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We Father, we thank you, we 
think you was wonderful time 

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we've had to bring our praise 
and our worship to you. 

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Lord, we thank you. 
That is part of our worship. 

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We thank you for the offerings 
that have been given. 

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Lord, you are the one who 
provides all that we have and 

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our offerings are just a small 
part of our worship. 

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Back to you, Lord, we thank you 
for those that distribute that 

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may it be used wisely, may be 
used for your glory and for your

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Kingdom. 
Father, we thank you for our 

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Sunday school children. 
We thank you for the blessing 

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they are to us, the church and 
to our families. 

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Lord, we just pray your hand 
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Sunday school and also our team 
class Lord that you will work in

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their hearts. 
Continue to draw them closer to 

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you. 
Let me thank you for the love 

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you have for them and Lord, may 
they know you each each of them 

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know you as their own personal 
Lord and Saviour at some point. 

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Father, we thank you for our 
Sunday School teachers. 

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We thank you for the diligence 
and bringing your word to our 

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children. 
Look, give them the words to say

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in the words to Shia today. 
We pray and we thank you for 

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Jeff. 
We thank you for the message 

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you've laid on us heart. 
We thank you for the opportunity

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we have to be able to sit under 
the word of God in law. 

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We just pray that our hearts 
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won't just be words that we 
hear, but words that change us 

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and we'll we'll draw us closer 
to you. 

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O Lord, we just pray for Jeff 
and bring him to your hand too. 

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So we thank you for this time 
and we committed into you now 

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and your hand in Jesus name, 
Amen. 

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I've got to say, you look a lot 
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from the back. 
Pity. 

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It's not reciprocal, isn't it? 
It's a delight to be with you 

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always and I'm glad to be here 
in my condition. 

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I'm glad to be anywhere, but I'm
particularly delighted to be 

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with you this morning if you 
have your Bibles with you. 

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Where? 
In the Gospel of Luke, page 

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1410. 
Don't you wish you'd bought a 

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better Bible? 
Matthew, Mark, Luke chapter 5 

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and we're bringing our thinking 
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the Gospel of Luke. 
One day as Jesus was standing by

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the lake of Guinness, Alright 
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him and listening to the Word of
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edge. 2 boats. 
There's a reason, of course, why

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there was a crowd pressing 
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to back up into chapter 4 to 
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In verse 31, He went down to 
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and on the Sabbath began to 
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They were amazed at his teaching
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authority. 
It wasn't the rabbis discussing 

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who said what and how Jesus was 
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authority and declaring what it 
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And the crowd was so impressed 
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Have a look at chapter 4, verse 
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In the synagogue there was a man
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spirit, and Jesus cast the evil 
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If you have a look at verse 36, 
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said to each other, what is this
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With authority and power? 
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and they come out and then you 
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Jesus left the synagogue and 
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Now Simon's mother-in-law was 
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they asked Jesus to help her. 
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the fever and it left her. 
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wait on them. 
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onwards, further casting out of 
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No wonder there's a crowd 
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nation hadn't seen this kind of 
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It was unique, to say the least.
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He saw at the water's edge 1st 
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fishermen who were washing their
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He got into one of the boats, 
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asked him to put out a little 
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Then he sent down and taught the
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When he had finished speaking he
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water and let down the Nets for 
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Well, here's Simon Peters, 
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Master, we have worked hard all 
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anything, but because you say 
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Now Jesus is talking to him in 
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Launch out into the deep and get
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And Peter comes back and says, 
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night. 
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were fishing all night because 
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grab the insects so that they 
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predators in the lake. 
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something quite strange. 
He says don't go fishing at 

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night in the middle of the day. 
I'm telling you, go out into the

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deep well in the middle of the 
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The fish are right at the 
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It's only at night they come to 
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And Peter can't figure this and 
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look here, you're a Carpenter, 
you stay with the tools. 

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I'll look after the fish, but 
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about Jesus. 
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with Christ. 
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encounter Peter has had with the
Lord Jesus. 

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And he says, nevertheless, at 
your word I will let down the 

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Nets. 
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When they had done so, they 
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fish that their Nets began to 
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So they signalled their partner 
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help them, and they came and 
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they began to sink. 
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in the half measure. 
And so he tells them, launch out

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into the deep and suddenly 
they've got so many fish that 

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number one, according to verse 
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they need to call their partners
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And #3 when they do come and 
help and load the fish into the 

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boat, both boats begin to sink. 
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Christians telling you this kind
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matter and when they do remember
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All men are liars, especially 
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When Jesus fed the 5000 men, 
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the five loaves and two fish, 
there were 12 basketfuls left 

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over. 
Those baskets were the size of a

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basket a man could fit in, and 
when they left Paul over the 

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wall to escape, he got into a 
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12 of them left over and then 
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7 basketfuls left over. 
Now, what's the significance of 

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this miracle? 
Have you noticed the miracles of

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Jesus are quite narrow and 
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Jesus isn't running around and 
grabbing a a blow fly, wiggling 

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his nose and turning it into an 
A380. 

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Now could he have done that? 
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that. 
He's God in human flesh. 

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But he didn't. 
He didn't grab a donkey up one 

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of the little lanes in Nazareth 
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Lamborghini. 
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Of course he could have done 
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But the miracles of Jesus are 
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They are miracles with a 
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This is the second episode in 
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turns a them to to a large 
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Second one is in John chapter 
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a miracle is because back in the
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when Messiah comes, there's 
gonna be so many fish in the 

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waters of Israel that the 
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the the lake and along the river
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Sea and it will be alive with 
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That's why Peter suddenly says 
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Not in the text, but he meant to
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sees this huge number of fish. 
It would have been a miracle 

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just to get a dozen, but you've 
got the Nets breaking and two 

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boats virtually sinking with 
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And any Jew who saw a miracle 
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into the prophecy of Ezekiel and
say this must be the Messiah, 

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that this must be the one who 
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This must be the one who can 
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And that's why all the miracles 
of Jesus have to do with the 

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features of the coming Kingdom. 
When Christ returns to earth, no

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one will be hungry. 
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Can he remove hunger? 
You, Betty, can look what he can

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do with five loaves and two 
fish. 

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But can he change the climate? 
You bet he can. 

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He stands up in a boat and says 
to the wind and the hurricane, 

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Sit down and be quiet and be 
still, and immediately the wind 

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stops. 
But, but can he extend life? 

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You bet he can. 
He can heal. 

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He can even bring the dead back 
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But can he get rid of evil? 
That's what's plaguing our 

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planet. 
Can he deal with the devil? 

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You bet your bottom dollar he 
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One exorcism after another. 
Who is this prophet from 

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Nazareth? 
He is the Messiah. 

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And now Peter sees this. 
His mind has gone back to 

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Ezekiel chapter 47 and the 
idyllic situation that the Lord 

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is going to create when he 
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And he falls down on his knees 
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shore. 
If it's in the boat, who would 

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have been a wobbly fool because 
all of the mullet would have 

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been underneath his knees and 
maybe he waited till on the 

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shore and he falls at the feet 
of Jesus and says depart from 

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me. 
I am a sinful man. 

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I know who you are. 
You are the Messiah. 

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You are the Son of God and I'm a
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Depart from me. 
This is too much for me to 

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handle. 
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isn't it? 
And one moment he sang, depart 

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from me, and the next minute he 
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business and follows Christ. 
We're back into chapter 5, verse

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8. 
When Simon saw this, he fell at 

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Jesus knees and said, Go away 
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man. 
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were astonished at the catch of 
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And so with James and John, the 
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partners, we're not to think 
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were just on a vacation. 
These were merchant fishermen 

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who were in a a good business 
and they were partners and their

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business was very successful. 
Then Jesus said to Simon, don't 

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be afraid, from now on you will 
catch men. 

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And this is anticipating the 
vital move that Peter will have 

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in the church and Acts chapter 
23000 individuals on one day 

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will come to faith in Christ 
through Peter. 

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You're not going to be catching 
these fish anymore. 

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You're going to be a Fisher of 
men. 

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It anticipates not only Acts 
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when Peter leads Cornelius to 
faith in Christ and opens the 

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door of the gospel to the whole 
Gentile world. 

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Peter has a strategic role to 
play. 

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And then it says in verse 11, So
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shore, left everything and 
followed him. 

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And this is where my message 
begins. 

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They left everything and 
followed him. 

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Tuck that thought away for a 
moment. 

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I want to think with you through
the implications of this 

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passage. 
This morning Peter and his 

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contemporaries left everything 
and followed Christ. 

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Back in the day, you know, if 
someone became a Christian, they

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would talk about being saved. 
My grandfather was a drunk. 

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He used to drink up large at the
Criterion Hotel in Otahu. 

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None is way home one night after
the 6:00 swill. 

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Those of you old enough will 
remember the pubs all closed at 

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six about 5:45. 
You gotta Rev up from the barman

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saying you better drink up, 
we're about to close. 

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Then after six, my grandpa would
be staggering back home to his 

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wife and children, and the 
Baptist Church were having an 

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opener on the corner, and the 
old man leaned against the 

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lampost a bit the worse for 
wear. 

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And he heard the gospel and he 
got saved, and he went home to 

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tell his wife that he got saved.
And she thought that was a 

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really strong brew, but it was 
true. 

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And in the morning he was still 
saved. 

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And he had this insatiable 
hunger for the Bible. 

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He got saved. 
Well, it wasn't too long before 

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he led my grandma to Christ and 
her four daughters to Christ, 

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one of whom was my mum. 
And we grew up under the sound 

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of the good news of Jesus 
Christ. 

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He got saved. 
It's a good word, that word you 

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know. 
It's a good word, for by grace 

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you have been saved. 
Not of words, lest any man 

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should boast, Titus says. 
Not according to our own works. 

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He saved us. 
It's a good New Testament word. 

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If your house is burning and and
and you're in danger of dying 

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and a fireman bursts in through 
the door and grabs you and takes

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you outside, well you just got 
saved. 

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If you're drowning in the White 
Shadow River and someone sees 

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you and and throws in a a a rope
and you grab it, they pull you 

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to shore and you've been saved, 
it's a good word. 

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You're going to the wall. 
Financially things are 

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absolutely hopeless and the good
friend steps in with the fat 

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chequebook and he saves you at 
the last moment. 

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Isn't it a good word? 
And the Bible tells us we need 

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to be saved. 
Saved from the holy wrath of God

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upon sin. 
We need to be saved not just 

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from the consequences of sin, 
but from God Himself, who is so 

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holy He cannot tolerate sin. 
And the Bible is very clear 

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about the dreadful day of 
judgement that is to come. 

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Yeah, we used to be talking 
about getting saved. 

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I remember going to the Century 
Plaza to watch Sound of Music 

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down in Queen Street when I was 
a youngster and the lady came 

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along and there was an empty 
seat next to me. 

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She said, is this seat saved? 
I said no, but I am and, and, 

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and she took off the other side 
of the theatre. 

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We used to talk about being safe
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embarrassing, you know, a bit 
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So in the early 60's the lingo 
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Have you been converted? 
Ohh, you're going to be 

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converted. 
Billy Graham helped us with that

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one. 
So we left being saved back in 

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the dark days of fundamentalism 
and we got with neo 

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evangelicalism and we started 
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Then when we got to the 70s, 
things moved again and we talked

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about have you made a commitment
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And that's the way the gospel 
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You need to commit your life to 
Jesus Christ. 

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When we got into the 90s, thanks
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becoming a follower of Christ. 
Now I wonder if you can see the 

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change in the language. 
We've gone from being saved to 

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being converted to making a 
commitment to becoming a 

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follower. 
I don't know if you've got the 

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drift, but we've moved from God 
doing something to rescue us to 

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us now making a commitment to 
God. 

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Can you see the shift? 
And we've got over being saved. 

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And so when people read Luke 
chapter 5 verses 1 to 11, they 

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get to verse 11 and Peter left 
the Nets and the boats and the 

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family. 
He left everything and he 

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followed Christ and we think at 
that point Peter got saved. 

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But Peter came to a saving 
knowledge of Christ a lot 

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earlier. 
He he in John chapter 1, his 

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brother Andrew brought him to 
Christ. 

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Now if you read John chapter 1, 
you find out what was involved 

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in Andrew's pilgrimage to faith.
He believed in the word that 

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John the Baptist had spoken. 
He believed what John the 

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Baptist said about Messiah being
the Lamb of God. 

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He believed that Jesus was the 
Messiah. 

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And John tells us these things 
are written that you might 

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believe that Jesus is the 
Messiah and believing you might 

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have life in his name. 
So I have a hunch that when 

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Andrew got saved through faith 
in Messiah, he led his own 

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brother to the Lord in the same 
way that he came to faith in 

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Messiah. 
So I think Peter was a saved man

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way long before this, but he's 
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the Lord Jesus. 
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continent, continent, right back
to his Ezekiel chapter 47 and 

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the vision of marine life in the
coming Kingdom. 

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And then he sees this amazing 
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He says, wow, see, now, now I'm 
I'm totally convinced. 

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Back in the day, everyone was a 
disciple of someone you know. 

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Moses had disciples back in the 
day. 

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Back in the day, the Pharisees 
had disciples. 

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Now John's disciples and the 
Pharisees were fasting. 

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Some people came and asked 
Jesus. 

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How is it that John's disciples 
and the disciples of the 

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Pharisees are fasting, but yours
are not? 

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Three lots of disciples, John's 
disciples, the Pharisees 

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disciples, and Jesus disciples. 
What does it mean to be a 

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disciple? 
It means to be a follower means 

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to be a student, means to you're
learning from whoever you are 

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following. 
And for some that was John the 

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Baptist, for others it was the 
Pharisees, and for others it was

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Jesus. 
John the Baptist had disciples, 

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and you know what? 
Jesus had disciples. 

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And the two of them stopped 
following John the Baptist and 

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followed the Lord Jesus instead.
There is a confusion today over 

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what it means to be saved and 
what it means to be a disciple. 

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It's a serious confusion. 
Here's something scary. 

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You can munch on it while you 
have your lunch. 

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He called the 12 disciples to 
him and gave them authority to 

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drive out evil spirits and to 
heal every disease and sickness.

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These are the names of the 12 
apostles. 

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Go to the end after listing all 
the apostles. 

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Look who's in there. 
Judas is scarier. 

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Who betrayed him could not 
nurse. 

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He was a disciple then Jesus 
replied, Have I not chosen you 

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the 12 yet? 
One of you is a devil. 

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He meant Judas, the son of Simon
Iscariot, who, though one of the

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12, was to later betray him. 
See, here's the deal. 

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You can be Judas and not be 
saved but still be a disciple. 

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And it seems to me from that 
text that Judas had the same 

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power that the apostles had to 
heal and to do miracles, but he 

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wasn't saved. 
He was the son of Perdition, the

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son of the devil. 
Was he a follower of Jesus? 

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Yes. 
What did it mean to follow 

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Jesus? 
Well, he was an itinerant 

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teacher. 
See you and I've got it wrong. 

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We keep loading following with 
all this moral conformity to 

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Christ. 
Now, back in the day, to be a 

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follower of Jesus meant you had 
to leave your father and mother,

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you had to leave your wife and 
your children. 

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You had to leave your brother 
and sister and follow Jesus 

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because next day he was going to
be in a different village, and 

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the day after that he'd be in a 
different town. 

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He was an itinerant teacher, and
so you followed him from place 

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to place to place. 
That's what it meant to follow 

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Christ. 
It wasn't spiritual conformity. 

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It was just you were moving 
geographical location to keep 

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listening to the teacher. 
You were a student. 

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You were a follower. 
When you look at the New 

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Testament, there are three kinds
of disciples. 

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There are the curious ones and 
they're following Jesus. 

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And when they saw him with the 
five loaves and the two fish and

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they all felt they'd been to 
Maccas for the afternoon and got

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a free dinner, well, they kept 
following. 

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Then when Jesus said, listen, 
I'm up to you guys, you're 

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following me for a free feed. 
But I tell you, unless you eat 

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my flesh and drink my blood, you
have no life in you. 

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And they said, we're out of 
here. 

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This is this is too much. 
We're out of here now. 

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They were disciples. 
They were following, but when he

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said that, they drew back and 
they didn't follow anymore. 

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They remained curious. 
Then you have people who are 

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disciples who are convinced, and
these are the people who are 

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absolutely convinced that Jesus 
is the Christ, the Son of the 

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living God. 
Then you have people who are 

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committed. 
Unless you hate your father and 

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mother, your brother and sister,
your wife and your children, and

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leave them behind and follow me,
you cannot be my disciple. 

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Unless you take up your cross 
and follow me, you cannot be my 

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disciple. 
And that's the truth that Jesus 

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unloads later in the Gospel of 
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Let me help you a little more by
making some comparisons. 

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Now someone's going to have to 
read because discipleship means 

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following, right? 
I can hardly see it. 

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The colours are too light. 
But when you're talking about 

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salvation, you're talking about 
trusting. 

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These are two different things 
and disciple follows. 

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A believer trusts in 
discipleship. 

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Jesus is the teacher in 
salvation. 

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Jesus is the Saviour, but can 
you really have Jesus as a 

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teacher and not as a Saviour? 
You bet your life you can look 

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at the people who had Jesus as a
teacher and then turned back and

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followed him no more. 
These are two different things. 

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Discipleship is a process. 
Salvation happens in a moment of

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time. 
You know John chapter 5 says you

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pass from death to life. 
That happens instantaneously. 

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You, you, you're here. 1 moment 
you come to faith and next 

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moment you're here. 
You, you're born of the flesh. 

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Here you're born of the Spirit. 
And it happens instantaneously 

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in a moment when you trust Jesus
Christ to be your personal 

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Saviour from sin. 
And that's where the transaction

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happens. 
See, we've got caught up in 

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this. 
Ohh. 

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You gotta follow, you gotta 
follow. 

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You gotta you gotta become a, a,
a proper follower. 

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Back in the day when we were 
singing hymns before we got into

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the nursery rhymes that were 
thankfully emerging from OHH. 

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Happy day that fixed my choice 
on thee, my saviour and my God. 

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I can remember as a teenager 
singing this song. 

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You know you forget all the 
sermons in your life but you 

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never forget the songs. 
They keep coming back. 

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Tis done, the great transactions
done. 

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I am my Lords, and he is mine. 
It's a pity we don't sing that 

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stuff now, because we would 
understand there is a moment, 

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there is a transaction that 
takes place when I pass from 

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darkness into light, that 
salvation. 

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Now, discipleship is a process, 
and that can be a lifelong 

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process. 
Salvation happens in an instant.

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Discipleship is about learning. 
It's about getting an education.

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It's about listening. 
Salvation is about being saved. 

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It's not about getting an 
education. 

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It's about taking Christ to be 
our Saviour. 

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Discipleship will cost you, cost
you your wife, cost you your 

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children, cost you your 
business, cost you the fishing 

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boats, cost you the Nets, cost 
you all the income from those 

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fish that Jesus miraculously put
into your boat. 

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You have to leave it all behind.
It's going to cost, but 

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salvation is a free gift. 
The wages of sin is death, but 

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the free gift of God is eternal 
life. 

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And they're beautiful. 
You can't buy it, you know. 

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It's a free gift. 
I was visiting my cardiologist 

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on Friday. 
He he's a wonderful man. 

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He's kept me alive for the last 
15 years and I celebrated. 

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I took him to Fat Angus Burgers,
dripping with the best fat in 

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the world from Waikato Farms. 
And not really where we got 

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talking. 
And he said, now how old are 

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you? 
So I fessed up. 

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I said I'm 29. 
He said how old are you? 

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I said I'm 72. 
Ohh, you don't look 72. 

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He wanted me to return the 
favour but I didn't. 

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I just be quiet, he said. 
How are you enjoying retirement?

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I said, what's retirement? 
I'm not retired, he said. 

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What kind of work are you doing?
I said I'm involved with the 

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church. 
I'm a I'm in teaching and, and 

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Christian education and I'm ohh,
well that's good. 

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You see, he said. 
I'm not really looking forward 

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to retirement, I said. 
Why is that? 

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He said. 
Well, for you, you're working 

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your way to heaven, and for me, 
I'm just working for money. 

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I said well don't let it phase 
you, we can swap. 

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I said, Doctor Patel, you're a 
Hindu. 

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I'm gonna leave the working to 
get to heaven to you. 

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I've already been shouted a free
trip. 

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I'm going gratis first class. 
Someone has already paid for the

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trip. 
He didn't know quite what to do 

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with that. 
But salvation is a free gift. 

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You receive it in a moment, the 
moment you trust Christ to be 

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your personal Saviour. 
Discipleship is about getting 

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knowledge. 
Salvation is about obtaining 

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life. 
Discipleship is about taking up 

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our cross. 
Salvation is about His cross. 

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Listen to the words of an old 
theologian. 

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PPT Forsyth It's not about the 
sacrifice we make. 

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It's about the sacrifice we 
trust. 

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That's why we've taken communion
this morning. 

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Our internal wellbeing does not 
depend on our performance, it 

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depends on the shed blood of the
Lord Jesus who on the cross took

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the punishment for our sin. 
Discipleship is about the work 

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we do. 
Salvation happens through faith 

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alone. 
Can you see the difference? 

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It's a big difference, isn't it?
So you can be a disciple and not

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be saved, and you can be saved 
and not be a disciple. 

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You know that those are those 
arid, dry moments in your 

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Christian experience where 
you're going nowhere. 

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Are you saved? 
You bet your bottom dollar saved

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by the blood of Jesus Christ. 
But are you a disciple? 

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You're not following, you're not
going, You're not even moving. 

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So you can be saved and not be a
disciple, and you can be a 

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disciple and not be saved. 
So I have two questions for you.

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Have you been saved? 
You said. 

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Well, why else would I be in 
church? 

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Or let me tell you, you can be 
in church and not be safe. 

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You say, how in the world do I 
get saved by receiving Christ as

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your personal saviour, by 
ceasing all of your human hope 

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on your own ability and casting 
all of your trust entirely on 

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the person of Jesus. 
You say, how in the world do I 

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do that? 
Do you know? 

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It's really simple. 
We try and make it so 

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complicated, but it's so simple.
You ladies out there, you, you 

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got a beautician? 
Well, probably not, but have you

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got a hairdresser? 
You say I've got a hairdresser. 

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How did you get your 
hairdresser? 

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Well, you know, I rocked down 
the road and I rocked up to the 

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salon and I said I need someone 
who can fix this, can you do it?

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And they said yes. 
And you were so impressed. 

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You keep going back there time 
and time and time again. 

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You got yourself a hairdresser? 
Have you got yourself a doctor? 

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See here. 
He's an important person in my 

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life. 
I rock up to the surgery and I 

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say to my GP will you be my GP? 
And the GP says yes I will. 

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And I got myself a GP. 
I've got myself a mechanic up at

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West Auto. 
I have a mechanic and when 

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something needs doing to my car 
I go to that mechanic. 

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I don't wander around Auckland 
looking for a mechanic, I've 

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already got one. 
I sat down with him one day and 

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said can I rely on you to be my 
mechanic? 

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Will you commit yourself to 
servicing my vehicle and and 

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working repairs? 
Yes, I will see how simple it 

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is. 
Have you got a personal trainer 

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at the gym? 
I haven't, but you might have 

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one. 
My doctor the other day said do 

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you have regular exercise? 
I said I go to the fridge 39 

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times a day, what else do you 
want? 

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He said, Do you snack at night? 
I said yes, I do. 

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He said you gotta stop that. 
I said. 

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Then why did they put a light in
the refrigerator? 

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That's from midnight Snow. 
But I've got a GP. 

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Have you got a mortgage broker? 
Yes, I have. 

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How did you get them? 
You got on the phone and said 

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will you be my mortgage? 
But now listen, out of all the 

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religious leaders in the world, 
have you ever gone to Jesus 

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Christ and said, I want you to 
be my saviour? 

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See, that's that's the moment 
when the great transaction is 

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done. 
And he says, why else do you 

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think I died? 
I've been waiting for you all 

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this time. 
Come on home. 

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And as many as received him, to 
them he gave the right to be 

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called the children of God. 
But are you a disciple? 

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See, Peter got saved a long time
ago, but now he's following from

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one town to another to another, 
and he's committed himself to 

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learning from the Master to be 
saved as wonderful. 

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To be a disciple is so 
refreshing because you keep on 

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growing and growing and learning
and learning. 

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There's a world of difference 
between the two. 

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If you're here this morning and 
you've been hanging around 

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church forever but you haven't 
been saved, take a moment and 

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say Lord Jesus, I've got a 
banker, I've got a personal 

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trainer, I've got a mechanic, 
I've got a hairdresser, but I 

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haven't gotta save you. 
I'm coming to you. 

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I'm asking you, I'm depending on
you. 

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I'm receiving you to be my 
saviour. 

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Now, for those of us that are 
stagnating in the wilderness, 

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don't you think it's time to 
follow and to be a disciple, to 

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be a learner? 
You know, the big trouble is a 

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lot of us Christians don't go 
far enough for the fun. 

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We're hanging around in the 
shallows and we're bored to 

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tears, but we won't make the 
commitment to go deeper, to go 

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further, to take it seriously, 
to get into your Bible in depth 

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and grow so that the Christian 
life becomes an adventure. 

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Father, by the gracious ministry
of Your Spirit, illuminate our 

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hearts to the Word You have 
given us. 

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In Jesus name we pray, Amen.
