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Peter Yeah, I if you guys want in, I'm in the next 4 war rooms.
You can watch me flounder around there in the slow drafts.
Why I didn't say pulled one back after, you know, making this
announcement, if only had one more bullet.
Pete Kelly, Stauffer, Colorado State, 6th overall in the 87
draft. Quarterback, your quarterbacks,
Colorado State there's not a lot.
Stauffer, Moses. Moreno.
Bradley, Danny. Bradley Van Pelt, Stauffer,
Saint Louis Cardinals. I know that was a thing.
Didn't sign. Played a little bit for Seattle,
but that's about the best you can do there.
It's not your team, but it's your state, so.
Yeah, for people who don't know, Mike's referencing, at the end
of my basketball breakfast, I took Tori Horton and it was
revealed to me that he was a Colorado State alum.
And so then I had to go through the history of Story, Colorado
State of Love, which basically boils down to Trey McBride and
Michael. Gallup No, there was a guy.
There was a guy before Gallup, too.
Who? All right, now I gotta go.
Well, Rashad Higgins was the other one.
That's that's who it was. Who was he was like good, you
won the Belitnikov and. I I was gonna say that I by
good, I met good in a Rhodovisian sense where
theoretically he was good and could have been good, but then
chose not to be good in the NFL. See I'm trying to really fill in
for Pat by like reminiscing and naming just random guys from
yesteryear so. I Ole BC Johnson Ole BC Johnson
famously, famously started over Justin Jefferson in the first
two games of Justin Jefferson's career.
I'll give you a fairly obscure name from yesteryear we can talk
about. Amari Cooper didn't go to
Colorado State. But Pete, you were just saying
like his ADP is wild. You mean way too high.
Well, yeah, I mean, I passed on him like 20 picks past ADP.
It's just like Amari Cooper was like losing snaps to back haul.
It's like in the playoffs and I I got to draft him for Week 17
and 20. 20 He did. He did.
He did get a target on the highest leverage snap of the
Buffalo Bills season, though. Third.
And 10. Famously, famously did did get
targeted on 3rd and 10? This is what?
You think is? A streamer I know, Davis has
uttered these same words, and I will utter it.
If Amari Cooper is what beats me in 2025, that's so be it.
Sometimes you gotta just tip your cap.
You cannot, you actually cannot, cover every multiverse of the
National Football League in 150 big board drafts.
You have to. You have to make some tough
choices. Amari Cooper, who a year younger
crushed us in 2023-2024, he goes to Josh Allen's team and leaves
Joe Flacco's team and we get buried.
And that play was a pass behind the line of scrimmage because
that's all the Bills could do by the end of the season is throw
the ball sideways. Weird.
So what? What is your actual like boots
on the ground, bills under the microscope take on Amari Cooper?
Like would you, would you take him in a draft?
No, not to play for the Bills, but I think there is, I think
there is some chance of that. Talking to Mike Giannitti of
Spot Track last week on WGR, he's like, look, Nope, the the
wide receiver free agent class is bad.
I mean, it's very dusty. So what happens?
But teams have needs they want, they want receivers.
And you have Cooper and Diggs and Hopkins and Brandon Cooks
and Mike Williams and so on. So he he said to me, I don't
know if he was, it was a throwaway line, but he said
15,000,000 a year for Cooper. Oh my God, I'll take the under
if I, if there's, if there is a, if there is a market on that or,
or the team that does it is going to be like the like I, you
know what, maybe the Raiders would give him $15 million a
year. Just just come full circle.
Yeah, bring it back home. Just bring it all the way back
around, you know, go back to our, our, our, our glory days.
Was he other Gruden ever? No.
No, he looked like they have this.
There was this wrist injury that the bill cited.
You know, he could have had surgery.
Well, what's that? You could always have surgery.
But he didn't. Yeah.
And he just, they didn't ever get him off down the field.
Like it just did not happen. So there's some thinking here
that they would want him back because they made the trade for
him and they think they thought they needed somebody, but I
don't know. It didn't work.
So I'd once. I'd rather see them.
Do you know something else? But he probably plays in the
league. Yeah, he'll play like Allen
Robinson. Still technically plays Allen
Robinson. You know, famously number one
overall wide receiver scoring in 2016, the Bortles year, still
technically a player in the league.
So what are you guys doing anything?
And so I just had a, a Josh Allen team that I drafted.
I missed out on Shakira, I drafted Keon Coleman and then I
I did take Ray Davis, but like, are there any other pass
catchers that you're taking late for the build?
Kincaid dude. Kincaid is is like the is a 12th
round pick. He was 7th amongst tight ends in
targets per outrun. You bet Streamy with Liam too
much. How do you make?
Up, Kincaid pilled it. It's because this is always what
people do. People are always too emotional.
The thing they they just most recently saw, and they just saw
him cost his team a game. And so they're like, that guy
stinks. Could you could you argue that
people were too unemotional with Kyle Pitts's ADP?
Yes, yes you could. I'd argue there may be still
being a little bit not. Emotional.
That would have been a good one to be pretty emotional about.
Fair. Very fair.
The Bills always think about like, what's the team's
incentive? It's early in the offseason.
There's probably will be to get that right with Kincaid.
They think he's talented. Season high for the year. 53
yards, 2 touchdowns. Totally as 5 touchdowns in 34
career games, including playoffs.
Their incentive with him will be to use him as cost controlled
labor and then not pick up his fifth year option.
Well, they're not going to lead the draft at pick 30 with
another pass catcher because they just did that two years in
a row and kind of ended up nowhere with Kincaid and then
Keon Coleman. So I mean, it's not going to be
Amari Cooper who's going to be like, this is somebody else
there. Kincaid's on the field,
Coleman's on the field. I think Mac Hollins comes back.
But Samuel, I would like Samuel for you in their dress.
Samuel. He's under contract, they're not
getting rid of him. And you know, he, you know, what
do you believe? Like he got hurt in August and
was maybe never right, but kind of his whole career.
Yeah, it is. It is so hard just
philosophically to select an older veteran in the late rounds
of these drafts and not just take the mystery box wide
receiver. And when I say mystery box, for
me it is a true mystery box. I was going to say Peter's like
Tori Horton. Horton hears a what?
Tori Horne like a Hall of Famer next to Curtis Samuel.
I'm using, I'm using Davis's rankings when I'm drafting.
You want to know how much restrepo I have?
It's a, it's a. It's a lot.
Except I don't even that's the so that's The thing is I don't
even like Xavier Restrepo in the hierarchy.
It's just that the 8 the the the base ADP.
I'm assuming because there are so many people auto drafting or
using ETR ranks, the base ADP is so bad that you're you're
sitting there. Amari Cooper's ADP is not
moving. DeAndre Hopkins ADP not moving.
These these guys who I think are are probably close to
undraftable, like probably should not be in the top 250.
Yeah. It's just, it's just so hard to
what what do you do with that in your rankings?
Like I basically have like Amari Cooper and DeAndre Hopkins 40
spots behind rankings or behind their behind their ADP.
Frozen for you, Davis. I don't know where.
Where did I go? Where did?
I go you, you have the most YouTube face freeze frame right
now. You just have to.
You just have to click and restart your your.
Video. Yeah, man.
So I'll have to get it back on the playback, but that's gonna
definitely have to be a screenshot there.
Yeah, that is really good. But so, well, I'm running into
this at tight end Peter where I just continually take Gunner
helm or Mason Taylor or Elijah Arroyo is my tight end 3.
And I'm like, I don't even know if that's good or not.
Like, how do you how do you balance that of like this price
is clearly good and is gonna change in best ball mania.
But at the same time, how do you balance out Chigakanquo, who I
know stinks and is not gonna help me versus Gunner Helm, who
probably is gonna stink and not help me, but is also gonna be a
second run pick in the NFL draft.
I I actually don't know what how to balance that.
I think it is it's it has to be the hardest for tight end,
right, because it's such a like opportunity on the field driven
thing. And also it's a very hard thing
to project for for a draft class.
So you have like all these variables that could just like
literally any tight end you take late could just be a stone cold
0. Like every single one of those
guys after like pick 160 has 0 within their rage of outcomes.
So you're like, do I take the upside?
Do I take the guy who I think is going to be on the field but
might not earn targets? It doesn't feel fun clicking
tight ends late. I think there are a couple of
younger veterans as opposed to rookies that are interesting.
I think the Tavion Sanders is really interesting and maybe
Theo Johnson a little bit he. Had that foot injury, but yeah,
I mean Theo Johnson was was basically Chica conquel like he
was just on the field for 80% of the snaps.
Never got the ball, but lots of guys never get the ball at tight
end. That's that's why someone like
Kincaid is Val even though we all know we all know Kincaid is
bad. No one, no one listening to this
podcast is under any aspersion. The dog Kincaid is like an above
average set up, but he gets the ball I.
Don't know if he watches but. The one the thing that was weird
about his season. I mean, Allen, nobody's
infallible, but the unpatchable passes rate to Kincaid or just
missed targets, I mean, it went down to something like 53%.
He had an injury too. Like they're just the timing was
different with Kincaid than almost anybody else Alan has had
in the last four years. Not as not good.
Nick just said a really interesting name that the guy I
think is is getting under drafted.
Kasiki, I think that Burroughs comments, he he put or he put
Gesicki in the same category as Jamar Chase and T Higgins.
He was like, I want my guys back.
I want TI want Mike, which is like, I don't think of Mike
Gesicki that way, but that's pretty interesting.
Not to mention Kisiki's target splits without T Higgins on the
field last year were gaudy. Like he was the the 1B behind
Chase when Higgins was out and then even when he did return
down the stretch he was like a big part of the offense.
I like that call. What?
What is his ABP? Free 19th, 19th, 20th round.
He he goes. It's like I'm choosing between
him or Mason Taylor Gunner helm most of the time.
Yeah, Mason, Taylor, Pete. He's back who I just took.
They said in the chat he's Jason Taylor's son.
That's that I did learn that fun fact.
Is he really that OK? Well, is nepotism back?
Is nepotism kind of led me down a bad Rd. last year.
So I'm wondering, I'm wondering if we if we need to be back in
on nepotism. Chader.
I like Chader more than the ball watching Cabal because he's
going to do something that most rookie quarterbacks can't do.
He's just very accurate. This is very hard for rookie.
He just is going to complete a lot of passes which.
What? What have you been getting to
any of the rookie quarterbacks in drafts?
Yeah, I got the ward. Yeah, Ward is good.
It's just that it's so hard for me to be like, you know, what
I'm going to do in the third round, Just not going to take
Mike Evans. I'm going to take a quarterback.
So like I just am always, I'm just always scrambling for a
quarterback. So like I have Pete.
My most drafted player is a player you have probably not
heard of yet. Jack Jackson Dart is right now
my most drafted player in in the big board because I'm just like
pretty sure he's going to be Kenny Pickett.
Kenny Pickett's rookie year in the 20th round.
I'll take it. And then like just hoping that
he has like a bow Nix like season.
I mean, that's the yes, that's the comp is is Nix.
Who drafts him at what price like Seattle is interesting for
a mid to late first round young quarterback.
The Rams might be if they move on or even if they don't.
But is that is the quarterback on the field?
What about the New York footballing Jets at Pick 6?
Well, OK, I mean, if that happens.
That is, that is my current, that is the moon shot.
That is, that is my if, if that hits, then then I'll be winning.
Dustin Norton just said Tyler Shuck in chat.
Guys, I just, I, I just for the record, maybe you guys don't
watch a ton of college football or whatever.
No, he's 26 years old, never had more than 3100 passing yards. 53
career touchdowns to 26 career interceptions is not happening.
How the Shuck is not happening? I mean, isn't it funny?
I feel like we do the same song and and by by we, I mean kind of
like the draft net community, the mock draft community of
every year. These quarterbacks, the non
elite prospects, they're like, I have a great around two grade on
them. They're not first round picks.
And then the NFL teams eventually say to fuck with your
grade A franchise quarterback is all that matters.
And even if it has only a 30% chance of hitting, we're going
to take this guy with pick 10. Like, doesn't that happen every
year? I mean, haven't Knicks, Knicks
and Pennix? Yeah, that's what I mean.
And that also goes both ways because if Levis or Malik
Willis, who were like early draft process first round
hopefuls, even like the day of the draft, both guys, both those
guys were getting top five hype the day of their respective
drafts and teams didn't even bother in the first round and
look at their careers. So Russell Wilson is the
exception. But if it doesn't happen in the
first round, you're you're a long shot.
Yeah, yeah. And and that the draft Knicks
are saying this shit like Todd Mcshay has a draftable grade on
on Chuck Dane Bruegler has a draftable grade on him.
But like, I don't know, man. I watch a lot of football in my
life. I'm I'm not obviously a scout or
anything, but like very hard for me to imagine that guy
translating and NFL teams are so woke now to take a 26 year old
quarterback. I think the interesting
quarterbacks are the veterans that are in that same range
free. That's well Daniel Jones, like
with the number of teams that need starters, does somebody
what what should The Jets do? Should The Jets reach on
Jackson, Dart or Millroe? No, they well, maybe, maybe they
should, but. No, The Jets.
Definitely, if they do not take a rookie quarterback in this
class, they, they're all, everyone in the front office
should be fired. Even if they stink, even if it's
around. Like if if Jalen Millroe is on
the clock for them in the third round and they don't take him,
they should just all immediately be fired because the 1 1/2
percent chance that Melrose and NFL starter could reinvigorate
the entire franchise. Well, I was going to say, isn't
that even the only way to save face?
After this failed campaign of going all in as a Super Bowl?
The only thing you can sell your fan base on is hope.
And what's the one way to do that with a rookie quarterback?
That could be anything like other than like if you're trying
to run back some like dusty thing, like man, you're, you're
going to lose so much goodwill as if they haven't already lost
it. Does the coach, does the coach
have time for it right, If the guy just needs a lot, does Aaron
Glenn? Depends on sort of who the guy
is I guess, But Daniel Jones, not The Jets.
Tyrod Taylor will never get drafted in the big board.
The the funniest moment it's this is a tough one because
there were so many funny moments with The Jets Season for me was
in Buffalo week 1740 to nothing in the third quarter.
The bills weren't even good like defensively they were kind of in
shambles. 40 to nothing. Rogers get sacked for a safety
picks all of it. They take them out at 40 to
nothing. Taylor goes in touchdown
touchdown. Yep.
And so his his career since he left Buffalo was starting for
somebody until their rookie is ready.
I don't know if he's if that makes him draftable in this, the
odds are against it, but he's interesting to me trying to
predict who the starting quarterbacks will be.
I mean, Darnold will start for somebody.
I don't know about Jones, maybe not Taylor, but there are more
teams that need guys than that. I believe Daniel Jones signed an
extension with Minnesota. I'm trying to look it up.
Spotrac just put Daniel Jones's contract page behind the
paywall, which I've never, I've never ran into the paywall on
Spotrac before. So now I'm gonna look at Daniel
Jones over the cap. But I I'm trying to.
That might be the most flattering moment of Daniel
Jones's career for Sportrac to put me behind the paywall
because everyone was interested in my contract.
I and he is not. So Daniel Jones is a free agent.
I mean, you could certainly see Daniel Jones starting for the,
for the Raiders or whatever. I mean, it's very, it's very
hard to say, but I mean Russell Wilson, I don't know who, but,
but Russell Wilson's starting for someone, probably not the
Steelers. Could could be the Raiders,
could be The Jets. I mean, he, he's starting for
some. I would say he's more likely to
start than Rogers is. Like I now that Rogers is done
with The Jets. I am.
I'm done taking Rogers. I think I took him once with
Garrett Wilson or something. But I am, yeah, Rogers is is
unlikely to play. So I assume if you're not
taking, you said you're not taking much of the early
quarterbacks, I assume you have a ton of three QB builds.
Almost. Almost exclusively, yeah.
Because like you look, I mean, it's a little bit of a, a
fallacy that our brain draws these really easy lines of like,
well, shit, I got no idea which wide receiver is the right one
to take here. But I know Russell Wilson,
Jackson Dart, Kirk Cousins, these guys are at least going to
be getting points. They're at least going to be
going to be on the field. Yeah, I although, I mean,
couldn't you, there's still fragility with those guys as far
as starting and like, like you can't guarantee 17 games once
you get to that range of the draft.
No, you can't guarantee 17 games and obviously you can't
guarantee that they're there in the money weeks either.
But they are. They are, I think, much more
likely to add points to my roster than Darius Slayton is.
You know, Darius Slayton could easily like, not sign a contract
I think. What's your what's your
percentage split of two tight ends versus 3 tight ends?
Pretty heavy on three. It's like 3683 is like the the
the meta. You just move the two extra
roster spots that the big board gives you into into quarterback
in tight end. That's generally what I would
like to. I mean, like today I did A2
quarterback team, Allen and Stroud, and then I did A2 tight
end team Kittle in Ingram. Or maybe I tacked on Mason
Taylor. Actually I did tack on Mason
Taylor. So yeah, I the two quarterbacks
is tough, but I think with Allen up top it was probably fine.
I mean, dude, the bye week Bros are gonna come for you before
the bye weeks even begin. They're gonna be like, dude,
aren't you worried? Aren't you worried?
Your double elite quarterback build, They're both gonna have
the same buy. Aren't you worried, Peter?
And you might. Who is your Who is your most
drafted player through however many drafts you've done?
I'm pretty sure it's Jackson Dart.
It might be. It might be Kendra Miller.
Oh, but it's his prize. I didn't even see him on the
board today when I was drafting. He is the running back. 60
drafts completed, most drafted player.
No, it's Xavier worthy. Xavier Worthy.
Laquint Allen, Jackson Dart, Kendra Miller, Ollie Gordon are
all my players that I have over 30% of.
There it goes. There it goes, Xavier worthy.
Some things might never die. No, I mean, he's Xavier.
Look, I like Jackson Smith and Jake, but man, he, he, he
shouldn't. He shouldn't be going after
Worthy. Yeah, I mean the Xavier Worthy's
awesome. I I do think like the projection
things are going to probably break in JS NS favor more than
they will and Worthy's depending on how the Rice's thing rice
thing shakes out. But Worthy definitely has a
higher ceiling. Well, that is that is inside the
that's inside big board. Is that the reporting on Rashi
Rice's injury has been bad. Like all the all the updates
Hayden actually shout out, shout out my boy.
Hayden winks did some research on LCL and PCL tears and they're
it's pretty bad actually. It's like it's like a harder
recovery than ACL. And remember, they delayed the
surgery like a month because they, they, I think they, they
thought, oh, he's gonna be back for the playoffs.
And then turns out, no, he, he definitely was not back.
This, this Whittington rise. I mean, this is as bad as it
gets man. Yeah, Mike, you're, you're back
here. Why don't you you take us
through, We just pulled up some of the we started talking about
ADP. So I figure let's get into some
of these biggest risers and David's just mentioned Xavier
Worthy. The steam might be coming from
inside the house here with this ADP.
Yeah, but I I'm buying in on worthy.
I mean, hey, Davis, Davis. Well, am I allowed to say it was
broadcast the Brian Thomas junior comp from last week.
Highly controversial, but. Yeah, no, people did not like
that, man. People.
People really did not like what if.
What if Xavier Worthy just had the same target profile as Brian
Thomas Junior, which maybe was more likely than I think people
want to say. The question is, again, sort of
borrowing from you, is Kansas City now after that loss, ready
to get serious and really after the whole season And that it's a
pretty good starting point if Rice gets healthy with Worthy
and Rice and maybe, you know, there's a Hollywood Brown or
someone else, Devante Adams, you know, whoever else might get
added to that. But do they, did they learn a
lesson from this year? I don't know the answer to that.
I mean, they won the one seed 15 games under Super Bowl.
Maybe they throw their hands up and say Philadelphia was just
too good. But we'd want from the Chiefs to
sort of get back to who they used to be.
And if that happens, and if Kelsey's done, then Worthy is in
a great spot for what, fourth round?
I mean, the thing with Worthy and with the Chiefs in general
is like, I don't think they ever were Like, you know what, let's
just Dick around as much as possible.
It was literally just trying to survive.
Andy Reid spends all offseason designing this offense.
Week one of the pre season Hollywood Brown, who I think
from the four games he played and we can clearly extrapolate
was supposed to be a big part of the offense.
Injuries, his shoulder. They're like, OK, he's gonna
he's gonna be back in week one. Oh no, season ending surgery,
not gonna be back. OK, we're gonna build the whole
offense out of Rushy Rice while Xavier Worthy is kind of getting
up. Nope.
Rushy Rice, our quarterback, a detonated nuclear bomb in his
knee. Guess we got to replace that.
OK, we're going to be a running team with Pacheco.
We're going to play P Ryan on 3rd downs.
We're going to use this Carson Steele guy for sure.
Oh, Nope, Isaiah Pacheco broke his leg.
OK, we drafted this, this rookie left tackle where our our pass
protection's going to be better. We solved the problem spot.
Nope. He's the worst left tackle in
the NFL. We got to move a guard to left
tackle. I I think the sliding doors of
all that stuff, it was just like they, they were just trying to
breathe, man. They, they were literally just
trying to get to the next week. And if they are just kind of
more healthy as a group, I think it's going to look a bunch a lot
more serious. I I wonder what their post game
coaches meetings would have sounded like week after week.
Beating Carolina on a field goal at the gun, beating Denver on
the block field goal, beating the Raiders when the quarterback
wasn't ready for the snap. You know, Reed's in there with a
cigar on his feet up. Like, are you guys kidding me?
Is this is this real? Like we can't, we can't lose.
Like we're we're not doing anything and we just literally
cannot lose. And then they get the bye.
They get week week 18 off. They get the bye, they get the
Texans and they get a Bills team that can't figure out how to how
to finish. They come up with two or three
plays that they weren't ready for and they win again.
And then Philadelphia seemed like maybe that should have been
obvious. Like, I like Philly big in that
game. But yeah, we'd love as fantasy.
We'd love to see the Chiefs kind of get real next year.
And again, Worthy is in as good a spot to benefit from that as
anybody easily. Yeah.
So the the Xavier where the ADP rise?
That's very self-explanatory. Dude exploded down the stretch,
exploded in the Super Bowl. These Niners AD PS I assume this
is all related to Debo Samuel potentially moving on.
And, and a report from The Athletic, I think on February
5th that Brandon Iuke's ACL recovery, he's like very
unlikely to be ready for week one.
That that, that the team and IU, they said they, I think, I
forget the exact wording. I think it was like it'd be a
pleasant surprise if he was back by week one or they're not
expecting him to to be back week 1 or whatever.
So sounds like they're 11 personnel to start the year.
Jawan Jennings, Ricky Pearsall, and perhaps Jacob Cowling.
Maybe old friend of the show Chris Conley.
But yeah, it sounds like, sounds like much more targets available
for these two. Are you guys off Iuke like early
7th? I don't think I am.
And I I was never an Iuke guy to begin with, but it's like
fantasy football is a tough game.
So you just kind of try and avoid the guys who are already
hurt. That's just kind of my it
doesn't always work. Breece Hall, right?
Guy who was already hurt, he came back was a League 1 doesn't
always work. That's kind of my general
philosophy. I mean, I've like, I have been
the IU guy. I mean, this late career Jawan
Jennings breakout, Ricky Pearsall looking like he's
really good. George Kittle's not going away.
CMC is going to still vacuum up targets Like he can be a good
player and still be like a bad fantasy value because he's he's
not good enough to earn targets at an insane clip over those
other guys necessarily. So I I do think it's an issue
for him. That is fair.
They did pay him, so they should
want. And what are they going to do
with Purdy? They're probably going to end up
paying Purdy. They should want.
To they're going to pay Purdy. He's going to get the the GDP of
a small Central African nation for sure.
So Davis Whittington is bad? What's it like?
In relation to. The Whittington Cooper Cup
getting the Cooper Cup wanting to get traded.
So here's the deal with Whittington.
Really strong yards per route run.
In a small sample last year it was like 202 routes.
It's like 2.25 yards per hour run, which is pretty strong.
I actually liked him. I was drafting him last year.
So I'm like, OK, could theoretically be the third guy,
ended up being DeMarcus Robinson being the third guy.
But you've got two layers here, the first being one.
Matthew Stafford might not be the quarterback of the Los
Angeles Rams, Greg Rosenthal, who's really plugged into the
Rams organization, tweeted last week.
It's not being talked about enough that Matthew Stafford is
likely gone from Los Angeles Rams.
To me, that means that Les need is telling people around him
Stafford's gone because Rosenthal would be would be
plugged into that. So that is pretty bad because
you don't want Jordan Whittington as the slot wide
receiver for. Jackson Dart.
Jackson Dart, Sam Darnold, Tyrod Taylor is kind of the tier of
guy that he would see in. Why would they move Stafford?
He he doesn't want to play there anymore.
And my YouTube chat told me the reason is, is that Kelly
Stafford is sick of it. Los Angeles that that that that
now I don't know if these people know the answer or not, but that
is what is is been communicated to me.
I don't. I don't know if that's true or
not, but it sounds like Stafford wants that.
You you see everything. Did you see her on her podcast
or like I'm always up for an adventure?
Not great, Not great if you want and it if you if you want
Stafford to be the quarterback. And an uncanny ability of
working her way into the headlines as it you remember the
thing where she talked about sleeping with the Stafford,
Georgia backup quarterback, the Georgia pack, Just like, make
him jealous. I'm like, maybe don't air that
one out on a podcast. No, that was.
Some people can't help it. Some people can't help it, man.
It's pretty, yeah. So you just have a lot of outs
to Jordan Whittington getting 46 receptions next year.
I mean, I'm sure, I'm sure his ADP now is, is this 168's
actually like fine or whatever. But for like a couple days
after, it's like Pete, you know, this, this happens at BR too.
Like right after a news thing leaks, people like, oh, dude, I
got to take him in the second round.
So like right after the news thing, people are like, dude,
Jordan Whittington, if I don't take him in the 11th, I might
not get him. So I better snap him up, right?
And I was like, OK, I'm out at that price.
I think he's fine. Yeah, I mean the the range of
players going there it like it seems hard that it would be bad.
And again for the for the audio listeners here, we got the
biggest risers graphic on screen.
None of these monstrous moves. You know, Jennings and Piersall
both up five picks. Xavier Worthy up two picks,
though a little more meaningful at the earlier portion of the
draft. And then Whittington is up 8
picks from, you know, 175 to 168.
So all of these are like very sweaty, underdog, newsy
movements that probably don't actually put them into a range
that makes it bad. Davis you would think the one
thing I would know to do is mention like the audio listeners
and read like, you know, I might just have a a temptation to call
for a break while doing that, but you know, still like that
would be something I would know to do.
I gotta go I. Think what happens when you have
me as a guest is that I I can't help myself but snap you.
Know hosting on YouTube is a is a different gig Mike it's it's
it's not the. Same.
I know I'm learning that. I learned what YouTube face
meant yesterday and maybe today it happened.
You don't even honestly, there's no good reason for you to know
anything about about YouTube. Honestly, keep your keep your
brain as sane as possible. There's no reason.
I know it through you guys and my son who's 15.
That's weird. I get my info.
Let me show you this. So Mike sent over in our discord
a photo and he was like if you guys need for the thumbnails
because we just have the one photo of him and me and Davis
called this out as perfect YouTube face and Mike, you had
never even heard the term. YouTube face before.
No, I figured it out though, at least to my credit.
I I YT face, I figured out what that meant.
I was right. At least I was right.
But there, this is the new one though.
This, this is this is the one from earlier today when you
froze. That's definitely going to end
up on a thumbnail near you. Now I know I I'm among friends.
That's good YT face. YT face.
You've got another 49ers graphic if you want it.
We've kind of talked about them and then a Chiefs won and we
always sort of go along on the Chiefs.
But you know, Kelsey's future is very much in doubt.
Davis is Noah Gray Good? No.
OK, that's settled. Yeah.
I mean, he's, he's one of these tight ends that you're, he's.
Durham, he's Durham Smythe, you know he's he's Gary Barnage.
If if the team really decides that he should get 87 targets,
then sure you you will have wanted him.
It seems unlikely, particularly because there are going to be a
couple guys who are available. Particularly, I think Evan
Ingram is very likely to get cut from the Jacksonville Jaguars.
They and this has been a it's probably the number one topic of
contention amongst best Ball big Board versions right now.
Who is Evan Ingram going to play for?
I took him and was talking about him on the Jags and boy did I
get put in my place. I was.
Going to say, dude, you can't. These people who are already 50
big boards in man, they're they are ready to correct you on
every assumption you've made about the 20252026 NFL season.
But it's a real 5050 because the Jaguars can save considerable
but not franchise changing amount of money cutting him.
But then you have to ask yourself, OK, who are they
cutting? What?
What are they doing with the money they already have?
Gabe Davis is under contract. Christian Kirk is under
contract. Brian Thomas junior is under
contract. Brenton Strange is under
contract. So it's not a pass catcher
thing. Who's the big free agent who's
coming to Jacksonville? OK, they got their quarterback
under contract. And the other thing that is
always so neglected in all of this is NFL restructures are
very common, especially if the guy's about to get cut and he
likes playing there. It's like, oh, Evan Ingram, I
like playing with Trevor Lawrence.
I I want to see what he'd probably be pretty willing to
restructure as opposed to just getting outright cut.
I like the Jaguars pieces in drafts with especially without
Ingram. But I mean, you mentioned Kirk,
you're right, 13 million dead cap.
He had a collarbone injury. Like he's not old or anything.
The backs are OK Davis is there. They got nothing the first year.
But if I were Lawrence and I don't know, I'm not talking
about friendships or whatever. Ingram, I think holds him back
and and he's at a point in his career where it's like, all
right, am I going to be good at this?
Am I going to be traded? Like am IA bust?
What is going to happen if I were his his best friend to be
like enough with the tight end, like let's go.
And so I think with Cohen, there's potential for that to, I
mean, maybe not be elite, but a lot better than what you have to
pay for in these drafts. A hundred 100%.
I think the Jaguars could very easily be the what was it the
Buccaneers last year, the Seahawks the year before.
Just the the offense that goes like ascends like 3 levels up
from where they were the season before.
And I would say too, like if you if you think that Evan Ingram is
gone, like you should be slamming Christian Kirk and.
Slamming. Yeah, absolutely one.
Yeah, yeah. Which is likely right?
Because I, I think Ingram's of value, even if he stays there
just kind of with the, the personnel and they kind of just
like run it back. And then like it's almost like
the Gesicki thing, right? Just a few rounds earlier where
it's like Gesicki could get there for sure if T stays, but
it's probably a huge windfall if T leaves.
So I I still like taking Ingram, even after I learned today he
might not be Cohen. Ian Kincaid are one spot away in
ADP, tight end 13 and 14 and then Isaiah Likely is tight end
15 and I think that's interesting.
That's another one where everyone has already cut Mark
Andrews, but they save about $750,000.
It's like nothing. The only reason literally the
thought process is this guy's getting cut because he dropped a
2 point conversion. I mean, it's really, it's just,
it's, it's just not any more in depth or in thought than that.
It's it's Mark Andrews getting cut because he's 29 years old
and he dropped the two point conversion.
And look, he came out and he apologized and I forgave him.
And I said sorry. Yeah, if he didn't, I apologize
like he's off my board. But he seemed to contrite.
And I think we're ready to go. His foundation got a lot of love
from the Bills community, which is what we do every time.
Andy Dalton. Anything that ever happens on
another team where Buffalo's involved, we, you know, flood
their inbox with donations, which is great.
So tight end 6 Andrews. So like we we started this with
the Noah Grace up, but Davis on screen here we have the chiefs
prices. Are any of these good picks
right now on screen? No, no, I and in fact, of the
people on the screen right now, maybe only one of them will be a
starting Chiefs player next year.
Like Kelsey might retire. Hunt, I assume is, is just out
of the NFL. Pacheco is like, you know.
Whatever. He's a seventh round rookie, a
seventh round guy from Rutgers. Who it was good who broke his
leg and like was like actively killing the team in their
postseason run was like actively their worst player.
And then, yeah, Hopkins, I assume will be cut.
Let's see. Let's see if I get are they
gonna give me the premium paywall?
OK, Hopkins can be cut. No, Hopkins is a isn't.
A respiratory agent? Yeah, he's done.
Yeah. It's, it's done, it's over.
So he won't be, he won't be back either.
They, they would rather have Juju Smith Schuster than DeAndre
Hopkins. And I think that is, is pretty
clear what, what would the team friendly deal that Hopkins could
take? He he, they paid him $600,000
last year after a restructure. Hard, hard to get more team
friendly than that. And they didn't want to give him
the ball I guess. He did score a touchdown in the
Super Bowl, so shout out to him. But I I would guess one of the
self scouting things that Veitch and Reed might do is like this
strategy of employing only men over the age of 30 is not
working for our offense. But it's so funny because it's
like the Chiefs have done like a polarizing thing, or at least
how they've approached wide receivers.
It's either like get the dustiest veterans or just
absolutely fucking nail these rookies in the middle part of
the draft or obviously Xavier was earlier, but and then like
fucking slow play the the, you know, powder keg of talent
that's just like right under your neck.
Gotta get. Justin Watson, his reps, man,
you gotta get Justin Watson his reps.
Yeah, it is a like there was, it is kind of fun to envision.
Like if there was a scenario where Travis Kelsey hadn't
fallen off the age Cliff and it was like you have Pete Kelsey
with Xavier Worthy and Rashi Rice, like that's the scariest
offense to ever set foot in football could.
Have been you think it retired it's.
Been fun. I do.
Yeah, the way he was talking on the most recent New Heights or
whatever, I mean, I don't listen to it, but those clips always go
viral. Did not sound like a guy who's
super interested in in coming. He's like, you know, I got to
think about it, I got it. Basically, he sounded like his
brother before his. Brother, yes, exactly, exactly.
They knew when Jason Kelsey and the Eagles lost to Tampa.
He's crying on the bench. He's hugging at all the coaches.
Like everybody thought that was it.
And then some time went by and he did that instead.
It wasn't immediate. And then it was like, OK, And
there's just every reason to think, Travis Kelsey, this is
the time. And I do think like literally
having your brother just go through all that, you talk to
him all the time, you have a massive podcast, you're dating
the biggest celebrity in the world, you've accomplished about
all there is to accomplish in football.
Think you're probably good? Like staring down the barrel of
another year of like, load management during the regular
season. The AFC getting tougher like
that doesn't really sound like a fun thing.
No, you do look up to big bro. Just like Brady Kachuk, Pete on
Saturday night in Montreal. Like God, what a game.
What a game. That was Mike.
That is, that is. Let's go Pete's study.
I thought Pete would be there today.
I thought last minute he'd be like going to, I'm going to TD
Bank Center Garden. Is that where Is it down the
road from me? 1:00 is Finland, Canada, 8 is
Sweden, US, and there's a chance that US can dictate like who
they want to play by, you know how they do tonight.
So it's not they only had so much time to cram this thing in,
but it was a pretty good, pretty good stuff on Saturday.
All of this is at TD Garden. We got it.
We got to wrap up the show, guys.
I'm gonna head down and see if I can scalp some tickets and watch
some hockey here. Get to the finals on Thursday.
That much, it can't even be that much to get in.
Get to the finals on Thursday could be pretty good.
Yes, finals on Thursday will be expensive.
Finland, no one cares. So biggest followers among the
non chiefs. Thank you, Zach, Woody Marks,
Travis Hunter, Taysom Hill. Have these names ever been put
together for any reason before in human history?
But Davis, tell us about Woody Marks running back and what's
happening with his AP. That makes sense.
I mean, he stinks. It's it's.
Just. A he stinks.
It's the it's the it's the funniest thing that effectively
the opening default rankings in the big board are not one to one
Hayden's rankings or projections, but I believe they
are loosely based off of Hayden's projections or
rankings. Hayden obviously went to USC.
Woody Marks was I think like the running back 45 and like 140th
overall or something, which is just like hilarious.
It's like this great running back class Woody Marx is like a
23 year old who sucked and like only caught passes like never
like broke like 0 tackles in in college.
WFN warehouse is just lying. He he is like the opposite of a
tough runner. He he would just get hit and
then just immediately get sat down.
He he's like no different than guys like Donovan Edwards, the
pass catching back from Michigan.
So it's just very funny to see him cascade like no, no top 100
big prospect thing has him in the top like Dane Bruegel or
Mcshea. None of them have him in the top
100. He he's like a locked in round
five, round six pick. So that's what's going on with
Woody Marx. It's just very funny because
again, only the sickest degenerate virgins on the
Internet know about this hyper specific Hayden Winks bias that
is influencing the the the ADP. It's so funny.
And it, and it is funny too because like you already
mentioned, there are some players whose ADP like the the
Amari and the Hopkins that is just static because there are
like just auto drafters or people just drafting off ADP.
So those will always stay there. But like it does take like a
pretty good market correction to actually push someone down right
now. Yes, yeah, like, well, the the
thing would be is that he's not ranked by legendary upside, he's
not ranked by ETR and I don't have him in my rankings either.
So anyone who's using any rankings is getting 0 of woody
marks. All right, there you go.
Travis Hunter, though Mike, this is maybe a more familiar name.
I assume this is people reacting to the news that he was going to
be listed as ADB at the combine. 100% yeah, I remember he, he he
just DM me his his Internet went out.
I think he's hotspotting on on his phone.
Yeah, basically it's, but it was like kind of like this should
have been priced in anyways because he he was always going
to be a corner 1st. And then at the same time that
went out though, like literally the same time Jay Jones 9, who's
like a big NFL reporter tweeted at the same time he's like, he
is gonna also do wide receiver drills and like Travis Hunter's
not gonna do shit at the combine anyway.
He's not running the 40, he's not bench pressing.
He's not running the guys who are gonna be top five picks do
not do the drills. They never do anymore.
Travis Hunter's not doing the drills so.
Right. It it, I do think it just speaks
to how on edge everyone is about what's going to happen, right?
And people are going to react to every single little bit of news
because I think you can argue like, so this ADP right now, he
dropped from 1:22 or 1:16 to 1:22.
I think you could argue if Travis Hunter exclusively played
wide receiver and is a top five pick, he is the best pick in the
entire big board. Like not even close at 1:22 if
he exclusively plays wide receiver.
And if he like plays 80% DB in just a few gadgets snaps at wide
receiver, he's arguably one of the worst picks in the entire
big board at this cost. So it makes sense to me that the
market is going to wildly react to every single breadcrumb we
get between now and the start of the season.
I would say the bread crumbs have actually not been that bad.
The bread I my projection for Travis Hunter is he is a nickel
corner. So he plays about 70% of the
snaps on defense and he plays about 20% of the snaps on
offense. But they're good snaps.
They're only third downs. They're two-minute drill fourth
quarter. If the team's down, he's getting
like his targets per route run is going to be Cavante
Turpenesque like Kevante Turpin's role, but as one of the
best athletes you've ever seen in your life.
What what do you wanted to get cheaper?
Travis Hunter keep keep the the Kevante Turpin cops.
Turpin esque is good. I mean, that's.
Good, but Kevante Turpin is like a a shitty guy who had a
domestic abuse charge at TCU and and like never started in
college. Travis Hunter won the
Blitnikoff. So how how do you value a guy
like, OK, this is let's all right, let's back up.
If Brian Thomas junior played 30% of the snaps for the
Jaguars, where are you taking him?
Hang on, which 30% in what direction?
He's he's getting about 30% of the snaps.
Brian Thomas, junior, is playing about 30% of the.
Snaps round 14. Yeah, like round 14, Round 15.
So. It's so it's not.
That far off I I don't think, I think it's not that far off like
a three leg parlay because he also has to be good.
We're all taking that for granted.
Yeah, yeah. Any of you know, like he has to
be really good. Then the efficiency hits like
all of that. It is a it's a multi leg parlay.
Where do we think he's going? Where do you think he's going?
Hunter like 5. Everyone locks into Cleveland,
or at least that's where I keep seeing.
Cleveland's going to take Ward, I think.
I think whoever takes Hunter likely trades up for him.
To one. Just wherever, because Karain
made this point and it's I, I've held it near and dear because
it's one billion percent accurate.
The GM who takes him is going to have a really high job security
because there is no way for Travis Hunter to make the fans
happy there. There is no career in which he
makes the fans of the team. It like he'd either have to be
the best corner you've ever seen, a a Rivas Patrick Surtain
level shutdown dominating corner or this incredible wide
receiver. But the most likely thing is
probably that he'll be an OK corner and then have some fun
stuff on offense every once in a while, you know?
Davis, I'll I'll stay right where I was for the last month.
He's going to Jacksonville. I mean, they really don't need
the receiver. They can kind of get away with.
He's just going to Jacksonville at 5:00.
That's. I, I think that I think that
works because then he can kind of rotate out when on the
Christian Kirk stuff, he could, you know, that it kind of works.
I I kind of like it for offense, I think.
That would be again another like I, I think the market would
probably get pretty excited about that spot.
Yeah, I think so. I think as well.
What's going on with this Taysom Hill?
Why where all the time? Hill flappies Davis, So I've.
Tracked this pretty closely as you can imagine.
I cannot find where this rumor came from.
No one's putting their name on it, you know, not So what?
What's Silva's boy? Underhill has not put his name
on this yet. Mike Triplet has not put his
name on this yet. The Tayson Mill is unlikely to
return to the Saints with Kellen Moore there.
The the big issue, I mean, I'd have 100% Tayson Mill.
The big issue is he's a 34 year old who just had a catastrophic
knee season ending knee injury, I believe ACL and MCL.
So it's it's just not great. No, no.
So we're not yet. We're not quite yet to the
conversation about where we list Taysom Hill.
We're more just sort of like where is he going?
Is he going well? They finally did get it right.
They finally did just list him as a tight end, which is
obviously. And now no one wants it.
They finally gave. People what they want.
I guess he does some of that. Moving on.
We've got two way players everybody, and this is quite a
list. Speaking of three men who've
never been in my kitchen or named together, Hunter Sionvaki
Davis, that's that one's for you.
And of course, Bronco Nagurski. Legend Bronco Nagurski, man.
I don't have any leather helmets, but what a collection.
If if Bronco Nagurski was in this draft class like like there
was like a, like an elite tight end prospect name round 14, The
the, the, the name premium you would have to pay on that guy.
It'd be like a 2 1/2 round premium.
Just 2 1/2 rounds. Yeah, Bronco with AK is the most
hard, badass thing I've ever seen in my life.
Yeah, but I I actually knew this name somehow.
I don't know why I know who this is.
He must have been. He must have been in one of
those books you read about football from the Public
Library. How do you forget it?
Well, how? About Ed two way is selling this
guy short and this is this isn't me from a wealth of knowledge.
I'm looking this up right now. So you know, played full back in
defensive tackle. He was also a successful
professional wrestler, recognized as a multi time World
Heavyweight Champion. This guy was a three-way athlete
baby. Wow, also Canadian there.
You go also a Canadian I believe he also wow.
He also joined the United States Army as a Canadian Best.
Background this This would be Trump's favorite player.
Canadian board guy who assimilates the United States
Army. You know, this is back when men
were men really is what we're is what we're saying.
This is when this is when men were men.
Yes, it is the IT is. It is a a collegiate award.
Yeah. Bronco Nagurski, a stable of
every football. Look at this guy.
Look at the size of that guy's traps, dude.
My God. I mean, he looks better than
somebody builders. Now look at that jaw.
This is like the the original, a photo for the meme of like men.
Why can't you look like this? You know, and just this is the
most manly man I've ever seen. I'm gonna put.
This guy's like, this guy's like 75 years old in that meme and
this look at look at what you could look like at 75.
Incredible. So good.
All right. How about the size of the
football in this picture? By the way, that's a giant
football I used to play with it's.
Bigger than Xavier Worthy. Yeah, no stripes.
The real, the play. Game was the ball getting
smaller year after year in the early 1900s.
No one even noticed. No one even noticed.
All right, boys. So you guys have to leave?
No. OK, year 2 running backs.
So last year what do we have? We had Jonathan Brooks, first
running back picked mid second. Yikes.
Benson in round 3 and was that not it for running backs?
The first two days of the quorum, OK, first two days of
the draft, it wasn't much. Here are Bucky Irving and Tyrone
Tracy, who both were very good. In Irving's case, I mean
outstanding. And here are your hits from year
2 running backs. Otherwise, it was pretty gross.
I know we're all like, take my cues from you guys and you want
to be drafting these rookie running backs.
We don't know landing spot, you know, we just know that the crop
of free agents were old. Henry Nixon, Jacobs, is he good?
You had Camara and Connor and everybody knows the names.
There should be opportunities for some of these younger
running backs to fit in and do well.
It didn't really happen other than these two giants were open
and the Bucks with Rashad White, who nobody liked for his
efficiency. Irving gives you a very nice
year. Great dynasty asset.
So is there an overall lesson from last year?
The lesson is a scattershot approach is going to be better
than honing in on one guy. I had I had 85% of Braylon Allen
in the big board last year. Felt like a fucking genius after
that two touchdown game. It's like this guy's so good,
can't even be contained. And then you know it's week 9
and all of a sudden Isaiah Davis is playing on their downs.
Although, famously, Taron Tracy was not available in the big
board, it was not in the player pool.
For the big. Board last year.
Let me let me fine tune Davis's Screener because I do think that
there's a theme with both of these guys, right?
And Braylon Allen, we you know, we can lump him in talent wise
with them. But what he didn't have was a
clear path to taking over a backfield.
Like the impediment of Breece Hall is much, much greater than
Rashad White or Devin Singletary.
So to me, like if you want to tilt your exposures to the 1B
rookie backs, and this is obviously post NFL draft doesn't
really help us out now, but who face lesser competition, I do
think you want to skew your bets heavier in that direction.
And then to Davis's point, be more have more humility when it
comes to the Blake Korubs, the Braylon Allen's of the world
being like, yeah, they have awesome contingent upside, but
the path to them just taking it over outright is probably pretty
thin. Yeah, like you like.
The other thing is we do this mental math of like, oh, the
starter gets hurt and I hit the jackpot.
But then you also might have situations where the starter
gets hurt for like 3 weeks and you hit a, you hit a small
jackpot, but you do not actually like, well, Braylon last year
for like 3 weeks they were like, all right, this is just a
timeshare, right? And then they were like, well,
the other guy's Breece Hall. So maybe it's not a timeshare.
So let's, let's scale that back a little bit.
Or like you know, every you, you could set your watch by it.
Every Sunday at about 3:37 PM Central time, the Rams would be
coming up for their third drive of the game.
Blake Corn would get the first carry on that drive and all
everyone I fantasy. Does skyran hurt?
Go to ship chasing. Discord Dude where's Skyran?
Dude where's Kyran? Is Kyran benched?
You just can't you you can't account for sometimes how
dysfunctional the teams are. I mean, that The Jets had a
coaching change mid season. They could have been trying
anything. It could have been Rogers will
over over a lot of that. So 100% it it was predictable.
I mean, you could have predicted that that would happen with The
Jets, making them sort of an avoid in all cases.
But it sometimes you can't know. The other that is that is my
favorite jodre of Sweaty fantasy football there is.
It's like Brock Bowers could play like 100% of snaps and he
takes like 1 snap off to like get a sip of Gatorade and he's
like who does he did Brock did Brock Bowers leg fall off?
Like what the fuck? It's just like dude he's just
grabbing the inhaler for like 2 seconds, relax.
Another interesting thing about. I could be guilty of that.
Because it's so binary is there are actually way more year 1 no
points, year 2 smashes than you'd think 'cause I've been
running this filter thinking about Trey Benson and Blake
Quorum on Stathead. But like last 15 years, running
backs, third round picks, less than 300 scrimmage yards in year
1. It's like James Conner, Kenyon
Drake and two other guys who were like clear hits that I
can't remember. But basically, I don't think
Quorum and Benson are are dead at all.
I'm giving Pete, I'm trying to give Pete the there we go, the
line judge like they do now instead of bringing the chains
out the line judge just sort of points first down, let's keep
the game going. Here's our next slide where you
see a couple of those names, Benson, Quorum, Jalen Wright,
Shipley. I know Pete, you just took him
late in your draft this morning. Audrick, Estimate Wright is
interesting to me. I've got Mike McDaniel, I've got
Mostert out of the picture. Was he, is he good enough
though? That's, I think a lot.
Well, as I say that, I want to also say, does it matter how
good he is? I guess it matters on some
level. He has to get the coaches
respect. But right?
Of these 5, right and Estimate are the two I'm drafting the
most. Yeah.
Oh, I I just noticed Davis took off here for say, because I do
think that's the thing, right, Like you don't want to bury
anyone who is just buried necessarily for like depth chart
purposes and were blocked by a better back.
Like I'm not going to, you know, Ding Trey Benson for not being
able to serve James Conner. James Conner was awesome last
year. You know, like the the Rams
absolutely love Kyron Williams. Like I'm not going to knock
Blake Horn for not wrestling away that backfield.
So I guess of these guys, are there any of them who you do
actually have concerns about their talent?
Well, well. Estimate is the one of these
five who did not have that particular challenge.
I mean, Barkley, of course, and HN, you have four of the most
productive running backs in the league ahead of these first four
guys. But Denver did not have that.
And who knows with Denver? Estimate was a healthy scratch
for Tyler Beatty in the playoff game.
Yeah, so. But but again, it's Sean Payton,
so who knows? Audrey Estimate could get 300
touches this year. That was a that was a style
thing, right? That they wanted, that they
reportedly wanted for Buffalo didn't, well, end up mattering,
but. Well, Sean, Sean Payton
literally thinks there's a rule where you can't have a running
back play back-to-back snaps. He he like plays the floor is
lava with his running backs. Like you watch that game, that
game against the Bills in the playoffs and he would not let
any of these guys get into rhythm, even have a series, much
less like back-to-back carries. Like his running back usage is
just completely borked. Well, that doesn't help us for
next year. Well, what if it, what it?
What if it won't be borked? What if he gets What if he gets
Ashton Genti? That's been the rumor.
The rumor has been that Peyton really wants him and C Salami,
obviously, who? We all have our own spotted
history with C Salami, Broncos reports.
But. Do we?
If you're if you've been doing this as nerdy and as long as I
have, yeah, you, you've got you all.
You'll all have your. I mean, it's so funny because we
all have these opinions of teams beat writers based on really on,
on how good or bad we ran with their decision.
You know, that's, that's really all it is.
But Cecil has been tweeting that they really want Gente.
And I think Rusty Shackelford is right.
I think Peyton did totally want to play Javonte, but he just
couldn't do. He just couldn't do it.
Denver picks 20th. I don't know.
I mean, when Davis goes to the bathroom, he leaves his Internet
connection on. I just decided to go black so
whatever. OK, 20th pick for the Broncos.
Sounds to me like Gentie will be gone.
They'll have to make a move to get him.
Agreed. Yes, yeah, probably, probably to
get to 11. I had a Dallas.
And I mean that would just like trading up.
Running back. Worked out for the Lions, dude.
Maybe learn ball, Peter. Maybe learn ball. made-up for a
running back trade up for an inside linebacker.
Your positional allocations don't matter.
This isn't fantasy football. I need guys who can win in the
trenches. Counterpoint, Jameer Gibbs had
like the game of his life in that game and the Lions got
bounced from the playoffs by the fucking eighth seed.
Whatever Denver was, they would consider it a success.
So generally speaking, expect more of it, I think from Denver.
I will say too, like I assume next week when you guys do this
show, Jalen Wright's gonna show up on the risers chart just by
necessity out of the moster cut. Do we like him?
I like him. I liked him a lot a year ago.
Yeah. I didn't really like him as a
prospect and I don't really like him now, I think.
Yeah. I think at these prices though
like getting a stat like because what obviously they'll probably
bring in a third back. They seem to kind of like that
as part of their rotation. They did it with Jeff Wilson
before. But you are essentially getting
like the one the presumed 1B back here at like nearly priced
I think close to his downside. I get one the the maybe the true
downside is they draft like a running back in round two or
three and he's just relegated to RB3 and he's a total zero.
I guess maybe that's the down, the true downside.
A Banacanda. Well, it's also like no one
yeah, they could bring in a banacanda because a banacanda
fits in the point I was about to make, which is that Jalen Wright
is a poor style fit, I believe for the one cut and go.
He kind of likes to Juke and jive and find his and they're
just, I mean, we, how many times have we seen this with the
Shanahan West Coast zone blocking stuff?
Damien Pierce. Damien Pierce smashes year 1.
Bobby Slovak comes in, he can't figure out the blocking.
He gets replaced by Daria Ogunbowale.
It's just what happens, man. If you don't get the scheme,
you're just not going to get the free yards that the offense
generates for you. I just want to say at the risk
of being, you know, self indulgent here, I love this
chart. So 2025 ADP all right, here are
some late round guys, some values games.
Oh, they all played all the time as rookies.
Fantasy points per game, 3.4 to 1.71.12.6.
It kind of all sounds the same, but not, you know, yards after
contact, broken tackle that we're now we're going to get
great. I love this chart.
We're going to get granular on the well, 1.7 yards points per
game rather, but broken tackle 20% like this is the good stuff.
Well, and honestly, like these back-to-back slides kind of like
illustrate the entire point on taking these rookie running
backs, right? The majority of them are going
to be these guys that average 2.3 points a game that do
nothing for you. But there's going to be a couple
massive league winning hits. Like Bucky Irving absolutely
scorched the fantasy landscape and you got to crack a few eggs,
some Oddrick estimates to land a Bucky Irving omelet.
You know, that's just how it goes in these.
Plus the next slide is some more of these players, Ray Davis,
Isaac Gorendo, Braylon Allen. There he is Davis and then
Isaiah Davis, also a Jet. Similarly to the last group when
it comes to ADP also played all the time last year gave you a
little bit more fantasy points per game.
Davis. So we have James Cook who is
making a a production out of wanting 15,000,000 bucks the
season for the Bills. He won't get it.
I think it's highly likely that there's a three or four year
contract extension for him next year at a pretty good the kind
of the kind of money that because it's a running back will
mostly scoff at. But I mean 16 touchdowns by no,
no question was it a successful year for him and he's still
young three years in. Where does that leave Davis?
Ray Davis. High, high, right, because Ty
Johnson probably will not be back.
I mean, maybe they maybe he does just want to resign for the
veteran minimum because they like him, he likes them,
whatever. It's possible, but like also
maybe not like your third running back.
Not a high priority. Plenty of UDFAS that will give
you the same production. I I think I probably should be a
little bit higher because there certainly are non 0 chances
where where James Cook actually does just say I, I would like to
get paid and you're not going to pay me, so I'm out.
And the thing about Ray Davis that, you know, going back to
his prospect profile, right, like he's not explosive as
Bucky, but what he can do is he can do it all massively
productive at like every you know, what did he go to four
different universities and put up over 1000 scrimmage yards?
Like, man, I think he could be just like a sneaky league winner
in in those scenarios. And at the very worst, like,
like Davis says, if he takes it's over the Ty Johnson role,
we already know that's extremely valuable in this offense as
well. Yeah, he seems like a really
nice pick at this price. He is barely younger than Cook,
by the way. Cuz I just go to Pro Football.
Reference to check that and. Realize that I'm on Bronco
Nagurski's page. They're two months apart I
believe, which is. Just Bronco Nagurski and Ray
Davis. Yes, I like Davis too.
Cook. Cook, by the way, did what he
did this year on 47% of the snaps for the Bills.
Like just what an inside out season that was with all the
touchdowns with Allen getting another dozen or so by himself
again, they they ran for 30 touchdowns the Bills.
So I think Davis is trending up. I think, I think Johnson could
be back. He made some big plays in the
passing game for them. So unless he can get a better
deal somewhere else, I'd expect him here.
What do you think about these other guys?
You know, Grendo, it's always tough to me when we see the guy
get the crack and it like, was it, you know what you want it to
be? You know, wasn't catching a lot
of passes, didn't look as explosive really as like even
Jordan Mason when he had the crack at it.
Like how how do you guys handle the Garrendo spot?
Well, Garrendo got used more in the passing game than Mason did,
which I did think is a little bit interesting.
I, I, my, my opinion is that the 49ers handcuffed running backs
probably not on the roster. It's probably a third.
It's probably some some rookie that Kyle Shanahan is in a, a
dark room watching film right now and he's like, I'm trading
up to get that guy with one of my 19 compensatory third round
picks. Has there ever been a draft that
Kyle Shanahan is not taking a running back truly?
I think the answer is literally no.
I I believe there has never been one where he's not taking a
running back. And Darendo and Mason are like
super Jags. I agree with that.
I, we had it with sermon with TDP right?
And then Mason and like last year I I got to a good number in
basketball mania on Mason, but it didn't start until like
August 1st, right? So who was talking about Jordan
Mason until training camp really in Grendo?
He was a rookie, so there was some hype for him a little bit
more. And then Elijah Williams, right?
Elijah Mitchell. Sorry, Elijah Mitchell.
Season ending injury. Yeah.
I wouldn't want to be on any of the Niner backup.
The current backups, yeah. As the world's biggest Braylon
Allen fan, how often have you been drafting him in the big
board here at this price of 175? More than the more than more
than the field. Yeah, I I've got a lot of him
because I think the Isaiah Davis stuff can just be explained by
like end of the year Weirdnet and like Isaiah Davis, I
actually liked him as a prospect too.
So I I maybe as as much as someone who is not super into
rookies is not I'm not dinging Braille and Allen for Isaiah
Davis getting on the field. In fact, I think it's probably
more of a probably more of a Ding at Mr. Breece Hall, who
famously still has not had 1000 yards rushing in the NFL.
Just in your line. Wow.
And. If Pat was here, he could defend
his boy. But I'm not Pat, so I'll let
that slander slide. Yeah.
I I think I think Braylon Allen is probably just a very good
handcuff running back. Just like if Breece miss, I
don't think he is going to earn earn significant timeshare from
Bree Saul, particularly because I don't expect the offense to be
that good unless they pull off something that I can't foresee
for a quarterback. Maybe if Matt Stafford is the
quarterback of The Jets, sure then then maybe Braylon Allen
could earn. And I also, it's February 17th,
so I have not super well researched into who is calling
plays for The Jets and their play calling splits at running
back or anything. But I'll put it this way,
Braylon Allen, if the cheat or if the Cowboys traded a third
round pick for Braylon Allen this offseason, I'd be taking
him in the third round. So that is how good I think he
is. Yeah, I mean, these prices were
in such kind of flier territory that it's hard to like, say
anything super bad about these guys.
And Braylon Allen, you know, flashed when he did get
opportunities. So I mean taking stabs at an
ambiguous backfield even even though the team situation looks
pretty dire right now. Pretty ambiguous.
Seems fine, especially because they might have no choice but to
run the ball every single play next year.
The question is, you know any of these guys, we're already to 9
or 10 year 2 running backs. There's also Kendre Miller, you
know, these guys versus rookies. And I think there's sort of a
macro question about what we think the appetite will be for
the rookie running backs versus, you know, some of these guys.
The San Francisco example might be a good one.
And I know they have the history, the tradition that they
have. But is a team going to be, you
know, Gorendo or DJ Giddens or one of these other rookies?
I guess you want to always sprinkle in both.
But that was my thinking with this topic was is it really?
Are they mostly dead? I mean, Marshawn Lloyd is on the
next slide. And I don't know, I mean, that
just went so badly. Green Bay was supposed to be a
team that rotated running backs and.
They were making up. They were making up injuries for
Marshawn Lloyd just like this dude got appendicitis like
crazy. So I mean, do we generally want,
you know, 7 out of 10 times rookies over this group?
I mean, I know that every case is different.
Well, yeah, and it goes back into from my perspective, it I
think it is harder to nail the Chuba Hubbard, you know, one
that the veteran who's underpriced who just absolutely
smashes than the rookie who, you know, provides a windfall.
Like just for me. I think it's easier to identify
those rookies and play those situations than to step on all
of the landmines of the dusty guys who you're buying volume
that never actually pans out. Maybe that's a leak in my game,
but I just find it easier to default to the rookies in that
range. And I think, I think if you just
blindly took the rookies after pick 150 over the vets, like
you'll probably come out ahead in the long run.
Well, because the the vets are not going to give you.
There's not a scenario where Marshawn Lloyd can end up being
an eighth round pick. But if Laquint Allen is a second
round pick to the Cowboys and they don't take Genti or a
second round pick to the Chargers, I mean, you are
talking like some of these guys who are maybe undrafted right
now, could legit be 3-4 turn picks in basketball mania or
whatever. So you have to balance out like,
well, Burchard Smith might be a zero or he might be the new
Travis Etienne for the Jaguars. You know, like it, just it and
it's a, it's a hard thing to balance, obviously.
I I learned on Go ahead, Pete. Sorry.
Oh. No, I was just going to say,
yeah, like the the CLV that you can get on these rookies is just
insane relative to to the veterans.
Yeah, closest line. Value I learned on Saturday that
Brashard Smith is a Stephanie Miller guy as Stephanie.
Stephanie was up in the Buffalo area for our 9th annual February
Fixed Draft. I can't say I invented my
friends and I invented the concept of drafting for next
year, you know, around the Super Bowl.
But we've been doing it for 9 years and lovely to see
Stephanie attend. I'm not sure she had any
particular reason for doing it, just decided to fly up from from
Texas to be a part of our festivities.
It's a wonderful time of year to visit Buffalo.
I mean they would want to visit in.
The middle of it's so nice. It is when the slush on the
street as you park your car on draft never really comes out of
your shoe. It's just always in your feet
are always cold from walking outside.
But fourteen teams, super flex, tight end, premium big bash.
We do 6. If anybody's interested in a
league like this, it's really fun. 18 rounds.
It gets pretty sloppy, just like the slush and then six rounds
supplemental in July, so you end up with 2424 players and in July
it'll make a little bit more sense, a little bit of both Best
Ball Mania and Big boy. Hopefully.
Yeah. Hopefully.
Could someone in the chat? The devs have been working hard
between the scenes. I just made the show face an
emoji for YouTube members. Can someone see if that took
effect here? And can we get some show faces
in the chat here? Today's not the other one.
I did today's. Yeah, today's is way better than
the one you wanted. That's kind of how it always
works. That's how it, you know, that's
how it has to be. I, I guess.
Well, at least I started a conversation.
Well, so real quick on this. So on the screen we got, you
know, the the Marshawn Lloyd, Jonathan Brooks is Davis.
Is Jonathan Brooks draftable? No, no, he's not.
He's not going to play, man. He, I, I, I've been saying, I've
been saying he is more likely to be never, never play another
down of NFL football than to playing this season.
So do you think how, how are you viewing Shuba then through that
lens? Obviously they're going to add
somebody. What, what do you think they do?
Do you think they invest significantly again?
It's the that's the problem to me is that this clearly feels
like a regime that is like values the running back
position. They just got this great season
out of Hubbard and they said, you know what, let's do, let's
spend a second round pick on Jonathan Brooks.
I would compare it to how the Rams took.
I've always forget the order. Was it Henderson first or then
acres? But they took him back-to-back
years in the second round and then they took Kyron in the
third round and then they took Blake Korum in the third round.
I I would view it similarly to that.
Like I think the the Hubbard coming in and handling 80% of
the running back touches I think is UN unlikely.
Buffalo similar, Singletarian 3, then Mawson 3, then Cook at the
end of two. Basically the same.
Just keep I I, I don't mind that.
I mean, I never want to draft running backs by, you know, day
2 generally, but that's not terrible.
They could be, they could do Rico Dowdell, 2 years,
$16,000,000 La Quint Allen round four and that would be enough
for me. Like, I don't know if I love
Hubbard here. I, I, I like him.
I mean, he's kind of by ADP so far and big board by himself at
the end of four. And so you're drafting Chase,
you know, like that's a little, maybe a little bit of a, not a
Hail Mary, but nice to get Hubbard there.
I think that's OK. I'd rather have Hubbard than
Nixon who goes before him. See.
I'd rather have Nixon. You would.
Yeah, you're, you're my guy here.
Didn't we all, even as we were getting crushed all season by
these veteran running backs, didn't we feel like we knew not
to go back to it the next year? Well, it doesn't it doesn't
matter if if it works or if it doesn't, but I just like I think
Joe Mixon is likely to get more carries and particularly more
goal line stuff like the Texans offense will just be better.
I I'm not like a 100% bought in on the Bryce Young, you know,
Steph Curry celebration resurgence, you know.
Running back 14 is Kyron Williams and ADP 34 so late 3rd
Camara is 17 at pick 56, so getting toward the end of round
5. The only two running backs in
that span of two rounds, almost fully 2 rounds, are Mixon and
Hubbard. So interesting for draft
strategy that that's the case. Yeah.
Have you, how many shares of Camara do you guys have?
A lot, a lot. I learned my lesson man.
I'm just done. I'm done.
I'm I'm taking taking the old guys, taking shitty players.
Taking shitty old guys was like the meta last year.
So to have no shitty old guys feels like a leak.
I I generally agree with you. I just said you might be I feel
like with Camara it might be the wrong lesson.
Like I agree on like the mix and stuff and J but like Camara like
legit even saw another worse gear than we had seen from him
in previous years down the stretch last year.
And didn't you just say Kendry Miller is like one of your most
drafted? Yeah, because the Saints do not
have the like, there's the Saints are one of the teams that
if you ranked one through 32, who has the least resources to
just waste a round three pick on a running back, I think the
Saints would literally be bottom of the list.
They would literally they have they have, they have no
resources. They have no cap.
They they simply cannot afford to be like, you know what would
really work for this team? Dylan Sampson.
They'll do it, Yeah. That's what the Saints do,
though. They they never have resources.
And they still do it. You're so right.
Yeah, I mean, I don't even hate
playing it both directions either, but man, like paying
more for Camara this year does really feel like paying for last
year's production. Like, shouldn't he be the same
price? You know, it's like you got
baking in some decline that we saw at the end of the I mean,
we, we saw play out in the BRS, right?
Like he was a legit 1O11O2 for a lot of weeks during that
stretch. And then it's like slipping and
slipping and slipping until you're like, shit, this this
guy's even overpriced right now. Yeah, I mean he is a bad and no
juice. Like even it's so funny.
Go back and watch his game against the Cowboys.
He's like slow motion walking into the end zone on some.
Like he doesn't. He's not good anymore.
But Joe Mixon is not good anymore.
Joe Mixon was not good last year.
I think you could make a pretty convincing argument.
Derrick Henry was not particularly good last year.
Terry the guy takes that 122. Well, no, if you, if you think
about think about Derek Henry, think about your, your mental,
like the my mental image of Derek Henry is always the
Thursday night game against Jacksonville where he was was
literally like picking defenders up and throwing them on the
ground whilst scoring touchdowns.
Like Henry kind of just Lombard his way to a bunch of
touchdowns, you know? Yeah, I mean, that's, that's
like, that's his entire career lumbering his way to a bunch of
touchdowns. Well, Kamera, why can't Kamera
do that? Is Kellen Moore's new new, you
know, whatever. Like Zeera?
I would argue that he he Lombard his way to a bunch of
receptions, you know, like that. That's how he he was PPR
scamming his way up there and getting goal line carries.
Yeah, Kamara and Olave have almost identical ADP.
A lot of the. Saints were scoring 50 points a
game for two weeks, and Clint Kubiak and Clint Kubiak was the
new greatest coach in the NFL. They decided that the things
that they were doing that led to that they should stop doing
immediately so. Everyone just died.
The whole the whole team just died.
Eventually. Like their whole offensive line
was out. You know what the so the Saints,
if I remember right, two and O, they blow somebody out, they
blow Dallas out and they go home to.
They were the Eagles. They were favored.
Against the Eagles and the Eagles needed the Eagles needed
a crazy Dallas Godder like screen Long run to win the game.
They they played Philadelphia. We didn't know what Philadelphia
was yet. They were still the team off the
late season collapse. And yeah, they were favored.
Tampa, by the way, this reminds me, beat Washington, Detroit and
Philadelphia in its first four games last year.
Not bad. They're a good team.
Yeah, I like Olave. I know Pete, you and Pat were
talking about. Am I keeping you?
Nope. No, not at all bro.
Not at all. You and Pat were talking about
Olave. It's the concussions that scares
me. But I feel like mid 5th OK.
Yeah. That that one I like I like
buying the the dip on, you know, he he's now lumped into, you
know, the the song and dance we do with Jalen Waddle, Devante
Smith, T Higgins, where we kind of like wildly react to how
we're feeling about them. But the the advantage of Labe
has on those guys is he doesn't have a number 1A even, you know,
eating into his targets, right. So I.
Due respect to Shaheed Right, due respect to.
Yeah, I do have to respect Shahid now that, you know,
Cooter Doodle met him and he signed all three of her Shahid
jerseys. So I do need to put some respect
on on on his name for sure. But yeah, that price on Olave
seems, seems pretty nice. Shahid in round 8.
I'm taking him a lot, but he goes right next to Golden, who
is gonna be Golden Might be like the 9th pick in the NFL draft.
People are. People are really.
Wow. He's going to show up to the
combine, weigh 185, run A43 flat and interview really well
because he went to Texas and people are going to be like,
wow, I guess. Guess we should have gotten woke
to this guy earlier. I I want to explain.
So I'm sort of, you know, chiding Pete almost.
Not really, but like, do you have to go?
Do you have to go? Because I don't have to go.
Like the, the thing I've even seen in the chat on your last
stream, Shope will get you out in one hour.
Don't worry about it. You got a marathon day.
He'll get you out in one hour. Well, I don't know.
We don't know if the viewers necessarily want that.
No, first of all. On ADP chasing, they love
tangents. I know myself because I'm a
viewer. They love going down the rabbit
holes and you know, we we're slowly like breaking you, right?
You know, you're this what what, what's the analogy I'm looking
for? What is it?
The horses that you have to break in?
You know, you are a broadcast horse.
You have your sensibilities, your insurance and outs.
So we're going to slowly break you, Crane Davis, when I hop on
myself and we're going to turn you into a true podcasting bro.
We're time. Time ceases to exist.
And you can go down any tangent you want and no one's going to
come and say, come on Mike, we got to get to this next
commercial. I appreciate that as long as
life does not get in the way, which as it happens in terms of
this show usually, like that's when I've got to leave for work,
but can we get Pat out of bed earlier?
I think that's a lot to ask. We can.
We can push another half. An hour what I think on like the
the actual housekeeping note. I think you guys are going to
discuss and and we'll talk and and figure out it might not
always be at this exact time. Obviously Davis's streaming
schedule, my streaming schedule, trying to figure out what works
best for everyone. And I want to get it to where,
Mike, you can do longer shows and you don't have a heart out
for that kind of stuff. So we'll we'll get to the bottom
of that. And as far as today, I'm I'm
just doing my marathon day because I'm going to to draft
with Davis whenever we wrap up here.
So so we're good, man. I had AI had a clear day and
spending it in the content minds with you guys.
I took the week off because my teenage children don't have
school for February break. Yeah, and brilliantly decided
not to plan a trip anywhere. So we got 3 hockey practices at
least. Lacrosse, different things,
friends. I'll be in the slush most of the
week up here while all my all my friends and their kids are in
Florida. Slush man.
That's the choice. The slush is not it.
It's 4° out here this week. I was, I was down so bad
yesterday because we had all the, the slush and the sleet and
stuff and my neighbors on, you know, February vacation with
their family and he like hits me up and he's like, my
mother-in-law is coming over to feed the cats.
Could you take, was there any chance you could come and like
do snow removal for me? And he's, he's done a lot of
stuff for me. So this was like, I had to pay,
but I was just like miserable. Having to snow blow and clear
snow and sleet and slush for two driveways yesterday wasn't
exactly how I wanted to spend my my first football free Sunday.
We got to, I thought. I thought maybe we'd get to like
DC, you know, 50s go as far South as you need to so where
you can wear shorts. But this turned out to not be
that week. You're cold or in the Midwest,
Davis. And they're like 24 in snow on
Wednesday in Washington. So there was really no move.
So what Mike, what was your, what was your favorite pick that
you made in your your early fantasy draft over the weekend?
OK. So 14 teams and we just expanded
this year from 12 to 14 with with Nick in it and different
friends. 14 is tough. 14 is tough and super flexed, so we
made the decision to go to team QB and everybody's going to pick
two and only two. That's that's.
Smart, I think. That's cool, yeah.
You take the rookies out of it and you're just drafting teams,
so I picked 11th. We do a random thing where you
pick your draft slot and I picked 11th and I thought well
the the 1st 4 quarterbacks, Buffalo, Baltimore, Washington,
Philadelphia could be the first 4 picks and we'll see.
And my plan was the more quarterbacks that get picked in
front of me, the better because if those four are gone, which I
would expect to be the case, I'm going to wait all day.
So the first 3 picks were Buffalo, Baltimore, Washington
and Hertz fell to 11:00. So I did that.
Yeah, they did maybe the smart thing.
I mean, I think Hertz was worth it, but all the Chase, Barkley,
Gibbs guys went in that range were tight end, premium 2,
Bowers was the 104. In that draft.
And that makes sense. We the format is exactly the
deep end Invitational format. So it's two quarterbacks and
tight end premium every three receivers start.
Try to make it as you know, reasonable to pick any different
position at any time. So I started Hertz and then
Neighbors. Nice.
What was your what was your tight end?
When did you did you get an elite tight end?
Got hert for Hertz in seven, Otten in nine and elite tight
end for sure. Some no name later.
Yeah, no, didn't happen. Didn't fall that way for me.
The four the team at 4 went Bowers Kittle to start.
Where you guys all at on the The Bowers Underdog ADP?
Too rich, just perfect or too cheap?
Definition of the 4% exposure blanket, I think.
Like it's clearly a too rich. It's just clearly a preposterous
ADP given that it's likely not going to be a good offense.
Like he's got to score a lot of touchdowns, but he is very
clearly the best fantasy tight end and you just do not want to
have none of that guy. I'll tell you what, it'll
totally change for me in tight end premium, though, where where
10 for 80 is just a giga smash. Yeah, he it's yeah, if it's the
the thing about the thing about Bowers is, is the touchdown
production just based on the offense that he was in and is
going to be in, I think is going to be like fairly limited.
He scored five touchdowns last year.
Maybe he gets to 8 this year, you know?
What about you, Mike? You like his price?
You know, I, I don't feel really differently.
I'm I'm on McBride a lot at the end of 223 turn.
I I think I'd rather do that. And then really it's just pick
your your favorite, like your your flavor after that, the rest
of the draft, like nobody really needs to come in after that.
After those three guys, Laporta, I mean all of them.
Jonnu Smith goes in the eighth round in big board ahead of
Tyler Warren. I mean, just have your
favorites, get your stacks, whatever.
So I think McBride is my favorite tight end pick.
Yeah, I have no problem with the Bowers price, but I get it.
I think Ajoku is my favorite tight end pick.
That was the one that stood out to me like before the Kelsey
slide where I was like Travis Kelsey, who's likely to retire
is going before David Dejoku right now, which seemed wild to
me. Yeah, like if Kirk Cousins is
the, if Kirk Cousins just turns into Joe Flacco, just like
feeding David Dejoku tight end screens, that's gonna that's
gonna feed families. I'm not picking Kelsey at all,
just feel like it's. Gonna be a couple times with
Mahomes in like round 14 when he's fallen or something.
Because like, you can just do the exercise of, OK, so you knew
for a fact that Travis Kelsey was going to play this year.
She says I'm coming back or whatever.
Like he's going to go back to where he was at like what?
Pick 100, You know, basically like, So what are you gaining?
You're gaining like 20-30 picks of value from like round 13 to
round 10. I mean, I don't know like that.
Just wait to draft him and avoid the zero risk and eat the cost
of of him moving back up to 100. I think the guys we talked about
earlier in that 12th round ish range at tight end are really a
good idea. I mean Craft I think is a is a
good pick. I think likely is a good pick.
Loveland is a good pick, Ferguson maybe even Pitts,
certainly Otten. So I want to have, you know, one
or two like I did in that draft, we just talked about one or two
of those guys. Yeah, Yeah, it is.
I think I did. Yeah.
I took Loveland in in my first draft this morning.
Yeah, Titan doesn't feel. Titan didn't feel as bad to
draft as quarterback did. Like you feel like you can get
in some bad spots with with quarterback, but Titan didn't
feel too gross to me. Where where is Pat?
I believe his parents are in town this week so just taking a
little time off but he's going to be we'll be back for ship
chasing on Thursday so at our our normal time.
Also one other PSA thing I wanted to remember, and this guy
just got posted in the discord. So we're going to be planning
our ship chasing meet up for this year.
We've generally kind of just defaulted to doing Vegas right
before the season starts. But every year we're like, we're
trying to get our asses in gear to do something else.
And so we got some wheels spinning.
Definitely going to give the Discord peeps first crack at
kind of letting us know what works for them, what dates.
So if you are YouTube members and you're in the discord that's
now pinned, there's a survey shout out Charlie line of
scrimmage for getting that together for us.
Going to help organize with that.
So if you guys are interested in a ship chasing summer, meet up,
hop in there, fill up that form and then we'll have more details
in the future for that. The slush will have melted by
then, just so everybody, you know, realizes that.
And golf with Davis. Is that something that is is
that on in the pole? Saint Louis.
Well, that's going to be the next leg of this enterprise is
seeing if we can convince Davis to to leave his house to come
meet up with strangers and non strangers from the Internet.
Man, that is there's going to have to be quite, quite the
festivity to get me a leave in my house.
I'm I'm not going to lie to you guys.
You went to the underdog party with your wife sick to watch the
Super Bowl. I feel like there's some hope we
can. 10 minutes, 10 minutes from my house, brother didn't have to
get on an airplane to do that. Didn't have to, didn't have to
get a sitter for my dog. Didn't have to, you know,
schedule out a week at YouTube videos in in advance, you know,
but I'm not saying I'm definitely not saying no good.
You guys could all come here and we could all golf.
I will. I will say that you guys could
all come here. There's a could be a group
couple. I would, I would love to do a
little weekend trip go to or you go to a Cardinals game or
something. I'll be there in April, Yeah,
I'll be there in April when the Cardinals are home to start the
season. So maybe 90%.
Do you golf show? I do.
OK, we'll go. We'll go.
We'll go golf. This is my This is my driver.
I was like, what is this? So what, you spank your
children? With that's very on.
Brand, How dare you? Yeah, how dare you?
Yeah, sorry, no more spanking. All right, So, Davis, we're
gonna we're gonna go draft teams.
Yes, right now. Let's do it.
Yes, literally. Literally right now.
Thank you, guys. Pete, great to be with you here
today. Thanks for making this happen.
Davis talk to you next week. Goodbye.