1 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:14,560 We are now. Just a month away from the NFL 2 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:16,600 season and we spent the past weeks. 3 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:20,040 Drinking from the fire hose of training camp News, There's 4 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,640 nobody in the industry. Better to help us separate the 5 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,880 signal from the noise than Rotor World's Pat Doherty. 6 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:28,440 Let's find out whether you should be buying the dip. 7 00:00:28,990 --> 00:00:31,470 Or the rise on the biggest market movers in the fantasy 8 00:00:31,470 --> 00:00:35,190 football landscape. This is ADP chasing. 9 00:00:35,910 --> 00:00:43,670 Let's go, Pat Fryer helmos. This is This is why I'm hot. 10 00:00:43,670 --> 00:00:46,870 Anita Hand job, fix your side. Jamar. 11 00:00:47,510 --> 00:00:53,270 Elfo play Chase. You can't handle the heat. 12 00:00:53,630 --> 00:00:54,870 It looks like we're finding this voice. 13 00:00:55,030 --> 00:01:06,490 You're right. Welcome everybody to the first 14 00:01:06,730 --> 00:01:10,890 August edition of ADP Chasing. We started this back in 15 00:01:11,210 --> 00:01:13,650 February. I think we started way too 16 00:01:13,650 --> 00:01:16,210 early, but anyways, we're joined today. 17 00:01:16,410 --> 00:01:23,090 Normal crew except we got Gretsch here. 7 in for Davis and 18 00:01:23,090 --> 00:01:26,610 also joined by Roto Pat of Roto World Pat. 19 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,800 How's your August been going? You've been grinding, athletic 20 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,240 articles. How's your sort of training camp 21 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,720 news reading going? It's. 22 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,280 Been going well, but my life has been forever changed since the 23 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,880 Colt McCoy pointing thing. That's kind of changed things 24 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,040 around here that never had a podcast. 25 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:51,260 The bigger reaction that we got? To Johnny Venerable kind of 26 00:01:51,260 --> 00:01:53,020 blowing. Tell the story again, just in 27 00:01:53,020 --> 00:01:55,820 case there's someone hasn't heard and everyone wants to hear 28 00:01:55,820 --> 00:01:58,780 it again, even if they have. Cardinals are doing reps with 29 00:01:58,780 --> 00:02:00,140 Colt McCoy. You know they're starting 30 00:02:00,140 --> 00:02:02,180 quarterback, but he doesn't throw. 31 00:02:02,180 --> 00:02:06,700 He points, so he drops back when someone's open. 32 00:02:06,700 --> 00:02:09,340 He points at them and that's where he would have thrown the 33 00:02:09,340 --> 00:02:11,540 30 yard completion were he able to throw. 34 00:02:12,110 --> 00:02:14,910 We're the starting quarterback able to throw, yeah. 35 00:02:15,150 --> 00:02:17,390 The football. The crazy thing is I, like, 36 00:02:17,390 --> 00:02:20,510 reposted one of those clips to Twitter and I got people, like, 37 00:02:20,510 --> 00:02:23,630 angry at my mentions being like, this is completely normal. 38 00:02:23,630 --> 00:02:25,750 That, like, the first team quarterback is just pointing at 39 00:02:25,790 --> 00:02:27,230 people. Clearly, you clearly you've 40 00:02:27,230 --> 00:02:29,150 never watched a football practice before and I'm like. 41 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:31,560 I I don't think it's normal at all. 42 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,120 Like what it's like, what do you wanna find? 43 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,120 I'm gonna go in your, I'm gonna go into your replies and just 44 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,560 quote, retweet some of those guys and goes, this guy knows 45 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:43,760 ball. Yes, Sam, I saw you tweet 46 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:47,640 correctly that there are apocalyptic vibes emanating out 47 00:02:47,640 --> 00:02:49,200 of Arizona Cardinals training camp. 48 00:02:49,920 --> 00:02:50,880 Yeah, not just. That's everything. 49 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:51,920 Yeah. Yeah. 50 00:02:53,530 --> 00:02:54,570 Everything from Cardinals camp too. 51 00:02:54,570 --> 00:02:56,770 It's like the camera angles are really weird. 52 00:02:56,770 --> 00:03:00,210 It's like super, like zoomed out, like just yeah, well then 53 00:03:00,210 --> 00:03:01,650 they're. Practicing everything about it 54 00:03:01,650 --> 00:03:03,250 is just. Yeah, and they're like 55 00:03:03,250 --> 00:03:06,210 practicing on their real field, which just makes it feel weird, 56 00:03:06,210 --> 00:03:10,010 like they're just in their stadium since it's 129 degrees 57 00:03:10,010 --> 00:03:12,410 in Phoenix, so they can't practice anywhere then. 58 00:03:12,770 --> 00:03:14,330 They weren't even using the the practice. 59 00:03:14,410 --> 00:03:17,890 Field they might be for some things, but one of the infamous 60 00:03:17,890 --> 00:03:20,130 pointing clips was in the actual stadium. 61 00:03:21,210 --> 00:03:23,440 So yeah, just. Just to having a Cardinals 62 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:29,840 having a normal one. Well, Gretch, welcome back to 63 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:31,480 ADP Chasing. I think it's been a while since 64 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:33,120 you've been on. How was your weekend? 65 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,480 I heard you drove down to Oregon, get some more drafts in, 66 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,400 is that right? Yeah, that's correct. 67 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,400 Weekend was good. Busy. 68 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,800 It's that time of year. A lot of writing over on the CN 69 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,120 Signals newsletter. I can't. 70 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:48,880 You know, I can't do the Davis voice. 71 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,440 I don't have the wig like like Pete does. 72 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,840 But I'm glad I've always wanted to sum up for Davis. 73 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,240 It just feels, feels great. I'm gonna bring some hot tanks 74 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:00,760 today. Well, yeah, We'll be talking 75 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,360 about plenty of Chiefs players, so you'll get a chance to 76 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,480 channel your your inner Davis Matic. 77 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,400 Let's just dive into it, guys. We have a lot of camp news to 78 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,640 discuss. I think compared to normal 79 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,280 shows, we're gonna be focused just on risers and fallers. 80 00:04:16,649 --> 00:04:20,329 On this show. So what we're going to do is 81 00:04:20,329 --> 00:04:22,650 sort of talk about the biggest risers and followers and then 82 00:04:22,650 --> 00:04:27,250 walk through the camp news that sort of or whatever the new 83 00:04:27,250 --> 00:04:30,090 cycle is, that's sort of causing these players either rise or 84 00:04:30,090 --> 00:04:33,290 fall in a DP. So the first one that jumps out 85 00:04:33,290 --> 00:04:36,970 here, Jalen Hyatt, is the biggest riser by percentage 86 00:04:36,970 --> 00:04:41,050 change in a DP and raw change in a DP over the past week. 87 00:04:41,090 --> 00:04:45,410 He was going, you know, sort of almost undrafted pick 202. 88 00:04:45,780 --> 00:04:48,540 Has risen 2 rounds in last week, so that's a pretty big rise up 89 00:04:48,540 --> 00:04:52,580 to pick 179. What's basically caused this? 90 00:04:53,260 --> 00:04:56,180 I think a couple things. One, just camp highlights. 91 00:04:56,660 --> 00:04:59,780 Jalen Hyatt, obviously super fast, he looks good playing in 92 00:04:59,780 --> 00:05:01,620 shorts, sprinting down the football field. 93 00:05:01,860 --> 00:05:06,420 And two, he is getting some first team reps with the Giants 94 00:05:06,540 --> 00:05:08,380 in practice, which is interesting. 95 00:05:10,020 --> 00:05:14,630 Start with you, Rhoda Pat. Curious what your thoughts are 96 00:05:14,630 --> 00:05:18,550 on the Giants wide receivers core and Jalen Hyatt as well. 97 00:05:19,150 --> 00:05:21,390 Wasn't Hyatt? Isn't a lot of this been with 98 00:05:21,390 --> 00:05:24,110 Tyra, Tyrod Taylor, actually, he's going by Tyrod again. 99 00:05:24,110 --> 00:05:26,430 Isn't a lot of this like with Tyrod Taylor? 100 00:05:26,590 --> 00:05:29,310 Was kind of my first thought. I think some of the crane, some 101 00:05:29,310 --> 00:05:33,510 of the like the gifts I've seen, like a Tyrod hitting Jalen Hyatt 102 00:05:33,510 --> 00:05:36,390 for another bomb. As Daniel Jones talks to the 103 00:05:36,390 --> 00:05:38,830 press corps about, he's going to throw even shallower in 104 00:05:38,830 --> 00:05:42,670 2022-2023, whatever year it is. And that was my first 105 00:05:42,670 --> 00:05:43,790 impression. I feel like every time we see a 106 00:05:43,790 --> 00:05:46,510 tweet about Jalen Hyatt, it's also in reference to Tyrod 107 00:05:46,510 --> 00:05:48,110 Taylor. Or is that my imagination? 108 00:05:48,790 --> 00:05:52,350 I think that was true for a time because the reports out of mini 109 00:05:52,350 --> 00:05:55,350 camp and stuff was that he was with the third team offense and 110 00:05:55,350 --> 00:06:00,190 then we had the narrative with you know these they ball kind of 111 00:06:00,390 --> 00:06:05,590 move is to bring rookies along slowly and you know Slaton and 112 00:06:05,590 --> 00:06:09,150 him seem like very kind of overlapping in their skill sets 113 00:06:09,190 --> 00:06:11,730 and Slaton is sort of a trusted. You know, veteran. 114 00:06:11,730 --> 00:06:14,570 And so it's just like seemed like he was going to get brought 115 00:06:14,570 --> 00:06:16,650 along slowly. But today I was actually reading 116 00:06:16,690 --> 00:06:19,730 in the athletic quote from this article. 117 00:06:19,730 --> 00:06:22,850 It says Hyatt has proved fast to be fast at everything, including 118 00:06:22,850 --> 00:06:26,130 moving up the depth chart. Hyatt, who spent time during the 119 00:06:26,130 --> 00:06:28,810 break before camp working with quarterback Daniel Jones, earned 120 00:06:28,810 --> 00:06:31,410 more reps with the starters after repeatedly burning the 121 00:06:31,410 --> 00:06:33,530 second team defense for long touchdowns. 122 00:06:33,770 --> 00:06:36,250 The big play ability continued with the starters as Jones and 123 00:06:36,250 --> 00:06:38,330 Hyatt connected for two deep touchdowns in Thursday's 124 00:06:38,330 --> 00:06:39,530 practice. So. 125 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:42,720 I feel like this is starting to be like a genuine drum beat, 126 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,360 like a dude. They kind of intended to bring 127 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,880 along slowly and he's sort of speeding up their plans a little 128 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,160 bit. I would say he's still probably 129 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,360 a late season bet, but the odds of him coming on down the 130 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,680 stretch appear to be getting better. 131 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,520 I would be remiss if I didn't mention I believe Dove. 132 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:05,280 The man known as Dove circulated the clip of Daniel Jones hitting 133 00:07:05,280 --> 00:07:08,240 him for a bomb over the weekend and I thought it was a bit of a 134 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,420 Tua type throw. Like, man, he really wound up 135 00:07:11,420 --> 00:07:13,940 for a long time when that passed, like longer than you can 136 00:07:13,940 --> 00:07:16,740 normally wind up in a real NFL game. 137 00:07:17,580 --> 00:07:21,380 But did hit him for a deep bum where he was falling backwards. 138 00:07:21,380 --> 00:07:26,780 And yeah, he has begun. I think his like overall reps to 139 00:07:26,780 --> 00:07:28,220 the first team offense are still. 140 00:07:28,670 --> 00:07:32,190 He's like ninth and first team reps or something, but he he is 141 00:07:32,190 --> 00:07:34,270 getting first team reps. They're no longer to say ninth 142 00:07:34,310 --> 00:07:36,870 among among wide receivers. I mean. 143 00:07:37,350 --> 00:07:39,710 Exactly. You know, Sterling Shepard and 144 00:07:39,710 --> 00:07:42,390 Cole Beasley and all those. I mean, I know they have a 145 00:07:42,390 --> 00:07:44,030 million. Yeah, Gretch, I think I'm at 146 00:07:44,030 --> 00:07:47,350 more 9th and targets with the first team offense, not 9th and 147 00:07:47,350 --> 00:07:50,230 reps they do. Yeah, a lot of they. 148 00:07:50,670 --> 00:07:53,350 I think that's actually close to, yeah, that's close to 149 00:07:53,350 --> 00:07:55,790 accurate. I get there so. 150 00:07:56,860 --> 00:07:58,420 There's still a slot. Sorry guys, I think something's 151 00:07:58,420 --> 00:08:02,420 going on with my Wi-Fi, but. We can hear you fine. 152 00:08:03,060 --> 00:08:05,060 Yeah, you seem normal. You've just. 153 00:08:05,100 --> 00:08:06,380 Seen that? Freaking out over nothing. 154 00:08:06,380 --> 00:08:10,260 To us okay, but. I was trying to make the joke 155 00:08:10,980 --> 00:08:14,180 several times that you need one or two more slot receivers. 156 00:08:15,990 --> 00:08:17,590 Yeah, they do. They definitely need some more 157 00:08:17,590 --> 00:08:19,430 slot receivers. I'm I'm concerned about their 158 00:08:19,430 --> 00:08:21,110 ability to. They're signing Jarvis Landry 159 00:08:21,110 --> 00:08:24,110 any, any day. Jarvis Landry was spotted at 160 00:08:24,110 --> 00:08:24,790 Newark. And this? 161 00:08:24,790 --> 00:08:26,470 Is no joke. Julian Element. 162 00:08:26,710 --> 00:08:31,070 Julian Element was spotted at the not a Joke So. 163 00:08:31,150 --> 00:08:33,270 Come on, man. No, I'm not. 164 00:08:33,270 --> 00:08:36,190 I'm actually not joking. Like, I think not as like a 165 00:08:36,190 --> 00:08:37,909 tryout. But he was actually physically 166 00:08:37,909 --> 00:08:40,630 there. He must be he he you know 167 00:08:40,710 --> 00:08:41,789 tables. He was Daniels. 168 00:08:44,770 --> 00:08:46,970 Sam, you might want to close and reopen Delay. 169 00:08:47,370 --> 00:08:48,770 Yeah. You're delighted. 170 00:08:48,930 --> 00:08:50,570 I'm going to leave and come back. 171 00:08:51,850 --> 00:08:53,730 Yeah, you think Davis is on a delay all the time? 172 00:08:56,770 --> 00:08:58,650 Dable. He wants some of that big Pat's 173 00:08:58,650 --> 00:09:00,250 energy. Everyone forgets. 174 00:09:00,250 --> 00:09:02,530 Not everyone forgets. A lot of people remember, 175 00:09:02,530 --> 00:09:06,210 actually, that Brian Dable is a Pat's disciple, but he's most 176 00:09:06,210 --> 00:09:07,650 recently, you know, of the Bills. 177 00:09:08,010 --> 00:09:10,680 But hey, maybe. Maybe he's just behind on doing 178 00:09:10,680 --> 00:09:14,360 the things that all horrible former Pat's assistants do. 179 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,160 Like, wow, Brian Dables, first year with the Giants actually 180 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:19,160 hired people that didn't work for Bill Belichick. 181 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,160 Now year two, he's like, all right, let's get in all the 182 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:25,040 Belichick people now. I think Dave all like we need to 183 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:28,920 get to the bottom of his disciple ship cuz is he a a 184 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,120 Belichick disciple or a Saban disciple? 185 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,920 I know it is confusing. It's admittedly I don't know 186 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,640 what the cannon is on that. We need to go to Bella Saban 187 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,730 Wiki. And like, really, really sort 188 00:09:39,730 --> 00:09:41,970 through the mythology. There it's a Sabin disciple 189 00:09:41,970 --> 00:09:43,650 because it's the success followed Sabin. 190 00:09:44,050 --> 00:09:47,770 I think, I think he's considered a Belichick disciple, although I 191 00:09:47,770 --> 00:09:50,930 think he's just Sabin all the way back like Michigan State, 192 00:09:51,410 --> 00:09:55,050 like in the 90s. It's really, it's like a sordid 193 00:09:55,050 --> 00:09:57,730 tail. I'm learning a lot about Brian 194 00:09:57,730 --> 00:09:59,290 Davel. Yeah, yeah, so far. 195 00:09:59,650 --> 00:10:02,650 It's a sordid tail. I believe he spent time with 196 00:10:02,650 --> 00:10:05,430 Mangini. Okay, it is sorted. 197 00:10:05,710 --> 00:10:07,830 There's a lot going on there with Brian Daybold. 198 00:10:10,110 --> 00:10:11,550 We're playing. Remember some guys? 199 00:10:11,550 --> 00:10:20,030 Gretch I'm curious how you curious how I what, Gretch, 200 00:10:20,110 --> 00:10:23,530 curious how you're. This is a disaster. 201 00:10:23,530 --> 00:10:24,810 There's something gone off my Wi-Fi. 202 00:10:25,010 --> 00:10:29,490 I'm trying my best. You're like, look, how are you? 203 00:10:29,530 --> 00:10:33,730 How are you approaching high rounds of drafts I haven't been 204 00:10:33,730 --> 00:10:35,410 taking? I haven't taken a lot of him. 205 00:10:35,490 --> 00:10:39,210 I've been avoiding the giants for the most part, just out of 206 00:10:39,210 --> 00:10:45,210 this idea that I'm I'm quite a bit more narrow, I think with my 207 00:10:45,210 --> 00:10:47,090 late round wide receivers than most drafters. 208 00:10:47,090 --> 00:10:52,320 I'm not really just like mixing in guys to stack like I I feel 209 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,040 like, you know, you definitely want bring backs like if you're 210 00:10:55,040 --> 00:11:00,040 doing like a RAM stack, but I don't think you have to have 211 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:00,880 them. I don't think any of the 212 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,080 research I've read is like you know you have to have them as a 213 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:07,000 precursor to win necessarily. And so like if it's not a great 214 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:11,440 bet then it's not a great bet. There's I think almost a 215 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,680 certainty that one of these Giants receivers is going to 216 00:11:13,680 --> 00:11:17,200 beat ADP and everything you guys are saying about high, it's kind 217 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:18,720 of drum beat does have me a little excited. 218 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:20,840 Like I think going forward I will take a little bit more high 219 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,280 it, but for the most part to me it's been such a cloudy 220 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:28,800 situation that I haven't wanted to prioritize it. 221 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:31,960 I also haven't taken a ton of Daniel Jones, so that's maybe 222 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,200 part of it as well. So I I wrote an article that 223 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,680 came out last week on McKay. It was one of the guys I used as 224 00:11:38,680 --> 00:11:40,520 an example. It's just like kind of a little 225 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,120 bit of like a tactic I thought was kind of interesting in these 226 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,640 week 17 type formats. You know that the best ball 227 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,960 mania type playoff contest where. 228 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,400 If you're taking Hyatt right, you're not necessarily even 229 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,960 betting on the Giants offense. Like if you're taking Slayton, 230 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:02,240 you're betting on the Giants offense to some degree because, 231 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:05,320 like Slayton, sort of a status quo bet on him maintaining 232 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:08,120 starter reps, You know, Daniel Jones is putting up a lot of 233 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:09,960 points early in the season. That's good for Slayton. 234 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,840 Hyatt can benefit from, like, chaos and, you know, the depth 235 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,320 chart just getting reshuffled. And so, like, the Giants don't 236 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,320 necessarily even need to have that great of a season. 237 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,760 You just are kind of betting on him and he is still priced. 238 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,920 Even though he's moving up, he's still priced is a late round 239 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:29,200 dark throw that you really just want to come on for the playoff 240 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:31,000 weeks. Those guys are pretty 241 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,280 interesting as bringbacks. Like if you're trying to get 242 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:37,080 more hired in, maybe try to get him in on Matthew Stafford. 243 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:41,000 Teams where you really are just betting on that Week 17 bring 244 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,360 back potential. If the Giants are a disaster 245 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,710 before the Rams pushed them in Week 17 who cares Yeah. 246 00:12:46,710 --> 00:12:49,430 Which also gets to your to your point earlier that high could be 247 00:12:49,430 --> 00:12:51,430 a good late season. I mean he's feels like if 248 00:12:51,750 --> 00:12:53,870 there's a little bit of drum beat here feels to me like a 249 00:12:53,870 --> 00:12:57,070 really nice one of those rookie late season bets we know rookie 250 00:12:57,070 --> 00:13:00,750 score more later in the year so that's I I like that take a lot. 251 00:13:00,830 --> 00:13:02,950 He's somebody I want to mix in One thing I do want to note, if 252 00:13:05,230 --> 00:13:08,670 you know what, on on Pat's comment about Daniel Jones 253 00:13:08,990 --> 00:13:10,590 basically saying he's gonna throw shorter. 254 00:13:11,140 --> 00:13:12,220 I mean, I think one of the biggest. 255 00:13:12,540 --> 00:13:14,420 He didn't really say that, by the way. 256 00:13:14,700 --> 00:13:17,340 It's just OK. I was gonna say if you were 257 00:13:17,340 --> 00:13:18,900 serious about it, cuz I could tell. 258 00:13:19,340 --> 00:13:21,020 Yeah, and I'm sorry. And you would. 259 00:13:21,060 --> 00:13:23,500 I would be someone to trust on that since I read the news all 260 00:13:23,500 --> 00:13:25,980 day. He did not mean to mislead you 261 00:13:25,980 --> 00:13:29,300 there, but I will. Even even if he hasn't said that 262 00:13:29,300 --> 00:13:32,100 it's a valid. There's some truth to the joke 263 00:13:32,100 --> 00:13:33,900 obviously. And it's a it's an interesting 264 00:13:33,900 --> 00:13:37,860 point because I just you know you just mentioned I I had Sam 265 00:13:37,860 --> 00:13:40,860 that that long drive to Oregon. I finished listening to Jordan 266 00:13:40,860 --> 00:13:44,020 Rodrigues awesome playmakers series, five part series that 267 00:13:44,020 --> 00:13:47,740 the athletic incredible. I mean I do think one of the 268 00:13:47,740 --> 00:13:50,660 things we are missing as a fantasy industry is how the 269 00:13:50,660 --> 00:13:53,740 defense is played in 2022 and then 2021 and how a docs came 270 00:13:53,740 --> 00:13:55,700 down. You have Robert Sala, I think in 271 00:13:55,700 --> 00:13:59,670 episode 4 or maybe Episode 5 of that series literally saying our 272 00:13:59,670 --> 00:14:02,870 goal is to stop explosive plays. Like, he's straight up saying we 273 00:14:02,870 --> 00:14:04,830 want you to matriculate the ball down the field, which is one of 274 00:14:04,830 --> 00:14:06,790 the things that, you know, we speculated about. 275 00:14:06,790 --> 00:14:08,870 I think in the fantasy industry. I know Sean and I talked about a 276 00:14:08,870 --> 00:14:11,470 ton stealing bananas last year. Like that's the goal of these 277 00:14:11,470 --> 00:14:14,270 defenses right now, this cover to Shell and the way that 278 00:14:14,270 --> 00:14:17,550 they're doing things is to stop explosive plays and make you 279 00:14:17,550 --> 00:14:20,790 beat them underneath. Jalen Hyatt and these types of 280 00:14:20,790 --> 00:14:24,360 prospects for me are a little bit thinner bets as a result of 281 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:28,040 the atmosphere they're coming into in the 2020 to NFL or 2023 282 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,760 NFL over like a multi decade span. 283 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:35,480 Like we're coming into an era where defenses focus is to stop 284 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:37,880 explosives. This is an explosive play 285 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,320 receiver. So I'm like a little bit more 286 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,320 intrigued by like the upside profile of Wanda Robinson for 287 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,080 example. That's the giant that I have 288 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,360 taken on some bringbacks. I don't love him. 289 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,680 There's a lot of spots. I took Robinson a lot, but then 290 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:54,870 I was like. They're signaling like this dude 291 00:14:54,870 --> 00:14:56,950 might not play this. Year They literally signed Cole 292 00:14:56,950 --> 00:14:57,830 Beasley I. Mean. 293 00:14:57,910 --> 00:14:59,110 Yeah. Once they signed Cole Beasley, I 294 00:14:59,110 --> 00:15:02,070 was like, oh, Robinson might be a 2024 play. 295 00:15:02,750 --> 00:15:04,270 Like that's. I'm starting to get pretty 296 00:15:04,270 --> 00:15:07,110 nervous about the the injury and just how many, literally how 297 00:15:07,110 --> 00:15:08,710 many slot receivers they have on the roster. 298 00:15:08,710 --> 00:15:11,270 Like, sort of. It could be a signal, I think, 299 00:15:11,350 --> 00:15:12,990 yeah. So maybe it's the Giants. 300 00:15:12,990 --> 00:15:15,870 Isn't isn't the right way of making this point, but high it 301 00:15:15,870 --> 00:15:17,990 in general. And just like there's there's 302 00:15:17,990 --> 00:15:20,590 several other deep threats where like I kind of like the 303 00:15:20,590 --> 00:15:22,430 profiles. But I'm reminding myself, like 304 00:15:22,830 --> 00:15:25,350 these are the types of players and these are the they succeed 305 00:15:25,350 --> 00:15:28,150 in the types of areas that NFL defenses are trying to take away 306 00:15:28,150 --> 00:15:29,630 right now. And it's a copycat league and 307 00:15:29,630 --> 00:15:32,790 all the defenses are doing. Yeah, the car was thrown in 308 00:15:32,790 --> 00:15:35,590 reverse last year, Gretch. Like, it's not just anecdotal. 309 00:15:35,590 --> 00:15:38,470 I mean, we know empirically from advanced stats, from just the 310 00:15:38,470 --> 00:15:43,470 raw stats, the car was already kind of beginning to idle and 311 00:15:43,470 --> 00:15:46,150 like the big play thing was like officially thrown in reverse 312 00:15:46,150 --> 00:15:48,710 last year. And yeah, Jalen Hayek could be 313 00:15:48,710 --> 00:15:51,370 like. An Mvs like cannon fodder type 314 00:15:51,370 --> 00:15:55,290 guy, like your whole job is to absorb like fire field and 315 00:15:55,850 --> 00:15:57,890 you're not gonna get the boss. Especially since Daniel Jones 316 00:15:57,890 --> 00:16:01,290 now under back-to-back coaching Staffs 1A horrible coaching 317 00:16:01,290 --> 00:16:03,890 staff and then one a very good coaching staff still just does 318 00:16:03,890 --> 00:16:06,050 not like to throw deep. Even though he always grades out 319 00:16:06,050 --> 00:16:08,010 well at doing it, he doesn't do it. 320 00:16:08,490 --> 00:16:11,690 He doesn't like to do it. I think they cover two things 321 00:16:11,690 --> 00:16:15,010 definitely like real, like it. Definitely there was an uptick 322 00:16:15,010 --> 00:16:17,700 in Cover 2, but I. I I feel it. 323 00:16:17,700 --> 00:16:19,420 I remember. I feel like I remember Kevin 324 00:16:19,420 --> 00:16:22,500 Cole pushing back on just like how much more and like the. 325 00:16:22,500 --> 00:16:25,060 I think it actually feels to me like it might be potentially 326 00:16:25,180 --> 00:16:28,100 kind of an overblown thing. Well create it's also like it's 327 00:16:28,300 --> 00:16:31,780 it's it's not like it's the most difficult coverage look to beat 328 00:16:31,940 --> 00:16:34,020 like teams knew how to do it. They just teams. 329 00:16:34,020 --> 00:16:35,340 They didn't have to do it that case. 330 00:16:36,060 --> 00:16:40,020 Yeah, the only thing is I, I so I think like if you're the 331 00:16:40,340 --> 00:16:42,740 Bengals, if you're looking at the Bengals and you're like. 332 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,840 I think Smith might see some dump off targets because they're 333 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,000 just going to then I I agree with that. 334 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:54,320 But with like teams like the Giants, like I think you know 335 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:57,240 Daniel Jones and Sake 1 Barkley are probably going to run 336 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:59,800 together a lot like that. You know they were using Daniel 337 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:03,080 Jones more as like a mobile quarterback and the trick with 338 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:05,480 like what tables going to be trying to do is get them out of 339 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:09,400 the cover too by running it and then take shots when they are 340 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:11,540 so. With a guy like Hyatt, right, 341 00:17:11,579 --> 00:17:13,619 You're playing, defenses aren't getting out of it. 342 00:17:13,619 --> 00:17:16,420 That's like we keep talking about this on fantasy pods, but 343 00:17:16,420 --> 00:17:18,780 like defenses aren't rolling out of the cover, too. 344 00:17:18,780 --> 00:17:22,540 They're staying in it. That's why we had teams run or 345 00:17:22,540 --> 00:17:27,740 like throw at like record breakingly low levels or also 346 00:17:27,740 --> 00:17:29,620 high levels last. Year the box I'm gonna have to 347 00:17:29,620 --> 00:17:32,420 dig into this because like I I think that's happening to like 348 00:17:32,420 --> 00:17:34,780 the Chiefs and stuff. But I don't think like you're 349 00:17:34,780 --> 00:17:38,860 playing like, why would you, why would you play like, why would 350 00:17:38,860 --> 00:17:41,950 you just be like? I can't let you know Daniel 351 00:17:41,950 --> 00:17:44,350 Jones beat me deep when he's mobile or Justin Fields beat me 352 00:17:44,350 --> 00:17:46,830 deep when he's mobile. Like these guys, they stacked it 353 00:17:46,830 --> 00:17:50,070 like the Falcons faced a lot of stacked boxes last year cuz they 354 00:17:50,070 --> 00:17:52,510 had Marcus Mariota, you know, like they weren't. 355 00:17:52,510 --> 00:17:54,750 He wasn't seeing those Cover 2 shells the same way these other 356 00:17:54,750 --> 00:17:57,830 guys are. By the way, the Giants, how many 357 00:17:57,830 --> 00:18:00,430 receivers do you think they have on their 90 man roster right 358 00:18:00,430 --> 00:18:03,430 now? You're allowed to carry 90 359 00:18:03,430 --> 00:18:04,510 players during. Turning 12. 360 00:18:05,390 --> 00:18:07,990 They do have 12. Sam is correct, 12. 361 00:18:08,190 --> 00:18:10,790 That does not include Wandale, who's not on the active roster 362 00:18:10,790 --> 00:18:14,230 since he's on the PUP list, and so they've got 13 if they've got 363 00:18:14,230 --> 00:18:16,590 Wanda. Seems like a lot of players at 364 00:18:16,590 --> 00:18:19,150 one position when you're allowed to be total players, yeah, 365 00:18:19,150 --> 00:18:21,750 especially because Derek Waller's gonna split out some. 366 00:18:21,950 --> 00:18:23,630 I know you haven't. You wouldn't gotta do that. 367 00:18:23,750 --> 00:18:25,710 He's gonna split out point wide receiver. 368 00:18:25,790 --> 00:18:27,270 They're saying that to you? You were. 369 00:18:27,270 --> 00:18:28,990 You were mentioning that a while back, Gretch. 370 00:18:29,030 --> 00:18:31,710 And I've. I've seen reports now. 371 00:18:32,110 --> 00:18:35,830 That they do have sets with Bellinger tight end and Waller 372 00:18:36,190 --> 00:18:39,470 moving around the formation. So like, on top of everything, 373 00:18:40,070 --> 00:18:42,190 you have to deal with Darren Waller playing wide receiver, 374 00:18:42,190 --> 00:18:45,430 which is the best wide receiver? Isn't even one of those 13 guys 375 00:18:45,510 --> 00:18:47,310 like that? Was their big wide receiver 376 00:18:47,350 --> 00:18:48,110 edition? Is it tight? 377 00:18:48,190 --> 00:18:50,270 End Collin Johnson's also gotten some buzz. 378 00:18:50,830 --> 00:18:57,190 Oh my gosh, they let their. Last thing I'll say. 379 00:18:57,190 --> 00:18:58,670 And then let's move on to Justin. 380 00:19:00,430 --> 00:19:01,950 Yeah. The last thing I'll say and then 381 00:19:01,950 --> 00:19:05,590 move on to Justin Ross. Jalen Hyatt does have less 382 00:19:05,590 --> 00:19:09,150 catches than a cold Beasley and Lebanon 11 team drills through 383 00:19:09,310 --> 00:19:13,110 my practices, so that doesn't I do. 384 00:19:13,110 --> 00:19:17,950 Seem like the DIPE is fully, fully justified, but I do kind 385 00:19:17,950 --> 00:19:19,310 of get it for the late season break out. 386 00:19:20,060 --> 00:19:21,380 I do want to circle back on that. 387 00:19:21,420 --> 00:19:22,180 Too high. Let's talk. 388 00:19:22,260 --> 00:19:25,260 Let's talk to Justin Ross. Oh yeah, real quick. 389 00:19:25,540 --> 00:19:27,140 Nick makes a great point about the play callers. 390 00:19:27,140 --> 00:19:28,460 Thing is that they're showing these two I looks. 391 00:19:28,460 --> 00:19:31,260 They're rotating post snap. The defenses are doing more 392 00:19:31,540 --> 00:19:35,140 adjustments after the snap, making quarterbacks read things. 393 00:19:35,300 --> 00:19:37,100 That was the main point of play callers. 394 00:19:37,100 --> 00:19:39,460 It's not as simple as, oh, they're not getting out of too 395 00:19:39,460 --> 00:19:41,140 high. The whole point was that they're 396 00:19:41,140 --> 00:19:42,940 not doing what they're showing you. 397 00:19:42,940 --> 00:19:45,340 They're not as regulated, as Sean McVeigh called it in the 398 00:19:45,340 --> 00:19:48,010 Play Callers series. They are less regulated. 399 00:19:48,010 --> 00:19:50,730 They're moving around more. But my point is their philosophy 400 00:19:50,730 --> 00:19:53,850 is to take away space, to take away explosives. 401 00:19:54,250 --> 00:19:58,210 And that's, I mean, it's gonna impact the 2023 season in a 402 00:19:58,210 --> 00:20:00,730 pretty big way. Before I know we have to move 403 00:20:00,730 --> 00:20:04,890 on, but and I also know this show is like a we're in like the 404 00:20:04,890 --> 00:20:07,330 heart of best ball territory. The crane. 405 00:20:07,330 --> 00:20:11,570 It was still astonishing to hear you talking about stacking Jalen 406 00:20:11,570 --> 00:20:16,960 Hyatt and Matthew Stafford. Genuinely astonishing. 407 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:18,840 And like with a total straight face. 408 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:22,080 Because it does make sense. That's why you're here. 409 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,840 But it was still astonishing. Well, sorry, Yeah. 410 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,480 Yeah, I guess what I'm going to try to dig in on the two High 411 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,960 thing a little bit more, Ben. But like my my big push back 412 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,720 there is just like, I have to imagine that, like teams are 413 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:40,680 scheming for Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen pretty differently 414 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,760 than for some of these, like more mobile quarterbacks that 415 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:47,070 they're just not as afraid of. With the deep shot stuff and 416 00:20:47,070 --> 00:20:48,390 they are more for their their legs. 417 00:20:48,390 --> 00:20:50,270 They are, but I I don't think it's as simple. 418 00:20:50,270 --> 00:20:52,790 I I wasn't trying to come down on you necessarily, but I've 419 00:20:52,790 --> 00:20:54,750 heard that a lot where it's like, Oh yeah, because they're 420 00:20:54,750 --> 00:20:56,630 mobile, they're going to get more one high looks, whatever. 421 00:20:56,630 --> 00:20:58,270 And it's not that simple. I don't. 422 00:20:58,270 --> 00:21:00,230 Think maybe not free snap because they're rotating. 423 00:21:00,230 --> 00:21:01,190 Is that what you mean? Yeah. 424 00:21:01,670 --> 00:21:03,030 Yeah, yeah, I mean, maybe that's it. 425 00:21:03,030 --> 00:21:05,590 Maybe because of rotations and stuff, it probably does open up 426 00:21:05,590 --> 00:21:08,710 the downfield passing to have a mobile QB to some degree, but I 427 00:21:08,710 --> 00:21:10,830 don't think it's it's going to be as simple as that. 428 00:21:11,950 --> 00:21:14,030 Anyway, we should move on to to the Chief Sam's. 429 00:21:14,430 --> 00:21:16,150 Same station to get some Justin Ross talking. 430 00:21:19,070 --> 00:21:21,830 Yeah, I mean, we normally spend 45 minutes in the Giants wide 431 00:21:21,830 --> 00:21:28,230 receiver room, so it's good to. Let's talk about another team 432 00:21:28,230 --> 00:21:31,230 that has seemingly 12 wide receivers that are all getting 433 00:21:31,230 --> 00:21:33,270 hypen camp, the Kansas City Chiefs. 434 00:21:33,630 --> 00:21:37,670 Justin Ross is up around and a half, up 8% in a DP. 435 00:21:37,670 --> 00:21:41,310 He is now getting drafted in almost every single underdog 436 00:21:41,310 --> 00:21:44,880 draft. In around the 16th or 17th round 437 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:49,640 right now, this again, it's kind of a similar story to Hyatt. 438 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,240 There's word he's getting reps with the first team, not 439 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,840 necessarily a starter with the first team, but is getting reps 440 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,840 from the first team. And the Chiefs Twitter account 441 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,680 is just relentless in sending us these Justin Ross highlights. 442 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,680 I don't know if the guy who manages this has some Justin 443 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,120 Ross Dynasty shares he's trying to offload, but man, the the 444 00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:11,120 Justin Ross hype from Kansas City's main account is just. 445 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,040 Absurd. So I don't know. 446 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,800 I'm curious, I guess, starting with you, Pat. 447 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,120 What are your thoughts on Justin Ross? 448 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:27,360 Do you think this is legitimate or are we just getting bored at 449 00:22:27,360 --> 00:22:30,000 this point in the off season? So I'm gonna assume you meant 450 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:30,760 this. Pat. 451 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,920 Me and I will start talking and. Yeah, you're Pat for this 452 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,000 episode. Notice I've noticed some of the 453 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:40,040 highlights now do feature pads being worn, so that's good. 454 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,500 And it is interesting. It's veering into drum beat 455 00:22:43,500 --> 00:22:47,820 territory because it's Chiefs media, it's been some teammates, 456 00:22:47,900 --> 00:22:50,780 It's been the big Kahuna himself, Patrick Mahomes. 457 00:22:50,780 --> 00:22:55,620 I mean this was always the the thesis of the Justin Ross play, 458 00:22:55,660 --> 00:22:59,140 was it not for the Chiefs and fantasy managers, It wasn't 459 00:22:59,140 --> 00:23:00,580 going to be like a one year thing. 460 00:23:00,940 --> 00:23:03,980 He had the red shirt and he was always like when we talked about 461 00:23:03,980 --> 00:23:07,140 Justin Ross. Last year was like 2023 and we 462 00:23:07,140 --> 00:23:09,460 know when that usually happens. We just like never hear from the 463 00:23:09,460 --> 00:23:12,720 player again like the like the next year, like they're just out 464 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,120 of the league. But Justin Ross is actually 465 00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:19,760 living up to the thesis of the play and his he's doing step 466 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,160 one, which is to create lots of training camp content. 467 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,320 A lot of people never move on to Step 2. 468 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,160 But as much as I want to joke about it and like, not get 469 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:32,240 excited about it, like he he's checking the you can't like poke 470 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,320 a hole in the argument so far like he's doing as of August 471 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,880 7th, he's doing everything he needs to do through the 1st 10 472 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,490 days of training camp. It's like maybe actually become 473 00:23:40,490 --> 00:23:43,570 a thing. The guy that was this player in 474 00:23:43,570 --> 00:23:46,210 Chiefs camp at this time last year was Isaiah Pacheco and 475 00:23:46,210 --> 00:23:49,450 there was a lot of smoke behind or a lot of fire behind that 476 00:23:49,450 --> 00:23:51,650 smoke. So I mean, it is interesting to 477 00:23:51,650 --> 00:23:55,570 hear this type of buzz from a team that gave us the same type 478 00:23:55,570 --> 00:23:57,790 of buzz from a no name. They're not. 479 00:23:57,790 --> 00:24:01,030 No name but a less heralded player last year and then 480 00:24:01,030 --> 00:24:03,430 followed through on that. Gretch, I just got a really 481 00:24:03,430 --> 00:24:05,950 Galaxy bringing idea while you were talking. 482 00:24:06,070 --> 00:24:09,150 And I I'm gonna share like I'm gonna share this take like like 483 00:24:09,150 --> 00:24:10,870 I actually do maybe believe this. 484 00:24:10,870 --> 00:24:15,350 That maybe the Chiefs, since they're just so good 22 Super 485 00:24:15,350 --> 00:24:17,710 Bowls, went in the past for you. Maybe they just, they don't care 486 00:24:17,710 --> 00:24:20,510 about cloak and dagger training camp stuff anymore. 487 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,160 You know, like a lot of teams would try to confuse the issue 488 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,080 like, oh, Justin Ross, yeah, that means playing. 489 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,520 Yeah, he's on the field, but like, I doesn't mean anything 490 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:29,960 like, like, you know, the coaching staff. 491 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:31,240 But I do everything to downplay it. 492 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,160 They did everything to up the up play Isaiah Pacheco last year. 493 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,400 And yeah, maybe the Chiefs are, like, so confident, Like they 494 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,620 don't think they've like, try to keep Justin Ross a secret or try 495 00:24:40,620 --> 00:24:44,220 to keep that kind of, like freely hyping Justin Ross. 496 00:24:44,340 --> 00:24:45,700 Yeah, or maybe it's like they want to build us. 497 00:24:45,700 --> 00:24:49,500 Confidence is like a bigger priority than like keeping it a 498 00:24:49,500 --> 00:24:50,740 secret. Because who cares? 499 00:24:50,740 --> 00:24:52,380 We have Patrick from Holmes. We don't care who's playing 500 00:24:52,540 --> 00:24:56,900 exactly like. I've also yeah, I've tried to 501 00:24:56,900 --> 00:24:59,220 figure out new ways to bury MBS every episode. 502 00:24:59,300 --> 00:25:04,420 And so this this time, last time I was on a podcast with Pat, I 503 00:25:04,420 --> 00:25:08,100 cited Open Score using all the wide receivers going back to 504 00:25:08,100 --> 00:25:11,110 2017. I'll mix it up this year and 505 00:25:11,110 --> 00:25:14,030 include this this episode include the tight ends going 506 00:25:14,030 --> 00:25:18,310 back to to 2017. So Open Score, ESPN's player 507 00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:21,950 tracking metric, has 648 wide receiver and tight end seasons 508 00:25:21,950 --> 00:25:26,870 going back to 2017 MB S Last year was ranked 620th of those 509 00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:30,190 648 seasons in open score last year. 510 00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:32,990 And there's also the yards after catch stuff that's that's 511 00:25:32,990 --> 00:25:36,550 horrendous for him. Out of those 600, it's actually 512 00:25:36,550 --> 00:25:39,710 649. There's a tie for 6:48, so 649 513 00:25:39,710 --> 00:25:43,110 seasons. MBS was 600 and 38th in yards 514 00:25:43,110 --> 00:25:45,550 after catch per the player tracking data. 515 00:25:45,550 --> 00:25:47,390 So if you're not getting open, you're not doing stuff after the 516 00:25:47,390 --> 00:25:48,750 catch it. Might be bad. 517 00:25:49,470 --> 00:25:51,070 We're talking about Ross. Why does that be? 518 00:25:51,150 --> 00:25:53,070 Like, was anyone making a game for MBS? 519 00:25:54,750 --> 00:25:57,630 Because I think Ross's path goes directly through MBS. 520 00:25:58,030 --> 00:26:01,830 He is MBS is like seen as this. Well, hey, he's going to get out 521 00:26:01,830 --> 00:26:02,670 there. He's going to be running the 522 00:26:02,670 --> 00:26:06,510 routes like maybe not like I think if you're taking MBS. 523 00:26:07,540 --> 00:26:09,460 I would be reconsidering it right now with this Ross site 524 00:26:09,460 --> 00:26:12,100 because Ross is a taller outside wide receiver. 525 00:26:12,660 --> 00:26:14,700 Maybe he's taking stuff from Justin Ross to begin with. 526 00:26:14,700 --> 00:26:18,940 But like if Tony gets back at some point this year and can 527 00:26:18,940 --> 00:26:23,860 actually play, then he would be playing over Justin Watson as 528 00:26:23,860 --> 00:26:25,740 well. And they're either running 529 00:26:25,740 --> 00:26:27,820 probably Sky Moore or Richie James out of the slot. 530 00:26:27,820 --> 00:26:31,780 So if Ross is out there and Tony's out there, MBS is gonna 531 00:26:31,780 --> 00:26:33,320 be. I mean, by the way, MBS was 532 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,200 rotating off last year as well. He didn't have like a locked in 533 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,960 route rate even last year. So I don't know. 534 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,680 This raw stuff, at the very least is making me extremely. 535 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,200 No one did MBS. No one did, right. 536 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,080 Like as you're saying that I was thinking through last year, they 537 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,440 rotated a lot and they they'll probably will again this year. 538 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,680 But I I like that. Take that MBS, he wound up 539 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,840 running the most routes in this passing game last year other 540 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,400 than Kelsey and that could come if that could not happen this 541 00:26:58,400 --> 00:26:59,880 year, he could be like third or something. 542 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:01,240 He could come down pretty easily, yeah. 543 00:27:02,140 --> 00:27:06,300 Yeah the the numbers too. Like what I'm wondering with 544 00:27:06,300 --> 00:27:09,380 Ross is you know he's getting all this hype but I I still 545 00:27:09,380 --> 00:27:12,060 think there is a question if he makes the roster right? 546 00:27:12,060 --> 00:27:15,500 Cuz assuming let's assume for a second that Tony is healthy 547 00:27:15,500 --> 00:27:18,180 enough to be on the roster week one, which maybe isn't a fair 548 00:27:18,180 --> 00:27:20,460 assumption but just go with me for a second. 549 00:27:20,780 --> 00:27:24,300 Then if you say Tony's locked into a roster spot, you say you 550 00:27:24,300 --> 00:27:26,780 know Rashi, Rice, Sky, Moore, obviously second round picks the 551 00:27:26,780 --> 00:27:29,540 last few years, they're locked into roster spots You have. 552 00:27:30,020 --> 00:27:33,700 Justin Watson and Mvs both making guaranteed money locked 553 00:27:33,700 --> 00:27:36,940 into roster spots. Then it starts just to get 554 00:27:36,940 --> 00:27:39,020 tough. Like typically teams only will 555 00:27:39,020 --> 00:27:42,620 cover or will only carry 6 wide receivers on an active roster 556 00:27:42,860 --> 00:27:44,620 and maybe have 5 active for game days. 557 00:27:44,620 --> 00:27:48,740 So the thing with Ross is I'm just like who who loses out and 558 00:27:48,740 --> 00:27:51,100 doesn't make the roster. If he does, it could be Tony's 559 00:27:51,100 --> 00:27:54,100 just injured and they stash Tony on IR and that's sort of how 560 00:27:54,460 --> 00:27:57,990 they do it, but. Yeah, I think that's right. 561 00:27:58,750 --> 00:28:00,270 That's the kind of move that they will make. 562 00:28:00,270 --> 00:28:03,510 They won't cut Ross, not after this type of hype and this and 563 00:28:03,550 --> 00:28:07,470 and his career and the ways Pat, you could talk to this way 564 00:28:07,470 --> 00:28:08,950 better than me. But the Chiefs and the way Andy 565 00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:11,790 Reid does stuff like he loves like these positive stories, 566 00:28:11,790 --> 00:28:13,030 right? Like he kind of falls in love 567 00:28:13,030 --> 00:28:15,190 with them a little bit, right? No. 568 00:28:15,190 --> 00:28:17,670 Yeah, he kind of does. It is interesting from both you 569 00:28:17,670 --> 00:28:22,210 though like Sam is right, but I mean it could be like a surprise 570 00:28:22,210 --> 00:28:23,410 cut. I mean, we didn't even mention 571 00:28:23,410 --> 00:28:25,170 Richie James. Right. 572 00:28:25,730 --> 00:28:28,610 Maybe Justin Watson. Even though they love him, like 573 00:28:28,610 --> 00:28:31,570 the staff loves him. Mahome seems to love him. 574 00:28:31,570 --> 00:28:33,330 He hasn't only been with the team like one year. 575 00:28:33,330 --> 00:28:34,690 Maybe he's been with the team two years. 576 00:28:34,690 --> 00:28:36,370 I can't remember. What are the practice squad 577 00:28:36,370 --> 00:28:38,130 rules now? Cuz could they just stash him 578 00:28:38,130 --> 00:28:39,870 there like no one's taken him? Who? 579 00:28:39,870 --> 00:28:42,310 Justin Watson? Yeah, yeah, they probably could. 580 00:28:43,030 --> 00:28:46,510 Yeah, Richie James even can. Maybe if you wait till late 581 00:28:46,510 --> 00:28:49,150 enough in camp to, like, cut him, they can maybe even stash 582 00:28:49,150 --> 00:28:52,990 him on the practice squad. Because me, he's like 27. 583 00:28:53,870 --> 00:28:56,350 Yeah, you got no money. Yeah, he's kind of become a 584 00:28:56,350 --> 00:28:59,190 journey, man. But it is weird, which is also, 585 00:28:59,830 --> 00:29:02,030 this is like a little Justin Ross negative. 586 00:29:02,310 --> 00:29:06,630 There's been a hype for a lot of random chiefs, like not as much 587 00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:10,470 for Richie James and Justin Watson, but they love Justin 588 00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:12,190 Watson. What he brings, it's always 589 00:29:12,190 --> 00:29:14,990 stuff there's nothing to do with like being on the field, what he 590 00:29:14,990 --> 00:29:20,310 brings to the whiteboard. Really good friends in Mahomes 591 00:29:20,590 --> 00:29:22,910 and they never mentioned it all, like he's getting open all the 592 00:29:22,910 --> 00:29:26,070 time or something like that. But yeah, there's going to be, 593 00:29:26,750 --> 00:29:29,870 by definition, by necessity, like a surprising cut in the 594 00:29:29,870 --> 00:29:32,070 Chiefs receiver. Course well or I mean, yes, 595 00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:34,990 there might be one. But I like what Rohing's saying 596 00:29:34,990 --> 00:29:36,990 here, too. To apologize if I got the name 597 00:29:36,990 --> 00:29:40,070 wrong, but Chiefs beat reporter projected Tony starting on IR. 598 00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:42,070 As you were talking through this and as you were doing that, Sam, 599 00:29:42,070 --> 00:29:43,950 I was like, oh, Tony's definitely not starting on the 600 00:29:43,950 --> 00:29:45,350 active roster. They're gonna stash him. 601 00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:46,550 They're gonna say they need time. 602 00:29:47,110 --> 00:29:48,590 They need him to get back to 100%. 603 00:29:48,590 --> 00:29:50,790 Whether it's Pep or whatever they do, they're gonna stash 604 00:29:50,790 --> 00:29:52,150 him. Well, they got a little screwed 605 00:29:52,150 --> 00:29:54,870 because he he didn't start camp on the PUP list. 606 00:29:55,230 --> 00:29:58,110 So like, putting him on the PUP would have been by far the best 607 00:29:58,350 --> 00:30:00,870 IR. I guess the IR rules are pretty 608 00:30:00,870 --> 00:30:04,000 liberal at this point though, so he there's probably a pretty 609 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,320 good chance he starts an IR. It used to be more punitive if 610 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,480 you wanted to start an IR and now it doesn't really matter. 611 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,360 So almost no chance he's on the act of roster week one. 612 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,640 You're right, Gretch. Yeah, and finally Sam's right 613 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,720 about MBS is guaranteed money. They they can't move on from 614 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,360 him. Somehow he has a $10.5 million 615 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,160 cap hit this year, which is just absurd. 616 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,720 Yeah, they can't really move. I do think he can phased out on 617 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,290 MBS like. I kind of agree with you Pat, 618 00:30:32,290 --> 00:30:33,890 that I think a lot of people are touting Mvs. 619 00:30:33,890 --> 00:30:36,490 It's like his role is locked and he's so safe. 620 00:30:36,770 --> 00:30:39,890 Yes, he did run a lot of routes last year, but I made this point 621 00:30:39,890 --> 00:30:43,170 last week in the podcast. You look at week 10 on Justin 622 00:30:43,170 --> 00:30:47,490 Watson actually out snapped Mvs from week 10 on last year, not 623 00:30:47,490 --> 00:30:49,370 in terms of routes but in terms of snaps. 624 00:30:49,650 --> 00:30:54,170 So that's just a sign to me that like, hey, maybe maybe Justin 625 00:30:54,170 --> 00:30:58,050 Ross and Justin Watson actually could both pass Mvs and then 626 00:30:58,050 --> 00:31:00,340 it's kind of just like. You know what, What do you do 627 00:31:00,340 --> 00:31:02,820 here on this roster? MBS, you can become much more of 628 00:31:02,820 --> 00:31:06,940 a rotational sort of 2030% route rate deep threat first last year 629 00:31:06,940 --> 00:31:10,620 where he was more like 6070%, like I think his role could be 630 00:31:10,620 --> 00:31:12,300 cut in half. I wouldn't be surprised at all 631 00:31:13,420 --> 00:31:14,660 the young players passing in there. 632 00:31:15,100 --> 00:31:17,420 One more note on his contract cuz I knew they could have moved 633 00:31:17,420 --> 00:31:21,420 on after the last year. It says over on Over the Cap if 634 00:31:21,420 --> 00:31:24,700 on the roster on the third day of 2023 league year, 6.44 635 00:31:24,700 --> 00:31:26,620 million will be fully guaranteed so. 636 00:31:27,050 --> 00:31:29,970 They made a decision this year to keep him this offseason for 637 00:31:29,970 --> 00:31:32,410 six and a half million more guaranteed. 638 00:31:32,410 --> 00:31:34,690 That's why he's owed 10,000,010 and a half million. 639 00:31:34,810 --> 00:31:38,010 Six and a half million of that was a decision made this year. 640 00:31:38,450 --> 00:31:41,290 So interesting. I I'll know what the route rate 641 00:31:41,290 --> 00:31:44,770 stuff he was at 76% last year, which isn't very good for a wide 642 00:31:44,770 --> 00:31:47,330 receiver. Marvin Jones was at 76% last 643 00:31:47,330 --> 00:31:51,930 year for example, you know kind of a part time like. 644 00:31:52,290 --> 00:31:54,810 So it's just like if he goes much further down. 645 00:31:55,590 --> 00:31:58,030 So yeah, he's not gonna get, like, fully benched. 646 00:31:58,030 --> 00:32:01,950 He's not gonna get cut. They clearly like, see, hit he, 647 00:32:01,990 --> 00:32:03,990 you know, but he's probably Jalen Guidant, you. 648 00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:05,150 Know he's not good. Yeah. 649 00:32:05,390 --> 00:32:07,950 No, he's just there to stretch. He's never averaged more than 650 00:32:07,950 --> 00:32:10,710 five targets per game in a in a season in his career, never did 651 00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:12,710 in Green Bay, and he didn't last year with the Chiefs. 652 00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:15,270 He's not actually like a 12. Well, he's never, he's never 653 00:32:15,270 --> 00:32:16,830 played with a good quarterback, so. 654 00:32:18,590 --> 00:32:20,710 Yeah, only all three. Quarterbacks for this guy. 655 00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:23,070 Well, if there was that one chat, someone get Mvs a 656 00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:26,670 quarterback, yeah. I've pushed back on the two high 657 00:32:26,670 --> 00:32:29,230 stuff in some aspects, but I think like in this case like 658 00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:31,550 that he's a sacrifice to the two high guys. 659 00:32:32,070 --> 00:32:35,510 Just like, yeah, just run deep and take a guy with you and then 660 00:32:35,510 --> 00:32:40,870 we'll do something else. Let's move on here talking about 661 00:32:40,870 --> 00:32:44,590 Marvin Mims, maybe a guy we're a little bit more excited about 662 00:32:44,590 --> 00:32:46,510 than Hyatt or Ross. We'll see. 663 00:32:46,910 --> 00:32:50,670 He's up, obviously, on the kind of sad Patrick and Handler 664 00:32:50,670 --> 00:32:52,400 injuries. You gotta really feel for both 665 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,680 those guys. They've had terrible luck with 666 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:55,920 injuries throughout their whole career. 667 00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,200 That does open up a crazy opportunity for him at wide 668 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:05,440 receiver. 3I cited myself here in this picture, but you look at 669 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,280 the competition for three wide receiver sets in Denver, 670 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,000 assuming that Judy and Sutton are locked in as the starting 671 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,480 wide receivers. He's competing with Marquez, 672 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:17,360 Callaway, Montreal, Washington, Kendall Hinton, Little, Jordan, 673 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,680 Humphrey. It's basically Sean Payton this. 674 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,320 Is amazing that you bothered business doubt like Michael 675 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,080 Bandy and. Taylor Well, I couldn't figure 676 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:25,680 out like, how to rank these flick. 677 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,040 How do you rank these players? I was. 678 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:31,040 Like my favorite My favorite thing about doing the Broncos 679 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,240 projections this year and looking at their depth chart and 680 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,790 some of these names is. Sean Payton brought over three 681 00:33:36,790 --> 00:33:40,750 of his top 6 receivers in receiving yardage from his final 682 00:33:40,750 --> 00:33:43,350 year with the Saints, including Marcus Callaway led that team 683 00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:48,550 with 698 yards, yes, and one of his reserve running backs and 684 00:33:48,550 --> 00:33:52,230 Tony Jones Jr. right over Marcus Callaway, Little Jordan Humphrey 685 00:33:52,230 --> 00:33:55,210 and Adam Chautman. And Tony Jones, Junior. 686 00:33:55,210 --> 00:33:58,290 All these just random players. Tony Jones was so bad for the 687 00:33:58,290 --> 00:34:01,010 Seahawks last year, they used another day two pick on a 688 00:34:01,010 --> 00:34:02,930 running back. Like that's how starred they 689 00:34:02,930 --> 00:34:04,650 were by the Tony Jones experience. 690 00:34:04,770 --> 00:34:07,890 Last year, I just love Peyton's. Like, I want all these crappy 691 00:34:07,890 --> 00:34:11,489 players from my 2021 team That wasn't good enough that I quit. 692 00:34:14,090 --> 00:34:17,050 Well, you put it that way. Yeah. 693 00:34:17,969 --> 00:34:19,170 But I mean, it seems like there's. 694 00:34:19,530 --> 00:34:21,610 I mean, at least by the end of the year, I don't see any way 695 00:34:21,610 --> 00:34:24,810 that Mims doesn't at least have a shot to run routes. 696 00:34:24,810 --> 00:34:27,250 I mean, it'd be crazy if they didn't give him a chance over 697 00:34:27,250 --> 00:34:28,730 Callaway or a little Jordan Humphrey. 698 00:34:28,730 --> 00:34:31,850 So I'm pretty excited about him. Where he goes in best ball now, 699 00:34:32,449 --> 00:34:34,650 I guess start with you, Gretch. Pick 150 ish. 700 00:34:34,650 --> 00:34:37,330 That's his range. Do you think he's a exciting 701 00:34:37,330 --> 00:34:39,929 pick there? Did you say me sorry, I cough. 702 00:34:40,290 --> 00:34:42,850 Yeah, yeah, Grouch, yeah. Yeah, I I do. 703 00:34:42,889 --> 00:34:46,010 I think he's one of the best double digit upside. 704 00:34:46,730 --> 00:34:49,449 Late season rookie wide receiver plays right. 705 00:34:49,449 --> 00:34:52,170 Like there's not a ton of profiles in the double digit 706 00:34:52,170 --> 00:34:55,170 rounds that we think at wide receiver have a ton of upside. 707 00:34:55,170 --> 00:34:57,050 That's what we talk about. Like the wide receiver window 708 00:34:57,050 --> 00:35:00,170 and wide receiver heavy early in drafts and a lot of those 709 00:35:00,170 --> 00:35:03,010 philosophies. Mims is a legitimate double 710 00:35:03,010 --> 00:35:05,970 digit round upside profile that could be. 711 00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:08,190 Late in the season somebody who's really hitting. 712 00:35:08,190 --> 00:35:10,390 If Payton gets this thing turned around if Russell Wilson's a 713 00:35:10,390 --> 00:35:12,590 little bit better. There's some concerns in 714 00:35:12,590 --> 00:35:14,670 Cortland Sutton's profile. I've still drafted some Sutton 715 00:35:14,670 --> 00:35:16,870 but like there are paths to Cortland Sutton not being great 716 00:35:16,870 --> 00:35:19,510 this year or being sacrificed the two high gods right. 717 00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:22,430 And then it's Judy and and maybe Mims who is a good deep threat 718 00:35:22,430 --> 00:35:24,750 as well and could be the guy who sacrificed the two I gods. 719 00:35:24,750 --> 00:35:27,470 But maybe he winds up doing more in the intermediate range. 720 00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:29,870 I mean there's like we don't know what ton of how Payton's 721 00:35:29,870 --> 00:35:32,270 gonna use these guys. He used to rotate receivers a 722 00:35:32,270 --> 00:35:34,270 lot in the with the sink, so there are some, you know, some 723 00:35:34,270 --> 00:35:37,700 concerns here as well, but. To your point into your tweet, 724 00:35:37,700 --> 00:35:40,700 the competition is not stiff. He has a really good profile. 725 00:35:40,940 --> 00:35:44,340 He's a really easy, I think, double digit upside wide 726 00:35:44,340 --> 00:35:45,620 receiver. Profile is the way that I put 727 00:35:45,620 --> 00:35:47,980 it. The thing that concerns me with 728 00:35:47,980 --> 00:35:52,580 Mims so far, though, is all the hype is still from us. 729 00:35:52,980 --> 00:35:55,660 Like it hasn't been from the coaching staff, hasn't really 730 00:35:55,660 --> 00:35:59,900 been from the Broncos media. Injured rookies get treated like 731 00:36:00,020 --> 00:36:02,980 very punitively and I know he's finally back. 732 00:36:02,980 --> 00:36:06,940 But they are never happy. When, like a rookie misses like 733 00:36:06,940 --> 00:36:10,180 the first seven or eight days, it usually puts you like, back, 734 00:36:10,460 --> 00:36:14,180 like considerably far. He is at least a Peyton draft 735 00:36:14,180 --> 00:36:16,500 pick, so that's really good. So he is. 736 00:36:16,740 --> 00:36:18,460 So Peyton brought all these guys over. 737 00:36:18,460 --> 00:36:20,700 He's remembering like one guy after another. 738 00:36:20,980 --> 00:36:24,020 He did at least draft Marvin men, so he's at least a Peyton 739 00:36:24,020 --> 00:36:26,060 guy. I'd be much more concerned if 740 00:36:26,060 --> 00:36:28,580 he, like, was like a second year guy and wasn't Peyton's guy. 741 00:36:29,140 --> 00:36:32,380 And like Sam was saying like, he's going to have to play. 742 00:36:32,420 --> 00:36:34,970 I mean like almost is going to have to play, but I'm just 743 00:36:34,970 --> 00:36:36,730 afraid it could be like a challenge accepted type 744 00:36:36,730 --> 00:36:40,970 situation where like Sean Payton likes Marcus Callaway far, far 745 00:36:40,970 --> 00:36:43,450 more than the fantasy football community does. 746 00:36:43,890 --> 00:36:47,770 And but again you guys, you focus on late season a lot as 747 00:36:47,770 --> 00:36:50,850 you should and almost impossible to see. 748 00:36:50,850 --> 00:36:54,570 Marvin Men's not being like at least a staple in three receiver 749 00:36:54,570 --> 00:36:58,090 sets by the end of, and probably much sooner, and maybe even in 750 00:36:58,450 --> 00:37:02,160 some two wide looks. But I have all the hype so far. 751 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,080 Has not been from the people who matter. 752 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,920 Yeah, from people like us. I'll vouch for that because I 753 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,320 tried hard to dig up some Marvin Mims like camp clips or like 754 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,920 anything else to put on this slide to say like, oh, Marvin 755 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,080 Mims is doing great in camp. There's nothing. 756 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,520 I think a lot of that is cuz he has been injured but he's been 757 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,280 back practicing all of last week and it's just like radio silence 758 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,200 on the Marvin Mims Beat report, which could be nothing could 759 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,900 mean something. I, you know, I still like 760 00:37:27,900 --> 00:37:30,420 betting on him. The one thing I'll add with the 761 00:37:30,420 --> 00:37:34,620 Broncos, like, I think mems that pick 150, I'm totally in. 762 00:37:34,700 --> 00:37:37,100 If he rises, I've heard people talking about, you know, he 763 00:37:37,100 --> 00:37:40,820 should rise to the 120 range. I think there I get pretty 764 00:37:40,820 --> 00:37:44,420 nervous, like back in 2021, you know, thinking about how Sean 765 00:37:44,420 --> 00:37:45,980 Payton wants to run this offense. 766 00:37:46,220 --> 00:37:50,020 The Saints ran 11 personnel SO3 wide receiver sets at the 767 00:37:50,020 --> 00:37:53,420 seventh lowest rate in the entire NFL back then. 768 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,120 You know, they have Dulcich as a starting tight end. 769 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:57,720 They traded it for Adam Troutman. 770 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,000 They also gave Chris, Man hurts a guy. 771 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,640 No one talks about fantasy, but they gave him 3 million 772 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,320 guaranteed. He's like, you know, a 3040% 773 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,440 rotational snap player for the Jags last year as a blocker. 774 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,400 I think they're gonna run like a lot of two tight end sets in 775 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,160 Denver. I think Sean Payton wants to run 776 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,920 the ball and like, I'm not sure chasing, you know, the third 777 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:19,600 wide receiver on the Broncos is like. 778 00:38:20,070 --> 00:38:22,870 This incredible bet. I think it's certainly good 779 00:38:22,870 --> 00:38:26,630 where he goes now, but I'm a little wary of like, man, I just 780 00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:29,510 don't know about betting on Denver's passing game for the 781 00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:32,510 auxiliary options in the 10th or 11th round. 782 00:38:32,510 --> 00:38:36,310 If he rises that high, it's good to so yeah. 783 00:38:37,110 --> 00:38:39,510 Yeah, I mean, he's my, I think he's my most drafted wide 784 00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:42,910 receiver to date. Yeah, he is. 785 00:38:43,550 --> 00:38:44,910 He's my third most drafted player. 786 00:38:44,910 --> 00:38:46,870 I mean, you look worried as you're saying that. 787 00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:50,320 No, I mean, obviously. You know, a lot of this came at 788 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,720 at lower prices, so I'm happy to take him. 789 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:55,360 You mentioned him moving up that far. 790 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,640 I think that's definitely possible, but I've been kind of 791 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,680 shocked by how little he's moved so far that in the last week or 792 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,440 so I thought I would be seeing him, you know, in the in the one 793 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,240 40s and stuff and he he'll get sniped. 794 00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:09,840 For me if I try to push him. He goes in the one 40s because 795 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:11,960 I'm now taking him in the one 40s because I'm sick of getting 796 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:17,160 sniped at like 149 or 150. But I am also sometimes just 797 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:18,520 seeing him when I'm on the clock. 798 00:39:18,830 --> 00:39:21,430 I wasn't even planning to take him still in that kind of like 799 00:39:21,430 --> 00:39:24,470 160 Midrank you know around there. 800 00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:28,030 And I I guess I've just a little bit surprised he hasn't moved up 801 00:39:28,030 --> 00:39:29,910 quicker. Maybe it is that people expect 802 00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:34,310 him and seeing the fields in a rotational role because because 803 00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:35,830 they do run some 12, I think they will. 804 00:39:35,830 --> 00:39:38,310 But it's probably what Sam said too. 805 00:39:38,310 --> 00:39:40,070 The height just hasn't been out there yet. 806 00:39:40,350 --> 00:39:43,790 Yeah, from the media, just because he's barely he, he must 807 00:39:43,790 --> 00:39:45,790 just be like getting up to speed basically. 808 00:39:45,790 --> 00:39:50,370 And so it's been a trap in the past, like a rookie gets injured 809 00:39:50,370 --> 00:39:53,530 early in camp, falls behind, there's no hype and then people 810 00:39:53,530 --> 00:39:55,850 just like fall asleep on them and then they are. 811 00:39:56,450 --> 00:39:59,690 Yeah, well there's yeah, there's been a lot of Odell Beckham type 812 00:39:59,690 --> 00:40:02,050 situations. But it is also, I feel like 813 00:40:02,050 --> 00:40:04,570 those are still the exceptions where like when a rookie starts 814 00:40:04,570 --> 00:40:08,530 hurt like the year, even if it's like for only only a week or two 815 00:40:08,530 --> 00:40:11,530 of camp, like a lot of times they're like way more buried 816 00:40:11,530 --> 00:40:13,490 than we would like on the early season depth chart. 817 00:40:14,570 --> 00:40:17,810 I wonder what the SO3 wide stuff like. 818 00:40:17,810 --> 00:40:21,210 I kind of agree that they'll probably run a lot of 12, but I 819 00:40:21,210 --> 00:40:24,290 also wonder if, like what Peyton was doing at the end of his 820 00:40:24,290 --> 00:40:25,930 Saints tenure. I mean, they ran out of wide 821 00:40:25,930 --> 00:40:27,690 receivers, like they just didn't have anybody. 822 00:40:27,730 --> 00:40:29,610 That's true. I mean, you know, they like 823 00:40:29,610 --> 00:40:32,410 Lance Moore used to be like a pretty dynamic fantasy wide 824 00:40:32,410 --> 00:40:35,370 receiver and he was a slot guy. You know, they've had a history 825 00:40:35,370 --> 00:40:37,690 of slot receiver production under Peyton. 826 00:40:37,690 --> 00:40:40,690 So I yeah, I don't know. We'll have to see. 827 00:40:40,690 --> 00:40:44,600 I do think they'll probably be taking Russ back to some of that 828 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:48,160 Seattle stuff and trying to pound the rock and like they got 829 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,640 to unlock the moon ball. You know that that is a team 830 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,640 that needs to be hitting explosives deep because Russ 831 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,560 isn't going to be, like matriculating the ball downfield 832 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,320 like they know. That's what the run game's for, 833 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:02,080 I think. Yeah, yeah, I yeah, that makes 834 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,200 sense. And just one thing to add on, on 835 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:10,120 Pat's point that like the trap of projecting the rookie into 836 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,610 volume right away like. Not to say that this is Jalen 837 00:41:13,610 --> 00:41:15,930 Tolbert, but this is the same thing with Jalen Tolbert last 838 00:41:15,930 --> 00:41:17,410 year. We're like, there's no like 839 00:41:17,410 --> 00:41:19,730 Jalen Tolbert has an easy path to playing, like there's no way 840 00:41:19,730 --> 00:41:22,850 he's gonna play behind Dennis Houston and Noah Brown. 841 00:41:22,890 --> 00:41:24,090 What do you have? Yeah. 842 00:41:24,450 --> 00:41:28,530 There's no way to sign up to Y Hilton in Week 16 and play him 843 00:41:28,530 --> 00:41:30,930 over daily, right? Yeah, that's that's a good 844 00:41:31,050 --> 00:41:33,450 point. They did so just not to say 845 00:41:33,490 --> 00:41:36,010 about him, Nims, but like I do wanna, like I kinda wanna see it 846 00:41:36,010 --> 00:41:38,250 in the preseason a little bit. I wanna like see it in the 847 00:41:38,250 --> 00:41:39,890 reporting like a little bit before I. 848 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:41,880 You know, I would be willing to chase them. 849 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,440 I think like higher if like we just get a little bit more 850 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,640 backing that like he is actually looking good and we're not just 851 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,560 you know, projecting. I think he's just a strong pick 852 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,200 where he's still going like I want, yeah. 853 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,920 I agree with that. You know, you know that I'm 854 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,400 taking like Van Jefferson's at 1:40, Michael Gallops at 137. 855 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,520 He was pretty bad last year. Maybe you know what we're like. 856 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,600 Hopefully he's better the second year off in ACL tear, even 857 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,920 though he has to deal with Brandon Cook's like like I'll 858 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,400 take him over him. You know it's really until if 859 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,320 you get to like Darnell Mooney or Jacoby Myers or Zay Jones or 860 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,600 Romeo Dobbs, Alan Lazar. Like I could still talk myself 861 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,200 in him over all those guys. But at least there you're like 862 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:22,320 these dudes are running routes and you know they they probably 863 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,280 are giving you a couple spike weeks, but it's until he's up 864 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:27,640 there, I think he's pretty strong pick. 865 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,440 I agree. Let's let's move to talking Zay 866 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,200 Flowers. Continuing the the rookie wide 867 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,680 receiver trend here on the show, Zay Flowers is up five spots 868 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:44,760 from pick 88 to pick 83, so he's going late 7th now pretty 869 00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,360 consistently. I think a lot of teams with 870 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,880 Lamar Jackson at the 3-4 turn are taking Flowers there. 871 00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,690 He's up. I think mostly just cuz 872 00:42:52,690 --> 00:42:55,530 Bateman's been missing and that's led to reports that 873 00:42:55,690 --> 00:42:58,850 Flowers is kind of firmly a starter in two wide receiver 874 00:42:58,850 --> 00:43:00,610 sets. I would note the reports aren't 875 00:43:00,610 --> 00:43:02,610 saying that like he's ahead of Bateman. 876 00:43:02,610 --> 00:43:05,330 The reports are mostly just saying because Bateman's not 877 00:43:05,330 --> 00:43:07,370 here right now. Flowers looks like the starter. 878 00:43:07,370 --> 00:43:09,970 I think that's kind of an important they're also saying 879 00:43:09,970 --> 00:43:10,690 he. Looks awesome. 880 00:43:11,290 --> 00:43:12,570 They are saying he looks awesome too. 881 00:43:12,610 --> 00:43:15,410 Yeah. So he's up because of that. 882 00:43:15,450 --> 00:43:18,500 I I. Kind of think I made a mistake. 883 00:43:18,500 --> 00:43:21,100 I was, you know, Bateman over flowers for most of the draft 884 00:43:21,100 --> 00:43:23,740 season. I was kind of ignoring the 885 00:43:23,740 --> 00:43:25,820 Bateman injury, I think a little bit too much. 886 00:43:26,060 --> 00:43:28,220 So I. Wish I wish I had more flowers 887 00:43:28,820 --> 00:43:31,500 at this point, but I'm kind of buying where he goes and drafts 888 00:43:32,340 --> 00:43:33,900 Rotopat. What are your what are your 889 00:43:33,900 --> 00:43:35,140 thoughts and flowers? You excited about him? 890 00:43:35,500 --> 00:43:38,780 Well, my thoughts and flowers are like very Bateman based 891 00:43:38,780 --> 00:43:42,580 where like they're trying to project positivity on Bateman, 892 00:43:42,580 --> 00:43:45,220 but it's still like it's gonna be out there soon. 893 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,320 Like you can you can. Like you can feel it like it's 894 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,000 gonna be soon. I I just know it. 895 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,240 And that is kind of, I felt like the tenor of the Bateman 896 00:43:53,240 --> 00:43:57,600 comments and you know just how is he not practicing still like 897 00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:02,760 it is like kind of shocking and is it he had OK so he got he had 898 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,120 a issue with this foot where they had to remove one of the 899 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,760 screws from this surgery and then he got a cortisone shot for 900 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,440 for the discomfort which. Is I just mean like how I wasn't 901 00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,120 debating. Of course he's not practicing 902 00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,430 after that, but. You know how is it after how 903 00:44:16,430 --> 00:44:19,550 little he played last year and it's August 7th, like he's still 904 00:44:19,950 --> 00:44:23,110 like, you know getting shots and like getting screws removed and 905 00:44:23,110 --> 00:44:25,190 that well the the shot. I don't think he's still getting 906 00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:26,790 shots. I think he's the right. 907 00:44:26,950 --> 00:44:32,350 When you get, as far as I understand it like he there's 908 00:44:32,350 --> 00:44:34,510 not like when you get the screw removed, right. 909 00:44:34,510 --> 00:44:36,630 That's potentially leading to additional instability or 910 00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:37,870 potential for swelling or whatever. 911 00:44:37,870 --> 00:44:41,670 So like they're resting him right now, like, you know, rest, 912 00:44:41,710 --> 00:44:44,170 rest away, rest away. Rest away. 913 00:44:44,170 --> 00:44:46,890 But it's a new this isn't Greg Roman anymore. 914 00:44:46,890 --> 00:44:49,010 It's not it. So it's not a whole new coaching 915 00:44:49,010 --> 00:44:51,410 staff offense. It's a new offensive staff and 916 00:44:51,930 --> 00:44:55,290 anybody who like. And two, it's a really bad setup 917 00:44:55,290 --> 00:44:56,690 for him because it's the new staff. 918 00:44:57,050 --> 00:44:59,970 And with the new staff at the shiny new toy and say Flowers, 919 00:44:59,970 --> 00:45:02,650 who is hitting the ground running and is like creating 920 00:45:02,650 --> 00:45:05,810 gifts every day in Ravens camp where it's kind of like a 921 00:45:05,810 --> 00:45:09,610 perfect storm of like negative Rashad Bateman hype, I feel 922 00:45:09,610 --> 00:45:11,290 like. And there's not going to be a 923 00:45:11,290 --> 00:45:14,540 lot of loyalty. From the Todd Monken staff to 924 00:45:14,540 --> 00:45:17,820 Rashad Bateman again, it's August 7th and they're still 925 00:45:17,820 --> 00:45:19,580 basically saying that he's a week away. 926 00:45:19,980 --> 00:45:23,140 Kind of like it's like an Elon Musk like update to like the 927 00:45:23,180 --> 00:45:25,580 like, yeah, next week I'm honestly. 928 00:45:25,620 --> 00:45:27,220 Cyber trucks are going to be shipped out. 929 00:45:27,220 --> 00:45:28,900 Next week for sure, yeah. They're gone. 930 00:45:29,260 --> 00:45:32,940 Yeah, sorry. I'm honestly fine with it. 931 00:45:32,940 --> 00:45:35,620 Like, because it's coming with a discount on Bateman. 932 00:45:36,780 --> 00:45:38,900 I know we're talking flowers here, but just on the Bateman 933 00:45:38,900 --> 00:45:40,580 side, like he's falling into the ninth round now. 934 00:45:40,580 --> 00:45:43,770 Like, cool. Like I'm in, I'm still in. 935 00:45:45,010 --> 00:45:46,890 I I I also want to be in on flowers though. 936 00:45:46,890 --> 00:45:49,930 I I tried like I was Bateman over Flowers for a while and 937 00:45:49,930 --> 00:45:52,930 then I kind of flipped that because the ADP insisted that I 938 00:45:52,930 --> 00:45:57,250 do so and I was making a point to try to stack Flowers and 939 00:45:57,250 --> 00:46:00,450 Bateman with Lamar. That's kind of how I talk myself 940 00:46:00,450 --> 00:46:02,410 into flowers cuz I feel honest to God. 941 00:46:02,410 --> 00:46:05,130 Like, I think if you just take a guy 12 times, like you'll start 942 00:46:05,130 --> 00:46:06,890 taking him on his own like he did. 943 00:46:06,930 --> 00:46:10,310 Or maybe the number's even lower might be like 7, but like once 944 00:46:10,310 --> 00:46:11,750 you take a guy a certain amount of times, you're. 945 00:46:11,950 --> 00:46:14,750 Like it's 12 for bad cuz he's doing 7 million drafts. 946 00:46:14,750 --> 00:46:17,550 Yeah, it might be 12 for me, it might be 3 for a normal person. 947 00:46:17,710 --> 00:46:20,590 But there is seriously, there's something of like just click the 948 00:46:20,590 --> 00:46:22,590 guy's name. If you think you do it, just do 949 00:46:22,590 --> 00:46:23,990 it. Do it a few times and then 950 00:46:23,990 --> 00:46:26,260 you're like this. This is a good pick now cuz I've 951 00:46:26,260 --> 00:46:28,300 done it so it's like. Smoking. 952 00:46:28,300 --> 00:46:29,820 It's. Like smoking one cigarette, you 953 00:46:29,820 --> 00:46:34,260 know it is so like I got a taste for ze flowers that I dropped. 954 00:46:34,780 --> 00:46:36,860 This is a good pick now because I've done it. 955 00:46:37,100 --> 00:46:38,860 I've done it. That's seriously how your brain 956 00:46:38,860 --> 00:46:39,580 works. It is. 957 00:46:39,660 --> 00:46:42,780 That's like a really, like, fascinating, like insight into, 958 00:46:42,780 --> 00:46:44,940 like human psychology. Yeah, for sure. 959 00:46:44,980 --> 00:46:47,900 I'm now pretty much even with the feel I can think of blares 960 00:46:47,900 --> 00:46:49,980 that this is true on. Like, I wasn't taking, you guys 961 00:46:49,980 --> 00:46:52,020 were talking about it recently on the show, but I wasn't taking 962 00:46:52,020 --> 00:46:54,500 a lot of Ridley and I started taking some Ridley and now I'm. 963 00:46:54,740 --> 00:46:56,260 Yeah, I'll considerately the third round. 964 00:46:56,380 --> 00:46:58,700 I'm OK, yeah, because he's a good pick because you've taken 965 00:46:58,700 --> 00:47:00,820 him before. Yeah, like that. 966 00:47:00,940 --> 00:47:06,180 I mean, yeah, I've got it. I I was sorry Kerrain on on 967 00:47:06,180 --> 00:47:08,940 liking the Bateman discount When I did my projections for the 968 00:47:08,980 --> 00:47:12,860 Ravens, I felt, well, first of all, Bateman only 120 routes 969 00:47:12,860 --> 00:47:14,420 last year but took a step forward with the like. 970 00:47:14,420 --> 00:47:15,700 Yards. Power on targets, Power run. 971 00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,360 But his a dot be playing football. 972 00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:20,400 Sorry. Correct, right. 973 00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:24,800 No, fair he didn't. But his seven routes, yeah, his 974 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:29,280 A dot also rose substantially. From year one it was 9.6, which 975 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,840 is below averaging year one it was 13.2 in year 2. 976 00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,520 Again, only 120 routes, but I I'd have this depth adjusted 977 00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,680 racer metric that I use for my efficiency stuff and my 978 00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,650 projections racer being. The air conversion ratio you're 979 00:47:40,650 --> 00:47:42,770 taking air yards and turning into receiving yards instead of 980 00:47:42,770 --> 00:47:45,050 like yards per target. It's you know yards per air yard 981 00:47:45,050 --> 00:47:48,290 basically and Bateman but I depth adjusted because it's 982 00:47:48,290 --> 00:47:51,090 different at different a dots. Bateman was efficient at the 983 00:47:51,090 --> 00:47:54,250 lower A dot as a rookie in terms of his after the target 984 00:47:54,250 --> 00:47:57,010 efficiency to turn a ton targets targets per out run wasn't great 985 00:47:57,010 --> 00:47:59,810 as a rookie but his yards per target which wasn't great was 986 00:47:59,810 --> 00:48:01,930 better when you put it in the context of the lower a dot is 987 00:48:01,930 --> 00:48:03,970 what I'm trying to say. And then it was also good in 988 00:48:03,970 --> 00:48:07,010 year two at a higher A dot, so he was efficient after earning 989 00:48:07,010 --> 00:48:09,550 targets. At a lower a dot role and in a 990 00:48:09,550 --> 00:48:11,750 higher a dot role. I like seeing that in receivers 991 00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:13,950 over multiple years where this guy can probably win at multiple 992 00:48:13,950 --> 00:48:16,910 layers and multiple depths. We know he was a really good and 993 00:48:16,910 --> 00:48:19,750 really productive college player and had a really good, you know, 994 00:48:19,870 --> 00:48:21,670 prospect profile. In that regard. 995 00:48:21,990 --> 00:48:23,550 I think he's a good football player. 996 00:48:23,550 --> 00:48:27,150 And so yeah, there's concerns right now in camp and in the big 997 00:48:27,150 --> 00:48:28,990 picture, he's not healthy and all those things. 998 00:48:30,350 --> 00:48:32,470 Sorry, in like the smaller picture, but in the big picture, 999 00:48:32,470 --> 00:48:34,710 I think he's good and I want it. I want to still be on him, like 1000 00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:38,770 Pat was saying, but I think. From the flower side of it, I 1001 00:48:38,770 --> 00:48:41,890 was thinking of him as another one of these rookie guys. 1002 00:48:41,890 --> 00:48:46,130 It's probably no pun intended. Gonna bloom in the at the end of 1003 00:48:46,130 --> 00:48:47,530 the. Season a little bit more. 1004 00:48:47,730 --> 00:48:50,290 I kinda, you know, I kinda decided halfway through than it 1005 00:48:50,290 --> 00:48:54,970 was intended. But, but with Bateman being out 1006 00:48:54,970 --> 00:48:57,650 and Flowers getting first teamwork in August, that's great 1007 00:48:57,650 --> 00:49:00,690 for him to potentially speed up that timeline in season. 1008 00:49:00,690 --> 00:49:02,730 Because I thought, you know early early year you're going to 1009 00:49:02,730 --> 00:49:05,850 have Odell and and and Bateman and Andrews as the main guys. 1010 00:49:06,090 --> 00:49:09,930 Flowers maybe just places Odell if he's not doing great or you 1011 00:49:09,930 --> 00:49:13,210 know if Bateman's not healthy or whatever happens, Flowers works 1012 00:49:13,210 --> 00:49:15,690 his way in and he's a guy that's you know in October, November 1013 00:49:15,690 --> 00:49:18,530 riser. But I mean, Flowers might now be 1014 00:49:18,530 --> 00:49:22,210 a lot more involved earlier and and having good camp. 1015 00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:26,160 With the first team helps that in season progression, right? 1016 00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:27,920 So I think these are all positive things for Flowers. 1017 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,760 I took Odell Beckham over Bateman in a draft playing the 1018 00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:35,600 ADP game and. We're sold with the Yeah, no, 1019 00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,080 seriously, like, that's that is where I'm headed. 1020 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,880 I took flowers, I took Odell and I was like, and I'm gonna get 1021 00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:42,200 Bateman. And like Bateman went, I'm like, 1022 00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,600 immediately after took Odell. And I haven't stopped thinking 1023 00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,920 about it since. I really like the team and it's 1024 00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,240 like a great deal. Night sweats. 1025 00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:53,440 Last night he was like, God, I'm so mad at myself. 1026 00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,640 We're not taking Bateman like he's such a better pick. 1027 00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,120 The other thing I'll note like, OK, like, Oh no, he's falling 1028 00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,720 down the depth chart or whatever maybe. 1029 00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,240 But like, Flowers is a rookie, so we would expect that his 1030 00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:09,200 playing time will not be like locked in, you know, 95% route, 1031 00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:10,440 right? Even if he is kind of the 1032 00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,040 starter ahead of Bateman to begin the year. 1033 00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,480 You also have Odell coming off this injuries and older guy like 1034 00:50:15,970 --> 00:50:17,850 it's kind of same deal. Like I think there's me plenty 1035 00:50:17,850 --> 00:50:21,050 of routes for a #3 receiver. But they also are talking about 1036 00:50:21,050 --> 00:50:24,250 spreading out the the defense is a lot more this year using more 1037 00:50:24,250 --> 00:50:27,930 11 using less 12. Devin Duvernay was on the 1038 00:50:27,930 --> 00:50:32,970 athletics Ballers list for for a recent article by by Jeff 1039 00:50:32,970 --> 00:50:37,090 Suribeck. We we heard some Nelson Agilor 1040 00:50:37,090 --> 00:50:39,250 hype early, but that's sort of faded away. 1041 00:50:40,130 --> 00:50:44,550 I mean I just think like he's it would be better if he was locked 1042 00:50:44,550 --> 00:50:47,190 into two wide receiver sets, but that's less important on the 1043 00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:49,030 Ravens than it used to be. Potentially a lot less 1044 00:50:49,030 --> 00:50:51,910 important. And there's no one is going to 1045 00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:55,630 challenge this guy for the wide receiver three job at the very 1046 00:50:55,630 --> 00:50:58,630 least. And yeah, he's he's impressed so 1047 00:50:59,310 --> 00:51:01,030 far in his NFL career to an extent. 1048 00:51:01,030 --> 00:51:03,230 When he's out there, obviously the health has been an issue but 1049 00:51:03,230 --> 00:51:04,950 he's also very strong prospect as well. 1050 00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:07,750 So you're getting a bet on talent play at a pretty cheap 1051 00:51:07,750 --> 00:51:09,710 price in an offense we think could be pretty explosive. 1052 00:51:10,390 --> 00:51:12,620 Yeah. Last thing I'll add on, on 1053 00:51:12,620 --> 00:51:13,940 Bateman. Well actually two points, 1A 1054 00:51:13,940 --> 00:51:17,500 Bateman, one on Odell, the offense, you know offense. 1055 00:51:17,500 --> 00:51:20,860 Last year once Bateman got injured, completely collapsed in 1056 00:51:20,860 --> 00:51:23,260 Baltimore like he was so key to what they were doing. 1057 00:51:23,260 --> 00:51:26,180 Early in the season, Lamar was putting up massive weeks. 1058 00:51:26,780 --> 00:51:28,700 He looked like a league winner. For the first five weeks, 1059 00:51:29,020 --> 00:51:31,060 Bateman gets injured and then the offense completely 1060 00:51:31,060 --> 00:51:32,540 collapses. I know there were other injuries 1061 00:51:32,540 --> 00:51:35,500 like that wasn't the sole reason, but I do think he is 1062 00:51:35,500 --> 00:51:37,900 huge to what this team wants to do and a really good talent. 1063 00:51:37,900 --> 00:51:40,060 So I I have been buying the Bateman. 1064 00:51:40,370 --> 00:51:43,930 Dip I'm gonna really be kind of overexposed to him because I had 1065 00:51:43,930 --> 00:51:47,530 a ton early. The next thing on Odell, I am. 1066 00:51:48,170 --> 00:51:51,010 I'm drafting Odell and I'm kind of tired of people like saying 1067 00:51:51,090 --> 00:51:54,170 he's the worst wide receiver. Click on the board, like guys 1068 00:51:54,170 --> 00:51:57,210 he's going behind like Tyler Boyd and Jameson Williams and 1069 00:51:57,210 --> 00:52:00,210 Michael Thomas. Like just ahead of Juju and Nico 1070 00:52:00,210 --> 00:52:02,570 Collins. Like last time we saw him, he 1071 00:52:02,570 --> 00:52:05,450 was still really good. I think Baltimore, that's true 1072 00:52:06,030 --> 00:52:07,550 under on DraftKings he goes earlier. 1073 00:52:07,550 --> 00:52:10,070 So OK, if you are under, I'd say underdogs better. 1074 00:52:10,630 --> 00:52:13,390 I will say some underdog influencers who I won't name 1075 00:52:13,390 --> 00:52:17,550 have hammered Odell is like the worst pick on the board and I 1076 00:52:17,550 --> 00:52:19,710 don't know, man like he was really good last time we saw 1077 00:52:19,710 --> 00:52:21,470 him. He's like 2 years removed from 1078 00:52:21,470 --> 00:52:24,030 the injury. If Bateman just isn't ready, 1079 00:52:24,030 --> 00:52:27,350 like I don't think they paid Odell $15 million to not give 1080 00:52:27,350 --> 00:52:29,470 him a chance to be the starting wide receiver on this team. 1081 00:52:29,470 --> 00:52:31,110 Maybe he doesn't have it anymore, but like. 1082 00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,240 It's not like he's that priced up in this like you know, 1083 00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,920 egregious range for wider series, wide receiver, 52 going 1084 00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,680 off the board like I I think it's fully justified at that 1085 00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:41,560 cost. Pat, this is a really good 1086 00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,520 example of your take on the psychology of once you've 1087 00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,560 drafted a guy a bunch, you can talk yourself into him. 1088 00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:48,800 I mean, he said he's taking a lot of Odell and he just said, 1089 00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,280 yeah, now he's into Oh yeah, this is exactly. 1090 00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,720 The point this is exactly. It I tried Odell once and I just 1091 00:52:54,720 --> 00:53:00,600 I got up. Anyways, let's let's talk 1092 00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,640 quickly some followers. I think the Cup discussion can 1093 00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:08,960 be maybe shorter than I was expecting cuz there has been 1094 00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,760 news now that Cup is just day-to-day with this hamstring. 1095 00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,640 He hasn't really fallen a ton in ADP, he's basically just fallen 1096 00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,480 past Tyree Kill. Are you taking Kelsey over and 1097 00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:19,200 miss the question? Cuz I think that the smart move 1098 00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:23,460 right, is to take you take Hill, you take McCaffrey, but then do 1099 00:53:23,460 --> 00:53:25,460 you take Kelsey? And for me it's a no. 1100 00:53:25,500 --> 00:53:27,500 I'm still. I just took Cup Overhill and 1101 00:53:27,500 --> 00:53:29,620 McCaffrey and a mastiff yesterday and I'm still 1102 00:53:29,940 --> 00:53:32,820 completely in uncut. I wouldn't do that personally, 1103 00:53:32,820 --> 00:53:35,500 but I don't think it's like egregious and I'm not taking 1104 00:53:35,500 --> 00:53:40,220 Kelsey over him, so I wouldn't take him at everything like in 1105 00:53:40,220 --> 00:53:44,020 all my best ball Bbm's. That I got threes and fours. 1106 00:53:44,020 --> 00:53:45,820 I took Hill and McCaffrey and spread it out. 1107 00:53:45,820 --> 00:53:48,740 But when I had to make a decision in a mastiff, I took 1108 00:53:48,740 --> 00:53:52,830 cup, I'm just about to say. Upside, I mean I get it for the 1109 00:53:52,830 --> 00:53:55,790 upside for sure the. Only thing I'll say with cup is 1110 00:53:55,950 --> 00:54:02,030 so we had the day-to-day blurb which I wrote and he called him 1111 00:54:02,030 --> 00:54:05,150 day-to-day. Then he basically still said he 1112 00:54:05,150 --> 00:54:09,310 was week to week what he said he was day-to-day. 1113 00:54:09,310 --> 00:54:11,870 But then like I think that one of the tenor is a common, you 1114 00:54:12,190 --> 00:54:14,750 say day to days. We hope he's back next week or 1115 00:54:14,750 --> 00:54:15,990 something. I was like, well, you're still 1116 00:54:15,990 --> 00:54:20,230 talking in terms of and not days, but. 1117 00:54:20,670 --> 00:54:23,190 It's not a major injury like clearly he's going to be ready 1118 00:54:23,190 --> 00:54:26,230 for Week 1 and clearly it doesn't matter he's already got 1119 00:54:26,230 --> 00:54:28,390 he doesn't need to establish chemistry with anyone or 1120 00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:31,030 anything like that. But I I just do wonder, I mean 1121 00:54:31,030 --> 00:54:35,350 it's not his first injury he's he's had several major injuries 1122 00:54:35,350 --> 00:54:39,030 he's going to be 30 this season. I thought of a really horrible 1123 00:54:39,030 --> 00:54:41,750 Galaxy brain take by the way, this one I do not believe in, 1124 00:54:42,150 --> 00:54:44,190 but I was like, you know, we all talk about like the running back 1125 00:54:44,190 --> 00:54:46,790 usage, you know, when you have like this historic usage 1126 00:54:46,790 --> 00:54:49,570 seasons. He's fall you start immediately 1127 00:54:49,570 --> 00:54:51,850 falling out. Michael Thomas barely ever 1128 00:54:51,850 --> 00:54:54,890 played since the Target Cliff, Yeah. 1129 00:54:54,890 --> 00:54:57,490 The target Cliff. The target, Cliff Cooper Cup, 1130 00:54:57,490 --> 00:54:59,300 barely played. Since the. 1131 00:54:59,420 --> 00:55:01,180 Well, now we got to rename the episode the target. 1132 00:55:01,540 --> 00:55:02,700 List, Yeah, look at. No, he played. 1133 00:55:03,740 --> 00:55:07,940 He played nine games last year and had like, what was leading 1134 00:55:07,940 --> 00:55:10,380 the NFL in targets. He was right on his his 1135 00:55:10,420 --> 00:55:12,580 efficiency. Was cratering and then he got 1136 00:55:12,580 --> 00:55:13,740 hurt, is what I'm saying is what I'm saying. 1137 00:55:13,740 --> 00:55:16,540 No, I was not saying that's. But yeah, it's bad. 1138 00:55:17,700 --> 00:55:21,700 He was still good in efficiency. Is just not as otherworldly. 1139 00:55:22,020 --> 00:55:25,770 He was pacing for 1:40. He was pacing for 140 plus 1140 00:55:25,770 --> 00:55:38,890 catches last year. I don't believe this take. 1141 00:55:26,970 --> 00:55:30,730 He's played thirty games in Matthew Stafford and his his 30 1142 00:55:30,730 --> 00:55:35,050 game pace is over 150 catches on a 17 game basis with Matthew 1143 00:55:35,050 --> 00:55:37,490 Stafford, including the playoffs and everything else to be. 1144 00:55:41,450 --> 00:55:44,010 I was like, man, Yeah, Michael, Tom and Cooper Cup. 1145 00:55:44,010 --> 00:55:46,290 Not really like him playing football too. 1146 00:55:48,490 --> 00:55:50,530 Many catches. Too many catches. 1147 00:55:51,010 --> 00:55:52,290 The Cliff. It's it's here. 1148 00:55:53,050 --> 00:55:54,730 Sorry. No, you're good. 1149 00:55:55,130 --> 00:55:57,290 But I just on that note, I just wrote about this for steel 1150 00:55:57,610 --> 00:56:00,530 stealing signals the other day. He he in his thirty games of 1151 00:56:00,530 --> 00:56:03,210 Stafford has pace for over 150 catchers on A17K basis. 1152 00:56:03,370 --> 00:56:05,890 Justin Jefferson led the league last year with 128. 1153 00:56:06,130 --> 00:56:09,970 Terry Kill was second with 119 and this couple was on that pace 1154 00:56:09,970 --> 00:56:13,010 last year as well. Like if I'm concerned about the 1155 00:56:13,010 --> 00:56:17,010 injury when I'm saying I took him in that mast, If I'm not not 1156 00:56:17,010 --> 00:56:19,010 concerned about the injury, I'm very much concerned about the 1157 00:56:19,010 --> 00:56:21,820 injury. But I do think if Cooper Cup is 1158 00:56:21,820 --> 00:56:26,340 healthy, his range of outcomes is higher than I think it's in 1159 00:56:26,420 --> 00:56:28,580 the tier with Jefferson and Chase. 1160 00:56:29,020 --> 00:56:31,740 Getting Gretch, Yeah, sorry, I said. 1161 00:56:31,860 --> 00:56:33,700 I'm not. It's not like I'm not concerned 1162 00:56:33,700 --> 00:56:36,260 about him being out there week one, but I'm just concerned 1163 00:56:36,260 --> 00:56:39,700 about the injury and that it's becoming the latest in a line of 1164 00:56:39,700 --> 00:56:41,260 injuries. Maybe not a long line of 1165 00:56:41,260 --> 00:56:45,180 injuries, but he's the guy who's 30, you know, he's got injuries 1166 00:56:45,180 --> 00:56:47,100 on his resume now. Yeah, for sure. 1167 00:56:47,620 --> 00:56:49,580 It's also like when you're. Trying to like. 1168 00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,920 Christian McCaffrey and Tyree Kill like I think those guys 1169 00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,880 stealing cases are also insane. So that's just where I'm like I 1170 00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,200 kind of want to follow the market here and if the market is 1171 00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:01,120 dropping him, I want pretty equal exposure to those guys. 1172 00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:04,800 I do see the argument for cop like maybe having a higher 1173 00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:08,280 ultimate ceiling than those two. But man Christian McCaffrey can 1174 00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,840 you know go for a thousand 1000 again this year like that that's 1175 00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,040 in the range outcomes. Tyree Kill could definitely lose 1176 00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,640 to the targets. I don't think it is for 1177 00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:18,280 McCaffrey this year. I'll say that pretty 1178 00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,600 definitively because the way that they use Mitchell and the 1179 00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:22,800 other options they have in the passing game, I don't think 1000 1180 00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:24,160 and 1000 is anywhere near his range. 1181 00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:24,880 You. Want to talk about? 1182 00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:26,360 I think he's gonna have a great year. 1183 00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,240 Gretch, just say you don't want to talk about a guy who doesn't 1184 00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,000 play football. Eli Mitchell, Christian 1185 00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:31,320 McCaffrey? Well, that too. 1186 00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:33,920 Yeah. Oh, Elijah Mitchell. 1187 00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,760 Sorry, it's funny eventually because 49ers just on The 1188 00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,320 Athletic, they just put on an article that was like Ken 1189 00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:41,840 McCaffrey gets with a thousand 1000. 1190 00:57:43,630 --> 00:57:45,710 But I tend to, I I tend to agree that like, I'm a little bit 1191 00:57:45,710 --> 00:57:49,150 less, I'm a little bit more nervous about Mccaffrey's like, 1192 00:57:49,150 --> 00:57:50,910 workload because they're going to be a good team and they're 1193 00:57:50,910 --> 00:57:53,990 just not going to like they've so much more to play for. 1194 00:57:54,270 --> 00:57:57,390 Then I think, Pat, was it you that were saying like Mike Evans 1195 00:57:57,390 --> 00:58:01,350 was just going to be like the whole point of a Buccaneer 1196 00:58:01,350 --> 00:58:03,190 season is to get Mike Evans to 1000 yards? 1197 00:58:03,190 --> 00:58:04,590 Like, I'm hell of a lot of saying that. 1198 00:58:04,590 --> 00:58:07,190 But yeah, yeah, that's literally the entire point of the That is 1199 00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:09,670 not the way the 49ers are going to be playing this season. 1200 00:58:09,670 --> 00:58:11,070 Like they they're going to be resting. 1201 00:58:11,070 --> 00:58:13,370 McCaffrey. If anything, before this 1202 00:58:13,370 --> 00:58:16,970 hamstring thing, I was taking cup heavily, like essentially 1203 00:58:17,250 --> 00:58:21,130 every time out of the 103 or the 104 I was taking cup and then he 1204 00:58:21,130 --> 00:58:22,930 was often there. Not often, but sometimes there 1205 00:58:22,930 --> 00:58:26,810 at the 1:05 I was intentionally without sacrificing Justin 1206 00:58:26,810 --> 00:58:30,450 Jefferson or Jamar Chase shares trying to get overweight on cup. 1207 00:58:30,570 --> 00:58:33,730 This was also during the Tyree kid who got on a boat period. 1208 00:58:33,730 --> 00:58:36,770 So I figured especially confident in that, but now 1209 00:58:37,290 --> 00:58:39,770 right. So my take is in the context of 1210 00:58:39,770 --> 00:58:43,050 that, that being My Portfolio. Now I'm happy to take cup 1211 00:58:43,050 --> 00:58:45,410 whenever he's at 5:00, but I'm kind of reversing it with the 1212 00:58:45,490 --> 00:58:47,130 now that the market's flipped, I'm like, sure. 1213 00:58:47,130 --> 00:58:50,450 And now I'll at 3:00, I'll take Hill or and I take McCaffrey 4 1214 00:58:50,450 --> 00:58:54,730 usually and then cup at five, yeah. 1215 00:58:54,850 --> 00:58:58,170 I mean also McCaffrey is he had 1900 yards from scrimmage last 1216 00:58:58,170 --> 00:59:01,010 year, cups best season ever. He had like 19140. 1217 00:59:01,010 --> 00:59:03,930 So, and that was also a season he got traded in the middle of 1218 00:59:03,930 --> 00:59:06,650 the season and like the first game with the 49ers, like barely 1219 00:59:06,650 --> 00:59:09,530 played at all and still got to like 1900 total yards. 1220 00:59:09,530 --> 00:59:10,610 So. I don't know. 1221 00:59:10,730 --> 00:59:12,410 I like. CMC not playing. 1222 00:59:12,650 --> 00:59:14,930 Gretchen and I were joking about he played last year. 1223 00:59:15,250 --> 00:59:17,410 He came very close, like several times. 1224 00:59:17,450 --> 00:59:20,770 Like he he, he was like on the highway with the tire was still 1225 00:59:20,770 --> 00:59:24,090 going, but it was like about to come off, like if the game 1226 00:59:24,090 --> 00:59:26,770 didn't end soon, yeah. He played hurting the end of the 1227 00:59:26,770 --> 00:59:28,650 year. He just I am taking some CMC. 1228 00:59:28,810 --> 00:59:31,010 Plus. Too the target. 1229 00:59:31,010 --> 00:59:33,450 He was reaching the target. Yeah, he got the target. 1230 00:59:33,850 --> 00:59:34,770 It's a yeah. It's a thing. 1231 00:59:34,810 --> 00:59:37,290 It's officially a thing. It's a thing, OK, That's. 1232 00:59:37,890 --> 00:59:40,450 Let's move on to Dobbins. This this one's kind of weird, 1233 00:59:40,450 --> 00:59:45,690 so let's break it down. He's down 7 spots in ADP, the 1234 00:59:45,690 --> 00:59:47,810 third biggest faller on this list. 1235 00:59:48,450 --> 00:59:51,610 He's maybe injured, he's maybe holding in, but at the same 1236 00:59:51,610 --> 00:59:54,890 time, there's always quotes that he's he's he's hugging the owner 1237 00:59:54,890 --> 00:59:56,810 whenever he sees him on the field, he's hugging the general 1238 00:59:56,810 --> 00:59:58,050 manager. There's all these quotes about 1239 00:59:58,050 --> 00:59:59,610 him, like he's talking about everybody. 1240 01:00:00,050 --> 01:00:02,690 Yeah. So it's like a very pleasant 1241 01:00:03,050 --> 01:00:05,730 hold in. I I don't think he's actually 1242 01:00:05,730 --> 01:00:07,410 injured. I did pull up this. 1243 01:00:08,060 --> 01:00:11,660 Twitter screenshot You can check out Aaron Wilson under Score 1244 01:00:11,660 --> 01:00:12,540 NFL. I think he's. 1245 01:00:12,660 --> 01:00:14,500 Is he doing a one arm push up right there? 1246 01:00:14,580 --> 01:00:17,420 Look at him, he looks yes. There's also a clip. 1247 01:00:17,860 --> 01:00:20,140 I would pull it up on video but there's a clip of him like 1248 01:00:20,580 --> 01:00:25,180 dragging this like weighted sled and then like sprinting with it 1249 01:00:25,300 --> 01:00:28,940 attached to him like he he does not look like injured in these 1250 01:00:28,940 --> 01:00:30,380 workout. Clips from July. 1251 01:00:30,500 --> 01:00:34,320 So his life, I mean. Yeah got warriors. 1252 01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:38,280 I got him in the seventh round of a mastiff the other day like 1253 01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,280 and I I did think about it because I'm like this is a 1254 01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:44,040 tournament that you know is is it like it's like a 5050 the way 1255 01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:45,640 they structured it. So you don't you don't want to 1256 01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:49,480 take on a ton of risk but I'm like it's the seventh round like 1257 01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:54,720 this dude could be awesome. I I don't know I I think and you 1258 01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:59,080 can regularly get him in the seventh round on DraftKings so 1259 01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:02,920 and you can like we we we did a draft best ball mania draft. 1260 01:01:03,430 --> 01:01:05,870 We almost got him in the seventh round of that draft when when I 1261 01:01:05,870 --> 01:01:07,070 was on the Rotor World Football Show. 1262 01:01:07,070 --> 01:01:11,350 So I mean I am I was a little bit underweight because in the 1263 01:01:11,350 --> 01:01:14,190 fifth round, the five sixth turn, I kind of want to be 1264 01:01:14,190 --> 01:01:15,790 grabbing receivers there a decent amount. 1265 01:01:16,310 --> 01:01:20,590 I have been aggressively drafting Dobbins recently to try 1266 01:01:20,590 --> 01:01:22,110 to get overweight during this period. 1267 01:01:22,550 --> 01:01:24,710 I think it's going to be, I honestly think it's going to be 1268 01:01:24,710 --> 01:01:28,590 one of the big reasons to have drafted and it's like late July, 1269 01:01:28,590 --> 01:01:31,510 early August period, the Dobbins who does not really appear to be 1270 01:01:31,510 --> 01:01:34,090 injured. And it's clearly contract 1271 01:01:34,090 --> 01:01:36,810 related, clearly. And the Ravens are like being 1272 01:01:36,810 --> 01:01:42,010 totally like this is the most congenial Holden I've ever seen. 1273 01:01:42,090 --> 01:01:45,010 Like everyone's going like dinner parties and hanging out. 1274 01:01:45,010 --> 01:01:47,730 I wonder if the Ravens, like, don't even care that he's not. 1275 01:01:47,730 --> 01:01:50,090 Like, maybe they don't even want a guy with his injury history to 1276 01:01:50,090 --> 01:01:52,210 be practicing right now. You know, like that kind of 1277 01:01:52,210 --> 01:01:54,400 thing. And it seems like everyone 1278 01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,840 involved like the back slapping, like they know, like some 1279 01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:58,800 incentives, they're just gonna be added to his deal or 1280 01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,560 something and for some reason they can't sign on the dotted 1281 01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:03,080 line yet. But. 1282 01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:06,000 Doesn't seem like a lot to be genuinely concerned about. 1283 01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:08,200 It could. I mean, I do think what what you 1284 01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:10,040 just sort of hit on is probably part of it. 1285 01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:12,760 I do think some of these teams are like, look, we don't need 1286 01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:18,520 running backs to practice in at August 7th, like later in Adrian 1287 01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:20,160 Peterson's career. He would not play. 1288 01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:21,880 He was like one of the first backs that would not play in the 1289 01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:24,280 preseason and they would give him a really light load and then 1290 01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:26,760 say, hey, week one, you show up and be ready. 1291 01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:28,680 You're Adrian Peterson. You can get your body ready. 1292 01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:30,160 We're not gonna give you any more hits. 1293 01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:33,400 Your whole job is to try to hold up to a massive amount of hits 1294 01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:34,480 over the course of the regular season. 1295 01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:36,080 We're not gonna give you any more in camp. 1296 01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:38,000 We don't want to. And Dobbins, with the injury 1297 01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,120 history like it seems like that's what they're saying, like 1298 01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:42,800 Ravens are very in on analytics and everything. 1299 01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,800 Organizationally, I would expect someone smart in their building 1300 01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:48,920 is like, let's not have JK Dobbins do a lot in August. 1301 01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:53,270 Like why would we? Yeah, the also for his ACL in 1302 01:02:53,390 --> 01:02:55,190 sorry, sorry Pat. He did tear his ACL in the 1303 01:02:55,190 --> 01:02:57,310 preseason when he got injured in 2021, right? 1304 01:02:57,310 --> 01:02:59,310 So I think that's part of it. Maybe for him too. 1305 01:02:59,310 --> 01:03:01,990 He's like, hey, if I'm not getting a contract, like, I'm 1306 01:03:01,990 --> 01:03:03,790 just not gonna play in the preseason, maybe the team's just 1307 01:03:03,790 --> 01:03:05,870 like, that's reasonable, like you do you, man? 1308 01:03:06,190 --> 01:03:08,710 Yeah, yeah, they their carball's a little annoyed. 1309 01:03:08,710 --> 01:03:11,270 So some of his quotes are like, yeah, I mean it's like 1310 01:03:11,870 --> 01:03:15,070 definitely be better if he was out there, but like, I I don't 1311 01:03:15,070 --> 01:03:17,150 know. I mean the the Consingulare is 1312 01:03:17,150 --> 01:03:22,820 calling it a hug in that was pretty good. 1313 01:03:22,820 --> 01:03:25,660 The hug in That's beautiful. Players are always innovating. 1314 01:03:26,260 --> 01:03:30,900 Yeah, I will say it is like I do get the thing about him, like 1315 01:03:30,900 --> 01:03:32,220 not playing. Doesn't matter if running backs 1316 01:03:32,220 --> 01:03:33,940 aren't playing. Like maybe it's not as important 1317 01:03:33,940 --> 01:03:35,700 as wide receivers getting reps in with Lamar. 1318 01:03:35,700 --> 01:03:39,260 But it is a completely new offense that in in theory is 1319 01:03:39,260 --> 01:03:42,660 gonna use running backs way differently than it has in the 1320 01:03:42,660 --> 01:03:45,980 past in Baltimore. I don't know how much weight to 1321 01:03:45,980 --> 01:03:49,060 put on that, but like if he's not, if this is like one of 1322 01:03:49,060 --> 01:03:52,340 those holdings where he's like not out there until, I don't 1323 01:03:52,340 --> 01:03:56,700 know, August 31st or whatever, like that would concern me like 1324 01:03:56,700 --> 01:03:59,020 a little bit. A little bit, yeah, at his 1325 01:03:59,020 --> 01:04:01,380 price. Like there is out of risk for 1326 01:04:01,460 --> 01:04:03,860 sure, yeah. The market is paying you to not 1327 01:04:03,860 --> 01:04:05,340 worry about it though. Like a lot. 1328 01:04:05,420 --> 01:04:06,580 They're paying you like 2 rounds. 1329 01:04:06,620 --> 01:04:09,580 If this dude was going in the mid 5th on DraftKings and now 1330 01:04:09,580 --> 01:04:13,160 he's in the mid 7th. And he's clear most talented 1331 01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:14,080 running back. That's something. 1332 01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:16,800 I mean, like he's a lot younger than Gus Edwards. 1333 01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:19,120 One of the things that the Pat and I talked about on the ship 1334 01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:21,320 chasing recently. But I'm way more concerned about 1335 01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:23,600 Gus Edwards coming back and getting back to form. 1336 01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,400 Dobbins is 24. Edwards is 28 like. 1337 01:04:26,870 --> 01:04:29,070 Dobbins is there Mo and and Dobbins was a lot better the 1338 01:04:29,070 --> 01:04:31,710 last couple years, 6.05.7 yards per carry. 1339 01:04:31,710 --> 01:04:34,630 Edwards was 5.0 last year in his, you know, small sample, 1340 01:04:34,830 --> 01:04:37,310 which is good, but those are different scales, right? 1341 01:04:37,310 --> 01:04:39,110 And Lamar obviously influences those things. 1342 01:04:39,110 --> 01:04:41,630 Dobbins has 6.0 yards per carry potential. 1343 01:04:41,630 --> 01:04:43,550 Like he's their most talented back. 1344 01:04:43,550 --> 01:04:45,870 He's really, really good at football for sure. 1345 01:04:47,150 --> 01:04:50,550 I will say strategy tip, if you wanna draft any of these players 1346 01:04:50,550 --> 01:04:52,750 that are injured go to DraftKings. 1347 01:04:52,750 --> 01:04:55,910 So they put that little red out symbol next to their names and 1348 01:04:55,910 --> 01:04:58,710 that causes the market to be like crazy reactive to these 1349 01:04:58,710 --> 01:05:00,990 injuries. Like Garrett Wilson I think is 1350 01:05:00,990 --> 01:05:03,390 listed as like questionable in DraftKings now because he has a 1351 01:05:03,790 --> 01:05:06,790 you know mild low ankle strain and now he drops to like the end 1352 01:05:06,790 --> 01:05:09,030 of the second round. So the the DraftKings like 1353 01:05:09,030 --> 01:05:12,710 reaction to this the the red injured symbol is a pretty good 1354 01:05:12,710 --> 01:05:15,270 way to make a profit. Yeah, I think it's great. 1355 01:05:18,180 --> 01:05:20,500 Let's move on here to Elijah Mitchell. 1356 01:05:20,900 --> 01:05:23,060 We get last some more time. We can maybe hit on some of 1357 01:05:23,060 --> 01:05:25,580 these other followers as well, but he is kind of an interesting 1358 01:05:25,580 --> 01:05:27,700 one. There's a couple things going on 1359 01:05:27,700 --> 01:05:29,540 with him. He's down just a couple spots, 1360 01:05:29,540 --> 01:05:35,260 but one, he has this abdominal strain or a ductor strain that 1361 01:05:35,260 --> 01:05:38,980 should keep him out for a week. And then second, Pat. 1362 01:05:39,020 --> 01:05:42,540 I was listening to the Road World Show, where Rob Guerrera, 1363 01:05:42,540 --> 01:05:45,100 I believe he's a beat writer for the 49ers. 1364 01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:48,200 He talked about how Elijah Mitchell's roster spot is maybe 1365 01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:51,600 not as secure as people think. And that was even before the 1366 01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:53,680 injury, I think. I think that was before the 1367 01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:56,120 abdominal strain. So yeah, curious like what? 1368 01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:58,080 I was shocked when I was listening to podcast and heard 1369 01:05:58,080 --> 01:05:59,920 that. Yeah, I mean, I don't think, I 1370 01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:03,320 don't think that is the case, but I do think it could be the 1371 01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:07,480 case where he was saying something else basically that. 1372 01:06:08,030 --> 01:06:10,590 He's the kind of guy that might be dead, like Kyle Shanahan, 1373 01:06:10,590 --> 01:06:12,350 basically. So maybe, like maybe off the 1374 01:06:12,350 --> 01:06:16,550 roster and another like by another name, basically like 1375 01:06:16,550 --> 01:06:17,990 this. We cannot count on this guy 1376 01:06:17,990 --> 01:06:20,350 anymore. Like we got Jordan Mason, we got 1377 01:06:20,350 --> 01:06:23,030 TDP, I'm sure we got some other they get. 1378 01:06:23,230 --> 01:06:24,790 A little emotional to me. Doesn't he? 1379 01:06:24,790 --> 01:06:27,710 He's very, he's very emotional. He's. 1380 01:06:27,710 --> 01:06:30,430 Very, very, very emotional. Like, not a joke. 1381 01:06:30,430 --> 01:06:34,920 Like he trades up for people. Like he'll make like dramatic 1382 01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:38,400 trade ups and then like be off of them like three months later. 1383 01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:40,720 It happens like almost every year. 1384 01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:43,280 Like he'll trade up for a receiver and then be off of them 1385 01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:46,480 for like over a year. He isn't a very with that 1386 01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:48,440 emotional he. Was out on ayuke, ayuke had to 1387 01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:50,160 like. I know it was insane. 1388 01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:53,600 Ayuke. And like before there was Ayuke. 1389 01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:56,890 There was Dante Pettis. We traded like way the hell up 1390 01:06:56,890 --> 01:06:59,730 for and then was out on him like totally immediately. 1391 01:06:59,730 --> 01:07:01,250 I guess the league has shown that that. 1392 01:07:01,250 --> 01:07:05,210 Decision, Trey Servin, TDP like those are, I mean a lot of 1393 01:07:05,210 --> 01:07:07,130 capital on those backs and not using it, yeah. 1394 01:07:07,370 --> 01:07:09,930 Maybe what Rob was kind of getting at there is just that 1395 01:07:09,930 --> 01:07:13,050 the vibe is that Shanny is not in to Elijah, because I can't 1396 01:07:13,050 --> 01:07:16,250 see any way it doesn't. Make it Well is Jordan Mason the 1397 01:07:16,330 --> 01:07:17,810 the next man? But Jordan Mason's? 1398 01:07:17,890 --> 01:07:21,410 A good pipe on Jordan Mason. Yeah, they were pipe in Jordan 1399 01:07:21,410 --> 01:07:24,490 Mason. I think on that pod he he 1400 01:07:24,490 --> 01:07:25,770 mentioned Jordan Mason. But I've also. 1401 01:07:26,010 --> 01:07:29,290 Read stuff in The Athletic about Jordan Mason looking really 1402 01:07:29,290 --> 01:07:32,930 good. I also read today about Tyrion 1403 01:07:32,930 --> 01:07:34,810 Davis. Price apparently played last 1404 01:07:34,810 --> 01:07:41,570 season at 2:15 and shed a bunch of fat, but now weighs 228. 1405 01:07:42,810 --> 01:07:44,330 Yeah, I saw that too. I was like, did they make a 1406 01:07:44,370 --> 01:07:45,730 typo? Was it supposed to be the other 1407 01:07:45,770 --> 01:07:48,010 way around later? They're, they're in. 1408 01:07:48,210 --> 01:07:49,890 They're implying that he put on like. 1409 01:07:50,410 --> 01:07:51,650 Potentially 30 pounds of muscles. 1410 01:07:52,210 --> 01:07:55,090 Say 30 pounds of muscle. Because it's like. 1411 01:07:55,210 --> 01:07:58,650 He's cut 7 pounds of fat to get down to 208, but now he weighs 1412 01:07:58,650 --> 01:08:02,410 220. 8 This is literally that. Those gifts where there's like, 1413 01:08:02,410 --> 01:08:04,650 all the bad equations in the background, We're all trying to 1414 01:08:04,650 --> 01:08:06,570 figure out how much muscle he just put on. 1415 01:08:06,690 --> 01:08:09,450 Like what? The one, the one dude, I forget 1416 01:08:09,450 --> 01:08:10,890 who it was. So I think his skill position 1417 01:08:10,890 --> 01:08:14,650 coach for the 49ers was like, it's honestly like incredible 1418 01:08:14,650 --> 01:08:17,529 how much better he's gotten. So not that he's. 1419 01:08:18,540 --> 01:08:20,899 That bit, like, it's unlikely it's gonna make an impact this 1420 01:08:20,899 --> 01:08:22,859 year, but you don't wanna hear that if you've drafted a bunch 1421 01:08:22,859 --> 01:08:24,620 of Elijah Mitchell, which I have. 1422 01:08:24,939 --> 01:08:27,580 I've cooled off on Elijah Mitchell quite a bit. 1423 01:08:27,580 --> 01:08:30,740 Because with all these guys where it's like, hey, at least I 1424 01:08:30,740 --> 01:08:34,939 know he's the locked in #2. As soon as I hear like multiple 1425 01:08:34,939 --> 01:08:38,380 guys who might challenge him as the locked in #2, then I'm gonna 1426 01:08:38,380 --> 01:08:40,149 be. I'm gonna be. 1427 01:08:40,229 --> 01:08:42,910 And he's already hurt. It's just like, how is this guy 1428 01:08:42,910 --> 01:08:44,630 hurt again? Yeah, he's already hurt. 1429 01:08:44,630 --> 01:08:47,229 It's hard to play football. I mean, I'm not trying to like, 1430 01:08:47,750 --> 01:08:51,189 obviously, but like, how on planet earth is Elijah Mitchell 1431 01:08:51,189 --> 01:08:52,390 hurt again? Like it? 1432 01:08:52,430 --> 01:08:55,310 Makes absolutely no sense. That was, that was an amazing 1433 01:08:55,430 --> 01:08:58,350 plan for some reason that maybe you remember when you ran the 1434 01:08:58,470 --> 01:09:02,950 the 40 at the combine, which is the it's hard to play football. 1435 01:09:03,029 --> 01:09:04,670 Yeah, I didn't get hurt. I didn't get hurt. 1436 01:09:05,149 --> 01:09:07,390 I was wearing dress shoes too, so. 1437 01:09:08,890 --> 01:09:10,210 When you leaked at the end, you took. 1438 01:09:10,210 --> 01:09:12,810 A little I did. I wrecked the tackling dummies, 1439 01:09:12,810 --> 01:09:15,290 I will say. That was, yeah, that was 1440 01:09:15,290 --> 01:09:18,010 impressive, that. Was great. 1441 01:09:18,410 --> 01:09:19,970 So how far are you guys dropping Mitchell? 1442 01:09:19,970 --> 01:09:23,689 Cuz I think for me what feels right is he goes now ahead of 1443 01:09:23,689 --> 01:09:26,609 Tank Bigsby, Jalen Warren and Tyler Algier. 1444 01:09:26,609 --> 01:09:29,890 I think I would drop him below Algier but still ahead of 1445 01:09:29,890 --> 01:09:32,930 Kendra, ahead of Rochon. Those guys have tons of concerns 1446 01:09:32,970 --> 01:09:35,010 about their spot in the roster as well. 1447 01:09:35,010 --> 01:09:37,590 That's probably what I'd do. That's exactly where I have. 1448 01:09:37,590 --> 01:09:39,750 I just pulled up the rankings on legendary upside. 1449 01:09:39,750 --> 01:09:44,550 I dropped him behind Bigsby and Algier, but he's ahead of that 1450 01:09:44,550 --> 01:09:47,590 next group. But honestly, I I think I would 1451 01:09:47,590 --> 01:09:50,149 take your own Ford ahead of him. Like, I think I'm Jerome Ford 1452 01:09:50,149 --> 01:09:52,630 should be going way higher, I think, yeah, I think that's a 1453 01:09:52,630 --> 01:09:55,750 situation where there's no buzz or bringing in a veteran running 1454 01:09:55,750 --> 01:09:58,190 back. They sat him for the Hall of 1455 01:09:58,190 --> 01:10:01,030 Fame Game and played Felton and whatever the other guy is, a 1456 01:10:01,030 --> 01:10:04,080 bunch of snaps like. I think Ford is like so clearly 1457 01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:06,280 the number two and the market hasn't reacted quick enough. 1458 01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:07,960 I'm gonna move out there. Maybe I'll move forward up 1459 01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:09,000 instead. Of I still can't believe they 1460 01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:11,760 haven't signed anybody, but like you've said, it seems like they 1461 01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:15,680 genuinely like Jerry Ford and aren't gonna do that and that he 1462 01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:17,440 is locked in. Yeah, they seem pretty into it. 1463 01:10:17,440 --> 01:10:18,480 It's. I'm gonna drum beat. 1464 01:10:18,940 --> 01:10:21,180 That was a weird drum beat, too. That drum beat started in, like, 1465 01:10:21,180 --> 01:10:22,500 February. Like, OK, wow. 1466 01:10:22,900 --> 01:10:24,780 He's like a Matthew. Wasn't that like a Matthew 1467 01:10:24,780 --> 01:10:26,380 Berry? Like, he snuck a little line 1468 01:10:26,380 --> 01:10:28,580 into something. Yeah, article of That's just. 1469 01:10:28,620 --> 01:10:31,340 It was a combine rumor. But then when you go look at his 1470 01:10:31,420 --> 01:10:33,980 last year, because he played on special teams, he was actually 1471 01:10:34,020 --> 01:10:37,460 active for 13 games last year and was basically not used on 1472 01:10:37,460 --> 01:10:39,140 offense. So he's one of those guys that 1473 01:10:39,140 --> 01:10:41,340 you don't really have a good reason for why they didn't mix 1474 01:10:41,340 --> 01:10:44,920 him in because he was active. But I guess it just like. 1475 01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:46,800 Wasn't good. So that has been right. 1476 01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:49,360 Like for me, Jerome Ford, where if a coaching staff really loves 1477 01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:52,840 a player, they forced themselves onto the field like somehow and 1478 01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:53,760 he just. Yeah, yeah. 1479 01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:55,840 Although we just, I was just Damien Harris, right? 1480 01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:58,520 They completely red shirted him and then we got buzz that he was 1481 01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:01,250 gonna be. Involved is a second year player 1482 01:11:01,250 --> 01:11:03,370 and then he was. Yeah, I mean, if they think of 1483 01:11:03,370 --> 01:11:07,130 it like the Cream Hunt is like a very specific role, right? 1484 01:11:07,130 --> 01:11:08,610 Then I guess it makes some sense. 1485 01:11:08,610 --> 01:11:11,250 But yeah, 13 games last year he got eight offensive touches and 1486 01:11:11,410 --> 01:11:13,570 he was active for 13 games. That's weird, right? 1487 01:11:14,290 --> 01:11:16,650 That is very weird. I was so skeptical of him for a 1488 01:11:16,650 --> 01:11:18,810 while, Gretch, because that I'm just like, what is this Jerome 1489 01:11:18,810 --> 01:11:20,650 Ford thing? Like, they're gonna sign for 1490 01:11:20,650 --> 01:11:22,050 net, they're gonna sign Kenny and Drake. 1491 01:11:22,050 --> 01:11:23,290 They're gonna sign somebody, right? 1492 01:11:23,290 --> 01:11:26,130 Like, I'm not buying this guy that gave me carries to last 1493 01:11:26,130 --> 01:11:29,290 year for 12 yards and some like locked in RB 2, But now I think 1494 01:11:29,290 --> 01:11:31,450 I have to believe it, right? Like, I guess it's still 1495 01:11:31,450 --> 01:11:33,530 possible they could bring in for net. 1496 01:11:33,530 --> 01:11:34,850 Sure, it's theoretically possible. 1497 01:11:34,890 --> 01:11:36,770 There's been absolutely zero buzz. 1498 01:11:36,810 --> 01:11:38,930 I think they feel pretty confident about it. 1499 01:11:39,250 --> 01:11:41,210 Anything to your point was sort of the last draw. 1500 01:11:41,210 --> 01:11:43,210 I'm with you guys, I think. I think you gotta move him up at 1501 01:11:43,210 --> 01:11:44,370 this point. They didn't even use him in the 1502 01:11:44,370 --> 01:11:46,210 Hall of Fame game. Like they are locking him into a 1503 01:11:46,210 --> 01:11:52,170 role, for sure. Yeah, let's talk a couple other 1504 01:11:52,250 --> 01:11:55,010 interesting followers here. I think the the Patriots 1505 01:11:55,010 --> 01:11:58,300 situation is interesting to talk about as well. 1506 01:11:58,820 --> 01:12:03,300 Taekwon Thornton is down pretty steeply here, down about around 1507 01:12:03,300 --> 01:12:07,860 and a half on news that I think for a while people were 1508 01:12:07,860 --> 01:12:10,780 projecting him to sort of be a starter for the Patriots. 1509 01:12:10,780 --> 01:12:13,620 You know, before Parker got the extension, before they brought 1510 01:12:13,620 --> 01:12:15,940 in Juju. Now the buzz coming out of 1511 01:12:15,940 --> 01:12:18,900 Patriots camp is that he's competing with Kendrick Bourne 1512 01:12:18,940 --> 01:12:22,860 and Demario Douglas for a role in 11 personnel and he has, 1513 01:12:22,860 --> 01:12:25,740 like, you know, no chance at being sort of fulltime starter 1514 01:12:25,740 --> 01:12:27,950 on the team. So I'm just curious. 1515 01:12:28,670 --> 01:12:31,910 I know like some people were high on Thornton as a potential 1516 01:12:31,910 --> 01:12:35,030 year to break out. Is anyone still like are the 1517 01:12:35,030 --> 01:12:37,110 reasons to draft him because he's he's, to be honest, 1518 01:12:37,110 --> 01:12:39,150 completely off my board? Like I'm not even considering 1519 01:12:39,150 --> 01:12:40,990 him now, But does anyone wanna make a case for? 1520 01:12:41,470 --> 01:12:43,310 I I took him a decent amount earlier. 1521 01:12:43,350 --> 01:12:47,830 I I'm completely not taking him now on these concerns, in part 1522 01:12:47,830 --> 01:12:50,310 because I have more exposure than I'd like to have at this 1523 01:12:50,310 --> 01:12:51,510 point. But I took him a decent amount 1524 01:12:51,510 --> 01:12:54,870 earlier because I thought the offense could could turn around. 1525 01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:57,360 I liked the late back stack potential. 1526 01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:01,040 I took too much Mac Jones early as well and he felt like the 1527 01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:03,640 clearest upside path in the wide receiver room. 1528 01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:05,920 I think we know Devante Parker's not a huge upside guy. 1529 01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:09,160 He's going to be like a decent, and in basketball those players 1530 01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:13,360 can help you like a decent producer, you know, Hopefully 1531 01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:15,200 you get some spike weeks out of him going to run some routes. 1532 01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:17,360 He was pretty solid last year when you look at his, you know, 1533 01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:20,440 peripherals and everything, but not going to be like a huge 1534 01:13:20,440 --> 01:13:22,080 breakout. The idea for me earlier in the 1535 01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:23,400 offseason was that Thorn could be. 1536 01:13:23,930 --> 01:13:26,130 The one guy in this passing game had the potential to sort of 1537 01:13:26,130 --> 01:13:29,810 consolidate second round rookie pick last year or I mean draft 1538 01:13:29,810 --> 01:13:34,130 pick last year like NFL pick and and has the speed and then a 1539 01:13:34,130 --> 01:13:37,170 decent production profile in college that you know he could 1540 01:13:37,170 --> 01:13:39,850 be a guy that actually was a breakout for them if they're 1541 01:13:39,850 --> 01:13:41,930 passing him took a step forward with Bill O'Brien and he was 1542 01:13:41,930 --> 01:13:44,290 like the key part of that step forward. 1543 01:13:44,290 --> 01:13:46,650 But it's, yeah, it's not sounding great in August. 1544 01:13:47,970 --> 01:13:49,730 It does concern Pat. I'd be curious to get your 1545 01:13:49,730 --> 01:13:52,450 thoughts cuz like the the thing with. 1546 01:13:52,950 --> 01:13:55,310 Training camp is that a lot of it is positive. 1547 01:13:55,510 --> 01:13:57,990 You know, you hear positive stuff or you don't hear that 1548 01:13:57,990 --> 01:14:00,070 much stuff, or you hear about injuries, but you don't tend to 1549 01:14:00,070 --> 01:14:02,750 hear like this guy, Ain't it like that. 1550 01:14:02,790 --> 01:14:04,590 That's not really what training camp, that's what you're 1551 01:14:04,590 --> 01:14:07,030 hearing. But yeah, today in The Athletic, 1552 01:14:07,470 --> 01:14:09,070 the headline. So it's like a bullet point 1553 01:14:09,070 --> 01:14:12,270 thing here and bullet point number six. 1554 01:14:12,270 --> 01:14:14,430 So this by Chad Graf of The Athletic, bullet point number 1555 01:14:14,430 --> 01:14:18,030 six is it doesn't look like Taekwon Thornton is breaking out 1556 01:14:18,510 --> 01:14:20,550 and then goes on to talk about how he struggled. 1557 01:14:20,550 --> 01:14:24,150 It's been a slow start. Of the team's top six receivers, 1558 01:14:24,150 --> 01:14:27,630 who was the only one who hadn't caught a pass in 11 on 11 drills 1559 01:14:27,630 --> 01:14:30,110 through the 1st 6 practices? Then he seemed to suffer an 1560 01:14:30,110 --> 01:14:31,830 injury that kept him off the field since then. 1561 01:14:31,830 --> 01:14:36,710 Like, this seems very bad. I'm not. 1562 01:14:36,790 --> 01:14:39,630 And then, you know, again, we're used to hearing, we're used to 1563 01:14:39,630 --> 01:14:42,430 parsing hype. Not like this Dude's done. 1564 01:14:42,910 --> 01:14:44,750 No, I know. And you say the fact that it's 1565 01:14:44,750 --> 01:14:50,310 going back to the spring is this weird, like and just even that 1566 01:14:50,310 --> 01:14:51,910 applies to not just rookies but like. 1567 01:14:52,410 --> 01:14:55,370 Any young player like, they missed a lot of the offseason, 1568 01:14:55,650 --> 01:14:56,930 even. It's like very legitimate 1569 01:14:56,930 --> 01:14:59,850 reasons that seems to no matter what, like sour the coaching 1570 01:14:59,850 --> 01:15:05,250 staff, somehow there was someone had resurfaced a tweet like a 1571 01:15:05,250 --> 01:15:08,730 day or two ago or like the receiver coach was based like, 1572 01:15:08,730 --> 01:15:11,130 no, no, Taekwon. Thornton's still good, but all 1573 01:15:11,130 --> 01:15:15,210 he did was like, talk about him being fast, talk about him like 1574 01:15:15,210 --> 01:15:18,170 he didn't, like say anything really, like like convincing 1575 01:15:18,210 --> 01:15:21,370 that he's he's very fast, very, very fast. 1576 01:15:21,410 --> 01:15:24,560 And yeah. Which like super late in the 1577 01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:26,640 best ball draft. Like OK, well maybe they use him 1578 01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:28,320 on the head around in the red zone or something. 1579 01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:30,760 Like maybe he scores a touchdown at some point, it seems. 1580 01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:32,680 Like the bats? Yeah, send someone out there to 1581 01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:33,840 fight. We gotta, like, try to change 1582 01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:36,560 the Taekwon narrative. Taekwon Thornton narrative a 1583 01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:37,880 little bit. And he's just like, he's very 1584 01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:39,240 fast. He's still fast. 1585 01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:42,640 Yeah, still fast. I think with Thornton too, like 1586 01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:46,280 you wanna be, you wanna like, revisit what the bet was, You 1587 01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:48,680 know, like so Thornton was a bet on. 1588 01:15:49,330 --> 01:15:52,290 Second round draft capital routes and speed. 1589 01:15:52,770 --> 01:15:55,610 And so like, he's still technically was a second round 1590 01:15:55,610 --> 01:15:57,530 pick, but the team's not treating him like that anymore. 1591 01:15:57,930 --> 01:15:59,570 The speed is the only part of this he's. 1592 01:15:59,770 --> 01:16:00,970 Fast. He's still fast. 1593 01:16:02,810 --> 01:16:05,650 That's what he has, yeah. He wasn't efficient at all as a 1594 01:16:05,650 --> 01:16:08,370 rookie. The team now seems pretty like 1595 01:16:08,370 --> 01:16:10,370 reluctant to really give him much of A role. 1596 01:16:10,370 --> 01:16:13,010 The routes look. I mean we you cannot say that he 1597 01:16:13,010 --> 01:16:16,570 has routes like routes are now a full blown question mark, so. 1598 01:16:17,500 --> 01:16:18,980 It's just it's just down to speed. 1599 01:16:19,220 --> 01:16:23,860 Yeah, well, another tweet from Doug Guide or this was from 1600 01:16:23,860 --> 01:16:25,460 yesterday. Taekwon Thornton's lack of 1601 01:16:25,460 --> 01:16:27,300 physicality was evident at times. 1602 01:16:27,300 --> 01:16:31,530 That sounds good. Well, the thing you do have 1603 01:16:31,530 --> 01:16:34,290 going for you with the type one bet is that Belcher does have a 1604 01:16:34,290 --> 01:16:36,930 really good track record of hitting on sort of wide 1605 01:16:36,930 --> 01:16:38,650 receivers. So that you still have that to 1606 01:16:38,650 --> 01:16:41,090 go back on? But that lack of physicality 1607 01:16:41,090 --> 01:16:42,650 thing, wasn't that a Nikhil Harry thing? 1608 01:16:42,690 --> 01:16:45,410 Like, so sometimes do you wonder these beats get some of their, 1609 01:16:45,410 --> 01:16:48,170 like, buzzwords or their notes on players from the coaches, 1610 01:16:48,170 --> 01:16:50,810 like the coaches telling him, you know, on the sideline, like, 1611 01:16:50,810 --> 01:16:52,690 yeah, we're worried about thorns physicality. 1612 01:16:52,690 --> 01:16:54,730 And then we end up seeing that in a tweet where he's like, hey, 1613 01:16:54,730 --> 01:16:56,250 his lack of physicality was evident. 1614 01:16:57,400 --> 01:16:59,000 That was. I feel like one of the things we 1615 01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:02,200 heard about Nikhil Harry early on was that he was not physical 1616 01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:04,840 enough. It might be the Patriots kind of 1617 01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:06,880 way of, you know, we're out on this dude. 1618 01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:08,560 Like, even. More so than. 1619 01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:11,200 Like he's not. He's not doing what we need him 1620 01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:13,880 to do physically. Yeah, that's obviously bad. 1621 01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:17,480 But to me, the biggest red flag was like, I think this was maybe 1622 01:17:17,480 --> 01:17:20,400 last Thursday or something. It was reported that Juju 1623 01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:22,480 appeared to be ahead of him in two wide receiver sets. 1624 01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:25,560 That means Juju as an outside wide receiver is more trusted 1625 01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:28,280 than you, which is a. Huge red flag. 1626 01:17:29,440 --> 01:17:32,840 We're talking huge. Yes, we're going to, man, 1627 01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:34,040 they're, they're hyping up that's. 1628 01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:36,480 Not huge. Kendrick Bourne, who? 1629 01:17:36,480 --> 01:17:39,320 The team hit it and the beat was like, so down on last year. 1630 01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:40,400 They're hyping up Kendrick Bourne. 1631 01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:42,920 They're hyping up this six round rookie that no one's heard of. 1632 01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:46,120 And like, there's one guy that's not getting positive reviews and 1633 01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:47,840 everyone else is getting positive reviews, so. 1634 01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:49,520 Yeah, it's. Well, Mike was saying. 1635 01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:51,080 He's getting very negative reviews as well. 1636 01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:53,880 See Crane hit on a really interesting point too. 1637 01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:57,710 Like like it's. It's not always noteworthy when 1638 01:17:57,710 --> 01:17:59,870 someone gets praised because you're kind of expecting that 1639 01:17:59,870 --> 01:18:03,470 that that this time of year it is very noteworthy when yeah, 1640 01:18:03,470 --> 01:18:06,790 they just can't think of anything nice to say and so 1641 01:18:06,790 --> 01:18:08,710 they. And then they still don't say 1642 01:18:08,710 --> 01:18:10,310 anything at all. Instead of not saying anything 1643 01:18:10,310 --> 01:18:13,030 at all, they say something. Not, they say, the bad things, 1644 01:18:13,030 --> 01:18:15,830 yeah. So you guys are saying all of my 1645 01:18:15,830 --> 01:18:18,150 Mac Jones backstacks have to be Hunter Henry now? 1646 01:18:18,190 --> 01:18:21,830 Because I was saying backstacks are you gotta, you gotta open 1647 01:18:21,830 --> 01:18:23,190 your third eye. Devante Parker. 1648 01:18:23,630 --> 01:18:25,710 I hate. My eyes open. 1649 01:18:25,710 --> 01:18:27,110 I mean, he's gonna run the route. 1650 01:18:27,470 --> 01:18:30,990 Parker's running all the routes, and hey, hey, look at his box 1651 01:18:30,990 --> 01:18:32,830 scores. Last year you're gonna see two 1652 01:18:32,830 --> 01:18:34,470 massive games. My computer turned. 1653 01:18:34,470 --> 01:18:37,790 Weed self off when I googled Devante Parker ESPN game Log. 1654 01:18:40,670 --> 01:18:43,630 There's another guy that doesn't play a lot of football, like you 1655 01:18:43,630 --> 01:18:45,870 stayed healthy last year, but I mean, good luck. 1656 01:18:45,870 --> 01:18:47,510 He's gonna make it through. Actually, he did. 1657 01:18:47,510 --> 01:18:48,710 He played thirteen games last year. 1658 01:18:48,710 --> 01:18:50,550 He's played sixteen games once in his career. 1659 01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:53,040 Hey, third sounds like Cooper Cup. 1660 01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:54,800 Sounds like Cooper Cup. Am I right? 1661 01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:58,200 Think about Duvante Parker's He will never hit the target Cliff. 1662 01:18:58,280 --> 01:18:59,840 It's actually impossible for. Them true? 1663 01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:03,200 Yeah. Or maybe he did that one season 1664 01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:05,160 of Miami where he had 12. 100 Patrick ruined him. 1665 01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:07,080 Fitzpatrick. Grew to the target Cliff. 1666 01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:11,920 He hit the target Cliff. To be clear, I do not believe in 1667 01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:15,760 the target. Cliff. 1668 01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:18,320 I love the target Cliff. I have to emphasize this. 1669 01:19:19,910 --> 01:19:22,270 There is Tony, another guy on this list who will probably 1670 01:19:22,270 --> 01:19:24,590 never hit the target Cliff. He doesn't have enough. 1671 01:19:25,550 --> 01:19:27,390 Now, Pat. Did he hit the target Cliff in a 1672 01:19:27,390 --> 01:19:29,030 single game? Is there a single game target 1673 01:19:29,030 --> 01:19:29,950 clip? Yeah, no. 1674 01:19:29,950 --> 01:19:31,190 Yeah, he did. You're right. 1675 01:19:31,190 --> 01:19:34,310 The 15 target game or whatever that he had early for the Giants 1676 01:19:34,310 --> 01:19:36,750 two years ago, that was the target Cliff for Tony. 1677 01:19:36,790 --> 01:19:38,430 Interesting. You know, it's usually in a 1678 01:19:38,430 --> 01:19:40,150 season, but it can happen in a game. 1679 01:19:41,590 --> 01:19:44,230 There's too much pressure on his lower body and he's never been 1680 01:19:44,230 --> 01:19:46,270 the same after that. I think it was. 1681 01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:49,760 I think it wasn't a genuinely like a 17 target game or 1682 01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:50,800 something. I'm pulling it up. 1683 01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:53,840 He had a 13 target game and then a 12 target game later in the 1684 01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:54,440 same year. Wow. 1685 01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:55,200 I mean. Crazy. 1686 01:19:55,200 --> 01:20:00,440 That's That's a career under. Honestly, might have been a 1687 01:20:00,440 --> 01:20:05,160 career with Tony, like the way he's able to, like, move his 1688 01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:06,920 body in ways that no other human does. 1689 01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:08,960 Like maybe don't. Maybe, I know, I think. 1690 01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:13,120 Maybe move it in a normal way. The kidding aside that I really 1691 01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:17,270 do think that has to be it. He's placing like force on his 1692 01:20:17,270 --> 01:20:19,430 joints that just like it's not natural. 1693 01:20:19,430 --> 01:20:23,270 Just it's. Actually, kind of like when you 1694 01:20:23,270 --> 01:20:25,230 watch the move, it's almost impressive that he doesn't get 1695 01:20:25,230 --> 01:20:27,630 hurt. More like I think if I tried to 1696 01:20:27,630 --> 01:20:29,830 do any of the moves that Tony did, like my bones would 1697 01:20:29,830 --> 01:20:31,470 literally be like popping out of my skin. 1698 01:20:31,470 --> 01:20:33,750 Well, his are too, yeah. Yeah. 1699 01:20:34,710 --> 01:20:38,230 Well, I think they always show is him scoring that TD in the 1700 01:20:38,230 --> 01:20:41,230 sideline where he hopped into the end zone and it actually 1701 01:20:41,230 --> 01:20:43,230 wasn't hurt, but like that was bad form. 1702 01:20:44,090 --> 01:20:46,810 Yeah, like, dude, don't do that. Like, you don't do that. 1703 01:20:47,490 --> 01:20:49,210 Everyone watching that was like, oh, he's hurt again. 1704 01:20:49,330 --> 01:20:50,770 And then he wasn't hurt. I was like, OK, well, you're 1705 01:20:50,770 --> 01:20:53,850 hurt 2 seconds later, so I mean, he's literally. 1706 01:20:53,850 --> 01:20:56,050 Tempting fate like, Oh no, am I hurting everyone? 1707 01:20:56,050 --> 01:20:58,970 Justin Jefferson did that. Like, yeah, you man just tore 1708 01:20:58,970 --> 01:21:02,410 your knee, dude. So my question on Tony is why is 1709 01:21:02,410 --> 01:21:06,530 he still going at 95 and how has he not fallen to like 120 like? 1710 01:21:07,290 --> 01:21:09,650 I'm, I'm taking him at. I'm one of the guys. 1711 01:21:09,650 --> 01:21:13,730 I'm taking him. 95. I'm willing to take him to 95. 1712 01:21:13,730 --> 01:21:16,970 It's it's correlated. I'm taking him Correlated, but 1713 01:21:16,970 --> 01:21:18,890 all right, you guys. You guys hate. 1714 01:21:18,890 --> 01:21:20,490 Who were they playing in Week 17? 1715 01:21:20,490 --> 01:21:21,810 I'm sure I'm the only one. Of the Bengals. 1716 01:21:22,050 --> 01:21:22,730 Bengals. My Bengals. 1717 01:21:22,730 --> 01:21:23,690 Oh my God. That's. 1718 01:21:23,690 --> 01:21:25,530 That's part of the reason why. Because you got Burrow. 1719 01:21:25,530 --> 01:21:27,050 So. So here's the thing. 1720 01:21:27,410 --> 01:21:31,610 Burrow and and my homes are on that side of the board. 1721 01:21:32,090 --> 01:21:34,690 So that's like in the the spot where you're looking to be 1722 01:21:34,690 --> 01:21:38,470 taking Tony anyway? And then right, I have that 1723 01:21:38,470 --> 01:21:39,990 right, don't I? I'm not reaching for Tony. 1724 01:21:39,990 --> 01:21:42,750 Tell me. I'm not reaching for Tony. 95 is 1725 01:21:42,950 --> 01:21:44,710 late 8. Late 8 Okay. 1726 01:21:44,710 --> 01:21:45,870 Yeah. So the 8-9 turn. 1727 01:21:45,910 --> 01:21:48,990 Yeah. So that's he's set up for the 1728 01:21:48,990 --> 01:21:51,710 correlation pick. And then you just think about 1729 01:21:51,710 --> 01:21:55,590 like, you know late season upside spike weeks hitting your 1730 01:21:55,590 --> 01:21:59,310 lineup at that 8-9 price. You know, that's probably like 1731 01:21:59,310 --> 01:22:02,110 your wider see were five. Like that's actually kind of 1732 01:22:02,110 --> 01:22:03,710 what you're looking for, you know? 1733 01:22:03,710 --> 01:22:07,990 So he, he fits your builds, I think so much more logically 1734 01:22:07,990 --> 01:22:09,990 than he did when he was at that 6-7 turn. 1735 01:22:09,990 --> 01:22:13,590 That was like a core piece, like a guy you need contributing more 1736 01:22:13,590 --> 01:22:15,670 regularly. Again, this goes to like how I 1737 01:22:15,670 --> 01:22:19,390 tend to build teams where I'm often 4 wide receivers deep 1738 01:22:19,390 --> 01:22:22,190 before I take Tony. But I just think he can like I 1739 01:22:22,190 --> 01:22:25,870 can kind of carry Tony through a few weeks of him not playing at 1740 01:22:25,870 --> 01:22:27,710 all. And then there's going to be 1741 01:22:27,710 --> 01:22:31,190 some inconsistent. He'll be there to not play later 1742 01:22:31,190 --> 01:22:34,070 as well. Yeah, that's true. 1743 01:22:34,070 --> 01:22:36,470 He'll also, I'll carry him through those first few weeks 1744 01:22:36,470 --> 01:22:37,950 and he doesn't play until the later. 1745 01:22:37,950 --> 01:22:40,310 He's gonna be on the Houston Texans then, by the way. 1746 01:22:41,310 --> 01:22:42,630 But. But look, I mean, if you want to 1747 01:22:42,630 --> 01:22:46,990 talk about pick 120, right? I mean, Jamison Williams goes at 1748 01:22:47,110 --> 01:22:51,670 pick 102 and has gotten very poor reviews in training camp. 1749 01:22:52,710 --> 01:22:54,870 Dan Campbell coming out and saying, like, I just don't think 1750 01:22:54,870 --> 01:22:57,630 his hands are like that good. He's just got bad hands, so Oh 1751 01:22:57,630 --> 01:22:59,810 well. Like that seems that seems bad. 1752 01:23:01,490 --> 01:23:05,530 That's not good. He's suspended for six games, 1753 01:23:05,810 --> 01:23:09,410 has never, I mean he has one career reception, he has one 1754 01:23:09,410 --> 01:23:12,210 career reception and we're still taking him at 102. 1755 01:23:13,010 --> 01:23:16,210 I do think like relative to Jamison Williams, Tony makes a 1756 01:23:16,210 --> 01:23:18,930 lot of sense and especially because you're able to correlate 1757 01:23:18,930 --> 01:23:21,930 him with either borough or. But those aren't your only two 1758 01:23:21,930 --> 01:23:23,330 options. You could take a run. 1759 01:23:23,450 --> 01:23:25,790 I was gonna say I agree if you. I agree. 1760 01:23:25,790 --> 01:23:28,350 If you compare every pick with Jameson Williams, it's a good 1761 01:23:28,350 --> 01:23:29,710 argument to make that pick. But. 1762 01:23:30,190 --> 01:23:32,390 Yeah, sure. But he's sort of right. 1763 01:23:32,390 --> 01:23:34,430 It's a similar play. It's a similar play where you're 1764 01:23:34,470 --> 01:23:36,030 now. Yeah, maybe he's just massively. 1765 01:23:36,030 --> 01:23:37,710 I'm talking about someone to Tony. 1766 01:23:38,430 --> 01:23:41,190 Here's here's the other pick in this range that I could argue is 1767 01:23:41,190 --> 01:23:43,870 the other worst pick in this range, and he's better than 1768 01:23:43,910 --> 01:23:47,110 that. But I'm just like, all right, 1769 01:23:47,990 --> 01:23:50,110 It's like a pure. Upside play and I know I'm 1770 01:23:50,110 --> 01:23:52,710 missing games. I'm getting I'm missing fewer 1771 01:23:52,710 --> 01:23:56,550 than six games, probably. And I think he has more upside. 1772 01:23:56,750 --> 01:23:58,870 So I'm just like, so yeah, but you're right, Jameson wants 1773 01:23:58,870 --> 01:24:00,990 brought his terrible pick and I shouldn't take Tony either. 1774 01:24:04,910 --> 01:24:06,350 Well, that's. That's a good way to That's my 1775 01:24:06,390 --> 01:24:09,750 thought on Tony's things out. I feel like he's outside the 1776 01:24:09,750 --> 01:24:12,350 wide receiver window and I want to be pivoting to receivers if 1777 01:24:12,350 --> 01:24:13,910 I'm or. I mean running backs if I'm 1778 01:24:13,910 --> 01:24:18,910 thinking Tony like I I I'm now thought like I I see there's 1779 01:24:18,910 --> 01:24:21,030 upside pass for him. But I've now gotten to the point 1780 01:24:21,030 --> 01:24:24,440 where I'm like I. Don't want to be trusting him 1781 01:24:24,440 --> 01:24:26,080 anywhere near this ADP, basically. 1782 01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:28,480 Were you taking any at all? Cuz that's part of it for me too 1783 01:24:28,480 --> 01:24:33,280 is I had a massive. I had not had that first drag of 1784 01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:35,280 a Cadarius Tony cigarette yet. I have not. 1785 01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:37,480 I think I've taken him a couple times. 1786 01:24:37,480 --> 01:24:39,560 But no, not a lot correlating. A couple times. 1787 01:24:40,060 --> 01:24:42,700 Yeah, I'd taken him I think one. I think my one. 1788 01:24:42,700 --> 01:24:44,900 I had like 2 shares, but one was it a Mastiff? 1789 01:24:45,060 --> 01:24:49,740 And I was like God. Damn, I was a big hit of 1790 01:24:49,780 --> 01:24:52,340 gadarius, Tony. Yeah, because I got, I was 1791 01:24:52,340 --> 01:24:55,060 getting nervous, like, what are those Mastiffs costs again? 1792 01:24:55,940 --> 01:25:00,620 This costs 1000 thousand dollars So yeah it's not I don't feel 1793 01:25:00,620 --> 01:25:03,900 good about it the but he was making me nervous like I had 1794 01:25:03,900 --> 01:25:07,420 this incredibly hard stance against Gadarius Tony. 1795 01:25:07,420 --> 01:25:10,630 But the upside? You know, if he stayed healthy, 1796 01:25:10,630 --> 01:25:13,230 this is before he got hurt. But if he stayed healthy and 1797 01:25:13,750 --> 01:25:17,470 they were talking up as the number wide receiver, like I 1798 01:25:17,470 --> 01:25:20,270 know we can earn targets at a very high rate in any given 1799 01:25:20,270 --> 01:25:22,070 game. Like he was someone I was like 1800 01:25:22,070 --> 01:25:25,230 this dude could bury me. So now that I can get him still 1801 01:25:25,230 --> 01:25:29,310 correlated at the 8-9 turn, I'm just trying to mix him in 1802 01:25:29,310 --> 01:25:32,990 because I do think there there are late season scenarios where 1803 01:25:32,990 --> 01:25:34,670 it's like don't you kind of needed Tony? 1804 01:25:35,460 --> 01:25:38,020 I think that's that's definitely fair and when you're drafting 1805 01:25:38,020 --> 01:25:41,340 7000 teams like Pat Karain, you should probably find ways to mix 1806 01:25:41,340 --> 01:25:44,220 him in. But for everyone else, yeah, I 1807 01:25:44,220 --> 01:25:47,300 also think that like, so if we're saying the way Justin Ross 1808 01:25:47,300 --> 01:25:49,940 makes the team is Tony gets stashed in IR, I think. 1809 01:25:49,940 --> 01:25:52,220 We're gonna get that new cycle and he's gonna drop. 1810 01:25:52,340 --> 01:25:53,740 Good point. More rounds, Pat. 1811 01:25:53,740 --> 01:25:55,500 So that's, that's what I'm like, DraftKings. 1812 01:25:55,500 --> 01:25:57,300 He's dropped way more than he has an underdog. 1813 01:25:57,740 --> 01:26:00,990 I will say DraftKings. Underdog is way less reactive to 1814 01:26:00,990 --> 01:26:03,710 DraftKings, but I think sometimes like in a in a bad way 1815 01:26:03,710 --> 01:26:07,430 like Tony as I agree like so slowly from where he was from 1816 01:26:07,430 --> 01:26:08,510 like guys. I don't get it. 1817 01:26:08,510 --> 01:26:12,110 Like it should be a big drop, like pretty quickly, which 1818 01:26:12,110 --> 01:26:14,270 DraftKings reflected. Underdog has not reflected that, 1819 01:26:14,590 --> 01:26:17,670 so I'm just waiting. More like I took him at like 115 1820 01:26:17,990 --> 01:26:19,830 one time on Underdog where he fell Aton. 1821 01:26:19,830 --> 01:26:21,150 I'm kind of waiting. I'm waiting. 1822 01:26:21,390 --> 01:26:24,790 Get off the ADP like I know ADP like, oh we gotta take ADP value 1823 01:26:24,790 --> 01:26:27,430 and stuff like but this is not the time just to like blindly 1824 01:26:27,430 --> 01:26:29,540 scoop ADP value. You do want to be like, I was 1825 01:26:29,540 --> 01:26:32,180 making fun of, you know, some of the falls was like Pacheco goes 1826 01:26:32,180 --> 01:26:34,100 on pup and everyone like freaked out. 1827 01:26:34,100 --> 01:26:36,820 So like, we don't want to just like chase our tail on this 1828 01:26:36,820 --> 01:26:39,180 stuff. But when material things happen, 1829 01:26:39,180 --> 01:26:43,540 we do want to be willing to like fade to do, like to skip out on 1830 01:26:43,540 --> 01:26:45,740 that sweet, sweet ADP value because things are changing 1831 01:26:45,780 --> 01:26:48,300 around till you die. That's the only way to go. 1832 01:26:48,660 --> 01:26:50,380 Great. What's the timer on the mastiff? 1833 01:26:50,380 --> 01:26:54,380 Is this still only 30 seconds? I so I haven't been able to get 1834 01:26:54,380 --> 01:26:56,780 any fast mastiffs in there. I did. 1835 01:26:56,820 --> 01:26:58,690 I did mine slow. All right, good. 1836 01:26:59,770 --> 01:27:02,370 But I. Feel like you should. 1837 01:27:02,370 --> 01:27:07,010 I mean we will do a fast mast if we are on the show as we're 1838 01:27:07,010 --> 01:27:09,690 wrapping up here. A fast if coming up, I think. 1839 01:27:10,010 --> 01:27:16,250 Yeah, fast if maybe next week, maybe in three weeks, we'll 1840 01:27:16,250 --> 01:27:17,090 figure it out. But. 1841 01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:21,000 Anyways, that was that was good. You know, 30 minutes and let you 1842 01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:23,560 slot receivers 30 minutes and the giant slot receivers and 30 1843 01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:25,680 minutes. I made Sam put Tony back on the 1844 01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:26,840 agenda. Pat for you. 1845 01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:29,920 Yeah, that that's true. Actually I actually tried to 1846 01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:32,800 remove never once on a podcast where we did not discuss 1847 01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:36,680 Canaries Tony for a minimum of 15 minutes and he even you know. 1848 01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:42,340 Of course we all knew that the the Justin that Ross was just a 1849 01:27:42,420 --> 01:27:45,100 that was like a back door to get Tony talk in there and then we 1850 01:27:45,100 --> 01:27:48,500 still had we still had Tony on the agenda anyway so. 1851 01:27:49,340 --> 01:27:51,820 Yeah, you gotta you gotta double dip with Tony in every show. 1852 01:27:52,860 --> 01:27:55,140 It hurts to be the Tony Truther. I think I'm gonna. 1853 01:27:55,260 --> 01:27:57,380 I'm gonna have to be. That was interesting, Pat. 1854 01:27:58,220 --> 01:28:00,420 Doesn't seem like the PAT I've come to know. 1855 01:28:00,940 --> 01:28:03,140 Well, I think, I think Sam's right about the his fall. 1856 01:28:03,380 --> 01:28:06,260 I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna just 1011 turn. 1857 01:28:06,380 --> 01:28:07,860 I'm gonna be in a 10/11 turn though, guys. 1858 01:28:07,900 --> 01:28:13,610 Yeah, stop holding him up. After I myself have done this 1859 01:28:13,610 --> 01:28:18,130 five to six times, I noticed it became very sensible and doing 1860 01:28:18,130 --> 01:28:25,490 it. Cool, man. 1861 01:28:26,370 --> 01:28:30,610 All right, Pat, what do we have going on on Rotor Worlds? 1862 01:28:30,930 --> 01:28:33,330 What's what's in the works? You know, trying to do some 1863 01:28:33,330 --> 01:28:35,930 blurbs, that kind of things of that nature. 1864 01:28:35,930 --> 01:28:38,010 Preseason is finally beginning this week. 1865 01:28:38,540 --> 01:28:41,220 That'll be interesting. We'll try not to react overreact 1866 01:28:41,300 --> 01:28:42,460 to. That's the thing with the 1867 01:28:42,460 --> 01:28:45,660 preseason is like knowing what even more than training camp has 1868 01:28:45,660 --> 01:28:49,700 become Hard to know what to actually react to since like all 1869 01:28:49,700 --> 01:28:52,220 32 teams now basically approach the preseason differently. 1870 01:28:52,220 --> 01:28:55,340 Some teams will genuinely play their starters way fewer than 1871 01:28:55,340 --> 01:28:57,380 they used to. And just trying to parse the 1872 01:28:57,380 --> 01:28:59,180 preseason. We're gonna have some a lot of 1873 01:28:59,180 --> 01:29:01,780 preseason Week 1 followup content next week. 1874 01:29:02,180 --> 01:29:04,220 I'm trying to do like kind of a canned article. 1875 01:29:04,220 --> 01:29:07,790 Like like, not a very creative concept, but I am working on 1876 01:29:07,790 --> 01:29:11,750 ranking the fantasy offenses and so I'm hoping that's up by the 1877 01:29:11,750 --> 01:29:13,830 end of the week. So you just keep it locked to 1878 01:29:13,830 --> 01:29:20,790 the site, keep it locked to a roto pet on X, and yeah. 1879 01:29:21,030 --> 01:29:26,150 You've never heard anyone do that promotional thing. 1880 01:29:26,510 --> 01:29:27,630 That's what we got going right now. 1881 01:29:27,630 --> 01:29:28,990 I'm really hoping they fight, by the way. 1882 01:29:29,510 --> 01:29:32,880 Yeah. Yeah, I think he did on X this 1883 01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:33,920 morning. I know. 1884 01:29:34,280 --> 01:29:35,040 Gosh. Gosh. 1885 01:29:35,280 --> 01:29:37,600 I hope Elon avoids the the PUP list before that. 1886 01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:41,480 I know I think Elon's not hoping to avoid the PUP list. 1887 01:29:41,480 --> 01:29:43,880 I think he's actually demanding they find a reason to get him on 1888 01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:46,360 the PUP list. Elon not in the best shape of 1889 01:29:46,360 --> 01:29:47,360 his life. No. 1890 01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:50,040 And reports the beat is not really high. 1891 01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:51,720 And just in case people don't know what we're talking about, 1892 01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:54,800 it's two of the richest people in the world trying to arrange a 1893 01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:59,170 cage match, Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk. 1894 01:29:59,250 --> 01:30:02,570 And one of them is undergoing an Mr. I I wish any of this were 1895 01:30:02,570 --> 01:30:06,410 fake, but it's all true. So, yeah, there you go. 1896 01:30:06,610 --> 01:30:08,650 Great way to end the show. As reported by the Wall Street 1897 01:30:08,650 --> 01:30:14,690 Journal. Anyways, this is not This is why 1898 01:30:14,690 --> 01:30:17,570 we are stacking Jalen Hyatt with Matthew Stafford in real life. 1899 01:30:18,450 --> 01:30:22,530 So. That's a simulation. 1900 01:30:22,530 --> 01:30:24,050 This does feel pretty simulation. 1901 01:30:27,180 --> 01:30:29,100 Pat, what do we got going on a legendary upside. 1902 01:30:30,100 --> 01:30:32,740 I teased an article that I had out last week that was a fun, 1903 01:30:32,780 --> 01:30:36,620 fun little short article. And hey, if you sign up at 1904 01:30:36,620 --> 01:30:40,380 legendaryupside.com you can also hear that narrated as a podcast. 1905 01:30:41,220 --> 01:30:46,620 If you sign up it's $10 a month, 99 for the year, but yearly sub 1906 01:30:46,620 --> 01:30:49,500 will get you a $50 hundred dollar credit if you fill out a 1907 01:30:49,500 --> 01:30:52,460 form that you find on home page of legendaryupside.com. 1908 01:30:53,250 --> 01:30:56,050 Yeah, that can get you a full 10th of a mastiff right there. 1909 01:30:56,050 --> 01:30:57,370 So that's a pretty, pretty good deal. 1910 01:30:57,370 --> 01:31:00,770 We're two Bbm's, you know? The R2 BBM fours 2 fours. 1911 01:31:00,810 --> 01:31:03,210 Yeah, two fours. Gretch. 1912 01:31:03,530 --> 01:31:04,890 What? What do we got going on stealing 1913 01:31:04,890 --> 01:31:09,050 signals? I'm about to finish the 1914 01:31:09,050 --> 01:31:11,890 offseason stealing signals post, which was team by team deep 1915 01:31:11,890 --> 01:31:14,290 dives. Listen out the signals and the 1916 01:31:14,290 --> 01:31:21,170 noise and the key stats and breakdowns for each rankings. 1917 01:31:23,310 --> 01:31:27,230 You know, tiered targets and fades, lot, lot of stuff coming. 1918 01:31:27,230 --> 01:31:28,550 I don't know. I had a whole list over there, 1919 01:31:28,630 --> 01:31:32,150 so yeah. Awesome stuff. 1920 01:31:32,590 --> 01:31:37,070 We'll be back next week, I think, you know three or four 1921 01:31:37,070 --> 01:31:39,510 more ADP chasings left to close out the season. 1922 01:31:39,790 --> 01:31:41,390 We'll have Leonie on at some point. 1923 01:31:41,390 --> 01:31:44,830 We'll be doing a massive draft and we'll be finally going over 1924 01:31:44,830 --> 01:31:48,550 our ADP value game at some point to close up the year, which I've 1925 01:31:48,630 --> 01:31:51,710 definitely been. Diligently tracking and 1926 01:31:51,710 --> 01:31:54,550 definitely have those all written down something there so. 1927 01:31:54,750 --> 01:31:58,070 Do we take that to the to the wire or we calling like a like a 1928 01:31:58,070 --> 01:32:03,750 show where it has to come in by? We'll figure it out. 1929 01:32:04,150 --> 01:32:05,630 I got. I definitely have a plan for it. 1930 01:32:05,750 --> 01:32:07,030 Don't. It's like, I don't know that 1931 01:32:07,070 --> 01:32:11,910 poor Pixar Pen. Anyways, Funcho guys. 1932 01:32:12,270 --> 01:32:14,350 We'll see you here next week.