1 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:13,640 Welcome to jobless behaviour. Hello King Axel, how are you 2 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:16,840 today? I'm good, I'm just recovering 3 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:20,720 from fucking almost dying. I feel I've not been sick for 4 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:24,400 that long, girl. Yes, you might have realised 5 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:27,760 this episode is a week off schedule. 6 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:31,480 We're just, we're just doing things. 7 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,200 Yeah, not a lot that is doing things. 8 00:00:35,480 --> 00:00:38,480 Look, sometimes life gets in the way of protecting people's 9 00:00:38,480 --> 00:00:39,600 music. Who has no idea? 10 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,160 Even the jobless. Even the jobless. 11 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,360 Even the jobless have stuff to do. 12 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,200 Yes. No, but today's episode's a 13 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,000 little different. It's not a review. 14 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:52,640 Yes, so sorry if you're angry we haven't been here. 15 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:54,520 We're also going to give you something you didn't expect of 16 00:00:54,560 --> 00:01:01,720 us Grammys grimy. Predictions. 17 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:06,280 I think the nominations come out in November, so. 18 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:11,520 Oh OK, I got it. I've got the information. 19 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,280 On me, honey, yes. So we're just going to discuss 20 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,720 who we think's going to be nominated, possible wins. 21 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:24,360 But I will say right now, I feel like this year in music was a 22 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:25,120 bit boring. I don't. 23 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:31,040 I don't want to say boring. You're not boring, but like in 24 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:34,720 terms, I guess like the mainstream music, the mainstream 25 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:36,680 music industry. Like. 26 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:42,280 I mean, there was Gaga. That's my age. 27 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:48,800 I think it's it's interesting that the like typical album roll 28 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:53,000 out two year cycle is so consistent still within the 29 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:58,640 music industry and yet somehow we had so much competition last 30 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,600 year and so many people releasing last year and like 31 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:03,520 next to nobody releasing this year. 32 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,640 Yeah. And I'm like, is that how it's 33 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:08,880 going to be from now on if they're all trapped in two year 34 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,720 album cycles? Yeah. 35 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,200 Because the only person who's really broken out of that this 36 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,000 year is the one that I'm like, Mr. Reddy Carpenter. 37 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:21,800 Yes, yes, whether that be for best interest or not, but we'll 38 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,800 get there. Yeah, like, I know I really 39 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,000 wanted to do this episode. And then when I was like putting 40 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,360 them together, I was like, there's not a lot. 41 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,000 Yeah, it's hard. Like, because there's going to 42 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,280 be a discussion of like our personal, like who we think 43 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,280 should be nominated and win, but then we're also going to discuss 44 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:41,240 like the, like the. Like who's gonna? 45 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:46,440 Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think we should just get 46 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:48,920 into it. You think he is? 47 00:02:48,920 --> 00:02:53,480 Why not? So when I was putting together I 48 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,920 guess the schedule, I thought we could start with like the pop 49 00:02:56,920 --> 00:02:59,680 categories. Oh really? 50 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,040 I'm not a huge fan of pop, but I'll give it my best I. 51 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,160 Just think a little, you know? Something a little fresh and 52 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,440 different for. Us, but yeah, the pop categories 53 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:15,800 there is album pop solo and duo yeah, I think we'll start with 54 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:19,200 pop solo because it's pop solo, it's pop solo performance and 55 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,640 now that isn't live performance yes. 56 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:25,240 I only realized that maybe like a year or two ago I for so long 57 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,760 thought it was live performance. It's not really just. 58 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,320 No, it's like the actual vocal ability. 59 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:37,640 Yeah, displayed in the song. Yeah, like the performance of 60 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:42,120 the vocal. Yes, obviously Gaga's gonna. 61 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:48,200 I absolutely think so, yes. I think it would be stupid for 62 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:52,400 Gaga to not approach this year with just a shotgun approach and 63 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,920 just submit herself for as much as possible. 64 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:58,640 Well, because I do have her submissions she submitted 65 00:03:58,640 --> 00:03:59,560 vanish. Allegedly. 66 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,240 She submitted. Vanish unto you and happy 67 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:09,040 mistake. Happy mistake from the the OH. 68 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:14,520 I mean, no, like I feel like we're looking at it from like, 69 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,320 coming. Out in the last year, yeah, I 70 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:18,000 suppose it did right at the end of that. 71 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,760 Oh yes, because Grammy submissions is like August 30th. 72 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,440 Yeah. Like I think we're looking at it 73 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,840 as like a how like 1 was kind of flop in terms of commercial 74 00:04:28,840 --> 00:04:31,320 success, but Having Mistake is a really good song. 75 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:37,760 Like it's quite new from her, but I really liked it. 76 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:43,120 It's kind of a shame to go to that album, but I'm just not a 77 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:47,360 jazz fan. Yeah, but yeah, vanish unto you. 78 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,520 I mean, what a song. Gorge. 79 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,800 Other contenders, Probably Sabrina, should. 80 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,280 Be fair, she's not really given vocals in this latest album. 81 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,920 Sabrina, yeah, I don't know if is Sabrina. 82 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,320 Gaga. I don't know if like the 83 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:10,480 definition. Let me just quickly look up the 84 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:14,520 actual definition of. Because to me, if it's not an 85 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,400 actual performance and it's about performance of a song, 86 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,680 then it's like how the artist uses their voice and how the 87 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:22,520 production is executed for the music. 88 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:27,600 Yeah. So I don't think someone without 89 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,200 a display of how they use their voice at least. 90 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,320 Yeah, it just seems like solo performance, pop recording, 91 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,880 vocal and and instrumental. Vocal instrumental, yeah. 92 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,880 I just don't think she's giving strong enough vocals in any of 93 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:44,960 the songs on this newest album. Yes, yes, yeah. 94 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:50,480 I just, I don't actually know because I mean, flowers won last 95 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:54,520 year, year before year before that was kind of a snows. 96 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,560 I think it showed like real strength in her voice. 97 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,080 It was really one though. But like. 98 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:09,040 It's not like it's sad, but yeah, no, it no, it just says, 99 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:14,600 like, excellence in vocal production, in instrumental. 100 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:15,720 Yeah. Interesting. 101 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:21,480 We've had all this like Justin Bieber, Gracie Abrams. 102 00:06:23,280 --> 00:06:26,960 Is she a Grammy darling? Has she won a Grammy? 103 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,200 I don't know. Has she? 104 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:31,160 I don't know where Gracey Abrams? 105 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,240 Well, I know exactly where Gracey Abrams came from. 106 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:40,240 But like, as far as actual pop culture relevance, sorry to the 107 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:45,480 Abrams. The Graces, Graces. 108 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:48,680 I just don't know. Grammy. 109 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,560 Yeah, I, yeah, because I wrote Grace Abrams down. 110 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:00,680 It's just like a topic to talk about. 111 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:05,880 I think she was nominated last year because I it feels like 112 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:09,160 she's only researched this year but I'm pretty sure her releases 113 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,600 were last year. I didn't even know who she was 114 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:16,000 before she started performing with Taylor Swift. 115 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:16,880 No. Neither. 116 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:19,360 Yeah. Did she open for Taylor Swift in 117 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:20,640 Europe? Is that what happened? 118 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:21,960 Her and Vincent Boone. I. 119 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,160 Don't know Did Vincent Boone open? 120 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,120 Yeah. Oh, I think so. 121 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:27,440 Oh. Vincent Man's probably going to 122 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,680 be nominated. Oh yeah, Vincent Man's. 123 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:31,400 Probably. Please. 124 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:36,440 Oh duo. The pop duo. 125 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,720 Yeah, Gaga won that last year, didn't she? 126 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:41,760 Gagan Bruno for Doug with a smile. 127 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,720 Or was that? Yeah, right. 128 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:48,600 Yeah, because they performed it. Oh no, they didn't perform. 129 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:50,480 It they weren't going to perform it because they weren't. 130 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,560 Going to perform it, but they they won. 131 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:02,280 But. Oh my God, she's she has 132 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,720 submitted killer. Killer. 133 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:06,760 For Duo, I don't think that's fair. 134 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:08,320 Wait for Duo. Yeah. 135 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,720 Oh, because I guess Gefafelstein is a feature I. 136 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,920 Have no idea how to say his. Name how you say it. 137 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:19,440 I'm going to assume it is sure. I think it's to be like Gefaul 138 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,760 sting or something like. That oh, good for her. 139 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,000 No, she has submitted killer for duo. 140 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,360 We might as well get all of her pop submissions. 141 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,480 Obviously. Oh, Oh no, wait. 142 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,159 Oh no, there isn't a best pop album. 143 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:39,919 Listen there is. No, I don't think so. 144 00:08:39,919 --> 00:08:41,360 Best. Pop album? 145 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,320 No, there is. Pretty sure there's just. 146 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:47,280 No, there, there definitely is. Because Sabrina. 147 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:53,200 I'm so honest I controversial don't care about Grammys, like 148 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,680 at all. She submitted for Dance 149 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,520 Electronic. Yes, I I did hear this through 150 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:03,440 the Grapevine that she didn't put in for pop and she decided 151 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,360 that I guess she'd have a better chance of winning dance 152 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:10,200 electronic. I guess so, like she probably 153 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:13,240 saw Charlie I. Mean I guess, but. 154 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:18,160 Then I I considered Charlie's to. 155 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:22,320 Be fair, I well, it it depends which version she's submitting, 156 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:26,760 because I think her extended version with like kill for Love 157 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:28,960 and Dance, like all of it together. 158 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,240 I think that's got a compelling, like, dance element to it. 159 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,640 Yeah, I think it's just that electronic aspect. 160 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,640 I mean, it is electronic, isn't? It well, to me, I don't know, 161 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:45,440 the Grammys have so many like genre categories where it's like 162 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,320 so much of them blend together by the definition. 163 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,960 Anyway, genres are a funny thing and. 164 00:09:55,560 --> 00:09:58,480 But yeah, in terms of other artists, like I said, I 165 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:02,440 genuinely haven't really paid attention to the big artists 166 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:08,240 they have released this year. I think Chapel could be 167 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,440 considered for like the song ones, the solo performance and 168 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,080 stuff. Obviously no album. 169 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:18,240 Yeah, I think Subway has a compelling chance at like a 170 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,520 vocal category. Yes, yes, best pop vocal. 171 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,720 Potentially, obviously, Benson Bone, Alex Warren. 172 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:26,880 Yeah, that'll probably be chucked in there. 173 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:31,080 Oh, Sabrina. Does Benson Bone still have best 174 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:35,000 new artist years or is he done? I feel like he was nominated 175 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,200 last year. Yeah, they've got three though, 176 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,440 don't they? I think if you do get nominated 177 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:45,240 though you can't like you can submit like 3 times whatever but 178 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,720 if you are nominated like that's your one shot. 179 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:49,680 Right. Because that would be a bit 180 00:10:49,680 --> 00:10:51,600 ridiculous, like a piece knew at us. 181 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,840 Again, it's like no. Yeah, I don't know. 182 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,840 Oh, do we? How do we feel Lord is going to 183 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:01,960 be treated at the Grammys? Right. 184 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:07,960 So unfortunately for our listeners, our Lord Review never 185 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,680 came to the light of day just because of a series of that's 186 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:12,320 gone. Unfortunate to give 187 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,960 difficulties, but we loved the album. 188 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,200 It was so compelling. One one of my favourite albums 189 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:19,320 will be. Yeah. 190 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,640 Is Lord a Grammy darling? I don't know. 191 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:30,400 Is Lord enough of like a pop culture phenomenon right now to 192 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:35,520 be like, seen as a potential winner by the Academy? 193 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,520 I don't know. I I remember when I was putting 194 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:42,880 together the list, she like jumped back to my head when I 195 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:46,400 was writing down like potentials for album cover and recording 196 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:51,720 package. Yeah, I think I would say that 197 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,000 her album cover is the best of the year. 198 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:55,480 Yeah. I'd agree. 199 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:59,280 Maybe not recording package because I feel like, for me 200 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,680 anyway, it's just that album cover, but. 201 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:05,360 I, I get so frustrated talking about awards because like, what 202 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:06,680 are we, what are we talking about here? 203 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:09,560 What is the difference between cover out work and recording 204 00:12:09,560 --> 00:12:13,520 package in terms of what Lord is doing? 205 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:18,200 I think the potential for her to win recording package including 206 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:23,240 like instead of variant or when you open it, it's like I think a 207 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,920 picture for a naked. Sorry, yeah, album covers 208 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,200 obviously just to cover recording package, the whole 209 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:29,760 package. I've got loads of good example 210 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,360 for this because she doesn't. She didn't do like multiple 211 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:34,640 variants of like different cover arts. 212 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:41,680 But I think the opening, the cover and seeing Lord and I 213 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:45,760 believe it's clear PVC pants and you can just see her like, I 214 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:47,480 think that has real potential. Yeah. 215 00:12:47,560 --> 00:12:50,440 Because that did cause a stir, more so than I think anything 216 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,800 this year. I definitely do think she will 217 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,520 be considered for those categories at the very least. 218 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,320 Yeah, no, it was a really good cover up. 219 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,520 Yeah. 'Cause a stir thought it was a 220 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:05,240 tripod. How many things gone we 221 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:09,760 discussed? Yeah, I. 222 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:14,560 With the IUD fighting about like it's just there's so many notes 223 00:13:14,680 --> 00:13:19,680 and like points to this album reflected in the cover artwork. 224 00:13:19,680 --> 00:13:23,960 I think the fact that Charlie's Brett inspired the cover art 225 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,320 award, I think they will. Yeah, I think it's the most 226 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:32,040 reflective of them starting this award in honour of Brad. 227 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:36,880 Yeah, yeah. I I think Mahem's also a really 228 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:40,520 compelling cover artwork, so I could I could almost see them 229 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:46,760 awarding Mayhem cover art and then Lord for recording projects 230 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:48,120 because of. Yeah. 231 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,320 Do you remember when the like vinyl started getting sent out 232 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,360 and everyone started opening them and all the tik toks out of 233 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:57,880 like Mama we Oh yeah. Well, you Lord, just pulp us, 234 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:03,160 Pulp us out. Yeah, I don't know about Gaga, 235 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,400 but I think she is Grammys darling this year. 236 00:14:08,680 --> 00:14:14,520 To be fair, I also think Sabrinas also causing a bit of a 237 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:20,320 stir could potentially like in the absence of a for your 238 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,280 consideration, I don't think anybody's really going to be 239 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:28,200 like going for like the cover out awards. 240 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:34,200 I think that's the thing, I don't know if like the outro of 241 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,800 the cover out is actually that serious. 242 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:41,240 Like if, if it's just like a stand Twitter thing or if it's 243 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,440 like a genuine, genuine public thing. 244 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:48,440 Yeah, I don't know 'cause I feel like the actual intention and 245 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:53,720 artistic element of the cover up would be appreciated by the 246 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:55,720 Academy. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. 247 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,840 In a way that in the for the same all the same reasons that 248 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,080 Lords we think has a real potential winning. 249 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:02,680 I think Sabrina has a. Potential winning. 250 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:07,680 Yeah, Like, I'm just like wondering if it is like a 251 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:11,640 genuine outcry, will the Grammys be like, oh, maybe not, maybe we 252 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:13,520 won't do that because it's risky. 253 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,760 Yeah, I don't know, the the Grammys is always a super hard 254 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:19,360 one to pin down. No matter what I do think she 255 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:23,480 would like regardless go for best recording package. 256 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,280 So I think the multiple variance and like just the media around 257 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,480 the album does give a compelling story. 258 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:34,840 Yeah, because The Academy Is everyone who's evolved what? 259 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:40,000 Right, I think so. So a lot of the actual Academy 260 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:44,880 are like, producers and people working behind the scenes. 261 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:49,520 So it's not all like, Ariana Grande voting for Sabrina 262 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:51,000 Counter. Oh, isn't that lovely? 263 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,320 Like, it's people we've never seen or heard of before. 264 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,400 Actually, I hope they take it seriously because there's been a 265 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:03,000 whole bunch of like, you know, hearsay and conversation at 266 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:09,560 least between what, last Grammys and last Oscars and Golden 267 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:12,240 Globes, where, like, a bunch of the voters came out and were 268 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,640 like, honestly, I didn't watch or hear everything. 269 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:18,680 I mean, when you take into account every single winner, 270 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:22,640 yeah, like you get. So I give you all these albums 271 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,000 and your Cardi B, and you have to decide. 272 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,880 Yeah, I won't be here. Like totally like. 273 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:32,200 Cardi B on that, That's so funny. 274 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:37,600 Anyway, she should like. I'm just imagining her like 275 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:41,320 putting her in a little bike. Yeah, 'cause like when you 276 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:46,160 actually think about it, how long must that actually take to 277 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,160 go through from all the nominations? 278 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,160 Because I think it was. How can I do it in waves? 279 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:57,320 I think it was the Oscars who established last year that now 280 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,120 'cause they do it through like a website and like online now 281 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:05,520 before you vote, you have to like have watched every movie. 282 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,720 Like they give you the screeners and like you have to watch every 283 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,400 movie before you're allowed to vote, Which I think should be 284 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,680 how it works. Because like, if you've only 285 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,119 heard three, you're only going to vote for one of those to be. 286 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:18,480 And that might not be, you know, the. 287 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:23,319 Actual, I mean being on The Academy Is like, do you have 288 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:24,319 like your makers? Do you just? 289 00:17:24,599 --> 00:17:30,600 They they win a cash prize for each for each Grammy. 290 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,200 Yeah, they it's like money. I would think so, yeah. 291 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,080 Like obviously. Yeah, you know. 292 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:38,960 And the grand schemes of everything. 293 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:42,560 It's about having the Grammy and knowing, like, you met, you met 294 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:44,880 that achievement. Yeah, yeah. 295 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,120 I don't know. I don't know whether people are 296 00:17:47,120 --> 00:17:50,000 taking this seriously. Kind of makes me not care a 297 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,160 little. But also I'm always turned out. 298 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,200 This time I'm just like, fuck the Grammys because. 299 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:59,800 You know, as much as a lot of it is politics, like I said before, 300 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:05,040 if you don't know, artists usually throw like parties that 301 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:08,480 are essentially akin to influenza parties. 302 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:12,000 And they invite members of the recording Academy and they 303 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,200 called for your consideration parties and they basically say 304 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,160 like, hey, This is why you should be voting for us. 305 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:22,560 Usually they'll, you know, if it's not, if Sabrina Carpenter's 306 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,640 nominated for pop vocal and she'll play the pop vocal and 307 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,160 she'll talk about it. And then so, you know, the 308 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,520 voters have more information and things to go off. 309 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:36,400 And like, I think to a certain extent those kind of parties are 310 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:40,560 used as like a 11. You're gonna for sure hear what 311 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:46,360 you're voting on #2 you get to go to this fierce party and 312 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,360 like, you know, yeah, get to network and stuff. 313 00:18:49,360 --> 00:18:52,960 So you're already more likely to vote for that person because you 314 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,040 were, you know, you got compensation for that. 315 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:01,760 But I don't. It's kind of an element nobody 316 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:06,520 ever really talks about. Yeah, I think there's a little 317 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,160 discussion, but then I also think it's like nothing's going 318 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:13,520 to change. Yeah, I just directed the 319 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:16,960 debates around like the behaviour of the Grammys and the 320 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,640 Academy Awards. It's always been there. 321 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:25,440 I mean, when you think about like the history of music and 322 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,720 like, you know, the fact we're still seeing categories for the 323 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:32,600 first time ever being won by, you know, people of colour, 324 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,760 yeah. Just you really start to think 325 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:38,680 like if this if it's the Wop 76th. 326 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,720 But I know it's like starting like late 50s or something. 327 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:47,720 Yeah, if, if it's like, you know, that many years of winners 328 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,320 and we're still only getting the first PSA people to win now. 329 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:53,560 Yeah. OK. 330 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,400 So the majority of the ahead of me is very, very wide. 331 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:57,600 Yes. Yes. 332 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:59,400 So there's also that element to it. 333 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,560 Yeah. Genres are a funny thing, aren't 334 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,080 they? I mean, I think we'd be remiss 335 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,960 to not talk about country over the year. 336 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,440 Yeah. Now being referred to as 337 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:18,240 contemporary country album the and then then adding a classical 338 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:22,880 country album, which I think is super interesting because then. 339 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:27,360 It makes no sense to me. In the history of it, you're 340 00:20:27,360 --> 00:20:31,080 going to see all of those previous albums who won be a 341 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,840 contemporary country album, which then shifts the definition 342 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:37,160 of what a classical country album. 343 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:41,320 Exactly, Yeah. Like again, it really does feel 344 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:45,080 like succumbing to the pressure of people being like Beyoncé 345 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,320 should be in a super category. Yeah, it'll be very interesting 346 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:49,960 to see the nominees for that category. 347 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,520 I don't really know country music though, but just like. 348 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:57,800 Again, for me, it's like, it's like if they keep splitting up 349 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:02,320 contemporary and classical pop and then all of a sudden twice 350 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,360 as many people are winning pop awards, Are you not just going 351 00:21:05,360 --> 00:21:12,240 to flood the Academy eventually? Because now this also implies 352 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:17,840 that twice as many country winners as Beyoncé's point was 353 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:22,480 pointing out that it is a heavily white and whitewashed 354 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:28,640 category and culture. Are you not just going to 355 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:33,040 further the kind of whitewashing of the Academy? 356 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:37,320 I don't know. Yeah, no, I, I don't know. 357 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,920 I'm not a country fan. So yeah, either way, with those 358 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:46,120 one or two categories, yeah. But yeah, it is. 359 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,720 It's shady. Shady indeed, and I think it's 360 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,040 indicative of some like string pulling. 361 00:21:53,360 --> 00:21:57,880 I don't think the Grammys are like rigged per SE. 362 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,880 I think that, yeah, I think that just like who is you? 363 00:22:04,120 --> 00:22:05,640 Who is you? There's. 364 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:12,080 Like, you know, 12 shareholders or, like, you know, the actual 365 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,720 people at the top, like, seeing all the votes and then picking 366 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:16,880 the winner anyway. Yeah. 367 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,760 But at the same time, like, for what? 368 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,680 And then we see, like, clear upsets happen. 369 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:26,800 Yeah. And it's like, is that similar 370 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:33,000 to say the VMA's or the MTV music videos being like, we're 371 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,360 going to ignore the fan votes and give it to them so that we 372 00:22:36,360 --> 00:22:38,760 cause an uproar so that more. People, it wouldn't surprise me 373 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,360 because I feel like the VMA's and stuff are just like Grammy 374 00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:43,840 dupes. Yeah, if you want to be like 375 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,840 this but cater to like, I don't know, a young audience. 376 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,400 Totally. But at the same time, like, 377 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:55,320 obviously, you know, there's a lot of discussion to be had 378 00:22:55,320 --> 00:23:00,720 about Nicki Minaj, but her controversy with the Grammys and 379 00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:05,760 deciding to still perform and then kind of being outcast by 380 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:11,360 the Grammys, kind of indicative of something like that, some 381 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,320 bigger string pulling, punt tearing happening. 382 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:20,240 Yes, I think, yeah, I as I do think they work with the labels. 383 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,960 And so it is, especially with Nicki Minaj, it is like, stay in 384 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,800 order. Like you do what we say, 385 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,640 otherwise you don't get anything. 386 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,560 No, I, I think there was a bit of like Riggory going on. 387 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,480 He I I think it's just like, yeah, I find the Grammys fun, 388 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,240 but I'm also like, it's not that serious. 389 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,320 Yeah. I have a little uproar with it. 390 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:50,160 Like within the wake of it, if like blah blah doesn't win, it's 391 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:51,200 almost like. Just like a Boo. 392 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:56,600 Yeah, Yeah. We can move on to the general 393 00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:01,320 field now, which is our main categories I reckon starting 394 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,480 with best new artist because he has been quite a lot of new 395 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:12,840 music from new people this year. Yeah, unfortunately, yeah. 396 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:17,320 Alex Warren somber, Some somber. Yeah. 397 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,560 So I discovered him like 2 weeks ago and I was like who is this 398 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,200 very scary man? Very tall and skinny. 399 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:31,200 Straight Conan Grey. Lola, Lola Young. 400 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:38,280 Yeah, Addison Rae. I Yeah, it's hard because it 401 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:43,120 will be, I don't know, I think really interesting, if nothing 402 00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:48,040 else, if Addison Rae does not get a single nod or anything 403 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:49,920 because she did get snubbed by the VMAs. 404 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:56,480 Yes, but I, I swear her album was like received quite well by 405 00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:01,840 like critical perception. But it is tricky. 406 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:06,880 It is tricky. I'll take my crate. 407 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:11,480 Oh, she can't be thingy. But do we think she might? 408 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,240 I don't think so. Like a pop cake or something. 409 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,400 Yeah. I mean, you should have released 410 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:24,920 a new album. I this like made-up love. 411 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,360 I don't say it like when people are like, oh, she's good 412 00:25:31,360 --> 00:25:35,640 performing everything. I mean, people just like talk 413 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,400 about her music and stuff. I'm like, I'm not seeing this 414 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,680 anywhere. No, like the VMA isn't wedding 415 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,880 summer song or whatever. I'm like, I have not seen a 416 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:48,480 single Tate McRae stand that's going like, yeah, her song will 417 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,400 come over. Oh yeah, that's cute. 418 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:57,240 Yeah, I think there is an element of like, not being an 419 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:02,240 Internet stand and darling, 'cause I think there is an 420 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:06,360 element where the tape McRae, where everyone knows she's a 421 00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:09,480 good performer. So then you go to the concert 422 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,000 and then once you're at the concert, you go, oh, this music 423 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:13,640 is actually good and then you start listening. 424 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,520 So I think that is where a lot of her success derives from. 425 00:26:18,360 --> 00:26:22,200 But yeah, I just, I don't see her up here playing with the 426 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:23,840 dogs like a lot of other people do. 427 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,720 No, that might be controversial. No, I agree. 428 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,120 I feel like it's being forced and it's not going to happen. 429 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,040 It's not even forced. It's like she hasn't found her 430 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,440 sound. She's put out so much music in 431 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:40,440 the last three years, even though she's being worked like a 432 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:45,120 dog day and night, drinking from a pot of coffee none of you want 433 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,400 to touch. Well, her like what's probably 434 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,760 freaking out. Like honey, you are on your 435 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,320 fourth out of like 5th. I want the deal and we have 436 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:54,680 nothing. Yeah. 437 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,440 I don't know how long, but yeah, like. 438 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:02,200 Like I think she really had like she has some hats, like I'll be 439 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,200 tapping my foot to some type of crazy slow tip. 440 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:12,200 I just I couldn't pin what who she is as a person or an artist. 441 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,160 To me it's just like. Dancer. 442 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,680 Yeah, pretty dancer. Yeah. 443 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,240 Yeah. Yeah. 444 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:23,040 No, I think the tape McRae Love is 4th. 445 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,080 The best new artist. Yeah. 446 00:27:28,120 --> 00:27:30,400 I feel like that's it. I mean, I would personally love 447 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,880 to see Ethel Kane. I don't think she submits 448 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,040 though. No, I think she's been very open 449 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:36,920 about the face. Yeah, doesn't. 450 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,280 Submit So I'm I'm not like holding my breath, but if I saw 451 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:45,520 that I'd like that's got her. But yeah, my my guess it it will 452 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,240 go to like Alex Warren or like a guy. 453 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,600 I mean, is Alex Warren's the one that's been dominating the 454 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,720 charts? I think they might just give it 455 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:56,200 to. Him. 456 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,000 I think so as well. But also I don't know because I 457 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,920 don't even know if his music's good because I have not 458 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,800 listened. But that's the thing, a lot of a 459 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,360 lot of the best new artists, I'm just like other people are 460 00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:09,040 saying that this is apparently a best new artist material. 461 00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:15,000 So yeah. Oh, Rose. 462 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:21,240 Don't you want me like? Yeah, like I think this is her 463 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,480 best new artist here. If she does, go for it. 464 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,560 Oh yeah, I kind of fully forgot about the Blackpink girls. 465 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,640 Oh, like I think no, I don't even know. 466 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:43,480 See, it's hard to know like a crossover because even in terms 467 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:48,080 of like an East to West market, yeah, I think in pop culture is 468 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:53,200 like reasonably measured, but to the Academy, I don't know if 469 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,280 they're connecting with like what is popular. 470 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,760 I don't think so either because another like debated 1 is Cat's 471 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,440 Eye, but the Grammys don't really do groups. 472 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,000 There's the categories for groups, I think, but in terms of 473 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,160 like a best new. Artist So we haven't had like a 474 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,000 group be super big, especially in the US. 475 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,240 I think the only time like a group in the US was like 476 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,520 favoured, well not favoured but awarded by the Grammys was 477 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,720 Disney's child. Yeah, Disney's child did win a 478 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,000 few. Yeah, it's about a week's time. 479 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,720 Like, I think back, I'm like, did One Direction win any? 480 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,800 Did *NSYNC win any? Backstreet Boys win any. 481 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:34,960 I don't think they. Did but also. 482 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,920 And is it that I, I don't know what what Grammy has against 483 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,920 groups? Yeah, 'cause I. 484 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:42,880 But then again, what is best new artist? 485 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,720 What does that entail? What is the any of this? 486 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:52,280 Like, yeah, I mean, I, I know it's very like common category 487 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,320 for any sort of like award ceremony, but it's just like, 488 00:29:55,320 --> 00:30:01,240 what does that actually entail? Yeah, I feel like it's just 489 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:06,960 super broad, but yeah, I I think it would just go to one of the 490 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:13,600 boys because people love them. Their music is kind of provoking 491 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,840 I guess. Again, I'm not super interested 492 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:20,120 because even this new artist has always kind of been a kind of 493 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,640 cursed award to get anyway. So I feel like it's kind of, no, 494 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:24,880 it hasn't. I was going to say, I feel like 495 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,640 it's kind of gone away, but kind of hasn't. 496 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:33,080 I think it's not so much a curse as it is like an expectation 497 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,040 because you have so much more pressure put on you after you 498 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,840 win something like that. And then of course, you're like 499 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,360 nowhere near experienced enough to like handle the extra 500 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:44,040 pressure. Yeah. 501 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,160 Yeah, because there have been a few really big upsets in terms 502 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,040 of, you know, yeah, best new artists. 503 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,000 And then the people who don't win the award go on to do better 504 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,240 because they don't have that same. 505 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,560 Award. Yeah, no, I kind of got over the 506 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,080 whole best new artist, Chris, because I really like Oh Meli 507 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,640 Vanilli. Ever since then that's been 508 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,400 cursed since like Adele fucking won it. 509 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:08,000 Yeah. And yeah, so I do think you're 510 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,080 right. It's just like you, you've kind 511 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,840 of hit the top so early. Yeah. 512 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,800 But yeah, I'm not. Lord, when busy, you're honest. 513 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,280 I think so. I feel like that's something 514 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:22,240 going to. Happen. 515 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,680 Yeah, maybe. She got I she got song. 516 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,400 All record of the year. Yeah, for sure. 517 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,320 Which we'll move on to now. If you don't know the difference 518 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:37,920 between song, all record of the year, record, sorry, record 519 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,320 being the performer and the producers, where a song is the 520 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,160 songwriting. Oh yeah. 521 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,800 So once the words and once the sound, yeah, basically, yeah, 522 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,840 Alright. What's is it necessary? 523 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,080 I think it's necessary because there are some I. 524 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,280 Do too, but I don't think they agree with that. 525 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,360 I don't. Again, it's hard to, you know, 526 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,280 think about everything the all the Academy has to vote for. 527 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,560 You know, is Ariana Grande sitting there reading 528 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,440 everything, going through scrolling, or does she not have 529 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,000 the fucking time? Yeah. 530 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,720 Do any of these people have any of the fucking time? 531 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:23,320 So then does it fall on the hundreds of white people who 532 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,960 filling? This recording Academy, yeah. 533 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,440 When I do kind of like predict these categories, I just put 534 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,640 them together because I'm not, unless it's like, no, yeah, I 535 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,440 put them together because I, I don't even think they 536 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,600 distinguish the two. Like, there'll be a little bit, 537 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,360 but it tends to be very similar in nominations. 538 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:51,680 I can't even think of a seriously like big song in terms 539 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,000 of lyricism and writing. Well, Gaga's, Gaga's submitted 540 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,040 abracadabra for both. Interesting. 541 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:00,640 I don't know about song of the year. 542 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,520 Yeah, I wouldn't say it's very exciting songwriting. 543 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,280 They're called, Yeah. I think, oh, controversial. 544 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,480 We might have to end up doing a Mayhem review, but I think it's 545 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,680 one of the least impressive songwriting. 546 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,440 Oh no, the album. Yeah, no, for sure. 547 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,880 So the fact she would put it forward is kind of. 548 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:19,720 Crazy. I think it's because of. 549 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:24,280 Looking at, you know, all these categories and who is just even 550 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:28,320 in our mind and who's come up, I can see why she's just kind of 551 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,640 putting forward her most successful stuff. 552 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,680 Yeah. You kind of do when it comes to 553 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:37,480 record and song. Yeah, I can definitely see 554 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,760 record for sure. Yeah, because she hasn't 555 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,880 submitted abracadabra for any of the pop categories. 556 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,240 But also if she is submitting vanish into you. 557 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,880 I could, I could have really seen that a song. 558 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,240 Yeah, I think she might have done like an obscure song once 559 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:58,560 for the big categories. But no, I think This is why I 560 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,000 think she's Grammy darling this year, because the way she has 561 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,920 submitted her music has more strategic than anything because 562 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,760 Abracadabra is on the dance pop, so she hasn't submitted it for 563 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,000 pop. And in Zombie Boys submitted for 564 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:18,400 dance recording, Yeah, Megan being dance electronic album and 565 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,560 all the other pop ones that go to vanish until you have a 566 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,600 mistaken killer. So I think. 567 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,840 Yeah, we'll have to circle back to the when, when? 568 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,040 Well, for sure to for sure to. Make yes, yes. 569 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,639 And I think we should circle back once the actual nominations 570 00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:39,560 come out. Yeah, yeah. 571 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,840 I don't know if Abracadabra would get record off the year. 572 00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:48,239 And yeah, once again, I don't really know much people that 573 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:49,719 have released. Obviously this talks about 574 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:55,000 Kendrick with Sabrina Chapel. Ryan's kind of a bit of a Grammy 575 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:59,600 darling, and I don't know if that's changing. 576 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,840 Well, I mean, you know, the rise and fall of vintage Princess 577 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:08,320 only being out two years and now her super stardom being 578 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:09,920 plummeted? Yeah. 579 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:11,320 Plummeted. No. 580 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,560 Exploding. Yeah. 581 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,800 Yeah. I think with such a small frame 582 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,960 of reference, it does look like she's a Grammy darling, but you 583 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:25,080 know, who's to say? Yeah, I think they thought she 584 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:30,280 might have like, what's a weird like stay within the boundaries 585 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:35,040 like And because she hasn't, I can see them being like, don't 586 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:35,800 know about you. I don't. 587 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,880 Know. But I mean, it's like, what's 588 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,040 that new song called? Subway. 589 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:48,120 Yeah, the subway. I could see that going for like 590 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:52,800 songwriting a song of the year. But you know, as I see it, for 591 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,360 pop vocal performance, I think, yeah, her voice is incredibly 592 00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:01,880 strong on this, yes. Yes, yeah, I it's a shame it 593 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:06,880 wasn't released earlier. I think it would have been 594 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,000 really successful, but it just took so long to come out. 595 00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:15,200 Yeah, just I don't even know if I'm in like a bubble per SE. 596 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:19,080 Yeah, but I think it's like it's a really big song. 597 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,880 And. Again, especially in such like a 598 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:26,000 low stakes, Yeah, I think she could just be snatching it. 599 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:32,440 But again, it comes down to, is Gaga going to be darling this 600 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,320 year? Is the Academy going to just put 601 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,120 everything on Gaga? Where are they going to go? 602 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:39,800 Well, I can't go for Gaga for everything. 603 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,160 But I think like, I just feel like there's a lot of talk about 604 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,920 her behind the scenes and like, this is her last album. 605 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,600 Yeah, just like. I I feel like that's a topic of 606 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,800 debate like. Because Gaga's never won out of 607 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,640 the year. No, which was so cool to see. 608 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,120 I think I'd cry. Yeah, I I think I'd cry if she 609 00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:58,800 won. Also kind of annoying to be with 610 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,480 Mayhem. Also, Beyoncé and Gaga are 611 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,880 winning back-to-back. A dream. 612 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,600 Actually. And then Telephone Part 2 comes 613 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:11,520 out. Oh my God, no. 614 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,560 Yeah, I would. I would love to see Lady Gaga 615 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,840 take home album of the year. I do think she's done a bit of 616 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:24,240 work, but I'll take my ones. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 617 00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:28,920 Apparently, like it's like kind of being debated between her and 618 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,440 Kendrick Lamar. I can't really speak too much on 619 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,480 Kendrick Lamar because I just it. 620 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,920 Was not like class this year. I can't remember. 621 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,200 Oh my. God it might be that might be 622 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:44,880 getting some of. The I think it's the one with 623 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:49,680 scissor Luther I've never heard. I just like know it. 624 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,720 Yes. Because I think he, yeah. 625 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,080 Because I think he released an album like back-to-back maybe. 626 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,880 Maybe not like US was last year. I have to cheer. 627 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:08,080 I yeah, I I don't know. But no, I have. 628 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,480 I just have the sense that album of the year category is going to 629 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,200 be a lot of albums. I'm like, I don't know you or 630 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,840 just how like. Oh no, not like this was last 631 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,160 year. Oh, OK, Five awards. 632 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:24,000 Write it up. Yeah, I mean, I saw like, 633 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,360 productions like Elton John. Apparently he released an album. 634 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,240 Oh. Yeah. 635 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,560 Yeah, I think. But what what I've seen as 636 00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:42,800 between Gaga and Kendrick Lamar, I think Sabrina was like being 637 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,760 talked about before she released an album. 638 00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:51,160 Well, I also think again, the cut off being August 30th and 639 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,760 her releasing August 29th and I think that's coincidence. 640 00:38:55,600 --> 00:39:00,000 No, like, I think she, she or her team or whoever pushed it 641 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:04,640 out with purpose to be in this Grammy cycle, whether that was, 642 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,920 you know, Taylor being like, well, I'm releasing next year 643 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,280 and then he'll be like, cool. August 29th. 644 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:11,880 Yeah. Yeah. 645 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:13,600 Like we've got to be in a different cycle. 646 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:18,160 But yeah, I, yeah. I don't know if Sabrina will. 647 00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:21,640 Yeah, I don't think she'll be anything. 648 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:27,320 I'm just not saying like the the critical like buzz around. 649 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,360 It there's not a lot of critical buzz, I don't think the 650 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,520 songwriting's strong enough and a lot of them to carry on to 651 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,560 like an actual songwriting credit in terms of the Grammys 652 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,560 and the Academy. I don't think the vocal 653 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,320 performances are strong enough for the Grammys of the Academy. 654 00:39:41,720 --> 00:39:46,320 I don't think the sound of the album is strong enough. 655 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,040 And it's just, it's not even that it was a terribly bad 656 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:50,320 album. Maybe we should review that as 657 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,720 well, But it's not even that it was a terribly bad album, it's 658 00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:57,480 just not exceeding in anyone. Field It's like what Sophologist 659 00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,440 said. It's not a bad album, but it's 660 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,880 not an excellent album. No, it's OK And that's OK. 661 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,440 Yeah. Yeah. 662 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,920 And I feel like her being awarded last year and then kind 663 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,680 of delivering a very similar product, the the the comedy, I 664 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:17,000 can see just being like, OK. Maybe she'll submit for comedy 665 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:22,000 album. This is a side joke because King 666 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,680 Axel here was not liking the album at all and then like 2 667 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,800 weeks later they came to me and they were like wait no I get it 668 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,680 now. It's like comedy, and I was. 669 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,120 Like it's like comedy. Yeah, she's just having a laugh. 670 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,400 And now I'm like snoozed on it again. 671 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:41,520 Yes, it's hard. That's nice. 672 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,680 I mean, when you make a character of yourself, you 673 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:51,280 become the joke. So the only things we can do is 674 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,080 laugh. Sometimes in life, all you could 675 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:58,400 do is laugh. I mean, we kind of forgot to 676 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,360 talk about wicked. Do we think wicked? 677 00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:05,160 Now Wicked would be Part 1. That's right, because Part 2 678 00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,960 doesn't come out at all. I don't think it could do any of 679 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,280 the like Visual Media Awards because it's not original 680 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:16,880 content. Yeah, but also if it can. 681 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,720 Even. Be I don't even know if it's the 682 00:41:19,720 --> 00:41:24,960 album cover. I don't know, yeah, I actually 683 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:26,560 think wicked might just not be literal. 684 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,600 Like full stop. Interesting. 685 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:33,640 Interesting because I think they're certainly really 686 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,520 counting on next year. Yeah. 687 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,680 Because also with the two new original songs and like it being 688 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:43,200 when we're spread out, I think in the same way that Gaga's 689 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,440 shotgunning this year, I think Wicked shotgunning next year for 690 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,480 a while. Theatrical, yeah, categories, 691 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,920 yeah. But also I could see Wicked Part 692 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,240 2 getting like potentially pop vocal performance. 693 00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,160 I. Don't think Wicked is. 694 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,560 It depends what else comes out. I just don't think Wicked's 695 00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:08,320 doing as well as they thought it would in terms of being a ward 696 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:12,920 bait. It's hard because I think they 697 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,600 did get snubbed last year in the acting rule. 698 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:21,240 I, I think there is a little bit of a little, I don't know a word 699 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,440 like ever since Gaga to the Star is born, there's been a trained 700 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:30,000 off pop stars doing following the same lead to get the Academy 701 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,400 Award. Yeah, actually, I don't even 702 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:38,240 know if that's the actual case in this because, you know, there 703 00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:42,200 is a history of Ariana being obsessed with Wicked in 704 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,120 particular, and I can see her really wanting that. 705 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:51,760 Whether or not Gaga's success in A Star Is Born ultimately 706 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,080 determined whether or not they casted a pop star like Ariana 707 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,920 Grande. Potentially, but. 708 00:42:59,240 --> 00:43:00,880 Yeah. I just think Ariana Grande's 709 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,520 performance to kind of sidetrack what the Grammys to the Academy 710 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:08,240 Awards, I think her performance is quite early, just a mimic of 711 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:10,360 that. Christian Chenoweth. 712 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:20,040 Yeah, yeah, I, I. I don't there are no answers to 713 00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:20,720 it. Yeah. 714 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:25,200 Especially like watching Christian Chenoweth stage 715 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,360 performance, it is incredibly different to what I Underground 716 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,000 is doing. Yeah, yeah. 717 00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:35,240 I think vocally wants to stay really true to Christian 718 00:43:35,240 --> 00:43:37,680 Schumer's, which honestly might hurt her in something like the 719 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:42,520 Grammys. Well, I have to say yes, yes, 720 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:49,800 because I also see like a few of the pop duo recording. 721 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,400 I could see them getting a pop duo recording. 722 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,560 Do they don't have an original song? 723 00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,240 I'm pretty sure that song has to be original. 724 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,160 I don't know if you can do a cover. 725 00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,680 But it's not technically a cover. 726 00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:09,880 I think it would. Fall on me because. 727 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:14,080 It's never been in the actual Grammys before. 728 00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:19,800 I I think it's just, it can't be something's been put forward on 729 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,160 nominated before. To know. 730 00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,000 Because it's not. I don't know. 731 00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,360 Yeah. I'm trying to think of. 732 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:35,200 How the Grammy rules works and interacts with theatre and 733 00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,400 movies. It's always a bit strange, yes. 734 00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:43,000 So I guess what to say? Yeah, yeah. 735 00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:48,400 I feel like that's kind of. Yeah, I don't know. 736 00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:53,280 It's, it's, I'm not super excited for this year's Grammys. 737 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,560 I mean, you really am. But like like I said, there 738 00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:01,680 hasn't been a lot of releases. I'm just kind of gunning for 739 00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:06,200 Gaga. Would be cool to see if the game 740 00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,160 part of that. Good luck everybody. 741 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,720 Good luck, everybody. You know, I don't know, I feel 742 00:45:13,720 --> 00:45:18,720 like it's going to be Gaga sitting there with a bunch of 743 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:23,640 kids who aren't like, you know, I don't want to say they're not 744 00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,080 ready to win Grammys, but like it's going to be like, it's not 745 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,400 the era of the early twenty 10s or the late 2000s where it was 746 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,720 like star standard, everyone fighting for it. 747 00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:37,040 It's like. Like, I feel like Gaga will be 748 00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,520 the Beyoncé. Was it last year's Grammys? 749 00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:40,680 Yeah. Well, the year before. 750 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,600 No, I think the year before when she. 751 00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:48,120 Because it was before before Cowboy caught her and she like 752 00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,280 hadn't been seen and she shouted to the Grammys and everyone got 753 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,680 it was like a meeting great with Beyoncé for the celebrities. 754 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:56,680 Do you remember that? No. 755 00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:02,000 It's when she wore the hat. Oh, was that not Kabukata yet? 756 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,080 No, it was her teasing Cowboy kata. 757 00:46:05,240 --> 00:46:07,920 You're right. I feel like there's Gaga on 758 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,880 this. Because I honestly I think 759 00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,360 people were more surprised that she would show up. 760 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:17,160 Not really nominated or put Ford for any or many awards because I 761 00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,640 think she won a non televised one for the Renaissance film, 762 00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:26,600 but she wore the hat and I think people were just surprised that 763 00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,200 she would come. Yeah, considering getting 764 00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,360 snubbed last year when you run before she had album of the 765 00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,000 year. Yeah, yeah. 766 00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:36,960 She was like humility if nothing else. 767 00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:42,240 Yeah, yeah. I think it's up for today's 768 00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:44,520 episode. Yeah, put your paws up, 769 00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,280 everybody. Thank you so much for tuning in 770 00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,280 to Jobless Behavior. 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