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I hear your heart. 
I need to Kyodo Kota Tamarikumar

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and welcome back to jobless 
behaviour. 

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My name is Maria Richmond. 
And my name is King Axel. 

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Hi, Axel. 
Hi. 

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How are we doing today? 
We're doing good, a little sick 

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but. 
Oh. 

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Oh, how terrible, how terrible, 
how terrible. 

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Well, prepare to be sick of me 
bitch cause welcome to a jobless

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behaviour subsection which is 
called Maria Defence Fun pop 

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music. 
Today we'll be discussing the 

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long anticipated. 
Go on, go on. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah, the long anticipated debut

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of Ke$ha as an independent 
artist. 

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Yes, we're talking period, 
period. 

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Yep, period, full stop. 
Whatever. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
It's just. 

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OK, well firstly, to give a bit 
of context, this is Ke$ha's 

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first album post Doctor Luke 
Contract. 

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Yeah, post gag order, some would
say. 

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Yeah, look, let let's start with
our thoughts on Ke$ha as a whole

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before we get into this album. 
Are you a animal? 

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I'm an animal. 
You're an animal. 

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Oops. 
Honey, I'm an animal deluxe. 

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Cannibal, Cannibal no you. 
I did like your debut album. 

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I think it was a little late to 
it. 

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I 'cause I think I bought the CD
like 2 years after it was 

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released or something. 
It was on sale and I was like, 

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well, I have $10, let me buy 
this album and I really did 

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enjoy it. 
I'll be OK. 

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I'll be very, very honest. 
I don't think I am that much of 

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A Kasha stand. 
Wow, big swing. 

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Big swing I. 
Isn't I'm going to take a big 

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swing on you right now. 
I can appreciate her place in 

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pop music. 
She is a good songwriter at. 

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At the top of the throne, that's
what you're saying. 

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Her place. 
No, like, she's a good vocalist,

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she's a good songwriter. 
That's pretty much it for me on 

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her. 
Like, I don't feel like there's 

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a lot there. 
What is like Keisha as a whole? 

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Yeah. 
Listen, speaking as someone who 

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has an affliction for fun pop 
music, I I've spoken to Mr. King

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Axel over here many times about 
this metaphor I like to use, 

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which is the sugary cereal 
metaphor, right? 

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Can you please explain it? 
Because I remember when you 

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tried to with me, it took 
probably half an hour for me to 

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be like, oh, that was. 
Very late in the night, shall 

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we? 
Say sometimes Maria has a 

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metaphor that it takes a bit of 
work to fully understand. 

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Or I'm dumb. 
So this metaphor is like music 

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as a vehicle of like food 
nutrition, right? 

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What do you start the day with? 
Breakfast. 

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OK, so think of like some a good
piece of music as something like

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nutritional, like gives you 
energy, something to really 

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start your day. 
And then the kind of music that 

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I enjoy is like, not necessarily
the most nutritious. 

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Perhaps you don't want to start 
your day with a whole bunch of 

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sugar, but you love it. 
So think of like, FK twigs is 

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like wheat begs. 
OK, stock, standard, classic 

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breakfast. 
Everyone grew up having some 

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wheat begs. 
I myself, I like a bit of colory

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gypsum. 
I think she's a bit of like, 

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honey pops. 
Yeah. 

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Honey pops. 
Yeah. 

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Like something a little more 
sugary. 

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Yeah. 
A little bit like, you know, 

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potentially not as good. 
Yeah. 

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For you, Yeah. 
But so sweet still, like. 

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Yeah. 
And then, like Ke$ha, relating 

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it back to this is like Lucky 
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Like, why is there marshmallow 
in my cereal? 

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I love it. 
Yeah, that is way more clear 

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than I. 
Remember it, babe? 

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Yeah, that's that's exactly how 
I explained it last time. 

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Basically. 
Yeah. 

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I don't know. 
It was late in the night. 

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Maybe it's because I know it 
now. 

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So yes, that's Maria, Yes. 
Yeah. 

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So what were you saying about 
Ke$ha? 

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I'm Ke$ha. 
Look, the music might not be 

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amazing, but I love it. 
I love it. 

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It's so sugary, like it is, you 
know how like I, I don't know if

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you ever did this as a kid, but 
instead of putting like sugar on

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your, what do they call them? 
Rice pops Rice pops rice. 

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Crispy. 
Whatever. 

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Crispy. 
Oh yeah. 

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Snap, Crackle, pop, those guys 
but still putting sugar on it. 

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You put Milo and it makes like 
Coco pops. 

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Yeah, basically doing that. 
I loved it, no. 

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I don't like that. 
Loved it, yeah. 

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No. 
Well, that's the thing. 

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Like I can like I listen to 
Animal and the deluxe Cannibal 

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and it's like, I do think your 
songwriting is really good. 

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Like production is really good 
and I just don't know why within

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the past few years it's just not
working the same. 

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I mean I think there are 
multiple, multiple kind of 

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reasons and you know, cause and 
effects here. 

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Not to get too much into like 
the legal proceedings and lore 

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of it all, but I think Kisha had
a turning point post legal 

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battles where she had, I don't 
even remember what the album's 

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called there, I'm blinking, but 
Rainbow, Rainbow, Yeah, Rainbow 

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where she like, had praying. 
And the perception on Ke$ha kind

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of shifted from this like trashy
party girl that everyone was a 

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kind of shit on to like oh wow, 
this is like an artist. 

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Yeah, it's almost similar to 
like Gaga. 

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And I feel like it's similar in 
the sense that it's like this 

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huge brand change and like, 
like, I like Rainbow and Gag 

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Order. 
I'm High Road. 

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What was that other album? 
That yeah, the one. 

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Really was a flicker. 
It was. 

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That one was a bit crazy. 
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remember that one, but like I 
really liked her going in that 

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direction and it almost feels it
just doesn't feel like her 

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anymore. 
Going back to the sound. 

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I can't have the same opinion 
about Gaga. 

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Like it's. 
Oh my God, it. 

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Doesn't like. 
It's almost like I it doesn't 

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seem like you want to be doing 
what you're doing. 

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OK, let's we, we're going to 
have to stop that right now 

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because we are going to have to 
have a separate conversation 

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about me here, but we will get 
back to that. 

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But yes, as it pertains to 
Ke$ha, I think again, there was 

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this kind of artistic shift 
where maybe Ke$ha didn't want to

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like release a huge bop and have
all the money go to the person 

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who's made a life fucking 
miserable. 

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So I think there was a shift in 
her music and I think her 

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dipping her toe back in the 
water of the fun pop that kind 

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of made her who she was. 
Key dollar sign. 

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Ha, I think you know, she's 
she's breaking the rust off the 

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bike. 
She's putting the training 

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wheels back on. 
Yeah, I don't know, like even 

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with her recent collapse, like 
with Charlie and like attention 

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with Slater and stuff, it 
doesn't like everyone's kind of 

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like, oh, we have the old 
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doesn't feel like that. 
It was like. 

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And I think that's what made me 
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Cash's debut and stuff. 
It's very off the time. 

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I I don't necessarily think it's
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I think Ke$ha set the tone of 
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Yeah, like, in the same way. 
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young to, like, really be 
cognizant of this set of the 

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world at the time, but Ke$ha was
such a punching bag, like such a

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massive punching bag. 
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But everyone knew her music, so 
to be put under that much of a 

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critical lens and microscope, 
whilst having such a huge reach,

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I think certainly gives Stokes 
the flames of like, making a 

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really good influential pop 
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And yeah, it's kind of hard to 
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the whole. 
Youthical. 

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Professional puke. 
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I don't want to say Doctor Luke,
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I'll say. 
Mr. Puke. 

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Yeah. 
I think that's like the 

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unfortunate situation of it all 
is that has kind of, I guess 

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like swallowed a lot of her 
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And as unfortunate as it is, 
it's kind of what's happened. 

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It's almost, I guess, yeah, 
overtaken her career. 

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And I hope, if nothing else, 
it's kind of sit and I don't 

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want to say example, but like a 
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reading their contracts properly
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themselves and like, you know, 
having good people around them. 

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Yeah, now for sure. 
And like, like I'll say right 

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now, I didn't like this album, 
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just whatever she wants and I 
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an artist. 
Though with that being said, 

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let's talk about period. 
Let's talk about period. 

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Period. 
First single joyride? 

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Yes. 
I think this was perfectly 

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exemplary of like a return to 
Ke$ha. 

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Yeah, I I wasn't crazy about 
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It was clever pop, interesting 
production, and it was 

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interesting since it felt fresh 
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Yeah, I like the song. 
Like this is again Animal 

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cannibal Ke$ha with the lens of 
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been doing post rainbow. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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Like, yeah, like I said, old 
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contemporary vibe. 
Yeah, yeah, I like the song. 

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I loved the song immediately, 
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not talk about the cultural 
significance of Joyride fan Cam 

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video. 
Cam I kind of forgot about that 

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until recently. 
A significant promotion device 

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created by some fan just putting
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the exact essence of the song 
and it went absolutely viral and

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it's been tried to replicate 
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quite in the same way. 
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Joyride, does Joyride have a 
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It does, eh I. 
Think so, but it just reminded 

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me. 
It had that TikTok dance. 

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Yeah, there was this like little
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It was kind. 
Of cut to me and dragged during 

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that dance it. 
Was kind of a shit dance, but I 

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think it it was more so because 
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independent. 
That is, you know, like 

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everyone's been rooting for her.
I think it was just everyone was

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trying to help her to help her 
get a good one. 

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I was, I was about to say 
everyone was trying to kill Katy

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Perry. 
Yeah, Why? 

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No, I was going to say it was 
joy in the same time it was 

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Woman's World. 
I wasn't though. 

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No, but yeah. 
I can't remember the second 

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single though. 
Oh no, he's like, can. 

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No, it wasn't. 
It was. 

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No, it wasn't delusional. 
Oh, even worse. 

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You don't remember this. 
You don't remember this? 

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No. 
Well, OK, so I remember now 

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because that's where I checked 
out. 

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Yes, so delusional came out and 
she's I think the like intention

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behind this was again to harken 
back, maybe not as far as like 

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animal cannibal, but kind of 
rainbow vibes of like a slow 

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down like ballady pop song. 
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We must to not talk about the 
scandal of the single having AI 

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art on it, which has now been 
replaced. 

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She's made a full statement of 
being like. 

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I didn't understand the 
significance of what was 

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happening. 
I fully don't support AI art now

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that I've, you know, educated 
myself and come to like 

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understand what it what it is. 
I also think it's really like it

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shows a lot of humility for a 
pop star to roll back something 

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like that and go I was wrong. 
I've learned. 

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Yeah, exactly, because I felt 
like everyone kind of moved on 

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from it as well. 
So for her to bring the 

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attention back and be like, 
actually no, that was wrong, I 

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understand now and then like fix
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It was really cool to see. 
But Delusional has a song. 

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I like the verses. 
I like the songwriting. 

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The verses and the production 
sounded promising, but the 

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chorus kind of just leads to 
nothing. 

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Yeah, I mean, it's a one note 
vibe and not to say it's only 

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one note. 
Again, she's showing off a 

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little bit of her. 
She's flexing her vocal muscles.

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She's not exactly using them, 
but she's flexing a little. 

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Oh, look at these. 
Yeah, I I didn't exactly vibe 

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with this one. 
As a general rule, I don't love 

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a pop ballad in the sense that 
it can't build like a pop song 

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and it can't build like a 
ballad. 

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So you can't be Céline Dion and 
Britney Spears. 

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Like, you just can't. 
There's no one in in the middle.

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Even when Beyoncé can do both, 
she doesn't do both at the same 

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time. 
Yeah, this is. 

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It's just it's fella like. 
I don't necessarily think it's 

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filler, I think this is an 
important note in the larger 

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like context of what this album 
is and the story it tells. 

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Can't wait to get into that 
because I don't have a single 

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clue what the story is. 
Yes, yeah. 

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And then we go into Yuppie Kai. 
Yeah, I think so. 

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I'm struggling to remember now, 
but I I remember for sure. 

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Delusional was the second one. 
Yeah, no super Kyo Now what's 

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your thoughts? 
Bitch I just bought a brand new 

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car. 
I think it's for sure again. 

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I think reheating her the height
I I don't even know if it's the 

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height. 
I would say it's an an attempted

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return to Ke$ha in that I think 
it's reheating Timber's nachos a

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little and I think she's trying 
to do a little bit of that, 

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Yeah, yeah. 
I like, I just, I think this 

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point I was really confused at a
direction like these three songs

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were pretty different from each 
other. 

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The song right on New Picaya is 
really bad. 

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The production's really bad. 
Her vocals are fun, yeah, so you

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can make a catchy melody. 
Yeah, I think again, the 

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production and lyricism kind of 
reflects the vibe of the song. 

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Like again, that white trashy 
party vibe is reflected in the 

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like white trashy lyricism and 
the production, the like strip 

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back production kind of reflects
like a lack of access, blah 

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blah, blah. 
You know, like I I understand 

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how it all fits together. 
Yeah. 

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Do I think it could be better? 
Sure. 

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Absolutely. 
Like she wait, did she? 

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She did she. 
She released it without T pain A

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first. 
Or is it just for T pain? 

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I think it is just T pain. 
I can't remember solo. 

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Because the the actual version 
on the album is without T pain. 

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Oh. 
OK. 

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Wow, I actually can't remember. 
Not neither. 

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No. 
I think she released the 

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original version and then like a
week later she released the 

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remix and the T Pain version. 
Yeah. 

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Well, T pain finally figured out
his Instagram requests. 

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Do did you know? 
So he was he like streams on 

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like I think it's twitch. 
Yeah, but you know, correct me 

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if I'm wrong, but like. 
T pain stands. 

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T pain stands. 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but no,

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like he was like streaming on 
Twitch and then he was like 

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headers Instagram up on the 
screen and people like, you 

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know, geeking about the verified
tab and stuff. 

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And then went to his, he went to
like his messages for some 

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reason. 
And someone was like, why do you

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have like over 1000 or like over
a blah, blah requests. 

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And he was like, what's a 
request? 

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And so he opens his request and 
sees like request after request 

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by like famous pop stars for 
features and like production 

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help and stuff. 
And he's like, what the hell? 

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Oh my God. 
Like he's missed out on years of

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opportunities in the music 
industry because he didn't know 

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what the request feature was on 
Instagram. 

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Well, that's another thing. 
It's like, I don't want to say 

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out of all the songs on this 
album, but out of every song you

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did your PKA with T. 
Pain I I think both of them have

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this kind of essence about them 
that's like party vibe, so I 

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understand it but. 
Ke$ha can make a brilliant party

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song. 
Yeah. 

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This isn't it. 
I I understand it. 

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I think, yeah, again, it could 
be, it could go further, it 

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could be more party. 
That's all right. 

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Yeah, because I I also want to 
mention this song is in between 

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Joyride and Delusional. 
Yeah, so we got Joyride. 

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Yippee KA Delusional. 
Yeah. 

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Like what? 
Yeah, or the 4th single. 

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This is kind of where it picked 
up because that's boy crazy. 

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Yeah, I love this. 
It's a good song. 

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I loved this. 
I I'm double check. 

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I think it is a bit later on the
track list. 

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No, produced by Zone. 
I think that's how you say his 

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name. 
Oh, ZHONE, Yeah. 

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Isn't he producing a big album 
coming up? 

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He's. 
Doing Demi Lovato Demi. 

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Lovato. 
But I because I remember I used 

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to like follow him when he was 
doing like really small artists 

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because he's really in the hyper
pop scene. 

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So I, like, looked onto him 
recently and found out he's 

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doing a lot of the Goddess, 
Yeah, like Demi Lovato, he 

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worked on Brett. 
So he's like, really popping up 

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lately. 
But he does do a few tricks on 

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this album. 
I think another one he does is 

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Red Flag, Yeah. 
I think I I for sure knowing 

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that context yeah, I love zones 
producing love it didn't know 

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who was before right now, but 
slay you better work zone. 

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Because I thought he was a 
smaller artist. 

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I know I had was like, she 
should have worked with him on 

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more of the album. 
But maybe he is a bit expensive,

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especially for an independent 
artist. 

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But yeah, boy, crazy. 
Yeah, That's that's good. 

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Yeah, I think this was for sure 
the second note of the like 

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joyride thing. 
I think it takes it up even 

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further into like a more clubby 
vibe. 

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Yeah, no, the song is definitely
for the clubs like this is, I 

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wouldn't say a brilliant like 
Ke$ha party anthem. 

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It's a GGT, yeah. 
It's for the girls, the guys 

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that. 
They Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 

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You know I like go crazy. 
Yeah, love it. 

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Yeah. 
And then I think we got to the 

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album release. 
Yes, yes, yeah. 

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And so. 
So it begins, right? 

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So it begins. 
OK, we are home with freedom. 

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Yes. 
Very long song. 

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Yes, I, you know, there's been 
commentary about the song and 

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that it should have had opened 
with instrumental and then 

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freedom. 
The actual song should have been

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a track. 
Because I do agree with the 

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criticism that I'm not going to 
add this to any playlists 

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because I do not want to listen 
to a minute and a half of the 

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grand opening of this album, 
especially if I'm not listening 

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to the full album. 
Yeah, 'cause the actual song of 

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freedom. 
Is good yeah. 

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Again, I think this is one of 
those moments where the stripped

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the stripped back production of 
this album really shines where 

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she kind of just, you know, 
flexes her vocal muscles a 

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little bit like the the vibe of 
it is very true to Ke$ha and the

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like, orchestra, not orchestral.
The choir arrangement is like so

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successful in terms of like what
it is. 

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I also think the significance of
this album being her first one 

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as an independent artist and 
releasing it on 4th of July, the

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Independence Day in America and 
starting with Freedom. 

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That's the annoying thing is 
it's like it's such a 

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significant unpinner and I feel 
like she ruined it with a like 2

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minute long. 
Yeah, I wouldn't say ruined it. 

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Like artistically cute choice, 
Love it, but it hurts the song. 

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Yeah. 
In itself. 

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Yeah, because yeah, like, the 
song itself is really good 

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songwriting, really good. 
The message is clear. 

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It's good. 
Production is called I. 

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Yeah, she's been releasing a lot
of remix and stuff. 

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If she just released a version 
without the interpret. 

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I need to see like her thoughts 
on the song because I don't 

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think she will and obviously 
it's a song that's probably 

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close to her. 
I I just cannot understand for 

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the life of me that 2 minute 
long intro that doesn't really 

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add anything. 
I I think it, it's sort of 

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again, it sets the tone I. 
What tone I? 

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Personally, go into disco 
straight again, I but I think 

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it's, you know, the cultural 
conscious of it all. 

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It's being released on 
Independence Day. 

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It's her opening as an 
independent artist, a debut of 

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sorts. 
And I think the kind of 

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grandness that it creates in 
itself kind of is like, well, 

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Kesh is back, and I like that. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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It's like complaining that. 
It's like complaining a cartoon 

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character has a theme song like 
this is her big opening, you 

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know? 
And it's just really, I'm not 

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saying Keisha has a big opening,
but if it was, this is it. 

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No, I yeah, yeah, I was really 
disappointed. 

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I think. 
Yeah, the two minutes ruined it 

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for me. 
And see, I, I thought it built 

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it. 
And then when it got to freedom,

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I was like, Oh yeah, we're free.
What time pressure? 

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Let's go, We're free. 
No, I think after the three 

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minutes and the song came and I 
was like, what the fuck was all 

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that? 
What was? 

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The reason, But yeah, I don't 
have much else to say on that 

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one. 
We didn't do the the three 

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singles. 
We do the three singles joyride 

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replica a delusional. 
Red flag. 

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Then we get a red flag, honey. 
First of all, I will mention in 

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the context of the album Joyride
Yippee Ki a delusional red flag.

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Pretty decent. 
That's a real good track run. 

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Yeah, I will say yippee Ki and 
delusional feel a bit like fella

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but it like back to there. 
Textually I see what you mean. 

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If this was an AP, that'd be a 
good AP. 

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Freedom to red flag CP be a red 
flag. 

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Also produced by Zone. 
Fun pop song. 

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Feels like old Ke$ha. 
It feels done well. 

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I do feel her vocal performance 
was a bit boring. 

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There's not a lot of dynamic to 
it. 

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You don't like the the little 
run she does? 

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Yeah, it's all within like 5 
notes I feel. 

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But it's vocal flipping. 
I thought it was really 

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interesting. 
Like it's, I think it reflects 

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the like, like the actual 
meaning of the song. 

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Like she's saying like the 
problem is that I ignore these 

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red flags. 
I like this type of guy and the 

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emphasis and like elongation of 
I being a whole 5 notes and like

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half of each line is like the 
emphasis is that it's me. 

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These guys aren't the problem, 
it's the fact that I'm choosing.

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Them I think if it was shorter 
it would have worked but better.

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But even being the length of 
three minutes thirty and it 

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being so one note vocally, it it
it just it bores you a bit. 

426
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Yeah. 
But yeah, that's kind of like 

427
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Chris's on it. 
I like the songwriting. 

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I like the song itself. 
But yeah, it does get a little 

429
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snoozy. 
I think as far as songwriting 

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goes, this is a real high point 
in the album where she uses 

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really interesting words. 
They make really good sounds in 

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terms of like how it matches the
production and stuff. 

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And yeah, again, I, I really 
liked it every. 

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I think everything worked 
together really well. 

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Now I will give her her flowers.
This one. 

436
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This one was good, probably the 
best so far. 

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We've been going to love 
forever. 

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Now, I, I do want to say that 
this first section of the album,

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those first 5 tracks, super 
strong. 

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I was, I at this point, I was 
gagged. 

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I was set for this album because
I was like, Oh yeah. 

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So those were just, you know, 
this is just the opening of the 

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album. 
Unfortunately, this is where we 

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lose zones influence a little 
bit. 

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That that was it. 
And I'm not saying that that's 

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certainly a negative thing. 
I I think this is the point 

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where I talk about like at least
my understanding of the 

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narrative of this album, 'cause 
I think this is where the tone 

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switches of this album. 
So I understand this to be like 

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her departing from a semi 
serious relationship where she 

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realised and understood this 
person that she was with to be 

452
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:17,720
sort of like a cloud chaser or 
like interested in who she was 

453
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,840
as like a celebrity and not so 
much like as a person. 

454
00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:28,520
So we get tracks like freedom 
and delusional being like you 

455
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,560
know, I'm no longer in this 
relationship. 

456
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:35,800
You are crazy hate you and the 
jury Rupikaye and red flag as 

457
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:41,080
like her having a really fast 
like you know now I can be crazy

458
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,800
and single and live my life and 
then red flag being obviously 

459
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,080
like whoops my bad this keeps 
happening lol. 

460
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:54,400
So I think this next run kind of
explores, well, I think it 

461
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,560
explores the ups and downs of 
like, you know. 

462
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,240
That's a really clever way to 
say it's not consistent. 

463
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:07,840
Look, it is up and down. 
It like switches back and forth.

464
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,760
I think there's a real dichotomy
in this album between like, you 

465
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:16,440
know, wanting love and wanting 
like someone there to like, be 

466
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,160
your partner again. 
Unfortunately, our pop stars at 

467
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,840
the moment. 
Or at least, you know, from the 

468
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,920
girls we like, they're in their,
like, 30s. 

469
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,160
They're looking to settle down. 
Yeah. 

470
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,040
Like. 
Yeah, I mean, I guess. 

471
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:35,280
Shut up. 
OK. 

472
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,440
Here we go. 
But yeah, love forever. 

473
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,480
I want to love that last 
forever. 

474
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,280
So does everyone else. 
Yeah. 

475
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,360
But I. 
No one's saying that Again, this

476
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,240
is, this is where we're going to
keep going back and forth and 

477
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,040
arguing, arguing. 
But yeah, I think it's a really 

478
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,160
basic, strong song. 
A little bit of the sky, you 

479
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,240
know? 
I love the disco little disco 

480
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:04,720
void. 
It's such a snoze, such a snoze.

481
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:06,720
Especially going after a red 
flag. 

482
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,760
Yeah, I don't have much to say 
on this song. 

483
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,440
I feel like it doesn't need to 
be on the album. 

484
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:20,400
Lyrically boring. 
I I don't want to say vocally 

485
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:25,320
boring, yeah, just cause fun. 
Yeah, it's repetitive. 

486
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:30,840
It's I'm trying to think how it 
relates to like my sugary 

487
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:35,800
metaphor and that it's not like 
super cheesy and like super 

488
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:41,600
sweet, but it's like, I just 
want to say this is like 

489
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:47,040
pancakes where it's like this 
isn't exactly cereal, but it is 

490
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,640
sweet and you have it for 
breakfast for sure. 

491
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,000
Yeah, I can't really add much. 
But I love a pancake in. 

492
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,920
Terms of criticism to the song, 
it's yeah. 

493
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,880
To me, it's just fella. 
If it was there or not, I 

494
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,680
wouldn't notice. 
Wow. 

495
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,360
Yeah. 
But then we go into the one, The

496
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,200
one. 
I kind of like the one. 

497
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,560
I love. 
It, yeah, I like her vocals are 

498
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,000
really good. 
The productions, the 

499
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:25,760
production's OK. 
It is a little bit outdated, but

500
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,840
yeah, that's a good song. 
Another one that probably 

501
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,360
wouldn't really care about if it
was on the album or not. 

502
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,920
I think this hits all the same 
notes of love forever. 

503
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:42,200
Not contextually like literally 
production wise, lyricism wise, 

504
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,040
everything. 
And I think it kind of 

505
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:51,640
disservices them both having 
them back-to-back only because 

506
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,320
they tell the same story, if 
exactly the same. 

507
00:31:55,680 --> 00:32:00,960
But I think this is way more of 
like a reflexive I I do not 

508
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,720
understand. 
This is the one criticism I've 

509
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,720
given the narrative of this 
thing red flag being like it's 

510
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,160
my fault that I picked the wrong
guys love forever. 

511
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:16,440
I want to find like you know the
one the person and then the one 

512
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:22,480
is me and I get the idea. 
But you said 2 songs ago that 

513
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,640
you were the problem. 
You know that you were picking 

514
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,200
the wrong people. 
Yeah, that's kind of my problem 

515
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,840
with the album as a whole. 
It's like every three songs is 

516
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:35,040
so clear, makes sense, and then 
we switch it but and kind of 

517
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,800
like a repeat. 
But again, I think it follows 

518
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,440
the same like up and down roller
coaster ride. 

519
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:45,800
Do I think that's particularly a
good way to tell a story? 

520
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,600
No, but I think it's 
interesting. 

521
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:56,520
Like this is kind of, in my 
opinion, representative of the 

522
00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:01,080
post breakup crash out. 
Like, yeah, you go out and you 

523
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,560
party, like fuck him. 
And then you get a little too 

524
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,440
drunk and all of a sudden, yeah,
you're crying, being like. 

525
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,160
I just feel like it's being done
way better. 

526
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,080
Like, I feel like that's such a 
generous way to say that The 

527
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,800
album is messy. 
Yeah, but. 

528
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,920
Yeah, but I think the album 
would be this album as it is, it

529
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:26,120
would be more boring if it was 
featuring just one kind of of 

530
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:30,280
those motions being like, you 
know, if it started with all the

531
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:36,960
like sentimental lovey songs 
gone to like the self reflection

532
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,120
stuff and then all the like 
party like whoa, I'm single, 

533
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,960
let's go stuff, I think that 
would have been really like 

534
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,480
boring. 
But I feel like there's been 

535
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,120
structures, the albums, they 
have done the structure really 

536
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:53,440
well, like Brett where you're 
discussing your party girl era 

537
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,440
sort of thing with flickering 
moments of self reflection and 

538
00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:03,680
stuff. 
I feel like Ke$ha is so stuck on

539
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,880
a way of songwriting that she 
struggles to tell a story that 

540
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,040
is different than what she's 
used to writing. 

541
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,960
She kind of has like 3 formats. 
I can kind of echo that 

542
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,360
sentiment only. 
And again, with the larger 

543
00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:21,920
context of, you know, her label 
and, like, what she's been 

544
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:29,080
through, I can see this being, 
like, remnants of other albums 

545
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,440
that she's, like, saved and been
like, actually, I don't want to 

546
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:37,560
give this to, like, you know, 
the label and have it be like, 

547
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:39,600
not my baby. 
Yeah. 

548
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:45,679
So do I think it's particularly 
successful that she's kind of 

549
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,560
smashed all these ideas 
together? 

550
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,920
No. 
But it's still fun. 

551
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,760
I love. 
It yeah, we've been going to boy

552
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,159
crazy. 
We've already talked about that 

553
00:34:55,400 --> 00:35:01,920
fun song, a little crazy in the 
track list, and we got to glow. 

554
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,960
I really like it. 
Like again, it's that strip 

555
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:17,080
down, strip back like Ke$ha and 
it's not as like Power Ballady. 

556
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:24,280
I think in contrast with the 
other songs that kind of fill 

557
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:28,840
this niche, because it strips 
back on the belady moment, like 

558
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:36,400
Delusional, it kind of loses 
exactly what it is because it's 

559
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:42,080
not like a pop song because it's
slow and like repetitive and Oh 

560
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:46,840
well, pop songs are repetitive, 
but it's really one note because

561
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,200
it doesn't have that belady 
moment. 

562
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:56,480
It's terrible. 
It's such a terrible song. 

563
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:03,040
Her songwriting is awful. 
Like that line, Like my music 

564
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,720
played at Walmart, like you 
can't escape me. 

565
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,320
Like they play anything at 
Walmart. 

566
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,840
They play the most cheapest 
commercial music. 

567
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,800
At Walmart, but that's, but 
that's what you're saying is 

568
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:20,320
like, you know, even at Walmart,
you will still hear the remnants

569
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:25,440
of me. 
Like I'm, I'm such like woven 

570
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:30,640
into the fabric of like everyday
life that you will not forget 

571
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,560
me. 
And I shouldn't forget myself 

572
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,040
because of that. 
Yeah, I just feel like that was 

573
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,960
a dumb lurk. 
But production. 

574
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,840
I have one note on the 
production as a positive. 

575
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,560
I actually have one positive I'd
like to share. 

576
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:54,480
I think like the song Boy, Crazy
Red Flag, there's a similarity 

577
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,200
in production. 
I did check and Zone hasn't 

578
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:02,960
produced Glow, but there is like
this sort of hyper pop influence

579
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,520
that she has been kind of 
gathering lately, like with 

580
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:10,560
Charlie and Slater. 
So as much as I don't like it, I

581
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,600
can, I can see like a bit of 
cohesion going on. 

582
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,600
Yeah, the vocals are really 
poorly mixed on this track. 

583
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:23,480
The auto trainer sometimes 
crackly, almost like I'm not in 

584
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,840
pitch. 
It's a really hard listen, like 

585
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,440
I don't really have songs that 
I'm like, that is painful to 

586
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,960
listen to, but the song was so 
bad. 

587
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,600
See, I think it's done in like, 
such a camp way. 

588
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,640
And I don't know if that's me, 
like coping with the fact that 

589
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,640
it's poorly done. 
Yeah, very well could be, to be 

590
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,720
fair. 
But I think it's like camp. 

591
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:52,560
Yeah, I mean, I feel like you 
can say that about anything 

592
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,320
that's bad. 
Yeah, but that's what camp is 

593
00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:00,040
like. 
She's A, at least in my, it's 

594
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,760
not like she did this auto 
tuning accidentally and it's 

595
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,880
turned out bad, you know, like 
this is obviously a style that 

596
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:10,000
she's going for and that's what 
makes a camp is the 

597
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,400
self-awareness. 
And she suffer weird though. 

598
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:20,800
I sincerely do not believe that 
the pop queen Ke$ha did not push

599
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,080
out something like this without 
at least a knowledge. 

600
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,640
Like, yeah, it's, it's kind of 
crunchy. 

601
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,360
Love it. 
Yeah, no, I, I wear a song on 

602
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:34,800
the album like this is so bad. 
Yeah. 

603
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:39,000
I don't really get the context. 
And where it sits, sits one 

604
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,000
note. 
Production's a little 

605
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:45,240
interesting, I'll give her that.
It's a little cohesive with some

606
00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:48,840
of the other tracks, but I I 
can't listen to this song ever 

607
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,960
again. 
Yeah, Like, yeah, we go into Too

608
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,840
Hard. 
Do you have thoughts on Too 

609
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:56,160
Hard? 
I kind of can't remember it. 

610
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,000
See, this is the one song you've
used the word filler a few 

611
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,440
times. 
This is the one song I think is 

612
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,520
actual filler. 
Yeah, yeah. 

613
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,960
I mean, I can't, I can't really 
say much on it because I 

614
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,800
genuinely cannot. 
Again, it's hitting the no of 

615
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:16,960
like lamenting the loss of the 
relationship, but at the same 

616
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:22,880
time like appreciating that it's
over and being like, oh, you 

617
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:24,680
know, it sucks. 
I'm not in a relationship 

618
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,320
anymore. 
But you know why I'm not? 

619
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,400
Because you sucked. 
And here's always you sucked. 

620
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,560
OK. 
Yeah, no, like, yeah. 

621
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,200
This is something. 
Fellow on this album. 

622
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,960
Kisha just holds a grudge. 
I mean, that's fair. 

623
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,040
Yeah, and totally. 
I will support anyone who wants 

624
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,120
to hold a grudge because I'm I 
too am a pity bitch. 

625
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:50,720
Yeah, I think it also. 
Yeah, can make good music. 

626
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,720
Not here. 
There's just a really 

627
00:39:54,720 --> 00:40:01,160
unfortunate thing as she can 
make a really good pop record. 

628
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,160
About being in love or breaking 
up. 

629
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,440
And I just feel like there's so 
many misses here. 

630
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,040
And it's like, yeah, you're an 
independent artist. 

631
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:15,120
You have pretty much complete 
freedom. 

632
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:19,440
And a lot of these tracks are 
just like, what are you doing? 

633
00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:24,600
Yeah. 
No, I I don't really have much 

634
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:29,280
to say else on too hard. 
Yeah, yeah. 

635
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,960
And then we get to the end of 
the original album. 

636
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:38,360
The End Cathedral. 
Possibly my favorite song. 

637
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,040
Yeah, it's a really good song, 
Yeah. 

638
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,480
I was a little nervous at first.
We're not nervous, but like, 

639
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,680
lyrically it's really good. 
I love lyrics to this one 

640
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:54,160
reminiscent of like Rainbow and 
like the ballad albums Cash is 

641
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,720
done. 
I was nervous in the sense I was

642
00:40:56,720 --> 00:41:00,000
like, I've already heard this 
from Ke$ha, like I don't really 

643
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,680
want to know the Ke$ha ballad, 
but builds up really well. 

644
00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:08,560
And then obviously the outro 
like so intense. 

645
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,680
And this is where I go back to 
like glow and boy crazy there is

646
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,480
because she has this like 
distortion mixed in her voice 

647
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,240
and it's industrial. 
Reminds me of like you probably 

648
00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:21,080
won't know these artists but 
like Brackens and Glaive who are

649
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,360
like those like rock hyper pop 
sort of artists. 

650
00:41:25,240 --> 00:41:29,800
So to me it was like this is 
good and it still makes sense. 

651
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,520
Like tracks like this makes a 
boy crazy and stuff. 

652
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,680
Should have been the album. 
Yeah, however, I think it would 

653
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:41,480
have, again, it would have been 
so one note to have started with

654
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:47,320
Freedom done just tracks that 
were like, boy, crazy red flag, 

655
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:53,440
like, you know, those, and then 
sandwiched it with Cathedral 

656
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,960
right at the end. 
Like I think again, there's like

657
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:01,040
more ballady slow moments kind 
of tie together Freedom and 

658
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,120
Cathedral, because Freedom and 
Cathedral are real high points 

659
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,800
in this album as like a open and
closer. 

660
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:13,280
Great. 
Yeah, but that I'm now trying to

661
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:17,200
avoid the word fella, but it 
just feels like these songs that

662
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,360
I meant to be tying are just 
fella. 

663
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,480
Like, it's just like, I don't 
want to do. 

664
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,000
Like. 
It's almost like she felt that 

665
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:29,680
she lacked the capacity to make 
more songs similar to, like, the

666
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:34,520
idea without just fully copying 
them. 

667
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,720
So that's why she did these, 
like, filler tracks. 

668
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:42,920
Yeah. 
It's, it's really unfortunate 

669
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:44,840
because, yeah, open and close 
with this album are, like, 

670
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,440
perfect. 
And then it's like a few 

671
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:52,400
sprinkles of songs that like are
good, but they just get lost 

672
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:58,520
amongst whatever the rest. 
Is see, I but I like what the 

673
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,560
rest is. 
Yeah, most of the time. 

674
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:04,080
Like I think it's still good. 
I think because I'm such an 

675
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,760
album person, if there's more 
misses than there are hits, it 

676
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:12,000
ruins the whole thing. 
I wouldn't necessarily agree 

677
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:17,400
there are more misses than there
are hits because because I think

678
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,280
at the end of the day, what 
makes the song successful? 

679
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:24,760
I mean, it's different from 
person to person. 

680
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,120
Exactly, like there's no 
grading. 

681
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:33,360
I think a larger narrative on an
album can make a single song 

682
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,680
successful. 
I think a single songs can make 

683
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,160
a narrative and an album 
successful. 

684
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:43,880
So it's kind of this like catch 
22 of how do you even decide 

685
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,440
that one is happening over the 
other? 

686
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:52,720
It's wait, what do you mean? 
So like, how, if, what, what 

687
00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:57,240
even predicates whether a song? 
Like, if a song can be 

688
00:43:57,240 --> 00:44:00,920
successful because an album 
narrative is successful, and 

689
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,520
then a narrative album can be 
successful because a song's 

690
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,240
successful. 
Like, is it? 

691
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,040
Did the chicken or the egg come 
first? 

692
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:13,200
I I feel like I just hold them 
as two different like writings 

693
00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:16,520
or categories like so. 
Do you think an album full of 

694
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:21,240
bad songs can be a good album? 
No. 

695
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,200
Do you think an album of good 
songs is always a good album? 

696
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,800
I'm just trying to think of like
albums that I'm like, these are 

697
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,120
all good songs. 
These are but an album full of 

698
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:36,400
good songs doesn't necessarily 
tell like a good story together.

699
00:44:37,240 --> 00:44:39,240
But does that make it not a good
album? 

700
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,920
I'm just trying to think if I 
have an album that I can apply 

701
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,680
that to, but I don't think I 
can. 

702
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,560
Yeah, it's kind of, it's more of
a philosophical question really.

703
00:44:53,720 --> 00:44:59,400
But like, again, in my opinion, 
you know, not all of these songs

704
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:07,800
are done particularly 
exceedingly well, but I think 

705
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,360
they all have their place and 
they all work towards the same 

706
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,280
goal in terms of what the album 
is. 

707
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,760
And I think the album is 62 as a
whole. 

708
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,760
OK. 
But again, if your argument is 

709
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,240
like, Oh well, there are more 
misses than there are hits, then

710
00:45:23,240 --> 00:45:26,960
like is it OK? 
Is it the songs that make an an 

711
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,320
album, or is it the album that 
makes songs you? 

712
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,040
Know, I think, yeah, I think 
what I'm saying like misses is 

713
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,120
it's like we're hitting gaps and
stuff where it's like, what does

714
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,880
this mean to me? 
It means nothing. 

715
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,840
It's not adding anything. 
And because there's all these 

716
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,960
like holes within the album, 
it's like it ruins the listening

717
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,000
experience. 
I don't know, I think it I might

718
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:52,280
just have like a deeper relation
to exactly what she's talking 

719
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,320
about. 
I'm like, Mama, I got it. 

720
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,560
And I'm not saying that people 
who listened didn't like it, 

721
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,440
didn't get it, but I got it. 
Yeah, I mean, that's fair. 

722
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:09,000
Like I to me the meaning and 
stuff is super vague that I feel

723
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:13,360
like it's super easy to slap a 
meaning onto it. 

724
00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:21,280
Yeah, I, I just. 
But I also think a lot of the 

725
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:26,640
time, especially with music 
nowadays, we kind of are Privy 

726
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:30,080
to a lot of like interviews 
about songs and stuff which give

727
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,680
us a deeper understanding and a 
different perspective about it. 

728
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:39,040
So I think like, without that 
context, because again, Kisha is

729
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,880
an independent artist and she's 
not getting pushed in the same 

730
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:46,200
way that some other artists are,
we're not getting that same 

731
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,600
context. 
You know, like, we've listened 

732
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:53,520
to Gaga in extent, talk about 
Mayhem. 

733
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,080
We've listened to Lord talk 
about Virgin, we've listened to 

734
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:02,960
Addison talk about Addison, but 
we've listened to them talk 

735
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:07,000
about it, which, like, you know,
educate us more and made us 

736
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,320
think about the album more and 
made us understand what exactly 

737
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:14,720
they were trying to do more. 
And like, we just haven't got 

738
00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:17,360
that with Ke$ha. 
Yeah, but it's because she went 

739
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,320
straight to touring. 
Yeah, I mean, I would be very 

740
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:27,200
interested to see her, I guess 
talk about the album like I'm 

741
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,600
awful that like I hate when 
people are like I should speak 

742
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:34,920
for itself because I just not 
everyone has like that high 

743
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,480
level critical thinking. 
Like sometimes I do need a 

744
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:42,400
little bit of like explanation 
because I'm not saying my 

745
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,360
opinions the right one or it's. 
Oh, for sure. 

746
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:51,520
Or it's intelligent or anything,
because for all could be, I 

747
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:56,280
could just be missing the point 
because I mean, that's another 

748
00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:01,560
thing like what is what exactly 
is period is And it feels so 

749
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,720
vague. 
See, again, to me, it's I feel 

750
00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:08,720
like you're taking the average 
of all these songs right where 

751
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:13,640
there are like, you know, high 
points of like crazy freedom 

752
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,120
moments like boy crazy, like 
Reclag, where she's like, whoa, 

753
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,640
I'm single again. 
And then there are moments where

754
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,680
she's like, oh, I'm longing for 
this love. 

755
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,160
And then there are moments of 
her being like a pity bitch and 

756
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,240
being like, well, you suck and I
hate you. 

757
00:48:27,240 --> 00:48:30,840
I'm glad we broke up. 
Yeah, like I think the average 

758
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,400
of that kind of nullifies each 
other and averages out to 

759
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:38,320
nothing. 
But the clear points give like 

760
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:44,800
to me, a really strong structure
of exactly the ups and downs, 

761
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,280
the kind of cyclic cycle of this
narrative. 

762
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:51,360
I feel like someone should have 
explained to Ke$ha what a 

763
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:56,400
mixtape is 'cause this could 
this would be a decent mixtape 

764
00:48:58,720 --> 00:49:01,600
'cause yeah like you just you 
don't really have to like tell a

765
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:05,200
story or anything. 
Or even like maybe a three EP 

766
00:49:05,240 --> 00:49:10,600
run where like they are sisters 
and one's all about like being 

767
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:15,120
single party girl and then one's
about like lamenting A breakup 

768
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,840
and then one's like this really 
vicious pity out EP. 

769
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,040
I think just because Cash has 
gone from, you know, a record 

770
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:26,800
deal and album after album and 
albums are a body of work you 

771
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,720
sell. 
I think she just, she thought 

772
00:49:29,720 --> 00:49:33,080
she had to do an album. 
Yeah, and I certainly do 

773
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,640
understand that. 
Like as an independent artist, 

774
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,840
she wanted something out that 
her fans could buy and that 

775
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,400
would then support her. 
Yeah, no, for sure. 

776
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:47,720
But yeah, it's just, it's just 
unfortunate. 

777
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,280
Yes. 
But I certainly do get the vibe 

778
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,200
that just based on our 
conversations, this is going to 

779
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,840
be our first time where we give 
a severely different rating. 

780
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:58,680
Yeah, but I I did think of a fun
little idea. 

781
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:03,360
I think it would be fun to pick 
5 tracks out of this album for 

782
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,720
an EP because I feel like this. 
Could be if we were only doing 1

783
00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:12,440
EP. 1 EP, 5 tracks. 
OK, Oh God, here we go. 

784
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:20,040
Well, OK, hold on. 
Before we do this, Yeah, I want 

785
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:24,760
to give a quick shout out to, I 
think it was a week after the 

786
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:26,400
album came out. 
Or was it right after that came 

787
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:27,280
out? 
I honestly felt like it. 

788
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,960
Was like a day or two. 
No, it it wasn't the full 

789
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:32,560
deluxe. 
That was a day or two. 

790
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,280
It might have been a week or 
like less than a week. 

791
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:40,440
Ke$ha released attention. 
Oh no attention was. 

792
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:42,840
I feel like it was the same week
or even before. 

793
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,920
Was it before? 
It might have been just before 

794
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:51,280
'cause I. 
During the time it was during 

795
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:52,920
album roll. 
Out during album roll out 

796
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,880
because I remember when I got 
around to actually listening to 

797
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:57,800
it in full, I was like, where's 
attention? 

798
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:06,040
Yeah, this this song was a 
really interesting track for me.

799
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:13,120
Like production wise, kind of 
it's a giving a bit of for 

800
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:17,960
Frankenstein in the sense of 
like too many cooks in the 

801
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,480
kitchen. 
You get a verse, you get a 

802
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:24,080
verse, you get a verse. 
Yeah, but I think it comes out 

803
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,800
successfully. 
I really liked Attention. 

804
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:31,880
I liked it but Ke$ha gets eaten 
up on her own song. 

805
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,240
I this is. 
I thought it was a slider song. 

806
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,600
This is like, I feel like one of
those moments where artist has 

807
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:42,280
gone to another artist. 
Man, I like your sound. 

808
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,480
I like what you do. 
I want to make what you do. 

809
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:48,160
Yeah. 
Honestly, I feel like Slater 

810
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,160
kind of eats up everyone in any 
sort of song she does. 

811
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:56,360
See, I think, I think Slater 
came on this track mad as hell. 

812
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:01,560
Not mad as hell at obviously 
Ke$ha, but being like, oh I get 

813
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,080
to be honest, I'm with Ke$ha, 
I've got to bring my A game. 

814
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,280
And I think that. 
It kind of blew the whole thing 

815
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,040
out of the water. 
Yeah, I think that's a common 

816
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:11,120
thing with Slater because like, 
you think of her remix on Click 

817
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:14,760
with Charlie where she is pretty
much screaming like. 

818
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,600
She just brings such an energy 
to her music. 

819
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:22,760
Like, and I get it, like you 
literally came from nothing and 

820
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,480
you are such a small artist and 
his big names are like, I want 

821
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,920
you on a song. 
You are going to give it 110%. 

822
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,480
I will say though, like as much 
as I'm like, I thought the 

823
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,560
Slider song, you can't really 
take Ke$ha out of it because 

824
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:41,840
Ke$ha's chorus kind of makes the
song, you know, belting. 

825
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,040
I to be honest, I don't know who
Rose Grey is. 

826
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:48,920
It's fun. 
When she comes on, I'm like, Oh 

827
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,120
yeah. 
But yeah, I was like, who is 

828
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:55,440
this? 
I think it's almost, I don't 

829
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,440
want to say it's Ke$ha reheating
her own nachos, but Ke$ha is so 

830
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:03,080
good on someone else's song, a 
song like Timber. 

831
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:07,320
You know, she's had such 
successful moments like that. 

832
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:11,480
We're almost feel she pushes 
herself into that role on the 

833
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:15,320
song where like her chorus and 
the strength in her voice and 

834
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,600
her lyrics in the chorus really 
drives the ship. 

835
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:23,760
That is like she's the engine of
the ship and then Slater is the 

836
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,720
one driving. 
Yeah, like because I have made 

837
00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:29,520
songs before where? 
I am the captain, no. 

838
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:34,720
I like it's more feature focus, 
like you admire this person you 

839
00:53:34,720 --> 00:53:37,600
like to craft and you just want 
them on a song. 

840
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:41,360
And this is, it's kind of giving
that like, I mean, Ke$ha's verse

841
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:45,240
is pretty lacklustre. 
I think this is kind of a sign 

842
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,280
of Ke$ha adopting Slater as her 
daughter. 

843
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:53,520
Like I can easily say Ke$ha had 
ripped the chorus and everything

844
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,760
and it was pretty much the bones
of it, and she couldn't do three

845
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:58,200
other features because it's a 
bit crazy. 

846
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,360
So she's like, oh, I guess I'll 
do this. 1st I'll do it first. 

847
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:05,000
But yeah, no, I yeah, I don't 
think. 

848
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:06,760
What's her name? 
Bruce Gray. 

849
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:10,960
Bruce Gray needed to be on this.
Yeah, I could have. 

850
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,640
Done a little back-to-back with 
cash insulator going off. 

851
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,600
Yeah, I'm I'm unfamiliar with 
Miss Gray's work also. 

852
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:23,560
I have no idea who that is. 
At first I thought it was Skylar

853
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:25,520
Grey. 
Who even is there? 

854
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:29,520
Oh. 
My gosh, at first I thought it 

855
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,120
was Skylar Grey. 
And I was like, wait, Skylar 

856
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:34,000
Grey's not British? 
And I thought it was pink 

857
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,040
Panthras. 
And then I looked again, I was 

858
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:37,840
like, Oh no, it was grey. 
It's Rose grey. 

859
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:39,920
I don't know who that is. 
Because I think when like like I

860
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,400
might be Spotify. 
Knock, knock, who's there? 

861
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,000
Yeah, like when you're playing a
song on Spotify, it doesn't all 

862
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:46,720
load out. 
So I'm like, OK, it's cashing 

863
00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:48,120
Slater. 
And then it gets to her. 

864
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:52,360
I'm like, who the fuck is this? 
But yeah, it's not like bad, 

865
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:56,160
it's just not really needed. 
I mean, it certainly brings a 

866
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:59,960
different vibe because I feel 
like, again, in the chorus, 

867
00:54:59,960 --> 00:55:02,880
Ke$ha's like, really got the 
power behind it. 

868
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,200
Yeah. 
And then Slater's bringing such 

869
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,280
an energy of like, party girl 
vibes. 

870
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:09,600
Rose gracious in the corner like
nothing. 

871
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:15,320
Yeah, like it's, it's a song 
about grabbing your attention 

872
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,560
and it's this girl. 
Who's there like? 

873
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:19,440
Go away, girl, girl. 
Ring the doorbell. 

874
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:25,240
Break the These are the Ke$ha 
and Rose, Ke$ha and Slater, and 

875
00:55:25,240 --> 00:55:28,320
they're busting down the door. 
Banging the shit out of. 

876
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,120
Groceries. 
They're like knock knock who's? 

877
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:34,280
There, yeah, but I mean nice 
vocals. 

878
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:35,640
Yeah. 
Nice vocals. 

879
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:39,680
Gorgeous. 
I think and yeah, we got into 

880
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:43,400
deluxe. 
I'll be honest, I haven't really

881
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,240
heard the deluxe. 
I do. 

882
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:49,760
I will say her remix with Jade 
Elevated Boy crazy. 

883
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:53,040
Yeah. 
Like I think I'm trying to push 

884
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:57,120
theirs though. 
See, I don't think that's as 

885
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,400
successful. 
As boy crazy. 

886
00:55:59,720 --> 00:56:01,600
Yeah. 
The Jade version, yeah. 

887
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,360
I don't I don't like Jade's. 
I mean, I don't think this album

888
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:09,720
is successful full stop. 
But yeah, we get it. 

889
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,960
But I, I, I don't know, I just 
like this like. 

890
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:17,600
More I think no it's not the 
only 5 smash remix like her 

891
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,160
verse on it I'm. 
Just I do think her quote is it 

892
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:21,840
fame top. 
Yeah. 

893
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:28,640
What do you mean girl? 
I I like how she opens it, she 

894
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,720
says. 
Brisbane to London boys are my 

895
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:32,920
Jager bomb. 
Yeah, no. 

896
00:56:33,720 --> 00:56:36,560
Like the songwriting was a bit 
shit, but her delivery of it was

897
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:39,360
really well. 
Done Countryside and the Bond 

898
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:40,680
City boys. 
Big job. 

899
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:41,240
What? 
What? 

900
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,160
What? 
It's a city boy with a big job. 

901
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,240
It's not about the size, it's 
how you use it. 

902
00:56:49,240 --> 00:56:51,160
They can turn me on. 
Slay. 

903
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,240
So when you're gonna turn me on,
motherfucker? 

904
00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:55,360
Are you dumb? 
Yeah. 

905
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:59,240
Huh. 
Like it gives me cash is like I 

906
00:56:59,240 --> 00:57:03,840
want you want to remix my albums
out tomorrow though so does need

907
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:07,120
to be in. 
Yes, because yeah, immediately 

908
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:11,400
after the Jagerbomb line she 
goes let me be your femme top. 

909
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,200
Giddy up now. 
I'm a Dom. 

910
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:16,400
Like what? 
Huh. 

911
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,360
I'm pretty sure she said that 
she wrote this in like 20 

912
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,160
minutes or something. 
I. 

913
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,040
Believe I need artist to stop 
doing that. 

914
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:25,720
Yeah, like I I don't think we 
need 20 minutes to write this. 

915
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:30,080
Like bitch, I know Ke$ha did not
like what did she FaceTime you 

916
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:33,080
and go hey, can you can you do 
this first for me? 

917
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:36,520
I need it by tonight. 
I feel like it was. 

918
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,440
I. 
I feel I genuinely feel like the

919
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:43,360
album was soon to be out and 
Ke$ha's like I'm doing a deluxe.

920
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:48,400
Like I don't have enough to go 
on this deluxe which also 

921
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,560
brings. 
Me to the next point about the 

922
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:55,040
deluxe, which is well, it 
features the again, the T pain 

923
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,280
version. 
It features the jade version. 

924
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:04,400
It features obviously attention.
There's another single on it 

925
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:08,520
that's trash man which again 
hits that same like you know, 

926
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:10,840
being angry and pity at your ex 
or whatever. 

927
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:16,840
But there are a few remixes on 
here. 

928
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:25,360
DP Kaye gets 2 remixes, 1 
featuring AG AG Cook, Slay and 

929
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,120
then Boy Crazy also gets an only
fire remix. 

930
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:36,440
And something tells me that 
Ke$ha was like I'm getting only 

931
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:42,440
fire for a remix. 
Jay, can you do me a a verse for

932
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,120
for boy crazy as well? 
Yeah. 

933
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:50,520
And Jade went, oh, I've got no 
idea who only fires went and 

934
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:52,440
listened to them and went, Oh my
God, Christ. 

935
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:55,800
Jesus Christ. 
That's why she had to throw in 

936
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,440
the I'm giddy up now. 
I'm your dog. 

937
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:00,240
Yeah. 
Like she thought it was about to

938
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:05,480
be plastered with vulgarity. 
Yeah. 

939
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:08,560
And it came out and she was 
like, oh, it's a different one. 

940
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,040
We're on different ones. 
Maybe if Ke$ha developed a 

941
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:15,280
deluxe bit better. 
This deluxe doesn't add anything

942
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:19,920
to her. 
I mean it's like it's OK. 

943
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:25,000
Like again, the T pain version, 
cute, the jade version cute. 

944
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:28,520
Attention super successor. 
Wish it was on the album. 

945
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:30,120
Yeah, honestly, it should have 
been it. 

946
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,760
Should have been. 
I, it, it gives me the vibe that

947
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:36,120
it wasn't meant to be, but cash 
is like, well, this is doing 

948
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:38,720
well deluxe. 
But she was. 

949
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,240
It was also the single for the 
deluxe, no? 

950
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,160
I don't think it was. 
I'm pretty sure the song came 

951
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:46,720
out before the album. 
I'll I'll check. 

952
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:49,160
Yeah, two weeks before the 
album. 

953
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:51,400
That's crazy. 
Yeah. 

954
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:54,560
That's why it's giving the vibe 
that it's like, the song's 

955
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:57,720
actually like, well received. 
Let's just like on deluxe. 

956
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:00,560
And it's like, especially like 
people don't even stop doing 

957
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:03,920
deluxes straight after their 
album because it kind of just 

958
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:07,360
ruins the project you're 
selling. 

959
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,000
Yeah. 
I don't know. 

960
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,800
I also think like the state of 
the music industry at the moment

961
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:16,160
with people selling different 
versions with different tracks 

962
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:21,080
on it. 
Like like if you're if you're 

963
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:25,040
gonna release deluxe with all 
the different of all of those 

964
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:29,160
different tracks on it and then 
all of those tracks make sense 

965
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:34,080
with the album. 
I get it, but I don't understand

966
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:36,080
the deluxe craze. 
It's. 

967
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:38,480
Just like over. 
What's that overconsumption? 

968
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:42,680
Like you can wait a bit. 
Like, I mean, all the big 

969
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,520
successful artists do it, you 
know, they wait a bit, I mean, 

970
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:49,960
and then it's refreshing. 
Remember the last big like 

971
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:53,560
deluxe? 
Because even Brett the deluxe 

972
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:55,880
didn't really pop off. 
It was the remix album that 

973
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:59,360
really. 
But even the remix album is kind

974
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:04,040
of considered a deluxe in terms 
of commercial because like I 

975
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:07,240
guess the songs are added to the
album so all the stream counts 

976
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:12,800
as totalled, the sales points 
totalled like it's considered a 

977
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:15,920
different variant of the album. 
Not that I compare everyone to 

978
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:19,640
Taylor Swift, but like I think 
back to Taylor Swift, I'm like 

979
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:23,840
1999 didn't have deluxe. 
It did. 

980
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:26,120
Yeah, but I only had voice 
notes, didn't it? 

981
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:27,360
And then? 
An extra song. 

982
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:30,640
New Romantics. 
Yeah, because. 

983
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:35,800
We go from plane and then we go 
Wonderland and New Romantics, 

984
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:37,840
because I think New Romantics 
might have been like the same. 

985
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,560
Was it a single? 
Yeah, yeah, it was like the 

986
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:43,640
single for the deluxe. 
I'm pretty sure that's the only.

987
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:47,120
Story song in deluxe but I know 
it's definitely New Romantics 

988
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:49,800
and Wonderland. 
Yeah. 

989
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:54,320
Well, Deluxe has made sense back
then because it was like, here's

990
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:55,840
another version of the album you
can buy to give me. 

991
01:01:55,840 --> 01:02:01,240
Another reputation. 
I think that was beginning of 

992
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:04,720
streaming era like nowadays 
Deluxe's don't really well. 

993
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:08,800
I only count if you wait a bit 
to then boost it up again. 

994
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:11,760
Yeah, I don't. 
Because at at the moment it's 

995
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:15,200
just kind of like a few more 
sales points, I mean, streaming 

996
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:20,480
points, especially someone like 
Ke$ha, when it's like you are 

997
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,000
independent artists, you're not 
really going to chat, which is 

998
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:24,600
fear. 
Like independent artists don't 

999
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:31,520
just wait a bit. 
Yeah, it's, it's just too much 

1000
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:34,040
at a given time. 
Yeah. 

1001
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:40,080
Especially if it's just remixes.
Yeah, confusing marketing 

1002
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:43,800
decisions, but you know, I'm 
happy that she can do what she 

1003
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:45,080
wants without her labels 
pressure. 

1004
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:50,520
Yeah. 
Yeah, I mean, like I said, I I 

1005
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:53,360
give her her flowers. 
I'm glad she's, you know, in her

1006
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:56,600
own creative direction. 
Yes, has full control. 

1007
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:02,080
I must have to see what she does
next on the back of this. 

1008
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:06,240
I I, I do think there was that 
aspect of like it was always 

1009
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:10,120
going to be such a anticipated 
first album as an independent 

1010
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:16,760
artist. 
But yeah, OK, so back to the EP 

1011
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:18,080
exercise. 
We almost forgot about it. 

1012
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:23,440
We you can go first. 
OK. 

1013
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:29,160
I think open freedom, I think, 
you know, it's a really good 

1014
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:30,920
tone setter or that blah, blah, 
blah. 

1015
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:36,560
If I could, let's produce a 
minute of that address. 

1016
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:40,680
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Just because it is an EP and it 

1017
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:42,800
doesn't need the grandness if 
it's not a full album. 

1018
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:44,600
Yeah, like Freedom's my first 
one as well. 

1019
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:48,520
Maybe 20 seconds of N chart 
like. 20 Oh yeah, I can see 

1020
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:49,760
that. 
Yeah, just a little N chart 

1021
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:51,440
because then it's like, Oh yeah.
But yeah. 

1022
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:57,200
Right. 
And then I think joyride. 

1023
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:00,560
Mine's the same, yeah. 
'Cause I think the freedom to 

1024
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:02,840
draw, it's actually really like 
fun. 

1025
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:04,840
Yeah, it makes sense to me as 
well. 

1026
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:12,440
Then oh, hold on do. 
You want me to do mine 'cause 

1027
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,440
I've got mine full. 
I think, no, I've got, I think 

1028
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:19,960
red flag. 
Yeah, boy, crazy. 

1029
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:23,000
Yeah. 
Attention. 

1030
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:29,720
No cathedral. 
You're still hanging with 

1031
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:31,720
Cathedral. 
It's really good. 

1032
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:35,760
Yeah, but you, you still want 
Cathedral to end that album. 

1033
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:41,600
I don't think Cathedral and 
Freedom have a place if the 

1034
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:44,560
other three songs are Joyride 
Peg. 

1035
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:47,280
I I can agree attention of being
a closer. 

1036
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:49,760
I feel like it's a little 
similar messaging and like. 

1037
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:53,600
Wait, So what are your songs? 
Literally the same, but 

1038
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:57,400
cathedral instead of attention. 
So say your songs, because 

1039
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:01,760
what's freedom? 
AET as freedom into joyride into

1040
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:04,960
red flag into boy crazy into 
cathedral. 

1041
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:06,960
OK. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1042
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:10,040
Again, I just don't think 
Cathedral has the same impact if

1043
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:16,840
we haven't had those like slow, 
like recompensive moments. 

1044
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:19,800
Yeah. 
I would like Cathedral to have a

1045
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:24,720
longer outro like that explosive
outro could have been a bit 

1046
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:28,880
longer and instead of the piano 
outro that was, I didn't really 

1047
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:35,800
get the point of that. 
But yeah, it's yeah, I feel, But

1048
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:38,960
I do agree, I feel like 
Cathedral and attention, I don't

1049
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:42,080
know the word. 
I don't want to say similar 

1050
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:44,360
messaging, different font 
because I feel like it's way 

1051
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:48,880
different font, but it is that 
sort of same messaging of like 

1052
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:53,880
what's weird like self self 
praise. 

1053
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:55,800
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1054
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:59,320
So I definitely see attention, 
yeah, being an answer to that. 

1055
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:02,680
Yeah, just cause. 
Yeah, I think Freedom and 

1056
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:06,960
Cathedral work really well as 
bookends, but if the story in 

1057
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:12,240
the middle is just like that 
hyper pop influence party girl 

1058
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:15,720
song, it doesn't make sense to 
have those two as the bookends. 

1059
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:17,280
But attention's not on the 
album. 

1060
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:22,200
Oh my God, sorry you're a 
stickler for the rules this is. 

1061
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:26,400
The album she presented. 
But it came out two weeks before

1062
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:28,520
the album. 
And it wasn't on the album, 

1063
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:31,520
sorry. 
Well, yeah, I think if it was on

1064
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:35,320
the album, I would put it on the
EPI would put it on the album. 

1065
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:36,440
It should have been there. 
What? 

1066
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:39,640
Did you do as another EP that 
flop? 

1067
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:47,160
Shut up for our next segment, 
we'll be ranking this album at 

1068
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:52,280
our lowest tier. 
We've got jobless, the Next up 

1069
01:06:52,280 --> 01:07:01,640
staff meeting next tier staff to
that casual contract then 

1070
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:06,360
employed and at our top tier we 
have promoted. 

1071
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:09,120
So what are? 
We ranking this hour, Maria. 

1072
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:14,560
Look, I think if if nothing else
is established that we're giving

1073
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:18,840
it different ranking. 
Unfortunately, unfortunately, 

1074
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:20,680
unfortunately, it'll be 
different rankings. 

1075
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:27,200
It I think it for sure will be, 
but I think, well, I think this 

1076
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:32,200
exemplifies the fact that we 
have a distinct, distinct, 

1077
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:39,280
distinct perspective on music. 
Quite honestly, I want to give 

1078
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:45,000
this an employed, I want to give
period unemployed. 

1079
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:47,560
I completely understand your 
criticisms of it. 

1080
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:50,440
I do not share the same 
criticisms. 

1081
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:55,760
I I understand at least I 
interpreted it as a really like 

1082
01:07:55,760 --> 01:08:00,200
clear narrative of like the ups 
and downs, like the cycle of 

1083
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:04,120
emotions post breakup. 
And again, I don't know if you 

1084
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:07,080
didn't know she went through a 
breakup or if like, you simply 

1085
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:09,680
don't care, but I think. 
Everyone does though. 

1086
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:17,640
But like I, I got it, you know? 
Yeah, unfortunately I have 

1087
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:23,240
written up an e-mail to invite 
Ke$ha to a staff meeting. 

1088
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:31,479
It's not jobless. 
Like, I don't hate it, but it's 

1089
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:33,800
like, come on, Ke$ha and. 
You know what, Ke$ha? 

1090
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:36,720
If you need a support person for
this meeting, I'll be there. 

1091
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:38,000
You. 
You do get a support person 

1092
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:39,800
Ke$ha. 
It's legal. 

1093
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:42,439
It's required. 
Required. 

1094
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:43,279
Required. 
It's crazy. 

1095
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:45,439
You're going to need someone 
there. 

1096
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:47,040
You're going to need to hear 
this. 

1097
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:51,880
Yeah. 
Like I, I feel like, yeah, like 

1098
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:57,200
contextually, like I want to 
have a meeting with her about 

1099
01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:00,040
the performance, what's going 
on, like. 

1100
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:05,240
I think, I think the newness and
the freshness of this album, 

1101
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:09,800
kind of those two. 
Words I would not use for this. 

1102
01:09:10,359 --> 01:09:12,600
Album, I'm in the country. 
What I'm about to say you'll 

1103
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:17,760
understand, but I think the 
nostalgia of like Animal and 

1104
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:21,640
Cannibal kind of colour those 
albums in a particular way. 

1105
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:25,160
But I think if you, if we 
actually went back and looked at

1106
01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:30,200
those albums, we'd find similar,
if not the same issues and like,

1107
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:33,840
inconsistency with narrative and
like, you know, like they're a 

1108
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:37,520
slow moment. 
I feel like backstabber is like 

1109
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:40,279
clever and it's campy. 
See. 

1110
01:09:40,279 --> 01:09:45,560
But you understand that to be 
campy because you think that 

1111
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:49,160
era, she was aware of it. 
But now, now that it's new 

1112
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:51,319
Ke$ha, you're like, yeah, but is
she aware of it? 

1113
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:54,320
Is she trying to be campy? 
I feel like she's like, I want 

1114
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:56,520
to do what I did and it's like, 
well, you're not going to do 

1115
01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:58,280
what you did because you're not 
there. 

1116
01:09:58,280 --> 01:09:59,840
You don't think you're all 
anymore. 

1117
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:01,080
Well, I've been. 
I've been to that thing now. 

1118
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:04,360
See, but exactly like you're 
holding her to a different 

1119
01:10:04,440 --> 01:10:07,320
standard now. 
Because she has been that girl. 

1120
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:11,280
15 years, Yes, maybe. 
Maybe 14. 

1121
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:13,920
Was it 2011 or 10? 
Oh my God. 

1122
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:16,600
I don't know. 
Too old. 

1123
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:19,360
Yeah, no, I would just like to 
have a talk with her, say if 

1124
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:23,160
there's any reasons for why her 
work performance has been 

1125
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:27,160
affected. 
Yeah, she's not been fired. 

1126
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:31,440
Well, Ke$ha, look, if for some 
reason you or a little gay 

1127
01:10:31,440 --> 01:10:34,040
intern you've hired is 
listening, I love you. 

1128
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:38,480
If you ever come to New Zealand 
or Australia, I'd open for you. 

1129
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:42,120
We can put a restraining order 
on King X. 

1130
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:46,080
Yeah. 
I mean, yeah, she's still 

1131
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:49,680
employed, but there needs to 
some words, some words need to 

1132
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:52,920
be had. 
Thank you so much for tuning 

1133
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:55,200
into jobless behavior. 
When I keep up to date with 

1134
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:56,640
everything going on at the 
office. 

1135
01:10:57,040 --> 01:10:59,880
You can follow us on TikTok and 
Instagram at Jobless Behavior 

1136
01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:00,600
PC.