Good morning from the banks of the Upper Niagara River.
I'm Mike Shope. Our heroes, Pat, Karine, Davis
Maddock, Jacob Sanderson will join me shortly.
We're on the cusp of the NFL schedule release.
By the time some of you are watching or listening to us,
you'll know the schedule. That's, of course, critical to
best ball strategy. But just for fun, if they want
it, I did whip up a fake Week 17 schedule for us to play with,
you know, just just for the reps risers.
Just for the reps, you know, Risers and fallers headlined by
the George Pickens trade, Jacobs Celtics, Jacobs Leafs, Jacob's
Ladder. A preview perhaps of the Swole
cutter. Let's have some fun.
ADP chasing Tuesday, May 13th, 2025.
In Underdog Best Ball, ADP is set by two separate yet equally
important groups. Streamers that set the market
and the slappies that chase it. These are their stories.
My goal every week in the cold open is to get sounds out of you
guys like usually I. Feel like you always succeed.
You always succeed it. Always works.
I can get it from Pat with a big word, like the first week I got
the the star crossed history of the ADP or something like that.
You know, usually you can get a a a murmur out of Pat that way.
I'm good for a murmur. You're good for a murmur, Jacob.
You know, start us off. Because Celtics leash life right
now. I mean, like the if, if you'd
give me before the series, the Leafs would have a a best of
three to go to the to go to the conference finals, I would I
would sign for that. So that's the stage of
rationalization we're at with that franchise.
You know, we have a great opportunity on Wednesday and
it's got check time. We just got to get box deep and
and try to follow to the net that the Tatum thing.
I mean, Oh my God, I that was like that's that's like that's
that's like one of the most you know, you know, like when you
like go through a breakup and then you go to sleep and then
it's like the next morning, like there's like a two second bliss
when you forget, like with. The yeah, that moment.
Happened to you and then it hits you again and then you like go
through it. I I just like it's been a bad
morning. Yeah, think about, think about
how much worse it would be without last year's
championship, though. Like the thing.
Yeah, that's. True, that's very true.
If like if we didn't win last year, I would be like.
Like imagine my perspective of watching Kevin Durant win 2 like
basically uncontested championships for the Golden
State Warriors being like, you could have just done that in
Oklahoma City, dude. There was no reason you could
have just you could have just stayed Kevin.
There was no just, you know, it built, not bought.
Kevin Paul. Paul really sums it up here.
All of Jacob's hopes and dreams not.
A lot, yeah. I mean, you know, you know.
Give it a week. Give it a week.
That's a tough spot to be in. My my my high school math
teacher once told me that happiness is a function of
expectation, and the Colts give me the pleasure of low.
Expectations. That's true.
You can count on the Colts for that.
Jacob's next morning comes with AU.
But in in Jacob's world, all words come with it.
Come with an extra U. So that's there you go.
That's OK. That's a good one.
A good one. So yeah.
We're off and. Running I got I got a question
for you before we move into the ADP J So is Jared, is Jared
Bedner a good coach? The the the Avalanche just
reported this morning they're not firing him after another
Game Seven loss. Walk chasing I.
Mean, I definitely think he's a good coach.
I feel like he wasn't the one who traded away Miko Rantnen for
a second line or a second round pick.
What is a good coach in? Hockey in hockey, right?
Yeah, who? Who like literally who could say
yeah I. Don't.
Who could say like what? What does it look like?
What are they doing? Putting, pulling the goalie.
Earlier, there are strategy. There are strategy elements in
hockey. Yeah, you choose the line
combinations and and you know, I don't really understand hockey.
Strategy. I'm just, I'm just in a lot of
of Shope's question and tone there.
What is a good coach? I want to call in?
I'll tell you what a good coach. I'll tell you it's so true that.
Is I could do this for a living? Yeah.
That's what's talk radio. Well.
Yeah, the the Buffalo Sabres have not made the NHL playoffs
in 14 years and have been through a few coaches.
And every time they're looking for one, there's a former
Stanley Cup winning coach sitting there.
In this this year's case, Craig Beruby.
And I always want to say like, who needs that?
But you know, Craig. Beruby is actually an idiot.
I know that because I went to a bunch of those playoffs because
I live in Saint Louis and I. We're not going to besmirch the
head coach of the Toronto Maple Leafs right now.
Wait, Craig Beruby is the coach of the Maple Leafs?
Yes. Yes.
He's this guy keeps falling ass backwards into like I know I
don't know what makes a good coach, but I can tell pretty.
I actually don't think Beruby is it.
So I actually don't think Ruby is a good coach.
Like I don't like his system at all.
I thought we played like a way better system under Keith, but
we've we've already had more playoff success under Barubi.
So I I what I will give him is like he is a good like people
management coach. Like it feels like it's the
guy's Jeep who's like always losing his mind on the bench and
like we have all this horrible playoff history and you can just
tell that he got everybody tight.
Whereas Barubi like is good at like keeping the boys calm.
He's not good at like winning the expected goals battle or.
Or he got to play Ottawa in the first round and the other guy
didn't. Yeah, I mean, but we've looked
until game four, we looked lifeless.
But I I was pretty proud of the boys for the first three games
against Florida. Pat Fox Crane.
You're I was going to say, Crane, you're from the
Northeast. How?
How has the hockey bug missed you entirely?
Yeah, my In my brain, Homer Simpson is dancing through a
field of flowers. He's.
It's the monkey clapping as simple as above his head.
He's. In the land of he's in the land
of chocolate and he's eating all the chocolate animals.
How do you ever get into? POC bro I just I've never gotten
into. It I I I learned today on
Twitter that everywhere in Delaware is roughly at most 35
miles away from the beach too, which I don't think of Delaware
as being like a maritime state. Delaware's weird like I was like
a 2 hour drive from the beach in terms of like where you'd
actually go. They you might be.
It's not you're like. I could put her probably lied.
Fat is what? Happened.
Yeah, someone on Twitter probably right.
I could get to the to the Delaware Memorial Bridge, which
takes you across the water to Jersey, but that's not like the
beach, you know what I mean? Yeah, You got to get to like the
beach. It's like couple hours.
Yeah. What define beach?
Like an actual beach? Would you like guard or just
like sand? Yeah, ocean.
Yeah, Ocean. I'm I'm saying more like you're
going to a beach where there's like actual a nice place you
would want to go into the ocean. And not not craggy cold.
Do some things after. Yeah, a flag that tells you
whether it's safe to swim. Exactly.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like those beaches are a couple
hours away all. Right, Pat.
Where I grew up in Diller. Let's get you back.
So before we get into risers, fallers, etcetera and the
schedule, this was an interesting weekend.
I was actually proud of myself for not being so online to be
like deep dive into the best ball future of best ball
discourse. Davis, you wrote an essay on it.
Is anything left to be said? What it's been a couple days,
what wasn't said or what needs to be the take away of the whole
weekend, the ETR tool, etcetera. No everyone, everyone's in their
camps. There's nothing new to be said.
I like the tools because it helps me draft more aligned
teams. Drafting 2000 best ball teams
over the course of the summer. I don't think best ball tools
are as they currently sit now are close to like you couldn't.
So this is always, this is all. It's the mom test, right?
My mom could not sit down with these tools.
No one's mom could sit down with these tools and draft teams that
you'd be like, oh shit, well, if there are 700,000 of these, I
can never win 'cause there are so many variables that and I'm
not even talking about projecting 17 games variables.
I'm talking about there's just too many variables into actually
drafting A-Team that that are just not there yet.
And maybe they'll maybe they'll get there now like a huge thing
is like, what are these going to do to the daily games?
And that is a totally. Different discussion, way bigger
impact. Yeah, way bigger impact because
then it comes closer to being DFS.
But as it stands for and like I draft teams on my phone all the
time, like I and it's it's not that different.
Like I like having the draft caddy and the sidekick up, but
like I draft teams on my phone all the time and it's just like,
I don't know, man. It's not that big of a
difference. Like you have to be more locked
in, obviously, but it's not like it's not.
We're not revolutionizing the game, just makes it easier.
I'll speak on the sidekick, which I think is a lot of fun to
draft with. I mean, that's that's part of
the appeal in my view is that it's actually very fun to draft
alongside the sidekick and then you're in control of of the
picks that you make. That's always been kind of the
the vision of it for me. We have some improvements that
we're going to be making to it this summer.
It's not going to break best ball.
It'll be a better version of the tool, but it's also not going to
break best ball. And I, I think that part of it,
I understand kind of where the sentiment is coming from.
I think a lot of it is coming from a good place of people
being like I. Love, I get why people don't
like it. They're like, there's this, I
can win $2,000,000 and not play against quote UN quote pros.
It's the opposite of DFS, it's the opposite of poker and all
this stuff. I get why people are upset, but
frankly. Well, people's, people's fear is
that there's a is that there becomes a double rake, right?
That's like the fear I think is that you're like, is you're
like, I'm already paying underdog 10%.
And if it ever gets to a point where like I have to have these
tools to even compete, then you're then you're paying double
the rake where you're paying on the tools you're paying.
I, I get it. I, I get the fear.
I don't, I think that we actually might hit that spot in,
in the daily games. But like I, I don't know for me
personally, like the tools are cool.
I don't think that they impact how I would draft very much.
Like I think that if I'm drafting a team on my phone on
the on the toilet, like I, I trust that I'm already kind of
thinking about my draft the way that the tools would think about
the draft, with the exception of like I have different player
rankings than leg up would have. But like that would be the
decisions that I would already make where like if leg up tells
me to draft one player and I'm like, I like this guy more.
I put my own rankings in. Do it anyway.
And I'm just gonna do it right. Yeah, you can put your own
rankings in as well, yeah. So it's like, it's just, I don't
know, I, I think it, I, I guess obviously it helps like some
people that would otherwise be terrible to like reach a
competent structure. But I I think it's like equally
weird, like I. Yeah, but those people's money,
like that's what I'm saying. Your money, that's what I'm
saying. Right.
It's like, yeah, I get like if you're a person who's saying
like this is very nefarious because now we're getting
squeezed as the consumer because we're getting like double rake.
Well, it's like essentially what you're saying is it's like it's
not nefarious. It's not nefarious that I'm
playing against people that are complete morons, right?
I want to take their money. Your real right should be with
rankings if that's if that's a position, I mean rankings are
doing a lot of work to get people to just.
Your gripes should be with this. Your gripes should be with this
show. This is a free show where we
could say this is this is an obviously bad pick.
You shouldn't take this guy here and said you should take him
here. My my goal is to help my
subscribers be better at these games for.
Sure. This this, by the way, did
happen in DFS in a way that it hasn't happened with Best Ball,
where people actually did actively complain about content,
not about not about the tools. When the tools came, that went
pretty quickly. People were just like, well,
this we're just not going to win this battle.
Like we're like, I think people were mad for about 3 months and
they just realized what DFS was going to become.
But people used to be big mad like this is so funny to put
your brain in this space. But people used to be mad about
the swirl cast because Evan Silva would would come on.
People used to be mad that the swirl cast was giving away EV
for free and shows it shows like the swirl cast, right?
Because they were like, well, you know, you're giving away.
I can't believe you would. You would tell the good plays
for free, right? But the the thing about best
ball that is so different from DFS and so different from poker
is that the fun of the game is about disagreeing on the inputs.
The fun of the game is saying your input on Xavier Worthy,
Urashi Rice or Marion Hampton or whoever is wrong.
Right. Yeah, and for some reason people
are complaining about Drake May for their.
I, I think it's, I think it's very, very different than the
DFS stuff where it's just because, because the projection
is so variant, right like that, because the inputs matter so
much more. Like Davis is saying, it's like
yes like if you use the tools it will protect you from drafting
completely incompetent unwinnable teams because it will
give you the structural. I mean I guess it won't.
You could just ignore it and draft 7 quarterbacks whatever
underdog allows for strapped anyway.
No, but it will. Now big underdogs stepping in
moral. The moral claim underdog does
not let you draft any more than 5 quarterbacks now.
Right, OK, well they. Won't even.
Won't even let you. Do whatever it is so it will
submit. Whatever the less, keep you.
It'll keep the ball, you know, on the court, so to speak, but I
don't know I, I, I struggle to have a major problem with if
people who are funneling their money into this game want to pay
to have access to be slightly less bad at this game that like
we shouldn't have tools available to help them.
If it got to a point where like you could buy the sidekick,
never log into the underdog app and have it draft 150 teams for
you, I would be like. Losing that's not I don't
understand like but that is not seen some stuff like like that
and it's like I'm not like that's not a goal of mine and I
don't understand why that would be a goal like.
I would be against that. I wouldn't want that for myself.
Like a a total a total tool that makes the picks for you and the
teams are not dog shit. Some of the stuff that we're
talking about adding this summer is like it was would actually
have more kind of user input, you know, so it's not just I, I,
the the auto draft thing is not just that's not fun to me, you
know, I want to be drafting these.
I want to be actually drafting these teams.
It's again like, I think having that information and kind of
seeing like, you know, oh, right, I, you know, Kyler
Murray's a better pick here than I might have considered
otherwise, you know, because of what I did earlier, whatever
that like the feeling like I'm having something that kind of
helps me keep stayed locked in, you know, stay locked in on this
draft. I find fun.
So that's part of it for me. And then there are other, you
know, real time assistant options as well.
Like for example, you could always send a message to ADP
chasing while you're on the clock and a big dog and.
And. See if he's so.
Over us with that, with the green dot, with the chat.
I've never seen the chat until Pat puts it up.
Green dot. So you know, people, people are
going to try to get better at these games any way they can.
Agreed well interesting weekend are you guys schedule honks like
do you love are you following nerding on NFL?
Do you have a like I do? Admittedly a tab up where you
see every update I'm. Just making, I'm just making
mental notes of the week 17 games.
I I'm way less Week 15 and 16 pilled than other people in the
best ball community. But I do want to know the week
17 games, maybe not Even so much for the bring backs, but just
ideas of like the games that are going to be good games, they're
going to be indoors. Like, for example, the Chiefs
and the Broncos are playing in Kansas City in Week 17.
Yeah, that's not great. I don't.
Like you want the weather forecast I looked last night.
Yes, yes I do. So if you go to like you do a
search, the first one up is the Farmer's Almanac.
So I click on that. But that costs money to find out
what the Farmer's Almanac is telling you.
The weather. That doesn't feel, that doesn't
feel very moral. I think the Farmer's Almanac
should be free. It should be unfair that some
people can predict the weather, you know, seven months from now.
They should pay you. They should pay you.
I think that's fucked up, frankly.
I think that's real. Time I don't think yet they
shouldn't exist. They shouldn't be making our.
Farmers 4444 and partly cloudy, but that's during the day.
And city it'll, it'll be, it'll be, it'll be cold.
It's, it's cold. It's it's, it's normally very
cold in Missouri in December. In my, in my research, which is
eschewing the Farmer's Almanac option because it wanted $10.00
for me and going to the next site, which I can't name.
The weather, the weather overall that weekend is not to worry
about. Buffalo was the only place where
you know, look out for snow. But you know what's Buffalo, of
course. How How accurate is the six
month in advance weather? I don't know.
I mean, farmers used, farmers used it for for 200 years,
Jacob. It's got to be pretty accurate.
Yeah, but what the plant crops? Yeah, and we're always bailing
them out. They weren't planning vacations
around this thing. I'm not sure they cared about
the same things we need to be. We do, you know, 23.
But a 15 mile an hour gust or something is very different to
us than it would be to the farmers.
I'm pretty sure the wind is a bigger deal to us.
I'm not. Sure, if I.
David did call El Nino 11 months.
Out this is I did, I did call El Nino and I was right.
And it didn't matter because the Cleveland Jets game.
Was like 2. Two, it was kind of what you
wanted. Air and and they just, they just
scored a billion points because no one, no one cared.
Have you considered becoming a weather tout?
Well, you won't talk about an industry with no.
Cons not already weather. Touting, Yeah.
You could probably design some better tools there.
What do they got? The Doppler 5000 or whatever?
Seems like you got some Doppler, you know?
I think the the thing you're. Dating yourself.
The thing I will be. Most what's the weather jam on
like a long time I. Mean is Colts, Raiders, Cowboys,
Saints, Falcons and and the Lions and the Vikings.
Where are the Domes team? Are the Dome teams home?
Are the Dome teams away? Houston.
Yeah, because those are those are probably the biggest spots,
right? Like if the Panthers get a Week
17 game at New Orleans, that makes me more interested in Tet.
That makes me more interested in Juba.
Probably makes like Jalen Coker draftable.
I don't really have him as draftable.
No, that's the one team. That's the one out of Jalen
Coker, are you? Yeah, I've drafted it.
So we had a my. Most drafted player.
Adam Thiel, The Inconvenient Truth for Jacob.
I was on. Vacation I I just embedded
league yet from last year. Cabo.
Cabo while there I timed out on a on a pic and then I sent the
message of who I wanted and it didn't go through.
So I was just sitting there timed out timed out, but I
didn't know. So the rest of the league is,
you know, just surely moving along with the draft, laughing
about how I never got my pick in.
So then I'm on the clock again and I timed out the last time.
So I was like, as soon as I saw them on the clock notification,
I jumped in. I dropped my player.
I, you know, figured out who was there.
And then Jalen Coker was sitting there.
So scoop up. Jalen Coker is like damn, it's
pretty late in the draft for Coker so.
You think? Unbeknownst to me, Gretch has
traded up to the pick ahead with Leone, but Leone was like about
to time out so he trades from the pick, the pick times out and
then here comes Pat, completely Mia for like a day and a half to
steal Coker before he has a chance to get the.
Result And then it turned out that Coker was actually not
eligible to be drafted because he had been dropped by someone
else in there. Is that true?
See, I didn't know that really time went back on vacation.
Yeah, This is this is in one of our, this is in one of our
dynasty. Lights.
So I don't have Coker, Oh no. Is that one of those where you
have to drop a player every time you pick one to stay you you?
Just have to. Yeah, you have to stay at 30 or
or the software won't let you. Well.
Yeah, yeah, I believe Coker's not on your roster, Crane.
I believe no. It's a bummer.
Sorry to sorry to hear to break this to you right in the moment.
Yeah, in real time. By the way, Davis, you'll be
excited to know that in my fake Week 17, it is New Orleans and
Carolina, but the game is in Charlotte, 55 and sunny, my
research tells me. Is very playable for for proper
week 17 we need all Dome teams at home.
We need to know how all. These matchups are like, like,
is it like when's the? We don't, let's just make that
very clear. I, I don't, but one thing about
Week 17 is you have three games on Christmas and you have maybe
3 on Saturday and a Sunday night and Monday night.
I think the league is pouring a lot of energy into that week,
which is interesting for us. Josh Allen will be on the Today
Show on Wednesday, Wednesday morning.
Why so? I mean, he's the MPP.
He's Josh Allen. But yeah, right.
This is ADP chasing after all. So you got to you got to come
come hard. Allen is probably, there's going
to be a Buffalo reveal. Could it be Week 1?
We've already got the Thursday night game.
Maybe. I think there's the Peacock
holiday exclusive. However, in Week 17, I think
teams like New Orleans and Carolina could end up being
paired up. Indianapolis, Jacksonville, no
offense because we have like 8 island games, including Denver,
Kansas City. That's the one we know in week
17, which could be like. 8 matchups.
Yes, 3 Christmas, 3 Saturdays, Sunday night, Monday.
Night as excruciatingly as humanly possible and they want
to make sure that we. Know they have to.
They have to be discussed. Recover our relationship with
our families. Yep, I don't the Christmas was
the NBA. So like, can't you guys, you
have to take Christmas? You have to just this.
This is this is the true War on Christmas.
I didn't watch. I didn't watch the Ravens game
on Christmas. I watched the NBA.
I'm not, I'm not, I'm not watching some.
Didn't the Texans score 2 points in that game?
Yeah, it was 31 to 2 and I watched the.
I watched none of it. The.
Philadelphia 70. Sixers, the NFL really has.
Kansas City, Pittsburgh that day.
People don't like Skip. If you're like really in the
NFL, you don't tend to like not watch slates.
But they're getting to the level where they're like, well, I
just, I'm just not gonna watch some of the NFL this weekend.
They will win. They already, they already won.
They just sort of knocked. They knocked over the NBA in one
moment like this is now their their day.
Win it's. Two, but at what cost?
Yeah they'll win it but what cost?
Cuz they already won like I already had.
I will watch, but I'll be really angry about it.
You can watch. The NBA on Monday or Tuesday,
you can watch the NBA every. Other I guess, like my favorite
part about being an NFL fan is that I don't have to devote
every day to it. Yeah, I have to check the
schedule. I don't have to like the whole
reason I became such a big NFL fan was like, it's actually not
that inconvenient to my day-to-day life to watch.
Yeah, like every NFL game because I can just be like,
look, during the fall, I'm not available on Sunday afternoons
for for hanging out with people, but I'm available all the other
times. And then that's like, fine, I
can, I can make do with that. I can have a life.
And now the NFL is trying to kind of rode my life.
I'm trying to take that away. Well, they'll they are and they
will and you do what you want. But I do think it might be
relevant that 32, Christmas Day, 2, Netflix one, Prime Saturday
1, Peacock 2, I don't know, Sunday, still Sunday night,
still Monday night, that is 8, that is 8 stand alone games.
And they're not going to be bad teams.
So maybe that's relevant to what we're doing.
We won't know until tomorrow night, but maybe it's relevant.
It says tomorrow night the official release is that.
Yes, Wednesday night, yes, I'm excited to show you my list, but
it'll stay wait till the end we. Will probably have most of the
week 17 matchups by the time that show releases.
Yeah, usually it's, I mean, I've done this every year for a long
time. Usually it's like dinner time in
the East Wednesday my first year on the air.
So I'm getting ready to go on. It's 2001 or 2002 and I went to
the Bills website, called up their last year's schedule, just
changed the number of the year in the URL.
Boom. They don't do, they don't let
you do that anymore because that was like next year's schedule.
Like guys, I think I've got it and this is not coming out until
tonight. I think I've got it.
All you have to do is change the.
Number. That's amazing in the.
URL and like here's the schedule.
I'm pretty sure it's official unless it's like a a great gag
by the pills. Now it's not as easy.
They're like, we got it, so let's just publish it so we
don't forget to do it. That's right.
That's right, we just won't send anyone the link.
That's right. I mean, OK, so George Pickens
happened after we got off stream last week or the next day.
It seems like a long time ago, but we haven't touched on that
yet. George Pickens.
Yeah, it's it's been after the last show for sure.
Late Tuesday or Wednesday of last week, that trade is at the
top in terms of risers and fallers, Pickens moving up and
Jalen Tolbert moving down. Feel like these are not that?
Hang on, let me try and redownload these.
OK. Yeah, Jacob is, is Pickens a lot
more interesting or what is he a lot more?
Valuable I was already drafting a ton of them anyway, so I'm a
little annoyed that we didn't I I wish this trader could happen
in like 2 months after I had like, you know, 25% Pickens in
the 7th. But yeah, I'm I'm definitely way
more intrigued by George Pickens.
I think he's in that mix now with like to me, like of the
guys like in that fourth, fifth round area now is kind of where
I would rank him. Like he's pretty similar.
That's like a Jordan Addison. Is this?
These old, that's old. Pickens is the top of the list
this week. OK.
But yeah, I mean, he the projected like team level pass
volume for him probably went from, I don't know, like 490
attempts to like 620 attempts potentially.
And there's no one there outside of CD to trust targets.
So it, it should be like a pretty similar set up in terms
of the wide receiver target distribution to what he was
going to see in Pittsburgh, just on a way bigger scale from a way
better quarterback. So it's it's pretty fantastic.
So the old ones again, now these are both old.
I don't know what's going on guys.
Let. Me see.
Maybe he want to help me help me vamp about George Pickens while
Pat tries to solve. Technology.
I'll jump in. Yeah.
Well, I was a big pro George Pickens guy as a prospect.
I was pro on him before DK Metcalf was there and then I was
lower on both Pickens and Metcalf, both as Steelers.
Well, thinking that the most likely thing probably was a
Pickens trade, it was just hard to see a spot.
Obviously the Cowboys was a pretty obvious spot.
They did just given such vibes that they were like, we're good
here, you know, like the Colin Cowherd thing, like we don't
need George Pickens. We have Jalen Tolbert.
We're good. Turns out they they did need
George Pickens. And I think this is actually one
of the biggest dominoes that could have fallen in the pre
season because it takes a team that was looking like pretty
brutal, like CD and then like Jake Ferguson was like the tight
end 14. They have this like weird
backfield with a bunch of bazillion, you know, old guys
like and instead now they have. What's going on?
They have a real competent wide receiver 2.
Tolbert is like a fine wide receiver three.
Turpin is like a fun wide receiver 4.
Gadget player Ferguson's back in his role.
But the Cowboys are going to be fun now get like the this.
This raise the ceiling for a team that plays in a Dome,
basically. When I saw the trade, I was
like, this is awesome. But then it was like the the
compensation is strange. The trade itself is actually
pretty strange from a real life perspective because they they
haven't been able to get him to sign.
So you're potentially getting one year of George Pickens for
like what, a third and what they send a third and a.
Wasn't much, yeah, but if he doesn't?
Sign We'll probably get the third back on comp.
On compensation, yeah, OK, OK. They don't.
Find anyone anyway. They're never going to
counteract their context they sign.
That's true. They they can be counted on for
that. Yeah, yeah, it's a it's a really
I so and maybe I, I wasn't thinking about it right, but
that part I was like, huh. But the actual like move makes a
ton of sense. Like Pickens is a perfect
compliment to Lamb. I think Pickens is really good.
So I guess the question really is like, is Tomlin right about,
you know, needing to move on from the sky?
But I think Tomlin kind of botched last season, you know,
and if Pickens is pissed about how Tomlin completely botched
this quarterback situation and kind of the offseason leading up
to that, Pickens is right and Tomlin is wrong.
So, you know, if that if that to the extent that that contributed
to the relationship deteriorating, like I'm team
Pickens and I also think he's really good.
So I was kind. Of I'm probably betting Tomlin's
wrong. I I just, if I had to guess now,
Pickens probably is like going all the way back to his time at
Georgia, a bit of a sure. He's not like a a football guy.
I mean, he's got the diva wide receiver thing, right?
Yeah, I mean, he seems like a Dick, but that's fine.
That's yeah, yeah, that's we deal with, we deal with that all
the time at receiver. Yeah, all the time.
I think. If I have this figured out.
More of his maturity stuff is like sort of let's go.
You can, you can live with it. You know, there are guys who are
disruptive and you know, there's different forms of that,
different manifestations of that.
But on the field, I think you've got a player.
So get him in a place where he's not sort of agitated by what's
going on around him. He might not be that mature, but
maybe I, I'm not sure Dallas is perfect for that kind of, you
know, personality type, but you know, there's potential.
Yeah. Yes, yeah, I, I, I still have
Pickens ahead of this. Actually, I still have him ahead
of, I still have him ahead of this.
And I think he's a prime target. You know, you know who the the
the biggest beneficiary is though.
We do too, by the way. Right, it's it's the the the
biggest winner here. Yeah, for sure.
He goes up, he goes up into the the quarterback window, right.
So he's right there with like. Peri, he always kind of should
have been, I think, yes. Yeah.
The the tail risk I think was
pretty big of like the offensive line is conjumbled year over
year. He's got one good wide receiver.
They have no run game. You know the uncertain.
Stuff, but he has like a history of being great every time that
you write him off, it's like it's just it's the cycle of Dax.
Like every time that you're like Dax's actually an elite
quarterback, then you get rugged that every time you're like
actually Dax stinks. Then it goes the.
Other then he's the 8th best quarterback in.
The NFL, Yeah. Drafting only offense Lyman
named Tyler is not necessarily a winning strategy.
I think Burrows better than Dak. Is it Burrows?
Better, but if he if he didn't have T Higgins and Chase Brown
lost a step, we wouldn't be like, Oh my God, can't be
drafting Joe Burrow like there's.
You're not allowed to think Dak Prescott is great.
You're just not allowed to think that.
And I don't know. You're not, but part of it is
he's going to like he's going to lose in the first round of the
playoffs, but like, I don't care about that.
I really don't. I really don't.
He's the Mitch Marner of the NFL.
He's the poor man's Lamar Jackson and Carter.
Yeah, kind of or. He's kind of Vince Carter, isn't
he? Yeah, Bill.
Bill's minority owner Vince Carter.
But Vince Carter also works, Mitch.
Marner. Well, I just converted it to a
basketball player in my head. Yeah, I also work.
I translated you from Canadians. 2 famous 2 famous people to the
nation to. The the five letters 6 letters.
Pirano athlete legends. Pirano 5 letters. 6 letters.
Easy mistake to make. Vince Carter.
Josie Altador. Both minority owners of the
Buffalo Bills. I I could jumbled it in my mind.
Now I would like to push back on something.
I don't view this as a huge positive for DK Metcalf, mostly
because I view it as just a net negative for the Pittsburgh
Steelers. It is May 13th.
The market is still assuming Aaron Rodgers is the
quarterback, and most recent reporting on Aaron Rodgers is
that he will neither confirm nor deny if he is married.
What? What true?
There's a true thing that's happening right now.
Who is he maybe married to? So let me.
Are we? Are we wanted while?
You're looking at up. Antonio Brown at this point
like. While you're looking that up,
there is some buzz today that Rogers will sign and they'll
play Green Bay Week 1 at night. Oh, that would be such Rogers
thing. Oh, that would be for Rogers to
wait for the schedule to drop. They're playing Green Bay Week 1
and he goes, I'm there and he does the the the championship
belt, this guy. If you're the league you'll
you'll take it. You'll take it.
Yeah, he knows you'll take.
It and that's why if Rodgers is confirmed the quarterback, I
guess the the thing you are saying is that Aaron Rodgers
wide receiver ones always mostly been good.
I don't, I I'm having a hard time thinking in my head if
Metcalf is like, does he have any stylistic similarities to
any of the guys that Rogers has really vibed with?
Because. He's sort of the same size as
Alan Lazard. Nelson.
Oh, you're right, you're right. He's like he's, he's the
Charizard actually, of Lazard's. Yeah, he's the.
Charizard of Lazard, you might say.
Charles Lazard, Charles. Charles Lazard.
Box Chat. Char Lazard.
So maybe maybe I need to, maybe I just 46 feels rich for like
how many, how many, how many? I've been taking Metcalf I I
think it's he could have like a 33% target share they.
Have no one else who? Understood.
A room at all? I mean they will have Al Mozart.
That's. They will have Al Mozart.
I mean, that's already been. Reported.
Given I I have Jamo ranked over him which I I have a sense the
panel will be against me on that.
Oh, I'm against you on that. I.
Think I think my feelings on Jamo revealed in our Dynasty
podcast. Yeah.
I don't understand why Jameson like he's like 2 rounds too high
to me. Sometimes you just got to go.
That boy nice and that boy is nice.
And I've been, I've been working this take in the back of my head
that again, you guys will probably disagree.
With that from this one, Davis. That's OK that the Lions offense
might actually be a bit more fantasy friendly for Jameson and
Laporta if they're a little bit less efficient and there are
just more receptions to be had. If if they're not, if remember
the they had two games where they scored eight straight
touchdowns, the Titans game and the who's the other team that
they just like? I don't remember.
The Jaguars. The Jaguars like what if?
What if we're just in in more spots where Jared Goff is
attempting 42 passes? I think that that is reasonable,
but I just don't understand why Jameson would benefit.
To me he would benefit the least.
Like when I think of like a team that is trailing playing catch
up mode, piling up the PPR volume like that's not usually
to their. Like low volume, just more
theoretical. Just more theoretical plays for
Jameson to score. I I get it.
I just don't think that like but but but when you're in that
mode, like if you're not being efficient and you're you're
behind defenses are are not giving you the 70 yard
touchdown. What they are giving you is like
almond raw 8 yard catch. Right, right.
Almond raw 8 yard catch. In some ways in.
Porta, I get it for Almond raw. I don't know that that helps
Jameson like to me, he's a guy that benefits from them playing
from ahead. The linebackers all come up and
then boom, we get you over the. Top single coverage.
Yeah, I, I agree. I mean, I, I also think that you
have to what the lions are doing is they're like kind of trying
to recreate that, you know, that magical run that that Jared Goff
had with Sean McVay and kind of, but, but like even better.
And they that's with Ben Johnson, at least they achieved
that. But that requires a lot of
things to be working together in harmony.
And one of those I think is just a strong run game.
You're pivoting off of that. I I think that if this the team
were to get like less efficient, it could get a lot less
efficient because it is fundamentally a Jared Goff
offense. I don't want like Jared
Goffense. Yeah, the Jared Goff.
Yeah. So I think I don't know, I want,
I want this offense operating really efficiently.
If I had anything, hear me out. Hear me out.
One more take. What if Jared Goff does?
Or what if Jameson Williams starts getting more targets at a
lower A dot in Year 4? He's just a little bit better, a
little bit more consistent, you know, full.
He's just been in the building for a long time.
I could see, I could see like. More.
Kind of crossing, you know, intermediate stuff, not.
Like get him, get him the ball while he's already moving.
Yeah, type type thing. Yeah, I tried to do that on my
Madden team with him, but he wasn't really effective in that
role. Yeah, like I I think he's been
better at Z with with a 52 yards for reception.
I I just thought like his hands were a problem.
Like I threw him a couple of contested slants and the ball's
getting popped and and I even got him The X Factor dev trait,
but it wasn't helping him in the short.
Area. All right, one more thing, one
more thing on top of it. How does how does Tesla play
into this? I don't have them on my Madden
team so it's hard to say. Who could know?
How could you? He wasn't.
He wasn't actually. He wasn't uploaded into this
draft class. Yeah, you could please stop
using turn. Tim Patricks turn Tim Patricks
need up to 99 and that is basically the same thing.
I mean, there, there have to be. He has. 99 speed he couldn't
separate in that clip that was going around Twitter.
Oh, he better have 99 speed. If he, if he's not, if, if Isaac
Tesla doesn't have like theoretical like high 90s speed,
then it's like one of the it's like a really terrible draft
pick that. Brett, that's why he says, well,
it's really terrible. Because I have some news for
you, buddy. Like the?
Guy like putting the hands on the shoulders meme.
I was like. Jameson Williams, ADP 51 He's
got to be good for two or three, five for 1:48 and two weeks.
That's just. I'm holding the line.
I'm not convinced by what Jacob and Pat said really at all.
I think that might be that. Analysis No, I I'm holding, I'm
holding the line is there. Jordan Madison, if you want
that. That's the part I'm not.
That's my point. Yeah, and, and and and I would
just rather have him straight up.
Jamo Jamo is. There, I just clicked Jordan
Addison. Jamo's just much better, I just
think. He's.
I think so too. What?
Jordan Addison is Jordan Addison is kind of he's, he's the, he's
the he's like the. More volume, he's more
efficient. Like what?
Like. He's he's the charmillion of
Devonte. He's the car million of Devante
Adams. This is what Jordan Addison is.
I mean, he was lucky to have Kenny Pickett.
I think we can all agree on that.
Just sort of a a product getting big game with Kenny Pickett the
other way. Pickett.
'S name because of Jordan Addison.
Yeah, the only reason. I look at that either way
because. Jordan Addison.
Oh my God. My my argument my argument is.
Kennedy had a disease named after Jordan Addison.
He's so powerful. It's.
All maybe not for Davis, it's all eyes, but Jameson Williams
is one of the very few players in the league where they get the
ball and your your jaw drops like it's just like.
That is, it's straight up that simple.
Yeah, most guys you know. His his Top Gear is as fast as
anybody's, I'll give you that. He's.
Very quick. You know what?
Yeah, he's very fast.
Fast. Let me.
Try and let me try and sell you guys on this.
He's a little. And famously, the the wide
receiver speed perfectly correlates with NFL success.
The the fastest guy. No, literally, literally 1 to
one. But can I, can I sell you guys
on him being a little tyreeky? OK, go ahead, I'll listen.
I'll. Listen so reek very similar
start I. Won't.
I'm listening. Go ahead, please.
You have the floor, Davis. So.
Bring it. Jmo's development curve.
Let's just be honest, Jmo's development curve.
Very weird. He had a just like an insanely
weird start to his and I was out really.
Not are you talking about a sports bet betting app the
development. On I'm talking about.
I'm talking about combination. ACL.
Torn torn ACL sports betting suspension.
Last year was his first full season.
He racks up 1000 yards and eight touchdowns on 91 targets and 11
attempts. Now at running back, my friends,
we know that efficiency is not a good predictor of future volume.
In fact, it's the opposite, A wide receiver, though we do know
that efficiency tends to be a larger predictor of volume.
And Jamo's going to be in a weird comp range because his
first two years in the NFLI mean, let's just be honest, they
were objectively bad. He he was like useless when he
came back from the ACL as a rookie.
And he was not. Particularly good in in year 2,
but then he was, I mean, he was awesome last year.
He was like, let's just be, let's just be real.
He was awesome last year. And I think my bet would be.
He was good. I, I, that's where I think maybe
we're just. I don't think he was awesome
last year. I think he was.
He was. Good.
He had 1000 yards on 91 targets. That is awesome.
Yeah dude, the 91 target versus the bus meme like yeah, he had
1000 yards on 91 targets like I you.
Guys are lacking imagination. That's where you're you're,
you're lacking. You're lacking imagination.
The problem is that Amin Ross St.
Brown is like, you want to talk about who's awesome?
Amin Ross St. Brown is awesome.
That guy's awesome. Jameson.
Jameson Williams took a step and is like a a good outside wide
receiver in the NFL, which is normally awesome.
But Amin Ross St. Brown is one of the best wide
receivers in the league. So the bar is higher here.
It's just not like, and then you have Jared Goff as a
quarterback. Like Jared Goff is going to be
locked into Amin Roth. Like that's just kind of who he
is at his core. So I think Williams could.
It's not that Williams that can't beat ADP, but I just, I
think it's it's a thin bet. It's a thin bet.
What? What happens if the coordinator
change is a big downgrade? Does that mean that's bad for
him? That's bad for.
Williams. Yeah, well, 'cause look, I mean,
we're talking about who can draw targets.
Yeah, who can draw targets. I'm in rock can draw targets.
That dude can draw targets. I don't.
The coordinator is not necessarily like critical for
Amin Ross St. Brown.
It's it's a bigger deal for Sam Laporta because he's got some
limitations as a player and and it's the it's the biggest deal
for him, probably the biggest deal for Laporta, but it also
could be a big deal for Jameson Williams.
I mean, one of the way it's like, man, I've never seen a guy
run so fast. How did he get the ball in the
1st place? It wasn't even always that he
caught it, right? They're they're designing.
Stuff, Yeah. The play, the play that always.
Comes to. Me about Jamo is the Jared Goff
has to go to the locker room for the concussion.
Hindenhooker trots in there. He tosses a jet sweep to Jameson
Williams. He goes 70 yards to the house to
like keep his team alive. It's like what Jalen Bronson did
for the New York Knicks last night.
Too soon. Like he just I there are so few
players in the NFL because everyone in the NFL is great,
right? So there are so few players who
are able to just have a true. Also it was Teddy Bridgewater on
Henna Hooker. There are, there are, there are
so few players who are able to have a truly unique ability like
that. And Jameson is like one of like
6 guys. I I don't Jameson is not on the
slide. He's not on the slide.
I love how he's not. He's not even.
On the screen much it's fine. It's. 59 This is ADP by the way.
We're not going to let the tools determine our content.
True. Quote tools.
Yes, by the way, on the list, George Pickens.
We've talked about DK Metcalf, connected Rashi Rice from 32 to
29. There's Prescott.
There's Jayden Blue. It's a big Cowboys week.
Garrett Wilson. Pat Bryant.
Big day this week, we got Chiefs and Cowboys all over this thing.
And Pat Bryant saying my boy Mims to the to the woodshed.
The rice thing is just a necessary reset, right?
Like we, there was no particular reason to expect great health
news. We got better than expected
health news and so now the market is correctly.
Suspension news too, and no suspension.
And, and suspension news. So like, if he's playing Week 1
and he's going to play the whole season, which it sounds like is
the case, Davis Maddock broke that news on on x.com, then then
yeah. I mean, he should be, I think
even higher. I would consider him in the
second round. Yeah, I think he can move up a
little bit too. Yeah, you hate.
You hate Xavier Worthy though. Yeah, yeah, he's yeah,
Absolutely. I hate him.
I hate him personally. You also you also have no no
imagination with Xavier worthy but.
It's correct, yeah. Did you get, did you see that
nice little 10% success rate against?
I saw your, I saw your, I saw your tweet and I thought it was
a good personal growth for me to not interact with it like.
Are we? Approaching the point and it
made me. Proud, fortunate.
It is unfortunate because I it was like I was like trying to
reel in, like I was tweeting Davis Bate.
I was, I was, I was walking around.
Waiting for the reply I. Was walking with my dog just
doing just being like, just being like, oh man, I'm going to
ZAP his ass. And then I was like, you know
what, I'm going to wait for him to score a 72 yard touchdown in
in Week 2 and then quote tweeted.
It it all takes exposed to you. Are we approaching the moment on
ADP chasing this way? The guy in there?
Is 11 catches for 94 yards, brother, and I'm gonna ZAP you
one perception of the time. I love, I love.
That Davis's growth is is ZAP goes from zapping people on
Twitter to just the bookmark. He just, he just bookmarks it.
When the time is right. The old screenshot.
Approaching the moment in the show where the guy on Discord
says you guys are just setting up and ramping up arguments and
Pat laughs and I just take a drink while you guys just.
Are we approaching this that? Is the whole.
Show he's allowed to accurately start with a guy.
Named Matthew Harmon, but he charted Mr. Worthy.
He had a let's see, you're at 20th percentile.
Success rate. Versus man, that's the 16th
percentile success rate versus Prass, a lot of a lot of room
for growth for gadget boy worthy over there, it seems in his.
Profile. Yes, literally.
There is so much room for growth.
The guy. The guy was like, legitimately a
starting. He was the leading wide receiver
and pass catcher for the AFC, representative of the Super
Bowl, and everyone, including his supporters, agreed that he
was objectively bad. He's got so much he's got.
So much room to grow, man, David, I don't know, at some
point we want to see some growth already and then and then
project continued growth, you know?
What I mean, well, I don't know if you know, but there was this
one play in the playoffs where Mahomes scrambled and then
Worthy came back to the ball and then Davis decided that that he
was the greatest receiver. Of all Davis, listen to these
two. Jameson, Williams, Xavier
Worthy. Who'd want them?
On their football teams, I mean. Ryan I know these guys are these
guys are all these guys are all charts and graphs, man.
Sometimes you got to just how how different, How different
would you feel if just one of the 70 yard bombs that Mahomes
missed him on connected did? Move in, I'd feel I'd feel a
little different than even .11 yards per right run, yeah.
They were all bad throws. He threw them out of bounds 3
times on. The that wouldn't really affect
my chart. No, where the where the ceiling
is is very high. So there's like, I do understand
the play. I'm, I think I'm kind of in the
middle here, which is to the Discord message as well.
But I. Do think there's a ceiling like
I, I think you know, worthy. He's a first round early to
clear receiver. He was, he was like didn't,
didn't he break out as a true freshman?
Like there's a number of he's super, super fast.
He plays with fast, He's. 21 years old today bro.
He's still. 21 if you're. If you're thinking about like,
who can break fantasy from like the 3-4 turn, he has to be on
the list. But it's just like, how likely
is it actually to happen? The press stuff, I would say is
like, I couldn't be concerned less about that.
I mean, we know who he is. Like, it's not like Xavier
worthies, like bench reps suck. Like, Oh, really?
OK, like, So what you know, there's like he's just he has a
style of play that he's not going to be great against, like
press coverage and stuff. But he's with Andy Reid and and
he's with Patrick Mahomes. They're going to find ways to to
get. In the well, the Patrick Mahomes
part. That's the thing you have to
worry about in this equation. And I'm not even being sarcastic
is if the Holmes is is just this Gardner Minshew style
quarterback then Rice is the way better.
Fit. Rice.
Rice is the perfect. I do think Rice is a better fit,
frankly, because Rice can Rice can definitely draw his own
targets, at least he could before he got hurt.
And and seems like their cover is going well.
So that's where I think Rice is like kind of infinitely safer
and. I I.
Really for our for our game. I.
Mean, I think higher upside we've seen, I mean, it was only
like 3 1/2 games, but like the last time we saw Rashi Rice, he
had like a 33 targets per route run and over 3 yards per route
run. Yeah, he's absolutely dominant.
He could have been the wide receiver one overall last year
if he had stayed healthy full season.
Christmas night or Christmas Day?
Patrick Sartan against Kansas City.
Who's he on Week 17? Probably.
Big he, doesn't he? Doesn't not right, he doesn't.
He doesn't go in this squad. Week 17.
Week 17 quarterback. That's a real game, though.
At least that's an actual matchup that we know that's the
one that. The honest answer is, like with
how Kansas City deploys the Hollywood, Brown probably gonna
get him on Hollywood. Brown.
Yeah, the answer. Well, and if you listen to Ben
Gretch in the in the the we were arguing yesterday in the ship
chasing discord, he Gretch is the first person I've seen
invoke the name of of Jalen Royals to to besmirch the name
of my boy Xavier Worthy. I just think people aren't
telling you. I think Gretch, Gretch had the
the audacity to tell you to your face so that I think Jalen
Royals is is being floated around as a Hollywood killer.
Give the 6 1/2 it sounds like, with the Chiefs on Christmas at
home against Denver, OH. No, I would take.
I would take. If you could get 6 1/2 on Denver
right now, I would take that I think.
That's the number I threw out. But there might be, there might
be a number out there that's a little high for you, no?
No, I'm saying, I'm saying Kansas City home against Denver
week 17. That's a That's a classic Vegas
Zone 4 1/2. Yeah, it's the number's high for
you. Pat Bryant.
Is he good? Baby knows.
Does it matter? Is he good?
It will matter, but we don't necessarily.
Need. Who does it?
Who does it matter for in your guys's estimation?
Who does it matter most for anyway?
Yeah, OK. Franklin's in trouble.
What matters a little for Sun? Matters a little for.
Sun matters a little for Ingram, but maybe less than than Sun.
It matters for like all the ancillary Broncos, because if
Bryant's like good enough where they just play him all the time
and they play Sutton all the time, then all the other Broncos
like the Franklins and the Mims and all those goofs are just
dust at that point they don't have.
The yeah, although those guys, I've not been on Mims the whole
time really. And I, I think in part because I
think he kind of always is probably going to be in some
kind of like rotational type of thing.
And right, they're looking for someone who can kind of play
more traditional. I think Franklin is similar
where he's going to be in like a rotation.
With the new Debri Henderson people are saying about.
What? Yeah, no, I think the Mims.
The Mims bat kind of like Robert Meach Mims will be in a rotation
exactly. But I think if you're betting on
Mims, you have to kind of hope that like everyone but sudden
remains in a rotation. But Mims gets the most fun usage
If if Bryant, if Bryant ends the rotation, then it's then it's
kind of over for Mims, 'cause then he's just getting gadgety
stuff that he's the. Yeah, then he said, oh God, the
the Pat Bryant thing. He's such a weird prospect
because he's slow and he had a 46140, but he was a deep threat.
You're like, well, how's this going?
How's this going to work? He.
Scored three-game winning walk off touchdowns, Yeah.
Eric Eric Proton was talking about him on the Rotor World
podcast and was saying like what he does as a route runner is is
pretty impressive in his mind and very kind of subtle in like
the way he like sets up defenders using his body and,
and kind of like, even though he's not fast, he can still
stack guys and stuff. But it sounds like the type of
dude who would be a pretty good fit to actually move into more
of like a shallow to intermediate role.
You know, and that's how Sean Payton talked him up.
You know, he compared him to like Michael Thomas or whatever,
which is ridiculous, but it's, there's a reason he picked
Thomas and, and, and not like a deep threat, even though he was
an outside deep threat. So I think he's probably the,
the hope for Pat Bryan is that you get a guy who can draw
targets in an offense where there, there really are targets
available. So I, I think he's a good pick.
I'd like, I don't know if he's good, but but you get draft
capital and opportunity, very little cost.
Like to me he's a much he's a better prospect, more
interesting plot prospect than like the rest of these kind of
random round 3 receivers. Like, I thought his profile was
a lot better than like to slaw Ty Felton, Savion Williams, like
even even absent just. To like him better than all
those guys too. So I I agree, I think you should
go ahead of men straight up. Honestly, I, I like him.
I I haven't even. Considered Jesus Christ dude.
Did you just wake? Up saying I'm gonna just I'm
gonna hate all of Davis's guy. Anyone who's ever been good that
Davis like I just I'm I'm sending that guy to absolute 0.
Yeah, yeah, pretty much. I was like, I was like, I lost
Jason Tatum. And now you're gonna feel.
I hope, I hope Max Domi plays all all 60 minutes of game.
You've been seeing my tweets calling on NHL Department of
Players Safety to police suspend Max.
That happens. That happens.
Please save us from our guy. Please get him off the ice.
That happens. I have been, I have been in
constant communication with the Department of Players Safety,
begging for them to just do what's right and stop Max
Domey's heinous crimes on the Florida Panthers.
Yeah, I can't wait for that slashing penalty 2 minutes in.
Yeah, I I guess like B holds less sway over me, I think, than
it does over you, Davis. Yeah, I mean really, I think
that is literally it is B is you is you just a, A, a 60 yard
touchdown does nothing to you. Watching Marvin Mims sky to the
air to drag his team to the playoffs in a game they
absolutely had to win in an overtime game, it's just you.
You are you are unemotionally moved.
Does just does nothing for you. I tell you what, I hope Savior
worthy has the biggest week two of his life.
I I need to see the the reply tweet.
Chiefs at Chargers Week One, Friday night in Brazil.
God, what? OK, well, Mahomes is going to do
his knee in that stadium, so you could just go.
Oh, Worthy is actually going to have a big game in that stadium
where no one can, like, walk, like where they're just like
sliding around on the field like it's he's going to do the Jaden
Reed thing Where? It's like, that's true.
That's seven people just fell. Down in the middle of the field
where he just ran in for an idiot.
Still time. Still time to delete that tweet,
brother. He lost Jordan love.
Yeah. But which quarterback is going
to have the hyperextended knee on that on that turf?
Well man, I hope Herbert can. Mahomes will have it, but he'll
play the next week anyway. For sure.
And he'll talk about how hard he rehabbed.
It be like, oh man, you know, it's really tough.
You know, it's really tough, dude, but.
Like I, you know, I, I, the trainers here are really good.
I got, you know, I got some good advice from Travis on on what
happens with the hyper extended knee.
So, you know, I'm feeling like we're in a good spot.
Pat, is it time for a Patrick Mahomes and Bill Simmons
podcast? Between these two?
Is it? Time, yeah, I would like to hear
those thoughts on that. Mahomes on Simmons show anybody
on Garrett Wilson real quick. Love him, love Fields, love
Wilson. I'm a glutton for punishment.
Yeah, I mean, I've been drafting Wilson.
He's not like a, you know, the priority necessarily, but I we
have him like rated ADP. I think he's fine.
I'm just way less worried about the the field stuff than I think
most people are. That tends to come out in the
brief stuff, but. Things things would have to get
so bad for Tyrod Taylor to come in these games, like so like, so
dark for. Taylor Aw man.
It'd be awesome if he did though.
It really wouldn't be awesome. We lost some I still.
Have some hope for Fields. Fields has flashed some some
really high end stuff. If you can get better coaching
help clean up the worst of it on the low end.
I got to find a fun player that I like today, so I'm going to
just not say any bad things about fields.
Otherwise, I'm just going to come off as the biggest dumor of
all speed. Unconvincing.
Another year of, Another year of.
This these six things go right, Justin Fields will make it under
another. Year.
Yeah, Garrett. Isn't that Jared Garrett?
If Jared Goff gets these six things, he's actually good like
these. You can if you but it's.
Kind of happened around the quarterback.
It's happened every year. With what has with Goff, yeah,
not every year actually we've seen, we've seen what Goff looks
like with when the make up comes off and it is woof.
That's pre COVID, but you know, you're right.
He was like, yeah, and I think we're going to see it again one
day, but we will. We will.
Fields has a Lion's assistant now, right?
That's. Yeah, yeah.
Unfortunately, I don't think that Fields and Goff have all
that much in common. So I don't know that like,
building an offense for Goff equates to building an offense
for Fields, but. I actually don't see the That's
yeah. Just to say Jacob, you're you're
wrong. It's all processing speed, it's
the same. Yeah.
But Goth like can process. He just gets rattled under
pressure. He.
He like you're right when you keep when you, but you have to
keep him clean in a in a way where you also have to keep
Fields clean. The things you can do with them
are the things you can do with them are different.
But I don't that the Lions absolutely loved play action
like loved, loved, loved it. And Fields makes a ton of sense
as a play action quarterback. Totally.
You know, I I think it's it's like kind of Tannehill esque and
he, you know, he did actually play decently under Arthur
Smith. It's just that like they were
committed to going back to Russ. He did wasn't amazing or
anything, but he was fine. You know, I think he he didn't,
he didn't wash out of that situation because of the way he
played. He washed out because of the
decision that was made before he ever stepped foot on the field.
And so, yeah, I think it's like part of a heavy play action
offense. And then, yeah, you're you're
doing some more designed run stuff with him.
You're doing more like boot stuff where he actually has a
chance to run. You're attacking deeper
downfield. But my guess is that the Lions
would love to have attacked deeper downfield on a regular
basis with. But they had goth, you know,
like that's kind of the way they do it.
But building everything off the run game and and all that, the
way the lions do it. I I expect The Jets to try to do
the same thing. And I think that also makes
sense with fields like so he'll have a chance here.
I think I now I don't know much about the the new OC like he
comes from the lions. I'm assuming good things.
We could easily like, you know, where Shane Waldron came from
the Rams, you know, like, you know, we, we've had all these
guys come from systems and we're like, oh, they're, they're
really good. You know, that so many guys have
come from Reed and then we're like, oh God, this dude stinks.
So I might be overly optimistic in that regard, but I, I, I just
feel like I haven't seen this guy with a in a good system that
actually passes like once. Maybe.
Maybe we get that this year. Maybe that'd be awesome.
I'm very into fields that cost and I'm very, very, very, very,
very, very into Breeze and then Garrett, I'm fine.
I I like taking. I don't know I'll.
Probably, yeah, Garrett, I'm fine. 6 to 8%.
Yep, maybe we will get that this year.
What we will get this year is ship chasing in Florida, August
2nd and 3rd, Fort Lauderdale, you know, Ocean Resort, all of
this. Jacob chimed in in our little
chat with Can't Go. And my family's got a place in
Muskoka that week, so I will not be there.
That's for Jacob Muskoka. I will not be there either but
it sounds great and it's available for the ship chasing
community. Coca want to want to host a a
bachelor party that weekend we're.
Looking I, I, I misspoke. It's not ours, but we rent one
every year different, you know, places.
Yeah, come on, that we're doing that.
We're doing a little yacht. Little yacht during the day on
Sunday. Sounds great.
Little drafting it'll be. It'll be a blast.
August 2nd and 3rd. Check that out in the Ship
Chasing Discord or on the Thursday show for more.
Right, Pat, anything any other way to connect with that that
you know of I. Believe that I believe that is
the the correct stuff. August 2nd and 3rd I wish I
could go fallers. Jameson Williams is on this
list. At the top is Jalen Tolbert.
There we go. We did.
We did hit someone on the list. So it turns out Jameson Williams
was on. We just got, we just.
Got to talk about it again since we're.
We we got, we got to it early. For those who's tuned.
Again, we got to add. Are any of these Ballers
interesting? I guess Tracy is a.
Little oh Dunze yesterday. I think Burrough is going to
wind up at like 80 P 64 by the time we like.
It's going to be by the time we finish this in August.
He's going to be more commonly stacked at the 6-7 turn with
Jason Higgins than he is. Promulent, promulent price.
We got quite into last call territory, Jalen Tolbert, Tyree
Kill Williams, Roma, Dunze down 4 spots, Tyrone Tracy, Jerome
Ford into last call territory at 2:02 and then Joe Burrow.
Oh Doomsay man, that's hard for me 'cause I still want to
believe in the player. We love the offense.
I know they're loaded and they've reloaded with Loveland
and Burden, but what is a Doomsay?
Whether that's best ball or even dynasty like.
I mean one, one of more or a dunes they they don't like.
There's just no other possible way to interpret taking Loveland
and Burton. That has to be more, doesn't it?
Of the two, no. No, because Rome was like kind
of a red flaggy prospect just because he was older.
Guys. Guys who wait that fourth year
can be anything, dude. The guys who wait the fourth
year can be John Baldwin so easy and especially because we know
that Penex. Is really nice.
Well. You know what I mean?
Philip Dorsett. Philip Philip Dorsett is that he
was. He wasn't an early declare,
right? No, Philip Dorsett was not.
Philip Dorsett was definitely not.
Yeah. Devante.
Parker, Devante Parker. There you.
Go Yeah, But Ryan, Ryan Gregson said that Philip Rorsett was top
15 on their board, so they got him a steal at Big 30.
Didn't even didn't even realize that was a Jacob jab, but I'm
glad it was 'cause he's a person today.
Click. The the there's no way to
confidently say right now the bears definitely hate more.
They definitely hate a Doonese. These guys are not worth
drafting. I think the market has it right.
They both dropped like pretty good in cost to where to where?
I said this two weeks ago, but the market was eventually going
to agree that I was right on more in Rome.
I haven't moved them in my rankings and now I'm able to
draft them because they're now available where I have them
ranked. But yeah, they're just, I would
love to hear an alternate explanation for, oh, dude, we
love Rome, we love more, but we definitely need to spend the
10th pick on a tight end and we definitely need to spend the
38th pick on a wide receiver. I think, I think there's another
explanation and I don't know that it's necessarily better for
either Rome or DJ, but it might be that like they don't love or
hate Rome and DJ. They were like, these are the
guys we inherited and they're cool, but they love Loveland and
Burden so much that they were willing to draft them anyways.
Now I don't know if that's any better for more on a dune.
Saying, yeah, that sounds, that sounds, maybe more.
Fairs so much that they're willing to set aside the old
guys that they like. That's probably not that much
better than if they just hate one of the old guys, but that's
why to me. Either way, I just want to bet
on the new guys. Rome is getting to an ADP that
I'm fine with, though I think he's probably going to keep
falling a little bit settling in in the mid 6 to late 6.
That's when I think it's a pretty massive drop off at wide
receiver. I'm I'm going to be totally.
Agree on that. Yeah, Rome.
Rome is getting close to where I'm just happy to take him
again. More have been a little bit
further behind on, but he's also pretty close now to to where I'm
just like, good. So yeah, similar thing to Dave.
It's like we, we move these guys down the ADP takes a little
while to catch up on underdogs sometimes.
And this is kind of steadily working its way to where these
guys are well priced again. Than risers rise because of auto
drafters. Exactly, exactly.
So you kind of have to be a little patient with with these
guys that you're fading and it can get kind of like sweaty
where you're like, I'm never going to get it.
I'm never going to have bears again.
But like they'll they will fall in a situation as clear cut as
this. And and I bet they fall a little
further. You know that this is one of the
lessons from doing the show is that the the fallers tend to
show up repeatedly on the chart. I bet that you know one of these
guys is on the. Chart well, just look where
Leonie has a rank and eventually they'll get there.
That is also a predictive metric.
Yeah. The borough one, I was kind of,
I would love for you to be right about that, that he falls like,
you know, kind of a full, you know, two turns.
But do you think Chase Brown kind of helps because people do
like to scoop value and you could you if you have chase
brown, you can you can do Burrow and you can always backstack A
sickie or something like. I don't think so.
Or just naked Burrow I think maybe naked.
Burrow you'll naked. Burrows gotta be like naked.
Burrow Tell. Me how you win.
ADP is going to be like, well, you're, you're yeah, I mean,
that's the tools aren't going to recommend it.
But that's where like, that's why I think his ADP is going to
be like 64, because I think he's going to keep falling a little
bit, keep falling a little bit. And then once he hits like 56 in
ADP, then all of a sudden, like people aren't going to want to
click him anymore at that four or five turn.
And I think that's going to expedite the fall because then
you're not going to have a lot of teams that are going to want
to take him naked. You'll have it on occasion, but
and then all of a sudden he's going to fall into like once he
gets past 60, then it's a point where like some people take him
naked. He never goes 4-5.
And then every time he falls to the 6-7 that the Chase or the
Higgins team takes him and you can see it settling too.
Or maybe if he goes it like say 62 or even like even like 56 or
something, maybe Higgins starts to move up because the Higgins
drafter's like I'm going to get ahead of the Chase drafter.
I'll take Higgins early and then I'll scoop the borough value
coming back to the mid 6. You can see something like that.
That's interesting, you could see that.
It's interesting too how like Jalen Hertz goes ADP wise right
around the same spot with not A.J.
Brown who's on the other end, but Devante Smith right there in
the FFPC hard way draft recognizing not best ball but
Adam Kraut worse. And I had the one O 1 so Chase
and we knew we would have Eagles or Bengals options with the
quarterback at at four or five. Yep.
Yeah, I, I think it's crazy by the way, that Jalen Hertz is
like you could take him in like the late 5th, like he's like, I
don't know, plus 197 to be the highest scoring quarterback or
something. Yeah, there's when Hertz falls
to the 5th, It's it's just sometimes I'm like, it can be
frustrating occasionally because I'm like, I didn't plan for
this. This isn't what my team's
supposed to look like. And now I just think, what, I
have to take Jalen Hurts now. I guess I do.
I guess it's just people just don't like him.
People are just like they're they're, it's kind of like they,
they, they're they're aesthetically turned off by the
tush push. They're just like, I don't like
it. It's. 26.
It's like, it's like, it's like Jalen Brunson's foul grifting.
Like people, people don't like it, but it's just undeniably
effective, right, Jacob? No comment.
God damn dude. You know, back to.
The fairies, 3 of my guys in a row.
He deserved it. Xavier Worthy is going to be in
the CFL. He might be a Blue Bomber.
Yeah, I don't even want him on the Blue Bombers.
Too small. Too small.
He would. Actually, he can't beat press.
Well, no, it'd be great in a league where you.
Can. Oh my God, he could have the
waggle. Yeah.
Oh. Yeah, that's true.
Unbelievable running start he would.
Be whole head of steam. Player.
In all honesty, he would be the best player in the history of
the Canadian Football League. He would win.
He's perfectly fit for it. On the schedule, by the way, so
the networks are taking turns announcing one or two games and
ESPNS this morning on Good Morning America, I believe was
the week 10 Packers Eagles game in Green Bay.
Is the tush push thing the Packers proposing to have it
banned really that interesting? Like, is that going to be, I
didn't, you know, get up early enough to see that?
But is that why that game is so prominent that we're announcing
a week 10 Eagles at Packers? Like, is that is that a rivalry
thing that we're supposed to care about because of the tush?
Push the tush. Bowl.
The Tush Bowl I. Don't know well.
That's what they gave us. We have 4 Eagles games on the
schedule that are official. And you know, here in Buffalo we
got 0. But you know, we'll get our
we'll get our chance. We got a Colts game announced
today, Falcons in Germany. Munich.
Any interest? Sure, I'd love to go to Germany.
I I'm not I'm not sure that'll work.
Out do you think do you think Anthony Richardson is brushing
up on his German I. Don't think?
Well, well, famously, famously, they tweeted the graphic of that
game Schefter did without Richardson on it.
Correct, correct. That was that.
Was they couldn't find him. That one I'd heard from.
That was when. Who made the graphic?
Taylor. Elite the league.
Michael Pittman Michael Pittman was on the graphic.
Who was? No, no.
Who? Who is in the graphic?
I don't know. Their their center, the center
was the first was like the the. Oh baby the.
Image Yeah. No team's in good couldn't.
Be our center. Do you mean Quinton Nelson?
Sure, Quinton. Whatever left guard.
Yeah, yeah, left guard Tanner Bordellini ain't making a
graphic. Tanner Bordellini would be very
funny. And if it wasn't?
Tanner, Tanner Bordellini would be would be would be funny.
It's like, hey, I got you the guys snaps for a quarterback.
Couldn't couldn't actually get you him.
No one's heard normal. Too risky to put a quarterback
on that. Oh yeah, yeah, I I saw it.
It's Taylor and it's Quinton Nelson, and then it's Bijon in
London. Perfect.
Davis, I used your dynasty rankings in a start up.
I'm in and nobody wants Jalen Warren and I think you guys all
have Jalen Warren around the same like early 60s.
It was the last time it looked but two rounds late.
You you find you find that to be true.
Like is there out there I? Don't even really want Jalen
Warren. You're you're looking at two of
the last remaining, you know, Japanese soldiers still fighting
World War 2 on Jalen Warren. Or maybe just one of them.
Maybe Jacob. Maybe Jacob's done just like
dude, where where year 4. If it was going to happen, it
would have happened. Caleb Johnson is the the epitome
of the Arthur Smith back. I was all in until they drafted
Caleb Johnson. Now I'm like, I mean, I'm fine
with them in best ball I guess. Yeah, he's, I mean, I actually
took them together on a team this morning.
I was all in last year, in part because it's like this is
actually the window. Part of my argument for him last
year was like, this is when these backs blow up.
It's it's this year where they've got the weak incumbent
that we know he can take the job from.
He deals with the injuries. It doesn't happen.
It's a bummer, but this year we weren't like ever that high on
Warren. You know, personally, I still
like Warren a lot and I hope he has a great season.
But like as far as ranking it, there was always a lot of risk.
And you know, the Caleb thing hurts.
We're behind on in ADP, we're about 5 spots behind.
We're like slightly behind on Caleb.
So it's not like, I mean, part of it is that this, hey, this
team doesn't have a quarterback. So investing in any of the
pieces feels like like a little rosy.
Maybe they will by the end of the day.
Caleb Johnson 75, Jalen Warren one O 5.
But yeah. I mean, I think Warren Warren's
still like a solid enough kind of contingency, little stand
alone value type of bet, you know?
And he'll have a. Role.
He'll have a role. He'll definitely have a role.
It's just not as exciting as it was.
I mean, the Naji part of it was like a big part of it.
You know that this is a guy who can lose a job to another back,
which is exactly what everyone expects them to do this year if
they get beat out by Martin Hampton.
But Caleb Johnson, like, I don't know how good he is, but it's
it's it's quite possible he's he's better than Naji.
And even if he's not, I think we're still going to like see
the Steelers learning that down the stretch this year.
You know, so it's like the the timing of like when Warren is
likely to be ahead of Johnson is actually now flipped.
We're like Warren, if Johnson's not that good, Warren probably
has more of an early season role than we expect.
But we still might get more Johnson down the stretch as he
kind of gets his feet under him and they check out what they
have. So yeah, it's just it's just way
less exciting as far as the the best ball mania way to play it.
Maybe a random name not on this list but have never discussed
this guy. I know almost nothing about him.
You guys have a thought on Ricky White, saddle receiver.
LED college football in punt blocks last year.
Punt blocks 4 punt blocks. He out produced Jaden Reed in
the one game that they played with each other as starters at
Michigan State. Do you know who that game was
against Michigan? Michigan.
It was like the IT was like the biggest game on their schedule.
Then Ricky White was immediately dismissed from the team for.
For being good against Michigan. No for for some sort of alleged
crime. He ended up suing Michigan State
University for being like unfairly kicked off the team.
Weird COVID season at UNLV out produced Kyle Williams Much
discussed OFT chattered Kyle Williams at.
UNLV on yes. And then was awesome last year,
but basically just one of those guys who just had a very weird
experience as a collegiate prospect and then was not good
at the combine or his pro day. But.
He does have the good underlying stats like that people like.
So he was not drafted, but signed UDFA with the Seahawks,
which means there might. Be I actually think he was
drafted. Oh, he did OK.
All of that is to say, you might tell from all that background
information pretty pretty into Ricky White conceptually in in
in practice, I think you're looking at the ceiling of him
being the new Chris Matthews. Like comes in the game runs like
9. Winnipeg Blue Bomber legend
Chris Matthews. Yeah, like makes like one really
cool play at some point as a receiver and we just never hear
from him again. But I am intrigued.
They also think, you know, they have Tori Horton.
So that's, I'm hoping Horton's the rookie that we that we get
there kind of taking, taking the MVS role is like his path.
People people forget that prior to randomly appearing as a
prominent component of the Super Bowl, Chris Matthews was the CF
LS Most Outstanding Rookie for the Winnipeg Blue Bombers.
He also Chris Matthews. Chris Matthews went to my
university. Nice.
Kansas State. Kansas State.
Wow. Was was Kian Coleman on that
Michigan State team? Different different Matthews.
Sorry, there's a This is a
different Matthews. Sorry I I apologize for calling
you out on your lies and. Just now.
Now what? No, now I need to know who it
is. Now it.
Now I need to remember who this is that went to K state.
Which which Matthews went to K state?
Which Matthews? There was a Matthews wide
receiver. We'll figure it out.
Are you talking? Are you talking about the MSNBC
host Chris Matthews? Chris Matthews.
No, I'm sure he, I'm sure he went to some, I'm sure he went
to some liberal coastal, you know, he went to Dartmouth
probably. When do we get to Austin
Matthews, Jacob and will he score again in these playoffs?
Austin Matthews will not be scoring.
Lasal, No Chris Matthews, also in 1967.
Chris. Yeah, he also, he also attached,
he went to the College of the Holy Cross.
Shut up, shut up. Bill Stevens University.
Tough game to people. Chapel Hill.
Chris Harper, by the way, is what I was thinking of.
Yeah. It's an instant starting
podcasting. Were we on are?
There any other MSNBC hosts? Do we want to know where Artie
Melbourne went to university? Maybe next week.
Brian Williams. You guys want to dive into Last
Call? There's some names here that
might be in play, Brian. Williams.
Good. Brian Williams, a three-year
graduate, actually. I think it worked.
Today I'll be talking about the NBA lottery.
I can confirm that Rachel Maddow went to Stanford and Lincoln
College all. Right.
What? What is this?
MSNBC host College Wikipedia? What?
Where are you getting all this so fast?
Is that where we're at? Yeah, just just clickety clack.
Last call. Yeah, I can't get the slides up,
but I can tell you where Chris Matthews went to college.
Players with underdog ADP of 200 or higher, A little bit of
change in that in the last couple of weeks.
If you're able to see us, the teams are posted.
Such a good pick. Can I go first because I don't
want to get sniped? Good.
Sure, I got one, but I went first last time, so why don't
you take it? All right.
I would like to take Audric estimate.
Do you want to talk about you want to talk about it If this
was the old CLV game, you know, the first the first time we're
we almost already got there. But the first time that a
reporter asks who the starting running back is for, the for the
Broncos estimate's name is coming out before RJ Harveys.
Doesn't mean, doesn't mean. You've done the Battle of
Trafalgar, you've done the Peloponnesian War, which war is.
Next. I did.
I did.
The Crimean War. Why don't we go?
The Great, The Great Northern War between Charles the 12th and
Peter the Great. We'll go.
We'll go with that one. Yeah.
We're right in right in line with the new Rest is history
pods. We're just like, what's?
What's new? Exactly.
MMM knows Mike knows my secret, which is that I'm actually not
smart and I don't read, I just. Listen to No, I didn't say that.
We're both fans of that. Pod is all all right.
Again, like a very different game.
You got to hope that you're back into points from estimate in the
playoffs. Still, I mean, it's still very,
it's still very unclear how we're going to determine the
winner of this game, but. It's a it's a best ball team.
I think that we're scoring in the final few weeks.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I.
Thought it was made clear, man, we're kind of running out of
players here. I got a guy.
Go ahead.
Jake, you go first. You go.
You go first. I don't want to take yours
again. No, you go first.
I I assist. I'll take Roman Wilson.
That was exactly what. I said yeah, is that right?
That's really good. That's really good.
Yeah, I was 100. Percent.
I'm sorry. I can't.
Tell you, that's my life. Wow, last week for Shard Smith,
I get it but or two weeks ago but Roman?
Wasn't. No, Roman didn't.
Think I was sniping anybody on that?
Objectively the correct pick I think Mike.
Wide Receiver 2. Yeah.
Probably wide receiver three. They seem to like Calvin Austin,
but he I think he might be good. I think Roman would be.
Kind of good, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
What did he put up in that Michigan, Michigan State game
with? I bet nothing, by the way, he
might. I bet, I bet, I bet literally
nothing. Ricky, let's.
Let's go find out. Ricky White, Keon Coleman, Jaden
Reed for Michigan State. Yeah, Roman Wilson.
I think is is worth a dark throw.
All right, Jacob, scrambling through MSNBC Twitter to try to
find. I've got to.
Go here while I find it back up. In Roman Roman Wilson 5 for 71
no touchdowns. Ricky White in that game, 8196
and 1. 196. Yeah, in a win.
In a win, by the way. Yeah, wow.
So all right, I'll do one. This isn't not news related, but
you know, is a guy that we've liked at legendary upside a
decent amount. I'll do 80 Mitchell.
Yeah, I mean, you know, we've talked about who had the same
yards per route run. You know, Keon Coleman, Xavier
Worthy. Let's throw AD Mitchell in
there. 1.51 yards per hour and literally the exact same 1.51
that Xavier Worthy put up. We also talked about guys who
take a little while to kind of become NFL.
No, guys don't get better in the NFL, per Jacob.
Guys don't get better, they don't improve.
We talked about how I actually want guys who are bad so that we
can see the growth. AD Mitchell AD Mitchell also
fast so Jacob is not into. That he's also fast.
So Jacob's out yeah. Yeah, but you know what AD
Mitchell can draw targets. You know his his targets per
outrun last year was actually pretty strong.
So we we need, we need him to yeah, his targets per outrun was
25%. Dude can draw targets, get on
the field more targets. Per Outrun, but I'm still
supported. Yeah, do more with your targets
and we might have something here.
You got all you got to do is pass Alec Pierce in your second
year and. All you got to do is pass the
guy who went Alec. Pierce is the most is the most
unfairly maligned wide receiver in the NFL.
That guy is like such a helpful player to this team and all the
fantasy community wants to do is just wish cast him out of our
lives. It's just we do disrespectful it
might be. He's Jalen Guy.
He's Jalen Guyton. You know he was.
He's he's drawn safety deep helpfully.
He was the Colts leading receiver in yards last year.
Yeah, that that's a, that's an Anthony Richardson stat.
AD Mitchell, Death Smash. Flacco.
Flacco really killed it with Alec Pierce too.
I like AD Mitchell. Look, I was going to take
someone young and exciting today.
I, I was, I, I was planning to take from Wilson.
Oh. Now I don't know who to.
Now I don't know who to take. So I'm going back to my well of
old free agents. I'm taking Nick Chubb.
Oh, oh, who are. You man, I guess wrong, I guess
wrong. I guess Lockett.
I would like just PSA to opposing counsels with Jacob.
If you fluster him, you can. You can create an unforced
error. Just one just figure out where
it's not. Cut him off with the past.
That's trying to get Jacob in chambers.
In chambers. I'm actually drafting a lot of
Nick Job. Are you?
The other ones are kind of bits. I haven't drafted any Marty
Cooper. I've drafted one share of Deonte
Johnson. I, I've drafted Nick Chubb like
in 30% of my drafts. I, I just find it incredibly
unlikely that he's not going to sign.
And then when he does sign, I think he's, he's going to be
like at pick 150 and then I'm never going to take him.
But I I've been, I've been drafting plenty of the plenty of
the Chubster. He turns 30 in December, and he
had a devastating knee injury that didn't seem to get back
from I I think the Yeah, well, that's.
Bad. I think the Browns moving on
from him and then they. And is like, desperate for
goodwill, Yeah, resigning their like, favorite player in their
franchise, like, at least that is like a pretty good sign, too.
I I think he probably retires would be my guess.
Really. Wow.
No, no, these guys never hang it up.
He's a Raven. I don't know, man, I think it
might be one of those like here's the time story.
Just the way he came off the, the, the how bad the injury was
and then you know, what he showed last year, the age, I
don't know. I guess if he wants to play, I
just like enough. Maybe someone will sign him.
I get he was terrible last year. I mean if I was an NFL team I
would give him a shot for like a tiny contract like second year
off the injury, one of the best pure runners of all time.
Like why not? Like why would I not give him a
camp invite? It just seems wild.
That I think that happens. I mean, it's still only May.
What's the what's the worst that could happen?
He's now come to camp especially like Nick Schaub is like, he's
like a noted great guy. Right.
Yeah, that's true. Worried.
About bringing him into their locker room, like everybody
thinks he's like a a lovely chat.
That's true. Who plays more NFL games in the
future, Nick Chubb or Derek Carr?
Carr. Yeah.
Do we do we think the car retirement's?
Real speaking, Speaking of our Indianapolis Colts fan Jacob
Sanderson, how are you liking knowing that your 2027 starting
quarterback just medically? Retired.
I'm so sorry to the dynasty community for for touting Nick
Chuck. What a what a terrible service I
I gave you just to get the starting quarterback for the
Saints completely for free. By the way, look at my look at
my look at my pick last week. Yeah, that was going to be my
pick. And you jumped the turnstile 22.
Quarterbacks for my theoretical best.
Ball games, that one that's good about.
I wanted Tyler Sharks, too bad. Very sharp he would have been.
I think he would have been a great fit in terms of age with
with Cooper and Deonte. Yeah, yeah, he's a chaperone for
the rest of your picks. Yeah, Yeah, there we go.
Look at that. Thanks, Brett Jones.
Nick Chubb could have a legendary upside when he signs.
I I don't think so. When you started talking, I
thought you were going Tyler Lockett. 200th time future
Future week. Tyler Lockett.
Yeah, I'm going first next week and I'm preemptively taking
Tyler Lockett. I had a tweet.
Now he went. Now he did go to K state there
you. Go Yeah, he did.
You want to see this real? Quick, Same time as me, Same
time as me, Tyler Lockett. Right, I I like this.
I could make more sharp yesterday the all 32 teams
ranked by how much money by cap hit they're spending at wide
receiver. There it is.
So that's from the bottom. You see the Chiefs near the
bottom. Tennessee.
Are rookies. Yep, Tennessee is third.
Well, they're still paying Calvin Ridley, so.
Or they're still paying Hopkins dead money.
Right. And then Ridley.
'S deal when you when none of your starting wide receivers are
rookies, you're paying them all crazy money because receivers
are so expensive now. Some of these teams make sense.
Miami, I like Buffalo at 18 at 28 or 26.6 million.
You see some teams like Houston and the Rams and Minnesota when
essentially around the middle with stars.
Minnesota around the middle is nuts.
It is. Addison Addison making like
nothing, Felton making nothing, Naylor making nothing.
They just they have one big. Contract One.
According to you guys, Jordan Addison stocks so.
No one, no one said that. No one said that.
I was saying. To Chopin Davis.
Chopin Davis for like Jordan Addison stinks for the loser.
Who? Kenny Pickett made him
everything he is. That's right, it's quote I.
Think I, I, if I remember correctly, I think the Tennessee
Titans are paying DeAndre Hopkins $10 million this year to
play for the Ravens, I believe was the number.
How do you that? Was the villain 15?
That is, that is D2. Digs Zillion's 15th is that Digs
what? They paid so much for digs they.
Gave digs like 24. Million and and Mack Hollins got
8 million, right? That's so bad.
What is Matt? Do they have?
Do they cut anybody? Like how is it?
They might still be paying some juju miners.
They they're yes they are. They are paying.
More when they signed Juju for the exact same contract that
Jacoby Miners would. Have taken Jacoby.
Miners. How did they want a juju
instead? Davis well, it yes, I'm sorry, I
just thought you'd like the bills here at at 18 with that's
Josh Palmer and Coleman is a rookie.
It's not even the Shakur contract yet and it's also not
including tight ends. They pay 18.3 to Knox and
Kincaid combined. Knox is 15.
So if you put tight ends. That's.
Right, That's right. If you put tight ends on there,
the bills come. Up here and Bills, the Bills are
are truly an exercise in let's just let's see like it's it
feels like a bit it's like a it's like a rehearsal like
Nathan Fielder bit like let's just I've never watched that
show. I'm just trying to pretend to be
cool. It's just like, let's see what
happens if we give Josh Allen nothing but but slot wise.
Pretending is a big theme of that show, so maybe.
Going back to Davis, just exposing himself at every turn.
You're like last week with the rankings like he, he and I are
in the the goodwill hunting scene.
Where do you like these apples? Because I called out a book and
he's like, or the podcast. You're right.
I didn't read it. I didn't actually know anything
about Peter the Great, but I heard the name recently.
You know, poor Davis. I did, I to be fair, I did, I
did after listening to that podcast, order a book about
Peter the Great 'cause he's, he's really interesting.
So well, that's I'm, I'm claiming future knowledge.
I'm really into the War of the Roses right now.
Oh, that would be the basis for Game of Thrones.
Henry the 5th and Henry the eighth.
Yeah, it's it's really interesting.
But the Patriots wide receiver room, by the way, I mean, it is
it is just so, so funny, man. The Mack Collins, Demario
Douglas K shot booty, Kendrick Bourne, Kyle Williams, Jalyn
Polk, Javon Baker. This is actually the funniest
thing about it is that the the the our lads depth chart Lis
Polk and Baker, who we all loved, theoretically loved last
year as the wide receiver 8:00 and 9:00.
I mean, it is just. That's probably too high.
So you're saying they're too high?
I'm. Saying, well, here's the real
question. Do the Patriots have the, the,
the the cojones to just be like, you know what, Polk, dude,
you're just terrible. We just, it's over, man.
We're we're just cutting you. No.
Well, Baker, maybe so Williams. Williams digs, Douglas and
Hollands are roster locks. And then they're they probably
have two other spots, right? And those two spots will be.
I think booty's probably going to make the roster.
I think Booty would make the roster.
Booty's going to start, dude. I.
Don't think he's going to start, but he'll he'll make the Mossers
the 5th and then and then that means it's like you got one spot
left for Baker. Baker's toast.
It's not happening. And then they probably keep Polk
as the 6th and cut Kendrick Bourne.
I think that's probably right. The answer is always is, is
Hunter Henry New England OK? What's coming up, Jacob?
What's coming up other than watching the Leafs try to plow
through? Yeah, I mean, that's that's the
big things coming up. But yeah, I mean, like I said,
the dynasty stuff's pretty much done.
I did a big mailbag last week for all that stuff.
So yeah, we'll have all the bunch of best ball seasonal
content up on thinking about thinking soon.
I've been taking like a slight break after the barrage of
rookie dynasty content. Dynasty points as always every
Tuesday night. And yeah, stay tuned to think
about thinking. We'll get all the seasonal stuff
up. I can.
I can promise I can't promise any tools on thinking about
thinking the the law job is unfortunately stopped me from
being able to sabotage the best ball industry with tools.
So none of those unfortunately or very fortunately depending on
your point of view, but we'll certainly have ranks and
analysis. Thinking about thinking seems
like, by its title, definitively tool agnostic.
We're not here for the tools that's.
True, we are, we are a we are a Luddite operation at thinking
about thinking. We we fear innovation at all
corners. No tools.
Davis I. Really.
Do you guys really like tools? No I am.
I'm streaming for 8 hours tomorrow.
It's going to be the subathon as the the calendar, the schedule
comes out. Karain is on overs that's on the
badge. Bros are on.
Ian Harditz is on Jacob. I was actually going to ask you
if you are free at this time tomorrow, our normal time, 7:00
AM local time for you, 9:00 AM for me.
If you wanted the first block, it's yours.
Yes, yeah, I can do this. Yeah, but just for one draft,
right. I'm not like as free as long as
this show is, but I can do. One, one draft.
There you go. I was worried you're gonna RIP
away that invite as payback for the worthy tweet, but no.
Although I'm I'm sure we'll be able to argue about something.
So it's gonna be super huge. Reeves is on, Ron is on.
It's gonna be it's gonna be a big long stream.
I think if we get to this is probably a lofty goal, adding
750 subscribers in a day, but I will do.
Sweet. My I I have AI have a very funny
idea for a giveaway, but it's unclear how many people who take
in basketball content remember fantasy insiders, the original
home of this world cast. But I've been thinking of the
perfect way to do a fantasy insiders.
I have like some of the shirts from way back in the day
thinking about that. But there'll be something.
There will be there will be something Buck is not going to
be on. I do have a video with Pete's
video editor Buck, who is when it has the most nuclear takes
alive. We have a video of the Jags
backfield on on Saturday but. Yeah, the worst big.
The worst takes of the Internet guy.
Yes, yeah, yeah, he he, he, he is at he's Buck is happy to let
it fly, but that that is happening tomorrow so.
Please, I got to start ripping your guys so I can get an invite
like Jacob. Pat, what are you up to today?
Happy to have you, Mike. You just got to be your.
Response to nagging. I'll be back on streaming as
well, some this week doing, you know, some streams with with the
sidekick. Going to be having some content
up on the the site from Matt Irby this week.
Daniel Raz also has an article coming out reasonably soon.
We should have Eliminator rankings up maybe, probably
early next week, but hopefully by the time before we meet here
again, I'm hoping to have the Eliminator eliminator rankings
launched as well. So yeah, legendaryupside.com.
Davis, we'll get that done. I got that riding mower to tool
around on 82 and sunny here yesterday.
So it's it's definitely cut the grass season in Western New
York. Thanks everybody.
Thanks for watching and listening.
Hasn't. Even made that 82 here yet man.
Record high, I think yesterday, only 72 today.
Now you know that we got to get our Buffalo weather quota
filled. Farmer's manual said it was
going to be 70. How would I know it's $10?
You've been, you've been. Hey Mike, have you been golfing?
No, not yet. Driving kids around, Lacrosse,
hockey, cutting the grass, you know?
I've been playing. I've been playing a lot.
I've been playing a. Lot nice.
I've only been out twice so far, but it's it's, we're getting
there. Rain doesn't.
Rain doesn't golf either. Or watch hockey.
You might be. You might.
Be on the wrong show? I don't know, I don't have a lot
in common with this man fantasy. Football, you guys both hate
fast 5 receivers so that's enough.
That's true. No, this is all.
I was golfing a week ago and we were paired up with two people.
We get to the course and I realized quickly the two people
were paired up with our 10 years old and seven years old, But
they're coming with their parents as chaperones and
they're like prodigies like they were.
They were unreal. They were smoking you.
Absolutely, except on the 2nd hole one of them hits like a
chip that would not great, but like for a for a 10 year old's
pretty impressive. Chips it to like 20 feet and the
dad races about like 30 yards from where he chipped it, grabs
the ball, throws it in the forest and just screams like,
and I'm like, what the hell did I just witness?
Yep. And I'm like, so I'm like
talking to my friend, like what is going on?
And then then she couples later. I'm on like one side of the
fairway and she's standing beside the dad and dad's like, I
guess you're, you're probably wondering like, why I I screamed
earlier And she's like, I was a little bit.
Yeah. He's like, well, what you have
to understand is we're thinking like we're going to hear the
good excuse. He's like my son's 10 and my
other son is 7 and it just doesn't make sense.
The 10 year old is so much worse than the seven-year old.
So sometimes I just get frustrated by how bad he is that
I have to yell at him. We're like, wow.
That's so gnarly. Oh my God.
And so like the entire rest of the round, like every time this
10 year old hits the ball, we're like great job.
Like awesome shot. Like way to go, kiddo.
Get him Tiger. Tiger.
Man, if I played with a 10 year old who was better than me,
that. 'D be.
Well, the 10 year old sucked, but the seven-year old?
The seven-year old, you gotta see him.
You got to see the Sabbath. Wait.
After after you cheered him on, we were like, oh God, that was
rough. Like this guy's never making it
on the PG tour. His strokes gained T to green
are not up to par. I'm not sure I could handle that
for 18 holes. I think I'd either you guys mind
if we just fall back or you know, just pick it up.
Pick it up tomorrow. I don't know.
Wild. That is rough.
All right, golf for me. To really sell it, guys.
Thank you boys. See you next week.