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Is this bitch on? 
Is this bitch recording? 

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You're the contest everybody 
welcome back to jobless 

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behaviour how we doing today 
excellent so good you look a 

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little different. 
I do look a little different. 

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Little fun, little fierce, very 
fierce. 

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Like 80s yes. 
In honour of what we're 

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reviewing today, my. 
Dear yes, we are doing Doja Cat 

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the the Viva la France. 
We're in Paris. 

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Salah. 
Yes, yeah, we're doing Dosha Cat

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B Yeah, no, I'm very excited to 
do Miss Dosha Cat. 

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I've been looking forward to 
this album for a while. 

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And yeah, what what are our 
overall first impressions of the

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project? 
I mean, I think it would be 

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remiss to not talk about our 
first impression of the project,

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which would be the jealous type 
music video. 

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Yes, Girl. 
Jealous type as a whole was 

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insane. 
Amazing. 

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Literally just it's like pop 
perfection but then it's mixed 

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with rap. 
The visuals are stunning. 

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She fully like encompasses the 
aesthetic while also repeating 

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the same things I did before the
Kylie rave. 

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So it's like like all the time, 
but it's modern like, but it's. 

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New but. 
It's classic. 

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Yeah. 
No, I absolutely love jealous 

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type. 
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I. 
An amazing song. 

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Instant earworm. 
Yeah, so clear and it's 

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references. 
Yes, I'm afraid to reference or 

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not. 
Reference. 

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Yes. 
And unfortunately, in a general 

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public sense that didn't perform
as well as I thought it would. 

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I feel like that's just because 
we were obsessed with it 

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instantly. 
So should everyone help? 

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It's. 
It's scratched some part of our.

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Brain, we are right? 
Well, yeah, we. 

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Yeah. 
Why? 

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As no one agrees. 
And I'll take this opportunity 

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to say we've been listening to 
this album non-stop in 

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preparation for this. 
So so you're welcome Amela for 

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the stream. 
Yeah, they were not under the 

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couch, they were under. 
The couch we must surely be 

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what, 5? 
Percent of strangers yes, no, 

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it's it's really surprised me 
how I don't see under what no 

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use it as underperformed because
I really did think this whole 

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album would blow up. 
But then when I remember back to

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like Planet her release, it 
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I think she is like a grower. 
I also feel like Planet her got 

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a lot of singles and a lot of 
performances. 

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Scarlett got a lot of 
performances that like really 

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got people's attention and it 
was really contested pop culture

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wise. 
Like Oh my God what is she doing

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with this new era? 
It was bold of her to just do 

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jealous type pre release right? 
Yes. 

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Or did gorgeous come out weak 
of? 

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Gorgeous came out. 
No. 

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Was it day of? 
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It's like the primer single, but
then I mean nowadays singles 

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because it was like the whole 
like late single, primer single,

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second single doesn't really 
matter anymore. 

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I think because of the streaming
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Is just weird though, because I 
feel like jealous type did get 

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me so hyped for this album yeah 
and then it kind of just came 

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yeah and then it was here yeah. 
And it sure is here yeah like I,

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I really enjoy it. 
I can see myself like, you know,

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saving a few of the songs yes 
yes. 

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I can even see myself listening 
to this project as a whole yeah 

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'cause you know, I'm an album 
listener too, my dear, but I 

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just. 
I'm a bit gagged by it's. 

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I don't even want to say 
underperformance, but mine. 

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Neither, but like it's it is 
just like this should be bigger 

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and I can't even like quite 
figure out why it's not. 

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Obviously the state of music at 
the moment is a bit weird so 

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that we'll play into it. 
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the state of music, it's just, 
it is, it's so weird. 

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Top song in the world is a 
cartoon movie K pop song. 

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And then we have a lot of like 
adult contemporary topping the 

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charts. 
And yeah, I don't get it. 

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I don't get it. 
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Think even maybe Carter's 
biggest hit this era is an adult

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contemporary like. 
I mean we've talked in other 

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episodes about like the industry
at the moment, trying to find 

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the sound cause in the early 
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Shout out to our girl Dash Cat. 
She really found the sound and 

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honestly, especially how into it
I was with Jealous Type. 

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I expected her to kind of like 
swing big, knock this out of the

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park, redefine music for the 
next 5 years again, 'cause Post 

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Say so every other song was like
the Say so Renaissance, like 

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trying to reheat those nachos 
and it didn't really work until 

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espresso. 
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the Say So daughter. 
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Yeah, I think it's just people 
aren't paying attention anymore.

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Well, the general public because
yeah, I don't think she's done 

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anything wrong. 
You know, she's definitely been 

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promoting. 
There's lots of visuals. 

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I yeah, I can't even be like, 
she should have done this or 

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that and maybe would have done 
this or that. 

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Yeah. 
I mean, speaking on visuals, the

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multiple variants of the album, 
'cause we did not know. 

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I did not understand that was 
happening. 

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No, I when she first announced 
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album art. 
And she's like, no, it's not 

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and. 
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She did the pillow cover art and
she's like, this isn't it 

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either? 
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and then with every album art 
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would have been like more. 
Oh, OK, then you know we're 

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working. 
Towards it, I feel like the. 

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Communication in this wasn't, I 
don't want to say it in every 

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direction because obviously it 
very much had a direction, but I

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feel like the train was for sure
on track. 

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I was just at the stop and I saw
the train get there and I was 

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like, there goes the train. 
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Didn't make me want to get up 
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No, did get to a point where I 
was just like okay, like you get

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like you are so excited and then
it's constant like no, this 

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isn't it. 
No, this isn't it. 

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That's not right. 
And it was kind of like, OK. 

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And then the cover did come, and
it did cause a bit of a stir. 

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I feel like it only caused the 
stir because she kept being 

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like, this isn't the cover 
views. 

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And then we got to it and then 
people were disappointed. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
Which I don't think is 

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completely fair. 
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I get it. 
I I definitely get it now after 

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the stranger music video. 
I just didn't hear like with a, 

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you know, we. 
Can't talk if it's a bit of 

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worse. 
Whether it was good or bad, I 

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don't have an answer for. 
I was just like OK, but I felt 

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like a lot of the excitement had
been taken away at the like. 

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I think for me the standard had 
been built so high. 

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Like I'm not saying it's a bad 
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that standard was so high, I was
just like, OK, it is what it is.

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But yeah, I mean, we should we 
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I guess so. 
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cards. 
Player cards, yeah. 

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I'm gonna say this throughout 
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and the whole album as a whole, 
the production's amazing. 

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How much did Jack Antonoff 

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produce? 
I forgot to check that. 

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I. 
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Jack, I just did the whole 
album. 

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But I don't think you did the 
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Yeah, but. 
It was also just as a a Little 

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Asterix reference, though Doja 
Cat wrote every song on this 

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album. 
Yes, by herself and it's myself.

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Yeah. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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Every single song, it's just, 
yeah, Amela as the writer, yeah.

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And she did not advertise that 
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No. 
Which is such a flick. 

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Yes, and it's some of the best 
program I've ever seen. 

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Yeah. 
Like, Oh my God, no, but yet I'm

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Prince album. 
Well, we you get what this album

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is about love, you know, finding
her, falling into it. 

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Yeah, production is so like 
atmospheric and vibe. 

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See, I upon hearing cards for 
the first time because we we did

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listen to it as it dropped 
together, I was worried that 

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each song was just going to be 
like a reheated nachos carbon 

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copy of like a production style 
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Just. 
Because like, it did sound so 

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familiar, but listening to the 
whole project, I've kind of like

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come back to cards and like, you
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It's not actually a copy of 
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It's just that every single 
production choice on this entire

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album sounds so familiar, but I 
can't quite place any single 

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thing to be like, oh, that's 
just like this. 

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Yeah, like they were very. 
Researched into what songs they 

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were like taking inspiration 
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really breadth knowledge of like
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I think they I think they do and
it kind of shows in like, I mean

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like the the lyric, right? 
And the production. 

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It's insane on that one. 
But when you first listen to 

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Cards, I was a little bit like, 
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grower because yeah, I'm playing
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Jealous type, I'm playing the 
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It was kind of like, OK, but 
let's jump in. 

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So I'll say, oh, there's more to
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Yeah. 
We didn't go into jealous type, 

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which. 
Amazing. 

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Yeah, literally, I think, I 
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on the album. 
It's anthemic. 

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It's got vocals, it's got pop 
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It's a bit silly. 
It's a bit fun. 

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I love a jealousy anthem. 
No, I love this song. 

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I don't have much else to say on
that. 

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Yes, I mean, yeah, again, it's 
just such like a contemporary 

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take on, again, those classic 
80s production sounds. 

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Yeah, I I can't fault it 
anywhere. 

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No, neither. 
It's love it, love it. 

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We've been going to our men. 
Now I will say this now I'm a 

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production first listener. 
Like you know how this 

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production looks. 
I'm production first listener. 

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So when I do have to like 
analyse lyrics, I tend to have 

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to like pull them up. 
I struggle to like listen to 

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when people are like speaking. 
And this song right on this is 

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crazy. 
They just crazy in the sense 

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it's so clever. 
Yeah, it's the the song itself 

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is something Knight Rider, 
Knight Rider show movie. 

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I don't. 
Write it as ATV show. 

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Yeah, that. 
So there was that. 

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She references Keira Knightley. 
You know, I that is the one 

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thing I will say about the 
songwriting on this song in 

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particular. 
I actually wasn't obsessed with 

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it. 
I think it's just in the wrap, 

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and I think that kind of 
emboldens my opinion on it. 

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And the fact that Keira 
Knightley is not a hot topic. 

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No, she's not of the 80s, no. 
So using her name is kind of 

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just like, well, it rhymes. 
I think it's because it's funny.

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Or is it funny? 
Or is it out of place? 

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Which makes Keira Knightley 
like, and then another look when

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you're finished with your goons 
is join me in church like, well,

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I I just love how witty it is. 
Is it witty or is it is it a 

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developed sense of like random 
haha millennial humor a little 

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bit makes it a bit cringed out 
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Think it's like brain rot and I 
love brain rot. 

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I don't know. 
I'm not obsessed, I think, 

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especially when rap to me has 
such like a strong basis and 

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like poetry and being so clever.
And I've seen Doja be so clever 

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with her writing before. 
Again, using this like random 

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brain rock. 
Keira Knightley ain't that 

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funny. 
I think that's Doja Cat's 

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personality, especially on the 
song, which is just kind of 

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like. 
Yeah, and she's allowed to have 

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her. 
Yeah, she is. 

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Yeah, I think it would give it 
tiring if it was like constant 

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like poetic writing and I think 
it is. 

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It doesn't. 
Have to be poetic, I'm saying, 

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in the sense of like, you know, 
the words meaning something. 

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And I think particularly in this
one, the rap and the song, it's 

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just like, it just doesn't mean 
anything. 

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And I get that's part of it. 
Yeah, apparently samples RuPaul 

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laugh the song. 
I still don't hear it. 

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I hear it, but I couldn't really
see it. 

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I don't. 
Think it's RuPaul's Laugh I. 

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Couldn't see a credit for it so 
I was like maybe it's Doji I. 

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Don't think it's RuPaul's laugh.
It was my first listen. 

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I was like, this is RuPaul funny
and but no I. 

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Do Well, that's what everyone on
Twitter was saying as well, 

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Yeah. 
I don't see like a credit or 

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anything so I. 
To be fair, I think that would 

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be like a perfect Twitter troll 
thing to do would to be hear the

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snip of the song, place RuPaul's
laugh at it. 

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Yeah, So that every time when 
the song actually came out, you 

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would still hear RuPaul's laugh.
Yeah, because I just didn't hear

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it at all. 
I no, it was like literally the 

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first thing I heard. 
No, I love the song. 

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Yeah, it's a good song. 
Yeah, a different vibe to the 

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others so far. 
Like differently a gear shift. 

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Yeah, again, I watched the Night
Rider TV show. 

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Made me feel a bit retro. 
I like that, yes. 

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I have no idea I just saw like a
like the cover out the car. 

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Yeah. 
So listen Time, I'm not that 

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much older than by the way, but 
listen Time. 

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Knight Rider was a talking car. 
I think Herbie fully loaded, but

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of the 80s. 
Oh my God. 

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OK, are. 
You old enough for Herbie fully 

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loaded. 
No. 

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Oh my gosh. 
Brum no. 

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Oh my God, what's an inanimate 
object that talks? 

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Like cars? 
Yeah, like cars, I guess. 

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But like, yeah, it's like a a 
computer in a car. 

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Oh, OK. 
You know, he's the police 

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detective. 
OK. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah, Knight Rider. 

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Knight Rider, Knight Rider. 
We've been going to couples 

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therapy. 
It's a good song, beautifully 

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written by the production. 
It's not my cup of tea. 

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Yeah, it's certainly, you start 
to see that like 80s and 90s R&B

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influence coming this one. 
Yeah, definitely. 

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Throughout all the slower songs 
on this record you can tell she 

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really heavily like reference 
Boys to Men and like you know, 

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the other R&B artists of the 80s
and 90s, which really gives like

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an authentic interpretation to 
this 80s choice. 

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, yeah, 
definitely. 

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Like a lot of variation within 
it. 

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We're not just getting like zip 
pop or shit like that. 

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But yeah, like it's when I say 
it's not my cup of tea, I'm not 

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saying it's a bad song or 
anything. 

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I just don't see myself playing 
this one. 

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Yeah. 
Do you see this being making 

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love music? 
I don't know I was just like but

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weird to go to have sex and put 
a song called couples therapy on

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but I feel like it would be a 
good song to have sex too. 

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Yeah, there was like a note I 
did write about this whole 

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album, and it's kind of my 
problem with albums that are 

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just kind of like this is about 
love. 

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They get a little bit 
repetitive. 

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Yeah. 
I think she does quite well on 

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this record, just like she 
explores a lot of avenues 

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surrounding love. 
But I do find that it tends to 

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get a bit like repetitive like 
you you start to. 

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Yeah, but but like, message of 
this album is almost between the

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lines. 
We're like, you know, every song

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is kind of a love song. 
You can tell she was getting 

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dead down fiercely. 
By Joseph Quinn. 

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Yes, that little British man, 
the God. 

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Yeah, but it's like, you know, 
talking about the frustrations 

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of being in a relationship and 
love and sort of the message of 

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the album is kind of like, 
that's what life is to be loved.

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The trials and tribulations of 
love. 

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Like we're positive to love 
free. 

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Love free. 
Love. 

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But yeah, I would say the song 
is like the first like point of 

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the album where I'm like, OK, 
OK, we didn't go into gorgeous. 

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It's catchy. 
I like it. 

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I really like the writing. 
I have written down paying 

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homage to attention with the 
first opener, Look at me, Yeah, 

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Look at Me, in which both songs 
that she's discussing her 

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appearance. 
It is it is quite similar in 

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terms of the songwriting between
both songs. 

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That was kind of one thing I 
noticed. 

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Other than that, yeah, it is 
just like a I'm beautiful, but 

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like, it's so hard to be a woman
in public media. 

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Yeah, Yeah, I like the song. 
Yeah. 

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And yeah, hats on so many notes 
in like a really interwoven, 

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clever way, which is why I like 
this one so much. 

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And again, earworm, Yeah. 
Yeah, no, I I did find myself 

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humming this one a lot, and it 
does have. 

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You tap in your foot. 
And then it does have the love 

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aspect when she's talking about 
like cosmetic surgery and saying

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like, my man loves me both ways.
So it doesn't like, shut the 

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fuck up. 
Like, yeah, no, I I did like 

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this one. 
And also like to, in a song, 

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calling yourself gorgeous, 
openly admit to succumbing to 

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the pressures of society, 
judging your body and being 

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like, yeah, I did get surgery 
because people are telling me my

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body looked weird and that's why
I got surgery. 

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And you know, it doesn't matter.
And also being like I look like 

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my family and not trying to 
flex, like still being like I 

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didn't change everybody so 
ridiculously. 

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Where? 
I'm unrecognizable and I still 

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like, love the way that I look 
because I still look like my 

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family. 
Yeah, it is a really good 

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riddance. 
Yeah, and also to shout out that

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firstly, the entire concept of 
the music video being like those

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80s infomercials commercials, 
like so good, yes, so good. 

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And then also featuring her mum,
Gorgeous. 

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No, literally gorgeous. 
Yeah, that the song is 

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definitely growing on me. 
But then we go into Stranger. 

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I think Stranger for me is her 
Best Song Ever. 

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Like, I Whoa, that's crazy. 
I absolutely love the song. 

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A reminder of a song from the 
Pretenders. 

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Do you know them? 
I can pretend. 

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It's I kind of like I listened 
to them a lot as a kid and it 

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was like Facebook sounds like 
this is like a pretend a song. 

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It's like so beautiful. 
It's for so much like 

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unconditional love. 
Yeah. 

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Just being weird together with a
partner like Oh my God I I love 

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it so. 
Much and also it links in I 

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think a couple songs before the 
song or it might be after song. 

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It's hard to tell because I was 
listening to the oven, but there

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was this motif of like her 
calling someone hey stranger. 

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Or a stranger. 
And also her being seen in 

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between the last time of this 
one was Joseph Quinn who is made

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famous by Stranger Things and. 
Like, and then there's a mention

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of what's that line? 
I mean like a queer. 

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And obviously it could be a 
reference to Queer Eye or it 

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could be like I saw I, I don't 
know if it was like a note or 

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something. 
I saw where it's like queer love

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is so unconditional and there 
tends to be like just no faults 

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or anything. 
And I think you're kind of 

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looking in there and like using 
it as like, really beautiful, 

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you know? 
This is my favorite song on the 

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album. 
I love this one so much. 

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The music video is insane. 
I I think for sure one of her 

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best music videos. 
That's just. 

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The Best Song Ever from here. 
I love it so much and just. 

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Firstly, as someone whose drag 
name is Maria Richmond and I 

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love, I love wedding dresses, I 
love bridal like look after look

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gorgeous, like visually, that 
entire music video stunning. 

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Like I I can't say that I would 
have wanted this to be the lead 

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single because I do like Jealous
type, but this song in the music

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video as a whole as the lead 
single could have been. 

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Like groundbreaking again. 
I it's almost weird that she did

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the album covers reverse and 
then released this music video 

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last when she could have 
announced or done this music 

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video first because it starts 
with like the visual of the 

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album cover, like her hanging in
a parachute with a wedding dress

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on. 
And I feel like that would have 

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like, I don't know if it would 
have drawn more people in, but I

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feel like it would have like 
connected more to the story of. 

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Yeah. 
The world she's trying to 

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create, yeah. 
Yeah, I don't. 

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I I don't. 
But it might be that we just 

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love the song. 
Yeah, Yeah. 

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From here on out, that is where 
my notes start getting just a 

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bit repetitive. 
Like our next song is all mine 

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and I kind of just have, Yeah, 
vibey atmospheric production. 

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Yeah. 
For me, this is kind of where it

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does get a little bit 
repetitive. 

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Like I can't, I don't know if I 
can remember a lot of these 

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songs. 
Yeah. 

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I honestly don't have much to 
say on All Mine. 

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Yeah. 
You know, I mean, I like it. 

394
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Yeah, there's. 
Not much to sounds nice. 

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Yeah, yeah, like, like I said, 
it's like the second-half of the

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album. 
It's kind of just like it. 

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It's, it's kind of like a chill 
listening experience where it's,

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it's almost background music. 
Yeah, you can definitely tell. 

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Like it's a, it's a shift in 
inspiration for sure. 

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I'm getting like the Mary Jane's
like, you know, girl groupie 

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more like slower R&B reference 
again. 

402
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But like, yeah, it's definitely 
a shift. 

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Yeah, I think also just coming 
off of Stranger, yeah, it was 

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going to be hard to have like a 
song that I I. 

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Almost would have loved Stranger
to be the last song, but I do 

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love the last song. 
We'll get there. 

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We'll get. 
There, we didn't go on to take 

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me dancing with Scissor Mother 
Scissor. 

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Yeah, I like this one. 
It's it's a. 

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Fun song. 
I will say this song is the one 

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that made me realize the 
repetitive nature of the 

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structure of these songs, and I 
feel like that could be due to 

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Dojo being the lead writer on 
all the songs, but it's almost 

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in every other song. 
But this one pretty much has 

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been Dojo singing. 
And then she gets the second 

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verse and then she raps a little
bit and she's back bridge chorus

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done. 
Yeah, it was very formulaic, 

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which to recruit I didn't really
notice until this song where 

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because she has a feature, it's 
like shaken up a bit. 

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And it's because Scissor does 
the hook and then also does like

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a little melodic singing. 
Rap. 

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But yeah, yeah, I I kind of 
noticed her like almost straight

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away. 
It was to a point where I was 

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like predictable, where I was 
like, she's going to sing the 

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first verse and the second verse
kind of like, okay, yeah, I do 

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like the song. 
Yeah, it's. 

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Yeah, but again, it only really 
hit for me when she changed it, 

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that I was like, oh, all the 
other songs were the same, and 

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now we're getting something 
different. 

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So it was kind of like 
optimistic for the rest of the 

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album. 
Again, she hailed Scissor as the

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siren of the century. 
Do we agree? 

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What is a siren, you know? 
Yeah, I mean. 

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Don't make that detective 
highlight. 

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This is World Cup of me, siren. 
No, Well, with me in terms of 

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like siren music, like my 
examples I would use are like 

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people like Caroline Politik and
Earth either where it's like 

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actual wailing sort of stuff. 
So yeah, to me it is. 

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To me it is like, yeah, like 
whittling. 

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I don't know. 
I feel that's not what I should 

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be using. 
Like when you think of a siren, 

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it's not a kind of doing. 
Not to make this a tech talk or 

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a short. 
Or anything maybe? 

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Okay, look, I'll be honest, the 
the idea of a siren is again, 

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there's that melodic like 
wailing aspect to it. 

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But like they persuade sailors 
to come to their doom. 

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Scissor can't even make me 
listen to her music. 

448
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No, I'm like, I no, she's great 
artist. 

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00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,480
Every song in here, I'm like, 
that's good. 

450
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,560
Yeah, no, I agree. 
That's how I feel like I. 

451
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,960
Don't tune into scissor. 
Siren's not the right word, I 

452
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,160
feel, though she's. 
Insanely talented. 

453
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,720
Yeah, but not a siren. 
No. 

454
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:24,600
We gone to Lipstein. 
Yeah, I think it's not even what

455
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,680
is it about this part of the 
album, because I feel like the 

456
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:32,640
method and the methodical nature
of the structure has changed at 

457
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:40,360
this point and but I'm less able
to distinguish these songs in 

458
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,520
all those songs at the start 
where they had the same 

459
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:43,960
structure. 
It's like what I said before, 

460
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,800
well, for me anyway. 
With albums that tend to just be

461
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:51,960
about love, it's like you can 
only do so much 'cause I think 

462
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:56,680
this album's 15 songs it. 
Feels like 12. 

463
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,200
I feel like it goes by so fast. 
It's like only like 40 something

464
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:02,320
minutes. 
Yeah. 

465
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,280
But no, because when I was like 
trying to do notes for the 

466
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,040
second-half, I was like, how 
long is that one? 

467
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,040
OK, 15 songs. 
That is kind of a lot of songs. 

468
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,600
But I think it is just like 
she's hit all the points of the 

469
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,840
first half and then we kind of 
we kind of start repeating a 

470
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,240
little bit. 
This is a bit like the 

471
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:21,960
second-half is a bit more like 
lighthearted. 

472
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,080
And there are some like, fun pop
songs on this. 

473
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,640
But yeah, for me, it was just 
kind of hard to stay trimmed in.

474
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,160
Like I can't even remember lip 
staying. 

475
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:40,000
Yeah, it's, it's hard because 
it's almost as though there's 

476
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:46,760
like 80s frequency attunement 
they've been locked into and 

477
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:51,080
we've been trained to like 
perceive it as like lo fi tune 

478
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:51,960
out. 
Yeah. 

479
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,080
So it's like our brains just 
tune out. 

480
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,800
Yeah, like, yeah, like it's not 
bad. 

481
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,200
But also like I said, and it's 
kind of just like background 

482
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,000
music. 
Well, the second-half anyway. 

483
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,920
Like there are differently, like
I said, the pop songs and like 

484
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,520
they like pull you back in like 
silly, fun, absolutely love. 

485
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,560
Love. 
Her delivery of the summer I 

486
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,800
didn't like. 
It's so witty, it's so fun. 

487
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,320
It's upbeat, the song, Yeah, 
pull me back in. 

488
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,320
And I was like, oh, OK, wait, 
let me like turn back in. 

489
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,480
No, I love silly fun. 
Silly fun. 

490
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,440
Such a good song. 
Yes, such a good song banger. 

491
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:33,240
Yeah, this again. 
Not not to like distinguish 

492
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,280
between the songs or anything, 
but this one really like joked 

493
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:38,680
you back in. 
It's like, oh, make sure you 

494
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,080
listen again. 
Yes, yes, I love silly fun. 

495
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:46,640
And then we go to Access service
and I'm tuned out again. 

496
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,800
I don't. 
Know if I'm tuned out like I 

497
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,480
like, like I enjoyed all these 
songs. 

498
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,840
Yeah, when I was saying tuned 
out, there is not one song on 

499
00:29:55,840 --> 00:30:02,880
this album that I dislike. 
But then there are songs where 

500
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,640
it's like a midpoint and I'm 
just like. 

501
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:12,520
Yeah, I think especially by this
point, yeah, it's not that I 

502
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:18,440
might just be the Grinch so 
many, but like, I'm not a person

503
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:23,480
who entertains romantics or 
gestures like that. 

504
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,800
I I'd gotten by this point that 
I was like, OK, so it's about 

505
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,240
Joseph Quinn. 
Like, you know, they've been 

506
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:33,480
seen together, blah, blah, 
whatever. 

507
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,240
And I got to this point, I was 
like, how much do you like him? 

508
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,600
Like honestly, songs like Are We
for Real? 

509
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,080
Like even me being in my first 
relationship and I was like, 

510
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:51,800
this album sounds for me. 
Like it was literally like I was

511
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,360
sat there just going like, does 
the key to affect me? 

512
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,240
I'm your girlfriend? 
I was like, are you, What are we

513
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:02,320
doing here? 
Yeah, yeah, I. 

514
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,960
Like I I get that the 
romanticism makes it more 

515
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:12,000
juvenile or whatever, yes. 
It's not. 

516
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,400
For me. 
Yeah, like I said before, it's 

517
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:19,160
just kind of like we keep saying
the same stuff over and over. 

518
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,880
Yeah, like Make It Up, which is 
the next song I can't even 

519
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,520
remember. 
Like I I'd have no memory of 

520
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,720
that song. 
I'm sure it was great. 

521
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,520
She was the atmospheric and 
song, well, wooden, and she 

522
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,360
delivered. 
It well if we Make Love, would I

523
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:40,520
make it up to you? 
Yeah, I do really like. 

524
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:41,920
This was a really repent of a 
song. 

525
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:46,160
I do remember writing that down.
Yeah, moving on to one more 

526
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:51,480
time, which I really liked. 
Fun production, Yeah. 

527
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:53,680
Fun writing. 
Like it's. 

528
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:59,080
Yeah, yeah. 
I, I honestly feel like yeah, 

529
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,320
one more time, then happy, then 
come back. 

530
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,760
This is kind of Yeah. 
We're not so the same. 

531
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:08,840
It's not Yeah, like I said, it's
not bad. 

532
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,040
It's just a little bit 
repetitive. 

533
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,480
Yeah, we're, we're not going to 
go through and like try to force

534
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,600
commentary on each individual 
song here. 

535
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,080
Yeah, I I do really like the 
last song. 

536
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,320
I don't want to. 
It doesn't even. 

537
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,400
Like a little bit like of a 
sweatshop. 

538
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:30,160
And maybe that's 'cause there's 
so much that I was OK, So I 

539
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,920
appreciate that. 
But yeah. 

540
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,880
Yeah, I think it was. 
It was honestly multiple times 

541
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:43,840
where again, listening to the 
album repeat, I'd be like, Oh 

542
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,800
yeah, what's the song? 
And then I'd look kind of like, 

543
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,920
oh, that's cards. 
We're back to the South, right? 

544
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,560
Right. 
No, it did take me a few times 

545
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:57,320
to kind of remember the stars. 
Like I honestly like the 

546
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,240
second-half of the album. 
I don't think I could 

547
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:07,360
distinguish songs apart from my 
silly fun One More Time, but 

548
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:11,200
yes, I. 
Mean, yeah, if nothing else, I 

549
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:17,200
think these songs are going to 
be, I don't want to even say 

550
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,280
fodder because that's a bit 
rude. 

551
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:24,200
They're going to be good 
sprinkled out in a tour. 

552
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,400
I'm just glad she has more songs
to perform. 

553
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,840
And you know what? 
They'll be sprinkled out 

554
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,640
through. 
She'll be doing her hits as 

555
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,000
well. 
I'm sure it'll be great. 

556
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,960
I would like to see her kind of 
told about every song. 

557
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,920
Yeah, she. 
I feel like the promo leading up

558
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,160
to this album was practically 
nonexistent. 

559
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,680
It's almost as though her team 
was like, ah, Taylor Swift's 

560
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,400
releasing the week after we're 
giving up. 

561
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,360
Yes, because a lot of these 
things, she's an interviewer. 

562
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:58,080
Saying hello, she didn't go on 
like any of the late night. 

563
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,240
We feel the late nights having a
bit of a bit. 

564
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:04,280
Of a weird She's doing it now. 
Yeah, right. 

565
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,360
Before Taylor Swift comes in, 
tsunamis everything away. 

566
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,480
But like, everything I've seen 
is just the same. 

567
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,320
This album's about love and 
falling in love. 

568
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:20,280
And it's like, OK, like, I, I 
don't know, I like, I guess 

569
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,520
that's fine, that like, I want 
more. 

570
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,480
It's fine, good enough like. 
It's also really, I don't want 

571
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:34,360
to say the production, like, 
carries a lot of it, but I 

572
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:39,400
almost want to say I would have 
rather her waited until she had 

573
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,719
more interesting topics to sing 
about. 

574
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,199
Yes. 
Like, don't get me wrong, this 

575
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:47,239
album can mostly be about love. 
Yeah, but you know, some of the 

576
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,360
songs I'm like that would have 
been so more impactful if it had

577
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:51,840
been about something other than 
love. 

578
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,120
Yes, amongst all the love. 
Songs, yes well, 'cause I just 

579
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:59,600
felt like the first half like 
does the topic so well and then 

580
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:04,480
we yeah, it just gets about 
repeated a bit boring, which is 

581
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:10,840
a shame 'cause like I kind of 
hold Doja Cat's ability like 

582
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,680
when people was from out like 
the next Lady Gaga or who holds 

583
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,040
a candle Lady Gaga. 
I would say Doja Cat. 

584
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,760
Gaga. 
Well, I think it's just like 

585
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,080
when you think of what makes 
Lady Gaga so successful, it's 

586
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,560
how theatrical she is and how 
she's able to deliver a concept 

587
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,640
visually and musically and 
theatrically, yes. 

588
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,680
And I think sense of grandeur 
and performance. 

589
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,920
Yeah, and I feel like Doja Cat's
kind of the only one at the 

590
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,160
moment that's doing. 
It's it's so funny because I was

591
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:43,480
just, you know, scrolling TikTok
the other day and I was watching

592
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,000
just, you know, popcorn 
performances like my and I took 

593
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:51,480
feeders and the only like 
there's only a few people in 

594
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,520
this in industry at the moment 
that are keeping up with their 

595
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,920
dancers. 
And I would say that Beyoncé is 

596
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,480
always 100% there. 
Lady Gaga is always 100% there. 

597
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:07,160
Tate McRae, She's there, yeah. 
She's she's dancing for sure. 

598
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,800
Tate McRae and Beyoncé. 
No then. 

599
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,560
Well. 
Let's be real, Tate Mcrae's 

600
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:17,720
dances aren't do Beyoncé's 
dances but the other is not 

601
00:36:17,720 --> 00:36:19,480
doing what type of guy's doing. 
That's whatever. 

602
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:20,680
But. 
She's keeping up. 

603
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,800
She's keeping up. 
And then the only other person I

604
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,480
can really think of is Dosha 
Cat. 

605
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:32,000
She like can dance dances 'cause
I think Chapel also hits that 

606
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,960
like theatricality, grandeur, 
like production side of it. 

607
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,000
But I think yeah, people and. 
She's like a performer, but it's

608
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,520
not the same. 
Like, she's not, you know, I 

609
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:47,600
won't be doing any whatever 
choreo she's performing right 

610
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,280
now in 10 years. 
Like I can still do the fucking 

611
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:52,520
Judas. 
Yeah. 

612
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,080
Well, I just think people 
overlook what makes Lady Gaga so

613
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:57,840
successful. 
And they were just like, dumb it

614
00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,440
down to she's a pop star. 
Yeah. 

615
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,000
And she's so much more to than 
that. 

616
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:06,520
And there's so much more detail 
to why she makes it successful 

617
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:07,840
because everyone wants to be a 
pop star. 

618
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:12,080
But it's like, do you know 
actually how to like how to do 

619
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:12,760
that? 
Yeah. 

620
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,440
And they just kind. 
Of if you want to be the very 

621
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,680
best, you've got to catch more, 
yeah, you've got to have the 

622
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,600
Pokémon germs, you've got to 
click the badges, you've got to 

623
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,560
go beat the Elite 4. 
There's just so much to it and I

624
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,560
feel like the only person who 
comes close there at the moment 

625
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,120
is Doshi Cat. 
Yeah, I think particularly when 

626
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:33,960
it comes to like writing, 
producing and vocally as well. 

627
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,800
Piece of love to my sister McRae
but Don't Care. 

628
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,480
Could be the next big one. 
Yes. 

629
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:44,000
Well, I think the when people 
are trying to label the next big

630
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:49,240
pop star or the next Lady Gaga, 
they forget that it's taken her 

631
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,800
like 10 to 15 years to kind of 
be recognised. 

632
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,720
Yeah, it's always like so quick 
to be like debut album. 

633
00:37:57,720 --> 00:37:59,680
Oh, this kind of hits the notes 
of The Fame. 

634
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,600
She's the next Gaga. 
And it it just wasn't like that.

635
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,600
You know. 
Like, as much as the fame as a 

636
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,720
really excellent album even. 
There's just so much fame. 

637
00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:12,640
Monster Born This Way. 
Yeah, She still wasn't 

638
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,320
solidified. 
Born This Way. 

639
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,520
And then R Pop came along and 
the normies left. 

640
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,680
Yeah, and they've only just come
back. 

641
00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:23,880
Yes, literally, like literally 
just yeah. 

642
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:29,760
But that's why like with Dozier 
Cat, even though she might have 

643
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:36,080
not fully made a a pop Bible or 
whatever, like super successful 

644
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:40,080
album of this one. 
I yeah, I, I think she's got 2 

645
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:41,400
in her catalog. 
Yeah. 

646
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:46,880
It's just, it's not like. 
I can appreciate the concepts 

647
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:51,360
that she wanted to do and she 
has executed it quite well. 

648
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:55,200
Yeah, but I think that goes back
to what we were talking about 

649
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:59,640
before where, you know, she's or
the industry's trying to find a 

650
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,920
unique sound or the direction of
the next sound. 

651
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:07,320
And she's swung really big and 
it's like, it's just not what 

652
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:12,120
people wanted to hear right now.
I think there's also she's kind 

653
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:17,280
of rediscovering A fanbase 
because obviously I I mean, I 

654
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:21,680
would still consider her a rap 
girl, but she was in that John, 

655
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:27,080
not John, right, But that like 
that fanbase, you know, we have 

656
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:28,640
the bars, we have Cardi B 
stands. 

657
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:33,840
It was like that world, and I 
think she's not like that. 

658
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:41,240
Maybe she's not like that. 
I I just don't think she's doing

659
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,760
pure rap music. 
No, totally. 

660
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:48,200
And you can see it here that 
she's, and I think she's seen it

661
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,360
in interviews. 
She's a rapper who makes pop 

662
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:51,280
music. 
Yeah. 

663
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,560
Like she uses rapping as a tool 
in her arsenal. 

664
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,520
Yeah. 
And that's 'cause she has the 

665
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,400
ability to do it. 
Like I think it's. 

666
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,080
And the same way that Beyoncé 
does, Yeah, I think Beyoncé's a 

667
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:02,160
rapper. 
That is pop music. 

668
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:06,200
Yeah, I like, I think it's this 
like tricky, like like 

669
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,440
switchover that she's 
experiencing at the moment where

670
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:14,520
it's like rap fans aren't really
into her and then pure pop fans 

671
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,840
are like just discovering her 
sort of thing. 

672
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,880
Yeah, I feel like it's so weird 
because I feel like the Pop fans

673
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:26,880
were tuned in for Planet her, 
especially after popping Yeah 

674
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:31,120
and pace in love to my sister. 
Respect your decisions, 

675
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,720
whatever, but she really did 
wipe the slave with. 

676
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:40,240
Scarlett she she does have a 
habit of also being like, I hate

677
00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:44,880
you guys like so. 
You say that but she is so 

678
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,880
interactive. 
Are you guys on lies? 

679
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,520
I never had a problem with her 
explicitly being like. 

680
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:52,760
Showing feet in racial chat 
rooms. 

681
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:01,080
I I never had a problem with 
her, kind of like telling her 

682
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,200
fans like shut the fuck up sort 
of thing. 

683
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:08,120
But unfortunately, that does 
leave a bad taste in people's 

684
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,360
mouth. 
It's it's so weird because at a 

685
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:16,120
certain point as a pop star, you
do have to feed the lions in the

686
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,440
cage. 
And when I remember there's you 

687
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:23,320
have to look at these 
ridiculously over invested 

688
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:29,160
people who are your fan base. 
And I think she did actually 

689
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,000
nail her on the head when she 
was like, you guys don't even 

690
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,280
know me, Like you only think you
know me. 

691
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,120
You think you love me. 
You've actually got no I fucking

692
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:42,960
idea. 
And I think that concept kind of

693
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,000
detached her from her own 
fanbase in a way that was like, 

694
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,640
you guys wouldn't even fucking 
care if like, yeah, I didn't do 

695
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:54,280
this anymore. 
You just go on and like find the

696
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,440
next person. 
Well, that's like Dosa care is 

697
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,280
in. 
I don't know if it's a fortunate

698
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:02,680
situation, but she's in this 
situation of having going from a

699
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:06,760
really small dedicated fanbase 
within like the social media era

700
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,600
to, yeah, a big commercial 
fanbase. 

701
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:16,360
And I think it's, I've seen a 
lot of artists talk about it 

702
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,600
like they have started really 
small and they always tend to 

703
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,760
miss it. 
Even Lady Gaga has said, like I 

704
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:26,960
do kind of miss when I had a 
small intimate fan base because 

705
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,800
it just feels a bit normal. 
And you, you get that sort of 

706
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,360
gratification of like I, my 
music's been appreciated, my 

707
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,920
art's been appreciated. 
And it's not this huge global 

708
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,240
scale. 
And I think Doja doesn't like 

709
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:43,480
the huge global scale of it. 
Recently there's I don't want to

710
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,720
say it's a phenomenon, but there
was this one big Twitch streamer

711
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:54,400
who went like fully new Twitch 
account, no, like video 

712
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:59,120
completely separate from their 
own algorithm like started from 

713
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,080
fresh just to be like, what 
would it be like to be a small 

714
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,120
streamer again? 
And they were fully like, this 

715
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,160
is impossible. 
Like I don't understand how 

716
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,480
people do this. 
Like I did not have a single 

717
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:17,560
viewer for the three hours. 
And I feel like there's almost 

718
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,480
this like philosophical 
conversation to be had. 

719
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:26,360
That's like if Lady Gaga or Doge
Cat or someone super big like 

720
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:32,200
change themselves enough to be 
unrecognisable and then start it

721
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:38,600
again, would they be able to 
like start fresh and then from 

722
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,800
their own talent do it again? 
And I feel like that's always 

723
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:47,200
the philosophical question when 
you're a big pop star is did I 

724
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:51,400
just get lucky? 
Did someone pull the strings and

725
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,320
now I'm a big pop star, or am I 
here of my own validity, my own 

726
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,600
critter? 
And I feel like that's like the 

727
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:03,840
imposter syndrome talking. 
And I feel like that is kind of 

728
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,640
what they don't actually want to
be a small artist. 

729
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,960
They want to feel appreciated in
a way that's not like 

730
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:16,560
detachable, like, you know, 
being a fucking drag queen who 

731
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,960
performs for a Max of 100 people
in a bar. 

732
00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:22,120
People come up to me afterwards,
like, you were so good. 

733
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,960
They always feel good. 
But like, I can understand the 

734
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:31,760
like thousands of fans all 
screaming at it starts to feel 

735
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,960
like noise because it's like an 
echo chamber. 

736
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:38,840
But it would be interesting to 
see. 

737
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:43,160
Don't you get like, like and and
then like? 

738
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,120
Didn't the weekend do something 
similar? 

739
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,360
You see he's. 
Going by his real name, I don't 

740
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:52,040
know what he's doing there. 
But it is like I, I don't know 

741
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:57,800
if he's like changing the 
weekend to yeah, Abel, or if 

742
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,120
he's like completely starting 
again. 

743
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,600
Yeah, I, I don't know where 
that's going at the moment, but 

744
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,200
I, yeah, I do agree with you 
like. 

745
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,600
But also, I think that there's a
chance that if Beyoncé started 

746
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:14,680
fresh, like no algorithm, no 
connections, nothing, she might 

747
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,480
not make it. 
And I think she's the most 

748
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,800
talented puncher in the world. 
I. 

749
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,960
Think there is a degree of luck 
to it, but unfortunately. 

750
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,920
I do think there's just pure 
luck. 

751
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,720
Yeah, in the same way that I 
think this is a really good 

752
00:45:27,720 --> 00:45:30,640
album, there's no reason it 
should have, you know, not done 

753
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,520
commercially well. 
And it's just like I'm lucky. 

754
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:40,200
Yeah, yeah, like, I, I mean, as 
someone who was doing music and 

755
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,440
like definitely looked into like
how to like get big. 

756
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,880
I guess it just comes down to 
lacking connections. 

757
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,280
And I think for a lot of 
artists, especially big artists 

758
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:56,760
that have experienced the lows 
and then the highs, it's, it's 

759
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:01,920
almost like a humbling feeling 
to like have to accept the fact 

760
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,920
that it was just luck. 
Like you want to so badly be 

761
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,680
like, I got here on my hard 
work, my talent and stuff like 

762
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,600
that. 
And it's not disregarding any of

763
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:14,640
that, unfortunately. 
It is just kind of like you, you

764
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,040
found the connections and luck 
was played. 

765
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,000
And I think that's why some like
artists struggle when they then 

766
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,720
go low like with sales or 
whatever, because they're like, 

767
00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:27,400
well, I work harder on this one.
I put more effort into this one.

768
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,560
Why is this one not doing it? 
And you know it's. 

769
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:34,560
Just, I mean, I think that also 
speaks to like the necessity of 

770
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:41,200
artistic integrity where I hope 
this doesn't affect her creative

771
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:45,520
process or anything at all. 
I hope she just goes well, at 

772
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,280
least I was proud of her and I 
can. 

773
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:51,120
And I think she will because I 
think she experienced this sort 

774
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:55,000
of low in terms of commercial 
success with Scarlett didn't. 

775
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,800
I feel like that this. 
I kind of only had one hurt in 

776
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,400
the album itself didn't perform 
super well. 

777
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,320
That's so I I feel like. 
In a society. 

778
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:13,080
Yeah, I like, I think she's not 
upset or anything. 

779
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,880
I mean we've seen on their 
Twitter who who joking around 

780
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,680
about it. 
But yeah, I think it's a good 

781
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:25,880
album, maybe a great album, not 
an excellent album. 

782
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:31,120
Yeah, I just realised we haven't
rated an album in so. 

783
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,240
Long Well, we, we, we were on 
and off for a bit. 

784
00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:38,360
We were there for a second, so 
apologies for missing the other 

785
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,920
week. 
So what should we rate this 

786
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,080
album? 
I can't remember that. 

787
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:48,120
Oh, I I know what mine is. 
Employed. 

788
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,080
That's four stars, isn't it? 
Employees. 

789
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:57,040
Four stars. 
Wait no, is it promoted 4 stars?

790
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,560
Promote it's five stars. 
Right. 

791
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,080
Yes, I think. 
And then I think they're. 

792
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,280
Yeah, No, because three stars is
casual, two stars is staff 

793
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:10,400
meeting, one stars. 
Adam Blue, what do we call that?

794
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:11,920
OK, Yeah. 
Fired. 

795
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:13,440
Maybe that was just. 
Fine. 

796
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:17,480
Oh God, I kind of remember Cat. 
Yeah. 

797
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,680
It's weird because I don't want 
to be any less locked into Doja 

798
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,280
Cat. 
No, I think she's a phenomenal 

799
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,440
artist and I think I'll be just 
excited for the next album. 

800
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:36,400
So it's definitely not below 3. 
But also this hasn't like waned 

801
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,440
any of my interest in any of her
future products either. 

802
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,320
I feel like I'll be exactly as 
excited for the next one as I 

803
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,520
was. 
For the no yeah, same that yeah,

804
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,080
I'm pretty confident with four 
stars employed. 

805
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:55,480
I'm turned in, you know, I value
her. 

806
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:58,200
I value what? 
She brings. 

807
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,600
You're so welcome. 
So values you. 

808
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:05,600
I employed you, Yeah. 
No, I I think a good four stars 

809
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,560
for her is what I'm going to 
give. 

810
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:20,040
I'm just like I, I almost want 
to say 3 casual contract only 

811
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,520
because I'm not going to be any 
more turned into those again. 

812
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:26,960
I'm not going to be any less 
again. 

813
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,920
The like in and out of 
consciousness. 

814
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:34,760
Even listening to this album, I 
don't want to be like 4. 

815
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:37,800
You can get a casual contract 
for this one. 

816
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,800
Like you haven't lost any 
favour, you haven't gained any. 

817
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:46,840
Yeah, I think the stranger alone
has bumped it up. 

818
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,160
It's like I say, it's my 
favorite song by her. 

819
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,400
Yeah, I. 
Would I give it a 3.5? 

820
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,440
Yeah, somewhere between casual 
contract. 

821
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,160
Yeah, part time. 
Yeah, part time. 

822
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,000
She's like your favorite casual.
She's Oh my God. 

823
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,840
Doja let's. 
Call 9:00 and and she's there. 

824
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,760
I'm like thank. 
God, yes, Yeah. 

825
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,600
Well, that's the end of the 
episode. 

826
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:11,880
Oh my God, Oh my gosh. 
Yeah, we will see you next time 

827
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,440
with a very special, special 
episode. 

828
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:19,160
Yes. 
Yes, and reminder that if you're

829
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:22,360
listening to this podcast right 
now and you want to see my 

830
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,680
gorgeous, gorgeous return to the
visual. 

831
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:26,120
Video drag. 
Yes, yes. 

832
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:30,080
Talk about the numbers. 
Look like you look different. 

833
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,320
OK, that's OK. 
Yeah, podcast. 

834
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,280
The podcast is a bit like is she
a burn Victor? 

835
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,280
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836
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,320
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