All right, guys, it is time for what I believe is becoming an
annual tradition around here and ship chasing.
I bust out the Google Sheets, and we do a dynasty, rookie mock
draft, this year, we're bringing in some of our friends.
We got JJ, the late Ron Kuby Blair from Road of is and a new
Face around here. Ron Stewart, you guys might know
him hanging around in the ship, chasing VIPs.
Also his terrific, YouTube channel.
We are going to do a 12-team mock.
Each of us are going to have two teams and we're going to go
through it and of course, yes we will find out who is this
year's? Jalen wider Meyer all tonight on
ship? Jason prier homos.
I need a hand job. Fix your side for your bar.
Chase. All right, I know, I know blares
no, no, stranger to the ship chasing, but Ron and JJ.
I believe this is your guys's first time on ship.
Chasing somehow JJ. Have you been on before?
I don't know, man. I don't know.
I do shows with each of you individually these bit but I
don't know, I don't know. I don't know if I've been on or
not. What are you gonna do about it
before the show? I was like, I mean, we've
definitely done that video with you baby.
Maybe not well JJ. I will say you were the exact
type of person that I feel so bad asking to do a show at night
in. This isn't saying you're a
boomer, but I do just feel like you're like, dude, I'm in bed by
10:00. Like, why are you asking me to
be up? Yeah, I mean, look at this is
30. This is past my bedtime for
sure. There's no doubt.
Well, I appreciate you. Do it, and then, Ron on the
other hand, just revealed he was up till 3:00 a.m. playing video
games. So, you're just getting started
tonight. Yeah, I fell asleep on this
couch last night, I truly hate to say it and will be the show
came out last night and I couldn't put it down so I cannot
relate to the, you know. East Coast going to bed early,
everything. Yeah, he's got his dad's.
I don't think I fit that demographic.
Awesome. Blair, how are you doing?
Normally I feel like we have a guitar in the background.
You got the you got the bookshelf going today, though.
It's right. Change it up a little bit today.
Wanted to feel smarter for this Mock Draft, so break everything.
So there you go. Yeah.
I will not be able to question any of your selections because
of the rich mahogany, bound books behind you.
How it works. Pat, how are you doing the chat
was mentioning it. You did an awesome podcast with
j.j. earlier. Everyone should check that out.
What's going on in your world? Yeah, good prep for this podcast
because we talked through the rookie class, we hiked up is a
band of Canada which was pretty good timing.
That's a do that. Yeah, kind of a kind of last
call for further hype and we got it in ya.
So everyone should check that pot out was a good one.
I've been laughing about the easy stuff because I'm famously
in a million Underdog. Slow.
Listen, I've been logging into mine today and like 17th round
and he's gone the pic before me. Now every time I looked it up
like this JJ and Pat, Steve its coveted did Ha Brody.
The produce steam is reloading a grouch.
How are you? Good.
I haven't you know, with all the
Omni stuff and everything else have been talking about how I am
way behind on the prospect stuff.
I'm the the six-man here but I got up to speed today with your
guys's pod with JJ's Awesome Prospect guide with all the word
of this stuff right up, right? A playwright Andrews piece
today. So yeah I've been I've been
crunching for this drafted, a last-minute prep for my further.
Mocked her house Gretchen. I think I'll be good through
like the first five or six picks and then you know, I'm gonna
start looking for the next Jalen wider Meyer.
I think is my strategy for tonight.
So great, I moved through the gym in Water by her got this
year. You know what it's gonna be
shooting fish in a barrel though for us if we're trying to find
late-round tight ends, I mean This is the year to try to
unearth a late-round prospect but this is how this is going to
go because we want to make sure it's like a 12-team mock draft
which most of you will be doing when you're doing your Dynasty
drafts. We are each going to have two
Selections in the round and to make it fair we will each have
one selection in the top, six picks and one selection in the
back half of the draft, I have used the incredibly powerful
model to determine this. It is called random.
Org, right here, I am going to get Ron.
How many times should I randomize this for?
This is for pics. One through six.
Give me 1440. Okay, all right.
I'm sorry. 48 just said it's past his bedtime.
You want me to ratify this 14 times.
All right? What To, I didn't know, it's
3:14. All right.
JJ did get rewarded from this the influencer 101, right here.
JJ, how many times do I randomize this for the back,
half of the draft to what? And to Pat is going to have?
B-17 Gretsch. The 112 and I will get the
Google sheet going. This is a special service I
offer for mock drafters. I will let you know my rates but
JJ, let's just get right off to it.
The 101, we are doing a super Flex tied in premium.
Rookie draft, this was the format invented by David
kitchen, so we do need to pay our respects to him.
Vajayjay, the 1011 of History. Nope.
For is yours. Who's the 101 in this in this
class you know? I you know Pat and I actually
had a little bit of a discussion about this on his show where you
know you could maybe make the argument in a superflex league
to go. The quarterback route even
though Bichons on the board but I think that that I will be
going with the best Prospect running back prospects and say
qualms Berkeley in be John. Robinson with this with this one
on one pick. And I heard you guys talking
about a little bit and how you know in hindsight maybe this
should start to look silly. Do you think if we had more of a
locked and loaded 101 like prot, like if we had a Trevor Lawrence
or a joke bro do you think this would be a harder conversation?
Yeah for sure. I mean like yeah I think it
would be it would be more difficult for sure.
You know I personally know whenever I'm building my Dynasty
rosters, my superflex rosters. You know I'm in Leagues with a
lot of you guys and you know I'm building through quarterback.
And because of the way they just number one and can appreciate in
value but also their currency and superflex leagues and you
know I do I wouldn't be surprised.
I think I mentioned this the Pat I wouldn't be surprised if a
Stroud or a Bryce young is is ranked ahead of or close to be
Jean entering year to if one of those guys blows up in your in
your water has a good season, it just seems like at this point in
time. Robinson is just so bus proof
that that it feels. It feels pretty.
Easy to click that button with them at 101.
I was just telling you guys this pot today and I felt like you
guys were making a decent case for quarterback because
everything you just said about it being a value store.
I mean, these, this is a pretty good quarterback class.
They don't have to do a ton to maintain like, your, to start up
value for like, Lance and Fields will still, like, second-round
picks and startups, right? Like, yeah, are at a place right
now with the quarterback position, I mean Stroud's of
good Prospect, right? I mean I think is there
something to say if you're not in a wind now roster you
probably shouldn't be going like Bijan because good running back.
Prospects can bust. Ya know I don't think it's like
a horrible or like like if I'm not ready to take on Robinson, I
think it's fine to just get as much as you can out of a trade
for that. I don't think that you
necessarily have to force the issue with one of the
quarterbacks, I can tell you, like, I I published my rankings.
Today on my patreon, my superflex rankings and I
included rookies this month with the update and right now,
Robinson's like a late first and superflex late.
First round pick and startups. And then I have, you know,
shroud and Bryce young as like a late second.
So like it's not like, you know, of course there's a value
difference there but it's not like it's so so dramatic that
like I would fault someone for wanting to go that direction but
because you're sitting there where we know the one-on-one has
a value of x and the Of out and 102 is x minus y, you might as
well try to get that difference in a trade.
Instead of just forcing the issue with the quarterback.
Is there anyone on the panel who would not be taking Bijan 101?
Crickets. I think I might I might make a
case for strap because I do think there are.
I think the obvious is not an attack on JJ.
I think everyone is saying Bijan is 101.
I think there is something to be said about the.
We've been really fortunate with the really good running back.
Prospects over the last five or so years, Jonathan Taylor's hit,
take one Berkeley as hit Freese Hall hit.
There were other prospects, maybe they weren't as good at
the time. But top, I mean there was the
year that the bishop saying He was the top Dynasty running
back. Obviously, he wasn't on be John,
Robinson's level as a prospect but we've made mistakes further
back into the history. We've had less of Runner
grammarking. Room was a really really highly
regarded Prospect directions and Men, return injuries can happen
like Bijan Robinson could land in a bad spot to especially
pre-draft there's possibilities that he could land in a spot
that just I mean there are tough spots for running back.
I embrace all just show that he you know, you can kind of
Overcome even Zach Wilson at quarterback, if you're good
enough. But I think I would make a case
it like from a, from a long-term Dynasty perspective that CJ,
Stroud, if we really are pretty confident, he's going to go
one-on-one. We know the draft, capital is
100% there. I mean, if you don't fall a
little bit to compared to what we're all thinking, top half of
the first round, potentially for him, right?
But he could be end of the first one.
It could be second round. Still probably right?
I mean there's reasons that his value could not be as strong by
you. Year, 2 and year 3, I think you
can make the case for the likely 101 overall quarterback.
I don't know. I think he's going to do the
most for your team this year and he'll be worth the most of every
rookie in this class, probably next year.
And it's at a position where Like Austin, hecklers going to
fall way off in value. Like redraft value Christian
McCaffrey is going to fall way off and redraft value Sake, One
bark was going to fall way off. So he gives you this really
really rare opportunity. I think with your yeah if you're
competing obviously you take Bijan but I think even if you're
kind of like in the mix because you can just that there's no
other rb1 like he has to be the dynasty RV.
Well because there is no other option and right and his his
Prospect profile is is a beautiful thing.
He's coming along at the right time, but he also is that guy as
a prospect profile. I think if he misses he's like,
Joe Mixon or Leonard, fournette would be like a really bad
outcome intern. But those guys were, like,
pretty productive. And then they just, they never
were Superstars. As my point, like, I think his
downside risk is like still, it's not that bad, but the one
thing, speaking of downside risks, like if you look
historically at startup ATP and and rookie running backs again,
Drafted this high in a start-up draft like first two rounds.
First three rounds. I mean, they generally all
appreciate and value year-over-year.
I mean, it's a very even guys who don't do very.
Well, still are highly sought after that.
I mean, you can make the same argument for high-end wide
receivers to. But when they're these, when
they're this good, from a prospect standpoint, they very
rarely will lose that value year over year.
So there's more of a value store that I'm thinking there is,
that's, that's good. You kind of made this point to
me, with pits been, you got me like, and I was Good point, and
Pitt's appreciated in value after his rookie year, a lot,
you know, even though after then, after the next year, we
were like, oh no. But they will.
That between the rookie in that soft rock Amiga guys going up.
Yeah, you can see a scenario to. I mean we know that quarterback
is like I like shroud to but like we know that quarterback is
a relative crap shoot at times and that like, like people just
get turned off by quarterbacks very, very quickly.
I mean, we're seeing it with, like, Trey Lance right now.
And so, you know, I think Think, I think it's a safe.
The safest bet is bhishan. Yeah, that's right.
And I think the other thing we can talk more about this as we
continue making picks but I mean these guys strout and young are
not even necessarily going to give you a lot of fantasy
production in year 1 since they don't really run the ball a lot,
right? So that's my age.
I think you'd be easy for people to say our on them after a
disappointing year, one, if they're not really passers.
Well, show the ceiling that they can compete with like a Josh
Allen or Jalen hurts and scoring long-term if there's a back-end
qv1 for their whole career. That's not right.
That's not sexy. Yeah.
Well, speaking of sexy, speaking of rushing, you gonna just hang
and dongho for a drone to AR-15 bitches.
Come on down. You guys could talk about your
CJ, Stroud, you want to talk about not having consequences
with a pic. It's in a mock draft, in a
Google sheet in March baby. We're taking And Anthony
Richardson Sky, High ceiling Fest athlete we've seen at the
quarterback position of all time.
Come on, Anthony, Richard said poke holes in my selection.
I'm just glad my 106 is off the board before I'm up at 106.
Wow, I mean, honestly like I don't think anyone should do
this because you should take thee, John Robinson.
But like if you were gonna make the argument, been that you were
making, I think it's with Anthony Richardson because
that's the guy you can't get. That's the guy you're not, you
can't. Not go to Joshua Allen and you
know, or Jalen hurts his owner and say I want him there.
It's very difficult to get those guys in trade.
He at least gives you a tiny tiny sliver of that potential
outcome Stroud. I feel like you're getting I
don't know like maybe attack Prescott or something like it's
just it's actually you can go to the trade market and find that
guy. Ron, where are you at on?
How you would approach the the 23 spot here with these with
these quarterbacks and superflex?
I actually have like I made a little cheat sheet of you know
rankings to the side here. Anthony Richardson was my 102 as
well let's go. I agree to like CJ Stroud and
even pricing. They kind of come off as like to
ish type assets. Like a sort of like Jared Goff
early on They could definitely be good but you kind of they
almost have to realize that ceiling and that value ceiling.
And Dynasty to, you know, get into the first round.
You have to thread such a thin needle, as a pastor with them,
like they have to sort of challenge for like 35 Plus
passing touchdowns to get into that, you know, difference
making quarterback production, with Eddie Richardson, he could
be a League average passer, and I really don't think he's as raw
as sort of everybody says, with Anthony Richardson.
I know the completion percentage isn't great and he kind of comes
off as like, Maybe not Josh, Allen ish but you know one of
these guys who were projects right, like a will love us but I
think the difference is that he doesn't take terrible sacks.
I've been messing around with like EPA lost on the facts
recently and will let his head like, - 23.4 this year, which is
like awful, he's just like taking baths acts and you have a
guy like Anthony Richardson who's running around right like
Justin field. So Coral sacks last year and
we're just it was only at -7.1 which was like less than Bryce
young. So he's not he's not, you know,
messing around in the pocket and like taking Terrible.
Terrible - plays he's poised and natural in the pocket and not
being, you know, frantic and stuff.
So I think that there's a lot of room to grow and I don't think
that he is as low floor of a guy as a pastor as some people
think. I like it Ron, he's my 10 20,
he's your why don't you pack? Yeah, I haven't wanted to the
NFL's, definitely moving. I mean, that was a big storyline
from last year. The mobility of cubies, the ways
of defenses are playing, what's that?
That's allowed offenses to do in the running game in the passing
game, as teams are playing deep. I mean, like his, his Athletics,
everything you just said and then, and then his athleticism,
I think just fits where the NFL is moving right now.
So, well at the quarterback position that I mean, it's it's
not it's not hard to make the case in.
I do think the Anthony Richardson combo and just
because I best ball brain, it is like a little different for
redraft, right where there is some risk.
Like, you know, if the Seahawks take him and sitting behind Gina
like a, then you burn a pic, but obviously Dynasty is an entire
different conversation and does it change your fact for your
opinion on him? If he were to sit here for
dynasty or for you guys? Is it just like, no, I'm playing
the long game here. Anyways.
I think you kind of have to assume that going in with with
Richardson that it's not you know, a front hat.
At least front half of you, any 23 type situation.
You know. I also think you know I talked
to Pat about this a little bit yesterday.
But I also think that like he's like the slam dunk qb1 and
single quarterback leagues you know and very very easy to go
that route because it doesn't matter, right?
Like if you miss on that it's not a big deal.
I can understand though. Like the safety at least like
especially pre-draft, right? Because we still don't know for
sure what's going on with with Richardson and we're he's going
to land and how this is going to go.
We all assume he's probably know the top 10 in the draft.
But like, you know what? If this becomes sort of like a
Malik will this situation like last year where he just Falls
Way Way further than we expect. And then all of a sudden you're
drafting these you know you're drafting him over a Stroud or a
or Bryce young and a superflex league, and you're going to be
punching yourself in the nuts after after doing that.
And so I think that's the the the anti Richardson argument
right now, I think once we officially see these top five,
Ten draft Capital. Then the conversation is going
to really, really heat up because I think we'd all agree
that from a strictly ceiling standpoint.
He's got it in this class about of the big three.
That's a great point. I mean, that's that's part of
why I really do have them six, but it's largely because of that
cancer. I think there's more risk that
he can fold. And then the fantasy Community
is like, I think he's like, he looked by the fact that was seen
as pre, combine mock drafts and I love Road of isyou.
Guys had him in the middle of the second round.
Blair pre-comp. I think what since the combine
we've all gotten really excited and rightfully so, right.
And the NFL is going to get more excited by those compound
numbers. And if you go stop time, like JJ
said, then I think it all comes together, but there is some
concern still that, you know, we're accelerating too fast, I
don't know. All right, let's let's head to
Blair here with the the 13. What are you doing here?
Blair. All right, I'm gonna go off off
my usual blueprint and take Jameer Gibbs here.
Oh, okay, I I don't know if I would have guessed this pic from
you, speak on that. I mean, I think Gibbs if Bijan
weren't in the class, we'd be talking about him as the 101.
He Got those Alvin Kamara Vibes. So I'm here for it.
And I feel like the detractors when they bring up Gibbs, they
talk about his weight. I mean, what are like, what are
some comps or like realistic kind of production outcomes that
you're hoping for with Gibbs? Yeah, that's a good question.
I'm not really worried about his weight.
I think, you know, we've seen small running backs, have a lot
of Of success. I mean you know when I bring up
these comps, they're going to sound ridiculous.
But if we're talking like Eckler and McCaffrey, then you see how
these small guys? And hit, I'm just pulling up
some of his Sims in the Box Score Scout.
Sorry, bad radio, you're good, you're good.
Yeah, I mean I did. Would you guys cuz and it does
start to really get interesting with the superflex combo because
we're talking about Stroud at you.
And now we took another quarterback and Gibbs over him
and I know JJ and Pat. When you guys were talking about
him, the other day, you were talking to how he might be,
someone like DeAndre Swift, where it takes even a little
while until he actually starts to get used in a way that's
really. Doctor for fantasy.
Yeah, I think he's someone who again is going to be able to
probably hold value your over year because we generally see
that with higher end running backs, but I do have concerns.
I personally have concerns about the wait, not because like he
didn't hit a 200-pound threshold or something like that.
And I'm just like, yeah, get out of here.
Not two hundred pounds patent. I joked about how he didn't
drink enough milk that day but you know, I'm definitely not,
you know, in that have that belief.
But, you know, we do generally see, like 210 plus pound backs
just fare better. And fantasy, and if you, if you
adjust that even for, you know, where guys are being selected in
the draft because obviously we don't see a ton of these like
smaller backs, get drafted in round two or as day, two picks.
And so, obviously, you know, there's a that's definitely
consideration need to think about.
But historically, just tough because when you really find,
and I'm curious to see what road of is is saying about the comps
and stuff, because it feels like his comps to get good ones, you
have to go back to like the 2000 to 2010.
Range like to get like the CJ spiller's, the Chris Johnson,
like those kind Reggie Bush like those kinds of players whereas
like in my model that I find comps that are based on 2011 and
onward, it's like Isaiah peed and Giovanni Bernard, you know.
So it's just a little bit tough. I mean, I think there's a little
bit of volatility tooth profile, but I think from a value
standpoint, you should be able to hold value year-over-year,
best receiving back in this class.
Super, super Dynamic. Really, really good player.
I just have those concerns about what has His workload might look
like and then those comps are just you know it's just it's
tough to find those really accurate ones.
That's a good point. I see Isaiah peed is one that
has show up near the top Bernards on this list to going
back, a little farther, you get javeed best which is kind of
interesting. And then, the other guys are all
are all about 15 pounds heavier. So, you know, you get like etn
and, and DeMarco Murray can make, it is those guys are a
little bit bigger, so there is something, there's something a
little bit off there. I mean, the one thing, if a guy
is going to be going to come in under 200 and be really small,
you want him to be super fast which gives was so yeah.
And you want to be receiving back.
Exactly. And there's also something to be
said for the fact that like not a lot of sub 200 pound guys play
at Alabama and getting used like Gibbs got used so it's like he's
not he is kind of a unique guy. I I worry about if you taking
him over the quarterbacks I don't know that he's going to
increase the ton and I think I agree with Jay Jay I think a
hold value but I don't know that he doesn't profile guy as a guy
who as a rookie is gonna get a Workhorse volume like even see
him seat and get Workhorse volume as a rookie and then he
turned into the League's biggest Workhorse.
So that would be my concern with taking them over the,
quarterbacks your point about Henry's was just making me think
it's one of the things about comps, were you guys like about
this in your pot as well? Like, that, it's not an easy
class to comp. I'm a noted kind of hater of
comps in general. I think we were lying them too
much. Like, I feel like every player
is pretty unique. We caught these guys that after
Play your play couple years. It's like yeah.
Well that guy was way different. We now know who that guy is like
he is a different thing than anyone else.
Every every player in the NFL like we never comp veterans who
have played in the NFL with each other.
Very rarely, right. Like I do sometimes
occasionally, there's a couple like smaller courts but from
those parts like Jamar. Chase is Jamar.
Chase, just in Jefferson's Justin Jefferson like all of
these dudes are exactly who they are their own little delicate
flowers. Is I like to like and I think
Gibbs like your point about the Bama undersized back.
They actually used it. Like that seems relevant to me
like he and he was good there. I would also just say Gibbs the
things he does well like if he he does things that dynasty
managers will love right? If he breaks off some 60-yard
touchdown runs like a lava c.j., Spiller comps and he's catching
a few balls, Dynasty manager will be very happy to
extrapolate a workload increase in year two, you know, like
there it is or not That's true. That's actually a really strong
counter to my point of him not increasing in value.
Like he could just increase on in value, purely on height.
Seems he broke out near to what's happening?
I mean, I mean to be buried and it's all right to be fair,
Kenneth Walker kind of did that this past year.
Like yeah, like Walker was not a pass.
Catcher was not that great of a run.
I mean like he had those monster home, run plays, but he was dead
last in the league. In success rate, he was dead.
Last in the league of gaining positive yards and he still
became the dynasty like rb3. Despite, you know, all of that.
I mean he's a good player, don't get me wrong but it's not like
he like was nearly as good as what the the market probably
probably thinks of them. So it's just one of those things
like these run these running backs gain value.
Just generally speaking, you know when they're drafted and
startups in the first like two or three rounds and and also
because of what we just talked about how there's this Gap,
usually at the top of our, not always.
But especially right now, the top running back were like we
don't want the old running back City more.
So, the new ones have to take their place.
They have to be the top three running back.
Yeah. All right.
Ron. You're On the clock with pick
for. We are known to piss yellow
around here. Every once in a while.
Are you going to grab a quarterback?
Yeah, I'm going to take a quarterback.
I'll take, I'll take Bryce young here.
Mmm. Really?
I actually loved Amir Gibbs really the issue for me is like
I think as much as I was sort of saying you know like Jared Goff
and two are kind of like the range of outcomes for these
quarterbacks, I think, as well, like they could also be, you
know, a lot better than that and you know, jobber it, Joe Borough
ish, I guess. But like go in a dinosaur like
right now. And if you try and trade for
like even like the back and keep you ones like the Sean Watson.
Like if you go out there and try and like feel the reasonable
offer for like DeShaun Watson or Prescott Kyler like Lamar
Jackson, like any of these guys, it's almost impossible to even
get into that conversation but now like outside of like Bruce
Hall and Bijan Robinson like if you're going to try and like get
to First in return for your running back, it's going to be a
pretty tough conversation to have so naturally if a
quarterback like Bryce Young like CJ Stroud, they both go,
you know, top to an NFL draft and I guess the way I see it as
they have a path to you know, first round startup value.
Like if you look at startups right now, it's eight to ten
quarterbacks. And it's like, it's Chase
Jefferson, and it's 8 to 10 quarterback.
So I'll just take whatever position, can get me into their
Eileen Bryce tongue. I think.
Like, literally I'll have him back to Mac and my rankings like
my startup rankings. I haven't probably middle.
The second round of startups like back-to-back.
I only lean Bryce Young. I think it's a little bit more
rushing upside than CJ strata things.
A little bit less like statue. So if I have two guys that I
think are very comparable, I'll just take the guy who I think
has a little bit more rushing upside in Bryce.
You only because rushing yards Market shows little bit better I
was looking on PFF, I don't know if I have the stat with me, but
they take out sacks from rushing yards, which is nice because I
like college reference or whatever include sacks.
His rushing, in his final year, wasn't bad at all.
Bryce, showing you had 311 rushing yards and four
touchdowns. I believe.
I wish I had shroud on me too, but I don't but 311 rushing
yards and four touchdowns is like decent, you know?
That's like around, were you're hoping he's obviously not going
to be like, the Lamar Jackson area, but you're hoping that he
can get into the, you know, three fantasy points on per game
on the ground. Like, I think like, Borough,
Trevor Lawrence Mahomes were sort of, in that area this year.
I don't think it'd be crazy to see young slip in that area.
Love it. Does anyone else have young over
Stroud? Or are you guys all Stroud, over
young? I have young over Stroud.
I've got every young, but I don't, I don't have like a
massively strong opinion on it. I just love that it.
Like I was talking about Richardson six in my list but
like this top six really? And it is nice to get the
six-pack because I'm just gonna let you guys decide for me, but
it's really tight, right? Like and so the guy who's - 300
to be the one on One hasn't been taken yet through for pics,
right? Yeah.
And but like you can make a really strong case for these
guys. I wasn't really trying to knock
Richardson when I said that and that's why I keep going back to.
It's like yeah that's where I landed on it but I wanted to
have him second to you know what I mean?
Like they're these are all viable picks in it seems really
flat. This is that for any of you guys
I think conventional wisdom is Stroud to the Panthers.
Young to the Texans. Is that factoring in?
Like you guys prefer Panthers Texans as like a landing spot.
Or is it just like all things are equal here?
They're both pretty awful. If I'm being honest.
Like, like, you could talk me into like the Panthers bring you
in like Reich and the count and like you know, like that seems
like a very functional. These guys are coming here,
they're having their pick of the litter.
Like it's not like you know than just getting planted a
quarterback I got is Luffy Smith even still on the Texans.
I don't even know what like infrastructure they have in
place over there in this Lobby. They got PFF.
Bobby PFF. Oh okay yeah.
Yeah, it's tough. I don't know.
Yeah. So I'll take like I think
they're both pretty pretty terrible spots.
Yeah, I think the Texans is pretty good spot.
I think you're getting Shanahan style offense coming in and like
Bryce young is kind of to e, but he's like to eat with like, more
fun scramble stuff going on and that I have a number two as well
because I agree with you Ron I think he's got a little bit more
willingness to run and you do worry about the size with that
but he scrambled more. He also had some really nice
throws under pressure. And I think that's pretty like a
guy who's looking to scramble and is like hitting deep throws
under pressure is a pretty decent fantasy profile.
Plus he's very, very accurate. Great throw or anyway, so it's
slightly prefer Bryce young plus.
I think the landing spot is like, may be significantly
better because the Panthers are just like Reich.
I don't think is a bad coach, but I don't know that.
They've just like, they've been in the wilderness for so long up
the Texans. Haven't, but if you're getting a
Shanahan style offense there, With a little bit more
analytically minded staff. I'd rather have my quarter back
over there. All right, let's let's go then
to Pat, you do have Pick 5 here. Gretsch said.
Nice top six, tier for him. So who's going to be your pick
at five? I'm going to pick Stroud even
though I just put it on a little bit.
But I think everything Ron said about the the market I would
love to take jsn here just for fun, but like you need him to
hit like his high-end outcome and then like, if he turns into
CD lamb, like cool, but is CD lamb worth more than, you know,
a really solid starter and the other.
The other thing is that at quarterback, I mean, the other
thing is, the, the NFL seems to be shifting a little bit.
We're like, You if you're not as protected as one of these
veterans is, you would have been like 5 or 10 years ago, like the
bottoms falling out on some of the veteran quarterback.
So, to get a guy who's on a rookie quarterback quarterback
deal and looks like, you know, he'll be like a pretty
productive guy then it's just like that safety plus production
combo, that's really hard to find at the most important
position. Checking in on the chat here,
shouldn't it be back to Bachrach guys?
Catch up, watch from the beginning.
We drew straws for one through six and the back half anyone
else have thoughts on CJ stride? He does like feel like the
vanilla pick here but it did you guys see some upside with strap?
I think the upside would be that he runs more than you did in
college. I think we saw that a little bit
with fields to coming out of out, of Ohio State.
So, you know, and he has Sighs profile over over young,
obviously, to potentially, be able to do that.
So I think it's sort of like the unknown of that rushing profile
on him. Really unlocking that unleashing
that in the NFL, maybe doesn't happen, maybe doesn't come to
fruition. It's not going to come to
fruition the way that it did with Justin Fields by any means.
But there could be a little bit more juice there than what he
showed off in college. Yeah.
All right Gretch. You get to do it.
It sounds like you had a tear break here.
Yeah. It's just send for me.
I do want to say for sure these really smart people have
convinced me that he shouldn't be the one on one because the I
mean all those Russian takes our, I mean, a very valid.
But yeah, Jason incredibly good only ran for tear outs last
year. I don't think we should even
talk about that. Really at all.
Rinse, 69, his freshman year. Basically, I mean, we have the
One season where he ran about 400 routes, but it wasn't a
tremendous season mostly looking at all these types of people to
work. The one thing that I like to dig
into a little bit sort of on my own, I'm a sucker for targets
per outrun went and dug up the call short Sprout run stuff.
He was really really good that year, 20 over 28 percent,
Garrett Wilson was 28.9, Jason was 28.1.
Lava was 24.8 tart percent of their routes that they were
targeted on a lot of a Jace. Was the highest a DOT and Wilson
was a higher rate often Jason as well.
He's the lower a.it 9.3 lot fewer like are yards than a lava
even though you know seeing more targets but the fact that in
that offense he was that productive, obviously we know
the the yardage and the TVs and all the stats.
And then I don't know that we're talking enough about what he
could be as a prospect when we see how good his Agility numbers
were and he ran a pretty solid 40 like he is a better athlete
than I expected him to be. He's he actually I didn't think
like I was talking last year and you're watching film on the
show. I was like, he's doesn't look
like he's that good of an athlete.
He's a good athlete, dude. Like he's a really agile music.
99th percentile agility drills receiver.
Yeah. Over at wrote of his looking at
their work out combine you know percentiles earlier today.
Like it's like that good. It's a peek peek peek from what
he's going to To do in the NFL like he's such a high floor guy,
I'm ass. I mean, I play all PPR, I'm a
sucker for a guy like this in people.
He's going to be a really good high for PPR guy.
I don't think like the juju comps are fair because Juju I
mean I think you do was really good and then injuries probably
I don't I don't know like what? I don't know that we know what
Juju is right like Jason's gonna be really good.
Jason's gonna be good. Yeah, yeah.
Does. Does any?
I mean, Jason seems like the slam-dunk pick here.
Would anyone have done anything differently?
No. Yeah, Ron.
What are your thoughts on jsn? Where you at is?
He too slow to be an elite NFL producer?
No, I don't really look at 40 yard dash a ton.
I do love like the fact that he is an elite agile agility
athlete because that's all that really matters for him.
Like if he's running out of the slot with an under 10 yard, a
doll with a 4240, like what do we really care about that?
You know what I mean? But the fact that, you know, in
a telephone booth change of Direction like Witnessing all
that, the fact that he's like amazing at that, it's really
nice to see because it fits his skillset, it's like lockstep
with what he actually does on the field.
Take it for what you want in terms of hands in the dirt.
Like the this I was watching the the combine feed on my computer
when it was happening all the coaches were gushing about him
and like The Gauntlet drills and stuff.
I think that there's honestly a chance that he goes top 10 in
the draft. I know that he's sort of slip
into the you'll see him in the 20s.
It wouldn't shock me. If he goes like nines to the
Bears or you know I think like one of the later spots would be
like 12 to the And so I think you'll get draft a lot earlier
than people think. I agree with Brett Gretsch to
just throwing out your three like his profile is sort of like
I would call it like Jamar Chase light out of the slot where it's
like nothing in you're one crazy your to with like NFL producers
there and then you can just sort of write off your three.
I think if he sort of sat out later March, tasted like he
might be like a lock to go. Like top, five, top ten right
now. If you just said, hey guys, I'm
gonna prepare for the draft. I'm good on playing this year.
So, yeah. He's my wide receiver one as
well. Blair, what would you rather see
from him? Like it?
You know, say top 12 draft Capital like, Ron's talking
about go and have the chance to be the number one, on a team,
like the Bears or the Texans. Or would you rather have him get
a better quarterback in the back half of the draft?
But maybe be more of like a Divan to Smith to an AJ brown
type. Oh good question, I think.
And that's so hard to say because it depends on like the
specific situation. I think, even if he ended up
going in the back half to a team of the good quarterback, he
could still end up taking that number one wide receiver spot.
Yeah, I mean, in the right situation, I think you're
talking about like, Cooper cup upside.
So wow, yeah, that's a good call.
So yeah, at least statistically I love that.
Yeah, yeah. So I don't, I don't think it
would be a problem if he slipped.
Little bit, you know, obviously a lot had to go right for cop to
have sort of Seasons. He did.
So if you see jsn go to the Bears, maybe we're kind of a
little more skeptical about that outcome happening but yeah, I
meant more what I said statistically I didn't mean is
20 plus touchdowns or whatever. I meant more like a DOT and and
the ability to create yak and some big plays even out of the
slot like he did in some of his big Seasons.
JJ, any jsn? Thoughts before we move on?
No, I mean, I think that that the fear with J SN is that he's
just a slock. I like, that's what people would
throw out there as the condo jsn.
But if he's gonna get drafted in the first round, or the top half
of the first round, he's gonna play the perimeter teams are
going to draft in that high and just throw him in the slot.
You know we had talked about guy like CD lamb who played the slot
a lot but can play the perimeter or you look at my like favorite
he didn't he didn't necessarily comp in my model this way but I
think that what we're looking at As someone who is going to
produce similar to like Keenan Allen at the NFL level where,
you know, half of his routes are going to come from from the
slot. Probably he can still play the
perimeter but he's that technician in the middle of the
field I just think he's like a Keenan Allen plus.
I mean I mean key now and was a great Prospect to but he didn't
test the same way. You know I had that injury and
stuff coming out but I think jsn you know has even more upset
than that but I think that's sort of like the way that he's
going to accumulate points Cup, right?
Like cup was course not only for a few years and then started
being like the 100% routes Guy. Yeah.
At some point in playing outside into our receiver sets.
Yep. And Jason was an even in a
different Stratosphere than cup as far as like the agility stuff
too. Like, yeah, I mean, his profile
is pretty sick. We can factor in the production
and the agility stuff and then as 40 was fine to, it wasn't
like that ended up being a knock.
It was basically neutral there. All right.
Pat, you now, I feel like this is more of a
choose-your-own-adventure spot here.
In this physical body. Thing is the Spy you don't.
Be in this, you tried it. If you bang down, Gretchen's
door to trade up then, or you try to trade down, I think,
because I'm going to take will love us.
That's what I would have taken. It's no fun at all.
But look guys, I drafted a lot of Daniel Jones.
I drafted a lot of Jack Wilson. I drafted a lot of Justin
Herbert though. You know, this sometimes works
really well. It's sometimes the total
disaster and sometimes you get the angle ga Jones.
Daniel Jones comps really closely to Levis for me.
Live is has like a pretty big arm.
I guess he doesn't really throw deep.
He's he's like Pretty mobile, he scrambled a little bit.
He takes sacks like horribly. He's even worse than Jones and
taking sacks. So I don't know why is, how is
the play Miss Lady? He's look man.
He's like he's Daniel Joe. But Daniel Jones, you've started
from four years. He signed it.
He they didn't pick up his fifth year option, but then he plays
well, just at the right time he gets a new deal.
Now you can trade off them. Like Daniel Jones has been a
home run pick and no one wanted him and No One's Gonna Want
Levis. And I don't think being of Jones
is very good and I don't think love is very good, but there's
no one left. Daniel Jones went top 10.
There's a possibility of us. Doesn't even go in like the
first round like a wheel. So, okay, that's what I wanted
to ask. Ask you guys like how because
we're now hearing Buzz that he could fall, like, pretty far.
And that would make this a terrible pick.
Where are you guys mind that? Yeah, but the difference though
that when you're picking him here as opposed to, you know,
taking them like, second overall, is the opportunity
cost, right? Like the the other wide
receivers that we would be picking right here, I don't mind
them necessarily but it's not nearly on JS ends level, you
know, you're not getting a junior Gibbs, type type running
back prospects. So like to me I think it's the
right kind of bet to make. You're probably going to feel
better about it though. Post draft, if and when he does
go, you know top 15 or something that you gotta hope that some of
these teams are you know as quarterback hungry and needy as
they appear to be. If the Buccaneers pass on him he
is he's like the next Malik Willis or something.
Like I don't understand how the fuck.
How does he get past? The Buccaneers?
That would be Insanity. Did you see his?
His back picks today though? Did you looks huge?
Yeah, he's looking. He's looking yo shoulder.
And arm was popping like yeah. Or it wasn't.
That big, but he has really weird Empower their shoulders.
What do I need to Google here? Will you gotta see?
This guy looks, looks like a linebacker right now.
I'm not even kidding, like who we talking about Malik was?
All right, I'll pull this what we're talking about.
Yeah, look at that. We can't let me get this guy.
Its 7. Like I mean the the macro point
though about the this stuff is Right.
Pat like work collectively bad at, you know, projecting and
scouting. These quarterbacks people were
famously wrong on Joshua. Allen people were light on
Justin Herbert coming in and that when you do hit on them
they hit in such a big way that you have like a multi-decade
producer at a very important position and even if you don't
like fully hit you like with. With the Daniel Jones scenario,
you often like kind of hit anyway, like I you know, leave
where I took Tim Jones I traded off of them, I end up getting
back picks that turned into Justin Herbert and Trevor
Lawrence. So like like even the hits
aren't hit sometimes there's gonna be a lot of spots to get
off on that train to you know with like quarterbacks.
Like I said, they're dominating the first round of startups.
You can have will level is going to be multiple points with will
let us, you know, maybe he starts a game, he looks like
half-decent and then like if you can cash, Out for like the
cloven of like a second or third round start of value.
So there would be like helium have to show a ton if you can
just sort of get the benefit of the doubt from the market.
This is the show a ton. But he's showing a lot of
someone a lot here that look like this, that like implants,
like, what's going on? Shout out to everybody watching
this other big screen with their family, right?
All right. Pepper will love his grenade.
All right. JJ you Or up with the eighth
pick here. There were muscles there, that I
didn't know existed in the humor with this, with this pic.
I'm gonna go. I'm gonna be somewhat of a homer
and go with Jordan. Addison, my alma mater of pit.
He then transferred to USC, but, you know, got pit that ACC
Championship with Kenny pickets, a beautiful thing.
I think Addison's the safest option at wide receiver to in
this class over like a Quentin Johnston, you know, Johnston,
someone, you know, Get that big 12 profile.
And, you know, I can see the upside and my, the top
comprehend, my models T Higgins. So like he has that size speed
sort of profile perimeter guy, and the physicality, I should
say. But the the issue you know, with
Johnson is that his production profile isn't as like Stellar as
what you're going to get from a Jordan Addison you know Addison
comps a little bit more closely to like a Calvin Ridley.
Type it like a potentially Tyler Lockett type just like the
skinny wide wide out so I can play the perimeter play all over
the field. We had good college production,
so I think Addison's a pretty safe bet, you know, maybe he
won't give you those consistent wide receiver, one seasons, and
be an alpha, but I think he's gonna be a pretty consistent
wide receiver. Toe does JJ sound worried about.
Addison being a twig. JJ, does not sound to me like a
man who's worried right now. No, I mean, look, we've gone
through this before in the past wide receiver size, might have
mattered, you know, early 2010's ish that that that range.
But I haven't found much. Ignore that.
We saw with the Vontae Smith. If you have the production
profile, if you have all of these things going in your
favor, you can sort of knock away and forget about the the
size aspect. I care about sighs.
I running back but wide receiver not nearly as big of a deal to
to I will prove that Jimmy matters at some point.
You can't Jam anymore, the can't get physical anymore.
Offenses are more spread, I mean it makes sense, it all fits
logically. Yeah, the way I see it too if
the if the NFL doesn't care and he goes As first round and they
know, you know, he's 170 whatever pounds and they just
spent a first-round pick on him then it's not really a problem
for me, you know, like if they're going to invest that
draft Capital, especially in the first round, I'm willing to look
past it as well. Tyler did donate a Super Chat
tonight. He was hoping that anytime
someone referenced their own model, that we would strike a
Zoolander. Espo's, I know our guide Duane
McFarland over at fantasy, life has been striking a pose for
him. So, I mean, does the The panel
collectively. I mean, I'll do a lot of things
for 20 dollars in 69, cents you guys all want to give your your
blue steel look here Gretch. All right, fine, I'll do it.
This is for you Tyler. Is that what you wanted?
Tyler, there's plenty more where that came from for every 20
bucks you send over. All right, Jordan, Addison any
other comments on Addison here, obviously, I feel like him
versus Quinton Johnson. Jason has been kind of the
debate and kind of your flavor of wide receiver that you prefer
just because they are such different.
Prospects, is anyone on team? Quinton Johnson over Addison.
I am speak on that. Well, I really like Quinton,
Johnston. He's, you know, it is kind of
the flavor thing I do like the bigger wide receivers.
I also don't love like, I know a lot of people out there like
we've been burned on TC wide receivers with rhaegar.
And you have what like, Josh Toxin and it gets pretty ugly.
I don't really love the helmet. Scout thing that you also can
look through the Big 12. I know we're getting pretty far
back here, but I Dez Bryant was a stud.
Michael Crabtree was a stud you have City Landmark, he's brown.
But I just like, when Johnson to me, I know that there's like
hand-catching issues or body caching issues, Don't really
watch film. So somebody wants to educate me
on like his terrible body catching.
Like go ahead, like I guess that I guess, and I get, you know,
his best season, 60 catches 1067 yards, six touchdowns like isn't
great but the upside is really there man 12.9.
A DOT with like eight point, nine nine yards after catch
perception like he's, you know, above three yards per outrun
like he is a dynamic player at 63 2008, which is really
exciting where he's catching the ball downfield.
He's putting a A ton after the catch on it as well.
So I'm really excited about it. I'll also say like with the raw
stats, he's not going to pop because this TCU offense like
Max Duggan until this year sucked.
Like the passing yards. Three years ago was 1963 passing
yards in the Big 12 at TCU than 2875 before that.
So we didn't have a ton to work with.
He's popped in huge games like had 64 163 and a touchdown
against number two ranked Michigan.
So you're just sort of getting a guy to me who I think can give
you massive, massive Spike weeks and hid in a Big way.
So I'm very interested in Quinton Johnson especially you
know, he'll probably go first round just like Jordan Addison,
so that's exciting. Yeah, Ron you fell right into my
trap of me selecting Quinton Johnson.
Oh my God, not know, my job by yourself with the speak on top
of that. I made you deliver all the
points that I definitely would have said no snow.
But in my model, there's three main production metrics, there's
receptions per game, best season yards per team pass attempt,
which gets the most weight and then touchdown share.
And if you look at, you know, Quinton Johnson didn't hit it,
two and a half best season yard, Team pass attempt.
And he had a receptions per game rate below four and a half of
the first round wide receivers to not get those hit those
thresholds since 2011, Kelvin Benjamin, Cordarrelle Patterson,
and Henry rugs. And then on top of that, if you
look at guys who had a - stat score was just a below-average,
you know, stats core production, score within the model that when
the first round. Those guys are good areas.
Tony Phillip Dorsett and Jalen waddle on top of the three that
I just named. So the only dude, of that group
was waddle, but waddle had a very unique Profile coming out,
obviously had a really good draft Capital, all that kind of
stuff. So there's there's like look, I
get it. Like T Higgins again.
Like I said, top comp for him. But the downside is there like
one of the comps form was Richard perriman and in the
model. So, you know, I think that was
just too far JJ, you just figured
Blair. What's the what's big Roto
business Quinton Johnson, Intake.
Because back in the day back in the Dez, Bryant Demaryius,
Thomas Julio, Jones days IV Quinton Johnson.
This was this is that, dude, that's true.
I think put wrote of his on this jersey, man.
Yeah, that's right. Yeah, Johnson definitely would
have been a big wide receiver hero.
I mean, the one thing that is kind of, that is a red flag that
we've been talking about for a long time.
I wrote a Biz is the lack of touchdown production that I
think matters. I mean, Jay Jay mentioned it,
the touchdown share I think matters more than more than most
people realize. So that's at least one red flag
that I'm looking at that kind of has me a little skeptical about
Johnson But he really does have a really wide range of outcomes.
I think because he did not do well on contested catches.
He has this great leaping ability, his contested catch
rate on deep balls was terrible. He also had a lot of contested
deep targets so it's like, Kenny, even get separation and
he's not good at Contessa cat and he's not getting any
touchdown. So this is like, he's like a
50/50 ball guy who loses, that sounds like a lot of fun, but
then, but then he also does have that yards after catch profile,
which is kind of Yuki. It's like he gets he gets his
Yak deep. He's not a, he's not a guy.
You throw it to underneath and has to like, make guys missing
stuff. He's actually a downfield
receiver, who's then adding after the catch, which is a
pretty high up side profile. So it's like if he's good will
be really good and it's problem that he might be terrible.
Just gonna say, you walk into my phone come in your write-up
form. JJ, was that there was a couple
that those the the misses you mentioned were all the first
round draft Kappa, guys. Theres a couple second round
guys that were like. Positive yeah, yeah, yeah, t
Higgins. DK Metcalf like those kinds of
guys had similar issues type profiles so like, you know, you
don't want to just like create arbitrary thresholds just to
create them and I think it's important, you know, I like to
approach things with more nuanced than that.
So yeah, I think it just plays in the fact that this dude has a
ceiling. It's there, we've seen guys that
have done this in the past but he could also be prashad
perriman, which we obviously don't want the free stuff that
the wide receiver to wide receiver, three feel like they
have a lot more risk this year. And the last few classes,
obviously. Yeah.
Again the comment saying he just needs the Patriots to draft quit
Johnson. So, I know he's bad.
That would be nice confirmation. They're all right, Ron I rubbed.
You so hard on your pick, classic rookie mistake on here.
So, big tear Gap after Quinn, Judd said to, so it's insane.
This guy just seems like, maybe I'll take questions on speak on
that. What is anybody in here?
Got a So it's a bummer. I had to take this guy because
I'm not even a big Zach Starvin a fan.
I know some guys will Cape up for Zach charbonnet.
I'll take Zach charbonnet. I think that this was a point
that like Greta was making a little bit with the whole, like,
should be Jean go 101 or actually, I think it was j.j.
making this point but running backs, like almost don't have to
do a ton to gain value in Dynasty, like we sort of see
them with rose-colored glasses, I go there like 21:22 like they
had One 20-point game and like week 8 of the rookie year.
Like let's make them, you know, a second-round startup act like
they were years out there. If you remember like, Darius
Geist was a 2 3, turn guy carry on.
Johnson was a 2 3 turn guy in startups.
Like you can go down the list. I can't make her side what?
Like a couple of like 20 plus carry games and he was like a I
think like a 23 round turn guide to Miles Sanders.
So I don't love Zach charbonnet but I think he does have to show
a ton and he can really give you a ton of return on and
investment from where you buy him at where you probably get
him. What 110 is probably somewhere
like a seventh or eighth in a start-up.
Like he could pretty easily be like a 345 round guy next year.
If he just like with Kenneth Walker we just saw.
It doesn't have to do Pico second round the NFL draft.
He only has to do so much to you know, give you a prophet.
I felt like I might become somebody who's gonna keep for
this dude when I was doing my initial research just today but
JJ was talking about some of the guys in his stuff that comp to
him. There's a lot of really good
names but the Miss was Charles Sims and that's when I knew I
was in love Charles you got a big dude to catch his passes and
put up numbers, I watch some film on him today and I was
like, yeah I mean he doesn't look explosive.
But if that's the big knock, On him like he's smooth.
He gets to space. Like that.
Yeah. And Chip, Kelly's offense
creates holes, but then like, when he gets he runs to
Daylight, he runs to yardage. It's like Alvin Kamara.
And the open field doesn't look super explosive.
It reminds me a little bit of like going all about to Arian
Foster. Like there are guys like this.
Now he's not quite as big as their in fostering.
He's to 14 and Foster was more like to 24.
I was kind of looking at some of the ways he's the same weight as
Chimera similar athleticism but smaller than you know, Arian
Foster. Stir and I can't remember the
third one. I was thinking of that kind of
fit this sort of more smooth than explosive, but still really
good for Fantasy mold, but maybe was like that wasn't Melvin
Gordon. But anyway, dream hunt comes to
mind. I wasn't the guy but that is a
good one. But yeah, I mean it's like it's
a list of producers. And I'm not saying he's going to
be that good or that type of a superstar.
But if Camaro was a 1/2 turn guy because he didn't have this
great profile, he didn't have the Great A surly Elite
athleticism if you're going to find somebody like that in this
class, it seems like this is like a good guy to bet on for
that type of stuff yet. Blair your model loves, I'm sure
it loves him because it loves the receiving like market share
and right. Is this he fit your you have
like two main cut-offs right? That you love for your best
friend back? Yeah.
I mean we love to see a 10% market share of receiving yards
which he got, he's up at Of percent and then you know, 100
yards per game hundred rushing yards per game is a nice cut
off, that's kind of easy to meet, but the number of backs
that meet both thresholds or not the number, but the back step
meet both thresholds. Often are pretty successful.
So, that's its that, you know, Benjamin probably.
Okay, yeah. So he knows, you knows the
exception of people. This is why we love, you know,
right? I mean, it's similar to, you
know, but it could have some draft Capital here, which can
be, you know, doesn't say if, you know, it was Quieter man.
I think we wouldn't be saying it's about to go off, you know,
I mean, that's 12. I mean we look at the moment
mrs. Like I love him too.
Outside of Bijan, shardenei has the best chance to be like a
true Bell cow, right of the running backs on his class.
Yeah, I mean, if you look at guys and I talked about this, my
Prospect guy, but if you look at guys who are Drafting and run,
this is what Ben was just referencing.
But if you look at guys who were drafted around to in round three
since 2011 that were 210 plus pounds, he's well over 210 and
had its 12th best season reception.
Chair above 12% yet. Le'Veon Bell.
Joe Mixon. Daniel Thomas obviously an elder
DeAndre Swift. Those are the second rounders.
The third rounders are Kareem hunt Alvin Kamara, David
Johnson, Charles Simms, DeMarco Murray, Zach mosque, ishaan, Von
Antonio, Gibson, Rashad white. I mean, it's just like good
running back. I mean, all things considered
like, third round. Do not hit a very high rate at
all. And those are the kinds of
running backs you're looking at, whenever you just look at those
two parameters for charbonnet. So, I think he's a very, very
solid Prospect. David Johnson, was the other
one, I was trying to think of it as a little bit bigger than him,
but runs a little bit more like smooth and like super explosive.
I kind of felt like I was watching that a little like that
type of Runner Foster. David Johnson, that molt I've
become, I become a sucker for the 210 plus pounds backs who
have receiving files. Like if you can just find guys
like that, like that's what partially got me on like Isaiah
checo. Last year was that?
He didn't his receiving profile wasn't amazing but he had decent
decent enough reception share in that horrific Wreckers offense.
And if you can find guys like that, they generally have decent
hit rates. All right.
Blair you are up for the 111 here and I'm quickly.
Realizing this class doesn't seem that great.
Like, my name is the 111 or 112 at a dynasty in this is wiz
superflex tied in premium, but can you sell me on 111 being an
exciting selection here? Oh, I can't, I think there's an
easy pick here. Let's go.
Jalen Hyatt. Okay, I think you could make a
case for him as the wide receiver.
You in this class. Okay, here we go.
I mean talking about yards per team attempt, he's one of only
want to say nine guys, this year, who had more than three is
fourth overall, in yards per route, run this season.
I think he led the league or I love the country in yards per
Target. He also scored touchdowns at a
high rate. He's, you know, for for Speed,
he's He's kind of I mean he's the same size as Addison but ran
faster, although Addison maybe was hurt.
So, yeah, I think there's a lot to like, about high.
It true, early declare 21 years old All right, I know there's
some high it Bears on the panel. What's the the anti Hyatt case?
I've seen people posting screen grabs of him on Twitter being
like the DBS didn't cover him in college.
He was just like running loose for touchdowns.
I mean what's your criticism on Hyatt?
It's that he ran like exclusively out of the slot but
he's like a undersized deep threat and he's probably gonna
have to play on the outside in the NFL.
And that's not what he did in college and we only have the one
season. He He didn't really do anything
until last year. He's a one-hit wonder and he did
it. As a deep threat of a slot.
He's undersized. He is fast 4440, but he doesn't
have a light speed so I'm concerned like that.
I don't think he has like this incredible like physical Elite
athleticism to be able to overcome what I am assuming is
going to be like a pretty raw route running skill set to be on
the outside, given that he just like never did that in college.
College, you never produced that way in college, so that's that's
my concern. Also, he did produce a ton of
his route, a ton of his yards on go routes.
So it's not just where he was lining up with the routes.
It was coming on Johnston. Quinton Johnson also was, it was
a big, go route guy, but at least he was out on the outside
and he's big and he jumps high. So I've just, I just like
concerned that he can actually do what he's going to be asked
to do as a pro. But like, in some ways I like
that, he's falling a little bit in terms of his projected.
Laughs Capital. Because if he were to land with
like the bills, or if you were to land with the Chiefs and
they're like, yeah we're we know, he's not like a prototype,
go outside. Got, we're going to be creative
or we're going to run them out of the slot some and like four
wide receiver sets. I'm back in good, you know,
because he was really productive in that role.
The chat also mentioning Cedric Tillman, who he played with his
that, you know, people saying Tillman out produced him?
Is that actually a feather in his cap that he was playing
alongside a really solid producer.
Well, think the case was that he played well without Tillman, and
when Tillman was active, he didn't play as well.
So I think it's probably a knock on him, not one that I really
factored in, but I've heard it Yeah, until it's not a great
Prospect. He's like a borderline day to
guy fifth-year senior so it's not ideal.
Yeah. JJ.
What's your Hyatt take? Um you know my model like some
probably more than I do mostly because it takes best season
numbers. One of his Comics was Jameson,
Williams mostly because you know, the first two years didn't
really do anything and then this 30 or he blows up, he declares
early. He's Man out, he's gonna be a
first-round pick, but I think he's more of like a diet Jameson
Williams Because Williams, at least has a better excuse, as to
why he didn't produce those first two years because he was
at Ohio, State playing behind three absolute studs at wide
receiver. Whereas, I don't think you just
have nearly the case for a guy like high it.
But, you know, in this within the, the this wide receiver
class. I think that taking height here,
amongst the other wide receivers is fair, because there's there's
Flags to a lot of the other wideouts that are going in this
range. Yep.
All right, Gretch, the 112 here is this as easy of a selection
as jsn was? No.
I think there's two receivers that it would be one or the
other for me. I think at this point, And
because you mentioned, there's no repercussions whatever I'm
just going to take Josh Downs. I think they flowers is probably
the right pick but he's like small and old and I don't know.
I'm a sucker for the slot guys. Like Josh don't like Downs is
also small but and doesn't look like he'll get his go to draft
Capital. Exactly.
Not as small and old as the other guy that's exactly right
and more suited like he's really, really good out of the
slot and that's been the knock on him.
Is that He's only a slot receiver.
But like, all right. I mean like, if you going to be
a really small receiver and be productive at the next level you
number one, he's he is an early declare I think, right?
And Oz. Yeah, yes.
And and and flowers is not, you should be able to earn targets
at a really high rate. And he always did it, start run
really strong so our flowers for the record there.
I mean they're pretty similar but I just kind of feel like
flowers and needs to be able to do it outside a little bit JJ.
A point in your prospect guide in also, on the pot, with Pat,
that flowers only played in the slot, like 33 percent or
something. He's one of these smaller guys
that does play outside a little but I just don't get the vibe
that like, he's going to be good enough to play on the outside at
the NFL level down is going to be asked to do that.
I mean, I guess if you know 112 and a class where I do think it
starts to thin out here, I like the high floor option, I think
he's going to be a productive NFL player as someone slot
receiver. Lee.
I mean, somebody's taking him, that's in a little bit of a
spread offense, but maybe get like some Hunter run from type
Seasons. Out of it, you know?
Yeah, it's top calm. And in the model, I'm doing
that, just to get Pete to continue to pose.
There we go. I needed that do the next one
Pete. If you don't got any Turkish.
Yeah, but he's like, he's like a spitting image of Elijah more.
I mean, he's like the exact same kind of prospect.
That more was. The crazy thing about more was
that, you know, you're one as a rookie, you know, he played on
the perimeter a lot more than we expected.
He was the only player In the slot.
Like it like twenty eight percent of the time or something
like that, I don't know if we see that out of downs, you know.
I don't think he's as good of a prospect as Elijah more was, but
he does have a very, very similar profile.
You know, he's got like that sort of like a wandel Robinson
from last year to, you know, where he can, he can play the
slot and hopefully find a team that just targets that area of
the field at a really high rate. Gretch.
I think I could if we want to do you can have both of them.
I think we could do like a rapid-fire second round here and
you can you can double tap your two small old guys.
Are we snake? Drop the minute?
I think we can stake draft it back.
All right, you can take I mean I don't really want you to take
another small old have a little then, take a tight end.
You can do whatever you want man.
I will take I'll take the flowers.
I don't have any good. I want to go with the most
expired on you, dude. Yeah I just I just Auto draft
flowers. Does anyone have any other
thoughts on Hans a All right, one thing I like about say is
that he was getting more of his yards downfield than Josh downs,
and that's another reason. In addition to him playing
outside more, I like him more than Downs, my model Likes down
Smore. My my gut, my intuition, like
say flowers more, just because I think they, his archetypes of
bit better, he's going to be like an outside guy when he's to
be, he's basically kind of like that discount jsn type thing
where he's going to play on the outside enough, like Tyler
Lockett e or something play on the outside a lot.
Probably playing the slot some but he showed inability to wind
down field and not just in the intermediate area.
But he actually won deep down field as well in college and
downs was like much more of kind of guy.
Gadgety in terms of his usage. So that and that actually really
does concern me because it caps the ceiling.
If he's going to be an underneath slot receiver.
So the bus huh? By the way, the I want even if I
was the one thing that I don't think that has been that I
brought up or talk to anyone about.
I'm curious to hear thoughts but Downs has numbers two years ago
were better than what he saw last year after he lost him how
right like that. That's that's the thing.
Like is that a thing that people have been talking about it all
or like concerned about it all? Because it just seems like that
could be An issue, like, you know, yards per outrun as a
metric for instance, or even yards per team pass attempt.
It can still be influenced to some degree by quarterback play.
Like, it's not completely agnostic to what's going on
around them. And so I do think that there's
some concern that like, he looks so good.
Analytically, you know, is this best season 3, .5 2 yards per
team pass attempt rate. But that was also in a season
where he had way way better quarterback plays.
So that's at least something to think about, because it did drop
a good bit this past year. Well, the issue is the
quarterback. He has now is actually really
good to drink. Yeah.
Yeah, brother of Luke my anybody out there, March Madness fans.
Yeah, but he's, yeah, it's a pretty cool connect like I'm a
sucker for those. I don't know why some might,
they're from my area actually very 10, 15 years older than and
then probably, like, I would say five to ten but yes, I don't
make it this incredible historic shot and then went to like an 8
a.m. class than that. Yeah.
Hero. The great.
Yeah, I think you could say like he's had good quarterback, play
the entire time, right? So he hasn't had like the max
Duggan Sub 2000 passing yards season.
Like he hasn't really, I mean like it's hard to use it as a
knock against them in terms of like hasn't hit adversity.
But there's definitely some, there's definitely some benefits
to that I guess, I guess I guess I should say like like with a
quarterback change. When you see such drastic
differences, there could be Tendencies from that quarterback
that led to some of those numbers.
And that's that's where R, like maybe a slight red flag.
Would come into play for Downs. I was thinking of Shan Mei.
You guys remember, Sean? All right.
Blair, you're back on the clock here with the 22.
Hmm. Okay, guess we'll go, Marvin
Mims here. Yeah, I like it.
This is, I think my most drafted guy in the Big Board contest,
select him at the end of Base. Every draft, tell me why I was
right. Yeah, he's a productive player
out of Oklahoma for 3840. He's a little bit bigger than
Hyatt and Addison. So like to see that not that
much bigger. But yeah, he's only, I don't
think he's only 20 still true early to Claire so he's got the
age, he's got the speed, he's got the production.
Is he getting a draft Capital? Yeah, I have seen him slipping a
little. I think he'll still be in the
third round. But That's the only reason I
would take like flowers over because Mom seems to have a way
cooler profile. Yeah, right?
Yeah. First round flowers verse
fourth, round. Mims could be there all over
again. Yeah, she's all right.
Ron, your back up here. Whoops for.
Hang on Pete. Let's double-check that you're
not up over on is up. Okay.
Yeah. Rod.
You want I need to speak on who you doing here.
Um, so we're taking pretty we're taking pretty big leaps of Faith
here as creators on this platform just cause we don't
have draft Capital so you know I we could look like an idiot.
The Anthony Richardson pick if he goes like second round
someone that I'm willing to be very wrong with like this could
be dramatic Jefferson all over again but I'll take Sean Tucker
here. He could go day 3 and that would
be you know, really ugly. Lee, it really depends with Sean
Tucker. He's like there there are two
versions of Sean Tucker's profile where he's either the
guy who didn't test or he's the guy who self-reported a fourth
three and jump like 41 inches like with some guy verifying it,
I guess. But I do like Sean Tucker, he
caught passes. He's fast.
He's 207 pounds so he's not too too small.
Like I said, this is a ugly comp for him, but I kind of like the
comp of like Duke Johnson, he catches passes, he's bigger.
You know, it's really just comes down to what Sean Tucker is a
team going to see him and they're going to make him Duke
Johnson or Giovani Bernard where he just catches passes and, you
know, it's a satellite back or if they used him as you know a
dual threat type running back, you know like a Kareem hunt
catching passes out of the backfield, running the ball
being explosive but his numbers in terms of the spreadsheet
stuff like he looks. It's just a matter of do teams,
you know, trust is like self-reported.
Like little video. He put on Twitter and does that
get him drafted on day two? Because if it doesn't, and he
goes day 3, then that probably bumps him down to like a 23.
Turn guy for me. All right.
Any other thoughts on Sean. Tucker from got the best Twitter
game in this class. Let's see, who's gonna check out
his Twitter feed. It's unbelievable.
There's like Recaps, right after game.
Yeah, he like recap is, he's like, I had a pretty good game
today and then he like talks about like how he performs.
It's unbelievable. Amazing.
He like 100 yards on Boston College.
She's like, yeah, he's got this. Like hashtag pleased with with
the number 34 in it, like his college number and stuff.
It's pretty incredible JJ. You need to start doing that
after everything. A late round pot,
like, how you would probably like, like, what if you
collected, like, baseball cards or something growing up the way
that you would like talk about like the stats on the back and
stuff like that. Like that's how he portrays
himself on Twitter's incredible Saturday we would Syracuse, 32
BC 23. I'm pleased with the outcome of
the game and another fourth-quarter comeback.
I'm This is my performance. I rushed 20 arrests for 21
carries hundred twenty-five yards and two TDS.
One reception for 4 yards. Thanks to all the keys fans, who
supported us throughout the season.
Please let me see what spring. Not please.
Oh I think that. What you meant about the pleased
with the 34 tackling like yeah, I'm not pleased with my
performance or the outcome of the game office.
That's fine. Am I in my guide, the the first
sentence for the Sean Tucker profile is I'm pleased to
announce that the Z profit. It makes sense.
He went to school with such a great journalism program to, I
mean he's really attacking every caps, every Stat, one reception
for 4 yards made it into his suite, so good.
All right. Some of you guys did happen to
forget that this contest is tight in premium, Michael Mayer,
AKA baby Gronk, aka the top tight end off Off the board
who's gotten lost in the sea of Darnell Washington, pushing a
sled. I mean this guy can still go top
15, right? I think so.
Yeah. What's what, why are we, why are
we letting Michael Mayer slip to pick 16?
He probably doesn't No, it's a good picture.
S, very good picking around like you.
Yeah. Anyone want to speak on how much
I'm crushing? This mock draft.
This is a good. This is good.
No, Kevin. I actually was worried tonight
coming into this that there's going to be last time I did this
spreadsheet stuff. There was a lot of chur, purrs,
you know, backseat, Google sheet drivers, all the like, and you
guys have really kept it in check tonight, and welcome.
Can, I can I say something now that we're on the topic, so
every single, every single Engel pick, Pete has been dragging to
make the the column big and I know the person's name.
You can double click the column. You just go top and dug up
double click where you're dragging.
A lot of, it'll just automate it like that.
You then you know where you Dragged In from?
Oh my God. If you were there before, have
you forgotten where? Yeah, double click that you can
actually do that for every column all at once.
If you highlight them all that, while Blair, I wanted to start
that. Just like typically, when the
first time goes, we get it all caps tight end.
But you know what? It's like, it's hard to host the
show, you know, administer, the draft board and just run laps
around you guys with my selection.
So just cut me a little slack JJ.
You are back on the clock for pick 17.
Yeah. I feel like there's kind of, you
know, I really like Sean Tucker, you know, if I were to go
running back here, I would hope that he would be there.
There's just so many running backs right now at this point
where we don't know draft Capital so I'd rather not go
that route and the wide receivers kind of suck and I
could maybe make an argument for a tight end but I'm going to go
ahead and hook her here. I'm going to go with the
quarterback you know he's got the mobile upside.
We love the rushing upside. You know we this is really just
a situation where I like to throw darts in the second round
at quarterback and hope that they have the starting gig the
second year of their career and then you just trade them away or
in this case the as the rushing up said that we look for like
what we saw out of like a Jalen hurts and maybe something come
of it. So that's the direction.
I'm going there. I like it.
All right, oops, this is for JJ's column.
All right, Pat you are on the clock with pic18.
I have a feeling I'm going to have to adjust your column.
After this, I'm gonna go with a guy was terrified.
JJ was going to pick the guy we hiked yesterday.
Is he abandoned Ganda? There we go.
Can't Wow, I could have gone back back pit there man.
I really screwed that up. I was sure you were going to
take him. I was sure because he's
officially the most athletic running back in this class.
Now, rast out footballs got him as the top guy in the class with
his wrath score. I think he jumped up into day
two with the performance. You just put in at his pro day
and my issue with this class is like there's not a lot of
clarity on the guys who are going to be going past this
Charbonnet. Well, I think now we have a
little bit of clarity that he's not going to be falling like
super late and he's got a really nice profile overall.
He was like if you watch him he gets up to speed quickly.
He's clearly very fast as we saw today.
He looks like kind of Rahim most sturdy.
He's like a one cut Runner. I think him Landing in like a
spot like Miami or something. He could take that back field
over he also has enough receiving juice he's charbonnet
ask that way. He had Point 99 yards per out,
Ron Over his career, that's actually slightly better than
charbonnet in a Range where you see guys kind of go one way or
the other is receivers, sometimes they'll won't do much
other times. They'll be like three down back
so it's like, I think a pretty high up side profile, given how
athletic he is, and now draft capital on the rise.
I like it Gretch. You are up here.
Pick 19. Wrapping back in the second
round. I'm trying to watch tank.
Bigsby highlights right now. I'm gonna take take Bigsby, I
didn't either gave you that some good years, 10 seconds, his name
and wait. He's no.
So I did have some kind of high on my list and I was looking
through all of the smarter people than me that are on the
show's work earlier, because did catch some passes, right?
And he's bigger, like a lot of the other backs that are going
Even a change AJ, you made some really strong cases against him
just based on weight and I agree with them that like you're
probably not like what are you? What are you getting?
If you're right there. I don't, I don't love that.
Bigsby's a 210-pound back. He's got bigger backs into
statistical profile and Jim, I think he made a case that his
best season reception chair was was pretty strong and put them
in a good group that like all right leg back, sit, catch
passes, Charles Sims model. I mean, Charles tips.
I was comfortable Zone under chart.
We have, we have to Charles Sims comps on my roster.
Let's go. I should have taken him.
Honestly, I didn't I just wanted to get cute with the quarterback
but he, he like, he profiles really strongly to DeMarco
Murray and the in the old model there.
So I do like me some, some tank big be.
All right, Pat, you are back on the clock.
Oh man, the chat says you're just having it.
Disastrous draft, Nick Young, hee check fives from Pat on this
trap. Turning around sibling the
three. While it bricks.
You got to win the people's back over with this little.
Like come on. I got Duke.
It's a super Flex draft that I have two quarterbacks.
I can't be that bad. Yeah, it's a highlight.
What are they? What's the saying going in the
NFL. If you have two quarterbacks,
you don't have one. I think that's a pretty right
now, Pat. All right, let's go.
All right, let me just check the old rankings.
Here will let us go get some time in premium points.
Possibly I'm gonna go with. I don't like this pic because
it's not that fun. But I'm gonna go with Devin a
chain. He's, let's go.
He's probably going to be a second round pick.
Just give me a second round pick and he's like, yeah, he's really
tiny. He's like 188 Pounds, but he is
fast, and he was very productive and he's a guy.
Like when I tried to find comps, I basically couldn't find any.
He doesn't complete like anybody, but I think maybe
that's good. You know?
Because he's 188 Pounds and we're trying to have him do
something that basically, no one else did.
He'll be as good as competent Charles Sims.
It's not as good as Compass. Charles Sims.
But you know he doesn't he's not, he doesn't look very much
like the many other small running backs who've done
nothing in the NFL. So that's good.
You know. But it isn't good.
That he's so small. So I'm guess I feel like I'm
getting the discount at this point and I'll take it.
All right. I'll allow it Ron, your backup.
You have you selected to running?
Acts with the franchise on the back half of the board you took
Bryce young with this franchise. What do you got on tap?
Oh, let me get, let me get Darnell Washington.
Oh yeah, yeah yeah, go for it. But I've been wanting to talk
about Darnell Washington, like I can just gush about Dinah
Washington. He's massive.
He's like what? Like 66 like 265 pounds.
He could play tackle if you wanted to, and I guess.
That's kind of the drawback, right?
Like people think, okay he's going to do a lot of run
blocking and for sure that is a concern that he could do a lot
of run blocking but there's a lot of upside to like he was on
Georgia, they ran the ball a lot.
They would just beat the crap out of everybody.
Like it's not like they needed Darnell watching the go out
there make a play he has very natural hands.
He like how like a one-handed grab at the combine.
Yeah I think he did like some other cool stuff at the pro day.
He has hands and like we see some guys come in where they are
run blockers. Like, I think I had a stat.
George Kettle blocked like he only was out like in 60% of the
routes like his final year at Iowa.
Another that's like a very like, obscure comp, but like, no
offense was there and they use them as a run, blocker, and he
kind of, yes, he was a run Blocker in the NFL, but you can
still be an elite fantasy tight end will also be an elite run
blocker, like, he'll just be asked to be out there more
often. Of course, we want him to run
routes, but I don't think I don't think it's as much of an
indictment on him as others might think.
And the big thing that I love with Dinah Washington is that
his death This is actually shows up like kiseki ran and killed
the combine. His yards per reception called
was eleven point five which is like nothing.
Donna, Washington's yards per reception, curry rice
perception, 17.2, which is like Gronk was 16 Andrews was 15.8
and you have a lot of guys in this class who aren't big play
guy is like mayor's mayor's was 11.7.
So, you have a guy who's actually realizing that crazy
relative Athletic score, with massive plays, I think that he
can develop as a pass. Catcher to the point where he
would be valuable in fantasy. I actually like mayor my first
pick as well, but I felt like there's four tight ends up
having like the same tier in this draft class.
So, I'm fine. Just waiting on tight end to
like this two, three, turn area. Roll the clip.
This guy you guys are going to like him.
This dude is massive. Oh, shit.
This dude is fucking bad. Every successful person has to
do including you every successful person in this world.
As jumped. Electric pepper on that clip to
I didn't know you even knew we had that cliff and you just kind
of organically. We're all very high.
We do in fact have a dart at Washington clip around here.
Blair, you're on the clock for big 22.
All right. Gotta avoid getting sniped on a
tight end so I'll take Dalton Kincaid.
Wow. Okay, let's go.
I figured you'd have like three more receivers to mix in here
with you have big hands. And Well, Kincaid is like ten
and a quarter, right? Okay.
So it's answer. Yeah, I knew that.
Yeah. That's, that's definitely right.
Yeah. Anything to say about Kincaid?
I feel like he's kind of the Forgotten tied in right now just
because he didn't run and do anything at the combine.
How are you feeling about his draft Capital?
Mina, the people are still talking about him in the first
round, right? So Yeah.
He's basically as productive as mayor and arguably had a better
combine than Mary even though he didn't run.
Yeah, it does anyone else have like?
Because it doesn't seem like there's really a consensus right
now, for how people are sorting the tight ends.
Because I even I think I saw a company Amico and his Mock Draft
today. I'd like to our know,
Washington, going top 15 to the Packers.
It just seems like everyone's all over the board.
Does anyone have like strong takes on on how to rank these
guys? Now it's just a it's just a
great class. I mean there's there's guys I
finally started like working with.
I'm going to say it again, a tight end model this offseason
and this class has more 80th percentile or above players by
far than any other classes 2015. I mean, it's crazy how deep it
is. I mean you can get to like a Sam
laporta a craft or a Zach cunts. I mean there's just there are
really really good tight ends everywhere, which is, you know,
No, you can get these guys in the second round inside and
premium. That's fine.
But I think in a normal League, you know, normal Tenley, you can
wait till the 3rd and get very, very good talent and not have to
worry about, you know, using one of those pics on and having that
opportunity cost of not getting a running back or wide receiver
and I think the important thing to note with the Titans 2 is you
probably saw. Like I also my model is well I
was working with tight ends and you'll see, like, do the the
best tight end prospects ever. In your model are bad.
Like, Noah fan should have been great like as much as much as
Michael Mayer is good and he looks amazing to me, they're all
in this huge tear. So instead of like I know
mayor's the consensus like, he's like a back-end first round.
I'd rather just wait, like we really don't know.
Hawkinson was like, if you look at top 10, draft picks like,
it's like it's Hawkinson, it's Eric Ebron.
On like it, like, looking through tight end prospects.
Like, I was about to say, like it almost made me question.
Like, I hope it's like there's no sure things at tight end man.
Like if there was OJ, Howard would be sick.
Like it's it's insane. How it's a crapshoot.
Like all of the elite side ends right now to everybody that has
those great Seasons. It's what like kid'll.
Kelsey. None of these guys are drafted
in the first round to earn wall or like all of these guys are
outside the first round. So I'm not saying that mayor
can't be the best item in this class.
I'm just saying, it's not. His obvious with tight ends I
guess. All right, man.
I get it. I snipe you and Quinn Johnson.
All right, man. You stole my thunder because
both of you guys. I think I'm just gonna keep this
tight end train going, man. I'm keeping it going.
I mean Sam laporta. Come on down, I've seen the r as
charts. I mean, this guy torched
everything he seems like just as good of a candidate is any of
these guys to, to emerge as the top tied in the class.
Anyone want to speak on what a great Like, I like it a lot.
He's not going to get the draft capital and, you know, he's
going later and like so kind of playing like the market game.
You should probably wait until these first three tight ends are
off the board, but he's really strong after catch producer and
at tight end, I think you're just looking for guys who have,
like, receiving skills of some kind so that like, I really like
dolls it's last year because he had the ability to wind down.
Field and laporta doesn't do that so much but he wins after
the catch and so I'm kind of excited about him emerging
probably more from he could be more of a like a third-round
pick and he might have to like earn his way a little bit more
but I think he's a pretty strong bet.
All right. JJ you get too close this out
ship chasings Dynasty mock draft mr.
Irrelevant hopefully we'll go on to have a brock / DS career in
this hypothetical landscape. Yeah, I mean I'm gonna get weird
with it because it's the last pick, right?
I got to get a little weird with it.
I'm gonna go with my favorite sleeper at wide receiver this
year, and that is one Jaden read.
He's climbing up mock draft boards, a little bit.
I think he could be a day to pick at this point, but he has a
really interesting profile started at Western Michigan.
And when he was at Western Michigan as a freshman, he
outproduced dies courage when he was at Mindy's fridge, was 45
years old as a junior, but he out produce dies.
Courage and then he transfers the Michigan State.
When he transferred to Michigan State's Sky, more entered the
picture at Western Michigan. And if you look at sky Moore's
freshman season versus Jaden reads freshman season read
actually outperformed Sky, more in yards per team pass attempt
and then he went on to Michigan. State had a good production
profile there for the most part. You know, he got some work in on
the ground as a punt and kick returner and and then I looked
at my model once again and I looked at some comps and one of
his top, three comps was on digs.
And so, I always look very into Jaden read.
So he's been my go-to sleeper, wide receiver.
You don't have to take them here at this point.
It's like fourth round or if that and mock drafts in the
fantasy world, but I think he's gonna rise quite a bit over the
next month digit. There's a lot of respect being
shown here because I don't know if you know the rules around
here but people have been booted off The Show for less than what
you just said about this guy. More Pete people will go bear a
little bit. I thought I didn't respect here
this guy more. Do you guys remember?
I'm the one anytime we're on a draft now you guys want to
drive? Sky more and I know you're out.
He's in here. I'm yeah.
So I was on he immediately capitulated on Sky more.
He no longer thinks he is just like his fucking name for a
wider series ever. Heard.
We'll look, first the wax poetic about JJ Taylor.
I'll play That fucking clip so fast.
It'll make your head. No, no, no, this is, this is a,
this is a third, time's a charm situation for Western Michigan
wide receivers going around. Watch it, watch it, work out
well. And I believe when reebs came
on, he gave a little love to Jaden read.
He also said that, he predicts that Sean over at Road of is, is
Gonna Love read Blair. Any inside information has shown
whispered anything in your ear about Jaden read, I haven't
heard anything about Jaden read. I'm looking at Sean's rankings
now actually and I don't even see his name in the top 50.
So maybe maybe they're not. Maybe these aren't the real
rankings. Maybe he's got a secret set to
be fair. Like like I said, read read in
these mocks is like not even going and taught like in the top
four rounds. I just had to have a little fun
with the last pick and you know, pour some out for Sky more all
while doing it now. We we appreciate that.
For the audio. Lister's, I'm going to recap
this this draft real quick for you Bijan Robinson, AR-15
bitches. Jameer Gibbs, Bryce, young CJ.
Stroud jsn will Levis. Jordan, Addison Quinton Johnson,
Zach, Chardonnay, Jalen Hyatt. Josh towns a flowers Parvin,
man, Sean Tucker, Michael Mayer Hendon.
Hooker, is he a bundle? What tank, a change are no
Washington. Dalton, Kincaid Sam, laporta
Jaden read fellas. We did it.
A two-round dynasty superflex tied in premium mock draft, Ron,
it was Chopping it up with you man.
It's been way too long and everybody needs to check out
your YouTube channel. What kind of stuff do you got
going on over there? These days.
Oh, thanks for having me on channel, just chopping it up
rookie stuff. Ron Stewart, the channel.
So you can just type in run Stewart and I'll show up finally
at the spot. Now we're Rod Stewart doesn't
show up and just plug the search results.
But yeah, we're just talking rookie stuff.
We'll see if we can go back to back on getting Most accurate
mock draft. I'm sure I'll get a, I'll get
bumped. It was a three-way tie.
So I barely won last year. But yeah, so that's what I have
going on there. I'll say, thanks for having me
on like this is pretty cool. Like, I'm 21.
I grew up like listening to JJ's podcast and I reference all of
you guys work all the time. So really cool to be here.
Thanks for having me on for sure.
And Ron, like he said, has an awesome YouTube channel.
I have that, I have it tagged down below.
So if you're in the show description, you can just click
Ron's name. It'll take you right over there.
I just searched for you on YouTube and I got Rod Stewart.
No, why should I change my name? He's the one who sucks back to
square one. Blair, what do you guys got
going on over at row tab? Is I was scoping out.
You got Volume 2 of the draft guide.
What else are you working on? Yeah.
Volume 2 of the draft guide is out.
We got a lot of rookie content coming up over the next month.
So watch out for that. I know, Dave cabin published his
Away rush scores today. This morning that came out and I
also have backfield Dominator ratings up on the site today.
So definitely some good stuff to get you going with running back
evaluation today. And we'll have a lot more coming
up over the next few weeks. Love it.
JJ, what's going on over at late-round QB?
Of course, we have the we got the draft guide, the prospect
God, what else? Yeah, Prospect guide.
I got my podcast lay around fantasy.
Football podcast but the draft guys but you know or sorry the
prospect guides been. The thing that that is sort of
been my baby over the last like couple months.
You can check that all that out over on late-round.com awesome.
We'll get that link down below as well Gretch anything in your
neck of the woods right now. I had jury duty this week but I
got off went home right away. Monday didn't have to go back to
Zen and Wednesday. Well, I got a call after this I
find out if I have to go tomorrow.
So yeah, wow, thats cheap digital process 101.
All right, Pat legendary upside cranking out pods article.
Yes. What's on tap?
Just launched the podcast today with the episode with j.j.
You're talking about earlier. So check that out wherever you
listen to podcasts and yeah, legendary upside.com, still run
a 30-day trial. And if you sign up for the
yearly version of that, I'll also add thirty dollars off your
first year. So go sign up, risk-free,
there's lots of good content on their rookie stuff, best ball
stuff. Rookie rankings that I just
updated right before this show so they're very very fresh.
Awesome. Same model.
One more time model. Model model model, lots of
models. I feel Model Envy right now.
I believe I'm the only person on the panel without a model.
I will be doing a best possible tomorrow on the Fantasy Life.
Youtubed with Dwayne McFarland, we're going to hop in a draft.
I believe he has a little bored draft as the big board as
Donovan. Points out only 250 in trees
left in that contest, absolutely insane.
That a contest that was the same size as the first best Ball
Mania is about, to fill weeks before, the NFL draft for the of
March before the end of March. Like that easily, not even
close. It wasn't even close.
I appreciate all of you guys in the chat.
Thank you for not, you know, Monday morning quarterbacking,
my Google sheet skills. You can always join us in the
ship chasing Discord. If you guys become you to
members, I also did a VIP stream for YouTube members on Friday
night. Just me and Liam we went two
hours, talking best ball, bunch of fun stuff and there's good,
there's a good stream. Thank you.
Yeah. So if you guys are you to
members, you can find that under the membership tab but It was
great, chopping it up with Ron Blair and JJ will see what we
have in store for you guys. Next week, have a great week,
good luck, and all your mock drafts out there.
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