All right, it's the final ship cast of the year.
We're going to be talking the Chiefs upset.
We're going to be talking through the final playoff game
before the Super Bowl. Pete, not here just yet.
He'll be joining us about half an hour.
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It looks like we're finally at this.
Point you're right. Gretch, how's it going?
It's good. I'm smashing the end of a
protein bar that you were like, we don't have to go live, right
at times since you're trying to eat this protein bar.
And I was like, yeah, I'll be good.
And then I wasn't good. What?
So man, the the Ravens loss was was pretty brutal for a lot of
our playoff stuff, including a little.
I don't know if you guys are familiar with the NFFC playoff
contest, but including in that in that one there.
Yeah, we had some people asking after the video and everything
what we needed to happen. We needed a Baltimore, San
Francisco Super Bowl. That was what we were kind of
playing the whole way. The Kelsey part of our of our
play worked out really great. It was this really great pivot.
He had another great game. Baltimore could have pulled that
out. We would have really been in in
strong shape if San Francisco also won.
Instead, we are pretty much dead 'cause that's the way it works.
Good with the multipliers and everything.
Yeah, we don't have Mahomes. People will have Mahomes on a 4X
multiplier. So if he gets 25 points in the
Super Bowl, they'll get 100 points for that and they'll
they'll gain. I mean, we can throw them into
our line up on A1 on A1 multiplier, but they'll gain 75
points on us next week, so that won't be fun.
No, it's not. Yeah, it's an interesting
contest 'cause you kind of have to figure out what the Super
Bowl is and what multipliers you want in the Super Bowl and then
play it back from that point. And yeah, obviously you don't.
You don't want a bunch of 1X Chiefs.
It's if it's a Chiefs Super Bowl.
But I have some stuff that's live in the gauntlet and maybe
in the big mitten over on Underdog got through where I
We'll see. I might not get through either
of those teams, but they're both live to get through.
So I'm I'm rooting for McCaffrey and some quiet Gibbs in this
game for for that also quiet kittle would would be helpful
too. Leone's been doing it.
Leone's been tracking our FFPC profile portfolio.
We had our sort of our last leverage point on some of the
other top teams because Josh Allen does look like he might be
the optimal QB in that format now in only two games.
Our last leverage point was Zay Flowers versus some Justin
Tucker teams on the Ravens. If the Chiefs were to get to the
Super Bowl cause Kelsey's been so massive in Titan Premium that
he's probably going to be optimal.
You could have like Kelsey McCaffrey and Allen and two
gamer cause none of Allen's teammates did anything and so we
have some teams that are built that way.
Unfortunately Zay Flowers didn't get enough for us to really
climb. We have the potential, if he
scores that TD where he funneled the potential to have two teams
in the top 10. They're both in the top 20
still, but they they can't really differentiate any further
from here. They're Kelsey, CMC Alman, Raw
in both cases, but we have a couple that were rooting for CMC
Alman, Raw and Kelsey to finish off strong and hopefully stay in
the top 25 or so. Yeah, yeah.
And then we have our pick Em here, which I'll pull up for
this game, kind of playing it a little bit.
I wouldn't say a shootout. I would think it's sort of like
we're sort of playing it as like Lions Trail and play like a
trailing team, if that makes sense.
Let. Me get that set up.
Yeah we played our core was a pretty iuke stack over like
really attacking that the lions are not very good in the deep
part of the field. You were pushing that a little
bit of some of our conversations earlier some of your you you
said you don't have the walkthrough updated but a lot of
your stuff is shown like the the lion's defense is weak where the
where I you could I want to say the deep middle right.
I mean, you write a lot. Of yeah, they're they're they're
very vulnerable in the deep middle of the field.
That I you extract passes. Plays at a high.
At high, Yeah, that's I that's where I you geeks.
Yeah. But that's also where Kittle
does a lot of his damage. So it'll be an interesting,
interesting way for the 49ers to attack.
You know how how healthy is Debo?
But even if Debo's fully healthy, this is still, I think
it's still sets up as an IU game.
Part of it is like, how much are they going to push Purdy?
I do think they're going to want to get him going before the
Super Bowl, basically. Like Not to say that you can
treat the NFC Championship like a a building block game but he
was awful last week. I I mean part of it I was
playing back and forth. It's like could could the game
plan sort of be covering up Purdy and and looking at a lot
of yak and a lot of short passes.
We know Shanahan's done that. You know, I mean it could be run
heavy and a lot of short stuff does the deep middle.
Are those the deep middle pass attempts even there we're
certainly playing it like it is with the the pretty IUK and then
we're playing golf on the way back on passing attempts.
They had five losses. This is our core entry.
They had five losses this year, Golf and the Lions.
Golf never threw newer than 34 passes in a loss.
You you brought up a great note that Rebar had that, that Dan
Campbell is you know, very aware of like the lion and gets more
aggressive when he's like a seven point underdog, he's going
to be more aggressive probably that.
Was just from listening to Rich Rebar.
Yeah. I'm I'm I'm a I'm a consumer
right now. I'm just.
I'm just the pods I look. That totally jives with my I I
mentioned sort of sort of jives with my like gut feel from just
watching them that when they're when they're underdogs like this
they're going to come out throwing, it feels like.
So we we like the passing attempts on the way back here
because they might even throw a little in the first half.
They threw 43 times last week in a game that they were favored at
home and won. So I really like this core.
I mean obviously you get the the correlation element with Purdy
and IUK and there's a little bit of a dock on the payout as a
result. But the bring back with golf I
think also correlates in a way that is pretty sharp and and is
gonna be a solid payoff even at the the reduce. 49ers The 49ers
were a massive pass funnel all season as well and so I think
that's another. I like the attempts.
You floated the attempts here. This is my least.
I I didn't contribute a ton on this slip.
I was out and about this morning but as soon as you floated this
attempts number on go off. I was like oh I love that
because it it's just like you get the pass funnel element the
way we're playing the game and then you get Dan Campbell
playing aggressively, which I think he will.
We have two five legs right here.
So the first Michael Badgley and Christian McCaffrey over fantasy
points. This one is a little bit
counterintuitive 'cause we we're taking the lower on Badgley's
kicking points. So it's like we're kind of
playing it like a shootout. But we're really saying like, so
Lions are going for a bunch of two point conversions, they're
going for 4th downs. They're not getting them all the
time. Right.
It's Campbell's aggressiveness on 4th downs and on two point
conversions and it's with Mccaffrey's, you know over or
higher on the fantasy points. You're talking about a game here
where you're saying the the Niners are really firing
offensively. The Lions are trailing and I
think you know this. This is sketchy because
Badgley's kicking point is only 5.5.
They make 2 field goals in the first half.
It's done. But he could get to 5 play.
Don't put it on the court. Yeah, he could get to 5 kicking
points in the third quarter with field goal in two TDs.
So say they have 17 points in the 3rd at some point in the
third quarter. And I think pretty easily, if
you're looking at the rest of this slip and you're saying
Purdy goes over, IU, goes over McCaffrey goes over, Goff's
going over on attempts, pretty easily not get another kicking
point the rest the final quarter and a half because they are
going for two on every touchdown and they are going forward on
every questionable 4th down, then they're really pressing.
That's the way the Lions will play at that point.
That's the way they do play. And then this one we took, we
got the McCaffrey spice on here. This is one I think I showed
originally. And then we have Juwan Jennings,
which is this is sort of the the Debo's not as healthy as they're
letting on play 'cause you get Juwan Jennings out there a
little bit more and they run it through McCaffrey.
So yeah, it's receiving touchdown as well.
Debo seems really healthy but like it all.
I mean if his routes are a little bit limited and and the
Lions defense is not very good in the deep middle and all of
those concerns, you know you could see a few plays for
Jennings. I mean the the, the play that
that shocked me in the Niners last game was their first play
of the second-half after Debo was out they did a shotgun hand
off to Juwan Jennings. They were just like, yeah,
Jennings is just gonna one for one replace Debo.
It's like what are you doing? Like that's insane.
But it wouldn't shock. Shanahan comment after the game
on that? Didn't he say something?
I didn't hear it if he did, I. I think he was basically just
like, yeah, you know, sometimes you you get like a little caught
up in the in the play cone so you don't realize like what's
happening. I would guess that would be his
answer. But the the idea is like
building off that that maybe with Devo a little banged up,
Jennings runs a few more routes down the field.
Right, they're using. They admitted it was an
accident. It was the first play of the
second-half. It was first and 1015 minutes on
the clock. You had the whole half to to
think about what you're to start the second-half.
What are you doing at halftime? I didn't hear these quotes.
That's crazy. Yeah, it was for, yeah, he said.
It got mixed up. Yeah, Shanny.
Shanny talked to him. Basically.
We got Debo's. Out plenty of the half.
I know it's wild. It's a long halftime, man.
He's out there scheming up stuff for players who aren't in the
game. That's wild.
That is pretty wild. Forgot Debo was out and then
he's fucked off. Finally, 342 got it going.
Lions are getting ball first here.
I'm. I'm pretty stoked about this
game. I mean I think the Niners are
gonna bounce back. You one of the things, like when
I wrote about this game for stealing Lions, I took the
Niners to cover. I wrote about it from the
perspective of during the regular season, you get games
where teams don't look great and then you sometimes get a little
bit of value on them. The next week where they're
probably going to put in like they have a let down game,
they're probably going to put in a good week of practice and you
kind of expect them to bounce back a little bit.
There's ebbs and flows. In an NFL season, you don't
usually get that in the play offs because when the teams have
a game like that, like we just saw from the Ravens, they lose,
they get eliminated. That's their season.
The Niners had that game and still won somehow.
I imagine they really locked in this week.
It'll be interesting to see how how that plays out.
I mean, obviously both teams really want to win.
The Lions are going to be locked in too, but Mayan's moving the
ball pretty easily right away here.
Oh, I'm behind. Uh oh uh oh, was that was that
Dave Mont? OK.
The run up the middle, just like almost a midfield in their
second snap. Huge hole right up the middle?
That's too. Way I'm way behind.
Oh. Oh, no, no, no.
Oh God. I'm like way behind.
What are you watching? Oh, how?
I'm just on on YouTube TV. That's what I'm on, uh.
Uh, uh, well, I mean, I can. I'll pause it for a SEC.
No, no, no. Because the the the the audience
will be. Yeah, they're saying they're
behind I. Just saw that run.
I just saw that run. The chat's saying I live in the
future, so yeah, dude, what's going on, man?
You just saw that going on. Wow.
Yeah, dude, we just saw. The run.
All right. I think actually you might want
to pause it. You might want to pause it
because you're literally the entire chat thinks you're from
the future. Oh, the chat.
No, the chat. I did pause it and then I missed
Jamieson Williams. The chat goes Jamo Oh my God.
TD. And now I'm seeing that TD
Jamieson Williams. Touchdown.
You know what I'm going back to live.
All you guys who are behind. I'm seeing the.
Reported dump off. I'm not.
They're not. Even reported on the TD.
Oh my God, this is a watching long stream where I'm watching
the chat hell. This is horrible, but I'm not
letting the chat ruin it for me, unfortunately.
No. All right, well, I know we're
not allowed to stream it to YouTube, but then can you stream
your screen privately to me? So that I can see the game in
real time. That's on my phone.
Like I don't know how I would do that.
Send it to. To Discord.
Yeah. Yeah.
Wow.
That was a that was AI mean great first drive.
Lions get Jameson Williams the ball in space.
Have you seen the play yet, Pat? Yeah, I'm.
I'm seeing it right now. It's buffering.
Wow, that was a hand off, huh? It.
Literally buffered three times during the run.
I'm like, I'm falling more behind.
I'm already on commercial. They kick the extra point.
They're way beyond it. All right, 2 million don't go as
far as it used to. I know we've all been wondering
where that money. Was that's true?
Put it away for the future and like, didn't spend any of it.
The most responsible millionaire I know.
That's been some of it. Went to Paris.
That's right. Yeah, Go to Paris.
Yeah, PFSR is correct. Par par always has slow
Internet. He does correct the PAT.
Oh man, I blame Roto Pat for this.
I don't know if you saw he had. He had a tweet saying before the
Ravens game that a team really traded up for Jameson Williams
instead of Kyle Hamilton and then the Ravens lost and Jameson
scored a a touchdown on the first drive.
This is Rotopad's fault. Yeah, that feels.
Your wonder Do you have CB? Do you have the e-mail and the
captain? That's nice.
It's a fun little showdown sweat.
Yeah, that's. I mean, that was like a 10 point
play. I gotta imagine he was cheap,
right? I don't.
I don't even play Showdown anymore, but gotta imagine he
was allowed you to stack a lot of high-priced players, right?
Probably both quarterbacks and some pretty fun builds.
So that's interesting. All right, he's got at least
one, one team of the jamo captain.
You'd love to see it. He's 3700 or 38.
We've got we've got, so Steph said 37, then we have reports of
38 K and then Steph says I didn't do showdown.
So I think you can see here maybe what is what is this
turtlenecks meme that's starting here?
The chat claiming I must I have 0 turtlenecks.
This is because I. Guess you're rich now.
No, I mean, it's like a rich thing.
You got to get like mahogany turtlenecks.
You need like a cigar room. Like, I mean it's just like it
all fits. I'm.
Not lunching, I'm. Not trying to be Steve Jobs, is
that so? I think turtleneck is the first
word I think of is mahogany. For.
Some reason? Oh man.
This is a hoodie. This is not a.
This is a hoodie. Oh man, Man, that was a a fun
AFC championship game. Yeah.
Any thoughts on that? Kind of funny.
We spent a lot of time talking about Baltimore.
Buffalo. I mean, obviously Kansas City
too. No one took them for granted,
but it did feel like, you know, when you're kind of building in
these different playoff contests, you wanted to think
about ways to build through Buffalo, or Baltimore's gonna be
one of their years. And it's just Patrick Baum's
back in the Super Bowl, and it wasn't even really like super
competitive Baltimore played. Possible doesn't have any wide
receivers. He scored 17 points.
Yeah. I mean, and and they know it
like they're they break out my homes for a high leverage stuff.
But more so than ever in, in Kansas Citys history, like in
this game when Baltimore was shooting themselves in the foot,
they were content to just like run three times and punt and
play. And they won 1710.
You know, like Casey of old was like, we're up 17, seven and
you're shooting yourself in the foot.
We're going to keep throwing, We're going to throw, throw,
throw. We're going to beat you by 30.
They're like, no, we're just going to continue to stay up by
10. And like their punter was
sucking, like he was putting it like 30 net yards.
And they're still like, it doesn't matter.
We're not even flipping the field position, but we're just
going to keep playing defense. Like, I mean they they know that
they don't trust their receivers, that some of the
games that they've lost this year have been because of like
drops that became interceptions that became go back to week one.
You know, we were in Vegas. At at the.
The watch party and and Kadaris Tony dropping that pass and the
Lions running it back for ATV. And the Lions upset him on
opening Thursday largely because of that.
Pick six and it's a perfect throw.
They're like, we're not going to let our receivers lose this
game. We're just not going to do it.
Yeah, I mean, and I mean they they literally didn't let
Kidaris Tony play. Paulino says that Sneed Play
saved their asses. Did you see it?
I assume that's the punch out that's.
The punch out Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, there were several plays
that saved them, but there was also several plays that the
Ravens made. I tweeted about the the personal
foul on Roquan Smith and I know that looked like I don't know
why that's the first thing that came to mind but I know that
looked like it was excessive cause the the lineman's just in
the stands and he just blows him up.
But you can. I mean there's a plausible
deniability there that you were trying to time the snap count.
That play happens a lot in games where AD lineman's trying to
time the snap count and because the offensive lineman's not
ready and he's in the stance, he gets put on his ass.
Yeah, but they've never seen that called as a personal foul.
I think it was clearly intentional they they called.
Bullshit. It also didn't matter.
It didn't matter. Like the field position didn't
matter. It didn't matter.
You're right, it was a first down.
Either way it was. Just like a It's just like a We
know what you did. Like you're a jerk.
The. Party Yikes.
What happened? Just a deep shot to Iuke where
he tried to hit the defender and Iuke played some pretty good
defense. That's that's offensive
interference. That is offensive interference.
He got there before. I mean, he's not playing the
ball. He gets there before the ball
comes down. I mean, good, good offensive
interference, but it was definitely offensive.
Interference. The the other thing that was
interesting about that game is, I mean the Chiefs had some
pretty bad penalties. I mean, that were legit holding
penalties, but like, you know, Rashi Rice touched down, called
back like, Oh my God, that play was so bad.
Yeah. Like they they did not play like
a super clean game. Correct.
Yeah, I mean it was and I think they know that.
They know they're not good, but they still have Patrick Mahomes.
Like when you have Patrick Mahomes, you can just win on a
high leverage place. Like one of the things I, so I
also took KC for stealing lines. And one of the things when I
wrote up that game I was talking about is like people think the
Ravens are unstoppable until they're not.
And then they think they're the worst team in football.
They get and Lamar gets this as well.
They get the the biggest shift, I think in perception from what
I see on social between how good they are when things are running
well and how bad they are when things are going bad.
And I think it's the style of football they play.
They're more of like a success rate team.
They still create explosives, but they're more about like
staying ahead of the sticks and some of that stuff.
They still run a ton. They threw a lot more this year,
their 30th. In past attempts, they were
number one in rush attempts, like Lamar Scrambles as well.
And so you that's one of the things.
Even on drop backs they become rushes and you stay ahead of the
sticks. When he runs for five yards on
1st and 10, it's second and five.
You can run the ball because Edwards now it's third and two
when they aren't operating well, when they aren't running the
ball well, like they didn't even really try today and a lot of
people hated that. I think it was smart.
I think you you just let Lamar be dynamic.
But when they aren't operating well, they wind up in 3rd and
longs in those things and their offense isn't designed to then
go get 10 yards on cue when the defense knows that you're in 3rd
and long. That's right.
That's the thing about like they can make explosive pass plays.
They still have a good rate of as close to pass plays, but
they're I think primarily. Like the 49ers are a little like
that too. Like the 49ers are all about
balance and put keeping you off balance because they're so good
at everything. But then if you know.
If you know they have to pass. Right.
They're getting their explosives off balance on non obvious
passing plays and those types of things.
Mahomes. The whole offense is built out
of what you end up having to do on 3rd and 10th.
They're trying to stop Mahomes every snap from passing, right?
So everything he's able to do actually lends itself to the
highest leverage plays. And it's the same as when Brady
was, you know, doing his thing when Peyton Manning was doing
his thing. When you have a quarterback like
that who's in an elite drop back passer who can read out plays
and beat even coverages that are are designed to stop passes on
those particular downs, that then lends itself to the highest
leverage place. When you're trailing, when
you're behind, when it's third and long, even if you're ahead
and you need that big conversion.
All of those types of plays lend themselves to how KC typically
wins, how Mahomes typically wins.
He's used to that. What what happens with Lamar and
all and and and Baltimore and all of those types of offenses
is when they start to get third and long behind the sticks, it
is a little bit different than when they're rolling and their
offence is in rhythm and staying ahead of the sticks.
And they're when they're rolling, they're just like they
are kind of like front run, like they're they're just better than
you and then they dominate you and they look so dominant.
That's why like when I wrote this up, I took the Chiefs in
the money line. But I also said if Baltimore
wins, I think they cover the the spread that was like 5 or 6
points because they win going away.
That's how they win games, right?
Like they dominate then they go away.
But I one of the notes I made was I love getting the value on
the Chiefs at plus 185 because if it is A1 score game late and
I thought it could be a really close game late, I would take
the Chiefs at like -150 at that point 'cause then you want
Mahomes in A1 score back and forth game with Jackson.
The reason that Baltimore was favored is 'cause they could win
in the 1st 3/4, but if it's close late they.
Could win in the first quarter. I mean, they could.
Win in the first game, yeah. Right.
Yeah, and then you had the whole narrative that the Chiefs are so
good in the second-half, which of course they only let up a
field goal in the second-half. They only let up a touchdown in
the first half. So it was pretty.
I mean, without that Flowers fumble, they would have let up
more points in the second than the first.
But it was just not the spot you wanted to be in with the Ravens.
They needed to come out of the gates, you know, really hot.
And instead they had a three and out.
It was just, it was just really. That was brutal.
Do you do you think like when watching the game there were, I
felt that Lamar had some opportunities to run the ball a
bit more? It was tricky.
It seemed like they were spying him.
So like it looks like in the pocket he has room to move, but
like maybe he didn't really have anywhere to run.
So he's just trying to read out like man coverages down field.
We, I mean we talk a lot about Mahomes not having great
receivers. I think we saw that Lamar
doesn't either once he got into a tough spot in this game where
he needed to throw on 3rd and longs more.
You have Zay and Zay makes some plays.
Rashad Bateman obviously had a really rough week year.
Odell Beckham, there was that play.
They didn't really get a use. If they didn't use him much at
all, they can't use him because he's not particularly good.
They tried to throw to him on the sideline on one play and he
did get grabbed and held back and it should have been DPI if
he was still fast enough to have gotten close enough to the ball.
But it was one of those things where like the ball winds up so
overthrown because you're like you're not fast enough to get
that call anymore is what it comes down to.
Like you're not. They're just going to say that's
uncatchable and they're going to let that hand fighting go.
But if he's like showing some explosiveness, like he can get
to that ball, he draws that penalty.
I was looking at that play and I was like, man, this guy is
making $14 million this year and I don't think you can get him
the ball in that spot, be like, I think you got to take him off
the field, you can't even go, you can't even get him to draw
DPI because he doesn't have the athleticism to to draw the
penalty anymore. You have Andrews banged up.
And I mean they, I think they just had a hard time getting
guys open on a lot of those plays.
You're talking about like he was looking to run.
Like should he have looked to run more?
I mean possibly. I kind of trust that he's a
really good scrambler. Obviously I kind of trust that
he was seeing, you know, spies and and didn't have a lot of
places to go. You can't obviously see what he
sees, but then you have to have guys winning one on ones
downfield. That's the point I'm making.
And he probably just didn't have a lot of guys winning one on
ones downfield other than other than Zed, you know, did it a few
times. Yeah, yeah, it was.
I mean there was there were a couple play.
I saw Bateman was open on one play where he was kind of
scrambling around, but it was it was late and I think he probably
pulled his eyes down. He he did not have a lot of
help. It's tough when Zay Flowers has
that kind of game and is by far the the best weapon that he had
with with him. He's not.
Healthy. And yeah, he played well, Zay.
Except for just like a few plays where some massive liability.
Yeah, exactly. You.
I mean, you needed him to not be making huge mistakes for sure.
And Lamar didn't play well. I'm not trying to excuse Lamar.
He didn't. He had a bad game.
I think the frustration mounted. I think when things weren't
going well, he started pressing the the INT to Isaiah likely was
obviously a, you know, a horrible decision.
He sawing into triple coverage and doesn't even need to be
said. But at the same time, like I'm I
I don't think it's a referendum on Lamar Jackson at all that
game. I mean, it was a game where like
everything that could go wrong for Baltimore went wrong.
They just kept making mistakes. I mean, he took a bad sack on
1/3 down where they're on 3rd and nine.
They were in either go for it or long field goal range and then
they had to punt. Then they also had both of their
turnovers in the end zone. I mean that's three different
drives where they could have got points and because of the two
turnovers in the sack they don't get any points on any of those
drives. I mean that was yeah, but Chad
saying taunting was flowers magnum opus that was.
I mean I was immediately I stole the taunting call cause Nance
actually said it first. Oh, the Niners just missed a
field goal. Wow.
Nance said it first. He's like they're gonna get a
we're gonna get a taunting call here and I'm like they're
calling taunting right now after a huge play down to 1st and goal
to 10. How are they doing that?
They show the replay and I'm like probably should have gotten
2 penalties. It's like all the things that
you can't do. He pushes him out to the play,
throws the ball at him, that's one, then stands and flexes over
top of it when he's like. Literally everything you're not
allowed to do. He did in one play.
Yeah. Like.
Good Lord, what are you doing? Just he He was.
Brutal. It was a good game.
But man, Baltimore it like it. It should have been a better
game. Baltimore didn't show up.
They didn't. They didn't.
They. They robbed us of a potentially
really good AFC Championship cause the the Chiefs came out
ready to play, obviously, and then they they just coasted.
They scored 14 on their first two drives and and three the
rest of the game. They won 1710.
Man, I know they scored. Yeah, they scored touchdowns on
their first two drives and didn't.
Baltimore never got to 14. They didn't need another point.
I mean, that was a game. It's wild.
Yeah, yeah. I don't really get.
I mean, Lamar, it did feel like it, just like you said.
I mean, it's tough to know exactly when he should take off
and run versus not. But there were a few times I was
like, he really should have taken, like, it just felt like
he should have taken off. And like when he caught that
pass to himself, he was like, Oh my God.
And then the other time when I think it was fourth and one
where he, he got loose and it's just like he is so fast.
And they didn't really, I know they did a good job of Romo was
talking about how, you know they're blitzing and just kind
of acting like a spy because everyone's staying in their
lanes and it just like made it difficult for Lamar to take off
a lot. But he, I think he had a few
more opportunities. To me, like that's that's as bad
as kind of anything else because like other than the triple
coverage throw, which is just absolutely brutal.
But like you know, are we really blaming Lamar a ton for the
strip sack? Like that kind of stuff happens,
you know, like I don't think that's like him.
That's not like a let down situation from Lamar in my
opinion. Pete is doing, we didn't even
say it, but Pete is doing bedtime with April.
It's right at bedtime. He's very routine based and we
obviously all respect that he's going to be here.
He said he'd be here right around now, so he'll be here any
minute. Yeah.
Pat, my thought on that was just that, like when he did get
loose, like I was just checking this his long run.
When when Lamar did get I, I went and checked just now.
And when you were talking about that, I was surprised to see
that his long run was 21 yards. But I I do remember that play
now. But I thought like, yeah, I
thought most of the plays where he got loose.
Yeah, exactly. It was that fourth and one where
like it was kind of a unique play.
But most of the plays where he got loose on a scramble, he
didn't actually like have space to run like we're used to.
I I agree with you. He looks faster than it ran the
field and you're like do this more.
But I think defensively they had guys in those spaces where they
were limiting some like 5 yard runs at most and sometimes we're
able to like sack him when he was not getting the ball out
quick. So I think he was trying to get
the ball out a little quicker. He ends up with eight carries
for 54 yards with that 21 yard, 4th down run.
So the other seven went for 33. Like, that's fine, but like
usually I think he averages more and has like some you know, at
least one other long run. Yeah.
There was like a period, I would say like kind of the third
quarter. I wanted to see more of it,
'cause then by the time you get in the fourth quarter running
the ball, it gets harder to do and but they had, AI think, a
window where they could have made the Chiefs fear that a
little bit more. For sure.
Yeah. I mean, I think, yeah, it's it,
I don't know it's, it's I guess it's hard to say because I, I, I
guess my read is that Chiefs very much feared it and built
their whole defense around like that, number one.
And then we're like you have to beat us in one on ones down
field and. Right, right.
They didn't. They did not.
You got an injured Marc Andrews.
The Andrews thing was a let down.
Someone mentioned that in the chat.
Like. For sure.
We ended up playing him on our
NFC thing. I was pretty confident that he
was gonna at least be using, like the red zone spots.
They were taking him out in some key spots.
And then he went to the locker room in like the third quarter
like he wasn't. He wasn't healthy.
The the health was a risk and he wasn't healthy.
Man. Lions I I mean, I thought the
Niners were going to lead in this game and the Lions came to
play. I I love Dan Campbell, dude.
I I it would be very fun if Dan Campbell upset.
It would be so. Fun and It was the first game of
the year Lions upset the Chiefs in Arrowhead to start the
season. And then if that was the Super
Bowl, how cool would that be? And and after the Lions like,
missed the Super Bowl or missed the missed the playoffs last
year, it would it would be fun if they had made the Super Bowl.
So, Pete. How we looking?
Well, I'm behind. I don't know where you are.
You've. Been chatting about Baltimore
and and Kansas City for the most part.
Like just breaking that game down?
I'm still not over that, man. That was brutal.
Yeah, that was tough for our sweats, for sure.
But I mean tough for Baltimore fans too.
I mean, I know there's a lot of I.
Saw Jack was going through it on Twitter, just having a on
meltdown. Was he?
He's having some time. Blocking anyone who replied to
him and that. Kind of day.
I almost decided to test, but then luckily.
I blocking anyone who replies to him.
Jack was Jack's also attacked his Longhorn fan and was talking
a lot of crap about UW before the Texas UW Sugar Bowl.
And so he was someone that I was and got a little kick out when
UW was able to win that game and got, you know, it was a little.
Oh yeah. A little extra fun for that.
I mean you you do like when you are that much of A public fan,
you you you have to take the good and the bad, like if you
want to downplay it and like in the quiet of your own home,
you're just like living and dying by this team.
Well, guess what? Then when they lose, you don't
have to deal with all the shit, right?
Be ready to victory lap. Then you got to play the other
side of the coin. For sure, that's a great point.
So I'm at 4:50 right now in the. Yeah, I'm at like, I'm at like
521 right now, Mike, This is the slowest any game has ever gone.
For Lions, Lions came out hot Pete, If you haven't caught it
in the game 'cause you're doing bedtime.
Jameson Williams took an end around like 40 yards for TD.
San Fran did drive but sell for a field goal and then missed it
like a 48 yarder, I want to say. And so and then the Lions, they
had ball first, but they're looking to score again on their
second drive. Wow.
I mean for our, for our underdog, I mean, obviously
having the Niners in a throwing script is very good and we got
to imagine golf keeps chucking it.
Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, he's.
Harping him up. He's so far behind.
I just saw that in completion and I'm like it takes me 431.
I don't know why I'm so far behind.
Even on your phone. Yeah, and it keeps.
Buffering, so I keep falling further behind.
Brutal. That'd be funny if they were
punishing you. Like every time you buffer,
they're like, no, we're putting a 10 second pedal.
That's what it is, dude. I won't let.
Me catch up like I was. I paused so I could fall back to
where Karain was before I realized how far back he was and
how futile it was. But like, I paused for a minute
and then the chat was like, Touchdown Jameson Williams and I
was like, fuck this, I'm going back.
I'm not letting the chat break. In for me.
I'm like, dude, I hope they don't blow it to the Packers
here. Yeah, I was actually confused.
I was. I was over in a different stream
yard room simulcasting 60 minutes.
They had some cool stuff on the African safari.
I thought you guys were going to join me over there, but.
Dude, I I tweeted. Mahomes is 14 and three in the
playoffs and like a little joke that his win loss record is
would be locking up a number one seed by Christmas.
His playoff win loss record is like good enough for a regular
season one seed. Some somebody hit me with the
wins on a QB stat in the comments, like, yeah, I mean
come. On this is.
What are you talking about that is so funny?
And and he goes, especially given he just scored zero in the
second-half. All right, all right, you got me
there. He didn't score any points in
the second-half. Has anyone checked in on our
guy, Madison? I haven't checked on his Twitter
feed. No, I haven't checked Madison's
Twitter feed. It's not going to, not going to
be good. Truthering Patrick Mahomes was
never going to go well. That's.
A tough lane to get into? It's.
A tough lane. I don't know if he got to sign
that lane somehow or how that's happened, but you know.
It's a tough draw. Whoever is on a tough draw, I
don't know. All right, there it is.
What happened? Monty TD.
I'm seeing Barry Sanders clap
about that TD. How about I feel like normally
we're always pretty In Sync. I guess that was the Amazon
Prime. Stuff the Amazon Prime, yeah.
What are you watching it on, Pat or?
DTV. We're both on YouTube TV, which
is making our we're like that much more confused.
Why Pat's YouTube TV is so far behind?
I just saw the Monty TDI just just now.
Oh, they've got Ford Field filled up.
They're showing some clips of that right now.
I'll just narrate to you so you know it's coming.
So you never feel what? Do you mean they've got Ford
Field filled up? Like, they're doing a lot of Go
to commercial. Oh yeah, that's cool.
Yeah. I feel like that used to be more
of a thing. Maybe it happens and I just
don't know about it. But I know like even in the I'm
thinking back to like the the 90s too, that I want to say it
was when the Nuggets were maybe making a run that when they
upset the Seahawks and they would like on the away games,
they would like pack out the old Mcnichols Sports Arena to like
watch the games there. I just remember teams hosting
those watch parties far more often than I hear about them
now. Yeah, I don't.
I I don't remember A-Team doing this, but.
It's pretty cool. It is pretty cool.
I wonder what like if they just have the exact same like alcohol
laws as normal where they have to shut it off at a certain.
Point shut it off in the third quarter or whatever.
Yeah. You're like shit.
Nick and the Hopper says he's also on YouTube TV and he's his
behind his PAT. So we got, I mean, we got some
interesting maybe I'm going to go.
Over to the private chat and just I'll just sweat the game
with Nick. Don't.
Let the comments. Do their thing.
Watch the comments. This is interesting.
Start to this game guys. 14 nothing.
I thought we would have the Niners come out looking better
in this game, honestly after last week.
But. Maybe there's something?
Called. You know who called?
The Chiefs? Lions.
Super Bowl. Who?
Tyreek.
That's right.
Yeah. Just this week.
This week. Yeah, yeah.
Not not. Not like months.
Ago. Yeah, but yeah, no, that's and
both underdogs, but we were talking before you came on,
Pete. This was the first game of the
year. We watched this in Vegas.
The Lions or that game was the first game of the year.
The Lions upset and the twos on Thursday Night Football and they
beat them in Arrowhead and that could potentially be the
rematch, the last game of in Vegas.
Where we all were when. We in Vegas.
There you go. It all comes full circle that.
Really serves. I I have such from both every
year. You know, because I've been, I
normally go watch Super Bowl with the underdog folks and then
we always watch, you know, the opening game in Vegas.
And I have so little memories of those games, 'cause I'm just
talking and drinking with people the whole time and like, I can
barely remember anything from, like the games themselves.
Like if you ask me who won that Chiefs Lions game right now, I
dead ass don't know who won? Someone want to tell me?
OK. Thank you.
I figured you would have checked at some point after that.
No, I I was waiting for to be pleasantly surprised.
Let's keep it. Yeah, the Lions won 21 to 20.
I want to say they won in large part because of a pick six on a
drag route to Kadarius, Tony That hit him right here and it
just bounced up to the DB who caught it and ran it back.
For being so fantasy irrelevant, Kadarius Tony sure has been a
main character for so much of the Chiefs this season.
Really. Man, the Instagram thing this
morning. Yeah, what Of course the the
infamous, you know, Travis Kelsey pass against the Bills
where he was all sides of. Course, of course.
Yeah, that now all of us do anything.
It's just pretty funny. I know.
All right, Brock, start slinging it.
Wait, are you are you guys on 1st and 10 here?
Yeah. Oh wow.
Do you guys? I'm on 2nd.
Oh, I'm caught up. You're.
Caught up. I'm lined up on 2nd and four.
Oh no, I'm not. I'm Zito's jogging around.
Purdy's chucking it down field. Kyle.
Use check deep down field. This is a real play.
I'm not making this up. Did he catch?
You'll be all this? Yeah.
He did. Deep, deep middle.
We played the wrong dude. We had the wrong discussion
about the deep middle. It was Kyle.
Use Check was it. Correct answer.
I'll use check in the splash soon.
That's right. Wow.
Yep. Chat.
Don't be that guy. Yeah, I won't be that guy again.
I was. Just messing around.
I was just showing where I was. Hey, Ben has the green light to
spoil all future Kyle Yuschek plays.
Yeah. All loud cares about that.
The Niners got to got to go get a A score on this drive, but
Lions had ball first. This game's not.
No, I mean, the Lions defense is, you know, it's that that guy
in the clown suit meme, You know, it's the it's the defense
that sticks. Out of all the units in this, in
all the offenses and defenses, the Lions defense is the one
where you're like, How did this make it to the conference
championship? And it's largely because the
Cowboys lost and they got a home game against the Bucks.
Like, I mean, that's right. It's like you should have had to
go through downs is really the the answer.
Yeah, well, I mean, so clean for them.
The Packers just get super hot, beat Dallas and then go lose to
the 49ers. Right and.
They just get to play the Bucks I.
Mean we all love the Lions. I mean, I I think, I don't know.
I don't wanna speak for you guys.
I I love the Lions. I think most people.
No, I love them too. Yeah, they're they're fun as
hell. They're they have that stat.
Jim Nance said it earlier. I didn't realize they're the
only team that's been around, that's played in every season
since the start of the Super Bowl era, Super Bowl, one that
has never made the Super Bowl. So if they win this game, they
will be the first. This will be their first trip to
the Super Bowl ever. I-1.
Did the Browns fit that as well? Is that why they said they have
played every year? Cause the Browns didn't play a
couple of years. I can't think of any other year.
They made it. They were good in the 80s, but
they I think they lost to the Broncos.
The drive and the Earnest Beiner fumble and that stuff, I think.
And then obviously, like the the Texans haven't made it and like,
you know, there's a couple teams like that, but.
Right, the expansion stuff there.
But yeah, that must be it, Ben, 'cause they didn't have that one
year, right? Or was it a couple years?
But that's crazy. I mean, the lines have been out.
They won NFL championships the decade before the Super Bowl.
They won like, I think it's like 3 in the 50s or something like
that, or in the early 60s. And then they've never even made
it back. It's crazy.
Yeah. And I, you know, like Dan
Campbell's so fun. You know, like, you think you
think about like an analytics type of guy.
And you, you know, you'd think about like someone who acts like
Brandon Staley but like as someone who is very pro, like
going for it and playing aggressively and all that stuff.
Like, I I also found Brandon Staley kind of weird and
annoying. Like I didn't.
I just was hoping he, I was just hoping there'd be a coach he
like went for. And then of course he ended up
being a terrible coach and didn't really do analytical
stuff for the most part. But I love that Dan Campbell's,
like the, you know, has all like the appearances of of the ultra
football guy blasting out his eardrums with Metallica and then
he's super into going for it. Like, that's amazing.
I strongly prefer that. He's he's like the only enigma
like that right of all the rah rah coaches that isn't.
Which is weird because you would think like the rah rah the
leader of men would be like let's I trust our offense.
Let's go for it exactly like a guy like Pete Carroll is just
like no pun. It couldn't get it.
Get Yeah, yeah. Like, if you're the leader of
men like, why aren't you like? We're together.
Let's take them down. Yeah, but.
It's it makes I. Can't even envision a world
where we don't pick up this fourth in one and.
On fathom how we don't. Succeed.
Man. Right.
All right. I.
Got a trivial question for you guys.
Are you ready 'cause I actually went to look up the Detroit
Lions franchise. What is the first year the
Detroit Lions played in the NFL? They had a different name prior
the first year of the Detroit Lions.
Different name Prior. I mean, I don't know.
Were they like late 60s? Like, no.
Like like the 30s, thirties. 30s no, I guess I was thinking when
they became the Lions. So you're saying when they were
whatever, this version? Are you saying What do you what
are you asking us? What?
The first year of the Detroit Lions.
So when? They changed their names.
When they moved to Detroit, they were in a different city.
Even, OK, OK. There are encyclopedia shows a
different city. I'll take 48.
No, I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say 49.
The 49ers. CMC Let's go.
Gretsch, don't leave us hanging with this trigger.
Come on. Oh, I thought you were gonna
answer 1934 patch versus answer was 33.
You were off by 9 here. I I I shifted off of it.
I kind of, I kind of threw you guys off with that other little
note, but so they were the Portsmouth Spartans for four
years and then they became short lines.
So I was, I was trying to clarify, I was looking for the
year that we came to short lines.
But yeah, 1934 had been around in the NFL.
You were in 1934? Wow, that's awesome.
That's crazy. Yeah. 90th or 89th year or 90th
year this year. That's crazy.
Wow. That is crazy.
And they won the championship of the NFL in their second season
as the Detroit Lions in 1935 and then three more times in the
50s. And they have not made the
championship game since 1957 a. Lot less passing back then
though, I would say. Did lockstep.
Wow. Use Check.
Big part of the game plan here. I would definitely that CMC
passing TD would be really fun to get out of the way here.
Yeah, I have a couple gauntlet type sweats.
We got really useless CMC Rushing TD, which we'll take
God. Damn it, that's very good.
I mean, we'll take, we'll take it.
Yeah, well, we have the fantasy points on the five leg.
We do, yeah. That's why it's it's still very
nice. Man, I'm just realizing though
that correlates with our badge. Lee under.
He already has two extra points so gonna need the lines to stop
scoring. Yeah 'cause with part of the
thesis of that was the lines would be down.
By by the. Whole lot of men, A.
Script that that we are very much not in is what we were
playing. Yeah, you.
Still have a shot if they just never kick a field goal, right?
Like they can score 28 and have four extra points and you go
under. I mean, it's still.
It's still. Yeah.
The chat is telling me that this is incorrect.
Definitely incorrect. Ben Butchering the question.
I mean, Pro Football Reference says they started as the
Portsmouth Spartans in 1930 and became the Detroit Lions in
1934. So take it up with them.
I thought I clarified that these guys are like.
Everyone else saying it's 1930? These people are mad like.
I I don't see anyone who's mad. Well, this one that says Ben
butchering exception. Yeah, I didn't actually.
Be wrong, people will come after you from my experience.
I well, I'm I'm, I'm kidding about the Bing map, but I am
curious what the answer to the trivia question actually is.
Am I missing? Some mob come after me for
insinuating that Ford Field was named after Jerome Ford and not
the car. I mean these.
Guys will get pissed. What's named after Jerome Ford?
How would that even happen? Did you just say that Ford Field
was named after Jerome Ford? I mean, I wrongly said it and
then people. Came after me.
That's great that. 'D be pretty weird, I.
Don't know. I just think he's.
He's. A Cincinnati running back.
I think he's pretty good, man. Do you guys ever hear that I I
remember when I was a kid, I don't know and I was never like
a car guy. But I remember one time this kid
told me he he like came up to tell me a joke and he goes, you
know what Ford stands for? I was like no found on the
roadside dead which I apparently there was a battle back that I
don't know if he was on team Chevy.
I don't know if he was more of a Japanese car guy or what, but
found on roadside dead I was like noted I will never grow up
and buy a Ford. Have you ever had a?
Ford I haven't. Well, it looks like he that
propaganda worked. Yeah, it did.
I was programmed from a young age to think that they're.
Lemon I drove a Ford Explorer from.
It wasn't my first car, but I want to say my senior year in
high school 'cause my first car was like a beater old Nissan
Maxima. Senior year in high school, all
through college after college, Drove for years, never was found
on the roadside debt. That thing was reliable, got me
through a lot of times, took it to the Grand Canyon and back.
A lot of good times in that Fort.
So I'm. I like I like that people are
trying to say two completely made-up acronyms that one of
them is correct. Apparently there was a fix or
repair daily when found on roadside.
Dead is far more effective. Like, yeah, that's that sticks
with you. Like not to get political, but
like the Democrats would come up with fix or repair daily and
Donald Trump would be like. Found on roadside dead and the.
Crowd would go. Fucking wild.
That is just accurate. That is, that's true.
That's just the world. We live in, that's not.
Deniable. Yeah, I'm looking up where
Portsmouth is now. The chat wants me drunk.
This is my sober month now you got.
I'm doing Google Maps now. Portsmouth is in Ohio, if you
guys were curious. The What do you got then?
Couple more days the 1st. I'm going to.
I mean, I, So I I drank on my trips to New Orleans and
Houston, so I'm going to do a full month from when I got back
after the national championship. So at least another week, I
don't know, Didn't really put a timer on it.
I I drank heavily on my trip last week and I have not had a
sip of alcohol since coming back.
I feel like I needed my own little detox there.
That's right, I had. 3 beers on Thursday night and was like
hungover Friday, so I haven't I. Haven't wait when I met up with
you. No, no.
This past Thursday. Oh, this?
Past Thursday, yeah. Yeah, I had literally 3 beers
and then I'm I was like, I think I'm going to take a take the
weekend off. Yeah.
Like. 3 beers didn't get a hangover.
I mean, what this? Is well knowing you, they're
probably like 4.3% Ipas or. Something.
No, they they were like 5 and 5.4%.
Oh, they're grim. I found Grimm.
Oh, there you go. What happened?
Oh, you just just watching, watching the screen coming up
here in 15 seconds. It's a very funny.
I I was planning on watching my screen so thanks thanks for the.
Oh, I I won't root it for you. I got in trouble from the chat
for rooting. It I know I like generics.
Oh boy. Trick play.
Oh God. God.
It just. Died.
That's right. I think the reason to do a trick
play is that you kind of forget that Goth is the one who threw
it. You sort of think like, oh,
that's 'cause like, you know, Jameson Williams threw it or
whatever. Right.
He must just, like, not have gotten grip on the ball.
The ball The ball hit a pigeon. Randy jumped into it right now.
Start seeing the feathers. Just come.
Down. Wow, that's a good throw.
Oh no. Rotopat with the perfect tweet.
That's one. That's somebody.
When someone says that, I'm like, I'm going to go to
Rotopat's page because he's hilarious, a little bit
incorrect. Tweet.
Was golf past shot down by anti aircraft fire?
I loved his tweet earlier about when the Steelers announcing,
like Mid game that they had interviewed Arthur Smith on
Twitter from their public Twitter account trying to get it
little news dumped. Like we do feel obligated to
tweet this out to our followers, but we kind of don't want the
rest of Twitter to get a hold of it.
Do you think we can speak it out right now?
He hasn't gotten a job and doesn't appear to be likely to
get any of the OC jobs correct. I mean, are we OK there for the
most part? I mean, the Steelers going from
Matt Canada and Arthur Smith would just be.
Absolutely. That would be pretty funny, Rich
A. Lot of day for Montgomery this
game so far. Not sure why.
'Cause they're ahead, I. Mean.
He's like OK, but like. He's the leader of men that.
Got past shafted right near the aircraft bar.
So of the two remaining possible Super Bowl combos are, you know,
specific routing interests aside, just like completely in a
vacuum, Like what Super Bowl would you like to to watch the
most? I don't even know what our
rooting interests are. Me either, really.
But I I just mean aesthetically. Like, what would be the funnest
Super Bowl to watch? I think it would be Chiefs,
Lions. It's Chiefs.
Lions. I think almost.
Objective You've already seen Chiefs, Niners in the last 10
years. I mean, what was it like five
years ago? You you get, you get Dan
Campbell media week. First of all.
I mean, that's going to be fun. And then I also think the game
itself, you're going to have the Chiefs offense is not the fun
Chiefs offense of old. So the Lions defense unlocks
that a little bit, you know, and then you can run on the Chiefs.
That's kind of the way you want to attack the Chiefs.
So that kind of plays the what the Lions want to do.
So I think it'd actually be a pretty good game with with
scoring. The chats, having a rough start.
They're talking. They're quoting David
Montgomery's yards per carry. When he ran through the biggest
hole that I've ever seen on the second play, we highlighted it,
me and Pat, and had a big gain. And then he was getting stuff at
the line of scrimmage. Otherwise, I mean, wake up.
Jesus. Pull Pull your head out of the
Detroit Lions history spreadsheet.
Please. And watch some football wake.
Up, good Lord. Must be your first game.
Let's be your first game. They're punning at the 46 on 4th
and 6th. I don't love that decision.
My kneecaps feel intact. But you know, rooting interest
wise, I do have some some playoff basketball sweats.
If if it's KC, San Francisco, so.
Yeah. That's that's my rooting
interest, I think. I think our collective rooting
interests were really tied to the Ravens winning, yeah.
All of our good stuff kind of went down the drain.
We're gonna get some Purdy on this drive guys for our although
he has 88 yards already we we we could use some iuka on this
drive for. Sure, I was gonna say.
I feel like it's been an eternity since we got an IUK
splash play. Yeah.
It has been a while. I'm looking at the box core now.
Jameson Williams averaging 42 yards per carry.
They should be giving him carries every play.
Yeah, why aren't they giving him more carries?
That's that's almost half the field per carry.
It's really good really good decision.
I think if you if you just give him the ball and get 42 yards,
I. Mean I'm not a I'm not a
football coach. I I would probably give it to
the guy who gets half the field per carry.
Dude, what did? What did that J MO end around
due to his ADP next year like that?
Like 2 1/2 rounds at least. Yeah, it did.
I'm wondering where, where do you think he goes right on that
borderline of the wide receiver window at the 10th round or
something like that? Honestly, I think that's where
he was gonna go and now he's gonna go in the eighth round.
He's going in Cadarius Tony territory now.
He's this Cadarius, Tony. He's this cadarius, Tony.
That's exactly right. That is exactly right.
Bateman Burks. He's the he's the guy, the
upside story you can tell yourself after water season
dries up more than you were hoping and I'll probably draft
some. Unless I don't know, man, if I
have an offseason of Davis telling me that the vibes are
bad around Jamo at Lions camp might get me off of him.
Honestly, like, you know, 0 running back probably going to
be pretty hard to execute next year just given how it won
everything this year when everyone said the 80 PS were too
high. Though I can't imagine it's
going to course correct. I mean it seems to be the nuts,
but it's it's all the more reason like if you need to talk
yourself into drafting, you know all these wide receivers that
what are they going to feel like?
Very, very high prices in the early rounds.
The other options probably have a massive bag of Jameson White.
Yeah. 'Cause you're draft, you're
drafting running backs there. If you if you go there running
back and that's seven. Eight I did with with Fantasy
Life. We did an early mock draft the
other day and I was like begging to call it like after 8 or 9
rounds, 'cause I'm just like without rookies, without free
and stuff like it. It just got gross.
So, so fast. I actually took Jameson Williams
in that mock draft, I think in the in the ninth or tenth round.
But. Yeah, got some nice CLV there in
the mock draft streets, but it is.
It's gonna be tough out there. Mccaffrey's cruising along for
for his fancy points. Nico feels like a 2-3 turn guy.
That's I've been working on my my rankings and that's where I
have him. That's where I have him, yeah.
Am I crazy to want tank over Nico?
I don't think so, but I have tank in the same area all.
Right. Yeah, as long as you have them
close. I have them very close.
I think I might have them back-to-back.
I guess it. I guess it makes sense.
Nico and Tank in the two three turn.
Yeah, you're just betting. You're betting on strata.
Take another step forward. And they both were awesome.
I mean. If they keep Sloick, like, why
wouldn't you be in on that offense?
Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. You know people people
immediately saying they're Dell over over Nico and I think
that's that's fine. I I was.
I mean didn't Dell break his ankle?
Like it's a yeah, there's some concern I think with the like, I
would like a little bit of an injury discount on that given
that Nico was was awesome. And is bigger has the body.
So one of the things like we've seen a lot more small players be
successful in the modern NFL where you can't do a lot of the
like bad penalties now and bad hits that can break players.
One of the low key storylines that we have not talked enough
about that I think does need to be addressed.
A lot of the ones that have been really good did get hurt a lot
this year, like Keaton Mitchell was sweet and then got hurt.
Devon A Chan missed time. There was another smallish
running back who Kyron Williams was really, really, really good
but also missed went went on IR for a stretch.
We talked about him being undersized, came back and was
awesome. Thank Dell gets injured.
Like it's still hard to be 180 lbs on a football field for 17
games. That's not easy to do you your
body is smaller. I think it's probably more like
199 or something at this point, I I don't.
Fair. Yeah.
He's he's maybe not the right one but it's just another guy
that we talked a little bit about size issues.
A lot of the size stuff that we were like, Oh yeah, you, you,
everyone was Oh my God, Purdy. Dude, he he's overthrown IU on
back-to-back. Play.
Yeah, well, he just hit a line back on the chest and it's a
channel flag, man. Brock Purdy went from.
There's a gone of a pumpkin in the chat.
He went from MVP for some people to like.
I'm gonna prove to everyone that I was never in that discussion.
Like, I'm going to show so clearly that I don't deserve
that. I mean, he's had some rough
outings. Yeah, I think I'm gonna.
I'm gonna have a few passer. What?
What's that personal foul? There's a personal foul.
And the defense still first down Detroit, it must have been.
After the play. Wow.
His hand got hit. Isn't this the exact same way he
went out last year in the division?
I think that that's why the throw was so bad, is what Paul's
saying. Oh, I I thought.
OK, I read. That it's got hurt.
I don't. I think he's OK Oh, after the
play, somebody just came up and blew up Debo for no reason.
Yeah, I know. I get that his hand got hit,
but, like, it was a collapsing pocket and he tried to stand in
there and deliver a ball to the middle of the field with a lot
of defenders there. Like, right when he started to
throw that I was like, uh, oh, that this could be a turnover.
Like your arm is in jeopardy of getting hit when you stand in
the pocket and it starts to collapse and you still try to
make that throw, like take a sack.
I mean, that's one of the big things there.
They got fortunate that the Lions got a 15 yard penalty at
the end of that play and they're all the way back to like their
own 50. So the the tank discussion,
really looking forward to buying the tank tip.
There's not going to be a tank. Tip.
There's no dip. He's gonna go with the 2-3 turn.
I don't know. I mean.
Debo broke his shoulder like 3 days ago in his playing.
Injuries don't matter anymore, these guys.
Yeah, all of all of the comments on Tank have come from that
Marshall guy. He he said ego or tank.
First I'm tank easily, then he was commenting on broken bones
and now he's talking about it. Just for the record, it's one.
Thing His own tank dip. Yeah, there's no tank dip.
And he's 5 and there's. A chance we see him in the
Garrett Wilson range if he finishes the year.
I I suppose that's possible, but I I don't know that we would
have, you know, and I don't and I kind of doubt to be honest,
that's normally reserved for guys who expect to step up as
true number ones the following year, right?
Tank doesn't really profile as. Garrett.
Wilson was what?
Where'd he go in the NFL draft? To me.
What they? Do.
You know what they profiled to me as like an ADP comparison or
whatever? They're like the more sexy
version of the Keenan Allen, Mike Williams.
Where you you like heading, put yourself back in your favorite
reference, where you like the quarterback, you like the
offense, you like both those guys as talent.
You're taking Keenan mid third, Mike Williams round four, but
you're just going to push these guys up because they're younger
and on a more sexy trajectory. Right.
I think that's right. And I think the advantage of
taking a guy like Tank is that there's a chance he emerges as
the true number one over Nico, over, you know, the second-half
of 2024 season where you know like some of those veteran guys,
we know a little bit more about the target pecking order.
We can feel more comfortable like they really are kind of Co
wide receiver ones or whatever. So you're like, you know, so
Nico and Tank are somewhat negatively correlated where one
could kind of emerge over the other?
Yeah, yeah. And I mean, look, I I mean, to
your point too, like when I, at first I was like, oh wow, both
of them up there. But it's like the market has no
problem, you know, taking two wide receivers from the same
team. I mean, we had, what, three sets
of round 1-2 pairs last year in round one, yeah.
I I was a little bit sidetracked.
Oh, Jameer Gibbs. I was a little bit sidetracked.
And you may have said this, but I like to Consiglier's point
here. No one has ever been tank size
and picked in the first. I don't.
I think that's true. I don't think there's ever been
a first round pick in fantasy football that's as small as he
is and I think there's a reason for that.
Like I don't. Think I'm not like the the
Philip Dorsets and John Ross as those guys were even bigger than
him. Oh, I was thinking, first round
of fantasy football. You're.
Thinking first round of fantasy. Gotcha.
Yeah, so for for Tank to be like a late first round pick next
year, people will have to get real comfortable with his size.
And I think that's tough, man. Gibbs team.
I mean, I'll tell you, one guy who I think probably was that
small would be Tyreek. Yeah, Gary threw out Reek.
He's that small. Reek's way bigger than that.
His way he's. Like 5/8.
I think he I think he weighs a good chunk more.
Yeah, he's like. Yeah, you're right.
He weighs more. Tyree kills like 210.
He is now, but when he first, when he first came on the scene,
he was much smaller was. He.
Yeah, Wikipedia has him listed as 191.
That's crazy. I thought he was like, I mean,
he's let. Me look up what he weighed in at
in the combine and stuff he would he came in the league at
185. That's that's why so.
Still significantly more than tank.
How? How big is Tank?
I'm looking up his weigh in 160. 5.
Yeah. You're not getting him in the
first round. I mean, you can take him in the
first round, but he's not going in the first round at 165 guys,
that's not happening. 58165 is a tough first round fancy pick.
Who also got a serious injury in his first season and there's got
to be questions about whether he can take enough hits over the
course of a season to put up the numbers you have to put up like
that. Sounds like a dip is coming,
guys. Here in lots.
It takes no FUD right now. The dip is coming.
Yeah, Devante Smith would be another appropriate comp.
But I the weight doesn't matter and all of a sudden like weight
like very, very much still matters.
Like there's like Devante Smith would probably be like an actual
number one wide receiver if he was the size of a number one
wide receiver. Like he's very he's very
skilled. But there's a reason why the.
Size of a. There's a reason why Devante
Smith, you know, even with awesome draft capital and a team
trying to install him as a number one wide receiver before
trading for a real number one, like there's a there's a reason
why he is what he is, which is a really, really, really good #2
wide receiver, you know, and I think that's probably where Tank
Dell and what he ends up becoming or maybe he could be
A1A and I don't know. It's like it doesn't it's not
like if a guy, just because he's small we need to write them off
or something that's that's obviously nuts.
But I do think that when we're talking about the difference
between taking a guy in the top 12 versus the 2-3 turn, we
should be factoring in things like, wait, because we're trying
to factor in, we're trying to find the guys who can have the
alpha target. Shares the the more we talk
about this, the more I do like what you said from the beginning
about having them both kind of near each other at around the
two, three turn. I mean, I think that makes a lot
of sense. Yeah.
Having said that. Jackson was another another guy
people are bringing up. Am I doing something wrong?
I just went to PFF to look at. I usually have these in like
spreadsheets, but to look at their listed yards per out run,
regular season and postseason Nico Collins it.
Says 3 probably. Over three?
Yeah, no, he was unreal. Nico Collins had a 3.1 yards per
out run this year. Tank Dell was 2.2, which is
still really, really, really good for a rookie.
Yeah, but Nico did it over a way larger Sample, 'cause he did it
into the postseason. He played a lot in some.
Really tough defenses. Yeah, 3 plus yards per out run
for Nico and he's got the the size and held up to an NFL
season. He's deep.
Threat as well, like he's. He's.
A guy you want to be, you want to be drafting.
Yeah. Yeah, honestly, like, well, if
you take whichever guy goes later like you, you know and you
and you want exposure to both, like this is an offense we're
going to want to be in on. Like I'm not anti tank but I'm
anti tanks like a top 12 value or something.
Yeah, I and it's almost kind of, it won't seem like a discount,
but it's like a discount relative to when you take A.J.
Brown in the first round and then Devante Smith ends up
having like win. Those guys who do have lots of
competition and you're paying like a much higher premium for
the one that you slightly prefer.
It's almost kind of nice when they're when they're both kind
of priced in that ambiguous range of we don't know which one
of these guys is the guy because then you get the individual
discount. They should be closer, 'cause we
don't know. It's, it's a very good point.
I mean, like last year, all the other examples, we did have a
strong inkling that Tyriq was over Waddle, that A.J.
Brown was over Davonta, that whoever won it, Chase was over
Higgins, right? Like the other guys were good,
but they were not as good as the number one on those teams.
You can at least make a case for Tank, but I think Nico's got to
go higher. Yeah, it's really interesting
thought experiment if if the injuries in the production was.
Flipped. Oh my God, they got a pun again.
Purdy just running chucks it up into Nowhereville.
And then IU came in from the screen out of nowhere.
That was a wild play. Yeah, people ask about Rice
compared to Nico. I have Rice in the I think I
have Rice 19th right now in my rankings.
So similar, but a little higher. Like I have Nico in the early
20s and Rice at 19. Yo, the Lions are about to go to
the Super Bowl. You guys, this is a wild.
A Lions. I mean.
It's it's early. They're punting down 21, seven
and can't stop them. Like my concern is they can't
stop them. What the What was that pot
returner doing? Yeah, I feel like Cody says Rice
rankings feels very TBD depending on their off season
moves. I mean Pacheco and Rice might
have specifically Pacheco but have some of the most fragile AD
PS probably right now. Yeah, Pacheco, for sure.
I think Rice. The thing about Rice is that he
hasn't looked at like 1st St. targets and stuff.
He's never had a he's not getting many of the 1st St.
targets at all and he's earning a lot of targets.
When kind of Mahomes is like kind of looking around Rice is I
think kind of goes hand in hand with his shallow A .2 is like
he's that kind of underneath outlet for Mahomes.
But I he gets open, he knows where to be and he's gotten more
and more involved as as the season has gone on.
Obviously that we've had the two week Kelsey resurgence here, but
I think that it's like one of those things where Rice actually
has a little bit more upset than it might feel like 'cause if
they just install him a little bit more in the actual play
calling then he could really like I I think he could, he
could take another step forward in terms of his target earning
ability or what looks like target earning ability because
he's not. He's actually having to, like
straight up earn most of his targets do.
You guys have any good playoff basketball sweats going?
Yeah, so I have, I'll, I'll pull up what I'm looking at here.
So I'm looking into our NFC stuff.
Now I've got. This, this team.
I've got this team in second. This is in The Big Mitten.
Nice. So this is second.
Right now I'm fading Gibbs, Kittle and J MO.
And I've got McCaffrey and I'm behind by two points now so
yeah. So it's a little tough.
Kittle needs 10 points to he needs to clear Jamo to start
counting. So I'm, I think I'm mostly just
fading Gibbs right now. It's like Gibbs versus McCaffrey
basically and I and I'm down too.
But he has he has another owl. I have Juan Jennings.
I have a piece. He'd have to, he'd have to clear
Rashid before counting. So that's one of my sweats.
And then my other sweats is this.
This is in the gauntlet and I've got.
I'm in first right now and I'm fading like a like a lion's
onslaught. So we'll.
See, Which doesn't feel great. Which doesn't feel great.
Yeah, but I've got McAfee and Kittle.
But Kittle? I think Kittle scores.
What? No, he needs to clear MVSI
guess. What do you do?
You only have two dead roster spots.
The two Cowboys. Yeah, and and thinking both.
I just have Ferguson and Cooks and then I have another one
that's in 3rd, I think let's see.
Oh no, it's it moved up to second.
So that's nice. So then this one is I have a few
more dead roster spots. I've got Rico Dowdell, but this
is a Chiefs Lions Super Bowl, so I've got Gibbs.
I've got Amanara. You have, you have Alex to.
To either. Super Bowl I do.
This is it's it's my weakest of the teams because I'm missing
Gallup, Ferguson and Dowdell. But it's still pretty strong
Mahomes, Pacheco, Gibbs, Kelsey Amanara, Laporta.
Justin Watson. So that's in 2nd and I'm like 6
points down. My one good sweat is the in the
big Mitten 2 the team I drafted with Easy I thought we were
going to have a relative cakewalk to the finals and then
a Kelsey over rice guy who had half the live players than we
did is up on us by 7:00 and we we have Kittle as our unique
piece so we need 7 from Kittle to be able to get there so.
That feels like it's going to get pretty sweaty at this point.
Yeah, it does. Just not really part of the what
they're doing right now. No.
Well, no one's a part of what they're doing because they're
not doing shit. They should try doing stuff
without. The MC still is, man.
Yeah, that's the only guy. He's got 10 carries and three
catches. The rest of the team have two
carries and four catches. The rest of the team has six
touches total. This isn't great.
And I mean, the Lions are gonna be pretty content to run it down
their throats. Yeah, Script's terrible for our
our underdog sweats. This is.
I mean, I'm happy for the Lions. Got that going for us?
I am too. Especially now that I'm kind of
a lion's history buff. David Montgomery is getting a
lot of run in this game. I know.
Throwing to him. He's 11.
Oh, who's the big? Guy that leaked out.
Pete, apparently you're 5th in the quarterback sneak.
Oh. Yeah, 7th,
What do you think? What do you think the spread
would open up at for Chiefs, Lions and over Under?
Chiefs by 6. Wow.
I don't think it'd be that high I.
Don't either. I think it'd be because the
Lions already beat. I think it'd be.
I think it would be over three. I think you're right.
I think it'd be 3 1/2. That sounds right to ME3.
And a half. Yeah, maybe you're right.
Which is. I mean, the difference between 3
1/2 and 5 1/2 is, you know, notoriously not that big.
Yeah, everyone, the chat's all saying 2 1/2, four and a half
four, so I got a little spicy there.
But and then over under, it would have to be less than this
game, right? It's probably like 48 or
something. I don't think it'll come in at
like higher than this one, which was what?
Although in tracking the over unders for the Lions games the
last few weeks, I think it's just the Lions are driving that
because their D is so bad. Every one of their games goes so
high scoring. If you go look at like their
last however many games, they haven't held A-Team under 17
points since they're bi in week 9.
And the Lions and that's the the Broncos scored seventeen against
them. Every other team scored 20.
Plus, despite the fact that they're winning most of these
games, like, it's kind of crazy. Like they win while giving up
twenty points every week. Every single week.
Like. Bonkers.
You'd think at some point they'd win a game where they held
A-Team to seven points or something.
You know, like those games happen too, But not for Detroit,
even like the Bucks. Last week it was 3123, the Rams
the week before 2423. So I don't know.
Yeah, I mean, maybe 48. I don't think it would get any
lower than 48. Maybe.
Maybe still being at 50. Yeah, I could.
I could definitely see 50. Pete, they want to know about,
they're saying the AZ trip. My understanding is, was it
Arizona? Did you go to Arizona?
Yeah, Underdog is running back the content house in Arizona
because it was like super hard to get spaces in Vegas.
Is it open to the public? I do not believe so.
We're going to be doing a few things like we're going to go to
the Waste Management I think one day again, but I don't believe
there's any public events. If there is, I will.
I'll put it out on Twitter. Lens So you guys are going to
watch the. Super Bowl at the at the house.
Yeah, that's what we did. That's what we've always done,
even when it's in the same city. So it's almost like for our
purpose, it doesn't even matter that.
It's the It's just like a weekend to get together that
makes sense. I think we're going to a Sun's
game on Thursday night too, which should be fun.
Nice. That's cool.
It is great. Like all of those, the teams
that have lit up the Lions. I mean, Nick Mullins went Nuke
on this defense. What was it?
Twice? And now Brock can't get going.
It's like, what the fuck man? Right.
At home too. I know.
Yeah, this is. Oh my God.
Third and 1012 you're gonna see. That's why you have Jamir Gibbs
on the field. Third and 12 converts on a hand
off that David Montgomery gained 7 yards on.
They were waving the white flag on this one.
This is crazy. I can't believe they just gave
up a first down on 1/3 and 12 draw play.
Where? Where are the Niners?
That was a sick run. Yeah, he's so.
Gibbs is good, man. I think if if you guys think
like Gibson and Kyron are going to be kind of a choice in a lot
of drafts next year, 'cause I'm think I'm clicking Gibbs every
single time. Yeah.
I would click Gibbs every time on that I so I haven't seen any
drafts yet. You guys talked about ADP.
I was trying to go into underdog to look at like they.
Don't have any. They don't have any yet.
He even posted his ranks which I was kind of using like an ADP
type of type of check on where what I was thinking about.
Wow, the sack out of field goal range.
But I do think like and we'll see where the market comes in on
this. But I think there if Hayden's
ranks are close to ADPI think there'll be some pretty easy
fades with some of the dustier running backs like Saquan and
stuff. If they're if those guys are
anywhere near the second round. There's just so much risk before
free agency in the draft with those guys.
And I mean even if. Where where was Tyrant?
Like 1-2 turn. Oh God, that's such an easy fed.
Yeah, I I'm having a tough time with Kyron, 'cause I he would be
more. I mean, he kind of checks like a
lot of the fade boxes. He's.
He can return value on that but like.
He to me, you said. Earlier you said that there was
someone else you mentioned was the most fragile.
ADP Kyron to me has been the most fragile.
They have to add running back depth like this is not about
whether they like Kyron or not. He did get hurt.
He went on IR. They had to go sign Daryl
Henderson and use Henderson and Royce Freeman.
They're going to draft them, and they didn't like Zach Evans.
I don't think they're going to, like, spend a bunch of money on
a big name running back, 'cause they don't, they have, they have
a lot of holes. They haven't had a lot of draft
picks, but they're going to add another running back this
offseason in some form. Yeah, I also think that the
problem with Kyron, like when you want, when you're drafting
guys with a lot of draft capital, I think you want to
think about like what kind of what your your outs are.
If what if this dude you know is nursing an injury, how much does
that hurt? Like if CM CS nursing an injury,
and I know CM CS different, but like, yeah, we don't care that
much because he could. He's so deadly as a receiver, he
doesn't need every single snap. He probably gets every single
snap when healthy, but he doesn't need it.
And we have a large sample size of him, not seating. 3rd and 18
the Niners are Their defense is playing like shit.
Are you telling me they picked this up right now?
They're they're lying next? Oh my God.
How wide open? Middle of the field.
Alban Ross St. Brown.
Who the fuck are you guarding? That's crazy.
You know, that's his, like, you know, that's the whole.
Play. That's that's their guy.
That's their fucking guy. Third and 18.
Why is he running in the middle of the field wide open?
What are you doing? Well, and and that's why Gibbs
is just such a nice click. Like when you think through the
worst case scenario, I mean we already basically saw the worst
case scenario for him, which was being in like a dead even
timeshare and losing goal line touches.
Like that's we we've already seen the the worst.
We already lived run out for him.
Yeah, yeah, right. Yeah.
And it's not that bad of a run out.
He did benefit a little bit from Monty missing some time.
That was when he had some of his biggest games.
So you could say that that if Monty stays healthy, Monty's
still going to be there. He sent a multi year deal right
Monty? 'S proper at this point, though
Monty's. Like, no, yes, Yeah, sure.
They're not going to add anything to that backfield at.
All they're not adding anything. And you know what?
You know, you're, you know he's better than the other guy.
You know, you know they're not going to add anybody.
You know that specifically. He's much better as a receiver
you're you know you're going to have to deal with him getting
sniped at the goal line still next year for a lot.
But you also know that we're Montgomery to miss any time.
Gibbs is probably going to be projected as like the the
running back two that week behind McCaffrey.
So it's just like it's a really it's that's to me like he's and
someone asked about them losing Ben Johnson.
Yeah, that. That's not great, but.
They're not gonna lose it. There's only two openings left
and the Seahawks are reportedly really in on Mike McDonald.
So then it just comes down to the Commanders.
I mean, maybe they do lose him to the.
Command let's let's see they let's say they do.
Dan Campbell is an offensive head coach.
I don't know if people realize that he was a tight end and came
up under Sean Payton like he's not.
I know he's a rah, rah and everything, but he's not a
defensive mind. He's an offensive guy.
I think he's the guy who installed Ben Johnson.
He gave up play call of duties to Ben Johnson.
I think you know he's he's also been I think one of the things
that Dan Campbell's done well is empower other smart people and
you know I I would, I would hope that he would.
I know you, you know, really good offensive coordinators
don't grow on trees, but I don't think that.
He's not going to bring in Arthur Smith.
He's not going to bring in Arthur Smith And like, I think
Dan Campbell's fingerprints are on this offense to some degree.
Like, this isn't just the Ben Johnson show here.
Even though losing him, I definitely think it would.
Harden. I love that.
Take all that. Dude, it's pretty crazy looking
like Brock Purdy passing yards has gone up 30 yards from where
we took it at the start of the game, which I I understand the
script and stuff, but that's still kind of wild to me with
how blood. He's looked, he's not looked
good, but. Oh my.
Oh my God. Oh, it was Gibbs.
I thought that was Almond raw. Goff has a wide open Gibbs in
the end zone and misses him. Well, this play is going to be
less exciting than it would have been.
Oh, where's the throw? At Wow he did this and then they
did a they did a zoom in on his mouth and he goes fuck.
Wow, dude. God.
I'm gonna. Rossi Brown is so good.
Another third down conversion. I'm sorry I'm ruining this for
you. What are you gonna say, Pete?
Montgomery's going over 91 rushing yards, right?
He's at 60 right now, I. Don't know it's still 30 yards
and 1/2. I know you don't want to root
for David Montgomery. Right.
What's Gibbs number at that? That he might get me excited.
He's same. Thing 3030 from where he's at
right now. So they have a meeting.
Remember when I floated in the chat?
Any any Gibbs stuff you guys like?
At least you know what I. Was going to do.
Stuff. He's like Gibbs receiving and
he's got one touch for four yards.
He hasn't done anything through the air at all.
He would have, hey, he would have got hit him on that pass,
huh? That's right.
He would have. That would have been sick, yes.
I specifically would have taken us down.
The wrong path. Oh, what a.
Bad overthrow. I can't.
Believe. I mean those third on
conversions are so huge too for the competitiveness of this game
because the Niners could have got last drive here and the
Lions were able to navigate the clock perfectly to where, I mean
the Niners have have sort of used their timeouts to try to to
extend the clock. But this is it.
This is the last drive because of those three third down
conversions, two of which were longer than 10 yards, one was
third and eighteen, one was third and 12 or whatever.
I mean like what they're executing this perfectly.
This drive is 15 place, 65 yards to take the half out.
I mean that's. So.
Who? Who got the ball to start?
Lions did, but I mean, Niners needed something before half and
after half. Now they're going to go down 3
scores, you know. That's nuts.
If they could have held them to a long field goal, try with two
minutes left and gotten last drive, You have a different
scenario going into the second-half, but Lions are going
to potentially put this game away.
I I've taken, I've, I've gone away from the comments.
I'm sitting here with Nick in the private chat, so this isn't
spoiled for me. Are they going to go for this?
I mean, I'm spoiling everything. I apologize.
Well, I no, you didn't this time though, do you Do you think
they're going for it? They still have golf on the
field. Wow, I think they should kick
this. They can kick this even though
we have a badgeley under. Badgeley Under is about to die.
They did just bring Badgeley on and it is about to die.
Wow, I thought Dan Campbell was a leader of men.
It actually probably makes sense to kick this field goal.
Like if you're 49ers fan, you're kind of hoping they go for it
and you stop them, right? Like the field goal you're not
loving. I just can't get over a 16 play
drive with multiple third down conversions longer than 10 yards
to run the entire quarter out ends up being a 17 play drive
with the field goal. What an.
I mean that that possession like you have a really good first
half, but a lot of teams lose a little bit of that right before
the break. That possession right there,
that field goal possession is fucking massive to their chance
to actually win this game. They they they are huge
favorites now. I mean, that was awesome.
All right. Oh yeah, damn shit.
I want nothing to do with Brock Purdy higher than 307 passing
yards, I'll tell you that. I don't want.
To I don't want to double down and I don't want to go against
our initial rooting entrance it, but that's just too much.
Yeah, for sure. I don't.
I I like both of the Detroit rushing stuff.
I mean, they're just running so well right now.
Let me get a refresh on this. Give us the refresh.
Oh, oh. Oh.
There's a bunch of flags then. I mean, Ray McLeod got loose on
the return. He was trying to run it back,
but they they they got some holdings.
It looked like he might have a chance to to get a seam and he
ended up getting tripped up, but he got through the first couple
waves of defenders. That would have been huge.
It's all refreshing. What?
What are you What were you saying, Pete?
What are you thinking? I like the Lions rushing stuff a
lot. Both of them.
I'm in, yeah. Should we?
Should we work? Kind of.
Interesting. We could do both.
Should we do them together or should we do like a little build
that we do both ways with Gibbs and with Monty?
I mean, I think they're probably I.
Mean they they. They're probably playable
together. You says you're kind of
positively correlated. I almost feel like, yeah.
And then I'm fine playing Niners passing stuff through other ways
than. Than Purdy.
And Brock, I mean like the 38 1/2 for Kittle.
Debo's at what right now? Once I can see it.
Oh, here we go. All right, we're up again.
So. Debo's the best #55.
He's 13 yards lower than Ayuk, but he's currently 10 yards
higher than Ayuk, so they're putting him 23 yards less in
terms of the just the second-half.
Yeah, I like that. That's a good call.
I mean, this is a core isn't bad?
The Debo, Gibbs, Montgomery, they just got 30.
Let me lock this one in as a core.
No correlation dock 'cause we're playing both running backs
together, yeah, but that does probably correlate to a degree.
I mean, that's Lions maintaining possession and, yeah, holding
ball, all that stuff. What if we did one of, like I
do? Kind of like the idea of doing
just like one of them with two Niners.
If the Niners have the ball a little bit more than the Lions
do and both their running backs can't hit that do.
So maybe just do a couple three leg ones.
Yeah, maybe like the Monty and Debo with like a McCaffrey TD or
the Gibbs and Debo McCaffrey TD or something.
I didn't think we used to get half time spices I.
Don't think we did. Yeah, 1.25 on Kittle, Iuke and
Debo. Oh, that's interesting.
I think I like the Debo Spice the most 'cause you can get some
rushing equity, right? Yeah, just a.
Just a. Bummer.
Then. Then you can't use his receiver,
yeah. We can't use that.
Jameson One catch. Laporta, they're putting at He
needs 19 yards. The the one concern for the way
the second-half could go that I would have is that the Niners
that the Lions get a little bit overly conservative.
The Niners actually get some the Niners.
If the Niners could run a lot more place than Detroit in the
second-half, that's if this game were to somehow get competitive
again, right? Yeah, I mean just taking CMC
scrimmage yards as always. Yeah, I think I like it.
He's gonna get plenty. He's gonna get.
Plenty. He needs 59.
Receiving. Well both both are fine but
isn't that receiving number like?
They're gonna keep, they're gonna keep running like that.
They don't have another gear. That's the whole problem with
the 49ers. They have to keep doing their
49ers stuff. For sure, but that's why I kind
of like having the out on the rushing too.
If he gets all sixty of those with the rushing plus receiving,
you're telling me he's not getting 27 receiving yards to
get those sixty? I think he's getting more
receiving than rushing probably, right.
Just like the based on the on the lines, I agree.
Yeah, I I hear what you're saying for sure.
It's just that they start to get so spooked by Purdy's play that
they are just running. It they just run it, yeah, they
just come out and they just run, run, run, and they go, you know?
And he could just hit for a long run too.
Like he he hits for 50 yard runs sometimes.
I mean, that could happen for sure.
Yeah. I mean, and the way, you know, I
could definitely see the 49ers losing this game, 'cause they
like, you know, they score. Yeah, they they almost tie it
up, but they just run out of time, 'cause they just kind of
just do their thing. Both Gibbs and Monty need about
30 rushing yards. Gibbs actually wound up with two
more carries in Monty in the first half.
I think it's a little bit because of the two-minute drill,
and Monty does feel like the plus script guy, but oh, Gibbs
only needs 25. Yeah, they just.
I feel like that updated, yeah. I think I like his more.
They're still using Gibbs and he can get an explosive run.
What if we did the Debo Spice 2 instead of the SO the McCaffrey
Yards, Gibbs Yards and the Debo Spice as a three.
Yeah. I like that.
It's up to A7. Look at that.
Keep it. What do you got?
Oh, did they pull the spice? They pulled the spice let.
Me see? What spice is not nice?
Damn, dude. Dude, right before we could
click it, they still have the Iuke.
They have they. Get.
Hammered negative spice on. The the TMC.
That's amazing. How is it?
How are you giving us negative spice?
How does that even work? That's amazing.
So I just throwing Debo's receiving yards again, or I
don't, I mean. Unless you guys want to try to
get go get the IUK TD Spice. Look at that Almond Raw Spice
22.25. That seems crazy, right?
That's a That's a mistake. I like that one.
That one's fun. I'm locking that in guys.
We're we're locking that. That has to be a mistake, right?
I mean, I think they're thinking they're going to run so much
they're leading. They might not score a lot of
TV's and if they do, they'll run it in.
But I I agree we want to play that at that price.
We. Do and and the 2.25 is outrage
like 1.25 for debo. IU can kittle in 2.25 for a man.
RA is nuts. Yep, I love it.
It I mean, Dan Campbell is smart enough.
Obviously they kicked the field goal there, which it seems like
we all think was the right move. But, like, they're not just
gonna completely go into a shell with this offense.
Like they're gonna they know no lead is safe against this.
Team No, we just we just played that as like it's a pretty back
and forth second-half. Both teams run a lot of place,
McCaffrey and Gibbs go over and Aminos scores TD.
That's not hard. To ever take the foot off the
gas, which is very lions, you know they sometimes get too
conservative but I feel like this is could be a spot where
they where they don't where they keep their foot on the gas.
So I like that we have a couple different different paths.
One second. Sure stuff.
I'll drop this in the discord. I'll be curious if that.
It's still up. I kind of want it.
Do you guys want to do this with anything else?
The Aman RAW, did we have it with 'cause we did it with the
Gibbs? Do you guys want to do it with
the Montgomery and? With Montgomery the.
Debo. Yeah.
I just like think that number's so.
Good. I love it.
Yeah, this is our last one of the year let's fire.
True. Yeah, let it.
Let it rip. Oh, they did put the Debo back
up, but for this one with the Aman RAW.
What if we just did both spices have to hit both touchdowns in
the second-half? If you.
Want you could do that for 50 or as a great man once did.
We have a little. It's it's 60.8 versus 13.5.
Yeah, maybe we just finished reproving.
Here I'll split it 'cause I was going to do 100 anyway, so I'll
just split it. I love it.
I'm going to grab a little water, but I love that.
All right. There we go.
All right. Steady lads deploying more
capital for deployed. Love it.
Man, Chiefs Lions Super Bowl would just be so crazy.
I know it really would be. I'm I'm honestly, I have to say
as as much so would love to see the Lions win the Super Bowl.
Them beating the Chiefs and then having to eat crow on on Liam
calling the Lions a a dynasty. Oh my God, I I forgot about that
angle. It is funny all the different
subplots with the the Super fans in our orbit.
You do have to remember the chess Liam Dynasty call for the
lions, the and. The bears.
The bears? One didn't age quite as well.
Yeah, we're going to Apple chasing again guys.
Oh. Dude.
Ben. Gretch, he's about to fucking
delete an Apple. Guy would hate to be an Apple
right about now. I bet the Niners are feeling
like an apple at Ben Gretch's house.
Dan Campbell's biting kneecaps. Well, Ben Gretch is biting into
apples. He's already halfway through.
He does. He gets after an apple.
Apple chasing? I told my wife about that.
I was like, it was the weirdest thing.
I don't know why. And she's like, let me see what
you did. So I I pulled up the video.
She was really on chat side. She was like, that wasn't for
you. What?
Are. You doing That's the worst, man.
You just try to show your significant other.
Some get them on your side and then they're on the chat side.
They're on Chat's team. What's up, man?
It's a tough look when when she sides with the chat.
Is your marriage over? If she's Montgomery over Gibbs,
that could be. That could be trouble for you
guys. She's like, that is pretty high
yards per carry. That's what we really need.
I mean now that underdog's into the, you know, ancillary, you
know, numbers game because they had the Gill Shootout.
You know, we got to bet on Peter Jennings and and Jack settlement
in the shootout. I mean, who says no to?
Kind of like a Kobayashi type hot dog eating contest with
Gretch and a bushel of apples? Yeah, I was wondering why you
were so comfortable firing, but I forgot you won all that money
betting against your buddies. Yeah, I'm rich in haterade over
here. That was pretty funny the I
watched the clip of them discussing Jennings form.
Before. Beforehand.
Roasting it. Yeah, that's pretty good.
That guy, the guy who won. It's funny because I had seen a
video of him on TikTok like, well before this contest was
even announced. And he's like a dead, like his
life is devoted to just shooting.
Like, I saw a tour of his house and he has like all these
various hoops throughout his house and he has his own, like,
I think it's like a barn that he converted into a gym and he just
shoots all day. Like his entire life is just
shooting. He's who Peter Jennings wants to
be when he grows up. And yeah, so it it wasn't too It
wasn't like quite this crazy underdog story to me, in fact.
Like this guy's. Devoted his life into being a
sharpshooter. But it is kind of cool because
he has, you know, this weird form.
But man is, he's devoted. I didn't.
I didn't actually see who won. So they.
So he's not. He's not, has he?
Did he play basketball like at any at college or anything?
I do not think so. He's like 5-9 and has a ponytail
like he doesn't. Look like a.
Hooper. And he he does the like
shoulder, yeah, it's like a shot put, the shot put thing going
on. Yeah.
And he's going to shoot out with Gilbert Arenas and all these
guys and wins it, yeah. Why?
That's crazy. I saw the guy like taking a few
shots and I was like, I was like, this is the winner.
And I was like, weren't there NBA players in that?
Yeah, Hey, what I thought, you know, maybe I'm not giving him
enough credit because they did. Do you know, varying distances
too? You know how they had like the
long jumper, the college 3, the NBA 3 or whatever.
So that does take, you know, there are guys who probably just
can drill, you know, college threes, you know that's the what
they always practice on and like going 2 steps forward is almost
as hard as going 2 steps back like when you're used to that
memory on that. And it increases the, like, the
sample size. They had to shoot a lot of
shots. Yeah.
How did he win? I'm just like, that's amazing.
Guys got a good shot. I thought there was a lot.
I saw a lot of talk. The reason I got into this, I
saw a lot of talk from our buddy Jennings and his gatherer with
his Achilles tear and how he has to go right left.
And there was a lot of discussion on Twitter about it,
'cause they were kind of clowning on him on like one of
their podcasts. Cause like it's an opposite way
to do it. But he does it, 'cause of his
Achilles. I thought though, 'cause he
looked what I thought he was going to crush.
He he ended up going under his number right when I saw he
struggled. Which, I mean I've I've watched
him do shooting props before. I mean he's he's very good.
But yeah, I mean I don't I I, I haven't actually heard what he
said happened to him at the event.
But it seemed like he had a pretty rough day.
That's bum. Yeah.
And there's also the thing, not saying that like Jennings, you
know you can't withstand the pressure, but there's also a
pretty big difference when you are in a gym and there's cameras
in NBA players and a crowd, and it's being live streamed to
30,000 people, you know, watching live.
I mean, it definitely ratchets up the amount of pressure.
All right. Can we get a?
Can we get a fun game? Yeah.
Oh, we got Greg Olson on this call.
We're missing a Greg Olson game. I am a fan of Greg Olson.
I've had some people tell me they don't like him.
I think he's good. There's the big announcer drama
because he's the number one guy this year and got kind of
elevated to the number one at Fox when Troy Aikman and and Joe
Buck went over to ESPN for Monday Night Football.
But Tom Brady signed the huge contract with Fox and it's like
they're not going to pay him that kind of money to not have
him be the number one Fox broadcast in the spot that that
Aikman used to be in. But Olsen's been really good and
so it's like they didn't really, I think they anticipated Brady
would be that next guy. But Olsen's been that guy.
And Brady took this year off from from Broad.
He didn't. He just took the year off from
playing or broadcasting, but has this contract waiting for him.
It's kind of fascinating. I thought that was such just a
crazy leap. Again, I'll set aside like, what
Brady does for ratings itself and him being a draw.
I'm not going to argue that whatsoever, but just assuming
that he will be an entertaining and above average commentator, I
mean, like that's a that's a leap like people don't realize.
Sure, some people have, you know, an innate skill set for
that, but then a lot of it is reps and practice.
And I I'm not convinced he could just walk in and be interesting
immediately. Who?
What? What care is he going to be
with? Well, that's the other thing
he's talking about. Yeah, maybe he would take what?
Maybe he would be with Kevin Burkhard, who's like earned the
right to be the number one play by play guy, but like Olsen is.
Olsen's awesome Olsen's the best guy in the.
That's what we were talking about.
Oh, Debo already hit. Let's.
Go first. I mean first, first pass or, I
don't know, second and two, they just went from the 331720 about
25 yards. What did he mean?
Like. 20-30, maybe 23. Maybe maybe I'm wrong?
Let me look, he's up to 47. Did he need?
OK, so he's a little. He needs a little more.
Yeah, he needs to get to 56 1/2 but he.
Needed thirty. He was at 21 and needed to get,
but still he got about 25. Oh, and the 2nd next pass goes
to him too. All right.
Well, now he's there. I love it.
I love. I love when we hit the stuff.
So right away, yeah, so we were like, that was our first thing
we saw was the Debo yards. Well, we did the the Lions
rushing the first thing on the the San Fran's side.
It's funny because the first one we grabbed it at, he's now hit
'cause he's at 56. But the the second one or it
ended up being the final one we did, we we got it at 56 1/2 so.
We need. One more receiving.
Yard in. That last one, but the thesis
was sound. Oh, then they did a reverse to
Debo. Is it rush yards plus receiving?
Oh, he lost yards, so hopefully it's not.
Dude, that's why. Kind of like the CMC Debo stuff,
you know, it makes so much sense, right?
Because it's like these guys can move the ball without asking
Brock to do much, and we're terrified to have Brock, Brock
drop back in fast eye. You can kittle right now.
For sure that was. We talked about that a little
bit, I think, before you got on. But like, we were talking about
how the Lions are so bad in the in in the splash show.
But it's like, will the Niners after last week trust Purdy to
even throw in that area? And they they've tried it a
little bit. But I think partly, especially
starting the second-half year, they're like, no, we're done
with that shit. Purdy's gonna game.
Manage. Oh, what the fuck was that play
I? Really wish I wasn't so.
No, I it's now I'm starting to get tilted that I'm so far
behind. Why not that far behind them,
like 30 seconds? Oh, nice play.
Are you guys both behind? I'll just stop.
I'll just be at your guys's pace.
No, I honestly don't mind the ambiguous spoils like you just
did. I like that.
I don't mind that at all. Puts your eyes to the to the
game a little. Bit play were you reacting to
when you said what the fuck was that play?
Juwan Jennings party rolling left and throwing back over the
middle, which I thought was like that's gonna get picked and then
Juwan Jennings making A1 handed catch like that whole that whole
thing. Was very weird to me.
We did 1 1/2 catches for him. Are we still alive on that one
for? Yeah, because it's the the one
that was dead is with the Batchley was just the CMC point.
So we need one more Jennings catch and we need, I mean we
need a lot, but we need Brock IUK and then the CMC receiving
TD is the big spice on that one that we need.
Oh, that's right. So that's the one with the CMC
receiving TV. Got it?
Yeah, we hit that. They don't even have Jennings on
the field here. They got use check.
What dude? Brock Purdy.
You can see that the game is moving too fast for him right
now. Like that design was a A use
check motion. And I was like, is that play
going to go to him in my head that he looks downfield and
clearly is never going downfield, does kind of a little
shoulder pump and goes right to use check and it's like I'm only
ever going to go there, but there's a defender there and he
just sort of like floats it like it's a good, it ends up being a
throw away, but that looks scary.
Like it could have been a pick. Like he's done that before and
left it on the field of play and it gets picked off.
Oh, next throw is just, oh man, Jennings is hurt.
Next throw is just a crazy bad throw.
He's not doing it. Oh, I thought I just missed a
field goal in the first half, too.
That. That's a bummer just for the
competitiveness of this game. It would have been nice if they
made that. What are you going to?
Say just that I'm so far behind that you're actually breaking
down what happened as I'm watching.
You're like, here's the thing, so use checks.
You're going to see, use check, go in motion.
I'm like I am seeing that man use check's gonna come back
around like. Man.
I mean, I I think I should just pause it and be on where you
guys are at. I'll just not pay attention to
the chat either. Let's see.
All right, I just hit play. I just thought.
The field goal goes through. I'm still ahead of you, Pete.
Where are you at? I just saw the field goal too.
Oh, man. All right, I'm going to pause
it. I'm already on the first
commercial. Tell me when you get on the
first commercial. No.
Now, Yep, Pat and I are the exact.
Same. All right.
I'm where you guys are now. Man.
Jake Moody, Field goals. Do you know what I'm kind of
surprised on Despite, you know, I I in my head that they, the
Lions have been running a ton and Goff's already at 20 pass
attempts. We had that at 35 1/2.
Yeah, that is interesting. I thought I was going to look
and it was going to be like 16, but he's on a on a good pace to
get there. I mean, I can't believe I'm glad
they got points and it's 14 now, but they have to get a stop now.
They they had to settle for a field goal there.
Yeah, not great, Bob. You get a big play, you want to
go get the TD, but you got pretty just like can't do
anything. Man, Chiefs Lion Super Bowl
would be so wild. It is crazy because the
discussion on Purdy all year was about, you know, MVP, but then
also about is he a system quarterback or does he add to
the system. And a lot of people have been
like, you have to give him credit for adding to the system.
He's not just the system quarterback more than everyone
else. And that's I think true.
I'm not. I'm not like I'm doing a little
voice there. I'm not trying to like mock that
too, too much. Alex Smith just said it this
week. He was.
He had a funny comment where he said Schefter tweeted it out
that Alex Smith called himself the president of the System
Quarterback Club or whatever. He's like as the honorary
president. Rock Purdy is not a System
quarterback. But yeah, so the chats, getting
to where I'm going, like I'm starting to wonder if he's not
the guy, right? Like he was the 7th round pick.
You haven't given him a big contract or anything.
At what point are we talking about him?
Not actually even like being the guy all next season?
Like how long is the leash? What if he struggles into next
year? I mean, I think that's.
That's. Jumping He was #1 in EPA per
play and success rate by like a a lot.
But. I think it to, to Gretch's
point, it would be a very fascinating discussion if they
had like somehow a top five pick in this draft.
Yeah. Or if he was two years, 'cause
he's in his second year. So if he was, if this was two
years from now, then I think it's a lot more interesting,
'cause then it's like, Oh my God, we have to give this guy a
contract. But they don't.
They just gonna run it back. What about what if like,
something comes up with that elbow, like, so he had a
partially torn UCL and then he played through it.
Maybe he's had some late season fatigue in his elbow.
Is that part of this? Like he's looked terrible the
last two games, like? Two games looked really bad,
yeah. He's missed a lot of throws.
Like, I'm wondering if he has an arm issue right now.
Like, that's how bad that throw to JA Juan Jennings over the
middle just now was like nowhere near where it needed to be.
Yeah, Chad's actually making an interesting point that maybe Sam
Darnold gives him a better chance to come back and win in
this game like that. Would Sam Darnold have to play?
Well, I don't know that. I think Sam Darnold would be a
disaster compared to Purdue to be.
Honest, it might be a disaster. I think we've all rehabbed to
see Sam Darnold a little bit too much.
I I think. The way he's, you know, if you
had like two pick sixes or something, but the fact that
it's just been missing throws like his leash is still very
long, right? Now, yeah, it is.
The team all really rallies around him.
They like him. I don't think you can bench him,
but it's an interesting conversation, at least about who
actually gives him a better chance to win.
Well, especially if. If you're on the sidelines for
the Niners and you're saying, OK, our defense cannot stop shit
right now, at some point we're gonna have to air it out.
We're gonna have to make some big plays.
Like Brock is going to have to make some throws.
Right. And he's not like the reason
they had to kick a field goal on that drive when they already had
a big hit is, I mean on 3rd, 3rd and eight.
He can't even get anywhere near Juan.
Jennings is relatively open on that play and he can't even get
anywhere near him. I I mean The thing is pretty, I
mean pretty is he is a system quarterback but I think he's a
pretty good system quarterback and his The thing is like he's
on a seventh round rookie deal. So like like, yeah, he's not
going to do every like, if you if the gamescript gets away from
him, you're kind of screwed. But this team's supposed to have
an awesome defense and they they're just letting the Lions
carve them up like you will. This is the the formula that the
49ers have access to is 1, where they are elite everywhere else
except quarterback. And they're pretty good
quarterback because Purdy's just out playing his contract by a
shit ton. But they kind of have to hold up
their end on that and it's like you're yes, Purdy will not win
these games for you like that. He just won't do that.
But you got to have to pay for a guy who can you know and and pay
for it not just in money but but draft capital probably being bad
to get the draft capital in the 1st place.
Like yeah, I I I'm not like a pretty defender I don't think.
But you know he's I think he's pretty good for he's incredible
for what you're paying and then you have to use the extra you
know money that he opens up to cover up his his real
weaknesses. Dude, the Lions are just
resetting the offensive line every play of this drive.
Like David Montgomery. 6 yards, 7 yards, 5 yards.
And all of it is like yards before contact.
Montgomery's 1212 yards away from clearing his second-half
number. He's at 78 rushing yards.
We got it at 90.5. Pat, I did agree with your take.
I I kind of feel stupid Freeman suggesting benching him.
I think you have to play play pretty.
It's just, man, he has missed throws in this game and last
week it was bizarre too, and he had that game late in the
regular season. He's been really bad suddenly,
yeah. He's been bad the last few
weeks. Yeah.
Wow. You you like at this point you
have to treat him like he's like Mahomes or like, you know an
Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady. Like you would just never bench
this person like that's this is you know this is the way that
you win is he figures it out not by replacing him, man.
That's a sick Laporta TD if Goff hits him in stride.
Yeah, yeah, it's a tough throw. But man, should they bench Jared
Goff. I don't even know who.
Who is the Who's the backup lines?
QB I. Have no idea, no idea.
I don't think we've have we seen him at.
All this year, is it David Blau? Still remember that, dude?
I do. No, it's Teddy Bridgewater.
I just thought of it as I was clicking it up.
Yeah, they have. Teddy A ring.
That'd be fun. He in the preseason.
He was rocking #55. It's like you.
Can't be a quarterback rock 55 or #50 or something.
The Chiefs Lions is also the most fun for, you know, like
Showdown drafts, even pick em stuff.
Just 'cause they go so deep with like random wide receivers, you
probably get Khalif Raymond back for the Super Bowl.
That makes that, you know, little trio with Reynolds and
Jaymo even more interesting. Yeah.
They just got really cute there and put Almond on the backfield
but did a draw right up the middle.
They're. Going to go for this.
Luckily, our spice involves both rushing and receiving TDs for a
Monra. Nice.
Yeah, that was a total 4 down territory call on 3rd and five
because they were. They're going to cut it to 4th
and short. I I feel like this is almost a
must have stop for the Niners, man.
They can't. They haven't stopped the Lions.
They have to get a turnover on. They have to, they have to.
Yeah 'cause if they even a field goal on this drive is really
damaging, incomplete. Oh, they got it all right.
At least we have a little bit of a sweat and a little fun in this
game. Although it would be fun to see
the Lions win this. Oh, Josh Reynolds.
Just goth. Goth avoided pressure, stepped
up in the pocket. Yeah, that's like, kind of what
Goff's not supposed to be able to do all that well.
And he did. It yeah.
Threw it away from the defender in a spot where his receiver can
make him play, and it just bounced off his fucking arm.
Catch the ball. You're an NFL wide receiver.
It it never ceases to amaze me like, I don't know, some of the,
like some NFL receivers like, don't seem to have ball skills.
Not that this is true about Josh Reynolds, but it's like they
have really good athleticism and they've been a wide receiver
their whole life. But they were just like, don't
like, did you ever, have you ever caught a football before?
Have you ever played catch like? Yeah, Kadary's Tony, I think.
Kadary's Tony fits that. It's like, why are you trying to
catch like this? What are you doing?
I know that seems weird and I know a lot of people will be
like, you know, what are you talking about?
But I mean, I honestly think they're NFL receivers that don't
have really good hand eye coordination.
Some of them, Quinton Johnston, that cuts.
But it's true. It's not pretty amazing.
But. How?
Well, it seems with. 4 examples. I don't know why that's very
funny. It's.
Good. The It's pretty wild that how
well the Lions are playing. Golf only has 6.6 fantasy
points, he just has the 167 passing.
Wow, that is crazy. Yeah.
They're, I mean, they're so effective running the ball right
now that they've really gone away from the pass for a while.
They have more rushes in pass attempts right now.
I mean, a lot of teams that win by two touchdowns wind up there
because they run a lot late. But I mean, we're still very
much in the flow of the game and they have more rush attempts
than pass attempts. That was an interesting
decision. I mean, I get it going for it
there, but a 45 yard field will push it to 3 scores.
Yeah, the three score thing. Look at us before the game or
during the at the beginning, celebrating Dan Campbell being
our aggressive dig and then he goes for him like should have
taken the points bud. No, I think going for it makes
sense. And then you know your your
receiver lets you down. I mean, the quarterback steps up
like the play, like this is the 49ers, like, you need to, you
need to put a They'll get you. Man, Debo is so fun with the
ball on his head. Man, I'm telling.
It's that thing. He's like, if I just let Brock
Purdy throw the ball at the line of scrimmage where there's no
defenders around, how long can we get away with this?
But there's a lot of dudes that for sure.
But there's there's a separate point I was building on that.
There's a lot of dudes that are good after the catch.
Debo is just like, it's weird how how much better he is than
every other wide receiver like at at like Yak.
Like he's untackable. How is he so hard to tackle?
He's like the most untackable, so.
Different when he runs like he's got such a different, like kind
of. I mean, he doesn't even really
look like a running back when he runs, he looks, he just looks
different. He just looks like you're not
gonna be able to tackle him. It's like he's gonna he's like a
like a wrestler, like a not not like a WWF wrestler, like a high
school wrestler. Like he's so thick and sturdy.
He looks like a dude that could. I mean, but he's just like
you're not. I have such good balance.
I'm so. With crazy good balance.
Yeah, I'm gonna. Bounce off everything, Yeah.
And then I'm gonna accelerate. I'm gonna bounce off and
accelerate like it's. Wild.
The Marshawn Lynch wide receivers is a fun one.
I was just thinking Maurice Jones drew in my head like this
little bowling ball that used to, you know, also have the
acceleration. Guys, I think I have something
big coming up here. The chat's going nuts.
I'm not looking at the chat. Right now my.
Oh, get in. What's the flag?
I don't know.
DPII can't believe that Purdy hits the defender.
We got a game. If that's live, holy shit.
Hits the defender in the face mask and IU makes the play.
Oh my God, I'm behind live. What is that like no flag.
They're saying no flag. He was touchdown.
No flag. All right.
Wow. So he's touched in the air, but
not after he lands. That's a touchdown, right?
There's no. No, if he's going to the ground
and touched and he has possession.
It doesn't matter that he didn't have possession yet.
If he's like he actually is touched with possession, it
looks. Like he's touched with
possession on the way to the ground, like he's down.
I think his. Thigh pad got touched there on
that last angle that I I just saw.
I don't know what angle you guys are on.
Wow. They are looking at that.
It looks like it's thigh pad. Yeah, now they're doing a slow
ball on the thigh pad. Yeah, he definitely.
IUK up to 62 with 77 1/2 was the number we had and then Brock's
up to 204. Can we get ACMC passing TD?
They gave him ATD on the stats. I don't know if anyone else just
noticed this, but they had they have one passing TD for Purdy
right now and they had ATD on IUK for a catch.
That hasn't happened. CMC has a rushing TD.
That's all we have. That's an event.
Rock Party is not so touchdown in this game I.
Don't think we'll need to wait till Wednesday for that stack
correction. Man, there's been some wild
plays today. The Lamar.
Throw to. Himself.
What was that? What was that you?
Was that just a bad throw, 'cause it looked like how you
had the slam on that? It's hard to watch on a on a
phone when I'm used to watching it on like a 55 inch screen and
I can actually see what's happening.
Like, I know they didn't show a replay.
Usually I, you know, we need to catch a replay on the phone.
It looked like he had the inside leverage on that slant and it
was just a bad throw. But I can't really see the
freaking ball. Are you?
Catherine. Oh.
Tutty. Wow.
Let's go. All right, we got a game again.
Dude, I'm. I'm kind of trying to read
through the chat with my little comments about the slant because
it sounds like you guys didn't see it.
Did anybody in the chat see that slant that I'm talking about on
2nd down there? Like, was that just a missed
throw from Purdy? I'm actually, like, legit
curious about what happened on that play.
I didn't see the replay on it. But they didn't show a rebound.
Watch it. Oh, that's a good call.
It was second and eight. It looked like he had from.
The the goal line play, you're saying, right?
Yeah, the 1:00, the play immediately preceding the
touchdown, they're saying bad throw on the chant.
He was wide open. Agreed.
OK. It's hard to tell.
Yeah, I couldn't see where the ball went.
I'm gonna go back to. That's a great call.
I think it might have been tipped.
OK, everyone like, stop playing the ball.
That would make sense if it got tipped.
Yeah, there's a defender right at the line who jumps up right
as it's thrown and then it's kind of hard and then the ball
doesn't seem to go where you would expect.
All right, well, that. I mean, who knows how that drive
ends if we don't get that that bounce, but man.
Pretty throwing it off the guy's face.
It's pretty wild that we are in a 7 point game with a lot of
time in the third quarter right now.
I mean the Lions. Feels like they have just
thoroughly outplayed them. Yep, there's a lot of people on
chat saying they should have kicked the field goal.
Yeah, I I don't agree. They they that's like they not
only do I like the aggression, but they basically you know.
They had it. The guy dropped 4th and two.
Their their decision on 3rd and five was a run inside to set up
the 4th and two. I don't love the play calls.
You have third and five, and you give a inside hand off to
Amanron St. Browne.
Out of the back field. And then you throw to Josh
Reynolds on 4th and two. And when you've been pushing the
line of scrimmage every run, I mean, I how do you not give a
run to one of your two running backs on either of those plays?
They've been averaging like 5 yards before contact every
carry. I would have ran it on 4th and
two to David Montgomery. Even David.
Montgomery Yeah, I agree. Oh my God Ian hard it's with the
funniest tweet you did the the all caps at lowercase up down
like SpongeBob thing, he wrote. Brock Birdie is just a game
manager on that deep pass to forget how you got the 40 pass.
It's so good. Brock Birdie completes A50
yarder. I said we were due for a splash
play to Brandon Iuke. I'll take that's the.
Splash home the thesis, Kurane. The thesis, I said.
They were weak and splashed, and I didn't say specifically how,
but the defender let it bounce off his face mask.
He's they're not good in the splash is not good defense.
Is that good defense? That's.
Not good defense. Ben, are you now ahead of us
again or are you synced up? I might still be.
I might be ahead of you guys. That was a more fun drive.
I'm seeing a big score bug and then kick off right now.
Am I behind you? I think?
You're behind, yeah. I'm about to watch the Lions
first play. They just.
Lions hand off to Gibbs fumbles What?
Holy shit. Yeah.
He just Dairy 6 looked on its head.
No way. Wow, the good Dan Campbell's
face. Oh, dude, he has the wrong elbow
up there. He thought the handoff was
coming on the other side. He never has his ball.
You're supposed to have elbow up on the quarterback side.
He had the left elbow up and the ball he did have.
His ball though, He he. No, no, he grabs it.
Well, you're right, you're right.
But he then did tuck it away and then I don't know if he was sort
of discombobulated, but. Right.
I don't think it was ever really.
I don't think it was ever really tucked.
The reason you do that is then you you roll your arm over it
and you have it in your pocket. You know, the way that he did
it, he never has it in in his arm tucked the right way.
It's like. Yep.
That was weird because he knew he was on the left side of golf.
I have no idea why his left elbow was up.
That was this is crazy. It was 24 to 7 like 2 minutes
ago. Nuts.
Truly. It was 24 to seven with 11
minutes in the third. There's 5 minutes now, and the
Niners are about to tie. Like 6 minutes of game time
later, dude. Live line on this game is Niners
-3 1/2. Wow.
I think Purdy heard your
comments, dude. Bulletin Board material.
That's right, he got Jamir Gibbs to fumble.
Oh, Purdy's running look at Purdy trying to be Debo.
He ran right into Debo. He ran right into him.
I'm you. And he bounced off.
Everyone bounces off Debo. He lost 3 yards 'cause he ran
into TD. He had ATV.
If he doesn't hit Debo, don't, Just bounces off Debo.
That's great. Oh.
Debo, run, play. Get there.
Oh, am I about ahead of you? Guys, you're still you're way
ahead of me now. Oh damn.
I think I saw the play. You're like 10 seconds ahead of
me now, yeah? Me too.
All right, I just paused it and re snapped it.
I'm watching Debo walk off the field.
Me. Too.
Yeah. OK, damn man, what a turn of
events. That was almost our spice.
Oh yeah, I forgot the Debo Spice.
Caffrey God. God damn it, these rushing T DS.
And we don't even have a fantasy points live because of the
badgley thing. Yeah, we just have the one CMC
thing we have live other than the receiving TD spices we have
is 125 total scrimmage yards. Man, all tied up here in a SEC.
I mean, I was talking about on their first drive of the
second-half, why were they settling for a field goal to
just cut it to 14 like they needed the TD.
They got the stop because the Lions didn't kick the field
goal. They got the turnover on downs.
And even on the turnover and downs, I was like, if they don't
get this, this could be like, feels like game.
They get that turnover on downs, score a quick TD off on IU, face
mask, play, get a fumble and score another quick TD.
Like, what the fuck just happened?
That was. I mean, that's why football's
crazy. That was wild.
The turnover on downs. IU face mask play.
Gibbs fumble. Touchdown.
Second touchdown sequence. That was nuts.
That turnover on downs was was
with 7 minutes and three seconds in the third.
Or. That was when it was snapped
658. There is 3 minutes left in the
third. Now 4 minutes of game time.
They got that turnover on downs and scored two touchdowns with
like a clock third, third quarter, game time.
Like they run a lot of clock in the third quarter.
It doesn't stop as much. 10 plays, 10 total plays have
happened. That was wild.
Oh, this is going to be a fun, fun rest of the way.
It will, yeah. I will say like I I was
definitely on the team. I mean, not that he's done a
ton, but he's like played solid. But I mean golf is definitely
not melting on the road here. The whole Rd. golf outdoors,
tough defense. It's like.
No, it's a Reynolds drop and the.
Yeah. And the Gibbs fumble?
Yep. Yeah, that was.
Man, that was a nice throw to Reynolds.
It was. I guess now now it'll be.
Interesting, if I. I assume we're going to see a
lot of David Montgomery on this drive.
I think so. I think so.
I think that's a Montgomery drive.
Yeah, that's what Barnwell just tweeted out.
Dan Campbell going forward on 4th down on a play where the
Lions got a receiver open, did not cause a pass to bounce off
of Kendall Vildor's helmet or Jamir Gibbs to fumble.
Seems like an important thing to remember.
That's a good, that's a good take.
Is that really the guy's name? Kindle.
Vildor. The funny thing about that is
that it almost shows you why going for it was a good idea,
because things can change in a hurry.
Yeah, yeah. Getting that that, those seven
points there would have been pretty nice right about.
Now that's a fairpoint, but then I think the counter, the counter
argument is also somewhat valid where they're saying you got to
push it to three scores cause I mean people love.
Does anyone really care if they're up 2724 right now?
It's still. I think they do.
It may be. We talk a lot about momentum not
being real. I think the team cares if they
still have a three-point lead at this point and they can be like,
all right, we get a buckle down. We still have a little bit of
our lead left. Like at this point you're like
we're back to 00. That fumble feels way more
damaging if you're now tied as opposed to still on, you know,
in a position where you can tell you something leading.
You can tell yourself whatever you want, but if you're up 2724,
you're still loose. You're in basically the same
spot, I think you know, he played.
He tried to put the knife in the heart and slipped out of his
hand. I don't.
Yeah, it's. It's certainly shouldn't be
heavily criticized. There's an interesting
discussion about which of the two options was best, but it
shouldn't be heavily criticized. Wow, that was a sweat.
Catch, man. That was a so Laporta is the
quantum incomplete. What did so did we miss him?
Ball got Jarred out there. Oh wow.
Uh. Oh.
That's a good oh, I. Completely missed that 'cause he
was shielding us. In the end of the direction he
hit, the ball hit his hands and it looked like he was gonna
bring it in, but that defender came swiping in.
Nice play. Yeah, I wouldn't call it a drop.
Chad's calling it a drop. I wouldn't call it.
I mean, I don't know. Maybe it's.
Called a drop break up, that's. A That's a pass break up?
Exactly, yeah. He can't see the defender and he
had his hands on the ball and caught it.
And the defender, Oh, that's a drop.
That's a holy. Cow.
Dude, get Reynolds out of it. Dude.
He's blowing it. Wow.
The Lions. Pull this off.
We're going to be talking about Khalif Raymond a lot for two
weeks. After.
These cops? Jeez, that is so bad.
Man, he is really hurting them right now.
On the struggle boss. Goff is dealing man.
Yeah, Goff's playing awesome. What a boot.
Come on, don't blow this. They just blew it.
God, they're just every the execution is.
They're screwing everything up. Touchback.
Come on, Why are you being such an asshole?
I. Both of them were in, Both of
them were in. I hate punt gutters.
I have like an irrational hatred of punt gutters on those plays.
Like, they always want to be the guy to touch the ball and stuff.
Like, sometimes it doesn't even need to be touched.
And then it winds up being a touchback.
Just, 'cause they, like, want to do something and it's like just
fucking leave the ball there. Like, don't touch it.
Like, what are you doing? That one.
I mean, it wasn't really their fault.
He had to touch it. But it.
But he touched it very badly. There's a lot of plays where I'm
like, how is this what they're coached?
How what does he think he's doing?
What is happening like this? This could have happened better
than this. So bad.
Some special teams coordinator somewhere is like, that's the
next market inefficiency in the NFL, doubting punts effectively.
There's like plays where they're holding it when they're
obviously going to the end zone and they they wait till the last
second, 'cause they're like trying to stay in and then they
like try to throw it out and it's like the goal is just to
make the ball stop, catch it and put it on the ground
immediately. I mean and.
Here's the idea. Don't catch it when you're in
the end zone. Don't touch the ball when you're
in the end zone. I got used to that.
Let's see here how many attempts goth up to.
He's up to 26. I I feel pretty good about that
one at this point. Yeah, why don't you pull up our
core and? Yeah.
What we're looking for here, so we do we get IUK or we still
need more? Oops, let me.
Get my screen here. Where am I?
So we need more from IUK. We need 10 more yards, we need
70 more rock passing yards, and we need 10 more Jared Goff
attempts. I actually feel pretty good
about the core. Me too.
And then man, that's CMC. So we need one more Juwan and
then the CMC receiving TD. The fact that we have two CFC
tuddies without one of them being receiving just really
stiff I. Know.
I we on, off and on the clock on Friday we built a fun bomb here.
Spice bomb, Gibbs rushing Justice Hill higher than 2 1/2
receptions already hit and then it has golf over 260 passing
yards. Feel like he should get there
and then it's CMC receiving TD same as us.
And then the Laporta Rusher CVTD.
And this is like a total bomb here.
What? What is it?
What's? The Yeah, it.
Was it was 100 X? Yeah like 5 picks for for almost
10K, but yeah. I I feel good.
Woohoo Kyle. You use check check what.
A play. How many fullbacks in the league
not only have the hands to make that catch, but just kind of the
the awareness to? Toe tap and the ability to toe
tap that. Holy shit, that's a difficult
toe tap. I mean, I think the answer is
zero. Like that's he's like a.
Tight end doing that. Yeah, right now.
He's the only guy, and he, I mean, it's 'cause he's like that
hybrid H back tight end type that the true fullbacks are not
doing that. This is knuck and fuss.
At this point, this game. It sure is.
I mean, people are talking about like,
like the 49ers just just like stepped up in the second-half.
I'm seeing some takes like that. And it's like like Bleacher
Report tweeted that meme or that the guy's sitting back playing
the video games and then he sits up, you know, it's like 49ers in
the second-half, they sat up. It's like, no, no, no, the the
the Lions got him off the face mask and then fumble.
Like those are the those are the key Lions.
The Lions sat back. Yeah, they sat back.
Exactly. Man, I can't believe we're
already in the fourth quarter. I don't know if you guys saw
Murphy came, came in from that door there.
So I went and closed the door and then he just.
Busted open this door here he's just.
Been. I saw the door open, but I
didn't see Murphy, so I was in full ghost mode.
Now Murphy enjoys just kind of busting.
He hates when I have the doors closed to my office, so he just
usually just opens them up. It's like these should be open.
My cat does that, not, not the same thing, but she just fucking
claws at the door and at night time when I'm trying to sleep
and it's just pause on the door. So then I open it and then
she'll wake me up at 1:00 AM walking around on the freaking
headboard. She's a we found her as a stray
in early January. She was, they said, probably
about six weeks old. So late November was our
guesstimate. So she's 14 months old.
Nice. Yeah, still.
Still kind of little. Still got that kitten energy,
but definitely bigger, yeah? Where did you find her as a
stray in? Her backyard.
Wow. She came came like under our
fence and the street behind our house is like the it's not like
a it's like a neighboring house. It's a street and we have strays
in our neighborhood and she was so tiny.
She was like 6 weeks for kittens is still like like the at the
vet there. Like we usually don't have
people bringing strays this small.
Like we don't really know what happened.
My wife found a box on the other side of the fence.
So, like our one, one of our hypotheses is like, she was
literally dropped, like dropped off in a box, basically left,
which is kind of weird. Wow.
But the other strays in the neighborhood, like, we don't
know who else could have had her because the there was one other
one that was pregnant at the time, but she couldn't have done
it. The others are like male, one of
them spayed. It's like maybe not a stray,
obviously, Like it's somebody's outdoor cat or something that's
like always in our yard. It's kind of weird, but we took
her in, we she didn't have a like a chip or anything.
We tried to like find like we didn't hear anything, so we
ended up keeping her so. That's cool.
Yeah. All right.
Let's get let's win some pickums, I believe.
I believe what we want is a big pretty drive with lots of IU
capped off with ACMC receiving TD.
Believe that's where our interests are.
Let's do it all right. I like that.
That sounds right. We honestly don't even need that
much IUK 10 yards. Kid will finally do something.
There's a big kid will play. It helps the party numbers I.
Mean 245. It's super cliche to be like,
oh, he's a safety blanket. But like, Brock Party actually
looks good when he's throwing the ball to George Kittle and he
looks bad when he's throwing to everyone else.
Like that Looked like a really good throw.
Like just keep throwing to that. Guy, I mean.
We don't even have any kittle, but it's weird that they haven't
used him at all. You know, like, really, last
last week he was like their main, their main guy, right?
He had a better, better game than Iuke last week, right?
Yeah, I think he had more yards, right?
Yeah, he was. He had, he had four catches for
81 and Iuke had three for 32 and Kittel had the TD.
So I just, yeah, I mean, I thought that was gonna carry
over into this game a little bit.
This is a tense ass. Game like it.
Is you got oh, they just burnt a time out.
You can't just waste time out in a 2424.
Game He's never played Madden. Dude, that's that's the.
That's. That's the deal.
It's.
So. Everything about that quarter
was bizarre. I can't.
Believe giving up a time out there.
Wow. Purdy's got some rushing ability
all of a sudden. He doesn't.
Look bad as a runner? He doesn't.
That's pretty good in the pocket, yeah.
Little sidestep all. Right, this this feels like
where we could get the McCaffrey touchdown.
Huh. That.
'D sure be nice. OK.
That helps us, I think. Yeah, looking at a Mccaffrey's
screen, maybe in the next play. I feel like Shanny's just like
licking his chops to fucking roll out Moody.
Second down, he started thinking about the field goal.
It's both Moody and Kyle Shannon are on the side saying hold me
back trying. To.
All right, CMC. Split.
No, no. What is that hurdy?
Shannon just calling. He's like no protection place so
we can get Moody out there. Man.
What is that? That's literally it's saying,
Jake Moody. And I mean, The thing is, after
you already take the 2 sacks, 1/3 sack isn't that big of a
deal because they wouldn't have gotten out of field goal range.
They were in that sweet spot where like, even if you lose
another seven or eight yards, you can still kick a field goal.
But they did what, like reactionary thing was like,
well, we're not going to take another sack.
So we're going to call a little quick drag and throw over the
middle, get the ball out, get a completion.
You have to, I think, try to throw for the sticks on that
play, is what I'm saying, because the risk of the sack
isn't that huge. And that that's why I do think
that Purdy kind of is a system quarterback where, like, they're
not even going to try. Those types of plays.
Yeah, they're just like, we're not going to let them get hit
again and something bad happened, so we'll just take our
eight yards and kick a field goal.
Right. But I mean the they just made a
33 yarder. It would have been a 41 yarder.
Worst case scenario, he takes a third straight sack, it's a 48
yarder or whatever. That's not likely.
I I think you still need to try a play down the field is my
point. Right.
I agree. And and.
Certainly if you kick it from 41, you expect to make it.
You can't. You know you didn't need to make
that into a 33 yarder. Like, it wasn't like you needed
to get into field goal range. I retweeted Barnwell and some of
the comments are like that. It may have contributed to that
and that it gave the 49ers hope and made the pressure build.
And it's like, no man, like you can say that in hindsight after
you know all this stuff. But no, that's not what
happened. Like most 4th down, like that's
not what caused the ball off the face mask.
That's not what caused the fumble like.
And also, like, imagine how gut wrenching it would be for them
to have converted on the play when they very much should have
converted. They outplayed 49ers on that
play, and then they had the guy drop the ball.
Like, right. It's just hindsight.
It's all hindsight.
It's trying to attribute an explanation to a wild sequence
of mostly uncorrelated events and being like, well, it's
probably the 4th down conversion that caused all this to fall
apart. And it's like no, like the ball
hit off the guy's face mask. It was unlucky and then Gibbs
fumble. That's unlucky.
I mean the like the 4th down. Conversion is a recognition of
the fact that the lead wasn't safe, because it wasn't.
And so that I think all of this in my mind just makes me feel
like it was a a better decision. There's a lot of times on on 4th
failed 4th down conversions where the defense gets a stop
and people are like you know the the the coach showed that
aggressiveness and the defense was like we got to do our job,
you know, like we got to, we got to.
Step up. Yeah, it's just narrative
building. It has nothing to do with.
It, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
The defense didn't go out there and, like, become afraid like
that's. No, no.
The defense went out there and was worse than the offense it
was facing, which has been the case this entire game, which is
why going for it makes sense. Yeah, this game is already at
the over under. It was 51 1/2.
We got 51 points. I just realized I had written it
off in the first half, but I took the Niners -7 and that's
live that field goal. But I mean, if they, if they
were to get the ball back and score touchdown, I mean they
could win by 10. Yep.
The turn around on this game has been way more than just bad luck
on defense. Plus Reynolds drops in key
spots. Nope, it hasn't.
That's not. I mean, it's been the 49ers
offense waking up as well, but I don't know.
I mean, like, that is. That is exactly how this game
is. Starting.
Yeah. I mean, I guess the Gibbs fumble
isn't listed there, but it really is just those things.
It's a few. Things played, plus the 49ers
executing a little bit better. A little bit better, but yeah,
not like way better. After the Ayuk pass they got
down right after that to they lost 2 yards incomplete pass on
2nd down that I was asking about.
The chat about the slant. Oh my God, oh he caught it.
Oh, he another. Clock.
I thought he was a. Pit.
Don't flex in point. Apparently Marshall was on.
Marshall was agreeing with, by the way.
I thought. I thought he was disagreeing.
Gotcha. But they they they got into a
third down before the IUK TD was going to be my point.
And then they got a 24 yard field and they got a scramble
from Purdy for 21 yards and ended up scoring on on 2nd down
there. But I mean even like the
offensive execution element of it is like a little dubious.
It's not like you know most of that was the the playoff, the
face mask whole. And they punched, they punched
those two. They scored the TDs, yeah.
Yeah. So they they did what they
needed to do with the opportunities for the most part.
For sure. So Monty has now cleared.
So some of the let me pull these up for we need Gibbs or a St.
Brown TD to complete those. Something's not saying like.
Something's about to happen. We're behind.
I'm behind and I'm. Oh, no.
Flea flicker. Oh, Reynolds.
Oh, that's Jamo. No, it's Jamo.
Oh. I don't know.
If I was Reynolds impression. Yeah, he kind of got grabbed on
his back shoulder, didn't he? I don't know if that's a
terrible drop there. It's a tough play, right?
I don't know if we got. 3. Rushing yards in the cards here.
No. Yeah, there's a guy who doesn't
have the hand eye coordination I was talking about earlier.
It's. Got a lot of traits that make
him an NFL football player. But there are.
I mean, like, this is going to sound weird, but there are like
high school wide receivers that will never play college
football, that have better catching ability, like hand eye
coordination than some NFL wide receivers.
That's my point of. Course, 'cause they can't.
They don't have the ability to generate separation and they
don't Speed. They're not.
Like, but they they, they they know how to catch a football.
Like a football isn't a a weirdly shaped thing.
Well, it's like the guy. Who just won the shooting
contest you guys were talking about?
I mean, that guy can do one thing better than actual, you
know, NBA guys. Fairpoint, yeah.
By the way, I know we're not, you know, it's one year and we
we still leaving the light on for JSN and everything, but
transferring because you couldn't play over JSN looks
worse now. Do you guys not agree?
It wasn't. It wasn't just JSN.
It was Gerard Wilson and Chris Olave too, who have both been.
Well, yeah, but if you I mean and I'm.
Certainly not anywhere who's close to we need to leave a
light on for JSN. I'm not even like I'm not.
I'm not the the light. All the lights in my JSN house
are on. I'm not leaving 1:00.
Not not all of mine around. Where do you guys think he goes?
That's an interesting one. Fifth round.
I think I'm out if he's in the fifth round.
I don't think where he goes is that much different than where
he went last year and a little higher.
I think he's going to be the classic one.
He's going to be in a lot of ways like a Naji Harris where
strong people on both sides and you're going to have two to
three JSN bowls in every draft. Then we'll just not let him go
cheap. It's kind of what I how I could
see it playing out. OK.
Well, yeah, I think I'll be out. Not that he can't do well, but
it's like I think one of the things I've been thinking about
is like those second year guys are actually they come with a
lot of risk because if they don't pan out there's enough.
Like rookie busts will sometimes get used at the end of the
season cause teams are seeing what they have but they already
know what they have on 2nd year guys.
So you don't get that little extra juice even on the guys who
are bad. So it's a little bit.
I don't think that's a concern for JSN, though.
It's still just like that the offense is the exact same as it
was last year. They don't know what they had
with JSN. They didn't use him.
Yeah, but they're gonna use him for like he's not.
I mean, that's the that's the question for me about whether to
take him in the fifth round, is Tyler lock him on the roster or
not, 'cause he has a huge Oh yeah.
I mean. That's theoretically could not
be on the roster. That's obviously very big.
What I'm saying about about them seeing what they have is that
they're going to be seeing what they have like all season.
Like, it's not that he's going to get featured in late in the
season like he was this year. Yeah, no.
And and, Donovan says here I was just about to make this point.
We have a whole new coaching staff and so it it is tricky.
It could help. It could help.
It could also hurt. It's not the team that brought
him in. They might not have the right
vision for him and he didn't have a great, he didn't put a
lot of great stuff on tape last year.
He might get buried in some ways, like if the if the new
coaching staff just doesn't really see the vision for him.
And and that's that's kind of what my point is too is like the
the floor on these guys. So it's more of a best ball
specific point that I'm making cause in season long I don't
think you wanna be as concerned about the floor 'cause if you
gotta cut, you know a 6 1/2 pick it's not the end of the world
but in best ball. Oh my God, they're going for it.
On 4th down and field range. They could wow.
In the fourth quarter it'd be a 47 yarder and they're going for
it. This is gonna.
I hope they get this so I don't have to hear all this shit about
it. Well, they didn't.
Oh no. Damn it.
That sucks. This is going to be.
I will. I mean, what was it?
A 56 yarder? No. 40.
One, that one, I feel more like maybe you just take the points
because you're down 3. Oh yeah, yeah, 46 yarder.
That's a really makeable. Kick.
And you don't have a play. Yeah, that's right.
So Seth Walder. A lot of the bots get criticized
for being really pro. Go for it.
And I know Seth Walder is at ESPN is pretty pro.
Go for it. He tweeted it last time and it
was .2% difference. It was like a toss up and then
he just tweeted. This is right on the edge for us
at 4th and three. So again, a toss up like these
were not decisions that even the models that tend to lean to,
tend to lean towards going for. It were like, you gotta go to.
Relative to to what people think they yeah.
Because I would say like the models are probably closer to
truth than our conventional wisdom.
Yeah, I would agree with that too.
But the models were saying it's a toss up, so everyone's gonna
say what the hell was he doing. But the models are probably
right. It probably was a toss up, but
at a certain point it's like, I don't know, that's tricky.
I think I would have picked that.
One, if he gets that one, everyone is like, dude, he stuck
to his guns. He got everyone's criticizing
him after the last one, and he went for it and they got it this
time. And like, what kind of balls
does he have? Tweet I just saw here too badly
77% between 40 to 49 yards out, so you can't also just bank it.
Oh, for sure. That's not that good at all.
And that's kicking in a Dome for half of his ski.
He's outdoors here. Yeah, 72%.
That's I would go for it. I thought.
I thought it was more like an 80 to 85%.
In my head that's 40 to 49 and it was like a 47.
I mean, it might have been like like 70%.
Do you guys see this comment from Paul?
Yes, and we'll go. Over in the on the right.
Soon. That's not true, because Leoni
tried to get tried to FUD DJ Moore deep, deep out of anyone
drafting him. And it's the exact same concept.
It's like if the market says a few of us want DJ Moore in the
in the fourth round, DJ Moore's going to the fucking fourth
round no matter where he's ranked.
By the way, I think he's a 2-3 turn guy.
For sure. Oh.
Oh yeah. Feels isn't gonna be there.
I was. Think he was drafting Caleb,
right? So that's what.
So far I'm in on that with with with Moore.
I want to be back in on Moore with a different quarterback.
Yeah, he looked so good this year.
It was the validation of the He's good thesis in every way
that you would want it validated.
He's now been good in just so many different contexts.
Yeah, his last year in Carolina was a little sketchy, and that
was a little part of the reason I didn't want to be in on him.
Was like, well, maybe he's just never been as good as I always
thought he was. And then he was phenomenal this
year, but he still, I mean he ended up, I just pulled this up
as we're talking about. He ended up the wide receiver
6IN PPR, which is kind of wild, but in points per game, it was
wide receiver nine. Wow.
And again that's with a massive game.
He ended up having some good games down the stretch, which
was a big part of it. But early in the year, like he
only had one other 20 plus then the 50 pointer against
Washington. He absolutely feasted on
Washington. He's.
I could see him moving up maybe to the one, two turn by the end
of the summer. Once we get comfortable with
being excited about the Bears offense, what do you guys think
about that? Maybe more like, maybe more like
Pick 1415 but. That's an interesting question.
I mean, I don't, I think that's, I think that's hot, but maybe
because there's not a lot of running backs up there is kind
of the idea, right? That's right.
It's like, I mean like him
versus Saquon or him verse. I mean I don't think Saquon
should be anywhere near that range but.
Kyron I would take DJ War over Kyron right now.
I think I would too. The other thing about them
adding another running back, they went into this year and
like, look, they loved Kyron, but they thought they were going
to get something out of Cam Akers too.
Like part of Kyron's role was the fact that Cam Akers was
somebody that needed to ship out of town.
Like they didn't want to be in that position.
Oh my God, third rushing TD. That's Game I.
Can't I don't need to make elections, but.
Don't laugh, Yeah. Oh wow, you're right.
Man, this is a pretty sick run out for our core.
I mean, Brock pretty will he. He's 11 yards passing yards out,
Iuke his 10 receiving yards. Goff is going to get there on
pass attempts. Oh.
Bummer, He There was just so much running that drive.
Yeah. Yeah, and again, I feel like we
can go back to why going for it makes sense because Dan Campbell
knows his defense can't stop shit.
Right. He's going to get, man, the
media stuff on this is going to be bad.
He's going to get crucified for this.
Yeah. Yeah, all the exciting stuff
about it, the aggressiveness, all of that stuff is going to
turn into stubborn and you know. I will say like just this Brock.
I mean, this Brock Game is so polarizing.
You know, I feel like in the second-half it really has just
been him not making mistakes and scrambling.
But I can already feel the narrative train being like
there's no way Brock Purdy beats Patrick Mahomes.
I think that's where we're headed from a narrative
standpoint. I think I'm already there there,
yeah. I agree.
That's where we're. Headed I'm I think I'm back to.
You're gonna get Chief's money line at plus money.
Like I think Niners will open up as very slight faves.
It's gonna be close. That would have, Yeah.
That would have definitely been. They would have definitely
opened up his faves prior to this game.
I think it's gonna be close. The Chiefs looked good in
beating Baltimore, and the Niners looked bad again.
I I think they open up as like -1 or something.
I think it's gonna be like that. I really do.
I think you're right that it'll be Niners, but it might be -1.5
or something and I bet you it gets bet across.
I mean, I think KC winds up favored.
I think it closes KC minus. Two, you're right.
I think you're 100% right because the public is going to
be so jazzed up to bet Mahomes as an underdog if the public
gets Mahomes as an underdog it. Yep.
Yeah, I could see that swinging for sure.
Opens -1, closes, minus closes -2 the other way.
Man, I would love like a an overtime suck out to this game
to help some pick Em's hit. I love this tweet from Stats of
WAR, who said Dan Campbell should have kicked it and made
the 49ers March the entire length of the field to score,
which is a great point. If they kick it that second time
and tie the game, it changes nothing.
The Niners just drove down and scored a touchdown on you.
I mean, now you'd be down 7. You'd still be in shouting
distance at this point, but you can't stop them.
That's the problem, right? Like they gotta go quick though
they have 3 timeouts. This isn't like it's it's it's
more over. It feels more over than it
actually is. But it's they're saving their
timeouts but not moving fast. You can't throw over the middle
on 2nd and 10 for four yards. You got to hurry up.
You have to go score.
Can't call a whole play. You got to have a play call.
What are we doing? Jared.
Trying to design the whole fricking offense at the line.
Now, this is your last play before the two-minute warning.
I mean, it's not again not completely over if they can
score before like a minute. Left God, I'm gonna advance a
Headless Horseman Headless Quarterback team to the Gauntlet
finals. Oh, nice.
What is it? So it had Allen, but it had CMC
Jamir Gibbs, David Montgomery, Sam Laporta, Jamison Williams
and Juwan Jennings on it. So it'll have.
I mean it's it's dead CMC in I need I needed Detroit to have it
be a fun headless. Team.
For Detroit player. I have 71.94 points, and the guy
behind me who has like every lion you can think of as 70.76,
so he's like 1.2 points behind me.
Yeah, And then I have a big mitten where I'm up by about
eight points. Just under eight points.
Easy and I are gonna get bounced in that big mitten because we're
I think like 3 1/2 Kittle point short right now, which just
fucking stings 'cause it's a six person final and we had the team
blocked. He had Mahomes CMC Kelsey and we
had Mahomes CMC Rice along with Kittle and two Ravens and we
couldn't get it done. Gus Edwards blah, Odell Beckham
blah Kittle blah, Rashi Rice blah.
Kelsey beats all four of those guys.
He went nuke man. That's rough.
Where do you guys think Kelsey goes?
That's a fascinating one, man. I think he kind of should go on
the 2, three turn. And I feel like that two weeks
ago it was like, oh, he's going to go with it, like, you know.
Pick. Are you talking FFPC Titan
Premium or? No, I'm talking best ball.
Underdog, I was thinking underdog.
I was thinking more like 3-4 turn.
And I was gonna say I. Think you should go where like
Mark Andrews was going last year like mid?
3rd which is mid more mid third, yeah I think that's where he
probably settles that's that's probably right.
I will think, I mean the one thing I've noticed, it seems
like the market just like I've seen a few early tweets of like
tight end ranks for next year and it seems like people are
very excited about Laporta. But kind of discrediting Trey
McBride in my mind, like, I feel like Trey McBride should be
pretty much right there with those guys.
And I've been seeing like a decent gap between where McBride
is going and. Laporta.
And Kelsey, a few weeks ago we were talking about who was going
to be the Titan one next year and I'm pretty sure was on ship
chasing. I thought McBride should be the
number like I didn't want. I had.
I had McGrath 50. 4. Which is a little bit behind
Andrew Zaporta. I had him right behind Kittle.
I mean the. Only thing keeping him there is
like what people are worried about.
There you go. Get up to the ball.
We might have a game that was a big play.
You had to go get 20 yards right there.
Those little 4 yard passes aren't doing it, but you got to
go quick. Still OK, just there you go.
Get out of bound. There you go.
I just got bounced from a gauntlet.
God damn it. Oh, oh, with.
Reynolds because of the Gaw. He had gaw.
So that was out of gawk. Oh well.
Dude, they were up 24/7 at half. This sucks.
They have not scored any points in the second-half, but if they
can get in, Oh yeah, I have Niners -7.
I guess. I don't want that.
I'm definitely at the point in the day where I just had there's
just. So much shit.
Going on second-half pick UPS full pick UPS pick UPS from
earlier in the week. Dailies DFS Showdown Playoff
that fall I. Just.
The buddy line? Bet.
You bet. Get in.
Go Laporta. Get in.
It wasn't Laporta. It's.
Down Laporta. That's fucking come on.
Because Laporta would have got in.
I don't know what he's doing. You're wide open rock, right?
Or whatever his name is. But he took like 7 steps after
he caught it towards the They're saying Anthony Ferxer.
Oh my God, that was Anthony Ferxer.
Wow Ferk Daddy. I had no idea Ferk Daddy was on
this team. He needs to turn up field
though. That was crazy.
He had zero juice. Oh no.
What are you doing? You're wasting like, a lot of
time. Wasn't a Monroe open there or
not? Someone was open in the back of
the end zone on the first read, it felt like.
The little curl. Yeah, little banana out.
They ran it. I knew they were gonna do this.
You can't do that. How can you?
Holy shit. And then did they call a time
out that's so bad? Oh my God.
Now I want him to not score and just give me my cover.
That was the dumbest thing I've ever seen That was so, so bad.
What was that? Oh man, that was bad.
And now they're going for it because they're they're down
here. You got to
I can't believe they called a run play there and then they.
Scored, Davis said. What a catch.
So now I just lose my fucking bet on top of it.
That's just a kick to the nuts because it's not even
competitive. Now you gotta, you gotta get an
onside kick at this point because I just.
There's. The timeout saves you 40 seconds
when your opponent has the ball. There's no way it costs you 40
seconds even if you call a run play to line up and run the play
on 4th down. Get.
If you're going to call a run play on 3rd down, have your
fucking 4th down play called in the huddle, run the ball, line
up, waste 8 seconds or whatever. But you have your fucking play
called and you and you call 2 plays.
That's that's now you can't. If you don't recover the onsides
kick, you can't win. That timeout is so massive.
It's 40 seconds. There's 56 left.
What's the fucking? It's the game.
I can't believe they used that timeout.
Oh man. He played for the fucking cover.
He played for the cover. Oh, Dan.
Because now now Dan's giving him too much ammo.
Oh. I've been muted forever.
I saw in the chat that I was muted.
I'm gonna. I have a big Mitt.
I didn't even drink.
I don't have to ring the bell. I can drive to the bell.
Sorry, Pat. Go ahead.
No, I just. I have a big mitten that's now
advancing by like 1.1 point. So I desperately need the the
49ers to just get this one so I can.
Kick It Out. Yeah, it you know, it was
advancing like comfortably for a while and then the Jamison
Williams touchdown made it, Made it a little bit of sweat now.
Oh, that was at least an interesting onside kick.
I I I went live. They.
Didn't get it. They didn't get it.
It's over all. Right.
I got a big Mitt. I got a big Mitt in.
Nice. Congrats.
That's awesome. Thanks.
It's pretty live. It's got.
Oh. That was bouncing around.
It seemed like a good onside kick as far as giving himself a
chance. For sure.
Niners. Cheats, huh?
They they touched the ball, too. Really.
That would have. Actually, that would have been.
Challenged. You let that bounce organically.
You might get a funky one there off of Iuke maybe.
That's right. I think he should have let that
go. And they called the flag.
They did call. They did the flag.
Oh man. Yeah, 'cause the last the last
Chief Snider Super Bowl, that was right before.
Oh, you're right. He does not need to.
I mean, make I or whoever. It wasn't iuke.
Whoever is going for that, make him make a play on it.
Dude, yeah 'cause you are right in position for the rebound
catch off of an iuke muff. Oh sweet, yeah.
The Mr. Mr. Won the Pull Back Drive 5.
Nice. With the Gemma catch, Congrats.
There you go. That's awesome.
That's work. Wow.
So as far as our programming schedule, I think we'll probably
take next week off, right guys or?
Yeah, I think this was sort of this week's show, right?
Yeah. I mean, we had a fun week this
past week. I'm down to take like a Mun
ball. Yeah.
And then the next week, I'm flying out to underdog.
Thursday afternoon, we could, we could huddle back up after the
Super Bowl. Talk about thoughts after the
Super Bowl, though. I like that.
One thing that's coming, I'll say before we get off today is
been making some updates to all in the fantasy we always have to
talk. About that a little bit.
This. Time of year.
So I know that some of the the ship chasers enjoy that.
Those are always fun. Adding a on the clock e-mail so
that you don't have to like, ping people when they're on the
clock, you'll actually get an e-mail.
And changing it so that you'll get you'll log in with your
e-mail instead of Twitter. Because I got that request a
million times because like, Twitter's dying.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
That's. It's all new season.
Yeah, looking forward to that. And yeah, I know we, we
obviously didn't talk about it tonight at all, unless you guys
talked about it at the top when I wasn't here.
But appreciate everyone specifically, all you guys that
are in the Discord and stuff. It was a, it was a long and
draining week for all of us. But yeah, happy to have you guys
as part of the community. And yeah, I think we're still
kind of just like, decompressing from what was a really insane
week. It's been exactly what you said,
a very taxing week. A lot of this isn't a complaint.
I told. I haven't updated you guys on
this, but I told you guys that the wife and I were going to go
to a comedy show yesterday, Nate Barghazzi, and then my daughter
woke up in the middle of the night, my youngest, and she had
to. My wife had to take her into the
walk in. She did have strep.
We had to skip that. Like, that was the thing I was
looking forward to all week. Like we're going to go to this
comedy show on Saturday. It's been a long week.
Yeah, it's. Been a long week for the whole
industry. I think it's it was nice to just
watch a game, yeah. Yes, I'm.
I'm looking forward to have. I mean, this yesterday was kind
of like my first Saturday where I wasn't just like drafting and
you know, thinking about DFS teams like for a good chunk of
the day. And even that was refreshing.
I'm very much looking forward to.
I know everyone's chomping at the bit to draft again, but I'm
like, I'm ready for a little break here.
But if you guys do want to join us in the Discord, you always
can. You become YouTube members, You
sync your YouTube and Discord account and that will unlock
that. Also shout out to Nick tonight
in the hopper helping us produce, getting the time
stamps, we'll get some clips, all of that good stuff.
But yeah, probably no show for until the following Thursday
after the Super Bowl would be my guess.
Anything else from you guys? Gretch, we got the Omni.
That sounds like you're in the lab on your ranks.
I'm in the lab yeah going to get a dynasty update and working on
kind of the the early best ball rankings as well and about to
start my all my rookie stuff. So I also I'll tease I wanted to
get this out last week but with with all everything going on we
delayed it but Sacrilegious has an article on a new metric that
that he's debuting for just kind of a better way to understand
like who is contributing to to best ball rosters so that that
I'm looking we'll we'll have that out early next week.
Yeah, that'll. Be this week, I guess.
That'll be awesome to To what else was I going to say?
I forget. All right, we're.
Going to power down last ship cast of the year I I think I
speak for all three of us when I say we had a blast doing this
show. I know early on there was some
people who were bummed that we weren't doing the waiver wire
show, but again we we had a blast doing this.
This fit the vibe of the show. It fit how we like to spend our
week doing ship chasing content. Total blast.
Hopefully you guys feel similarly because I would very
much like to run it back again next year because getting to
sweat out these games with you guys getting the pick UMS going
even when they were miserable Thursday night games, I still
feel like we found things to make it fun.
So thank you to everyone who. Followed along, watched with us
during the year. A great season here at ship
chasing and we will be turning the page to 2024 here soon
enough. So for Gretch, for Pat, I'm
Pete. We will see you guys next time
on Ship Chasing. I.