you 
know, the influence and the 

843
00:49:26,107 --> 00:49:29,200
grasp of the super-state, right?
That we live under. 

844
00:49:30,100 --> 00:49:34,300
So I think that we just we have 
to make people understand. 

845
00:49:34,300 --> 00:49:38,200
No, there's no Force other than 
perhaps gravity that impacts 

846
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,200
your life more than government. 
Right? 

847
00:49:40,700 --> 00:49:44,200
And it's going to have serious 
implications on you whether you 

848
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:49,500
like it or not. 
We'll look at all of the cries 

849
00:49:49,500 --> 00:49:54,200
about how if there's anything 
that needs to be done to get 

850
00:49:54,900 --> 00:49:56,900
food stamps. 
Like, filling out papers. 

851
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,800
Katie. 
Gosh, I forget her name. 

852
00:49:59,900 --> 00:50:03,300
Could Congress woman was holding
up, six pages and says, look at 

853
00:50:03,300 --> 00:50:05,300
all these things. 
People have to fill out for food

854
00:50:05,300 --> 00:50:06,800
stamps. 
This is ridiculous. 

855
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,200
People don't have time for this.
People are starving. 

856
00:50:10,500 --> 00:50:13,400
Look. 
I tried running a business seven

857
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:17,200
or eight years ago. 
I would have killed. 46 pages of

858
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,800
Regulation and things that I 
need to fill out. 

859
00:50:19,900 --> 00:50:23,500
Do you know how many people are 
stopped from achieving their 

860
00:50:23,500 --> 00:50:26,100
ends? 
Whether it's food stamps, or 

861
00:50:26,300 --> 00:50:29,600
which need to be pushed to the 
voluntary sector, but how much 

862
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:33,000
Innovation is stopped? 
Because of a lot more than six 

863
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,400
pages of Regulation. 
Half the states in America have 

864
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:40,600
certificate of need laws where 
hospitals can't be built unless 

865
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,600
they get the permission from 
competing hospitals to get 

866
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,600
built. 
You think that restrict Supply 

867
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:47,600
at all. 
Do you think the Restriction of 

868
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,900
supply has any effect on the 
price? 

869
00:50:50,100 --> 00:50:53,200
Whether there's one hospital or 
50,000 you think that has a 

870
00:50:53,207 --> 00:50:56,600
difference on what the price is 
occupational. 

871
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,500
Licensing? 
Of course, and these monopolies 

872
00:50:59,500 --> 00:51:01,900
standards. 
We're always told that the free 

873
00:51:01,900 --> 00:51:06,100
market might produce monopolies 
and they explicitly Advocate 

874
00:51:06,100 --> 00:51:08,000
monopolies. 
When it comes to standards. 

875
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:11,700
Just give me competing standards
with voluntary agencies. 

876
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,500
So the reason I'm so pissed, I 
had to renew my health plan the 

877
00:51:15,500 --> 00:51:17,800
other day. 
Pissed off about it non-stop, 

878
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,800
because I know that the price of
cars, cell, phones, microphones,

879
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,200
computers close, all these, 
things come down because of the 

880
00:51:25,700 --> 00:51:29,200
because of aspects of the 
voluntary sector competition and

881
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,300
freedom to disassociate. 
And when I see the cost of 

882
00:51:32,300 --> 00:51:34,400
Health Care, I mean it's killing
people. 

883
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,100
It is just, it's just terrible. 
So we need to take the 

884
00:51:38,100 --> 00:51:40,400
healthcare Banner away from the 
Bernese of the world because 

885
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,200
he's the one making it more 
expensive. 

886
00:51:43,300 --> 00:51:48,200
So rothbard lists a few groups. 
He says, Which groups should we 

887
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,500
be looking at campus youth? 
He says, one of them, they'll be

888
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:55,600
interested in abolition of the 
draft ending, the Cold War, 

889
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:59,000
civil liberties drugs and 
victimless crimes. 

890
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,500
He says Middle America, he 
mentions taxation inflation 

891
00:52:02,700 --> 00:52:07,900
crime, welfare scandals, police 
monopolizing, you know, stopping

892
00:52:07,900 --> 00:52:11,300
crime is a terrible way to 
approach crime that exists, 

893
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,700
small businessman, their 
individual talents and energies 

894
00:52:14,900 --> 00:52:18,500
can at last Full room to expand 
and to provide improved 

895
00:52:18,500 --> 00:52:22,300
technology and increase 
productivity for them. 

896
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,500
And all of us there are 
potential customers. 

897
00:52:25,500 --> 00:52:28,700
He then says, what we might be 
looking for is a crisis 

898
00:52:28,700 --> 00:52:33,700
situation, a breakdown of the 
existing system which calls for 

899
00:52:33,700 --> 00:52:36,500
a general search for alternative
Solutions. 

900
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:42,700
Any comments on the section 
which groups, well, each it's 

901
00:52:42,700 --> 00:52:45,800
just fascinating that as we've 
gone through this. 

902
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,600
Part of a for New Liberty. 
We've actually talked about each

903
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:50,700
one of those books before each 
one of those groups. 

904
00:52:50,700 --> 00:52:53,500
Sorry before even arriving at 
this part time, this particular 

905
00:52:53,500 --> 00:52:57,300
section, right? 
It was student groups, Middle 

906
00:52:57,300 --> 00:53:00,300
America, and small business 
owners, right? 

907
00:53:01,300 --> 00:53:05,000
I don't think that it's a 
coincidence that Murray rothbard

908
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,700
was writing about the necessity 
of really appealing to those 

909
00:53:08,700 --> 00:53:13,200
groups, 49 years ago. 
And and it really seems like 

910
00:53:14,100 --> 00:53:18,800
whatever I study, what the Put 
the Liberty Coalition is so to 

911
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,000
speak, right? 
Because I want to give it. 

912
00:53:21,100 --> 00:53:23,100
I'll give you just a little bit 
of an historical parallel. 

913
00:53:23,100 --> 00:53:27,000
Like there was this the sort of 
New Deal coalition that was 

914
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:31,000
built, you know at the height of
at the Roosevelt regime ride, 

915
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:34,600
the FDR regime, the second 
Roosevelt regime, write this 

916
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:38,500
sort of New Deal coalition as it
was as it was criticized, you 

917
00:53:38,500 --> 00:53:45,500
know, as sorry as it was as it 
was described commonly whenever 

918
00:53:45,500 --> 00:53:48,800
I try to, Oh, imagine the same 
thing but for our Liberty, 

919
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,200
right? 
It does seem like it's sort of 

920
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:55,100
a, it's an admixture of of 
college students. 

921
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,300
Just like, you know, that the 
kind of college student that I 

922
00:53:58,300 --> 00:54:00,800
was when I was first getting 
involved with Young, Americans 

923
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,800
for Liberty, back at Baylor 
University, and 2014. 

924
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:08,600
And 2015. 
It's good hard-working, you 

925
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:12,000
know, middle Americans, you 
know, Blue Collar people in the 

926
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,900
Heartland who are, who are, you 
know, really shouldering? 

927
00:54:16,100 --> 00:54:21,000
So much of the brunt of this, 
this Leviathan super-state that 

928
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,400
were that we're living under and
see. 

929
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:27,800
It's and it's also small 
business owners who are either 

930
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,500
having their dreams, completely 
crushed by burdensome 

931
00:54:30,500 --> 00:54:34,200
regulations, which are nothing 
new or there, or they're having 

932
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,900
their business has completely 
taken away from their having the

933
00:54:36,900 --> 00:54:39,400
American dream snatched right, 
at rather than right out of 

934
00:54:39,408 --> 00:54:44,200
their hand, in a right off of 
their dinner plate because of 

935
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:48,300
because of covid tyranny, right?
Because of mandates and 

936
00:54:48,500 --> 00:54:51,400
lockdowns and all these other 
horrible sorts of things, right?

937
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:56,500
So whenever I imagine what I 
think you know, this is sort of 

938
00:54:56,500 --> 00:55:00,000
Liberty Coalition could look 
like, you know, they could 

939
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,000
really make the 21st century a 
century about Liberty. 

940
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:07,400
It's not something that looks 
too awfully dissimilar from what

941
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,600
Mary Rothwell from what Murray 
rothbard was describing, 49 

942
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:14,700
years ago. 
Hans Harper once said that 

943
00:55:14,900 --> 00:55:19,600
without local enforcement of 
federal edicts, the laws are 

944
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:23,100
more or less hot air. 
So another words focusing on 

945
00:55:23,100 --> 00:55:26,900
local politics is pretty good. 
I mean the same reason we never 

946
00:55:26,900 --> 00:55:31,500
got arrested for underage 
drinking or drug use is because 

947
00:55:31,500 --> 00:55:34,400
none of our friends. 
Recognized the legitimacy of 

948
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:38,300
cops to arrest us. 
So none of us reported it to the

949
00:55:38,300 --> 00:55:40,100
cops. 
So when it comes to something 

950
00:55:40,100 --> 00:55:42,300
like this, what have you seen 
work? 

951
00:55:42,500 --> 00:55:48,000
As far as local politics and 
local issues, being a step in 

952
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,100
the right direction is, is it 
down things like door-to-door 

953
00:55:51,100 --> 00:55:53,600
activities? 
Is it city council? 

954
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,800
Is it just going to these places
and speaking? 

955
00:55:55,900 --> 00:55:59,100
What what have you found to be 
positive move in the right 

956
00:55:59,100 --> 00:56:01,700
direction? 
Well, there are several 

957
00:56:01,700 --> 00:56:03,500
examples. 
I think one, one that I could 

958
00:56:03,500 --> 00:56:06,800
point to would be my friend, 
Eric Breaky in the state of 

959
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,600
Maine. 
He was a, former state senator 

960
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,600
up their longtime activist. 
To inside of the Ron Paul 

961
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:17,600
Revolution and because of his 
work within the main State 

962
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:21,000
Senate, they were actually able 
to nullify the federal 

963
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:22,400
government in several different 
ways. 

964
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:26,000
One of, which included a right 
to try legislation, right? 

965
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:30,000
I think that, you know, that was
absolutely huge being able to 

966
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:34,200
use being able to use a state 
government in this case. 

967
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:37,700
But all, you know, yeah, it's a 
state government technically. 

968
00:56:37,700 --> 00:56:40,800
It's nullification on the state 
level, but every single member 

969
00:56:41,100 --> 00:56:43,800
of that of that state, 
Legislature both in the state 

970
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,700
senate, and the state house. 
They're elected by their 

971
00:56:46,700 --> 00:56:49,400
neighbors, their elected by 
their immediate communities, 

972
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:50,800
right? 
And those are the people who 

973
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:54,500
comprise that state government. 
So I think that that's one great

974
00:56:54,500 --> 00:56:59,000
example, being able to nullify 
the FDA on the state level. 

975
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:02,200
That's not a small achievement, 
and that's something that we 

976
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,600
should be paying a lot more 
attention to once again, 

977
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:06,900
especially in the height of 
covid. 

978
00:57:06,900 --> 00:57:09,800
Tyranny. 
We also see the example of a 

979
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:11,900
Knox County mayor, Glenn, 
Jacobs. 

980
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,100
In Knox County, Tennessee, 
right? 

981
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:17,000
Standing up to the federal 
government and and vowing that 

982
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:21,700
he's not going to issue any new 
covid restrictions on the people

983
00:57:21,700 --> 00:57:24,900
of Knox County. 
I do think that see I'm a little

984
00:57:24,900 --> 00:57:27,200
bit of a I don't think this is a
word but I'm going to use it. 

985
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:30,900
Anyway, I'm a nullification is 
and I think that that's going to

986
00:57:30,900 --> 00:57:34,100
begin on the local level and the
state level. 

987
00:57:34,700 --> 00:57:37,500
I'm also an advocate of radical 
decentralization. 

988
00:57:38,100 --> 00:57:41,200
I believe that. 
That's a very sort of natural 

989
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:44,700
process. 
That is going to occur 

990
00:57:45,500 --> 00:57:48,200
regardless, but I don't see 
anything wrong with Libertarians

991
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:53,200
being active and helping 
expedite that process by, you 

992
00:57:53,207 --> 00:57:56,200
know, by engaging in the very 
kinds of theory and movement 

993
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,500
that rothbard discussed. 
But doing so on a local level 

994
00:57:59,900 --> 00:58:02,500
within their City Halls within 
their County goverment's, you 

995
00:58:02,500 --> 00:58:04,800
know, approaching Sheriff's and 
Mayors. 

996
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,600
Yeah, and I, you know, I don't 
see that. 

997
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:12,000
There's anything anything that 
tells us that we shouldn't be 

998
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,700
focusing. 
Assessing on using the powers of

999
00:58:14,700 --> 00:58:17,900
local and state power. 
And, you know, using the powers 

1000
00:58:17,900 --> 00:58:22,300
of local and state governments 
to nullify the edicts of the 

1001
00:58:22,300 --> 00:58:23,900
federal or the central 
government. 

1002
00:58:24,500 --> 00:58:27,200
I think that that's an 
incredibly valid way of 

1003
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:30,800
advancing Liberty and our 
lifetime. 

1004
00:58:30,900 --> 00:58:35,000
So, I'm a nullification assist, 
and I'm a radical 

1005
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,100
decentralization. 
Missed both of them. 

1006
00:58:37,100 --> 00:58:40,400
So it, excellent points. 
Anyone who disagrees with that? 

1007
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,200
Just, they might not even 
understand. 

1008
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:46,200
The state is they're attempting 
to centralize and monopolize 

1009
00:58:46,500 --> 00:58:49,400
violence among hundreds of 
millions of people. 

1010
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:53,000
So the step in the opposite 
direction would be to 

1011
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:57,700
decentralize and have competing 
Realms of authority whether it's

1012
00:58:57,700 --> 00:59:03,000
parents church the country clubs
by book clubs organizations. 

1013
00:59:03,500 --> 00:59:06,600
So excellent points there. 
I've got two more questions for 

1014
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:07,200
you. 
Mr. Cooley. 

1015
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:09,700
Thank you so much for your time.
Finally. 

1016
00:59:09,700 --> 00:59:12,300
We have toward a free America, 
the final section. 

1017
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:18,100
Ian only we provide the really 
sharp and genuine break with the

1018
00:59:18,100 --> 00:59:21,000
encroaching statism of the 20th 
century only. 

1019
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:25,100
We offer technology without 
technocracy growth without 

1020
00:59:25,100 --> 00:59:27,800
pollution Liberty, without 
payoffs Law, Without. 

1021
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:31,700
Tyranny, the defense of property
rights in one's person and it 

1022
00:59:31,700 --> 00:59:35,500
ones material possessions, the 
enormous success of Karl, Marx 

1023
00:59:35,500 --> 00:59:39,400
and Marxism has been do not to 
the validity of his ideas. 

1024
00:59:39,500 --> 00:59:42,100
All of which indeed are 
fallacious, but to the fact that

1025
00:59:42,100 --> 00:59:46,300
he Here to weave socialist 
Theory into a mighty system, 

1026
00:59:46,300 --> 00:59:50,600
Liberty cannot succeed without 
an equivalent and contrasting 

1027
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:55,100
systematic Theory and until the 
last few years, despite our 

1028
00:59:55,100 --> 00:59:58,300
great heritage of Economic and 
political thought and practice, 

1029
00:59:58,500 --> 01:00:02,700
we have not had a fully 
integrated and consistent theory

1030
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:08,100
of Liberty final thoughts on 
toward a free America. 

1031
01:00:09,300 --> 01:00:14,100
Well, it's worth pointing out 
the The first two words of that 

1032
01:00:14,100 --> 01:00:17,400
excerpt, correct me if I'm 
wrong, but aren't they only we, 

1033
01:00:17,900 --> 01:00:22,500
he uses absolute language there 
and that is worth emphasizing 

1034
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:25,100
for a couple of reasons. 
And we could go back to chapter 

1035
01:00:25,100 --> 01:00:27,200
one to reflect on that just a 
little bit. 

1036
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:30,200
He talks about how, you know, 
there's the there's the 

1037
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:35,100
right-wing opportunism, right? 
There's the that the stupidity 

1038
01:00:35,100 --> 01:00:39,900
and the inconsistency of the 
political right in in granting 

1039
01:00:39,900 --> 01:00:44,600
to the state all of its weapons.
Right, but saying, okay, maybe 

1040
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:48,900
we can keep this restrained. 
Maybe maybe if we empower the 

1041
01:00:48,900 --> 01:00:52,700
state where the Monopoly on 
violence and we give it the 

1042
01:00:52,700 --> 01:00:55,900
largest military ever assembled.
It won't come back on us one 

1043
01:00:55,900 --> 01:00:57,900
day, right? 
So that that's just utter 

1044
01:00:57,900 --> 01:00:59,700
stupidity. 
But of course, he doesn't 

1045
01:00:59,700 --> 01:01:04,900
Reserve this sort of this sort 
of incendiary criticism for just

1046
01:01:04,900 --> 01:01:06,800
the right. 
Whee-hee-hee-hee. 

1047
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:09,800
Gives a very good synopsis of 
the left, right? 

1048
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:13,800
And how the left really outgrew 
as we Understand it a day, or 

1049
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:18,300
liberalism, as it was known 
before before around the new 

1050
01:01:18,300 --> 01:01:21,500
deal, period rewarded, you know 
that the top of the 20th century

1051
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:27,000
became co-opted with this, with 
this love for imperialism and 

1052
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:31,200
militarism and and these other 
hideous forms of statism, right?

1053
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:36,000
It seems as you know, rothbard 
describes it as though the left 

1054
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:40,100
has a very they claim to have a 
very strong emphasis on human 

1055
01:01:40,100 --> 01:01:43,600
rights, but they completely 
forget All the other kinds of 

1056
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,800
rights such as the most 
important like property rights. 

1057
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:50,400
The left has so much respect. 
They claim to have so much 

1058
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:55,000
respect for human rights, but 
they neglect and shun property 

1059
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:58,400
rights altogether. 
So, with both the, you know, the

1060
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:01,400
conventional right? 
And and the conventional left, 

1061
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:07,700
you have a neglect of at least 
one very serious component of 

1062
01:02:07,700 --> 01:02:11,000
Liberty, right? 
And so, yes, I don't think that 

1063
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:16,000
it's in a accurate to say that 
it really is only libertarianism

1064
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:19,000
that can provide the kinds of 
conditions that he went on to 

1065
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:21,700
elaborate on further in the 
quote. 

1066
01:02:21,700 --> 01:02:26,200
You just provided things like 
like Law Without tyranny, for 

1067
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:31,300
example, yes, so I you know, I 
think that, you know, he really 

1068
01:02:31,300 --> 01:02:35,500
does a great job of taking that 
particular excerpt and tying 

1069
01:02:35,500 --> 01:02:39,400
that back to a lot of 
observations that he makes at 

1070
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:42,600
different points throughout part
one such as the one we're That I

1071
01:02:42,607 --> 01:02:45,600
just elaborated on where he 
talks about where, you know, why

1072
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:49,000
libertarianism is rooted 
originally, and not opposition 

1073
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:51,000
to the left. 
But in opposition to the right 

1074
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:57,600
and explaining exactly how the 
left became bastardized and and 

1075
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:03,400
sort of morphed, sort of 
devolved and into into, what we,

1076
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:04,900
what we see and what we deal 
with today. 

1077
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:09,000
My final question is, what is 
the most important thing? 

1078
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:12,100
You learned during your time 
working at Young Americans for 

1079
01:03:12,100 --> 01:03:17,100
Liberty? 
Wow, so I was a young Americans 

1080
01:03:17,100 --> 01:03:21,100
for liberty for a long time. 
I got active with them and in 

1081
01:03:21,100 --> 01:03:26,500
2018, seriously, after after 
really being involved with them 

1082
01:03:26,500 --> 01:03:32,300
on college campuses you before 
that, the single most important 

1083
01:03:32,300 --> 01:03:34,800
thing that I learned there 
thinking in terms of the 

1084
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:38,800
superlative. 
I think that we need to 

1085
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:45,800
understand. 
Exactly why organizations lose 

1086
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:47,800
sight of the mission? 
I think that we need to 

1087
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:52,700
understand exactly what it takes
to build an organization that 

1088
01:03:52,700 --> 01:03:56,900
will be, that will be foolproof 
from these sorts of things. 

1089
01:03:56,900 --> 01:03:58,400
And I think that that's where 
that's where it does. 

1090
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:00,300
Get back to Murray rothbard, 
right? 

1091
01:04:00,500 --> 01:04:04,600
I think that that Murray 
rothbard can in a strategy for 

1092
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:07,100
Liberty and part three of four, 
New Liberty. 

1093
01:04:07,700 --> 01:04:10,900
He provides us with, with 
something very close to a 

1094
01:04:10,900 --> 01:04:13,800
Playbook. 
Or a blueprint as to how exactly

1095
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:18,500
we can build a foolproof kind of
institution or a kind of 

1096
01:04:18,500 --> 01:04:23,400
movement where the kinds of 
problems plaguing. 

1097
01:04:24,100 --> 01:04:27,000
Other institutions that are 
originally built for the purpose

1098
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:30,000
of advancing Liberty, but lose 
sight of that. 

1099
01:04:30,700 --> 01:04:34,600
Over time. 
I think that I think that, you 

1100
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:38,600
know, the most profound thing 
that we can reflect on both in 

1101
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:42,400
terms of my history with Yael 
and and what Has happened to the

1102
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:46,300
organization as of late, as how 
exactly do we prevent 

1103
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:50,000
organizations that are 
once-great from losing their 

1104
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:52,100
way? 
Now years after their 

1105
01:04:52,100 --> 01:04:55,300
established. 
Thank you to everyone for 

1106
01:04:55,300 --> 01:04:57,300
watching Keith Knight. 
Don't tread on anyone in the 

1107
01:04:57,300 --> 01:04:59,500
libertarian Institute. 
Mr. Cooley. 

1108
01:04:59,500 --> 01:05:02,000
Thank you so much for your time.
Thank you.