Good morning from sunny Buffalo. I'm Mike Schoke.
Thanks for being with us. ADP chasing.
A lot has happened in our heroes worlds since we last convened a
week ago. Jacob has kicked off.
I believe the number was 63 rookie drafts.
We'll find out if that's a real number.
It's amazing. You can also.
He also called it his favorite time of the year, and that's not
only because he can probably smell the Stanley Cup out there
in Western Canada. The Leafs up 1.
Nothing in Round 2. Davis has created the slap kick.
slappy.org.gov. I don't know whatever that is.
That's got his, you know, 250 and counting best ball drafts in
the bank already pushing out rankings and articles and
raising an infant. We're we're told we can hear a
child talking and, you know, crying in the background.
We've never met her. Welcome to the show.
Some call Legendary upside only with Mike Shope on it.
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Streamers that set the market and the slappies that chase it.
These are their stories. You guys can't say I don't
consume your content. True.
That's true. Yeah.
Although we're consumed, the people have met Vivian many
times. So you're not consuming at all.
You're not a completionist, clearly.
Have they all right? I missed.
I missed those. Plural episodes.
There's times where like it's more like I've got a, you can't
take care of her for a second. So I'm like, all right, you're
coming on stream. I know that was it last Friday,
whatever day it was last week on your pod that you were almost
driven to drink a morning beer based on the conversation the
others were having. My question is, I mean, this has
probably happened. Davis is not a drinker.
I don't know about Jacob, but maybe Pat, like you wake up the
the next morning, maybe it's a Saturday morning and there's a
beer or I'm more of like wine slash cocktails.
Like there's a drink that's still not fully consumed from
the night before on the table and like what do you do with it?
Are you guys dump it or down it? It depends on scenario.
Like if I'm safely in the privacy of my own home, that's
that's going to be, it's going to be a dump.
If it's like, if it's like a brown liquor situation, if
that's like whiskey fest Scotch, I think like honestly, I'm
probably pouring that back into the bottle.
It's just straight. If it's neat, I got to
acknowledge that. I didn't expect that.
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have to recycle brown liquor anymore.
I did not have porridge back into the bottle.
On the rock. On the rocks, no.
But me, you can absolutely. You can absolutely make it work.
If you're like having weekend with the boys, you just got to
drink it. You're just getting started.
Sure that that's a different situation.
If you're like, what was the plan for that day?
Is the plan to like go back out? Were you about to do someday
drinking? Like OK. 36 holes.
By and large, I've never been a big hair of the dog guy, which I
feel like it works right, but it's just I there's something
about it when you wake up and you're like the pain that I'm
feeling, it's caused by that. I'm not putting.
It in me, you know. I never thought about pouring it
back in. Sometimes, you know, you might
hide it in a section of the house where you know, just I'm
saving that for later or, you know, taking it to the golf
course, of course, is a a move. That feels, that feels more
logical than pouring it back in the bottle and contaminating.
What are you taking it in the sand?
It's just walking around the glass.
Just put it you know. Put it where you know it it
belongs. Put it where it belongs.
If I sometimes sometimes I'll have two diet cokes with dinner
instead of 1 and I won't finish the second one that just goes in
the refrigerator. I'll drink it the next I'll.
Drink it. Wait, that's carbonated?
You drinking flat Coke the next day?
It's gross. That's grosser than what Jacob
said. Waste not.
Waste not, want not. That's all I.
Was waste. There there are only there.
Is a waste. That's a waste of your time.
There are only. Soft policy.
It's not, it's not sunk. I'm fine with it.
I just my body. That is the that is the still
drafting Kyle Pitts in 2020. Five of freaking, and I'm still
doing that, too. I'm all the way back in, Zach
Robinson said. You know, other than the fact
that he needs to work on his speed, his attention to detail,
his knowledge of the playbook, his relationship with the
quarterback. We are expecting a breakout
season from Kyle Pitts. That's me with the flat Diet
Coke. 14 hours. Your, your, your, your Diet Coke
is an 11th round pick. It's a $2.00, you know, 2 liter
Jacobs Glenn Livett is a $60.00 bottle.
Of course he's not going to just throw it out.
So, you know, it's, that's a first round pick.
You got to put that somewhere. Here's what you guys are not
understanding. My wife mostly does the grocery
shopping, I would say like 8020. She's kind of in charge of it
and she does not buy soda at all, no Diet Coke.
OK, so this is like a treat. So it's it's not maybe not a
treat, but it's like if I run out, I'm going to be out for a
week 'cause I'm not going to go to the store just.
The bubbles are the it's not the coke anymore.
Once the bubbles are gone, it's just it's just a syrup with
chemicals in it. It's just aspartame, really.
It's just brown. It's just brown aspartame.
I mean, I'm not saying, I'm not saying it's good, but I'm just
telling you that does happen. What do you what, how do you
consume it? Like are you you just pop it in
the morning and like like a cup of coffee you're drinking or are
you? Drinking.
No, I'll, I'll have it like when I come up for my chicken and
rice for like if I had one in the fridge after this.
I see after we do this wool cast, I'd go up and I'd go
microwave my dinner, put my dinner, you know, or my lunch or
whatever. And just, you know, I got 3 or 4
sips there. Great, great lunch here.
For the Simpson flat Diet Coke, so good.
I'd like to I mean risk withstanding, but have a sort of
a a duel between drinking and or pat drinking that flat Diet Coke
from the day before versus Davis drinking the Scotch and like
whose fate more contorted while doing doing so, just like the
face I would have to make drinking that quote.
Pat, remove the scrolling. Yeah.
I'm called. Best ball breakfast?
You don't think I'm trying brother?
This this is a very non breakfast the conversation so
far. Well, I do want to say 1.
Their content. One more thing about one more
thing about the show on legendary upside was I've never,
I felt like related to Davis more than one thing, he said on
that show. He was questioned about his you
guys questioned him about his rankings and like right away
early in the show, you're like, you would actually wait, you
would actually on the clock. You would actually make this
pick. Was it sequel?
I think we asserted that he was lying.
OK, I think we. I think we just, and I and I
admitted it. I admitted it immediately.
But as Shope is about to say, he knows there is a difference
between knowing what is right and knowing what you would do.
Yes, like what is? Right, pouring out the Diet
Coke. And what you would do is
bringing the Diet Coke to the power of the bridge.
These rankings are for normal, well adjusted people.
I'm giving my professional advice in my case, Davis said.
I just can't help myself. And so yesterday in our in the
Deposit Kingdom discord, there was a question about a guy asked
for advice in a Super Flex league, you know, rookie draft
picking between Cam Ward and Travis Hunter.
And he said, my only quarterback is JJ McCarthy.
What would what should I do? And Steph Miller and a few
people came up, you know, they said, well, you know, you could
take Ward. It's not egregious.
And I would be so like, I'm I, I would ask that question and I
would never, ever not draft a Hunter.
So, hi, Pete. Totally.
I I totally agree, Eddie. Had never been more locked in
than choke like for the audio listeners.
In the last 30 seconds, Pete emerged from the chat, hijacked
the stream, put us on a best ball breakfast background.
No, I did that. That's when Pete came in and was
like, this is a mess. All of a sudden Chop and Davis
are on alone, then Pete's on the screen, then we're all back.
We changed backgrounds like 6 times, get rid of a banner and
Chop was just fucking. Rolling through I.
You're so locked in I'm actually nervous.
Do you watch the video like I? Can't wait till.
I can't wait to watch it back. I can't wait to watch it back.
Self scout. Just looking at a blank screen,
how did you stay in the zone there?
You know, I got, I got 30 years of this.
You know, Mike, that is there's an interesting point where Ward
falls. Like if Ward ends up being like
an 8 year starter in all these leagues that we're in, he is
going to be one of the cheapest first overall quarterbacks like
of all time because people cannot help themselves with
Travis Hunter. Although to be fair, I have I
got I got Hunter at 15 last night in a a slappy league with
a bunch of other slappies and after I took him I got 3 trade
offers immediately. Like it just because people with
Hunter, no one can help themselves in these rookie
drafts. People are just they're, they're
falling over each other. Did you see the one that Fantasy
Mojo posted the one rookie draft for?
It was a $100 league and Hunter went at the 201 one pick after
Jonathan Brooks. Well, the FFPC is a lawless it's
the FFPC is a lawless man where they love running backs on.
The FFPC you have to cut down to 14 players.
Yeah, 16, I think, yeah. Well, two of them have to keep
their own defense. So it's, it's really 14 and then
you draft the veterans back. So I have like a league that is
like, I'm this team's been good for a while.
I have, I drafted Jaden Higgins on it now, but I had 4 receivers
and it's the best. It's a, it's a best, it's A1
quarterback, best ball dynasty league.
And I had four receivers. So people draft the veterans.
It's also, it's like, I mean, it's like a hybrid between a
keeper and a dynasty league. I would say like in terms of the
the strategy, like it's, it's much more focused on like
needing to win now and what is like what people trade for is
like way more win now or immediate production focus, I
should say. So it's still weird, but it's
like not, it's not like a super flex dynasty league or
something. Just kind of neither here nor
there, but maybe this relates to our conversation.
I took Geno Smith over Jackson Dart at the 2.2 in a FFPC.
In Italy, that's you and me. Yeah, because my team is I have
Genti, I have Bijon, I have neighbors, I have Worthy, I have
Sam LaPorte like it's ready to win now.
And I just said I'm taking I'm taking the 18 months of Geno
Smith production. I'm, I'm also very bullish on
the Raiders, I think relative to the.
Market as well, for sure, yeah. I am as well, yeah.
OK, all right. There we go.
It's allowed my. Favorite basketball mania team
has has Genti and Bowers on it. Are you like, are you like Liam?
Do you go back and like look at your teams and be like, wow,
dude, look at the six. I don't mean.
This team. No sacrilegious was was like
looking at some of our teams and had highlighted that one.
I was like, that team is sick so.
Yeah, yeah. Two kinds of people.
How many how many rookie drafts in is everyone?
I I think I'm in 13 rookie drafts right now.
How many, how many you guys in? Like really currently or
including ones that are finished?
Including ones that are finished.
I'm 1617, about the same. Yeah, I cut down my dynasty.
I have three that are supposed to start soon but haven't yet.
But I'm only in I think like 8 or 9 leagues now.
I think I got it under 10. Jacob 63 a real number.
It's it. It sounded like a.
Real number right now, so including ones that are finished
and currently going. I'm I'm in 44 but I still have
another 25 ish that have yet to start.
You could tell. You could tell Jacob is the
unmarried member of this of this cast.
Do you actually think it would be harder for you, Jacob?
To do like being in 70 dynasty leagues is one of those things
where it's really hard to know like whether you're in 70
dynasty leagues because you're unmarried or whether you're
unmarried because. You're in 70 dynasty.
Leagues. It's like you can't really
uncouple those two facts. David, do you think it's
actually easier to be in that many leagues?
Like at a certain point do you do you get like is there?
Like how? Like how kind of.
What particular way Easier in some ways, for sure, Like easier
in ways that like I don't care when I trade away a player that
I really like. Like it's like very easy to just
be like, oh, I like this player, but I like this offer more and
that's fine because I still have like 14 other shares of this
guy, right? That's harder on Sunday morning
when you've like been out at like an EDM show until 3:00 and
then you like you're on Pacific Time.
So like. A Danger 30. 10 and then you
have to set your alarm for like 7 and set 70 dynasty lineups in
in the morning. And before you get the dynasty
line set, you gotta pour back all the liquor into the bottles.
Plus, Minnesota and Jacksonville are playing in London.
What in the morning? 4:00 in the morning.
Right, yeah, the Oh my God, there's nothing.
The London Games are, are like a direct attack on my interests.
Like there's, there's just, there's nothing worse than like
when you have there's like a guy that's questionable on a London
game and I've got to set my alarm for like 545 and then
check every single line up to be like, do I have Alvin Kamara on
this team? So I have Alvin Kamara on this.
Team wait, in that situation, are you just, are you fully
setting the line up and going back to bed or you you're just
handling that situation then setting a new alarm?
It it really depends on on the scenario depends pretty pretty
pretty heavily on the previous night's game plan.
Yeah, that makes sense. That makes.
Sense I was in, I was in Maui for my 50th birthday on a Sunday
and getting up. I mean, it's if it's once in
your lifetime, it's OK, but getting up in the middle of the
night, you, you step out onto the patio, you hear the ocean
waves, you know, just all happening and it's not laid out
yet. And just setting line UPS in
that moment was spectacular. Having to do that every week.
No, just once in my I turned, I just turned 50.
I'm, I'm doing this, this is the first thing I'm doing on my
birthday. OK, but not every week.
That sounds tough, but we love it.
That's why we're here. We do love it.
Risers and fallers as we are now
another week away from the draft.
There he is. DeAndre Swift right up top.
RJ Harvey. Makes sense.
They all do. Travis Hunter.
Brian Robinson. Also Washington, you know,
Robinson dodged the running back ad in the draft.
Jaden Blue in Dallas, Ashton Gente another tick up in the
first round and Jack Besh. Swift, I, I'm wondering from you
guys, how sure are we that there's no significant movement
left? I mean, it's still 4, almost
four months away, three months away rather from training camp.
How much is still to happen? I, I don't think that much, I
mean, JK Dobbins, yeah, JK Dobbins is is, you know,
probably going to sign somewhere.
But if we now know that he could end up back on the Chargers and
so I don't know. I mean, he just hasn't had much
of A mark. It's weird he hasn't signed
already. He would make a lot of sense to
me. Like he's the type of back that
I think he's he's got to be better than Kyle Minung guy.
So why wouldn't the the bears bring him in?
But there's kind of a deadline to that, right?
I forget the exact date, but at certain point he reverts back to
being on. Like mid to late June.
Yeah. So they're not it's not like he
can go through training camp and they like they're like, oh, we
need a running back. And you know, Dobbins is still
hanging out there. So that's kind of unfortunate
because obviously the Chargers, he's not going to have the role
he had last year anything close. And then at that point you're
looking at Chubb. But I think Chubb is done.
I mean, he might retire. Like it's just so I don't.
I like he could sign on the bears and I'm not sure I would.
He's definitely signing with the Ravens, right Chubb?
Chubb. There's never been a more Ravens
signing than than 30 year old Nick could, Yeah.
And then now you're talking about trades and I, I, I don't
know. I mean, I know people toss
around some like names like ETN, but I I don't think that's
happening. Swift, I think, has not risen
enough. Yeah, I mean.
No, I'm maybe 3 deals. You guys.
You guys just saw Jacob's face. Jacob.
Jacob knows I'm. Right.
Yeah, I'll just take. I'll.
No, I don't. No, no, thank you.
I'll I'll just take Roshan and I'll take over this side.
That was I think should be. Higher, you know, Diet Coke
face, I think. You guys have fun with that?
Who are they? Who are they?
Who are they signing where you're like, yeah dude, shit,
it's over. JK Dobbins they could trade for
Breeze Hall they could. Trade for pop quiz.
Yeah, I guess Breeze Hall is tough guy, potentially an
option, but they then who's their running back like I don't
know. Braylon Allen.
Most. Most.
Yards. Mentioned DeAndre Swift's
career. What year?
Probably his second year. Last year.
Last year, yeah. I was wondering if it was last
year or the the year with the Eagles.
We all, we all hate him. We all think he stinks.
We're all like Ben Johnson. I just.
Here's what I'm. Doing here's what I'm doing with
the the bears this year. I'm closing my eyes and I'm just
clicking the buy button on all of them.
Caleb more even even I mean more in Rome.
I have ranked below ADP right now, but they're trending
towards where I have them ranked And then when they get there,
I'll be taking them burden Loveland.
I'll take round 18, Commet I I I am just buying Ben Johnson and
the Chicago Bears. Love it.
How? Yeah, I mean that I think that
there's gonna be some real pain in this.
A lot. Of Caleb.
Just actually. Targets go.
I refuse to believe it. I'm not saying I think that's
the most likely scenario, but it's it's like a scenario that
is not getting a lot. Of that that that sign doesn't
bother me because I can't read Jacob.
Well, the thing with Swift is that you're not going.
So the issue with like Moore and and Rome Burden is that like
they're all expensive and then you're competing.
They're competing with each other for targets and with
Loveland, who's also pretty expensive.
And then Caleb's, you know, fairly expensive as well.
He's not like horribly priced, but you're, you're talking about
guys like you could complete this mega stack all within the
1st 10 rounds. It's a lot to pay.
Swift is the one guy where you're actually looking at like
opportunity. And I do think he allows you to
do other stuff. You know, like when I have
Swift, I'm not like tacking on Javonte Williams.
I'm I'm tacking on Bashal Tooten.
Or Cam scataboo or, you know, whatever.
Like I'm I'm not going room Andre.
I'm going with like a, you know, upside type of running back
swing. So I don't really mind taking
him. Obviously I don't like enjoy the
click, but he allows me to do things that I want to do is kind
of how I'm looking at it. And he's the one piece of this
offense where you're not worried about a bunch of cannibalization
effects. I mean, even Roshan getting more
work wouldn't like Roshan has been bad.
He he's not like very likely to completely displace swift, you
know, who's got the pass catching role and is much more
explosive than Roshan. So this isn't like crazy low at
this point, but he was, you know, a target very clearly
before and I still think, you know, I'm probably a little
underpriced. Maybe you could this point you
could say, well, the risk is not priced in.
So I would I'd be fine. Like it's similar price to last
year. And I was actually had a market
on Swift last year, but part of that was like, I was, well, I
don't like this player at all, But like the Bears do because
they just invested in him under this regime.
And so at worst, he's going to get fed with touches for, you
know, half the season before. Maybe they they change something
and and maybe they never will. But this year it's like I'm
paying the same price. And I understand he he piled up
yards. He stayed healthy last year, but
he wasn't good. And now it's a new regime and
they have other playmakers. There's still a long offseason
laugh, like maybe if he gets to if he survives to August, they
don't bring it any other back. He's still 83.
I I get it. He won't be though that that's
part of it like but I. But I don't.
But he was. He was this price last year.
Why would he be more expensive this year than last year?
That doesn't make any sense to me.
Ben Johnson, but but Ben. Johnson are more expensive,
positive for Swift. Ben Johnson hates Swift Well.
But why did? He hate him if he if he.
Hate him, but he didn't fall through on that.
Hate, yeah, you know, if he if he hated him so far.
They got four months to go. I mean, here they brought in
Jamal. They poured the hate back in the
bottle. He poured hate back in the
bottle. That's right, he's saving it.
What does it do for you knowing they brought in Jamal Williams
for a workout? It it affirms exactly what I
think. Well.
Did they bring in Jamal? Is that real?
They did draft a running back in round seven, like they they had
picks all over the draft. They they could have.
Why didn't they pick one? Like doesn't what?
What does that tell you? They did pick one ultimately
Monongai from Rutgers in the seventh round, who, as I showed
Davis the league were in together.
He went two O 7 in a rookie draft were together.
I don't know, like, is that something?
I mean, he, he's a, he looks like a big time plotter by the
numbers. He he looks like he looks like
old Jamal Williams at 22. Hang on.
OK. No, I, I would look, there's a,
there's a few seventh round running backs that if they had
drafted I I would be like totally willing to.
Keep Martinez. If, if, if Ollie Gordon Ollie 7
was a bear, there would be nothing stopping me.
If they had done round 7, Rashard Smith.
If they done round seven, Damian Martinez, they attend round 7 to
Corey Krosky, Merritt even. Yeah, I could like I could get
there. Mananga is is one of the less
threatening round seven options for sure.
Yeah, that's how I feel too. Yes, but I even would get it on
Ollie Gordon 5. Ollie Gordon, I'd be down, dude.
I honestly would be. I would be taking Ollie Gordon
now if I knew he was like for sure the number two there.
So what do we think their plan is?
Throw the ball. I mean, I think that their plan
was to draft Ashton Genti. I think that the plan probably
was also to trap Trevi on Anderson.
I agree. And then I think that they, they
just had to now they're, they're probably just going to try to
figure out their plan on the fly.
There there. Could be a running back cut.
I mean maybe there won't be trades Pat, but there are these
veterans that are kind of stuck like I that's what I'm asking
the original question. Well, ETN, but about the bears
like you're. Not going to cut ETN.
So some of the some of these guys you can't really cut
because it's just too expensive. I mean, they might cut like you
can cut like Kareem Hunt might get cut or Eli Mitchell maybe,
but I don't think you'd be it's. Like the that I think probably
will get cut. You don't want to be in in May
and still be like working on your roster.
This is not like a great, great spot.
And I think I mean, I kind of will give the Bears credit if
they did get sniped on some of these running backs and didn't
have another running back they really liked.
They spent a seventh round pick on like kind of a grinder type.
That is like the thing that Swift is worst at.
Like if you need 2 1/2 yards, you know, Swift is the last back
I'd want to put out there. So you give yourself another out
with with Roshan and and Manon guy of maybe finding a guy who
can grind out short yardage stuff.
But swift isn't like a disaster. I've I've been out on swift for
a number of years now, you know, but he's I just don't.
I'm like the thing one of the things I regret about how I
approached last year is I'm like I there were these backs where
I'm like, yes, someone else will come along and it just they just
won't matter. And they like they did matter.
And even with Camara getting hurt and stuff and not matter at
the end of the season, if you get enough weeks of a guy
mattering in best ball it does help you a lot more than in
redraft. Swift to 2024 Camara.
I like that. I like that comparison a lot.
It's like that. He might be, he might be dusted
by week 14, but if he gives you a bunch of 13 point games, 124
pointer, 118 pointer, then yeah, he all of a sudden he's a 27%
advance rate piece. And and the things like advance
rate pieces is that I feel like, you know, sometimes, you know,
it's an advance rate piece like I'm building to win, you know,
but it's like, well, they're like if these are pieces, if
these are like, you know, game pieces and you put an advance
rate piece and then surround it with a bunch of back weighted
production and swift literally advances a team that would not
have advanced without him. And now you're cooking in the
playoffs. Like, that's an effective
grouping of players, you know, so that's what I'm talking about
where I think, like, Swift is helping me put together a
running backroom that I think actually works.
You know, even if he's not a particularly exciting click,
this price is much more in line with, like, what makes sense.
But yeah, this, this rise has been warranted.
He's 15 picks cheaper than James Conner.
Yeah, way back from James. Conner.
I'd right, I'd rather have James Conner as well, but they're
they're week 1. You, you pull up your, your DFS
projector of choice in week one, Week 2 DeAndre.
So it's probably going to be projected for similar more half
PPR points than James Conner. I don't know what the chat says
and how you feel, Pat, but I'm sensing Davis and Jacob could
throw down today. I don't know if.
They all, they all, everyone in the chat hates DNR Swift.
They all what? Can can We might need Davis to
explain this. What does this mean?
Basically it means like you are absolutely guaranteed to lose
value on this. That that there are the, the the
price is going to fall through the floor.
You're not going to get return. You could talk yourself into it
at the moment, but the market is going to change the price on you
rapidly. That's what I don't agree with.
I mean, I think taking Swift could absolutely fail.
It's like a risky bet on veteran production.
He's a classic dead zone back. It's just that you don't.
You're taking him with pick 83. The dead zone, the dead zone,
the Overton window of the dead zone has really shifted.
The dead zone is now the 7th and eighth round instead of the
third and fourth round. But the dead zone works because
it's like you're taking guys without upside, You're taking
like guaranteed touches that actually aren't guaranteed.
And you're passing on huge breakout bats at at wide
receiver or the chance to get an elite tight end or some of the
best quarterbacks on the board when you come down here into the
80s. And those types of players
aren't available as opportunity cost.
I do. I do just want to make.
Like a great profile? Guys right behind Swift.
So like you guys. You guys like Swift demonstrably
more than like Aaron Jones, Brian Robinson, Isaiah Pacheco
right behind him. No, but I don't want to have
more than, I don't want to have more than 10% of any.
Of those guys, I think they're all for all three of the ones
behind him to Swift. Because I, I don't, I think, I
think Jones is just as sort of dusted as as Swift at this
point. He looked, he looked pretty
washed last year. I think Mason could could could
be a real. Problem 3030 years old,
hamstring injury. I prefer Mason to Aaron Jones.
Obviously, if you could guarantee me Aaron Jones doesn't
injure his quadriceps muscle then I would be higher on him,
but you can offer me no such assurances.
Not on the list, but it's come up on the show.
We had that game that Pat whipped up about guys that might
get, you know, quashed in the in the draft.
Tony Pollard. That didn't happen either.
Huge win, huge win for Pollard, 'cause I'm not a, you know, the
other thing we talk about the black marble for old guys, we
also have the Taje Spears black marble, no knee cartilage season
at some point. No ACL.
No ACL, Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, who knows about
the cartilage? He might not have that either,
but he literally he won't. He won't directly answer the
question, but he's not denying that he doesn't have an ACL.
Well, you know Pat, do you know who their third running back is?
Oh, is it Kyle Mullins? It's your boy.
Kyle Mullins.
Yeah, I no Pollard. Pollard is a huge win.
This whole tier of running backs, I think is there one of
these guys is going to be like the way we talked about Kamara
last year or or maybe like, I don't know who is a really Brian
Robinson junior, like Brian Robinson junior.
Pacheco, Swift, Aaron Jones, Tony Pollard, these guys are all
like super cromulent running back to Zahira running back
build. To be clear, I'm also like not
trying to like load up on Swift specifically.
It's the it's backs in this range And look, we're coming out
of a period of the pre draft where I wasn't touching like any
of these backs. Like there's just no way I'm
taking DeAndre Swift, who the Bears could easily take Genti or
something like that. Like actually like he had, he
ended up falling so late. I kind of did end up taking him
some of the one 20s, but I just wouldn't have touched him and
didn't touch him anytime. You know, he was more expensive.
Tracy, you know, from Andre, I took sparingly.
Warren I took a lot less than I would have liked to because I
was, you know, the Caleb Johnson outcome was was pretty obvious.
So there's like these backs I was not into, but now, you know,
things have changed a lot and I'm actually trying to trying to
target these guys in part because I'm like, maybe I have
some leftover fade bias, you know, from the pre draft period
of like you can't touch these guys.
I was like, no, actually Pollard, I mean, he he looks
like a very, you know, solid kind of low end RB1, high end
RB2 type of bet. You know, if he's chugging along
and and Cam Ward's good again, it's not like when I'm building
my team around, but he's like, I'm like, OK, I have Pollard
holding down a running back spot early in the season that allows
me to to do things I actually want to do more.
You could just draft George Pickens instead, then these
running backs, or at least for the last couple of months.
Or different Jaden Reed, different receivers who go
around the same. Yeah.
I I get the feeling on the running backs of the receivers
are tough for me in this range. Like there's there's a similar
to last year and every year there's like a a real or
perceived teardrop. Like it's honestly after like
Jennings Judy in the mid 60s, it gets to be like quite rough.
Pickens I'm fine with in the mid Pickens I like a lot.
I like I like that click for sure.
I'm open ish to Pearsall and Reed but it's not doesn't feel
great. Can't say it feels great after
that I I really struggle with any all these wider super
prices. So I I definitely get the the
appeal of of running backs. I'm kind of smaller getting
that. Than what you guys are staying
with him than I am with Swift for sure.
Sure. Yeah.
I mean the The thing is like, you know, last year, right?
Mostly because I just think there's a good chance that
Swift's ADP is like still 140 by August because I I still think
they're, they're pretty live to make a significant move.
What would that move be in your mind, Dobbins?
Sign Dobbins trade for ETN, trade for Hall OK.
What about Brian Robinson? Like AI would give it like a not
a not over 50% chance to happen or anything like that.
But I I don't think it's like a tiny outcome.
Yeah, that really it all goes. It spins back to the question
like what, what is the plan? What did they want?
We talked last week and I think you guys mostly agree that they
were the Browns trade away from trading up for Genti OR.
Trade for Walker. They could trade for Walker.
They could do that. They were the betting favorite
halfway through the day that Thursday of Thursday night of
round one to draft Genti. It was like expected that they
would do that. And then the Jaguars went the
other way. So what did they do instead?
They just punted it. They traded with Buffalo move
moved down, just did different things.
And then ultimately the running back in round 7.
How does how does Brian Robinson compare here?
Another like a exciting offense. Super in on Brian Robinson yeah
that that I get to be positive about surprised he survived.
But part part of the idea of why I think you don't click him
previously is like, even if he survives, how much more
expensive he's gonna get turns out not quite 2 rounds.
So I I think you're yeah. Now at this point, I mean, I was
super into B Rob last year without knowing how good Jayden
Daniels is going to be. It's basically the same set up
last year except about around more expensive with a lot more
confidence in the offense. I'm yeah, very into Brian
Robinson. Man, you were going to learn the
name Jacori Kroski Merritt so hard about week 9.
Probably not. This was no Probably.
Not he's this year. Chris, Rod, where you guys?
I'm wishing it what what's happened to what's what about
Mick Weapon, Right the year, the year, a breakout for Mick
Weapon. The the thing with Robinson
Robinson really the end of last season makes me nervous where we
saw a bunch of Echler actually they they were bringing in yeah,
Mick weapon and then like Chris Rodriguez got some run.
It was like this real committee and.
He, he was real banged up. Brian Robinson, remember he he
was like not practicing at all Wednesday.
Thursday, Friday, he was banged up.
He was banged up. That's right.
But I mean, yeah, he's maybe I'm a maybe I'm holding that against
him too much. But with Robert, like, OK,
compared to like Swift or Pollard, we've actually seen
both those guys, Swift and Pollard for for multiple
seasons. Be kind of like, well, we don't
have anyone else. And this guy can like be the
backfield. The the Swift did this with the
Eagles to do this with the Bears last year, Pollard, his his
awful year with the Cowboys. It was gross because we took him
in the second round. He's still the whole backfield.
And then, you know, last year he was kind of the backfield.
So I feel comfortable to an extent.
You know, all this stuff is, is somewhat thin because we're
talking about old veteran running backs are not very good.
But you know, there's there's at least like a history of the team
feeling confident with the current players on the depth
chart. Like, OK, let's just give it to
this guy. Robinson.
I I just don't, I just don't have as much confidence that
that happens, that it seems like they, you know, he's not, he's
like part of a committee generally.
But but maybe the maybe the end of the season is weighing too
heavily in my mind. I don't know.
I mean, I think, yeah, he's not going to, he's not going to be
like an 80% touch rate guy or whatever.
But at least I'm, I guess I just see a narrower range of outcomes
for this one. Like I'm, I'm reasonably
confident that this is going to be their backfield.
Robinson's going to have his role, probably Echoler, Mcweapon
or whoever else can have the other role.
And if like we're staying at the point of these picks is, is
safety. I'm, I'm reasonably confident
that Robinson gives me that safety compared to Swift, where
I agree the upside is higher, but I, I still see chances of an
addition. I, I wouldn't be that surprised
if it's just Roshan's backfield. I I I get more.
Success. I'd be pretty surprised if
Israel, but I guess the thing too, it's it's not that it's
safety necessarily, it's that I think he hits my line up in the
early season or what? What worries me about Robinson
is that I have Robinson all season but he like doesn't do
much. Bunch of bunch of 11, Bunch of
11 pointers, 11 carries for 44 yards, 2 receptions for 16
yards, and 50% of the time he scores a touchdown.
Swift's game log is, you know, hopefully it's like 15, eight,
11/22, you know, and then like Chuck along in the teens and
then is done, but. Will definitely have a game with
11 carries for negative rushing yards at some point that that
will that will. Definitely.
That's a lock. That's a lock, yeah.
Do you know Davis that Reggie Bush completed a full season
with the Bills and finished in negative rushing yards?
Actually, I did not know that. That is I Reggie Bush.
Which means that I have more rushing yards in Bill's history
than he, I think, right 0. That's pretty.
That's pretty impressive. Yeah, wow.
Jayden Blue back to a rookie here.
Win now. Pretty good jump.
Pocket milling. Jayden Blue, Yeah.
I think I've drafted him in every single draft I've done.
Where should he go in rookie? Like mid, mid second?
Is that early? Yeah.
No, no, no, no. Wait.
Second in dynasty drafts. I don't think he should be in
until the 3rd in in dynasty drafts because I don't think
that he actually is much of a runner.
I think he's A to me, he's a fun player.
I think he's like a Naheem Hines type where I actually think he's
a legitimately good receiving back and you can give him like 6
to 8 carries a game and he'll he'll pop.
But I think as soon as you start giving him 15 carries, it's
going to the diminishing returns are going to hit like crazy with
him. And part of that is why Texas
never really did it. But in this specific year, in
this specific backfield, if the options are really fun player
with a ton of Jews who has a receiving role and maybe you
could extend his rushing more than you want to or sub NFL
level dust balls, then like sure, I I could, I could see
myself. I could see Jayden Blue having
like, I think Jayden Blue will have the best year of his NFL
career of this year. This year.
That's what I'm saying, yeah. I don't.
I don't you. It was a very fun dynasty pick,
but I'm windmilling in in best ball.
Yep, that does make sense. I really didn't.
Chris Thompson. Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah. 20/20/16 Chris Thompson 700 scrimmage yards, 5
touchdowns 2017 800 scrimmage yards, 6 touchdowns.
Jaden Blue can RIP that off for sure. 800 scrimmage yards, 6
touchdowns. Totally.
We were talking about Kyron Williams Davis on Sun Pod and
you mentioned how many pass blocking snaps he had.
And I looked it up and yeah, I mean, you're, you're 100%
correct. But the thing that jumped out to
me was actually #2 on the list was Javonte Williams with a
pretty good pass blocking grade by PFF as well.
I do like Williams is a guy wasn't touching at all.
And I don't, and I think his price is now corrected to where
I'm not really touching him now. But it does make me nervous a
little bit for Blue where you have this guy who's like going
to be able to do the Zeke stuff, I think to be out there and pass
protect. Yeah, Javonte is Zeke.
Javonte is Zeke, Yeah. So that makes me a little like,
I don't think blue. But but blue is Rico Dowdell,
who's like, totally fine. He's not Rico Dowdell, though.
Dowdell was like a like a true running back.
Dowdell's a much bigger running back.
Yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't think Jaden Blue is any good,
but in in this spot, it just doesn't matter.
I guess what I'm saying, I think I think it's getting to a price
where it's it does like this rise makes a lot of sense to me
at this point. I'm not, I'm not do.
You agree? Should be the first cowboy
running back drafted. Yeah.
I don't OK. Well.
Then who should be Davis? You don't like it, I don't like
it. All the all the slappies
watching and listening to this. Don't like it, but it's
definitely Javonte. It's probably should be.
We can we can we book a bet right now?
Javonte Jayden Blue half PPR points per game in in
20/20/2025. It doesn't really.
That doesn't work 'cause I don't take Javonte and I do take Blue.
I think Blue's my most drafted player right now.
As you said, as you said on the Dynasty show, why does the
fictional rational actor never have the same decision making
pathway as you? And yeah, the the the.
Do you think other people should make that bet with me?
But you? Your cell phone accepted.
I myself have I believe. I think I have I.
Think I have 30I. Think I have 35% Jayden Blue
right now and I bet I have like 4 or 5% Javonte.
No respect for Here's Phil Moffa.
Well, Phil Moffa. 'S a big boy, Phil Moffa.
Weighs 270. 5 for anyone who's not Javante Williams and Mile
Sanders. Here's what I'll say about about
the blue Javante thing is that like if we get word that blue is
in line for the type of role that we expect him to be, then
he's clearly the first back who should go in Dallas and you
know, easily like 20 picks over or undervalued currently.
But I guess the thing that you're taking on with blue right
now is that like he's he's not that good of a prospect.
He has a sort of a the case you're making Jacob, you know,
he's not going to get a ton of touches like I'm hearing like
not much upside, you know, like he's, he's a passing down back
on a team that has a really good pass protector.
So like how much work is he going to get even on 3rd downs?
Are we talking about like a rotational explosion back?
Who's getting like some swing passes on 2nd downs?
You're literally you're literally talking about making
Hines but getting 9 carries a game.
Well, yeah, which is called Naeem Hines did a couple of
years and then and then give me 24 running back.
Give me more assurance that he actually has that locked down
because he didn't have a ton of draft capital.
That's Hines didn't play third downs either and he got like 80
targets. Sure, sure.
It it would be. I mean different team.
I think the I think the role if you're trying to do a Cowboys
metaphor, would be like what what was the year the year
before he like fully broke onto the scene.
But once it was like he was no longer just a pure backup Tony
Pauler, like like what it was like, you know, he's not playing
third downs and he's not playing goal line, but he's like getting
a lot of fun touches and he has some like spike weeks mixed in.
That's like probably what I expect for Jaden Boyd, like.
Four years ago. Right, but that Pollard in his
rookie season? He did have 455 years ago
basically didn't play other than like when Zeke was out it was
like. Kind of what I'm saying though,
like we're talking about a fifth round pick who's not a
traditional running back. I would like a little bit more
confidence, you know, from what I'm from like, like even in some
some mini camp buzz would be nice.
Like we're just going to slot this guy into this like fairly
particular role that like not a lot of teams are using these
days. Like it's very possible that
he's just a backup and the and the correct answer is the gross
starter, you know? Well then I just think there
isn't an answer. Yeah, fair.
I don't think Javante. I just like I there's no world
for me in which Javante Williams is is the answer.
So I think it's like, to me, either blue is a good pick or
the Cowboys have no running. You are, you are.
You have slappy tunnel vision right now and.
I, no, I, I've been the argument that I got with the Zeke people
last year. Like people were like, dude,
Zeke's good to get. Like, no, get the fuck out of
here. Javante Williams last year
Javanteans last year had a workhorse role the entire year
and had zero value. 0 Yeah, I mean, I mean.
Except that, Except that. There's not a world on this
planet. Which Javad?
Yeah, he had eight. He had 800 yards and four
touchdowns last year. If you get 8. 100 and how many
helpful basketball weeks did he have?
Like 1. Two, I think.
I think he had two. Did the one game against the
Saints, it was great. I loved that I had a lot of
them. He had the 1, he had the one
game and and to be clear, I was like leading the charge on
Javonte hate last year. He's staying.
I was leading it on. Javonte Love.
It was the worst experience of my life.
It was horrible. Yeah, it.
Was not fun. Every week I'd be like, oh good,
we're getting like a great role. Oh, we had seven points on 8I.
I am trying to I'm trying to be as Leone as possible and I let's
let's pull up let's pull up the the establish the run ranks,
right. I mean, I'm gonna, yeah, I'm
gonna, I'm gonna guess much. Worse than I.
Thought may I just say I I cracked the beer.
I was waiting all the whole time.
This is an NA by the way, because wait, maybe Davis
throwing throwing down tough. Guy, you got it, you got it.
You got to let it go. You got to let it go flat and
then you'll understand. Yeah, it might taste the same.
Our friends at I'm actually legitimately shocked right now.
Our friends at established the run, Michael Leone and the data
science team have Javonte 20 spots after ADP, and they have
Jaden Blue, also 20 spots after ADP.
So. So I guess there's nothing to
learn from our our nerd friends. Yeah.
Where's? Miles, because I'm like a little
bit into Miles Sanchez. Miles might be the answer.
Honest to God because he's free. I don't think that Javonte has
to be a good part. Just because.
He's the same bet. Honestly he might be like way
less washed. What's what's the evidence that
Miles Sanders is where where do we OK.
I mean, we're we're continuing to talk in circles here.
And it just is like, maybe this is just a shitty backfield and
they kind of just all chop and change it.
It's the it's the 2024 Chiefs, except the Kareem Hunt points
are split between two guys. I I think it might be
interesting that they drafted too.
Like what? What is?
If you're trying to project blue, why would they draft
another one? You know, they, they're not like
really good, so why would they feel the need to draft a?
Second Phil. Phil Moffa, I believe, is listed
at. Yeah, he's. 230.
He has nothing in common with Blue, at least like he is.
He is. He is a large.
Short yard he's that's intentional he's.
He's too OK, you want to I just that doesn't make.
Me nervous for Blue because like Blue's never going to do that
stuff anyway. Like he's like no matter who
Blue is paired with, like the backfield could be Jayden Blue
and Mike Show and like I'm betting on you to get the goal
line work. I just, I just saw the absolute
worst timeline, which is Jayden Blue is active for special
teams. All four guys are active on game
day and they're all getting like each guy gets like 2 1/2 rushes
per week. And how?
How does Hunter Lumpke factor into this?
Oh, my God. Oh, my God.
Hunter Lumpke. I I had totally forgotten about
third down back. Hunter Lumpke.
Yeah, I'm still, I'm still taking Jayden.
Jayden Rodriguez. I don't even know how did that
even happen. I guess I was thinking Chris
Rodriguez. I'm still taking Jayden Blue.
Once a slap, always a slap. Don't you know?
Do as I say, not as I do. Jacob giving me the ball once I
told him that I get have more career rushing yards than Reggie
Bush who in 20/16/12 carries for -3 is the official stat line on
that he. Returned kicks on that team.
I I I totally wiped this out. He caught a few passes.
What I'll remember him most for is I was on the sideline with my
young son before a pre season game and a punt.
He was, you know, getting ready for a punt return roll and he
just didn't bother coming to the ball.
It came to the sideline and my son picked it up and it's right
there. So that was pretty cool.
Good for Reggie Bush. Good for Reggie Bush.
Good for. Julie, I'm looking at the Andre
Swift stats from last year and lowering him on the right.
It's it's worse than I remember. While you do that, if you don't
mind, switch to the second slide here as we're approaching 50
minutes we. Didn't we?
Didn't. Even talk about Besh we.
Didn't talk about RJ Harvey or Besh or Genti.
That's right. RJ Harvey and.
RJ Harvey not high enough? This feels fairly efficient the
more you think about it, it feels.
Fine, good, good with Harvey. I think there's been enough
Harvey discourse on the Internet.
To. Yeah, I think, I think we can
skip that. I just want to make a real quick
point on Bash here. This is actually the Slappies
have not gone far enough with Jack Bash, a round two pick in a
Dome. They're very likely to be top
five, 6-7 in pace plays per game situation, neutral, but they're
probably going to be bad. So that'll tilt them a little
bit more. Pat, maybe not bad, but they're
not going to be throttling people on defense.
I don't think anyone imagines that these are the players who
are standing in the way of Jack Besh, Even with Bowers, even
with Gente demanding, let's call it 50% of the available just
plays. There you go.
Kobe Myers. Right.
Jacoby Myers 20 he, he Kobe Myers can have his 25% target
share and there's still enough meat on the bone because these
are the other players year for Trey Tucker, Michael Mayer, who
if you go back and look, Michael Mayer played over 60% of the
offensive snaps for the Raiders after he came back from his
personal absence last year. Dante Thornton, a fifth round
rookie, Christian Wilkerson and another guy whose name I am
totally forgetting. So basically, if Besh is good
and that's the part you have to solve for in this equation if
we're working backwards. But if he is good, there is
there is no roadblock. There's absolute this is this is
as wide open as a depth chart can possibly get.
And that's even with. Let's assume.
Let's do that. Let's assume Bowers is good.
Bowers is good. It's not wide open.
There's there's two others legit pass wide.
Open for routes. It's wide open for like that.
OK, the path the path for bash to run 90% of routes is very
very. So so.
Clear the path for him to have though like to be more than the
number three option in the passing game that I'm struggling
to see. So like I, I like Jack Bash a
lot, but I, I don't, I think this price is like pretty fine
so. Lack of imagination on Jacob's
part. Because like, you shouldn't, you
shouldn't be like getting close to like Trey Harris, who's
basically the same draft capital but with a better quarterback
and can, if he's good, he's just easily the number two option,
whereas best is the number three option.
Now now, as MTM Revolt says, we do need to stay woke to Tommy
Mellett. Who is the most interesting
player You don't know about? The legend of Tommy Mellett,
Jacob. What is this, The legend of Sid
Finch? No dude, this is this is a 10
RAF quarterback wide receiver who played at Montana State
University. He is incredible.
Yeah, this is this is a Davis Maddock special.
This is a This is a Davis Maddock special.
This is. Like for him on on your stream
in July? God, I hope so, man.
Lane Larrison told me. All of his media has to get
approved by the Patriots now. So I think I, I think I missed
my window. Oh no, he's on the Patriots.
Yeah. That could be kind of good for
him though. Kind of kind of good for him,
but not good for getting media approval, I think, Yeah.
I don't think that's the team you want for trying to book
somebody. I don't think that's the team
you want. Davis you could make content out
of. Your the.
Journey of trying to get media approval from the Patriots
though. Like you could just publicly
post all of the correspondence with the Patriots.
That would do numbers. Let me know if I can help.
I might need you.
Yeah. I, I, it's I I don't know.
I don't know. I don't know how it's going to.
Yeah. Jordan Hudson.
Would be would be hanging on every.
What you need is for the guy to have like a 'cause if he has
like he's doing, he's showing up at a school, you know, he's, you
know, food bank, anything like that.
If he has a cause and then either through his agent or the
team, you'll be like, you'll get a press release.
You'll you know, if you're on the list, you'll get a press
release announcing it and then you can book him.
I don't know if LAN Larrison is big enough to have a cause.
Yet to have a cause. Yeah, yeah, he's got to make a
play first. 'Cause it's still LAN Larrison,
that's his current. Cause making the making the team
cause. The cause is is making the
Patriots practice squad. He goes, he goes into PR like
I've got this thing. Not yet.
You know, you just got to be on. You got to have a jersey first
before we can start promoting you.
OK? What?
About this, what about this
idea? You can maybe get LAN larison.
On the butt, Pete dressed up as LAN would would do that would do
numbies. That would be a.
Really good fit. It still does sound like a name
Will Ferrell might have dreamed up.
LAN Larison. He's a, he's a, he's a cowboy
dude. He he he used to In high school,
he rode like bucking Broncos on a ranch.
Not a real. Person you got to go sort of
back channels to get them OK fallers, you know the the theme
with risers was they're not yet you know rising enough.
Mostly we sort of liked all these guys even after their move
up on the boards fallers Naji Harris on top 27% drop obviously
DJ Moore. I heard you guys talking about
him the other day, Nico Collins, Roma Dunze.
Also with more on the Bears, Jerome Ford, Jaylen McMillan and
Dylan Sampson. That's interesting.
Kind of maybe we think what blocked by Judkins and
Cleveland. I don't know what they'll do.
That draft capital outcome too, I mean, he, he was, yeah, to go
day 2 and and then he goes day three to a place where he's
maybe the RV 2, maybe even the RV 3.
And a lot of these rookies, I mean, we were, we were really
hoping to hit the Harvey type of outcome, you know.
And so, yeah, like he, he needs, he needed the fall.
Nico Collins is the 2 Texans Day 2 receivers.
I actually think it's that Genti is rising and yeah, another one
of the wide receivers is higher now.
I don't have, I don't have the rank.
It's. I mean, it's like 20, it's a 20%
fall. But like he, he fell like 2
spots. So it's like, it's not.
It's just, yeah. Yeah, it's fine.
Neighbors didn't get Travis Hunter.
Maybe a slight rise. And I think, I think Dart is
like better than it. It just seems like better when
you see what what happened to Cleveland, You're like, yeah,
Jason's not so bad. This could be OK.
You know, at least there's like hope.
Well, the bears, the bears, Davis, here you go.
I mean if you want all the bears you got 2 here that are falling.
And they're gonna keep falling. And once a Doonese gets to my
ranking, I, I, I plan on clicking the button.
I just am not going to take the worst of it right now in these
contests when I know the direction that it's going.
Like it's it, those are, I think I have him at 57, so he's at 50
right now. And those are, oh, there we go.
So, so I, I, I guess I drafted yesterday.
I did take Rome once. I, I have them at 60, so we're,
we're aligned there. My copy of Davis's updated
Dynasty ranks has Odoon Odoonsay at 50 that I'm using in a
startup. Yeah, I I have.
I I was not. Inspired, I think.
Yeah, it is. I'm I'm not as bearish on
bearish. That's funny on a Doomsday's
Future value, as it seems other people are, because I think
there's like 3 diametrically opposed ideas for why they took
Loveland and Burden, and it just really depends on the weight
that you're holding in your mind at the time.
It could be they don't want DJ Moore anymore.
It could be Rome insurance. It could be they think Rome is
not him and they need another wide receiver.
It could be Ben Johnson just wants to throw the ball a
bazillion times. It could be Ben Johnson just
loved Luther Burden, could be Ryan Pole's love.
There's so many and I just don't.
I just don't think you can definitively say which thing
yet. But I do know that Roma Dunsay
was a pretty good prospect with a really good draft capital who
flashed a little bit. There are a lot of reasons that
we can all give excuses for the Bears offense underperforming
last season. Now, could, could this be crazy?
Could this, could Roma Dunsay go the way of Jalen Reger?
Of course he could. You know, that's always, that's
always I think, a legitimate risk.
But I am on the other side of that right now.
Burden, Speaking of them, is interesting to me because he
seems like a really hot item in these rookie drafts.
And that's with Loveland on top, that's with Odunsay and with
more. And as a player that did not
make the first round. Burden.
Burden was somebody that people had either side of the coin,
really loved the talent but didn't want to, you know, sort
of trust it based on other factors.
Yet even with how it went, it seems like he's somebody you
have to kind of little bit reach for in rookie drafts.
So Burden didn't get like the perfect outcome, but it's good
enough and it has people excited, I think.
Yeah, he's just going in a range where I don't know that I even
love the price on burden and basketball.
I love the price and dynasty, but there's no one going around
burden that I have. I feel that terrified of beating
me. So I'm I'm pretty open minded to
just like Chuck in the dart at the board on burden and and
seeing what happens, I'm at his spot.
What is that? Yeah, it's a.
Lot higher at at his ADP yeah I want to say it's like 80 what do
you guys have it in front of you you guys I'm.
Looking Burdens. ADP. 87. 11O3 on Underdog.
Oh, I'm looking at something that is I'm looking at I'm.
I guess I was looking at the wrong sheet.
No, it's not 103. It's not one. 03.103.4.
Yeah, Wide receiver, Wide receiver 51.
Yeah. It just no, I have, I have, I
have 88.3 right? Now, oh, that's the eliminator
that I knew I wasn't crazy. That's the eliminator.
It's the yes he is. He is 88.3.
Wide receiver 47. That is the exchange rate.
That's what Jacob usually is. First to the US, Canada, the.
The one. 88.3 there. We go it when you click the
rankings tab, it defaults you to the eliminator.
I'm on the wrong one. Don't really make sense in the
eliminator because Luther Burden is not an eliminator ass pick.
That's that's for sure. He's a he's a puppy three ass
pick. I've been taking him in the
puppy and the schnauzer. But yeah, 88 like these, these
are the guys that he's like living with, right?
I mean, it's all the guys. We just it's all the dusty
running backs. We just talked about Swift
Jones, Brian Robinson, Pacheco. It's like the beginning of the
quarterback wave. Darnell Mooney goes directly
behind him. No thanks.
So at that point in time, it's like, sure, I'll I'll like take
the blind shot on Luther Burden that that could end up being
totally useless about where Rome's going.
No chance. Like I'm not taking him over
Crystal Lave. I'm not taking him over Jawan
Jennings. DJ Moore doesn't doesn't exist
in my rankings. DJ Moore is is not a player that
that consists in My Portfolio. I love how they default the
other cool contest I can't play in.
DJ Moore Yeah, I mean, I I'm sure I will eventually go
camping when I've entered some slow drafts and I will auto
draft DJ Moore, but that's the only way that I get a share of
his services in the 2025 basketball season.
Jacob's such a hater man, he. Just I do think there's some
upside with Moore, but he he just needs to fall like the 3-4
turn. There's, there's other things I
want to do there. I think if he was even going
like at the end of the fourth, I'd be totally fine with it.
It's just that there's I just, I think he should be kind of after
the group that he's currently in the middle of.
Yeah, Burden is burden is a tricky 1 because I am kind of
excited, but he is boom bust in redraft.
I think I'll be pretty in, but I I'm kind of in here.
I'm kind of in here to be honest.
Yeah, I'm I'm the least in here of every format that I play, but
I will still certainly be overweight.
Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, But I but when
we get to FFPC season, I mean get the clips ready, right.
Like that's, that's like I want them on every single team if I
can just stick them on the bench.
By the way, Speaking of that, I'll be in the big gorilla hard
way draft tomorrow night. Can't stream it because we're
driving kids around from sports, but that's at 8:00.
FFPC will have a stream. Who else here a lot of Speaking
of RJ Harvey earlier, a lot of these guys have been talked
about a lot already and by us. I talked to a reporter in in
Cleveland yesterday, Spencer German about the Browns, trying
to figure out what they do. I mean, we talk about the
quarterbacks with them and what kind of a competition that will
look like. How does Judkins versus Samson
feel based on draft capital and and talent to you guys?
Think it's pretty clear what they want to do.
They want to, they want to run the gosh Dang ball and and try
and win as many games 17 to 13 as possible.
Yeah, can you just imagine? Jenkins is their guy.
Like I I'm not a big Jenkins
fan, but he's he went 36th overall to a team that shouldn't
have been really in the drafting running backs market at their
point in in their franchise. So he's he's definitely the
dude. It's just a tough situation to
invest in. I don't know.
They're going to have like 5 different quarterbacks.
Their offense is going to be terrible.
I mean Jenkins is going to need like an absurd amount of volume
as a non pass catching or at least to this point non pass
catching prospect on an awful team.
So it better be like 80. There's a big difference based
on the situation between Judkins is the guy with 61% of the
touches and Judkins is the guy with 82% of the touches.
I I mean, he's going to need it to be the ladder for his upside
case. On this, I'm not even, I'm not
even really that into Judkins. I'm not He's he's fine.
I'm not that into any of the Browns.
Early down runner on a team that is going to play four different
quarterbacks this year like. Yeah, it is.
It is when you put it like that, it is a little unfortunate, but
I think Judkins isn't like purely A2 down guy.
He actually he was used a bit in the passing game and was used a
bit in the passing game even with Henderson last year.
I know he's not like, you know, he's not Hampton even like
Hampton, you're like this dude can do everything well enough to
just be a three down workhorse. He's he's going to be more of
like A2 down dude, but I don't think he's like a zero in the
passing game. So that's the part I'm
struggling with. I think I'm higher on Judkins as
a prospect maybe than you guys. But yeah, I mean, him getting
flipped by Harvey makes sense to me.
The. Fun about the broken tackles got
to me a little bit on on. Judkins broken tackles, we like
Sean has always talked about like we always pay, we always
overpay for broken tackles, you know?
And then sometimes, guys, that's their like that.
That was Zach Moss's only trait. Right, right.
Yeah, that. Was what actually mattered
trade? It's like guys take different
paths to getting efficient, you know, to being efficient
rushers. And that's.
That's what. What path did Judkins take
exactly? Playing for Oh, No Ohio.
State Oh, he didn't take any time.
For Ohio State. No, but he wasn't efficient at
Ohio State at all. Yeah, no, he wasn't.
He really wasn't. Henderson was much better.
All right, I got AI, got a little.
We could just play a little game.
How many rushing touchdowns? Like he played at Ohio State?
Well, he had 5.5 yards, that's fine.
The previous period 4.3 at Ole Miss.
He was hurt. He was hurt that year, played
through a played through an ankle injury.
I. Don't.
That's what I would say. That is what I would say.
How many rushing touchdowns total for the Cleveland Browns?
I say 13, 13 total rushing touchdowns.
How do you have a bad median? What's the bottom?
What's the bottom for this stat normally in the league?
I mean, the Bills had 30. Yeah, what's the?
Last year or what's the last year?
What's the low? I will, I will, I will pull it
up. In 2024, rushing touchdowns
median was 13. The Cowboys had 6.
The Browns last year had eight. The New York Jets had eight.
The Minnesota Vikings is kind of weird.
They had 9. The Patriots had 10.
So basically like the 15th team in the NFL had 15, so 13 I.
Actually, 13's good. 13 was high I think actually.
Oh I'm I'm feeling like a nice 10.
So I think my way of stating that would be we're, we're
actually probably I, I might need to move Judkins down a
little bit. How many passing touchdowns do
they come up with? Passing touchdowns for the
Browns last season, 19, One more than the Patriots, four more
than the New York Football Giants.
So 6 for Chadur, 5 for Flacco, 2 for Gabriel.
Or for Pickett. 3 for her for Pickett.
The Browns The Browns couldn't have taken.
The Browns couldn't have taken Tommy Mellett.
They couldn't have taken Tommy Mellett just for me to.
Dream one for Gretchen Wieners. That's a bit annoying.
I know Elijah Moore caught one last year.
New new Bill Elijah Moore. Yes.
By the way, Speaking of of breaking tackles, I just thought
of a line when I was talking to Ross Tucker a few weeks ago
about Genti and I I never heard a bad word about Gente from
anybody. Everything was just like, he's
amazing comparing him to generational prospects.
And Ross at one point said, you know, though the five yards
after contact per carry maybe make somebody miss once.
It's it's an interesting take, but the reason why he has so
many yards after per carry is because his runs were so long.
So like if you think about it. Your yards.
Your yards after contacts per attempt.
You're saying Genti doesn't make people miss?
No, it was just a, it was just a comment, like a throwaway
comment he made. Just like you know.
That that is. Spoken tackles all the all the
mileage on them already. That's in numeracy, in action,
not understanding that if you have two, if you have 260 yard
touchdown runs where you were contacted near the line of
scrimmage, that is going to super skew.
Genti makes people miss constantly.
That's like his whole thing. Yeah, I mean Genty's.
Whole thing is every. Genty's whole thing is
everything. It's actually bearish when you
run for seven yard touchdowns if you think about it.
I'm glad that was a throwaway comment cuz that's.
I just thought it was funny. Genti's first game where he goes
14 carries for 48 yards. People are just gonna be up in
arms. They're gonna be like, this is
Bijon with Arthur Smith all over again, where he Mostert looks
bad, like the first bad Genti game, the all the all the olds
are gonna be like. And you guys were taking a
Raiders rookie running back in the first round.
Yeah, right, dude, it's gonna be.
It's just prepare yourself for that.
Can't wait. Yeah, I'll be fun.
That's what we talked about. DraftKings next week.
Yeah. We talked about the veteran
running backs a little bit already, not so much Pacheco
Davis. How did he come out of this
draft pretty? Good.
I mean sad. Sad to say it, man.
Pacheco probably just like the clearest chance of being a
league winner of of this group of guys.
And I, you guys know, it pains me to say it because that is
then by transferral, by transference, that indicates
that the Chiefs are going to be boring and annoying on offense
again. But if the best replica of the
McKinnon role, which became the P run role, is a seventh round
rookie, they might just have Pacheco out there for 80% of the
snaps. Because I don't think my
position right now, if you made me bet at -110.
Either way, is Kareem Hunt on the Week 1 roster?
I'm betting -110 No, he is not. OK, interesting.
So yeah, because. Is Pacheco is going to be
obviously on the roster. Smith I would think is probably
on the roster, but not not I guess guaranteed, but I'd like
to bet on him. Mitchell.
And well, that's the thing, It's Hunt versus Mitchell, right?
Probably for the third spot. I mean 3.5 versus 1.5 million
they signed, they signed Mitchell the.
The first week of 3.5 guaranteed for Mitchell.
I will, I will look up. No, he actually, so this is
actually did look us up the other day.
The interesting thing about his deal is it's 2.5 million
guaranteed or 1.35. Guaranteed it's 1.35, yeah.
He has really interesting incentives that I think it is
kind of interesting to see how his agent negotiated this.
So he's got touchdown incentives up to 7 touchdowns.
He has playing time incentives up to 50% of the snaps and
rushing yard incentives up to 707 hundred yards.
That I think is not nothing in terms of how they structured his
deal. And I think it's interesting
that Mitchell was willing to sign it.
Yes, right away. Well.
Yes, so guaranteed money. By the way, it's 1.35 for
Mitchell, it's 80. It's 850K for per Hunt.
So there is a 500K guaranteed gap between them.
I don't think that that like. That money's on top of the of
the guarantees, I guess, right? Yes, I'm not.
I'm not signing. 1.35 yeah. So it's, it's a little bit more.
It's it's, it's definitely not. But also the relative paucity of
these contracts is just a huge boon for Pacheco, I think.
Yeah, no, that I agree with that did.
You just say the relative paucity of the contracts.
Yeah, did I use that word? Cheap.
They're cheap. No, you you used it
impressively. Yeah, very good.
I think I just like. Word of the day.
Yeah. So I mean, but also the other
thing on top of this is the Chiefs are so, so arrogant and
just being like, you know what we're going to do?
We're going to be bad at throwing the football.
We're going to lose two of our star defensive players.
We're going to let our best offensive lineman go to the
Chicago Bears. We're going to try and be a a
running team, but let's actually just have shitty running backs
and just like a bad offensive line, bad running backs.
Let's and let's just see what happens.
Well, that's that's the thing. I Pacheco has been one of the
toughest guys for me to figure out in the rankings because you,
you talk about like Swift and, and all, you know, Pollard and
all these guys, you're like, well, yeah, he sucks.
But we're betting on the situation.
This is maybe a better situation than than some of these other
dudes. You're on the Chiefs, you're the
lead running back on the Chiefs. And we've seen Pacheco take
advantage of that in the past. It's just at the end of the
season he was trash and he didn't get, he didn't have the
role and he was losing it between lunch I.
Think you could argue he's actually better than the rest of
these guys. That that's kind of yeah, that's
been the thing for me. It's like is, is this Pacheco
from a couple years ago? Because.
I'm that so that's The thing is I don't expect him to be.
I don't and and also Pacheco is because this injury sucks that
he had the same procedure that Mark Andrews had that Tony
Pollard had that tank Dell had that completely changed their
efficiency. Crane open this tab up.
I just I just shared my screen bring this up.
This is so I've just been using these as shorthand because no
one else has full detailed projections up yet.
These are Mike Clay's NFL projections.
I'm not using these as gospel or anything.
When we get when we get different projections, I'll
start using them. But this is how he has the
backfield broken down and it's the most disgusting split of of
nastiness you can imagine. He has Pacheco for one eighty
183 carries Kareem Hunt for 115, Eli Mitchell for 30.
I would disagree on that, but whatever, it's instructive for
the point. Carson Steele active for special
teams. He's got him in there.
He has Burchard Smith basically as like an injury.
Week 18, yeah. And he also has worthy for 19
rushes, which I think napkin math that sounds about right.
I mean, maybe like if Pacheco is 80% not 100% health, this is
probably what it's going to look like.
And it's going to be just the the worst, grossest Meyer
situation. But ascribe some.
I always knew when Pacheco came back last year, he was going to
be bad because you can't break your leg and come back and be an
effective NFL running back. The question is, how far along
in his recovery is he now? But really, I'm just annoyed
that Caleb Johnson is not a chief.
Like just can we just. Agreed.
Can we like just can we not do this every year with the Chiefs?
One of the positional groups is like the worst in the NFL. 80 I
don't know what the Chiefs is like.
The Chiefs are, they love doing a little last minute surprise.
So there's a pretty decent chance that like one of these
guys, maybe two of these guys gets caught and they are the
team that trades a seventh round pick for someone on August 28th.
Miles. Miles Sanders.
Caught from waivers or whatever. Like there's that they're that's
always in play for the Chiefs. They're super active with that
stuff. So the the history, they're
always, they're always live for the last minute rug bowl.
The history of this is so deep. I've actually done like, I mean,
obviously I've gone deep into this, but I mean, they've done
this literally every year. I mean, you guys, no one, no one
remembers this, the year that Carlos Hyde ran for 1000 yards
for the Houston Texans. He was a Kansas City Chiefs.
He was on the Kansas City Chiefs until 10 days before the season
started, he was on. I recall he was.
On the Chiefs, Le'veon Bell, Melvin Gordon, Lashawn McCoy,
just Andy. Andy cannot help himself.
It couldn't do it with Ronald Jones.
You just couldn't let Ronald Jones be there.
I know. I forgot.
I forgot we were drafting Ronald Jones on the Chiefs.
Yeah. They just couldn't.
Let him have it. Yeah.
And like the ninth round. This is the most annoying.
This is the most annoying game. Ever looking for the guy who did
this? I I actually get.
I actually get everyone who hates the Chiefs.
I I totally get it. I mean, just look at this man.
Look at this. Yeah, yeah, I it's gross, man.
And they did this like Daryl Williams, Damian Williams, like
these guys were also just. I can't even, I can't even, I
can't even talk about Damian Williams.
I mean that is just. It used to be that they could
find like, let's hope, Rashard Smith.
Yeah. Oh, Shark Kendrick W was good.
Shark Kendrick W was good. Vile David Williams.
Was good. Yeah, I mean, well, the OK, so
they draft Kareem Hunt. What was he?
A third round picks? He was a third round pick.
Yeah, third round. Pick, so they say spent, you
know, a reasonable amount of capital in position.
He gets cut off the field stuff and he was an assault and then
he gets replaced by Damian Williams.
Yeah, it's. Dame time and then they don't
bring Damian Williams and they then they then they draft CEH,
which doesn't work. So now we get Darrell Williams
and stuff. So they've actually spent at the
running back position at points. Why couldn't they just and like
in this class like it's a? You couldn't.
Get You couldn't get by shell tootin.
You're telling me that you just did?
Oh God. But I mean, they also did draft
a guy that we like really late. So like, if the Brashard Smith
thing could happen, that could be really exciting.
That's what we need though. We need Brashard.
Smith your your your fairy fairy tale man.
I mean, Pacheco is a round seven pick.
Davis Smith is a better prospect than he Davis.
Brashard Smith has one of the things we love to talk.
About he's converted. Well, that and he's a kick
returner. He's not just like a kick
returner, he's a kick. Returner.
He's a kick. He's.
Really good. He's a really good kick
returner. He had like 21 like a big
sample. He had over 24 yards average
kick return. Like he he has a really good
shot to be their starting kick returner.
And you know what that means? Worst on game days.
Worst nightmare Just actively funnel me to jail week 1.
Pacheco Hunt, Mitchell Steele and Rashard Smith are on the
roster and all active because cars.
Steele. Steele is he's a core 4 special
teamer. He plays.
He plays on all the units. We did Steele like Steele's.
He has. How has he not been written off
this show like he already had his arc?
It was the fans hated it. It's so dude worst worst arc of
all time. What's going to deal with the
whole stuff? Fullback backlash?
I can't. Didn't you get the Internet
backlash was so strong. How was?
How have you not started? He started a game at running
back for the Kansas City Chiefs and I lost a bet to Peter Carson
Steele versus Cam Akers. Good Lord, come on.
What are we doing? I hate this.
Carson Steele is Stannis Baratheon.
That is like, I can't explain why, but that is incredibly
accurate. Yeah.
Carson Steele is Mr. Echo. Carson Steele is Mr. Echo from
Lost. Steele was one of the worst
touts. Honest to God he wasn't.
He started a game for the Chiefs.
What happens after that is running back is no.
Literally, it's the. It's the literal.
Exactly. Harson Steele's Raptor should
have been. Rumble the ball like 100 million
times. Then he would have he can lead a
steel to water, but we can't him make it not.
Steel would have had Kareem Hunt's season if he didn't
fumble. He straight up.
He straight up would have just had Kareem Hunt's season.
He looked like he was going to hit.
It was the game against the Falcons and he looked like he
was going to totally hit and then he fumble immediately
against the Chargers and then it was over.
But it was over. Yeah.
Oh God. That can happen.
Oh, this is a good, this is a good question.
Davis, you want to take this one?
I can't Mahomes, by the way, is so in his head, he's he did his
media availability after the draft and he's already doing
this. Thank we're we're going to throw
the ball deep. We're getting back to, you know,
we're getting back to our roots and like the dude's going to
come out and be dead last in the NFL and A dot again.
They're going to try, they're going to try 1 deep throw in
Week 1. It's going to be either an
interception or Mahomes is going to just miss Xavier Worthy, who
looks so wide open that he looks like he's doing a punt return.
Fair catch. And it's going to be it's going
to be over. It's going to.
We're already getting some Jalen.
I see. I see Patrick Mahomes, like,
like, you can't make out what he's saying.
You can't hear him. And he's just like, like, you
know, it's just a clear overthrow, but he's mad.
He. He and he's waddling and he
waddles back to the huddle we're.
Already getting some. Jaylen Waddle on Thursday night.
Like finally, finally. It's Thursday night in Vegas and
someone else is on the TV. Yeah, they were on the field
yesterday, right? They were.
They were one of the teams that already started mini camp.
Yeah, rookie. By the way, can we just
acknowledge just just the, the, the, the majesty that Davis has
pulled off here by getting us to not we've removed the slides,
we've pulled up 2025 chiefs projections and we're just
talking. Chiefs.
We just changed bogus to talking chiefs.
I'm just watching dude. Is on this team.
Robert Tonyon. Robert OK, Shoop, you did you,
you you do bring up a point, which is that the slappies
actually can't help themselves with this Jalen Royals thing.
Jalen Royals is like the definition of Justin Watsons.
Jalen Royals is the is the Rashi Rice's of of Jalen Royals is the
Justin Watsons of Rashi Rice's. Yeah, that is, that is 100%
accurate. He he might be the Justin Watson
of Justin Ross's. Oh, he might be.
That's what I think he is. Yeah, and as as Corrine
correctly pointed out, Smith is is art is more likely to get the
bump for special teams than he is.
I don't think Royals returned punts at all.
And I think Dave Taub has won his battle with Andy Reid to get
to have Nico Remigio active on game days to be a special team.
He called Nico Remigio the greatest special teams player
he's ever seen, which frankly, does feel like a bit of an
overstatement. Do you think?
Yeah, OK, that's enough, Chiefs. Yeah, enough.
I don't. I don't.
I don't need to talk about. 2025 projections off the Matt Davis.
Please have those updated for next week.
All right. We can do the Colts next week.
Yeah, baby, I, I, I'm.
Really excited to get Show breaking down the projections to
the 9 guys who are active at wide receiver for the Bills.
On Oh It's It's Hell again, It's Hell Again, Elijah Moore.
Are you guys taking a victory lap on them signing Elijah
Moore? Is that is that?
You can only, you can only do so much of that.
I mean, it was just so funny. The timing, Monday morning, 8:30
last week, is Brandon Bean on WGR just blasting at people who
think the Bills need help at wide receiver 905.
There's Elijah Moore, you know, in for a visit.
Yeah, he, he was really. I listened to that clip.
He, he, he did not handle that gracefully.
He was hot and he did every other media possible available
to him last week, You know, sort of maybe soft pedaling, I don't
know. But is Elijah more interesting
to you guys at all? Well, let me let me ask you, let
me throw this to you, Mike, as it pertains to Keon Coleman,
first round pick for the Buffalo Bills last season.
Two O 1, but yeah. 2. Second round pick.
I'm doing dynasty trade with Michael Leone where I'm
attempting to acquire all of his future picks.
I have this beyond awful team. I have the one O 1.
Leone is the only person in this league who's willing to give up
multiple firsts, multiple seconds, yadda yadda, but he's
saying I just can't. I can't just get the one O 1.
You have to give me something and I have literally no one on
this team. This is the worst.
I I had eight players score 100 or more points last season on a
30 man roster. It's it's as dire as it gets.
OK, I have Quintin Johnston. I have Jail McMillan.
I have Xavier Leigh GAT. I have Keon Coleman.
Not great, right? He wants Keon Coleman and I'm
like Mike, I can't give up Keon Coleman.
I will give you Leigh GAT. I will give you McMillan, but I
cannot give you he's the only guy with a semblance of upside.
So that was my rubber meets the road of I think those guys are
dead. I think Leigh GAT and McMillan
are are basically dead. But Keon Coleman, at least I can
squint and see Keon Coleman breaking out with the Bills.
He's the only guy on their roster who does what he does.
He's the only big guy. Like if you think about it.
What were you getting for Keon Coleman?
Basically just to facilitate this trade where I get all of
Leonie's picks like it's. I would absolutely include Keon
Coleman. Me too.
I. I did I I gave him Leeget and
McMillan and kept Coleman. I'd rather have McMillan.
I think in the vacuum that Coleman.
I'd rather Coleman, but it's
it's. Closer than I don't have Coleman
cause Mcmillan's not even going to play, is he?
Yeah, well, I mean, the story about the Evans and Godwin are
older and I think he's not, not bad.
I don't know if Coleman's good at all.
But Coleman could. Theoretically, and this is very
thin, but he could play his entire rookie contract 80% of
the snaps with Josh Allen. Like theoretically, yeah, but
that's. The guy you can go get that, you
can get that with like go get Romeo Dobbs then, you know what
I mean? Like that literally he's he's
Romeo Dobbs. Oh.
My God I'm serious, it is so over for Kia.
Coleman it's. Over.
I don't know what they're gonna do.
Robbins is the only reason. Hire hire yards for a run than
Xavier worthy guys never forget that.
Well, to be fair, yeah, to be fair, if I can make.
Those 1 trade higher yards for a run.
If I could, if I could torture this data, he had a 70 yard
touchdown where three defenders just fell down.
Yeah, well, makes plays. Maybe David Wordy should try
that bro. I I don't know what the the
ceiling is for Coleman. I mean, I think more is ceiling
is right back. But the roof is pretty low,
right, right, right up of your head.
We're right back to last year with the Bills when they're
bringing in MVS and Claypool and just throwing darts.
Elijah Moore buy his money is more than that.
But Palmer, that was part of Pat Bean's tirade.
Kind of was like, don't tell me I didn't Josh Palmer do anything
at wide receiver. I brought in Josh Palmer and
like, read that at Tyler Dunn's website and just yeah, do me.
Things. Right.
Not the last. I've already very similar to
see. Higgins on a certain program so
you know there's that the. Thing with Coleman is that he's
like as a prospect we had these concerns about can he separate?
He's kind of a boom bust prospect because he, you know,
he's an early declare guy. There's some production, but
like how the production occurred is fairly concerning.
Like maybe he can't separate and then he gets cast in this like
big X receiver role, which you know, Matt Harmon has written
extensively on, like why? That's actually a terrible fit
for him. And he should be kind of like a
big slot type where you're trying to like get the ball to
in space. So he can, you know, because
he's not going to generate separation on his own, but maybe
he could be interesting after the catch.
So he's like the worst possible role for a skill set.
Then it like plays out that like he's not separating and now he's
got back in that role again. I mean, he he couldn't even
really pass Matt Collins last year.
Like the yards per route runs one thing, but like, what about
the routes? Like he was straight up in a
committee with Matt Collins for most of last.
Season and now Matt Collins is gone.
Now Matt Collins is gone, so there's there's upside for him
to consolidate the sacrificial X role.
But like he really has to show like this has to be a really
impressive jump, which we have gotten.
You know, DJ Shark came out of nowhere in his second season and
was wasn't a really good ex receiver of that year.
It happens. We've invoked the.
Name Jay. Shark.
Was that's kind of where I'm at. Like I think we're betting on
something like that. Yeah.
Michael Gallup is is maybe, you know, you could get the Gallup
second season, maybe. Gallup could have been OK if
they didn't trade for Cooper. And well, he tours ACL after I
think he's his third season, he tours ACL so.
I don't want 1000 yard season with Liam and Cooper.
Time is getting tight. I don't want to take us down a
bill's path any too much further.
But Davis, you might like looking up there, literally.
Any Bills pass catcher? Leading receivers per game Last
year, there might have been 10 or 11 different players.
None of them was Kincaid. Where's the Bills slide, Mike?
Are we? Am I missing that one?
Next week, TuneIn, Next week, I didn't bring it.
I didn't bring it to where? Are we at?
I'll leave this one. Where are we at?
Where? Where is the where?
Are we at that's? Who you talking?
About where are we at? Good question.
Where where I'm at, where I'm at is to me.
This is not my beautiful life here.
This, this could be our last thing and then we can do our
game at the end. I I just want this here.
I'm just pretending like ETN and Bigsby are immaterial and I'm
just taking Tooten and it's probably bad but I don't care.
I'm taking tooten as well me. Too, I'm taking tooten.
I take some ETN. I, I haven't taken any Bigsby,
but Tooten is, is definitely the, I don't think it's ETN.
I think I have with ETN. I feel like I have two outs.
It's like maybe he makes it work on the Jags or maybe he makes it
work somewhere else, which I guess if he doesn't make it work
somewhere else, that's good for Bigsby too.
But I I've been mostly just clicking tune and a little bit
of ETN. ETN could have the Leonard
Fournette season where he gets cut by the Jaguars and then just
immediately becomes a running back. 100 different team.
So Etni think I, I do think it's pretty unlikely to be moved.
I mean, he's an unrestricted free agent after the season.
He's on the he, he's getting paid $6 million for a backup
running back. He's like really good.
If Etns are backup, that's pretty sick.
You're only paying him 6 mil. And if he leaves next year, he's
going to sign some somewhere and you're going to get a comp pick
probably, right. So there's no real reason to
trade him like this. This is a team that's that's
looking at this year as like an important year, you know, to get
to hit the ground running. So Breece has Breece has two
years on his deal, right? Or is he a free agent after the
year? He should be one more.
He's the same as James Cook. He should be one more.
Because Etienne Etienne's playing on the 5th year option.
That's why him and Breece are both.
One right, OK. So Breece is also free agent
after the year. So that's that makes him less
likely to get traded as well. Yeah, I don't know.
I guess I'm I'm skeptical either these guys gets moved, but I do
think I still think ETN is fine where he's going because I mean
for one thing like you're like as a contingent bet he's he's
OK. Well.
The thing is someone, someone from this backfield, I think, I
mean, maybe it's such an ugly split that it it's muted, but
this backfield is going to have points.
It's going to be a good offense. They're probably going to play
at a high pace. And we've seen Cohen, you have
last year at times strong value for both Irving and White.
So right, there's going to be value here that's just and none
of them. Each end is currently the
highest ADP at 120, so some. That is a little higher than I
would like, but. I would just be surprised if
none of these guys wind up being really good clicks and I Bigsby
is the one that I think is the least interesting just because
he doesn't really. I agree catch passes so I'm I'm
willing to bet on one of VTN or Tooten being being a big hit.
You're scoping at his PFF receiver grade of 4% last year,
Bigsby. Tough.
All right, I don't. Think he ran well last year I.
Don't think he's any good. I don't really.
I think he's like the most like whatever player people people
feel strongly about him. I I do not.
He was an efficient runner last season, but I just this is bad.
I don't want to deal with the RB threes like, you know, like give
me the I want the RB1 and the RB2 on a depth chart.
Taking the RB threes, you get so much downside.
There's so much risk of a zero. And then the upside is that you
have a handcuff, which I can find elsewhere.
There's handcuffs available where you would take Bixby.
So if something changed and you like DTN did get traded, then
big speed I'd be I'd be fine with cuz I do think he's a
pretty, I mean last year was impressive in terms of the
rushing efficiency. Sure.
And now last call Davis running out the door last week
throughout the name of Rhonda Gadsden I.
Sure did. I jumped in with Brashard Smith.
Jacob went scrambling for Deonte Johnson, now a Brown, and Pat
with Pat Bryant, of course. Right, He would pick a Pat I
shouldn't. I shouldn't get to go first.
I've got 2 names only that I like this week so I'll see if
you guys snipe them both. I'll I'll jump in and do 1.
I did a rant yesterday on best ball breakfast about Woody
Marks, who I don't like as a prospect but is one of these
clear cut handcuffs I think. I mean, maybe he's bad enough to
have them trade up for him and still not be able to lock down
the number 2 roll. But I think he you know, it's
kind of it's Jaden blue esque in that, you know, he's kind of a
passing down back. It's it's less ambiguous.
This is more of a contingent type of bet for any like major
upside. But Nixon is what I think 29 and
you've got the team trading up for Marx really does mean
something to me. Like this is this isn't a fifth
round pick. This is a guy that looks more
locked in for a role and he's completely free.
You can just sit there. They they traded a day a day two
pick for a day three running back.
It's crazy. It's absolutely crazy.
They trade away a third round pick to go up and get them.
It's it's yeah, I don't but but they like them.
Clearly you don't do that if you're not going to have them
it. Has to work.
It has to work. Yeah, OK.
All right, I'm prepared to cheat.
I'm going to take Tyler Shuck. Fuck God damn it.
Got escape to where the grift is going, not where the grift.
Is going Jacob fucking damn it, I was so ready.
That was a great pick. I, I had a soul read that that
was going to be who Jacob wanted.
So I will be I will be taking Tyler Shock at the as my my 5.6
pick. Jacob, you want to go or I'll
go. Well, I can't now I got to
figure out who the hell I'm picking.
I'll take Terrence Ferguson. It's pretty you you win style
points for that one. I mean, these rookie drafts are
you do tight end rich in the third round if you can, if you
don't end up with Loveland or Warren, Man Arroyo and Fannin
and Ferguson are all fun. Mason, Taylor, even.
They're all fun. All right, well, this I believe
the specifics of this game is it's, it's the week 15 through
17 optimal lineup. Is that correct?
Yes, I don't think I. Don't think we're actually, I
don't think we've actually landed on a rule set, but sure.
I think that's what we're doing, yeah.
It's like best ball. So I was definitely wanted
shocked because the quarterback situation is getting dire across
the board. We're.
The Browns, I don't think, I don't think that this, that's
what I'm Cohen. I don't think this guy's
flickable in basketball because I don't think he's going to be
starting for enough the season to be this game.
Every time we do this game, it becomes increasing less.
Relevant, I do think. I do think he's going to be
starting in the money weeks. So that.
Particular game, so I don't think Mr. Shiner Sanders.
Oh no. I think, I think that is a
totally applicable to this game. I think.
I think it's applicable to the people watching as well.
I I, I don't think it is, but it's a click of the game for
sure. It's what we're doing, the
point. Of the game and just and the
game becomes the point in and of.
Itself, the game becomes the point, right?
It's supposed to be identifying last round picks that are good
in a. But a measure becomes a target.
It ceases to become a good measure.
That's right. I I do expect, I do expect from
December to care about these rosters and maybe I'll be the
only one, but I'll be looking to see what's happening here.
Is it Deonte Johnson? Yeah, listen, if, if, if this is
if this is our collective biggest sweat, then.
This full. Cast This full cast is gonna be
a very fun watch. That's that's.
How did we let, how did we let Jacob get Jack Bash?
I mean, what a what a leg up this has.
Here, that was first thing bro. I took.
That's right, Allen Junior. Dude, what's wrong with me?
I'm pretty happy with my Pat Bryant pick and.
The RJ Harvey. And Jackson Dart.
Jackson Dart. Pretty good.
Pretty. Good.
Oh, the dart. Pick pretty good as well.
Yeah, yeah. I'm excited to hear what you
guys have coming up and then to tell you what I have coming up.
Swirl cast is in 15 minutes. Also have a new video up on my
YouTube channel. Trying trying some shorter form,
more focused content talking about the range of outcomes for
Jonathan Taylor in 2025. So I would appreciate you
watching that, but you guys can hang out with.
Me, I, I I will make sure to catch that Colt's chasing.
Let's go. Don't don't think, don't think
you're going to appreciate my my viewpoint.
But out of Daniel, out of Daniel Jones talk, fine, but.
I mean, I hope so. Hope, hope we get 17 games.
That's so dark. Anyway, for me, you can't think
about thinking we're done dynasty content for the time
being. I mean, I'll keep updating the
ranks, of course, but the rookie stuff is pretty much over.
We did a big mailbag. We did the rookie draft
walkthrough, all the rookie rankings in several different
formats. So now we're going to be
transitioning to to basketball season.
So I'll have the the ranks up. I'll have some articles up and
whatever else people come in and request, but hope you guys have
enjoyed all the dynasty con and if you still have dynasty rookie
drafts, there's just a massive archive of stuff from the last
month or so on the site. So good, Pat.
Got underdog rankings, DraftKings rankings, all the all
the usual stuff. Check out the sidekick at
legendaryupside.com/sidekick for your dynamic rankings needs.
And yeah, Matt Irby's going to have some articles out on the
site very soon, so look for those I'm going to do.
We're doing a little long weekend here in in Cabo for the
next few days, so not nice. Too much writing for me this
week, but I'll be getting back at it next week.
Are you the Tony Romo or the Jessica Simpson?
What is that? What does that mean?
Remember when they went to Cabo during?
Like the four playoff game the week before.
Playoff game? What are these roles?
Am I the It's just am I male or female?
What are you asking me? Are you the one for going work
to drag your? Partner, are you the one
distracting who? Who's the distractor?
And who's the distractor? I suppose.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Yoko and the John Lennon.
I suppose I'm the Romo, you know?
The the I remember talking to. We've got a site to run over
here, you know. One of the Jacob, one of the
Buffalo Sabres at the time about that he brought up like, what do
you think of Tony Romo going on vacation this week?
And you know, Bulldog and I are both like, you know, it's fine.
This is right. He he's it's a bye week.
No problem. And and the the player was
furious. The player was furious.
How was Tyler not the one who asked that?
Yeah, Tyler, where are you, man? Did not respect it.
Come on in Jacob's honor you. Snap answer Jessica Simpson.
Jacob's honor for the Leafs. I've got my Felix pot van stick.
Just quickly I'll mention what am I up to?
A great thrill has just come upon me and that is that while
we've been talking, a riding lawnmower has been delivered to
my house. Oh, that's big.
That's. That is so big.
I've never, I've never had one, but the next thing I'm going to
do is go out and unpack it. And and you're then going to
have the guy Leone pays to cut his grass come over.
Is that the next? We've we've moved on.
I've got teenagers we're going to ride around instead.
We're going to cut the grass ourselves.
Nice. Beautiful.
Thank you, everybody. Thanks for watching and
listening. We'll see you next week here on
ADP chasing. Goodbye Well.
Hang on, I got to get the thing. Out.
Oh boy. But theoretically, we will.
Be theoretically. Theoretically.
I mean, that was a great outro. The professionalism of Show up
is unmatched. Why did Pete walk in, by the
way? Best ball breakfast?
Because to get the banner off, he couldn't get the.
I couldn't figure out what the banner was.
I thought it was in his thing. And so I switched his back and
I'm sure that was wrong. So Pete came in and yeah, no,
we're live. Yeah, OK.
Later.