All right, today on ship chasing, a post NFL draft
dynasty mock draft super flex tight end premium Ray G is not
here, but just for everyone. This is not a dynasty startup
draft. This is a rookie draft.
Got to make sure that I clarify the settings and to help Davis
and I out. We got two of our faves here,
late round QB, a white whale on this show that we finally reined
in to get on the show and of course, Daddy Kelly from the
Ringer. Let's do it.
It's ship chasing Pat Fryer, Helmo, Anita, Handjob.
Fix your sight. Jamar and Alpha play chase you.
Can't handle the heat. It looks like we're finally at
this point, you're right. All right, JJ, excited to have
you. I know you got some family
commitments. I am vaguely worried that your
daughter is waiting at the bus stop for you right now, but you
had to be here. Is she?
Is she picked up? My, my, my wife is working from
home today. So we're we're good to go there.
But yeah, the last time you guys did, you guys did the the pre
draft, rookie draft, it was the weird text exchange with Davis
and then Kitchen made a big deal out of it and then it was.
Weird text exchange. No, no, no, look, it was, I'll,
I'll blame Kitchen for making a bigger deal about it than it
was, you know, at the time. He, he by the way, Kitchen is,
is back in Tennessee officially. He he, he messaged me whenever
he, he got back to, to his house and I, I asked him if he saw if
that there was a new Pope. So as we know, there's a new
Pope and I then I said, oh, wait, I'm sure your text thread
is really upset. The woke Pope.
You know what? He responded.
He said they were happy because Trump got got the new Pope a
lot. Wow, wait till they find the new
Pope's tweets about JD Vandal, because they'll.
Be. Upset Danny, welcome back.
I think last time you were on was the ship cast.
So nice to have a little more chill environment here today.
How have you been? I've been excellent.
Thank you for having me on. Appreciate it.
Yeah, for sure. How are you guys in as many
dynasty drafts? Is is Davis?
Is your inbox just non-stop? You know, MFL and sleeper
notifications right now? Yeah, I think I'm, I'm in four
or five right now, but I've finished another four or five.
So pretty solid feel for kind of what the ADP is so far pretty
fun. You know, Danny and I did a did
a trade last week. And I saw you wrote about that
bro. I, I I.
Fleeced this dude from the Raider.
So I built. Them into protege dug the no
ball. So that was actually the one.
So, so I, you know, it's a slow time in the football calendar
and stuff. And so I'm like, all right, I'll
send a newsletter out just analyzing 2 recent trades I did
and one of them was with Danny. I didn't put the person's name
next to it, but now that it's out there.
But regardless, the, the trade, it was a one for one.
OK, I, I gave up Roma Dunze and then I got the one O 8 and the
rookie drive in our superflex draft, right.
And the newsletter then made its way to Reddit and Reddit has
been, dude, Danny, Reddit is, is probably 75% on your side with
that, right? But it's been like, you know,
I'll, I'll go to war with some folks on, on Reddit sometimes.
You guys can go check that out. Yeah, I don't know if that's a
good thing for you daddy, to be popular over on on Reddit or
not. Well, at this point I I need the
refresher. What was the trade?
So the trade was so I gave up Rome and I moved up to the 108
because of the logic behind it. And I'm gonna actually do like a
a pretty in depth episode of of on Tuesday for the later on
podcast of it being sort of like like, you know why?
Like I I think it's just a really good example of like a
trade where you could easily lean either way.
And it's just dependent upon like how your teams is situated
and how you're thinking about the Gray area of fantasy
football and stuff. But regardless with.
Their burdens big strong muscles is that boiled down to but.
Like regardless, my thought process behind it was worst case
at one O 8, you're getting a Mechagbuka basically and rookie
drafts right now, right? And I wasn't necessarily hoping
for that because my team in that league is pretty good at wide
receiver and it's pretty weak at running back because it's just
the way that I team build. And this was the year that I was
going to kind of go in on running back and hope to
compete. And so I traded, you know, I got
the one O 8 and I'm like, OK, I'm going to get Trayvion at one
O 6 because I had the one O 6 and then maybe Quenche on would
fall, you know, one spot got past ADP and I'd be able to get
him at one O 8. And then I realized that wasn't
going to happen. So I actually moved up one spot
to to get Judkins by just kind of throwing 1/3 in there.
But that was my thought process behind it.
Because like, to me, it's kind of like a, a re roll in a way
with a buka. If you were to you know, if, if,
if, if I were to, to pick him. But people are very, very into
Rome and, and now, now I feel I, I sent a tweet about this, but
now I feel even worse about trading away Roman Dunze because
you get a Pope from Chicago and a guy named Rome on the first
roster. I mean my odd.
The signs are all lighting up. I will say when I got that trade
request, I was I went and read this is so funny.
Like industry, you know. Like.
Leagues or whatever, I went and read, I went and read your
prospect in the prospect guide, in the late round prospect
guide. You have a whole like section on
Yeah. And I was like, so is he lying?
Here or what? 'Cause I don't hate Rome, right?
No, you're right. You're right.
I'm glad that you're saying that because people think that I hate
Roma Dunze. It was more so just like, that's
a trade. I think that's a trade where I
could have gone either way. It was just that for that
particular team build, I think it made sense and I couldn't
trade him to the one O 7 spot because he had DJ Moore in his
roster. He wasn't.
Going to do it. I was I was sufficiently nervous
making the trade that I don't think it's like a bad trade.
It's it's one of those things where you know, you, you don't
just rush to hit accept or whatever.
I was like, I don't know, like I'm getting.
Ripped. In the way that you defend it in
terms of just, you know, a lot of guys that don't do much their
rookie year end up not doing much in their career.
So I kind of just went off of like the 2024 evaluation of him
prior to the season and kind of just hope for the best on this.
But I don't think it's, I don't think it was a crazy trade at
all. I was.
That's enough, yeah. Yeah, I think it was fair.
We're both. We'll both be better after the
fact. Yeah.
There you go. All right, here's what we're
going to do. Very similar to what we did last
time, actually, exactly like we did last time.
You know, I thought we could pull this up real quickly or
maybe we can kind of compare after Davis getting Travis
Hunter at 8:00 in our pre draft version.
Still pretty tilted about there because I was going to snap pick
him at 9:00. We'll just snowball, you know,
shudder. Sanders to Mr. Pat Crane, that
is not looking too good at Pick 12.
That didn't age well. Signupforhisdynastyranks@legup.com
But So what I'm going to do, we're going to go to random.org
here. I've put given us each three
slots, so we will each get 3 picks and we'll get through a
couple of rounds talk through the picks.
Daniel, I'll give you the honors.
How many times should I randomize this to determine the
order? 4.
Four OK. And last time I did it, Ray G
told the top 2 picks. So there's one, there's 2 Davis
with the top three in this iteration, 3 and four.
Oh my goodness, JJ, whoa 3. In the and it's the top 4.
This is just damn it, easy game easy.
That is, that is brutal. All right.
Congratulations, JJ, on your run.
Good. Do you want to take Josh Allen
here like Ray, or do you have a different direction you'd like?
You know it's hilarious. I was able to tune in for like 5
minutes. I think I even commented on the
on the feed just like like thanking you guys for the
invite. But I the only part that I got
to see was when Ray didn't realize that was a rookie draft.
It's on me. We love you, Ray.
We'll go Ash and Genti with the one-on-one.
Yeah, and speak on that, this is a show.
So pretty good, pretty good. No.
That really got. Me, I'm never coming back.
On this Mark, Mark Zuckerberg over here.
I think that was, I think it was just the the Pete saying speak
on that. Really horrible out of nowhere.
Yeah, Genti, Genti in the, in the ZAP model, which I'll
reference a lot on this show, people will probably get annoyed
by. He's a second best ZAP score,
which goes back to 2011. Only CMC has a higher score.
My projections have him as a top 6 running back in, in redraft.
So you're going to get, you know, the, the production right
away from him. You're not going to have to
wait. I mean, the, the, it's a perfect
situation for him to see 300 touches his rookie year.
So I'm, I'm into Gente. I'm not worried about really his
like height. It's not even a size thing.
It's a height thing for him. I'm not worried about the the
lack of receiving profile because two years ago he
actually had pretty awesome receiving numbers and he was
efficient as a pass catcher. I think all around he's just an
an unbelievably good prospect. Danny, have you pulled off any
trades for Genti or trading away out of the One O 1 for a haul?
I have not, but I, I kind of do subscribe to the idea that it's
OK to give up a pretty big haul to get Genti.
I kind of feel like in a, in prepping, just thinking through
my pick right now, I, I don't, I think the number two pick,
there's a, there's a Tier 1, which is Genti only in my
opinion. And then?
Danny I I did it in the league you and I are in together.
What did you get? I forget, Is that the DFB league
or whatever? Yes, I gave up what ended up
being a a pretty crazy haul because it was pre draft so the
guy got Hunter, but I gave up to Theo Greminger.
I gave up the 15, the 1/6 and the 1/8.
Don't, don't say the numbers. Tell me what they ended up
being. Travis Hunter.
There's like a bunch. I mean I could pull them right
now. Travian, they were they he
smashed every he got CLV on like every pick though it so it was
Tet Hunter and Loveland, so pretty good.
I would still yeah, I would still take my side.
I'd given the given the context of this specific team I have and
then in another league. This one's pretty interesting.
This is actually more of an overarching dynasty strategy.
I'll be quick with my picks Pete, because this is going to
take at least like 8. Minutes no I I I quite literally
asked you guys to speak on it now we're.
Speaking so JJ, in a league that's a, it's a copycat league
to the one you and I were in together, that you just left,
that Neil took over for you. Yeah.
I have the worst team in dynasty history.
I have it's a 30 man best ball superflex Titan premium.
I had eight players who scored over 100 points last season in
in full PPR 88 players. I believe my cumulative
basketball scoring for 17 weeks was 800 points.
I believe I'd have to go look it up, but I think it was so this
is full on tank. I have no assets.
I have nothing. I'm I'm Malik neighbors.
That's it. I'd obviously had the 101,
right? By the time Ashton Gente is on
his second contract, maybe I'd be ready to compete.
So I traded Genti away for a 2026 first, a 2027 first, a 2026
second and a 2027 second because that was the best offer.
That was the best no one else was willing to add.
And that is a shitty offer it that you you would you would
rather have. Genti.
No one else in the league was willing to give up multiple
firsts. Why didn't you wait and just and
just have genti? Part of the reason is this
league is not that active, so it's actually it's actually like
the during the rookie draft. That's the only time.
Trade's done. Is it because?
Our locked conversations happen in a app called GroupMe that
maybe 1 participant repeat. The group Oh, Pete.
Oh, by the way, The funny thing is Peter's actually in this
league, but he wouldn't know this happened because he doesn't
pay attention. That sounds like that sounds
like the most Silva thing of all times.
Silva's there's Silva's definitely in like 8 dynasty
leagues that he hasn't touched in six years like like he's he
just, he just joins and just forgets that he's in there but.
Here, let's even close this loop.
The team that I traded to get Genti from that Theo owns was
Silva's old team that he hadn't checked in about.
Two years, I think. I think one of those first was
mine too. Davis, actually, yeah, it was.
My team sucks. In a it was a it was a Geno
Smith. Trade.
I know this was like 2 years ago.
That might be This might be the most Davis Maddox story of all
time. Just massively overpaid for him
in one league and massively underpaid for him in the other.
Yeah. Here here's every Every league
is different. Peter the thing that's annoyed
me with with Genti is are the people who have the one O 1 and
they just don't make the pick to get the draft.
Like if someone's trading for the one O 1, they're trading for
Ash and Genti just make the prime.
And then I did Genti later. I.
Stayed I stayed on the clock for 8 hours messaging everyone in
the league saying come and get genti brother.
No, literally. Hey.
I typed, I typed in the GroupMe and I said Leoni has the best
offer. Going once, going twice and then
didn't pick him for. Three more hours.
All right, Danny, what I like to say in this year's dynasty
drafts is the draft really starts at 2, and that is
certainly the case here for you kind of choose your own
adventure at 2. Curious where you're going.
So I've got Hampton here. I think it just kind of depends.
Obviously if you need a quarterback, Cam Ward makes
sense, but Hampton in terms of draft capital overall, you know,
just quality of a prospect. He's super explosive
accelerator, tackle breaker production, you know, like the
perfect size and he went he he went to assist A-Team here in
the Chargers who just you know, are going to run the piss out of
the ball. So and and obviously, like the I
do kind of worry that Greg Roman isn't going to be there forever.
I think that would be like maybe the one thing to worry about.
But overall you you're attached to a really good quarterback.
You know, you're attached to a good coach in Harbaugh and a
good team. I think the the floor is really,
really safe here. And I think he's obviously going
to supplant Naji really quickly. So I don't know, you could talk
me into Hunter here, of course, but I'm just slightly more just
going Hampton here slightly, slightly above him.
Yeah, he he seems very likely to emerge almost no matter what
happens this year with really high trade value.
Because the worst thing is it's like he's in a committee but
flashes and everyone's like, well, he's the bell cow back
next year. So I'm I'm still in on it.
JJ, who do you, who do you have too?
And maybe if it's not him, then you're obviously taking him with
your your third pick here. Now I have Hampton too, but I
think like most people, I have sort of just like a giant tear
from 2:00 to 5:00 where you could go Ward, you could go with
one of the two wide outs, or you can go with Hampton.
I have Hampton too. Just I, I think there's just a
ton of safety as as Danny was alluding to, you know, Greg
Roman. The interesting thing with Greg
Roman is like his backfields are always good.
They're not always like excellent in terms of fantasy
production because they don't throw the ball to the running
back at all. They averaged since Greg Roman's
been offensive coordinator, they've averaged a rank in
running back target share of 26th per season.
And so the the nice part is, though, I don't know if any of
us really believe that Amari and Hampton was going to be some
plus in the receiving game. You know, he's not that kind of
running back. So it's from a situation
standpoint like this is probably close to as good as it could get
for him. You know, I think Denver would
have probably just been a better spot just because the line's
there and the situation's there and he could have gotten fed and
gotten more of those, like cheaper receptions.
But yeah, I mean, if you look at history, a player draft at the
end of, you know, the back half of the first round, their hit
rates, being in RB1 at some point, you know, over their
career is, are giving us an RB one season is greater than 50%.
You know, if I, I looked in the, in the ZAP model of guys who had
top 100 draft capital, 110 plus speed scores and best season
reception shares above 15%, it's only been DeMarco Murray, Todd
Gurley, Saquon Barkley, Jameer Gibbs, and now Amari and
Hampton. So he's, he's in a very, very
good place in terms of like, I think he's a lock to give us at
least multiple like RB2 seasons over his first three years.
You know, is the RB one season in this range of outcomes?
Of course, I don't know if he'll necessarily get there, but he's
he's at least a really safe asset in my opinion.
Yep. Who?
Who do you take 3 then? JJ, like Danny said, pretty flat
tier here that you could shuffle up, but you do have the next two
picks, so you get the luxury of getting both you guys here?
Yeah. Yeah.
I mean like, are we, am I supposed to be acting like these
are two separate teams that have different needs?
I'd actually like you to play 3 distinct characters.
One's an Australian, one's the new Pope and the other is a 14
year old. Yeah, we'll be doing that, but.
Let's take in Loveland here. I'll go.
Yeah, exactly.
I'll go. I'll go.
Travis Hunter next. OK, I you know, I've said it
before, probably even said it with you guys during the draft
season. I at least talked to like Karain
about it. Like Travis Hunter's analytical
profile isn't that good. Like it's not, it's not bad.
I'm just saying it's not like as elite as folks talk about Travis
Hunter. You know, Harmon's charting him
and saying, and it's the best prospect he's ever charted
before. And you know, his numbers are,
are good, but for first round wide receivers, they're not,
they're not that great. Like he had a 66th percentile or
a breakout score of 66, which is a is a metric that I use that
adjust for a program strength and age and it looks at
receiving yards per team pass attempt.
So that number is fine. It's above average, but it's
not, you know, what we see from first round picks usually,
usually they're at or above 90, you know, in the first round.
So you know, you look at his yards per out run numbers and
etcetera, etcetera. They're not like that stellar,
but it's pretty easy to sort of explain all that away by the
fact that he didn't, you know, sitting in team wide receiver
rooms and getting, you know, practice that way and getting
reps at wide receiver. You know, the the other thing
too is Colorado threw the ball a lot and they often had like four
or five wide receiver sets. And anytime you have that many
wide receivers in the field at once, you're going to see a
lowered yards per hour run rate. You know, that's why we had a
lot of people will adjust that in at the NFL level where like,
you know, Drake London rookie season, crazy, crazy yards per
hour run. Of course, he's a really good
wide receiver, but it was probably inflated a little bit
because Arthur Smith's offenses were running so much 12
personnel in Atlanta. So that's going to obviously
make that number look a little bit better.
So I think there's reason, you know, like PFF did some analysis
that showed that that Travis Hunter's expected yards per
outrun was one of the lowest of any wide receiver entering the
league since 2019 because again, the situation wasn't that great.
So I'll just lean into the fact that this dude's a Unicorn and
say that a lot of these numbers can make him an outlier, and
I'll go with Travis Hunter here. Danny, if we get word at the
beginning of the season that he is not in wide receiver
meetings, does this be? We have to throw out all
analysis 'cause this has been our caveat for his, his not, you
know, 100 percentile production profile.
Yeah, I think it's splitting hairs, but I think in the if,
that's actually why I have Ted McMillan ranked just ever so
slightly ahead of Travis Hunter. Because I think you can expect
like a 90 + 95 plus percent route rate for McMillan early on
in his career. And right now we're they're
talking about Hunter playing about 80% of the snaps.
I don't know what his route rate on pass plays is going to end up
being. Maybe they just throw them out
there when they know they're going to pass or whatever it is
and then it ends up kind of evening out and not being that
big of a difference. But I just think, you know, you
get McMillan versus Hunter and McMillan running almost every
route, being the number one target on his team versus Hunter
running not every route and being the number 2 target on his
team. Maybe that splitting hairs too
much, but that's why I would have McMillan just slightly
ahead. But I, I mean, honestly, like as
I go through drafts, I would just like kind of switch off,
probably take like one of the one of the other guys just to
make sure I get every, make sure I get both guys kind of deal.
But if I had to choose right now between the two, I'd slightly go
McMillan. But you know, I I recognize that
Hunter has a lead upside too. And and he's attached to what we
think is probably a better quarterback and a better
offense. And in just terms of the
trajectory of that offense under Liam Cohen, I think that you can
imagine a world where they're like the Buccaneers, you know,
the last couple years where they're passing a ton, really
efficient, tons of touchdowns and just lighting it up.
And then you're stuck there with McMillan and Bryce Young
regresses back to what he was as a rookie, and you're like, wow,
shit, this sucks. The.
The Bryce, the Bryce black marble is so bad for Ted because
like, he did seem really fun for like 7 1/2 games.
Yeah, but like also the games before that were so, so bad.
I mean, he was legitimately one of the worst rookie or at least
first round rookie quarterbacks we've seen in forever.
Like he was so bad. He was like Jared Goff.
Level's bad. He's like he's like cumulative
EPAI think is the same as Will Levis at this stage, and that's
including the good games, right, right.
That's that's that's cumulative. So.
So that's, you know that. And now like just saying this
out loud makes me want to like completely delete what I just
said about having McMillan. Slightly it's.
It's one of those things where you just, I don't know, like
there's so many variables. What do you, what do you do
here? But I think they're two very
close prospects in terms of rookie drafts.
I had the 102 in one of my leagues and I took Travis
Hunter, but I honestly had some pause with you, Danny, cuz my
other decision was gonna be Ted was who I was gonna go with
there. But it was funny, like I was
thinking through the ways I'd regret the decision, and I
decided that if Hunter, that just is incredible, and I took
Ted, that I would feel like so much more of an idiot than in
the scenario, like Davis was subscribing.
It's like, oh, Bryce Young, that was just a flash in the pan at
the end of last season. And Ted is just like mired on a
bad offense and just, OK. I'd feel like such a fucking
idiot. I clicked Hunter really quickly.
After that, yeah. I have also taken on the clock
at 1-2 every time. I've just taken Hunter.
Yeah, well, didn't Davis in in the league, the league we were
referencing before he fell to you at 15?
Yeah, 'cause some people are scared.
Oh yeah, some people, some people are big scared.
We got a comp, Someone already said.
What is this, an IDP draft you took?
You took a core. That's a hold over joke 'cause
even from our previous mock when, when you took him, I put
defensive back next to his designation on here.
So I I kept that in there for the for the wolves.
OK, let's see here. I believe JJ, you are still up
plenty to speak on here at One O. 4 Actually, literally nothing
to speak on. Yeah, I'm.
Literally you just. This is the worst slot to to
draw. Am I, am I allowed to speak
right here? Is that is that cool?
No, I actually have the worst slots.
I have the one O 7, the 19 and the 110 you guys get to have.
All of that, One O 4 is one O 4 is great.
I'll take Ted at one O 4 yeah no again like I I'm I'm kind of a
Danny like I think that you can make the argument pretty easily
that that McMillan would would be drafted over hunter.
I have Hunter because a hunter above him because as my COO
likes to say, I like to live a little when I'm when I'm
drafting these guys. Yeah, yeah.
And so with that, you know, I haven't been someone who thought
of McMillan as Drake London as much as others have like that
spectrum. It's more to me like Courtland
Sutton, maybe T Higgins is a prospect as well.
And you can look at like breakout score as as evidence of
that. You know, Drake London had a
really good age adjusted production profile.
Mcmillan's is really good too, but London was just a younger
player, like as he was like entering college and stuff.
And so that helped his number a little bit.
So McMillan has like a very, very small, small red flag when
it comes to the breakout score stuff that I look at.
And breakout score itself, like as a metric is almost as
predictive as draft capital itself.
So like, like I'm using breakout score as part of the ZAP model
in total. There's other inputs that go in
including draft capital, but like if you just looked at
breakout score, that would be pretty predictive for you, you
know, if you ignore draft capital completely.
So you know, him having a score of 83, again, it's good, it's a
solid breakout score. But usually these first round
wide receivers are over the 90 mark.
And if you look at top ten wide receivers since 2011 who had
breakout scores below 90, it's Tavon Austin, Kevin White, Corey
Davis, John Ross and Mike Williams.
It's, it's like that's the only like that's basically like, like
I don't like to like, I like to like run those filters for
content purposes 'cause I think it's just, it's interesting to
kind of look at the. Rage bait.
Yeah, basically, essentially, yes.
Yeah, Reddit bait. Yeah, but like it's enough.
It's enough though for me to say in a tie breaking situation I'll
just go with Hunter over Macmillan, but I can understand
either. Direction.
Yeah, that makes sense. All right, Davis, you get
back-to-back picks here at 5:00 and 6:00.
Are these are these layups for you?
One of them is because 5 is just Cam Ward which is like honestly
is like actually not fun. It's like sick dude.
He hit his ceiling. He averaged 18.6 fantasy points
per game in year 3. You know, like he doesn't.
You took about one O 3 in our in our pre draft one too.
You've gotten stuck with this pick both times.
I love that Davis just Fast forward in his body three years
to just give us that insight. I did.
I let you know. Yeah.
Dude, he had this sick quarterback 11 season.
It was him. It was him and Matt Stafford as
quarterback 11 and 12. You feeling really good about
it? Oh, Stafford's still playing?
OK, that's good. Yeah, yeah.
We just signed the contract extension, brother.
The fact that Shudur and Shuck were not first rounders, not
even not even second or third rounders in the case of Shudur,
and the fact that Dart landed in a weird situation where he's not
locked in and it seemed that he was the choice of the coach who
also might immediately be fired puts him in a weird spot.
And all of those things make Ward a little bit more valuable
in the context of of Superflex because he will have a year
where he can suck. Like Cam.
Ward can just be bad this year and you're at least going to get
his points. He can also probably flirt with
getting benched next year and still be worth an asset.
Like what is Bryce Young worth right now?
You have to. You have to trade it first.
Yeah, he's still at first, yeah. So you're you're then talking
about we get to 2028 before Cam Ward, while actively being bad
is is like in where Anthony Richardson is now, right.
And even still, if you went to the Anthony Richardson drafter
today and you were like I man, I will give you the two O 4.
He's like, I'm probably just going to hold man.
He could it could what he could happen.
It can work. So it's look, man, it's not very
fun. Cam Ward is is unless the
Tennessee Titans are really surprising and and Gunner helm
really breaks out and Shamira DK is, you know, our generation's
Miles Austin or something. They're they're probably just
they're probably just going to be pretty bad.
But there's a group. Chat out there that thinks that
all those scenarios are are happening.
There's a there's a group chat out there that is already
planning Gunner Helm's memorial outside of of the stadium.
Danny, do you have any non boring takes on on Cam Ward?
Can you get it? Can you get us excited for this
pick? I think the way that you get
excited about it is that he somehow turns into some version
of the Joe Burrow that emerged under Callahan for a couple
years. I think where they're throwing
it a bunch, they're spreading it out and letting him do
everything at the line kind of deal.
I, I'm not saying that he really showed that he could do this in
college, but basically when you marry him with a, what could be
a really good play caller, you know, in Tennessee, they, they
upgraded some of their weapons. I think he likes to play outer
structure. So he might scramble more than
you think in terms of getting a few extra points on the ground.
And I I don't think he ever has, you know, true QB one upside,
like overall QB one upside. But you know, you Davis, you
were saying like QB he got you QB 11.
You're like, I'd take that at one O 5 honestly.
No, I'm, I'm not saying it's bad, I'm just saying it's not
that exciting. Right, right.
So I think, you know, he does have he he does have top 12
potential and I think he's a pretty good player.
I just don't think he's a normal 1st overall pick that we're used
to in terms of just the hype and, and the pedigree and all
that. He was a zero star recruit,
started at an Incarnate word. You know, if you really want to,
if you really want to get excited about it, This is like
the true American dream here. This guy started, started from
the bottom. Now he's on top, you know, so I
don't know. I I think, but that's the bulk
case for him in terms of he plays in an offense that passes
a ton, high flying, you know, high pass rate, lots of plays
and he scrambles around a bunch. Davis, back-to-back picks here.
You said this one wasn't quite as much of A layout for you.
No, because I think you could make an argument for either of
the Ohio State guys. Neither lands in like a
particularly great spot. I usually think you actually can
make an argument for Loveland as well if you just are like you
know, Henderson injury prone Judkins like you know, one
really good season 2 one really bad season 1 mediocre season
where he got the ball 160 times like real real Marshawn at Lloyd
S season, his final year at Ohio State.
I know there are no consequences here.
I I kind of just want to take Loveland for the bit, but I'll
do I'll do Trayvon Henderson for two reasons.
First being Trivion, Henderson has a little bit of like I would
call it like the the Gibbs backer.
Yeah, yeah, I was trying to think of a a more intelligent
way to say that. But like he can theoretically,
he can theoretically put together usable fantasy season
while Rimandre is still playing 40% of the snaps, which is
valuable. He also is attached to a
quarterback we think is probably good in Drake may like trending
up like the I don't know if the if the Patriots were the 11th
best offense in EPA this year, it's like probably not likely.
It's possible. And then he's then he's a guy
you really want. If the Patriots are better and
this rework and the offensive line works, you'll you'll really
have wanted him. Whereas you, you look at
Cleveland and you're like, well, what is the plan here?
You know, so I got an I have an early down grinder on a team who
scored 8 rushing touchdowns last season and has five quarterbacks
on the roster stick, you know? Yeah, JJ, what do you what, what
did the ZAP model have as a player comp for for Hendo?
It was David Wilson. James Cook and JK Dobbins were
the three. I mean, look, David Wilson was
sweet. David Wilson was really fun.
Yeah, before. Injuries right that.
Yeah, yeah, Neck injury got him out of the league.
I think that like the James Cook comp though, is really tight
just in terms of what the numbers are looking at.
And if you think about like what his usage could look like in New
England and at the NFL level, I kind of see it as like James
Cook. Like think I'd like more of a
ceiling, obviously, but think about like what James Cook did
last year. Forget the touchdowns because
they were a little bit unsustainable.
But you're going to see like that fifty to 60%, you know,
running back rush air kind of range.
And then but but I think there's a lot more juice as a receiver
for Trayvon Henderson then then how Buffalo has been deploying,
you know, James Cook Henderson and like the best pass protector
that we've seen come out from as a running back like ever.
Arguably. He's got a ton of juice, really
good speed score. And then also, you know, he's
landing on his spot. I feel like people haven't
talked about like the Josh McDaniels factor that much where
like they they his his offenses have historically been at least
above average to elite at at using running backs out of the
backfield as receivers. Now that kind of those kind of
numbers are going to be personnel driven and even
quarterback driven to some degree.
But I that can't hurt like it can't be a bad thing thing that
McDaniels is there and there's not a lot of like obvious
competition at receiver. And when you're kind of
projecting things out, that means that those those that
target share can then go to the running back position.
I mean, we saw that with Romandre Stevenson where it's
like Stevenson had pass catching ability coming out for like a
bigger dude, but it was almost he was just like the default for
them. I mean, he he'd catch like like
when they were trailing, he'd have like 5 catches on a final
drive and all of a sudden he was PPR viable.
Now imagine it being like an actual good receiver at running
back playing for them. So I, I really like Trayvon
Henderson. I think, I mean, he's the kind
of running back that I generally fall in love with in fantasy.
You know, the pass catcher can take you to the house on any
play. But I mean, I think the
situation's actually not that bad overall.
Do you guys remember the rumor when Josh McDaniels traded
Peyton Hillis out of Denver for just like a seventh round pick
and the rumor was he thought his wife found Peyton Hillis
attractive? Do.
You remember that? No, I totally I I missed that
little. This was a legit rumor and I
also just made me realized why the Patriots couldn't draft Cam
Scatabo because he was worried about the same thing happening
all over. Again.
Oh my. God, Peyton Hillis, I hate this
this draft slot at one O 7 so much.
I was really hoping Davis would get cute and then I could just
take Trevion. I mean Davis already said it
about Judkins like that. Just feel like I know it's like
probably the the right pick. You look at the draft capital
all that, but you just like in your minds, I how do you
envision like a true smash for Judkins in that environment?
They're going to still give like Jerome Ford a little work.
Dylan Sampson is pretty intriguing.
Like not only could this be like a committee, but if he's not
catching passes and there's not red zone trips, like I still see
like the long term vision with it, how it could work out that
organization, you know, finally turns it around.
But I'm just sitting there thinking after year one, I'm
just like holding this asset that didn't gain any value and
probably lost a little bit of value.
So I'm going fucking rogue here. I'm taking the guy that didn't
even get drafted in our first pre NFL draft mock draft.
I'm taking RJ Harvey, another guy who got round two capital
who's going into like a 180 opposite situation than
Quinshawn Judkins. That offense is going to hum 0
competition. I mean, I think he's going to
have an awesome year 1 and I think it's just an asset.
Like if you are worried about the long term ramifications of
RJ Harvey, you are going to have a really nice window to get out
at basically any point halfway through the season to a
contender at the end of the season once he's put up, you
know, RB2 stats at worse or whatever.
So I don't know, I just can't do the Judkins thing here.
I'll let Danny take the the smart picks. 24 year old running
back at pick 7 dude. Cancel.
Cancel culture really is over. Every running back has like a 2
1/2 year window anyway. No, I know I'm making fun.
I'm making fun of the people who are the the they're the middle
curve or the Jedi bell curve meme.
The one no you. Can't.
The one thing I do with the age thing, though, with Harvey that
I feel like gets missed even with like when we talk about
like Matthew Golden and his like lack of production, you know, at
Texas is age also matters not just from the standpoint of like
you want younger players because they stick stick around longer.
It's also the from if you're analyzing this from like a
production standpoint, when a player plays in college longer,
he should have better production.
So if you're then letting age then factor in, then you're
adjusting that production to some degree.
Like RJ Harvey, for instance, his his first four years of
college football, he didn't, he didn't hit a 9% reception share
in any season that he played. And then he didn't get over that
10% mark and he got over 11% until his final collegiate
season, which most running backs don't have the opportunity to do
so because they're not playing college football for five
seasons. So I do think from like that,
from the experience perspective and depending on how you're sort
of like looking at prospects, I do think it does still matter
the age thing, people are going to overblow it because they're
like, oh, we haven't seen a 24 year old running back get
drafted on day 2 before. This is going to be a but like
it's just, yeah, you don't have to go that far.
But I do think that. Like I think.
Having context is important. The thing that should bum you
out is that if you asked Sean Payton, who is starting running
back is right now, he would like start to give you a historical
allegory for like the Crimean War.
You would mention Michael Burton, Marvin Mims.
His name would come up like he would not just look you in the
eye and answer RJ Harvey. Yeah, I mean, my thing though is
that like everyone keeps comping this backfield to like historic
Sean Payton backfields and they're like RJ Harvey's the
Darren Sprouls or or RJ if you want to comp him to one of them,
it's probably Pierre Thomas If if of of all the.
Guys, I totally agree with that. You know, but like I just I
think that you got to just like reset.
It's a it's a new situation. You know, it's not like it's not
like Sean Payton like historically had an Oddrick
estimate type back either. He usually had more dual threat
guys that were, you know, capable pass catchers too.
And he's not Alvin Kamara either.
I mean, Kamara is a ridiculous receiver as a prospect, like one
of the best receiving profiles, at least in my model.
So like, I'm not I'm not there with RJ Harvey either, But he's
yeah. I mean, I think I think that
he's the like right now rankings wise and like projections wise,
I think he's the RB2AS rookie as a rookie, right?
Like I think he projects better than Amari and Hampton this
year. JJ, from what I'm hearing, can I
ask a favor? Were you not right about this
pick I made in the mock draft in the newsletter?
Because I can't handle the heat on Reddit if they know I'm
taking RJ Harvey, You got it. You got it All right, Danny,
you're on the clock. Who would you have taken at 7,
which I'm guessing is going to be your pick here if it wasn't
Harvey? So this is time in premium,
right? People forget.
Yes, it is. And Davis said something like,
there's a bit with the Colston Loveland thing, but so living,
I'll try not to live in fear of what you're going to make fun of
me for this, but. There's there's always a bit in
the banana sands. The bit Danny, Danny the bit.
The bit is just that everyone in in this corner of the Internet
hates running backs. Just hates them.
OK, gotcha. That's all I think.
So this is tough. The way that I look at this is
there's enough question marks. If Harvey would have been there,
I I would have had enough question marks where I'm like,
not really sure if I'm going to go him over a top 10 pick at at
tight end in tight end premium, attached to a really good play
caller and attached to a potentially good quarterback in
in Caleb Williams. So I probably would have gone
Colson Loveland right there, even though I had Tyler Warren
ranked slightly higher in my at like actual football rankings
coming into the season. Are coming into the draft, but I
think Loveland's landing spot with a play caller in Ben
Johnson, who you know has shown the ability to make the Titan
like position really relevant for you know early on in Samuel
Porter's career. Obviously last year was a little
bit different. He fell off, but I think the
focus on Caleb Williams is here is going to be in quick game,
easy button, get the ball out, stop trying to freaking run
around there for five seconds before every throw.
Like scheming up ways to get the ball out quickly and and have
him play in rhythm and gain confidence.
And I think Colson Loveland could be a big part of that.
His ability to sort of run routes, get open early.
He has a big frame, big catch radius, could be, you know, that
proverbial quarterback's best friend type of player.
So I'm pretty bullish on Colston Levelin you don't you don't see
a ton of top ten tight ends in the NFLS these day in the NFL
these days and that obviously. Kyle Pitts and Eric Ebron.
When you do, they don't turn out great usually, but I think you
kind of just I'm just going with sort of like drive capital head
coach quarterback trifecta here. I think with Harvey, just to
join in on the Harvey discussion.
I've kind of like become very disillusioned with Sean Payton
and just don't want to have. I don't want to like be beholden
to the whims of of a megalomaniac like Sean Payton.
Like he just like they traded up for Marvin Mims and he's like
their punt returner or whatever. You know, it's like, I don't
like, I just don't trust him. It's like 6 weeks down the line.
How much are you gonna be surprised if like Tyler Beatty
is leading the team in rushing? You know what I mean?
Like I'm just like. We've we've been invoking, we've
been invoking that name around. Here I'm just like I do people.
Forgot but I didn't. Dan, I think Peyton just
honestly wants to troll us. Like he just hates us.
He's he's the borderline Arthur Smithing late in his career.
You know what I mean? I just don't know if I want to.
That being said, I have taken RJ Harvey a few places because, you
know, the history is undeniable with with Peyton and and his
running backs and how they are involved in the passing game.
The other thing I would say is like Bo Nicks is sort of the
perfect quarterback for running back production because I, I saw
this Broncos fans get pissed at me all the time because I'm
always kind of like making fun of Bo Nicks.
But Bo Nicks, according to FTN will lead the NFL in failed
completions, which is like my favorite term failed completions
failed. It's essentially success rate on
completions. So like dump offs and swing
passes and things of that nature.
He led the NFL in those last year.
I think he got better as the year went on and was pushing the
ball down field. And I think the success rate in
the passing game went up certainly.
But you know, he he's going back to Oregon, going back even
further, you know, get the ball out, get the ball at the running
backs. Let that let his playmakers do
the job. Sean Payton's been.
Which is so funny because the reason Peyton wanted to draft
him was he's like the greatest screen thrower of all time.
Right. So anyways, I think RJ Harvey
has a ton of potential. I just don't know if I really
want to buy into the Sean Payton.
Like I just don't want to be reliant on Sean Payton on
Sundays. It just makes me insane.
I will say this, I get all that. I think the cake for RJ Harvey
is almost like Sean Payton, agnostic.
It's just like you look at the draft capital, that overall
offensive environment and you look at the competition.
There is no competition really. I mean, even like the to to go
to Judkins, who I I can't believe I'm like slamming him
and now I'm going to be forced to take him with one of these
next two picks that I have. But I mean, like Dylan Sampson
is good, you know, like Jerome Ford would immediately have been
the best running back on the Broncos if they just swapped
out, you know, Jerome Ford for RJ Harvey.
So I'm just almost just saying like, let's just keep this
simple. Like it was an explosive
offense. They were scoring 30 plus
reliably there down the stretch. Like almost like he might have a
shenanigans but he'll be just forced to play RJ Harvey is
basically kind of my take. And I actually, I actually, you
know, really like RJ Harvey. I think he's a really fun back
and like, super explosive, like makes guys missing a phone
booth, all that stuff. So I think it's kind of like
you're, you know, splitting hairs talking about these picks,
of course. But yeah, I am excited to see
him play. I like him a lot.
But in this case, the Loveland pick, I don't, you know, I don't
have a ton of confidence just because there's a lot of guys in
in that offense right now for the Bears.
But I think, you know, like I said, sort of draft capital,
coach, quarterback, that combination feels good.
And I think DJ Moore, his days might be numbered in Chicago.
Like if you're reading between the leaves or whatever, or
you're reading between the lines, reading the tea leaves.
I'm wondering if DJ Moore might be moved at some point soon
here. J Sirt, says the guy who just
traded for Roma Dunze. JJ, I'd like to propose you one
of the first ever real time mock Drake.
OK, let's hear it. Let's.
Hear it? I'm looking.
To.
Trade out, Josh out. I want to trade you my 19 and
I'll even toss in my first pick in the second round there at 19.
I'll take it for your two, one and 2/3.
Probably not. No.
Fuck, I, I I want to see you. I want to see you.
You squirm while drafting quench on Judkins.
It's so strange that like I thought I was a little bit lower
on Judkins. I know I, I drafted him in the
in the one lead that were in nanny, but like I had, I had
concerns with Judkins and his receiving profile and stuff and
I, I didn't think that I'd find so many Judkins haters in one
stream right there. That's it.
I'm going to the GroupMe and I'm auctioning this pick off.
Wow. Not.
The GroupMe bro. Fine, I'll take Quinch on
Dudkins. I'm not happy about it, but it's
probably the right thing to do here at one night.
Can any of you get me excited about Quinch?
Yeah, easily. So the to me, Judkins from like
a usage projection standpoint, I think that that the ideal
situation is that he's sort of like more Jonathan Taylor, Nick
Chubb, where you're getting like a 9% target share from him and
not, you know, a 13 or 14% target share.
But you know, you mentioned like the Dylan Sampson pick.
I actually think that it would have been he would have been
worse off if they drafted someone like Jaden Blue on day
three instead of Dylan Sampson because Sampson to me is like
the quintessential early down change of pace back and not
because he he didn't have like a crazy good pass catching profile
and receiving profile. And so like the question marks
that we have with Judkins are far less about what that early
down profile looks like and how many how many touches he's going
to get on the ground. And so to me it's like, yes,
year one with Jerome Ford there, that's typically how they've
deployed Jerome Ford. So maybe we see a little bit of
a a decrease, you know, receiving or see decreased
receiving numbers from Judkins. But I think year 2 and beyond on
this rookie deal, we could easily see Judkins be, you know,
more of that 10%, maybe even 11% type target share player.
Because I don't think Dylan Sampson is is that good of a
pass catcher like Sampson, oddly, given his size and his
like, like he's an explosive running back like that, that
kind of that kind of size speed combo is typically used as more
of that change of pace at the NFL level, which is why I
didn't. I wasn't really buying the
Sampson like day 2 hype that like mock drafts for giving him
and stuff like that, because he didn't have the receiving
profile to to his profile whatsoever.
Whereas at least Judkins has the the like, he will be the 1A at
the very least, you know, on the ground where he's going to see
that like 250 plus attempt upside in that backfield.
But then who's he competing with as a receiver?
You know, after this year, I feel kind of good that it would
be Dylan Sampson. So that's the bowl case, I think
for Judkins. And, you know, like he got
really good draft capital. This is a part in the draft.
The early second round historically has been just as
good as like mid to late 1st rounders for running backs.
So I'm not like I I think just draft capital alone.
You have to be semi interested. I do have concerns again
receiving profiles not great, but you know I I still have him
over like RJ Harvey at this. Point Well JJ, that's all good
and well, but if you believed any of that bullshit, you would
have accepted my trade and taken your guy at 1:00.
Night, my guy. Now he's my guy.
Oh God, I have to pick again. Again, do.
The right thing so I can make a funny pick.
I mean, I'll do, I'll do the right, I'll take kind of the
chalk pick. I think in this range, I'm going
to take a Mecca Buka. Let's get let's get another wide
receiver on the board, first round draft capital.
I think there's like multiple ways this works out as far as
like as an asset, as far as like he could just hit early.
You're 1. Like he could have like, you
know, the Jalen McMillan like back half where he's Catching
Fire in a rotational roll. Or it could just be this thing
where the market is kind of confident.
He flashes a bit and then it's like, hey, Chris Godwin, Mike
Evans aging out of this offense, still tied to Baker Mayfield.
I think there's going to be lots of windows for selling IGBUCA if
you want to get out of it. I think he's just probably one
of the higher floor wide receiver prospects in this class
too. You know what you're going to
get from him. This is PPR this league.
I forgot to tell you guys that. So he should catch a few balls.
Anyone like to speak on a Mecca Igbuka?
He's the he's the eat your veggies first round pick.
Yeah. Yeah, that's all I got.
Not super. It's not like the.
Judkins things right where you're just like there's the
draft capital. I guess the situation's is a
little bit better. But what?
What do you like about him, Danny?
I think he's just, you know, to echo, he's a high floor guy.
Like he is a good route runner, really strong hands, great
blocker. Like coaches are going to love
him. He's going to get on the field
reliable, all the all the cliche catch words or whatever, but
he's just going to he's going to get out there early in his
career. I think there's a chance just
with the competition in terms of Mike Evans, Chris Godwin,
assuming he gets healthy, that Igboka takes a little bit longer
than a lot of the picks in the first round that we're seeing to
sort of turn into a big time fantasy star.
But if you wait, he has a chance to like be one of the most
productive of the class in terms of just being on a good offense
with, you know, I think Baker Mayfield, they threw the ball a
ton. They were very efficient last
year. There's a lot of variables, I
guess with, you know, new play caller and everything there.
But you know, I just think he has a really high floor and it's
kind of one of those situations where you have to be a little
bit. I think you probably have to be
a little more patient with him than some of the guys that are
going in this range, but I think overall, long term he could be
one of the better receivers in this class.
I really liked him. I just think he's not, he's not
explosive. He doesn't like break a ton of
tackles so people aren't as excited about it.
Yeah, the the weird thing too with Tampa Bay is that like I
don't, I think we all probably have like maybe it's like false
confidence, but we we feel good about whatever they do
offensively and whoever is going to be calling plays because
they've had back-to-back like two different coordinators.
They were both good. They both got head coaching
gigs. Like we so like we just
generally are going to feel good.
The weird thing about IGBUCA, if you want to spin this that he
found actually a good landing spot.
If you want to like look at it from from this other
perspective, it's that other landing spots may have sort of
type casted IGBUCA as a slot guy only.
And Tampa Bay showed us last year that they don't do that.
They drafted Jalen McMillan, played him on the perimeter all
season long, even when Godwin got hurt.
They're throwing Sterling Shepherd in the slot instead of
McMillan. And so then they get another
slot in Ibuka. And I think this is actually an
opportunity that like, I think he can play inside out.
Like he had pretty good numbers on the perimeter.
You know, I don't think he's only a slot and this is going to
give him an opportunity potentially to play more in the
perimeter because, you know, think about next year, Chris
Godwin's a year older. He's still on his deal.
So he'll still be in Tampa Bay. He's probably going to still
playing the slot for Tampa Bay. If they move on from Mike Evans,
then all of a sudden Ibuka is gonna be their primary boundary
target. And I that that's like there
aren't many scenarios where a team would be that open and
willing to do that with Ibuka, which is why I like, I think
he's a good enough prospect to be able to do that too.
Yeah. And it's it's kind of like the
he's like a better prospect, better draft capital.
I would say like equally good situation, but kind of you, you
needed a little imagination with the Ricky Pearsall stuff last
year where it's like, man, this is there's so many mouths to
feed, like how's it gonna work? And it's like, well, one, they
can either be really good and undeniable and they just have to
be on the field or two, chaos happens and shit happens and
people get hurt. And so I think there's lots of
outs for him in that regard. Davis, you said you wanted to do
a bit with pick 11. What do you got for us?
Oh yeah, I would like to select, but Luther Burden the second.
There we go, the university. Of Missouri, Chicago Bear.
Well it's just a bit because everyone knows the guy with like
the largest screaming red flags who like might be giga buried by
two wide receivers, maybe 3 pass catchers who are better than
him. Very flammable.
Guys. If, if Chicago was terrible this
year, no one's actually going to be that surprised if everyone's
like, actually Caleb, Caleb is terrible.
It's just not. It's just not going to Caleb
Williams had the worst. This is a Scott Barrett stat,
and I'm going to mess it up. It was like total sacks plus
throwaways or something. And it was like he put it on a
graph and he was so far up to the right that it was like he
invented a new category of how bad it was.
I don't care about any of that, though, because Luther Burden is
an absolute dog. And his raw numbers were pretty
bad as a as a junior. Theo wheeze more yards than him.
But if you do the dominator rating stuff it, it's not as
bad. And he was so good as a
sophomore. And I think the NFL actually
told us, by the way, that it it doesn't they don't care being a
being a second round pick with his prospect profile is actually
kind of crazy. Like it it if he had a Chadur
Sanders esque fall to be 1/5 rounder, like we would have been
surprised, but it wouldn't have been like no one would have been
like, well, I don't understand that at all.
We all would have been like, yeah, I don't know, I guess Guy
seems like a Dick. 5th is pretty far, 5th would be surprising.
That's like Stephon Diggs. Yeah, yeah.
Well, I mean Diggs broke his freaking leg at Maryland dude.
Like just crazy. But if if, if Luther Burden had
gone after IO Manor. Would.
Yeah, I don't think you. You would have been like, I get
it. I I think this guy might have
had a little. I mean, yeah, I gotta, I gotta,
I gotta pump these brakes a little bit.
Yeah. I mean, look, burden, burden
First off that Speaking of just like rage bait, that's that's
what that was. There we go.
The thing is burden. Burden was never my wide
receiver won it was just the the ZAP model liked him a lot pre
drafted. That went back in the algo for
you this afternoon, JJ. Thanks for just lighting the
mentions on 48 Hours. I really, really appreciate it.
I didn't even have to. I didn't even have to tweet
about Aaron Rodgers this time. No so so the ZAP model really
likes Luther Burden too much because it it's not looking at
like how his deployment and how he got the production that he
got, but from the standpoint of like people getting worked up
and worried about like his his his junior season.
The way I kind of describe it is peaks are more important than
valleys when it comes to yeah affecting right.
So like. How I describe my relationship
with Davis Maddock. Focus on the peak, but with with
with burden, he had the best breakout score in this class.
His sophomore season was the best singular analytical season
of any wide receiver in this class.
And I will argue that all day long, just given, given his
opponents and who he faced and the and the kind of production
he was posting. And yeah, I mean, like going to
Chicago is, is pretty intriguing.
Like at the end of the day, like, like, what if this is, you
know, I don't think that he's like a a copy paste of Amanara
St. Brown.
But like, what if this is the vision that Ben Johnson has?
You know, I've, I, I talked to Jeff Bell, who's going to be on
late round perspectives tomorrow.
And he had that. He made the point that he thinks
that Chicago kind of panicked when they were making this pick
because the running backs fell off the board right before them
and they had a plan. And if you look at what Chicago
did all draft, if if you look at what Chicago did during the
draft, like they didn't get a running back until Kyle Minung
guy in round 7. And like there were all these
pockets, like in the fourth round, the second round were
these running back, there was a running back run and they were
just screwed. Like we don't know if that was
really their plan or not to just wait until round 7 to get a
back. And So what Jeff was saying is
basically like they kind of panicked.
They only had five minutes on the clock, obviously to make the
pick. And they're like, yeah, we'll
just get Top Gun or board. We'll just get Luther burden.
But I think just like, like, I, I, I trust Ben Johnson to get
him open and if you get Luther Burden open, he's probably the
best player of the ball in his hands in this draft class.
And that's really, really intriguing.
So that's why I think that that we should be into him.
Yeah, I I got to get more burden.
I have 0 burden so far and I'm pretty sad about it.
So if you're in my league, you can take advantage of me.
And he'll, he'll fall just 'cause you have that kind of
mishmash of a tear. You have some guys grabbing a
quarterback here, some guys grabbing a tight end.
You know, you get the running back guys like I, I got Burden
at at 22 and that wasn't even a tight end premium league.
So yeah, there's, there's some nice prices on him.
Danny, you got the last pick of the first round here where
you're going at 1:12. So I guess Jackson Dart is set
to come off the board sometime soon here.
I'm not going to do that though. I'm a little bit worried about
somebody mentioned it earlier. I think like the situation is a
bit weird where they have Russell Wilson and Jameis and
Winston likely, I guess ostensibly starting this year.
And and a coach who is like clearly coaching for his job.
Right. And AGM that's coaching for his
job. So there could be, you know, a
situation where after one year the GM and the coach are gone.
If if, if everything goes horribly for the Giants, which
it could, then you come in and and you have like a new coaching
staff. Maybe they don't love Jack
Sidart. I feel like he's one of, of all
the quarterbacks in this class, He was the guy who probably
needs the most like development time in terms of just adapting
to an NFL offense and dropping back and having to read the read
the field and read the defense and all that stuff.
I think he does have a lot of potential ultimately, but I'm
just kind of worried about the situation.
I'm trying to avoid that. So I'm going to go back to the
tight end position here. Tyler Warren.
Bully tight end strategy from David.
Draft I'm a little, I guess like I this is probably why I have
just in inordinate amounts of Tyler Warren and Colson Loveland
and drafts this year because everybody else is maybe I think
a little bit more worried about the situation for for Warren.
But I've comped I was comping him to like a Dallas Goddard
type of player before the draft. I know some people see that as
kind of like an ick, but just the way that they, the way the
Eagles that was. That was my first.
That was my first reaction was. Yeah, I know.
It's obviously you'd rather have, you know.
Tight end 10 ass comped. You know, you'd rather have
somebody awesome like Kittle or whatever, but I guess the way
that they will utilize him is very similar in Indianapolis.
Shane Steiken comes from that same offensive tree or whatever
and basically getting him involved in the screen game,
getting him involved in, you know, quick game, get the ball
out of the hands of the quarterback quickly.
I know that Richardson was insanely inaccurate and had a
had trouble last year completing passes.
Somebody made the joke too that Tyler Warren is the perfect pick
for the Colts because when Richardson gets tired he can
just go out and play quarterback and just do like Wildcat stuff,
which is hilarious. Makes me.
Hate YouTube commenters. Anytime anyone has ever
mentioned him playing quarterback it does make me just
like and how did I get here in my life.
Let the let the record show. We actually love you guys to
comment on these videos. Do not listen to Davis.
Really helps the show out. Hit the like button while you're
there. I could.
Be selling I could be selling insurance at State Farm just get
off the clock every day at 5:00 I'm home.
You know, you guys ever think about it might be.
Sweet. Danny.
What? What is what?
What is your backup plan if if fantasy football doesn't work
out, Didn't work? Out I'm I'm literally not
qualified to do anything else, Danny.
There is my plan is there is no plan.
That's when you turn to just like boosting up your wife to be
the best her that she can possibly.
I have, I have a degree in English literature from a state
school. Man, I, I can't.
I can't do nothing. Davis's plan is seeing if late
round quarterback is doing well enough that David Kitchen needs
an assistant. Does David Kitchen need an
assistant? JJ just has like a rushing
nesting nesting doll of of assistance.
Of of fantasy football flame outs.
J JS Home for wayward fantasy football time.
Fantasy. Wayward fantasy.
Boys. JJ becomes this like messiotic
figure who's willing to take all the strays.
Speaking of strays, which which second round faller do you want
to welcome into the late round? QB home here with pick 13 we can
pick up the pace on these so we can can get through.
I'll pass on Jackson Dart because Danny might pass on the
game theory there. I'm going to go Matthew.
I'm going to go Matthew Golden here.
I I definitely have concerns about his production profile,
but like I said before, he's still an early declare.
I think if he would have gone back, he would have had a much
better senior season and you know, draft capitals there.
And I love the landing spot in Green Bay where Christian
Watson's going to be out for most of the season after that
ACL. So then Golden can play on the
perimeter of Jaden reading the slot, Romeo Dubs on the other
side of the field and both Dubs and Christian Watson are on
their on their final year, their rookie deal.
So I think as soon as next year he could be by far the obvious
kind of go to target and then offense.
So I think Golden's a solid pick and I know that the fantasy
community is pretty analytics and numbers driven and they're
kind of turned off. But if you kind of adjust it all
and you look at where he, you know, his draft capital and all
that, he's still a really solid prospect overall.
Sometimes you just gotta go. That boy nice.
Yeah, And that boy is nice. That's right.
His intro, his intro at the actual draft where they're going
go back, go, yeah, go back, go for like a full like it was like
a a reliever walking on in the bottom of the ninth.
You know what I mean? It took took forever.
And I was just like, this was it was the most amazing moment of
any draft you've ever seen. I think.
So. Like that alone makes me just
want to kind of bet on golden, even though I I kind of have a
similar view. I think is a lot of of fantasy
players that the analytics are pretty tough.
And I don't know if like does the Packer, do the Packers need
like a sixth number two on their roster?
I don't know, but maybe he can develop into #1 I think.
How about catchers? A game-winning walk off
touchdown on 4th and fourteen in a College Football Playoff game.
Do we like that type of stuff? I thought this was gonna be a
Jeff Janis anecdote. When?
He started it. I also I also think that like
his production profile, at least the stuff that I look at like it
was bad for sure, but it's not like as bad like it.
He actually kind of comped with like breakout score and and such
to Ladd Mcconkey with with my with with a ZAP model.
And I know if you like look at like yards per out run and yards
per team pass attempt, Mcconkey like beasted in terms of yards
per out run because they just didn't use them as much as they
should have at Georgia. But golden, I think at least has
some of that kind of like like can play inside out.
You know, I know Mcconkey's going to play more inside, but
he has that. I mean, Mcconkey has good speed
too, which is another reason why that comp kind of makes some
sense. So I I think golden is is solid.
All right, Danny, back on the clock, are you in the Judkins
spot that I was here with Dart or you going to go another
direction? I'm going to go in another
direction I think here, even though, you know, my team is
just already pretty stacked at at quarterbacks.
Well, I know where you're going then.
I'll just put Harold Fanning. I'm going to go with Caleb
Johnson, I guess, here. Yeah.
Sniping JJ on his Steelers man, that is.
Cruel. Yeah.
Well, he, you know, he's like trying to play, you know,
dynasty game theory with me. So there we go.
He's rejecting my trains like the gamer fighting you, this
guy. 'S not gonna not gonna let him
do the Homer thing here and take care of it.
I just think like Caleb Johnson was a player that I really liked
coming into the draft, but it was very obvious or it seems
obvious that he's going to need a good landing spot in terms of
scheme to to kind of like hit his peak and I think the
Steelers are certainly one of the better places he could have
landed. You know with Arthur Smith com
plays you know it's obviously going to be a pretty run heavy
offense I would imagine with whoever they have at
quarterback. I guess it's probably going to
be Aaron Rodgers, which does worry me a little bit for Caleb
Johnson year one, just based on the way that they're the run
game. This is something that Nate Tice
pointed out last year for The Jets and it was just it.
I could never get over it and never like not see it.
But the way that Aaron Rodgers runs the offense, it's all I'm
going to go to the line, look at everything, make a bunch of
like, you know, audibles and do like a three-step drop back and
whatever, get rid of the football.
And it like really effed up their run game because they
can't do nearly, they can't have nearly as much variety and all
that stuff in the run game in terms of like running a normal
looking offense. It's all just like basically the
Aaron Rodgers offense. So that does worry me just
slightly in year 1. But you know, regardless, I
think Caleb Johnson landing with the Steelers, great fit.
I think immediately it's going to be at the very least to put
like a complimentary option or or whatever, like a platoon with
Jalen Warren. So he's going to get early
production, good tackle breaker in terms of what he does in that
scheme where he's really good at getting to the outside once he
gets a little bit of speed, picking the lane and and going
down downhill, downhill, breaking arm tackles, things
like that. He has good build up speed to to
hit the home run. Tons of big plays last year.
So I don't know, I just he's a player that I thought looked
really, really exciting and I thought he landed in a good
spot. If he could have just ran a 449,
everyone would be. But but he's but but.
Falling down trying to be highest on him.
Yeah, but the only reason why people aren't is because, like
he still had a one O 2 speed score.
Like which is fine. He's big.
Yeah, I know. But like, that's what I'm
saying. It's like his speed score was
fine and it's his his even his raw 40 wasn't anything to be
like overly overly concerned about.
It wasn't like, what was it? Who's the Panthers running back
who ran like a 4/8? Was it Holyfield?
Yeah, I mean, there's been multiples, but a lot of that did
run really slow. He ran like a four nine.
It wasn't like that. But no, I, I I love like the ZAP
model had his top 2 comps as Le'veon Bell and James Conner
and then of course draft them. So like like it's the most
Pittsburgh Steelers back of all time And and like Jalen Warren's
a free agent next year. Like if.
He's gonna have 4 consecutive seasons of 1400 scrimmage yards
and it's like no one even cares. I like this guy's just going to
be better than Quin Shawn Judkins.
Like I think we could all can we just be honest here?
He's better than Quin Shawn Judkins.
I mean, I had him ranked higher. Going into the draft, I think I
I had them as at least comparable players.
Yeah. But like draft capital still
speaks to some degree here. But yeah, the model loves, loves
Caleb Johnson. If you look at what I call low
risk players, just based on what does that model says versus
where they're drafted, and he's a low risk player.
If you look at round 3 low risk players since 2011, there's been
10 of them, 10 running Max. Four of the 10 gave us RB one
seasons, which is crazy because it's the third round where we
see tons of of bricks all the time.
So yeah. And and Jalen Warren being a
free agent next year. If Caleb Johnson shows up, he
could be a bell cow in 2026. All right, JJ, you get to double
tap here at 1516. Let the record show.
These should have been my picks if JJ was willing to trade up
for Quinshawn Judkins, but I'm over it.
Who are? You taking?
I should have done it. I should have really done it.
I'll go Jackson Dart with the first one.
I'll finally get him off the board.
I actually think that Dart is more in like from a superflex
standpoint. He's like the the turn.
Yeah, I think that he he should go higher, but but a lot of that
to me is more so like I do think that upside wise probably has
even more than Cam Ward if things really, really hit for
him because there is sort of that mobility factor a little
bit more. And that like sort sort of like
D gaffe Josh Allen this to him that like maybe that could
really transform and he could be a double digit touchdown guy on
the ground if you know if things hit.
But the other thing too is that like, like we talked about it
earlier these then the one thing that like we didn't, I mean we
kind of talked about, but but not fully, is that quarterbacks
like this generally maintain dynasty value incredibly,
incredibly well. And it's not just the situation
with Cam Ward and how everything can can sort of work out because
he's the clear QB one this year. And there's not many other
quarterbacks and such like Kenny Pickett, Zach Wilson.
The only guy who didn't really maintain dynasty value over the
last like decade at quarterback that was a first round pick was
Bryce Young. And it took Bryce Young
literally one of the world, as we said earlier, one of the
worst rookie quarterback seasons ever for him to fall the way
that he did. And then he ended up bouncing
back. But I'll just go Jackson Dart
here. That's that's my analysis for
him. And who are you going with at
16? This one's kind of tough because
I think that there is kind of a tear break here.
I'm I'll just go with Jayden Higgins.
I think that you can make the argument for like a Trey Harris
here even like I really like Bashal Tootin, so I could even
go that direction. But I'll go Higgins.
You know, I had Harmon on my podcast to talk wide receivers
pre draft and one of the things that he mentioned with Higgins
that he saw him as a power slot, which is Matt Harmon speak for.
I don't think he's as good as other people think that he is.
You know, he he said the same thing with like a Keon Coleman
last year, which ended up being exactly right.
Like Keon Coleman should not be a perimeter receiver.
And that's where how the Bills are going to be using him, you
know, moving forward because they just signed Khalil Shakur.
But the thing that I like about Higgins, at first, I was really
excited when he got drafted in Round 2 because they hadn't
drafted Jalen Knoll yet. And I was like, oh, wow, powers
like, like Harmon was right. Like he could, they could, they
could really get versatile with the way that they're, they're
deploying him and lining him at the line of scrimmage.
But obviously they, they went and they drafted Jalen Noel,
they have Christian Kirk. So I think Higgins is going to
play opposite of Nico Collins, But I think that's probably a
good thing. I, I, I don't think that that
Higgins is necessarily going to be some stud X, you know, at the
next level. But if he has, if he's not asked
to be that, which he's not going to be in Houston, I think that's
a, a good thing. Overall, It's a, it's a landing
spot where he could hypothetically see a 20% target
share in year 1. I'm I'm bullish on a bounce
back, you know, with with Bobby slow it gone in in Houston.
So I'll go Jaden Higgins here because I think, you know, I I
think that his year one could actually be OK.
And then there's Upside too, if things were to happen to like
Nico and such. All right, Davis, the chat
earlier. Davis, you got to cook.
This next one up, do something crazy here, Davis.
They want you to go full wild card at pick 17 and 18.
All right. Well, first up, give me beshell
tooten, please. University of Virginia Tech
North Carolina A&T Jacksonville Jaguar starting running back
again. Like, we can stop pretending
that Travis ETN is any good. And you can also, you can also
all stop pretending that you've done a deep dive on Tank
Bigsby's 2024 film. Like just completely miss me
with the dude. You actually look Bigsby.
Really enough, enough Travis ETN.
Travis ETN has Duck Deep. Right.
Not even gonna tell us what they're saying about him.
Oh actually bakes me. Really improved his pad level,
his hip. Swivel's phenomenal in Year 2.
OK, David, David's a sports wunderkind back in the day, was
doing that exact kind of analysis.
And that guy was a Dick. JJ, that guy, that guy was a
Dick. He learned.
He learned his lesson. I think Vishal Tootin is the
best example in this draft class of how the fact that there were
25 good running backs impacted draft capital.
It's why we saw a run of what, 8 running backs got selected in
round four and they were all like cascading one after
another. And in fact, the Texans were so
afraid on missing out that they traded a future 3rd to go get
woody marks because they were like, oh shit, the run's
happening now. So we we got to go do it.
So I don't really care. The Tooten scataboo, these guys
have round 4 draft capital. To me, I'm like the Tooten is
going to have just as much of a crack at being was starting
running back for this team as if he would have been taken with
the Caleb Johnson pick for the Jaguars.
And even if you grant that Bigsby did get much better in
year 2, ETN is is his fifth year option got picked up by the old
regime I think maybe even 2 regimes ago if I if I remember
correctly. That's wrong.
He got drafted 3 regimes ago. The option was picked up by by
the former regime. Tootin is is he's going to be
the one that you look back and you go how is this guy?
How did Davis get this guy, dude?
Yeah, we'll be looking at this. They're all going to be saying.
That hey God, is this comment from my guy Charlie?
Is this sarcasm? Danny, do you like Tootin or do
you actually? Love him.
Oh, we're all we're all tootin folks.
We're all rootin for tootin. Out there, we're all rooting for
Tootin. No, I, I really like him.
He he's, he is on the spectrum of Devon E Chan.
You know this, You know this. The scene from Talladega Nights
where Molly Shannon is like when the cars.
Go by. That's Danny watching, too.
That's like there's only been a few running backs that make me
do that and Devon A Chan was one of them before the draft and
then he landed in the net spot with with Miami and, and I think
this could be a great spot for him.
Obviously the Liam Cohen connection with, with Bucky
Irving last year in terms of trusting a young guy, a middle
round guy. JJ, I think you tweeted
something like a couple weeks ago that was like a table of day
three running backs versus day 2 receivers.
Was that you in terms of like the hit rate?
Yeah, the hit rates were bad when you like like the the round
two wide receivers are better than day three running backs,
which isn't round four. I think I might have just said
round 4 running backs like some some pick range, but like to be
clear, like in like in the ZAP model and stuff like I'm just
putting rod draft capital and he was one O 4 overall.
So like he still looks really, really good.
He actually has a better score in the model than RJ Harvey has,
which is not easy to do. Yeah, not easy to to do whenever
you're, you know, a day three pick.
But Tooting man, like actually the the comp that I had in the
model was, was your boy Kenneth Walker.
I know, I think that actually also made me really excited
about it when I see it. Wasn't it something like to do
with Speed Score and? And size and speed score, yeah,
like, like there's a lot and, and even like they're, they both
had pretty good breakout scores, which is adjusted like receiving
arts for team past 10. Like the like Tooting's
receiving profile is really good for like a guy that's his size
and then you add on the speed and I think that the combination
of him and tank Bigsby actually makes a lot of sense.
Like just from like a a backfield tandem standpoint and
and Travis ETN could be traded like before the season starts,
which would be nuts. Or or just cut.
They did it to Fournette, same team.
Yeah, I I don't have a. They're going to have to keep 1
of ETN or Bixby though. Davis, you're going to have to
decide which which one of their trash.
No dude, they took, they took Laquint Allen two man.
Yeah, I was going to say, they're just going to be.
A Laquint Allen is better than both of them too.
Real. So real.
Yeah. Quint Allen.
I'm about to take him with my next pick.
Yeah, who? Who is your next pick Speaking
of? I wanted to do something weird,
I want to do something fun for the chat and there are no
consequences here, so I'll just take Jaden Blue.
Yeah, you're not kidding. How was your shot?
Jaden Blue. Jaden Blue actively sucks.
Jaden Blue is still true. Suck.
No, we would have never known Jaden Blue.
Who? We wouldn't even know who this
dude was if CJ Baxter didn't tear his ACL.
OK, OK. I thought you.
Were talking about this dude. This dude was the running back
four on the Texas Longhorns, and now he's about to be the running
back one on the Dallas Cowboys, which is such a perfect
encapsulation of the Dallas. Calvin the Texas The Texas
backfield was legit better than like all but one backfield in
the NFL. Even want this is killing me.
It's just like I, I'm sure you guys have had this experience in
dynasty leagues before where you have a million guys who are
exactly Trey Harris on your dynasty league.
You have 8 wide receivers. All of them are ranked in
between wide receiver 24 and wide receiver 36 on keep trade
cut. And you're like, these dudes
suck. I don't want to start any of
them. Yeah, at least with Jayden Blue,
you'll be like, Jayden Blue comes out Week 2.
Javonte totally sucks. Week 1 Blue comes out week 211
rushes, 112 yards and a touchdown.
He's immediately. He's immediately.
I love the ball. Oh my God if if Reddit didn't
like by RJ Harvey. This is this is going in the
newsletter next week. I'll go ahead and take Cam
Scatibow. At 19.
An actual good running back? Josh McDaniels.
Did Jayden Blue run two 40s before Cam Scatibow finished his
first? One I have to say with Jayden
Blue, I do have to say like the the the ZAP model like loves
Jayden Blue like like and which is not a normal thing usually.
Speak on that. Confirm my priors.
Really good, really good receiving numbers.
So it it just likes. Him.
No, he. You.
You're not understanding. I hate Jaden Blue.
I think he stinks. He doesn't stink.
He's, he's actually, I think he's actually good.
Dude, he got benched for a guy named Contravian Wizner.
Hey, Wizner popped. Yeah, Wizner popped a little
bit. No, I think, I think Blue's
decent man. I mean, like he's, he's clearly
just like a sort of scat backy kind of player.
Like. Yeah, Justice Hill is probably
is is was my comp I think, but imagine.
But here's the thing. Imagine Justice Hill when is RB?
One is Javonte Williams. Right, exactly.
Thank you for making the case for my pick for.
Me. I mean, it's a terrible pick,
18th overall. Yeah, but that's the part we got
to register. All right, Daddy, pick 20 here.
Get us back on track. Davis doing the wild thing makes
me have to do something boring here I feel like.
Yeah, Congrats on on Jayden Higgins or or Jaylen Knoll.
Higgins is off the board, by the way.
I wasn't paying attention so. This is this one I guess comes
down to if I'm looking at my ranks and trying to be real to
them, it comes down to Jack Besh or Trey Harris.
I think Harris probably is better analytically, but I'm
going to go with Jack Besh here because of vibes.
Purely vibes I. Love those vibes.
Speak on those vibes. He is the perfect Pete Carroll
guy in terms of Pete Carroll's looked at grit as like a big
deal in his program for a long time.
Obviously, Jack Besh went through tragedy when he lost his
brother in the terrorist attack in New Orleans and then
immediately turned around and was the MVP of the Senior Bowl.
You know, obviously there's a lot to unpack there, but him
being able to play through that I think showed a lot of like,
you know, ability to get through adversity.
And I think Pete Carroll loves that also.
He's just if, if he can come in and be like, I think I think he
has the opportunity to come in and be like a high volume guy in
that offense right away. Just because they don't have
enough ton of other playmakers. I don't know what Jacoby Meyer's
contract situation is. Does he?
Is he up in a year or two? I think God that's not what I
meant exactly. The vibes are out of control for
him going like basically since the end of the season he's shot.
Up for the The best haters The best haters, including Peter,
are just totally going to have to to my.
My best hate is his his best ball price right now I'm fine
with Jack Bash and and Dynas. He hate the ADP, not the player,
right? Yeah.
Jacoby Myers had like 4 1/2 good games after Devonte Adams got
traded. You're going to keep losing
their minds. Pete's passing on a player who
outperformed Malik Neighbors and Brian Thomas Junior.
And Trey Palmer. And Trey Palmer and Brian Thomas
Junior. Davis thinks Jacoby Myers is
Tank Bigsby. Like the way he talks about him
it's. Myers is AI.
Think Myers is a free agent next year?
Yeah. So, so I don't know, I just
think, you know, add in I liked him a lot doing his prospect
profile. Then I'll add in.
I think Matt Harmon's absolutely glowing account of how he wins
against man end zone. I'm just like, I don't know, I,
I just I'm willing to bet on that right now in this draft.
I think, you know, earlier this is about as early as I'll go
with like this kind of tier of receivers.
I unfortunately got a whole bunch of Jalen Knoll on pre
draft rookie drafts and then him falling to third round and being
like whatever the wide receiver 16 or whatever it was coming,
you know, coming out of the draft is a pretty big bummer.
But so I did think about Jalen Noel here too, but I think
that's just a longer bet at this point.
I feel like everyone needs to go to and Google who's Houston
Texans are lads and look at their wide receiver depth chart.
They're it's insane how many wide receivers they have on that
team right now. Like it, it, it's mind blowing.
But also Jack Besh, people are gonna fall in love with him
'cause he's like a puka where he just throws his body around, you
know, just like aimlessly. Look, look at all the they have.
They have 16 wide receivers. Justin Watson and saw the
Texans, now they. Have so many wide receivers it's
crazy. That's they they had like Tank
Del got injured in that game against the Chiefs and they're
like, this will never happen to us again.
We will get 14 wide. Receivers.
All right, I'll, I'll do Trey Harris.
I'm pretty stoked on him playing opposite LAD in this offense.
I mean, obviously you have the concerns that they're just gonna
run the shit out of the ball and it was already kind of low
volume with LAD, but immediately gonna be on the field.
Not even much other competition via the tight end for targets
like he should immediately be the the number 2 target earner
there. So I think that's pretty
exciting. I think there's a few different
ways you could go there or with this next pick, I will do the
Jalen Knoll thing here. I think there's like some fun
the way that they drafted both of these guys.
Like even though all of us, I think, and the market and the
draft capital all prefer Higgins, I don't think it's like
outlandish to think that that Knoll could end up being the
better of the two over the longer term.
Christian Kirk I think might be more of a short term roadblock
as far as playing in the slot, but Jalen Knoll is the long term
slot wide receiver and I won't even call him a power slot.
I'll just call him a slot I. Think that could work out?
But Davis, you got another trick shot for the crowd at 23.
Yeah. Can I get a clarification?
It's just tight in premium. People do.
I mean, if it's not, Danny's team is in shambles.
All. Right.
Give me Mason Taylor. Did you know that he's Jason
Taylor's shit? Is he son?
Son. He he better tighten.
That Zach Thomas nephew. So now that Allen, now that
Allen Lazard is going to the Pittsburgh Steelers, the the
second target for The Jets is just like you want to talk.
It's the reverse of the tax and step chart.
They actually just have no one. They're actually just no
available watch. Malachi Corley, Eraser.
Yeah, Racer. Nicole Hardman unironic would
be. Aryan Smith.
Aryan Oh, that was that was the worst pick right of the.
Draft. That was the that was probably
the worst pick of the entire draft, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mason Taylor.
Yeah, crowd. Crowd surprised over Fannin over
Arroyo. For Terrence Ferguson, Terrence
Ferguson's my my guy, like myself, loves Terrence Ferguson.
He's he's a, he's a freak athlete, but.
Les, Les Sneed said. Yeah, whenever Tyler Higbee
retires, we'll be glad we have to Ferguson.
Direct quote, Yeah. Direct.
Well, this is a dynasty. Draft Davis.
You get him for the duration of his career.
Who, how, who knows how long this league is going to run like
I don't. Know who might not be alive?
Who knows how long, how long Tyler Higbee is going to be in
the NFL? All right, final pick of the
second round here. Danny.
Who do you want to sneak in? Make it fun.
Well, I'm not going to do OK, make it fun.
I'm gonna give you I'm I'm also gonna give everyone a chance to
make it fun. Right after this.
I'll let you do your your favorite player who Sleeper who
wasn't drafted third fourth round type.
Got it, got it, got it, got it. Let's see here.
I think so the boring pick would be 1 of Elijah Arroyo, Terrence
Ferguson or Kyle Williams. I'm gonna go with Jalen Milro.
Just just I think this is the range ish.
He's going maybe like early 3rd. It just depends on how excited
you are about this possibility. But I think he's the one
quarterback in this class that you kind of ignore the third
round draft capital and just look at what he could be if he
does end up starting. I think in Seattle it's a
perfect landing spot for him because I he's not going to be
required to start right away and Sam Darnold will be there for a
year, maybe 2 years. But I don't think the Seahawks
see Sam Darnold as the long term option.
I don't think anyone really is deluding themselves into
believing Sam Darnold is a long term franchise savior type of
quarterback. And I don't know, I just like
the idea of Melro sitting for two years and and being able to
come out and, you know, he has that superhero upside as a
runner that, you know, even if he's Justin Fields level passer,
he could still be AQB one if he starts for a year.
So just kind of bank, bank on the upside, hope for the upside.
Yeah, I like that pick. Let's do real quick.
Everybody gets one sleeper, their favorite sleeper, third,
fourth round. Davis already took his pick 18.
But KJ, do you do you have a favorite third or fourth round?
A guy you are scooping up a bunch of.
Yeah, I mean, look, in this draft, I would my next guy would
have been Kyle Williams if we if we were if we were going to keep
drafting. But but I want to give you.
My real original. My, my, that's not my, that's
not my my go to here, Davis. I'm just making the comment
about Kyle Williams. I'm going to say a guy that I
loved as a day three sleeper before the draft and then he
found what I think is a really good spot is Jarquez Hunter out
of Auburn going to to the Rams. He's the same exact kind of size
as what we get out of like Blake Quorum and Kyron Williams.
And if you look at how that that honestly, that coaching tree
kind of looks at their running Max, they they typically will
rotate like by Dr. rather than down in distance.
And when you look at Hunter, he's sort of a copy paste of
Kyron Williams, Blake Quorum, except he's actually explosive
and they don't have that in that backfield at all.
He had one of the best breakout scores in this year's class
according to that model. I just I love the spot and I
think that he's immediately could be better than than than
Blake Quorum and Kyron Williams could be gone next year.
So then all of a sudden dark Wes Hunter could be the the starting
running back for the Rams in 2026.
Love it. Danny Favorite deep sleeper in
these drafts. This is a guy that I took a
whole bunch before the draft and then I guess the landing spot
was decent and it's Jordan James out of Oregon, landed with the
49ers, obviously blocked in the short term in theory with
Christian McCaffrey and Isaac Arendo.
But I think Mccaffrey's just such a wild card.
You know, he had two Achilles injuries last year, kept him off
the field almost the entire season.
Who knows what's going to happen with him this year.
He's getting up there in age. The 49ers are in a bit of like a
transitional period, I think, in terms of resetting the roster,
resetting the defense. Maybe, you know, Christian
McCaffrey just doesn't last long in San Francisco.
I think Jordan James is a, is kind of like a, He reminds me a
lot of Jordan Mason in terms of sort of just a rugged short
squat, you know, body type runs really, really hard, breaks a
lot of tackles, doesn't have a ton of long speed, but just kind
of has good vision, picks the right holes.
And, you know, I think he's just going to get yards where he's
supposed to, which I, I am now just projecting this.
But I think Kyle Shanahan is going to like that.
He's the type, he just seems like the type of running back
Kyle Shanahan will like just because he gets what's there and
isn't going to like dance around too much and, and do any of the
type of BS that that Shanahan never puts up with.
So, you know, obviously you have to wait a little a while for it
to pan out probably. But Jordan James is a guy that I
would keep in mind in the fourth round.
Love it, Davis, who's your sleeper?
Heart answer Prashard Smith head answer Woody Marks yeah, he's a
he he he sucks like he really sucks, but they traded they
traded he's. Picking all the players he
thinks suck. They traded no blue.
Blue at least has like a trait like Mark, yeah.
Mark's, Mark's got a ton of passes.
I mean, it was Mike Leach in his offense resting, right?
Yeah, so did. So did DeAndre.
Washington and Max Borgie. Right.
Oh my God, I still and Max Borgie signed.
There's a Williams guy, wouldn't think.
Yeah, yeah, there was. Oh, oh, What was his name?
From Wazoo. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But actually Max Borghi was was Woody Mark's top comp in the
model, which was. Hilarious like I like I'm saying
like he he like I would not be surprised if he like actually
like doesn't play, but. James Williams.
He was he was on the Chiefs
practice squad. That was when I first started
like prospecting and I was like, I really like this guy, like as
I had no idea what I'm doing. And then I learned about Mike
Leach very quickly. Yeah, I'll do.
My guy I'm pretty intrigued by is Pat Bryant, apparently a
glutton for punishment with the Sean Payton guys you hate.
Marvin Mims, dude. No, I The thing is, I love.
Marvin, Devon. Vailey.
But Marvin Mims is 4 foot 12 and Pat Bryant is his new Michael
Thomas, according to Sean Payton.
So we know Sean Payton, despite drafting a bunch of small,
lightweight wide receivers, is a size queen, and Pat Bryant fits
the bill. I kind of like just the
ambiguity, the mystery box upside there.
And we know he will give any wide receiver a shot.
You do not have to worry about Pat Bryant not seeing the field.
This man found room for little Jordan Humphrey in the wide
receiver rotation. He'll find some room for Pat
Bryant to see if he's got anything.
I like it. All right, I appreciate you guys
so much for for hanging out with us.
JJ let people know. Updated late round prospect
guide, David Kitchen, Pantone colors, the whole 9 yards.
Where do they get it? Yeah, if you want to check out
all of David Kitchen's work, check out Late Round dot.
Com. You can you can purchase the
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that guide this year. That's right.
You the tree is now or no, the guide is now part of David
Kitchen's. That's right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Danny, we got the Ringer Draft
Guide, one of my favorite, like aesthetic.
With all due respect to David Kitchen's work, I mean the
aesthetics and the layout. The UI on the Ringer Draft Guide
is is awesome. I appreciate that I wrote it
all. I'm actually responsible for it.
So I'm not actually I don't, I don't get to take any credit
for. That you wrote the words that.
Are I did write the words. You didn't mention the words
though. No, I.
Love the words. Yeah, check out that and then
check out The Ringer Fantasy Football Show, my podcast, which
we are going to do about once a week during the summer, but then
we ramp back up to four times a week during the preseason and
season. Great, great show.
Love it. Davis, what do you have going on
here? I'll have a members only stream
tomorrow. Good stuff.
I have to have videos up on my channel.
If you if you want to check out some videos you don't like 3
hour live streams, there's some shorter, more digestible content
you can find there. Beautiful, beautiful.
I'll be back with Best ball breakfast on my channel on
Monday. Neil Orfield, who just I saw
past the baton a dynasty roster to JJ will be guesting on there
along with Leonie and Pat Hope everybody has a great Friday and
rest of your weekend. Wish your mother's a happy
Mother's Day as well and we will see you guys next time on ship
chasing peace.