I hear your heart. I need to Kyodo Kota Tamarikumar
and welcome back to jobless behaviour.
My name is Maria Richmond. And my name is King Axel.
Hi, Axel. Hi.
How are we doing today? We're doing good, a little sick
but. Oh.
Oh, how terrible, how terrible, how terrible.
Well, prepare to be sick of me bitch cause welcome to a jobless
behaviour subsection which is called Maria Defence Fun pop
music. Today we'll be discussing the
long anticipated. Go on, go on.
Yeah. Yeah, the long anticipated debut
of Ke$ha as an independent artist.
Yes, we're talking period, period.
Yep, period, full stop. Whatever.
Yeah, yeah. It's just.
OK, well firstly, to give a bit of context, this is Ke$ha's
first album post Doctor Luke Contract.
Yeah, post gag order, some would say.
Yeah, look, let let's start with our thoughts on Ke$ha as a whole
before we get into this album. Are you a animal?
I'm an animal. You're an animal.
Oops. Honey, I'm an animal deluxe.
Cannibal, Cannibal no you. I did like your debut album.
I think it was a little late to it.
I 'cause I think I bought the CD like 2 years after it was
released or something. It was on sale and I was like,
well, I have $10, let me buy this album and I really did
enjoy it. I'll be OK.
I'll be very, very honest. I don't think I am that much of
A Kasha stand. Wow, big swing.
Big swing I. Isn't I'm going to take a big
swing on you right now. I can appreciate her place in
pop music. She is a good songwriter at.
At the top of the throne, that's what you're saying.
Her place. No, like, she's a good vocalist,
she's a good songwriter. That's pretty much it for me on
her. Like, I don't feel like there's
a lot there. What is like Keisha as a whole?
Yeah. Listen, speaking as someone who
has an affliction for fun pop music, I I've spoken to Mr. King
Axel over here many times about this metaphor I like to use,
which is the sugary cereal metaphor, right?
Can you please explain it? Because I remember when you
tried to with me, it took probably half an hour for me to
be like, oh, that was. Very late in the night, shall
we? Say sometimes Maria has a
metaphor that it takes a bit of work to fully understand.
Or I'm dumb. So this metaphor is like music
as a vehicle of like food nutrition, right?
What do you start the day with? Breakfast.
OK, so think of like some a good piece of music as something like
nutritional, like gives you energy, something to really
start your day. And then the kind of music that
I enjoy is like, not necessarily the most nutritious.
Perhaps you don't want to start your day with a whole bunch of
sugar, but you love it. So think of like, FK twigs is
like wheat begs. OK, stock, standard, classic
breakfast. Everyone grew up having some
wheat begs. I myself, I like a bit of colory
gypsum. I think she's a bit of like,
honey pops. Yeah.
Honey pops. Yeah.
Like something a little more sugary.
Yeah. A little bit like, you know,
potentially not as good. Yeah.
For you, Yeah. But so sweet still, like.
Yeah. And then, like Ke$ha, relating
it back to this is like Lucky Charms.
Like, why is there marshmallow in my cereal?
I love it. Yeah, that is way more clear
than I. Remember it, babe?
Yeah, that's that's exactly how I explained it last time.
Basically. Yeah.
I don't know. It was late in the night.
Maybe it's because I know it now.
So yes, that's Maria, Yes. Yeah.
So what were you saying about Ke$ha?
I'm Ke$ha. Look, the music might not be
amazing, but I love it. I love it.
It's so sugary, like it is, you know how like I, I don't know if
you ever did this as a kid, but instead of putting like sugar on
your, what do they call them? Rice pops Rice pops rice.
Crispy. Whatever.
Crispy. Oh yeah.
Snap, Crackle, pop, those guys but still putting sugar on it.
You put Milo and it makes like Coco pops.
Yeah, basically doing that. I loved it, no.
I don't like that. Loved it, yeah.
No. Well, that's the thing.
Like I can like I listen to Animal and the deluxe Cannibal
and it's like, I do think your songwriting is really good.
Like production is really good and I just don't know why within
the past few years it's just not working the same.
I mean I think there are multiple, multiple kind of
reasons and you know, cause and effects here.
Not to get too much into like the legal proceedings and lore
of it all, but I think Kisha had a turning point post legal
battles where she had, I don't even remember what the album's
called there, I'm blinking, but Rainbow, Rainbow, Yeah, Rainbow
where she like, had praying. And the perception on Ke$ha kind
of shifted from this like trashy party girl that everyone was a
kind of shit on to like oh wow, this is like an artist.
Yeah, it's almost similar to like Gaga.
And I feel like it's similar in the sense that it's like this
huge brand change and like, like, I like Rainbow and Gag
Order. I'm High Road.
What was that other album? That yeah, the one.
Really was a flicker. It was.
That one was a bit crazy. Yeah, I like, I can't even
remember that one, but like I really liked her going in that
direction and it almost feels it just doesn't feel like her
anymore. Going back to the sound.
I can't have the same opinion about Gaga.
Like it's. Oh my God, it.
Doesn't like. It's almost like I it doesn't
seem like you want to be doing what you're doing.
OK, let's we, we're going to have to stop that right now
because we are going to have to have a separate conversation
about me here, but we will get back to that.
But yes, as it pertains to Ke$ha, I think again, there was
this kind of artistic shift where maybe Ke$ha didn't want to
like release a huge bop and have all the money go to the person
who's made a life fucking miserable.
So I think there was a shift in her music and I think her
dipping her toe back in the water of the fun pop that kind
of made her who she was. Key dollar sign.
Ha, I think you know, she's she's breaking the rust off the
bike. She's putting the training
wheels back on. Yeah, I don't know, like even
with her recent collapse, like with Charlie and like attention
with Slater and stuff, it doesn't like everyone's kind of
like, oh, we have the old cashier back and it's like, it
doesn't feel like that. It was like.
And I think that's what made me realise the whole Animal era and
Cash's debut and stuff. It's very off the time.
Yeah. And I just don't think.
I I don't necessarily think it's of the time.
I think Ke$ha set the tone of that time.
Yeah, like, in the same way. See, you might have been too
young to, like, really be cognizant of this set of the
world at the time, but Ke$ha was such a punching bag, like such a
massive punching bag. And.
But everyone knew her music, so to be put under that much of a
critical lens and microscope, whilst having such a huge reach,
I think certainly gives Stokes the flames of like, making a
really good influential pop star.
And yeah, it's kind of hard to talk about this dancing around
the whole. Youthical.
Professional puke. Wait, what?
I don't want to say Doctor Luke, but.
I'll say. Mr. Puke.
Yeah. I think that's like the
unfortunate situation of it all is that has kind of, I guess
like swallowed a lot of her career, that whole situation.
And as unfortunate as it is, it's kind of what's happened.
It's almost, I guess, yeah, overtaken her career.
And I hope, if nothing else, it's kind of sit and I don't
want to say example, but like a tone in younger artists, A,
reading their contracts properly and B, standing up for
themselves and like, you know, having good people around them.
Yeah, now for sure. And like, like I'll say right
now, I didn't like this album, but I'm glad to see Ke$ha doing
just whatever she wants and I can always appreciate that about
an artist. Though with that being said,
let's talk about period. Let's talk about period.
Period. First single joyride?
Yes. I think this was perfectly
exemplary of like a return to Ke$ha.
Yeah, I I wasn't crazy about joyride, but it felt authentic.
It was clever pop, interesting production, and it was
interesting since it felt fresh while also maintaining Ke$ha.
Yeah, I like the song. Like this is again Animal
cannibal Ke$ha with the lens of like the production that she's
been doing post rainbow. Yeah, yeah.
Like, yeah, like I said, old Ke$ha mixed with a more like
contemporary vibe. Yeah, yeah, I like the song.
I loved the song immediately, and I think we'd be remiss to
not talk about the cultural significance of Joyride fan Cam
video. Cam I kind of forgot about that
until recently. A significant promotion device
created by some fan just putting a bunch of crazy videos giving
the exact essence of the song and it went absolutely viral and
it's been tried to replicate since but just hasn't taken off
quite in the same way. But yeah it whenever I think of
Joyride, does Joyride have a music video?
It does, eh I. Think so, but it just reminded
me. It had that TikTok dance.
Yeah, there was this like little TikTok dance.
It was kind. Of cut to me and dragged during
that dance it. Was kind of a shit dance, but I
think it it was more so because it was Cash's debut single as an
independent. That is, you know, like
everyone's been rooting for her. I think it was just everyone was
trying to help her to help her get a good one.
I was, I was about to say everyone was trying to kill Katy
Perry. Yeah, Why?
No, I was going to say it was joy in the same time it was
Woman's World. I wasn't though.
No, but yeah. I can't remember the second
single though. Oh no, he's like, can.
No, it wasn't. It was.
No, it wasn't delusional. Oh, even worse.
You don't remember this. You don't remember this?
No. Well, OK, so I remember now
because that's where I checked out.
Yes, so delusional came out and she's I think the like intention
behind this was again to harken back, maybe not as far as like
animal cannibal, but kind of rainbow vibes of like a slow
down like ballady pop song. Again.
We must to not talk about the scandal of the single having AI
art on it, which has now been replaced.
She's made a full statement of being like.
I didn't understand the significance of what was
happening. I fully don't support AI art now
that I've, you know, educated myself and come to like
understand what it what it is. I also think it's really like it
shows a lot of humility for a pop star to roll back something
like that and go I was wrong. I've learned.
Yeah, exactly, because I felt like everyone kind of moved on
from it as well. So for her to bring the
attention back and be like, actually no, that was wrong, I
understand now and then like fix her like rhymes.
It was really cool to see. But Delusional has a song.
I like the verses. I like the songwriting.
The verses and the production sounded promising, but the
chorus kind of just leads to nothing.
Yeah, I mean, it's a one note vibe and not to say it's only
one note. Again, she's showing off a
little bit of her. She's flexing her vocal muscles.
She's not exactly using them, but she's flexing a little.
Oh, look at these. Yeah, I I didn't exactly vibe
with this one. As a general rule, I don't love
a pop ballad in the sense that it can't build like a pop song
and it can't build like a ballad.
So you can't be Céline Dion and Britney Spears.
Like, you just can't. There's no one in in the middle.
Even when Beyoncé can do both, she doesn't do both at the same
time. Yeah, this is.
It's just it's fella like. I don't necessarily think it's
filler, I think this is an important note in the larger
like context of what this album is and the story it tells.
Can't wait to get into that because I don't have a single
clue what the story is. Yes, yeah.
And then we go into Yuppie Kai. Yeah, I think so.
I'm struggling to remember now, but I I remember for sure.
Delusional was the second one. Yeah, no super Kyo Now what's
your thoughts? Bitch I just bought a brand new
car. I think it's for sure again.
I think reheating her the height I I don't even know if it's the
height. I would say it's an an attempted
return to Ke$ha in that I think it's reheating Timber's nachos a
little and I think she's trying to do a little bit of that,
Yeah, yeah. I like, I just, I think this
point I was really confused at a direction like these three songs
were pretty different from each other.
The song right on New Picaya is really bad.
The production's really bad. Her vocals are fun, yeah, so you
can make a catchy melody. Yeah, I think again, the
production and lyricism kind of reflects the vibe of the song.
Like again, that white trashy party vibe is reflected in the
like white trashy lyricism and the production, the like strip
back production kind of reflects like a lack of access, blah
blah, blah. You know, like I I understand
how it all fits together. Yeah.
Do I think it could be better? Sure.
Absolutely. Like she wait, did she?
She did she. She released it without T pain A
first. Or is it just for T pain?
I think it is just T pain. I can't remember solo.
Because the the actual version on the album is without T pain.
Oh. OK.
Wow, I actually can't remember. Not neither.
No. I think she released the
original version and then like a week later she released the
remix and the T Pain version. Yeah.
Well, T pain finally figured out his Instagram requests.
Do did you know? So he was he like streams on
like I think it's twitch. Yeah, but you know, correct me
if I'm wrong, but like. T pain stands.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but no,
like he was like streaming on Twitch and then he was like
headers Instagram up on the screen and people like, you
know, geeking about the verified tab and stuff.
And then went to his, he went to like his messages for some
reason. And someone was like, why do you
have like over 1000 or like over a blah, blah requests.
And he was like, what's a request?
And so he opens his request and sees like request after request
by like famous pop stars for features and like production
help and stuff. And he's like, what the hell?
Oh my God. Like he's missed out on years of
opportunities in the music industry because he didn't know
what the request feature was on Instagram.
Well, that's another thing. It's like, I don't want to say
out of all the songs on this album, but out of every song you
did your PKA with T. Pain I I think both of them have
this kind of essence about them that's like party vibe, so I
understand it but. Ke$ha can make a brilliant party
song. Yeah.
This isn't it. I I understand it.
I think, yeah, again, it could be, it could go further, it
could be more party. That's all right.
Yeah, because I I also want to mention this song is in between
Joyride and Delusional. Yeah, so we got Joyride.
Yippee KA Delusional. Yeah.
Like what? Yeah, or the 4th single.
This is kind of where it picked up because that's boy crazy.
Yeah, I love this. It's a good song.
I loved this. I I'm double check.
I think it is a bit later on the track list.
No, produced by Zone. I think that's how you say his
name. Oh, ZHONE, Yeah.
Isn't he producing a big album coming up?
He's. Doing Demi Lovato Demi.
Lovato. But I because I remember I used
to like follow him when he was doing like really small artists
because he's really in the hyper pop scene.
So I, like, looked onto him recently and found out he's
doing a lot of the Goddess, Yeah, like Demi Lovato, he
worked on Brett. So he's like, really popping up
lately. But he does do a few tricks on
this album. I think another one he does is
Red Flag, Yeah. I think I I for sure knowing
that context yeah, I love zones producing love it didn't know
who was before right now, but slay you better work zone.
Because I thought he was a smaller artist.
I know I had was like, she should have worked with him on
more of the album. But maybe he is a bit expensive,
especially for an independent artist.
But yeah, boy, crazy. Yeah, That's that's good.
Yeah, I think this was for sure the second note of the like
joyride thing. I think it takes it up even
further into like a more clubby vibe.
Yeah, no, the song is definitely for the clubs like this is, I
wouldn't say a brilliant like Ke$ha party anthem.
It's a GGT, yeah. It's for the girls, the guys
that. They Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know I like go crazy. Yeah, love it.
Yeah. And then I think we got to the
album release. Yes, yes, yeah.
And so. So it begins, right?
So it begins. OK, we are home with freedom.
Yes. Very long song.
Yes, I, you know, there's been commentary about the song and
that it should have had opened with instrumental and then
freedom. The actual song should have been
a track. Because I do agree with the
criticism that I'm not going to add this to any playlists
because I do not want to listen to a minute and a half of the
grand opening of this album, especially if I'm not listening
to the full album. Yeah, 'cause the actual song of
freedom. Is good yeah.
Again, I think this is one of those moments where the stripped
the stripped back production of this album really shines where
she kind of just, you know, flexes her vocal muscles a
little bit like the the vibe of it is very true to Ke$ha and the
like, orchestra, not orchestral. The choir arrangement is like so
successful in terms of like what it is.
I also think the significance of this album being her first one
as an independent artist and releasing it on 4th of July, the
Independence Day in America and starting with Freedom.
That's the annoying thing is it's like it's such a
significant unpinner and I feel like she ruined it with a like 2
minute long. Yeah, I wouldn't say ruined it.
Like artistically cute choice, Love it, but it hurts the song.
Yeah. In itself.
Yeah, because yeah, like, the song itself is really good
songwriting, really good. The message is clear.
It's good. Production is called I.
Yeah, she's been releasing a lot of remix and stuff.
If she just released a version without the interpret.
I need to see like her thoughts on the song because I don't
think she will and obviously it's a song that's probably
close to her. I I just cannot understand for
the life of me that 2 minute long intro that doesn't really
add anything. I I think it, it's sort of
again, it sets the tone I. What tone I?
Personally, go into disco straight again, I but I think
it's, you know, the cultural conscious of it all.
It's being released on Independence Day.
It's her opening as an independent artist, a debut of
sorts. And I think the kind of
grandness that it creates in itself kind of is like, well,
Kesh is back, and I like that. Yeah, yeah.
It's like complaining that. It's like complaining a cartoon
character has a theme song like this is her big opening, you
know? And it's just really, I'm not
saying Keisha has a big opening, but if it was, this is it.
No, I yeah, yeah, I was really disappointed.
I think. Yeah, the two minutes ruined it
for me. And see, I, I thought it built
it. And then when it got to freedom,
I was like, Oh yeah, we're free. What time pressure?
Let's go, We're free. No, I think after the three
minutes and the song came and I was like, what the fuck was all
that? What was?
The reason, But yeah, I don't have much else to say on that
one. We didn't do the the three
singles. We do the three singles joyride
replica a delusional. Red flag.
Then we get a red flag, honey. First of all, I will mention in
the context of the album Joyride Yippee Ki a delusional red flag.
Pretty decent. That's a real good track run.
Yeah, I will say yippee Ki and delusional feel a bit like fella
but it like back to there. Textually I see what you mean.
If this was an AP, that'd be a good AP.
Freedom to red flag CP be a red flag.
Also produced by Zone. Fun pop song.
Feels like old Ke$ha. It feels done well.
I do feel her vocal performance was a bit boring.
There's not a lot of dynamic to it.
You don't like the the little run she does?
Yeah, it's all within like 5 notes I feel.
But it's vocal flipping. I thought it was really
interesting. Like it's, I think it reflects
the like, like the actual meaning of the song.
Like she's saying like the problem is that I ignore these
red flags. I like this type of guy and the
emphasis and like elongation of I being a whole 5 notes and like
half of each line is like the emphasis is that it's me.
These guys aren't the problem, it's the fact that I'm choosing.
Them I think if it was shorter it would have worked but better.
But even being the length of three minutes thirty and it
being so one note vocally, it it it just it bores you a bit.
Yeah. But yeah, that's kind of like
Chris's on it. I like the songwriting.
I like the song itself. But yeah, it does get a little
snoozy. I think as far as songwriting
goes, this is a real high point in the album where she uses
really interesting words. They make really good sounds in
terms of like how it matches the production and stuff.
And yeah, again, I, I really liked it every.
I think everything worked together really well.
Now I will give her her flowers. This one.
This one was good, probably the best so far.
We've been going to love forever.
Now, I, I do want to say that this first section of the album,
those first 5 tracks, super strong.
I was, I at this point, I was gagged.
I was set for this album because I was like, Oh yeah.
So those were just, you know, this is just the opening of the
album. Unfortunately, this is where we
lose zones influence a little bit.
That that was it. And I'm not saying that that's
certainly a negative thing. I I think this is the point
where I talk about like at least my understanding of the
narrative of this album, 'cause I think this is where the tone
switches of this album. So I understand this to be like
her departing from a semi serious relationship where she
realised and understood this person that she was with to be
sort of like a cloud chaser or like interested in who she was
as like a celebrity and not so much like as a person.
So we get tracks like freedom and delusional being like you
know, I'm no longer in this relationship.
You are crazy hate you and the jury Rupikaye and red flag as
like her having a really fast like you know now I can be crazy
and single and live my life and then red flag being obviously
like whoops my bad this keeps happening lol.
So I think this next run kind of explores, well, I think it
explores the ups and downs of like, you know.
That's a really clever way to say it's not consistent.
Look, it is up and down. It like switches back and forth.
I think there's a real dichotomy in this album between like, you
know, wanting love and wanting like someone there to like, be
your partner again. Unfortunately, our pop stars at
the moment. Or at least, you know, from the
girls we like, they're in their, like, 30s.
They're looking to settle down. Yeah.
Like. Yeah, I mean, I guess.
Shut up. OK.
Here we go. But yeah, love forever.
I want to love that last forever.
So does everyone else. Yeah.
But I. No one's saying that Again, this
is, this is where we're going to keep going back and forth and
arguing, arguing. But yeah, I think it's a really
basic, strong song. A little bit of the sky, you
know? I love the disco little disco
void. It's such a snoze, such a snoze.
Especially going after a red flag.
Yeah, I don't have much to say on this song.
I feel like it doesn't need to be on the album.
Lyrically boring. I I don't want to say vocally
boring, yeah, just cause fun. Yeah, it's repetitive.
It's I'm trying to think how it relates to like my sugary
metaphor and that it's not like super cheesy and like super
sweet, but it's like, I just want to say this is like
pancakes where it's like this isn't exactly cereal, but it is
sweet and you have it for breakfast for sure.
Yeah, I can't really add much. But I love a pancake in.
Terms of criticism to the song, it's yeah.
To me, it's just fella. If it was there or not, I
wouldn't notice. Wow.
Yeah. But then we go into the one, The
one. I kind of like the one.
I love. It, yeah, I like her vocals are
really good. The productions, the
production's OK. It is a little bit outdated, but
yeah, that's a good song. Another one that probably
wouldn't really care about if it was on the album or not.
I think this hits all the same notes of love forever.
Not contextually like literally production wise, lyricism wise,
everything. And I think it kind of
disservices them both having them back-to-back only because
they tell the same story, if exactly the same.
But I think this is way more of like a reflexive I I do not
understand. This is the one criticism I've
given the narrative of this thing red flag being like it's
my fault that I picked the wrong guys love forever.
I want to find like you know the one the person and then the one
is me and I get the idea. But you said 2 songs ago that
you were the problem. You know that you were picking
the wrong people. Yeah, that's kind of my problem
with the album as a whole. It's like every three songs is
so clear, makes sense, and then we switch it but and kind of
like a repeat. But again, I think it follows
the same like up and down roller coaster ride.
Do I think that's particularly a good way to tell a story?
No, but I think it's interesting.
Like this is kind of, in my opinion, representative of the
post breakup crash out. Like, yeah, you go out and you
party, like fuck him. And then you get a little too
drunk and all of a sudden, yeah, you're crying, being like.
I just feel like it's being done way better.
Like, I feel like that's such a generous way to say that The
album is messy. Yeah, but.
Yeah, but I think the album would be this album as it is, it
would be more boring if it was featuring just one kind of of
those motions being like, you know, if it started with all the
like sentimental lovey songs gone to like the self reflection
stuff and then all the like party like whoa, I'm single,
let's go stuff, I think that would have been really like
boring. But I feel like there's been
structures, the albums, they have done the structure really
well, like Brett where you're discussing your party girl era
sort of thing with flickering moments of self reflection and
stuff. I feel like Ke$ha is so stuck on
a way of songwriting that she struggles to tell a story that
is different than what she's used to writing.
She kind of has like 3 formats. I can kind of echo that
sentiment only. And again, with the larger
context of, you know, her label and, like, what she's been
through, I can see this being, like, remnants of other albums
that she's, like, saved and been like, actually, I don't want to
give this to, like, you know, the label and have it be like,
not my baby. Yeah.
So do I think it's particularly successful that she's kind of
smashed all these ideas together?
No. But it's still fun.
I love. It yeah, we've been going to boy
crazy. We've already talked about that
fun song, a little crazy in the track list, and we got to glow.
I really like it. Like again, it's that strip
down, strip back like Ke$ha and it's not as like Power Ballady.
I think in contrast with the other songs that kind of fill
this niche, because it strips back on the belady moment, like
Delusional, it kind of loses exactly what it is because it's
not like a pop song because it's slow and like repetitive and Oh
well, pop songs are repetitive, but it's really one note because
it doesn't have that belady moment.
It's terrible. It's such a terrible song.
Her songwriting is awful. Like that line, Like my music
played at Walmart, like you can't escape me.
Like they play anything at Walmart.
They play the most cheapest commercial music.
At Walmart, but that's, but that's what you're saying is
like, you know, even at Walmart, you will still hear the remnants
of me. Like I'm, I'm such like woven
into the fabric of like everyday life that you will not forget
me. And I shouldn't forget myself
because of that. Yeah, I just feel like that was
a dumb lurk. But production.
I have one note on the production as a positive.
I actually have one positive I'd like to share.
I think like the song Boy, Crazy Red Flag, there's a similarity
in production. I did check and Zone hasn't
produced Glow, but there is like this sort of hyper pop influence
that she has been kind of gathering lately, like with
Charlie and Slater. So as much as I don't like it, I
can, I can see like a bit of cohesion going on.
Yeah, the vocals are really poorly mixed on this track.
The auto trainer sometimes crackly, almost like I'm not in
pitch. It's a really hard listen, like
I don't really have songs that I'm like, that is painful to
listen to, but the song was so bad.
See, I think it's done in like, such a camp way.
And I don't know if that's me, like coping with the fact that
it's poorly done. Yeah, very well could be, to be
fair. But I think it's like camp.
Yeah, I mean, I feel like you can say that about anything
that's bad. Yeah, but that's what camp is
like. She's A, at least in my, it's
not like she did this auto tuning accidentally and it's
turned out bad, you know, like this is obviously a style that
she's going for and that's what makes a camp is the
self-awareness. And she suffer weird though.
I sincerely do not believe that the pop queen Ke$ha did not push
out something like this without at least a knowledge.
Like, yeah, it's, it's kind of crunchy.
Love it. Yeah, no, I, I wear a song on
the album like this is so bad. Yeah.
I don't really get the context. And where it sits, sits one
note. Production's a little
interesting, I'll give her that. It's a little cohesive with some
of the other tracks, but I I can't listen to this song ever
again. Yeah, Like, yeah, we go into Too
Hard. Do you have thoughts on Too
Hard? I kind of can't remember it.
See, this is the one song you've used the word filler a few
times. This is the one song I think is
actual filler. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I can't, I can't really say much on it because I
genuinely cannot. Again, it's hitting the no of
like lamenting the loss of the relationship, but at the same
time like appreciating that it's over and being like, oh, you
know, it sucks. I'm not in a relationship
anymore. But you know why I'm not?
Because you sucked. And here's always you sucked.
OK. Yeah, no, like, yeah.
This is something. Fellow on this album.
Kisha just holds a grudge. I mean, that's fair.
Yeah, and totally. I will support anyone who wants
to hold a grudge because I'm I too am a pity bitch.
Yeah, I think it also. Yeah, can make good music.
Not here. There's just a really
unfortunate thing as she can make a really good pop record.
About being in love or breaking up.
And I just feel like there's so many misses here.
And it's like, yeah, you're an independent artist.
You have pretty much complete freedom.
And a lot of these tracks are just like, what are you doing?
Yeah. No, I I don't really have much
to say else on too hard. Yeah, yeah.
And then we get to the end of the original album.
The End Cathedral. Possibly my favorite song.
Yeah, it's a really good song, Yeah.
I was a little nervous at first. We're not nervous, but like,
lyrically it's really good. I love lyrics to this one
reminiscent of like Rainbow and like the ballad albums Cash is
done. I was nervous in the sense I was
like, I've already heard this from Ke$ha, like I don't really
want to know the Ke$ha ballad, but builds up really well.
And then obviously the outro like so intense.
And this is where I go back to like glow and boy crazy there is
because she has this like distortion mixed in her voice
and it's industrial. Reminds me of like you probably
won't know these artists but like Brackens and Glaive who are
like those like rock hyper pop sort of artists.
So to me it was like this is good and it still makes sense.
Like tracks like this makes a boy crazy and stuff.
Should have been the album. Yeah, however, I think it would
have, again, it would have been so one note to have started with
Freedom done just tracks that were like, boy, crazy red flag,
like, you know, those, and then sandwiched it with Cathedral
right at the end. Like I think again, there's like
more ballady slow moments kind of tie together Freedom and
Cathedral, because Freedom and Cathedral are real high points
in this album as like a open and closer.
Great. Yeah, but that I'm now trying to
avoid the word fella, but it just feels like these songs that
I meant to be tying are just fella.
Like, it's just like, I don't want to do.
Like. It's almost like she felt that
she lacked the capacity to make more songs similar to, like, the
idea without just fully copying them.
So that's why she did these, like, filler tracks.
Yeah. It's, it's really unfortunate
because, yeah, open and close with this album are, like,
perfect. And then it's like a few
sprinkles of songs that like are good, but they just get lost
amongst whatever the rest. Is see, I but I like what the
rest is. Yeah, most of the time.
Like I think it's still good. I think because I'm such an
album person, if there's more misses than there are hits, it
ruins the whole thing. I wouldn't necessarily agree
there are more misses than there are hits because because I think
at the end of the day, what makes the song successful?
I mean, it's different from person to person.
Exactly, like there's no grading.
I think a larger narrative on an album can make a single song
successful. I think a single songs can make
a narrative and an album successful.
So it's kind of this like catch 22 of how do you even decide
that one is happening over the other?
It's wait, what do you mean? So like, how, if, what, what
even predicates whether a song? Like, if a song can be
successful because an album narrative is successful, and
then a narrative album can be successful because a song's
successful. Like, is it?
Did the chicken or the egg come first?
I I feel like I just hold them as two different like writings
or categories like so. Do you think an album full of
bad songs can be a good album? No.
Do you think an album of good songs is always a good album?
I'm just trying to think of like albums that I'm like, these are
all good songs. These are but an album full of
good songs doesn't necessarily tell like a good story together.
But does that make it not a good album?
I'm just trying to think if I have an album that I can apply
that to, but I don't think I can.
Yeah, it's kind of, it's more of a philosophical question really.
But like, again, in my opinion, you know, not all of these songs
are done particularly exceedingly well, but I think
they all have their place and they all work towards the same
goal in terms of what the album is.
And I think the album is 62 as a whole.
OK. But again, if your argument is
like, Oh well, there are more misses than there are hits, then
like is it OK? Is it the songs that make an an
album, or is it the album that makes songs you?
Know, I think, yeah, I think what I'm saying like misses is
it's like we're hitting gaps and stuff where it's like, what does
this mean to me? It means nothing.
It's not adding anything. And because there's all these
like holes within the album, it's like it ruins the listening
experience. I don't know, I think it I might
just have like a deeper relation to exactly what she's talking
about. I'm like, Mama, I got it.
And I'm not saying that people who listened didn't like it,
didn't get it, but I got it. Yeah, I mean, that's fair.
Like I to me the meaning and stuff is super vague that I feel
like it's super easy to slap a meaning onto it.
Yeah, I, I just. But I also think a lot of the
time, especially with music nowadays, we kind of are Privy
to a lot of like interviews about songs and stuff which give
us a deeper understanding and a different perspective about it.
So I think like, without that context, because again, Kisha is
an independent artist and she's not getting pushed in the same
way that some other artists are, we're not getting that same
context. You know, like, we've listened
to Gaga in extent, talk about Mayhem.
We've listened to Lord talk about Virgin, we've listened to
Addison talk about Addison, but we've listened to them talk
about it, which, like, you know, educate us more and made us
think about the album more and made us understand what exactly
they were trying to do more. And like, we just haven't got
that with Ke$ha. Yeah, but it's because she went
straight to touring. Yeah, I mean, I would be very
interested to see her, I guess talk about the album like I'm
awful that like I hate when people are like I should speak
for itself because I just not everyone has like that high
level critical thinking. Like sometimes I do need a
little bit of like explanation because I'm not saying my
opinions the right one or it's. Oh, for sure.
Or it's intelligent or anything, because for all could be, I
could just be missing the point because I mean, that's another
thing like what is what exactly is period is And it feels so
vague. See, again, to me, it's I feel
like you're taking the average of all these songs right where
there are like, you know, high points of like crazy freedom
moments like boy crazy, like Reclag, where she's like, whoa,
I'm single again. And then there are moments where
she's like, oh, I'm longing for this love.
And then there are moments of her being like a pity bitch and
being like, well, you suck and I hate you.
I'm glad we broke up. Yeah, like I think the average
of that kind of nullifies each other and averages out to
nothing. But the clear points give like
to me, a really strong structure of exactly the ups and downs,
the kind of cyclic cycle of this narrative.
I feel like someone should have explained to Ke$ha what a
mixtape is 'cause this could this would be a decent mixtape
'cause yeah like you just you don't really have to like tell a
story or anything. Or even like maybe a three EP
run where like they are sisters and one's all about like being
single party girl and then one's about like lamenting A breakup
and then one's like this really vicious pity out EP.
I think just because Cash has gone from, you know, a record
deal and album after album and albums are a body of work you
sell. I think she just, she thought
she had to do an album. Yeah, and I certainly do
understand that. Like as an independent artist,
she wanted something out that her fans could buy and that
would then support her. Yeah, no, for sure.
But yeah, it's just, it's just unfortunate.
Yes. But I certainly do get the vibe
that just based on our conversations, this is going to
be our first time where we give a severely different rating.
Yeah, but I I did think of a fun little idea.
I think it would be fun to pick 5 tracks out of this album for
an EP because I feel like this. Could be if we were only doing 1
EP. 1 EP, 5 tracks. OK, Oh God, here we go.
Well, OK, hold on. Before we do this, Yeah, I want
to give a quick shout out to, I think it was a week after the
album came out. Or was it right after that came
out? I honestly felt like it.
Was like a day or two. No, it it wasn't the full
deluxe. That was a day or two.
It might have been a week or like less than a week.
Ke$ha released attention. Oh no attention was.
I feel like it was the same week or even before.
Was it before? It might have been just before
'cause I. During the time it was during
album roll. Out during album roll out
because I remember when I got around to actually listening to
it in full, I was like, where's attention?
Yeah, this this song was a really interesting track for me.
Like production wise, kind of it's a giving a bit of for
Frankenstein in the sense of like too many cooks in the
kitchen. You get a verse, you get a
verse, you get a verse. Yeah, but I think it comes out
successfully. I really liked Attention.
I liked it but Ke$ha gets eaten up on her own song.
I this is. I thought it was a slider song.
This is like, I feel like one of those moments where artist has
gone to another artist. Man, I like your sound.
I like what you do. I want to make what you do.
Yeah. Honestly, I feel like Slater
kind of eats up everyone in any sort of song she does.
See, I think, I think Slater came on this track mad as hell.
Not mad as hell at obviously Ke$ha, but being like, oh I get
to be honest, I'm with Ke$ha, I've got to bring my A game.
And I think that. It kind of blew the whole thing
out of the water. Yeah, I think that's a common
thing with Slater because like, you think of her remix on Click
with Charlie where she is pretty much screaming like.
She just brings such an energy to her music.
Like, and I get it, like you literally came from nothing and
you are such a small artist and his big names are like, I want
you on a song. You are going to give it 110%.
I will say though, like as much as I'm like, I thought the
Slider song, you can't really take Ke$ha out of it because
Ke$ha's chorus kind of makes the song, you know, belting.
I to be honest, I don't know who Rose Grey is.
It's fun. When she comes on, I'm like, Oh
yeah. But yeah, I was like, who is
this? I think it's almost, I don't
want to say it's Ke$ha reheating her own nachos, but Ke$ha is so
good on someone else's song, a song like Timber.
You know, she's had such successful moments like that.
We're almost feel she pushes herself into that role on the
song where like her chorus and the strength in her voice and
her lyrics in the chorus really drives the ship.
That is like she's the engine of the ship and then Slater is the
one driving. Yeah, like because I have made
songs before where? I am the captain, no.
I like it's more feature focus, like you admire this person you
like to craft and you just want them on a song.
And this is, it's kind of giving that like, I mean, Ke$ha's verse
is pretty lacklustre. I think this is kind of a sign
of Ke$ha adopting Slater as her daughter.
Like I can easily say Ke$ha had ripped the chorus and everything
and it was pretty much the bones of it, and she couldn't do three
other features because it's a bit crazy.
So she's like, oh, I guess I'll do this. 1st I'll do it first.
But yeah, no, I yeah, I don't think.
What's her name? Bruce Gray.
Bruce Gray needed to be on this. Yeah, I could have.
Done a little back-to-back with cash insulator going off.
Yeah, I'm I'm unfamiliar with Miss Gray's work also.
I have no idea who that is. At first I thought it was Skylar
Grey. Who even is there?
Oh. My gosh, at first I thought it
was Skylar Grey. And I was like, wait, Skylar
Grey's not British? And I thought it was pink
Panthras. And then I looked again, I was
like, Oh no, it was grey. It's Rose grey.
I don't know who that is. Because I think when like like I
might be Spotify. Knock, knock, who's there?
Yeah, like when you're playing a song on Spotify, it doesn't all
load out. So I'm like, OK, it's cashing
Slater. And then it gets to her.
I'm like, who the fuck is this? But yeah, it's not like bad,
it's just not really needed. I mean, it certainly brings a
different vibe because I feel like, again, in the chorus,
Ke$ha's like, really got the power behind it.
Yeah. And then Slater's bringing such
an energy of like, party girl vibes.
Rose gracious in the corner like nothing.
Yeah, like it's, it's a song about grabbing your attention
and it's this girl. Who's there like?
Go away, girl, girl. Ring the doorbell.
Break the These are the Ke$ha and Rose, Ke$ha and Slater, and
they're busting down the door. Banging the shit out of.
Groceries. They're like knock knock who's?
There, yeah, but I mean nice vocals.
Yeah. Nice vocals.
Gorgeous. I think and yeah, we got into
deluxe. I'll be honest, I haven't really
heard the deluxe. I do.
I will say her remix with Jade Elevated Boy crazy.
Yeah. Like I think I'm trying to push
theirs though. See, I don't think that's as
successful. As boy crazy.
Yeah. The Jade version, yeah.
I don't I don't like Jade's. I mean, I don't think this album
is successful full stop. But yeah, we get it.
But I, I, I don't know, I just like this like.
More I think no it's not the only 5 smash remix like her
verse on it I'm. Just I do think her quote is it
fame top. Yeah.
What do you mean girl? I I like how she opens it, she
says. Brisbane to London boys are my
Jager bomb. Yeah, no.
Like the songwriting was a bit shit, but her delivery of it was
really well. Done Countryside and the Bond
City boys. Big job.
What? What?
It's a city boy with a big job.
It's not about the size, it's how you use it.
They can turn me on. Slay.
So when you're gonna turn me on, motherfucker?
Are you dumb? Yeah.
Huh. Like it gives me cash is like I
want you want to remix my albums out tomorrow though so does need
to be in. Yes, because yeah, immediately
after the Jagerbomb line she goes let me be your femme top.
Giddy up now. I'm a Dom.
Like what? Huh.
I'm pretty sure she said that she wrote this in like 20
minutes or something. I.
Believe I need artist to stop doing that.
Yeah, like I I don't think we need 20 minutes to write this.
Like bitch, I know Ke$ha did not like what did she FaceTime you
and go hey, can you can you do this first for me?
I need it by tonight. I feel like it was.
I. I feel I genuinely feel like the
album was soon to be out and Ke$ha's like I'm doing a deluxe.
Like I don't have enough to go on this deluxe which also
brings. Me to the next point about the
deluxe, which is well, it features the again, the T pain
version. It features the jade version.
It features obviously attention. There's another single on it
that's trash man which again hits that same like you know,
being angry and pity at your ex or whatever.
But there are a few remixes on here.
DP Kaye gets 2 remixes, 1 featuring AG AG Cook, Slay and
then Boy Crazy also gets an only fire remix.
And something tells me that Ke$ha was like I'm getting only
fire for a remix. Jay, can you do me a a verse for
for boy crazy as well? Yeah.
And Jade went, oh, I've got no idea who only fires went and
listened to them and went, Oh my God, Christ.
Jesus Christ. That's why she had to throw in
the I'm giddy up now. I'm your dog.
Yeah. Like she thought it was about to
be plastered with vulgarity. Yeah.
And it came out and she was like, oh, it's a different one.
We're on different ones. Maybe if Ke$ha developed a
deluxe bit better. This deluxe doesn't add anything
to her. I mean it's like it's OK.
Like again, the T pain version, cute, the jade version cute.
Attention super successor. Wish it was on the album.
Yeah, honestly, it should have been it.
Should have been. I, it, it gives me the vibe that
it wasn't meant to be, but cash is like, well, this is doing
well deluxe. But she was.
It was also the single for the deluxe, no?
I don't think it was. I'm pretty sure the song came
out before the album. I'll I'll check.
Yeah, two weeks before the album.
That's crazy. Yeah.
That's why it's giving the vibe that it's like, the song's
actually like, well received. Let's just like on deluxe.
And it's like, especially like people don't even stop doing
deluxes straight after their album because it kind of just
ruins the project you're selling.
Yeah. I don't know.
I also think like the state of the music industry at the moment
with people selling different versions with different tracks
on it. Like like if you're if you're
gonna release deluxe with all the different of all of those
different tracks on it and then all of those tracks make sense
with the album. I get it, but I don't understand
the deluxe craze. It's.
Just like over. What's that overconsumption?
Like you can wait a bit. Like, I mean, all the big
successful artists do it, you know, they wait a bit, I mean,
and then it's refreshing. Remember the last big like
deluxe? Because even Brett the deluxe
didn't really pop off. It was the remix album that
really. But even the remix album is kind
of considered a deluxe in terms of commercial because like I
guess the songs are added to the album so all the stream counts
as totalled, the sales points totalled like it's considered a
different variant of the album. Not that I compare everyone to
Taylor Swift, but like I think back to Taylor Swift, I'm like
1999 didn't have deluxe. It did.
Yeah, but I only had voice notes, didn't it?
And then? An extra song.
New Romantics. Yeah, because.
We go from plane and then we go Wonderland and New Romantics,
because I think New Romantics might have been like the same.
Was it a single? Yeah, yeah, it was like the
single for the deluxe. I'm pretty sure that's the only.
Story song in deluxe but I know it's definitely New Romantics
and Wonderland. Yeah.
Well, Deluxe has made sense back then because it was like, here's
another version of the album you can buy to give me.
Another reputation. I think that was beginning of
streaming era like nowadays Deluxe's don't really well.
I only count if you wait a bit to then boost it up again.
Yeah, I don't. Because at at the moment it's
just kind of like a few more sales points, I mean, streaming
points, especially someone like Ke$ha, when it's like you are
independent artists, you're not really going to chat, which is
fear. Like independent artists don't
just wait a bit. Yeah, it's, it's just too much
at a given time. Yeah.
Especially if it's just remixes. Yeah, confusing marketing
decisions, but you know, I'm happy that she can do what she
wants without her labels pressure.
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, like I said, I I
give her her flowers. I'm glad she's, you know, in her
own creative direction. Yes, has full control.
I must have to see what she does next on the back of this.
I I, I do think there was that aspect of like it was always
going to be such a anticipated first album as an independent
artist. But yeah, OK, so back to the EP
exercise. We almost forgot about it.
We you can go first. OK.
I think open freedom, I think, you know, it's a really good
tone setter or that blah, blah, blah.
If I could, let's produce a minute of that address.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just because it is an EP and it
doesn't need the grandness if it's not a full album.
Yeah, like Freedom's my first one as well.
Maybe 20 seconds of N chart like. 20 Oh yeah, I can see
that. Yeah, just a little N chart
because then it's like, Oh yeah. But yeah.
Right. And then I think joyride.
Mine's the same, yeah. 'Cause I think the freedom to
draw, it's actually really like fun.
Yeah, it makes sense to me as well.
Then oh, hold on do. You want me to do mine 'cause
I've got mine full. I think, no, I've got, I think
red flag. Yeah, boy, crazy.
Yeah. Attention.
No cathedral. You're still hanging with
Cathedral. It's really good.
Yeah, but you, you still want Cathedral to end that album.
I don't think Cathedral and Freedom have a place if the
other three songs are Joyride Peg.
I I can agree attention of being a closer.
I feel like it's a little similar messaging and like.
Wait, So what are your songs? Literally the same, but
cathedral instead of attention. So say your songs, because
what's freedom? AET as freedom into joyride into
red flag into boy crazy into cathedral.
OK. Yeah, yeah.
Again, I just don't think Cathedral has the same impact if
we haven't had those like slow, like recompensive moments.
Yeah. I would like Cathedral to have a
longer outro like that explosive outro could have been a bit
longer and instead of the piano outro that was, I didn't really
get the point of that. But yeah, it's yeah, I feel, But
I do agree, I feel like Cathedral and attention, I don't
know the word. I don't want to say similar
messaging, different font because I feel like it's way
different font, but it is that sort of same messaging of like
what's weird like self self praise.
Yeah. Yeah.
So I definitely see attention, yeah, being an answer to that.
Yeah, just cause. Yeah, I think Freedom and
Cathedral work really well as bookends, but if the story in
the middle is just like that hyper pop influence party girl
song, it doesn't make sense to have those two as the bookends.
But attention's not on the album.
Oh my God, sorry you're a stickler for the rules this is.
The album she presented. But it came out two weeks before
the album. And it wasn't on the album,
sorry. Well, yeah, I think if it was on
the album, I would put it on the EPI would put it on the album.
It should have been there. What?
Did you do as another EP that flop?
Shut up for our next segment, we'll be ranking this album at
our lowest tier. We've got jobless, the Next up
staff meeting next tier staff to that casual contract then
employed and at our top tier we have promoted.
So what are? We ranking this hour, Maria.
Look, I think if if nothing else is established that we're giving
it different ranking. Unfortunately, unfortunately,
unfortunately, it'll be different rankings.
It I think it for sure will be, but I think, well, I think this
exemplifies the fact that we have a distinct, distinct,
distinct perspective on music. Quite honestly, I want to give
this an employed, I want to give period unemployed.
I completely understand your criticisms of it.
I do not share the same criticisms.
I I understand at least I interpreted it as a really like
clear narrative of like the ups and downs, like the cycle of
emotions post breakup. And again, I don't know if you
didn't know she went through a breakup or if like, you simply
don't care, but I think. Everyone does though.
But like I, I got it, you know? Yeah, unfortunately I have
written up an e-mail to invite Ke$ha to a staff meeting.
It's not jobless. Like, I don't hate it, but it's
like, come on, Ke$ha and. You know what, Ke$ha?
If you need a support person for this meeting, I'll be there.
You. You do get a support person
Ke$ha. It's legal.
It's required. Required.
It's crazy.
You're going to need someone there.
You're going to need to hear this.
Yeah. Like I, I feel like, yeah, like
contextually, like I want to have a meeting with her about
the performance, what's going on, like.
I think, I think the newness and the freshness of this album,
kind of those two. Words I would not use for this.
Album, I'm in the country. What I'm about to say you'll
understand, but I think the nostalgia of like Animal and
Cannibal kind of colour those albums in a particular way.
But I think if you, if we actually went back and looked at
those albums, we'd find similar, if not the same issues and like,
inconsistency with narrative and like, you know, like they're a
slow moment. I feel like backstabber is like
clever and it's campy. See.
But you understand that to be campy because you think that
era, she was aware of it. But now, now that it's new
Ke$ha, you're like, yeah, but is she aware of it?
Is she trying to be campy? I feel like she's like, I want
to do what I did and it's like, well, you're not going to do
what you did because you're not there.
You don't think you're all anymore.
Well, I've been. I've been to that thing now.
See, but exactly like you're holding her to a different
standard now. Because she has been that girl.
15 years, Yes, maybe. Maybe 14.
Was it 2011 or 10? Oh my God.
I don't know. Too old.
Yeah, no, I would just like to have a talk with her, say if
there's any reasons for why her work performance has been
affected. Yeah, she's not been fired.
Well, Ke$ha, look, if for some reason you or a little gay
intern you've hired is listening, I love you.
If you ever come to New Zealand or Australia, I'd open for you.
We can put a restraining order on King X.
Yeah. I mean, yeah, she's still
employed, but there needs to some words, some words need to
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