Tonight, Michael Leone joins us to draft a basketball team on FF
PC. Will he have the alpha place for
us? Will he have the olds for us?
Only time will tell it ship chasing time?
Friar homos. Anita hand handjob fix your side
with your Mar and also play Chase.
GM. Everyone, my co-hosts, our
guests are all prima donnas who apparently don't have to show up
when the show starting. I told these guys, I said, look,
the Draft starts at 9:15. The FPC was very nice.
They were able to schedule one of their normal 10:30 slots for
us at 9:15 for this streams purposes.
I said we're going to start the stream at 9:10 you know last
week it was a little chaotic And yet no one listens to me and
they just walk whenever the hell they want until then I've had
the worst technical difficulties today.
I mean if anyone wants to see how bad it got, you can check
out Spike week. I was on with 54 on the best
ball Bros and my camera. Look I literally look like I was
a Oops. They have been animated like to
Pure zombie grey skin who is it was insane.
And I thought I actually got my camera to work again.
So what do you have? Is it Spectrum internet out
there. Now is my computer, wasn't the
internet was the driver for this.
I don't know why but I have this like webcam and the driver just
like, wasn't on my computer anymore and then so I then had
to install a new driver but it's clear like a super outdated one.
It's like barely getting this thing to work, so it was like
really grainy and like the color was way off so I reinstall the
correct one. But like to get it to work, I
had to restart my computer and there's a whole thing.
So that's why I'm like is this big peacock.
It walking you through this. Are you doing this on your own?
This is my personal laptop. I do.
I do have a computer from Big peacock but you know, these,
these corporate computers. They don't want you to download
anything. And so I really don't use it
very often. So this is, this is a Mac.
I will say, you should invest in a PC.
It was last year. In March, I was starting to have
all those lag issues. So, I wanted to blame it on my
internet, I wanted to blame it on stream yard, It ultimately
ended up being my machine. My old desktop Mac was just too
slow to handle everything and then I switched over to the PC
more memory, more power. And and then the problems were
gone. I think that's it.
The Mac is like very I've got like this, you know the touchpad
the little swipe pad thing you know it's like you can do all
the little this is the thing. I mean you guys become a ship
chasing VIP member and use the proceeds to divide that I do.
They look at that. What is this?
Grudge kid, but he did say he
was a game-time call for tonight.
So this is quite quite a way to no-show.
Yeah. We'll see here and who knows?
I haven't checked our group chat is do, we do what Leone's doing?
I don't know this Leone just I mean I read the Leone's writer
you know he wanted green Eminem's only players over the
age of 30 and he wasn't showing up until 9:15 on the dot.
Like a total run time. You see I show up like five
minutes early, to your guys's stuff.
And I'm the only one in the room.
Yeah. Well, this this draft, we try to
show five minutes early and Pete was the only one in the room.
This is the thing, the chat gets absolutely ruthless.
If I even start this stream like a second late.
I said it was going to start at 9:00 10:00 and I was like, these
guys will eat me alive. We love, you know, you've
cultivated a good audience when you're petrified of them with
Lauren because she's like, will reflexively respond to messages,
right away? Like work message, I was like,
Need to have a buffer so people aren't conditioned to think they
can do automatically get a response from you in the city.
I put myself in the same thing with our viewers because I'm
pretty prompt with my streams. It's so if I'm just 30 seconds
like they're like oh this fucking guy is like you don't
know who I was like that with my with my non-fantasy.
Just like if at a certain point this emails getting answered
tomorrow. I'm not.
Yeah, I'm not. It's in the snow.
I'm so bad at that and slack, I'll get a message up.
Like, I'm gonna do that tomorrow then five minutes later.
I'm like, all right. I'll just answer it now.
I need like a much. Worse is worse for like Discord.
DM's and Twitter DM s where it's just like if I open it but don't
respond to it. Then I'm never getting back to
it. Most likely.
Yes. Yes.
Wanted like a couple days later. The mood.
Yeah. I would be great much, which is
entirely my own. Creation and problem.
Well, I've been reading your new sub stack.
Or is it a sub stack or is it a different newsletters?
Just sucks that. Okay.
Stop stack. Yeah, so when you don't respond
to me I just assume you're just in hyper focused work.
No, I do. Like what I say I should do
about 5% of the time, but putting it out there.
Makes me feel like, maybe I'll get that up to 8% with my
goodness. Gretch, how you doing, buddy?
What's up? But 1/12, this is where we were,
you know, last year, the, the road to the repeat starts today,
right? Yeah.
The the discarded started to get very suspicious with me because
do burners been tracking, all of my 101 and 102 exposure for on
stream drafts. And it is truly an unsustainable
conspiracy theory Laden clip. So I movement of like very
relief to get 1/12 today. So happy for you.
It'll be nice for us. Yeah, why don't you do that on
your time? So we do have a know.
We do have the 112 Leone. How many of these FPC 125s have
you done? I've only done one so far.
I've I'm getting dink to do a shitload so I've been answered a
lot of his questions is he's been drafting them.
Oh, are you responsible for that?
He's like, he's literally registered for Like every single
one for like a month, boy. He's like, he's like he's like I
think I want to Max the puppy. I'm like, dude.
Like I mean you could but it's much better Roi on your time.
If you just hit this, this FPC hard.
So he took that to heart what is dinks deal like he was trying to
negotiate Dynasty trades with him.
And I basically just blew him off completely like how does he
have time for all this? I guess MBA is doing.
He's like in his yeah. NBA's The finals.
They don't do that much right now.
He's got a bunch of traveling coming up, so he's kind of like
got this window where You know, you do his girlfriend works a
lot just like he just does our playoff Contest time.
This is like he's got the almost time to eat up warm and so he's
like I'm pouring it into something and he's pouring into
FPC and Dynasty traits. Yeah, I want to see the team
that I did draft. See how gross it is?
How much you guys would hate it? What's this?
Oh yeah. Nobody crosses this out before I
even Take a pic. Actually this team looks like
one you guys might approve up. There are some early running
backs but you might approve of this one but one of them say
Kwan and one of them McCaffrey I had a conversation with bond for
today on his his best ball Bros thing.
And we were I was I was talking about a gross strategy late and
intentionally growth strategy where you in the puppy because
it's all a bunch of sickos in there.
I've taken like Derrick Henry or like, you know, Leonard
fournette or whatever. It's a is like a gross anchor
and then I build around, I build around someone.
I would never otherwise build around it.
Like a yeah as a way to differentiate.
Oh yeah. Like we're set.
We're definitely getting set up to take a gross running back
here. Well I don't want to do it here.
This isn't this? These aren't wide receiver
sickos. I don't want to draft gross
running back on this drive. No, there it is.
It's just like 90% wide receiver sickos in this draft.
Goddamn it? That's it.
I've talked about this, those drafts are hard because like it,
let's say you take the running back.
Now, the sickos just don't stop. So then like at a certain point
you have to stop drafting running backs.
Even if the value is good. And it's this weird thing where
you almost Can't be fully contrary and against the room.
Yeah. I mean I assume in most of these
drafts, what one of atoms are digs is going to be available
for you at the the 12. Yeah, yeah.
And instead we're looking at now if you look at CD right.
Whip CD. Yeah.
What about pizza? Yeah.
I like pets. I bet.
I think we definitely need a wide receiver.
I'm afraid to even mention that I have Waller ahead of pits but
I like CD if we were I mean CDs. It's wide receiver, right?
How can you justify that? Dude, that offense is gonna
throw the ball shit ton and like the actually kind of good
Atlanta's gonna be so bad. Yeah, that's why they're going
to throw it constantly. They're still going to throw
less than Las Vegas. I been a while, then that's
fair. But the target competition could
be, could be abysmal for pits. He could fall Feast, I would,
but I would book pittsburghers first Waller.
I feel pretty good about it that let's fuck it.
Okay, so who are we taking, but I are gonna who cares about
that? Dalvin cook.
I think we take nausea your pits.
I don't want Nagi, I don't want any of those running backs, but
we can take any of them. It's fine.
I don't care. I would take Swift, I would take
Swift as a running back, who's an ex receiver and I would
nausea, I would take it would be the next receiver picks, his
fine puts his fine. I mean, I would take either take
Dalvin here, but It's fine. Let's let your we can control
them. But like if you guys like nausea
better I think nausea and elvenar /.
Y'all. I don't think any of us like
nausea better. Okay, Pat said, nausea and and
said Darwin. So I'm gonna do.
I want Leo, probably do it like get his Alpha play stamp on this
draft and then if the wide receiver Avalanche happens and
we get boxed out that we could just bitch at him.
It's really it's goes the next we blew it.
Guess we could have had him, put Spurs the thing on.
It's and we just shot an eye on still, a banana started doing
some position by position stuff recently, we were just record,
our Titan one's not going to release till next week but I
kind of fell in love with pets on that pot.
So spoiler alert but hits he's going, he's a wide receiver like
a second-year wide receiver that we'd want to Target in the
second round and 1,000-yard season.
You have strong targets per hour on.
He was efficient, he had a strong, a dot but he also was a
tight end. Like you also get they like that
bonus. He's DK Mech appetite and
eligibility, right? Straightway putting it like he's
I would want to draft him over waddle if he was a wide
receiver. I think I mean be close with
waddle like as the next best rookie or second-year receiver
after Chase which is a group we want to bet on.
It's funny you guys just booked a bet on it because I can see
where Waller would maybe when that like 60% of time it's a
very is a classic Leone bet where he's probably going to get
is. Yeah.
That's true. It's very much like he's
probably got some aggressive about it.
Do we could bet a dollar for sport Yeah, saying bad.
I feel like if you want to, but if you want a progressive, bet
it, then you get, then you get the upside there.
If you think that I'm beating you a median, do a dollar per
Point. Okay, Leon.
He's honestly, I've got my money, good, I feel, I feel
pretty good about this one. I think the target.
Sure, competition, stuffs overrated with Las Vegas are
going to throw two, three guys, and only three guys, and they're
going to throw it on and they're actually going to be good, but
they're going to play against an amazing division, that's going
to force them to throw even more.
And see unless they're completely changing the offense,
which maybe they will. I mean, they threw the head of
deep throat is like a big part of that offense.
So you know, healing cold Demarcus Robinson or whatever.
They're going to run a bunch of routes.
So yeah, the Run rally in efficiency right now on
Underdog, then, right? Because Waller's going, what?
15? 16 Picks a fight.
I think so. And like I mean about the atoms,
could get hurt and then wohlers like a, you take them super
early if you do. I mean yeah I like well I'm in
on Las Vegas. We did a lot.
We just kind of read it, our team stuff and we were looking
at it and I do I think they're gonna To be a fun.
Take is that? I think I see.
Sean is calling Derek Carr. This year's Matthew Stafford.
I want to say that was a line in one of his articles.
I remember, I mean, probably, he's been in love with Derek
Carr for like, 3 years, I don't understand it.
I badgering about it all is Janna.
Been really good? I've I was making fun of car to
like that. He had that stretch to end last
year and then start this year and I was like brushing it off
for so long, but I don't know what was I.
So he's in the fact that he's been, he's been efficient.
He's not like some incredible Talent like he's already playing
efficiently and they're already last year.
They passed a decent amount like they, you know.
And now I flicked forgotten the dude's name who was their
interim coach. I thought he did a fine job.
It wasn't like a disastrous offense, that's being saved by
Josh McDaniels. So like it makes it a little bit
hard for me to get excited about them because I don't think we're
starting from. You know, it's not like
McDaniels is taking over the Bears or something.
Yeah, no. I and like I actually have them
throwing basically the same as last year, okay.
Not me. I think there's an upside case
beyond that just given the way it shakes out.
You can see so many shoot it, you can tell yourself a
narrative beyond that but as a base I haven't thrown as much as
last year. I think Atlanta's going to be
like putrid to the point where it's not, you know that good for
anyone. The island is awesome, Pitts.
Pitts has awesome. Like, I mean, one to turn I
would tighten premium. I prefer wallet.
But I mean, what Ben said, there's like just pure at purely
on Talent, like puts a good pick.
I'm not sure Drake one is a great fit for for Mariota, so
like, I do wonder if he kind of emerges as the top option this
year. Piss.
Like truly, they ran 59 plays per game last year.
And they threw like 62 percent of the time or something there.
I don't know, they're just and they're going to be worse this
year. But their defense socks.
The defense is bad. Like there you'd Pat week.
One DFS. I was so pumped to have like in
Atlanta Philly stack and we are getting Mike Davis.
Runs down, 10 with six minutes left.
Yeah that's fair. That's that's totally fair.
They're going to have like a minus 8 password over expected.
I'm with you there. They'll drop they'll try.
They're not going to embrace it. But I mean I feel like the
Falcons are probably a hard team to project, right?
I mean we haven't seen Mariota in a while.
We there's lots of I feel like inputs that are hard to nail
with this team. Yeah, I guess I just assumed
Mariota is going to be bad. Maybe that's not fair but I
think Matt Ryan's probably better than Mariota.
This is a fun one from Sam. I grew here.
Edie, verse Debo debate, seems like one is proven he's way more
talented than the other. Are we overthinking the
situation here? I think that's indicative of
that being like the SEC. The second round is all of these
receivers have some question marks like Liam in deep.
It's like, yeah, I agree that evil super good but you can't
just ignore the the trail and Sedition.
And the fact that he doesn't want to use as a running back
anymore was like basically holding out until they drafted
Terry Davis price and it's seem like that's why he then started
falling about social again and all that.
He's like, oh yeah, we're not going to, he's going to be a
pretty strict receiver. This year is the way I'm reading
that. And with a different
quarterback, that's maybe not as well suited to that, it's still
Debo still Debo but I just don't think any of those guys are.
I think you can pick your poison basically.
Without works is where I was going to go with that.
I think they all have their Wards.
Yeah. I mean, I'm Cheapo starts with d
d. Well, that's funny because I
really expected you guys to be, like, all in on CD, on that
pick. I think he's over price.
I mean, if this wasn't a room where we were worried about the
wide receivers, this is like a typical, FPC room.
I think pits Over CD, you know, yeah, see.
Oh yeah, I like Yeah, I feel like we've got super optimistic
inputs on CD and I love it and I love the ceiling and we still
have them kind of ranked behind ATP overall, like positionally.
We have them in line, but it just kind of there's like five
wide receivers and then there's a little bit and it's the same
thing with Deebo. I would love to just be
hammering CD at the end of the second but that's not.
That's not what. Yeah, the other thing that makes
it hard with CD is I agree that he's probably at an overpriced
but what event is going to push him down, you know, over the
next few months. Like, it's hard to imagine him
getting bigger. no, he's not probably yeah and I mean that
offense runs so many plays and Dax really good, I mean, the
could go really well. It's just He's honestly probably
like appropriately priced because you've got this.
Yeah, this really high upside player.
He hasn't proven it yet but everything's in line were like
they're going to let him prove it.
If he's if he is what they drafted, will know this year or
you know, so that's probably worth like an early second-round
pick. But like, you know, he goes
right at the turn. I don't know.
I think he's like just a little expensive where you have to
think about it, yeah, but he's definitely for me that got the
receiver there. If you're saying like I have to
take a receiver, I think it is him.
Yeah, / Debo. I've been drafting Debo a little
bit more an underdog because I've been getting him late to
and his efficiency just could continue to be so good.
And it's, I know he feels like a full PPR guy, but we actually
have a decent bit better in half.
PPR with the potential Russian stuff and just how absurd is
efficiencies been, how much of the Debo stuff for you is like,
uncertainty about? You know, his status with team
and like if he was, if he was totally cool with the team, they
re-sign him and gave him a long extension.
He's totally happy to see. Enter the conversation with see
at that point or you just don't have them.
I almost think he might be better if you went somewhere
else. So I think I don't think it
would release them. It wouldn't boost them for us
just because he's a guy that potentially could get way more
Target, somewhere else that they're going to be run heavy.
If Using him as running back. I don't know.
Like he's a we have them as a low 20s Target share guy.
When he could definitely be a 25 to 28 percent Target.
Sure Guys Somewhere. So, who could be twenty five,
twenty eight percent sebo diva. CD 2.
But yeah, he's got to take a little bit of a step forward,
but we got a couple hyper fragile teams going here.
Well, we'll see what they do but we'll see how I do.
Yeah. You know I prefer JT Erinn Jones
fournette. I believe that think it's Sam.
It's Sam in the 101 again and then, I believe Muto is Iguanas
there with the Eckler mix and jumpstart her Soho man.
AJ Brown last pretty long. Um, yeah.
Where are you at on Brown? I think Brown should be in the
mix with me. Amin Debo surprise, but I do I
do, I'll, I love Philly so much, dude.
I like, I'm not there with a JB, but I could see it because I
really like Philly, but that's what do we got?
Like DJ more coming up. Is he in the mix here?
Yeah. So, coming up.
James Conner. Briefs Hall.
Pittman, Acres deante Johnson. DJ more It's wet.
Yeah, I was, I was avoiding saying the name to I realized
soon as I said it I was like, oh this is this is like my first.
You need. You just want to take this is
gross. I'm so glad we took CD.
I kind of like Connor here is like we probably
should do it. Connor and Pittman.
I'm good with that. What about Mike Williams are
Mike Williams would be the other wide receiver?
Gross you happy patent. Patent have vetoed that
silently. So that's fine.
No I'm fine with that plan. Okay I like Mike Williams.
I like my son. All right Hunter and big white
first and that yeah. Are we good with Connor as the
other? How this room doesn't seem as
wide receiver heavy as you guys pitched it I don't know.
Well that felt pretty gross just now.
Yeah, that's true. Dude there's just some bad
pocket. The drifts are just harder that
like there's some bad Pockets early this year.
Mike Williams is going ahead of all those guys on Underdog or at
least DJ and Deonte. Yeah.
You guys want I'm cool with Connor.
I do Connery Pittman. Yeah, I think Connor or Pittman
if we think we're going to get running back values, later would
be fine, too, Gretch, Pittman or Connor.
Like we can't do Hawkinson here. Right, let's do Kant.
Let's let's break the tie in favor of FPC, being running back
heavy. Dr. Know I know this is right.
Yeah. No.
Okay. I like Schultz.
I was nice. All right.
See ya, I want to hear Ben's Metcalf take because I'm like I
didn't even have them in the ballpark there.
I haven't done rain, trying to get.
I just thought he was one of the next available by ATP on FF PC.
So, I seem to, I thought it seemed reasonable, but my take
on him generally is that he's kind of a grown-ass man.
So yeah, I mean, I think the Russ, you know, subtraction is a
problem, but if you look at his, like, if you look at his yards
per outrun, as a function of, you know, like the guitarist
problem out in Euros per Target, he was lot, lower in yards per
Target last year, but Large print run were actually like
took that forward. So like you already played
Without Russ, a decent amount and already lost some of that
efficiency that I think people are already are now kind of
baking over baking in a little bit.
And I also think that like he has obviously the physical
profile to sort of get his regardless of the quarterback is
sort of the idea. But if he's going to draw like
25% targets only 25% of routes, which she was close to out of
high a talk like he could just be a volume, dude, that and then
he's physically good enough to Two.
You know, Ma some people they say you don't.
I mean like he like it's it's not good to not have Ross who's
a super accurate t-ball throwing.
Now you have subpar quarterback play like that's a big drop off
but he already was like pouring yards per Target last year and
start a decent year because his ability to earn targets actually
Rose a little bit and what is it drop off his targets.
Dry out, pretty considerably with Gino the.
I'm just concerned with we have Seattle running for more plays
per game. Last year and still dead last by
a play per game. Right?
And I just think it might be actually under valued how
important trust was to this team because like they weren't that
good. So I think it's like people are
gonna be on that totally with you on that and I think they
could just be such I mean that man Elana I guess I think
there's gonna be a couple teams that are just really, really bad
this year. So I'm a little worried.
I don't know when you Have that tweet about the gap between
locket and Metcalf, then to do you think lock.
It is appropriately priced and then Metcalf is just wildly
mispriced or do you think he's a value?
The former I think locket is at a spot where he's fine and I
think my cats, there's no way there should be 23 wide receiver
spots apart though. Like, I definitely would take
Metcalf / locket, but 23 wide receiver spots apart, like the
difference between wide receiver 19 wide receiver. 42 is I mean,
that's that's just they scored the same amount of points, two
years in a row. That's the study.
I'm not as its up on. Did you consider that decays of
beasts and you can fuck a projection?
I like to lean into being a big movie.
Come on, the show lock it had a career-high and yards per hour
and last year and he had, it was like nine targets a game when
four games with Gino, Gino seem to look for him.
So I'm not like super bullish on, lock it, but I do agree.
That Gap is pretty wild. It's funny.
The Narrative though is that Metcalfe was much better with
Gino because he scored touchdowns, he scored five
touchdowns, a four games. Yeah.
But that is not happening. Yeah, that's not gonna happen
but that's that's his profile right?
Like go much like the free score research at motive is all those
years and everything. Like DK is going to be a high
touchdown guy for most of his career.
Yeah. He'll have a high touchdown rate
for the team, but this is a team that could probe are very You
touchdowns I mean he was wide receiver 15 last year.
I guess he played every game. So maybe in points per game, he
was worse. Yeah.
It's why don't you were 26, it's quite a bit worse.
That's about where we're kind of taking him.
My again, my thing is and he had a lot of TVs last year, but his
efficiency was actually good as first two years and then it was
way down last year and so honors were Target.
Yeah, no, no. I was I hit a 25% are / outrun
that's that's awesome. But what about, what about this,
hypothetical? Because I know this rumor still
lingering out there. Historical anomalies asked, if
Baker would change anything for these pass catchers?
Yeah, I think so. I mean, druaga Geno Smith are
way worse than Baker. Mayfield, I think, especially
from an upside standpoint. If there's a chance, Baker still
pretty good. I don't know, maybe I'm giving
him. No, I agree with you.
I mean, he's much too and watch injuries last year.
I think like the the baker's dead NFL Viewpoint is, is like,
kind of weird. Think there is a real excitement
about him. I just touched him on the ship,
my ship chasing Dynasty startup. As my third QB, guys gonna start
again at some point. I mean, oh yeah, it's good cheap
cheap third quarterback. We almost had mr.
Biscay starting for a team machine Baker will get a shot.
We probably will get, you know, Smith, making starts Baker's
gonna start. Yeah, but I mean bigger to
Atlanta's dad, but I'd feel better about him than Mariota to
I think, oh easily. Although I would be fun if
Mariota like goes full run, full dual threat, like he like he
flashed with the Raiders Leone. I think you made great points on
DK Metcalf, I guess part of why I even would look at him there
as I was looking down the list and it's like this does get to
be a pretty weak range of wide receiver.
I mean, I it's interesting and we've talked about it on the
show a lot. Where are you at with?
Like the fourth fifth round relative strength, especially
compared to last year, we were getting Mighty Higgins in this
range. he didn't have a great year and he's going higher now,
it feels like a lot of these wide receivers have Courtland
Sutton is going here. He didn't have a great year he's
going I think higher than last year it's like I feel like this
area of traps is dead zone is usually so water cheaper
friendly. Definitely some question marks
with some of these guys. No 100%.
It's I felt like from the second.
We did ranks for this year that way, but sometimes when you do
it early you're not sure. If, you know, you just don't
aren't attached to players at that'll change over the
offseason, but it really hasn't if anything, it's been
solidified, there's there's some very uncomfortable spots in
drafts early. Where's last year, the three,
four turn. There was never an uncomfortable
spot right at the 3/4 turn. I mean, Cooper, cop locket, you
know, Woods DJ more, Amari Cooper.
But like, I mean, you could pick whichever one you like the most,
but there. I mean, Mike Williams.
I really like. So, I like this offense so much,
and I think he's the big play guy, and we did see stretches
where he was getting targeted as frequently as Keenan Allen,
which if he's anywhere close to the Target as frequently Keenan
Allen. He's probably gonna blow out of
the water. But it's an uncomfortable pick,
like, there's like a pretty legitimate.
Does this Michael Pittman pick to?
Like, I mean, that's an offense that's going to be super.
I mean, Pittman's really good. Maybe, I'm just too but it's
it's not the same as last year. For sure.
We will be going to say about the offense because I'm somewhat
optimistic about the offense, they, they were pretty past
heavy. They were they weren't like a
shell of an offense on First and Ten to start the year.
They generally, I think are well run offense.
I think they're pretty smart coaches and everything.
It feels to me like they, like just packed it in last year,
with Carson Wentz, they're just like, this is, this is not
working in the passing game. We're just writing JT.
Yeah. No, that's fair.
They should be better this year but their past rate, two years
ago is basically the same as their pass rate last year.
I mean, they're going to be, they're going to be run heavy.
It's just a matter of how much and the pace could be a lot
better this year, but I don't know.
Rivers like always runs at a Faster pace.
So I'm not sure their paste last year.
They were, they were this. I looked at like, time left on
the play clock in the first three quarters and kind of like
neutral situations and India was the slowest Pace team in the
entire league. So like that's, they didn't slow
down up. They slow down over the course
of the year, but which, yeah, I think that comes up.
I think once is just such a disaster.
I think that comes up. I don't know, it's that.
It's not horrible, it's just not great either.
Yeah, I mean like there's a comment here from Nazareth who
was a lot of torque competition around Pittman.
I think that's one of the the chief arguments in his favor
from people that aren't like in his Camp.
My thing is like when I'm taking a receiver in the fourth round I
want to tell myself you can be a top-five receiver.
I I don't know. I'm with Leone.
I don't know in this offense if you can I don't know it in his
profile if if they're like he was good last year but I don't
know that he was you know showed that type of ability, I think
he's like, I would rather take him in the fifth or the sixth,
where I feel like, he's, you know, stable pick that, I think
can be, they DP and those types of lot, you know, logic.
But I want to, I want a guy that can blow up in this range and I
just it's hard for me with him that offense.
I got, I got a take on this and I want to, we should probably
make our pic before I launch into a but kind of disappointed,
we didn't get hurt here. That would have been fun.
I know, I was, yeah, it was gonna fall to us there, once he
made it, It passed the plus Lamar's still on the board.
Like gotta get that Herbert hecklers that.
Well there goes one more, goddamn it.
I guess he has a Kohler. Yeah if I mean do it do it with
bro man, get the borough, mixin, the fuck with this year, man.
I can never get them on Underdog.
He's so pricey. Yeah, I don't have much either,
he's pretty expensive. Dad, I already.
I already know who fucking Leon. He's gonna try to talk us into,
so I will say, just from a quarterback standpoint, I mean,
there's no way DAC makes it back to us after this run here.
If we do end up wanting to get some kind of Stack, it was going
to advocate for Kyler but we're not getting that.
Yeah I do it I don't see the accused.
It's hard for me to see like what are what are our options
p.m. yes I like gate Davis. A lot here.
Montgomery down the list but he'll come back, Jacobs Cooks
Juju, Eli Mitchell Bateman. Oh that's who pet scanner.
Doesn't want me out. I'm petrified.
You know what if we took Gabriel Davis and JuJu.
Yeah, I have I do have Juju is like the top guy left.
Yeah. Yeah.
I like Gabriel Davis though. And I like to all right great.
You didn't want. I mean, to to it's been so bad
and I I get it, I get it. I also like other Factor home.
What if he's not bad? It could be good, but I like
hurts a lot to. This is, it is tougher but I
like to go with both of these guys who's keep.
He's already gone. All four of our receivers would
be to understand we have to like how important is it to stack
here. Like we take hurts or know.
I feel like it's pretty early for deck.
I mean I think I think stacking is ultimately going to be very
important in this. I mean it's a 60 bucks.
Let's take Juju because you can do so much with Denver.
Casey without the quarterbacks. Yeah I mean I'm not I'm not
worried about that, I think we'll just we'll probably end up
on a late-round q be built. Yeah, that that's one thing with
the discussion we had I'm definitely taking quarterbacks
earlier more aggressively than I ever have.
I am too. Yeah but I'm not I'm not like
once it gets past Lance. I don't care anymore.
It's just I want and I really like Getting like, even two of
them, two of the top guys. Yeah.
All right. Well kind of dudes.
Need you baby? I love that confidence the next
take. So gross did you pick Juju wide
receiver 28 come on unless he's just absolutely dead which is
possible. There's just I was going to make
the case that there's I do think there's some upside in this this
range and do just one of the guys right there.
Like there's offenses in this range that could be just like
incredibly explosive. Explosive this year.
Obviously the Chiefs the bills but also I think the Broncos and
these Broncos guys, Judy and Sutton like they're hard to
project because you have Tim Patrick there, you've got
handlers going to get routes Alberto like how does how does
the rocket distributor? There's too many guys, too many
mouths to feed but like, I don't know what if they just cut out
one of these dudes? What if they're just like, what
if this offense, they don't want it to be like Ultra distributed
and they are designing it to kind of feature, you know, more
guys, you know. Like they're going to have kind
of like this Green Bay off and the Green Bay offense wasn't
like hyper spread. So I don't know if we're gonna
be able to like exactly get it right but like it does feel to
me like one of Judy or Sutton could just absolutely smash
their ATP. Right?
Like I'm talking Arnold. Yeah, I've been taking them both
pretty aggressively. I'm with you, I like them a lot.
I'll I mean, I've been talking a lot of this given the life
upside on some of the guys that we, you know, mentioned in the
tiered. I guess the running back Dead
Zone, not being as flush with wide receivers in the past.
I do getting these guys that were good at one point in time.
At least with Juju, I know it's not recently.
It's sudden, it's not recently either, but at times have fun,
he's pretty great in that game. He tore his ACL two years ago.
It was pretty good and he want us some money, one weekend in
DFS early, in the season, when Juju or when Judy was out.
But I mean, these quarterback upgrades are, I mean Drew lock
and Drew lock /. Teddy Bridgewater that Russ and
then Big Ben to Mahomes, they're just part of me.
That's like, let's see. Gamble.
I mean if someone's getting drafted in round 2, it's
probably going to be you know, not Terry McLaren.
It's probably going to be Jerry Judy next year.
Yeah. Yeah.
Judy also only ran around like 77% of Dropbox or something
crazy like that last year. Like he has a lot of upsides
just in terms of like being on the field more if you impress
the coaches and training camp like he runs a 90% of the routes
like that alone like 90% of the routes.
Plus R Us like average efficiency for his Depth of
Target. Like he will.
He will smash. I love, we spent all our last FF
PC draft just salivating over the Broncos.
And I'm pretty sure the draft before that is, well now.
And now we're back to getting hyped on the Broncos.
Again. I'll I really like the Broncos.
Yeah, that this was the debate. Last time we were, we were
debating. What were debating?
Like Patrick verse hamler-fugitt was.
Yeah, forsaken. We're having.
Yeah, I much to my, my own detriment I just constantly
ignored him Patrick. Yeah, I'm the only Patrick I was
down here and I hate, I hate it. I don't want.
It is kind of Patrick's been like, in DFS Patrick.
I never play him. He's had some pretty big you
know games he's better was not a real player.
He's so he's ahead of can't hammer on the depth chart, they
paid him, they gave a long contract extension and like he's
been okay, hazrat these featured Tim Patrick on his Instagram, I
respect. They just they just grabbed two
first names, Jim together and wanted you to believe those a
real NFL that shit. That's two kids in a trench
coat. Damn it bad.
Running. There's someone had and I can
agree on to take next if he lasts.
I don't want to say who. Was it dulcich?
It was not us. It was trailing burst.
I should have known better with this group.
Yeah. Yeah.
This build with a JK Dobbins. Hero builds.
They weren't going to let us have John birks.
Yeah. Well they're going to get back
on the way back. Probably, you know, they almost
got burrow to fall to them there to burrow with the the premium
chase t-that's. That one has to sting a little
bit. We got gave Davis suck on that
rust. This this team like if you like
it this draft this does look like a ship chasing Leo.
It's so beautiful. I'm so jealous.
Yeah. Our best teams are when we reach
across the aisle and compromise on a few pics.
Dude. The I know I like running backs
but the Dobbins ATP. Doesn't make a ton of sense to
me. I don't think it makes a ton of
sense. Here, I'm okay with where he's
going and Underdog, because it's just like, he's, he's talented
and he'll have, he's been going to like the 45 turn and Underdog
and we're talking about how these wide receivers aren't as
good. I got a man.
Oh, yeah. Today on Underdog.
Yeah it's awesome. I don't know if he should be a
third-round pick but if he lasts 2 ATP, I think he's very
clearly. Wow.
No rust there. The Judy sudden team goes
Thomas, Hopkins. That is very surprised that is
crazy. I was really that's like just
through things I could kind of see if you started running back
times 3 where maybe you felt like you needed more wide
receivers but Michael Thomas and Hopkins are probably I mean it
their defense he's going to get at least ten games from both of
those guys combined. So thanks Leone gets the Brady
double Okay. That's a that's on brand son,
brand for Leone name. That is that is very on brand.
We definitely have those guys. All its picks where he took them
Evans Godwin in Brady I thought we had a way outside shot of
getting deck now I did until I saw his shorts and knew what he
was doing and that it was like yeah just I I knew that.
And he's got the he's got the trailer brakes.
Bring me. He set that up around earlier.
If he could end up broke though, he wouldn't have been able to do
that. So this is, I know, I know.
Yeah, it all. Who stole burrow you
motherfucker. Oh man.
Because that's a different order than the eye.
Stop the road of his Command Center up which has more current
ATP I believe. Gotcha, That's The Only Name the
couple receivers best receivers or thielen run 400 IU sky.
That is fantastic ATP. Perfectly accurate ATP locket.
Yeah, it will see only, I need you to shut down my time doing
it. Yeah, I mean Leone or not taking
sky at 78. Turn, don't worry noted best
ball grinder. Drew deep mire.
Logs in to the chat tonight. Welcome dink dink took a.
He started with. I think he got somehow like,
fournette Evans and Godwin in a league and a guy who had Herbert
Passed on. Guy who had Herbert took naked
Brady right before dank? Oh my God and Kyler was on the
board. Wow hmm.
So it was just I almost think he did it intentionally just to be
like you don't get yourself and fuck you then worked out like
you know he to Kyler's which you know whatever but we don't
necessarily need the quarterback to still just a quirk out.
What was dancing at my understanding?
Then he was tilting that this guy To complete his Tampa Bay
staff, given that other draft that he did and was unable to
complete his own God. Adam dealing girls in your class
do we just do we just pass the buck on the Tegra?
I do. We all we all had eyes for the
San Francisco. I know the back door, San
Francisco Pete. I hate to tell you, but there's
an obvious move when we gets to us.
Oh, I think I know what it is. I think you do.
If you're that excited. It's called.
Oh yeah. Oh yeah, baby.
I know what I mean. Are you talking Denver?
No, 70 correlation. Is that what you're going to
say? Yes.
I sir am buddy, shrimp. I mean, that's the movie we
already made. We already put down a bed on it.
You want to go? Russ Sky?
Yeah, okay. I thought you're going to say
Zachary. It's because he's the next.
I say that in a teepee. How about how about Rusty?
Eh? That's disgusting.
Take it back. I would definitely take CH of
sky here. Thank you Leona.
I mean yeah, order in this house, eh is CH is literally not
good at anything. It's literally just I mean talk
about a dead zones like a running back.
I always Barking. Davis so hard.
I was in a one of the triflex startups and Davis in our
Dynasty. League.
Basically, went all in on CH is the first pick that year.
I think, wasn't that the JT and burrow class.
Yeah. So this startup I did JT & burro
went like 45 and then ch1 and the 11th round.
It's like it's so I do think taking sky on the juju team is a
little tough because I kind of do think they're both cases.
Has overlap. I'm on board with the russ
angle. I was gonna pitch the Derek.
Carr Hunter, Run, 40 skinny. Oh yeah, we got, I mean, yeah, I
think dude, I think Rusty, uh, what's wrong with this?
Well, if we're going running back, I prefer JJ Dillon, but I
think Skies a way better pick then ch ch is just just isn't
good. I don't but I don't think we
need This is rape you I've got CH 25 spots.
I've got ch2 Rosetta Sky, I think they CH 8 is probably gone
too far like he's there. And that's enough for me to
take. I drove to JJ Dillon, I'd rather
if Mi Sanders, I mean Mi Sanders is decent Breakaway Runner, he
doesn't think Mi Sanders is that much better.
That you would forgo the correlation here, like you
haven't that much further apart like I feel like this is take
lock you I hate CH I think CH should be like a temper on pick.
That's where Sky more should be that at least.
So I guess we're getting close right?
Right chha. Dylan or Mi Sanders?
I think CH for the correlation. I like JJ Dillon a lot ii-i'm
with Leone's comment that I don't think we can like Mi
Sanders that much more than see here.
Do sir roll the CH they literally are no highlights to
play to the goal line and then getting cooked by Jerick
McKinnon. That's his that's his career.
Highlights today, he's been a trophy.
I'm dude Who's Gonna Catch passes?
We could get. But like honestly, honestly,
dude, anybody like anybody they sign like yeah, it's not that
some like you DFA that emerges in training camp like ch ch is
yards per hour. On was .01 better than Ronald
Jones last year. The key has sucked at catching
passes. He just has like I don't I don't
see the I don't really see any Agent based arguments holding
water with ch, it's just like he's there.
He's going to be more trusted than brojo on passing Downs,
which I do agree with that. Do you like Row?
Joe? Is that part of this day?
No, it's not like well I mean I wasn't hungry for Rocha here
like uh bull case is like the Devin Singletary last year and
this is definitely a little bit early for a Devon single
terrible case to. Yeah I agree.
I mean we were taken down Singletary in the 12th 11th 12th
round. But Zack Moss was going through
tax. Loss is going there.
Yeah, yeah. But I mean Zack Moss wasn't
going this high. So you're getting Zach won't
like what you like 10th but the to but the two of them together
we're going it was like 9 and 12 but I didn't regard I just put
like just archetypical e like yeah, I agree with that.
He exists in advance, you're okay and right?
He's the other guys kind of suck and they're just like the
easiest thing is just to leave this dude out there and I don't
think Row Joe has that in this range of outcomes world, Just
not going to just get left out there because that's not the
type of back he is. Yeah, can't play all three down.
So I making a really good case Pat but just with the
correlation of it's like it's a I think your case only lands.
If we're saying we're not taking see agent any like for me it was
like well I don't think I've taken CH and a single draft this
year, so this makes sense. Well, if Sky wasn't available, I
think the correlation pick would have been more appealing to me,
but like, I know, we're talking about Sky.
Juju what I was saying. No will and when Dolphins rolls,
everybody rolls, right? Like we're I mean they're both,
they're both going to be out there together is.
The idea is JuJu's, plate. Jude is going to play in the
slot and skies going to play on the outside.
You would assume. I mean, you don't I don't think
you take Sky more in the second round.
If you think he's purely a slot receiver after you just signed
you to submit Schuester, I mean that would be a really weird
move so they should be able to play together and I mean Sky.
More is a highly productive. Three-year wide receiver
superfish in your spot one. Awesome yards after catch
numbers seems like an ideal fit for the Andy Reid, West Coast
offense, like going to be kind of more like a Jeremy Maclin
type. He's, you know, I don't think
I'll be like hyper explosive butt.
And like, that's a good argument at Pete, Leo, dear, just like
eyes glazed over. Like we get it was skyborn wolf,
okay. But you just are more stuff like
he should not be going at the 70s.
Her and I don't even know why. I mean, we're taking we're
taking Juju who has like been awful the last few years, like
just straight up awful and the whole argument.
Jesus hasn't been any worse than like, deante Johnson on a Target
basis. He's not learning targets, dude,
yards were targeted. In sticky like he but he doesn't
win any Targets. He's always running, right?
Like he's going to be out there and he has the season trigger
finger. If you're running a lot of
routes you're not getting targets.
Like that's like death, that's that's Terrace Marshall like
dude it's like my worst red flag.
You can have he's getting targets.
I mean he's not getting as many as deante Johnson but you're
acting like this dude is not getting any Targets.
I mean There's the yeah, but like a 17 Tarts.
He scored his many fantasy points as deante Johnson two
years ago like Pete as the guy on the ones and twos, I gotta
ask you was rolling the clip again and getting our exposure
for scribe or even higher better, or worse than the
outcome of, not taking sky with no idea.
We can't just play that fucking clip.
Every show there was no way I was gonna let us drop Sky more
also like on the CH Raja thing. I mean what do we always talk
about to like targeting the ambiguous back fields like Last
year, it was the Connor Edmonds thing when they're both
appropriate price, we're getting attached to one of the best
offenses in football. I do not think 100 out of 100
times. Rojo's the better picked and CH
even cost. Adjust it.
Like you want to be getting exposure to CH in this range and
one thing that JJ's a curious and did a lot of research on
which like I'm not always on like this systemic stuff but I
do think we should pay attention to it and it's basically when
you get these ambiguous back fields and this exact range of
the draft And there's two backs going in like rounds 8 through
12. Basically he looked at the back
that goes first has really really strong hit rates
systemically. That's good.
I like that data point. But I look, I agree with that.
I agree with the Devin Singletary, upside case for CH.
I don't think that he is, you know, that he's dead for any
upside. I was seized in a great offense,
I also don't think he should be going behind roads.
I think it's totally fine to take CH ahead of rodeo because
you have that, he consolidates, the backfield upside case, which
is like the best upside case. I mean if you consolidate the
Casey backfield you're going to fucking Crush but I still think
CH is probably around and a half, overpriced, I mean,
compared to the, the Zack Moss pick like if he was like in the
early ninth, Okay. That feels a lot better to me
that feels okay, but it's so we're like for the correlation
where you're going to nitpick one run, I might have
correlated. My other case was a wide
receiver. Who's I mean, if we're playing,
if we're playing Denver Casey in week 17, Are we playing for
passing like we're playing for a shootout like soup?
Or least it would be better, right?
Zoning in like one very hyper specific outcome.
Like, no, it's not always what's what?
Like embedding in the Chiefs for the whole season.
Like I'm Arguing for another Chief, dude.
I mean, like, I think it's weird to be like I guess I just like,
I mean, my stuff might be way off, but I have Sky more two
rounds behind ch. Skype if CH is overpriced by
around or whatever Skype or is also overpriced by around, or
whatever. If that was, I think Scott.
Yeah because I that's it. But we have a clip for Scott
Moore which is boy, depends favor.
We should have taken Skywalker, family is getting a bit
overpriced compared to some of the other wide receivers.
I think like if you're able to get your apples Capital alone,
like he's, yeah, he's being overdrafted relative to some of
the other wide receivers are Wilson.
Graph like this was a draft horse guy, fell behind ya, get
Garrus, op sobriety no problem, taking Sky.
Moreover, a Lobby. None, I think just for offensive
upside me the Saints could be discussing Target competition
sucks. I personally think Skies better
Prospect in a lot of it. Yeah, so okay, so obvious, the
next rookie wide receiver to come off like in this room.
Darren Wilson's gone. Trail on Burke's is long gone.
I actually don't think that we were really reaching for Sky
more here. I'm convinced.
Shocker. I also just like the this ehh, I
think that was really strong stuff.
I mean he sidestepped I'm with you, I'm with, but you guys
know, I will look a little more stock in the projectable volume
and sometimes I mean like we talked about ambiguous,
backfields a lot, is it works, sometimes it doesn't and we, you
know, the Denver Point like sure, I'm very excited about
Denver because I think there's Denver's probably going to be at
the draft Melvin Gordon, this is awesome.
Deborah is gonna be a team that like, we're going to be wrong
on, right? Like we're going to be, there's
no way to kind of accurate project Denver because there's
like just too many guys there. So like it's going to break and
someone's going to benefit a lot.
But like you could say the same thing about Kansas City, like
the projectable volume is fragile in Kansas City, because
it could be mvs, like mvs could add an extra element to his game
this year and smashes ATP. And Make the juju and Sky pics.
Look absolutely terrible. Like we don't know how this is
going to go, it's a completely different.
The only wide receiver that's ever caught.
A pass is Mako Hartman and he sucks.
I think it's safe to say that the sky was the alpha Place.
Eh was the beta play. Pat had the alpha play line gone
on. You had that lined up.
We went beta for some reason. I'm not, I'm not sure why.
All right, we need to. We also need to come up with a
plan that tight end because the boys are getting squeezed.
Hard. I was really hoping Alberto was
going to come back. That was a pipe dream.
The Chad is dunking on us for not taking him at the last
minute. So to see, uh, they're not real
happy that we didn't take Alberto with Ross.
I really want to take specific wide receiver here.
Toss it, toss it out. How all the top players are at
the top of ATP are all running backs and quarterbacks get
sticky is the best available tied in followed by like this
sticky. I like this I have to see what
is like, you know if we could just tell he just okay, what
about Commander Smith? I like our Smith.
I'm super honored Smith. I'm good at already got down
hook so I'm down with that. Yeah, we who do they play?
The Packers they play the Packers?
Yeah. Could I have her Smith the
Christian Watson? But it did Dylan correlation but
we blow it was your wide receiver scratch.
Was it Boyd? It was boys, goddamn it.
I actually really like I don't hate it, but I don't like it
here. I don't, but they're wide
receiver is Getting Thinner. It's thin.
It's already. I like holiday.
I like Rondell more. Yeah.
What about could just take bird? And connect?
I think think Irving come at. You could take him.
Let's just double tap tight end. Sure, sure.
There's some, I've been really liking some late values on the
Detroit wide receivers to, which goes with the bear.
Saddam game week 17, baby. But like charge sometimes goes
really late. That was that was hard.
That was a good turn, guys. What we're back at.
Where it was good. That was good.
Alpha play. We got it.
We got some correlation play. Set ourselves up for some
correlation play, that's nice. Yeah well Kumbaya moment for the
group. We should probably take Jerick
McKinnon and the 18th round to get that Chiefs correlation.
Play with with Sandra and see it just gonna be fucking bench.
There's what? I mean CH sucks.
So we can punch the playoffs. So he probably doesn't suck.
Right? Is that a good thing?
The fully healthy. Patrick like me where.
It's like you're basically saying never to drive cea and
I'm not at this price And I'm convinced I'm not taking him at
this price. I have this, not this, the price
is fine. It's not, it's a it is
absolutely fine for the running back one in Kansas City.
Yeah, it's fine. I was just talking to Jack even
remotely the running back on the chat is so sick.
We this placeholder me. We got one positive blurb on
Romeo dubs and we grabbed to Minnesota guys.
In this is the chat Romeo later set up dubs.
The dubs later. Well Pete.
You're the one saying we need more Calypso.
Get us a do play. A role that role at dubs.
Did we get a positive note on dubs?
Because I missed that yours. What they do is like, make it
back shoulder catches and that he might be ahead of Christian
Watson who was struggling with drops and now it's all the herbs
in the seventh round ATP. Let's do it.
There is stuff but it's like, it's all from, like kind of
Packers Nation, type of Twitter accounts.
Like, it's not, I've not seen any Like you know, journalists
saying the dumpsters ahead Packers Fan Boy. 69 420.
Yeah it is. It's like I don't know.
I'm just I'm saying I think Doug's might be more Pro ready
it's like that he had now that you've been on the news beat for
a good while who is the most trustworthy beat reporter.
Best beat reporter in the league that you like to you.
Hang on. There were words.
Well, I think about that. Let me tell this great store
question. I love dubs.
If he hits we're going to, I'm going to make a clip our post
draft rookie mob that we did where I took tubs way too high.
I was super excited about it. If he is we're gonna get three
Lapidus. Yeah but in my actual rookie
drafts where I intended to get a ton of Romeo dubs, our guest
tonight was an asshole and took him like and every freakin
League that Men with him like two pics before I was up and
ahead of ATP. Like so you're in on Deb's to
I'll just wait a minute ago, Dude.
I you know what I'm in on. I aggregate what you guys say
and I'm Nico says and you guys are all smart and then I do that
and I just don't graphs tab more like fifth overall and I'm
pretty good. You when you want your player,
do you trade down for like the men trade again for another
fourth-round pick three years from now and then mr.
Gotti ones. And what Leo T just described is
actually the GTO ship chasing tailing strategy which is you
tail everything. Unless there's a clip for the
player in which case you full fade, I was saying the Casey
stuff that like JuJu's contract is like Is a little worrisome
yeah it's a prove. It deal for a guys sucked.
Is that bad? You're really walking?
I think Leo. I think you I think
50 yards per outrun, it two years in an with an anaemic
quarterback. Well I mean okay not like
layering in any context around health and whatnot, like he
wasn't that bad two years ago. I mean he fucking broke the FTC
Playoff Challenge and some people wouldn't even play him,
even though he scored as many points in the regular season is
deante Johnson. I thought that one water
It wasn't, but it is now. Yeah, I don't know that it's
fair to say it's a slave to yards per hour on given that
like Chase. Claypool his flashed in this
offense, Pat for our move flashing, this offense.
Deante Johnson is like fryer mute.
What? Yeah, Pat for our mouth is
getting drafted. Like I think way ahead of what
makes sense because they actually flashes of rookie tight
end playing with this anemic quarterback.
Like these guys--it looks awful touchdowns he wasn't like he
just wasn't good. He was, he was okay for a rookie
Titan good. He was fine.
Yeah, pretty good. Yeah, but I just think like
other other players are are doing fine.
They're doing stuff that's moving their ATP up here in this
offer. Last year, was a disaster.
I'll give you that the year before he scored as many points
as deante Johnson you. They acting like they're like in
totally different strata spheres.
That was just two years ago. He's had Seasons at something
like he's not that old and he's had some remarkable Seasons,
he's cleared. Two yards per outrun.
I mean 2018 you clear two years per hour.
He also stopped doing Tick. Tock videos, midseason, last.
Stop through videos commitment. Block of time.
I'll pop out an hour's worth of videos.
I'd like to see them. I can't wait till Leone's like
you know, Kris Carr, so many, it's like Leone's really big on
Tick-Tock guys, he's like everyone on fantasy Twitter just
gives it all the shit that he is massive with the preteens.
So did someone fuck up their Auto pick?
They are stuck with that, in these drafts.
Yeah, his name is thanks Leone. So, I mean amazing.
Chris cars is a really good auto pay for, I think listen.
Yeah, that was. That was not me.
I don't have any Chris Carter. I don't want to be distance
from. That was Richard penny.
That would have made sense for the thanks Leone.
I help people win a million dollars in best Ball Mania to.
You're welcome, it happened. He give it will talk about four
shots hair. You drafted, both those players
at a high rate, you would probably pretty happy in the end
and Leone Penny JuJu's the parents.
Like a little behind. Like, did you think I do think
there was like, like I think his Mega floor is like really bad
like like almost pyramid level like there's just like a five to
ten percent outcome where it's really bad, but I actually think
like his like floor above. That's way better than people
think, just because I think he's going to be out there running
around the entire time with Patrick.
Mahoney percentile outcome is still good because he's with
Kansas City. Yeah, I mean he's going to
probably run routes so the entire season and even if he's
not a good Target prop run guy, he's not as bad as some people
would lead you to believe. Well, so I went by.
I was looking at his Target per hour on yet, some people not
doing it, they started for our on, since the Glorious Days of
2018 was 18 and a half percent, and his a taught in those years
were nine point eight, six point six and six point three, the
eight. I definitely came down due to
Ben but like it is kind of tight.
End dish to see a guy at that Target for out wrong. and for
that ate up but like kind of to your point like if you're if he
is like extra route, you know, pass-catching tight end in this
offense, like he's still, he's still have like a non-zero
floor, but I do think like There's like a that's nuts alone
on the health, right? Like it, is he healthy or not?
It's but a semi three years ago, he's also pretty bad.
He wasn't busy RS4 Avant suck two years ago 1.39.
So that it's been so long since we've seen a me Yeah.
No, that's fair. Yeah.
All right. What do we got?
Oh, who's going to be the Penny? I gave you the perriman?
Yeah, I'm just so the yeah, I guess they have to be like after
round 15 picks that you guys are like 20 picks ahead of ATP on,
who are at the top of any ET R sub skew, who uses your ranks?
That's the qualifications. Okay.
I mean we do have people drafting Julio at the end of
drafts at a discount. There we go.
I'm drafting the shit out of Julio Jones.
I'm trying to think who the I don't know if we have a back
this year that was that's like as far ahead of a DPS Penny was
All right. Kind of, we're on the clock,
guys. Gay, I guess?
Gain. Well, gain while would probably.
Yeah, I like that one. All right, Edmonds, DeShaun.
Watson Damien Pierce, Kirk Cousins.
Do we want to expand? I think so.
How do you make us? Could also do Fields.
If we like Fields more I like feels more like feels like feels
more. Also I think it's I think is it
the ffp? See reward the past yardage like
a little bit more to the point where?
Yeah it's it's yes they do. It's over 20 onion is also still
on the board if we wanted that Green Bay bring back.
What you guys want? 18 seconds here cousins or
Fields icon. Italian cousins by don't really
care much one way or the other fields is more fun.
If you guys are available fields, we already got hat.
I'm finding the way we bet. We made a bigger bet on the
Vikings offense. All right, I'm gonna grab
cousins. It's not as fun.
That's the triple condom play. We're just not making any Alpha
plays, this is depressing draft and Ben's, right?
He's right Leone. When you review this draft can
use snap and go pay to play. We need a wide receiver, don't
we? I mean, aren't we?
Yeah, Patrick DJ charkh District, OB Myers there.
Yeah. You like Toby?
I know on Jacoby. I like Jacoby.
There's Lazard Lazard. Is our gives us a bring back.
Those are gives us to bring this audience is round.
That's right onion, seems fine to write.
I mean isn't funny enough. I mean we could feel the Hardman
would make sense with our Chiefs play.
Also, if you guys like Myers over Hunter Henry, I like
Hardman Datsun and Jacoby and Meyers.
I like, I like Cartman dots in the most All right.
We'll be the most like hardman's.
Fine, if we want to join the Army and we can do Harmon.
I don't know if I got it in time.
Now, Jacoby what up? That's funny though because like
New England's pass rate, I think could come up a decent bit.
Even if you just if you strip out the insane Bills game, there
are. All right, like that cost.
Him three points. If you just look at their pass
rate last year, the Bills game alone was like three points, if
you strip it out. And then I just They're probably
going to throw more naturally because they ran super pure on
record, its back Jones's second year and I think Jacoby could be
PR monster. Love it.
I'm we like that case. That's a that's that's a really
interesting point about the, the Bills game.
Dude, I strip that out of like the bill they threw three
passes. That was the fewest passes.
An NFL game ever, right? I'm like there's already
something. It was like yeah I mean it was
absurd. It made the bills look like the
biggest run funnel in the league for the rest of the season.
So I had to like strip it out of all that stuff, you know?
Oh yeah. Did Nick, sister, Kobe is the
most alpha pig since gave Davis, they ran 46 plight 46 times on
49 plays that game. Wow, that's pretty nuts.
I feel like you'd use an alpha play.
Screw you guys. I know we didn't.
I know we didn't take him. He's another will say he was
until you started saying the sky and and not mvs in, not Hardman
to go solo, Juju is kind of an alpha play, as much as I hate
it. Like that is enough of playing
that is like oh no, this is an ambiguous.
It's fucking dude. Let's make a rule.
We're going to talk about Gigi the rest of the time because we
spent about six rounds on him so far and Pete.
What were you going to say? I wanted to get your guys.
Take sont onion because he's one of those guys that I just like
glazed over Tim Patrick style. When I see him there.
I never feel like selecting him. Where are you guys at on him?
I'm pretty neutral. He's definitely a better plan
Underdog. Like he's one of the guys that
has a huge disparity. I think it like half, PPR and
full, PPR scoring and this is tight and premiums or kind of
hurts them because I don't expect you to catch a ton but he
should. I mean he could be pretty
efficient. I don't know that the market
still has Green Bay being very good.
I'm skeptical of it. I know part of its at their
defense should be really good but if they are good, you know,
Rogers Gotta Throw to someone. I mean, there's nobody there.
Yeah. Oh Sammy Watkins was prashad
perriman but we knock it off. He might get cut.
Like he literally would have been Rashad Rashad permit.
They gotta ask ya. He's I I think I think that he
might get cut, then gets a little overplayed.
Like he might get caught but people are like interpret that
as like he's going to get cut, right?
But there's no one there, especially if you don't think
Christian W. Sin is like, right, like Rogers
hates rookies and he's not someone that was a prospect.
You'd expect to come in and play right away.
Is that accurate to say he's wrong?
But gurus, everyone says he's wrong.
I don't think that means he won't play right away though.
Like he wins deep and he's good with the ball in his hands.
So like he's I think he's going to be mvs.
I I don't think I'll have any. I mean he might have trouble but
I don't think it's like Rosie to say he can fill in for mvs this
year and doves as Davante Adams. Good one, for one replacement.
But but yeah, that's your question.
I think. Onions.
Like fine. Fine, a deep.
He's someone that I've been mixing in, when it's correlated
with Minnesota stuff because I have been drafting Dalvin, like,
a tan, kind of decent clip because he's, I don't think you
should be going at the one to turn.
So my answer to that would be that he's like not fine.
I was thought he was fighting last year because everyone was
regressing. The TVs.
And I thought there was room for his, like, his Target Sprout,
run some of these things to project forward a little bit,
but they were actually worse on. It's like 200 out sample before
he got hurt, he's not really ever earned any volume.
He just had that one really high TV season, which is what you're
playing, but I don't know. That's not what I want to Chase.
He also doesn't run a ton of routes his Rapture, he was 1820.
I mean T20 once a pretty low bar though like Yeah.
Yeah that's true. Like he can beat that.
I'm just saying like is that a pic?
That's going to win you? I mean it's how many late
tie-down Pixar. I mean, there's just not that
many white time picks it up. I think I like Evan engram more
though. Jacoby probably kept thinker
like this. I'm saying, don't take it tight
at like, take a pic that can make.
Yeah, but we managed to make a difference for a roster.
I think I do think some of the target prop run.
Stuff is just so skewed, by Davante, Adams for like, the
entire team. Yeah, yeah, yeah, everyone's
Target for our on looks but don't, they don't the like, the
We didn't say during this package conversation don't they
aren't that obviously answered for.
Where will Fuller winds up who just went where Julio Jones
lines up? Like, Packers are still the most
obvious team right to bring the vet so Julio his salary, cleared
Tennessee, Tennessee's books today.
Is designated a post June 1st cut?
Does that? Is that like why he hasn't
signed yet or is that completely irrelevant?
Actually don't know the answer to this.
As my email popped up and it said that Ben liked mono tasking
so bad like mono to asking why he was on this stream and I saw
it my email. I love the concept of audit
asking. It's great in theory will see if
I can find the time to sit and actually read that.
That's great. Thanks, Ben.
Tell us how you really feel. No, I'm definitely going to I
skimmed it during a draft. Okay guys, just skimmed it.
This shit just to trigger Pat a little bit.
Should your Han Datsun be going? For full round four and a half
rounds later than Sky more. Well, I mean I was I was
interested in taking them at the 1201.
Yeah. So what So 33r I would have
taken sky at the 901. So the three reps or was I
arguing with a either? One, whatever I was arguing for
is right here on the grounds. Let's I'll take it.
No, I think Dotson is a Dotson has Dotson's kind of the
landmine Prospect or it's like he's underweight, he's under 180
pounds is a four-year player, he wasn't efficient as an
underclassman. But he what he was somewhat
productive, he had to break out seasons and he's first round
pick. So, it's not that like, I don't
think Datsun has no chance of being able to play, but it's
just like, I think he's probably Darnell Mooney.
So like what does that get you is that like enough?
Is that enough of a swing because it's heart it is hard
for me to see like am I missing something with the upside case?
Like what is an upside case? But that's a thing, right?
I guess the way I look at it is I do.
Think of it nearly as granular. And I'm just like, he got picked
16th overall. The he's 178 pounds and he
doesn't run a sub for for, like, he's He's an undersized outside
receiver who without Elite Speed.
I mean playing with Carson Wentz like I don't write the went
really struggle. Everything you said I was going
to say that, the next comment would be, then that it might be
one relating spot was actually pretty relevant and he lands on
a Carson Wentz team with Tara McLaren there.
And I mean, Surroundings are not going to lift him.
We can put it that way, right? Like if you landed with the
Packers, maybe I would have been in but That's rough.
Deante, Johnson. Someone I hear your point.
The only honey that's not that's not completely implausible I
guess. Johnson was it was actually used
somewhat down field as a college player.
But yeah, he would have to get peppered.
That's not really Carson, wentz's game, he sucks it.
Short and intermediate throws. He's okay.
A deep throws which is why I said that quarterback, Beyonce's
College targets for outrun or really good.
I'm gonna look up Dotson's but I'm going to guess it they were
not since I think we're good as a senior but but poor otherwise
so Beyonce Johnson death, we're a couple of wide receivers in
the queue. So Leone.
I have a gross wide receiver take here.
I'm curious if you're with me on this one.
Jamison Crowder. He got so.
Yeah guys. Yeah I'm with you Pete.
Our stack. So KJ.
Kammler, this is our last crack to get a Denver staff.
Yeah, I'm good with that. Yeah, I was born if we really
want to flush out our Vikings won.
But handlers the must. I think I think Pam was a must a
must. Yeah, the Oni any I mean yeah.
Let's let's do the stack. I have Handler just so buried.
Like, I don't want to, it's just, it's tough sledding for
him there, but yeah. Let's let's take a post.
I have like Crowder and shark is only charged wire is gone.
I do have Crowder's to talk either.
I mean, it's too cold. It's too cold here, which is the
cold easily thing. He should have to have games
where he catches 10 passes. Like yes.
Yeah. And the 14th round.
I mean, it's not like we're super deep at wide receiver,
like, he's getting just many projects where they will handle
a comment coming through for a player.
I want to take, I love it. All right, so Crowder over
Osborne, yeah, for me. 25 seconds, 20 seconds.
Yeah, I think it's a toss-up with the correlation.
But pets really into Crowder. So let's take Crowder.
Twice. Yeah, do you do NCH the Crowder
when I do like as well? Because you're getting exposure
to one of the best week 17 games, you get exposure on the
best offensive, the NFL, and every sharp player thinks it's
too disgusting pick. So you're probably if you if you
get a Jamie's of crowder explosion week and one of these
teams it's in the you're competing with like Teams.
That might be pretty different than yours.
Yeah. So Leone what um we didn't talk
about this a lot last week. I think we it was kind of
controversial. We took a third QB.
What? What is kind of your ideal
structure? I guess, you know, in context of
what we've already done with these two extra roster spots
here. Yeah, iPod it with buying for
this morning. It was more on best Ball Mania,
but I think one of the mistakes I made last year was being too
rigid with really trying to go skinny at the onesie.
Additions. So I'm more open to it in
general and then especially with the two extra rounds.
You can definitely get it. This is definitely a team that a
third quarterback is I'd say it's like fine either way and
then it does make it easier to like I feel like we did a good
job catching up on wide receiver.
These last few rounds understanding that we can take a
couple cracks at running back late with the extra rounds.
I know, what do you think? Yeah, we all know I agree.
I'm sorry. No, I think we can justify both.
Three. Cubies three tight ends if we
need it. Yeah we could do both for sure.
We could go three of both of the one.
Could also go. We could go to quarterbacks for
tie-downs if we wanted. Yes we could.
I've gone even before the extra roster spots, I've gone Japan
who the tight ends are. I've gone for tight ends in this
format. Last year just because of the
two flags in the tight, end premium scoring.
The only problem is the QB 3s are going to look more
attractive than the tight end Force.
Yeah, there's one quarterback that I love.
Interesting. I feel like you're going to
notice but you probably do, but, of course, wouldn't be
correlated at all. Yeah, I think I noticed although
there is a 10 know there's that. I do.
I miss the tight end. Never mind.
I do, I gotta tighten for still gotta get that stack.
I don't have any time so that like to answer Max's question.
Yes. I know we sometimes do a bad job
of setting the table. This is fpc's, $125.
Yeah, that's me. It is our 26th listeners.
The title, the playoff structure is very similar to Underdogs
where you have to win these for uncorrelated tournaments and
then the week 17. And this contest is a 60 man
final so much smaller than underdogs. 470.
A final although much bigger than last year's.
FPC. Final.
That Leone was in that was that just 12 teams Mike.
Yes. Yeah.
So that's five times bigger. And you haven't you an extra
quarter back in that team right to help.
Get you there. Oh yeah the Big Ben auto-draft
auto-draft got me through one of the playoff weeks Ben did you
have the Datsun stuff? I was curious on that.
Yeah. His senior year is the only year
that was better than any of the auto Johnson's years in like
Target Sprout, run. Okay, they're a dots are
reasonably similar fiance's were actually mostly higher like,
Beyonce was really good at turning volume on a per hour.
Basis in college Dotson wasn't is the he had to his first two
seasons. He was below 20% like not very
good. Okay.
Let's see here. Is that when you start, probably
looking at some running backs at some point.
Yep. Yeah.
I've got one in the queue. Can you type it in chat?
Yeah, yeah, sorry. I just saw this hilarious coming
in here. I mean, that's so much grosser
than Crowder. Sorry, I just put that now.
Oh, This is all. Yeah, we're talking about next
fix. Okay, I do.
Can we talk about them? Or are you worried?
I'll get snake. How much do you like?
I don't care. We can talk about it, I don't
know. I mean if he gets type it's not
a big deal. We're talking about Corey Davis
who I do agree is going to be like what is there?
Three wide receiver set Leone like is it?
I mean, I assume get like, and I don't mean week one, like let's
say, like week 9, what's there, three wide receiver set.
I mean, isn't it? Dennis Wilson, more and Davis,
okay? But so Moors in the slot.
Yeah, I think so. They're moving around or yeah.
Those three. What happens?
Any confident? Those three guys are gonna.
Yeah. See the field consistently.
This is like one of those correlations with a judge needs
to be. Like where are you going with
us? Yeah, I don't know.
Where are you going? No I mean that's really I think
I think my concern for more is that like that's the three wide
receivers set but then the to wide receiver set is not always
Garrett Wilson and more. And that, it's sometimes Garrett
Wilson and Corey Davis because they're kind of talking about
before about, don't really good last year though.
Like he was kind of, not was like Wilson, but yeah, I just
felt like maybe it's just, I'm remembering that period where we
were like getting so amped to play him in our playoff strategy
and then he got hurt. Yeah.
And and now it's like oh they draft to get Wilson and his ATP
drop like fucking 20 wide receiver spots and I'm like, I
don't know if I should have dropped that.
Much. It's a fair question.
They invested a lot in tight end.
They'll probably do some too tight end stuff with sort of the
San Francisco structure. They'll have to wide receiver
sets at a decent clip from the three new tight ends this year,
he was AMA Conklin and drafted, Rucker Rudder who's like kind of
a pro ready type of inline guy Raya.
So, they'll be some to tighten sets.
I mean, I think it's a fair concern, but I think they
probably just rotate it but you're probably right.
The koi Davis mixes into that makes use a nice contract.
He's the veteran and the room like Right.
Yellow is tight. I mean, and I think there are, I
mean I think there's enough targets for all of them but like
he's gonna play on. There he goes now, there he
goes, I mean wide receiver. 76 is just is really late for him.
It's not like, he's bad. Yeah.
He's pouring his targets per hour and last year were insane.
I mean Wilson was locked on so algier who you wanted Pat.
I like algae are here at this price but I feel like people are
really Going a little far without like a fifth-round pick
here that like, we don't even, you know, those guys don't even
make the team. Sometimes, we could just happy,
I'm gonna be. And I'm Corey Davis moment.
Ha ha ha, that's what I'm here for.
Not bad. You're right.
And What was his story for our last year?
Was it like 24 percent or something nuts?
No 20.9. Is what I have 24 the year
before in Tennessee. Okay, 21 but still it's what I
mean at this this point 21, you know, he was reasonably
efficient one point, 74 yards per outrun, that's fine.
There's a 2.6 the year before and as last year in Tennessee
like he's not bad right? Just not as good as people
wanted him to be at a point. But now there, but he might be
too good. People might get annoyed with
him playing over more. Wilson.
I like Gus AdWords and James White.
Talk about boring guys, unless we decide we want, you know,
don't need a boring guy, but I like James White.
I like dissecting three-pointers for this build here.
I'm good with that wall. I had a QB tight.
I was just going to say, yeah, I think, okay, we need the QB side
of that. Now I wonder if we could wait on
the tight end side. Yeah.
What about outdoor? It was wondering quickly as a
bring back Odell Beckham as a potential bring back to Mike
Williams, but that year he needs to.
Yeah, he needs to be on the ranch.
But yeah, I'm gonna draft guess for now.
Okay, Do you want to do three cubits?
All the only had another key. Be he liked to, we can wait on
TV. Wait on QB, I think we should
wait on QB. Okay, I also like Sony Michelle,
if we want another running back. Try to type her for James White,
a decent bit to Sony Michelle, but I kind of like if we have,
yeah, we're already saying they're going to throw more like
it, what is James you for this team?
He's got sneaky upside in the on the full PPR stuff where I mean
he could just catch so many dump offs, we can be done at running
back now, right to. And unless someone super excited
War be like Main Event teams, I was streaming rain Bolden last
year like that role. Exist.
It's a role in this offense you know they just put Brandon
Bolden into it. Holmes gone.
Now White's back. Yeah, why is back.
He's probably too cheap given that he's I think he's maybe not
fully healthy and it's contract structured such that they could
cut him. I think John was concerned that
he might not actually wind up on the roster.
Who white? Yeah.
Yeah they do have a lot of bags. Well, if that's fine if he gets
cut, right? He's coming off injury.
I'm at, it's probably not good. Well, I know just doesn't mean
that gives us the correlation when he lands in.
KC had thought is Galaxy. Make correlations tonight.
He's just trying to bury CH just imagine James White signing with
Casey and how and how petrified your CH bags away?
I would be, uh, no, no, no. You know, you're not, you're not
wrong. I mean, That's why I'm trying
not to take them before where we took them.
Like that that's probably this spot where I take them, are B25
where it's correlated What is that?
What are you holding up there Leone?
Is that a ticket stub? A bookmark.
I don't know. I bought these clutch in a
bookmarks because I thought you had a you know it's like what
happened. I think I had that I saw CH and
the national champion. You have a bookmark for every
player. We're building, he got the top
spot, all this. Then you rotate it to this out.
Just as he had to go to him for the big, which means if you're
good, if you're takes a good. Oh, he's by far my favorite one.
I thought that's who you were. You were telling I like it.
Daniel Jones call. Yeah, I mean, it's a guy who
runs runs with the correct coach.
He's probably sucks but if for some reason he doesn't I mean
the like Matt Ryan's not going to crack the top 10 in any
scenario, right? Known to man like the doesn't
like a really fun team to play late.
I mean I'm not driving. Geology ghost late too late, too
late and goes on crafted our I think too late honest.
Yeah, I do too, I think Not in the habit of drafting Tony.
So I like always kind of miss when he's about to go or
whatever but I know I kick myself for not getting enough
dubs in the chat guys. Dubs in the chat, throw them up.
Pour one out. Do you like Mondale?
Yeah. I mean I'm kind of drafting
pieces of that offense like a little bit all over the place
just depending on what the cost ends up being.
Do you like Slayton at all? I feel like if something happens
I'm gonna clean this pretty nice.
I probably need to look into that more.
I have not drafted Slaton, we have him ranked, well ahead of
ATP, but that's because his ATP is like non-existent we still
have them kind of like outside of what we've got.
Actually, we've got, we've got slate and ring like not that far
off dubs. Honestly, he's totally free.
I kind of, you know, I'm I'm only doing it if I've got like
Indy or something and I do a little little bring back thing.
Yeah John's the dubs ones difficult because I mean what's
his draft? Capital is like what nothing.
Probably I need to bump him a little bit and what point this
summer are you going to give Justin Ross a real projection?
I've drafted Justin Ross. All right, but I don't know II
probably that. That's that's I don't know that
situations really tough because I think the most likely scenario
still at Justin Ross is, you know, a zero.
Yeah, I do too but it'd be fun. If you wasn't, it would be it
would for sure be It's also like he's someone that I'm we give
guys upside cases and we kind of weight the upside case and the
base case and it generally works out pretty well even with
rookies that might not have a lot of bass volume.
Ross is a little bit of an exception because his base case,
like if you're doing the targets is like zero.
Right? You know, you know like unless
you're just totally out. I'm basically the other receiver
like it just doesn't really add up.
Up. So it's hard.
It doesn't? That doesn't mean he can't.
I mean if he's good and he's supposed to be really talented
if he's good and he's healthy, it could definitely happen.
But that's why we have him like absolutely buried.
Right now. I've taken him on some Casey
Denver stuff before though. At the very, very end.
He's almost like too sexy as a last resort Peck.
You know like you suppose. Yeah, he is about that route. 80
fake it. Everyone just like I fuckin won
the draft with Justin Ross is By 18th round pick.
Yeah see what I mean. Because look at that, look at
the comments. Ross is healthy was immediately
impressed by receiving the Chiefs mix tried to get the hype
train. I mean we just hit the
stratosphere. We thought the sky more stuff
was out of control Ross, flipping Sky after the preseason
is within the realm of possibilities.
I mean I I don't disagree. I think I think Frost could
flip. I mean I would imagine maybe he
would be playing more of a downfield role but he could like
forces way on the field in through our receiver set.
On the outside, maybe he's talented.
All right, so we have three more pics.
We are at, we still have our two teams tied, in build.
Our 2qb build, we are up to 245 running backs and one, two,
three, four, five, six, seven, wide receivers.
We did not get any of the QBs to come back Mack.
What about we did? Not, yeah, I thought we were
going to get Mac but didn't happen.
There's still, there's still a lot.
I mean Goffin Mill. As Gulf Coast over, the Detroit
stuff's been growing. I mean, I did a golf backdoor
double with d-list Jones the other day and it felt so good
clip that in the moment there. I also man, I keep taking Deonte
Foreman so much. Oh yeah, I like it.
I don't know what's wrong with his price here.
But Foreman, seems like fine here.
Yeah, like ideally would go, what's tight?
And look like we should probably get a third tight end.
I didn't know Wally Cox who's Oma, great jaanu, Troutman
Harrison Bryant rsj, someone named Greg, never heard of him,
plays for Denver. I mean, we should probably play
for some correlation. Uh, we got 20 seconds here,
anyone you want to do? Yes, wormans he's fine.
We should probably be done at running back though.
Yeah. Honest to God I would take
dulcich here but interested Josh.
Josh Palmer went definitely right?
Yeah yeah well what about van Jefferson?
We're clicking down here. We're going to go in Auto draft
if you don't pick him. Oh crap.
We got Foreman. We got four minutes but are you
off autographs? Yeah, I know.
I don't snap pick it for yeah, I did too.
I thought since Napa Kitt, it was gonna snap pics Sammy
Watkins for us by the way. Oof that's funny Tobar is
Tolbert. There he went i'm-i'm-i'm that
guy right now. Read Sammy, Watkins James,
Washington, Vilas Jones, Pringle Sterling, Shepherd Duvernay, and
Mary Rogers Terrace Marshall Paris Campbell taekwon Thornton.
Isaiah McKenzie, cedrick Wilson. Not great, huh?
I mean, dick Davis Mills is like the only interesting quarterback
tight in Mullally cocks, who's Oma?
I probably just take James Washington or something at a
certain point. I would take Sammy, like, it's I
mean, I think John, who could be a third tight end, but, I mean,
I don't know what I wanna do. Let's honestly take the
correlation play guys. Don't say I would take dosage
over ja. No problem.
We'll give him these in the chat and we'll take that.
He just let it take down, I've had them in the queue.
He's didn't click hated what James, Washington ahead of him.
For half sex, just to feel better.
All right. I know you guys can give me
shit, but around 1910 1920 turn. We, would you not?
Take a correlated, potentially correlated Sammy Watkins, I have
nothing against say, no, it's fine.
Yeah, cool. Well you guys have me on the
defensive so much that I have to.
I feel like I need to caveat and preface everything with like
what you guys. Might make fun of me, but you
know what, I just realized needs to happen.
So, you know, I I personally edited the Lavista clip.
I had our guys seen in edited the Guy more clip, but similar
to how when I'm gone, you do the thumbnails.
I think you should be in charge of making your own dull.
Chich highlight clip. This is such an awesome idea.
This is such a good idea under 30 seconds, which shouldn't be
hard considering his body of work.
No, it's it will be hard actually do some good clips of
long runs. All is always catches her for
like 40 yards, downfield. So I have to figure out how to
speed up the fast. Like literally, my have to
sleep, you might have to go to take peacock.
I don't care how you get it done, but I would like to see
Pat version of a great deal. So, I like what, what, what
editing software can you give me some tips, what?
He's got to go out into the woods, so we just did a clip
content. I'm going to be dude, watch clip
contest on Splash play. And guys, were using something
called like video ve D. .I video?
Yeah. 5000 feet. How to use Leone how he's
feeling video video, it's video, you could use video, Pat video
editing, Made Simple great videos with a single.
Click, add subtitles transcribe, audio and more.
All right, send me the semi the music and I'll go to those
Beady. Does I do something it just
says, like, wow, on the screen. You may feel like that pal of
it, it's been up with his fucking mustache, man.
The end of this draft feels tough.
I don't know if it's the room were in or what these these.
Well, actually, I like, actually no, that's the thing.
The Gus white form is a pretty good tack on group to your
running backs. It's like one guy who has some
Standalone value and contingent and Gus, the boring pass
Catcher. And Dwight.
And then like the pure ceiling handcuffed and foreman.
And then what about the pig after that?
I mean I I got nothing, I feel like at that point, why not?
I mean the tight ends are so unlikely to matter that you are
almost better off. Taking someone that has a little
bit more uncertainty in their range.
I'm with I do kind of think John who's underrated though I think
if we didn't take doll such I think John who would have made
sense or like OJ Howard. I've kind of with complete bias
talking about Howard's kind of like a dulcet g pick to me too.
What about properties and his starter?
That's a good point. That's interesting.
One tournaments with a zero from Troutman is kind of the thesis
of the play he does nothing. But is a good locker room guy
for the rest of your teeth. Yeah we're not rsj to is he?
Yeah like rsj yeah we yeah we do have I guess I guess we have a
yeah. Well one comes back.
I wouldn't I wouldn't be opposed, that's how you the
giant stuff. I'm on.
Weirdly on it. All these NFC east teams.
I think there's a chance Philly throws a lot more than people
think and they could be if it works, it could work really
well. Yeah, I'm with you man.
Like they started the season super pass heavy.
They set a record for the fewest rushing attempts by running
backs like and then in their franchise history.
And that to me feels more indicative of what they wanted
to do it. They just kind of fell into
something that work and they pretty much had to stick with
it. And, you know, maybe you can
also hide yourself in narrative either way but The comment here.
Jalen hurd's isn't good at throwing the ball though.
I would love to just like, kind of bet against that general idea
because it's like Reger. Obviously sucks, right.
He plays his way. I don't like, out of a starting
job in two seasons. The first round pick because
Watkins seems fine. But what was he fourth?
Or fifth round pick. And he's basically like a deep
threat and and then Demonte Smith looks good, but he was a
rookie last year, so like his number one target last year is
basically a tight and I mean, I think got our led, the team in
yards per game. That's not a good situation for
a quarterback to be in. So I mean he might be actually
like, I understand he's not going to be the most accurate
passer ever but like he's he throws downfield and he can move
and he can use that Mobility. To hit big plays.
Like not all these guys have to have the exact same skill set.
Yeah. if we're going to take Sammy Watkins, why don't we just
take Randall Cobb to Gretchen's to the defeatist.
He's like, if we're just going to take shape layers, why do we
just keep taking shitty players, just take them both.
I mean, Reynolds Cubs probably. Randall.
Cobb might be the Savior version of Sammy Watkins.
He's not going to he's probably knocking he's not going to get
caught. I do too, I'll be honest.
There is a part of me that just thinks that Sammy could like
actually has some upside. Though.
It's small, but I think it's there.
I mean, I've Rogers can basically turn anyone into a
functional fantasy player. Not Jeff Janis.
He could have if you wanted to, you could have, yeah.
Some matter of motivation, what he wanted, he wanted it to be
Jay Kumar or whatever Westbrook. Seems like a guy that you have
to project, right? I gave so there's this
up-and-coming player called unlisted wide receiver and hey
we're looking like they're going to earn some volume this Leone I
just raised up trailing Burke's like four spots in my mind.
We just gave burps a bomb. Because I think we, we just
overhauled kind of like our team level stuff because God we have
to do this shit. So early that sometimes it's
just like bastardized put together after the Superbowl
like some logical guessing and regression and I went back and
like we did the models and I started using your to out stuff
to like for the stable teams, that's actually adds a decent
bit of signal because you get teams like Kansas City that.
It's more likely to believe they're super pass out because
it Just do it every year, but I digress.
I think Tennessee is going to end up throwing More Than People
realize, because they're going to have to basically And there's
going to throw to accept trailer words.
What do we want to do positionally here?
We're not at running back. I assume we're done at tight end
so we're what quarterback like its water.
Yeah or wide. Receiver wide receiver.
I mean we could take Troutman or something like we could take a
fourth tied down. We didn't take an early tight
end. We could are we got it?
Yeah, we could do. What if we did like Sammy and
tied up? Yeah, yeah.
I like John who I think he could get used more than people think
and then if Way? No, she's gone Jenner.
He's the of Sammy. Oh, Stanley just went Randall.
Cobb it is. I would put jaanu at the top.
I got to like your pen something happens, the hunter huh?
People were drafting jaanu three rounds out of four.
Rounds of had a hunter Henry last year.
I mean, it's not crazy to take jaanu for absolutely free this
year. My favorite wide receiver in a
vacuum available right now is Paris.
Campbell is Pringle there. Yeah, yeah, Pringles here, wait,
does that correlate? Why am I thinking that
correlates know? It doesn't quite, we know it
does. Welcome at it.
We have Commit, we have combat Paris, Campbell's, probably my
favorite in a vacuum too. Probably Paris, Campbell
Randall, Cobb or I can I like Campbell?
I mean, Campbell might be talented.
Okay, let's take made a lot of beta moves.
It's time to drop a gamble over, Randall Cobb.
Yeah, no, yeah, I'm on my way. Let's do it.
All right, there she is. Roll.
The team is in the role of the parent.
The, the last two picks felt like Alpha place.
Oh, I mean we just pure testosterone to finish this job
Jones, an alpha play. You can project them for shit.
I don't want to have those long runs.
Imagine what Belichick's going to unleash?
Now adjustment Daniels is out of the picture.
Yeah. Now the judge is gonna be
running the offense. All right, final team Kirk
Cousins Russell Wilson at quarterback running backs, James
White Dalvin, cook Deonte Foreman James Conner ceh, Gus
Edwards, wide receivers Campbell, Jacoby Mayer, CD lamb,
KJ, Handler, gave Davis Mike Williams Juju Jamison Crowder,
for tight ends jaanu colca met, Greg the leg Dolce itch and Irv
Smith Leone. How do we feel about the squad?
I think it's a good squad, you know, especially the juju pick
like that type of upside you as if you belong.
Oh man. Now I gotta save that for when
it counts we had do that live in Vegas.
I was hoping to go they do Play. Oh we should have P announce the
pick in Vegas and then I'll just come in next to him.
Slam the table and go Alpha play.
What I do think structurally that one of these running backs
should Another wide receiver like in that Gus Edwards range
before the writer series got mega, mega terrible.
Yeah. Yeah, I think you're right.
But I also my recollection is that they were Mega terrible.
Yeah, they got they just got more terrible.
So it makes ya feel like we're less terrible than in real time.
I agree with you that in hindsight, I'm like, well, the
fight with the to, you know, the two flags to wide receiver.
Its it doesn't hurt you as much dubs.
Went after that point. I just pulled the draft board
rope. Yeah, Miska.
Evan Jones. Those are the types of receivers
we could have got ya. I wonder if Thornton would have
made sense as a play instead of praying or instead of a Campbell
I mean we definitely would have taken him if we were able to get
Mac. If Mac had Ryback, then we yeah
ended up funneled, they're better than I do.
How do you guys feel? It feels like, you know, it does
feel a little bit like a beta team, it feels kind of boring,
but fine. Feels like Leone team, boring,
but fine. I mean I don't like how he did
it. If you guys, I believe I've been
clear on that point, but I do like I do really like Russ with
some stacking Partners. They're not that the stack
Partners, we would have picked if we had our choice from the
beginning but we got some stack partners and then we have Casey
coming back. I mean that is that is fun also
it's it's not any one of this team fucking sucks.
Ha ha ha. We gotta say, I don't know if
you guys did pick up on that when Leone referenced it but all
four of us are going to be out in Vegas for ffp.
See and NFC draft weekend. I know I've been lagging on
circulating the form to get you guys in the loop about
co-managing with us about some of our biggest plans.
So I will be doing that prompt. By guys, the summer drafting
plans are coming together and it's going to be a great summer.
It is, dude, I can't wait for Vegas.
I can't Leone. I've never I've never met you in
the flesh. I feel like I know any of you
guys, right? Yeah, think so, dude, it does so
behave like I'm gonna be and I'm gonna be in New York next
weekend. Oh, that's awesome.
I'll be around. Not here you don't mean, I'm
just going to be there with my son, so I won't be able to.
I could really be Yoda Speakeasy.
Get hammered. Yeah.
I'll take a look at the Speakeasy but I'm staying with
Dank. I'm gonna be there Thursday
night. I think to Sunday, awesome.
Very nice Leone, anything else you're deep in the in the
spreadsheets over at ETR you mentioned.
You have the pot out with buying for talking be bm3 strategy.
Anything else on your radar? Yeah.
No mostly just grinding projections and rankings right
now. They're in a good shape.
It's crazy how much earlier and earlier we get a ton each year
and how invested people are in early.
The one thing that's been difficult for me that's just
like as an aside but People draft like 150 teams now.
So if we're way behind ADP on a guy like Russell Wilson and like
throws everybody's brain off because they're like I'm not
getting any rust exposure. So people think like more
portfolio based and that's been a little bit of a challenge to
try and get this drinks as actionable as possible.
If you're drafting a fucking 150 teams, you're on your own to get
your exposure straight. Like, come on, you're going to
complain that you're just like a robot drafting off these
rankings. That I'm not getting enough for
the guys I'd make it. Get out of here.
Are you say it's like a different?
It's a little bit of a different world though.
Preparing like rankings for. Like if you are going for that
approach or if you're just doing a redraft and you're like, I
want to draft what I think is the best team possible.
You know what I mean? Like, it's just that's been so
much. I mean, if you were doing a
portfolio like if you really wanted to avoid taking a lot of
stands, you would just like load the ATP and then liked we have
four spots off the ATP at most or something which doesn't seem
like rankings that I would want to look at.
Our see we actually think I'm into guys use ATP a little bit.
But yeah, absolutely so, but we've got, we've got those going
establish the edge. I'm trying to do one pod a week.
Did the one with buying for I think came out really well.
Got one with Jack Miller talking about the running back Dead
Zone. Kind of exactly what we talked
about in this draft. That it feels like, there's some
running backs that start to fall that feel bit better than in
years past and there's the wide receivers don't feel quite as
Rich. So just kind of handling rounds,
3 through 6. We're going to have that next
next week. I'll reminds me.
I know I've referenced this on multiple shows, but my big best
ball videos finally going to come out tomorrow.
Just put the finishing touches on that one.
Looking at week 17 specifically how and, why to optimize for it?
Have been working with Michael Dube, neuron, that video.
So very excited to drop that one tomorrow.
Gretsch crane. Anything else here on your
guys's in, I just worked up another update to my Dynasty
ranking, so I'll get that up on. The site tomorrow.
For, I want to check those out, and look for our draft guide,
which we are going to be. We just got all the content in
for early this week, so, that'll be out soon.
Sweet Gretch. Stealing bananas.
What else going on? Yes, the only bananas we just
recorded three episodes last couple days they're going to.
And then another one tomorrow for all the different positions,
they're kind of long but they're pretty in-depth.
We go through eight. DP and talk about targets all
throughout the draft. So we've done kiwis and and
running backs. And I done so far doing
receivers tomorrow, they've been really good could to get, you
know, Sean's thoughts on all of them all the way through and
that would be the big thing that I would Point people towards.
Can I just say I was, I've listened to the intro or the
first one of these and Shawn, like explaining kind of what the
like theme of this like series of podcasts is going to be is
like the you guys like talked through scenarios and like, you
know, it's gonna be kind of a Ariel base drafting like
preview. I'm like, so excited to listen
to these things, man. It was, I don't know what their
mom to have to turn it off before.
This is, I don't know who they're going to live up to
that. We're kind of just talking
through the, the different positions.
But yeah, I remember, you're talking about, he went in on
that a little bit and I was like that prepared, quite yet.
This is like our first look at each of the positions but I
mean, I think it's a good. I'm just like I'm just grateful
like looking back. I mean getting to listen to you
to get you to listen to Shawn and call them on overtime and
just thinking like for a long time, we didn't get any audio
Sean like whatsoever and now we're getting him all the time
and it's awesome. I get I truly every time like
this. It's so nice to be able to get
his kind of real-time thoughts on stuff Sam.
Alright guys, if you're going to do the projection shows again,
we were just talking about this week and I think probably right.
Liam, yeah. No way people liked it last
year. I think it was a pretty good
exercise. Yeah, for sure, I remember the
Cooper cup conversation in. You know, they didn't all go as
well as the kubrik up conversation, but I do remember
that one. Distinctly as like something we
talk through and felt like you helped a lot.
So Alright guys, I we're going to power this down.
I know some of you guys want. Saucing look the saucing on ffp.
See drafts is getting hard. We're all old men to our plush
show. We save the saucing for the
shorter Underdog streams. If you want me to Sauce your
roster and the ship chasing Discord tag me and I'll tell you
what a piece of shit team you drafted?
I'm a great way. He doesn't even need to see the
rest.