Hello everyone, and welcome to the special Week 8 edition of In
Season ADP Chasing. We're throwing the bag,
defending the coping, the victory, lapping out.
This week we have a new show, new show format.
We're joined by special guest Jacob Sanderson, who's going to
help us do an early check in on all the rookie pass catchers,
wide receivers and tight ends and rank them in terms of the
rest of season outlook. Let's do it.
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leagues, that's going to be really nice.
Actually back in if it's Austinette.
It's tear into our crystal ball. Close your eyes, you know all
your entries are going to lose. Anyway, yeah.
That's fair. This is a douche von show.
It's. Anti cabal.
It's anti the best ball thought leader.
I'm obviously lying to some degree because like, I have a
lot of both of these guys. It's the most disgusting.
Thing you can make but. Man.
Davis Jacob, thanks for joining us today on short notice.
I'm excited for the show. Jacob, how you doing today?
I'm doing great. I mean, as an as a devoted audio
listener of ADP Chasing, the only time that I get to see that
intro is when I'm a guest on ADP Chasing.
And it is, it's really the number one reason why I agree to
come on the show. It's such a treat.
It really is the best part of the show.
I mean, there's no arguing that we we have our other bits.
We do. We do the Justin Fields
arguments. No, no, the the best bit.
But. The the best bit is the Russell
Wilson and Justin Fields bit, of which I'm mostly a bystander,
like mostly that's you and Karain Steel, although I
certainly aligned more with Karain on that.
I I'm just so, I'm just so annoyed by that and like, boy.
Were we looking good? For 1/4, because like Mike
Tomlin does things that like Mike Tomlin's whole bit is doing
things that sometimes they're just objectively incorrect, like
punting on 4th and a half yard from the 45 yard line.
And then sometimes he does things that seem incorrect to us
spreadsheet socialists like benching Justin Fields for
Russell Wilson. But regardless of whether it's
objectively or or potentially incorrect, it is always anti
cabal and it always works. It's just he just wins games.
He goes no matter what we want, he's going to go 10 and seven.
He's going to lose the wild card round by 17 points, but he's
going. To maybe.
Maybe not this year, brother, maybe, maybe not, Maybe not this
year. This.
Year. Someone in the chat is asking
they were looking for a Fields tweet for me in quarter one.
Buddy, I was asleep after that slate yesterday.
There was not a game on earth that could have gotten me to
watch Saturday Night Football. I mean, it could have been like
Tom Brady coming down off the stands and starting for the
Steelers and and RFK Junior starting at tight end for The
Jets and I I would not have watched.
There was nothing that could have got me to watch more
football yesterday. Yeah, I will say this comment
from crutches. Oh sorry, crutches in the chat.
It was very suspicious that Russell Wilson went off last
night and Pat missed the show today allegedly for for dad
duties. I will give him a little credit.
He did message me before. Russ had a good game last night
that he was going to miss the show.
Said this was not him dodging the fields rust to be.
I'll give Pat some credit for that.
I will say I thought it was fun. I don't know if you guys were
watching the broadcast last night, but I thought the switch
that Chris Collinsworth had from the first quarter to like the
second to fourth quarters was hilarious.
Like in quarter one, he's basically saying, yeah, Mike
Tomlin told me that, like Russell Wilson actually sucks.
Like he's ready to bench him like immediately in any moment.
And then Russ makes like one good play and Collinsworth is
like, wow, look at that touch from Russell Wilson.
Like no one else can throw a deep ball like that.
His moon ball is special. So it it was funny because.
Collinsworth is really good at that.
He just kind of picks up on the vibe, you know, he just, he just
whatever direction it's going, you know, talk about a guy.
Collinsworth is is great man. I love, I like that because that
game was such a switch, right? Like the the early portion of
that game I really, really enjoyed.
Like we had Tomlin having the Regis punt, The Jets going right
down and scoring off of the punt.
We had Ross looking washed like that was everything I wanted to
experience out of that game. And then, and then I stopped
watching because I had, I had my NBA home league fantasy draft
that I had to do. So I turned the, the football
game off. I come back on to see that
Garrett Wilson has had like the most egregious drop into
interception ever and that Russell Wilson is now cooking.
And I, I hated every single moment of that.
My my like I'm sure people are looking for like a really biased
pro rust take for me. I'll give give my honest lovely.
I think he ironically pro Russ just because you're anti feels
that you have to like embrace Russ.
I know you don't actually like Russ.
No one likes no I I've just been back into this corner because of
how absurd the pro feels. People we're at we're at points
this season. Not not saying he was like a
terrible 19th 20th round pick on DraftKings.
That's totally fine. Anyways, my unironic like real
take on Russ is just that you you watch Justin Fields play for
the Steelers and there are very few times where he just makes a
read, throws the ball, gets out on time and Ross is just able to
do that. And his passes weren't perfect.
Like obviously some of those deep balls to George Pickens,
the one to Pat Fryermuth, like his receivers bailed him out
with some awesome catches. But he throws the ball give his
gives his receivers a chance in a way that Justin Fields doesn't
consistently do. Now, at the same time, when Ross
had to like make a play on the move, we have to if you had to
like scramble and throw on the run, his accuracy looked pretty
awful to me. Like he's not going to give you
the scrambling that Justin Fields can.
So I honestly think this is like, the story isn't over on
this quarterback debate this. Quarterback, no, it's, it's
pretty over unless we get like a three interception Russell
Wilson game. I don't think we're going to get
that. Like I just, I think that's the
one thing that he's not going to do.
I don't think he's going to fall over that much, even as bad as
he was last. Year.
He only took one sack all over last night.
Yeah, he was avoiding sacks too well.
That I think will probably change.
I don't, I don't trust him to continue to avoid sacks.
I I do trust him for picks. But yeah, I think I think
there'll be games when the offense falls out.
Like we we watched him the last two years.
He was not good. I don't see a reason why in this
offense he would be necessarily better.
I definitely think there were a lot of like 5050 balls that were
caught and in a different version of this game, if those
5050 balls are dropped, then we're talking about, you know,
Oh my God, Russell 7 -, 8 CPOE or whatever else.
So that that's definitely I think possible in future weeks.
But I mean, credit to Mike Tollom and they scored 37
points. Even if someone hosts for, you
know, defensively and obviously and Russ looked looked plenty
good enough, that definitely gives you a chance.
Like that moon ball just hangs in the air.
It's a lot easier as a jump ball receiver to catch that then like
Fields just chucking lasers. Yeah, that was the biggest
difference was off play action. I think.
I forget whoever had the tweets might have been JJ, but I could
be misattributing that. Fields was averaging like 5.2
yards per attempt on play action pass attempts and Ross was like
something in the neighborhood of like 18 obviously in a
ridiculous sample last night where just his deep balls are
are a lot yeah, prettier to watch where his Fields he throws
a very flat and frankly kind of ugly deep ball.
Yeah, I agree with that. And credit to I don't know if
that specific tweeter was JJ or who it was, but Hayden had been
all over that before this week. Saying that this is the reason
you go to Ross is the. Play action game.
Like that's in theory where he can be better than Fields.
And I think that it's one game, like I'm not taking 18 yards per
attempt or whatever as a face value stat, but he certainly
looked better in that facet than Fields did last night.
So we'll see. Let's move on to what the meat
of the show is today. We're going to be looking at the
rookie pass catcher. So both wide receivers and tight
ends, Brock Bowers is going to be including this conversation.
We each individually ranked them one through 12 in terms of the
rest of season outlook. So not factoring in like their
draft cost, like we're not saying Troy Franklin has a 20th
round pick versus Marvin Harrison is the first round
pick. Just straight up.
Like if you were in some imaginary world where you could
only draft rookies, you're drafting them for the rest of
season outlook. How would you rank them one
through 12? I think the we can have the
tight end conversation when we get to it.
I'm curious like how people factored in the tight end versus
wide receiver stuff. We got the Bowers and things
like that. But that's don't think too hard
about it. That's a general idea.
Just top 12 rookie pass catchers rest of season based on how
they've done so far and how we're projecting them going
forward. So I'll share my screen here.
We're going to start going one through 12.
Let's see, can I make this bigger on the screen anyway?
Got to zoom in. Got to zoom in OK.
Like like if you click view and use like it's not going to make
it bigger in our stream yard window.
I mean, maybe there is a way, but I I'm not technologically
advanced enough to do that. You know what?
I think it's good enough. Right now it's fine.
Yeah, wish we had Pete here to help out with this, but this,
this will be good enough. You can see if we're going to go
through them one, one through 12.
So starting at the top, starting with the most important player.
Generally what we're going to do is this is how the formats
roughly going to work. If if someone is like the lone
dissenter in terms of their opinion, we'll give them the
opportunity to speak first, kind of share like the dissenting
opinion on why they're different on a player, and then we'll kick
it to the consensus for the rebuttal.
So starting with number one, I will UN blur this out here and
the number one player that we have for rookie pass catchers
ranked us this season is Malik neighbors average rank of 1.3.
Davis and I had them had him as our number one player.
Jacob had him as our number two. I'm going to go ahead and reveal
#2 as well. Will you?
Will you change mine? I want to.
I actually want to join Jacob on this.
Will you? Will you change mine?
Jacob is right.
Davis is so afraid of when and now you just gave it away to the
entire audience. So that was that was that was
unfortunate. Oh, did I?
I'm. You did.
I'm choosing not to look, though I haven't seen it because I want
to maintain my Rawlsian veil of ignorance, so I will be.
I'm not looking, but the audience definitely saw.
OK, well, don't whatever, but let's we'll, we'll change your
rank. Davis.
I'll figure out how to do that. But Jacob, I'll give it away.
You had Bowers. The original center.
Yeah, you as the original center.
You had Bowers at number one over Malik Neighbors.
So I'm curious for that case, like speak to either Bowers or
Neighbors and why you have Bowers ranked #1.
Yeah, basically, I think that there's a lot of similarities
between these two guys. Like you look at yards per out
run, Bowers is 2.26, Malik Neighbors 2.25.
Targets Per out run is marginally higher for Malik
Neighbors, but it's also a lead for Brock Bowers.
And the major roadblock to either of these guys having like
massive upside in a given week is just how many touchdowns is
this offense going to score, right?
It's it's often times the answer that's going to be one, maybe
it's going to be two. And so it makes it a little bit
hard for these guys to hit like 40 point upside versus some of
the players in more potent offenses.
So if I'm looking at like more or less the same profile, but
one of them and like, I don't know exactly the parameters of,
of how, you know, we should qualify how excited we are.
But the way I looked at it is basically just who am I most
excited to see on a given underdog team, it's advancing or
a redraft team or any team as it goes into the playoffs.
And to me, that's Bowers, largely because famously the
tight end position sucks pretty hard this year.
So the potential for Bowers to just massively gap the tight end
position is is huge. And then also just based on kind
of where he was drafted is like a little bit in the back of my
mind where like neighbors is obviously such a phenomenal pick
anywhere you took him. But the fact that you're able to
get Bowers where we're able to get Bowers, like that's just the
player where if you were able to hit on a couple other teams,
those wind up being massive super teams.
So that's that's probably the number one guy like maybe like
if any player in the pool, honestly, that if I'm, if I
could choose to have one player on a team that I know I I'm
going to advance into the play offs, like it would probably be
Brock Bowers. Not, not Henry.
Well. Davis.
If you have 0 Henry teams then it's kind of a relevant
discussion. Let me check I I highly don't
have 0. Henry teams, but I don't think
that that's directionally inaccurate.
Yeah, I don't have a ton. It's not either to be honest.
So that's. Let me explain.
Let me explain why I just two. Percent of the big dog.
So that's a lot of sheet that's actually they actually took away
my my apartment. So that's all I live under
actually is my 2% exposure sheet to Derrick Henry after the day
with me. I, I changed my vote because the
Andrew Thomas thing, we, we saw the impact of it like literally
immediately, like ball mowers were saying it's going to change
their whole protection scheme. Because what they used to be
able to do was they would just stick Andrew Thomas on an island
and they'd worry about the other side.
So the running back would chip in on the other side or, or
there they would have to scheme up the production through the
middle or through the right. Because Andrew Thomas is just
like literally the best. Like he's just winning his
one-on-one battle. Sometimes his two on one battle,
like sometimes they'll be two guys over him and he will kind
of dissuade them both because he's so good and just like.
He's out for the year, right? Sorry.
Sorry, Davis. Yeah, yeah.
OK, yeah. And so immediately the Wandale
PPR scam becomes more important because Daniel Jones has to get
it back. And immediately neighbors, A dot
goes down as well. And we also already saw like,
oh, all right, Daniel Jones head to the bench.
Brother. I I think they said he was hurt,
but I mean, let's be real. So now we've got like the the
Daniel Jones drew lot. It's just like it to me, that's
a situation where you're on A4 win team.
The other thing is the defense is like pretty good.
You know, they're, they're playing these really tight first
halfs and like so the way Dabel and the and the coaches are
doing the game plan, they're they're like, oh, we don't, we
don't want to try and score like we'll let's try it.
Let's literally try and win 6:50.
That's what they tried to do against the Bengals.
Neighbors wasn't playing in that game, but basically I think
Neighbors A dot will trend down. I think his targets per route
run will be fine, but I bet the the yards per route run trends
down a smidge. And I I actually saw the
craziest stat today. Brock Bowers is on pace to break
Fukunukua's rookie receptions record.
Yeah, he's on pace for like 115 receptions.
Yeah, actually I ran this today. He's on pace for 115 catches for
11150 receiving yards this season.
So truly insane. Paige, just from like APR volume
perspective, Truly insane. Sorry, sorry, Davis, didn't mean
to interrupt. Interrupt.
You there? Well, basically I just think
like there's a non zero chance and neighbors just are Bowers
just scores more half PPR points for the rest of the season then
neighbors and he's also eligible at a position where no one
scores fantasy points ever. So I I just, I think I would
wrap almost regardless of format, regardless of whatever.
I think I would just rather have Bowers than neighbors.
Yeah, I, I think this is interesting.
You guys are like really close to, to selling me on flipping.
I think it's like very, very close.
I, I have these per route numbers here.
Just for context, Bowers and neighbors are nearly identical
in terms of target earning yards per route run.
And like you said, they're kind of in similar situations where
it's not a good offense. Like either of them are on
offenses that are going to project to score a ton of
points. The reason I type broke to
neighbors is because I do think this Giants offense is like
normal bad and this Raiders offense has potential to be like
like bottom one percentile bad based on who they're throwing
out there right now. Now ain't no Connell's injured.
So Minshew's back in does that. Matter Minshew is way better by
the way. I think he's like, I think
Minshew. I get why the coach has benched
him because he's like a he's an absolute Baker.
He's just handing out turnovers. But like from a fantasy
production perspective, I don't care how many interceptions he
throws. Like so and he he I think
clearly like makes more stuff happen, right?
Like he just kind of scrambles around.
He finds guys like whereas Aiden O'Connell, I think is just kind
of a total nothing burger. Like we saw when he was in there
last year. It was just like non event
football. So I'm not not happy for Aiden
O'connell's sake, but I'm, I'm like happy for Brock Bowers and
Jacoby Myers sake that we're getting Minshew back in there, I
think. I guess, yeah, I guess just to
finish my point, like I I could be wrong about this and someone
can maybe even crunch the numbers on this.
Like if you're looking at implied team totals over the
rest of the season, I would guess the Giants, even though
they're bad or still like a tear above the Raiders.
Now, if you want to sell me on this Andrew Thomas thing, like
knocking that expectation way down.
I, I, I see that argument. It's just for me that like
neighbors, he can get there on just like 60 yard TD bombs in a
way that. Brought that.
Yeah, so like this like PPR scammy player.
I guess this is like maybe like a platform conversation like
DraftKings versus underdogs too. Because even though Bowers, I
agree with Jacob that he's going to be this like mega smash in
terms of like receptions yardage, like his role is so
insane. Is he going to break the tight
end position? I'm not sure just because of the
like the touchdowns. I don't know man like that.
That's where I struggle with them, but you're comparing them
to neighbors and neighbors has those concerns as well.
So I think this is really close, you guys, I.
Guess to me it's a threshold, right?
Like if neighbors goes like if neighbors goes 9 for 90 and 0 on
underdog as a receiver, that's like borderline meaningless in a
playoff week. Whereas if Bowers does that,
it's possible that like the Titan four in a week has like 6
points and that he's still able to separate with that.
And I I don't know what sites we're supposed to consider in
this exercise. Like in my mind, I was thinking
about this from underdog DraftKings and FFPC perspective.
And on FFPC, Brock is just like an absolute hammer because he
just comes pre loaded with eight for 80 every single week and
he's locking 20 points into your lineup like it's.
It's so that that's. Partially what push it over the
edge for me too is the FFPC. Consideration yeah that's fair
like yeah, this is FFPC if we made that specifically this
format, I think like Bowers is for sure consensus one O 1 there
all right just a couple of things saying that he just gets
there every week by the way like I don't know how it happens.
I didn't even think this was going to work.
Like famously, I'm on record. Hyperbolically claiming he's the
greatest football player of all time.
And I did not think that when Devonte Adams moved away that
this was going to like work, that they were.
Just going to show the lack of imagination we'll.
Throw like all of our targets to a tight end and like he'll still
be efficient and catch all of them.
Like I that seemed problematic to me.
It does not matter. Like he's he's just so good,
actual hell and he just gets there every week.
It is insane. He also, like, this is like on
the margins, but he does have a little bit of room to grow in
route participation. He's at 75% now, which is not
out of line. Yeah.
It's like, yeah, you could get him up to 85.
Like Trey McBride's at 86, Kelsey's at 88.
So I can see a world where they get him up even higher there.
And just like this is like a just a film take, but I've
watched a lot of tight ends for this established run article I'm
doing this year, including Brock Bowers.
And it's just like undeniably true that Brock Bowers moves way
differently than all tight ends in the NFL right now.
Besides like George Kittle maybe.
Yeah. Like he he wins one on ones in
man coverage versus corners. Like you, you watch like Tucker
Craft Hunter Henry, Kyle Pitts, even Dalton Cade, whatever.
Try to do that. Not going to happen.
Brock. Brock Bowers can win those
matchups in the Ravens game, is what I'm thinking back to you
specifically with this take is like he's just out there like
routing up like safeties and corners and just like bullying
them and winning like that's just sick to watch for a tight
end, so. And one other thing on Bowers,
and this was a big part of the case I was making for him is
they had a segment on the broadcast yesterday where they
just did a cut up of him blocking.
And they were talking about like his quotes and he was like, I
love blocking even more than I love receiving.
Like I just love football. Like I just want to be
everything that I've played. Like imagine, imagine Kyle Pitts
ever giving that quote. Like if you ask Kyle Pitts what
he thinks about blocking, he would be like, it's an
unfortunate byproduct of the game I've chosen to play.
And rock power is like, I just want to I just want to knock
over a dude's face. Like that's that's how you stay
on the field. The NFL is a Ricky tight end is
you. You love blocking more than you
love receiving. Yeah, and last thing, I just got
to get all my Bowers love out here.
I realize it's maybe beating a dead horse or whatever the
opposite of that is for a good thing, but Brock Bowers on the
season, 28% targets were outrun, 2.3 yards per outrun.
I just have this very simple like rookie year database where
I make statistical comps just based on targets for outrun,
yards for outrun. Like nothing fancy, just purely
statistical comps. If he was a wide receiver, these
would be his closest statistical comps in my model.
Tyree Hill, Drake London, Chris Olave, Rashi Rice, Kukunakua and
then Christian Watson and Mark Davis.
Bryan but. Hey man, Christian Watson.
Not not dead, brother. Far, far.
From you as as the person who made him my Gold Star play last
week, I I think I've had enough of Christian Watson for a while.
Well, to be fair, you you didn't know.
You didn't know Wix was going to play, to be fair.
That's true, but I still played Christian Watson in The Spy.
So it was. It was fun.
Well. Packers wide receiver, just
whatever the opposite of like the narrative is going into the
week. Just just choose that because
God, it's been so brutal. But yeah, anyway, my point is.
Like Wicks is back, brother. Like, yeah.
Thank God that we play a lot of basketball because the Dontavian
Wicks that has been in my line UPS.
In FFBCI stakes versus the dot, Fabian Wicks that are sitting on
my bench are two very different players.
So all right, we're going to move on here to #3 I, I do think
would you guys say this is the end of the tier?
Malik Neighbors and Bowers? That's kind of how I view it,
no? I I think the next guy is very
sneaky. In this tier.
OK, All right. It's like a.
One A1B situation but. It is.
It's A1A1 B 1.7 C. OK, so no one's no one's stuck
on their priors. We've all we've all moved on and
we all we've got three we've all moved on here.
You would still be a Marvin guy. I know.
Yeah, I was I like basically set up this entire show to debate
someone on Marvin Harrison versus Brian Thomas and no one
took the bait. So I am disappointed in that
boring next to picks though Brian Thomas and Marvin Harrison
junior consensus 34I. I had a hard time like coming up
with arguments to rank this any other way.
I also had a hard time like there's no one else you can
realistically put up four over Marvin Harrison.
Like that's overthinking it too, in my opinion.
So I don't have a time to say Jacob all actually, Davis, I'll
kick it to you here. You you seem most like
optimistic about ranking Brian Thomas in the same tier as
Neighbors and Bowers. I almost for the bit ranked
Bowers 1, Brian Thomas 2, like Neighbors 3.
But that, you know, that just flies in the face, just flies in
the face of what Neighbors has put on the field.
And it's too much focusing on like Daniel Jones is his
quarterback and the team is cratering around him.
But Brian Thomas junior, I'll say this, Brian Thomas junior
has been a lot closer to Mr. Neighbors than he has been to
Marvin Harrison junior, who there's two things you can do
that make his numbers look really funny.
The first is you can just remove the Rams game entirely.
And then the other thing is you can just look at all the stats
not recorded in the first quarter and you might say, well,
Davis, that is stupid. Why would you do that?
The first quarter stuff is the scripted stuff.
The first quarter stuff is what the coaches spend like half of
practice being like, we're just going to do really well on these
plays. And then for the rest of the
game they kind of adjust. It kind of goes on who's playing
well, what is there if Brian Thomas junior was named who,
which one? I think 1 of you guys tweeted
this or maybe someone else did. I've I've tweeted like. 10
versions of the same joke, and Twitter finally took the bait.
Yeah, if he was named Reggie Wayne Junior, he would have been
a top ten pick. And yeah, it's it's so obvious.
Well, that's. True, that's.
True. It's so obvious it's true.
And it's so obvious it's true. The Marvin Harrison Junior like
has like a pretty good production profile at Ohio
State, but not like, you know, I mean, was he was he was he the
best Ohio State wide receiver prospect of all time in terms of
what he put on the field? That's a question for Jacob that
I don't really know the answer to, to be honest, but.
He did have like he had like I think he had like 3.2 yards per
route run or something. So he was, he was pretty
phenomenal. But yeah, I mean, I thought he
was like, he was clearly. Excellent.
He was clearly an excellent prospect, like there's no doubt
about that. But I, I felt somewhat similarly
about him to what I felt about Caleb Williams, which was like
going into the evaluation, I was expected to be like blown
completely away. And then my conclusion was like,
oh, he's like a good wide receiver prospect.
Like I, I had a chart in my pre draft article where I put up his
profile next to other similarly hyped early declare top five or
top 6 picks. So like him next to like Amari
Cooper, Malik neighbors, AJ Green, Julio Jones, Sammy
Watkins. And it was like definitely hard
to make the claim that he would have.
He was the most productive of them.
Like to you know, you'd have to go from like a film basis to
really say why he was clearly better than these guys.
Like to me, like Jamar Chase was was pretty solidly a better
prospect in terms of his production that it, you know,
and how early it came. People, people love to like
retcon Amari Cooper not being the greatest wide receiver
prospect of. All time.
No, he was. Greatest NFL he was yeah, all
time, but he just straight up was the best wide receiver
prospect of all time if you're willing to be objective about
it. So it's you know, but I think he
was great. The, the one flag that I think
has come true that I, I came up with on Marvin or not I came up
with, but noted in Marvin, Harrison is like Malik Neighbors
had 51 missed tackles forced as an NFL prospect, whereas
Harrison had, I mean, I thought I'd be able to find that in the
search before I finished, but it was, it was like a ridiculously
low number. I believe it was like 12O14.
Neighbors had 51 and Marvin Harrison had 14.
So like the difference between them is open field players is
just like immense. So it was, that was kind of like
in my article, I had neighbors at 3:00 because I'm a coward.
But I I said, like, I think he actually has the higher ceiling
just because he's more of a three level talent.
And so far we've seen Harrison get siphoned into this like, oh,
he's just playing X wide receiver.
And and some people have, I think begrudged that.
I think it kind of makes sense because that's what he does best
from a real life perspective. Like I would love to see him get
more Gimme targets from a fantasy lens, but I don't think
that he actually is that great on those Gimme targets because
he's pretty unlikely to make open field plays compared to
someone like a Neighbors or a Thomas, where not only are those
Gimme targets helpful for fantasy, but I think that
they're more likely to add stuff for the offense.
Like, I'm not actually sure that he is better than Trey McBride
or Greg Dorch at like handling a.
Yeah, I I agree with that. Now, that was like what always
stuck out to me in the Marvin Harrison thing over the
offseason is like, we we were nitpicking him as a prospect
over the offseason for sure. But like the one nitpick that
people consistently came up with is like, yeah, he's not, he's
not that dynamic of a yards after the catch weapon.
Like, he's not horrible at it, but you're not going to design
an offense around getting Marvin Harrison the ball on screens.
He was supposed to kind of be like a super giga mega elite
possession wide receiver basically.
Yeah, like the Cop. The upside comp is like DeAndre
Hopkins, I think. Exactly.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Yeah, exactly. And that's what I was like.
Does a receiver that is upside comp is DeAndre Hopkins?
Is that the type of wide receiver that like, hits his
ceiling? As well the the issue.
I was skeptical. Famously, DeAndre Hopkins did
not like he he did not that much as a rookie.
Got a lot better year 2 and then year 3 is when it was like,
well. The the NFL is also drifting
away from that style of player. Like the the guy you kind of
want to be now is either the splash play guy or the yak guy.
You don't want to be, you don't want to be DeAndre.
Like who is the DeAndre Hopkins archetype right now that is
smashing? Yeah, I don't know, like Deonte
Johnson's maybe like kind of like that.
Obviously a different player in a lot of.
No, that's that's he's. Twitchy.
He's like. Johnny Johnson is notably
notably like the worst yak wide receiver in NFL history.
But like not for lack of twitch, more because he forgets which
way the end zone is and. Which, yeah, more concealed.
He really runs he. Runs backwards.
Yeah. So he, he's a weird one, Yeah.
My my fear with Harrison, like the the downside comp, not that
he didn't have a great career, but like one guy he reminded me
a lot of coming out of college. He was also a people forget how
elite of a prospect he was. But some options that are
missing is Michael Crabtree. Oh, interesting.
I kind of like, I kind of like that one a little bit.
I think of Crabtree is like even more like contested catchy than
I expect Marvin Harrison to be, but I kind of see that.
Yeah, Crabtree, kind of by the way, like in a roundabout way
did sort of get there. Like it took a long time.
Yeah, he was. Yeah, he was.
Pretty good. Like he was clearly a good
player. I mean, I think it's one of
those things where like sometimes you get these
ridiculous college prospects and they don't really hit the way
that you hope they would hit. And people love to forget.
Like Michael Crabtree was a red shirt freshman and had 134
receptions, 19162 yards and 22 touchdowns.
Like he was. Like like just is one of the
best wide receiver prospects we've ever seen.
And and then he didn't really hit and people were like, he
wasn't that good. It's like, no, he was.
It's just like sometimes elite prospects slightly underwhelm.
He. Really was unbelievable.
I I do want to like this is a weird position that I'm in.
I've never been before. Let me be the Marvin Harrison
Bowl for a second here. And like, like, because I'm sure
a lot of people are listening to this and yelling at their
screens and saying we're we're overreacting.
So on the season, he's still at 23% targets for route run 1.8
yards per route run like that. If that was like a full season
stats and like that's all you knew, you would be pretty
excited about that. Here are the comps like Rick,
your comps from that, Garrett Wilson, Jalen Waddle, Aman,
Rossin Brown, Brandon IUK, CD Lamb, Chase, Claypool, Jarvis
Landry. So you know, again, just purely
statistical comps, not stylistic comps.
Like that's a good list to be on.
None of those guys were like game breaking fantasy assets as
rookies. I guess a Monroe was for that
stretch of the end. But they're all like very solid
like good rookie seasons. And I think like, this is where
like, I don't fully believe this, but you can make the
argument that Marvin Harrison's role can get better.
I don't have the exact stats right now, but Rich Rebar did a
great breakdown on Marvin Harrison junior that basically
showed he's been used as like the most like, sacrificial XE
wide receiver in the league. Like Sony go routes like, yeah,
the role is terrible. So if you're going to say, OK,
you know, maybe later in the season they put more on his
plate. He gets more Gimme targets.
But back to the what we were saying earlier and what Jacob
was saying, like that feels a little bit like me, like not the
same thing, but a little bit like me to people who are like,
oh, why don't they get like Kyle Pitts more screens, like more
Gimme targets, like get him going after the catch.
Well, he's not that good at that.
And when you have Trey McBride, I think you're designing the
vast majority of those Gimme touches to the superior Yak
player. So that's where I'm like, I'm in
the middle because I do think his role is going to get better.
Like it'd be crazy if they have him doing this like stationary X
stuff like the whole season. But at the same time, like I see
Jacob's point, like that's what his skill set is.
So I don't know Davis Jacob, if you have any thoughts on that.
But I think that is the bull case, right?
Like a role change in terms of routes he's running, Yeah.
And I mean, some sometimes this stuff just happens, even if it's
not perfectly rational in the sense that they spent the 4th
overall pick on him and they don't want to look bad as an
organization by having him get out produced by Malik Neighbors
and Bryan Thomas every week. So they might just dial up a few
screens to juice the numbers. You know, like NFL organizations
do that. So I think that's a possibility.
He's also like is good. I I don't want to make it seem
like I think he's like some receiver.
I think he's very, very good. It's just that it's not
necessarily the most fantasy valuable role of all time.
And then the the one thing maybe we should talk about is we we
all ranked Brian Thomas, the head of Marvin Harrison junior
and we've said virtually nothing about Brian Thomas junior.
I think, I think we owe him a. Little bit of love, insanely
good. He wins at all depths.
He's adding yak. You can't even argue his
situation is that much better because his team is bad.
His team is losing. It took like an all time weird
result in London for like Doug Peterson not getting fired after
that game. It's like an all time upset.
The Patriots March down the field, score a touchdown and
you're like oh dude it's so over.
And then the Jaguars showed fight they haven't had in like 3
seasons to to end up winning that game.
Like Brian Thomas Junior statistically is closer to
neighbors than he is to Marvin Harrison in terms of like all
the advanced stuff. Well, and you can make a case, I
think I think you can make a legitimate case for Brian Thomas
at #1 if if like Sam had clarified that this was
specifically an underdog rest of season excitement.
We weren't considering any other site, any other format.
It was just underdog best ball. I think you can make a case for
Thomas at 1:00 just because, you know, as as much as we don't
like everything that's going on with the Jacksonville Jaguars,
if you think that Trevor Lawrence isn't infinitely better
than, you know, Daniel Jones and Gardner Minshew, then you're
you're spending too much time on Twitter.
So, and the fact that the Jacksonville defense is bad is,
is actually like essential to Brian Thomas junior because as
we saw last yesterday with the 17 consecutive run plays, the
only thing that is keeping this fantasy offense afloat is how
bad their defense is. If their defense plays remotely
competently, Doug Peterson is happy to go full boomer.
So bad defense. Great Lawrence.
I mean, like, whatever, I I, I get it.
Like I defend Trevor Lawrence all the time and people think
I'm not objective about it. Fair enough, I guess.
But like if you just watch the last three weeks in particular,
he's played substantially better.
I, I was happy to say he was playing quite poorly in the
first month of the season, but the, the deep ball that he threw
yesterday to Thomas for like 60 yards with Gonzales in, I don't
know, 98th percentile level coverage with his arm literally
between Thomas's two hands, Like, that's an absolute dime.
That's not a throw that you're getting out of some of these
other quarterbacks will have on this list.
And the way he can rack up points with the deep balls is
huge. It's a really encouraging thing.
I think yesterday is like we've, we've seen some games where
Thomas doesn't get any of the layup stuff, but that seemed
like it was changing. They gave him two end rounds
yesterday. Those those didn't go anywhere,
but it was nice to see that they wanted.
To that's the all time signal, by the way, the the end around
to the boundary wide receiver is the all time signal that the
coaching staff loves the players.
Like I remember watching Alshon Jeffrey once do an end around
and being like, man, this coaching staff loves him as much
as I do because there is absolutely no reason to ever
give out Shawn Jeffrey that around.
It's it's totally the same deal. Yeah, like I don't even think
that's a good real life decision.
Like I'd probably rather give that to Parker Washington, but
like, I'm happy they're giving it to Brian Thomas.
The game screens, they it seems like it was very much like a we
just want to keep this guy like involved and and keep him active
in the game. So that was good to see.
And yeah, I think I, I think you can make like a a legitimate
case for Brian Thomas, especially in half PPR as far as
you want to go, because I mean, he gets on two of these deep
balls that go for touchdowns. He's probably the easiest guy to
see having like 38 points in a playoff week.
And you? Had to have you're not
advancing. I think you're right.
And I think yeah, I'm actually revising my stance on it being
Bowers and neighbors and a tier of their own.
I think it is a three person tier A1A1B, whatever you want to
say. He just got his elite speed.
Like the thing about Thomas is he very clearly has an elite
trait. Like he's still the fastest ball
carrier to touch the ball in the NFL the season, the only one to
eclipse 22 mph. And the thing about it with
Thomas that's so awesome is that's not like a me Cole
Hardman size dude running a four three or whatever.
This is like a six foot three, 210 LB guy who can like win on
the boundary, win the sideline win and jump ball situations.
Like, yeah, so the TD upside, you have to project Brian Thomas
to just score way more, maybe way more as aggressive, but
definitely more touchdowns and then Bowers and neighbors, in my
opinion. So yeah, half TPR, he's
certainly in the conversation there.
And he's just an excellent ball winner.
Like his catch point stuff was, you know, shows up in the date
of how fishing he was last year at all.
I thought it showed up on film. It's it's really translated so
far. Like he he's just winning a lot
of those contested situations, especially down the field.
And yeah, you combine. Winning deep balls with winning
like end zone fade stuff. That's how you get to the 12
touchdowns, 14 touchdowns, yeah. And yeah, again, just back to
the numbers, 2.6 yards for outruns so far this season.
Again, just A7 game sample. But in terms of any rookie wide
receiver of the last decade, that'd be the fourth highest
ever, behind only Odell Beckham, Puka Nakua, Justin Jefferson.
So if he continues on this pace, we're talking like one of the
best rookie seasons ever. So that's like the level of
player that he's on the trajectory of right now.
Let's move on to #5 here. Let's see if we have a consensus
or not. This one's interesting.
So I'll I'll go ahead and reveal the next two because I think we
just have them essentially flipped.
The next two here we have consensus rank.
Roma Dunze at #5 Davis and I both had him at 5.
Jacob has him at six and then Jacob had that flipped with Lad
Mcconkey who he ranked 5th and both Davis and I ranked 6th.
So Jacob, you're the dissenter here.
Curious the lad over a Doon say stance.
Yeah, I mean, I was a big lad Bull in the pre draft process
and I guess I stand by that feel like I just, I just feel like I
just gave his prospect profile like considerably more love than
I think most of the fantasy community.
Partially because of the pro route stuff, partially because I
just really love what he put on tape.
I think that he fits the modern NFL game perfectly as being a
guy who hits in the intermediate of the field on quick outs, on
in breaking digs, stuff like that, versus a guy like Roman
Doonesday. And this is something that I'm
really trying to factor into more of my dynasty analysis and
shows up here kind of like the discussion we just had about
Malik and Marv. It's like the guys that I think
have a little bit more real life value that has ancillary effects
for an offense that doesn't immediately translate to
fantasy. I want to give a slight dock to
and the guy where their skill set directly correlates with
what game we're playing, I want to give a little bit of a boost
to. And Lad just hits in the very
fantasy friendly ways. Whenever I'm watching Bears, all
22. Like I think Roma Doonesday
looks great. I'm not concerned about him
being a boss or anything despite his yards per out run.
I think he's consistently open. It just seems like the way that
they're setting up their progressions, unless Caleb is
just not going through the progressions accurately, which
is also possible. But it seems the way they're
setting up their progressions is like we're giving Rome a lot of
deep down the field routes and we're happy if the result of
those routes is that he opens up space for Komet, Swift, Keenan,
etcetera. And it doesn't seem like they're
dialing up all that many plays for Roma Doonsday specifically,
which is what concerns me. And you see that, I mean,
literally half the targets per outrun, a little over half the
yards per outrun. Obviously the big issue with
Vlad McCarthy is that his 27% targets per outrun, 1.9 yards
per outrun is on not a lot of fast attempts per game because
the Chargers are a prehistoric offense.
But I I think that it's not going to get as good as it used
to be. Obviously it's not even going to
get as good as I hoped it would be when I was drafting so much
lad. But I think it's going to get
better than it's been. Like two of the games the
Chargers played, Herbert was clearly playing through a ton of
pain. They came back in the Denver
game and they opened up actually with 10 past attempts versus 2
rushes in the opening script. They then got ahead by like 20
points immediately and just sat on the ball.
But I think that showed like with Slater back, with alt back,
with Herbert healthy in neutral scrap, we're at least going to
be a little bit more of a normal team and they're going to have
games where they're going to get pushed.
They've already gotten a lot of their weak opponents out of the
out of the shoot. And I think in those spots, the
cockys look like a guy who consistently gets open.
The only guy who consistently gets open on the team and has a
chance to rack up some some high reception games with Justin
Herbert, who despite the stats I think individually looks great.
Yeah, I like all that. Makes sense to me.
This was a tough one for me to rank so David, so I'll give it
to you here. Why did you rank a doomsday over
Mcconkey? Or were you swayed by Jacobs
argument here? I'm swayed.
I'm swayed by it in the sense that he's right.
Like every word that he said is right.
But if I were to tell you, you could have one of these guys
with 11 targets in Week 17, you're totally taking a
doomsday. And I'm not sure it is
particularly close. He's going to have a higher A
dot his quarterback. I'm ready to say something very
brave and very controversial is better than Justin Herbert in my
opinion. The the offense is more I look
at look at that Jacob face. He's not there.
He's not there yet. This will this will be a good
one. Who ends the season higher in
cumulative EPA plus CPO. We composite because right now
they're both I mean they're both way outside of of where you
would want your quarterback to be right now.
But Caleb Williams has 2 unbelievable stinkers on his
record and and Herbert does not have two huge stinkers pulling
him down. So right now Caleb Williams is
19th and EPA plus CP we composite Justin Herbert is is
21st Rome, Rome is. EPA, famously a team stat.
Well, I mean, I don't, I would say he the Chargers have the far
better coaching staff. I think Greg Roman is better at
his. Job.
It's like Quentin Johnston. Sure.
No, I mean that that's that's definitely true.
Like basically, I think there are going to be more passing
points available on the Chicago Bears to the point.
Yeah, I I agree with that. Regardless if you think Caleb is
better than sure, sorry to interrupt like, but I think we
don't need to get lost in like the Herbert versus Caleb debate
to probably agree. I think Jacob agrees with this
too. Like that total pie of receiver
fantasy points on the Bears. Yeah, this, this one is just
we're close, but I I think a doomsday can score more
touchdowns for the rest of the season than Glad, even
considering where he's at in the pecking order.
Yeah, I, I, I do side with the doomsday, just barely.
I, I, I don't think it's wrong to have Mcconkey ranked higher.
I think it's definitely the same tier here for me.
It's just a little bit like we've kind of seen the
contingent upside, upside case with a doomsday already.
Keenan missed a game or he missed a couple games, and one
of those games, a doomsday went 6 for 1/12 and a touchdown 11
targets. So that that's where I'm at.
Like the thing with the hockey that scares me and I'll maybe
give like the upside case for him in a second, but what scares
me is like they already have like absolute wid sprinters out
there next to him and Quinton Johnson and Josh Palmer or
whoever else is Darius Davis and the ceiling is still yeah, semi
Foco like we already have like the not target competition
situation for Mcconkey and he's been very good like per out all.
That Yeah. What if Brendan Rice starts
playing? But.
Yeah, here here's like the positive for the Chargers, and I
think Jacob alluded to this, but they were at -10% pass rate over
expectation in weeks one through 4.
They came out of the buy in week 6 and were up plus 2% in a game.
That was big. They led the whole way.
So maybe that's a shift from Roman after the buy.
Like I'd like to see that for more weeks.
But if that was sustained and like this pass volume actually
is ticking up, then I think the Mcconkey rank over a doomsday
starts to make a lot of sense. Because, yeah, for me, it's just
like a ceiling thing for a doomsday where I still think his
ultimate ceiling just just looks better than Mcconkey to me.
But yeah, I I agree it's close. Any any last thoughts there,
Jacob or yeah, maybe do you buy that the Chargers are actually
passing more? Was that like a fluke in the
data in week 6? Do you think I I buy that
they're going to be closer to? Average.
I would certainly not bet on +2 for rest of season, but I, I
don't think they're going to stay at -10 like the first, the
first four weeks, their average pass attempts per game was like
22.5. That would set a record for like
lowest pass pass attempts per game.
And I think it was like 40 or 50 years.
So that's just not going to happen.
I especially not with a, with a non Russian quarterback.
So be it password over expectation regressing a little
bit closer to 0, be it game script pushing them, be it their
quarterback not playing hurt like I think they're going to
end closer to 29 to 32 pass attempts per game rest of
season, which is is not good, but still considerably better.
I I will just quickly say the Roman Dunes day breakout game
and I played them in all my DFS lineups that week, so I enjoyed.
It it. Was it was pretty fake, like the
Colts have a way of just jacking up opponent play volume.
In some of these games, players ran like 90 plays.
They did it against the worst defense in the league and Roman
only had like a 19% targets per outrun in that game.
They just threw like 55 times. So I I think that the like the
11 targets 6112 and one looks fantastic.
It's nice that he plays in an offense that can get the 55 pass
attempts. I don't know that the Chargers
have that in their bag, so that's a plus.
But it was a pretty fake breakout game where if his name
wasn't Roma Doonsay and that was like the Bub means breakout
game. Everyone in fantasy, you know,
you'd be like, oh, that's obviously fake, but because it's
Roma Doonsay who we like for like also pass the caution flags
and just, you know, drive on through and inside the box
score. Also turns out a Doonsay's
college teammates stink so. Yeah, I wonder.
I, I wanted to bring that up because I, someone had this in
the chat. I, I have actually thought about
whether we should be factoring this in because for the record,
like this can go both ways. Like you can interpret it like,
OK, these guys that were competing with the doomsday for,
with targets are actually terrible.
And it's like embarrassing that a doomsday seeded any target
share to them. Or you can be like these other
two guys are like the terrorist Marshall to Roma Dunes's Justin
Jefferson. And he was so good that he like
left like rose them up to Terrace Marshall level
production, even though they're terrible.
You know what I mean? Like Jacob, I don't know if you.
Ever you know what the actual take is is is that you just you
got to move Michael panics up a tier in your dynasty rankings.
That's that's the actual. Take I.
Think or or move. I used to think.
That the wide receivers were carrying Panics, but now I'm
starting to think Panics was actually carrying these guys.
Yeah, that's yeah, I. Mean or or was it grub Jacob?
I might have been Grub, but I don't know how I feel about Grub
because he thinks that a good strategy is to establish the run
by playing no offense as the blocking tight end.
So I don't, I don't know that I'm super in on the Ryan Grubb
experience either There's. No, no, no.
Offense they're they're cooking the the Seahawks are cooking,
dude, I, I think, I think that's crazy.
The the last thing I'll say and and we should move on, but like
this Roma Dunes a yards per out run targets for out run stuff
certainly like looks ugly. I will say like we have to
remember the context of the bears offense.
Look at DJ Moore and Keenan Allen's yards per out run.
They're also at like 1.3 and one point O 5 or something like
that. So unless you're saying DJ Moore
is cooked now and he's a bad NFL wide receiver, you can't really
say that at Roma Dunes. They like all these guys per
route numbers look bad because the Bears start off the season
playing horrible football. So I'll just say like I'm not
putting a ton of weight into these per route stuff for Roma
dunce, although it's definitely below expectation.
We can say that like it's it's below expectation for sure.
All right, let's move on to #6 here.
So we got just to summarize, we got neighbors and Bowers 1-2,
Brian Thomas 3, Marvin Harrison 4, Roma dunce 5, Lad Mcconkey 6.
Then at 7:00, we have some disagreement here.
Xavier Worthy ranked at 7 for both Jacob and Davis.
I ranked him at 8. I ranked.
So I'll, I'll, I'll go here first because I'm the dissenter.
I ranked Keon Coleman above Xavier Worthy.
This this was really close for me and I I I'm interested to
hear you guys arguments because I am definitely open to being
swayed. But I I almost moved Coleman
down more. Yeah, that's interesting because
so I was just like converting Coleman and Worthy Keon Coleman,
like a lot has been made of his rookie season.
I certainly think there's some things that he struggles at that
have been well noted. Like he can't separate very
well. His contested catch ability is
maybe like a little bit more inconsistent than people
expected. But just like if you want to
just look at like his analytics, his like yards per outrun, his
target earning like 17% targets for outrun is not bad by any
means. Like 2 point O yards for route
run is actually quite good. It's definitely been buoyed by a
couple broken plays like scramble drill situations where
he breaks a tackle, whatever it takes for 50 yards.
But I do think that that's a little bit of Keon Coleman's
game, especially when you're tied to Josh Allen.
Like we've seen pretty bad NFL wide receivers, Gabe Davis, like
have that kind of production with Josh Allen where they're
not that special, but they're big bodies.
Like Josh Allen starts scrambling, they find some open
space, Allen hits them and they take it for a big play.
Like it makes sense to me that Kian Coleman is able to win in
some of those situations. So the worthy stuff for me, man,
is he's just like he's so small out there and and I struggle
with like how inefficient he's been, But I'll stop running
here. I'll give it to Davis.
I mean, Mahomes missed him on a 70 yard touchdown yesterday,
which would have brought him to, what, 280 receiving yards and
five touchdowns in his first six career games?
Please be serious. No, no, he literally even his
the biggest play of their season was him being unbelievably
unserious with him waddling down the sideline just like basically
playing chicken with the defenders.
I mean, these, these guys are, they're, they're driving the
life out of me with the unseriousness.
Sky Moore, Sky Moore third most snaps of Kansas City Chiefs wide
receivers yesterday. Unbelievable.
Here's the deal with with Xavier word as a as a rookie, the
volume is clearly not going to get to be where we want it to
be. Although he did have a 36%
target share yesterday and there's clearly some stuff he
needs to learn about playing NFL football.
But weirdly, can I tell you that, and this is like the thing
you that I can bring as a Chiefs fan that actually is not being
hilariously biased, but this is actually understanding how the
team works. The, the most important play
that Xavier Worthy made yesterday was a third and six.
Mahomes gets flushed. He's trying to decide if he's
going to run, try and run for a first down or try and throw a
pass. Worthy shakes his guy turns
around, he's like 5 feet away from Mahomes and he catches a
stupid Mahomes. I I think it was with his left
hand flipped it. They convert for the first down.
They end that drive with a cream on rushing touchdown.
That's the kind of thing that is going to take Xavier worthy from
three for 19, which is what he had yesterday, to five for 62
with a decent chance for a touchdown.
And I know people are so sick of the Chiefs and they're so sick
of me talking about worthy, but like it's like being a first
round wide receiver and then immediately stepping into the
pressure cooker of a team that's trying to win a third
consecutive Super Bowl. It's like a it's like a lot to
take on. And he is clearly very good.
He's clearly insanely fast. They clearly want to use him in
these pretty creative ways. Now Hardman scoring that end
around at the end of the of the game, pretty fucking chill
thing. Which weirdly, I think I, I
actually think the reason why Hardman got that play instead of
Worthy was because Worthy got smoked by that 49ers safety at
the end of the first half and they were like one and one of
those. I thought he was dead.
He's so I need to see him again. He he pops right back.
Up. He so looked like he just got
enveloped by the ball rug like that was yeah, I'm so mad at
myself for drafting this fucking guy.
Like I didn't like anything about him as a prospect.
I was like very vocally out on this player through the pre
draft process and then he went to the chiefs and I was like,
well, I guess it would be like hubristic to rule out a round
one wide receiver on the chiefs. And I I let myself get talking
to him. I drafted him on all my stupid
high stakes teams and I slapped it up with Xavier worthy and
he's just this rummy gadget player who can't play receiver.
And it's a very like Bears are who we thought they were moment
for me, I hate this just immensely.
But yeah, I don't know. I think he can't really play
football, but he is still out there and.
No way he can. Play football either.
So I guess it's fine. It's more just that like once I
get past Mcconkey and a doomsday, to be honest, I don't
have very much excitement for any of these guys.
So I'm just looking at it as like, who do I think is most
likely to pop off in a given week?
And, you know, Worthy, I think is still very fast.
He's still going to run a lot of routes.
And in theory, he has a good quarterback.
I know that has it actually. Manifested his his quarterback
is worse than Caleb Williams in EPA plus CPA week.
Buddy, I I'm aware. I watched every snap of an
Anthony Richardson versus Tyler Huntley slash Tim Boyle
quarterback duel yesterday. And then after running bleach
through my eyes, I had to watch every snap of a Patrick Mahomes
Brock Purdy quarterback duel. And I don't know which one was
worse. So like I'm, I'm aware that
Patrick. Moe's is no longer.
Interested in being serious but I I don't know, that's just
where I'm at with Coleman. Kevin Tompkins already spoiled
this, but like, this would be the concern. 0 of young
Coleman's snaps yesterday was Cooper on the field for, So they
went and traded for Mark Cooper. The Shakur Kincaid cook
underneath stuff is just going to be a part of the offense.
That's just what Joe Brady loves doing.
And I don't think there's any way around it.
And so Coleman's like upside case now with Cooper.
I just think it's hard to see. I mean, first of all, first of
all, you have to hope that all of, yes, that's right, zero of
his targets on zero of his snaps.
First of all, you have to hope that all of Cooper's routes come
directly from Mack Hollins and that none of them come from Keon
Coleman, which should be given on a like smart offense, But I
don't know that. I Josh's favorite guy is Mack
Hollins. That's his guy.
He loves Mack Hollins. So I think that there is a a
risk to losing routes and then even if he's playing all the
snaps, like to me, it's just going to be a hard sell where
like I think most of their downfield stops going to be
Cooper. I think most of their offense is
still going to be doing like short area bullshit.
And so you're just hoping that Coleman continues to hit on like
three to four targets every week downfield.
And I get that the yards for outrun is high, but like this
dude wears defenders as a backpack.
Like I I just don't enjoy watching him play the game of
football at all. And I think at least with
Worthy, they kind of have no choice but to force feed him,
even if he's bad. I think that the Bills now have
a lot of other options they can go to over Keon Coleman, even if
he's good. Yeah, I definitely see that.
And I, I agree, like for the most part, watching Coleman, I,
I will say like even though I agree with Kevin, there wasn't
any like role change with Amari Cooper there because they
weren't on the field for Coleman's receptions.
Yeah, But I will say they did get Coleman going on a couple in
breaking routes last week that I hadn't seen a ton of.
He got a slam, which he broke a tackle, took him for 50 yards,
got going on a drag route and had some yak there too.
So I did see some evidence of like a little bit of a role
change, at least in terms of his route tree.
And then also I get the like routes concern.
We also have to remember Curtis Samuel went out in this game
with a shoulder injury. He might be going to 0.
Dawson Knox also had a knee injury.
So there's a chance he misses some time.
And then all of a sudden, like when you get to projecting
routes and snaps, if both those guys are out of the picture, I'm
not sure Keon takes that big of a hit even if Amari Cooper is
playing. So we'll we'll see here on Keon
Coleman, but I just saw like enough flashes for him compared
to the flashes for Xavier Worthy that I'd be willing to buy into
that a little bit more. But I definitely I think we can
all agree like this is a huge teardrop off from the previous
guys we were talking about, in my opinion.
Are we in consensus there, Davis or?
Yeah, yeah. OK.
Well, yeah, yeah. From maybe?
Maybe not huge tear break, but a tear.
Break. No.
Pretty, pretty big. Yeah, like Ladd Mcconkey versus
Worthy, I don't think any of us arguing is is very close there.
I don't think so. What if Mahomes?
What if Mahomes plays good? Like truly like, like what if
Mahomes all of a sudden, sort of.
Playing news for Noah Gray. I think the Noah Gray stuff is a
function of him playing poorly actually.
You know what Mahomes is a lead at now is scrambling.
He's he's like the best. Well, he's, he's always been a
lead at it. He just never had he.
He just has not had to do it all that often.
Yeah, but yeah. He is.
Avoiding like every game getting first downs is so good at it.
Like, yeah. Every game Holmes plays now, it
feels like he's like mad in achievement hunting.
Like it feels like he opens the game and he's like, I'm going to
get the like only target Noah Gray and score a touchdown on
the drive achievement. And then the next time it's like
pick up a a field goal only with scrambles achievement.
Like it doesn't. I don't know if it's just what
he used to do to keep himself entertained.
The most annoying thing about this whole experience and I is
that like Elise Davis will get to experience the joy of being a
world champion again. But after doing nothing to
benefit me for 17 weeks, ruining the worthy bags that I
reluctantly drafted, literally murdering the Rishi Rice bags
that I was very excited about, I know that I'm then just going to
have to watch Patrick Mahomes play pitch perfect football all
playoffs and win a third consecutive Super Bowl after
doing absolutely nothing all. Regular the the question is, do
they break? A No joy from that at all.
Do they, do they break a sweat in the Super Bowl or is it
totally uncontested that that's that's really?
Probably uncontested like I I just.
So I guess the way it'll bring me joy is I'll draft like 65%
Justin Watson in playoff basketball contest.
Yeah, it's disgusting and I hate it.
When you're talking about the achievements, I was just
thinking of like Mahomes scrolling through his
achievements that he's unlocked in the Chiefs offense and
there's just one that says make Sky Moore look good once and he
can't figure out how to unlock that.
Win, win. Winning a Super Bowl with more
interceptions than touchdowns is a good is a good achievement.
Oh my God. All right, moving on to #10
here. I actually forget what this is.
No intro Xavier Lee get Jacob. Jacob was the Lee get bull here.
Yeah, I, I got to say I, I think Lee get over to Coleman is tough
for me to to swallow Jacob, but I I'll listen to your case on
that one there. He's just clearly the number 2
on his team, on a team that's going to throw a ton versus
Coleman. I think it's like the number 4
on a team that doesn't have much interest in throwing.
Yeah, but can we talk about what teams we're talking about here?
I mean it are the bills like that great of an offense to be a
pass catcher on? Like I understand they're a good
team, but like nothing about their offense has been
particularly inspiring this year.
Most of what is inspiring comes on the ground.
Like what what value do you have in being a Bills pass catcher?
Like I just, I don't, I don't really see it.
So I get the Panthers have these games where they're a complete
disaster, like like this past week, which sucks, but they also
have games where they're vaguely competent.
And the one thing you can count on with the Panthers is they can
have a million pass events because their defense is
horrific. So I don't know, I, I don't, I
don't see that much of a difference between these two
guys. Like I, I obviously Coleman has
hit on more of his contestant stuff.
So that's you see the big efficiency gap.
But I, I. Don't think it looks better to
me though. He does to me as well.
Maybe that's. Yeah, I don't agree.
I don't disagree with that. Like just from like an
individual player perspective, like I would prefer to have Lee
get on my football team than Keon Coleman.
But yeah, I guess I'm just leading it.
Like we've just seen Josh Allen make Gabe Davis like a really
good best ball wide receiver. We've seen him get Dalton
Kincaid drafted in the 1st 4 rounds because of hope for some
reason. So yeah, but I, I see what
you're saying like it it's a cleaner path in some ways to
imagine we get just like having a 20% target share of the rest
of the way and having spike weeks than it is for Coleman.
But I just think the the Bills thought, let's say what you want
about the Bills offense, their touchdown projections each week
versus the Panthers is like what, double like or 1.8 XI?
Don't know, certainly, Yeah. So yeah.
A lot of those touchdowns are Josh Allen stealing for himself.
A lot of those running backs like I, I don't know one.
Of them's going to Matt. Collins for some reason, yeah,
yeah, Dawson knocks like I at least they get like, I know he's
going to run a lot of routes. I know they're going to throw a
lot of passes and. And I guess that makes me warm
and comfy. Versus a Coleman experience.
But I don't know, maybe this is a defensible.
I don't feel that strongly about this ordering.
Yeah, that's, that's fair. We'll we'll keep going here, get
some of the next couple names out.
I do think like, I guess closing the book on Xavier Lee.
Yeah, I do think like the thesis of just taking a first round
wide receiver at pick 160 or wherever he was going on
DraftKings or 1:30 or wherever he's going on underdog like I
think. Pretty much undefeated.
Yeah, that, that almost always wins unless you're picking Jolin
Polk. But anyways.
Was Jolin Polk ranked by any of us?
No, no, he was not this this one.
I have some means. I do want to talk about Pierce
all 'cause I think he's actually one of the the most interesting
like waivers discussions this week.
I had him over league at at #9. Now I was assuming for this rank
Brandon Iuke. I was also assuming that these
Jawan Jennings and Debo Samuel injuries are are not major and
they'll be back soon. Also assuming Christian
McCaffrey is going to be back in a couple weeks.
So that's kind of the lens through which I was viewing
Pierce all and we can't say much about Pierce all so far.
He played like 30 snaps in his NFL career so far.
I watched them. Can't say he looks horrible,
can't say he looks special. The dudes recovering from a
gunshot wound. So tough to say how much that's
affecting him now, but just just give me like the the mystery box
upside of a first round pick wide receiver who now like
presumably like even in the worst case scenario, he's what
like a 60% of route sky for the 40.
Niners, I would imagine 100% honestly, because it seems like
they hate Cowing or they just, they don't hate him, they just
don't think he's big enough 'cause they like, they like
their wide receiver still got a block and cowing's so small and
it's so it's basically Conley. Chris Conley versus Ricky
Pearsall for the sacrificial X with with Debo Jennings and
Kittle. It's like if you they don't
really like Conley either. I actually have no idea.
Jennings is going to play Axe and then I think like I, I would
guess that Jennings plays more of the X role and Pearsall is
probably off the line a little bit, but I I'm not sure how
they'll they'll arrange it. I guess.
I guess I'm not sure either, but I I would assume that he will be
in there quite a bit. A3 wide receiver set of like
Ricky Pearsall, Debo Samuel and Jawan Jennings like doesn't make
a ton of sense to be honest. So I don't know what they're.
Going to do here. Why are you?
Why are what makes more sense? What what who would you sub out?
You you think Conley over Pearsall or Conley over?
Jennings No, I'm not. I'm not saying that I think that
is the most likely 3 wide receiver set.
That's what I'd project. I'm just saying that like from a
skill set perspective, it's just like a weird.
Group, well, they're very dersplicative.
They, they all, none of those guys, they're, they're, they
all, none of them should be outside.
Yeah, like Jennings is like the most outside.
Like I think it's probably Jennings ex Debo flanker pure
saw in the slot, but they'll probably like rotate him around
a good bit. Probably probably like mix in
calmly for some reps at X wide receiver, I'd guess.
I don't think like Ronnie Bell is kind of face planted.
I think he's going to be yeah, he's going to be tossed the side
so that it's just it's just interesting.
Like I don't know what's going to happen.
I'm just saying that like, I don't know, Here's like the
mystery box upside of pure Saw is still like pretty tantalizing
to me. Like just cuz he's on the 49ers
versus the get being on the Panthers, Like it's funny.
I thought both of these guys sucked basically as prospects,
which is just kind of funny. I, I, I really liked them both.
I, I really like Piersol as a prospect.
Maybe I put out them higher. I'm kind of talking myself into
like we just talked about how all the problems with the last
three bets, like maybe I should have just put Piersol at like 7
ahead of. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Like a. Bunch of issues, right?
Like just take, just take the mystery box.
I, I guess the issue is I, I think the most likely scenario
is it we've seen this offense in prior years when one goes out,
they just consulted on the other superstars.
And I suspect CMC gets back that it's just a lot of CMC Debo and
Kittle and not a lot of anybody else.
And especially now the Jennings has kind of entered the the
chat, so to speak. They probably get him involved
to some extent. So I think Pierce all's going to
have to be like quite good to do stuff.
And I think Pearsall's pretty good.
I don't know how great he is. I mean, he's I think he's
probably certainly a guy that threw up with the ball in his
hands. He was a pretty decent
separator, did pretty well and a lot of like the harm and stuff.
I don't know how good of a deep separator he is, which is an
issue because I don't know if they have any deep separators.
He did not look particularly fast to me.
So we'll, we'll see. On pure salt, but I think it's
just the mystery box element that is really appealing.
It's a mystery box and a good offense.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, Just to make sure.
Yeah. And like the I saw the same
things a little bit. Like I quickly watched all of
his targets on ball 22. It's also just like first game
ever against the the Chiefs secondary.
I think it's just like not an easy situation to look it on.
He's also being tossed into a role that he was not like they
they probably wanted to play him like 10 snaps.
Like 10 snaps. Yeah, and then all of a sudden
he has to go out and be their number one wide receiver.
That's a really tough assignment for rookie against the Chief.
So I want to like wait a little bit on him before I evaluate
that too, too much. But yeah, this is probably
another tier break for me. Also.
Just thought this was interesting.
These like the wide receivers and tight ends we have listed
here. This is like all the guys that
went pick 33. Or.
Earlier, right, like Mcconkey and Coleman were what, 33 and 34
I guess in the NFL draft and then it's all guy, all first
round wide receivers besides that.
So maybe, maybe we're still biased by the draft capital, but
I think like we can give the NFL so.
The the teams are biased towards the draft capital like all these
guys are getting opportunities because they were drafted
highly. Yeah, that's true.
I'll also say like the second round wide receivers so far
besides Mcconkey and Coleman, I guess have really face, face
planted so. All time, all time deep wide
receiver class totally. Yeah, Yikes.
So we'll get here to #11 this is, oh, I did this.
Weirdly, this one is, I think, a pretty huge win for Troy
Franklin drafters. We had him as a consensus #11
rank here. He jumps a bunch of wide
receivers that are ranked ahead of him.
Luke McCaffrey. Jillian Polk.
Adonai Mitchell. Sure.
There's some others I'm forgetting.
They're in the second or third rounds.
Jalen McMillan, Roman Wilson. Malachi Corley.
God, lot of terrible third round wide receivers.
Shower. Shower narrative remains one of
the most undefeated things in in the history of football.
Like Bonex said, give me Troy Franklin.
They took Troy Franklin. The second Troy Franklin got on
the field, Bo Nick said, where's my boy?
I'm getting my boy the ball. Really that simple.
It does feel very shower nerve based because I got a like I've
I haven't watched every snap by any stretch, but I've I've
watched bits and pieces of the all 22 on Franklin.
I don't find him a particularly impressive player, or at least I
wouldn't say that it what I've seen dreams.
To me, this is the guy who could be targeted on 24% of his
routes, but he he has been the efficiency is also not there.
I I just think like I noticed like a pretty glaring lack of
attention to detail from him on certain plays.
Like we had the backdrop in the end zone.
There's some stuff where like he's doing a comeback down the
sideline. He's not coming back to the ball
and it's getting he's getting hit by defenders, the balls
coming in. Whereas if he actually just runs
back under 2 yards, it's very easy reception.
So I think it's a bit of a work in progress, but obviously it's
very fast and certainly there's a lot of opportunity on a depth
chart with horrendous Pascals and the only one who's decent is
a totally different archetype to him, so.
Sutton Sutton trade candidate or no, because they are they have a
winning. I think the Broncos are too good
to be trading players. If you're Sean Payton, you're
not giving up on a season where you have a chance to make the
playoffs, probably. So they're very.
Committed to going 8 and 9, yeah.
Yeah, I didn't even draft the Rockin.
Schultz fan. I mean we're the most 8 and 9
team ever. I don't.
I don't think I even drafted very much Troy Franklin at all.
I unfortunately did. Yeah, well, unfortunately.
I mean, it might. Have scored Xavier Worthy.
You you might have backed into it like.
I'm not sure we would have seen this without the quote UN quote
Josh Reynolds finger injury. Like you kind of you kind of
needed that for Troy Franklin. To you know no, you know no,
because there's there by virtue. Of a Josh Reynolds finger
injury. There, there's just always ways
for the shower and rookies always play in ways that you
don't expect. Fertility baby.
Yeah, yeah, this is a lot you wear like I remember the I
remember there was a big beat reporter thing where it's like
Albright was like, why is Troy Franklin and drafted Mints?
Is it like clearly Mints ahead. And this is like a great example
of then people get mad at beat reporters and it's like what
beat reporters are doing is they're what their use case is.
They're telling you what is happening on a given day.
So like they're telling you that on August 7th, Troy Franklin
looks bad and Marvin Mints is playing ahead of him.
And I'm sure that's true. I highly doubt that Albright was
just like lying about what was happening at practice.
But when wide receivers are as bad as Marvin Mims was in Year
1, what tends to happen is they lose their jobs.
And when you have reasonable prospects like Troy Franklin,
sometimes what happens is they wind up just getting
opportunities over time. And like, I remember putting up
a tweet that was like, I would still rather have Troy Franklin
and Marvin Mims, you know, even if that's not what the situation
is on August 7th. And, you know, I don't know how
big the wind is going to be on Franklin, but like, clearly.
You'd rather have him than absolutely dead and buried
Marvin Mims. Yeah, I, I was like, always
consistent on that. And I, I wasn't someone who,
like, made it a priority to target these guys.
But I ended up with 7% Franklin and 2% Mims.
So I'm pretty happy with leaning into the rookie unknown there,
even though I wasn't like a huge Troy Franklin guy.
We'll see. We'll see.
Like this one ultimately, like you, the thing you question this
is like what is the upside of a Denver Broncos deep threat tied
to Bo Nicks? That's definitely questionable.
But for like 6, like if we redrafted today, he'd probably
be like a 13th 12th round best ball pick and you draft him in
the 20th round or whatever, like that's that's a small win And
with his speed, you can spike at the right time.
So yeah, not not a ton else to say in Troy Franklin.
I I also agree with Jacob. I don't think he looks very good
out there, but. That might matter.
Franklin think it's interesting because like I didn't like his
college film and I and I had him rank like pretty low relative to
when we thought he was going to go in late round one, early
round two. But you know, when he goes in
round four and then he doesn't have any value.
It's like, all right, sure, I'll, I'll just buy the
production profile at that point.
Yeah. All right, we'll.
Close with the final two guys. So this is the top 11.
We had kind of split decision on number 12.
We'll reveal those here. I had Eric, all has #12 Jacob
and Davis. Kind of kind of facetious of
you, Sam. You know, I don't, I don't
really know, man. It feels, feels a little thin of
you. Here's the deal, dude.
AD Mitchell has a very clear parlay to being a guy who
matters in the fantasy football playoffs.
It's Anthony Richardson getting benched and Michael Pittman
junior or Josh Downs or Alec Pierce getting injured.
I promise you he's not going to get benched, but he might get
injury, yeah. Sure, whatever.
But but yeah, that's the parlay. Is is the parlay of just Mike
Kasiki getting injured and Eric all being a full time tight end?
Yeah, 'cause they never, they never do that.
Who's who was the last full time tight end for the Cincinnati
Bengals. Can you even conjure it?
Tyler Cross. It it would have been, it would
have been Eifert not not wait. Wait, CJCJ Uzoma?
Wasn't he? No, he.
Was not even close. Yeah, they.
So this is what they do. What if Eric all is better than
CJ Uzoma, Irv Smith, Tyler Croft?
I I think they would have to have a legit like Cole commit.
Like Cole commit line would be the line because what they like
is they like sample to be the pass protector.
They like Kasiki to be the the split off the move, but they
also like a guy. So what all does all has run
more routes in games they've won and he has run more routes in
games they've lost. I don't know what that
delineates. Like I I think conceptually,
sure, whatever the the other thing is, I believe 65% of the
target since T Higgins has returned has been delivered to T
Higgins and Jamar Chase. It might even be more than that.
The entire offense is built out of throwing to those two guys.
Sam got bailed out by that hamstring injury because T
Higgins is looking absolutely fantastic every single week and
it wasn't that early hamstring injury that cost him first two
weeks and then he didn't do anything the third week.
I I think he would be lighting the world on fire right now.
Yeah, the the T Higgins graphics are going to be a lot different
next year. Sam, all I'll say is I I
saturated is slanderous. I'll say I had this on the
record that Davis has said this on your stream.
The T Higgins thing was a bit. I can show you a screenshot of
my exposures. I'll say it's been devastating
to the T Higgins bit. But I did say multiple times I'm
drafting T Higgins this year. So the bit is the bit is dead.
Which is T Higgins exposure. I can pull it up right now.
It's not, it's not anything crazy 9% OK, so I have I have
23% exposure. Oh yeah.
So I'm not saying I played it perfectly.
I'm just saying I I wasn't like fading him.
Fair enough. It became.
It became a bit. Non the Rock, but yeah, that's
fair. 23%, yeah, I would trade my 9% for 23%.
And he, he is, he is smashing right now.
He seems motivated I guess by the contractor, your stuff.
I think you could have argued that either way, but he looks
ready to get a. Back.
I think he's probably healthy because he's been injured for a
long time. Yeah, that's true.
Still first game back when he was game one off the hamstring
injury. He has out targeted Jamar Chase
in every other game this season, which I think is like a a mostly
a Zach Taylor issue. But I was going to say that's
definitely Zach Taylor. Yeah, the, they're all, he's
like their check release tight end, which like, and I, I've
watched some of their all targets and like I wouldn't say
he's exactly carving up defenders.
Like I would say he's, he's primarily blocking for half a
second and then just kind of like ambling about.
And then they, they give him a, a target, which is fine.
That's like what 50% of the tight end position is reliant
on. So I'm not going to knock him
for it. Yeah, that, that was my thought.
It's like the the parlay of AD Mitchell.
Like, let's be honest, he probably needs one of the top
three wide receivers to get hurt for him to have a meaningful
role, number one. And then #2 he kind of needs Joe
Flacco in there instead of Anthony Richardson.
So both of them seem like thin. Yeah, both of them seem like
thin bets to me. I will say, like, these stats
are pretty insane from AD Mitchell. 33% targets per outrun
is wild. He, he, he's like the classic 80
Mitchell stat line these days is like 6 routes, 3 targets.
That's kind of what we're dealing with so well.
He, I mean, I watched the Colts, obviously very closely.
I can assure you like 180 Mitchell is actually very good
at certain things. So I I think it's like it's
picking up on some kind of signal.
It's something the least translatable targets Brett run
ever. In the sense, yes, basically the
Colts think that AD Mitchell is extremely talented.
I mean Reggie Wayne, who's their wide receiver's coach?
He said he's the best separator in the NFL.
And he like it is always. Michael Pittman, junior, on the
other side of the locker room, just looking at him like.
Well, Michael, the Colts literally have like, it's too
bad that Anthony Richardson can't throw because the Colts
just have the Packers wide receiver room.
Like Michael Pittman is Romeo Dobbs, Alec Pierce is Christian
Watson, Josh Downs is Jaden Reed, and Eddie Mitchell's
Dontavian Wicks. Like the the guy who's always
open but like is kind of a moron.
And that's the that's. What?
She's coming out of it, man. He's always open, but like it is
you're never you never know if he's open where he's supposed to
be open or if he's open because like he sees an interesting weed
on the field that he wants to run towards.
Like this guy improves so many routes and there's been a lot of
throws where like it looks like when you just watch the game
live that like the throw was terrible, but actually AD
Mitchell just ran somewhere because he felt like it.
And like it's clear that he was not going to where he was
supposed to. Like he had one where it's like
he was supposed to just run a hitch, but then he was like,
I'll make this a double move. It's like then the throw is way
off into a pick. So I think basically they, the
way they look at AD is like if they want to call a play where
he's the first reading the progression, he's on the field.
If they don't think that the ball's going to come to him,
he's such a liability. They'd rather have literally
anyone else on the field at that time.
But they might not have a choice if they get someone injured.
And like Michael Pittman goes out every week and then they
interview him and he's like, look, I wouldn't rule out IR.
So yeah, that's like, yeah, there's.
A possibility of this back. What's going, what's going on
there with Michael Pittman? That's the interviews from him
have been crazy. He's like, he's like, I'm going
to keep playing, but also I might have to go under reserve.
So it's. Honestly, shout out to him,
dude, shout out to him. He's got some.
He's got some dog in him. Yeah, he's got some dog, Junior.
All right, Jacob, we, we got to get out of here soon.
You're, you're allegedly a lawyer with the day job.
So we got to get you out of here.
Gotta get for that. I, I wanted to say really
quickly, just a couple like honorable mentions here, Jordan,
Jordan Whittington, if you could project him for like routes,
once Kopp and Puka come back, he would be in the conversation.
It's Joker, dude. He's going back behind DeMarcus
Robinson and like. Now that's exactly what I'm
saying. It's so tilted by the bullshit
yesterday like why? I'm Sean Mcvacon.
Need a bit. 0 snaps like Davis and I played him in the flax on
our prime Time Team and brutal. So aggravating.
Yeah, but I again just last week aside his per route stats have
been really good. And I thought actually when he's
been asked to run routes, he's been like more a diversified of
a route runner than people give him credit for.
And then besides that, I I didn't have really, I mean,
Jalen McMillan, Pretty Jover, Jalen Polk, Jover 0.4 dude, it
come on man. He's putting up Marquez Valdes
statling numbers. That's so.
Bad Yeah. Like I honestly like I, I would
take like guys like Jalen Coker, Bob Means, like Jatavian
Sanders, Devon Vailey, like. One of my one of my worst
opinions is that I kind of think Spencer Rattler can play and I
was kind of intrigued by Bob Means.
I, I had Bob Means as my number 12 on the first draft of this.
And then I, I put Edie Mitchell on there.
I mean, he's. Yeah, Shaheed.
Shaheed's out for the season, too, so we're going to see him.
Mccole, Mccole Hardman Mccole Hardman or Jalen Polk rest the
season. Dude, like was that, was that
the worst game a wide receiver's ever played?
Dude, I'm. He he got, he got concussed at
the end of it, apparently. Cherry on top, like, I mean it,
it was like he couldn't come back for the ball on the 1.
He dropped another one. He fell down on the two point
conversion, which meant that Kurt Warner had to like loudly
be wrong on Twitter for the next 24 hours.
Like I, I just, the whole thing was terrible.
Yeah, I've said this before. I'll say it again.
As a Patriots fan, I'm not sure we're ever going to live down
the Jalen Polk over adenine. Not that Adenine Mitchell has
been some like undisputed smash, but that pick just seems so bad
in retrospect. Even though I can, lad.
Mcconkey. Instead of trading out.
Oh, yeah, that's true too. Fuck, I didn't even realize you
could have done that. All right, Patriots swatter
supers going to remain horrible forever.
Let's get out of here. Jacob, anything you want to tell
people about? Again, thanks for doing this
last minute. This was this was great to get
your insights on these players. But yeah, what do you want to
tell the people about, if anything?
Yeah, I'll have the Part 1 of the Hitchhikers guide, the recap
column out tomorrow morning. As always, I'll have the dynasty
rank update midweek, another one mid season.
I've shifted to biweekly updates, so this this will be an
update week. And then I did a column last
year on tearing down dynasty teams at the midpoint of the
season. I'm going to make a couple of
updates to last year's column and then rerun that for Subs
this week and you can check me out anytime.
If you want dynasty analysis, we do dynasty points every Tuesday
Night Live on Fantasy Points Podcast Network so you can check
that out. Awesome.
And Davis, you got a stream right after this, right?
Yeah, like literally the moment this ends, we're we're starting
it with with Mr. Coach speaking this Greg Brean else he's he's
sitting there looking at me in the other stream yard window.
Oh. OK.
Sorry, Greg. We'll get out of here.
See you guys all next Monday. Bye.