Welcome to a special July 1st edition of ADP Chasing.
Today, we'll be going deep into wide receiver depth charts
across all 32 NFL teams to try to find this year's Puka Nakua.
And if we fail at that, maybe at least we'll find this year's
Dontavian Wicks. Let's do it.
ADP chasing is for when you watch ship chasing you go these
guys are just football guys. And the targets for outrun
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Anti cabal it's anti the best ball thought leader.
I'm obviously lying to some degree because like I have a lot
of both of these guys. It's.
The most disgusting thing you can make.
But man, what's up guys good to be back after missing last
week's show. You know, I thought I thought
maybe last week with me gone things could maybe start more on
track and ADP chasing and already by like the five minute
mark you were breaking down Blake Bortles NFL career.
So it's it's good to see that was perhaps a.
Highlight of the summer? Yeah.
I was going to say, that might have been the best analysis we
did on the show. Yeah, like I've been like I
Levis pilled myself like I've been, I've been like making it a
point. I've been making it a point to
get Levis since having that conversation.
Love. It it did, it did convince me.
I mean also just watching Will Levis last year, you can't deny
he just absolutely smashes the QB aesthetics.
Yes, which it matters that matters.
Yeah, he's a big guy. He's big, he's he likes to throw
D He's going to throw a lot more this year.
You guys are both professional fantasy football analysts.
Could you even name who the backup quarterback is in
Tennessee? Truly Like could you without
Googling right now? It's Mason Rudolph.
Oh it. Is Mason.
Rudolph, it it is Mason Rudolph, which is to say this is not,
this is not even a Marcus Mariota backup quarterback
situation like the the bench risk on Levis is so, so low.
Like so low. Yeah, it is very low.
Yeah, it's almost impossible. I mean, yeah, maybe you could
argue he has higher injury risk. They don't want to do it.
They don't want to do it and and anytime they're going to Mason
Rudolph, it's a lost season. There's a It's.
Yeah. He was so bad that it's like he
was Zach Wilson. Like it doesn't matter.
Like you already lost the bet. Like, you know.
Very, very good, very good points being made here on on
this program. Yeah.
So we'll try to keep things a little bit more on track today.
The plan, like I I teased in the intro, there's not really much
news with risers and fallers. We'll hit that quickly and then
we'll get into sort of ambiguous wide receiver depth charts
across the league and try to, you know, pick out spots where
maybe there's under the radar rookies or second year players
that we can perhaps target. But let's quickly start here
with risers and fallers. Just a couple guys I wanted to
call out here again. You look at all the change in
ADP like there's only three guys that have more than a 3%
movement in ADP. That's a sign there's basically
nothing happening, you know, even.
How much does the market just hate Stefan Diggs that he's in
this environment falling as a wide receiver?
It's it is, it is crazy. It is like in BBM and BBM, two
Diggs would have been a seventh round pick.
Because he's sleeping with the underdog drafter's sisters.
Let's. The, the, the Barkley change, by
the way, I think this is exclusively because there's only
virgin drafts happening right now.
Like it's only like puppies and 10 second clocks.
And those are the last people on earth that want to take Saquon
Barkley. So he I would not be surprising
to me if if they don't do any niche contest for 10 days and he
rises. I love that the puppy two filled
in like 8 days and it that that fact is not even close to the to
the most virginal activity that's occurred in the last few
weeks. The dumbest thing we can get to
bar finish that, but the dumbest thing to me with the digs thing
is look at this next chart here and Cooper Cup is up once like
what is like the the pro cup argument, but anti Stefan Diggs,
like anything that you can say about Diggs with like age, age
risk, injury, etcetera, like cup.
No, I, I want to, I want to refute, I want to refute.
I want to refute this analysis because Cooper Cup played quite
well last year to the point that in the 12 games that he and
Nakua were both 100% healthy, they got the exact same amount
of targets or, or one of them got one more than the other one.
I don't remember. I don't remember which, but the
the. Dig's yards for Outrun was
better, his targets for Outrun was better.
Like basically, you know, PPR, like we just want to go fantasy
points for game that was better. Like, I don't know, yeah, Kopp
didn't play horrible. I'm not saying he was like
terrible last year, but I don't know, maybe it's people just
saying like Stefan Dig's first half of the season doesn't exist
'cause you look at his full season long stats last year,
like 27 target percent targets for Outrun.
Like, it's not like he had him a bad season.
Like cup's down at 23%. So I don't know, I, I, I, I'm
not seeing like the rationale for putting cup over digs
personally, I guess the target competition argument.
The target competition is so much better for for digs than it
is. I mean, there's no tight end
that's going to draw targets on the Rams, The Texans, the Texans
have three good wide receivers, not two.
The Texans have a competent pass catching tight end.
I mean, I don't that's a guy who earns 80 targets, not 40.
And they have like a like the one thing Mixon can still do is
catch swing passes effectively. I mean, that's really, that's
like the one thing left that he has to offer.
It's it's a it's a bigger pie. It's a better pie in Houston,
but he is going to have a smaller piece of it than cops
will. Yeah, I mean, I I'm not bearish
on Cup. I don't like the framing where
we have to argue between Diggs and Cup so much because I think
Cup's a pretty good pick. Like he was, he was awesome two
years ago. He was banged up this year.
It's a very, very condensed offense.
The situation is super stable. He's got good quarterback play.
He's got great coaching. The fact that Cup and Nicua
together are both really good should like I think, probably
help each other remove some of the the.
The the the target Cliff as as Roto Pat would say.
Roto Pat was right about the target Cliff.
We got to be honest. Come on.
Like dude, like let's be real. So what now, poop?
What now? Puka got too many targets.
Puka might Puka's hitting the target Cliff.
OK, so he's, oh, also you, you are Sam, you are totally, you
are totally burying the lead here, which is the long history
of, of 30 year old wide receivers changing teams and
going to 0 immediately. Like, like how many, how many
guys could we name just playing? Remember a guy who changed teams
at 29 or 30 and then we like never heard from them again?
I guess so, But I feel like that narrative's kind of like changed
a lot in recent years. Like, I don't know, DeAndre
Hopkins change teams. It's it's changed because really
good wide receivers don't get the free agency anymore.
Yeah, like I think if if it happens via trade, I'm not
nearly as worried about the wide receiver changing teams thing.
I guess as like compared to a team just letting a guy hit free
agency and say we don't care if you sign somewhere else.
I think the dig situation is a little bit different than us to
do more with locker room vibes and and other things behind the
scenes. So I don't know, like, yeah, I I
agree, it doesn't have to be. He's not a fun clique, 'cause
you're like, I'm all I care about is the end of the season,
right? Like that.
That's why I'm, you know, making these picks, right?
I gotta have them score a ton of points at the end of the season.
Well. Diggs is maybe not gonna be all
that popular by the end of the season.
So just like it's, it makes you a little nervous.
I do. I think it's a good pick though.
Like I'm gonna end up with a lot.
Of digs, I have a. Lot of digs, like in an
environment where wide receivers are flying off the board and
we're like wide receiver upside's never been more
expensive. Like this dude has been very
good for his career. He was good last year.
I I agree with your point that, you know, over the course the
whole season he was pretty good. He goes from Josh Allen.
That stinks, but he lands with CJ Stroud, which is amazing.
This is an offense that supported spike weeks for
players popping up kind of randomly.
Noah Brown went off for a couple weeks, like Diggs can go nuts
for for a couple weeks in this offense.
Like I it it's like doesn't seem like an offense that's designed
to just kind of run through Nico week in week out.
No SO. Can I, can I make a can I make a
counter That might be persuasive to some people listening to
this? Cooper Cup has the most half
point PPR points in one season ever.
No, I'm I've refused to frame this as cup versus digs.
Well, I like the thing. The thing about that crane is
that's, that's a choice now, right?
Like that? That's a.
Choice, I like to love it. The the choice is don't draft
Eric Henry is honestly what how we do this.
You can get both. It's possible to get both, sure,
but I'm a lot of both. Yeah, I am.
I don't know. I guess I am pretty clearly digs
over cup. I don't know it it is simplistic
and I do get that cup flashed, cup flash, the upside.
I'm at 8% cup and 17% digs. So you can do it.
You can. You don't have to go let.
I wonder, I wonder, I wonder my numbers.
Yeah, I am. 19% cup, 1% digs. Whoa, OK, so this isn't a cup
thing for you're out, you're just out on.
Dish. It's it's it's a I am not as
much of an aggressive piss wide receiver.
Guys like I have do almost NO5 wide receiver starts.
So I'm a little bit more choosy let.
Me tell you they are fun. They are very.
Very no, I I I agree that well I like the elite onesies.
I I am well, I. Mix in I mix in a tight end.
I I'm jamming the elite onesies way above the field, like if I
did my combinatorial Hurts, Allen Mahomes, Lamarr
Richardson, Exposure or Kelsey, yeah, Andrews, whatever.
It's very high. So I just have less digs
naturally because that 'cause I I have cup ahead in my rankings,
so I take cup. Which I I can understand, but I,
I don't know. I think like, I mean what I'm, I
think I'm what do you, what do you want, Cup?
19 percent. OK, so we're like not that far
apart on cup. Versus I've got the beach towel,
I've got the beach towel. Yeah, you have this little beach
towel you could find. You could find another seven in
there. I think you could the I'm doing
when I say the five wide receiver starts, it's not so
much that it's tends to be through 76 wide receivers and a
tight end. That start is pretty fun because
it you're just you like it allows you to then hit the
pocket of running Max coming up. As long as you can take care of
quarterback, you're in really good shape.
I think this is, this is my, this is my opinion one.
I really like Sam's whatever we, we call it, trinomial wide
receiver idea where you just jam 3 elite wide receivers in the
first four rounds and then you do the elite onesies and you get
1 running back that you really like.
I, I really like that strategy. The other thing is.
You could almost do like hyper fragile with that because.
You're like that, but it's hyper fragile wide receiver almost.
You could do, you could do seven wide receiver teams.
If you do that, if you take, if you do that and then you get
Rashi Rice and Christian Watson, you could do, you could do some
cool shit. Yeah, that is fun, Yeah.
Yeah, I I like those builds a lot.
You take three in the first four, grab one more in like
round seven or eight and then wait, wait it out and grab your
last four wide receivers, hopefully correlated at the end.
I do. I do occasionally do like the
five wide receivers through six thing as well, depending on how
the board falls to me. But I do think to some extent
where you want to take advantage of.
Yeah, I don't love them as much as.
You can get lot well, and this might be a personal problem
because if I'm doing that, it probably means I have two Chiefs
wide receivers. So it probably means I've got
two of Worthy Hollywood or Rice. But that also probably means I
don't have my homes, so I'm leaving myself with smaller back
doors to figure. Out Well yeah, because you built
it with the Chiefs, but if you built it with not the.
Chiefs But if I built it with if I built it with Jaden Reed and
DeAndre Hopkins. Yeah, if you set up stacks later
in the draft, it's much easier. Let me tell you, if what you
need to win this year is Justin Jefferson, Jalen Waddell, Kyron
Williams, Hollywood Brown, Rashi Rice, things are looking up for
me. If that exact combination of
players is what you need it, it's going to go well for me, I
think. Yeah, All right, well, let's
let's get to the the meat of today's show, actually.
Sorry, one more rise that I wanted to hit on.
You know what, sorry, I can't contradicting myself again.
We'll talk the Patriots wide receiver depth chart later.
So I'm going to skip on the the Pop Douglas discourse for now.
Really. I mean, he's not, he's not
really a puka candidate. I wouldn't say.
Well, he's a second year. OK, I I guess the the point of
today's show he's. He's a he's a puka.
He's a puka. Candidate.
All right, we can talk about him.
Later, yeah, I think let's, let's broaden the scope a little
bit. Pat, I, I think what I want to
talk through here is wide receivers, you know, going at
pick 150. Eight wide receiver sleepers you
need to win your league. That's a good title for the.
Oh, I I thought we were talking about specifically day three
wide receivers drafted by the Rams.
We could get an hour out of that.
Show. Yeah, that could be.
Probably good. Oh man.
So let's start here. So to kind of get the list of
teams that I wanted to talk through here, I both basically
split up all NFL teams into different categories.
And there's a lot here, but the gist of it is I, I kind of
wanted to eliminate the teams where the fantasy market is
telling us there's three or four really good pass catchers on
these teams. So if you look at the far left
column here, Green Bay Packers, Chicago Bears, you know, Buffalo
Bills, Texans, all these teams have 4 pass catchers going in
the top 100 or 2000. Twenty picks or so, right?
These aren't really teams where there's a lot of extra room at
the end of the depth chart to find deep sleepers.
And then at the other end of the spectrum, you have teams like
the Patriots and the Chargers where, you know, outside of Ladd
Mcconkey on the Chargers, all these guys are going really
late. The market really has no idea
who the top wide receiver is going to be.
Or maybe, you know, the top wide receiver in Ladd Mcconkey's case
is really unproven so. You guys indulge me on the
Packers for one second, though. Though Melton.
Depends, Melton. Oh wow, I the, the chance of
Bill Melton being this year's Pooka is like sub .003%.
But it's just, it's just enough that I think he is draftable on
underdog and, and DraftKings. Like yeah, 97% of the time he is
never cracking your lineup. But like they're, they are one.
They are committed to the bit. They are, they are extremely
committed to the bit of rotating their wide receivers that they
played six wide receivers in a playoff game that they won.
Christian, like really what you need is you need the Christian
Watson hamstring and then Jayden Reid is a bit player.
So Watson hurts his hamstring. Jayden Reid is in like a 65%
route share role. And then Melton just gets on the
field and starts playing a ton. But yeah, it just indulged me
for three seconds on on Bob Melton.
That's all. I think that's a.
That's a fair one. I mean, this is a, it's a wide
receiver depth chart that we're taking a lot of stabs at, but
it's not, I would say, especially set.
It's not set at all. It's like the least set of all
these teams in the clear top three target earners.
Yeah, so I, I think that Bo Melton's an interesting name to
throw out there. He's not someone I've really
been thinking about, but I I actually think he does fit this
discussion. He he's so opaque because he
played at that shit Rutgers team that Pacheco played for that was
like basically the worst team in the FPS.
So there's just nothing to learn about those players.
He had 2.28 yards per hour in his final season, which is
solid. It's not amazing, it's not it's
funny. Far from puka levels, but.
What do we think? What do we think Rutgers YPA was
that season? God, I mean it, it was, it was
very, very bad, right? Was it 2021 or 2022?
20/21 was the was Pacheco rookie season so I think it must have
been the 2020. Okay, so in 2020, the starting
quarterback for Ruckers average 4 point.
Nine. No, I'm wrong.
I. Think.
Pacheco was 2022, Pacheco was 2022.
Is this rookie season? So it's the 2021 season we're
talking about. 2021 Isaiah Pacheco 167 rushing yards, 3.9
yards per carry. Beau Melton more than doubled up
the number two guy on the team in receiving yards for a
quarterback that had 5.4 adjusted yards per attempt.
Wow. And on just 100 routes, I think
maybe 95 routes or so last year, Beau Melton was at 2.7 yards for
Outrun. 29% targets for outrun really insane.
Obviously it's a very low or small sample size we're working
with there, but I do think in the same way that you can draft
Noah brown in the 18th round if you have CJ Stroud, I think you
can draft bow mountain in the 18th round if you have Jordan
Love. There's it's definitely a better
pick than a lot of the water seepers go in there.
I. Think but very non derogatory.
That's fair. I, I, I prepare this to be no
one's going to like hearing this, but 90% drafted Khalif
Raymond versus 1% drafted Bill Melton.
Give me 1% drafted Bill Melton over 90% draft people.
I probably spent more time this year talking about Khalif
Raymond than any other player. True be people just love taking
this guy in the 18th round. I like him if I have golf too.
But yeah, I I agree it's not like the ownership shouldn't be
90% and 1%. I don't think Khalif Raymond's
90% drafted though. He's probably like.
I don't think he is either. Yeah.
It depends. It depends if they, it depends
if they have, if they pay. If you pay for rankings from
someone, you've got a lot of Cleve Raymond, because he
projects well, like you. You just like, oh, he's gonna
get. 80 and he was good last year.
But the the problem for Khalif Raymond is that he's a
rotational 4th wide receiver, probably like he's the third
wide receiver, but does he play? Is he locked in?
If if Jameson Williams does anything like if Jameson
Williams is a competent NFL player, Cleve Raymond is a Stone
0. But if he's not, then Khalif
Raymond might be kind of fun. You could catch like 65 passes I
guess. Yeah, I kind of like, I was
taking a decent amount of kleeframing and then I kind of
had the thing of like, what am I really doing?
I'm I'm, I'm not winning at all with Kleef Raymond, probably.
It's I think it's just similar to the Josh Reynolds bet last
year, which I think was a pretty good bet and you got pretty good
results with that. Did it?
Obviously it's not, it's not the same bet as Puka.
Like understand it's not a high upside swing, but Josh Reynolds
had a couple solid spike weeks last year.
Didn't didn't happen in the right weeks, right?
But it it could have, it certainly could have worked.
I mean, it's just the worst round pick.
Just draft Greg Dorch. Yeah, we'll, we'll get to.
That you don't have. You don't have to tell me twice,
brother. I think that's 30% dorch.
So you're not even looking for puka, you're just you're.
Signing up for No I I'm drafting the guy who people are gonna
think is Khalifa Raymond next year.
Like Greg, Dorch is gonna be a popular 14th round pick next
year. How high do you think Khalif
Raymond is going? Yeah, who's taking Khalif
Raymond in the 14th round? No, I'm saying, I'm saying next
year Dorch will be a 14th round pick.
Oh. Right.
OK, I'm. Gonna be saying Khalif Raymond's
a 14 pick now. So he's he's not available on my
screen when I when I log into underdog was one of the things I
asked them about the new partnership was just don't show
me any 29 year old special teamer.
Just remove it from out of the pool.
Your rankings are just are just the underdog.
ADP minus Khalifa. Minus Khalifa Raymond, minus
Khalifa Raymond and AT Perry, those guys are not.
Those guys are not on my screen. Those double is Dennis Allen's
underdog rankings, too. Correct.
Yeah, Yeah. All right.
So what's next? Yeah.
So I'll just say last word on. So these these two columns on
the left, it's not like there's not any good late round bets
there Like on the Raiders you could talk me into finding and
whoever their wide receiver three is, maybe Trey Tucker on
the Eagles. You could talk me into, you
know, Anus Smith or Johnny Wilson once we have more info
later in the summer. But none of these guys.
You could be talked into Anus Smith.
Yeah, I could be talked to Anus Smith, but none of these guys
are like big cuts in the way Puka was.
Because on the Rams, there was hang on, hang on.
There is a big cut here. It's Ricky Pearsall.
I don't know man, if if three guys get injured, I guess.
Three guys, he needs 11 injury and he's unlocked.
And he's been if, if, yeah, I don't know if he's unlocked in
the way puka. I mean, one injury and he's
still what, clearly the 4th in the pecking order?
Are you like counting, Elijah? Mitch?
You're not. You're not kidding.
Counting I've got killing CMC, both have like 20% target shares
and both the wide receivers have 20% target shares.
Like, that's four guys. Here's one gets hurt.
He's still 4th. Who's ahead?
Yeah, one gets hurt and he's 4th.
That's what I'm saying. Well, oh, I see.
I do they. Did just pay?
They did just pay Juan Jennings like $9 million a year or
something. I think it was to clear cap
space for the IT it. Probably, it probably was.
I got a good idea for a tweet. I don't know if I've got time to
do all the leg work for this good tweet someone could do is
just go through and look at rookie wide receiver seasons on
Shanahan called offenses. I, I I don't actually know the
answer to this. At an awesome season.
Who? Ayuk.
Oh yeah, you're right, people. Forget the whole doghouse thing.
Wasn't until year 2 that was. I did.
I did actually forget that I
did. Awesome.
Rookie season. Yeah, him behind river crack
raft. That was a good, that was a good
bit. That's classic Shanahan.
Yeah, so the look, I mean, yes, he could be 4th still even if
there's an injury, but that's not why it's a big cut.
And he was a first round wide receiver who gets open very well
in the intermediate part of the field and like Puka last year
was talked up a lot in in mini camp period.
So you know, maybe he's really good, maybe he's a really good
wide receiver on a Shanahan offense.
It probably takes an injury to unlock, but I think that is
actually pretty decently big cut.
Yeah, I, I don't disagree with that.
And yeah, I guess it's, it's just semantics on the the
purpose of this exercise, I guess.
But yes, I, I certainly think that Ricky Pearsall fits well
into certain teams. I think there's just depth
charts that are way less crowded where guys with far less draft
capital have a chance to emerge. That's I guess kind of the
spirit of how I was interpreting on this.
Yeah. He's not a, he's not a puka.
But as far as? If I was to compare yourself to
someone, I would say maybe like St.
Brown or like rookie year A.J. Brown or something where like
the the there was like no production early, but then it
just turns out he's it just turns out he's really good and
and gets on the field by hook or by crook.
And he has the draft capital, so he's not.
It's sort of a reverse type of bet.
It's like, dude was good, He was drafted like he was really good
and he was so. And that just shined through
eventually. So I not that I think that he's
anywhere near as good, but rookie year A.J.
Brown, he has the rando 100 yard game early than the two
touchdown game on 42% of the snaps, but he doesn't really get
activated until week 12 and he just goes like nuclear down the
stretch. And that would kind of be your
your pure Sol thing. Or maybe he does flash early.
Maybe he does flash on like 17 routes in week four or something
but doesn't get full time playing time until someone gets
hurt. And like I know a lot of times
the situation stuff is about quarterback play and not target
competition. And it is tough for me to see
like I really believe in IU and Debo and you know, the target
competition stuff is is serious. But like it is, we discounted
A.J. Brown a lot like in dynasty in
in addition to to regular redraft and best ball like
because of situation. Yeah.
Like he he dropped, he was, you could get A.J.
Brown at like the end of the first round of of dynasty drafts
that year, rookie drafts. I mean, Garrett Wilson, right,
Like Justin Jefferson, you know, just Jefferson was more of the
BC Johnson stuff, but Garrett Wilson dropped a ton because the
situation. Ola Ola BC Johnson that that is,
I couldn't remember. This morning on bestball
breakfast in the chat helped me out that it was.
Started started over Justin Jefferson his first two career
games. That was insanity.
But yeah, I I agree with you, Pat.
It's like, it's definitely a little bit insane to me that
like Ladd Mcconkey, Keon Coleman, even maybe if you want,
you could throw Brian Thomas in there.
They all go in the 70s and they were picked just like 10 spots
in the real NFL draft ahead of. And are mostly on worst teams.
Look at Pier, Saul, Jalen, Poke, who all go at like pick 140.
Like that's a lot of market confidence in the situation,
which again, I think is important.
And like those guys obviously should be ranked ahead.
But like, at the end of the day, it's going to matter more if
these guys are just good players or bad players, so.
It matters so much more like. Yeah.
Like, Nope, when a wide receiver is good, they are the situation,
You know what I mean? Like they become what drives the
situation. So we just don't know which of
these guys are good. We're going to find that out
soon. And then we're going to not care
so much. Like, oh, like these little,
tiny little things around the margins are just not going to
matter nearly as much as we think.
But because we don't know how good they are, we're putting a
lot of stock in them because we don't have anything else to
really grasp onto yet. But my, my feeling on this is
that it's not that we're mispricing Brian Thomas, is that
we're mispricing Pearsall, Leggett and Polk.
I agree. Yeah, I agree with that as well.
So for today, we're again, there's certainly late round
targets you can talk about on these teams in the far left and
that's maybe a topic for another day.
We're going to focus on the teams that have the most
ambiguous pass catcher hierarchies and that's eleven
teams called out here on the right.
And then if we have time, there's there's five teams that
are kind of interesting in the Cardinals, Falcons, Ravens,
Browns and Lions that have wide open like wide receiver, two
depth charts to summit to to, you know, varying extents, but
they have pretty locked in like elite tight ends and wide
receiver one. So I'd say they're slightly less
in focus for today. But without further ado, let's
dive into the first group of teams.
These two teams, I think, just have completely ambiguous wide
receiver ones. The market has decided that Lad
Mcconkey is a favorite, which I certainly agree with.
But again. It's it's probably mad to to me,
I think we could totally look back on the lad Mcconkey ADP and
be like, what? What Lad Mcconkey in the 70s on
1/2 PPR? Site I think.
It's good. No, I'm into it.
I take him but I'm just acknowledging that this is a
situation that could look hilarious in in retro.
Like this could be a sky more ADP situation.
I. Think it's more likely to be a
JSNADP where he's just like this duty really does nothing and
like, but then you're just hope. Like the reason I compare it to
that is like I'm pretty sure at worst he's the slot receiver and
maybe he catches a touchdown in the right week.
Like that's that's I think my bad outcomes are a lot of them.
Well, can I offer a rebuttal that makes Ladd not nearly as
appealing? Sure, Quentin Johnston was an
effective slot wide receiver in college.
More than effective, a really good one.
Brutal outside wide receiver. I talked to Matt Harmon last
week and he was like, they basically just asked Quentin
Johnston to play a position he never played.
It'd be like, it'd be like drafting Kyle Pitts and asking
him to be a boundary wide receiver.
Like more or less like, no wonder he couldn't do it.
And like, yeah, obviously he stunk and he had the drops and
he look always a body catcher, all this stuff.
It would not be an insane use of roster strategy for the Chargers
to play Quinton Johnson out of the slot where they think he can
probably be at least a replacement level player.
And remember, Crane, all the scout Bros, they all told us,
well, that brings 79% of his routes from the outside of
Georgia. They all, you know, they were
like, he can be an outside wide receiver and maybe he can, but
you don't want it. Here in training camp, that we
can, that he can. You you don't want that for
fantasy though. For fantasy, that's.
AI want him to run as many routes as he can, so if you're
telling. Me, he's his target upside, I
think. I don't know that it does
because if you're if he's only like what could limit his target
upside if he only plays in the slot and he has like a 70% route
rate, that could potentially limit his target upside because
he's not on the field a bunch of times.
But if this dude's rotating to the outside in three wide
receiver sets in, what am I saying?
Yeah, he he's if he's mixing up where he's running.
QJ is the rotational the. Ideal.
QJ is the rotational. I mean, the ideal scenario,
right, is in all three wide receiver sets, lads and.
He's on the field that's and then in.
Two wide receiver sets. He's, you know, playing the
flank or something, right? So you do want him to have the
versatility. But it you know it, I guess it
what? What?
He is, he does by the way they they like him most in the slot
but but he is looking like he can play on the outside.
Yeah, I do think that. I mean, there's been some quotes
on this too. I do think the Chargers will
change up Quinton Johnson's usage and get him some looks in
the slot. I'd be surprised if they're
like, he's our default slot wide receiver in most formations.
But yeah, I think it it certainly would be good for him
if they mixed him in there 3040% of the time, something along
those lines. The the one I don't like is
Palmer. I I'm just, I'm just out.
I take some Palmer, you know, I have a lot of Rishi Rice, Josh
Palmer. It works pretty well for that.
I'm also pretty much always looking to backdoor Drake
Maystack, so Palmer gets me on that.
Tyler Lockett The perfect blanket for Rashi Rice.
He's good, yeah. No, Tyler Lockett's a good way
to play that. There's a decent amount of guys
in that range. Josh Downs, I think you can use
a little bit like I'm. Pat doesn't know Ball.
He didn't say Dantavian Wicks first.
Dantavian Wicks is going in the the 80s at this point.
So. He's he's about to flip rice.
Yeah. So I mean, I think Palmer serves
a purpose. I I actually don't, I don't
think he's like horribly priced. Like, remember when we did the
Marcus Callaway thing? Yes.
But he went out Callaway but at wide receiver 55, not wide
receiver 38. Yeah, or, or remember when we
did, who was the guy that went on the Bucks?
Russell Gage, you know when we did that.
I I I remember that as well. I, so I did want to do a quick,
a quick game with, with Josh Ballmer because I think I'm, I'm
more on Pat's side. I don't think he's like some
amazing smash selection, but I do think he's been a little bit
better in his NFL career than some people are giving him
credit for. This is Josh Palmer verse a
mystery wide receiver. This is just last year's season.
If it's Sam, the mystery guy has to be JSN.
It's JSM, there's no mystery. No, it's.
It's not JSN. I'll give you another guess.
I had 19% charts for outruns so I'm I'm actually shocked.
I'm actually shocked. JSN's not yard for Outrun, dude.
I Yeah, I mean, Jason's yard for Outrun was not that high.
It was like the. The funny thing is, Sam actually
just made this chart F of memory.
He didn't even have to even have to double check.
No. Yeah, these might not be right,
you know, all the way to the decimal point, but they're
directionally accurate. OK, give give me a hint if it's.
If it's not transient, give me a hint. 4th year wide receiver
last year was rookie contract. T Higgins.
You are correct. Wow, so again.
Another another guy who sucks ass secretly.
That no one. Yeah, but again, like this is,
this is nitpicking Higgins a little bit 'cause last year was
his worst year. But he just loved this game so
much. This does not back find someone.
Who had the worst year of their career?
Now they're Josh Palmer. But but I will say a lot of the
defense of T Higgins is like, oh, he was injured like that
drags down his like scoring. But this is these are per route
stats, yards per out run and targets per out run.
Josh Palmer and T Higgins nearly identical last year in similar X
wide receiver roles. So I don't think Josh Palmer is
as good as T Higgins, but I think he's somewhere on like
his. Game logs were a little bit
better than I. I got AI got a hand up on this
one I I like. After last week's show, I went
and looked at some of Palmer's stuff and he's a little bit
better than I remember. But I mean, yes, he was better
last year than we remember, but he had 1.2 yards per out run.
He has a rookie 1.2 yards per out run again as a sophomore.
And he has this, you know, moderately efficient season last
year with JSM being absolutely terrible.
I guess, you know, now the Keenan Allen's gone, Mike Wings
is gone. Maybe he repeats that.
But there is like a long history of guys generally just like, not
being good, but like, maybe they have one season where they're
like, Oh, yeah, like this. This is a remember that guy most
likely. Most yeah, most likely, but
you're you're paying a price of 105 and I just think in the
context of the Chargers wide receiver room, it's like, I
don't know like is 1.2 and 1.2 yards for outrun to start your
career as like a kind of developmental like round 4
prospect like those that doesn't scream out as like terrible to
me. Also one of those seasons he had
over 100 targets on the season. So he's shown he can earn some
level of targets like he. Also, it has operated just, this
is sort of anecdotally just from like watching him, but he at
times was like filling in for Keenan Allen and then a time
kind of like a pure deep threat. And so he's moved around.
Versatile things. He's kind of versatile.
I think he came in as like kind of a deep threat, but it doesn't
have great. Speed.
Well, he played at Tennessee when they were like a giant,
giant mess. He was one of those guys where
the film guys were. It's just kind of impossible
There were film guys. Mike Renner?
Really. High Mike Renner loved him.
Yeah, remember, just from the film stuff.
So I don't know, I'm just keep in this wide open of wide
receiver room, especially in the context of Herbert going so
cheap. I do kind of like the Palmer
click when I've been kind of boxed out of other stacks.
Maybe I've been sniped on a Joe Burrow stack or something.
And like the Palmer, Herbert stack feels really good at cost
to me with how late both those guys are going.
No, I mean, I have 11% Palmer. I'm realizing that like the way
like, you know, Leonie's like on board with Davis''s point.
And then he says the thing at the end and then he's off.
This is this is me and you with these with these player
comparison things. Like Palmer.
Palmer. And then he's like, yeah, he's
basically just T Higgins. Hey, hey, man, try to argue with
the numbers. He's better than T Higgins.
I'm. Sorry, I've upgraded.
I've upgraded Palmer to a 4% exposure blanket.
I love that. Nice.
Yeah, I love that and. I'm only at 9 on Higgins so
maybe I maybe I agree with Sam after all.
Dude, I mean, we can just be I. I just can't wait for the year
where we can finally stop pretending that D Eggins is
good. It's it's coming in a couple.
Of years. I think it's coming.
I think once he. Signs with the Panthers next
year, we can finally stop pretending.
Yeah, you beat me. You beat me to it.
I was gonna say once he signs the Kenny Galladay Memorial
contract. Oh no.
So actually I did one up before
in the spirit of the show. We're, we're talking really deep
guys here. I'm curious, starting with
Ukraine, any, any of these guys like piqued your interest, the
Darius Davis, Brennan Rice, Cornelius Johnson, like not
necessarily drafting now, but like anything in their profiles
that like say we get some hype on them later in the year.
Are you intrigued by any of these guys?
Are you kind of ruling them out 'cause I'm, I'm somewhat
intrigued just with how wide open this depth chart is.
I'm not really that intrigued. I mean, we kind of know what
Shark is and he's probably going to, he's like the most likely of
these guys to do anything that we don't expect this offense to
be embracing the pass. So I think that the expensive
guys are the most the two most expensive guys are like we think
like what are we looking to do? It's like a guy who can come in
and just take a huge share of of the targets and kind of like put
the offense on his back. This actually, this offense is
one of those where you could see that happening where like, you
know, a Greg Roman offense isn't going to pass a ton, but it has
supported big target shares for guys.
Someone was noting, I think in the YouTube comments somewhere
that Sammy Watkins was originally in a Greg Roman
offense when he had his like one Goodyear.
So like there is, you know, it's kind of an old school offense.
Maybe they just funnel targets to to one guy.
I could see that being LAD. I could see it being Palmer and
I think both are reasonably priced.
They're not like screaming values.
But to me though, that's kind of the way that's sort of what I
see us doing here. I don't think it's Johnston.
I think when you flopped that hard as a rookie, like you're
couple years away from really doing anything even interesting.
So I I think if anything kind of Johnston and Charc provide a
higher percentage that it flows through Mcconkey or Palmer.
Well, I thought we'd get further in the show before I unleashed
my hottest take, which is that I think Brendan Rice is the best
Puka Nico candidate this year. Okay, damn.
Obviously my view made me assign a confidence interval on that.
It would be low, but he he kind of meets the things the in a in
a very similar way to puka. He transferred in college due to
some weirdness. He played on a weird college
team, like arguably one of the weirdest college teams with the
whole like final season at USC where like everything is just
crumbling around you, your quarterbacks crying in the
stands. You like it's just it's all it's
all a mess. He played with a bunch of other
NFL players. Before going first overall.
Before going for yeah, just very, very bizarre the final
season. But we've got we've got you
know, he plays with Jordan Addison Taj Taj Washington and
one other wide receiver whose name I forget who are now all on
on on NFL rosters. Very solid combine for his size
6221045 like not like not like a crazy one, but he got on the
field really young and I Crane I don't have access to any of like
this the yards per route run and all that stuff.
But I'm going to guess. He probably was was pretty
strong in those two. .75 last year.
Yeah, he just played and he scored.
He scored 12 touchdowns. I mean, that is that was a huge
chunk of their offense last year.
And he was the weirdly, he was the only USC wide receiver who
did not rotate a ton. USC would do this really
annoying thing where wide receivers would only play like
50% of the snaps they had. They had 11 guys with over 13
receptions which is very bizarre for a college team.
This and this is the most wide open depth chart in football I
think. Yeah, I I don't hate the take
and I do think back to the puka point.
Brandon Rice I think gets dinged in some models like J JS because
his yards per team pass attempt I think is pretty weak, but his
yards for route run is actually pretty good.
I don't think it was like Puka Nakua levels in college.
But again, that discrepancy, sometimes he gets lost a little
bit in these models. So yeah, maybe there's a story
there where I, I don't know why that there's that discrepancy.
Maybe he was banged up. Maybe he was a wide receiver
rotation. Not exactly sure, but that's
something positive there with him.
I I do think like Davis, are you drafting him now?
Are you waiting to see some hype?
Not. Not like a lot, like I'm not
like I don't have like 40% bread and rice bags.
But like if Greg Dorch is gone at the end of a draft, yeah.
I, I mean, I, I, I think there's an edge in that in the, in that
they're like, so let's say Brendan Rice is for sure making
the team or whatever. You know, it becomes pretty
clear he's going to play, maybe even play over Quinn Johnston.
He starts to get drafted all the time in ADP combinations that
are not possible because of other stuff.
Like there will be teams that you can draft right now with
18th round Brendan Rice that you will not be able to on August
22nd. I think just a, just a
challenge, a challenge to, you know, if you happen to be like
professionally covering the chargers just like right up.
Like, just like the rookies, What's what's going on?
You'll get so much. You'll get so much engagement.
Yeah, you would get a lot of engagement.
Let me tell you there is a hole right now in the market.
Arizona, Arizona Cardinals and the Los Angeles Chargers.
It's like, it's like the worst beat situations in in the league
somehow. I like, I haven't heard anything
about Brendan Rice, but I don't know that that says anything
about Brendan Rice 'cause I haven't heard anything about
Kamani Vidal either. And, and from what we like.
So Kyle Dvorak did a deep dive on Vidal and he like listened to
podcasts and stuff and he was like, yeah, like everyone thinks
he's making the roster. Like he, they think Spiller's
going to be on practice squad. He's making the roster.
So like it's not even that he's not on like the team's radar.
They just aren't writing about him.
It's a wide open backfield that they are not writing about.
So I don't know. I, I, it's probably just out of
sight, out of mind a little bit. And also he did go in the
seventh round, which even though.
This was no, this was the pick. This was no, no, it's not.
This was the point I wanted to get.
I mean, obviously it's not as good as being a third round pick
or whatever, but or. Even fifth round, like seventh
round, is scary. If you wanted to make an
argument for why it is in any way interpreted as positive,
it's that even spending a seventh round pick for a guy who
plays no special teams, he's not going to return kicks.
He's not going to like Jerry Rice's kid is not playing punt
gunner. It's not happening.
You take him there because you think there's a chance that he
can be he. Might be playing punt gunner.
He, he just wouldn't, I, I literally think he just would.
He'd be like, I'm not, it's not happening for me.
Like, do you know who my dad is? I, I'm guess I'm gonna guess he
plays no special team. He just plays no special team.
So either he's making the roster as the 4th wide receiver, or
he's just not making the roster. Yeah.
Yeah, that. I mean, if if I don't know
anything about, are you saying that because he didn't play
special teams in college or do you think that's just because
he's Jerry Rice's son? He didn't play special teams in
college and OK. And he's not a good athlete, I
guess. Really.
It it would be and and Cornelius Johnson is was not a good wide
receiver in college, but is like just like he's going to be the
new Matthew Slater for. Harbaugh, so he's that's the guy
I wanted to touch on really briefly.
Again, obviously not drafting him now, but if if anyone on the
charges wants to cover the team and he gets some hype, I would
be interested because A he played at Michigan with
Harbaugh. So he has the familiarity there.
And BI guess three reasons. B absolute freak athlete 9.91
Ras he's 63212 ran a 44440. So he could be like if Quinton
Johnson just sucks, they could be like this is the new freak
athlete guy. We're just going to get on the
field for screens whatever. And last thing there were some
positive notes in his profile. I was looking at J JS pre NFL
draft prospect model stuff today and you know, some of his stuff
looks better in the context of the low volume offense at
Michigan. He was playing alongside other
NFL players like Roman Wilson. So you know, JJ's, you know,
paraphrasing JJ was like, if you squint, this isn't like the
worst 6th 7th round wide receiver ever.
So I do think there's there's just some slight positives with
him that make him intriguing if there's sort of any hype that we
get later in the offseason. Let me just share this with the
people here. So when you search the athletic,
just control that. For anyone interested on the
Chargers, here's what you get. Are the people nerdy enough to
know that sound? Are they?
Do they know? Do they know about that?
Yeah. You, you get you get nothing on
Vidal. You get nothing on Brennan Rice.
You get nothing on Cornelius Johnson.
You get nothing. You.
Get nothing This, by the way, this that was literally from an
article titled Chargers prepared to to move to El Segundo.
Plus other notes from final day of mini camp.
Other notes from final day of mini camp maybe note maybe note.
Some interesting stuff about that would be a good thing to
note. Yeah, it's, it's frustrating.
It's insane. Let's talk here about the
Patriots. I think this.
Is truly this will be quick. Yeah, I mean, there's only like
10 to 12 wide receivers that we have to talk about here.
So should breeze right through it.
Where where do we start here, Pat?
I've been, I think the top three, I guess my, my quick take
away is Polk, Demario, Douglas, Javon Baker.
I want all of them, especially Polk and and Douglas I think.
But I like all three of these guys a lot.
Where are you on the the Patriot stuff?
Yeah, I think Polk is one of the best picks in the entire player
pool. You get the Drake may upside.
I think it was Madison Park Hill is underlining this of like, if
you're not that interested in the Drake May, you know,
starting when does he start and all that, Polk is the cleanest
way to play it because you're getting the upside of
potentially Brissette playing well early in early in the
season. The other thing is that like I
so I was not excited when they drafted Polk, given that I would
I'm really rooting for Drake May.
I think he's a great prospect already had a decent amount
invested in him by the point that he was drafted.
And you know, Polk is not like the most high upside archetype
of of receiver, but he's kind of like this professional kind of
kind of Rogers compared him to Chris Godwin as like his his
upside comp for him. But that's sort of you know,
he's going to he's going to do stuff over the middle.
He's he's got really good hands. But as far as like betting on a
guy to make an immediate impact in a wide open depth chart, that
that's a pretty good archetype, right?
Like be a professional. Like being a professional is
enough to make a pretty big impact.
Now in year two, year three, is Polk going to hold off?
Like if they bring in like a really, really talented wide
receiver next year with like the overall pick or T Higgins?
And is he going to be awesome? Well, yeah.
So you get old after the Higgins, but I mean, you know.
He's basically Josh Palmer, but. Like he's basically just Josh
Palmer. But like, yeah, that's where you
start to wonder if Polk's gonna have that high of a ceiling.
But I mean, just being a competent, solid professional at
pick 140 and then Drake May is good.
That's a that leads us to a big win.
So Polk, I think is just a smash right now.
I've actually been trying to take more of him.
I already am at 21% and he's, I feel like I've been a little bit
too light. I'd like to I'd like to get up
like I think he's kind of a player.
You should I. I want to be at like 25% + 1
poke right now. You got to be at 25% plus of
every Huskies wide receiver last year.
That's that's the key to to winning DBM.
That's how we that's how we went.
Yeah. That reflects my exposures from
the big board, so I hope that works.
Davis, anything. I think we've talked a lot on
Polk here. Anything on on Douglas or or
Baker or some of these other later Patriots.
Any other guys target? I think the the inconvenient
truth for the Jalen Polk bags might be Demario Douglas, who is
already a competent professional wide receiver who's demonstrated
an ability to get open at the NFL level, didn't score any
touchdowns. I don't know how much you can
really hold that against him given the context, the offense
that he was in. They were the, I got to remember
off the top of my head last 30 years.
They were one of the thirty lowest scoring offenses period
in terms of touchdown production, like historically,
historically bad. And I guess Polk played a lot
out of the slot in Washington. I think he's Cape.
I think the ball knowers say he's capable of doing both
things of of kind of like what we're actually talking about
with the Chargers. I worry.
I think Pat is correct about Polk.
He's the better ceiling guy. He's a good bet to get on the
field quite quickly. I worry that both his floor and
his ceiling are impacted by Douglas, who just like is not
going to go away, who just like is going to be on the field and
and earn some variety of targets.
I think we I think we found our Tutu here.
Yeah. So, so it's actually, I think
that's actually, I think that's actually a good comp.
He just is like going to be on the field.
He's going to earn some targets, probably more targets than
Atwell, but has, you know, a much lower average depth of
target. I would argue that Douglas is
probably the one that's most sensitive to May being as good
as Corrine, and I think he is where if he is actually quite
good. If he is, let's not even say
good. Let's say he's the 16th best
quarterback in the NFL this upcoming season, which would
definitely be a win for Pat and I and A win for Sam as well.
Who wants to? Root we just go ahead and lock
that in. Is that is that possible?
Yeah, I take, I think I take that.
I take that right now. I think that's huge for Douglas
because it means he can go from being I don't know, I'm trying
to think of a good comp like A and Eddie Royal style player,
you know, just like totally fine to a guy who can like actually
score 13.1 half point PPR points per game or something, which is
high. That's a high bar.
You know, that's not that's not nothing.
Obviously the inconvenientest truth is KJ Osborne, who reports
seem to suggest is like not only going to make the team, but
might even be considered number one in the wide receiver
hierarchy right now. None of which is to say my
favorite one is Javon Baker, because Baker has the most
correlated ceiling to May in my opinion.
Where if May is who I think he is, The one that he
stylistically fits with the best is Baker.
Baker's just Davontes Walker the Davontes Walker role that May
excelled with so much at at UNC. Yeah.
Yeah, I think the Demario like could, you know, if you just
look at like not much else being functional is good enough.
Like Hunter Renfro had 1000 yard season back in 2022, back in
2021. Sorry, thousands.
Easy said this in the chat earlier that the better exercise
here is not finding this year's Nakua, it's finding third year
Hunter Renfro, who finished wide receiver 9 1/2 PPR.
Yeah, I mean that that's potentially Douglas.
Like I, I, I like Douglas. I take Douglas.
My general bet on the Patriots is just betting on the Patriots.
Just take all I like Polk, I like Douglas, I like Baker, I
take Osborne. Do you guys, do you guys want to
do another mystery wide receiver game with the Mary Douglas?
Yeah, let's do it. You're going to love this one.
All right now. This is this.
This is. You guys, you guys were too
early. You guys were just a little too
early. You knew I was going to get to
an event. There was only there was only
two guys it could it could possibly be on either of.
Those I mean, again, in the context of the offense he was in
last year. I mean Demario Douglas is better
than JSN. I don't know how you can argue.
With the other one, I love this. I'm actually.
On this one he might be. I think unironically had Demario
Douglas gone to Ohio State he'd have been like a second round
pick probably. How many?
What would he have done in that in that final game that JSN
went? Well, he was getting covered.
He was getting covered by Micah Bernard, a running back, so he
probably would have just went nuts.
Imagine that those routes against our running back that is
3. 100 yards in that bowl game, Sam.
Sam, you find 3. 100 yards in that bowl game, yeah, against
the backup running back playing corner was super impressive.
Sam, Sam finding that in the peak of JSN like everyone,
because JSN was the prospect that offseason where everyone
tried to be higher on him than everyone else.
And Sam going totally the other way and being like they had a
running back covering this guy in his game.
Like, let maybe let's settle down.
Sam, you, you should parade that around more truly.
Well, you can't, because you're in on him now.
It's just his wrist bro. It's.
His wrist. Yeah, he's.
Dropped impressed you're. JSN I I think he's a totally
average pick this year, but my I don't know like I don't like I
don't like talking about it 'cause my brand is is anti JSN.
So yeah, we'll edit this part out, but.
Sam's gonna win mini. The mini Schnauz are three with
with 100% JSN. That is the correct way to play.
You know, like we're Bayesian, we got to update prices change
and all that, but just don't talk about it.
Don't talk about how you're in on JSN, no.
No, don't talk about it. It's just it's just going to
look worse for you when he inevitably is worse than the
Mario Douglas, which he clearly is by the numbers.
So just, I mean, the numbers don't lie, you know?
The numbers literally don't not. I mean, this is these are passes
guys from Bailey Zappy and Mack Jones.
God, if Drake May is the 16th best quarterback.
Oh, come on. Come on, Drake.
Please be good. Yeah.
Now can I admit something amongst friends real quick here
before we do this, I'm starting. I am getting worried because all
the Patriots people I follow, they are, they are not
optimistic about this team. They are like, they are like,
this is the worst offensive line ever.
Yeah, the offensive lines, apparently.
There's a bunch of 20 year old wide receivers with the 22 year
old quarterback. There's no adult in the I guess
Hunter Henry is the adult pass catcher.
It's new head coach, new OC, first time had Jerrod Nail was
playing like nine years ago like this.
Like it could, it could if May is not like if May is not, it's
not even about his ability. I think it's like if he's not
emotionally mature enough to handle all of this, like it
could be Zach Wilson. Like we could have bags of of
Zach Wilson for real. Yeah, I mean, it's it's
possible. Like you, you part of the appeal
with the rookie quarterback is we don't know yet.
And one of the things you sometimes learn is that, yeah,
we just don't know. But we didn't know what Zach
Wilson either. We didn't know what thought
that. No one thought that.
So you know, we could be, we could be very wrong.
It's definitely possible. Yeah, at least the Patriots have
taken like, this is not an impressive wide receiver depth
chart, but like, having born in Osborne as your wide receiver 4,
Wide receiver 5, it's at least like somewhat, well, it's gonna
be somewhat competent, right? Like, I don't know, maybe I'm
wrong about that, but they have a lot of players here like.
I think Bourne is good. It's just it's like the ACL.
Does he come? What does he look like coming
back up the ACL? But if he's the guy we had in
the last. Pedro Osborne is is cromulent.
Yeah, he's cromulent. I do think we're we're gonna
continue to get cheap prices on these younger guys because I
mean, just just be ready for the reports that Born and Osborne
are playing with the starters because I think we're getting
those. They're already.
They're already there. KJ Osborne is the wide receiver
one, per all the most recent reports.
Yeah, I'm pretending. I mean his stats in Minnesota.
Are the wide receiver one? I heard that he was clearly
start. No this is I I just read it
yesterday I don't even remember what outlet from but I mean it
doesn't mean anything it's it's July 1st but.
He's like a career like 13% targets for outrun, like one
like right around one yards for outrun.
Like it I'm I'm kind of pretending he doesn't exist.
I think it's fine to pretend he doesn't exist still.
I mean, he's, he's in the rankings and everything upside,
but I mean, he's and Sacrilegious has been talking
about him every day since February.
Yeah, why is sacrilegious so obsessed with him, man, But he
keeps. Being more right and I'm very
annoyed by it cuz I'm just like I don't wanna have to think
about this. Chad is right.
It just said he was starting. Just said he was starting OK,
not the number one. That's what I'd read.
So I mean, I think Pope has a very clear path to being the
number one and then maybe like Demario Douglas has a clear path
potentially to having the highest targets for outrun, but
he's not going to run all the routes because he's like an
undersized slot. So, you know, I think that those
are the two best ways to play it.
They're also the two most expensive, but they're very
cheap. Javon Baker.
I want to get some more thoughts from you guys on him because
like on the one hand, you know, if we're just looking for puka,
he was a it's. Not the it's not the right
stylistic thing 'cause I don't think he's can get that many
targets. Probably not, but what are we
looking for, right With puka? We want to see some flashes of
efficiency, maybe moved around to different schools.
This guy started at Alabama. I think that's, I think to get
the new puka, they had to have transferred.
They had to have transferred to that role.
You had to have transferred in common, yeah.
Four years had to be in the COVID because it's so this is
going away soon. And then you got to then you got
to transfer. He had 3.21 yards per route run
in his final season, 2.53 over the course of his career, which
is solid. Not like crazy puka levels, but
he was, he like flashed a little in very limited routes at
Alabama and then was really good this final season at UCF.
So then you got land on a depth chart where there's immediate
opportunity, which I think there very clearly is.
I just don't know if he's any good at all and I haven't heard
that much hype on him. It seems like the hype's more on
Douglas and Polk. By this time last year we
actually had already a decent amount of puka hype.
So the pattern matching stuff is pretty good for Baker, but he he
just might not be that good. Yeah, I feel similar and I do
think like compared to Polk and Douglas, he has the highest risk
of just like we don't hear from him at all this season that that
said, I still I still have been clicking him a lot because
again, like I really like Polk, but if Polk is the best wide
receiver on the depth chart, that's the most NBUS depth chart
in the league. Like we don't we don't really
know if Polk is good. So I still really like getting a
guy. He was drafted what, in the 1st
5 picks of the fourth round, like very close to round 3,
three draft capital. I still think it's for all the
reasons you said, Crane. I think it's still a very good
like archetypal bet. It's just like know, know that
this is a a chance of getting a zero here.
But again, even worst case scenario, are they not like
seeing what they have in him a little bit down the stretch?
I still think you have that out even if he's like not part of
their plans at all to. Start Well, I'm going to, I'm
going to invoke. I'm going to invoke a name that
really, really shouldn't say on the show.
But like the whole thesis for why people want to take Taekwon
last year was because he was the only guy on the roster who could
move his body. And I think that is true of
Baker Now. He, he's the only, I mean, I
guess Osborne was kind of in that role for Minnesota, but
Baker is Baker's the guy who you, you close your eyes week 17
against the Chargers and he's catching a 70 yard bomb.
Yeah, that's, that's, you're just hoping he gets on the field
by the end of the season and he's priced, you know, the
earliest you're really taking him is 15th round.
He's available in the last round of a fair amount.
So I, I have more Baker than I'm really comfortable with.
He's my second highest drafted receiver because I'm in, I'm
into the Patriots in one way or another in a lot of these
drafts. And then I get to the end, I'm
like, yeah, Javon Baker fits, but I just, I don't have the, I
don't have that level of confidence that he's actually,
you know, going to be anything but it is.
He has enough draft capital to where if he's decent he'll get a
shot. Depth charts wide open
correlated with potentially a a quarterback is way better than
people realize. It's just a pretty.
It's a pretty obvious one. Yeah, I agree.
So one hour in, we've gotten through.
Two, Yeah, I, I was going to say this might have been, this might
have been a bit of an ambitious docket for these.
Three just to derail us while we before we get to the third if if
we if we want to do a trade right.
The Chargers clearly need some more beats.
The Patriots have got a lot of great.
They've they've got like 90. The Patriots didn't have any
more beat writers. If someone just started the.
New Patriots blog today. Yeah, if you're if you're
looking for a little less crowded environment, maybe head
over here, head over here to San Diego.
We gotta just get to settle down.
Cover the chargers. Yeah, yeah.
Let's get Mike Reese just covering every team.
That guy, that guy is dialed into the Patriots stuff.
You can still cover the Chargers from San Diego, by the way,
'cause no one, no one's watching them in person.
You don't have to go either. Just, yeah, phone in, see.
See what's going on with Kamadi Vidal.
Crane, you should have you should just hire a a chargers
beat reporter for legendary upside like it's why not?
I mean, just start branching out.
You're right there. I'm I'm honestly tempted.
I'm pretty tempted. OK, getting on to so this list
of. Teams here Carolina, Carolina
will be really quick. There is no Pukunuku on a team
that's going to throw for 2800 yards.
OK, that's that's probably true. Let let me just set this up a
little before we get into Carolina.
These these teams here, I categorize these teams as teams
that have clear wide receiver ones, but not alpha wide
receiver ones. And we'll get to that list
later. But all these teams have wide
receivers going in the top 90 picks.
They're all proven NFL players that have had good NFL seasons
on the track record, but they're not elite stars.
There's not CD Lamb on this list, there's not Garrett Wilson
on this list, etcetera. So I do think the Chargers one
can maybe be kind of a quick conversation.
There's there's not really like deep guys to talk about here.
I think similar to the pull conversation, I do like Leggett
quite a bit, just betting on a first round wide receiver in NFL
draft going at pick 138. I do think for certain reasons
he's he's worse than Pole because Deante Johnson's there.
But again, I want to be open to the possibility that he's just a
really good player. Yeah.
Pat or Davis, you've made your thoughts clear on the Panthers.
Curious, curious Ukraine, how do you, how do you legate maybe
compared to like Piersall and Pole because that's often the
choice that you have around that ADP?
Yeah, I mean, I, I like Leggette.
I don't love Leggette. I didn't think he was a great
prospect. And I don't, I have a harder
time getting excited about the Panthers than I do about some of
these other teams. Like they're going to be, I
think a lot more competent. But like, you know, if we're
getting kind of a Baker level, like, oh, he's, he's actually
fine, you know, if you're. If you're a canalist, bro,
Leggett is like such a good pick.
Like such a good pick. But even as you know, even if
we're betting on canalist, like we're we're getting competence,
but are we getting like, oh, damn.
Like the Panthers are lighting it up.
Like I don't, I don't even think the Panthers think that.
Like that's not even their plan. They to me, it's more like
playing it through Jonathan Brooks is the way to play the
Panthers delivering on what they're trying to do.
Like they they're gonna wanna be a balanced team, probably
slightly run first or maybe even more than slightly run first.
So I'm I'm at 8% Leggett. I like Polk substantially more
because I think you just have those like higher end outcomes
where May is awesome and like slinging it and you know, you're
getting you're getting volume and efficiency down the stretch.
I have a harder time seeing it with Bryce Young after the
rookie year that we just got. I think it's more likely that
like, oh, no, he's actually competent.
But Deante Johnson's there. We know what Deante Johnson
does. Like he's going to get his
Targets, you know, And then so Leggette's like a smaller win,
which I think is fine. Like, I think he's priced
perfectly fine. Like, like I said, I'm even.
Yeah. Yeah, All right, let's move on
to another team. I just want to get one thing on
the record. If you've already drafted a
bunch of wide receiver, rookie wide receivers and your team,
Adam Thielen at pick 160, totally fine pick for the early
season stuff. I I just think his projection
versus ADP is insane like it is going to tail off, but if you
already have made a lot of late season bets, I just want it on
the record. That's not a bad pick.
Let's talk here the Broncos. I think this is actually one of
the more interesting ones. Again, not truly Puka Nakua
'cause these guys are still getting drafted the Troy
Franklin and Marvin Mims here, but I think this would.
Definitely be the puka. Franklin's the single best bet
to be Nakua. Yeah, I, I think Franklin.
More, more Amanah. It's a different architecture
like but guy with a strong statistical profile falls to day
three of the draft and is then available in the final rounds of
best ball. And he didn't he's on a he
didn't transfer. He's a three-year guy.
So he's he I'm saying he's a he's Amanah.
He's not he's not puka, he's Amanah.
But then we get, you know, this depth chart is wide open, right?
And what was the other thing about Amanrah?
He perfectly fit his quarterback.
Jared Goff's underneath. Dude, that's perfect.
You know what else is perfect? Having already played with the
quarterback in college, he's twos to have a connection.
So to me, I mean, Franklin, I was obviously disappointed with
the draft capital. And I'm like, I don't know, I'm
not feeling great about clicking him.
If if anyone other than the pretty obvious, if anyone other
than Knicks was his quarterback, like if this was him going to go
play with Nick Mullins or something or even like Goff or
what. Just like a good quarterback but
not his literal college quarterback, I I would be
lessened into it. I'm pretty into Mims too.
I'm pretty. Into Mims too, yeah.
I'm out on Sutton. I know.
Like, yeah, like I get all the reasons I prefer Tyler Lockett.
Like I, I don't know, I just I'm not, I'm not a Sutton bro, like
at at all. I, I like Franklin.
I like betting on Franklin and Mims.
One of those two really emerging down the stretch versus hoping
that Cortland Sutton can sun run touchdowns again.
That's that's just how I'm playing it.
Also keep in mind this team is going to throw what's the
funniest number, I could say 203 passes to running backs this
year or something. Like it's going to be the, the,
the degree to which these running backs on this roster are
going to get targeted is going to make your head spin.
It's going to be it's going to be all over the place.
And I think you just, I think you just kind of mix Franklin
and Mims. I don't think it makes sense to
take 20 in one and zero with the other.
I think you just take a lot of them.
And Knicks now is kind of my favorite backdoor fit like last
round of quarterback. I I might even like him more
than May now. I'm at 13% Mims and 10%
Franklin. So I've got more Mims than
Franklin, but I'm as I was like, I think you should.
Change that. I think I should change that.
I think it should be Franklin higher, yeah.
I, I think I don't know. I so I think I'm, I agree with
you guys on the pro Franklin stuff.
I, it sounds like I'm less in on Mims than you.
It's just I don't know, man. He, he ran like 250 routes last
year and got 32 targets, like 13% targets for route run again,
like he, he had some splash plays.
He he could be like, certainly like at his.
Price, I think. I think I have information that
can change your mind, truly. Let's hear it.
Sean Payton does this shit with young players.
Do you remember when he when he said about Mark Ingram, the only
thing holding him back is me? And it was real that he actually
meant it and then he stopped holding him back and he was
awesome. I mean if Sean Payton just does
this with guys he will just like randomly bench guys, rotate them
in for no reason and then just bring them back.
Like I I don't really see any reason why he can't run 70% of
their outs. I mean maybe he's KJ handler,
maybe he's sky more like all that's possible.
I I would argue that Mims in like 4 games showed more than
either of those guys ever in the NFL.
Yeah, but I don't know. Yeah, I, I, I don't like it's,
I'm not totally writing him off, but like, it's two guys that are
effectively the same price in drafts and one of them like he
had a bad rookie year and it's kind of hard to squint and like
tell another story. Like it's, it's not like, like
the guys keep him off the field. Again, you could argue it's
weird Peyton stuff, but like he wasn't getting on the field over
like Brandon Johnson and Lil Jordan Humphrey.
I'm just like pretty concerned about that and don't want to
make too many excuses for a guy that had 13% targets for outrun.
Just give me give me the mystery box in this scenario.
Like I think I I'd want to. I haven't done enough drafts to
like reflect this in my exposures, but I think I would
want 15% Franklin and 3% MIM something.
Oh wow. Yeah, Mimbs is so cheap that I
think it makes sense to go back in second round pick did Flash,
you know, over the course of the whole season.
It wasn't great, but there was those you know, early in the
season. He led the he led the team in
receiving yards despite playing like 6 snaps a game for like 6
weeks. Yeah, but then he'd like, didn't
have a catch like the rest of the season, basically.
Well, you remember that stretch where it seemed like he was
actively shaving points? He had like 3 fumbles on three
touches. It was like one was on a punt
return, one was on a screen. Like.
Like you just you just like it's the kind of thing that makes you
so infuriated in season and then you completely forget about it
when you're drafting best ball team six weeks later or six
months later. I I think Mims is the type of
profile you don't write off after a very uneven rookie year.
That's my opinion. That's how I feel too.
And you know, Peyton has said a lot of stuff about Mims and it's
really difficult to know if he's just like completely full shit
on it or what. But one of the things he said
was we basically couldn't play him in the role we wanted to
play him in because we had Jerry Judy and then they traded Jerry
Judy. That's all that's low key a
pretty big actually that's a good not even low key.
It's kind of a high key vote of confidence in Mims.
Being able to eat snaps is trading away Judy.
I mean, that's what Peyton was like.
He was literally the he's the Jerry Judy and we had a Jerry
Judy. So they put him in some other
role and that role might have been to like clear out safeties
or whatever. You know, like it's possible
that he's just in a truly different role this season and
is good and he flashed enough and he had enough draft capital
and he's a pretty good prospect, right.
You prospect profile Mims was the better prospect and
Franklin, given the draft capital, you know, both had good
statistical profiles. Second round versus fourth round
makes a big difference. So I, I, I think you want to be
overweight on both. In my opinion.
I think you want to maybe at least even with on Mims.
I I don't think fading Mims at this price.
I don't know. Yeah, I guess.
I bet too. Like, yeah.
I, I hear where you guys are coming from.
I don't know a couple other things like there's not a full
sample on it, but Matt Harmon charted some of Mim's rookie
year data and I believe this is the beginning of the season
data. Again, I think he only charted
like 90 routes, but he had a 42% success rate versus man.
If you go through Harmon's data, that's like like 60% is not that
good of a figure like 40% is like Quinton Johnston territory.
So again, just another data point that I think some of the
stuff that he did in college was a little bit gimmicky.
I mean, he'd be like the 90th Oklahoma wide receiver in a row
to look incredible in Oklahoma and then not be good in the NFL.
I just the people who watch this film from his rookie year, I'll
just say are are like, no one I've listened to has been like,
Oh yeah, Marvin Mims. Flash I do, I do love it's been.
All like bad film reviews. So I don't know, 13% targets for
Outrun and bad film. I'm just like, I don't know man.
I I do love this thing we do on this show where we all just give
no authority to our ability to watch football and interpret
what's happening. So we say the people who watch
film, it's never. It's never.
Oh, when I was watching them, it's always, it's always.
Yeah, when I was reading this article about success rate, this
guy who watched the film said XY and ZI mean the bit.
I've been watching, you know, some of the.
I watch highlights. I watch I I love watching
highlights and I've been watching there's some cut UPS
that I've been watching. I should give the the channel a
shot curtain call replays does like full season cut UPS of all
the touches. So it's not just the highlights.
Actually, it's all the all the touches and for a player in a
given season. So I've been going on watching
some of the the running backs 'cause there's such that big
pocket. I'm just like, let me just like
re familiarize myself with all these games, you know, and Devon
a Chan who I just watched breath of fresh air after watching all
of these guys on the ground. I was like, OK, yeah, like this
dude is he is the guy. So, you know, well, I don't, I'm
not like breaking down like which hole a guy hit, but but I
do just some. Extent I think there is there is
granular information to be gained from watching that type
stuff because you because it helps you envision what a coach
would be thinking about how much can I give this guy the ball and
in what situations can I give this guy the ball that helps
with projections. Oh, for sure, yeah.
It's just to do 2 tape analysis is is it's a time consuming
thing and. Very time.
It's easier to type in the old PFF search bar.
Yeah, and I, I do think that's like the next, there's actually
a very interesting Savage Run podcast on like the next
frontier of analytics and this like player tracking stuff,
which we're getting more and more of that that's kind of like
marrying film and analytics to some degree.
That's that's going to be the next wave of stuff in the NFLI.
Don't know if US fantasy football people will ever get
access to. I think we will eventually,
yeah. I think there's enough people
doing it that someone's going to be like, yeah, the teams won't
buy it. I'm just selling it to the
public. Yeah, I'm just waiting for that
in like 3 years. Yeah, that that is the next
frontier there. But yeah, I don't have anything
to say on these late guys. Just just know that we'll get
the blurbs on Josh Reynolds and Tim Patrick playing with the
ones those are those are. Comments.
I'm sure it's already there. I'm sure, I'm sure.
Tim Patrick looks fully recovered from his 19th
consecutive catastrophic summer ending injury.
Man, Colts here this is again. This is maybe a little outside
the realm of the puka Nakua stuff, so we can keep this
pretty quick. There, there, there's no puka.
There's no puka. Yeah, but I I like downs
especially just bet on talent late.
ADP Pittman's probably a a very good wide receiver, but maybe
not a truly great one. Crane, are you in a a Matrix
chase right now? Like are you, are you going down
the highway with Neo? What is going on?
There sounds though, yeah, there's some, there's some
landscaping being done Outback. Yeah, 80 Mitchell.
Good pick Downs, good pick Pittman.
If there's a puka, it's Mitchell, right?
He's he's the dude. I mean high upside guy, some
holes in the profile. Transfer.
Transfer doing well in mini camp, right?
Kind of the reverse puka where his flashes weren't yards per
hour and his yards per hour was horrible, but there were flashes
come on there. Were more there were more than
flashes for 80 Mitchell. He was a legit difference maker
for multiple College Football Playoff.
Teams, well, I'm just saying the efficiency was was really bad,
unlike Buca. Yeah, yeah, 8080.
Mitchell's a good player. I don't know if there are going
to be enough passing attempts for the Colts for all these guys
to be good picks, but 80 Mitchell's a good pick, good
player. Let's move here to the Steelers.
I think this one's interesting just because George Perkins is
obviously good. Then after that, like the team
seems to have forgotten that their second round pick, Roman
Wilson, exists. So the Beats are talking about
Calvin Austin, Quez Watkins, Van Jefferson, Scottie Miller.
I've been playing this one again, not not in the spirit of
today's conversation, but I've been playing this one mostly
through Fryer Muth in the passing game in Pittsburgh, a
tight end that had a very exciting rookie year, a prospect
we liked. I think he he showed enough to
me early in his career that I'm willing to bet on sort of the
later career breakout for him and the depth chart.
I don't know, like it's there's just there's no one here.
So barring a trade, I think Fryer Muth is someone that could
just eat a ton of targets this year.
But curious what you guys think you are you looking at any of
these wide receivers or do you agree on playing it through the
tight end? I do take Pickens now.
Yeah, I, I take Pickens now too. I don't have a ton of them.
Every time he's definitely on the Ridley trajectory where
every time I'm like, OK, you know what?
You guys are right? I should take more Pickens and
they're. Like it's more expensive?
It's picks more expensive now, not a little more like a full
half a round. So I can't I I'm I'm still
chasing on Pickens. Maybe I'll get there eventually.
But you know where where he was priced 3 weeks ago I actually
think was was sharp even though I didn't take him then.
So the Pickens thing to me can be explained like this, which is
just like, I've literally seen him do it.
I just have literally already seen him do it.
Just like to to be the absolute guy you need.
I loved him as a prospect. Like I've got him on a bunch of
my God because I I've got him on a bunch of these dynasty teams
because like number and overall recruit weird college career
tore his knee, like came back too early probably.
He also apparently interviewed horribly.
Like Pickens and Mitchell both had these like awful personnel
interviews where teams are just like like the things people were
that I was kind of hearing about.
AD Mitchell was like AD Mitchell was like the worst interview.
Like he was just like coming in, like thinking he already had
accomplished all there was to accomplish and kind of similar
stuff. For for Pickens, but Pickens has
that dog in him. And if you are of the persuasion
that their worst 18 round picks, then Justin fields you, you set
yourself up a very nice emergency back door there.
Roman Wilson. I wish I found one blurb on him
from a radio guy and the radio guy said he stinks that he that
that he's like not doing good at these practices at all.
That doesn't seem good. No, there there was a whole
article in the athletic about him and it was like how hard the
wide receiver coach has been on him and that that's OK because
you know, he's he's willing to be coached, but it's like, and
why is he being so hard on him? Can.
We get more into that. Why does he need that much
coaching? Yeah, it sounds like he needs a
lot of coaching. That doesn't seem so good.
Reception perception, I don't think was particularly high on
him. I remember thinking he and
Pearsall were kind of similar as as types as sort of like bets
'cause they're both sort of slot guys and everything.
But there was some exception on one of those guys was actually
pretty different, where Pearsall was like this legit route runner
and Wilson was more of like a speed slot guy.
And then I don't know, like that doesn't seem maybe to be
translating to the NFL super well so far.
So yeah, I've gotten pretty nervous about Wilson.
Calvin Austin's gotten some buzz.
It's a bit tough to get excited about Calvin Austin, though.
And even some of the stuff I was reading about him was like, he
probably will be the wide receiver, too, but it's not
going to be like, in a traditional sense.
So like he might, yeah. Any anytime I start here.
That sounds so bad, Arthur. Smith offense and not Arthur.
Smith offense. It's like, better learn Scottie
Miller, buddy. Yeah.
So I think Fryermuth is is the way to play and not one that I I
hadn't been taking a lot of Fryermuth.
You know, he wasn't very good last year and he you know, he
did flash before that and now I'm not that excited about the
offense from like a passing volume perspective, obviously.
So that's like, man. And then like, what if Darnold
Washington gets some run? But the Darnold Washington
height doesn't seem that that worrying as far as you know, is
firearmouth going to going to run enough routes?
It seems like he will. So I'm starting to warm up to
Fryarmuth as a pretty solid pick.
Yeah, didn't again, Yeah, didn't have a great season last year,
but he still has a season on record of 22% targets for
outrun. 1.7 yards for outrun in a sophomore year.
So tight end stuff is just weird and non linear and not easy to
predict. I'm just willing to like, make a
talent that I'm fryer with, even though it it certainly hasn't
been like a perfect run out to his early career.
Could easily be the number 2 target on this team.
Easily. Yeah.
I mean, I mean, we should assume that he.
Is probably right. Yeah, like, yeah.
And again, I, I think we can have the structural debate
later, but I, I do think elite tight end is a good strategy
this year. But if you miss out like the
Bowers at pick 100 and then Fryer moves at pick 134, feels
like a really fun way to counter that and still get that extra
elite quarterback in the 40s. Maybe you get a Pacheco in the
40s instead of elite tight end. I think that type of build is,
is really exciting. Let's talk here about the
commanders somewhat interesting one here with Luke McCaffrey.
I think he's the he is only puka candidate that stands out here,
but a very. He's the year 3 hunter Renfro,
but in year one. Yeah, but as a rookie?
Yeah, but I mean, that's kind of discount puka, really.
I think he's a bad stylistic fit for Daniels, probably who I
thought was best at at deep passing.
I like, I mean, I, I take all these guys.
I take Mclaurin, I take Dodson, I take McCaffrey, I take Senate.
Just because I take Commander, I take I want Daniels.
I want Daniels to let's see, I, I actually have been making
points to take a bit more Daniels in the puppy too.
The slows that I have gone 'cause I'm only at 7% overall,
but I I'm not playing it through Dodson.
That's the dude. I mean, this dude was first of
all, he was bad as a rookie. We all pretended he wasn't
because he scored touchdowns, but he was bad and that he
wasn't a good prospect other than the draft capital.
And then he was bad in his second year.
So like, I'm just, I'm just not doing it.
I'm not doing it. You got to give me a bigger
discount than this. I've taken him a few times,
correlated with Daniels on these puppies, but I have currently
0%. I have $14.00 of John Dotson in
completed drafts. I just I can't get there.
Luke McCaffrey, I like he's he's the Brian Robinson is the guy of
the most of all the commanders if the receiver's Luke McCaffrey
I have 15% of. God, Brian Robinson is such the
platonic ideal of a Sam Sherman player.
There could. There just couldn't be anyone
more on brand. He's he's, he's like a smash
right now. I, I'm at 17 percent on Brian
Robinson. He's a good pick.
Like they didn't get what did they give Eckler in terms of
money? Not much.
And we all thought he was washed.
And then Brian Robinson's just like hanging out doing his
thing. He was good last year.
He then drops in price. They bring in a mobile
quarterback who's going to specifically help his two down
running style. He also showed some
explosiveness in the passing game.
He was consistent in the run game.
I I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't disagree, but it is just
the most Sam Sherman ass sick. Honestly, if, if, if Brian
Robinson's name wasn't Brian Robinson, he would go in the
sixth round. And you, you can't tell me
otherwise. If his name was.
If his name was Tank Bigsby, five sixth turn. 5-6 Brian
Robinson just sounds like your buddy from college who works at
Deloitte now and you haven't really seen him in a couple
years. Just too busy, too busy working
doesn't doesn't get to hang out with the boys.
It's just the most boring name ever.
You text him to see if he can golf on Saturday and he texts
back and says he has to ask his wife 1st and you're.
Like, yeah, that's. This guy's name was Bruce Gibbs,
third round. 3rd Oh man. But yeah, I, I, I like Luko
Caffrey quite a bit. Again, I'm just, I'm a sucker
for these converted players. We've been over this.
But like, I I want to throw this out there.
Galaxy brain Jane Daniels gets injured.
How many games of Marcus Mariota is Cliff Kingsbury going to
watch before he's like? Luke.
McCaffrey was a quarterback.
He was not even a league, like he was not even an average
quarterback in Nebraska. Hang on, hang on.
Like he was bad. I have sometimes given Sam a
little shit for not making really high upside cases.
OK, Luke McCaffrey playing quarterback with the Commanders.
He's saying out brain and as exciting of an upside case as I
have ever heard. He's going to.
Be the emergency quarterback on game day, right?
If 22 guys get injured mid game he's he's got a full half a
grand quarterback. Oh, my God, I, I, I need more.
I'm at 15%. I should be at 20.
This, the, this the slight possibility of Luke McCaffrey
quarterbacking the Commanders. Yeah.
So so Luke McCaffrey in college, his his last season, the season
that they convinced him to get benched, he he had one
touchdown, 6 interceptions, 2.8 adjusted yards per attempt.
And then he decided maybe he would switch positions.
OK. Well, that's that's.
Probably better than Marcus Mario last year. 6 interceptions
on 76 attempts. That's so bad, Oh my God.
He needed another touchdown just to get to even.
Here's Here's the deal. If you're drafting on FFPCI,
would be careful about drafting McCaffrey as a wide receiver
because he might end up with the third quarterback.
If he lost my quarterback, it's yeah.
He's a full, he's a full fan on FPC.
You can't. You can't touch him.
Nathan Peterman numbers. Yeah.
Still still better than Tim Boyle's college stats.
That's not even a joke. That's.
That is, that is not even a joke.
That's true. That's.
Factual. All right.
Oh God, I'm. Still, I'm still excited about
the, you know, come on anyway, we can get a couple extra times.
Maybe just a a Taysom pill package for Luke McCaffrey.
Maybe that's more realistic. You know, they talked about him
in the backfield, haven't they? Hasn't that come up?
Yeah, they're going to use them on a trick play, like the same
way the Patriots use Edelman on trick plays to throw the ball.
There's definitely a Luke McCaffrey trick play.
Ad yeah, Oh my God, dude, think about it.
They're going to they're going to toss in the ball.
He's going to roll out Jahan Dotson wide open in the corner,
sails over his head, bounces off his hands.
I. I think, I think he meant, I
think he meant Zachary's. No, he'll yeah.
Just just passed blocking lineup and full back on that play by
the. Way the the only thing I've read
about Sennett is that he is playing as an H back thus far.
I I have heard that. Yeah, that that seems bad.
All right, so Dallas. I'm still dressing.
Dallas is a good one. This is a good one here.
It's it's a good one, but what I'm worried about is that the
offense might just like take a real step back.
They probably won't, but like Ryan Flournoy, bro, he's 26.
He was at Southeastern Missouri State.
Is that a Davis exaggeration or is he actually 26?
I I think he literally is 20. He might be 24.
Yeah, he's 24. He's.
Turning 25 this season, that's not that big of a lie.
Yeah, that's crazy. For for me a small lie.
Small lie. Yeah, man, I don't know what
Crane. Do you even know what the deal
is with Four? And I can't say I know anything
about him. I don't know that much about
him. And honestly, I think Brooks is
the guy. What we so one of the things of
puka, if we're looking for pukas, is that it was a very
uncomfortable click, at least for me.
Way too uncomfortable because I ain't clicking nearly enough.
But like, we're like, really this guy?
I don't know that to me. Like, I get that feeling pretty
strongly with Brooks, but he's making noise.
There's been some stuff of like, he's one of Dax's favorite
targets. Jalen.
Tolbert is the guy ahead of him. Jalen Tolbert stinks.
I have bad news, Corrine, you and you might just have this
amnesia problem with the Cowboys.
Jalen Brooks is not a rookie. Jalen Brooks was on the team
last year. The second year player?
No, I know. That now he he fulfills the
criteria it's. The first year the Crane's heard
of him, though. It is the first year heard of
him, but I did check. With he he transferred from AD
two school to to actually multiple D2 schools.
Wingate to Tarlington State to South Carolina.
He was denied eligibility for a little bit at at South Carolina,
so maybe that could explain a little bit of a late start.
I find it weird that a team that was really struggling to find
secondary pass catchers with with Gallup and Tolbert being so
bad that he didn't get any run last year.
But I mean, spinning that in a bullish way, which again, it's
definitely a stretch. I.
Know it's hard for you to do. The fact.
God damn it. The fact.
Well, actually, I should take that back.
Very easy for you to spin up. A positive thing for Jalen
Brooks, an undrafted free agent who was on the practice squad.
Very hard for you to be into T Higgins well.
Buddy, I could have done a we're.
Gonna get another mystery player thing here in a second dude.
Honestly, Jalen Brooks yards per outrun higher than T Higgins
last year. Don't ask me how many routes you
ran, but that is that is a fact I.
Don't think Jalen Brooks played. Yeah, no, he, he ran 33 routes
last year. So this, this data is like
completely, this is completely worthless data.
But he, he had 1.9 yards per outrun on 33 routes.
Take it, take it for what you want, but I mean, I don't know,
I I back to my original point, like they literally went into
the offseason and added nobody like they must have some, even
if it's like confidence in him as like a wide receiver of four,
they must have some confidence in these guys on the roster or
they're completely incompetent and it and it could be.
I wonder, I wonder this organization.
I wonder there's this organization that has
continually not found a way to pay Dak Prescott market value.
TCDCD doesn't want to show up the camp because everyone else
got his deal. You know how much money they
cost themselves by not just getting this deal done?
Yeah, when it was like, I don't think they're completely
incompetent, but they're not competent.
Yeah, I don't know. He he has been the guy getting
some hype though relative to Flournoy, and that could
obviously just be the incumbent bias, but I've seen people draft
Flournoy in the 18th round. I haven't seen anybody draft
Brooks. If I had to pick one right now,
I would pick Brooks over Flournoy.
I think the real answer is to to wait a little bit longer before
you make a call there. Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, I think so. To me though, I was taking some
Tolbert. He looked like early on, you
know, he's gonna be the guy who's, you know, the, he was a
good eighteenth round pick, correlated on hurt stuff or DAC
stuff, that kind of thing. That's when I was taking him.
I think I'd rather just take Brooks now if I was gonna take
one of these guys because, and I'm not, I'm not taking books.
I've literally never taken him. But like, I, I think I want the
mystery box. And there's been a little bit of
buzz about Brooks looking good and DAC throwing to him.
If you, I can't find, I, I literally read someone saying
that he was one of DAC's bigger targets.
I was just searching some athletic stuff and I, I didn't
find it, but I found, I can't remember where I, where I read
that. But it, there is stuff like if
you just search like the mini camp reports, like Brooks's name
comes up a decent amount and it's like he caught a pass from
DAC or he, you know, the incompletion from DAC.
So like he's getting reps with the ones partly 'cause I guess
Lamb's not there, but you know, maybe he's using that
opportunity to impress them enough to repass Jalen Tolbert,
which isn't that high of a bar. So, you know, if we look at if
we look at Puka, right, it wasn't just Tutu Van Jefferson.
Van Jefferson was getting drafted in like the one 60s or
whatever or wherever he went. So having a a guy who's like we
think going to eat snaps but then disappears was part of the
the puka breakout. I mean that Tolbert could be
cover here for one of these guys.
I my bet would be Brooks over Fournoy, but this this bears
monitoring. I think this.
It really does. This situation really bears
monitoring. Because I thought you were gonna
say in this scenario that cooks could be the Van Jefferson.
I mean, we're talking about a 30, what, 31 year old wide
receiver that flashed serious age Cliff concerns last two
years. So that's why I find this one so
exciting is it's not just Tolbert that could be a zero,
which I think he probably is. But Brandon Cooks is getting up
there in age too. It's true.
Again, I don't think like he's the worst pick just because
based on projection, I can I can totally see how you justify
Cooks on on occasion I pick 120. But yeah, I think this one is
worth monitoring. Again on Tolbert, why I prefer
the the mystery box in Brooks to Tolbert.
Tolbert's run 350 routes in his NFL career. 0.8 yards per out
run, 11% targets per out run like 340 routes.
Is is not like nothing like that's a decent amount of data
on a guide. Not many guys run that many
routes and are that inefficient and and do much in their NFL
career. So yeah, the Tolbert 1 is only
in stacks for me. I can stomach it, but even then
I I don't really want to make that click too much.
No, it's too it's too early, like the information is just too
low. He's just not like, so OK, in
the the why do we like this particular situation?
It's actually not very similar to the Rams last year.
No. Because you don't have CD Lamb
dealing with now, maybe the holdout is sort of the hamstring
injury. So maybe it's more similar than
I'm thinking. But CD Lamb is still the dude.
Like he's in the true prime of his career.
He's totally healthy. He they're going to resolve
this. He's going to get back out
there. He's going to dominate targets
in a way that, you know, maybe we thought Cooper caught Mike
last year, but he did it. So I think that we're really
playing for a solid #2 role or number or wide receiver two
role, right? But the guy needs to be good
here to really make impact. You need to you need the guy to
be talented because it's not like it's so wide open.
You know, Ferguson's going to get decent target share.
Cooks will get something. So we need a dude who can come
in here and take targets. Tolbert is not that guy.
And that's this where I was like, I was taking some of them
correlated and maybe he scores a touchdown on the right week or
whatever and that could be enough.
But like you are punting the chance to find a league winner
when you take Jalen, Jalen Tolbert, he he just cannot, he's
just not good enough. Like he maybe, maybe he gets
better over the course of a couple years, but this year he
is he's not going to come in here and make make him make his
presence felt. I just I just don't believe
that. So that's where if I was going
to take one of these guys, I would I would just take the
mystery box, even though Jalen Brooks is very likely a 0.
Saints are somewhat comparable situation, I'd say you have a
Lave as the clear #1A tight end in Juan Johnson that should be
some part of offense if he's healthy.
Rashid Shahid I'd say kind of similar to Cooks in the sense
that he's a wide receiver too, but a somewhat shaky wide
receiver too, obviously for different reasons than Cooks.
I find this a little bit less exciting though.
I I think you have a similar choice between the AT Perry bet
on a second year wide receiver who showed a little bit but was
mostly pretty bad as a rookie, and then the complete mystery
box in BUB means I think A6. Bub means.
Bub means could be real, real puka energy.
Tennessee, Louisiana Tech Pitt 1500 total yards ever in
college, 10 touchdowns in five seasons.
I mean bub means. Cray, do you have any prospect
notes on Bob Means? Is he someone you you looked
into at all? Not really let me let me pull
him up. He was not really high on my
list. Yeah, I, I think, you know,
looking at J JS model, he was pretty low there.
But again, yeah. He he actually has size, which
is kind of interesting because AT Perry, I kind of actually
kind of liked him last year and then he played a ton and just
earned no targets. I mean, I think my answer
looking at this might be Cedric Wilson plays more than we want
him to and Shaheed and Allah, they just get a lot more targets
than they're being projected for.
I I like Shaheed, he's he's risen a lot.
In Christ I like Shaheed he. He used to be, I think a really
good pick and now he's just kind of fine if you need the
receiver. But I mean, I think, I think
it's condensed. I, I still think Juan Johnson
is, I, I was going to say draftable and I think he is
draftable, but it's, it's scary because with the foot injury,
like does he miss like the whole season ultimately?
Like does he get shut down? Like, you know, he goes in a
season, does he miss a couple weeks and then they just like
shut him down week four? And he literally literally never
plays. Like we see that kind of stuff
happen. But I think he's the answer of
if he's healthy, like he's the clear #3 in this, in this
offense now. So I, I hope he, I hope the foot
injuries, I hope he get good news on the timeline for the
foot injury, 'cause I would be pretty psyched to draft him
again in the 18th if, if his price doesn't rise, I'm not good
news. Yeah, I've been taking Juwan on
the 18th. Still, the reporting seemed to
suggest that like he has a chance to recover for the start
of the season. So I I'm pretty sure he's not
gonna miss the whole year. I guess we just don't really
know that but. Foot surgery in the summer just
scares me. I, I, I think you're right, but
I, I just like, want to hear like another good report.
And I was pretty overweight Juan, too.
So that's, I'm coming from someone who already had a bag of
them. And now I'm like, I'm gonna let
me cool off during the very riskiest part of this.
But I would like to draft him again 'cause I think he's
probably the, I mean, he's, I mean, he's gonna beat out AT
Perry for targets if he's on the field.
Yep, Giants here. We talked about this one last
week, so we can maybe keep it quick, but I think we're
basically all in agreement that Wandale, Slayton and Hyatt are
all solid late round picks. I think I'm not really in on
Wandale, but you guys are. And I think everyone was kind of
in on on Slayton and Hyatt, if I recall correctly.
Yeah, there's just, there's no tight end here, so.
Yeah, they're all good picks. Statistically like one of these
receivers has to be good. They have they have interesting
profiles for different reasons. I don't know if anyone wants to
add anything here. Otherwise, I think we can can
move on on this one. I'm not that in on Wandale.
I would say. I mean, Slayton is you've got
your Dorch, you got your Slayton.
Those are those are the two guys that you're getting to the end
of the draft and you know your wide receiver, your wide
receiver four's Rashi Rice. You know, your wide receiver
three's Roma Doonze or Xavier Worthy if you're Davis.
And you know, you're like, I need some I need some help to
get like production early in the season.
Slayton, I think is a pretty strong pick.
Like he he just is a starting wide receiver available for free
in the final rounds. Agreed, he got paid like one
like this offseason so I don't know.
Darius Slaton is just going to catch, you know, 50 passes for
800 yards and five TDs every season until he retires and he's
just going to go and pick two O 5 every single season.
It's just just how. The way it is, baby.
He had a spike week last year in the playoffs.
Yeah, you know who else had a spike week in the playoffs last
year? Wandale 19.7 underdog points in
Week 17. People forget.
People forget that's true. So for The Jets, I mean, it's
Corley is like an amazing pick. The issue is, is he's not a
puka. He was a third round pick.
I mean, he's not he's not a puka at all.
The thing that ADP has wrong is Mike Williams and Mike Williams
is just going too high. I, I take, I don't think I have
any Mike Williams. Yeah, I was taking him and then
I was like, what am I doing? I kind of woke up from the.
It just shouldn't have been taken.
I just. Yeah, I don't mind Mike
Williams. What what's the what's the path
to success? He he just catching.
He's James Jones. It's just, yeah, it's just that
Mike Williams has been like, so good the last three years and
like, I don't know. I I guess 20 CLI just was not
factoring in the 20 CL at his age enough?
Yeah, but like, he's not that. He's not that old.
I feel like people in their heads think Mike Williams is
like 33 years old. Like he's like what, 29?
Yeah, but that's a big so like, and this is like with with the
stuff last year with Brice, like diving into the ACL stuff, you
know, if you're 22 and you tear your ACL and if you're 25 and
you tear your ACL, like that might not seem like a big
difference, but like the literature on that, there's like
a big difference then you were for 29.
I imagine it's a big difference like.
He's also he's also been hurt like a billion, like he's had
multiple lower body injuries like the the it's it's like.
He also turns 30 in October, so he's even a little older than
we're saying. Yeah, it's just like 30 is not I
I get the I get the ACL stuff, but I don't know, I think the
discount is for like early season.
I I know it's weird to think about this for like a veteran
wide receiver, but I kind of interpret the discount for Mike
Williams as like bad early season production.
Like we don't think he's a full time player by the playoffs.
And this is a guy last three seasons NFL two point O 1.92.3
yards for outrun. I I just don't think he's like
that that bad of a pick. I guess I don't get like what
the the Heat is at pick one 2080P Like he's a better NFL
wide receiver than I don't know a lot of the guy.
Like if he's healthy, he's a better NFL wide receiver than
like a lot of the wide receiver's going near him.
He, he was, you know, it's just tough like coming off the torn
ACL. Like we see, we see guys fall
off, you know, like never like. Sterling, what's the What's the
difference between Mike Williams and DJ Shark?
Dude, come on. Now the chat said that and I am
thinking cromulent. Cromulent comparison.
Yeah, he's not my I'm not saying like I'm hammering Mike
Williams, but I don't know. I clearly disagree.
Let let's get back to to Corley. Are you guys not a little bit
spooked by like it's kind of similar to the Steelers stuff?
Am I worried? Yeah, I'm not.
OK, it's probably dumb to be worried about Xavier Gibson.
That is what the I guess we should add context.
That's what the Beats are saying, right?
Now I'm a little worried. I'm a little worried about the
Corley stuff. So the the consensus coming out
of the mini camp stuff was like, you know, pads aren't on yet.
And, and when pads are on, you know, this guy's a tackle
breaker. So so maybe we'll see it then.
Like I don't want to hear that. This is like supposed to be pure
optimism. We're all just drinking from the
fountain of optimism. And and where we got to wait
till pads come on till we can be optimistic about Corley made me
a little nervous. Yeah, he's going to come in
really raw as a route runner. Like I do think they'll probably
he'll be like a guy that schemed a lot of screens and then maybe
he can emerge to being sort of like an underneath slot wide
receiver yak guy. But yeah, I think he's gonna be
really raw. I don't have any hot takes on
one 7080P. Like to me it's just.
It's Randall Cobb, Dude. You don't even have to.
You don't even have to to close your eyes and imagine you.
You've seen this movie before. Yeah, but like, you know, Cobb
clicked with Rogers in multiple ways.
They're like best friends. So like he, you know, we're not
getting those reports yet with with poorly that he, you know,
looking like that. He's establishing that
connection. You're it's not purely a safety
blanket kind of role because it's a lot of it is schemed, but
I don't know. I'm I want to hear that.
That's that, you know, he has that role locked down and he's
he's looking good in it. Like frankly, it's not the
highest upside role. Like if you're if it's like,
hey, yeah, we're going to have to scheme you up these like
Randall Cobb hybrid touches like you.
I would really like to know for sure you're getting those
because it's not like I I'm I would rather bet on a guy who I
think is just a good NFL receiver that's going to come in
and be able to establish himself in a traditional way.
Corley, I don't really think is that guy.
And I don't think it doesn't sound like he is.
I think it's just it's going to be a leap.
These small school guys that like didn't really play true
wide receiver in college generally take more time.
But yeah, again, not a not a film watcher, but you watch
Corley's highlights. It's not it's not hard to see
how his yak ability could translate to the NFL, and that
could certainly show up later in the season.
I've been kind of experimenting with the take in my head and
never, you never voiced it. Remember how like Amen Raw last
year in high stakes drafts, like when we got to we got to Vegas
and everything and it's like, all right, let's stop ticking
around. We got the 104, I'm taking Amen
Raw, We got the 105. I'm just taking Amen Raw.
Are we going to get there with Garrett Wilson for like, by the
end of the summer, people? That's the opposite.
I'm not pushing. Pushing Wilson up too high is is
slappy behavior that that is, that is going to that is, that
is trying to make the fancy play.
Like if you ever take Garrett Wilson over Justin Jefferson,
come on, dude. I think we're, I think we're
going to get that, I think. No, that is.
I got my one pick, I got my high stakes draft, I got my I'm
putting, I'm putting my stamp on this team.
This is the guy. I think you're getting it if
you're getting. Garrett I mean, we, we don't
want it. We don't want to admit it, but
there's there's massive Ohio State bias in the fantasy
football space. No one wants to talk about it.
But these Ohio State guys, that's absolutely true.
People are have hives around these guys.
And I, I again, I think Garrett Wilson is a totally fine pick at
pick eleven. I think it's fancy play syndrome
to take them over the A.J. Brown the Pukanakua like.
It's one. Of me I just don't get.
It it's one of the fanciest plays.
Yeah, I, I think I, I think we're not gonna the idea that
you would like even hesitate. These are not the players we're
going to be talking about. It's going to be Aman Rah and
Justin Jefferson by the end of the summer, because we're going
to be, we're going to be because look, Corley's not.
It doesn't look like Corley's doing it.
We're getting cold feet on Mike Williams and his ability to play
right away. And we know Rodgers will just
feed a dude. By the way, this whole thing
where Rodgers had an unexcused absence, we are literally not
going to remember that that happened by the time it's
September. Until November.
Yeah. Careful, the people in the
comments do did not like the Aaron Rodgers discussion.
Let's let's let's let's table this one the comments.
That we will have forgotten. Early September will have
forgotten because it was excused in the sense that they knew he
was doing they're you're just not a LAT.
Like literally you can't excuse an absence, but it's not injury
related for mandatory mini camp. So the whole thing it's a non
Stewart. So anyway, by the way, one of
the guys who's in on the Ohio State bias is is Matt Harmon.
He's he charted 96th percentile success rate versus versus man.
No one doubts Garrett Wilson is good.
He just has the he just has the not good surrounding like his
quarterback is a 40 year old podcaster with a torn Achilles.
With the long history of only throwing to the one guy that he
likes, which. Sounds no, I mean like Garrett
Wilson, I think he's gonna be good.
Like I'm not saying you don't take Garrett Wilson.
I'm just saying like I would, I would take, I wouldn't argue
with you if you wanted to take Garrett Wilson at six, but not
over Jefferson. Well, listen, this isn't just to
be clear, I'm not saying he should go over Jefferson.
You're just. I don't.
Like taking him over Puka. I don't like taking him over
Brown, but I'm not getting very much with that stance.
Like I'm getting like 6 to 7% because people do take him over
those guys and I hate it. And I'm sitting here and I'm
like, I, I this dude by the end of the summer is going to go
106, maybe even 105. Like he's that's and I'm and I'm
going to get not enough. And then he's going to have a
33% target share from Aaron Rodgers because Aaron Rodgers is
just like, I'm going to throw it to you after I snap it.
And then he does I. Just realized we have a whole
other slide to do. I might I might have to bow out.
I did not. I mean clear out three hours for
this show. We, we got to stop.
We got to stop there in Roger's talk.
Let's move on to the Cardinals. We'll get through these ones
quickly. Actually, let's let's get to the
ones that are more interesting for finding the puka types.
I think we talked there are two real puka types on this list.
I think one of them unironically Greg Dorcher, Michael Wilson,
the whoever the winner of is behind is the wide receiver 2
for Arizona. You can get differing opinions
on who that will be and Davontes Walker is a is a really really.
That's a good one. That's a legit, that's a really
good one. Because it's just such a weak
wide receiver depth chart. Again, you have this list here.
Why these guys are less interesting to me is because on
all these offenses you also have the presence of an elite tight
end. We can debate who's elite and
who's not to the end of this world, but there there's really
highly drafted tight ends and all these teams.
So Mark Andrews and Zay Flowers there.
It makes it a little bit harder for someone to emerge because
their ceiling is probably the third target earner.
But I still really like Walker here.
You know, Bateman, we kind of know the story with Bateman.
He's really disappointed through three years in the NFL.
Walker, a very imperfect prospect, but enough flashes
there that he could be really exciting.
So yeah, I really like this bet. Yeah, and he's super cheap and I
like Walker as a a bring back on the Houston stuff.
If if you're doing that, which I do a decent amount of, even if
you're stacking without the quarterbacks, I like him as a
bring back, you know, and and I like like a high upside
downfield skill set. The downfield skill set with
Lamar that's so appealing. It's so appealing.
It's appealing for basketball's appealing for a single week.
You know, it's a single week play, especially if it's a bring
back on Stroud, right? You're just like, I just hope
Devonta Walker can literally not play a single game.
But if he scores a touchdown on week 17, that's amazing.
So I, I think Walker's are are really strong.
Maybe not candid to be Puka, but he's a good.
He's just a good pick. Yeah, maybe more like Wicks
level like fantasy production with with hopefully more like
Spike Weeks. I really like him.
The only other one I want to throw out here.
Again, this is like not someone I'm taking, but on the
monitoring list, Casey Washington getting some hype at
OTAs. I don't really think Darnell
Mooney or Rondelle Moore are very good.
No, take the Rondelle Moore slander back.
Take it back. But I was also gonna say I'm not
sure if Kyle Pitts is very good. Oh, wow.
I'm just saying. I was wondering why you took the
Rondale Moore slander back with such little fight but it was to
save a it. Was it was to save some slander?
It was to save a bullet in the chamber.
Yeah, I I couldn't get away with both.
But I don't know, man. Like this, This team is gonna
probably lead the NFL in pass attempts if things go as
planned. There's room here behind Drake
London. If some of these other things
don't work out with some some questionable, I guess we can say
profiles behind them. So just a guy worth monitoring
for me. Anyone else in this list people
want to just like throw out as? Yeah, let me.
Just. Do let me just do my Greg Dorch
propaganda real quick. It'll take like it'll take like
10 seconds. So in games that that Greg Dorch
has played 70% of snaps or more, he basically has had at least
nine PPR points in all of them, which doesn't sound like much.
It's pretty good. And he's had three 100 yard
games. He scored a touchdown in three
of those nine games. I mean, Greg George is obviously
not this great player. There's a reason why he only has
11 games, I think of 71 percent or more snaps.
But if the whole Arizona thing comes together with Harrison in
there, Kyler's healthy. The running backs, you know,
they had the Thunder and lightning thing.
I mean, Dorch is the perfect slot guy to go in there with
Wilson and Harrison being on the exterior and and I think the
without Zay Jones having signed here, we would have gotten some
pretty steady drum beat on on Greg Dorch.
But I mean, obviously I'm a sloppy.
He's not going to be puka, but he's like a pretty promulent 1
Dale simulator for Arizona. Yeah, Only thing I want to add
quickly in Arizona is that Michael Wilson, I I think his
rookie season was a little underrated.
The story was basically pretty not great target earning, but
pretty good in yards for out run.
So he's very efficient on a per target basis.
I I just think there, there's something there.
Again, I don't think we're definitely not talking like a
puka level hit, but in terms of just like correlated guy with
Kyler Murray, I actually think that the team probably believes
in Michael Wilson a good amount. People are overreacting to the
Zay Jones stuff. He got like a million
guaranteed. That's like nothing.
He's he's backing up. He's he's the Michael Wilson
backup. Well, you know, you the, you
know what the comp is for Michael Wilson, Zay Jones.
Yeah, he's the Zay Jones from, what, two years ago when he
actually hit where there, you know, he's the he very clearly
had a role in the outside. They didn't have a lot else to
throw to. And he had, you know, hopefully
you're like, and he's priced at a level where he has a spike
week in week 16. Like, hell yeah.
You know that's that's more than enough.
Exactly. Yeah, just just betting on
touchdowns with him. All right, that'll, that'll wrap
things up. Final question here.
Let's let's like answer answer the question.
We started with a little bit. Let's say of all these wide
receivers, let's say going past pick 180, so guys like Devon
Tez, Walker, Javon Baker, Jalen Brooks, all these guys would
qualify. Who is your guy's favorite bet
to say be a top 20 wide receiver by half point VPR?
I'm saying it's likely to happen, but best bet?
Brendan Rice. All right.
Javon Baker. That would have been.
That would have been my 2. I was, I was gonna say Javon
Baker if I if I have to say someone else if Troy Franklin
qualified, he's. Going well, You, you put it at
180. I was gonna say, Franklin, you
put it at 180. All right.
I'm taking Luke, Luke McCaffrey for the taste, and that's a good
one in Washington. That's a good.
One all right, What are we doing for the ADP game?
Let's let's do the same game we always do.
Favorite ADP riser can be one of these guys we talked about.
I don't think the bet on any, I will say before we get into
this, I don't think the bet on any of these guys is that
they're going to be ADP risers. Like rookies that are buried on
depth charts are more likely to have negative buzz and positive
buzz, to be honest. And even if there is positive
buzz, people don't generally pay attention to too much.
So, but yeah, feel free to pick one of those guys or pick, pick
whoever. I got ones.
I might have already taken him. I don't think I did, though.
I'm going to take Curtis Samuel. I think the market has already
shown they're kind of regretting drafting so much Dalton Kincaid,
and they're kind of sheepishly walking that back a little bit.
And there also is going to become an inflection point where
the Bills coaching staff continues to not say anything
nice about. We played the clip on the show
last week and they were like, yeah, you know, Keon can't
really block and running routes doesn't seem that good and his
hands aren't great, but he is showing up and working hard
every day and he's. A great guy.
He's funny, yeah, very funny.
So I think we will see Samuel go up, Coleman come down and maybe
even see Shakira go down a little bit.
But I think I think Samuel will flip in Coleman at some point.
I love the Curtis Samuel Samuel stuff so no pushback for me on.
That Curtis Samuel back with Brady, that's not even a big
narrative yet. Chet just mentioned that pretty
big. Crane you got 1 otherwise I I
got one. No, go, go for it.
I gotta figure mine out, all right?
I'm I'm gonna take take a risk here.
I'm I'm calling bottom on Kyron Williams.
This isn't even a guy that I particularly.
Love, it's just pretty risky because quorum keeps going up.
Yeah, I just, I just think like we're getting close to people
coming back into draft rooms, you know, in later in July and
August after not paying attention to fantasy football
all offseason. There's being like, what the
hell are we doing? Like Kyron Williams was the
second best player in fantasy last year on a per game basis.
He's going to pick 31. I'm taking him in the middle of
the second round. Like what the hell are these
nerds doing? So I I think he's unless there's
more bad injury news, which is possible, I understand that's a
risk. I just think the August drafters
are not letting Kyron get to pick 30.
Yeah, I like it. Not even saying I love him at
pick 30, I'm just it's purely AADP prediction.
I'm gonna go Zamir White, who I've been starting to take a a
fair amount of. I thought he would steam up
Sacrilegious. Got so mad at me when I said I
didn't have any of him. Yeah, that makes me feel good
about this pick. Then.
Sacrilegious, when we first were transitioned from the big board,
identified him as a guy that would probably steam up, and we
wanted to get ahead of that. That didn't really happened, but
I think it partly didn't happen because there was so much wide
receiver steam just generally and kind of everyone, you know,
it's like Christian Watson, Jackson Smith and Jig, but
Deontay Johnson. Like that whole group had to
come up and all these running backs have kind of just fallen
into this big, big bucket and you kind of pick the guy who's
there and no one that puts too much thought into which ones,
which kind of makes sense structurally in this
environment. But as the environment changes
and we're forced to like, pick which one of these guys we want
and then maybe try to get a wide receiver in the eighth, it might
be wide receivers in the eighth and ninth round again in in
August or September. I think that White is a good
candidate to be one of the guys who rises potentially
substantially because Alexander Madison is his primary
competition for early down touches.
And we know he's not good. They're talking him up as like
the bell cow. He's going to be very
projectable. And then Dylan Lowby, you know,
might be the passing down guy. But.
But maybe he doesn't play that much, you know, and maybe he, we
don't think he's gonna play that much.
He's. Probably listening to this show
right now. I listen, I mean, he's he's made
some, you know, he's he's had some buzz.
Like I I think lobby's not nothing, but like even if White
is just the clear cut 2 down guy here and they're talking about
running their offense through him, he's not gonna go at 88.
Yeah, you, you, you are. You are totally right about it.
It's really just, yeah, he's going to end up kind of going
like 10 picks higher, fifteen pick.
Kind of like where where Rashad White and Ken Walker go.
I think he's probably right. He could go.
He could go 20 picks higher. Yeah.
Cranis, you've been one of the guys you've watched the the film
on in the cut UPS. I have dude.
I I again I don't. Know.
Anything about watching film? But I did some of that too, and
I think he looks kind of good. Yeah, he's fine.
He's. Not dynamic, he just is like big
and strong. He's big, he gets moving, you
know, he seems fine. And again.
Fine, same college team as James Cook and he produced him from a
rushing perspective in college. And was the number one running
back recruit coming into college.
Tore both Acls before I ever saw the college field.
But then he ran they. Recruited him.
He was there with chub too, right?
Or am I mixing up back fields? I don't think so.
There was another guy. There was another guy, guy with
Cook and White at some point. Yeah, maybe early in his career.
Let me look this up. Doesn't.
Matter over left but I could be
wrong. Chubb.
Chubb is absolutely not it. OK.
Chubb is like 30, DeAndre Swift is.
Is DeAndre. Swift was DeAndre Swift.
Yeah, God. Damn, I'm old, bro.
Nick Chubb was there like nine years ago.
Kenny man, anyway, I don't wanna pay for like projectable volume
on the, you know, a pretty like he didn't have a good college
career, but at one point he was seen as great and then he ran
well and then the coach is talking him up.
So it's like, it's all a bet that makes me very, very nervous
in the fourth or fifth round. But it's like, what if we what
if we just double that? ADP, are you in now?
And turns out, yes, I am. That's, that's how I'm feeling.
I'm I'm actually drafting a decent amount of them now.
Great. I like that one too.
All right, that'll do it for today's show.
You know, you really gotta struggle for topics in July when
there's literally no NFL news. Just just give us some news next
week, please. Sorry.
I can't. Sorry for.
This being so brief. Yeah, sorry.
We didn't really have much to talk about this week.
Yeah. But anyways, Davis, I saw you
had a big announcement today. You wanna tell people about that
and what what else you have coming up?
Yep underdog partnership is is happening official underdog
influencer YouTube streams are gonna start tomorrow so be ready
for that it's coming down and I got one more announcement coming
tomorrow but it's not quite ready yet so we'll you're gonna.
Spend those influencer one O ones on Justin Jefferson.
No, but influencer one O threes I might.
Crane Sidekick's been out about a week now.
Anything else you wanted to talk about?
Yeah, check out the sidekick legendaryupside.com/sidekick
Dynamic Best Ball rankings. Sacrilegious just had an article
out on Saturday looking at Week 16 correlation, kind of diving
into why week 17 correlation still looks to be king, but week
16 correlation is intriguing and just kind of making a case for
for just regular old team stacking as as being underrated
at this point. So check that out.
I'm working on OH. It's fine to take three chiefs
without Mahomes, per Sacrilegious.
Honestly, yeah, I think it is. Let's go so.
After I read the name KJ Osborne in that article from
Sacrilegious. He just Peppers it in there
throughout. OK.
Great. So yeah, I'm working on an
article, this Garrett Wilson idea kind of having me think
about guys who are like, I'm not taking a ton of but I like that.
I'm now worried will move up and then I'll be like, this is dumb.
Kyle Pitts is actually one of them where I don't have a ton of
Kyle Pitts and I'm like, he's gonna flip Mark Andrews and I'm
just gonna be furious about it. But then.
I'm not gonna happen. It's.
Gonna happen, give it so. Mad give it a month, it's gonna
happen. Yeah, so it's me pre tilting
stuff and then explaining, well I I probably am gonna take more
of the guy that I wasn't taking before 'cause I don't wanna be
extremely mad later. Fair.
That's fair. That's that's fair.
Well, awesome. Everyone check all that stuff
out. We'll be back next week.
Obviously regular ship chasing show on Thursday is when you
guys are doing those now, right? No, I think cause 'cause of the
fourth, we're not gonna. We're just, I think we're taking
this week off 'cause of the 4th. Got it.
OK. So yeah, we'll be back here on
this feed.