1 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:05,960 Hello everyone, and welcome to a special August 19th edition of 2 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,080 ADP Chasing. We've got tons of preseason news 3 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:11,800 to discuss. Kayla Williams, is he 4 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,960 generational? Keenan Allen, is he from the 5 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:18,520 Silent Generation Chief squad? Receivers just moving 6 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:22,360 chaotically throughout the AD PS Sam Darnold's a starter now. 7 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,440 Tons of stuff to break down. We have a special guest, Roto 8 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,680 Pat Pat Doherty of Roto Roll Football to help us break it all 9 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:30,320 down. Let's do it. 10 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:33,840 ADP chasing is for when you watch ship chasing, you go, 11 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:35,640 these guys are just football guys and. 12 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,200 The targets for outrun leagues, that's going to be really nice. 13 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:39,600 Actually back in if it's Austinette. 14 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:43,080 Let's share to our crystal ball. Close your eyes, you know all 15 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:44,600 your entries are going to lose anyway. 16 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:46,160 Yeah. That's fair. 17 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:47,520 This is a Dusvan show. It's. 18 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:50,360 Anti cabal. It's anti the best ball thought 19 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:52,480 leader. I'm obviously lying to some 20 00:00:52,480 --> 00:00:55,080 degree because like, I have a lot of both of these guys. 21 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:57,480 It's the most disgusting thing you can make. 22 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:06,200 But man, welcome everyone. Pat, thanks for joining us 23 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:07,720 today. I'm I'm really happy I didn't 24 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,480 butcher your name and the cold open or maybe I did. 25 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:14,880 What's what's your take on? You you you take just don't 26 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:16,080 think about it. Just say it. 27 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:20,680 Become one with the the kind of the blackout and act like you've 28 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:22,920 never spoken faster in your life and you will say dirty 29 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:24,760 correctly. Oh yeah, that's good. 30 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:26,200 Yeah. Feel like I nailed that. 31 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:28,280 Is it? Is it Irish? 32 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:30,480 Scottish. You better believe it's Irish 33 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,640 folks. OO Doggerty. 34 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:35,600 At some point the O gets dropped. 35 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,920 The A and the O after the D gets swapped. 36 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:40,680 Just kind of depends on the generation. 37 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:42,640 This is not a joke, one of my best. 38 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,520 Friends in it. Yeah, so there you go. 39 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:50,560 One of my best friends is named Patrick Doherty and the the 40 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:52,680 Irish they have We have a limited pool of names. 41 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,400 Yeah, that's true. I think this is a pretty popular 42 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,240 one about. Nine different ways to spell 43 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,640 Sean. And then there's Patrick, and 44 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,400 then a lot of different ways to stylize Doherty or or or 45 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,280 Doggerty. Although the Irish name's a big 46 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:09,080 takeover, Liam Finn, these are like the most popular names in 47 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,320 the country right now. Finn is having a moment. 48 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:13,760 Liam's been having a several decades long moment. 49 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:15,160 Yeah, yeah. And I want. 50 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:19,280 To Finnegan was like my number one kids name for a long time 51 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,880 because of Finnegan's wake, but now it's like a it's like too 52 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:23,800 much. Yeah. 53 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:25,640 It's like no one would get the reference. 54 00:02:25,640 --> 00:02:27,440 They'd be like, oh, you just named your kid an Instagram 55 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,520 name, who needs that? Not name name. 56 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,040 It's a sadly real concept. Instagram name? 57 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:36,160 Yeah. Yeah. 58 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,240 So yeah, we'll, we'll get right into it today. 59 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:43,720 Lots of stuff to discuss. We had, I noticed, you know, 60 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:45,920 Pete, he has a team that puts the thumbnails together. 61 00:02:45,920 --> 00:02:47,440 He put the bears on the thumbnail here. 62 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,440 And then I realized we had no bears in the ADP drivers and 63 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:54,200 followers segments, so had to artificially kind of shoehorn 64 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,320 them in. But I wanted to have the Keenan 65 00:02:56,320 --> 00:03:00,280 Allen conversation first. Well, he'll, he'll be on the 66 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,640 Fallers next week. I, I just took him. 67 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,120 I just took him at 75 in a slow draft. 68 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,160 And you know, I mean, virtual world obviously crushing the 69 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,000 news, but this is the most I've ever seen you guys blur about 70 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:17,000 diabetes. Way way way way too soon. 71 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:17,760 Way way. Way. 72 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:22,200 Too soon is it? Mid 30s is when it happens dude. 73 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:27,360 That's a good point you. Know Alan, It's Pat. 74 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,600 It's a long tradition. You and I are very familiar with 75 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,080 this, of men moving from the coast to the Midwest and 76 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:36,840 immediately gaining 15 lbs. Immediately gaining. 50 and not. 77 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:38,520 This pizza man, it sticks to you. 78 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,320 Not built for this. And yeah, I mean, it's not just 79 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,320 what you do eat, it's what you don't eat. 80 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,400 The idea of vegetables, you know, a bit of a, you know, like 81 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:47,920 that's like that's a coastal thing. 82 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:53,120 Fruit, another coastal thing, you know, non ultra ultra 83 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:54,840 processed foods, a coastal thing. 84 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:58,280 So yeah, we, we eat as you're supposed as Americans are 85 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,360 supposed to eat. It's how we eat here in the 86 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:01,760 Midwest and the Great Lakes region. 87 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:02,960 I did talk about that in the pod. 88 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:04,880 Keenan Allen moved to Chicago once. 89 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:09,400 Yeah, well, by the way too, like LA to Chicago would be about as 90 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,480 big of a kind of a weight gain move as you would expect, so. 91 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:16,040 I I just spent the weekend in Chicago and I can confirm. 92 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,839 I mean I left like 4 lbs heavier 11 weekend like one weekend. 93 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:20,680 It. Takes it. 94 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:22,760 It gets you, yeah. Yeah, so it does. 95 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,320 It does seem realistic, moving from LA to Chicago to gain some 96 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,400 weight. The The funny thing about this, 97 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:30,680 this how this all started. It basically just started with 98 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:34,280 Albert Brier just kind of like having a throwaway comment in 99 00:04:34,280 --> 00:04:37,600 one of his articles saying that yeah, Keenan Allen's 230 lbs 100 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:40,960 From being in the the ETR slack and now that. 101 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,920 I don't know, did he just was that vibes? 102 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:46,960 Like no. So that's. 103 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,840 That's what we thought. But I I know Evan, Evan Silva 104 00:04:49,840 --> 00:04:51,880 followed up with Brier about this. 105 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,400 And I think what he said is that it was pitched to him by the 106 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:58,720 team that this was a good thing, that Keenan Allen was big, that 107 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:00,880 that like no other context in that. 108 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,600 But yeah, I mean, he's training for the Will Disley role in 109 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,720 Shane Waldron's offenses. But many of you are speculating. 110 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:13,360 Sam, this is the perfect hyper niche best ball story for you 111 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,880 because it's just hating it's. It's so good. 112 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:19,720 Unsure if it's based on anything factual. 113 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,840 Right, I got AI got a let me, I'll bring the, the, the few 114 00:05:24,840 --> 00:05:27,160 data points I have to this conversation, then we can kick 115 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:33,160 it to our guest. 32 out of 32 teams in 11 personnel usage in 116 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,720 the preseason. The Chicago Bears less than 40% 117 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,760 of their total snaps have been in 11 personnel. 118 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,600 That's insane. That is so much 12 who's? 119 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:44,280 Playing in 12? Who's playing in 12? 120 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:49,280 It's Keenan Keenans in 12. That's the Galaxy brain, The 121 00:05:49,280 --> 00:05:51,880 Keenan I'm. Just telling you who has played 122 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,880 in 12. No, let me, let me, let me 123 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,320 extend this further. So let me let me bury Keenan 124 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:02,120 Allen, who we famously just took in a main event about 72 hours. 125 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:08,520 What if Keenan Allen actually stinks because they built the 126 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:10,800 whole Chargers offense around him last year and the and the 127 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,240 offense was terrible and got everyone fired. 128 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,240 And actually the guy who just got picked 9th overall and is 129 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:21,040 like a semi, not a generational prize three years wide receiver 130 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,000 prospect, I think Roma Dunze. Yeah, he's What if it's actually 131 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,520 What if it's Keenan who plays the JSN role and just gets 132 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:30,520 buried? Generational prospects usually 133 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,280 go wide receiver 3IN their own class, say. 134 00:06:32,280 --> 00:06:35,360 Keenan, or excuse me, Rome is a generational third receiver. 135 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:39,600 He's a, he's a generational. 3rd, he's a generational Third, 136 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:41,240 he's a generational. 3rd. That's true, yeah. 137 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:42,120 Yeah. Yeah. 138 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,600 So yeah, yeah. Let me let me bury Roma Doomsay, 139 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:49,200 who I, you know, have drafted repeatedly all summer and in 140 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:53,400 several main events. Imagine Shane Waldron taking a 141 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,160 first round wide receiver and pitching, holing him into some 142 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,280 stupid 11 personnel role and getting the least that he could 143 00:06:59,280 --> 00:07:02,240 possibly can out of them while he plays the veterans on the 144 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,080 outside. That sounds unrealistic that 145 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:05,120 that hasn't. Happened that. 146 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,560 That's never happened. Keenan Allen, by the way, LED 147 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,560 all wide receivers in open score last year. 148 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:15,480 So I think in he he needs to have gotten fat because he was 149 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,520 really good last year. You know, I, I don't buy the 150 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,720 like he was a product of the offense, not having any other 151 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,080 weapons and they had to feed him and he's and he's done. 152 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:28,600 Like he might be done now because he's just been crushing 153 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,200 that deep dish. But like, I don't think he was 154 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,880 washed heading into heading into this move. 155 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,000 Maybe he crossed the injury of Rubicon when he was hurt at the 156 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,960 end of last year, and that was just the one that did him in. 157 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,760 And when I started seeing the weight reports and, you know, 158 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,120 like the usage reports and all that, it did. 159 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,520 So players are frequently in the NFL traded for far less than 160 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,240 they're worth. But like last March was like, oh 161 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,400 man, I might have given up more than 1/4 rounder for Keenan. 162 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:00,800 They tried to they they floated cutting him after the 2022 163 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,040 season, though. There was rumors Chiefs Chiefs 164 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,240 fans were convinced Keenan Allen was going to be a Chief last 165 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,000 offseason. Yeah, and then he was really 166 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,400 good, like he was efficient and you know, again, he was great at 167 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,600 getting open. So like, I don't know what was 168 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,280 going on between him and the Chargers, but it just seems like 169 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,880 that they were like ready to move on before a really good 170 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:20,680 season. So I'm not sure that him them 171 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,560 moving on after that season indicates, you know, anything. 172 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:26,880 It's not just the moving on, it's the fact the whole league 173 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,600 new is available and you get 1/4 rounder again. 174 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,000 Players are almost never trained to what they're actually but 175 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,919 fourth round pick yeah that fourth round picks like monopoly 176 00:08:34,919 --> 00:08:36,240 money. Just give them two fourth round 177 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:37,840 picks like. We saw this with Amari though, 178 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:38,280 right? Wouldn't. 179 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,320 Didn't Amari get like a sixth or something stupid sometimes? 180 00:08:41,159 --> 00:08:44,080 I think that was a So I think that he. 181 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:47,200 Was on a he was on a last year. It was a very affordable deal 182 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,200 when he it was one of the worst things I've ever seen handful 183 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:51,840 do. So the Cowboys. 184 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,160 It was also the Cowboys. Yeah, that's true. 185 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,160 But the rest, why weren't they pouncing on that like they 186 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:58,960 should have? It was a team friendly deal. 187 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,640 I think it was a one year deal that Amari was on anyway. 188 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,560 The thing that's a little bit more damning with the Amari 189 00:09:04,560 --> 00:09:10,240 situation is in this era of of the rapidly expanding NFL cap, 190 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,120 like you could say, OK, no one gave up more than 1/4 rounder 191 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:14,720 for him, but you had to pay him twenty. 192 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:16,880 I think it's like 2122 million this year. 193 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:20,000 It's a lot of real dollars. It is a lot of real dollars. 194 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,880 It is a lot of real dollars, but there are looking at over the 195 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:27,360 cap right now. Like most NFL teams have over 20 196 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,960 million in cap space this year. It's like a really weird thing 197 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:34,960 where like teams weren't able to spend their cap because the cap 198 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,480 rose so rapidly. And I know teams, we can roll it 199 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,680 over to the next year. So it's not like that money like 200 00:09:39,680 --> 00:09:42,840 dies and goes away. But there are tons of teams out 201 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:46,600 there that had room to pay Keenan Allen $20 million and 202 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:50,320 could have sent a third fourth round pick and chose not to. 203 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,400 So I do think it is a fairpoint to bring up, like otherwise 204 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:56,800 receivers this offseason in somewhat similar situations were 205 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,360 traded for a lot more like Stefon Diggs. 206 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,960 You know, even even though Keenan Allen's counting stats, 207 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,360 it's undeniable. Last year he was on pace for I 208 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,160 think like 1600 yards and 150 catches. 209 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,920 Like, not even exaggerating. He was on pace for something 210 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,000 absurd like that. But I think the NFL evaluators 211 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,560 were not really fully buying. Well, he's old. 212 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,240 He's old. I I think he that clearly. 213 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,920 Seven Dogs 7 digs is also old, right? 214 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:23,920 Not as old. It's just to me a fourth round 215 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:25,200 pick. Like a couple years younger than 216 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,080 Keenan. It's like in the charade 4th 217 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,360 round, a fourth round pick doesn't matter like at all like 218 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:31,480 they're going to be get cut within two years anyway. 219 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:35,480 I just like, I just felt like he could have fetched a little more 220 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:36,720 and it was a. Bit suspicious? 221 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:41,840 What's more likely? Keenan Allen age 32 like smashes 222 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:45,480 1100 yards 8 touchdowns with truly generational quarterback 223 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:49,680 prospect Caleb Williams or he slows down approaches the target 224 00:10:49,680 --> 00:10:52,400 slash injury slash age Cliff and generate. 225 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:53,800 So forget why the fever prospects. 226 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:55,040 The target Cliff in there. Generation. 227 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,600 Generational third wide receiver prospect Roman Dunce kind of 228 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:03,200 starts out the year slow but by week eight is running 83% of the 229 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,960 routes and it's just completely dusting Keenan Allen to me. 230 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:09,520 I think the second thing is far more likely. 231 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:14,320 Other opinions are available but I now in full roam over Keen and 232 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,800 Slappy and I'm fine with that. So you mentioned the counting 233 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:22,880 stats, but that I mean, that's true, but like he had 2.36 yards 234 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,000 per hour on last year. That was that's elite. 235 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,560 That's truly elite. So elite efficiency, elite 236 00:11:27,560 --> 00:11:29,960 production. And he was number one in open 237 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:33,440 score. So like, I don't think anyone 238 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,160 who like evaluated and said like, oh, this guy doesn't have 239 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,040 it anymore. It was wrong. 240 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,240 He he definitely. Did yeah, but that that was a 241 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:43,360 terrible Chargers off offense though, right? 242 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:44,880 Like I think you have to factor in like how? 243 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,560 Good, then shouldn't we be even more impressed by his efficiency 244 00:11:47,560 --> 00:11:49,040 if it was a terrible Chargers offense? 245 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,840 No, I think that the point is that the the Chargers built the 246 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,360 entire ship out of Keenan Allen last year because they had to 247 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:57,720 Mike Williams, Taurus, ACL Palmer was banged up, Ecklers 248 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,200 banged up, and it just wasn't a good off. 249 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,200 Like, no, no, I I just thought like, I don't think it's a 250 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:05,880 successful way to build an offense to do what the Chargers 251 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,080 did last year to Keenan Allen. And he's in a completely 252 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,360 different environment this year. Like, I just don't think those 253 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:11,960 yeah, yeah, yeah. That much weight. 254 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,120 I mean, they hold to me. They hold a lot of weight. 255 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:16,840 If the question is, is Keenan still good? 256 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:22,600 It's not enough to say. Therefore, I mean, he was, he 257 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:24,760 was wide receiver, 11 in yards per outrun. 258 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:29,080 Like, yeah, so the like, if you just took the stats at face 259 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:30,920 value, you'd be like, oh, is the wide receiver won on the Bears? 260 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,480 He's not he's he's not actually DJ Moore had better yards for 261 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:36,120 everyone. So even by these metrics you'd 262 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:37,920 say, you know, but that's not what I'm saying. 263 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:41,680 What I'm saying is like in the fifth round, you know, I'm, I'm 264 00:12:41,680 --> 00:12:46,080 still interested in him as a bet on this offense, you know, being 265 00:12:46,560 --> 00:12:49,600 pretty productive, him being like a key part of this offense 266 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,480 that's really difficult to defend. 267 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:57,040 And one thing I, I think that might be OK for Keenan and Rome 268 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:01,960 and DJ Moore is that this Gerald Everett stuff like I, I don't 269 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,480 know that the Cole Comet is really going to be a big 270 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:05,720 concern. They seem to be rotating the 271 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,160 tight ends. I think it's probably a boost 272 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,360 for the wide receivers if we get more Everett on the field and 273 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:12,360 Comet, because I think Comet's probably better than ever. 274 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,280 But they've been playing Everett a lot in the preseason. 275 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,480 So maybe it's a little bit more condensed to the three wide 276 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,400 receivers then we were thinking it might be. 277 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,720 Two things there. Gerald Everett first drop 278 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:27,920 touchdown a week to the snaps, go back to like 82 to 18 for 279 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,440 Cole Comet. Gerald Everett not going to be a 280 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:32,400 thing. And yeah, just listen, the heel 281 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,760 injury for Keenan last year was the injury Rubicon. 282 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,720 They think he can't beat nickel corners over the middle of the 283 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:40,040 field now. So now they want him to post 284 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,320 them up and that's why he's been packing on the weight. 285 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:46,640 He's going to post every slot, every slot corner and then 286 00:13:46,680 --> 00:13:48,720 Keenan always finds a way and he will find. 287 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,480 A way after he posts up does he like toss the ball back? 288 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,160 Is this? That's a real good question. 289 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:55,840 I don't. Know like whatever. 290 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:57,720 So we're we're basically doing. Down. 291 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:59,920 We're doing the Kelvin Benjamin thesis. 292 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:04,480 For except for as an over the middle of the field nickel 293 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:06,680 receiver. The the, the reality of the 294 00:14:06,680 --> 00:14:11,320 situation is, is I was looking for anything to make me do this 295 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:14,640 lease like it's I, I was looking for any reason to move Keenan 296 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:20,280 down and I've been giving it via Ted Nguyen and Brett Brett 297 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:23,200 Coleman, the the big underdog film streamer. 298 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:25,160 Them being like, this dude stinks. 299 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:28,760 And I'm like, all right, I don't know, but hopefully because I 300 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:30,360 this is what I wanted to do anyway. 301 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,760 JT O'Sullivan the I think the QB school guy was also pointed out. 302 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,040 But yeah, I don't know. At the end of the day, I I think 303 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,520 like, this is a kind of funny storyline. 304 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,280 I don't think Keenan Allen's dead by any means. 305 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:42,880 Crane. Crane brings up good points of 306 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:46,480 how good he was last year. It's just a question of if he's 307 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:47,680 at the Cliff or not yet. I. 308 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:49,760 Mean honestly, there's a question of if he's actually 309 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:51,640 fat. We need to know if he's. 310 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:56,120 Also though listen, even as a 32 year old in the NFL you could 311 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:59,560 lose 20 lbs in like 10 days. Like he probably has already 312 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:01,640 lost a lot of weight. During the training camp. 313 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:03,320 I don't know about those numbers. 314 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:08,400 Listen 20 lbs in 10 days. He yeah, that's yeah, I 315 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,200 overstated it there. But he could lose 20. 316 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,840 Like didn't Legarrett, blunt or not, you not Legarrett. 317 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:17,800 Excuse me, Leonard Fournette used to lose like he gained. 20 318 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:19,360 lbs in 10 days. Yeah, he would. 319 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,000 He would do that and then he would lose it again. 320 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,480 Like, I don't know, you just like you like run around in like 321 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:25,880 a trash bag like twice and you lose like 10. 322 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:29,720 So I think that works. I think that works when you're 323 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:33,280 28, not so much when you're 32. He's still, I mean, 32. 324 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:36,400 I mean, it's not like I don't, I don't think he's crossed the, 325 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,680 the weight, the weight Rubicon quite yet at age 32. 326 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,520 All right, should I say to close this out? 327 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,960 Davis has made his stance clear, but I want both paths on the 328 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,400 record. If you're in some theoretical 329 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,240 fantasy universe, you can only make one pick a wide receiver 330 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:54,600 between Keenan Allen and Roma Dunze Crane. 331 00:15:54,600 --> 00:16:01,720 Who are you taking right now? I'd probably take Rome if if 332 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:07,080 there's no there's no ADP, if there's no portfolios that I'm 333 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,680 building out, I'm just getting 1 crack at one of these guys. 334 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,720 I'm going to take the the exciting rookie, but I do 335 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:17,800 generational third wide receiver in his class. 336 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:21,680 I do take Keenan though. I take him in the 5th. 337 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:25,240 I often take Keenan and Row, yeah, so yeah. 338 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,440 But I you got me, I'd probably take wrong all. 339 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,440 Right, wrote a Pat. I'm taking Keenan Caleb Williams 340 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:32,440 or excuse me, I'm taking Rome. Keenan Williams. 341 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,480 I can't speak Caleb Williams is not thing out of quarterback 342 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,160 kudos like needs the security blanket like Justin Herbert like 343 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,640 what do I do? I can only target Keenan Allen 344 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:44,200 13 * a game like that is not Caleb Williams. 345 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:49,320 And I I do worry about like Roma Dunsay getting JSN, not just 346 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:53,320 because it's Shane Waldron, but like, listen, I know that you're 347 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,480 a first round receiver prospect, but like DJ Moore and Keenan 348 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,440 Allen are two of the most established receivers in the 349 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,280 league. But there's a huge difference 350 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,119 between being the number nine overall pick and like the number 351 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:09,240 22 overall pick that JSN was. So I'm just, and two, as a guy 352 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:13,240 who tends to bet on upside over floor, I'm going with Rome over 353 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,040 Keenan probably. It was honestly even before the 354 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:18,200 injury. Yeah, that makes 4 for four of 355 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,200 us there. Let's move on to. 356 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:23,160 Daniel Daniel Ceno before we move on, has the comment here. 357 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:28,800 Let let Keenan eat cake. By the injury, when I said 358 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,040 Keenan Allen injury, I of course I meant just. 359 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:32,960 Met him eating. Food getting lower, yes. 360 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:36,720 We're talking about it like an injury. 361 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,920 It's not not a great sign. Just got big Keenan. 362 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:44,000 Can we, can we get that in a? Wrote a world board Keenan Allen 363 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:48,080 Large. Orange Keenan Allen quote very 364 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,640 large I just. I just still can't get over 365 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,840 Albert Brewer saying that it was pitched by the team, that it was 366 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:57,320 a good thing Keenan Allen was £230 that that one, that one 367 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:57,920 still gets me. I. 368 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,640 Don't know I also have a bone to pick with Breer, who just like 369 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:05,160 absolutely defended the Drake may not playing any preseason 370 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:06,640 snaps in the first week like it was. 371 00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:09,920 Yeah, and it was like so smart by the team to do this and then 372 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,320 shout out Tom Curran, who was just like, this is asinine, 373 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,360 great. Just completely. 374 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:18,480 He was apoplectic about the usage week. 375 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,600 Wanted sure enough, we get the usage week too. 376 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,840 And all of a sudden, yeah, probably not a very smart idea 377 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:26,720 not to play your your rookie. So anyway, I just I just wanted 378 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:28,080 to shout that out. Shout out to Tom Curran. 379 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,000 He was I. He was appropriately angry by 380 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,440 that. Well, yeah, Crane had to get the 381 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,880 Drake May talk and at some point in the podcast there might be 382 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,960 more risers followers. So Congrats, Grain. 383 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:41,960 Let's talk here about Chiefs wide receivers. 384 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,240 I think this has been, yeah. We've never covered this topic. 385 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,800 Before yeah, the number one topic for us all offseason has 386 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,400 been Rashi Rice. We got all three Chiefs Big 387 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,600 Three wide receivers popping up here on the list of risers and 388 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:55,880 followers. Where we pick, I think we've all 389 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,040 picked rice as a riser. Do we have that of of what I 390 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,440 think? I think only I have. 391 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,840 And really, I'm pretty sure I picked him. 392 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,160 OK, well I haven't been tracking it at all, but I'll I was. 393 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:13,480 Just gonna track it, but I will eventually you track. 394 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,800 Something. Yeah, no, I do that. 395 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,360 I do that the last week before the show. 396 00:19:18,360 --> 00:19:20,680 I I have the worst process ever for tracking it. 397 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,680 Like go rewatch all of our episodes 1 by 1. 398 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:29,400 And yeah, no, I might forget a couple of my bad takes when I go 399 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:33,920 back and love this, but my memory is that I took him and 400 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,280 then a week later the second incident happened and I was 401 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,160 like, oh, I'm such an idiot because he fell from like 60 to 402 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:40,880 80. I think I got him at the cheaper 403 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:42,680 price. Yeah, maybe. 404 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:44,440 We'll we'll look into it anyways. 405 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:49,680 He's up seven spots. His teammate Xavier Worthy, also 406 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,040 up half around. They're both, I guess when she. 407 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,680 Rice is now in the fourth. Xavier Worthy is now at the end 408 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:56,960 of the fifth. Hollywood Brown, on the other 409 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,920 side of things, is down 15 spots. 410 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:05,760 To pick 71, I wanted to start with the Hollywood Brown side of 411 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,400 things and then we'll get into the risers here. 412 00:20:09,360 --> 00:20:12,320 I just wanted to make this like very rough injury timeline for 413 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,640 people to visualize. He got injured on August 10th in 414 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,760 that preseason game. The injury timeline was he's 415 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:20,760 expected to miss four to six weeks. 416 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,240 It doesn't seem like something that's going to overly affect 417 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,280 him once he returns. It's not like a lower body, high 418 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,120 ankle sprain type injury that's going to linger. 419 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:32,560 That four to six week timeline would be an early return sort of 420 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,520 after week one, after that Thursday night game or a late 421 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:38,320 return being like right before week 3. 422 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:42,640 So let's say like anywhere from two to three weeks of miss time 423 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:44,720 probably is like the median scenario. 424 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:49,840 He's fallen, I don't know, 20 spots or so in the past 10 days 425 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,400 because of that. Start with, you wrote it on the 426 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,880 Hollywood Brown side of things. Do you think that's an 427 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,640 appropriate reaction to his injury or sort of how do you see 428 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,480 him shaking out in this Chief squad receiver room this year? 429 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,160 Well. I'm with Hollywood the way Davis 430 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,560 was a Keenan Allen. Like, just give me a reason. 431 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:10,040 I didn't just wanted any reason, any cover whatsoever to not 432 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:11,560 draft Marquis Brown. Who? 433 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,560 The way I look at the way I would casually say it on my own 434 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,000 podcast, Yeah, he's never even been good. 435 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,040 Like who cares? Like it's never been good. 436 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,080 He's always hurt. He has been hurt a lot the past 437 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,440 two years. For a guy who was a first round 438 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,040 pick who's a generally really good quarterback play, not as 439 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:28,840 much. The past two years said only 440 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:34,040 1000 yard season, then only just the efficiency has declined. 441 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,440 I just don't think that he's that good. 442 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,760 Like he's not bad. He should be in the NFL still. 443 00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:43,800 He's a guy. He's just disappointed me like 4 444 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,400 too many times. Maybe one more time though. 445 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,000 Yeah, it's true. Maybe one more time. 446 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:51,600 Maybe. One more time. 447 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,240 I was always more excited about Rashi Rice, always more excited 448 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,040 about Xavier Worthy. With Rashi, I kind of always 449 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,520 thought like the Alvin Kamara situation was the best analog 450 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:05,080 where he got arrested for assault in like February 2022. 451 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,600 The suspension didn't come till 23. 452 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:11,200 That always the NFL just makes it up as it goes along with the 453 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,720 off the field stuff. That is always a risk, but my 454 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,160 best guess was always no suspension for Rashi. 455 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,400 This year, that's looking more and more likely. 456 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,560 I wanted to be unworthy and Rashi Rice and I just needed any 457 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,640 reason whatsoever to be all the way out on Marquis Brown and I 458 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:29,200 would say I have it now. That makes sense. 459 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,120 Crane. Any any thoughts on the the 460 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,480 Hollywood Brown fall because of this injury? 461 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:36,880 Is he good? Yeah. 462 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:38,760 Or is he good? I don't think he's good. 463 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:42,880 I mean he he once was OK. You know he had two solid 464 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:44,880 seasons to begin his career with the Ravens. 465 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,920 They get rid of them after a down season of 2021. 466 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:54,840 He never has above 1.5 yards per outrun and in either season 1.4, 467 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,640 four, 1.25 and two. Seasons with Lamar especially, 468 00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,440 like, that's tough. That's real tough. 469 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,400 Well, he had, he had 1.831.85 to start his career, but those are 470 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,320 like those are promising seasons that could lead to, you know, 471 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,880 maybe we get a, a true breakout. We never did. 472 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,440 In fact, he declines from there. That's that's the peak of his 473 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,720 career. I was out on him all summer. 474 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:20,680 The concern and you know, like, and Daniel Razz was trying to 475 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,040 talk some sense of me a little bit like we, we might want to 476 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,960 have some exposure to this guy. The the case was really like the 477 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:31,200 juju accumulation bet where like there's he's the veteran, he 478 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:35,160 comes in, he gets enough volume, he has a few spike weeks and 479 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,240 he's able to kind of pay it off just because he's on Patrick 480 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,520 Mahomes offense. But like this injury really kind 481 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:45,800 of makes that outcome more thin because Worthy's getting on the 482 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,600 field right away. Like they're not messing around, 483 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,920 you know, and now and now Rice doesn't look like he's getting 484 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,920 suspended, so. Here's here's the thing though, 485 00:23:52,360 --> 00:23:55,240 if I if I may interject, that was always going to happen. 486 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,040 Worthy Rice. It was always a terrible pick. 487 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,960 No, that's the wrong rate of the situation because that's not 488 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,800 accounting for 50 touchdowns in the Chiefs passing offense. 489 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,800 I, this has been my, I mean, people like we literally don't 490 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,760 need to spend any time on it. People have my, my operational 491 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,400 philosophy is that the Chiefs are scoring 50 passing 492 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,240 touchdowns this year. Even the third wide receiver on 493 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,520 the Chiefs can earn wide receiver 30 value. 494 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,160 If that happens, depending on really it's dependent on on just 495 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,680 how much Kelsey dominates the offense. 496 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,800 I was actually tailing off on Brown before the injury. 497 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,320 I moved him a little bit down on my rankings and moved Worthy up 498 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,360 a little bit. But now that you're sitting on 499 00:24:34,360 --> 00:24:38,320 the clock and it's like, I mean, sometimes worthy falls like to 500 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:44,080 the to the the Sutton Hopkins, like death Nexus. 501 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,640 And if that's where I'm saying it's like, sure, what I I will 502 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:47,200 just. Well, sure. 503 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:47,880 Yeah, I'll take that. That's. 504 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:49,840 I mean, that's the point. I wanted to. 505 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:50,800 I'll take him. There, Yeah. 506 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,120 Yeah, the Death Nexus. Sure, he he's a better pick now 507 00:24:54,120 --> 00:24:57,040 than he was then, correct? Because you can now you can 508 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,720 actually get him like behind all these wide receivers who our our 509 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,360 far more interesting talent based bets. 510 00:25:02,360 --> 00:25:06,120 And you're getting him as more of a bet on the situation. 511 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,040 You know, like if him versus Sutton, like Sutton, I don't 512 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,120 think Sutton's that great, but he's going to get targets 513 00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:12,240 because there's no one else to throw to. 514 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,480 Brown is sort of AI mean. It's not the same exact thing. 515 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,120 He's going to have less targets, but maybe more touchdowns, maybe 516 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,920 some big plays, some big weeks. But you're betting on the 517 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,120 situation. So if I can bet on him it I'm 518 00:25:24,120 --> 00:25:27,960 betting on the situation prices. I'm way more interested and like 519 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,720 I don't really care if he's going to miss. 520 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:35,480 Like I'd rather him miss 2 weeks and I get him in the 70s or 80s 521 00:25:36,120 --> 00:25:38,640 as opposed to a full season and I have to take him to like 55. 522 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,520 I was just out at that price. Yeah, that makes sense. 523 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,880 And I do think, yeah, the point I wanted to bring up is that it 524 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,840 feels like a little Week 1 brainy to me to have this 525 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,480 massive a fall for Hollywood Brown. 526 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,480 Like Crane, you were out on him to begin with. 527 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,320 So I totally get you being out at 55, You know, the people that 528 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:59,520 were in on him at 56, I'm surprised they're letting him 529 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,240 fall this far because I think once we get to week seven or 530 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,120 eight this season, people aren't really going to remember the one 531 00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:08,560 or two weeks that Marquis Brown missed to start the year. 532 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,440 I'm not not completely downplaying that. 533 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,840 Like, obviously it'd be great for him to be healthy, get reps 534 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,880 of Patrick Mahomes, like maybe stop the early momentum of 535 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,840 Xavier Worthy to some extent. But yeah, I just don't think 536 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,320 it's that big of a factor. Like you can easily replace a 537 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,160 guy who misses one 2-3 weeks at the start of the season. 538 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,000 There's no bye weeks so. You want to hear a real bullish 539 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,680 thing for Hollywood Brown. His replacement in the starting 540 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:36,640 lineup is Justin Watson, so my suggestion would be he will lose 541 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,240 approximately 0 routes upon returning to the lineup. 542 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:43,000 It's not going to be a rotating in situation. 543 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,520 I mean that could be wrong. But what if they just love 544 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:46,880 Justin Watson too? Much. 545 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,080 Well, they do. They don't get me wrong, they do 546 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,680 love Justin Watson, but they love him in the way that the 547 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,600 Packers love Beau Melton. Like where? 548 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,640 Where It's not. It's not going to be enough for 549 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,320 you to really. We're not going to be spending 550 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,200 any fab dollars on Justin Watson, I don't think. 551 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,560 Remember when we might because remember when he got 11 targets 552 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,720 and we all picked him up? Remember when he got 11 targets, 553 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,480 everyone played him in DFS the next week and he scored one 554 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,320 seven yard touchdown on one target. 555 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,240 That was that was pretty. That was a pretty good. 556 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,200 Moment I just went Davis while you were talking. 557 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,760 I wanted to have a potentially hilarious trump card. 558 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,360 I was like, you know, man, I know this probably isn't the 559 00:27:20,360 --> 00:27:23,720 case, but what if, like, the data was wonky, like the sample 560 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,800 sizes and Justin Watson somehow had more yards per outrun than 561 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,080 Hollywood Brown? He did not. 562 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,040 I bet I bet he had like a .88 yards per outrun. 563 00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:36,040 He was lucky to be over one. He was at 1.19, which is a leap 564 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,040 for Justin Watson. That is a leap for Justin 565 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,920 Watson. It's generational line from 566 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,120 Justin Watson. Poor Justin Watson White. 567 00:27:42,360 --> 00:27:44,200 PRR. Yeah, and he's still just 568 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,520 easily, easily better. Than you guys want to hear the 569 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:51,160 most just want to hear the most brain dead bag defending take 570 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:52,880 you've ever heard. I would love to always. 571 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,360 The the play that Marquis Brown got injured on, the reason why 572 00:27:57,360 --> 00:28:01,120 he was targeted was that it was a play call to try and get 573 00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:03,840 Xavier Worthy and ADR touchdown on their first play from 574 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,640 scrimmage. But Mahomes, you know, went to 575 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,840 his second read because the safety shaded over. 576 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,840 So Hollywood Brown as the possession guy. 577 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,960 You want to talk about building in a floor if Worthy is the 578 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,840 burner and Hollywood is the guy who's running the 1015 yard 579 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,320 stuff. I'm just saying if you want to 580 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,400 read into one play and be an idiot like I. 581 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,800 That's a weird thing about Worthy is like, I do feel like 582 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,800 he has a bit of like a prospect identity crisis and I'm still 583 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,320 not entirely sure. Yeah, it's a bit of a what would 584 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,000 you say you do here situation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's just like 585 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,960 he's so fast, but he does not really how he played in college 586 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:44,600 and. He's so tiny. 587 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,000 I don't know if I want like super tiny outside possession 588 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,200 receiver. That seems like not ideal. 589 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,920 Yeah, super tiny wide receivers. Never been. 590 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,840 Good on the just just. Zoom out on the chart. 591 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,120 Just yeah, further out, you guys are two in the weeds. 592 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,160 You are two in the weeds out on the chart. 593 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,400 Mahomes threw a behind the back pass in a preseason game. 594 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,240 Dude, they are out to get points. 595 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:10,240 That's all they just want they're. 596 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,160 Just are you financially ruined if it's 38 passing touchdowns 597 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,720 instead of 50? No, I'd be OK. 598 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,120 I'd be OK. Davis, what's the optimal way to 599 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,080 stack the Chiefs now? Are you doing, are you doing the 600 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:22,920 Kelsey Mahomes or? Are you doing the rice? 601 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,440 What is it? This just happened to meet a big 602 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:29,640 dog this morning. I took Mahomes at 49 so so two 603 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,640 before the 4-5 turn and the 4-5 turn drafter just snapped 604 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,080 worthy. Just like no like 28 seconds on 605 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,120 the clock were the immediate click. 606 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,040 And rice already gone before you took Mahomes. 607 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:41,680 Oh yeah, he was a third round pick. 608 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,200 Yeah, yeah. So I I think the optimal way to 609 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:50,840 do it is is 3/4 turn Kelsey Mahomes, Hollywood Brown at the 610 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,600 at the 5-6. See, that's the tough part about 611 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,520 that is I don't like taking Hollywood now that he's hurt in 612 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,600 the early 6th, I'm not getting my discount. 613 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:05,240 I, I think if, if Brown were to fall a little bit more to the 614 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:10,600 late 7th and we could do Kelsey Mahomes Brown, that would be, I 615 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,720 would be pretty into that. Yeah, I mean you can do that on. 616 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,120 6th arm receiver edit as well. He can do that on DraftKings 617 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,000 every time because he's got that that Q tag on DraftKings. 618 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,240 So Hollywood grounds just plummeting to I think he's like 619 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,960 mid 80s now. So can get your exposure over 620 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,880 there. I'm in, I'm in the mid 80s. 621 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,120 Yeah, last thing I wanted to know, this route participation 622 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:36,160 stuff, this is from Dwayne McFarlane over at Fantasy Life. 623 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,680 I think he gets the data from PFF, but Rasheed Rice and Xavier 624 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,440 Worthy, both around 90% of the routes with the starters in 625 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,280 preseason week two. I don't think we're going to 626 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,000 have any of the bullshit rotation we had last year to 627 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,040 start the year. Maybe, maybe Justin Watson is 628 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,240 the 4th rotational guy when Hollywood's back, but I I think 629 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,400 it's really going to be rice worthy Hollywood and and scraps 630 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,760 for the rest of the guys. If I was to predict it now, 631 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,200 which again, I think we're just like not used to multiple Chiefs 632 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,680 squad receivers being fantasy relevant because we've been 633 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,120 poisoned by the last couple years I'd say I think. 634 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,400 It's also also poisoned by all the idiots playing with Tyree 635 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,600 kill being terrible. Like go look at some of the 636 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,760 second wide receivers who play with It was like end. 637 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,560 It was like end of career Sammy. Watt, DeMarcus. 638 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,200 Robinson, DeMarcus. Robinson. 639 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:24,400 He's not being drafted in every single. 640 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:25,760 Draft. No, he's not 2020. 641 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,120 Four, please tell me. Please tell me Pat. 642 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:29,720 Pat is not a secret to Marcus Robinson. 643 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,360 No, God no. In fact, I cut him in our 644 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,920 fourteen team 24 roster spot dynasty league. 645 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,760 And I knew immediately people like bro, why did you do that? 646 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,120 And like, I got a trade a Sigmund Blooms, like I would 647 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:44,600 have traded you for DeMarcus Robinson. 648 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,920 And like Josh Norris has been tweeting about D Robbins. 649 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,560 I need, I need Marcus Robbinson. The problem is that he's. 650 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,360 Got the fuck out of the. Skirt. 651 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,960 One of my first tasks at Rotoworld, by the way, when I 652 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,920 was hired, was to console Pat and let him know it was OK to 653 00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:02,240 drop Kenny Yaboa. It was in his dynasty. 654 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:04,800 Found a joke. It's your dynasty league, you're 655 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,000 in it too. Is that like? 656 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,920 Chris Herndon's backup tight end at that point. 657 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,520 Herndon's backup's backup, I believe. 658 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,720 Yes, yeah. I don't know. 659 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:17,840 Can I drop I? Don't know. 660 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:22,760 He was undrafted. I guess we'll pick him up, yeah. 661 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,200 Here's here's a hot take. Shouldn't maybe it's not even 662 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,640 that hot, but worthy? I feel like should he just go 663 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,240 ahead of Rice at this point like this usage is. 664 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,040 No. Really bullish the the rookie 665 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:39,520 like Bryce was, I believe 27% route participation last year in 666 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,440 week one and then he he slowly ticked up over the course of the 667 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:43,880 year. This very kind of standard Andy 668 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,520 Reid stuff. If Worthy's just like a full 669 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,000 time starter to begin the year, that's a pretty bullish 670 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,000 indicator on his talent. Like about about his ability to 671 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,680 pick up the playbook about how he's how he's connecting with 672 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,200 Mahomes. Like all of that now. 673 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,040 Maybe some of it's influenced by the I. 674 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,040 Mean the. Marquee stone injury, but it's 675 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,120 still good. Rashi does have a 38% target 676 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,180 chair in the the snaps he's played with Mahomes this pre 677 00:33:08,180 --> 00:33:12,080 season. So I mean Corrine my I'll spoil 678 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:13,800 this. Can I should I spoil the truth 679 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,160 serum for for the video I'll spoil? 680 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,360 It OK. My my truth serum My truth serum 681 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,720 take is that Xavier worthy is going to score more points than 682 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,760 Malik neighbors. Who's the 2nd Malik Malik 683 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,360 neighbors Malik neighbors is playing with potentially the 684 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:33,520 32nd out of 32nd ability passing quarterbacks like Daniel Jones. 685 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,600 It's it's because now he's in the I mean, Pat, you're you're 686 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:38,800 going to be very familiar with this. 687 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,040 Not only is he a terrible quarterback, but he's now a 688 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,760 terrible quarterback that's playing with no confidence, like 689 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,760 like negative level confidence. If you're bad, but you play like 690 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,680 Bortles where you're like, I can make that throw. 691 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,400 You can at least do some stuff. But now Jones is like in his 692 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:54,960 head as a bad. Quarter, what's the thing? 693 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,440 He's always been a no confidence back in his abilities, but he at 694 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,400 least had confidence like in his body. 695 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,240 His abilities mean like his downfield passing ability now 696 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:07,160 like we'll even trust his body like will he even I guess the 697 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,040 the early game? The the pick six he threw in the 698 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:14,600 first quarter of that game, that was Nathan Petermanesque. 699 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,600 I mean, it was, it was so bad it. 700 00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:20,480 Was so. Bad It was I I read an article 701 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:25,080 in the Athletic this morning and it was saying that Jones was so 702 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:29,000 bad in the preseason that the the beat reporter actually went 703 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,440 and researched to see how they could get out of his contract 704 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,880 this year. Not next year, this year. 705 00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:40,639 Daniel Jones has the fourth highest cap hit in the NFL this 706 00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:42,280 year. This year, yeah. 707 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:47,320 So it's it's not great, but the the silver lining for our 708 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:53,000 purposes was that his take away was that Jones does seem to have 709 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,159 one path, which is that he needs to throw to Malik neighbors 710 00:34:56,159 --> 00:35:00,200 every single time. And if he does, maybe he can, 711 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:06,320 you know, be serviceable. So the you know, maybe he has no 712 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,640 confidence in his own ability, but if he has enough confidence 713 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,680 in Malik neighbors ability just to pepper him with targets, we 714 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,520 could be OK. Well, then he'll just get him. 715 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,760 He'll get him hurt. He'll hospital ball him probably 716 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,080 in like Week 3. Then though, like there's a lot 717 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,600 of bad outcomes here. Yeah, he's there's. 718 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,640 That's fair. There's not a more franchise 719 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,360 crushing playoff victory than the. 720 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,400 Giants win over the Vikings. In the Wild Card Weekend of 721 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,280 2022. There was something if they just 722 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,600 won, they passed them out of the building. 723 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,120 Like if if you like 13 to six or something, maybe they wouldn't 724 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,440 have done it. They they let Danny like stunt 725 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,480 on them. That's that's giving, that's 726 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,280 letting Shane off the hook too much. 727 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:49,080 They, they had a franchise tag and and a contract at their 728 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:53,320 disposal and they said let's franchise our running back and 729 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,280 give a long term deal that's made super hard to get out of to 730 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,800 this quarterback who like we really aren't sure about yet. 731 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,920 Franchise tag the quarterback and see what you have for 732 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,400 another season and pay, pay Barkley because you're not going 733 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,720 to pay him that much and he's the face of the franchise. 734 00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:10,880 Everyone loves him. I was just, it was just a really 735 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,080 dumb. It's an extremely good obvious 736 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,600 point that I had not thought of somehow like. 737 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,240 Yeah, well, franchising steak on Barkley, that that was totally 738 00:36:19,240 --> 00:36:20,080 worth it. Yeah, exactly. 739 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,400 And now they have Devin Singletary. 740 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,280 Like at least you could add Seiko and Barkley. 741 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:30,440 The breakout Daniel Jones season, I know he he ran a lot. 742 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:34,800 He had 15 passing, 15 passing tests in 16 games. 743 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,960 Like we're never, we're never going to see anything like it 744 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,080 again. If you have the ability to like 745 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,520 stall on committing to one of these quarterbacks who you kind 746 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:46,720 of know, isn't it stall, always stall like always, always stall. 747 00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:50,160 The worst case scenario is like, you know, Jordan Love. 748 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,800 The worst case is Dak and Kurt Cousins. 749 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,120 They just got expensive. You have to slightly overpay 750 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,440 Kurt Cousins and Dak. That's the worst case scenario. 751 00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,880 Jordan Love, I mean Jordan Love, they stalled, you know, they 752 00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:03,080 gave him the the two year deal and then he was so good that he 753 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,280 was able to dictate a a new deal and OK. 754 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,600 Yeah, shout out to Jordan Love for betting on himself. 755 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,520 Dude, Karain, someone just pinged me in that dynasty trade 756 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,440 that I turned down from you. You trying to offload Jordan 757 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,400 Love to me? Yeah, I'm incredible. 758 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,240 It's incredible how much this stuff swings. 759 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:19,840 You're like, it's it's really incredible. 760 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,360 In the same league, I couldn't get rid of Geno Smith for a 761 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:24,840 fourth round pick. No one wanted him. 762 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,480 It's it's dynasty. Dynasty is so miserable. 763 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,280 I heard that anecdote you basically the the trade offer 764 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,160 was basically like Adam Troutman for Jordan Love and. 765 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:38,280 David said, no, I, I said I offered because you have to do 766 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:42,640 in this league we have like, it's pretty strict about like 767 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,320 making sure you always have balanced rosters. 768 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:48,000 So you always have to like get like a guy who is sort of a 769 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:52,600 roster bouncer, drop a 0. So I offered Davis Jordan Love 770 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,160 for Adam Troutman as the roster drop balancer, but then really 771 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,600 for a second and a third round pick in the following year. 772 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,880 Davis responded to that trade offer by saying, yeah, that's 773 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,480 great, but you have to give me this year's second and this 774 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:11,520 year's third. I will take Jordan Love from you 775 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:12,880 for free. Free. 776 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:17,840 Didn't work out. Davis didn't. 777 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,800 Work out it didn't. We got to, we got to move on 778 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,640 here. 40 minutes in we've we've covered maybe one topic, 2 779 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,880 topics. This this I am like jazzed for 780 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,680 this. I hope we use 30 minutes on Sam 781 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,200 Darnold. Right now, OK, yeah, we have we 782 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,040 have some Sam Darnold stuff. I did some digging here. 783 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:38,560 So Sam Darnold obviously news breaks that JJ McCarthy is going 784 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,520 to miss the season. Sam Darnold moves up to 785 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,680 draftable territory now, going consistently in sort of the 17th 786 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,600 round. To frame this conversation, I 787 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,200 wanted to look into the history of Sam Darnold. 788 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:55,120 It is really, really ugly. So he has basically five seasons 789 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:59,240 where he played meaningful games, 2018 to 2022, never 790 00:38:59,240 --> 00:39:03,520 eclipsed more than 15 fantasy points per game, never eclipsed 791 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,880 more than the quarterback 21 in fantasy points per game scoring. 792 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,760 And now that was kind of generously including a lot of 793 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,160 quarterbacks there. So it's probably a little bit 794 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,280 even worse than that. If you're making excuses for Sam 795 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,600 Darnold, you can look at his list of head coaches and top 796 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,280 weapons. How about, how about the the two 797 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,360 players that he has completed 1 / 100 passes to? 798 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,800 It's it's worse than you could possibly imagine. 799 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,280 It's Robbie Chosen and Jameson Crowder. 800 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:35,000 Yeah, it's bad. I mean, yeah, for two years, 801 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:37,080 yeah. OK, OK. 802 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,960 Matt Rule for two years, Adam Gates for two years, Todd Bowles 803 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:41,440 for one year. I mean, those. 804 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,840 I forgot how bad the weapons were in New York for those 805 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,720 couple of seasons. It was Jameson Crowder, Robbie 806 00:39:47,720 --> 00:39:50,240 Chosen, Chris Herndon. Somehow the second mention of 807 00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:52,160 him on the show, he. Was Quincy and Nunwalk. 808 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,760 He was a member to remember that guy. 809 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,160 Yeah, it's, it's a whole list. Le'veon Bell was the third 810 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,320 highest pass catcher. The jet version of Le'veon Bell 811 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,560 in 2019, I mean. It was. 812 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,640 It was ugly, so you can't make sense. 813 00:40:05,720 --> 00:40:10,160 Who was the OC there in 2019 or 2018 under bowls The. 814 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,000 Gase. It was Jeremy Bates. 815 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,280 Isn't he like a he's a position coach. 816 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,840 I know he's also a Canadian author. 817 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,360 By the way, I was typing in Jeremy Bates on Google. 818 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,280 When you type in an OC and a Canadian author comes up, he 819 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:30,960 probably wasn't that effective. Here's the. 820 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:35,080 Deal on Jeremy Bates is that he has not had a job in the NFL 821 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,040 since 2018. This is not a joke. 822 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,320 That's that's a shocker. I mean. 823 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,440 Windhorst. Yeah. 824 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,640 So, yeah, I guess the question for you guys, I'll start with 825 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,320 you, Rhoda. Pat, how many excuses can you 826 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,720 make for Sam Darnold? Are are we really expecting him 827 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,680 to bounce back with better coaching, much better weapons? 828 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,720 What are our thoughts for this? The thing is that they are 829 00:40:56,720 --> 00:41:01,360 really compelling excuses, but I always fall back on there's only 830 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,440 certain players you need to make excuses for and it's usually the 831 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,280 bad players and that the good players somehow find. 832 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,920 A Players find a way. The good players do find a way. 833 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,760 The good players get Jeremy Bates like another job in the 834 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,880 NFL and. There's some Adam gases because 835 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,720 Peyton Manning, Peyton Manning's It's his fault that we dealt 836 00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:21,800 with Adam gaze. So the good players tend to rise 837 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,840 above I I do believe there are probably some players who would 838 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,600 have been really good in the NFL and just got totally crushed by 839 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,960 circumstance and the Sam Darnold resume here looks like that 840 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,320 he's. Literally the guy he's. 841 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,680 I know he might be the guy. He actually might be the guy. 842 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,680 What if, DJ? Stroud had this list of coaches. 843 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,000 Are we doing? No, no, he'd be amazing, dude, 844 00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,720 Yeah. I don't think Chris Arnold would 845 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,400 be the Chris Arnold be the Dynasty TV 3 right now. 846 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,200 Come on. Bobby held him back last year, 847 00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:51,480 to be honest. Yeah, but not as much as Jeremy 848 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:55,680 Bates, Adam Gates and Matt Rule out of Urban Meyer is basically 849 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,200 the only way. The one thing I always come back 850 00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,600 to at Darnold is the one time he's ever functional, it was 851 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,360 that Panthers team that went like ultra mega run heavy and 852 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,240 like I I could buy into like he's a quarterback where he can 853 00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:11,280 be a good play action quarterback, like a good pick 854 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,240 your spots quarterback with an elite running game. 855 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,160 We know the Vikings aren't doing that. 856 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:16,640 We don't want the Vikings to do that. 857 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,640 Obviously, you just you can't do that with Aaron Jones and Ty 858 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,360 Chandler. I just feel like he's going to 859 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,800 be pretty overexposed for like what he needs to be. 860 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,080 But I it is Kevin O'Connell and Justin Jefferson. 861 00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,200 I'm open to anything, but I just feel like after six years in the 862 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:34,440 league, we would know by now if he was a, if he was a there's. 863 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:35,960 There's a reason these excuses have been made. 864 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,240 Basically, yeah, I don't know, but he it'll probably be 865 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:40,480 amazing. He's going to make the Sam 866 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,840 share, share this tab share this tab real quick. 867 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:49,560 I, I, if you want, if you want any reason to give any hope into 868 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,560 some guys who've been in the same cohort as Sam Darnold. 869 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:57,800 This is quarterbacks age 21 to 26 with over 1500 pass attempts 870 00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:03,680 but less than 6.2 adjusted YPA. There are several guys on this 871 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:08,800 list playing in, I mean not the same league but who were like 872 00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,880 ass and then either became league average or better. 873 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:16,080 Victoria Randall Cunningham, depending on your perspective. 874 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:17,840 Sam Bradford. That's really an eye of the 875 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,800 beholder situation. Donovan McNabb. 876 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,440 John Elway. Eli Manning. 877 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,240 Gino mean there? Gino is on the Gino didn't have 878 00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:30,040 the attempts, Gino did not have. If you ran this at like 500 879 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:31,320 attempts, Gino would be on this list. 880 00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,080 I mean, Gino really, I suppose is. 881 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,840 He's the hopeful outcome. Gino is the hopeful comp Alex 882 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,320 Smith honestly is not a totally zero comp. 883 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:46,440 My my perspective is this. Nick Mullins has a career 8.1 884 00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:50,960 YPA. He played one season away from 885 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,360 the Mick Shanney cheaters. He averaged 4.9 YPA. 886 00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:59,360 He averaged 4.9 YPA in the one non cheating season. 887 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,400 And the cheating is just designing a good offense. 888 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,000 It's not real football. It's not. 889 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:06,600 It's not, it's not real football though. 890 00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,640 It's not real. Pat, you, you are very woke to 891 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,160 this. What the Shanahan's do is not 892 00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,080 real football. It's, it's literally, it's 893 00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,760 literally cheating. And that's why he the Super Bowl 894 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:15,920 started. You can see that he knew he 895 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,400 wasn't going to win the He never for one second believed they 896 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,960 were going to win the Super Bowl because even he knows. 897 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:26,440 Even he knows, yes. So I fully expect that we're 898 00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:31,240 going to be sitting here in the 2024-2025 offseason, right? 899 00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:37,480 And we're going to the the fun fact, the trivia from this year 900 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:41,640 will be, do you know, do you realize that Sam Darnold was the 901 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,440 quarterback 6 when he was benched? 902 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:49,720 Yep, you are. Literally, I have never, I have 903 00:44:49,720 --> 00:44:52,480 never agreed with something Pat Koran said more than what he 904 00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,600 just said. I thought you were saying the 905 00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,880 trivia fact was something that Sam Darnold led the league in 906 00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:01,840 yards per attempt. The Vikings The Vikings led the 907 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,040 league in passing yards last year, with nine of those games 908 00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,040 being played by Jaron Hall, Josh Dobbs and Nick Mullins. 909 00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,080 Yeah, but he's he we got to Sam Howell again, right? 910 00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,080 This is this is the Sam Howell situation. 911 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:19,840 But but you don't have really any. 912 00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,120 So part of the reason I was out on Sam Howell last year was that 913 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,600 you had an offensive coordinator in B enemy who was like 914 00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,320 desperately trying to kind of prove himself and Ron Rivera 915 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:31,920 very, very clearly in the hot seat. 916 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:37,280 And so these coaches that need to save their jobs or try to get 917 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,160 new jobs are not going to just ride it out with Hal to the 918 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,520 bitter end. So if he's if he's bad, if he if 919 00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,560 he, you know, takes a bunch of sacks, kind of did you know, 920 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,800 does what he did at the end there just kind of all falls 921 00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,160 apart. Then they're going to bench him 922 00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:50,800 and they're going to go to berset. 923 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,760 But this is a much more secure situation for Kevin O'Connell. 924 00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,040 I mean in some ways like. Literally no chance he gets 925 00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:57,120 fired. Like zero chance. 926 00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,480 I don't know. I never, I never go that far in 927 00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,520 the NFL to be honest. Like they don't care if you're 928 00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,480 sharp or not. I kind of think the Vikings 929 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,520 front office is already on the hot seat, to be honest. 930 00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,280 KOC no one would ever perceive him as being on the hot seat. 931 00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,080 I think there's already a little no. 932 00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,920 Some questionable processes. You know, you know this. 933 00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:17,440 You know this as well as we do, though. 934 00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,440 The rookie quarterback getting the preseason injury buys them 935 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:21,560 so much. Sort of. 936 00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,120 I don't know about that either, to be honest, Because he was 937 00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,440 like, that was a polarizing pick, a questionable pick. 938 00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,040 He would. He looked good in the preseason. 939 00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,040 There's a lot of hope. There's a lot of hope. 940 00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,800 Kevin Kevin Cole tweeted this and I've never thought something 941 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,080 is more accurate. Him looking kind of good for two 942 00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:41,320 quarters in the preseason bought him like a 15 year NFL career 943 00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:48,160 even if he had like like his range of outcomes went from UFL 944 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:52,560 in three years to chase Daniel like he chase Daniel at worst 945 00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,160 at. Worst I I would say to be honest 946 00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:59,360 I wish this is like how cynical I am when when he got hurt JJ 947 00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,040 McCarthy one of my first thought I wish this was her joke. 948 00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,920 One of the first thoughts that popped in my head was over under 949 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,360 9 1/2 career starts for JJ McCarthy. 950 00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:13,120 Like I just a guy who was the QB friggin 5 like who should not 951 00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,160 who if they hadn't taken him might have fallen out of the 952 00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,680 first round. No, no, people were People were 953 00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:20,880 pretty woke to JJ McCarthy. There was a big. 954 00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,960 Some people were other people are taking other quarterbacks 955 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,800 and then sitting them for two years instead of like, you know, 956 00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,000 I don't know when you could have like traded down. 957 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,480 And I don't know where I'm going with that, to be honest. 958 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,560 But I just never thought JJ McCarthy was good. 959 00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,360 It's a big problem. Yeah, no, I mean, you're right. 960 00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,720 Like Donald. Really, he could. 961 00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,400 The problem with Darnold is that he throws the interceptions he 962 00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,720 makes like egregious mistakes that get people benched. 963 00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,080 So that that's where it's very kind of it's like Daniel Jones 964 00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,520 this year where like there's a good chance he gets benched if 965 00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:54,600 they don't make the playoffs. You know, they they may really, 966 00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,920 really be in, you know, want to make sure that he is not their 967 00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,240 quarterback in 2025. And the way to do that is to 968 00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:02,040 bench him once, once you're out of the playoff race. 969 00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,360 That's not the case with Darnold. 970 00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,520 Like he's just not going to be their quarterback in 2025. 971 00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,920 But if he could be bad enough where they throw in Mullins, 972 00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:11,320 they throw in whoever. Else yeah, that's what I'm 973 00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,040 saying is like, don't you think KOC deep down believes that he 974 00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,800 can make the playoffs with Nick Mullins and if if Darnold starts 975 00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:18,160 like seeing. Ryan on Mullins. 976 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:23,040 No, no, no, no. But but Sam, this is almost this 977 00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,760 is almost missing the forest for the trees because something that 978 00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,200 we have not touched on yet is that also every coach believes 979 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,240 they can fix Sam Arnold. That's why he keeps getting 980 00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:35,120 these contracts. Shanahan thought it Rule thought 981 00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:40,560 it because he was, you know, let's not obfuscate the prospect 982 00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:42,720 that he was. He was an unbelievably appealing 983 00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:44,120 prospect. He was super young. 984 00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:45,840 He was a really great deep thrower. 985 00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:46,960 Like he had these kind of things. 986 00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:48,840 You can't, and he does throw a beautiful ball. 987 00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,360 People thought he might go #1. People thought he might go #1 988 00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,720 like he, he really was a great prospect. 989 00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,920 And that carries sway. Also, you know who the, you 990 00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,040 know, the quarterbacks coaches for the Minnesota Vikings, Josh 991 00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,400 McCown, who is like best friends with Sam Darnold. 992 00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:05,760 They were team mates for The Jets. 993 00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,160 McCown lobbied for him, wanted him. 994 00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,760 He got paid a bunch of money for a backup quarterback. 995 00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:13,360 I think he's 10 and a half million dollars a. 996 00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:14,160 Year. You know what this means? 997 00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,400 Davis, Josh. McCown, Sam Darnold. 998 00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:18,840 Underdog Show 2025. Yep. 999 00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,840 Yep, Yep, Yep, Yep. Yep, I got. 2027 when he's been 1000 00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:24,360 fired and. McCarthy's already. 1001 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:29,800 Arnold Donnelly, Yeah. I, I got AI got a little bit of, 1002 00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,680 I got a little bit of trivia here. 1003 00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:36,240 So this was Kevin O'connell's first year ever being in a 1004 00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:39,360 serious role for a team. He was the Washington 1005 00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,400 Commanders. Was he the quarterbacks? 1006 00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,760 He was the OC for the 2019 Washington Football Team. 1007 00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:50,880 His quarterbacks were Case Keenum, age 31, Case Keenum, 1008 00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:57,280 Dwayne Haskins, and Colt McCoy. Any guesses on the YPA that he 1009 00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,680 got out of those guys on 479 attempts? 1010 00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,160 Well, Keenum was kind of good. Keenum was sneaky good. 1011 00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,400 You described, you just described 7.4 there. 1012 00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:07,560 That's what you described, Davis. 1013 00:50:07,720 --> 00:50:17,600 No 6.76.76.7 would be jet Sam Darnold would have would have 1014 00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:21,760 committed a crime for 6.7 YPA I I just. 1015 00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,040 He did commit a crime. Adrian. 1016 00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,560 Peterson. Adrian Peterson and Darius Geiss 1017 00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:30,920 were the lead rushers for this Washington team. 1018 00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,080 Like Darius? Geiss, my God. 1019 00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:38,320 I, I, I if I end up being wrong, whatever. 1020 00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:40,320 This. Is what is the right way to 1021 00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:41,760 play? Because like in redraft, right, 1022 00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,600 you get boxed out of quarterback Sam Darnold. 1023 00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,920 No, no, like redraft. It's like Trevor Lawrence 1024 00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:49,560 falling, Justin Herbert's falling. 1025 00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,200 Sure, you're right. You're right, you shouldn't do 1026 00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:53,200 it. I don't know how you would. 1027 00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,120 Be the the way to play, maybe. Superflex. 1028 00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,320 Is superflex the right superflex? 1029 00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,120 No, no, Superflex. It's the kind of thing where you 1030 00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,120 like you, you like outwardly, like, oh, dude, I really didn't 1031 00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:07,360 want to take Sam Darnold. I would take, I would take Sam 1032 00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,560 Darnold over Aaron Rodgers in Superflex, I think. 1033 00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,480 Yeah, so, but, but the problem is in Superflex if you lose a 1034 00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,920 quarterback to bench to him getting bench, that's, that's 1035 00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:20,200 also like what is the format where yeah, we can't the bench 1036 00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,760 risk is a problem And I, I don't, I don't really think BBM 1037 00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:27,240 is the right format for him. Like he's if we lose him in the 1038 00:51:27,240 --> 00:51:28,800 final weeks. You know who the right You know 1039 00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:30,840 what the right format is for Sam Darnold. 1040 00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,680 This is the most best ball. No, this is the most best ball 1041 00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,480 brain thing you've ever heard someone say. 1042 00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:38,520 It's a really good pick. And weekly winners, yes. 1043 00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,840 No, you're right dude. Where he's like he, he's like, 1044 00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,400 he's like 30% owned in the whole contest. 1045 00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:48,680 And he just, I mean, we're we're about 30 minutes into the same 1046 00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:50,240 Darnold discussion. We haven't mentioned the best 1047 00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:52,760 wide receiver in the NFL who so happens to be his teammate. 1048 00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:58,400 You can take Justin Jefferson and. 1049 00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,320 Jefferson fallen behind Amin Ross St. 1050 00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,200 Brown. That's crazy, yeah. 1051 00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,360 So one of the most beautiful things that's ever happened in 1052 00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,720 fantasy football that you could just be like, you could get the 1053 00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:09,160 109 in your home league draft and be like, dude, I might get 1054 00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:10,800 Justin Jefferson. Might get the best skilled 1055 00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,640 player on planet Earth. Is this bad for him? 1056 00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,680 I I don't think it's bad. No, I think it's I think it's 1057 00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:18,760 bad. I think he wanted two outs to 1058 00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,320 get quarterback play. And you can believe in the Sam 1059 00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,920 Darnold comeback, but man, it's still Sam Darnold. 1060 00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:27,480 He averaged 20. He averaged 18 1/2 points a game 1061 00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,560 with Mullins. I know, but. 1062 00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,400 Dude, Mullins might be better than Darnold. 1063 00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:34,640 Like he might be, let's be, he might be. 1064 00:52:35,240 --> 00:52:38,800 Yeah, I I just think with Darnold it's tough because you 1065 00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,440 have Drake May and Bo Nicks who go after him now. 1066 00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:45,120 And it's still so much better. Yeah, May is a way. 1067 00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:46,800 Better you should draft may over same. 1068 00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:48,920 Yeah, but I say draft Nicks even. 1069 00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:51,720 No, Yeah, you're probably right. No, no, no. 1070 00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,200 No, Nix. I did see, I did I did see 1071 00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:59,080 someone say Nix has CJ Stroud outs where he like elevates the 1072 00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,320 whole team. And I just I did want I just 1073 00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,320 wanted this to be on record that that's the exact opposite of 1074 00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,120 what Nix does. The thing that Nix does is he 1075 00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:10,960 takes the catastrophic more turnovers than touchdowns thing 1076 00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:12,920 out of the range of outcomes for a rookie quarterback because 1077 00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:14,640 it's like the exact opposite of what he does. 1078 00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:18,800 But he he will never be that guy. 1079 00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,320 He's not an elevator, no. No, he's not an elevator. 1080 00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:25,600 No, you're hoping to get like, I don't know, like some goffy 1081 00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,720 spike weeks. Out Yeah, you're hoping for the 1082 00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:30,600 scam. You're just Knicks is the the 1083 00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,960 total scam. Player big scam show here Yeah. 1084 00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,360 I used to scam play. But you get the job security. 1085 00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,800 Like they can't. I mean, I guess Peyton does 1086 00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,200 whatever he wants, so maybe he could, but they're unlikely to 1087 00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,480 bench knit. Knicks is the Week 1 starter. 1088 00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,600 You know, like you, he's a first round rookie. 1089 00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:49,200 Like benching him at the end of the season, you know, that's a, 1090 00:53:49,240 --> 00:53:51,400 that's a sign of failure. That's like a problem. 1091 00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,800 Coaches don't want to do that. So you get the job security with 1092 00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:56,600 him, which is a big, it's a big deal. 1093 00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,520 Let's move on here to the 49ers running back situation. 1094 00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:06,880 Jordan Mason is a big riser. He's up 20 spots to pick 187. 1095 00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,800 Elijah Mitchell, basically the opposite pattern. 1096 00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:15,200 He's down 15 spots to pick 2:04. I raise the question, is it 1097 00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,920 Jover for Elijah Mitchell? Start with you, Davis. 1098 00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:23,200 I really have a hard time caring about this situation. 1099 00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:26,080 It's like year 11 of the Eli Mitchell experience. 1100 00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,040 I've we've also literally done this with Jordan Mason. 1101 00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,000 Like we literally did this already. 1102 00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:36,400 My opinion is that Shanahan is such a Dick with these guys that 1103 00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,160 I don't really like taking either of them. 1104 00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,680 Tony Schrader. Season folks, even though I was 1105 00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,040 either horrific over the weekend. 1106 00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:47,360 He. Was not very, he was not very. 1107 00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,600 He was not very good. But Guirendo is going to be 1108 00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,920 active on game days because he's the kick returner. 1109 00:54:53,240 --> 00:54:55,240 So you're talking about four running backs being active. 1110 00:54:55,240 --> 00:54:59,240 It just like, I don't know, my conviction is very low. 1111 00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,840 I I take estimate over these guys like every time. 1112 00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:06,480 So I wanted to start with like the just the history of what we 1113 00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:10,800 actually have like game data of we have we have a 20 game sample 1114 00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:14,320 of both Mitchell and Mason being healthy in the game in same 1115 00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:15,880 game. And trust me this was not easy 1116 00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,960 data to come up with cuz Elijah Mitchell has about 7 injuries 1117 00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:20,480 alone in the last two years. Where he. 1118 00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:21,720 Missed. So that's why Mason had in the 1119 00:55:21,720 --> 00:55:22,680 discussion. They're sick of it. 1120 00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:23,560 They're sick. Exactly. 1121 00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,160 That's why. But still, even with with all of 1122 00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:29,120 that Elijah Mitchell bullshit, we have 20 games the last two 1123 00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,600 years of both of them being healthy at the same time. 1124 00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,920 It is pretty obvious if you trust last two years of data who 1125 00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:38,560 the team likes better. 17 1/2 of those 20 games. 1126 00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:42,080 There was one game where they tied Mitchell played more snaps 1127 00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,640 than Mason. Twenty of those games, Mitchell 1128 00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,160 played at least one offensive snap. 1129 00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:49,880 Jordan Mason only saw one offensive snap in 12 out of 20 1130 00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:51,920 of those games. It doesn't really matter if you 1131 00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,880 split out only 2023 or only 2022. 1132 00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,120 I looked at this. It's pretty similar both years. 1133 00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:00,240 So we kind of did this last year where everyone was like writing 1134 00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:02,760 Mitchell's obituary. There was like the one game 1135 00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:06,360 where Jordan Mason out, snapped him, I think CMC maybe got a 1136 00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,720 little banged up or something, and then they went right back to 1137 00:56:08,720 --> 00:56:12,080 Mitchell as sort of a clear #2 So I just wanted to say that I 1138 00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:13,360 don't. Know hurt again. 1139 00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:17,080 Yeah, and then he got hurt again, and he's hurt now, and 1140 00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:18,520 also. That's what we would expect to 1141 00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:20,040 see. I mean, he was the clear backup 1142 00:56:20,240 --> 00:56:24,000 and the the difference is that Shanahan has been and you know, 1143 00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,800 Shanahan was asked last year, what would Jordan Mason need to 1144 00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:28,600 do to play more? And he's like, he would need 2 1145 00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:30,280 injuries in front of him because it's our running back three. 1146 00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,520 What are you talking about? So like it was it was not. 1147 00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,600 It was very clear that he was the running back three behind 1148 00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,520 Mitchell. But there's been talk that maybe 1149 00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:44,160 that's changing and that Mason has taken the job this offseason 1150 00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,960 from Mitchell. So I guess I'm not like we are. 1151 00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:50,280 Just interject there when you say talk of that crane like it 1152 00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,320 is just beat speculation and like Shanahan has not come out 1153 00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,640 and said. He hasn't said ahead, but he's 1154 00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,320 been complimentary of Mason and talking and growing as a as a 1155 00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,960 running back. My vaguely serious but kind of 1156 00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:05,240 Galaxy brain take on the situation is that Kyle Shanahan 1157 00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:09,160 is like usually so unforgiving with young players and for some 1158 00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:12,640 reason like he gave all like the leash in the world to Elijah 1159 00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:14,760 Mitchell. Like I almost felt like got the 1160 00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,320 sense sometimes like dude, I cannot believe like Kyle 1161 00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,240 Shanahan is like keeping the faith so much with Elijah 1162 00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,000 Mitchell. Like this is so against type for 1163 00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:23,920 him. I almost wondered if he was like 1164 00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:24,960 trying to go. Because it's like. 1165 00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:27,480 I'm going to be this mad for once I'm going. 1166 00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:29,400 To be it's because. No, it's because Eli Mitchell, 1167 00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,120 he'll bail them out the rookie year. 1168 00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,520 He had no plan if Eli Mitchell wasn't good that year. 1169 00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,800 It's possible, but like, I've been stunned how much patience 1170 00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,920 he's had with Elijah Mitchell, who commits the cardinal sin of 1171 00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:42,960 not being. Available he's he's the Joe 1172 00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:47,200 Williams of Ben Tate's is kind of my thought on Eli Mitchell. 1173 00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,240 What does that? Mean if you think about it, 1174 00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,280 you'll get there. No, no, it does he. 1175 00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:56,680 Was better than Ben Tate. He's already done more than Ben 1176 00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,920 Tate. No, no, Ben Tate was awesome 1177 00:57:59,960 --> 00:58:03,400 until he got the job. Ben Tate was amazing anytime 1178 00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:05,080 we'd see him for 20 snaps a game. 1179 00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,480 But but Elijah Mitchell was like instantly really good his rookie 1180 00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:11,880 year. Like, yeah, again, he's like 1181 00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:13,920 that one season. Was better than Tate's entire 1182 00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:15,400 career. I'm telling you, if you think 1183 00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:17,040 about it long enough, you'll get there. 1184 00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:19,880 All right, we'll we'll think that over. 1185 00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,920 I don't want to spend a ton more time here, but yeah, I think the 1186 00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:23,640 answer. Is that like? 1187 00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,400 I don't know what that means. What does it mean I'll have? 1188 00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:30,200 To think, I'll have to think about it. 1189 00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:31,960 I'll get the one we don't. Even know what it means. 1190 00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,960 We'll get back to you. Yeah. 1191 00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:38,880 I mean, if CMC gets hurt, it's just like pretty obviously going 1192 00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,440 to be a committee and then Mitchell will probably get hurt 1193 00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:44,920 too, so. CMC gets hurt trading for 1194 00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:46,720 Javonte Williams. Although I've been keep, I keep 1195 00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:49,120 insisting on every podcast I go on the Cowboys, they're going to 1196 00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,040 trade for Javonte. Williams No, you know, they they 1197 00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:54,920 first they sign Jeff Wilson and then Tevin Coleman and then. 1198 00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:56,200 That's true. Oh my God, that's. 1199 00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:57,680 That's the pecking order of who they. 1200 00:58:57,680 --> 00:58:59,520 No, it's guys. It's Dalvin Cook. 1201 00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,560 You think Dalvin Cook is not already looking like he's got 1202 00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:06,080 Department of Dallas? It's always it's always Tevin 1203 00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:07,520 Coleman. Somehow Tevin Coleman like 1204 00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,320 played the most snaps out of any running back in the Super Bowl 1205 00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,480 last year for the 49ers. That's that's not true, but 1206 00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:14,080 it's. No, it might be it. 1207 00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:17,480 Might be. It's look it up, Tom, the Pro 1208 00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:19,440 Football Reference. Game What is Tevin Coleman the 1209 00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,880 blank of? Well, I don't understand the 1210 00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:26,800 first thing that you it's hard for me to do it again. 1211 00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,120 Like I have no idea what the what. 1212 00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,560 No, I said I said one. I had one in the ship chasing 1213 00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:35,280 discord last night that everyone universally agreed was accurate. 1214 00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:36,720 I but I don't remember what it was. 1215 00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:40,640 No, you said something like this is. 1216 00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,800 The boyfriend in Canada of of smart points. 1217 00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:47,680 You had something about someone who's the the Panthers, Adam 1218 00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:51,120 Phelan of I can't remember, but it was, it made sense. 1219 00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:52,200 It was. No, it was. 1220 00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:53,640 It was. OK, I'm gonna go find it. 1221 00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:55,320 I'm gonna find it. You guys continue the show. 1222 00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:57,000 I'm gonna go find it. Funny thing I said. 1223 00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:02,120 Let's let's move on to Braylon Allen, maybe a little bit more 1224 01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:06,480 exciting on the topic. He's up 17 spots to pick 169. 1225 01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,880 Start with you, wrote a Pat. How are you approaching The Jets 1226 01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:12,720 backup running back situation this year? 1227 01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:15,600 Well, it's kind of a thing is more of like a redraft in 1228 01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:17,920 basketball guy, even though I still have been drafting a 1229 01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:19,200 little bit. I'm just kind of like, why am I 1230 01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:20,760 even supposed to care about this? 1231 01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:22,280 Like Braylon Allen to me was like. 1232 01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,480 That's basically the every single thing on the show you can 1233 01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:25,080 basically. Say that. 1234 01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:28,080 No, no, no, the Braylon Allen's more like like I already just 1235 01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:29,920 like took it as an article of faith. 1236 01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:31,680 He was the main contingency back. 1237 01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:34,280 I don't. I mean I know they the drum beat 1238 01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:37,600 has been weird on Braylon Allen. I must admit I'm almost getting 1239 01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:40,760 worried he could have some sort of stand alone role, but I still 1240 01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:42,920 just don't know why he would be more than speaker back. 1241 01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:46,440 You mean excited? Not like he's just a pure 1242 01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:50,000 breather back to me. And the drum beat's weird 1243 01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:51,240 though. The drum beat is weird. 1244 01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:53,040 The Drum. Beat What If it's a What if it's 1245 01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:54,680 a Thunder and lightning situation? 1246 01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:58,920 I would be devastated. I would be totally devastated. 1247 01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:02,600 By the way, it was Josh Palmer is the Panthers, Adam Thielen of 1248 01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:05,680 Cortland Suttons, which is I I dare you. 1249 01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:09,000 I say that again. Josh Palmer. 1250 01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:13,280 Is the Panthers Adam Thielen of Cortland Suttons? 1251 01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:16,800 That honestly rings true to me. That that's. 1252 01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:18,160 Right. No, I think that is. 1253 01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:21,040 Right, that rings true to me. That rings true all. 1254 01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:23,440 Right. Anyways, here's the thing on 1255 01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:28,200 Braylon Allen. Yeah, he is a great pick because 1256 01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:31,360 he's got immediate, unquestioned. 1257 01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:34,840 All I was saying, Davis, is I already thought that and like, I 1258 01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:36,080 don't really know what's changed. 1259 01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:37,520 Now I see what you're saying now. 1260 01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:39,520 Yeah, yeah. I had already baked all that in 1261 01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:41,920 and I just wasn't sure like why the narrative is changing other 1262 01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,480 than they they keep steaming him the coaching staff themselves. 1263 01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:45,720 Yeah, this is. But it's compelling. 1264 01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:49,680 This is a case of people taking the Yankee stuff too seriously 1265 01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:52,720 where like Isaiah Davis was playing some snaps ahead of him 1266 01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:56,480 in this the most recent pre season game that that's like the 1267 01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:58,400 total nothing. They just want to see some 1268 01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,280 Isaiah Davis. That's all I meant with Braylon 1269 01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,520 Allen was like, I like the situation changed question mark. 1270 01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:05,520 Like I wasn't really sure like what had changed for. 1271 01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:07,040 Braylon yeah, I think it's just people. 1272 01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:10,320 I I think this is an effect of the Week 1 preseason usage, 1273 01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:11,800 which was really bullish for Braylon. 1274 01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:14,560 And everyone's just putting their chips all in on him being 1275 01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:17,280 the clear handcuff because yeah, I think I think people are 1276 01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:18,600 desperate. Like like we talked about with 1277 01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:21,080 Elijah Mitchell and Jordan Mason, there's so many of these 1278 01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:25,120 ambiguous RV2 situations that just seeing one that looks 1279 01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:26,480 that's. A fairpoint. 1280 01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:29,320 That's a fairpoint. Yeah, it's just kind of a best 1281 01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:32,520 ball brain take, I think. No, but it's it's applicable to 1282 01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:34,320 season long and redraft too. Yeah. 1283 01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:35,920 Best ball season long, you know what I mean? 1284 01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:37,480 Yeah, Yeah, it's applicable too. Yeah. 1285 01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:42,240 Yeah, I I did want to say that the Isaiah Davis thing, this 1286 01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:44,840 this was weird. Crane, I don't know if you had 1287 01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:48,720 any read on this. Isaiah Davis did go into the 1288 01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:52,200 game before Braylon Allen last week and played like slightly 1289 01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:55,400 more snaps of the starters. Are you putting any weight into 1290 01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:58,320 that or should we just like trust the the Braylon Trumpy and 1291 01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:00,680 ignore this? Yeah, I mean, I would say 1292 01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:04,560 Braylon Allen's probably the Roy Halu of Latavius Murrays. 1293 01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:10,120 No, that's no, no he. Was a way better no. 1294 01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:14,000 He's the someone. He's the Brandon, Brandon Jacobs 1295 01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,800 of Tracer. No, he's like, no, he's. 1296 01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:18,280 He's like that. He's like that. 1297 01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:22,320 He's like the Alfred Morris of Felix Jones is much more 1298 01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:24,960 accurate. I'd say he's the Legarrette 1299 01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:29,200 Blunt of Tyrone Wheatley's. I well, I had you had me on 1300 01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:30,240 Legarrette blunt. I could. 1301 01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:35,160 He's the he's the both. Scarborough of Ah fuck I 1302 01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:37,280 couldn't come up. He's the audric estimate of 1303 01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:45,320 Blake Watson. 'S Audric estimate and Blake 1304 01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:48,000 Watson and one guy would be like, say, Quad Berkeley. 1305 01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:49,840 Then we're talking league, we're talking league winner. 1306 01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:56,960 Yeah no, I mean I I don't think we should be overreacting to 1307 01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:00,040 Isaiah Davis getting a little bit of run Braylon Allen like 1308 01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:02,600 immediately established himself as the running back to there. 1309 01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:07,280 Izzy Band of Canada was like out as soon as he arrived They 1310 01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:09,720 they've been talking up his ability to catch passes 1311 01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:12,600 versatility looks looks pretty good. 1312 01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:17,600 So it's probably like a little bit of a minor thing to keep in 1313 01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:23,360 the back of your mind, but we we're betting on these running 1314 01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:25,560 back twos that are kind of the clear cut running back twos. 1315 01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:30,400 But we'd also like some hope that they're talented and Allen 1316 01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,840 does give us that. You know, like I'm taking Damien 1317 01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:34,440 Pierce now I'm taking Tank Bigsby. 1318 01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:36,160 Like these guys have shown me, they stink. 1319 01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:38,440 I've taken a few tank Bigsby's man by. 1320 01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:41,680 The way I like, I like taking. I have principles. 1321 01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:47,040 I mean, I, I respect it like I, I, I'm debasing myself by taking 1322 01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:49,720 these guys, so I know. It's a total total debasement. 1323 01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:56,960 Tank Bixby being a good pick now like objectively is so annoying 1324 01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:00,640 to me because I don't want a player who is that bad to he was 1325 01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:02,400 Cadarius Tony level bad. He was he. 1326 01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:03,360 Was so. Bad. 1327 01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:06,840 He was so bad. Yeah, so I mean Alan like just 1328 01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:10,760 by not having been that bad is a great pick. 1329 01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:15,280 Like honestly, like he's maybe he's not like 100% giga locked 1330 01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:19,320 into an every down rolls. OK, but like, you know, neither 1331 01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:21,720 is Bigsby. Bigsby would probably split time 1332 01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:23,720 with Jernis Johnson if Travis ETM went down. 1333 01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:26,840 And yet he's draftable just on the basis of him getting the 1334 01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:31,440 first crack of the RB2 job. So draftable for the role. 1335 01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:35,680 Plus, who knows, he might be good is kind of a smash at at 1336 01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:39,040 the range he's still going in. Yeah, I understand now why this 1337 01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:40,680 is happening. You guys have all made a lot of 1338 01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:42,680 good points in Braylon Allen. Yeah. 1339 01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:46,920 Let's move on here to Jaguars wide receiver situation, Another 1340 01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:50,480 sort of ADP riser faller pairing. 1341 01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:55,120 Brian Thomas is up four spots to pick 74, while Christian Kirk is 1342 01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:59,080 down five spots to pick 52. It's kind of an annual tradition 1343 01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:01,080 that everyone freaks. Out that Christian Kirk. 1344 01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:04,440 Doesn't doesn't play in two wide receiver sets in the preseason. 1345 01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:08,720 We we called this last year. I did dig into the data a little 1346 01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:10,240 bit last year. There is. 1347 01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:11,760 I think we always freak out every year. 1348 01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:15,400 Every year. Year 5 of this experience. 1349 01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:19,760 You were playing in the slot. It also literally was fought. 1350 01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:22,400 It was literally 5 snaps. The Jaguars play with the 1351 01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:25,080 starters and pieces in week one and he literally just didn't 1352 01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:27,680 play on the single 12 personnel snap. 1353 01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:29,800 So yeah, but when you but when you break it down into 1354 01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,320 percentages, it seems way worse. Like the like the stat. 1355 01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:35,640 Oh, Dantavian Wicks only played 33% of the snaps with the 1356 01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:38,920 starters for the Packers, buddy. It's incredible. 1357 01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:42,000 It's it's amazing. It really, it is ridiculous. 1358 01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:45,360 Last year there definitely was like this week one data point is 1359 01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:47,280 really like the scary one week one. 1360 01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:50,160 Last year, maybe this was the plan for Zay Jones got banged 1361 01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:53,360 up. Christian Kirk played just 66% 1362 01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:56,520 or ran just 66% of the routes. After that week though, there 1363 01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:59,440 really wasn't a huge difference between, you know, when Zay 1364 01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:01,680 Jones was healthy and when he wasn't. 1365 01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:06,120 Christian Kirk still averaged 85% of the routes even with Zay 1366 01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:08,280 Jones healthy. That's due to the Jaguars just 1367 01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:12,480 playing a ton of 11 personnel that didn't really run much, 12 1368 01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:15,000 last year. So, yeah, start with you, Rhoda 1369 01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:16,240 Pad. Are you worried at all about 1370 01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:18,240 Christian Kirk? Like, you think there's a, you 1371 01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:21,680 know, a big difference between Ridley and Zay Jones to Brian 1372 01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:26,240 Thomas and Gabe Davis in terms of Kirk's outlook for 2024. 1373 01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:28,640 Christian Kirk's the kind of player I just always worry 1374 01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:30,480 about. And I think like it's been 1375 01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:33,960 overreactions, but I feel like it was people coming back to 1376 01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:37,280 reality like Christian Kirk is like the hard capped player. 1377 01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:40,600 Like there's just a totally hard ceiling with Christian Kirk. 1378 01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:45,000 Maybe Brian Thomas has like through like through the bottom 1379 01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:48,000 of the house floor. Like the floor can totally drop 1380 01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:50,440 out for Brian Thomas. There's a least unknown ceiling 1381 01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:52,960 there. He's like been flashing a lot of 1382 01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:58,080 his like his like pre draft like skill set has been showing up on 1383 01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:00,600 the pre season field and more like the practice field. 1384 01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:04,200 But it has been showing up like the upside Brian Thomas outcomes 1385 01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:08,000 like wow and is the classic anytime there's a first round 1386 01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:09,840 ride receiver that doesn't get hyped. 1387 01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:13,880 Like in general, if you're gonna overhype or underhype a first 1388 01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:16,680 round receiver, you're always better off overhyping them 1389 01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:20,359 because there's like a failure of imagination a lot of times 1390 01:08:20,399 --> 01:08:23,319 with like first round picks, like where especially like in 1391 01:08:23,319 --> 01:08:26,240 the 20s, you'd like focus on the negatives where I think it was a 1392 01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:27,840 reminder to focus on the positive. 1393 01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:30,680 These guys and Brian Thomas has been flashing the positive. 1394 01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:34,040 Like Christian Kirk's is another guy a lot of especially people 1395 01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:36,800 like me who aren't drafting like literally every day. 1396 01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:39,479 But you don't need to give me reasons to not take Christian. 1397 01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:41,040 I already was not taking Christian Kirk. 1398 01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:43,479 Like I'd rather be dead than drafting Christian Kirk like he 1399 01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:45,680 was just not doing. It is Brian Thomas like a 1400 01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:48,560 generational wide receiver. 4 prospect I think. 1401 01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:50,960 Was he only the wide receiver four or was he like the wide 1402 01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:53,720 receiver six, I think. Generational widers here 5. 1403 01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:58,120 Yeah, if I remember correctly I think wasn't Justin Jefferson 1404 01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:00,920 the 5th drafted Widers? That's a generational wider 05. 1405 01:09:01,319 --> 01:09:08,200 Out of the JSN hole I believe 22 I think. 1406 01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:11,640 So. JSN. 1407 01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:14,600 I like that you can only think in terms of JSN wrote a pack, 1408 01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:16,359 because that's how kind of my brain works, yeah. 1409 01:09:16,359 --> 01:09:18,160 That's definitely. That's definitely Sam. 1410 01:09:18,319 --> 01:09:20,840 Listen. All of us, somehow, one way or 1411 01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:22,399 another. Last, the other Yeah, we were 1412 01:09:22,399 --> 01:09:23,960 all broken. Yeah. 1413 01:09:24,319 --> 01:09:26,160 But yeah, Brian Thomas, the thing about Brian Thomas I 1414 01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:29,520 wanted to bring up is that like all offseason, the beats in 1415 01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:32,160 Jacksonville were like, yeah, this guy's like, not that good. 1416 01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:36,560 He's not really flashing. He makes one like in ( 1 play in 1417 01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:38,080 the preseason. And now all of a sudden the 1418 01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:40,040 beats are like, yeah, this guy's the best we've ever seen. 1419 01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:43,800 Actually not. True, John Shipley has has like 1420 01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:47,880 Brian Thomas, Yeah. But their their tone changed a 1421 01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:52,960 lot after the preseason game. Well, I think maybe I to me it 1422 01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:56,120 was something that had already shifted and then it became a 1423 01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:58,280 megaphone once. We agree with. 1424 01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:03,360 That already started to hear. So what I I was cracking up when 1425 01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:05,520 we were doing our rankings discussion last week. 1426 01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:08,880 I was like, we are so sick that we've actually like you know how 1427 01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:12,480 we used to get biased for like 8 weeks by what happened week 1? 1428 01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:17,480 I guess we still do, but we're now biased against Brian Thomas 1429 01:10:17,480 --> 01:10:20,040 because of two days to start training camp. 1430 01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:22,800 Like that's how in the weeds. Because that's because that's 1431 01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:24,560 when we're most locked in is right when training camp. 1432 01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:26,960 Like name something that happened at Bill's training camp 1433 01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:28,600 the last week. You don't know. 1434 01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:32,400 Right, people, People. Ease back, they cut Khalil 1435 01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:34,960 Shakur and. No one knows that. 1436 01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:40,680 I. But the the Communicate reports 1437 01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:43,520 shifted on Thomas after the first like three or four days. 1438 01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:44,880 They were like, this dude's starting to make plays 1439 01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:47,320 downfield. He's really difficult to cover 1440 01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:49,880 downfield. Hopefully he can add more to his 1441 01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:52,440 repertoire, but he's already showing that he's he's like a 1442 01:10:52,440 --> 01:10:55,360 legit downfield receiver. Yeah, I think he's one of the 1443 01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:57,760 the best fix. And I think so. 1444 01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:00,680 Especially on like DraftKings. I keep bringing up DraftKings. 1445 01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:03,640 It's the only place I'm. Alive he is super cheap. 1446 01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:06,780 Super cheap on other platforms. He's going to be like non 1447 01:11:06,780 --> 01:11:09,760 existent too and like, you know, like my kind of like home 1448 01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:10,720 leagues. Redress. 1449 01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:14,320 Yeah, you, you literally you, you literally have to like hit 1450 01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:17,440 the scroll function on your mouse like three times to. 1451 01:11:17,440 --> 01:11:19,440 Get you lock the scroll button here this. 1452 01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:22,800 Yeah, you lock, you lock. This goes all the way down. 1453 01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:25,920 Yeah, he's got the boring name name factor too, for your home 1454 01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:27,400 leagues. Like people are going to see 1455 01:11:27,440 --> 01:11:30,080 Brian Thomas and be like, I'm taking Xavier. 1456 01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:32,360 They're going to have no idea if he's like Ricky or not like 1457 01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:35,280 Brian. Like you said, an anodyne name 1458 01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:36,560 ever like. Yeah. 1459 01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:44,600 I could pick are are we? Worried at all, even a even a 1460 01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:49,200 smidge about these? The Jaguars beats saying it 1461 01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:51,400 actually looks like they're asking Gabe Davis to be a real 1462 01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:54,840 wide receiver. Like instead of just running 9 1463 01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:56,480 routes. I looked at the Jags. 1464 01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:59,760 Doug Peterson seems to never have any idea what he's doing. 1465 01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:02,480 Ever since the Super Bowl. Like seems to never. 1466 01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:04,720 Have It's a real one. This is a real. 1467 01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:08,400 One that's a real one. Yeah, it's no clue and I do 1468 01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:11,920 worry about that. We can move past this Christian 1469 01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:14,400 Kirk comparison. Nothing really big. 1470 01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:19,400 To see here. This is the you know about this, 1471 01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:22,120 this is like, this is like the lifeblood of this show. 1472 01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:25,760 Yeah, I didn't know this one actually. 1473 01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:28,160 I had, I had like made this chart and then I realized I had 1474 01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:30,960 no way to, to segue to it. Like why am I comparing 1475 01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:33,640 Christian Kirk to you again? You know why? 1476 01:12:35,480 --> 01:12:40,560 It's all about the injuries. This will actually be good. 1477 01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:44,400 Teagans. Dark secret for Teagans is that 1478 01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:48,520 it's never been good. It's kind of an open secret on 1479 01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:49,520 this. It is actually. 1480 01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:56,600 It's. On the show, Rico Dowdle, we got 1481 01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:58,040 to talk about. Because it's. 1482 01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:02,040 Hired Crane wrote an article about him, so we got to talk 1483 01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:03,280 about him. Crane. 1484 01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:04,160 I'll, I'll give you the floor here. 1485 01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:05,600 I read your article. Everyone should check it out on 1486 01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:08,840 Legendary Upside. Something about you don't even 1487 01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:10,400 have to be right about Rico Dowdell. 1488 01:13:10,440 --> 01:13:12,560 I'm butchering the title, but I thought that was a good article. 1489 01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:15,640 Give the case for why Dowdell should go even higher if you 1490 01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:18,400 think you should. Yeah, it's talking about barely 1491 01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:20,080 being right. We're like, we want to, to the 1492 01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:23,320 extent possible, we don't want to have to like hit huge home 1493 01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:24,840 runs. And you know how different we 1494 01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:27,240 are from the field. And Dowdell I think just gives 1495 01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:30,160 us basically, I'm saying I think his range of outcomes, although 1496 01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:34,360 it includes bad scenarios where they sign someone like Miles 1497 01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:37,240 Sanders or Magic P Ryan or whatever like that. 1498 01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:41,320 That's obviously a huge problem and you'll feel really bad about 1499 01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:44,600 drafting him if that happens. But if that doesn't happen, 1500 01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:47,840 you're getting a guy who's competing against Zeke right 1501 01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:49,320 now. He's splitting reps with the 1502 01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:52,800 ones he's being priced at like the same level of Blake Quorum 1503 01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:56,080 where it's like it's a pure contingency based bet. 1504 01:13:56,480 --> 01:14:01,480 So you're getting like even if he was just the locked in RB2 to 1505 01:14:01,480 --> 01:14:04,880 Zeke's RB1, we would be interested at this price. 1506 01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:07,880 So you're getting a lot of upside of that. 1507 01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:11,760 He takes that job really not baked into the ADP. 1508 01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:15,680 Now maybe it's balancing out the risk of him turning to a zero if 1509 01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:17,840 they signed someone. But my thing with the signing is 1510 01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:20,960 like he would still go in like the Roshan Johnson area. 1511 01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:24,880 I think like they're bringing in like washed Miles Sanders or 1512 01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:27,240 some cast off like Izzy Abandacanda. 1513 01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:30,640 Even AP Rhyme like P rhyme would mostly play on passing downs. 1514 01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:32,600 He'd kind of be a spider man meme. 1515 01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:36,680 Spider Man points to Zeke so because I think I stole from 1516 01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:40,240 Reeves. But anyway, the the the guys 1517 01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:42,960 they would bring in, like Khalil Herbert was the one that scared 1518 01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:46,400 me because that's that's kind of like the one for one replacement 1519 01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:48,040 for the role I envisioned for Dowdell. 1520 01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:51,280 But like I don't think that's happening. 1521 01:14:52,480 --> 01:14:58,320 So I'm basically feeling that Dowdell's ADP kind of reflects 1522 01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:01,520 like just a weaker bet than he actually is if things break 1523 01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:04,080 right for him. So I am, I am taking him. 1524 01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:07,200 I'm kind of, I would say somewhere in the early one 1525 01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:11,080 hundreds is where I go, OK, this now feels properly priced. 1526 01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:12,880 But I mean, this dude was going in the one 30s. 1527 01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:17,280 He's now in the one 20s. Once he is in the one teens, it 1528 01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:19,360 feels a lot. Wouldn't you just take him over 1529 01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:21,000 like truths? Can I give you some truths? 1530 01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:23,560 Here sure wouldn't. Wouldn't you just take him to 1531 01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:26,160 like RB29? Well, who's so? 1532 01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:29,200 Who's that over? Like Brian Robinson. 1533 01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:32,480 No, I wouldn't take him over Robinson I don't think cuz cuz 1534 01:15:32,480 --> 01:15:34,640 Robinson's almost like what I hope he is. 1535 01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:38,040 I'm hoping I'm getting Brian Robinson on the Cowboys, but I 1536 01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:40,200 think Robinson is in a decent enough situation. 1537 01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:44,480 I would just take Robinson. I would take him over Javonte 1538 01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:47,520 probably, but I guess I'm not a reliable Javonte narrator. 1539 01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:52,440 I think that's. Is the Shane Vereen of something 1540 01:15:52,440 --> 01:15:54,680 I got to, I got to work more on this one, but he's the Shane 1541 01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:58,280 Vereen of something. Shane Vereen of Rashard Higgins. 1542 01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:01,840 No, you can't. You can't do cross positional. 1543 01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:04,480 No, I meant not, damn it. Who's no? 1544 01:16:04,480 --> 01:16:09,160 I think he's the Dernest Johnson of Dernest Johnson of Dante 1545 01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:12,520 Foremans, I think. I like. 1546 01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:14,840 That's good. John said Beyoncé's foreman's. 1547 01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:17,040 Yeah, that's pretty good. Actually, that's pretty good. 1548 01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:19,320 Yeah, good. By the way, I was trying to do 1549 01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:21,560 one earlier and I couldn't think of Michael Bush. 1550 01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:24,480 It was driving me crazy. I went with Tyrone Wheatley, but 1551 01:16:24,480 --> 01:16:26,080 I really. Won't do Broncos running back 1552 01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:28,280 Michael Bush he. Was Raiders Raiders Michael Bush 1553 01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:30,320 right? I was totally obsessed. 1554 01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:33,160 Tie all that in together. I was obsessed with the idea 1555 01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:35,240 that the Cowboys would just trade for Javonte Williams. 1556 01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:38,080 I haven't seen any buzz to that effect whatsoever. 1557 01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:40,720 I think, I think sneakily, Sean Payton, like, loves Javonte. 1558 01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:42,800 Williams, he I think I'm starting trying to believe it. 1559 01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:44,200 I am starting to believe it does. 1560 01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:47,360 Shane Berine of Benny Snell's Kevin Tompkins got it. 1561 01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:49,400 Alex. Collins of Chris Carson's. 1562 01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:54,520 That's pretty good. It's pretty good, but it's two. 1563 01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:56,040 They're two similar. Styles. 1564 01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:57,880 I don't know if the style's really the same there either. 1565 01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:00,360 It's. Hard to say. 1566 01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:03,120 All right, where, where are we on the show I wanted to get rid 1567 01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:03,400 of? Pets. 1568 01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:07,120 I wanted to get rid of pets. Rico Dowd will take. 1569 01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:09,960 Yeah. What are what are your thoughts 1570 01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:11,640 on him here? You know, he's being priced on 1571 01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:15,080 underdog at like running back 35. 1572 01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:17,680 I think it is. I don't know, even later 38, I 1573 01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:19,960 assume even in home links he's maybe even going later than 1574 01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:21,720 that. Here's your take over at Pat. 1575 01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:25,200 I'm just I'd much rather bet on the unknown upside principle 1576 01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:27,720 with Rico Dadel than than whatever the principle is with 1577 01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:33,160 Zeke at this point. And like I'm 0.0 drafting Zeke 1578 01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:37,640 and not like drafting Rico dado a lot but there we I just read 1579 01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:40,240 I'm betting on the unknown outcome where I feel like I know 1580 01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:42,120 every Zeke outcome and they're all shitty. 1581 01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:45,280 And like I'm betting on the unknown outcomes with Rico dado. 1582 01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:48,760 Even if it comes to nothing in the end, which it's still very 1583 01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:52,160 well might I, I still just cannot shake the feeling that 1584 01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:54,720 the the Cowboys backfield touch leader is not on the. 1585 01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:57,840 Team not on the roster, yeah. Yeah, everyone can shake that 1586 01:17:57,840 --> 01:17:59,360 feeling. That's why both of their 1587 01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:01,600 starting running backs are going outside the top 120. 1588 01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:02,520 It's true. It's true. 1589 01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:06,120 That is why, because I mean Cowboys running back, if if you 1590 01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:09,480 were to like build a model that would project, you know, 1591 01:18:09,480 --> 01:18:12,240 expected fantasy points for the league average running back 1592 01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:15,280 across across all rosters, Cowboys have to be top five, 1593 01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:16,600 right? Like really high scoring 1594 01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:18,360 offense. Led the NFL in points last 1595 01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:23,160 season and their second skill position player does not go 1596 01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:25,400 until Jake Ferguson and their running back doesn't go till 1597 01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:27,320 running back 38. Here's the way to think. 1598 01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:30,280 About it might be pointing to Cowboys offensive collapse. 1599 01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:31,400 I have been. Worried about this? 1600 01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:33,520 Yeah, people are pretty woke at this, I think. 1601 01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:36,680 Well, the offensive line is still rated pretty well and 1602 01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:40,600 DAC's still DAC. So I'm, I guess I'm, I'm 1603 01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:43,000 skeptical of a total offensive collapse like that's. 1604 01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:45,640 Isn't the offensive line of like no depth? 1605 01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:48,640 Like if they stay pretty healthy I think the offensive line is 1606 01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:51,200 fine, but. I'm not sure how deep it is 1607 01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:52,480 there's. The depth issues with the 1608 01:18:52,480 --> 01:18:57,600 Cowboys off and like some injury concerns, here's. 1609 01:18:58,200 --> 01:18:59,680 Here's a way to think about this. 1610 01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:05,160 This running back thing, let's say that we get a running back 1611 01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:08,200 to sign here. That is essentially a weak 1612 01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:10,400 incumbent starter, right? We're talking about like Miles 1613 01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:12,280 Sanders. We were betting against Miles 1614 01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:14,280 Sanders last year as a weak incumbent starter. 1615 01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:16,320 He'd be an even weaker incumbent start. 1616 01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:18,840 Let's grant him that he's the starter, OK? 1617 01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:25,800 Zeke and Dowdle as the RB2 would be worth the current prices that 1618 01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:28,200 they have now. What you would need to be right 1619 01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:30,880 about which one is the RV two because the other one would be a 1620 01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:34,040 really overpriced RV 3. But like you're getting, even if 1621 01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:38,240 someone comes and becomes the one here, I think one of these 1622 01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:42,360 two guys, Zeke or Dowdle would still be worth their current 1623 01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:44,880 price. So that's why I'm just like we 1624 01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:46,680 are pricing in way too much fear. 1625 01:19:47,440 --> 01:19:49,240 I've been with the Ukraine on this for so long. 1626 01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:53,480 Like Dowdell's Price was like in the one 80s before the NFL draft 1627 01:19:53,480 --> 01:19:55,200 because everyone was saying, oh, they're going to draft someone, 1628 01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:57,680 They're going to draft someone. And I was saying, OK, even if 1629 01:19:57,680 --> 01:20:02,280 they do Rico Dowdell as the handcuff in like the one 80s or 1630 01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:05,720 one 90s, Like it doesn't seem like I'm making the worst bet in 1631 01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:08,160 the world there. I just think there's just no 1632 01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:12,320 belief in this guy that didn't record an NFL touch until what, 1633 01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:14,160 year three or year four of his career? 1634 01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:17,240 Like people just. Are giving this guy absolutely 1635 01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:19,240 nothing and I don't really understand it. 1636 01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:22,240 He's, I think my highest on running back, just purely 1637 01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:24,280 betting on the situation. I don't really have any real 1638 01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:26,560 takes on if he's like that good of a player. 1639 01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:29,520 The situation is just too good for me to ignore. 1640 01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:32,880 I'll say the addition. If you're a Rico guy, you want 1641 01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:35,280 the addition to be a free agent and not a trade. 1642 01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:38,120 You want the addition free agent, not a trade. 1643 01:20:38,480 --> 01:20:42,000 By the way, I couldn't remember. It's like Tyler Guyton was a 1644 01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:44,080 very divisive first round. It looks like though, he's been 1645 01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:46,400 amazing. Looks like, yeah, I, that was 1646 01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:49,520 the name I was trying to recall was all the offensive line nerds 1647 01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:51,480 are saying. He's incredible. 1648 01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:54,480 Tyler Guyton's incredible. The Cowboys offensive collapse 1649 01:20:54,480 --> 01:20:57,960 is not going to happen, man. They how is Brandon Cooks the 1650 01:20:57,960 --> 01:20:58,920 number diet? I don't know. 1651 01:20:59,440 --> 01:21:01,800 Well, how did this happen? Karina, are you or or not? 1652 01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:03,560 Karan? Pat, are you woke to to the 1653 01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:06,440 Jalen Tolbert offseason? I've been doing a little bit I'm 1654 01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:08,720 I'm woke to everyone else being woke to it. 1655 01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:10,960 Yeah, everyone else is way too woke, this is. 1656 01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:14,000 You know, you know. We need a conservative backlash 1657 01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:16,280 on Jalen Tolbert. Did you read? 1658 01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:19,080 Did you read this cowboys.com story about him? 1659 01:21:19,440 --> 01:21:21,720 No, I have not somehow. So. 1660 01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:23,920 It sounds like I don't want to. I don't. 1661 01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:25,240 I don't want to be. I'm about to. 1662 01:21:25,320 --> 01:21:29,440 I'm about to ruin your day. Basically, he spent the entirety 1663 01:21:29,440 --> 01:21:30,880 of the offseason. He lives in the same 1664 01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:33,480 neighborhood as Dak Prescott. And apparently every day this 1665 01:21:33,480 --> 01:21:37,440 summer they would wake up, have breakfast, and then just run 1666 01:21:37,440 --> 01:21:39,920 routes in Dak's literal backyard. 1667 01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:43,640 And what Dak said was that every year, my career, I picked one 1668 01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:47,520 guy to work out with. Last year it was CD Lamb. 1669 01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:51,520 The year before it was Dalton Schultz before Dalton Schultz's 1670 01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:54,120 career year. And basically he was like, you 1671 01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:58,320 know, I don't think he's going to have CDs season, but he could 1672 01:21:58,360 --> 01:22:00,840 like he was basically just like he was basically like you, You 1673 01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:02,600 should be woke to Jalen Tolberg, but you just. 1674 01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:03,920 Described real quick before packet. 1675 01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:07,360 You just described Brandon Cook's surprise cut season. 1676 01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:11,560 No, I think what you described is Dallas Cowboys total 1677 01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:17,240 offensive collapse. Can I, I'd like to, I'd like to 1678 01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:20,080 argue against that because I've seen a lot of this in the 1679 01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:22,480 YouTube comments and stuff. And what I would like to say 1680 01:22:22,480 --> 01:22:25,960 against that is this is just total back press Scott erasure. 1681 01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:28,560 Like it's, it's everyone being like Dak always sucks in the 1682 01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:29,920 playoffs. So it means he's bad. 1683 01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:31,680 Dak is like the 8th best quarterback. 1684 01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:33,800 He's like the 8th best quarterback in the NFL. 1685 01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:37,720 Like we, we can stop, we can stop with the, the Cowboys maybe 1686 01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:38,920 aren't going to lead the NFL in points. 1687 01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:40,560 Maybe they're ninth in the NFL in points. 1688 01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:42,800 They're not going. It's not going to be collapse. 1689 01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:44,440 It's not going to be they go to 0. 1690 01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:47,600 I, no, I, I agree. I, I've had a really hard time 1691 01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:50,080 getting over with the Tolbert stuff of like guy who's never 1692 01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:52,640 been good, you know, has breakfast with DAC. 1693 01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:54,560 That's, that's definitely worth something. 1694 01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:57,200 But like, I don't know if it's worth like him jumping 4 rounds 1695 01:22:57,200 --> 01:23:00,160 in ADP and like, you still got Turpin there. 1696 01:23:00,440 --> 01:23:03,120 There's like some of these young guys that could get more work 1697 01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:05,960 over the course of the season. Flournoy had a like weirdly 1698 01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:08,440 positive quote from McCarthy Day. 1699 01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:11,440 Flournoy. Flournoy was he wanted to talk 1700 01:23:11,440 --> 01:23:13,760 about being woke. He had a very good third quarter 1701 01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:15,720 in the preseason game with with Lance against. 1702 01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:19,600 He had like 6 catches on a drive and like a very good route and 1703 01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:22,160 touchdown. Like, I was kind of impressed. 1704 01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:24,400 I kept him over DeMarcus Robinson, if you're wondering. 1705 01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:26,520 You know, you know ball. You know, ball. 1706 01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:30,360 Yeah, you know, you know Ball. There we go. 1707 01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:33,000 It's settled. It's settled. 1708 01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:38,000 All right, we, we had it. We had to get, we had to get to 1709 01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:42,800 this topic today. Rotopat, he called it last year 1710 01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:45,600 Cooper Cup did hit the target Cliff. 1711 01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:48,480 Now the question is, can he climb back up from that target? 1712 01:23:48,480 --> 01:23:49,920 Cliff, when does the target Cliff fade? 1713 01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:51,240 Is it? It's just your career, You're 1714 01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:52,560 done. Yeah, it's over. 1715 01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:53,480 It's like the running back thing. 1716 01:23:53,480 --> 01:23:55,560 You never get your legs back. It's over. 1717 01:23:55,720 --> 01:23:58,800 OK, that's that's too bad. Yeah. 1718 01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:01,960 But do you have any, any real takes on Cooper Cup? 1719 01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:03,000 What is? The target Cliff? 1720 01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:08,600 How many targets? 100 and 51150 after a certain 1721 01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:11,200 age. So you go back out. 1722 01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:15,600 I'm just going to go see you go back-to-back. 1:50 it's really 1723 01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:17,160 over. Like you can maybe do that. 1724 01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:19,680 You can do it maybe twice if you're lucky. 1725 01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:25,240 And my taking cup is that I am out and like, he is not. 1726 01:24:25,480 --> 01:24:27,640 We're going to use a lion I've used a few times. 1727 01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:31,200 Like he didn't exactly become the next Michael Thomas because 1728 01:24:31,200 --> 01:24:34,400 he has at least played amidst the injuries the past two years. 1729 01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:37,840 Like really disturbed by the cratering efficiency. 1730 01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:42,400 Only 34th and 1.77 yards per route run last season. 1731 01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:47,560 And like this is like, it wouldn't be like the most insane 1732 01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:51,360 thing to turn back the clock, I guess at age 31, but it would 1733 01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:54,800 not be the most likely outcome. And I guess the positive case is 1734 01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:57,760 Puka has injury uncertainty of his own. 1735 01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:00,480 Like Puka has a really long injury history and there's a 1736 01:25:00,480 --> 01:25:05,160 chance the Puka was like a rare first year career year type of 1737 01:25:05,160 --> 01:25:06,640 guy. I don't I probably don't believe 1738 01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:09,120 that, but I still don't. I don't think it's a deep skill 1739 01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:12,600 core despite the DeMarcus Robinson Bros, but I just think 1740 01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:15,440 the injuries have really, really taken a toll on Cooper Cup. 1741 01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:18,240 Like the declining efficiency I can't shake. 1742 01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:20,400 Like the injury issues, I just can't shake. 1743 01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:23,000 And again, he's at least gotten on the field, unlike Michael 1744 01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:25,840 Thomas. But I I just don't know how 1745 01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:29,680 Cooper Cup throws like basically like the decline car into 1746 01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:31,960 reverse at this point. He just seems like he's in 1747 01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:34,960 decline to be and it'd be a huge deal if he played all 17 games. 1748 01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:39,000 I guess he's top 20 no matter what if he plays all 17 games. 1749 01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:42,160 But I just don't know why you'd expect Cooper Cup to play 17 1750 01:25:42,160 --> 01:25:45,760 games at this point. It's my very like, not 1751 01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:48,560 scientific take. But he's not a totally healthy 1752 01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:50,120 offseason. Like, it's not like he's coming 1753 01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:52,680 in off of a, you know, a big injury. 1754 01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:55,480 Maybe he knows how to manage it during the offseason. 1755 01:25:55,480 --> 01:25:58,160 I would hope so after being like, you know, in the NFL for 1756 01:25:58,160 --> 01:26:01,120 seven or eight years. But like, once like the regular 1757 01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:02,920 season starts, like, what's going to stop this guy from 1758 01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:05,440 getting hurt? Couples also like, you know, 1759 01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:11,320 beloved hard worker, kind of like he's he as far as a guy 1760 01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:15,160 kind of doing the right things, taking care of his body, like 1761 01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:17,400 being prepared with a with a full offseason. 1762 01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:19,040 He's not recovering from anything now. 1763 01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:23,400 Just you go from like a literal all time top three or four 1764 01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:28,600 receiver season to somehow 1.77 yards per outrun in two years. 1765 01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:29,840 Like I just. I. 1766 01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:30,840 Don't. Yeah, he's playing through a 1767 01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:32,600 couple different injuries over the course of the year. 1768 01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:35,080 Well, the guys don't get healthier at age 31, though. 1769 01:26:35,080 --> 01:26:37,880 That's kind of what I was. Even if he is ostensibly healthy 1770 01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:42,040 right now or in that he's not battling like a current injury. 1771 01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:46,800 Like all that, like accumulation is very real and I just don't. 1772 01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:49,240 And some of it's hamstring stuff, which is obviously 1773 01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:52,040 recurring. Yeah, it can be recurring. 1774 01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:54,440 So I hear you there. I don't know, he's always been 1775 01:26:54,440 --> 01:26:56,080 kind of a peaks and valleys guy though too. 1776 01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:58,640 And maybe he's got. More I I just I will not I 1777 01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:02,680 honestly will not stand for this, but the target Cliff it's 1778 01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:06,960 it's it's it's it's one of the greatest bits of all time, but 1779 01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:07,720 it. Wasn't a bit. 1780 01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:11,360 Where where I I'm? Just looking at the target clip 1781 01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:17,040 and like the just buckets of receivers who've hit it, 150 is 1782 01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:18,440 way too low. You're going to need to set up 1783 01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:22,520 Jarrett Wilson has hit this target like we're we need. 1784 01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:26,560 171717170. All right, still a lot of guys. 1785 01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:29,200 It's still a lot of guys. Here's Hey, Karen. 1786 01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:32,400 Wilson's already hitting the target next year. 1787 01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:38,280 Man Karen Wilson's hit the. Clip if Cooper cup was 32 or 33 1788 01:27:38,480 --> 01:27:43,520 or if he had not literally like missed like gone on IR and not 1789 01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:46,560 not come back and then immediately changed Bukanakuas 1790 01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:49,080 targets per route run yards per route run stats. 1791 01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:52,240 I I'd be more in on this. I think this is kind of it's 1792 01:27:52,240 --> 01:27:54,600 kind of the key to an Allen argument, except the cup was way 1793 01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:58,520 better to begin with. Like Cup at his peak, at the 1794 01:27:58,520 --> 01:28:01,360 most PPR points any player's ever had in a season. 1795 01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:03,560 More. More than Calvin Johnson, more 1796 01:28:03,560 --> 01:28:04,800 than Randy Moss. Like. 1797 01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:06,800 Isn't it like the? He's already two and he said. 1798 01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:10,120 Isn't it the ultimate? Yard seasons like he's just I I 1799 01:28:10,120 --> 01:28:11,880 just don't. This is not a guy I see like 1800 01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:14,680 turning back the clock. I also I just think that looking 1801 01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:17,680 at like a player's peak season and then treating that as 1802 01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:21,960 they're they're sealing out come two years later is just like, I 1803 01:28:22,120 --> 01:28:24,480 don't know. I feel like we always rag on rag 1804 01:28:24,480 --> 01:28:26,000 on people. This is Sam this. 1805 01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:28,240 Is Sam Sherman logic, though? You're not drafting him there. 1806 01:28:28,240 --> 01:28:29,800 He's the wide receiver. 19 the other. 1807 01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:32,320 Thing, yeah, but the other thing, these, these are the 1808 01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:33,960 guys. He's going ahead of now. 1809 01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:37,560 He's going ahead of Leak Neighbors Brandon Iuke, Devonta 1810 01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:41,080 Smith, DK Metcalf, DJ Moore, Tank Del Stefan Diggs Like I, I, 1811 01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:43,000 I. Couldn't wind Horse any harder 1812 01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:45,600 right now? So last season is doing a lot of 1813 01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:48,400 work here with this argument because The thing is like, do we 1814 01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:52,200 not care that the season after he hit the target Cliff, the 1815 01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:54,720 season where he was ineffective now because his legs are gone 1816 01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:59,760 because he hit the target Cliff the year before he had 22.6 PPR 1817 01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:01,440 points per game. That doesn't matter. 1818 01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:04,720 I think that matters, guys. He was still really good. 1819 01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:09,320 He was still really. Irreversible, but that's still. 1820 01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:11,760 That's still. Two years ago and he played 1821 01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:13,280 what, like six games that season? 1822 01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:17,600 You think he played nine games? Yeah, they can't reverse it. 1823 01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:19,760 They just they tried. Nine games, it's not nothing. 1824 01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:21,960 It's a it's a medical condition. They tend to. 1825 01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:25,080 It's an irreversible decline. I did, to be honest, I wasn't 1826 01:29:25,080 --> 01:29:27,400 factoring in enough that he's an irreversible decline. 1827 01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:27,880 That's. True. 1828 01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:30,400 Listen, I will the only thing I will seriously say about the 1829 01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:33,880 yards per outrun, it's been like over half a yard each the past 1830 01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:34,680 two years. But. 1831 01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:39,160 Pat, he was at 3.12. I know just, I know just your 1832 01:29:39,160 --> 01:29:43,520 baseline expectation would be regression like not, not based 1833 01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:46,280 on talent, not based on falling off or age or anything, just 1834 01:29:46,280 --> 01:29:48,920 based on it is it's extremely difficult to keep that up. 1835 01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:52,520 It'd be one thing if he was just like normal age regressing. 1836 01:29:52,520 --> 01:29:55,360 He's also injury regressing. I just don't, I don't think like 1837 01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:58,280 you don't get that back. What what he lost with those 1838 01:29:58,280 --> 01:30:00,480 injuries. I think like, I just think you 1839 01:30:00,480 --> 01:30:02,000 don't get that back. He could. 1840 01:30:02,080 --> 01:30:05,800 I think he could get back to 2.4 which is where he was the. 1841 01:30:05,800 --> 01:30:16,280 Year ago, really late in stage. Cooper Cup be really high. 1842 01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:19,800 He's already said it's his last season. 1843 01:30:23,920 --> 01:30:25,880 But OK, two. .4 would be really high 2.4. 1844 01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:28,640 Would be that might be that might be bullish though, if he 1845 01:30:28,640 --> 01:30:31,400 did, if he did say it was his last season, the retirement 1846 01:30:31,440 --> 01:30:33,840 tour, he just leaves it all out there. 1847 01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:35,920 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, like basically him and 1848 01:30:35,920 --> 01:30:38,320 Stafford are saying this is it, You know, this is a real 1849 01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:41,120 Expendables thing, like one last one last job. 1850 01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:43,920 David Ortiz. It's a good moment to hit an 1851 01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:47,040 hour 30 into the show. Is that Super Cup retiring? 1852 01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:51,840 Would actually be bullish. Nothing, nothing anyone could 1853 01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:53,640 say it's the same thing with Devante Adams. 1854 01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:56,400 Like they could have a broomstick playing quarterback 1855 01:30:56,400 --> 01:30:57,960 and I'd be like, I'm not not playing that. 1856 01:30:58,080 --> 01:31:01,560 Like I just some taking these. Hang on, I do want to just note 1857 01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:07,200 that Devante Adams, he hit 168 targets in 2022, thankfully 1858 01:31:07,200 --> 01:31:08,640 coming just under the target Cliff. 1859 01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:10,920 Just under the Cliff. He was good now last year. 1860 01:31:11,040 --> 01:31:15,160 Great season, but I hate to report there's 171 targets over 1861 01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:16,520 the Cliff. Over done. 1862 01:31:16,520 --> 01:31:19,560 Now he's done. That was a real Jerry Seinfeld 1863 01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:23,160 ass voice, Kurt. Listen to Kyle. 1864 01:31:23,160 --> 01:31:24,800 He's over the Cliff. He's over the Cliff. 1865 01:31:25,080 --> 01:31:27,440 He's over the Cliff. Those two. 1866 01:31:27,440 --> 01:31:29,080 Extra targets. He just had to give him those 1867 01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:31,480 two extra targets in the EKT and huh and get him. 1868 01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:32,920 It's brutal, man. It's brutal. 1869 01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:34,640 I don't know. Was it worth it? 1870 01:31:34,760 --> 01:31:36,360 Was it worth it to take him over the Cliff? 1871 01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:38,560 I don't think so. I don't think it was come. 1872 01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:44,120 On it was not anyway, Cooper Cup sucks yeah he's. 1873 01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:45,880 Terrible. All right, moving on. 1874 01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:51,480 Moving on to the the Fallers, at the hour 30 mark, Marshawn 1875 01:31:51,480 --> 01:31:55,120 Lloyd's down 18 spots to the pick 164. 1876 01:31:57,080 --> 01:31:59,800 Yeah, this is obviously due to injury. 1877 01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:02,560 I think some concerns that AJ Dillon might have been ahead of 1878 01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:05,240 him even pre injury. Start with you Davis. 1879 01:32:05,240 --> 01:32:08,760 Is Marshawn Lloyd still in your player pool with all this 1880 01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:11,680 uncertainty around his? Well, famously I took Ricky 1881 01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:15,480 Pierce all over him in our main event like four days ago and I 1882 01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:18,800 said it's sick because we're going to cut either one of them 1883 01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:21,080 after week 1, so at least we'll be cutting a wide receiver 1884 01:32:21,280 --> 01:32:23,360 instead of running back. Honestly, I moved him way down 1885 01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:25,840 on my rankings for a combo reasons. 1886 01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:32,920 I think he's now firmly in the so it's like the argument that 1887 01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:36,040 obviously a bag defender would make was Devin a chain was a he 1888 01:32:36,080 --> 01:32:39,240 was a healthy scratch week one. He had one he had one carry for 1889 01:32:39,240 --> 01:32:41,320 four yards in week two. I mean, one, I don't think I 1890 01:32:41,320 --> 01:32:43,560 think Boyd is like far outside that type of player. 1891 01:32:43,960 --> 01:32:46,920 The other thing would be he was not exactly lighting up training 1892 01:32:46,920 --> 01:32:49,600 camp before it was the coaches were like, you know, he can't 1893 01:32:49,600 --> 01:32:53,040 stop fumbling. He is missing these pass blocks. 1894 01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:57,920 It's like he played six snaps on Family Night. 1895 01:32:58,120 --> 01:33:00,280 Famously the same number as Dantavian Wicks. 1896 01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:06,440 I I think I would rather take Braylon Allen. 1897 01:33:06,480 --> 01:33:07,960 I would rather take Bucky Irving. 1898 01:33:07,960 --> 01:33:10,160 I would rather take Ray Davis. I would rather take Julio 1899 01:33:10,160 --> 01:33:12,040 McLaughlin. I'd rather take Julio Wright. 1900 01:33:12,240 --> 01:33:16,160 So every time I'm in a position to select Marshawn Lloyd, I have 1901 01:33:16,160 --> 01:33:20,760 a player ranked higher than him and there's enough now I I'm not 1902 01:33:20,760 --> 01:33:22,520 trying to be too weak one brained. 1903 01:33:22,520 --> 01:33:24,960 I think there's still a very clear range of outcomes for him. 1904 01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:26,640 You're you're making a very clear bet. 1905 01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:29,800 It's just that the waters are so muddied now and I don't even 1906 01:33:29,800 --> 01:33:31,520 have to have weak one brain with Braylon Allen. 1907 01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:34,680 I'm like, no, but Marshawn Lloyd is Britain. 1908 01:33:34,680 --> 01:33:36,720 Allen is already what I want Marshawn Lloyd to be. 1909 01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:38,720 He, he's all he's already the running back. 1910 01:33:38,720 --> 01:33:40,240 I just, I mean, he's already the running back. 1911 01:33:40,400 --> 01:33:42,120 Ray Davis is already the running back too. 1912 01:33:42,120 --> 01:33:44,200 I don't have I don't have to. There's no projection that 1913 01:33:44,200 --> 01:33:46,960 already happened. Yeah, Ray Davis is honestly a 1914 01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:51,360 really good comp because like, or a comparison because like 1915 01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:55,160 part of the appeal with Marshawn Lloyd is that he's he's not 1916 01:33:55,160 --> 01:33:57,520 Braylon Allen. He's going to have a role, he's 1917 01:33:57,520 --> 01:33:58,800 going to be a part of a committee. 1918 01:33:59,120 --> 01:34:01,240 So we're going to get he's more in the Ty Chandler mold where 1919 01:34:01,240 --> 01:34:03,520 like there's going to be some spike weeks that we're going to 1920 01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:04,280 get. He's going to score some 1921 01:34:04,280 --> 01:34:06,080 touchdowns. He's going to hit your line up 1922 01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:07,360 occasionally in the early part of the season. 1923 01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:09,040 And then he also has a lot of contingent value. 1924 01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:12,440 But like, yeah, I have Ray Davis way ahead of him now because Ray 1925 01:34:12,440 --> 01:34:15,120 Davis looks like he's taking over for Ty Johnson as a is 1926 01:34:15,240 --> 01:34:17,960 running back to where he's in the process of doing that and 1927 01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:19,960 his, you know, gotten pretty good reports. 1928 01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:22,120 Lloyd. I don't know. 1929 01:34:22,120 --> 01:34:25,640 I mean, he could be the running back two or, you know, like a 1930 01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:27,560 rotational guy over the course of the year. 1931 01:34:27,560 --> 01:34:29,800 But the the odds seem to have gone down. 1932 01:34:30,160 --> 01:34:33,640 I still think I'd rather have him than like Bucky Irving, but 1933 01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:36,480 I haven't like I took on Antonio Gibson over him today. 1934 01:34:37,800 --> 01:34:39,200 That seems bad. That's pretty embarrassed. 1935 01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:40,200 There's that look. I mean it's. 1936 01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:44,160 Bad. It's bad for Lloyd, but Gibson. 1937 01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:46,640 I'm just saying dude, if the may thing happens. 1938 01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:49,600 Yeah, Grain was just doing that to set up a Drake May 18th round 1939 01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:52,040 pick. Well, no, there's been a little 1940 01:34:52,040 --> 01:34:55,040 bit of there's already. Sam, have you heard, have you 1941 01:34:55,040 --> 01:34:58,840 heard this, this chatter that that Gibson might be the better 1942 01:34:59,120 --> 01:35:01,320 stylistic fit for this Alex Van Pelt? 1943 01:35:03,240 --> 01:35:04,800 Sorry, Andy just roasted me this Kare. 1944 01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:06,440 Know that comp is short for comparison. 1945 01:35:07,720 --> 01:35:10,240 This is this is crazy, this is crazy. 1946 01:35:10,240 --> 01:35:13,760 But I googled it and it's true. Antonio Gibson is younger than 1947 01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:16,880 Romandre. Wow, that's bleak. 1948 01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:21,640 That's real, real bleak. Yeah, with Lloyd, I think that. 1949 01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:23,920 So the thing I'm trying to figure out with Lloyd, is it 1950 01:35:23,920 --> 01:35:28,360 good for him or bad for him that AJ Dillon, in a very similar 1951 01:35:28,360 --> 01:35:30,760 situation, was red shirted as a rookie? 1952 01:35:31,160 --> 01:35:32,880 Because this competition. Is now AJ. 1953 01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:36,640 Dillon the the analog, by the way, was week 16, then what is 1954 01:35:36,640 --> 01:35:39,600 week 17 now? AJ Dillon had, I believe the 1955 01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:42,080 fourth highest scoring game any running back had the entire 1956 01:35:42,080 --> 01:35:44,040 season that week against the Titans. 1957 01:35:44,200 --> 01:35:47,120 So don't don't draw the. There was the snow game, you 1958 01:35:47,120 --> 01:35:49,840 know, it's like. Was that not a a game where 1959 01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:51,320 they're arresting all their starters? 1960 01:35:52,120 --> 01:35:54,200 I don't remember. I honestly it's been so long 1961 01:35:54,200 --> 01:35:56,720 I've I've lost the context to what happened. 1962 01:35:56,760 --> 01:35:58,480 I just. Remember it snowed. 1963 01:35:59,040 --> 01:36:00,240 Yeah, yeah, I do remember. It's not. 1964 01:36:00,240 --> 01:36:01,480 I remember he looked really good in that game. 1965 01:36:01,480 --> 01:36:03,240 But anyways, I was just trying to figure out like we do have a 1966 01:36:03,240 --> 01:36:07,400 precedent of Lafleur just completely icing a Day 2 rookie 1967 01:36:07,400 --> 01:36:10,400 running back. Maybe his system is more complex 1968 01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:12,520 to pick up. I don't know what it is. 1969 01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:16,000 I still think like, you can't say that that's that bad for 1970 01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:19,000 Lloyd because Dylan was. Dylan's there. 1971 01:36:19,160 --> 01:36:20,280 He's. There Dylan was the one. 1972 01:36:20,280 --> 01:36:23,040 He was bad enough to not play. And this is competition. 1973 01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:26,240 So it kind of has twisted my brain into a circle. 1974 01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:27,200 Yeah. I don't know. 1975 01:36:27,280 --> 01:36:29,120 I don't have a hot take at 164 ADP. 1976 01:36:29,120 --> 01:36:31,680 This seems like the right reaction. 1977 01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:35,200 What is the problem with Lloyd is his career ceiling kind of 1978 01:36:35,200 --> 01:36:38,160 seems like committee member, like the Lightning member of a 1979 01:36:38,160 --> 01:36:41,000 committee. And it's like the fact that he's 1980 01:36:41,040 --> 01:36:43,640 like not living up to like, like, we just want you to be a 1981 01:36:43,640 --> 01:36:45,160 bit player, man. We just want you to be a role 1982 01:36:45,160 --> 01:36:46,600 player. The fact that he's like 1983 01:36:46,600 --> 01:36:49,240 struggling to be a role player. Well, to the to the red shirt 1984 01:36:49,240 --> 01:36:55,280 thing, I mean his he his like prospect profile definitely gave 1985 01:36:55,280 --> 01:36:58,760 me some Ronald Jones vibes. Like he's explosive. 1986 01:36:58,760 --> 01:37:02,520 Not that reliable though. And you know Ronald Jones, 1987 01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:05,360 really the reason I got so in on Ronald Jones is that he got 1988 01:37:05,360 --> 01:37:09,680 completely red shirted like as red shirted as a guy ever has in 1989 01:37:09,680 --> 01:37:13,000 the second round. And then he was written off and 1990 01:37:13,240 --> 01:37:15,200 basically it was like he he's complete dust. 1991 01:37:15,200 --> 01:37:17,600 No one can ever draft him and that's when I got Ronald Jones 1992 01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:19,680 built. But I could see the same thing 1993 01:37:19,680 --> 01:37:22,480 happening to Lloyd honestly, like it it is possible it's a 1994 01:37:22,480 --> 01:37:25,840 risk. It's just that man it it would 1995 01:37:25,840 --> 01:37:28,240 be. I would be still a bit surprised 1996 01:37:28,240 --> 01:37:31,680 though, given it's AJ Dillon and we know this team likes to use a 1997 01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:33,880 committee. So like Lloyd really has to be 1998 01:37:33,880 --> 01:37:35,360 bad, I think for this not to work out. 1999 01:37:35,360 --> 01:37:37,720 And that's kind of where I'd go to like the being the bare, like 2000 01:37:37,720 --> 01:37:41,000 barely being right idea of like what has to happen for this 2001 01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:43,560 player not to get a shot at some point this season is that he has 2002 01:37:43,560 --> 01:37:46,240 to be bad. Like I mean, Lloyd's like 2003 01:37:46,240 --> 01:37:47,720 mediocre. He still probably gets on the 2004 01:37:47,720 --> 01:37:50,000 field at some point. So I am I am interested in 2005 01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:52,240 mixing him in still at the reduced price. 2006 01:37:53,840 --> 01:37:56,520 I am as well. Let's move on here to another 2007 01:37:56,760 --> 01:38:00,360 rookie running back. Kamani Vidal, this is. 2008 01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:03,200 Alan Jobert, though, yeah, he's going to be on the risers next 2009 01:38:03,200 --> 01:38:06,880 week. On Jobert I, I already have the 2010 01:38:06,880 --> 01:38:08,200 graphic ready for that one, Davis. 2011 01:38:08,480 --> 01:38:10,840 He's definitely going to be back next week. 2012 01:38:12,640 --> 01:38:16,320 Yeah, it, it was so Jobert. And then it it got Barack really 2013 01:38:16,320 --> 01:38:19,760 quick after he. Got Barack on like three runs 2014 01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:22,160 where it's just like, obviously. You know why? 2015 01:38:22,160 --> 01:38:24,640 Because that's what it takes. We need three good runs in this 2016 01:38:24,640 --> 01:38:28,200 backfield like it's it's dire. Yeah, yeah. 2017 01:38:28,960 --> 01:38:33,440 At no point did you ever be behind Jared Patterson if it's 2018 01:38:33,440 --> 01:38:35,280 not Joe. No, people forget Jared 2019 01:38:35,280 --> 01:38:36,360 Patterson was like. Kind of. 2020 01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:38,280 I know that he's. Kind of an interesting. 2021 01:38:38,280 --> 01:38:41,160 Prospect he was he was like the smallest guy in the history of 2022 01:38:41,160 --> 01:38:44,640 the NFL and it just didn't work and it doesn't matter even if 2023 01:38:44,640 --> 01:38:46,760 you immediately. Have you heard of Juice von Pat? 2024 01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:50,080 I believe. Me watching, watching Juice Von 2025 01:38:50,080 --> 01:38:53,160 try and pass block for Trey Lance was like, it's like, this 2026 01:38:53,160 --> 01:38:55,680 is I probably wanted this at some point in my life. 2027 01:38:55,680 --> 01:38:57,160 Like probably at some point in my life. 2028 01:38:57,480 --> 01:39:03,720 I was like, that's the an ideal of an enemy and saw it happen in 2029 01:39:03,720 --> 01:39:06,600 a real game and I was like, maybe coaches do no more than 2030 01:39:06,600 --> 01:39:11,840 me. It doesn't matter if you jump 2031 01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:14,800 Jared Patterson literally the following day. 2032 01:39:15,080 --> 01:39:18,440 If you fall behind Jared Patterson in 2024 for even one 2033 01:39:18,440 --> 01:39:20,840 day, it's Jover and it'll you'll never. 2034 01:39:20,840 --> 01:39:21,720 Be Here's the thing. He never. 2035 01:39:22,400 --> 01:39:24,560 Was. This this was just Daniel. 2036 01:39:24,560 --> 01:39:26,920 What about Isaiah Spiller? Can you fall behind Isaiah 2037 01:39:26,920 --> 01:39:27,960 Spiller for one day? No. 2038 01:39:28,440 --> 01:39:29,800 No, no, you can't. You can't. 2039 01:39:29,800 --> 01:39:32,000 No, no. Absolutely. 2040 01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:35,400 Not it's even more Joker. It is, yeah. 2041 01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:36,920 It's Joker I. Hate. 2042 01:39:36,920 --> 01:39:39,160 No, I moved him. I moved him back up my rankings. 2043 01:39:39,320 --> 01:39:42,160 I'm I'm drafting Videl again. I will. 2044 01:39:42,240 --> 01:39:46,040 I don't understand why he would be behind like, like the failure 2045 01:39:46,040 --> 01:39:48,200 of imagination from the Chargers coaching staff. 2046 01:39:48,440 --> 01:39:51,480 It's like just like. Draft like he's banged up day 2047 01:39:51,480 --> 01:39:53,720 three guy you know they that's true. 2048 01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:55,840 They're like can we count on this guy like that's fair. 2049 01:39:56,360 --> 01:40:00,680 Jared Patterson does a you know he's like one of these guys were 2050 01:40:00,680 --> 01:40:03,320 like you throw them out there he's not going to you know he 2051 01:40:03,320 --> 01:40:05,880 can probably he could probably pass protect for Trey Lance too. 2052 01:40:05,880 --> 01:40:11,240 You know I. Don't know Deus spawn man. 2053 01:40:11,400 --> 01:40:13,280 I did keep him. I could have cut him. 2054 01:40:13,320 --> 01:40:15,080 I'm keeping him like a few more weeks. 2055 01:40:15,240 --> 01:40:17,280 You know who's going to be it? I think I might have kept 2056 01:40:17,280 --> 01:40:20,920 Robinson over him. Probably would have kept Debarky 2057 01:40:20,960 --> 01:40:23,120 Robinson. I have some near snappers I. 2058 01:40:23,360 --> 01:40:25,600 Have did you, did you not watch this game on Saturday night? 2059 01:40:25,600 --> 01:40:27,000 Probably not. You're probably with your loved 2060 01:40:27,040 --> 01:40:32,000 ones or something. But, but, but I mean, Deus Von, 2061 01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:35,600 he is like literally if he was 5-10, he would be Saquon 2062 01:40:35,600 --> 01:40:37,920 Barkley. I mean, he's, it's unbelievable. 2063 01:40:38,040 --> 01:40:40,520 He was 5/8. He would be Saquon Barkley. 2064 01:40:40,640 --> 01:40:42,600 He, he just. Can't you guys realized you're 2065 01:40:42,680 --> 01:40:45,880 wishing that Deus Von was as big as Greg Dorch? 2066 01:40:45,920 --> 01:40:49,560 That's if only he was as big as Greg Dorch, she'd be a star. 2067 01:40:49,920 --> 01:40:53,520 He's so small. Like he, it's, it's, it would 2068 01:40:53,560 --> 01:40:55,920 literally be like me trying to play in an NFL game. 2069 01:40:55,920 --> 01:40:58,840 Like it's just, it's unbelievable how small he is. 2070 01:40:59,320 --> 01:41:02,640 It's crazy. DJ Shark did just get injured at 2071 01:41:02,640 --> 01:41:05,440 practice, so I hope that you guys are ready for Brendan Rice 2072 01:41:05,440 --> 01:41:08,320 on the Razor next week. I was already pretty in on 2073 01:41:08,320 --> 01:41:11,340 Brendan Rice over the last couple days with, given this pre 2074 01:41:11,340 --> 01:41:13,800 season usage, pretty pretty. Intriguing it does. 2075 01:41:14,120 --> 01:41:19,320 Interesting. Pat, has any player ever run the 2076 01:41:19,320 --> 01:41:22,680 Jover Sprint faster than Quinton Johnston? 2077 01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:25,680 Like can you, you've been, you've been doing NFL for a long 2078 01:41:25,680 --> 01:41:27,720 time. Can you name one guy who is 2079 01:41:27,720 --> 01:41:31,960 speed ran Jover faster? No, but he might be Barack, He 2080 01:41:31,960 --> 01:41:34,400 might be Barack. He's climbing again, He's been 2081 01:41:34,440 --> 01:41:38,200 climbing again. And I know I wanted him really 2082 01:41:38,200 --> 01:41:42,120 bad to be so Barack. Did you see the highlight, the 2083 01:41:42,120 --> 01:41:44,840 preseason highlight of him jumping like 10 yards into the 2084 01:41:44,840 --> 01:41:46,440 air? It wasn't a catch, but do you 2085 01:41:46,440 --> 01:41:49,560 know what I'm talking about? That was that was insane. 2086 01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:51,800 Yeah, no one ever said he couldn't jump. 2087 01:41:52,280 --> 01:41:54,920 We already knew that. His first preseason target was 2088 01:41:54,920 --> 01:41:56,840 an immediate drop. Immediately. 2089 01:41:57,000 --> 01:41:58,320 Like just. I did see that. 2090 01:41:59,800 --> 01:42:02,920 I did see that one. I I realized the issue is that 2091 01:42:02,920 --> 01:42:06,760 he has to be facing the quarterback to catch the ball. 2092 01:42:06,760 --> 01:42:08,640 Like, it's got to be like, you're playing catch in the 2093 01:42:08,640 --> 01:42:11,880 backyard. If he does that, what NFL route 2094 01:42:12,120 --> 01:42:14,960 calls for that? Like, almost none, right? 2095 01:42:16,160 --> 01:42:17,360 There's. A few routes. 2096 01:42:17,360 --> 01:42:19,640 Usually four or five yards. If you're running. 2097 01:42:19,680 --> 01:42:22,320 If you're running hook. Like I guess if you're running 2098 01:42:22,320 --> 01:42:26,000 hooks, what how many? It just feels. 2099 01:42:26,040 --> 01:42:27,760 Sit down and find a soft spot in the zone. 2100 01:42:28,080 --> 01:42:30,200 You watch Travis Kelsey. That's like half his game. 2101 01:42:30,720 --> 01:42:32,240 That's true. He's the next. 2102 01:42:32,240 --> 01:42:34,280 Travis, that is the best that we can hope for for the. 2103 01:42:34,280 --> 01:42:36,920 Screen screen kind. Of I guess he could, he could 2104 01:42:36,920 --> 01:42:39,160 run a lot of screens. He could run a lot of screens or 2105 01:42:39,160 --> 01:42:43,200 just like all 7 yard crossers. In I think you know depending 2106 01:42:45,240 --> 01:42:46,520 some option routes call for that. 2107 01:42:46,720 --> 01:42:49,000 I mean, I'm telling you, dude, his shoulders have to be like 2108 01:42:49,000 --> 01:42:52,120 square to the quarterback. Like it's so bad. 2109 01:42:55,480 --> 01:42:57,560 That's terrible. All right, let's let's move on 2110 01:42:57,560 --> 01:43:00,400 here to the Rogers and Fallers. It's like a. 2111 01:43:00,400 --> 01:43:02,080 Hip flexor, by the way, for shark, so. 2112 01:43:02,160 --> 01:43:04,760 So maybe not to the mean for rice, yeah. 2113 01:43:07,080 --> 01:43:09,640 It could be I'm ready. I'm ready to call it. 2114 01:43:09,680 --> 01:43:11,680 I'm ready. This is like this is I'm, I'm 2115 01:43:11,680 --> 01:43:13,920 the judge in Maricopa County. I'm ready to call it. 2116 01:43:14,040 --> 01:43:16,600 We're, it's, it's I'm I'm ruling in favor of Brendan Rice. 2117 01:43:18,560 --> 01:43:20,280 They're just hiding Quinton Johnston, by the way. 2118 01:43:20,360 --> 01:43:21,840 They're just hiding him for Week 1. 2119 01:43:22,840 --> 01:43:27,080 Harbaugh has never unseen the national semifinal performance. 2120 01:43:27,080 --> 01:43:30,200 Today, that's true. It's if that game never 2121 01:43:30,200 --> 01:43:32,680 happened, I would have not taken Quinton Johnston once the whole 2122 01:43:32,680 --> 01:43:34,240 offseason. But just knowing that that was 2123 01:43:34,240 --> 01:43:37,560 in the back of mine for. The Chargers wouldn't have taken 2124 01:43:37,560 --> 01:43:38,640 him once in the first. Round. 2125 01:43:38,640 --> 01:43:46,120 No, that's also true. Sorry, Sam, I'm stepping on you. 2126 01:43:46,640 --> 01:43:50,040 No, no, you're good. All right, let's let's get to 2127 01:43:50,040 --> 01:43:55,040 Rogers or the the CLV closing line value Rogers game. 2128 01:43:55,080 --> 01:44:00,120 I'll kick it to Pat first to give his pick as the guest. 2129 01:44:00,120 --> 01:44:01,480 I. Was trying to think of like 2130 01:44:01,480 --> 01:44:03,480 who's the dumbest riser I could think of. 2131 01:44:03,880 --> 01:44:06,160 I've got a pretty dumb one. You're not going to be the 2132 01:44:06,280 --> 01:44:08,800 dumbness of mine. No I know and then this group no 2133 01:44:08,880 --> 01:44:11,160 like mine will be by far the least dumb but. 2134 01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:14,680 Thanks man. We. 2135 01:44:15,080 --> 01:44:17,360 Mentioned the minds eye and my minds eye. 2136 01:44:17,920 --> 01:44:21,320 Dylan Laub season is all the way back on because it's never been 2137 01:44:21,320 --> 01:44:24,120 more over. Never been more over for Zamir 2138 01:44:24,120 --> 01:44:26,920 White. It's truly never been more over 2139 01:44:26,920 --> 01:44:28,880 for anyone. That is for Alexander Madison 2140 01:44:29,360 --> 01:44:31,520 and I. I think Dylan Laub is is the 2141 01:44:31,560 --> 01:44:35,240 Zamir White justified slander continues. 2142 01:44:35,400 --> 01:44:37,440 OK, can I can I buzz this real quick? 2143 01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:41,040 Yes, please. First off, the reason why Zamir 2144 01:44:41,040 --> 01:44:43,120 White played in the second-half was because they wanted him to 2145 01:44:43,120 --> 01:44:45,560 play with AOC again. It's still not great. 2146 01:44:45,720 --> 01:44:47,840 No, it's still not great. There's no, it's the classic 2147 01:44:47,840 --> 01:44:51,240 like there's excuses for it, but you don't, you don't need these 2148 01:44:51,240 --> 01:44:53,960 excuses if you're not. But I I actually, I actually 2149 01:44:53,960 --> 01:44:58,080 need to fund FUD, my close personal friend Dylan Lauby, 2150 01:44:58,480 --> 01:45:01,000 which is that First off, he is my friend. 2151 01:45:01,080 --> 01:45:03,480 I've been and, and I'm really rooting for him. 2152 01:45:03,520 --> 01:45:06,120 Like literally I'm at the bar watching this Raiders game and I 2153 01:45:06,120 --> 01:45:08,680 was telling my wife I was like, this is my friend. 2154 01:45:08,680 --> 01:45:10,000 Like he's on the field right now. 2155 01:45:10,000 --> 01:45:13,280 Like I know him. And the first thing he does is 2156 01:45:13,280 --> 01:45:16,920 immediately gets AOC blown up. Like he like whips on a like 2157 01:45:16,920 --> 01:45:18,920 just immediately gets AOC blown up. 2158 01:45:19,120 --> 01:45:21,120 And he did it in the first preseason game too. 2159 01:45:21,280 --> 01:45:24,680 He he, he read the the block the wrong way and went to the 2160 01:45:24,680 --> 01:45:27,160 outside of the tackle instead of inside. 2161 01:45:27,160 --> 01:45:28,600 He learned. His lesson? 2162 01:45:29,080 --> 01:45:30,600 I did. I don't think he did. 2163 01:45:31,000 --> 01:45:31,680 I don't. I don't. 2164 01:45:31,680 --> 01:45:33,680 The reason that people allow me is a riser is just because Pete, 2165 01:45:33,680 --> 01:45:36,560 you didn't need to give people a reason to doubt Zamir White. 2166 01:45:36,640 --> 01:45:38,880 That's true. Now they have the reason and I'm 2167 01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:41,120 not saying it's right. Zamir White was a classic. 2168 01:45:41,120 --> 01:45:43,760 Like give me one reason to doubt Zamir White and I will do it. 2169 01:45:44,200 --> 01:45:47,560 Here's a gal brain take the Raiders, the Raiders running 2170 01:45:47,560 --> 01:45:49,960 back that you want. Semaj P Ryan. 2171 01:45:52,800 --> 01:45:55,120 There we go. That's a good one. 2172 01:45:55,600 --> 01:45:58,000 Well, I picked him as a as a Roger a couple weeks ago. 2173 01:45:58,040 --> 01:46:00,120 I think so. You did. 2174 01:46:00,280 --> 01:46:01,840 You did, and it's going to happen. 2175 01:46:02,160 --> 01:46:06,200 It's going to happen. Roster Cups for next. 2176 01:46:06,240 --> 01:46:07,840 Tuesday. So then, then, then he's going 2177 01:46:07,880 --> 01:46:10,600 right up. Davis, you have a Roger. 2178 01:46:10,920 --> 01:46:13,320 Yeah, it's JK Dobbins. JK Dobbins. 2179 01:46:13,360 --> 01:46:16,960 I predict by the time basketball mania closes, we'll have flipped 2180 01:46:16,960 --> 01:46:18,280 Gus Edwards entirely. Whoa. 2181 01:46:19,480 --> 01:46:20,040 I I. Drives. 2182 01:46:20,080 --> 01:46:21,480 It doesn't already, to be honest. 2183 01:46:21,840 --> 01:46:25,720 It's because it's, it's this ADP anchoring effect where we've all 2184 01:46:25,720 --> 01:46:28,440 been drafting since fucking February and we're just like, 2185 01:46:28,760 --> 01:46:32,080 you know, it's I can't reach on, can't take JK Dobbins in the 2186 01:46:32,080 --> 01:46:34,680 10th round because I took him in the 16th round and the little 2187 01:46:34,680 --> 01:46:38,680 board two returns, you know, But it's pretty clear what the 2188 01:46:38,680 --> 01:46:41,360 Chargers plan is. JK Dobbins is a starting running 2189 01:46:41,360 --> 01:46:42,920 back until one of his legs gives out. 2190 01:46:42,960 --> 01:46:44,920 There's just no ifs, ands or buts about it. 2191 01:46:45,320 --> 01:46:49,080 And it feels like I'm taking crazy pills because I just 2192 01:46:49,080 --> 01:46:52,240 thought the whole time he was, he was just not going to be 2193 01:46:52,240 --> 01:46:53,560 healthy. Like I thought he was on the 2194 01:46:53,560 --> 01:46:55,680 chub pattern where it's like they were just going to be on 2195 01:46:55,680 --> 01:46:57,080 pop and we were never going to see him. 2196 01:46:58,400 --> 01:47:00,000 I don't know how it's not dictating he's. 2197 01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:02,400 Just there he's. Just been there since literally 2198 01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:04,160 day one. He's literally day one. 2199 01:47:04,600 --> 01:47:08,200 He's totally fine, man. Did he actually get hurt? 2200 01:47:08,400 --> 01:47:10,680 I know it is insane. He's just been totally fine. 2201 01:47:11,120 --> 01:47:15,360 Yeah, JK Dobbins is my riser. All right, Cran. 2202 01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:20,800 Have I taken Drake May yet? There's no way to know, 2203 01:47:20,800 --> 01:47:21,840 honestly. Yeah, there is. 2204 01:47:24,040 --> 01:47:27,320 I'll take Drake May if I, if I assuming I haven't taken, I'll 2205 01:47:27,320 --> 01:47:32,800 go ahead and and take Drake May because look, guys, they, they 2206 01:47:33,040 --> 01:47:36,240 Jacoby Brissett has apparently been horrendous all summer. 2207 01:47:36,400 --> 01:47:38,520 They can't, they can't stand it. They can't protect him. 2208 01:47:38,760 --> 01:47:41,600 They can't protect anybody, but it's a little easier to protect 2209 01:47:41,600 --> 01:47:44,160 a mobile quarterback, a guy you can call designed runs for you 2210 01:47:44,160 --> 01:47:45,200 can build that into the, OR a guy who. 2211 01:47:45,440 --> 01:47:47,720 Just at least throws the ball eventually. 2212 01:47:48,240 --> 01:47:50,920 Throws the ball eventually he's well he he's willing to just 2213 01:47:50,920 --> 01:47:56,160 like sling it see what happens that's I think going to be 2214 01:47:56,200 --> 01:47:59,000 appealing enough to get him on the field pretty soon. 2215 01:47:59,000 --> 01:48:02,080 I still think percent starts week one, but This is why I'm 2216 01:48:02,080 --> 01:48:06,960 taking him as the the CLV guy because like, if it's not, if 2217 01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:11,480 percent loses this job, which is possible, then Drake May is 2218 01:48:11,480 --> 01:48:12,920 going to be a big old, big old riser. 2219 01:48:12,920 --> 01:48:15,520 Week one started Drake may. I mean, we're, we're talking 2220 01:48:15,520 --> 01:48:19,680 about him, you know, going jumping like 6-7 rounds in, in 2221 01:48:19,680 --> 01:48:22,120 price. How is Greg Dort still on the 2222 01:48:22,120 --> 01:48:24,200 wide receiver 79? By the way, I. 2223 01:48:24,280 --> 01:48:26,680 Mean he should be like the wide receiver 47. 2224 01:48:26,680 --> 01:48:29,040 But I'm just shocked that he's not, to be honest. 2225 01:48:29,040 --> 01:48:31,960 I'm the way he hasn't already been totally sicko pilled and 2226 01:48:31,960 --> 01:48:33,880 like the like the wide receiver 58. 2227 01:48:33,880 --> 01:48:37,520 At least I should have said Greg Dortch, because there's going to 2228 01:48:37,520 --> 01:48:39,400 be more Greg Dorch gifts where that came from. 2229 01:48:39,440 --> 01:48:42,320 You better believe it, brother. The chats, man that I picked man 2230 01:48:42,320 --> 01:48:44,280 because I've talked about him. But guess what? 2231 01:48:45,160 --> 01:48:47,040 He's having a good, he's having a good preseason. 2232 01:48:47,040 --> 01:48:49,760 I'm taking him. I'm taking him in the 15th round 2233 01:48:49,760 --> 01:48:52,240 now just for like the optionality. 2234 01:48:52,240 --> 01:48:54,640 What? Do you mean the optionality? 2235 01:48:55,120 --> 01:48:58,720 So like if you take so you just. Don't get sniped. 2236 01:48:58,720 --> 01:49:00,040 You can decide. Well, you can decide. 2237 01:49:00,040 --> 01:49:01,560 Do I want Gibson, Do I want Henry? 2238 01:49:01,560 --> 01:49:03,400 Do I want Jake Osbourne and Bourne? 2239 01:49:03,520 --> 01:49:05,760 Do I want to take Baker and Bourne like you just you just 2240 01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:07,760 have more because I'm in all these slow drafts right now. 2241 01:49:08,120 --> 01:49:11,560 So I, I just like having and I'm like, well, what if I don't get 2242 01:49:11,560 --> 01:49:12,680 him? That seems bad. 2243 01:49:12,680 --> 01:49:18,120 So I just want to get him. If I already told you they give 2244 01:49:18,120 --> 01:49:20,800 me the better of the 280P prices, that's that's what I'm 2245 01:49:20,800 --> 01:49:22,160 asking. You're just, you're going to 2246 01:49:22,160 --> 01:49:23,560 have to take both. I'm sorry. 2247 01:49:23,560 --> 01:49:29,320 All right, I'll take this is one I don't really want to happen, 2248 01:49:29,320 --> 01:49:34,480 but I think probably will Khalil Shakur, Curtis Samuels week to 2249 01:49:34,480 --> 01:49:37,040 week with this toe, with this toe injury. 2250 01:49:37,240 --> 01:49:40,720 And yeah, MBS is out for several weeks. 2251 01:49:40,720 --> 01:49:45,040 I think that the Keon Coleman preseason film takes have not 2252 01:49:45,080 --> 01:49:47,800 been very kind. So basically, like all these 2253 01:49:47,800 --> 01:49:50,800 other wide receivers are losing in Buffalo, and I think Shakur 2254 01:49:50,800 --> 01:49:53,760 is going to be the guy that people feel comfortable with. 2255 01:49:53,800 --> 01:49:56,560 The Josh Allen drafter is probably going to reach a round 2256 01:49:56,560 --> 01:49:59,640 or two on him in the next couple weeks to make sure they get him. 2257 01:49:59,640 --> 01:50:02,360 So yeah, I haven't taken a lot of Shakur, but I think he just 2258 01:50:02,360 --> 01:50:06,520 rises with this news. That's way too sensible. 2259 01:50:06,720 --> 01:50:09,000 Yeah, that was really good. Yeah, I almost said. 2260 01:50:09,360 --> 01:50:14,760 I'm a bummer actually. But I realized that would have 2261 01:50:14,760 --> 01:50:18,080 been way worse. Yeah. 2262 01:50:18,080 --> 01:50:21,360 All right. Well, thanks, Pat, for joining 2263 01:50:21,360 --> 01:50:23,240 us. Why don't you tell the people 2264 01:50:23,240 --> 01:50:25,320 about what's going on at Rotoworlds? 2265 01:50:27,320 --> 01:50:28,320 Drafts. So plenty. 2266 01:50:28,400 --> 01:50:30,520 We've been doing lots of mock drafts. 2267 01:50:30,520 --> 01:50:34,800 Getting ready for our Draft Day marathon on Thursday, August 2268 01:50:34,840 --> 01:50:38,640 21st. I have an article up on Fateful 2269 01:50:38,720 --> 01:50:42,040 AD PS that I hate the name of the article putting out this 2270 01:50:42,040 --> 01:50:43,880 week. Hopefully an article, right. 2271 01:50:43,880 --> 01:50:46,560 I'm just trying to rank the offensive environments. 2272 01:50:46,600 --> 01:50:48,040 I did the same thing last summer. 2273 01:50:48,560 --> 01:50:50,120 I'm ranking the offensive environments. 2274 01:50:50,120 --> 01:50:51,760 It's kind of like for tie breaking purposes. 2275 01:50:51,760 --> 01:50:54,520 You know, this is of course, this isn't for people who have 2276 01:50:54,520 --> 01:50:58,440 been drafting for nine months. If people logging back on like, 2277 01:50:58,440 --> 01:51:00,440 listen, you're on the clock. You need a tiebreaker. 2278 01:51:00,840 --> 01:51:03,200 I'm ranking the offensive environments does include a dark 2279 01:51:03,200 --> 01:51:06,120 horse for each team. Really, really praying that 2280 01:51:06,120 --> 01:51:09,360 comes out this week. I need to finish it very badly. 2281 01:51:09,880 --> 01:51:12,040 And then of course, the Rotoro football show, where we are, 2282 01:51:12,800 --> 01:51:15,640 we're recording all the time. Many special guest Andy Barons 2283 01:51:15,640 --> 01:51:20,600 this Thursday from from Yahoo. Awesome Crane. 2284 01:51:20,600 --> 01:51:21,160 Hopefully. Hopefully. 2285 01:51:21,240 --> 01:51:24,120 Back Crane. Oh yeah. 2286 01:51:25,480 --> 01:51:30,680 Yeah, always legendary upside. We've got a bunch of content 2287 01:51:30,840 --> 01:51:34,080 that came out last week we've got and the week before that. 2288 01:51:35,040 --> 01:51:37,520 I'm working on a rookie wide receivers piece that'll be out 2289 01:51:37,520 --> 01:51:38,840 this week. I'm working on my legendary 2290 01:51:38,840 --> 01:51:42,440 running back scenarios which will be out soon as well. 2291 01:51:43,320 --> 01:51:47,960 Sidekick if you're looking for dynamic rankings to help you in 2292 01:51:47,960 --> 01:51:51,960 your final drafts, especially if you're trying to like multi 2293 01:51:51,960 --> 01:51:54,800 enter in. Whether it's slow drafts or you 2294 01:51:54,800 --> 01:51:57,040 know, fast drafts in the puppy. Very helpful. 2295 01:51:57,760 --> 01:52:02,640 legendaryupside.com/sidekick and Dynasty rankings updated every 2296 01:52:02,640 --> 01:52:03,920 week. Basketball rankings updated 2297 01:52:03,920 --> 01:52:04,800 every day. Check it out. 2298 01:52:06,240 --> 01:52:08,080 Awesome. Davis, I saw you came out with 2299 01:52:08,080 --> 01:52:10,000 some ranks today. Is that right? 2300 01:52:10,120 --> 01:52:12,560 Or at least? Yeah, I did my redraft here. 2301 01:52:12,560 --> 01:52:15,480 So everyone who's doing their home leagues and their high 2302 01:52:15,480 --> 01:52:18,240 stakes stuff, I just was like, no more of this. 2303 01:52:18,680 --> 01:52:21,880 We know these boomer sites don't let you upload your CSV, so I 2304 01:52:21,880 --> 01:52:25,920 just did the full these are where to take guys and avoid the 2305 01:52:25,920 --> 01:52:28,600 bad picks thing. And then I'm going to try and 2306 01:52:28,600 --> 01:52:31,760 stream every day until the season starts. 2307 01:52:31,760 --> 01:52:34,440 I did a big dog this morning with Herzig where Herzig just 2308 01:52:34,440 --> 01:52:36,720 happened to be in the draft. So I was like, you just want to 2309 01:52:36,720 --> 01:52:38,440 hop in and we can draft against each other. 2310 01:52:38,760 --> 01:52:40,280 And I got sniped on savior worthy. 2311 01:52:41,160 --> 01:52:47,800 Pretty felt like getting shot, so I got that going on. 2312 01:52:47,800 --> 01:52:48,960 Do we? Get the clip. 2313 01:52:49,280 --> 01:52:51,040 Do we have the clip of the mini men? 2314 01:52:51,080 --> 01:52:54,040 I think we did get that. One we need to get that we need 2315 01:52:54,040 --> 01:52:59,160 to tell Zach to get the mini men yeah clip going and then I'm 2316 01:52:59,160 --> 01:53:02,640 streaming tomorrow 12 to four actually Sam or Pat if either of 2317 01:53:02,640 --> 01:53:06,240 you guys want an hour cheers. I got Draft cheat and Daigle 2318 01:53:06,240 --> 01:53:07,960 coming on. I got two more hours to fill. 2319 01:53:07,960 --> 01:53:11,160 After that, I would love to, but I am streaming essentially all 2320 01:53:11,160 --> 01:53:14,600 day for the as we continue to bank content for the Rotor World 2321 01:53:14,600 --> 01:53:16,280 Draft Day Marathon on Thursday, August 20. 2322 01:53:16,360 --> 01:53:21,240 First got to bank the content. Banking so so so much content. 2323 01:53:21,960 --> 01:53:24,920 So much content. Well, everyone finds all that 2324 01:53:24,920 --> 01:53:28,160 great content from Crane, Pat and Davis. 2325 01:53:28,880 --> 01:53:32,280 I will be back next week here on ADP Chasing. 2326 01:53:32,880 --> 01:53:36,240 I don't think we have a guest next week, but it might just be 2327 01:53:36,720 --> 01:53:40,280 the three of us. But anyways, thanks to everyone 2328 01:53:40,280 --> 01:53:42,640 for joining us in the chat. Thanks to Pat. 2329 01:53:42,840 --> 01:53:43,800 We'll see you guys next week.