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Hello everyone, and welcome to 
the special Week 8 edition of In

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Season ADP Chasing. 
We're throwing the bag, 

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defending the coping, the 
victory, lapping out. 

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This week we have a new show, 
new show format. 

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We're joined by special guest 
Jacob Sanderson, who's going to 

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help us do an early check in on 
all the rookie pass catchers, 

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wide receivers and tight ends 
and rank them in terms of the 

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rest of season outlook. 
Let's do it. 

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ADP chasing is for when you 
watch ship chasing you go these 

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guys are just football guys. 
And the targets for outrun 

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leagues, that's going to be 
really nice. 

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Actually back in if it's 
Austinette. 

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It's tear into our crystal ball.
Close your eyes, you know all 

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your entries are going to lose. 
Anyway, yeah. 

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That's fair. 
This is a douche von show. 

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It's. 
Anti cabal. 

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It's anti the best ball thought 
leader. 

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I'm obviously lying to some 
degree because like, I have a 

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lot of both of these guys. 
It's the most disgusting. 

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Thing you can make but. 
Man. 

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Davis Jacob, thanks for joining 
us today on short notice. 

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I'm excited for the show. 
Jacob, how you doing today? 

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I'm doing great. 
I mean, as an as a devoted audio

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listener of ADP Chasing, the 
only time that I get to see that

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intro is when I'm a guest on ADP
Chasing. 

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And it is, it's really the 
number one reason why I agree to

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come on the show. 
It's such a treat. 

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It really is the best part of 
the show. 

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I mean, there's no arguing that 
we we have our other bits. 

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We do. 
We do the Justin Fields 

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arguments. 
No, no, the the best bit. 

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But. 
The the best bit is the Russell 

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Wilson and Justin Fields bit, of
which I'm mostly a bystander, 

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like mostly that's you and 
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certainly aligned more with 
Karain on that. 

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I I'm just so, I'm just so 
annoyed by that and like, boy. 

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Were we looking good? 
For 1/4, because like Mike 

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Tomlin does things that like 
Mike Tomlin's whole bit is doing

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things that sometimes they're 
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punting on 4th and a half yard 
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And then sometimes he does 
things that seem incorrect to us

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spreadsheet socialists like 
benching Justin Fields for 

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Russell Wilson. 
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objectively or or potentially 
incorrect, it is always anti 

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cabal and it always works. 
It's just he just wins games. 

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He goes no matter what we want, 
he's going to go 10 and seven. 

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He's going to lose the wild card
round by 17 points, but he's 

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going. 
To maybe. 

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Maybe not this year, brother, 
maybe, maybe not, Maybe not this

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year. 
This. 

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Year. 
Someone in the chat is asking 

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they were looking for a Fields 
tweet for me in quarter one. 

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Buddy, I was asleep after that 
slate yesterday. 

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There was not a game on earth 
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watch Saturday Night Football. 
I mean, it could have been like 

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Tom Brady coming down off the 
stands and starting for the 

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Steelers and and RFK Junior 
starting at tight end for The 

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Jets and I I would not have 
watched. 

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There was nothing that could 
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football yesterday. 
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from crutches. 
Oh sorry, crutches in the chat. 

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It was very suspicious that 
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night and Pat missed the show 
today allegedly for for dad 

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duties. 
I will give him a little credit.

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He did message me before. 
Russ had a good game last night 

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that he was going to miss the 
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Said this was not him dodging 
the fields rust to be. 

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I'll give Pat some credit for 
that. 

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I will say I thought it was fun.
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watching the broadcast last 
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that Chris Collinsworth had from
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second to fourth quarters was 
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Like in quarter one, he's 
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Tomlin told me that, like 
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Like he's ready to bench him 
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And then Russ makes like one 
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like, wow, look at that touch 
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Like no one else can throw a 
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His moon ball is special. 
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Collinsworth is really good at 
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He just kind of picks up on the 
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whatever direction it's going, 
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Collinsworth is is great man. 
I love, I like that because that

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game was such a switch, right? 
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that game I really, really 
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Like we had Tomlin having the 
Regis punt, The Jets going right

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down and scoring off of the 
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We had Ross looking washed like 
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experience out of that game. 
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watching because I had, I had my
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that I had to do. 
So I turned the, the football 

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game off. 
I come back on to see that 

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Garrett Wilson has had like the 
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interception ever and that 
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And I, I hated every single 
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My my like I'm sure people are 
looking for like a really biased

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pro rust take for me. 
I'll give give my honest lovely.

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I think he ironically pro Russ 
just because you're anti feels 

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that you have to like embrace 
Russ. 

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I know you don't actually like 
Russ. 

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No one likes no I I've just been
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how absurd the pro feels. 
People we're at we're at points 

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this season. 
Not not saying he was like a 

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terrible 19th 20th round pick on
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That's totally fine. 
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take on Russ is just that you 
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the Steelers and there are very 
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read, throws the ball, gets out 
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do that. 
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Like obviously some of those 
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the one to Pat Fryermuth, like 
his receivers bailed him out 

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with some awesome catches. 
But he throws the ball give his 

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gives his receivers a chance in 
a way that Justin Fields doesn't

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consistently do. 
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had to like make a play on the 
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like scramble and throw on the 
run, his accuracy looked pretty 

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awful to me. 
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the scrambling that Justin 
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So I honestly think this is 
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this quarterback debate this. 
Quarterback, no, it's, it's 

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pretty over unless we get like a
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Wilson game. 
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that. 
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one thing that he's not going to
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I don't think he's going to fall
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he was last. 
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He only took one sack all over 
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Yeah, he was avoiding sacks too 
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That I think will probably 
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I don't, I don't trust him to 
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I I do trust him for picks. 
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there'll be games when the 
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Like we we watched him the last 
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He was not good. 
I don't see a reason why in this

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offense he would be necessarily 
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I definitely think there were a 
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caught and in a different 
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5050 balls are dropped, then 
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Oh my God, Russell 7 -, 8 CPOE 
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So that that's definitely I 
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But I mean, credit to Mike 
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points. 
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know, defensively and obviously 
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good enough, that definitely 
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Like that moon ball just hangs 
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It's a lot easier as a jump ball
receiver to catch that then like

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Fields just chucking lasers. 
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difference was off play action. 
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I forget whoever had the tweets 
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be misattributing that. 
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yards per attempt on play action
pass attempts and Ross was like 

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something in the neighborhood of
like 18 obviously in a 

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ridiculous sample last night 
where just his deep balls are 

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are a lot yeah, prettier to 
watch where his Fields he throws

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a very flat and frankly kind of 
ugly deep ball. 

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Yeah, I agree with that. 
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that specific tweeter was JJ or 
who it was, but Hayden had been 

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all over that before this week. 
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you go to Ross is the. 
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Like that's in theory where he 
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And I think that it's one game, 
like I'm not taking 18 yards per

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attempt or whatever as a face 
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looked better in that facet than
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So we'll see. 
Let's move on to what the meat 

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of the show is today. 
We're going to be looking at the

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rookie pass catcher. 
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ends, Brock Bowers is going to 
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We each individually ranked them
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rest of season outlook. 
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draft cost, like we're not 
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pick. 
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Like if you were in some 
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only draft rookies, you're 
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season outlook. 
How would you rank them one 

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through 12? 
I think the we can have the 

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tight end conversation when we 
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I'm curious like how people 
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wide receiver stuff. 
We got the Bowers and things 

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like that. 
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That's a general idea. 

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Just top 12 rookie pass catchers
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they've done so far and how 
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forward. 
So I'll share my screen here. 

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We're going to start going one 
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Let's see, can I make this 
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Got to zoom in. 
Got to zoom in OK. 

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Like like if you click view and 
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it bigger in our stream yard 
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I mean, maybe there is a way, 
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advanced enough to do that. 
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I think it's good enough. 
Right now it's fine. 

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Yeah, wish we had Pete here to 
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this will be good enough. 
You can see if we're going to go

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through them one, one through 
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So starting at the top, starting
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Generally what we're going to do
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roughly going to work. 
If if someone is like the lone 

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dissenter in terms of their 
opinion, we'll give them the 

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opportunity to speak first, kind
of share like the dissenting 

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opinion on why they're different
on a player, and then we'll kick

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it to the consensus for the 
rebuttal. 

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So starting with number one, I 
will UN blur this out here and 

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the number one player that we 
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ranked us this season is Malik 
neighbors average rank of 1.3. 

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Davis and I had them had him as 
our number one player. 

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Jacob had him as our number two.
I'm going to go ahead and reveal

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#2 as well. 
Will you? 

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Will you change mine? 
I want to. 

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I actually want to join Jacob on
this. 

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Will you? 
Will you change mine? 

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Will you change mine? 
Jacob is right. 

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Davis is so afraid of when and 
now you just gave it away to the

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entire audience. 
So that was that was that was 

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unfortunate. 
Oh, did I? 

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I'm. 
You did. 

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I'm choosing not to look, though
I haven't seen it because I want

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to maintain my Rawlsian veil of 
ignorance, so I will be. 

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I'm not looking, but the 
audience definitely saw. 

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OK, well, don't whatever, but 
let's we'll, we'll change your 

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rank. 
Davis. 

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I'll figure out how to do that. 
But Jacob, I'll give it away. 

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You had Bowers. 
The original center. 

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Yeah, you as the original 
center. 

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You had Bowers at number one 
over Malik Neighbors. 

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So I'm curious for that case, 
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Neighbors and why you have 
Bowers ranked #1. 

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Yeah, basically, I think that 
there's a lot of similarities 

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between these two guys. 
Like you look at yards per out 

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run, Bowers is 2.26, Malik 
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Targets Per out run is 
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Neighbors, but it's also a lead 
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either of these guys having like

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massive upside in a given week 
is just how many touchdowns is 

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this offense going to score, 
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It's it's often times the answer
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it's going to be two. 
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hard for these guys to hit like 
40 point upside versus some of 

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the players in more potent 
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So if I'm looking at like more 
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one of them and like, I don't 
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of how, you know, we should 
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But the way I looked at it is 
basically just who am I most 

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excited to see on a given 
underdog team, it's advancing or

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a redraft team or any team as it
goes into the playoffs. 

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And to me, that's Bowers, 
largely because famously the 

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tight end position sucks pretty 
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So the potential for Bowers to 
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position is is huge. 
And then also just based on kind

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of where he was drafted is like 
a little bit in the back of my 

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mind where like neighbors is 
obviously such a phenomenal pick

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anywhere you took him. 
But the fact that you're able to

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get Bowers where we're able to 
get Bowers, like that's just the

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player where if you were able to
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those wind up being massive 
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So that's that's probably the 
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if any player in the pool, 
honestly, that if I'm, if I 

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could choose to have one player 
on a team that I know I I'm 

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going to advance into the play 
offs, like it would probably be 

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Brock Bowers. 
Not, not Henry. 

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Well. 
Davis. 

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If you have 0 Henry teams then 
it's kind of a relevant 

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discussion. 
Let me check I I highly don't 

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have 0. 
Henry teams, but I don't think 

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that that's directionally 
inaccurate. 

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Yeah, I don't have a ton. 
It's not either to be honest. 

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So that's. 
Let me explain. 

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Let me explain why I just two. 
Percent of the big dog. 

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So that's a lot of sheet that's 
actually they actually took away

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my my apartment. 
So that's all I live under 

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actually is my 2% exposure sheet
to Derrick Henry after the day 

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with me. 
I, I changed my vote because the

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Andrew Thomas thing, we, we saw 
the impact of it like literally 

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immediately, like ball mowers 
were saying it's going to change

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their whole protection scheme. 
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able to do was they would just 
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So the running back would chip 
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there they would have to scheme 
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middle or through the right. 
Because Andrew Thomas is just 

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like literally the best. 
Like he's just winning his 

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one-on-one battle. 
Sometimes his two on one battle,

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like sometimes they'll be two 
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of dissuade them both because 
he's so good and just like. 

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He's out for the year, right? 
Sorry. 

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Sorry, Davis. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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OK, yeah. 
And so immediately the Wandale 

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PPR scam becomes more important 
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it back. 
And immediately neighbors, A dot

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goes down as well. 
And we also already saw like, 

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oh, all right, Daniel Jones head
to the bench. 

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Brother. 
I I think they said he was hurt,

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but I mean, let's be real. 
So now we've got like the the 

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Daniel Jones drew lot. 
It's just like it to me, that's 

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a situation where you're on A4 
win team. 

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The other thing is the defense 
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You know, they're, they're 
playing these really tight first

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halfs and like so the way Dabel 
and the and the coaches are 

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doing the game plan, they're 
they're like, oh, we don't, we 

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don't want to try and score like
we'll let's try it. 

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Let's literally try and win 
6:50. 

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That's what they tried to do 
against the Bengals. 

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Neighbors wasn't playing in that
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Neighbors A dot will trend down.
I think his targets per route 

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run will be fine, but I bet the 
the yards per route run trends 

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down a smidge. 
And I I actually saw the 

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craziest stat today. 
Brock Bowers is on pace to break

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Fukunukua's rookie receptions 
record. 

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Yeah, he's on pace for like 115 
receptions. 

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Yeah, actually I ran this today.
He's on pace for 115 catches for

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11150 receiving yards this 
season. 

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So truly insane. 
Paige, just from like APR volume

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perspective, Truly insane. 
Sorry, sorry, Davis, didn't mean

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to interrupt. 
Interrupt. 

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You there? 
Well, basically I just think 

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like there's a non zero chance 
and neighbors just are Bowers 

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just scores more half PPR points
for the rest of the season then 

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neighbors and he's also eligible
at a position where no one 

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scores fantasy points ever. 
So I I just, I think I would 

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wrap almost regardless of 
format, regardless of whatever. 

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I think I would just rather have
Bowers than neighbors. 

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Yeah, I, I think this is 
interesting. 

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You guys are like really close 
to, to selling me on flipping. 

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I think it's like very, very 
close. 

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I, I have these per route 
numbers here. 

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Just for context, Bowers and 
neighbors are nearly identical 

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in terms of target earning yards
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And like you said, they're kind 
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it's not a good offense. 
Like either of them are on 

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offenses that are going to 
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points. 
The reason I type broke to 

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neighbors is because I do think 
this Giants offense is like 

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normal bad and this Raiders 
offense has potential to be like

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like bottom one percentile bad 
based on who they're throwing 

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out there right now. 
Now ain't no Connell's injured. 

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So Minshew's back in does that. 
Matter Minshew is way better by 

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the way. 
I think he's like, I think 

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Minshew. 
I get why the coach has benched 

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him because he's like a he's an 
absolute Baker. 

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He's just handing out turnovers.
But like from a fantasy 

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production perspective, I don't 
care how many interceptions he 

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throws. 
Like so and he he I think 

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clearly like makes more stuff 
happen, right? 

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Like he just kind of scrambles 
around. 

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He finds guys like whereas Aiden
O'Connell, I think is just kind 

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of a total nothing burger. 
Like we saw when he was in there

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last year. 
It was just like non event 

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football. 
So I'm not not happy for Aiden 

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O'connell's sake, but I'm, I'm 
like happy for Brock Bowers and 

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Jacoby Myers sake that we're 
getting Minshew back in there, I

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think. 
I guess, yeah, I guess just to 

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finish my point, like I I could 
be wrong about this and someone 

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can maybe even crunch the 
numbers on this. 

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Like if you're looking at 
implied team totals over the 

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rest of the season, I would 
guess the Giants, even though 

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they're bad or still like a tear
above the Raiders. 

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Now, if you want to sell me on 
this Andrew Thomas thing, like 

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knocking that expectation way 
down. 

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I, I, I see that argument. 
It's just for me that like 

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neighbors, he can get there on 
just like 60 yard TD bombs in a 

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way that. 
Brought that. 

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Yeah, so like this like PPR 
scammy player. 

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I guess this is like maybe like 
a platform conversation like 

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DraftKings versus underdogs too.
Because even though Bowers, I 

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agree with Jacob that he's going
to be this like mega smash in 

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terms of like receptions 
yardage, like his role is so 

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insane. 
Is he going to break the tight 

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end position? 
I'm not sure just because of the

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like the touchdowns. 
I don't know man like that. 

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That's where I struggle with 
them, but you're comparing them 

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to neighbors and neighbors has 
those concerns as well. 

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So I think this is really close,
you guys, I. 

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Guess to me it's a threshold, 
right? 

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Like if neighbors goes like if 
neighbors goes 9 for 90 and 0 on

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underdog as a receiver, that's 
like borderline meaningless in a

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playoff week. 
Whereas if Bowers does that, 

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it's possible that like the 
Titan four in a week has like 6 

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points and that he's still able 
to separate with that. 

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And I I don't know what sites 
we're supposed to consider in 

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this exercise. 
Like in my mind, I was thinking 

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about this from underdog 
DraftKings and FFPC perspective.

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And on FFPC, Brock is just like 
an absolute hammer because he 

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just comes pre loaded with eight
for 80 every single week and 

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he's locking 20 points into your
lineup like it's. 

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It's so that that's. 
Partially what push it over the 

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edge for me too is the FFPC. 
Consideration yeah that's fair 

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like yeah, this is FFPC if we 
made that specifically this 

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format, I think like Bowers is 
for sure consensus one O 1 there

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all right just a couple of 
things saying that he just gets 

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there every week by the way like
I don't know how it happens. 

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I didn't even think this was 
going to work. 

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Like famously, I'm on record. 
Hyperbolically claiming he's the

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greatest football player of all 
time. 

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And I did not think that when 
Devonte Adams moved away that 

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this was going to like work, 
that they were. 

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Just going to show the lack of 
imagination we'll. 

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Throw like all of our targets to
a tight end and like he'll still

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be efficient and catch all of 
them. 

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Like I that seemed problematic 
to me. 

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It does not matter. 
Like he's he's just so good, 

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actual hell and he just gets 
there every week. 

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It is insane. 
He also, like, this is like on 

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the margins, but he does have a 
little bit of room to grow in 

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route participation. 
He's at 75% now, which is not 

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out of line. 
Yeah. 

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It's like, yeah, you could get 
him up to 85. 

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Like Trey McBride's at 86, 
Kelsey's at 88. 

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So I can see a world where they 
get him up even higher there. 

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And just like this is like a 
just a film take, but I've 

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watched a lot of tight ends for 
this established run article I'm

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doing this year, including Brock
Bowers. 

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And it's just like undeniably 
true that Brock Bowers moves way

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differently than all tight ends 
in the NFL right now. 

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Besides like George Kittle 
maybe. 

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Yeah. 
Like he he wins one on ones in 

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man coverage versus corners. 
Like you, you watch like Tucker 

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Craft Hunter Henry, Kyle Pitts, 
even Dalton Cade, whatever. 

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Try to do that. 
Not going to happen. 

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Brock. 
Brock Bowers can win those 

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matchups in the Ravens game, is 
what I'm thinking back to you 

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specifically with this take is 
like he's just out there like 

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routing up like safeties and 
corners and just like bullying 

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them and winning like that's 
just sick to watch for a tight 

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end, so. 
And one other thing on Bowers, 

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and this was a big part of the 
case I was making for him is 

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they had a segment on the 
broadcast yesterday where they 

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just did a cut up of him 
blocking. 

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And they were talking about like
his quotes and he was like, I 

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love blocking even more than I 
love receiving. 

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Like I just love football. 
Like I just want to be 

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everything that I've played. 
Like imagine, imagine Kyle Pitts

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ever giving that quote. 
Like if you ask Kyle Pitts what 

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he thinks about blocking, he 
would be like, it's an 

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unfortunate byproduct of the 
game I've chosen to play. 

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And rock power is like, I just 
want to I just want to knock 

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over a dude's face. 
Like that's that's how you stay 

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on the field. 
The NFL is a Ricky tight end is 

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you. 
You love blocking more than you 

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love receiving. 
Yeah, and last thing, I just got

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to get all my Bowers love out 
here. 

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I realize it's maybe beating a 
dead horse or whatever the 

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opposite of that is for a good 
thing, but Brock Bowers on the 

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season, 28% targets were outrun,
2.3 yards per outrun. 

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I just have this very simple 
like rookie year database where 

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I make statistical comps just 
based on targets for outrun, 

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yards for outrun. 
Like nothing fancy, just purely 

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statistical comps. 
If he was a wide receiver, these

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would be his closest statistical
comps in my model. 

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Tyree Hill, Drake London, Chris 
Olave, Rashi Rice, Kukunakua and

450
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,680
then Christian Watson and Mark 
Davis. 

451
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,680
Bryan but. 
Hey man, Christian Watson. 

452
00:22:54,120 --> 00:22:56,200
Not not dead, brother. 
Far, far. 

453
00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:00,200
From you as as the person who 
made him my Gold Star play last 

454
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,840
week, I I think I've had enough 
of Christian Watson for a while.

455
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:05,880
Well, to be fair, you you didn't
know. 

456
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,680
You didn't know Wix was going to
play, to be fair. 

457
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,320
That's true, but I still played 
Christian Watson in The Spy. 

458
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,000
So it was. 
It was fun. 

459
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,240
Well. 
Packers wide receiver, just 

460
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,720
whatever the opposite of like 
the narrative is going into the 

461
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,680
week. 
Just just choose that because 

462
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,720
God, it's been so brutal. 
But yeah, anyway, my point is. 

463
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:29,200
Like Wicks is back, brother. 
Like, yeah. 

464
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,640
Thank God that we play a lot of 
basketball because the Dontavian

465
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,400
Wicks that has been in my line 
UPS. 

466
00:23:36,360 --> 00:23:39,520
In FFBCI stakes versus the dot, 
Fabian Wicks that are sitting on

467
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,360
my bench are two very different 
players. 

468
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:48,160
So all right, we're going to 
move on here to #3 I, I do think

469
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:49,920
would you guys say this is the 
end of the tier? 

470
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,760
Malik Neighbors and Bowers? 
That's kind of how I view it, 

471
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,800
no? 
I I think the next guy is very 

472
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:54,880
sneaky. 
In this tier. 

473
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:56,000
OK, All right. 
It's like a. 

474
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,320
One A1B situation but. 
It is. 

475
00:23:58,360 --> 00:24:06,440
It's A1A1 B 1.7 C. 
OK, so no one's no one's stuck 

476
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,000
on their priors. 
We've all we've all moved on and

477
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,800
we all we've got three we've all
moved on here. 

478
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,760
You would still be a Marvin guy.
I know. 

479
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,160
Yeah, I was I like basically set
up this entire show to debate 

480
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,960
someone on Marvin Harrison 
versus Brian Thomas and no one 

481
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,240
took the bait. 
So I am disappointed in that 

482
00:24:23,360 --> 00:24:26,800
boring next to picks though 
Brian Thomas and Marvin Harrison

483
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:31,320
junior consensus 34I. 
I had a hard time like coming up

484
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,360
with arguments to rank this any 
other way. 

485
00:24:34,360 --> 00:24:36,680
I also had a hard time like 
there's no one else you can 

486
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,760
realistically put up four over 
Marvin Harrison. 

487
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,560
Like that's overthinking it too,
in my opinion. 

488
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:46,880
So I don't have a time to say 
Jacob all actually, Davis, I'll 

489
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,400
kick it to you here. 
You you seem most like 

490
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:53,120
optimistic about ranking Brian 
Thomas in the same tier as 

491
00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:56,840
Neighbors and Bowers. 
I almost for the bit ranked 

492
00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,600
Bowers 1, Brian Thomas 2, like 
Neighbors 3. 

493
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,640
But that, you know, that just 
flies in the face, just flies in

494
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,720
the face of what Neighbors has 
put on the field. 

495
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,360
And it's too much focusing on 
like Daniel Jones is his 

496
00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:11,600
quarterback and the team is 
cratering around him. 

497
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,920
But Brian Thomas junior, I'll 
say this, Brian Thomas junior 

498
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:19,400
has been a lot closer to Mr. 
Neighbors than he has been to 

499
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,240
Marvin Harrison junior, who 
there's two things you can do 

500
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:24,680
that make his numbers look 
really funny. 

501
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,560
The first is you can just remove
the Rams game entirely. 

502
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,880
And then the other thing is you 
can just look at all the stats 

503
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,840
not recorded in the first 
quarter and you might say, well,

504
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,920
Davis, that is stupid. 
Why would you do that? 

505
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,040
The first quarter stuff is the 
scripted stuff. 

506
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,240
The first quarter stuff is what 
the coaches spend like half of 

507
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,520
practice being like, we're just 
going to do really well on these

508
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,960
plays. 
And then for the rest of the 

509
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,880
game they kind of adjust. 
It kind of goes on who's playing

510
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:58,920
well, what is there if Brian 
Thomas junior was named who, 

511
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:00,520
which one? 
I think 1 of you guys tweeted 

512
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,400
this or maybe someone else did. 
I've I've tweeted like. 10 

513
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,840
versions of the same joke, and 
Twitter finally took the bait. 

514
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,280
Yeah, if he was named Reggie 
Wayne Junior, he would have been

515
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,440
a top ten pick. 
And yeah, it's it's so obvious. 

516
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:12,720
Well, that's. 
True, that's. 

517
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,480
True. 
It's so obvious it's true. 

518
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,680
And it's so obvious it's true. 
The Marvin Harrison Junior like 

519
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,760
has like a pretty good 
production profile at Ohio 

520
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:25,880
State, but not like, you know, I
mean, was he was he was he the 

521
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,000
best Ohio State wide receiver 
prospect of all time in terms of

522
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:33,400
what he put on the field? 
That's a question for Jacob that

523
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,360
I don't really know the answer 
to, to be honest, but. 

524
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,040
He did have like he had like I 
think he had like 3.2 yards per 

525
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:41,680
route run or something. 
So he was, he was pretty 

526
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,960
phenomenal. 
But yeah, I mean, I thought he 

527
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:46,680
was like, he was clearly. 
Excellent. 

528
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,440
He was clearly an excellent 
prospect, like there's no doubt 

529
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,800
about that. 
But I, I felt somewhat similarly

530
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:58,040
about him to what I felt about 
Caleb Williams, which was like 

531
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,600
going into the evaluation, I was
expected to be like blown 

532
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,920
completely away. 
And then my conclusion was like,

533
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,760
oh, he's like a good wide 
receiver prospect. 

534
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:13,680
Like I, I had a chart in my pre 
draft article where I put up his

535
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:20,120
profile next to other similarly 
hyped early declare top five or 

536
00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:22,080
top 6 picks. 
So like him next to like Amari 

537
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,000
Cooper, Malik neighbors, AJ 
Green, Julio Jones, Sammy 

538
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,280
Watkins. 
And it was like definitely hard 

539
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:28,800
to make the claim that he would 
have. 

540
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,600
He was the most productive of 
them. 

541
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,280
Like to you know, you'd have to 
go from like a film basis to 

542
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,680
really say why he was clearly 
better than these guys. 

543
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,840
Like to me, like Jamar Chase was
was pretty solidly a better 

544
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,160
prospect in terms of his 
production that it, you know, 

545
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,600
and how early it came. 
People, people love to like 

546
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,440
retcon Amari Cooper not being 
the greatest wide receiver 

547
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:51,120
prospect of. 
All time. 

548
00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:53,520
No, he was. 
Greatest NFL he was yeah, all 

549
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,840
time, but he just straight up 
was the best wide receiver 

550
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,240
prospect of all time if you're 
willing to be objective about 

551
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:02,000
it. 
So it's you know, but I think he

552
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,120
was great. 
The, the one flag that I think 

553
00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:09,800
has come true that I, I came up 
with on Marvin or not I came up 

554
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:15,240
with, but noted in Marvin, 
Harrison is like Malik Neighbors

555
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:23,040
had 51 missed tackles forced as 
an NFL prospect, whereas 

556
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:28,960
Harrison had, I mean, I thought 
I'd be able to find that in the 

557
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,400
search before I finished, but it
was, it was like a ridiculously 

558
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,560
low number. 
I believe it was like 12O14. 

559
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,880
Neighbors had 51 and Marvin 
Harrison had 14. 

560
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,000
So like the difference between 
them is open field players is 

561
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:45,040
just like immense. 
So it was, that was kind of like

562
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,800
in my article, I had neighbors 
at 3:00 because I'm a coward. 

563
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,160
But I I said, like, I think he 
actually has the higher ceiling 

564
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:51,880
just because he's more of a 
three level talent. 

565
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,960
And so far we've seen Harrison 
get siphoned into this like, oh,

566
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,440
he's just playing X wide 
receiver. 

567
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,160
And and some people have, I 
think begrudged that. 

568
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,440
I think it kind of makes sense 
because that's what he does best

569
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,280
from a real life perspective. 
Like I would love to see him get

570
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,560
more Gimme targets from a 
fantasy lens, but I don't think 

571
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,240
that he actually is that great 
on those Gimme targets because 

572
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,880
he's pretty unlikely to make 
open field plays compared to 

573
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,960
someone like a Neighbors or a 
Thomas, where not only are those

574
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,920
Gimme targets helpful for 
fantasy, but I think that 

575
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,280
they're more likely to add stuff
for the offense. 

576
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,160
Like, I'm not actually sure that
he is better than Trey McBride 

577
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,160
or Greg Dorch at like handling 
a. 

578
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:31,160
Yeah, I I agree with that. 
Now, that was like what always 

579
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,320
stuck out to me in the Marvin 
Harrison thing over the 

580
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,280
offseason is like, we we were 
nitpicking him as a prospect 

581
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,680
over the offseason for sure. 
But like the one nitpick that 

582
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,760
people consistently came up with
is like, yeah, he's not, he's 

583
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,480
not that dynamic of a yards 
after the catch weapon. 

584
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,400
Like, he's not horrible at it, 
but you're not going to design 

585
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,400
an offense around getting Marvin
Harrison the ball on screens. 

586
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,480
He was supposed to kind of be 
like a super giga mega elite 

587
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,320
possession wide receiver 
basically. 

588
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,640
Yeah, like the Cop. 
The upside comp is like DeAndre 

589
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:00,880
Hopkins, I think. 
Exactly. 

590
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,240
Yeah, exactly. 
Yeah. 

591
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,480
Yeah, exactly. 
And that's what I was like. 

592
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,560
Does a receiver that is upside 
comp is DeAndre Hopkins? 

593
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,200
Is that the type of wide 
receiver that like, hits his 

594
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:11,880
ceiling? 
As well the the issue. 

595
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,440
I was skeptical. 
Famously, DeAndre Hopkins did 

596
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,200
not like he he did not that much
as a rookie. 

597
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,160
Got a lot better year 2 and then
year 3 is when it was like, 

598
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,640
well. 
The the NFL is also drifting 

599
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,400
away from that style of player. 
Like the the guy you kind of 

600
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,320
want to be now is either the 
splash play guy or the yak guy. 

601
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,680
You don't want to be, you don't 
want to be DeAndre. 

602
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,880
Like who is the DeAndre Hopkins 
archetype right now that is 

603
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,760
smashing? 
Yeah, I don't know, like Deonte 

604
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,120
Johnson's maybe like kind of 
like that. 

605
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:43,600
Obviously a different player in 
a lot of. 

606
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,080
No, that's that's he's. 
Twitchy. 

607
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,520
He's like. 
Johnny Johnson is notably 

608
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,960
notably like the worst yak wide 
receiver in NFL history. 

609
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,360
But like not for lack of twitch,
more because he forgets which 

610
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,280
way the end zone is and. 
Which, yeah, more concealed. 

611
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,480
He really runs he. 
Runs backwards. 

612
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,040
Yeah. 
So he, he's a weird one, Yeah. 

613
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,400
My my fear with Harrison, like 
the the downside comp, not that 

614
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,160
he didn't have a great career, 
but like one guy he reminded me 

615
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,240
a lot of coming out of college. 
He was also a people forget how 

616
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,680
elite of a prospect he was. 
But some options that are 

617
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,960
missing is Michael Crabtree. 
Oh, interesting. 

618
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:24,200
I kind of like, I kind of like 
that one a little bit. 

619
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,160
I think of Crabtree is like even
more like contested catchy than 

620
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:32,600
I expect Marvin Harrison to be, 
but I kind of see that. 

621
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,880
Yeah, Crabtree, kind of by the 
way, like in a roundabout way 

622
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,800
did sort of get there. 
Like it took a long time. 

623
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,520
Yeah, he was. 
Yeah, he was. 

624
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:42,920
Pretty good. 
Like he was clearly a good 

625
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,880
player. 
I mean, I think it's one of 

626
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,680
those things where like 
sometimes you get these 

627
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,960
ridiculous college prospects and
they don't really hit the way 

628
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,520
that you hope they would hit. 
And people love to forget. 

629
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:58,480
Like Michael Crabtree was a red 
shirt freshman and had 134 

630
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,680
receptions, 19162 yards and 22 
touchdowns. 

631
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,800
Like he was. 
Like like just is one of the 

632
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,840
best wide receiver prospects 
we've ever seen. 

633
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,840
And and then he didn't really 
hit and people were like, he 

634
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,880
wasn't that good. 
It's like, no, he was. 

635
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:16,000
It's just like sometimes elite 
prospects slightly underwhelm. 

636
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,640
He. 
Really was unbelievable. 

637
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,240
I I do want to like this is a 
weird position that I'm in. 

638
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,680
I've never been before. 
Let me be the Marvin Harrison 

639
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,800
Bowl for a second here. 
And like, like, because I'm sure

640
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,680
a lot of people are listening to
this and yelling at their 

641
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,640
screens and saying we're we're 
overreacting. 

642
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:36,960
So on the season, he's still at 
23% targets for route run 1.8 

643
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,560
yards per route run like that. 
If that was like a full season 

644
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,760
stats and like that's all you 
knew, you would be pretty 

645
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,840
excited about that. 
Here are the comps like Rick, 

646
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,520
your comps from that, Garrett 
Wilson, Jalen Waddle, Aman, 

647
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:53,320
Rossin Brown, Brandon IUK, CD 
Lamb, Chase, Claypool, Jarvis 

648
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:57,080
Landry. 
So you know, again, just purely 

649
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,360
statistical comps, not stylistic
comps. 

650
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,040
Like that's a good list to be 
on. 

651
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,680
None of those guys were like 
game breaking fantasy assets as 

652
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,200
rookies. 
I guess a Monroe was for that 

653
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,960
stretch of the end. 
But they're all like very solid 

654
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:14,120
like good rookie seasons. 
And I think like, this is where 

655
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,440
like, I don't fully believe 
this, but you can make the 

656
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,680
argument that Marvin Harrison's 
role can get better. 

657
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,440
I don't have the exact stats 
right now, but Rich Rebar did a 

658
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,760
great breakdown on Marvin 
Harrison junior that basically 

659
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:30,160
showed he's been used as like 
the most like, sacrificial XE 

660
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:34,160
wide receiver in the league. 
Like Sony go routes like, yeah, 

661
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,120
the role is terrible. 
So if you're going to say, OK, 

662
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,520
you know, maybe later in the 
season they put more on his 

663
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,880
plate. 
He gets more Gimme targets. 

664
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,360
But back to the what we were 
saying earlier and what Jacob 

665
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,880
was saying, like that feels a 
little bit like me, like not the

666
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,120
same thing, but a little bit 
like me to people who are like, 

667
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,720
oh, why don't they get like Kyle
Pitts more screens, like more 

668
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,440
Gimme targets, like get him 
going after the catch. 

669
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,280
Well, he's not that good at 
that. 

670
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,440
And when you have Trey McBride, 
I think you're designing the 

671
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,920
vast majority of those Gimme 
touches to the superior Yak 

672
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,280
player. 
So that's where I'm like, I'm in

673
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,520
the middle because I do think 
his role is going to get better.

674
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,560
Like it'd be crazy if they have 
him doing this like stationary X

675
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,440
stuff like the whole season. 
But at the same time, like I see

676
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,239
Jacob's point, like that's what 
his skill set is. 

677
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:25,880
So I don't know Davis Jacob, if 
you have any thoughts on that. 

678
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,280
But I think that is the bull 
case, right? 

679
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,480
Like a role change in terms of 
routes he's running, Yeah. 

680
00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:33,320
And I mean, some sometimes this 
stuff just happens, even if it's

681
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:38,520
not perfectly rational in the 
sense that they spent the 4th 

682
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,040
overall pick on him and they 
don't want to look bad as an 

683
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,120
organization by having him get 
out produced by Malik Neighbors 

684
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,360
and Bryan Thomas every week. 
So they might just dial up a few

685
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,480
screens to juice the numbers. 
You know, like NFL organizations

686
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,920
do that. 
So I think that's a possibility.

687
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,120
He's also like is good. 
I I don't want to make it seem 

688
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,080
like I think he's like some 
receiver. 

689
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,480
I think he's very, very good. 
It's just that it's not 

690
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,480
necessarily the most fantasy 
valuable role of all time. 

691
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:10,120
And then the the one thing maybe
we should talk about is we we 

692
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,480
all ranked Brian Thomas, the 
head of Marvin Harrison junior 

693
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,520
and we've said virtually nothing
about Brian Thomas junior. 

694
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,520
I think, I think we owe him a. 
Little bit of love, insanely 

695
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,360
good. 
He wins at all depths. 

696
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,720
He's adding yak. 
You can't even argue his 

697
00:35:25,720 --> 00:35:28,480
situation is that much better 
because his team is bad. 

698
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,760
His team is losing. 
It took like an all time weird 

699
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,480
result in London for like Doug 
Peterson not getting fired after

700
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,120
that game. 
It's like an all time upset. 

701
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,200
The Patriots March down the 
field, score a touchdown and 

702
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,000
you're like oh dude it's so 
over. 

703
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,720
And then the Jaguars showed 
fight they haven't had in like 3

704
00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:49,680
seasons to to end up winning 
that game. 

705
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,280
Like Brian Thomas Junior 
statistically is closer to 

706
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,040
neighbors than he is to Marvin 
Harrison in terms of like all 

707
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,640
the advanced stuff. 
Well, and you can make a case, I

708
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,840
think I think you can make a 
legitimate case for Brian Thomas

709
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,040
at #1 if if like Sam had 
clarified that this was 

710
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,600
specifically an underdog rest of
season excitement. 

711
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,400
We weren't considering any other
site, any other format. 

712
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,760
It was just underdog best ball. 
I think you can make a case for 

713
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,640
Thomas at 1:00 just because, you
know, as as much as we don't 

714
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,960
like everything that's going on 
with the Jacksonville Jaguars, 

715
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,120
if you think that Trevor 
Lawrence isn't infinitely better

716
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,800
than, you know, Daniel Jones and
Gardner Minshew, then you're 

717
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,400
you're spending too much time on
Twitter. 

718
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,040
So, and the fact that the 
Jacksonville defense is bad is, 

719
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,280
is actually like essential to 
Brian Thomas junior because as 

720
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:43,880
we saw last yesterday with the 
17 consecutive run plays, the 

721
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,920
only thing that is keeping this 
fantasy offense afloat is how 

722
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,720
bad their defense is. 
If their defense plays remotely 

723
00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:53,480
competently, Doug Peterson is 
happy to go full boomer. 

724
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,000
So bad defense. 
Great Lawrence. 

725
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,840
I mean, like, whatever, I I, I 
get it. 

726
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,920
Like I defend Trevor Lawrence 
all the time and people think 

727
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,760
I'm not objective about it. 
Fair enough, I guess. 

728
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,120
But like if you just watch the 
last three weeks in particular, 

729
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:10,760
he's played substantially 
better. 

730
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,960
I, I was happy to say he was 
playing quite poorly in the 

731
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:19,280
first month of the season, but 
the, the deep ball that he threw

732
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:24,360
yesterday to Thomas for like 60 
yards with Gonzales in, I don't 

733
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,440
know, 98th percentile level 
coverage with his arm literally 

734
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,520
between Thomas's two hands, 
Like, that's an absolute dime. 

735
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,640
That's not a throw that you're 
getting out of some of these 

736
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,160
other quarterbacks will have on 
this list. 

737
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,200
And the way he can rack up 
points with the deep balls is 

738
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,200
huge. 
It's a really encouraging thing.

739
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,360
I think yesterday is like we've,
we've seen some games where 

740
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:46,360
Thomas doesn't get any of the 
layup stuff, but that seemed 

741
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,120
like it was changing. 
They gave him two end rounds 

742
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:49,680
yesterday. 
Those those didn't go anywhere, 

743
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:50,880
but it was nice to see that they
wanted. 

744
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:55,320
To that's the all time signal, 
by the way, the the end around 

745
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,160
to the boundary wide receiver is
the all time signal that the 

746
00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:59,680
coaching staff loves the 
players. 

747
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,480
Like I remember watching Alshon 
Jeffrey once do an end around 

748
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,360
and being like, man, this 
coaching staff loves him as much

749
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,800
as I do because there is 
absolutely no reason to ever 

750
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,400
give out Shawn Jeffrey that 
around. 

751
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,280
It's it's totally the same deal.
Yeah, like I don't even think 

752
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:14,800
that's a good real life 
decision. 

753
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,080
Like I'd probably rather give 
that to Parker Washington, but 

754
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,200
like, I'm happy they're giving 
it to Brian Thomas. 

755
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:23,920
The game screens, they it seems 
like it was very much like a we 

756
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,680
just want to keep this guy like 
involved and and keep him active

757
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,920
in the game. 
So that was good to see. 

758
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,640
And yeah, I think I, I think you
can make like a a legitimate 

759
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,160
case for Brian Thomas, 
especially in half PPR as far as

760
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,240
you want to go, because I mean, 
he gets on two of these deep 

761
00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:41,320
balls that go for touchdowns. 
He's probably the easiest guy to

762
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,880
see having like 38 points in a 
playoff week. 

763
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,320
And you? 
Had to have you're not 

764
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,440
advancing. 
I think you're right. 

765
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,640
And I think yeah, I'm actually 
revising my stance on it being 

766
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,600
Bowers and neighbors and a tier 
of their own. 

767
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:56,000
I think it is a three person 
tier A1A1B, whatever you want to

768
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,400
say. 
He just got his elite speed. 

769
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:03,520
Like the thing about Thomas is 
he very clearly has an elite 

770
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,760
trait. 
Like he's still the fastest ball

771
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,720
carrier to touch the ball in the
NFL the season, the only one to 

772
00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:12,080
eclipse 22 mph. 
And the thing about it with 

773
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,120
Thomas that's so awesome is 
that's not like a me Cole 

774
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,320
Hardman size dude running a four
three or whatever. 

775
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:22,360
This is like a six foot three, 
210 LB guy who can like win on 

776
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:26,320
the boundary, win the sideline 
win and jump ball situations. 

777
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:32,520
Like, yeah, so the TD upside, 
you have to project Brian Thomas

778
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:36,520
to just score way more, maybe 
way more as aggressive, but 

779
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,680
definitely more touchdowns and 
then Bowers and neighbors, in my

780
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,920
opinion. 
So yeah, half TPR, he's 

781
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,160
certainly in the conversation 
there. 

782
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,480
And he's just an excellent ball 
winner. 

783
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,160
Like his catch point stuff was, 
you know, shows up in the date 

784
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:50,760
of how fishing he was last year 
at all. 

785
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,760
I thought it showed up on film. 
It's it's really translated so 

786
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,880
far. 
Like he he's just winning a lot 

787
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,120
of those contested situations, 
especially down the field. 

788
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:02,280
And yeah, you combine. 
Winning deep balls with winning 

789
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,320
like end zone fade stuff. 
That's how you get to the 12 

790
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:10,280
touchdowns, 14 touchdowns, yeah.
And yeah, again, just back to 

791
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,040
the numbers, 2.6 yards for 
outruns so far this season. 

792
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:17,120
Again, just A7 game sample. 
But in terms of any rookie wide 

793
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,760
receiver of the last decade, 
that'd be the fourth highest 

794
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:24,080
ever, behind only Odell Beckham,
Puka Nakua, Justin Jefferson. 

795
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,960
So if he continues on this pace,
we're talking like one of the 

796
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,120
best rookie seasons ever. 
So that's like the level of 

797
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,320
player that he's on the 
trajectory of right now. 

798
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:42,160
Let's move on to #5 here. 
Let's see if we have a consensus

799
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,400
or not. 
This one's interesting. 

800
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,440
So I'll I'll go ahead and reveal
the next two because I think we 

801
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,560
just have them essentially 
flipped. 

802
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,440
The next two here we have 
consensus rank. 

803
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,400
Roma Dunze at #5 Davis and I 
both had him at 5. 

804
00:40:55,400 --> 00:41:00,160
Jacob has him at six and then 
Jacob had that flipped with Lad 

805
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:04,360
Mcconkey who he ranked 5th and 
both Davis and I ranked 6th. 

806
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,200
So Jacob, you're the dissenter 
here. 

807
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,600
Curious the lad over a Doon say 
stance. 

808
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,800
Yeah, I mean, I was a big lad 
Bull in the pre draft process 

809
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,760
and I guess I stand by that feel
like I just, I just feel like I 

810
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,240
just gave his prospect profile 
like considerably more love than

811
00:41:25,240 --> 00:41:27,160
I think most of the fantasy 
community. 

812
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,440
Partially because of the pro 
route stuff, partially because I

813
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,160
just really love what he put on 
tape. 

814
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,320
I think that he fits the modern 
NFL game perfectly as being a 

815
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:41,200
guy who hits in the intermediate
of the field on quick outs, on 

816
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,160
in breaking digs, stuff like 
that, versus a guy like Roman 

817
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:45,680
Doonesday. 
And this is something that I'm 

818
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,160
really trying to factor into 
more of my dynasty analysis and 

819
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,480
shows up here kind of like the 
discussion we just had about 

820
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,240
Malik and Marv. 
It's like the guys that I think 

821
00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:58,920
have a little bit more real life
value that has ancillary effects

822
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:00,840
for an offense that doesn't 
immediately translate to 

823
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,320
fantasy. 
I want to give a slight dock to 

824
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,880
and the guy where their skill 
set directly correlates with 

825
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,240
what game we're playing, I want 
to give a little bit of a boost 

826
00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:11,960
to. 
And Lad just hits in the very 

827
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,000
fantasy friendly ways. 
Whenever I'm watching Bears, all

828
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,680
22. 
Like I think Roma Doonesday 

829
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,960
looks great. 
I'm not concerned about him 

830
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,120
being a boss or anything despite
his yards per out run. 

831
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,080
I think he's consistently open. 
It just seems like the way that 

832
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,120
they're setting up their 
progressions, unless Caleb is 

833
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,880
just not going through the 
progressions accurately, which 

834
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,360
is also possible. 
But it seems the way they're 

835
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,160
setting up their progressions is
like we're giving Rome a lot of 

836
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,640
deep down the field routes and 
we're happy if the result of 

837
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,440
those routes is that he opens up
space for Komet, Swift, Keenan, 

838
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,440
etcetera. 
And it doesn't seem like they're

839
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:51,440
dialing up all that many plays 
for Roma Doonsday specifically, 

840
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,520
which is what concerns me. 
And you see that, I mean, 

841
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,600
literally half the targets per 
outrun, a little over half the 

842
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,800
yards per outrun. 
Obviously the big issue with 

843
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:05,240
Vlad McCarthy is that his 27% 
targets per outrun, 1.9 yards 

844
00:43:05,240 --> 00:43:08,520
per outrun is on not a lot of 
fast attempts per game because 

845
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,840
the Chargers are a prehistoric 
offense. 

846
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:18,160
But I I think that it's not 
going to get as good as it used 

847
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:19,880
to be. 
Obviously it's not even going to

848
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,880
get as good as I hoped it would 
be when I was drafting so much 

849
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,520
lad. 
But I think it's going to get 

850
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,760
better than it's been. 
Like two of the games the 

851
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,600
Chargers played, Herbert was 
clearly playing through a ton of

852
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,880
pain. 
They came back in the Denver 

853
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,480
game and they opened up actually
with 10 past attempts versus 2 

854
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,680
rushes in the opening script. 
They then got ahead by like 20 

855
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,680
points immediately and just sat 
on the ball. 

856
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,760
But I think that showed like 
with Slater back, with alt back,

857
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,200
with Herbert healthy in neutral 
scrap, we're at least going to 

858
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,920
be a little bit more of a normal
team and they're going to have 

859
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,280
games where they're going to get
pushed. 

860
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,440
They've already gotten a lot of 
their weak opponents out of the 

861
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,760
out of the shoot. 
And I think in those spots, the 

862
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,480
cockys look like a guy who 
consistently gets open. 

863
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,480
The only guy who consistently 
gets open on the team and has a 

864
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:08,320
chance to rack up some some high
reception games with Justin 

865
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,240
Herbert, who despite the stats I
think individually looks great. 

866
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,400
Yeah, I like all that. 
Makes sense to me. 

867
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:18,200
This was a tough one for me to 
rank so David, so I'll give it 

868
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,280
to you here. 
Why did you rank a doomsday over

869
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:22,760
Mcconkey? 
Or were you swayed by Jacobs 

870
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,480
argument here? 
I'm swayed. 

871
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,840
I'm swayed by it in the sense 
that he's right. 

872
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,840
Like every word that he said is 
right. 

873
00:44:33,240 --> 00:44:35,560
But if I were to tell you, you 
could have one of these guys 

874
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,200
with 11 targets in Week 17, 
you're totally taking a 

875
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,440
doomsday. 
And I'm not sure it is 

876
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,320
particularly close. 
He's going to have a higher A 

877
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,600
dot his quarterback. 
I'm ready to say something very 

878
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:49,800
brave and very controversial is 
better than Justin Herbert in my

879
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,080
opinion. 
The the offense is more I look 

880
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,480
at look at that Jacob face. 
He's not there. 

881
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,040
He's not there yet. 
This will this will be a good 

882
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,680
one. 
Who ends the season higher in 

883
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:05,600
cumulative EPA plus CPO. 
We composite because right now 

884
00:45:05,720 --> 00:45:08,960
they're both I mean they're both
way outside of of where you 

885
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,400
would want your quarterback to 
be right now. 

886
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:17,320
But Caleb Williams has 2 
unbelievable stinkers on his 

887
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:22,320
record and and Herbert does not 
have two huge stinkers pulling 

888
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,520
him down. 
So right now Caleb Williams is 

889
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,720
19th and EPA plus CP we 
composite Justin Herbert is is 

890
00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:35,040
21st Rome, Rome is. 
EPA, famously a team stat. 

891
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:42,920
Well, I mean, I don't, I would 
say he the Chargers have the far

892
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,680
better coaching staff. 
I think Greg Roman is better at 

893
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:46,080
his. 
Job. 

894
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:49,360
It's like Quentin Johnston. 
Sure. 

895
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,400
No, I mean that that's that's 
definitely true. 

896
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,200
Like basically, I think there 
are going to be more passing 

897
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,360
points available on the Chicago 
Bears to the point. 

898
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,960
Yeah, I I agree with that. 
Regardless if you think Caleb is

899
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:05,280
better than sure, sorry to 
interrupt like, but I think we 

900
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,720
don't need to get lost in like 
the Herbert versus Caleb debate 

901
00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:09,360
to probably agree. 
I think Jacob agrees with this 

902
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,000
too. 
Like that total pie of receiver 

903
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:16,120
fantasy points on the Bears. 
Yeah, this, this one is just 

904
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,640
we're close, but I I think a 
doomsday can score more 

905
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,720
touchdowns for the rest of the 
season than Glad, even 

906
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:25,520
considering where he's at in the
pecking order. 

907
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:30,800
Yeah, I, I, I do side with the 
doomsday, just barely. 

908
00:46:31,240 --> 00:46:34,720
I, I, I don't think it's wrong 
to have Mcconkey ranked higher. 

909
00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:37,280
I think it's definitely the same
tier here for me. 

910
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,240
It's just a little bit like 
we've kind of seen the 

911
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:43,280
contingent upside, upside case 
with a doomsday already. 

912
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,160
Keenan missed a game or he 
missed a couple games, and one 

913
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:50,360
of those games, a doomsday went 
6 for 1/12 and a touchdown 11 

914
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,480
targets. 
So that that's where I'm at. 

915
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:56,040
Like the thing with the hockey 
that scares me and I'll maybe 

916
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,200
give like the upside case for 
him in a second, but what scares

917
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:02,520
me is like they already have 
like absolute wid sprinters out 

918
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:06,560
there next to him and Quinton 
Johnson and Josh Palmer or 

919
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,840
whoever else is Darius Davis and
the ceiling is still yeah, semi 

920
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,800
Foco like we already have like 
the not target competition 

921
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,200
situation for Mcconkey and he's 
been very good like per out all.

922
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,040
That Yeah. 
What if Brendan Rice starts 

923
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,400
playing? 
But. 

924
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,880
Yeah, here here's like the 
positive for the Chargers, and I

925
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,400
think Jacob alluded to this, but
they were at -10% pass rate over

926
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,720
expectation in weeks one through
4. 

927
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:36,680
They came out of the buy in week
6 and were up plus 2% in a game.

928
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,600
That was big. 
They led the whole way. 

929
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:43,880
So maybe that's a shift from 
Roman after the buy. 

930
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,720
Like I'd like to see that for 
more weeks. 

931
00:47:45,720 --> 00:47:48,240
But if that was sustained and 
like this pass volume actually 

932
00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:52,400
is ticking up, then I think the 
Mcconkey rank over a doomsday 

933
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,400
starts to make a lot of sense. 
Because, yeah, for me, it's just

934
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,400
like a ceiling thing for a 
doomsday where I still think his

935
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:02,360
ultimate ceiling just just looks
better than Mcconkey to me. 

936
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:06,560
But yeah, I I agree it's close. 
Any any last thoughts there, 

937
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,280
Jacob or yeah, maybe do you buy 
that the Chargers are actually 

938
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,080
passing more? 
Was that like a fluke in the 

939
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:14,080
data in week 6? 
Do you think I I buy that 

940
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,040
they're going to be closer to? 
Average. 

941
00:48:17,240 --> 00:48:21,000
I would certainly not bet on +2 
for rest of season, but I, I 

942
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,680
don't think they're going to 
stay at -10 like the first, the 

943
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,400
first four weeks, their average 
pass attempts per game was like 

944
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:31,520
22.5. 
That would set a record for like

945
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,880
lowest pass pass attempts per 
game. 

946
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:35,760
And I think it was like 40 or 50
years. 

947
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,920
So that's just not going to 
happen. 

948
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,680
I especially not with a, with a 
non Russian quarterback. 

949
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,440
So be it password over 
expectation regressing a little 

950
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,840
bit closer to 0, be it game 
script pushing them, be it their

951
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,440
quarterback not playing hurt 
like I think they're going to 

952
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:56,120
end closer to 29 to 32 pass 
attempts per game rest of 

953
00:48:56,120 --> 00:49:00,560
season, which is is not good, 
but still considerably better. 

954
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,720
I I will just quickly say the 
Roman Dunes day breakout game 

955
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,640
and I played them in all my DFS 
lineups that week, so I enjoyed.

956
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,400
It it. 
Was it was pretty fake, like the

957
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:14,200
Colts have a way of just jacking
up opponent play volume. 

958
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,160
In some of these games, players 
ran like 90 plays. 

959
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,640
They did it against the worst 
defense in the league and Roman 

960
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,920
only had like a 19% targets per 
outrun in that game. 

961
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:27,600
They just threw like 55 times. 
So I I think that the like the 

962
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,920
11 targets 6112 and one looks 
fantastic. 

963
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,240
It's nice that he plays in an 
offense that can get the 55 pass

964
00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:35,600
attempts. 
I don't know that the Chargers 

965
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:37,880
have that in their bag, so 
that's a plus. 

966
00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:41,920
But it was a pretty fake 
breakout game where if his name 

967
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:46,680
wasn't Roma Doonsay and that was
like the Bub means breakout 

968
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,000
game. 
Everyone in fantasy, you know, 

969
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,080
you'd be like, oh, that's 
obviously fake, but because it's

970
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,720
Roma Doonsay who we like for 
like also pass the caution flags

971
00:49:53,720 --> 00:49:56,640
and just, you know, drive on 
through and inside the box 

972
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,400
score. 
Also turns out a Doonsay's 

973
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:02,200
college teammates stink so. 
Yeah, I wonder. 

974
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,720
I, I wanted to bring that up 
because I, someone had this in 

975
00:50:05,720 --> 00:50:08,360
the chat. 
I, I have actually thought about

976
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,360
whether we should be factoring 
this in because for the record, 

977
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:15,760
like this can go both ways. 
Like you can interpret it like, 

978
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,360
OK, these guys that were 
competing with the doomsday for,

979
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:20,960
with targets are actually 
terrible. 

980
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,240
And it's like embarrassing that 
a doomsday seeded any target 

981
00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:27,080
share to them. 
Or you can be like these other 

982
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,560
two guys are like the terrorist 
Marshall to Roma Dunes's Justin 

983
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:32,800
Jefferson. 
And he was so good that he like 

984
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,600
left like rose them up to 
Terrace Marshall level 

985
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:38,200
production, even though they're 
terrible. 

986
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:40,160
You know what I mean? 
Like Jacob, I don't know if you.

987
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,240
Ever you know what the actual 
take is is is that you just you 

988
00:50:43,240 --> 00:50:45,800
got to move Michael panics up a 
tier in your dynasty rankings. 

989
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:47,640
That's that's the actual. 
Take I. 

990
00:50:47,720 --> 00:50:51,160
Think or or move. 
I used to think. 

991
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,000
That the wide receivers were 
carrying Panics, but now I'm 

992
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,320
starting to think Panics was 
actually carrying these guys. 

993
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:01,160
Yeah, that's yeah, I. 
Mean or or was it grub Jacob? 

994
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:06,040
I might have been Grub, but I 
don't know how I feel about Grub

995
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,600
because he thinks that a good 
strategy is to establish the run

996
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,800
by playing no offense as the 
blocking tight end. 

997
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,200
So I don't, I don't know that 
I'm super in on the Ryan Grubb 

998
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,280
experience either There's. 
No, no, no. 

999
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,800
Offense they're they're cooking 
the the Seahawks are cooking, 

1000
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,560
dude, I, I think, I think that's
crazy. 

1001
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,880
The the last thing I'll say and 
and we should move on, but like 

1002
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:28,320
this Roma Dunes a yards per out 
run targets for out run stuff 

1003
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:32,440
certainly like looks ugly. 
I will say like we have to 

1004
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,240
remember the context of the 
bears offense. 

1005
00:51:34,240 --> 00:51:38,080
Look at DJ Moore and Keenan 
Allen's yards per out run. 

1006
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,720
They're also at like 1.3 and one
point O 5 or something like 

1007
00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:44,120
that. 
So unless you're saying DJ Moore

1008
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,800
is cooked now and he's a bad NFL
wide receiver, you can't really 

1009
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,280
say that at Roma Dunes. 
They like all these guys per 

1010
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,200
route numbers look bad because 
the Bears start off the season 

1011
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,240
playing horrible football. 
So I'll just say like I'm not 

1012
00:51:56,240 --> 00:51:59,200
putting a ton of weight into 
these per route stuff for Roma 

1013
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,720
dunce, although it's definitely 
below expectation. 

1014
00:52:01,720 --> 00:52:05,000
We can say that like it's it's 
below expectation for sure. 

1015
00:52:05,720 --> 00:52:10,000
All right, let's move on to #6 
here. 

1016
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:14,320
So we got just to summarize, we 
got neighbors and Bowers 1-2, 

1017
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:19,200
Brian Thomas 3, Marvin Harrison 
4, Roma dunce 5, Lad Mcconkey 6.

1018
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:23,720
Then at 7:00, we have some 
disagreement here. 

1019
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:28,920
Xavier Worthy ranked at 7 for 
both Jacob and Davis. 

1020
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:33,200
I ranked him at 8. 
I ranked. 

1021
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:36,280
So I'll, I'll, I'll go here 
first because I'm the dissenter.

1022
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,920
I ranked Keon Coleman above 
Xavier Worthy. 

1023
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:44,320
This this was really close for 
me and I I I'm interested to 

1024
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,120
hear you guys arguments because 
I am definitely open to being 

1025
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,600
swayed. 
But I I almost moved Coleman 

1026
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,680
down more. 
Yeah, that's interesting because

1027
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:56,960
so I was just like converting 
Coleman and Worthy Keon Coleman,

1028
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,480
like a lot has been made of his 
rookie season. 

1029
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:02,080
I certainly think there's some 
things that he struggles at that

1030
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,440
have been well noted. 
Like he can't separate very 

1031
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,040
well. 
His contested catch ability is 

1032
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,560
maybe like a little bit more 
inconsistent than people 

1033
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:13,840
expected. 
But just like if you want to 

1034
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,040
just look at like his analytics,
his like yards per outrun, his 

1035
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:22,360
target earning like 17% targets 
for outrun is not bad by any 

1036
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:23,800
means. 
Like 2 point O yards for route 

1037
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:27,440
run is actually quite good. 
It's definitely been buoyed by a

1038
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:31,520
couple broken plays like 
scramble drill situations where 

1039
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,040
he breaks a tackle, whatever it 
takes for 50 yards. 

1040
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,200
But I do think that that's a 
little bit of Keon Coleman's 

1041
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,000
game, especially when you're 
tied to Josh Allen. 

1042
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:44,000
Like we've seen pretty bad NFL 
wide receivers, Gabe Davis, like

1043
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,520
have that kind of production 
with Josh Allen where they're 

1044
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,680
not that special, but they're 
big bodies. 

1045
00:53:48,720 --> 00:53:51,400
Like Josh Allen starts 
scrambling, they find some open 

1046
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,000
space, Allen hits them and they 
take it for a big play. 

1047
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:58,000
Like it makes sense to me that 
Kian Coleman is able to win in 

1048
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:02,600
some of those situations. 
So the worthy stuff for me, man,

1049
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:07,160
is he's just like he's so small 
out there and and I struggle 

1050
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,960
with like how inefficient he's 
been, But I'll stop running 

1051
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:11,960
here. 
I'll give it to Davis. 

1052
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:16,120
I mean, Mahomes missed him on a 
70 yard touchdown yesterday, 

1053
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:21,400
which would have brought him to,
what, 280 receiving yards and 

1054
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:23,520
five touchdowns in his first six
career games? 

1055
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:28,040
Please be serious. 
No, no, he literally even his 

1056
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:32,880
the biggest play of their season
was him being unbelievably 

1057
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,960
unserious with him waddling down
the sideline just like basically

1058
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,600
playing chicken with the 
defenders. 

1059
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:44,960
I mean, these, these guys are, 
they're, they're driving the 

1060
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,040
life out of me with the 
unseriousness. 

1061
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:52,240
Sky Moore, Sky Moore third most 
snaps of Kansas City Chiefs wide

1062
00:54:52,240 --> 00:54:54,840
receivers yesterday. 
Unbelievable. 

1063
00:54:55,360 --> 00:55:00,200
Here's the deal with with Xavier
word as a as a rookie, the 

1064
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:03,120
volume is clearly not going to 
get to be where we want it to 

1065
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,280
be. 
Although he did have a 36% 

1066
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:09,040
target share yesterday and 
there's clearly some stuff he 

1067
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,680
needs to learn about playing NFL
football. 

1068
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,880
But weirdly, can I tell you 
that, and this is like the thing

1069
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:19,200
you that I can bring as a Chiefs
fan that actually is not being 

1070
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,560
hilariously biased, but this is 
actually understanding how the 

1071
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,480
team works. 
The, the most important play 

1072
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:27,280
that Xavier Worthy made 
yesterday was a third and six. 

1073
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,240
Mahomes gets flushed. 
He's trying to decide if he's 

1074
00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:33,600
going to run, try and run for a 
first down or try and throw a 

1075
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,720
pass. 
Worthy shakes his guy turns 

1076
00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:39,880
around, he's like 5 feet away 
from Mahomes and he catches a 

1077
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:43,160
stupid Mahomes. 
I I think it was with his left 

1078
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,720
hand flipped it. 
They convert for the first down.

1079
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:47,840
They end that drive with a cream
on rushing touchdown. 

1080
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:51,360
That's the kind of thing that is
going to take Xavier worthy from

1081
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:55,920
three for 19, which is what he 
had yesterday, to five for 62 

1082
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:57,360
with a decent chance for a 
touchdown. 

1083
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:00,160
And I know people are so sick of
the Chiefs and they're so sick 

1084
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:05,040
of me talking about worthy, but 
like it's like being a first 

1085
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,760
round wide receiver and then 
immediately stepping into the 

1086
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:09,680
pressure cooker of a team that's
trying to win a third 

1087
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:13,120
consecutive Super Bowl. 
It's like a it's like a lot to 

1088
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:16,520
take on. 
And he is clearly very good. 

1089
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:20,640
He's clearly insanely fast. 
They clearly want to use him in 

1090
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,240
these pretty creative ways. 
Now Hardman scoring that end 

1091
00:56:23,240 --> 00:56:26,920
around at the end of the of the 
game, pretty fucking chill 

1092
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,000
thing. 
Which weirdly, I think I, I 

1093
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,360
actually think the reason why 
Hardman got that play instead of

1094
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:36,800
Worthy was because Worthy got 
smoked by that 49ers safety at 

1095
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,520
the end of the first half and 
they were like one and one of 

1096
00:56:39,720 --> 00:56:41,160
those. 
I thought he was dead. 

1097
00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:45,040
He's so I need to see him again.
He he pops right back. 

1098
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,120
Up. 
He so looked like he just got 

1099
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:52,120
enveloped by the ball rug like 
that was yeah, I'm so mad at 

1100
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,000
myself for drafting this fucking
guy. 

1101
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:57,560
Like I didn't like anything 
about him as a prospect. 

1102
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,480
I was like very vocally out on 
this player through the pre 

1103
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:05,240
draft process and then he went 
to the chiefs and I was like, 

1104
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:09,920
well, I guess it would be like 
hubristic to rule out a round 

1105
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:13,720
one wide receiver on the chiefs.
And I I let myself get talking 

1106
00:57:13,720 --> 00:57:15,400
to him. 
I drafted him on all my stupid 

1107
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:19,080
high stakes teams and I slapped 
it up with Xavier worthy and 

1108
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:23,200
he's just this rummy gadget 
player who can't play receiver. 

1109
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,600
And it's a very like Bears are 
who we thought they were moment 

1110
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:31,600
for me, I hate this just 
immensely. 

1111
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:35,200
But yeah, I don't know. 
I think he can't really play 

1112
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,760
football, but he is still out 
there and. 

1113
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,000
No way he can. 
Play football either. 

1114
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:44,520
So I guess it's fine. 
It's more just that like once I 

1115
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,480
get past Mcconkey and a 
doomsday, to be honest, I don't 

1116
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:49,440
have very much excitement for 
any of these guys. 

1117
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,880
So I'm just looking at it as 
like, who do I think is most 

1118
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:56,280
likely to pop off in a given 
week? 

1119
00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:01,480
And, you know, Worthy, I think 
is still very fast. 

1120
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:03,480
He's still going to run a lot of
routes. 

1121
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:07,040
And in theory, he has a good 
quarterback. 

1122
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:10,000
I know that has it actually. 
Manifested his his quarterback 

1123
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,600
is worse than Caleb Williams in 
EPA plus CPA week. 

1124
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,240
Buddy, I I'm aware. 
I watched every snap of an 

1125
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:18,440
Anthony Richardson versus Tyler 
Huntley slash Tim Boyle 

1126
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:22,000
quarterback duel yesterday. 
And then after running bleach 

1127
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,840
through my eyes, I had to watch 
every snap of a Patrick Mahomes 

1128
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:26,960
Brock Purdy quarterback duel. 
And I don't know which one was 

1129
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:30,560
worse. 
So like I'm, I'm aware that 

1130
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:32,040
Patrick. 
Moe's is no longer. 

1131
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:35,760
Interested in being serious but 
I I don't know, that's just 

1132
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:39,800
where I'm at with Coleman. 
Kevin Tompkins already spoiled 

1133
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:46,040
this, but like, this would be 
the concern. 0 of young 

1134
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:50,520
Coleman's snaps yesterday was 
Cooper on the field for, So they

1135
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:55,120
went and traded for Mark Cooper.
The Shakur Kincaid cook 

1136
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,800
underneath stuff is just going 
to be a part of the offense. 

1137
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,400
That's just what Joe Brady loves
doing. 

1138
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,400
And I don't think there's any 
way around it. 

1139
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:06,560
And so Coleman's like upside 
case now with Cooper. 

1140
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:09,760
I just think it's hard to see. 
I mean, first of all, first of 

1141
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:15,120
all, you have to hope that all 
of, yes, that's right, zero of 

1142
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:16,280
his targets on zero of his 
snaps. 

1143
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:20,320
First of all, you have to hope 
that all of Cooper's routes come

1144
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:23,480
directly from Mack Hollins and 
that none of them come from Keon

1145
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:27,560
Coleman, which should be given 
on a like smart offense, But I 

1146
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,400
don't know that. 
I Josh's favorite guy is Mack 

1147
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:31,360
Hollins. 
That's his guy. 

1148
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:34,560
He loves Mack Hollins. 
So I think that there is a a 

1149
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:38,840
risk to losing routes and then 
even if he's playing all the 

1150
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:42,400
snaps, like to me, it's just 
going to be a hard sell where 

1151
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:44,120
like I think most of their 
downfield stops going to be 

1152
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:45,920
Cooper. 
I think most of their offense is

1153
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,040
still going to be doing like 
short area bullshit. 

1154
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:51,520
And so you're just hoping that 
Coleman continues to hit on like

1155
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:55,360
three to four targets every week
downfield. 

1156
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:58,480
And I get that the yards for 
outrun is high, but like this 

1157
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:00,040
dude wears defenders as a 
backpack. 

1158
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:03,680
Like I I just don't enjoy 
watching him play the game of 

1159
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:07,240
football at all. 
And I think at least with 

1160
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:10,400
Worthy, they kind of have no 
choice but to force feed him, 

1161
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,920
even if he's bad. 
I think that the Bills now have 

1162
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:16,560
a lot of other options they can 
go to over Keon Coleman, even if

1163
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:19,400
he's good. 
Yeah, I definitely see that. 

1164
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:21,600
And I, I agree, like for the 
most part, watching Coleman, I, 

1165
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:25,280
I will say like even though I 
agree with Kevin, there wasn't 

1166
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:27,680
any like role change with Amari 
Cooper there because they 

1167
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:30,320
weren't on the field for 
Coleman's receptions. 

1168
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:35,200
Yeah, But I will say they did 
get Coleman going on a couple in

1169
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,400
breaking routes last week that I
hadn't seen a ton of. 

1170
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:40,480
He got a slam, which he broke a 
tackle, took him for 50 yards, 

1171
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,280
got going on a drag route and 
had some yak there too. 

1172
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:46,400
So I did see some evidence of 
like a little bit of a role 

1173
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:47,920
change, at least in terms of his
route tree. 

1174
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:50,800
And then also I get the like 
routes concern. 

1175
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:54,080
We also have to remember Curtis 
Samuel went out in this game 

1176
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:56,800
with a shoulder injury. 
He might be going to 0. 

1177
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,280
Dawson Knox also had a knee 
injury. 

1178
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:00,880
So there's a chance he misses 
some time. 

1179
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:03,960
And then all of a sudden, like 
when you get to projecting 

1180
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:07,360
routes and snaps, if both those 
guys are out of the picture, I'm

1181
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:11,280
not sure Keon takes that big of 
a hit even if Amari Cooper is 

1182
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:15,680
playing. 
So we'll we'll see here on Keon 

1183
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:19,640
Coleman, but I just saw like 
enough flashes for him compared 

1184
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:23,440
to the flashes for Xavier Worthy
that I'd be willing to buy into 

1185
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,240
that a little bit more. 
But I definitely I think we can 

1186
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:29,600
all agree like this is a huge 
teardrop off from the previous 

1187
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,920
guys we were talking about, in 
my opinion. 

1188
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,680
Are we in consensus there, Davis
or? 

1189
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:38,760
Yeah, yeah. 
OK. 

1190
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:40,400
Well, yeah, yeah. 
From maybe? 

1191
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:42,960
Maybe not huge tear break, but a
tear. 

1192
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:43,320
Break. 
No. 

1193
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:47,200
Pretty, pretty big. 
Yeah, like Ladd Mcconkey versus 

1194
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:51,240
Worthy, I don't think any of us 
arguing is is very close there. 

1195
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:53,400
I don't think so. 
What if Mahomes? 

1196
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:58,600
What if Mahomes plays good? 
Like truly like, like what if 

1197
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:00,200
Mahomes all of a sudden, sort 
of. 

1198
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:05,200
Playing news for Noah Gray. 
I think the Noah Gray stuff is a

1199
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,640
function of him playing poorly 
actually. 

1200
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:11,840
You know what Mahomes is a lead 
at now is scrambling. 

1201
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:14,800
He's he's like the best. 
Well, he's, he's always been a 

1202
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:16,120
lead at it. 
He just never had he. 

1203
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:18,080
He just has not had to do it all
that often. 

1204
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:19,760
Yeah, but yeah. 
He is. 

1205
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:25,000
Avoiding like every game getting
first downs is so good at it. 

1206
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,560
Like, yeah. 
Every game Holmes plays now, it 

1207
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:29,680
feels like he's like mad in 
achievement hunting. 

1208
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:32,480
Like it feels like he opens the 
game and he's like, I'm going to

1209
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:37,320
get the like only target Noah 
Gray and score a touchdown on 

1210
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:39,480
the drive achievement. 
And then the next time it's like

1211
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:43,920
pick up a a field goal only with
scrambles achievement. 

1212
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,160
Like it doesn't. 
I don't know if it's just what 

1213
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:47,640
he used to do to keep himself 
entertained. 

1214
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:51,160
The most annoying thing about 
this whole experience and I is 

1215
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:53,920
that like Elise Davis will get 
to experience the joy of being a

1216
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:57,680
world champion again. 
But after doing nothing to 

1217
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:01,360
benefit me for 17 weeks, ruining
the worthy bags that I 

1218
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:06,000
reluctantly drafted, literally 
murdering the Rishi Rice bags 

1219
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,760
that I was very excited about, I
know that I'm then just going to

1220
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:11,200
have to watch Patrick Mahomes 
play pitch perfect football all 

1221
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:13,640
playoffs and win a third 
consecutive Super Bowl after 

1222
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:15,920
doing absolutely nothing all. 
Regular the the question is, do 

1223
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:17,880
they break? 
A No joy from that at all. 

1224
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:21,200
Do they, do they break a sweat 
in the Super Bowl or is it 

1225
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:24,000
totally uncontested that that's 
that's really? 

1226
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,080
Probably uncontested like I I 
just. 

1227
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:29,320
So I guess the way it'll bring 
me joy is I'll draft like 65% 

1228
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:32,040
Justin Watson in playoff 
basketball contest. 

1229
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:34,400
Yeah, it's disgusting and I hate
it. 

1230
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:36,800
When you're talking about the 
achievements, I was just 

1231
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:39,480
thinking of like Mahomes 
scrolling through his 

1232
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:41,960
achievements that he's unlocked 
in the Chiefs offense and 

1233
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:45,680
there's just one that says make 
Sky Moore look good once and he 

1234
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:47,320
can't figure out how to unlock 
that. 

1235
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:51,280
Win, win. 
Winning a Super Bowl with more 

1236
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:54,120
interceptions than touchdowns is
a good is a good achievement. 

1237
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,040
Oh my God. 
All right, moving on to #10 

1238
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:58,800
here. 
I actually forget what this is. 

1239
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:04,440
No intro Xavier Lee get Jacob. 
Jacob was the Lee get bull here.

1240
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:11,040
Yeah, I, I got to say I, I think
Lee get over to Coleman is tough

1241
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:14,160
for me to to swallow Jacob, but 
I I'll listen to your case on 

1242
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:16,760
that one there. 
He's just clearly the number 2 

1243
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:20,320
on his team, on a team that's 
going to throw a ton versus 

1244
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:22,000
Coleman. 
I think it's like the number 4 

1245
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:24,040
on a team that doesn't have much
interest in throwing. 

1246
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:26,320
Yeah, but can we talk about what
teams we're talking about here? 

1247
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:31,720
I mean it are the bills like 
that great of an offense to be a

1248
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:33,840
pass catcher on? 
Like I understand they're a good

1249
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:37,320
team, but like nothing about 
their offense has been 

1250
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:39,160
particularly inspiring this 
year. 

1251
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:41,560
Most of what is inspiring comes 
on the ground. 

1252
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:45,760
Like what what value do you have
in being a Bills pass catcher? 

1253
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:48,240
Like I just, I don't, I don't 
really see it. 

1254
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:51,360
So I get the Panthers have these
games where they're a complete 

1255
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:54,600
disaster, like like this past 
week, which sucks, but they also

1256
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:55,920
have games where they're vaguely
competent. 

1257
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:57,800
And the one thing you can count 
on with the Panthers is they can

1258
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:00,160
have a million pass events 
because their defense is 

1259
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:04,480
horrific. 
So I don't know, I, I don't, I 

1260
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:07,040
don't see that much of a 
difference between these two 

1261
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:09,040
guys. 
Like I, I obviously Coleman has 

1262
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:11,840
hit on more of his contestant 
stuff. 

1263
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:13,800
So that's you see the big 
efficiency gap. 

1264
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:15,600
But I, I. 
Don't think it looks better to 

1265
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:18,480
me though. 
He does to me as well. 

1266
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:19,800
Maybe that's. 
Yeah, I don't agree. 

1267
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:22,680
I don't disagree with that. 
Like just from like an 

1268
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:26,000
individual player perspective, 
like I would prefer to have Lee 

1269
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,080
get on my football team than 
Keon Coleman. 

1270
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:30,760
But yeah, I guess I'm just 
leading it. 

1271
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:34,480
Like we've just seen Josh Allen 
make Gabe Davis like a really 

1272
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:38,960
good best ball wide receiver. 
We've seen him get Dalton 

1273
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:42,400
Kincaid drafted in the 1st 4 
rounds because of hope for some 

1274
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:45,720
reason. 
So yeah, but I, I see what 

1275
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:48,960
you're saying like it it's a 
cleaner path in some ways to 

1276
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:52,520
imagine we get just like having 
a 20% target share of the rest 

1277
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:54,760
of the way and having spike 
weeks than it is for Coleman. 

1278
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:58,520
But I just think the the Bills 
thought, let's say what you want

1279
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:01,240
about the Bills offense, their 
touchdown projections each week 

1280
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:06,040
versus the Panthers is like 
what, double like or 1.8 XI? 

1281
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:10,800
Don't know, certainly, Yeah. 
So yeah. 

1282
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:15,400
A lot of those touchdowns are 
Josh Allen stealing for himself.

1283
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:17,960
A lot of those running backs 
like I, I don't know one. 

1284
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,160
Of them's going to Matt. 
Collins for some reason, yeah, 

1285
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:25,080
yeah, Dawson knocks like I at 
least they get like, I know he's

1286
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:27,680
going to run a lot of routes. 
I know they're going to throw a 

1287
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:31,560
lot of passes and. 
And I guess that makes me warm 

1288
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:34,880
and comfy. 
Versus a Coleman experience. 

1289
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:36,640
But I don't know, maybe this is 
a defensible. 

1290
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:39,040
I don't feel that strongly about
this ordering. 

1291
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:44,560
Yeah, that's, that's fair. 
We'll we'll keep going here, get

1292
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:46,040
some of the next couple names 
out. 

1293
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:48,960
I do think like, I guess closing
the book on Xavier Lee. 

1294
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:51,560
Yeah, I do think like the thesis
of just taking a first round 

1295
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:54,920
wide receiver at pick 160 or 
wherever he was going on 

1296
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:58,560
DraftKings or 1:30 or wherever 
he's going on underdog like I 

1297
01:06:58,560 --> 01:06:59,840
think. 
Pretty much undefeated. 

1298
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:03,640
Yeah, that, that almost always 
wins unless you're picking Jolin

1299
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:05,840
Polk. 
But anyways. 

1300
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:08,360
Was Jolin Polk ranked by any of 
us? 

1301
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:11,520
No, no, he was not this this 
one. 

1302
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:15,200
I have some means. 
I do want to talk about Pierce 

1303
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:17,520
all 'cause I think he's actually
one of the the most interesting 

1304
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:19,400
like waivers discussions this 
week. 

1305
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:24,160
I had him over league at at #9. 
Now I was assuming for this rank

1306
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:28,560
Brandon Iuke. 
I was also assuming that these 

1307
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:31,760
Jawan Jennings and Debo Samuel 
injuries are are not major and 

1308
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:33,920
they'll be back soon. 
Also assuming Christian 

1309
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:35,480
McCaffrey is going to be back in
a couple weeks. 

1310
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:38,680
So that's kind of the lens 
through which I was viewing 

1311
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:42,440
Pierce all and we can't say much
about Pierce all so far. 

1312
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:45,920
He played like 30 snaps in his 
NFL career so far. 

1313
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:49,000
I watched them. 
Can't say he looks horrible, 

1314
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:52,160
can't say he looks special. 
The dudes recovering from a 

1315
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:54,440
gunshot wound. 
So tough to say how much that's 

1316
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:58,160
affecting him now, but just just
give me like the the mystery box

1317
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:01,360
upside of a first round pick 
wide receiver who now like 

1318
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:04,840
presumably like even in the 
worst case scenario, he's what 

1319
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:07,920
like a 60% of route sky for the 
40. 

1320
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:11,360
Niners, I would imagine 100% 
honestly, because it seems like 

1321
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:13,800
they hate Cowing or they just, 
they don't hate him, they just 

1322
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:16,040
don't think he's big enough 
'cause they like, they like 

1323
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:18,960
their wide receiver still got a 
block and cowing's so small and 

1324
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:23,880
it's so it's basically Conley. 
Chris Conley versus Ricky 

1325
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:28,319
Pearsall for the sacrificial X 
with with Debo Jennings and 

1326
01:08:28,319 --> 01:08:30,439
Kittle. 
It's like if you they don't 

1327
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:32,720
really like Conley either. 
I actually have no idea. 

1328
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:36,760
Jennings is going to play Axe 
and then I think like I, I would

1329
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:40,600
guess that Jennings plays more 
of the X role and Pearsall is 

1330
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:43,439
probably off the line a little 
bit, but I I'm not sure how 

1331
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:45,040
they'll they'll arrange it. 
I guess. 

1332
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:47,560
I guess I'm not sure either, but
I I would assume that he will be

1333
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:50,920
in there quite a bit. 
A3 wide receiver set of like 

1334
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:54,040
Ricky Pearsall, Debo Samuel and 
Jawan Jennings like doesn't make

1335
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:57,279
a ton of sense to be honest. 
So I don't know what they're. 

1336
01:08:57,279 --> 01:08:58,840
Going to do here. 
Why are you? 

1337
01:08:59,359 --> 01:09:04,120
Why are what makes more sense? 
What what who would you sub out?

1338
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:06,600
You you think Conley over 
Pearsall or Conley over? 

1339
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:09,720
Jennings No, I'm not. 
I'm not saying that I think that

1340
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:11,319
is the most likely 3 wide 
receiver set. 

1341
01:09:11,319 --> 01:09:13,479
That's what I'd project. 
I'm just saying that like from a

1342
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:16,040
skill set perspective, it's just
like a weird. 

1343
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:17,520
Group, well, they're very 
dersplicative. 

1344
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:20,200
They, they all, none of those 
guys, they're, they're, they 

1345
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:21,680
all, none of them should be 
outside. 

1346
01:09:22,319 --> 01:09:24,920
Yeah, like Jennings is like the 
most outside. 

1347
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:28,600
Like I think it's probably 
Jennings ex Debo flanker pure 

1348
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:31,080
saw in the slot, but they'll 
probably like rotate him around 

1349
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:33,760
a good bit. 
Probably probably like mix in 

1350
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:37,439
calmly for some reps at X wide 
receiver, I'd guess. 

1351
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:40,279
I don't think like Ronnie Bell 
is kind of face planted. 

1352
01:09:40,279 --> 01:09:43,359
I think he's going to be yeah, 
he's going to be tossed the side

1353
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:45,720
so that it's just it's just 
interesting. 

1354
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:46,760
Like I don't know what's going 
to happen. 

1355
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:49,720
I'm just saying that like, I 
don't know, Here's like the 

1356
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:53,319
mystery box upside of pure Saw 
is still like pretty tantalizing

1357
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:56,120
to me. 
Like just cuz he's on the 49ers 

1358
01:09:56,120 --> 01:10:00,040
versus the get being on the 
Panthers, Like it's funny. 

1359
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:03,160
I thought both of these guys 
sucked basically as prospects, 

1360
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:06,560
which is just kind of funny. 
I, I, I really liked them both. 

1361
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:08,520
I, I really like Piersol as a 
prospect. 

1362
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:12,760
Maybe I put out them higher. 
I'm kind of talking myself into 

1363
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:16,880
like we just talked about how 
all the problems with the last 

1364
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:19,440
three bets, like maybe I should 
have just put Piersol at like 7 

1365
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:20,960
ahead of. 
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. 

1366
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:22,200
Like a. 
Bunch of issues, right? 

1367
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:24,680
Like just take, just take the 
mystery box. 

1368
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:28,360
I, I guess the issue is I, I 
think the most likely scenario 

1369
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:33,040
is it we've seen this offense in
prior years when one goes out, 

1370
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:34,960
they just consulted on the other
superstars. 

1371
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:39,960
And I suspect CMC gets back that
it's just a lot of CMC Debo and 

1372
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:42,240
Kittle and not a lot of anybody 
else. 

1373
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:46,240
And especially now the Jennings 
has kind of entered the the 

1374
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:49,840
chat, so to speak. 
They probably get him involved 

1375
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:52,000
to some extent. 
So I think Pierce all's going to

1376
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:56,120
have to be like quite good to do
stuff. 

1377
01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:57,680
And I think Pearsall's pretty 
good. 

1378
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:00,280
I don't know how great he is. 
I mean, he's I think he's 

1379
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:03,400
probably certainly a guy that 
threw up with the ball in his 

1380
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:04,800
hands. 
He was a pretty decent 

1381
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:07,400
separator, did pretty well and a
lot of like the harm and stuff. 

1382
01:11:08,440 --> 01:11:11,040
I don't know how good of a deep 
separator he is, which is an 

1383
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:13,240
issue because I don't know if 
they have any deep separators. 

1384
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:15,320
He did not look particularly 
fast to me. 

1385
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:21,160
So we'll, we'll see. 
On pure salt, but I think it's 

1386
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:23,560
just the mystery box element 
that is really appealing. 

1387
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:25,040
It's a mystery box and a good 
offense. 

1388
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:27,920
Yeah, exactly. 
Yeah, Just to make sure. 

1389
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:30,000
Yeah. 
And like the I saw the same 

1390
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:32,680
things a little bit. 
Like I quickly watched all of 

1391
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:37,760
his targets on ball 22. 
It's also just like first game 

1392
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:40,480
ever against the the Chiefs 
secondary. 

1393
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:44,120
I think it's just like not an 
easy situation to look it on. 

1394
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:47,080
He's also being tossed into a 
role that he was not like they 

1395
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:50,040
they probably wanted to play him
like 10 snaps. 

1396
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:52,680
Like 10 snaps. 
Yeah, and then all of a sudden 

1397
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:54,840
he has to go out and be their 
number one wide receiver. 

1398
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:57,200
That's a really tough assignment
for rookie against the Chief. 

1399
01:11:57,200 --> 01:12:01,200
So I want to like wait a little 
bit on him before I evaluate 

1400
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:04,520
that too, too much. 
But yeah, this is probably 

1401
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:06,880
another tier break for me. 
Also. 

1402
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:08,080
Just thought this was 
interesting. 

1403
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:11,960
These like the wide receivers 
and tight ends we have listed 

1404
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:15,760
here. 
This is like all the guys that 

1405
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:18,720
went pick 33. 
Or. 

1406
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:23,080
Earlier, right, like Mcconkey 
and Coleman were what, 33 and 34

1407
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:27,560
I guess in the NFL draft and 
then it's all guy, all first 

1408
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:29,240
round wide receivers besides 
that. 

1409
01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:32,360
So maybe, maybe we're still 
biased by the draft capital, but

1410
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:35,320
I think like we can give the NFL
so. 

1411
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:38,080
The the teams are biased towards
the draft capital like all these

1412
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:40,320
guys are getting opportunities 
because they were drafted 

1413
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:42,400
highly. 
Yeah, that's true. 

1414
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:45,240
I'll also say like the second 
round wide receivers so far 

1415
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:49,560
besides Mcconkey and Coleman, I 
guess have really face, face 

1416
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:52,080
planted so. 
All time, all time deep wide 

1417
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:54,840
receiver class totally. 
Yeah, Yikes. 

1418
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:59,880
So we'll get here to #11 this 
is, oh, I did this. 

1419
01:12:59,880 --> 01:13:06,400
Weirdly, this one is, I think, a
pretty huge win for Troy 

1420
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:10,160
Franklin drafters. 
We had him as a consensus #11 

1421
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:11,640
rank here. 
He jumps a bunch of wide 

1422
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:13,400
receivers that are ranked ahead 
of him. 

1423
01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:16,200
Luke McCaffrey. 
Jillian Polk. 

1424
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:18,240
Adonai Mitchell. 
Sure. 

1425
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:19,560
There's some others I'm 
forgetting. 

1426
01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:21,040
They're in the second or third 
rounds. 

1427
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:24,200
Jalen McMillan, Roman Wilson. 
Malachi Corley. 

1428
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:26,400
God, lot of terrible third round
wide receivers. 

1429
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:28,840
Shower. 
Shower narrative remains one of 

1430
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:32,000
the most undefeated things in in
the history of football. 

1431
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:34,520
Like Bonex said, give me Troy 
Franklin. 

1432
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:37,240
They took Troy Franklin. 
The second Troy Franklin got on 

1433
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:39,520
the field, Bo Nick said, where's
my boy? 

1434
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:44,960
I'm getting my boy the ball. 
Really that simple. 

1435
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:49,800
It does feel very shower nerve 
based because I got a like I've 

1436
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:52,600
I haven't watched every snap by 
any stretch, but I've I've 

1437
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:56,240
watched bits and pieces of the 
all 22 on Franklin. 

1438
01:13:57,080 --> 01:14:02,680
I don't find him a particularly 
impressive player, or at least I

1439
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:05,800
wouldn't say that it what I've 
seen dreams. 

1440
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:08,320
To me, this is the guy who could
be targeted on 24% of his 

1441
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:14,280
routes, but he he has been the 
efficiency is also not there. 

1442
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:17,920
I I just think like I noticed 
like a pretty glaring lack of 

1443
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:20,040
attention to detail from him on 
certain plays. 

1444
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:21,920
Like we had the backdrop in the 
end zone. 

1445
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:25,000
There's some stuff where like 
he's doing a comeback down the 

1446
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:27,280
sideline. 
He's not coming back to the ball

1447
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:29,480
and it's getting he's getting 
hit by defenders, the balls 

1448
01:14:29,480 --> 01:14:31,080
coming in. 
Whereas if he actually just runs

1449
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:33,200
back under 2 yards, it's very 
easy reception. 

1450
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:36,960
So I think it's a bit of a work 
in progress, but obviously it's 

1451
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:44,080
very fast and certainly there's 
a lot of opportunity on a depth 

1452
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:48,000
chart with horrendous Pascals 
and the only one who's decent is

1453
01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:49,560
a totally different archetype to
him, so. 

1454
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:54,520
Sutton Sutton trade candidate or
no, because they are they have a

1455
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:56,080
winning. 
I think the Broncos are too good

1456
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:58,640
to be trading players. 
If you're Sean Payton, you're 

1457
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:01,520
not giving up on a season where 
you have a chance to make the 

1458
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:03,040
playoffs, probably. 
So they're very. 

1459
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:04,480
Committed to going 8 and 9, 
yeah. 

1460
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:06,320
Yeah, I didn't even draft the 
Rockin. 

1461
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:08,280
Schultz fan. 
I mean we're the most 8 and 9 

1462
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:09,280
team ever. 
I don't. 

1463
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:12,440
I don't think I even drafted 
very much Troy Franklin at all. 

1464
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:15,680
I unfortunately did. 
Yeah, well, unfortunately. 

1465
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:18,120
I mean, it might. 
Have scored Xavier Worthy. 

1466
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:20,040
You you might have backed into 
it like. 

1467
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:23,320
I'm not sure we would have seen 
this without the quote UN quote 

1468
01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:27,160
Josh Reynolds finger injury. 
Like you kind of you kind of 

1469
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:30,120
needed that for Troy Franklin. 
To you know no, you know no, 

1470
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:33,560
because there's there by virtue.
Of a Josh Reynolds finger 

1471
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:37,360
injury. 
There, there's just always ways 

1472
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:40,200
for the shower and rookies 
always play in ways that you 

1473
01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:41,800
don't expect. 
Fertility baby. 

1474
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:46,360
Yeah, yeah, this is a lot you 
wear like I remember the I 

1475
01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:49,080
remember there was a big beat 
reporter thing where it's like 

1476
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:52,840
Albright was like, why is Troy 
Franklin and drafted Mints? 

1477
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:55,960
Is it like clearly Mints ahead. 
And this is like a great example

1478
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:59,640
of then people get mad at beat 
reporters and it's like what 

1479
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:03,480
beat reporters are doing is 
they're what their use case is. 

1480
01:16:03,480 --> 01:16:05,920
They're telling you what is 
happening on a given day. 

1481
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:09,160
So like they're telling you that
on August 7th, Troy Franklin 

1482
01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:11,080
looks bad and Marvin Mints is 
playing ahead of him. 

1483
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:14,400
And I'm sure that's true. 
I highly doubt that Albright was

1484
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:16,680
just like lying about what was 
happening at practice. 

1485
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:21,240
But when wide receivers are as 
bad as Marvin Mims was in Year 

1486
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:24,480
1, what tends to happen is they 
lose their jobs. 

1487
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:27,800
And when you have reasonable 
prospects like Troy Franklin, 

1488
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:30,200
sometimes what happens is they 
wind up just getting 

1489
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:32,400
opportunities over time. 
And like, I remember putting up 

1490
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:34,600
a tweet that was like, I would 
still rather have Troy Franklin 

1491
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:38,800
and Marvin Mims, you know, even 
if that's not what the situation

1492
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:41,240
is on August 7th. 
And, you know, I don't know how 

1493
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:44,320
big the wind is going to be on 
Franklin, but like, clearly. 

1494
01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:47,400
You'd rather have him than 
absolutely dead and buried 

1495
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:50,560
Marvin Mims. 
Yeah, I, I was like, always 

1496
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:52,720
consistent on that. 
And I, I wasn't someone who, 

1497
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:54,560
like, made it a priority to 
target these guys. 

1498
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:58,280
But I ended up with 7% Franklin 
and 2% Mims. 

1499
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:02,880
So I'm pretty happy with leaning
into the rookie unknown there, 

1500
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:05,560
even though I wasn't like a huge
Troy Franklin guy. 

1501
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:07,720
We'll see. 
We'll see. 

1502
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:10,840
Like this one ultimately, like 
you, the thing you question this

1503
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:15,840
is like what is the upside of a 
Denver Broncos deep threat tied 

1504
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:18,560
to Bo Nicks? 
That's definitely questionable. 

1505
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:22,840
But for like 6, like if we 
redrafted today, he'd probably 

1506
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:27,960
be like a 13th 12th round best 
ball pick and you draft him in 

1507
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:32,640
the 20th round or whatever, like
that's that's a small win And 

1508
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:34,640
with his speed, you can spike at
the right time. 

1509
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:38,520
So yeah, not not a ton else to 
say in Troy Franklin. 

1510
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:41,560
I I also agree with Jacob. 
I don't think he looks very good

1511
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:43,760
out there, but. 
That might matter. 

1512
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:45,920
Franklin think it's interesting 
because like I didn't like his 

1513
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:49,040
college film and I and I had him
rank like pretty low relative to

1514
01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:51,640
when we thought he was going to 
go in late round one, early 

1515
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:54,040
round two. 
But you know, when he goes in 

1516
01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:55,840
round four and then he doesn't 
have any value. 

1517
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:57,440
It's like, all right, sure, 
I'll, I'll just buy the 

1518
01:17:57,440 --> 01:17:58,680
production profile at that 
point. 

1519
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:00,640
Yeah. 
All right, we'll. 

1520
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:04,120
Close with the final two guys. 
So this is the top 11. 

1521
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:07,560
We had kind of split decision on
number 12. 

1522
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:15,560
We'll reveal those here. 
I had Eric, all has #12 Jacob 

1523
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:18,480
and Davis. 
Kind of kind of facetious of 

1524
01:18:18,480 --> 01:18:20,640
you, Sam. 
You know, I don't, I don't 

1525
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:23,480
really know, man. 
It feels, feels a little thin of

1526
01:18:23,480 --> 01:18:24,960
you. 
Here's the deal, dude. 

1527
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:29,320
AD Mitchell has a very clear 
parlay to being a guy who 

1528
01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:30,760
matters in the fantasy football 
playoffs. 

1529
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:34,320
It's Anthony Richardson getting 
benched and Michael Pittman 

1530
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:36,920
junior or Josh Downs or Alec 
Pierce getting injured. 

1531
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:40,920
I promise you he's not going to 
get benched, but he might get 

1532
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:43,120
injury, yeah. 
Sure, whatever. 

1533
01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:48,760
But but yeah, that's the parlay.
Is is the parlay of just Mike 

1534
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:52,800
Kasiki getting injured and Eric 
all being a full time tight end?

1535
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:54,840
Yeah, 'cause they never, they 
never do that. 

1536
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:57,200
Who's who was the last full time
tight end for the Cincinnati 

1537
01:18:57,200 --> 01:18:58,560
Bengals. 
Can you even conjure it? 

1538
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:03,240
Tyler Cross. 
It it would have been, it would 

1539
01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:06,600
have been Eifert not not wait. 
Wait, CJCJ Uzoma? 

1540
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:07,760
Wasn't he? 
No, he. 

1541
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:09,840
Was not even close. 
Yeah, they. 

1542
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:13,120
So this is what they do. 
What if Eric all is better than 

1543
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:16,280
CJ Uzoma, Irv Smith, Tyler 
Croft? 

1544
01:19:16,440 --> 01:19:20,440
I I think they would have to 
have a legit like Cole commit. 

1545
01:19:20,440 --> 01:19:23,600
Like Cole commit line would be 
the line because what they like 

1546
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:26,240
is they like sample to be the 
pass protector. 

1547
01:19:26,480 --> 01:19:32,000
They like Kasiki to be the the 
split off the move, but they 

1548
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:35,440
also like a guy. 
So what all does all has run 

1549
01:19:35,440 --> 01:19:38,920
more routes in games they've won
and he has run more routes in 

1550
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:41,880
games they've lost. 
I don't know what that 

1551
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:44,920
delineates. 
Like I I think conceptually, 

1552
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:49,920
sure, whatever the the other 
thing is, I believe 65% of the 

1553
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:52,800
target since T Higgins has 
returned has been delivered to T

1554
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:55,080
Higgins and Jamar Chase. 
It might even be more than that.

1555
01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:58,360
The entire offense is built out 
of throwing to those two guys. 

1556
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:01,920
Sam got bailed out by that 
hamstring injury because T 

1557
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:06,720
Higgins is looking absolutely 
fantastic every single week and 

1558
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:10,040
it wasn't that early hamstring 
injury that cost him first two 

1559
01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:11,720
weeks and then he didn't do 
anything the third week. 

1560
01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:14,720
I I think he would be lighting 
the world on fire right now. 

1561
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:17,400
Yeah, the the T Higgins graphics
are going to be a lot different 

1562
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:19,680
next year. 
Sam, all I'll say is I I 

1563
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:24,880
saturated is slanderous. 
I'll say I had this on the 

1564
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:27,760
record that Davis has said this 
on your stream. 

1565
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:31,640
The T Higgins thing was a bit. 
I can show you a screenshot of 

1566
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:34,080
my exposures. 
I'll say it's been devastating 

1567
01:20:34,280 --> 01:20:38,280
to the T Higgins bit. 
But I did say multiple times I'm

1568
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:43,800
drafting T Higgins this year. 
So the bit is the bit is dead. 

1569
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:47,400
Which is T Higgins exposure. 
I can pull it up right now. 

1570
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:55,280
It's not, it's not anything 
crazy 9% OK, so I have I have 

1571
01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:58,320
23% exposure. 
Oh yeah. 

1572
01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:00,200
So I'm not saying I played it 
perfectly. 

1573
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:02,480
I'm just saying I I wasn't like 
fading him. 

1574
01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:04,120
Fair enough. 
It became. 

1575
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:07,040
It became a bit. 
Non the Rock, but yeah, that's 

1576
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:11,200
fair. 23%, yeah, I would trade 
my 9% for 23%. 

1577
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:13,440
And he, he is, he is smashing 
right now. 

1578
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:17,440
He seems motivated I guess by 
the contractor, your stuff. 

1579
01:21:17,440 --> 01:21:20,560
I think you could have argued 
that either way, but he looks 

1580
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:22,080
ready to get a. 
Back. 

1581
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:25,840
I think he's probably healthy 
because he's been injured for a 

1582
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:27,320
long time. 
Yeah, that's true. 

1583
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:30,600
Still first game back when he 
was game one off the hamstring 

1584
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:32,440
injury. 
He has out targeted Jamar Chase 

1585
01:21:32,440 --> 01:21:36,560
in every other game this season,
which I think is like a a mostly

1586
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:38,640
a Zach Taylor issue. 
But I was going to say that's 

1587
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:44,760
definitely Zach Taylor. 
Yeah, the, they're all, he's 

1588
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:47,560
like their check release tight 
end, which like, and I, I've 

1589
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:50,840
watched some of their all 
targets and like I wouldn't say 

1590
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:53,200
he's exactly carving up 
defenders. 

1591
01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:56,280
Like I would say he's, he's 
primarily blocking for half a 

1592
01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:58,440
second and then just kind of 
like ambling about. 

1593
01:21:58,440 --> 01:22:02,400
And then they, they give him a, 
a target, which is fine. 

1594
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:05,960
That's like what 50% of the 
tight end position is reliant 

1595
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:07,520
on. 
So I'm not going to knock him 

1596
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:09,640
for it. 
Yeah, that, that was my thought.

1597
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:12,960
It's like the the parlay of AD 
Mitchell. 

1598
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:15,200
Like, let's be honest, he 
probably needs one of the top 

1599
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:18,040
three wide receivers to get hurt
for him to have a meaningful 

1600
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:20,840
role, number one. 
And then #2 he kind of needs Joe

1601
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:22,640
Flacco in there instead of 
Anthony Richardson. 

1602
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:26,600
So both of them seem like thin. 
Yeah, both of them seem like 

1603
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:29,520
thin bets to me. 
I will say, like, these stats 

1604
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:33,600
are pretty insane from AD 
Mitchell. 33% targets per outrun

1605
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:37,520
is wild. 
He, he, he's like the classic 80

1606
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:40,400
Mitchell stat line these days is
like 6 routes, 3 targets. 

1607
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:43,800
That's kind of what we're 
dealing with so well. 

1608
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:47,120
He, I mean, I watched the Colts,
obviously very closely. 

1609
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:51,240
I can assure you like 180 
Mitchell is actually very good 

1610
01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:53,840
at certain things. 
So I I think it's like it's 

1611
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:55,400
picking up on some kind of 
signal. 

1612
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:58,040
It's something the least 
translatable targets Brett run 

1613
01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:00,960
ever. 
In the sense, yes, basically the

1614
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:03,640
Colts think that AD Mitchell is 
extremely talented. 

1615
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:05,640
I mean Reggie Wayne, who's their
wide receiver's coach? 

1616
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:08,080
He said he's the best separator 
in the NFL. 

1617
01:23:10,440 --> 01:23:13,160
And he like it is always. 
Michael Pittman, junior, on the 

1618
01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:15,440
other side of the locker room, 
just looking at him like. 

1619
01:23:15,440 --> 01:23:18,440
Well, Michael, the Colts 
literally have like, it's too 

1620
01:23:18,440 --> 01:23:21,560
bad that Anthony Richardson 
can't throw because the Colts 

1621
01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:23,280
just have the Packers wide 
receiver room. 

1622
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:26,560
Like Michael Pittman is Romeo 
Dobbs, Alec Pierce is Christian 

1623
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:29,800
Watson, Josh Downs is Jaden 
Reed, and Eddie Mitchell's 

1624
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:32,200
Dontavian Wicks. 
Like the the guy who's always 

1625
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:34,520
open but like is kind of a 
moron. 

1626
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:36,960
And that's the that's. 
What? 

1627
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:41,640
She's coming out of it, man. 
He's always open, but like it is

1628
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:45,240
you're never you never know if 
he's open where he's supposed to

1629
01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:48,880
be open or if he's open because 
like he sees an interesting weed

1630
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:50,440
on the field that he wants to 
run towards. 

1631
01:23:50,440 --> 01:23:54,920
Like this guy improves so many 
routes and there's been a lot of

1632
01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:58,120
throws where like it looks like 
when you just watch the game 

1633
01:23:58,120 --> 01:24:00,600
live that like the throw was 
terrible, but actually AD 

1634
01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:03,400
Mitchell just ran somewhere 
because he felt like it. 

1635
01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:05,640
And like it's clear that he was 
not going to where he was 

1636
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:07,680
supposed to. 
Like he had one where it's like 

1637
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:09,840
he was supposed to just run a 
hitch, but then he was like, 

1638
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:13,280
I'll make this a double move. 
It's like then the throw is way 

1639
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:16,360
off into a pick. 
So I think basically they, the 

1640
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:19,920
way they look at AD is like if 
they want to call a play where 

1641
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:22,520
he's the first reading the 
progression, he's on the field. 

1642
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:25,240
If they don't think that the 
ball's going to come to him, 

1643
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:27,720
he's such a liability. 
They'd rather have literally 

1644
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:29,440
anyone else on the field at that
time. 

1645
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:32,920
But they might not have a choice
if they get someone injured. 

1646
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:36,040
And like Michael Pittman goes 
out every week and then they 

1647
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:38,920
interview him and he's like, 
look, I wouldn't rule out IR. 

1648
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:41,080
So yeah, that's like, yeah, 
there's. 

1649
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:43,640
A possibility of this back. 
What's going, what's going on 

1650
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:46,520
there with Michael Pittman? 
That's the interviews from him 

1651
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:49,840
have been crazy. 
He's like, he's like, I'm going 

1652
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:52,440
to keep playing, but also I 
might have to go under reserve. 

1653
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:54,720
So it's. 
Honestly, shout out to him, 

1654
01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:56,840
dude, shout out to him. 
He's got some. 

1655
01:24:56,840 --> 01:24:59,680
He's got some dog in him. 
Yeah, he's got some dog, Junior.

1656
01:25:00,480 --> 01:25:04,200
All right, Jacob, we, we got to 
get out of here soon. 

1657
01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:06,720
You're, you're allegedly a 
lawyer with the day job. 

1658
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:08,000
So we got to get you out of 
here. 

1659
01:25:08,160 --> 01:25:10,600
Gotta get for that. 
I, I wanted to say really 

1660
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:14,760
quickly, just a couple like 
honorable mentions here, Jordan,

1661
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:18,120
Jordan Whittington, if you could
project him for like routes, 

1662
01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:21,200
once Kopp and Puka come back, he
would be in the conversation. 

1663
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:23,400
It's Joker, dude. 
He's going back behind DeMarcus 

1664
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:26,640
Robinson and like. 
Now that's exactly what I'm 

1665
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:28,720
saying. 
It's so tilted by the bullshit 

1666
01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:30,960
yesterday like why? 
I'm Sean Mcvacon. 

1667
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:34,120
Need a bit. 0 snaps like Davis 
and I played him in the flax on 

1668
01:25:34,120 --> 01:25:37,480
our prime Time Team and brutal. 
So aggravating. 

1669
01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:44,680
Yeah, but I again just last week
aside his per route stats have 

1670
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:46,000
been really good. 
And I thought actually when he's

1671
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:50,040
been asked to run routes, he's 
been like more a diversified of 

1672
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:51,880
a route runner than people give 
him credit for. 

1673
01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:56,040
And then besides that, I I 
didn't have really, I mean, 

1674
01:25:56,200 --> 01:26:05,400
Jalen McMillan, Pretty Jover, 
Jalen Polk, Jover 0.4 dude, it 

1675
01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:10,640
come on man. 
He's putting up Marquez Valdes 

1676
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:12,880
statling numbers. 
That's so. 

1677
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:17,680
Bad Yeah. 
Like I honestly like I, I would 

1678
01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:21,640
take like guys like Jalen Coker,
Bob Means, like Jatavian 

1679
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:25,680
Sanders, Devon Vailey, like. 
One of my one of my worst 

1680
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:28,800
opinions is that I kind of think
Spencer Rattler can play and I 

1681
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:30,680
was kind of intrigued by Bob 
Means. 

1682
01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:34,520
I, I had Bob Means as my number 
12 on the first draft of this. 

1683
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:36,920
And then I, I put Edie Mitchell 
on there. 

1684
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:38,760
I mean, he's. 
Yeah, Shaheed. 

1685
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:41,720
Shaheed's out for the season, 
too, so we're going to see him. 

1686
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:46,240
Mccole, Mccole Hardman Mccole 
Hardman or Jalen Polk rest the 

1687
01:26:46,240 --> 01:26:51,160
season. 
Dude, like was that, was that 

1688
01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:53,360
the worst game a wide receiver's
ever played? 

1689
01:26:55,240 --> 01:26:57,800
Dude, I'm. 
He he got, he got concussed at 

1690
01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:04,080
the end of it, apparently. 
Cherry on top, like, I mean it, 

1691
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:06,760
it was like he couldn't come 
back for the ball on the 1. 

1692
01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:09,400
He dropped another one. 
He fell down on the two point 

1693
01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:13,080
conversion, which meant that 
Kurt Warner had to like loudly 

1694
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:15,160
be wrong on Twitter for the next
24 hours. 

1695
01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:17,360
Like I, I just, the whole thing 
was terrible. 

1696
01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:20,520
Yeah, I've said this before. 
I'll say it again. 

1697
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:23,200
As a Patriots fan, I'm not sure 
we're ever going to live down 

1698
01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:26,120
the Jalen Polk over adenine. 
Not that Adenine Mitchell has 

1699
01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:31,880
been some like undisputed smash,
but that pick just seems so bad 

1700
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:34,120
in retrospect. 
Even though I can, lad. 

1701
01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:36,240
Mcconkey. 
Instead of trading out. 

1702
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:39,160
Oh, yeah, that's true too. 
Fuck, I didn't even realize you 

1703
01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:41,760
could have done that. 
All right, Patriots swatter 

1704
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:43,440
supers going to remain horrible 
forever. 

1705
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:46,640
Let's get out of here. 
Jacob, anything you want to tell

1706
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:48,840
people about? 
Again, thanks for doing this 

1707
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:51,280
last minute. 
This was this was great to get 

1708
01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:53,240
your insights on these players. 
But yeah, what do you want to 

1709
01:27:53,240 --> 01:27:55,880
tell the people about, if 
anything? 

1710
01:27:56,640 --> 01:28:00,760
Yeah, I'll have the Part 1 of 
the Hitchhikers guide, the recap

1711
01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:05,480
column out tomorrow morning. 
As always, I'll have the dynasty

1712
01:28:05,480 --> 01:28:07,760
rank update midweek, another one
mid season. 

1713
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:10,400
I've shifted to biweekly 
updates, so this this will be an

1714
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:14,880
update week. 
And then I did a column last 

1715
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:18,360
year on tearing down dynasty 
teams at the midpoint of the 

1716
01:28:18,360 --> 01:28:19,760
season. 
I'm going to make a couple of 

1717
01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:22,720
updates to last year's column 
and then rerun that for Subs 

1718
01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:26,040
this week and you can check me 
out anytime. 

1719
01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:29,280
If you want dynasty analysis, we
do dynasty points every Tuesday 

1720
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:32,960
Night Live on Fantasy Points 
Podcast Network so you can check

1721
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:34,720
that out. 
Awesome. 

1722
01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:37,400
And Davis, you got a stream 
right after this, right? 

1723
01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:42,520
Yeah, like literally the moment 
this ends, we're we're starting 

1724
01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:45,560
it with with Mr. Coach speaking 
this Greg Brean else he's he's 

1725
01:28:45,560 --> 01:28:47,280
sitting there looking at me in 
the other stream yard window. 

1726
01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:48,440
Oh. 
OK. 

1727
01:28:48,480 --> 01:28:49,880
Sorry, Greg. 
We'll get out of here. 

1728
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:52,440
See you guys all next Monday. 
Bye.