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Its main event time guys. 
It is time to prepare for our 

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season long high-stakes leagues.
This is one of my favorite 

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shows. 
We do every year we bring in 

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Rota visit, Sean Siegel we pick 
his brain, we get to the bottom 

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of the 0r B targets, the current
drafting landscape, everything 

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you need to know, No, to be 
prepared for draft season, let's

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do it. 
Prior homos. 

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Anita handjob exercise for your 
Mar Chase. 

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The infamous line immortalized 
on stream, Sean re still 

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horrified every time, you 
remember that we got you to say 

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that, you know. 
Yes, we'll go ahead. 

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That's right. 
An all-time iconic moment that 

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will never come out of the intro
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Well Shawn, as I said in the 
intro, very excited to have you 

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here. 
I feel like every year, I 

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remember two years ago, I 
believe when you first The show 

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it was right. 
When you had just started doing 

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more content on the audio side 
and it felt like such a treat to

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get you away from, just the 
keyboard and hear your thoughts.

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And now, we're so blessed with 
you. 

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Do year round, you're doing all 
kinds of great stuff with column

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with been obviously still got 
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what does it feel like turning 
into more of a multimedia 

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fantasy football personality 
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Well, I guess I don't really 
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the things I'm not really 
getting Ding all that feedback. 

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But it's been an absolute blast 
doing all those shows of column 

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doing the show's over the last 
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I mean, they become my best 
friends and it's just an amazing

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it, there are a lot of listeners
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shows. 
We need that much Sean, so, but 

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I enjoy it. 
I love it every day. 

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So it's been a lot of fun for 
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And if people haven't checked 
out, you did a recent one with 

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column, where you it was more. 
You guys were taking some 

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questions from listeners and you
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starts in the industry and even 
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It even has a Champs superfan. 
I enjoyed just hearing what the 

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day-to-day imaginations of a 
Sean Siegel you know, workday 

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look like. 
So highly recommend everyone 

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checks out wrote of his 
overtime. 

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If you guys aren't listening, 
obviously stealing bananas as 

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well. 
Pat and then how are you guys 

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doing tonight? 
Doing good excited for this one,

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me too, I mean, this is one rod.
Like, I'm excited to see. 

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Sit back. 
You guys all get to hear from 

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you enough. 
I'm going to listen, you guys 

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chat with each other a little 
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This is a fun one for me. 
Obviously I do podcasting with 

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both of you both all three of 
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So this is great. 
Michael Doom, nurses. 

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Your next move is viral, 
Tick-Tock Stark it is that in 

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the cards. 
Sean You know, I don't know 

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column that seems like he's 
having so much fun. 

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Now putting together the sort of
the YouTube thumbnails or 

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whatever they're called and a 
handful of them have been pretty

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fun. 
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everything columns doing over 
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way, like things from Twitter 
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Get relayed to you, you know, 
like I assume, you know, someone

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sends out like a singing 
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it gets, you know, dropped off. 
At your doorstep. 

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If you're like, oh, another one 
to call them zany thumbnails. 

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This is a great film. 
Now puts it back in the mail, it

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says it back. 
Um, so how are you in general? 

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Just feeling about this season. 
I mean it seems like every year 

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that the trends are starting to 
skew closer to the kind of 

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things you were writing about 
five six years ago and even 

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looking at like, the first round
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many drafters are willing to 
pass on running backs to grab 

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those Elite wide receivers. 
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change right now? 
Or does it feel like business as

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usual? 
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so much good information out 
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Now I think you can't help but 
see drafts sort of move in a 

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more efficient Direction. 
Obviously ship chasing has been 

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just a massive influence on how 
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you obviously are among the very
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So it's going to push drafts in 
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We also have a situation where, 
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chasing the previous season 
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first round was fairly weak with
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first round has weak again at 
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to move this in a little bit 
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If in the past you were a little
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scoring. 
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and Chase and it just makes it a
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similar. 
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had Calvin Johnson and, you 
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best player at the scope 
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his scoring really matched up 
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wasn't as popular as it is now, 
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pretty easy version on thick. 
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I mean it's something I've been 
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we're in previous years. 
It did seem like the obvious 

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decision was just know. 
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best. 
Play the best pick at all of 

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these junctures. 
This year feels a little 

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trickier, like you kind of have 
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to get the pockets, meshing up, 
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as obvious as I feel like it was
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Good point. 
I think you're muted Pat, I'm 

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sorry. 
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just mentioning like, AJ, Brown 
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if he had stayed in Tennessee. 
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feature of like the early second
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paired with Tamar chase. 
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So there's like some some guys, 
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belong in that part of the draft
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early thirds. 
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These just kind of created this 
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situation where at the end of 
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board, you're staring down these
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running backs, aren't I? 
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pretty decent picture. 
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feel like in maybe four or five 
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be like the 102, you know, have 
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So it's like, okay well if he's 
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that's why I think the where the
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different to me as your you're 
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like running back running back 
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necessarily like at a huge 
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that are two or three or doing 
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receiver and they may in fact go
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receiver. 
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do. 
We've talked about this in small

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It definitely feels different 
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bringing up AJ, Brown is a great
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is really interesting. 
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for him. 
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good value where he's going for 
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both of our shows as about to 
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But also with Shawn since the 
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about how crazy this this off, 
season has been how crazy 22 is 

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going to be for Fantasy 
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How many huge players change? 
Teens, and franchises. 

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Whole identity is shifted, 
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Like the, the huge franchise 
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the biggest ones. 
Russell Wilson leaving, Seattle 

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and going to Denver and so many 
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Davante Adams. 
There's so many and those are 

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players that the skill players, 
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go in in this range. 
I think of, you know, a lot of 

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them to me just feels like we 
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that we feel really good about 
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We feel awesome about himself, 
Travis Kelce, we feel awesome 

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about but the rest of the league
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transition here. 20:22 feels 
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For the entire league in a way 
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and we have a month ago until 
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Yeah. 
I mean, even just if I mean, the

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entire offseason was littered 
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changing teams or getting 
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like the NFL in. 
These franchises started to view

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wide receivers in a different 
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And it's almost funny to think, 
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hey wide receivers changing 
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production decreased after that,
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Hopkins kind of buck that Trend.
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I'm how many do we have? 
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who have changed teams? 
It does seem like so much 

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uncertainty with Elite Talent, 
Sean, how are you kind of 

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handling that because I do think
AJ Brown in Tyree kill and even 

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Davante Adams. 
Like some of these guys are a 

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little bit they're less they 
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they would be if they were just 
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it right? 
Because the the more uncertainty

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you have the wider the range of 
outcomes especially for players 

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who could score a ton of points 
you could be the league winners 

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who could be the tournament 
winners the better prices you're

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going to get on them. 
The more opportunity you have to

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stack a lot of those guys 
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opportunity you have to be right
in a way where perhaps not 

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everybody in the community is 
and and it's just a lot of fun 

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because you know, you can go 
after your particular guys. 

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You can have takes that maybe 
you're a little bit stronger 

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than everybody. 
At the top, we're locked into 

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very clear-cut volume on the 
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not have that. 
I'm really excited for 2022. 

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Yeah. 
Terry kills a great example 

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because I mean if he was still 
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going head of Davante Adams, 
right? 

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So yes it's a huge discount, 
you're getting on him and then 

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debose another guy who comes to 
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situation still sort of knocking
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obviously Trail ants and the 
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And the quarterback change is 
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How often do you see a player 
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Like Depot and then they and the
team goes into Championship then

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they say oh but we're changing 
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yeah, that's like a different. 
That's a modern thing that 

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didn't used to happen in the NFL
10 years ago. 

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Yeah and how often you see a guy
like Debo have the season that 

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he did and then people are kind 
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fine. 
Yeah it and that was another 

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thing I want to ask you about 
Sean because another thing 

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that's been super fun. 
This year is You know, you've 

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done FPC, baseball stuff for a 
while but this year you really 

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have dove into the underdog 
streets as well. 

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And I know even early on and we 
get it around here to people get

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mad at us. 
When we're not just pissing 

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yellow rip in five straight wide
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You start with a couple running 
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I know a lot of Roto visitors 
were like, hey Shawn, why are 

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you doing all these hyper 
fragile Bill builds play the 

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hits? 
I mean will you talk about that 

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Dynamic? 
Do you think it has changed now 

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as we've gotten into August? 
How different are you 

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approaching things? 
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because you were really willing 
to stack, you know, some of 

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Yeah, I think that they're I 
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formats and ATP developments 
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it's comforting / encouraging 
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subscribing. 
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in the Of those guys are kind of
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regardless of what happens to 
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dogmatic approach and it's not 
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or that we're not looking for. 
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given year in any given format 
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not willing to provide Intel and
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the obviously, not, everybody 
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all the time this year. 
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where Drafters are very 
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zone for running backs and yet 
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have some potential break out 
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Hall and Dobbins and Acres. 
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on a team and especially I think
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Taylor and McCaffrey There are 
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where you then have an 
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doing that. 
Especially if you think that you

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Now, one of the things with a 0 
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don't ever give up on evaluating
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receivers. 
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about a lot and talked about 
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with the 0r B builds, you need 
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Not just established stars and 
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some players in the double-digit
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values at wide receiver. 
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dynamic. 
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than people think that it is and
obviously if you do an OT 

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listener the Agora ship chasing 
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You find out very quickly how 
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do like to have some of those 
draft. 

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I do like running backs, right? 
I mean, they're going to be some

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running backs who were just so 
much fun to root for if you have

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a format and an ATP environment 
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to those guys, then I'm not just
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development. 
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in the Apex experts league and I
did not draft a wide receiver 

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running back in the first nine 
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So, Still some extreme 0r B 
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There it is interesting because 
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The dead zone is like maybe a 
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Like I think, you know, three, 
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Tony Gibson. 
David Montgomery would probably 

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be going like around the head of
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a half but I feel like there's 
still a mean sometimes in these 

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Underdog drop some stuff they'll
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eighth round truly Out Of The 
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still generally hanging around 
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Joe Mixon still a feature of the
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like very 2019 to me. 
So it's like it things have 

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changed but they haven't changed
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Yeah, and that was one thing. 
I also had been feeling and I 

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think I brought this up on our 
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previous years. 
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everyone gobbles up, the running
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wide receivers down to the back 
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round. 
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about Sean, that was kind of 
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Was this idea of like you don't 
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watered-down version of the team
from the 101 slot and then push 

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really good wide receivers down 
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And I feel like the dynamic is 
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Went this year, were its flipped
where I'm like I'm sometimes 

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staring at CD lamb and I'm like,
I feel like I'm just drafting a 

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watered-down version of the 
money Jamar, Jason Cooper Cup 

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team and you know, because 
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about to add T Higgins, or Devo,
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so that that's why I've been 
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yeah, let's go for Swift. 
Let's go for Berkeley. 

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Let's find one of Pat's running 
backs that has legendary upside 

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in this range because that's the
only way I feel like I can 

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combat those teams. 
Do you, are you feeling that? 

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Dynamic. 
Yes. 

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And no for a long time I was and
that was another reason that was

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doing a lot of either anchor, 
R&B or hyper fragile. 

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I mean, especially when Barclays
price was just crazy. 

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Now there was a month there, I 
took Berkeley and basically 

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every draft because number one, 
you're thinking. 

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I mean he has that legendary 
upside and so you want that 

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player really at any price and 
then number two, you're thinking

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I'm just going to get so much 
more expensive. 

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If I'm going to buy them in a by
now because I even though I 

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think he's a good value at 203, 
I'm gonna be competing with a 

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lot of teams who took him with 
the 305 and so maybe from that 

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perspective. 
But again I mean you're going to

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get other pics. 
You can't simply stay away from 

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a guy because somebody else got 
into the better value but I have

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been coming around a little bit 
to the idea that A digs a little

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bit but Davante Adams he's a, 
he's a fun one because probably 

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he falls off quite a bit but one
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him so you could fall off quite 
a bit and still be a pretty good

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player at the ones who turn and 
then lamb. 

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Now with how things of really 
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don't do a lot of playing volume
at wide receiver, but if you do 

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think that there's a guy who has
star potential, and one of the 

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weird things about how, uh, 
season played out is it almost 

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seemed to go out of their way to
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So they could show that Amari 
Cooper is still a legitimate NFL

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player and they could do this. 
That nothing but paid off, they 

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get a sixth-round pick for I 
mean that was like what 

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happened? 
I remember with Des back in the 

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day, right? 
I remember having Dez Bryant on 

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my fantasy team and watch him 
and they just let him just be on

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an island the entire game and 
Tony Romo's not throat. 

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Oh, you're like, why are you not
getting this incredible? 

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Playmaker the ball. 
It did feel like that we see 

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limit. 
It's funny that I brought up the

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CD lamb example because I was 
trying to pull up the Apex 

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League Draft. 
You were just referencing here 

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where you did go full yellow 
here or I guess green on my 

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fantasy league. 
But you did do the lamb, Adam 

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but it seemed like you were 
completely willing. 

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Like, what, what made you pass 
on? 

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You know, a bar, clear Swift in 
this situation. 

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Whereas you might not in other 
draft rooms. 

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The funnier one is when we're 
doing a recording yesterday that

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maybe doesn't come out till 
later, but are maybe it was even

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on the recording. 
But he was talking about his 

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pick at 8 of to and use think of
the might have to take David 

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Montgomery and then he took 
Rondo. 

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Moreover, David So good. 
I mean, you can never live with 

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yourself if you took Stephen 
Montgomery over on, do more that

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we go, sir. 
Listen, I just to be clear 

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though, this, this leap is not 
have special teams touchdowns as

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far as murder. 
Yeah, so I mean I do wish that 

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deante Johnson, maybe wasn't the
311. 

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Although again, I mean his 
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pretty crazy. 
This draft has created a lot of 

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value at running back and so one
of the things that I wanted to 

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play was number one, I haven't 
had enough wide receiver 

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Firepower in this league because
of injuries the past several 

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years. 
I didn't want that to happen. 

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Again, number two, I was 
expecting the potential to get 

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players like etn Hall Dobbins at
good prices. 

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That didn't exactly work out the
way. 

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I was hoping Mike Brody, who 
runs Apex had the pick right 

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before me. 
He and I have similar boards. 

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He's dominated this league 
through the years and so I mean 

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obviously took the happens there
a spot before I would have taken

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him out of like had that. 
So a little bit of it was sort 

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of drafting back to front. 
Perhaps thought there were going

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to be some different players 
there. 

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But looking at it and this is 
one of the things that you see, 

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if you pull up the range of 
outcomes to lure you pull up the

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win, the flex tool, Obviously 
the range of outcomes has 

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historical matches. 
Gives you a sense of the range 

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of how those guys have done then
in yours after that. 

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The when the flex gives you 
implied points by ATP based on 

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historical outcomes, both of 
those would tell you that the 

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receivers there are still likely
to score more points. 

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And so from that perspective, 
and in part, because I just do 

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have a lot of Swift on. 
I have a lot of Berkeley from, 

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as the season has progressed. 
I wanted to go with lands flam. 

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Atoms, they're a little bit too 
in preparation, for some These 

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main events that are coming up 
because I think in the main 

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events it's going to make a lot 
of sense to have some of those 

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builds. 
And so you know it is always 

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helps to go through and draft 
some of those teams, see how you

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feel about them. 
Make sure that, you know how you

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want it to work out, you can 
make some changes before you 

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have two thousand dollar league 
for a million dollars and maybe 

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don't execute your draft the way
you want. 

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You think you're going to have a
lot of lambs app and lamb Adams.

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That gets back to Pete's 
question before about, you know,

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how to attack the end of the 
first round and well how do you 

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feel about that relative to cup 
Jefferson Chase, getting AJ 

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brown or whoever as their second
receiver? 

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It feels like those two 
receivers took again to Pete's 

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questions the physicals two 
receivers are gonna Crush 

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slamming atoms. 
I think it's likely. 

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And yet at the same time, one of
the things that I do like this 

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year that I don't think was the 
dynamic last year, even though 

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it worked out very positively. 
Because obviously Jonathan, 

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Taylor is in that range, you 
know, we had a lot of him, he 

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crushed, Christian McCaffrey 
gets hurt, and so suddenly, this

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huge Advantage for early 
drafters that appeared to be 

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there disappeared instantly and 
that's always a good sort of 

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reminder of how Dynamic these 
seasons are how chaotic they 

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are. 
You don't want to just assume 

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that things are going to happen 
and or that you know more than 

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you know when we obviously don't
know how the season is going to 

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progress for the exact reasons 
that you guys mentioned. 

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I think that we're moving in the
direction of those cup Jefferson

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Chase teams. 
Maybe not having quite the 

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advantage. 
It seems like because there are 

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some risks with Debo. 
Especially with Brandon, I you 

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could theoretically having just 
a spectacular There are risks. 

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I mean, there are risks with 
Tyree kill. 

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I really actually prefer to play
that through Jalen waddle 

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because of the discount. 
There are I mean I think you 

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have too drafty Higgins. 
I would draft him earlier, but 

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because of Chase there and 
because of boy, there you do 

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have some potential limitations 
and then AJ Brown, again here 

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this year, don't do it. 
We won't even mention a player, 

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but the other one. 
Well, do it Shawn. 

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As soon as it's Devonte, Smith 
gets back from this groin 

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injury. 
We're going to see I mean, who 

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the one a and who the one B is 
right? 

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Then dealing signals canceled. 
Can I Who obviously enough PC is

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not going to be on the back half
of this board, but you know, you

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look at FPC last year, he's like
the 102 103 and now he's the 

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106. 
I think Pete my and each of our 

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FTC preservers Joe's drafts, got
him at the 106. 

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And in, you know, Underdog kind 
of PPR drafts. 

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You are seeing Chelsea Kane in 
the 108 through like 110 type of

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range, maybe even a little 
later. 

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So I don't know, he feels like 
obviously, he's his eight out. 

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Dropped last year is efficiency 
dropped his 133. 

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So there's a lot of risk there, 
but I mean he has very little 

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tart competition. 
Potentially think there are 

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scenarios where the offense is 
just flowing through Travis 

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Kelce. 
The same time, you do get 

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sometimes pits coming back in 
the third sometimes kiddo falls 

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back, depending on where you 
are. 

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You know, you do have a shot at 
killing like the 107 108. 

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Eight in the fifth round. 
So and you can obviously get 

449
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:13,900
Waller if you like in the 
fourth. 

450
00:25:13,900 --> 00:25:17,500
So there's like a ton of other 
options at tight end but he I 

451
00:25:17,500 --> 00:25:18,800
think could be one of the hinge 
points. 

452
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:27,300
Yeah, then I started Stefon 
Diggs, Travis Kelce last night, 

453
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:32,300
drafted Kelsey at the 2003 and 
so he obviously is sliding in 

454
00:25:32,300 --> 00:25:37,200
some non-premium formats I guess
I'm looking at the other 

455
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,800
direction. 
This is probably due to Growing 

456
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,900
Up in Kansas City and being a 
pretty big cheese fan. 

457
00:25:44,900 --> 00:25:49,100
So every time that, you know, 
when the nvs is dominating OTAs 

458
00:25:49,100 --> 00:25:51,600
reports, you know, I'm Like well
they're going to have at least 

459
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:56,500
one guy when training camp 
starts and JuJu is like his 21 

460
00:25:56,500 --> 00:25:59,200
year old self. 
Like okay, we have two and then 

461
00:25:59,300 --> 00:26:04,000
Sky Moore is back from The 
injuries that limited a little 

462
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:08,100
bit in the offseason work and 
obviously if he's going to have 

463
00:26:08,500 --> 00:26:10,700
a ship chasing highlight. 
Now, you've got three. 

464
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,000
You have Nicole hardening who 
evidently is, still on the 

465
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,100
roster and made a big play, the 
other day, you've got four. 

466
00:26:16,100 --> 00:26:19,200
So I think there's more Target 
competition than there was in 

467
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,000
the past and protect perhaps 
substantially more. 

468
00:26:22,700 --> 00:26:25,300
At the same time I think Mark 
Andrews and Kyle pits are 

469
00:26:25,300 --> 00:26:30,100
unbelievable plays at tight end 
and so especially if you can 

470
00:26:30,100 --> 00:26:33,500
take one of the first rounders 
and then one of Two guys as 

471
00:26:33,500 --> 00:26:36,800
opposed to Kelsey and having 
drop down into round 2. 

472
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:41,600
I do like to play it that way. 
Yeah. 

473
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,700
Yeah, that make that make sense.
And we go ahead. 

474
00:26:45,700 --> 00:26:50,100
Ben, we were bombed. 
We took Kelsey at 203 and we're 

475
00:26:50,100 --> 00:26:55,200
happy to take it, but then our 
discussion was pits comes back. 

476
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,000
We're going to be annoyed and he
made it, he made it all the way 

477
00:26:57,008 --> 00:26:59,000
back to the end of the third. 
And whenever you that happens 

478
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,400
that happens a lot. 
Every time I'm in a draft and I 

479
00:27:02,408 --> 00:27:05,000
take Kelsey pitches there. 
And every time I don't take 

480
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,600
calcium is not there, it's so 
frustrating. 

481
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,200
But I think there was a period 
where I was taking a lot of 

482
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,800
Travis Kelsey. 
And I basically stopped because 

483
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,800
Pitts was so reliably falling to
the end of the third round and 

484
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:24,900
drafts that I was just going to 
wait for him and actually, you 

485
00:27:24,900 --> 00:27:27,400
know, the where Kittles going. 
I have probably a little less 

486
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,800
Mark Andrews than I'd like to 
because you're like at the, you 

487
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,900
know, the one of four something 
kiddos pretty safe to get back 

488
00:27:33,900 --> 00:27:37,700
to you at the 504. 
So he's another, I mean, there's

489
00:27:37,700 --> 00:27:41,800
lots of uncertainty in San 
Francisco and Competition there 

490
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,600
as well. 
But I mean fifth round Kittles 

491
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,000
hard for me to pass on shot. 
Had some good notes on. 

492
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:47,800
Got me a little more excited 
about Kettle. 

493
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,700
Your of quartered I think I 
mentioned already or maybe not 

494
00:27:50,700 --> 00:27:52,600
but we were going to three 
episodes of silly bananas 

495
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:57,000
yesterday or producer, cam 
Kelly's heading to the FF Expo. 

496
00:27:58,100 --> 00:28:00,200
So he got a bunch of stuff 
prepared for us. 

497
00:28:00,500 --> 00:28:03,900
One of them centered almost 
entirely on the font. 

498
00:28:03,900 --> 00:28:07,100
The top five tight ends, which I
think Chum, we both agree. 

499
00:28:07,100 --> 00:28:09,100
Right? 
Is just like, I think it's the 

500
00:28:09,100 --> 00:28:12,200
most like important. 
Part of drafts this year, I 

501
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,300
think it's like super, super 
important to get. 

502
00:28:15,300 --> 00:28:17,300
Right? 
And its super nuanced and 

503
00:28:17,300 --> 00:28:20,400
interesting and I've talked to a
few guys, Pat and Pete about 

504
00:28:23,500 --> 00:28:25,300
It's weird because they're at 
tight end. 

505
00:28:25,300 --> 00:28:26,600
There's not a lot of names 
there. 

506
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,400
The clear sort of like top, five
Elite ones, but they also 

507
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,700
stretch throughout different 
tiers of receiver. 

508
00:28:31,700 --> 00:28:34,600
And if you think of them, sort 
of, in those receiver tears, 

509
00:28:34,700 --> 00:28:36,400
they're all kind of in their own
tears. 

510
00:28:36,500 --> 00:28:39,400
I've gotten to the point where I
think pits and Andrews are sort 

511
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,600
of the same tier or like a half 
step down from Kelsey. 

512
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,200
I think it's like a full tear 
down to Waller and Kettle and I 

513
00:28:45,208 --> 00:28:48,700
was describing that as being 
sort of a half step apart. 

514
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,800
I think Shawn got me excited 
enough on kill to move him back,

515
00:28:52,300 --> 00:28:57,400
not I How you value those five 
because they do have different 

516
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,200
price points attached, as well 
as really going to determine 

517
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,500
whether you're willing to gamble
on waiting on Waller and Kittle,

518
00:29:04,100 --> 00:29:06,700
or even the decision we had last
night whether to take, you know,

519
00:29:06,700 --> 00:29:11,900
Kelsey at 203 or gamble on pits 
all but Elite tight end. 

520
00:29:11,900 --> 00:29:14,500
Seems super super important. 
This your son just said, like 

521
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,600
the top three for me for some 
people, it's more top 5, but 

522
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,900
those guys there's not much good
profiles at the position after 

523
00:29:22,900 --> 00:29:24,800
that. 
At this here, it's a thin it's a

524
00:29:24,808 --> 00:29:28,800
thin position profile wise, not 
just that it plays out then 

525
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,800
which it always kind of does. 
But there's just not a lot of 

526
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:36,000
white, frankly after the top 
five, what are your thoughts? 

527
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,000
Sean on and anyone who's been 
listening to stealing? 

528
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,300
Bananas knows how hyped you are 
on Kyle pits. 

529
00:29:43,300 --> 00:29:48,300
But let's talk about Waller and 
kittel because they seem there 

530
00:29:48,300 --> 00:29:51,800
seems to be like this conflict 
here of a lot of people like us 

531
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,200
really prefer the structural 
Edge. 

532
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,800
Having that Elite tight end. 
But there is somewhat of a 

533
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,200
discrepancy. 
I feel like in the atp's of 

534
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,400
kettle and Waller, and it's not 
just on Underdog, whereas Chris 

535
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,400
G points out in the chat kittel,
sometimes falls into the 60s 

536
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,800
which I've seen as well. 
It's also playing out to a 

537
00:30:06,808 --> 00:30:09,800
lesser extent on ffp, see where 
we were able to get Waller and 

538
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,900
one of our main events at 311, 
which seems like an absurd price

539
00:30:13,900 --> 00:30:18,200
tag for what he offers you. 
Like we go to 402 on the way 

540
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,300
back around. 
I think we took AJ Brown at the 

541
00:30:21,300 --> 00:30:26,300
311 and steal your wallet. 
Right there at the 402. 

542
00:30:26,300 --> 00:30:28,800
Yeah, I completely forgot on 
that Apex draft. 

543
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,300
We're talking about this to he 
got killed at 6:02. 

544
00:30:31,500 --> 00:30:34,800
I mean, why does look at the 
draft, but that's crazy. 

545
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,000
What do you make of that? 
Sean? 

546
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:40,300
Because to me specifically on 
Underdog to where, the way that 

547
00:30:40,300 --> 00:30:43,400
tournament is structured with 
those individual tournaments in 

548
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,700
week 15, 16 17, like the ceiling
that those guys offer you in the

549
00:30:46,700 --> 00:30:48,200
separation. 
I mean you can go look at 

550
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,100
Kittles game logs like the dude 
can put up 40 and just lap the 

551
00:30:52,100 --> 00:30:54,500
feel. 
But I guess maybe it's a little 

552
00:30:54,500 --> 00:30:57,500
bit of a different calculus in a
week 15 through 17 Sprint. 

553
00:30:57,500 --> 00:30:59,600
But I guess like, what are your 
thoughts on Waller? 

554
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,400
Kittle and why the market isn't?
Maybe valuing them quite as much

555
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,900
as we are. 
One of the things you talked 

556
00:31:05,900 --> 00:31:09,900
about the underdog tournament 
and how that plays out and just 

557
00:31:09,900 --> 00:31:12,700
how inexpensive, so many the 
tight ends are. 

558
00:31:12,700 --> 00:31:16,600
And so you do feel this push to 
wait, because you can get guys 

559
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,300
that you can talk yourself into 
a, not just one, but three, if 

560
00:31:19,300 --> 00:31:21,400
you want to play it that way, 
when there are a lot of bills, 

561
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,400
that really to tight end as much
much stronger. 

562
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,800
But if you're going to get three
guys, you like like deep into 

563
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,100
the double digit rounds, you're 
going to feel some push to do 

564
00:31:30,100 --> 00:31:33,800
that. 
And there is that pressure on 

565
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,300
Kelsey at his Nice to have, just
an absolutely Mammoth season. 

566
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,200
And yet, at the same time, one 
of the things that you see, is 

567
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,900
that he can have a very low at 
playoff Advance, rate, and still

568
00:31:42,900 --> 00:31:45,200
have a high semi-final, or final
Advanced rate. 

569
00:31:45,300 --> 00:31:48,400
Because he has one of those big 
games and everybody who stole 

570
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,000
left, who has him moves on. 
And so, from that perspective, 

571
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,100
you have a trump card. 
I mean, imagine a season in 

572
00:31:54,100 --> 00:31:56,900
which, you know, he actually 
does put up enough to have a 

573
00:31:56,900 --> 00:31:59,800
solid playoff Advance rate as 
well, and that's kind of what 

574
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,300
we're going for with a handful 
of these guys Waller is 

575
00:32:03,300 --> 00:32:08,700
interesting, because again, Just
have that huge uncertainty of 

576
00:32:08,700 --> 00:32:11,600
the new coach. 
And so I kind of wanted to ask 

577
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,200
you guys what you think and 
we've had some very conflicting 

578
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,500
reports about the Patriots on 
the one hand you here, okay. 

579
00:32:18,500 --> 00:32:21,600
The simpler more streamlined 
offense is helping these guys 

580
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,900
play faster. 
You have the reports that 

581
00:32:23,900 --> 00:32:26,400
they're getting just, you know, 
absolutely dominated by their 

582
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,200
defense which when their defense
is good. 

583
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,000
And so being dominated by the 
Patriots defense in practice is 

584
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,700
probably not as bad as being 
dominated by Some other ones but

585
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,700
I mean the Patriots could really
suffer from losing McDaniels at 

586
00:32:39,700 --> 00:32:41,500
the same time. 
I mean are the Raiders going to 

587
00:32:41,500 --> 00:32:48,100
be able to really execute his 
offense this year? 

588
00:32:48,100 --> 00:32:54,000
Or is it more a 2023? 
Target for those guys. 

589
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,800
But I mean, you hope it's not 
2023 because don't want to Adams

590
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,900
and Darren Waller are not spring
chickens. 

591
00:32:58,900 --> 00:33:04,000
I mean, they need to be good 
this year and so I think having 

592
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,500
Davante Adams there. 
I'm a pretty big Derek Carr, 

593
00:33:08,500 --> 00:33:10,000
believer. 
I don't think he's a superstar 

594
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,700
but I think he's an 
above-average QB. 

595
00:33:11,700 --> 00:33:14,800
I think if they want to attack 
and play through their better 

596
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,000
players as opposed to trying to 
show people that, oh we kind of 

597
00:33:18,008 --> 00:33:20,400
run out five, different running 
backs and have them all, touch 

598
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,500
the ball five times. 
And we can somehow move the ball

599
00:33:23,500 --> 00:33:26,100
down in three are chunks if they
go out and use their good 

600
00:33:26,100 --> 00:33:28,700
players, the fact that you had 
Davante Adams means that during 

601
00:33:28,700 --> 00:33:32,000
Waller should be completely 
uncover Ball by defense isn't so

602
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,200
you have the potential for some 
huge games. 

603
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:39,400
And again, just that potential. 
If you draft the rest of your 

604
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:45,000
team, well, enough to survive 
some Growing Pains or survive. 

605
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:50,100
The fact that you used in early 
pick on a tight end part of the 

606
00:33:50,100 --> 00:33:51,900
using the tight end is a belief 
in your ability. 

607
00:33:52,100 --> 00:33:54,400
Leti to execute the rest of the 
draft, right? 

608
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:59,000
But if you do that and then you 
have that powerful team and in 

609
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,800
the playoffs you get one of 
these big games from a waller or

610
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,100
a Kindle or app, it's a member 
of that group. 

611
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:11,000
You completely separated 
yourself from any team that went

612
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:16,400
with the three late Titans. 
My issue with the Raiders is 

613
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,100
offensive line. 
I feel like in terms of the 

614
00:34:19,100 --> 00:34:22,800
complexity offense like maybe 
maybe that could be an issue. 

615
00:34:23,100 --> 00:34:28,100
But, I mean car, this he had 
mastered Gruden's offense which 

616
00:34:28,100 --> 00:34:32,300
is like needlessly complex. 
So I feel like he's he's 

617
00:34:32,300 --> 00:34:35,199
probably capable of getting 
their commodity items, 

618
00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:39,100
obviously, isn't it? 
Just spider 2, y banana, just 

619
00:34:39,100 --> 00:34:42,900
call that repeatedly. 
It sounds like there's Maybe. 

620
00:34:43,100 --> 00:34:46,500
It more flexibility built into 
this offense, which is, which is

621
00:34:46,500 --> 00:34:49,400
nice. 
And then yeah, I mean Davante 

622
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,500
Adams, I feel like, you know, 
he's like super, super hard 

623
00:34:52,500 --> 00:34:56,000
working guy like, I feel like 
he'll be fine adapting to the 

624
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,700
new offense. 
Renfro's got the chemistry while

625
00:34:58,700 --> 00:35:01,600
he's got the chemistry already 
with car, but man that offensive

626
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,500
line, it was bad last year. 
It doesn't seem like there's 

627
00:35:05,500 --> 00:35:08,800
really like any paths to it, 
making a huge leap. 

628
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,100
And so that concerns me in terms
of the passing volume, like 

629
00:35:12,100 --> 00:35:13,500
good. 
Then just kind of Being more 

630
00:35:13,500 --> 00:35:17,600
conservative may be similar to 
some of the stuff we were seeing

631
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,800
last year at the Bangles where 
they just weren't opening it up 

632
00:35:21,900 --> 00:35:24,200
the way we wanted to. 
And it was getting very 

633
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,400
frustrated because you kind of 
see this offense is capable of a

634
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,400
lot more than obviously. 
You know, we did get that the 

635
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,700
very own the season but I guess 
that would be maybe the bigger 

636
00:35:32,700 --> 00:35:36,800
concern I have, then then then 
getting on the same page in the 

637
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:42,500
McDaniels offense. 
Yeah, but do you think Sean like

638
00:35:42,500 --> 00:35:45,300
our is it still your preference 
in Main Event? 

639
00:35:45,300 --> 00:35:47,700
Drafts football, guys. 
Drafts any of these tight end 

640
00:35:47,700 --> 00:35:52,300
premium to get one of those top 
five tight ends. 

641
00:35:52,300 --> 00:35:54,900
Or are you open to 
configurations? 

642
00:35:54,900 --> 00:35:56,800
Think there might be an 
opportunity cost at some of 

643
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,600
those spots and you're willing 
to play it through some of those

644
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,500
guys cheaper. 
Well let's try and make sure I 

645
00:36:03,500 --> 00:36:07,800
don't put myself into a position
where I feel like I have to take

646
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,000
a certain player. 
I have to use a certain build, I

647
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,500
mean, there are going to be some
circumstances that come up and I

648
00:36:14,500 --> 00:36:17,300
think that man killed both 
excites and scares me in that. 

649
00:36:18,900 --> 00:36:23,500
When you have three potentially 
lead pass, catchers in a offense

650
00:36:23,500 --> 00:36:27,400
that could be extremely low 
volume, and I just hate not 

651
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,100
being on Samuel or not being on 
Kindle. 

652
00:36:29,100 --> 00:36:30,300
And I've dropped a ton of 
Samuel. 

653
00:36:30,300 --> 00:36:33,300
Sounds like I'm not on him, but 
it really does force you to just

654
00:36:33,300 --> 00:36:37,400
move away from the risk, and 
look at someone like an IU. 

655
00:36:37,500 --> 00:36:40,800
If he's, you know, theoretically
developing because then you have

656
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:45,500
both the positive and you've 
minimized to risk that they just

657
00:36:45,500 --> 00:36:47,600
don't have the passing volume 
there. 

658
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,000
And if If it turns out that the 
passing volume is there or Lance

659
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:55,900
is just extremely efficient than
you win that way too because you

660
00:36:55,900 --> 00:37:00,800
know now you have both things. 
So so don't want to force myself

661
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,000
into it, but I don't think that 
we're in a position where 

662
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,800
Andrews and Pips prices in the 
other options. 

663
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,600
There may be. 
One of the things is that yeah, 

664
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,300
I mean Swift and Berkeley very 
compelling picks in round two 

665
00:37:13,500 --> 00:37:16,100
but other than them, I mean you 
don't have anybody you have to 

666
00:37:16,100 --> 00:37:18,800
get. 
And so you're just going to end 

667
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:23,600
up with a lot of Andrews and 
pits at the same time. 

668
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,200
No offense out there. 
Then knows that the Seahawks are

669
00:37:27,207 --> 00:37:28,600
going to take this big step. 
Lord. 

670
00:37:28,900 --> 00:37:37,400
And after Pat's guy has been 
the, I mean the player of the 

671
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:43,800
entire offseason, we're finally 
getting some Alberto reports and

672
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,400
the fact that the Broncos have 
now practiced and seen that he 

673
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:51,000
may be the best identical either
moving around because I got a 

674
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,100
clear the tight end spot for 
Greggy, dulcich. 

675
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,300
Well, let me let me try to nail 
you down on more specific Shawn 

676
00:37:57,300 --> 00:37:59,900
and I have pulled Up here. 
And this is an awesome tool on 

677
00:37:59,900 --> 00:38:01,900
road of, is, by the way, they 
just have this ATP. 

678
00:38:01,900 --> 00:38:04,900
Drafted, I obviously have it 
filtered two, main events, but 

679
00:38:04,900 --> 00:38:07,300
if you are preparing for these 
drafts, it's really nice to be 

680
00:38:07,300 --> 00:38:09,600
able to see these pockets of the
draft. 

681
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,300
And once, you know, your job 
drafts lat, you can really start

682
00:38:12,300 --> 00:38:14,500
to plan ahead. 
And I do think, you know, when 

683
00:38:14,500 --> 00:38:18,200
you're drafting from like six on
in the back half you can see 

684
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,900
here, it's actually a pretty 
sweet spot to have all these 

685
00:38:20,900 --> 00:38:23,100
different cracks at these tight 
ends. 

686
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,500
I actually think you could make 
a case that from the one and two

687
00:38:25,500 --> 00:38:27,700
spot. 
It's actually a little harder 

688
00:38:27,700 --> 00:38:29,400
because Kelsey's, not making it 
back to you. 

689
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,100
Mark Andrews isn't making it 
back to you. 

690
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:32,500
Pits isn't making it back to 
you. 

691
00:38:32,500 --> 00:38:33,700
And then you have to make the 
decision. 

692
00:38:33,700 --> 00:38:36,100
Do I reach for Waller here at 
31? 

693
00:38:36,100 --> 00:38:39,000
Because then Waller and Kettle 
aren't going to make it back and

694
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,900
outside of extreme examples. 
So like that would be a good 

695
00:38:41,900 --> 00:38:44,700
example here. 
Sean, if you're able to start, 

696
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,800
you know, with Christian 
McCaffrey T Higgins is like, 

697
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,500
Darren Waller priority at 32 or 
is this a spot where you are 

698
00:38:51,500 --> 00:38:54,300
letting him go knowing like, I'm
not going to get one of these 

699
00:38:54,300 --> 00:38:58,300
top five tight ends. 
Yeah, I think that you have to 

700
00:38:58,300 --> 00:39:01,700
strongly consider that 
certainly, if you are a big T, 

701
00:39:01,700 --> 00:39:07,300
Higgins, believer, then I think 
that you probably have to pass. 

702
00:39:07,700 --> 00:39:12,000
And thankfully there is this 
dynamic because otherwise 

703
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,800
someone with a top five pick, 
just how such a huge Edge 

704
00:39:15,900 --> 00:39:20,200
because you have five guys. 
And then, I mean, you have 

705
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:21,800
basically everybody else more or
less Council. 

706
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,100
The second round pick. 
So you're so far behind if you 

707
00:39:24,107 --> 00:39:27,100
don't have a top five pick this.
Tight end Dynamic does balance 

708
00:39:27,100 --> 00:39:31,300
that out. 
Yeah, I know we, I know we were 

709
00:39:31,300 --> 00:39:34,500
sweating in some drafts and in 
that same wall or draft, where 

710
00:39:34,500 --> 00:39:38,500
we got him at 402, kittel did 
slide far and we were sweating 

711
00:39:38,500 --> 00:39:41,300
bullets of the, you know, the 
101 team who had a nice build 

712
00:39:41,300 --> 00:39:45,300
going being able to get kid'll. 
It just seemed almost unfair at 

713
00:39:45,300 --> 00:39:47,900
that point. 
They're able to kind of add that

714
00:39:47,900 --> 00:39:51,000
that tight end piece there. 
And you can see the dynamic to 

715
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,900
there with it really pulling 
Dalton folds up because at the 

716
00:39:54,900 --> 00:39:57,500
if you have the one, two, three,
all of those teams are going to 

717
00:39:57,500 --> 00:40:01,100
be seriously considering Either 
end of the, for beginning of 5, 

718
00:40:01,100 --> 00:40:04,400
just to make sure they have 
somebody to try and compete with

719
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:08,000
those top guys. 
Where are you at on that next 

720
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,500
here? 
Because that's yeah to me the 

721
00:40:10,500 --> 00:40:13,900
way I'm handling it is I'm not 
taking I'm not taking much 

722
00:40:13,900 --> 00:40:17,400
Schultz, I'm not taking much TJ 
Hawkinson. 

723
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,500
How I know you like Sean, I take
some ghadir I don't take much to

724
00:40:21,500 --> 00:40:23,200
knock. 
So don't take really any Zach 

725
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:27,300
ertz so I'm kind of sitting out 
and then I actually don't love 

726
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,900
the next tier. 
Of guys either so part of the 

727
00:40:30,900 --> 00:40:33,900
reason I think I'm So Into the 
elite tight ends this year. 

728
00:40:33,900 --> 00:40:38,700
It's like, yeah, Irv Smith, you 
know, Pat fire moves, like these

729
00:40:38,700 --> 00:40:42,600
guys are interesting, but they 
don't feel like that much better

730
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,700
than Gerald Everett, or Noah 
fans, you know? 

731
00:40:45,700 --> 00:40:48,600
So, I just did that point. 
I feel like now, I'm paying like

732
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,700
a premium to pick pick a guy 
from the same. 

733
00:40:52,700 --> 00:40:55,000
Large tear. 
And I'd rather just wait again. 

734
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,900
So if I don't have an elite, 
identify myself, waiting a lot, 

735
00:40:57,900 --> 00:41:01,900
but I know, Oh you you probably 
feel more bullish on some of the

736
00:41:01,900 --> 00:41:06,700
guys, I mentioned, well, I do 
like Hawkinson and I'm always 

737
00:41:06,700 --> 00:41:09,200
trying to get then on board with
cherry goth. 

738
00:41:10,900 --> 00:41:13,200
But, yeah, I mean there's that's
an offense that I think is gonna

739
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,100
have a lot of Target pressure. 
I think that they have a lot of 

740
00:41:16,500 --> 00:41:19,000
weapons now. 
And so you look at Hawkinson 

741
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,200
that could help him, I always 
try and point out that last 

742
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,100
season. 
When his efficiency was not what

743
00:41:24,100 --> 00:41:27,500
you want from a guy, who's going
to be drafted as a borderline 

744
00:41:27,500 --> 00:41:29,800
Elite tight end, that's when 
he's being triple team and he's 

745
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,200
got two injuries, right? 
And so it doesn't really matter 

746
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,600
how good you are when you're 
dealing with that circumstance, 

747
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,100
here efficiency is going to be 
poor whether or not things. 

748
00:41:39,500 --> 00:41:41,700
Like shifts so far to the 
opposite end of the Spectrum. 

749
00:41:41,700 --> 00:41:45,000
In terms of the target pressure 
is kind of a different story. 

750
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,800
I think that you do have to then
wait and it's not that every 

751
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,600
season is going to be just like 
the last, but we do have quite a

752
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,900
bit of evidence that draft hers 
who missed the elite tight ends.

753
00:41:55,900 --> 00:42:00,800
And then Chase don't do well. 
And so once you get out of that 

754
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,000
top range, I think that you have
to prioritize players, like Cole

755
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:08,200
commit by Alberto, like, no 
offense, it doesn't seem like 

756
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,400
your elaborate is Generating any
can't Buzz, which is 

757
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:15,200
disappointing for me because I 
do have a lot of him, but he 

758
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,900
would be a possibility. 
And then I think that drafting 

759
00:42:17,900 --> 00:42:21,000
the rookies at the very end and 
just stashing them for a bit and

760
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,800
seeing how it plays out 
obviously. 

761
00:42:24,300 --> 00:42:26,800
Dosage. 
Now, a little bit of a pause 

762
00:42:26,900 --> 00:42:31,900
maybe in the buzz train McBride,
you're going to benefit because 

763
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,300
I don't believe that he's 
practicing a little bit of a 

764
00:42:35,300 --> 00:42:39,500
sore back. 
That kind of thing is a mild 

765
00:42:39,500 --> 00:42:42,200
concern. 
If you are actually some help 

766
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:43,800
putting yourself in a position 
where you would need to start 

767
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:44,900
them at the beginning of the 
year. 

768
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,700
But even though it can be 
frustrating, there is this 

769
00:42:48,700 --> 00:42:51,900
benefit to having some of your 
targets miss a little bit of 

770
00:42:51,900 --> 00:43:01,000
practice or not. 
Just be Like 75% of NFL players 

771
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,200
right now are having a fantastic
Camp. 

772
00:43:03,500 --> 00:43:06,000
If you can have some of your 
Targets in that 25%, that's not 

773
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,200
being talked about, you just get
a lot of their value. 

774
00:43:08,900 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaking of, where are you at on
trail and Burks? 

775
00:43:15,100 --> 00:43:18,800
Then tells me he's going to be 
an absolutely Gwen are going to 

776
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,100
easily lead the Titans night. 
It seemed like there were a 

777
00:43:21,107 --> 00:43:26,200
couple days in there where the 
beat writers and folks covering 

778
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,600
the team had gotten a lot more 
optimistic. 

779
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,500
And that's a very quick U-turn 
again. 

780
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,500
I think that that's great right 
because if you look at Berks as 

781
00:43:35,500 --> 00:43:39,400
a prospect, if you look at Berks
in terms of the opportunity, in 

782
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,500
this offense, he should be going
in the fifth round. 

783
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,900
The fact that he's much less 
expensive because he's having a 

784
00:43:46,908 --> 00:43:49,800
little bit of a slower start. 
This isn't anything like Jamar 

785
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,300
Chase having drops because he's 
not anything close to Jamar 

786
00:43:52,300 --> 00:43:56,200
Chase, but these rookie wide 
receivers and the way that this 

787
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,000
is developed over the last three
years. 

788
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,300
The impact the rookie. 
These are making if you could 

789
00:44:01,300 --> 00:44:05,500
have a guy who has a bad camp 
and is a big-time player that's 

790
00:44:05,500 --> 00:44:08,400
a gift. 
And I mean, you have to take 

791
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,100
advantage of at least some, 
right? 

792
00:44:10,100 --> 00:44:12,800
You have to put yourself in a 
position where you're drafting 

793
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,900
teams that can afford some of 
those misses. 

794
00:44:17,100 --> 00:44:19,600
Because if you're drafting teams
to where you can't take those 

795
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,900
risks, I mean, you're not going 
to win the whole thing. 

796
00:44:21,900 --> 00:44:23,200
It just, it just doesn't work 
that way. 

797
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,200
And that's that's something I've
been thinking about a lot to 

798
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:31,900
adjust atp's in All in how they 
are getting more efficient. 

799
00:44:31,900 --> 00:44:34,700
But the two ways that they're 
really efficient is one in 

800
00:44:34,700 --> 00:44:39,100
people's ability to kind of 
project season-long performance 

801
00:44:39,100 --> 00:44:43,100
over the cross over the course 
of 17 seasons and often waiting 

802
00:44:43,500 --> 00:44:46,400
beginning of season performance 
even more than end of season 

803
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,700
performance and then to 
news-based stop, like drafters 

804
00:44:49,700 --> 00:44:53,000
now are so plug. 
In there is no information Edge 

805
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,800
on any any of these drafters. 
All right, I actually disagree 

806
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:01,500
with that. 
I've been kind of, I've been 

807
00:45:01,500 --> 00:45:03,400
interested because there's been 
periods of the offseason warm 

808
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,700
like, oh, this is priced in. 
And then it turns out to have 

809
00:45:06,700 --> 00:45:09,200
not been priced in like Isaiah 
MacKenzie's, the one that comes 

810
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:14,400
to mind were like James crowd 
was going ahead of him in the 

811
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,600
12th round or whatever. 
Mackenzie the seventeenth 

812
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,000
eighteenth round pick. 
And Mackenzie was running with 

813
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,900
the starters, all of OTAs all 
minicamp. 

814
00:45:22,300 --> 00:45:25,600
And then finally, like it kind 
of cracked through, there was 

815
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,500
like enough of a blurb there was
like an informational shift. 

816
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,500
But I do think you can kind of 
how grind The public's like a 

817
00:45:31,508 --> 00:45:32,000
little bit. 
Yeah. 

818
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,700
But like that's I think that's 
splitting hairs to My overall 

819
00:45:34,700 --> 00:45:38,400
point of like you see a teepee 
move in conjunction with these 

820
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,400
news. 
Like you get those reports and 

821
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,800
that stuff, shifts accordingly, 
we can argue about it, being too

822
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,800
slow, like the same things going
to happen with JK Dobbins. 

823
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,100
Like JT a goblin should be a 
late fourth round pick right 

824
00:45:47,100 --> 00:45:48,600
now. 
It's going to take about seven 

825
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,100
or eight more days, but he'll 
get there. 

826
00:45:50,100 --> 00:45:54,500
But like my overall point was 
that, if you can have conviction

827
00:45:54,500 --> 00:45:56,500
and this is something I early 
on. 

828
00:45:56,500 --> 00:45:59,600
In the offseason, I was more 
Tethered to a ATP and didn't 

829
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:03,200
have quite as much conviction in
some of my player takes. 

830
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,200
And now though it does really 
seem like that is where you get 

831
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,500
the edge of where you are able 
to focus on that late-season 

832
00:46:09,500 --> 00:46:13,200
production and these profiles 
that actually have the chance to

833
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,900
cut through the noise of the 
current news cycle and median 

834
00:46:16,900 --> 00:46:20,300
season-long projections like is 
that where you feel and 

835
00:46:20,300 --> 00:46:22,500
obviously structure which we 
feel strongly about as well. 

836
00:46:22,500 --> 00:46:26,500
But to me that the betting on 
those profiles and kind of 

837
00:46:26,500 --> 00:46:28,700
sifting through that noise is 
really where the edges, right? 

838
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:37,500
Now. yeah, it it's especially 
strange I think when 2022 has 

839
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:44,300
had this sort of global shift 
otherwise, in terms of focusing,

840
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:51,700
You know, I would argue. 
Occasionally to the detriment of

841
00:46:51,700 --> 00:46:54,800
draft or certainly. 
And we will probably talk about 

842
00:46:54,800 --> 00:47:01,000
this later, but focusing so much
on week. 16 and 17 that you 

843
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:05,800
build teams that just over the 
course of the season your 

844
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,800
playoff Advance rate regardless 
of if you're in a redraft type 

845
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,000
of format or a best ball type of
format is going to be 

846
00:47:11,008 --> 00:47:15,800
dramatically lower than if you 
didn't have that in mind. 

847
00:47:16,700 --> 00:47:19,300
There are some elements of 
focusing on week 16 and week 17 

848
00:47:19,300 --> 00:47:20,800
that can give you a huge 
advantage. 

849
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,400
And so obviously you want to 
take those and and kind of 

850
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,000
walking that tightrope is 
tricky. 

851
00:47:26,300 --> 00:47:29,300
But the part that's not tricky 
is the fact that at the same 

852
00:47:29,300 --> 00:47:32,600
time that we're doing that, to 
be in this news environment 

853
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:37,900
where small developments in 
practice and not even the 

854
00:47:37,900 --> 00:47:45,900
developments but how they 
reported on move prices so much.

855
00:47:46,700 --> 00:47:50,500
The thing that we've been 
talking about for years now is 

856
00:47:50,500 --> 00:47:53,700
that if there's one thing you 
can do to make yourself better 

857
00:47:53,700 --> 00:47:58,500
at Fantasy Football, it's to try
and wipe from your mind week, 

858
00:47:58,500 --> 00:48:00,400
one workloads. 
Yeah. 

859
00:48:01,500 --> 00:48:04,300
And yet now it's driving prices 
even more. 

860
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:11,900
And so if you can somehow force 
yourself to, Not do that within 

861
00:48:11,900 --> 00:48:14,400
this news environment. 
I think you get number one, you 

862
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,100
get even better prices, but then
you're going to be on some, you 

863
00:48:17,107 --> 00:48:20,700
know, over all types of teams 
that not many other people are 

864
00:48:20,700 --> 00:48:22,700
on. 
And, you know, we're talking 

865
00:48:22,700 --> 00:48:26,600
about uniqueness and how 
important that is. 

866
00:48:27,300 --> 00:48:29,200
They're just so many different 
advantages, right? 

867
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:30,600
Because number one, you're 
building a better team. 

868
00:48:30,700 --> 00:48:31,600
Number two, You're Building A 
Team. 

869
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,100
A lot of other people are 
building. 

870
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:39,400
And so, Following the news is a 
real Adventure because you there

871
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,600
are things that happen in 
practice that you do want to 

872
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,500
know, when you do want to factor
into how you're thinking about 

873
00:48:44,500 --> 00:48:46,500
players. 
But it's important that it's not

874
00:48:46,500 --> 00:48:49,200
just week one or week to and 
that's one of the things that 

875
00:48:49,300 --> 00:48:52,600
has been fun about doing these 
drafts with Ben's that he is 

876
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:57,200
very willing to go after these 
guys that we like and not worry 

877
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,900
about what came out yesterday. 
About Trail on Burks, you know, 

878
00:48:59,900 --> 00:49:03,000
we still taken and you know, I 
think our teams are going to be 

879
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,500
better for that, maybe. 
We still take care of them 

880
00:49:05,500 --> 00:49:06,400
Burgers. 
Yeah. 

881
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,400
Yeah. 
That's I was think I had that 

882
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,200
thought the other day, too. 
And I was thinking about, it's 

883
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,700
like even if you concede that 
there are some actionable 

884
00:49:13,700 --> 00:49:17,300
nuggets Within These training 
camp preseason nuggets, all of 

885
00:49:17,300 --> 00:49:19,500
this stuff. 
Even if you concede, that those 

886
00:49:19,500 --> 00:49:22,700
are most actionable for the 
first few weeks of the season, 

887
00:49:22,900 --> 00:49:24,800
right? 
Like, even that information, if 

888
00:49:24,808 --> 00:49:28,400
it's gold, it's gold for the 
beginning of the Season where 

889
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,200
the team's intention start out, 
how they want to deploy those 

890
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,600
guys initially, it doesn't 
factor in the chaos of the In 

891
00:49:34,607 --> 00:49:37,500
the type of profiles that 
normally blow up, down the 

892
00:49:37,500 --> 00:49:40,400
stretch where we're all trying 
to optimize for, like, you can 

893
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,200
push it out Beyond week, 17, you
can push it out Beyond weeks, 15

894
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:44,900
through 17. 
You can even push it out to week

895
00:49:44,900 --> 00:49:48,400
10, but still, I care way more 
about week, 10 and on, then I do

896
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,200
week one. 
And that's like, where it really

897
00:49:50,300 --> 00:49:52,000
hits. 
You how much noise there is? 

898
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:53,600
Where? 
It's like, even if you're right,

899
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,200
you're right for the first half 
of the Season, most likely. 

900
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,900
Well, I mean, yes, there's 
momentum and inertia and maybe 

901
00:49:58,900 --> 00:50:02,800
guys hold roles throughout the 
whole season but it's not the 

902
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,300
information that's actually 
helping us. 

903
00:50:04,500 --> 00:50:08,300
When leaks, I think I hear 
exactly what you're saying and 

904
00:50:08,300 --> 00:50:10,700
that's a good point. 
I also think this is really in 

905
00:50:10,707 --> 00:50:13,800
your from the perspective of all
the changes I was talking about 

906
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,700
earlier and the whole offseason,
some of the news I'm really 

907
00:50:17,700 --> 00:50:20,400
interested in because we just 
have such unsettled teams and we

908
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,200
have kind of no idea what these 
teams are going to how they're 

909
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:24,800
going to look. 
And it's like, okay if we get 

910
00:50:24,900 --> 00:50:28,600
any kind of more actionable, 
guess or better guess or 

911
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,700
something. 
But it is tough because Sean 

912
00:50:30,700 --> 00:50:32,700
human saying, in a lot of our 
shows like seems like every 

913
00:50:32,700 --> 00:50:36,300
player in the league is The best
player on his team right now and

914
00:50:36,300 --> 00:50:40,900
so it's just everything except 
for Ronald Jones. 

915
00:50:40,900 --> 00:50:45,000
Except there's actually been 
some undercover bullish stuff on

916
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:46,800
Ronald Jones but the people 
won't report it. 

917
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:48,300
Ian Hart has had a good sweet 
today. 

918
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:52,000
Showing that there's a video of 
world Champs doing. 

919
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:55,500
Well, in past prone, I had like 
five years and there's a video 

920
00:50:55,500 --> 00:50:57,600
of Pacheco. 
Crushing pass pro at like 

921
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:02,300
100,000 slaves, you cause you 
shared the same same camera 

922
00:51:02,300 --> 00:51:04,100
angle. 
Same same. 

923
00:51:04,300 --> 00:51:07,000
We person tweeted both, right? 
Yeah. 

924
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,200
Things that go one went viral 
retweeted by the same account 

925
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,300
like is all. 
Yeah, one goes viral ones. 

926
00:51:12,300 --> 00:51:15,300
Like no one to say it but I did 
want to bring up break room 

927
00:51:15,300 --> 00:51:17,600
here. 
Brought up oh yes, show. 

928
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:22,800
This is funny for this is yes, 
the same one here, Ronald Jones,

929
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:30,300
6K views, CH 10K views, Isaiah 
Pacheco. 170,000, that's 

930
00:51:30,300 --> 00:51:33,600
incredible. 
But that is like the larger. 

931
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,700
I feel like that's A microcosm 
of the larger news environment 

932
00:51:36,700 --> 00:51:39,700
right now, where there's some 
stuff I really do feel like is 

933
00:51:39,700 --> 00:51:42,600
going under the radar break room
bring up Eno Benjamin. 

934
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,700
I feel like it's perfect, kind 
of Confluence of everything, 

935
00:51:44,700 --> 00:51:45,900
right? 
It's a profile. 

936
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,800
That relative is identified 
before he played in NFL, snap 

937
00:51:50,100 --> 00:51:52,200
and has been betting on this 
entire time. 

938
00:51:52,500 --> 00:51:56,300
The news is saying he's actually
the number two guy. 

939
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:01,400
And but it hasn't broken through
Darryl Williams is still going 

940
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,600
ahead of, you know, venturing 
and let's hope it doesn't open. 

941
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:08,800
Oh well, that report was also a 
reply to someone to that tweet 

942
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,300
that I shared with you like 
that, was it like full even 

943
00:52:11,300 --> 00:52:14,200
getting blasted everywhere? 
Has roto world run with that 

944
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,800
yet? 
I'm not sure we might need to. 

945
00:52:17,100 --> 00:52:18,700
I might need to dig around. 
I'm on shift tomorrow. 

946
00:52:18,700 --> 00:52:21,100
My need to dig around and blow 
up the, you know, it cleared 

947
00:52:21,100 --> 00:52:25,000
Reno and tonight guys because I 
might blow it up tomorrow, but I

948
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:26,900
mean there is nothing to what 
they're worth. 

949
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:28,600
With Row. 
Joe though is he's like I don't 

950
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:30,600
know why we're doing this drill 
when it's in the game I'm going 

951
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:37,000
to pick up the wrong. 
Guy shot. 

952
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,300
You have a different body bags. 
All of our favorite players. 

953
00:52:40,300 --> 00:52:45,100
That's what this young knows 
what's happening here. 

954
00:52:47,100 --> 00:52:49,500
We're trying to get Road showed 
around 60 by the end of the 

955
00:52:49,508 --> 00:52:52,200
month. 
Sean, do you have any cardinals 

956
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,800
until I feel like Cardinals are 
pretty underreported team there 

957
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:58,800
like like you know? 
Almost kind of like like a 

958
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,400
state-run government, the 
Cardinals. 

959
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,000
They don't have any like, 
independent reporters. 

960
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:04,600
I feel like the number-one beat,
right. 

961
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:08,500
I think works like for the team 
so it doesn't they don't feel 

962
00:53:08,500 --> 00:53:12,300
like they have this robust 
Independent News organization in

963
00:53:12,300 --> 00:53:17,000
the area, what's going on? 
Yeah, I don't know, but as you 

964
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:21,300
mentioned and as the listeners 
are mentioning with, he know I 

965
00:53:21,308 --> 00:53:26,500
drafted him in round 17 or 18 
every draft and then and I were 

966
00:53:26,500 --> 00:53:29,500
doing a draft. 
Point where we couldn't decide 

967
00:53:29,500 --> 00:53:31,500
on a player. 
And so, just like, you have to 

968
00:53:31,500 --> 00:53:33,500
draft, you know what, every 
draft will just take him around.

969
00:53:33,500 --> 00:53:38,600
16, this time and every draft 
Darryl Williams has been like 

970
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:42,300
three rounds earlier. 
And so every day I go and look 

971
00:53:42,300 --> 00:53:45,700
and try and figure out it's like
did something change in the last

972
00:53:45,700 --> 00:53:47,600
day? 
Is it a situation where, you 

973
00:53:47,607 --> 00:53:52,700
know, is not the clear cut back 
up with coaches and teammates 

974
00:53:52,700 --> 00:53:57,000
saying that he actually looks 
like he could be the starter 

975
00:53:57,100 --> 00:53:58,800
Her. 
And when you think about James 

976
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:00,300
Conner, he's a really cool guy, 
right? 

977
00:54:00,300 --> 00:54:03,900
He's high-value touch star. 
He is a good receiver. 

978
00:54:03,900 --> 00:54:06,300
Nobody makes one hand catches 
like, him with the running back 

979
00:54:06,300 --> 00:54:08,600
position, he's got a great nose 
for the goal line. 

980
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,900
He's been this guy who can have 
the really high Rush, EP receive

981
00:54:12,900 --> 00:54:16,300
EP levels. 
I think he's undervalued and 

982
00:54:16,300 --> 00:54:19,800
drafts. 
Well, yeah, last year, I mean, 

983
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:26,000
yeah, huge, so we love it right?
But I mean if you're going to go

984
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,500
watch them practice. 
It's side-by-side. 

985
00:54:28,500 --> 00:54:31,000
I mean, the team is watching, 
you know, Benjamin is through 

986
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,100
the line and 25 yards down the 
field. 

987
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:37,800
While James Conner is still like
You know, two yards and I'm 

988
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:39,200
still gonna be fine. 
That's what I'm going for. 

989
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,000
You been going to practices 
shot. 

990
00:54:41,500 --> 00:54:44,400
Are you an Arizona betray boots 
on the ground? 

991
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,600
If shot had a pen name and he 
writes for some paper called, 

992
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,900
like the Arizona Gazette and 
covers the tea like that 

993
00:54:49,900 --> 00:54:52,700
wouldn't surprise me at all. 
That would actually give him 

994
00:54:52,700 --> 00:54:55,200
Sean's reaction. 
I'm now convinced that is what's

995
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,500
going on. 
You're gonna have to convince 

996
00:54:58,500 --> 00:55:00,500
me. 
You're not a Cardinals Cannon, 

997
00:55:00,500 --> 00:55:02,400
household that Tweet back up is 
up. 

998
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,100
Yeah, a real person or is that 
how shots? 

999
00:55:04,100 --> 00:55:06,900
But don't wait a second. 
It is Blake. 

1000
00:55:06,900 --> 00:55:12,200
Allen Murphy actually shod 
seagull zoom in on the picture. 

1001
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,800
Oh yeah this is you do. 
This isn't even a this is a 

1002
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:16,000
caricature artist. 
It is. 

1003
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,100
Yeah, that's it. 
Got a caricature artist 

1004
00:55:18,100 --> 00:55:28,600
patients, all right, Josh also I
don't even know if this guy has 

1005
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,200
credentials either, we're taking
his tweet as gospel. 

1006
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:32,800
So there's that. 
But seriously Charles, where are

1007
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,200
you getting this? 
Intel on watching Dino Run to 

1008
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:36,900
Daylight That practice? 
No. 

1009
00:55:36,900 --> 00:55:41,400
I just They it's just dream not 
sure which one it is sometime 

1010
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,800
between midnight and feel like a
dog Shawn. 

1011
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:48,400
I felt like a little bit of a 
Dodge every article about, you 

1012
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:53,200
know, Benjamin features. 
Reference to the angry touchdown

1013
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:55,900
run, and I don't know. 
I'm just going back to last 

1014
00:55:55,900 --> 00:55:56,800
season. 
How good? 

1015
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,300
He looked? 
How good Chase Edmunds looked 

1016
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,200
and I mean, you never hope that 
anybody gets hurt. 

1017
00:56:02,300 --> 00:56:04,200
And it was, it was very 
unfortunate because Edmonds, was

1018
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:06,800
having a year, hopefully I'll 
have a good year with the 

1019
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,000
dolphins. 
But, you know, you watch the 

1020
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,200
first half of the season and 
you're like there's just no way 

1021
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:16,600
that Connor actually fights into
this because The difference in 

1022
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,900
speed and the a difference in 
explosiveness, through the line 

1023
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,300
was, like the biggest Gap in the
entire NFL, between two running 

1024
00:56:23,300 --> 00:56:26,500
backs on the same team. 
And so you look at that and you 

1025
00:56:26,500 --> 00:56:29,900
look at the Cardinals and how 
much value they create for the 

1026
00:56:29,900 --> 00:56:33,200
running back position. 
You have to have exposure, may 

1027
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,100
even if he falls into a 
situation where there is a 

1028
00:56:35,100 --> 00:56:37,900
committee with Williams, you 
know, something should happen to

1029
00:56:37,908 --> 00:56:39,400
Conner. 
I mean, those guys are in score 

1030
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:44,100
points. 
And I do think even like looking

1031
00:56:44,300 --> 00:56:47,900
at I mean, James Garner was good
all year and he was, you know, 

1032
00:56:47,900 --> 00:56:50,500
getting all those high-value 
touches but when he really 

1033
00:56:50,500 --> 00:56:52,900
started getting involved in the 
passing game was when Chase 

1034
00:56:52,900 --> 00:56:56,200
Edmunds went down and I feel 
like we see this play out. 

1035
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:57,600
A lot of times with 
organizations. 

1036
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:01,300
We're having that like one Bell 
cow back isn't actually exactly 

1037
00:57:01,300 --> 00:57:03,100
what they'd want to do in a 
perfect world. 

1038
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,300
But when push comes to shove in 
the Personnel, isn't there, they

1039
00:57:06,300 --> 00:57:09,000
are going to rely on the guy 
they trust the most, but if they

1040
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,400
cut it into the season with 
Newfound, Trust for, you know, 

1041
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,100
Benjamin which it sounds like, 
is there and they bring in 

1042
00:57:14,100 --> 00:57:18,200
Darrell Williams in free agency.
Like I think, hoping that James 

1043
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,200
Conner does just have the Bell 
cow role he had down. 

1044
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:23,200
The stretch is, is pretty naive.
And then I guess the question is

1045
00:57:23,300 --> 00:57:26,100
how much of that is already 
baked into his ATP base? 

1046
00:57:26,100 --> 00:57:28,600
When I'm on the clock, I'm only 
taking him a fraction of the 

1047
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:30,200
time. 
So I feel like it's still a 

1048
00:57:30,207 --> 00:57:33,600
touch too expensive for me but 
I'm with you. 

1049
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,600
Like now that we continue to get
this drum beat on E, know the 

1050
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,500
price gap between them is just 
so massive that it's almost 

1051
00:57:39,500 --> 00:57:42,800
impossible for Me to click James
Conner when you can play it in 

1052
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:47,300
that other direction and for 
anyone who thinks we've done 

1053
00:57:47,300 --> 00:57:48,900
this with, you know, for so 
long. 

1054
00:57:48,900 --> 00:57:50,900
Because you know, obviously we 
drop the, you know, the last 

1055
00:57:50,900 --> 00:57:53,600
couple years and that's I think 
one of the biggest pushbacks is 

1056
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:57,100
like, well, we've already been 
burned on, you know, multiple 

1057
00:57:57,100 --> 00:57:59,200
times. 
I mean he was a 21 year-old 

1058
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,400
rookie. 
He's only 23 now. 

1059
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:06,500
It's like Richard weitz 23, and 
he was a seventh-round pick who 

1060
00:58:06,500 --> 00:58:11,300
has made it through now. 
Three off seasons made You know,

1061
00:58:11,300 --> 00:58:13,700
made the team his first year 
made it through a second. 

1062
00:58:13,700 --> 00:58:16,200
Offseason made it through 
another offseason, as part of 

1063
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:17,700
the organization, they never 
caught him. 

1064
00:58:19,100 --> 00:58:22,000
Not all seventh, round picks. 
I mean, not all fifth round 

1065
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,100
picks, make it, make it to the 
third season on the same roster 

1066
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,800
that isn't in and of itself, I 
mean he did have the big draft, 

1067
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,000
they fall. 
Well, a lot of us a couple years

1068
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,500
ago were expecting him to go a 
lot higher, hoping he would go, 

1069
00:58:33,500 --> 00:58:35,700
you know, maybe even day to week
Falls all the way to round 

1070
00:58:35,700 --> 00:58:37,900
seven. 
It was a player Prospect. 

1071
00:58:37,900 --> 00:58:41,500
Why is everyone like But when 
you're a seventh-round pick in 

1072
00:58:41,500 --> 00:58:43,500
your, you know, you're sticking 
for three years. 

1073
00:58:43,500 --> 00:58:46,300
I think that is relevant enough 
in itself. 

1074
00:58:47,100 --> 00:58:49,500
Well, this is all tough piece 
stuff too, but you listened to 

1075
00:58:49,500 --> 00:58:53,500
his teammates and you hear them,
say things about how harder 

1076
00:58:53,500 --> 00:58:56,800
worker is and for, you know, all
of the traffickers who have been

1077
00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:01,400
burned by Roadshow and the pass 
protection stuff whether it's 

1078
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,200
relevant or not. 
One of the things that they've 

1079
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,700
said about Benjamin is that he's
continued to work in gotten 

1080
00:59:05,700 --> 00:59:08,200
better and he could not pass 
block before he can. 

1081
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:12,100
Now one of the Things about him 
is he's a good receiver and so 

1082
00:59:12,100 --> 00:59:16,200
if he can be out there on those 
types of snaps, you have three 

1083
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:19,300
down upside again, in an offense
that just creates so many points

1084
00:59:19,300 --> 00:59:22,000
for running backs. 
And I took the Darryl Williams 

1085
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:27,200
signing is an indication that 
they do want a passing down 

1086
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,000
back. 
And we've now gotten, you know, 

1087
00:59:30,100 --> 00:59:33,700
reports and stuff that that, you
know, is in that role. 

1088
00:59:33,700 --> 00:59:37,400
But I actually, and maybe this 
is just, you know, kind of 

1089
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:41,900
confirmation bias or whatever. 
But like, I've took that as as 

1090
00:59:41,900 --> 00:59:46,200
kind of a positive sign for Nino
or a negative sign for Connor 

1091
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:50,100
really, I stopped really kind of
drafting Connor after they 

1092
00:59:50,100 --> 00:59:52,300
signed Darryl because it's like,
okay. 

1093
00:59:53,500 --> 00:59:56,700
If his only path is touchdowns 
then he's just overpriced. 

1094
00:59:56,700 --> 00:59:59,600
He had a ton of touchdowns last 
year, that's why his ATP is, 

1095
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,600
where it is, if he's losing that
passing down, work to either, 

1096
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:06,000
you know, or Darrell that's a 
big problem and now with the 

1097
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,200
reports are that, it see? 
No, I feel like, you know, 

1098
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,600
they've sort of signaled that 
they have that role in mind. 

1099
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:12,500
So there could be some 
Standalone value there. 

1100
01:00:14,500 --> 01:00:16,700
Let's uh, let's talk about 
another team. 

1101
01:00:16,700 --> 01:00:20,700
That's near and dear to Sean's 
heart and I do feel like the 

1102
01:00:20,700 --> 01:00:22,400
ultimate kind of riddle to this 
season. 

1103
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,900
I'm starting to write an intro 
for tomorrow's newsletter about 

1104
01:00:25,900 --> 01:00:29,900
the Chiefs and outside of 
Kelsey, how if you could edit, 

1105
01:00:29,900 --> 01:00:32,200
we talked about this with Davis 
Matic of the hypothetical. 

1106
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:36,200
If you could know the stat line 
of one player for the entire 

1107
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:39,500
2022, season, which player would
you pick based on? 

1108
01:00:39,900 --> 01:00:42,700
What would you be able to do 
with that information across 

1109
01:00:42,700 --> 01:00:44,500
other players? 
And I do feel like that Player 

1110
01:00:44,500 --> 01:00:47,000
would have to be a Kansas City 
chief and I think you could 

1111
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,900
argue for it to be Juju. 
I think you could argue for it 

1112
01:00:49,900 --> 01:00:52,200
to be ceh. 
But just looking at those rooms,

1113
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:55,300
I mean, you can make the case 
for four wide receivers in four 

1114
01:00:55,300 --> 01:00:59,100
running backs to leg lead that 
position group on their team 

1115
01:00:59,100 --> 01:01:01,000
like after Kelsey. 
It's so wide open. 

1116
01:01:01,300 --> 01:01:04,000
So I'm just curious. 
Sean right now is this a chief 

1117
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:07,000
and every draft kind of 
situation are their price 

1118
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:07,900
points. 
You like better. 

1119
01:01:07,900 --> 01:01:10,500
How are you thinking about this 
team that I was just asking 

1120
01:01:10,500 --> 01:01:12,700
Leone in our chat? 
I mean, when you add up their 

1121
01:01:12,700 --> 01:01:14,600
implied team, totals for the 
entire, Season. 

1122
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,600
They have the third highest 
implied team, total of all the 

1123
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:19,200
teams. 
I think it's the bills and I 

1124
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,800
forget who the other the other 
team is, but it's like, we know 

1125
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,300
points are coming here. 
We just have no clue where 

1126
01:01:24,300 --> 01:01:27,700
they're coming from. 
Yeah, I just had an article 

1127
01:01:27,700 --> 01:01:33,000
coming out today, talking about 
evolving Cuba atp's, Underdog 

1128
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:37,200
and how and just some, you know,
at least mildly exploitable 

1129
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:40,700
elements to that and how 
surprising it is to me that the,

1130
01:01:40,700 --> 01:01:44,200
a DPS of the Chiefs receivers 
are rising and Patrick Mahomes. 

1131
01:01:44,300 --> 01:01:46,600
Continues to fall. 
And so there's, you know, some 

1132
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:50,500
value there for drafters. 
I would pick Juju in part, 

1133
01:01:50,500 --> 01:01:53,000
because I'm, he's the only guy, 
I really have a lot of questions

1134
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:59,700
about and I think that that will
determine everything else for 

1135
01:01:59,700 --> 01:02:03,200
them. 
Juju, and whether or not he is 

1136
01:02:03,500 --> 01:02:07,200
washed Determines whether or not
Patrick. 

1137
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:13,200
Mahoney has finishes as the qb1 
or like the qb5 because Travis 

1138
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:16,300
Kelce is going to be a star, 
probably not to the same level 

1139
01:02:16,300 --> 01:02:19,700
but he's a star Sky. 
More is going to have a breakout

1140
01:02:19,700 --> 01:02:23,500
season whether that happens in 
week 1, or in week 10, he's 

1141
01:02:23,500 --> 01:02:25,300
going to be a dynamic player for
them. 

1142
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:29,800
Mvs is going to be a good 
complementary, vertical threat. 

1143
01:02:29,900 --> 01:02:32,300
He's going to have a handful of 
long touchdowns. 

1144
01:02:32,300 --> 01:02:34,500
And in those leaks people who 
have in the best ball or going 

1145
01:02:34,500 --> 01:02:37,900
to be Just ecstatic, they're 
going to figure out what to do 

1146
01:02:37,900 --> 01:02:39,900
with the running back position. 
I mean, that's the biggest story

1147
01:02:39,900 --> 01:02:42,200
line with what's happening in 
practice. 

1148
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:44,900
Is that between those kind of 
four guys who were in The Mix, 

1149
01:02:44,900 --> 01:02:47,400
they're going to be able to get 
something done, right? 

1150
01:02:48,500 --> 01:02:53,200
If Juju is you know even 
anywhere in the vicinity of what

1151
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:55,700
he was like pre-injury and 
obviously they've been raving 

1152
01:02:55,700 --> 01:02:58,200
about what he can do and how 
he's excited because he's being 

1153
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:01,500
used and all these different 
formations and situations that 

1154
01:03:01,500 --> 01:03:03,200
he wasn't in Pittsburgh last 
couple years. 

1155
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:06,200
All that kind of thing. 
If he's anything close to the 

1156
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:08,700
guy he was before, then the 
Chiefs will score. 

1157
01:03:08,700 --> 01:03:11,300
The most points in the NFL, they
will get the number one seed. 

1158
01:03:11,300 --> 01:03:15,200
In the AFC, they will distance 
themselves from this loaded AFC 

1159
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:18,200
West. 
If he's just the guy, it's going

1160
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:19,700
to be a battle all the way to 
the end. 

1161
01:03:22,100 --> 01:03:25,300
Where are you at on Pacheco is a
prospect? 

1162
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:30,600
Because he's a guy where it's 
like, if you really dig in and 

1163
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:33,500
some of the stuff that I like to
look at like, you know, it's 

1164
01:03:33,500 --> 01:03:38,800
Breakaway, percentage sucked, 
just not didn't really have any 

1165
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:41,100
kind of explosive long plays in 
college. 

1166
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:45,100
It's yards per outrun, very bad,
actually much worse than Rojo's 

1167
01:03:45,100 --> 01:03:46,800
was in college. 
Kind of like a can Kenneth 

1168
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:50,800
Walker level yards per hour on 
wasn't particularly elusive? 

1169
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:53,100
Did you know he Didn't have a 
ton of work. 

1170
01:03:53,100 --> 01:03:56,200
He's like a committee guy, but 
even on a per touch basis was 

1171
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,400
not impressive in terms of 
breaking tackles yards after 

1172
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:00,500
contact. 
So kind of like every kind of 

1173
01:04:00,500 --> 01:04:05,400
micro thing. 
I look at he bombs in but he's 

1174
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:08,000
seems like he's going to be the 
starting kick returner for the 

1175
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:11,100
Chiefs, which means he'll be 
active on game days and he's got

1176
01:04:11,100 --> 01:04:14,600
sufficient sizes 216 and he ran 
a sub 4 40. 

1177
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:18,600
So from kind of like just like 
zoom out a little bit, he's 

1178
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:21,800
pretty interesting but you did 
you have any thoughts on him 

1179
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:23,300
just in terms of prospect 
profile? 

1180
01:04:24,500 --> 01:04:25,600
Yeah, I mean, it's terrible, 
right? 

1181
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:28,300
I mean, there's a reason that 
someone with that size speed, 

1182
01:04:28,300 --> 01:04:31,100
profile gets drafted, where he 
got drafted. 

1183
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:34,300
Now maybe there are some 
contextual things, you know, he 

1184
01:04:34,300 --> 01:04:38,300
wasn't playing for Alabama. 
So you know, maybe there's some 

1185
01:04:38,500 --> 01:04:42,000
mild explanation there and one 
of the things that we see when 

1186
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:48,600
we go and look at later round 
picks and you can look at it 

1187
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:50,800
from a dynasty perspective or 
redirect perspective, what have 

1188
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:54,100
you the guys who stick around 
and emerge? 

1189
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:58,000
Our players who were wildly 
productive and for whatever 

1190
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:02,600
reason, the NFL didn't believe 
that was going to translate or 

1191
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:06,500
they were players who were 
freakishly athletic and it's, 

1192
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:09,500
it's skewed in favor of The 
Producers over the athletes. 

1193
01:05:09,700 --> 01:05:12,100
But there is at least a little 
bit of potential there. 

1194
01:05:12,100 --> 01:05:16,500
I mean, even if there is some 
context to it, not being a great

1195
01:05:16,500 --> 01:05:21,700
situation in college, I mean his
numbers were just devastatingly 

1196
01:05:21,700 --> 01:05:24,600
poor, right? 
And and I think that you always 

1197
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:28,000
have to look at the ability of a
player to make big plays. 

1198
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,500
If you can't do it in college, 
it's going to be difficult at 

1199
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:32,700
the NFL level. 
That was one of the things that 

1200
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:35,100
I really tried to argue about 
David. 

1201
01:05:35,100 --> 01:05:37,300
Montgomery, is that? 
Yes, you have these really high 

1202
01:05:37,300 --> 01:05:40,600
broken tackle numbers, but if 
you cannot translate into 

1203
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:44,100
yardage at the college level, I 
mean these NFL guys are just so 

1204
01:05:44,100 --> 01:05:47,400
much better. 
Now, if you put check with turns

1205
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:49,400
into David Montgomery, obviously
you're very, very happy but 

1206
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,900
there's a Difference in 
expectations based on on where 

1207
01:05:51,900 --> 01:05:54,200
those guys go. 
And so we just, I think have to 

1208
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:57,900
keep in context. 
The fact that he should be 

1209
01:05:57,900 --> 01:06:00,300
going, at the end of drafts, you
should get some exposure to him.

1210
01:06:00,300 --> 01:06:03,100
Because if you have a sub for 
for guy in Kansas City's 

1211
01:06:03,100 --> 01:06:09,100
offense, you can't not. 
And yet, I mean, if the main 

1212
01:06:09,100 --> 01:06:10,900
storyline from all of this is 
that makes Road. 

1213
01:06:10,900 --> 01:06:13,100
Joe, cheaper than that's a 
benefit to everybody. 

1214
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:17,600
Where are you? 
Where are you looking for a job?

1215
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:19,600
Because I, I was taken Row Joe 
ton. 

1216
01:06:19,900 --> 01:06:22,700
Okay, and then he falls. 
I was taken with the 11th round 

1217
01:06:23,300 --> 01:06:35,000
URLs and 
then I was like, you know what? 

1218
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,100
I'm gonna wait, he's going to 
follow the 12th. 

1219
01:06:37,100 --> 01:06:38,800
I've got it. 
I've got my bags packed already.

1220
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:41,700
I want I want my discount, he's 
fallen to talk. 

1221
01:06:41,700 --> 01:06:44,500
Now he's fallen to like the 
13th, I'm kind of weight and now

1222
01:06:44,500 --> 01:06:46,100
I'm kind of the point where I'm 
like, let me see if I can give 

1223
01:06:46,100 --> 01:06:47,900
him the late 13th. 
That'd be kind of fun. 

1224
01:06:47,900 --> 01:06:50,400
Oh, I've got that pick 160 on. 
Dog. 

1225
01:06:50,900 --> 01:06:52,700
Yeah, I take him if he's a pic 
150. 

1226
01:06:52,700 --> 01:06:54,800
I pull the trigger. 
I don't screw out anymore. 

1227
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,500
So but maybe that I am kind of 
going to the point where I'm 

1228
01:06:57,508 --> 01:07:00,700
like, maybe 150 is not enough. 
Maybe I need to push it a little

1229
01:07:00,700 --> 01:07:03,500
further. 
So where is that point for you? 

1230
01:07:03,500 --> 01:07:05,100
Sean? 
Where you're like, okay now it's

1231
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:08,500
I'm not I'm not asking for any 
more discount, taking a road 

1232
01:07:08,500 --> 01:07:11,900
trip well, then and I box 
ourselves in a little bit. 

1233
01:07:11,900 --> 01:07:14,900
From a structural perspective at
the end of our draft last night,

1234
01:07:14,900 --> 01:07:19,500
but I believe we passed on him 
in the 14th round for Jarvis. 

1235
01:07:19,500 --> 01:07:23,800
Landry Three and then Jarvis 
Landry. 

1236
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:28,200
It was the other way around. 
Wasn't that I was drinking a 

1237
01:07:28,207 --> 01:07:30,800
margarita but I'm pretty sure I 
wanted Rosio and I was like, we 

1238
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:33,300
can't take Jarvis Landry. 
I'm just like that would take a 

1239
01:07:33,300 --> 01:07:37,400
Jarvis Landry, wow. 
Yeah, because I have control of 

1240
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:39,800
the clicker and just let the 
clock always run out after I 

1241
01:07:39,808 --> 01:07:42,100
asked. 
So, I've somehow become Jarvis. 

1242
01:07:42,100 --> 01:07:44,500
Landry is biggest fan on this 
show and don't even know what 

1243
01:07:44,500 --> 01:07:46,200
happened. 
Like twice said that he was a 

1244
01:07:46,207 --> 01:07:50,500
viable pick it like the 12th 
round by him for Decided to just

1245
01:07:50,500 --> 01:07:53,300
like start tweeting that. 
I'm like obsessed with Jarvis, 

1246
01:07:53,300 --> 01:07:56,300
Landry and impact. 
How did you have to bring that 

1247
01:07:56,300 --> 01:08:01,200
that pickup of all the picture? 
I FF underscore Riot? 

1248
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:04,900
Be had like pulled some quotes. 
They're just kind of shining a 

1249
01:08:04,908 --> 01:08:07,900
light on how the Pacheco stuff 
had gotten out a little, a 

1250
01:08:07,908 --> 01:08:10,200
little out of control and 
curated some of these quotes. 

1251
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:12,400
He's a tough kid, be enemy setup
Pacheco. 

1252
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:13,900
Obviously. 
We've got a lot of good players 

1253
01:08:13,900 --> 01:08:16,100
in that room right now. 
He's doing some good things, 

1254
01:08:16,100 --> 01:08:18,600
Rojo's doing a heck of a job. 
He's obviously a big man. 

1255
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:20,200
He's done some good things 
running The football. 

1256
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:22,500
The thing that I love about 
Rodeo every single day he comes 

1257
01:08:22,500 --> 01:08:25,899
out here and works his tail off.
So Pat. 

1258
01:08:25,899 --> 01:08:28,700
What was the meaning of this? 
Retweet confirming your priors? 

1259
01:08:29,399 --> 01:08:31,899
Yeah, I was happy to see someone
out there confirming my priors 

1260
01:08:31,899 --> 01:08:35,399
and the thought they deserved 
more eyeballs on their work. 

1261
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:38,399
That's how many dudes work. 
It's what, Twitter's for but 

1262
01:08:38,399 --> 01:08:42,600
that's the thing I want to get 
Sean's thoughts on with the 

1263
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:45,700
rotor stuff. 
Like the reason for that is not 

1264
01:08:45,700 --> 01:08:47,800
so much all this Camp hike in 
particular is getting like some 

1265
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:51,399
really big camp. 
Like it's like a little Jit, the

1266
01:08:51,399 --> 01:08:56,000
jit hype, train on Pacheco, but 
the kick returner stuff, is the 

1267
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:59,000
stuff that concerns because I 
was, by the way, I have a lot of

1268
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:03,000
jerk McKinnon. 
So, are they carrying four 

1269
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,700
running backs in the season? 
Are they, they're going to I 

1270
01:09:05,700 --> 01:09:08,200
assume healthy scratch 18, even 
if they do. 

1271
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:12,100
So like, I don't know. 
Shauna are you like this kick 

1272
01:09:12,100 --> 01:09:13,700
returner stuff? 
Bother you the same way bothers 

1273
01:09:13,700 --> 01:09:16,000
me? 
Because that has me concerned 

1274
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:17,899
that the check was not only 
making the roster he's active on

1275
01:09:17,899 --> 01:09:23,100
game days. 
Yeah, I have a decent amount of 

1276
01:09:23,100 --> 01:09:26,600
McKinnon but probably in formats
where it's not going to hurt me.

1277
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:30,100
If it doesn't work out there, I 
do think he was so good at the 

1278
01:09:30,100 --> 01:09:31,300
end of last season. 
One of the things that the 

1279
01:09:31,300 --> 01:09:34,600
Chiefs are able to do now and 
it's nice to be able to balance 

1280
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:38,300
out a few of the weird moves 
that they've made with trading 

1281
01:09:38,300 --> 01:09:39,300
for players who they were going 
to. 

1282
01:09:39,300 --> 01:09:41,700
Then have to pay a lot of money,
which you don't really want to 

1283
01:09:41,700 --> 01:09:44,500
do structurally building your 
team but they've been able to 

1284
01:09:44,500 --> 01:09:49,000
add a lot of interesting 
talented players for very little

1285
01:09:49,100 --> 01:09:51,600
Oh, and once you've done that, I
don't know why you would turn 

1286
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:58,600
around necessarily and cut them.
But yeah, the great thing about 

1287
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:01,400
Roadshow now, especially in 
redraft, it's a little bit 

1288
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:05,000
trickier and best of all because
it just is so crucial. 

1289
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:08,600
If you want to maximize your 
playoff, Advanced rates among or

1290
01:10:08,700 --> 01:10:12,200
across a very large number of 
teams, you just don't want to be

1291
01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:15,000
burning those roster spots, 
right? 

1292
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:18,200
You just get so few, you can't 
burn it, but in redraft, I mean,

1293
01:10:18,500 --> 01:10:22,500
you have to buy Roadshow in 
every League because his price 

1294
01:10:22,500 --> 01:10:24,000
right now is fine if he gets 
cut. 

1295
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:26,600
Right, fine. 
If you gets cut and you still 

1296
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:29,800
have a ton of upside. 
So I mean, he's going to be 

1297
01:10:34,600 --> 01:11:14,500
Breaking news. 
Sorry, we're having a 

1298
01:11:14,508 --> 01:11:18,600
thunderstorm. 
No, it's good. 

1299
01:11:18,900 --> 01:11:22,200
You said Ronald Jones is gonna 
be and we were all waiting with 

1300
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:24,100
bated breath. 
Why? 

1301
01:11:24,100 --> 01:11:26,400
I saw you guys as Expressions as
I was sure. 

1302
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:29,000
I was losing you and so I 
thought it was probably because 

1303
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:32,900
I'm frozen he's the most 
talented player on this team, 

1304
01:11:32,900 --> 01:11:34,700
right? 
He's gonna be the guy in the 

1305
01:11:34,700 --> 01:11:37,800
whole guy. 
Why I'm on the running backs? 

1306
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:40,300
Yes. 
But Ron Siegel things. 

1307
01:11:40,300 --> 01:11:43,800
Ronald Joseph more talented. 
That Patrick homes, the person 

1308
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:45,800
who's threatened by this is, is 
Edwards aware. 

1309
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:51,300
And so it's a little bit weird. 
That his ATP is not crumbling 

1310
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:56,400
because we now have just so much
evidence that he's just not 

1311
01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:58,900
going to be able to get the 
workload, but he would need to 

1312
01:11:58,900 --> 01:12:02,500
justify where he goes in drafts.
The funniest thing about the 

1313
01:12:02,508 --> 01:12:07,400
Pacheco news is in charges at is
that CH is now going higher 

1314
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:13,500
because everyone saw the 
lightning. 

1315
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:21,800
Everybody is so Like this is 
gonna sound like it's, you know,

1316
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:25,700
getting a little defensive 
particular program but anti-ro 

1317
01:12:25,700 --> 01:12:30,200
Joe that everyone has read the 
Pacheco stuff, as anti-ro Joe, 

1318
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:34,200
and then people took it the next
step and they said, actually the

1319
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:37,600
way that I see the Pacheco stuff
is, it's actually good for ce8 

1320
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:40,600
because I thought Ro Joe was the
only real competition for CH. 

1321
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:43,800
But since the Pacheco stuff is 
anti-ro, Joe, what it really 

1322
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:48,500
means is, it's late. 
The booms out there. 

1323
01:12:48,500 --> 01:12:53,700
Dude until Ronald, you get this 
this weird thing where because 

1324
01:12:53,700 --> 01:12:57,700
another running back is looking 
good behind ceh. 

1325
01:12:57,700 --> 01:13:01,500
People have talked to themselves
into CH being a better. 

1326
01:13:01,500 --> 01:13:05,500
Pick to take, even higher, 
simply so that they could be 

1327
01:13:05,500 --> 01:13:07,700
completely out on Row. 
Joe and drop him like four 

1328
01:13:07,700 --> 01:13:09,500
rounds. 
Like, how does how does protect 

1329
01:13:09,500 --> 01:13:12,400
code doing well? 
Well, how about, you know, I 

1330
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:15,100
completely agree with you that I
think it did because they both 

1331
01:13:15,100 --> 01:13:18,000
fit into to archetypes one. 
Like there's already a 

1332
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:21,400
pre-existing like disposition to
dislike Row Joe. 

1333
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:23,600
Everyone loves saying oh he 
messed up. 

1334
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:26,500
He couldn't earn Tom Brady's 
trust he couldn't you know climb

1335
01:13:26,500 --> 01:13:29,600
that depth chart there and then 
rookies we all collectively. 

1336
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:32,000
Love rookies. 
We all want to Envision the 99th

1337
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:35,600
percentile outcome. 
So you get, you do both of those

1338
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:38,900
things in conjunction and it's 
like a lightning rod, pushing 

1339
01:13:38,900 --> 01:13:43,000
them in opposite directions and 
I can totally, and it even on 

1340
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:46,400
Underdog like pacheco's, ATP, 
hasn't even risen like that 

1341
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:48,600
much. 
It's just Jose is sinking. 

1342
01:13:48,700 --> 01:13:52,100
It's like everyone's quickest to
react relative to Row Joe and 

1343
01:13:52,100 --> 01:13:55,400
not the other stuff, but this 
is, I mean, this is not a new 

1344
01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:57,700
Dynamic, guys. 
This is why I've continually 

1345
01:13:57,700 --> 01:14:01,000
double down on roaches because 
every year I'm like, oh just 

1346
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:02,700
should be in the 10th round 
ladies in the 12th round. 

1347
01:14:02,700 --> 01:14:05,200
And I'm like, oh yeah. 
Well shut that's a discount. 

1348
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:07,800
And then he'll fall to the 13th 
by The End by the end of the 

1349
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:11,600
draft season, and I've got an 
insane bag, the chat as a really

1350
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:14,800
interesting thoughts. 
I'm Sean's thunderstor. 

1351
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:17,100
We got God's trying to spite you
for the bullet Raja. 

1352
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:19,600
Joe takes God's angry that 
you're using your ability to see

1353
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:22,800
the future. 
So openly God's trying to 

1354
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:25,500
silence you from giving up the 
secrets behind the Casey 

1355
01:14:25,500 --> 01:14:28,400
backfield Pete, just pulled up 
the phone and says mother 

1356
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:30,500
nature, obviously mad. 
She didn't get a pack, her bags 

1357
01:14:30,500 --> 01:14:33,300
on Row Joe before you broke the 
Pacheco spell on everyone. 

1358
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:39,300
It is interesting, we time after
after what you were doing right?

1359
01:14:39,300 --> 01:14:42,300
As you are building up to the 
road, Joe, take you froze and 

1360
01:14:42,300 --> 01:14:44,700
now we've got lightning and 
thunder in the background and be

1361
01:14:44,700 --> 01:14:46,900
connected. 
There's a lot Happening Here. 

1362
01:14:47,300 --> 01:14:48,900
Fantasy, gods are not happy with
it. 

1363
01:14:48,900 --> 01:14:50,800
One of the other kind of funny 
things to about that. 

1364
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:53,900
Quote there that you read, I 
think that's like the next 

1365
01:14:53,900 --> 01:14:57,800
sentence is that the Chiefs 
coaching staff is saying, we're 

1366
01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:01,400
going to teach him how to do 
things that he hasn't done yet. 

1367
01:15:01,700 --> 01:15:03,500
It's like, I mean, how much more
of a clear shot at the 

1368
01:15:03,500 --> 01:15:05,700
Buccaneers game. 
Can you make right there? 

1369
01:15:06,900 --> 01:15:11,000
Wow, speaking of things he 
hasn't done yet. 

1370
01:15:11,500 --> 01:15:16,600
Ronald Jones has a yards per 
hour on over his career of 1.10.

1371
01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:19,000
This is something, by the way, I
mentioned on our mini so that 

1372
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:21,500
just released, check those out 
if you guys haven't. 

1373
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:25,700
But I cracked you guys up with 
this stat. 

1374
01:15:25,700 --> 01:15:28,500
When we were debating a Chiefs 
running back on the clock of the

1375
01:15:28,500 --> 01:15:31,500
FPC, but Ronald Jones one point,
10 yards. 

1376
01:15:31,500 --> 01:15:34,100
Part one of the course of his 
career it's actually a little 

1377
01:15:34,100 --> 01:15:37,700
worse than that over the last 
two years, 0.81 and 0.70, you do

1378
01:15:37,700 --> 01:15:40,800
not want running backs below, 
one yards per hour and that's 

1379
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:43,900
bad, right? 
And 1.10 career still pretty 

1380
01:15:43,900 --> 01:15:47,400
bad, how about quite a layer? 
The passing down, back from 

1381
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:49,600
elysée, elysée. 
How's he doing CeCe? 

1382
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:52,500
Good pass. 
Catcher in the pros 0.98. 

1383
01:15:52,500 --> 01:15:57,300
He's a rookie fell to 0.73 last 
year career yards per hour. 

1384
01:15:57,300 --> 01:16:01,000
Run of 0.89 significantly below 
Road. 

1385
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:03,800
Joe, Yours. 
What are you doing? 

1386
01:16:05,700 --> 01:16:09,900
It's, it's unreal. 
It's all right, it makes me what

1387
01:16:09,900 --> 01:16:13,100
I do think. 
We have had in our main event 

1388
01:16:13,100 --> 01:16:14,900
drafts. 
I believe we have been doing, 

1389
01:16:14,900 --> 01:16:17,900
you know, a chief in in every 
draft, basically strategy. 

1390
01:16:17,900 --> 01:16:21,500
This was from our second slow 
main. 

1391
01:16:21,500 --> 01:16:25,200
We did that with the I'm on the 
boat with Lou and Frankie and 

1392
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:27,800
serum here. 
But you know this that all this 

1393
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:30,000
cheap stocks going to be excited
because in this one, we did take

1394
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:33,600
Juju there and debate that we 
Went with Sky their Planet, both

1395
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:36,000
directions, and then I don't 
think we ended up getting roads 

1396
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:40,000
on this one, but we did still 
get McKinnon Pat. 

1397
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:41,500
I think it's weird in our first 
two drafts. 

1398
01:16:41,500 --> 01:16:43,100
We have McKinnon and not Row 
Joe. 

1399
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:47,000
We're over 3 on Row Joe, we 
almost took them in one and 

1400
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:48,800
we're getting one pick ahead of 
us. 

1401
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:51,800
Yeah, and he almost came back 
really cheap in that our most 

1402
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:53,600
recent one was right, what are 
you doing it? 

1403
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:55,300
Right. 
Because we're gonna now good and

1404
01:16:55,300 --> 01:16:57,300
cheap. 
We're gonna get him cheap. 

1405
01:16:57,300 --> 01:16:59,300
We did play them cheat now. 
Yeah. 

1406
01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:03,500
Sean. 
Have you done any Main Event 

1407
01:17:03,500 --> 01:17:05,900
drafts yet? 
Are you saving them for closer 

1408
01:17:05,900 --> 01:17:07,800
to the season? 
Obviously and I should mention 

1409
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:11,600
now the four of us are drafting 
a main event team here live on 

1410
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:13,700
ship, chasing a week from 
tomorrow. 

1411
01:17:13,700 --> 01:17:16,900
So that'll be Thursday. 
The 18th I believe will also be 

1412
01:17:16,900 --> 01:17:20,000
doing a main event draft next 
Wednesday and basically Main 

1413
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:22,900
Event drafts from here until the
start of the Season. 

1414
01:17:22,900 --> 01:17:27,300
I'll pull up the schedule here, 
but Sean, do you have a any Main

1415
01:17:27,300 --> 01:17:30,100
Events under your belt, yet? 
I think I'm breaking. 

1416
01:17:30,300 --> 01:17:38,000
But I don't then obviously been,
and I will do a lot for stealing

1417
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:43,400
banana, some 40, T, do we know 
our draft stock dropped yet? 

1418
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:46,600
We do. 
We got those. 

1419
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:51,100
Let me double check my email 
here to see what we got. 

1420
01:17:51,100 --> 01:17:53,200
Do, you guys remember what we 
were for our sir? 

1421
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:57,200
I don't, we had a bunch of top 
five. 

1422
01:17:57,200 --> 01:17:59,000
Yeah, let's see here. 
What we are. 

1423
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:00,300
We got some good picks this 
year. 

1424
01:18:00,300 --> 01:18:05,000
Yeah. 
We are for chasing stalling, but

1425
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:07,100
we have the five slot fellas. 
Yeah. 

1426
01:18:07,100 --> 01:18:08,200
Yes, yeah. 
Yes. 

1427
01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:12,800
Yeah. 
So, Sean is that what is your 

1428
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:14,500
favorite drafts? 
Lot on. 

1429
01:18:14,500 --> 01:18:16,600
Ffp. 
See this year, if you could just

1430
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:21,800
hand pick it, I would probably 
go with right because you're 

1431
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:26,100
going to get the going to get 
the last of that to order to 

1432
01:18:26,100 --> 01:18:29,800
start the for and little bit are
in round 2. 

1433
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:33,800
You perhaps get the best value 
falling coming back. 

1434
01:18:34,300 --> 01:18:37,000
You still get an early pick in 
round 3. 

1435
01:18:37,700 --> 01:18:39,700
So much. 
You can do with having picks in 

1436
01:18:39,700 --> 01:18:42,400
the middle to the middle. 
Gives you a lot more flexibility

1437
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:45,200
than being on the edges. 
I mean, I really enjoy being at 

1438
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:47,600
the turn and being able to get 
two guys in a row. 

1439
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:51,200
And sometimes taking I like to 
think of this as two surprising 

1440
01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:52,300
players. 
They may not actually be 

1441
01:18:52,300 --> 01:18:56,700
surprising players, but I like 
being at the turns but the 

1442
01:18:56,900 --> 01:18:59,800
Tactical advantage of being them
in the middle is pretty soon. 

1443
01:19:02,900 --> 01:19:07,000
Yeah, Shauna freezing there 
again, but I feel that so much 

1444
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:09,900
just in general on basically, 
any sites I played this year, 

1445
01:19:09,900 --> 01:19:14,500
like I having that middle slot 
is just, it seems ideal or walk 

1446
01:19:14,500 --> 01:19:17,100
or if you want the fuck, you 
don't want the middle slot that 

1447
01:19:17,100 --> 01:19:18,800
six or seven. 
I mean, you know, you're fine 

1448
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:21,800
with it if Chase balls to six or
seven but you want Fox. 

1449
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:24,700
I mean, I think that's exactly 
right because beautiful place to

1450
01:19:24,700 --> 01:19:26,300
be. 
It is a beautiful place to be 

1451
01:19:26,300 --> 01:19:30,100
because it to me there's like 
all these tear breaks that occur

1452
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:32,600
throughout the day. 
Draft and you're catching it 

1453
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:34,000
five. 
You're catching the last of the 

1454
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:37,900
first tier break and then 
there's still plenty of the. 

1455
01:19:38,100 --> 01:19:41,700
Basically from that point 
through probably the mid third 

1456
01:19:41,700 --> 01:19:45,200
is the same rough tear and 
you're getting two guys from 

1457
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:49,900
that tear and then there's a 
tear break shortly after your 

1458
01:19:49,900 --> 01:19:52,800
pick at 3:05. 
But that's your last until 

1459
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:56,300
you're picking the fourth. 
And was kind of one after that. 

1460
01:19:56,300 --> 01:19:58,800
In the like sometimes you might 
get a value in the fourth, you 

1461
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:00,600
might get a waddle falling or 
somebody. 

1462
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:01,100
You know. 
Right. 

1463
01:20:01,100 --> 01:20:02,400
You might get a waddle. 
Yeah. 

1464
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:06,900
And then like it can the fifth, 
I feel like there's a tear that 

1465
01:20:06,900 --> 01:20:11,700
breaks sort of late in the fifth
or maybe early in the sixth, you

1466
01:20:11,700 --> 01:20:13,400
don't have to worry about that. 
You got your fifth found guy 

1467
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:16,500
already, so like I guess by the 
67, it starts to get a little 

1468
01:20:16,500 --> 01:20:19,200
gross, but you've already had 
five picks and you got in the 

1469
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:22,400
best the best of the tears. 
I feel like each time Yeah, I 

1470
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:24,300
just pulled up. 
This was our first slow Main 

1471
01:20:24,300 --> 01:20:26,600
Event draft. 
So if you guys were VIPs and 

1472
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:30,100
listening to those minisodes or 
you guys have been getting the 

1473
01:20:30,100 --> 01:20:31,800
audio versions of those 
trickling out. 

1474
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:34,400
This was this team that did 
start from the 105 and that same

1475
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:36,700
thing. 
You grab the pits, the chase 

1476
01:20:36,700 --> 01:20:38,800
pits combo, their Higgins. 
You know. 

1477
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:41,800
Sliding their Brown seemed about
appropriately. 

1478
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:44,300
Valued the one snipe was you 
guys heard us? 

1479
01:20:44,300 --> 01:20:46,100
Talk about. 
We did really want Gabriel Davis

1480
01:20:46,100 --> 01:20:49,100
there after talking that out 
over Bateman, but I do agree. 

1481
01:20:49,100 --> 01:20:51,800
It seemed like we hit the sweet 
spots of this, a lot. 

1482
01:20:51,900 --> 01:20:53,700
Lat. 
And then, like, Singletary, we 

1483
01:20:53,700 --> 01:20:55,700
were doing cartwheels for at 
this spot. 

1484
01:20:55,700 --> 01:20:58,100
And then, in this 0r B build 
like, Carter and gain. 

1485
01:20:58,100 --> 01:21:02,200
Well, who, Sean has since gone 
on to write some glowing things 

1486
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:04,800
about as potential 0, RB 
targets. 

1487
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:06,900
I mean, this draft fell, really 
nice for us. 

1488
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:14,200
Yes, I'm gonna do you guys think
that's gonna pay it out. 

1489
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:18,200
Don't work this, this would have
been so good for your brand been

1490
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:20,500
if you had your time Montgomery,
conviction. 

1491
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:22,200
Absolutely. 
I'm ready. 

1492
01:21:22,300 --> 01:21:25,100
I was, I was what boy. 
Talk about taking both white in 

1493
01:21:25,100 --> 01:21:27,600
Montgomery in this draft. 
It didn't, it didn't pan out and

1494
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:30,000
then I was like, we got to take 
white over Montgomery, right? 

1495
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:32,000
And we should have just taken 
Montgomery. 

1496
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:34,500
Yeah, because White's going to 
start on PVP. 

1497
01:21:34,500 --> 01:21:37,200
Montgomery's gonna be sweet for 
like six or eight weeks, White's

1498
01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:39,600
going to come back and be good. 
The rest of the way you can't 

1499
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:41,600
have white though. 
I mean, you can't hold them 

1500
01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:43,700
through that. 
I don't think know. 

1501
01:21:43,700 --> 01:21:46,300
Um, Sean if your internet can 
hold up for it. 

1502
01:21:46,300 --> 01:21:50,900
I'd love to ask you about 
quarterbacks this year because 

1503
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:54,000
we found ourselves. 
If in some interesting spots in 

1504
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:57,200
these, it's about this being 
this being one of them. 

1505
01:21:57,200 --> 01:21:59,100
This was one of the most 
interesting spots you could 

1506
01:21:59,100 --> 01:22:00,400
have. 
I'm curious. 

1507
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:04,300
How are you feeling about the 
quarterback, landscape? 

1508
01:22:05,300 --> 01:22:08,700
How willing are you to kind of 
push past this middle? 

1509
01:22:08,700 --> 01:22:12,100
Eat tear after Herbert Allen, go
off the board and kind of go 

1510
01:22:12,100 --> 01:22:15,500
down to the Wilson. 
Lance Borough, Dak Brady. 

1511
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:19,700
I'm just kind of curious overall
because there is specific ATP 

1512
01:22:19,700 --> 01:22:23,000
context that that make it 
Interesting and drafts for 

1513
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:27,200
decision points. 
It does and I think that we are 

1514
01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:34,000
moving into an environment as 
tournaments get bigger and as 

1515
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:37,700
the relationship between 
quarterback scoring and 

1516
01:22:37,700 --> 01:22:42,400
quarterback ATP, gets a little 
bit stronger that you obviously 

1517
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:45,200
have to consider those star. 
Quarterbacks. 

1518
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:51,000
And yet I do like the in-between
tear and I and this isn't unique

1519
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:52,600
at all. 
But I really like Jalen hurts 

1520
01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:56,100
and Trail ants because there are
multiple ways that you Can win 

1521
01:22:56,100 --> 01:23:00,500
with those guys. 
And if all they do is run and 

1522
01:23:00,500 --> 01:23:03,400
their offenses are solid. 
You're going to come out ahead 

1523
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:08,000
if either one of them ends up, 
being anything like DeShaun 

1524
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:11,400
Watson, then you absolutely 
destroy the league. 

1525
01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:15,100
And that part of it is huge for 
you. 

1526
01:23:15,100 --> 01:23:18,600
And then if we're looking at 
some different opportunities to 

1527
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:23,800
put guys with them, you do have 
this possibility of playing a 

1528
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:27,100
Brandon. 
I Euchre Devonte Smith. and her 

1529
01:23:27,300 --> 01:23:31,000
inexpensive enough that they're 
not in lung, your for starting 

1530
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:34,100
wide receivers, with either a 
stealing bananas or a ship 

1531
01:23:34,100 --> 01:23:41,600
chasing build, but if they do 
hit then, You can win in such a 

1532
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:43,600
big way and you can win in a big
way. 

1533
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:47,600
That's not overwhelmingly 
expensive, the other element of 

1534
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:52,000
it would simply be that there 
are going to be some dead spots 

1535
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:54,400
as you go through your drafts 
early on. 

1536
01:23:55,100 --> 01:23:57,400
There are some fun, rookie wide 
receiver prices. 

1537
01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:04,700
So that if you get caught in a 
spot in round five and six and 

1538
01:24:06,100 --> 01:24:08,000
you don't have anybody there 
that you like I mean that's a 

1539
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:10,500
great spot to get some Lamar 
Jackson to get some color 

1540
01:24:10,500 --> 01:24:13,000
Murray, maybe after Mahomes has 
really Fallen to get some of the

1541
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:15,100
homes. 
I always like to take 

1542
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:20,800
quarterbacks Elite quarterbacks 
when I don't have any separation

1543
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:23,300
at running back or wide receiver
on my board. 

1544
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:28,000
In one thing that I feel like 
makes it a little trickier and I

1545
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:32,000
might be misremembering, but it 
felt like last year that tear 

1546
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:36,300
break there was way more obvious
and pronounce of like wide 

1547
01:24:36,300 --> 01:24:39,900
receiver is decimated right now.
Like DeShaun Watson at the time 

1548
01:24:39,900 --> 01:24:42,700
or those guys really felt like 
the best possible picks like 

1549
01:24:42,700 --> 01:24:45,000
didn't even feel like there was 
an opportunity cost this year 

1550
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:49,400
specifically with the rookies, 
Burke's London, Garrett Wilson, 

1551
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:52,900
especially Sky all of them feel 
Miss price by about a round. 

1552
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:56,400
And so you're often asking Do I 
try to play the ADP game? 

1553
01:24:56,400 --> 01:25:00,100
Grab the quarterback here? 
See if that guy falls, or am I 

1554
01:25:00,100 --> 01:25:03,500
going to reach for that wide 
receiver ahead of ADP? 

1555
01:25:03,500 --> 01:25:08,000
And that's why it hasn't felt as
clean to me this year as it may 

1556
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:11,800
be has in years past. 
Now the round 5 at wide 

1557
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:16,000
receiver, I think is actually, 
in many ways more interesting 

1558
01:25:16,100 --> 01:25:19,000
than round 3 and round for. 
It doesn't necessarily mean 

1559
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:22,500
those guys are going to outscore
them, but I find myself much 

1560
01:25:22,500 --> 01:25:26,200
more drawn to wanting a lot of 
exposure to those receivers. 

1561
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:28,900
But then the good thing is that 
in read rap as opposed to best 

1562
01:25:28,900 --> 01:25:32,400
ball, you do see those big time 
quarterbacks in round six. 

1563
01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:35,400
And so if you you know, have the
guy in round 5, you don't have 

1564
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:37,700
anybody in round 6. 
You could take the shot there. 

1565
01:25:39,100 --> 01:25:43,300
Yeah, yeah, that's what we got. 
Marie P. 

1566
01:25:43,300 --> 01:25:46,700
Say it's not as clean but we 
have three main event drafts in 

1567
01:25:46,700 --> 01:25:50,700
and three shares of Kyla Marie. 
So there's there seems to be a 

1568
01:25:50,700 --> 01:25:53,500
plan. 
Yeah, but that we've also gotten

1569
01:25:53,500 --> 01:25:55,200
funneled there for different 
reasons. 

1570
01:25:55,200 --> 01:25:57,500
Whether it was stacking. 
I'm just saying there's always a

1571
01:25:57,500 --> 01:25:59,600
spot there where there was an 
attractive wide receiver. 

1572
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:03,200
If we wanted to take them 
because I do, I do think, guys, 

1573
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:05,600
like, Berks and Garrett Wilson 
are like Miss price by two 

1574
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:09,500
rounds, you know, like it's so 
that's where I Struggle with it.

1575
01:26:09,500 --> 01:26:12,300
It's like if I just had put 
together my big board, I would 

1576
01:26:12,300 --> 01:26:14,400
probably push it. 
I think the dynamic that is 

1577
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:18,900
really interesting is, if you 
do, push it past that Kyler tear

1578
01:26:18,900 --> 01:26:21,900
and even now it hurts, who's 
kind of up there now to the 

1579
01:26:21,900 --> 01:26:26,100
Lance DAC and sometimes Borough,
it feels like you're playing 

1580
01:26:26,100 --> 01:26:28,100
with fire a little bit, 
especially if you're on the ends

1581
01:26:28,100 --> 01:26:30,200
of drafts, right? 
And you could miss out on a run 

1582
01:26:30,300 --> 01:26:32,600
and you're like, I passed on 
Cuyler because I thought, I'd 

1583
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:35,500
just play the ATP game and then 
the board gets wiped out. 

1584
01:26:35,500 --> 01:26:37,800
Like are you willing to play 
chicken with Trey? 

1585
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:40,400
Lance is Derek Carr. 
Our kind of your back stop if 

1586
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:46,200
you miss a guy like that. 
Well, we not steal the last 

1587
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:48,600
night when we were doing the 
underdog. 

1588
01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:50,000
Jeff. 
We're joking about how we took 

1589
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:53,700
Kelsey and then Pence made it 
back. 

1590
01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:57,100
We had a similar quarterback, 
this decision. 

1591
01:26:57,100 --> 01:27:01,300
As I mean, I think this is a 
huge question and we took their 

1592
01:27:01,300 --> 01:27:04,400
earlier QB and then Lance went 
like 7.1 in this Underdog draft 

1593
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:07,300
and it was like well kind of 
glad we did take the Q be here 

1594
01:27:07,300 --> 01:27:09,700
because we like not Sure what we
would have done. 

1595
01:27:09,700 --> 01:27:16,400
But anyway, go ahead and answer.
I was like to risk it because I 

1596
01:27:16,500 --> 01:27:21,000
am always trying to build in the
main events these super teams 

1597
01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:24,200
and yet it's a big risk because 
I don't think that the Prescott 

1598
01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:28,600
or Stafford are playable either.
I think that if you miss on the 

1599
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:33,600
guys right before them, then you
actually want to go way down and

1600
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:36,100
start taking potential breakout 
players. 

1601
01:27:36,100 --> 01:27:38,500
It's not that every year is 
going to have a breakout player.

1602
01:27:38,700 --> 01:27:41,400
I don't know that there's a 
particularly good late break out

1603
01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:45,100
option. 
I do think that mean exactly 

1604
01:27:45,100 --> 01:27:48,800
Wilson doesn't seem like an NFL 
starter but he's got those two 

1605
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:50,500
receivers. 
If you're high on them, maybe 

1606
01:27:50,500 --> 01:27:52,600
you have a little bit of 
interest if you think that 

1607
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:59,000
Marcus Mariota could make it 
through him, to me is a guy who 

1608
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:03,400
could score like players in the 
seventh round but again, that's 

1609
01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:07,400
a thin kind of thesis because 
he's not going to make it 

1610
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:09,800
through. 
And so you're going to use some 

1611
01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:11,900
other things. 
I mean the redraft part of it is

1612
01:28:11,900 --> 01:28:13,600
good. 
Because you can let your team of

1613
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:15,800
all throughout the course of the
Year, whereas, invest ball. 

1614
01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:17,500
I mean, you're really stuck with
those pics. 

1615
01:28:17,500 --> 01:28:21,800
If you make them at the same 
time, it's going to be very hard

1616
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:24,500
to get that QB scoring back. 
And again, as these tournaments 

1617
01:28:24,500 --> 01:28:26,500
get bigger, and you're playing 
for the 1 million dollars, 

1618
01:28:26,500 --> 01:28:28,000
you're going to need some 
quarterback points. 

1619
01:28:28,700 --> 01:28:31,700
I'm impressed, you didn't bring 
up Mike Jones and jerk off their

1620
01:28:31,700 --> 01:28:33,100
chose. 
Some other later on quarterback 

1621
01:28:33,100 --> 01:28:35,100
ceiling bananas listeners, who 
are watching. 

1622
01:28:35,100 --> 01:28:37,900
They're also going. 
What who's Marcus Mariota? 

1623
01:28:37,900 --> 01:28:40,200
Exact Wilson. 
These are not the later on QVC 

1624
01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:42,000
that you mentioned every 
episode. 

1625
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:46,400
He liked to balance it out, I 
mean, I I had that spot in. 

1626
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:48,200
This was my Pros vs. 
Joe's draft. 

1627
01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:51,200
And there was a huge quarterback
run here in the sixth. 

1628
01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:54,100
And this was one of those spots 
again where sometimes I might be

1629
01:28:54,100 --> 01:28:57,300
tempted to take Trail ants here 
in the seventh and not risk it. 

1630
01:28:57,300 --> 01:28:59,800
But and then I'm sitting here 
and staring at Drake London and 

1631
01:28:59,800 --> 01:29:03,500
to Sean's point it's like can I 
build a super team push it to 

1632
01:29:03,500 --> 01:29:06,000
the eight then get Lance and 
then like Sean was mentioning 

1633
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:08,500
earlier than Brandon, are you 
he's still kicking around here 

1634
01:29:08,500 --> 01:29:11,400
in the night so you get your 
stack and you can build that 

1635
01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:13,200
out. 
And that's where This spot here.

1636
01:29:13,300 --> 01:29:16,500
When these runs happen, it can 
feel a little scary, but if you 

1637
01:29:16,500 --> 01:29:19,200
have those targets that Sean's, 
talking about, you're more 

1638
01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:22,000
willing to be able to risk it, 
that's what really good. 

1639
01:29:23,100 --> 01:29:27,000
Fuck, dude. 
This this one had our Chiefs 

1640
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:29,700
guys were talking about that. 
We got the Kelsey, the the juju 

1641
01:29:29,700 --> 01:29:31,800
and in the road Joe here, 
although people are getting Row.

1642
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:33,800
Joe, much cheaper. 
Healthy Swift. 

1643
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:38,900
YouTube land side, you can the 
middle. 

1644
01:29:38,900 --> 01:29:42,800
You get Row. 
Joe get Darryl Henderson pretty 

1645
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:46,000
good. 
Wanda late even got Vista on 

1646
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:49,000
their roll the clip. 
Yeah, we're playing the hits 

1647
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:51,500
here, playing the hits for sure.
But yeah, that's about mine as 

1648
01:29:51,500 --> 01:29:54,700
well. 
Yeah, we had similar builds bat,

1649
01:29:54,700 --> 01:29:56,100
right? 
Because you had me restart. 

1650
01:29:56,100 --> 01:30:00,200
Kelsey Berkeley. 
Maybe Aaron Jones comes here and

1651
01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:01,700
John's, yeah, might have been 
it. 

1652
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:03,600
But yeah, we end up with pretty 
similar teams. 

1653
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:08,300
I wanted to ask you about Justin
field shown because we did a 

1654
01:30:08,308 --> 01:30:11,000
dynasty startup together 
recently and we're kind of going

1655
01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:14,400
back and forth. 
And I was the fields bear there,

1656
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:18,500
because I'm just nervous about 
this situation around him to 

1657
01:30:18,500 --> 01:30:23,000
offensive line is atrocious. 
You know, the second one Like 

1658
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:24,300
they had last year Tevin 
Jenkins. 

1659
01:30:24,300 --> 01:30:27,000
People are like, kind of like 
surprised to hear they were 

1660
01:30:27,100 --> 01:30:29,600
considering trading him. 
Dude hasn't seemed like a 

1661
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:33,000
first-team read blog, haha, 
season, like, who cares betrayed

1662
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:35,900
him. 
And then there was a beat writer

1663
01:30:35,900 --> 01:30:37,600
today. 
I was like, snarkily, tweeting 

1664
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:41,600
about who's saying, oh man, what
a sweet throw just in fields, 

1665
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:44,800
just had to Isaiah culter, you 
don't be sweeter than that. 

1666
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:50,400
Throw not having us a cult Iran.
They're saying, what are we 

1667
01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:52,400
doing? 
There's so, but on the other 

1668
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:56,400
hand, some of the some of the 
offensive line stuff maybe is 

1669
01:30:56,400 --> 01:30:58,200
good because he's going to 
scramble more. 

1670
01:30:58,200 --> 01:31:01,200
Like it's not good but maybe you
know we get some fancy points 

1671
01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:05,100
out of it so you know it's a 
certain point in bad rather have

1672
01:31:05,100 --> 01:31:07,300
it just be that little extra 
were so he's running around more

1673
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:09,700
but I don't know. 
I will is he part of that 

1674
01:31:09,700 --> 01:31:14,900
backstop plan for you at all? 
Well I have a ton of him. 

1675
01:31:14,900 --> 01:31:18,100
I in some ways I do like him a 
little bit more in best ball 

1676
01:31:18,200 --> 01:31:20,600
where you're not going to have 
to roll them out every week 

1677
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:26,300
knowing that, he's your starter.
And I think that there's a weak 

1678
01:31:26,300 --> 01:31:31,400
version of my case for DeAndre 
Swift and TJ Hawkinson last year

1679
01:31:31,800 --> 01:31:36,700
where you combine the talent 
with the garbage time and I 

1680
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:39,200
actually do struggle to see how 
he doesn't score a lot of 

1681
01:31:39,200 --> 01:31:42,100
points, right? 
He's got the big accurate arm. 

1682
01:31:42,100 --> 01:31:44,700
The question is the offense, the
talent around him, his 

1683
01:31:44,700 --> 01:31:46,900
decision-making, his information
processing. 

1684
01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:49,400
I mean that's where he has to 
grow into a legitimate. 

1685
01:31:49,400 --> 01:31:51,700
Well quarterback, right? 
But he can make these big time 

1686
01:31:51,700 --> 01:31:54,100
throws. 
He rushed more last year than 

1687
01:31:54,100 --> 01:31:57,300
people realize, I think. 
And that's with an offense where

1688
01:31:57,300 --> 01:31:59,900
they were specifically trying to
keep him from running. 

1689
01:32:00,300 --> 01:32:02,500
And so, we don't expect him to 
betray Lance. 

1690
01:32:02,500 --> 01:32:05,800
We don't expect him to be Lamar 
Jackson and yet the Russian 

1691
01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:09,000
upside there, they're going to 
get him out on the edge and I'm 

1692
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:11,700
he's just going to run because 
there's nobody to throw to and 

1693
01:32:11,700 --> 01:32:14,500
so there are a lot of potential 
fantasy points. 

1694
01:32:14,500 --> 01:32:17,400
They are my only concern with 
the Bears would be if they just 

1695
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:20,000
flat out, don't try in the 
fourth quarter and one of the 

1696
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:22,700
good things about the Lions last
year and the thing that did. 

1697
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:24,300
Help Swift. 
And Hawkinson at least to an 

1698
01:32:24,300 --> 01:32:26,400
extent was that that team 
competed. 

1699
01:32:26,500 --> 01:32:28,800
And so, if you think that the 
bear is, as terrible as they are

1700
01:32:29,100 --> 01:32:32,800
and my article, they I said, I 
mean I obviously have the 30 

1701
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:38,000
second ranked skill position 
group and if there were 100 

1702
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:40,900
teams that would be 100. 
But yet I mean if they do try in

1703
01:32:40,900 --> 01:32:44,100
the fourth quarter how do they 
not score points and how does he

1704
01:32:44,100 --> 01:32:47,100
not score points? 
I think there are worse options 

1705
01:32:47,100 --> 01:32:50,800
and so He's the person I'm 
targeting when I Target other 

1706
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:55,000
people and miss and yet when 
you're trying to win the overall

1707
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:58,600
tournament in the main event, I 
do see that part of, it seems a 

1708
01:32:58,608 --> 01:33:02,000
little bit difficult for me. 
I'm also a little concerned, 

1709
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:04,300
they hired a, you know, they 
hire a defense, of course, 

1710
01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:07,900
co-head coach. 
The offensive coordinator to be 

1711
01:33:07,900 --> 01:33:11,500
their head. 
Coach, their OC very limited 

1712
01:33:11,500 --> 01:33:13,500
offensive coordinator 
background. 

1713
01:33:14,300 --> 01:33:16,900
He was the passing game, 
coordinator for the Packers. 

1714
01:33:16,900 --> 01:33:18,800
Last two years. 
Obviously the Packer Aaron 

1715
01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:22,900
Rodgers, ones MVP back-to-back 
Seasons but how much of that was

1716
01:33:22,900 --> 01:33:24,700
Aaron Rodgers? 
How much of that was Luke Etsy? 

1717
01:33:26,400 --> 01:33:29,100
How much of that even if it was,
Luke gets he, can you bring over

1718
01:33:29,100 --> 01:33:31,500
to the Chicago Bears team and 
Justin fields? 

1719
01:33:33,100 --> 01:33:35,800
The that part about them being 
competitive is where I get hung 

1720
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:37,800
up. 
I love Justin Fields, I'm with 

1721
01:33:37,800 --> 01:33:40,000
you with everything else but I'm
like this team's gonna suck in, 

1722
01:33:40,008 --> 01:33:41,400
they're going to suck in a 
boring way. 

1723
01:33:41,500 --> 01:33:43,400
That's I'm just depressed about 
that. 

1724
01:33:44,500 --> 01:33:46,800
Well, when you read some of the 
beat reports you don't get the 

1725
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:48,300
impression they picked up any 
first downs. 

1726
01:33:48,600 --> 01:33:51,900
But yet those people covering 
the team are very enthusiastic 

1727
01:33:51,900 --> 01:33:54,200
about their offensive 
coordinator, despite the lack of

1728
01:33:54,200 --> 01:33:56,700
first downs in practice they 
really liked the way the offense

1729
01:33:56,700 --> 01:33:57,900
works. 
Okay? 

1730
01:33:58,300 --> 01:34:03,000
Alright shut you mentioned the 
the week 15 through 17 Element 

1731
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:06,300
with FPC. 
I'm curious any specific 

1732
01:34:06,300 --> 01:34:09,900
considerations, you're making 
for that whether it's you know, 

1733
01:34:09,900 --> 01:34:12,800
schedule based any other stuff 
and and maybe also kind of 

1734
01:34:12,808 --> 01:34:16,100
comparing it to if you think 
about it differently than you do

1735
01:34:16,300 --> 01:34:18,900
on Underdog with best Ball Mania
3 and just kind of in general 

1736
01:34:19,100 --> 01:34:22,700
how you're thinking about 
in-game stuff and how you can 

1737
01:34:22,700 --> 01:34:25,600
set yourself up for Success even
drafting here in August. 

1738
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:31,700
Yeah, the thing that I'm always 
trying to do occasionally to my 

1739
01:34:31,700 --> 01:34:35,200
detriment, but is a fun way to 
draft is too. 

1740
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:39,700
You know, basically, essentially
or exclusively, I'm sorry 

1741
01:34:39,700 --> 01:34:42,900
exclusively Target players that 
you expect to be three rounds 

1742
01:34:42,900 --> 01:34:46,500
more expensive next year. 
And if that takes a little bit 

1743
01:34:46,500 --> 01:34:50,300
of time, at the beginning of the
season to manifest itself, or 

1744
01:34:50,308 --> 01:34:53,700
for those guys to get in that 
position, then you're okay with 

1745
01:34:53,700 --> 01:34:55,300
it. 
And so at the midpoint of the 

1746
01:34:55,308 --> 01:35:00,500
season, if not all of your teams
are in first place, that's okay.

1747
01:35:00,700 --> 01:35:04,700
But as you're going, then from 
say, week seven or eight, to 

1748
01:35:04,700 --> 01:35:07,800
week, 14, those Have to be 
ascending. 

1749
01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:11,900
And they have to be peaking for 
the fantasy playoffs to where. 

1750
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:15,400
Again, we talked with 0, RB 
about the trying to get six of 

1751
01:35:15,400 --> 01:35:18,900
the top 15 wide receivers 
because that gives you so much 

1752
01:35:18,900 --> 01:35:21,900
fire power to dominate. 
The starting lineup, dominate 

1753
01:35:21,900 --> 01:35:25,900
the flex, your 0r B guys. 
Re-emerging, your players like 

1754
01:35:25,900 --> 01:35:28,100
Kenneth gain. 
Well, may now be the starters 

1755
01:35:28,100 --> 01:35:31,500
and not just the starters, but, 
you know, not Superstars, but 

1756
01:35:32,100 --> 01:35:35,600
big-time players and you think 
about, we talk about the news 

1757
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:37,500
and the patients that You have 
to have. 

1758
01:35:37,700 --> 01:35:40,500
And one of the very interesting 
guys, from last year, was 

1759
01:35:40,500 --> 01:35:43,900
Richard Penny, right? 
And he was the person who want 

1760
01:35:43,900 --> 01:35:45,800
us all a bunch of money, invest 
ball. 

1761
01:35:45,900 --> 01:35:49,900
And yet, not on those redraft 
teams because everybody cut him 

1762
01:35:49,900 --> 01:35:53,900
and he do for good reason and 
he's been locked and so he can't

1763
01:35:53,900 --> 01:35:57,000
come back in and actually play 
in the fantasy playoffs. 

1764
01:35:57,900 --> 01:36:00,200
But you have to have that kind 
of player and you have to have 

1765
01:36:00,400 --> 01:36:04,600
players who if they're 
second-string our potential 

1766
01:36:04,600 --> 01:36:06,300
star. 
So pennies back upright. 

1767
01:36:06,500 --> 01:36:10,300
It looks like someone who you 
know is a must draft in every 

1768
01:36:10,300 --> 01:36:12,700
League basically now that the 
ADP is accepted and you're 

1769
01:36:12,700 --> 01:36:17,200
getting him at a good price. 
So once you're there and going 

1770
01:36:17,200 --> 01:36:22,100
into the that 15 through 17 run,
you need to be starting a super 

1771
01:36:22,100 --> 01:36:26,500
team it's not so much a matter 
of where do I find the small 

1772
01:36:26,500 --> 01:36:30,100
edges although you want to find 
those two but you're looking for

1773
01:36:30,100 --> 01:36:32,800
the big edges and you're looking
for your team to become it, and 

1774
01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:35,500
like the team that won the last 
year, where everybody's looking 

1775
01:36:35,500 --> 01:36:38,100
at that team and say, Saying, I 
mean, this is the greatest team 

1776
01:36:38,100 --> 01:36:40,100
of all time. 
How did they draft this team? 

1777
01:36:40,200 --> 01:36:42,200
Well, they drafted that team 
because they set out to draft a 

1778
01:36:42,200 --> 01:36:44,400
very, very good team as opposed 
to get. 

1779
01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:49,600
A lot of small ADP wins and 
build a safe. 

1780
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:52,900
I'm going to be in the upper 
third of my league type of team.

1781
01:36:52,900 --> 01:36:56,300
I mean they drafted a team to 
win the whole thing and it's 

1782
01:36:56,400 --> 01:36:59,000
easy to say that it's harder to 
do it, but there are so many 

1783
01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:02,600
structural things and player 
profile types of things that you

1784
01:37:02,600 --> 01:37:05,000
have to be willing to do. 
And you can do you mean you have

1785
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:06,700
the option of making fun? 
Pics. 

1786
01:37:06,700 --> 01:37:09,000
That's one of the things I like 
about it is that not only does 

1787
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:11,000
it give you a chance to win the 
whole thing, but it's a much 

1788
01:37:11,000 --> 01:37:13,900
more fun way to draft. 
And so that's kind of what I'm 

1789
01:37:13,900 --> 01:37:17,400
thinking of when I'm looking at 
Weeks 15 to 17 is that you need 

1790
01:37:17,400 --> 01:37:20,800
to be able to see for a large 
percentage of the players on 

1791
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:24,300
your team, how they could 
contribute to an All-Star team 

1792
01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:28,000
down the stretch because you're 
going to be other teens in that 

1793
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:33,100
race that are very very good. 
Yeah, I like that a lot. 

1794
01:37:33,100 --> 01:37:36,200
And I've, I love that heuristic,
as well, to of just thinking of 

1795
01:37:36,200 --> 01:37:40,200
who are the guys that can jump, 
you know, majorly in a teepee. 

1796
01:37:40,200 --> 01:37:43,700
The next year, it also puts you 
on a lot of teams that that look

1797
01:37:43,700 --> 01:37:46,800
like Dynasty teams, right where 
you have, so many of these 

1798
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:50,200
rookies and you are looking and 
specifically some of that 0r b 

1799
01:37:50,200 --> 01:37:53,600
target range with your James 
Cook in your Spiller and Richard

1800
01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:56,100
white and yeah there's other 
guys kicking around in that 

1801
01:37:56,100 --> 01:37:58,900
range but you look at all those 
guys in it's like if any of 

1802
01:37:58,900 --> 01:38:01,400
those guys were second or third 
round picks next year. 

1803
01:38:01,400 --> 01:38:05,200
Would that surprise, you know, 
and it's hard to say that about 

1804
01:38:05,200 --> 01:38:08,000
a lot of the other non rookies 
in that same range. 

1805
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:12,700
So let's talk about Rashad real 
quick because I was on with you 

1806
01:38:12,700 --> 01:38:17,000
guys when he was drafted, I know
you were worried about his draft

1807
01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:22,800
stock but he got that crucial 
day to Capital and I have been 

1808
01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:25,600
extremely bullish with the 
landing spot because Tom Brady 

1809
01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:27,400
throws his running back. 
Some Richard white as pass 

1810
01:38:27,400 --> 01:38:29,400
catcher but obviously Leonard 
fournette is there a little for 

1811
01:38:29,400 --> 01:38:30,300
now? 
It's like not. 

1812
01:38:30,900 --> 01:38:33,900
We as expensive, as I thought he
might be his prices are really 

1813
01:38:33,900 --> 01:38:37,300
out of control. 
So, you know, maybe I shouldn't 

1814
01:38:37,300 --> 01:38:39,900
be just betting. 
So aggressively against him with

1815
01:38:39,900 --> 01:38:41,600
all my Richard white shares. 
But here we are. 

1816
01:38:43,500 --> 01:38:46,300
He does look like in a lot of 
ways, kind of a classic zero 

1817
01:38:46,300 --> 01:38:48,800
running back candidate. 
Got the contingent values pass 

1818
01:38:48,800 --> 01:38:52,400
catcher. 
But there's also maybe like not 

1819
01:38:52,400 --> 01:38:55,200
the best opportunity for him to 
like mix in because they've used

1820
01:38:55,200 --> 01:38:57,200
for notice such a Workhorse. 
What are your thoughts on him? 

1821
01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:05,300
I think you're muted jump 
because the price is still in 

1822
01:39:05,300 --> 01:39:08,300
that range. 
That is a little bit tricky and 

1823
01:39:08,300 --> 01:39:11,700
impart because I just, you know,
you do have some emotional 

1824
01:39:11,700 --> 01:39:15,300
things, feel go. 
Through with fantasy and you 

1825
01:39:15,300 --> 01:39:18,000
might as well embrace them as 
opposed to not. 

1826
01:39:18,300 --> 01:39:22,800
And I don't want to spend the 
entire season being on the 

1827
01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:27,400
opposite side of Oakland her for
not necessarily at the price 

1828
01:39:27,400 --> 01:39:28,900
range to them. 
You think about someone like you

1829
01:39:28,900 --> 01:39:31,200
know Benjamin where I'm actually
pretty confident Standalone 

1830
01:39:31,200 --> 01:39:33,700
value because of the way the 
Buccaneers do what. 

1831
01:39:33,700 --> 01:39:36,300
I just I'm not sure that there's
any Standalone value there now 

1832
01:39:36,300 --> 01:39:39,300
in redraft especially as opposed
to best ball, you don't need it.

1833
01:39:39,400 --> 01:39:42,800
You just need someone. 
Who, if things change, then is a

1834
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:45,900
Time to impact player, it's 
going to depend a little bit on 

1835
01:39:45,900 --> 01:39:48,600
just how thin you are through 
the first ten rounds, I was 

1836
01:39:48,600 --> 01:39:52,300
excited because Ben, and I got 
what with, at least my one of my

1837
01:39:52,300 --> 01:39:55,000
first shares of him last night. 
That was a lot of fun. 

1838
01:39:55,200 --> 01:39:56,800
I do think that he has huge 
upside. 

1839
01:39:57,000 --> 01:39:59,400
I'm also with you there on for 
net, where it's just the price 

1840
01:39:59,400 --> 01:40:01,500
is wrong, and that's very 
frustrating because the players 

1841
01:40:01,500 --> 01:40:03,500
I know not going to draft, I'm 
always rooting for them to go 

1842
01:40:03,500 --> 01:40:07,500
up, go up, go up. 
And my article their day on if 

1843
01:40:07,500 --> 01:40:12,900
you're tired of buying or paying
for Najee Harris and and Joe 

1844
01:40:12,900 --> 01:40:18,000
Mixon, here are some options. 
Leonard, fournette is a great 

1845
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:20,200
option and at the end of the 
article, just says, I'm not 

1846
01:40:20,200 --> 01:40:23,700
going to have any, but unless 
you're like, exactly in my 

1847
01:40:23,700 --> 01:40:27,300
shoes, you should have some. 
Because why would anyone draft 

1848
01:40:27,300 --> 01:40:28,900
nausea hair. 
Silver Leonard fournette. 

1849
01:40:32,300 --> 01:40:35,300
I guess there's one of four 
that's old and in bad and now 

1850
01:40:35,300 --> 01:40:37,400
she's young and bad. 
I have graphic. 

1851
01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:43,600
I've drafted Leonard fournette, 
four, separate times and best 

1852
01:40:43,600 --> 01:40:46,500
Ball Mania, that's not of, 
almost 100 drafts, but still 

1853
01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:48,900
that's a lot more than I thought
I would. 

1854
01:40:49,200 --> 01:40:51,400
I mean, well, he falls into the 
third round. 

1855
01:40:51,400 --> 01:40:54,600
It's pretty wild, but it goes 
back to that thing to shot. 

1856
01:40:54,600 --> 01:40:59,100
Like you're also having to pass 
on AJ Brown and T Higgins, to 

1857
01:40:59,100 --> 01:41:01,500
draft Leonard, fournette. 
These best of all media drafts, 

1858
01:41:01,500 --> 01:41:04,200
which is It's just the hardest 
button to click. 

1859
01:41:04,900 --> 01:41:07,200
I've never once even consider 
drafting him. 

1860
01:41:07,200 --> 01:41:15,900
So I'm sitting at 4% and best of
all Mania and I feel and I 

1861
01:41:15,900 --> 01:41:18,300
probably like, massively over 
weight compared to you guys. 

1862
01:41:18,300 --> 01:41:20,000
Yeah, yeah. 
I have four percent as well. 

1863
01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:23,400
So, that's recent, yeah. 
So I would likely only comes on 

1864
01:41:23,400 --> 01:41:27,200
here and acts like we're just 
complete lunatics with our, with

1865
01:41:27,200 --> 01:41:29,400
our Leonard, fournette, hating 
everything, we're moderates. 

1866
01:41:29,500 --> 01:41:33,700
We're the ones. 
Except with David Montgomery who

1867
01:41:33,700 --> 01:41:35,700
I do. 
In fact, have 0 equals negative 

1868
01:41:36,000 --> 01:41:40,300
B equals 0 and a little bit 
Bolder 0, Joe Mixon. 

1869
01:41:40,300 --> 01:41:44,600
I'm not taking Joe Mixon. 
Once so Sean for some of those 

1870
01:41:44,600 --> 01:41:47,600
other guys that you are on 
pretty much a full fade like 

1871
01:41:47,600 --> 01:41:51,900
some of the guys that Pat said I
mean where are you at on? 

1872
01:41:52,200 --> 01:41:54,100
Are you playing it through other
backs? 

1873
01:41:54,100 --> 01:41:59,100
Say the Chris Evans perine it? 
Do we have any Alpha on the 

1874
01:41:59,100 --> 01:42:01,900
Steelers backup running back? 
Are you betting against notch? 

1875
01:42:02,100 --> 01:42:04,600
He your guy, Benny Snell still 
kicking around there? 

1876
01:42:04,600 --> 01:42:08,000
Do you have any Galaxy brain 
late-round running back targets 

1877
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:12,200
here to Leverage The Fades? 
Yeah, every once in a while, 

1878
01:42:12,200 --> 01:42:14,700
I'll run across a dynasty team 
that still has some funny smell 

1879
01:42:14,700 --> 01:42:18,000
that I have to cut for. 
I gots a contract league, and 

1880
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:20,800
you have these penalties and so 
he's just, he's still there, you

1881
01:42:20,808 --> 01:42:23,800
know, thinking. 
Well, that was an obvious 

1882
01:42:23,800 --> 01:42:25,900
missing still, is going to be 
regardless of what happens to 

1883
01:42:25,900 --> 01:42:28,700
Harris. 
The the Bengals situation is 

1884
01:42:28,700 --> 01:42:30,500
interesting because I think that
perine actually is a good 

1885
01:42:30,500 --> 01:42:31,700
player. 
I don't know that there's that 

1886
01:42:31,700 --> 01:42:35,200
big a gap even between Nixon and
perine and then Evans is 

1887
01:42:35,200 --> 01:42:39,100
interesting because he's very 
athletic and the potential for a

1888
01:42:39,108 --> 01:42:42,100
receiving roll. 
It it gives you a sense of the 

1889
01:42:42,100 --> 01:42:44,900
news and how much it affects 
things because he was so trendy 

1890
01:42:44,900 --> 01:42:46,000
as they talked about. 
Okay. 

1891
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:48,600
Joe Mixon is not going to play 
Third downs, and as soon as you 

1892
01:42:48,600 --> 01:42:50,800
hear that, really just mixing is
like a fourth round player. 

1893
01:42:50,900 --> 01:42:53,600
Now, fourth round is still a 
very valuable Able player so 

1894
01:42:53,600 --> 01:42:57,400
it's not like we're saying you 
know, he's terrible, something 

1895
01:42:57,400 --> 01:42:58,900
like that but that's where his 
value is. 

1896
01:42:58,900 --> 01:43:02,300
If he doesn't play Third Downs 
or even fourth or fifth, I mean 

1897
01:43:02,300 --> 01:43:08,300
becomes Josh Jacobs but it's a 
guy who has a full faith 

1898
01:43:08,300 --> 01:43:11,600
position on to mixing this is 
pretty great. 

1899
01:43:14,200 --> 01:43:16,600
But with Evans, right? 
You have the situation where as 

1900
01:43:16,600 --> 01:43:19,400
soon as that comes out, then 
everybody is drafting in in the 

1901
01:43:19,400 --> 01:43:21,500
15th round and you can 
understand why. 

1902
01:43:21,600 --> 01:43:24,600
And then they come out and say 
Look, he's got a ways to go, you

1903
01:43:24,600 --> 01:43:27,100
know, it's the quintessential, 
Roadshow quotes. 

1904
01:43:27,100 --> 01:43:30,900
Like he's got a lot to work on 
and then he drops out of the 

1905
01:43:30,900 --> 01:43:34,800
draft entirely again. 
The best part of it is tricky 

1906
01:43:34,800 --> 01:43:39,900
because again, you just you have
to be very aware of how you're 

1907
01:43:39,900 --> 01:43:42,100
conserving every pick that you 
have. 

1908
01:43:42,100 --> 01:43:44,600
And there are some other ways to
play things that are maybe not 

1909
01:43:44,600 --> 01:43:47,000
as risky. 
You can maximize all of those 

1910
01:43:47,000 --> 01:43:53,000
draft picks in redraft though 
where you actually want to take 

1911
01:43:53,000 --> 01:43:55,700
some big risks at running back 
because you are going to turn 

1912
01:43:55,700 --> 01:43:58,200
you know if you get into the 
situation where you actually 

1913
01:43:58,208 --> 01:44:00,600
feel like you have to keep every
player on your roster, you won't

1914
01:44:00,600 --> 01:44:02,900
be aggressive enough in the 
first three or four weeks. 

1915
01:44:02,900 --> 01:44:05,500
Weeks of free agency and you'll 
miss out on these guys who maybe

1916
01:44:05,500 --> 01:44:07,100
they don't become League 
winners, but they will 

1917
01:44:07,100 --> 01:44:09,500
contribute to your team. 
So even just sort of 

1918
01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:11,900
psychologically even set 
yourself up into a little bit 

1919
01:44:11,900 --> 01:44:14,800
better position by taking some 
guys who are just pure 

1920
01:44:14,800 --> 01:44:16,900
contingent. 
That's not anything to where 

1921
01:44:16,900 --> 01:44:21,900
they're going to have a week. 
One roll, the Bengals are such a

1922
01:44:21,900 --> 01:44:25,000
high scoring team. 
Such a good offense, you should 

1923
01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:26,200
have some exposure to those 
players. 

1924
01:44:26,200 --> 01:44:28,200
Even if the coach is saying, 
look this guy is third-string, 

1925
01:44:28,200 --> 01:44:31,000
especially if he's athletic. 
If you could catch the ball, one

1926
01:44:31,000 --> 01:44:32,800
of the things that we've seen 
this season, I think. 

1927
01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:36,900
Is that there are pass catchers 
you talk about Trends and how 

1928
01:44:36,900 --> 01:44:40,800
fantasy has evolved. 
And it just seems so crazy to me

1929
01:44:40,800 --> 01:44:44,300
that I'm seeing some spots in 
drafts, where I actually think 

1930
01:44:44,300 --> 01:44:46,400
the past catching backs are 
overvalued. 

1931
01:44:46,400 --> 01:44:49,100
I mean, that's how much we've 
come around to people 

1932
01:44:49,100 --> 01:44:51,900
understanding how running backs,
actually score. 

1933
01:44:52,400 --> 01:44:55,800
And so if there are some 
players, you'd like to be on who

1934
01:44:55,800 --> 01:44:58,600
were overvalued but there are 
players in explosive offenses 

1935
01:44:58,600 --> 01:45:01,000
even if they are the third 
Stringer who could be big-time 

1936
01:45:01,000 --> 01:45:04,000
players in redraft where you Can
just cut them. 

1937
01:45:04,800 --> 01:45:08,100
You want to have some exposure, 
came real quickly. 

1938
01:45:08,100 --> 01:45:12,400
Here is I think I know one of 
the players. 

1939
01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:17,000
Sean was referencing go correct.
I will basically send a quick 

1940
01:45:17,000 --> 01:45:21,800
observation do it. 
All right, sorry I'm getting the

1941
01:45:21,800 --> 01:45:24,900
sense from hearings on talk 
about the difference between 

1942
01:45:24,900 --> 01:45:28,200
best ball and redraft was kind 
of these War a war. 

1943
01:45:28,200 --> 01:45:30,800
In the streets, one of the the 
various Anchorman fights that 

1944
01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:36,800
we're having on Twitter, Sean is
Advance rate Bros just trying to

1945
01:45:36,800 --> 01:45:41,600
get these teams to the playoffs 
and playoff trying to maximize 

1946
01:45:41,600 --> 01:45:44,100
our teams trying to take big 
swings in these 20. 

1947
01:45:45,300 --> 01:45:47,200
I think you might be an 
advanced, right, bro? 

1948
01:45:47,200 --> 01:45:50,000
Which is like, kind of shocking.
To me, is, is like, you know, 

1949
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:53,300
you're the contrarian, the 
contingent value kind of Guru, 

1950
01:45:53,300 --> 01:45:56,200
but it seems like you're just 
trying to get usable weeks, not 

1951
01:45:56,200 --> 01:45:58,300
take zeros get these teams to 
the playoffs here. 

1952
01:46:04,700 --> 01:46:08,500
I've quite know what Sean wants 
to say Sean is I'm going to 

1953
01:46:08,500 --> 01:46:11,400
build the super team that wins 
the million dollar regular 

1954
01:46:11,400 --> 01:46:14,200
season prize and then also 
competes in weeks of it to 

1955
01:46:19,900 --> 01:46:21,700
himself but that that is his 
goal. 

1956
01:46:23,300 --> 01:46:24,700
And that should be our goal, 
right? 

1957
01:46:24,700 --> 01:46:28,000
I mean, to win, both should be 
our goal. 

1958
01:46:29,400 --> 01:46:33,100
No, I do think that. 
But I guess, maybe where that's 

1959
01:46:33,100 --> 01:46:37,300
different though is that you're 
also still willing to take the 

1960
01:46:37,300 --> 01:46:40,800
biggest swings possible and you 
might have teams that finish in 

1961
01:46:40,800 --> 01:46:43,500
last place in your league 
because the swings you're taking

1962
01:46:43,500 --> 01:46:48,200
are so big right and that I 
think sometimes maybe the 

1963
01:46:48,200 --> 01:46:52,000
advancement rate stuff gets 
conflated with playing it safe 

1964
01:46:52,200 --> 01:46:55,300
and I don't think I would 
characterize how sean drafts as 

1965
01:46:55,300 --> 01:46:56,900
playing it safe. 
But it is an interesting 

1966
01:46:56,900 --> 01:46:58,700
distinction. 
I've noticed that to path and I 

1967
01:46:58,708 --> 01:47:00,300
was this guy. 
I was going to point out, Sean, 

1968
01:47:00,300 --> 01:47:01,800
having looked at your rankings 
that I can tell. 

1969
01:47:01,800 --> 01:47:04,300
The market is higher on it 
actually surprised me when I saw

1970
01:47:04,300 --> 01:47:08,200
your ranking was on naheem Hines
because he had been kind of a 

1971
01:47:08,200 --> 01:47:10,500
poster boy for this past 
catching up side. 

1972
01:47:10,500 --> 01:47:12,800
He's got a little juice in him. 
We know he can break off the big

1973
01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:16,400
play. 
What makes you like have gained 

1974
01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:18,900
well and say a higher tier than 
I he Minds. 

1975
01:47:23,600 --> 01:47:26,300
There are a number of backs, I 
think with similar prices that 

1976
01:47:26,300 --> 01:47:29,600
you could make even a bigger 
case for, in terms of just how 

1977
01:47:29,600 --> 01:47:32,700
huge they could be. 
And one of the things I've 

1978
01:47:32,700 --> 01:47:35,300
always talked about what 0r B, 
especially for redraft, is to 

1979
01:47:35,300 --> 01:47:41,600
have this balance of the 
big-time breakout Stars, the 

1980
01:47:42,000 --> 01:47:46,600
past catching backs, and the 
guys, with Standalone value, who

1981
01:47:46,600 --> 01:47:50,500
then would become bigger pieces 
of the offense, if the starter 

1982
01:47:50,500 --> 01:47:51,900
got hurt. 
Obviously, you're not rooting 

1983
01:47:51,900 --> 01:47:52,800
for that. 
But you know that there are 

1984
01:47:52,800 --> 01:47:56,900
going Injuries in some ways I 
think that because of the 

1985
01:47:56,900 --> 01:48:00,100
particular profiles that were 
looking at right now. 

1986
01:48:00,100 --> 01:48:05,000
I'm moving a little bit more in 
the direction of this 

1987
01:48:05,000 --> 01:48:09,300
combination of sort of 
stand-alone value / almost 

1988
01:48:09,300 --> 01:48:14,900
entirely breakout Stars so that 
we can maximize our exposure to 

1989
01:48:15,500 --> 01:48:18,600
their shot Penny, the Devin 
Singletary, all of that type of 

1990
01:48:18,600 --> 01:48:20,300
player, it doesn't mean that 
there wouldn't be some times 

1991
01:48:20,300 --> 01:48:24,000
where it came up and you might 
want to have of a player that 

1992
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:25,900
can help you get across the 
first month. 

1993
01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:27,900
Although I do think, that's one 
of the things that's changed is 

1994
01:48:27,900 --> 01:48:31,800
that in many ways you are be has
just gotten so easy now and that

1995
01:48:31,800 --> 01:48:36,000
you do have just so many options
late that you're not even having

1996
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:39,500
to worry about that first month 
and trying to claw back when you

1997
01:48:39,508 --> 01:48:44,200
can lead start to finish with 
these 0rp teams because you have

1998
01:48:44,400 --> 01:48:48,400
all of that wide receiver Flex 
tight end, Elite QB. 

1999
01:48:48,500 --> 01:48:50,600
And then the guys that you end 
up at running back are still 

2000
01:48:50,600 --> 01:48:53,700
fine to get you through the 
first month and We're not going 

2001
01:48:53,700 --> 01:48:58,600
to have a season like 2021 all 
the time to have so many massive

2002
01:48:58,600 --> 01:49:01,400
performances both in the regular
season with guys, like for net 

2003
01:49:01,400 --> 01:49:03,500
and Connor and cordial, 
Patterson. 

2004
01:49:03,700 --> 01:49:07,300
And then in the postseason with 
Michelle and Penny and 

2005
01:49:07,300 --> 01:49:10,500
Singletary, we shouldn't expect 
that to be the case in 2022. 

2006
01:49:10,700 --> 01:49:13,500
But I think there are a lot of 
profiles and a lot of intriguing

2007
01:49:13,500 --> 01:49:16,100
backs in the second half of 
drafts to wear. 

2008
01:49:16,100 --> 01:49:18,600
Even if it's not that many, you 
can still put together teams 

2009
01:49:18,600 --> 01:49:21,900
that have multiple guys, who 
will be big-time scorers in the 

2010
01:49:21,900 --> 01:49:26,500
fantasy playoffs. 
That makes sense. 

2011
01:49:26,800 --> 01:49:30,800
We're so I've noticed in the 
round, nine range. 

2012
01:49:31,900 --> 01:49:33,400
I feel like the round nine 
range. 

2013
01:49:33,400 --> 01:49:35,800
This year. 
I'm thinking kind of more best 

2014
01:49:35,800 --> 01:49:38,000
ball drops right now because 
that range get pushed up a 

2015
01:49:38,008 --> 01:49:41,400
little bit and ffp, see, but 
that feels like pretty juicy to 

2016
01:49:41,400 --> 01:49:45,100
me were, I don't remember it 
feeling quite as good last year.

2017
01:49:45,100 --> 01:49:47,500
My dream Stephenson is in that 
range. 

2018
01:49:47,500 --> 01:49:52,800
You're getting guys push down. 
Like even a CH I've that's like 

2019
01:49:52,800 --> 01:49:55,100
one of the guys are like, I'm 
not taking a CH and then CH 

2020
01:49:55,100 --> 01:49:56,900
Falls. 
Until like the, you know, past 

2021
01:49:56,900 --> 01:49:59,000
Pick 100 or something. 
It's like I'll take I'll take 

2022
01:49:59,000 --> 01:50:00,800
him here. 
So there's guys that Coral, 

2023
01:50:00,800 --> 01:50:04,600
Patterson James Cook Devin 
Singletary. 

2024
01:50:05,300 --> 01:50:07,900
Damien Harris, now falling 
behind reminder Stevenson 

2025
01:50:07,900 --> 01:50:11,700
number, these leaks. 
So there's lots of guys and, you

2026
01:50:11,700 --> 01:50:14,500
know, sometimes you'll see like,
like Jacobs fell to the eighth 

2027
01:50:14,500 --> 01:50:16,200
and in the ship, this thing, 
Avalanche draft. 

2028
01:50:16,200 --> 01:50:18,400
So you know you'll see some of 
the Dead Zone guys, slip, pretty

2029
01:50:18,400 --> 01:50:21,100
far. 
How are you playing that section

2030
01:50:21,100 --> 01:50:23,400
of the job? 
Because that, that feels like 

2031
01:50:23,400 --> 01:50:25,400
pretty critical 20 running back 
builds right now. 

2032
01:50:27,200 --> 01:50:30,400
There are a lot of guys their 
the one back field that is is 

2033
01:50:30,400 --> 01:50:33,300
odd and frustrating to me 
because I'd love to have some 

2034
01:50:33,300 --> 01:50:36,600
exposure but just so expensive 
are the Packers and so you're 

2035
01:50:36,900 --> 01:50:41,000
you're really having to draft 
with an injury and a, not all of

2036
01:50:41,000 --> 01:50:45,100
it for sure, but a big chunk of 
the value you would gain from an

2037
01:50:45,100 --> 01:50:49,200
injury already priced in. 
But other than that, I mean you 

2038
01:50:49,200 --> 01:50:51,600
just have so many opportunities 
to choose from and one of the 

2039
01:50:51,608 --> 01:50:55,400
things that I'm frustrated with 
As it relates to sort of the 

2040
01:50:55,400 --> 01:51:00,000
Zack Moss stuff in the James 
Cook stuff is that it's going to

2041
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:02,600
be harder to get cook as he goes
up. 

2042
01:51:03,800 --> 01:51:07,600
Because he's not being hit by 
that part of it seemingly. 

2043
01:51:08,200 --> 01:51:12,900
And yet I mean for a Singletary 
drafter you don't want to act 

2044
01:51:12,900 --> 01:51:16,500
like there's not more risk now 
or that, you know, all I'm still

2045
01:51:16,500 --> 01:51:23,000
going to be right in terms of my
June, take on this backfield. 

2046
01:51:23,300 --> 01:51:26,500
You're going to move with some 
of the developments and how your

2047
01:51:26,500 --> 01:51:28,100
prices be a little bit 
different. 

2048
01:51:28,200 --> 01:51:32,100
But one of the things that's 
great about 20 22 is that just 

2049
01:51:32,100 --> 01:51:34,600
even kind of in the last week. 
In terms of what the movement 

2050
01:51:34,600 --> 01:51:37,700
has been with Singletary. 
He's priced in a Range where if 

2051
01:51:37,700 --> 01:51:41,400
he were the pure back up, that 
would be a good price and that's

2052
01:51:42,000 --> 01:51:45,300
probably not the case, right? 
I mean maybe it is and maybe 

2053
01:51:45,300 --> 01:51:47,700
James Cook will be that good. 
Maybe Zack Moss, will take some 

2054
01:51:47,700 --> 01:51:50,500
goal, line work and maybe 
Singletary will go right back to

2055
01:51:50,500 --> 01:51:54,000
what he was before the last 
month of the season last year. 

2056
01:51:54,500 --> 01:51:57,500
But because Singletary himself 
is good and because the bills 

2057
01:51:57,500 --> 01:52:00,200
were so good with him. 
I mean, I'll be a little bit 

2058
01:52:00,200 --> 01:52:03,000
surprised that that happens but 
the good part about it. 

2059
01:52:03,000 --> 01:52:06,100
And the reason That 0r b works. 
Is that you can make those pics 

2060
01:52:06,200 --> 01:52:09,300
and if you're wrong, your team 
still going to be good because 

2061
01:52:09,300 --> 01:52:13,400
you have some other guys. 
Yep. 

2062
01:52:16,200 --> 01:52:19,800
This is, we can do this question
here, from Gem City Gridiron. 

2063
01:52:19,800 --> 01:52:22,800
I'm curious as well. 
Shawn he says, thoughts on how 

2064
01:52:22,800 --> 01:52:27,400
you think about 0r B in baseball
versus redraft and then he adds 

2065
01:52:27,400 --> 01:52:29,700
on which one would you be 
willing to push further? 

2066
01:52:31,400 --> 01:52:33,600
We'll all of our information 
from the roster construction. 

2067
01:52:33,600 --> 01:52:38,200
Explorers gives you a good feel 
for just how far you can 

2068
01:52:38,200 --> 01:52:41,500
legitimately push it in best 
ball and because you're not 

2069
01:52:41,500 --> 01:52:46,200
going to be able to To change a 
roster, you do need to have some

2070
01:52:46,200 --> 01:52:50,200
specific. 
Positional allocations at 

2071
01:52:50,200 --> 01:52:53,300
different points in the draft. 
And then overall, your win rates

2072
01:52:53,300 --> 01:52:58,000
are just going to be much better
if you hit the ideal builds and 

2073
01:52:58,000 --> 01:53:00,200
much worse if you try and go 
crazy and try and do something 

2074
01:53:00,200 --> 01:53:02,900
that you're thinking, well this 
hasn't been done before you'd 

2075
01:53:02,900 --> 01:53:06,300
have to have just an incredibly 
pure and lucky run to make those

2076
01:53:06,300 --> 01:53:09,800
kinds of things work. 
Whereas in redraft, you can push

2077
01:53:09,800 --> 01:53:14,000
it a long, long way and Blair, 
and I drafted, a team, a couple 

2078
01:53:14,000 --> 01:53:16,400
of years ago, that didn't take a
running back in the first 10 

2079
01:53:16,400 --> 01:53:19,100
rounds and I mean, we were 
lucky, anytime you finished or 

2080
01:53:19,100 --> 01:53:22,200
the top, you're lucky, but we 
finished 31st overall because 

2081
01:53:22,700 --> 01:53:26,900
that type of thing in FF PC with
the double Flex, with the fire 

2082
01:53:26,900 --> 01:53:30,700
power, you get from receivers 
with your ability, to let your 

2083
01:53:31,200 --> 01:53:34,500
roster improve and enrich itself
during the course of the year. 

2084
01:53:35,500 --> 01:53:37,500
The team can just end up very, 
very good. 

2085
01:53:37,700 --> 01:53:40,400
And so, and that's the nice 
thing about Drafting and 

2086
01:53:40,400 --> 01:53:42,200
redraft, as you just don't have 
to worry about it, we're 

2087
01:53:42,200 --> 01:53:45,300
invested all you have to 
actually employ some discipline 

2088
01:53:45,300 --> 01:53:48,000
and start taking some of those 
other players at the points, 

2089
01:53:48,000 --> 01:53:52,100
where it just makes sense. 
And structurally is the dictated

2090
01:53:52,100 --> 01:53:56,800
dictated play. 
For sure, have you done? 

2091
01:53:57,100 --> 01:54:00,000
I don't know I guess I've seen 
I'm not sure have you written up

2092
01:54:00,000 --> 01:54:03,500
a 0 RB article on a underdog 
team. 

2093
01:54:03,500 --> 01:54:08,100
You've done, thank you, I did I.
Okay, one of the things we've 

2094
01:54:08,100 --> 01:54:11,700
been trying to do is to kind of 
meld the stuff from the roster 

2095
01:54:11,700 --> 01:54:14,500
construction explorers with 
actual drafts. 

2096
01:54:14,500 --> 01:54:19,000
And so, Listeners and readers 
don't necessarily like have to 

2097
01:54:19,000 --> 01:54:21,900
like that draft. 
But I do try and give sort of a 

2098
01:54:21,900 --> 01:54:24,900
blueprint for at least how I'm 
doing it with. 

2099
01:54:24,900 --> 01:54:27,100
Then the other things, Connor 
O'Driscoll has put together 

2100
01:54:27,100 --> 01:54:31,900
these fantastic articles on how 
to do hyper fragile, how to do 

2101
01:54:31,900 --> 01:54:35,900
0r B, how to do anchor running 
back and I've written some 

2102
01:54:35,900 --> 01:54:38,900
pieces using some of his works 
and stuff from the Russia 

2103
01:54:38,900 --> 01:54:42,200
construction explore and then my
drafts to illustrate how I would

2104
01:54:42,200 --> 01:54:45,700
do an extreme anchor, how it 
would do a 0 RB Dream Team. 

2105
01:54:45,900 --> 01:54:51,200
Team, how I would do an upgraded
hyper fragile, which just add 

2106
01:54:51,200 --> 01:54:53,500
upgrade to anything, and it's 
going to be better, right? 

2107
01:54:54,500 --> 01:54:59,500
Yeah and I do think though those
articles to do really illustrate

2108
01:54:59,500 --> 01:55:02,700
the power of stacking small 
edges, right? 

2109
01:55:02,700 --> 01:55:07,000
And you look and and one of 
Connor's articles that he wrote 

2110
01:55:07,000 --> 01:55:09,200
to of how it's like not even 
that hard to actually get 

2111
01:55:09,200 --> 01:55:10,900
unique. 
I think sometimes we get in this

2112
01:55:10,900 --> 01:55:13,800
Echo chamber and it seems like 
we're all doing the same things 

2113
01:55:13,800 --> 01:55:16,700
and that these edges are gone. 
But you could look at the 

2114
01:55:16,700 --> 01:55:21,400
combination of 0r B with Elite 
tight end with two cubes in the 

2115
01:55:21,407 --> 01:55:25,600
window and have like a 0.48%. 
Realization rate last year in 

2116
01:55:25,600 --> 01:55:28,200
Basketball Mania to. 
And so, if you are continually 

2117
01:55:28,200 --> 01:55:33,300
stacking, these small edges, you
really can build super teams 

2118
01:55:33,300 --> 01:55:36,900
that are also structurally, very
unique and naturally put you on 

2119
01:55:36,900 --> 01:55:40,300
different combinations to, if 
you're fortunate enough to get 

2120
01:55:40,300 --> 01:55:42,600
into the playoffs and I mean, 
Gracchus talked about it, with 

2121
01:55:42,600 --> 01:55:45,500
our buying 14, to like it wasn't
a good team. 

2122
01:55:45,500 --> 01:55:48,200
Like, it wasn't even that good 
of an team had like a few good 

2123
01:55:48,200 --> 01:55:51,700
superstars on it, but it was the
structure, it was the uniqueness

2124
01:55:51,700 --> 01:55:54,100
and like it was just a bunch of 
combination. 

2125
01:55:54,200 --> 01:55:57,600
Of small edges that were able to
get it to that point. 

2126
01:55:57,600 --> 01:56:00,800
So I think that's always a good 
thing to remember, is the 

2127
01:56:00,800 --> 01:56:02,900
biggest compliment I could have.
No, it is. 

2128
01:56:02,900 --> 01:56:05,000
I look at it, too, and I'm 
always like stunned. 

2129
01:56:05,000 --> 01:56:07,700
I love how it could get there. 
And I'm, I also feel fortunate 

2130
01:56:07,700 --> 01:56:10,400
That We snuck it through last 
things, you can control those 

2131
01:56:10,400 --> 01:56:12,800
things, you can control the 
stuff that you guys can control 

2132
01:56:12,800 --> 01:56:15,500
you obviously executed as well 
as you possibly can to. 

2133
01:56:15,500 --> 01:56:20,100
I mean, it's a, it's just a like
one of the best draft of all 

2134
01:56:20,100 --> 01:56:21,600
time. 
Let's see, I mentioned it. 

2135
01:56:21,600 --> 01:56:24,100
Last time we talked about is 
just that team's been doing lat.

2136
01:56:24,200 --> 01:56:25,700
Right head. 
All right about it soon. 

2137
01:56:25,700 --> 01:56:28,800
Enough Goose, we appreciate 
this. 

2138
01:56:28,800 --> 01:56:30,300
Two hours of amazing 
information. 

2139
01:56:30,300 --> 01:56:32,900
Appreciate you guys. 
We appreciate you guys. 

2140
01:56:32,900 --> 01:56:36,100
We appreciate Sean lending us 
his time. 

2141
01:56:36,100 --> 01:56:39,800
It is always such a treat to get
to listen to Sean, talk about 

2142
01:56:39,800 --> 01:56:41,400
fantasy football, to read a 
stop. 

2143
01:56:41,400 --> 01:56:45,600
To listen to him with Ben and 
with column, and it's just it's 

2144
01:56:45,600 --> 01:56:48,100
so fun. 
You make fantasy football, fun. 

2145
01:56:48,200 --> 01:56:52,700
You help us discover these edges
that we can push and and all 

2146
01:56:52,700 --> 01:56:55,700
have really successful years. 
Sean, thank you again for 

2147
01:56:55,700 --> 01:56:58,600
joining us tonight. 
Well, it's been awesome, and 

2148
01:56:58,700 --> 01:57:01,900
thank you for having me. 
As I pointed out, when we had 

2149
01:57:01,900 --> 01:57:06,700
you on some shows in my thesis, 
that Peter overs, that rules the

2150
01:57:06,700 --> 01:57:10,200
world is proved more and more 
accurate every day. 

2151
01:57:10,400 --> 01:57:12,800
I do want to mention that you 
had the Fantastic series with 

2152
01:57:12,800 --> 01:57:16,000
Michael do neuron best ball and 
he is going to have an article 

2153
01:57:16,000 --> 01:57:19,200
called the best ball Bible 
coming out in the next handful 

2154
01:57:19,200 --> 01:57:21,700
of days. 
His work is fantastic. 

2155
01:57:21,700 --> 01:57:23,100
Make sure you look for that over
to the pissed. 

2156
01:57:23,900 --> 01:57:26,800
Yeah, make sure you're 
subscribed Road of is basically 

2157
01:57:26,800 --> 01:57:29,100
no matter what I mean, you can 
read all Sean stuff to there's 

2158
01:57:29,100 --> 01:57:30,700
so much good stuff over there 
though. 

2159
01:57:30,800 --> 01:57:34,800
I also for the FPC Command 
Center which is like we use that

2160
01:57:34,800 --> 01:57:37,000
every single day event draft 
that we do. 

2161
01:57:37,000 --> 01:57:41,300
So yeah, fit as we move from 
best fall season to redraft 

2162
01:57:41,300 --> 01:57:42,900
season. 
You're still going to need that 

2163
01:57:42,900 --> 01:57:45,700
rid of it. 
So yeah, I mean we say it every 

2164
01:57:45,700 --> 01:57:48,700
year I am not on the road of his
payroll. 

2165
01:57:49,200 --> 01:57:51,500
I don't have an affiliate link, 
how there's not a promo code 

2166
01:57:51,508 --> 01:57:53,900
Pete for wrote of his. 
I don't know and I will tell you

2167
01:57:53,900 --> 01:57:56,100
You. 
It is the best bang for your 

2168
01:57:56,100 --> 01:57:58,400
buck subscription in the entire 
world. 

2169
01:57:58,400 --> 01:58:01,000
If you said Peter, you can only 
have access to one fantasy 

2170
01:58:01,000 --> 01:58:02,500
subscription for the rest of 
your life. 

2171
01:58:02,600 --> 01:58:04,700
I would pick Roto Biz and I'm 
not bullshitting. 

2172
01:58:04,700 --> 01:58:06,500
It's that good. 
Sean's, that good. 

2173
01:58:06,500 --> 01:58:08,900
The guys over there, are that 
good shot? 

2174
01:58:08,900 --> 01:58:12,600
I don't know if I'd Dave told 
you this weekend, I was drafting

2175
01:58:12,600 --> 01:58:15,100
in Boston. 
The Boston Beantown brawl and 

2176
01:58:15,100 --> 01:58:18,200
Dave was right next to me and I 
was having to leave and he's 

2177
01:58:18,200 --> 01:58:19,400
like, what he's like, what is 
that? 

2178
01:58:19,400 --> 01:58:22,300
Cheat sheet you're using and 
he's like it looks familiar. 

2179
01:58:22,300 --> 01:58:23,700
I was like oh these are Sean's 
tears. 

2180
01:58:23,900 --> 01:58:25,200
He's like oh yeah I helped make 
those. 

2181
01:58:25,200 --> 01:58:29,700
I was like yeah that's why it 
looks sillier looks familiar to 

2182
01:58:29,700 --> 01:58:31,400
you. 
So yeah I can't say enough good 

2183
01:58:31,400 --> 01:58:33,800
stuff about what you guys are 
doing and in seriously if you're

2184
01:58:33,808 --> 01:58:36,800
somehow watching this show and 
not reading Sean and listening 

2185
01:58:36,800 --> 01:58:39,000
to them and subscribing to all 
the great work over at Road of 

2186
01:58:39,008 --> 01:58:41,400
is you are legitimately doing it
wrong. 

2187
01:58:41,400 --> 01:58:44,400
I also want to plug Pat's 
massive best ball article that 

2188
01:58:44,400 --> 01:58:48,600
went up today on NBC Sports 
Edge, kind of building on all of

2189
01:58:48,600 --> 01:58:51,800
these Concepts. 
Pat does just like a phenomenal 

2190
01:58:51,800 --> 01:58:53,800
job of like ingesting. 
All of this information. 

2191
01:58:53,900 --> 01:58:56,800
Action in the Discord and then 
really pushing it forward. 

2192
01:58:56,800 --> 01:58:59,600
With some really cool research 
on, you know, how to optimize 

2193
01:58:59,600 --> 01:59:01,800
for winning these best ball. / 
tournaments is there, is there 

2194
01:59:01,800 --> 01:59:03,400
anything else I didn't mention 
about that? 

2195
01:59:03,400 --> 01:59:05,300
Because it was a, it was an 
awesome article. 

2196
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Well oh just say it relies 
heavily on the road of his 

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roster construction. 
Explore it references. 

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It's going to be two part 
series. 

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There will be a second part 
coming out on quarterbacks that 

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is going to reference a lot of 
the work that Sean has done on 

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the quarterback window and how 
important it is to, you know, 

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structurally build your team. 
On the quarterback position but 

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also reference is work by kind 
of Driscoll. 

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S can Park Madison Park Hill, 
Michael to dinner. 

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So you know, the road of is the 
red part of his body of work on 

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best ball. 
Kind of help get me there. 

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Gretch, I just finished 
listening to your guys's 

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projection series with Leone. 
I had been savoring those who 

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listen to my last one, the NFC 
South the other day. 

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I do consider that to be a must 
listen to get ready for this 

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final stretch of drafts, you've 
got post coming out, I've been 

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enjoying your divisional posts 
on the sub stack, anything else 

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people can look forward to from 
from your direction? 

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Lot of writing on the sub stack 
and I was mentioned earlier, we 

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got the moon shot record A few 
really good shows if you like 

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the projection shows. 
We went through my projections a

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little but Sean pick through my 
projections in my rankings. 

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Pretty good basically said all 
the spots that he thought my 

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rankings were wrong. 
It's kind of like the meanest 

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Sean's. 
Ever been honest three-part sort

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of series. 
I guess that I think the first 

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time maybe ever dropped her 
probably drop today and my only 

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real question was about his 
briefs Hall, Target tool. 

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That was not your only question.
That was a question, but then 

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the second one I mentioned was 
all about the top five tight 

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ends. 
It was a real big deep, dive on 

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that tease out a little bit 
earlier. 

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That's a good good episode as 
well. 

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Be a lot of fun yesterday 
recording, multiple episodes 

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that I would look out for from 
stealing bananas. 

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Yeah. 
And as you guys saw on the 

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schedule, this was a show. 
We absolutely were looking 

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forward to and had to get in 
before we went into straight 

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drafting mode. 
We posted the schedule on 

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Twitter. 
In the Discord, all that good 

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stuff. 
If you guys want to join the 

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Discord Community, highly 
recommend it, you become a 

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02:01:13,308 --> 02:01:16,800
YouTube member and then you get 
access to that Discord, all 

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kinds of strategy talk going on 
in there and also planning for 

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our Vegas trips. 
But yes, these next few weeks 

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are going to be awesome. 
Drafts on Wednesdays and 

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Thursdays. 
We even have one on a Friday 

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thrown in there or drafting with
crack rock with Sean with Davis 

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Matic with Hassan and Blair from
Roto Biz and of course a bunch 

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of our VIPs as well. 
So Just super stoked for this 

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next month, we appreciate all of
you ship Chasers. 

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I feel like we're going to all 
have a massive year in these 

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contests. 
Someone from the road of is, and

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shift, JC Community, is going to
be taken down one of these big 

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prizes. 
I absolutely can't wait, so, for

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Pat for grach, I'm Pete. 
And this is Sean Siegel, the 

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best in the biz will see you 
guys next time.