All right. It is time ship chasing round
one draft party. We're gonna be here for the next
four hours reacting to all 32 first round picks.
We have a bunch of guests swinging by and a massive
giveaway from Underdog fantasy up to 2500 dollars in BDM 5
credit we can give away tonight. We hit some of our picks we'll
describe that all in short order.
I'm Pete. This is ship chasing with Pat
Gretchen. Guess let's do it.
It's a ship chasing annual tradition.
We got specs. We got Eric we got robbed.
We got Blair we got some we got Sam.
They're comparing Garrett Wilson to Lynn Swann.
Is that's for you? All right, that's of intro a
little we had to get a special draft intro going and I I was
working with lu on it and I was like is this Earth how many
years have we done this and this is our fourth year doing it and
each of the previous years had one iconic moment.
The Darius Tony the Lynn Swann and then the Gretch burp last
year. Let's put them all in one little
intro. Those are all three different
years. Oh, yeah, cuz one was Garrett
Wilson that was two years. Yeah.
Oh and by the way paternity Pat back from his two-week mandate
in Starship chasing paternity leave.
We only gave him two weeks off. Thanks for coming back to work
man. Yeah, not many people know it's
actually ship chasing that I get my fraternity leave from that's
where it's a little complicated. But appreciate it guys.
Yeah, no back today. I was doing a little bit of
sight maintenance type stuff and feel good to be back to the
computer. Just been being a dad for the
last week. So it's going good.
Vivian is sleeping pretty well eating really.
Well. She's a little baby shoes five
pounds 10 ounces. Oh wow, but she's already 1 1 1
1 That's the only eleven I will
say Pat. I I would overshoot like when we
would go in for April's like one month two month.
I would always be like really I'm like, oh no, she's
definitely gained like six pounds and Lawrence like she's
gained like a pound and a half like no she's growing like a
weed if she gained six pounds. That's a problem because she is
six. Yeah exactly.
Um, you know, we have eagle-eyed viewers.
Did I get a lighting director? Here's the thing.
I normally turn my lights on but I'm like, we're gonna go four
plus hours tonight in my new camera adjust pretty well
without it. I'm just like guys you're not
getting the special light tonight for almost.
I thought the same thing I almost went I almost came on
like this today, but I was like, I'll turn off halfway.
We got it. We got a pace ourselves it a lot
of ways tonight. Oh, I was starting my pouring
Margarita while you're starting literally used to stream yard
used to you everyone. It wasn't on screen.
Yeah. He hasn't he I also love like
that, you know has been doing the paternity thing.
I've been riding in my new newsletter about some healthier
habits Gretch just had a post that dropped earlier on stealing
signals talking about his positive habits.
And then I'm pouring tequila Benz write it out get margaritas
and yeah back on our bulshit for draft night.
We talked earlier today. We had we assume you're saying
someone sober repeat now we're going to but then I thought we
were starting at 8. And you were like are we
starting at 7:45? I was like, well, that was my
walk to look at story that that's taken so it but you know
what, it's good. I'm glad I'm glad that I'm not
drinking tonight. That's just it's better. that is
sharp Pete and I were shot in early and we were both like Are
you gonna drink you gonna drink like we should probably stick to
our good habits, and then I went to the store and I wanted to
buying tequila and three different six packs.
So that's what we're at. It's like you that you know how
you're not supposed to go to the grocery store when you're
hungry. Like you shouldn't go to the
grocery or the liquor store right before a live stream
before the NFL draft four hours straight.
We were talking before we're like, you know, we used to be
able to kind of put them away a little more easily and I got the
new baby. It's like let's take it easy
tonight. It's like are we washed but this
is kind of like a Rejuvenation season.
This is like DeAndre Hopkins when we all throw his wife comes
back. It's still good.
She chasing we still got it. That's right.
Um, but the chat has been watching us become old and sorry
Boomer slowly over the last couple of years.
We got to live up to something man.
I know really washed up here. Let's just do a quick overview
of some stuff. Let me get this overlay some
stuff. You guys can expect tonight.
We have been in the lab booking guests and we got a giveaway we
can do some table setting here day go and spags will be joining
us here in a little bit for the first block then Mike Leone and
Ron Stewart will be swinging by hopefully, we can capture the
Jets pick with Ron Stewart who we had a blast with his
self-loathing Jets fandom on a ship cast in the fall.
Then we will have that Davis in Sam Sherman Davis for exactly 45
minutes. No shorter.
No less 1015 p.m. Jacob Sanderson and Eric fine
for now. We're going to close it out with
our stat chasing crew and stuff Miller Sac religious Draco out
and Stephanie Miller so jam-packed and then Gretch why
don't you let the people know what we have going on with this
giveaway? I'll try to make it a little
bigger here. So people can know what the the
communal sweats are tonight. Yeah, we got I mean, this is
awesome. It's kind of like the Ship cast
in season. We got five higher and and lower
picks. Throughout the first round.
We're starting with Brock Bowers.
We have him going in the top 10. That was the one that we
discussed the most I think of all of them.
We did our typical get our heads together talk through our picks
like we do every week in season for the Ship cast.
We liked the the other three wide receiver ones kind of like
a mini correlation play here. We were worried about getting
docked from you know, the underdog the correlation
multiplier, but we went with Brian Thomas at 80 Mitchell both
sliding and Xavier worthy going in the first round which
captures the Bills pick on all three of those are just
something we love the bills at pick 28 Thomas and Mitchell of
both been mocked there a bunch if they go to 28 bills don't
move. We'll be right on either of
those being higher. If worthy happened to go to the
bills at 28, he would be lower than 32.5.
So we have the bills side of all three of those and then we took
panics to fall out of the first round.
So we got two that are whether they just go in the first round
at all were the impedance. I think my hot.
Take Pete you've been saying where these gonna go in the
first round. Basically.
I Lost season you've been all over that and getting really
good exposure to him in basketball.
I think we're gonna see him go at least 10 picks before the
first I think we will see him go by like 22.
I mean, I think he's like 19 or something like that.
In its so I just finally seen some mocks like reflect that I
know Jorah Norris had him to the Rams in his Peter Schrager had
him to the Jags in his latest one and I think when you couple
it with kind of some of the question marks about the injury
stuff with Brian Thomas the questions with 80 Mitchell who's
been kind of all of the board like Xavier Worthy is starting
to feel like the safe pick like after the top three in a weird
way. So yeah, I'm there and just to
clarify for these because I even saw some people when I posted
this graphic on the YouTube page like not necessarily
understanding the lower higher and I get that it's confusing
the best way to think about it is lower means before in higher
means after so Brock Bowers before Pick 10 and a half Brian
Thomas after picking 19 and a half.
That's how you need to read later is in that I was converted
because I don't I don't like the higher lower everyone that hits
500 dollar credit goes to somebody in the chat.
I mean we got we're giving out a lot of money.
Here tonight. It's going to be great.
Exactly. Yeah, we'll fire up how it will
work is when we hit on these we'll have a hashtag.
We'll use the streamyard tool you'll type that hashtag in the
chat and then shortly after we'll give it a window of like
five to 10 minutes and then we will spin that randomly for a
winner. So you got to be in the chat
when those picks hit put the hashtag in and then afterward
you just need to put your Underdog username in the
comments and then we'll match that with your YouTube name.
Make sure you get those credits and of course you do have to
have an underdog account in an eligible state to draft best
Ball Mania 5 teams. So those are the rules but this
is a complete free role in the other free roll scratch if by
some crazy happenstance, Jerry Jones says, you know what I got
to get Johnathan Brooks in around 1000 Dollar bonus.
We'll get to give away here. So that's a big ass Sweat Just
can one of these teams don't get off with a running back at the
end of round one. It seems possible.
Right and I mean I don't know if we've ever been this stoked
about a running back getting drafted but 1,000 to somebody
watching if it happens the Jerry Jones thing like everyone is
super into the Cowboys taking a running back in round two.
It seems at least possible that they would want to get their guy
the guy from Texas University of Texas Longhorn.
Maybe they trade back I wrote I wrote about it in my right up
today. Maybe maybe they get a deal done
with the bills maybe act like 28 and then they take him at like
28, but if you goes in the first round That's a great you trade
back and then you do the donkey thing and then you take the
running thing. We got an extra fourth birthday.
Oh before our guests start trickling in do you guys have
any other I guess I'll say like non-obvious like dream spots or
things you really would like to see happen tonight whether for
fandom for fantasy, like what's on your wish list Pat?
Here's my wish list. So I was kind of on the other
side of this Brock Bowers thing. I was thinking he would go later
then 10 because I think it really is about the Jets but we
heard today right the Jets Brock Bowers every draft.
They're getting mocked Brock Brothers every single time every
mock draft after his Brock bars suggest.
Well now we heard two things today.
We heard the Bears or willing to trade down at 9, and the Rams
want to trade into the top 10 Come on in for nine and draft
Brock Bowers. That's sounds so fun to me.
He's sort of a perfect fit there.
The the concerns with Brock Bowers is that you end up with a
let's just say an offensive coordinator who's favorite movie
is is gold member, you know that kind of that kind of donkey
level Behavior would not be great for Bowers.
I don't think he's like this type of guy.
You have to like be a genius to utilize he's kind of like Dalton
Kincaid or you know by I think better but like that kind of
archetype. But I do think you could screw
it up. If you didn't know what you were
doing. And so having him on the Rams
would I think it would make the Rams way more fun?
Like some of the cool things about Bowers.
He's gonna get matched up with cornerbacks a decent amount but
he's a pretty solid blocker and I think he'll block nickel
Corners really well, so you can have like the Rams kind of doing
what they wanted to do is show, you know, show one look and do
multiple things out of that look really would be a chess piece
for Shawna guy. Gretch what about you?
I mean, I think there's a lot that's a great one.
I want to do and say to go somewhere with a good QB.
I'm very in the tank for Dunes a i a weird one is I would love to
see Bo Nix land with the Broncos.
However that ends up happening. Maybe it's in the second round
or something. But I think that the Sean Payton
offense, I think we saw it with Russell Wilson last year.
They still had them throw running backs a ton.
Even though that wasn't ever really Russell Wilson's thing
this extension of the passing game and you guys know how I
love my high value touches and everything.
Like I just want the quarterback for Sean Payton to be someone
that like so bonex last year set the NCAA record and completion
percentage. She had like 78% completion
percentage, but it was all really low ADOT underneath stuff
a lot of that. He's good and accurate the short
area of the field and I think short area accuracy.
Is a skill even though it's not one that like we talked a ton
about because like really cares like it's not that hard to be
accurate in the short area in the field.
But bonex is like never gonna miss a throw on the short area.
That was like Drew Brees a superpower next probably do this
stuff down the field that breeze can do but if Peyton and Bo Nix
were together, I would take all of the Broncos running backs in
every draft forever like for as long as I was at like the
receptions would be so fun. It would be already been doing
that. So I'm pretty like seriously.
Yeah. I took a ton of B Ryan and stuff
and already in the preseason and Javonte.
I've been doing it too and the few drafts.
I've done you've done a lot more but I mean if you get that match
up like I'm just thinking not even just for 2024 but for like
the next three years, it's just beautiful.
All right. We got some wish lists items
there from Pat and Gretch. We got our first guest swinging
by Chris bags from probably in Splash play always fun getting
spags on the shows. Generally a Thanksgiving themed
Edition or the draft nights bags.
Welcome to the Extravaganza Kevin.
I got pulled out of the Frozen chamber for myself.
I'm ready to be here and excited to be here with Pat who looks
amazing for a man who's at a child recently and he himself
passed the child through his loins and now here he is right
eye and bushy tail which Pete I don't know if you remember those
first couple weeks. I was not I was like Yeah, I
don't think I look like that now he's got a lot of like he
beautiful right now for a man who's had a childhood.
Well, I mean, he casually mentioned in our chat the other
day that he has at night do all right.
So let's I mean when you're a millionaire like it's a little
bit of money. That's that's what happens when
you win best moment in your 30s. You're like what's gonna do the
baby? Old Pat would have been able to
go on an incredible, you know, the drive diving trip in the
Maldives or something. And now you just spend it on
like a lady to get your baby to go to bed.
That's exactly right, dude, but hey.
That's working out bags. We just got some wishlist items
from Pat and Gretch. What is big on your fantasy?
Wish list tonight? I would like to see Troy
Franklin go to the Buffalo Bills at their current pick at the end
of the first round because if I have this bet hit I've won the
big board is how I feel about that's basically I've been
making this bet for way too long to the point that people in
streams would steal Troy Franklin from me.
And this is the moment is where we could pay it all off.
So you were specifically stacking him with the bills.
After a certain point he was the only guy that had three visits
with the bills. So like I kind of connected the
tea leaves there like Brian Thomas didn't go there thought
that would have made a more a little bit more sense.
But I've been big on Troy Franklin.
I don't know how you could put up a 0.7 EPA per Target at you
know, a major conference and not be good.
And I think people are a little bit weird like size queenies how
I feel that all the mock drafts right now.
They're like always too small. They're you know, they're doing
what they do with tank Dell doing what they do with Xavier
worthy while Franklin he's just building Snoop.
He's built like Snoop Dogg, that's fine.
You make it I'm happy. You're here.
I like for Franklin a lot. I think he's kind of He's
probably a little like one-dimensional in the sense
that he's like kind of a deep threat guy.
He's not gonna be like used on like all the different routes.
I would I would imagine he's reception perception kind of
showed like he's really good on like deep browse.
He's really good one. There's cushion and he comes
back for the ball like like you would expect but I don't know
any kind of a like on a bills. I mean if you like the bills
version of like Christian Watson or something, like holy shit,
you know so much. Thank you where a guy produced
that much and it might be a weird thing because Oregon I
know like though next looks great in EPA Bucky Irving this
great EPA Troyer Troy Franklin looks great in EPA, so it could
be one of those like epa's bias Sports just really a fishing
offense, but I'm making the best.
I'm hoping. This is another big question
mark for tonight. Probably the biggest question
mark at the top Alex here who ends up with McCarthy and what
spot hearing Minnesota to five is very possible also panics to
13 likelihood. I mean my I do think that the
Vikings end up with them, but I just don't think they're going
to have to pay a premium for it. Like I think they might move up
a spot or two. I just don't think they're going
to have to go up to four or five to get I love Yeah, I love this
note just an hour or two ago. That was like the Vikings warm.
There's like tension in the Vikings war room.
It was on the ESPN broadcast. They went to to Jeff Darlington
and he was in wherever they are whatever Ranch and they have in
Minnesota, but he had the Minnesota backdrop going right
and he was like, there's tension in the room and all the stuff
and there's people speculating. I mean, there's competition to
go up and the fact that the Viking's traded for a second
first rounder 23 or whatever it was weeks ago, but then never
got the deal done like remember when the Niners made the Lance
trade and it was so early that it was like do they even know
who they want yet? And there was all that
discussion. But the reason they did that is
if you trade into three then no one else can traded you're the
team that's moving up. You give up all these first
round picks and everything the Vikings and really had to decide
what they wanted to do. Right?
I mean, they really you should know like a little who you want.
You probably should but Minnesota clearly wants to come
up for a QB that got that extra. First round pick it's I don't
think anyone is like gonna be surprised if they try to trade
up if they definitely up. well, that's what I'm saying this like
they haven't gotten it done before now and it like that now
there's a reporter on site saying there's tension in the
War Room in Minnesota like There's probably like do we
throw in that extra future? I think they I think the
Patriots are bending them over right now and like we know what
you want me and we're gonna take them we're gonna write unless
you Pony up and he do you think that discussion is like they're
holding out hope that they can get to three and they have a
deal on the table to get to like four or five to get JJ but they
really want to get to three and they haven't gotten the Patriots
sign off on that yet. Maybe that's what it is.
And the other people are like we gotta go up to four or five
because if we don't some other teams gonna go up to four or
five and get JJ McCarthy, we're gonna get neither of them.
Right? Like I think the Patriots are
gonna move down and try to get into position to take macarthy
is my bed. I think they trade with whoever
takes may I would guess the Vikings but because they have
the most draft capital and I think because like both the
Cardinals and the Patriots have said to reporters either
formally or informally that they're going to hold up to the
takes the last minute they're going to see what our what
offers come in and then kind of decide from there.
I had the Patriots are just holding out see if Somebody else
comes with a better offer and if not and they're gonna trade it
and get McCarthy McCarthy's like such a Patriots QB is going to
throw for 190 and two touchdown to do a nice game scripts if
they go to 11, they probably miss McCarthy.
I think that's one of the reasons they're probably just
wanting really are you like how confident are you in that
because I think he's like he's not Levis Fowler, but I think he
falls inside the top 10. I think people are gonna get
tempted by audience a by Giants at six.
I'm not I'm not like immensely confident.
I could see him falling to 11, but I guess it depends on if the
Broncos like once you get in let's say to eight Are the
Broncos now in range to come back up, you know, so and the
Patriots himself obviously could could do a small trade up.
I don't think if you're the Patriots you can trade to 11 and
hope to come back up. And unless you have like a three
team trade like all greed on the Falcons would move back Falcons
are gonna take like light too or somebody they could take good.
Yeah, they should. I just yeah, I mean maybe if
they could get him at 11, but I I guess if you're the Patriots
and you want a QB, I don't know how you can trade from 3 to 11
and hope that the other QB's there if you like JJ all along
and you think you could push them, I mean that's what you
would do in an action in a basketball draft.
That's the way we do it real right, but this is the best blog
there's millions and millions of dollars on the line.
Here's what here's what would be amazing.
What if the Vikings are on the phone with the Cardinals right
now working out the trade that they'll make with the patriots
the patriots like go figure out our other trade and we'll do it
says he's called it a shot. Kyler's getting traded in the
cars are gonna take their future kids it is.
I do love like, you know Gretch that report that there's like
tension in the Minnesota warm as if this hasn't been the dynamic
for months and they just been like hoping like one of these
days they'll wake up and it'll work itself out.
It's like how have you guys not gone through these scenarios by
well, you have to think that there are trades that are agreed
upon but that are contingent on who's available in the spots and
I wonder If that's part of this, it's like the Patriots really
want Drake Made For example, but for a while there it was, you
know, maybe maybe they have a strong lean on May or Daniel's
right and for a while it seemed like maybe they might go too and
but now it seems like we're back to it's definitely going to be
Daniel's and maybe that's influence the Patriot situation.
Maybe you know, they only want to trade out. contingent on
who's you know who's available at three so like like The fact
that none of these trades has happened doesn't mean that these
trades have not been negotiated, right?
We just don't know we don't know the deals yet.
I'm excited. I'm eager if you're the if
you're the Patriot. if you're the Patriots isn't you're
incentivized I think to trade before you're on the clock
because Is anyone coming up for Daniel's if you're wrong that
the commanders are taking you think they're taking down
everyone thinks taking Daniels, but what if they're not what if
they take men Raiders would come up in a heartbeat if they yeah
is that Eminem on stage it is I was just like if you're doing it
Detroit. He's just looks lost.
It Robinson going to be there. I hope so.
He's like, I mean also it's hard like Eminem does have such an
identifiable figure but he's wearing that hat like pulled
over. It's like I didn't when he came
out. I didn't recognize him as Evan
up. Oh, he's like he's getting
animated. Was he yelling something you
guys the shots gonna have to tell us moms Kimberly playing
Eminem or something. Yeah.
Man, this would have been like this is obviously very cool.
But this would have been a lot cooler if they would have pulled
out the NSA championship and played the Super Bowl and
potentially the Super Bowl champions at this point.
You guys blew that opportunity to trade people were like, oh we
extended Petty Sewell and Goff. We're gonna rock we're gonna get
golf next like they're so amped up purple Yoshi one of our
favorites. I know like a nice guy and all
the communities out there Detroit people are stoked just
signed contract extension. So it's a small bar to pass.
With this it is pretty sick. They made the NFC Championship.
Finally that last year. Yeah.
Would that be the best possible like if you're a hacker and
we're able to get into the Jumbo Tron right now and show the IU
catch from that game bouncing off his helmet.
Yes, that would be the best thing you could do.
No almond Ross doing. Detroit is pumped.
We're gonna see this is what like we're 10 minutes in and
we're nowhere near the First Bank getting it out.
So this happens every year. So you guys this we're gonna
have The solid 15 minutes late before we even get the first
pick in. I gotta ghost Jared Goff too.
I'm glad Jared Goff is on stage right now because like Teddy
bread not Teddy Bridgewater, they brought in but like all so
Hand in hooker. Like I kind of thought they were
preparing for a life without golf.
So he's back. He's gonna get 150 mil.
This is one of the benefits of leaving Los Angeles if you're
golf if this draft is in Los Angeles, they literally have
Ryan Gosling out on stage right now.
Yeah, right. You it's like you're not needed
it La in Detroit. It's like fuck dude.
You're all really. You and them that's that's what
we got. Ah, rude spags.
Did you end up doing a did you get in the proper mock draft
game? Did you do a full 32 picks?
I did I did a full 32 which is funny because I don't give a
crap at all about offensive linemen and defensive backs and
whatever but I know is gonna be a lot that go at a certain point
but I like, you know, the wide receivers I'm with you on the
prop betting stuff. Like I I think the one thing I
disagree with you guys, I do think add and I Mitchell goes in
the top 20. I think he's gonna be the one
guy that I would say, I would say pflughs way but gets goes to
the Jags. It's probably my guess besides
that though. Like I I'm the wide receiver
bets. I won a lot of wide receivers to
go but there's so many good ones that I think they kind of
inherently get bumped down from the fact you could just choose
choose your own adventure from like round two round three round
four, but that's like my biggest bet like he's I think are
historically great. So I'm excited for that.
And I think you'd be a full if they didn't go once you three
and then in macarthy somewhere after I believe you on the
Mitchell take because you're the first person I've heard say is
full name and not just go ads if you know how to say his name.
You must know something. I don't know.
That's like that's a Jewish tour thing.
When you do the ceremony that they have around Easter if it's
called the Seder where they do like the apple cinnamon dish and
get something to do his friends though.
I I do but I was not revealed yourself as the most woke person
on this channel. I went to what mostly Jewish
high school. So like we had that as like a
thing. Yeah, um, I oh the broadcast is
rubbing in the on the Panthers right now.
Oh, man, there's received DJ Moore.
What? Is 23 first round pick Bryce is
down to back next year though worse than I thought they got DJ
Moore and their first last year and their second last year and
their second next year and Caleb Williams for wow.
Wow, oh that hurts. Um.
What was I going to say? I I hope even though we have the
80 Mitchell. I just hope in general like
there's a surprise wide receiver pick in the top 20.
Like I just want to kick off the wide receiver run like if we
could get like both Brian Thomas and Xavier worthy both 80
Mitchell and Xavier worthy. And then these teams start
scrambling because they're looking around and like no we
were playing on taking a wide receiver next thing.
You know, your Troy Franklin to the bills plan.
I think it's lad. I think it's lad I had I'm glad
to the Bengals which I don't know is like the best pick for
them in terms of what they can do.
But if he Higgins wants to get traded, you know, you have
McConkey there can play the slot filling for Boyd Boyd's gone or
Higgins if Higgins is gone. You can have makaki playing out
wide moving into the slot. I think he's the one that could
sneak in the first round that I've been like a little bit down
on but he has the Athletics every film Guy's obsessed them.
I think Ladd McConkey speaks in the first round.
It's gonna be like the big stuff like that.
I like that fit as well because McConkey, you know part of the
appeals that he can play outside.
He's not just like a slot but I think he would be a really good,
you know, like third piece on that offense starting in the
slot. Let's say Higgins doesn't get
traded, but then he's gone after this year.
I mean then he moves to the outside and he can be kind of
like an inside outside moving around a little bit.
They moved to Mark Chase around a little bit.
So that would be I would be a very fun kind of future look for
the Bengals. I mean come on Chicago needs to
do what you do in Underdog you push the plane when you know the
pick I mean what? Clock is ticking down seven
minutes and 30 seconds. Just seeing if anyone calls.
You gotta see the cable literally sell you our franchise
for this thing. We're gonna say no to anything
we hear but you gotta let him call.
Fascinating if a team would release like if the Bears were
like, okay, we were always taking care of Williams no doubt
about that. But this is what it would have
taken to they should have to release that should be like
contingent upon them letting the clock tick all the way down as
you have to release what what if they yeah, I mean what like what
what could you possibly be doing?
You just congratulating yourself?
Like are you just you had so much time to do that already?
Yeah baked potato. I feel like these are the kind
of comments you get when you have spags on stream lad has a
hot girl friend teams love that is that part of your model spice
know it's unfair. I think I I'm not up with you
this what you meant Oh, you guys like blew up mathology that I
had him on after I got the sloppy seconds for him doing
this is called the squirt Squad. Don't try to side because he
took it on themselves and you left and then the the Beast got
wild. That's right.
Caleb though pretty good, huh? Good play everything.
You see like a grads by the USC. Most number one picks overall
now with this one. There you go.
Mmm. We got it.
You wanna have the most bust in one draft?
You dub only has Steve Edmond. We got who won that matchup
Spanx when I mean I recall it. I believe it was watching but
Caleb was already he was his nails were painted black.
He was kissing his mom and his fans crying.
There's a lot going on there. When was the last time USC was
even relevant? Right Reggie Bush things that
happened 16 years ago or 18 years ago.
I'm trying I'm looking at they haven't they went 10 and 2 in
2011. That's the last two wins season
other than the covid year when they went five and one.
Is that a John David booty here? Let's so you gotta go all about
the 2008 for them to have gone 12 and one one because when I
was in college there, it was the Apex.
So it's never like it can't ever live up that so after that it's
all been disappointment. You say yeah, that's the name
thing. I I'm not arguing that I
actually have a bet now with one of my college buddies.
About pennex we didn't actually agree on terms yet.
But I'm on the he's a little overrated and he's on the
everyone's over. Overlooking the obvious that
he's a winner and all this stuff.
So anyway, yeah QB wins that by your buddy right?
I did. Gretch be of your Washington
alums Stephen and are you impressed that he's still my
profile picture? I am every time I look at it.
I'm like, I remember that stream and how that came to be and I'm
just proud it makes me happy the over under I said it like 30
days and the the over is cleared.
I think I told you during that stream when I was in college my
senior year we ended up in a house with like I was never
dorm. But I mean I was never a frappe
but in the dorms I met a bunch of guys we ended up in a house
with 16 bedrooms, and we filled it.
We had 16 guys living in it. And on our mantle we had a
picture of Steve that like after a sack like doing the sack dance
and it reminds me of that every time I see your I see your
profile picture. It's just like that Steve
Entenmann picture on the mantle. It's a you know, it's a warms my
heart and it's bags. Were you brought to tears
yesterday? When you heard Reggie Bush would
be getting as Heisman Trophy back.
I mean, I think it's all a sham at this point.
Like it's even what they're offering them to be in the EA
video game this year. Like it's all a joke.
I they're making so much money but not making enough money not
if it makes sense to me and It's upsetting because like college
football college sports. There's a like what a 10% chance
at college sports just die at some point and I I don't love
that because like part of the part of the whole thing of
having a degree from you see is it's a refund some sick teams,
and I might not have that at some point.
House football my dad. I like it's not moving in a good
direction like the coaches bitch like head coaches leaving for
lots of coordinator jobs in the NFL is not a good sign.
I think it's at least if you're not, you know in the power
conference on the Big 12, you know, the SEC like it's not good
right now. The Bears draft room right now.
They're very excited. Stuff after you put the pick are
they? Okay?
Alright the pics the pick is finally in you know, spags.
What if the counter is this at the college ranks are actually
gonna try to destroy the NFL from within in Jim Harbaugh is
their cheap operative come in and set the game back about 45
years. Like I think Joe Walsh go in
there. I support office of lineman.
Let's let the receivers leave the regressive offense, but
Caleb's gonna go right now. It's exciting what color nails
he gonna have guys. That's It's a real problem.
Is that did they really do a Gatorade prop bet like that
color? I just couldn't care less about
the dude's nails. Like why does that come up so
much? You get the same people care
about beers and things, you know, you know why?
Oh. Yeah.
Wow, really? I should I should unloaded my
account minus 20,000 Caleb Williams to the bears eat out
some change in the couch cushions.
What was I think I'm beautiful. He's gonna Crush right like the
game all the weapons. This is like this is you can get
yeah, it's incredible. I mean this the Bears are kind
of be pretty fun. I mean, I think you have to love
the receivers in place. I took I mean I was doing a
bunch of those slos and I was finishing those up.
It's a lot of Roshan Johnson and Khalil Herbert at the end.
I mean, you know, like there's three backs there right now, but
like they're not gonna add to that backfield.
I don't think and swiss not like a super healthy guy like or
touchdowns. Did you take a lot of those guys
too? I didn't think so much Johnson,
but I've never just been that he went higher and I've never
really been yeah. I took a lot of Herbert I did
too. I took more Herbert.
And half PPR like he's gonna run.
He's gonna get some TDS like it's gonna be yes.
This is a fun offense you want pieces of this offense?
Like it's gonna be good guys like spike in the chat another
Ryan Leaf. What is Ryan leafy about him?
Who was a statue s prototypical 1990s pocket passer versus Caleb
who's like Patrick Mahomes, but with legs who has incredible
efficiency avoids tackles that are crazy rate like that takes a
Bound in the preacher after period guys and it upsets me a
lot of some of the Dead to work but the most like my the only
bear I can really muster at this point is if you set up so well,
I don't think he's like quite as fantasy from friendly as people
seem to think he's more of like he scrambles around and then
throws downfield more in the Mahomes mold, which is I'm not
saying he's gonna be good. But like I don't know that he's
going to be this like fantasy force of nature purely by his
own style of play the problem though is that like he is set up
so well to play that way and score fantasy points.
He's got Keenan Allen DJ Moore, so that's like What the fuck is
my point because he's going to do well no matter what you guys
don't let him pass like a good amount.
I mean, I'm a little worried about the rookie year QB like
password over expected stuff. Like is he gonna actually get to
Throw enough or did they pay Swift and have three running
backs so they can run too much. Well, that was so impressive
about Stroud right like they weren't letting him throw that
much. They're still running it at a
time in a Red Zone and he was just so Transcendent that he
still, you know got there. But at a soldier is pretty big
and like you have so much talent.
Like there's not dj more in key and Alan more Talent than woods
and Nico and tank Dell combined in three guys.
Like I guess he's got two greatest receivers within the
last 10 years. He's got to get Yeah, well, hey,
you know what was on the boots and don't forget.
Well, this was so bad. So would you look at like this
per round stuff? I didn't know someone could be
that bad and run 400 plus he scored points to get into the
winning on him about him in the offseason in the last year that
and that guy. I think I had a point because
you made the winning line. Yes know what no one can forget
it really says a lot of Nico Collins in your defense.
It was like my article. Yeah.
Well, I was just gonna say
that's like just such bulshit that like the thing we rise had
about is like Robert Woods like a disappointment.
Right, right. How was it even trying to rise
it? But she's Robert what's was
really bad. Like what does the three of them
combined is not hard to beat. It's two players.
He's the only one that offense. I was bad too.
Like Schultz was okay signal territory was okay, like
everybody would know what brown was.
Okay extra layers that he was back because like the right
answer was Texans wide receiver, but just not that guy Noah Brown
would have been fine. Couple Spike weeks in there.
So do any of you guys have not Jane Daniels being selected with
this next pick in your purse. I think our our future guests
Davis in his last basketball Mock Draft when I was looking
through his I think he had I just saw him in the chat.
Who'd you have Dave's did you have a car seat to here feel
like Davis Maddox final mock did not have did not have JD
Daniels. James the best fantasy rookie in
the draft. I'll say that Davis already
admitted on the soul cast he doesn't actually think that he
has a ton of Drake Maye long shots at two and he's just back.
Okay with the mock draft. He does it.
Okay his final his final mark on his Twitter does have Drake made
it too. So if it's just bad defending
that makes sense. I don't drink made more from a
fancy perspective. That's so inaccurate.
He is catchable ball R. He was worth Anthony Richardson.
And by the way race card, nobody nobody's bullshiting about Drake
Maye and how he can't throw the ball, but all the sudden he's
the best 60% catchable ball rates like incredibly bad.
I mean, he doesn't make sense because its completion
percentage because he was all he was all Airy yards.
He threw it like 160 yards a game to test Walker and then
yeah everybody else. That's that's what I'm into by
the way. I was on Anthony Richardson.
This is my type. I'm not defending you you're the
theoretical scapegoat here for everybody.
I was in on him. I was vocalized but I could fuck
off man. You guys were on our I was I was
out on him and got lucky. I mean I get admit that I was
wrong, but it didn't kill me because you got hurt.
Um, yeah don't know where dagul is.
Yeah. yeah, he he said he was going to be here or might have
been a little late but He supposed to fall asleep on
stream. What street not before he's a
rolling in I think is what I mean.
That's the thing. Old Bagel would have never a big
time dust like this. But no, I'm like the ETR
Mothership. I can just show up 25 minutes
late the silver the mode classic and he's gonna show up on our
other guests are on and want to be brought in we're gonna have
too many people on it. Once it's gonna not it's all
right, I could take I could pump Davis for dagul if we need.
Okay, actually we might have a salve Leo just DM me he saw his
end to getting to bed earlier and he's saying he can come in
right now because not all ETR guys are late.
So nice, we're gonna we're gonna bumpy Leoni to the top of the
line here. Oh, yeah, so we get the pick is
in here for the Commanders. Going up to do it.
How to drink may have a lower catch will Target percentage
than completely so I was actually it was on target.
So 61% Drake Maye sis data 61% on target rate 77% cashable
ball, right Caleb lower than Jade and lower than JJ next.
I don't care Michael Leoni the only prompt member at ETR he's
well, welcome. Welcome to the show.
It's a bummer. We couldn't get you for the
Bills pick, but we know you will be in like your second REM cycle
by that point. Yeah, unless they do I think
they're going to trade up but okay.
I think they're going to do a small trade up though.
So I will still probably be in the first round.
What did you I just saw you in the chat mentioned like the
Bears in a dude you think that there's a possibility the way up
to what is at 8 or 9? It well everyone around here is
like pushing for an audience a trade.
It's insane. Okay.
Um, really? the Joby which is really good
beat reporter for the bills had that in his latest mock.
The bill is trading up for a Doomsday.
Sending is it there iglia. Yeah, basically sending their
first this year their first next year in a second.
I think for you so sick. I would love that but not
necessarily for the bills. That's a lot of traffic capital
for receiver. That's I'm like, I'm like I
could maybe stomach it for like Marvin Harrison or Neighbors
which wouldn't happen because you'd have to trade out like way
too early. But but like I like a doomsday,
but I mean that that would be a lot for doing that when you
could stay put and maybe get Brian Thomas or were there.
It is it is funny Leona because you're you're GM is on record
having talked about. Did you give up too much for the
Josh Allen trade? He said no because if it didn't
work out, I'd be fired and if it hits no one cares, so they do
have that mentality over there in Buffalo.
Oh, I don't know if you saw all his quotes.
He like basically acknowledged like he shouldn't be trading up
as much as he did does but he gets impatient like literally
like like yeah, I probably shouldn't do this, but what a
perfect GM for the like the bills Mafia GM like I mean that
makes you want to jump through a table like that's yeah and a
couple different ways. Yeah.
He has his own like Sam Hankey PDF Manifesto called the
shortest Vision in the room. Don't be The average GM too, but
like this I know what to do, but I just do what I want to do.
Like it's a lot of pics through like concept stuff and whatnot.
So like he gets away with it a little bit.
Um, but even like last year, you know, they were impatient and
didn't wait for Kincaid and it's like, you know you gave up stuff
to get Kincaid when you could have waited probably would have
got him if you didn't he would have gotten laporta like but
man, rest in peace to Amigo and Davis on the Jayden Daniels
chocolate I mean Davis had that in his Moc like this is the
difference between like I did Amoco like a Miko place the bet
but had Jane Daniels at two and his Moc Davis plays the bet on
me and put me as number two at his mom.
And I think that's the difference you are 100% Correct?
Like Davis cannot balance like plus 450 being good.
But like also that's probably not gonna happen.
Um, what do you guys think the the paths do because in so they
don't know. Oh the picks in I think you
gotta take man. It's got to be that or the
surprise would be Marvin Harrison.
I feel like but that's I don't think I'll be I wish they had
traded down with the Vikings that have been fun.
Did this team? I mean they they would be so low
to take they've passed on just wide receivers in the first
round class after class. The one exception being the kale
Harry. That's where they finally found
a spot to dip their toes in the round one wide receiver Waters.
It feels like as we've gotten closer to the chalk has been
Patriot's take May and Arizona stays put and take his Harrison.
Yeah, Jane wearing sunglasses right now.
By the way. What what a star what a star
you're qb1. Would you say it's because the
Future's So Bright, he's gonna be throwing a John Dotson and
Zach hurts and Terri McClure is the star.
What a treat. I can't wait.
Please please the order of how you listed those names as well.
What I think Terry is actually good but it's hilarious.
That's the wide receiver chart. I still think he's gonna make
them all better. I can already see it.
We're going to be we're gonna be doing a draft with Lyon like in
the middle of July and he's gonna be touting Zachary.
It says our last round pick I can feel it right now.
I have you guys are sick. It could be any of this one.
Yes. I did Jaden taking the 20th
round. That's why not it's free.
Hey spags, we don't have 20 rounds anymore inflation hit and
we're down to 18. There's two rounders.
There's waiting on. Oh, man.
All right. see Drake Maye This is this what do you want to see
from the bills Leoni? Yeah.
Um, I mean I think like the awesome move the low-key fun
move. That seems not fun on the
surface is actually to trade back a little bit and get two
wide receivers in like the early second.
Like if they don't have a third and and like it or something
like that, this is a really don't want them to draft Keon
Coleman. He's just like generally I try
not to be too. Like I know.
Prospecting is hard and like these guys know way better than
me. But like Coleman's the one guy
I'm like, I do not want them to draft.
Yeah, Pat, where are you at? Because this this was a
plausible spot for met you you're very into him for
Fantasy. I assume this, you know dampens
your enthusiasm a little bit. But do you think I mean he's
gonna be cheap. He will be cheap because of this
landing spot. Yeah, I think I'm gonna have a
bunch of Drake Maye is the ways gonna go because this is
obviously what we were hoping would not happen this kind.
It's maybe not like worst case scenario worst case scenario is
probably the Giants take him because then you're wearing
about how many games even starts as a rookie, but this is bad.
I do I think Alex Van Pelt is the OC is okay.
It's not like a disastrous. situation in that sense I assume
they will draft someone for him to throw to as well.
So it's probably this is like as bad as it's going to look but
yeah, I mean, he's gonna fall a little like yes, but I don't
know like my whole thing with him is that he is mobile.
He's mobile around the goal line.
He throws downfield. He runs around and makes plays
he scrambles a lot like when he's he's scrambles from a clean
pocket a lot which you probably do at a pretty high rate without
receivers. So my biggest take with me is
that he's a lot more fantasy friendly in his skill set than
people of giving him credit for and I don't think that really
changes. You know as long as he's out
there starting will I think we'll get more fancy points per
snap than the market seems to think.
Yeah. I think I mean and just he is
that type of quarterback that people have been wrong on for
Fantasy. Right?
Like he is the Josh Allen the Justin Herbert not saying he's
going to turn into those guys, but like It happens multiple
times or every other you know, driving course in whence I think
the guys that he looks like that weren't long-term stars are
pretty encouraging from a short-term fantasy lens.
Like he he looks a little bit like when he looks a little bit
like Bortles, you know, like he does look like Herbert a lot.
But even if you say okay, let's use of ultimately going to be a
bust. I think he's gonna give us a
season maybe two that are really fun for Fantasy in the process.
He runs he throws deep balls. That's like all you need.
That one year one is like he was thrown defaults.
The highest rate in the league was running, you know more than
most people but he's got enough there.
It's just a matter like his last year.
He ran less. I don't know if that was a
business decision or the offense changing over the year before
last like he was running 10 times a game and looked really
good. So if he's gonna go out there
and go balls out and run a lot. I think he has a shots of each
Josh Allen and I think Van Pelt Like Pat was saying like I think
that's it. But it's yeah if he doesn't run
he's gonna be he's a really bad pocket faster.
He shouldn't be a pocket passer. I was what how I feel that The
other thing that could really tip the scales right is like the
whole reason everyone's gonna be down on him is the lack of
Weaponry. I mean if they could get hit on
a second round wide receiver, you know take advantage of this
deep class and really get a breakout there.
Then you can start to tell yourself a little bit more of a
story. May is going to throw it up like
somebody's gonna get it. If it's Osborne if it's you
know, if it's somebody you can draft a lot more than two.
Good. Once if Harrison goes to the
Cardinals here at four. I think it's super interesting
to talk through this Superfly rookie drafts.
I know you guys are mostly in the best ball mode.
But like the superflex rookie drafts are like really
intriguing to me. What if neighbor?
Yeah. yeah, I listen to your episode with Amoco on that and I
feel like the answer is to trade down off the 101 like because
you kind of got to take Kayla but I think you trade down and
take care of sin if you can or take sometimes it's hard though.
I know yeah, I was back back tracking my head a little bit
off that because like a lot of it the QB trade value is
indisputably insanely good like even a year out on these guys,
even when they're not good but from a practical standpoint if
you draft Caleb it might not be like even though the quote on
quote Market values still holds like If you're worried about him
and why not be easy to move it, you know what I mean?
Like it's nice to say like, oh, well the trade value still good
but like what is that mean? Because in fact I try to trade
Trevor Lawrence after his rookie season and people were like,
yeah, I'll give you like a you know, 10 cents and so it's like
so, you know timely like in startups and stuff is Cherry
Valley was was good, but that's true.
Like if he If he kind of struggles, especially with this
awesome setup. You're not you know, you're not
gonna Harrison for him next year.
Yeah, I think I think May is going to be the guy that falls
for sure and those superflex dynos.
Yeah, people are friends. And yeah sure.
Yeah, that's that's I mean, I like that that's in the tight
end premium Hill easily go ahead of him.
So we you think so, I think so. I think people get so spooked on
the landing spot. Yeah, that's sometimes I guess
it really depends on need. Like I was like some of these
ffpc rookie drafts. I feel like there could be a
different guy there at like six and seven based on the draft
like it could be met. It could be a dune's a like
neighbors could fall to like five in drafts, which would be
like kind of insane I think but at the same time if It goes like
Caleb Harrison Daniels and then like it just takes one either QB
pick or Bower's in front and like neighbors Falls to five or
something. I don't know.
It's gonna be I feel like you're going to want to be active
trading this year and the refugee dress or like be ready
to if something like that happens for sure.
I saw traded in one of my ffcs. That was the 109 in the 2009 for
the 108 and I was like one pick and it's a guy with Sean and I
said what that's for. Like it has to be for changing
right because isn't the one away now probably my teeth, but maybe
that person was thinking macarthy will go top seven and
some of these and a doomsday is the one away.
Yeah, this is where I need still ends up in minutes soda.
He'll go ahead in that case. Because yeah, that's that's not
good. But I do think you're probably
getting stuck with the QB. You don't feel great about it
108 now, whereas like for a while there you might have
convinced yourself that you get like a dune say or borrowers or
something at 108 to prop maybe a Dunes.
I honestly think taking Dunes over may be is gonna look like a
horrendous mistake if people do that like usually I do not think
you should do that. This landing spot is not bad
enough to where we should be moving him below didn't say
that's kind of crazy to me. I know me a Miko's with you.
I've been arguing with me goes pretty high on the quarterbacks
and general. Yeah, I mean they have the wig
cleaner path to like suck around startup value next year.
But if a Doomsday's a star I mean people have talked about a
Dunes they would be the number one receiver in most classes
kind of a thing. Yes, it's not.
And if May is not a hit, but she could very well not like what is
Crystal LaVey getting you at quarterback?
You know, I mean like even as a hit.
You need them to be superstars in order to get the quarterback
conversation if he's a Fantasy friendly quarterback, which I
really feel strongly that he is. Then it's just you're making
mistake taking a good number one wide receiver over him.
He needs to be great. NFL yeah.
That's tricky It's Tricky but guys, so you're right Leoni the
superflex first round. I just like so much like you can
like waterfall it too. It's like Caleb or Marvin
Harrison and then it's like you know neighbors are Drake Maye or
Jake like Jayden Daniels, I could see going to and some of
these over Harrison for like he'd be needy teams.
But like with him going second overall and the Russian ability.
I'm not saying he's a good idea but like I could see it.
Yeah, and we're not I mean his neighbor says a bad landing
spot. He could be the key to the
draft. Really.
What's a bad landing spot for Neighbors Giants?
Titans Titans Titans one day, I think that's the worst the
Titans would be pretty bad. I think this is the nut this is
the nut spot the Chargers like I mean, yeah, I understand.
They're not gonna throw it if you can get Herbert like So
looks like a theme on like the number two offensive tackle
going to yeah, seriously that Alabama guy JC laughed like all
everybody's been putting him in the latest Mox.
He was like we got to go like 10 to 1 to be first OT.
Sorry P know I just want to talk a little Marv just because that
pick happened and we haven't even mentioned it yet.
It is funny that the marf stuff is just been so boring.
No one wants to talk Marvin didn't do the combined didn't do
visits. You just good didn't want to
talk about it because he's boring because he's just going
to the Cardinals like this is just been you know it stone for
so long, but here it happens bags.
How are you on heart Harrison? Were you taking him in the
mid-second of these early Underdog?
I mean I was taking him sometimes in the first round
just to get some exposure if I had to turn just to get like two
receivers there. I'm in on him.
Like I think he's great. I think the issue for me and I
think some NFL teams based on the athletic articles and all
that is like neighbors is more exciting you watch the film.
He gets outside. He breaks some big plays but for
Marvin Harris and you're just looking at 10 to 15 yards
targets like he's gonna get every one of them.
If not, you know a good amount of them and he's a little bit
slower I think but the way he plays like he sets guys up.
Well, I like everything about him.
I I was kind of thinking in my head.
I think Arizona is a better. learning spot than Los Angeles,
but Los Angeles being an open Target chart like I would like
to get Harrison there too, I guess but I think he got one of
the best landing spots and I wouldn't be shocked neighbors
outperforms them if neighbors goes to Giant so that like that
that's off. Yeah, I've made this case but I
I now want to double down on Trey McBride tight end one.
I think this is good for training bride.
Really. We talked about it on the show a
little while back but the idea of like the rookie even the
rookie hits don't see like their Peak volume in your one Justin
Jefferson jamarr Chase or two examples where they both saw at
least two two Targets per game more their sophomore season than
their rookie year and they both were huge hits his rookies, but
they what they became scaled up in year two thinking year one.
He's gonna be a huge threat that's going to open up the
field for training bride but not be like a massively Target
dominant player. And I don't think anyone else is
really going to factor in it. Like I just think I think
bride's getting eat for a tie that Marvin's a Red Zone threat
though. Like he's gonna take some
targets away there like that was where he excelled like it was
him. He on Coleman to wear about I
think how the Red Zone guys. So I mean, I think he's I think
he's gonna cry. I don't know like I agree with
the McBride take I think there's a chance that he just doesn't
get there from Arizona's offense.
You have Kyler running a lot like and what's the wind with
defense? I think that's sold the risk for
primarily. My pushback on the take would be
that. I think by the time we get to
the end of season here, it's Harrison's team.
And he's just the guy so maybe we're both season.
Oh, yeah like yeah. Yeah.
No, no like 28% Target share, which would be massive and you
could still get almost 25% from McBride and then hopefully the
offense is just better. Yeah.
I think McBride's really really good too.
So if you're right about that, I think is Tyreek Hill and Travis
Kelce and I think the Cardinals are like competing to win the
West like they're not good. but I just like I feel like I'm
Underdog he's a little overdrafted in the half PPR but
like he's catchers are so insane like we have him with a huge
disparity between like Underdog grandfather PC running just
because the volume of caches. Yeah, I think that's probably
part of it for me. I don't think Brian's like that
good. I think he was in a really good
situation last year. I think he's good.
I don't think he's amazing. He was like a fine Prospect
nothing amazing how to really bad rookie year.
Has an awesome second year. So like I think it's like more
situational and I just don't feel strongly about the town.
So my my take is more like when you're deciding between guys
like, you know, Kelsey's going a few picks ahead.
Mark Andrews is going through picks behind.
I like both those guys better than McBride but I get it.
I mean I I do not want to be fading McBride McBride is set up
very very well. Yeah, um. spags What do you have
else on your wish list rest of the night in addition to
Franklin to the bills anything else?
You're going to be rooting for here?
In general wide receivers going hot and heavy is always a thing
for me. I still this is not gonna happen
day one even day two possibly more day three object estimated
Bucky Irving, I think are my favorite college backs to fight
the athletic testing not being there.
So I hope they do well but the wide receivers I just want to
see him go like I Brian Thomas I love the shoulder things.
I worry about him falling down a little bit more but I think this
is a great class and I think people voted for the Big Board
of special if you bought it on rookies.
I'm hoping you're getting rewarded because I think this is
like a legendary class in terms of the Town how they produced in
college and he athletic testing too and I hope they put it all
together. Yeah Pat just sent you a
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Just send the game back coach speaking next new.
They were saying Joe all. Yeah, I was thinking they went
all so everyone had the Titans Go alt at seven Pete this opens
up the some Bowers pads. Now, there might be a trade up
for Bauer. So we have the big discussion.
Our first big giveaway is Bowers we have in the top 10 lower than
10.5. We talked through it a lot Pete
you really liked the boers lower Pat was on the higher.
I was originally on the higher Peak kind of sold me talk me
into it. I this is this is I think good
for that pick to get all going fine.
I think it's good. It's good for two ways because
it's not in there. Right?
Right, but if that were to be there at 10 the Jets were taking
old and not hours and that's one of your Landing spots right
there. So that's good for that reason.
I think it also is good for trades because the Titans my
trade out. It's really tight in the top 10,
but I'm digging into a lot of different stuff the big board
stuff. There's not a lot of guys like
behind. There was the one quote that he
mentioned from Blair's article that said that they would be
shocked at Powers fell past 12. There's not a lot of dudes
outside of like the top 10 consensus.
We know there's like a top eight.
There's a four keys at three receivers in all And this was
only like two more spots and it feels tight to get Bowers in
there. But there's also like a gap
after hours and like one Edge rusher and like a gap of like
four average picks when you look at like the consensus mocks and
the big boards. Where you would need like?
A couple like legit reaches up to like number nine or ten like
lately or whatever. His name is would have been a
little bit of a reach they might happen, but I don't think
there's gonna be so many reaches that Bowers Falls to 15 a mock
to like the Colts. I think that's wish casting like
our buddy Jacob Sanders and he did a mock.
He'll be on later on the show. He's a Colts fan.
He mocked Bauer. So the Colts at 15 like that's
what a Colts fan would do but you're not actually gonna get
Bowers if you think I'm on the higher on Bowers not to be I
don't know today today's it's time today's reports have been
like good and that there's seems like there's more outs now and
either the culture the Rams possibly trading up which would
be and it seems like the Bears and the Jets are both open to
trading down. So that's that's definitely the
real question for Jim Harbaugh because what don't the Chargers
have a pick at the top of the second round if they pass on
wide receiver there? That's that's when you know me
really I have to drive Clinton Johnson again like oh you do it.
Oh, it's John Palmer season, and I hate it.
I'm taking a good a lot of power no lives. 26% volume 26% because
if this happened and it did happen like how was Josh Palmer
not a smash he's a guy in round four.
He's better than Josh Palmer. I know that's true.
But he still gonna play alongside like he got around for
he's gonna play Maybe in round four and he had just like a 100
catchers. I would go nuts if they take
count, but Palmer had Loki his best season by a mile last year
like his first two years sucked and he was actually good last
year. So Well speaking of Brock
Bowers. I am gonna bring on our resident
Jets fan here Ron Stewart, but spags appreciate you as always
swinging by everyone needs to check out the splash play
regular draft streams and everything you're doing at
probably anything else people should look out for you here.
Not just one thing you guys for having me on another year glad
to be a part of this one. I'll see you guys Thanksgiving
but I didn't honestly great draft here go Jayden Daniels and
Caleb Williams and and Drake may just keep missing some targets.
That's what we're gonna hope for Wow shots fired all the way out.
We'll see us backs. Yeah.
All right, Ron Stewart. Just we had to bring this man on
we saw the pain in his face as he watched the Jets on a I
believe it was a Thursday night football game last year and now
we get to see the pain on his face.
They can't mess this one up, right?
They just take back Brock Bowers.
We give away 500 dollars. It's a blast right wrong.
You guys are sick perverts. We're just gonna be like, we're
taking Byron Murphy we're taking the detachable.
We're taking an edge. Like I've I've convinced myself
that everything that's going to go wrong is going to go wrong at
this pic. I watched them take a 24 year
old Edge last year at a freaking Iowa state that I still have
never seen play. I'm just we we are perverse.
This is we're a little older. Where are the age of like I
remember reading Deadspin when it was good, which Ron probably
doesn't know he was like 10 when that was not that existed but
they had a hashtag LOL Jets, right or like that Lowell meds,
but they also had LOL Jets like the Jets would do so much
ridiculous stuff. You have like the Mark Sanchez
butt fumble so much other ridiculous.
You're starting quarterback. It's like nose broken by a team
in preseason to have a young Jets fan.
Come on and just watch your hope get crushed.
It really is sick. It's it we're perverted.
It's I'm sorry, I one of the games I've been to I remember
there were it was during the dark time.
So we're talking Tebow and we're talking Sanchez and the entire
crowd was on their feet to get Greg McElroy in the game.
That's where we work. If you guys remember Greg
McElroy, there were there were audible Greg McElroy chants, and
he actually got his way in and you know now he's calling games
and like college football. He's all so it's brutal, man.
Stretch for the bills where their punter Brian Mormon was
one of the highest selling jerseys.
So yeah, I was gonna wear a gestures but you guys you guys
are all too cool to wear laundry.
So I was like damn I can't do it.
I was about teams outside of the only good for a jersey.
Yeah, we only was like there's a gestures.
Yeah. I'll put my bills Jersey on it
would be cute. Yes, go do it.
Wow there. Yeah.
Oh, yeah, just put the neighbors.
It was neighbors to chat going for Neighbors.
So who's who's tipping? I was the best.
So bad for Neighbors, like I know Danny dimes kind of sucks,
but like I don't get like he's still gonna Crush.
Yeah, I don't know. I think it's like neutral to
positive spot. Yeah neighbors.
Yeah, I do too. I do too Gable can get him the
rock do I suddenly just got stoked about some I took too
much Danny Dives in my early drives, too.
I was doing a lot of three cubes, but I was like, you know
what? This could happen and it like
this is a like good stuff. Yeah, but maybe dude if your
neighbors is good enough to go at this pick six overall.
Like I don't want to be hyperbolic but your QB proof
like you are that good you were a fucking baller the ball comes
to you because you are so good. It does not matter you tilt the
field you change the offense like that's what Malik neighbors
is gonna do. Oh my God, it's the who everyone
was making the LSU? Obj rookie seat like this is the
Eli like obj made Eli like vaguely relevant again late in
his career when he was like really started to stumbled down
the stretch of his career and they just like we're gonna get
neighbors from day one Odell was hurt for the first half of his
records right the Hammy. Yeah, I'm not worried about.
Neighbor, I mean they have so many available targets there.
I mean like that even like cuz guys left but just like there's
no one that's good. You know, right people on the
roster what I mean Waller since seems like a huge favorite to be
retired. Okay.
Yeah, yeah. But now they got neighbors.
Maybe he's like, I don't have to get double covered every single
time. Maybe I'll come back.
Daniel Jones had a productive fantasy season two years ago.
So I don't I don't think David Jones is good.
I think he stinks but he's not terrible like getting the ball
out. Right?
Like he's okay in the shorts intermediate range and neighbors
is incredible after the catch not say he can't win deep he can
but like if you if the goals to get neighbors the ball and space
and then have them run afterwards.
I think Daniel Jones can facilitate that yeah.
I can't believe her. Podcasts never had receivers
like I mean, yeah, he didn't like Michael Williams putting
that they would never get him a number three for so long then
they tried with Quentin Johnson and he just wasn't good.
And now the trade both keen and Michael Williams walk.
It was it was the jamaar Chaser Penny Sewell thing all over
again. He I mean I would have taken
neighbor's but I saw a chart and it's like in the top 10 like the
right on the offensive tackles is so good.
Like yeah, and he was like clearly clearly the top
offensive tackle. He's supposed to be a blue chip
guy. I mean, I don't watch offensive
lineman tape, but he looks good. Does it matter?
Yeah, how much time Justin Herbert has to pass if he has no
one to pass to like are they good?
How are they the 37th? Yeah, I mean 37th pick will
probably buy that could be like 80 Mitchell.
They could I don't know they could build like a Packers wide
receiver room for him. I think that's kind of the comp.
Yeah, I think if you're defending the pick is that you
can get guys like you were later, then you can get the guys
close to all let's see if he does it because I fucking the
chase. Yeah, I'm a skeptical it does
sound good in theory, but I'm skeptical he even does it.
I am scheduled penny. The chase Penny Sewell things
really interesting because the Bengals went to a Super Bowl and
they feel like they obviously got it, right but the Lions but
they just extended school. But while I'm Souls rookie
contract also got within a few plays of going without a helmet
bounce catch for Brandon IU from going to the Super Bowl himself,
like both teams won like it kind of like good.
Yeah. The Titans pick is in.
Okay. I thought maybe they would trade
out now. They they also picked.
Are they going tackle? So wait, who's who do we follow
for the tip picks? Who's the best guy?
The check got bad when I picked earlier.
So you gotta be careful. Oh, okay.
I will I will try not I have I have tweet deck open.
So I see some of the maybe I just reading it.
The what the challenge to see it on the on the show D.
I will shout out the the underdog NFL account.
They're not tipping picks, but they're posting it immediately
when it's official. So that's a good account to
follow but we plays all season on the Ship cast all we did the
chat was always behind us. I don't want to take them to the
chat. I don't want to ruin their I
just want to know you just want to get your just put in the
private chat. Yeah.
Oh, wow. Yeah, Ron, so who you you're
kind of doing the the lowest me self-loathing Jets fan.
We're gonna mess this up but like who if you're the GM, who
do you take their tonight? Well, it depends on who's
available Pete. But yeah, I would say scenario.
I should put a wish list together on my Twitter.
Um, I would say I actually I kind of am in on Bowers like he
just looks like he's like a blue chip guy you can you can talk me
out of the you know, well, you got to pay him the whatever the
10 slot salary is and it's not great for tight end but he's
someone you know, he can help in the past game.
You can help in the running game.
He looks Dynamic. I really like Bowers.
I would take go Dune say if it's an offensive lineman I prefer to
trade back is kind of where I'm at, but I I'm yet to get a Jets
pick right? Like I I think I had him.
I don't even know who I had them taking last year, but I thought
they were gonna take Jameson Williams and then they took
Garrett Wilson and it's just I don't know.
We'll see they've actually been pretty decent.
I kind of keeping things on their app.
So the sauce Gardener pick nobody really saw coming.
Yeah. I guess it like you guys calling
people today. Yeah, he does nothing but
trouble all day he dream and He was just acting like he with the
pick would be or like he's like if he's like if it's these Five
Guys, I'm announcing the pick if it's anybody else that I'm not
announced in the pic. let's get I do like because I guess then
the question Ron from like an offensive weapon standpoint does
the team think they've done enough after bringing in my job
or do they feel like we need that that one more premium
offensive piece with with Wilson and Mike dub.
I think I think weirdly they're gonna convince ourselves that
they've done enough. I think look we you guys were
shaming each other for taking Josh Palmer and best ball.
I have a couple Aaron Rodgers aren't Allen was our Stacks.
Just sue me, man. Thanks for giving back to the
the coast. Yeah, that's just I'm just a
little bit a little bit on top of the rake that's rake premium
for the dog drafters out there, but I don't know.
I think they're going to talk himself into Tyler Conklin and
Lazar and Mike Williams, and that's so sick.
Did you drown your sorrows? By drafting Aaron Rodgers last
year, like if you just joined up.
Yeah, man, dude, we've seen lizard like being okay
basketball pick with Rogers. I don't think he forgot
football. I just think his quarterback
just towards the draft stocks. Come on fellas.
He was Yeah, but that was without Rodgers is going to stay
in for that. He's gonna be like get my guy in
there. I might have taken him.
I consider throwing him on the back of a jetstack.
I really call it Roger just five TVs.
He's catching five touchdown. Yeah.
I'm with Greg.
It that's his he like he has too much pride to like bring him in
and then not use him to some degree.
He blocks to he blocks get right.
It's that's exactly right. It's Pride.
That's exactly what it is. I just realized Roman's ain't
made it through. The Titans here.
I took me a second chance like you look son, but I just I
really didn't want to go to the Giants even though I do think
that's a decent enough Spotify if your neighbor's level talent,
but it's like Pretty nice. Yeah, what do you want?
What do you want? The Bears are they traded out?
I'm comfortable with the Bears taking him because I don't think
he is going to be there forever. Yeah, um, I would think they
would trade out they only have four total packs, but I thought
everyone was gonna trade out there's Falcons fans that want
him and I also think you would be an interesting like I don't
have an issue with him being like the third good player and
with like a decent quarterback like her right like you all so
have London and pets like that's fine.
Like he's good. He'll go be good at that
situation. That'll be great.
I've just done scars from that line of things.
I don't think they take him with the one they went and got Mooney
and they traded they got Ronn Elmore that trace for were they
shipped out Desmond Ritter which is like I mean at least a minor
decent thing, they're gonna do two two Atwell stuff with him.
Like they got the Rams. Yeah, Zach Robinson is going
defense. You could talk me into all day.
Yeah, I threw me about a submit lettuce Stacks too, baby.
Okay. So they get their offensive
tackle. and a lot of late Steam Yeah, didn't think would be
pretty fun here. It would really fuk up some best
bullet piece. Dungeons into the fight yet
North had them take a neighbor. He thinks wide receivers not out
of the question. I think that's not that I know
anything other than reading doctor apps.
I I saw a tip pick for the Falcons that is going to blow up
Twitter. If this is true, no Underhill we
get no. well They picked already.
Oh my God, I telling you. Oh my God.
No. Oh, I'm gonna get trolled so
hard by my buddy. Oh my God.
Take us in huh? No way that's happening.
Everyone's tweeting it. No.
Man, I just wanted the record to show I didn't go to preschool
with Zach Robinson. I just don't want that do what
is happening? This doesn't make any sense at
all. That's any sense.
That doesn't make any sense. It's a bad thing for cubing add
team. It's a insane.
Is there a tree? this is this what this one of
the nuttier things we've seen in a dress.
Why are they doing this? All right.
What are you doing? Holy shit know there's part of
my brain. That's like they must have a
trading place with someone like right like insane.
This can't be real. They just picked cousins so much
guaranteed money. This is like a Jordan loves
situation. This is worse than the Jordan
loves situation do it. This is the this is like the top
defensive player. You could have had or were you
gonna do that? Back up.
Yeah, like you could literally had any other player with the
first round great. What was the cousin's contract
when you guys said this I had didn't pull it up yet.
I thought you were gonna say Bowers and that would also be
less crazy. Oh, that would be the Phoenix is
all right, like it's not like he's young really old.
Yeah. All right.
We did a good job waiting the Falcons.
Are you Michael panicks Junior bow down to Washington.
So where the purple and the goal we will not be giving away a
2500 tonight. It's down to 2K because Junior
was going to fall to the second. Hey. he went a Dude, this I was
like confirmed. Yeah, I don't want to be like
hyperbolic here. But like this is like one of the
nuttiest things I've ever seen. It gets insane.
This isn't really recent memory. It really is because the thing I
mean, I was really confident. He wouldn't go that high as high
as people wanted even though there was a lot of smoke around
it because all the people who charted it like a lot of people
but Harmons guy at reception perception Benjamin solak.
Several dudes that chart all stuff.
They're like I sharted him and it wasn't good.
It was bad. It wasn't like it was like there
was up and down. It was like his act.
This is what I was trying to tell you guys when you asked me
like in January when I thought about was like, He his numbers
are better like the fact that he was runner up in the Heisman is
is a lot better than what he actually was.
It's more of a product of the system and having a lot of good
receivers because he missed some throw some guys made some
catches for him. He's got up and down right?
They're just got to be there's you The Rams are trying to trade
in for Bowers. Yeah, the ramps to the fox say
to try to trade in for what many believed was Brock Powers.
So you're telling me the fat like is who's taking who's
jumping them for panics? They couldn't what where did the
right panics right? Like, I mean, why wouldn't they
just trade the really like did they just not get the deal
worked out in time? And there's trading them to
somebody who wants panic's like Why would they just move back to
19 and take him like I mean, this is one where you do move
back because you have cousins. But like I was saying earlier
you don't. I still don't really.
Somewhere. Yeah, maybe they are.
It's the only thing. And I kind of like that it's
takes this is what this organization is doing.
Yeah, this is bad Roger 100 million guaranteed for Kirk
Cousins or one month ago. And then what 24 year old
quarterback, right? It'd be one thing.
I mean, it's still be egregious if he was like 20, but like it's
extra egregious when he's 24. Levis is a better Prospect or as
good. I agree.
It's great. So like this is like I mean,
like I guess you're pumped because the money and stuff but
like This sucks. I wouldn't want to go there.
I mean, yeah your pump because you went I would.
This funding. Oh, you're right backup
quarterbacks the best job in football.
What? Jordan love Jordan love was 20
something and it was still crazy.
This is eight. There are elite players on the
board every year. Everyone talks about the big
board is 15 players deep. We have 15 first round grades.
This is pick eight. Roma Dunes is on the board.
Brock Bowers is on the board, you know other Elite tackles and
no defensive players have gone yet and you're taking it back up
quarterback like a four-year project what happened if you
graduate if you were to Ballpark the odds, he's on the Falcons
day one. What do you think it is right.
Now I present I think you're right that it could be a trade
but it doesn't make sense. They should have traded out of
the pick right? It's not like 95% plus.
He's on the Falcons day one. Yeah, right, but he never do
this. Then never trade the guys after
they drafted him like doesn't do it and NBA all the time, but
it's a little different but I know but I mean, the only thing
I could think is there was like several teams that want to
panics and a lot of Buzz that people were gonna trade up to
get penicks and they're like the only way anyone's gonna give us
what we want is if we actually selected because they're not
gonna buy the that we would take it.
I know that's weird. He just likely it's just this
pick is so bad that like I'm trying to make sense out of it.
Just gonna text my brother's a big Vikings man.
It's pretty pretty bummed out about me.
I'm just gonna be like, hey, at least you're not the pockets.
I thought was McCarthy when you guys were saying it was like
quarterback. McCarthy would have been
infinitely less bad than this one.
I don't even really like McCarthy, but you could talk me
into like he's much younger. Whatever.
Man, that's right. I forgot.
He went before McCarthy. There's been so yeah here.
Even occurred to me that McCarthy still on the board.
I'm not a huge McCarthy guy, but I would take over panics.
Is it is it McCarthy what Kirk cousin this like if you're
trying to get Kirk Cousins insurance?
Cheese, this is madness this honestly we only think your
calls right like this might be the craziest like there's been
some crazy drafts stuff. But this is like after paying
cousins this offseason a massive free agent contract.
Like the Rogers thing was like he'd already broken his
collarbone twice you draft a successor.
Like he's getting old you've had him forever you drafted
successor. They paid cousins a hundred
million dollar guarantee contract a month ago to turn the
franchise over to him that you're the next quarterback and
then they took a quarterback ate that's fucking crazy.
That we've never seen anything like this in the NFL.
It is nuts. Dude, the JJ being on the board
really like ties a bow on it. Like I've I told God because
can't you trade down trade down? There's we know the crazy thing
is we know a team one of the come up for this pick the Rams
and they're where the Rams they're in the teens, right?
They're like late. That's a no fucking brainer,
dude. Declining that is akin to
because you probably could have still got banks in 19, we won't
be able to confirm that but it's akin to trading up for pets in
the top 10 that's you came up a potentially a future first to
take penix at 8 when you had an opportunity to potentially take
him in 1980. You're gonna sit him right or
you've made a huge mistake. You just the Vikings had created
up for the number 10 overall picks.
So we got to get the Bears pick. Okay.
Oh, so that's good. That's the first take my car
that's traded. Is this gonna be a Doomsday?
Oh, it's Rome. Is it yeah.
Yeah good for him. Let's go.
I really don't think the Bears were gonna do that despite that
being shocked about magic going to a college that doesn't have
two top 10 picks. The only where's your where's
your target share brain on on the Bears right now?
Oh, man. like I guess Rome 17 to 18 DJ 23 Keenan Allen 21.
Per concerns a percentages. I think probably hot on DJ right
because any more big play. he can do everything can't I mean
he's been big play. He's been yeah, I guess I'm
factoring some age stuff with Keenan there like right
probably. Day one I'd flip though.
So. Okay.
Yeah, I think you're right and then by the end of the season
maybe a Flip's. Yeah doing is definitely jsn.
It feels right. I mean he's right down to me
drafted him. I just like a scarf flashback.
I guess that is a negative way. What?
All right, here's the full details of this trade Ron.
I'm kind of I guess another this is actually looking.
Can we get a second? Okay, cool.
Yeah. I mean that's sick.
They got biking it one pick. That's that's probably the you
know, the right 13 first memories Well, they just go and
trade down again. Right?
I mean, it's everyone who's trying to get up for Bowers is
still in that's pretty nice and extra fourth round pick and you
move up from the 6th to the 5th. I mean I don't hate it the
little six to fifth move up. Probably negligible, but
actually got a fourth pretty sharp move went a lot of GMS
would just be like, yeah, we'll just take our guy right he might
as well get something you've got, you know, they're taking JJ
McCarthy. So I just let him let him go
ahead of you. Take a fourth pick. the boers is
looking rough. He yeah Bowers isn't going to
talk down. Yeah, it's done.
Once that trade happened. He's gonna go 11 because of a
trade back of one bit. Oh, it's not 10.
It's not beat the biggest reason you convinced me was you talked
about? How about the lower on 10.5
included the chocolate landing spot of the Jets and they moved
back. One round in the from the 5th to
the fourth kill me. But this yeah, this was my
thought that the Vikings wouldn't have to pay near a
premium. Yeah.
Imagine dude. Imagine what the Falcons could
have got if they told just leaked to that everyone that
you're taking McCarthy. Like first of all, those would
have believed. Yeah, but at least leaked that
it makes someone come up and get you.
You're like, no guys. We're fucking taking a
quarterback. I'm dead.
Seriously the Vikings one and maybe they want to Venice.
So this makes know the Falcon did the Falcons?
Do they miss click this was a Miss?
Click? Where did they where does the so
if I told you a quarterback got picked eighth overall the end
NFL draft. Where does he go in your super
Flex work with you dress? I mean, I would say at least at
least late second round. He's probably one on 9110.
He should be one know. They're oh, I mean he's going
way after that. You're telling me Jonathan
Brooks in a landing spot treat that so people are taking
Michael Pettis over him get the fight know.
You're right close the running back too.
He's going late too. Yeah.
No One's Gonna want to back up quarterback.
You're right. He's going like to that's what
Jordan love went. He went late to.
Dude early. Oh my favorite receivers play
for Chicago. Now.
I'm a Bears fan. I got Rome.
I've always loved Keenan and we got DJ Moore there too, like
gotta change for AJ Brown and then you'll be good.
I mean, that's right. He just got paid 84 million
guaranteed. Jesus is very good for Caleb.
Oh guess who I should chasing rookie draft. was a joke That's
value baby part. 5 QBs in the top 10 we've had we ever seen
that that's gotta be a record right?
Anyone seen that we yet. I think yeah, that's a person.
That's the first no defense as well.
That's all. Wow.
We win guys offense wins pat yourself on the back.
IDP, you know down my absolute favorite falls on Twitter as
Charles McDonald for Hertz. He's a Falcons fan.
He just quote me. It's like walking off the ledge
Charles and he's like why the hell would I do that at a time
like this? Oh good.
The man oh my God, it is insane. Right.
It's worse pick if you Michael Pennington like Robinson.
Come on, I was gonna throw up Brandon Weeden.
It almost feels that bad. It's another one that was
outside the top 20, you know, like that's different and at
least they drafted him to be the quarterback.
Yeah what he was picked 23, he was like they had like three
pack QB picks in a row that were all picked 23 Manziel Whedon,
and whoever else they picked. You better be a hell of a locker
room guy. That the Falcons Miss click.
That's a good tweet, right? I guess like how let's say
Daniel said Fallen here. Or met let's say may have fallen
here. Like if they take how much of it
is that it's Panic, you know what I mean?
Like versus the quarterback. It's so much all of it together.
Yeah, like like it's still be bad.
But like we're like eight levels worse than if they had taken
Daniels like it's like JJ was on the board.
Most a lot of sharp people thought he panics wouldn't go to
around 2. Yeah.
Our guy a reef is on who compiles the like the composite
Big Board ranks said his average rate was 34. half across all the
big forts And the fal kids with Leroy.
This is where I just pray every pick is not a wide receiver.
From my laundry bro perspective I'm fading you guys want all the
wide receivers to go and I'm just like no. people on the
board just because the bills can get one.
Yeah, yeah, just keep our options open.
I mean, I want to see what related bills.
I mean, I'm good with that. I just Iran happy for once in
his Jets. I would love Brock Bowers.
I think that's my I think that that's my my pick here if I
could, you know. I I could see it just being a
wine. It's tough.
I met it was a line. I thought that they would trade
back further, but I guess you do have like the same and they
could trade back again, right? I mean, yeah, I think that would
probably be I would say number one is trading back to get
recoup our second. We lost from Rogers number two
is Bowers. The double trade back would be
pretty sweet and that would be good.
This is kind of he doesn't like to move around the board a bit.
There's definitely a lot of I mean they can for sure get a
pretty good ol' looks like. Oh, yeah.
If it wears any of them. Where do the Rams I'm gonna be.
I want Bowers to go to the Jets for for lots of reasons, but I
am going to be so tilted on that 11 and a half that like would
have hit if they were just like oh, yeah, we could be just do
it. Oh, yeah.
That's very tilting. So that's a shit.
You're still alive for 11 and a half.
No. No, we're dead.
Oh wait ten in a half. Oh, yeah, that's not good
closing line value is what a very generous Andrew back its
proposed to us over at DM that we didn't negotiate with.
Like I will take it believe it or not.
Great, but we need to pick lower.
Yeah. Great, what we wanted to do was
potentially do a doomsday, but we would have missed that to do
it. No, we would not use eight and a
half. I was eight and a half.
Okay? Yeah.
I thought it was not I thought it might be nine and a half.
I think that was that would have been too high for him.
Okay? Because everyone had I mean
hemostatic seven and a half for some because people have been
going six, you know. Because all wasn't supposed to
go till 7:00. right Man, this hasn't been as much of a like.
well, I was gonna say it hasn't been as crazy if it started as I
thought other like that many trades and stuff, but there's
the one the pet expand right like its got like straight talk
and crazy a thing ever. This wild card.
None of the cast people thought what happened happened.
None of this very realized and then just I don't know where the
Falcon to this in the back of the van Gogh.
I cut the pranks. Wow card.
You could literally okay. So let's say all the way to the
34th best remaining pick on the board.
You could have put all of those guys in a hat let the Falcons
pull a name out and it would have been less shocking than the
one they chose. Like they literally the most
possible of like the top 34 players of even think bonus
would have been less shocking because at least it's similar
type of quarterback because right ah All right.
So it does say the Jets are not trading out.
They are going to pick here. Really.
All right. Yeah, it's game time.
Let's go box to Ron here would be great Ian had an incredibly
good looking hard. Is this sweet?
All right, once I got to get a full cam on Ron here for the
other amazing thing is that report the Rams are trying to
trade up to get Bowers. We would have got our Bowers
pick but the Falcons were like no.
Wow Leroy's. Oh man, just take the trade up
like you could just take panics in 19.
Who who got in their ear that there was this market for Penny
even in the top 15 like who? They got had and I love him more
Morris too. But oh.
He's not the GM know but I mean you would assume he's involved
in the quarterback. I just what do you what do you
tell cousins? What's the plan?
You tell cousins to fluff another hundred dollar bill
under his pillow and he'll sleep easy at night.
Okay. Ron do you want the pick tipped?
Yeah. Oh, let him experience.
So let's I think for the show, okay.
I'm watching a ton of JJ McCarthy highlights here.
What it what are the boys want you you what did you call them?
I would say overcoming majority would be some weapon for Roger's
whether that's either tight end. I think Bowers somebody people I
would say that the biggest one was Roman's there.
But yeah. Do you think they would take him
if he was there? I think so for sure if he was
there at 10. I don't think they trade back.
I think they just stick their and pick it.
Yeah. We're all waiting with bated
breath Ron's reaction to this pick.
This will be great. Look at that as long as no one
on defense. I can kind of compromise with
this whole thing. You think Rogers had it had a
had a say in this pic? Honestly, probably not as crazy
as that sounds. Maybe a little bit of input.
Maybe maybe a bit of a whisper. But I don't know Douglas sort of
keeps things buttoned up and does his own thing.
Yeah. All right, Ron, how big of a
Jets fan our name every single Personnel man in this war room
we're looking at right now to prove your real fan.
Oh, I got Coach, man. I mean, I guess it's in there
John the owner. Holbrook DC it's kind of a shame
that the Jets don't have Aaron Glenn on their roster.
I know that he was like a Jets DB back in the day.
When you guys ever gone to these live shows, like it looks kind
of miserable to be standing out there in Detroit.
Like I don't even know how you go to the bat.
I went to to one in Philly. What year was it was the Corey
Davis year 4. I've been to a Bill's draft
party, but it was like inside like their field house.
So they have like I don't know things to do and like a bunch of
food and stuff and was actually kind of cool Were you around?
Olu fashanu, all right, they do go.
Wow. Yeah, he seemed like he was the
best tackle on the board. I just yeah, it seems like you
could have traded down a second time if you're gonna do that.
Man, that was that was like a depressing Jets disappointment
that we just witnessed on the big things.
Yeah. I didn't just overpower is
really sucks. But I don't know.
I guess we're protecting our quarterback of the future and
Aaron Rodgers here. It should have protected but
Bonex, just take a page out of the Falcons Playbook.
Do you think they let Rogers picked the tackle.
Do you think he's sat in on their meetings with the tackles
and pick the one that he liked the best?
I was honestly shocked that if Roger said any input I would
have assumed it would have been Bowers just like somebody to
throw to write. I mean he was excuses.
This is pretty Powers when I just I just wish Bowers wasn't
available. This would be a lot easier to
stomach. Yeah.
Rogers was like dude guys. I sent Randall Cobb over to
Germany. He did this stem cell kind of
treatment like he is coming back in a big way, you know, you
don't need to draft a fast catcher.
We're good. Listen guys more cities.
Lewis is gonna crush it this year.
Tyler Conklin Tyler kind of sucks man.
That's like also the thing another Conklin kind of blood.
My buddy Brown 17 best ball pick looking pretty good for Tyler
right now. Wait your buddy ran into him at
a bar. And what happened?
He looks like a dude. He's got the long hairs all
tatted up. Like he was actually with former
Jet Michael Carter and they were just like hanging out at a bar.
This was this was like maybe this was one Carter was still a
jet like a year and a half ago. I'm assuming the running back
because the cornerback still on the team, right?
Yeah. It was the running back.
Yeah. And they were cool dudes.
I guess I guess they don't really you got to be you got to
be a real Jets fan to spot Tyler Kong.
Like I know that he's easy to spot but I mean Jets fans aren't
gonna spot Tyler Conklin without a helmet on I mean, there's not
a more like boring name than Tyler Conklin like as far as
like being like sucking as a tight end like Tyler Conklin is
the name. You the other day about how how
underrated these sick of a name Brock Bowers is and I completely
agree with that. I mean like I didn't realize it
before but I mean like Bowers like it rhymes with powers got
like the Kenny Powers thing going on like a Bowser, you
know, too like yeah badass Tyler Conklin sounds like like the
dork in your third grade class like that's kind of That's the
kid. That is booked for me.
So but I now I can't not hear. It um, man Well, Ron.
Your fandom once again not rewarded.
With catch some passes man, like he might be a red zone threat.
He's like six six six seven. Who this tackle you guys
drafted? Yeah.
Tackle eligible play The Playbook.
Yeah. Yeah.
I mean at least you guys. like Michael Bennett's Yeah, yeah,
this wasn't panicked or a Defender.
I would do it. I would love Bowers man.
God damn. It would have just been it was
too perfect sigh we gotta get that sigh in the clip for yeah.
Ron Cy right there when you asked him about it was a pretty
good sign. Like this is it's a cool tack.
He looks good. God damn it.
No one wants to take a tackle. That's not fun.
It's literally not fun. It's I mean this guy better be
the British off Ferguson and then I'm there.
Oh Ron, we did we did before we let you go.
I'd never even got your take on Zach Wilson getting traded.
I mean end of an era for you, man.
Dude, he didn't even write a little a little farewell to New
York not he got a little not even a little Notes app of like.
Oh, thanks for my oh, it's just straight up gone his family
immediately posting the Broncos stuff.
I hate that all the jerseys comebacks.
Open it up the New York Post looking for the full page ad
from Zach Wilson with a fucking his yeah, dude.
We just have to watch him for three years think up the joint.
It's just everyone for I don't know man.
I'm I'm joking. It's it makes sense that he
wouldn't but it was funny that like there was no there was no
like, you know thanks Jets Nation.
Like I'm onto the like Sam Donald at least with like a nice
guy about it. Like you got to have a little
fun to it. You say like dear moms of New
York. It's been real.
Yeah, like just give me something.
Give me give me a little nudge on the way out.
That's all I'm looking for. Um, but I don't know like I
would be lying if I said, I like wished him well and like I don't
really care what he does. Dude, like and I can't tell
people on Twitter as well. We're like, oh the Jets filled
and they never had a stable offensive coordinator and
offensive line. It's like dude, like he just
can't play man. Like he popped off in a covid
year on a BYU Mickey Mouse schedule. 2005 pounds soaking
wet. Like he might just suck man.
Yeah, um Nicks know yeah, we got right next to the Bronco all
these. Yeah, that's the Broncos.
Oh my God so much catching 97. Oh every year every year these
two bees. go way later than people think and now this year
it's like no we're just funny because like everyone agreed
there was three really good quarterback prospects, but then
it then it's like, where are you at a McCarthy, but no one really
thought these guys should be in the top 12 panics and nicks.
That's going out for jobs and again.
All right, we are we're gonna bring on our 80P chasing Bros
here, but everyone just in fields got giving away for
nothing and then bonus and Michael Penn Excel.
That's probably fucking stupid someone that's like weeks and
months of all just having like these waking up in cold sweats
me like wait did that that happened with okay.
I said, I wasn't a good drug tonight, but I'm definitely
getting drunk. I'm gonna go I'm gonna go buy
beer and drink it tonight Ron before we let you go.
Watch the people check out cranking out some some YouTube
content. Oh, yeah, you can find that over
on the Ron Stewart YouTube channel up pretty much as soon
as the draft ends on like Sunday.
I'll probably do like a rookie mock draft stream and I'll have
you know updated Landing or rankings with Landing spots
coming out Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, whatever.
So yeah, check out Ron's tackle offensive tackle radio.
I'm taking him like in the fourth round of the rookie
drafts. I do think in the NFL. um All
right. Well Ron, well this one exactly
how I thought it would. All right.
You're having me on. I love anytime that I can come
on here with the ship chasing boys.
It's a great time got Bowers have been cool man.
That's really all I gotta say. What if I'm really fucking cool
man in your aunt would be your uncle if she had balls too, but
Leoni what about you? You got a know I joke about you
going to bed early, but there's no way you're going to bed
before this bill's pick. man I want to I'm on solo dad duty
tomorrow morning and I have to make Mike's lunch and that's
that's that's a battle for me. So but no, there's no way I'm
actually gonna go to sleep. I'll probably go to that and
just watch it on my phone on your phone in bed under the
covers. Yeah nervous to fall asleep.
Yeah. Yeah 100% Uh, all right.
Well, we will catch you later Leoni.
We got Davis we got Sam Sherman the ADP chasing boys.
How are we doing tonight? Minus Drake may not going second
overall. You know, I didn't think with
bonex going at 13 that I would lose bonex plus 185 to go before
Michael Bennett's I'm gonna be 100% honest thought oh Nick that
would be like, um, like, I mean that was the worst pick in the
history of drafting maybe not even NFL drafting just drafting
in general. I mean, I guess I can't say, you
know that much about Major League Baseball or NHL drafts
before know this so I see the chat saying things like C H or
what? No guys.
No. No, this is much worse much
worse. It was a bad because a lot of
picks there's a genre of bad pics that is taking a position
of need when they're like clearly not the best but at
least like a position of need right like the cheese were like
we want this running back pairing with Mahal like this was
not a position of need and that's the best.
Sorry. Imagine if you were the Broncos
and you wait hours to Las Vegas. That's Michael kick to the balls
that one. Yeah, so that's so bad zoom out
on the chart bro. Antonio Pierce just wants to
play exclusively 12 Personnel. It's fun.
It's not like a real was the most fun Lakeland this year and
he doesn't exist exactly was the most fun.
I said most fun. Oh my God, that's all. so by the
way I was thinking this was the spot that because you know, the
cope was well this Falcons things got to be a they gotta be
trading the parents no sense to take this would have been the
team to do it with and with the I don't think the Falcons would
be all that interested in a brock Bowers.
I don't think I'm going to give you think the the Falk the
panics pick could that have anything to do with cousins
Achilles like bad knowledge on something going on there with
their coverage like that? I mean I know but that's only
that like otherwise it makes I was just trying to rationalize
it somehow it makes absolutely no sense, like four million
hundred million guaranteed dollars.
Yeah for 100 million guaranteed. Like what what is the plan
there? It's it's so strange because
panics isn't even seen as like a developmental quarterback.
Like he's like, he's like a high floor guy kind of yeah.
He's kind of high floor guy. He's gonna be like 208 before he
takes on NFL snap. I just it kind of ruined the
night because I don't even really care about the pics now
because I'm just like I'm still trying to unravel.
Well, so imagine you're the Broncos you came into tonight
and you're like we're taking bonix at 12.
We know we're doing it. We're standing Pat.
We're ready to blow maybe 20 picks of eight of value.
We know we could probably trade back but we love this guy.
We're gonna take him No One's Gonna call it a reach because
the fucking Falcons took FedEx at 8.
You're like, wow. They took FedEx ate that we look
like we're the ones that were like smart to stay at 12 and say
we took the sixth quarterback. I mean we were reaching for
anything. We just, you know, followed the
truck. Let's let me ask let me toss one
to cover. 80P forecasting Brock Bowers best Ball Mania ADP in
August of 2024 I'm going to say 110.
No higher, he's Brock Bowers. I think.
He goes 10th round. I think that's how the power
right that sounds about right? Maybe I would I would want
Adams. Jakobi Meyers bad quarterback
Titan committee. Rookie.
Yeah Titan committee that's committee.
It's like a guaranteed. I didn't committee.
I mean Is there any way around that take and I don't like this
player? But is this like really good for
zamir White? Not not when they take Braylon
in the second round pick what everyone's taking a break out.
Everyone good is taking Braylon now.
Yeah, I guess more famous made of a Bible counter by saying
he's brought power. So there's there's like you're
gonna get the seagulls that are like you still should take Brock
and you I'm gonna come around and be making this point too by
the way, but right now I think like 85 or 90.
I don't think it's one ten, but one after all for sure he's
going after yes. He was joking, right?
Probably yeah going you're Goddard is about where it feels
right? Because here's the thing we can
be hyped about Bowers but like Who would project for more
targets like median scenario? Jakobi Meyers or brought Bowers?
It's pretty sure it's jakobi Meyers.
But it's not. What the Brock buyers
discussions not about as median Target projection.
It's about what if he's the greatest tight end of all time
and goes wrong house. Yeah.
I really that's like it's a ceiling.
It's a ceiling conversation. It's not about Yeah medium.
That's hard. Sure.
Sure, but that's one year that I think the one like one thing
about Antonio Pierce like he came in and got his guys the
ball Josh Jacobs Dante and Jacoby Meyers targeted client so
I could see him just being like no.
No, we're serious about this. We're getting Bros the ball.
Yeah. The other thing is too like say
people were so enthused about Bowers to the Jets and that
happened and they like push him up into the 5th round with those
other tight ends. Like I'd rather take Bowers at
one 10 on the Raiders then in the fifth round like on the Jets
like it like I feel like the upside scenarios like you just
have such more room for air out one ten, and then you do at you
know, pick one. I mean the Bangles is where
we're really paying and I would have loved to see him on the
Bengals. I've been a ton of fun.
But you know, I'm good for my you guys forget that there are
sizable chunk of these versions out here who just like love
Gardner Mansion. They're like goody lives in a
van down by the river like the mustache, like people just love
Gardner Minshew for whatever reason.
I don't know why but they do. Because he's he's having fun.
You know, I will. I'm but you went to Washington
and I love garter men. She why don't you love
gardening. Yeah, he does live in the light
because I was because I was Anthony Richardson guy.
Okay, that's you didn't like. put out a hit on Richardson,
like he just yet you had to take side there were only war was
fought. Yeah, people ask you the chat
for our next giveaway sweat here.
It is 500 dollars Underdog credit if Brian Thomas is
selected after pick 19. Hmm, so that's what we're
getting close to we're moving productively towards there's
been enough reaches pennocks and next.
There's a lot of tackles that got to go off the board Daniel
Jeremiah had that tweet the other day that like something
about like the my last 40 minutes of phone calls.
If there's one theme everyone's trading up for a tackle the
tackles were like on most people's big boards like 11, 12,
13 14, like once they start going there might be right
Dallas Turner his opening. Prop on DraftKings was eight
point five. Yeah also defensive players have
to get selected at some point. I think I have to get drafted.
They're not that one still still not but I am I have saints 11 to
1 to take a wide receiver with their first pick.
So I'd be fine with them not trading and taking Brian Thomas
here. I feel really good with our
Brian Thomas peck on sleep. Yeah.
It's rated Davis is already trying to concert trade RVs here
who are trying to win 500 dollars on underdog Yes, it
makes them feel better. Good Sam, yes, we will talk
about the medical stuff with the labor and all that.
Yeah, that's seems to be what's taking his draft stock, right?
Yeah, but it's strange to me because it's like in six
quarterbacks in the first 12 picks.
Yeah quarterback with no need just went eight.
What are we wearing about Brian Thomas's labor them for there's
been seven non quarterbacks taken because there's been six
quarterbacks take like there's so many non-quarterbacks
available to Big Bang actually insane.
Damn it Saints take oh, we're never mind.
We're not doing we're not tipping know we can I'm over it
if you want to go watch. Yes and go watch it.
Whatever the Saints took the tackle fogger.
Okay. This isn't even like like it's
not even like a highlight. You're just information like
That impact me earlier. Fuck it.
We're typically whatever. Yeah I much so our boy Jacob
Sanderson friend of the show basically told Karen and I when
we were doing our first dynasty pod, he's like the Colts are
taking Brian Thomas. So what we're going to find out
if Jacob is is correct because they love athletes.
They're all they always take the like nine plus score guys,
right? Yeah.
And like that's exactly who you pair with.
Yeah. This is the one we're fighting
for the Thomas thing. That's a fair point.
That's a good call. I have a big jacob.
Jacob. Jacob recants.
He says, it's add he said, oh, he says he now thinks it's ad.
But it's still gonna be we also have a higher on ads to make it
any better. Oh, that's I you look I'm not
going to say anything because I want to be a man of the people
but I would not have gone in that direction.
But I'm also a Slappy you weren't buying the the reports.
He's off teams boards and stuff. I know I quite I quite literally
oh never mind. I misconstrued Jacob again.
He now says they're taking the Aledo corner.
I think Jake Mitchell and thinking we're gonna submit it.
Oh no. Okay, I don't even know when
that's the first time I've seen Quinton Mitchell's name.
I like I got a box I scan over as soon as I see a position
that's not offensive. I'm just say All right.
Let's let's bring it back to Fantasy Football which of the
three Broncos running backs is Pierre Thomas, which is the one
who or Darren Sproles if you if you'd prefer whichever whichever
one, you know McLaughlin for sure.
It's like the lightning like lightly used but lightning and
then your Hammer is is I think it's like should be some magic
here, but he's more than a third down back.
You didn't get he only got 53 carries last year and he caught
50 passes. He's also his old as I am but a
little under looks much people want to Williams and has to be
Javonte Williams, but there's no Mark Ingram no marketing.
No. Really?
Yeah. Okay.
Well which Mark Ingram? Mark Ingram early in his career
didn't catch passes and then he became the late late late stage.
Yeah, so he became pure Thomason did but yeah Thomas was there
Ingram was the the power back like like Mike Bell before him
and Kyrie Robinson right later was the power back right like
that. They always had a guy who only
got carries wouldn't catch passes.
And then they had anyone is that guy it is Williams or yeah, it
might be yeah, it could be that I can always I can already feel
Sam workshopping. Why is samaj p Ryan going
undrafted when Jaleel McLaughlin is running back 44 tweet.
I just like I know those wheels are turning know.
I think I think I tried to give you the wire we taking why are
we taking two Titans wide receivers ahead of Courtland
Sutton. This was the Sam Sherman tweet
of all time. I gave it to you next goes
there, you know. Didn't do it.
You'll be right there. Hey, but Gretch the what thing
about your hypothetical of like who's the Pierre Thomas?
We're talking about Sean Payton the Pierre Thomas might be
Pierre Thomas, you know like It's always bring it back as
well. Dude.
I don't need. To do I have allowed to just
bring these guys over? I mean, I would drop Peter
Thomas in 2024. I love that guy. the one here
very good to say the thing about not telling cousins.
You see that one. No, I was gonna say that.
Yeah, what's that? They say Kirk Cousins was not
giving a heads up that the Falcons would be taking panics.
Oh my God. So everyone got blindsided.
This is just this is a this is a fireable offense.
If anyone in that building had any clue what's going on, but
like just obvious they don't write like it's just like Arthur
Blank is just like checked out like what?
Anyways, I mean there's yeah, there's just no at pick, okay?
I don't see any like coherent way to defend like if they if
they were high on quarterbacks in the draft.
Maybe don't pay cousins 100 million guaranteed like I
there's no way to defend this. Unless there's something new
that popped up with cousins. Like it really seems like the
most egregious use of a top 10 pick that I can think of there.
I mean, there's something to the idea right because we've done
this. Before we've been like shocked
right when the Eagles took hurts, like what are they doing
that ended up being a really really good pick.
The Jordan love pick was maybe not that great.
But Jordan love looks good now and they have them they end up
going to cost control good quarterback that it's like
there's like something to the idea of just make sure that
totally something to the idea when it's picked 28 or pick.
Yeah, right. That's that's where like picking
versus pick 28 is different months.
So like I just don't I just don't think the quarterback no
one thought this quarterback was gonna go top 15, right?
There's no explanation David. That's a great point.
I hadn't thought about yet, but the money is so much different
as you get him in 15. Like I just I think I think
they're paying over 65 million dollars to these two players
this year the way it works out. The quote and like your panic
and the Falcons felt they couldn't wait.
Oh, that's not a thing. It was Morris.
It was more. You can't do that like so the
other thing is once you sign cousins you're in a win now,
like that's what you're doing. Yeah.
Now you need that pick like the other issue with the with the
Jordan love picked that proved to be an issue was they went to
the NFC Championship that next year and they just didn't have
enough and everyone was like man.
What if they would use that first round pick on another
impact player to help them win the NFC Championship That season
the Falcons are the favorites to win the NFC South right now.
They're probably going to host a playoff game.
If everyone goes if you want to find if you want to be kind to
the Packers, they probably knew behind the scenes Roger's was
just like difficult and could lead you write my thing is like
the foundation of three months ago.
Yeah, give yourself another impact player for this window.
You just gave up that opportunity the opportunity cost
of what ever other pick that was is massive.
Brock Bowers, like even if you want to pair of Kyle Pitts like
Oh do that I don't I mean anyone any Defenders anyone this is
setting up for you guys to get your hearts ripped out when the
Bangles take Brian Thomas Jr. At 18.
Why they have t Higgins don't be strange.
What jazz is the one year? Yeah.
Yeah who were sweat? Yeah.
Yeah or Rams because the Rams have been what are the Rams
pick? What number are they?
19? Okay.
Yeah so that they're taking they're taking Xavier worthy.
They're taking two two Atwell with an ass.
Yeah isn't isn't too that. Well, just we have Xavier worthy
at home. Like do they correct?
Literally? Yes.
Do they really need to do it twice?
Yeah, I think they should yeah, he's definitely better but I'm
never coming back from this pedex guys.
I'm just gonna wake up three. I'm gonna wake up three years
from now in the middle of the night 2:00 in the morning and a
cold sweat be like, oh my God, Michael Jackson was the 8th
overall pick in the 2024 NFL Draft.
So we had a chance as part of this and and Andrew originally
suggested that we take penis to be a first rounder and we said
no Andrew, he won't steam Behavior, but the the thing is
honestly and I'm sorry Chad. I'm glad you did it because it
would have been bad. It would have been bad if we had
to celebrate this insane movie. I'm gladly because we would have
been like, oh we should have been bombed because it's it's
fucking nuts. I think so.
We were following mocks in the UW atmosphere like a year ago
and a dune say was projected to be a first round pick.
Um in some places and Braylon Trace was a DN who's now like a
fourth round pick you kind of played his way out of it, but
penix was like a second rounder and I remember a conversations
we had maybe he's a day two guy and then we had a really good
year we end up playing in the national championship.
And as that year progressed tenex first round bus started
happening, but it's not like this was there all along he's a
six-year college guy. He was injury prone.
Yeah transferred. He's an ending injuries at
Indiana. Then he transferred to you dub
and then he has two more seasons that you dub and he plays his
way in the sixth season into first round consideration and
then all of the charters and everything this off season were
like hey when you really take, you know, you lift the lid on
this car and you really dig into it.
Like it's bad like it doesn't look that great.
Like that's why we took panics know in the first round were
like, yeah, there's smoke but no one's gonna actually they're
Scouts internally are gonna say we don't want this guy.
We looked at his film. It's not good.
But apparently not the Falcons what kind of lines was were
available on panics going ahead of odunze.
And you couldn't you couldn't have bet that but it would have
been insane. Yeah, you wouldn't you would
like if you like you could have I don't know maybe gotten and I
like Betfair or something at like 4 to 1 I bet or something
now probably six to one. Yeah should be more.
Six to one parents ahead of a Dunes because there was well
one, you're not really getting Fair ads with this bedding stuff
like my big analysis of looking at all.
The betting markets is last week is that you're mostly getting
robbed blind. Like it's the there's a huge
theoretical illustrate. They go second overall at which
case you pull a fast one. I look forward to being
Vindicated on that when when Jayden Daniels gets gets in a
fucking skiing accident four times a game and Drake Maye is
just like talking 60 RDP for his entirely Jeff.
Daniels comedy Bono That's pretty good.
No, I like Jayden Daniels. I just think Drake Mays better.
It's really just so it's really just so simple as I think the
risk with Jayden Daniels are pretty high.
So that what happened was there was this revisionist history
that Jane Daniels is the safe guy in May is the risky guy.
I mean, it's just to me it doesn't ring true at all.
I agree. like we're gonna check doesn't like Jack my apparently
so he's gonna shit on the Falcons for taking this this 24
year old quarterback like he's like eight months younger than
or he's eight months older than Jayden Daniels.
You know. It's not that dissimilar.
Yeah, Daniels has a skill set that I think is a lot easier to
see immediately translating kind of at any.
Oh, he's way better. I mean he's way better.
But this was my Galaxy brain take that.
Everyone can laugh at me is gonna be better and a system
with good like he is going to be more reliant on wide receiver
Talent then Daniel so much of what Daniel's is gonna do is
gonna be playmaking getting outside of the pocket and
running. Like I actually think he
wouldn't be horrible with the Patriots.
He could kind of get that Patriots to a respectable level
on offense. Whereas I think May is May I
think the first like eight weeks it's gonna be a rough watch
because they just don't have wide receivers who can get down
the field. I think it'll be fun.
But I think he's gonna throw a pick he's gonna take sacks.
He's gonna do shit. That's frustrating, but I
actually think we'll see who they drafted.
I mean they have to give they have to draft.
Probably a couple guys, they need to trade for IU because
they need a trade pick 30 five whatever it is plus the future
third or whatever it takes right you yeah, I mean super close I
get rich, it's Patriots. They have so much cap space too.
Like they got to spend their cap.
Somehow they came into free agency being like we're gonna
burn some cash and they basically saw nobody so but if
you trade for our you sign him doing a big extension then there
you go. That makes sense.
Yeah. I don't know how much of this I
you trade Buzz to believe though to me.
It's still seems crazy. The 49ers would do it when they
don't really have to it's kind of like a future move looking at
their 2025 cap. But I don't know it's the buzz
is out there. So we'll see.
Hmm. Yeah.
I just as someone with big May bags in like many different
formats. I'm just really like that just
sucked right? I'm yeah like he's pretty fast.
Yeah, it's just no way to show you.
There's the thing you'll get a chance to double down.
If you like me at 580 you're gonna like him at one seven know
now, I I sadly I'm gonna become a JJ McCarthy Slappy, it's good.
It's gonna be it's still I'm still taking man that skill set
baby. He's got the he's got what we
want for fancy if you if you like quarterback 11 Brock Purdy,
you're gonna love Quarterback 13 JJ McCarthy.
There's a fantasy question. I don't know if you guys hit on
this I missed when penis was picked just penick's being
drafted. Does that greatly diminished
Kirk Cousins? I was gonna ask this. or maybe
not as ADP, but does that make you less excited to draft him
because of some kind of like late season benching risk it
definitely like I don't know how much it flows in ADP, but it
there's a little bit of stink there, right?
It's in the back of my mind. It should have an impact and I
don't think it will but I think it should.
I think it will to Davis's Point have just some kind of still
have this positive connotation like doesn't give you these warm
fuzzy feelings and they were he was already getting discounted.
I think in drafts like he was going what round and a half
after Golf and you know, he set up similarly similarly is him.
Because of the injury stuff and now you layer this on I mean no
one is gonna be excited about that clay.
Maybe his maybe cousins Achilles is worse than we know maybe
maybe it's maybe the rehab is not going.
Well. I don't know.
And the fact that they didn't alert him is so so weird.
So weird like there's just I don't know.
Like I can't explain it. The whole situation doesn't make
sense to me, but I feel like he's got to be ding slightly by
this. I think it has to be like so
annoying there. If cousins wasn't playing well,
I was dealing with a minor injury or the Falcons didn't
make the playoffs it didn't matter before but now it does
matter like the Falcons are eliminated from playoff
contention in week 16. Yeah.
We're probably seeing Michael penix.
That's a big fucking problem. The only good thing is the
Falcons are playing against the Panthers Saints and Bucs and
they're just so that's right. You can feel a little bit better
about them making the playoffs but I still see Hawks take
defensive tackle Byron Murphy who was most common mock spot
was at 9 to the band The Bears. Yeah.
Rotopat just tweeted Falcons take a single skill player in
the top eight that will be used properly Auto retweet their man.
That is yeah. I mean look the the UFL offense
that could be built out of guys that were used incorrectly by
the by the by the Atlanta Falcons.
I mean unbelievable. So the wide receiver run the
wide receiver Avalanche that was predicted.
I mean we did just get through the part where it could have
gotten real hairy. Like if the Colts had taken
Brian Thomas Jr. If the Raiders to take one, I
mean, I guess the Bengals pick might be the one that would set
it all Jax. That's the scary one for me.
Yeah, I all these teams coming up have been rumored to take
wide receiver. Besides the Seahawks right?
Like I've seen rumors of Steelers Rams Dolphins even
eagles. I saw that speculated the
general thing. We're doing all my friends.
Yeah Steelers really need a wide receiver bad, but we don't
Steelers have tipped their pick that they're taking like some
Center and every year they just completely give away they're
gonna take so I think really yeah, I guess they do love just
mining the later rounds for wide receivers that has been there
there. Yeah, at least eight two.
Yeah, dude. This is a crazy thing.
I'm just like staring at the drop board trying to make sense
of it. The first 12 picks all came from
three positions. We got the six Cube's but we got
three receivers and three tackles.
That was it. That was another and the first
12 picks. We got three like that's why it
is you. The kind of ever happened before
I mean the back never happened before the mack Jones year was
five quarterbacks in the top 50, I guess.
Yeah, and I can't think of top three post Fields, but you don't
usually see the like the third tackle go before the first.
Defending defensive hand. Yeah, and yeah.
Yeah, it's crazy. You guys want some cheaper Drake
Maye. How about this quote from head
coach Jared Mayo. I don't think many rookies are
ready to just jump in and play look at the end of the day.
Our philosophy is the best players will play Jacoby
Brissette. He's a thing you take you take
met in the 14th and you handcuff him with percent on the 18th,
you know Drake may get ready to learn one 10 and rookie drafts
buddy. Someone who used percent as a
coachable last year against Sam Hell truth is a little like
Karma. Yeah it hurt.
It's the next UNC quarterback versus Jacoby percent.
I mean I just know there's gonna be a Thursday night game.
It's rainy. It's wet bills at Patriots week
seven and like Drake Maye is gonna go like seven for 23 and
I've just gonna be hating and Jane Daniels be running for 80
yards a game and I'm just gonna be sick to my stomach.
What about all those ski accidents?
You understand what I'm saying? I'm not saying he's gonna get
in. It.
Looks like a ski accidentally running into a tree I know.
All I could picture is him on skis running into a tree.
It's all like a picture. You don't have the picture that
just go watch like six minutes of his highlights and you're
gonna see an Alabama corner like pick him up and throw him out of
bounds the Bears that he jumps into contact and then you got to
train Vikings back on the clock. No way.
Yes traded in this is this Brian Thomas.
This should be for a tackle, right?
Oh, yeah. You're right.
Why are they doing that? Who's the best they were 23 and
then this could be for Tyler Guyton.
It's not for Brian Thomas. It's for defender or tackle.
Maybe they needed to tackle. I have no idea what they need.
I just I don't know any of the tackles they have like everyone
was saying that people were trying to trade up for tackle.
Oh my God, this is for Cooper DeJean.
This is for this is for Iowa. It's got to be right.
Oh, that is a fact. He could be McKinney.
He's the only defensive players highlights.
I've seen and they're from a different sport.
So I hope it is he claimed he could be Caitlyn Clark in
basketball and I was like that could never happen and then I
saw his highlights and I was like, they need to throws down
these really Per the chat the Vikings have the best tackle
duel in the NFL already. So maybe not.
I have no idea if that's true. I don't really know weren't you
the ETR offensive line specialist know he's yeah, come
on. Oh my God.
Please be a fun pick. He didn't even think about
inviting you. Would you would you have come to
the show if we invited you? Or was this always gonna be your
grand return from school cast on yesterday?
Oh, probably not. Are you guys Dallas Turner to
the Vikings? Whoever that is?
All right, who cares that was supposed to go?
Like pick eight? Right?
Like right. Yeah, he was big bored like
consensus was like the highest defender in this he was he was
mocked to the Falcons pick. So they ruined the whole draft
the Vikings. It's so badly anything other
than a 24 year old quarterback when no need.
Goin' it do laundry. Literally anything but that
Peter are you not entertained and don't know I'm angry.
I mean cuz it's all I can think about I just don't care about
Dallas Turner. All I can think about is you
think I just floated it first. If you're in the Falcons War
Room whose idea was reading more it was really Morris.
How do you need every team to take the best player on the
floor know we all want chaos. This is awesome.
I want I want logical chaos that I can look at it.
I can I agree with Davis. I was so much fodder.
The first eight picks were all chocolate.
This is too much chaos. This is too much.
This is what I can't handle it my mind the kind of chaos.
I want is like Troy Franklin going at pick 13 to the Raiders
for no reason. That's more my brand.
This is like when you have an active active Dynasty trade,
that's great. But if you got some fucking
knucklehead just making terrible you're trying you're trying to
trade back to the 109 but someone just for no reason just
takes like I don't know Blake or I mean you're like, well, I
don't what no. No, it's perfect.
No one was in on Michael Pence even in a quote unquote good
spot the Falcons were gonna take A skill position player that
they took you know in you know him instead of like that's the
perfect spot for chaos. He didn't ruin anything for any
other spots. He ruined Brock Bowers.
It wouldn't have gone to the room with my mental health.
Yeah. I just trying to have a good
night. And now I'm like, how did
Michael Pence go eight to a team that already has a cornerback
could just work at a drop powers.
We already learned that. But it was one extra pick.
I mean parents wouldn't have gone until like 20 most probably
would not have been a first round pick if the Falcon don't
just lose their mind right there.
The Raiders I feel like the Raiders were taking well, but
that's my point in Bowers doesn't go there hours to the
back. Oh, that's right in the boers
pick. There we go, who just went who
went to the Bengals? No, no one I haven't so it's
gonna say we're talking the Vikings traded up the Jegs
traded back. So that was good for a Brian
Thomas vet. Yeah right now Vikings replaced
Danielle Hunter who wants to Houston with that edge pick
which like good move by them. I thought they were gonna suck
this year kind of a smart little rebuild buy them.
Um and then Pat the the clip that you put in the private chat
that hey, we didn't know of what Jayden Daniels did in week one
in the first quarter on First and Daniels.
This is why this is an insane clip.
This is insane and it's only 22, which is silent.
So this is we actually it's a perfect clip to share on.
This is first in 10 in the first quarter on week one.
He's got a clean pocket. It's my favorite part.
He's so clean and you know, right that's the tree.
That's that's shades of Justin Fields right there.
That's I mean the NFL how bad they screw up.
Are you finally back on the other side of this Bo Nick's
Michael panicks top 12 picks. You can't send a fifth round
pickles Bengals. Yeah.
I mean American was better than Justin Fields last year.
So I understand tackle for the bagels.
Yeah. They took the the giant guy the
guy was like six seven or whatever.
Like any relation to Marvin? Denzel actually, this is
brother. I mean that's such a like it's
you know, the Denny made that video of like what what happens
when your team takes alignment. I mean no one knows what to say.
No, you're just less time after they take their guy.
You didn't know what to say. Well, I mean if you're a Jets
fan, you just have to be speechless in general.
Yeah, that's true. What do you what do you even say
as a Jets fan? You're just like I my it was
just a serious storyline for a week that my quarterback might
be a vice presidential candidate and no one was like, oh that's
impossible. Rogers didn't even say it was
impossible like You know what? I was gonna just think some
crazy. Oh man, we got a comment in the
chat. It's a Falcons logo and it just
well with you. Are you guys ready for Xavier
worthy here ahead of Brian with us.
I mean, that would be so good for us.
I mean we need to dodge one more pick here who's on the clock
now. Giant or Rams write 19.
Okay. Yeah.
There was so much smoke about the Rams trading up for an
offensive player today. Yeah, that'll I mean we we saw a
lot of smoke about trade-ups and it was all lies.
Yeah, he's all lies. Yeah, McCarthy one was actually
real crack rock did get that right?
They traded up for JJ McCarthy. That was one pick.
Yeah, but he was correct. Yes are the Are the the JJ
McCarthy truth? There's where they at after
their guy just went quarterback five, or are they are they
pounding their? Oh, they I guess they can pound
their chest because you Know someone traded up for him to
take him at 11. Yeah or 10.
Whatever was yeah, I think 10 10.
Crack rock by the way was gonna be our surprise guest and come
on in the early going but he flakes like he always does he
was just like he found something else better to do, right?
He's gonna himself on and then messaged us after we said yeah
here look come on and wrote. No worries.
I'm good. How fun.
I'll be out having some dinner and drinks.
Literally said any chance I could come on about the daytime.
We'd love to have you on the big time does he said yeah.
He said it's up to dunk on us. Literally after Abby.
Can I come on? I was like, yeah, here's the
lady goes. I'm good going out for dinner.
That's such a good move. That's a power that.
I just want to know that I could bully my way out of the show
only to reject your offer. Just immediately you're like oh.
So the the 80 Mitchell to Chief stuff is very live.
We got 11 picks to get there or 13 picks to get there.
Can we just get the chat? Do you want that giveaway here?
Oh urinating Mitchell Slappy. Yeah.
Mmm, I watched I know ball I do. Okay.
I'll confirm it on the Stream. Would this be the first the
first hit on these 500 dollars give us Yeah, don't love it in
not going top 32 goes eighth overall.
We still got three of five. All right, that's what we're
gonna do it. We what we really need is the
crazy Off the Wall running back pit that.
Oh Dawson picked up 24, so that's What at Davis like true
odds, Jerry Jones says fuck it Jonathan Brooks.
I need of that 24. Like what is the thing?
I would have said pretty good. But Zeke is a free agent.
You know, Jerry is using the penis pic as reason to take
Brooks. He's like, hey, look everyone's
unpredictable. We gotta just go get our guy
live a little he's saying live a little yeah.
For room. Oh, man.
I wish I had a live cam on kitchen whenever he finds out.
The Michael pennis was the 8th overall pick like I'm assuming
sometime next week. He's gonna look at draft
coverage be like wait the Falcons did what and I want to
live reaction to that moment. How far is the broadcast behind
people who are watching the broadcast?
What picker they on is it like they still not know.
The boat. Next is a bronco on me sheffer's
carrier pigeon has equated. Them all before the broadcast of
people want to be so it was rushing.
Yeah. Nothing on this Bangles pick it
should be it should be about their. they took Mims oh, yeah,
so it's yes, so we're waiting. We this is a this is the pick we
have to fade for the BT giveaway.
Oh, it's artists NFL per the chat NFL network has not
announcements yet. So Xavier worthy where okay ride
this exercise with me Xavier worthy as a ram.
What is that do to the the corresponding Rams adp's Okay,
how about just pass catcher in general?
I think most of the damage goes to cup.
Puka probably remains I think poop would fall behind.
Maybe I was gonna say London actually, but who the fuck knows
how people handled that now the Falcons now like there's no
rational reason why like now that you're right, they're all
gonna drop. Yeah, just like I don't like it.
I don't know why but hands off. Yeah, that's good.
I don't think puka moves much to be honest though.
I do think cup. I think people would start and
five people I meet but I mean me we'll start at the narrative
that Cooper cop is not long for this.
NFL game I'm not that old though.
Yeah, I know but they each Cliff hits.
Yeah, she told me he was siege told me he was pondering
retirement after Consulting with rockabilly about his Turf damage
specific nerve damage. I remember that season.
Oh I want this picture. And this is like the worst form
of argument, but if you take away like one or you only have
to take argument, but I'm gonna make it.
Last year and it is ugly. Yeah.
You take away one or two of Cups good games last year.
Oh my beer if you take away. No, you are really bad.
Oh way back East Stafford. I mean Supergirl that is that is
good. That is such good content.
Look at this argument is that he?
Had a really serious hamstring injury that he was playing
through and now he has a whole off Seasons potentially write
have a healthy year. Remember, I mean I think having
a really 31 years old. It's not that old.
This is for you Dino Bros. Where is this one?
Puka to neighbors versus Doomsday in Dynasty.
My snap take his neighbors. Puka Dooms Day.
Does anyone have a different order?
That's right. I take both the rookies over
him. Oh, wow.
Okay, I take puka first. over neighbor's yeah of all time.
Yeah. Take away.
You can't take away you hanging out with you too much.
She really wants to copy your obj tank.
The new neighbors he could be the next cadarius Tony or Odell
Beckham. People are people are saying
that I'm down. I'm I actually think the
neighbor's landing spot. I think the the math Bros might
get a little bit Lost In The Weeds there when they give him a
30% Target share not realizing how fast that can go downhill
and that offense and how fast did I mean, we watched it go
downhill very fast last year. Daniel Jones is good season.
The one that got him his contract extension.
He threw 17 touchdowns. All right, guys, we got our our
next Duo here Jacob and Eric Davis don't make me do a hostile
takeover to wrestle you off. The screen chasing will be
coming back to a regular schedule.
I know you guys are figuring out the exact timing there, but Sam
any other info on that or stuff you got going over at ETR.
Yeah, I think 80 Peach chasing will be back on Mondays.
I think starting this Monday as long as everyone's available.
It should be every Monday 3:30 Eastern from now until sometimes
yeah. Yeah until then of time.
But yeah now that savior worthy not save your Worthy is the pick
another defensive player. No one cares about.
All right, we got passed 19, right?
Yeah. Okay Davis.
Thanks for coming on. All right.
We got Jacob. We got Eric and assuming that
it's a black T-shirt black Blackboard.
He didn't he didn't Courtney this you been watching the
stream. Why did you dress like?
Okay. Well, okay.
I didn't know I didn't know Eric was gonna be dressed the exact
same that's going to get his black his black hats.
No. If the club roast someone cooler
and not injured then I would add my jersey on but I gave that a
C+. So we're rocking with the black
shirt. How how Petty is it if I scroll
back to find the people who said our Brian Thomas going after
this pick was just such a fish idiotic.
Should I pull up a couple? Yeah, go find all those because
we've not had a lot. Yeah, I get this this giveaway
going here in a second. Thank you.
We got Jacob Sanderson here and Eric behind four we have
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But Jacob, how you doing you happy with your Colts pick here.
I mean, not really but I don't think anyone really cares about
my layout to analysis. He traded back like it feels bad
to take the first offensive player.
When I feel like six of them are in the same tier, but I mean is
metrics are pretty out of this world if the neck injury stuff
holds up. I think my bummer is like the
two superstars of the postman and Colts.
Both basically had their careers ended by injury and Andrew Luck
and Darius Leonard. So I just I'm not super pumped
about taking the medically retired player, but, you know,
see how Is that the deal with them is he been banged up?
Yeah, well, he was a UW guy and then he had to medically retire
and then had Austin stats at UCLA last two years.
So I didn't even Medicals came in good but you know, we'll see
I assume they came in good for Chris Ballard.
Yeah, Eric. What's what's been your favorite
moment of the draft so far tonight?
That's a great question. I think I knew my brain was
broken when? The Patriots took Drake Maye and
all I could think about was arguing with Pat about how
Jacoby Brissett was going to now we start over him and we can run
it back from last summer but in but in the inverse because I
know like 17% gets the whole season.
Yeah, yeah, you get to make the the same argument in the inverse
and I get to be the Jacobian preset stand this summer.
So I'm looking for I'm looking forward to that.
And of course Michael penix was was fun.
Mostly because I was ridiculous. I mean that is Peak NFL draft.
I think like I love to talk about and think about like just
how much we don't know and I I can't think of a pick that a bit
of my eyes is that anymore than like we have no idea what like
we can talk about all this and and project all we want and then
the Falcons like that you imagine doing like five or ten
mock drafts the month leading up to this guy pick.
You want to hear my my like 113th?
I Theory the Falcons are under this tampering investigation.
What if they void Kirk Cousins contract and he's not He said it
might be resolved before the NFL draft.
What if they already tipped off the Falcons and they know they
don't have your cousins this year Kirk Cousins is going back
into the free agency pool. They're not losing a draft pick
they're losing cousins. And so they had to figure out on
a 24-hour limit. How do we Band-Aid this and all
the sudden Terry is going in there and he's like, all right.
I got one day to watch tape and he decides should I watch the
Michigan game or should I watch that game?
And he only watches the Michael penick's Texas tape and he sees
it and he sees him slinging it around all of Ben's guys.
He sees drunk Gretch partying the stands and he's like number
eight. I don't have a choice.
I was that both those games. I would recommend that he
watches both of those games that was shocking with plausible.
I think but it's less than saying than just sitting there
taking penix, but you don't need a quarterback take him over JJ
McCarthy who I mean we don't know anything, but most people
think is better. Or just trading back like 20
freaking fix. I don't know.
It's crazy. Um amazing.
Yeah, Jacob. Do you want to talk yourself
again? And explain how time zones work?
They want to know how son could magically be at your room?
Despite it being dark here on the East Coast.
Yeah, as people in the Thanksgiving stream might
recall. I live at a precise GPS location
in Vancouver, British Columbia. Google Maps because I could show
I remember this chapter through my window.
Have you beefed up your security at your building since that
stream Jacob? Uh, you know, I have to take
proper precautions for sure. I have to rotate what dog logo I
have on my Underdog, you know, every four to six weeks make
sure to change the password protection my fan ball count
know it's I highly confident more I could zoom in on his
house within like three now have people doxxing.
What parking Shot Ya family park.
That's right. That would be my I'm nearby I'm
a northwesterner, but I've been up to Vancouver before so I
think he Jacob is achieved this rare version of micro celebrity
at that like this same sub Niche not only know about him.
But exactly where he you know, you know, they have the thing
about like thousand fans or like 100 True fans.
Whatever it is. I have five true stockers.
If you can just get 50 people who know where you live you can
make it in any creative industry.
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We are here Thursdays. In the evenings on ship chasing
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It looks like new collector in new collector here.
Took it down. Congratulations.
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pick 27. That's the next sweat but in you
collector takes this one down. Congratulations.
How do you guys feel Eric? Eric how do you feel about 80
Mitchell 27 and a half? Which side would you be on here?
Uh, definitely on the side that you guys are on 80 Mitchell is
one of the guys I took a big stand against in this pre-draft
cycle and just generally speaking I've adopted what I
kind of like to call the money ball of prospect evaluation,
which is not like anything super profound, but I've been wrong
about prospects endlessly as I think a lot of a lot of people
have so I kind of went back and did a little bit of a
retrospective this spring and a lot of the guys I was wrong
about was the guys I tried like, I love football.
I love I watch all these guys I watch college football and all
that and when I tried to find the guys like a d Mitchell like
key on Coleman who don't really produce at a high level in
college specifically like not like box scores 80 Mitchell had
some big games, but like from a yards per hour run perspective a
targets per hour run perspective.
All that kind of stuff the guys who really don't pop there and
then missed who I was high on. We're all that was it was always
the whiff it was never the guy who produced who, you know, even
like the pukas. It was like it was a small
Sample When puka produced but he was crazy efficient and like
super productive when he was on the field 80 Mitchell is one of
those guys who I like to say doesn't get on base from the
Moneyball perspective. And so could he be good sure.
There's always guys who are outliers, but he fits the exact
mold of the guy who I'm pretty much out on so there's probably
an NFL team that disagrees with me, but he's the guy who I'm I'm
lower on the market. The farther I mean just for this
specific giveaway. I mean the farther Brian Thomas
Falls like I would be shocked if 80 Mitchell went ahead of Brian
Thomas. So that continues to give us
more more room for are there too Brian Thomas is an I'm curious
what you guys think about Brian Thomas because He fits he's a
much better version of of 80 Mitchell but was more of a
hyper-efficient down the field, you know an awesome awesome
athlete but didn't exactly earn a bunch of volume in in college
and it was more a lot of Splash plays, but just like good but
all so can be slightly here. To your on-base percentage point
he was Adam Dunn he was or not. I'm done.
Just Joey Gallo. He's Joey gallo.
Joey Gallo, like low on base percentage, but home runs, right
the home runs do come. Mm-hmm.
I mean which is like so so he would be a guy who would not
like, yeah, I would not like outright fade Brian Thomas
because his yards for OutRunner great.
He produces a bunch of Slash plays that is Meaningful, but it
feels more meaningful to an NFL team than it does to me drafting
fantasy football teams given price and all of those things if
he was cheap and you know that this is the stupid argument
we've made for MBS for like five years and he goes but he goes in
the double-digit rounds where it's not as impactful.
I don't want to chase those guys up the board when I have he
could be great. I mean I watched him too.
He looks awesome, but I don't want to chase those guys up the
board when I'm like, I mean, he doesn't really earn targets.
He makes a lot of great plays and I understand the neighbor's
thing. I understand the Jane Daniel
scrambling thing. I understand all the new ones
but at the end of the day I want I prefer to chase the guys who,
you know just do everything and are superstars at the college
level. I don't Want you to be a
non-superstar in college, and then hope you become a superstar
in the NFL if I'm trying to be right more often than wrong.
Yeah, I think that makes sense. I mean Thomas is it kind of a
tricky Prospect and now with this super tricky hold the
labrum thing like in this and this fall like it definitely
he's very gonna be very boom bust but I mean he did have I
know wasn't like a superstar superstar but is a true junior
he had 1177 yards 17 touchdowns 33% Dominator rating like that.
That's pretty good season, and he was playing really push back
is it's all good. No, I was gonna say what you're
gonna say in France. I sold probably half it from
you. So feel free to go you it's
like, you know, it's the issue was like I I was more in on
Thomas when like just watching as you kind of came across this
year and he had a really strong recruiting profile at high
school like Adam stashed the place and I had just kind of
assumed In My Memory that he barely played Year too.
And I was why I didn't produce and then going through and
finding out that wasn't really the case that he actually ran
over to 250 routes in a year too that he was super inefficient
1.36 yards per outrun in year two versus 2.61 in year three,
which is you know, effectively double and like Ben is pointed
out like it's it's all coming really from post Target
efficiency not really coming from earning volume more per
route. So I guess I would add a little
bit more confidence in like this is a guy who just fundamentally
adds efficiency after the catch or after the target if he was a
guy who would be able to do that in your two or if he was a guy
who just didn't have a chance to play and then he burst onto the
scene. He's super efficient.
You can see him grow but it seems a little bit more like,
you know, he was the Miami Heat where it's like they're not
shooting any threes in game one game two, they shoot 54% of the
threes now, we're drafting them off the 54% breakout and like it
makes me a little bit uncomfortable Caleb Martin.
He's fucking Caleb Martin. We've got a baseball cup from
from before. We got a basketball one from
Santa's eating one from David. It yeah, I mean.
I'm ready for the roller derby cup next.
It is tough because you know that that final season was.
Pretty impressive and it's a true senior season.
I get what you're saying 13.98 dots so he's he's winning
downfield. Although there are some concerns
about his separation downfield as well.
So I don't know he definitely its kind of DK met Kathy that's
sort of what you're you're basically betting that he's DK
Metcalf I think and they're not too forty of solid muscle and
you know, DJ Metcalf is a mutant of all mutants, right when you
gotta have like a high pass attempts and like in a high
fishing offense, I think because he needs a quarterback is not a
loser that I for sure. Yes any any needs and like he's
probably not earning more than like 18 to 22% of Targets in
most serious. He needs there to be 36 attempts
for 40 attempt. Right?
Like if he's in a 30 attempts then it's it's and it's just not
happening. Right?
What I would I guess I would push back a little bit on the
idea of we know who he is as a Target owner because he was
playing alongside Malik Neighbors.
You know that's fucking hard. It's it is but it's very
efficient on this route as well kind of he was but he was still
at like 20% when I look at the Target Spot Run stuff in college
when guys are when there's two good Target earners a lot of
times the second guys like 25% or about Jacob cowing today who
I love out of Arizona. He's playing with the guy tet,
Troya McMillan who still in college, but he's gonna be one
of the top for receiving prospects going forward like
next year. He's a star last year.
He's incredible. Counting was still like 25%
targets proud. Run Thomas was down like 20% and
that's the only slot though. Can we?
Yeah underneath I think like but like when you other teams where
there's two good players, it's like they're both at 25 plus
like they're not once not at 20% I know but Thomas is there with
a 1480. Okay.
Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, it's but how do you how do
you become an NFL superstar? If if in college, can he change
in the NFL sure. It's technically possible.
It's hard for a football player to completely change who they
are as well. That's why you You're getting
he's getting he's mostly doing that but he's getting a little
more the he had the heisman-winning most mobile
quarterback in college football last year, which helps you when
you're a downfield guy at earning targets.
But Jane Danielson throw on the Run he scrambled when he got
out. He scrambled.
He didn't actually throw on the wrong.
I don't know that well and that's and that's one thing that
hurts him too is like I think Eric alluded to this a bit but
like, you know, we talked about like DJ Moore or Darnell
Mitchell and these guys in the Bears office offense.
Like those are all guys were like the target share is going
to look better than the targets run and I think neighbors and
Thomas suffer a little bit for that too with Daniel's because
his sack rating scrambled is so high which tells you how good
neighbors is Neighbors is fucking awesome, which is one.
I'm holding some optimism partly just because I think neighbors
is so good that like, okay like the year prior the stuff Jacob
was saying about like, I love the heat example where it's like
the year prior. He wasn't earning targets.
Andy wasn't efficient. He was just bad and like maybe
was good that year too and then and then your prior to that and
you was better than him each year and he never came along
like I know Sean Butte was there but like that guy wasn't good.
He was a forum back and wasn't good in the NFL and I really
like neighbors but he had 27% he already share in 2022 13%
touchdown share 20% Dominator rating like it neighbors profile
is also largely driven by last year.
That's like when he became Nate, But I mean neighbors is like how
far is it neighbors yards per outrun in year two and targets
program and you're getting higher than Thomas and year
three. Yeah.
Yes. Yeah, then his year three his
targets problem is 24% in year two and that's a number that
Brian Thomas was was 19.3 in year three as a peak.
You never even hit 20% I mean, it's a big gap.
It's a 5% points is yours per hour run in 2023 with slightly
higher than neighbors as yards per hour in 2022 aimers a 2.46
right neighbor's can do a lot of things but he is getting more
work out of the slot and he's getting more than underneath
stuff. So the target run Thomas is
always gonna lose that argument. But to me the question is can he
be primarily downfield guy? And then can he be the number
one wide receiver in an offense? It does take a little bit of
projection because he wasn't that college but I think
possible he can get there and I it's awesome.
Yeah, like I know I'm talking about both sides of my mouth and
I do kind of come in on the fence with Thomas like the one
thing just I think Thomas everyone like we agree on like
Like the like the one thing I'll say in Thomas is too like I
watched that offense every week because Jayden Daniels is my
college fantasy quarterback, and that was the greatest experience
of my fantasy football life and just getting 65 every week.
But like you're watching and so often like when I felt like they
needed to play it was just like let's find a way to like steam
neighbors open and then see how many tackles you can break which
was usually like 100 and it's a little bit harder when you're
you know, the guy was running a decoy on those whereas like
Thomas was a bit more of a segmented role, but you know,
it's hard but one thing with DK you mentioned DK Metcalf You
know, he's interesting in that he started out as like a really
high efficiency player on a good but not great volume and as his
volume has gone up his efficiency is generally kind of
gone down which I think speaks to something of like, you know,
if you're if you're used on the things that you're best at
you're going to be most efficient on them.
Like there is some level of diminishing returns.
So I do Wonder like whether Thomas is proficiency at doing
things other than the route free that he was on which was pretty
limited like maybe maybe he's used in that way but maybe then
you're not getting the best out of them.
I don't know. I think you can be still like a
high and wide receiver too. And you know, you might be a
value now because you may get penics and nicks going on and
one ten right and I just be a value but in in basketball he
was going straight five. Yeah.
I mean, I'm in dinosaurs in space in in the month of April
so like that. I I got I'm on Dynasty
planet.com the best bowling p was like, I'm sorry, but I had
to take a stance like he's not draftable at that price.
That's I didn't Have to I didn't draft him either.
So that's where all my framing is coming from.
I just did a decent amount just because I'm like, there's no one
else here. And I and I think this guy is
upside. I've been doing the lamest
possible thing and drafting Deonte Johnson in that spot.
Yeah. See I was yeah.
Okay, I'm taking I'm Jacob. I'm on that side.
I'm on bad side. Now once you like the most
sexual time. Yeah.
I mean, yeah, you guys are out here talking about all these
long touchdowns. Can I talk to you a little bit
about 140 plus targets three years in a row until last season
and zero useful fantasy weeks zero nothing good from any of
that 1,000 yards season. He's literally like on a mission
to prove that yards for Target is actually kind of sticky.
That's just Yeah, so Jacob really low for me speaking of
Dynasty virgin. What would you say is the
biggest shift in ranks so far from pre-draft to post draft for
like a dynasty rookie draft. I mean, I think Michael panicks
which is painful for me because I look like a total dumbass.
I just like wrote this whole profile and penicks where I was
like, I will move them up. I guess if he goes around one,
but he really shouldn't and I don't think you will because I
think he's terrible and then you know, he goes 8 overall I had a
karthi so talk take for me. But I think I mean I think he's
gonna be a first round rookie pick now and like almost every
Dynasty rookie draft, which is is really interesting because I
don't know. How do you balance like eighth
overall pick in a perfect landing spot with Kirk Cousins?
Assuming that I'm not correct and assuming Kirk Cousins is
still a member of the Atlanta Falcons like like you're
talking. I mean you just kind of have to
perceive of cousins differently, right?
Like if the team is drafting the 8th overall quarterback, I feel
like once we rewire our brains and zoom out a little bit.
It's kind of like with the Gibbs pick last year where like as
soon as the lines picked Gibbs then like DeAndre Swift isn't
what we thought DeAndre Swift was anymore because he's not
that to the Lion's like I don't think Kirk Cousins gonna be
traded to the Eagles tomorrow, but I just think the NFL I mean,
I just can't right. I mean I can imagine because we
live through Jordan love and we live through training and all
that stuff. But like I love David, you know
at this point at this point like the moral Arc of the universe
been towards Michael panicked right like a Ben swords the
eighth overall pick not towards the 36 year old torn Achilles
veteran. So that's the big thing for me.
I mean if I don't know maybe he's not and then I have to
draft him. I don't think yeah.
No, I think that's where we gonna live Jacob.
I think it's like guys like you and me like scooping him at the
203. All right, which I don't want a
stupid Michael penix. I don't want to be at this
group, don't you? I thought I thought bonex was
gonna go in the second round which you know another L, but I
specifically wrote up that my dream location for him was was
the Bronco and I mean he just fits so perfectly into what I
think they need him to do. It's like one look over the
middle of the field. Oh this Lance not there check it
down. Like don't take sax process
quickly. Like he can he can do all that
stuff. I think that's like a really
safe. You know, if you took Andy
Dalton or Derek Carr one of these guys in your fantasy
superflex rookie draft like the 2002 203 like you've gotten I
think a lot of utility out of that over the years and that's
to me like the bonex world now. Can I can I think Dan Bo Nix is
it acceptable for? Yeah.
I'm kind of a bone extant. Yeah.
So rooms lukewarm for boats right now.
Yeah women in Luke we're swimming in lukewarm pool water
indoor pool water here in Phoenix, Arizona, but I so this
is going to be cope. Okay, right.
This is total. I kind of like him watching him
play. I think he can play a little
bit. So I'm rationalizing this and I
don't think anybody should ever use these kind of arguments
probably and I'm going to So he goes to Auburn as a true
freshman as one of the big time recruits in the country.
Yeah starts as a true freshman in the SEC at Auburn back when
Auburn was actually like decent but you know, Alabama's
redheaded step brother. It's that type of situation they
couldn't they couldn't this was Peak Bama, right?
They couldn't compete at that level and he's a true freshman.
He's already in the SEC and he was bad like like straight up
bad for a couple years at Auburn.
He was not ready to play Gus Malzahn who eventually got fired
at Alabama probably partially because he started by Nick's as
a true freshman and and I think the reputation around him kind
of just got ruined he gets a total restart goes to Oregon and
all he did at Oregon was absolutely bawl out.
I understand the check down stuff right?
I get it but part of that is like playing good football like
like taking what's available to you, right?
So you make a read guys not there get the ball to your
playmaker. And let him go make plays is
like good quarterback play Tom Brady did that and made it was
one of the best quarterbacks. If not, the best quarterback of
all time. Just being like Oh, Randy Moss
is an open here you go. James White go get seven yards
and and more and people are holding that against Bo Nix as
the fact that he matured as a quarterback was one of the most
accurate quarterbacks in all of college football and led one of
the best offenses one of the best Oregon teams.
We've seen certainly in a long time one of the best teams ever
frankly at Oregon and it's like it feels like we're holding the
fact that he was terrible at Auburn as a freshman against him
and a little bit of that was with Jayden Daniels too because
he started as a true freshman in Arizona State and was terrible
for hermit and Edwards and his dumbass teammates hated him and
what are those guys doing there? You know, it's selling insurance
or whatever and he's the number two overall pick in the NFL
draft. I just feel like it's the more
narrative based things being held against guys like Nicks
when all I see is like the super is he going to Be you know Tom
Brady or Patrick Mahomes. No, absolutely not do I think he
can be you know, why can he not be Kirk Cousins?
Like I really don't understand why he can't be Kurt Cousins and
in the NFL but no one ever seems to see that and and maybe I'm
just crazy but I feel like that's within the range for
sure. To be clear when I say like he
can do the check Downs that you can throw them in the middle.
Like, you know as the Gen Z would say like I'm not using
bracket derogatory. Like I'm using bracket
complimentary like I think it's I think you genuinely like, I
think I wrote in my rookie preview that I think basically
bone next to me is is kind of the JJ McCarthy toolkit just
without the benefit of the unknown where like in theory.
It's a little bit more like it could be anything like maybe
maybe underneath this like Harbaugh offense.
There's something more Dynamic there that I'm not aware of but
I'm like it's a very least he does the things that translate
to these like Nick Shanahan offense, which is you know, he
gets the ball on time. He delivers it accurately in
short and intermediate areas and with Nick's I'm a little bit
more certain that the ceiling isn't like top five quarterback
in the NFL but I I still think you mentioned Kirk Cousins like
I think be cousins like I think there's a certain number of
Trades you have to have to succeed in some of these McShane
schemes and I'd put Payton in that group too where there's
there's like you have to play point guard and do it and I
don't think that's a bad thing. Like that's that's a good thing.
He's a good point my only issue with it.
I only issue is that he went 12 overall.
Like I think I think that you it's great to me when you get
that in the second round. I think when you're Drafting and
12th, overall, you want a quarterback, you're like I can
see myself paying 55 million a year to this guy.
Loving it. And I don't know if I feel that
way about Bo Nicks, but maybe yeah from that perspective.
It's it's not as great move by the Broncos who kind of box
themselves into this with the way they handle the offseason I
think but like so what like from our perspective this is kind of
sweet. You don't know the Broncos.
We don't know yet. The will Levis slide last year
which a lot of people said like one of these panics and Nick's
guys is gonna get that slide treatment.
Like if these guys were in the draft last year would they have
been sliding to where it just so happened that we hit the Nexus
of team needs and the QB Avalanche started and they're
like walking like I'm not risking it.
What are the things I saw people are scared of next year's QB
class, which is that part of not good really bad.
I don't know anything about it. But if somebody looking you need
guys to take a big move up like a Knicks or Daniel's just did
like one of these guys like a jaxson dart or like I don't know
where is about about the bonus the the draft cost.
I mean obviously any QB if you hit on them, it's fine.
Right like it doesn't matter what you paid.
Right? I mean, we all know that but
Breeze is the is the comp for the Sean Payton thing.
You're hoping the Publix has that kind of feeling maybe he
doesn't have it down the field. Maybe he doesn't have the
processing maybe he can get his career.
But yeah the accuracy throwing it and He's got the underneath
accuracy is for sure. He has better accuracy than Andy
Dalton and he don't was not that accurate and Breeze it get it
out quick. And yeah, but you wouldn't get
down. You don't have a 78 percent
completion percentage bonus had last year in college and not be
quick at getting the ball to where it needs to be in space.
Right? Like that's because there's
gonna be some props like but like it's gonna get drafted way
too high because Bo Nicks just got him the ball out.
And does anybody like cheese Johnson guy like he's coming
next year. He is like he got like 130
passes from bone. He lives with an operator, you
know, next parents Breeze was a second round pick and so the
fact that next like goes this High you could have next go in
the early second because that's his skill set.
Maybe doesn't translate enough and I don't I'm not saying he's
Breeze, but obviously Breeze was better than that pick and I
think coming out there was maybe some concern that breeze had the
physical tools. He was too.
Work for his era like he was one of the first shorter
quarterbacks to have a long career.
So I mean I think like if you're there at 12 and you're like this
is such a perfect fit for what we do if you're Sean Payton and
you're like this, this is the quarterback we have to have
which a lot of us Jacob. You mentioned you wrote it up.
I know I was talking about it. Like this was like from an
analyst perspective. This was the fit for what Sean
Payton has always run offensively.
This is the quarterback you have to have if you're sitting at 12
just taking like it's the fucking quarterback position
right like It's not the Falcons pick like you don't have a
quarterback and and it's because you have dead money right for
the Russell Wilson things. So you need a rookie quarterback
for some respects. You need a quarterback.
So just go take Nixon. I mean, I was always fine with
it. They traded for their head also.
So yeah kind of needed something about Atlanta's like if they if
they traded back with, Minnesota.
Like there's there's there any world in which they don't just
get penics even at 11 again. Yeah be a world of which they
can't just like get a asset for free from Minnesota.
Right? Like what what was that?
Yeah, it's crazy know the other thing knows the only thing that
has made any sense whatsoever the most logical explanation
we've heard is your crazy fucking theory that they're
going to see the only logical thing behind the scenes Kurt
cousin contracts gonna get voided that might logically make
sense. I can I can follow the logic
Let's see only thing. All right Thomas to the Jags
official nice. That's awesome.
Good for Trevor. Hey, wow.
Oh, no, wait not it was 19. We already hit.
Yeah. Yeah, we already have already.
Yeah, we're already here to celebrate your losses.
I yeah, I just I think Trevor Lawrence just needs a guy like
this so badly like he yeah, he's working with these like either
out of position or washed like boundary wide receivers like get
him some with some juice. This is great well, and they
don't even do anything creative with their offense.
So you need someone who can win on outside like you need someone
to just go beat people down the sidelines.
I love It hides I thought this is really hilarious that they
paid game Davis is off season. I was just gonna stop at a
better version. Well, we've been married to Kirk
Cousins for Cape we can wax but yeah, there's great as it is for
Trevor. He all he did was just add Davis
and Brian Thomas on the outside who needs neither of them can
never say Jones. So Brian Thomas is the better
Jake Davis, Washington. Right now, yeah now this and
fancy Gabe Davis. That's good.
Yeah, this is sneaky so good for Kirk.
Yeah Ingram though. It's like it's wow amazing for
them because oh my God you Thomas every single play is just
gonna be go route. Go route spacing like that's
just loves this little slot out routes.
Yeah, Eric called slot outside Madden like we're running that
30% Target share. Oh my God and Ingram too.
I wasn't into him this year. I'm drafted him.
Yeah Kevin Ingram, but I will take Brian Thomas in basketball
in in the landing spot like this in an offense and I expect the
Jake to bounce back. I think Doug Peterson is a coach
that knows what he's doing. I think Trevor Lawrence can
bounce back last year. I think the expectations for the
Jegs were a little high they went low and now people People
are too low on them. They're going to come back.
Like there's some Ebbs and flows in the NFL.
We know that. They're better than how
retirement Taylor he needs to take like calling back from
press Taylor. I like press Taylor also used to
be a Colts play caller. He's he's horrific and like he
takes over play calling duties last year for Jackson bill.
I thought creativity went off a cliff.
The hope is Doug is taking back the controls.
This year would be I think optimistic for Jackson Bill.
What do you think press has on Doug Peterson?
He's got incriminating photos. He goes he takes over play
calling everywhere. He goes.
It's like what the fuck does this guy have on Doug Peterson?
I don't know. Hey, where's Brian Thomas go not
in Jacob's bulshit Dynasty drafts in Underdog know in
underdogs. Seventh round Christian Watson
know that's probably where he was going.
Yeah, so I don't think he to where he was going.
He should go there. I I agree with Jacob.
That's where you should go. He's gonna be a five six
Turnpike. It's gonna be he's gonna go on
the 5th. So he's gonna go he's gonna go
over Jesse, but I'm gonna stay below I'm gonna I'm probably
gonna be below as well. But I'm glad I have a I don't
think I went all around Brian Thomas Jr.
That's always really rich where the landing spot.
I I'm not saying after them there, but it's I have 19% of
Thomas. So this is great for me and you
I thought he was the last of a year in terms of The Upside at
the position Fair. Really?
Okay that way. Yeah go.
I mean you could get them in the in the sixth kind of the okay
early real quick Christian Kirk does Christian.
I was Kirk should be like a 3-4 turn back like yes, her should
be like what 20% curve so I've already hey, baby Johnson will
be Bryce Young's Christian Kirk second year disappointing first
overall pick, you know, maybe stop it.
See what I'm I'm excited to analyze the bills.
I like when Things fall into a place where I feel like I can
analyze it easily like Brian Thomas doesn't earn Targets in
as a vertical efficient threat Gabe Davis doesn't earn Targets
in as a vertical efficient threat Christian Kirk and
Effingham are going to be on the Christian Kirk and everything.
Yeah. No, I'm 100.
Here's the other thing. Here's the other thing about it
right when we first go into drafts right after you know,
best Mamiya Launches on Saturday or whatever.
Everyone's going to go in there gonna be drafted and all the fun
landing spots are all excited to get them but we know what is
actually gonna happen where the ATP values actually gonna be.
It's on the motherfuking projectable guys that you are
going to come in and steam to the guys.
What you're doing is really drafting before ETR public
Christian Kirk projection. Yeah that Over under 1.5 rookie
wide receivers ranked ahead of Christian Kirk by Michael Leone.
under easy under Mark. Oh, that's it.
For enough targets he's going to he's gonna have we'll see the
only thing. People are but he's gonna have
Brian Thomas 20 picks behind maybe yes.
Oh, yeah, Brian Thomas Ryan Thomas is 125 in Leoni's at 124.
Yeah. Brian Thomas like guys.
Alright guys up the board. But Marvin Jones is still
available tonight. Like that Marvin Jones, they got
this like lions up to 24. All the cup was traded back.
We get a Jonathan Brooks pick guys the trailer back to 295
Banks. You guys are about to win
dollars. Yeah, the Cowboys moving back
five pictures right now is so big for your 1000 Dollar Equity.
I'm serious. You're about to get a Jonathan
Brooks pick a 29 why you get 172 Skillets ski bucks you got I
love where we that we live in a world.
We get to have a stream going where we can get jokes off like
this ETR Subs get ready to learn 0% Right so good.
Could the lines go wide receiver here.
Yeah good. They need an axe like adding
Mitchell would fit right? They don't really have that guy.
What do you drop the fourth down?
Yeah, that's what you guys think.
What are you doing? Terry and Arnold who was a
massive Faller? Yeah potential CB1.
Mmm, what do you think about jmo.
I know he's not a rookie from the NFL draft.
But for this team that's relevant.
He feels like an interesting similar type player who I don't
quite Frank. I mean, I love him as a have
loved him for multiple years, but at some point you have to
see something from him and we certainly haven't seen much
other than a couple of fun place here here and there and I don't
really know what to do with him to be totally honest with you.
Like do you like jamo or Marvin Mims more?
I don't get jamo. But what about what about Jay
Moe's in this like does it look where bonus doesn't look where
Marvin Mims runs out. Okay next like Troy frankland's
entire like that's from bonix. That's there you go.
That's true. I think I like men's more.
Yeah, right game. Oh, they might you just got more
like Jacob on this one Wix over you guys.
Can we real quick talk about the actual draft that the Lion's
trade it up. It's in Detroit and they're
playing like Motown and the crowds going nuts.
It's pretty it's a good. It's a cool scene man.
This is awesome. Earlier, I thought I had um that
they had brought Eminem back out on stage, but I realized I had
just accidentally clicked my YouTube TV back to the very
beginning of the street. I was like, oh no, I'm not live
anymore. Eminem is dapping up Rodger
again the again. They should have just had him in
the entire thing. I think so too.
He was bigger than you. That that was just wild to me
they all you know, they all come out at the beginning and Barry
Sanders walks out in like this dude is significantly smaller
than him and he's one of the best running backs of all time.
Yeah. Are you guys seeing this Lion on
the back wall of the Lions war room here.
It's like subtle but oh got the blue eyes.
I want to see I want to see Brad Holmes like punching people and
hugging people and getting yeah, you know, like it's like he
doesn't even like this pet compared to last year.
What are we there's a cornerback here the chat was yeah.
They paid a lot by the way, like I don't have the Spielberger
chart in front of me, but giving up pick 73 to move five spots in
the late first Fields sub off the ball.
It the Spielberg chart is the chart to use.
I love that. You think if you think if you
think Dan Campbell gives a fuck about the Spielberg Charlie.
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Doing well. This is the Drake Made bags
funeral, right? Yes, not if you know not General
because I'm gonna continue packing them at a lower price.
So I have a lot of Pop Douglas cigarette May at least that's
What there you go? try to have a positive spin.
I think I have 45% Drake Made rookies and sophomores so that
that's a little scary if he doesn't start.
Yeah, it doesn't start we'll have problems.
That part scares me. Yeah, Draco Flex, I think doing
good for superflex. I think it's it's definitely
interesting that so many went inside the top 12.
Yeah. Yeah, we I mean like Jacob was
it Jacob who thought penics would be around one guy and kind
of early or my snap take was I just don't know how people are
gonna pull the trigger on him there, even if you have like
because a lot of the thought would be you have a need at
quarterback. It's not even guaranteed you're
gonna get production from here. There's two there's two sides to
it you a quarterback that goes eight overall in the NFL draft
has to go on the first round of a superflex rookie draft.
A quarterback who goes behind a guy who just signed 100 million
dollar guaranteed contract over the next four years like isn't
gonna play for three years. So, how long are you gonna wait?
and only one way I was thinking about it is like my mind even
even basketball and Dynasty 80P is somewhat predictive but
within specific drafts. You do get people making like
donkey pics. And it does feel like a donkey
pic where if you were to if you were to run 100 different NFL
drafts. Like this is the high point for
for I don't know not beating not the Falcons were three.
Do you think? He's not taking him taking cable
Williams. I mean, this is it's nuts.
The thing there's there's a Schrager tweet right now.
Where did it go? Did he just delete this?
I swear to God. I just run with void and
Underdog trap the equivalent of my penis going eight happened.
Yeah. What I think he might have
deleted it, but there was a tweet just now where they were
saying that this was from the Falcons point of view is
analogous to the love in Rogers stuff and they're saying if Kirk
takes him to the playoffs and they're never gonna have a high
pick, how are they going to transition out of it, but that
still does not change the fact that they could have traded back
and gotten pedex much cheaper and picked up an asset.
Oh love was kind of a project like he kind of made sense to
take him behind right quarterback like Rogers, then
the it I didn't think it was a great pick. at the time and then
they resigned Rogers and then it looks like really bad pick and
like in even in retrospect like they they probably shouldn't
have done it but it kind of works out in the end.
This was like the thinnest possible version.
It's like let's do that. But way fucking thinner let's
make this as hard as possible for it to pay off.
Its just the other thing is cousins.
He is 35 and I know quarterbacks have been playing older but like
hit people are quoting the four-year contract it it
probably will be difficult for them to play to this higher
level true 309. But if that's the case don't
don't give him 100 million dollars, right, you know, 100
million dollars nine figures guaranteed.
Yeah, you're already there you made that decision a month ago.
Like you have amnesia. Do not remember that you made
that decision. I get some cost but like why
make something a song cost so I'd be like, I mean it Was
compounded so many levels and then like we talked about love
but love is a lot younger. You know having yeah a lot
younger. So I mean like headaches.
I mean why take him of all especially McCarthy was on the
board. I mean that was another thing.
It's like if you now he's 25 now.
Michael penix is 25 today. He turns 24 man Steph as a
Cowboys fan. I know you'd be distraught if
they burned a pick on a running back here.
But are you willing to bear that cross for the chat to win 1000
dollars? I mean, I'm trying to look at it
positively like yes, the chat will win 1000 dollars and We
picked up something. I didn't see what the trade
actually was for but I'm assuming they acquired some sort
of assets. Hopefully Jerry doesn't do
something stupid with them. So I'm trying to positive but no
inside. I'm tilting and I still don't
understand because we had the players that would have made the
most sense for the Cowboys actually make it to them where I
like that grand Barton wasn't supposed to make it to him
possibly and he could play all over the o-line and he actually
was there because of all the crazy shit that happened early
in the draft. So of course Jerry is a do
something. I think he wants to make a
splash so I don't know. I think he'll be Brooks.
I was wondering that he's gonna do something or Texas wide
receiver. What if he takes like worthy or
something? Oh, we're good.
Yeah. Sure.
Yes, but why would he treat back for wordy?
I think it's earlier you read responded when I said it like
the trade back to make the trade back makes it really makes it
work. It's gonna be so good.
I can't wait here. I just pick somebody three.
So the shark is used that pick on a running back right there.
That's the way to play. Yeah, but don't play like that.
Hey, no one. Yeah exactly.
Sacrilegious. What is been your your favorite
draft pick or landing spot tonight for Fantasy.
I mean just getting to watch Davis tilt the panics pick.
I was pretty happy about the Brian Thomas pick.
I've got like 20% Christian Kirk.
I'm waiting Brian Thomas. I'm overweight.
I think I'm like 15% of an engram so that and I have you
Trevor Lawrence. So that was that was good for
me. It's pretty happy about that
one. I'm gonna eat Pat to make me
feel better about all my Drake Made though, cuz he's my highest
draft quarterback across everything so Well, yeah,
there's always next year. So I'm Gonna Make You.
Got a dynasty trade offer you guys.
Somebody wants to give me Gabe Davis for keonte Mitchell.
After they just drafted Davis. I don't know how I feel about
that. Fiance Mitchell's.
I mean, I'd like him but like seems he's not much.
Yeah, but ranking wise they're not that far apart.
You're in some sicko leaks whoever said in that trade, but
he's like Brian Thomas got drafted and Gabe Davis socks and
now I need to get a running back with a tornes.
Yell. I just need to get some but
something out of game David. He was the straw that broke the
camel's back for them with Dave Davis.
I finally after I just noticed it at least yeah.
Where are we out on the 80 Mitchell thing?
We're closed. Yeah, we gotta films never
traded up. We got the Cardinals at 27 and
they already took Marvin Harrison in this draft.
We got a fake two more picks because Green Bay just took an
o-line the books took a line too.
Oh, did they both went online? They do farting?
Oh, he literally just have the Cardinals and they already took
a receiver in this round. Yeah, Michael Wilson is good
kind of the 80 Mitchell s is and Harrison's an X.
So they got the outside guys covered.
I'm putting us like five to one at least.
Knock on wood. Thank you.
Really? No, that would be kind of nuts
because they just drafted Wilson and he was okay gotta go
somewhere else here. They have a lot of issues.
They have more hairy way more worthy would be pretty
defensible. I think they're not gonna take
two receivers in the first round.
I just probably not but if they did drop a receiver you think
Marvin Harris Robinson defense? Yeah, right.
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The only person who has ever said that full name on a fantasy
football stream. So we started We're back to 50%
and all we need is Xavier worthy to go before the end of this
round and there's some receiver picks coming and a running back
and the running back option and we'll be we'll be doing our fans
running backs what we want. I mean, that's Draco.
Is I'm starting to get scared. I you know put Micah ones on the
table multiple times that there's no way Xavier worthy
doesn't go around one. Is he gonna go around one Draco?
That's not the confidence. I wanted to hear.
I mean you practically force me to take Xavier worthy in our
draft last night. It is one of those things where
their further you go into the ground the more I saw like yeah
We have I mean we have a couple of this is what it was like me
with you for like five years. It's like Canon of draco's real
reaction and not interrelated. Little thing about Xavier and
round one is we're always gonna have the hopium of the Chiefs
doing it with the last year that has been the chalk box that I
picked the whole time. Yeah, what about it?
What about a Dawning or I had an eye or however, which might
means God by the way guys when you Yes, because I actually know
he is here on the show. Um, I mean the bills the bills
still need a wide receiver, right?
Yes. Yes, they do nine years.
Yeah. A lot of teams still need wide
receivers. Do you think we're because of
the first? Wrap before just tweeted that
the Cowboys traded back and got sniped by the box.
I was that that's what I said. I told you Barton was the pick.
That's what I said the center. He could play the center and all
guys. That's what that's what I just
said. because if Sorry, you know who the next guy on the board is
the guy they wanted next in the second round that's there for
our bags. I mean, we all know that we have
a lot of books going. And you know, I don't know if
you've heard this or not, but the doctor that did its knee so
the team doctor wait a second breaking news from breaking
news. You're telling me that that
doctor has intimate knowledge of Jonathan Brooks's meniscus.
He obviously doesn't care about his Hippocratic oath.
I mean, how are the hip of violation so I totally different
things there. HIPAA violation my favorite
thing about that. I think I said this to Pat let's
not show was that like no one wants ever considered that him
doing that surgery might make him the most bearish person in
the world about it was only the positive it's like actually I
kind of fucked out. What up.
I was missing but you guys. The Rappaport tweet.
I'm sorry. I like all I could think when I
was hearing you guys talk about this was who leaks that
information? It's Jerry Jones because he
wants to take Jonathan Brooks. He leaves the guy all the guy we
wanted when we tried. What are we gonna do now we got
Back, yeah, because the logical picks we're sitting there that
made it to it because it was just taking it was Barton.
It was bartender gotten which were both there.
I mean Barton was supposed to be gone probably.
Yeah, and then he said he's like when they treated they and then
it's like Oh, let's do this black sheep.
And not you because you're not supposed to take her to the
first round. We did not.
If they wanted those guys what they just take him before
trading. Yeah. and you Don't take my guy.
You better really like whoever you take.
Like yeah, whoever you take better fucking hit.
Yeah. bills have traded the number 28 overall pick Lyon is
just furiously masturbating under the covers right now as he
did not want to ride receiver. Well, you can get you yeah. at
this point, I think the strength is the depth like you you want
to you want a couple cracks now, I think So they take Keon
Coleman and mess it all up. Right?
I do kind of want that just because it just so I could have
the clip of Leo say, you know, I don't really care who they take
is as long as it's not the unclean.
I think panics is gonna fall asleep around a rookie drafts.
I think you the Thomas will go ahead of them.
Now. I think you I think Nick will go
ahead of them. I think McCartney goes out of
them. And then it's just like good
landing spot build good landing spot Chiefs and good landing
spot running back. And now he's just like around
it. I don't see how he goes in the
first who's who's taking right? Not so how high does Brooks go
now that he's a first draft pick. from your lips to Jerry's
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We need Xavier worthy here to go in round one and we'll be able
to do another one of these or Jonathan Brooks stats Cowboys.
So clean though dude, just with the cheese.
It's the new Tyree. Thank you worthy.
Oh my God. That would be an eruption for
the last pick. So where does his ADP land if he
goes to the Chiefs? I'm taking him before Brian
Thomas. He's going yeah, that's right
Thomas. He's got to be.
I don't have enough. I have enough Brian Thomas.
I do not have enough worthy. Well, here's the thing you
immediately take them over Marquis Chief just traded up in
her on the clock. Oh, holy shit.
Oh, okay. Oh, yeah.
So who did this guys? Oh, wow.
She's so the ones who traded up. So the bills must know.
Okay. So the bills last year.
They tried it up for his Rob says he was I can't believe I
forgot to bring this up when Davis is on but Dylan La Vie
being a pickleball bro was the biggest one of the offseason and
Davis did like a 180 out. He's like now I'm a tennis Brown
and they say let's go play. Actually something in the chat
about it today Davis and we were talking to Jack so good.
Oh, let's write it up for Xavier worth save the draft they shit.
Xavier what does that mean? 80 Mitchell to the bills that
maybe because maybe like they knew that they were gonna take
the smaller guy. I mean, it means it means
Xavier. They're gonna take its gonna go
ahead of Michael Pence and superflex rookie that we will
update tonight, but you can guarantee you that part of that.
I love that. She might have been able to
stand Pat and still get them in there.
Like we can't risk it we need this guy.
They gotta go get him. He's the new tycoon or be cold,
but what? So what is this mean for
Hollywood? Not good, it's bad.
Yeah, very words on one year deal Reclamation wasn't very
good last year never. Was that good any point I know
but I haven't been too legs and I should have sold him earlier.
I tried. Unfortunately, you can't sell
him for the same price. Well, unless you know, look he's
kind of sometimes starts slower in the cheese.
So maybe they'll be a win that people are not like you just got
a game Davis offer as soon as Brian Thomas. that's how it was
bought and The other thing though, is that cheese were so
depleted last year. So the pleaded that like they've
always had room for multiple guys.
So Hollywood could still be good in an offense where there's a
couple of them gone off? He was kids.
Yeah, she's suspended know plenty of it. was ruined after
the panics fake Davis even this I'm Gonna Make You guys spell I
thought about you. Shout out to Pete who was saying
a long long time ago that Xavier worthy was definitely going in
the first round. I know that I remember this two
months ago. I mean like I was getting a
little bit. Yeah, but I mean, you know that
absolutely into the Chiefs. I mean to the fucking cheese
they traded up for me. I'm almost so excited.
I want to roll this guy more clip.
That's how he did not make a clip.
Do not too obvious for a clip. Well sleep for everyone loves
don't worry. Yeah, we got the most.
Yeah someone else poor. It's not him.
I think we motion. Has definitely not been drafted
yet. I want to make it a doomsday
clip like that's where I'm at. Oh.
Just emotional. I want to test he's don't even
know you. Might take a couple years
because of the because of the Keenan Allen teacher more
situation. Well fantasy players are
patients. So that's not that's notoriously
one of the strong suits and no one's ever been let down by the
wide receiver 3 in a Shane Waldron offense.
Yeah. That was a that was a deep cut
that was a deep cut. Oh, no, I'm still like with
shape Waldron gives his opinion on that pick.
He's like, I know just what? Oh, Brad Ricky you were gonna be
perfect for five yards down the field Target.
Yeah, watch this footage here. Unfortunate reality.
So the trade was the chief Scott, obviously the 28 that 133
and 248 the bills moved back to 32 and picked up 95.
So a jump from 133 to 95 in a jump from 248 to 221.
Not not a bad job. Terrible.
He had yeah. Well, I love about that.
And I mean I hate this at all and all sports like, oh we can't
trade with our division rival. We can't show with the Bills and
Chiefs just made a trade the bills moved up in two other
spots that didn't want something that wanted to move back.
They said go ahead and come up like we think we can out skiing
you you get let us come up in other spots.
We're going to make a better team than you.
We're gonna go beat you in the playoffs.
That's the team that they have not been able to be in the
playoffs yet and they let them come up for a player.
They wanted and a lot of teams would say no to that and like
how hats off to the bills for being like, you know, what we're
gonna fucking we're gonna beat you in other ways like go do
your thing. We'll take the The equity in the
later draft picks, you're going to run the ball pretty times
again the next time they play again last time not not that
tough for that part. Yes, he traded with the Chiefs
from the homes. Yeah, Leon.
Was it really? Is that true?
You objectively hard to fault being for the trade subjectively
that trade being to the Chiefs and then taking worthy will give
me nightmares all summer, especially.
Must have I wonder if they wanted 80 and just knew hey they
want worthy. We'll just get a little bit of
value and it it's not a big. Yes.
They wanted a bigger receiver and you yeah, I don't think they
wanted worthy like from what their scheme is and everything
else like the bills need an X. Like they need a guy who
actually went on Route like they like they worthy wasn't a great
fit for them necessarily. So we talked about the fucking
Chiefs right after I was saying we're gonna walk off the stream
at 32 with it with worthy to the Chiefs.
They traded up and took worthy. That was fucking great.
We talked about Brian Thomas and worthy.
But what about worthy in a doomsday?
Does he flip odunze in baseball? Wow.
Yeah, he does one of that earlier.
I think he does. Yeah.
I think he should in basketball and I'm gonna do anything guy.
I think you have to. I think you are already had
worthy pretty high in their ranks when I was looking for dye
and Us Fall. I remember thinking I was like,
wow they were I think they already had him over Thomas like
from the get-go. What I did my perfect draft
video and then I did like the exercise.
I did worthy to the Chiefs and I said, he'd be a mid 5th round
pick and like a doomsday was already going late forth and
he's definitely gonna slide he's gonna stop at this even though
that was the chalk spot for him to go witch whatever but yeah,
he's gonna get flipped. It was the chalk spot, but it
was also it's like that versus the field and he and it's such a
worse spot than the other spots because right.
Yeah, so it's very what is like 50% of the outcomes and the
other 50% were all better right? Like yeah.
I think it was less than 50% like yeah.
I thought it made a ton of sense for them to trade back out of
that. I thought yes.
Yeah, right 50% was too high for sure.
Yeah. No, I but I I think you guys are
right worthy has to go ahead of him.
But a dune says a much better Prospect and I am gonna like I
get an allen said his injury issues.
He's older. I'm excited for a doomsday
Landing with the bear still like he's with Caleb Williams
specially long term like in Dynasty.
Yeah. Yeah, but In best ball.
It's a little trickier, but man like I'm still gonna take him in
some best ball. He's like when we have these
crowded receiving rooms. there are situations where things can
get Consolidated injuries and what have you and so anyway, I
if a Jewish starts sliding too much like he's gonna be really I
think he will I think he's gonna be a value in I think he's
honestly, he's probably me more value in Dynasty because I think
worthy probably flips him in Dynasty.
Is that crazy? No, it sounds right that he will
yeah. Yeah, you should I still have
I'm still gonna have a doomsday ahead.
I'm just trying to get the rookie rankings out Sunday and
we'll have the full ranks out Monday.
But here's here's the interesting one.
So rice has been going like in the fourth round right now.
Does rice come down to what? Yeah.
That's the four five turn now right is rice worthy Mahone.
That's all there and you you pick your Kelsey's there too.
So you grab you basically try to grab.
I mean you just grab like my home.
I've been grabbing that before that I got that before a cheaper
prices in Dynamics. Yeah.
So how high does Caleb go
because this has been right. I'm gonna I'm gonna disagree
want people. I think he's already there.
He's reacting to the pending suspension.
But you just said it they were overreacting.
I think we're gonna find because of this picture.
Yeah, maybe for a stretch but I think we're gonna talk about a
one two game suspension and I think eventually he's gonna come
back to like the two three turn. Like I think I don't know that
he'll set them Xavier worthy. Oh completely.
But when are we going to know about not for a while?
Here's the other thing we probably won't get any answers
for a long time seeing this suspension stuff play out.
It happens this way. Every time makes no sense and it
shouldn't happen this way. But when he gets suspended he
will drop it off double count the market double count double
counted I get to take so much fucking or she writes this year
like all of your agreement and that's that's way too much.
She alright. I already have a bunch and I'm
gonna be drafting a bunch. Yeah, I have a time.
I've already been putting Target right offers.
Um, all right, the Cowboys took an offensive tackle know
Jonathan Brooks want Steph. So no, that's who I thought.
Okay. So that's the bit that's been
the chalk paint the entire time. You mentioned got yeah that too.
Yeah, cuz Guyton was who it was between like I said Barton and
Guyton from the get-go Barton wasn't supposed to be there but
they'd really do need a tackle the capacity take over Tyler
Smith. I mean that Tyler Smith Tyron
Smith, one of the teas they have too many teas that Tyler guys
know, but he's a little bit raw so I don't I mean hopefully
he'll be ready to start because they want to learn Smith at left
guard. But he could still play left
tackle if he had to. All right, we're gonna do this
get away here. She Is for our third out of the
five, we still have the running back one.
If that could happen, but David Sprague Greg, you know him
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The Braves were sick of the 90s. I mean they well, let me toss it
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We had John Smoltz. They had that sick pitching
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they have as part of that they'd like three or four.
Just true Aces there. Whatever.
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You have one of the shots like I was born in 1990.
Oh, yeah more of a scale. Yeah, big deals is fired from
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The Ravens are selecting a quarterback Nate Wiggins at
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guys. We're not getting we're not
getting the running backpack because I don't think I should
take in the running back. because when's their next the
Cowboys next pick is what 50 something oral horse shows for
the we got to get something on one of these.
Let's pick 32. Let's get something.
Let's ride like like let's all six of us.
Let's make a prediction who's going to be pick 32.
Well, yeah, let's do something with the chat.
I'll do I'll do a hundred dollar gift card to the store to get
some shift chasing merch How should we do this?
If it's if it's a skill position player, how about this?
I'll do what if it's a running my buddy dump Biryani is in the
chat. He's a Bills fan.
He wrote shoot me. Doesn't feel good about big 32
go bills go go. I was just about to ask I was
like, hold on. Let me message go bills to see
who they think. I like Neil.
Neil's got a good call in the chat.
It's Troy Franklin. Oh, that would be fun.
Let's do this. If yeah, if a pig one of these
final picks is skill position. So quarterback running back wide
receiver at tight end. We'll do a hundred dollar gift
card giveaway. It's Troy frankly wheels up.
Oh, it's it's you think they'd take Troy Franklin over 80
Mitchell at this point. They have a bunch of teams
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what I saw. What was the BET Pete?
Just if we get a if we get a skill position player, we'll do
a hundred dollar gift card for some shift.
So let's take a skill position player.
I like that. That's good.
They're gonna take a receiver. That's we're that's a free
giveaway. What's the hashtag?
Why don't you start throwing the hashtag out now because well, we
generally do the hashtag after it hits, you know.
I don't want to rug poll. Okay, what's what's one?
Troy? Franklin or Ladd McConkey to the
bills? Oh for me by a measurable amount
of dollars. Did you say Ladd McConkey?
What kind of name is that? It's a good luck.
I really like I'm not deserves to go to the Panthers.
We need lad Deontay Johnson out of the same fucking team.
A lot of people mocked led to the night guys.
Can we talk about how few trades there were?
Because a lot of people mocked the last trade down and Higgins,
but yeah you right Pat the fucking Falcons.
They ruined it. I think Davis is right.
Davis I saw tweet that the the Niners were asking for a mid
first round for IU can they didn't get it?
And so they stayed back. Yeah.
I think the Jazz are trying to get.
All right. All right.
Who the hell is Beijing? Dijon because that's that's who
Dom thinks it is. for the bills That's a good.
Thing I was Defensive. He's a DB.
Yeah, and thanks again beat Katelyn Clark and basketball.
So that's who he thinks the bills are gonna take.
Secret receiver, please. that they yeah, so he's in the chat
confirming he says but here. Who do you want them to take
down white? Who do you want?
I think I think the message stop being so rationally.
And tell him to come on here and explain himself.
It's will someone make a Cooper DeJean clip for the show.
Like I don't know when we'll see us up to ever play it but it
feels like something we should have seen like we should have
that. I was like who?
You haven't seen his basketball highlights stuff.
I missed it. You know, I'm not playing any
IDP leads. You know, let me I'll pull this
up for you. I've never seen him play
football, but I've watched his basketball highlights.
Hey Pete. Yeah, take that fantasy life
surfboard and kind of surfing. It did the second these cameras
go off man. I get fucking pit it back here.
That's what I thought like man right get on the ways.
Just let it flow. Just feel it.
That that's like my you know, there's check-offs UW helmet.
There's check off surfboard, you know one of these days it'll
show up on stream. All right, here he is.
Holy shit. Dude.
The 49ers are taking Ricky Pearsall.
What? Oh, okay.
Oh, wait, wait, wait, who's still alive?
Is it Aries Aries? Got Pearsall the Ari.
Yeah. Oh, he's usually right.
Which one is it? What?
I'm seeing multiple know Aries, right?
Daigle just retweeted Cupertino to the United Way There is Bagel
take you. That's not true.
I heard that pierce almost gonna go early.
But I mean, this is over 80 and Charlie.
Wow. This is five wide receivers
earlier than I expected at least Pearsall made one ridiculous,
like one of the greatest catches you'll ever see he went like
this and then palmed it and brought it in.
It wasn't Odell Beckham catch, but other than that teacher our
profile what dog shit everything dog shit.
He's athletic but like not a good like no stats.
All right wrap report. Just tweeted out Pearsall.
Okay yourself? There's no that's the back this
up other than the athleticism and really cool one and catch
that I just did a great, you know example of he was like He
was really good area been I think he I think he can earn
Targets in the intermediate area.
Is that it? Yeah, I think that's what it is.
He played more and he played more than just slot.
I think too. I agree.
I think you can move them but he like can definitely move around
no, no to break out right? No 30% breakout, and I don't
think so. no, but it was closed and there was a decent pull up.
Yeah, I type in Ricky Pearsall one-handed.
Yeah, he and Paul had a 20 you traded up for 30, too.
There it is. I just thought honey bees
Beyond. Oh my God between two Defenders.
It's it's legitimately one of the best catches of all time.
And you think great guys 80 P Watch.
What is where does Ricky Pearsall go?
To somebody just say Brooks to the Panthers.
Is that serious? I'm not on Twitter right now.
Yeah. It's great.
Let's say 75. It depends on if I you gets
move. Right for sure for sure.
We're talking that up all these reasons and people people do get
very aggressive at wow American man.
Thank you. I was getting him on top of my
boards like every draft for a while there.
I only got we gotta Dynasty. Oh, yeah, he's moving up.
Yeah. He's going way up.
At least around I did not expect him before the end of round two.
Um, all right, he was gonna go early, but I was thinking around
too. Who took him the Niners?
What the fuck? He did right?
He's a really good Rat Runner. Hey all those Juwan Jennings
bags have fuck you. He's gonna turn 25 as rookie
year. Do I have that right?
Hey, no, that's right. Think how much fun are our tenth
round picks and playoff basketball are gonna be getting
to take Ricky Pearsall. Jennings was the guy you needed
him. I just fuck off.
It's literally the guy you needed.
I was he for a hundred dollar ship chasing gift card.
Yeah. The Panthers pick is in as well.
They took a get. Oh.
That's the whole that's the moving discount.
He's Carolina guy. No, Carolina told him.
We already promised him. They were taking him if he made
it like Helicopter you guys remember from Forrest Gump like
talking to him and the clip is a man of his word right thing is
like his profile is so similar to Jonathan mangoes.
Oh, yeah. That got him more joy than a
pick like that was value. Maybe tomorrow will trade down
again. Yeah.
Sheet numbers right now have a TV.
He gained he feels so good. Oh man, you like to quit.
That one Grinch. Yeah, pure salt to the Niners
won best ball pics too because it was born in a fun way.
Man still are they preparing for a potentially trading I use this
year or are there like we're gonna lose them eventually.
He's not saying here. We we need a we need to drop
this replacement now. That's I think it's partly that
and partly just an understanding of who brought pretty is and you
just have to keep loading up every year right?
Well, but like also you have to pay pretty eventually I think if
you look like three to five years into the future, you're
not I like what Draco just said is true.
You're not keeping you right or you're not keeping you and debe
like you already have kiddle you already made your deal for CMC
and that's like you you ride those out to those guys are
done. One of those guys is being paid
at like legit why receiver numbers?
You can't pay both of them at wide receiver numbers when
you're paying Kittle at a big number and you're paying CMC at
the big running back number. And all so then have to pay like
30 at a certain number right? Like you just can't do all of
that. So you draft another receiver or
three right? You don't pay him yet.
You don't pay him you don't yet, but it's coming it's coming.
And so whether that trade happens to me, or maybe it
happens next off season. Like I used not long or or DeVos
not long. Maybe it's Depot.
One of them is not long for the Niners roster.
Yeah. It has to be that way.
Well to your point Gretch Greg Wells and fall just bumped this
report here. According to Tom Kieran on NBC
Boston. The Patriots have been working
on an IU trade. There's nothing solid on it yet.
But when the 49ers get on the board at 31 if they take a wide
receiver, then we should spend our time Friday wondering at the
paths can execute the deal Drake maybe bags are back, baby.
The only player I may have more of the rice is Ike.
I have a ton of the only player I have more of the Drake Maye is
what? someone asked we should hit on
it like jokes aside with the legs stuff like first round
draft capital very kind of polarizing Prospect profile.
What do you guys going to do with him?
So I think the tough thing with Leggett first of all, I think
he's going to get like passed in ADP by guys who go tomorrow in
better spots and only people are going to be excited about the
landing spot. I think we'd like kind of just
did this with with Jonathan Mingo.
Yeah. It's it's the quarterback is you
know, it's very concerning so I think like probably mid mid
second or early to mid second something like that for I have
at some point you have to with the draft Capital but like like
would you take him or panics? Oh, I want to take him there the
bullet. The bullet he I think I would
probably take penics over him if I'm betting on draft Capital why
not just take the quarterback of 18 overall.
Yeah, what about what about best ball sack religious?
Where do you think he settles higher or lower than where he
was in the Big Board lower for sure and I'll probably end up
with a I was already getting a decent amount of panthers
Stacks. I'll probably have a pretty
heavy amount now. I'm just hoping that I mean I
think I'm wondering if Deonte Falls too just with a little bit
more competition. But yeah, I just want to
discount on Panthers at all load up.
Yeah, I mean like get was already fairly cheap.
I wonder I think I would maybe say that he would stay holed
kind of where he was going. I don't know.
I feel like people. Still really prioritize the that
first round. Draft Capital that will be
interesting to see I think you're right.
I think in baseball. You probably stays pretty close
to where he was because he never got that expensive.
No. And I because he moved he kind
of moved up with the steam that he was gonna go higher than a
than expected. Yeah.
The first round a lot. So I guess some of the hype
about 80 Mitchell on interfering well and stuff was true.
Seems like it. Yeah, people do really weigh at
landing spot very heavily they do for sure but probably like
you're saying with the people what better on the spots going
tomorrow moving ahead of him. Like people will wait on these
spot more than the Dropout though.
I agree and this is a it's a tough draft Capital too because
it's like it's the Panthers traded up one spot.
It's like what is it even fucking mean like is it really a
first jumping or is it you know, I saw I saw something on Twitter
where a yes so like local Mama and Papa and look at coffee shop
or something. They had a sign out.
That's a pleased that her head coach on GM actually make the
pick this year and pepper actually went in there and he
That's crazy. I saw this too and it was like
this is not a joke. Like he actually came inside.
Okay, so here's here's some people that will definitely go
ahead of look at right now that are going around him Ricky
Pearsall definitely goes over again.
That was thinking should do you get the Jahan Dotson bump?
Oh, he's already going ahead. Why would Pierce all go ahead of
the game? He just got drafted in the
Niners because he got a little bit better.
Profile. So, I'm sorry.
I'm thinking basketball. Are you seeing the United
States? No.
No, this is best. We're not.
Whether I guess Trader or not. Yeah.
Well, if I if you do think it's possible they don't get traded
until next year. And I don't know that I'm here I
would do. Okay.
All right. I'm not saying that's right or
wrong. But I think that's I think
people you just talk. I want a piece.
I want to piece this offense. I'm just saw as a piece.
I think Pierce those. I like Pearsall.
I don't I don't. Yeah, I don't think I'm played
as a contingent upside thing, too.
You just saw Pro Pierce all has like all the peripherals that
you want from like that slot guy who does better than like the
normal stuff would suggest and then he goes first round to the
49ers. So it's like all right.
I'm fucking in, you know, like a second pack goes.
I want a little Pearsall. I'm like I Sacrilege, like who's
taking Jahan Dotson over Xavier Legacy.
I mean, yes, people already are by like a decent amount.
Yeah, which surprised me I thought I don't like either but
I still don't think I could take Dotson over.
No, I mean he's I don't think I have any dots and yeah, there's
no point. There's no yeah.
He's terrible. Okay, so here's here's another
guy. So like Say these guys land on
the bills because these are all guys that are going behind him
right now, like receiver goes ahead of Legacy for sure.
Roman Wilson lands on the bills. Is he going ahead?
Yes, yes, but he only would Kia Coleman for sure.
He's already going ahead though. Jalen Polk on the bills.
I think would go ahead too. Yes.
Whoever the bill takes her to the path.
You got a lot of there's just there's a lot of Warm Bodies
that and a lot of good Landing spots still that need wide
receiver like the cows if you guys should anchor to the Past
prices because like as soon as Xavier worthy went the students
the the cheese straight up to save or whether it was a
different landscape. There's no anchoring to the Past
anything right like the conversation was is he ahead of
Aroma Dooms Day or not? That was it.
Like there's like right like it changes everything once you get
that landing spot, you know, like I I don't want to Anchor
too much to the pre the thing the market will though the
market will anchor to someone with some of the I grew with you
with one worthy been like that's a game changer like the first
just traded up for him. Like that's So we're not we
throw it out and start from scratch but in the bills, yeah
with the bills will too. But yeah with some of the other
ones I think it's more you're just kind of splitting here.
Well, it's it's so funny because you think about like say take
the ADP move with someone like Xavier Legette like you're
getting the market is getting excited about increased draft
Capital. So they're putting up but then
they're gonna get mad about the landing spot and then like push
it back down like they're constantly trying to tow that
line or thread that needle of like, I want good draft apple
and the perfect landing spot. They're going to be able to tell
them that story with Ricky Pearsall and I think in their
hierarchy of needs they will put like targets third ahead of
draft capital and team fit like decent quarterback.
And you're going to you can tell yourself to continue Value
Story. Like he I don't I guess it
depends where people goes. Like if he's a 9th round pick
that seems bad. But if he's like a 12 from pick,
I'm like, yeah two weeks out of this is pretty soon.
Yeah. Yeah, I think it was 12.
Yeah the opportunity cost between 9 and 1200 is huge.
Yeah. It is the running backs dry up.
So Do you know what you're gonna get with the Ricky Pearsall too
is his ADP will probably be somewhere around Brock Purdy.
So you'll get like that Brandin Cooks Dak Prescott Dynamic last
year where it's like if you miss out on the early guys, it's
like, oh I'll just do that little cheeky Brock Pretty Ricky
Pearsall. What if What if are you get
traded where is Pearsall then? Like seven round.
Yeah. Like he's going ahead of
Christmas and pretty easily. Yeah, I mean because right now
you get party at like pick 96 so you get him at the end of the
8th. But I think Pearl would move up
before that. So you get ahead of party parole
would be the beginning of the seventh.
He'd be the sixth seventh turn, which is gross. yeah, because he
I mean, I keep thinking of it like last year.
All of the first round picks went in the top 84 this year.
We're seeing an inflation on rookie wide receivers in
general. like yeah, he would definitely be a six or seventh
round pick post trade. Yeah.
All right. Let me purple.
Yes as remember when the Falcons still panic.
God all right brain is scrambled eggs right now.
Jesse riddle. Congratulations 100 miles
girlfriend, you know, he's not buddy.
Yeah. Just congratulations.
Jesse. Shoot me a message on Discord
Twitter wherever with so I can DM you and get your email for a
gift card. Thank you, sir. um All right
here. All right.
It's getting late. I'm gonna need to to go to bed
here soon. Um, what do you kids are some
Kids. Yep, just one but you know, she
was up at 5:30 this morning. So yeah, so guys I'm doing okay.
Did you guys hear she was crying pretty loud or you guys here?
No. No, that's a reef on I got the
idea for this baby everyone. He came on the other crazy like
researching. Yeah, man Pat, did you go get
the package? I sent you.
Oh no. Oh go get it.
Yeah. No, we're staying on you get
that. Yes Pete says some goodies.
Draco you bet. I haven't seen you in the in the
Discord lately. Have you been have you been busy
with work? Yeah, yeah, pretty much.
I've been a probably easy to tell I've been a little
unplugged at gonna a couple of drops recently with
sacrilegious, but that's nice need to get back into things.
Nice wherever he has been driving in the into worthy
yesterday. We were gonna pass on worthy
quarterback, and he he maybe take worthy there feeling pretty
good about that. I think we got like five rounds
of clv on it. Right.
That's why I just drink. Oh God knows what?
He's doing a little bit the word.
He was really the only of those rookie writers here.
I thought could realistically jump like oh you Go you can pull
up the ones that are the ones that are in the plastic bags.
Those are will be relevant. The the audience will enjoy
those. That is awesome.
Yeah that that's a that was an April hammy down.
I figure you might want to make the football shirt for Vivian.
We got me. Yeah.
We got that beautiful beautiful. And then this one I'm
manifesting for you here. Oh, yes. legendary Yeah, you
know it's, you know dress for the job.
You want not the one. But yeah, congratulations and
yeah and enjoy it man. It's such a fun fun time.
And yeah, we're all stoked for you and glad that you made time
for us tonight because I know it's hard to get back.
We saw him. Yeah.
Um, no, it's been going good. We're like, you know, definitely
it's it's kind of crazy just sort of like Just in you're just
kind of just like chugging along but she's she's eating.
Well, she's sleeping. Well, she's putting on weight.
We're feeling good. Awesome.
I let's quit Steph. I let the people know what you
got going on. You've been doing some Dynasty
content over at a legendary upside.
Yeah. I'm working on a dynasty
strategy article that has taken a little longer than I initially
thought always especially since we'll probably be busy doing
some rankings updating this week and I'm guessing but it will be
out soon. Probably next week sometime.
We'll see. I expect that soon.
Draco you got anything going on you cook it up and he articles
for Road of us. We need to get you back in the
lab man. I mean, I do need to get back in
the lab. I found a couple of false
starts, but that funny. Yeah.
Definitely. It's almost summer.
So gotta get back in the swing at things.
Awesome, Sac religious. How about you really enjoyed
your article your most recent one talked about that on
Lowell's today. Let the people know what you've
been working on. Oh, there is there's so much
cool stuff. We have cooking right now.
I've been restraining myself every day to not leak all the
stuff. But yeah, I'll just say I'm
really the Pittsburgh Steelers of sites, okay?
Super excited for people to get to see everything we've been
working on because so much of it has had to be behind the scenes,
but I'm really looking forward to getting to unveil all of the
stuff. We've been working really hard
on so Awesome. Can't wait.
Everything sacrilege is right. I mean this dude is a sharp as
fucking guy. Oh, let's be real good forever.
Would you say you were gonna get his drug cause you did last
year. I mean, I'm more sober than last
year. Okay, put the helmet on this
year it is. I don't have a burp.
I'm like, hey, we'll get there. We'll get there anything Grant
you'd like to you'd like to plug you got the stealing signals
post out here. Do I sound that drunk?
Damn? You're completely you're good.
You're good. No see those post from earlier
today. That's no longer relevant.
Like I wrote it as a it'll hit your inbox before the draft.
And if you see this click on it before the draft, you know, but
you don't want to see it now. Otherwise, uh, yeah, we're
kicking it three you dub picks in the first round.
I don't know if you guys went to College's where three players
got drafted in the first round. I did and then Rich Gannon won
MVP and he went to Delaware. So how about that you?
time I Jim chase you guys I tee up scratch for a plug, you know
a shift chase you managed to undercut the plug every time
every time I check out. Yeah, I I went to college in our
own so, you know, there's nobody ever heard of how do you like
get a kicker one of these days? Yeah, I think you could play
more. It's boring her when he came
from Germany that what time it's cool said enough, right?
Yeah, the the Packers punter is from our house and we just had
we just had the Ireland the nation of our own just how to
kick her son for the Saints. Yeah, so we're getting there.
Uh Pat, are you going back in the the paternity lab?
Are you going back in the content lab?
I'm going back in the content lab.
Although I'm gonna be Trying to work like more like four days a
week and not as intense in May as I was beforehand, but we have
some really cool articles of Sac was kind of teasing their I have
an article. I'm really excited about that
actually builds off of sacrilege as article on jaccard similarity
and that he's got another article in that kind of
expanding on some of those ideas.
So kind of some some stuff that's kind of building on the
content in a really cool way. I have a couple more Evergreen
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