1 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:06,760 Welcome to a special July 1st edition of ADP Chasing. 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:10,320 Today, we'll be going deep into wide receiver depth charts 3 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:15,080 across all 32 NFL teams to try to find this year's Puka Nakua. 4 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:19,560 And if we fail at that, maybe at least we'll find this year's 5 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:21,920 Dontavian Wicks. Let's do it. 6 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,320 ADP chasing is for when you watch ship chasing you go these 7 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:28,960 guys are just football guys. And the targets for outrun 8 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:30,240 leagues, that's going to be really nice. 9 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:31,600 Actually, back in if it's Ashton A. 10 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:34,440 Compare to our crystal ball. close your eyes. 11 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:36,640 You know all your entries are going to lose anyway. 12 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:38,160 Yeah. That's fair. 13 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:39,480 This is a Deuce von show. It's. 14 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,640 Anti cabal it's anti the best ball thought leader. 15 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,160 I'm obviously lying to some degree because like I have a lot 16 00:00:46,160 --> 00:00:47,320 of both of these guys. It's. 17 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,600 The most disgusting thing you can make. 18 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:59,760 But man, what's up guys good to be back after missing last 19 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:01,640 week's show. You know, I thought I thought 20 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:05,800 maybe last week with me gone things could maybe start more on 21 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,560 track and ADP chasing and already by like the five minute 22 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,400 mark you were breaking down Blake Bortles NFL career. 23 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:14,120 So it's it's good to see that was perhaps a. 24 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:16,760 Highlight of the summer? Yeah. 25 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,200 I was going to say, that might have been the best analysis we 26 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:23,360 did on the show. Yeah, like I've been like I 27 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,280 Levis pilled myself like I've been, I've been like making it a 28 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,000 point. I've been making it a point to 29 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,080 get Levis since having that conversation. 30 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,840 Love. It it did, it did convince me. 31 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:38,240 I mean also just watching Will Levis last year, you can't deny 32 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,040 he just absolutely smashes the QB aesthetics. 33 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,280 Yes, which it matters that matters. 34 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:49,240 Yeah, he's a big guy. He's big, he's he likes to throw 35 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:51,440 D He's going to throw a lot more this year. 36 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,840 You guys are both professional fantasy football analysts. 37 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,440 Could you even name who the backup quarterback is in 38 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:00,240 Tennessee? Truly Like could you without 39 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,600 Googling right now? It's Mason Rudolph. 40 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:04,640 Oh it. Is Mason. 41 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:08,000 Rudolph, it it is Mason Rudolph, which is to say this is not, 42 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,520 this is not even a Marcus Mariota backup quarterback 43 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:14,560 situation like the the bench risk on Levis is so, so low. 44 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:16,920 Like so low. Yeah, it is very low. 45 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:21,120 Yeah, it's almost impossible. I mean, yeah, maybe you could 46 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,920 argue he has higher injury risk. They don't want to do it. 47 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,320 They don't want to do it and and anytime they're going to Mason 48 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,200 Rudolph, it's a lost season. There's a It's. 49 00:02:28,920 --> 00:02:31,400 Yeah. He was so bad that it's like he 50 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:33,200 was Zach Wilson. Like it doesn't matter. 51 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,400 Like you already lost the bet. Like, you know. 52 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,000 Very, very good, very good points being made here on on 53 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:41,280 this program. Yeah. 54 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,160 So we'll try to keep things a little bit more on track today. 55 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:48,800 The plan, like I I teased in the intro, there's not really much 56 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,160 news with risers and fallers. We'll hit that quickly and then 57 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:56,400 we'll get into sort of ambiguous wide receiver depth charts 58 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,720 across the league and try to, you know, pick out spots where 59 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,600 maybe there's under the radar rookies or second year players 60 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:07,800 that we can perhaps target. But let's quickly start here 61 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,960 with risers and fallers. Just a couple guys I wanted to 62 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,520 call out here again. You look at all the change in 63 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,960 ADP like there's only three guys that have more than a 3% 64 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,520 movement in ADP. That's a sign there's basically 65 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,120 nothing happening, you know, even. 66 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,720 How much does the market just hate Stefan Diggs that he's in 67 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,160 this environment falling as a wide receiver? 68 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,760 It's it is, it is crazy. It is like in BBM and BBM, two 69 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:33,160 Diggs would have been a seventh round pick. 70 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,840 Because he's sleeping with the underdog drafter's sisters. 71 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,760 Let's. The, the, the Barkley change, by 72 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,560 the way, I think this is exclusively because there's only 73 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,200 virgin drafts happening right now. 74 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,600 Like it's only like puppies and 10 second clocks. 75 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:50,280 And those are the last people on earth that want to take Saquon 76 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,640 Barkley. So he I would not be surprising 77 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:57,480 to me if if they don't do any niche contest for 10 days and he 78 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,640 rises. I love that the puppy two filled 79 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:06,960 in like 8 days and it that that fact is not even close to the to 80 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,480 the most virginal activity that's occurred in the last few 81 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:14,200 weeks. The dumbest thing we can get to 82 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,320 bar finish that, but the dumbest thing to me with the digs thing 83 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:23,040 is look at this next chart here and Cooper Cup is up once like 84 00:04:23,280 --> 00:04:29,000 what is like the the pro cup argument, but anti Stefan Diggs, 85 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:33,080 like anything that you can say about Diggs with like age, age 86 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:36,440 risk, injury, etcetera, like cup. 87 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,280 No, I, I want to, I want to refute, I want to refute. 88 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:43,120 I want to refute this analysis because Cooper Cup played quite 89 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,600 well last year to the point that in the 12 games that he and 90 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,120 Nakua were both 100% healthy, they got the exact same amount 91 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:53,280 of targets or, or one of them got one more than the other one. 92 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,120 I don't remember. I don't remember which, but the 93 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,040 the. Dig's yards for Outrun was 94 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,800 better, his targets for Outrun was better. 95 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,520 Like basically, you know, PPR, like we just want to go fantasy 96 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:10,480 points for game that was better. Like, I don't know, yeah, Kopp 97 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:12,160 didn't play horrible. I'm not saying he was like 98 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,800 terrible last year, but I don't know, maybe it's people just 99 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,360 saying like Stefan Dig's first half of the season doesn't exist 100 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,440 'cause you look at his full season long stats last year, 101 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,000 like 27 target percent targets for Outrun. 102 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,760 Like, it's not like he had him a bad season. 103 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:30,760 Like cup's down at 23%. So I don't know, I, I, I, I'm 104 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,960 not seeing like the rationale for putting cup over digs 105 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,200 personally, I guess the target competition argument. 106 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:41,520 The target competition is so much better for for digs than it 107 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:42,880 is. I mean, there's no tight end 108 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:46,760 that's going to draw targets on the Rams, The Texans, the Texans 109 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:48,840 have three good wide receivers, not two. 110 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:52,200 The Texans have a competent pass catching tight end. 111 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,760 I mean, I don't that's a guy who earns 80 targets, not 40. 112 00:05:56,040 --> 00:06:01,400 And they have like a like the one thing Mixon can still do is 113 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,760 catch swing passes effectively. I mean, that's really, that's 114 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,080 like the one thing left that he has to offer. 115 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:11,240 It's it's a it's a bigger pie. It's a better pie in Houston, 116 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,200 but he is going to have a smaller piece of it than cops 117 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:18,520 will. Yeah, I mean, I I'm not bearish 118 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:20,280 on Cup. I don't like the framing where 119 00:06:20,280 --> 00:06:24,040 we have to argue between Diggs and Cup so much because I think 120 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,360 Cup's a pretty good pick. Like he was, he was awesome two 121 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:28,240 years ago. He was banged up this year. 122 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:29,920 It's a very, very condensed offense. 123 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,720 The situation is super stable. He's got good quarterback play. 124 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:36,720 He's got great coaching. The fact that Cup and Nicua 125 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,360 together are both really good should like I think, probably 126 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,200 help each other remove some of the the. 127 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,960 The the the target Cliff as as Roto Pat would say. 128 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:49,600 Roto Pat was right about the target Cliff. 129 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:51,120 We got to be honest. Come on. 130 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,160 Like dude, like let's be real. So what now, poop? 131 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:55,840 What now? Puka got too many targets. 132 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:57,560 Puka might Puka's hitting the target Cliff. 133 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:01,120 OK, so he's, oh, also you, you are Sam, you are totally, you 134 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,040 are totally burying the lead here, which is the long history 135 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,680 of, of 30 year old wide receivers changing teams and 136 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:11,280 going to 0 immediately. Like, like how many, how many 137 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:15,360 guys could we name just playing? Remember a guy who changed teams 138 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,520 at 29 or 30 and then we like never heard from them again? 139 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,000 I guess so, But I feel like that narrative's kind of like changed 140 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:23,960 a lot in recent years. Like, I don't know, DeAndre 141 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,160 Hopkins change teams. It's it's changed because really 142 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,400 good wide receivers don't get the free agency anymore. 143 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:35,360 Yeah, like I think if if it happens via trade, I'm not 144 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:39,280 nearly as worried about the wide receiver changing teams thing. 145 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,240 I guess as like compared to a team just letting a guy hit free 146 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,640 agency and say we don't care if you sign somewhere else. 147 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,120 I think the dig situation is a little bit different than us to 148 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,120 do more with locker room vibes and and other things behind the 149 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,320 scenes. So I don't know, like, yeah, I I 150 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:55,960 agree, it doesn't have to be. He's not a fun clique, 'cause 151 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,280 you're like, I'm all I care about is the end of the season, 152 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:00,120 right? Like that. 153 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,240 That's why I'm, you know, making these picks, right? 154 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,200 I gotta have them score a ton of points at the end of the season. 155 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:08,640 Well. Diggs is maybe not gonna be all 156 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:10,320 that popular by the end of the season. 157 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:12,880 So just like it's, it makes you a little nervous. 158 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:15,360 I do. I think it's a good pick though. 159 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:16,800 Like I'm gonna end up with a lot. 160 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,560 Of digs, I have a. Lot of digs, like in an 161 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,680 environment where wide receivers are flying off the board and 162 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:24,560 we're like wide receiver upside's never been more 163 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,800 expensive. Like this dude has been very 164 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,200 good for his career. He was good last year. 165 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,320 I I agree with your point that, you know, over the course the 166 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,880 whole season he was pretty good. He goes from Josh Allen. 167 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,840 That stinks, but he lands with CJ Stroud, which is amazing. 168 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:41,720 This is an offense that supported spike weeks for 169 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:43,480 players popping up kind of randomly. 170 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:47,200 Noah Brown went off for a couple weeks, like Diggs can go nuts 171 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:48,920 for for a couple weeks in this offense. 172 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,960 Like I it it's like doesn't seem like an offense that's designed 173 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,280 to just kind of run through Nico week in week out. 174 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,920 No SO. Can I, can I make a can I make a 175 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,360 counter That might be persuasive to some people listening to 176 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:03,400 this? Cooper Cup has the most half 177 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:07,360 point PPR points in one season ever. 178 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,080 No, I'm I've refused to frame this as cup versus digs. 179 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,120 Well, I like the thing. The thing about that crane is 180 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:14,480 that's, that's a choice now, right? 181 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:15,600 Like that? That's a. 182 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,480 Choice, I like to love it. The the choice is don't draft 183 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,360 Eric Henry is honestly what how we do this. 184 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,600 You can get both. It's possible to get both, sure, 185 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,680 but I'm a lot of both. Yeah, I am. 186 00:09:26,680 --> 00:09:30,760 I don't know. I guess I am pretty clearly digs 187 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,080 over cup. I don't know it it is simplistic 188 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,240 and I do get that cup flashed, cup flash, the upside. 189 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:40,760 I'm at 8% cup and 17% digs. So you can do it. 190 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:42,200 You can. You don't have to go let. 191 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,360 I wonder, I wonder, I wonder my numbers. 192 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:53,480 Yeah, I am. 19% cup, 1% digs. Whoa, OK, so this isn't a cup 193 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:54,920 thing for you're out, you're just out on. 194 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:58,520 Dish. It's it's it's a I am not as 195 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:01,240 much of an aggressive piss wide receiver. 196 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,920 Guys like I have do almost NO5 wide receiver starts. 197 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:06,680 So I'm a little bit more choosy let. 198 00:10:06,680 --> 00:10:08,680 Me tell you they are fun. They are very. 199 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:14,160 Very no, I I I agree that well I like the elite onesies. 200 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,760 I I am well, I. Mix in I mix in a tight end. 201 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,360 I I'm jamming the elite onesies way above the field, like if I 202 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,800 did my combinatorial Hurts, Allen Mahomes, Lamarr 203 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:28,520 Richardson, Exposure or Kelsey, yeah, Andrews, whatever. 204 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,520 It's very high. So I just have less digs 205 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,160 naturally because that 'cause I I have cup ahead in my rankings, 206 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:38,760 so I take cup. Which I I can understand, but I, 207 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:42,760 I don't know. I think like, I mean what I'm, I 208 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:44,920 think I'm what do you, what do you want, Cup? 209 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,280 19 percent. OK, so we're like not that far 210 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,800 apart on cup. Versus I've got the beach towel, 211 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:52,520 I've got the beach towel. Yeah, you have this little beach 212 00:10:52,560 --> 00:10:54,960 towel you could find. You could find another seven in 213 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,600 there. I think you could the I'm doing 214 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:59,680 when I say the five wide receiver starts, it's not so 215 00:10:59,680 --> 00:11:03,800 much that it's tends to be through 76 wide receivers and a 216 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:07,400 tight end. That start is pretty fun because 217 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,960 it you're just you like it allows you to then hit the 218 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,520 pocket of running Max coming up. As long as you can take care of 219 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,040 quarterback, you're in really good shape. 220 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:18,800 I think this is, this is my, this is my opinion one. 221 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:23,360 I really like Sam's whatever we, we call it, trinomial wide 222 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,800 receiver idea where you just jam 3 elite wide receivers in the 223 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:30,040 first four rounds and then you do the elite onesies and you get 224 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,560 1 running back that you really like. 225 00:11:32,560 --> 00:11:35,400 I, I really like that strategy. The other thing is. 226 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,280 You could almost do like hyper fragile with that because. 227 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,280 You're like that, but it's hyper fragile wide receiver almost. 228 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:43,280 You could do, you could do seven wide receiver teams. 229 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,360 If you do that, if you take, if you do that and then you get 230 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,960 Rashi Rice and Christian Watson, you could do, you could do some 231 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,320 cool shit. Yeah, that is fun, Yeah. 232 00:11:52,560 --> 00:11:54,320 Yeah, I I like those builds a lot. 233 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,480 You take three in the first four, grab one more in like 234 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:01,840 round seven or eight and then wait, wait it out and grab your 235 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,600 last four wide receivers, hopefully correlated at the end. 236 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:06,840 I do. I do occasionally do like the 237 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,480 five wide receivers through six thing as well, depending on how 238 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:13,520 the board falls to me. But I do think to some extent 239 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:15,040 where you want to take advantage of. 240 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,680 Yeah, I don't love them as much as. 241 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,000 You can get lot well, and this might be a personal problem 242 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,400 because if I'm doing that, it probably means I have two Chiefs 243 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,360 wide receivers. So it probably means I've got 244 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:30,600 two of Worthy Hollywood or Rice. But that also probably means I 245 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:34,480 don't have my homes, so I'm leaving myself with smaller back 246 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:36,600 doors to figure. Out Well yeah, because you built 247 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:38,120 it with the Chiefs, but if you built it with not the. 248 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,600 Chiefs But if I built it with if I built it with Jaden Reed and 249 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:42,840 DeAndre Hopkins. Yeah, if you set up stacks later 250 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:46,520 in the draft, it's much easier. Let me tell you, if what you 251 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:50,720 need to win this year is Justin Jefferson, Jalen Waddell, Kyron 252 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:54,320 Williams, Hollywood Brown, Rashi Rice, things are looking up for 253 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,040 me. If that exact combination of 254 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:59,240 players is what you need it, it's going to go well for me, I 255 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:03,960 think. Yeah, All right, well, let's 256 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,160 let's get to the the meat of today's show, actually. 257 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:08,960 Sorry, one more rise that I wanted to hit on. 258 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,400 You know what, sorry, I can't contradicting myself again. 259 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,120 We'll talk the Patriots wide receiver depth chart later. 260 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,040 So I'm going to skip on the the Pop Douglas discourse for now. 261 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:19,440 Really. I mean, he's not, he's not 262 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,000 really a puka candidate. I wouldn't say. 263 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:27,320 Well, he's a second year. OK, I I guess the the point of 264 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,960 today's show he's. He's a he's a puka. 265 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:31,960 He's a puka. Candidate. 266 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:33,040 All right, we can talk about him. 267 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,560 Later, yeah, I think let's, let's broaden the scope a little 268 00:13:35,560 --> 00:13:36,920 bit. Pat, I, I think what I want to 269 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,560 talk through here is wide receivers, you know, going at 270 00:13:39,560 --> 00:13:42,840 pick 150. Eight wide receiver sleepers you 271 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,840 need to win your league. That's a good title for the. 272 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,360 Oh, I I thought we were talking about specifically day three 273 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:50,240 wide receivers drafted by the Rams. 274 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:56,480 We could get an hour out of that. 275 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:58,880 Show. Yeah, that could be. 276 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,160 Probably good. Oh man. 277 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:08,440 So let's start here. So to kind of get the list of 278 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:12,080 teams that I wanted to talk through here, I both basically 279 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:16,480 split up all NFL teams into different categories. 280 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,440 And there's a lot here, but the gist of it is I, I kind of 281 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,640 wanted to eliminate the teams where the fantasy market is 282 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:26,760 telling us there's three or four really good pass catchers on 283 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:28,240 these teams. So if you look at the far left 284 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:33,160 column here, Green Bay Packers, Chicago Bears, you know, Buffalo 285 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:37,840 Bills, Texans, all these teams have 4 pass catchers going in 286 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:41,200 the top 100 or 2000. Twenty picks or so, right? 287 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,960 These aren't really teams where there's a lot of extra room at 288 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:48,040 the end of the depth chart to find deep sleepers. 289 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,320 And then at the other end of the spectrum, you have teams like 290 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,600 the Patriots and the Chargers where, you know, outside of Ladd 291 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:59,280 Mcconkey on the Chargers, all these guys are going really 292 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,560 late. The market really has no idea 293 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:03,080 who the top wide receiver is going to be. 294 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,480 Or maybe, you know, the top wide receiver in Ladd Mcconkey's case 295 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:10,400 is really unproven so. You guys indulge me on the 296 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:13,360 Packers for one second, though. Though Melton. 297 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,520 Depends, Melton. Oh wow, I the, the chance of 298 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:22,800 Bill Melton being this year's Pooka is like sub .003%. 299 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:28,000 But it's just, it's just enough that I think he is draftable on 300 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:34,320 underdog and, and DraftKings. Like yeah, 97% of the time he is 301 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:38,800 never cracking your lineup. But like they're, they are one. 302 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,920 They are committed to the bit. They are, they are extremely 303 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:45,160 committed to the bit of rotating their wide receivers that they 304 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,960 played six wide receivers in a playoff game that they won. 305 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,280 Christian, like really what you need is you need the Christian 306 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:54,240 Watson hamstring and then Jayden Reid is a bit player. 307 00:15:54,560 --> 00:16:00,760 So Watson hurts his hamstring. Jayden Reid is in like a 65% 308 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:02,880 route share role. And then Melton just gets on the 309 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,040 field and starts playing a ton. But yeah, it just indulged me 310 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:07,680 for three seconds on on Bob Melton. 311 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:08,680 That's all. I think that's a. 312 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,960 That's a fair one. I mean, this is a, it's a wide 313 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,680 receiver depth chart that we're taking a lot of stabs at, but 314 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,280 it's not, I would say, especially set. 315 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,040 It's not set at all. It's like the least set of all 316 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,560 these teams in the clear top three target earners. 317 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,600 Yeah, so I, I think that Bo Melton's an interesting name to 318 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,920 throw out there. He's not someone I've really 319 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,160 been thinking about, but I I actually think he does fit this 320 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,120 discussion. He he's so opaque because he 321 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:39,320 played at that shit Rutgers team that Pacheco played for that was 322 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:41,240 like basically the worst team in the FPS. 323 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:43,240 So there's just nothing to learn about those players. 324 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,120 He had 2.28 yards per hour in his final season, which is 325 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:49,440 solid. It's not amazing, it's not it's 326 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,840 funny. Far from puka levels, but. 327 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,000 What do we think? What do we think Rutgers YPA was 328 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:59,960 that season? God, I mean it, it was, it was 329 00:16:59,960 --> 00:17:02,960 very, very bad, right? Was it 2021 or 2022? 330 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:09,200 20/21 was the was Pacheco rookie season so I think it must have 331 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:13,160 been the 2020. Okay, so in 2020, the starting 332 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,040 quarterback for Ruckers average 4 point. 333 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:16,800 Nine. No, I'm wrong. 334 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:17,760 I. Think. 335 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:21,240 Pacheco was 2022, Pacheco was 2022. 336 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,079 Is this rookie season? So it's the 2021 season we're 337 00:17:23,079 --> 00:17:28,200 talking about. 2021 Isaiah Pacheco 167 rushing yards, 3.9 338 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:31,000 yards per carry. Beau Melton more than doubled up 339 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,400 the number two guy on the team in receiving yards for a 340 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,800 quarterback that had 5.4 adjusted yards per attempt. 341 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,800 Wow. And on just 100 routes, I think 342 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:45,480 maybe 95 routes or so last year, Beau Melton was at 2.7 yards for 343 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:50,960 Outrun. 29% targets for outrun really insane. 344 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,480 Obviously it's a very low or small sample size we're working 345 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,920 with there, but I do think in the same way that you can draft 346 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:02,160 Noah brown in the 18th round if you have CJ Stroud, I think you 347 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,280 can draft bow mountain in the 18th round if you have Jordan 348 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:06,320 Love. There's it's definitely a better 349 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:08,240 pick than a lot of the water seepers go in there. 350 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:09,800 I. Think but very non derogatory. 351 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:15,000 That's fair. I, I, I prepare this to be no 352 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,920 one's going to like hearing this, but 90% drafted Khalif 353 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,480 Raymond versus 1% drafted Bill Melton. 354 00:18:22,120 --> 00:18:25,560 Give me 1% drafted Bill Melton over 90% draft people. 355 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,440 I probably spent more time this year talking about Khalif 356 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,320 Raymond than any other player. True be people just love taking 357 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:35,560 this guy in the 18th round. I like him if I have golf too. 358 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:39,800 But yeah, I I agree it's not like the ownership shouldn't be 359 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,360 90% and 1%. I don't think Khalif Raymond's 360 00:18:42,360 --> 00:18:44,000 90% drafted though. He's probably like. 361 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:46,200 I don't think he is either. Yeah. 362 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:48,160 It depends. It depends if they, it depends 363 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:51,520 if they have, if they pay. If you pay for rankings from 364 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:54,040 someone, you've got a lot of Cleve Raymond, because he 365 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,200 projects well, like you. You just like, oh, he's gonna 366 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:58,040 get. 80 and he was good last year. 367 00:18:58,120 --> 00:19:00,880 But the the problem for Khalif Raymond is that he's a 368 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,960 rotational 4th wide receiver, probably like he's the third 369 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,640 wide receiver, but does he play? Is he locked in? 370 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:10,000 If if Jameson Williams does anything like if Jameson 371 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,200 Williams is a competent NFL player, Cleve Raymond is a Stone 372 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,240 0. But if he's not, then Khalif 373 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:19,040 Raymond might be kind of fun. You could catch like 65 passes I 374 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,440 guess. Yeah, I kind of like, I was 375 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,800 taking a decent amount of kleeframing and then I kind of 376 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:25,440 had the thing of like, what am I really doing? 377 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,040 I'm I'm, I'm not winning at all with Kleef Raymond, probably. 378 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:30,960 It's I think it's just similar to the Josh Reynolds bet last 379 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,960 year, which I think was a pretty good bet and you got pretty good 380 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:34,920 results with that. Did it? 381 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,000 Obviously it's not, it's not the same bet as Puka. 382 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,840 Like understand it's not a high upside swing, but Josh Reynolds 383 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,320 had a couple solid spike weeks last year. 384 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:45,400 Didn't didn't happen in the right weeks, right? 385 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,080 But it it could have, it certainly could have worked. 386 00:19:48,120 --> 00:19:49,560 I mean, it's just the worst round pick. 387 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:53,640 Just draft Greg Dorch. Yeah, we'll, we'll get to. 388 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:55,400 That you don't have. You don't have to tell me twice, 389 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,440 brother. I think that's 30% dorch. 390 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,560 So you're not even looking for puka, you're just you're. 391 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,840 Signing up for No I I'm drafting the guy who people are gonna 392 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:09,360 think is Khalifa Raymond next year. 393 00:20:09,360 --> 00:20:12,040 Like Greg, Dorch is gonna be a popular 14th round pick next 394 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,200 year. How high do you think Khalif 395 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,760 Raymond is going? Yeah, who's taking Khalif 396 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,200 Raymond in the 14th round? No, I'm saying, I'm saying next 397 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,080 year Dorch will be a 14th round pick. 398 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:22,000 Oh. Right. 399 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,040 OK, I'm. Gonna be saying Khalif Raymond's 400 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,760 a 14 pick now. So he's he's not available on my 401 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,680 screen when I when I log into underdog was one of the things I 402 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,960 asked them about the new partnership was just don't show 403 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,000 me any 29 year old special teamer. 404 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,560 Just remove it from out of the pool. 405 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,000 Your rankings are just are just the underdog. 406 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:47,200 ADP minus Khalifa. Minus Khalifa Raymond, minus 407 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,160 Khalifa Raymond and AT Perry, those guys are not. 408 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:53,360 Those guys are not on my screen. Those double is Dennis Allen's 409 00:20:53,360 --> 00:20:55,400 underdog rankings, too. Correct. 410 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:57,280 Yeah, Yeah. All right. 411 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,200 So what's next? Yeah. 412 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,440 So I'll just say last word on. So these these two columns on 413 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:06,920 the left, it's not like there's not any good late round bets 414 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,920 there Like on the Raiders you could talk me into finding and 415 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,760 whoever their wide receiver three is, maybe Trey Tucker on 416 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:14,760 the Eagles. You could talk me into, you 417 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,080 know, Anus Smith or Johnny Wilson once we have more info 418 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,680 later in the summer. But none of these guys. 419 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:21,840 You could be talked into Anus Smith. 420 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:27,400 Yeah, I could be talked to Anus Smith, but none of these guys 421 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,040 are like big cuts in the way Puka was. 422 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,200 Because on the Rams, there was hang on, hang on. 423 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,080 There is a big cut here. It's Ricky Pearsall. 424 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,160 I don't know man, if if three guys get injured, I guess. 425 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,840 Three guys, he needs 11 injury and he's unlocked. 426 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,480 And he's been if, if, yeah, I don't know if he's unlocked in 427 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,160 the way puka. I mean, one injury and he's 428 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,720 still what, clearly the 4th in the pecking order? 429 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,240 Are you like counting, Elijah? Mitch? 430 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:56,600 You're not. You're not kidding. 431 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,560 Counting I've got killing CMC, both have like 20% target shares 432 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,000 and both the wide receivers have 20% target shares. 433 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,840 Like, that's four guys. Here's one gets hurt. 434 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:08,160 He's still 4th. Who's ahead? 435 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:10,600 Yeah, one gets hurt and he's 4th. 436 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:12,280 That's what I'm saying. Well, oh, I see. 437 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:13,360 I do they. Did just pay? 438 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,760 They did just pay Juan Jennings like $9 million a year or 439 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,520 something. I think it was to clear cap 440 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,680 space for the IT it. Probably, it probably was. 441 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,520 I got a good idea for a tweet. I don't know if I've got time to 442 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,760 do all the leg work for this good tweet someone could do is 443 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,120 just go through and look at rookie wide receiver seasons on 444 00:22:29,120 --> 00:22:32,600 Shanahan called offenses. I, I I don't actually know the 445 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,120 answer to this. At an awesome season. 446 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:37,080 Who? Ayuk. 447 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,320 Oh yeah, you're right, people. Forget the whole doghouse thing. 448 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,760 Wasn't until year 2 that was. I did. 449 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:44,840 I did. I did actually forget that I 450 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:45,160 did. Awesome. 451 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,600 Rookie season. Yeah, him behind river crack 452 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,160 raft. That was a good, that was a good 453 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:50,920 bit. That's classic Shanahan. 454 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:55,920 Yeah, so the look, I mean, yes, he could be 4th still even if 455 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:01,320 there's an injury, but that's not why it's a big cut. 456 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,080 And he was a first round wide receiver who gets open very well 457 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,120 in the intermediate part of the field and like Puka last year 458 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,880 was talked up a lot in in mini camp period. 459 00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:15,360 So you know, maybe he's really good, maybe he's a really good 460 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,040 wide receiver on a Shanahan offense. 461 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:21,320 It probably takes an injury to unlock, but I think that is 462 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,000 actually pretty decently big cut. 463 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,400 Yeah, I, I don't disagree with that. 464 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,880 And yeah, I guess it's, it's just semantics on the the 465 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,920 purpose of this exercise, I guess. 466 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,360 But yes, I, I certainly think that Ricky Pearsall fits well 467 00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:41,080 into certain teams. I think there's just depth 468 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:45,760 charts that are way less crowded where guys with far less draft 469 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:49,320 capital have a chance to emerge. That's I guess kind of the 470 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,840 spirit of how I was interpreting on this. 471 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:53,280 Yeah. He's not a, he's not a puka. 472 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:58,200 But as far as? If I was to compare yourself to 473 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,040 someone, I would say maybe like St. 474 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,520 Brown or like rookie year A.J. Brown or something where like 475 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,600 the the there was like no production early, but then it 476 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,840 just turns out he's it just turns out he's really good and 477 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,640 and gets on the field by hook or by crook. 478 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,720 And he has the draft capital, so he's not. 479 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,160 It's sort of a reverse type of bet. 480 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,960 It's like, dude was good, He was drafted like he was really good 481 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,560 and he was so. And that just shined through 482 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,520 eventually. So I not that I think that he's 483 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,680 anywhere near as good, but rookie year A.J. 484 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:31,160 Brown, he has the rando 100 yard game early than the two 485 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,760 touchdown game on 42% of the snaps, but he doesn't really get 486 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:39,560 activated until week 12 and he just goes like nuclear down the 487 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,320 stretch. And that would kind of be your 488 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,800 your pure Sol thing. Or maybe he does flash early. 489 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:48,400 Maybe he does flash on like 17 routes in week four or something 490 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,760 but doesn't get full time playing time until someone gets 491 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,880 hurt. And like I know a lot of times 492 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:59,520 the situation stuff is about quarterback play and not target 493 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,440 competition. And it is tough for me to see 494 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:05,280 like I really believe in IU and Debo and you know, the target 495 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:11,640 competition stuff is is serious. But like it is, we discounted 496 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,080 A.J. Brown a lot like in dynasty in 497 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,680 in addition to to regular redraft and best ball like 498 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:19,760 because of situation. Yeah. 499 00:25:20,360 --> 00:25:22,480 Like he he dropped, he was, you could get A.J. 500 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,120 Brown at like the end of the first round of of dynasty drafts 501 00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:28,640 that year, rookie drafts. I mean, Garrett Wilson, right, 502 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,480 Like Justin Jefferson, you know, just Jefferson was more of the 503 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,240 BC Johnson stuff, but Garrett Wilson dropped a ton because the 504 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:39,320 situation. Ola Ola BC Johnson that that is, 505 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:45,840 I couldn't remember. This morning on bestball 506 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,640 breakfast in the chat helped me out that it was. 507 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,480 Started started over Justin Jefferson his first two career 508 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,720 games. That was insanity. 509 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,480 But yeah, I I agree with you, Pat. 510 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,440 It's like, it's definitely a little bit insane to me that 511 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:03,080 like Ladd Mcconkey, Keon Coleman, even maybe if you want, 512 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:04,560 you could throw Brian Thomas in there. 513 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:09,240 They all go in the 70s and they were picked just like 10 spots 514 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,360 in the real NFL draft ahead of. And are mostly on worst teams. 515 00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:16,520 Look at Pier, Saul, Jalen, Poke, who all go at like pick 140. 516 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,840 Like that's a lot of market confidence in the situation, 517 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,800 which again, I think is important. 518 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,960 And like those guys obviously should be ranked ahead. 519 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,720 But like, at the end of the day, it's going to matter more if 520 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,360 these guys are just good players or bad players, so. 521 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,920 It matters so much more like. Yeah. 522 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:36,840 Like, Nope, when a wide receiver is good, they are the situation, 523 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,120 You know what I mean? Like they become what drives the 524 00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:42,920 situation. So we just don't know which of 525 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,720 these guys are good. We're going to find that out 526 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,160 soon. And then we're going to not care 527 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:48,880 so much. Like, oh, like these little, 528 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,800 tiny little things around the margins are just not going to 529 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,000 matter nearly as much as we think. 530 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,200 But because we don't know how good they are, we're putting a 531 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,400 lot of stock in them because we don't have anything else to 532 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:03,360 really grasp onto yet. But my, my feeling on this is 533 00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:07,920 that it's not that we're mispricing Brian Thomas, is that 534 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,520 we're mispricing Pearsall, Leggett and Polk. 535 00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:14,080 I agree. Yeah, I agree with that as well. 536 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,640 So for today, we're again, there's certainly late round 537 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,120 targets you can talk about on these teams in the far left and 538 00:27:22,120 --> 00:27:23,640 that's maybe a topic for another day. 539 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,600 We're going to focus on the teams that have the most 540 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,080 ambiguous pass catcher hierarchies and that's eleven 541 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,360 teams called out here on the right. 542 00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:34,840 And then if we have time, there's there's five teams that 543 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,840 are kind of interesting in the Cardinals, Falcons, Ravens, 544 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:42,400 Browns and Lions that have wide open like wide receiver, two 545 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,400 depth charts to summit to to, you know, varying extents, but 546 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,120 they have pretty locked in like elite tight ends and wide 547 00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:51,360 receiver one. So I'd say they're slightly less 548 00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:55,760 in focus for today. But without further ado, let's 549 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,520 dive into the first group of teams. 550 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:02,160 These two teams, I think, just have completely ambiguous wide 551 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,800 receiver ones. The market has decided that Lad 552 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,800 Mcconkey is a favorite, which I certainly agree with. 553 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,840 But again. It's it's probably mad to to me, 554 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,600 I think we could totally look back on the lad Mcconkey ADP and 555 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:20,000 be like, what? What Lad Mcconkey in the 70s on 556 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,200 1/2 PPR? Site I think. 557 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:22,880 It's good. No, I'm into it. 558 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,320 I take him but I'm just acknowledging that this is a 559 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,400 situation that could look hilarious in in retro. 560 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,680 Like this could be a sky more ADP situation. 561 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:31,840 I. Think it's more likely to be a 562 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:36,120 JSNADP where he's just like this duty really does nothing and 563 00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:39,000 like, but then you're just hope. Like the reason I compare it to 564 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,200 that is like I'm pretty sure at worst he's the slot receiver and 565 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,120 maybe he catches a touchdown in the right week. 566 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:49,280 Like that's that's I think my bad outcomes are a lot of them. 567 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,080 Well, can I offer a rebuttal that makes Ladd not nearly as 568 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:58,840 appealing? Sure, Quentin Johnston was an 569 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,360 effective slot wide receiver in college. 570 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,200 More than effective, a really good one. 571 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:07,440 Brutal outside wide receiver. I talked to Matt Harmon last 572 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,600 week and he was like, they basically just asked Quentin 573 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,600 Johnston to play a position he never played. 574 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,320 It'd be like, it'd be like drafting Kyle Pitts and asking 575 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:17,760 him to be a boundary wide receiver. 576 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,360 Like more or less like, no wonder he couldn't do it. 577 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,160 And like, yeah, obviously he stunk and he had the drops and 578 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,200 he look always a body catcher, all this stuff. 579 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:32,120 It would not be an insane use of roster strategy for the Chargers 580 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,280 to play Quinton Johnson out of the slot where they think he can 581 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,960 probably be at least a replacement level player. 582 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,960 And remember, Crane, all the scout Bros, they all told us, 583 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,120 well, that brings 79% of his routes from the outside of 584 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,920 Georgia. They all, you know, they were 585 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:51,320 like, he can be an outside wide receiver and maybe he can, but 586 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:52,920 you don't want it. Here in training camp, that we 587 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,280 can, that he can. You you don't want that for 588 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:56,680 fantasy though. For fantasy, that's. 589 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,920 AI want him to run as many routes as he can, so if you're 590 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,640 telling. Me, he's his target upside, I 591 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,600 think. I don't know that it does 592 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,040 because if you're if he's only like what could limit his target 593 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,400 upside if he only plays in the slot and he has like a 70% route 594 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,480 rate, that could potentially limit his target upside because 595 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:15,840 he's not on the field a bunch of times. 596 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,360 But if this dude's rotating to the outside in three wide 597 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,920 receiver sets in, what am I saying? 598 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,520 Yeah, he he's if he's mixing up where he's running. 599 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,680 QJ is the rotational the. Ideal. 600 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,400 QJ is the rotational. I mean, the ideal scenario, 601 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,280 right, is in all three wide receiver sets, lads and. 602 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,000 He's on the field that's and then in. 603 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,560 Two wide receiver sets. He's, you know, playing the 604 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,640 flank or something, right? So you do want him to have the 605 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,960 versatility. But it you know it, I guess it 606 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:42,480 what? What? 607 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,200 He is, he does by the way they they like him most in the slot 608 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,560 but but he is looking like he can play on the outside. 609 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,320 Yeah, I do think that. I mean, there's been some quotes 610 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,720 on this too. I do think the Chargers will 611 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,840 change up Quinton Johnson's usage and get him some looks in 612 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:58,640 the slot. I'd be surprised if they're 613 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:03,440 like, he's our default slot wide receiver in most formations. 614 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,080 But yeah, I think it it certainly would be good for him 615 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,280 if they mixed him in there 3040% of the time, something along 616 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,960 those lines. The the one I don't like is 617 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,320 Palmer. I I'm just, I'm just out. 618 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,840 I take some Palmer, you know, I have a lot of Rishi Rice, Josh 619 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,200 Palmer. It works pretty well for that. 620 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,880 I'm also pretty much always looking to backdoor Drake 621 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:27,800 Maystack, so Palmer gets me on that. 622 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,320 Tyler Lockett The perfect blanket for Rashi Rice. 623 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,480 He's good, yeah. No, Tyler Lockett's a good way 624 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,800 to play that. There's a decent amount of guys 625 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,080 in that range. Josh Downs, I think you can use 626 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,080 a little bit like I'm. Pat doesn't know Ball. 627 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:42,720 He didn't say Dantavian Wicks first. 628 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,560 Dantavian Wicks is going in the the 80s at this point. 629 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,520 So. He's he's about to flip rice. 630 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,800 Yeah. So I mean, I think Palmer serves 631 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,680 a purpose. I I actually don't, I don't 632 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,280 think he's like horribly priced. Like, remember when we did the 633 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,280 Marcus Callaway thing? Yes. 634 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,920 But he went out Callaway but at wide receiver 55, not wide 635 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,320 receiver 38. Yeah, or, or remember when we 636 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,880 did, who was the guy that went on the Bucks? 637 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,600 Russell Gage, you know when we did that. 638 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:22,400 I I I remember that as well. I, so I did want to do a quick, 639 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,320 a quick game with, with Josh Ballmer because I think I'm, I'm 640 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,400 more on Pat's side. I don't think he's like some 641 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,080 amazing smash selection, but I do think he's been a little bit 642 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,080 better in his NFL career than some people are giving him 643 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,040 credit for. This is Josh Palmer verse a 644 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,560 mystery wide receiver. This is just last year's season. 645 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,200 If it's Sam, the mystery guy has to be JSN. 646 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,480 It's JSM, there's no mystery. No, it's. 647 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,320 It's not JSN. I'll give you another guess. 648 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,680 I had 19% charts for outruns so I'm I'm actually shocked. 649 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,120 I'm actually shocked. JSN's not yard for Outrun, dude. 650 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,600 I Yeah, I mean, Jason's yard for Outrun was not that high. 651 00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,440 It was like the. The funny thing is, Sam actually 652 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,680 just made this chart F of memory. 653 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,520 He didn't even have to even have to double check. 654 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,480 No. Yeah, these might not be right, 655 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,560 you know, all the way to the decimal point, but they're 656 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:16,280 directionally accurate. OK, give give me a hint if it's. 657 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,040 If it's not transient, give me a hint. 4th year wide receiver 658 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,760 last year was rookie contract. T Higgins. 659 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,800 You are correct. Wow, so again. 660 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,600 Another another guy who sucks ass secretly. 661 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:36,240 That no one. Yeah, but again, like this is, 662 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,080 this is nitpicking Higgins a little bit 'cause last year was 663 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,320 his worst year. But he just loved this game so 664 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,280 much. This does not back find someone. 665 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,040 Who had the worst year of their career? 666 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,880 Now they're Josh Palmer. But but I will say a lot of the 667 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,560 defense of T Higgins is like, oh, he was injured like that 668 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,560 drags down his like scoring. But this is these are per route 669 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,280 stats, yards per out run and targets per out run. 670 00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:00,720 Josh Palmer and T Higgins nearly identical last year in similar X 671 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,080 wide receiver roles. So I don't think Josh Palmer is 672 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,440 as good as T Higgins, but I think he's somewhere on like 673 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,520 his. Game logs were a little bit 674 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,840 better than I. I got AI got a hand up on this 675 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,840 one I I like. After last week's show, I went 676 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,360 and looked at some of Palmer's stuff and he's a little bit 677 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,760 better than I remember. But I mean, yes, he was better 678 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:27,159 last year than we remember, but he had 1.2 yards per out run. 679 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,760 He has a rookie 1.2 yards per out run again as a sophomore. 680 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,600 And he has this, you know, moderately efficient season last 681 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,239 year with JSM being absolutely terrible. 682 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,679 I guess, you know, now the Keenan Allen's gone, Mike Wings 683 00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:41,199 is gone. Maybe he repeats that. 684 00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:46,800 But there is like a long history of guys generally just like, not 685 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,440 being good, but like, maybe they have one season where they're 686 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,639 like, Oh, yeah, like this. This is a remember that guy most 687 00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:55,000 likely. Most yeah, most likely, but 688 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,360 you're you're paying a price of 105 and I just think in the 689 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:02,760 context of the Chargers wide receiver room, it's like, I 690 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,280 don't know like is 1.2 and 1.2 yards for outrun to start your 691 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,200 career as like a kind of developmental like round 4 692 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,120 prospect like those that doesn't scream out as like terrible to 693 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:13,960 me. Also one of those seasons he had 694 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:18,480 over 100 targets on the season. So he's shown he can earn some 695 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,720 level of targets like he. Also, it has operated just, this 696 00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:25,200 is sort of anecdotally just from like watching him, but he at 697 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,080 times was like filling in for Keenan Allen and then a time 698 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,640 kind of like a pure deep threat. And so he's moved around. 699 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,600 Versatile things. He's kind of versatile. 700 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,040 I think he came in as like kind of a deep threat, but it doesn't 701 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:36,640 have great. Speed. 702 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,280 Well, he played at Tennessee when they were like a giant, 703 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,520 giant mess. He was one of those guys where 704 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,480 the film guys were. It's just kind of impossible 705 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,160 There were film guys. Mike Renner? 706 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:47,760 Really. High Mike Renner loved him. 707 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,040 Yeah, remember, just from the film stuff. 708 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,880 So I don't know, I'm just keep in this wide open of wide 709 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,120 receiver room, especially in the context of Herbert going so 710 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,440 cheap. I do kind of like the Palmer 711 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,840 click when I've been kind of boxed out of other stacks. 712 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,840 Maybe I've been sniped on a Joe Burrow stack or something. 713 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:08,720 And like the Palmer, Herbert stack feels really good at cost 714 00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:11,040 to me with how late both those guys are going. 715 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,400 No, I mean, I have 11% Palmer. I'm realizing that like the way 716 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,680 like, you know, Leonie's like on board with Davis''s point. 717 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,360 And then he says the thing at the end and then he's off. 718 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,960 This is this is me and you with these with these player 719 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:24,400 comparison things. Like Palmer. 720 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:25,800 Palmer. And then he's like, yeah, he's 721 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:30,160 basically just T Higgins. Hey, hey, man, try to argue with 722 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:31,520 the numbers. He's better than T Higgins. 723 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:32,920 I'm. Sorry, I've upgraded. 724 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,640 I've upgraded Palmer to a 4% exposure blanket. 725 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:38,480 I love that. Nice. 726 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,560 Yeah, I love that and. I'm only at 9 on Higgins so 727 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,600 maybe I maybe I agree with Sam after all. 728 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,880 Dude, I mean, we can just be I. I just can't wait for the year 729 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,040 where we can finally stop pretending that D Eggins is 730 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:51,360 good. It's it's coming in a couple. 731 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:52,320 Of years. I think it's coming. 732 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,440 I think once he. Signs with the Panthers next 733 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:55,760 year, we can finally stop pretending. 734 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,000 Yeah, you beat me. You beat me to it. 735 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,560 I was gonna say once he signs the Kenny Galladay Memorial 736 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,040 contract. Oh no. 737 00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:07,480 Oh no. So actually I did one up before 738 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,160 in the spirit of the show. We're, we're talking really deep 739 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,200 guys here. I'm curious, starting with 740 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,720 Ukraine, any, any of these guys like piqued your interest, the 741 00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:18,840 Darius Davis, Brennan Rice, Cornelius Johnson, like not 742 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,120 necessarily drafting now, but like anything in their profiles 743 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:26,000 that like say we get some hype on them later in the year. 744 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,400 Are you intrigued by any of these guys? 745 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,880 Are you kind of ruling them out 'cause I'm, I'm somewhat 746 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,160 intrigued just with how wide open this depth chart is. 747 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,320 I'm not really that intrigued. I mean, we kind of know what 748 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,960 Shark is and he's probably going to, he's like the most likely of 749 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,960 these guys to do anything that we don't expect this offense to 750 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:48,440 be embracing the pass. So I think that the expensive 751 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,760 guys are the most the two most expensive guys are like we think 752 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,840 like what are we looking to do? It's like a guy who can come in 753 00:37:54,840 --> 00:38:00,440 and just take a huge share of of the targets and kind of like put 754 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,520 the offense on his back. This actually, this offense is 755 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,640 one of those where you could see that happening where like, you 756 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,720 know, a Greg Roman offense isn't going to pass a ton, but it has 757 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,080 supported big target shares for guys. 758 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,240 Someone was noting, I think in the YouTube comments somewhere 759 00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:18,160 that Sammy Watkins was originally in a Greg Roman 760 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,200 offense when he had his like one Goodyear. 761 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,720 So like there is, you know, it's kind of an old school offense. 762 00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:26,120 Maybe they just funnel targets to to one guy. 763 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,520 I could see that being LAD. I could see it being Palmer and 764 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,680 I think both are reasonably priced. 765 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,000 They're not like screaming values. 766 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,960 But to me though, that's kind of the way that's sort of what I 767 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,920 see us doing here. I don't think it's Johnston. 768 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,040 I think when you flopped that hard as a rookie, like you're 769 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:46,200 couple years away from really doing anything even interesting. 770 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:52,000 So I I think if anything kind of Johnston and Charc provide a 771 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,840 higher percentage that it flows through Mcconkey or Palmer. 772 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,440 Well, I thought we'd get further in the show before I unleashed 773 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,520 my hottest take, which is that I think Brendan Rice is the best 774 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,360 Puka Nico candidate this year. Okay, damn. 775 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:09,240 Obviously my view made me assign a confidence interval on that. 776 00:39:09,240 --> 00:39:14,520 It would be low, but he he kind of meets the things the in a in 777 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,400 a very similar way to puka. He transferred in college due to 778 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,920 some weirdness. He played on a weird college 779 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,440 team, like arguably one of the weirdest college teams with the 780 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,880 whole like final season at USC where like everything is just 781 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,640 crumbling around you, your quarterbacks crying in the 782 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,200 stands. You like it's just it's all it's 783 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,320 all a mess. He played with a bunch of other 784 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,040 NFL players. Before going first overall. 785 00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:40,160 Before going for yeah, just very, very bizarre the final 786 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,160 season. But we've got we've got you 787 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:48,600 know, he plays with Jordan Addison Taj Taj Washington and 788 00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:51,920 one other wide receiver whose name I forget who are now all on 789 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:56,360 on on NFL rosters. Very solid combine for his size 790 00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:02,200 6221045 like not like not like a crazy one, but he got on the 791 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,960 field really young and I Crane I don't have access to any of like 792 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,200 this the yards per route run and all that stuff. 793 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,680 But I'm going to guess. He probably was was pretty 794 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,040 strong in those two. .75 last year. 795 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,160 Yeah, he just played and he scored. 796 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,880 He scored 12 touchdowns. I mean, that is that was a huge 797 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,800 chunk of their offense last year. 798 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,400 And he was the weirdly, he was the only USC wide receiver who 799 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,720 did not rotate a ton. USC would do this really 800 00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:32,160 annoying thing where wide receivers would only play like 801 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:37,040 50% of the snaps they had. They had 11 guys with over 13 802 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,360 receptions which is very bizarre for a college team. 803 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,320 This and this is the most wide open depth chart in football I 804 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,560 think. Yeah, I I don't hate the take 805 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,880 and I do think back to the puka point. 806 00:40:50,240 --> 00:40:53,360 Brandon Rice I think gets dinged in some models like J JS because 807 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,480 his yards per team pass attempt I think is pretty weak, but his 808 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,760 yards for route run is actually pretty good. 809 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,240 I don't think it was like Puka Nakua levels in college. 810 00:41:01,240 --> 00:41:05,240 But again, that discrepancy, sometimes he gets lost a little 811 00:41:05,240 --> 00:41:08,960 bit in these models. So yeah, maybe there's a story 812 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,120 there where I, I don't know why that there's that discrepancy. 813 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:13,960 Maybe he was banged up. Maybe he was a wide receiver 814 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,080 rotation. Not exactly sure, but that's 815 00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,120 something positive there with him. 816 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,320 I I do think like Davis, are you drafting him now? 817 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,240 Are you waiting to see some hype? 818 00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:26,160 Not. Not like a lot, like I'm not 819 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,640 like I don't have like 40% bread and rice bags. 820 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,200 But like if Greg Dorch is gone at the end of a draft, yeah. 821 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:36,720 I, I mean, I, I, I think there's an edge in that in the, in that 822 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,400 they're like, so let's say Brendan Rice is for sure making 823 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,400 the team or whatever. You know, it becomes pretty 824 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,800 clear he's going to play, maybe even play over Quinn Johnston. 825 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,600 He starts to get drafted all the time in ADP combinations that 826 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,800 are not possible because of other stuff. 827 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,960 Like there will be teams that you can draft right now with 828 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,920 18th round Brendan Rice that you will not be able to on August 829 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,000 22nd. I think just a, just a 830 00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,840 challenge, a challenge to, you know, if you happen to be like 831 00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,560 professionally covering the chargers just like right up. 832 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,880 Like, just like the rookies, What's what's going on? 833 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,560 You'll get so much. You'll get so much engagement. 834 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:14,640 Yeah, you would get a lot of engagement. 835 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,080 Let me tell you there is a hole right now in the market. 836 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,240 Arizona, Arizona Cardinals and the Los Angeles Chargers. 837 00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:23,040 It's like, it's like the worst beat situations in in the league 838 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,360 somehow. I like, I haven't heard anything 839 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,360 about Brendan Rice, but I don't know that that says anything 840 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,000 about Brendan Rice 'cause I haven't heard anything about 841 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,840 Kamani Vidal either. And, and from what we like. 842 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,800 So Kyle Dvorak did a deep dive on Vidal and he like listened to 843 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,320 podcasts and stuff and he was like, yeah, like everyone thinks 844 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,200 he's making the roster. Like he, they think Spiller's 845 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,000 going to be on practice squad. He's making the roster. 846 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:48,240 So like it's not even that he's not on like the team's radar. 847 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,840 They just aren't writing about him. 848 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,640 It's a wide open backfield that they are not writing about. 849 00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,320 So I don't know. I, I, it's probably just out of 850 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,480 sight, out of mind a little bit. And also he did go in the 851 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:02,800 seventh round, which even though. 852 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,480 This was no, this was the pick. This was no, no, it's not. 853 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:07,880 This was the point I wanted to get. 854 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,160 I mean, obviously it's not as good as being a third round pick 855 00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,800 or whatever, but or. Even fifth round, like seventh 856 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,520 round, is scary. If you wanted to make an 857 00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:20,440 argument for why it is in any way interpreted as positive, 858 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:24,120 it's that even spending a seventh round pick for a guy who 859 00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,800 plays no special teams, he's not going to return kicks. 860 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,720 He's not going to like Jerry Rice's kid is not playing punt 861 00:43:29,720 --> 00:43:30,960 gunner. It's not happening. 862 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,880 You take him there because you think there's a chance that he 863 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,400 can be he. Might be playing punt gunner. 864 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,560 He, he just wouldn't, I, I literally think he just would. 865 00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,640 He'd be like, I'm not, it's not happening for me. 866 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:45,160 Like, do you know who my dad is? I, I'm guess I'm gonna guess he 867 00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:49,040 plays no special team. He just plays no special team. 868 00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:53,080 So either he's making the roster as the 4th wide receiver, or 869 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,480 he's just not making the roster. Yeah. 870 00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,560 Yeah, that. I mean, if if I don't know 871 00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,080 anything about, are you saying that because he didn't play 872 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,840 special teams in college or do you think that's just because 873 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,680 he's Jerry Rice's son? He didn't play special teams in 874 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,440 college and OK. And he's not a good athlete, I 875 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:10,040 guess. Really. 876 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:15,240 It it would be and and Cornelius Johnson is was not a good wide 877 00:44:15,240 --> 00:44:19,960 receiver in college, but is like just like he's going to be the 878 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,800 new Matthew Slater for. Harbaugh, so he's that's the guy 879 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,560 I wanted to touch on really briefly. 880 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,560 Again, obviously not drafting him now, but if if anyone on the 881 00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:31,920 charges wants to cover the team and he gets some hype, I would 882 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,520 be interested because A he played at Michigan with 883 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,360 Harbaugh. So he has the familiarity there. 884 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:44,320 And BI guess three reasons. B absolute freak athlete 9.91 885 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:49,360 Ras he's 63212 ran a 44440. So he could be like if Quinton 886 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,720 Johnson just sucks, they could be like this is the new freak 887 00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:54,040 athlete guy. We're just going to get on the 888 00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:58,720 field for screens whatever. And last thing there were some 889 00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:04,200 positive notes in his profile. I was looking at J JS pre NFL 890 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:08,360 draft prospect model stuff today and you know, some of his stuff 891 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,480 looks better in the context of the low volume offense at 892 00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,680 Michigan. He was playing alongside other 893 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:18,040 NFL players like Roman Wilson. So you know, JJ's, you know, 894 00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,920 paraphrasing JJ was like, if you squint, this isn't like the 895 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:25,280 worst 6th 7th round wide receiver ever. 896 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,080 So I do think there's there's just some slight positives with 897 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,800 him that make him intriguing if there's sort of any hype that we 898 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,280 get later in the offseason. Let me just share this with the 899 00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,240 people here. So when you search the athletic, 900 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,480 just control that. For anyone interested on the 901 00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:50,040 Chargers, here's what you get. Are the people nerdy enough to 902 00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:51,360 know that sound? Are they? 903 00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,080 Do they know? Do they know about that? 904 00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,240 Yeah. You, you get you get nothing on 905 00:45:55,240 --> 00:45:57,600 Vidal. You get nothing on Brennan Rice. 906 00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,640 You get nothing on Cornelius Johnson. 907 00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:01,600 You get nothing. You. 908 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,320 Get nothing This, by the way, this that was literally from an 909 00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:10,480 article titled Chargers prepared to to move to El Segundo. 910 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,920 Plus other notes from final day of mini camp. 911 00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:17,320 Other notes from final day of mini camp maybe note maybe note. 912 00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,520 Some interesting stuff about that would be a good thing to 913 00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:24,000 note. Yeah, it's, it's frustrating. 914 00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,760 It's insane. Let's talk here about the 915 00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:29,320 Patriots. I think this. 916 00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:35,480 Is truly this will be quick. Yeah, I mean, there's only like 917 00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,000 10 to 12 wide receivers that we have to talk about here. 918 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,800 So should breeze right through it. 919 00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:43,240 Where where do we start here, Pat? 920 00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,620 I've been, I think the top three, I guess my, my quick take 921 00:46:46,620 --> 00:46:50,080 away is Polk, Demario, Douglas, Javon Baker. 922 00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:55,200 I want all of them, especially Polk and and Douglas I think. 923 00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:56,960 But I like all three of these guys a lot. 924 00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:58,520 Where are you on the the Patriot stuff? 925 00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:03,400 Yeah, I think Polk is one of the best picks in the entire player 926 00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:08,240 pool. You get the Drake may upside. 927 00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:10,920 I think it was Madison Park Hill is underlining this of like, if 928 00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,280 you're not that interested in the Drake May, you know, 929 00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,600 starting when does he start and all that, Polk is the cleanest 930 00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,600 way to play it because you're getting the upside of 931 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,960 potentially Brissette playing well early in early in the 932 00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:23,640 season. The other thing is that like I 933 00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:27,680 so I was not excited when they drafted Polk, given that I would 934 00:47:27,720 --> 00:47:29,600 I'm really rooting for Drake May. 935 00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,240 I think he's a great prospect already had a decent amount 936 00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:34,440 invested in him by the point that he was drafted. 937 00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:41,320 And you know, Polk is not like the most high upside archetype 938 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:45,480 of of receiver, but he's kind of like this professional kind of 939 00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,800 kind of Rogers compared him to Chris Godwin as like his his 940 00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,000 upside comp for him. But that's sort of you know, 941 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,160 he's going to he's going to do stuff over the middle. 942 00:47:54,160 --> 00:48:01,000 He's he's got really good hands. But as far as like betting on a 943 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:05,520 guy to make an immediate impact in a wide open depth chart, that 944 00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,960 that's a pretty good archetype, right? 945 00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,160 Like be a professional. Like being a professional is 946 00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,520 enough to make a pretty big impact. 947 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,120 Now in year two, year three, is Polk going to hold off? 948 00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:20,320 Like if they bring in like a really, really talented wide 949 00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,960 receiver next year with like the overall pick or T Higgins? 950 00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,800 And is he going to be awesome? Well, yeah. 951 00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,800 So you get old after the Higgins, but I mean, you know. 952 00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,760 He's basically Josh Palmer, but. Like he's basically just Josh 953 00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,840 Palmer. But like, yeah, that's where you 954 00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,000 start to wonder if Polk's gonna have that high of a ceiling. 955 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:44,240 But I mean, just being a competent, solid professional at 956 00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:46,520 pick 140 and then Drake May is good. 957 00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:48,920 That's a that leads us to a big win. 958 00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,480 So Polk, I think is just a smash right now. 959 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,720 I've actually been trying to take more of him. 960 00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:57,160 I already am at 21% and he's, I feel like I've been a little bit 961 00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:00,760 too light. I'd like to I'd like to get up 962 00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:02,400 like I think he's kind of a player. 963 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,000 You should I. I want to be at like 25% + 1 964 00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,400 poke right now. You got to be at 25% plus of 965 00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,080 every Huskies wide receiver last year. 966 00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,240 That's that's the key to to winning DBM. 967 00:49:11,240 --> 00:49:12,320 That's how we that's how we went. 968 00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,640 Yeah. That reflects my exposures from 969 00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,320 the big board, so I hope that works. 970 00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:20,880 Davis, anything. I think we've talked a lot on 971 00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:24,360 Polk here. Anything on on Douglas or or 972 00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,480 Baker or some of these other later Patriots. 973 00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:31,680 Any other guys target? I think the the inconvenient 974 00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:35,760 truth for the Jalen Polk bags might be Demario Douglas, who is 975 00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:40,120 already a competent professional wide receiver who's demonstrated 976 00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:44,040 an ability to get open at the NFL level, didn't score any 977 00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,400 touchdowns. I don't know how much you can 978 00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,560 really hold that against him given the context, the offense 979 00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,920 that he was in. They were the, I got to remember 980 00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,880 off the top of my head last 30 years. 981 00:49:55,240 --> 00:49:58,400 They were one of the thirty lowest scoring offenses period 982 00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,160 in terms of touchdown production, like historically, 983 00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:07,040 historically bad. And I guess Polk played a lot 984 00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,920 out of the slot in Washington. I think he's Cape. 985 00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,800 I think the ball knowers say he's capable of doing both 986 00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,440 things of of kind of like what we're actually talking about 987 00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,800 with the Chargers. I worry. 988 00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,920 I think Pat is correct about Polk. 989 00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:25,120 He's the better ceiling guy. He's a good bet to get on the 990 00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:29,760 field quite quickly. I worry that both his floor and 991 00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,320 his ceiling are impacted by Douglas, who just like is not 992 00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,400 going to go away, who just like is going to be on the field and 993 00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,720 and earn some variety of targets. 994 00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,880 I think we I think we found our Tutu here. 995 00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,200 Yeah. So, so it's actually, I think 996 00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,120 that's actually, I think that's actually a good comp. 997 00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:47,840 He just is like going to be on the field. 998 00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,760 He's going to earn some targets, probably more targets than 999 00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,600 Atwell, but has, you know, a much lower average depth of 1000 00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,880 target. I would argue that Douglas is 1001 00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,720 probably the one that's most sensitive to May being as good 1002 00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:06,560 as Corrine, and I think he is where if he is actually quite 1003 00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,280 good. If he is, let's not even say 1004 00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,200 good. Let's say he's the 16th best 1005 00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,760 quarterback in the NFL this upcoming season, which would 1006 00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,880 definitely be a win for Pat and I and A win for Sam as well. 1007 00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:17,440 Who wants to? Root we just go ahead and lock 1008 00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:18,960 that in. Is that is that possible? 1009 00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:20,640 Yeah, I take, I think I take that. 1010 00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:24,040 I take that right now. I think that's huge for Douglas 1011 00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:29,200 because it means he can go from being I don't know, I'm trying 1012 00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:33,880 to think of a good comp like A and Eddie Royal style player, 1013 00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:38,240 you know, just like totally fine to a guy who can like actually 1014 00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:44,600 score 13.1 half point PPR points per game or something, which is 1015 00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:45,760 high. That's a high bar. 1016 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,320 You know, that's not that's not nothing. 1017 00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:53,200 Obviously the inconvenientest truth is KJ Osborne, who reports 1018 00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,040 seem to suggest is like not only going to make the team, but 1019 00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,440 might even be considered number one in the wide receiver 1020 00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,480 hierarchy right now. None of which is to say my 1021 00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,440 favorite one is Javon Baker, because Baker has the most 1022 00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,840 correlated ceiling to May in my opinion. 1023 00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,920 Where if May is who I think he is, The one that he 1024 00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,840 stylistically fits with the best is Baker. 1025 00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:17,160 Baker's just Davontes Walker the Davontes Walker role that May 1026 00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,480 excelled with so much at at UNC. Yeah. 1027 00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,400 Yeah, I think the Demario like could, you know, if you just 1028 00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:29,320 look at like not much else being functional is good enough. 1029 00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:34,160 Like Hunter Renfro had 1000 yard season back in 2022, back in 1030 00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:35,760 2021. Sorry, thousands. 1031 00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,360 Easy said this in the chat earlier that the better exercise 1032 00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,440 here is not finding this year's Nakua, it's finding third year 1033 00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,680 Hunter Renfro, who finished wide receiver 9 1/2 PPR. 1034 00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,520 Yeah, I mean that that's potentially Douglas. 1035 00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,120 Like I, I, I like Douglas. I take Douglas. 1036 00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:56,160 My general bet on the Patriots is just betting on the Patriots. 1037 00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,320 Just take all I like Polk, I like Douglas, I like Baker, I 1038 00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,840 take Osborne. Do you guys, do you guys want to 1039 00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,080 do another mystery wide receiver game with the Mary Douglas? 1040 00:53:04,240 --> 00:53:06,200 Yeah, let's do it. You're going to love this one. 1041 00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,560 All right now. This is this. 1042 00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:12,720 This is. You guys, you guys were too 1043 00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:14,880 early. You guys were just a little too 1044 00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:16,680 early. You knew I was going to get to 1045 00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:18,840 an event. There was only there was only 1046 00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,160 two guys it could it could possibly be on either of. 1047 00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:26,200 Those I mean, again, in the context of the offense he was in 1048 00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,160 last year. I mean Demario Douglas is better 1049 00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,080 than JSN. I don't know how you can argue. 1050 00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,760 With the other one, I love this. I'm actually. 1051 00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:38,240 On this one he might be. I think unironically had Demario 1052 00:53:38,240 --> 00:53:41,680 Douglas gone to Ohio State he'd have been like a second round 1053 00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:42,880 pick probably. How many? 1054 00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,960 What would he have done in that in that final game that JSN 1055 00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:46,960 went? Well, he was getting covered. 1056 00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,520 He was getting covered by Micah Bernard, a running back, so he 1057 00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:50,720 probably would have just went nuts. 1058 00:53:50,720 --> 00:53:53,520 Imagine that those routes against our running back that is 1059 00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,040 3. 100 yards in that bowl game, Sam. 1060 00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,960 Sam, you find 3. 100 yards in that bowl game, yeah, against 1061 00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,760 the backup running back playing corner was super impressive. 1062 00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:06,920 Sam, Sam finding that in the peak of JSN like everyone, 1063 00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,120 because JSN was the prospect that offseason where everyone 1064 00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,000 tried to be higher on him than everyone else. 1065 00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,080 And Sam going totally the other way and being like they had a 1066 00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:16,960 running back covering this guy in his game. 1067 00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:18,320 Like, let maybe let's settle down. 1068 00:54:18,720 --> 00:54:22,320 Sam, you, you should parade that around more truly. 1069 00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,320 Well, you can't, because you're in on him now. 1070 00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:26,800 It's just his wrist bro. It's. 1071 00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:27,920 His wrist. Yeah, he's. 1072 00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:34,840 Dropped impressed you're. JSN I I think he's a totally 1073 00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,560 average pick this year, but my I don't know like I don't like I 1074 00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,520 don't like talking about it 'cause my brand is is anti JSN. 1075 00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:43,800 So yeah, we'll edit this part out, but. 1076 00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:47,080 Sam's gonna win mini. The mini Schnauz are three with 1077 00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:50,000 with 100% JSN. That is the correct way to play. 1078 00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,080 You know, like we're Bayesian, we got to update prices change 1079 00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:54,840 and all that, but just don't talk about it. 1080 00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,280 Don't talk about how you're in on JSN, no. 1081 00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,520 No, don't talk about it. It's just it's just going to 1082 00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,960 look worse for you when he inevitably is worse than the 1083 00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,320 Mario Douglas, which he clearly is by the numbers. 1084 00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,080 So just, I mean, the numbers don't lie, you know? 1085 00:55:07,240 --> 00:55:10,480 The numbers literally don't not. I mean, this is these are passes 1086 00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,200 guys from Bailey Zappy and Mack Jones. 1087 00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,680 God, if Drake May is the 16th best quarterback. 1088 00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:19,440 Oh, come on. Come on, Drake. 1089 00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:20,600 Please be good. Yeah. 1090 00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:24,360 Now can I admit something amongst friends real quick here 1091 00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,880 before we do this, I'm starting. I am getting worried because all 1092 00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,600 the Patriots people I follow, they are, they are not 1093 00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,600 optimistic about this team. They are like, they are like, 1094 00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:36,400 this is the worst offensive line ever. 1095 00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:37,880 Yeah, the offensive lines, apparently. 1096 00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,120 There's a bunch of 20 year old wide receivers with the 22 year 1097 00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:44,040 old quarterback. There's no adult in the I guess 1098 00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,360 Hunter Henry is the adult pass catcher. 1099 00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:51,120 It's new head coach, new OC, first time had Jerrod Nail was 1100 00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,200 playing like nine years ago like this. 1101 00:55:53,600 --> 00:56:00,720 Like it could, it could if May is not like if May is not, it's 1102 00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:02,960 not even about his ability. I think it's like if he's not 1103 00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:06,160 emotionally mature enough to handle all of this, like it 1104 00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:09,120 could be Zach Wilson. Like we could have bags of of 1105 00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:13,000 Zach Wilson for real. Yeah, I mean, it's it's 1106 00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:16,200 possible. Like you, you part of the appeal 1107 00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,040 with the rookie quarterback is we don't know yet. 1108 00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:22,800 And one of the things you sometimes learn is that, yeah, 1109 00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,400 we just don't know. But we didn't know what Zach 1110 00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:26,880 Wilson either. We didn't know what thought 1111 00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:28,560 that. No one thought that. 1112 00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:31,160 So you know, we could be, we could be very wrong. 1113 00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,080 It's definitely possible. Yeah, at least the Patriots have 1114 00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,760 taken like, this is not an impressive wide receiver depth 1115 00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:41,200 chart, but like, having born in Osborne as your wide receiver 4, 1116 00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:45,000 Wide receiver 5, it's at least like somewhat, well, it's gonna 1117 00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,200 be somewhat competent, right? Like, I don't know, maybe I'm 1118 00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:51,080 wrong about that, but they have a lot of players here like. 1119 00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,480 I think Bourne is good. It's just it's like the ACL. 1120 00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:54,720 Does he come? What does he look like coming 1121 00:56:54,720 --> 00:56:56,760 back up the ACL? But if he's the guy we had in 1122 00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,800 the last. Pedro Osborne is is cromulent. 1123 00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,720 Yeah, he's cromulent. I do think we're we're gonna 1124 00:57:03,720 --> 00:57:07,240 continue to get cheap prices on these younger guys because I 1125 00:57:07,240 --> 00:57:09,920 mean, just just be ready for the reports that Born and Osborne 1126 00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,920 are playing with the starters because I think we're getting 1127 00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:13,840 those. They're already. 1128 00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,320 They're already there. KJ Osborne is the wide receiver 1129 00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,320 one, per all the most recent reports. 1130 00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:22,120 Yeah, I'm pretending. I mean his stats in Minnesota. 1131 00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,040 Are the wide receiver one? I heard that he was clearly 1132 00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:27,240 start. No this is I I just read it 1133 00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:31,160 yesterday I don't even remember what outlet from but I mean it 1134 00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,280 doesn't mean anything it's it's July 1st but. 1135 00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:39,240 He's like a career like 13% targets for outrun, like one 1136 00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,440 like right around one yards for outrun. 1137 00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:44,760 Like it I'm I'm kind of pretending he doesn't exist. 1138 00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,560 I think it's fine to pretend he doesn't exist still. 1139 00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,640 I mean, he's, he's in the rankings and everything upside, 1140 00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,040 but I mean, he's and Sacrilegious has been talking 1141 00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:54,440 about him every day since February. 1142 00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,880 Yeah, why is sacrilegious so obsessed with him, man, But he 1143 00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,000 keeps. Being more right and I'm very 1144 00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,160 annoyed by it cuz I'm just like I don't wanna have to think 1145 00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:03,880 about this. Chad is right. 1146 00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,240 It just said he was starting. Just said he was starting OK, 1147 00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:08,880 not the number one. That's what I'd read. 1148 00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:13,320 So I mean, I think Pope has a very clear path to being the 1149 00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:16,280 number one and then maybe like Demario Douglas has a clear path 1150 00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:18,240 potentially to having the highest targets for outrun, but 1151 00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:19,840 he's not going to run all the routes because he's like an 1152 00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:23,800 undersized slot. So, you know, I think that those 1153 00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:25,440 are the two best ways to play it. 1154 00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,280 They're also the two most expensive, but they're very 1155 00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,360 cheap. Javon Baker. 1156 00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:31,960 I want to get some more thoughts from you guys on him because 1157 00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,880 like on the one hand, you know, if we're just looking for puka, 1158 00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:39,840 he was a it's. Not the it's not the right 1159 00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,520 stylistic thing 'cause I don't think he's can get that many 1160 00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:45,840 targets. Probably not, but what are we 1161 00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:49,360 looking for, right With puka? We want to see some flashes of 1162 00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:52,680 efficiency, maybe moved around to different schools. 1163 00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,920 This guy started at Alabama. I think that's, I think to get 1164 00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:57,680 the new puka, they had to have transferred. 1165 00:58:57,880 --> 00:58:59,240 They had to have transferred to that role. 1166 00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:00,520 You had to have transferred in common, yeah. 1167 00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:04,320 Four years had to be in the COVID because it's so this is 1168 00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:06,880 going away soon. And then you got to then you got 1169 00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:11,320 to transfer. He had 3.21 yards per route run 1170 00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:15,640 in his final season, 2.53 over the course of his career, which 1171 00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:17,880 is solid. Not like crazy puka levels, but 1172 00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:21,800 he was, he like flashed a little in very limited routes at 1173 00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:25,720 Alabama and then was really good this final season at UCF. 1174 00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:29,480 So then you got land on a depth chart where there's immediate 1175 00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:32,120 opportunity, which I think there very clearly is. 1176 00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:36,760 I just don't know if he's any good at all and I haven't heard 1177 00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,320 that much hype on him. It seems like the hype's more on 1178 00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:42,200 Douglas and Polk. By this time last year we 1179 00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:44,160 actually had already a decent amount of puka hype. 1180 00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:49,800 So the pattern matching stuff is pretty good for Baker, but he he 1181 00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:53,520 just might not be that good. Yeah, I feel similar and I do 1182 00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:57,760 think like compared to Polk and Douglas, he has the highest risk 1183 00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:01,680 of just like we don't hear from him at all this season that that 1184 01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:04,200 said, I still I still have been clicking him a lot because 1185 01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:08,880 again, like I really like Polk, but if Polk is the best wide 1186 01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:11,720 receiver on the depth chart, that's the most NBUS depth chart 1187 01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:13,280 in the league. Like we don't we don't really 1188 01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:16,080 know if Polk is good. So I still really like getting a 1189 01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:17,560 guy. He was drafted what, in the 1st 1190 01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:20,760 5 picks of the fourth round, like very close to round 3, 1191 01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:24,880 three draft capital. I still think it's for all the 1192 01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:26,800 reasons you said, Crane. I think it's still a very good 1193 01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:31,040 like archetypal bet. It's just like know, know that 1194 01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:34,360 this is a a chance of getting a zero here. 1195 01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:37,320 But again, even worst case scenario, are they not like 1196 01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:40,040 seeing what they have in him a little bit down the stretch? 1197 01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:43,440 I still think you have that out even if he's like not part of 1198 01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:45,320 their plans at all to. Start Well, I'm going to, I'm 1199 01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:47,240 going to invoke. I'm going to invoke a name that 1200 01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:48,920 really, really shouldn't say on the show. 1201 01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:51,880 But like the whole thesis for why people want to take Taekwon 1202 01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:55,000 last year was because he was the only guy on the roster who could 1203 01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,880 move his body. And I think that is true of 1204 01:00:57,880 --> 01:00:59,840 Baker Now. He, he's the only, I mean, I 1205 01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:02,840 guess Osborne was kind of in that role for Minnesota, but 1206 01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:07,880 Baker is Baker's the guy who you, you close your eyes week 17 1207 01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:10,480 against the Chargers and he's catching a 70 yard bomb. 1208 01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:12,760 Yeah, that's, that's, you're just hoping he gets on the field 1209 01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,080 by the end of the season and he's priced, you know, the 1210 01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:17,040 earliest you're really taking him is 15th round. 1211 01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:19,600 He's available in the last round of a fair amount. 1212 01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:23,000 So I, I have more Baker than I'm really comfortable with. 1213 01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,960 He's my second highest drafted receiver because I'm in, I'm 1214 01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:27,960 into the Patriots in one way or another in a lot of these 1215 01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:31,240 drafts. And then I get to the end, I'm 1216 01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:35,760 like, yeah, Javon Baker fits, but I just, I don't have the, I 1217 01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:38,880 don't have that level of confidence that he's actually, 1218 01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:41,920 you know, going to be anything but it is. 1219 01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:45,560 He has enough draft capital to where if he's decent he'll get a 1220 01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:47,280 shot. Depth charts wide open 1221 01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:50,920 correlated with potentially a a quarterback is way better than 1222 01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:53,240 people realize. It's just a pretty. 1223 01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:56,040 It's a pretty obvious one. Yeah, I agree. 1224 01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:58,800 So one hour in, we've gotten through. 1225 01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:01,800 Two, Yeah, I, I was going to say this might have been, this might 1226 01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:05,960 have been a bit of an ambitious docket for these. 1227 01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:09,080 Three just to derail us while we before we get to the third if if 1228 01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:11,080 we if we want to do a trade right. 1229 01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,400 The Chargers clearly need some more beats. 1230 01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:15,400 The Patriots have got a lot of great. 1231 01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:18,320 They've they've got like 90. The Patriots didn't have any 1232 01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:20,440 more beat writers. If someone just started the. 1233 01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:23,480 New Patriots blog today. Yeah, if you're if you're 1234 01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:25,880 looking for a little less crowded environment, maybe head 1235 01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:28,040 over here, head over here to San Diego. 1236 01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:29,440 We gotta just get to settle down. 1237 01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:31,320 Cover the chargers. Yeah, yeah. 1238 01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:34,720 Let's get Mike Reese just covering every team. 1239 01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:38,400 That guy, that guy is dialed into the Patriots stuff. 1240 01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:41,400 You can still cover the Chargers from San Diego, by the way, 1241 01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,600 'cause no one, no one's watching them in person. 1242 01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:47,360 You don't have to go either. Just, yeah, phone in, see. 1243 01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:49,120 See what's going on with Kamadi Vidal. 1244 01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:52,840 Crane, you should have you should just hire a a chargers 1245 01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:58,080 beat reporter for legendary upside like it's why not? 1246 01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:00,160 I mean, just start branching out. 1247 01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:02,760 You're right there. I'm I'm honestly tempted. 1248 01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:08,800 I'm pretty tempted. OK, getting on to so this list 1249 01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:10,360 of. Teams here Carolina, Carolina 1250 01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:13,120 will be really quick. There is no Pukunuku on a team 1251 01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:14,800 that's going to throw for 2800 yards. 1252 01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:19,680 OK, that's that's probably true. Let let me just set this up a 1253 01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:21,080 little before we get into Carolina. 1254 01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:28,120 These these teams here, I categorize these teams as teams 1255 01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:32,040 that have clear wide receiver ones, but not alpha wide 1256 01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:33,400 receiver ones. And we'll get to that list 1257 01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:35,080 later. But all these teams have wide 1258 01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:37,760 receivers going in the top 90 picks. 1259 01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:41,640 They're all proven NFL players that have had good NFL seasons 1260 01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:44,520 on the track record, but they're not elite stars. 1261 01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:47,440 There's not CD Lamb on this list, there's not Garrett Wilson 1262 01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:52,280 on this list, etcetera. So I do think the Chargers one 1263 01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:53,840 can maybe be kind of a quick conversation. 1264 01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:57,240 There's there's not really like deep guys to talk about here. 1265 01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:02,000 I think similar to the pull conversation, I do like Leggett 1266 01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:06,160 quite a bit, just betting on a first round wide receiver in NFL 1267 01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:09,320 draft going at pick 138. I do think for certain reasons 1268 01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:11,680 he's he's worse than Pole because Deante Johnson's there. 1269 01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:15,000 But again, I want to be open to the possibility that he's just a 1270 01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,920 really good player. Yeah. 1271 01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:21,240 Pat or Davis, you've made your thoughts clear on the Panthers. 1272 01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:23,800 Curious, curious Ukraine, how do you, how do you legate maybe 1273 01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:26,280 compared to like Piersall and Pole because that's often the 1274 01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:29,600 choice that you have around that ADP? 1275 01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:34,280 Yeah, I mean, I, I like Leggette. 1276 01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:37,120 I don't love Leggette. I didn't think he was a great 1277 01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:43,000 prospect. And I don't, I have a harder 1278 01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:45,520 time getting excited about the Panthers than I do about some of 1279 01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:47,320 these other teams. Like they're going to be, I 1280 01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:51,320 think a lot more competent. But like, you know, if we're 1281 01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:54,520 getting kind of a Baker level, like, oh, he's, he's actually 1282 01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:58,200 fine, you know, if you're. If you're a canalist, bro, 1283 01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:00,040 Leggett is like such a good pick. 1284 01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:02,840 Like such a good pick. But even as you know, even if 1285 01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:05,680 we're betting on canalist, like we're we're getting competence, 1286 01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:07,840 but are we getting like, oh, damn. 1287 01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:09,520 Like the Panthers are lighting it up. 1288 01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:11,720 Like I don't, I don't even think the Panthers think that. 1289 01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:14,440 Like that's not even their plan. They to me, it's more like 1290 01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:17,400 playing it through Jonathan Brooks is the way to play the 1291 01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:20,400 Panthers delivering on what they're trying to do. 1292 01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:23,280 Like they they're gonna wanna be a balanced team, probably 1293 01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:25,920 slightly run first or maybe even more than slightly run first. 1294 01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:32,400 So I'm I'm at 8% Leggett. I like Polk substantially more 1295 01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:35,000 because I think you just have those like higher end outcomes 1296 01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:39,200 where May is awesome and like slinging it and you know, you're 1297 01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:41,840 getting you're getting volume and efficiency down the stretch. 1298 01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:45,280 I have a harder time seeing it with Bryce Young after the 1299 01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:47,440 rookie year that we just got. I think it's more likely that 1300 01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:49,360 like, oh, no, he's actually competent. 1301 01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:52,080 But Deante Johnson's there. We know what Deante Johnson 1302 01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:53,320 does. Like he's going to get his 1303 01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:57,960 Targets, you know, And then so Leggette's like a smaller win, 1304 01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:00,240 which I think is fine. Like, I think he's priced 1305 01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:02,840 perfectly fine. Like, like I said, I'm even. 1306 01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:07,600 Yeah. Yeah, All right, let's move on 1307 01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:09,160 to another team. I just want to get one thing on 1308 01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:11,640 the record. If you've already drafted a 1309 01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:14,240 bunch of wide receiver, rookie wide receivers and your team, 1310 01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:18,800 Adam Thielen at pick 160, totally fine pick for the early 1311 01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,760 season stuff. I I just think his projection 1312 01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:24,600 versus ADP is insane like it is going to tail off, but if you 1313 01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:27,640 already have made a lot of late season bets, I just want it on 1314 01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:29,280 the record. That's not a bad pick. 1315 01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:34,080 Let's talk here the Broncos. I think this is actually one of 1316 01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:36,600 the more interesting ones. Again, not truly Puka Nakua 1317 01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:38,720 'cause these guys are still getting drafted the Troy 1318 01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:41,120 Franklin and Marvin Mims here, but I think this would. 1319 01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:43,920 Definitely be the puka. Franklin's the single best bet 1320 01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:46,800 to be Nakua. Yeah, I, I think Franklin. 1321 01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:50,400 More, more Amanah. It's a different architecture 1322 01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:57,160 like but guy with a strong statistical profile falls to day 1323 01:06:57,160 --> 01:07:01,440 three of the draft and is then available in the final rounds of 1324 01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:03,280 best ball. And he didn't he's on a he 1325 01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:06,080 didn't transfer. He's a three-year guy. 1326 01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:08,000 So he's he I'm saying he's a he's Amanah. 1327 01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:11,200 He's not he's not puka, he's Amanah. 1328 01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:17,560 But then we get, you know, this depth chart is wide open, right? 1329 01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:20,480 And what was the other thing about Amanrah? 1330 01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:23,200 He perfectly fit his quarterback. 1331 01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:26,960 Jared Goff's underneath. Dude, that's perfect. 1332 01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:29,160 You know what else is perfect? Having already played with the 1333 01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:32,320 quarterback in college, he's twos to have a connection. 1334 01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:36,440 So to me, I mean, Franklin, I was obviously disappointed with 1335 01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:39,440 the draft capital. And I'm like, I don't know, I'm 1336 01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:40,840 not feeling great about clicking him. 1337 01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:46,240 If if anyone other than the pretty obvious, if anyone other 1338 01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:49,160 than Knicks was his quarterback, like if this was him going to go 1339 01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:52,160 play with Nick Mullins or something or even like Goff or 1340 01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:53,640 what. Just like a good quarterback but 1341 01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:57,360 not his literal college quarterback, I I would be 1342 01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:00,080 lessened into it. I'm pretty into Mims too. 1343 01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:01,920 I'm pretty. Into Mims too, yeah. 1344 01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:04,600 I'm out on Sutton. I know. 1345 01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:09,640 Like, yeah, like I get all the reasons I prefer Tyler Lockett. 1346 01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:13,360 Like I, I don't know, I just I'm not, I'm not a Sutton bro, like 1347 01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:15,320 at at all. I, I like Franklin. 1348 01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:16,960 I like betting on Franklin and Mims. 1349 01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:20,680 One of those two really emerging down the stretch versus hoping 1350 01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:23,200 that Cortland Sutton can sun run touchdowns again. 1351 01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:25,160 That's that's just how I'm playing it. 1352 01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:29,399 Also keep in mind this team is going to throw what's the 1353 01:08:29,399 --> 01:08:33,040 funniest number, I could say 203 passes to running backs this 1354 01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:34,880 year or something. Like it's going to be the, the, 1355 01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:37,319 the degree to which these running backs on this roster are 1356 01:08:37,319 --> 01:08:39,720 going to get targeted is going to make your head spin. 1357 01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:42,040 It's going to be it's going to be all over the place. 1358 01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:47,920 And I think you just, I think you just kind of mix Franklin 1359 01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:49,399 and Mims. I don't think it makes sense to 1360 01:08:49,399 --> 01:08:51,279 take 20 in one and zero with the other. 1361 01:08:51,399 --> 01:08:52,840 I think you just take a lot of them. 1362 01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:57,640 And Knicks now is kind of my favorite backdoor fit like last 1363 01:08:57,640 --> 01:08:59,600 round of quarterback. I I might even like him more 1364 01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:04,720 than May now. I'm at 13% Mims and 10% 1365 01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:06,279 Franklin. So I've got more Mims than 1366 01:09:06,279 --> 01:09:08,359 Franklin, but I'm as I was like, I think you should. 1367 01:09:08,359 --> 01:09:10,439 Change that. I think I should change that. 1368 01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:12,600 I think it should be Franklin higher, yeah. 1369 01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:15,960 I, I think I don't know. I so I think I'm, I agree with 1370 01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:17,760 you guys on the pro Franklin stuff. 1371 01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:20,359 I, it sounds like I'm less in on Mims than you. 1372 01:09:20,399 --> 01:09:24,640 It's just I don't know, man. He, he ran like 250 routes last 1373 01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:29,920 year and got 32 targets, like 13% targets for route run again, 1374 01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:31,279 like he, he had some splash plays. 1375 01:09:31,279 --> 01:09:33,720 He he could be like, certainly like at his. 1376 01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:36,640 Price, I think. I think I have information that 1377 01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:40,080 can change your mind, truly. Let's hear it. 1378 01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:43,000 Sean Payton does this shit with young players. 1379 01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:46,680 Do you remember when he when he said about Mark Ingram, the only 1380 01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:51,080 thing holding him back is me? And it was real that he actually 1381 01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:53,240 meant it and then he stopped holding him back and he was 1382 01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:55,400 awesome. I mean if Sean Payton just does 1383 01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:58,920 this with guys he will just like randomly bench guys, rotate them 1384 01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:01,760 in for no reason and then just bring them back. 1385 01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:06,680 Like I I don't really see any reason why he can't run 70% of 1386 01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:08,800 their outs. I mean maybe he's KJ handler, 1387 01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:11,200 maybe he's sky more like all that's possible. 1388 01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:14,960 I I would argue that Mims in like 4 games showed more than 1389 01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:17,840 either of those guys ever in the NFL. 1390 01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:23,120 Yeah, but I don't know. Yeah, I, I, I don't like it's, 1391 01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:26,280 I'm not totally writing him off, but like, it's two guys that are 1392 01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:32,640 effectively the same price in drafts and one of them like he 1393 01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:35,440 had a bad rookie year and it's kind of hard to squint and like 1394 01:10:35,440 --> 01:10:38,200 tell another story. Like it's, it's not like, like 1395 01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:40,120 the guys keep him off the field. Again, you could argue it's 1396 01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:42,880 weird Peyton stuff, but like he wasn't getting on the field over 1397 01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:45,680 like Brandon Johnson and Lil Jordan Humphrey. 1398 01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:50,040 I'm just like pretty concerned about that and don't want to 1399 01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:53,560 make too many excuses for a guy that had 13% targets for outrun. 1400 01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:56,360 Just give me give me the mystery box in this scenario. 1401 01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:59,880 Like I think I I'd want to. I haven't done enough drafts to 1402 01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:02,320 like reflect this in my exposures, but I think I would 1403 01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:07,080 want 15% Franklin and 3% MIM something. 1404 01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:09,360 Oh wow. Yeah, Mimbs is so cheap that I 1405 01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:14,000 think it makes sense to go back in second round pick did Flash, 1406 01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:15,640 you know, over the course of the whole season. 1407 01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:18,280 It wasn't great, but there was those you know, early in the 1408 01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:21,000 season. He led the he led the team in 1409 01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:25,280 receiving yards despite playing like 6 snaps a game for like 6 1410 01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:27,240 weeks. Yeah, but then he'd like, didn't 1411 01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:29,240 have a catch like the rest of the season, basically. 1412 01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:32,360 Well, you remember that stretch where it seemed like he was 1413 01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:35,840 actively shaving points? He had like 3 fumbles on three 1414 01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:37,480 touches. It was like one was on a punt 1415 01:11:37,480 --> 01:11:39,600 return, one was on a screen. Like. 1416 01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:43,600 Like you just you just like it's the kind of thing that makes you 1417 01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:46,720 so infuriated in season and then you completely forget about it 1418 01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:49,360 when you're drafting best ball team six weeks later or six 1419 01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:52,800 months later. I I think Mims is the type of 1420 01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:57,520 profile you don't write off after a very uneven rookie year. 1421 01:11:57,600 --> 01:11:59,400 That's my opinion. That's how I feel too. 1422 01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:03,040 And you know, Peyton has said a lot of stuff about Mims and it's 1423 01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:06,280 really difficult to know if he's just like completely full shit 1424 01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:08,680 on it or what. But one of the things he said 1425 01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:12,480 was we basically couldn't play him in the role we wanted to 1426 01:12:12,480 --> 01:12:14,720 play him in because we had Jerry Judy and then they traded Jerry 1427 01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:17,240 Judy. That's all that's low key a 1428 01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:19,720 pretty big actually that's a good not even low key. 1429 01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:22,160 It's kind of a high key vote of confidence in Mims. 1430 01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:24,800 Being able to eat snaps is trading away Judy. 1431 01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:26,600 I mean, that's what Peyton was like. 1432 01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:30,560 He was literally the he's the Jerry Judy and we had a Jerry 1433 01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:32,680 Judy. So they put him in some other 1434 01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:35,480 role and that role might have been to like clear out safeties 1435 01:12:35,480 --> 01:12:38,000 or whatever. You know, like it's possible 1436 01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:41,920 that he's just in a truly different role this season and 1437 01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:45,200 is good and he flashed enough and he had enough draft capital 1438 01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:47,240 and he's a pretty good prospect, right. 1439 01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:50,600 You prospect profile Mims was the better prospect and 1440 01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:53,280 Franklin, given the draft capital, you know, both had good 1441 01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:55,800 statistical profiles. Second round versus fourth round 1442 01:12:55,800 --> 01:13:00,520 makes a big difference. So I, I, I think you want to be 1443 01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:01,840 overweight on both. In my opinion. 1444 01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:05,080 I think you want to maybe at least even with on Mims. 1445 01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:07,000 I I don't think fading Mims at this price. 1446 01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:09,680 I don't know. Yeah, I guess. 1447 01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:11,960 I bet too. Like, yeah. 1448 01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:14,320 I, I hear where you guys are coming from. 1449 01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:17,720 I don't know a couple other things like there's not a full 1450 01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:22,000 sample on it, but Matt Harmon charted some of Mim's rookie 1451 01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:23,760 year data and I believe this is the beginning of the season 1452 01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:25,360 data. Again, I think he only charted 1453 01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:30,080 like 90 routes, but he had a 42% success rate versus man. 1454 01:13:30,440 --> 01:13:34,920 If you go through Harmon's data, that's like like 60% is not that 1455 01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:39,320 good of a figure like 40% is like Quinton Johnston territory. 1456 01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:43,080 So again, just another data point that I think some of the 1457 01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:45,680 stuff that he did in college was a little bit gimmicky. 1458 01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:49,480 I mean, he'd be like the 90th Oklahoma wide receiver in a row 1459 01:13:49,480 --> 01:13:53,400 to look incredible in Oklahoma and then not be good in the NFL. 1460 01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:57,120 I just the people who watch this film from his rookie year, I'll 1461 01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:59,680 just say are are like, no one I've listened to has been like, 1462 01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:02,040 Oh yeah, Marvin Mims. Flash I do, I do love it's been. 1463 01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:06,720 All like bad film reviews. So I don't know, 13% targets for 1464 01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:09,560 Outrun and bad film. I'm just like, I don't know man. 1465 01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:14,080 I I do love this thing we do on this show where we all just give 1466 01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:17,800 no authority to our ability to watch football and interpret 1467 01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:19,640 what's happening. So we say the people who watch 1468 01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:21,360 film, it's never. It's never. 1469 01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:23,840 Oh, when I was watching them, it's always, it's always. 1470 01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:26,880 Yeah, when I was reading this article about success rate, this 1471 01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:30,120 guy who watched the film said XY and ZI mean the bit. 1472 01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:32,200 I've been watching, you know, some of the. 1473 01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:34,760 I watch highlights. I watch I I love watching 1474 01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:37,840 highlights and I've been watching there's some cut UPS 1475 01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:40,160 that I've been watching. I should give the the channel a 1476 01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:47,320 shot curtain call replays does like full season cut UPS of all 1477 01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:49,760 the touches. So it's not just the highlights. 1478 01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:52,760 Actually, it's all the all the touches and for a player in a 1479 01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:54,720 given season. So I've been going on watching 1480 01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:57,520 some of the the running backs 'cause there's such that big 1481 01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:59,160 pocket. I'm just like, let me just like 1482 01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:05,600 re familiarize myself with all these games, you know, and Devon 1483 01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:09,080 a Chan who I just watched breath of fresh air after watching all 1484 01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:12,760 of these guys on the ground. I was like, OK, yeah, like this 1485 01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:16,840 dude is he is the guy. So, you know, well, I don't, I'm 1486 01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:20,960 not like breaking down like which hole a guy hit, but but I 1487 01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:23,640 do just some. Extent I think there is there is 1488 01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:26,320 granular information to be gained from watching that type 1489 01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:29,400 stuff because you because it helps you envision what a coach 1490 01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:32,720 would be thinking about how much can I give this guy the ball and 1491 01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:35,280 in what situations can I give this guy the ball that helps 1492 01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:37,800 with projections. Oh, for sure, yeah. 1493 01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:42,960 It's just to do 2 tape analysis is is it's a time consuming 1494 01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:44,280 thing and. Very time. 1495 01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:47,360 It's easier to type in the old PFF search bar. 1496 01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:51,080 Yeah, and I, I do think that's like the next, there's actually 1497 01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:53,960 a very interesting Savage Run podcast on like the next 1498 01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:57,600 frontier of analytics and this like player tracking stuff, 1499 01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:00,600 which we're getting more and more of that that's kind of like 1500 01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:03,080 marrying film and analytics to some degree. 1501 01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:06,480 That's that's going to be the next wave of stuff in the NFLI. 1502 01:16:06,480 --> 01:16:09,360 Don't know if US fantasy football people will ever get 1503 01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:11,240 access to. I think we will eventually, 1504 01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:13,000 yeah. I think there's enough people 1505 01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:16,560 doing it that someone's going to be like, yeah, the teams won't 1506 01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:17,600 buy it. I'm just selling it to the 1507 01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:19,920 public. Yeah, I'm just waiting for that 1508 01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:23,080 in like 3 years. Yeah, that that is the next 1509 01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:26,240 frontier there. But yeah, I don't have anything 1510 01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:29,880 to say on these late guys. Just just know that we'll get 1511 01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:32,800 the blurbs on Josh Reynolds and Tim Patrick playing with the 1512 01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:34,200 ones those are those are. Comments. 1513 01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:36,120 I'm sure it's already there. I'm sure, I'm sure. 1514 01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:38,480 Tim Patrick looks fully recovered from his 19th 1515 01:16:38,480 --> 01:16:41,960 consecutive catastrophic summer ending injury. 1516 01:16:43,480 --> 01:16:48,280 Man, Colts here this is again. This is maybe a little outside 1517 01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:51,040 the realm of the puka Nakua stuff, so we can keep this 1518 01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:53,920 pretty quick. There, there, there's no puka. 1519 01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:57,440 There's no puka. Yeah, but I I like downs 1520 01:16:57,440 --> 01:16:59,600 especially just bet on talent late. 1521 01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:03,800 ADP Pittman's probably a a very good wide receiver, but maybe 1522 01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:08,520 not a truly great one. Crane, are you in a a Matrix 1523 01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:10,600 chase right now? Like are you, are you going down 1524 01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:12,920 the highway with Neo? What is going on? 1525 01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:16,000 There sounds though, yeah, there's some, there's some 1526 01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:21,040 landscaping being done Outback. Yeah, 80 Mitchell. 1527 01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:23,120 Good pick Downs, good pick Pittman. 1528 01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:26,640 If there's a puka, it's Mitchell, right? 1529 01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:31,520 He's he's the dude. I mean high upside guy, some 1530 01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:34,240 holes in the profile. Transfer. 1531 01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:38,840 Transfer doing well in mini camp, right? 1532 01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:41,560 Kind of the reverse puka where his flashes weren't yards per 1533 01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:44,120 hour and his yards per hour was horrible, but there were flashes 1534 01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:48,160 come on there. Were more there were more than 1535 01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:50,880 flashes for 80 Mitchell. He was a legit difference maker 1536 01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:52,520 for multiple College Football Playoff. 1537 01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:55,400 Teams, well, I'm just saying the efficiency was was really bad, 1538 01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:58,720 unlike Buca. Yeah, yeah, 8080. 1539 01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:00,720 Mitchell's a good player. I don't know if there are going 1540 01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:03,360 to be enough passing attempts for the Colts for all these guys 1541 01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:05,600 to be good picks, but 80 Mitchell's a good pick, good 1542 01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:09,880 player. Let's move here to the Steelers. 1543 01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:12,960 I think this one's interesting just because George Perkins is 1544 01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:15,480 obviously good. Then after that, like the team 1545 01:18:15,480 --> 01:18:18,800 seems to have forgotten that their second round pick, Roman 1546 01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:21,640 Wilson, exists. So the Beats are talking about 1547 01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:25,360 Calvin Austin, Quez Watkins, Van Jefferson, Scottie Miller. 1548 01:18:26,480 --> 01:18:29,360 I've been playing this one again, not not in the spirit of 1549 01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:31,640 today's conversation, but I've been playing this one mostly 1550 01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:35,360 through Fryer Muth in the passing game in Pittsburgh, a 1551 01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:39,200 tight end that had a very exciting rookie year, a prospect 1552 01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:41,680 we liked. I think he he showed enough to 1553 01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:44,400 me early in his career that I'm willing to bet on sort of the 1554 01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:47,320 later career breakout for him and the depth chart. 1555 01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:50,320 I don't know, like it's there's just there's no one here. 1556 01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:55,120 So barring a trade, I think Fryer Muth is someone that could 1557 01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:56,440 just eat a ton of targets this year. 1558 01:18:56,440 --> 01:18:58,560 But curious what you guys think you are you looking at any of 1559 01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:01,800 these wide receivers or do you agree on playing it through the 1560 01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:04,320 tight end? I do take Pickens now. 1561 01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:09,120 Yeah, I, I take Pickens now too. I don't have a ton of them. 1562 01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:12,080 Every time he's definitely on the Ridley trajectory where 1563 01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:13,680 every time I'm like, OK, you know what? 1564 01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:15,200 You guys are right? I should take more Pickens and 1565 01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:16,120 they're. Like it's more expensive? 1566 01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:19,200 It's picks more expensive now, not a little more like a full 1567 01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:22,800 half a round. So I can't I I'm I'm still 1568 01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:24,800 chasing on Pickens. Maybe I'll get there eventually. 1569 01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:30,040 But you know where where he was priced 3 weeks ago I actually 1570 01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:31,920 think was was sharp even though I didn't take him then. 1571 01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:36,280 So the Pickens thing to me can be explained like this, which is 1572 01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:39,200 just like, I've literally seen him do it. 1573 01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:41,520 I just have literally already seen him do it. 1574 01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:43,960 Just like to to be the absolute guy you need. 1575 01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:46,720 I loved him as a prospect. Like I've got him on a bunch of 1576 01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:50,000 my God because I I've got him on a bunch of these dynasty teams 1577 01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:53,840 because like number and overall recruit weird college career 1578 01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:57,080 tore his knee, like came back too early probably. 1579 01:19:57,560 --> 01:19:59,560 He also apparently interviewed horribly. 1580 01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:03,040 Like Pickens and Mitchell both had these like awful personnel 1581 01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:05,760 interviews where teams are just like like the things people were 1582 01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:06,800 that I was kind of hearing about. 1583 01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:10,080 AD Mitchell was like AD Mitchell was like the worst interview. 1584 01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:14,000 Like he was just like coming in, like thinking he already had 1585 01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:16,440 accomplished all there was to accomplish and kind of similar 1586 01:20:16,440 --> 01:20:19,760 stuff. For for Pickens, but Pickens has 1587 01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:23,400 that dog in him. And if you are of the persuasion 1588 01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:27,520 that their worst 18 round picks, then Justin fields you, you set 1589 01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:30,880 yourself up a very nice emergency back door there. 1590 01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:36,920 Roman Wilson. I wish I found one blurb on him 1591 01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:42,240 from a radio guy and the radio guy said he stinks that he that 1592 01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:44,920 that he's like not doing good at these practices at all. 1593 01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:49,560 That doesn't seem good. No, there there was a whole 1594 01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:53,160 article in the athletic about him and it was like how hard the 1595 01:20:53,440 --> 01:20:56,080 wide receiver coach has been on him and that that's OK because 1596 01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:59,880 you know, he's he's willing to be coached, but it's like, and 1597 01:20:59,880 --> 01:21:01,920 why is he being so hard on him? Can. 1598 01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:03,880 We get more into that. Why does he need that much 1599 01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:05,800 coaching? Yeah, it sounds like he needs a 1600 01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:08,600 lot of coaching. That doesn't seem so good. 1601 01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:11,880 Reception perception, I don't think was particularly high on 1602 01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:13,760 him. I remember thinking he and 1603 01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:17,360 Pearsall were kind of similar as as types as sort of like bets 1604 01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:19,080 'cause they're both sort of slot guys and everything. 1605 01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:23,280 But there was some exception on one of those guys was actually 1606 01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:26,560 pretty different, where Pearsall was like this legit route runner 1607 01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:28,760 and Wilson was more of like a speed slot guy. 1608 01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:33,040 And then I don't know, like that doesn't seem maybe to be 1609 01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:36,040 translating to the NFL super well so far. 1610 01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:38,800 So yeah, I've gotten pretty nervous about Wilson. 1611 01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:40,560 Calvin Austin's gotten some buzz. 1612 01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:44,760 It's a bit tough to get excited about Calvin Austin, though. 1613 01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:47,880 And even some of the stuff I was reading about him was like, he 1614 01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:50,640 probably will be the wide receiver, too, but it's not 1615 01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:52,400 going to be like, in a traditional sense. 1616 01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:57,720 So like he might, yeah. Any anytime I start here. 1617 01:21:57,720 --> 01:22:00,480 That sounds so bad, Arthur. Smith offense and not Arthur. 1618 01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:03,320 Smith offense. It's like, better learn Scottie 1619 01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:04,760 Miller, buddy. Yeah. 1620 01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:09,480 So I think Fryermuth is is the way to play and not one that I I 1621 01:22:09,480 --> 01:22:10,760 hadn't been taking a lot of Fryermuth. 1622 01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:15,600 You know, he wasn't very good last year and he you know, he 1623 01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:19,040 did flash before that and now I'm not that excited about the 1624 01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:22,360 offense from like a passing volume perspective, obviously. 1625 01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:25,600 So that's like, man. And then like, what if Darnold 1626 01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:28,320 Washington gets some run? But the Darnold Washington 1627 01:22:28,440 --> 01:22:33,240 height doesn't seem that that worrying as far as you know, is 1628 01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:35,600 firearmouth going to going to run enough routes? 1629 01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:38,400 It seems like he will. So I'm starting to warm up to 1630 01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:40,520 Fryarmuth as a pretty solid pick. 1631 01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:44,840 Yeah, didn't again, Yeah, didn't have a great season last year, 1632 01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:48,240 but he still has a season on record of 22% targets for 1633 01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:51,320 outrun. 1.7 yards for outrun in a sophomore year. 1634 01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:56,200 So tight end stuff is just weird and non linear and not easy to 1635 01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:58,640 predict. I'm just willing to like, make a 1636 01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:01,120 talent that I'm fryer with, even though it it certainly hasn't 1637 01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:03,720 been like a perfect run out to his early career. 1638 01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:06,520 Could easily be the number 2 target on this team. 1639 01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:07,240 Easily. Yeah. 1640 01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:08,960 I mean, I mean, we should assume that he. 1641 01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:11,760 Is probably right. Yeah, like, yeah. 1642 01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:15,520 And again, I, I think we can have the structural debate 1643 01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:19,160 later, but I, I do think elite tight end is a good strategy 1644 01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:21,400 this year. But if you miss out like the 1645 01:23:21,400 --> 01:23:25,280 Bowers at pick 100 and then Fryer moves at pick 134, feels 1646 01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:28,840 like a really fun way to counter that and still get that extra 1647 01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:32,280 elite quarterback in the 40s. Maybe you get a Pacheco in the 1648 01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:35,520 40s instead of elite tight end. I think that type of build is, 1649 01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:40,680 is really exciting. Let's talk here about the 1650 01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:44,640 commanders somewhat interesting one here with Luke McCaffrey. 1651 01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:49,520 I think he's the he is only puka candidate that stands out here, 1652 01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:52,480 but a very. He's the year 3 hunter Renfro, 1653 01:23:52,480 --> 01:23:54,840 but in year one. Yeah, but as a rookie? 1654 01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:57,920 Yeah, but I mean, that's kind of discount puka, really. 1655 01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:01,560 I think he's a bad stylistic fit for Daniels, probably who I 1656 01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:04,640 thought was best at at deep passing. 1657 01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:09,480 I like, I mean, I, I take all these guys. 1658 01:24:09,480 --> 01:24:12,640 I take Mclaurin, I take Dodson, I take McCaffrey, I take Senate. 1659 01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:18,640 Just because I take Commander, I take I want Daniels. 1660 01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:24,960 I want Daniels to let's see, I, I actually have been making 1661 01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:27,400 points to take a bit more Daniels in the puppy too. 1662 01:24:27,440 --> 01:24:30,200 The slows that I have gone 'cause I'm only at 7% overall, 1663 01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:34,480 but I I'm not playing it through Dodson. 1664 01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:37,080 That's the dude. I mean, this dude was first of 1665 01:24:37,080 --> 01:24:40,040 all, he was bad as a rookie. We all pretended he wasn't 1666 01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:42,520 because he scored touchdowns, but he was bad and that he 1667 01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:44,360 wasn't a good prospect other than the draft capital. 1668 01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:45,720 And then he was bad in his second year. 1669 01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:48,760 So like, I'm just, I'm just not doing it. 1670 01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:50,200 I'm not doing it. You got to give me a bigger 1671 01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:52,960 discount than this. I've taken him a few times, 1672 01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:55,240 correlated with Daniels on these puppies, but I have currently 1673 01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:58,080 0%. I have $14.00 of John Dotson in 1674 01:24:58,120 --> 01:25:00,640 completed drafts. I just I can't get there. 1675 01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:04,200 Luke McCaffrey, I like he's he's the Brian Robinson is the guy of 1676 01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:07,560 the most of all the commanders if the receiver's Luke McCaffrey 1677 01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:10,440 I have 15% of. God, Brian Robinson is such the 1678 01:25:10,440 --> 01:25:12,760 platonic ideal of a Sam Sherman player. 1679 01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:14,280 There could. There just couldn't be anyone 1680 01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:16,520 more on brand. He's he's, he's like a smash 1681 01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:18,360 right now. I, I'm at 17 percent on Brian 1682 01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:20,240 Robinson. He's a good pick. 1683 01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:23,000 Like they didn't get what did they give Eckler in terms of 1684 01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:23,840 money? Not much. 1685 01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:25,960 And we all thought he was washed. 1686 01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:29,120 And then Brian Robinson's just like hanging out doing his 1687 01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:30,680 thing. He was good last year. 1688 01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:34,360 He then drops in price. They bring in a mobile 1689 01:25:34,360 --> 01:25:37,320 quarterback who's going to specifically help his two down 1690 01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:39,640 running style. He also showed some 1691 01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:41,000 explosiveness in the passing game. 1692 01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:43,360 He was consistent in the run game. 1693 01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:48,840 I I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't disagree, but it is just 1694 01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:53,160 the most Sam Sherman ass sick. Honestly, if, if, if Brian 1695 01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:56,000 Robinson's name wasn't Brian Robinson, he would go in the 1696 01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:57,320 sixth round. And you, you can't tell me 1697 01:25:57,320 --> 01:25:58,680 otherwise. If his name was. 1698 01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:03,480 If his name was Tank Bigsby, five sixth turn. 5-6 Brian 1699 01:26:03,480 --> 01:26:06,240 Robinson just sounds like your buddy from college who works at 1700 01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:08,480 Deloitte now and you haven't really seen him in a couple 1701 01:26:08,480 --> 01:26:11,960 years. Just too busy, too busy working 1702 01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:13,720 doesn't doesn't get to hang out with the boys. 1703 01:26:14,440 --> 01:26:15,680 It's just the most boring name ever. 1704 01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:19,240 You text him to see if he can golf on Saturday and he texts 1705 01:26:19,240 --> 01:26:21,320 back and says he has to ask his wife 1st and you're. 1706 01:26:21,320 --> 01:26:24,600 Like, yeah, that's. This guy's name was Bruce Gibbs, 1707 01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:31,360 third round. 3rd Oh man. But yeah, I, I, I like Luko 1708 01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:34,680 Caffrey quite a bit. Again, I'm just, I'm a sucker 1709 01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:37,280 for these converted players. We've been over this. 1710 01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:40,320 But like, I I want to throw this out there. 1711 01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:43,480 Galaxy brain Jane Daniels gets injured. 1712 01:26:44,360 --> 01:26:48,040 How many games of Marcus Mariota is Cliff Kingsbury going to 1713 01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:49,200 watch before he's like? Luke. 1714 01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:51,240 Luke. McCaffrey was a quarterback. 1715 01:26:51,640 --> 01:26:55,360 He was not even a league, like he was not even an average 1716 01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:57,680 quarterback in Nebraska. Hang on, hang on. 1717 01:26:57,680 --> 01:27:00,560 Like he was bad. I have sometimes given Sam a 1718 01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:04,520 little shit for not making really high upside cases. 1719 01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:08,200 OK, Luke McCaffrey playing quarterback with the Commanders. 1720 01:27:08,280 --> 01:27:12,360 He's saying out brain and as exciting of an upside case as I 1721 01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:15,440 have ever heard. He's going to. 1722 01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:17,960 Be the emergency quarterback on game day, right? 1723 01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:21,000 If 22 guys get injured mid game he's he's got a full half a 1724 01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:24,600 grand quarterback. Oh, my God, I, I, I need more. 1725 01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:26,480 I'm at 15%. I should be at 20. 1726 01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:29,400 This, the, this the slight possibility of Luke McCaffrey 1727 01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:31,280 quarterbacking the Commanders. Yeah. 1728 01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:39,840 So so Luke McCaffrey in college, his his last season, the season 1729 01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:44,480 that they convinced him to get benched, he he had one 1730 01:27:44,480 --> 01:27:49,120 touchdown, 6 interceptions, 2.8 adjusted yards per attempt. 1731 01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:51,880 And then he decided maybe he would switch positions. 1732 01:27:51,880 --> 01:27:54,280 OK. Well, that's that's. 1733 01:27:54,440 --> 01:27:59,920 Probably better than Marcus Mario last year. 6 interceptions 1734 01:27:59,920 --> 01:28:04,640 on 76 attempts. That's so bad, Oh my God. 1735 01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:09,240 He needed another touchdown just to get to even. 1736 01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:12,120 Here's Here's the deal. If you're drafting on FFPCI, 1737 01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:14,720 would be careful about drafting McCaffrey as a wide receiver 1738 01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:16,640 because he might end up with the third quarterback. 1739 01:28:17,200 --> 01:28:21,000 If he lost my quarterback, it's yeah. 1740 01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:23,400 He's a full, he's a full fan on FPC. 1741 01:28:23,480 --> 01:28:24,640 You can't. You can't touch him. 1742 01:28:31,160 --> 01:28:33,320 Nathan Peterman numbers. Yeah. 1743 01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:35,600 Still still better than Tim Boyle's college stats. 1744 01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:36,920 That's not even a joke. That's. 1745 01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:38,600 That is, that is not even a joke. 1746 01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:39,160 That's true. That's. 1747 01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:39,960 Factual. All right. 1748 01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:42,840 Oh God, I'm. Still, I'm still excited about 1749 01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:46,240 the, you know, come on anyway, we can get a couple extra times. 1750 01:28:46,240 --> 01:28:49,120 Maybe just a a Taysom pill package for Luke McCaffrey. 1751 01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:51,360 Maybe that's more realistic. You know, they talked about him 1752 01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:53,240 in the backfield, haven't they? Hasn't that come up? 1753 01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:56,280 Yeah, they're going to use them on a trick play, like the same 1754 01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:58,600 way the Patriots use Edelman on trick plays to throw the ball. 1755 01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:00,480 There's definitely a Luke McCaffrey trick play. 1756 01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:03,720 Ad yeah, Oh my God, dude, think about it. 1757 01:29:03,960 --> 01:29:05,400 They're going to they're going to toss in the ball. 1758 01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:08,400 He's going to roll out Jahan Dotson wide open in the corner, 1759 01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:10,440 sails over his head, bounces off his hands. 1760 01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:13,120 I. I think, I think he meant, I 1761 01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:16,520 think he meant Zachary's. No, he'll yeah. 1762 01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:20,720 Just just passed blocking lineup and full back on that play by 1763 01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:22,040 the. Way the the only thing I've read 1764 01:29:22,040 --> 01:29:26,120 about Sennett is that he is playing as an H back thus far. 1765 01:29:26,360 --> 01:29:30,080 I I have heard that. Yeah, that that seems bad. 1766 01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:32,120 All right, so Dallas. I'm still dressing. 1767 01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:33,960 Dallas is a good one. This is a good one here. 1768 01:29:33,960 --> 01:29:37,280 It's it's a good one, but what I'm worried about is that the 1769 01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:39,840 offense might just like take a real step back. 1770 01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:46,240 They probably won't, but like Ryan Flournoy, bro, he's 26. 1771 01:29:47,480 --> 01:29:49,440 He was at Southeastern Missouri State. 1772 01:29:50,080 --> 01:29:52,640 Is that a Davis exaggeration or is he actually 26? 1773 01:29:53,400 --> 01:29:55,880 I I think he literally is 20. He might be 24. 1774 01:29:57,800 --> 01:29:58,840 Yeah, he's 24. He's. 1775 01:29:58,840 --> 01:30:02,400 Turning 25 this season, that's not that big of a lie. 1776 01:30:02,680 --> 01:30:05,680 Yeah, that's crazy. For for me a small lie. 1777 01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:09,000 Small lie. Yeah, man, I don't know what 1778 01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:10,680 Crane. Do you even know what the deal 1779 01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:12,640 is with Four? And I can't say I know anything 1780 01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:14,760 about him. I don't know that much about 1781 01:30:14,760 --> 01:30:16,480 him. And honestly, I think Brooks is 1782 01:30:16,480 --> 01:30:20,200 the guy. What we so one of the things of 1783 01:30:20,200 --> 01:30:23,480 puka, if we're looking for pukas, is that it was a very 1784 01:30:23,480 --> 01:30:25,480 uncomfortable click, at least for me. 1785 01:30:25,480 --> 01:30:27,320 Way too uncomfortable because I ain't clicking nearly enough. 1786 01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:30,080 But like, we're like, really this guy? 1787 01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:34,000 I don't know that to me. Like, I get that feeling pretty 1788 01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:37,720 strongly with Brooks, but he's making noise. 1789 01:30:37,880 --> 01:30:40,320 There's been some stuff of like, he's one of Dax's favorite 1790 01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:41,920 targets. Jalen. 1791 01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:44,360 Tolbert is the guy ahead of him. Jalen Tolbert stinks. 1792 01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:48,440 I have bad news, Corrine, you and you might just have this 1793 01:30:48,440 --> 01:30:51,280 amnesia problem with the Cowboys. 1794 01:30:51,800 --> 01:30:54,080 Jalen Brooks is not a rookie. Jalen Brooks was on the team 1795 01:30:54,280 --> 01:30:55,960 last year. The second year player? 1796 01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:58,000 No, I know. That now he he fulfills the 1797 01:30:58,000 --> 01:30:59,840 criteria it's. The first year the Crane's heard 1798 01:30:59,840 --> 01:31:01,600 of him, though. It is the first year heard of 1799 01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:06,400 him, but I did check. With he he transferred from AD 1800 01:31:06,520 --> 01:31:10,480 two school to to actually multiple D2 schools. 1801 01:31:10,480 --> 01:31:14,480 Wingate to Tarlington State to South Carolina. 1802 01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:18,920 He was denied eligibility for a little bit at at South Carolina, 1803 01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:22,440 so maybe that could explain a little bit of a late start. 1804 01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:27,680 I find it weird that a team that was really struggling to find 1805 01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:30,760 secondary pass catchers with with Gallup and Tolbert being so 1806 01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:34,000 bad that he didn't get any run last year. 1807 01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:37,880 But I mean, spinning that in a bullish way, which again, it's 1808 01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:38,760 definitely a stretch. I. 1809 01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:42,800 Know it's hard for you to do. The fact. 1810 01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:45,840 God damn it. The fact. 1811 01:31:48,720 --> 01:31:50,440 Well, actually, I should take that back. 1812 01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:53,920 Very easy for you to spin up. A positive thing for Jalen 1813 01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:56,360 Brooks, an undrafted free agent who was on the practice squad. 1814 01:31:56,640 --> 01:32:01,400 Very hard for you to be into T Higgins well. 1815 01:32:01,440 --> 01:32:02,480 Buddy, I could have done a we're. 1816 01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:05,440 Gonna get another mystery player thing here in a second dude. 1817 01:32:06,120 --> 01:32:09,280 Honestly, Jalen Brooks yards per outrun higher than T Higgins 1818 01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:11,280 last year. Don't ask me how many routes you 1819 01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:13,080 ran, but that is that is a fact I. 1820 01:32:13,440 --> 01:32:16,840 Don't think Jalen Brooks played. Yeah, no, he, he ran 33 routes 1821 01:32:16,840 --> 01:32:18,840 last year. So this, this data is like 1822 01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:22,720 completely, this is completely worthless data. 1823 01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:25,920 But he, he had 1.9 yards per outrun on 33 routes. 1824 01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:30,960 Take it, take it for what you want, but I mean, I don't know, 1825 01:32:31,160 --> 01:32:34,840 I I back to my original point, like they literally went into 1826 01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:39,400 the offseason and added nobody like they must have some, even 1827 01:32:39,400 --> 01:32:42,880 if it's like confidence in him as like a wide receiver of four, 1828 01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:46,840 they must have some confidence in these guys on the roster or 1829 01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:49,080 they're completely incompetent and it and it could be. 1830 01:32:49,160 --> 01:32:53,080 I wonder, I wonder this organization. 1831 01:32:53,080 --> 01:32:55,920 I wonder there's this organization that has 1832 01:32:56,040 --> 01:32:59,960 continually not found a way to pay Dak Prescott market value. 1833 01:33:00,480 --> 01:33:03,200 TCDCD doesn't want to show up the camp because everyone else 1834 01:33:03,200 --> 01:33:04,960 got his deal. You know how much money they 1835 01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:07,320 cost themselves by not just getting this deal done? 1836 01:33:07,720 --> 01:33:10,760 Yeah, when it was like, I don't think they're completely 1837 01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:14,880 incompetent, but they're not competent. 1838 01:33:16,840 --> 01:33:19,760 Yeah, I don't know. He he has been the guy getting 1839 01:33:20,440 --> 01:33:23,000 some hype though relative to Flournoy, and that could 1840 01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:27,120 obviously just be the incumbent bias, but I've seen people draft 1841 01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:30,480 Flournoy in the 18th round. I haven't seen anybody draft 1842 01:33:30,480 --> 01:33:32,080 Brooks. If I had to pick one right now, 1843 01:33:32,080 --> 01:33:34,240 I would pick Brooks over Flournoy. 1844 01:33:34,240 --> 01:33:37,280 I think the real answer is to to wait a little bit longer before 1845 01:33:37,280 --> 01:33:39,200 you make a call there. Yeah. 1846 01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:42,760 Yeah, I mean, I think so. To me though, I was taking some 1847 01:33:42,800 --> 01:33:46,160 Tolbert. He looked like early on, you 1848 01:33:46,160 --> 01:33:50,000 know, he's gonna be the guy who's, you know, the, he was a 1849 01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:53,760 good eighteenth round pick, correlated on hurt stuff or DAC 1850 01:33:53,760 --> 01:33:55,880 stuff, that kind of thing. That's when I was taking him. 1851 01:33:56,960 --> 01:34:01,160 I think I'd rather just take Brooks now if I was gonna take 1852 01:34:01,480 --> 01:34:04,680 one of these guys because, and I'm not, I'm not taking books. 1853 01:34:04,720 --> 01:34:08,880 I've literally never taken him. But like, I, I think I want the 1854 01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:11,200 mystery box. And there's been a little bit of 1855 01:34:11,200 --> 01:34:14,560 buzz about Brooks looking good and DAC throwing to him. 1856 01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:17,840 If you, I can't find, I, I literally read someone saying 1857 01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:19,520 that he was one of DAC's bigger targets. 1858 01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:22,320 I was just searching some athletic stuff and I, I didn't 1859 01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:26,000 find it, but I found, I can't remember where I, where I read 1860 01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:28,560 that. But it, there is stuff like if 1861 01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:31,360 you just search like the mini camp reports, like Brooks's name 1862 01:34:31,360 --> 01:34:35,120 comes up a decent amount and it's like he caught a pass from 1863 01:34:35,120 --> 01:34:38,360 DAC or he, you know, the incompletion from DAC. 1864 01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:41,680 So like he's getting reps with the ones partly 'cause I guess 1865 01:34:41,840 --> 01:34:46,200 Lamb's not there, but you know, maybe he's using that 1866 01:34:46,200 --> 01:34:49,600 opportunity to impress them enough to repass Jalen Tolbert, 1867 01:34:49,680 --> 01:34:54,280 which isn't that high of a bar. So, you know, if we look at if 1868 01:34:54,280 --> 01:34:58,120 we look at Puka, right, it wasn't just Tutu Van Jefferson. 1869 01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:02,160 Van Jefferson was getting drafted in like the one 60s or 1870 01:35:02,160 --> 01:35:06,800 whatever or wherever he went. So having a a guy who's like we 1871 01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:11,520 think going to eat snaps but then disappears was part of the 1872 01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:15,600 the puka breakout. I mean that Tolbert could be 1873 01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:17,840 cover here for one of these guys. 1874 01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:22,280 I my bet would be Brooks over Fournoy, but this this bears 1875 01:35:22,280 --> 01:35:23,440 monitoring. I think this. 1876 01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:25,280 It really does. This situation really bears 1877 01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:27,520 monitoring. Because I thought you were gonna 1878 01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:30,280 say in this scenario that cooks could be the Van Jefferson. 1879 01:35:30,280 --> 01:35:33,120 I mean, we're talking about a 30, what, 31 year old wide 1880 01:35:33,120 --> 01:35:36,920 receiver that flashed serious age Cliff concerns last two 1881 01:35:36,920 --> 01:35:38,880 years. So that's why I find this one so 1882 01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:42,320 exciting is it's not just Tolbert that could be a zero, 1883 01:35:42,480 --> 01:35:45,880 which I think he probably is. But Brandon Cooks is getting up 1884 01:35:45,880 --> 01:35:47,360 there in age too. It's true. 1885 01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:50,920 Again, I don't think like he's the worst pick just because 1886 01:35:50,920 --> 01:35:53,640 based on projection, I can I can totally see how you justify 1887 01:35:53,960 --> 01:35:57,960 Cooks on on occasion I pick 120. But yeah, I think this one is 1888 01:35:57,960 --> 01:36:00,320 worth monitoring. Again on Tolbert, why I prefer 1889 01:36:00,320 --> 01:36:03,040 the the mystery box in Brooks to Tolbert. 1890 01:36:03,480 --> 01:36:08,840 Tolbert's run 350 routes in his NFL career. 0.8 yards per out 1891 01:36:08,840 --> 01:36:13,160 run, 11% targets per out run like 340 routes. 1892 01:36:13,160 --> 01:36:16,800 Is is not like nothing like that's a decent amount of data 1893 01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:19,840 on a guide. Not many guys run that many 1894 01:36:19,840 --> 01:36:22,560 routes and are that inefficient and and do much in their NFL 1895 01:36:22,560 --> 01:36:27,600 career. So yeah, the Tolbert 1 is only 1896 01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:31,240 in stacks for me. I can stomach it, but even then 1897 01:36:31,240 --> 01:36:34,120 I I don't really want to make that click too much. 1898 01:36:35,880 --> 01:36:38,600 No, it's too it's too early, like the information is just too 1899 01:36:38,600 --> 01:36:42,000 low. He's just not like, so OK, in 1900 01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:44,800 the the why do we like this particular situation? 1901 01:36:45,320 --> 01:36:49,720 It's actually not very similar to the Rams last year. 1902 01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:52,800 No. Because you don't have CD Lamb 1903 01:36:52,800 --> 01:36:55,480 dealing with now, maybe the holdout is sort of the hamstring 1904 01:36:55,480 --> 01:36:56,840 injury. So maybe it's more similar than 1905 01:36:56,840 --> 01:37:01,200 I'm thinking. But CD Lamb is still the dude. 1906 01:37:01,440 --> 01:37:04,040 Like he's in the true prime of his career. 1907 01:37:04,160 --> 01:37:06,840 He's totally healthy. He they're going to resolve 1908 01:37:06,840 --> 01:37:07,800 this. He's going to get back out 1909 01:37:07,800 --> 01:37:09,440 there. He's going to dominate targets 1910 01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:12,600 in a way that, you know, maybe we thought Cooper caught Mike 1911 01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:17,400 last year, but he did it. So I think that we're really 1912 01:37:17,400 --> 01:37:22,720 playing for a solid #2 role or number or wide receiver two 1913 01:37:22,720 --> 01:37:25,760 role, right? But the guy needs to be good 1914 01:37:25,760 --> 01:37:30,040 here to really make impact. You need to you need the guy to 1915 01:37:30,040 --> 01:37:32,680 be talented because it's not like it's so wide open. 1916 01:37:32,680 --> 01:37:35,800 You know, Ferguson's going to get decent target share. 1917 01:37:35,800 --> 01:37:39,400 Cooks will get something. So we need a dude who can come 1918 01:37:39,400 --> 01:37:44,640 in here and take targets. Tolbert is not that guy. 1919 01:37:44,640 --> 01:37:47,440 And that's this where I was like, I was taking some of them 1920 01:37:47,440 --> 01:37:49,960 correlated and maybe he scores a touchdown on the right week or 1921 01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:51,280 whatever and that could be enough. 1922 01:37:51,280 --> 01:37:55,560 But like you are punting the chance to find a league winner 1923 01:37:55,560 --> 01:37:58,240 when you take Jalen, Jalen Tolbert, he he just cannot, he's 1924 01:37:58,240 --> 01:38:00,960 just not good enough. Like he maybe, maybe he gets 1925 01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:03,240 better over the course of a couple years, but this year he 1926 01:38:03,240 --> 01:38:06,720 is he's not going to come in here and make make him make his 1927 01:38:06,720 --> 01:38:08,960 presence felt. I just I just don't believe 1928 01:38:08,960 --> 01:38:10,800 that. So that's where if I was going 1929 01:38:10,800 --> 01:38:12,680 to take one of these guys, I would I would just take the 1930 01:38:12,680 --> 01:38:15,600 mystery box, even though Jalen Brooks is very likely a 0. 1931 01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:21,840 Saints are somewhat comparable situation, I'd say you have a 1932 01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:27,520 Lave as the clear #1A tight end in Juan Johnson that should be 1933 01:38:27,520 --> 01:38:29,480 some part of offense if he's healthy. 1934 01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:34,320 Rashid Shahid I'd say kind of similar to Cooks in the sense 1935 01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:37,120 that he's a wide receiver too, but a somewhat shaky wide 1936 01:38:37,120 --> 01:38:40,760 receiver too, obviously for different reasons than Cooks. 1937 01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:44,520 I find this a little bit less exciting though. 1938 01:38:44,520 --> 01:38:48,600 I I think you have a similar choice between the AT Perry bet 1939 01:38:48,600 --> 01:38:52,040 on a second year wide receiver who showed a little bit but was 1940 01:38:52,040 --> 01:38:55,000 mostly pretty bad as a rookie, and then the complete mystery 1941 01:38:55,000 --> 01:38:58,560 box in BUB means I think A6. Bub means. 1942 01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:01,040 Bub means could be real, real puka energy. 1943 01:39:01,040 --> 01:39:06,760 Tennessee, Louisiana Tech Pitt 1500 total yards ever in 1944 01:39:06,760 --> 01:39:09,560 college, 10 touchdowns in five seasons. 1945 01:39:09,560 --> 01:39:14,280 I mean bub means. Cray, do you have any prospect 1946 01:39:14,280 --> 01:39:16,520 notes on Bob Means? Is he someone you you looked 1947 01:39:16,520 --> 01:39:22,200 into at all? Not really let me let me pull 1948 01:39:22,200 --> 01:39:25,760 him up. He was not really high on my 1949 01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:28,960 list. Yeah, I, I think, you know, 1950 01:39:28,960 --> 01:39:33,040 looking at J JS model, he was pretty low there. 1951 01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:37,320 But again, yeah. He he actually has size, which 1952 01:39:37,320 --> 01:39:41,560 is kind of interesting because AT Perry, I kind of actually 1953 01:39:41,560 --> 01:39:43,800 kind of liked him last year and then he played a ton and just 1954 01:39:43,800 --> 01:39:47,840 earned no targets. I mean, I think my answer 1955 01:39:47,840 --> 01:39:51,440 looking at this might be Cedric Wilson plays more than we want 1956 01:39:51,480 --> 01:39:55,040 him to and Shaheed and Allah, they just get a lot more targets 1957 01:39:55,040 --> 01:39:56,360 than they're being projected for. 1958 01:39:57,800 --> 01:40:00,000 I I like Shaheed, he's he's risen a lot. 1959 01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:03,440 In Christ I like Shaheed he. He used to be, I think a really 1960 01:40:03,440 --> 01:40:06,080 good pick and now he's just kind of fine if you need the 1961 01:40:06,080 --> 01:40:09,880 receiver. But I mean, I think, I think 1962 01:40:09,880 --> 01:40:12,440 it's condensed. I, I still think Juan Johnson 1963 01:40:12,440 --> 01:40:16,480 is, I, I was going to say draftable and I think he is 1964 01:40:16,480 --> 01:40:18,800 draftable, but it's, it's scary because with the foot injury, 1965 01:40:18,800 --> 01:40:21,000 like does he miss like the whole season ultimately? 1966 01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:23,920 Like does he get shut down? Like, you know, he goes in a 1967 01:40:23,920 --> 01:40:25,560 season, does he miss a couple weeks and then they just like 1968 01:40:25,560 --> 01:40:27,440 shut him down week four? And he literally literally never 1969 01:40:27,440 --> 01:40:28,680 plays. Like we see that kind of stuff 1970 01:40:28,680 --> 01:40:32,000 happen. But I think he's the answer of 1971 01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:34,800 if he's healthy, like he's the clear #3 in this, in this 1972 01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:38,520 offense now. So I, I hope he, I hope the foot 1973 01:40:38,520 --> 01:40:40,760 injuries, I hope he get good news on the timeline for the 1974 01:40:40,760 --> 01:40:43,640 foot injury, 'cause I would be pretty psyched to draft him 1975 01:40:43,640 --> 01:40:47,600 again in the 18th if, if his price doesn't rise, I'm not good 1976 01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:49,920 news. Yeah, I've been taking Juwan on 1977 01:40:49,920 --> 01:40:51,920 the 18th. Still, the reporting seemed to 1978 01:40:51,920 --> 01:40:54,560 suggest that like he has a chance to recover for the start 1979 01:40:54,560 --> 01:40:56,600 of the season. So I I'm pretty sure he's not 1980 01:40:56,600 --> 01:40:58,680 gonna miss the whole year. I guess we just don't really 1981 01:40:58,680 --> 01:41:01,640 know that but. Foot surgery in the summer just 1982 01:41:01,640 --> 01:41:03,880 scares me. I, I, I think you're right, but 1983 01:41:03,960 --> 01:41:06,840 I, I just like, want to hear like another good report. 1984 01:41:06,840 --> 01:41:08,520 And I was pretty overweight Juan, too. 1985 01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:11,200 So that's, I'm coming from someone who already had a bag of 1986 01:41:11,200 --> 01:41:12,680 them. And now I'm like, I'm gonna let 1987 01:41:12,680 --> 01:41:15,320 me cool off during the very riskiest part of this. 1988 01:41:15,880 --> 01:41:17,720 But I would like to draft him again 'cause I think he's 1989 01:41:17,720 --> 01:41:21,160 probably the, I mean, he's, I mean, he's gonna beat out AT 1990 01:41:21,200 --> 01:41:22,680 Perry for targets if he's on the field. 1991 01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:29,000 Yep, Giants here. We talked about this one last 1992 01:41:29,000 --> 01:41:31,960 week, so we can maybe keep it quick, but I think we're 1993 01:41:31,960 --> 01:41:36,520 basically all in agreement that Wandale, Slayton and Hyatt are 1994 01:41:36,520 --> 01:41:39,360 all solid late round picks. I think I'm not really in on 1995 01:41:39,360 --> 01:41:43,000 Wandale, but you guys are. And I think everyone was kind of 1996 01:41:43,000 --> 01:41:46,360 in on on Slayton and Hyatt, if I recall correctly. 1997 01:41:47,760 --> 01:41:50,560 Yeah, there's just, there's no tight end here, so. 1998 01:41:50,840 --> 01:41:53,720 Yeah, they're all good picks. Statistically like one of these 1999 01:41:53,720 --> 01:41:56,800 receivers has to be good. They have they have interesting 2000 01:41:56,800 --> 01:41:58,680 profiles for different reasons. I don't know if anyone wants to 2001 01:41:58,680 --> 01:42:00,600 add anything here. Otherwise, I think we can can 2002 01:42:00,600 --> 01:42:02,520 move on on this one. I'm not that in on Wandale. 2003 01:42:02,520 --> 01:42:05,600 I would say. I mean, Slayton is you've got 2004 01:42:05,600 --> 01:42:07,360 your Dorch, you got your Slayton. 2005 01:42:07,360 --> 01:42:10,480 Those are those are the two guys that you're getting to the end 2006 01:42:10,480 --> 01:42:15,880 of the draft and you know your wide receiver, your wide 2007 01:42:15,880 --> 01:42:19,680 receiver four's Rashi Rice. You know, your wide receiver 2008 01:42:19,880 --> 01:42:24,360 three's Roma Doonze or Xavier Worthy if you're Davis. 2009 01:42:24,840 --> 01:42:28,840 And you know, you're like, I need some I need some help to 2010 01:42:28,840 --> 01:42:30,800 get like production early in the season. 2011 01:42:32,320 --> 01:42:34,080 Slayton, I think is a pretty strong pick. 2012 01:42:35,040 --> 01:42:38,560 Like he he just is a starting wide receiver available for free 2013 01:42:38,560 --> 01:42:42,480 in the final rounds. Agreed, he got paid like one 2014 01:42:42,640 --> 01:42:45,400 like this offseason so I don't know. 2015 01:42:45,800 --> 01:42:48,960 Darius Slaton is just going to catch, you know, 50 passes for 2016 01:42:48,960 --> 01:42:52,640 800 yards and five TDs every season until he retires and he's 2017 01:42:52,640 --> 01:42:55,040 just going to go and pick two O 5 every single season. 2018 01:42:55,040 --> 01:42:57,400 It's just just how. The way it is, baby. 2019 01:42:57,560 --> 01:43:00,880 He had a spike week last year in the playoffs. 2020 01:43:01,160 --> 01:43:03,960 Yeah, you know who else had a spike week in the playoffs last 2021 01:43:03,960 --> 01:43:08,200 year? Wandale 19.7 underdog points in 2022 01:43:08,200 --> 01:43:10,120 Week 17. People forget. 2023 01:43:10,920 --> 01:43:16,080 People forget that's true. So for The Jets, I mean, it's 2024 01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:19,240 Corley is like an amazing pick. The issue is, is he's not a 2025 01:43:19,240 --> 01:43:20,720 puka. He was a third round pick. 2026 01:43:20,720 --> 01:43:22,120 I mean, he's not he's not a puka at all. 2027 01:43:22,480 --> 01:43:26,720 The thing that ADP has wrong is Mike Williams and Mike Williams 2028 01:43:26,720 --> 01:43:31,720 is just going too high. I, I take, I don't think I have 2029 01:43:31,720 --> 01:43:35,120 any Mike Williams. Yeah, I was taking him and then 2030 01:43:35,120 --> 01:43:38,440 I was like, what am I doing? I kind of woke up from the. 2031 01:43:38,440 --> 01:43:42,240 It just shouldn't have been taken. 2032 01:43:43,280 --> 01:43:45,600 I just. Yeah, I don't mind Mike 2033 01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:49,200 Williams. What what's the what's the path 2034 01:43:49,200 --> 01:43:50,680 to success? He he just catching. 2035 01:43:50,680 --> 01:43:53,480 He's James Jones. It's just, yeah, it's just that 2036 01:43:53,480 --> 01:43:57,320 Mike Williams has been like, so good the last three years and 2037 01:43:57,320 --> 01:43:59,920 like, I don't know. I I guess 20 CLI just was not 2038 01:43:59,920 --> 01:44:01,720 factoring in the 20 CL at his age enough? 2039 01:44:02,080 --> 01:44:04,520 Yeah, but like, he's not that. He's not that old. 2040 01:44:04,520 --> 01:44:06,160 I feel like people in their heads think Mike Williams is 2041 01:44:06,160 --> 01:44:08,840 like 33 years old. Like he's like what, 29? 2042 01:44:09,520 --> 01:44:12,400 Yeah, but that's a big so like, and this is like with with the 2043 01:44:12,400 --> 01:44:16,120 stuff last year with Brice, like diving into the ACL stuff, you 2044 01:44:16,120 --> 01:44:20,440 know, if you're 22 and you tear your ACL and if you're 25 and 2045 01:44:20,440 --> 01:44:22,520 you tear your ACL, like that might not seem like a big 2046 01:44:22,520 --> 01:44:25,280 difference, but like the literature on that, there's like 2047 01:44:25,280 --> 01:44:28,360 a big difference then you were for 29. 2048 01:44:28,360 --> 01:44:30,120 I imagine it's a big difference like. 2049 01:44:30,120 --> 01:44:34,080 He's also he's also been hurt like a billion, like he's had 2050 01:44:34,080 --> 01:44:37,120 multiple lower body injuries like the the it's it's like. 2051 01:44:39,160 --> 01:44:41,920 He also turns 30 in October, so he's even a little older than 2052 01:44:41,920 --> 01:44:44,880 we're saying. Yeah, it's just like 30 is not I 2053 01:44:44,880 --> 01:44:48,840 I get the I get the ACL stuff, but I don't know, I think the 2054 01:44:48,840 --> 01:44:51,120 discount is for like early season. 2055 01:44:51,920 --> 01:44:54,320 I I know it's weird to think about this for like a veteran 2056 01:44:54,320 --> 01:44:56,640 wide receiver, but I kind of interpret the discount for Mike 2057 01:44:56,640 --> 01:44:59,360 Williams as like bad early season production. 2058 01:44:59,560 --> 01:45:03,160 Like we don't think he's a full time player by the playoffs. 2059 01:45:03,160 --> 01:45:08,440 And this is a guy last three seasons NFL two point O 1.92.3 2060 01:45:08,440 --> 01:45:11,720 yards for outrun. I I just don't think he's like 2061 01:45:11,720 --> 01:45:14,160 that that bad of a pick. I guess I don't get like what 2062 01:45:14,160 --> 01:45:17,120 the the Heat is at pick one 2080P Like he's a better NFL 2063 01:45:17,120 --> 01:45:20,480 wide receiver than I don't know a lot of the guy. 2064 01:45:20,480 --> 01:45:22,480 Like if he's healthy, he's a better NFL wide receiver than 2065 01:45:22,480 --> 01:45:24,280 like a lot of the wide receiver's going near him. 2066 01:45:26,040 --> 01:45:29,960 He, he was, you know, it's just tough like coming off the torn 2067 01:45:29,960 --> 01:45:32,480 ACL. Like we see, we see guys fall 2068 01:45:32,480 --> 01:45:36,720 off, you know, like never like. Sterling, what's the What's the 2069 01:45:36,800 --> 01:45:39,280 difference between Mike Williams and DJ Shark? 2070 01:45:40,960 --> 01:45:43,560 Dude, come on. Now the chat said that and I am 2071 01:45:43,560 --> 01:45:46,280 thinking cromulent. Cromulent comparison. 2072 01:45:47,520 --> 01:45:49,880 Yeah, he's not my I'm not saying like I'm hammering Mike 2073 01:45:49,880 --> 01:45:53,240 Williams, but I don't know. I clearly disagree. 2074 01:45:53,280 --> 01:45:56,040 Let let's get back to to Corley. Are you guys not a little bit 2075 01:45:56,040 --> 01:45:59,200 spooked by like it's kind of similar to the Steelers stuff? 2076 01:45:59,200 --> 01:46:01,000 Am I worried? Yeah, I'm not. 2077 01:46:01,680 --> 01:46:04,400 OK, it's probably dumb to be worried about Xavier Gibson. 2078 01:46:04,400 --> 01:46:05,920 That is what the I guess we should add context. 2079 01:46:05,920 --> 01:46:07,000 That's what the Beats are saying, right? 2080 01:46:07,000 --> 01:46:09,040 Now I'm a little worried. I'm a little worried about the 2081 01:46:09,040 --> 01:46:12,320 Corley stuff. So the the consensus coming out 2082 01:46:12,360 --> 01:46:17,120 of the mini camp stuff was like, you know, pads aren't on yet. 2083 01:46:17,600 --> 01:46:19,560 And, and when pads are on, you know, this guy's a tackle 2084 01:46:19,560 --> 01:46:21,360 breaker. So so maybe we'll see it then. 2085 01:46:22,320 --> 01:46:24,920 Like I don't want to hear that. This is like supposed to be pure 2086 01:46:24,920 --> 01:46:26,440 optimism. We're all just drinking from the 2087 01:46:26,440 --> 01:46:28,800 fountain of optimism. And and where we got to wait 2088 01:46:28,800 --> 01:46:31,560 till pads come on till we can be optimistic about Corley made me 2089 01:46:31,560 --> 01:46:34,160 a little nervous. Yeah, he's going to come in 2090 01:46:34,160 --> 01:46:38,440 really raw as a route runner. Like I do think they'll probably 2091 01:46:38,440 --> 01:46:41,880 he'll be like a guy that schemed a lot of screens and then maybe 2092 01:46:41,880 --> 01:46:46,320 he can emerge to being sort of like an underneath slot wide 2093 01:46:46,320 --> 01:46:49,840 receiver yak guy. But yeah, I think he's gonna be 2094 01:46:49,840 --> 01:46:52,240 really raw. I don't have any hot takes on 2095 01:46:52,240 --> 01:46:54,760 one 7080P. Like to me it's just. 2096 01:46:54,960 --> 01:46:56,560 It's Randall Cobb, Dude. You don't even have to. 2097 01:46:56,680 --> 01:46:58,960 You don't even have to to close your eyes and imagine you. 2098 01:46:58,960 --> 01:47:05,400 You've seen this movie before. Yeah, but like, you know, Cobb 2099 01:47:05,400 --> 01:47:08,960 clicked with Rogers in multiple ways. 2100 01:47:08,960 --> 01:47:13,000 They're like best friends. So like he, you know, we're not 2101 01:47:13,000 --> 01:47:17,120 getting those reports yet with with poorly that he, you know, 2102 01:47:17,440 --> 01:47:19,080 looking like that. He's establishing that 2103 01:47:19,080 --> 01:47:23,360 connection. You're it's not purely a safety 2104 01:47:23,360 --> 01:47:26,200 blanket kind of role because it's a lot of it is schemed, but 2105 01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:29,600 I don't know. I'm I want to hear that. 2106 01:47:29,600 --> 01:47:35,400 That's that, you know, he has that role locked down and he's 2107 01:47:35,560 --> 01:47:38,880 he's looking good in it. Like frankly, it's not the 2108 01:47:38,880 --> 01:47:41,680 highest upside role. Like if you're if it's like, 2109 01:47:41,680 --> 01:47:43,560 hey, yeah, we're going to have to scheme you up these like 2110 01:47:43,560 --> 01:47:47,200 Randall Cobb hybrid touches like you. 2111 01:47:47,960 --> 01:47:50,080 I would really like to know for sure you're getting those 2112 01:47:50,080 --> 01:47:53,800 because it's not like I I'm I would rather bet on a guy who I 2113 01:47:53,800 --> 01:47:57,560 think is just a good NFL receiver that's going to come in 2114 01:47:57,560 --> 01:48:00,000 and be able to establish himself in a traditional way. 2115 01:48:00,440 --> 01:48:02,160 Corley, I don't really think is that guy. 2116 01:48:04,040 --> 01:48:05,800 And I don't think it doesn't sound like he is. 2117 01:48:07,120 --> 01:48:08,520 I think it's just it's going to be a leap. 2118 01:48:08,520 --> 01:48:12,240 These small school guys that like didn't really play true 2119 01:48:12,240 --> 01:48:15,200 wide receiver in college generally take more time. 2120 01:48:16,320 --> 01:48:20,440 But yeah, again, not a not a film watcher, but you watch 2121 01:48:20,440 --> 01:48:23,440 Corley's highlights. It's not it's not hard to see 2122 01:48:23,440 --> 01:48:27,400 how his yak ability could translate to the NFL, and that 2123 01:48:27,400 --> 01:48:29,040 could certainly show up later in the season. 2124 01:48:29,360 --> 01:48:33,720 I've been kind of experimenting with the take in my head and 2125 01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:39,160 never, you never voiced it. Remember how like Amen Raw last 2126 01:48:39,160 --> 01:48:42,640 year in high stakes drafts, like when we got to we got to Vegas 2127 01:48:42,640 --> 01:48:46,040 and everything and it's like, all right, let's stop ticking 2128 01:48:46,040 --> 01:48:48,440 around. We got the 104, I'm taking Amen 2129 01:48:48,440 --> 01:48:50,720 Raw, We got the 105. I'm just taking Amen Raw. 2130 01:48:52,720 --> 01:48:55,480 Are we going to get there with Garrett Wilson for like, by the 2131 01:48:55,520 --> 01:48:57,240 end of the summer, people? That's the opposite. 2132 01:48:57,440 --> 01:49:01,200 I'm not pushing. Pushing Wilson up too high is is 2133 01:49:01,200 --> 01:49:04,640 slappy behavior that that is, that is going to that is, that 2134 01:49:04,640 --> 01:49:07,400 is trying to make the fancy play. 2135 01:49:07,800 --> 01:49:10,880 Like if you ever take Garrett Wilson over Justin Jefferson, 2136 01:49:11,280 --> 01:49:12,840 come on, dude. I think we're, I think we're 2137 01:49:12,840 --> 01:49:14,480 going to get that, I think. No, that is. 2138 01:49:14,480 --> 01:49:18,120 I got my one pick, I got my high stakes draft, I got my I'm 2139 01:49:18,120 --> 01:49:20,120 putting, I'm putting my stamp on this team. 2140 01:49:20,120 --> 01:49:22,120 This is the guy. I think you're getting it if 2141 01:49:22,120 --> 01:49:23,480 you're getting. Garrett I mean, we, we don't 2142 01:49:23,480 --> 01:49:25,640 want it. We don't want to admit it, but 2143 01:49:25,640 --> 01:49:28,400 there's there's massive Ohio State bias in the fantasy 2144 01:49:28,400 --> 01:49:30,360 football space. No one wants to talk about it. 2145 01:49:30,360 --> 01:49:33,800 But these Ohio State guys, that's absolutely true. 2146 01:49:34,040 --> 01:49:37,280 People are have hives around these guys. 2147 01:49:37,280 --> 01:49:40,600 And I, I again, I think Garrett Wilson is a totally fine pick at 2148 01:49:40,600 --> 01:49:43,120 pick eleven. I think it's fancy play syndrome 2149 01:49:43,120 --> 01:49:46,720 to take them over the A.J. Brown the Pukanakua like. 2150 01:49:47,360 --> 01:49:48,560 It's one. Of me I just don't get. 2151 01:49:48,560 --> 01:49:49,960 It it's one of the fanciest plays. 2152 01:49:50,640 --> 01:49:54,800 Yeah, I, I think I, I think we're not gonna the idea that 2153 01:49:54,800 --> 01:49:59,000 you would like even hesitate. These are not the players we're 2154 01:49:59,000 --> 01:50:01,160 going to be talking about. It's going to be Aman Rah and 2155 01:50:01,160 --> 01:50:03,600 Justin Jefferson by the end of the summer, because we're going 2156 01:50:03,600 --> 01:50:06,080 to be, we're going to be because look, Corley's not. 2157 01:50:06,080 --> 01:50:07,480 It doesn't look like Corley's doing it. 2158 01:50:07,720 --> 01:50:10,920 We're getting cold feet on Mike Williams and his ability to play 2159 01:50:10,920 --> 01:50:12,760 right away. And we know Rodgers will just 2160 01:50:12,760 --> 01:50:14,080 feed a dude. By the way, this whole thing 2161 01:50:14,080 --> 01:50:17,880 where Rodgers had an unexcused absence, we are literally not 2162 01:50:17,880 --> 01:50:20,760 going to remember that that happened by the time it's 2163 01:50:20,760 --> 01:50:22,280 September. Until November. 2164 01:50:22,400 --> 01:50:26,800 Yeah. Careful, the people in the 2165 01:50:26,800 --> 01:50:29,600 comments do did not like the Aaron Rodgers discussion. 2166 01:50:29,640 --> 01:50:34,440 Let's let's let's let's table this one the comments. 2167 01:50:35,040 --> 01:50:37,880 That we will have forgotten. Early September will have 2168 01:50:37,880 --> 01:50:41,280 forgotten because it was excused in the sense that they knew he 2169 01:50:41,280 --> 01:50:42,800 was doing they're you're just not a LAT. 2170 01:50:42,800 --> 01:50:46,480 Like literally you can't excuse an absence, but it's not injury 2171 01:50:46,480 --> 01:50:49,320 related for mandatory mini camp. So the whole thing it's a non 2172 01:50:49,320 --> 01:50:52,120 Stewart. So anyway, by the way, one of 2173 01:50:52,120 --> 01:50:56,520 the guys who's in on the Ohio State bias is is Matt Harmon. 2174 01:50:56,720 --> 01:51:02,680 He's he charted 96th percentile success rate versus versus man. 2175 01:51:03,000 --> 01:51:04,920 No one doubts Garrett Wilson is good. 2176 01:51:04,920 --> 01:51:09,840 He just has the he just has the not good surrounding like his 2177 01:51:09,840 --> 01:51:14,120 quarterback is a 40 year old podcaster with a torn Achilles. 2178 01:51:14,520 --> 01:51:17,560 With the long history of only throwing to the one guy that he 2179 01:51:17,560 --> 01:51:20,280 likes, which. Sounds no, I mean like Garrett 2180 01:51:20,280 --> 01:51:21,920 Wilson, I think he's gonna be good. 2181 01:51:21,920 --> 01:51:23,880 Like I'm not saying you don't take Garrett Wilson. 2182 01:51:23,880 --> 01:51:26,600 I'm just saying like I would, I would take, I wouldn't argue 2183 01:51:26,600 --> 01:51:30,040 with you if you wanted to take Garrett Wilson at six, but not 2184 01:51:30,040 --> 01:51:33,920 over Jefferson. Well, listen, this isn't just to 2185 01:51:33,920 --> 01:51:37,560 be clear, I'm not saying he should go over Jefferson. 2186 01:51:37,920 --> 01:51:38,520 You're just. I don't. 2187 01:51:38,520 --> 01:51:41,400 Like taking him over Puka. I don't like taking him over 2188 01:51:41,400 --> 01:51:44,800 Brown, but I'm not getting very much with that stance. 2189 01:51:44,800 --> 01:51:47,880 Like I'm getting like 6 to 7% because people do take him over 2190 01:51:47,880 --> 01:51:50,720 those guys and I hate it. And I'm sitting here and I'm 2191 01:51:50,720 --> 01:51:53,840 like, I, I this dude by the end of the summer is going to go 2192 01:51:53,840 --> 01:51:57,680 106, maybe even 105. Like he's that's and I'm and I'm 2193 01:51:57,680 --> 01:52:00,120 going to get not enough. And then he's going to have a 2194 01:52:00,120 --> 01:52:02,680 33% target share from Aaron Rodgers because Aaron Rodgers is 2195 01:52:02,680 --> 01:52:05,680 just like, I'm going to throw it to you after I snap it. 2196 01:52:05,680 --> 01:52:07,760 And then he does I. Just realized we have a whole 2197 01:52:07,760 --> 01:52:12,400 other slide to do. I might I might have to bow out. 2198 01:52:12,800 --> 01:52:15,600 I did not. I mean clear out three hours for 2199 01:52:15,600 --> 01:52:19,040 this show. We, we got to stop. 2200 01:52:19,080 --> 01:52:20,640 We got to stop there in Roger's talk. 2201 01:52:21,600 --> 01:52:26,000 Let's move on to the Cardinals. We'll get through these ones 2202 01:52:26,000 --> 01:52:28,440 quickly. Actually, let's let's get to the 2203 01:52:28,440 --> 01:52:32,440 ones that are more interesting for finding the puka types. 2204 01:52:33,000 --> 01:52:38,400 I think we talked there are two real puka types on this list. 2205 01:52:38,440 --> 01:52:43,040 I think one of them unironically Greg Dorcher, Michael Wilson, 2206 01:52:43,120 --> 01:52:46,520 the whoever the winner of is behind is the wide receiver 2 2207 01:52:46,680 --> 01:52:48,720 for Arizona. You can get differing opinions 2208 01:52:48,720 --> 01:52:52,680 on who that will be and Davontes Walker is a is a really really. 2209 01:52:52,680 --> 01:52:55,080 That's a good one. That's a legit, that's a really 2210 01:52:55,080 --> 01:52:57,120 good one. Because it's just such a weak 2211 01:52:57,120 --> 01:52:59,640 wide receiver depth chart. Again, you have this list here. 2212 01:52:59,640 --> 01:53:03,080 Why these guys are less interesting to me is because on 2213 01:53:03,080 --> 01:53:06,800 all these offenses you also have the presence of an elite tight 2214 01:53:06,800 --> 01:53:08,480 end. We can debate who's elite and 2215 01:53:08,480 --> 01:53:10,760 who's not to the end of this world, but there there's really 2216 01:53:10,760 --> 01:53:12,880 highly drafted tight ends and all these teams. 2217 01:53:13,320 --> 01:53:15,480 So Mark Andrews and Zay Flowers there. 2218 01:53:15,480 --> 01:53:18,560 It makes it a little bit harder for someone to emerge because 2219 01:53:18,560 --> 01:53:21,360 their ceiling is probably the third target earner. 2220 01:53:21,600 --> 01:53:24,040 But I still really like Walker here. 2221 01:53:24,400 --> 01:53:26,520 You know, Bateman, we kind of know the story with Bateman. 2222 01:53:26,520 --> 01:53:28,960 He's really disappointed through three years in the NFL. 2223 01:53:29,240 --> 01:53:33,440 Walker, a very imperfect prospect, but enough flashes 2224 01:53:33,440 --> 01:53:36,160 there that he could be really exciting. 2225 01:53:36,160 --> 01:53:42,600 So yeah, I really like this bet. Yeah, and he's super cheap and I 2226 01:53:42,600 --> 01:53:46,000 like Walker as a a bring back on the Houston stuff. 2227 01:53:46,000 --> 01:53:48,480 If if you're doing that, which I do a decent amount of, even if 2228 01:53:48,480 --> 01:53:51,000 you're stacking without the quarterbacks, I like him as a 2229 01:53:51,000 --> 01:53:56,480 bring back, you know, and and I like like a high upside 2230 01:53:56,720 --> 01:54:01,960 downfield skill set. The downfield skill set with 2231 01:54:02,080 --> 01:54:04,280 Lamar that's so appealing. It's so appealing. 2232 01:54:04,280 --> 01:54:07,360 It's appealing for basketball's appealing for a single week. 2233 01:54:07,600 --> 01:54:09,600 You know, it's a single week play, especially if it's a bring 2234 01:54:09,600 --> 01:54:11,800 back on Stroud, right? You're just like, I just hope 2235 01:54:11,920 --> 01:54:14,360 Devonta Walker can literally not play a single game. 2236 01:54:14,360 --> 01:54:17,480 But if he scores a touchdown on week 17, that's amazing. 2237 01:54:18,920 --> 01:54:21,720 So I, I think Walker's are are really strong. 2238 01:54:22,200 --> 01:54:24,840 Maybe not candid to be Puka, but he's a good. 2239 01:54:24,840 --> 01:54:27,680 He's just a good pick. Yeah, maybe more like Wicks 2240 01:54:27,680 --> 01:54:30,480 level like fantasy production with with hopefully more like 2241 01:54:30,480 --> 01:54:32,840 Spike Weeks. I really like him. 2242 01:54:33,400 --> 01:54:34,920 The only other one I want to throw out here. 2243 01:54:34,920 --> 01:54:36,920 Again, this is like not someone I'm taking, but on the 2244 01:54:36,920 --> 01:54:40,800 monitoring list, Casey Washington getting some hype at 2245 01:54:40,800 --> 01:54:43,520 OTAs. I don't really think Darnell 2246 01:54:43,520 --> 01:54:45,720 Mooney or Rondelle Moore are very good. 2247 01:54:45,720 --> 01:54:47,920 No, take the Rondelle Moore slander back. 2248 01:54:49,360 --> 01:54:52,200 Take it back. But I was also gonna say I'm not 2249 01:54:52,200 --> 01:54:55,160 sure if Kyle Pitts is very good. Oh, wow. 2250 01:54:56,720 --> 01:54:58,760 I'm just saying. I was wondering why you took the 2251 01:54:59,240 --> 01:55:02,400 Rondale Moore slander back with such little fight but it was to 2252 01:55:02,440 --> 01:55:04,840 save a it. Was it was to save some slander? 2253 01:55:05,080 --> 01:55:06,520 It was to save a bullet in the chamber. 2254 01:55:06,520 --> 01:55:08,080 Yeah, I I couldn't get away with both. 2255 01:55:09,720 --> 01:55:13,000 But I don't know, man. Like this, This team is gonna 2256 01:55:13,200 --> 01:55:15,800 probably lead the NFL in pass attempts if things go as 2257 01:55:15,800 --> 01:55:19,360 planned. There's room here behind Drake 2258 01:55:19,360 --> 01:55:20,920 London. If some of these other things 2259 01:55:20,920 --> 01:55:24,800 don't work out with some some questionable, I guess we can say 2260 01:55:25,120 --> 01:55:28,000 profiles behind them. So just a guy worth monitoring 2261 01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:31,120 for me. Anyone else in this list people 2262 01:55:31,120 --> 01:55:33,120 want to just like throw out as? Yeah, let me. 2263 01:55:33,280 --> 01:55:35,800 Just. Do let me just do my Greg Dorch 2264 01:55:36,480 --> 01:55:39,240 propaganda real quick. It'll take like it'll take like 2265 01:55:39,240 --> 01:55:42,400 10 seconds. So in games that that Greg Dorch 2266 01:55:42,400 --> 01:55:48,880 has played 70% of snaps or more, he basically has had at least 2267 01:55:50,520 --> 01:55:54,920 nine PPR points in all of them, which doesn't sound like much. 2268 01:55:55,120 --> 01:55:58,840 It's pretty good. And he's had three 100 yard 2269 01:55:58,840 --> 01:56:01,080 games. He scored a touchdown in three 2270 01:56:01,080 --> 01:56:05,320 of those nine games. I mean, Greg George is obviously 2271 01:56:05,320 --> 01:56:08,120 not this great player. There's a reason why he only has 2272 01:56:08,920 --> 01:56:13,560 11 games, I think of 71 percent or more snaps. 2273 01:56:15,320 --> 01:56:18,600 But if the whole Arizona thing comes together with Harrison in 2274 01:56:18,600 --> 01:56:20,720 there, Kyler's healthy. The running backs, you know, 2275 01:56:20,720 --> 01:56:22,240 they had the Thunder and lightning thing. 2276 01:56:22,920 --> 01:56:26,200 I mean, Dorch is the perfect slot guy to go in there with 2277 01:56:26,200 --> 01:56:30,320 Wilson and Harrison being on the exterior and and I think the 2278 01:56:30,720 --> 01:56:35,560 without Zay Jones having signed here, we would have gotten some 2279 01:56:35,560 --> 01:56:38,040 pretty steady drum beat on on Greg Dorch. 2280 01:56:38,040 --> 01:56:40,600 But I mean, obviously I'm a sloppy. 2281 01:56:41,120 --> 01:56:45,040 He's not going to be puka, but he's like a pretty promulent 1 2282 01:56:45,040 --> 01:56:48,880 Dale simulator for Arizona. Yeah, Only thing I want to add 2283 01:56:48,880 --> 01:56:52,320 quickly in Arizona is that Michael Wilson, I I think his 2284 01:56:52,320 --> 01:56:54,480 rookie season was a little underrated. 2285 01:56:54,560 --> 01:57:00,240 The story was basically pretty not great target earning, but 2286 01:57:00,240 --> 01:57:01,640 pretty good in yards for out run. 2287 01:57:01,640 --> 01:57:03,760 So he's very efficient on a per target basis. 2288 01:57:04,560 --> 01:57:06,120 I I just think there, there's something there. 2289 01:57:06,120 --> 01:57:08,400 Again, I don't think we're definitely not talking like a 2290 01:57:08,400 --> 01:57:12,440 puka level hit, but in terms of just like correlated guy with 2291 01:57:12,440 --> 01:57:16,600 Kyler Murray, I actually think that the team probably believes 2292 01:57:16,600 --> 01:57:19,320 in Michael Wilson a good amount. People are overreacting to the 2293 01:57:19,320 --> 01:57:20,800 Zay Jones stuff. He got like a million 2294 01:57:20,800 --> 01:57:22,160 guaranteed. That's like nothing. 2295 01:57:22,320 --> 01:57:25,120 He's he's backing up. He's he's the Michael Wilson 2296 01:57:25,120 --> 01:57:27,000 backup. Well, you know, you the, you 2297 01:57:27,000 --> 01:57:30,240 know what the comp is for Michael Wilson, Zay Jones. 2298 01:57:30,920 --> 01:57:34,360 Yeah, he's the Zay Jones from, what, two years ago when he 2299 01:57:34,360 --> 01:57:38,240 actually hit where there, you know, he's the he very clearly 2300 01:57:38,240 --> 01:57:40,880 had a role in the outside. They didn't have a lot else to 2301 01:57:40,880 --> 01:57:44,680 throw to. And he had, you know, hopefully 2302 01:57:44,680 --> 01:57:47,160 you're like, and he's priced at a level where he has a spike 2303 01:57:47,160 --> 01:57:49,000 week in week 16. Like, hell yeah. 2304 01:57:49,240 --> 01:57:50,680 You know that's that's more than enough. 2305 01:57:51,520 --> 01:57:53,400 Exactly. Yeah, just just betting on 2306 01:57:53,400 --> 01:57:56,800 touchdowns with him. All right, that'll, that'll wrap 2307 01:57:56,800 --> 01:57:58,320 things up. Final question here. 2308 01:57:58,320 --> 01:58:00,720 Let's let's like answer answer the question. 2309 01:58:00,720 --> 01:58:03,920 We started with a little bit. Let's say of all these wide 2310 01:58:03,920 --> 01:58:09,000 receivers, let's say going past pick 180, so guys like Devon 2311 01:58:09,000 --> 01:58:14,880 Tez, Walker, Javon Baker, Jalen Brooks, all these guys would 2312 01:58:14,880 --> 01:58:18,400 qualify. Who is your guy's favorite bet 2313 01:58:18,400 --> 01:58:23,240 to say be a top 20 wide receiver by half point VPR? 2314 01:58:24,360 --> 01:58:26,280 I'm saying it's likely to happen, but best bet? 2315 01:58:26,600 --> 01:58:28,960 Brendan Rice. All right. 2316 01:58:30,000 --> 01:58:32,720 Javon Baker. That would have been. 2317 01:58:32,720 --> 01:58:35,120 That would have been my 2. I was, I was gonna say Javon 2318 01:58:35,120 --> 01:58:40,880 Baker if I if I have to say someone else if Troy Franklin 2319 01:58:40,880 --> 01:58:42,640 qualified, he's. Going well, You, you put it at 2320 01:58:42,640 --> 01:58:44,280 180. I was gonna say, Franklin, you 2321 01:58:44,280 --> 01:58:45,320 put it at 180. All right. 2322 01:58:45,320 --> 01:58:48,200 I'm taking Luke, Luke McCaffrey for the taste, and that's a good 2323 01:58:48,200 --> 01:58:49,680 one in Washington. That's a good. 2324 01:58:49,800 --> 01:58:51,680 One all right, What are we doing for the ADP game? 2325 01:58:53,120 --> 01:58:54,960 Let's let's do the same game we always do. 2326 01:58:56,480 --> 01:59:00,400 Favorite ADP riser can be one of these guys we talked about. 2327 01:59:01,200 --> 01:59:03,960 I don't think the bet on any, I will say before we get into 2328 01:59:03,960 --> 01:59:06,040 this, I don't think the bet on any of these guys is that 2329 01:59:06,040 --> 01:59:09,720 they're going to be ADP risers. Like rookies that are buried on 2330 01:59:09,720 --> 01:59:13,000 depth charts are more likely to have negative buzz and positive 2331 01:59:13,000 --> 01:59:14,960 buzz, to be honest. And even if there is positive 2332 01:59:14,960 --> 01:59:17,640 buzz, people don't generally pay attention to too much. 2333 01:59:17,640 --> 01:59:21,520 So, but yeah, feel free to pick one of those guys or pick, pick 2334 01:59:21,520 --> 01:59:23,080 whoever. I got ones. 2335 01:59:23,600 --> 01:59:25,240 I might have already taken him. I don't think I did, though. 2336 01:59:25,240 --> 01:59:29,680 I'm going to take Curtis Samuel. I think the market has already 2337 01:59:29,680 --> 01:59:32,920 shown they're kind of regretting drafting so much Dalton Kincaid, 2338 01:59:32,920 --> 01:59:35,840 and they're kind of sheepishly walking that back a little bit. 2339 01:59:36,200 --> 01:59:39,960 And there also is going to become an inflection point where 2340 01:59:40,320 --> 01:59:44,080 the Bills coaching staff continues to not say anything 2341 01:59:44,080 --> 01:59:46,880 nice about. We played the clip on the show 2342 01:59:46,880 --> 01:59:49,280 last week and they were like, yeah, you know, Keon can't 2343 01:59:49,280 --> 01:59:52,400 really block and running routes doesn't seem that good and his 2344 01:59:52,400 --> 01:59:54,760 hands aren't great, but he is showing up and working hard 2345 01:59:54,760 --> 01:59:56,760 every day and he's. A great guy. 2346 01:59:56,840 --> 01:59:59,000 A great guy. He's funny, yeah, very funny. 2347 01:59:59,200 --> 02:00:03,600 So I think we will see Samuel go up, Coleman come down and maybe 2348 02:00:03,600 --> 02:00:05,160 even see Shakira go down a little bit. 2349 02:00:05,160 --> 02:00:08,640 But I think I think Samuel will flip in Coleman at some point. 2350 02:00:09,480 --> 02:00:12,960 I love the Curtis Samuel Samuel stuff so no pushback for me on. 2351 02:00:12,960 --> 02:00:15,240 That Curtis Samuel back with Brady, that's not even a big 2352 02:00:15,240 --> 02:00:17,240 narrative yet. Chet just mentioned that pretty 2353 02:00:17,240 --> 02:00:21,040 big. Crane you got 1 otherwise I I 2354 02:00:21,040 --> 02:00:22,160 got one. No, go, go for it. 2355 02:00:22,160 --> 02:00:23,640 I gotta figure mine out, all right? 2356 02:00:24,120 --> 02:00:26,560 I'm I'm gonna take take a risk here. 2357 02:00:26,560 --> 02:00:28,440 I'm I'm calling bottom on Kyron Williams. 2358 02:00:28,440 --> 02:00:30,640 This isn't even a guy that I particularly. 2359 02:00:30,880 --> 02:00:34,320 Love, it's just pretty risky because quorum keeps going up. 2360 02:00:34,680 --> 02:00:39,560 Yeah, I just, I just think like we're getting close to people 2361 02:00:39,920 --> 02:00:43,680 coming back into draft rooms, you know, in later in July and 2362 02:00:43,680 --> 02:00:46,240 August after not paying attention to fantasy football 2363 02:00:46,240 --> 02:00:48,200 all offseason. There's being like, what the 2364 02:00:48,200 --> 02:00:50,040 hell are we doing? Like Kyron Williams was the 2365 02:00:50,040 --> 02:00:53,080 second best player in fantasy last year on a per game basis. 2366 02:00:53,320 --> 02:00:56,680 He's going to pick 31. I'm taking him in the middle of 2367 02:00:56,680 --> 02:00:58,320 the second round. Like what the hell are these 2368 02:00:58,320 --> 02:01:02,240 nerds doing? So I I think he's unless there's 2369 02:01:02,240 --> 02:01:05,440 more bad injury news, which is possible, I understand that's a 2370 02:01:05,440 --> 02:01:08,000 risk. I just think the August drafters 2371 02:01:08,000 --> 02:01:10,840 are not letting Kyron get to pick 30. 2372 02:01:13,040 --> 02:01:15,720 Yeah, I like it. Not even saying I love him at 2373 02:01:15,720 --> 02:01:18,120 pick 30, I'm just it's purely AADP prediction. 2374 02:01:20,200 --> 02:01:24,120 I'm gonna go Zamir White, who I've been starting to take a a 2375 02:01:24,120 --> 02:01:26,640 fair amount of. I thought he would steam up 2376 02:01:27,720 --> 02:01:30,000 Sacrilegious. Got so mad at me when I said I 2377 02:01:30,000 --> 02:01:33,640 didn't have any of him. Yeah, that makes me feel good 2378 02:01:33,640 --> 02:01:34,600 about this pick. Then. 2379 02:01:35,800 --> 02:01:38,840 Sacrilegious, when we first were transitioned from the big board, 2380 02:01:38,840 --> 02:01:41,080 identified him as a guy that would probably steam up, and we 2381 02:01:41,080 --> 02:01:44,000 wanted to get ahead of that. That didn't really happened, but 2382 02:01:44,000 --> 02:01:48,640 I think it partly didn't happen because there was so much wide 2383 02:01:48,640 --> 02:01:52,320 receiver steam just generally and kind of everyone, you know, 2384 02:01:52,320 --> 02:01:54,400 it's like Christian Watson, Jackson Smith and Jig, but 2385 02:01:54,400 --> 02:01:56,400 Deontay Johnson. Like that whole group had to 2386 02:01:56,400 --> 02:01:59,760 come up and all these running backs have kind of just fallen 2387 02:01:59,760 --> 02:02:03,360 into this big, big bucket and you kind of pick the guy who's 2388 02:02:03,360 --> 02:02:05,840 there and no one that puts too much thought into which ones, 2389 02:02:06,400 --> 02:02:08,360 which kind of makes sense structurally in this 2390 02:02:08,360 --> 02:02:10,240 environment. But as the environment changes 2391 02:02:10,240 --> 02:02:13,840 and we're forced to like, pick which one of these guys we want 2392 02:02:13,840 --> 02:02:16,800 and then maybe try to get a wide receiver in the eighth, it might 2393 02:02:16,800 --> 02:02:19,200 be wide receivers in the eighth and ninth round again in in 2394 02:02:19,200 --> 02:02:23,400 August or September. I think that White is a good 2395 02:02:23,400 --> 02:02:25,640 candidate to be one of the guys who rises potentially 2396 02:02:25,640 --> 02:02:28,920 substantially because Alexander Madison is his primary 2397 02:02:28,920 --> 02:02:30,080 competition for early down touches. 2398 02:02:30,080 --> 02:02:33,160 And we know he's not good. They're talking him up as like 2399 02:02:33,160 --> 02:02:35,280 the bell cow. He's going to be very 2400 02:02:35,280 --> 02:02:37,960 projectable. And then Dylan Lowby, you know, 2401 02:02:37,960 --> 02:02:40,000 might be the passing down guy. But. 2402 02:02:41,480 --> 02:02:44,280 But maybe he doesn't play that much, you know, and maybe he, we 2403 02:02:44,280 --> 02:02:45,600 don't think he's gonna play that much. 2404 02:02:45,600 --> 02:02:46,960 He's. Probably listening to this show 2405 02:02:46,960 --> 02:02:49,840 right now. I listen, I mean, he's he's made 2406 02:02:49,840 --> 02:02:52,680 some, you know, he's he's had some buzz. 2407 02:02:52,680 --> 02:02:55,720 Like I I think lobby's not nothing, but like even if White 2408 02:02:55,720 --> 02:02:59,520 is just the clear cut 2 down guy here and they're talking about 2409 02:02:59,520 --> 02:03:02,840 running their offense through him, he's not gonna go at 88. 2410 02:03:02,920 --> 02:03:06,240 Yeah, you, you, you are. You are totally right about it. 2411 02:03:06,240 --> 02:03:10,160 It's really just, yeah, he's going to end up kind of going 2412 02:03:10,160 --> 02:03:11,760 like 10 picks higher, fifteen pick. 2413 02:03:11,760 --> 02:03:14,280 Kind of like where where Rashad White and Ken Walker go. 2414 02:03:14,280 --> 02:03:15,480 I think he's probably right. He could go. 2415 02:03:15,520 --> 02:03:17,240 He could go 20 picks higher. Yeah. 2416 02:03:18,400 --> 02:03:21,440 Cranis, you've been one of the guys you've watched the the film 2417 02:03:21,440 --> 02:03:23,360 on in the cut UPS. I have dude. 2418 02:03:24,320 --> 02:03:25,720 I I again I don't. Know. 2419 02:03:25,920 --> 02:03:29,320 Anything about watching film? But I did some of that too, and 2420 02:03:30,320 --> 02:03:32,360 I think he looks kind of good. Yeah, he's fine. 2421 02:03:32,880 --> 02:03:34,920 He's. Not dynamic, he just is like big 2422 02:03:34,920 --> 02:03:38,000 and strong. He's big, he gets moving, you 2423 02:03:38,040 --> 02:03:39,680 know, he seems fine. And again. 2424 02:03:40,080 --> 02:03:43,880 Fine, same college team as James Cook and he produced him from a 2425 02:03:43,880 --> 02:03:48,040 rushing perspective in college. And was the number one running 2426 02:03:48,040 --> 02:03:50,120 back recruit coming into college. 2427 02:03:50,120 --> 02:03:52,680 Tore both Acls before I ever saw the college field. 2428 02:03:53,040 --> 02:03:54,520 But then he ran they. Recruited him. 2429 02:03:54,640 --> 02:03:56,320 He was there with chub too, right? 2430 02:03:56,520 --> 02:03:58,800 Or am I mixing up back fields? I don't think so. 2431 02:03:58,800 --> 02:04:00,680 There was another guy. There was another guy, guy with 2432 02:04:00,680 --> 02:04:04,400 Cook and White at some point. Yeah, maybe early in his career. 2433 02:04:05,480 --> 02:04:06,920 Let me look this up. Doesn't. 2434 02:04:06,960 --> 02:04:08,840 Doesn't. Matter over left but I could be 2435 02:04:08,840 --> 02:04:09,680 wrong. Chubb. 2436 02:04:09,680 --> 02:04:11,840 Chubb is absolutely not it. OK. 2437 02:04:12,320 --> 02:04:14,840 Chubb is like 30, DeAndre Swift is. 2438 02:04:14,840 --> 02:04:16,480 Is DeAndre. Swift was DeAndre Swift. 2439 02:04:16,800 --> 02:04:18,840 Yeah, God. Damn, I'm old, bro. 2440 02:04:19,160 --> 02:04:20,880 Nick Chubb was there like nine years ago. 2441 02:04:21,600 --> 02:04:24,400 Kenny man, anyway, I don't wanna pay for like projectable volume 2442 02:04:24,400 --> 02:04:26,720 on the, you know, a pretty like he didn't have a good college 2443 02:04:26,720 --> 02:04:28,600 career, but at one point he was seen as great and then he ran 2444 02:04:28,600 --> 02:04:30,440 well and then the coach is talking him up. 2445 02:04:30,440 --> 02:04:33,360 So it's like, it's all a bet that makes me very, very nervous 2446 02:04:33,880 --> 02:04:37,600 in the fourth or fifth round. But it's like, what if we what 2447 02:04:37,600 --> 02:04:39,680 if we just double that? ADP, are you in now? 2448 02:04:39,680 --> 02:04:43,280 And turns out, yes, I am. That's, that's how I'm feeling. 2449 02:04:43,280 --> 02:04:45,000 I'm I'm actually drafting a decent amount of them now. 2450 02:04:46,560 --> 02:04:48,080 Great. I like that one too. 2451 02:04:48,880 --> 02:04:51,760 All right, that'll do it for today's show. 2452 02:04:51,760 --> 02:04:54,840 You know, you really gotta struggle for topics in July when 2453 02:04:54,840 --> 02:04:57,720 there's literally no NFL news. Just just give us some news next 2454 02:04:57,720 --> 02:04:58,440 week, please. Sorry. 2455 02:04:58,560 --> 02:04:59,200 I can't. Sorry for. 2456 02:04:59,480 --> 02:05:01,200 This being so brief. Yeah, sorry. 2457 02:05:02,200 --> 02:05:04,000 We didn't really have much to talk about this week. 2458 02:05:05,920 --> 02:05:08,280 Yeah. But anyways, Davis, I saw you 2459 02:05:08,280 --> 02:05:11,480 had a big announcement today. You wanna tell people about that 2460 02:05:11,480 --> 02:05:12,680 and what what else you have coming up? 2461 02:05:13,280 --> 02:05:18,880 Yep underdog partnership is is happening official underdog 2462 02:05:18,880 --> 02:05:24,600 influencer YouTube streams are gonna start tomorrow so be ready 2463 02:05:24,600 --> 02:05:26,640 for that it's coming down and I got one more announcement coming 2464 02:05:26,840 --> 02:05:29,120 tomorrow but it's not quite ready yet so we'll you're gonna. 2465 02:05:29,200 --> 02:05:32,000 Spend those influencer one O ones on Justin Jefferson. 2466 02:05:33,240 --> 02:05:35,680 No, but influencer one O threes I might. 2467 02:05:38,360 --> 02:05:41,880 Crane Sidekick's been out about a week now. 2468 02:05:41,920 --> 02:05:43,720 Anything else you wanted to talk about? 2469 02:05:44,320 --> 02:05:47,440 Yeah, check out the sidekick legendaryupside.com/sidekick 2470 02:05:48,040 --> 02:05:52,240 Dynamic Best Ball rankings. Sacrilegious just had an article 2471 02:05:52,240 --> 02:05:57,080 out on Saturday looking at Week 16 correlation, kind of diving 2472 02:05:57,080 --> 02:06:00,680 into why week 17 correlation still looks to be king, but week 2473 02:06:00,680 --> 02:06:05,720 16 correlation is intriguing and just kind of making a case for 2474 02:06:05,720 --> 02:06:09,600 for just regular old team stacking as as being underrated 2475 02:06:09,600 --> 02:06:11,200 at this point. So check that out. 2476 02:06:11,760 --> 02:06:13,840 I'm working on OH. It's fine to take three chiefs 2477 02:06:13,840 --> 02:06:15,320 without Mahomes, per Sacrilegious. 2478 02:06:15,760 --> 02:06:18,120 Honestly, yeah, I think it is. Let's go so. 2479 02:06:18,440 --> 02:06:20,880 After I read the name KJ Osborne in that article from 2480 02:06:20,880 --> 02:06:23,640 Sacrilegious. He just Peppers it in there 2481 02:06:23,640 --> 02:06:24,520 throughout. OK. 2482 02:06:24,600 --> 02:06:29,120 Great. So yeah, I'm working on an 2483 02:06:29,120 --> 02:06:32,960 article, this Garrett Wilson idea kind of having me think 2484 02:06:32,960 --> 02:06:37,960 about guys who are like, I'm not taking a ton of but I like that. 2485 02:06:37,960 --> 02:06:40,440 I'm now worried will move up and then I'll be like, this is dumb. 2486 02:06:40,920 --> 02:06:42,840 Kyle Pitts is actually one of them where I don't have a ton of 2487 02:06:42,840 --> 02:06:45,560 Kyle Pitts and I'm like, he's gonna flip Mark Andrews and I'm 2488 02:06:45,560 --> 02:06:47,880 just gonna be furious about it. But then. 2489 02:06:47,960 --> 02:06:50,040 I'm not gonna happen. It's. 2490 02:06:50,280 --> 02:06:52,280 Gonna happen, give it so. Mad give it a month, it's gonna 2491 02:06:52,280 --> 02:06:55,000 happen. Yeah, so it's me pre tilting 2492 02:06:55,000 --> 02:06:58,200 stuff and then explaining, well I I probably am gonna take more 2493 02:06:58,200 --> 02:07:01,000 of the guy that I wasn't taking before 'cause I don't wanna be 2494 02:07:01,400 --> 02:07:03,520 extremely mad later. Fair. 2495 02:07:03,840 --> 02:07:06,080 That's fair. That's that's fair. 2496 02:07:06,880 --> 02:07:09,680 Well, awesome. Everyone check all that stuff 2497 02:07:09,680 --> 02:07:12,120 out. We'll be back next week. 2498 02:07:12,520 --> 02:07:18,120 Obviously regular ship chasing show on Thursday is when you 2499 02:07:18,120 --> 02:07:20,160 guys are doing those now, right? No, I think cause 'cause of the 2500 02:07:20,160 --> 02:07:21,880 fourth, we're not gonna. We're just, I think we're taking 2501 02:07:21,880 --> 02:07:23,520 this week off 'cause of the 4th. Got it. 2502 02:07:23,520 --> 02:07:25,480 OK. So yeah, we'll be back here on 2503 02:07:25,480 --> 02:07:26,160 this feed.