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First episode of in season ADP chasing joined as always by
Davis and Pat, who Pat is filming this using.
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ADP chasing without someone having atrocious Wi-Fi like I
had last week. Anyways, this this is going to
be. Professional on this show, Sam.
That is true. This show, this is going to be
shocking people. This is actually going to be an
attempt to keep this a clean one hour in season show.
We don't have time. It's not the offseason anymore
to do the two hour rambling ADP chasing.
So we're going to dive right into it.
Let's go over first what the show format is going to be each
week. We might iterate on this a
little bit, but to start off we're going to have three
categories of players that each one of us is going to come
prepared to talk through. First, there's the victory
lapping player. This is a player that basically
we believe should be going way up in rest of season rankings
after the previous week's performance.
There's the bag defending player.
This is probably a player that had a bad week and the market
might be panicking on, but you are actually pretty confident in
them. You don't think the rest of
season outlook should be two different after the week.
And then finally, the panic button player.
This is a player that you think should be moving down
significantly and rest of season rankings.
That's it. Pretty straightforward.
The last thing I'll add is that these takes don't have to line
up with our offseason exposures. It's certainly more fun if they
do. If you want, that's how I
approached it. I just want to say that like I
approach this as it pertains to things I would have said on this
program for the last eight months and not necessarily a
global, a global panic button or global bag defend.
That's fine. Yeah.
So I think you can interpret it either way.
I have some that are personal to my exposures, some where I'm
just kind of throwing out my exposures in the offseason and
just talking through what I saw this past week.
So we will, we will get to it. Let's dive in right away here,
starting with the victory lapping player Davis.
I'll give you the floor first. Who was the player that you
think should be moving significantly up in rest of
season rankings? So I'm actually not going to
take the, I'm not going to take the easy way out here.
I'm I'm not going to do worthy. I'm not going to do rushy Rice.
I actually think it's Devin a chain.
I I think a chain is the one where a chain, I mean, clearly I
think should have been going ahead of Jameer Gibbs and you
know, pending the results that we see with breeze Ike right now
re draft league with your buddies, a chain or any of the
back end of the first round wide receivers.
It's like it's like you are you are running to click accept
before they change their mind about the back end of the first
wide receivers. He ran 1515 of his routes.
He ran as a wide receiver or as a a slot player.
Like not in the backfield. 52% of the Dolphin snaps had two
running backs on the field. But I mean the the big the big
one was there on the one yard line.
Devin, a chain gets the one yard touchdown.
If a chain is getting 1 yard touchdowns and getting 7
targets, I mean, he's going to he it it because he's just as
efficient. I mean, I, I saw some of the
boomers on Twitter take today. Oh, he's only Salfino tweeted
this. He's only averaging 4.9 yards
per carry over his last nine games.
Only 4.9. A number that would make Joe
Mixon blush. Joe Mixon would would sacrifice
a family member to get the 4.9 yards per carry a chain.
Considering Mccaffrey's age, I think there there's a fairly
good chance that he actually is just the number one player in
fantasy Mostert left for. I keep seeing this.
Mostert left for two series so I keep seeing this.
Oh Mostert was hurt, that's why. Mostert left for two series, 2 a
chain. Yeah, I think is the biggest
winner. I agree with this take and
curious to get your thought on it.
Pat as the the legendary upside guy, I think that there was some
maybe concern with a chain going to the season where it's like,
oh, he doesn't really have the pass catching thing.
Does he really have the touchdown thinks the goal line
role? But clearly both those
indicators are extremely bullish when you think through your
legendary upside Screener. So just curious, your commentary
maybe specifically on the pass sketching stuff from a chain,
how excited can we be about that from the prior week?
My main feeling is jealousy that Davis got to make this take
because I was also going to say a Chan, I think.
So when I wrote up the legendary scenarios, what jumped out to
me? I always say I'm going to do it
a little earlier every year, but then the summer gets busy and I
and I do it sort of towards the end of August.
But one of the things I like about doing the article is that
it does like make me rethink some things and kind of see
things a little bit differently. And one of the big things that
jumped out to me this season was that a chance path was really
through the receiving game that he was, you know, both live.
And probably the easiest way for him to become a legendary back
was for him to jump to where he's getting 4 plus receptions
per game. And it seemed like they were
pretty interested in him doing that.
And there there wasn't a clear third target there.
And they've been talked up a lot.
As a pass catcher, you often do get players getting talked up as
pass catchers in the offseason. It's kind of a trope.
But second year players is where we actually do see jumps in
receiving usage. And given his explosiveness and
Mcdaniel's creativity, it seemed pretty, pretty plausible.
So to me, him getting was it 7 targets or seven receptions, 7
receptions. Anyway, he, I mean, well, him
getting the usage he got was extremely bullish in the
receiving game and then like he was not efficient as a runner
this past week, which I mean, to me is just kind of hiding.
Like I thought maybe I, you know, you guys wouldn't you
wouldn't have this take like I did because he had -17 rush
yards over expected he had a 33% success rate.
Those are both bad numbers, but we know that, you know, HN is
explosive and will have better days as a runner.
So to me, like the fact that he scored like 23 PPR points, well
not playing. Good.
Well, not even playing that good.
Yeah, well, not playing good. This is what we need.
Like that's the other thing from a legendary running back.
Like we're going to have the huge days, but like not that
this was a floor because that many receptions is never a
floor. But it it is nice that he didn't
even have to play good to have a huge day on the touchdown thing.
I think he got that. My guess is he got that carry
because so they call the play form at the at the.
Three like that is. That's just as bullish.
Well, that that is bullish. And then the fact that they were
like, let him punch it in like he got they didn't review it and
they could have reviewed it and they're like, let me let's just
give him the touchdown and and then he got it like that all
feels, I guess. I think he'll get sniped at the
goal line pretty regularly still, but he's involved is is
kind of my take away my play. Exactly.
I, I think it's like, call it 5050 at the goal line or
something if you want. I, I don't expect HN to have
like a lock on the goal line roll, but they're not subbing
them out intentionally at the goal line either.
So I think that's really, really bullish.
And then, yeah, just clearing up the stat line.
He had 7 targets and seven receptions.
He caught all seven of them. I think like if I was pouring
cold water on this take just to say the other side, I do think
some concerns about the Miami offensive line came to fruition
this past week. They struggled a little bit, but
if that means they're just going to get a chain more involved.
In the screen. Exactly.
Yeah, they're going to use them as an extension of the running
game in the screen game sort of more creative touches than
traditional running back carries.
That's not necessarily a bad thing.
So yeah, this this take, I think all three of us fully endorse
Pat, I know this was yours that you wanted to give.
Did you have another victory lapping take that you wanted to
give a player that you think should be going way up the
rankings after this past week? Yeah, so now I'm going to pivot.
So this isn't actually a player that I was that in on.
So I don't know if I'm victory lap, I'm take take your laps if
you this is like. What I thought of this Pat is
like a victory lap for the listeners, right?
It it doesn't have to be your victory lap.
It's like people who have this guy should be victory lapping if
you want to think about it like that.
OK, OK, well I was. Maybe I'll just switch into a So
the panic button has to be someone who's going lower?
Or can it be someone I'm panicking on for not having
enough of and someone should go lower?
Panic button is someone that should be going way lower.
Way lower. If we drafted again today,
they're going way lower. Yeah.
I'll do, I'll do Saquon Barkley 'cause that he was gonna be my
panic button for me panicking. But Barkley, I think take your
victory laps on him. When I was fading Barkley, which
I very much did, I was basically like, all right, it's not that
he can't have a great season. It's that he's expensive and he
got to he's got to hit this parlay.
He's got to in year 7 recapture efficiency.
He hasn't really had since his rookie year.
He's he's got to hope the tush push is is an absolute joke
without Kelsey, which like, come on, they're going to figure out
how to do that and that won't be a problem.
You know, you know, he's like he's got it.
He's got to get that the, you know, the awesome usage in an
offense that hasn't really incorporated the running back
that way. DeAndre Swift, you know, was not
used a ton as a receiver there. That's kind of his thing.
And and yet he wasn't. So like it's isn't Hertz just
going to push the ball down field and everything?
Like is he really going to be able to be the focal point of
this offense? That doesn't make sense.
So that was kind of the parlay I was betting against.
Looks like parlay's hitting push, push.
They can't even snap it. You know, there was the Kelsey
thing was supposed to be that he was going to be able to like
push forward. They can't even snap the ball to
Hertz. So push, push dead.
You know, Barkley looked awesome.
He had 27 rushers over expected. He had a 50% success rate.
So the efficiency was really nice.
I think one of the the great things for Berkeley is that he
saw stacked boxes just 25% of the time.
You know, like Gus Edwards was at 45.
For comparison, Bijan was at 39. So, you know, if you're if you
were saying, hey, Pat, don't worry about the efficiency, it's
going to be better because he's going to go to the Eagles and
they're not going to be able to account for him.
That looks pretty good. And then they used him a bunch.
You know, he was kind of like the the focal point in some
ways. I mean, not totally the the
receivers and A.J. Brown slot a great game and
everything, but it it looked a little bit more like like a
Saquon offense than I. Really thought it could.
Can I be the the voice of the chasers?
Now? Can I be the voice of the person
who who is freaking out? Saquon Barkley's individual
brilliance has actually never really been the issue.
Like, even when he was, you know, just toiling away in the
minds of Moria in New York, I don't think anyone ever
seriously thought he wasn't a good player.
I think that one week of the tush push not working to the
degree that they thought. I don't really.
Think that they thought. Yeah, but they thought it would
just be as effective that that they basically thought like.
I was. I'm not, I'm not, I, I really,
I'm really, I'm really not sweating it.
And, and I think that this will also continue to be, I think
that this will continue to be relatively speaking, a low
volume offense. The way that Anthony Richardson
just had 40 or the Colts just had 41 pass plays.
I know they played quickly. I know Kellen Moore I like I I
thought the early returns from Kellen Moore were pretty great,
but I think this could end up being more of a even even
considering the three touchdowns he already has.
If Barkley ended with 12 touchdowns, I'm not super
surprised. Again, I think pretty clearly we
were wrong. The the one play being evidence
that we were wrong. DeAndre Swift never would have
gotten that receiving touchdown with Saquon Barkley.
They never would have called that for him.
They never would have called it for gain.
Well, they never would have called it for for whoever that
that is. That usage right there is the
number one like all right, well, we really might be wrong.
That's the point I wanted to to get to.
And again, I just think I can't say that I was taking a ton of
Barkley. I was really skeptical of the
arguments that oh, his yards for route run was terrible the past
couple years. Thus he's a bad receiver.
He's he's a running back that gets used downfield in the
passing game. That's something that jumps out
in his profile that he consistently has a positive A
dot, whereas tons of running backs have negative A dot.
SO I always thought he was a receiving weapon.
Clearly Daniel Jones in New York was not able to unlock that,
even though, you know, Eli Manning clearly was his rookie
year. So I I guess I did see the
upside with Barclays receiving more.
And again, he just had two targets in week 1.
So let's not go crazy and say that that piece was fully
unlocked. But he did have an A dot of 12
on those two receptions, mostly because of that end zone target
that was down the field. But yeah, again, I wish, I wish
I'd drafted more Barkley. I I had a soft fate on him and
he's I agree with Pat that he's a guy that I would be moving up
my rest of season rankings considerably just because of the
tush push element. And the fact that I do think
it's he's not just, you know, a DeAndre Swift, Miles Sanders
level talent. He is a top five running back
talent in the NFL still, even though his efficiency stuff
looked bad the past couple years.
So I think we got to pay attention to that on one of the
best offenses in the NFL with the Eagles.
Yeah, I mean, he, The thing is like in Best Ball he was a lot
cheaper. But in FFPC we're out in Vegas
and he's going at like the 1-2 turn.
You know, he he was going ahead of Gibbs and head of JT and
stuff and that I'm still pretty comfortable fading.
But it's the best Ball stuff where, you know, you could get
them in the late 2nd a decent amount 2-3 turn.
And I was kind of like, that's where I feel like, you know, if
you're getting him there, you're feeling really good.
Got it. Let's move on here to my victory
lap player again, This is this is not a guy that I was fully in
on. He was someone that I really
came around to late in the process the past couple weeks.
It's JK Dobbins. I think we have to be moving
Dobbins way, way up the rankings after this past week.
Look, here's the here's the isn't real quick, isn't it?
He is who we thought he was. Did anyone think Dobbins was
going to play bad? I think dude, I, I dude.
Well, OK. I'm going off the 20 kill.
He's like, yeah, I wasn't sure how much he would play.
Yeah, coming off the torn Achilles, I just had no idea how
he was going to look. There's so many running backs
that come off that injury and do not look like the same player at
all. We we had Cam Akers that season
where he rushed back, came back to the playoffs.
He had like 20 carries for 40 yards in the playoff games.
Like had no bursts at all. Like JK Dobbins still has that
short area burst. I watched all of his rushes from
this past week over the last couple hours.
Yeah, but yeah, his his short area burst looks really good.
Obviously, like on that big run he had, he got caught from
behind. Like his long speed.
I think it's that same issue we saw a couple years ago.
His long speed's not all the way back, but his ability to read a
hole and make a decision and and get like those 510 yard chunk
plays is there. And I don't know, it's just like
at the price that we got him at pick 14150 way, way later than
that earlier in the offseason. I think he's a guy that has to
be moving up to your rankings around 80, 80s and 90s,
something like that. I, I still think there's a
concern. Can he hold up over the full
season? So I'm not going overboard with
this. I.
Mean I, I basically just think we know the answer to that and
the answer is no. I, I think I think the answer to
can JK Dobbins with his mismatch size calves hold up for the
whole season? I, I, I think it's just no, I
just think he. Can't but does he need to like
he already like in in best ball stuff?
I mean, I know we don't want zeros at the end and everything,
but like this dude, I mean, the look, I completely in early
offseason, I completely faded Dobbins because I was like, he's
coming off the torn to kill. He's like, what are we doing?
But then just the reports were like, yeah, he's like very much
a part of their plans and he looks pretty solid.
And so I finally came around and like started taking some of
them. But I often did pair him with
Fidel and like to me like that feels really good like that.
That's a victory lap. You know, I'd be happy to take
if it no doubt. You know, if if Dobbins bridges
me to Videl, like at this, at the price you got Dobbins, he's
not far from already paying off like he might be like a game
from paying off for like what you're really looking for for
those. Picks that that I agree with.
Yeah, that, that's what I'm saying.
Yeah. Go ahead, Davis.
We said that on this program, like we're doing the big board
and we're like, we would rather die than take JK Dobbins and buy
August 1st. We were like, yeah, you just got
to be buying. You got to be buying Dobbins on
the way up right now. Like 0 Edwards, all Dobbins, all
by Dell. Like what I think this is, I
mean, I don't disagree that he should be moving up, but like,
that was kind of what I expected from them in week 1 was for him
to only get like 13 touches but look really good on the ones he
did. Yeah.
I guess we just, I want to give him a little bit more credit,
Like 10 carries for 135 yards is insane according to NFL Next
Gen. Stats.
Plus 10 rush yards over expected per attempt.
Like obviously that's. You know one. 11 big run in
there excuse that for sure, but the other side of this is Gus
Edwards looked Gus Edwards looked really rough 11 carries
for 26 yards. He had no burst.
He had he had no touches where he got over 15 mph.
Dobbins had two he he was negatives and the rush yards
over expected stuff. So I, I think this committee is
kind of going One Direction and that's gonna be.
Phase like phasing out Edwards, bringing on Dobbins, hopefully
Videl a little bit later in the season.
So yeah, I I guess like maybe this is hot, hot Takey, but I
think I would rank Dobbins in in the 80s nineties.
If I was doing rest of season rankings again, I'd have to go
through all that stuff. But that's like in my head, that
seems right about right after that week 1 performance.
All right, let's move on. Let's move on here to the bag
defending takes. Again, this is a player that
maybe the market is panicking on.
They're moving down in the DraftKings best ball
tournaments, which have launched by the way, you can draft on
DraftKings best ball Week 2 to the end of the season, and
there's AD PS for that. So yeah, a player that maybe the
market is panicking on you're not worried about will do
slightly different order here. Give it to Crane first for his
bag defending take. So the what I guess I would just
say upfront is that I think we probably should be bad defending
like a fair amount of things this year this week or like
we're it is noisy. So we are going to we are going
to see a bunch of takes that looks silly in retrospect
because of one game that didn't go perfectly.
We all have very high expectations entering season for
all of our favorite players. I'll say Dowdle.
I'm also going to cheat and throw on someone else in a
second. But yeah, I'll see.
Rico Dowdell, where you've got Ezekiel Elliott in this game
looked absolutely putrid. He had -17 rush yards over
expected and a 10% success rate. So that means he had one
positive attempt because he got 10 attempts.
So one of them went well and the rest were bad.
Now you are going to have issues with Elliott stealing goal line
work and everything. But the fact that the Dallas
Cowboys offense put it on the Browns, who are supposed to have
this elite defense. We you know, how many times did
I have to hear about the, the, the, the vibes.
The Cowboys vibes are off. It's the the worst vibes in the
league the the offensive line is bad.
Now, well they they did find a team with worse vibes.
They did. They did happen to.
Find yeah, they found a team with worse wives, dude, yeah,
that's it. It's a it's a vibe.
Seance it's over. They they got rid of it.
So the I mean, this was very bullish to me for the Cowboys
offense for them, the ability to put up points.
It didn't go through the running game and it often won't go
through the running game. But like Dauda was so cheap and
you're betting and part a big, big part of the bet was that the
the competition was washed. Dalman Cook couldn't get himself
off the practice squad in Week 1, and Ezekiel Elliott looked as
washed as ever. Part of my my case for Elliot is
like being OK was that his access rate was still good last
year. It was not good this past week.
It's only week Week 1. But this was, I think, sneaky
good for Dowdell's ability to mix in some spike weeks
throughout the season, which is pretty sweet.
You know when you're getting him outside the top 100 picks.
Yeah, I'll second that take. And I think just like adding a
small part to it, the part I never got about the Rico Dowdle
haters is that I got him this offseason from an ADP of like
one Ed in the big board to like a peak of 120 at the very end
there. But most of the exposure was
like one 30s, one 40s. If he starts the season in like
a 6040 committee where Zeke is the only impediment, like I
don't get how that's a bad thing.
Like he drafted so many running backs around pick 13140 that do
not have week 1 roles. Tyler Algier, Zach Charbonnet,
like that's like handcuff territory.
So if kind of the worst case for Dowdle is he just looks like the
handcuffed a Zeke week 1. Like, why is that some end of
the world thing? I I don't get the the Rico
Dowdle Fader's victory lapse. So yeah, I'll second Pat's take
there that, you know, maybe if you had a move.
Yeah, go. Ahead, which yes he was you know
for the potential like for a clear cut hand just for a clear
cut handcuff alone. We thought we were getting that
Blake quorum turns out Ronnie Rivers might be involved there.
You know, but like when you get the clear cut handcuff, that
alone is kind of like starts to become interesting around round
10 maybe, you know, round 11. And so the premium you're paying
on just getting the handcuff in Dallas was basically nothing.
And so I mean, he was incredibly cheap.
He was incredibly cheap. Yeah, Davis, anything to add on
Rico Dattle or? I mean it like Zeke getting a
touchdown in a victory and pass blocking well is definitely not
what you want. It's not perfect.
It's, it's, it's it's not, it's not what you want.
I mean, I think that it's this argument is going to sound what
is very similar to what I'm about to say for my bag
defending take. But it's basically that you
still have the player who is more likely to add fantasy
points over expectation versus the player that is going to
score fantasy points below expectation, which is what we
are going to see from Zeke. Zeke Will like, you know, every
game it'll be, oh, he gets, he gets 14 expected points and he
will score 12.3. And maybe Dowdell will only be a
complimentary player or maybe he won't because the offense, I
mean, Jalen Tolbert was like nothing yesterday.
Jake Ferguson is injured. They like, they're not going to
have cakewalks like they will. We're basically maybe the maybe
the maybe the Browns defense is good, but they just were having
to play uphill the whole game because the offense kept putting
them in those holes. There will be spots that the
Cowboys need a little bit more magic basically.
And and Dowdell is much more likely to add that efficiency
than Ezekiel Elliott is. Agreed and.
It's a long season, That's it. People are, you know, Zeke
equals points who never said it would look good.
I thought it looked better than that, honestly.
So that's where you're, you know, the idea.
I guess what I would and I would also push back.
Someone said it was the most expensive of the handcuffs.
I think it's a pretty big difference between a handcuff,
which I would say Tyler Algier is Braylon Allen is right, and a
guy who's in an ambiguous backfield.
And I think maybe this is probably always a big part of
the Dowdle disagreement that we had, you know, as drafters.
But like, to me, this is very clearly much more like a Zach
Moss than a Braylon Allen as far as bets go, or like a Chase
Brown. This is an ambiguous backfield.
It's much similar to Gus Edwards, JJK, Dobbins, you know
those types of bets. So it didn't hit in huge way
Week 1, but Zeke did not solidify the role that I kind of
am not counting on and like very much not counting on him holding
for the full season in a in a true lead back kind of way.
Yeah, and also the the bad vibes in Dallas stuff.
Dak got paid, CD got paid. I think we can maybe move on
from bad vibe season in Dallas I think.
The vibes are better. Yeah, people were far, far
overblowing that situation. I'll move on here to my bag
defending take. This was a guy, again, not a
guy. This was this was not like a
Bang Bank Examiner player for me.
I didn't have 20% plus exposure, but I had a decent bit of tight
end Trey McBride. I checked.
I had 11% of Trey McBride. He's a guy that I'm actually
really excited about after week 1.
He's dropped like 6-7 spots in the DraftKings rest of season
rankings after kind of a quiet week 1 performance.
I think people in general may be panicking a little bit about the
lead tight ends, but I thought his usage looked really good in
week 1. He had really a 30% target share
in in that week. He also was used in both the
short area and got chances for big splash plays deep.
There were two plays after watching his targets for the
past week where Kyler just barely missed him on deep
completions that could have been 30-40 yard plays.
There was a deep crosser where he was open and Kyler missed
him. They tried to hit him on a deep
seam and Kyler under threw him again.
Maybe you could say that that's part of the problem is that
Kyler has never really been a successful passer in getting the
ball down the field. But even that, I think is
slightly bullish for McBride. He's going to be the guy that
gets the easy button stuff underneath along with Greg
Dorch. And yeah, we maybe don't have to
go fully into this side of things, but people I think were
worried about Trey McBride because they saw Marvin Harrison
Junior as a guy that would immediately come in, get a 30%
target share and kind of push him aside.
I think there's enough concern about what we saw in Marvin
Harrison in week one that I think Trey McBride, I feel
better about him being the primary pass catcher in this
offense, at least for a good stretch of the season.
So yeah, if I'm, if I'm buying low on one of these elite tight
ends, Trey McBride is the guy that I'm going after.
He's young, still think he showed a ton of bursts in Week
1. And I'm not overreacting too
much to kind of a weak box box score.
He was like 2 near misses away from just like smashing.
Like he very easily could have been the recipient of the
touchdown on the Kyler scramble drill.
I, I, I've seen this take floating around this morning
that people were like disappointed with how Kyler
played like Kyler like had them in a position to win a road game
against the team that is third in the odds to win the Super
Bowl and like scrambled pretty well.
Like played pretty effectively. I, I guess you could be, you
could be fairly upset that they, they didn't get the win in the
end. But yeah, I, I, if you could get
McBride in any of your home leagues or I mean, even die if
there's a Bilo window in dynasty right now, like like this is a,
this is a great, this is a great time to, to be selling picks to
2025 picks because everyone's watching these college games and
Ashton Gene T is on pace for like 9,000,000 yards and things
like that. I, I would be trying to acquire
McBride and, and to be honest, the, the Marv stuff is like,
that's just going to, that's just going to take care of
itself. Like Greg Dorch is probably a
better and more professional wide receiver than him at this
point. But as Greg Dorch's biggest fan,
you you can't build the whole plane out of Greg Dorch throws.
Pat Any. Yeah, I mean Harrison not
hitting the ground running. I think Harrison not hitting the
ground running is is good for him.
I you know, I think that for bag defending Harrison, that would
also make sense where, you know, although he was very heralded, I
expected his debut to be better. He's a rookie wide receiver and
so we shouldn't judge his career off of one game or even his
rookie season off of his first game.
So I do think that McBride probably does face headwinds
from Harrison at some point. But certainly this is bullish
that that Harrison wasn't immediately like the key to the
offense that they're, you know, the engine of the offense.
Yeah, I'd also just encourage Hayden Winks in his not, not his
main Twitter account. I think he has one called Winks
tape. He did an interesting cut up of
Marvin Harrison's routes from week one.
Just just some some weird stuff going on there.
I'm I'm definitely not overreacting to that too much.
I still think Marvin Harrison's going to have a good season, but
it was it wasn't ugly to debut. It's fair to say that it was a
pretty, pretty bad debut for Marvin Harrison.
So it's just something worth noting, something to keep track
of. Davis, I'll give it to you for
your bag defending player. Yeah, I mean, look, I think
people probably want me to be like, oh, Chase Brown, He's
going zero. He he doesn't have a role.
That really was not my perception of the game.
He actually played on more of the passing downs than I thought
he would. Now like the obvious pass
blocking spots. Zac Moss came in, but it seemed
like they made a real seemed like they made a real effort to
get him the ball as a receiver. I mean, I think you probably
would have, you probably would have preferred for him there for
Zach Moss to not be efficient with the one goal line touch
that he did. But it's also like, you know, I
I'm familiar with Zach Moss's work.
Like, I think Zach Moss is a perfectly competent NFL running
back, but he's not very similar to how Pat feels about Zeke.
Like, Moss is not going to be the straw that stirs the drink
and all. I mean, does Chase Brown have
the greatest vision in the world?
Obviously not. There was one run where he could
have cut it to the outside and he had a bunch of space and he
did not do that. It was sort of Trent Richardsony
where he just went right into the right in the line.
And I mean, also like we were making fun of the Browns for
having bad vibes. The Bengals, I guess the Bengals
don't have they like their quarterback, like their
quarterback is like a a person that people like.
But I mean, the shit, I'm going to forget the name of the guy.
Someone just posted a podcast this morning that Joe Goodberry
was doing quotes from where it was someone who was in the camp
with like talking to Jamar Chase's camp.
And Jamar Chase's camp was like, this shit sucks, dude.
Like he's having a bad time. He would like to get paid.
The Bengals basically don't have the cash on hand to pay him.
Everyone kind of knows that. So it just sucks.
Like it the the the it's it's bad.
Davis, I have I have a question for you.
Are you doing the the the wind horse meme with the T Higgins
hamstring injury at all? Like do you think?
Oh. Do you think there's anything
there? No, no.
I'm saying that like you look at all the wide receivers.
It all fell apart without them, Sam.
It fell apart without them. That's that's very curious.
But the angle I was going with is that literally all the wide
receivers in Higgins and Chase's draft class have gotten the bag.
Ayuk, Amanra, Jefferson, Devonta Smith, Nico Collin, you can name
any good wide receiver. Even even Jerry Judy got a bag
from that draft class and these two guys are way better.
He wasn't in that. Draft.
He was not in Higgins draft. Class.
He was in the draft class after that, no.
The Chase draft class. He was in the draft class after.
OK, what? Sorry.
Are we talking? But here are we talking chased.
My point is both both of their draft classes, every good wide
receiver in both of their draft classes have gotten paid.
They are literally the two guys that have not gotten paid.
So it, it must just like the point Davis is saying it must
just suck for them knowing that they're good enough to get this
$80 million guaranteed contract and the Bengals are too cheap to
pay it like that. That must just suck for them
going out every game knowing if they tear their Achilles, tear
their ACL, they're not financially protected,
protected. So I am, I don't know.
I'm, I'm still giving the Bengals the benefit of the doubt
a little bit, you know, compared to some other disastrous week 1
performances from like the Browns, for example.
Like I do think the Bengals will figure this out, but man, it, it
does. It does suck for these two top
wide receivers to not have the. Financial security that they
deserve so like Windhor, the windhorse meme would be like I
think T Higgins hamstring probably was hurt, but was it
really hurt or was it hurt? You know, so it's like I and,
and can you blame him like to? Your point?
No, can't blame him at all. If your if your hamstring is
injured and you could probably play, but it would be pushing it
and you'd you'd maybe be suffering a compensation injury,
why would you play? Yeah, that that's, that's The
thing is that I'm just worried that both of these guys, like
are they going to be fighting to get back on the field if they're
banged up, knowing their their situation?
I mean, Chase chase played well. Chase was like the only Bengal
who like looked like, I mean all like Yoshi boss pretty miscast
as like, I mean, he he literally had a 100% snap and route share
like which is not really that fair to Yoshi boss.
And also watching that offense. If I could sell my Jermaine
Burton teams, if I could sell any Jermaine Burton share that I
had for $0.05 on the dollar. Like Jermaine Burton couldn't
get on the field with Charlie Jones and Trent Erwin running
routes and they're they're losing at home to the Patriots.
Like my God dude, how much do the coaches hate him?
Yeah, he he's not going back. It's over, I think I mean like
the the reports are really bad on like his, you know, he's not
doing what he's supposed to do off the field and stuff.
He's got to just be a Dick. Yeah.
Going back to the the Chase Brown side of things, Pat, any,
any notes that on the on the Brown Moss split you're with
Davis that we shouldn't be reacting too much negatively for
Brown here? I mean, I'm definitely probably
a little more concerned than Davis just because I thought
Zach Moss looked good and he looked like he was like cutting
the ball up field quickly, you know, like he was doing.
If I'm concerned about Chase Brown, it's that it's that he's
kind of this like home run hitting back, but to a fault.
And you have you're sharing a backfield.
That is true. Yeah, I'm sharing a backfield
with a guy who just like, gets the job done.
And Moss, you know, I thought looked pretty good.
He he had a 67% success rate per NFL Next Gen.
Brown was actually at 67% too. So maybe, maybe ultimately, you
know, it's not a big deal, but like Moss got more work.
He got 9 carries, Brown got three and he looked pretty
effective and kind of did his job.
So I think I, I'm definitely a little more concerned one
because like Moss looked pretty good, not amazing, but like,
like, you know, we thought he might and then the offense
looked so discombobulated and like, when does this end?
Like this is a, I guess we're just like not used to this.
You know, this isn't supposed to happen.
We're this is a league with parody.
This is a league, you know, where they like actually share
the money and stuff and and all of these franchises have the
ability to compete. Like the Bengals did this to
themselves. There's such a like, this is not
a league. We're supposed to have stuff
like this. I'm they need that private
equity a. Little bit.
Worried. Yeah, this this man.
They voted against it. They were.
They were the one. They were the one team that
voted against the private equity.
Yeah, I mean it. It's.
Like they know, They know if private equity comes in like
they're toast, they're not going to have to.
Yeah, they're. The first, they're the first
target for sure. It's like you guys can't figure
out how to play, how to pay Jamar Chase and D Higgins.
We we could probably just do that.
But yeah, I am giving the Bengals a little bit of the
benefit of the doubt. It's been like three years in a
row where the Bengals come into Week 1 and look like dog shit
and figure out a way to turn it around.
Yeah, so I I am not like full blown panicking on them, but
it's definitely worth monitoring how bad they looked.
Also worth saying Patriots defense is going to be like a
top five defense. So again, maybe, maybe it wasn't
the best. Sell for that.
We'll see. We we, we I don't know.
We'll, we'll see. I I, I suspect, I suspect much
of that game was about the borough, the Bengals having a
shitty game plan. Just like general unhappiness,
general unpreparedness, general general Bengals bullshit.
As opposed to the Patriots playing super well.
Got it. That's the part that would
probably concern me the most. Like from a bag defending
perspective, Chase Brown's still going to hit some big plays.
So I I am I. Think so that so that all would.
Him makes sense. Let's.
Let's do this to close out this conversation.
Imagine ADP doesn't exist. You have one team.
Your choice is Zach Moss or Chase Brown.
Got to be Moss. It's got to it's got to be, it's
got to be Moss. It's got to be Moss.
Right now it's Moss. It's Moss Head.
Yeah, OK, yeah, got it. All right, let's move on here to
the panic button player. I'll I'll go first here again.
This is a player that you think should be going way down the
rankings after week 1. Again, I I didn't have exposure
to this player, but the one guy I would move down the most in
like a best best ball style format after week 1 is Kirk
Cousins. Man it I I watched that Falcon
Steelers game. I get the Steelers defense is
likely to be one of the better units of the league.
Their online was getting beat up, but something does not look
right with Kirk Cousins leg. He he was just not able to plant
on his throws and drive the ball down the field when he tried to
do so. There's a couple passes where he
skipped the ball like 5-6 feet in front of the receiver a
couple times where his accuracy was just way off.
I, I kind of, you know, Kirk Cousins, he's never been a
mobile guy, but he's always been someone who's been able to like
maneuver in the pocket, have confidence and sling the ball.
He looked kind of timid in that game, did not.
Luckily, he had very much strength.
I am putting a little frankly, like maybe it's conspiracy
theory season. I'm putting a little bit more
weight into now the Pennex getting benched after like 10
snacks. Oh my gosh, yeah, you you have
to. Yeah.
I mean, how about the Pennex pick in general?
How about they they sign Cousins to this contract, they get him
in the building and they're like, oh shit, dude.
Yeah, so again, I, I let's start with the Cousins part of the
conversation first. We can get to the pass catchers,
but I'll kick it to you first. Davis, do you agree that it's
it's panic button time for Kirk Cousins?
Yeah, I mean, look, if we were redrafting a new contest on
Underdog today, I would move him down to the Bonex.
Drake may like not anticipating getting 17 games out of him, and
I would. I mean, I was not a London guy
anyways, because much like you, I'm a gentleman of distinction
who took Nicole Collins over him.
But London would now be a Devante.
You were Adams was wide receiver 16, wide receiver 17 right about
there. I I would move London all the
way down there in my redrapped rankings, weirdly enough, I I
would completely leave Pitts where he was.
Pitts 100% of routes. It's all I ever it's all I ever
wanted from him. In fact, I would maybe even move
Pitts. Yeah.
I know Pitts might actually go up.
Yeah. Do you agree with that Pat on
the cousin side of things that he should be are are you because
I I think I agree with Davis. Like I think I'm moving him down
to like one 70s as opposed to one 20s one 30s maybe even
later, to be honest, but possum overreacting.
What do you think? Well, there, you know, in the
back of my mind, during draft season, it was always like, how
safe is he for Week 17? Like what if they missed the
playoffs? Are we getting we're getting a
Pennex audition, you know, and that always felt a little bit
like cowardly because it's like, look, man, like he's such an
upgrade on Ritter. They're going to be such an
upgrade on Arthur Smith. Like, you know, it's a weak
division. Like it'll be fine.
Like don't, don't get overly caught up in kind of these tail
scenarios. It don't feel so tail anymore.
You know, this is this is it's kind of easier to imagine them
checking out Michael Pennix at the end of the season.
And that is just such just an absolute disaster for best ball
teams because, you know, we we might only have one other
quarterback right on these teams.
Like if you if your quarterback gets benched and a guy like
Cousins, it's like for what, you know, what was the upside?
And then you're taking on this dude who got benched like so
easily replaceable with guys going around him.
You know, like, what's really difference between like him and
Goff or him and you know, Rodgers or him and Stafford?
You know, these guys are like definitely weren't going to get
benched. It just, you know, that little
voice maybe should have been a little louder after after
watching this game. Now that I have the hindsight
bias, so it it's a he's a little easier for me to panic on for
that reason. It's like the bottom could
actually fall out from a best ball perspective.
Yeah. The one other note I'll add on
Cousins, this is from Mark Raymondi.
I apologize, Mark, if I'm pronouncing.
Your name on the. Yeah, he he's a Falcons beat
reporter. That that was one thing, a lack
of play action. The other really weird thing for
a supposedly, you know, Shanahan style offense, they ran one
offensive play with Kirk Cousins under center.
The rest was out of pistol and shotgun pistol, a pretty weird
formation to use for your based offense.
I think that's maybe because they don't have faith in Cousins
taking a snap under center and like running out to hand the
ball off to the running back or I don't know.
But it it was a lot of weird pistol stuff tosses the Bijan
keeping cousins like really statuesque in the pocket.
So that that's an alarm bell data point for me.
They don't even have the faith to have him under center.
Just just kind of weird stuff in Atlanta as far as the pass
catchers go. We we can have that
conversation. I think the the presence of
Tenex is a pretty good backstop for for Pitts and London.
I don't want to have a ton of takeaways after this past week.
In terms of the past catchers, it really wasn't.
I never. Thought I never thought London
was good, so that's easy for me to just update my priors and be
like, well I'm not a London guy so yeah.
Yeah as far as Cousins is in there, I think it's gonna be
like PPR scam season for Bijon. Tons of dump offs and screens.
Like. Think think Big Ben to Naji
Harris. Remember when Big Ben targeted
Naji Harris like 16 times in the game?
I think, I think we'll. See, they built, they built the
whole plane out of Bijon Robinson.
The whole thing is it's all Bijon.
Yeah. And the last thing I'll say, I
know you guys I gotta, I gotta get a little pits butt in there
100% route rate. That's good.
The targets not good. The three targets is crazy.
No 3. Targets is not.
This is this is I. I'm not here and I'm not here.
No, all all. What I'll say on Pitts is
everyone's saying they're going to get Pitts involved in the
short area of the field. He's going to get the easy
button stuff. Kyle Pitts is not good at the
easy button stuff. He's not a guy you want catching
a pass and running after the catch.
He's actually not good at that. He's not get it running after
the catch. There's.
No way you could say that. He's like the worst yak tight
end like in the data. All of his stats are like
they're Desmond Ritter, Marcus Mariota.
Like I think the fact that he ran 100% of routes as a tight
end, as a tight end, like think of like Sam, like they're coming
in with a new system. They're coming in and you know,
like we don't really know how they actually feel about Pitts.
Obviously gonna they're gonna say nice things, but he hasn't
been that great over the last couple years.
Like his stats haven't been good.
He had the really good rookie year and then it's it's not been
so great since The fact that they had him run around on 100%
of drop backs is like kind of insanely bullish from The Who
they think he could be in their offense perspective.
Now you're right, like maybe he just isn't good that like we, we
don't have much more evidence of that, but it's going to be thin
because it's one week. So it's going to be hard for us
to take too much away of like, is he actually, you know, better
or worse than we thought? But we can get a pretty good
sense of what his role in the offense is going to be.
I mean Titans just don't really get used like this.
Yeah, again, I, I, I had a really that long DM conversation
with Leonie last night. He got.
Really. Yeah.
And Leonie is. And Leonie is right, dude.
Let me be clear that I I don't think 100% route participation
is bad. I just don't think 33 targets
when Ray Ray McLeod had like 7 is good.
So but. Your bar's a little high isn't
it? Like if he got, if he got 5
targets on 100% round participation, we'd be like, he
should have been a second round pick.
If he got 7 targets, he'd be like he should have been the
first round pick. Why were you even?
Why was there even a discussion about who the tight end 1 was
like we would be? You're basically you're setting
the bar at just below levels where we would go nuts.
Seriously. With 100% round participation,
if he had 7 targets we would be going nuts.
Who? Who is the Falcons?
Like back up tight end? Like who?
Who is the guy they're supposed to be using over him?
I don't. We learn names all the time.
We learn names constantly. Is it still Charlie Warner?
I actually already knew that name.
That's a name already know. I don't know, man.
I, I, I guess here's the thing. I think there was a version of
this offense where they found a way.
People were saying stuff like they're going to use Kyle Pitts
in like the puka Nakua role in the Rams offense.
Like tons of pre snap motion scheming up on, on tons of
crossers and stuff underneath. I didn't see the in the ram.
I mean the, the Falcons in week 1.
I didn't see them going out there and being like, yeah, Kyle
Pitts is one of the focal points of our offense.
And I thought that was part of the thesis of of him having good
seasons. He.
Did he was one of the focal points?
He was out there. Like this is this is peak, this
is peak ADP chasing right now. It's just like. 100% of route
like you can find guys who run 100% of route like Alec Pierce
ran 100% of routes in like all the games last year.
He's a wide receiver. If Alec Pierce had tight end
eligibility he would be fucking sick.
Kate Alec Pierce, Kate Aughton. He just caught a.
Couple long touch kills. Kate Aughton and Colby Parkinson
are gonna be running 8090% of the routes I.
Mean and Colby Parkinson is one of the biggest.
Like he'd be like the Titan he's in.
A big draft, yeah, but would you draft Colby Parkinson in the
sixth round over George Kittle and Brock Bowers?
Kilby Parkinson is not as good as Kyle is.
Dude, your, your argument really falls apart because Drake London
had three targets like Darnell Mooney had three targets.
They, they gave Ray Ray McLeod 6 targets like the offense wasn't
functioning like we were expecting it to.
And as you pointed out, it's largely because Kirk Cousins
looked really bad. So from the Cousins is, is, you
know, having trouble coming back from this Achilles tear.
Uh oh perspective. I am not pushing back.
That is concerning. But from like somehow this isn't
reflective of them use utilizing pits as a big part of their
offense because they only had three targets when he tied with
Drake London and Darnell Mooney, the other two guys we would
expect to be a big part of their offense.
It just, it's a stretch. It's like, I don't know, it
almost seems like you didn't like Kyle Pitts in the 1st place
and you're interpreting through it that.
You're letting you're letting in 2019.
You're letting your 2019 Debbie takes impact your 2025.
That's what people are doing with Kyle Pitts.
Come on, man, Come on. Like we, we.
The the ski targets is everyone else Like why is it bad for him
because Drake? When is Drake London not
actually a part of this offense? Is Drake Drake actually the
third wide receiver? Cause 'cause he didn't get more
targets than Darnell Mooney, he got Drake.
Lennon had half the target of Ray Ray McCloud.
Is he basically a wide receiver 4IN his own team?
I'm just asking questions. OK, but but Drake London didn't
get you know out produced by Jonny Smith last year.
Drake London was actually good last year.
Like don't, don't we have? Drake Drake London was not
actually good last year. He wasn't.
Compared to compared to Kyle Pitts, he was actually really
good. And also I don't know, man, it's
he, he, we, we have two years, two years of data on Kyle Pitts
not being that good before this year.
So I don't know, let's move on here to panic button player for
Davis. Dantavian Wicks because just
like there's no foreseeable way for him to pay off now with
Jordan love injured like it's it's completely done and dusted
and over It's just not happening.
He's a he's a drop you you can just completely move on from
that guy. He he would go down a lot, a lot
of spots at wide receiver and any any Bears wide receiver,
just like Bears wide receiver takes in general because Caleb
did not hit the ground running. But like I, I truly in my heart
of hearts believed Caleb was coming out 260 passing yards,
65% completion. Just like kind of like really
competently looking not at this panic button is like, not like
I'm sending them to 0 you. Just took mine.
You took mine because you did two?
Yeah, sorry. I was going to do the bears.
You can do the bears, do the bears do the bears.
All right, because I was actually going to take it from
the the wide receivers perspective where like I think
it was on sickos. We did like a aren't you worried
episode and I didn't aren't you worried on the bears?
Like where we we know that these rookie wide receiver or these
rookie quarterbacks don't really support weapons at a high rate,
but we just saw with Stroud and we, you know, Caleb's going to
be this same prospect. He's going to be awesome right
away. And so, in fact, what we should
do is take three of his wide receivers in the top 65 picks.
That's that's definitely going to work and didn't work this
this past week. DJ Moore led the group with 1.16
yards per hour on Keenan Allen, 1.12.
No one told me that the fat Keenan thing was about his
ability to get his hands up. I didn't realize that was the
problem. Roma Doonsday, 0.39 yards per
hour. I only had one reception on
three targets. Obviously they'll have better
days, but it did. You know, you look at the EPA
per play and Caleb Williams was really, really bad.
The only quarterbacks worse in EPA per plays, like tied with
Cousins. And then the guys worse were
Bryce Young, Will Levis Bonex, Daniel Jones and Deshaun Watson.
So it was definitely like, was it a concerning debut from will
Caleb Williams be a good NFL quarterback?
Not really. Was it a concerning debut from a
we drafted his weapons like he was immediately going to be
awesome. Yeah, it was a little
concerning. Yeah, I I think I would give
Caleb and the weapons a little bit more time.
One one note, there is. Of course I'm not.
I'm not. I didn't mean to send that to 0,
but this panic meter is about I'm very financially and all of
these players, yeah, relative panic.
Yeah, me too. Yeah, yeah, not so much more
'cause he was the most expensive, but.
Yeah, I I think that, yeah, I don't know, I'm going to give
Caleb a couple weeks before I have any sweeping judgements on
him, but I definitely agree it was concerning.
The Shane Waldron stuff is starting to creep up in my mind
more and more knowing that he's in charge there and after we saw
what happened in Seattle last year.
So that that one definitely makes sense to me.
Worth noting, Keenan Allen suffered a hamstring or foot
injury. I don't know if it was actually
disclosed what the injury was at the end of the game, Was it?
OK, so that was the same injury he had coming into the game.
So that's something worth noting.
It could get really concentrated to a Doonese and.
That would help if he's. Out, yeah, it would help if he's
out and they. Yeah, the other other note I
wanted to add, I think it was Jacob Gibbs on Twitter did he
showed the wide receivers that had the most pre snap motion
routes ran for them. It was Keenan Allen, which
strikes me as a little bit weird to make him the focal point of
the motion stuff over someone like DJ Moore.
So I wonder if that shifts a little bit this next week,
especially obviously if Keenan's out.
But yeah, Keenan. Keenan was not particularly
efficient out there even though he got peppered with targets.
OK, so that was both you and Pat's take Davis.
Or did someone want to give one more or we?
Well I just said I mean Wix is like send send every Packer but
Jaden Reed to like absolute not startable in 12 team league 0
until Jordan Love gets back. Yeah, this is a good point from
Nathan Roof. The the pre stop motion for
Keenan was just to to get his weight down.
They're just trying. To DJ they they asked DJ more
about Keenan. They asked DJ more about Keenan
after the game and they said. They said.
They said he's fine. He's just old, they say.
Just an old guy. Oh my God, dude, what is OK?
The the the last rant I have about Waldron using Gerald
Everett as a feature tight end over Cole Comet is going to be
one of the most donkey bro. I'm not saying yeah, I'm not
saying Comet's like some amazing guy.
I'm not like a huge Cole Comet guy, but Cole Comet is way
better at football than Gerald Everett.
This. This is just nepotism from Shane
Waldron having Everett back in Seattle, I think.
But that that to me is inexcusable.
What is Gerald Everett doing out in the field so much?
Doesn't make any sense to me. Well, you also like with these
coaches you want to see, you know this guy failed, right?
Last year, it was bad. It was bad.
And what did you learn? You know, nothing.
Oh, nothing. You, you come in and and
immediately you're like, I'm going to take this guy who if I
sat down and watch the tape and and looked at the stats, would
realize is much better than Gerald Everett.
And I'm just going to do what's more pumpy for me and play
Gerald Everett over this guy 'cause I like 'cause he knows my
system or whatever. It's about as big a red flag on
a coach I think is is you're going to get is, you know, and
then in addition to the offense looking bad, it and we knew
Waldron, like none of us liked Waldron or like it doesn't
matter, hopefully because Caleb's going to be awesome.
But it kind of, it reminds me of the Kirk Cousins thing a little
bit where they're like, they're actually were some red flags,
but we ignored the red flags, you know, understandably because
there was a lot of upside and all of a sudden the red flags
look a little redder. Yeah, the put the whole bears
coaching staff on watch for first coach fired this season at
this stuff continues. Just not saying it's definitely
gonna happen, but they're they're on my watch list after
that week 1 performance. I guess they did get a win so
that that helps. All right, guys.
That was it for this week on victory lapping and bag
defending in season, ADP chasing whatever we are calling.
Now who's your one for the panic button?
It was. Kirk Cousins.
Oh, Cousins. Cousins.
Yeah, right. OK.
OK, the other one, I would say, if I was giving a second, I
mean, this one is this so. So obviously you don't even need
to say it. Deshaun Watson.
I mean, come on, man. Oh, yeah.
Like. Christ Young was the other.
David Kitchen is having to trim the Dairy Queen budget right
now. Yeah, now the I'm.
A little bit banking about Dante Johnson.
Dante Dante Johnson is it's a tough one, like the whole like
they passed a bunch, they trailed the whole time and.
Like wait, Green, I thought you were.
Fitting. Still didn't happen.
You. You drafted.
No, I'm concerned. I drafted Deonte Johnson.
Yeah, Sanderson. And Gretsch they.
They got me on him. Every Panthers player is at
absolute 0. Jonathan Brooks 0, Leggett 0.
Adam Thielen 00 Like you project for zero points that you line up
on Yahoo 00. Yeah, let me ask you, is it bad?
Is it bad if the guy took in the sixth round is getting out
targeted by Jonathan Mingo? Is that good or bad?
Now we got to, you got to give him more than one week.
Like, you know, Kyle Pitts only had three targets Week 1.
You got to give him some time to bounce back, you know?
I know I Bryce Young's bad guys. Yeah, yeah, he's, he's, he's the
worst quarterback in football, 32 out of 32.
And and Andy Dalton would be better than him right now.
Yeah, it's his that's. Andy Dalton would definitely be
better. I I think with, with Young, the
thing I've been kind of digging around on some quarterback stats
and stuff like his time to throw is so long, but like he doesn't,
it's like he it's the Zach Wilson.
I think he's got the Zach Wilson disease where like he takes so
long to make a decision and then that decision is an
interception. Like that's just it's the worst
possible combo. Like you at least if you're
going to be bad, you at least need to be like getting the ball
out on time. That's where I mean, Dalton
would be much better. Honestly, I think Deon Deonte,
maybe we shouldn't be worried. Maybe it's actually good for
Deonte because Young is going to get bench for Dalton who would
be literally like the perfect quarterback for Deonte.
Oh, can we just, OK, real quick, before we get out of here, I do
need to ask Sam's thought on the fifth round rookie from BYU
impacting the projection for the week one NFL Target leader
Cooper Cup. Yeah, man, I mean, if I could
predict injuries, I obviously would have.
Been on five receptions before Puka got injured on two drives.
Yeah, now the the cup, the cup usage was was really, really
strong. They came out of the gate
clearly wanted to make him a feature point of the offense.
Yeah, the the the puka stuff, I guess if we have time,
everyone's saying that like, oh, we should have known about this.
Which which I think is fair to say there were some injury
concerns. I don't think he looked limited
or Hanford at all in his handful of plays before he got injured.
So. No, he didn't.
He looked good to me so I guess you you can victory lap and say
you know you idiots shouldn't have been drafting puka.
He was already injured. He looks spry and fast to me.
Maybe it is a pain tolerance thing that we should have seen
coming. He got banged up on his knee and
couldn't fight through the pain anymore.
We'll see on that one. Yeah, that that really sucks for
Puka. I will just say the cup stuff.
Cup would have been a good pick even if Puka was healthy.
Now the fact that Puka looks injured is going to make cup
like the ultimate PPR scam of of all time.
So if you draft a cup, obviously.
You're you're saying you. Should feel good about that.
You're saying the guy who does have the record for most PPR
points in a season might actually have been a good
fantasy draft pick? I just want to.
I just want to get this straight.
Yeah, no, that's it. When you put it like that, it
really makes me wonder. No, I mean, here's the thing.
Here's the thing with Cup Davis. Davis trying to make this as
painful as possible. It's insane.
This could be the signal. I hate every player over the age
of 24 like ever. I throw them away immediately
when when me of all people is telling you maybe draft Cooper
Cup? That should have been a pretty
loud. Sign.
I'm just saying are are that's. True.
Honestly, that's that's a really good point.
Are you not worried about cup hitting hitting the target
Cliff? 21 targets in week 1 I mean.
I mean, what, what I, what I, I, I am worried about is, is the,
the offensive, the offensive line.
I mean, as as a, as a cup bag holder, I'm worried about the,
the, the Rams offensive line and just, and just basically the,
they just kind of so the systemic risk it just, I mean,
Kyron did not play well yesterday.
Like it just it it. There's some real systemic risk
overall. Yeah, I think, yeah, I, I will
just say like the the cup stuff, I did a thread on this.
There's there's evidence I said he would be a guy I would take
in PBRPPR redraft leagues because of his upside, not a guy
that I'm targeting in half PPR best ball.
So I, I always like to be honest, this is this is not even
a bit the the upside case with Cooper Cup was really obvious.
It's definitely possible. I was not factoring that in
enough. I do think you had to
acknowledge the volatile downside of of an aging player
coming off a lot of injuries, but clearly the the Pro Cup
people were right. I was wrong.
He. Pro Cooper Cup people did not go
far enough. I think you I think you could
have gotten there with with cup I I don't think it was it was
great process, but you know, you can get there without without
having good process, much like I did with Justin Fields in our
bet. God damn it, Justin.
Field Justin Fields starting and winning that game.
Unbelievable stuff. This is what I was trying.
I was trying to end the show before we got to the the Justin.
Fields I was trying, you guys wouldn't.
Let me do it. You know Justin Fields again,
honest people think I, you know, only see things through my my
own bias. I watched the Fields stuff.
I thought he looked he looked pretty good in week one.
I thought the the connection with Pickens looked pretty
strong. He just was clearly executing
the offense and not trying to do too much.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
And they use them on design runs clearly like that.
That feature of the offense would not exist at all with
Russell Wilson. Yeah, I can see why they would
want to keep him. And so, yeah, I I took a decent
bit of Fields as a third quarterback and best ball like
pick 190 people who took him in the eighth, eighth round on the
big board. I still think that wasn't the
right call, but they. Might get there though.
They might. Get there, they might get there,
they might get there. Here's here's a real question.
Let's say they they win this game.
Fields executes the offense. Arthur Smith and Tomlin, they
have their meeting and they're like, dude, we, we cannot go
back to Russell Wilson. Like it just we we can't look
our guys in the eyes. Everybody had that meeting.
That meeting happened. What?
What what happens with Russ? Did do they cut him?
I don't mean, I don't know. He seemed pretty happy wearing
his shoulder pads and walking. Around when he.
Was out. That was hilarious.
I. Couldn't hate that guy more.
I I don't like, what is the difference between what he did
yesterday and like a kid in a in a Halloween costume like that he
was dressing up as a quarterback like he was out.
He was he, he dressed up. Yeah.
I I think, I mean, obviously there's lots of teams that could
use the 28th best quarterback in football.
So maybe, maybe, maybe he gets cut and maybe they trade him.
Maybe there's a trade, maybe they trade him to the Falcons.
Falcons. Falcons need a quarterback.
Oh God yeah, we'll see. Fields will be tested in a game
where they actually have to need.
A quarterback back where he went to college.
Yeah, the love, the love stuff seems love stuff seems OK.
I think he's going to be all right, Jordan.
Love stuff. Seems like he he dodged the
bullet there. He he's going to miss a month.
Yeah, I don't know. I I heard some optimism it could
be even shorter than that potentially.
Can't you cannot bring Jordan Love just got paid a bazillion
dollars. You can't I the the Chiefs did
the same thing with Mahomes. They they kept him out two games
after he suffered the knee subluxation like they it it they
they did not want to get him back in too quick.
Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.
Two, it was two weeks, right? Like it's.
Not that long and his was not an MCL sprain.
His was the knee subluxation. People people think that he has
the MCL sprain and the knee subluxation both.
Yeah, yeah, we'll, we'll see. I mean, it, it makes Pack
Packers are like completely unusable.
In the meantime, if it's Malik Willis back there.
So I I still think like by week 8, we're not going to be too,
too worried about the Jordan Love stuff.
But I could be could be wrong about that.
All right, guys, you're not making me take any more painful
L's. We're we're getting out of here.
Before you bring up someone else, just let the record show.
I, I could have, I could have talked about Marvin Harrison
Junior. I, I could have talked about
elite tight ends. I didn't rub salt in the moon
there. But Patton Davis did not give me
the same courtesy. That, well, we would have got.
We would. Have gotten look so good either.
I mean what we did all of tight end is a wasteland apparently.
Yeah, if we would have gone into tight end, that would have been
another hour of the show, maybe. Joku was on track for 100 yards
and he got injured. Ferguson got hurt.
Bowers. Bowers cleared the rest of them
pretty. Easily 88 targets I think.
And we got Kittle tonight, who I somehow, sigh, opt everyone into
getting on the non. We didn't we.
No, no, he's on my side. He's on my side of the debate.
I see what you're. Doing all right, Pat.
Yeah, let's, let's get out of here.
I think everyone knows where to find us.
Won't do that whole thing because we got to go.
We'll be back next week. Same time Monday is 1145 Eastern
for some more bag defending and victory lapping.
This is ADP chasing. We'll see you guys next week.