1 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:14,360 It just kept spinning out. It's still spinning are. 2 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,680 We better off like sort of dumping and rejoining maybe. 3 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,360 Maybe. It's probably, it's probably my 4 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:34,280 fault. It's probably my connection. 5 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:38,080 Oh, we're live. Hi from Grand Island, NY between 6 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:40,880 Buffalo and Niagara Falls. First laps in the books. 7 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,040 I'll take it. Get it back to the back door. 8 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,120 Chilly today, but sunny. Sunny in New York State for more 9 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,200 than one reason. Underdog is back as of last 10 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,200 Thursday night. I was not that I would know 11 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:57,360 anything, but not expecting that realized immediately, not on my 12 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:59,440 game. We're working on that here in 13 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:03,400 the last just less than a week. Of course, Basketball Mania 14 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,520 season on Underdog well underway now that we've had the schedule 15 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:11,160 for a week, which stacks are optimal, which are tough. 16 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:13,680 I've got a couple of guys that I'm having a tough time with, 17 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:17,040 which are maybe too easy, could be more, you know, too popular. 18 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,440 We'll, we will talk to the experts, our heroes. 19 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,000 Pat, Corinne Davis Maddock, Jacob Sanderson. 20 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:23,600 Here we go. ADP chasing. 21 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,280 I'm Mike Shope. It is May 20th, 2025. 22 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,840 In Underdog Best Ball, ADP is set by two separate yet equally 23 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,640 important groups. Streamers that set the market 24 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,760 and the slappies that chase it. These are their stories. 25 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:01,440 Hey guys, you want to play a game? 26 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:07,120 One SEC, yeah. Been cleaning out my basement. 27 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:12,960 I found this now. Apparently it's this one. 28 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,760 This one. Can you tell us what that is for 29 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:17,440 the audio listeners? They need to be serviced. 30 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,560 Thank you. Yes, I appreciate that reminder. 31 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:25,680 Madden 98, it's in the game. It's only one disc is it is in 32 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:27,000 the. Box A Sports. 33 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,560 It's in the game. We've got this for those 34 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,040 inclined to play NHL 96 instead. Wow. 35 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,040 Hell yes. I don't know if I've told you to 36 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:40,920 show up, but I I grew up playing NHL 95 on my dad's Sega Genesis 37 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:46,720 and that that game absolutely ruled. 94 I think was my first. 38 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:48,240 It might have been the first, I don't know. 39 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,080 That's three games on that Genesis. 40 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:55,320 There's NHL 95 Jack Nicholas Power Challenge, which was a 41 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:59,120 golf game far predating the Tiger Woods series, and then the 42 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,840 original Sonic the Hedgehog, of course, that you couldn't save. 43 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,360 So like, if you wanted to beat the whole game, you just had to 44 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,920 play it all day long. There was no save function. 45 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,640 That's that's a wrench in things right there, yeah. 46 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:12,840 Yeah. Do you guys remember? 47 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,120 No, maybe not. Maybe this is too far to go. 48 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,640 Do you remember the game Lakers versus Celtics? 49 00:03:19,920 --> 00:03:22,360 No, that was my first. Familiar with those two teams, 50 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:26,120 but. Yeah, one of them especially one 51 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:30,640 just sort of maybe my only NBA game I've really loved and it 52 00:03:30,640 --> 00:03:34,000 would have had maybe six other teams in it back in the days 53 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:35,880 were at the arcade. They would have that one 54 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:37,800 baseball game. It would just be the the one 55 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:42,160 that is that Sega that they did the remake of the 10th inning of 56 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,200 the 86 World Series Mets Red Sox. 57 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,200 That's amazing. Like you just have sort of the 58 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,960 three letter name of the team Texas, Boston, whatever going 59 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:55,240 too far back now I think. But Jacob, if I may just 60 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,920 satisfy, satisfy the puck chasing quota quickly. 61 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:00,000 What do you? What do you? 62 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,000 What are your thoughts on Marner? 63 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:04,880 Mitch Marner, star player for the Leafs. 64 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,400 They don't come through in the playoffs again headed for free 65 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:08,640 agency. Like they didn't. 66 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:09,720 I was. I wasn't aware. 67 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:11,840 Yeah, sorry to. Break I I like the Trump. 68 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,240 I'm like, oh, I, I I just found out about that. 69 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:22,400 What a brutal game, Jacob. Yeah, I didn't. 70 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,600 I didn't enjoy it. It wasn't fun. 71 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,760 Yeah, Yeah, it was. It was definitely like the 72 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:30,880 worst. It was like up there in the 73 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:32,880 worst three hours of my life. Like I don't know if you guys 74 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:34,720 know, but I was there. So it. 75 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,960 Was you were there? Yeah, You didn't know that. 76 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:38,880 Yeah, it was. It was. 77 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:40,720 It was horrific. I didn't throw my jersey on the 78 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:46,120 ice so that, you know, I kept my jersey off my purse and at all 79 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,200 times I wasn't wasn't prosecuted to the full extent of the law. 80 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:52,320 To answer your answer your specific question on Marner, 81 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,080 like I don't know my my take on Marner. 82 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:57,200 Like I don't think is popular among Leafs fans. 83 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:59,920 Like most leaf fans think that by getting rid of him and 84 00:04:59,920 --> 00:05:02,080 getting nothing returned magically all of our problems 85 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,800 will be solved. I don't. 86 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,440 I think that we should have tried to trade him two years ago 87 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,200 when he didn't have a no movement clause, and I think 88 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,640 that Dubis would have traded him two years ago, but Shanahan 89 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,320 didn't want to, so he fired Carl Dubis and gave Troll Living a 90 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,040 mandate to keep the Core 4 together. 91 00:05:17,840 --> 00:05:20,440 Then we tried to do the deal at the deadline this year for 92 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,880 Renton, which would have been fantastic if we had done it. 93 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,560 I don't really blame him for not treating as no movement clause. 94 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,520 He negotiated it. His wife was seven months 95 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:30,080 pregnant. I can see why he didn't want to 96 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:31,600 move with a seven months pregnant wife. 97 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:33,680 I don't think that makes him like a horrible villain. 98 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:39,040 I would gladly resign him at this point because the other 99 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,800 option is like probably trying to replace him in the aggregate 100 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,520 by signing two $7,000,000 players who are are probably 101 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,720 very unlikely to be as good as him combined. 102 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,640 But I don't think that's what's going to happen. 103 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:51,960 I think. I think it's probably all sides 104 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,080 are moving on and it's just a matter of how incompetently we 105 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,880 spend spend the cap space that it gives us, probably pretty 106 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:02,760 incompetently. Your sports life is not too 107 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,840 dissimilar to mine in Buffalo. The Bills and the Sabres 108 00:06:05,840 --> 00:06:09,200 forever, no championships. You do have the Manning year, I 109 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:14,240 mean the Manning era, which was great, and the Celtics, but 110 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:18,160 thinking about Leafs, even Vancouver, Winnipeg, if that's 111 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,080 appropriate, I don't know. It's like you sort of, you know 112 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,400 the, you know the taste. Apparently means nothing to me 113 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,240 that I have no attachment in the Vancouver teams. 114 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,880 I the Winnipeg Blue Bombers were, have been, you know, 115 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,000 they've been 55 strict rate caps and they've only won two of 116 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:35,160 them. So that's been nice. 117 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,800 But right, you know the test I want to get. 118 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:38,840 You have this topic I want to get. 119 00:06:39,280 --> 00:06:41,600 The You have this Celtics. Yeah, that's been going well 120 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,600 lately. Although yes, I did get two 121 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,840 titles out of that in my life so can't can't complain. 122 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:47,640 I should have really complain the Celtics. 123 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,040 Pat your thoughts on the Marner conundrum? 124 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,520 I mean, Speaking of hockey, I wish I had some hockey 125 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,840 projections to to fiddle with while that happened. 126 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,880 When will legendary upsides start diving into hockey? 127 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:05,400 I never tried meditating until just now. 128 00:07:07,840 --> 00:07:12,600 You'll have all the answers now. That's well. 129 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,880 To sleep. You know, it's a good test for 130 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:21,040 Pat underdog. So Thursday I get home from work 131 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,680 there it is the tweet we're back in New York. 132 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,600 I don't follow like the legal side of things, but I didn't 133 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,200 think that was likely. But it happened and then I 134 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:33,000 realized I was way out of shape would not did not even have the 135 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,320 the courage for like a fast draft. 136 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:39,040 I just did 20 slows. We'll we'll take this slowly 137 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,040 literally. And I don't know, Pat, like what 138 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:46,240 what is your overview so far a week from the schedule about how 139 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,840 this year is, how it compares with other years? 140 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,200 Is it more challenging, you know, building teams the way you 141 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:56,120 want or not? In some ways, it's a lot like 142 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,120 last year where the wide receivers are still really 143 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:02,080 expensive. And so I think it's like 144 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:07,040 creating similar sort of, you know, like last year the running 145 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:08,920 backs were a bit better than we expected. 146 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,600 And then how much of that is because some of them stayed a 147 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:17,560 little healthier versus the pricing kind of changing the way 148 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:19,600 we want to build teams. So a bit. 149 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,840 And that's kind of the the question I'm wrestling with. 150 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:27,280 I one thing that's tricky for me is if you don't start with 151 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:33,799 receivers early, like like first round early, it can be you feel 152 00:08:33,799 --> 00:08:38,679 like, well, I don't like, I just a weaker team now. 153 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:41,840 You know, it's tough to, as much as I do like some of the running 154 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,760 backs in the first round, I tend to be a little comfortable when 155 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:50,320 I go receiver because there are kind of running back 156 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,680 opportunities. And then if you look at like the 157 00:08:52,680 --> 00:08:56,240 dead zone, you know, like where we expect kind of these these 158 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,480 profiles not to be very good. There's some profiles I think 159 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:03,800 are OK from the veterans, but then also there's like RJ Harvey 160 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,760 and Trayvon Henderson. Quintron Judkins is on the 6th 161 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:08,720 round. So the strength of the rookie 162 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,920 class is the running backs. And we know even from, you know, 163 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,520 when Ben Gretch was writing about the, the dead zone in 164 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:19,680 2019, even then he's like, well, if there's actually upside 165 00:09:19,680 --> 00:09:21,240 profiles here, we want to take them. 166 00:09:21,680 --> 00:09:26,160 And so we were getting, we're getting that this year as part 167 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,520 of the reduced pricing at at the running back position that is 168 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,520 kind of maintained even after last year's running back 169 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:35,840 success. Davis, your thoughts on that, by 170 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:40,080 the way, you want to explain your your situation? 171 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:44,520 So my my power went out. No idea why there were tornadoes 172 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:46,520 last week. My power's been fine. 173 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,920 I was right in the middle of a end game syndicate round table 174 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,200 an hour ago and my power just popped out. 175 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:58,160 So I am on the the hotspot from my phone right now powering 176 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,520 through. My thoughts on that are Hayden 177 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:04,800 Winks always does this great research, both, you know, back 178 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,000 looking descriptive data and predictive data. 179 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,240 And the golden rule has been you need 4 wide receivers at the end 180 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,520 of the seventh round. And last year the optimal number 181 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:15,560 of wide receivers to have drafted at the end of the 182 00:10:15,560 --> 00:10:18,440 seventh round was 0. You were you were better off 183 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:22,960 having had having had zero wide receivers at the end of seven 184 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,240 rounds. And that includes Jamar Chase's 185 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,920 legendary season, right? You were still better on average 186 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:32,840 to have selected a running back, quarterback or tight end in all 187 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:34,920 of those rounds instead of a wide receiver. 188 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,960 And you do see that creeping into people's draft strategies, 189 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,520 right? Joe Mixon Classic would have 190 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:45,280 been an eighth round pick before a 29 year old guy who got her 191 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:47,360 bad offensive line. He's a fifth round pick. 192 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,280 Frankly, I think you even see the thirst with Quin, Shawn 193 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,920 Judkins, an early down grinder on a bad team in the sixth 194 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:55,520 round. I think you see it with Harvey. 195 00:10:56,240 --> 00:11:01,040 Old old US would have like Harvey would have been oh what 196 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,840 like an upside dart in a backfield with Estimae and 197 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:08,840 Jaleel in in round date. No immediate fifth round pick 198 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,480 type stuff. Weirdly, I think the biggest 199 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,920 discounts relative to what I expected the market to have done 200 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:19,080 are Jonathan Taylor and Josh Jacobs. 201 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,880 I I believe that I believe that. I don't think that's weird. 202 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:25,440 They would be first round fixed. I, I don't think that's weird 203 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:31,320 because the, you know, the wide receiver heavy market from last 204 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,920 year was a, a creation by the Slappies. 205 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,120 And now the Slappies have been told, you know, that they have 206 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:41,680 to, to draft more running backs. And the Slappies have said, OK, 207 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:44,080 but we're going to do it with slappy running backs. 208 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,800 So, so the Slappies are like, we're, I have to draft the 209 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,040 running back. Like I will draft RJ Harvey. 210 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,280 I guess I will draft whatever. But like there's, they're not 211 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,200 going to make us draft Josh Jacobs and Jonathan Taylor. 212 00:11:56,200 --> 00:12:02,600 So we will, we will do it, but we will do it on our terms, I 213 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,080 want to say. I'd give the market a little 214 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,360 more credit than I mean, I think, I don't think Josh Jacobs 215 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,800 and Jonathan Taylor are first round type of profiles. 216 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:14,080 I mean, these, these are the, these are the first round 217 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:18,880 profiles that made running backs not go in the first round like 218 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:20,520 they used to. Like these, these are the guys 219 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,280 to avoid at that type of price tag. 220 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:27,040 And so you're getting a discount that I think is warranted. 221 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,920 I think they're both pretty efficiently priced here, but 222 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:34,840 like I was just pulling up FFPCFFPC is Jonathan Taylor at 223 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,760 pick 21 and Josh Jacobs at pick 23. 224 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,080 And those guys have never been accused of not like the running 225 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:43,280 backs. So I think that, you know, the, 226 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,600 the, that market has been influenced by the kind of the, 227 00:12:45,680 --> 00:12:48,000 the, the rising wide receiver prices and the following running 228 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,560 back prices as well, but not to the same extent. 229 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:55,320 And like they have RJ Harvey at pick 58. 230 00:12:55,880 --> 00:13:00,040 So Harvey I actually do think like because of the opportunity 231 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:05,720 in front of him, the I feel like in in 2020 he would be, maybe 232 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,600 he'd be 1/6 rounder, but I don't think he's like actually that 233 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,240 crazy to be in the 5th. You're getting an upside in the 234 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,560 opportunity. To be clear what I'm saying, the 235 00:13:13,560 --> 00:13:16,320 slappies are X. I'm just describing what I think 236 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:17,560 is the appropriate. For sure. 237 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,320 OK guy, I I am. The slap call is coming from 238 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:22,280 inside. The house. 239 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,360 So like, I'm not, I'm not mocking the slappies, I'm I'm 240 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,840 just describing my process. Thank you. 241 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:32,640 That could that could be a slogan for this show. 242 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:34,640 Actually, I'm I'm not. Mocking, not mocking the 243 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:39,680 slappies driving. My process, but the I don't 244 00:13:39,680 --> 00:13:42,120 know, I, I think I wish that it was a bigger overcorrection, 245 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:44,240 frankly, because I, I do. Think yeah, me too. 246 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:49,160 I I think two things. One is that like the no wide 247 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:52,360 receivers for seven being optimal is like not true. 248 00:13:52,680 --> 00:13:56,040 I don't, I don't care if that's like what it says over the 249 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:59,440 course of like how that is done. The, the optimal thing 250 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,840 ultimately in this contest is like not tied at all to like 251 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,640 what your points of a replacement are over a 17 week 252 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:07,040 period. It's what you're able to do 253 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:10,600 within playoff weeks. And that relies on having an 254 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,960 opportunity to generate sealing at all four of the positional 255 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:17,200 groups. So I, I, I completely reject 256 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:18,880 that. Like we should be using season 257 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,360 long points above replacement to evaluate basketball strategies 258 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,840 in the 1st place. I, I think that it is describing 259 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,080 something that's not the actual game we're trying to play. 260 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,720 And so you need to be able to generate position, generate 261 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,280 ceiling simultaneously at all four positions. 262 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:38,640 The reason why we were willing to sacrifice projected points in 263 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:42,120 the 1st place by deferring some of these running back points is 264 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:47,760 it there is tends to be a more predictable projectable path to 265 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:49,920 running back ceiling from late round picks because of 266 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,040 contingency. When you're getting ceiling from 267 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,520 late wide receiver picks, more often than not that's randomly 268 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:57,040 distributed. You're usually not walking into 269 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,960 a week looking at your DraftKings projections and 270 00:14:59,960 --> 00:15:03,720 saying oh that this player that I got in the 15th round is $7200 271 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:09,640 on DraftKings today. So I, I, I think even if you 272 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,880 take away sort of the zero RB lean of that, you want to remain 273 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:16,840 to some extent balanced in that you, you have to generate 274 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:18,120 ceiling at the wide receiver position. 275 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,920 You have to start three of them. So if you just ignore them for 276 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:22,920 eternity, I, I think you're going to really struggle to do 277 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:25,760 that in three individual playoff weeks. 278 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,400 And then so, yeah. And the other aspect is, is the, 279 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:31,640 the injuries and, and some of the stuff last year that I think 280 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,000 was somewhat random. So, yeah, I wish that we were 281 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,160 like right back to the 2021 economy and, and we could just 282 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:43,080 go, you know, 0 RV through it. But but no, I, I don't know. 283 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,240 I, I would say that I think this, this economy is reasonably 284 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:50,160 efficient and I've probably been drafting a variety of teams 285 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,040 based on what the room asks me to do. 286 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:55,240 Like I I haven't been looking at this year's economy going. 287 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:59,680 I need to draft 80% zero RB teams or 80% robust RB teams or 288 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:01,480 anything like that. It really does depend on the 289 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:06,080 room, but I mean I think you can go like 0 RB. 290 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:10,160 The definition is, is kind of, you know, up for debate, but I 291 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,640 think you can easily. Sean didn't even win with his 292 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:13,840 zero RB team. Dude. 293 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,440 Jamal Charles was on it, bro You don't. 294 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:19,440 Even know Matt. Matt tilt people power. 295 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,040 Are you here? The power is on at Davis's 296 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:23,760 house, I think. I'm pretty sure he's back. 297 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,520 It's good. Good to see it's it's not I'm 298 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:31,080 still on my phone. But like 4/4 four straight non 299 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,720 running backs, even 5, I think is is pretty pretty solid. 300 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:38,160 It's just that like I'm hitting I'm hitting running back more in 301 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:42,040 like rounds 4-5 and six. Then I'm then like feels right. 302 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:46,920 But it's but the prices all change like you know, it's the 303 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:51,320 profiles that are dead zone, not the rounds. 100%, yeah. 304 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:56,080 James Conner is a probably just a better pick than Jerry Judy, 305 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,240 right? And like old slap version of 306 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,320 yourself would be Judy can't get buried by the avalanche. 307 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,080 But like sometimes you got to just take the points. 308 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,560 I think that's right. Our first slide of the day, 309 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:11,319 thank you Zach, is the schedule. I very much enjoyed ship chasing 310 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:15,640 Thursday with the mnemonic not a word I've seen or said in a long 311 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:20,280 time devices for each game. Pete was coming with some my my 312 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:22,480 review. Pete was coming with some, you 313 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:26,960 know, alpha Galaxy brain sort of ideas and the chat was on board. 314 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,920 And then you had Pat Pat was like this is a rematch from week 315 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:34,560 16 or something, sort of like very at a linear and Davis at 316 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,720 one point said I'm not good at this this Thursday. 317 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:40,680 So it was definitely fun to watch. 318 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:42,920 At all. Some of these are just like the 319 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:46,200 South Florida Bowl, and then the others are just like entirely 320 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,560 ridiculous, like things that are so. 321 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:51,720 I I've. Duval, all the consourses. 322 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:53,720 Sure, I got it. Yeah, yeah. 323 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,320 I've done this for few years. I think you want that. 324 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:00,360 You want some mix of like, you know, South Florida Bowl, easy 325 00:18:00,360 --> 00:18:03,520 to remember. And then you've got, you know, 326 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,680 Cowboys versus commies, like, you know, just easy ones. 327 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:11,200 But then you have ones that like either give you a a picture in 328 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:16,280 your mind or, you know, just stick in your ear like Duval the 329 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:20,160 King's horses. It's, it's insane. 330 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:21,280 It's. In my mind now. 331 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:25,440 Why did why did Laird not make the graphic for Timmy Bay Miami? 332 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:29,400 I, I'm, I'm truly disappointed in in the chasers, it's the 333 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,320 Laird Bowl. Yeah, yeah. 334 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,600 I'm never going to do better than just remembering the teams 335 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,760 next to each other. Tampa Bay, Miami is the only way 336 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:38,880 I'm going to be able to remember it. 337 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,760 It's it's really it's. Not helpful to to have that, 338 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,040 that like kind of go to even as a secondary thing. 339 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:49,200 No, and I don't know why. I don't know why, but for me 340 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,800 it's just linking the it's the letters like this. 341 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,000 It'd be linking the teams together, Steelers, Browns. 342 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,480 I mean, that's I'm going to have to, I'm going to have to get 343 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,840 home with that. If you're struggling, if you're 344 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:02,080 like, what? What is that one? 345 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,360 Do you think about, oh, the turd bowl? 346 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,760 You know, Brown's turd, Aaron Rodgers Turd bowl? 347 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,560 I would never but I I like the graphics the. 348 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:12,920 Graphics. I do, too. 349 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:16,640 That's Zach Landers once again. I'm so hungry right now. 350 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:17,440 Get that? Philly. 351 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,760 Buffalo One. I know it's good, right? 352 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,600 4/25 Sunday. Christmas week I'm actually 353 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:27,080 starving because last night I I flew home from Toronto and then 354 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:32,240 I I doordashed some dinner, but I had been at my friend's place 355 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,000 two nights prior and I forgot to change the address so I just 356 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,200 doordashed passed it to my friend and then I just starved 357 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,600 all night. So I really want those blowings. 358 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:45,040 We do have a mixture of, we do have a mixture of some of the 359 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,800 ones you guys came up with on Thursday and some new 360 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,000 contributions. So very nice. 361 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:55,240 Honestly the best ones were listener or discord submissions. 362 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:59,000 Call of Duty, Excellent. Yeah, that's. 363 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:01,320 Good, also known as Cardinals, Bengals. 364 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,480 Drake's Drake's on a plane that was from the leg up discord like 365 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:07,520 last minute. Like we were like all set, 366 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,160 everything's gone. And then I I messaged Zach and I 367 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,280 was like, we got to change the fats. 368 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:16,200 Drake's on the plane is so good. That one I will remember. 369 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:17,640 That's so good, I'm going to remember it. 370 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,000 Call of Duty I, I have seen some people not getting it. 371 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,440 It's obviously T Higgins. Kyler plays Call of Duty and T 372 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,280 Higgins plays for the Bengals. Yeah. 373 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,280 Tyler plays like way too much Call of Duty. 374 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,720 Like they tracked his performance against the Call of 375 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:33,280 Duty release schedule and it goes down. 376 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,560 It's too much of A path for me. For some, like even the plain 1 377 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:37,920 is OK. That's The Jets. 378 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:42,080 That's why OK, it's a movie. Yes, there's a movie and it's a 379 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,200 plane's a jet. Well, that happens. 380 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:45,560 Drake, it's. Drake. 381 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:48,880 I got it. I got it. 382 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:50,280 That's it. You don't got to like, think 383 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,040 about Sam Jackson's IMDb page. You know, you're you're going 384 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,960 too far to Jackson. No, that's still more like, how 385 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,920 about this idea, Patriots Jets? How about this idea? 386 00:20:59,120 --> 00:21:03,120 I think it's I don't like, I don't understand how your brain 387 00:21:03,120 --> 00:21:04,120 works. Don't treat. 388 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,560 Jets to help you remember. That like that's really good 389 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,440 remembering stuff show I think that might be the problem. 390 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:15,480 I don't know, maybe I'm good at it, maybe I'm bad at it. 391 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,800 Dice, Dice and darts is is the one that I remember the most for 392 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,520 whatever reason. That's a good one. 393 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:23,440 I mean, it's just, it's just really good. 394 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,040 Yeah. Dice and darts. 395 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,000 That's the Giants and the Raiders. 396 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,720 All right. Dice is Vegas Darts. 397 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:32,320 Yeah, OK. Sure. 398 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,240 I get it. Can we do everyone? 399 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:37,680 I'm not going to get tired of this. 400 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,240 I feel like the tuba. How about Hawk tuba? 401 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:46,400 What do you think about that? I like that one. 402 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,760 Yeah, I like that one. OK, that one just clicks for 403 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,000 you. Also there was a Seattle 404 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,920 Carolina playoff game that Carolina got up 42 to nothing a 405 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,960 few years ago and and held on to win so. 406 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:58,480 You're just too good at remembering stuff. 407 00:21:58,480 --> 00:21:59,280 I. Don't know there was. 408 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:03,440 Also there was also one in Seattle a little bit before that 409 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,400 Cam through like a back breaking pick sex. 410 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,240 What about sun gods? That took me a long time to 411 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,760 figure out. That that I knew because I 412 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,680 remember like, I can't remember what podcast we were on recently 413 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:16,800 when I realized that every player on these two teams. 414 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:22,000 Every player has the the Nordic or the the Scandinavian ending 415 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:23,840 to their name. Yeah. 416 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,160 So Justin Jefferson. Hawkinson. 417 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,520 Jefferson Hawkinson, Addison. That's the Vikings. 418 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,000 Hutchinson. Has the sun God? 419 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,360 Jameson. Jameson, Yeah. 420 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:42,720 Oh, here we go on him. Oh God, I can't do this with 421 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,840 these guys. Who someone had a good someone 422 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,880 had a good comment to one of my tweets this week that said 423 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,440 actually people don't know this little known fact, but Ben 424 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,680 Johnson Leven actually makes Jameson Williams slower. 425 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:54,800 It actually adds 1/10 of a second. 426 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:56,640 To a 40. Time. 427 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:58,280 Oh well, in that case I'm more into him. 428 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,080 So, Ben. Jordan. 429 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,440 Jordan Mason. Also a little run around. 430 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:07,720 Ben Johnson, Who's on the Bears? So who was The Who was the game? 431 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,960 The Bears and the Lions. No. 432 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,400 Come on, you guys. Come on, John Norton. 433 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,440 That one, that one hit for me immediately because they all 434 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:23,280 have the same suffix to their to their last name. 435 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:24,760 Detroit. Jefferson, Addison. 436 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,000 Hawkinson, Mason. Yeah. 437 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:28,960 That's still the one team. Yeah, that's. 438 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:30,920 Still one, but the other one's name. 439 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,080 Means sun God. Yeah, OK. 440 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,400 He's not buying it. I I got it not. 441 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,760 Buying it? Just Detroit, Minnesota. 442 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,480 Have you guys just considered remembering Detroit at 443 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:45,800 Minnesota? That's what I'm saying about. 444 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:46,800 That's right. Have you just thought about 445 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,680 that? I want to be honest, I don't 446 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,760 think I'm going to have any difficulty remembering Detroit 447 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,840 and Minnesota given it's like going to have a total of 54 and 448 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:54,960 being a dough. I think that. 449 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:56,600 One. I bet, I bet it'll be higher. 450 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,840 I bet, I bet by week 17 this this will be the highest totaled 451 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,400 regular season game in NFL history. 452 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,160 This will it'll be, it'll be 56 and a half 57. 453 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,320 Yeah, like that one's not going to be a struggle for me. 454 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,240 The ones that are tough are always like, oh, I took a brown 455 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:11,880 by accident. Like who do they play? 456 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,360 That's that's like the tougher part for sure. 457 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,040 What about bow and arrow show? Science. 458 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,280 Good. Yeah, I'm, I'm gonna, I'm gonna 459 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,000 sit around and try to lock in my mind. 460 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,960 Tenix gets horny and remember that what that means. 461 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,600 And I feel like that one sticks in your mind. 462 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,240 Yeah, let's hope it doesn't. That's also a really That's some 463 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,200 good graphic work. That one that that one was mine 464 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:37,880 after I kind of we had a Penix Penix staph infection, I think. 465 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,400 And and I was like that, but it's got to be a little bit 466 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,400 better. So I went to, I went with Tenix 467 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:44,560 like. If this in the early stages, we 468 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,400 would have just called that the Raheem Morris Bowl. 469 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,880 But I really love that you you've gone further into into 470 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,680 things that are are just completely. 471 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:59,320 Big big dog in the frozen tundra is better than Ravens. 472 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:04,000 Packers on Peacock probably. On Saturday night, probably. 473 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,000 See. Look, you're just too good at 474 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:06,480 remembering, you know, I'm. Not. 475 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:07,560 I'm not. I'm not bragging. 476 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,800 I'm not bragging. I'm just trying to if. 477 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,160 You already have like every piece of information in your 478 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,120 brain. You don't need the big dog in 479 00:25:16,120 --> 00:25:17,320 the frozen tundra. We're trying to. 480 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,120 We're trying to use mnemonics to get that information to stick in 481 00:25:20,120 --> 00:25:22,200 our brains. OK, OK. 482 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,440 You know you know the exact start time on the network. 483 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,240 Well, I I might. It hasn't been announced yet, 484 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,280 but I'm guessing that's the game they want for Peacock. 485 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,640 You want to go to risers. And hell, I'm remembering 486 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,120 bourbon versus Broadway. That can be a top, remember. 487 00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:41,160 I agree. I agree that one's terrible. 488 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,760 At least you don't need that game probably or I don't know, 489 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,840 Saints, Titans 2. Two of three teams that did not 490 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,840 get a single night game meeting in Week 17. 491 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,840 Outdoors Week 17. Brutal. 492 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,360 I guess both of those things like were were part of like 493 00:25:57,360 --> 00:25:59,640 Roman culture, right? Saints and Titans. 494 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:01,840 That helps. Sure. 495 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,120 Yeah, that that's going to get me there. 496 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,600 Titans are more Titans are more Greek culture. 497 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,880 They're more Greek. Than Roman, than Roman culture. 498 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,240 I think that's right, yeah. Yeah, fair. 499 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,520 It's yeah, I guess Saints work. Yeah, that was, that's. 500 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,760 Saints, Saints, Saints. Very Roman. 501 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,680 Eventually, eventually very Roman. 502 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,840 Do you want a a minute? We can keep going as long as you 503 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,800 want on this. If you are done, Do you want a 504 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,040 stack take from me or do you want to go to Riders 'cause I'm? 505 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:31,760 There's there's. Let's hear the stack. 506 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,800 Let's hear the stack. I'm having a tough time figuring 507 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,800 out what to do about Jade and Daniels in these drafts. 508 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:45,440 Mclaurin goes an awkward kind of 15 picks earlier and if I don't 509 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:51,240 get Debo, what am I doing? Is it like, is it ertz in, in 510 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:55,200 Week 17 is the point and it's Zach Ertz like, I don't know the 511 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,960 other top quarterbacks. It's kind of straightforward. 512 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,160 You know, with Buffalo, you can always get later guys. 513 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,080 You know that. Cincinnati's obvious. 514 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,960 Philadelphia's similar, Baltimore, you kind of know. 515 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,240 And this year it's more sprinkled through Washington. 516 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:15,120 I I want Daniels, but when I've drafted them I feel like I'm 517 00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:17,760 getting stuck. I don't think you need to, I 518 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,360 mean, you probably don't need to stack Daniels cause how much you 519 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,120 do. And if you think about it, last 520 00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:26,280 year, like he had some of those games where it was like Alamina, 521 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:30,960 Zacchaeus, Yami Brown, like, so I mean, I, I certainly would, 522 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,200 would try to stack him. But like I, I, I don't feel that 523 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,400 badly about myself. I wind up with the naked Daniels 524 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,000 on the team. What's your quarterback too 525 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,200 then? Like do you want you're just 526 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:43,200 going to stack like a low rent option with? 527 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,040 Daniels Yeah, I don't want you to. 528 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,120 I'd want to take like a pocket quarterback with Daniels that I 529 00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:50,600 can really stack up if I'm doing like naked Daniels. 530 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:56,600 I like that. I I think like Daniels and and 531 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,600 Allen and Lamar at these prices, you're really betting that they 532 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:06,560 have just like a huge blow up week and or multiple and like 533 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,840 they don't necessarily carry that many guys along with them. 534 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,720 Lamar's the most stackable because you can you can do 535 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,040 flowers right there. You can get Andrews, you might 536 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:17,680 have Henry. So there's lots of ways you can 537 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,880 do Lamar, but Allen can get kind of tricky cause Shakur goes on 538 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,040 the other side of the board. Kincaid is like with this like 539 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,360 knee stuff. I'm kind of a little iffy on 540 00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:29,720 him. And then, you know, I mean, you 541 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,440 can like take Josh Palmer or whatever, but it's like not it's 542 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,600 like you end up with like Josh Palmer and Ray Davis or 543 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,000 something. And you might. 544 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,520 Get, Leonie said. Leonie said. 545 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,320 Kincaid's fine, Leonie said. Actually, if you actually if you 546 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:42,720 actually read the. Article. 547 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,040 I'll dig in. Kincaid is fine. 548 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:46,720 He's not. I know. 549 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:48,640 He's not. I don't know anything about this 550 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,400 Leonie. Said I don't know what Leonie 551 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,000 said. Leonie said. 552 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,600 If you read the article, it was like more concerned about his. 553 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,800 They were more concerned about like his strength as like a 554 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,960 blocker is what the the article. Is it what I had? 555 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,520 I don't know if anything. Bills have big plans for Dalton 556 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,080 Kincaid after injury filled second season or what? 557 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:06,200 What's? I believe. 558 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,680 I believe that is the article. Yeah, I'll pull up the thing I 559 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,680 saw. It's got to be recent, I hope, 560 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,240 because I don't know anything about it here. 561 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:17,440 Here is what I think Davis, the G miss point was on Kincaid 562 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,440 after the season because then when he was doing his media tour 563 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,160 and trying to, you know, I don't know, it was it was mixed, but 564 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,680 what he he explained himself on Kincaid and it's really about 565 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,840 getting off, getting off the line, you know, just getting 566 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,320 getting free from press coverage earlier, being stronger and 567 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:35,920 being able to do that. I don't think they want to use 568 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,920 him with his hand down, but I think they want him to be able 569 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,200 to separate. Nobody on this team can separate 570 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,440 and they want him to get stronger so he can do that. 571 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:45,960 I don't know anything about the knee. 572 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,680 I know he had problems last year that maybe somewhat stemmed from 573 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,720 it. So The upshot is that he's not 574 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:57,480 injured, he's just bad. Was injured, isn't injured now. 575 00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,960 I mean, if you look at their team though, like basically it's 576 00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:00,800 still. Bad though. 577 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,720 Well, he always was. He had the one game against USC, 578 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,120 dude, He had the, he had the game against USC. 579 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,840 That like, like I kind of irrevocably changed the future 580 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:17,360 of the Buffalo franchise. But otherwise, so the the thing 581 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,880 I saw was from Jeff Muller, who said he dealt with APCL sprain 582 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,920 in his left knee and then rumors have undergone surgery for his 583 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,960 right knee this offseason, likely meniscus slash 584 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:33,760 debridement. So he he called him in a void. 585 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,560 So I don't know. I mean, I was already like, I 586 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,440 felt like I was already kind of carrying water for Dalton 587 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,320 Kincaid based on what he done in like at least in in the leg up 588 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,240 ranking stuff. I'm like, come on, like, you 589 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,280 know, maybe he's better than he's shown, but like if there's 590 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:53,560 any kind of like health stuff, he's just he's a scary pick. 591 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,600 So I'm just like, I don't actually think he's really that 592 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,520 good. He hasn't shown that he's that 593 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,520 good. And it is kind of an opportunity 594 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,200 based play. So I don't know, OK, I'm 595 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,160 getting, I'm getting a little squeamish. 596 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,680 All right, so Daniels, I can just draft Daniels because he's 597 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,840 great and figure out Stafford or someone else. 598 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,400 Geno Smith later on. Got it. 599 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,960 And I know they played Dallas in Week 17. 600 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,320 I don't think you have to wait that late, Joe, Honestly, like 601 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:31,000 you're, you're still Daniels. You have to get through week 602 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,960 1516 and 17. You have to win week 17. 603 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,000 And so like, even a guy like Daniels isn't necessarily going 604 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,440 to go nuts for three straight weeks. 605 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,160 And if he does, you probably do want him stacked. 606 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,720 So you, yeah, I mean, I think you can do it a number of ways. 607 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,120 Like you can you can still invest in the quarterback 608 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,760 position after Daniels to try to get through those those single 609 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,960 elimination weeks, especially if it's like, yeah, like like Jacob 610 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,440 said, like someone stacked up, like I wouldn't mind stacking up 611 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,400 the box and have Baker and just like think like, all right, 612 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,640 Baker and you know, Baker's more expensive than Gino by Longshot, 613 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,120 but it's like, yeah, Baker can have like a huge week 16 and get 614 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:16,040 you through or like Baker can be what wins you it and and Daniels 615 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:25,760 is what got you there. OK, risers, Pat Bryant leads the 616 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,400 way, and we've got a Broncos slide if you want to dig in on 617 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,800 him. What, what, what is the deal 618 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,200 here with with Pat? Bryant until he is going higher 619 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,880 than Marvin Mims as he is ranked in the Thinking About Thinking 620 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,200 Basketball rankings. I think you're going to win that 621 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,240 battle. I mean, Jacob, I'm sorry, 622 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:47,600 insane, insane take here. We're moving. 623 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,600 We're moving the market. What is what? 624 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,400 What are you? What are you hoping? 625 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,680 What are you hoping to get from Pat Bryant? 626 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,240 And it's very. Clear what you're hoping. 627 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,320 To get from to get an actual wide receiver instead of a 628 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,800 gadget player. Yeah, I'm, I'm with you on this 629 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,880 actually. And if there weren't, if there 630 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,640 weren't ADPOS, they could be Pat Bryant could be 85% of the 631 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,920 routes and, and be good. Like he was like a not a great 632 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,760 prospect, but he was a good prospect. 633 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,000 Like he was reasonably productive. 634 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,600 I didn't care about him pre draft because no one expected 635 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,760 him to go on day 2. So I I just sort of thought he 636 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,720 was going to be a, a nothing burger. 637 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:29,520 But jeez, once he went day 2, you know, you look back at the 638 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,240 production profile and you're like, oh, this is actually a 639 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,640 pretty solid bet to make for day two pick. 640 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,840 Like I, I wouldn't be surprised to me at all if he became like a 641 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,760 top 24 fantasy receiver at one point. 642 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,000 So why? Why couldn't he be like AI don't 643 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:47,040 know, like year one have a 80% rate starting say week 6 and 644 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,680 onwards and then have like a 18% target share? 645 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,680 The thing that's been tough for me to get my head around because 646 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,760 of the dynamic that you just said, we're like, he wasn't 647 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,680 really on my radar. I didn't write him up. 648 00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:02,520 I had him like in my stop, but I just like didn't expect to care 649 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:07,120 about Pat Bryant. And then he goes third rounds 650 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,840 and he comes out for me is like the same tears Jill and Noel now 651 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,400 who I thought was going to go earlier. 652 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,600 And so it's like I've had to kind of it's taken me like a 653 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:22,080 little bit to to get like my my head around the idea that like 654 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,320 maybe Pat Bryant shouldn't be a late round pick, maybe should be 655 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,600 kind of like, you know, kind of more like the one 50s. 656 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:31,480 I think that's where he's headed. 657 00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:33,560 Yeah, I think that's about right. 658 00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:38,440 Pat. Bryant is going to be he's going 659 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,800 to be the most anonymous rotational wide receiver for in 660 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,920 the history of the Denver Broncos. 661 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:49,480 Like, because you're not going to send the Mims snaps to 0. 662 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,639 Now maybe Bryant limits Mims 80% of the routes. 663 00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:55,920 I'm totally willing to grant that. 664 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,520 But you still have Vayleigh, who is not going to the bench. 665 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:03,040 You still have Troy Franklin, who is not going to 0 right now. 666 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,360 I think of all the. Guys like, why can't Yvonne 667 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,800 Vayleigh and Troy Franklin just sit on the bench? 668 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,440 Vayleigh could be an all time. Remember this guy? 669 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:18,600 Why didn't Why didn't Lil Jordan Humphrey and Brandon Johnson go 670 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,440 to the bench for the number? Of all because Lynn, Franklin 671 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,760 and Vayleigh suck. Yeah. 672 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,560 Like, I just don't think any of these guys are any good. 673 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,200 So like, maybe Bryant doesn't either. 674 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,960 Probably probably pretty likely he's not that good this year. 675 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,200 But like, if he is, I don't. I don't understand why any of 676 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,680 these guys who couldn't keep little Jordan Humphrey off the 677 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,080 field are a are a major roadblock. 678 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,360 I think it's more likely that they are in our hair all year 679 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,880 because of the, you know, the history and the the point about 680 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,560 what Bryant is as a ceiling. Also, I'd say maybe Davis, Like 681 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:51,920 if he had a different name, would he be more exciting 682 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,200 Perhaps? Pat Bryant's for sure. 683 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,960 Yes, yes, absolutely he would be. 684 00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,120 He would be more exciting if he had a different name. 685 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,600 The NFL Stock Exchange guys have a guy, I can't actually remember 686 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,600 what player it is 'cause his name's so boring, but they 687 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,280 renamed him Bull Rush McIntyre 'cause they they're like, if 688 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,680 this edge was named Bull Rush McIntyre, we won't love him, so 689 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,800 he needs to. Imagine if if if Pat Bryant were 690 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,240 actually named Devon Vaile. Just imagine what. 691 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:17,840 It were. The case. 692 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,040 I mean, Baylor, Baylor was a seventh round pick. 693 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,320 He's like old as hell, Yeah. He's my age. 694 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,640 So, you know, he was fine last year, but like he's he's got 695 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:33,840 this kind of like big slot role that they've already kind of 696 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,360 hinted that maybe they view Pat Bryant in a similar way. 697 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:42,200 I I think this is about is it is a third round pick in an offense 698 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:43,800 we are investing pretty highly in. 699 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,560 Like this is a pretty good situation. 700 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,160 You know, this, this, there is not really a a big impediment 701 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,160 here to playing time. If he's good, he has to be good. 702 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,680 But you know, and then the other thing is like, do we need that? 703 00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,040 Jacob said 80% route participation. 704 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,840 Well, like the top guys are at like 90 plus. 705 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,480 So you're, you're kind of baking in some room for Troy Franklin 706 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,040 to come running some go routes and, and they like to work in 707 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,400 more than we like. And Mims does some gadget stuff 708 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:17,040 and I think that there's, you know, there's room to hit on 709 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:22,240 this if Pat Bryan is good where he he is still rotating like 710 00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:25,040 more than a normal starting wide receiver. 711 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,800 But it's not a gigantic problem because he's you know, it's like 712 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,320 Haman, Cortland, Sutton are the only guys who can earn downfield 713 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,680 targets. Otherwise it's just dump offs to 714 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:40,120 Evan Ingram or running back. Marvin Mims has just already 715 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:46,160 demonstrably shown like Elite single game ceiling at the NFL 716 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:47,920 level. And unlike running back where 717 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,760 efficiency does not lead towards more playing time in the future, 718 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,000 this is a lot of our friend Blair Andrews. 719 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,560 Research at Rotoviz has found that particularly for year 2 720 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,920 wide receivers, spikes in efficiency lead to greater 721 00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:05,120 playing time moving forward. And yeah, in in year 3 and in 722 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,760 year 4, that was like, it's he if you go, if you just go search 723 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,280 Blair Andrews on Rotoviz, he's got a couple like really good 724 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,280 like in depth studies on this stuff that finds that 725 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:20,080 particularly sparks in yards per route run tend to be indicative 726 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,840 of future fantasy points, meaning they get more routes. 727 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:28,120 And if I'm thinking about Sean Payton and what, you know, a 728 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,280 evidence based NFL coach would do, I think he would look at it 729 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:36,600 and he'd say Mims does something that none of the other guys can 730 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,440 do. He's better in space and he's 731 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,400 better down the field. And maybe like if, like if he 732 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,240 thinks that Pat Bryant is the new slant boy, which is kind of 733 00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:49,560 what he's indicated, then that actually doesn't really preclude 734 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,440 Mims from getting more routes either. 735 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,080 It doesn't. I think that it. 736 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,120 I think it does because they they're still going to run a 737 00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,960 bunch of 21 and 12. So like Sutton's getting his 738 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,720 routes. That's that's like not going to 739 00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:05,120 change. So there are only so many, 740 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:09,640 there's like 1 1/2 receivers worth of routes left allocate. 741 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,840 And like, I understand that Brian and Mims probably have 742 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:18,760 very little in common in terms of their role, but if, if you 743 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,400 know that one of them is playing almost all of the routes, that 744 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,800 does mean the other one's a part time player at best. 745 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:28,320 That that I think is like true. I just view Mims as being like a 746 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,440 a guy who will have fun usage but not playful. 747 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,480 I would just be very surprised if in year 3, after two years of 748 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:39,960 being a high efficiency per target, low volume player, that 749 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,960 Mims is is now viewed very differently by the staff. 750 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,560 I I think he's going to continue to be get some gadget work, get 751 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,280 some drawn up shot plays, have some spike weeks. 752 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,640 I I just think his Rep participation is still not going 753 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:57,080 to be anything close to full. Yeah. 754 00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,160 I mean, he was really efficient last year, but it was in this 755 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:04,680 really strange role, which is somewhat of like he was kind of 756 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,960 half running back and then he's running go routes and. 757 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,520 You know, I think you can't like Harvey is is sort of a problem 758 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,200 for him potentially like in in some of that out of the 759 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,680 backfield. Only only only in theory, 760 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,320 because the Harvey receiving stuff at UCFI, look this up 761 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,560 because Sacrela just mentioned this to me in one of my streams. 762 00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:24,640 He's like, oh, you know what leg up? 763 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,120 We think one of the things is that Harvey is going to take 764 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:31,320 some of this away. Harvey was like legitimately bad 765 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,320 as a behind the line of scrimmage receiver at UCF. 766 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:38,160 Now there's a lot of reasons for that, but I, I, I, I've said 767 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,640 this before, I think the more I think a lot of the things that 768 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,680 people are thinking is Harvey is like a Darren Sproles type role 769 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,120 for the Broncos. I, I disagree with that. 770 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,080 I think he's the Pierre Thomas role, which is. 771 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:52,600 Yeah, I would. I would agree with that. 772 00:40:53,240 --> 00:40:54,440 Yeah. So. 773 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,760 I don't think. 2 passing code. I mean, he's more like he's more 774 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:03,120 like a Bucky or something. Yeah, which which again in in my 775 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:09,680 mind is not an overlapping or duplicative skill set with the 776 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,720 type of stuff they were having Mims do. 777 00:41:11,720 --> 00:41:15,360 Mims was doing the sprawl stuff, which is a decidedly different 778 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:19,560 thing. I mean, really, everybody's, 779 00:41:19,720 --> 00:41:21,880 everybody's making good points. What does it add up to? 780 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,760 We're talking about Denver having a number of options late 781 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,440 rounds, you know, Bryant might be safer, higher floor, Mims 782 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,080 might be spike week, playoff weeks. 783 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:31,520 Think you can kind of do anything you want. 784 00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:37,160 I mean, my issue with Mims isn't that he's like dead to score 785 00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,080 points, it's that he just shouldn't be drafted in the top 786 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,280 like 120. Like, I just think he's just 787 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:43,440 that's. Been my issue has been the. 788 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,920 Cost wildly overpriced, yeah. OK. 789 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,240 Yeah, if he if he was going like in round 15 where he could be a 790 00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:56,360 fun like rotational deep threat, which is what I think he is, 791 00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,160 then I would be very pleased to to draft him. 792 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,200 That's where he's gone in the previous two years. 793 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,840 It's just, yeah, this like where you take Mims right now. 794 00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,240 He goes right next to Rashad Bateman. 795 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,120 I know Rashad Bateman is running all the routes. 796 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,600 He's an actual wide receiver. He goes right in front of Kyle 797 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,760 Williams, who could be a day one starter for. 798 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,680 He could be potentially the number one wide receiver of the 799 00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:19,160 New England Patriots. He goes ahead of Hollywood, like 800 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,640 I like Hollywood way more. He plays plays with Mahomes. 801 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,080 He's like also a deep threat, but I think he has he's going to 802 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:28,560 run every single route like Jill Mcmillan's down here at 1:48. 803 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,840 I I think it's like kind of similar, like he will probably 804 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,600 also have a rotational roll with some spike week potential like 805 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:36,720 that, that now we're getting like 2 rounds later. 806 00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:39,840 That's more where I see Mims. I I just think the price is off 807 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,200 base based on what his role has been so far in the NFL. 808 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:46,600 He started two games last year. Well, you have to pay the tax 809 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,920 for the fact that he got 30 in week 17. 810 00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:50,640 I mean, that is, that is what the well, you. 811 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,200 Don't have to you. Don't have to. 812 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,760 The IRS is not knocking on my door if I if I show up as 0% 813 00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,880 Marvin Mims. To get him, you have to. 814 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,440 Yeah, I think he's fine to fade for right now. 815 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,240 I I don't think he's going to rise. 816 00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,200 You know, like we're probably going to hear more about Pat 817 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:12,960 Bryant, a prospect who wasn't just he wasn't on people's 818 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,760 minds. You know, like, I think the 819 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,360 catch up, the feeling of playing catch up on Pat Bryant that I'm 820 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,520 having I don't think is unique to me. 821 00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:26,000 Like I think the the market is kind of we're all like, is this 822 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,040 too high for Pat Bryant? Like maybe not. 823 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,720 OK, all right, he's moving up again. 824 00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:32,680 Is that too high? Like, I think that could happen 825 00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:37,080 and it could be supercharged by him having some good notes at a 826 00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,120 rookie camp, which, you know, is a reasonably likely thing to 827 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,880 happen. So, yeah, I don't know. 828 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,360 I think, I think that this that these guys get closer even if 829 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,640 they don't flip. So I think I. 830 00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,480 Flooding, fading Mims right now. I think I never heard his name. 831 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,120 Kyle Williams, Tori Horton, Jalen Royals, other guys you 832 00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:59,680 know, that were drafted later or much later were more talked 833 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,360 about. So we're seeing him creep up. 834 00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,880 He is at the top. Of the Jacob, Jacob mentioned 835 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,840 Hollywood playing with Mahomes like it was a good thing, which 836 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,160 I thought was funny considering that it's not. 837 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,680 It's like, do you really want Gardner Minshew's wide receiver 838 00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:22,200 3 buddy you can have? Getting ready. 839 00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:25,960 Three goes in the third round. Getting ready all ready for next 840 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,880 year's montage of just missed connections between Mahomes and 841 00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,480 Hollywood Brown. You know, 25 plus air yards. 842 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,000 I'll be ready for that. There'll be a list. 843 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,440 Pat, Brian. Like literally 0 Hollywood last 844 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:40,880 year. But I I think his price is 845 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,280 ridiculous this year. I've been. 846 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:44,040 I've been. Very. 847 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,280 I'm not into him. OK. 848 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:51,600 He you get because like you look at like last year was not, I 849 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,160 mean, I know it was coming off injury, but it's not great. 850 00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:57,920 And then he did in the playoffs. Yeah, like a little after a. 851 00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:02,400 His his targets per out run Pat was actually pretty good in in 852 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,400 the games he did play. Earning targets Rasheed Rice is 853 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,040 back. You've got Xavier worthy likely 854 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,960 to take a step. They they drafted a dude. 855 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,080 So that's like creates like some real downside risk. 856 00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,360 Probably unlikely. Oh no, that she's catching 857 00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,720 someone on day three who will never play a snap for them. 858 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,520 I mean it's. Just like I've never been. 859 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,120 Less than that like. Anything than than the Jalen 860 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,720 Royals year one I like that does not affect right. 861 00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,680 Now, But I mean, you've got you've got Rasheed Rice coming 862 00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,080 back looking really strong, Yeah, in his recovery. 863 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,040 And then you have you have Worthy who's you know. 864 00:45:35,240 --> 00:45:37,680 Right, That's why I thought it was a really bad tick in the 865 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,240 fourth round last year. Yeah, I did too. 866 00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,280 I did too. It's tough to put too much stock 867 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:48,560 or any on the injured guy who comes back very late when an 868 00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,320 entire season has gone along with, you know, other players, 869 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,880 rotation, familiarity. And then somebody comes back and 870 00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:57,480 everybody gets excited. But I don't know. 871 00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,000 I don't know if I want to really matter. 872 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:04,000 His his yards per rot run over the like he was at 1.25. 873 00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,080 He was at 1.24 in in a limited sample last year. 874 00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,880 He had like he's never been that good. 875 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:14,160 His his career high is 1.85 and so I don't know, I, I've been 876 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,840 surprised that Brown is more than just kind of a dart throw 877 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,560 at the end. Like he, I don't, I don't see. 878 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,000 The upside? Like what's the? 879 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,120 Upside. Everything you're saying I I 880 00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,400 agree with except for the last part. 881 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,840 Like I really agree. In terms of last year, I thought 882 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:31,880 he was the worst pick on the board the entire summer. 883 00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,320 His price made no sense to me. Why are we drafting this guy 884 00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,320 with like a figure 1.3 yards per out run in like round 4? 885 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:42,880 But like what has really changed since last year? 886 00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,440 Like Kelsey's worse than he was last year. 887 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,560 Rice has injury questions that he didn't have last year. 888 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,480 Worthy had a good rookie season, but like not a great one. 889 00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,360 Like I don't actually view Worthy year 2 that much 890 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:54,800 different than I viewed Worthy year one. 891 00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,320 I think there's actually more opportunity for Hollywood this 892 00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,840 year than there was last year. I don't, I don't really 893 00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,240 understand why I would view Hollywood any differently this 894 00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:04,720 year than I did last year. So like I thought last year he 895 00:47:04,720 --> 00:47:07,000 should have been like an eighth round pick that was priced up in 896 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,560 the 4th for some dumb reason. I don't really know why this 897 00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,760 means he should be a 12. I think the difference is that 898 00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,880 Rice Rice we were drafting on a promising rookie season and then 899 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,560 he looked like he was a target dominant player. 900 00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:22,880 So now we have to go, OK, is he healthy? 901 00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:27,000 But if he is like he's he'll, I think kind of changes the 902 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,000 situation in in Kansas City a bit. 903 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,360 We also had another year of Mahomes looking like Gardner 904 00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,400 Minshew. So the whole like while he plays 905 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:38,120 in Mahomes case did kind of take a hit, especially from let's get 906 00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,600 wildly overly optimistic about a guy. 907 00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,480 I mean, relative to the price last year, you could say, oh, he 908 00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,240 should be an eighth round pick, but he shouldn't have been. 909 00:47:45,240 --> 00:47:46,960 He should have been like a 12th round pick. 910 00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,520 Like I mean, like it was it was ridiculous. 911 00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,440 It was truly ridiculous last year, like it was never going to 912 00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,160 work. So I I don't see why I have to 913 00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:58,280 like take last year's prices. If it was like at all rational. 914 00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,360 It it was just it was hope. That was just a pure hope buy. 915 00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,200 I don't know. I still think we, I still think 916 00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:07,960 he's a light. He's a career like professional 917 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:11,360 wide receiver who's gonna run, I think a lot of routes on the 918 00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:15,640 Kansas. City Chiefs 6065% route share 919 00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,920 Justin Watson is now the wide Receiver 5 on the Houston 920 00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,560 Texans. So I do think there is some 921 00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:27,800 pretty good optimism that you can like if Hollywood replicates 922 00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:33,480 Juju Smith Schuster's per game stats at wide receiver 62 you 923 00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,760 it's like a it's like a giant win. 924 00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,320 He just won't. I mean, that's, that's like not 925 00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:44,200 even what he's there to do. Except it, it kind of is. 926 00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,680 If you look at if you look at how they deployed him in the 927 00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,480 games that he was there, he only, I believe he only had one 928 00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:53,040 target over 30 area yards in in the. 929 00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,080 Game 10.8 A dot. Play Yeah. 930 00:48:56,200 --> 00:49:00,400 Lock close not. That much higher? 931 00:49:03,720 --> 00:49:09,320 Juju 5.9 last year. All right, I'm wrong. 932 00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,080 Is he under contract still by the way there? 933 00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:14,120 Yes, Juju. Yeah, he is right. 934 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:19,440 He'll probably play more than I would like him to at all. 935 00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,840 I I I also feel very confident saying he will have a higher 936 00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:24,280 right share than Jill and Royals this year. 937 00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,560 He will. Juju will play a lot early on in 938 00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:31,480 the year while they are making sure Rice's knee is OK. 939 00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:35,000 He, he and Rice play the same position in the offense, right? 940 00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:41,240 Other risers, Jameson Williams, we talked about him a lot last 941 00:49:41,240 --> 00:49:46,480 week, Will Shipley from Pat's Last Call team moving up, we 942 00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,200 mean wet well clear of the 200 lines. 943 00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,120 So I mean looking like great closing line value on that one. 944 00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,160 And that's how you're judging this, right CLV? 945 00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,120 They don't have to have to place more points later. 946 00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:02,480 You're breaking up Keon Coleman, DJ Moore, Justice Hill, Dak 947 00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,560 Prescott, DJ Moore. Feel like the vibes on him have 948 00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,280 not been good. And yet he's climbing. 949 00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:13,840 Yeah, not by much. Maybe it's just sort of a stable 950 00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,080 market right now is, is one thing I mean these are, these 951 00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:20,800 are some smaller. That's right, I haven't seen the 952 00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,840 followers yet, but maybe there are players around him. 953 00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:26,120 That are last week was was Dave that convincing for people? 954 00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:28,720 Apparently, yeah, I can believe it. 955 00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,200 I think the market, by the way, is kind of learning the wrong 956 00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,560 lesson with the Shipley and Justice Hill rises. 957 00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,760 They're just like really pricing in running back to security. 958 00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,400 Like Justice Hill is like the definition of a chaperone. 959 00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,000 Shipley is like locked in as the running back to. 960 00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,600 But now that Shipley is going to come close to being like, I 961 00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,880 don't know, 8090% drafted in basketball mania, you should be 962 00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:57,320 doing a lot more of Taj Brooks, Blake Corum, you know, it's 963 00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,360 Marshawn Lloyd. Like you should be the the 964 00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,040 really good running back two bets. 965 00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,760 I think particularly running back two bets who have no path 966 00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:10,000 to stand alone value and it's all pure contingent. 967 00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:18,160 I think that you probably are better off doing a guy who's 37% 968 00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,720 drafted but might not be the running back two then being like 969 00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:23,240 I'm going to take Will Shipley every time. 970 00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,120 Well, I don't think you take Will Shipley every time, but. 971 00:51:27,240 --> 00:51:31,400 Like why, why, why can't I just not take the guys who I have no 972 00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:35,120 idea if they're going to be the RV 2 until I have some piece of 973 00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,040 information that. Yeah, that's how I feel. 974 00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:41,040 Like I would I would like, why would I take Taj Brooks now when 975 00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,240 if I later want to take Taj Brooks, I can just take him 976 00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,840 every time for two straight weeks in August? 977 00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:50,800 Maybe. Maybe Taj Brooks is a bad 978 00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,560 example. Maybe Marshawn Lloyd a better a 979 00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:56,720 better Blake Quorum, probably only a better. 980 00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,200 For all of. These guys, Marshawn Lloyd, I'm 981 00:51:59,320 --> 00:51:59,640 into. I have. 982 00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,400 Concerns about their place in the death chart. 983 00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,200 I would rather just Lloyd's a little different cuz I think 984 00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,160 he's probably a bigger favorite for the RB2 than the rest. 985 00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:10,280 But for the most part, I just, the guys that I'm not sure if 986 00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,640 they're the RB twos to me, I will just look at in August. 987 00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:15,440 And like it doesn't Underdog doesn't really care how you 988 00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,600 sequence your drafts. Like you're just going to jumble 989 00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,840 them all up at the end anyway. So for me, it's like I get to 990 00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,320 August and it's like I won't take any Will Shipley because 991 00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:24,920 I've already taken enough Will Shipley. 992 00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:28,440 And then I will take a bunch of these other guys that I wasn't 993 00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,720 taking before. The other thing is that this 994 00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:33,880 period is like a lower volume period in terms of the number of 995 00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:35,960 drafts coming in. And we also know from Leonie's 996 00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,280 research that a lot of these teams are going to have more 997 00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:43,560 zeros than some of the other teams when they get through to 998 00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,720 the playoffs. So like, and when you're in the 999 00:52:45,720 --> 00:52:49,240 18th round or if you're on the 15th round, you're you're not 1000 00:52:49,240 --> 00:52:50,840 really thinking about advance rate. 1001 00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,600 You're thinking about how do I get my team to win some of these 1002 00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:56,040 playoff weeks or win the tournament. 1003 00:52:57,240 --> 00:52:59,880 You're likely competing again, like the strongest teams in your 1004 00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:03,920 pod are probably teams drafted after this team. 1005 00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,680 Like these are these, a lot of these are going to be July teams 1006 00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:08,560 and August teams that you're trying to compete against. 1007 00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:15,240 So not taking a bunch of 0 just be just being like able to fill 1008 00:53:15,240 --> 00:53:17,560 out a roster and then have access to prices that they 1009 00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:22,160 didn't have is kind of one of the easiest ways to to have a 1010 00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,720 leg up on them. At the same time, I do think 1011 00:53:25,720 --> 00:53:28,480 some of the better bets I I don't want to, I feel like I was 1012 00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,360 a little bit too cautious in this way last year. 1013 00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,640 Like if I think a guy is a, is a reasonably strong bet to be the 1014 00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:38,120 RB2, like a Marshawn Lloyd, I'm going to go ahead and, and take 1015 00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,720 that, that take that risk. I don't want to just speculate 1016 00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:45,440 wildly, but I, you know, like DJ Giddens, I like a lot 'cause I'm 1017 00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:49,400 like, I'm pretty sure he's good and there's nothing here 1018 00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,360 blocking him to be the RB2. He had reasonable enough draft 1019 00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:53,960 capital. I'm just, I'm just going to bet 1020 00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:57,960 that he's the RB2. I could be wrong, but I, if you 1021 00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,040 have enough guys, like I don't just want to be like, oh, I'm 1022 00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:02,800 just going to take Shipley. He's the only guy I feel safe 1023 00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:03,600 about. Like I want him. 1024 00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:07,600 I want to spread it out and so I'm taking on a little bit of 1025 00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,960 risk, but not like a ton. I think I write in that same 1026 00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,720 range. Pat is Devin Neil and I don't 1027 00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:13,840 know he's RB. What? 1028 00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:17,240 I've taken a little bit of him. He he is pretty risky though. 1029 00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,160 I've I've mixed him in occasionally. 1030 00:54:19,240 --> 00:54:21,720 Are we sure? He's the better bet than Kendra. 1031 00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,840 No, we're not sure. We we can't be sure. 1032 00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,320 Because, like, are we sure that they're going to be two and 13 1033 00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,680 and maybe Alvin Kamara is somewhere else? 1034 00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,240 That sounds reasonable as well. I'm less concerned about the 1035 00:54:35,240 --> 00:54:38,080 camera aspect of it. I get everything you're saying 1036 00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:42,520 with that. It's more just that like Neil is 1037 00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:46,480 the more recent pick, but Kendra is the higher pick. 1038 00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,480 I think he's the more talented player in my personal opinion. 1039 00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,240 I would take Neil, but it's not like a big. 1040 00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:56,640 I don't know. It's, it's, it's, it's just a 1041 00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,640 little dicey to me. The Dennis Allen is no longer 1042 00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:01,120 there. So there's no one to to hate 1043 00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:02,920 Kendry Miller. I think he at least gets like a 1044 00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,840 fair look from. As far as we know, as far as we 1045 00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:11,120 know, maybe this guy's got a touch with coaches. 1046 00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:20,960 Could be Justice Hill. OK, Prescott, we've all like 1047 00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,400 we've. I shouldn't say that as a fact. 1048 00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,680 Prescott has sounded to me through the offseason like 1049 00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:29,120 somebody that people think is going too late. 1050 00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,120 And maybe we're starting to see, is it Pickens here? 1051 00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:36,120 We're starting to see maybe even schedule stuff moving him up. 1052 00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:41,120 It's Pickens for sure. Yeah, yeah. 1053 00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:42,720 And he should. He should be higher than this. 1054 00:55:43,720 --> 00:55:45,280 I got a small change 2. Things. 1055 00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,600 It's like 1 people. People like Dak more because 1056 00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:50,040 they added a a real wide receiver. 1057 00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,440 And then two, there's now another team that is trying to 1058 00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,560 stack Dak Prescott because before you only had the CD 1059 00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:58,680 drafter that was trying to get Dak, whereas now you have the CD 1060 00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,200 drafter or the Pickens drafter that are both targeting Dak 1061 00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:06,320 Prescott. And and that that's like that 1062 00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:10,560 that really probably can't be overstated because with almost 1063 00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,640 every other quarterback, it's like, yeah, but his running 1064 00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:16,800 backs off the board. No, yeah, the running backs are 1065 00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:18,800 not off the board, Not a single one. 1066 00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:22,400 So, you know, and and the tight end also goes after DAC. 1067 00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,240 So it's it really is. There's been one CD team just 1068 00:56:25,240 --> 00:56:28,720 sitting there pushing DAC and now there's a second team he's 1069 00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:33,520 competing with. By the way, what do you think of 1070 00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:37,320 how the first round is going so far since the schedule came out? 1071 00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,560 I have done, I told you I signed up for the 20 slows. 1072 00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:44,640 I think I've been 24 and out of 21 that have started, I have 8 1073 00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:47,800 genties. Just I know we just said earlier 1074 00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:51,200 about wide receiver in the first round, but I've moved him all 1075 00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,440 the way up to one O 4 in one draft. 1076 00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:57,120 Just want to see and and what about Gentie Bowers as a start? 1077 00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,160 That's why I put slappy in the in the name today. 1078 00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:01,840 I don't know if that's a slappy move, but. 1079 00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,840 Seems good to me. Yeah, I have no problem with 1080 00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,880 that. I like Captain Gentie. 1081 00:57:10,240 --> 00:57:14,800 Vegas dice and darts. Giants. 1082 00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:20,880 See, I got it. I got it. 1083 00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:21,920 But you already knew it, didn't you? 1084 00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,400 You already knew it. You have to remember the if 1085 00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,240 you're remembering the demonic when you. 1086 00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,840 Are you're going well? Vegas plays the. 1087 00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,600 Giants 3D How many D is that? It's. 1088 00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:36,600 Going to come to me in a second. Ice darts Who's who's ever 1089 00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:38,040 played dice and darts in the same room? 1090 00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:43,360 Well, I think, I think darts is cigars is what we're going. 1091 00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:47,640 For here cigarettes, OK. Oh, I actually because of like 1092 00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:49,760 the dice and that's the gaming aspect. 1093 00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:53,120 I thought of it as the throwing darts but. 1094 00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:55,960 Me too, me too. Darts cool. 1095 00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,080 Yeah. Let's move to the Fallers. 1096 00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,840 We've been through the Broncos receiver slide. 1097 00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:03,400 Jalen Tolbert. That makes sense. 1098 00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:08,280 Zay Flowers, Alec IO Manor, Patrick Mahomes, Davis, Jerome 1099 00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,600 Ford, Dylan Samson, The 2 Browns running backs. 1100 00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:14,040 We've got a slide on that. And then Caleb Williams, and 1101 00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:18,560 that is the book. Caleb Williams the comment about 1102 00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:24,240 not wanting to play there. It's also I missed this one. 1103 00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:29,640 Rising a little bit. Hard to say. 1104 00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:35,280 There's going to be some, I mean, it's a 2.8% fall in a, in 1105 00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:38,560 a window of quarterbacks that are all kind of shuffling 1106 00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:41,480 around. And I think as long as they're 1107 00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:43,440 kind of in the, as long as you're like sitting in that 1108 00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,960 window, like you really shouldn't sweat. 1109 00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,480 Like I'm going to, I'm going to reach a few picks for this guy 1110 00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,320 to get him stacked. Like, yeah, great. 1111 00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:56,760 You know, so I, I don't know that it this fault means nothing 1112 00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:00,600 to me. 8-9 turn. Who else is in there? 1113 00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:05,360 Is Murray in there? Murray, Purdy, Murray, Goff, 1114 00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:07,960 Nicks, they're all, they're all bunched up there. 1115 00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,320 And Mahomes, Mahomes should be in that group, too. 1116 00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,000 Mahomes should not be meaningfully. 1117 00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:15,440 Separated of you and you're self loathing. 1118 00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:18,440 I think Mahomes should be. Back-to-back 200. 1119 00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,320 I can also back. To back 290 point seasons. 1120 00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:26,400 Also announced by the way, that Alec AO Manor, since last night 1121 00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,640 when these slides were put together, is now at 200.7, which 1122 00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:33,920 is a relative threshold. I'm not picking in front of you 1123 00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:37,040 this week after the last two, so don't worry about me. 1124 00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:44,560 So that's the 8-9 turn. And one thing you guys pointed 1125 00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:47,760 out on ship chasing with respect to the early drafts after the 1126 00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,560 schedule came out and stacks is how kind of what? 1127 00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:54,600 What's the right word here, Pat? Obvious Cincinnati, Arizona will 1128 00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:58,800 be with Chase and McBride and Harrison and Higgins and then 1129 00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:03,200 Burrow and even Murray. I don't know, is is that such a 1130 01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:04,840 game? That's just like, too easy. 1131 01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:09,200 Is there such a thing as that? It's so easy that like I'm sure 1132 01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:14,200 a bunch of people have a ton of it from before the schedule was 1133 01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,800 released because these guys were all going, you know, right at 1134 01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:20,760 that, you know, beginning of the board, the one hole or the 2 1135 01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,680 hole depending on, you know, if you got like Higgins or Chase, 1136 01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:25,800 whatever. But yeah, I mean, this game was 1137 01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:28,200 stacking up itself before we even knew to stack it. 1138 01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:32,480 So, you know, the schedule makers make us feel smart for 1139 01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,640 for doing this before we even knew, which is nice. 1140 01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,000 And then I think, yeah, it'll just it'll just stick here. 1141 01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:42,280 It's easy. Like if if, if AD PS are already 1142 01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:45,800 aligned like this, it's I think pretty easy to just kind of lock 1143 01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:50,000 them in. So I don't see why, at least in 1144 01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:51,800 the near term, this would break up at all. 1145 01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:58,840 Arizona Bengals stacks itself. So there's no no concern toward 1146 01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:02,280 like it just being too popular of an idea that the the teams 1147 01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,480 that were built before the schedule came out earn no 1148 01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,480 advantage. I, I don't, I don't think our 1149 01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:11,080 job on May 20th is to, is to draft with what has been popular 1150 01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:13,680 in a tournament that goes through the end of August into 1151 01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:15,000 September. Fair enough. 1152 01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:17,400 It's just not. It's, it's just and the final, 1153 01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:21,000 very beginning of the tournament, the final so small. 1154 01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:25,400 So small. I mean, honestly, show up like I 1155 01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:28,640 think more it's more likely to be the opposite that like to the 1156 01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,880 point that I said before, like you're competing against a bunch 1157 01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,760 of teams in your pods who've been drafted later in the 1158 01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:38,280 tournament. It's possible that this 1159 01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,800 particular construction is not available later and it's a 1160 01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:44,600 pretty appealing construction. So why not make it like I? 1161 01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:46,360 I don't know, I just don't want to overthink that. 1162 01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:51,360 OK, let's see Flowers, Any takes? 1163 01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:56,360 Just don't get that excited about him. 1164 01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:59,200 It's just probably about me. I, I like Zay flowers. 1165 01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:01,160 I don't, I don't know. I don't know. 1166 01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:03,800 His ADP is fine at 47. It's fine at 49. 1167 01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:06,480 Also, that same end of the draft. 1168 01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:08,360 He's like, I think it's just it's not an exciting pick 1169 01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:10,720 because he kind of, he's like a young player, but he feels like 1170 01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:12,960 an old player because he's just kind of been the same since like 1171 01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:14,880 Week 1. Like he just immediately had a 1172 01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:16,760 full time role. He hasn't really changed all 1173 01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:18,200 that much. He's been efficient. 1174 01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:21,360 He's volume captain the offense. He's just like a guy that like 1175 01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,840 if you need a wide receiver and he's the highest available in 1176 01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:26,200 your ADP, it's like a totally cromulent pick. 1177 01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:29,280 But I I don't think there's just going to he's just not the kind 1178 01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:31,280 of player that anyone's going to be going on Twitter being like 1179 01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:34,520 my guy is Zay Flowers. Like he's, he's just sort of 1180 01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:36,440 like a guy you take when it fits, it seems like. 1181 01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:40,680 Yeah, I recently was looking into him and I kind of made the 1182 01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:44,680 case that we needed to consider his ceiling a little bit more. 1183 01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:48,040 In his second season, he was a 2.25 yards per route run. 1184 01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:50,080 He's the clear wide receiver one on his team. 1185 01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:53,040 He really doesn't have much competition this year. 1186 01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:56,760 They bring in Hopkins, who really fell off Bateman is what 1187 01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:58,840 he is. You know, he's he's like a 1188 01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,680 helpful Darnell Mooney esque piece, but he's not like really 1189 01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:07,920 going to be stealing targets. And then Andrews was is coming 1190 01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,920 off a really concerning year that maybe he bounces back from. 1191 01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:14,120 Maybe it was a car accident stuff or maybe he just isn't 1192 01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:15,520 ever going to be what he was before. 1193 01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:18,040 So. Yeah, the tightrope surgery. 1194 01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:22,960 Right, right. But you came back from what, in 1195 01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:26,840 2023 and then yeah, but still didn't look right last year. 1196 01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:32,520 So the the flowers thing, because he plays with Lamar and 1197 01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:34,560 you know, they're never going to have like a ton of passing 1198 01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:37,640 volume. It's like harder to get excited 1199 01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:40,840 about him. But in the fourth round, I I've 1200 01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:41,840 actually come around to the idea. 1201 01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:45,080 I do think they're ceiling here relative to the price. 1202 01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:48,400 Maybe not massive, massive ceiling, but like we're talking 1203 01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:50,680 about a guy who hit the ground running as a first round pick 1204 01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:54,560 and then was very impressively efficient last year. 1205 01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:58,840 His quarterback could easily have just won back-to-back MVPS. 1206 01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:00,880 So it's not like he has bad quarterback play or something. 1207 01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:04,200 It's just the, it's a, it's an unusual situation in terms of 1208 01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:06,320 pass volume given how good the quarterback play is. 1209 01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:11,640 But I think he could, he could increase his target share pretty 1210 01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:16,520 easily, you know, and then then you have outs of maybe the the 1211 01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:18,840 Ravens are are passing more for whatever reason, Maybe Henry 1212 01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:20,480 slows down a little bit. Maybe they lean into the pass 1213 01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:23,280 game a bit more, you know? Like I have ranked the head of 1214 01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:27,200 ADPI always have say ranked the little head of ADP just because 1215 01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:30,720 it's sort of like I, I never against him, but then I'm fading 1216 01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:33,680 other people that just sort of pushes him up ahead of and he he 1217 01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:35,240 obviously fits how I tend to draft. 1218 01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:38,280 So like his, his ADP now is 49.6. 1219 01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:44,440 I have him at at 43. We we also have them at 43. 1220 01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:52,880 OK. 43 brings a Jackson Flowers stack into play for 49 doesn't 1221 01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:56,400 quite as quite as smoothly. Yeah. 1222 01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:03,880 The Browns backfield, Jerome Ford and Dylan Sampson both 1223 01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:06,680 fallers. You've got, of course, Quinshawn 1224 01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:09,240 Judkins there to look at the next slide. 1225 01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:13,080 It's a tricky one for Cleveland, I think, because my read on 1226 01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:17,360 this, and it could be wrong, but my read is that for this year, 1227 01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:20,640 Sampson is going to be the backup in the sense that if 1228 01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:23,440 Judkins gets hurt, I think Sampson's the guy you want. 1229 01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:27,120 But for while Judkins plays, I think Ford plays more snaps 1230 01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:29,840 because he's going to have the third down roll, which makes 1231 01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:33,640 both of them much worse clicks because you, you ideally would 1232 01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:36,840 like to have the backup who plays 30% of the snaps each 1233 01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:38,680 week. And so you might get an 1234 01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:41,080 occasional spike week by accident. 1235 01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:43,920 You know, if they just happened to break a touchdown and you get 1236 01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:46,120 the contingent upside. I think that the contingent and 1237 01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:47,680 the standalone might be split here. 1238 01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:51,600 I think that makes a lot of sense. 1239 01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:54,480 One thing that's kind of frustrating about Samson is that 1240 01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:59,360 he's like a bit undersized, but he wasn't a pass catcher, which 1241 01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:03,040 isn't, you know, necessarily a huge problem in a vacuum. 1242 01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:08,160 But it's not great for this set up because Judkins was drafted 1243 01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:12,240 second round. He's the early down hammer, 221 1244 01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:16,920 lbs, great athleticism and can do a little something in the 1245 01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:20,360 passing game. I don't think it's a total zero 1246 01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:23,920 there. And then Samson's like 200, kind 1247 01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:26,640 of a speed back who's slower than the guy ahead of him. 1248 01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:32,360 You know, it's not I, I the path that he got is just like really 1249 01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:36,600 unfortunate. I think Ford makes a lot more 1250 01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:40,600 sense as a complimentary piece to, to Judkins. 1251 01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:43,360 I I think Samson has to go through Judkins one way or 1252 01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:47,720 another, like either an injury or, you know, much more, much 1253 01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:49,600 less likely. But it wouldn't be impossible 1254 01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:52,200 that at the end of the year they're like the guy we drafted 1255 01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:53,440 second is actually the better back. 1256 01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:56,320 Happens all the time. Happens all the time that the 1257 01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:59,320 guy you drafted second ends up being better than the guy you 1258 01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:03,560 drafted first. Yeah, like the Ravens was a good 1259 01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:06,880 prospect. I thought Samson would go and I 1260 01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:09,480 thought he was live to go, you know, late round two and kind of 1261 01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:12,720 that Harvey type zone. Or day 2 at least. 1262 01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:14,680 Day 2 at least. Yeah, brutal. 1263 01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:17,840 Brutal, brutal run out for him. I like Samson a lot but I agree 1264 01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:20,200 with everything past that. Like, he's not the most obvious 1265 01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:25,200 compliment to Judkins, so we'll, we'll see how it goes. 1266 01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:25,800 But yeah. Ford. 1267 01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:28,840 Ford I think has like no path basically. 1268 01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:32,320 Yeah, I don't see the point. Justice Hill or Kenny Gainwell, 1269 01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:34,000 but on the worst team in the world. 1270 01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:37,040 Yeah. Justice Hill's A. 1271 01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:40,400 Really a really good comp because I think he'll he'll mix 1272 01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:43,040 in and stuff, but it'll never really hit your line up. 1273 01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:46,600 And then, like, in the same way, if Henry were to go down, I was 1274 01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:48,720 surprised to see Hill rising, because if Henry were to go 1275 01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:51,320 down, I don't think, like, they're going to like, turn a 1276 01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:53,720 Rashina, yeah, or something. Like like he'll roll, but 1277 01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:56,320 obviously get bigger. But it wouldn't be like it's not 1278 01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:59,200 like he's our new Derrick Henry. Like it would he would become a 1279 01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:03,640 split of sorts, but he'll at least like he actually, the 1280 01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:06,680 Ravens score a lot of points and sometimes Justice Hill's a 1281 01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:09,400 recipient of those. And like they do like ski him up 1282 01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:11,360 for some wheel routes and stuff on occasion. 1283 01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:14,520 Like he he actually can have like a good amount of usable 1284 01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:18,479 weeks as a as a late round pick. But I think that like the thesis 1285 01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:20,359 on Justice Hill is different than it is on a will ship. 1286 01:08:20,359 --> 01:08:22,439 The idea with Justice Hill is like he will score points 1287 01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:26,680 alongside Derrick Henry, but the ceiling's not that high. 1288 01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:30,040 So he's kind of like a late round chaperone type guy. 1289 01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:32,640 If you've taken shots on like a Marshawn Lloyd and then you pair 1290 01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:36,200 it with a Justice Hill, like you kind of get one one guy who can 1291 01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:39,279 contribute. I viewed Jerome Ford very 1292 01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:43,120 similarly, although worse because the Browns are going to 1293 01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:45,120 score like half as many points as the Ravens. 1294 01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:52,319 Yeah. Over under five wins, they play 1295 01:08:52,319 --> 01:08:54,319 the NFC North. Their division's brutal. 1296 01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:56,920 It'd be a long, long road for the Browns. 1297 01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:01,399 Just a couple of names if I, if I can throw at you guys for 1298 01:09:01,399 --> 01:09:04,200 takes because we're through our slides here and we still got a 1299 01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:09,000 little bit of time to spare. Thoughts on drafting Jawan 1300 01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:12,359 Jennings in his range? Does that feel good? 1301 01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:15,479 Does that feel gross? Both. 1302 01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:19,000 Yeah. Can it be both? 1303 01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:21,560 It's both for me. Sorry, what? 1304 01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:23,040 Jawan Jennings? Yes. 1305 01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:25,359 Why is it gross? Feels awesome. 1306 01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:31,840 Because he's what, a fourth year player who's. 1307 01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:36,800 I think 6. 6th guy yeah see I'm I'm taking years off him and. 1308 01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:42,640 Early 6th round, early to mid. No, no, I'm saying how many 1309 01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:45,560 years he's been elite. He's Oh and 10 Year 5 he's. 1310 01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:46,800 Correct on 6. No. 1311 01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:50,960 He played in 20, 2020-2021, 223-2425. 1312 01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:53,640 Oh, he didn't log any any stats in 2020? 1313 01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:55,240 No per. PFL he didn't didn't log any 1314 01:09:55,240 --> 01:10:00,280 stats, but he he graduated. I, I, I know because he's a Vol. 1315 01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:03,320 So he graduated on the 2019 team because he caught the the Hail 1316 01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:09,760 Mary against Georgia. OK, so safe to save me for. 1317 01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:13,640 Me out in the NFL. He's on the way. 1318 01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:18,040 We've established that he's. I want to know is how invested 1319 01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:23,080 in him the Niners are. So yeah, I mean, I think like, 1320 01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:27,680 OK, the upside is Ayuk's coming off of a multi ligament knee 1321 01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:33,040 tear. You've got Ricky Pearsall, who 1322 01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:36,280 took a long time to show anything and was like a weird 1323 01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:41,680 first round pick. He could like be very little and 1324 01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:44,720 you know, the the Purdy, I think show that he can make plays last 1325 01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:46,200 year and the situation isn't perfect. 1326 01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:48,360 You do have McCaffrey coming back though, so the offense 1327 01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:50,360 could be could be rolling a bit more. 1328 01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:53,800 So, you know, and the and the other thing is with the way I 1329 01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:57,400 build Jennings is often someone where I'm like, well, he should 1330 01:10:57,400 --> 01:10:59,680 be productive right away. I don't have to worry about him. 1331 01:10:59,920 --> 01:11:01,800 And it's not like he's only an early season play. 1332 01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:05,120 Like if he hits, he could be just a great pick, but I don't 1333 01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:07,160 you know, he pairs well with rookies and stuff like that. 1334 01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:09,960 So that all kind of gets me on Jennings. 1335 01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:14,400 At the same time, this is like a slot receiver who just like 1336 01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:18,120 could not get on the field for years and they have IU coming 1337 01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:19,400 back. They have a first round wide 1338 01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:22,880 receiver. Like he could be an absolutely 1339 01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:26,080 hilarious sixth round pick in retrospect. 1340 01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:28,520 Like he could be like one of the guys we're talking about have 1341 01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:31,160 like we lost our minds. We were taking this dude in this 1342 01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:32,360 state. It could be this could be 1343 01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:34,360 Marquez Calloway. Remember. 1344 01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:37,440 Remember Marquez Calloway, who also went to Tennessee? 1345 01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:41,320 Exactly who's who's the guy on the Bucks? 1346 01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:43,720 That one year that we took, he went from the Falcons. 1347 01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:46,360 He was a slot be with the we, but the name is Russell. 1348 01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:49,080 Gage, yeah. Russell Gage, He could. 1349 01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:50,920 This could be Russell Gage again like. 1350 01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:54,640 We've Jake him out of that one. It is, it is like definitely in 1351 01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:59,040 the realm of like we drafted and again, I didn't draft any of 1352 01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:01,440 these individuals. I, I make a lot of embarrassing 1353 01:12:01,440 --> 01:12:05,400 picks, but usually on rookies, not 28 year olds, but Alan 1354 01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:08,400 Lazar, remember like he went in the sixth one random year. 1355 01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:11,800 Marcus Valdez Scantling went in the 7th that first year with 1356 01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:14,280 Kansas City. Russell Gage went in the 6th 1357 01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:16,920 that year with Tim. Like there are these like really 1358 01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:20,000 embarrassing picks in hindsight where like one year we've 1359 01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:24,560 decided to draft a 27 year old who never did anything in like 1360 01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:27,280 the sixth round and it's never, it doesn't go well usually. 1361 01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:29,800 Never works. So like from the zoomed out 1362 01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:36,080 view, this bat feels terrible. I I think the reason I'm willing 1363 01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:40,840 to make the exception is 1 His like target earning last year 1364 01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:43,360 was actually fantastic. That was not the case for any of 1365 01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:45,200 these other players. These all those other players 1366 01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:48,920 are more just like kind of projected into volume in a very 1367 01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:51,720 favorable situation, whereas Jennings we actually saw in this 1368 01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:54,360 situation earn a crap ton of volume. 1369 01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:59,840 And then the other difference is that the 49ers are just kind of 1370 01:12:59,960 --> 01:13:02,960 like a more meritocratic team than any other team in the NFL. 1371 01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:05,880 Like they they're they're not the kind of team that will look 1372 01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:09,080 at it and say, like, well, we have this sixth year veteran and 1373 01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:10,880 we have this guy we took in the first last year. 1374 01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:13,960 But so like, we're going to force the ball to the first year 1375 01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:15,840 of attack. Like if pure Sol's better, he 1376 01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:17,560 will be better. If he's not, they will throw the 1377 01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:19,160 ball to Jen. It's like they they don't care. 1378 01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:20,960 They're going to take, they're going to throw the ball to the. 1379 01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:24,920 Players He also scored 50 points in a game, which is the that is 1380 01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:30,520 my my biggest thing is that he is he had 50 points in a game. 1381 01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:34,120 So that seems good. I I would like that. 1382 01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:37,240 Yeah. Sounds like. 1383 01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:41,320 Basketball 3rd and jawan. You guys not heard of 3rd and 1384 01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:43,760 Jawan? They've been doing that for 1385 01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:45,280 years. Like even before Jennings was 1386 01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:48,720 good it was like 4 years ago and like he would he would catch a 1387 01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:52,720 pass and all the 49ers people would be like 3rd and Jawan so 1388 01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:56,720 they they like. Yeah, I mean that I'm kind of 1389 01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:59,400 making this the same exception for the same reason. 1390 01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:02,480 And, you know, that you got, it's like he was really good 1391 01:14:02,480 --> 01:14:04,720 last year and he was better than Pearsall. 1392 01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:06,440 You know, there were a couple, there were a few different 1393 01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:08,760 moments where I was like, all right, this is the chance for 1394 01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:10,920 someone to step up. And it was it was Jennings. 1395 01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:14,760 Pearsall had that big week 17. But like, you know, Jennings was 1396 01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:17,040 still I think the dude down the stretch. 1397 01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:20,680 And really the whole time that that, you know, the opportunity 1398 01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:22,120 opened up, it was primarily Jennings. 1399 01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:27,200 So it just does feel, it just gives me like so many like, you 1400 01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:31,000 know, this guy turns back into a pumpkin type of type of 1401 01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:33,040 flashback. Because Piersall could be 1402 01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:35,720 better. And then that's that going into 1403 01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:36,920 Year 2. I mean that happens. 1404 01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:40,760 Yeah, I mean, he does have the out of Iuke not being right. 1405 01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:45,360 And then, you know, you have Iuke having his issues with this 1406 01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:47,640 team. They're clearly like immediately 1407 01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:50,600 had buyer's remorse on on his contract. 1408 01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:54,080 They're like shopping him around after he tears his knee. 1409 01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:55,800 Like I, I don't think you're going to get the best price, 1410 01:14:55,800 --> 01:15:00,200 guys. So, so, you know, I think Pierce 1411 01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:03,400 all could be better. And then I you just never kind 1412 01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:05,400 of gets gets back to the role he had like that. 1413 01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:07,680 That could happen. It's not just a bet against 1414 01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:09,440 Pierce all it. And I think in some ways it is a 1415 01:15:09,440 --> 01:15:14,880 bet on Jennings who was good last year, but it's just it, it 1416 01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:17,160 just makes me nervous. But you know, on the flip side, 1417 01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:21,200 like he did so last year, he had 2.26 yards per out run and he 1418 01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:24,160 had 975 yards. Like it wasn't like a, a tiny 1419 01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:27,240 little little sample of play. He, he had it, he had a weekly 1420 01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:30,240 ceiling. He's been in the offense a long 1421 01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:31,120 time. You know, it's kind of a 1422 01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:34,320 complicated offense. You know, these guys tend to 1423 01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:37,000 trust the dudes who they, who they trust in those offenses. 1424 01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:41,600 So maybe you know, maybe it works for us. 1425 01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:46,120 Is there anybody then on San Francisco we're out on sort of 1426 01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:47,840 like everybody at the price and we're. 1427 01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:50,040 Drinking I'm out on I'm out on pure Sol. 1428 01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:53,080 OK, well. You're in on McCaffrey. 1429 01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:55,600 Actually, sorry, that's actually not true about pure Sol. 1430 01:15:56,480 --> 01:15:59,440 I'm so used to doing dynasty podcasting that I'm fading Pure 1431 01:15:59,440 --> 01:16:02,040 Sol very hard in Dynasty. I'm actually much more 1432 01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:06,120 interested to take stabs on his best ball value since it's just 1433 01:16:06,480 --> 01:16:10,400 like the he's actually a little cheaper than Jennings in in best 1434 01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:13,400 ball versus like the dynasty price is is lunacy to me. 1435 01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:15,200 I don't know how I uke I think then. 1436 01:16:15,480 --> 01:16:19,840 I I think that yeah, I'm I've been very skeptical of I uke 1437 01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:23,560 with the injury, but his his price has come down like when 1438 01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:25,520 when this thing first launched, they were basically all three 1439 01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:27,160 were the same price and I thought I uke was one of the 1440 01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:30,440 worst clicks on the board. They've come down and price a 1441 01:16:30,440 --> 01:16:33,440 good amount. I'm I'm not really that out on 1442 01:16:33,440 --> 01:16:38,800 any of them in best ball. I, I'm most in on. 1443 01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:41,160 I mean, I'm most in on Kittle. This is the guy I'm I'm most in 1444 01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:43,320 on. I, I would, I would draft him 1445 01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:48,040 like the third round if I had to, but I don't know, the pure 1446 01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:49,520 salt thing is, is really weird to me. 1447 01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:52,280 Like I, I, I've taken shots because he goes in a round where 1448 01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:54,880 I don't like any of the other wide receivers, but he was not a 1449 01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:58,080 good prospect statistically. I liked some of his film, but I 1450 01:16:58,080 --> 01:16:59,880 had like significant concerns about his prospect. 1451 01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:02,280 From a data perspective. He's like a 23 year old rookie. 1452 01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:05,840 He had basically one game that his entire rookie season inches 1453 01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:08,040 on. And I find it very curious how 1454 01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:09,520 many people are so bullish on him. 1455 01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:12,920 Like if, if the entire community was just like, oh, like he's a 1456 01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:14,440 young player with an opportunity. 1457 01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:17,720 Let's let's give it a shot. I would be I would be like 1458 01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:20,920 totally, totally fair enough, but the amount of conviction 1459 01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:23,840 behind this guy who hasn't really shown anything and didn't 1460 01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:25,680 really you. Have you seen that one catch 1461 01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:27,080 though? So. 1462 01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:31,040 Have you seen that one catch? Have you seen that one catch 1463 01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:32,480 though? The one the one handed. 1464 01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:34,480 It's so good that you're outside right now. 1465 01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:37,080 It's like this, yeah. Literally. 1466 01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:44,080 Well, what I what I realized was that the the 4G on my or the 5G 1467 01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:46,720 electron or whatever obviously works way worse in my basement. 1468 01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:52,600 So I'm outside right now. My thing yeah, with with Pierce 1469 01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:57,840 all like I don't why are we supposed to take him over like 1470 01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:03,320 Luther burden or a Mecca book? I mean, I guess you could argue 1471 01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:07,200 situation on the book 1, but like, I'm like, OK, so I'm I'm 1472 01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:11,160 betting I'm basically betting on a guy to kind of make his own 1473 01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:13,000 opportunity because I don't think anything's going to be 1474 01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:15,040 like totally handed to Pierce all, especially down the stretch 1475 01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:18,560 with you coming back. Like it's sort of a bet on 1476 01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:21,000 talent profile. He wasn't that great of a 1477 01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:23,120 prospect. You know, it's really bad on the 1478 01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:25,440 draft capital, but the draft capital matters less this year 1479 01:18:25,440 --> 01:18:27,720 than it did last year. We only get the one good game 1480 01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:31,000 last year. I'd rather just, I think bet on 1481 01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:34,760 burden, you know, like that's the range that I expect Pierce 1482 01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:39,200 all to be in. OK, you guys got to answer this 1483 01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:46,160 to me, which one of Ayuk, Pierce all or Jennings is most likely 1484 01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:48,960 to be Dante Pettis? Because Dante Pettis is always 1485 01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:51,680 the go to for me of a guy that Shanahan. 1486 01:18:52,440 --> 01:18:55,000 Yeah, it's it's Pierce all. Yeah. 1487 01:18:55,440 --> 01:18:58,400 Pierce had 1.31 yards per hour on last year and he struggled to 1488 01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:00,200 get on the field for the whole season. 1489 01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:05,440 Like, you know, and this is in a year where Brandon Iuke tore up 1490 01:19:05,440 --> 01:19:07,880 his knee and it was Debo's last year on the team. 1491 01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:14,040 So why are we why are we like excited? 1492 01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:18,160 Why are we taking him over first round receivers from this year? 1493 01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:22,040 I just don't really get it. It's not really couldn't work 1494 01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:26,120 but it just it's a weird price. Proof of concept has been 1495 01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:28,800 demonstrated. Let me let me be the non nerd 1496 01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:31,040 here. Just a couple a couple things. 1497 01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:33,400 I one, I think the argument of like just watch the pure self 1498 01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:36,480 film is actually stupid. But I think it is basically just 1499 01:19:36,480 --> 01:19:40,040 like he did get shot, which I feel like we actually haven't 1500 01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:41,800 mentioned yet. That's true, literally. 1501 01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:42,760 That's a good point. He did. 1502 01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:48,440 He did get shot in the sternum, so he missed a lot of workouts 1503 01:19:48,440 --> 01:19:50,760 and didn't play a lot. That's a. 1504 01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:56,120 That's a very fairpoint. We've seen Shanahan do more with 1505 01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:59,000 less, right? I mean, we've seen quite bad 1506 01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:03,080 players put up a lot of numbers. I think pure Sol's basically 1507 01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:06,560 fine. And I think that maybe the 1508 01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:09,800 difference that I have with you guys actually is like, I think 1509 01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:11,360 I've become like a pretty truther. 1510 01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:14,800 Like I think I'm actually. Like AI think I'm like a pretty 1511 01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:17,480 like that that boy nice. So I'm like, I don't know, man. 1512 01:20:17,480 --> 01:20:20,320 One of these guys probably scores 10 touchdowns and I want 1513 01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:25,160 to have like 17% of of all of them other than Iuke, who I just 1514 01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:29,600 for like ideological reasons. I'm, I couldn't be less of a 1515 01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:32,120 pretty truther, but I'm definitely a, a 49ers offense 1516 01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:35,440 truther. And like I last year we were 1517 01:20:35,440 --> 01:20:42,120 drafting Iuke and Debo in round two, if I recall correctly, not 1518 01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:44,680 not including myself in that week, Christian McCaffrey was 1519 01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:48,320 one O 1 and Kittle was going about where he's going now. 1520 01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:53,560 So like, if you think about it like comparison this year now, 1521 01:20:54,480 --> 01:20:58,160 we, we went from first overall McCaffrey to high to McCaffrey. 1522 01:20:58,160 --> 01:21:02,440 We went from round two IU can Debo to like 3 guys going in 1523 01:21:02,440 --> 01:21:05,840 round 678 like the and and Kittle's about the same. 1524 01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:09,520 So it's like we've we've changed it very much where it's actually 1525 01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:11,000 a much cheaper offense to invest in. 1526 01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:14,720 And I think pretty, even though I wouldn't consider myself a 1527 01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:17,840 pretty truther, I did think he was more impressive last year 1528 01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:20,640 than in in any previous year, despite the team not succeeding 1529 01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:22,960 and their defense done absolutely washed out. 1530 01:21:23,440 --> 01:21:25,520 So they're probably going to have to pass more than we would 1531 01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:28,920 have projected them to do going into last year since since our 1532 01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:30,600 defensive expectations should be way lower. 1533 01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:33,840 So I think you can be in on every single member of the 1534 01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:35,440 49ers. I don't think that you have to 1535 01:21:35,440 --> 01:21:38,560 choose one. The pure salt thing is just so 1536 01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:42,880 like I just want to know where these pure salt truthers came 1537 01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:44,760 from. I find it very confusing. 1538 01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:46,320 I liked him last year. They. 1539 01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:48,200 Came from just. Bob's production. 1540 01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:51,040 But this is like I I remember, I remember. 1541 01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:53,000 I did too. Pierce Hall was like a 1542 01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:54,560 standstill. I was like, I was like this. 1543 01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:56,680 I was like, this guy's analytical profile is pretty 1544 01:21:56,680 --> 01:21:58,880 garbage, but I kind of like him anyway and here's why. 1545 01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:00,680 And like I was talking like what I thought some of the strengths 1546 01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:05,200 were and and I I was into him and then like I don't, I'm not 1547 01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:07,320 going to hate on him for getting shot, but like to me, his rookie 1548 01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:10,080 years, like most were nothing like he's his stats were like 1549 01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:11,760 pretty bad. He barely played. 1550 01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:16,440 He had one really good game. He had he had like a he had a 5 1551 01:22:16,440 --> 01:22:20,600 game stretch where I believe he had one target Max per game. 1552 01:22:22,480 --> 01:22:25,520 Yeah. So like at most like at most I 1553 01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:28,040 should. That's right, Davis 00011. 1554 01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:31,440 Thank you. So like I, I don't understand. 1555 01:22:31,440 --> 01:22:34,960 There's no reason to me why I should view him massively better 1556 01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:37,240 after that season than I viewed him as a prospect. 1557 01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:39,240 Like at at worse, I should just view him the same. 1558 01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:42,880 So I, I just, I don't know why it's like, wow, like he didn't, 1559 01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:44,240 he didn't blow anybody's socks off. 1560 01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:46,640 And I don't understand how I went from like a pure Sol bull 1561 01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:50,800 to a pure Sol bear off of like. I mean, he, he is my most, he's 1562 01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:55,120 my most drafted wide receiver, which I guess should mean 1563 01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:56,960 something. It's just it's the part of the 1564 01:22:56,960 --> 01:22:59,480 draft where he's in. It's the it's the part of the 1565 01:22:59,480 --> 01:23:00,760 draft. Where he's in more than I 1566 01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:03,240 thought he would because. He yeah, you, you get, you get 1567 01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:05,280 to that point of the draft. I mean, there's the two Green 1568 01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:09,000 Bay guys who are like basically the most uncomfortable clicks on 1569 01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:10,800 the bullet and then I. Don't care. 1570 01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:13,040 I'm and Jayden Reid, I think we were a little too low and we 1571 01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:15,080 raced him yesterday. He was one where I was like, you 1572 01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:17,600 know, I'm probably just like scarred. 1573 01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:19,440 I think this is scar tissue. I mean to that. 1574 01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:21,840 That boy right there, that boy is nice. 1575 01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:26,840 I'm I'm back in on. I'm not. 1576 01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:28,200 I'm not. I'm not giving. 1577 01:23:28,200 --> 01:23:30,440 I am not giving. Jayden Reid, that boy. 1578 01:23:30,440 --> 01:23:32,080 Nice. That, that is crazy. 1579 01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:36,000 Dude he has like 1 of the nicest players of the literally Jayden. 1580 01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:38,920 Reid let him play. Williams on the Packers, he has 1581 01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:41,360 like, he's extremely efficient. He does great things every time 1582 01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:43,920 he touches the ball. I have no idea why you of all 1583 01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:46,000 people like wouldn't be into Jayden Reid. 1584 01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:48,480 Like all of your arguments about efficiency leading to role 1585 01:23:48,480 --> 01:23:50,800 increases, Like that's that's like, that's Jayden Reid 1586 01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:53,240 personified. He said Jayden Reid was like 1587 01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:56,480 actively bad after the second like. 1588 01:23:56,760 --> 01:23:59,520 He had the second highest passel rating in the entire NFL when he 1589 01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:02,880 was targeted. I mean that is like you are 1590 01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:04,960 torturing the data. Davis, Who do you think had a 1591 01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:07,280 higher yards per outrun? Jayden Reid or Jameson Williams 1592 01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:07,600 last. Year. 1593 01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:08,680 What do you mean I'm torturing the data? 1594 01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:12,400 I mean, I it's Jaden Reed. That's the only reason you're 1595 01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:14,280 asking. It's pretty easy to it's pretty, 1596 01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:17,520 pretty easy to do when you run. You know who also probably had a 1597 01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:19,440 good one? Ductavian Wicks because you ran 1598 01:24:19,440 --> 01:24:22,080 about. 7 rounds you like? How many routes do you think, 1599 01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:23,640 Jaden? Reed, you like Marvin Mims. 1600 01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:25,080 How? How can you be like? 1601 01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:26,760 I like Marvin Mims who runs like. 1602 01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:29,520 Yeah, because that boy, that boy is nice. 1603 01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:31,600 That's why I like him, because that boy is. 1604 01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:34,360 It's so much better than Marvin Mims. 1605 01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:40,000 Davis, I I don't know if you want to get into, well, you know 1606 01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:41,920 what, James and Williams are in a lot more routes than I 1607 01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:44,840 realized. Yeah, that's a, that's a full, 1608 01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:47,680 that's a full time player runs a four, three, maybe learn Pat. 1609 01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:53,080 I, I Davis is tight, if I may, I, I relate to it's like the 1610 01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:55,960 highlight where the guy just sort of runs away from everybody 1611 01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:59,960 and you Jameson Williams just runs and men's had that and 1612 01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:04,120 really maybe he didn't. But Jane Reed had 11.4 yards per 1613 01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:07,440 target and 2.2 yards per route. Run like this should be a player 1614 01:25:07,440 --> 01:25:09,520 that you like. Every other crappy player you 1615 01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:11,800 like has this. Profile I've learned, I've 1616 01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:14,760 learned this lesson with Marvin wins when you only run 47% of 1617 01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:16,480 the routes and you have like. You haven't learned that. 1618 01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:17,760 Effort. You haven't learned it at all, 1619 01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:19,400 Marvin wins. You just were Pro Bowl. 1620 01:25:19,480 --> 01:25:23,360 Wins is an 11th round pick. Yeah, that's the problem. 1621 01:25:24,280 --> 01:25:27,000 The argument you guys are giving me right now is if you like 1622 01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:29,400 Marvin Mims in the 11th, you're going to fucking love him in the 1623 01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:33,320 7th is what is what I'm hearing. And we're surprised you're not 1624 01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:38,080 taking that big. I, I, I, I have Jaden Reed 1625 01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:40,120 ranked right at ADP and I like taking him. 1626 01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:44,640 Obviously the big difference on these teams is if you, if, if 1627 01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:48,720 Lafleur got his way, they would run. 1628 01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:52,680 Would they run every down if it was up to Lafleur? 1629 01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:55,480 Like would they? Would they execute a true wing T 1630 01:25:55,480 --> 01:25:57,680 running every every all four downs? 1631 01:25:57,680 --> 01:25:59,240 They would. That to me, I think is a pretty 1632 01:25:59,240 --> 01:26:03,280 big difference. Golden over read by the way by 1633 01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:05,600 80P is a little higher. I'm that boy. 1634 01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:09,520 I'm I'm using that boy. Nice corollary there and going 1635 01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:11,360 golden, but I have them ranked literally. 1636 01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:16,160 Right back-to-back. 7470. I I don't because I'm an 1637 01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:18,760 ideologue. So I have Reed ranked at 72. 1638 01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:23,720 I have Matthew Golden at 85. I I have golden at 75, but but 1639 01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:26,080 he would be one of the guys that what I would say with Piersol 1640 01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:31,880 like, Hey, are you into rookies who we we have reasons to worry 1641 01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:35,320 might not be very good at all. How about one that we haven't 1642 01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:39,960 seen not play for a year? How that interests me more than 1643 01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:41,440 the guy who didn't play for a year. 1644 01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:45,480 How do you say that Jacob and I are both part of the slappy 1645 01:26:45,480 --> 01:26:48,760 tree, yet we're like basically on opposite sides of the slappy 1646 01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:50,160 tree? It's like we can't, we can't 1647 01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:54,080 find, we can't find one fast player to agree upon. 1648 01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:57,120 This Jayden rethink drives me crazy because like he's he's 1649 01:26:57,120 --> 01:27:00,360 like one of the most like non nerd players that I love. 1650 01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:01,960 Like he's like an efficiency bet. 1651 01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:05,240 And it's like the, the, the actual, I'm like, he's one of 1652 01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:07,440 the few guys I'm like, people need to get stuffed in a fucking 1653 01:27:07,440 --> 01:27:10,080 locker and drafted Jayden Reid. And sure enough. 1654 01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:12,000 He's a slot, Jacob. You can't. 1655 01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:15,480 You can't say he's like a football or football players, 1656 01:27:15,480 --> 01:27:17,000 football players. Do you want to know? 1657 01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:19,960 Do you want to know what it is that kind of disqualifies Jayden 1658 01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:22,200 Reid from the bat Boy? Nice group. 1659 01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:26,800 When he gets tackled, it it like he does not bounce right back 1660 01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:28,440 up. He gets tackled and he's kind of 1661 01:27:28,440 --> 01:27:32,360 like adjusting his shoulder pad. It's like, oh God, you know, 1662 01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:35,840 it's like Marvin Mims. Marvin Mims will will get 1663 01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:38,840 tackled by safety and then just pop right back up and do the 1664 01:27:38,840 --> 01:27:40,200 first down point. Punch you in. 1665 01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:42,960 The yeah, you know why Davis? Because he's about to go sit on 1666 01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:44,480 the bench for the next two snaps. 1667 01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:47,560 So is Jaden Reed. So is Jaden Reed. 1668 01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:50,680 Jaden Reed, Those tags. Romeo Dobbs to come in for him. 1669 01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:54,040 Marvin Mims, Just just Saunders off the field, get some 1670 01:27:54,040 --> 01:27:55,880 Gatorade. Just watch his next play. 1671 01:27:56,680 --> 01:27:58,760 Like, yeah, it's easy for him to pop right back up. 1672 01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:02,320 It's about to get a break. Now is this is this true that 1673 01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:04,480 that he put on weight? Has Jane Reid put on weight? 1674 01:28:04,480 --> 01:28:06,360 Because that could that could sway me. 1675 01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:08,600 I don't want him to put on weight. 1676 01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:12,000 I never, I, I never want like players who rely on athleticism 1677 01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:15,840 to be putting on weight like Devon HN put on weight last 1678 01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:17,320 year. I didn't like that experience. 1679 01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:21,200 Yeah, ended up ended up being that good for HN to put on 1680 01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:24,520 weight, by the way. I didn't like it. 1681 01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:28,480 It was really bad for Pollard. Pollard really bad? 1682 01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:30,400 Yeah. Something like pollen weight? 1683 01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:34,560 Don't break your ankle and then put on weight. 1684 01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:35,640 That's my. Kind of weight? 1685 01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:36,680 What kind of weight? Yeah. 1686 01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:39,800 The only player who has ever been good to put on weight was, 1687 01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:43,440 ironically, Ronald Jones. Even then it wasn't that good. 1688 01:28:43,440 --> 01:28:47,560 He he had like he managed to like eke out that one season, 1689 01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:49,000 but then it was over. It's. 1690 01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:51,320 Now Lamar Jackson. That's one more season that he 1691 01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:52,840 would've. Had it's. 1692 01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:54,280 It is put on. Weight he made the deal with the 1693 01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:56,600 devil he made It was like, Give me this one year. 1694 01:28:57,280 --> 01:28:59,920 Lamar Jackson put on weight and then a year later he's like, no, 1695 01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:01,160 I'm done. Ronald's house. 1696 01:29:04,440 --> 01:29:08,080 Yeah. All right, boys, last call. 1697 01:29:09,560 --> 01:29:11,880 Oh, I, I have to hang on. I have to have to do it. 1698 01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:15,040 I I'm I'm taking someone fun for change. 1699 01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:19,320 He just entered 200 Alec Ayumanor, Tennessee Titans. 1700 01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:23,480 Live nice. Do you do you like his prospects 1701 01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:24,520 or is he just? Good. 1702 01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:29,000 I mean, I really I really liked him pre draft like he now went 1703 01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:33,720 in the what was it fourth round or fifth round, fifth round, the 1704 01:29:33,720 --> 01:29:36,120 NFL draft. So like he's now probably Seth 1705 01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:39,840 Williams, but I I liked him a lot pre draft. 1706 01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:42,440 I had him I think is my wide receiver 8IN the class pre 1707 01:29:42,440 --> 01:29:46,480 draft, which which is obviously wrong, has like earned a ton of 1708 01:29:46,480 --> 01:29:48,360 targets. The the issue with his profile 1709 01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:51,040 predominantly is like was an inefficient player in college, 1710 01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:53,440 but Ashton Daniels, like the worst college quarterback ever. 1711 01:29:53,440 --> 01:29:55,120 I think he had 6.2 yards per attempt. 1712 01:29:56,280 --> 01:29:58,200 So he's like the kind of bet that I would like to make. 1713 01:29:58,200 --> 01:30:01,480 I really wish he went on day 2, but he'll have an opportunity in 1714 01:30:01,480 --> 01:30:03,560 Tennessee, man. Like it's Calvin Ridley is 1715 01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:06,320 Manning one of the slots? I'm sure Tyler Lockett will 1716 01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:11,720 start like week 1, but that's like a pretty movable piece with 1717 01:30:11,720 --> 01:30:14,280 Tyler Lockett and I, I have no idea who the wider 03 is going 1718 01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:18,160 to be so. And is he not from Saskatchewan? 1719 01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:20,800 He's. Canadian. 1720 01:30:21,240 --> 01:30:23,640 He's definitely Canadian. I can't tell you where in 1721 01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:25,920 Kennedy's from, but I'm going to look that up right now. 1722 01:30:26,160 --> 01:30:29,920 OK, Medicine Hat, AB there. You go Medicine Hat, AB Love it. 1723 01:30:30,360 --> 01:30:31,800 Yeah. Pat. 1724 01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:35,040 Or rather Davis. What if Pat Bryant's name were 1725 01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:37,600 Alec Ayo Manor? Would you like him that much 1726 01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:39,200 more? 11th round pick? 1727 01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:42,040 Probably yeah, in in best of all mania. 1728 01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:45,680 All right, I I don't think this one will get taken, but this 1729 01:30:45,680 --> 01:30:47,920 works with the little stack I have going because I have no row 1730 01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:51,280 in Horton. I'm going to do Elijah Arroyo. 1731 01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:52,880 I I you. Already have him? 1732 01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:56,520 I. Already have him? 1733 01:30:57,080 --> 01:30:58,120 All right. Good news. 1734 01:30:58,440 --> 01:30:59,320 You have him. Good news. 1735 01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:02,040 Savion Williams. Savion Williams, What we're 1736 01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:04,200 doing the that boy. Nice discourse. 1737 01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:07,560 I will take Savion Williams, a version of Jayden Reid that 1738 01:31:07,560 --> 01:31:11,080 weighs 220 lbs. I've just negatively polarized 1739 01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:15,080 David into completely wasting a pick by by talking positively 1740 01:31:15,080 --> 01:31:18,080 about Jayden Reid. It's true. 1741 01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:19,200 It's true. You did. 1742 01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:24,360 Mine is boring if you want the. OK, yeah, I'll take. 1743 01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:25,800 I'm. I'm looking to see if it's been, 1744 01:31:26,200 --> 01:31:28,440 if he's been taken so far. I don't see him. 1745 01:31:28,440 --> 01:31:29,520 Just give me one SEC. Don't. 1746 01:31:29,760 --> 01:31:33,480 Let me down here. All right, so this is kind of 1747 01:31:33,480 --> 01:31:36,680 boring, but I don't see anyone else really jumping out. 1748 01:31:37,440 --> 01:31:39,280 Uh oh. And I got to stack it up. 1749 01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:41,840 I got to stack that bitch up. I'm going to take Theo Johnson. 1750 01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:44,280 Oh good. That. 1751 01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:48,320 That's literally the most boring last call selection you can 1752 01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:51,160 make, yeah. But I think he is a draftable 1753 01:31:51,160 --> 01:31:53,320 tight end. You can, you can go to the end 1754 01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:57,240 and he's, he's someone that I, I am willing to, to actually 1755 01:31:57,240 --> 01:32:01,200 draft. You, you made me nervous. 1756 01:32:01,880 --> 01:32:03,760 It's boring and I'm going to stack. 1757 01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:06,960 I thought you were taking my guy Daniel Jones. 1758 01:32:08,360 --> 01:32:10,040 Oh, good pick. Yeah. 1759 01:32:10,160 --> 01:32:11,080 Good. Good Rest. 1760 01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:12,120 Good. Rest, Mike. 1761 01:32:12,440 --> 01:32:13,840 Good. Rep Oh my God. 1762 01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:18,320 Two 34234. I have them ranked ahead of 1763 01:32:18,320 --> 01:32:20,120 Anthony Richardson by the way, if anyone's. 1764 01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:22,600 Drafting Wow thinking. About Do you want to talk about 1765 01:32:22,600 --> 01:32:24,360 someone who's given up their principles? 1766 01:32:24,360 --> 01:32:27,560 Jacob Jacob Ranking Daniel Jones out of Richardson is. 1767 01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:30,680 Somebody. Yeah, I don't even think that's 1768 01:32:30,680 --> 01:32:32,400 the heart once. That's just that's. 1769 01:32:32,480 --> 01:32:34,880 Not what I want. That's not what I want. 1770 01:32:35,040 --> 01:32:37,880 That's a broken Pulse fan rank. That is not what I want. 1771 01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:39,200 That's just what. I where you at? 1772 01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:41,840 Where you at on the because I was reviewing the ranks 1773 01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:46,240 yesterday and one of my takeaways is that like the 1774 01:32:46,240 --> 01:32:48,920 market's been kind of low on the Colts guys and we've been a 1775 01:32:49,040 --> 01:32:51,440 little bit higher than market on the Colts guys. 1776 01:32:51,440 --> 01:32:52,720 I'm. Higher on the Colts guys cuz I 1777 01:32:52,720 --> 01:32:54,520 think Daniel Jones is gonna play the whole season. 1778 01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:57,640 OK, Yeah, my take away after yesterday was that we're 1779 01:32:57,640 --> 01:33:01,200 actually not high enough on the Colts guys and that they might 1780 01:33:01,200 --> 01:33:04,680 represent a pretty big and I include Pittman, which is like 1781 01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:07,000 rare for me on top of the guy. I know. 1782 01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:09,040 I'm finally in on Michael Pittman. 1783 01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:11,200 I'm finally in, Yeah. In my life. 1784 01:33:11,440 --> 01:33:14,720 I'm in on Michael Pittman, Yeah. So I mean and I think Mitchell 1785 01:33:14,720 --> 01:33:17,600 gives you some upside late like Pierce is the only one I on. 1786 01:33:17,640 --> 01:33:21,800 Track well, I don't really take, I think I think Pierce is 1787 01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:24,600 actually a pretty big value. I mean, he's a great pick for 1788 01:33:24,600 --> 01:33:26,280 the best ball format. I think he's good. 1789 01:33:26,320 --> 01:33:28,000 Do you think his routes are safe for Mitchell? 1790 01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:31,320 He was the most effective player on the team last year. 1791 01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:34,760 Yeah, I think his Reds are safe. Michael Pittman, wide receiver, 1792 01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:35,880 5th. Mitchell's a bad pick. 1793 01:33:36,760 --> 01:33:38,080 I haven't. Taken anything I haven't. 1794 01:33:38,360 --> 01:33:40,320 Mitchell is a Mitchell is a good pick. 1795 01:33:41,400 --> 01:33:44,560 I mean, I, I take Mitchell. The thing with Pierce, like I, I 1796 01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:47,520 get that he's like not fun for fantasy and I never get to have 1797 01:33:47,520 --> 01:33:49,360 this perspective. So it's unique with Alec Pierce, 1798 01:33:49,360 --> 01:33:52,360 but like he, he feels like a crucial role on the team. 1799 01:33:52,360 --> 01:33:54,120 He is by far the best field stretcher. 1800 01:33:54,120 --> 01:33:56,200 He's very, very good at what he does. 1801 01:33:56,560 --> 01:33:57,880 He's also a really good blocker there. 1802 01:33:57,880 --> 01:34:00,840 There's just no, there's no reason why they would want to 1803 01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:02,520 take him off the field. It wouldn't make sense. 1804 01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:04,680 It would like annoy me greatly as a Colts fan if they took him 1805 01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:09,960 off the field, but I so I haven't been as in on Mitchell, 1806 01:34:09,960 --> 01:34:12,240 but he has three-way contingent upside and he'll still have a 1807 01:34:12,240 --> 01:34:14,640 role where they like scheme him up some stuff. 1808 01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:18,120 I I think I'm ahead of every on ADP of every Colt, though, If I 1809 01:34:18,120 --> 01:34:20,280 just let me let me just command F real quick. 1810 01:34:20,680 --> 01:34:24,280 Yeah, like I have Josh Downs at 81. 1811 01:34:24,800 --> 01:34:28,720 I have Kitman at 90. Yeah, I think I'm actually 1812 01:34:28,720 --> 01:34:30,840 behind ADP on Warren. I have them at 1:34. 1813 01:34:31,200 --> 01:34:35,880 Downs, we got up to 88, Pitman is at 99, but like we're still, 1814 01:34:35,880 --> 01:34:38,560 I mean, that's still ahead of ADP on both guys. 1815 01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:42,840 And I tend to swing a little bit more from from ADP and then 1816 01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:44,800 like, yeah, Alec Pierce, I haven't had ADP, I haven't had 1817 01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:47,440 162. I have AD and I at 183. 1818 01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:51,720 But I think, I think, I think that it's going to become, I 1819 01:34:51,720 --> 01:34:52,920 could be wrong. Like it's not like I have any 1820 01:34:52,920 --> 01:34:55,720 inside information, but I, I think it's going to become 1821 01:34:55,720 --> 01:35:00,360 apparent in middle of August that Daniel Jones is the plan at 1822 01:35:00,360 --> 01:35:03,640 quarterback and Anthony Richardson is, is not the plan 1823 01:35:03,800 --> 01:35:05,840 in any capacity. And I think that that's going to 1824 01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:08,560 positively impact their ADP's. So we know if he's called 1825 01:35:08,680 --> 01:35:11,160 Pittman yet texted him, is that still? 1826 01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:15,040 Not sure I mean, I could be wrong and I hope that I am like 1827 01:35:15,040 --> 01:35:17,920 I I hope that it's we get into training camp and it's Anthony 1828 01:35:17,920 --> 01:35:21,120 Richardson looks great. You know, he's he's completely 1829 01:35:22,880 --> 01:35:25,200 sticks to his his accuracies. He's going to be the quarterback 1830 01:35:25,200 --> 01:35:26,600 of the future. Great attitude. 1831 01:35:26,600 --> 01:35:29,680 All that stuff like that would be that that's the only way that 1832 01:35:29,680 --> 01:35:32,800 this team has any upside. But I I just think it's going to 1833 01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:36,600 be like the first two day, OK, they're trading back and forth 1834 01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:39,440 wraps with the ones Daniel Jones looked considerably better 1835 01:35:39,440 --> 01:35:41,160 today. Anthony Richardson airmailed 1836 01:35:41,160 --> 01:35:42,520 several 2 yard outs. What? 1837 01:35:44,760 --> 01:35:46,920 What do you think the odds are that Daniel Jones had the 1838 01:35:46,920 --> 01:35:53,240 starter in Week 17? Like 68%. 1839 01:35:55,080 --> 01:35:57,560 Higher or lower than week 1? Lower than Week 1. 1840 01:35:58,520 --> 01:36:01,000 Higher than Week 1. I think higher than week 1. 1841 01:36:01,680 --> 01:36:04,320 I I was thinking it was like 5050 because Jones is bad enough 1842 01:36:04,320 --> 01:36:06,360 to get benched for Richardson later. 1843 01:36:07,120 --> 01:36:10,200 I think I think the I think that the most likely option to be 1844 01:36:10,200 --> 01:36:13,840 honest is the Daniel Jones starts the season and then 1845 01:36:13,840 --> 01:36:15,920 either gets hurt or is benched for Richardson. 1846 01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:20,840 Richardson gets like his last chance is probably 100% and then 1847 01:36:20,840 --> 01:36:23,560 Jones comes back in and then finishes the season. 1848 01:36:25,400 --> 01:36:26,480 I almost thought it was the opposite. 1849 01:36:26,480 --> 01:36:29,920 I thought Richardson would start as like the final. 1850 01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:34,360 Like, OK, you did enough to to beat out this bomb in camp, but 1851 01:36:34,360 --> 01:36:37,520 wait, it's a short leash. He gets benched for Jones. 1852 01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:39,680 Jones is so bad they go back to Richardson. 1853 01:36:39,680 --> 01:36:42,440 Everyone gets fired. I liked him. 1854 01:36:42,560 --> 01:36:44,960 They're both bad and Riley. Leonard starts to speak 17. 1855 01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:49,920 I think Richardson is tough to put back in once you make that 1856 01:36:49,920 --> 01:36:51,840 move in the 1st place. Oh. 1857 01:36:51,880 --> 01:36:55,960 Well, we we did it last year. Yeah, that's true. 1858 01:36:57,160 --> 01:36:59,480 It's becoming more common. I mean, Bryce Young, you know, 1859 01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:01,640 Bryce, that's right. Bryce Young. 1860 01:37:02,320 --> 01:37:03,600 That's our accident. Changed his life. 1861 01:37:05,160 --> 01:37:09,360 I I just like, I don't know man, this it's the, the plan for 1862 01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:12,280 these first psych in this year is very simple and it is like 1863 01:37:12,280 --> 01:37:15,280 make the playoffs or enjoy unemployment. 1864 01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:19,360 And I just think he looks at this and he's like, I've won 1865 01:37:19,360 --> 01:37:21,920 games with Minshew and Flacco. I can definitely win games with 1866 01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:24,360 Daniel Jones, but I I don't know if I can do anything with 1867 01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:27,560 Anthony Richardson. But what I think is happening 1868 01:37:27,560 --> 01:37:30,880 with the wide receivers is that we're spending a lot of time 1869 01:37:31,120 --> 01:37:33,800 thinking about who starts at quarterback because it's it's 1870 01:37:33,800 --> 01:37:36,600 kind of fascinating and it's like a puzzle that we we just 1871 01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:37,600 don't like. We have really enough 1872 01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:39,600 information. Fascinating isn't the word I'd 1873 01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:41,640 use, but. Yeah, well, it maybe not where 1874 01:37:41,640 --> 01:37:43,480 you're sitting. But soul destroying. 1875 01:37:43,640 --> 01:37:48,360 Soul destroying, yeah, sure. But it's it's like it's a very 1876 01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:54,320 difficult situation to predict. But what it's leading to, I 1877 01:37:54,320 --> 01:37:56,600 think is just like that uncertainty bleeding into the 1878 01:37:56,600 --> 01:37:58,520 wide receivers where it's like, well, I don't want these guys 1879 01:37:58,520 --> 01:38:00,680 because I don't know how it's going to play out a quarterback, 1880 01:38:00,680 --> 01:38:03,360 but it's like it's going to play out somehow it the. 1881 01:38:03,360 --> 01:38:05,120 Same thing that's happening with the Browns. 1882 01:38:05,800 --> 01:38:07,480 Well, no, I don't think it's like the Browns. 1883 01:38:07,480 --> 01:38:08,640 I, I don't think it's like the Browns. 1884 01:38:08,640 --> 01:38:13,560 I think the, the Browns, there are like no good options like 1885 01:38:13,560 --> 01:38:15,080 this. This could be the most likely. 1886 01:38:15,080 --> 01:38:16,880 The Browns are just a true dumpster fire. 1887 01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:21,080 But Daniel Jones playing for the Colts, it should be OK. 1888 01:38:21,080 --> 01:38:22,800 Like they've been productive with Gardner Minshew. 1889 01:38:23,080 --> 01:38:25,160 When I say they, I mean these receivers have been productive 1890 01:38:25,160 --> 01:38:26,800 with Gardner Minshew, with Joe Flacco. 1891 01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:29,280 Like, they don't need some great quarterback. 1892 01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:32,960 They just need like, they need Richardson to be playing well 1893 01:38:32,960 --> 01:38:34,760 enough to hold off, I feel, I feel like. 1894 01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:37,600 That is not my experience with Daniel Jones. 1895 01:38:37,720 --> 01:38:39,440 I feel like my I. Think people are? 1896 01:38:39,640 --> 01:38:42,800 Is different. I think people like, again, like 1897 01:38:42,840 --> 01:38:45,880 I, I don't want to ever see Daniel Jones play a game for the 1898 01:38:45,880 --> 01:38:47,520 Colts. My preference as a fan would 1899 01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:49,800 obviously be that Richardson plays and plays well. 1900 01:38:49,800 --> 01:38:51,120 That's, that's the upside scenario. 1901 01:38:51,400 --> 01:38:54,200 But I think if Jones plays, I think he will play. 1902 01:38:54,760 --> 01:38:57,920 I think he's going to be completely fine like this. 1903 01:38:57,920 --> 01:39:00,280 This team is a really good setup for a quarterback. 1904 01:39:00,280 --> 01:39:01,800 It's a shame that Richardson sucks so much. 1905 01:39:01,800 --> 01:39:03,720 Like Stikon is a very good play caller. 1906 01:39:03,960 --> 01:39:05,520 They're going to have a good offensive line. 1907 01:39:05,720 --> 01:39:07,920 They have more good wide receivers than they need. 1908 01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:10,080 They don't have like an elite wide receiver, but they have 4 1909 01:39:10,080 --> 01:39:11,880 pretty good ones. They're going to have a good 1910 01:39:11,880 --> 01:39:13,160 tight end. Now they have Taylor hurt 1911 01:39:13,160 --> 01:39:15,880 running back like this is a really good spot. 1912 01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:19,240 Jones is going to be protected. They're going to have smart play 1913 01:39:19,240 --> 01:39:20,600 calling. They're going to do like a ton 1914 01:39:20,600 --> 01:39:23,560 of RP OS He's he's going to be put in a position to succeed. 1915 01:39:23,560 --> 01:39:27,240 I I think that like the idea that Daniel Jones is like worse 1916 01:39:27,240 --> 01:39:30,120 than Gardner Minshew by some significant amount is like not 1917 01:39:30,120 --> 01:39:32,360 accurate to me. Like I, I think people actually 1918 01:39:32,760 --> 01:39:35,680 quarterback ever he can at least be Gardner Minshew. 1919 01:39:35,680 --> 01:39:37,560 I'm pretty confident he can be Gardner Minshew. 1920 01:39:38,040 --> 01:39:39,960 Jones is toast. Joe Flacco is so much better 1921 01:39:39,960 --> 01:39:42,200 than Daniel Jones like. No, he's not Flacco. 1922 01:39:42,680 --> 01:39:45,040 Flacco. He's for fantasy. 1923 01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:46,920 He is, though not even in argument. 1924 01:39:47,720 --> 01:39:49,880 Sure, because they have like a weird thing where somehow every 1925 01:39:49,880 --> 01:39:52,120 time Joe Flacco plays they're like, I guess we have to throw 1926 01:39:52,120 --> 01:39:53,400 50 times. I don't know what. 1927 01:39:53,560 --> 01:39:56,240 I don't know why that became an agreed upon thing, but that 1928 01:39:56,240 --> 01:40:00,080 became a thing. Because Flacco's so old that he 1929 01:40:00,120 --> 01:40:03,360 he believes that RPO is is is trickery. 1930 01:40:03,480 --> 01:40:05,240 He's like, I think RPO is dishonest. 1931 01:40:05,240 --> 01:40:06,800 You should just line up and beat Amanda man. 1932 01:40:07,840 --> 01:40:10,160 It's also that we just like weren't capable of running the 1933 01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:13,960 ball with Flacco because he was like so immobile the the teams 1934 01:40:13,960 --> 01:40:17,040 just would you can actually have a running game with him because 1935 01:40:17,040 --> 01:40:20,600 you can't do any RP OS so you just have to call a bunch of 1936 01:40:20,600 --> 01:40:22,720 throws. But I don't know, I think Daniel 1937 01:40:22,720 --> 01:40:25,880 Jones is not that bad of all I'm saying like he was he was 1938 01:40:25,880 --> 01:40:28,520 actually pretty decent for the Giants. 1939 01:40:28,520 --> 01:40:31,760 What was it 3 years ago? Then he tore his ACL the next 1940 01:40:31,760 --> 01:40:34,000 year. And then like last year, he he 1941 01:40:34,000 --> 01:40:36,760 was, he was obviously not good, but like the situation's way 1942 01:40:36,760 --> 01:40:37,720 better than the end of the Giants. 1943 01:40:37,720 --> 01:40:39,880 The online's way better. They have way more receivers 1944 01:40:39,880 --> 01:40:43,000 other than just Malik Neighbors and Wandell Robinson, who has 1945 01:40:43,000 --> 01:40:45,800 140 targets and couldn't clear 700 yards. 1946 01:40:46,400 --> 01:40:50,880 He's still in the frame framing of high first round pick that 1947 01:40:50,880 --> 01:40:54,480 was, you know, over picks and then extended by the Giants and 1948 01:40:54,480 --> 01:40:55,760 all the spotlight on the New York play. 1949 01:40:55,920 --> 01:40:59,160 Yeah, I I agree he's better. He's he's not as bad as they 1950 01:40:59,160 --> 01:41:01,320 say. And and some of the ways that 1951 01:41:01,320 --> 01:41:04,400 he's bad don't matter to me for this team. 1952 01:41:04,400 --> 01:41:09,040 Like the guys I care about are are downs and Pittman primarily. 1953 01:41:09,040 --> 01:41:10,720 And then you're talking dart throws after that. 1954 01:41:10,960 --> 01:41:16,120 But the two the two main guys are are shallow guys or they're 1955 01:41:16,120 --> 01:41:18,120 they're intermediate guys. At least they're not deep 1956 01:41:18,120 --> 01:41:20,320 threats like the you know, I think some of the criticism on 1957 01:41:20,320 --> 01:41:23,640 Jones is like a Brown is deep ball ability and stuff. 1958 01:41:24,600 --> 01:41:27,640 And it's like get the ball like RPO, get the ball out quickly to 1959 01:41:27,640 --> 01:41:30,080 Downs and Pitman. If you can execute that stuff, 1960 01:41:31,000 --> 01:41:34,160 then we're cooking. Because the bottom line is that 1961 01:41:34,160 --> 01:41:37,600 Downs is just a much, much more talented receiver than the guys 1962 01:41:37,600 --> 01:41:40,280 he goes around. Downs is a really good receiver. 1963 01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:44,120 Pitman is as much as I don't like Pitman, he's better than 1964 01:41:44,120 --> 01:41:46,400 the receivers he gets drafted near like he is. 1965 01:41:47,040 --> 01:41:50,720 So I just get the upside of like these guys are better than the 1966 01:41:50,720 --> 01:41:52,360 player. Someone use that with Hollywood 1967 01:41:52,720 --> 01:41:54,680 later, like he's so much better than the players around him. 1968 01:41:54,880 --> 01:41:59,000 I kind of don't agree, but I think that these guys are the 1969 01:41:59,000 --> 01:42:01,840 downs is just like a much better receiver than the guys he gets 1970 01:42:01,840 --> 01:42:03,520 drafted near. Pittman's a much better receiver 1971 01:42:03,520 --> 01:42:05,080 than the guys he he gets drafted near. 1972 01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:07,800 And so like I don't know how it's going to like it could be 1973 01:42:07,800 --> 01:42:10,160 Richardson taking a step. Maybe it could be Jones like, 1974 01:42:10,200 --> 01:42:15,920 but I think like I I do like getting to bet on talent here 1975 01:42:16,480 --> 01:42:18,240 and something has to break my way. 1976 01:42:18,240 --> 01:42:20,920 I don't know what it is. The market doesn't know why what 1977 01:42:20,920 --> 01:42:22,720 what it is either, which is why these guys are going where 1978 01:42:22,720 --> 01:42:23,840 they're going. Yeah. 1979 01:42:25,000 --> 01:42:26,720 And especially in our game, because it makes them harder to 1980 01:42:26,720 --> 01:42:28,720 stack. So, so people are like, like, I 1981 01:42:28,720 --> 01:42:30,600 don't want to take a cold. I've had that experience where 1982 01:42:30,600 --> 01:42:33,400 if I, if I don't have stacks lined up already, I'm like, I 1983 01:42:33,400 --> 01:42:35,320 really want to take dams or Pittman, but I, I don't want to 1984 01:42:35,320 --> 01:42:37,360 stack either of them. So then it's like, what do I do? 1985 01:42:37,360 --> 01:42:40,080 I, I'm going to end up being very, very high on them though. 1986 01:42:40,080 --> 01:42:42,280 I'll probably be above 20% on each of those guys. 1987 01:42:42,320 --> 01:42:44,520 I don't think you need to. Don't feel obligated to stack it 1988 01:42:44,520 --> 01:42:46,640 at all. Like part of part of the appeal 1989 01:42:46,640 --> 01:42:49,160 to me is that like, I don't have to figure out how this plays 1990 01:42:49,160 --> 01:42:50,800 out. I just get to bet on these these 1991 01:42:50,800 --> 01:42:52,800 underpriced talents. Yeah. 1992 01:42:53,200 --> 01:42:58,000 Duval and the King's Horses, Indianapolis, Jacksonville in 1993 01:42:58,000 --> 01:43:00,040 Week 17. All right. 1994 01:43:01,080 --> 01:43:03,200 All the King's horses not. OK, so. 1995 01:43:03,480 --> 01:43:05,280 And the King's horse. The King's horse, yeah. 1996 01:43:05,280 --> 01:43:06,080 That makes. No, you're right. 1997 01:43:06,480 --> 01:43:08,120 That makes more sense. That's good. 1998 01:43:08,280 --> 01:43:09,360 That's good. Let's use that. 1999 01:43:10,160 --> 01:43:12,360 We did. We did use that and we will 2000 01:43:12,360 --> 01:43:16,280 continue to use that on on future on future episodes. 2001 01:43:16,800 --> 01:43:19,240 Of all the King's horses. Yep. 2002 01:43:20,560 --> 01:43:22,040 All right boys, what do you have this week? 2003 01:43:22,720 --> 01:43:25,160 Davis? You, you're a a trooper today 2004 01:43:25,240 --> 01:43:28,360 outside you've got the power outage making it work. 2005 01:43:29,040 --> 01:43:31,160 Not the day you'd want to have an 8 hour stream or anything. 2006 01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:37,840 No swole cast in 10 minutes. And then I I this crane, you'll 2007 01:43:37,840 --> 01:43:41,080 love this. Guess which former Rotaviz 2008 01:43:41,080 --> 01:43:43,600 favorite running back I'm recording a podcast with this 2009 01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:45,480 afternoon? Bishop Sankey. 2010 01:43:46,920 --> 01:43:50,200 More, more Rotovisian than that, in the sense that we were the 2011 01:43:50,200 --> 01:43:51,720 only people on Earth who cared about him. 2012 01:43:52,320 --> 01:43:56,680 Eno, Benjamin. Still still had too much of a 2013 01:43:57,040 --> 01:43:58,480 moment in the sun. Really. 2014 01:43:58,720 --> 01:44:01,360 OK. South Dakota State. 2015 01:44:03,400 --> 01:44:06,480 Oh, shoot. But not Pierre Strong. 2016 01:44:07,560 --> 01:44:09,720 Not Pierre Strong before Pierce. This would have been 2017 01:44:09,720 --> 01:44:11,720 legitimately before your time, Jacob, I think. 2018 01:44:11,720 --> 01:44:15,600 Oh. I'm blanking. 2019 01:44:17,280 --> 01:44:18,880 I don't know me, but I have. No. 2020 01:44:19,840 --> 01:44:23,280 Idea Zach Zener. Zach Zener. 2021 01:44:23,320 --> 01:44:25,400 Oh my God. I'm I'm. 2022 01:44:25,400 --> 01:44:27,480 Recording that he had sort of an Eno moment, didn't he? 2023 01:44:27,480 --> 01:44:31,120 Didn't he have a Zeno moment? Scored a scored, he had a good 2024 01:44:31,120 --> 01:44:32,800 game. He got to start for the Lions 2025 01:44:33,280 --> 01:44:36,160 and scored a touchdown. Davis if you start a pod with 2026 01:44:36,160 --> 01:44:37,600 Zach Zener. Like that would. 2027 01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:41,240 Really feel like going full circle. 2028 01:44:41,640 --> 01:44:46,400 He. He runs a performance center, 2029 01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:50,120 like he's super into like the Huberman, like the research and 2030 01:44:50,120 --> 01:44:52,760 the sunlight and shit. So I'm actually really excited 2031 01:44:52,760 --> 01:44:54,200 to talk to him. Perfect. 2032 01:44:54,200 --> 01:44:55,920 You're outside. Sweet. 2033 01:44:59,120 --> 01:45:00,640 Jacob, how about how about you, you guys? 2034 01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:05,920 Jacob beat that. I can't beat it. 2035 01:45:05,920 --> 01:45:06,560 I. Can't beat. 2036 01:45:08,280 --> 01:45:11,640 It dynasty points on tonight. As always, best ball ranks are 2037 01:45:11,640 --> 01:45:14,840 now live up on thinking about thinking I'll get continue to 2038 01:45:14,840 --> 01:45:18,160 get updated on a on a least a weekly basis. 2039 01:45:18,880 --> 01:45:20,880 We'll have more best ball contact coming out soon and 2040 01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:22,880 yeah, stay tuned. Pat. 2041 01:45:24,200 --> 01:45:28,440 Yeah, legendary upside got. I've been kicking around some 2042 01:45:28,440 --> 01:45:30,960 thoughts on what we talked about the start of the show, kind of 2043 01:45:30,960 --> 01:45:34,840 like the the draft landscape, so I might get a piece up on that 2044 01:45:34,840 --> 01:45:37,400 soon. And best ball rankings for 2045 01:45:37,400 --> 01:45:40,040 underdog DraftKings? We've got dynamic rankings 2046 01:45:40,040 --> 01:45:42,040 legendaryupside.com/sidekick. Check it out. 2047 01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:45,400 Triple header for me today, starting with this show, ADP 2048 01:45:45,400 --> 01:45:48,000 chasing WGR and Buffalo three to seven. 2049 01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:50,120 I'll have Warren Sharp on at 4:00 Eastern. 2050 01:45:50,560 --> 01:45:55,840 And then tonight I'm on the FFPC network to commentate on a big 2051 01:45:55,840 --> 01:45:58,640 gorilla draft. Saucing the draft. 2052 01:45:58,640 --> 01:46:00,760 Is that what we still say or is that yesterday's? 2053 01:46:01,480 --> 01:46:04,560 In the sauce. Saucing is only if you're being. 2054 01:46:06,280 --> 01:46:07,200 Rude. You have to be rude, 2055 01:46:07,280 --> 01:46:10,160 intentionally sarcastic. And horrible and harsh, like 2056 01:46:10,520 --> 01:46:12,920 like that restaurant in Chicago. What's the one? 2057 01:46:14,480 --> 01:46:15,960 Or they're mean to you on purpose. 2058 01:46:17,120 --> 01:46:19,400 Oh, it's wieners. The Wiener dot there's like. 2059 01:46:19,920 --> 01:46:23,800 Wiener no. Something some I, I don't. 2060 01:46:23,800 --> 01:46:26,560 Think it would be my my soup? Soup Nazis. 2061 01:46:26,560 --> 01:46:27,880 For sure, yeah. Yeah. 2062 01:46:28,080 --> 01:46:29,400 Got it. Soup Nazi for sure. 2063 01:46:30,200 --> 01:46:31,880 That might not be what you get for. 2064 01:46:31,880 --> 01:46:33,000 Me tonight. Ed Debevx. 2065 01:46:33,000 --> 01:46:36,720 Ed Debevx. All right. 2066 01:46:37,520 --> 01:46:39,400 Thank you, guys. Thanks everybody for watching 2067 01:46:39,400 --> 01:46:41,320 and listening. Ship chasing tomorrow, by the 2068 01:46:41,320 --> 01:46:43,360 way. Thursday. 2069 01:46:44,320 --> 01:46:45,680 Thursday. Thursday, Thursday. 2070 01:46:45,680 --> 01:46:47,520 It's Thanks. OK. 2071 01:46:48,280 --> 01:46:51,000 Thanks for watching, listening. Mike, Pat, Jacob Davis. 2072 01:46:51,000 --> 01:46:51,720 We'll see you next week.