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behaviour how we doing today excellent so good you look a
little different. I do look a little different.
Little fun, little fierce, very fierce.
Like 80s yes. In honour of what we're
reviewing today, my. Dear yes, we are doing Doja Cat
the the Viva la France. We're in Paris.
Salah. Yes, yeah, we're doing Dosha Cat
B Yeah, no, I'm very excited to do Miss Dosha Cat.
I've been looking forward to this album for a while.
And yeah, what what are our overall first impressions of the
project? I mean, I think it would be
remiss to not talk about our first impression of the project,
which would be the jealous type music video.
Yes, Girl. Jealous type as a whole was
insane. Amazing.
Literally just it's like pop perfection but then it's mixed
with rap. The visuals are stunning.
She fully like encompasses the aesthetic while also repeating
the same things I did before the Kylie rave.
So it's like like all the time, but it's modern like, but it's.
New but. It's classic.
Yeah. No, I absolutely love jealous
type. Yeah.
I. An amazing song.
Instant earworm. Yeah, so clear and it's
references. Yes, I'm afraid to reference or
not. Reference.
Yes. And unfortunately, in a general
public sense that didn't perform as well as I thought it would.
I feel like that's just because we were obsessed with it
instantly. So should everyone help?
It's. It's scratched some part of our.
Brain, we are right? Well, yeah, we.
Yeah. Why?
As no one agrees. And I'll take this opportunity
to say we've been listening to this album non-stop in
preparation for this. So so you're welcome Amela for
the stream. Yeah, they were not under the
couch, they were under. The couch we must surely be
what, 5? Percent of strangers yes, no,
it's it's really surprised me how I don't see under what no
use it as underperformed because I really did think this whole
album would blow up. But then when I remember back to
like Planet her release, it wasn't that big of a debut.
I think she is like a grower. I also feel like Planet her got
a lot of singles and a lot of performances.
Scarlett got a lot of performances that like really
got people's attention and it was really contested pop culture
wise. Like Oh my God what is she doing
with this new era? It was bold of her to just do
jealous type pre release right? Yes.
Or did gorgeous come out weak of?
Gorgeous came out. No.
Was it day of? Yeah.
It's like the primer single, but then I mean nowadays singles
because it was like the whole like late single, primer single,
second single doesn't really matter anymore.
I think because of the streaming era it.
Is just weird though, because I feel like jealous type did get
me so hyped for this album yeah and then it kind of just came
yeah and then it was here yeah. And it sure is here yeah like I,
I really enjoy it. I can see myself like, you know,
saving a few of the songs yes yes.
I can even see myself listening to this project as a whole yeah
'cause you know, I'm an album listener too, my dear, but I
just. I'm a bit gagged by it's.
I don't even want to say underperformance, but mine.
Neither, but like it's it is just like this should be bigger
and I can't even like quite figure out why it's not.
Obviously the state of music at the moment is a bit weird so
that we'll play into it. But yeah, I mean, speaking on
the state of music, it's just, it is, it's so weird.
Top song in the world is a cartoon movie K pop song.
And then we have a lot of like adult contemporary topping the
charts. And yeah, I don't get it.
I don't get it. Yeah, I.
Think even maybe Carter's biggest hit this era is an adult
contemporary like. I mean we've talked in other
episodes about like the industry at the moment, trying to find
the sound cause in the early twenty 20s.
Shout out to our girl Dash Cat. She really found the sound and
honestly, especially how into it I was with Jealous Type.
I expected her to kind of like swing big, knock this out of the
park, redefine music for the next 5 years again, 'cause Post
Say so every other song was like the Say so Renaissance, like
trying to reheat those nachos and it didn't really work until
espresso. Yeah, yeah, 'cause espresso is
the Say So daughter. Oh, yes, yeah, I don't.
Yeah, I think it's just people aren't paying attention anymore.
Well, the general public because yeah, I don't think she's done
anything wrong. You know, she's definitely been
promoting. There's lots of visuals.
I yeah, I can't even be like, she should have done this or
that and maybe would have done this or that.
Yeah. I mean, speaking on visuals, the
multiple variants of the album, 'cause we did not know.
I did not understand that was happening.
No, I when she first announced it, I was like, this is the
album art. And she's like, no, it's not
and. Then she kept.
She did the pillow cover art and she's like, this isn't it
either? See, like if she had done that
and then with every album art released a song, perhaps like, I
would have been like more. Oh, OK, then you know we're
working. Towards it, I feel like the.
Communication in this wasn't, I don't want to say it in every
direction because obviously it very much had a direction, but I
feel like the train was for sure on track.
I was just at the stop and I saw the train get there and I was
like, there goes the train. Yeah, it.
Didn't make me want to get up and get on the train.
No, did get to a point where I was just like okay, like you get
like you are so excited and then it's constant like no, this
isn't it. No, this isn't it.
That's not right. And it was kind of like, OK.
And then the cover did come, and it did cause a bit of a stir.
I feel like it only caused the stir because she kept being
like, this isn't the cover views.
And then we got to it and then people were disappointed.
Yeah, yeah. Which I don't think is
completely fair. I.
I get it. I I definitely get it now after
the stranger music video. I just didn't hear like with a,
you know, we. Can't talk if it's a bit of
worse. Whether it was good or bad, I
don't have an answer for. I was just like OK, but I felt
like a lot of the excitement had been taken away at the like.
I think for me the standard had been built so high.
Like I'm not saying it's a bad cover up, but it's like because
that standard was so high, I was just like, OK, it is what it is.
But yeah, I mean, we should we just get into the track list?
I guess so. Yes, we opened the album with
cards. Player cards, yeah.
I'm gonna say this throughout pretty much almost every song
and the whole album as a whole, the production's amazing.
Yeah. How much did Jack Antonoff
produce? I forgot to check that.
I. For a minute I was like, oh,
Jack, I just did the whole album.
But I don't think you did the whole album.
Yeah, but. It was also just as a a Little
Asterix reference, though Doja Cat wrote every song on this
album. Yes, by herself and it's myself.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Every single song, it's just, yeah, Amela as the writer, yeah.
And she did not advertise that at all.
No. Which is such a flick.
Yes, and it's some of the best program I've ever seen.
Yeah. Like, Oh my God, no, but yet I'm
Prince album. Well, we you get what this album
is about love, you know, finding her, falling into it.
Yeah, production is so like atmospheric and vibe.
See, I upon hearing cards for the first time because we we did
listen to it as it dropped together, I was worried that
each song was just going to be like a reheated nachos carbon
copy of like a production style of a song from the 80s.
Just. Because like, it did sound so
familiar, but listening to the whole project, I've kind of like
come back to cards and like, you know what?
It's not actually a copy of anything.
It's just that every single production choice on this entire
album sounds so familiar, but I can't quite place any single
thing to be like, oh, that's just like this.
Yeah, like they were very. Researched into what songs they
were like taking inspiration from or they just like have a
really breadth knowledge of like 80s production style.
I think they I think they do and it kind of shows in like, I mean
like the the lyric, right? And the production.
It's insane on that one. But when you first listen to
Cards, I was a little bit like, OK, like I said, it's bit of a
grower because yeah, I'm playing your album after listening to
Jealous type, I'm playing the album with Cards.
It was kind of like, OK, but let's jump in.
So I'll say, oh, there's more to come.
Yeah. We didn't go into jealous type,
which. Amazing.
Yeah, literally, I think, I think it's the biggest pop song
on the album. It's anthemic.
It's got vocals, it's got pop hooks.
It's a bit silly. It's a bit fun.
I love a jealousy anthem. No, I love this song.
I don't have much else to say on that.
Yes, I mean, yeah, again, it's just such like a contemporary
take on, again, those classic 80s production sounds.
Yeah, I I can't fault it anywhere.
No, neither. It's love it, love it.
We've been going to our men. Now I will say this now I'm a
production first listener. Like you know how this
production looks. I'm production first listener.
So when I do have to like analyse lyrics, I tend to have
to like pull them up. I struggle to like listen to
when people are like speaking. And this song right on this is
crazy. They just crazy in the sense
it's so clever. Yeah, it's the the song itself
is something Knight Rider, Knight Rider show movie.
I don't. Write it as ATV show.
Yeah, that. So there was that.
She references Keira Knightley. You know, I that is the one
thing I will say about the songwriting on this song in
particular. I actually wasn't obsessed with
it. I think it's just in the wrap,
and I think that kind of emboldens my opinion on it.
And the fact that Keira Knightley is not a hot topic.
No, she's not of the 80s, no. So using her name is kind of
just like, well, it rhymes. I think it's because it's funny.
Or is it funny? Or is it out of place?
Which makes Keira Knightley like, and then another look when
you're finished with your goons is join me in church like, well,
I I just love how witty it is. Is it witty or is it is it a
developed sense of like random haha millennial humor a little
bit makes it a bit cringed out I.
Think it's like brain rot and I love brain rot.
I don't know. I'm not obsessed, I think,
especially when rap to me has such like a strong basis and
like poetry and being so clever. And I've seen Doja be so clever
with her writing before. Again, using this like random
brain rock. Keira Knightley ain't that
funny. I think that's Doja Cat's
personality, especially on the song, which is just kind of
like. Yeah, and she's allowed to have
her. Yeah, she is.
Yeah, I think it would give it tiring if it was like constant
like poetic writing and I think it is.
It doesn't. Have to be poetic, I'm saying,
in the sense of like, you know, the words meaning something.
And I think particularly in this one, the rap and the song, it's
just like, it just doesn't mean anything.
And I get that's part of it. Yeah, apparently samples RuPaul
laugh the song. I still don't hear it.
I hear it, but I couldn't really see it.
I don't. Think it's RuPaul's Laugh I.
Couldn't see a credit for it so I was like maybe it's Doji I.
Don't think it's RuPaul's laugh. It was my first listen.
I was like, this is RuPaul funny and but no I.
Do Well, that's what everyone on Twitter was saying as well,
Yeah. I don't see like a credit or
anything so I. To be fair, I think that would
be like a perfect Twitter troll thing to do would to be hear the
snip of the song, place RuPaul's laugh at it.
Yeah, So that every time when the song actually came out, you
would still hear RuPaul's laugh. Yeah, because I just didn't hear
it at all. I no, it was like literally the
first thing I heard. No, I love the song.
Yeah, it's a good song. Yeah, a different vibe to the
others so far. Like differently a gear shift.
Yeah, again, I watched the Night Rider TV show.
Made me feel a bit retro. I like that, yes.
I have no idea I just saw like a like the cover out the car.
Yeah. So listen Time, I'm not that
much older than by the way, but listen Time.
Knight Rider was a talking car. I think Herbie fully loaded, but
of the 80s. Oh my God.
OK, are. You old enough for Herbie fully
loaded. No.
Oh my gosh. Brum no.
Oh my God, what's an inanimate object that talks?
Like cars? Yeah, like cars, I guess.
But like, yeah, it's like a a computer in a car.
Oh, OK. You know, he's the police
detective. OK.
Yeah. Yeah, Knight Rider.
Knight Rider, Knight Rider. We've been going to couples
therapy. It's a good song, beautifully
written by the production. It's not my cup of tea.
Yeah, it's certainly, you start to see that like 80s and 90s R&B
influence coming this one. Yeah, definitely.
Throughout all the slower songs on this record you can tell she
really heavily like reference Boys to Men and like you know,
the other R&B artists of the 80s and 90s, which really gives like
an authentic interpretation to this 80s choice.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, yeah, definitely.
Like a lot of variation within it.
We're not just getting like zip pop or shit like that.
But yeah, like it's when I say it's not my cup of tea, I'm not
saying it's a bad song or anything.
I just don't see myself playing this one.
Yeah. Do you see this being making
love music? I don't know I was just like but
weird to go to have sex and put a song called couples therapy on
but I feel like it would be a good song to have sex too.
Yeah, there was like a note I did write about this whole
album, and it's kind of my problem with albums that are
just kind of like this is about love.
They get a little bit repetitive.
Yeah. I think she does quite well on
this record, just like she explores a lot of avenues
surrounding love. But I do find that it tends to
get a bit like repetitive like you you start to.
Yeah, but but like, message of this album is almost between the
lines. We're like, you know, every song
is kind of a love song. You can tell she was getting
dead down fiercely. By Joseph Quinn.
Yes, that little British man, the God.
Yeah, but it's like, you know, talking about the frustrations
of being in a relationship and love and sort of the message of
the album is kind of like, that's what life is to be loved.
The trials and tribulations of love.
Like we're positive to love free.
Love free. Love.
But yeah, I would say the song is like the first like point of
the album where I'm like, OK, OK, we didn't go into gorgeous.
It's catchy. I like it.
I really like the writing. I have written down paying
homage to attention with the first opener, Look at me, Yeah,
Look at Me, in which both songs that she's discussing her
appearance. It is it is quite similar in
terms of the songwriting between both songs.
That was kind of one thing I noticed.
Other than that, yeah, it is just like a I'm beautiful, but
like, it's so hard to be a woman in public media.
Yeah, Yeah, I like the song. Yeah.
And yeah, hats on so many notes in like a really interwoven,
clever way, which is why I like this one so much.
And again, earworm, Yeah. Yeah, no, I I did find myself
humming this one a lot, and it does have.
You tap in your foot. And then it does have the love
aspect when she's talking about like cosmetic surgery and saying
like, my man loves me both ways. So it doesn't like, shut the
fuck up. Like, yeah, no, I I did like
this one. And also like to, in a song,
calling yourself gorgeous, openly admit to succumbing to
the pressures of society, judging your body and being
like, yeah, I did get surgery because people are telling me my
body looked weird and that's why I got surgery.
And you know, it doesn't matter. And also being like I look like
my family and not trying to flex, like still being like I
didn't change everybody so ridiculously.
Where? I'm unrecognizable and I still
like, love the way that I look because I still look like my
family. Yeah, it is a really good
riddance. Yeah, and also to shout out that
firstly, the entire concept of the music video being like those
80s infomercials commercials, like so good, yes, so good.
And then also featuring her mum, Gorgeous.
No, literally gorgeous. Yeah, that the song is
definitely growing on me. But then we go into Stranger.
I think Stranger for me is her Best Song Ever.
Like, I Whoa, that's crazy. I absolutely love the song.
A reminder of a song from the Pretenders.
Do you know them? I can pretend.
It's I kind of like I listened to them a lot as a kid and it
was like Facebook sounds like this is like a pretend a song.
It's like so beautiful. It's for so much like
unconditional love. Yeah.
Just being weird together with a partner like Oh my God I I love
it so. Much and also it links in I
think a couple songs before the song or it might be after song.
It's hard to tell because I was listening to the oven, but there
was this motif of like her calling someone hey stranger.
Or a stranger. And also her being seen in
between the last time of this one was Joseph Quinn who is made
famous by Stranger Things and. Like, and then there's a mention
of what's that line? I mean like a queer.
And obviously it could be a reference to Queer Eye or it
could be like I saw I, I don't know if it was like a note or
something. I saw where it's like queer love
is so unconditional and there tends to be like just no faults
or anything. And I think you're kind of
looking in there and like using it as like, really beautiful,
you know? This is my favorite song on the
album. I love this one so much.
The music video is insane. I I think for sure one of her
best music videos. That's just.
The Best Song Ever from here. I love it so much and just.
Firstly, as someone whose drag name is Maria Richmond and I
love, I love wedding dresses, I love bridal like look after look
gorgeous, like visually, that entire music video stunning.
Like I I can't say that I would have wanted this to be the lead
single because I do like Jealous type, but this song in the music
video as a whole as the lead single could have been.
Like groundbreaking again. I it's almost weird that she did
the album covers reverse and then released this music video
last when she could have announced or done this music
video first because it starts with like the visual of the
album cover, like her hanging in a parachute with a wedding dress
on. And I feel like that would have
like, I don't know if it would have drawn more people in, but I
feel like it would have like connected more to the story of.
Yeah. The world she's trying to
create, yeah. Yeah, I don't.
I I don't. But it might be that we just
love the song. Yeah, Yeah.
From here on out, that is where my notes start getting just a
bit repetitive. Like our next song is all mine
and I kind of just have, Yeah, vibey atmospheric production.
Yeah. For me, this is kind of where it
does get a little bit repetitive.
Like I can't, I don't know if I can remember a lot of these
songs. Yeah.
I honestly don't have much to say on All Mine.
Yeah. You know, I mean, I like it.
Yeah, there's. Not much to sounds nice.
Yeah, yeah, like, like I said, it's like the second-half of the
album. It's kind of just like it.
It's, it's kind of like a chill listening experience where it's,
it's almost background music. Yeah, you can definitely tell.
Like it's a, it's a shift in inspiration for sure.
I'm getting like the Mary Jane's like, you know, girl groupie
more like slower R&B reference again.
But like, yeah, it's definitely a shift.
Yeah, I think also just coming off of Stranger, yeah, it was
going to be hard to have like a song that I I.
Almost would have loved Stranger to be the last song, but I do
love the last song. We'll get there.
We'll get. There, we didn't go on to take
me dancing with Scissor Mother Scissor.
Yeah, I like this one. It's it's a.
Fun song. I will say this song is the one
that made me realize the repetitive nature of the
structure of these songs, and I feel like that could be due to
Dojo being the lead writer on all the songs, but it's almost
in every other song. But this one pretty much has
been Dojo singing. And then she gets the second
verse and then she raps a little bit and she's back bridge chorus
done. Yeah, it was very formulaic,
which to recruit I didn't really notice until this song where
because she has a feature, it's like shaken up a bit.
And it's because Scissor does the hook and then also does like
a little melodic singing. Rap.
But yeah, yeah, I I kind of noticed her like almost straight
away. It was to a point where I was
like predictable, where I was like, she's going to sing the
first verse and the second verse kind of like, okay, yeah, I do
like the song. Yeah, it's.
Yeah, but again, it only really hit for me when she changed it,
that I was like, oh, all the other songs were the same, and
now we're getting something different.
So it was kind of like optimistic for the rest of the
album. Again, she hailed Scissor as the
siren of the century. Do we agree?
What is a siren, you know? Yeah, I mean.
Don't make that detective highlight.
This is World Cup of me, siren. No, Well, with me in terms of
like siren music, like my examples I would use are like
people like Caroline Politik and Earth either where it's like
actual wailing sort of stuff. So yeah, to me it is.
To me it is like, yeah, like whittling.
I don't know. I feel that's not what I should
be using. Like when you think of a siren,
it's not a kind of doing. Not to make this a tech talk or
a short. Or anything maybe?
Okay, look, I'll be honest, the the idea of a siren is again,
there's that melodic like wailing aspect to it.
But like they persuade sailors to come to their doom.
Scissor can't even make me listen to her music.
No, I'm like, I no, she's great artist.
Every song in here, I'm like, that's good.
Yeah, no, I agree. That's how I feel like I.
Don't tune into scissor. Siren's not the right word, I
feel, though she's. Insanely talented.
Yeah, but not a siren. No.
We gone to Lipstein. Yeah, I think it's not even what
is it about this part of the album, because I feel like the
method and the methodical nature of the structure has changed at
this point and but I'm less able to distinguish these songs in
all those songs at the start where they had the same
structure. It's like what I said before,
well, for me anyway. With albums that tend to just be
about love, it's like you can only do so much 'cause I think
this album's 15 songs it. Feels like 12.
I feel like it goes by so fast. It's like only like 40 something
minutes. Yeah.
But no, because when I was like trying to do notes for the
second-half, I was like, how long is that one?
OK, 15 songs. That is kind of a lot of songs.
But I think it is just like she's hit all the points of the
first half and then we kind of we kind of start repeating a
little bit. This is a bit like the
second-half is a bit more like lighthearted.
And there are some like, fun pop songs on this.
But yeah, for me, it was just kind of hard to stay trimmed in.
Like I can't even remember lip staying.
Yeah, it's, it's hard because it's almost as though there's
like 80s frequency attunement they've been locked into and
we've been trained to like perceive it as like lo fi tune
out. Yeah.
So it's like our brains just tune out.
Yeah, like, yeah, like it's not bad.
But also like I said, and it's kind of just like background
music. Well, the second-half anyway.
Like there are differently, like I said, the pop songs and like
they like pull you back in like silly, fun, absolutely love.
Love. Her delivery of the summer I
didn't like. It's so witty, it's so fun.
It's upbeat, the song, Yeah, pull me back in.
And I was like, oh, OK, wait, let me like turn back in.
No, I love silly fun. Silly fun.
Such a good song. Yes, such a good song banger.
Yeah, this again. Not not to like distinguish
between the songs or anything, but this one really like joked
you back in. It's like, oh, make sure you
listen again. Yes, yes, I love silly fun.
And then we go to Access service and I'm tuned out again.
I don't. Know if I'm tuned out like I
like, like I enjoyed all these songs.
Yeah, when I was saying tuned out, there is not one song on
this album that I dislike. But then there are songs where
it's like a midpoint and I'm just like.
Yeah, I think especially by this point, yeah, it's not that I
might just be the Grinch so many, but like, I'm not a person
who entertains romantics or gestures like that.
I I'd gotten by this point that I was like, OK, so it's about
Joseph Quinn. Like, you know, they've been
seen together, blah, blah, whatever.
And I got to this point, I was like, how much do you like him?
Like honestly, songs like Are We for Real?
Like even me being in my first relationship and I was like,
this album sounds for me. Like it was literally like I was
sat there just going like, does the key to affect me?
I'm your girlfriend? I was like, are you, What are we
doing here? Yeah, yeah, I.
Like I I get that the romanticism makes it more
juvenile or whatever, yes. It's not.
For me. Yeah, like I said before, it's
just kind of like we keep saying the same stuff over and over.
Yeah, like Make It Up, which is the next song I can't even
remember. Like I I'd have no memory of
that song. I'm sure it was great.
She was the atmospheric and song, well, wooden, and she
delivered. It well if we Make Love, would I
make it up to you? Yeah, I do really like.
This was a really repent of a song.
I do remember writing that down. Yeah, moving on to one more
time, which I really liked. Fun production, Yeah.
Fun writing. Like it's.
Yeah, yeah. I, I honestly feel like yeah,
one more time, then happy, then come back.
This is kind of Yeah. We're not so the same.
It's not Yeah, like I said, it's not bad.
It's just a little bit repetitive.
Yeah, we're, we're not going to go through and like try to force
commentary on each individual song here.
Yeah, I I do really like the last song.
I don't want to. It doesn't even.
Like a little bit like of a sweatshop.
And maybe that's 'cause there's so much that I was OK, So I
appreciate that. But yeah.
Yeah, I think it was. It was honestly multiple times
where again, listening to the album repeat, I'd be like, Oh
yeah, what's the song? And then I'd look kind of like,
oh, that's cards. We're back to the South, right?
Right. No, it did take me a few times
to kind of remember the stars. Like I honestly like the
second-half of the album. I don't think I could
distinguish songs apart from my silly fun One More Time, but
yes, I. Mean, yeah, if nothing else, I
think these songs are going to be, I don't want to even say
fodder because that's a bit rude.
They're going to be good sprinkled out in a tour.
I'm just glad she has more songs to perform.
And you know what? They'll be sprinkled out
through. She'll be doing her hits as
well. I'm sure it'll be great.
I would like to see her kind of told about every song.
Yeah, she. I feel like the promo leading up
to this album was practically nonexistent.
It's almost as though her team was like, ah, Taylor Swift's
releasing the week after we're giving up.
Yes, because a lot of these things, she's an interviewer.
Saying hello, she didn't go on like any of the late night.
We feel the late nights having a bit of a bit.
Of a weird She's doing it now. Yeah, right.
Before Taylor Swift comes in, tsunamis everything away.
But like, everything I've seen is just the same.
This album's about love and falling in love.
And it's like, OK, like, I, I don't know, I like, I guess
that's fine, that like, I want more.
It's fine, good enough like. It's also really, I don't want
to say the production, like, carries a lot of it, but I
almost want to say I would have rather her waited until she had
more interesting topics to sing about.
Yes. Like, don't get me wrong, this
album can mostly be about love. Yeah, but you know, some of the
songs I'm like that would have been so more impactful if it had
been about something other than love.
Yes, amongst all the love. Songs, yes well, 'cause I just
felt like the first half like does the topic so well and then
we yeah, it just gets about repeated a bit boring, which is
a shame 'cause like I kind of hold Doja Cat's ability like
when people was from out like the next Lady Gaga or who holds
a candle Lady Gaga. I would say Doja Cat.
Gaga. Well, I think it's just like
when you think of what makes Lady Gaga so successful, it's
how theatrical she is and how she's able to deliver a concept
visually and musically and theatrically, yes.
And I think sense of grandeur and performance.
Yeah, and I feel like Doja Cat's kind of the only one at the
moment that's doing. It's it's so funny because I was
just, you know, scrolling TikTok the other day and I was watching
just, you know, popcorn performances like my and I took
feeders and the only like there's only a few people in
this in industry at the moment that are keeping up with their
dancers. And I would say that Beyoncé is
always 100% there. Lady Gaga is always 100% there.
Tate McRae, She's there, yeah. She's she's dancing for sure.
Tate McRae and Beyoncé. No then.
Well. Let's be real, Tate Mcrae's
dances aren't do Beyoncé's dances but the other is not
doing what type of guy's doing. That's whatever.
But. She's keeping up.
And then the only other person I
can really think of is Dosha Cat.
She like can dance dances 'cause I think Chapel also hits that
like theatricality, grandeur, like production side of it.
But I think yeah, people and. She's like a performer, but it's
not the same. Like, she's not, you know, I
won't be doing any whatever choreo she's performing right
now in 10 years. Like I can still do the fucking
Judas. Yeah.
Well, I just think people overlook what makes Lady Gaga so
successful. And they were just like, dumb it
down to she's a pop star. Yeah.
And she's so much more to than that.
And there's so much more detail to why she makes it successful
because everyone wants to be a pop star.
But it's like, do you know actually how to like how to do
that? Yeah.
And they just kind. Of if you want to be the very
best, you've got to catch more, yeah, you've got to have the
Pokémon germs, you've got to click the badges, you've got to
go beat the Elite 4. There's just so much to it and I
feel like the only person who comes close there at the moment
is Doshi Cat. Yeah, I think particularly when
it comes to like writing, producing and vocally as well.
Piece of love to my sister McRae but Don't Care.
Could be the next big one. Yes.
Well, I think the when people are trying to label the next big
pop star or the next Lady Gaga, they forget that it's taken her
like 10 to 15 years to kind of be recognised.
Yeah, it's always like so quick to be like debut album.
Oh, this kind of hits the notes of The Fame.
She's the next Gaga. And it it just wasn't like that.
You know. Like, as much as the fame as a
really excellent album even. There's just so much fame.
Monster Born This Way. Yeah, She still wasn't
solidified. Born This Way.
And then R Pop came along and the normies left.
Yeah, and they've only just come back.
Yes, literally, like literally just yeah.
But that's why like with Dozier Cat, even though she might have
not fully made a a pop Bible or whatever, like super successful
album of this one. I yeah, I, I think she's got 2
in her catalog. Yeah.
It's just, it's not like. I can appreciate the concepts
that she wanted to do and she has executed it quite well.
Yeah, but I think that goes back to what we were talking about
before where, you know, she's or the industry's trying to find a
unique sound or the direction of the next sound.
And she's swung really big and it's like, it's just not what
people wanted to hear right now. I think there's also she's kind
of rediscovering A fanbase because obviously I I mean, I
would still consider her a rap girl, but she was in that John,
not John, right, But that like that fanbase, you know, we have
the bars, we have Cardi B stands.
It was like that world, and I think she's not like that.
Maybe she's not like that. I I just don't think she's doing
pure rap music. No, totally.
And you can see it here that she's, and I think she's seen it
in interviews. She's a rapper who makes pop
music. Yeah.
Like she uses rapping as a tool in her arsenal.
Yeah. And that's 'cause she has the
ability to do it. Like I think it's.
And the same way that Beyoncé does, Yeah, I think Beyoncé's a
rapper. That is pop music.
Yeah, I like, I think it's this like tricky, like like
switchover that she's experiencing at the moment where
it's like rap fans aren't really into her and then pure pop fans
are like just discovering her sort of thing.
Yeah, I feel like it's so weird because I feel like the Pop fans
were tuned in for Planet her, especially after popping Yeah
and pace in love to my sister. Respect your decisions,
whatever, but she really did wipe the slave with.
Scarlett she she does have a habit of also being like, I hate
you guys like so. You say that but she is so
interactive. Are you guys on lies?
I never had a problem with her explicitly being like.
Showing feet in racial chat rooms.
I I never had a problem with her, kind of like telling her
fans like shut the fuck up sort of thing.
But unfortunately, that does leave a bad taste in people's
mouth. It's it's so weird because at a
certain point as a pop star, you do have to feed the lions in the
cage. And when I remember there's you
have to look at these ridiculously over invested
people who are your fan base. And I think she did actually
nail her on the head when she was like, you guys don't even
know me, Like you only think you know me.
You think you love me. You've actually got no I fucking
idea. And I think that concept kind of
detached her from her own fanbase in a way that was like,
you guys wouldn't even fucking care if like, yeah, I didn't do
this anymore. You just go on and like find the
next person. Well, that's like Dosa care is
in. I don't know if it's a fortunate
situation, but she's in this situation of having going from a
really small dedicated fanbase within like the social media era
to, yeah, a big commercial fanbase.
And I think it's, I've seen a lot of artists talk about it
like they have started really small and they always tend to
miss it. Even Lady Gaga has said, like I
do kind of miss when I had a small intimate fan base because
it just feels a bit normal. And you, you get that sort of
gratification of like I, my music's been appreciated, my
art's been appreciated. And it's not this huge global
scale. And I think Doja doesn't like
the huge global scale of it. Recently there's I don't want to
say it's a phenomenon, but there was this one big Twitch streamer
who went like fully new Twitch account, no, like video
completely separate from their own algorithm like started from
fresh just to be like, what would it be like to be a small
streamer again? And they were fully like, this
is impossible. Like I don't understand how
people do this. Like I did not have a single
viewer for the three hours. And I feel like there's almost
this like philosophical conversation to be had.
That's like if Lady Gaga or Doge Cat or someone super big like
change themselves enough to be unrecognisable and then start it
again, would they be able to like start fresh and then from
their own talent do it again? And I feel like that's always
the philosophical question when you're a big pop star is did I
just get lucky? Did someone pull the strings and
now I'm a big pop star, or am I here of my own validity, my own
critter? And I feel like that's like the
imposter syndrome talking. And I feel like that is kind of
what they don't actually want to be a small artist.
They want to feel appreciated in a way that's not like
detachable, like, you know, being a fucking drag queen who
performs for a Max of 100 people in a bar.
People come up to me afterwards, like, you were so good.
They always feel good. But like, I can understand the
like thousands of fans all screaming at it starts to feel
like noise because it's like an echo chamber.
But it would be interesting to see.
Don't you get like, like and and then like?
Didn't the weekend do something similar?
You see he's. Going by his real name, I don't
know what he's doing there. But it is like I, I don't know
if he's like changing the weekend to yeah, Abel, or if
he's like completely starting again.
Yeah, I, I don't know where that's going at the moment, but
I, yeah, I do agree with you like.
But also, I think that there's a chance that if Beyoncé started
fresh, like no algorithm, no connections, nothing, she might
not make it. And I think she's the most
talented puncher in the world. I.
Think there is a degree of luck to it, but unfortunately.
I do think there's just pure luck.
Yeah, in the same way that I think this is a really good
album, there's no reason it should have, you know, not done
commercially well. And it's just like I'm lucky.
Yeah, yeah, like, I, I mean, as someone who was doing music and
like definitely looked into like how to like get big.
I guess it just comes down to lacking connections.
And I think for a lot of artists, especially big artists
that have experienced the lows and then the highs, it's, it's
almost like a humbling feeling to like have to accept the fact
that it was just luck. Like you want to so badly be
like, I got here on my hard work, my talent and stuff like
that. And it's not disregarding any of
that, unfortunately. It is just kind of like you, you
found the connections and luck was played.
And I think that's why some like artists struggle when they then
go low like with sales or whatever, because they're like,
well, I work harder on this one. I put more effort into this one.
Why is this one not doing it? And you know it's.
Just, I mean, I think that also speaks to like the necessity of
artistic integrity where I hope this doesn't affect her creative
process or anything at all. I hope she just goes well, at
least I was proud of her and I can.
And I think she will because I think she experienced this sort
of low in terms of commercial success with Scarlett didn't.
I feel like that this. I kind of only had one hurt in
the album itself didn't perform super well.
That's so I I feel like. In a society.
Yeah, I like, I think she's not upset or anything.
I mean we've seen on their Twitter who who joking around
about it. But yeah, I think it's a good
album, maybe a great album, not an excellent album.
Yeah, I just realised we haven't rated an album in so.
Long Well, we, we, we were on and off for a bit.
We were there for a second, so apologies for missing the other
week. So what should we rate this
album? I can't remember that.
Oh, I I know what mine is. Employed.
That's four stars, isn't it? Employees.
Four stars. Wait no, is it promoted 4 stars?
Promote it's five stars. Right.
Yes, I think. And then I think they're.
Yeah, No, because three stars is casual, two stars is staff
meeting, one stars. Adam Blue, what do we call that?
OK, Yeah. Fired.
Maybe that was just. Fine.
Oh God, I kind of remember Cat. Yeah.
It's weird because I don't want to be any less locked into Doja
Cat. No, I think she's a phenomenal
artist and I think I'll be just excited for the next album.
So it's definitely not below 3. But also this hasn't like waned
any of my interest in any of her future products either.
I feel like I'll be exactly as excited for the next one as I
was. For the no yeah, same that yeah,
I'm pretty confident with four stars employed.
I'm turned in, you know, I value her.
I value what? She brings.
You're so welcome. So values you.
I employed you, Yeah. No, I I think a good four stars
for her is what I'm going to give.
I'm just like I, I almost want to say 3 casual contract only
because I'm not going to be any more turned into those again.
I'm not going to be any less again.
The like in and out of consciousness.
Even listening to this album, I don't want to be like 4.
You can get a casual contract for this one.
Like you haven't lost any favour, you haven't gained any.
Yeah, I think the stranger alone has bumped it up.
It's like I say, it's my favorite song by her.
Yeah, I. Would I give it a 3.5?
Yeah, somewhere between casual contract.
Yeah, part time. Yeah, part time.
She's like your favorite casual. She's Oh my God.
Doja let's. Call 9:00 and and she's there.
I'm like thank. God, yes, Yeah.
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