Hello everyone, and welcome to a special August 19th edition of
ADP Chasing. We've got tons of preseason news
to discuss. Kayla Williams, is he
generational? Keenan Allen, is he from the
Silent Generation Chief squad? Receivers just moving
chaotically throughout the AD PS Sam Darnold's a starter now.
Tons of stuff to break down. We have a special guest, Roto
Pat Pat Doherty of Roto Roll Football to help us break it all
down. Let's do it.
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today. I'm I'm really happy I didn't
butcher your name and the cold open or maybe I did.
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think about it. Just say it.
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correctly. Oh yeah, that's good.
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folks. OO Doggerty.
At some point the O gets dropped.
The A and the O after the D gets swapped.
Just kind of depends on the generation.
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Friends in it. Yeah, so there you go.
One of my best friends is named Patrick Doherty and the the
Irish they have We have a limited pool of names.
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one about. Nine different ways to spell
Sean. And then there's Patrick, and
then a lot of different ways to stylize Doherty or or or
Doggerty. Although the Irish name's a big
takeover, Liam Finn, these are like the most popular names in
the country right now. Finn is having a moment.
Liam's been having a several decades long moment.
Yeah, yeah. And I want.
To Finnegan was like my number one kids name for a long time
because of Finnegan's wake, but now it's like a it's like too
much. Yeah.
It's like no one would get the reference.
They'd be like, oh, you just named your kid an Instagram
name, who needs that? Not name name.
It's a sadly real concept. Instagram name?
Yeah. Yeah.
So yeah, we'll, we'll get right into it today.
Lots of stuff to discuss. We had, I noticed, you know,
Pete, he has a team that puts the thumbnails together.
He put the bears on the thumbnail here.
And then I realized we had no bears in the ADP drivers and
followers segments, so had to artificially kind of shoehorn
them in. But I wanted to have the Keenan
Allen conversation first. Well, he'll, he'll be on the
Fallers next week. I, I just took him.
I just took him at 75 in a slow draft.
And you know, I mean, virtual world obviously crushing the
news, but this is the most I've ever seen you guys blur about
diabetes. Way way way way too soon.
Way way. Way.
Too soon is it? Mid 30s is when it happens dude.
That's a good point you. Know Alan, It's Pat.
It's a long tradition. You and I are very familiar with
this, of men moving from the coast to the Midwest and
immediately gaining 15 lbs. Immediately gaining. 50 and not.
This pizza man, it sticks to you.
Not built for this. And yeah, I mean, it's not just
what you do eat, it's what you don't eat.
The idea of vegetables, you know, a bit of a, you know, like
that's like that's a coastal thing.
Fruit, another coastal thing, you know, non ultra ultra
processed foods, a coastal thing.
So yeah, we, we eat as you're supposed as Americans are
supposed to eat. It's how we eat here in the
Midwest and the Great Lakes region.
I did talk about that in the pod.
Keenan Allen moved to Chicago once.
Yeah, well, by the way too, like LA to Chicago would be about as
big of a kind of a weight gain move as you would expect, so.
I I just spent the weekend in Chicago and I can confirm.
I mean I left like 4 lbs heavier 11 weekend like one weekend.
It. Takes it.
It gets you, yeah. Yeah, so it does.
It does seem realistic, moving from LA to Chicago to gain some
weight. The The funny thing about this,
this how this all started. It basically just started with
Albert Brier just kind of like having a throwaway comment in
one of his articles saying that yeah, Keenan Allen's 230 lbs
From being in the the ETR slack and now that.
I don't know, did he just was that vibes?
Like no. So that's.
That's what we thought. But I I know Evan, Evan Silva
followed up with Brier about this.
And I think what he said is that it was pitched to him by the
team that this was a good thing, that Keenan Allen was big, that
that like no other context in that.
But yeah, I mean, he's training for the Will Disley role in
Shane Waldron's offenses. But many of you are speculating.
Sam, this is the perfect hyper niche best ball story for you
because it's just hating it's. It's so good.
Unsure if it's based on anything factual.
Right, I got AI got a let me, I'll bring the, the, the few
data points I have to this conversation, then we can kick
it to our guest. 32 out of 32 teams in 11 personnel usage in
the preseason. The Chicago Bears less than 40%
of their total snaps have been in 11 personnel.
That's insane. That is so much 12 who's?
Playing in 12? Who's playing in 12?
It's Keenan Keenans in 12. That's the Galaxy brain, The
Keenan I'm. Just telling you who has played
in 12. No, let me, let me, let me
extend this further. So let me let me bury Keenan
Allen, who we famously just took in a main event about 72 hours.
What if Keenan Allen actually stinks because they built the
whole Chargers offense around him last year and the and the
offense was terrible and got everyone fired.
And actually the guy who just got picked 9th overall and is
like a semi, not a generational prize three years wide receiver
prospect, I think Roma Dunze. Yeah, he's What if it's actually
What if it's Keenan who plays the JSN role and just gets
buried? Generational prospects usually
go wide receiver 3IN their own class, say.
Keenan, or excuse me, Rome is a generational third receiver.
He's a, he's a generational. 3rd, he's a generational Third,
he's a generational. 3rd. That's true, yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
So yeah, yeah. Let me let me bury Roma Doomsay,
who I, you know, have drafted repeatedly all summer and in
several main events. Imagine Shane Waldron taking a
first round wide receiver and pitching, holing him into some
stupid 11 personnel role and getting the least that he could
possibly can out of them while he plays the veterans on the
outside. That sounds unrealistic that
that hasn't. Happened that.
That's never happened. Keenan Allen, by the way, LED
all wide receivers in open score last year.
So I think in he he needs to have gotten fat because he was
really good last year. You know, I, I don't buy the
like he was a product of the offense, not having any other
weapons and they had to feed him and he's and he's done.
Like he might be done now because he's just been crushing
that deep dish. But like, I don't think he was
washed heading into heading into this move.
Maybe he crossed the injury of Rubicon when he was hurt at the
end of last year, and that was just the one that did him in.
And when I started seeing the weight reports and, you know,
like the usage reports and all that, it did.
So players are frequently in the NFL traded for far less than
they're worth. But like last March was like, oh
man, I might have given up more than 1/4 rounder for Keenan.
They tried to they they floated cutting him after the 2022
season, though. There was rumors Chiefs Chiefs
fans were convinced Keenan Allen was going to be a Chief last
offseason. Yeah, and then he was really
good, like he was efficient and you know, again, he was great at
getting open. So like, I don't know what was
going on between him and the Chargers, but it just seems like
that they were like ready to move on before a really good
season. So I'm not sure that him them
moving on after that season indicates, you know, anything.
It's not just the moving on, it's the fact the whole league
new is available and you get 1/4 rounder again.
Players are almost never trained to what they're actually but
fourth round pick yeah that fourth round picks like monopoly
money. Just give them two fourth round
picks like. We saw this with Amari though,
right? Wouldn't.
Didn't Amari get like a sixth or something stupid sometimes?
I think that was a So I think that he.
Was on a he was on a last year. It was a very affordable deal
when he it was one of the worst things I've ever seen handful
do. So the Cowboys.
It was also the Cowboys. Yeah, that's true.
But the rest, why weren't they pouncing on that like they
should have? It was a team friendly deal.
I think it was a one year deal that Amari was on anyway.
The thing that's a little bit more damning with the Amari
situation is in this era of of the rapidly expanding NFL cap,
like you could say, OK, no one gave up more than 1/4 rounder
for him, but you had to pay him twenty.
I think it's like 2122 million this year.
It's a lot of real dollars. It is a lot of real dollars.
It is a lot of real dollars, but there are looking at over the
cap right now. Like most NFL teams have over 20
million in cap space this year. It's like a really weird thing
where like teams weren't able to spend their cap because the cap
rose so rapidly. And I know teams, we can roll it
over to the next year. So it's not like that money like
dies and goes away. But there are tons of teams out
there that had room to pay Keenan Allen $20 million and
could have sent a third fourth round pick and chose not to.
So I do think it is a fairpoint to bring up, like otherwise
receivers this offseason in somewhat similar situations were
traded for a lot more like Stefon Diggs.
You know, even even though Keenan Allen's counting stats,
it's undeniable. Last year he was on pace for I
think like 1600 yards and 150 catches.
Like, not even exaggerating. He was on pace for something
absurd like that. But I think the NFL evaluators
were not really fully buying. Well, he's old.
He's old. I I think he that clearly.
Seven Dogs 7 digs is also old, right?
Not as old. It's just to me a fourth round
pick. Like a couple years younger than
Keenan. It's like in the charade 4th
round, a fourth round pick doesn't matter like at all like
they're going to be get cut within two years anyway.
I just like, I just felt like he could have fetched a little more
and it was a. Bit suspicious?
What's more likely? Keenan Allen age 32 like smashes
1100 yards 8 touchdowns with truly generational quarterback
prospect Caleb Williams or he slows down approaches the target
slash injury slash age Cliff and generate.
So forget why the fever prospects.
The target Cliff in there. Generation.
Generational third wide receiver prospect Roman Dunce kind of
starts out the year slow but by week eight is running 83% of the
routes and it's just completely dusting Keenan Allen to me.
I think the second thing is far more likely.
Other opinions are available but I now in full roam over Keen and
Slappy and I'm fine with that. So you mentioned the counting
stats, but that I mean, that's true, but like he had 2.36 yards
per hour on last year. That was that's elite.
That's truly elite. So elite efficiency, elite
production. And he was number one in open
score. So like, I don't think anyone
who like evaluated and said like, oh, this guy doesn't have
it anymore. It was wrong.
He he definitely. Did yeah, but that that was a
terrible Chargers off offense though, right?
Like I think you have to factor in like how?
Good, then shouldn't we be even more impressed by his efficiency
if it was a terrible Chargers offense?
No, I think that the point is that the the Chargers built the
entire ship out of Keenan Allen last year because they had to
Mike Williams, Taurus, ACL Palmer was banged up, Ecklers
banged up, and it just wasn't a good off.
Like, no, no, I I just thought like, I don't think it's a
successful way to build an offense to do what the Chargers
did last year to Keenan Allen. And he's in a completely
different environment this year. Like, I just don't think those
yeah, yeah, yeah. That much weight.
I mean, they hold to me. They hold a lot of weight.
If the question is, is Keenan still good?
It's not enough to say. Therefore, I mean, he was, he
was wide receiver, 11 in yards per outrun.
Like, yeah, so the like, if you just took the stats at face
value, you'd be like, oh, is the wide receiver won on the Bears?
He's not he's he's not actually DJ Moore had better yards for
everyone. So even by these metrics you'd
say, you know, but that's not what I'm saying.
What I'm saying is like in the fifth round, you know, I'm, I'm
still interested in him as a bet on this offense, you know, being
pretty productive, him being like a key part of this offense
that's really difficult to defend.
And one thing I, I think that might be OK for Keenan and Rome
and DJ Moore is that this Gerald Everett stuff like I, I don't
know that the Cole Comet is really going to be a big
concern. They seem to be rotating the
tight ends. I think it's probably a boost
for the wide receivers if we get more Everett on the field and
Comet, because I think Comet's probably better than ever.
But they've been playing Everett a lot in the preseason.
So maybe it's a little bit more condensed to the three wide
receivers then we were thinking it might be.
Two things there. Gerald Everett first drop
touchdown a week to the snaps, go back to like 82 to 18 for
Cole Comet. Gerald Everett not going to be a
thing. And yeah, just listen, the heel
injury for Keenan last year was the injury Rubicon.
They think he can't beat nickel corners over the middle of the
field now. So now they want him to post
them up and that's why he's been packing on the weight.
He's going to post every slot, every slot corner and then
Keenan always finds a way and he will find.
A way after he posts up does he like toss the ball back?
Is this? That's a real good question.
I don't. Know like whatever.
So we're we're basically doing. Down.
We're doing the Kelvin Benjamin thesis.
For except for as an over the middle of the field nickel
receiver. The the, the reality of the
situation is, is I was looking for anything to make me do this
lease like it's I, I was looking for any reason to move Keenan
down and I've been giving it via Ted Nguyen and Brett Brett
Coleman, the the big underdog film streamer.
Them being like, this dude stinks.
And I'm like, all right, I don't know, but hopefully because I
this is what I wanted to do anyway.
JT O'Sullivan the I think the QB school guy was also pointed out.
But yeah, I don't know. At the end of the day, I I think
like, this is a kind of funny storyline.
I don't think Keenan Allen's dead by any means.
Crane. Crane brings up good points of
how good he was last year. It's just a question of if he's
at the Cliff or not yet. I.
Mean honestly, there's a question of if he's actually
fat. We need to know if he's.
Also though listen, even as a 32 year old in the NFL you could
lose 20 lbs in like 10 days. Like he probably has already
lost a lot of weight. During the training camp.
I don't know about those numbers.
Listen 20 lbs in 10 days. He yeah, that's yeah, I
overstated it there. But he could lose 20.
Like didn't Legarrett, blunt or not, you not Legarrett.
Excuse me, Leonard Fournette used to lose like he gained. 20
lbs in 10 days. Yeah, he would.
He would do that and then he would lose it again.
Like, I don't know, you just like you like run around in like
a trash bag like twice and you lose like 10.
So I think that works. I think that works when you're
28, not so much when you're 32. He's still, I mean, 32.
I mean, it's not like I don't, I don't think he's crossed the,
the weight, the weight Rubicon quite yet at age 32.
All right, should I say to close this out?
Davis has made his stance clear, but I want both paths on the
record. If you're in some theoretical
fantasy universe, you can only make one pick a wide receiver
between Keenan Allen and Roma Dunze Crane.
Who are you taking right now? I'd probably take Rome if if
there's no there's no ADP, if there's no portfolios that I'm
building out, I'm just getting 1 crack at one of these guys.
I'm going to take the the exciting rookie, but I do
generational third wide receiver in his class.
I do take Keenan though. I take him in the 5th.
I often take Keenan and Row, yeah, so yeah.
But I you got me, I'd probably take wrong all.
Right, wrote a Pat. I'm taking Keenan Caleb Williams
or excuse me, I'm taking Rome. Keenan Williams.
I can't speak Caleb Williams is not thing out of quarterback
kudos like needs the security blanket like Justin Herbert like
what do I do? I can only target Keenan Allen
13 * a game like that is not Caleb Williams.
And I I do worry about like Roma Dunsay getting JSN, not just
because it's Shane Waldron, but like, listen, I know that you're
a first round receiver prospect, but like DJ Moore and Keenan
Allen are two of the most established receivers in the
league. But there's a huge difference
between being the number nine overall pick and like the number
22 overall pick that JSN was. So I'm just, and two, as a guy
who tends to bet on upside over floor, I'm going with Rome over
Keenan probably. It was honestly even before the
injury. Yeah, that makes 4 for four of
us there. Let's move on to.
Daniel Daniel Ceno before we move on, has the comment here.
Let let Keenan eat cake. By the injury, when I said
Keenan Allen injury, I of course I meant just.
Met him eating. Food getting lower, yes.
We're talking about it like an injury.
It's not not a great sign. Just got big Keenan.
Can we, can we get that in a? Wrote a world board Keenan Allen
Large. Orange Keenan Allen quote very
large I just. I just still can't get over
Albert Brewer saying that it was pitched by the team, that it was
a good thing Keenan Allen was £230 that that one, that one
still gets me. I.
Don't know I also have a bone to pick with Breer, who just like
absolutely defended the Drake may not playing any preseason
snaps in the first week like it was.
Yeah, and it was like so smart by the team to do this and then
shout out Tom Curran, who was just like, this is asinine,
great. Just completely.
He was apoplectic about the usage week.
Wanted sure enough, we get the usage week too.
And all of a sudden, yeah, probably not a very smart idea
not to play your your rookie. So anyway, I just I just wanted
to shout that out. Shout out to Tom Curran.
He was I. He was appropriately angry by
that. Well, yeah, Crane had to get the
Drake May talk and at some point in the podcast there might be
more risers followers. So Congrats, Grain.
Let's talk here about Chiefs wide receivers.
I think this has been, yeah. We've never covered this topic.
Before yeah, the number one topic for us all offseason has
been Rashi Rice. We got all three Chiefs Big
Three wide receivers popping up here on the list of risers and
followers. Where we pick, I think we've all
picked rice as a riser. Do we have that of of what I
think? I think only I have.
And really, I'm pretty sure I picked him.
OK, well I haven't been tracking it at all, but I'll I was.
Just gonna track it, but I will eventually you track.
Something. Yeah, no, I do that.
I do that the last week before the show.
I I have the worst process ever for tracking it.
Like go rewatch all of our episodes 1 by 1.
And yeah, no, I might forget a couple of my bad takes when I go
back and love this, but my memory is that I took him and
then a week later the second incident happened and I was
like, oh, I'm such an idiot because he fell from like 60 to
80. I think I got him at the cheaper
price. Yeah, maybe.
We'll we'll look into it anyways.
He's up seven spots. His teammate Xavier Worthy, also
up half around. They're both, I guess when she.
Rice is now in the fourth. Xavier Worthy is now at the end
of the fifth. Hollywood Brown, on the other
side of things, is down 15 spots.
To pick 71, I wanted to start with the Hollywood Brown side of
things and then we'll get into the risers here.
I just wanted to make this like very rough injury timeline for
people to visualize. He got injured on August 10th in
that preseason game. The injury timeline was he's
expected to miss four to six weeks.
It doesn't seem like something that's going to overly affect
him once he returns. It's not like a lower body, high
ankle sprain type injury that's going to linger.
That four to six week timeline would be an early return sort of
after week one, after that Thursday night game or a late
return being like right before week 3.
So let's say like anywhere from two to three weeks of miss time
probably is like the median scenario.
He's fallen, I don't know, 20 spots or so in the past 10 days
because of that. Start with, you wrote it on the
Hollywood Brown side of things. Do you think that's an
appropriate reaction to his injury or sort of how do you see
him shaking out in this Chief squad receiver room this year?
Well. I'm with Hollywood the way Davis
was a Keenan Allen. Like, just give me a reason.
I didn't just wanted any reason, any cover whatsoever to not
draft Marquis Brown. Who?
The way I look at the way I would casually say it on my own
podcast, Yeah, he's never even been good.
Like who cares? Like it's never been good.
He's always hurt. He has been hurt a lot the past
two years. For a guy who was a first round
pick who's a generally really good quarterback play, not as
much. The past two years said only
1000 yard season, then only just the efficiency has declined.
I just don't think that he's that good.
Like he's not bad. He should be in the NFL still.
He's a guy. He's just disappointed me like 4
too many times. Maybe one more time though.
Yeah, it's true. Maybe one more time.
Maybe. One more time.
I was always more excited about Rashi Rice, always more excited
about Xavier Worthy. With Rashi, I kind of always
thought like the Alvin Kamara situation was the best analog
where he got arrested for assault in like February 2022.
The suspension didn't come till 23.
That always the NFL just makes it up as it goes along with the
off the field stuff. That is always a risk, but my
best guess was always no suspension for Rashi.
This year, that's looking more and more likely.
I wanted to be unworthy and Rashi Rice and I just needed any
reason whatsoever to be all the way out on Marquis Brown and I
would say I have it now. That makes sense.
Crane. Any any thoughts on the the
Hollywood Brown fall because of this injury?
Is he good? Yeah.
Or is he good? I don't think he's good.
I mean he he once was OK. You know he had two solid
seasons to begin his career with the Ravens.
They get rid of them after a down season of 2021.
He never has above 1.5 yards per outrun and in either season 1.4,
four, 1.25 and two. Seasons with Lamar especially,
like, that's tough. That's real tough.
Well, he had, he had 1.831.85 to start his career, but those are
like those are promising seasons that could lead to, you know,
maybe we get a, a true breakout. We never did.
In fact, he declines from there. That's that's the peak of his
career. I was out on him all summer.
The concern and you know, like, and Daniel Razz was trying to
talk some sense of me a little bit like we, we might want to
have some exposure to this guy. The the case was really like the
juju accumulation bet where like there's he's the veteran, he
comes in, he gets enough volume, he has a few spike weeks and
he's able to kind of pay it off just because he's on Patrick
Mahomes offense. But like this injury really kind
of makes that outcome more thin because Worthy's getting on the
field right away. Like they're not messing around,
you know, and now and now Rice doesn't look like he's getting
suspended, so. Here's here's the thing though,
if I if I may interject, that was always going to happen.
Worthy Rice. It was always a terrible pick.
No, that's the wrong rate of the situation because that's not
accounting for 50 touchdowns in the Chiefs passing offense.
I, this has been my, I mean, people like we literally don't
need to spend any time on it. People have my, my operational
philosophy is that the Chiefs are scoring 50 passing
touchdowns this year. Even the third wide receiver on
the Chiefs can earn wide receiver 30 value.
If that happens, depending on really it's dependent on on just
how much Kelsey dominates the offense.
I was actually tailing off on Brown before the injury.
I moved him a little bit down on my rankings and moved Worthy up
a little bit. But now that you're sitting on
the clock and it's like, I mean, sometimes worthy falls like to
the to the the Sutton Hopkins, like death Nexus.
And if that's where I'm saying it's like, sure, what I I will
just. Well, sure.
Yeah, I'll take that. That's.
I mean, that's the point. I wanted to.
I'll take him. There, Yeah.
Yeah, the Death Nexus. Sure, he he's a better pick now
than he was then, correct? Because you can now you can
actually get him like behind all these wide receivers who our our
far more interesting talent based bets.
And you're getting him as more of a bet on the situation.
You know, like if him versus Sutton, like Sutton, I don't
think Sutton's that great, but he's going to get targets
because there's no one else to throw to.
Brown is sort of AI mean. It's not the same exact thing.
He's going to have less targets, but maybe more touchdowns, maybe
some big plays, some big weeks. But you're betting on the
situation. So if I can bet on him it I'm
betting on the situation prices. I'm way more interested and like
I don't really care if he's going to miss.
Like I'd rather him miss 2 weeks and I get him in the 70s or 80s
as opposed to a full season and I have to take him to like 55.
I was just out at that price. Yeah, that makes sense.
And I do think, yeah, the point I wanted to bring up is that it
feels like a little Week 1 brainy to me to have this
massive a fall for Hollywood Brown.
Like Crane, you were out on him to begin with.
So I totally get you being out at 55, You know, the people that
were in on him at 56, I'm surprised they're letting him
fall this far because I think once we get to week seven or
eight this season, people aren't really going to remember the one
or two weeks that Marquis Brown missed to start the year.
I'm not not completely downplaying that.
Like, obviously it'd be great for him to be healthy, get reps
of Patrick Mahomes, like maybe stop the early momentum of
Xavier Worthy to some extent. But yeah, I just don't think
it's that big of a factor. Like you can easily replace a
guy who misses one 2-3 weeks at the start of the season.
There's no bye weeks so. You want to hear a real bullish
thing for Hollywood Brown. His replacement in the starting
lineup is Justin Watson, so my suggestion would be he will lose
approximately 0 routes upon returning to the lineup.
It's not going to be a rotating in situation.
I mean that could be wrong. But what if they just love
Justin Watson too? Much.
Well, they do. They don't get me wrong, they do
love Justin Watson, but they love him in the way that the
Packers love Beau Melton. Like where?
Where It's not. It's not going to be enough for
you to really. We're not going to be spending
any fab dollars on Justin Watson, I don't think.
Remember when we might because remember when he got 11 targets
and we all picked him up? Remember when he got 11 targets,
everyone played him in DFS the next week and he scored one
seven yard touchdown on one target.
That was that was pretty. That was a pretty good.
Moment I just went Davis while you were talking.
I wanted to have a potentially hilarious trump card.
I was like, you know, man, I know this probably isn't the
case, but what if, like, the data was wonky, like the sample
sizes and Justin Watson somehow had more yards per outrun than
Hollywood Brown? He did not.
I bet I bet he had like a .88 yards per outrun.
He was lucky to be over one. He was at 1.19, which is a leap
for Justin Watson. That is a leap for Justin
Watson. It's generational line from
Justin Watson. Poor Justin Watson White.
PRR. Yeah, and he's still just
easily, easily better. Than you guys want to hear the
most just want to hear the most brain dead bag defending take
you've ever heard. I would love to always.
The the play that Marquis Brown got injured on, the reason why
he was targeted was that it was a play call to try and get
Xavier Worthy and ADR touchdown on their first play from
scrimmage. But Mahomes, you know, went to
his second read because the safety shaded over.
So Hollywood Brown as the possession guy.
You want to talk about building in a floor if Worthy is the
burner and Hollywood is the guy who's running the 1015 yard
stuff. I'm just saying if you want to
read into one play and be an idiot like I.
That's a weird thing about Worthy is like, I do feel like
he has a bit of like a prospect identity crisis and I'm still
not entirely sure. Yeah, it's a bit of a what would
you say you do here situation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's just like
he's so fast, but he does not really how he played in college
and. He's so tiny.
I don't know if I want like super tiny outside possession
receiver. That seems like not ideal.
Yeah, super tiny wide receivers. Never been.
Good on the just just. Zoom out on the chart.
Just yeah, further out, you guys are two in the weeds.
You are two in the weeds out on the chart.
Mahomes threw a behind the back pass in a preseason game.
Dude, they are out to get points.
That's all they just want they're.
Just are you financially ruined if it's 38 passing touchdowns
instead of 50? No, I'd be OK.
I'd be OK. Davis, what's the optimal way to
stack the Chiefs now? Are you doing, are you doing the
Kelsey Mahomes or? Are you doing the rice?
What is it? This just happened to meet a big
dog this morning. I took Mahomes at 49 so so two
before the 4-5 turn and the 4-5 turn drafter just snapped
worthy. Just like no like 28 seconds on
the clock were the immediate click.
And rice already gone before you took Mahomes.
Oh yeah, he was a third round pick.
Yeah, yeah. So I I think the optimal way to
do it is is 3/4 turn Kelsey Mahomes, Hollywood Brown at the
at the 5-6. See, that's the tough part about
that is I don't like taking Hollywood now that he's hurt in
the early 6th, I'm not getting my discount.
I, I think if, if Brown were to fall a little bit more to the
late 7th and we could do Kelsey Mahomes Brown, that would be, I
would be pretty into that. Yeah, I mean you can do that on.
6th arm receiver edit as well. He can do that on DraftKings
every time because he's got that that Q tag on DraftKings.
So Hollywood grounds just plummeting to I think he's like
mid 80s now. So can get your exposure over
there. I'm in, I'm in the mid 80s.
Yeah, last thing I wanted to know, this route participation
stuff, this is from Dwayne McFarlane over at Fantasy Life.
I think he gets the data from PFF, but Rasheed Rice and Xavier
Worthy, both around 90% of the routes with the starters in
preseason week two. I don't think we're going to
have any of the bullshit rotation we had last year to
start the year. Maybe, maybe Justin Watson is
the 4th rotational guy when Hollywood's back, but I I think
it's really going to be rice worthy Hollywood and and scraps
for the rest of the guys. If I was to predict it now,
which again, I think we're just like not used to multiple Chiefs
squad receivers being fantasy relevant because we've been
poisoned by the last couple years I'd say I think.
It's also also poisoned by all the idiots playing with Tyree
kill being terrible. Like go look at some of the
second wide receivers who play with It was like end.
It was like end of career Sammy. Watt, DeMarcus.
Robinson, DeMarcus. Robinson.
He's not being drafted in every single.
Draft. No, he's not 2020.
Four, please tell me. Please tell me Pat.
Pat is not a secret to Marcus Robinson.
No, God no. In fact, I cut him in our
fourteen team 24 roster spot dynasty league.
And I knew immediately people like bro, why did you do that?
And like, I got a trade a Sigmund Blooms, like I would
have traded you for DeMarcus Robinson.
And like Josh Norris has been tweeting about D Robbins.
I need, I need Marcus Robbinson. The problem is that he's.
Got the fuck out of the. Skirt.
One of my first tasks at Rotoworld, by the way, when I
was hired, was to console Pat and let him know it was OK to
drop Kenny Yaboa. It was in his dynasty.
Found a joke. It's your dynasty league, you're
in it too. Is that like?
Chris Herndon's backup tight end at that point.
Herndon's backup's backup, I believe.
Yes, yeah. I don't know.
Can I drop I? Don't know.
He was undrafted. I guess we'll pick him up, yeah.
Here's here's a hot take. Shouldn't maybe it's not even
that hot, but worthy? I feel like should he just go
ahead of Rice at this point like this usage is.
No. Really bullish the the rookie
like Bryce was, I believe 27% route participation last year in
week one and then he he slowly ticked up over the course of the
year. This very kind of standard Andy
Reid stuff. If Worthy's just like a full
time starter to begin the year, that's a pretty bullish
indicator on his talent. Like about about his ability to
pick up the playbook about how he's how he's connecting with
Mahomes. Like all of that now.
Maybe some of it's influenced by the I.
Mean the. Marquee stone injury, but it's
still good. Rashi does have a 38% target
chair in the the snaps he's played with Mahomes this pre
season. So I mean Corrine my I'll spoil
this. Can I should I spoil the truth
serum for for the video I'll spoil?
It OK. My my truth serum My truth serum
take is that Xavier worthy is going to score more points than
Malik neighbors. Who's the 2nd Malik Malik
neighbors Malik neighbors is playing with potentially the
32nd out of 32nd ability passing quarterbacks like Daniel Jones.
It's it's because now he's in the I mean, Pat, you're you're
going to be very familiar with this.
Not only is he a terrible quarterback, but he's now a
terrible quarterback that's playing with no confidence, like
like negative level confidence. If you're bad, but you play like
Bortles where you're like, I can make that throw.
You can at least do some stuff. But now Jones is like in his
head as a bad. Quarter, what's the thing?
He's always been a no confidence back in his abilities, but he at
least had confidence like in his body.
His abilities mean like his downfield passing ability now
like we'll even trust his body like will he even I guess the
the early game? The the pick six he threw in the
first quarter of that game, that was Nathan Petermanesque.
I mean, it was, it was so bad it.
Was so. Bad It was I I read an article
in the Athletic this morning and it was saying that Jones was so
bad in the preseason that the the beat reporter actually went
and researched to see how they could get out of his contract
this year. Not next year, this year.
Daniel Jones has the fourth highest cap hit in the NFL this
year. This year, yeah.
So it's it's not great, but the the silver lining for our
purposes was that his take away was that Jones does seem to have
one path, which is that he needs to throw to Malik neighbors
every single time. And if he does, maybe he can,
you know, be serviceable. So the you know, maybe he has no
confidence in his own ability, but if he has enough confidence
in Malik neighbors ability just to pepper him with targets, we
could be OK. Well, then he'll just get him.
He'll get him hurt. He'll hospital ball him probably
in like Week 3. Then though, like there's a lot
of bad outcomes here. Yeah, he's there's.
That's fair. There's not a more franchise
crushing playoff victory than the.
Giants win over the Vikings. In the Wild Card Weekend of
2022. There was something if they just
won, they passed them out of the building.
Like if if you like 13 to six or something, maybe they wouldn't
have done it. They they let Danny like stunt
on them. That's that's giving, that's
letting Shane off the hook too much.
They, they had a franchise tag and and a contract at their
disposal and they said let's franchise our running back and
give a long term deal that's made super hard to get out of to
this quarterback who like we really aren't sure about yet.
Franchise tag the quarterback and see what you have for
another season and pay, pay Barkley because you're not going
to pay him that much and he's the face of the franchise.
Everyone loves him. I was just, it was just a really
dumb. It's an extremely good obvious
point that I had not thought of somehow like.
Yeah, well, franchising steak on Barkley, that that was totally
worth it. Yeah, exactly.
And now they have Devin Singletary.
Like at least you could add Seiko and Barkley.
The breakout Daniel Jones season, I know he he ran a lot.
He had 15 passing, 15 passing tests in 16 games.
Like we're never, we're never going to see anything like it
again. If you have the ability to like
stall on committing to one of these quarterbacks who you kind
of know, isn't it stall, always stall like always, always stall.
The worst case scenario is like, you know, Jordan Love.
The worst case is Dak and Kurt Cousins.
They just got expensive. You have to slightly overpay
Kurt Cousins and Dak. That's the worst case scenario.
Jordan Love, I mean Jordan Love, they stalled, you know, they
gave him the the two year deal and then he was so good that he
was able to dictate a a new deal and OK.
Yeah, shout out to Jordan Love for betting on himself.
Dude, Karain, someone just pinged me in that dynasty trade
that I turned down from you. You trying to offload Jordan
Love to me? Yeah, I'm incredible.
It's incredible how much this stuff swings.
You're like, it's it's really incredible.
In the same league, I couldn't get rid of Geno Smith for a
fourth round pick. No one wanted him.
It's it's dynasty. Dynasty is so miserable.
I heard that anecdote you basically the the trade offer
was basically like Adam Troutman for Jordan Love and.
David said, no, I, I said I offered because you have to do
in this league we have like, it's pretty strict about like
making sure you always have balanced rosters.
So you always have to like get like a guy who is sort of a
roster bouncer, drop a 0. So I offered Davis Jordan Love
for Adam Troutman as the roster drop balancer, but then really
for a second and a third round pick in the following year.
Davis responded to that trade offer by saying, yeah, that's
great, but you have to give me this year's second and this
year's third. I will take Jordan Love from you
for free. Free.
Didn't work out. Davis didn't.
Work out it didn't. We got to, we got to move on
here. 40 minutes in we've we've covered maybe one topic, 2
topics. This this I am like jazzed for
this. I hope we use 30 minutes on Sam
Darnold. Right now, OK, yeah, we have we
have some Sam Darnold stuff. I did some digging here.
So Sam Darnold obviously news breaks that JJ McCarthy is going
to miss the season. Sam Darnold moves up to
draftable territory now, going consistently in sort of the 17th
round. To frame this conversation, I
wanted to look into the history of Sam Darnold.
It is really, really ugly. So he has basically five seasons
where he played meaningful games, 2018 to 2022, never
eclipsed more than 15 fantasy points per game, never eclipsed
more than the quarterback 21 in fantasy points per game scoring.
And now that was kind of generously including a lot of
quarterbacks there. So it's probably a little bit
even worse than that. If you're making excuses for Sam
Darnold, you can look at his list of head coaches and top
weapons. How about, how about the the two
players that he has completed 1 / 100 passes to?
It's it's worse than you could possibly imagine.
It's Robbie Chosen and Jameson Crowder.
Yeah, it's bad. I mean, yeah, for two years,
yeah. OK, OK.
Matt Rule for two years, Adam Gates for two years, Todd Bowles
for one year. I mean, those.
I forgot how bad the weapons were in New York for those
couple of seasons. It was Jameson Crowder, Robbie
Chosen, Chris Herndon. Somehow the second mention of
him on the show, he. Was Quincy and Nunwalk.
He was a member to remember that guy.
Yeah, it's, it's a whole list. Le'veon Bell was the third
highest pass catcher. The jet version of Le'veon Bell
in 2019, I mean. It was.
It was ugly, so you can't make sense.
Who was the OC there in 2019 or 2018 under bowls The.
Gase. It was Jeremy Bates.
Isn't he like a he's a position coach.
I know he's also a Canadian author.
By the way, I was typing in Jeremy Bates on Google.
When you type in an OC and a Canadian author comes up, he
probably wasn't that effective. Here's the.
Deal on Jeremy Bates is that he has not had a job in the NFL
since 2018. This is not a joke.
That's that's a shocker. I mean.
Windhorst. Yeah.
So, yeah, I guess the question for you guys, I'll start with
you, Rhoda. Pat, how many excuses can you
make for Sam Darnold? Are are we really expecting him
to bounce back with better coaching, much better weapons?
What are our thoughts for this? The thing is that they are
really compelling excuses, but I always fall back on there's only
certain players you need to make excuses for and it's usually the
bad players and that the good players somehow find.
A Players find a way. The good players do find a way.
The good players get Jeremy Bates like another job in the
NFL and. There's some Adam gases because
Peyton Manning, Peyton Manning's It's his fault that we dealt
with Adam gaze. So the good players tend to rise
above I I do believe there are probably some players who would
have been really good in the NFL and just got totally crushed by
circumstance and the Sam Darnold resume here looks like that
he's. Literally the guy he's.
I know he might be the guy. He actually might be the guy.
What if, DJ? Stroud had this list of coaches.
Are we doing? No, no, he'd be amazing, dude,
Yeah. I don't think Chris Arnold would
be the Chris Arnold be the Dynasty TV 3 right now.
Come on. Bobby held him back last year,
to be honest. Yeah, but not as much as Jeremy
Bates, Adam Gates and Matt Rule out of Urban Meyer is basically
the only way. The one thing I always come back
to at Darnold is the one time he's ever functional, it was
that Panthers team that went like ultra mega run heavy and
like I I could buy into like he's a quarterback where he can
be a good play action quarterback, like a good pick
your spots quarterback with an elite running game.
We know the Vikings aren't doing that.
We don't want the Vikings to do that.
Obviously, you just you can't do that with Aaron Jones and Ty
Chandler. I just feel like he's going to
be pretty overexposed for like what he needs to be.
But I it is Kevin O'Connell and Justin Jefferson.
I'm open to anything, but I just feel like after six years in the
league, we would know by now if he was a, if he was a there's.
There's a reason these excuses have been made.
Basically, yeah, I don't know, but he it'll probably be
amazing. He's going to make the Sam
share, share this tab share this tab real quick.
I, I, if you want, if you want any reason to give any hope into
some guys who've been in the same cohort as Sam Darnold.
This is quarterbacks age 21 to 26 with over 1500 pass attempts
but less than 6.2 adjusted YPA. There are several guys on this
list playing in, I mean not the same league but who were like
ass and then either became league average or better.
Victoria Randall Cunningham, depending on your perspective.
Sam Bradford. That's really an eye of the
beholder situation. Donovan McNabb.
John Elway. Eli Manning.
Gino mean there? Gino is on the Gino didn't have
the attempts, Gino did not have. If you ran this at like 500
attempts, Gino would be on this list.
I mean, Gino really, I suppose is.
He's the hopeful outcome. Gino is the hopeful comp Alex
Smith honestly is not a totally zero comp.
My my perspective is this. Nick Mullins has a career 8.1
YPA. He played one season away from
the Mick Shanney cheaters. He averaged 4.9 YPA.
He averaged 4.9 YPA in the one non cheating season.
And the cheating is just designing a good offense.
It's not real football. It's not.
It's not, it's not real football though.
It's not real. Pat, you, you are very woke to
this. What the Shanahan's do is not
real football. It's, it's literally, it's
literally cheating. And that's why he the Super Bowl
started. You can see that he knew he
wasn't going to win the He never for one second believed they
were going to win the Super Bowl because even he knows.
Even he knows, yes. So I fully expect that we're
going to be sitting here in the 2024-2025 offseason, right?
And we're going to the the fun fact, the trivia from this year
will be, do you know, do you realize that Sam Darnold was the
quarterback 6 when he was benched?
Yep, you are. Literally, I have never, I have
never agreed with something Pat Koran said more than what he
just said. I thought you were saying the
trivia fact was something that Sam Darnold led the league in
yards per attempt. The Vikings The Vikings led the
league in passing yards last year, with nine of those games
being played by Jaron Hall, Josh Dobbs and Nick Mullins.
Yeah, but he's he we got to Sam Howell again, right?
This is this is the Sam Howell situation.
But but you don't have really any.
So part of the reason I was out on Sam Howell last year was that
you had an offensive coordinator in B enemy who was like
desperately trying to kind of prove himself and Ron Rivera
very, very clearly in the hot seat.
And so these coaches that need to save their jobs or try to get
new jobs are not going to just ride it out with Hal to the
bitter end. So if he's if he's bad, if he if
he, you know, takes a bunch of sacks, kind of did you know,
does what he did at the end there just kind of all falls
apart. Then they're going to bench him
and they're going to go to berset.
But this is a much more secure situation for Kevin O'Connell.
I mean in some ways like. Literally no chance he gets
fired. Like zero chance.
I don't know. I never, I never go that far in
the NFL to be honest. Like they don't care if you're
sharp or not. I kind of think the Vikings
front office is already on the hot seat, to be honest.
KOC no one would ever perceive him as being on the hot seat.
I think there's already a little no.
Some questionable processes. You know, you know this.
You know this as well as we do, though.
The rookie quarterback getting the preseason injury buys them
so much. Sort of.
I don't know about that either, to be honest, Because he was
like, that was a polarizing pick, a questionable pick.
He would. He looked good in the preseason.
There's a lot of hope. There's a lot of hope.
Kevin Kevin Cole tweeted this and I've never thought something
is more accurate. Him looking kind of good for two
quarters in the preseason bought him like a 15 year NFL career
even if he had like like his range of outcomes went from UFL
in three years to chase Daniel like he chase Daniel at worst
at. Worst I I would say to be honest
I wish this is like how cynical I am when when he got hurt JJ
McCarthy one of my first thought I wish this was her joke.
One of the first thoughts that popped in my head was over under
9 1/2 career starts for JJ McCarthy.
Like I just a guy who was the QB friggin 5 like who should not
who if they hadn't taken him might have fallen out of the
first round. No, no, people were People were
pretty woke to JJ McCarthy. There was a big.
Some people were other people are taking other quarterbacks
and then sitting them for two years instead of like, you know,
I don't know when you could have like traded down.
And I don't know where I'm going with that, to be honest.
But I just never thought JJ McCarthy was good.
It's a big problem. Yeah, no, I mean, you're right.
Like Donald. Really, he could.
The problem with Darnold is that he throws the interceptions he
makes like egregious mistakes that get people benched.
So that that's where it's very kind of it's like Daniel Jones
this year where like there's a good chance he gets benched if
they don't make the playoffs. You know, they they may really,
really be in, you know, want to make sure that he is not their
quarterback in 2025. And the way to do that is to
bench him once, once you're out of the playoff race.
That's not the case with Darnold.
Like he's just not going to be their quarterback in 2025.
But if he could be bad enough where they throw in Mullins,
they throw in whoever. Else yeah, that's what I'm
saying is like, don't you think KOC deep down believes that he
can make the playoffs with Nick Mullins and if if Darnold starts
like seeing. Ryan on Mullins.
No, no, no, no. But but Sam, this is almost this
is almost missing the forest for the trees because something that
we have not touched on yet is that also every coach believes
they can fix Sam Arnold. That's why he keeps getting
these contracts. Shanahan thought it Rule thought
it because he was, you know, let's not obfuscate the prospect
that he was. He was an unbelievably appealing
prospect. He was super young.
He was a really great deep thrower.
Like he had these kind of things.
You can't, and he does throw a beautiful ball.
People thought he might go #1. People thought he might go #1
like he, he really was a great prospect.
And that carries sway. Also, you know who the, you
know, the quarterbacks coaches for the Minnesota Vikings, Josh
McCown, who is like best friends with Sam Darnold.
They were team mates for The Jets.
McCown lobbied for him, wanted him.
He got paid a bunch of money for a backup quarterback.
I think he's 10 and a half million dollars a.
Year. You know what this means?
Davis, Josh. McCown, Sam Darnold.
Underdog Show 2025. Yep.
Yep, Yep, Yep, Yep. Yep, I got. 2027 when he's been
fired and. McCarthy's already.
Arnold Donnelly, Yeah. I, I got AI got a little bit of,
I got a little bit of trivia here.
So this was Kevin O'connell's first year ever being in a
serious role for a team. He was the Washington
Commanders. Was he the quarterbacks?
He was the OC for the 2019 Washington Football Team.
His quarterbacks were Case Keenum, age 31, Case Keenum,
Dwayne Haskins, and Colt McCoy. Any guesses on the YPA that he
got out of those guys on 479 attempts?
Well, Keenum was kind of good. Keenum was sneaky good.
You described, you just described 7.4 there.
That's what you described, Davis.
No 6.76.76.7 would be jet Sam Darnold would have would have
committed a crime for 6.7 YPA I I just.
He did commit a crime. Adrian.
Peterson. Adrian Peterson and Darius Geiss
were the lead rushers for this Washington team.
Like Darius? Geiss, my God.
I, I, I if I end up being wrong, whatever.
This. Is what is the right way to
play? Because like in redraft, right,
you get boxed out of quarterback Sam Darnold.
No, no, like redraft. It's like Trevor Lawrence
falling, Justin Herbert's falling.
Sure, you're right. You're right, you shouldn't do
it. I don't know how you would.
Be the the way to play, maybe. Superflex.
Is superflex the right superflex?
No, no, Superflex. It's the kind of thing where you
like you, you like outwardly, like, oh, dude, I really didn't
want to take Sam Darnold. I would take, I would take Sam
Darnold over Aaron Rodgers in Superflex, I think.
Yeah, so, but, but the problem is in Superflex if you lose a
quarterback to bench to him getting bench, that's, that's
also like what is the format where yeah, we can't the bench
risk is a problem And I, I don't, I don't really think BBM
is the right format for him. Like he's if we lose him in the
final weeks. You know who the right You know
what the right format is for Sam Darnold.
This is the most best ball. No, this is the most best ball
brain thing you've ever heard someone say.
It's a really good pick. And weekly winners, yes.
No, you're right dude. Where he's like he, he's like,
he's like 30% owned in the whole contest.
And he just, I mean, we're we're about 30 minutes into the same
Darnold discussion. We haven't mentioned the best
wide receiver in the NFL who so happens to be his teammate.
You can take Justin Jefferson and.
Jefferson fallen behind Amin Ross St.
Brown. That's crazy, yeah.
So one of the most beautiful things that's ever happened in
fantasy football that you could just be like, you could get the
109 in your home league draft and be like, dude, I might get
Justin Jefferson. Might get the best skilled
player on planet Earth. Is this bad for him?
I I don't think it's bad. No, I think it's I think it's
bad. I think he wanted two outs to
get quarterback play. And you can believe in the Sam
Darnold comeback, but man, it's still Sam Darnold.
He averaged 20. He averaged 18 1/2 points a game
with Mullins. I know, but.
Dude, Mullins might be better than Darnold.
Like he might be, let's be, he might be.
Yeah, I I just think with Darnold it's tough because you
have Drake May and Bo Nicks who go after him now.
And it's still so much better. Yeah, May is a way.
Better you should draft may over same.
Yeah, but I say draft Nicks even.
No, Yeah, you're probably right. No, no, no.
No, Nix. I did see, I did I did see
someone say Nix has CJ Stroud outs where he like elevates the
whole team. And I just I did want I just
wanted this to be on record that that's the exact opposite of
what Nix does. The thing that Nix does is he
takes the catastrophic more turnovers than touchdowns thing
out of the range of outcomes for a rookie quarterback because
it's like the exact opposite of what he does.
But he he will never be that guy.
He's not an elevator, no. No, he's not an elevator.
No, you're hoping to get like, I don't know, like some goffy
spike weeks. Out Yeah, you're hoping for the
scam. You're just Knicks is the the
total scam. Player big scam show here Yeah.
I used to scam play. But you get the job security.
Like they can't. I mean, I guess Peyton does
whatever he wants, so maybe he could, but they're unlikely to
bench knit. Knicks is the Week 1 starter.
You know, like you, he's a first round rookie.
Like benching him at the end of the season, you know, that's a,
that's a sign of failure. That's like a problem.
Coaches don't want to do that. So you get the job security with
him, which is a big, it's a big deal.
Let's move on here to the 49ers running back situation.
Jordan Mason is a big riser. He's up 20 spots to pick 187.
Elijah Mitchell, basically the opposite pattern.
He's down 15 spots to pick 2:04. I raise the question, is it
Jover for Elijah Mitchell? Start with you, Davis.
I really have a hard time caring about this situation.
It's like year 11 of the Eli Mitchell experience.
I've we've also literally done this with Jordan Mason.
Like we literally did this already.
My opinion is that Shanahan is such a Dick with these guys that
I don't really like taking either of them.
Tony Schrader. Season folks, even though I was
either horrific over the weekend.
He. Was not very, he was not very.
He was not very good. But Guirendo is going to be
active on game days because he's the kick returner.
So you're talking about four running backs being active.
It just like, I don't know, my conviction is very low.
I I take estimate over these guys like every time.
So I wanted to start with like the just the history of what we
actually have like game data of we have we have a 20 game sample
of both Mitchell and Mason being healthy in the game in same
game. And trust me this was not easy
data to come up with cuz Elijah Mitchell has about 7 injuries
alone in the last two years. Where he.
Missed. So that's why Mason had in the
discussion. They're sick of it.
They're sick. Exactly.
That's why. But still, even with with all of
that Elijah Mitchell bullshit, we have 20 games the last two
years of both of them being healthy at the same time.
It is pretty obvious if you trust last two years of data who
the team likes better. 17 1/2 of those 20 games.
There was one game where they tied Mitchell played more snaps
than Mason. Twenty of those games, Mitchell
played at least one offensive snap.
Jordan Mason only saw one offensive snap in 12 out of 20
of those games. It doesn't really matter if you
split out only 2023 or only 2022.
I looked at this. It's pretty similar both years.
So we kind of did this last year where everyone was like writing
Mitchell's obituary. There was like the one game
where Jordan Mason out, snapped him, I think CMC maybe got a
little banged up or something, and then they went right back to
Mitchell as sort of a clear #2 So I just wanted to say that I
don't. Know hurt again.
Yeah, and then he got hurt again, and he's hurt now, and
also. That's what we would expect to
see. I mean, he was the clear backup
and the the difference is that Shanahan has been and you know,
Shanahan was asked last year, what would Jordan Mason need to
do to play more? And he's like, he would need 2
injuries in front of him because it's our running back three.
What are you talking about? So like it was it was not.
It was very clear that he was the running back three behind
Mitchell. But there's been talk that maybe
that's changing and that Mason has taken the job this offseason
from Mitchell. So I guess I'm not like we are.
Just interject there when you say talk of that crane like it
is just beat speculation and like Shanahan has not come out
and said. He hasn't said ahead, but he's
been complimentary of Mason and talking and growing as a as a
running back. My vaguely serious but kind of
Galaxy brain take on the situation is that Kyle Shanahan
is like usually so unforgiving with young players and for some
reason like he gave all like the leash in the world to Elijah
Mitchell. Like I almost felt like got the
sense sometimes like dude, I cannot believe like Kyle
Shanahan is like keeping the faith so much with Elijah
Mitchell. Like this is so against type for
him. I almost wondered if he was like
trying to go. Because it's like.
I'm going to be this mad for once I'm going.
To be it's because. No, it's because Eli Mitchell,
he'll bail them out the rookie year.
He had no plan if Eli Mitchell wasn't good that year.
It's possible, but like, I've been stunned how much patience
he's had with Elijah Mitchell, who commits the cardinal sin of
not being. Available he's he's the Joe
Williams of Ben Tate's is kind of my thought on Eli Mitchell.
What does that? Mean if you think about it,
you'll get there. No, no, it does he.
Was better than Ben Tate. He's already done more than Ben
Tate. No, no, Ben Tate was awesome
until he got the job. Ben Tate was amazing anytime
we'd see him for 20 snaps a game.
But but Elijah Mitchell was like instantly really good his rookie
year. Like, yeah, again, he's like
that one season. Was better than Tate's entire
career. I'm telling you, if you think
about it long enough, you'll get there.
All right, we'll we'll think that over.
I don't want to spend a ton more time here, but yeah, I think the
answer. Is that like?
I don't know what that means. What does it mean I'll have?
To think, I'll have to think about it.
I'll get the one we don't. Even know what it means.
We'll get back to you. Yeah.
I mean, if CMC gets hurt, it's just like pretty obviously going
to be a committee and then Mitchell will probably get hurt
too, so. CMC gets hurt trading for
Javonte Williams. Although I've been keep, I keep
insisting on every podcast I go on the Cowboys, they're going to
trade for Javonte. Williams No, you know, they they
first they sign Jeff Wilson and then Tevin Coleman and then.
That's true. Oh my God, that's.
That's the pecking order of who they.
No, it's guys. It's Dalvin Cook.
You think Dalvin Cook is not already looking like he's got
Department of Dallas? It's always it's always Tevin
Coleman. Somehow Tevin Coleman like
played the most snaps out of any running back in the Super Bowl
last year for the 49ers. That's that's not true, but
it's. No, it might be it.
Might be. It's look it up, Tom, the Pro
Football Reference. Game What is Tevin Coleman the
blank of? Well, I don't understand the
first thing that you it's hard for me to do it again.
Like I have no idea what the what.
No, I said I said one. I had one in the ship chasing
discord last night that everyone universally agreed was accurate.
I but I don't remember what it was.
No, you said something like this is.
The boyfriend in Canada of of smart points.
You had something about someone who's the the Panthers, Adam
Phelan of I can't remember, but it was, it made sense.
It was. No, it was.
It was. OK, I'm gonna go find it.
I'm gonna find it. You guys continue the show.
I'm gonna go find it. Funny thing I said.
Let's let's move on to Braylon Allen, maybe a little bit more
exciting on the topic. He's up 17 spots to pick 169.
Start with you, wrote a Pat. How are you approaching The Jets
backup running back situation this year?
Well, it's kind of a thing is more of like a redraft in
basketball guy, even though I still have been drafting a
little bit. I'm just kind of like, why am I
even supposed to care about this?
Like Braylon Allen to me was like.
That's basically the every single thing on the show you can
basically. Say that.
No, no, no, the Braylon Allen's more like like I already just
like took it as an article of faith.
He was the main contingency back.
I don't. I mean I know they the drum beat
has been weird on Braylon Allen. I must admit I'm almost getting
worried he could have some sort of stand alone role, but I still
just don't know why he would be more than speaker back.
You mean excited? Not like he's just a pure
breather back to me. And the drum beat's weird
though. The drum beat is weird.
The Drum. Beat What If it's a What if it's
a Thunder and lightning situation?
I would be devastated. I would be totally devastated.
By the way, it was Josh Palmer is the Panthers, Adam Thielen of
Cortland Suttons, which is I I dare you.
I say that again. Josh Palmer.
Is the Panthers Adam Thielen of Cortland Suttons?
That honestly rings true to me. That that's.
Right. No, I think that is.
Right, that rings true to me. That rings true all.
Right. Anyways, here's the thing on
Braylon Allen. Yeah, he is a great pick because
he's got immediate, unquestioned.
All I was saying, Davis, is I already thought that and like, I
don't really know what's changed.
Now I see what you're saying now.
Yeah, yeah. I had already baked all that in
and I just wasn't sure like why the narrative is changing other
than they they keep steaming him the coaching staff themselves.
Yeah, this is. But it's compelling.
This is a case of people taking the Yankee stuff too seriously
where like Isaiah Davis was playing some snaps ahead of him
in this the most recent pre season game that that's like the
total nothing. They just want to see some
Isaiah Davis. That's all I meant with Braylon
Allen was like, I like the situation changed question mark.
Like I wasn't really sure like what had changed for.
Braylon yeah, I think it's just people.
I I think this is an effect of the Week 1 preseason usage,
which was really bullish for Braylon.
And everyone's just putting their chips all in on him being
the clear handcuff because yeah, I think I think people are
desperate. Like like we talked about with
Elijah Mitchell and Jordan Mason, there's so many of these
ambiguous RV2 situations that just seeing one that looks
that's. A fairpoint.
That's a fairpoint. Yeah, it's just kind of a best
ball brain take, I think. No, but it's it's applicable to
season long and redraft too. Yeah.
Best ball season long, you know what I mean?
Yeah, Yeah, it's applicable too. Yeah.
Yeah, I I did want to say that the Isaiah Davis thing, this
this was weird. Crane, I don't know if you had
any read on this. Isaiah Davis did go into the
game before Braylon Allen last week and played like slightly
more snaps of the starters. Are you putting any weight into
that or should we just like trust the the Braylon Trumpy and
ignore this? Yeah, I mean, I would say
Braylon Allen's probably the Roy Halu of Latavius Murrays.
No, that's no, no he. Was a way better no.
He's the someone. He's the Brandon, Brandon Jacobs
of Tracer. No, he's like, no, he's.
He's like that. He's like that.
He's like the Alfred Morris of Felix Jones is much more
accurate. I'd say he's the Legarrette
Blunt of Tyrone Wheatley's. I well, I had you had me on
Legarrette blunt. I could.
He's the he's the both. Scarborough of Ah fuck I
couldn't come up. He's the audric estimate of
Blake Watson. 'S Audric estimate and Blake
Watson and one guy would be like, say, Quad Berkeley.
Then we're talking league, we're talking league winner.
Yeah no, I mean I I don't think we should be overreacting to
Isaiah Davis getting a little bit of run Braylon Allen like
immediately established himself as the running back to there.
Izzy Band of Canada was like out as soon as he arrived They
they've been talking up his ability to catch passes
versatility looks looks pretty good.
So it's probably like a little bit of a minor thing to keep in
the back of your mind, but we we're betting on these running
back twos that are kind of the clear cut running back twos.
But we'd also like some hope that they're talented and Allen
does give us that. You know, like I'm taking Damien
Pierce now I'm taking Tank Bigsby.
Like these guys have shown me, they stink.
I've taken a few tank Bigsby's man by.
The way I like, I like taking. I have principles.
I mean, I, I respect it like I, I, I'm debasing myself by taking
these guys, so I know. It's a total total debasement.
Tank Bixby being a good pick now like objectively is so annoying
to me because I don't want a player who is that bad to he was
Cadarius Tony level bad. He was he.
Was so. Bad.
He was so bad. Yeah, so I mean Alan like just
by not having been that bad is a great pick.
Like honestly, like he's maybe he's not like 100% giga locked
into an every down rolls. OK, but like, you know, neither
is Bigsby. Bigsby would probably split time
with Jernis Johnson if Travis ETM went down.
And yet he's draftable just on the basis of him getting the
first crack of the RB2 job. So draftable for the role.
Plus, who knows, he might be good is kind of a smash at at
the range he's still going in. Yeah, I understand now why this
is happening. You guys have all made a lot of
good points in Braylon Allen. Yeah.
Let's move on here to Jaguars wide receiver situation, Another
sort of ADP riser faller pairing.
Brian Thomas is up four spots to pick 74, while Christian Kirk is
down five spots to pick 52. It's kind of an annual tradition
that everyone freaks. Out that Christian Kirk.
Doesn't doesn't play in two wide receiver sets in the preseason.
We we called this last year. I did dig into the data a little
bit last year. There is.
I think we always freak out every year.
Every year. Year 5 of this experience.
You were playing in the slot. It also literally was fought.
It was literally 5 snaps. The Jaguars play with the
starters and pieces in week one and he literally just didn't
play on the single 12 personnel snap.
So yeah, but when you but when you break it down into
percentages, it seems way worse. Like the like the stat.
Oh, Dantavian Wicks only played 33% of the snaps with the
starters for the Packers, buddy. It's incredible.
It's it's amazing. It really, it is ridiculous.
Last year there definitely was like this week one data point is
really like the scary one week one.
Last year, maybe this was the plan for Zay Jones got banged
up. Christian Kirk played just 66%
or ran just 66% of the routes. After that week though, there
really wasn't a huge difference between, you know, when Zay
Jones was healthy and when he wasn't.
Christian Kirk still averaged 85% of the routes even with Zay
Jones healthy. That's due to the Jaguars just
playing a ton of 11 personnel that didn't really run much, 12
last year. So, yeah, start with you, Rhoda
Pad. Are you worried at all about
Christian Kirk? Like, you think there's a, you
know, a big difference between Ridley and Zay Jones to Brian
Thomas and Gabe Davis in terms of Kirk's outlook for 2024.
Christian Kirk's the kind of player I just always worry
about. And I think like it's been
overreactions, but I feel like it was people coming back to
reality like Christian Kirk is like the hard capped player.
Like there's just a totally hard ceiling with Christian Kirk.
Maybe Brian Thomas has like through like through the bottom
of the house floor. Like the floor can totally drop
out for Brian Thomas. There's a least unknown ceiling
there. He's like been flashing a lot of
his like his like pre draft like skill set has been showing up on
the pre season field and more like the practice field.
But it has been showing up like the upside Brian Thomas outcomes
like wow and is the classic anytime there's a first round
ride receiver that doesn't get hyped.
Like in general, if you're gonna overhype or underhype a first
round receiver, you're always better off overhyping them
because there's like a failure of imagination a lot of times
with like first round picks, like where especially like in
the 20s, you'd like focus on the negatives where I think it was a
reminder to focus on the positive.
These guys and Brian Thomas has been flashing the positive.
Like Christian Kirk's is another guy a lot of especially people
like me who aren't drafting like literally every day.
But you don't need to give me reasons to not take Christian.
I already was not taking Christian Kirk.
Like I'd rather be dead than drafting Christian Kirk like he
was just not doing. It is Brian Thomas like a
generational wide receiver. 4 prospect I think.
Was he only the wide receiver four or was he like the wide
receiver six, I think. Generational widers here 5.
Yeah, if I remember correctly I think wasn't Justin Jefferson
the 5th drafted Widers? That's a generational wider 05.
Out of the JSN hole I believe 22 I think.
So. JSN.
I like that you can only think in terms of JSN wrote a pack,
because that's how kind of my brain works, yeah.
That's definitely. That's definitely Sam.
Listen. All of us, somehow, one way or
another. Last, the other Yeah, we were
all broken. Yeah.
But yeah, Brian Thomas, the thing about Brian Thomas I
wanted to bring up is that like all offseason, the beats in
Jacksonville were like, yeah, this guy's like, not that good.
He's not really flashing. He makes one like in ( 1 play in
the preseason. And now all of a sudden the
beats are like, yeah, this guy's the best we've ever seen.
Actually not. True, John Shipley has has like
Brian Thomas, Yeah. But their their tone changed a
lot after the preseason game. Well, I think maybe I to me it
was something that had already shifted and then it became a
megaphone once. We agree with.
That already started to hear. So what I I was cracking up when
we were doing our rankings discussion last week.
I was like, we are so sick that we've actually like you know how
we used to get biased for like 8 weeks by what happened week 1?
I guess we still do, but we're now biased against Brian Thomas
because of two days to start training camp.
Like that's how in the weeds. Because that's because that's
when we're most locked in is right when training camp.
Like name something that happened at Bill's training camp
the last week. You don't know.
Right, people, People. Ease back, they cut Khalil
Shakur and. No one knows that.
I. But the the Communicate reports
shifted on Thomas after the first like three or four days.
They were like, this dude's starting to make plays
downfield. He's really difficult to cover
downfield. Hopefully he can add more to his
repertoire, but he's already showing that he's he's like a
legit downfield receiver. Yeah, I think he's one of the
the best fix. And I think so.
Especially on like DraftKings. I keep bringing up DraftKings.
It's the only place I'm. Alive he is super cheap.
Super cheap on other platforms. He's going to be like non
existent too and like, you know, like my kind of like home
leagues. Redress.
Yeah, you, you literally you, you literally have to like hit
the scroll function on your mouse like three times to.
Get you lock the scroll button here this.
Yeah, you lock, you lock. This goes all the way down.
Yeah, he's got the boring name name factor too, for your home
leagues. Like people are going to see
Brian Thomas and be like, I'm taking Xavier.
They're going to have no idea if he's like Ricky or not like
Brian. Like you said, an anodyne name
ever like. Yeah.
I could pick are are we? Worried at all, even a even a
smidge about these? The Jaguars beats saying it
actually looks like they're asking Gabe Davis to be a real
wide receiver. Like instead of just running 9
routes. I looked at the Jags.
Doug Peterson seems to never have any idea what he's doing.
Ever since the Super Bowl. Like seems to never.
Have It's a real one. This is a real.
One that's a real one. Yeah, it's no clue and I do
worry about that. We can move past this Christian
Kirk comparison. Nothing really big.
To see here. This is the you know about this,
this is like, this is like the lifeblood of this show.
Yeah, I didn't know this one actually.
I had, I had like made this chart and then I realized I had
no way to, to segue to it. Like why am I comparing
Christian Kirk to you again? You know why?
It's all about the injuries. This will actually be good.
Teagans. Dark secret for Teagans is that
it's never been good. It's kind of an open secret on
this. It is actually.
It's. On the show, Rico Dowdle, we got
to talk about. Because it's.
Hired Crane wrote an article about him, so we got to talk
about him. Crane.
I'll, I'll give you the floor here.
I read your article. Everyone should check it out on
Legendary Upside. Something about you don't even
have to be right about Rico Dowdell.
I'm butchering the title, but I thought that was a good article.
Give the case for why Dowdell should go even higher if you
think you should. Yeah, it's talking about barely
being right. We're like, we want to, to the
extent possible, we don't want to have to like hit huge home
runs. And you know how different we
are from the field. And Dowdell I think just gives
us basically, I'm saying I think his range of outcomes, although
it includes bad scenarios where they sign someone like Miles
Sanders or Magic P Ryan or whatever like that.
That's obviously a huge problem and you'll feel really bad about
drafting him if that happens. But if that doesn't happen,
you're getting a guy who's competing against Zeke right
now. He's splitting reps with the
ones he's being priced at like the same level of Blake Quorum
where it's like it's a pure contingency based bet.
So you're getting like even if he was just the locked in RB2 to
Zeke's RB1, we would be interested at this price.
So you're getting a lot of upside of that.
He takes that job really not baked into the ADP.
Now maybe it's balancing out the risk of him turning to a zero if
they signed someone. But my thing with the signing is
like he would still go in like the Roshan Johnson area.
I think like they're bringing in like washed Miles Sanders or
some cast off like Izzy Abandacanda.
Even AP Rhyme like P rhyme would mostly play on passing downs.
He'd kind of be a spider man meme.
Spider Man points to Zeke so because I think I stole from
Reeves. But anyway, the the the guys
they would bring in, like Khalil Herbert was the one that scared
me because that's that's kind of like the one for one replacement
for the role I envisioned for Dowdell.
But like I don't think that's happening.
So I'm basically feeling that Dowdell's ADP kind of reflects
like just a weaker bet than he actually is if things break
right for him. So I am, I am taking him.
I'm kind of, I would say somewhere in the early one
hundreds is where I go, OK, this now feels properly priced.
But I mean, this dude was going in the one 30s.
He's now in the one 20s. Once he is in the one teens, it
feels a lot. Wouldn't you just take him over
like truths? Can I give you some truths?
Here sure wouldn't. Wouldn't you just take him to
like RB29? Well, who's so?
Who's that over? Like Brian Robinson.
No, I wouldn't take him over Robinson I don't think cuz cuz
Robinson's almost like what I hope he is.
I'm hoping I'm getting Brian Robinson on the Cowboys, but I
think Robinson is in a decent enough situation.
I would just take Robinson. I would take him over Javonte
probably, but I guess I'm not a reliable Javonte narrator.
I think that's. Is the Shane Vereen of something
I got to, I got to work more on this one, but he's the Shane
Vereen of something. Shane Vereen of Rashard Higgins.
No, you can't. You can't do cross positional.
No, I meant not, damn it. Who's no?
I think he's the Dernest Johnson of Dernest Johnson of Dante
Foremans, I think. I like.
That's good. John said Beyoncé's foreman's.
Yeah, that's pretty good. Actually, that's pretty good.
Yeah, good. By the way, I was trying to do
one earlier and I couldn't think of Michael Bush.
It was driving me crazy. I went with Tyrone Wheatley, but
I really. Won't do Broncos running back
Michael Bush he. Was Raiders Raiders Michael Bush
right? I was totally obsessed.
Tie all that in together. I was obsessed with the idea
that the Cowboys would just trade for Javonte Williams.
I haven't seen any buzz to that effect whatsoever.
I think, I think sneakily, Sean Payton, like, loves Javonte.
Williams, he I think I'm starting trying to believe it.
I am starting to believe it does.
Shane Berine of Benny Snell's Kevin Tompkins got it.
Alex. Collins of Chris Carson's.
That's pretty good. It's pretty good, but it's two.
They're two similar. Styles.
I don't know if the style's really the same there either.
It's. Hard to say.
All right, where, where are we on the show I wanted to get rid
of? Pets.
I wanted to get rid of pets. Rico Dowd will take.
Yeah. What are what are your thoughts
on him here? You know, he's being priced on
underdog at like running back 35.
I think it is. I don't know, even later 38, I
assume even in home links he's maybe even going later than
that. Here's your take over at Pat.
I'm just I'd much rather bet on the unknown upside principle
with Rico Dadel than than whatever the principle is with
Zeke at this point. And like I'm 0.0 drafting Zeke
and not like drafting Rico dado a lot but there we I just read
I'm betting on the unknown outcome where I feel like I know
every Zeke outcome and they're all shitty.
And like I'm betting on the unknown outcomes with Rico dado.
Even if it comes to nothing in the end, which it's still very
well might I, I still just cannot shake the feeling that
the the Cowboys backfield touch leader is not on the.
Team not on the roster, yeah. Yeah, everyone can shake that
feeling. That's why both of their
starting running backs are going outside the top 120.
It's true. It's true.
That is why, because I mean Cowboys running back, if if you
were to like build a model that would project, you know,
expected fantasy points for the league average running back
across across all rosters, Cowboys have to be top five,
right? Like really high scoring
offense. Led the NFL in points last
season and their second skill position player does not go
until Jake Ferguson and their running back doesn't go till
running back 38. Here's the way to think.
About it might be pointing to Cowboys offensive collapse.
I have been. Worried about this?
Yeah, people are pretty woke at this, I think.
Well, the offensive line is still rated pretty well and
DAC's still DAC. So I'm, I guess I'm, I'm
skeptical of a total offensive collapse like that's.
Isn't the offensive line of like no depth?
Like if they stay pretty healthy I think the offensive line is
fine, but. I'm not sure how deep it is
there's. The depth issues with the
Cowboys off and like some injury concerns, here's.
Here's a way to think about this.
This running back thing, let's say that we get a running back
to sign here. That is essentially a weak
incumbent starter, right? We're talking about like Miles
Sanders. We were betting against Miles
Sanders last year as a weak incumbent starter.
He'd be an even weaker incumbent start.
Let's grant him that he's the starter, OK?
Zeke and Dowdle as the RB2 would be worth the current prices that
they have now. What you would need to be right
about which one is the RV two because the other one would be a
really overpriced RV 3. But like you're getting, even if
someone comes and becomes the one here, I think one of these
two guys, Zeke or Dowdle would still be worth their current
price. So that's why I'm just like we
are pricing in way too much fear.
I've been with the Ukraine on this for so long.
Like Dowdell's Price was like in the one 80s before the NFL draft
because everyone was saying, oh, they're going to draft someone,
They're going to draft someone. And I was saying, OK, even if
they do Rico Dowdell as the handcuff in like the one 80s or
one 90s, Like it doesn't seem like I'm making the worst bet in
the world there. I just think there's just no
belief in this guy that didn't record an NFL touch until what,
year three or year four of his career?
Like people just. Are giving this guy absolutely
nothing and I don't really understand it.
He's, I think my highest on running back, just purely
betting on the situation. I don't really have any real
takes on if he's like that good of a player.
The situation is just too good for me to ignore.
I'll say the addition. If you're a Rico guy, you want
the addition to be a free agent and not a trade.
You want the addition free agent, not a trade.
By the way, I couldn't remember. It's like Tyler Guyton was a
very divisive first round. It looks like though, he's been
amazing. Looks like, yeah, I, that was
the name I was trying to recall was all the offensive line nerds
are saying. He's incredible.
Tyler Guyton's incredible. The Cowboys offensive collapse
is not going to happen, man. They how is Brandon Cooks the
number diet? I don't know.
Well, how did this happen? Karina, are you or or not?
Karan? Pat, are you woke to to the
Jalen Tolbert offseason? I've been doing a little bit I'm
I'm woke to everyone else being woke to it.
Yeah, everyone else is way too woke, this is.
You know, you know. We need a conservative backlash
on Jalen Tolbert. Did you read?
Did you read this cowboys.com story about him?
No, I have not somehow. So.
It sounds like I don't want to. I don't.
I don't want to be. I'm about to.
I'm about to ruin your day. Basically, he spent the entirety
of the offseason. He lives in the same
neighborhood as Dak Prescott. And apparently every day this
summer they would wake up, have breakfast, and then just run
routes in Dak's literal backyard.
And what Dak said was that every year, my career, I picked one
guy to work out with. Last year it was CD Lamb.
The year before it was Dalton Schultz before Dalton Schultz's
career year. And basically he was like, you
know, I don't think he's going to have CDs season, but he could
like he was basically just like he was basically like you, You
should be woke to Jalen Tolberg, but you just.
Described real quick before packet.
You just described Brandon Cook's surprise cut season.
No, I think what you described is Dallas Cowboys total
offensive collapse. Can I, I'd like to, I'd like to
argue against that because I've seen a lot of this in the
YouTube comments and stuff. And what I would like to say
against that is this is just total back press Scott erasure.
Like it's, it's everyone being like Dak always sucks in the
playoffs. So it means he's bad.
Dak is like the 8th best quarterback.
He's like the 8th best quarterback in the NFL.
Like we, we can stop, we can stop with the, the Cowboys maybe
aren't going to lead the NFL in points.
Maybe they're ninth in the NFL in points.
They're not going. It's not going to be collapse.
It's not going to be they go to 0.
I, no, I, I agree. I, I've had a really hard time
getting over with the Tolbert stuff of like guy who's never
been good, you know, has breakfast with DAC.
That's, that's definitely worth something.
But like, I don't know if it's worth like him jumping 4 rounds
in ADP and like, you still got Turpin there.
There's like some of these young guys that could get more work
over the course of the season. Flournoy had a like weirdly
positive quote from McCarthy Day.
Flournoy. Flournoy was he wanted to talk
about being woke. He had a very good third quarter
in the preseason game with with Lance against.
He had like 6 catches on a drive and like a very good route and
touchdown. Like, I was kind of impressed.
I kept him over DeMarcus Robinson, if you're wondering.
You know, you know ball. You know, ball.
Yeah, you know, you know Ball. There we go.
It's settled. It's settled.
All right, we, we had it. We had to get, we had to get to
this topic today. Rotopat, he called it last year
Cooper Cup did hit the target Cliff.
Now the question is, can he climb back up from that target?
Cliff, when does the target Cliff fade?
Is it? It's just your career, You're
done. Yeah, it's over.
It's like the running back thing.
You never get your legs back. It's over.
OK, that's that's too bad. Yeah.
But do you have any, any real takes on Cooper Cup?
What is? The target Cliff?
How many targets? 100 and 51150 after a certain
age. So you go back out.
I'm just going to go see you go back-to-back. 1:50 it's really
over. Like you can maybe do that.
You can do it maybe twice if you're lucky.
And my taking cup is that I am out and like, he is not.
We're going to use a lion I've used a few times.
Like he didn't exactly become the next Michael Thomas because
he has at least played amidst the injuries the past two years.
Like really disturbed by the cratering efficiency.
Only 34th and 1.77 yards per route run last season.
And like this is like, it wouldn't be like the most insane
thing to turn back the clock, I guess at age 31, but it would
not be the most likely outcome. And I guess the positive case is
Puka has injury uncertainty of his own.
Like Puka has a really long injury history and there's a
chance the Puka was like a rare first year career year type of
guy. I don't I probably don't believe
that, but I still don't. I don't think it's a deep skill
core despite the DeMarcus Robinson Bros, but I just think
the injuries have really, really taken a toll on Cooper Cup.
Like the declining efficiency I can't shake.
Like the injury issues, I just can't shake.
And again, he's at least gotten on the field, unlike Michael
Thomas. But I I just don't know how
Cooper Cup throws like basically like the decline car into
reverse at this point. He just seems like he's in
decline to be and it'd be a huge deal if he played all 17 games.
I guess he's top 20 no matter what if he plays all 17 games.
But I just don't know why you'd expect Cooper Cup to play 17
games at this point. It's my very like, not
scientific take. But he's not a totally healthy
offseason. Like, it's not like he's coming
in off of a, you know, a big injury.
Maybe he knows how to manage it during the offseason.
I would hope so after being like, you know, in the NFL for
seven or eight years. But like, once like the regular
season starts, like, what's going to stop this guy from
getting hurt? Couples also like, you know,
beloved hard worker, kind of like he's he as far as a guy
kind of doing the right things, taking care of his body, like
being prepared with a with a full offseason.
He's not recovering from anything now.
Just you go from like a literal all time top three or four
receiver season to somehow 1.77 yards per outrun in two years.
Like I just. I.
Don't. Yeah, he's playing through a
couple different injuries over the course of the year.
Well, the guys don't get healthier at age 31, though.
That's kind of what I was. Even if he is ostensibly healthy
right now or in that he's not battling like a current injury.
Like all that, like accumulation is very real and I just don't.
And some of it's hamstring stuff, which is obviously
recurring. Yeah, it can be recurring.
So I hear you there. I don't know, he's always been
kind of a peaks and valleys guy though too.
And maybe he's got. More I I just I will not I
honestly will not stand for this, but the target Cliff it's
it's it's it's it's one of the greatest bits of all time, but
it. Wasn't a bit.
Where where I I'm? Just looking at the target clip
and like the just buckets of receivers who've hit it, 150 is
way too low. You're going to need to set up
Jarrett Wilson has hit this target like we're we need.
171717170. All right, still a lot of guys.
It's still a lot of guys. Here's Hey, Karen.
Wilson's already hitting the target next year.
Man Karen Wilson's hit the. Clip if Cooper cup was 32 or 33
or if he had not literally like missed like gone on IR and not
not come back and then immediately changed Bukanakuas
targets per route run yards per route run stats.
I I'd be more in on this. I think this is kind of it's
kind of the key to an Allen argument, except the cup was way
better to begin with. Like Cup at his peak, at the
most PPR points any player's ever had in a season.
More. More than Calvin Johnson, more
than Randy Moss. Like.
Isn't it like the? He's already two and he said.
Isn't it the ultimate? Yard seasons like he's just I I
just don't. This is not a guy I see like
turning back the clock. I also I just think that looking
at like a player's peak season and then treating that as
they're they're sealing out come two years later is just like, I
don't know. I feel like we always rag on rag
on people. This is Sam this.
Is Sam Sherman logic, though? You're not drafting him there.
He's the wide receiver. 19 the other.
Thing, yeah, but the other thing, these, these are the
guys. He's going ahead of now.
He's going ahead of Leak Neighbors Brandon Iuke, Devonta
Smith, DK Metcalf, DJ Moore, Tank Del Stefan Diggs Like I, I,
I. Couldn't wind Horse any harder
right now? So last season is doing a lot of
work here with this argument because The thing is like, do we
not care that the season after he hit the target Cliff, the
season where he was ineffective now because his legs are gone
because he hit the target Cliff the year before he had 22.6 PPR
points per game. That doesn't matter.
I think that matters, guys. He was still really good.
He was still really. Irreversible, but that's still.
That's still. Two years ago and he played
what, like six games that season?
You think he played nine games? Yeah, they can't reverse it.
They just they tried. Nine games, it's not nothing.
It's a it's a medical condition. They tend to.
It's an irreversible decline. I did, to be honest, I wasn't
factoring in enough that he's an irreversible decline.
That's. True.
Listen, I will the only thing I will seriously say about the
yards per outrun, it's been like over half a yard each the past
two years. But.
Pat, he was at 3.12. I know just, I know just your
baseline expectation would be regression like not, not based
on talent, not based on falling off or age or anything, just
based on it is it's extremely difficult to keep that up.
It'd be one thing if he was just like normal age regressing.
He's also injury regressing. I just don't, I don't think like
you don't get that back. What what he lost with those
injuries. I think like, I just think you
don't get that back. He could.
I think he could get back to 2.4 which is where he was the.
Year ago, really late in stage. Cooper Cup be really high.
He's already said it's his last season.
But OK, two. .4 would be really high 2.4.
Would be that might be that might be bullish though, if he
did, if he did say it was his last season, the retirement
tour, he just leaves it all out there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, like basically him and
Stafford are saying this is it, You know, this is a real
Expendables thing, like one last one last job.
David Ortiz. It's a good moment to hit an
hour 30 into the show. Is that Super Cup retiring?
Would actually be bullish. Nothing, nothing anyone could
say it's the same thing with Devante Adams.
Like they could have a broomstick playing quarterback
and I'd be like, I'm not not playing that.
Like I just some taking these. Hang on, I do want to just note
that Devante Adams, he hit 168 targets in 2022, thankfully
coming just under the target Cliff.
Just under the Cliff. He was good now last year.
Great season, but I hate to report there's 171 targets over
the Cliff. Over done.
Now he's done. That was a real Jerry Seinfeld
ass voice, Kurt. Listen to Kyle.
He's over the Cliff. He's over the Cliff.
Those two.
Extra targets. He just had to give him those
two extra targets in the EKT and huh and get him.
It's brutal, man. It's brutal.
I don't know. Was it worth it?
Was it worth it to take him over the Cliff?
I don't think so. I don't think it was come.
On it was not anyway, Cooper Cup sucks yeah he's.
Terrible. All right, moving on.
Moving on to the the Fallers, at the hour 30 mark, Marshawn
Lloyd's down 18 spots to the pick 164.
Yeah, this is obviously due to injury.
I think some concerns that AJ Dillon might have been ahead of
him even pre injury. Start with you Davis.
Is Marshawn Lloyd still in your player pool with all this
uncertainty around his? Well, famously I took Ricky
Pierce all over him in our main event like four days ago and I
said it's sick because we're going to cut either one of them
after week 1, so at least we'll be cutting a wide receiver
instead of running back. Honestly, I moved him way down
on my rankings for a combo reasons.
I think he's now firmly in the so it's like the argument that
obviously a bag defender would make was Devin a chain was a he
was a healthy scratch week one. He had one he had one carry for
four yards in week two. I mean, one, I don't think I
think Boyd is like far outside that type of player.
The other thing would be he was not exactly lighting up training
camp before it was the coaches were like, you know, he can't
stop fumbling. He is missing these pass blocks.
It's like he played six snaps on Family Night.
Famously the same number as Dantavian Wicks.
I I think I would rather take Braylon Allen.
I would rather take Bucky Irving.
I would rather take Ray Davis. I would rather take Julio
McLaughlin. I'd rather take Julio Wright.
So every time I'm in a position to select Marshawn Lloyd, I have
a player ranked higher than him and there's enough now I I'm not
trying to be too weak one brained.
I think there's still a very clear range of outcomes for him.
You're you're making a very clear bet.
It's just that the waters are so muddied now and I don't even
have to have weak one brain with Braylon Allen.
I'm like, no, but Marshawn Lloyd is Britain.
Allen is already what I want Marshawn Lloyd to be.
He, he's all he's already the running back.
I just, I mean, he's already the running back.
Ray Davis is already the running back too.
I don't have I don't have to. There's no projection that
already happened. Yeah, Ray Davis is honestly a
really good comp because like, or a comparison because like
part of the appeal with Marshawn Lloyd is that he's he's not
Braylon Allen. He's going to have a role, he's
going to be a part of a committee.
So we're going to get he's more in the Ty Chandler mold where
like there's going to be some spike weeks that we're going to
get. He's going to score some
touchdowns. He's going to hit your line up
occasionally in the early part of the season.
And then he also has a lot of contingent value.
But like, yeah, I have Ray Davis way ahead of him now because Ray
Davis looks like he's taking over for Ty Johnson as a is
running back to where he's in the process of doing that and
his, you know, gotten pretty good reports.
Lloyd. I don't know.
I mean, he could be the running back two or, you know, like a
rotational guy over the course of the year.
But the the odds seem to have gone down.
I still think I'd rather have him than like Bucky Irving, but
I haven't like I took on Antonio Gibson over him today.
That seems bad. That's pretty embarrassed.
There's that look. I mean it's.
Bad. It's bad for Lloyd, but Gibson.
I'm just saying dude, if the may thing happens.
Yeah, Grain was just doing that to set up a Drake May 18th round
pick. Well, no, there's been a little
bit of there's already. Sam, have you heard, have you
heard this, this chatter that that Gibson might be the better
stylistic fit for this Alex Van Pelt?
Sorry, Andy just roasted me this Kare.
Know that comp is short for comparison.
This is this is crazy, this is crazy.
But I googled it and it's true. Antonio Gibson is younger than
Romandre. Wow, that's bleak.
That's real, real bleak. Yeah, with Lloyd, I think that.
So the thing I'm trying to figure out with Lloyd, is it
good for him or bad for him that AJ Dillon, in a very similar
situation, was red shirted as a rookie?
Because this competition. Is now AJ.
Dillon the the analog, by the way, was week 16, then what is
week 17 now? AJ Dillon had, I believe the
fourth highest scoring game any running back had the entire
season that week against the Titans.
So don't don't draw the. There was the snow game, you
know, it's like. Was that not a a game where
they're arresting all their starters?
I don't remember. I honestly it's been so long
I've I've lost the context to what happened.
I just. Remember it snowed.
Yeah, yeah, I do remember. It's not.
I remember he looked really good in that game.
But anyways, I was just trying to figure out like we do have a
precedent of Lafleur just completely icing a Day 2 rookie
running back. Maybe his system is more complex
to pick up. I don't know what it is.
I still think like, you can't say that that's that bad for
Lloyd because Dylan was. Dylan's there.
He's. There Dylan was the one.
He was bad enough to not play. And this is competition.
So it kind of has twisted my brain into a circle.
Yeah. I don't know.
I don't have a hot take at 164 ADP.
This seems like the right reaction.
What is the problem with Lloyd is his career ceiling kind of
seems like committee member, like the Lightning member of a
committee. And it's like the fact that he's
like not living up to like, like, we just want you to be a
bit player, man. We just want you to be a role
player. The fact that he's like
struggling to be a role player. Well, to the to the red shirt
thing, I mean his he his like prospect profile definitely gave
me some Ronald Jones vibes. Like he's explosive.
Not that reliable though. And you know Ronald Jones,
really the reason I got so in on Ronald Jones is that he got
completely red shirted like as red shirted as a guy ever has in
the second round. And then he was written off and
basically it was like he he's complete dust.
No one can ever draft him and that's when I got Ronald Jones
built. But I could see the same thing
happening to Lloyd honestly, like it it is possible it's a
risk. It's just that man it it would
be. I would be still a bit surprised
though, given it's AJ Dillon and we know this team likes to use a
committee. So like Lloyd really has to be
bad, I think for this not to work out.
And that's kind of where I'd go to like the being the bare, like
barely being right idea of like what has to happen for this
player not to get a shot at some point this season is that he has
to be bad. Like I mean, Lloyd's like
mediocre. He still probably gets on the
field at some point. So I am I am interested in
mixing him in still at the reduced price.
I am as well. Let's move on here to another
rookie running back. Kamani Vidal, this is.
Alan Jobert, though, yeah, he's going to be on the risers next
week. On Jobert I, I already have the
graphic ready for that one, Davis.
He's definitely going to be back next week.
Yeah, it, it was so Jobert. And then it it got Barack really
quick after he. Got Barack on like three runs
where it's just like, obviously. You know why?
Because that's what it takes. We need three good runs in this
backfield like it's it's dire. Yeah, yeah.
At no point did you ever be behind Jared Patterson if it's
not Joe. No, people forget Jared
Patterson was like. Kind of.
I know that he's. Kind of an interesting.
Prospect he was he was like the smallest guy in the history of
the NFL and it just didn't work and it doesn't matter even if
you immediately. Have you heard of Juice von Pat?
I believe. Me watching, watching Juice Von
try and pass block for Trey Lance was like, it's like, this
is I probably wanted this at some point in my life.
Like probably at some point in my life.
I was like, that's the an ideal of an enemy and saw it happen in
a real game and I was like, maybe coaches do no more than
me. It doesn't matter if you jump
Jared Patterson literally the following day.
If you fall behind Jared Patterson in 2024 for even one
day, it's Jover and it'll you'll never.
Be Here's the thing. He never.
Was. This this was just Daniel.
What about Isaiah Spiller? Can you fall behind Isaiah
Spiller for one day? No.
No, no, you can't. You can't.
No, no. Absolutely.
Not it's even more Joker. It is, yeah.
It's Joker I. Hate.
No, I moved him. I moved him back up my rankings.
I'm I'm drafting Videl again. I will.
I don't understand why he would be behind like, like the failure
of imagination from the Chargers coaching staff.
It's like just like. Draft like he's banged up day
three guy you know they that's true.
They're like can we count on this guy like that's fair.
Jared Patterson does a you know he's like one of these guys were
like you throw them out there he's not going to you know he
can probably he could probably pass protect for Trey Lance too.
You know I. Don't know Deus spawn man.
I did keep him. I could have cut him.
I'm keeping him like a few more weeks.
You know who's going to be it? I think I might have kept
Robinson over him. Probably would have kept Debarky
Robinson. I have some near snappers I.
Have did you, did you not watch this game on Saturday night?
Probably not. You're probably with your loved
ones or something. But, but, but I mean, Deus Von,
he is like literally if he was 5-10, he would be Saquon
Barkley. I mean, he's, it's unbelievable.
He was 5/8. He would be Saquon Barkley.
He, he just. Can't you guys realized you're
wishing that Deus Von was as big as Greg Dorch?
That's if only he was as big as Greg Dorch, she'd be a star.
He's so small. Like he, it's, it's, it would
literally be like me trying to play in an NFL game.
Like it's just, it's unbelievable how small he is.
It's crazy. DJ Shark did just get injured at
practice, so I hope that you guys are ready for Brendan Rice
on the Razor next week. I was already pretty in on
Brendan Rice over the last couple days with, given this pre
season usage, pretty pretty. Intriguing it does.
Interesting. Pat, has any player ever run the
Jover Sprint faster than Quinton Johnston?
Like can you, you've been, you've been doing NFL for a long
time. Can you name one guy who is
speed ran Jover faster? No, but he might be Barack, He
might be Barack. He's climbing again, He's been
climbing again. And I know I wanted him really
bad to be so Barack. Did you see the highlight, the
preseason highlight of him jumping like 10 yards into the
air? It wasn't a catch, but do you
know what I'm talking about? That was that was insane.
Yeah, no one ever said he couldn't jump.
We already knew that. His first preseason target was
an immediate drop. Immediately.
Like just. I did see that.
I did see that one. I I realized the issue is that
he has to be facing the quarterback to catch the ball.
Like, it's got to be like, you're playing catch in the
backyard. If he does that, what NFL route
calls for that? Like, almost none, right?
There's. A few routes.
Usually four or five yards. If you're running.
If you're running hook. Like I guess if you're running
hooks, what how many? It just feels.
Sit down and find a soft spot in the zone.
You watch Travis Kelsey. That's like half his game.
That's true. He's the next.
Travis, that is the best that we can hope for for the.
Screen screen kind. Of I guess he could, he could
run a lot of screens. He could run a lot of screens or
just like all 7 yard crossers. In I think you know depending
some option routes call for that.
I mean, I'm telling you, dude, his shoulders have to be like
square to the quarterback. Like it's so bad.
That's terrible. All right, let's let's move on
here to the Rogers and Fallers. It's like a.
Hip flexor, by the way, for shark, so.
So maybe not to the mean for rice, yeah.
It could be I'm ready. I'm ready to call it.
I'm ready. This is like this is I'm, I'm
the judge in Maricopa County. I'm ready to call it.
We're, it's, it's I'm I'm ruling in favor of Brendan Rice.
They're just hiding Quinton Johnston, by the way.
They're just hiding him for Week 1.
Harbaugh has never unseen the national semifinal performance.
Today, that's true. It's if that game never
happened, I would have not taken Quinton Johnston once the whole
offseason. But just knowing that that was
in the back of mine for. The Chargers wouldn't have taken
him once in the first. Round.
No, that's also true. Sorry, Sam, I'm stepping on you.
No, no, you're good. All right, let's let's get to
Rogers or the the CLV closing line value Rogers game.
I'll kick it to Pat first to give his pick as the guest.
I. Was trying to think of like
who's the dumbest riser I could think of.
I've got a pretty dumb one. You're not going to be the
dumbness of mine. No I know and then this group no
like mine will be by far the least dumb but.
Thanks man. We.
Mentioned the minds eye and my minds eye.
Dylan Laub season is all the way back on because it's never been
more over. Never been more over for Zamir
White. It's truly never been more over
for anyone. That is for Alexander Madison
and I. I think Dylan Laub is is the
Zamir White justified slander continues.
OK, can I can I buzz this real quick?
Yes, please. First off, the reason why Zamir
White played in the second-half was because they wanted him to
play with AOC again. It's still not great.
No, it's still not great. There's no, it's the classic
like there's excuses for it, but you don't, you don't need these
excuses if you're not. But I I actually, I actually
need to fund FUD, my close personal friend Dylan Lauby,
which is that First off, he is my friend.
I've been and, and I'm really rooting for him.
Like literally I'm at the bar watching this Raiders game and I
was telling my wife I was like, this is my friend.
Like he's on the field right now.
Like I know him. And the first thing he does is
immediately gets AOC blown up. Like he like whips on a like
just immediately gets AOC blown up.
And he did it in the first preseason game too.
He he, he read the the block the wrong way and went to the
outside of the tackle instead of inside.
He learned. His lesson?
I did. I don't think he did.
I don't. I don't.
The reason that people allow me is a riser is just because Pete,
you didn't need to give people a reason to doubt Zamir White.
That's true. Now they have the reason and I'm
not saying it's right. Zamir White was a classic.
Like give me one reason to doubt Zamir White and I will do it.
Here's a gal brain take the Raiders, the Raiders running
back that you want. Semaj P Ryan.
There we go. That's a good one.
Well, I picked him as a as a Roger a couple weeks ago.
I think so. You did.
You did, and it's going to happen.
It's going to happen. Roster Cups for next.
Tuesday. So then, then, then he's going
right up. Davis, you have a Roger.
Yeah, it's JK Dobbins. JK Dobbins.
I predict by the time basketball mania closes, we'll have flipped
Gus Edwards entirely. Whoa.
I I. Drives.
It doesn't already, to be honest.
It's because it's, it's this ADP anchoring effect where we've all
been drafting since fucking February and we're just like,
you know, it's I can't reach on, can't take JK Dobbins in the
10th round because I took him in the 16th round and the little
board two returns, you know, But it's pretty clear what the
Chargers plan is. JK Dobbins is a starting running
back until one of his legs gives out.
There's just no ifs, ands or buts about it.
And it feels like I'm taking crazy pills because I just
thought the whole time he was, he was just not going to be
healthy. Like I thought he was on the
chub pattern where it's like they were just going to be on
pop and we were never going to see him.
I don't know how it's not dictating he's.
Just there he's. Just been there since literally
day one. He's literally day one.
He's totally fine, man. Did he actually get hurt?
I know it is insane. He's just been totally fine.
Yeah, JK Dobbins is my riser. All right, Cran.
Have I taken Drake May yet? There's no way to know,
honestly. Yeah, there is.
I'll take Drake May if I, if I assuming I haven't taken, I'll
go ahead and and take Drake May because look, guys, they, they
Jacoby Brissett has apparently been horrendous all summer.
They can't, they can't stand it. They can't protect him.
They can't protect anybody, but it's a little easier to protect
a mobile quarterback, a guy you can call designed runs for you
can build that into the, OR a guy who.
Just at least throws the ball eventually.
Throws the ball eventually he's well he he's willing to just
like sling it see what happens that's I think going to be
appealing enough to get him on the field pretty soon.
I still think percent starts week one, but This is why I'm
taking him as the the CLV guy because like, if it's not, if
percent loses this job, which is possible, then Drake May is
going to be a big old, big old riser.
Week one started Drake may. I mean, we're, we're talking
about him, you know, going jumping like 6-7 rounds in, in
price. How is Greg Dort still on the
wide receiver 79? By the way, I.
Mean he should be like the wide receiver 47.
But I'm just shocked that he's not, to be honest.
I'm the way he hasn't already been totally sicko pilled and
like the like the wide receiver 58.
At least I should have said Greg Dortch, because there's going to
be more Greg Dorch gifts where that came from.
You better believe it, brother. The chats, man that I picked man
because I've talked about him. But guess what?
He's having a good, he's having a good preseason.
I'm taking him. I'm taking him in the 15th round
now just for like the optionality.
What? Do you mean the optionality?
So like if you take so you just. Don't get sniped.
You can decide. Well, you can decide.
Do I want Gibson, Do I want Henry?
Do I want Jake Osbourne and Bourne?
Do I want to take Baker and Bourne like you just you just
have more because I'm in all these slow drafts right now.
So I, I just like having and I'm like, well, what if I don't get
him? That seems bad.
So I just want to get him. If I already told you they give
me the better of the 280P prices, that's that's what I'm
asking. You're just, you're going to
have to take both. I'm sorry.
All right, I'll take this is one I don't really want to happen,
but I think probably will Khalil Shakur, Curtis Samuels week to
week with this toe, with this toe injury.
And yeah, MBS is out for several weeks.
I think that the Keon Coleman preseason film takes have not
been very kind. So basically, like all these
other wide receivers are losing in Buffalo, and I think Shakur
is going to be the guy that people feel comfortable with.
The Josh Allen drafter is probably going to reach a round
or two on him in the next couple weeks to make sure they get him.
So yeah, I haven't taken a lot of Shakur, but I think he just
rises with this news. That's way too sensible.
Yeah, that was really good. Yeah, I almost said.
I'm a bummer actually. But I realized that would have
been way worse. Yeah.
All right. Well, thanks, Pat, for joining
us. Why don't you tell the people
about what's going on at Rotoworlds?
Drafts. So plenty.
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I'm just trying to rank the offensive environments.
I did the same thing last summer.
I'm ranking the offensive environments.
It's kind of like for tie breaking purposes.
You know, this is of course, this isn't for people who have
been drafting for nine months. If people logging back on like,
listen, you're on the clock. You need a tiebreaker.
I'm ranking the offensive environments does include a dark
horse for each team. Really, really praying that
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Awesome. Davis, I saw you came out with
some ranks today. Is that right?
Or at least? Yeah, I did my redraft here.
So everyone who's doing their home leagues and their high
stakes stuff, I just was like, no more of this.
We know these boomer sites don't let you upload your CSV, so I
just did the full these are where to take guys and avoid the
bad picks thing. And then I'm going to try and
stream every day until the season starts.
I did a big dog this morning with Herzig where Herzig just
happened to be in the draft. So I was like, you just want to
hop in and we can draft against each other.
And I got sniped on savior worthy.
Pretty felt like getting shot, so I got that going on.
Do we? Get the clip.
Do we have the clip of the mini men?
I think we did get that. One we need to get that we need
to tell Zach to get the mini men yeah clip going and then I'm
streaming tomorrow 12 to four actually Sam or Pat if either of
you guys want an hour cheers. I got Draft cheat and Daigle
coming on. I got two more hours to fill.
After that, I would love to, but I am streaming essentially all
day for the as we continue to bank content for the Rotor World
Draft Day Marathon on Thursday, August 20.
First got to bank the content. Banking so so so much content.
So much content. Well, everyone finds all that
great content from Crane, Pat and Davis.
I will be back next week here on ADP Chasing.
I don't think we have a guest next week, but it might just be
the three of us. But anyways, thanks to everyone
for joining us in the chat. Thanks to Pat.
We'll see you guys next week.