To man-to-man tonight. Been Gratz with the much
deserved by week here. But we got Pat.
We got Pete. How we doing path?
Doing good. How you doing?
I'm doing good. I'm doing good.
I was in, was in California last weekend with my buddies.
So always a little slow recovering after taking the
red-eye back getting in Monday morning at 5 a.m. but now I'm
feeling myself again. I know the feeling yeah,
feeling. This one was actually I feel
like generally when I've done those red eyes, you know, from
Vegas and they'll normally be like a 10 or 11 p.m. flight and
you'll get in at like, 6:30 or 7:00 in the morning.
This one was in earlier red-eye, so I got in at 5 a.m. and he
even landed a little earlier. So I was actually able to sleep.
Five or six hours before even having to do stuff on ya on
Monday, which was a huge help. Yeah, I can't really sleep on
planes so that's actually a kind of a genius move.
You get in early enough for. You can like go back to bed that
that was actually, it was funny to that you say that because
normally I can sleep on red eyes because I'm just so exhausted.
But, you know, my buddy cam we had flown from Reno because
we're in Tahoe, down to San Diego.
And then I was doing the red-eye from San Diego and I was kind of
like dozing off on that first flight because I was just so
tired. And then that kind of Of reset
me. So when I got on the actual red
II was more wide awake and I'm sitting here looking around at
everyone sleeping. I'm like, fuck I'm not gonna be
able to fall asleep right away and I was so stubborn to because
I was like, I could put on media, you know, the TV or
whatever. And I was like, no because I
want to fall asleep at the guy in front of me, was watching
hangover. And so, I just watched his
hangover on, you know, even though I could watch it on my
TV, but I was just like, so I watched an hour of Hangover with
no audio. That's what I'm so much quicker
to give up on on the planes because I just kind of know.
I won't be able to sleep anyway. But yeah, I would I would have
the hangover on after about minute for of watching his TV.
Yeah, yeah, let me say it really holds up with no audio all these
years. It, I will say watching Zack
Galifianakis just because he is such a, you know, he acts with
his body and just stick you late so much that he was, I was like,
legit laughing at a few moments. Just not even know.
It was being said. Where did you, what did you do
for the game? So you just hold up in your
apartment and watch them all this weekend.
There's a bar, but we went to, for the, the Saturday game.
It's kind of pretty, pretty spaced out.
So, we went there and checked out the Bengals game.
And then, there's this restaurant that we went.
We went to this Korean place that used to be.
We really liked it as like a kind of a fast food like it sort
of pitch itself. Fast food, but it was really,
really good. But I think they like didn't
really, they weren't doing very well and I think people were
kind of like thinking it was just like, kind of this like
junkie fast food-type Place. Yeah.
So the closed. So we were bombed and since then
it's like clearly just reopened under like another name.
So we went there to check out the new, it's actually better
now that they because now they're like trying to be a
fancy restaurant but it's like a well-priced fancy restaurants.
We went there and watched Part of the Bucks game.
And I just came back here and watch the Chiefs bills.
There you go. Yeah, Jeremy, come on Pete.
Listen to Red Zone with no video and watch his movies with no
idea. This is I did that to myself.
Oh my god. Um yeah.
And I as I was, I think I was mentioning it on Splash play
with spags, but we because of just how to get our flight
situated. I legit watched the first half
of bills Chiefs, at the Reno Airport, And then I thought for
sure I was done because we're flying Southwest during the
second half and I was like there's no chance like Southwest
Wi-Fi is going to allow me to stream blah blah but they
actually have like the live TV part of wow or whatever.
And like was it a perfect HD stream know but was I able to
watch that game on a plane? Yes.
So that that felt like a miracle and its own right.
I was on the phone with my brother Mike for probably the
last Five minutes of Regulation into overtime and because I'm
streaming it, he was ahead of me, so he kept having a mute for
like those plate. You know.
All the big plays down at the end.
He was muting himself as soon as like a ball.
Is snapped on his own because he kept reacting.
And at what point he actually unmuted.
It was like, oh, man. That was big stuff.
Anyway, actually seeing it live on the plane, was that in some
ways, an advantage over my setup, because I was, I was, I
don't delay. Well, that actually sounds like
our group chat with us Leone, in Gretsch, where you could tell
it's one where tilting, because we're reacting to stuff just
with like, words, not with any context, you know, it's just
like emotional reactions. And then we're like, wait, what
happened? And then we, all realize that
we're actually all watching it and the saved real Thai.
But we're just so sensitive to like what were you reacting to
the drop, or reacting to him, touching his helmet in the hot
oil? I just I can't remember it
wasn't now but I did something like I just was like bashing on
a player or something or like or tilting, the player wasn't
involved and then they caught a ball.
And anyway, the only thought I was ahead.
So like we had one of those moments.
There's like, no, I just happened to say this guy's name
like seconds before something else.
Yeah. Tizen peas for Michael Leone.
Absolutely my God rudel loss. I mean, even going into that
game, just knowing that that should have been the AFC
Championship game was Just like you have in the Superbowl really
hazy at the Super Bowl. I mean it it would have been,
yeah, it's unfortunate like Bangles.
I was obviously happy that the Bangles one because you knew
that they would get in an up-tempo game with either of
these guys, but it does feel like we were robbed of a even
higher Stakes. Game between these two teams.
It does, it really does. I mean that's just I mean I will
say maybe it's out of order but I'm glad that we're getting the
Bangles facing the Chiefs. You know, where that, you know,
Bangles bills have been great too.
But that I think the Bangles can bring it and I've been excited
about the way the Bengals have approached postseason.
Even with all the sack issues last week.
And you know bro took nine sacks, they still had a pretty
strong password over expected. They're gone.
Of Leaning into things. I was also doing some research
for the walkthrough. I think some of their protection
issues were like it's just like one of those things where
sometimes you're going to have more struggles than you,
typically do. And it seems like they don't
know, even though they have a pretty subpar offensive line.
There's definitely like a possibility where Burrows, you
know, protected a lot better than he was against Tennessee
and were able to get a rematch of the Bengals Chiefs game,
which would be a lot of fun. I know when I saw that line open
up at seven. I was like, man that 7 feels
like a lot for a team that the Bangles literally be just a few
weeks ago. Obviously this one is in Kansas
City but still seven and then I saw all the money was mainly
coming. On the Bangles to sounds like
shit. It's it is this the square play
to betting The Bangles but they feel as as Evan says here
extremely live in this spot Yeah, they definitely do.
They definitely do. I mean, I, you know, the Chiefs
are of the, I don't know. What would you have set the line
at if you were, if you were a bookmaker, I mean, I know this
sound now, it's like oh, you're only talking about like one and
a half or two points, but it does feel more like a four and a
half, five and a half kind of thing.
I agree. Yeah.
I think like anywhere in that mid-range like but I would have
it below 6. So to have it at seven is I mean
that that I agree that's a high line.
Yeah, and also just thinking, I mean, Jimmy G, like comparing,
like, who do you feel better about getting points from?
You know, it's like I'd rather want the seven points.
If I was betting, Jimmy G, then you know, betting Borough, like
I feel a lot better hanging. My hat on Joe burrow getting in
a shootout or a nice sun because we still haven't seen the Jimmy
G game. They've been fortunate to play
all these games close and they're able to do what they
want to do in those games. But we have not seen, have we
seen them down 10 or 14 points in one of these?
Yeah no I mean I guess you know they'd been down over the course
of the season and done. Okay because they what the thing
about the 49ers is that they might accuse them at times of
not having a counter punch but they do have a counter punch it
just opens them up to a devastating counterpunch from
the other side but they will counter punch and have Jimmy
actually drop back and pass if they have to.
But they try to avoid it as much as humanly possible because
We've seen like even in the situations where Jim, he's
barely throwing like, he's just dying to give these games away.
So I think like, I actually wonder if they could beat the
Rams because the rain the Rams have been like they were
slightly past heavy against the Buccaneers but the Buccaneers
are major Past bottle and they've been shifting in our
huge run-heavy direction for weeks.
Now they didn't take advantage of the Ravens past funnel.
I don't think McVeigh really trust Stafford.
Obviously San Francisco's pass rush is a major issue so I think
we could again for the third time you could see the 49ers get
into a run first battle with the opposing team, which is exactly
where they want to be. If we get Jimmy in the Super
Bowl, I'd need like 10 points against the Chiefs.
I'm not, I'm not, I don't know if I take it because you could
just see them the Chiefs, I think in this condition they
think they can hang like a 20 Point Victory on the They keep
up well, and that's, that's what I think is.
So smart with their Debo, Samuel usage, right?
Where they truly have to get really creative on offense and,
you know, in a, they did get those plays against the Packers,
where, you know, George Kettle. Picks up those really big first
downs, but basically, taking the ball out of Jimmy G's hands as
much as they can. And I always think about it
encounter to remember watching like, Dez Bryant back in the day
even when he was at his Peak and he would just get erased for an
entire game because they just let him get, I sewed out wide
and they wouldn't Force the ball to him or anything and then you
watch Debo and it's like, no, we are going to make sure this guy
is touching the ball multiple times on every driving.
We have to. It's the only way we can succeed
and that at least, gives me some confidence in their offense.
It gives me some confidence in their offense, but it's like the
fact that they've taken their number one, wide receiver and
made him. In some ways, a running back,
who is at times a wide receiver rather than a wide receivers at
times running back, it just tells you just how tilted
towards the Run they've gone. I mean they're crazy tilted
toward the run these days and it does put you in a situation
where I'm blonde. I'm frankly Blown Away by the
Packers game plan in that game, you know, all the Special Teams
stuff. Like oh man.
So unlucky that that they had the The block pain and it's
like, dude, they scored 10 points scored 10 points at home
against the 49ers. Who like?
Yeah, they've good pass rush, but they're not actually an
elite defense Riders, supposed to win the MVP, you got to score
more than 10 points. And part of that is the fact
that Rogers wasn't as efficient as usual with the 49ers pass
rusher that was predictable. But the other part is that they
play Crazy. Slow, they played super slow all
season. And the 49ers are begging teams
to play Slow against them. They're begging teams to go.
The first against them to limit possessions like been graduate
that thing about how possessions are kind of like innings in a
baseball game and, you know, and we talked about the other, the
other. What was I like 34 weeks ago, we
talked about how many of these coaches would just flip a coin
before the game started. Yeah, right.
The Packers are one of those teams, which makes no sense like
the way they play. They play so slow that it's,
like, maybe they want to do best to.
Three on coin flips or something, but they'd be willing
to, I mean, that's kind of what they're willing to do.
I didn't think the Cowboys are do that.
I thought the Cowboys would push the pace more than they did at
the Cowboys, are play way smarter than they did.
The Cowboys blew me away with their performance in terms of
their coaching there. And so I'd like to think they
will push the, the 49ers Off Script, but I'm not convinced,
he will because, because of the way that they've called games,
over the last week, for five weeks.
So really just comes down to To the fact that I don't think
that. I mean maybe the Bangles would
let him get away with it, but obviously it's more likely that
the the Chiefs will be playing the Super Bowl and you know that
the Chiefs won't let the 49ers get away with them.
Yeah the Packers are so weird in that regard.
The how slow they play weren't they aren't they the team that
uses the most clock before snapping of any other team?
And then there's still one of the most like pass heaviest
teams near the goal line, because Rogers just checks out
of every Run play like pad is passing stats.
It's just such a like weird. A nation because they do like to
throw in a lot of spots they do, but they're not crazy passive.
I think they had like a 4% password or expected or
something which was like higher than.
I mean, the thing was like fourth or fifth highest in the
league. So it's like, you know, they
were solidly a pass heavy team but they didn't embrace it to
the level. You think you might when you
have a quarterback playing extremely efficiently, Rodgers
played extremely efficiently all year but you know, we talked
about you. EPA per play, and that type of
stuff. Obviously, hugely important.
But you know, like compared to Josh Allen like you talked
about, like, total expected points, added not per play but
just total, you know, Rogers was not delivering as much as a lot
of other good quarterbacks because he didn't run as many
plays in that goes to the PACE thing in Rogers, lost a game to
the Vikings where he threw a 75 yard touchdown as his final pass
of the game, right? Like he had he had done this
before. Essentially, you know, he let
Kirk Cousins drive down the field and kick a game winner.
If I can just got a game-winning field goal out of it, it Kirk
Cousins almost threw an interception that drive but you
know they had gotten beat by an inferior team because they
didn't leave himself another possession which is what happens
to them against the 49ers. So we we had a foreshadowing for
that loss. I just think I don't know, it's
one thing to play slow in be the slowest team in every game
situation, which the Packers work.
It's another thing to have the 49ers, do it to the Cowboys the
week before. Run their exact game plan.
The Cowboys, don't push them off Off Script at all and then you
know for a fact now that that's what they're going to try to do
to you. You come let they come into your
house and just run their ideal game script against you and you
don't do anything about it was crazy.
It was truly crazy to me. Yeah.
I like to think that McVeigh would shift.
What he's gonna do to try to. You know, counter the most
obvious game plan of all time on the 49ers side.
Yeah, yeah. That that won that game is going
to be interesting that the chat pointing out to me that they
were down 17 points to the Rams three weeks ago.
I don't even remember the particulars of what plays help
them get back in that game. Although Luna was a, some Jimmy
G drives, Kevin Cole, remind me of that on Twitter.
Oh, is this? This is the great, you know, is
Jimmy, G is Jimmy G, good because we there, Is someone
talking about you PA per play in here and Jimmy jib rates, like
decently well, any paper play. So did Jared Goff by the way,
when he was on the ramps already quite well and EPA for play.
So one of the things that's also important is cpoe completion
percentage over expected and you look at I like to look at guys
who have really good efficiency but they're not being very
accurate and cpoe and you know you see that with Garoppolo and
Stafford actually the two guys that jump out the most right
now. Well of the remaining guys,
they're the only They have like a big discrepancy in that and a
homes and bird are quite accurate.
So it is interesting because I think it's not that those guys
are frauds necessarily but I think that that point still like
a more volatile or perhaps like a more scheme dependent success
from the quarterback. And if that breaks down because
the quarterbacks not been particularly accurate than you
could see things get really wonky, which does create risk
for the Rams as well. And I think is one of the
reasons that that make these ultimately started to get a
little bit cold feet with Stafford.
I think because what you see, when things aren't going right
for the ramp staff, it's thrown pick sixes.
Things are really bad. So this is a bit is an
interesting game because I think it's sort of like, who's able to
maintain confidence in their quarterback.
You no longer between the two or does it just evolved into a run
Fest right in, like you said, with both Stafford and Jimmy G
can just have brutal kind of meltdown decision-making at any
time. What did you think of?
Skittles usage, obviously, coming off the game against the
Cowboys where he wasn't used it all, had that incredible catch.
I guess their entire past volume was down just by the nature of
that game, but at least nice to see him involved a bit more.
It was, it is like one of those things where I think we've
played kittel over him over, Debo in both the FPC contest.
And that's one where I've kind of just wishing.
We ate more of the chalk with Debo because it's like, you
know, all the points were making out why he was going to be
higher own than I had projected in your, you are right about
that. I was way low on his projection.
He's just so comfy because it's there in all game script.
It's but I think more importantly he's there in the
run-heavy game scripts and kittel, he's made some big
plays, but you kind of at this point in those contests, you
need like a giant massive Spike week out of them, and he's more
alive for that. I think, than Debo entitled
premium, but I think they were aiming.
The Rams basically have to say you're not doing to us what you
did to the Packers and cowboys and in that case, and that in
that game script, I think it would be super interesting.
Yeah, yeah, no, it's just Divas so much their engine to their
offense, whereas, kid'll, still feels like this luxury extension
piece, where, like, they can't even move the ball without Debo,
where they've shown a willingness to try to make it
work without Kettle. Making place.
Should we talk about and was asking if we have any live FPC
team? I'm actually not sure I need to
check with Leone on what we had because we had a lot of Joshua
Allen so that wipes out a number of teams.
We did have a couple really good Patrick home, seems that I'll
have to check on, but we had a Josh Allen, Robbie Gould.
Team hell. Yeah.
With Davante Adams. So this was it.
This was a team that heading into the divisional or no
heading into Sunday. So not heading into Saturday's
last week, but heading into the second, two games, was first in
the contest, in the original contest, in the full contest.
But we have Robbie Gould going instead of, you know, instead of
a my misremembering it, I guess. I am just remembering the, we
having so many teams, I can't even remember them know what it
was. Okay.
So the 49ers game was Saturday night.
So that's when we run first, we're heading and we were first
heading into Saturday. Night, but we had gold, and we
were like a bunch of teams behind his head Debo.
So we're fading Debo somehow. We need Robbie Gould to
outscore. Obviously the supposed to be a
Dallas win scenario. But we, you know, had the soft
fade, the saw fate advances, but we're still in first.
And so, it's like all right. Gold has to outscore Deebo.
And he did, he outscored evil in that game and what are the
chances of that that the kicker out scores?
The engine of the other team's offense?
We got it, we got what we needed.
But then they lost, we had atoms.
Instead of Aaron Jones. And obviously, I mean, unless he
doesn't play in this game. Cool.
Not gonna do it again. So, to now it, now we need him
to do a fun like 20 points because we also didn't have the
right Packer and then that would have been okay, if the Packers
in one we could have made that up later, but obviously they
didn't. So it was one of the craziest
sweats where you have this improbable thing of like the
kicker outscoring devotee never gonna happen.
It does. Is happen.
We still lost. Yeah, and Evan looks like it is
similar scenario. He s overall with a McPherson
and 49ers DST team. Yeah, but you did.
I mean McPherson and gold just massive massive gains IV
McPherson just ripping field goal after field goal.
Yeah well Garrett was talking me he's in first and he's got Josh
Allen so he's trying to figure out if he can pull it off
without without Josh, I think, yes, Tyreke he'll Chase Mitchell
and I'm not sure like I assume cup you need one of those what
is it? Those little pop passes to
Tyreke l-like at the goal line where it doesn't count as a pass
kind of thing. Yeah yeah, yeah.
That's what he that's what you need.
You need a lot of brushes. You need some pitches.
Yeah, yeah. Um, let's see.
Someone was asking Keith was asking about obviously.
Gabriel Davis has the massive for Touchdown game.
I've seen some screenshots of Dynasty trades involving gave
Davis, but key specifically asking, Thing about being
worried about digs being invisible and such a big game.
I haven't seen any of the, like, film Grinders takes on this.
Where they doubling digs that was Gabriel Davis out.
Playing him. What was your take on that?
I'm not sure if they were doubling him or, you know,
obviously a little bit disappointing to have a guy have
an incredible blow up fantasy performance in the playoffs and
have it not be digs certainly not what we would have expected,
but I'm kind of of the mind that like, in general, This.
These ultimately like that's a good thing for digs.
If like next year, I think at this point, we talk about next
year. It's a good thing.
If there's a secondary weapon on the team, particularly downfield
weapon like Gabriel Davis. I think that's ultimately a good
thing for digs the, you know, the bigger concern for me is day
balls, definitely going to be gone.
So are they going to just have this massive massive lead in
situation neutral pass rate, like, they did this past year.
Huge. Huge lead in password over
expected on First. And Ten.
Are they going to have that? Because if they don't then you
start to worry about you know condensed targets guys kind of
cannibal and cannibalizing each other but like in this iteration
of the bills like if I could go back in time and install Gabriel
Davis from week, one in 2021, my general feeling on this type of
stuff is that digs has a better season than he did.
And I think it would have been helpful to have Gabriel Davis,
stretching the field, and actually being good at, and
actually drawing some targets and actually scoring some
touchdowns and burning. Fences because then it helps dig
see less attention throughout the rest of the season.
He's able to connect deep down field where he was struggling to
do that a bit this year. So, you know, I ultimately think
it's probably a good thing for for Digs at the bigger.
Bigger question, the offense without table moving forward.
What how about this for a comp Gabriel Davis is the Cristian
Kirk to Diggs is DeAndre Hopkins like in optimal configurations
Yeah, I think that's that's probably fair.
But I mean it could be like, you know, could be like a tea
Higgins to a gym or chase sort of if he's really takes a leap.
Yeah. Or even like maybe a Tyler Boyd
to, you know, a t Higgins or Jamar chase, you know like it's
helped it's still helpful to have like you know it doesn't
hurt T Higgins and Jamar chase. The tide of Boyd is good.
Yelp's. It don't you think the thing is
is like Gabe Davis's can a probably even be a more
expensive version of Miko. Hardman two years ago.
You know, your Hardware was going in like the seventh round
of Underdog drafts when he was like really creeping up because
it was like, oh this young athletic guy attached to one of
the best quarterbacks in the league.
Like this is a no-brainer I mean I could see Gabe Davis being in
what the fourth fifth round. I mean in some of these drafts,
we should actually check it because I did see.
Mojo started posting some Lee draft ADP. and I'd be careful
with that in general, like, Gabriel Davis was good this
season but he wasn't. I mean, I'm now the playoffs, he
was incredible, but all the offensive concerns are like,
like, if you want to talk about, you know, some relevant topic of
the, the crypto market right now we're seeing this, this this
downtrend of the crypto Market. I would say Davis is kind of an
altcoin in this regard. Where if there's some issues
with the bills offense, Davis is going to be the big big loser.
Whereas like Stefon Diggs is still Stefon Diggs, like Stefon
Diggs, has the out of like being a Target hog, you know them
designing the offense around them, they played Emmanuel
Sanders over Gabriel Davis, All Season, they're not going to
suddenly because of one playoff game design, their whole offense
around him going forward. So, I think that More much more
of a lower floor with Gabe. Davis compared to Stefon Diggs
even at a reduced cost. Yeah, the other fascinating
thing with, I mean, I'm just a meat.
If, if his price does settle and that like fist six-round range,
it's going to be a similar dynamic in, like Underdog drafts
with say like Mark Andrews and Lamar Jackson where they,
they're going, like, within, like 3 to 4 pics of each other
to where it's going to be a super trendy, like my turn.
My Josh Allen gave Davis 5 6. Turn like I could.
See that coming from a mile. It's so true hundred percent.
Um, did pull up here the fantasy Mojo ATP because there are some
best ball drafts already off and running at FPC.
I know Underdog has opened up some drafts as well, so always
interesting to get some early data.
Hear anything jumping out to you?
We see Jamar Chase and in the first round, I still I I could
never touch Ezekiel Elliott with a ten-foot pole, much less year
at pick 39, anything else, stand out to you.
These are there's a redraft. Yeah from just the past it looks
like they started a couple days ago.
I would be inclined to get noisy Harris.
Now, because doesn't he feel like someone who's going to go
up into the the 105 range and we're just going to rail against
it, all all August. Yeah.
Get some Nagi now before they get before they get quarterback
figured out because I probably won't be, I mean, I guess it
could be Mason Rudolph. So I wouldn't like take him in,
you know, I wouldn't load up but I think this is a good spot to
get exposure. This feels like a decent.
Price for a second year back, who just was a Workhorse for his
entire rookie year. I agree with that.
Take I could just see it in my mind's eye right now.
Nagi Harris is going to be like a 1314 pick all summer.
Totally. Yeah, because you can I mean no
one's going to be able to argue like once the projections come
in right. Once you once you liked my video
froze, but once the projection industry gets their hands on
Nagi Harris. Like how do you not like we just
saw his snap sure we just saw, you know his back.
Field. Touch.
Share it, you know. Pretty solid Target share
throughout the course of the year.
You could probably project an increase potentially in Target,
share in a second here. So I'm not going to like when
he's the one of three I'm going to hate it but I feel like one
of the benefits of drafting Hurley's and get some Harris
exposure. This is all.
I've also just dying inside knowing it's like you know,
every it was like two years ago. Take George Kettle at 107 this
year taking that 2007, we're just going to dollar cost
average. And take George Kettle at like
33 and every draft this year. You're damn right.
We do ha ha ha. It's so good.
We'll have to figure it out because I think I'm a little bit
more open to the projections on George.
Kittle like my whole thing with Kettle is just like I think he's
the best item in the league. I still do but you know having
seen him go through a season were like that was undeniable.
I mean maybe not undeniably true but I think true and it still
didn't really help you that much because the The offense even,
even with them, not moving to Trey, Lance the offense could be
so run having to move away from so completely, what do you think
about Javonte Williams here? Because it was after that, was
it, the big Monday night football game when everyone was
debating on Twitter and there was the, he should be the 102
next year conversation. He goes pick 16 here, is that
where he should go, or do you think there's a little meat on
the bone still? I would probably sprinkle them
in now. I think that There might be kind
of a backlash to Devonte Williams depending on.
I think you have to get exposure now because what if Melvin
Gordon isn't back because Melvin Gordon's not back he's gonna go.
I mean what I mean the one may be the one to turn.
Maybe won't get like up into the 108, 109 range, but certainly
would seem there in some drafts. I think you're going to see a
lot of excitement around him. He was so good.
He's not to the Jonathan Taylor level of prospect, but I It's
like a similar type of, you know, year to bet.
So we're here too bad but it's the type of that people will
make. So getting him in the mid s is
decent. If if Melvin Gordon's gone if
Melvin Gordon's back or they draft someone to they bring
someone else in then the projection stuff's going to push
him down a little bit and I think maybe he'll end up kind of
I mean I was gonna say the two three turn but that's where CH
was going. He's going to go ahead of where
CH went. Yes feels fine to me.
This feels fine. Yeah it feels good.
I would definitely want to sprinkle some of him here
because he does seem like a riser.
Any ones, once the Gordon news, gets defined or he clears out
that's that's going to jump. By the way I'm like completely
thinking through this one as we go.
So no. But yeah, I think it's fun to
talk through some of the stuff last We were debating you know
CD Lambert's Jalen waddle pretty, big gap here you know
waddle going at essentially what does that pick for one in Lamb
here? At the end of the second round,
you think that Gap should be that big Mmm.
What's a good question? I still think I want lamb.
At that kind of cost difference. Yeah, think waddles Waddles very
good. But look at a ball goes to
Miami. Then sure maybe while she go a
bit higher. Yeah.
The I'm trying to see who else jumps out.
I mean you do see do you look at where he's going?
I mean after after what he just showed Yeah, but like, if you
think about the jump, I mean t. Higgins was legit going like mid
4th on Underdog when things were getting frothy?
Like, that's not even that big of a jump.
That's what I'm saying. Yeah.
Oh you're saying yeah he should be another round higher I mean
this guy looks like he should be a second round pick like I'd
rather have tea Higgins and see Lamb.
Wow, okay. I mean I don't even think that's
controversial like he's he's in an offense that I think has like
all The stuff that we were talking about last year with,
you know, the cowboy heading into this season with the
Cowboys like, oh man, they could, they could like set
records. I could, they could like take it
to another level with their passing, their passing rates
because they were, they had such high passing rates in 2020 with
Dak that didn't really materialize, but you're seeing
that kind of ceiling. At least, I don't think the
Bangles will ever until they get their offensive line figured
out. I don't think we'll ever just
like push the pace for an entire season.
They don't really have to do that, they're not going to want
to do that because No, they could risk parole getting hurt.
He takes he takes a decent amount of sacks.
They're not going to like doing that but on a weekly basis best
ball, I mean, you know that t Higgins has a ceiling.
You know, this offense has a ceiling when they get going and
they're passing and they're in shootouts like they will score
so many points. When the enemy on all those
points are hitting your lineup that week.
Like, I think that. Yeah, even though he's not going
to be the number one guy and CD lamb has a chance to be like a
number one. Alpha guy.
I still think I'd rather T Higgins.
Yeah, yeah it is it is interesting thinking like I'm
thinking through, you know, lamb was going, you know, late second
in a Mario is going mid, third. And then trying to think of that
a little bit as a comp for this team and then you have Chase
going now, 108 the I do think, I think I agree with your thesis
that the gap between Chase and Higgins, shouldn't be that big
like, it should be a little closer together like the Amari
CD stuff. Yeah, and I think I'm fine with
the chase 108. I've take Justin Jefferson ahead
of them. Yeah, I'd take.
Cooper cup ahead of them. But I think there's a case for
him, ahead of Tyreke this case, where I'm at of atoms because we
don't know the quarterback situation.
There's a lot of risk there. Yeah, I think I think Jefferson
or I think Chase is going roughly in the right spot.
I think T still. Oh yeah I mean some of these
these injury guys who weren't around are interesting.
Like I mean getting to see cam Akers back and looking pretty
healthy, you're probably still getting a little bit of a
discount on him. I mean if he played the whole
year and was just a, you know, say you had like a Joe Mixon
level season. He's probably like a teepee of
nine or ten. Yeah.
Like I liked him a course. They're like that that's one.
That's probably going to dry up to the I guess like the the wide
receiver stuff like Metcalf looks that looks about right to
me until you tell you one running back that I like might
surprise you get its job Nick Shaw.
Okay let me hear it show up at 23.
I mean this is a guy that we've had to take it like the I mean
not always the one to turn but kind Literally like that next
little pocket that really s early-mid second and it's like
so pricey, but you're getting here like if he's going to go
kind of, you know like last year we had that that Justin
Jefferson CD lamb Keenan Allen, right?
That tear. And then I went back and there
was like kind of that spot where it's like well if see if CH
falls back here, you know that early third range after those
wide receivers are gone, then sure that seems great like I'll
take that I'll take that kind of Back at that point and Chum
feels like that kind of running back to me.
Where the key started to show a little bit more as a receiver
where they're actually throwing to them, on some screens.
He did actually get used as a receiver a couple years ago,
when before hunt arrived, or before hunt was healthy, he had
like eight games without hunt a couple of years ago and was used
somewhat as a receiver, not like as a receiving back, but he gets
a little closer to Dalvin cook where he gets mixed in, and I
think he's good when he, when he gets used that way.
Like you see, Mon screens he gets moving quickly and one of
the best pure rushers in the entire league.
So I don't know, I'm never really drafting child but this
price kind of like it. And you can tell based on it
says four drafts here. And you can see he went as early
as 2 3 which is about more where we would expect the Boomers to
draft him, but then you also see he win his latest 35 and maybe
maybe he is. Kind of the polarizing Guy,
where you're going to have guys who love Nick.
Just They're going to pull the trigger on a mid s.
Maybe you get a pissing yellow draft, a little ship chasing
listener. League you scoop them up in the
the late 3rd. Yeah.
Oh man that's pretty nice to this shift chasing League.
Yeah he's gonna be he's gonna be going like.
There are some people talking about Cooper cup as the number
one overall. I have nothing to back this by
but like my gut feel and I think I would rather have Tyreke Jamar
Chase and Jefferson. Over cup.
Am I crazy? I'd rather cook you would so
he's your number one. Yeah, cups. 1 over 1.
I mean, he had a well-liked we'll see how he finishes but
and this actually might be updated from lawsuit values like
3.13 yards per outrunning entering last week.
If I think is the right stat, which is Absurd that you just
you're not supposed to do that and he 32 percent Target.
Share this year. Coming off one of these crazy
crazy Seasons when the entire offense is built around him.
I mean, yeah, he's going to regress some from that, but I
don't know, just kind of feels like overthinking to me to pick
one of these other wide receivers over the guy that it's
like, this is such a rare type of thing.
And like, I guess, you know, we we had Michael Thomas coming off
of one of these seasons in a completely crumbled.
I'm not saying it's like safe necessarily but his it's kind of
the Antonio Brown situation where it's like, he if
everything goes as expected, he's gonna be the number one
wide receiver pretty easily. Yeah, I guess where I get a
little concerned about cup and it even doesn't have anything to
do with like his age or anything.
It's just we saw the identity of their offense, Sands cam Akers
be through Cooper cop and I felt like the offense got very
comfortable running that version of the offense through him and I
do just wonder if they have a healthy cam Akers, say they add
another playmaker or whatever like if they'll feel the need to
use him as like the total And you and that's where you are
baking in some regression, which is bound to happen.
But I'm just wondering how much of kind of their offensive
philosophy might change in a way that 101 would be very rich for
him. Yeah, I think that's a risk.
But if that's a risk then like, is he like AJ brown with more
consistency, and less big plays? You know what I mean?
Like, he's he still like, I don't think he has much of a
risk of not being just a clear Alpha wide receiver there.
I mean, Uh yeah that would after what he showed with Robert Woods
coming back off injury. Like it's he's no one's going to
challenge him Beckham's, not going to challenge him.
I mean the only guy cake really challenging for that is Davante
Adams. You know, like I don't think
Chase is going to get there because the T and then you you
know in order 42 or for Chase to top cup.
If everything's going pretty well, he probably needs the
Bangles to start playing like the bills which my guess is that
they won't do. So.
Yeah, I don't know. You're probably going to draft
cup and be like I'll darn. It was only like he you know he
was worth like the 2003 instead of right.
The one For, but so many of these guys are going to be in
the fourth like that seventh-round pick like, you
know what I mean? Yeah, no I do agree with that.
That his floor is still going to be very night.
Almost kind of like the Christian McCaffrey thing,
right? We're even in a down year, he's
going to catch so many balls that like he's not gonna sink
your team. Yeah.
And of course there's like the the catastrophic down here which
he's not immune to He could, he could have a high ankle sprain
and, you know, they could go away.
Everything could just eat, never is quite right excetera.
So Sally is like super locked in, but he being my number one
wide receiver right now. So what do you do in a draft?
Let's say you have like the one for you.
Get Cooper cup, you come back and you get CD lamb and then
you're staring there at Antonio Gibson and you're debating
between taking a Tokyo Gibson. In or continuing to piss yellow
with Metcalf or Keenan Allen, what are we doing with Gibson?
Well, first of all, I think I would take Stefon Diggs but not
that I'm out on Atlantic. Come on.
Yeah, thanks there. I thought we all said Diggs is
dead now so you know, I just kind of removed him from the
board. Gotcha.
I think I'm pissing yellow. I think I'm going for a DK,
Metcalf Keenan, Allen T Higgins. I mean just talk.
I think T Higgins is a second-round pick so you just
I'll probably end up just hammering T Higgins a lot in the
third round Gibson I think is in play but he reminds me more of
like in the BET has now become assuming that JD mckissack is
back which I think he's a free agent, so maybe he's not but we
need them to get a quarterback. I mean the quarterback situation
is really bad so he feels like he should be down more.
Like, wouldn't you rather have David Montgomery?
Then internal Gibson. Yeah, yeah, it's just sad but
yeah, yeah, you would. So why am I going to?
Why am I going to pay a premium for Antonio Gibson?
Yeah, we've already done the paying a premium for me.
Antonio gives it. They had it didn't turn out very
well, it'll turn out great. But you know, all we've got a
lot of new information on its own you Gibson.
Yeah. Right.
And all of it says don't pay a massive premium form.
So like everything we're hoping for and Tony Gibson to become,
they Montgomery kind of already Is and like the offense might
actually be better in Chicago depending on what happens with
Washington's quarterback situation.
All right, two names that I noticed that I definitely think
should be in these top 40. What is Mike Evans have to do?
How many more thousand yard seasons?
Does he need to do you know to be a top for you s?
Also DJ more like I mean are we really going to punish DJ more
for the quarterback stuff this year?
I don't know. I'm willing to go.
I think we're gonna I mean at this point yeah I would take him
in the top 40. I would have them.
I mean I'd take my head of bezique for sure, but you do
worry about you know they got like what?
Bob McAdoo. Do now sir coordinator as
doesn't feel like it's going to be an explosive offense, in any,
we could Sim this this next season a thousand times.
It's not an explosive offense. So it's a little tough but I
don't know who's a comp is he like See like deante Johnson.
Like, no, that's not quite right because he doesn't, he's got the
higher a top. But who is he like, compared to
a guy last year? Like click the clear.
Number one, wide receiver, but on a team that the Clinton wide
receiver end good on a team that were just not excited about it
all. Yeah, I'm trying to I'm trying
to not he's not Marquis Brown, he's not dj shark because we're
more great branding Sousa. Brandin Cooks, Brandin Cooks.
Yeah, that's fair. All the cooks was older and has
like concussion issues that we were in about it.
Davis Bells is probably better than any quarterback that right.
Yeah. Better quarterback.
Yeah. But that's, that's probably the
best one that we've come up with.
I mean, yeah, it's going to be shocking for people to know that
I don't like, you know, these older Veteran running backs in
situations that could, you know, change on a dime.
I mean, this is so fucking frothy for fernet right here.
I mean, oh yeah, don't take one out here.
I mean, I literally just wrote up all of Brady basically
hitting that he's probably going to retire like this.
Awesome says he's retired. He would retire right now, which
means which is code for I think I think Tom Brady is going to
retire, right? It's crunk.
Only will play Brady's playing. Yeah.
Would you Hawkinson also by the
way? No, thank you.
Yeah, yeah. We've done the TJ Hawkinson
thing a couple of years. What about Waller?
That's a tougher one. I'm more in Waller.
Yeah I'm morning. Waller Waller is dealt with
dealt with injuries inconsistency but some of the
inconsistency like he was really really inconsistent in 2020 as
well. Yeah, he got hot at the end of
the year. He had a huge game against the
Jets. It's just kind of the nature of
the position. Yeah, Mark Andrews.
Definitely make it a pretty big leap here as well, you know?
Yeah, that's a, that's a pricey pick to have to spend on Mark
Andrews. I don't think I'm going to be
into that. Give me give me Kettle and pits.
At their cost and Waller? Yeah, we were like in on kidal
last year in a big way partly because, you know, he was a
cheaper version of Waller. But I think that Andrews is now
kind of in that situation like I think these tight ends that are
being, these are the top tight ends, you know, not news to
anybody but these top five guys to me, that should be a bigger
gap between Hawkinson. I haven't, I want no parts of
predicting which is the next tight end of join this Elite
group because we're really bad at that.
I mean, I'm frankly shocked we were as good as as as we were
with Kyle pits. I mean we're almost never good
at predicting guys. Accurately who are going to jump
into that, you know, the first season.
We thought he would do it. He did Kyle Pitts was awesome as
a rookie. I think his APA here makes a ton
of sense but I don't want any parts of predicting the tee.
Jay Hawkins going to make this big leap because he said chances
doing he hasn't done. Yeah yeah.
Ethan saying Dallas ghadir that's definitely going to be a
guy who's probably going to be going in the in the fourth and
fifth round of most drafts. I would assume I would take him
over Hawkinson. Yeah.
Expendables asking about Calvin Ridley another really.
I haven't read a blurb. I mean you work at the Blurred
Factory I mean has there been any updates on where Calvin
Ridley is at know I've seen some stuff come through of like you
no no no status on you know update no update with a comments
from Smith on it and we had we had a blurb you know that
basically put them on whichever list they had to put them on and
that was kind of like the last time we were updating it Till
there's actual news but there have been blurbs that are
basically like nothing has changed.
That's what I mean. Not blurbs.
But but tweets from the beat reporters that nothing has
changed. Yeah.
I mean, how much of do you worry
about Pitts? Has you know situation?
You know how I feel like he could be in kind of a TJ
Hawkinson esque situation. Potentially I don't know.
It'll be that bad. I mean, Matt Ryan's better than
Jared Goff. Yeah, I think he's and he's
shown a connection with Ryan. He had a really good yards per
hour on this year. I mean, really good for a rookie
think it was a almost two yards per hour on which is pretty off
the charts for rookie tight. And I mean that's, that's wild
stuff. And he wasn't like, you know,
use sparingly, he was the engine of the offense down the stretch.
So the offense is an ideal, but in Some ways just being a tight
end who's used as his team's. Number one weapon is.
I mean, that alone is so massive.
Yeah. And again and rare and he's a
wide receiver. I mean Compass has a wide
receiver like period, he's a wide receiver.
Like he has tightened eligibility, he maybe shouldn't
but it's like the BET here is is like DK Metcalf or quarter,
McLaren entering his second season, like that's that it's
somewhere between the bet they're your base.
We adding on like Alpha wide receiver to make it leak.
This is another name that I don't necessarily think it's bad
that he's not on here but I'm kind of shocked that am on Roz
finished and get steamed into the top 40 me to a little bit,
although, I guess it's that there's more.
It's like, I'd love to see the other the other wide receivers
after this because I don't think I'd take him.
I don't think he's anywhere near any of these wide receivers like
you're not taking him over DeAndre Hopkins.
Now, Timmy am on Raw feels like and I'm not saying I just mean
from like, ATP and sentiment. He feels like he could be last
year's T Higgins, right? The rookie who didn't come in
like as hyped. But then really delivered and
showed promise. And then once we start talking
about the second year break out stuff, lack of targets on the
lines. The problem is is his
quarterbacks Jared Goff and not Joe barroso, the excitement
isn't going to quite be there. Yeah.
And to be honest, I mean I think he's closer to Hunter Run Frozen
sea Higgins. Yeah.
It's just a big, it's a Target play.
I mean he's good, I'm not trying but I'm gonna run for his good
so I don't mean that is like a put-down but I don't think he's
like what's your upside? I think you're upside is, you
know, could be decently high in. PPR leagues.
You could have him be the kind of a Target hog type of guy.
What did rent for a finish as PPR scoring.
I see Tom 24, he he must have been.
Yeah, because down the stretch, he was crushing.
So, yeah, I don't, I don't mean to say, but I mean, I don't
know, maybe he's got kind of like whatever.
I mean maybe like Jarvis Landry was like yea wide receiver three
or four wide receiver for one season so he could have.
Yeah, it's possible. Yep, crazy asking a robbed man
that he's such a, he's a, he's a tough one.
He burned a lot of people that share.
Yeah once I don't think we had a guy like that they spit just
year. I just completely fell off the
map but he's got to be I mean, there's a group actually of
like, Robbie Anderson Allen Robinson, and Michael Thomas,
who are all going to be kind of like, what do we do with these
guys and Thomas will go above the other two but but I think
hey Robin and Robbie Anderson are going to be double digit
picks for sure. And what what do you think
they'll and like 14th round. Yeah, I mean I guess we at least
is Robbie Henderson. Is he still under contract with
the Panthers? Yeah, because he signed an
extension he say extension. Oh, but you know what?
Alan Robinson is a free agent because he was on the franchise
tag so that's going to go a long way in to turn.
Yeah. Okay.
So what we are laying there but but where it is so then I'm to
I'm way too low on Robinson. Then what do you think like
Probably probably 10th or 11th. Yeah.
You mean like pre free agency Yeah, yeah, people are always
going to have a fondness for him, and I think people will be
more willing to chalk it up to Bears dysfunction.
Then him losing a step even though it's probably a little
bit of both. I think it's a lot of bit of
him. Losing a step.
Yeah, this is another one phone number 10, PPR wide receiver.
Oh, there you go. Not a put-down time in a row,
same town, but it's still, it's still sort of a player
archetype, that's not quite as high up.
Say Travis CTN. I mean give me him over.
You know any of these kind of later, running backs, I think.
Well day balls ending up in our no, sorry not table if left,
which is ending up in, in Jacksonville.
I mean, I think that's that's pretty exciting for a functional
offense. Yeah.
I think I'd take him. I mean what about him verse
Dobbins were you out on that? They feel they feel similar but
it seems like the I just have never seen any indication from
the Ravens to go to a one back system or keep it a 2 back
system to where I think there's more upside for a bigger role
for for etn and just because his his work is going to be more
tilted toward the pass game. Then Dobbins, I mean Dobbins,
it's going to be so Reliant, still on explosive, run plays
for him to rack up points. I just think he's a he's more a
guy I'd want to be taking like in the fifth sixth round whereas
like etn. I feel like with that floor he
gives you. You could probably justify it a
little earlier. Yeah, I agree with that.
This is a fun one, too just because of how hot he finished
Singletary. I mean do you think the
narrative this off season will be?
He graduated to Bell cow back or do you think people will kind of
talk themselves into that just being like for a specific
stretch of the season? I think he'll ultimately be
like, a classic Dead Zone running back.
And the reason that I think that is that he's going to be tough
to project, right? Because what we saw down the
stretch is he's just getting like literally every single
snap, but we didn't really see that in the regular season.
We saw it, we saw close to that but the playoffs he's like
playing every single snap literally.
But you're not going to project that you know, and no one, no
one would project that over the course of a full season.
So once you project him to have like a more normal snap Ray, I
don't do projection so I don't you know, I don't know exactly
what people have been but he'll have you know, the off the kind
of the the total control of the backfield from what he showed
down the stretch. So at that point then you look
at the value of the backfield which isn't actually all that
valuable. There's not many, it's not like
Tampa Bay's backfield Old we're like you can project Leonard
fournette to not even dominate touches, you projecting like 65%
of snaps and letter from that's gonna have an awesome projection
in this iteration of Tampa, Bells, Tampa Bay's, backfill
that 40 expected points in the Wild Card round when he missed
between Giovani Bernard and and Keyshawn Bond.
I mean, it's a massive, massive value, one back consolidates it,
you know, you're going to crush projections.
That's not really the case with the bills.
He's only delivered really, really Wrong, you know, but not
even like really, really strong. Just like very like clearly a
running back one because he has every single touch.
So I think once you factor in a little bit of, you know, some
natural hedging, that that might not be the case for all 2022.
You know, potential injury risk. Just kind of not projecting any
running back to have, like, literally every snap It's good.
Yeah, I think it will be hard to project him to be, like, worth
more than like a, like, a late third early, fourth type of type
of pick. What do you think?
Ya know, that, that sounds? That sounds good to me,
although, I can just see the thinning out of running back
again and in people wanting to, to kind of buy into Singletary,
being a Bell cow on a good offense.
I mean, people do just generally love drafting players on good
offenses. And if we've seen enough to kind
of convince, Vince ourselves that Singletary.
Could be that I think he'll probably get drafted with a
premium. This is a fun one from Liam,
assuming Aaron Rodgers goes to Denver.
What's the price of those players?
I mean, I'll shoot from the hip. I'll say javante Williams top
five running back. I'll say Jerry, Judy goes like
back end of round two. Like we're lamb in.
Digs are right here. I'll say Courtland Sutton like a
solid mid 4th round pick. And no.
A fan in tight in premium is like a fifth round.
Pick. Yeah, I think that's I wonder if
Judy gets hyped that much. I saw forget who someone was
having a list of the, you know, the dynasty wide receivers and
had, Judy is a mess. And I do think that the kind of
sentiment has turned against him a little bit.
I don't think he's a mess. I think it would be totally
defensible. Having that range of Rogers was
there, but I do wonder if you get pushed up quite that high.
I think. With everything else.
Yeah, I could just see the now. I mean, he did cool off a little
bit but people kind of there'd be the debate, right?
Of like who's gonna be his Davante Adams and I think it'd
be an easier sell for people. That like Jerry, Judy is going
to be his Davante Adams. I agree.
But keep in mind, I mean that what would be so interesting
about that move? Is that Davante Adams took like
three seasons to be his Davante Adams?
Yeah. You know what I mean?
Like, do I have to go It took a long time to develop that
connection with about damages. It was earned.
I don't know that you di would just like immediately God I
probably want to keep it. I'd be like, are you guys decide
where these guys are priced? And then I'll probably take the
cheaper of the two and I definitely be man.
I would take a lot of cage. A hammock.
Liars will say that. Okay, Jay kammler fought.
He would he would be like, what? We've always wanted mvs to be.
Yeah, yes. Oh my God.
Yes and yeah. Dan getting frothy just thinking
about Uh Noah Fant with a really good quarterback.
I mean and Alberto sprinkle some Alberto and these plan premium
best balls again. Yeah, looking play there that
there'd be lots of fun stuff there.
Yeah. Guara Jaguar, has getting in the
end zone. Occasionally, like we get now
but no in there. Seriously.
Yeah, I made yeah even just thinking of like dealing with
Lazard and Randall Cobb. I mean Denver basically has
upgrades for every single one of those Sports.
You know what's gonna happen if he goes Denver Davante Adams
coming too, right? He's gonna he's gonna relax.
Wow, I mean he's a free agent. Now, they could franchise tag
them, but they're trying to rebuild, you know.
Well, that's what that's what GA is saying here.
Won't Rogers Adams be a package package deal.
Yeah, they got to do some kind of sign and trade with atoms or
something. I don't know if they don't feel
doesn't really do this. But something they had to figure
out somehow because Adams, he wants to play with with Rogers.
That is a, it's a really interesting thing too.
Because sometimes don't, Don't those guys have egos with it?
Like we saw a little bit with the Brady Belichick stuff where
it was like, you know, their entire career.
They're like is, you know. Brady, you know, a product
developed check is Belichick, just a product to Brady and then
they want to go do it on their own.
Like, it's funny hair, Davante, Adams.
If that's the case, he's like, fuck it dude, I don't even want
to see what it's like without aired Rogers.
I just want this guy to be my quarterback forever, I don't
think he doesn't seem to have that ego and their cars and
apparently recruiting him for years.
And the ones ham says, it doesn't seem all that receptive
to this. This recruitment efforts, but I
mean Davante Adams. Like part of what his skill is
is knowing what Rogers is thinking at that moment, right?
Yeah. It doesn't not to take that away
from atoms like that's it's a what they've developed is an
incredible. I can't really I mean even like
the Brady and the Brady Welker the Brady Edelman any Peyton's
guys like this is like a like Peyton Reggie Wayne I don't
think would compare with With Rogers Adams.
The connection they have is just, I think it's the best I've
ever seen. I was talking about that with my
buddies, that it's like, you don't want to take anything away
from either of them, but it's the most like perfect stylistic
match possible. It's like the I wish I had a
better like gaming analogy for it, but we're just like these
two pieces come together and then get the height of their
superpowers. It just send locks this next
level, Well, it's like they're both great on their own, right?
But that pairing, I just couldn't think of another
pairing where they both benefit from each other.
As much as those guys do. Yeah, and it's like the back
shoulder connections. It's like the timing routes that
even simple stuff, where it's like that, they'll make a play
look, like totally normal. But, Adams turns the balls that
kind of out in front, like it's like, not quite back shoulders,
got to turn and Murphy's getting excited about the schedule.
But it's like not even the atoms, just like turns and
catches it. That he turns and grabs it.
As you know, this in stride having not seen it but for a
split What you did I will say two to give more to Adams Credit
in that game against the Niners. I mean he was scooping a couple
of those throws up off the ground it was so weird with your
green screen. It looked like he was in a
little diorama box. Oh my goodness.
Everyone wants to now. Imagine Rogers and all these
different scenarios woman's is already willing to bump.
Trevor Lawrence out for Aaron Rodgers.
I don't blame you, I mean, Pat where we taking visca.
If Aaron Rodgers is csaba the Jacks, I mean the Mind meld
connection between visca and Adams I think is gonna be you
know it's maybe in 2024 it'll be there.
Oh we'll do have to I mean I got it.
Tell you right now Pete, I'm still gonna be I'm still gonna
be drafting some bisque. I'm not sure if you're gonna be
with me, we took the Cole Harmon this year.
We're drafting bisca. We want our discount.
We definitely want to discount but I mean, you know what are we
going to have to pay 12th 13th round?
Yeah, I'm fine at those prices for sure.
I mean that's where we were drafting Gabe.
Davis. This year in, you know, we were
right about just, we just didn't get the Ford movie.
It was our idea though that we were spitballing right last
week. Where you draft, and you get the
through the air blast. Imagine your gave David shares
in that van, we gotta talk to, to Underdog here, gonna get a
playoff, get a playoff tournament, but also a regular
season tournament. I mean, that seems like the
ideal way to play basketball. Yeah.
I saw some, I think it was Eagles and Justin and buy them
for. They were kind of spitballing
ideas for other Underdog tournaments on Twitter, the
other day. With also kind of like the goal
of an underdog life fine. Oil and how that would
potentially work. But even like having I mean they
ended up there ended up being I think like 190 teams in this one
this year I made I do like logistically and how much that
costs and how much it would hurt you know your bottom line or
what the rake would need to be but like 190 finalist at a live
final under dog Fido would just be so incredibly fun.
What if you had like? You know, you had maybe would be
again, maybe moves the playoff twist, but you'd you'd have this
the typical payout for Vespa Mania but then, you know, some
threshold of finishers like maybe the top 15 finishers in
the final. Make the live final and then you
have to set a lineup based on your team.
That's, that's interesting. Yeah, that's kind of fun.
Yeah or wonder. Yeah.
Or maybe it was something. Yeah.
Like that. Where you still had the main
prize pool, but then there was that second prize pole for like
the the live final where you left final set the lineup.
Yeah, yeah. You make like okay you only
finished 50th and best for me but or in the final vessel Mania
than but that gets you in a lie final and then you have to set
your lineup and then there's all the game theory around ownership
percentages on that. Where it's like Erica Sighs
team. We had Jamar chase at 6%, like
obviously, we're locked buttoning him, but then you have
Cooper Cup. Who's at whatever?
It was like, 35%. Are you fading Cooper cuff in
your lineup? Because you have, but not
everyone has them. I mean, you're not, everyone has
it. Yeah, yeah.
There's some interesting, but you would know because it'd be
like the people who made the live.
Final also did really well in that specific week.
So a lot of the guys like it wouldn't just be, you know,
those players helped people get there but they The players who
like one people that million would probably be
over-represented. Yes, I have a, I have a feeling
we're going to have a summer of crackpot ideas, all kinds of
contests, Ian. I will I will do everything I
can as an underdog influencer to take your ideas up the ladder
and see what we can. We can get done this summer.
Mack says, will there be a ship chasing meet up Super Bowl
weekend? I don't think so.
Oh, Super Bowl weekend. But Pat and I and Gretch are
definitely planning on another ship.
Chasing meet up in the summer. Yeah, you know, most likely
around FPC drafts. I mean, we floated other ideas
to with KF F SC but whatever it is, we will what we're going to
have a. We had a ton of fun last year
and we will want to make it even bigger and better and hopefully
even more people can come this year with every time.
It seems like we're winding down with It, you know, rears up
again but I know that would be the Hope.
Yeah, I will say, everybody Farrell it KF F SC is doing,
they're doing some Super Bowl drafts over there.
They're doing like a whole weekend of Super Bowl, best ball
draft. So if you're real real best ball
sicko, you can jump in with those guys.
Yeah, I know, FPC has those gone feral the I know underdog.
Now has slowed drafts up for early.
Early 2020 to best ball. I think buying foreign Co jumped
in one of those today. Maybe we could get going.
We can get private, slow drafts going now.
So, or this one's actually a fast Raph.
So, maybe next week we could, we could fire off our first really
fast draft. I like, yeah.
All right, we're going to power this down.
So Pat could take care of his dog.
Yeah, the scratching. He's like trying to get My desk
right now. I don't know why.
Those are where the ethernet cables.
He likes to chew our. Yeah, there was literally my dog
is. Yeah, it's like an earthquake.
Well, let me tell before we get out of here.
Well, Murphy's on we're on the subject Murphy.
I don't eat I used to eat a decent amount of beef jerky.
It was like beef jerky but I don't, you know, it's not, it's
not probably not that great for you so I don't tend to eat a lot
of it but I got some of the other day and I realized it's
the first time I've ever had it since We've had Murphy which is
he's a year old now. He was so upset with me so upset
with me because obviously he it smells like dog food to him, you
know, it's just dried meat. So he's going over to me.
Like how dare you buy food for me and then eat it in front of
me. Like he was real upset so he
didn't get I didn't give him any because he was being really
annoying and then I had the beef jerky bag in the trash under my
desk. Anytime I'd go somewhere he
would keep sneak. He's doing exactly what he's
doing now. And, and he says there's beef
jerky. He he still, I think he still
smells the remnants of the beef jerky bag.
That's wow. You've created a monster.
All right, Murphy, I mean, is it, is it bad?
Is it bad for dogs to eat a little bit of beef jerky?
Probably not. No, I shouldn't.
He wasn't like They could be eating it and he'd get like
right up in my face and be smelling.
It it does look just doing a quick Google search, it does
look like there are specific, you know, beef jerky ask dog
treats so maybe you can maybe you can hook him up you know as
Christmas his birthday. What do we got?
Coming up for him, his birthday just passed, but we need to do
some some recall training because he's been a little bit
of a wild card at the park recently.
So wow. He sounds like he's on a bender.
All right guys thank you for hanging out.
As always if you guys want to join us in the Discord, we are
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Rollin already on 2022 for Pat, I'm Pete, Gretsch, should be
back next week. We'll talk to you then.