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I'm not scared of The Mouse and 
the Stalin's and the Hitler's. 

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I'm scared of the thousands or 
millions of people that 

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hallucinate them to be 
Authority. 

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And so do their bidding and pay 
for their Empires and carry out 

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their orders. 
I don't care if there's one 

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loony with the stupid mustache. 
He's not a threat. 

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If the people do not believe in 
Authority. 

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Welcome to Keith's and I don't 
try it on anyone. 

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Today. 
We have Shepherd the voluntarist

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joining us Shepherd. 
Where is the best place to find?

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Your archive of work, you know, 
YouTube is a place that until 

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I'm dethroned or whatever. 
It's called until I'm canceled. 

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And then, you know, I'd actually
say, go to Odyssey. 

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I'm putting everything on 
Odyssey.com, OD y, SE e.com. 

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And if you look up, Shepherd, 
thinks or Shepherd, the 

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voluntary assist, you'll find me
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Shepherd. 
What type of police work were 

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you involved in? 
Well, I started out. 

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Out. 
When I was a 16 17 year old kid.

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I worked as a busboy at a 
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And I got to know the local 
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They would come in and I got to 
hear all the cool stories about 

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what the job entailed, you know,
you get to drive really fast and

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and you get to get in fights and
you never lose the fight because

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there's enough of you the rest 
of your gang little come to your

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backup. 
So you can kind of be a 

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cowardly, chubby little kid and 
still be a tough guy because you

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got all the people coming to 
back you up and so As a 

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cowardly, little chubby kid. 
I thought, hey, this is cool. 

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I could, I could do this. 
I'm finally gonna be one of the 

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cool kids. 
And so I developed this interest

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in law enforcement and I learned
that the best training for law 

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enforcement is in Southern 
California, is in the state of 

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California. 
I ended up in Southern 

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California. 
I went through the Orange County

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Sheriff's Academy, which is a 
six-month Academy, and some 

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states are only a 10 or 12 week 
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So this was a lot more training.
And then I spent two years in 

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the Orange County Jail system, 
and I was just in a one of the 

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many jails within their system. 
I think our jail had sixteen 

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hundred inmates in it. 
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southern California, Beach town 
and lateral there and was a 

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police officer there for six 
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And then the chief said 
something to me, that he 

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wouldn't take back. 
So I left there what he said was

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you're fired. 
He says You're too much of a 

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Midwestern ieave kid. 
You don't understand the way 

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things are supposed to be, so 
you're fired. 

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So I left there and went to the 
Rocky Mountain area, which is 

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where I grew up and saying 
little town where I worked in 

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that restaurant and became a 
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because a 25 sworn officer 
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So that was kind of the start. 
And then I stayed at that 

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department for almost eight 
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I think seven and a half years. 
I'm like that. 

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So I did just under 10 years in 
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the people that you worked with.
Why would someone who's your 

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boss? 
Say, you are naive? 

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I'm trying to think of what 
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something like that? 
What was he saying? 

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You are naive about. 
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have grown up in the back Hills 
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community. 
So I really wasn't Street. 

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I, you know, I went to a 
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rode a horse to school and like 
I wasn't a hip kid, I wasn't out

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cooking the methamphetamines or 
the zimas or the marijuana's or 

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whatever that stuff is like I 
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and my two years of the jail. 
Give me a little bit of Street 

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smarts, but I was still nothing,
like the typical City kid. 

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What they would know, and there 
are things. 

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I want example was, I was taught
in training. 

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Like why didn't you pull that 
car over my field training 

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officer would say and I'd say 
well they didn't do anything 

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wrong and they said well, yeah, 
but did you see who is in the 

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car? 
And I'd say well yeah, there 

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were four Mexican guys. 
And they'd say yeah, you didn't 

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pull him over and so I go. 
Okay. 

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Well I'm learning and then I 
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car and I pull him over and the 
field training officer would say

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why in the world. 
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And I'd say well for Mexican 
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were supposed to do and I said 
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These are just hard working. 
Legal Border, Brothers, they're 

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called, they're just here trying
to wash dishes and make a living

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for their family, don't harass 
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They're good people. 
They're not out selling drugs 

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and being criminals and shooting
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So the little nuances like that 
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So if they're shaved heads and 
they come in on Artesia from 

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South Central Los Angeles and 
they're in a low writing Impala.

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Okay, that's who you pull over. 
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bunch of tattoos, but if they're
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people, then you don't. 
So there were and that's just 

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one example of the the nuances 
that I didn't catch on, and, and

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the chief was right. 
I didn't turn out to be a great 

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cop. 
Yeah. 

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Now when you pull someone over, 
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If you pull over someone who 
hasn't quote done anything wrong

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kid, you'll figure it out. 
By the time you get up to their 

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window. 
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That's what you're at. 
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That's what you were taught by 
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I would say, well, what's my 
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You'll figure it out by the time
you get up to their window. 

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So it could be something like 
they're the tread on their 

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tires, wasn't deep enough, like 
a bald tires or their license 

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plate, light was out, or it 
looked like it was out from the 

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angle that that we were, or 
there's something impairing 

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their Vision. 
Maybe they have some fuzzy dice 

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hanging from their rearview 
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Yeah. 
Yeah, there you think it's up by

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the time you get up there? 
And what is the goal to see if 

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they have drugs on them and to 
meet a quota? 

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I'm just trying to think because
I'm sorry to interrupt you 

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after, I don't know. 
Well, now let's see, but just to

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show you what I'm thinking of it
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someone over and walk up to a 
stranger's window where, you 

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know, you can't fully see their 
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It looks like there is a 
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So I'm saying why do they go 
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These dice? 
And my first is well, they have 

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a quota to meet and it's 
something they like doing to 

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make sure that you know, the 
they can justify their next. 

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Their next amount of money from 
the feds. 

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What is the incentive to pull 
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Even if they aren't doing 
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You know, it and this isn't 
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I don't believe what I believe 
then, but I kind of still do. 

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I think that most cops naively 
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and truly, they are the night, 
the blue Knight on the horse. 

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That's going out to protect 
their Village from the bad guys.

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And so, if you see a Chevy 
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with, shaved heads and they're 
sitting in such, Position their 

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slump down their seats. 
When you glance at them. 

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They look away. 
If you pull that car over, I've 

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got tattoos on their necks and 
such one of them will probably 

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have a warrant for their arrest 
out of Los Angeles, either the 

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city, or the county and maybe 
the warrant is for homicide. 

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Maybe it's for drug dealing. 
You don't really care if it's a 

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serious felony. 
That's basically who you're 

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looking for. 
If you walk up to them and you 

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talk to them and they're 
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and They're obviously not bad, 
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Then you just spit have a good 
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And you know, why are you here 
in our expensive much lighter 

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colored, skinned area, which is 
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And we're just cruising and hey,
why don't you keep doing that 

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and then let him go. 
So there isn't really that much 

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fear cops are taught to have 
fear. 

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But you know, you have your hand
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out that you're doing a trough 
traffic stop. 

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If you say the kind of vehicle 
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Then they know the other four 
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Okay. 
It's probably time for other 

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officers to not rush over but 
you have two or three or four 

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cars Meandering your way. 
When you make that stop until 

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you walked up and you see that 
they're they're cool and you get

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on the radio and say 
everything's fine and and then 

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everybody will stop rolling your
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So not that much fear. 
And you're really trying to get 

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the bad guys off the street. 
In the cops mind with a cop's 

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training. 
The statism, you really think 

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both are bad guys, and we've got
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short. 
Yeah. 

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Sure. 
Yeah. 

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I definitely see it as a 
difference in the approach that 

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we as volunteers should have 
whether we're up against evil 

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people who just need to be 
resisted or for up against 

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people who have been tricked 
into thinking that their actions

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are somehow Justified. 
Once they get hired by this 

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group of people called the 
government group as That is, if 

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that alters morality, do you 
have any advice for talking to 

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police officers? 
Just one example that I was in, 

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I was at the lake and we were 
you know, wakeboarding and the 

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cop pulls this guy over and he's
just bugging him. 

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I can just I just saw him 
lurking looking for something to

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do. 
So, here's the cop and the guy 

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and I'm sort of just riding 
around and the cop stops what 

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he's doing. 
Stop this. 

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You know, potential criminal, 
who might be dangerous. 

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He stops and tells me to hey, Go
away, You're interfering with my

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investigation and I said, f you 
and then drove off and then he 

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meets me like 30 minutes later 
on the dock and says, hey, you 

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said f you to me and you were 
interfering with my 

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investigation, what's your name?
And there was my dad former 

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military and my brother former 
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I mean that they just said 
Silence. 

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I didn't know what to expect 
from them. 

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But he goes up and he goes, what
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I go. 
I didn't say FU to you. 

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I probably did. 
I don't remember it. 

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But he's saying that that's what
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And then, so was The Other 
Woman, he was with. 

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And I and then here I am arguing
about whether or not I told him 

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to F himself and I said, what 
even if I did. 

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So what and he goes? 
No, I'm writing you a ticket. 

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What's your name? 
And there's my dad and my 

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brother stayed us to one and 
stayed us to and I go If I give 

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him a fake name because no one 
has their wallet or license on 

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them. 
I go these mother effers might 

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tell on me. 
If I and I just gave him my 

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name. 
Reluctantly. 

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And then he hands me. 
The ticket and says waking in a 

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no-wake zone, so he gave me a 
fraudulent ticket. 

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So I go fight it. 
I make this long drive down to 

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the lake and then he doesn't 
show up and I go. 

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Well the cop doesn't show up the
tickets dropped. 

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He goes, nowhere rescheduling. 
Get you think that's the rule? 

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Because we say, that's the rule.
That's not the role. 

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Good. 
You Up, make a third trip. 

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And then on the third trip, he 
didn't show again and they just 

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cancelled it. 
The second time you didn't show 

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up because he had known, he 
fabricated it. 

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I'm sorry. 
I needed to get that off my 

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chest. 
The point is when, when I'm 

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being written a fraudulent 
ticket, and it's either my pride

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or make my life easier. 
How do I communicate to the 

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officers? 
There's two of them? 

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Okay. 
So first of all, I think having 

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the understanding that you had 
and your great people relatives 

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didn't have have was first of 
all in how you look at this, 

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this human being in front of you
and for me, a big part of it is 

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the pride of not being a 
cuckold, you know, you are not 

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the schmuck in the situation, 
you know, that that is an armed 

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bad guy. 
It's an armed Thug, an armed 

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gang member in armed Mafia 
person and I would behave with 

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them just as I would, if several
armed gang members of a 

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different gang walked up to me 
and were giving me crap. 

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If I think I can kick their butt
and get away with it. 

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I'll probably do that. 
If I think I can't kick their 

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butt and get away with it. 
Then I won't. 

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And I will say just as people 
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Masters ruling over them for 
many years. 

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You kind of bow your head and 
you say yet that show is funny 

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Masa you do whatever you've got 
to say and of course, we don't 

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have it as bad as a motorist in 
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Motors to the United States in. 
321. 

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We don't have it as bad as the 
slave on the plantation. 

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But the slave that saying, yes, 
Masson smiling and just trying 

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to be likable. 
That's a strategy. 

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That's a communication strategy.
And that's probably the most 

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effective strategy if you want 
to walk away without getting a 

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ticket. 
I think kind of a cool thing to 

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do is actually befriend the cop 
a bit and is kind of a 

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roundabout thing, but I got this
idea from how what's the book 

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that Bad Quaker wrote about 
sabotage and has the you know, 

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the one I'm talking about. 
Yep. 

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Well Ben was on my show 
promoting it so I feel better. 

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Yeah, I think it's called field 
sedition manual. 

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Yes. 
Yes, and one of the things 

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that's been a while he was so 
correct about was the 

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demoralization. 
So there are several things that

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you want to accomplish and I 
think in any communication, if 

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you're going into a business 
negotiation, you say, what is it

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the way that I want to 
accomplish? 

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And then you prepare for that. 
Well, in this case, what do you 

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want to accomplish? 
Well, one thing you want to 

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accomplish is for the police 
officer to decide, you know, I'm

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going to do, I shouldn't do this
job anymore. 

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This is just a miserable job. 
I'm going to go do something 

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that's useful and honest and 
good, maybe on the same 

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socio-economic skill IQ level, 
but but being a janitor or a, I 

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don't know, parking garage 
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that. 
That you, you have the same 

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amount of thinking power, you 
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Security guard, something like 
that, but you want to encourage 

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that person to do that. 
Well, you can't really say, hey,

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go get a job doing blah, blah 
blah, but you can make it a 

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little less comfortable to do 
the current job. 

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Well, what does every government
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Complain about? 
What does everybody hate me? 

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They're screwing us over the 
city's. 

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Screwing us over or the county. 
Screwing us over. 

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We're not getting paid enough. 
I'm only making eighty two grand

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a year and there they made me 
work two hours of overtime last 

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week and While the the plumbers 
making 40 Grand a year and 

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working 80 hours a week and 
just, you know, sucking it up 

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and making it happen. 
But that's what the the 

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government employee is thinking,
they're underpaid and they're 

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overworked, and they're 
understaffed, and they should be

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treated like a hero, and we're 
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So that big long diatribe. 
What you might say would be. 

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Hey, and thanks for being out 
here, doing what you're doing. 

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I know they are not paying you 
guys enough and you guys don't 

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get enough respect and you know,
you're probably, you know, 

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barely making 70 grand a year. 
He's really making 50 Grand a 

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year. 
And now he has some punk kid 

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who's thinking, he's only making
70 grand. 

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You want to talk about hurt in a
ego that hurts an ego. 

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This is more likely for him in 
three weeks to go. 

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You know, that's that's this job
just sucks. 

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I want to go out and be a 
productive farmer, or truck 

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driver or doctor or whatever, 
but I want to go out and do 

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something productive. 
So you've helped that happen. 

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He hasn't hassled. 
You. 

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You haven't said a might being 
detained. 

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Am I being Detained us? 
That's just an annoying joke to 

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Cops. 
They yeah, I mean you might get 

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them upset. 
But oh, okay. 

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Now they hate Libertarians more.
Thanks, man, that helps. 

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So if there isn't a good reason 
that I think just kind of 

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getting along realizing they are
a big gang at the end of their 

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radio. 
They have a bunch more cops. 

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And then at the end of those 
cops radio, they have a National

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Guard. 
And at the end of that radio, 

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they have the Marine Corps and 
all the special forces and 

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you're not Kick, everybody's 
butt and so since you can't kick

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their butt then you kowtow and 
you don't get beaten up unless 

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that's not your ultimate goal. 
So I was saying that, if the 

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ultimate goal is to not get in 
trouble, not have get a ticket 

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or arrested or beat up or 
whatever and to get them, not to

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be a cop. 
So then my strategy is good. 

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If your strategy is to prove a 
point because by golly you're 

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you have the right. 
Oh, that's a different goal if 

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you don't mind going to Jail, or
getting beat up or shot or 

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whatever. 
Then there's certainly some very

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clever things one could say, 
I've been so surprised to come 

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across the phenomenon of false 
confessions. 

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I never would have thought that 
someone would falsely confess to

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a crime. 
However, it's a pretty big thing

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and a lot of lawyers are on 
record saying, never talk to the

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police without a lawyer. 
There's a whole YouTube channel.

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Jim can't swim and it's all 
about these, you know, 

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interrogations and everything. 
And and and the the running joke

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is instead of hours of Forage, 
all you need to say is never 

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talked to the cops without a 
lawyer and then you could have 

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saved your time watching the 
whole Channel but it's very 

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interesting. 
I love that channel. 

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But is there ever a time where 
let's say you're totally 

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innocent where it's worth 
explaining to the police 

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officer. 
Even when he's pulling you over 

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or if you're back at the 
station, whether or not you are 

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innocent in what, whatever 
you're being accused of or 

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indirectly accused of, it's a 
gamble, you know, if If you are 

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suspected of something serious, 
then you definitely want to say 

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it. 
And you don't say, I'm going to 

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plead the fifth. 
No, you smile, and you say or 

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let's say you were in a 
shooting. 

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Somebody somebody attacks you 
with a knife and you pull your 

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gun out and you defend yourself 
and you shoot them and then the 

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cops get there. 
You're not going to be saying I 

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have a right? 
Not to say anything. 

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No, you're going to say, hey 
officer. 

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I really want to cooperate right
now. 

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I'm scared and I did, I 
definitely want to cooperate. 

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I of course. 
I want to have an attorney with 

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me. 
Talk to you. 

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But yeah, I definitely want to 
cooperate. 

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Well, now you've invoked your 
Fifth Amendment right, as long 

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as they decide to keep those 
going. 

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Like it's just magic words. 
Magic spells on a piece of 

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paper, the Fifth Amendment and 
all the others but as long as 

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they're they think that they 
have to play by them, then 

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that's the way to do it, but not
in an antagonistic way. 

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Now, on the other hand, if if a 
cop walks up to you as you're 

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walking along the beach down at 
the lake and says, hey were you 

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throwing some bottles and 
breaking them? 

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Then I think you kind of look at
the the legitimacy of the the 

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job that they're doing. 
Do we as voluntary as think that

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Society needs a bunch of big 
guys with sticks to go around 

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and stop people from getting 
dead plants and putting them in 

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zigzags and rolling them up and 
smoking them. 

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No, we don't think that Society 
needs that position filled. 

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However, I think we, as 
voluntary us would agree that 

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it's not good for drunk jerks to
break glass bottles on Sandy. 

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Just of lakes where kids play. 
So in that kind of case, 

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especially if I hadn't been 
breaking bottles though, that I 

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would be absolutely friendly. 
And now, man. 

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I haven't if you've been having 
those issues here and, and those

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so yeah, the people are doing 
that constantly, but, hey, I'm 

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going to keep my eyes open. 
That's BS. 

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Man. 
I bring my family out here and 

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they're just another human being
trying to do a good thing that 

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you agree as good at that point.
So, I think it's really 

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situation dependent. 
I was Attacked, I'm not 

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physically attacked kind of I 
was threatened by an armed man 

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and he stole some money from me 
about a year ago, a police 

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officer, a highway patrolman and
when he pulled me over, he came 

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up and did his whole 8-step 
tactical Verbal Judo thing just 

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as he had been trained. 
And I was completely friendly 

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with him and I didn't pull the 
card of, you know, as a former 

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cop it would have been so easy 
to say. 

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Hey man, you got a tough job. 
I remember the days I had to do 

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this and go. 
Oh really? 

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I'm so yeah. 
I used to be a cop and blah blah

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blah. 
Oh really? 

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Okay. 
Well, hey man, you gotta slow 

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down. 
But I didn't want to play that 

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card this time. 
And so I just said, hey, I'm 

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sorry and you know, I just go 
and I think 80 and a 70 or 

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something like that. 
I thought you know, I'm within 

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10 and most cops will say five 
over gets you a warning 10 over,

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gets you a ticket unless you 
have a good attitude and then 

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there's some leeway. 
I figured I've got a good 

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attitude. 
It's completely dry safe road. 

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He's going to let me off and he 
came back, gave me a ticket in 

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that case, I had Nothing else 
left to lose, so I didn't say 

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anything to him, but I just took
the ticket and he probably 

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didn't know what it was because 
he's from small town, but gave 

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him that little tooth suck thing
that every, every inmate in the 

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world knows that every Jailer 
knows. 

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That's just a way of saying, I 
hate you and disrespect you man,

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but without actually saying, oh 
no, I just had some stuck in my 

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teeth as the excuse. 
So I did that. 

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He probably didn't catch on to 
it, but I didn't smile at him. 

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I didn't give me any more. 
Love. 

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Whereas before. 
Is there a function? 

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If there's the Keith Knight Road
system. 

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Would you want people driving 
200 miles an hour, along your 

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roadway drunk know, you would 
probably have managers out there

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that managed your private 
roadway and said, hey guys, slow

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down and you're completely nice 
to people about it or you would 

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have them be. 
So as long as he was fulfilling 

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this function, that might exist 
in a free market Society. 

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I treated him with respect when 
he extorted or started the 

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process of extorting. 
However much it was from me. 

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Then I no longer treated him 
with smiles and respect but I 

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also didn't start cussing him 
out or anything. 

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He's just a poor status. 
That hasn't yet been awakened 

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and maybe someday, I'll see him 
at a party and be able to awaken

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him or just give him another 
little tidbit of hey, yeah, you 

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know, I used to take money from 
people then I realized hey, 

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that's that's wrong. 
I shouldn't do that. 

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Wait a year and say it again. 
I think that's a better method. 

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Yeah. 
Well if there was a Keith Knight

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World System, I would expect 
people to be respectful to 

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someone, you know, just trying 
to keep the road safe and make 

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sure no one's driving recklessly
or too fast, unless those same 

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people are also kidnapping other
people from victimless crimes 

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and enforcing the edicts of 
lying thieving politicians. 

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Well, then I just would stop 
caring it whether or not you 

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were rude to them or not. 
So so it's important that if we 

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value the things like Helping 
murderers, thieves rapists, and 

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all these other terrible 
kidnappers human traffickers. 

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It's so important. 
We separate that from the 

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position of having extra rights 
than other people, and being to 

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initiate violence in unique 
ways. 

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That would be wrong for, for 
anyone else to do a lot of the 

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Divide when it comes to the left
criticism, the left-wing 

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criticism of police. 
And the libertarian criticism 

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the leftist might say something 
like the Um is racial and then 

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under that there's a class 
problem and there's also a 

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sexist problem. 
We're mostly male cops will 

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mistreat women and look as look 
at as a way of, you know, sort 

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of controlling them in ways, the
other weren't that they 

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otherwise wouldn't. 
Where's the libertarian? 

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Says? 
No, the blatant problem is they 

448
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,600
think they have the right to 
rule you because they are cops. 

449
00:23:46,900 --> 00:23:49,200
The way we know this is they 
explicitly say it. 

450
00:23:49,300 --> 00:23:50,200
Do what? 
I tell you. 

451
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,000
I'm an officer. 
I have a badge. 

452
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,500
The Really say those things. 
All those other things are sort 

453
00:23:54,500 --> 00:23:57,700
of, maybe secondary tertiary in 
the background. 

454
00:23:57,700 --> 00:23:59,400
What do you think the problem 
is? 

455
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,800
Is it race class gender or the 
right to rule? 

456
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,000
I think that the, the law 
enforcement system, the justice 

457
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,700
system will call it by the. 
The what's that? 

458
00:24:11,700 --> 00:24:13,700
An oxymoron? 
We'll call it by the oxymoron 

459
00:24:13,700 --> 00:24:17,500
that it is the Injustice system.
In truth is set up. 

460
00:24:17,500 --> 00:24:21,900
I think primarily as a class and
a welfare system. 

461
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,500
So when you think about the the 
person that is in jail or the 

462
00:24:26,500 --> 00:24:28,400
person that's watching them in 
jail. 

463
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,700
The person that is managing the 
parking garage right by the part

464
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,300
Courthouse, the judge the clerk,
the attorneys, the prosecuting 

465
00:24:36,300 --> 00:24:39,600
attorney defense attorney. 
There's a whole industry built 

466
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,300
around some people breaking 
laws. 

467
00:24:42,300 --> 00:24:45,500
And then when they do other 
people putting them in cages and

468
00:24:45,500 --> 00:24:48,700
going through this whole fancy 
thing in the marble halls of the

469
00:24:48,700 --> 00:24:52,200
courtroom of all your honor, I 
believe doing the whole dancer. 

470
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,500
Or costume show or whatever you 
want to call Court there. 

471
00:24:55,500 --> 00:25:00,900
I think that the class and the 
the welfare is the first because

472
00:25:00,900 --> 00:25:02,700
I as a police officer was on 
welfare. 

473
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:07,400
It was a way for the government 
to support me and pay for my 

474
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:12,000
housing and my food and keep me 
off the street. 

475
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:16,300
All of the people in jail, the 
inmates they were also having 

476
00:25:16,300 --> 00:25:20,400
their housing and food paid by 
the government to keep them off 

477
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,100
the streets. 
Same. 

478
00:25:22,300 --> 00:25:24,100
With the judges of the attorneys
and everybody. 

479
00:25:24,100 --> 00:25:28,500
So there's this whole system. 
The criminal class is a lower 

480
00:25:28,500 --> 00:25:32,500
class system and as I would sit 
by or not sit as I would stand 

481
00:25:32,500 --> 00:25:35,800
by the chow hall and 1,500 
inmates. 

482
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,300
The other hundred were locked up
more but the 1,500 inmates would

483
00:25:39,300 --> 00:25:42,000
file passed me over the course 
of an hour and a half or two. 

484
00:25:42,500 --> 00:25:45,200
I would look at the facial 
structure in and the way that 

485
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,100
people walked their gate there. 
How many teeth did they have? 

486
00:25:49,100 --> 00:25:52,000
What was just their General 
appearance? 

487
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,100
And you could have taken me 
after my almost two years in the

488
00:25:55,100 --> 00:26:00,700
jail and drop me in any other 
city in the south east 

489
00:26:00,700 --> 00:26:04,400
Northeast, probably another 
country and I could have walked 

490
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,100
down the street and looked and 
said, inmate out of custody. 

491
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:09,700
That's what we would call. 
The people that are in the 

492
00:26:09,700 --> 00:26:13,000
revolving door, you know, the 
cousin comes to visit and 

493
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,400
visitation day and bestest an 
inmate out of custody, because 

494
00:26:16,900 --> 00:26:19,300
within a few weeks or months, 
the inmate that he's visiting 

495
00:26:19,300 --> 00:26:23,500
will be out and he'll be in. 
So it's just this Irving door. 

496
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:28,100
And so, I think class is the 
biggest thing class and Welfare.

497
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:33,100
And then the racial issue part, 
my story earlier about the four 

498
00:26:33,100 --> 00:26:35,600
Mexicans. 
Was that a racial thing? 

499
00:26:36,500 --> 00:26:39,600
No, that was a social social 
thing. 

500
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:43,100
That was I was told, don't pull 
over people just because they're

501
00:26:43,100 --> 00:26:45,600
Mexicans that those were the 
Border Brothers, the dishwashing

502
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,900
people. 
No, don't pull them over just 

503
00:26:47,900 --> 00:26:51,600
because the color of their skin 
or their their, or their 

504
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,000
national origin. 
It pull them over because they 

505
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,600
look a lot, like, the people 
that you have seen over the 

506
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,300
whole time in jail, many, many, 
many, many, many, many thousands

507
00:27:01,300 --> 00:27:04,600
of people that are the bad guys 
circling through. 

508
00:27:04,700 --> 00:27:07,100
If they look like the bad guy, 
you pull them over. 

509
00:27:07,300 --> 00:27:09,800
Well, a lot of bad. 
Guys, are Mexicans in Southern 

510
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,500
California and a lot of bad. 
Guys are black in Southern, 

511
00:27:13,500 --> 00:27:17,500
California. 
And is there something that 

512
00:27:17,500 --> 00:27:19,800
makes those people be the 
highest. 

513
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,500
There's ridiculous numbers of 
the Population in jail. 

514
00:27:23,500 --> 00:27:26,800
That is a minority. 
It's just ridiculous. 

515
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:32,000
It's upsetting. 
And I do think that somehow in 

516
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,200
there. 
There are some racism. 

517
00:27:34,300 --> 00:27:39,100
Now. 
I did not see overt racism in to

518
00:27:39,100 --> 00:27:42,000
a large degree. 
And when I say to a large 

519
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,600
degree, I've hung around a lot 
of people that have told a black

520
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,400
joke or something. 
And I don't really care what 

521
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,700
people say with their words, as 
long as they treat people. 

522
00:27:50,700 --> 00:27:55,000
Okay? 
And in Action, so, to actually 

523
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,600
see a problem there. 
I did not see racism to a 

524
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,400
measurable degree in Southern 
California and my two and a half

525
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,300
years there and certainly not in
the small town that I was in for

526
00:28:07,300 --> 00:28:09,300
the seven and a half years after
that. 

527
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:15,400
No, it would all had to do not 
with the color of the skin or 

528
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,100
the country of origin but with a
social status, so I guess that 

529
00:28:19,100 --> 00:28:24,800
comes back a lot to to class. 
Sure, and the the reasoning that

530
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,200
is just to get at the heart of 
the issue. 

531
00:28:27,300 --> 00:28:30,700
Because if you look, if you 
spend a lot of time, you know, 

532
00:28:30,700 --> 00:28:35,200
talking about the police problem
as BLM and antifa and 

533
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:39,100
progressives do and they come 
away with it being a racial 

534
00:28:39,100 --> 00:28:42,800
issue, which is a far less 
problem than the right to rule 

535
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,700
issue. 
It's the equivalent of saying 

536
00:28:44,900 --> 00:28:48,900
men are 50% of the population, 
yet. 90% of the inmates. 

537
00:28:48,900 --> 00:28:51,900
This is a sexism problem. 
We need a male lives matter 

538
00:28:51,900 --> 00:28:54,800
movement. 
There's far, there's not enough 

539
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,400
Jews, and Asians in the jail. 
This is an Asian supremacist 

540
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,700
Society. 
We need to have a conversation 

541
00:29:00,700 --> 00:29:02,500
about this. 
That's when I know I'm talking 

542
00:29:02,500 --> 00:29:04,100
to an idiot. 
When, instead of having the 

543
00:29:04,100 --> 00:29:06,500
conversation they say we need to
have a separate one. 

544
00:29:06,900 --> 00:29:10,600
So yeah, that's the only reason 
I asked to get to the heart of 

545
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:14,600
that. 
So this is far too depressing to

546
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,900
hear about the, the cop job. 
I got to switch this up. 

547
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:23,400
What is what is voluntourism? 
Well, I I and I actually have a 

548
00:29:23,408 --> 00:29:27,000
distinction between volunteerism
and voluntary ISM. 

549
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:32,000
And so I am a voluntary assist 
so I'm not so much about 

550
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,000
volunteering to do labor for 
others, which is more of the 

551
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,700
volunteer. 
So as a voluntary my thought is 

552
00:29:39,700 --> 00:29:42,700
that everything should be 
voluntary in life. 

553
00:29:42,700 --> 00:29:46,800
Nothing should be coerced. 
We shouldn't Force others or 

554
00:29:47,100 --> 00:29:51,300
intimidate others into doing 
something which is completely 

555
00:29:51,300 --> 00:29:55,700
the opposite of Of police work 
as it currently exists. 

556
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,900
So that's kind of if that was 
your question is, how do I kind 

557
00:29:59,900 --> 00:30:03,500
of describe voluntary ISM? 
And I don't take it beyond that.

558
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,600
Some people will say, well, it's
also being a vegan or it's also 

559
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,800
being an atheist or it's also 
being a Christian or it's also 

560
00:30:10,300 --> 00:30:14,700
believing in this social theory 
or that social theory know all 

561
00:30:14,700 --> 00:30:21,100
it is to as far as I can tell 
and as Carl Wagner says, I and I

562
00:30:21,100 --> 00:30:24,100
asked him this. 
Not long before he died. 

563
00:30:24,100 --> 00:30:27,200
I said, what is the definition 
of voluntarism? 

564
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,600
What is the correct? 
Definition and his response was 

565
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,100
essentially why can tell you 
what? 

566
00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:34,400
I think it is but I don't have 
any right to it. 

567
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,900
It's whatever you want it to 
say. 

568
00:30:36,900 --> 00:30:40,000
I mean I claim no right to say 
that my definition is correct. 

569
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,900
But this is what I think it is. 
And so I think it is everything 

570
00:30:43,900 --> 00:30:47,000
voluntary and part of that and 
this is where I would kind of 

571
00:30:47,100 --> 00:30:49,900
separate the voluntary. 
A stand make the voluntary 

572
00:30:49,900 --> 00:30:55,000
assist a subset of an A list in 
that an anarcho-capitalist might

573
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,600
still participate in the 
political system in India 

574
00:30:59,100 --> 00:31:02,600
elections, and doing petitions. 
And all of that would still 

575
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,300
legitimize governments 
existence. 

576
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:10,500
Whereas the voluntariness would 
just completely stay away 

577
00:31:10,500 --> 00:31:15,300
because the harm done by voting.
Yes to keep guns legal. 

578
00:31:15,300 --> 00:31:18,100
For example. 
Yes, that's one more vote that 

579
00:31:18,100 --> 00:31:21,300
doesn't matter. 
But by placing that vote Into 

580
00:31:21,300 --> 00:31:24,300
The Ballot Box, You have said, 
yes master. 

581
00:31:24,300 --> 00:31:25,900
I agree with the outcome of 
this. 

582
00:31:26,100 --> 00:31:31,000
I agree to engage in your system
to be involved in it. 

583
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,900
And however, it, you know, power
over the chips fall they fall. 

584
00:31:33,900 --> 00:31:37,200
But here's my vote. 
I think that much better moral 

585
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,000
position is to stand back and 
say, no, I'd say you can beat me

586
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,100
up. 
You can shoot me. 

587
00:31:42,100 --> 00:31:45,300
You're in power, you have that 
strength and power over me, but 

588
00:31:45,300 --> 00:31:48,700
I'm not going to kowtow to you 
and pretend that it's okay for 

589
00:31:48,700 --> 00:31:51,300
you to have that. 
So now I'm not going to vote or 

590
00:31:51,300 --> 00:31:54,100
sign petitions. 
For this or that you don't exist

591
00:31:54,100 --> 00:31:57,100
in in my mind Beyond when you're
beating me and that really 

592
00:31:57,100 --> 00:31:59,100
hurts. 
But other than that, you don't 

593
00:31:59,100 --> 00:32:08,400
exist. 
I'm glad I'm glad you made the 

594
00:32:08,700 --> 00:32:11,700
distinction between volunteering
and voluntourism. 

595
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,700
The reason that's important is 
because there was an episode of 

596
00:32:14,700 --> 00:32:18,400
The Young Turks where I mean, 
this is a YouTube channel with 

597
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,900
billions literally billions of 
views and they finally address 

598
00:32:21,900 --> 00:32:24,000
us and Go. 
These idiots. 

599
00:32:24,100 --> 00:32:26,800
They're like communist. 
Basically, they just believe 

600
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,900
everyone's going to volunteer 
for everything and no one needs 

601
00:32:29,900 --> 00:32:32,400
a profit incentive and 
everything's going to be 

602
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,500
perfect. 
These people are idiots and 

603
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,700
Chang Kyu girls. 
Like yeah, these people are 

604
00:32:36,700 --> 00:32:40,000
terrible. 
So it actually means to some 

605
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:45,500
people and then the mental virus
spreads that we literally mean 

606
00:32:45,500 --> 00:32:48,000
people volunteering. 
So it's more about things 

607
00:32:48,700 --> 00:32:53,000
consensual interactions between 
adults in the Mike relm, the 

608
00:32:53,008 --> 00:32:55,700
religious realm, the everything 
realm. 

609
00:32:56,100 --> 00:32:58,700
What do you see? 
As the difference between me? 

610
00:32:58,700 --> 00:33:01,900
Making sure that if I want 
someone to come to my house for 

611
00:33:01,900 --> 00:33:07,300
dinner, I do so voluntarily 
versus me, not letting a 

612
00:33:07,300 --> 00:33:09,900
murderer voluntarily, go to 
jail. 

613
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,100
I would coerce the murderer and 
I'd have a right there, but I 

614
00:33:13,108 --> 00:33:16,300
wouldn't have a right in the 
sense of forcing someone to come

615
00:33:16,300 --> 00:33:18,700
to my house. 
If I just wanted them to spend 

616
00:33:18,700 --> 00:33:20,000
time with me. 
What would you say is the 

617
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:24,400
principled difference? 
You know, just recently, I've 

618
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,700
heard this Theory, I'm 
embarrassed to say that it's 

619
00:33:26,700 --> 00:33:34,300
just recent but that if you 
violate the if you violate this 

620
00:33:34,300 --> 00:33:37,400
General accepted idea between 
people that we're not going to 

621
00:33:37,408 --> 00:33:39,100
initiate violence against each 
other. 

622
00:33:39,100 --> 00:33:44,200
You become a state of nature 
being and as such now, I can 

623
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:48,000
come a day later or six months 
later and you are no longer a 

624
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,500
person who has agreed to these 
these reciprocal rights that 

625
00:33:51,500 --> 00:33:54,600
were the way we're going. 
Treat each other and I'm a now 

626
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,400
attack you and take you into a 
cage. 

627
00:33:58,100 --> 00:34:01,000
I am not sure though. 
This is the argument that I've 

628
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,900
heard recently from very smart 
people and I'm thinking about it

629
00:34:04,900 --> 00:34:06,600
and letting it bounce around in 
my head. 

630
00:34:06,700 --> 00:34:10,500
It sounds too much to me still 
like a type of a social 

631
00:34:10,500 --> 00:34:12,800
contract, which I don't believe 
exists. 

632
00:34:13,500 --> 00:34:17,900
I like it much better than 
Russo's but I still don't know 

633
00:34:17,900 --> 00:34:21,300
that social contracts can exist 
and I have a feeling that the 

634
00:34:21,300 --> 00:34:24,100
people who are arguing this, To 
me aren't saying that I probably

635
00:34:24,100 --> 00:34:27,300
am not just understanding yet, 
but that's kind of the 

636
00:34:27,300 --> 00:34:30,600
justification. 
To me, is, if you haven't, if 

637
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,300
you haven't started the fight, 
then I can't come and start one 

638
00:34:34,300 --> 00:34:36,500
with you. 
But if you start the fight with 

639
00:34:36,500 --> 00:34:40,000
me, now, I can finish it with 
you or at least try. 

640
00:34:40,100 --> 00:34:44,699
I can continue the fight with 
you morally and so I see it as 

641
00:34:45,100 --> 00:34:46,199
being. 
Okay. 

642
00:34:46,300 --> 00:34:50,300
Now, my other third favorite, I 
think my favorite way of looking

643
00:34:50,300 --> 00:34:53,900
at this and I could be wrong. 
Is Can roses conflict, 

644
00:34:53,900 --> 00:35:00,400
equilibrium Theory or concept 
and that is that we will just as

645
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,700
a community. 
You don't know what, I'll put up

646
00:35:03,700 --> 00:35:06,100
with and I don't know what 
you'll put up with, but I have a

647
00:35:06,100 --> 00:35:09,300
feeling that if I come over and 
I kill someone in your front 

648
00:35:09,300 --> 00:35:11,200
yard, you're not going to put up
with it. 

649
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,300
You'll probably come out. 
You'll call a few neighbors and 

650
00:35:13,300 --> 00:35:14,900
say, I'm going to go in the yard
and kill Shepherd. 

651
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,900
Anybody want to come join? 
Me and your Naples go. 

652
00:35:16,900 --> 00:35:19,600
Wow, Keith is a really cool, 
dude, and he's level-headed. 

653
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,100
And if he's going to go out in 
the yard and kill somebody 

654
00:35:21,100 --> 00:35:23,600
probably has a good reason. 
And they're going to come along 

655
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:24,800
with you and they'll be okay 
with that. 

656
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,400
And I'll say why do you just 
kill shepper? 

657
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:27,800
Do it? 
He just came in and killed 

658
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,500
several of my family members and
I'll be okay. 

659
00:35:29,500 --> 00:35:30,700
Keith. 
He did a good job. 

660
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:35,000
Whereas if I do something like 
throw a cigarette butt on your 

661
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,700
front lawn and you come out and 
you shoot me, your neighbors is,

662
00:35:37,700 --> 00:35:39,200
hey Keith, but you had a good 
reason. 

663
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,100
Why do you just kill Shepherd? 
He's really threw a cigarette 

664
00:35:41,100 --> 00:35:44,600
butt on my front yard and they 
said wait a minute, that ain't 

665
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,600
cool. 
And then they are not going to 

666
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,200
want to live around somebody who
kills pedestrians walking by 

667
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,600
with just throw cigarette butts 
down and An equilibrium will be 

668
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,900
met, they will then attack you 
and then you will learn. 

669
00:35:56,900 --> 00:36:00,200
Oh, I don't get to kill people 
who throw cigarette butts in my 

670
00:36:00,300 --> 00:36:02,700
lawn. 
And so this whole equilibrium 

671
00:36:02,700 --> 00:36:05,600
idea. 
It seems to me to be much more 

672
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,400
pragmatic. 
It's not a law or a rule. 

673
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:14,100
It just seems to be how things 
probably work absent a 

674
00:36:14,100 --> 00:36:17,100
government. 
I would think that that's how 

675
00:36:17,100 --> 00:36:19,500
they would work, but I can't say
they would that's a complex 

676
00:36:19,500 --> 00:36:21,300
problem. 
That be like me pretending. 

677
00:36:21,300 --> 00:36:24,000
I could be a politician and say,
hey if everybody works, if a 

678
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,500
sniper, everybody will feel 
great for the rest of their 

679
00:36:26,500 --> 00:36:28,400
lives. 
I can't predict that stuff. 

680
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,700
I don't know, but it's my idea. 
Exactly. 

681
00:36:31,700 --> 00:36:35,600
And that's the type of humility.
You have to have going into any 

682
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,600
sort of moral or competitive 
system. 

683
00:36:38,700 --> 00:36:43,800
So the either you agree with the
idea that Shepherd just laid 

684
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,300
out, or you think it's the Then 
you've ever heard in that case. 

685
00:36:47,300 --> 00:36:50,200
Make sure you don't Advocate a 
system of statism, where 

686
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,700
Shepherd can force you to fund 
his bad ideas. 

687
00:36:52,900 --> 00:36:56,600
And there's no way of opting 
out, so there's just no 

688
00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,600
justification for the existence 
of a state. 

689
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,300
Amen. 
One. 

690
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,900
One thing that when I was first 
a voluntarist, I'm sorry. 

691
00:37:07,100 --> 00:37:09,100
Let me go back to how you became
a voluntarist. 

692
00:37:09,500 --> 00:37:14,100
What were the main things that 
convinced you to embrace the 

693
00:37:14,100 --> 00:37:17,900
philosophy of volunteerism? 
Oh, well, there were I think I 

694
00:37:17,908 --> 00:37:20,400
have three things. 
One was the joke. 

695
00:37:20,500 --> 00:37:23,800
It was actually a status buddy, 
that got me into libertarianism 

696
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,000
into the Ron Paul movement. 
This was in 2007. 

697
00:37:27,500 --> 00:37:30,200
He told me the joke about, you 
know, what's the difference 

698
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,400
between a Libertarian in a 
voluntary assist? 

699
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,000
And the correct answer is about 
six months unless you're really 

700
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,700
slow like me and then it's two 
years. 

701
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,900
And so I heard that Matt really 
made me think because I'm 

702
00:37:41,100 --> 00:37:43,500
obviously, if I was a cop, I 
have some self-esteem issues. 

703
00:37:43,700 --> 00:37:45,400
And so I like to think that I'm 
really smart. 

704
00:37:45,500 --> 00:37:48,000
And such. 
So I'm thinking we'll wait a 

705
00:37:48,008 --> 00:37:49,800
minute if I'm smart. 
I should be getting somewhere in

706
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,900
six months. 
And so that was hoof little 

707
00:37:52,900 --> 00:37:55,500
impetus thing. 
And then another was listening 

708
00:37:55,500 --> 00:38:01,000
to Tom woods and Doug Casey in 
their debate is limited 

709
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,400
government and oxymoron. 
That was kind of my 

710
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,100
introduction. 
And then at the same time I 

711
00:38:06,107 --> 00:38:11,900
became interested in logic and I
was looking up logic and I came 

712
00:38:11,900 --> 00:38:17,100
across a guy that at that point 
was a Voluntarist philosopher 

713
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:22,000
and he has since changed his 
position, but he had some bit of

714
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,600
work. 
I when I looked up logical 

715
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,200
fallacies, he had a video and I 
watched it and I really liked 

716
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,300
it. 
And then I ended up watching 

717
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:34,000
many hundreds, more of his 
podcasts on freedomain radio. 

718
00:38:34,100 --> 00:38:37,200
I watched hundreds more are not 
watched listen to hundreds more 

719
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:41,100
of his podcasts and that was 
kind of the foundation. 

720
00:38:41,100 --> 00:38:45,800
And then Then got into more in 
deeper parts of it. 

721
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,800
But yeah, those are those three 
things were my beginning. 

722
00:38:49,100 --> 00:38:52,600
Now, what would you say? 
I promise there's going to be a 

723
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:54,900
there's a logic to this 
question. 

724
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:59,000
What is the hardest part of the 
job of being a police officer? 

725
00:39:02,500 --> 00:39:06,800
Dealing with supervisors, 
dealing with every situation. 

726
00:39:06,900 --> 00:39:09,100
Yeah, you're not. 
You think you're tough. 

727
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,200
You think you're a great 
fighter? 

728
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,200
You think, you know, I've all 
this training and in, not a 

729
00:39:14,207 --> 00:39:17,100
martial arts, but an arrest and 
control and in shooting and 

730
00:39:17,500 --> 00:39:19,700
like, I can handle myself on the
street, especially since all my 

731
00:39:19,700 --> 00:39:22,200
partners are on the way. 
So you're not scared of bad. 

732
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:23,300
Guys. 
They don't bug you at all. 

733
00:39:23,300 --> 00:39:25,200
They, they do what they got to 
do. 

734
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,900
You do what you got to do? 
And the only problem comes when 

735
00:39:27,900 --> 00:39:31,700
you have to deal with admin, so 
that's by far, the biggest 

736
00:39:31,700 --> 00:39:33,900
stress. 
Interesting. 

737
00:39:34,300 --> 00:39:36,600
Are you familiar with what is 
generally? 

738
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,400
Now, you know, Loosely referred 
to as a Waco logic where it's 

739
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:44,600
the idea of the officers. 
They will commit total 

740
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,100
atrocities that they know are 
wrong, but they're only doing it

741
00:39:48,100 --> 00:39:52,400
because of a greater good. 
In other words, you know, with 

742
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,500
it's based off the show time 
show Waco Series, where the 

743
00:39:56,500 --> 00:40:00,300
guy's like, why are you spending
all this time and all this money

744
00:40:00,700 --> 00:40:02,600
to get these people, you've been
out. 

745
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,100
For 30, 40, 50 days. 
Now, these people didn't do 

746
00:40:06,100 --> 00:40:07,800
anything besides defend 
themselves. 

747
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,000
The first day, you came in 
pointing guns at innocent 

748
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:14,000
people, what's going on with 
this and there and the cops 

749
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,900
reasoning again. 
This is a show, not documentary,

750
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:21,600
but the cops reasoning was well,
you see these people resisted us

751
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:25,100
and if we don't bring them to 
justice, get the best of them. 

752
00:40:25,100 --> 00:40:28,900
Kill them have a big show of 
force to let everyone know to 

753
00:40:28,900 --> 00:40:32,300
not get any ideas. 
Then what were basically doing 

754
00:40:32,300 --> 00:40:37,300
is him the green light to any, 
you know, any anyone who sort of

755
00:40:37,300 --> 00:40:41,400
gets curious with bomb-making, 
anyone who thinks that they can 

756
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:45,100
start doing bad things. 
So really, no matter what we do.

757
00:40:45,100 --> 00:40:47,800
We are just here to bring Law 
and Order. 

758
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,800
So, when you're talking to 
someone like that, how do you 

759
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,700
communicate, the principles of 
volunteerism to someone who has 

760
00:40:54,700 --> 00:40:58,000
that mindset? 
I don't try. 

761
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:04,300
I applaud Howard with a thick 
red line for His program and I 

762
00:41:04,300 --> 00:41:06,000
think he has the best chance of 
anything. 

763
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,700
I've heard of in the last 
year's. 

764
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:12,400
But you don't, when I was a cop,
I didn't think of myself as a 

765
00:41:12,500 --> 00:41:16,500
philosopher. 
It just wasn't even like, you 

766
00:41:16,500 --> 00:41:18,700
realize Keith how geeky? 
We are right now. 

767
00:41:18,700 --> 00:41:23,900
We are we are states away 
talking over the Internet about 

768
00:41:23,900 --> 00:41:26,700
philosophy and morality and Big 
Ideas. 

769
00:41:26,700 --> 00:41:30,600
Like what kind of nerds are we? 
Well, when I was a cop, I wasn't

770
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,500
a nerd. 
I was a cool, dude, you could 

771
00:41:32,500 --> 00:41:33,900
have Seen me on the football 
field. 

772
00:41:33,900 --> 00:41:37,400
I was a real red-blooded 
American, do what's right kind 

773
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,000
of guy. 
So I would have never I would 

774
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,200
have laughed at the future me 
and you having this 

775
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,600
conversation. 
I wouldn't have even entered the

776
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,500
conversation. 
It was completely whacko to even

777
00:41:48,700 --> 00:41:52,700
speaking of Waco to even think 
of that, that kind of stuff. 

778
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,800
So that's one point. 
Another point would be 

779
00:41:55,900 --> 00:41:59,700
somebody's paying me what? 
I'm getting paid plus. 

780
00:41:59,700 --> 00:42:02,600
Giving me all this Authority 
when I go to a fundraiser. 

781
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,500
The local family's house that 
burned down at the beginning of 

782
00:42:06,508 --> 00:42:08,100
the fundraiser. 
When the persons up giving the 

783
00:42:08,100 --> 00:42:10,600
little talk. 
They say, we'll all the former 

784
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,500
military and law enforcement. 
Please stand up and then you 

785
00:42:13,500 --> 00:42:16,300
stand up and the community claps
for you. 

786
00:42:16,300 --> 00:42:19,400
So if you're a words of 
affirmation kind of language 

787
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:24,300
guy, like I am with a ego, like 
that's a really big paycheck 

788
00:42:24,300 --> 00:42:26,000
right there. 
And then you're getting your 

789
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,700
regular paychecks and you're 
getting your health insurance 

790
00:42:29,700 --> 00:42:31,700
completely paid for medical 
dental. 

791
00:42:31,700 --> 00:42:34,400
Like it's a cool deal. 
While you're getting your 401k, 

792
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:38,700
you're getting your your 
retirement and it is it was 

793
00:42:38,700 --> 00:42:46,200
really in my mind. 
It was a huge deal to, I mean, I

794
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:50,300
thought that I was just in a 
good position and your ultimate 

795
00:42:50,300 --> 00:42:55,700
goal is not to follow one of the
tens of thousands of pages of 

796
00:42:55,700 --> 00:42:58,600
study you had in the academy 
whether or not it was in the US,

797
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,100
government's Constitution or not
your job. 

798
00:43:01,100 --> 00:43:02,600
That's not your ultimate job, 
your ultimate job. 

799
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,900
To keep your job. 
Keep this sweet thing going 

800
00:43:06,100 --> 00:43:10,900
because you only have 18 more 
years or seven more years until 

801
00:43:10,900 --> 00:43:14,300
you can retire and get away from
these darn lieutenants and 

802
00:43:14,300 --> 00:43:16,200
captains and Chiefs that are 
making your life. 

803
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,500
Such hell, that's your your 
ultimate goal. 

804
00:43:19,500 --> 00:43:21,900
So you're getting paid by 
somebody to do something. 

805
00:43:22,100 --> 00:43:24,300
You think it's right because 
you're not willing to look into 

806
00:43:24,300 --> 00:43:27,600
philosophy and social science 
and realize it's wrong. 

807
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,600
So there's nothing. 
I don't think there's anything 

808
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:38,700
you could have said to To me 
when I was a police officer that

809
00:43:38,700 --> 00:43:40,600
would have would have changed my
mind. 

810
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,100
I just, I wouldn't have been 
interested in the conversation 

811
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:46,700
as soon as you started the 
conversation, even if it was 

812
00:43:46,700 --> 00:43:50,900
nice and kind and gentle which 
is the only way to do it. 

813
00:43:50,900 --> 00:43:55,800
I think if you're going to win, 
I don't think that's gonna do 

814
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,600
the trick now. 
Sure, they'll placate you. 

815
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,000
I just want to toss this out. 
The cop will placate you and if 

816
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:06,300
you come up to You say, just so,
you know, I'm a sovereign man or

817
00:44:06,500 --> 00:44:09,200
just so, you know, no human 
being has the right to initiate 

818
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,300
violence against someone else. 
So, I gotta, hey, man, you got a

819
00:44:11,308 --> 00:44:12,800
good point, man. 
Hey, you have a good one now 

820
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,000
face, and then they'll make 
their escape just like any 

821
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,300
annoying person. 
They talk to you that you talk 

822
00:44:18,300 --> 00:44:20,400
to you like, hey, man, good 
talking to, you gotta go and 

823
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,500
then walk away. 
That's what I would have done. 

824
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,100
So sorry to interrupt. 
Yeah. 

825
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:26,200
No. 
No, please. 

826
00:44:26,300 --> 00:44:29,400
Um, I'm just thinking of, yeah, 
I get that. 

827
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:33,800
A lot of people in that position
are the least Fertile ground to 

828
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,100
listen to logic because not only
is there the intellectual 

829
00:44:37,100 --> 00:44:40,900
cognitive dissidence. 
There's the this means I've been

830
00:44:40,900 --> 00:44:45,700
partaking personally and 
something totally immoral and it

831
00:44:45,700 --> 00:44:48,100
means my income is a moral and 
I'd have to get a different job.

832
00:44:48,100 --> 00:44:51,400
So it's almost impossible to get
them logically on board. 

833
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,800
Is there anything you can do to 
increase the amount of 

834
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:59,400
insecurity that they have with 
inflicting the worst parts of 

835
00:44:59,408 --> 00:45:02,500
their position because if 
they're just doing murderers, 

836
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,800
Some kidnappers. 
Well, then we're almost there to

837
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,100
the voluntary Society where they
just need voluntary funding and 

838
00:45:09,100 --> 00:45:12,300
then they're just like me and 
you who have a focus on security

839
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:17,200
and and stopping aggressors. 
Is there anything you could sort

840
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,100
of plant the seed, in, to the 
mindset of the officer that 

841
00:45:20,100 --> 00:45:23,000
would increase the amount of 
insecurity, they have with 

842
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,100
regards to their justification 
for initiating violence. 

843
00:45:27,300 --> 00:45:30,500
Yes, I don't, it's not 
measurable. 

844
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,900
And as I said, now as a business
person, everything has to be 

845
00:45:33,900 --> 00:45:36,900
measurable. 
And so this doesn't thrill me in

846
00:45:36,900 --> 00:45:42,500
that way, but I think a huge 
huge thing that you could do, 

847
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:48,300
would be to just show sympathy 
to them and overt. 

848
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:52,200
Sympathy. 
I was, I had two tickets in the 

849
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,700
last 30 years, and they were 
both within the last year and a 

850
00:45:55,707 --> 00:45:57,900
half. 
And one of them, I Over a tall 

851
00:45:57,900 --> 00:46:02,600
mountain pass in the wintertime.
And I had a trailer on behind my

852
00:46:03,300 --> 00:46:05,800
the truck. 
And I didn't even think of it, 

853
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,900
and there's a trailer law. 
So the ticket was four hundred 

854
00:46:07,900 --> 00:46:10,900
and sixty bucks. 
And as the guy gave me the 

855
00:46:10,900 --> 00:46:14,600
ticket, I said, hey man, as I'm 
sorry, you have to do this. 

856
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,900
I said, you know, no victim here
and they're putting you in a 

857
00:46:16,908 --> 00:46:19,500
position that you have to do 
something like this to me. 

858
00:46:19,500 --> 00:46:22,300
And as I did it for a long time,
and I just I couldn't live with 

859
00:46:22,300 --> 00:46:24,200
myself. 
But sorry if you do that, man, 

860
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,900
and it was completely nice. 
But that planted the seed and 

861
00:46:28,900 --> 00:46:31,200
he's thinking wait. 
I've never had anybody 

862
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:36,300
apologize. 
To me for me, having to do to 

863
00:46:36,300 --> 00:46:39,500
them, what I do, huh? 
And that might be something that

864
00:46:39,500 --> 00:46:42,600
would make them, think about it 
a little bit. 

865
00:46:43,700 --> 00:46:47,400
I really think that as much as I
was against their strategy years

866
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,900
ago. 
Pete are and all the other folks

867
00:46:49,900 --> 00:46:52,400
that that did Cop Block and all 
that. 

868
00:46:53,900 --> 00:46:55,900
I didn't believe it back at the 
time. 

869
00:46:55,900 --> 00:46:59,800
But now I've got to say, they 
have they and their types. 

870
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,400
And now this horrible man, James
Freeman. 

871
00:47:03,700 --> 00:47:09,100
Are just making cops lives. 
So miserable that like, who 

872
00:47:09,100 --> 00:47:12,400
wants to be a cop anymore and 
the more people that don't want 

873
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,900
to be the more that, okay. 
Well now now cops can have 

874
00:47:15,900 --> 00:47:17,400
tattoos all over the place. 
Okay. 

875
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,900
Now they don't have to show 
shave their goatees because we 

876
00:47:19,900 --> 00:47:21,300
need more cops. 
And okay. 

877
00:47:21,300 --> 00:47:24,600
Now we can lower this standard 
in this standard in this 

878
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,400
standard and now we have to pay 
more and pay more. 

879
00:47:27,900 --> 00:47:30,600
And before you know, it it's 
going to be like a cast from 

880
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:35,400
idiocracy getting paid. 300 
Grand a year because all the 

881
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:39,500
people who just don't want to 
deal with people being jerks to 

882
00:47:39,500 --> 00:47:40,700
him. 
They're off. 

883
00:47:40,700 --> 00:47:43,500
Now making ten times more money 
than they did as a cop doing 

884
00:47:43,500 --> 00:47:48,500
productive things. 
And like that's the I think 

885
00:47:48,500 --> 00:47:52,800
that's the way to go. 
It'll actually be like the 

886
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:57,700
Village People. 
One Cop a bunch of crazy people.

887
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,100
I'll push together. 
Yeah, and it's not just For 

888
00:48:03,100 --> 00:48:08,700
police that sometimes using a 
logical methods of about getting

889
00:48:08,700 --> 00:48:11,600
your point across. 
So often it actually is using 

890
00:48:11,700 --> 00:48:14,700
logical fallacies. 
You like government so much. 

891
00:48:14,700 --> 00:48:17,500
Why don't you move to North 
Korea, your you're such a 

892
00:48:17,508 --> 00:48:23,000
tyrant, or you look like you 
look like a fag in that costume.

893
00:48:23,100 --> 00:48:24,500
You just do. 
I'm sorry. 

894
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,500
That might do more to encourage 
their insecurities than 

895
00:48:28,500 --> 00:48:31,100
explaining the principles of 
Austrian economics and 

896
00:48:31,100 --> 00:48:34,200
non-aggression ever will. 
It just because that's the 

897
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,700
method I'm always into using 
rationality. 

898
00:48:36,900 --> 00:48:40,700
But sometimes it's insults. 
Sometimes it's just chopping at 

899
00:48:40,700 --> 00:48:43,200
their ego. 
Sometimes it's saying none of 

900
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,100
us, think you're cool. 
If you do that, just as it's a 

901
00:48:45,107 --> 00:48:48,000
big incentive. 
It has to be just a hit of 

902
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,600
dopamine. 
Every time someone says, thank 

903
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,400
you for your service. 
Someone, who I don't even know, 

904
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:54,900
likes me. 
Wow. 

905
00:48:54,900 --> 00:48:57,400
Look at this power. 
I have, I'm gonna get a pension 

906
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,900
people stand up and clap for me 
for doing my job. 

907
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,300
It's like, I mean, there's other
The people who produce food, 

908
00:49:04,300 --> 00:49:06,200
which we need to live and 
shelter. 

909
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:07,600
They don't get a round of 
applause. 

910
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,900
I get a round of applause. 
So so yeah, I'm just constantly 

911
00:49:11,900 --> 00:49:16,800
looking for any ideas to what 
chip away at the status mindset,

912
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,000
anything else that comes to mind
with may be planting a seed with

913
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,400
officers and their 
co-conspirators in the military.

914
00:49:23,900 --> 00:49:27,000
You know, I actually think that 
the idea of insulting them. 

915
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,400
I would twist that to do it in a
way. 

916
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,400
And I forget what the saying is 
that, I heard recently that I 

917
00:49:32,408 --> 00:49:37,800
just Loved you should never 
insult someone in a way that 

918
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,500
they know that you're insulting 
them are, that's the sign of 

919
00:49:40,500 --> 00:49:46,300
class or something. 
And so I think in maybe instead 

920
00:49:46,300 --> 00:49:50,000
of in the example you gave of 
you look like a fag in that. 

921
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,300
Getup you have on is just saying
something like, hey, ii-i'm 

922
00:49:54,900 --> 00:49:56,500
completely want to be compliant 
here. 

923
00:49:56,500 --> 00:49:58,900
I mean, you're obviously you're 
the one with the costume. 

924
00:49:58,900 --> 00:50:00,600
You're the one with a golden 
brooch on your chest. 

925
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,600
I'm not, I'm not, I don't have 
your Authority. 

926
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,000
Well, by planting those seeds of
rather than calling it a uniform

927
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,200
calling to costume and rather 
than a badge a golden brooch 

928
00:50:11,500 --> 00:50:13,800
later. 
When their buddies are saying. 

929
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:15,900
Yeah, man, we get to speed 
because we got a brass pass we 

930
00:50:15,900 --> 00:50:18,900
can just flash if we get pulled 
over when they start thinking 

931
00:50:18,900 --> 00:50:20,600
that they're going to think 
golden Brooke. 

932
00:50:21,300 --> 00:50:24,400
Oh man, there's a chance. 
Who knows but I think 

933
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,700
psychologically that's a that 
that could be a good thing and I

934
00:50:27,700 --> 00:50:32,000
think befriending cops and being
very blunt with them. 

935
00:50:33,100 --> 00:50:35,500
In a very nice way, but you say,
hey, beware. 

936
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,100
Hey, it's good to beat your 
neighbor. 

937
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,300
I live down there at, you know, 
123 at the corner of walk and 

938
00:50:40,300 --> 00:50:41,700
don't walk. 
And if you ever need to borrow a

939
00:50:41,707 --> 00:50:43,200
lawn mower or anything, I'm 
there for you. 

940
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,400
Just come on down. 
Then, you know, try to be a good

941
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:47,700
neighbor. 
I'm a voluntary this, which is 

942
00:50:47,707 --> 00:50:49,900
another word for being an 
anarchist, but just come down 

943
00:50:49,900 --> 00:50:51,300
here. 
So we're going to have to, you 

944
00:50:51,300 --> 00:50:52,300
know, you have to go or some 
beer. 

945
00:50:52,300 --> 00:50:54,800
We're going to have to Hash this
out sometime and they're gonna 

946
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:56,500
be like, wow. 
I met this Anarchist and he was 

947
00:50:56,500 --> 00:50:58,900
like, joking around about 
himself and being really cool 

948
00:50:58,900 --> 00:51:05,100
and invited me over for a beer, 
like that is how In time that's 

949
00:51:05,100 --> 00:51:08,600
going to help the next person 
who's getting pulled over and 

950
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,900
they say, hey, wait, I see you 
have some Anarchist literature. 

951
00:51:10,900 --> 00:51:12,200
Oh, Anarchist. 
That's the cool guy. 

952
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,600
Down the street who invited me 
over for a beer. 

953
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,200
I think it's just it's a 
marketing and sales thing. 

954
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,900
It's if you're a Jehovah's 
Witness and you want to get a 

955
00:51:20,908 --> 00:51:22,700
bunch of people to join. 
What should you do? 

956
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:24,400
Be cool. 
Make people like you? 

957
00:51:25,500 --> 00:51:29,500
Well, okay, maybe that's not a 
good example, but if you want to

958
00:51:29,500 --> 00:51:32,400
sell something be likable, be 
nice, be approachable. 

959
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:37,100
Be Honest be truthful set a good
example short yet. 

960
00:51:37,100 --> 00:51:42,100
Definitely disarming people with
kindness has worked on me a lot.

961
00:51:42,100 --> 00:51:45,100
I've had so many where you know,
I'm driving to this meeting or 

962
00:51:45,100 --> 00:51:46,100
I'm waiting to call someone a 
time. 

963
00:51:46,100 --> 00:51:48,900
Like, I am going to rip them on 
minutes. 

964
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:50,600
I'm going to tell them about 
this. 

965
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:54,200
I'm so pissed off and then I'll 
call and I'll be like Keith man.

966
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,700
What's happening Brother? 
I've been waiting to hear you 

967
00:51:56,700 --> 00:51:58,500
call it. 
I'm like, I just wanted to see 

968
00:51:58,500 --> 00:52:02,600
how everything was. 
Yes, and it's not that it's a 

969
00:52:03,300 --> 00:52:06,700
It'll just be like wait, I guess
it wasn't that big of a deal. 

970
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:11,000
I was just feeling like I needed
to meet their assertiveness with

971
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,400
more assertiveness and let them 
know that I won't be pushed 

972
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,200
around, but when they, you know,
treated me with respect, it was 

973
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,600
like, okay. 
Now I'm going to put my shield 

974
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,200
down and and I don't see was a 
total threat. 

975
00:52:21,300 --> 00:52:25,600
So now we can have much more of 
a honest conversation. 

976
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,000
That is something that you 
mentioned freedomain radio and 

977
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:34,400
Stefan molyneux, and he was 
definitely someone Me, that got 

978
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,300
me seeing things. 
Clearly, with regards to the 

979
00:52:37,300 --> 00:52:41,100
state. 
I came across his video arguing.

980
00:52:41,500 --> 00:52:43,900
No, it's not arguing. 
It's called the truth about 

981
00:52:43,900 --> 00:52:46,900
slavery. 
That was before, I knew anything

982
00:52:46,900 --> 00:52:49,800
about libertarianism or 
voluntourism, and it was just a 

983
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:54,200
history of slavery. 
I was so young at the time that 

984
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,700
I'm more or less thought slavery
was a thing invented by the 

985
00:52:57,700 --> 00:53:01,200
American founding fathers, and 
then was finally put away with 

986
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:05,100
when I I have said FDR. 
I'm not I'm not even sure if I 

987
00:53:05,100 --> 00:53:08,300
would have said Lincoln to go to
US Government schools or 

988
00:53:08,308 --> 00:53:13,500
something and it's never because
someone said they invented 

989
00:53:13,500 --> 00:53:15,900
slavery. 
It was always, you know, there's

990
00:53:15,900 --> 00:53:19,000
something that needs to be 
addressed about these Founders 

991
00:53:19,300 --> 00:53:22,600
and they had slavery, that's 
what makes them unique if that's

992
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,900
what makes them unique. 
This must have been getting some

993
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:29,900
invention right here. 
So when it comes to what about 

994
00:53:29,900 --> 00:53:32,700
molyneux's work is so important 
or that persuaded you. 

995
00:53:32,700 --> 00:53:37,700
What was it about freedomain 
radio, you know, part of it was 

996
00:53:37,700 --> 00:53:39,400
and he said, yeah, I know he's 
off putting. 

997
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:43,000
I know he's narcissistic and I 
know, he's mean to people, and 

998
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:44,200
excuse me. 
Excuse me. 

999
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:44,900
I'm sorry. 
I'm sorry. 

1000
00:53:44,900 --> 00:53:49,500
And then charges right over them
like a bull and I tried 

1001
00:53:49,500 --> 00:53:51,400
introduce people to him and 
everybody's hated him for that 

1002
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,800
reason. 
And, however, I looked through 

1003
00:53:54,800 --> 00:54:00,600
that because he was logical so 
much of what he said just made 

1004
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:05,700
sense, and even though I'm not a
Say I'm unlike the other 99% of 

1005
00:54:05,900 --> 00:54:10,000
voluntariness who are computer 
software programmer, engineer 

1006
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,900
designers, not in that industry.
I'm the one guy that isn't even 

1007
00:54:13,900 --> 00:54:16,700
though I'm that guy. 
I still kind of like to think 

1008
00:54:16,700 --> 00:54:20,400
analytically. 
And if you tell me two plus two,

1009
00:54:21,100 --> 00:54:23,100
what does that equal? 
I said, well, I really want it 

1010
00:54:23,100 --> 00:54:26,200
to equal 5. 
Well the person who's into logic

1011
00:54:26,300 --> 00:54:30,600
or engineering or anything like 
this is no unfortunately two 

1012
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,300
plus two equals four and I wish 
it was 52. 

1013
00:54:33,300 --> 00:54:36,900
So do you but since it equals 4,
we're going to have to go with 

1014
00:54:36,900 --> 00:54:39,500
four. 
And I think that's the challenge

1015
00:54:39,500 --> 00:54:43,600
that so many people have is, 
well, no, no military can't be 

1016
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:45,900
bad because my dad actually 
served. 

1017
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:48,600
And then to look and say, well, 
okay. 

1018
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,700
That's a logical, fallacy know 
that, that doesn't make it. 

1019
00:54:51,700 --> 00:54:57,000
Okay. 
I think that, that that love for

1020
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:01,900
logic is what. 
For me, brought me around and 

1021
00:55:01,900 --> 00:55:04,400
made me recognize truths that 
beforehand. 

1022
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:08,400
I didn't want to see or just, I 
couldn't even see a different 

1023
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,900
color lenses that were red. 
And so, of course, you can't say

1024
00:55:11,900 --> 00:55:14,700
green, if you have red lenses 
on, I had to put on clear 

1025
00:55:14,700 --> 00:55:17,200
lenses. 
And now I say, That and that's 

1026
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,900
I'm going to call myself out. 
Just like you did when we spoke 

1027
00:55:20,100 --> 00:55:21,100
a while back. 
You like. 

1028
00:55:21,100 --> 00:55:24,600
Yeah, you call it and clear 
that's a little bit, you know, 

1029
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,400
that's biased and it absolutely 
is in 5 years. 

1030
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:32,300
I could come to realize that the
real true truth in life. 

1031
00:55:32,300 --> 00:55:36,500
The clear glasses are being a 
good Republican. 

1032
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:38,000
Who knows? 
I could come up. 

1033
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,300
Yeah, if I don't regress, but 
who knows. 

1034
00:55:41,300 --> 00:55:44,000
But at this point, I think that 
that that logic is the 

1035
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:48,800
foundation with which we can And
various social theories and then

1036
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:52,700
pick them apart and decide this 
does kind of make more sense. 

1037
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:57,500
Yeah, and it is true what you 
said about needing to put a good

1038
00:55:57,500 --> 00:56:00,800
face on something before, you 
know, people will accept it. 

1039
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:04,400
Because as great as molyneux has
I know people that hear the 

1040
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,000
word. 
I said, the I said his name in 

1041
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:12,000
front of someone the other day 
and she just goes, could not. 

1042
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:15,900
Look only responded with sound 
cover eyes for us. 

1043
00:56:17,700 --> 00:56:18,700
And I go. 
Okay. 

1044
00:56:19,100 --> 00:56:21,200
I'm just gonna have to use a 
different mechanism and you know

1045
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:24,500
it as much as I like to say, I 
came to this totally logically 

1046
00:56:24,500 --> 00:56:28,200
by applying principles 
consistently, you know, had I 

1047
00:56:28,207 --> 00:56:31,400
not met a bunch of people who I 
thought were men artists who 

1048
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,600
turned out to be an artist. 
I don't know if I ever would 

1049
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,200
have even considered it. 
I just remember being at this 

1050
00:56:37,500 --> 00:56:41,700
seminar and this it was Isaac 
Morehouse. 

1051
00:56:41,700 --> 00:56:46,300
I'm sure I could tell it and I 
said, Isaac, I'm not this guy. 

1052
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:50,500
Guy in there, who like doesn't 
believe in government at all. 

1053
00:56:50,700 --> 00:56:54,800
Isn't that isn't that wild? 
He goes neither, do I goes and 

1054
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,100
anything anything, the state can
do, the market can do better 

1055
00:56:58,100 --> 00:57:01,400
that, that Society needs at 
least more or less than should 

1056
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,400
be voluntary. 
And he gave me the, you know, 

1057
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,400
difference between a Min artist 
and an anarchist six months, 

1058
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:08,600
kind of thing. 
And I go. 

1059
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:10,700
Oh my God, Isaac's one of them 
too. 

1060
00:57:10,900 --> 00:57:13,000
So what was it? 
So I in the conversation that 

1061
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,300
I'm sitting around a table. 
I'm God. 

1062
00:57:15,300 --> 00:57:17,900
I must have been 15 or 16. 
At the time. 

1063
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:22,900
I had gotten a cigar and I got 
to the cool guy table where all 

1064
00:57:22,900 --> 00:57:26,400
the professor's were talking 
and, and I didn't have anything 

1065
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,600
to contribute. 
I'm just sitting there listening

1066
00:57:28,900 --> 00:57:33,000
and someone goes kid. 
How did you first of all, are 

1067
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,000
you 18? 
Not because we care, because we 

1068
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:38,000
don't want to get in trouble. 
How did you come to a place like

1069
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:41,000
this? 
And I, and I explained how, you 

1070
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:45,000
know, a friend of mine. 
Gave me a tip on great up 

1071
00:57:45,300 --> 00:57:46,900
libertarian meet up. 
And I go. 

1072
00:57:47,100 --> 00:57:51,100
Yeah, and you know, it's crazy. 
I mean I've even met some manner

1073
00:57:51,100 --> 00:57:52,800
because so it's been a wild 
ride. 

1074
00:57:53,100 --> 00:57:56,000
And he goes, yeah, that's pretty
much what, what what all of us 

1075
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,200
are. 
And I look around the table. 

1076
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:01,300
And it's these guys in nice 
suits, drinking, scotch on the 

1077
00:58:01,300 --> 00:58:04,700
rocks with these nice cigars, 
who I've been knowing, you know,

1078
00:58:04,700 --> 00:58:07,300
we're getting to know and says, 
and see how smart they are 

1079
00:58:07,500 --> 00:58:09,400
hearing that they were in our 
guess I go. 

1080
00:58:09,700 --> 00:58:11,900
Wait. 
So I can be this an Argus 

1081
00:58:11,900 --> 00:58:16,200
without being a bandana wearing 
through trash cans. 

1082
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:20,700
Our okay maybe I will consider 
it after all so it's not always 

1083
00:58:20,700 --> 00:58:25,800
logic but what are some other 
logical fallacies that you think

1084
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:27,500
are important for people to be 
aware of. 

1085
00:58:27,500 --> 00:58:31,500
So they are not to be 
manipulated by the ideology of 

1086
00:58:31,500 --> 00:58:35,400
statism. 
You know, I think ad hominem is 

1087
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:40,600
a favorite but I say ad hominem.
I think that has Latin Origins, 

1088
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:46,600
but here's what I'm thinking is 
knowing the names of Chuckle 

1089
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:52,300
fallacies is not as important as
understanding when somebody uses

1090
00:58:52,300 --> 00:58:57,000
something that's wrong. 
So I know more than most people 

1091
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:58,800
about logical. 
Fallacies. 

1092
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,700
I'm probably in the top 1% in 
the world. 

1093
00:59:01,700 --> 00:59:03,900
They're only, what is that? 
Another 700,000 people that know

1094
00:59:03,900 --> 00:59:05,700
more than me or 7 million 
whatever. 

1095
00:59:05,900 --> 00:59:10,600
I'm in the top 1%, but I 
couldn't list 20 of them to you 

1096
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:12,300
right now. 
I'd be lucky to list five or 

1097
00:59:12,300 --> 00:59:14,700
ten. 
So, don't, I would encourage 

1098
00:59:14,700 --> 00:59:16,100
those of you who are interested 
in? 

1099
00:59:16,500 --> 00:59:20,200
Logic, don't worry about 
learning the Latin names and 

1100
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,700
some of them if it's confusing 
skip over go to an easy one. 

1101
00:59:22,700 --> 00:59:28,200
That's more fun. 
But ad hominem is a against the 

1102
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:34,300
person is what this argument is.
And so here Keith is arguing for

1103
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,600
anarchism. 
The guy doesn't even have. 

1104
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:40,100
I mean, he's not even a 
professor. 

1105
00:59:41,500 --> 00:59:43,800
So that is an ad hominem 
argument. 

1106
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:48,400
I am attacking Keith and this 
would be a Authority that I'm 

1107
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,300
attacking him, which is a 
particular type of ad hominem 

1108
00:59:51,300 --> 00:59:53,400
argument. 
But when I'm saying that, 

1109
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:58,000
because he doesn't have a title 
or a position there for his 

1110
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,100
argument against Anarchy is 
wrong. 

1111
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,100
Well. 
No, that's not the fact. 

1112
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:04,000
There are other types of ad 
hominem. 

1113
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:09,700
I actually opened my book right 
here, there is abusive. 

1114
01:00:09,700 --> 01:00:14,300
So this would be just going off.
I can't believe that you would 

1115
01:00:14,300 --> 01:00:16,200
say something like that. 
You're so stupid. 

1116
01:00:17,700 --> 01:00:20,700
Okay, but we haven't gotten back
to the original argument, which 

1117
01:00:20,700 --> 01:00:24,400
was two plus, two equals four or
five, doesn't matter how stupid 

1118
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:25,200
you are. 
It doesn't matter. 

1119
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:29,700
If you're a professor, what 
matters is going back to our 

1120
01:00:29,700 --> 01:00:33,300
original argument. 
So I think, I think that's a 

1121
01:00:33,300 --> 01:00:38,100
huge one that people mess up on.
They appeal to Authority and 

1122
01:00:38,100 --> 01:00:39,900
they say, well, this person is 
in a position of authority. 

1123
01:00:39,900 --> 01:00:44,300
So, what they say must be must 
be right? 

1124
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:46,400
And there's another one. 
I don't even know the name. 

1125
01:00:46,500 --> 01:00:52,400
Of it, but it's the form of an 
argument of saying some dogs are

1126
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:57,500
animals. 
Some animals have four legs. 

1127
01:00:58,900 --> 01:01:01,900
Therefore this animal that I see
in front of me. 

1128
01:01:01,900 --> 01:01:09,200
This chicken has four legs. 
No, not always does a plus b. 

1129
01:01:09,300 --> 01:01:13,700
If a is present and B is 
present, C does not always also 

1130
01:01:13,700 --> 01:01:17,200
exist and there it gets kind of 
complex much easier. 

1131
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:20,700
Looking at a piece of paper. 
But once you look at it a little

1132
01:01:20,700 --> 01:01:24,300
bit on the page of a book and 
then you think about examples in

1133
01:01:24,308 --> 01:01:27,800
your own life. 
You think know, being 

1134
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:33,800
law-abiding? 
Taxpaying citizen does not equal

1135
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,900
good. 
Now some Good people are 

1136
01:01:36,900 --> 01:01:40,400
law-abiding and taxpaying but 
not all good. 

1137
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,100
People are law-abiding and 
taxpaying. 

1138
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:46,000
There are some people that that 
one, dude. 

1139
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:49,400
Long-haired hippie looking dude.
He was like throwing people out 

1140
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:54,300
of the temple. 
So he wasn't law by he hated tax

1141
01:01:54,300 --> 01:01:57,000
collectors and Jesus do to Jesus
or whatever. 

1142
01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:00,800
You're like 2,000 years ago. 
Like he was not a law-abiding, 

1143
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:03,400
tax-paying guy, but there are a 
lot of Christians out there. 

1144
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,100
That would say no, he's still a 
good dude. 

1145
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,100
Dude, and I think that's true 
today. 

1146
01:02:07,100 --> 01:02:10,800
Maybe a person is an anarchist 
and they could be a very good 

1147
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:14,200
person or they could be a person
claiming to be an anarchist, but

1148
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:16,800
they're really a chassis type of
person which is the opposite of 

1149
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:19,100
Anarchy. 
Exactly. 

1150
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:21,300
Yeah. 
Ones that have really stuck out 

1151
01:02:21,300 --> 01:02:25,300
to me, was I think it was 
published in the 1960s, Iran's 

1152
01:02:25,300 --> 01:02:28,300
the virtue of selfishness, where
she talks about the argument 

1153
01:02:28,300 --> 01:02:30,900
from intimidation. 
This is also known as the 

1154
01:02:30,900 --> 01:02:35,100
argument from disapproval. 
So it's, oh God Shepherd. 

1155
01:02:35,300 --> 01:02:39,200
Hold on, you really believe in 
this volunteers? 

1156
01:02:39,300 --> 01:02:42,400
Wow, dude. 
I mean, I don't, I don't even 

1157
01:02:42,900 --> 01:02:44,800
know. 
No, I think I don't want to be 

1158
01:02:44,808 --> 01:02:48,500
stupid. 
I don't even know what to say. 

1159
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:52,300
I mean, do you know how few of 
you there are? 

1160
01:02:52,900 --> 01:02:54,500
Wow, dude. 
Goodbye. 

1161
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:57,100
You're not worth my time in 
there. 

1162
01:02:57,100 --> 01:02:58,900
I gave a lot of disapproving 
statements. 

1163
01:02:59,100 --> 01:03:03,300
None of which consisted of what 
voluntourism is and why it is 

1164
01:03:03,300 --> 01:03:07,200
irrational or unjustifiable. 
Bible, but we so often, we'll 

1165
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:12,800
miss the the forest, the tree in
the forest because we're so 

1166
01:03:12,900 --> 01:03:15,500
worried about not not being 
liked. 

1167
01:03:15,500 --> 01:03:17,500
The other one is unobtainable 
perfection. 

1168
01:03:17,500 --> 01:03:21,500
I read about this in an 
excellent book titled, how to 

1169
01:03:21,500 --> 01:03:24,500
win every argument they use and 
abuse of logic. 

1170
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:29,400
Unobtainable Perfection is the 
claim that something is bad 

1171
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:33,000
because I mean, it's, it's not 
perfect at all. 

1172
01:03:33,300 --> 01:03:38,500
Well, yes, my My position isn't 
perfect, but nor are any of the 

1173
01:03:38,500 --> 01:03:41,300
Alternatives. 
So you claiming I'm not perfect 

1174
01:03:41,300 --> 01:03:44,200
is not a justification. 
For example, under anarchism. 

1175
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:47,700
There could be corruption. 
There could also be a fraud, 

1176
01:03:47,700 --> 01:03:49,600
there could be murder. 
There could be theft. 

1177
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:54,600
Yes, that can all happen under 
any society, fascism communism, 

1178
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:57,300
socialism syndicalism anarchism 
voluntourism. 

1179
01:03:57,300 --> 01:04:01,900
All I'm saying is we shouldn't 
legitimize any group to have the

1180
01:04:01,900 --> 01:04:05,700
right to do any of those things 
and call them the Mint group and

1181
01:04:05,700 --> 01:04:10,000
force us to fund them against 
our will and the third one that 

1182
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,300
always comes to mind is avoiding
the root. 

1183
01:04:12,300 --> 01:04:17,800
So when you're trying to 
communicate something to someone

1184
01:04:18,100 --> 01:04:23,500
it is really bad that the police
are, you know, arresting people 

1185
01:04:23,500 --> 01:04:26,700
for victimless crimes. 
People who have not initiated 

1186
01:04:26,700 --> 01:04:30,400
aggression against anyone else 
and they will say so. 

1187
01:04:30,700 --> 01:04:34,000
So you're against people being 
safe and people having their 

1188
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:38,400
property protected. 
No, no, the root of the problem 

1189
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:40,600
is the initiation of islands, 
all those other things. 

1190
01:04:40,700 --> 01:04:43,300
I'm totally cool with them. 
They can probably be done better

1191
01:04:43,300 --> 01:04:47,400
with locks and security cameras 
and you having your own firearm.

1192
01:04:47,700 --> 01:04:50,000
But but what they'll do is 
you'll say I'm against the state

1193
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:52,500
that got your against education,
your against roads. 

1194
01:04:52,700 --> 01:04:55,500
I love those things. 
The root of the problem is the 

1195
01:04:55,500 --> 01:04:58,800
initiation of violence. 
If we understood those, I mean, 

1196
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:04,700
99.9% of statism would just be 
dead on arrival, laughed out of 

1197
01:05:04,700 --> 01:05:08,900
the Intellectual courtroom, any 
other logical fallacies that 

1198
01:05:08,900 --> 01:05:11,700
come to mind or any books on 
logical fallacies? 

1199
01:05:11,700 --> 01:05:14,700
You recommend people check out, 
you know, actually a book that 

1200
01:05:14,700 --> 01:05:16,800
I'm reading right now. 
That is so good. 

1201
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:19,600
I started it years ago and I 
don't know how I put it down. 

1202
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:23,000
I might have read through it but
finding some, at least new ones 

1203
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,000
to me, but I'm elderly. 
So I probably forgotten them. 

1204
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:29,600
The name of the book is 
logically fallacious, bibo 

1205
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:33,800
Bennett and so I'm and I'm 
actually, I'm very strong 

1206
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:35,300
believer in the idea of 
anything. 

1207
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:38,500
Thing that you want to be good 
at in life, the old nursing 

1208
01:05:38,500 --> 01:05:41,000
adage. 
See, one do one, teach one. 

1209
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:45,200
So I am reading. 
I'm seeing it and then I am 

1210
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:50,700
thinking of my own example of a,
the fallacy that's doing one and

1211
01:05:50,700 --> 01:05:53,000
then I'm teaching one. 
So I'm making just a short. 

1212
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:56,000
I'm trying to keep them to one 
or two or three Minute Podcast 

1213
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:59,300
just a little sections and so 
I'll record it and I will teach 

1214
01:05:59,300 --> 01:06:02,200
that logical fallacy. 
And so I have those on 

1215
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:04,400
Odyssey.com. 
If you look up, logical, 

1216
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:08,200
fallacies, I'm Since Odyssey is 
fairly new, it will probably pop

1217
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:10,400
up with some of mine. 
If you add the word Shepherd, 

1218
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:12,600
then it definitely will. 
But you'll probably find 

1219
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:14,700
somebody who has a better 
personality than me or whatever.

1220
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:17,300
Go to Wikipedia. 
Look them up there. 

1221
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:21,000
I just strongly recommend, you 
know, one a day for a month, 

1222
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:24,900
even if you did one a day for a 
year and you're not going to 

1223
01:06:24,908 --> 01:06:28,700
remember them all, I sure don't,
but in the back of your brain, 

1224
01:06:28,700 --> 01:06:31,300
you just might remember him. 
So, yeah, logically fallacious 

1225
01:06:31,300 --> 01:06:35,100
is a good good option. 
Excellent Shepherd. 

1226
01:06:35,100 --> 01:06:38,900
The Voluntarist. 
Thank you so much for your time.

1227
01:06:39,100 --> 01:06:41,400
What is the name of your Odyssey
Channel? 

1228
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:44,800
I definitely want to put that in
the description for people to 

1229
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:46,700
check out. 
I don't know if you heard but 

1230
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:50,200
Corbett, just got banned on 
patreon. 

1231
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:53,600
People are getting taken down 
off YouTube left and right. 

1232
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:56,300
It's getting worse every day. 
What's your out of c channel? 

1233
01:06:56,900 --> 01:06:58,300
I don't know what the name of it
is. 

1234
01:06:58,300 --> 01:07:00,400
I think Shepherd the voluntary. 
Estai. 

1235
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:03,800
Bet you, if you put that in, 
it'll pop up and if not if you 

1236
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:07,800
go to openly voluntary. 
Come from there. 

1237
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:09,600
You'll be able to find my my 
content. 

1238
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:11,700
Thanks for asking. 
Thanks for having me on, of 

1239
01:07:11,700 --> 01:07:13,400
course. 
Yes, and I'll find it. 

1240
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:15,500
I will put it in the 
description. 

1241
01:07:15,500 --> 01:07:18,900
I really love the logical 
fallacy videos, you do because I

1242
01:07:18,900 --> 01:07:21,500
can always spare 90 seconds. 
Sometimes it's hard to 

1243
01:07:21,500 --> 01:07:25,100
emotionally, commit to an 
introduction, and then people's 

1244
01:07:25,100 --> 01:07:27,000
back story. 
And then into a conversation 

1245
01:07:27,100 --> 01:07:30,300
with this, it's a minute and 30 
seconds, which I love it. 

1246
01:07:30,300 --> 01:07:31,000
Good. 
Good. 

1247
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:35,000
Ooh, yo, watch, so definitely 
check out Shepherds work. 

1248
01:07:35,300 --> 01:07:37,000
Shepherd, thanks so much for 
your time. 

1249
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:40,000
And thank you. 
Yeah, thanks to everyone for 

1250
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:40,700
watching. 
Keith Knight. 

1251
01:07:40,700 --> 01:07:43,800
Don't tread on anyone and the 
libertarian Institute.