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Gentlemen, thank you so much for
having me on my name, is Keith 

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Knight. 
I run the you don't tread on 

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anyone YouTube channel and 
odyssey Channel. 

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I'm also a contributor to the 
libertarian Institute. 

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I'll just go into my 15 minutes 
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The primary disagreement between
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Conservatives comes in the form 
of foreign policy understanding.

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Generally the war on terror 
against al Qaeda, since 2001 has

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consisted of not taking the 
talibans offer to hand over. 

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Our Bin Laden. 
Zarqawi, giving us Al Qaeda in 

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Iraq after the u.s. 
Overthrow Saddam, which there 

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was no Iraq beforehand. 
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Siding with al-Qaeda in Libya 
against Gaddafi, an organization

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known as El ifg, the Libyan 
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Moammar gadhafi was the first 
person on Earth to put out an 

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arrest warrant for Osama Bin 
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It also has involved the u.s. 
Siding with al-Qaeda in Syria 

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against Assad. 
This is according to an email by

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Jake Sullivan. 
This is one of the Hillary 

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Clinton emails, where he says a 
queue is on our side in Syria. 

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Siding with Al-Qaeda, and 
al-nusra to overthrow Assad. 

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Of course, they are also citing 
with al-Qaeda in Yemen until 

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recently against the current 
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It's also cost hundreds out. 
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Civilian deaths. 
Millions of people have been 

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displaced since the war on 
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Can you imagine if what happened
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other places? 
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Is bombing if it happened in New
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If it's wrong to do in this 
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Nebraska it's wrong to do in 
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Iraq. 
We have thousands of drones and 

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bombings which have to store at 
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businesses. 
We have thousands of u.s. 

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Veteran suicides because of the 
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that occurs in a ton of where 
we've had about 4,500 military 

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combat deaths. 
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injured, not to mention, mental 
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post-traumatic stress. 
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We've spent trillions of dollars
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result. 
And there today are tens of 

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thousands of al-Qaeda members 
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were in 2001. 
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Intelligence Agency in 2001. 
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members today across multiple 
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There are tens of thousands. 
The reason this is was stated. 

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And in one of Osama bin Laden's 
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them. 
The first one was an open letter

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to King fahd in August of 1995. 
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Declaration of jihad against 
America's occupying, the land of

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the two sacred mosques, his 
Declaration of world Islamic 

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front for Jihad against Jews and
Crusaders of 1998, and a warning

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to the United States. 
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He primarily focused on the 
condom Massacre of 1996. 

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By the Israelis occupying Mecca 
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soldiers and Iraqi sanctions 
imposed by father George Bush in

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1991, which killed anywhere 
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civilians. 
Bin. 

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Laden says, it's 1.5 million, 
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We also have statements by three
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to a researcher Robert Pape at 
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What is happening in Muslim 
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occupation of About which there 
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There is no Duty more obligatory
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to repelling. 
The Americans occupying. 

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The land of the two sanctuaries 
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obligations number three and I 
say to America, if it wants its 

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armies and people to be safe 
that it must withdraw all of its

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forces from Muslim lands and 
depart from Powell, all our 

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countries. 
If you saw the way the left 

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flipped out about Russian 
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Imagine if Russia had Chickens 
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US, economic and domestic 
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Of course, the war in 
Afghanistan had nothing to do 

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with 9/11. 
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operation planned on September 
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According to Donald Rumsfeld. 
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at Congress rather on March 23, 
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He mentioned National Security. 
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was the plan to have a regime 
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Change in Afghanistan. 
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this is not to say war is never 
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the state's War just as we 
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mean we're against education, 
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We just have the same criteria 
for me, helping an old lady 

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getting mugged that we do me 
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getting mugged. 
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far away in a foreign country, 
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Are we only Elliot against the 
aggressors, the war is to be 

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funded voluntarily if you don't 
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If you think it's a wrong thing 
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the operation and people have to
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You have no right to draft or 
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if we want who care about 
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We want to make sure that we do 
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a country invades, and there was
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Well, people are just looking 
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A ruling class to obey if there 
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embraced the principles of 
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non-aggression. 
They would have to go around and

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enslave each person 
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It would be a totally armed 
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right to rule and you more or 
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Libertarianism is basically a 
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beings on their own bodies with 
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They have a better claim to 
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they can directly control their 
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You can only end Directly 
control someone else's body by 

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first directly controlling 
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Now. 
What does this have to do with 

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government? 
What makes government to Unique 

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institution? 
Is not schools or roads or 

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anything like that. 
It claims the right to initiate 

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aggression against peaceful 
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That is more or less, what Franz
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The sociologist made the point 
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The State, my proof that 
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incorrect, is one it Has a 
double standard for this group 

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of people called the Congress 
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police group or the military 
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They're just different groups of
human beings that have no more 

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rights than anyone else. 
It says that government has the 

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right to tax. 
But no one else has the right to

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issue taxes only this group 
blatant double standard. 

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This group has the right to 
regulate which is a euphemism 

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for violently dominating 
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It says, slavery is bad, unless 
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it the draft another. 
Are blatant, double standard, 

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you have to be consistent in 
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You have to be consistent in 
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grants the state, the right to 
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right to make laws. 
So arresting someone for murder 

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and stopping them, all of us 
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But the state is a different 
organization, by writing words 

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down on paper. 
It has the right to initiate 

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violence against peaceful 
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The libertarian says, this is 
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course, the state's engage in 
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Which is a euphemism for mass 
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If I don't have the right to 
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draft people. 
I do not have the right to vote 

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for John McCain or vote for 
Barack Obama to do such a thing 

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on my behalf. 
All it is, is a group of people 

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claiming the right to rule 
everyone else. 

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There are a lot of criticisms of
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There's greed and there might be
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That is true. 
The problem with these 

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criticisms is they all apply 
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You the state. 
There's corruption. 

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Yeah. 
Governments have corruption. 

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The difference is what makes 
libertarianism morally Justified

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is you have the ability to opt 
out of funding corrupt people of

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the ability to opt out of 
funding operations that do not 

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work. 
That kill innocent people or 

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that don't make the poor better 
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Economically speaking. 
We have two ways of achieving 

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this we can either fun things 
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Monopoly, the state and Medicare
or something like that or we can

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embrace Brace, a philosophy of 
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All the libertarian says is the 
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We apply to our neighbors. 
We apply to a group called the 

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Catholic church and a group 
called arizonans and a group 

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called the Chinese. 
Everyone has the same moral 

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standards. 
This is a philosophy that goes 

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back deep into American history.
All men are created equal. 

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This means no person has the 
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Over anyone else. 
There are endowed by our creator

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with certain unalienable. 
Lights, if we are to embrace the

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principles of Christianity, we 
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theft, robbery, kidnapping, 
enslavement, even if a group of 

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people called politicians engage
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If the Soviets did to, you know,
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we would clearly see that it was
immoral, just hold that group 

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called government to the same 
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You told. 
Anyone else Declaration of 

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Independence continues people 
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You have the right to live. 
So long as you do not initiate 

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violence against others, then 
you are the aggressor in which 

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people have the right to defend 
themselves against you, the 

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right to Liberty. 
This is the ability to do 

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anything you please. 
So long as you do not initiate 

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violence against someone else 
that interferes with the freedom

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of someone else. 
So while we Advocate Freedom, we

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do not support the freedom to 
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Is this a contradiction? 
Not at all. 

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It's a philosophy that says you 
have the right to Do anything 

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you want? 
You have the right to pursue 

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your happiness, as the 
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Says, so long as you do not 
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violence against a peaceful 
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The Declaration of Independence 
goes on to say, you have the 

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right to alter or abolish 
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If it contradicts the end stated
at the beginning of the 

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Declaration. 
My proposal is that we have the 

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right to no longer recognize 
this group of people called 

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Congress as legitimate. 
We simply apply the same 

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standards we have for everyone 
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And that is essentially 
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We also have the right to free 
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Well shouldn't we regulate 
speech to make sure it's for the

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greater good? 
Just like we should regulate the

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economy. 
The answer is no because any 

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group of people that you say has
the right to regulate is 

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essentially saying that group of
people has the right to rule 

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everyone else. 
Even if everyone else is 

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engaging in voluntary 
interaction, the Almost 

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neoconservatism. 
Is it grants the state the 

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legitimacy that it doesn't have?
It says well, we can have a 

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government that sort of 
regulates. 

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You know that does a little 
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Boom. 
You've already granted the left 

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everything they've needed to 
justify communism. 

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If a little taxations, okay, for
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Well, then government's just 
engaging in helping the greater 

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good with regard to every one of
its evil schemes Second 

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Amendment. 
Of course, is a A, a Libertarian

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principle the state does not 
have the right to monopolize any

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Weaponry. 
Another words for the same 

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reason, we have separation of 
church and state. 

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We should have separation of 
economy and state separation of 

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foreign policy and state. 
But what if someone believes in 

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a wrong religion, well, you know
what, it's their life, but what 

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if there's someone who is 
uneducated and what if churches,

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can't get funds, shouldn't we 
tax people to make sure we have 

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churches who get funds. 
So we could teach morality. 

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So people know what's going on 
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The answer is no. 
So whether it's a group of 

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people called the Catholic 
church, or a group of people 

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called Congress, the same moral 
pins principles, apply. 

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If we are to embrace the true 
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voluntary exchange original 
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These are the ideas that have 
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Not this idea. 
That well violence doesn't 

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violence. 
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funded mass. 
Kidnapping government. 

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Does it? 
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I will yield the rest. 
Who, mr. 

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Castelli. 
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Yeah, you still have a few 
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I guess Kevin. 

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You've got 15 minutes for your 
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Okay, let me reset this one sec.
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There you go. 
Wonderful. 

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Yeah, so just keep checking the 
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See when I got five minutes 
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I kind of thing. 
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So yeah. 
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everybody for tuning in tonight.
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this, I have, you know, a 
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Keith brought up and then 
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neoconservatives, and the cases 
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if essentially were we were to 
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the void in which there were a 
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find itself rendered, you know, 
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that state of nature, would 
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into interactions with each 
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know, by various means we would 
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inevitable that it's necessary 
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emerge from that a new state, a 
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Whatever means, whatever. 
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that hierarchy is necessary that
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scarier than a legitimised ruler
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existence of the State of 
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necessarily would would serve as
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being able to be free to focus 
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free time and Civilization. 
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we live in a world, which is in 
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hegemon, 's there are great 
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says America, she doesn't want 
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Russia and China will be happy 
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far worse as a result of it. 
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maniacal Institution. 
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the liberal democracy is we see.
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conservatives and we believe in 
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magnanimous sort of institution 
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combine the pooled resources of 
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Adam. 
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that is a whole we can do. 
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become greater than the sum of 
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A large security apparatus to 
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free up so much time that 
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survive that all of this. 
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that of the capitalist system, 
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rights Etc. 
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that we can Forge from it and 
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We are, you know, incumbent upon
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essentially, you know, spread 
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propagate their tyranny. 
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or not, the world is as it is. 
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Liberty. 
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of the points briefly that were 
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And so I did take notes during 
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So Keith, of course invoke the 
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principle is immoral degenerate 
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My via the non-aggression 
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it is immoral to Bear witness to
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Murder to Bear witness to the 
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witnessed and to have the 
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not do it. 
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nihilism. 
We have to stand for something. 

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We have to be better. 
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in our pooled effort as a 
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there is the capacity to 
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to make the A better place to 
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value to not just say, this is 
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This is how it is. 
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islands of freedom and 
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rather rather we can forge the 
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We don't have to ask permission 
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dictator. 
We don't have to ask permission 

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of some United Nations or 
something to go and fight some 

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terrorists or to rid the world 
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We can That ourselves, we don't 
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we can be Lions, we can be Hawks
and we can, we can make the 

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world a far better place for 
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Humanity and for prosperity for 
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perpetuity. 
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tyranny, I, you know, that it is
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the world and one of the 
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territory, which they live is 
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And it's Lux, the relative 
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exist. 
Where yes, it is. 

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True that in Canada, or the 
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And so in additionally it is a 
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If you will with the with the 
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that I don't even consider it an
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What ideology? 
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terms of security, I regarded 
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pretty self-evident that you 
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You can't have secure 
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to through the direction of a 
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of resources, allotted to the 
security of our borders, as well

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as the propagation of our 
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And that is John Bolton Said It 
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Age in a conflict over there 
than to wait for them to engage 

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in a conflict over here and 
proceeding onward. 

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I did want to talk about now. 
There was one thing. 

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Well, actually, there was 
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but there was one thing that 
stood out to me, that Keats said

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that I agree with Keith on, 
which is that. 

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And I've talked about this for a
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I'm against the draft. 
I consider the draft to be 

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degenerate II believe that. 
If you can't get enough people 

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to sign up for the military, you
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I believe that the Out is 
antithetical to our principles 

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and so II rejected. 
Now, there are cases of extreme 

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circumstances in South Korea and
Israel that do necessitate a 

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draft but in Canada. 
And the United States, I'm, I'm 

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completely opposed to it and 
that in a, in a perfect world, 

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there would be no draft. 
You would have the military, you

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know, offer higher salaries. 
I think that the military should

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be paid higher salaries. 
So that was the one thing that I

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would say agreed with Keith on 
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There were probably More, but I 
just missed them. 

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I, I did want to say that I 
didn't notice from Keith a 

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blatant, false equivalency that 
was drawn between the United 

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States, which is I regarded, not
just as an exceptional country 

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because we know that the United 
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and Japan, and Taiwan are all 
exceptional Nations, but that 

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they all would be Soviet 
communist school. 

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I colonies without America. 
And therefore America is not 

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exceptional as rather as I In a 
video about a year ago America 

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is meta exceptionalist. 
In other words, all exceptional 

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countries. 
If the West owe their existence 

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to America and her great 
nuclear, umbrella and her 

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commitment to the defense of the
Free World. 

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And additionally, I did want to 
talk about how, yes, Russia does

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things, there are state that 
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force and America is a state 
that will also apply Force 

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abroad. 
However, America is the bank 

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Garda Liberty and fascist, 
Russia is a degenerate 

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oligopolistic Backwater and and 
to regard their actions in 

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America's actions. 
As essentially. 

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Oh, there's somehow morally. 
Quell, misses the point. 

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That America is an exceptional 
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Additionally hero did want to 
get into the idea of the what 

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Rumsfeld had mentioned about the
ganis tanwar that the problem is

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the United States went into 
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even if it were true, what Keith
had mentioned that war was still

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good. 
That were was still just the 

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talibans control over 
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It was the sort of regime in 
which you could be murdered for 

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listening to music in which a 
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If the slightest bit of her 
ankle Hood being shown in the 

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wind, I kind of thing. 
And it was a it was it was 

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something that we can all be 
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America. 
And, and the Western coalition. 

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Went in there and destroyed the 
Taliban. 

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That was a great victory for 
neoconservatives. 

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And to the extent that the 
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They are less than a sixth of 
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their territorial control. 
And they would be all but gone, 

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if it were not for the weakness 
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as Obama and Trump. 
So continuing on the idea of a 

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voluntary funding of War it. 
Misses the point that we have. 

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Negative externalities that come
from voluntary interactions and 

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that he and that is these 
negative externalities that 

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exist in social interaction as 
well as the economy that we as 

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neoconservatives understand 
mandate and necessitate a degree

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of Regulation and a degree of 
understanding that we can't just

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leave everybody to their own 
devices because we will all 

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undermine each other. 
Even if we don't necessarily 

460
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,400
mean to, because there needs to 
be some order in place to keep, 

461
00:25:29,500 --> 00:25:32,800
Keep us from imposing negative 
externalities upon each other 

462
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,600
and there's a huge negative 
externality. 

463
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:39,400
Insecurity that results from. 
If we only have everybody who 

464
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,700
wants to pay for security pays 
for security. 

465
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,700
We will then have the negative 
externality known as the free 

466
00:25:44,700 --> 00:25:50,100
rider problem problem where 
everybody will want security but

467
00:25:50,100 --> 00:25:53,000
nobody is personally willing to 
pay out of their own pocket and 

468
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,800
therefore nobody will have 
security and that's a huge issue

469
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,800
with it. 
And so I know that we're still 

470
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,100
an opening statements time. 
But one question that I do have 

471
00:26:01,100 --> 00:26:04,400
for Keith and I'm looking 
forward to his response is. 

472
00:26:04,900 --> 00:26:08,300
Do you believe that negative 
externalities exist and 

473
00:26:08,300 --> 00:26:11,800
economics and social interaction
to kind of conclude here? 

474
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,900
Because I know that my time is 
running out. 

475
00:26:14,300 --> 00:26:19,900
I think that it's very clear. 
That as far as the liberal order

476
00:26:19,900 --> 00:26:24,500
goes, as far as the Democratic 
World goes, it is obvious that 

477
00:26:24,500 --> 00:26:26,900
the neoconservatives are the 
champions of everything. 

478
00:26:26,900 --> 00:26:32,400
Good in the world today, and 
That and that we will often hear

479
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:36,200
a mischaracterization from our 
opponents for on the left, on 

480
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,600
the right. 
That will regarding neocon says,

481
00:26:38,700 --> 00:26:41,500
as a persuasion of failure that 
they just have a record of 

482
00:26:41,500 --> 00:26:43,500
failure. 
This, it could not be further 

483
00:26:43,500 --> 00:26:47,100
from the truth. 
In fact, we are the force that 

484
00:26:47,100 --> 00:26:50,300
brought about the demise of the 
Soviet Empire. 

485
00:26:50,300 --> 00:26:54,300
We brought about the fall of 
Communism in Europe and Central 

486
00:26:54,300 --> 00:26:57,500
Asia. 
We additionally destroyed the 

487
00:26:57,500 --> 00:27:00,500
baathist regime in Iraq. 
That was Total and complete 

488
00:27:00,500 --> 00:27:03,900
operational success acid. 
Am how he's doing today. 

489
00:27:03,900 --> 00:27:06,200
Oh wait, you can't, he's dead. 
We killed him. 

490
00:27:06,700 --> 00:27:10,100
You know, it would look at the 
situation in Afghanistan. 

491
00:27:10,100 --> 00:27:14,000
The Afghan people have a free 
government now and women aren't 

492
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,300
just being completely butchered 
wholesale. 

493
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,000
As they used to be, they 
situation everywhere that the 

494
00:27:20,008 --> 00:27:24,900
Neo cons of Applied, our our 
will the world has been forged 

495
00:27:24,900 --> 00:27:27,700
into a better status quo than it
was Prior. 

496
00:27:27,900 --> 00:27:31,400
We are Victor's. 
We are Lions, we are hawks, and 

497
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,300
we're not done yet, and we are 
rising up once more. 

498
00:27:34,300 --> 00:27:36,300
And we will have a 
neoconservative Renaissance. 

499
00:27:36,300 --> 00:27:38,600
And mark my words. 
We will Forge the world into our

500
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,800
own image once again, so, thank 
you. 

501
00:27:43,100 --> 00:27:45,500
And I yield my time. 
What little is okay? 

502
00:27:45,500 --> 00:27:47,200
Yeah, you're just about out. 
Anyway. 

503
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:49,800
All right. 
Yeah, if you want to go into the

504
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,600
more open exchange portion of 
this and I guess we'll start off

505
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,500
key because I'm sure he's got a 
lot to lot to say in response to

506
00:27:55,508 --> 00:27:59,300
that and I think he also has 
some questions for Kevin. 

507
00:27:59,300 --> 00:28:01,500
So if you wanted to go ahead and
take us away on that Keith, 

508
00:28:02,700 --> 00:28:05,300
sure. 
I just want to address the 

509
00:28:05,300 --> 00:28:10,000
negative externalities claim. 
This is what my point was. 

510
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:14,900
Previously, when I said there 
are, Number of objections to the

511
00:28:14,900 --> 00:28:18,200
free market philosophy, the 
ideology of self-ownership and 

512
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,700
voluntary exchange. 
However it in no way justifies 

513
00:28:21,700 --> 00:28:26,600
the state, for example, if a 
group of people in Congress just

514
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:33,100
like 260 of them would be a 
majority or let's say 300 of 

515
00:28:33,100 --> 00:28:37,300
them would be a majority. 
That would be a negative 

516
00:28:37,300 --> 00:28:42,100
externality on the 330 million 
Americans who do not appreciate.

517
00:28:42,100 --> 00:28:46,200
Preciate or care for the laws 
that they pass considering they 

518
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,200
never asked us before. 
I mean Congress has like an 11 

519
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:53,100
percent approval rating. 
So the biggest externality we 

520
00:28:53,100 --> 00:28:56,200
have is the existence of 
government. 

521
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,500
So it just focusing on negative 
externalities. 

522
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,900
It's literally like saying 
negative externalities exist. 

523
00:29:04,300 --> 00:29:08,200
Therefore, the Koch brothers 
have the right to rule all of 

524
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,400
America. 
And if we don't obey the Koch 

525
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,800
brothers, we should be putting a
Gunshot, if we were exist, this 

526
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,400
is because negative 
externalities exist. 

527
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,400
It doesn't solve the problem of 
negative externalities that 

528
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,400
well. 
I grant, you absolutely does 

529
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:27,000
exist. 
We have no ability or no 

530
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,500
recourse against the state when 
they engage in their constant 

531
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,800
negative externalities, as far 
as the free rider problem goes. 

532
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,900
Well, there's a large number of 
people who do not chip into the 

533
00:29:37,900 --> 00:29:40,900
tax system, which Mitt Romney 
got in trouble for telling the 

534
00:29:40,900 --> 00:29:46,100
truth about this thing. 87% of 
Americans are not net taxpayers.

535
00:29:46,500 --> 00:29:49,700
Both, he's right. 
So that is an example of the 

536
00:29:49,700 --> 00:29:52,400
existence of a state does not 
solve the free rider problem. 

537
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,000
Nor does it solve the problem of
negative externalities? 

538
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,200
Therefore, the existence of 
externalities does not justify 

539
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,400
the existence of a state or a 
ruling class or a group of 

540
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,300
people that have the right to 
initiate aggression against 

541
00:30:05,300 --> 00:30:07,300
peaceful individuals. 
How do you respond? 

542
00:30:07,300 --> 00:30:08,600
Mr. Castelli? 
Yeah. 

543
00:30:08,700 --> 00:30:10,300
Okay. 
So yeah, two points there. 

544
00:30:10,300 --> 00:30:13,600
Basically, the first was the The
point about externalities, the 

545
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,500
second was on the Free Rider 
program or problem rather and 

546
00:30:17,500 --> 00:30:19,600
the 47%. 
So on the issue of 

547
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,300
externalities, I think what what
were missing here is that if 

548
00:30:22,300 --> 00:30:24,100
there were yes. 
I will grant you a hundred 

549
00:30:24,100 --> 00:30:26,800
percent that there are still 
negative externalities that 

550
00:30:26,900 --> 00:30:29,800
exists as a result of the state.
And that there are new 

551
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,900
externalities that can result 
from the state's presence, such 

552
00:30:33,900 --> 00:30:35,900
as corruption. 
And we can see that in Russia 

553
00:30:35,900 --> 00:30:39,000
for example, where it's 
extremely heightened in that, 

554
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:43,300
you know, there's obviously a a 
Massive problem with the 

555
00:30:43,300 --> 00:30:46,400
government picking winners and 
losers in terms of the oligarchy

556
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,800
and everything over in Russia. 
Now in America though, in 

557
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,800
America. 
Yes, there are externalities 

558
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,900
that that do emerge. 
However, if the government were 

559
00:30:54,900 --> 00:30:58,300
not there, if we were to go to a
stateless society, for example, 

560
00:30:58,500 --> 00:31:01,500
you would have so many new 
negative externalities that 

561
00:31:01,500 --> 00:31:04,100
emerge from that coupled, with 
existing externalities. 

562
00:31:04,100 --> 00:31:07,900
That would be exacerbated as a 
result of no more regulations or

563
00:31:07,900 --> 00:31:11,900
anything that on the whole on 
the net, you would be worse off.

564
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,300
Thing, you were under the 
current status quo. 

565
00:31:14,300 --> 00:31:17,600
And when I say worse off, I 
mean, orders of magnitude worse 

566
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:18,700
off. 
That's not to say that it's 

567
00:31:18,700 --> 00:31:20,000
perfect. 
Now, by any means, there are a 

568
00:31:20,008 --> 00:31:22,500
lot of reforms that I advocate 
for all the time. 

569
00:31:22,700 --> 00:31:25,800
But we at least have the means 
to go about doing them and 

570
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,100
everything that the second was 
actually, there was a third 

571
00:31:28,100 --> 00:31:29,700
point. 
It's all get to that briefly, 

572
00:31:29,900 --> 00:31:34,100
you mention how Congress has an 
11 percent approval rating that 

573
00:31:34,100 --> 00:31:37,600
tends to be fairly consistent 
around there, between 10 and 20 

574
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,400
percent over the years. 
The thing that's missed there 

575
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:46,900
though is when you pull each, A 
particular district and you ask 

576
00:31:46,900 --> 00:31:49,800
people what's your view of your 
Congressman or your 

577
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,200
congresswoman? 
Most people have a favorable 

578
00:31:53,300 --> 00:31:57,100
view of their own personal 
representative, but they regard 

579
00:31:57,500 --> 00:32:01,800
Congress as an institution 
fairly objectively negatively, 

580
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,400
but their own Congressman, 
they're like, oh well, he's 

581
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,200
great. 
But we don't like the others and

582
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,200
and everybody has that view 
where they like their own and of

583
00:32:10,208 --> 00:32:11,900
course that's the case because 
they had to get it. 

584
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:13,800
They had to win. 
If they didn't like them. 

585
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,800
They vote them out in the next 
election. 

586
00:32:16,100 --> 00:32:18,900
And so that's how that results 
but it makes sense that you 

587
00:32:18,900 --> 00:32:22,800
don't you see a lot of the 
gridlock that happens in 

588
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,200
Congress and everything and and 
and so people don't necessarily 

589
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:27,500
like that. 
Even if they like their own 

590
00:32:27,500 --> 00:32:30,500
Congressman. 
So it is a it misses the broader

591
00:32:30,500 --> 00:32:32,900
picture there. 
But the last point that was 

592
00:32:32,900 --> 00:32:36,000
brought up was about the free 
rider problem problem. 

593
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,300
And you mentioned how and it's 
true that about 47 percent 

594
00:32:39,300 --> 00:32:44,500
roughly are they are Are on the 
whole trains on the tax system, 

595
00:32:44,500 --> 00:32:48,500
they aren't positive 
contributors to it, that that is

596
00:32:48,500 --> 00:32:50,900
true. 
However, I would argue that if 

597
00:32:50,900 --> 00:32:55,300
there were no State, you would 
go from having basically, 47% of

598
00:32:55,300 --> 00:33:00,100
people that were in essence 
leeches to having say, 99% of 

599
00:33:00,100 --> 00:33:03,500
people that were late is because
yes, in theory, it would be good

600
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,400
to have security, but nobody's 
going to pay for it. 

601
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,100
If they aren't required to wear 
as at least. 

602
00:33:09,100 --> 00:33:12,400
Now, it's 47%. 
I would argue without a They 

603
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,000
nothing would basically get done
because you'd have a very, very 

604
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,100
small, tiny minority of people, 
that would make it like their 

605
00:33:19,100 --> 00:33:21,400
charity sort of thing and 
everybody else. 

606
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:22,700
Even they said. 
Oh, yeah, that's good. 

607
00:33:22,700 --> 00:33:25,600
But like I'm not paying for that
and the whole thing would fall 

608
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,900
apart. 
And so this does raise one 

609
00:33:27,900 --> 00:33:30,700
question that I have over to 
Keith, which is that, how would 

610
00:33:30,700 --> 00:33:35,600
a stateless society be able to 
defend itself from a rival 

611
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,900
superpower such as Russia or 
China, that did have a cohesive 

612
00:33:39,900 --> 00:33:43,500
order and had nuclear weapons. 
That's how would militia is, how

613
00:33:43,500 --> 00:33:47,900
would a voluntary system be able
to win a war with China? 

614
00:33:47,900 --> 00:33:52,800
If they decide to invade, for 
example, so the best mechanism 

615
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:58,100
for defeating a super power, 
would be to turn the populist 

616
00:33:58,100 --> 00:34:01,500
against the current ruler, for 
example, whether it's president 

617
00:34:01,500 --> 00:34:06,900
G or, you know socialist, 
secular dictator Saddam Hussein.

618
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:11,900
The method you would use is to 
hack their computers and send. 

619
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:17,100
A PDF to all the emails of a 
document titled anatomy of the 

620
00:34:17,100 --> 00:34:20,100
state by a professor from the 
University of Nevada. 

621
00:34:20,100 --> 00:34:24,600
Las Vegas Murray and rothbard. 
What you essentially would do is

622
00:34:24,699 --> 00:34:28,699
delegitimize the existence of 
the ruler in that country to 

623
00:34:28,699 --> 00:34:31,900
strip them of their power. 
There currently exists a general

624
00:34:31,900 --> 00:34:36,600
understanding between the rulers
that they will not either Target

625
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,199
each other nor will they go to 
their populations and explain 

626
00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:44,100
why the other ruler? 
Is inherently illegitimate, so 

627
00:34:44,100 --> 00:34:48,500
if you were to go to China and 
explain the principle difference

628
00:34:48,500 --> 00:34:53,600
between the Marxist ideas that 
they sort of generate the class 

629
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,300
struggle that they Advocate and 
you were to say, hey, the real 

630
00:34:57,300 --> 00:35:01,500
exploiter is not the booze y z 
or the capitalist or people who 

631
00:35:01,500 --> 00:35:04,400
would invest their time and 
efforts into products and 

632
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,600
services and voluntarily make 
them available to the masses. 

633
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,500
The great exploiter in society 
is President. 

634
00:35:11,500 --> 00:35:13,900
Gee. 
And his allies, this would 

635
00:35:13,900 --> 00:35:16,200
actually turn people against the
current regime. 

636
00:35:16,300 --> 00:35:19,300
The Central Intelligence Agency 
actually did this with documents

637
00:35:19,500 --> 00:35:24,800
in Nicaragua where instead of 
fighting the people that you end

638
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:29,500
up punishing civilians for what 
dictators do and as much as the 

639
00:35:29,508 --> 00:35:32,400
dictators kind of suffered the 
civilians really suffer and 

640
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,200
there are already suffering 
under the dictators as far as 

641
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:43,400
the free rider problem goes. 
Well if you Take all the time 

642
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,200
and effort and energy. 
We currently put into begging 

643
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,600
politicians to pass laws on our 
behalf. 

644
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,400
And then hopefully, the judges 
rule in such a way that the laws

645
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,500
are beneficial to the masses at 
large. 

646
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,000
Well, then maybe you can reap 
benefits. 

647
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,700
The free rider problem would be 
less of a detriment in a 

648
00:36:02,900 --> 00:36:06,000
volunteer, a society that 
recognized the principles of 

649
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,500
natural law. 
The principles of the 

650
00:36:07,500 --> 00:36:10,400
Declaration of Independence. 
All men are created equal with 

651
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,800
rights endowed by our creator. 
The reason you would have less 

652
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,300
of this is because you would 
have more charity. 

653
00:36:16,300 --> 00:36:19,900
People would find it in their 
self-interest to increase their 

654
00:36:19,900 --> 00:36:23,700
social status by tweeting about 
how they donate to this 

655
00:36:23,700 --> 00:36:25,600
organization. 
And how there are member of this

656
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:30,100
police department and how 
they're a member of donating to 

657
00:36:30,100 --> 00:36:34,500
this fire department. 
You don't get real Innovation. 

658
00:36:34,700 --> 00:36:38,100
If you have coercive funding, 
you get the same thing. 

659
00:36:38,100 --> 00:36:41,500
You have always gotten with 
terrible government. 

660
00:36:41,900 --> 00:36:44,000
G. 
So if we want Innovation, if we 

661
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,800
want Improvement, if we want an 
increase in accessibility to 

662
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,700
people at lower income level, so
everyone can have security. 

663
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,600
The last thing we would want to 
do is give the state a 

664
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,500
coercively funded Monopoly on 
providing such security. 

665
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,400
Again. 
I just want to point out that 

666
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,000
mr. 
Castelli has not explained why 

667
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,600
this group called government has
a different standard. 

668
00:37:09,900 --> 00:37:13,700
Whereas if it were generally 
Justified that it's okay to 

669
00:37:13,700 --> 00:37:15,700
force, someone to pay for 
something because they might 

670
00:37:15,700 --> 00:37:18,000
Free Ride. 
Well, then, everyone would have 

671
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,800
the right to do with the 
Catholic Church would have the 

672
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,800
right to force you to fund them 
and their Security Agency. 

673
00:37:23,100 --> 00:37:26,100
Any Security Agency would have 
the right to force you to fund 

674
00:37:26,100 --> 00:37:28,900
them because if you didn't find 
them, you'd be engaging in the 

675
00:37:28,900 --> 00:37:32,900
free rider problem and Amazon 
would have the right to force 

676
00:37:32,900 --> 00:37:34,400
you, to fund their Security 
Agency. 

677
00:37:34,900 --> 00:37:41,200
The neoconservatism standpoint, 
rather has not explained why 

678
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,000
this group? 
Of people has the double 

679
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,700
standard and not this group. 
It's not because government is 

680
00:37:45,700 --> 00:37:48,700
some moral and so kind and so 
virtuous and the people, there 

681
00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:53,100
are so smart and so consistent. 
It's just a contradiction that 

682
00:37:53,100 --> 00:37:57,400
has yet to be justified. 
Okay, so there are a lot of 

683
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,600
points there. 
The first one that I wanted to 

684
00:37:59,607 --> 00:38:04,700
get into, was you brought up the
case of if A-Rod. 

685
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,500
If an enemy superpower invaded 
America, you would wage an 

686
00:38:08,500 --> 00:38:11,600
information war against them. 
You would get everybody in the 

687
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:16,000
country does, send PDFs of Roth 
bards work over to people in 

688
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,500
China Sea, delegitimize Xi 
Jinping. 

689
00:38:19,500 --> 00:38:23,200
The problem with this is that we
live in a free country already. 

690
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:27,600
I've seen some of Roth bards. 
Thoughts and everything and it 

691
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,800
hasn't convinced me and I live 
in a free country. 

692
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:34,000
Now, imagine you're in China and
now all of a sudden, you open up

693
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,500
your email. 
And you've got this leaflet from

694
00:38:37,700 --> 00:38:40,900
this internet e, slit from 
leaflet from somebody in the 

695
00:38:40,900 --> 00:38:44,800
United States, you're like most 
people aren't even going to open

696
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,000
it. 
Some are going to report it to 

697
00:38:46,008 --> 00:38:48,700
the government and the ones who 
might start reading it. 

698
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,600
If they actually start taking it
seriously, they're going to be 

699
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,800
disappeared in the night and 
taking a gulag. 

700
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,600
So it's not going to do anything
to undermine their state and 

701
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,800
additionally. 
On top of that. 

702
00:38:58,900 --> 00:39:01,500
It would be very hard to get 
very many people to even send 

703
00:39:01,500 --> 00:39:03,900
this out because it's hard to 
coordinate these sorts of 

704
00:39:03,900 --> 00:39:07,900
Endeavors without a state. 
Additionally, you'd have to keep

705
00:39:07,900 --> 00:39:10,800
in mind that at this point. 
Chinese troops are occupying 

706
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,800
like US cities and everything 
because there's no big standing 

707
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,000
army to defeat them. 
No big funding or anything. 

708
00:39:17,100 --> 00:39:22,200
Additionally, you mentioned the 
idea that governments clunky 

709
00:39:22,300 --> 00:39:25,100
government stagnant and doesn't 
do any Invasion very well. 

710
00:39:25,100 --> 00:39:28,400
Where's the I have an Enterprise
and charity is far better at 

711
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:29,700
doing that. 
The problem with this is, I 

712
00:39:29,700 --> 00:39:31,400
don't necessarily even disagree 
with you. 

713
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,200
It depends on which government 
because, of course, we could 

714
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,100
look at the UK before Thatcher 
and see, that they were very 

715
00:39:36,100 --> 00:39:40,600
inefficient, very big 
government, very not Innovative.

716
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,900
Right? 
But but that Thatcher's reforms 

717
00:39:42,900 --> 00:39:45,400
made them better, but that sure 
didn't get rid of the state. 

718
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,500
She she took the necessary 
institution of the state and, 

719
00:39:49,500 --> 00:39:52,900
and made it so that it would be 
smaller and allow the private 

720
00:39:52,900 --> 00:39:56,500
Enterprise to take whole. 
But that if you Got rid of the 

721
00:39:56,500 --> 00:39:59,700
state altogether. 
Eat free companies, would 

722
00:39:59,700 --> 00:40:02,800
immediately devolve into 
monopolies and whatnot. 

723
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:07,300
And additionally, I did want to 
say though that this isn't even 

724
00:40:07,300 --> 00:40:11,000
necessarily necessarily true 
though, because well, the big 

725
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:15,300
state Enterprises, the big state
institutions, might technically 

726
00:40:15,300 --> 00:40:21,000
be slower on the margin then 
then say a company like Amazon 

727
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,300
or something. 
The problem is even a big 

728
00:40:23,300 --> 00:40:25,600
company can't pull the 
necessary. 

729
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,200
Resources together to create the
internet, for example, whereas 

730
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,300
the u.s. 
Pentagon can because they have a

731
00:40:32,300 --> 00:40:37,100
much larger budget that comes 
from this emergent system where 

732
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:41,000
all of our tax money, as an 
individual taxpayer isn't that 

733
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,800
much? 
But that in aggregate, it adds 

734
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,000
up to do great things. 
And that these great things that

735
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,900
the US military is produced that
have made civilian life so much 

736
00:40:49,900 --> 00:40:52,600
better, the internet, you know, 
you were taking like 

737
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,000
freeze-dried food, all this kind
of stuff that came out of the 

738
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,500
military. 
All this stuff sell like, 

739
00:40:57,500 --> 00:41:00,800
communication cell phones, Etc. 
All this stuff wouldn't even 

740
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,900
exist. 
If it were left up to private 

741
00:41:02,900 --> 00:41:05,600
charity. 
We would still be in basically 

742
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:10,100
almost a feudal era except we 
wouldn't because a state that 

743
00:41:10,100 --> 00:41:12,800
was against us would have taken 
us over by now, because that 

744
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,500
kind of system cannot stand up 
to States armed with nuclear 

745
00:41:16,500 --> 00:41:19,200
weapons and cohesive standing 
armies. 

746
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,900
That could just you know, like 
how is the militia in the woods 

747
00:41:21,900 --> 00:41:25,200
going to stop a nuclear weapon? 
For example, that's that's my 

748
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:26,100
issue. 
Great. 

749
00:41:26,100 --> 00:41:29,600
So so again, I guess a bit 
broader than the last question. 

750
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:35,200
But if well, two questions, if 
rothbard isn't convincing to 

751
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,300
people in a free Society, how 
would that strategy working in? 

752
00:41:38,300 --> 00:41:42,300
Tyranny like China? 
And second, how would the United

753
00:41:42,300 --> 00:41:46,000
States without a government? 
Be able to actually defend 

754
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:50,000
itself from an invading Army 
that did have a cohesive 

755
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,500
standing for such as China? 
Russia, Etc. 

756
00:41:53,500 --> 00:41:55,600
Even even Canada in this 
example. 

757
00:41:55,700 --> 00:42:00,000
Would have a more cohesive and 
an equipment military at this 

758
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,700
point. 
So, so Stefan molyneux goes over

759
00:42:03,700 --> 00:42:06,500
this in his book. 
Practical Anarchy. 

760
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,900
He says, you are the king of a 
geographical area. 

761
00:42:11,300 --> 00:42:15,300
You have, two countries to 
invade one country has a disarm 

762
00:42:15,300 --> 00:42:17,900
populist, because they have a 
government and a monopoly on 

763
00:42:17,900 --> 00:42:22,000
violence. 
And all you have to do is defeat

764
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,900
that Monopoly on violence, those
people, end their bases and You 

765
00:42:25,900 --> 00:42:29,600
have the allegiance of the 
country, all the propaganda that

766
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,800
country uses to get its citizens
to obey them. 

767
00:42:32,900 --> 00:42:35,900
You now have because you've 
defeated that single Army, the 

768
00:42:35,900 --> 00:42:40,100
second country that you can 
choose to invade has a populist 

769
00:42:40,100 --> 00:42:42,800
that does not recognize your 
right to rule and you will be 

770
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,800
facing a guerrilla War. 
You could say that you might get

771
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,000
bogged down in Afghanistan, like
a British and the Soviets and 

772
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:54,500
America currently is, you would 
get bogged down in such a place 

773
00:42:54,500 --> 00:42:57,000
that it would be so hard. 
Hard to rule over the 

774
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,200
geographical area because no one
recognizes your right to rule. 

775
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,900
It would literally be the 
equivalent of me. 

776
00:43:02,900 --> 00:43:05,800
Putting a crown on my head and 
walking from Chandler, Arizona, 

777
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,300
to Tempe, Arizona and say, hey 
guys, I just want to let you 

778
00:43:09,300 --> 00:43:11,100
know. 
I am currently the ruler of 

779
00:43:11,100 --> 00:43:14,200
Tempe, Arizona. 
As I tried to dictate people 

780
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,200
around. 
I would have my head blown off, 

781
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:20,500
certainly, in Arizona before I 
was able to enforce any of my 

782
00:43:20,500 --> 00:43:24,700
edicts, because the people don't
recognize your right to rule 

783
00:43:24,700 --> 00:43:28,100
that would say Rip away the very
power you would have. 

784
00:43:28,100 --> 00:43:32,500
So whether it's literally 
sending emails to the citizenry 

785
00:43:32,500 --> 00:43:35,100
of your opposition. 
It might even include 

786
00:43:35,100 --> 00:43:38,100
assassinating. 
The people at the top echelons 

787
00:43:38,100 --> 00:43:40,600
of your opposition. 
For example, Ho Chi Minh during 

788
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,800
the Vietnam War was actually 
according to Bob Bergen at CI. 

789
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:49,100
A.gov was a collaborator with 
the office of strategic 

790
00:43:49,100 --> 00:43:51,500
Services. 
What we today, call the CIA, 

791
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,500
just as Saddam was, paddling 
around with Donald Trump. 

792
00:43:55,700 --> 00:43:59,800
Eldon, the Iraq Iran War just as
the mujahideen were being funded

793
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:04,200
by the Americans. 
If you want to know who the next

794
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,700
enemy is going to be. 
All you have to do is look at 

795
00:44:06,700 --> 00:44:10,300
who they are currently funding. 
These are not words to defend us

796
00:44:10,300 --> 00:44:14,600
what they are our strategic 
games to build up an enemy to 

797
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,200
justify the existence of a next 
War even the Soviets. 

798
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,600
According to of all people 
National Security, adviser 

799
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:25,300
zbigniew Brzezinski, and I 
believe it's his book between 

800
00:44:25,300 --> 00:44:27,300
two. 
Just where he cites the work of 

801
00:44:27,300 --> 00:44:31,600
Antony Sutton. 
It's titled Western technology 

802
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:35,500
and Soviet Economic Development.
1945 to 1973. 

803
00:44:35,900 --> 00:44:39,700
He cites that you can't have a 
state without you can't have a 

804
00:44:39,700 --> 00:44:43,500
parasite without a producer. 
You can't have a state without 

805
00:44:43,500 --> 00:44:46,800
the entrepreneur. 
So what happens is people like 

806
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,700
Frederick and to all who funded 
the Karl Marx to write the 

807
00:44:49,700 --> 00:44:52,100
Communist Manifesto. 
Jacob Schiff, who funded the 

808
00:44:52,100 --> 00:44:54,800
Bolshevik Revolution, George 
Soros, who is funding 

809
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,500
bolshevism? 
And America today in order for 

810
00:44:57,500 --> 00:45:01,000
these tyrannies to exist. 
They need a productive people to

811
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,100
exploit. 
If you focus on getting the 

812
00:45:03,100 --> 00:45:05,800
productive people to no longer 
recognize the legitimacy of the 

813
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:10,000
actual exploiters, not the 
Marxist nonsensical exploitation

814
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,700
Theory, then that is how you 
would defeat them in enemy along

815
00:45:13,700 --> 00:45:16,900
with not recognizing their 
legitimacy or their right to 

816
00:45:16,900 --> 00:45:18,200
rule. 
You would more or less 

817
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,500
assassinate the dictators of the
opposition. 

818
00:45:21,700 --> 00:45:24,000
That is how you would fight a 
nuclear power. 

819
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,900
Okay, so I've got some responses
to that. 

820
00:45:27,900 --> 00:45:31,600
So you talked about how you 
would basically engage in Korean

821
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,400
girl war against this power. 
I would argue though that they'd

822
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:40,300
still be able to take over and 
occupy Central facilities and 

823
00:45:40,300 --> 00:45:42,900
whatnot to make life very 
difficult and that Life Would 

824
00:45:42,900 --> 00:45:45,800
Suck under that. 
And that even if you were able 

825
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:51,100
to wear them down that that that
wouldn't actually result in a 

826
00:45:51,107 --> 00:45:54,300
stable equilibrium because then 
somebody else will just come in.

827
00:45:54,500 --> 00:46:00,000
Need be in this Perpetual state 
of fighting, you know new powers

828
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,700
that would come in. 
And additionally, one thing that

829
00:46:02,700 --> 00:46:06,300
I wanted to mention was that the
characterization that you've 

830
00:46:06,300 --> 00:46:10,300
kind of been engaging in here? 
Is this implied stance of mine 

831
00:46:10,500 --> 00:46:12,300
that I'm somehow anti Second 
Amendment. 

832
00:46:12,300 --> 00:46:15,200
I'm a huge fan of the Second 
Amendment big fan and gun 

833
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,400
rights. 
And I think that a state is, 

834
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,100
like, you mentioned those two 
examples. 

835
00:46:20,100 --> 00:46:23,600
One where the people have no 
guns in the state, has the guns 

836
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,900
versus one. 
Are the state doesn't exist in 

837
00:46:25,900 --> 00:46:28,100
the people of the guns? 
Well, no, here's what I would 

838
00:46:28,100 --> 00:46:31,200
argue is the best Hedgehog, the 
best security. 

839
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:36,200
The best position to be in live,
in a state where the people have

840
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,700
guns. 
And the government has guns like

841
00:46:38,700 --> 00:46:43,200
the United States where you have
a strong collective security. 

842
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,500
That's a mass by the Pentagon 
and everything. 

843
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:49,800
But at the same time, you have a
defense from any potential 

844
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,100
excess of ambition by the 
government because you've got an

845
00:46:53,100 --> 00:46:56,000
armed population to The 
government in check and 

846
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,600
additionally, if anybody does 
invade the United States, they 

847
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,600
not only do they have to go 
through the United States 

848
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,100
military. 
They also have to go through, 

849
00:47:03,100 --> 00:47:06,500
you know, 150 million Americans,
with 400 million guns. 

850
00:47:06,700 --> 00:47:09,000
I like that. 
So, just for the record here, 

851
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:10,700
I'm a big fan of the Second 
Amendment. 

852
00:47:10,700 --> 00:47:15,200
I'm also a big fan of the state.
So that's my view of that. 

853
00:47:15,300 --> 00:47:20,800
So, so what if there is a 
government and another 

854
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:26,000
government takes over? 
Wait, can you clarify what you 

855
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:26,800
mean? 
Exactly? 

856
00:47:27,500 --> 00:47:31,400
So if there's a government in 
Poland and a government invades 

857
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:35,700
Poland and takes over, then what
happens because you've lost your

858
00:47:35,700 --> 00:47:39,100
terrible. 
Anarchic scenario, has come to 

859
00:47:39,100 --> 00:47:43,200
fruition in Poland, and France, 
and hundreds of millions of 

860
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,900
other geographical areas that 
have existed since ancient 

861
00:47:46,900 --> 00:47:50,100
Egypt. 
My position is not anarchism is 

862
00:47:50,100 --> 00:47:53,800
perfect because my position is 
anarchism is superior. 

863
00:47:54,100 --> 00:47:56,400
Does, it doesn't rely on 
initiating violence against 

864
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,000
peaceful? 
People allows Percy people to 

865
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,500
pursue their happiness so long 
as they don't initiate violence 

866
00:48:01,500 --> 00:48:05,100
against other people and 
coercively funded compete. 

867
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:09,500
Coercively funded monopolies are
inferior to voluntarily funded 

868
00:48:09,500 --> 00:48:13,500
competing organizations. 
So the idea that look, there are

869
00:48:13,500 --> 00:48:15,900
terrible, shortcomings in a free
Society. 

870
00:48:16,100 --> 00:48:18,700
There are terrible. 
Shortcomings, in a society, that

871
00:48:18,700 --> 00:48:21,900
allows for voluntary marriage 
that does not justify the 

872
00:48:21,900 --> 00:48:25,600
existence of the state. 
Arranging marriages just as 

873
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,200
there are terrible. 
Shortcomings in the existence of

874
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,100
the free market society. 
That doesn't justify a state 

875
00:48:31,100 --> 00:48:34,500
anymore than it justifies George
Soros ruling over us. 

876
00:48:34,500 --> 00:48:37,800
Because in the absence of George
Soros ruling over us, there 

877
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,900
would be negative externalities 
and we might get taken over by a

878
00:48:41,900 --> 00:48:45,000
foreign regime. 
If the people do not recognize 

879
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,400
their right to rule. 
They cannot take over any 

880
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,900
society. 
It would be as dumb as me going 

881
00:48:50,900 --> 00:48:54,000
into Afghanistan with a crown on
my head. 

882
00:48:54,100 --> 00:48:59,400
Head saying, I am mullah Omar. 
I hereby declare being the ruler

883
00:48:59,500 --> 00:49:03,700
of this geographical area. 
It just cannot happen without 

884
00:49:03,700 --> 00:49:07,400
the general recognition of the 
populace at large that this 

885
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,500
person or group of people have 
the right to rule this general 

886
00:49:10,500 --> 00:49:12,900
area. 
Therefore the best defense 

887
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:17,600
against aggressing Nations is 
the general institutionalized 

888
00:49:17,700 --> 00:49:20,100
recognition of the self 
ownership principle voluntary 

889
00:49:20,100 --> 00:49:22,400
exchange and libertarian 
anarchism. 

890
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:26,100
Okay, so, You mentioned your, 
you ask, what would happen to 

891
00:49:26,100 --> 00:49:27,700
Poland? 
If another state invaded? 

892
00:49:27,700 --> 00:49:30,400
We can just look at history. 
The Nazis had a stronger 

893
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,300
military. 
They invaded Poland and in 

894
00:49:32,300 --> 00:49:35,200
Poland was butchered and in 
afterwards, the Soviet. 

895
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,200
While at the same time, 
actually, the Soviets invaded, 

896
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,500
the eastern part, and then 
butchered the pulse. 

897
00:49:39,500 --> 00:49:43,700
So what happened was the poles 
had a weak state made a weak 

898
00:49:43,700 --> 00:49:48,100
government and they didn't have 
the same hard military power or 

899
00:49:48,100 --> 00:49:51,400
alliances as Nazi Germany and 
their serve influence in the 

900
00:49:51,408 --> 00:49:53,900
USSR, so they got totally 
butchered in car. 

901
00:49:54,100 --> 00:49:55,900
Up, and, and that's what 
happened. 

902
00:49:55,900 --> 00:49:58,100
And then after that they became 
Nazi, then they became 

903
00:49:58,100 --> 00:49:59,800
communist. 
And now they're a free country. 

904
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,400
And now, one thing to note about
Poland, Poland has a very base 

905
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,600
and strong State now. 
And they also have a very based 

906
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,500
militia, that's actually bigger 
than the Army because the people

907
00:50:09,500 --> 00:50:12,600
there know their history, and 
they know what happens, if 

908
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,000
another state takes them over. 
So, they understand that you 

909
00:50:15,008 --> 00:50:19,400
have to combine personal 
militias with with the thing. 

910
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,200
You can't just do one or the 
other. 

911
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:25,100
And so it Poland is a hedgehog 
and If Putin tries to invade 

912
00:50:25,100 --> 00:50:27,700
Poland, now, he's going to have 
a hard time of it. 

913
00:50:27,700 --> 00:50:30,200
Plus, they're in a do, so they 
have the alliance, there. 

914
00:50:30,500 --> 00:50:34,100
You mentioned the case of 
Afghanistan, but actually be 

915
00:50:34,100 --> 00:50:36,700
relatively easy to take over 
Afghanistan. 

916
00:50:36,700 --> 00:50:40,200
If you had no morality all that 
you would do is go in with a 

917
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:44,100
superior Force, round up all the
men, execute them enslave all 

918
00:50:44,100 --> 00:50:45,300
the women. 
That's what they used to do. 

919
00:50:45,300 --> 00:50:47,900
Like in the Peloponnesian War 
for example, and then there you 

920
00:50:47,908 --> 00:50:48,900
go. 
You want Afghanistan. 

921
00:50:48,900 --> 00:50:51,500
The reason why the British 
didn't do that, even the Soviets

922
00:50:51,500 --> 00:50:55,400
in do that and why America In do
that is because none of these 

923
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:59,100
countries actually had the 
interest in actually 100% doing 

924
00:50:59,100 --> 00:51:01,500
that. 
You know, now, obviously, the 

925
00:51:01,500 --> 00:51:05,400
Soviets were brutal and they 
were obviously the closest to 

926
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,500
that. 
The British were also pretty 

927
00:51:07,500 --> 00:51:11,100
brutal America in contrast was 
there to fight terrorism and 

928
00:51:11,100 --> 00:51:14,700
everything, but but on this 
point and would actually be 

929
00:51:14,700 --> 00:51:17,400
relatively easy, it'd be like 
making mincemeat of the mean 

930
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:21,000
lian's you just go in, do all 
the men enslave all the women or

931
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,700
just kill all the women to and 
then bring it over your call. 

932
00:51:23,700 --> 00:51:27,000
And I Visors and set up, you 
know it like New Britain in 

933
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:28,800
Afghanistan. 
They actually be pretty easy to 

934
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,700
do. 
If there was no cohesive state 

935
00:51:30,700 --> 00:51:33,400
to defend itself what you're 
missing, Keith is that in 

936
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:38,600
Anarchy and the absence of 
police, the absence of a 

937
00:51:39,300 --> 00:51:42,700
leviathan to invoke, Thomas 
Hobbes, you can do anything. 

938
00:51:42,700 --> 00:51:44,000
And guess what would happen in 
that case? 

939
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:45,100
You could say? 
That's horrible. 

940
00:51:45,100 --> 00:51:47,200
That's brutal. 
That's a, that's a barbaric 

941
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:48,200
thing. 
But guess what? 

942
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,900
Two thousand years down the road
Afghanistan. 

943
00:51:50,900 --> 00:51:52,600
Still New Britain. 
They won. 

944
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,500
Nobody's going to do anything 
about It's like, yeah, you 

945
00:51:54,500 --> 00:51:56,700
killed all the men, killed all 
the women now you want. 

946
00:51:56,700 --> 00:52:01,000
It's like the estate with no 
morals would be able to take 

947
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:05,100
that territory pretty easily. 
So now I'm not saying to do 

948
00:52:05,100 --> 00:52:06,400
that. 
I'm just saying that. 

949
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,700
What happens if it's Hitler? 
Hitler straight up was fully 

950
00:52:09,700 --> 00:52:13,000
intent on Exterminating every 
single Ukrainian. 

951
00:52:13,100 --> 00:52:15,200
And let's say he did that and he
got away with it. 

952
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:16,800
Would anything happened to him? 
No. 

953
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,200
Because he get away with it 
because there is no guiding 

954
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,900
police force in the world. 
I want America to be that 

955
00:52:21,900 --> 00:52:23,600
guiding police force to keep 
order. 

956
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,200
And Anything in the west that 
large, I want us all to spend 

957
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,600
eight percent of on the 
military, but you mentioned 

958
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:30,100
something. 
And I want to go to this. 

959
00:52:30,100 --> 00:52:33,600
There were a couple points, the 
first, and I'll make this quick.

960
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:35,800
The first question. 
I have, I'm going to need a 

961
00:52:35,808 --> 00:52:39,300
citation on George Soros, 
funding bolshevism, in America. 

962
00:52:39,300 --> 00:52:42,100
I'm not a neoliberal. 
I don't even like George Soros, 

963
00:52:42,100 --> 00:52:44,300
but that's a bit hyperbolic. 
And second. 

964
00:52:44,700 --> 00:52:47,400
You mentioned the mujahideen. 
I have a question for you. 

965
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,400
Keith. 
What do you think was a greater 

966
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,400
threat to America in the 80s? 
The evil empire. 

967
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,500
The Communist aiming for A 
thousand nuclear weapons in 

968
00:52:55,500 --> 00:52:59,200
America with the potential to 
kill most of America's 

969
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:05,000
population in 3 or 4 hours or 
some guys, in the desert. 

970
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:10,900
Some of whom 25 years down the 
road helped others kill 3,000 

971
00:53:10,900 --> 00:53:14,500
Americans in 2001, which is a 
bigger threat in the 1980s. 

972
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,800
So those are my two questions 
bigger threat in. 

973
00:53:17,808 --> 00:53:20,400
The 1980s, is the Soviet Union 
proof. 

974
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,500
George Soros is funding 
bolshevism. 

975
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:26,700
In America is His open funding 
of the open societies 

976
00:53:26,700 --> 00:53:30,900
Foundation, which Advocates the 
ideology of socialism, the 

977
00:53:30,900 --> 00:53:33,500
institutionalized recognition of
private property. 

978
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,500
I'm sorry, the institutionalize 
aggression against private 

979
00:53:37,500 --> 00:53:42,000
property, which is in contrast 
to civilization and cap known as

980
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,800
capitalism, the 
institutionalized recognition of

981
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,200
private property and 
non-aggressive, contractual 

982
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,300
exchanges between private 
property owners. 

983
00:53:50,700 --> 00:53:55,100
There is my Mi evidence. 
Okay, so We'll go Point by 

984
00:53:55,100 --> 00:53:57,000
point. 
So the first point you you came 

985
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,000
to the same conclusion as me. 
The Soviet Union. 

986
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:00,400
So then that raises the 
question. 

987
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:02,600
What do you do about it? 
You got to do everything in your

988
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:06,500
power, to fight the evil empire.
Because if you don't fight like 

989
00:54:06,500 --> 00:54:08,400
your life, depends on it, they 
will. 

990
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,000
And they will bury you. 
And so, you have to work with 

991
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:12,600
Pinochet. 
Even though he's a bad guy. 

992
00:54:12,700 --> 00:54:14,600
You have to work with the 
contras even though they're bad,

993
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:16,000
guys. 
And you have to work with the 

994
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,100
mujahideen, even though they're 
bad, guys, because the 

995
00:54:18,100 --> 00:54:20,900
Communists are worse. 
So, you can understand that the 

996
00:54:20,900 --> 00:54:25,500
mujahideen was the guys to work.
With as opposed to letting the 

997
00:54:25,500 --> 00:54:27,600
Soviets, take over Afghanistan, 
right? 

998
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:29,500
So it seems like, we're almost 
an agreement. 

999
00:54:29,500 --> 00:54:30,900
There. 
Is that correct? 

1000
00:54:31,300 --> 00:54:34,300
Correct. 
There is that there are times 

1001
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:40,200
where you have to side with evil
people in order to conquer a 

1002
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,600
greater evil. 
There's nothing anti-liberal 

1003
00:54:42,900 --> 00:54:44,800
tearing about that. 
As I mentioned in my opening 

1004
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:50,400
statement in order to justify a 
war which you would want is 

1005
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:54,800
voluntary funding voluntary 
Association and to We use 

1006
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:59,300
aggression defensively against 
people who are already 

1007
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,800
aggressing. 
I do want to ask you about 

1008
00:55:01,900 --> 00:55:06,000
Afghanistan. 
So if I look at decision points 

1009
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:10,500
page, 192 by George Bush, I laid
out an ultimatum to the Taliban.

1010
00:55:10,700 --> 00:55:14,000
They will hand over the 
terrorists, or they will share 

1011
00:55:14,100 --> 00:55:16,100
their fate. 
We had little hope that 

1012
00:55:16,100 --> 00:55:19,800
Afghanistan leaders would heat 
it but exposing their Defiance 

1013
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:23,800
to the world would firm up our 
justification for a military. 

1014
00:55:23,900 --> 00:55:27,000
Three strike. 
If I look at the guardian 

1015
00:55:27,300 --> 00:55:32,500
article and along with CBC News,
White House says, no to Taliban 

1016
00:55:32,500 --> 00:55:37,000
demand for proof that they were 
behind 9/11, or they are 

1017
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,600
associated with Al-Qaeda. 
Operatives, Gareth Porter, u.s. 

1018
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:45,100
Refusal, 2001, Taliban offer 
gave Bin Laden a free pass. 

1019
00:55:45,100 --> 00:55:47,800
According to the internal press 
service, u.s. 

1020
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:52,500
Rejects new, Taliban offer, ABC 
News, October 14. 2001, Bush 

1021
00:55:52,500 --> 00:55:55,500
rejects, Taliban. 
Bin Laden offer, Washington 

1022
00:55:55,500 --> 00:56:00,600
Post, October 14 2001, along 
with new offer, on Bin Laden, 

1023
00:56:00,700 --> 00:56:03,900
according to the guardian 
October 16th 2001. 

1024
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,000
Should the u.s. 
Have invaded Afghanistan or 

1025
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:12,500
negotiated to hand over Bin 
Laden and Anwar Al zawahiri? 

1026
00:56:12,900 --> 00:56:13,300
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1027
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,100
We shouldn't negotiate with 
terrorists. 

1028
00:56:15,100 --> 00:56:17,000
The Taliban are in and of 
themselves. 

1029
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:18,600
Absolutely. 
Terrorists, terrorists. 

1030
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:22,500
They were accomplices to 911. 
They were as responsible for 

1031
00:56:22,500 --> 00:56:26,900
9/11 as, The driver in a 
drive-by shooting, who's driving

1032
00:56:26,900 --> 00:56:30,200
the vehicle while the passenger 
riding shot gun, shoots your 

1033
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:34,500
kid, you'd still want that 
driver to go to jail for a long 

1034
00:56:34,500 --> 00:56:36,300
ass time. 
You wouldn't be like, oh, he's 

1035
00:56:36,300 --> 00:56:38,700
just the driver. 
It was the passenger who shot 

1036
00:56:38,700 --> 00:56:40,100
the gun. 
It's like, no, they're both 

1037
00:56:40,100 --> 00:56:43,600
accomplices now. 
Yes, the Taliban didn't want to 

1038
00:56:43,607 --> 00:56:47,000
be invaded by America. 
So they were happy to sell out 

1039
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:48,500
these terrorists that they work 
with. 

1040
00:56:48,500 --> 00:56:50,800
And be like, okay. 
Well, we'll rat out on these 

1041
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:52,100
guys. 
Now just spare us. 

1042
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:55,800
That's what happens with 
Enterprise's, oftentimes likes, 

1043
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,700
let's say two guys. 
Let's call them Al-Qaeda and 

1044
00:56:58,700 --> 00:57:02,700
Taliban two guys in l.a. 
They go and rob a bank and then 

1045
00:57:02,700 --> 00:57:05,600
the cops catch up with them. 
And then Taliban says, hey man, 

1046
00:57:05,700 --> 00:57:07,200
I'll tell you where I'll kinda 
is hiding. 

1047
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,500
Just like, don't put me in jail,
man, that happens all the time. 

1048
00:57:10,500 --> 00:57:12,900
That doesn't mean they're not 
both guilty of robbing the bank 

1049
00:57:12,900 --> 00:57:15,800
or both accomplices. 
It simply means that the Taliban

1050
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,200
was perfectly fine to sell out 
their old comrades. 

1051
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,300
That doesn't make them the good 
guys, and it doesn't make them 

1052
00:57:21,300 --> 00:57:25,400
not responsible and you got it. 
Kill the Taliban and you gotta 

1053
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,700
kill the 10. 
You guy, go all Qaeda because 

1054
00:57:27,700 --> 00:57:30,300
they were both responsible and 
you don't negotiate with 

1055
00:57:30,300 --> 00:57:32,100
terrorists. 
That's my stance on it. 

1056
00:57:32,100 --> 00:57:34,900
And I'm very glad that the Bush 
Administration had the moral 

1057
00:57:34,900 --> 00:57:38,000
High Ground to go after both and
bring them, both to justice. 

1058
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:39,800
That was based in hock built 
now. 

1059
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:43,700
Additionally, I did want to get 
to something, which the you 

1060
00:57:43,700 --> 00:57:49,100
mentioned you mentioned Keith. 
You mentioned about how that 

1061
00:57:49,300 --> 00:57:50,300
you. 
Well, actually you mentioned a 

1062
00:57:50,308 --> 00:57:51,700
couple of things. 
The first thing that I wanted to

1063
00:57:51,707 --> 00:57:55,200
mention was when you talk about 
how It's not in congruent with 

1064
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:59,500
libertarianism to actually work 
with Bad actors abroad, you 

1065
00:57:59,500 --> 00:58:02,500
know, to help you. 
That's actually a point there 

1066
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:06,000
where, when you were talking 
about how, yes, you sometimes 

1067
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,200
have to work with bad guys 
against bigger bad. 

1068
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:10,500
Guys. 
You're now an agreement with 

1069
00:58:10,500 --> 00:58:14,000
Jeanne Kirkpatrick, the 
notorious neoconservative. 

1070
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,400
So that's actually a point of 
Common Ground. 

1071
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,200
Now you're having with a 
neoconservative. 

1072
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,800
Jean Kirkpatrick who had the 
Kirkpatrick doctrine of you 

1073
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:26,500
know, supporting Right-wing 
dictatorships out there in Latin

1074
00:58:26,500 --> 00:58:30,200
America, in the Middle East, 
Etc, working with, you know, 

1075
00:58:30,300 --> 00:58:32,100
Muslims and stuff against 
communist. 

1076
00:58:32,100 --> 00:58:36,200
So, so that we have an area of 
agreement between a Libertarian 

1077
00:58:36,300 --> 00:58:38,500
and a neoconservative. 
So that's cool. 

1078
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:41,500
Additionally, you mentioned 
defensive you mentioned the 

1079
00:58:41,500 --> 00:58:43,900
defensive aspect of it. 
I guess. 

1080
00:58:43,900 --> 00:58:47,300
I got a question for you Keith, 
which is that if it's very clear

1081
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:51,600
that a future enemy or an enemy,
the day that hasn't attacked yet

1082
00:58:51,700 --> 00:58:55,700
is building up their Arsenal. 
Doesn't it make sense to go in 

1083
00:58:55,700 --> 00:58:59,200
and kick their ass before? 
They come for you versus waiting

1084
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,900
for them to come for you? 
So you can have some moral 

1085
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:05,900
justification to fight back. 
So for example, let's talk about

1086
00:59:05,900 --> 00:59:08,000
North Korea. 
It's very clear with North Korea

1087
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:09,500
that they're building up enough 
nukes. 

1088
00:59:09,500 --> 00:59:12,200
As I talked about on my channel 
for a long time, the blackmail 

1089
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:16,600
America, so that they can invade
the self and tell America. 

1090
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,600
You're not going to stand up to 
your security considerations. 

1091
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:21,300
You're going to let us go in 
there and take your guys 

1092
00:59:21,300 --> 00:59:24,200
prisoner and you're not going to
stop us because if You do will 

1093
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,300
new go to your city. 
So it's obvious that that's what

1094
00:59:26,300 --> 00:59:29,200
they're going to do. 
Should America launched the 

1095
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:31,800
first strike and take them out 
before they get enough nukes to 

1096
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,600
do that? 
Or should America wait and be 

1097
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:37,000
caught. 
I guess that's my my question, 

1098
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,100
because it seems like waiting 
for the enemy to fight on their 

1099
00:59:40,100 --> 00:59:43,200
terms is stupid. 
So that's why I'm a massive 

1100
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:46,200
Advocate, a huge supporter of 
pre-emptive War. 

1101
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:54,400
So, So is far as a preemptively 
striking an enemy. 

1102
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:58,500
I would simply have the, you're 
going to be shocked, the 

1103
00:59:58,500 --> 01:00:03,600
libertarian response of making 
sure that we don't have a double

1104
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,800
standard for government as 
opposed to aggressors. 

1105
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:11,400
So if I have a plan and here I 
have it written out. 

1106
01:00:11,500 --> 01:00:14,400
I'm going to kill Bob. 
I'm going to go to Bob's house 

1107
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:16,700
and then I'm going to wait till 
he's asleep. 

1108
01:00:16,700 --> 01:00:21,400
And then I'm going to kill Bob. 
If at some point, if I say I 

1109
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:24,200
hate him, that is not a 
justification to shoot me in the

1110
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:27,700
head. 
Well, if I have a total plan and

1111
01:00:27,700 --> 01:00:32,000
all out operation to murder this
peaceful individual, then you 

1112
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:33,800
would not be initiating 
aggression. 

1113
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,700
You would be responding to an 
open-ended aggressor. 

1114
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:42,800
Again, I am not against stopping
people from initiating violence.

1115
01:00:43,100 --> 01:00:45,400
When they have already 
demonstrated themselves to be a 

1116
01:00:45,500 --> 01:00:47,600
threat. 
All I'm saying, is I don't have 

1117
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:49,300
a double standard. 
A government. 

1118
01:00:49,700 --> 01:00:56,800
So when it comes to the Taliban 
and Al Qaeda, if I cite a June 

1119
01:00:56,800 --> 01:01:03,700
14th, 2001 before 9/11. 
Mullah Omar says about Bin 

1120
01:01:03,700 --> 01:01:06,900
Laden. 
Bin Laden is null and void. 

1121
01:01:06,900 --> 01:01:10,100
This is who is often referred to
as the father of Afghanistan's 

1122
01:01:10,100 --> 01:01:12,900
Taliban. 
Mullah Omar also known as 

1123
01:01:12,900 --> 01:01:16,300
Mohammed Omar. 
He said that Bin Laden is like a

1124
01:01:16,300 --> 01:01:18,300
chicken bone in my throat. 
I can't either. 

1125
01:01:18,500 --> 01:01:22,000
Call him nor spit him out when 
we're talking about Al-Qaeda and

1126
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,400
the Taliban were talking about 
two different organizations. 

1127
01:01:24,700 --> 01:01:28,400
Granted were talking about two 
different competing evil. 

1128
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:32,600
Tyranny organizations, who I am 
not siding with at all. 

1129
01:01:32,900 --> 01:01:38,500
But the idea that we had to 
invade Afghanistan, and we had 

1130
01:01:38,500 --> 01:01:42,500
to be bogged down in a 20-year 
war is not the case at all. 

1131
01:01:42,700 --> 01:01:47,400
We could have treated 9/11 as we
treated something like any other

1132
01:01:47,500 --> 01:01:50,800
terrorist. 
Crime as a crime, we would have 

1133
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,100
gone after the people. 
We would have looked at who had 

1134
01:01:53,100 --> 01:01:58,600
the incentive to create the 
bombs, or fly the planes in the 

1135
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:00,300
first place. 
And then we would have gone 

1136
01:02:00,300 --> 01:02:03,700
after those individuals who 
actually participated in the 

1137
01:02:03,700 --> 01:02:06,200
immoral actions. 
We would not have Justified a 

1138
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:09,100
war. 
For example, if I commit an act 

1139
01:02:09,100 --> 01:02:12,800
of evil you wouldn't go to war 
against ever Zona, he would go 

1140
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,000
to war against me and my 
co-conspirators. 

1141
01:02:15,300 --> 01:02:18,300
All I'm saying is the same 
principle you have for people. 

1142
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:21,300
In this geographical area called
America. 

1143
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:24,900
You have for this geographical 
area called Afghanistan or 

1144
01:02:24,900 --> 01:02:29,100
Africa or China, or the Middle 
East, or anything else? 

1145
01:02:29,100 --> 01:02:33,200
Because the neoconservatism, 
philosophy does not address that

1146
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:36,800
double standard is why it is 
wrong and libertarianism is 

1147
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:40,400
right. 
We do address the double 

1148
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:44,300
standard that you bring up. 
I just want to quickly go to the

1149
01:02:44,300 --> 01:02:46,900
point about the Taliban. 
Do the Taliban harbored 

1150
01:02:46,900 --> 01:02:49,000
Al-Qaeda. 
They were Supporters. 

1151
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:51,100
And then afterwards, when it was
clear, that the u.s. 

1152
01:02:51,100 --> 01:02:53,600
Was going to invade, they sold 
out Al Qaeda. 

1153
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:55,500
That's pretty clear. 
That doesn't make them the good 

1154
01:02:55,500 --> 01:02:57,500
guys. 
And additionally, when you 

1155
01:02:57,500 --> 01:02:59,600
mentioned those incentives and 
stuff, I want to touch on 

1156
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:01,600
something that you mentioned in 
your opening statements. 

1157
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:06,900
You talked about how Al-Qaeda 
used their justification being 

1158
01:03:06,900 --> 01:03:09,700
that, you know, they hate the 
Saudi royals and they hate that 

1159
01:03:09,700 --> 01:03:12,900
the West is in Saudi Arabia. 
That's like their main point. 

1160
01:03:12,900 --> 01:03:14,700
They want to get the west of 
Saudi Arabia. 

1161
01:03:15,100 --> 01:03:17,700
It almost seemed like, 
victim-blaming, where he was 

1162
01:03:17,700 --> 01:03:20,400
almost impossible. 
Saying that America asked for 

1163
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:24,200
9/11 by standing with her 
allies, because Saudi Arabia is 

1164
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:27,100
a great Ally of America, for 
example, and the Royals are 

1165
01:03:27,100 --> 01:03:30,100
friends. 
And, and, and without them, you 

1166
01:03:30,100 --> 01:03:33,200
would have an Islamic State, 
like, Isis led by wahhabists. 

1167
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:36,200
Clerics, that would be causing 
Untold destruction. 

1168
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:39,400
And the region, the house of 
solid is a great force for 

1169
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:42,600
stability in the region. 
And they actively help against 

1170
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:46,100
Iran and Russia, for example, 
and in terms of oils, as well as

1171
01:03:46,100 --> 01:03:50,000
military considerations. 
And so, when you talk about the 

1172
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:53,500
investigate their incentives, we
know what, Al qaeda's incentives

1173
01:03:53,500 --> 01:03:57,100
were they hated America. 
They wanted America out of Saudi

1174
01:03:57,100 --> 01:03:59,800
Arabia, so that they could 
butcher Saudi Arabia, and go on 

1175
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:04,400
their Jihad and everything. 
And, and so, who would you go 

1176
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:06,500
after? 
I've got a question for you 

1177
01:04:06,500 --> 01:04:07,700
keys? 
Because when you say, you would 

1178
01:04:07,700 --> 01:04:11,600
go after those who did it, and 
look at their incentives, who, 

1179
01:04:11,900 --> 01:04:15,000
who would you go after? 
But would it just be Bin Laden 

1180
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:16,700
and you leave? 
The Taliban alone? 

1181
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:20,400
Is that it? 
No, I would have taken the 

1182
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:22,700
Taliban has offered a Handover 
Bin Laden. 

1183
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:26,500
I was always, I would also have 
them and over Ayman al-zawahiri,

1184
01:04:26,500 --> 01:04:31,300
the Egyptian doctor who took 
over the Azam group with Osama. 

1185
01:04:31,300 --> 01:04:33,600
Bin Laden. 
I would also have them hand over

1186
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:39,200
zarqawi who was advocating an 
Islamic State in Iraq. 

1187
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:43,200
This is someone clearly in 
opposition to the non-aggression

1188
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:46,800
principle, that totally would 
have been Justified, maybe, even

1189
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:50,700
some Taliban. 
Leaders, I don't know, the all 

1190
01:04:50,700 --> 01:04:56,000
the specifics, but all I know, 
is that starting a 20-year war 

1191
01:04:56,200 --> 01:05:00,100
against a nation where according
to the official story written by

1192
01:05:00,100 --> 01:05:04,200
Philip zelikow 15 of the 19 
hijackers were from Saudi 

1193
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:05,900
Arabia. 
Not Afghanistan. 

1194
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:08,800
The other words came from the 
United Arab Emirates. 

1195
01:05:09,500 --> 01:05:12,000
No, no Bin Laden. 
And those guys were exiled, not 

1196
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,700
all them were exiled. 
But to say that they were, oh, 

1197
01:05:14,700 --> 01:05:17,300
they were Saudi. 
That's like saying that if 

1198
01:05:17,300 --> 01:05:20,400
somebody from Canada, Goes and 
signs up with Isis and they go 

1199
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:24,000
and committed terrorist attacks.
A in Lebanon that oh, well, 

1200
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:25,500
actually that guy was from 
Canada. 

1201
01:05:25,500 --> 01:05:27,100
So, therefore, it was Canada's 
fault. 

1202
01:05:27,100 --> 01:05:30,500
I got news, man. 
Saudi Arabia, the the house of 

1203
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:35,100
Saud despises, Al-Qaeda their 
enemies, they've been at War to 

1204
01:05:35,100 --> 01:05:39,700
blame, Al Qaeda. 
And, and those guys being Saudi 

1205
01:05:39,900 --> 01:05:43,000
on, the Saudi government is 
like, I'm just going to say. 

1206
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,500
It's basically racist. 
It's basically saying like 

1207
01:05:45,500 --> 01:05:49,300
they're Arabs Saudi Arabia, like
they have, Nothing in common 

1208
01:05:49,300 --> 01:05:52,600
with the Saudi royalty. 
So they hate this out a Royals 

1209
01:05:53,500 --> 01:05:57,500
not at all. 
Do you s sided with Saudi Arabia

1210
01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:02,600
and in doing so they supported 
al-Qaeda in Iraq. 

1211
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:05,500
While taking out Saddam, they 
supported al-Qaeda in Syria 

1212
01:06:05,700 --> 01:06:09,600
against Assad. 
They supported Al-Qaeda Libya 

1213
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:21,100
against me. 
Funding Al-Qaeda working with 

1214
01:06:21,100 --> 01:06:22,700
al-Qaeda in Syria. 
That's not true. 

1215
01:06:22,700 --> 01:06:25,900
That's like a Jimmy boy shit. 
It's completely true. 

1216
01:06:25,900 --> 01:06:30,200
It's that is not true. 
I need a citation Pro operation.

1217
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:33,000
Timber, Sycamore in which Jacob 
Sullivan. 

1218
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:36,800
The current national security 
advisor for Joe, Biden sent a 

1219
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:40,500
memo to Hillary Clinton. 
Make sure Hillary knows were on 

1220
01:06:40,500 --> 01:06:44,900
Al-Qaeda side in Syria against 
big news. 

1221
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:50,600
Literally. 
The u.s. 

1222
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:53,200
Is signing with Al Qaeda against
Assad in Syria. 

1223
01:06:53,300 --> 01:06:56,400
How about Joe Biden? 
The current president of America

1224
01:06:56,400 --> 01:07:00,700
at Harvard saying we cited with 
Al nusra in Syria, because 

1225
01:07:00,700 --> 01:07:04,300
there's no Thomas Jefferson. 
There's no James Madison for us 

1226
01:07:04,300 --> 01:07:08,600
to side with how about General, 
Michael Flynn on al-jazeera 

1227
01:07:08,700 --> 01:07:13,200
saying we saw the rise of Isis 
because we wanted Assad gone to 

1228
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:16,600
weaken Iran. 
How about John Kerry when he was

1229
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:20,500
on recorded tape saying? 
NG we saw the rise of the 

1230
01:07:20,500 --> 01:07:23,000
Islamic State, but we thought we
could handle it. 

1231
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:26,400
This is what they do with it on 
creating them out. 

1232
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:28,400
Like I'm not a fan of John 
Kerry. 

1233
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:31,200
He's a pigeon. 
Look here's the deal. 

1234
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:33,200
Here's the deal with everything 
there. 

1235
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:35,800
You talk about Al-Qaeda and 
al-nusra in Syria. 

1236
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:38,900
I got news dude. 
Those guys are horrible and to 

1237
01:07:38,900 --> 01:07:40,800
say that the United States 
worked with Al-Qaeda is 

1238
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:43,500
basically conspiracy theory 
that's been debunked. 

1239
01:07:43,500 --> 01:07:46,800
However, even if it were true, 
even if it were true, but 

1240
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:50,300
Charles the butcher is killed. 
Five hundred thousand syrians 

1241
01:07:50,300 --> 01:07:54,900
and for State million, to flee 
to Europe in comparison to that 

1242
01:07:54,900 --> 01:07:58,700
those guys look like Angels, you
know, why not work with the 

1243
01:07:58,700 --> 01:08:01,300
Lesser evil. 
We work with Pinochet work, with

1244
01:08:01,300 --> 01:08:04,400
the mujahideen work with all 
kinds of actors before. 

1245
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:05,900
Now. 
I'm not saying that the United 

1246
01:08:05,900 --> 01:08:08,300
States worked with Al-Qaeda that
the u.s. 

1247
01:08:08,300 --> 01:08:11,900
Work with some aspects of for 
example, the free Syrian Army 

1248
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:15,800
that turned out later on and as 
well as some of the democratic 

1249
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:18,000
opposition that as the war Drew 
on. 

1250
01:08:18,899 --> 01:08:22,000
Became more radicalized because 
they saw that the Westin offer 

1251
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:25,399
very much support at all. 
And and they turned to more 

1252
01:08:25,399 --> 01:08:27,899
extreme routes. 
You mentioned Afghanistan. 

1253
01:08:28,100 --> 01:08:30,600
What would your not in favor of 
starting a 20-year War? 

1254
01:08:30,700 --> 01:08:31,399
Neither? 
Am I? 

1255
01:08:31,399 --> 01:08:33,300
The war would have been over way
sooner. 

1256
01:08:33,300 --> 01:08:36,500
If we had just stayed the 
course, and done the Surge, and 

1257
01:08:36,500 --> 01:08:39,600
then proceeded it up with 
helping the state get itself 

1258
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:41,800
together. 
And doing some nation-building, 

1259
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:44,399
most of that time when they've 
even been conflict. 

1260
01:08:44,399 --> 01:08:47,800
The war would have been over in 
like 10, 15 years, the age draws

1261
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:52,300
on because Have people like you 
trying to undermine the 

1262
01:08:52,500 --> 01:08:54,600
commitment? 
The Troop presence. 

1263
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:57,200
The force application in these 
areas. 

1264
01:08:57,399 --> 01:09:00,500
And so I want to end the endless
Wars by winning them. 

1265
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:03,800
I don't want to do a yo-yo thing
where we pull out after 20 

1266
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:05,500
years, but we haven't solved the
problem. 

1267
01:09:05,500 --> 01:09:08,000
So now they strike again and 
then we have to go back because 

1268
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:10,500
now the people want to get blood
for those that killed their 

1269
01:09:10,500 --> 01:09:13,200
families in another 9/11 and so 
on and so forth. 

1270
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:14,700
I let's just get rid of the 
problem. 

1271
01:09:14,899 --> 01:09:17,100
Nip it in the butt. 
You talked about working with 

1272
01:09:17,100 --> 01:09:18,500
Saudi Arabia's, if that's 
somehow bad. 

1273
01:09:18,700 --> 01:09:21,800
Bad. 
Saudi Arabia is, is one of 

1274
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:25,500
America's most loyal allies. 
They've done so much to help the

1275
01:09:25,500 --> 01:09:28,300
West as they work with Israel. 
Think about that. 

1276
01:09:28,300 --> 01:09:31,700
This is a state that used to 
embargo America, for recognizing

1277
01:09:31,700 --> 01:09:34,000
Israel. 
And now they work with Israel. 

1278
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:38,300
This is a state that used to ban
women from doing anything that 

1279
01:09:38,300 --> 01:09:41,700
now women have some minimal 
freedoms and they're moving in 

1280
01:09:41,700 --> 01:09:45,800
the right direction that Saudi 
Arabia has done world's to help 

1281
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:48,600
with Iran with Russia. 
For example. 

1282
01:09:48,700 --> 01:09:52,700
Old undercut Putin on oil prices
and that hurts Putin big time. 

1283
01:09:52,899 --> 01:09:56,300
You look at 2014. 
For example, I mean, it looks 

1284
01:09:56,300 --> 01:09:59,000
like you're taking Taliban and 
Al-Qaeda talking points and 

1285
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:02,500
saying they're mad about us. 
So therefore not, let's not be 

1286
01:10:02,500 --> 01:10:03,800
us. 
It's like how will this? 

1287
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:06,400
Let's be lions and Hawks and 
admit that, yes. 

1288
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:08,900
Al-Qaeda doesn't like what we're
doing, you know what? 

1289
01:10:08,900 --> 01:10:12,900
They can go and cry about it. 
They can go and jerk each other 

1290
01:10:12,900 --> 01:10:15,000
off and be upset about it and 
everything. 

1291
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:17,400
That's their business. 
That's they think they're going 

1292
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:19,800
to be upset about that. 
You know, what good. 

1293
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:22,800
I want them to fume and doom 
because they're my enemies. 

1294
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:26,000
It's kind of like, saying well, 
you know, Kim Kim, scared that 

1295
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:27,900
America's Got nukes. 
So he wants nukes. 

1296
01:10:27,900 --> 01:10:29,800
I'm like, oh, yeah, I get why he
wants nukes. 

1297
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:31,900
I get what he's scared. 
He should be scared. 

1298
01:10:31,900 --> 01:10:35,500
I'm not playing Sympathy for the
Devil here. 

1299
01:10:35,500 --> 01:10:38,100
I want a nuke his ass, you know,
that's me. 

1300
01:10:38,100 --> 01:10:42,200
So the problem is you're not 
nuking Kim, you're gonna end up 

1301
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:45,800
nuking the civilians that Kim is
already oppressing. 

1302
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:48,500
When it comes to Saudi Arabia. 
They are an hour. 

1303
01:10:49,100 --> 01:10:53,200
In the same way, Glenn Maxwell 
is an ally to Jeffrey Epstein. 

1304
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:56,000
They are an ally in the mass 
murderer. 

1305
01:10:56,000 --> 01:11:02,600
Atrocities that exist in Yemen. 
Let me give you an example that 

1306
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:06,300
the houthis to let him finish. 
Kevin, gotta let him finish his 

1307
01:11:06,300 --> 01:11:11,600
stable. 
So II, do want to move on. 

1308
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:14,900
Please respond to that in your 
response to this as well. 

1309
01:11:15,500 --> 01:11:18,500
In 1993 Bill Clinton gassed his 
own. 

1310
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:23,400
Own people in Waco, Texas, would
Russia be justified in 

1311
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:26,800
blockading America staging, a 
coup and installing a new 

1312
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:30,400
president because Bill Clinton 
gassed his own people in Waco, 

1313
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:33,400
Texas. 
The people at Waco were 

1314
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:36,800
criminals and Thugs and 
insurrectionists in seditious 

1315
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:40,600
Traders, Russia. 
In contrast is an evil empire 

1316
01:11:40,900 --> 01:11:44,000
that has no moral High Ground. 
America is an exceptional 

1317
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:47,400
superpower and to say, oh well, 
Russia is a different state 

1318
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:49,900
would if they did something. 
Of Russia does something. 

1319
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:52,500
Like, let's say, Russia goes 
into Syria. 

1320
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:54,000
I don't like that. 
They're my enemy. 

1321
01:11:54,100 --> 01:11:55,900
If America goes into Syria, 
great. 

1322
01:11:55,900 --> 01:11:58,600
I've been advocating for that 
for a long time, you know, it 

1323
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:01,500
should happen in 2011. 
There are different states with 

1324
01:12:01,500 --> 01:12:04,100
different ideologies, different 
morality. 

1325
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:06,600
I support America. 
I don't support Russia. 

1326
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:10,300
And as far as the Thugs and 
terrorists at Waco, they 

1327
01:12:10,300 --> 01:12:12,200
deserve, what happened to them. 
I'll say that. 

1328
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:15,100
So, how about the children at 
Waco? 

1329
01:12:15,100 --> 01:12:18,500
Did they deserve to be lit on 
fire by the FBI? 

1330
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:23,000
By Spring CS gas and initiating 
a fire after a 51-day standoff 

1331
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:26,800
in blockade. 
Collateral damage happens in 

1332
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:29,500
every conflict. 
It's not something you root for 

1333
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:33,200
it'll but it's an inevitable 
part of dealing with those that 

1334
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:36,600
wage violence against you. 
So exactly. 

1335
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:41,200
And the Branch Davidians were 
not initiating violence against 

1336
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:44,800
anyone. 
The ATF originally came there to

1337
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:49,600
Stage an operation Showtime 
which was to resolve them of the

1338
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:51,900
atrocities. 
They committed against Vicki 

1339
01:12:51,900 --> 01:12:55,500
Weaver at Ruby Ridge. 
So, this this, again, Is more 

1340
01:12:55,500 --> 01:12:59,700
false nonsense that the 
government creates a problem so 

1341
01:12:59,700 --> 01:13:05,400
they can allegedly give us a 
solution which is no no more 

1342
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:07,400
Justified than what was 
happening. 

1343
01:13:07,500 --> 01:13:10,800
But beforehand, for example, 
you're a cult. 

1344
01:13:11,100 --> 01:13:15,800
They were called dude. 
They didn't look the other be 

1345
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:18,700
able to leave. 
Yes. 

1346
01:13:18,700 --> 01:13:21,500
They work. 
That's why David koresh allowed 

1347
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:24,700
people to leave the I think 
there were 31 people who left. 

1348
01:13:24,900 --> 01:13:28,000
Before day 51, that's according 
to David Thibodeau. 

1349
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:31,200
A Waco Survivor who wrote a book
called the place called Waco and

1350
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:34,700
I interviewed on my channel. 
This is all fake news. 

1351
01:13:34,700 --> 01:13:37,800
It's the idea that well 
government murder isn't really 

1352
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:42,100
murder because there's other bad
people for example, Mormonism or

1353
01:13:42,100 --> 01:13:45,500
Scientology or the believe in 
statism is a called. 

1354
01:13:45,500 --> 01:13:49,200
The idea that the president said
words and then wrote them on 

1355
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:51,500
paper. 
So we have to abide by his 

1356
01:13:51,500 --> 01:13:54,400
executive orders. 
That is a cult that does not 

1357
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:56,200
give me the right. 
To murder you any more than it 

1358
01:13:56,200 --> 01:14:00,000
gives the FBI, the right to 
murder, the Branch Davidians. 

1359
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:03,400
They were totally peaceful until
the ATF initiated violence 

1360
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:06,900
against them. 
That is an actual example of how

1361
01:14:06,900 --> 01:14:09,700
people like you will justify 
violence against American 

1362
01:14:09,700 --> 01:14:13,700
citizens, because you've already
Justified it against people in a

1363
01:14:13,708 --> 01:14:16,700
different geographical area. 
That is the problem with 

1364
01:14:16,700 --> 01:14:18,600
neoconservatism. 
It hurts. 

1365
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:22,100
You just as much as it hurts 
anyone else and it also happens 

1366
01:14:22,100 --> 01:14:26,300
to be immoral and inconsistent, 
but Is the utilitarian argument 

1367
01:14:26,300 --> 01:14:30,000
against it is the chickens will 
come home to roost. 

1368
01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:35,700
Wait, so you're just gonna 
tolerate that sort of that sort 

1369
01:14:35,700 --> 01:14:37,600
of behavior to go. 
Unchecked. 

1370
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:39,300
Basically, that's it. 
That's what it is. 

1371
01:14:39,300 --> 01:14:41,300
That's what we're dealing with. 
And you also mention. 

1372
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:44,600
Oh, well, just because the 
president signs it what? 

1373
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:46,600
It's just a social construct, 
bro. 

1374
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:49,300
That's sort of thing. 
No, I actually happen to believe

1375
01:14:49,300 --> 01:14:52,100
that the president is the 
legitimate leader of the Free 

1376
01:14:52,100 --> 01:14:55,600
World as elected by the people 
of the United States and that 

1377
01:14:55,700 --> 01:14:59,700
his or her words mean things. 
And that you can choose to go 

1378
01:14:59,700 --> 01:15:01,700
the sovereign. 
And round and say, oh, I'm not 

1379
01:15:01,700 --> 01:15:03,300
going to pay attention to that 
or whatever. 

1380
01:15:03,500 --> 01:15:06,100
That's fine. 
As long as you still follow laws

1381
01:15:06,100 --> 01:15:08,700
and everything. 
And if you violate that, I know 

1382
01:15:08,700 --> 01:15:11,900
I was listening to one of your 
episodes that you had done 

1383
01:15:11,900 --> 01:15:14,700
recently. 
And if I recall correctly, you 

1384
01:15:14,700 --> 01:15:18,300
said look if a citizen goes out 
and kidnap somebody that's a 

1385
01:15:18,300 --> 01:15:21,000
crime called kidnapping, move 
the government put somebody in 

1386
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:23,200
jail, that's called 
incarceration. 

1387
01:15:23,300 --> 01:15:26,500
I got a question for you Keith. 
Are you actually opposed to 

1388
01:15:26,500 --> 01:15:29,700
incarceration? 
Are you opposed to prisons in 

1389
01:15:29,700 --> 01:15:31,600
jail? 
Not at all. 

1390
01:15:31,700 --> 01:15:36,500
All all my standard is is if I 
have the right to do it then a 

1391
01:15:36,500 --> 01:15:38,800
group of people called Congress 
would have the right to do it. 

1392
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:40,600
If I don't have the right to do 
it. 

1393
01:15:40,700 --> 01:15:43,800
Then I don't have the right to 
delegate to Congress, people are

1394
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:45,900
right to do it. 
So, for example, I have the 

1395
01:15:45,900 --> 01:15:51,500
right to put people in cages for
murder most types of fraud most 

1396
01:15:51,500 --> 01:15:54,200
types of theft and for things 
like, kidnapping and trying to 

1397
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:57,600
enslave other human beings that 
is not a violation of 

1398
01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:01,200
libertarian principle. 
It is embracing the In principle

1399
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:04,500
of self defense and 
non-aggression to deter, the 

1400
01:16:04,500 --> 01:16:08,700
aggressors, not to Nuke, the 
city that they happen to live in

1401
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:10,800
because everyone is a 
co-conspirator. 

1402
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:15,900
All I'm saying, is that I hold 
government to the same 

1403
01:16:15,900 --> 01:16:17,400
standards. 
I told anyone else, too. 

1404
01:16:17,500 --> 01:16:20,800
So you have the right to cage a 
murderer and shoot him if he 

1405
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:24,500
resists, because he has 
demonstrated himself to initiate

1406
01:16:24,500 --> 01:16:26,000
violence against peaceful 
people. 

1407
01:16:26,100 --> 01:16:27,900
That is the root of 
libertarianism. 

1408
01:16:27,900 --> 01:16:30,500
What differentiates murder from 
killing someone. 

1409
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:34,100
One who's initiating violence 
against you there, invalidating 

1410
01:16:34,100 --> 01:16:37,800
your consent, the difference 
between sex and rape consent. 

1411
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:40,700
Embracing the libertarian 
principal difference between 

1412
01:16:40,700 --> 01:16:43,100
employment and enslavement 
consent. 

1413
01:16:43,100 --> 01:16:45,200
The embracing of the libertarian
principle. 

1414
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:47,800
The difference between trade and
theft, the principle of 

1415
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:52,000
non-aggression, that is who 
belongs in a cage. 

1416
01:16:52,100 --> 01:16:55,400
Now, most of these people happen
to belong in politics who engage

1417
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:58,600
in the large-scale violations of
the non-aggression principle. 

1418
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:01,700
So, of course, I'm not against 
Reasons I'm against caging 

1419
01:17:01,700 --> 01:17:04,700
people who initiate violence 
against peaceful people because 

1420
01:17:04,700 --> 01:17:08,800
I do not recognize that as a 
legitimate form of civilization,

1421
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:10,800
and human beings interacting 
with one another. 

1422
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:16,200
So, okay, couple points here. 
The first is he's so yes, you 

1423
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:19,600
can do a citizen's arrest but 
you can't just do all kinds of 

1424
01:17:19,608 --> 01:17:23,200
things that your own will you 
need to have, you know, the 

1425
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:27,400
legal authority to do so and we 
have a justice system so that we

1426
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:29,700
don't have cruel and unusual 
punishment, all that kind of 

1427
01:17:29,700 --> 01:17:30,500
stuff. 
We have established. 

1428
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:35,400
Standardized system of just of 
Justice by, you know, train 

1429
01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:38,800
judges and everything that can 
meet out a fair punishment, in 

1430
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:40,600
that case. 
And that's why we have police 

1431
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:43,400
and everything. 
Now, here's the problem is, 

1432
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:45,600
somebody could just as easily 
say, hey man, he didn't do 

1433
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:47,500
anything wrong. 
You're the bad guy in all this 

1434
01:17:47,500 --> 01:17:49,300
and it creates this infinite 
Loop, or now. 

1435
01:17:49,300 --> 01:17:52,300
Somebody can kill you because we
need to have standards. 

1436
01:17:52,300 --> 01:17:53,700
Now. 
I'm not saying you can't take 

1437
01:17:53,700 --> 01:17:56,100
matters into your own hands out 
of self-defense. 

1438
01:17:56,100 --> 01:17:57,600
That is true. 
You can do that. 

1439
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:00,800
But you gotta call the cops and 
other circumstances, but as Our 

1440
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:05,300
as you know, incarceration and 
everything goes basically 

1441
01:18:05,300 --> 01:18:09,500
sounded like to me. 
What you were arguing was that 

1442
01:18:09,500 --> 01:18:13,400
oh, well, it's just the state 
and the state doesn't have any 

1443
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:16,200
sort of like higher legitimacy 
or whatever which misses the 

1444
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:20,000
point that the state in an, in a
representative democracy as the 

1445
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:24,600
United States has a higher order
legitimacy because we entrust 

1446
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:28,800
into them, you know, when 
Authority that as individuals we

1447
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:31,400
can't necessarily do. 
And so, So I've got a question 

1448
01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:34,800
for you Keith, which is that 
should individual citizens be 

1449
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:38,100
allowed to just mine, uranium, 
enriched plutonium and build 

1450
01:18:38,100 --> 01:18:39,700
nukes. 
Is that something that should be

1451
01:18:39,700 --> 01:18:41,200
tolerated? 
Because the government can do 

1452
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:44,300
that, should individual people 
be able to do it or can you see 

1453
01:18:44,300 --> 01:18:49,300
why there would be a problem. 
So at some point you are engaged

1454
01:18:49,300 --> 01:18:53,700
in activities that are such a 
threat to people around you that

1455
01:18:53,700 --> 01:18:57,600
they would be unjustified. 
So an example would be, do I 

1456
01:18:57,608 --> 01:19:00,400
have the right to load a 
revolver and Spinner. 

1457
01:19:00,700 --> 01:19:04,300
Round and pointed at your head 
and then cock the trigger. 

1458
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:07,900
Well, no, do I have the right to
own a revolver? 

1459
01:19:08,100 --> 01:19:11,500
Well, yes, at one point, it's me
owning a weapon for my self 

1460
01:19:11,500 --> 01:19:12,900
defense. 
At another point. 

1461
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:18,300
It's an actual threat to you the
way that we are able to find 

1462
01:19:18,300 --> 01:19:21,300
this equilibrium. 
It's not by entrusting a group 

1463
01:19:21,300 --> 01:19:24,700
of line Mass murderers theft 
funded called Congress. 

1464
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:28,800
The ability is for us to judge 
for ourselves. 

1465
01:19:28,900 --> 01:19:32,700
Now, this sounds Out of chaotic,
and how will anyone. 

1466
01:19:32,700 --> 01:19:36,700
Agree on anything? 
Well, no one agrees on history, 

1467
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:39,500
but we have a free market in 
history, more or less. 

1468
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:42,900
If there wasn't a state, we'd 
have a free market in order for 

1469
01:19:42,900 --> 01:19:45,600
people to recognize something as
legitimate history. 

1470
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:48,900
What you have are competing 
authorities that are voluntarily

1471
01:19:48,900 --> 01:19:52,400
funded, who generally give us an
idea of History. 

1472
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:55,900
What we have in science is 
people who engage in hypothesis 

1473
01:19:55,900 --> 01:19:59,400
and experiments and voluntary 
funding, that would give us an 

1474
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:01,800
understanding of science. 
Just as we would have a 

1475
01:20:01,808 --> 01:20:05,600
voluntarily funded organization 
who gives us an understanding of

1476
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:09,100
natural law and objective 
morality for the same reason. 

1477
01:20:09,100 --> 01:20:12,900
We understand that one plus one 
equals two, we would understand 

1478
01:20:12,900 --> 01:20:16,300
that initiating violence against
peaceful people is inherently 

1479
01:20:16,500 --> 01:20:19,900
immoral. 
So to answer your question, 

1480
01:20:20,700 --> 01:20:24,300
sometimes. 
All they are doing is finding an

1481
01:20:24,300 --> 01:20:27,000
equilibrium. 
It's not immoral for me to Pat 

1482
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:30,400
you on the back. 
It is immoral for me to hit you.

1483
01:20:30,500 --> 01:20:32,400
Thousand times as hard as I 
possibly can. 

1484
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:34,200
What is the exact amount of 
force? 

1485
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:36,200
I have to use at? 
Which it's a point of an 

1486
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:37,700
assault. 
I don't know. 

1487
01:20:37,700 --> 01:20:41,700
Let's have voluntarily funded 
competing judges as bad as those

1488
01:20:41,700 --> 01:20:44,000
voluntarily competing funded 
judges can be. 

1489
01:20:44,100 --> 01:20:46,800
There were hell of a lot better 
than a coercively funded 

1490
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:49,300
Monopoly that claims a double 
standard on the right to 

1491
01:20:49,300 --> 01:20:53,100
initiate violence and put people
in cages for victimless crimes. 

1492
01:20:54,300 --> 01:20:55,100
Okay? 
Okay. 

1493
01:20:55,100 --> 01:20:57,200
So there's a few points there. 
I guess. 

1494
01:20:57,200 --> 01:20:58,600
It's just very, very quickly 
though. 

1495
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:02,300
So you're saying that the 
Citizen or the individual person

1496
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:05,600
shouldn't be allowed to build up
a nuke, right? 

1497
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:07,600
Like even if they don't cock the
nuke. 

1498
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:09,400
It says they shouldn't be 
allowed to have. 

1499
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:12,600
It is what you're saying, right?
Yes, and the principal 

1500
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:16,400
difference between and and this 
doesn't apply for the individual

1501
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:18,900
citizen. 
This is all people, even if 

1502
01:21:18,900 --> 01:21:21,100
they're in the department of 
energy Department of Defense 

1503
01:21:21,100 --> 01:21:25,400
Department of Congress. 
This would still apply because 

1504
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:29,000
something like a nuke. 
You do not have the ability to 

1505
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:33,200
discriminate. 
Eight between violence, but 

1506
01:21:33,200 --> 01:21:36,300
between people, initiating 
violence, and people who are 

1507
01:21:36,300 --> 01:21:41,100
innocent civilians. 
So after the municipality should

1508
01:21:41,100 --> 01:21:42,800
have a nuke, then is what you're
saying. 

1509
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:46,600
Is that, right? 
That way, you would be justified

1510
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:49,900
in stopping. 
Anyone anywhere from advocating 

1511
01:21:49,900 --> 01:21:53,700
arms that do not have the 
ability to discriminate against 

1512
01:21:53,700 --> 01:21:57,700
peaceful individuals and 
individuals initiating violence 

1513
01:21:57,700 --> 01:22:01,300
against peaceful people. 
Yeah, so This is with this 

1514
01:22:01,300 --> 01:22:03,700
society would not have any 
nuclear weapons. 

1515
01:22:03,700 --> 01:22:06,600
Okay, just just for the record 
because a lot of the 

1516
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:10,900
technologies that the military 
has now that minimize collateral

1517
01:22:10,900 --> 01:22:13,800
damage such as drones and 
whatnot, which are far less 

1518
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:16,500
deadly to civilians than carpet 
bombing, which they used to do. 

1519
01:22:16,500 --> 01:22:20,400
Back in the day, all this was 
brought about by huge investment

1520
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:23,200
by the government that 
individual even billionaires 

1521
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:27,100
couldn't have done on their own,
and yet, the government was able

1522
01:22:27,100 --> 01:22:29,600
to do it. 
And now we have a means of going

1523
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:32,000
about strike. 
Acts that are more precise and 

1524
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:36,200
whatnot that limit collateral 
damage, but I initially wanted 

1525
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:41,600
to just get to a different point
of this, which was that you you 

1526
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:44,500
would mention the, The 
Mercenaries, or you talk about 

1527
01:22:44,500 --> 01:22:48,200
private Enterprise earlier. 
And so Machiavelli, you know, 

1528
01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:51,500
more than more than half a 
millennium ago, wrote about how,

1529
01:22:52,100 --> 01:22:54,800
you know, never trust the 
mercenaries, you know, always 

1530
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:57,900
have a national standing army 
because in peacetime The 

1531
01:22:57,900 --> 01:23:00,300
Mercenaries will command from 
you a premium. 

1532
01:23:00,500 --> 01:23:04,000
Any more time, they'll just take
a bid by your enemy and go and 

1533
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:06,400
work for them, you know, because
they offered more money. 

1534
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:09,800
How would you, how would you 
approach that? 

1535
01:23:09,900 --> 01:23:12,800
Don't you understand that? 
There's a point to patriotism 

1536
01:23:13,100 --> 01:23:17,100
and to a national standing army 
that's committed to defend One 

1537
01:23:17,100 --> 01:23:19,900
Nation. 
Not just beholden to whoever's 

1538
01:23:19,900 --> 01:23:22,700
got the highest contract. 
The highest bidder is like, 

1539
01:23:22,700 --> 01:23:26,000
don't you understand that there 
are some elements of security 

1540
01:23:26,100 --> 01:23:29,900
that can't be privatized because
that in its in and of itself 

1541
01:23:29,900 --> 01:23:34,400
would Induce a security 
externality against the people. 

1542
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:40,700
Yes. 
So for this example, I only 

1543
01:23:40,700 --> 01:23:44,600
refer to what I said in my 
opening statement, about what 

1544
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:47,300
makes the state and illegitimate
institution. 

1545
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:50,100
Is it initially its aggression, 
against peaceful people. 

1546
01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:54,200
That is the only thing or rather
it has the institutionalized 

1547
01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:56,900
recognition of initiating 
violence against peaceful 

1548
01:23:56,900 --> 01:23:58,400
people. 
That is the only thing that 

1549
01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:01,700
makes it legitimate. 
So another We have constant 

1550
01:24:01,700 --> 01:24:04,000
allegiances, to people who don't
profit us. 

1551
01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:05,700
We have allegiances to our 
children. 

1552
01:24:05,700 --> 01:24:08,100
Our mothers, our fathers. 
Our churches. 

1553
01:24:08,300 --> 01:24:13,300
Our friends, our allies people 
who we trade with constantly 

1554
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:15,700
people, who we just see valuing 
people. 

1555
01:24:15,700 --> 01:24:20,000
We may have a crush on or a 
desire to be friends with this 

1556
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:25,600
desire to be loyal and to have a
in identity with other human 

1557
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:29,900
beings is totally in line with 
the non-aggression principle and

1558
01:24:29,900 --> 01:24:31,600
the principle I love 
self-ownership. 

1559
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:36,700
So long as you don't have an 
external party claiming extra 

1560
01:24:36,700 --> 01:24:40,000
rights, that no one in the group
has the right to have again. 

1561
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:44,000
If none of us have the right to 
tax people then we can't 

1562
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:46,500
delegate that right to a 
congressman. 

1563
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:49,100
We can't delegate the right to 
kill innocent people. 

1564
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:54,100
To a congressman, the idea that 
well it's going to exist, 

1565
01:24:54,100 --> 01:24:59,000
anyways is not legitimate 
because then it says, well it's 

1566
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:00,800
going to exist. 
Anyways, there for the Catholic 

1567
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:03,900
church has the right to do it in
Amazon and Walmart and the Red 

1568
01:25:03,900 --> 01:25:06,500
Cross and Blue. 
Yeti microphone and Cox 

1569
01:25:06,500 --> 01:25:09,000
Communications. 
And Apple has the right to 

1570
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:12,700
initiate violence because if 
they didn't do it, someone else 

1571
01:25:12,700 --> 01:25:17,100
would that is not a general 
recognition of the conservative 

1572
01:25:17,100 --> 01:25:22,300
principle of a natural order of 
a justification, based on 

1573
01:25:22,300 --> 01:25:26,700
natural law principles. 
So, therefore, natural 

1574
01:25:27,100 --> 01:25:30,300
neoconservatism is in opposition
to natural law. 

1575
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:33,400
Ha and the natural Order of 
Things, far from it being in 

1576
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:37,600
opposition in opposition to a 
hobbesian war of all against 

1577
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:40,000
all. 
Wait, but we don't we don't 

1578
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:44,800
Covenant to allow Amazon, the 
Monopoly on the right to the 

1579
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:47,900
legitimate use of force. 
We Covenant to the state to have

1580
01:25:47,900 --> 01:25:50,300
the legitimate use of force. 
There's a difference there. 

1581
01:25:50,300 --> 01:25:53,800
The state is special. 
We agree in our social contract 

1582
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:56,200
to have the state. 
And in this case, an elected 

1583
01:25:56,200 --> 01:26:01,000
representative democracy to have
that, that that Use the force 

1584
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:02,800
Amazon is different than the US 
government. 

1585
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:07,100
They're not morally equal. 
The US government is, is an 

1586
01:26:07,100 --> 01:26:10,500
exceptional entity, 
additionally, when it comes to 

1587
01:26:10,500 --> 01:26:14,000
all of this. 
I'm not saying that in a vacuum,

1588
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:17,700
for example, this wouldn't be 
something that you maybe could 

1589
01:26:17,700 --> 01:26:19,500
do. 
I think that life would really 

1590
01:26:19,700 --> 01:26:23,000
be hurt by doing this? 
Because you'd be stifling if not

1591
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:26,500
rendering totally impossible. 
Any big project innovation such 

1592
01:26:26,500 --> 01:26:30,200
as the internet, you know, Sal 
lights, missiles, Etc. 

1593
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:32,600
All That kind of stuff, wouldn't
really be possible in a 

1594
01:26:32,608 --> 01:26:36,800
volunteer or Society. 
But additionally, when I talk 

1595
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:40,300
about how it couldn't work 
because there would be a new 

1596
01:26:40,300 --> 01:26:43,500
state that would emerge from it.
I'm not even necessarily 

1597
01:26:43,500 --> 01:26:46,400
implying there that the people 
of what would become the United 

1598
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:47,600
States. 
If we were to go in this 

1599
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:51,900
direction that you're laying 
out, would just immediately, 

1600
01:26:51,900 --> 01:26:53,400
say, okay. 
Let's go back to what we had 

1601
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:55,300
before. 
I'm saying that Russia or China 

1602
01:26:55,300 --> 01:26:58,700
would just come in and now, 
you'd be under a new state and 

1603
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:02,700
any state that had Moral 
depravity to just kill all the 

1604
01:27:02,700 --> 01:27:04,700
men. 
Enslave all the women would be 

1605
01:27:04,700 --> 01:27:07,600
easily able to take over America
if they had nukes and all this 

1606
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:11,000
kind of stuff and they had huge 
tanks and a voluntary Society. 

1607
01:27:11,300 --> 01:27:13,600
They might have some Modern 
equipment right now. 

1608
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:16,600
Let's fast-forward two hundred 
years Russia and China have been

1609
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:18,700
doing big government research 
projects. 

1610
01:27:18,700 --> 01:27:20,400
They've got the latest weapons 
and everything. 

1611
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:23,600
America's still 200 years old 
because it's good like funding 

1612
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:28,600
anything big to keep up when you
can't induce tax taxation or 

1613
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:31,700
anything. 
I mean, The idea that taxation 

1614
01:27:31,700 --> 01:27:36,000
is is theft is insane to me. 
I think that taxation is 

1615
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:39,800
necessary for civilization to 
and not just exist. 

1616
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:44,500
But to be good in any way. 
Life Would Suck Without The, the

1617
01:27:44,500 --> 01:27:48,600
pool of the public purse to put 
towards Big projects that are 

1618
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:53,100
bigger than ourselves. 
And so I had an another sort of 

1619
01:27:53,100 --> 01:27:55,900
question though, which is that 
getting back to what we were 

1620
01:27:55,900 --> 01:27:58,400
talking about before about, you 
know, crime and everything. 

1621
01:27:58,500 --> 01:28:02,000
I got two questions, the first 
is she Would the should police 

1622
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:05,700
have the right to arrest 
criminals and when I say police 

1623
01:28:05,700 --> 01:28:08,400
I'm not just talking about some 
Private Security Agency. 

1624
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:11,500
I mean, you know, the, the 
actual police should they have 

1625
01:28:11,500 --> 01:28:13,000
the right to arrest criminals 
right now? 

1626
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:15,900
In second, you mentioned 
victimless crimes. 

1627
01:28:16,200 --> 01:28:20,100
I've often heard of things like 
drug crimes as victimless. 

1628
01:28:20,100 --> 01:28:24,300
I've heard of tax fraud or 
accounting crimes as victimless,

1629
01:28:24,300 --> 01:28:25,900
but we know that those hurt 
people. 

1630
01:28:26,100 --> 01:28:30,200
So my question is first off. 
Should police today. 

1631
01:28:30,300 --> 01:28:33,300
Day have the right to arrest 
people and S. 

1632
01:28:33,500 --> 01:28:34,800
Should it. 
What is it? 

1633
01:28:34,900 --> 01:28:36,800
What is a victimless crime in 
your field? 

1634
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:41,900
So a right, if someone has a 
right to do something. 

1635
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:46,500
What I am talking about is they 
are morally justified in so far.

1636
01:28:46,500 --> 01:28:50,900
As they do not initiate fraud or
violence, violate the consent of

1637
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:54,600
a person or their justly, 
acquired property that has done 

1638
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:58,100
so through voluntary exchange or
original appropriation. 

1639
01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:01,800
If you violate the rights of a 
person You are an aggressor. 

1640
01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:04,400
Therefore you are a criminal 
there for people. 

1641
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:09,200
You are justly to be arrested 
whether it's by a person with a 

1642
01:29:09,208 --> 01:29:14,600
badge or a person with 
camouflage or me on my off time.

1643
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:18,500
So yes, police would have the 
right to do something just as 

1644
01:29:18,500 --> 01:29:21,700
Walmart would, or I would or you
would or any of the viewers 

1645
01:29:21,700 --> 01:29:24,800
watching would have the rights 
to do something. 

1646
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:29,500
As far as a victimless crime, if
you cannot say that you have 

1647
01:29:29,500 --> 01:29:32,600
violated. 
Added the rights or a voluntary 

1648
01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:36,700
agreement with a certain person 
or party of individuals. 

1649
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:40,500
You have not committed a crime 
in order for a crime to exist. 

1650
01:29:40,500 --> 01:29:44,500
There has to be a victim and the
victim has to have their rights 

1651
01:29:44,700 --> 01:29:47,300
violated. 
It's not enough to hurt someone,

1652
01:29:47,500 --> 01:29:50,300
my previous employer hurt me 
when they fired me. 

1653
01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:55,300
My girlfriend hurt me. 
When she broke up with me many 

1654
01:29:55,300 --> 01:29:57,100
years ago. 
I've gotten over it since then, 

1655
01:29:57,300 --> 01:29:59,000
so don't bug me in the comments 
about this. 

1656
01:30:00,700 --> 01:30:06,500
Many people you have offended me
in insulting, the Branch 

1657
01:30:06,500 --> 01:30:09,700
Davidians for whom David 
Thibodeau is a friend of mine. 

1658
01:30:09,700 --> 01:30:12,600
That doesn't give me the right 
to a, to arrest. 

1659
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:17,000
You the fact that you have hurt 
me or negatively, affected me 

1660
01:30:17,300 --> 01:30:22,100
does not give you the right to 
does not give me rather the 

1661
01:30:22,100 --> 01:30:23,800
right to arrest you because you 
have heard me. 

1662
01:30:24,100 --> 01:30:27,300
What would give me the right is 
if you initiated violence or 

1663
01:30:27,300 --> 01:30:31,200
fraud against me the principal, 
but when those two things 

1664
01:30:31,200 --> 01:30:34,000
violence and fraud is you have 
violated my consent. 

1665
01:30:34,100 --> 01:30:38,100
So let's say, you take this 
phone, you break into my house. 

1666
01:30:38,100 --> 01:30:43,200
Take this phone and you leave, 
well, you have taken a scarce 

1667
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:46,500
resource that I have justly 
Acquired, and you have taken it.

1668
01:30:46,500 --> 01:30:48,500
Therefore. 
I would just lie seek 

1669
01:30:48,500 --> 01:30:53,000
restitution against you. 
That is an example of when I 

1670
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:57,300
would have the right to take 
something back from you, plus 

1671
01:30:57,300 --> 01:31:00,200
restitution because you have 
taken a scarce resource. 

1672
01:31:00,700 --> 01:31:04,400
From me. 
Well, what if I said that, I 

1673
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:08,700
will give you this phone and 
give me $300 within the next 

1674
01:31:08,700 --> 01:31:13,600
month if five months go by and 
you haven't given me the $500. 

1675
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:16,600
Well, you are in breach of our 
agreement and you might as well 

1676
01:31:16,600 --> 01:31:20,800
have stolen it from me again, 
fraud and voluntary exchange are

1677
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:23,500
perfectly in line with the 
self-ownership principle and the

1678
01:31:23,500 --> 01:31:25,900
non-aggression principle. 
Therefore, they are criminal 

1679
01:31:25,900 --> 01:31:29,400
actions. 
Whereas hurting someone is not 

1680
01:31:29,400 --> 01:31:31,700
in violation there. 
For you would have not have the 

1681
01:31:31,700 --> 01:31:36,000
right to use violence against 
them personal story. 

1682
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:39,400
My father was a crack addict, 
certainly hurt our family. 

1683
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:43,100
Honestly, it was terrible. 
The only thing that would have 

1684
01:31:43,100 --> 01:31:48,500
been worse for our family to 
suffer was if the police would 

1685
01:31:48,500 --> 01:31:53,000
have jailed him and then brought
him into prison, where he would 

1686
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:55,400
have made friends with other 
drug dealers and become even 

1687
01:31:55,400 --> 01:31:58,400
more of a criminal where he 
would have had an arrest record,

1688
01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:01,400
which would have heard his job 
prospects, which Of stop him 

1689
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:05,800
from helping my mom with paying 
child support again, kidnapping 

1690
01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:08,800
people for victimless crimes or 
crimes that have not violated. 

1691
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:12,300
The rights of other people is 
unjustified both on a deal 

1692
01:32:12,300 --> 01:32:18,100
ontological rights, ground along
with a utilitarian Mass, utility

1693
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:22,100
recognition of whether, or not 
Society is Justified in caging 

1694
01:32:22,100 --> 01:32:24,400
people for, for victimless 
crimes. 

1695
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:29,800
So, so, just to clarify here, 
you don't, you would say that 

1696
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:33,900
it's a very Victimless crime to 
sell meth or crack, or whatever,

1697
01:32:33,900 --> 01:32:38,100
you will to somebody and then it
causes in them an addiction that

1698
01:32:38,100 --> 01:32:40,200
ruins their lives and ruins 
their family. 

1699
01:32:40,300 --> 01:32:44,600
You don't think that the family 
then even in a stateless society

1700
01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:47,100
should have the restitution to 
either Sue in private 

1701
01:32:47,100 --> 01:32:51,000
arbitration or outright get 
revenge and vigilante form 

1702
01:32:51,100 --> 01:32:54,300
against the drug dealer. 
You mentioned how you didn't 

1703
01:32:54,300 --> 01:32:58,400
support somebody who became a 
drug addict being arrested, but 

1704
01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:02,200
would you at least get behind? 
Going after the guy that sold 

1705
01:33:02,200 --> 01:33:05,800
your dad, those drugs. 
No. 

1706
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:11,200
No, where would we really hate 
proliferators or drugs or evil? 

1707
01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:14,900
I mean, like, hardcore drugs are
literal filth. 

1708
01:33:14,900 --> 01:33:20,100
So so not only would you not be 
justified in caging someone for 

1709
01:33:20,100 --> 01:33:24,200
engaging in a voluntary exchange
with with someone else in a free

1710
01:33:24,200 --> 01:33:26,000
Society where there is no drug 
war. 

1711
01:33:26,100 --> 01:33:29,400
You would not even have such 
potent drugs. 

1712
01:33:29,400 --> 01:33:32,100
So just as As during 
prohibition, you had things like

1713
01:33:32,100 --> 01:33:36,800
moonshine where you had to hide 
it from the kidnapping cops. 

1714
01:33:36,900 --> 01:33:40,000
So you had to have a small 
amount that was really potent 

1715
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:41,700
today. 
There's a drug war so you have 

1716
01:33:41,700 --> 01:33:43,700
to have a small amount that's 
really potent. 

1717
01:33:44,300 --> 01:33:46,900
Just as you don't have people. 
Drinking moonshine today, at 

1718
01:33:46,900 --> 01:33:50,300
bars have people drinking beer. 
You wouldn't have people using 

1719
01:33:50,300 --> 01:33:53,500
crystal meth and crack cocaine. 
You would have people using some

1720
01:33:53,500 --> 01:33:58,000
derivative of Adderall to give 
them their fix today. 

1721
01:33:58,200 --> 01:34:04,600
So, and also, Pursuing a policy 
against people like the Al 

1722
01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:07,700
Capone's of the world actually 
makes things more violent, just 

1723
01:34:07,700 --> 01:34:10,900
as there's no shootout between 
Miller Lite and Bud Light. 

1724
01:34:10,900 --> 01:34:13,700
Today there wouldn't be 
shootouts between Mexican drug 

1725
01:34:13,700 --> 01:34:16,000
cartels. 
If it weren't for the drug war 

1726
01:34:16,300 --> 01:34:19,300
in the United States. 
I'm sure it would still exist in

1727
01:34:19,300 --> 01:34:21,900
Mexico Mexico's more violent 
than the u.s. 

1728
01:34:22,100 --> 01:34:25,900
Mexico governments evil. 
I have no problem, it mitting 

1729
01:34:25,900 --> 01:34:29,700
that but the idea that well 
there's violence and then the 

1730
01:34:29,700 --> 01:34:33,300
government Jen and solve things.
The fact that the government 

1731
01:34:33,300 --> 01:34:35,400
intervenes in what would 
otherwise be a voluntary. 

1732
01:34:35,400 --> 01:34:38,100
Interaction, makes things more 
violent than they, otherwise 

1733
01:34:38,100 --> 01:34:41,200
would be because they initiate 
violence in to what would 

1734
01:34:41,200 --> 01:34:44,600
otherwise be a voluntary 
exchange between consenting 

1735
01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:49,100
adults? 
Wait, so I just, I just want to 

1736
01:34:49,100 --> 01:34:53,500
get this this clear here. 
So in this example, you're 

1737
01:34:53,500 --> 01:34:57,300
basically saying that. 
Well, it would be better and 

1738
01:34:57,300 --> 01:35:00,300
less toxic and everything. 
If we were in this like A 

1739
01:35:00,300 --> 01:35:02,800
utopian model and everything. 
The problem that I have though. 

1740
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:05,300
Is that okay? 
Let's just talk about from a 

1741
01:35:05,300 --> 01:35:06,800
standpoint of Liberty and 
everything. 

1742
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:10,700
How do you talked about a 
voluntary trade interaction, 

1743
01:35:10,700 --> 01:35:14,900
where you've got a drug addict 
and you've got the drug seller? 

1744
01:35:15,100 --> 01:35:19,800
I don't consider somebody who's 
under the influence of drugs. 

1745
01:35:20,100 --> 01:35:23,100
I don't consider their decisions
to be voluntary. 

1746
01:35:23,100 --> 01:35:26,000
How is an addict who needs more 
to get his fix. 

1747
01:35:26,300 --> 01:35:29,900
How is that a how are you able 
to exercise Liberty? 

1748
01:35:30,300 --> 01:35:33,300
You're addicted to an evil 
substance. 

1749
01:35:33,300 --> 01:35:37,300
I don't understand that because 
you still have an adult brain 

1750
01:35:37,300 --> 01:35:41,600
with a Neil frontal cortex that 
has the ability to weigh costs. 

1751
01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:45,400
Benefits short term effects and 
long-term effects. 

1752
01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:48,200
Maybe they should read Henry 
hazlitt second, ah, mix in one 

1753
01:35:48,200 --> 01:35:50,400
lesson. 
So they recognize not only the 

1754
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:53,400
short term, but the long-term 
effects, not only on one group, 

1755
01:35:53,400 --> 01:35:57,600
but on all groups considered the
fact that there are negative 

1756
01:35:57,600 --> 01:36:00,100
externalities with drug addicts 
is not justified. 

1757
01:36:00,200 --> 01:36:03,900
Why the existence of one group 
of people initiating violence 

1758
01:36:03,900 --> 01:36:08,700
against all drug addicts, and 
all drug dealers for all of 

1759
01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:11,400
eternity? 
This is a voluntary exchange 

1760
01:36:11,400 --> 01:36:14,400
between consenting adults. 
I don't think you should give up

1761
01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:16,800
your kidney. 
If you want to sell your kidney,

1762
01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:19,600
your body, your choice, your 
life, your choice, your 

1763
01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:22,700
business, your choice. 
This is the fundamental 

1764
01:36:22,900 --> 01:36:25,800
difference between the 
conservative principle that I 

1765
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:29,500
actually Advocate the principle 
of civilization, and the left is

1766
01:36:29,500 --> 01:36:33,200
principle of Activism with a 
collective Heaven, given you the

1767
01:36:33,200 --> 01:36:37,100
right to engage in such an 
activity that is totally 

1768
01:36:37,100 --> 01:36:38,800
unjustified. 
If we want to embrace the 

1769
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:42,200
principles of americanism, the 
right to life liberty and 

1770
01:36:42,200 --> 01:36:44,800
pursuit of happiness, the right 
to abolish government the right 

1771
01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:47,700
to freedom of speech and the 
Second Amendment we have to 

1772
01:36:47,700 --> 01:36:50,800
recognize people's self 
ownership and their ability to 

1773
01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:53,600
live their life. 
However, they please so long as 

1774
01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:56,800
they do not initiate violence or
fraud against peaceful 

1775
01:36:56,800 --> 01:36:58,600
individuals. 
Okay? 

1776
01:36:58,600 --> 01:37:03,000
Okay, so Like my dad was 
addicted to drugs, for example, 

1777
01:37:03,200 --> 01:37:06,200
ruined my family, all I kind of 
stuff. 

1778
01:37:06,200 --> 01:37:10,500
I consider those that sold him 
drugs, that kind of thing, as 

1779
01:37:10,500 --> 01:37:13,400
perpetrators of violence, both 
against him and my family, for 

1780
01:37:13,400 --> 01:37:17,500
example, you see there's a 
non-violent voluntarist sort of 

1781
01:37:17,700 --> 01:37:21,000
voluntary interaction. 
I completely disagree with that 

1782
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:23,900
characterization. 
I think that one reason why the 

1783
01:37:23,900 --> 01:37:27,700
government exists is to have 
moral standards for society, to 

1784
01:37:27,700 --> 01:37:30,100
keep us from falling into the 
state of nature. 

1785
01:37:30,300 --> 01:37:33,500
If you will and that, you know, 
we can disagree over to the 

1786
01:37:33,500 --> 01:37:37,900
extent of what should be legal, 
what should in etcetera and 

1787
01:37:37,900 --> 01:37:43,300
what's, you know, like a gray 
area and everything, but but 

1788
01:37:43,300 --> 01:37:48,900
that there is, there is a clear 
case here for this to be seen as

1789
01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:51,800
a violent sort of act. 
So this leads me to my next 

1790
01:37:51,800 --> 01:37:56,300
question and that is and I 
guess, you know, I'll say to the

1791
01:37:56,300 --> 01:37:59,500
moderator Henry or you get if we
do like a two minute 

1792
01:37:59,500 --> 01:38:01,200
intermission. 
In or what? 

1793
01:38:01,200 --> 01:38:04,300
Yeah, I was gonna say something.
I was going to say something 

1794
01:38:04,300 --> 01:38:06,300
around the to our Market. 
Eventually. 

1795
01:38:06,300 --> 01:38:10,500
I figured either you guys want 
to wrap it up or take a break. 

1796
01:38:10,500 --> 01:38:14,900
I would assumed use the restroom
or something to you guys. 

1797
01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:17,400
You know, what? 
Good could we wrap it up, 

1798
01:38:17,400 --> 01:38:21,200
please? 
I just have to get ahold of my 

1799
01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:22,800
mom. 
I also have a number of 

1800
01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:26,200
obligations before the night, 
the night ends. 

1801
01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:29,100
Okay. 
We got, we go ten, more minutes.

1802
01:38:30,300 --> 01:38:32,000
Thank you, sir. 
Yeah, I'm sure. 

1803
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:35,500
So I got one last question then 
that all all clothes on and then

1804
01:38:35,500 --> 01:38:38,200
you can get question and then we
can do our closing statements, I

1805
01:38:38,200 --> 01:38:40,300
guess. 
So, my last question then is 

1806
01:38:40,300 --> 01:38:45,600
going to be in this Society. 
How would, for example, how 

1807
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:47,900
would you enforce the age of 
consent? 

1808
01:38:47,900 --> 01:38:50,800
How would you prevent people 
like it? 

1809
01:38:50,800 --> 01:38:52,400
Seriously. 
Think about it because you might

1810
01:38:52,400 --> 01:38:55,700
have some people out there that 
don't share your moral compass, 

1811
01:38:55,900 --> 01:39:00,600
that regard being safe 52, and 
having sex with a 13 or Called 

1812
01:39:00,600 --> 01:39:03,700
as totally fine, even if you 
could argue that it violates the

1813
01:39:03,700 --> 01:39:07,600
naep, but they say it doesn't, 
and they claim to be a good 

1814
01:39:07,800 --> 01:39:11,400
anarcho-capitalists or whatever.
How would you go about stopping 

1815
01:39:11,400 --> 01:39:13,000
these people? 
And where's the line? 

1816
01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:16,000
And how would you enforce an age
of consent in this system? 

1817
01:39:16,200 --> 01:39:19,900
Keith the way to enforce an age 
of consent can be done. 

1818
01:39:19,900 --> 01:39:23,900
Two ways, one by a cohorts of 
fully funded Monopoly known as 

1819
01:39:23,900 --> 01:39:28,600
the state or to buy voluntarily 
funded, cooperating, competing 

1820
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:34,000
institutions, it is Superior to 
have a group of competing, 

1821
01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:38,000
voluntarily funded institutions 
to enforce, a genuine age of 

1822
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:42,300
consent, rather than a 
coercively funded in voluntary 

1823
01:39:42,400 --> 01:39:44,500
group of people called the 
state. 

1824
01:39:44,600 --> 01:39:47,600
No, I am not saying that. 
I know, for a fact, the age of 

1825
01:39:47,600 --> 01:39:51,300
consent will be justified in the
absence of a state but the 

1826
01:39:51,300 --> 01:39:55,400
existence of a state does not 
stop people from engaging. 

1827
01:39:55,400 --> 01:39:58,700
In violations of consent. 
The obvious example would be 

1828
01:39:58,700 --> 01:40:04,200
Ellie Cohen the Mossad agent in 
Syria, who would have literal 

1829
01:40:04,700 --> 01:40:08,500
miners sleep with Syrian 
officials so he could get 

1830
01:40:08,500 --> 01:40:10,400
information on the Syrian 
officials. 

1831
01:40:10,700 --> 01:40:15,900
So he could help Israel in the 
Six-Day War, of course, 

1832
01:40:15,900 --> 01:40:19,700
background about Israel. 
Israel is the freest nation in 

1833
01:40:19,800 --> 01:40:21,700
the Middle East and of course, I
support them. 

1834
01:40:21,700 --> 01:40:26,800
That was simply a, an example of
how the existence of a 

1835
01:40:26,808 --> 01:40:29,600
government. 
Does not stop the age of consent

1836
01:40:29,600 --> 01:40:30,800
from being. 
Elated. 

1837
01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:34,200
We're not talking about a Utopia
as my opponent. 

1838
01:40:34,200 --> 01:40:35,700
Mr. Castle, we mentioned 
earlier. 

1839
01:40:35,900 --> 01:40:39,500
All I'm talking about is I want 
X achieved. 

1840
01:40:39,500 --> 01:40:42,500
We want something achieved, we 
can either do it, voluntarily, 

1841
01:40:42,500 --> 01:40:44,500
or violently. 
We could either do it through 

1842
01:40:44,500 --> 01:40:48,500
voluntarily funded competition, 
or coercively, funded Monopoly. 

1843
01:40:48,600 --> 01:40:51,800
My position is superior because 
it allows people to opt out of 

1844
01:40:51,800 --> 01:40:55,500
associating with evil, and it 
allows the masses to allocate 

1845
01:40:55,500 --> 01:40:59,900
resources in such a way that 
they are desirable to. 

1846
01:41:00,100 --> 01:41:04,000
Make sure the vulnerable are 
protected that freedom is 

1847
01:41:04,000 --> 01:41:07,300
achieved and the principle of 
self ownership can be practiced 

1848
01:41:07,300 --> 01:41:11,000
in the real world. 
Okay. 

1849
01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:13,700
Well, I guess we'll what we'll 
wrap up the debate that I guess 

1850
01:41:13,800 --> 01:41:16,200
we should probably go door, 
closing remarks. 

1851
01:41:16,200 --> 01:41:19,500
Yeah, if you want to do, I don't
know who wants to go first, but 

1852
01:41:19,500 --> 01:41:22,400
I think you guys are okay with 
like brief closing statements 

1853
01:41:22,400 --> 01:41:25,400
like three minutes or so. 
Is that maybe five minutes? 

1854
01:41:25,400 --> 01:41:29,200
Is that better? 
I'm good with three like 3D 

1855
01:41:29,200 --> 01:41:31,300
printing that we Very good for 
shorter ones. 

1856
01:41:31,300 --> 01:41:33,500
Yeah, three minutes. 
All right. 

1857
01:41:33,500 --> 01:41:38,500
So who went I guess Kevin. 
Do you want to go first since 

1858
01:41:38,500 --> 01:41:40,200
Kieffer? 
First of the beginning running? 

1859
01:41:40,200 --> 01:41:42,500
Yeah. 
We lost last word sir. 

1860
01:41:42,900 --> 01:41:44,000
Yeah. 
No, that's fine. 

1861
01:41:44,100 --> 01:41:46,500
Yeah. 
So yeah, so I think it's been 

1862
01:41:46,500 --> 01:41:48,000
clear tonight. 
My friends. 

1863
01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:49,600
So thank you for tuning in and 
everything. 

1864
01:41:49,600 --> 01:41:52,500
Thanks to Henry for moderating 
things to keep for coming on. 

1865
01:41:52,700 --> 01:41:56,900
It's always good to see people 
who you know, they disagree, but

1866
01:41:56,900 --> 01:41:59,000
they at least have the courage 
to come here and debate, you 

1867
01:41:59,000 --> 01:42:01,400
know, because some people out 
there that are opponents of 

1868
01:42:01,400 --> 01:42:03,600
mine. 
They just don't have the courage

1869
01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:07,200
to do it and, you know, it's 
always better when we can have 

1870
01:42:07,200 --> 01:42:11,100
an exchange of ideas. 
And so, what I what I think in 

1871
01:42:11,100 --> 01:42:13,300
terms of my thoughts about 
everything the night is, I think

1872
01:42:13,300 --> 01:42:17,500
I made a fairly third case, why 
we not only need a state at a 

1873
01:42:17,508 --> 01:42:21,600
domestic level, why it is, you 
know, it is the case that things

1874
01:42:21,600 --> 01:42:25,000
tend towards Monopoly and 
therefore, we're best to have a 

1875
01:42:25,000 --> 01:42:30,300
monopoly in which we have a 
universal Covenant towards You 

1876
01:42:30,300 --> 01:42:33,900
have a legitimate Sovereign and 
I prefer representative 

1877
01:42:33,900 --> 01:42:36,600
democracy there. 
You know that that's the best 

1878
01:42:36,600 --> 01:42:40,200
system. 
I think that it's very clear 

1879
01:42:40,300 --> 01:42:43,200
that the state that exists to 
the United States. 

1880
01:42:43,200 --> 01:42:46,800
For example, as well as all 
Western Nations is exceptional 

1881
01:42:46,800 --> 01:42:50,600
compared to the countenance of 
slavery that existed throughout 

1882
01:42:50,600 --> 01:42:52,300
history and exist. 
Today. 

1883
01:42:52,700 --> 01:42:56,300
I think I've made a very clear 
case for government 

1884
01:42:56,300 --> 01:43:01,700
intervention, in obviously in 
the market is In society Etc to 

1885
01:43:01,700 --> 01:43:06,000
protect us, you know, not only 
from violence from the outside, 

1886
01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:08,900
but also in many times from 
ourselves, from from doing 

1887
01:43:08,900 --> 01:43:12,800
things that might at the short 
run seen, good but impose harm, 

1888
01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:15,700
not only on ourselves, but on 
others and that we need a 

1889
01:43:15,700 --> 01:43:18,000
mechanism there to correct for 
that behavior. 

1890
01:43:18,200 --> 01:43:20,900
We didn't get to as much a 
foreign policy as I thought we'd

1891
01:43:20,900 --> 01:43:24,100
get into, but I think I've also 
made a fairly clear-cut case as 

1892
01:43:24,100 --> 01:43:28,200
well for interventionism for 
pre-emptive action, for 

1893
01:43:28,200 --> 01:43:31,800
pre-emptive Warfare to 
Casualties in long run because 

1894
01:43:31,800 --> 01:43:34,600
we recognize that war between 
Powers is inevitable. 

1895
01:43:34,800 --> 01:43:38,500
And therefore we are better to 
do it earlier on our terms. 

1896
01:43:38,500 --> 01:43:41,500
When our enemy is weaker than 
wait for them to engage in 

1897
01:43:41,500 --> 01:43:44,900
violence against us later on on 
their terms, when they're 

1898
01:43:44,900 --> 01:43:47,300
stronger. 
It's a difference between maybe 

1899
01:43:47,300 --> 01:43:51,000
3 million people dying today, 
and 50 million people dying six 

1900
01:43:51,000 --> 01:43:53,400
years from now. 
For example, depending on how 

1901
01:43:53,400 --> 01:43:57,600
fast they are able to amass 
their Arsenal's and so high on 

1902
01:43:57,600 --> 01:43:59,400
the domestic level that we were 
talking about. 

1903
01:43:59,400 --> 01:44:02,100
I think I made it. 
Fairly clear-cut case for the 

1904
01:44:02,100 --> 01:44:07,500
state as the command 
compassionate and and ultimately

1905
01:44:08,100 --> 01:44:13,300
necessary force that has the 
legitimate Monopoly on the use 

1906
01:44:13,300 --> 01:44:17,400
of violence because then it's 
the externalities that exist 

1907
01:44:17,500 --> 01:44:22,400
necessitate in any intervention 
both abroad and at home, so 

1908
01:44:22,400 --> 01:44:25,600
thank you for watching and with 
that I yield my time. 

1909
01:44:27,500 --> 01:44:30,000
All right, so if you want to go 
ahead and close this out. 

1910
01:44:31,700 --> 01:44:35,300
Mr. Castelli, thank you so much 
for having me on your program. 

1911
01:44:35,300 --> 01:44:39,300
I greatly appreciate it. 
I as well, appreciate you and 

1912
01:44:39,300 --> 01:44:42,000
the fight against leftism, 
socialism, communism. 

1913
01:44:42,300 --> 01:44:47,000
And tyranny, I will say that I 
believe my position is still 

1914
01:44:47,000 --> 01:44:51,000
Superior one because there are 
two ways of achieving your ends 

1915
01:44:51,000 --> 01:44:53,300
in society. 
Whether it's what you want to 

1916
01:44:53,300 --> 01:44:56,700
have for lunch, or what you want
to be 100 years from now, you 

1917
01:44:56,700 --> 01:45:00,000
can either achieve your ends 
violently or voluntarily through

1918
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:02,900
the political. 
Ins or the economic means where 

1919
01:45:02,900 --> 01:45:06,100
you engage in voluntary 
interaction or you engage in 

1920
01:45:06,100 --> 01:45:10,200
interaction at the expense 
without the consent of other 

1921
01:45:10,300 --> 01:45:12,200
individuals. 
The way of the free market the 

1922
01:45:12,200 --> 01:45:14,800
way of libertarianism cellphone 
or stripping, the non-aggression

1923
01:45:14,800 --> 01:45:18,100
principle is consistent. 
It is morally Justified. 

1924
01:45:18,200 --> 01:45:21,800
The state is inconsistent and is
immoral a Justified and in 

1925
01:45:21,800 --> 01:45:26,000
opposition to civilization 
because it claims the right to 

1926
01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:29,300
initiate violence against 
peaceful people, this claim that

1927
01:45:29,300 --> 01:45:30,800
some people have the right to 
rule over. 

1928
01:45:30,900 --> 01:45:35,300
Over others is literally the 
claim of the slave owner, the 

1929
01:45:35,300 --> 01:45:39,500
right that we own you. 
People called the citizenry, the

1930
01:45:39,500 --> 01:45:42,500
group of people called the 
Congress group on the lives and 

1931
01:45:42,500 --> 01:45:46,000
they own the bodies of the 
people called the citizenry 

1932
01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:51,400
again on the economic point. 
A coercively funded Monopoly is 

1933
01:45:51,400 --> 01:45:56,400
inferior, both productively and 
morally than a competing 

1934
01:45:56,800 --> 01:46:00,200
voluntarily funded group of 
competing organizations. 

1935
01:46:00,400 --> 01:46:06,700
So a Again, every criticism that
can apply of voluntarily funded 

1936
01:46:06,700 --> 01:46:11,700
competition applies tenfold to 
the coercively funded Monopoly 

1937
01:46:11,700 --> 01:46:13,400
of the state. 
That mr. 

1938
01:46:13,400 --> 01:46:15,000
Castelli. 
Advocates. 

1939
01:46:15,000 --> 01:46:19,600
If we want to embrace the ideas 
of Thomas, Jefferson all men, 

1940
01:46:19,600 --> 01:46:22,900
created equal endowed by our 
creator with certain unalienable

1941
01:46:22,900 --> 01:46:25,700
rights, the right to pursue your
life liberty and the pursuit of 

1942
01:46:25,700 --> 01:46:28,800
happiness without a group of 
people claiming the right to own

1943
01:46:28,900 --> 01:46:31,500
your body. 
Then we must embrace the 

1944
01:46:31,500 --> 01:46:34,600
principles of self-ownership, 
voluntary trade, and the 

1945
01:46:34,600 --> 01:46:37,400
non-aggression principle. 
Mr. Castelli. 

1946
01:46:37,400 --> 01:46:38,800
Thank you for your time. 
And thank you too. 

1947
01:46:38,800 --> 01:46:44,500
Henry for moderating the debate 
as well as the listeners for 

1948
01:46:44,800 --> 01:46:47,400
taking the time to listen to us.
For the same reason. 

1949
01:46:47,400 --> 01:46:49,000
We should have separation of 
church and state. 

1950
01:46:49,000 --> 01:46:52,100
We should have separation of 
economy and state and separation

1951
01:46:52,100 --> 01:46:56,400
of dispute whether foreign or 
domestic and State. 

1952
01:46:58,400 --> 01:47:01,500
All right, great. 
Obviously, you guys know, this 

1953
01:47:01,500 --> 01:47:03,200
is Kevin's Channel where to find
him. 

1954
01:47:03,400 --> 01:47:06,400
I think you can find key that I 
believe is YouTube channels. 

1955
01:47:06,400 --> 01:47:10,700
Don't tread on anyone if you 
want to find him, so, I guess 

1956
01:47:10,700 --> 01:47:12,600
that wraps it up. 
Have a great night, guys. 

1957
01:47:13,300 --> 01:47:15,600
Yeah. 
I'll be doing a post-show to and

1958
01:47:15,800 --> 01:47:18,600
Keith gets the right to mirror 
this over on his channel. 

1959
01:47:18,800 --> 01:47:21,900
If you want to debate me to out 
there, just send me a DM on 

1960
01:47:21,900 --> 01:47:23,800
Twitter and we'll work out the 
time as well. 

1961
01:47:23,800 --> 01:47:26,100
So you can debate me like Keith 
did tonight. 

1962
01:47:26,100 --> 01:47:27,000
So thanks for watching.