1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:06,440 All right, today on ship chasing no roasts, although who knows, 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:08,440 maybe we'll find someone to roast by the end of the show. 3 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:13,080 Now we are going to start to pivot our mindset a little from 4 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,160 basketball brain to redraft manage leagues. 5 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:19,200 If you guys are like us, we are starting to set our eyes on some 6 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,480 of our high stakes leagues. Obviously these involve waivers 7 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:25,800 and trades in an entirely different set of ways to think 8 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:27,280 about winning. So we're going to kind of 9 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,960 discuss through some of those. Also, we'll compare some of the 10 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:33,840 the underdog ADP to some of the high stakes ADP as well and see 11 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:37,000 where things might be varying because of those format 12 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:38,960 differences. So this is ship chasing with 13 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:40,720 Pete, Ben and Pat. Let's do it. 14 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:46,960 Pat Fryer, Helmo. This is why. 15 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,960 This is why I'm hot. Anita Handjob. 16 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:51,680 Fix your sight. Jamar. 17 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:55,720 Alpha play, chase are. You kidding me? 18 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:58,120 You. Can't handle the heat. 19 00:00:58,480 --> 00:00:59,840 It looks like we're finding this voice. 20 00:00:59,920 --> 00:01:08,640 You're right. Oh, what am I doing? 21 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,480 Where are we at here? I got to get Pat on stage. 22 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:13,440 Does this do it? Is that there he. 23 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,440 Is always shows up right before the intro. 24 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:18,800 It's pretty good, right? It's a good trip. 25 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:20,000 It's. A good trip. 26 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:22,960 Yeah, slightly earlier start time. 27 00:01:22,960 --> 00:01:27,680 I got AI got a 18 month checkup appointment for April here later 28 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:29,840 this afternoon. So I appreciate everyone 29 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,560 accommodating me. We also just need to do a little 30 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:36,960 postmortem on last week's roast show that ended up being a a 31 00:01:36,960 --> 00:01:39,760 mega hit. Sparked a beef. 32 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:44,560 It's sparked a beef that trickled over to Twitter Post 33 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:48,080 Twitter videos back and forth on ADP Chase. 34 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,000 They got swellcast pretty. Incredible. 35 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:54,720 I love that we literally pulled up a picture of Davis's stream, 36 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:58,640 roasted it, and that wasn't the beef that was started beef. 37 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:00,840 Beef was actually between Kitchen and JJ. 38 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:04,880 Incredible stuff. We might have to. 39 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,480 I mean, our schedule's going to obviously get pretty busy here 40 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,560 with all of our, our draft streams and stuff, but man, we 41 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,120 might have to make time for one more. 42 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:16,600 Maybe we could do like a, a late night or like a an after party 43 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,400 after one of the draft streams. It it roasts some teams at some. 44 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:20,760 That would be that would be very good. 45 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:24,960 That would be very good. Steph is Steph is the only 46 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,720 person in the world who gets excited for waivers. 47 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:35,160 Yeah, we last year, for people who don't know, we, we tapped 48 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:39,040 Stephanie to be point guard on all of our waivers across all of 49 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,280 our leagues. It made not only the teams 50 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,520 better, it made our lives better. 51 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,400 It improved our relationships, our morale, our relationships 52 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,360 with God. It basically just had an entire 53 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,440 what, 80? It has been elevating 54 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:53,360 everything. We talk about a rising tide. 55 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,400 Yeah, definitely. It's the rising tide. 56 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,920 So Steph, hopefully you're you're going nowhere this year 57 00:02:59,920 --> 00:03:02,920 because otherwise, no more, no more redraft leagues. 58 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:09,200 Never going back. But yeah, I thought it would be 59 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:13,480 fun to kind of talk through both like specific players and ADP 60 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:17,920 stuff, but also kind of macro things because it is really hard 61 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:19,720 to turn off your basketball brain. 62 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:21,800 Like even Gretch, I've been listening to your guys's great 63 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,720 projection pod with Leonie and seeing year over year how much 64 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,480 like best ball stuff then even leads into that. 65 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:30,200 And it's like, not even, it's not bad. 66 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:34,080 It's just like it's almost, it's so omnipresent and how we talk 67 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,280 about fantasy football now that it it is kind of hard to to 68 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,400 switch it up. Well, I mean, we talked about 69 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,360 last season how it was sort of burying dynasty, dynasty. 70 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,440 And I think it definitely did bury dynasty for like the the 71 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:50,400 key way we talked about fantasy in the offseason like 5-10 years 72 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,320 ago. That was there was best ball 73 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,200 back then, but it was still like, you know, dynasty and all 74 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,320 that. But we spend most of the 75 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,560 offseason structuring the way that we talk about fantasy 76 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:01,240 football as a hobby around best ball. 77 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:06,080 Like the a lot of time, right? It's not the Pat just took 78 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,360 himself off the street. He's like nodding along and then 79 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:11,600 he's gone. But yeah, I mean, like, there's 80 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:15,280 a lot of time and a lot of conversations baked around that 81 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:17,160 exact topic. So I mean. 82 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:22,280 Yeah, I, yeah, I've just finished and filed a piece for 83 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,920 for Fantasy Life. And even like even the 84 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:29,000 differences between what we're going to mainly be focused on 85 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,640 with like high stakes ADP, you know, over on FPC is really 86 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:36,240 different from the ESPN and Yahoo ADP's. 87 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,160 Obviously you got the tight end premium difference, but like, 88 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,960 you know, over on, you know, FPC like the rookies are going to 89 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,240 be, yeah, slightly less than they are on underdog, but still 90 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,000 like, you know, decently valued. Whereas on ESPN they're just 91 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,480 like complete afterthoughts. Like Elite Neighbors is going in 92 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,960 like the sixth or seventh round of of ESPN drafts right now. 93 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:58,200 So even that like is something you have to consider if people 94 00:04:58,200 --> 00:04:59,880 are gearing up for home leagues with buddies. 95 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:03,200 Yeah, the environments are very different. 96 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:07,120 And then as underdog moves more and more towards receiver, you 97 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,840 know that is only going to get more and more different because 98 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,840 I, I don't expect that a lot of these other formats and a lot of 99 00:05:13,840 --> 00:05:18,640 these other platforms will move in that direction as 100 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,040 aggressively. So they're just like, you know, 101 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,480 with the pockets of the draft and you know which players you 102 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,040 have to prioritize when starts to get more and more different. 103 00:05:28,280 --> 00:05:31,800 Let it you know that's putting aside the the differences that 104 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:33,680 you want to be thinking about because of the format. 105 00:05:35,280 --> 00:05:40,240 So what are what are the things like top of your mind right now? 106 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,480 I feel like the one thing that always, and I think is the 107 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:48,040 trickiest for us is we know with the redraft stuff we want to 108 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,720 take the biggest possible swings, like specifically at the 109 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,120 onesies as well because we know the safety net is there for the 110 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:55,920 waiver wire. The difference between like 111 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,120 what's going to be the Titan 12 and the guy we get on the 112 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,000 waivers isn't going to be that great, but if we hit on Sam 113 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,680 Laporta, that's going to supercharge our teams. 114 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,200 I think the thing we always have to balance is we sometimes we go 115 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,320 so many rookies because they are often the best pick in every 116 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,480 round. But then that can lead to 117 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,040 sputtering starts and like balancing that dynamic of 118 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,440 wanting to swing for the fences but knowing like, yeah, we are 119 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,680 going to need sub early season production as well. 120 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,480 That's definitely part of it. I think, you know, thinking 121 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:29,120 through like the best ball profile, you know, to some 122 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,320 extent kind of, you know, prioritizing like in a weird 123 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,960 way, you know, we've talked about better than best ball type 124 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:39,360 of stuff, but in a weird way, like it's those kind of more 125 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,280 steady profiles, especially at running back that I'm more 126 00:06:42,280 --> 00:06:48,280 interested in in best ball and are also cheaper on underdog 127 00:06:48,280 --> 00:06:53,160 than they will be on FFPC. So like, I don't know, like, you 128 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,880 know, Alan Kamara, I don't like taking even on underdog, but 129 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,920 like if he falls and I need a running back and I'm like he's 130 00:06:59,920 --> 00:07:02,640 going to help Phil Weeks. Sure, but I just pulled up the 131 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,280 on fantasy mojo. I pulled up the the Fantasy Pros 132 00:07:05,280 --> 00:07:09,680 Championship. ADP Kamara's going the pick 52 133 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,400 like. Yeah, middle of the fifth round. 134 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:17,680 Just absolutely not like I and you know, I don't care about 135 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:21,440 like filling weeks at running back in redraft where is like 136 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,840 there is some value to filling weeks in baseball. 137 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:26,360 You don't you don't get the wave wire. 138 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,720 You you don't get to, you know, change your team in any way. 139 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,880 So just having a dude on there is going to play a lot of weeks. 140 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:35,960 You know, like I don't I think still think it's a terrible 141 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,920 pick, but Fareed had Alexander Madison on his on his winning 142 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,640 roster. Like you can get away with kind 143 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:46,120 of these these weak filling running back selections in best 144 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,440 ball in a way. I think you really really want 145 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:53,360 to avoid drafting like that in managed, and they tend to be 146 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,520 more expensive in managed, so that makes it easier to avoid 147 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,280 them. Yeah, when you brought up this 148 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:02,400 topic, Pete, I mean, I was like, I'm I'm just going to be playing 149 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,000 the hits with anything that I talk about on this episode, like 150 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,160 Pat just said, like it's running back dead zone. 151 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,680 It's all that stuff. But we get the dead zone back 152 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,440 then. Dead zone is very much back. 153 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,800 I don't want to draft any dead zone backs in in managed. 154 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,480 I think for all the reasons you just said, you can make 155 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,120 exceptions in basketball, but it's still difficult to take 156 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,440 those picks in basketball. When we just did our our show a 157 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,440 couple weeks ago about the players that were afraid of not 158 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:28,440 having a lot of exposure to, we all picked running backs from 159 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:29,720 that range, right? Like or at least one. 160 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,360 We were like, there's some guys here that we can't really get to 161 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,480 structurally, but I think you can you can justify some of 162 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:37,360 those picks in basketball for the reasons you said. 163 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,640 You can't replace the running backs on the waiver wire. 164 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,120 You can't do the Frankenstein running back thing as easily 165 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,680 throughout the season. You can't have that revolving 166 00:08:45,680 --> 00:08:49,920 door you your roster stuck. And so the small win type 167 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,880 running back is way better in best ball. 168 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,000 It is way more viable the whatever it is. 169 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,280 Like I think Isaiah Pacheco's probably a small win at best or 170 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,040 Josh Jacobs. I mean, you said Alvin Camara, 171 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,440 any of those guys, but I'd go even to higher profile guys in 172 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:06,880 Camara as examples where that type of production maybe not 173 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:10,400 super replaceable. Yeah, I still think it's 174 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:11,920 probably replaceable in basketball this year. 175 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,400 But in managed like it's so much more replaceable like because 176 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:17,120 you you can actually play the wafer wire. 177 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:19,880 And the argument I made in a recent write up that we talked 178 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,280 about a little last week and then and Sean and I on Sin 179 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:26,120 Bananas did a big breakdown of the of the dead zone this week 180 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:30,720 in a couple different episodes. The argument that I've made in a 181 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:34,640 couple of those places is it's the same idea of, you know, 182 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:36,480 because there aren't as many of Mexico going high. 183 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,840 It's pushing down the value for the zero RB types. 184 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,440 But that there are so many offenses where we're not even 185 00:09:42,560 --> 00:09:44,360 like they're going to have running back points where we're 186 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,480 not even drafting the art, the first running back until the 187 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,440 double digit rounds. And there's some good ones. 188 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,960 The Denver backfield, the Chargers backfield, the Cowboys 189 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:54,720 are a really good fast-paced offense that are going to score 190 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:56,960 touchdowns. Their backfield, the Browns 191 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,560 backfield, because of Nick Chubb, there's definitely going 192 00:10:00,560 --> 00:10:02,520 to be running back points from the double digit round. 193 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:04,280 So when you think about how you're going to be able to 194 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,480 replace this stuff in a managed league, when you're able to 195 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,280 actually see what happens with Nick Chubb, see what happens 196 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,000 with Zeke and Dowdle and that stuff, maybe you want to take 197 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,040 shots on those types of players because you can cut them. 198 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,680 Like I would actually be more open to taking a Zeke in a in a 199 00:10:17,680 --> 00:10:19,200 managed league. Like I don't know, maybe he 200 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:20,600 looks spry in the first couple of weeks. 201 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:22,840 Probably not, but you can at least cut him if. 202 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,480 I'm less interested in taking Zeke 'cause I 'cause I'm just 203 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,320 like, I don't know, he's gonna catch like 6 passes one week and 204 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,120 it'll hit my line up and I don't have to think about it. 205 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,240 But. To Ben's point, if you got the 206 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,920 Zeke on the paths down the stretch last year to open up the 207 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:39,800 season on a really true zero RB squad for you would just be 208 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,080 doing. What if he hits A20 touch 209 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:44,800 outcome this year? There's there's scenarios where 210 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:48,120 it's him or Dowdell is like a 20 touch back or at. 211 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,920 Least see, I'm, I'm way well, I'm already very interested in 212 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,760 Dowdell, but like, so what's interesting is Zeke on this in 213 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,840 this ADP, he's at 10-9, which is a little bit above Dowdell's at 214 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:02,040 12 three, which I think is pretty close, or at least that's 215 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,680 kind of like where I take it. So maybe it's a little ahead, 216 00:11:04,680 --> 00:11:08,640 but but you're getting, I think you get the, sometimes the 217 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:13,640 upside doesn't get priced up as much as the projected touches. 218 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,120 And so which I love because then you can, you can take bigger 219 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,880 cracks on the upside, which is what you want. 220 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,760 So the thing you want more in the format is sometimes cheaper 221 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:26,760 than the thing you don't. Like Zeke was a really bad 222 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:28,320 point. The point was the backfields 223 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,920 that don't have any running backs that are going high and 224 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:32,600 that are going to have points in the backfield. 225 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,600 The the running back scoring pie for Dallas is going to be large. 226 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:36,720 It's. Going to be large, Yeah, I 227 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:37,720 agree. And we don't know. 228 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:39,800 I mean, it might not be the highest in the in the overall 229 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:41,120 league. I think the Broncos might be up 230 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,040 there, the Browns and the Chargers might be up there. 231 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:45,720 So those are better examples. Commodified is a better example 232 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,160 for this point. Like if you hit on that he. 233 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:49,920 Could be the starter, yeah, he could be the star. 234 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,320 You know, really good one. Yeah, and if he's Rashad Penny, 235 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:53,960 he's gone. So. 236 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:59,600 We we know this from years of doing the so like Fidel, right 237 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,080 Fidel goes in the one 50s on underdog. 238 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:07,680 He's at 139 here JK Dobbins goes one pick behind him. 239 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,360 He goes very you know, I think he's in like one 70s on 240 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:11,560 underdog. So let. 241 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:13,520 Me pull this up, yeah. Yeah. 242 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:15,720 I had the grid from rotavist here. 243 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,520 One thing we know from doing these drafts over the years is 244 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:22,920 that they're more running back heavy in terms of when the 245 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,840 running backs go early, but they're also more running back 246 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,480 heavy in terms of how many running backs people take. 247 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:33,040 So you can't just like sit back in the pocket and wait for 248 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:37,640 running backs to be there for you in round 891011 and 12. 249 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,600 Like if you just want to like hit running back real hard in 250 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,880 that pocket, they will be there for you in eight and nine and 251 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,200 maybe 10. And then it's like potentially 252 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,280 over or you're already moving to like a different type of bet. 253 00:12:50,680 --> 00:12:54,600 When you look at this visual, the sixth round, Aaron Jones, 254 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,240 Amir White and James Conner are all going ahead of Keenan Allen. 255 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:03,480 Like that's very different. The the other thing going back 256 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:10,320 to Ben's point about like small wins is so small wins are are 257 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,320 the opposite outcome for players who are either small wins or 258 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,560 small losses. And small losses in redraft 259 00:13:16,560 --> 00:13:19,760 often fall into the bucket of roster cloggers or paths. 260 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,720 Call them the silent killer. That's actually the most 261 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:27,120 terrifying thing, and it's why like zero RB and redraft, it's 262 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:30,080 kind of nice because a lot of times your team is so starved 263 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:34,320 for production that a small loss can still serve its utility for 264 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,680 you at running back where you're like, I'll take those 7 1/2 265 00:13:36,680 --> 00:13:39,760 points from Naheem Heinz on this team where I'm loaded everywhere 266 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:41,840 else. But if you have that balance 267 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,960 roster with a bunch of small wins, small losses like they're 268 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:48,440 not good enough to start, but they're not bad enough to cut. 269 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,640 And then you're just in this like paralyzed like cycle of not 270 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:54,720 being able to chase the good stuff on the waiver wire because 271 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:58,160 you know you have 0 certainties at any positions in your roster. 272 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:04,080 And I, I think that's also an argument for someone in the chat 273 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,520 mentioned elite onesies is another part of this of the like 274 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,440 dead zone conversation in managed. 275 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:14,320 It's, it's harder to replace elite onesies that hit. 276 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:16,720 And you know, like, I understand the best ball argument of like, 277 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:20,080 oh, I can take 3 quarterbacks and I can all the spike weeks 278 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:23,680 hit my lineup and I can create a facsimile of, of an elite 279 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:26,280 quarterbacks production. Or if I, if I really get lucky 280 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:28,920 and, and you know, people think you can do that at tight end as 281 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:30,040 well. I think it's harder at tight end 282 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:34,920 personally, but the fact that you can just plug in Jalen Hurts 283 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,920 every single game is matters more in, in managed and, and 284 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,240 certainly I think the it's true for the elite tight ends as 285 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:42,760 well. And so then you get back to 286 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:44,880 thinking about like, well, what can I do through the 1st 7 287 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,560 rounds of a draft? Like if I'm taking a detour, I 288 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,680 mean, I'm I'm still willing to take the elite legendary upside 289 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,440 type running backs in the first two rounds, right, But you. 290 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:55,720 Got to pay up one Yashan's going one O 3. 291 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:01,720 It's crazy, but if I'm if I'm taking a detour in 345, like 292 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,280 it's not going to be Rashad White in round four guys like I 293 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,680 just I can't, I mean, if if it's not a receiver because I hate 294 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,080 the pocket, I'm not taking Rashad White over Stefan Diggs, 295 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:11,400 which we're looking at here, but if I'm. 296 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,280 If I'm if. I'm not taking a receiver for 297 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,080 whatever reason. Then I'd rather the detour was 298 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,320 Josh Allen, QB won or you know, if it's a little bit earlier, 299 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,320 one of those tight ends or you know, George Kittle or or 300 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:24,720 whatever, if you're in the fourth round. 301 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,640 But like once you get 456 like I don't know how you can ever 302 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:31,000 justify those running back pits. And and that's why I like 303 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,200 looking at this board here, audio listeners, apologies, but 304 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,960 on the on the video, we have the draft grid. 305 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:41,080 This is all it's pulling in main event and football guys drafts 306 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:42,920 ADP. So a good kind of representation 307 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,600 of the landscape. To me, it makes rounds two and 308 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:50,160 three kind of the sweet spot to get one of your detours. 309 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,760 Obviously you got the elite tight ends all going here. 310 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:58,840 You also have backs like JT, Kyren, 8 Chan, all include Gibbs 311 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:00,720 there since he's at the 1-2 turn. 312 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,240 And then you look at the round four wide receivers. 313 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,000 Those are all the round three wide receivers on underdog Debo, 314 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,240 neighbors, Metcalf, Devante, DJ. So it's like. 315 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:12,560 Debo is like a round two. Like, he's like the one, he's 316 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:13,880 the 208, right? Like. 317 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:19,080 So to me it is like knowing how that stuff works, like I, I 318 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:22,320 think I'm probably going to end up wanting one of the tight ends 319 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,480 or an elite running back out of round two or three in in most of 320 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:27,520 these drafts. I hear what you're saying, but 321 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:32,120 at the same time you're able to get, you know, a bunch of 322 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:35,400 receivers. You know, like there's no way on 323 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:39,960 underdog that you could get Justin Jefferson, Marvin 324 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:43,680 Harrison in like Jalen Waddle or something like that, right? 325 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:48,480 Or, you know, that you could get Jamar Chase, Crystal Lavey and 326 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,120 Nico Collins. True. 327 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:54,280 Like, that's pretty exciting. But then do the that is 328 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,360 exciting. But then do the 2V twos with 329 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,000 like, because round eight, you're going to want to take JSN 330 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:00,840 and and and Xavier Worthy, right? 331 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:04,200 Round seven you're going to want to take Jaden Reed round, you 332 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:05,480 know, round nine you're getting Roma. 333 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:09,760 Two, but I think round seven, Jaden Reed versus round three, 334 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:11,240 Jaylen Waddle. I want round 3. 335 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,240 Jaylen Waddle. Yeah, well, but think, think, 336 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,920 think about how we've been talking about round two and 337 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,480 three wide receivers where it's like, order them however you 338 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:20,960 want. You can make a case for Marvin 339 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:22,119 Harrison there. You can make a case for 340 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:24,520 neighbors there, blah, blah. And then it's like, OK, am I 341 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:26,599 gonna take Marvin Harrison off the board here? 342 00:17:26,599 --> 00:17:28,480 I'm gonna, am I gonna grab McBride? 343 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:33,120 Well, Kincaid. Yeah, Kelsey McBride, that's the 344 00:17:33,120 --> 00:17:38,160 tight end I think is pretty enticing here where FFPC, we 345 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:42,280 don't normally just see no tight ends in the first round and then 346 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:44,720 kind of like, Oh yeah, I guess we'll grab a few in the second 347 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,160 round. Like the tight end detour is is 348 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,760 pretty exciting to me in the second round I do agree with. 349 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:53,400 That I, I, I like your point. I think every path in the first 350 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,280 couple rounds seems appealing because it, it does seem 351 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,160 appealing to get an anchor running back when you're like, I 352 00:17:58,160 --> 00:17:59,760 definitely don't want to be taking him to dead zone. 353 00:18:00,120 --> 00:18:02,680 Obviously the elite tight end is appealing and I think that the 354 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:04,920 the receiver point you just made is very appealing. 355 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,680 The question for me is then what do you want to be doing from 4 356 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:09,320 through 9? And like, to me, it's just like, 357 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,120 I don't want to don't be doing anything but drafting those 358 00:18:11,120 --> 00:18:13,120 receivers. Like if my question is Rashad 359 00:18:13,120 --> 00:18:16,920 White versus DJ Moore, Stefan Diggs, if it's Zamir White 360 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,600 versus Keenan Allen, if it's, you know, Taija Spears versus 361 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,480 Xavier Worthy at that point, like I want to have we get the 362 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,800 rookies at the old rookie prices like the Justin Jefferson rookie 363 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:28,880 year, Garrett Wilson rookie. Year stuff. 364 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,080 I mean one of the things that I think. 365 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,920 Rome's in round nine like Rome's in. 9/1 of the things. 366 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,400 That pick in round nine, we did. We did this before. 367 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:40,640 One of the things I think is happening this year is there's a 368 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,400 lot of people emphasizing that the dead zone hit last year and 369 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:45,920 they just think the dead zone doesn't exist anymore and 370 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:49,640 they're not paying attention to the years of data prior that 371 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:53,320 show why the dead zone existed. And, and, and my main response 372 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,520 to that, because I've gotten these comments on Twitter, my 373 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:57,240 main response is like, well, I mean, I don't know what to tell 374 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,520 you other than I was saying that we should be drafting running 375 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:01,120 backs in the dead zone. Last year we were saying on the 376 00:19:01,120 --> 00:19:02,120 show, we did it on all our bills. 377 00:19:02,120 --> 00:19:03,760 It was really effective last year. 378 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,760 And it's because of the profiles that were in the dead zone, the 379 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,200 hits out of the dead zone historically from back when I 380 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,320 did that research initially are rookie second year players that 381 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,800 the market doesn't understand like what they are yet from a 382 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:18,080 longer view profile perspective. We're guys like Pollard who are 383 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,000 who are flashing a high end talent but they're in split back 384 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,080 fields. Right, He can be, but like it's 385 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,360 guys that will be first rounders the next year. 386 00:19:25,360 --> 00:19:28,760 Breece Hall and Jameer Gibbs were unique dead zone options 387 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,080 last year. Travis Etienne fit that as well. 388 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,800 He's still, you know, like he's somewhere in between now. 389 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:37,120 Anybody hit in a pretty big way? And there were other names there 390 00:19:37,120 --> 00:19:39,280 too, Javonte, James Cook, etcetera, that didn't 391 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:42,960 necessarily hit in the same way. That group that we had last year 392 00:19:43,120 --> 00:19:45,920 was unique. That's not what the profiles in 393 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:47,960 the dead zone this year are. I just want to emphasize that 394 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,640 just because the data says that round 45 running backs hit last 395 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:54,360 year doesn't change change the fact that we have a lot of dead 396 00:19:54,360 --> 00:19:57,440 zone information from prior years and that last year's 397 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:59,400 profiles in the dead zone were very unique. 398 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,080 They're not unique like that this year. 399 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:02,960 It's very different. The other. 400 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,920 Check goes a little bit. I'm torn up a check because he's 401 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:07,840 on such a good offense and he has no competition. 402 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,560 He is dead Zony in certain ways, but what's your thought? 403 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,960 I think he's I. Think he's actually pretty dead 404 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,800 Zony because it truly is. Rookies are second year guys and 405 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,680 if we the idea is we don't know how good the player is yet. 406 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,440 We've got two year sample from Pacheco and I think the market 407 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,360 knows how good he is and the market saying the situation's 408 00:20:25,360 --> 00:20:28,000 fantastic and we're going to draft him high because of 409 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,520 guaranteed volume and no backup and all these things. 410 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,280 But we don't trust him enough to push him into the 2nd or the 411 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,280 1st. That's when you get the market 412 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,400 telling you that we actually think this player adds 413 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,040 efficiency to a situation and he's a superstar. 414 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,600 The market is telling you when they leave him in, in round 415 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:44,800 three and this and in round four and five and the other stuff, 416 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,880 they don't think he adds to his situation and we have a big 417 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,480 enough sample after two years. He would surprise me. 418 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:52,800 He could be like the Josh Jacobs where the efficiency takes 419 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,560 another step up. But his efficiency has been good 420 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:58,040 by the way as well. But I think that's largely 421 00:20:58,040 --> 00:20:59,720 because of how. It's been good, not amazing. 422 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,760 Yeah, yeah. The thing I would say too, and I 423 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,040 I agree, you can certainly make the case for just hammering wide 424 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,320 receiver, but like I know kind of the path that puts us down 425 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,480 and it's a fun path. It involves a ton of Brock 426 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,880 Bowers, it involves a ton of Jane Daniels. 427 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:17,440 It involves a ton of 0 RB teams. But I do who want to have like 428 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,840 some of those two V twos, like looking at this board here, 429 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,320 like, yes, can you have Nico Collins and Brock Bowers? 430 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:23,520 Like, yeah, that sounds very fun. 431 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,880 But I also want to have a Mark Andrews, Keenan Allen, you know, 432 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:30,480 like I want to flip those in in play some of those pockets. 433 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,120 And it's just like after round two and three and we we're going 434 00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:35,160 to want to have some George Kittle too, like this price 435 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,000 looks exploitable here in the fifth round relative to some of 436 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,000 these other guys. I mean going well after Evan 437 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:41,920 Ingram. So I think we just want to play 438 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,520 around with it a bit because there's so many fun ways to 439 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,120 attack. This The chat's asking what 440 00:21:46,120 --> 00:21:47,600 board is this? I guess I'm not entirely sure. 441 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,200 I know it's FFPC. Is it the fantasy pros or the 442 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,520 early main events? I have it on fantasy pros and 443 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,040 main event for this is on Rotaviz. 444 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,400 They have a draft grid here and just an easy way to kind of 445 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,000 display this. So this is manage leagues on 446 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:05,560 FFPC 2 running back, 2 receiver, two flex, tight end, premium and 447 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:06,600 the running backs are getting pushed up. 448 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,080 Even with the premium tight ends. 449 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:09,920 The running backs are getting pushed up because the tight ends 450 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:11,720 are getting pushed up too. I mean, Jake Ferguson's a fifth 451 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:18,560 round pick in this format, yeah. The I mean, so the running 452 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,680 backs, you know, obviously I like Jalen Warren a lot. 453 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,640 Jonathan Brooks I like a lot. They're not that much more 454 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,320 expensive than they are on underdog. 455 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,880 Whereas a lot of the guy, you know, a lot of the pocket there 456 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:36,280 is priced up significantly. Like Samir White is in the 6th, 457 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,000 James Conner in the 6th, Aaron Jones in the 6th through Madre 458 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:44,720 Stevenson starts the 6th. So we said Camaros in the 5th, 459 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,680 but like there are a few running backs in that kind of sweet spot 460 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:53,480 here that I, that I think are very strong targets. 461 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:58,440 Javonte's still going pretty late in the 9th. 462 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,640 That's that's pretty nice. So I think you probably do want 463 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,680 to hit running back a couple times. 464 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,000 You want to be more selective, but hit it a couple times. 465 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,360 I still like Brian Robinson in the in the 8th, 9th, you know, 466 00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:13,640 in this format. I actually think there's more 467 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:15,200 upside there. Anytime you can take Brian 468 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,800 Robinson over the guy who one pick ahead of the guy who broke 469 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,280 the combine 40 record and plays with Patrick Mahomes and they 470 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,080 traded up in the first round to draft him, I mean, I well. 471 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,720 That's that's not, that's not something I would argue for, but 472 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,880 but I do, I do think like there's there's some guys here 473 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,760 with profiles that I'm like, this feels pretty good for the 474 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,640 price. But yeah, it's just going to be 475 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,400 like the opportunity cost at wide receiver just is going to 476 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:44,400 feel harder, you know, more more costly in like every round is 477 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,240 really because they're just not priced up as high. 478 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,280 Yeah, yeah. And I think and that's what 479 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:52,440 that's what's going to be really hard. 480 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:57,120 Like like round eight does seem like really hard. 481 00:23:57,120 --> 00:24:00,000 I mean, this is such a sick spot for these running backs. 482 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,520 You got Jalen Warren, Zach Moss, Tony Pollard, Tajae Spears, 483 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,920 Brian Robinson. You have Xavier Worthy, JSN, 484 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,400 Jordan Addison and then you do I we probably will not necessarily 485 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,800 being on the tight ends in this range, but that is like you're 486 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,280 going to feel the push pull of like, man, I really like these 487 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,200 wide receivers. Same with the 9th Rome, Brian 488 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,720 Thomas, but then you're looking at Trey Benson, Blake Corum, 489 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,000 Javonte. Like I, I feel like those are 490 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,080 going to be the ones that put us in a blender where you're like, 491 00:24:24,120 --> 00:24:25,920 I wish we had three picks in this well. 492 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,840 You know, I have thought about this on underdog where I'm 493 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,640 drafting a lot of teams that and and Jacob Sanderson had a really 494 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,400 good article a couple days ago where he was kind of making the 495 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,960 devil's advocate case that maybe we are overvaluing wide 496 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,360 receiver, even though he doesn't really fully believe that. 497 00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:43,240 But like what if we are? How should we play it? 498 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,040 And kind of making the case for like more builds. 499 00:24:46,120 --> 00:24:49,880 At least the way I my take away from it was like, I've probably 500 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:54,040 not doing enough builds that are like just kind of classic 0 501 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:58,920 running back builds, but where I just like hit running back as 502 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,960 hard as I would have as I didn't love the profiles and play to 503 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,280 have running back more in the flex. 504 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,880 So, you know, I've got like 5 running backs frowned like, you 505 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:15,960 know, 7 to 11 or whatever. And that though, that idea has 506 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,200 made me feel like, God, I end up, if I do that, I end up with 507 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,440 a lot of profiles that aren't kind of traditional 0 running 508 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,040 back profiles. They're very like touch based 509 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,480 profiles, almost dead zone. They're, they're dead zone, 510 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,480 they're cheap. They're, they're cheap dead zone 511 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,400 backs. It wouldn't wouldn't it be more 512 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,680 fun just because the way I like to do things, wouldn't it 513 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,680 wouldn't I have more fun going like with some of these more 514 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:45,880 chaotic, you know, anti fragile running back profiles, and maybe 515 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,160 this is how we how we do that. We're like, what if we go like 516 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:53,680 true 0 running back here with like a Chardonnay, You know, 517 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,760 honestly, I'm back in on Zeke is your Zeke point. 518 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,680 Now I'm in. You can you can you could get 519 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:00,440 it. I was never in. 520 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:05,400 I was saying even. Yeah, I was never in. 521 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,040 I want to be clear. Ty Chandler, Rico Dowdle, 522 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,920 Marshawn Lloyd. Right Like these? 523 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,560 These are the profiles that 0 running back was sort of built 524 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,880 on Videl. Stand alone and some upside is 525 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,760 kind of what you're. Yeah, yeah, these profiles are 526 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,440 still pretty cheap. Like you could start in round 10 527 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,720 and tack on probably three of them through like round round 528 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,880 12, you know? I've I've not been big on Julian 529 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,880 Mclaughlin's ability to actually get a large workload, but he to 530 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,520 me, he's going to have some standalone value. 531 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:38,520 Yeah, I agree. I like. 532 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:42,000 McLaughlin, yeah, he's the back in the day like Pete just 533 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,840 mentioned that he minds a little bit back in the day we do those 534 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,040 receiving backs, they don't really exist as much anymore. 535 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,080 But he's that kind of profile where I don't think there's the 536 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,680 the huge ceiling. I do think he's startable to get 537 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,320 you to the anti fragile bets. Right, right. 538 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:59,640 Yeah, yeah. So I mean, like, I actually, as 539 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,640 much as I like the, you know, the couple guys in that range, 540 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,600 especially like Warren and Brooks, to me would be like guys 541 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,680 I actually would be willing to take over some of the wide 542 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,400 receiver upside. I'm not. 543 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,240 I promise you now, I will not try to get us to take Brian 544 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,040 Robinson over Xavier Worthy. I'm not going to do it. 545 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:20,280 Don't worry. Like I'm much more interested in 546 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,160 saying let's take Xavier Worthy as like our wide receiver seven. 547 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:26,800 Yeah. And I, I usually don't like 548 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,280 going as as wide receiver deep, but I like this point. 549 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,240 And then Pete's point about not liking the OR being in a bind in 550 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,120 round eight, but also not liking the tight ends. 551 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,080 I, it made me even want to do the elite tight end idea even 552 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,360 more because I was like, yeah, I mean, I definitely want to be 553 00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:43,080 taking a running back or receiver in that range. 554 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:47,440 Visa V not Visa V versus one of these tight ends or like, 555 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,960 especially, you know, the Ferguson or like in Joku prices 556 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,600 in round six. Like I don't want to be making 557 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,720 that tight end pick or feeling like we have to because we don't 558 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,000 have a tight end yet. But that was the reminder when 559 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,320 you said that, Pete, that we always talk about that. 560 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,800 It's not just an FFPC. The elites are pushed up. 561 00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:06,440 It's also that like round 10 tight ends are, are, are way 562 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,760 costlier. Everything is costlier at tight 563 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,600 end and we still are seeing a thing here where there's not 564 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,680 even a first round tight end. And I would argue these are 565 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,360 first round tight end premium profiles. 566 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,120 But again, because there's seven of them, you get him in the 567 00:28:18,120 --> 00:28:20,600 second and third. Like we used to think it was so 568 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,600 cheap to get like Pitts or Mark Andrews at the 2-3 turn when 569 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,240 they were like the tight end two, tight end three those 570 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:27,960 years. But because there's seven of 571 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,160 them, like Kyle Pitts is going at the end of the third round of 572 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,280 this, like that is appealing to me. 573 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:32,800 Like I. Want to? 574 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:33,840 That's very. Appealing. 575 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,200 I want to build that. One and looking at this like I 576 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,080 think my dream start, if I could draw it up, Give me the two hole 577 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,840 here, give me CD Lamb, give me one of these tight ends, Andrews 578 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,560 or Kincaid. Give me a Chan in the early 3rd. 579 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,400 I'll come back and I'll grab flowers. 580 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,200 I'll come back and I'll grab T Higgins. 581 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,640 I will come back and I'll grab Jane Reed. 582 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,160 I'll grab Rashi Rice. I'll grab Xavier Worthy. 583 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:56,760 I'll grab Brian Thomas or Roma Doonsay. 584 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,720 See, I think I throw in Richardson there. 585 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,440 Richardson's just available in the late 6th. 586 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,320 I think that's I would grab him like over at Jayden Reed and 587 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,320 then push because we know we're getting like worthy in Rome, 588 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,280 like. Yeah. 589 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,240 Yeah, those guys over read, you know we're. 590 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,080 Gonna yeah, the other thing. Then you start to kind of go 591 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,360 with the stacking stuff of like, oh maybe you could also take DAC 592 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,200 in the ninth, maybe the. Actuals. 593 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,360 To the 10th he can get Jane Daniels but I just like looking 594 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:27,440 at these running backs like the HN seems like the the best price 595 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,600 to me. Best price, yeah, 'cause he's 596 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:34,720 he's cheaper than on 100 dog. I mean, Sanderson's he's. 597 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,200 The last one worth drafting. Yeah, yeah. 598 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,200 I mean his obviously he's, he's great in all formats. 599 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,480 Like he's, I guess, you know, going to be a little bit more 600 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,440 volatile, but like, you know, and so therefore better in 601 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,000 baseball. Like he will be more volatile 602 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,760 and I guess than better in baseball, but like he's going to 603 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,560 be his ceiling is so high that you just lock him in you you put 604 00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:58,640 him in it's. A certain thing on the 605 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,600 volatility when it's a player that you're just going to start 606 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:01,800 every week anyway, doesn't matter. 607 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,640 It actually it's better in baseball, but he's still going 608 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,160 to hit your line up. It's not like he's going to miss 609 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,240 your line up and managed. Right, right, right. 610 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,680 Yeah, like you're the amount of points you're leaving on the 611 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,200 table, like isn't that many probably, right? 612 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,560 Yeah. Especially relative to what 613 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,880 other people are doing, you know, like what? 614 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,160 It's not like you're going against best ball rosters. 615 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,000 I like that note, Pete. I, I and you guys have advocated 616 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,880 for this on FFPC since, you know, I first joined you guys 617 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,800 back in. I mean, I started doing this 618 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,360 stuff in late 2020. So we were doing the 2021 draft 619 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,680 season about the idea of getting an anchor running back and an 620 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,120 early tight end in the first like 3 rounds and then kind of 621 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:37,600 hammering receiver in the dead zone. 622 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,400 It feels like getting back to that structure this year as 623 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,760 well, whether it's a Chan or it's. 624 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,880 Making me so happy, like I'm just going back to stuff. 625 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,200 We can. We can just hammer wide receiver 626 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,480 again, yeah. Like if you get in a room where 627 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,640 Chaser, Aminar, Jefferson end up going a little higher, Bijan 628 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,520 falls to one O 6, one O 7. Like, I want to kind of jump on 629 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,280 that, yeah. And then hit on like McBride in 630 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,800 the second round and then just go, all right, I'm going to, I'm 631 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,440 going to piss yellow now for 6-7 rounds like that sounds awesome. 632 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,120 Like I love that. And then you can still keep 633 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,520 yourself open to like, oh, Jonathan Brooks slides 3 picks 634 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,680 or 4 picks pass. Like you know what, we still, 635 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,080 you know, there's some wide receivers we like OK, we let's 636 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,120 do A2V2 because if you do just rip the nine straight or 637 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,480 whatever, then it's like you can't really take Jalen Polk. 638 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,880 I mean, you can, but you're going to need running backs. 639 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,080 Here. But I'm saying I would want to 640 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,360 play some of those two V twos of like, no, let's also grab 641 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,480 Jonathan Brooks here because we know that we can arbitrage some 642 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,520 of this with a Pulk pick later. There's some running back 643 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,280 profiles that are worth taking I think. 644 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,120 Another one I'd be more interested in is another guy 645 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:44,960 who's played two years. And the reason I think of it a 646 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,360 little different than Pacheco, it's Kenneth Walker, is that I 647 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,200 think he's held back by committee talk, whereas 648 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,200 Pacheco's price is clearly not held back by any other teammate, 649 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:56,920 you know what I mean? So they're like the fact that 650 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,000 the market is capped on how high they're willing to push him and 651 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,360 they don't see him as a first or second rounder speaks to his 652 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,400 profile. Walker I think it speaks more to 653 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,480 workload, which is traditionally been one of those. 654 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,920 Yeah, although he his efficiency was straight up bad last year. 655 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,000 Yeah, it's really boom bust. I mean, I think he he still hits 656 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,640 for big runs if you look at it that way. 657 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,960 He does, but his his success rate's been bad for two straight 658 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,040 years. Success rate, yeah. 659 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,800 His rush of respect, it was negative I believe last year. 660 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,760 But just in terms of of hitting on something that can be 661 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,040 explosive efficiency wise, he. He can definitely hit long runs. 662 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:28,400 Yeah, there's no doubt there's the. 663 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,040 Potential for that. But yeah, Brooks is the is the 664 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,640 other better example, I think in that in that range. 665 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,320 But I'm totally open to to detouring for running backs that 666 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,560 have like real ceiling, right? Like real scoring ceiling. 667 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,920 And I love that like, you know, OK, like Zamir White is someone 668 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,760 I've been taking actually like way more than I thought I would, 669 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,960 you know, because he's like kind of a clap like thin resume, not 670 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,040 that great of a prospect on a bad team, Two down profile. 671 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,960 Like I'm not taking that guy, but he's like available around 672 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:03,280 pick 90 half the time. So I'm like, yeah, actually is 673 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,480 my like running back two or running back one? 674 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,120 Cool. But it's ultimately if he just 675 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:13,120 plays the 17 games and doesn't lose the work on a skill based 676 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,120 and he stays healthy, like if he actually just plays like he's a 677 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:17,680 hit there, he doesn't have to be good. 678 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,480 Yeah. He can just so I love, love, 679 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,640 love that. Like, no, he's in the sixth 680 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,120 round. Like you got to pay for it. 681 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:26,400 I I don't want to pay for it at all. 682 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,800 There's no way we're. So, but I love that, you know, 683 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:34,120 other people are having to pay for that production that that, 684 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,600 you know, that volume. It's just nice. 685 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,720 It's just nice. It's, it makes it so much, you 686 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,400 know, more difficult to be like this profile that I'm used to 687 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,840 fading. You're actually, you know, in 688 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:48,280 baseball because of the way the the format works, it's a more 689 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:49,880 difficult profile to fade period. 690 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,160 And then it's so cheap that it's actually like, I think this is a 691 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,400 target now. So back to here. 692 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,000 Yeah, I've no interest in in profiles like White, but I like 693 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,560 that our opponents are gonna have to pay up for it. 694 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,800 What do you guys think of this question as far as the best ball 695 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,440 to manage shift? Lawrence says how how do 696 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,120 discounted guys like Rashi and Addison need to be valued or how 697 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,320 much do they need to be discounted with the uncertainty 698 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,679 and the 12 week regular season, which again, is a big difference 699 00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:15,840 here. And we've talked about fast 700 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,960 starts a lot. And if you're a little too cute 701 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,760 with, you know, building late season monsters, you might not 702 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,760 get those teams to the dance. That's a great point, but also 703 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,239 like you also have to keep in mind that when you get the team 704 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,560 to the dance, it's a very top heavy structure. 705 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,320 It's not much different than everything we talk about in in 706 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,480 best ball. So but now the difference is if 707 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,239 you win your league, you get a nice little payout like you want 708 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,239 to do well in the regular season. 709 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,080 That's going to be the a big way that you can turn a 710 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,679 profitability in these leagues. To me, it's totally dependent on 711 00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:47,400 the the texture of your for those are those are receivers. 712 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,199 It's totally depend on the texture of your build so far and 713 00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:50,360 the texture of your receiver room. 714 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:51,440 Like if you. Feel How many rookies have you 715 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,040 taken? You know, if you feel that 716 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,920 you're not back weighted very much, then I think you need then 717 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,040 you you're going after back weighted production with Rashid 718 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:00,320 Rice. I think Rashid Rice is a really 719 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,960 compelling pick in this format, as long as it's not hurting you 720 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,200 too much for the reasons that Lawrence. 721 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:09,800 Alluded to people also do think about that, that regular season, 722 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,000 that short regular season, a lot like you'll you'll hear about 723 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,080 you know that you know, it's a it's a reason that people are 724 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:22,120 actually falling in drafts. So you know, and Rice here is 725 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,840 going in the 7th. He's making an an attack on the 726 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:27,480 the fifth round right now on underdogs. 727 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,680 So you know you are getting. No, may not get. 728 00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:33,320 Suspended. There's still like some 729 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,560 possibility that he might not get suspended, in which case 730 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,280 he's a fucking smash in the seventh round. 731 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:38,200 Absolute. Smash. 732 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,520 I and I do think that's a huge, there is a big difference in 733 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,520 knowing, you know, what was it the year DeAndre Hopkins was 734 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,440 suspended the first six games, like knowing that concretely 735 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,960 versus like you could be free rolling a non suspension that is 736 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,240 that is very different. Yeah, yeah. 737 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,520 And ATP is really. In those ways, but like it's 738 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,360 important to think about non injury related, non teammate 739 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:03,240 related, non football related risk in probabilistic range of 740 00:36:03,240 --> 00:36:07,200 outcomes ways like there's upside here in the uncertainty. 741 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:15,360 Yeah, and you know on the FFPCAD PS: will change dramatically and 742 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,120 people just don't care about ADP like they do one underdog. 743 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:24,120 So if Rice, you know if we get something like he is suspension 744 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:29,160 is very likely pushed to 2025, then he'll just like the next 745 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,120 day go in the third round. Right, you'll never get him in 746 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:33,800 the 7th. Round yeah it's not like he'll 747 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,680 creep up like he'll just go where like he's supposed to go 748 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:41,000 like immediately like that's just the way it tends to work 749 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,200 especially like you know if we were to get that news you know 750 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,000 in main event season in like in Vegas people just do whatever 751 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:51,960 they want there's no like using the ADP is like oh this is 6 752 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,760 spots ahead should I no it doesn't really work like that 753 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,360 they don't give. A to your point, like after the 754 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,560 Thursday Night Football game is played like any player in 755 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,920 Thursday Night Football is going to move six rounds One Direction 756 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,520 or the other. Yes, yes, that's one week in 757 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,120 week one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 758 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:10,560 Pete, can you go up? Can you pull? 759 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,520 Up this Mike Robb comment and can we? 760 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:17,480 What is this? Mike Rob says Pat, I heard a 761 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,200 rumor that last time you saw Liam, you gave him the two small 762 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:24,000 hand gesture and Mao two small son to him as your security open 763 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:29,040 the door to your personal SUV. I I mean, if that's just 764 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:30,400 made-up, that's a. Fantastic. 765 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:31,920 That's just completely made-up, Yeah. 766 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,600 If it said Tesla then we would have been on to something. 767 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,000 Jeez. Great fan fiction I. 768 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,320 Like it? I mean, it's very funny, but 769 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:48,760 complete, complete fiction. While I while I think of it, we 770 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,880 will We'll have some more announcements soon about our 771 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:56,840 streaming schedule for August. That'll include flipping back to 772 00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,360 some evening night streams for drafts. 773 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,600 I I don't even know if we've like publicly announced that we 774 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:07,200 will be in Vegas for those drafts at the beginning of the 775 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,560 season. We're still figuring out kind of 776 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,320 what we're going to do for ship chasing meet up. 777 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,120 We do have the back-to-back games, the Thursday night game 778 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,680 and now the Friday night game. We'll have some more details 779 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,400 about that. We'll also have details for the 780 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,000 ship chaser VIPs. We'll have some Co manager 781 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,920 opportunities. Again, we'll be circulating a 782 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,480 form to gauge interest for that. But yeah, just some things to 783 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,960 put on your radar. We're getting our ducks in a row 784 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:36,320 for for all of that coming up. Yeah, it's very exciting. 785 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:37,920 I'm I'm psyched to get out to Vegas. 786 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,480 Are you gonna drive? Or just fly the personal plate, 787 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,680 so the private the private plate. 788 00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:49,920 Last year I did take, now it's, it's a commercial thing that, 789 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,880 you know, comes out of the, the San Diego airport. 790 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,840 But I did and I didn't know I was, I didn't know I was doing 791 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,000 this because I've booked it through, you know, the chase 792 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:02,800 portal with like points and there was only one direct flight 793 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:07,680 available and it was JetBlue. So I booked it and it was more 794 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,920 expensive than usual, but I booked it kind of late. 795 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,520 So I was like, you know, this is what I get, You know, I waited 796 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,280 too long. It turns out, no, it was 797 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:19,720 actually, I think JSX is the line, but it's like a, it's a 798 00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:21,080 private plane. Oh God. 799 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,880 Wow how rich he's accidentally booking. 800 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,920 Private is a little more expensive. 801 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:29,120 Actually. Private. 802 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,640 Private flights. There was like, there was like 803 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,440 20 people on it, you know, It wasn't like. 804 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,680 You know. But it wasn't all rows of seats, 805 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,120 it was like there was like a different setup I'm assuming. 806 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,800 No, it was basically just a small plane. 807 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,280 It wasn't like. Yeah, it was like there weren't 808 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:46,800 leather seats. I'd like to. 809 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,040 What I was gonna say is there's there's two types of basketball 810 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,600 touts. The one that buys the wrong 811 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,520 flight to the wrong city on their way to Vegas, and the one 812 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,240 that buys the the the the personal. 813 00:39:58,320 --> 00:39:59,480 Yeah, that's true. Those are. 814 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,800 The two types. The big thing is that you don't 815 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,920 go, you just show up at like a, it's the plane of the plane, 816 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:06,200 private plane. That's so cool. 817 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,200 No, it's like, it's basically like it's closer to a puddle 818 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:13,280 jumper than like a cool plane. But you don't go through 819 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:14,880 security. You just show up at the hangar 820 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,000 and they're like, all right, cool. 821 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,400 That's that. I did enjoy quite a bit. 822 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:20,960 It is good. Yeah, do. 823 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:22,440 They search you at all or anything. 824 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,160 No, no, no. You just get on the plane. 825 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:25,960 Just whatever you want to bring on the plane you. 826 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,080 Can it's like 1960 bro they they come with like with a with 827 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,160 drinks and stuff on the plane. It's just literally. 828 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:36,760 Had like a six foot bong like on his shoulder like a log as he 829 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,640 walks. I I stopped I, you know, like 830 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,000 because you walk up, there's no like tunnel little thing you go 831 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,880 through, you walk up the stairs to the plane like on the on the 832 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,840 asphalt. And so right at the top of the 833 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,120 stairs, I just lit that bong up. This is a survey. 834 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,760 Survey the scene. Gave a wave like a president. 835 00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,240 Let the smoke suck, all right? We can take off now. 836 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,240 What do you guys think? We we haven't talked a ton about 837 00:41:05,240 --> 00:41:07,440 the quarterback prices. I know Pat just mentioned the 838 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,960 Anthony Richardson. You got Josh Allen in round 839 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,920 four. I still looking at this FFPCADP, 840 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,880 Hertz, Mahomes, Lamar in round 5A, Rich and six, Stroud and 841 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,240 seven. Then you go all the way down to 842 00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:23,400 9 where you get Burrow, Kyler, Dak, Love and then Jaden Daniels 843 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,840 in round 11. What do you guys think about the 844 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,320 QB landscape? Interesting. 845 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,480 I mean, it's definitely. I mean, I think you, you can 846 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,680 make a compelling case to to pay up and and go after something. 847 00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:37,360 I think you can make a compelling case to wait with 848 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,720 those prices for sure. Like there's some good options 849 00:41:39,720 --> 00:41:40,880 there in that 9:00 to 11:00, right? 850 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,640 That QB windows alive and well, too. 851 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,760 We've seen we've seen Mahomes pay off in a big way. 852 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:54,200 This exact ADP like two years ago we did this and he was a 853 00:41:54,200 --> 00:42:00,320 smash Hertz in the 5th. You know, Allen 4th Lamar coming 854 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,120 off an MVP season, looks like he falls to the 6th pretty 855 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,880 regularly. Richardson in the 6th 7th like 856 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,520 that's this quarterback upside does seem underpriced. 857 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,560 Then I'd probably want to. I mean, well, then the market 858 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,360 kind of kind of dictates that. Then you there's like a tier 859 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,280 basically until like the 9th ish. 860 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,080 But like, I don't know, Kyler seems pretty decently priced at 861 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:28,640 the at the 8-9 love. Yeah, Daniels in the 10th is 862 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,000 pretty nice. I mean, so you want to talk 863 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,080 about the difference between like best ball and redraft? 864 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:37,560 Like Daniels is definitely a target for me in best ball, but 865 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,000 not someone I'm like super, super excited about. 866 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:45,960 And in part it's because like this dude takes on hits and I'm 867 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,480 like, man, I really don't want, I'm drafting 2 quarterbacks 868 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,760 probably with the Daniels build, maybe three, but and A2 869 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,680 quarterback build. If Daniels is getting hurt, you 870 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,040 know, for even four or five games, that's really going to 871 00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,600 hurt. Me we also I love this point. 872 00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,600 We also don't know how much the offense is going to work like 873 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,000 towards his running. If we see him in week one run 8 874 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,200 times you're like, oh that's right. 875 00:43:07,240 --> 00:43:10,080 So. Yeah, but no, I mean, so Daniels 876 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:14,000 is like he has the profile where you very set and forget starter 877 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,840 could really pay off if he were to miss a few games. 878 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:21,640 And we like pick up off the waiver wire like you know, Drake 879 00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,440 may maybe or even like you know, you can get Deshaun Watson in 880 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,160 the 16th. You can get will you? 881 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,120 Literally think of another example of a later QB like they 882 00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,520 don't even exist. In Pat's brain, the grin in this 883 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,320 like. Drake may, maybe. 884 00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:39,680 Violent through his. Eyes, let's say his name Bonex, 885 00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:44,040 Bonex off the wave wire. It's, it's like it's very easy. 886 00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:48,360 Like why would you like? And, and this is sometimes I 887 00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,280 feel like in redraft, people are more worried about the injury 888 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,360 risk than less. But like, who cares? 889 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,520 Like if Jaden Daniels gives us 6 awesome weeks and then we ought 890 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,480 to go figure out quarterback again, like, OK, that's fine. 891 00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,280 In the 10th round, that's totally fine. 892 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,400 He's such a compelling play. The other two names I would give 893 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,840 in the in the late 12th are I think you're going to get a 894 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,120 little bit more mobility as I went through my projections out 895 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,920 of both Caleb Williams and Trevor Lawrence than people 896 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,000 realized. Trevor Lawrence has had some 897 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,520 solid rushing numbers so far. The reason he hasn't really hit 898 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,880 in fantasy is his career high passing TV's is like 25. 899 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,080 It's gross dude. If he just has, I mean, I'm 900 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,640 like, maybe he's not going to take that step forward, but he 901 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,240 has a a vertical profile to his passing. 902 00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:32,960 He's willing to take shots. Yes, 25 is his career high pass 903 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:34,640 T DS. Last year he only had 21. 904 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,200 If he just has a 30 plus pass TD season, which I'm more or less 905 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,960 projecting the markets, projecting the the Jags to be a 906 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:42,640 team that scores points like they're not. 907 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,600 It's it's an anomaly that he hasn't done it yet. 908 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,120 I think for what his profile is and how good his surrounding 909 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,440 cast is and Doug Peterson's his coach and all of that stuff, 910 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,960 he's one of my favorite QBs at QB 15. 911 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,040 I'm trying to get more of him on an underdog 2. 912 00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,000 I haven't taken enough of him, but there's a little bit more 913 00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:02,320 mobility and a little bit more I think upside to his overall 914 00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,720 profile. If the if the passing side hits 915 00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:07,320 in a way that like that's one of my concerns with Richardson that 916 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:08,160 we're going to have to talk through. 917 00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,200 Pat is like, I don't know, the passing side can hit big enough 918 00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,240 for him to to smash his ATP. I think he'll be fine. 919 00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:16,400 Like he said, obviously you can see why the profile could really 920 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,560 hit and obviously his rushing is the thing that carries him in a 921 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,120 way that not even Lawrence, but the passing side has to come 922 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,160 along too. And and for Lawrence, like it 923 00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,160 just hasn't at all yet. If he has a good pass TV season 924 00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:31,000 and we know that stuff bounces around, he's going to be a smash 925 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:32,640 in that in that range. I think that the Richardson is 926 00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,200 just it's a really well designed offense. 927 00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:38,120 I think Steiken is super sharp and AD Mitchell, like, you know, 928 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,720 reports so far have been extremely exciting. 929 00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:45,760 I don't like Pittman at his cost in basketball at all, but he can 930 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,360 play and then I think Josh Jones can play, so. 931 00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,840 You know, tricky thing for me on them on the projections was the 932 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,880 market actually has them as a pretty low scoring team overall. 933 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,520 And so even when I gave him like Russian TDs, I had to give 934 00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,160 Jonathan Taylor some rush TDs. They're not that much different 935 00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,760 than Jacksonville, to be clear, but I think Jonathan Taylor's 936 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,560 more of a threat for like rushing TDs. 937 00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:08,000 And probably TN is like you get to the overall TD profile. 938 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,600 It's like I ended up not being able to project many passing TDs 939 00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:14,360 because I was projecting them to be a team that was imbalanced 940 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,080 towards rush TDs, if that makes sense. 941 00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,600 That does make sense. And so then you need Indy to 942 00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,120 like beat market expectation as an offense and overall 943 00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,600 touchdowns, which you can get. But that's sort of where. 944 00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,160 I'm willing to bet on that with if I'm, if you're telling me I 945 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,360 need, if I'm betting on Anthony Richardson and that means I'm 946 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,440 betting on Indy to beat expectations, I'm good. 947 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:31,720 Right. Yeah, that makes sense. 948 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:36,080 Here, Here's a fun little wrinkle of the QBADP relative to 949 00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,000 the guys Gretsch just highlighted. 950 00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:39,640 Lawrence and Caleb going in the 12th. 951 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,760 Look at who the two wide receivers you'd be tempted by 952 00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,080 are in the ninth around all of those other quarterbacks. 953 00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,720 If you're like Kyler, Love, Burrow, Jane Daniels and Dak, 954 00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:51,320 you got Rome and Brian Thomas. Yeah. 955 00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,400 So if you are like, I want to, I can't pass on Rome and Brian 956 00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,000 Thomas. But guess what? 957 00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,800 Now let's just put their quarterback in. 958 00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,760 Our back pocket A. Couple rounds. 959 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,880 Later, and those are, I mean Caleb, that's a really nice 960 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,960 price on Caleb. That's a really nice price. 961 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:09,240 Yeah, so damn. Like 12th round Caleb stacked 962 00:47:09,240 --> 00:47:11,560 with Rome in the ninth. God damn. 963 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,960 Yeah, damn. The Caleb thing, I just did my 964 00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:21,320 my Chicago projection too, and it's like they have a lot of 965 00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,920 weapons, man. They have a lot of good weapons. 966 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,600 I'm just like all of my target projections for everyone on that 967 00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,680 offense are lower than is it is reasonable, which is to say that 968 00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,680 like if someone gets hurt or something, you don't have a 969 00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:36,080 floor like guys can can soak up the other volume like I'm I'm. 970 00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,080 Projecting. Even lower than he should be DJ 971 00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,360 more low than he should be Romajunsi lower than a top 10 972 00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,240 receiver should be. Comment lower than he should be 973 00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,360 all the way down. Even like the running backs that 974 00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,000 earn volume they have, they have good pass catching backs between 975 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,120 Swift and Roshan. And that actually really scares 976 00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:51,040 me. And they keep talking about 977 00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:52,240 Gerald Everett. Right. 978 00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:53,680 And Gerald Everett's there and all that stuff. 979 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,280 But my point is there's enough there that like if if somebody 980 00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:00,520 gets hurt, if if DJ Moore goes down, OK, well, I can easily 981 00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,800 project Keenan Allen to do more than I was projecting. 982 00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,560 I can easily project a doonsie to to soak some of this up. 983 00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:08,320 I can project more two tight end sets in both command and Everett 984 00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,200 actually hit. Like I can't even project 985 00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,480 Everett for any volume at all. And I do think he's going to be 986 00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,560 a part of their offense because they have like a lot of depth to 987 00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,880 their past team is I mean, it's just like a real thing. 988 00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:22,000 Yeah, they do. Let's this is a good question 989 00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:27,200 from Nick talking about the stacking stuff in redraft. 990 00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,400 I'll just like frame the conversation and then get your 991 00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,320 guys's thoughts. I think to me there's two big 992 00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,600 benefits. There's the regular season, just 993 00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:37,280 simple correlation. Like if Brian Thomas is a smash 994 00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,880 man, I think that really increases the chances that 995 00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,720 Trevor Lawrence has a good year. So just like team level 996 00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:45,040 correlation. But then there is the playoff 997 00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:46,880 Sprint element. Gretch was hinting at it 998 00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,880 massively, massively top heavy the same way you are approaching 999 00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,400 the Sprint contest on underdog. It's the same thing here with 1000 00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,840 FFPC weeks 15 through 17. There are going to be teams 1001 00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:02,680 stack pairings that go off and it allows you to get less things 1002 00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,720 right to be concentrated on those offenses, on those 1003 00:49:05,720 --> 00:49:07,240 pairing. That's kind of how I think about 1004 00:49:07,240 --> 00:49:08,680 it. So I'm still pretty big 1005 00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,400 stacking, not to the extent we are on, on underdog, but I think 1006 00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,760 it's a priority. I think it's a great point and I 1007 00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,840 think in the past years it wasn't as popular, but as we get 1008 00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,880 further along it's going to trickle into this stuff more, 1009 00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,720 especially with the way that underdog structures are set up. 1010 00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:26,680 Like I'm just thinking a few years ago when Josh Allen and 1011 00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:31,000 Stefan Diggs were the nuts in the Sprint, there were some Josh 1012 00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,640 Allen and Stefan Diggs teams around the top, and then there 1013 00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,000 were also some just pure Josh Allen teams and then some pure 1014 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,240 Stefan Diggs teams. I remember cuz I had a Stefan 1015 00:49:39,240 --> 00:49:41,520 Diggs team that year and I didn't have Allen and I wasn't 1016 00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,120 completely blocked. I feel like if that happened to 1017 00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,600 this year, you'd be blocked because I, you also need a 1018 00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,040 Camara that year and you needed some other dudes and I think 1019 00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:51,720 there wasn't enough configurations that had all 1020 00:49:51,720 --> 00:49:52,880 that. But the tournament's gotten a 1021 00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,120 little bigger. First prize is larger now. 1022 00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,160 And I feel like, so some of the past data might, might even 1023 00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,080 actually say like, well, it hasn't always needed to be a, a, 1024 00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:03,960 a correlation, But to Pete's point, you're getting less 1025 00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,000 things right. And when they hit in a 1026 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,920 correlated way like that, there's going to be more teams 1027 00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,320 in there that have that is is sort of the way that I'm 1028 00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,280 thinking about it. Yeah, I think the biggest the 1029 00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,600 difference is that like you're it's so much more important to 1030 00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:23,760 just like be trying to find the right players in redraft, in 1031 00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,840 part because when you don't find the right players, it doesn't 1032 00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:30,200 matter as much. Like if you just whiff, it's not 1033 00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,400 as big of a deal. Obviously if you draft like tons 1034 00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:33,680 of busts, your team's going to suck. 1035 00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,920 But like it's about finding those players that are the huge 1036 00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,640 difference makers and then over the course of the season 1037 00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,440 cobbling together enough around them. 1038 00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:45,040 And your draft might not ultimately even be like look at 1039 00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,640 the the go Bills draft from you know what, the second year they 1040 00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,200 want the 2nd. Year they want, yeah. 1041 00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,640 It's like half the guys weren't on the team. 1042 00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,480 You know, they had to, they had to build it over the course of 1043 00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,520 the year. That's and that's very common 1044 00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:00,800 for, you know, good redraft seems is that you're continuing 1045 00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,720 to build them post draft. So, you know, in that sense, I 1046 00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:07,040 think stacking is is less important because you should be 1047 00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,480 breaking ties towards the profiles that you know, you 1048 00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,480 think have a better chance of especially like the weed 1049 00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,280 winners. The tack on stacks late, which 1050 00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:15,840 matters best. Exactly right, because. 1051 00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,080 They hit your line up, but in in redraft, you're not actually 1052 00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:25,040 going to go put whoever the you know, DJ Charkin, I mean, maybe 1053 00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,000 he could hit in a way that you would if you I don't know. 1054 00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,760 Like we talked about Trevor Lawrence, like Gabe Davis is not 1055 00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,880 especially appealing as a not going to start partner. 1056 00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:37,240 And and, and partly because guess what, dude, you're 1057 00:51:37,240 --> 00:51:40,680 dropping Gabe Davis, you're probably dropping Gabe Davis. 1058 00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,840 You know, maybe you know, there's certain builds where 1059 00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,720 maybe Gabe Davis is a stacked thing with Trevor Lawrence. 1060 00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:50,720 Feels like, OK, man, we need a receiver, you know, sure, but 1061 00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:53,400 like, it's not a priority to get that. 1062 00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:57,880 Whereas, you know, if you have Lawrence in on a basketball team 1063 00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,440 and you're coming around and you kind of need a receiver and Gabe 1064 00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,440 Davis is there, sure. Like, that seems great. 1065 00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:04,840 You know, it's just a different thing. 1066 00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:09,520 Well, I was thinking of some actual names to make that point. 1067 00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,320 There's been like, Rondelle Moore's, what I've been doing 1068 00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,120 with the Falcon stacks. I would never see a scenario 1069 00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,040 where I could start Rondelle Moore in a managed league. 1070 00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,200 Yeah, like everything would have to be wrong with Kirk Cousins. 1071 00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:19,360 Greg Dorch is one I've done with Kylie Murray stuff. 1072 00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,000 I I don't, I don't think you're like, I want to put Greg Dorch 1073 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,240 in for the stacking element into a managed league. 1074 00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:26,320 That's probably never happened, but that makes sense in 1075 00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,440 basketball. In the the other point I was 1076 00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,880 going to make is you have you're not forced into the stack like 1077 00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,920 you are with best ball or using the stack, I should say, like I 1078 00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,720 think an element that would be realistic in the Sprint. 1079 00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:41,560 Say you took tank Dell and then you got CJ Stroud as a value and 1080 00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,200 you stack those guys up. But say you just hit, you 1081 00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,640 crushed your wide receiver decisions and tank Dell wasn't 1082 00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:48,640 even in your starting lineup most weeks because he was really 1083 00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,440 volatile. You don't know where to use him. 1084 00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,840 But then you find yourself in the Sprint and you are 50 points 1085 00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:57,440 out and yes, you have a guy who projects for 3.4 more points 1086 00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,120 than take Dell. But CJ Stroud is your 1087 00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:00,840 quarterback. You know, tank Dell is going to 1088 00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,360 be low owned, not going to be used by a lot of teams. 1089 00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,880 What is a way for you to climb your way up? 1090 00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,280 You use that correlation, that stack and the percentage to your 1091 00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:11,920 advantage. So like, I think those are the 1092 00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:13,760 situations where it could really come in handy. 1093 00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:17,360 Yeah, give yourself a lever, but to your point tank, Dell is a a 1094 00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,920 class of receiver that can be within like 3 projected points 1095 00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,000 of your starter. You can't do that with a like a 1096 00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:24,320 like. And I know you weren't saying 1097 00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,040 this, but I'm just reinforcing like that point doesn't extend 1098 00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:28,880 to like a great Greg Dorch because you'd have to be giving 1099 00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:30,880 up like 10 points of projected that week. 1100 00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:32,120 You wouldn't do that. Yeah. 1101 00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:35,240 Yeah. But I mean, I do think there are 1102 00:53:35,240 --> 00:53:38,760 some interesting stuff like a Troy Franklin and and Bo Nicks. 1103 00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,440 So you're probably not even needing to draft, but maybe it's 1104 00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,760 like sort of waiver wire speed dial on Nicks. 1105 00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,120 We'll see. We'll kind of see where he's at. 1106 00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:50,440 I could, I think he could be draftable, but like that would 1107 00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,960 be like that's a stack that I kind of am interested in because 1108 00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,720 that would be like, you know, potential path sort of thing or 1109 00:53:56,720 --> 00:53:58,320 like. It's a bet on the whole offense. 1110 00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:02,480 Bet on the whole offense and Franklin, like Franklin 1111 00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,840 certainly fits a profile of like, I don't know, like he 1112 00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,800 could be nothing. He could be really something. 1113 00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:11,000 And it I like him in best ball because I think there's a good 1114 00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:12,720 chance he he's playing by the end of the year. 1115 00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,240 But I also like him in redraft because if he's totally nothing 1116 00:54:15,240 --> 00:54:17,920 and I have to cut him, I don't. Who cares? 1117 00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:19,600 Yeah. It doesn't. 1118 00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,600 The only reason you care is those guys. 1119 00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,320 You sometimes round trip those guys and then you're like, man. 1120 00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,640 Troy Franklin Week 7 breakout. I wish I didn't have. 1121 00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:28,560 I know that's true. Then you do care? 1122 00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:30,000 Yeah. What was the round trip? 1123 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,320 You caught up too early. Oh, like you cut the guy because 1124 00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,560 they're not doing anything, but then they do what you thought 1125 00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:36,720 they were going to do all along. It's surged toward the end of 1126 00:54:36,720 --> 00:54:39,240 the season, but you couldn't afford the roster spot. 1127 00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:41,000 Yeah. Right, right. 1128 00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,960 But then also the fear of that is why you hold Quinn Johnston 1129 00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:44,880 too long. It's too long. 1130 00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:46,760 It's a vicious cycle. It's tough. 1131 00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:51,480 It's not easy. But here's like, let's see, 1132 00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,160 DeMarcus Robinson's going in the 17th round. 1133 00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,160 Xavier Largette is going in the 16th round. 1134 00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:58,960 That's a great. Example. 1135 00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:02,560 That's a great. Example that's a bet on a on an 1136 00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:06,480 offense that the market hates to massively over perform to find 1137 00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,520 this year's Texans. That's what the Broncos is. 1138 00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:11,400 That's what Carolina is. They're two of the three lowest 1139 00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,920 scoring projected offense and New England would be another 1140 00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:15,240 great one. If you wanted to say, you know, 1141 00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,720 Polk and and Drake May and all those guys. 1142 00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:22,440 Not really into that one, but. I I actually trust that you 1143 00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,640 didn't pull them out. Right away, I know. 1144 00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:26,600 Trust me. When I said Troy Franklin, I was 1145 00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:32,560 thinking Polk and May. I used I used Polk and Leget as 1146 00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:36,800 an example in my piece for fantasy life and I I'm really 1147 00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,400 playing with fire because I used on the other side of the coin, 1148 00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,080 like the Dantavian Wicks thing where there's all this hype for 1149 00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,360 him, but he could. He can certainly pop off for 1150 00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:45,560 spike weeks. But I think it's going to 1151 00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,640 probably be pretty hard to know when the star Dantavian Wicks. 1152 00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,000 But you're going to know. And again, maybe you don't know 1153 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,240 until later in the season, but like we're going to get real 1154 00:55:53,240 --> 00:55:56,680 good peaks on. Is Polk just the alpha there in 1155 00:55:56,680 --> 00:56:00,160 New England right of the gate? And if he is, which is well 1156 00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,520 within the range of outcomes like boom, you hit on it. 1157 00:56:02,720 --> 00:56:06,200 And if he's buried and Juju and whoever is playing ahead of him, 1158 00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,800 like all right, that's. Juju even makes the roster. 1159 00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,600 I think that's that should lower pulse 80 but. 1160 00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,640 But I do think you take those those cuts on those guys because 1161 00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,400 that information can be, can be really valuable. 1162 00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:19,960 No, 100%. And Wix would be one of those 1163 00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,640 guys that's, I mean, probably every Packers receiver like they 1164 00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,760 they've talked about how they won a game plan and roll out 1165 00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:28,480 different kind of stuff every week. 1166 00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,120 And and it's it's not going to be predictable like that. 1167 00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,360 It doesn't sound that fun for Redraft, even though you don't 1168 00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:38,040 want to take that too far. Mac Nova says Chase Claypool 1169 00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,240 around 20 seems like a nice click in July redrafts. 1170 00:56:40,240 --> 00:56:44,800 I would say that that is a good call for that type of play. 1171 00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:48,720 It's there's always way more players in that like class of 1172 00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,000 potential then you actually have roster spots for. 1173 00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:53,720 So you have to be more discerning it. 1174 00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,400 It feels like what what's the what's the reason not to take 1175 00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,280 him? Well, you're not taking other 1176 00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,120 shots and so is he the best shot you can take. 1177 00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:05,640 Well, yeah. And it's like you also if you if 1178 00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,520 we are drafting kind of early, right, we have like five or six 1179 00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,240 weeks until the season starts. Like, who are the late round 1180 00:57:11,240 --> 00:57:15,720 picks that can really rise? It's generally the running 1181 00:57:15,720 --> 00:57:18,280 backs, right? Like when you look at these guys 1182 00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,440 here, like take some of these guys like Khalil Herbert or 1183 00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,520 Samaj P Ryan, you know, like maybe those guys don't have a 1184 00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:25,080 great outlook now, but they get cut. 1185 00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:27,240 They sign with the Chiefs, they sign, you know, wherever, 1186 00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,360 somewhere attractive. It's like those guys are moving 1187 00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,440 up four rounds and like you can bink that CLV, whereas I just 1188 00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,520 don't think you're ever getting mega chase Claypool CLV. 1189 00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:37,960 I don't think you are either. I think Bassi is sort of 1190 00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:39,320 rotational. That's what I was thinking. 1191 00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:42,000 Even if you're going to go to wide receiver, I think I would 1192 00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,440 go to like a Cowboy where like maybe Jalen Tolbert is actually 1193 00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,280 something, you know, or even like draft Ryan Flournoy and say 1194 00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:49,360 he's going to be this year's puka. 1195 00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:53,200 Because like then I think if you bink that, you can bink that in 1196 00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,720 a way that's like he's actually running a ton of routes. 1197 00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,880 And in a, you know, obviously Claypool would also be in a good 1198 00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:00,880 pass game, but I just think the payoff would be different. 1199 00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:08,040 Yep, Yeah, I think it'll be yeah, it'll be fun to talk 1200 00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:10,560 through because I think a lot of, you know, similar to how we 1201 00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:15,280 feel on Underdog, like there are a lot of fun ways to build this 1202 00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:17,440 year. And like, I already just know I 1203 00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,440 I I do want to have some teams where it's like, oh, maybe we 1204 00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,080 get in the piss boy room and we get a breeze hall or a Bijon 1205 00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:23,720 anchor. Like I want to have that team. 1206 00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:25,880 I want to have a team where we have a chant, you know, I want 1207 00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,840 to have these teams where we have some of these kind of 1208 00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:32,840 luxury, you know, Detour picks early, just that build the 1209 00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,400 versions of teams. We like to build around those. 1210 00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:41,480 Can you pull up the board again? Yeah, because I I think the back 1211 00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:45,480 half of the board has been frustrating an underdog and in 1212 00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:48,800 some ways it has that same frustration where there's just 1213 00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,080 such a clear tear break after A.J. 1214 00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:56,240 Brown, Wilson and puka. But it is interesting, like look 1215 00:58:56,240 --> 00:59:00,120 at the the the FFPC is honoring that tear break at wide receiver 1216 00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,440 where on underdog we normally just power right through it and 1217 00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:06,040 take Marvin Harrison. Exactly, Yeah. 1218 00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,720 And I kind of like that here. Like I would have no problem 1219 00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:13,440 going like JT Laporta like at the turn and that would now 1220 00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,280 we're just going to rip it. I think honoring that tear break 1221 00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:19,320 out of the 12 is probably the way to play it like running 1222 00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:24,640 back, tight end start because like you're going to be OK at 1223 00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:26,480 receiver. You know if you can get if you 1224 00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:31,240 could go neighbors depot at 3-4. Which you can according to this. 1225 00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,800 That's, that's pretty good. You know, I'm not going to be 1226 00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,960 like terrified about my, my wide receiver room if those are my 1227 00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,480 top two guys. So I think honoring that tear 1228 00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:45,640 break, which we all feel, you know, I, I, but in underdog, we 1229 00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:48,480 don't really have the ability to do that because we will fall 1230 00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:50,920 behind. But here it's pretty, I think 1231 00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,520 it's much clearer how to play it in the back half of the board. 1232 00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:58,960 Yeah, yeah, I'm man, I'm getting, I'm getting very 1233 00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:00,360 excited. The other. 1234 01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:02,360 To get in these. Yeah, me too. 1235 01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:05,440 The other nice thing about the back part that started to 1236 01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:07,840 happen, that's not happening here. 1237 01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,160 That started to happen in underdog with the rising prices 1238 01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:13,480 around 7 receivers is like if you pick out of the one O 1, the 1239 01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:17,400 6-7 turn, you can still get like I it's so nice when you can 1240 01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:19,800 still get like for me at least for to get like Deonte Johnson 1241 01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:23,760 and JSN at the 6-7 turn and you're like, I've gotten 7 picks 1242 01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:25,960 in and I got both those receivers at the back end of 1243 01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:27,600 that whatever detours I took prior. 1244 01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:30,320 Whereas in when you're in the back window, you can't get a 1245 01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:32,520 receiver at the back of the 7th. The window's closed. 1246 01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:36,480 So you have to do like you have 6 picks to figure out your 1247 01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:41,160 receiver and this one, because everything's pushed up JS NS, 1248 01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,920 the eighth round pick like you get the seven eighth turn is now 1249 01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,720 actually a viable receiver receiver turn that's. 1250 01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:48,560 True. That's very true, yeah. 1251 01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:50,640 I mean I and I will say is pretty. 1252 01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:53,400 Nice too. We we haven't like fully 1253 01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:55,080 discussed this. And I know it's not like it's a, 1254 01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:58,480 it's a pretty simple talking point, but like I've been not as 1255 01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:02,520 high on Deonte Johnson as Gretch on underdog, but like, holy cow, 1256 01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:06,280 like Deonte, like God, FFPC, when we get when we get boosted 1257 01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:09,880 to the full point, PPR, like I do think some of the excitement 1258 01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:14,560 of these guys should get ratcheted up and like comparing 1259 01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:18,560 a Deonte Johnson to Christian Watson on FPC on FPC versus 1260 01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:21,880 underdog or even a Keenan, you know, to some of these guys, 1261 01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:25,320 like I do start to get really excited about that element. 1262 01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:29,440 I've also warmed up a bit on Deonte, so yeah, him in the 1263 01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:30,760 seventh round does feel pretty good. 1264 01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:32,680 Pretty. Stuck to have Deonte and all our 1265 01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:36,440 teams this year guys. What? 1266 01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:39,440 I'm hearing from both of you is that you're in on Deonte, the 1267 01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:40,320 seventh round. Every day. 1268 01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:46,200 I'm not like not like super in. I'm just definitely willing to 1269 01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:50,160 take him. Yeah, the one the one spot looks 1270 01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:53,120 very fun to build out of for. Sure. 1271 01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:56,200 There's just so much you can you can do there. 1272 01:01:56,840 --> 01:02:00,480 I mean honestly running back tight end looks like a pretty 1273 01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:05,960 fun start or or wide receiver tight end running back if if a 1274 01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:10,120 Chan is in range, but that that looks like a very fun start 1275 01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:13,960 pretty much anywhere. Yeah, it's kind of crazy. 1276 01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:18,960 The 2-3 tight ends is really similar to the 4-5 and underdog, 1277 01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:22,960 where the backdraft slots have access to Laporta and Kelsey. 1278 01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:25,400 The 2-3 turn is just the 4-5 turn. 1279 01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:28,960 Kincaid Andrew's question right, if you're on the back half and 1280 01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:30,840 you didn't take one of the earlier tight ends and you're 1281 01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,160 looking at maybe pits and the like at the late 3rd, which is 1282 01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:36,840 like late 5th and and underdog and then the 4th 5th in some 1283 01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:39,800 ways replaces the receiver choices of the two three where 1284 01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:43,520 you're getting Devonta and and Debo Samuel and some of those 1285 01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:45,400 dudes. Stefan digs the third round pick 1286 01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:48,360 goes late 4. You know, I mean, T Higgins is 1287 01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:51,000 is Kittles late 5. He's the. 3rd Kittle a cheat 1288 01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:52,720 code Kittle's going. Like. 1289 01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:55,200 Four spots ahead of his underdog 8P. 1290 01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:00,040 He went way later in in my Scott Fishbowl draft too and I think 1291 01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:03,280 people are really concerned about the. 1292 01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:07,120 The zeros or. The the, the policy, I was going 1293 01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:09,800 to say the PPR ceiling, the actual catch ceiling, right, 1294 01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:15,160 like targets and volume, but like contingent upside on Kittle 1295 01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:17,400 is massive to me. If either Debo or I you can miss 1296 01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:21,200 his time like he should. His target projection goes way 1297 01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:23,320 up. Like he's really good. 1298 01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:25,080 He's super efficient every year. I mean. 1299 01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:29,440 Well, the Evan Ingram Kittle ADP's are telling that exact 1300 01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:31,400 story. It's they're saying give me my 7 1301 01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:34,400 1/2 targets game I and I want to, I want to take those to. 1302 01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:37,320 The, and is it really cuz Kittle's still going to get 95 1303 01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:39,800 to 100 targets. He's not going to get nothing. 1304 01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:41,480 He's a really good football player. 1305 01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:45,200 So is it really that extra 20 targets or whatever it is? 1306 01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:47,840 Is it really worth this? And and also when we know that 1307 01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:50,640 there's chaos in season and like the contingent based upside 1308 01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:52,120 like. It's chasing the floor. 1309 01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:53,920 It's chasing project. Cozy. 1310 01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:56,000 Right. Yeah, and, and just being like, 1311 01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:57,600 like, I'm going to feel sick to my stomach. 1312 01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:00,920 Like, yeah, it's cool that week I win with 25 from Kittle, but I 1313 01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:02,960 don't want to deal with those weeks where he scores 2 1/2. 1314 01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,480 And I do think it's possible to punt tight end in this format. 1315 01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:10,720 I mean, we the first year we went out pee to Vegas, you know, 1316 01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:15,400 Matt and Mark were these this, this father and son duo that we 1317 01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:18,640 met out there and they just like basically didn't draft the tight 1318 01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:20,040 end. I think they took like one dude 1319 01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:23,600 in like the 14th or 15th round. They won their league. 1320 01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:25,400 They won their league. We did not win our league. 1321 01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:27,840 They won their league. You know it is, it's it's 1322 01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:30,800 possible to punt. I mean, you could do, you could, 1323 01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:37,080 you could do Jonnu, Jwan Johnson, maybe a Ben Sennett in 1324 01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:40,640 there, get some upside option like you know, you can get three 1325 01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:43,040 or four guys in this range and and play it. 1326 01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:46,760 I also think, and I haven't, I've been slow to warm up to 1327 01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:49,160 this. I'm coming around, but I also 1328 01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:53,400 think that the Rams tight ends, like I would be totally open to 1329 01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:56,960 grabbing Parkinson and Davis Allen to close out of draft 1330 01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:59,800 1920. Give me those, give me those two 1331 01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:02,400 tight ends and they're going to play someone. 1332 01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:05,960 Give someone 75% of the routes and we're we're golden. 1333 01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:10,040 Same thing with the Chargers. Disley and Chargers and Hurst, 1334 01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:13,040 like Greg Roman's offense features tight hands somewhat. 1335 01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:15,960 If they play enough, it's certainly possible to be good 1336 01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:18,360 there. It it will be, that will be an 1337 01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:21,120 interesting conversation for us from like a portfolio 1338 01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:23,640 standpoint, because I think there's like seven or eight 1339 01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:26,400 tight ends that we would be excited about drafting in the 1340 01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:29,680 first six rounds. And so just like naturally, like 1341 01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:31,880 we're probably always going to be like, yeah, let's grab this 1342 01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:33,880 tight end here. So it would be like a conscious 1343 01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:36,320 decision or maybe you get smacked in the face with two 1344 01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:39,000 really good values at like running back. 1345 01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:41,000 You get like 2 running back. That looks like, all right, 1346 01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,560 let's go CMCHN here. Like this just seems fun. 1347 01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:46,120 And then you're like, all right, this is going to be the punt, 1348 01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:49,000 you know, tight end team, basically. 1349 01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:52,640 Yeah, yeah. Or I mean, I also am open to you 1350 01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:57,040 know, you grab CMCHN and then you're running back three is in 1351 01:05:57,040 --> 01:06:01,280 like round 12, round 13, you know, you like really punt that. 1352 01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:04,640 Yep, Yep. Well, that's fun. 1353 01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,440 We're gonna, we're gonna be talking about this stuff just a 1354 01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:09,440 lot. Just. 1355 01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:11,000 A lot of more. That's my big take away. 1356 01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:13,040 Yeah, we're about to have a lot of fun. 1357 01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:17,680 I know you guys, a lot of you. It's an annual thing we do for 1358 01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:20,800 the YouTube VIPs. We'll get the videos going with 1359 01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:24,040 a ship chasing mini sod when we hop in our FFPC main event. 1360 01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:26,960 We'll let you guys know when that gets rolling. 1361 01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:30,120 And yeah, we're gonna get some draft stream scheduled. 1362 01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:31,840 All that stuff, like I said, housekeeping stuff, 1363 01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:34,920 announcements on schedule. The one thing that is locked and 1364 01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:39,760 loaded, we will be in Vegas that Thursday and Friday hanging out 1365 01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:42,080 watching the games and we'll we'll organize a ship chasing 1366 01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:44,360 meet up. All of that good stuff. 1367 01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:49,440 Gretch, anything else for you in the stealing signals realm? 1368 01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:55,560 Nothing major, just did a YouTube stream yesterday, was a 1369 01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:58,400 long one but I think it hit on a lot of good topics. 1370 01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:01,040 The projection pods with Leonie finishing. 1371 01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:03,720 I have like 6 teams left to finish all my projections and 1372 01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:05,640 then I'm going to be able to start writing up some content 1373 01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:08,120 over on the newsletter behind that but just still plugging 1374 01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:10,720 away at spreadsheets on the projections. 1375 01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:13,160 Beautiful Gretch, what's going on? 1376 01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:14,720 Or Pat, what's going on with leg up? 1377 01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:20,680 So I just put out an article. It went live yesterday morning. 1378 01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:26,480 Just a quick, quick read on some AT PS that I'm afraid of losing 1379 01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:29,480 as things get shaken up due to training camp. 1380 01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:32,800 In some cases, it's guys that I'm like not hammering right 1381 01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:34,640 now, but then I'm worried they're going to rise and I'm 1382 01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:37,480 going to wish that I did hammer them or some stacks that I think 1383 01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:39,680 are just super fun right now that are priorities for me. 1384 01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:42,240 So check that out on legendary upside. 1385 01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:49,840 We did AI did a podcast with Eric Froton today on the college 1386 01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:53,960 football, you know, the best bowl mania that underdog just 1387 01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:57,280 launched. So that's a it was very fun. 1388 01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,880 I I know nothing about the college football scene really. 1389 01:07:59,880 --> 01:08:05,440 So very fun to kind of get a, a sense of structurally how to how 1390 01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:08,360 to build there. You got to think about 5 weeks a 1391 01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:12,200 lot and just get like a little, little taste of what the player 1392 01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:14,120 pool is like over there. So check that out. 1393 01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:16,040 That's we just recorded that right before this. 1394 01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:18,560 That'll be up later today or early tomorrow. 1395 01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:21,680 Awesome. Yeah, my other show tonight. 1396 01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:24,720 I got Neil Orfield on the randomizer tonight. 1397 01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:26,680 The wheel is locked and ready to go. 1398 01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:31,000 That'll be a very fun show. Tomorrow, Special one off stream 1399 01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:33,479 on my YouTube. We're doing the world's fastest 1400 01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:36,479 slow draft Part 2. Going to try to set our world 1401 01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:39,359 record or break our world record from last year. 1402 01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:42,640 And then best ball after dark is Friday night. 1403 01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:46,040 I'm having Michael Chang on. He is a data scientist who just 1404 01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:49,800 did a ton of deep dive into the weekly winners data. 1405 01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:51,720 So if you're kind of interested in that format, he's going to 1406 01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:54,640 walk me through all of his research and some of his 1407 01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:56,760 takeaways for that. And then we'll do a weekly 1408 01:08:56,800 --> 01:09:00,640 winners draft. Otherwise, we'll be back next 1409 01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:03,680 week at our normal time and keep your eye out for all of our 1410 01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:06,600 announcements with our August schedule. 1411 01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:10,960 Thanks again to Nick and the hopper here helping us produce. 1412 01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:14,040 Thank you guys for accommodating this early start. 1413 01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:16,880 And we'll, we'll catch you guys in the Discord for Pat, for 1414 01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:17,720 Gretsch. I'm Pete. 1415 01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:18,439 We'll see you guys next time.