1 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:07,040 It's June 17th and Chris Godwin is a top ten riser, up five 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:09,880 spots by ADP. Thanks, Leonie. 3 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:14,240 ADP chasing is for when you watch ship chasing you go these 4 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:16,880 guys are just football guys. And the targets for outrun 5 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:18,160 leagues, that's going to be really nice. 6 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:19,640 Actually back in if it's oceanet get. 7 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,920 Scared to our crystal ball? Close your eyes, you know all 8 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:24,560 your entries are going to lose anyway. 9 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:27,360 That's fair. This is a Deuce von show. 10 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:28,720 It's. Anti cabal. 11 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:30,560 It's anti the best ball thought leader. 12 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,840 I'm obviously lying to some degree because like, I have a 13 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,800 lot of both of these guys. It's the most disgusting thing 14 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:44,480 you can make, but man, it's everyone. 15 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:46,840 And. Still still hits. 16 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,040 Welcome to ADP chasing. We're we're joined today by 17 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,200 special guest Mike Leone from Established Run. 18 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:55,240 Mike, how you doing? Good, I love the intro. 19 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,400 Leonie is a he's a good fit for this show. 20 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,000 You know this is the charts and graph show like when when you're 21 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,440 when you're sick of when you're sick of the ball knowers on ship 22 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,320 chasing you, you call in Leonie here. 23 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:13,360 I don't know. I was expecting, you know, some 24 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:15,400 of these time stamps on the past episodes. 25 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,320 Two hours. I don't know what I got myself 26 00:01:17,320 --> 00:01:17,680 into. Well. 27 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,480 We all have hard outs, that's why you agreed to come on. 28 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:22,680 Yeah, allegedly everyone on the show has a. 29 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,280 Hard out like an hour. Hour and a half to. 30 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:29,040 Like a group chat that we all like agreed upon a time without 31 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,280 saying I'm ahead of time. We're like, this is enough's 32 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:36,440 enough. I'll try my best to keep it 2 33 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:37,800 and an hour and a half today even. 34 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,160 Though So are you coming back next week for Part 2 then, 35 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:41,880 Leonie? Yeah, I was gonna say, I was 36 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,440 gonna say how many players are we even gonna get through in 90 37 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:55,760 minutes, Like two and. 1/2. That's fair, all right. 38 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,840 Since we're short on time, let's dive right into it. 39 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:03,640 The only really news of this week, I would say is this Juwan 40 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:08,000 Johnson stuff. He's down about 20 spots in ADP. 41 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:12,560 And yeah, this is related to this injury you suffered. 42 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,320 It's still a little bit uncertain what the injury is, 43 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,880 but the reporting is that he'll be out a while. 44 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,040 Hopefully he'll be back for the regular season. 45 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,800 But yeah, still don't know what the injury is. 46 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:29,120 Start with you, Mike. How have you adjusted the ranks 47 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,680 and the inputs on Juan Johnson with this this injury? 48 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,960 Yeah, we have him tight end 25 now. 49 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,040 It's kind of disappointing. I was actually talking to Crane 50 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,440 about this one of our Discord chats. 51 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:44,840 But like Juan Johnson and Tucker Craft were like the two guys 52 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,680 that we were really high on as like late round tight ends and 53 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:51,120 they both got injured. So that puts a damper on what's 54 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,920 already like not the best collection of late round tight 55 00:02:54,920 --> 00:02:57,880 ends. I still think both those guys in 56 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,280 the right spots in round eighteen, I would take them on 57 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,240 the right builds like it's, you know, uphill battle when you're 58 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,560 already a late round pick and now you're starting with injury. 59 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,480 But especially like in Kraft's case, I still think there's some 60 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:13,040 like end of season upside there with Johnson. 61 00:03:13,920 --> 00:03:15,800 I don't know. I'm I'm waiting to hear back 62 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:16,960 more. I really haven't drafted him 63 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,120 much since the injury, but I've also been drafting more earlier 64 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,040 tight end stuff and just not really needed him. 65 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:29,400 Yeah, I'm taking Johnson still some on car stuff and I'm also 66 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,560 like this might be bad. So I'm trying to. 67 00:03:32,640 --> 00:03:37,400 You're doing, you're doing like round 1718 car. 1818 only yeah, 68 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:42,320 like I've got a lave. I need car then in the final 69 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:47,000 round, I'm like I'll tackle on Juan Johnson as a third tight 70 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,840 end. If I needed a second tight end, 71 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:51,960 I would go also where it obviously that's a little long 72 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,680 to wait for your second tight end, but yeah, third tight end. 73 00:03:56,040 --> 00:04:00,640 I think maybe it's OK as you know, he, it's clearly like kind 74 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:04,640 of his role if he's. Yeah. 75 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,720 And there's like there's some drafts that I, I feel like 76 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:09,880 there's a lot of variants in the like which tight ends are 77 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,400 available in round 18 like some. Drafts. 78 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:14,400 Some drafts. There's some really good ones. 79 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:16,320 Yeah, some. Sometimes there's really good 80 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:17,560 ones. Sometimes people take a ton of 81 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,760 tight ends, in which case, like I'll take Joanne Johnson when 82 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:24,720 it's like him versus, I don't know, like Theo Johnson or 83 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:29,480 something. No, I ask this knowing the 84 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,720 answer already, but where was the Juan Johnson hive coming 85 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,160 from? I this this missed me entirely. 86 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:37,600 Yeah. So I realized this after he got 87 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:42,000 injured that it was that I mean, Sack had like a ton of him. 88 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:46,160 I I think Sack and I podcasted the day that this news came out. 89 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:50,400 And I guess I'm assuming that he was very high in the the ET or 90 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,040 relatively high in the ETR ranks as well. 91 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,920 I had, I mean, you guys fan pilled me. 92 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,480 So I was just taking no a fan every time like I I would this 93 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,280 this totally passed me by because I thought we were all 94 00:05:02,280 --> 00:05:04,240 doing no a fan. And then I started zoom out. 95 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,840 I zoomed out on the chart and realized I'm the one with no 96 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:09,560 Juan Johnson. I thought we were all doing this 97 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:10,400 together. I didn't. 98 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:11,880 I didn't realize. That this was multiple. 99 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:14,280 Guys, I'm not. I'm taking. 100 00:05:14,280 --> 00:05:16,800 Davis's exposures or so so. Yeah. 101 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:19,120 You. Can't. 102 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:21,000 Find out that doing. Davis, I'm I'm. 103 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:25,080 I'm just very polarized in that range and so when I need a 104 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:29,720 second tight end who I think can get 58 reception, 644 yards and 105 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:34,120 four touchdowns, I just have been taking fan instead of Juwan 106 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:38,120 Johnson and. I can give, yeah, I can give a 107 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:41,040 bit of the the Juwan Bull case. Let's let's just say for a 108 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,040 second this injury, he he's back for the regular season. 109 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:45,880 He's healthy. Assume he's healthy for. 110 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:51,440 To be clear, Sam wasn't in on Johan Johnson until he dropped 111 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,800 to the 18th round. Yeah, now, now I love him. 112 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:55,320 That's where all his favorite picks are. 113 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:58,720 And now that he's in the 18th. Price is OK there. 114 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,320 Price is great, yeah. But I mean, I think the argument 115 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,920 is the Saints are probably gonna throw a bunch. 116 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,400 They were, I think pretty high in pass rate last year. 117 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,240 Outside of Crystal Ave. there's just absolutely nobody else in 118 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,320 this team. And you look at Juwan Johnson's 119 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,840 like efficiency stats. They weren't that great last 120 00:06:17,840 --> 00:06:20,840 year, but you know, 20% ish targets were outrun. 121 00:06:20,840 --> 00:06:22,520 That's pretty solid for a tight end. 122 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:27,440 Maybe the Saints use Kendra Miller more instead of Kamera. 123 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:31,120 So those like dump off passes go a little bit more towards the 124 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,720 tight end position instead of running back and you can see 125 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:37,280 Juwan just sort of PPR scan. I mean like literally I. 126 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,520 Think you just talked about Taysom Hill by accident? 127 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:41,760 Yeah, I know. I I mean this. 128 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:44,080 Is what that is from USDOT dot meme? 129 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,640 I mean, this is like like literally Hayden. 130 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:48,240 Ever. We needed Taysom Hill late. 131 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:51,200 Round imagine where Taysom would be going right now at at tight 132 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,680 end after the Stewan. Johnson is fourteenth round. 133 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,320 I think I think it's. Definitely about the 14th, I 134 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:58,840 think Why, why did they make Taysom quarterback? 135 00:06:58,840 --> 00:06:59,600 I don't get. It I don't know. 136 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,640 Why did Underdog do it more than he ever has before? 137 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:05,240 So like now, let's make the switch. 138 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:09,040 I saw I saw a picture of Jeremy with Alex from the FFPC that 139 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:14,000 that might have. The the real answer is because 140 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,640 that's how the Saints list him. Because the Saints are Dick 141 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,640 heads. Yeah, yeah, the Saints are Dick. 142 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,320 They're they're, they're doing the emergency quarterback role. 143 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:22,720 Right. The emergency quarterback thing, 144 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,160 yeah, It's so dumb though. I mean, yeah. 145 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,480 I mean, he's not really a tight end either, to be fair. 146 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,920 I don't really know what he is. But he's a quarterback. 147 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:32,640 He's the least. Quarterback. 148 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:34,840 His real position is he's a fullback. 149 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:39,080 He he really Kyle Usecheck. Yeah, he is a Kyle Usecheck was 150 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,760 listed as a quarterback that's that's how much of A quarterback 151 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:43,440 takes from that was. Yeah. 152 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:46,000 List him as a running back maybe? 153 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,760 I don't know. Yeah, he he draftable as a 154 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:49,920 running back. I would take him at running back 155 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,720 43 if he was eligible there I think. 156 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:59,480 Well. Let's not hang on. 157 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,560 I'm going to pull up who running back 43. 158 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:03,800 Is that's it? No running back. 159 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:05,360 Like Zach Chardonnay or something. 160 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,800 It's. It's that's Kendray Miller. 161 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,960 That's Kendray Miller. Literally Kendray Miller by 80. 162 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:11,720 Five. That's if you. 163 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,040 That's not a big kendray. Miller, You can taste them over 164 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:15,280 kendray. Miller yeah, if you got. 165 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,680 Your upside's so capped there. Upside is so much lower. 166 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:22,840 Taysom's upside's like 50 points in a week? 167 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:26,120 Come on. You got to zoom out further on 168 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:27,680 the chart. You guys are thinking too 169 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:28,240 narrowly. You're. 170 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:37,320 Thinking too narrowly, it's. An ultimate, that's fair 171 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,480 situation, I think on the Taysom. 172 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:41,240 It's mutual. That's fair. 173 00:08:42,039 --> 00:08:44,600 I can see about the show so long 'cause now we're talking about. 174 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:45,920 Tasting. Oh yeah, yeah. 175 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:50,880 Pathetically, we've talked about half a player so far. 176 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,400 I just love, I love the idea of someone who's like checking out 177 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,600 the show for the first time. It's like, oh, fantasy football 178 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:57,800 like this might be interesting. And we just go straight into 179 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,040 Juan Johnson and Taysom Hill and they're they've already. 180 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,680 Don't tell to a player that no one's drafting because he's. 181 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,280 In a position he's not well eligible at. 182 00:09:06,560 --> 00:09:09,280 I do, I do want to make. I do want to make this clear. 183 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:13,480 We, we do, you know, underdog ADP on this program, but Taysom 184 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:17,440 is like an insanely good pick on draftkings.com. 185 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,200 I, I, I think I did one, I did one last night. 186 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:25,320 He's like 155th overall. But you, you just like you just 187 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,560 want to have Taysom where you can take him. 188 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,680 Yeah, 151 on on underdog. It's pretty good. 189 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,200 On DraftKings, no. I'm sorry on DraftKings. 190 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:38,560 Should actually on ironically he is getting a lot of buzz and 191 00:09:38,560 --> 00:09:40,840 this I mean and it kind of makes sense like again. 192 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,520 They have no one, they have no players. 193 00:09:43,560 --> 00:09:46,880 Skill players like it might be outside of a lavae, it's got to 194 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:50,120 be one of the worst skill position rooms in that. 195 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:51,080 Effect. I thought you were a shaheed 196 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:51,880 guy. What happened? 197 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:58,080 Well, I, I like OK, Shaheed's OK, but he's kind of just a deep 198 00:09:58,080 --> 00:09:59,840 threat, not a huge target earner. 199 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,880 I like Shahid and best ball. I I just think there's tons of 200 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:04,040 like opportunity. After what? 201 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:05,560 What is the I? Do like Shahid though. 202 00:10:05,560 --> 00:10:08,320 What is the? Most targets Rashid Shahid can 203 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,360 realistically earn in a season, you know, like, like really, 204 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:13,920 he's just not, he's not 120 target player. 205 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,240 Yeah, I think it's probably around 110 hundred maybe as 206 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,000 ceiling, but still could. Be. 207 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,000 But I mean, he's a deep threat, you know? 208 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,040 Yeah, yeah, one time would be great. 209 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:25,760 Perfect. He's I mean, he's perfect for 210 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:27,800 this game. He he's like he's he's kind of 211 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:28,680 like cheaper game. What? 212 00:10:28,680 --> 00:10:30,520 Would you would you say is there like a could we say like maybe 213 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:34,800 he's better in best ball though he's perfect for this game. 214 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,520 I would desperately try not to say I. 215 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:41,160 Didn't. Want to say I didn't want 216 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:45,360 because look, if we if we round trip best ball discourse to what 217 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,200 we were all saying five years ago like if we're like truly if 218 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,600 we're if we're just back to this guy's better at best ball like. 219 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,320 We are, you just say in that case. 220 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:55,720 No, I said. He's better for this game, which 221 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:59,840 sounds so much smarter. I don't know if it does, but. 222 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,480 All right, let's let's get this back on the rails. 223 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:06,440 Alvin Kamara. I did want, I did want to touch 224 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:11,040 on this briefly. He's allegedly holding out even 225 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,680 though he's like the most overpaid running back in the 226 00:11:13,680 --> 00:11:15,840 NFL. I, I don't does anyone have a 227 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:17,480 read on what's actually going on here? 228 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,560 My first thought is that the Saints were trying to strong arm 229 00:11:20,560 --> 00:11:24,160 him into like taking a pay cut. The problem with that theory is 230 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:28,400 that he had a pretty big roster bonus due on like March 15th of 231 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:29,840 this year. So if the Saints were interested 232 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:33,120 in cutting him they would have sorted that out before the 233 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:37,920 roster bonus was due. So I am confused as to what the 234 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:41,680 situation is. Yeah, Florio I think had, I 235 00:11:41,680 --> 00:11:44,520 think it was Florio had a article on it where he was 236 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:48,680 saying that basically The thing is they are interested in 237 00:11:48,680 --> 00:11:52,440 cutting him after the season because he has this big final 238 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:56,560 year on his deal that he's not going to see any of. 239 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:02,840 He's got 1818 million in $18 million cap pit that is going to 240 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:08,800 cut him. So I think they save, Yeah, I 241 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:10,840 don't know, I think they save 18 million or something like that. 242 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,200 Spot track got way harder to read anyway, they're gonna cut 243 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:18,080 him after the year. And so he's trying to get either 244 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:22,840 more deals at more years added to his deal or more guaranteed 245 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,440 money or incentives this season or whatever. 246 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,720 But he he kind of doesn't like the situation he's in where this 247 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:36,160 year I think he's getting like, let's see, I think his cap hits 248 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:40,600 8 million and then next year jumps to 18 and he'll never see 249 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:42,360 any of it. Got it. 250 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:44,280 Yeah. I mean, it seems like he has 251 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,640 absolutely no leverage from like a fantasy standpoint. 252 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,560 I'm pretty worried with Kamara's efficiency last year if he's 253 00:12:51,560 --> 00:12:54,880 like holding out and not practicing with the team that 254 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,200 that even though like, I don't think he's actually going to 255 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:02,120 hold out and miss games. Like it is a bit scary in terms 256 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,360 of the team just being like, well, you're not going to show 257 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,040 up. Well, you're bad anyways. 258 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:07,760 We're just going to roll with Kendray this year. 259 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,280 That part of it definitely starts to scare me. 260 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,200 This this is going to be the ultimate the market realizes 261 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,480 they were wrong the entire way thing where they realized that 262 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:20,720 Kamara was being a little bit overdrafted anyway and then he's 263 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,800 going to settle into a more appropriate price range for no 264 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,560 real reason. Not that not that he was ever 265 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:29,800 going to miss time or hold out or whatever. 266 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:33,360 Like I I think the chances of him not playing for contract 267 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:38,520 reasons are like sub 5% but they're better picks going after 268 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:42,600 him. Leonie Yevani takes on where 269 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:44,600 Khmer's going or his hold out situation. 270 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,680 I think the hold out makes more sense now, like given what Pat 271 00:13:49,680 --> 00:13:52,840 said where it's like he's just trying to make sure he gets some 272 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:56,520 guaranteed money paid next year as opposed to his contract being 273 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:57,480 bad this year. But. 274 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:03,520 Yeah, I mean they can save 10.6, seven, $10.7 million with a post 275 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:07,240 June 1st release next year. So that's he's gonna get caught 276 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,480 after the year. Yeah, I don't mind a comfy 4% 277 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:12,440 exposure to Elvin Kamara. Oh, I. 278 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,520 Priced that I. Think actually that's fine, 279 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:17,440 that's. Even four 4% I guess. 280 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,920 That's yeah. Yeah, we could use through the. 281 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:24,000 I we're we've got him like 3 spots behind ADP positionally, 282 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:25,640 which is kind of a lot when you like. 283 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,440 Yeah. Do it because like 2 running 284 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:30,240 backs total go from rounds 4 to 8. 285 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:36,920 So yeah, that's kind of a lot. And it's, I mean, an underdog 2, 286 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,520 the bowl case is obviously not as strong like the bowl case is 287 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:41,360 that he just, I mean, you've got it on the screen. 288 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,960 He led the league in running back catches per game, which is, 289 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,440 you know, it's, it's not nothing, especially if you're 290 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:51,360 playing full PPR. But an underdog, you know, 291 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,560 that's not going to add up as quickly, like you're going to 292 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,320 need some efficiency. Let let me hit you guys with a a 293 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,840 terrible take. I don't really believe but. 294 00:14:59,960 --> 00:15:02,680 Look. Look at the Jamal. 295 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,800 Look at these Jamal Williams rushing efficiency stats. 296 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:08,800 Is it? Is it possible that the Kamara 297 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:13,960 bad efficiency stats are just St. stats and not Kamara stats? 298 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:16,080 I don't. I just couldn't. 299 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:17,920 I couldn't. I really couldn't sell that one. 300 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:18,920 I don't believe it at all. But. 301 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,440 I mean, I'm just. Trying to use my Tampa Bay 302 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,280 Rashad boy I'm. Trying to yeah, I'm. 303 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:28,320 Trying to. The thing I I'd say there is I 304 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:31,600 think like both these guys are like aging and not like like the 305 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:35,000 comp to like just Jamal Williams isn't like your strongest to 306 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:39,560 make this case. And even if it was, I was 307 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:41,840 talking to Brandon Thorne and I'm like, I know he's pretty 308 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:45,280 concerned about this New Orleans online possibly dropping off, 309 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,000 which is like not great if you've already got efficiency 310 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,680 concerns. The team is like falling into 311 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:52,520 the sea. It's insane. 312 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:53,560 The. Team is so bad. 313 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:57,760 It's so bad. Let's move on. 314 00:15:57,760 --> 00:15:59,880 Here, so, which is another reason to not really be that 315 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:02,120 into Alvin Kamara. Yeah, right. 316 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,040 I mean, again, if you're gonna take him, Leonie said it 317 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,600 perfectly. If you're gonna take him, go to 318 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:10,880 DraftKings FFPC cause the there definitely are outcomes where 319 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,760 again, we've talked about how Baron the Saints depth chart. 320 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:15,360 Is I think the third round's a little early. 321 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:16,920 I wouldn't. I wouldn't do FFPC. 322 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,720 OK, sorry I don't know who's ADP over there. 323 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,400 My point was. I don't know either, but they 324 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:24,280 love their running backs. Yeah. 325 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,840 So like this, that's part of the issue honestly on the other side 326 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,480 this is we have more expensive. On other sites. 327 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,280 Like we have Kamara on DK, we have him in line with his 328 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:37,080 positional ADP, but we have him like even further behind his 329 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,720 overall ADP just because like those running backs are pushed 330 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,320 up further than they should. There So it's like, all right, 331 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,800 well, if the new if the new basketball website launches that 332 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,960 has similar ADP to underdog but his PPR, then that's where you 333 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,800 want to take Alvin Kamara. All right, so we're drafting 334 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:57,080 Taysom Hill at running back at a certain pick and we're drafting 335 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,960 Albany Kamara on a new new basketball site. 336 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:01,920 Yeah, exactly. That's the. 337 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,400 He's only he's only draftable on a hypothetical basketball 338 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:09,240 website. You guys have Najee ahead of him 339 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:09,720 now, right? I. 340 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:15,440 Don't let me. I think we have it pretty close. 341 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,400 Yeah, we have Najee one spot ahead of him, but like they're 342 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:22,040 pulled to ADP, so it'd be like probably more a couple more 343 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:25,040 spots if it was. If we didn't, he comes. 344 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:29,000 Out just ahead of ahead of Naji in the leg up rankings, but I 345 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:32,280 would have him behind Naji if the ADP had it that way. 346 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,280 That's like kind of more where I think he should probably go now. 347 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:39,720 I got a jump. I got a jump scare seeing Naji 348 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:41,160 all the way up to Running Back 20. 349 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:44,040 That was a little that was a little surprising that that one 350 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:47,600 had passed me by. I've been taking Naji to the 351 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:51,400 surprise of no, she's now yeah. Say the line, Bart. 352 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:55,600 But. Yeah, he could be. 353 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:57,760 He could be a jump the shark. He could be one of the jump the 354 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:01,680 shark guys that like he's in a perfect situation for his skill 355 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:03,800 set, right? They're going to run the ball a 356 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:05,440 ton. And he wasn't bad last year. 357 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,320 He was bad for two years, then he wasn't bad. 358 00:18:09,120 --> 00:18:11,640 I like Jaylen Warren a lot more. I take a lot more Jaylen Warren, 359 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,040 but I'm taking Naji. I might, I might end up like a 360 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,080 little underweight, but I'm not going to have a fade like a true 361 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,480 fade on Naji. It just it just seems like it's 362 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,640 imprudent. And it's also like the the spot 363 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:23,720 they're in now, let's say Jaylen Warren's better. 364 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:27,640 And the team realizes that like Naji isn't dusted, whereas like 365 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:29,720 in the past year he might have just been dusted like. 366 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,560 There's so much volume in the same way we were like Warren can 367 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,560 get there even if Naji gets to work well, it could go the other 368 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:38,320 way like Naji could get there even if Warren is the 1A by the 369 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,400 end of the season. I'm just so I'm so poisoned by 370 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,280 Arthur Smith. I'm just like imagining the 371 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,760 Steelers being a really low scoring team and then Arthur 372 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:50,160 Smith just like Galaxy branding, like Justin Fields in the Taysom 373 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,920 Hill role, Cordell Patterson at the goal line. 374 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,720 I know that's like, not I'm definitely probably missing the 375 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,880 forest for the trees, but. I do have this reality but the 376 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:02,440 vibes are correct. Yeah, I I just have this fear 377 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,000 that they're gonna be like. We're gonna be be pretty bad. 378 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:07,360 For touchdowns on this team in general. 379 00:19:07,360 --> 00:19:09,520 And then Arthur Smith is just gonna be like, all right, 380 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,960 Darnell Washington goal line package with Justin Fields at at 381 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,320 quarterback. It's just gonna be like. 382 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:16,320 What? Who's the quarterback? 383 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:18,800 No. Well, in, in the Taysom Hill 384 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:23,080 role, he's a, he's a rotational Taysom Hill type player in my in 385 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:29,640 my conjuring of the Steelers. Hey, if that's the first play, 386 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:34,520 Sam, you, you owe me. Yeah, if they come out, does 387 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,320 that count if they come up with Week 1 Russell? 388 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,400 He's a starter, baby. He started the pill. 389 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,720 Package he's. The first play of the game, he. 390 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:43,520 Started with. Spirit of the game versus 391 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:47,920 technical rules there. Yeah, I'm gonna need a lawyer. 392 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:49,360 I'm gonna need a lawyer if that happens. 393 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,160 Let's talk Eli Mitchell here and then we'll get to I should have 394 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:56,040 previewed this up front, but the the meat of the show is gonna be 395 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:59,520 talking about ETR rankings versus ADP last riser and fall. 396 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,920 We're gonna hit on here Elijah Mitchell, who I forget who 397 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,600 called out him in the game last week. 398 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:10,600 It might have been me, but he's up 10 spots by ADP to pick 188. 399 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,040 I don't think there's much to say here. 400 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,040 I think it's just like this is an obvious like Vadnais pricing 401 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,600 from the market in my opinion. Like he shouldn't go in the one 402 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:21,200 sixties one 50s I think. Is everyone on the same page 403 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,120 there I. Think there's I think like him 404 00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:27,240 and CEH at this point in the year are obvious RB twos on good 405 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,360 offenses when we're taking like guys that might not see the 406 00:20:30,360 --> 00:20:34,200 field and it's like that in in a month or two from now when like 407 00:20:34,360 --> 00:20:37,440 we know what these other depth charts are, that might change. 408 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,960 But for right now, they're the best lay around clicks. 409 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:46,120 So I'm taking chi understand the case, but like I was getting to 410 00:20:46,120 --> 00:20:49,440 where I had like a pretty big bag of Ch and it's there is this 411 00:20:50,120 --> 00:20:53,000 talk that I you know, you kind of have with yourself when you 412 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,520 see the chapter exposure really creeping up and it's just like 413 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,120 this guy could be passed by anybody. 414 00:20:59,120 --> 00:21:01,080 Anybody. Anybody. 415 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,360 And the and the Reece Samet dude isn't it. 416 00:21:03,360 --> 00:21:04,800 He's like literally a special teamer. 417 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:06,240 They're not even teaching him running back. 418 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,400 Well, you want a little bit of Chiefs alpha here. 419 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,480 It's Oh yeah, I I learned a name. 420 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,520 I learned a name in the Chiefs backfield yesterday. 421 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:16,520 Carson, Carson Steele is the guy who all the coaches are are 422 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,000 talking about. I mean we're talking about like 423 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:25,080 a non athletic part time PAC 12 running back, like not a 424 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:28,280 prospect, but it's. Probably better than CEH. 425 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,760 Probably better than CEH, and that is that is the guy who 426 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,280 would kind of be like a passing down specialist too, which is 427 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:39,920 kind of what Pacheco is not where you might get yourself in 428 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:45,400 a spot where you have this giant Mazda Miata of of Clyde Edwards 429 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:49,000 Hilaire and it turns out he just is like inactive on game days. 430 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:50,920 And I know we're trying to avoid taking zero. 431 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:52,600 It's going to be inactive on game days. 432 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,880 This is like the. The odds of that are are pretty 433 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:57,880 low. I'm, I'm it's, it's for effect, 434 00:21:58,000 --> 00:21:59,960 Michael. They gave him a million, they 435 00:21:59,960 --> 00:22:02,120 gave him $1,000,000, a little more the. 436 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:06,440 Effect was that you you submarined a pretty good case to 437 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,440 that boy. Yeah, but that that he basically 438 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,800 gets. Davis like having a good point 439 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,240 but then ruining it by just going way overboard and then 440 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,560 like the tractors have something very easy to attack. 441 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,760 Well, he actually, if you, if you really, if you really want 442 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:23,720 to open your third eye, he could get past. 443 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,440 If Reed Sammit is the kick returner, if Reed Sammit is the 444 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,520 kick returner, if Carson Steel is the running back too, then 445 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,000 you find yourself. That's actually true if. 446 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:35,440 They like CEH, you know, like. They they definitely do not. 447 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,400 I think they. Like him relative to how much 448 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:38,720 they should like him. That's. 449 00:22:39,120 --> 00:22:40,360 True. Yeah, that's true. 450 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,280 He's they obviously don't love him in the sense that he's been 451 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,200 replaced, but they've really had no choice to do that. 452 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,040 I, I guess it could happen again, but I guess I mean more 453 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,960 like like we're drafting over the course of this summer. 454 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,480 I think in a month or two, like you're, there's going to be 455 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,560 probably more bats to pick from in round 18. 456 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,200 But I'm just saying like, if you're picking today, I I don't 457 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:02,480 mind. Like I think you probably want 458 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,920 to be overweight. Like chapter and Elijah probably 459 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:06,040 get to go. Ahead, I would watch. 460 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,360 I would watch getting really overweight though, 'cause he 461 00:23:08,360 --> 00:23:11,960 'cause like you're trying not to take a zero and Chapter is 462 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,960 probably not a zero, but like he's not the guy. 463 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,400 He's not like he's. Close last year to like being 464 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,160 like really important in the best ball playoffs. 465 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,600 No, he was he, he was the, he was the, I think the third 466 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,760 highest scoring running back in week 16 or fourth highest 467 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,960 scoring running back. Could be like a the Zay Jones of 468 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:29,760 running backs I suppose. Yes. 469 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,800 Well, it's just sounds. I mean, anyone who's starting 470 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,160 running back for the Chiefs is gonna have like a decent range 471 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,040 of outcomes no matter. Yeah, I remember Sharkandrick 472 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,280 West. Nile Davis. 473 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,240 Nile yeah, like. It's they're literally anyone. 474 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,400 And they use, I mean, like, he'll catch passes and McKinnon 475 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,080 does not look like he's coming back. 476 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:50,640 No, I think it's over for McKinnon. 477 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,680 Yeah, exactly. Pat, do you have that same 478 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,280 skepticism for Mitchell or is 'cause he's a guy that I would 479 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,440 be fine being like 35% on, right? 480 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:02,600 Now I I don't have the same skepticism in the sense that I'm 481 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:07,280 sort of like, but I worry with CEH is I just like look back on 482 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,920 these exposure. I'm like, why didn't I try a 483 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:15,040 little harder to find the dude and Mitchell, I don't feel that 484 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:16,480 way. He could be. 485 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,520 It's a little easier for me to see him being the dude because 486 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,880 he's been good when given the chance and they do seem to 487 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,240 believe in him. And you're getting a discount on 488 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,040 him because of Gorendo, who might be nothing. 489 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:30,040 He has been, you know, banged up, and I think they're pretty 490 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,440 frustrated with that. And so I could see him 491 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,400 sustaining some kind of minor injury and then potentially him 492 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,000 losing the RB2 job in season if Gorendo has any juice. 493 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,360 Or who's the dude out of Missouri? 494 00:24:42,360 --> 00:24:46,400 Cody Schrader. Like the SEC leading rusher from 495 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,800 last year. Yeah, like that, that concerns 496 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:53,800 me a little. But he's definitely he's more 497 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,440 exciting to me because I could see him. 498 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,120 Yeah. So I I would say if you want to 499 00:24:58,120 --> 00:25:00,840 get pretty overweight with him now and then start to mix in 500 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,160 other dudes. But I'm actually like, I'm fine 501 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:07,560 with like Tyron Tracy. I'm taking a little loud B now. 502 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,000 He's getting some good reports. Braylon Allen like, I think we 503 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,640 do have some other. Well, the Braylon Allen thing. 504 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,040 The opportunity evaporated in a day. 505 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,040 Yeah, he's still in loud B that's. 506 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,640 True, I think like Allen might feel better about, but like I I 507 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,000 don't know some of these other guys. 508 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,560 I'm still you're not. In on Tracy yet? 509 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,880 I there's definitely like spots where I click them, like 510 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,440 especially if I really feel like I need, I don't know, the home 511 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,760 run swing, but I just feel like I'll wait a month. 512 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:40,800 And even if I get him at a worse price, like fourteenth round, 513 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,240 you know, I don't think it's going to, yeah. 514 00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:45,680 But there is kind of the leverage element within 515 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,760 bestball. I mean, like, if he turns out to 516 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,080 be like very clearly the RB2, he's going to be drafted on 517 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,480 every late team, but he'll be drafted on very few of these 518 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,240 teams. So not very few, but he's gonna 519 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,240 be drafted. Some of these guys will be 520 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,240 drafted less than like the CEH. He's probably not the best 521 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:04,640 example. Yeah, no, he's draft. 522 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,280 We've got him at 91% right now. He's not the best. 523 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,200 You're gonna get him at a worse price. 524 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,040 But I'm like, I'm not like overthinking that when it's like 525 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,760 round 13 versus. We're drafting teams, not 526 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:20,600 exposures, brother. I was having, I don't know, but 527 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,760 I, I do think Mitchell's a better play than Chapter in the 528 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:24,960 sense that, yeah. Yeah. 529 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:30,440 Like it's very very very unlikely Mitchell gets past a 530 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:34,480 non injury right Like. I I agree with that. 531 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,360 I mean. Like chapter, you can see it 532 00:26:36,360 --> 00:26:38,560 like you guys said, like I don't think it's going to happen, but 533 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,200 it wouldn't be like shocking if it happened like Mitchell. 534 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,800 It'd be pretty shocking if like, Gorendo bites Mitchell. 535 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,760 I'd be pretty shocked by that just based on how. 536 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,560 Because it meant that they got a third round pick, right? 537 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,360 That would really be the shocking part of it. 538 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:02,360 Yeah, you mentioned before we go to the Leonie or ET Rs biggest 539 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,680 stances for ADP. Braylon Allen, who we mentioned 540 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,400 is also up 10 spots here, continues to get good buzz. 541 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,760 I I like him quite a bit in this range. 542 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,560 Yeah, market, market, learned Ball. 543 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,680 He he's about, he seems very locked in to the RB2 role. 544 00:27:18,120 --> 00:27:24,120 Izzy had some kind of like issue He's getting. 545 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,520 He's getting mad, dude. There's no chance. 546 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,440 I mean, and then it's like Isaiah Davis versus Braylon 547 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,560 Allen. And Isaiah Davis hasn't really 548 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,440 impressed and Braylon Allen has and he was drafted higher. 549 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,160 Like this is a pretty easy one. He's he should continue to rise 550 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,560 quite a bit. Did anyone pick him for our game 551 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,840 yet? Who? 552 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,440 Braylon. Yeah, Braylon Allen. 553 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,080 No, but I think we're a little late on that one. 554 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:56,160 I did. Shit, what's the functional 555 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,200 difference between Braylon Allen and Ray Davis? 556 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,400 Ray Davis. Oh, Ray Davis's base role could 557 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,000 be a lot better than that's true than Braylon Allen's. 558 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,040 Yeah, he could have stand alone value without injury in a way 559 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,080 that Braylon I don't think really can. 560 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,880 Yeah, yeah, I agree. OK, let's get to. 561 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,560 So this is establish Iran's biggest targets versus ADP. 562 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,040 I redacted some names here. So you do still have to pay for 563 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:23,880 the rankings. You just can't use this chart 564 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,840 and get all the answers. But I did this based on raw ADP. 565 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,400 I realized that percentage basis is probably the better way to 566 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:32,880 look at it. But I thought this was an 567 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:37,240 interesting group of names of kind of deeper cuts, but guys 568 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,560 that we haven't really spent much time talking about it all 569 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,440 this offseason. And the first two names, this 570 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:46,080 really goes back to ADP chasing score content, the Giants wide 571 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:47,520 receiver room. I don't think that's true. 572 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,520 This is this is what made us. What we are this is. 573 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,680 What we're born to do. I I feel like. 574 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,680 On the map. I feel like I have to caveat 575 00:28:55,680 --> 00:29:00,120 this whole list because like Sam said, he did it on on RAW and a 576 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,720 lot of these guys are of course, just very late round picks to 577 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,560 like you're not gonna have a ton of exposure to, you know, you're 578 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,640 not gonna go crazy on. Yeah, but this is the only way 579 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,280 to get Jalen Hyatt and Darius Slayton at the top of the list. 580 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,000 Exactly. Yeah, No, I. 581 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,440 I mean, we had to do. Yeah, I did it the other way. 582 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,480 And you know, with these three hour shows that we do every 583 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,960 week, we've basically talked about every single player in the 584 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,080 top 100. We we gotta go to 150 and beyond 585 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:26,800 to get the names that we haven't talked about yet. 586 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:28,480 So let's start with this giant stuff. 587 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,880 I think this is actually pretty interesting. 588 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,800 So I looked at with the Giants wide receivers last year. 589 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,560 I pulled their stats from weeks 3 to 17. 590 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,480 That was when all of Slayton, Wandale, and Jalen Hyatt were 591 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:47,200 all healthy and playing decent roles in those games. 592 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,400 Darius Slayton ran the most routes, followed by Wandale and 593 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,320 then Jalen Hyatt. I thought it was interesting 594 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,320 here is sort of looking at their slot rates and then trying to 595 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,600 figure out what's going to happen when the league neighbors 596 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,160 enters the fold here because he's obviously going to be 597 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,360 running, you know, close to 90% of the routes, maybe even closer 598 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:10,200 to 100. And he was 1/2 time slot half 599 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:16,080 time outside player at LSU. So I think that sort if they, 600 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,800 you know, I would think they want to use him in a similar way 601 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,640 for the Giants. I think the the way to get the 602 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,040 best out of these elite alpha wide receivers is to move them 603 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,120 around the formation. If he's running, you know, 50% 604 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:32,240 of his snaps in the slot, I think that really puts someone 605 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,560 like Juan Dale at risk of just not being on the field much and 606 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,840 makes makes Slayton and Hyatt sort of much better picks than 607 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,400 Wandale. Start with you, Leone is I 608 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,240 realize you guys are much higher on Slayton and Hyatt than than 609 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,640 Wandale. Is that part of the reason why 610 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,080 or how are you sort of viewing these giants slate around guys? 611 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,240 We just kind of have them underpriced as a collective. 612 00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,600 You know there's we have Malik Neighbors, we have, we basically 613 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,360 have them all underpriced across the board, including Wandale a 614 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:08,680 little bit. I do have the least want to 615 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,920 draft Wandao because there's just tougher to see him hitting 616 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,480 a huge ceiling is. Half the Kate Dogg you don't 617 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:20,080 want your guys to have Dogg. Well, the 5.08 dot that you see 618 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:24,640 on the screen is like tougher and half the PR and he also goes 619 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,160 earlier. But essentially when you I mean, 620 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,640 there's just not a ton of competition for targets behind 621 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,800 Malik neighbors. And I think both Hyatt and 622 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,520 Slayton have nice, dare I say, better in basketball profiles 623 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,800 where they have big play upside, like they're deep threats. 624 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:44,920 And yeah, you know, it's there's some trust in Dabel getting this 625 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,440 offense a little bit more functional. 626 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,840 I think he's obviously underwhelmed as a coach the 627 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:57,080 first couple years, but I also think that they've had a bad run 628 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,360 out as a team. You know, it's kind of boring to 629 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,440 say, but I don't think they've. Well, you know, it's funny like 630 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,440 they made the playoffs with Daniel Jones year one, like he 631 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:09,600 he was like he exceeded expectations year one, but then 632 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,440 year two was just is bad. So now it feels like he was bad 633 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:13,880 but. Yeah, they wanna, they even want 634 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:14,640 a playoff game. They. 635 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,200 Want a playoff game? They they had a lot of injuries 636 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,360 at receiver that year too. You know, that was the year they 637 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:20,800 were really boring running the ball. 638 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:27,800 Isaiah Hodgins had eight 8105 and a touchdown on a 92% snap 639 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,560 share in a playoff game that the New York Football Giants won. 640 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:35,640 Like I, I think that the market to me and correct me if I'm 641 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,280 wrong, it feels like the market is kind of adjusting for the 642 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,640 quarterback uncertainty, both in terms of if they're not going to 643 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,920 make the playoffs, like Daniel Jones is not going to play 644 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,960 because of his crazy injury contract guarantees. 645 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,440 And if the market doesn't feel that certain in a quarterback 646 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:55,240 starting in week 17, they're not going to be as juiced on the 647 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,040 receivers. And also, you know the 648 00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,680 expectation that neighbors is going to have like a 30% target 649 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,600 share, which you probably will. Yeah, and there's some 650 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,600 uncertainty about playing time. Like Slayton is boring, but he's 651 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,400 probably the best bet to just be out there a bunch because he's 652 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:16,280 an outside wide receiver and they kind of have too many dudes 653 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:20,280 who can play in a slot. To Sam's point, Hyatt didn't 654 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,600 they they were talking about moving him back into the slot 655 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:27,600 before they drafted neighbors. So like, I don't, I don't know 656 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,760 that neighbors in the slot necessarily opens up stuff for 657 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,840 Hyatt. I guess who like who else would 658 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,480 it be? But him on the outside is not 659 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:40,360 ideal necessarily. I, I think it's fine because the 660 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:44,280 whole thesis with Hyatt, I I don't foresee him being good 661 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,360 enough to earn like a really good target share role. 662 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,160 I think you're the upside why you want to take him in the 18th 663 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,640 round is he can do 2. Gabe Davis's in the. 664 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,440 Season. Absolutely, yeah. 665 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,920 Gabe Davis had like a 9095% route participation. 666 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,920 Like that's what I'm worried. I don't know how much he's out 667 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,080 there. Yeah, no, you need to run Pierre 668 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,159 on the routes. But even if you could get him to 669 00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:13,239 like, I don't know, 70% routes and like, like, yeah. 670 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,679 I mean, I, I think it's pretty. Like some, there's some like, 671 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,840 you know, just blindly betting on like the year 2 shy a little 672 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:21,880 bit, yeah. Yeah. 673 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,280 I like that part of it and I I so I think these ADP's are 674 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,920 pretty clearly wrong for the later guys like 1 Dale 170 675 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,880 compared to Hyatt and Slayton that, you know, basically free 676 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,199 18th round not even being drafted in all all drafts. 677 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,800 I guess like OK, if if neighbors gets injured, then sure, I think 678 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,120 Wandale is maybe the most productive 'cause he goes back 679 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,120 to the full time slot role will earn more targets than these 680 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:46,920 guys. But when you have neighbors on 681 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,440 the field as a slot, it basically makes no sense to have 682 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,400 Wandale Robinson on the field at all. 683 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,760 Like you want Hyatt and Slaton clearing space, and they're the 684 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,640 guys who can actually play on the outside, so. 685 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,600 Wandale Robinson to be. He's just not that. 686 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:06,400 I mean 1.3 yards per route run last year with like 20% targets 687 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,040 for outrun. Like to me that seems like a 688 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,520 symptom of a broken offense. Like not a good. 689 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,560 Player it was broken. I mean it was broken. 690 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:14,720 You missed the whole Tommy DeVito arrow. 691 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,320 Say yeah, it's. Broken because it's broken 692 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,760 because they had to use Wandale as their best. 693 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,520 Veto. No, I'm pushing. 694 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,200 I'm pushing. I'm actually going to push back 695 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:25,520 on this. It was broken because they had 696 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,840 like the worst offensive line in the NFL and they had probably 697 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:33,080 the worst quarterback play. Wandale less than what was it an 698 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,320 11 month ACL recovery doesn't end up on pup at all. 699 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:41,840 Misses two games where he was on the the 53 but was a healthy or 700 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:46,160 a quote UN quote healthy scratch and then LED the team in targets 701 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,560 and receptions. Now, obviously the touchdowns 702 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,680 didn't like it was an awful offense. 703 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,880 But I, I think this idea like 01 L so small is yards is yards per 704 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:59,120 out run is, is like, I think it's a little bit overboard for 705 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,000 a guy who like very could conceivably have 100 receptions 706 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,720 if things broke the right way for him. 707 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,000 Like, I'm not saying that's even likely, especially without a 708 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,280 neighbor's injury, but he's earned targets at the NFL level 709 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,640 in a way that Slayton and Hyatt have not. 710 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,720 Yeah, but. I don't know, the Slayton Hyatt 711 00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:16,480 probably won't even be active on game day. 712 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,320 The type the type of targets he earns though are like. 713 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,200 Are not that valuable on underground. 714 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,880 Or you're hoping the offense, when it's more functional, 715 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,720 become a little bit more valuable. 716 00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:29,000 I mean like I'm. Yeah, but what is that? 717 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,920 Yeah, I agree with that Leonie, but I don't know, I feel like 718 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,640 more functional looks like Malik neighbors in the slot half the 719 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,600 time. Dude they have fucking know, but 720 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,880 Malik neighbors could have a 30% target share and wand out and 721 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,960 still get to like 20% like that. Yeah. 722 00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:47,080 I I might, I might even say. I might even say. 723 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:51,800 That likely but like dude they have nobody to throw to. 724 00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:54,200 Yeah, that's true. There's no tight ends on this 725 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,120 team at all, not really any running back. 726 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:57,840 You know, if Singletary's playing most of the time he's 727 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,200 not a high target earner, so. I get it might. 728 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,240 Run a decent amount of four wide receivers the. 729 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,600 Offense is good. Yeah, they have no tight end. 730 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,080 They have no tight end to speak of. 731 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,840 And I mean, we're only going to get, you're only going to get 732 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,120 this on ADP chasing. No one else out there is brave 733 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,640 enough to be the one Dale Bowl. But I I do just want people to 734 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,880 remember this team's running backs. 735 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,720 Devin Single, 28 year old Devin single, Terry, Tyrone Tracy and 736 00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:25,080 Eric Ray. You could see one. 737 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,400 They'll get 40 carries I think, no. 738 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,680 No, no, under. That's bad Under. 739 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:38,440 How many did he have last year? 9 4040 carries 40 carries was 740 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,440 like the role he had in college where where? 741 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,560 I actually don't think like if you said like 25, I actually 742 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,040 don't think that's that crazy 'cause I I could. 743 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,480 Sure, 25's not 40, but yeah, 40. Is bull posting? 744 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:51,760 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. 745 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,840 Yeah, I mean. I've got 60% of what you just 746 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,800 said then sure. Sure. 747 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,040 I just we're going. Back to the Davis. 748 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,000 I just think, I think, I think the idea I. 749 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,520 Just comes in where they get 40 carries. 750 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,480 Well, I just think the idea that, oh, Slayton and Hyatt are 751 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,600 these really strong, like late round values, like they have 752 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,520 these ceilings and like 01, that was just boring. 753 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,560 And he stinks when he came back from the ACL injury last year 754 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,440 and was in like this complete non functional offense. 755 00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:24,480 I also pre pre ACL he he had a couple games where he would just 756 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,160 earned a shit ton of targets. Yeah, like 40 got hurt. 757 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:31,080 He had 31 targets on like 97 snaps as as a rookie. 758 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,680 And they're they were like low value targets, but it's 759 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:34,360 certainly. I I would. 760 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,880 Still, he was mostly multi. Ligament with him, like I I was 761 00:38:37,240 --> 00:38:40,600 kind of I was having trouble cooking him last year, even 762 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,160 though he had the exciting rookie year because of the 763 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,760 injury. But his yeah, we you know, I 764 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,680 think it doesn't make sense for us to go, oh, it's multi 765 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,280 ligament. He might take a while to come 766 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,320 back and then he could takes a while to come back and we're 767 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,760 like, he sucks now, like he was coming off a multi ligament knee 768 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,320 tear. So he might be better this year. 769 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,520 I'm not saying. Bullying Sam into a 4% Wandell 770 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:00,000 position. No. 771 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,240 I'm not sure I am. I'm not taking a ton of Wandell, 772 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,280 I'm taking him. 0% of the time it's just that like. 773 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,880 Circle back. I'm like at this point in the 774 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,760 draft though, like it's not that frequent where I'm taking like a 775 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,440 one off, yeah. That's also. 776 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,080 That's also a good point. Like, I don't know how much of 777 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,480 these guys I'm getting, even though I think like in a vacuum, 778 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,160 I like them a lot more than some of these other bets. 779 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,720 But like so often, like I have to need a wide receiver late to 780 00:39:27,720 --> 00:39:30,160 draft them. I have to have almost no 781 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,360 correlations available for me to draft them. 782 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,800 So like it's, you know, it still just doesn't happen a ton. 783 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,000 I mean. Yeah, I'm taking, I'm taking. 784 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,320 But it's, you know, we're not talking like 20% positions even 785 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:48,560 with the huge AVP value gap. Yeah, I'm taking like Javon 786 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,800 Baker over these guys, even though I like Baker less in a 787 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,920 vacuum because I need to figure out quarterback. 788 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,880 Yeah, if you're looking for one offs, I think there's like 789 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,400 bigger cuts quote UN quote that are available later than one 790 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:03,480 day. All that just make a lot more 791 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,480 sense. And again, I'll just go back to 792 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,400 you like if, if it's going to be a rotation between these. 793 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,520 Three guys, which I think we all probably agree with, like, you 794 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,880 know, it's probably gonna be all three of them playing like 60 to 795 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,360 80% of the snap, something in that range. 796 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,360 I kind of want the guys that can make my line up off one or two 797 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,440 plays. And to me that's that's Hyatt 798 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,920 and Slayton much more than one Dale. 799 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,760 I don't know, like I think. Slayton could be between 80 and 800 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,680 90% of our participation consistently. 801 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,080 Yeah, that's. That's exactly. 802 00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:36,800 Yeah. If he's not, I'm drafting too 803 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,120 much of us. Yeah, All right. 804 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,520 That was solid. 20 minutes on the Giants, I think a little bit 805 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,800 less than our normal 30. Move on to another exciting 806 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,920 player, Derek Carr. Definitely Hero Fantasy podcast. 807 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,040 I've talked about Derek Carr so far this offseason. 808 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:58,800 Leonie, you're 30 spots higher than the market on him. 809 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,960 I've actually before we get into cars specifically, I've got 810 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,560 that's. The most one grand thing of all 811 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,200 time. Hey, I just like and. 812 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,800 This is like, that's why I hate doing like just on this, but 813 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:12,360 like the way we do our ranks, you know, 'cause it's based off 814 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,840 projections and upside cases, but we're not like going in and 815 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,920 manually changing stuff for like the best ball mania strategy, 816 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,880 right? So like Derek Carr, I think. 817 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,600 I like cartoon by the way. I'm like 20 peaks ahead of ADP. 818 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,000 No, actually I just need. A back for a stack like I think 819 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:30,920 Derek Carr's really good. I think his odds of getting 820 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,720 benched later in the season are less than some of the other 821 00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:37,160 quarterbacks going late, which is like probably the primary 822 00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,720 difference like driving us higher on him than some of these 823 00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:44,160 other quarterbacks. We just don't really see a big 824 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,880 scenario where he gets benched. Like Herzik did an article on 825 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,040 this, going through it and like, he's like at that QB, he could 826 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,960 suck, but it just, it seems kind of unlikely he's gonna get 827 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,360 benched unless he's hurt. Agree. 828 00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,600 Or I guess there's lots of. Rattlers like randomly like 829 00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:02,080 really really good, but that seems you mean based on where 830 00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,880 he's drafted like pretty pretty low on. 831 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:09,360 I've I've raised up his benching risk as a possibility with with 832 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,240 our rank. He's seen like several times and 833 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,040 Daniel's just been like, dude, he can't. 834 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,640 I mean to keep in mind because he feels so benchable, but like 835 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:20,360 the contract is not he's locked in for 2025. 836 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,880 He's locked in. So yes, they could bench him, 837 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,520 but they're benching him because the season was a disaster. 838 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,320 He's looked like absolute garbage and you lost the bet 839 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,600 anyway. So that's the kind of bench risk 840 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,760 we have to accept. You know, the the guy was a 841 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,920 terrible pick and he got benched at that point. 842 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,560 Who cares? The bench risk that sucks is 843 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,120 like the Daniel Jones bench risk. 844 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:45,680 That's why it worries me. He's like, Daniel Jones could 845 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,760 play like pretty well and put up fantasy points. 846 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:52,640 And then they, you know, lose 10 games and they're like, yeah, we 847 00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:54,120 we don't want to do this again next year. 848 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:55,840 And. He Russell Wilson, the the 849 00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:57,600 Russell Wilson to get it. It happened. 850 00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:58,880 We we saw it. Yeah. 851 00:42:59,240 --> 00:43:02,680 Yeah, I think and then moving away from the bench stuff if I 852 00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:06,040 do want to get like pro car. I mean, he's had some games with 853 00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,920 like huge pass attempts, like, yeah, back-to-back 50 plus pass 854 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:10,480 attempt games in the middle of the season. 855 00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:15,400 You know, he went for 303 in the first week of the fantasy play 856 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,120 offs last year. Like, he's not devoid of putting 857 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,360 up a big week. He's obviously not going to give 858 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:24,160 you anything on the ground, but you take a lab early, you know, 859 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:25,920 you get your heat in the middle rounds again. 860 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,960 Like, it kind of sucks that Juwan got hurt because there's 861 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,240 not too much besides those guys in Juwan to stack him with. 862 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:35,240 But yeah, the one in a lab, eight teams that I would be 863 00:43:35,240 --> 00:43:36,880 taking him on, but I am high on a lab. 864 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,280 I think a lab is going to have, you know, a better season than 865 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,280 he did last year. Yeah. 866 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,960 They need me to 8 AT Perry's there for you in in around 18. 867 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,800 They had, I hate to give in to like the offseason talk too 868 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,200 much, but they they did not have like great comments on his 869 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,360 development. Dennis Allen is very negative 870 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:58,240 about everything, but he especially negative about a 2. 871 00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:00,440 Perry. He's like, he's like, yeah, he 872 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,080 kind of needs to work on all of it. 873 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,720 So he he listened to ADP chasing where I made-up the stat about 874 00:44:05,720 --> 00:44:08,320 him playing 900 snaps and getting 54 targets. 875 00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,480 And he's like, absolutely, yeah, I get it. 876 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,920 Yeah. The other thing is back to the 877 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:21,360 benching risk quickly is like this division is so bad that 878 00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:25,520 like it could honestly be like week, week 17, the Saints are 879 00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,080 4:00 and 11:00 and if they won the next two games, they're 880 00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,480 they're in the playoffs. Like, I don't know, like this 881 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:34,080 this division is is awful. So that's the last thing I want 882 00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,920 to say on on car if anyone wants anything else. 883 00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,520 To say I I had one other thing, which is like to Leone's point 884 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:44,360 about there being a difference between ranking players properly 885 00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:48,680 and drafting with strategy and game theory in mind, which is 886 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:55,000 Carr's risk of injury and and slipping production is back 887 00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:59,680 weighted in the sense of if the Saints are are seven win team 888 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,800 and Carr separates his shoulder again, he's unlikely to be 889 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:08,000 playing in weeks 1516 and 17. Whereas with May and McCarthy 890 00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:12,160 and Justin Fields or or take your pick of your quarterback 25 891 00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,680 or later, their risk is front weighted where they're unlikely 892 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:16,840 to be playing early. They could. 893 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,760 Get hurt too, I mean. Well, I mean, look, anyone could 894 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,000 get hurt, but their car has repeatedly gotten hurt. 895 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,920 But I don't. Know injury I will say we 896 00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:29,520 probably we aren't factoring in cars, the car being like more 897 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,680 likely to get injured. I think he played every game 898 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:35,440 last year despite like having all the the injuries and stuff 899 00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:37,880 he did. I I compare it more like what 900 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,360 like Pat did with Daniel Jones though, like in terms of the 901 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,600 risk like that's why he's added Daniel Jones. 902 00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,160 He also like crying kind of crazy, but like, he threw 14 903 00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,040 touchdowns in his last five games like. 904 00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,800 I mean, that is crazy, Yeah. I mean, I don't know that I even 905 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,040 agree with that. That part of it Davis cause it's 906 00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:59,080 like his coaching staff that like the whole, the only sell is 907 00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:00,880 that like we might make the playoffs. 908 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,640 You know. And they kind of have to keep 909 00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,520 that alive 'cause there's there's no future for this team. 910 00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,640 The salary caps in, you know, it's, they're in salary cap 911 00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,680 hell. They they have not been building 912 00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,360 the the team is basically crumbling and they have to just 913 00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,720 kind of be like, but we might get the seven seed. 914 00:46:17,720 --> 00:46:20,920 That's like the whole play. So if Carr is able to come back 915 00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,000 and they can fight for the seventh seed, they got to do it. 916 00:46:25,720 --> 00:46:27,760 All right, I, I I think I can see it. 917 00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:33,800 I I'm probably too take locked on backdooring May right now 918 00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:35,840 I'm. Backdooring the may a lot. 919 00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,480 So so I probably. Need both. 920 00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:41,720 Well, not if you're taking 40% of every guy. 921 00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:49,000 It's a little bit harder. But but my issue I guess would 922 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,640 be is I'm not taking Shaheed a ton and I wasn't taking Johnson 923 00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,000 a ton. So then it's like, what am I 924 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,480 doing? Yeah, right. 925 00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:59,880 It's I think you can't draft him without him being staffed. 926 00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:02,320 So almost, you know, it's almost immaterial you. 927 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,040 Know you almost can't draft him with without a law they. 928 00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:06,240 Almost I think it's without I guess. 929 00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,080 You you. I think you draft him with 930 00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:09,720 Shaheed. You, you could do it. 931 00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:14,120 But I think like to me, he's, I'm not saying never, but he's 932 00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,760 one of the more binary players in the player pool for me. 933 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:20,560 Like if I have a Lave, I'm maybe even reaching a round or two and 934 00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,400 just locking up Derek Carr because that correlation of a 935 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,480 Lave big weeks with Carr big weeks has got to be one of the 936 00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,160 strongest. I would say it's got to be like 937 00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,400 literally 1 to one. Like, almost, yeah. 938 00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,560 Shaheed again like he yeah, I would love to have the double 939 00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:37,400 stack with Shaheed, but it still like seems a little thin like 940 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:41,120 the Derek Carr Shaheed stack getting me there but. 941 00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,320 I mean it could be, it could be if you really want to expand 942 00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:48,080 your brain, it could be like your let's say car has a good 943 00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:51,560 fantasy season or alave is a good fantasy season but you get 944 00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:57,640 a car Shaheed team through and Shaheed shortens the game by 945 00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,040 making you know he he has scores 2 long touchdowns or whatever 946 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,440 and that eliminates 2 series for for Alave to do his thing. 947 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:09,080 That's very Galaxy brain though. Yeah, I think we've gone to, I 948 00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:14,360 think we can move on to Chick. Leonie, you feel free to host 949 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,080 the show if you want. I'm getting, I'm getting kind of 950 00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:16,800 it. Is. 951 00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:25,000 We got we got heart outs here. So these takes him like Leonie 952 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,200 just taps out. I can't believe. 953 00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,200 We got through the dancing. Conversation without talking 954 00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,120 about Taysom Hill, by the way. That was that was really. 955 00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,000 That was emotional maturity on my part. 956 00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,680 I just want that recognized Leonie. 957 00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:44,240 I'm I'm fascinated by this because I feel like if the Levis 958 00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:48,680 thing goes how the Titans want it to, Chigg could be like 959 00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:51,440 almost like the guy you had to have a tight end like the 960 00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,440 advance rate Super Brewster. If all this stuff they're saying 961 00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:58,520 about pass rate is real, who's taking who's the third option on 962 00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,520 this offense? Like he could totally out earn 963 00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:04,120 Boyd by like a ton. Yeah, I mean Chick, the guys 964 00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,840 we've talked about so far, Chick's the one that I will be 965 00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,600 drafting the most of and I'm most excited about because he's 966 00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,800 less dependent on like other things going right in your bill. 967 00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,080 He fits a lot of different bills. 968 00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:15,960 If you have a three tight end team, you can have him in A2 969 00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:17,840 tight end team with an elite tight end. 970 00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:22,040 I think, you know, the stats there are like not good for him. 971 00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,560 Last season he was much more efficient his rookie year. 972 00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,360 So obviously our projections are waving that some. 973 00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,360 I think a lot of people are just looking at last year's 974 00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,560 efficiency stats. I honestly think we have a 975 00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,600 pretty conservative outlook on him. 976 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:38,320 We know tight ends quite often take a few seasons to break out. 977 00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:42,520 So you know, a third year guy who's super athletic offense 978 00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,440 that could be transformed, still probably not going to be great, 979 00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,120 but they're probably going to throw a lot more. 980 00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,440 There's some unknown. The uncertainty I think favors 981 00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,360 his range of outcomes. I don't know, I'm just really 982 00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:53,680 into Che. And if you look at the other 983 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:57,720 late round tight ends, it's just harder to tell yourself a story 984 00:49:57,720 --> 00:50:00,440 as far as them like really like, like if there's a guy that's 985 00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,640 gonna break out and be a top eight tight end or the late 986 00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,040 tight ends, I feel like Chig is the best bet. 987 00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:08,000 Yeah, I think you're. Right. 988 00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,320 Really. I haven't heard many bulk cases 989 00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,040 around, but I like that Pat. I'm curious, where do you guys 990 00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,040 have him we're. We're not that into him. 991 00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:21,000 He's the the route participation last year was was pretty low at 992 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,400 times. I'm just pulling it back up. 993 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,880 He he, he ticked back up at the end of the year, which is 994 00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,320 encouraging. But yeah, the efficiency dropped 995 00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,640 off. He was promising as a rookie, 996 00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,360 but also in kind of a limited role. 997 00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:39,480 They haven't tended to emphasize the tight end with the, you 998 00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,080 know, in Cincinnati. So I'm not sure if we're gonna 999 00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:44,360 get like a big. But it was all jamokes like. 1000 00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,600 It was all jamokes, but like, I don't know. 1001 00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:51,160 I haven't seen enough at a chig where I'm like, is he any better 1002 00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,000 than like an Herb Smith or you know, any of these other dudes? 1003 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,080 Like he's he. I don't know, I I guess. 1004 00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:00,160 I think I think he could be. I think he we've seen so little 1005 00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,920 of him be like heavily targeted that I'm not ready to put him in 1006 00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:07,200 like the Gassicki tier. You know, it feels to me this 1007 00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:11,680 feels like the Chan Gailey year in Miami, Pat, where it's like 1008 00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,920 this this guy, he's athletic, he's flashed. 1009 00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,160 There's no real there's really not anyone standing in his way. 1010 00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,320 And if he's good and he can earn targets, he's just going to be a 1011 00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:21,960 smash. But it might just be like is. 1012 00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:27,040 This the MM Gassick year I. Well, I'm saying this is the 1013 00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,160 third year where and Gatiki never did anything right or he 1014 00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,360 had the one year. I was completely out. 1015 00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,200 There was one year where he got really expensive and I was 1016 00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,040 completely out that year. But I think this is almost like 1017 00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:37,880 the year before that where he's like, it's time for him to 1018 00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,880 flash. I'm maybe we're a little too 1019 00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:41,800 low. I could see him. 1020 00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:45,200 We're like two spots behind ADP. We're actually like, we're not 1021 00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,560 that low, but so. I just look at the other guys in 1022 00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:51,440 the tight end and I'm like, you know, like Tyler Conklin goes 1023 00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,920 ahead of him, Kate Otting goes ahead of him. 1024 00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:56,400 But I know I'm getting. Routes here I don't know. 1025 00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,680 You're getting routes with Kate Otten like for sure, which I 1026 00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:02,880 know what I mean. They're just I actually like, I 1027 00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,000 actually like I'm a little bit more than I. 1028 00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,840 Ranked Otten Otten is an Otten Eliminator ass pick. 1029 00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,440 Yeah, he is an eliminator pick for sure. 1030 00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,680 Yeah. But these are the Titans, other 1031 00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:19,480 tight ends Josh Wiley, Nick Vanette and some UDFAS like. 1032 00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:21,600 Their plan is to play him a lot, I think. 1033 00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:25,920 Well, The thing is, so his play action rate was pretty low last 1034 00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,080 year. It was it was decent his rookie 1035 00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:29,760 year, but it was it was low last year. 1036 00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:34,080 He's an undersized tight end. I don't like I don't know that 1037 00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,000 it will be like it. It depends on what they're 1038 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,720 looking for is do they want the tight end involved in run 1039 00:52:38,720 --> 00:52:40,840 blocking a lot? Do they want the tight end to be 1040 00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,920 kind of a yards after catch playmaker? 1041 00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,000 If they do, then like Oconquo is going to get a lot of playing 1042 00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:46,560 time. If they want like an extra 1043 00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:48,640 lineman, it's not Oconquo. So that's. 1044 00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:50,600 I I haven't. Established. 1045 00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:52,040 There's not. There's right, don't even know 1046 00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:57,080 there's routes where this goes very bad for sure, but where 1047 00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:00,720 he's going like 17 points, 1617 LB tight end, like I don't know, 1048 00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:02,520 I I think it's a good, good gamble to take. 1049 00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:04,320 I should probably take a little bit more of them. 1050 00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:04,720 Yeah. I I. 1051 00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:06,480 Think I'm gonna start working him in. 1052 00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:08,400 Yeah, his career yards per out run. 1053 00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,920 So he had 2.6 yards per out run as a rookie, which is insane. 1054 00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,400 1.3 last year, which is not still not like bad for a tight 1055 00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,160 end. You take the average in all of 1056 00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:20,200 his routes he's running his career, he's at 1.7. 1057 00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,760 That would put him in the same range as Sam Laporta, David and 1058 00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:27,720 Joku Cole Comet last year. So pretty, pretty high end tight 1059 00:53:27,720 --> 00:53:30,400 end names there again. Yeah, I think the main thing 1060 00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,480 with him is is the route risk 'cause I would expect the 1061 00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:36,600 efficiency for him to be pretty good and we didn't see it much 1062 00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,560 last year, but his rookie season we did see some pretty awesome 1063 00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,600 like catch a pass, break a tackle, take it to the house 1064 00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,320 plays. He showed some explosiveness for 1065 00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,680 sure. So yeah, definitely seems like a 1066 00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:49,600 tight end I'd want to mix in in this range. 1067 00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,800 It's if he did like an in joke, if he did like an in Joku, would 1068 00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,080 we really be that surprised? Where it's like he he kind of 1069 00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:57,800 stinks. He doesn't play a lot and then 1070 00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,480 all like all of a sudden he's just just running all the 1071 00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,400 routes. I mean, we might be surprised, 1072 00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,120 but it's hard. It's also hard for the Titans 1073 00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,280 passing game to be more, you know, much worse than it was the 1074 00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:07,840 last two seasons. Exactly. 1075 00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:09,880 Yeah, there's definitely going to be a lot more volume. 1076 00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:13,080 I think they they've been extremely clear that they plan 1077 00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:17,480 to pass way more. Well that so it's like, that's 1078 00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,080 kind of like a best laid plans thing. 1079 00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,680 Like I've been like, I want to get hyped up reading all this 1080 00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,520 stuff about Levis and like, oh, we got him Ridley like and it's 1081 00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:26,720 all going to, we're going to be so forward thinking. 1082 00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,440 And like, I think that's easy to say when Will Levis is throwing 1083 00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,240 against air. And then it might be different 1084 00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:34,520 in week 3 when you're just like getting shit canned by the 1085 00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,640 Texans or whatever because Levis just threw 4 picks. 1086 00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:41,360 So I think they're all kind of priced appropriately for the 1087 00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:45,800 risk. Let's move on here to talking 1088 00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,880 about Kirk Cousins. I think this is the the more 1089 00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,400 interesting benching risk conversation that I wanted to 1090 00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,440 have here. ETR, you guys have him at pick 1091 00:54:54,440 --> 00:55:00,320 120, he goes at ADP of 145. I've actually been playing or 1092 00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:04,240 I've been pretty bearish on Kirk 'cause I am really worried about 1093 00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:06,960 the Pennex late season benching risk and I do think I can 1094 00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:10,880 capture a lot of the Falcon stuff without actually taking 1095 00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:15,480 Kirk. So I'm curious Leone, what are 1096 00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,160 your, what are your thoughts on that 'cause I I know you are 1097 00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:21,200 baking in some of the the benching risk with the work 1098 00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,520 Kerzig has done. Even with that risk, do you 1099 00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:26,280 still think Cousins is a really good value? 1100 00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,960 Yeah, I think so. I mean, I'm definitely open to 1101 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:35,160 us being too aggressive in terms of ignoring the benching risk. 1102 00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:39,920 I just think that this first year is really gonna be Cousins. 1103 00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,240 He got this massive deal. They can get out of it after 1104 00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:45,120 like two years. And I mean, they're, they're 1105 00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,600 decent sized favorites to win the division here. 1106 00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:51,160 So yeah, there's, I mean, it's hard. 1107 00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:53,760 Like there's an element of like, if he gets benched, like things 1108 00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,960 probably went to shit anyways and your team's dead. 1109 00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,400 Like I I don't want to overthink that way 'cause I think that's 1110 00:55:58,400 --> 00:55:58,800 a. Dangerous. 1111 00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,760 No, that's such a that's such a good point, Mike, that actually 1112 00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,440 like is so important to think about when you're making these 1113 00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:06,920 decisions. Like if you already took, you 1114 00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,880 know, you, you slapping it up and took tight end 6 Kyle Pitts 1115 00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:12,360 and and Kirk Cousins is not playing in week 10. 1116 00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,480 Like you're already dead. You're you're, you're. 1117 00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:16,200 You know. It doesn't matter though. 1118 00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,400 If he gets straight up benched, like, and then when you say 1119 00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,800 you're dead, there's definitely outcomes where like you, they're 1120 00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,680 good enough and like the teams, just not, you know, the teams 1121 00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,160 like, I don't know. Yeah, 'cause to yeah, that's 1122 00:56:27,240 --> 00:56:30,560 push back on that is like what if Kirk Cousins Achilles is just 1123 00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:33,600 bad, he gets benched, then Michael Pennock's 9th overall 1124 00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,320 pick is like good and can support London and Pitt. 1125 00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,720 Like, I don't think it's that crazy that like, London and 1126 00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:42,320 Pitts can be good and Cousins was like a disaster like to me. 1127 00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,800 I don't know, we we might build in some more bench risk, but I 1128 00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:49,080 think in general, the reason we're so high on him if like if 1129 00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:53,360 you feel good about the benching risk not being that high, I just 1130 00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,840 think this offense could be really, really good. 1131 00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:03,200 I think, you know, the I'm looking at our stuff here, but 1132 00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,840 like in terms of skill players, I mean you've got Bijon Pitts 1133 00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,400 and Drake London's like an amazing kind of set of skill 1134 00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:10,720 players. Darnell Mooney's a down the 1135 00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:12,480 field guy. You know, there's some 1136 00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,240 excitement for rundown Moore. I I just think it could. 1137 00:57:15,240 --> 00:57:18,040 Be Oh, just come in the. Division that they're playing in 1138 00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:21,200 a Dome, the division is pretty weak. 1139 00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,800 So I'm, I'm pretty, I don't know. 1140 00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,920 I don't know, I don't know Ball enough to know if this is true 1141 00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,000 or not, but people are saying their defense is much worse as 1142 00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,880 well, like one of their corners left I think or something. 1143 00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,320 Well. When you take the 8th overall 1144 00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,440 pick on a backup quarterback. Yeah, definitely to. 1145 00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:43,360 Help your defense very much when you could have the best defender 1146 00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,720 in the draft. I I wanted to look at some stuff 1147 00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:47,040 with it here. Go ahead, Sam I. 1148 00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:49,760 View this one as differently than like Carr. 1149 00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,480 Like Carr, I think as low bench risk. 1150 00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,960 And in the situations where he's benched, he was so bad anyway. 1151 00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,360 It doesn't really matter. I don't feel that way about 1152 00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:00,120 Cousins. I'm not like panicked about the 1153 00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,480 bench risk. But I agree, Sam, that it's like 1154 00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:06,040 a concern because if they're eliminated from playoff 1155 00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:11,400 contention, you know, and it's December 29th, we're not seeing 1156 00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,640 Pennix. Yeah, that's where I'm at. 1157 00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:14,640 We. Have to. 1158 00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:16,880 We almost have to see him in that situation. 1159 00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,280 Like, yeah. So that's the thing, like, it's 1160 00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,520 like, how bad does Kirk have to be for this team to miss the 1161 00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,120 playoffs? And it's like not that bad. 1162 00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:31,120 And maybe like, like, maybe good for us, but bad for real life 1163 00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,960 'cause he throws too many picks and he melts down in some big 1164 00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:38,240 spots and the defense is bad and he puts a lot of fantasy points 1165 00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:40,400 in a loss, that kind of stuff. Like I think you could kind of 1166 00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:45,080 feel like, you know, it could be kind of Howl esque where like he 1167 00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:48,320 got there, but he'd still gets benched because the team didn't 1168 00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,920 do enough. And you know, a little different 1169 00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:54,600 than than Howl in the sense that he wasn't at the the 8th overall 1170 00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:58,600 pick right behind him. So that they're even more 1171 00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:00,400 incentivized to to see what they have. 1172 00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,440 So, I mean, they're pretty incentivized to know what they 1173 00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:06,080 have in Pennix. I mean, Kirk Cousins has missed 1174 00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:09,040 the playoffs with some pretty good pass catchers before. 1175 00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,600 Like their times? Yeah, their average team total 1176 00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,640 is like 23 1/2. For the playoff weeks, it's 1177 00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,800 24.2. It's a really high team total, 1178 00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,800 which plays into it. On the benching risk, I think 1179 00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:25,040 we're probably light the odds that he gets benched. 1180 00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,520 We'll probably tighten that up a little bit. 1181 00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:29,760 We'll still be ahead of ADP, but it'll probably come down some. 1182 00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:34,280 But I'm also ahead of ADP. This all shows me criticizing 1183 00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:35,320 ranks that I generally agree with. 1184 00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:41,880 I mean, it is good to talk through the ranges and but I'm 1185 00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,000 trying to where's the dude I'm looking. 1186 00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:46,600 I hate navigating the draftking sports books. 1187 00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:49,840 It's so bad but I'm. Trying to like 4 spots ahead of 1188 00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:51,760 ADP. Yeah, it's just the other thing 1189 00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,960 I'll say is obviously you don't make any of these picks in a 1190 00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:56,480 vacuum. It depends on who you what pass 1191 00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:58,840 catchers you have. But to me, it's just like a 1192 00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:02,400 little bit crazy, like you just pay up like another round or two 1193 01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:06,880 and you're in the Justin Herbert golf to to a Lawrence range like 1194 01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,840 those guys. Those guys could all be on bad 1195 01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,160 teams or like teams that aren't making the playoffs, so they're 1196 01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:14,120 not getting benched like you know what I mean? 1197 01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:18,200 So I just, I mean I worry with the. 1198 01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:21,080 Falcons are like the fair line on the Falcons to make the 1199 01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:24,840 playoffs is like -220 that's to make it. 1200 01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,840 So you're talking like what's that percentage wise, you know 1201 01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:32,840 and that? Actually understates that's. 1202 01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:34,960 To make. That's to make yeah, not. 1203 01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:37,400 Just under. Like because they need to be 1204 01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,280 made. In week 17 or something. 1205 01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:41,640 Right, right, right. OK. 1206 01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:45,040 So part of the reason I still think we're probably like the 1207 01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:47,920 odds he gets benched. But one in five, he's a he's a 1208 01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,760 potential maybe that overstates. They are eliminated from the 1209 01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:54,080 playoffs and not 100% chance it would be Penix but I don't know 1210 01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:58,680 like even one in 10 that he's not playing because he got 1211 01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:04,960 benched I don't love. It and also like yeah, I I don't 1212 01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:07,680 know like there I think again, this is getting into Galaxy 1213 01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:10,200 brain territories, but there there certainly are situations 1214 01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,640 again, we're talking about what like a 40 year old quarterback 1215 01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:14,560 coming off a torn Achilles like no. 1216 01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:16,920 No, no, no. You switched him with Rogers. 1217 01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:19,600 No, but come on, let me lie a little bit. 1218 01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:21,440 Come on, you. You're lying. 1219 01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:23,720 That's that's my bit. He turns 30. 1220 01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:25,360 Six in August. OK. 1221 01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:27,680 He's not even. He's 35 today. 1222 01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:32,640 Still, I I think we should factor in just like in, in terms 1223 01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:35,360 of benching risk, I'm not talking injury risk like we're 1224 01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:39,240 100% sure that guys you know who are 36 coming off. 1225 01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:42,800 Because I actually want to push back on, on Fudd on Fudd here. 1226 01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,640 I I think that Kirk Cousins is probably just like a really good 1227 01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:47,960 pick. Like probably you just take, you 1228 01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,200 take your Drake London, you take your Kyle Pitts. 1229 01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:53,120 And it's really that simple of like we're finally going to see 1230 01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:56,840 these insane players, Drakeland and Kyle Pitts, Bijon Robinson 1231 01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:00,680 with whoever ends up being better out of Mooney or Rondale. 1232 01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:04,160 I mean, I think we all know where my money is AT in and 1233 01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:09,480 that's that, that one V1 like Kirk Cousins, just like lives to 1234 01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:13,400 have 308 passing yards, 3 touchdowns and one interception 1235 01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:14,960 like that. That's that's just the Kirk 1236 01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:18,600 Cousins stat line. Yeah and that's what we're still 1237 01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:22,080 like I said we're a little hit ADP on him and you know we are 1238 01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:26,120 trying to find ceiling outcomes and like he's we like. 1239 01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:28,600 His ceiling outcomes is really good. 1240 01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:31,080 Ceiling outcomes really good they're going to pass way more. 1241 01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:36,760 You know he's pretty easy to stack like you can get like 1242 01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:38,760 Pitts is kind of on the same side of the board as London. 1243 01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:40,960 So if you want to double stack it, it's it's easy enough. 1244 01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:48,560 So, yeah, I mean, he he makes me a little nervous, but you don't, 1245 01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:51,400 you don't like, it would be pretty easy to look back and be 1246 01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:54,880 like, wow, I didn't take any Kirk Cousins, which, you know, 1247 01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:59,800 was one of the the most obvious offenses to improve in a huge 1248 01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:00,920 way. Yeah. 1249 01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,840 And very double stackable, including with a tight end. 1250 01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:07,720 So I don't, I don't want to be out. 1251 01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:11,240 I just, I'm just giving you the reasons why we're not like way 1252 01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:16,000 into him. Yeah, I think that was that was 1253 01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:17,480 a good discussion. That's that's fair. 1254 01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:21,640 Yeah, that was a good. Their their last two playoff 1255 01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:25,080 weeks are home versus the Giants and then at Washington. 1256 01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:27,400 Obviously you get outdoors at Washington, but pretty high team 1257 01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:29,280 totals right now for those last two. 1258 01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:33,960 Yeah, certainly not. Last thing I'll say, certainly 1259 01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:36,560 not someone I'm avoiding if I have his pass catchers. 1260 01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:41,320 I think I'm just kind of happy to catch him when he falls past 1261 01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:44,760 ADP and and maybe look for alternatives. 1262 01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:48,000 Well, yeah, when you when you take London hits you, you try 1263 01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,200 and push him, you try and push him to the next pick or 1264 01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:53,200 whatever. Yeah, and I'm, I'm sure your 1265 01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:54,640 rankings aren't saying Lahny, you're not. 1266 01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:58,800 Quarterbacks too. I mean, are you out taking Kirk 1267 01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:01,040 Cousins if you don't have London or Pitts like I mean. 1268 01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:04,520 Right. Like probably not like if like 1269 01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:07,120 if he really, really falls, maybe you take him and do 1270 01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:11,200 something with like Mooney Rondell backdoor, but like like 1271 01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:15,920 like probably not so. Who who's less likely to be the 1272 01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:18,480 naked like? Like you take this guy, let's 1273 01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:21,240 even say eighteenth round, just like the hypothetical like toy 1274 01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:25,320 game, you, you can take Tua or Kirk in the 18th round, but none 1275 01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:29,000 of their teammates who's less likely to be on the the BBM 5 1276 01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:32,440 winning roster, is it? I think Tua is more likely to be 1277 01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:35,880 on the roster than Kirk. Naked because of naked. 1278 01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:38,520 Yeah, I think he's more likely to run for a touchdown. 1279 01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:41,240 I think he's more likely to just have a hyper efficient game. 1280 01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:44,040 And also Tyreek's so expensive that you know he could. 1281 01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:46,640 Oh yeah, that is a good point. I mean, London's pretty 1282 01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:51,040 expensive. Yeah, yeah, I think. 1283 01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:53,480 Yeah, I think it is to it 'cause you could maybe cover Tyreek 1284 01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:57,080 with or even beat Tyreek with another first out pick and 1285 01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:58,680 enough goes through it. Yeah, yeah. 1286 01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:02,920 Yeah. Malachi, Corley here. 1287 01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:06,760 I think I maybe even saw some discussion in the ETR slack 1288 01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:09,640 today about Corley. So maybe this one's coming down 1289 01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:16,840 slightly, Leone, but you guys are 25 spots ahead of ADP on 1290 01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:20,080 Corley. Curious what the case is for 1291 01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:24,520 Corley here. Yeah, in part Anthony and Miko, 1292 01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:27,360 who does their dynasty stuff is really high on Corley. 1293 01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:32,200 So some of that's translating to our basketball rankings. 1294 01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:37,040 I think with Corley too, he could carve out a role here 1295 01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:41,760 getting a lot of like short a dot stuff you think of like how 1296 01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:43,960 Randall Cobb and things were used by. 1297 01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:46,400 I was wondering if you would invoke Randall Cobb. 1298 01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:48,520 I mean, how could you not? I was hoping. 1299 01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:52,000 It would you've got you've got like this, I don't know, decent 1300 01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:55,720 combination of there's room for early playing time with Mike 1301 01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:59,440 Williams getting eased in, but then also you get like the 1302 01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:01,920 rookie end of your upside thing. I think we were too high on him, 1303 01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:03,760 like you said, we talked about and we're going to bring him 1304 01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:07,080 back because we had him somewhat close to Polk, which is just 1305 01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:10,160 wrong given the draft capital difference between the two and 1306 01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:13,960 Polk's odds that, you know, just being the number one wide 1307 01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:16,840 receiver on the team, which corely has zero shot of being. 1308 01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:20,480 But there's also a lot more potential offensive efficiency 1309 01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:22,600 for The Jets than there is for the Patriots. 1310 01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:26,320 There's not a ton to it. I mean, really, it's like a guy 1311 01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:28,720 that they really, really wanted. They took him first pick of the 1312 01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:30,000 third round. Yep. 1313 01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:34,360 And I think he's just a little bit under drafted for his draft 1314 01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:37,240 capital, especially if you look where the rookies in general are 1315 01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:40,080 going in the market. It's so funny because he was the 1316 01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:44,480 slappy pick in February. Like when all of us nerds were 1317 01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:47,040 doing the big board, like everyone was like, Oh my God, 1318 01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:50,120 Malachi Corley. Like I I was saying, I said on 1319 01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:52,200 this whole cast, I thought he was going to be the ship chasing 1320 01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:56,800 player this year. Like he he's kind of, I mean, 1321 01:06:56,800 --> 01:07:02,200 he's he had a real gimmicky role at Western Kentucky, but it's a 1322 01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:05,320 gimmick that Rodgers loves. I mean, Rodgers has always loved 1323 01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:08,400 that, that I mean, he loves wide receiver screens, but he also 1324 01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:12,720 loves the the pop pass and like the four yard crosser. 1325 01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:15,880 Like Rodgers has like always. He like checks into it all the 1326 01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:17,320 time. You can like watch him do it. 1327 01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:21,480 And the thing I like about this ranking is it does the correct 1328 01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:24,560 thing, which it pretends Mike Williams doesn't exist, which is 1329 01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:27,920 the correct position to take for fantasy football in 2024. 1330 01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:32,440 You might have done the Davis thing of over overstating your 1331 01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:34,120 point at the end. I think you did. 1332 01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:37,400 Leone right at the end. Leone was nodding. 1333 01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:38,760 And then he just was. Corley. 1334 01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:41,640 Corley is the Corley is the style. 1335 01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:45,560 Corley is the style pick. He he stylistically fits with 1336 01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:47,720 Rogers much more than a jump ball guy. 1337 01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:54,240 Yeah, I think Corley's fine. Like I we rated ADP with him, I 1338 01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:58,280 end up with him a decent amount. I don't I'll pull up my exposure 1339 01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:00,040 but. If you can backdoor stack him 1340 01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:02,160 like you can backdoor. Stack him yeah. 1341 01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:05,440 You mentioned Conklin. I, I take Conklin a fair amount 1342 01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:08,760 because of the same reason. I yeah, I'm at 14% Corley. 1343 01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:13,160 So I'm, I have been cooking him quite a bit even though we don't 1344 01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:15,920 have him ranked super high. But yeah, if you need, if you 1345 01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:19,840 need a backdoor stacks or, or if you need to, if you're looking 1346 01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:23,399 for a week 17, bring back correlation on Josh Allen's 1347 01:08:23,399 --> 01:08:25,000 stuff. And Josh Allen's really cheap 1348 01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:27,120 compared to last year. So I'm, I'm taking some of the 1349 01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:30,319 fourth round. Josh Allen, I, I have a lot of 1350 01:08:30,319 --> 01:08:32,960 him on those teams as well. The. 1351 01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:34,840 Conklin thing. Too like the back door stack I 1352 01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:37,200 definitely have Conklin if I'm back door stack and like I don't 1353 01:08:37,359 --> 01:08:39,960 I'm fine with Conklin. I just meant like in terms of 1354 01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:41,319 like breakout. Potential. 1355 01:08:41,319 --> 01:08:43,479 Yeah, I'm at 6%, Conklin. Nothing. 1356 01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:45,560 Nothing crazy. He's definitely someone, though, 1357 01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:48,479 like Rodgers has a great game. He can carry Conklin along with 1358 01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:51,520 him for a week, get you 14 points with with the touchdown 1359 01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:55,479 and that be enough. And yeah, so you can do Rodgers 1360 01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:58,359 sometimes slips a ton and you can do Rodgers, Corley, Conklin 1361 01:08:58,359 --> 01:09:00,319 like. If the Wilson drafter, if the 1362 01:09:00,319 --> 01:09:03,479 Wilson drafter passes on Rodgers, like he could just go, 1363 01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:05,120 he could just fall and fall and fall. 1364 01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,640 If the if the Garrett Wilson drafter does something else now 1365 01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:12,000 you take you. Yeah. 1366 01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:15,600 Do you like, do you like Corley or Burton more 'cause this is 1367 01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:18,240 when it's uncorrelated. I almost always take Burton 1368 01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:20,020 first. Although I think I need to re 1369 01:09:20,020 --> 01:09:23,200 evaluate Burton now that T is like officially on the franchise 1370 01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:26,000 tag 'cause that takes away like 5% of his outs. 1371 01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:33,120 Yeah, we have Corley ahead of Burton right now, but it's very, 1372 01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:35,680 very close. I kind of like Burton a little 1373 01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:37,640 bit more. Like I feel myself. 1374 01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:40,040 He's got the crazy contingent value. 1375 01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:45,920 Yeah, I feel like it's easier for me to see where he's like a 1376 01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:47,960 a big difference maker, but I don't know what. 1377 01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:49,080 What are you gonna say, Sam? Yeah. 1378 01:09:49,399 --> 01:09:52,880 I was just gonna say like, I think his ceiling as like an NFL 1379 01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:56,720 player, like three, I don't know, two years from now is a 1380 01:09:56,720 --> 01:10:00,480 lot higher than Corley's. I can kind of see the contingent 1381 01:10:00,480 --> 01:10:04,520 upside both ways, though, like if Garrett Wilson goes down, The 1382 01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:07,840 Jets are gonna have to learn like 5 Malacore Coralie screens 1383 01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:11,040 a game. So I, yeah, I think that one's 1384 01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:13,800 actually really close. I I think I do also, Davis, you 1385 01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:16,520 made a good point. I had been baking in the like 10 1386 01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:19,320 percent, 20% chance T Higgins has gone into my head when I was 1387 01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:21,680 taking Burton. Now that's out the window. 1388 01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:24,720 So I gotta re evaluate. That was like 2% guys, you guys. 1389 01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:28,440 Are I said 5%, I said 5%, so I was directionally accurate. 1390 01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:32,320 Yeah, that that one's a huge toss up. 1391 01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:34,760 Probably really dependent on like just stacking and stuff. 1392 01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:38,080 I had another, another question. I don't know if like this is 1393 01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:41,760 kind of getting into Galaxy brain territory, but when you're 1394 01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:46,480 talking about the the bring back stack with Corley, when you have 1395 01:10:46,480 --> 01:10:50,920 Josh Allen teams, has anyone looked into like what type of 1396 01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:55,840 Arc type of player is a better bet as a bring back on a stack 1397 01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:57,560 'cause I can kind of see it both ways. 1398 01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:01,200 Like to to go back to the Giants example, say you stacked up the 1399 01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:02,880 Colts and you're looking for a Giants bring back. 1400 01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:07,240 Is the like PPR scam archetype like Wandale the better bring 1401 01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:09,640 back or or is it the Jalen Hyatt? 1402 01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:12,440 Like one play and you get it all those points. 1403 01:11:12,480 --> 01:11:15,400 Like, I think that's actually valuable to know, but I have no 1404 01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:17,160 idea what the answer is. I don't know. 1405 01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:19,760 I mean, even for DFSI don't know it, it'd be interesting to look 1406 01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:23,760 into. I think that it'd be pretty 1407 01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:26,600 neutral just 'cause I, I could really see, I mean, you can see 1408 01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:29,320 the scenario where The Jets are just throwing because they're 1409 01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:31,800 down by a ton because Allen dominated and you want the guy 1410 01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:33,240 who's just going to get a shit ton of targets. 1411 01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:35,760 Or you could see the theory that, like, oh, Jalen Hyde 1412 01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:38,080 scores a long touchdown and speeds up the entire game, and 1413 01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:39,360 now that's good for everybody, like. 1414 01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:44,600 What I would, what I would say too is with this type of bring 1415 01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:48,600 back correlation, you're sort of just trying to think that like 1416 01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:52,360 Rogers is awesome. This was an awesome year for 1417 01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:56,480 Rogers. His salary in a week 17 match up 1418 01:11:56,480 --> 01:12:00,120 would be a lot higher then we would have been set week 1. 1419 01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:02,400 So is Corley's, so is Garrett Wilson's right. 1420 01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:06,160 So you're you're going in the projections, you know, the ETR 1421 01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:09,160 projections have this game, you know, like you want to be 1422 01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:11,760 attacking this game, get lots of pieces, but it's hard to fit. 1423 01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:13,200 That's what you're trying to think. 1424 01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:15,920 And then obviously you want the game to play out a certain way 1425 01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:19,320 where all these guys hit. But that's, that's part of why I 1426 01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:23,760 think the week 17 correlation works is that you're, you know, 1427 01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:27,040 you're hoping that you're, you marry two wins and then the two 1428 01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:29,000 wins play each other and produce a lot of points. 1429 01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:31,640 Got it. Pat. 1430 01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:33,720 I know you had to go in a couple minutes. 1431 01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:37,200 Was there something? No, I got, I got, I got like 1432 01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:38,680 another 10 minutes. Another 10 minutes. 1433 01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:40,280 OK, let's let's keep going here. We. 1434 01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:43,520 Talk about 'cause I'm actually really curious to get your guys 1435 01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:46,720 thoughts on Garrett Wilson. I know we're supposed to only 1436 01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:50,920 talk about the players at the very back, but Garrett Wilson at 1437 01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:54,680 the very top. I'm I would love to get more 1438 01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:56,880 Garrett Wilson, but I haven't been taking him over Puka and I 1439 01:12:56,880 --> 01:12:58,040 haven't been taking him over A.J. 1440 01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:00,200 Brown. I I think I might take him over 1441 01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:02,400 A.J. Brown now I'm starting yeah, I 1442 01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:04,920 think I'm starting to get some vibes that this could be like a 1443 01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:07,320 crate like a nut season from him. 1444 01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:12,520 If if he is like Rodgers guy, like, you know, you guys know, 1445 01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:15,560 like he's incredible anyways, He's like Garrett Wilson's 1446 01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:18,080 amazing anyways. But if Rodgers just decides this 1447 01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:21,160 guy's catching the ball 120 times, there is literally 1448 01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:22,920 nothing stopping him from doing so. 1449 01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:29,280 I don't know man, I A.J. Brown has put up 1500 yards in 1450 01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:32,240 like 10 T DS ish and back-to-back seasons. 1451 01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:36,840 I think if Garrett Wilson does that, we're like super pumped. 1452 01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:40,640 I don't know like I get the the Eagles non derogatory. 1453 01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:41,280 That's. Fair non. 1454 01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:42,960 Derogatory. That's fair. 1455 01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:44,880 Is just this face now? Yeah. 1456 01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:47,800 If I say that's the, the new, that's fair is just silence. 1457 01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:53,240 Yeah, 'cause no one wants to say anything, but I don't know, man. 1458 01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:56,280 Like the Eagles were like look at AJ Brown's first half splits 1459 01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:59,800 last year, which I'm kind of taking as when Jalen Hurts was 1460 01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:03,520 healthy and he was on track to break fantasy. 1461 01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:05,960 I know we kind of remembered the back half of the year. 1462 01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:09,200 To me, to me, it just seems like overthinking things going 1463 01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:10,840 Garrett Wilson over A.J. Brown. 1464 01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:14,040 I, I'd still do want Garrett Wilson at whatever that next 1465 01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:15,440 pick is after A.J. Brown for sure. 1466 01:14:15,440 --> 01:14:18,200 But I, I am pretty high on A.J. Brown this year. 1467 01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:20,160 I I don't definitely don't want to be fitting him. 1468 01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:23,120 Yeah, I'm with Sam on A.J. Brown, My hot takes. 1469 01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:25,640 I think I think London's a better pick than Garrett Wilson, 1470 01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:29,560 but. Whoa, I oh God, I'd love when 1471 01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:32,560 Leonie has a hot take. I'd I'd book you action on that, 1472 01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:35,520 Davis. I don't I no, I, I think I think 1473 01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:37,120 you have a great chance of being right. 1474 01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:39,640 I well, I might book it. I didn't think about it, but I 1475 01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:42,440 think it's like a fair. What's the what's the rationale 1476 01:14:42,440 --> 01:14:43,800 there? Leonie I. 1477 01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:49,360 Think that well, he's got two kind of dusty quarterbacks 1478 01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:52,520 coming off an Achilles injury, but I think that. 1479 01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:55,840 One is 4 years younger. Well, one is 4 years younger. 1480 01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:57,440 Yeah. Rodgers Cousins is better than 1481 01:14:57,440 --> 01:14:58,200 Aaron. Rodgers. 1482 01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:01,080 I think Cousins is better than Aaron Rodgers at this point in 1483 01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:02,880 his career. I also think there's just like. 1484 01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:05,680 I like that. Because he's a weirdo and 1485 01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:08,160 there's some like unquantifiable risk with. 1486 01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:11,080 Them so true, yeah. So no Cousins Ben's risk, but 1487 01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:12,720 you've got weirdo risk baked in, no? 1488 01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:15,200 No, no, I don't have. This is my, this is my personal. 1489 01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:17,280 This is not baked into the projections this. 1490 01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:19,840 Is, I mean, can you, Can you imagine what Rogers is going to 1491 01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:22,480 be doing on a like the, the week of the election? 1492 01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:24,080 How focused is Rogers going to be? 1493 01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:27,360 What week is the election? Yeah, that's up on the jet 1494 01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:29,520 schedule. That's only like week 11 or 1495 01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:31,120 something. I think you have the yards per 1496 01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:34,920 outrun stuff like I mean, are we sure like Garrett Wilson is 1497 01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:36,520 better than Drake London? I I don't. 1498 01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:38,480 Know, yeah, I looked into this. I don't have it right now, but 1499 01:15:38,480 --> 01:15:40,680 if you look at the targets for out run yards for out run over 1500 01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:42,920 their careers, it's like very, very close. 1501 01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:45,600 I actually kind of forget who comes out on top. 1502 01:15:46,440 --> 01:15:49,400 If you like a win for Wilson, to me, I know it's been bad for 1503 01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:51,560 London, I know it's. Come on, it's been so bad for 1504 01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:53,080 both though, no? No one gets it. 1505 01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:55,040 No one's had it worse. Than that dude Arthur no, he's 1506 01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:57,160 part of that's been Ritter, Marcus, Mariota have been. 1507 01:15:57,480 --> 01:16:01,920 Absolutely egregious for sure. London gets to play in a Dome 1508 01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:03,960 though, which is the Garrett. Wilson at least got a couple of 1509 01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:06,960 Joe Flacco games in there. Yeah, two years ago. 1510 01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:09,360 I was doing career. I'm talking career. 1511 01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:12,240 Stats career, OK. I'm talking career stats, my 1512 01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:14,440 like vibes based take that I actually don't. 1513 01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:17,560 I said I want Garrett Wilson. I actually have 0% of them. 1514 01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:21,520 I don't advise like anybody all this take at all. 1515 01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:24,640 What? Dude, I don't want to root for 1516 01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:26,080 Aaron. I don't want to root for Aaron 1517 01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:29,640 Rodgers this year at all. Like, I, I hate that guy so much 1518 01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:33,200 that I, I just think that Garrett Wilson is like an 1519 01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:36,240 equivalent pick to Drake London and the guys around there. 1520 01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:40,120 I know people disagree on that, but again, this is not, this is 1521 01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:42,840 not financial advice. I don't want to root for Aaron 1522 01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:44,680 Rodgers. Just I'm just not. 1523 01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:47,240 It's it's so true. I would be, I would be punching 1524 01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:49,760 air if The Jets won 12 games like I would. 1525 01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:51,600 It would really bum me out if they did. 1526 01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:55,920 Well, week weekly winners take so November 10th is they play 1527 01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:58,560 the Cardinals. I wouldn't I I don't think he's 1528 01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:00,760 gonna be a good mood. For that game don't stack up 1529 01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:04,440 week. Ten yeah, Week 11 versus the 1530 01:17:04,440 --> 01:17:05,760 Colts definitely wouldn't stack that up. 1531 01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:09,960 Week 12 I so that's a week off to protest, so I think. 1532 01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:14,040 We'll see that refresh. Week week 13, Seattle I think is 1533 01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:15,400 when. We wait is the is the 1534 01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:17,800 inauguration during week 17 actually? 1535 01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:22,200 The inauguration is the day after the Miami game to close 1536 01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:24,040 out the season, so that should be interesting. 1537 01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:25,600 We'll see. We'll see where his head's at 1538 01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:26,800 there, but that's what KT really. 1539 01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:28,880 Care about? Well, you know, we heard he was 1540 01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:31,240 considering AVP run. What if he gets a cabinet 1541 01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:33,120 position? What if he gets a cabinet 1542 01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:34,560 position in the Trump administration? 1543 01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:36,600 Do you think he's sticking around for football for that? 1544 01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:38,680 Bro? I don't know. 1545 01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:39,840 I don't know how you turn that down. 1546 01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:43,560 I mean, the the point is there's clearly weirdo risk with Rogers. 1547 01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:45,200 Thanks. So much yeah, there's weirdo 1548 01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:48,560 risk for sure. Yeah, you can't possibly put any 1549 01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:50,160 of the stuff that's been going on with him. 1550 01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:51,800 The last, well, it's a well timed by. 1551 01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:55,640 Weekend like like also like like he dictated personnel to the 1552 01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:58,480 point where like sabotaged the team last year when he got hurt 1553 01:17:58,480 --> 01:18:02,240 in terms of like Tim Boyle being there, Allen was there who's 1554 01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:05,000 like an absolute nightmare. Like there's a like, it's not 1555 01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:08,400 just like. His his list of guys was like, 1556 01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:12,960 yeah, his list of guys was Alan Lazard, Randall Cobb, Dalvin 1557 01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:19,520 Cook, Mercedes, Mercedes Lewis. Look, I mean look how that 1558 01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:22,680 worked out for briefs last year when you when your list of guys 1559 01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:26,360 are dust, just a big bag of dust that's. 1560 01:18:26,480 --> 01:18:29,080 No other. For the young stars, yeah, that 1561 01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:32,120 just means huge target shares and workloads for the young 1562 01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:35,080 stars. Like, I actually, I know it 1563 01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:39,240 creates weirdo risk for Rogers, but if he's like, he's going to 1564 01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:40,960 not have any choice but to throw to Garrett Wilson. 1565 01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:44,440 Like the Allen Lazard signing is good for Garrett Wilson's target 1566 01:18:44,440 --> 01:18:46,600 ship. That's a good. 1567 01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:48,920 That's a really good point. There's literally no one on the 1568 01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:51,240 roster who can take targets away from from these. 1569 01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:55,000 I guess Jason Brownlee. Jason Brownlee could take away 1570 01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:56,280 Malcolm. No, they're actually saying 1571 01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:59,000 they're hyping up Xavier. Gibson Gibson's getting. 1572 01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:02,160 Rid of Corley right now, that's like the coaches are saying 1573 01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:04,080 that, but that's not going to last. 1574 01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:06,840 I mean Gibson. Yeah, he's a kick returner kind. 1575 01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:09,720 Of guy but if we look at like upside in terms of past attempts 1576 01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:13,520 I think they. Could throw They could throw 150 1577 01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:15,440 more passes than The Jets. That's true. 1578 01:19:15,440 --> 01:19:17,080 The pace stuff with Rogers too. He. 1579 01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:20,720 Loves to play slow. I guess I just, he plays slow, 1580 01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:24,320 he throws the ball away. Their defense is very good. 1581 01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:29,480 Like I, I, I just think, I think London and Wilson are probably 1582 01:19:29,480 --> 01:19:32,560 pretty close in terms of talent and the tiebreakers actually go 1583 01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:34,680 London's way and that Wilson's way. 1584 01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:37,840 Yeah, yeah, they do. They all go his way. 1585 01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:40,320 I I would probably push back a little bit on London being as 1586 01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:42,440 good 'cause he's not nearly as good after the catch, but 1587 01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:44,760 Wilson's much better after the catch. 1588 01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:48,000 But. But but like we don't I mean, 1589 01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:51,200 they went similarly in the NFL draft. 1590 01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:55,360 They have, you know, I know in like J JS year 2 profiles, like 1591 01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:59,760 they were both really, really, really good, you know, 'cause he 1592 01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:02,320 makes the adjustments for like the team level stuff on Atlanta 1593 01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:05,200 and like. I don't know. 1594 01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:07,600 I, I think, I don't think we really can have like a lot of 1595 01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:09,440 confidence that one guy's better than the other. 1596 01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:13,240 I I. Think an open score, he's a bit 1597 01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:15,160 better, but I I might be wrong about that even. 1598 01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:17,920 It's just a good Leone. It's just a good measured take. 1599 01:20:18,480 --> 01:20:22,600 Yeah, Wilson was wide receiver 5, wide receiver tight end 5 and 1600 01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:26,200 open score and London is wide was wide receiver 7. 1601 01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:28,480 Wide tight ends are in here too, but 74th. 1602 01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:33,320 That's one of the the thing with like Wilson gets open, that dude 1603 01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:37,080 gets fucking open and and the quarterback play has been so, 1604 01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:43,160 so, so bad that if to me, if one of these dudes, unlike UN hiding 1605 01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:47,560 beneath the surface here is an actual superstar, it's Wilson 1606 01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:50,440 and that, and to me the route running stuff would be would 1607 01:20:50,480 --> 01:20:54,760 kind of help point to that. Yeah, Yeah, I think you're 1608 01:20:54,760 --> 01:21:00,440 right. We have time here to hit on two 1609 01:21:00,440 --> 01:21:06,120 more guys or. I'm gonna have to, I like have 1610 01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:08,880 to literally leave the house in 6 minutes so. 1611 01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:13,880 OK, well, Leona, hidden Davis, you if you have time, I am very 1612 01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:15,360 curious on these last two players. 1613 01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:20,000 We can do 10 or 50 more minutes and then call it Pat. 1614 01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:25,080 Feel free to to leave whenever. DeAndre Swift, he's a guy that 1615 01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:30,880 is really confounding to me. He's 20 spots higher on ETR 1616 01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:34,320 ranks versus ADP. You guys have him at rank 70 1617 01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:40,080 versus ADP of 89. For me, like the narrative has 1618 01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:42,680 almost like completely flipped on Swift for last year. 1619 01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:45,840 It was like, oh, the NFL like hates DeAndre Swift. 1620 01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:48,640 He was traded away for nothing. But all the efficiency metrics 1621 01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:50,960 on him are are really good. Like I really like him. 1622 01:21:51,240 --> 01:21:54,600 And this year, it's like all the efficiency metrics on him sucked 1623 01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:56,520 last year, but the NFL really likes him. 1624 01:21:56,520 --> 01:21:58,680 Like, he got paid 25,000,000 in free agency. 1625 01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:00,720 So he's the guy where I'm like, what? 1626 01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:03,920 What is DeAndre Swift at this point in his career? 1627 01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:06,720 I'm really confused and don't know what to make of it. 1628 01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:09,160 Leonie, help us here. What do we do with DeAndre 1629 01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:10,760 Swift? Yeah. 1630 01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:12,600 I mean, I just think they've brought him in. 1631 01:22:13,440 --> 01:22:17,520 They give him a really good deal for a running back, especially 1632 01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:21,960 given like what you said, and I think it's pretty clear he's 1633 01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:23,880 going to step in, be the lead. They've already talked. 1634 01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:25,920 I mean, you always hear talk about like throwing to the 1635 01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:28,320 running backs and stuff, but they've already talked about 1636 01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:30,280 like utilizing him in the passing game, which is what you 1637 01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:33,480 want to hear if you're pro DeAndre Swift because that's 1638 01:22:33,480 --> 01:22:38,240 what he's good at. And their team we're in general 1639 01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:40,720 just higher on the Bears offense than I think a lot of the 1640 01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:43,200 market, like their average total is pretty high. 1641 01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:46,640 Caleb's a really, really good prospect. 1642 01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:48,920 They've invested on the offensive side of the ball. 1643 01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:55,520 They have three really strong wide receivers and I just think 1644 01:22:55,520 --> 01:23:00,280 like if you think he's close to the lead back here, he's got a 1645 01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:03,800 lot of athletic big play upside, even if he's not the best at 1646 01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:06,040 hitting holes and success rate and whatnot. 1647 01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:09,080 You can see like even though stats last year as bad as he 1648 01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:11,120 was, even like the breakaway percentage was a little bit 1649 01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:13,880 better. Granted, some of that is skewed 1650 01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:16,600 because he played with Philly and like anyone's gonna have a 1651 01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:19,000 decent breakaway percentage, but I do think we think of him as 1652 01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:23,280 like a bigger play guy, and I think that's accurate, yeah. 1653 01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:26,680 I would be curious to hear you guys talk about Khalil Herbert 1654 01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:29,680 cause I've been kind of I was high on him as like someone that 1655 01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:32,240 my skepticism on if they stick with Swift. 1656 01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:34,720 And then I was also nervous about him. 1657 01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:37,760 Maybe not even like being the RV two if Roshan passes him. 1658 01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:42,760 So but I do, I do got a jump. I want to say it looks like 1659 01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:46,040 later today we'll see. But it looks like later today 1660 01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:49,640 we're going to launch this this sidekick dynamic rankings tool 1661 01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:51,280 that we've been teasing for about a week. 1662 01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:56,000 So look for that later today or hopefully not, but maybe 1663 01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:58,360 tomorrow morning we'll have a I'll have a post out on it. 1664 01:23:58,360 --> 01:24:00,280 We'll have got a YouTube video out on it on the like up 1665 01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:05,080 channel. So yeah, hope you guys enjoy 1666 01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:06,240 getting a chance to test that out. 1667 01:24:06,240 --> 01:24:09,280 Every Legendary Upside subscribers going to be able to 1668 01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:11,600 test it out for five days as part of a stress test that we're 1669 01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:14,560 we're dropping hopefully today. Awesome. 1670 01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:16,520 Sounds cool, Pat. Thanks for joining us. 1671 01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:17,640 We'll we'll see you next week talk. 1672 01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:19,600 To you later. See Pat. 1673 01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:21,840 Yeah. So on. 1674 01:24:22,280 --> 01:24:28,200 Yeah, go ahead, Davis. I guess I I question one, I 1675 01:24:28,200 --> 01:24:30,480 would ask where you have him positionally ranked. 1676 01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:33,240 Like do you have him in line with AVP positionally because I 1677 01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:36,160 find I mean. I'm pretty sure we're we're 1678 01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:40,360 definitely ahead positionally. So I find it him interesting 1679 01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:44,600 because I expect his targets to actually probably go up from 1680 01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:48,720 where they were at last year because Jalen Hurts is a running 1681 01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:50,600 quarterback and just doesn't throw the ball the running back 1682 01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:53,400 much. But his touchdown expectation 1683 01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:56,480 should go relatively decently up. 1684 01:24:56,480 --> 01:24:59,000 But I, I'm, I'm just concerned he might not be good. 1685 01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:01,520 I I I truly. Yeah, he might not be good. 1686 01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:07,920 That's the but like can he be bad and like explosive at the 1687 01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:11,360 same time, right like. That's kind of what he's done 1688 01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:13,840 his whole career, right? Is he like, he's like the 1689 01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:16,560 opposite of like Rashad White where I think Rashad White might 1690 01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:18,800 not be as bad as people think, but he's like clearly not 1691 01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:20,720 explosive like no matter how you dice it. 1692 01:25:21,160 --> 01:25:24,560 I think Swift might be like the opposite of Rashad White where 1693 01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:29,480 like he's he's bad, but he's he's explosive. 1694 01:25:29,480 --> 01:25:34,400 So I'll take the explosiveness. 7070% of his 70% of his plays 1695 01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:37,720 are bad but 30% are good and the 30% get him to like a very 1696 01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:40,440 respectable total. Yeah, go, go, go full Kenneth 1697 01:25:40,440 --> 01:25:44,000 Walker on this thing. I I actually could buy that. 1698 01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:48,760 But like we have him, for example, with 43% of the 1699 01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:52,600 carries, we have Roshan and Herbert combined for like 39% of 1700 01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:54,720 the carries. I don't think that's a crazy 1701 01:25:54,720 --> 01:25:56,720 aggressive split. And yeah. 1702 01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:58,280 That seems almost like conservative. 1703 01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:02,360 And in this offense like that's like we're kind of spitting out 1704 01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:07,040 like that gives him, you know, we have him with only 52 target. 1705 01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:10,240 Like I think there's like a lot of room beyond what our base 1706 01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:13,880 projection is for him. So I feel pretty good about our 1707 01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:15,800 stance on him. Again, I think a lot of it just 1708 01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:18,360 goes back that we're higher on Chicago than the market. 1709 01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:21,240 We're definitely lower on Roshan of the three backs. 1710 01:26:21,480 --> 01:26:23,000 We're pretty high on Cleo Herbert. 1711 01:26:23,640 --> 01:26:27,520 That one maybe we're just wrong on, but I think Herbert's 1712 01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:30,680 favored ahead of Roshan. There might even be some trade 1713 01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:35,240 equity for Herbert going to, you know, a more advantageous spot. 1714 01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:39,480 I think he ends up getting dinged pretty pretty hard if 1715 01:26:39,480 --> 01:26:44,320 Roshan really has a hold on the third down passing down stuff. 1716 01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:47,800 Like if if Roshan is really the long down distance guy kind of 1717 01:26:47,800 --> 01:26:52,880 in a Samaj P Ryan style way, I think that's pretty bad for him 1718 01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:57,000 in like a way that really changes his range of outcomes. 1719 01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:03,120 Yeah, I just wish, man, I just wish Swift like just played 1720 01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:05,400 better last year 'cause I, I know like, like. 1721 01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:08,280 That's why that's the only reason why we get him at the tag 1722 01:27:08,280 --> 01:27:09,520 that we get him. At Yeah, he would have been a 1723 01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:11,400 2-3 turn pick if he played well and got. 1724 01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:14,320 This contract, which like I didn't, I didn't pull it up 1725 01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:19,400 here, but like you look at Miles Sanders 2022 sets versus Swift 1726 01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:22,480 and I get the Eagles offense overall was better, but like 1727 01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:26,000 this offense was making every running back look hyper 1728 01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:31,200 efficient and swift just like could not get it done last year. 1729 01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:34,080 So I don't know, man, that's that's where I'm worried because 1730 01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:37,560 I, I end up with them a lot because again, I I like Chicago, 1731 01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:40,440 I take a doonsay a bunch and I'm like, OK, let's bet on Chicago's 1732 01:27:40,440 --> 01:27:42,240 offense. I'll I'll tack swift on. 1733 01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:45,200 I'm just, there's a part of me that's really worried. 1734 01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:48,680 I'm just like making the Miles Sanders mistake of last year. 1735 01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:52,080 We're just like following the contract for a player that I'm 1736 01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:56,280 not sure I really believe in. I think Swift has a bit more 1737 01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:58,360 juice than Miles Sanders did and is. 1738 01:27:58,360 --> 01:27:59,880 Also I agree with. That. 1739 01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:02,200 Then I do, too. But like, he was still so much 1740 01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:05,320 worse than Sanders was in 2022, which is scary. 1741 01:28:05,560 --> 01:28:06,440 Yeah. No, but I. 1742 01:28:06,480 --> 01:28:08,280 I do agree with that. I do agree. 1743 01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:13,920 This is a a spot where my new found inability to diversify my 1744 01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:16,720 teams is, is showing up because like, I, I think I 1745 01:28:17,480 --> 01:28:22,480 philosophically agree sort of with Leonie's side, but his AVP 1746 01:28:22,480 --> 01:28:26,080 is before Jalen Warren. So I just seem like a blind. 1747 01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:27,920 I'm just. Clicking on Warren. 1748 01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:30,360 Yeah. I mean, I like Jalen Warren, but 1749 01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:32,320 I don't love Jalen. Warren no, it's a bit like 1750 01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:37,040 Warren's kind of the slappy pick of of the year right now, but he 1751 01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:40,800 also also I'm taking quarterbacks a lot there as 1752 01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:42,320 well. You know, like, like you're, 1753 01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:44,240 you're kind of you're in that range of the draft where you're 1754 01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:46,400 like, OK, I'm going to sometimes. 1755 01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:49,160 Really. Well, Kyler's right there. 1756 01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:53,840 Burrow is right there. Also, I take Romandre over him. 1757 01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:54,960 So like a lot of the times you're getting. 1758 01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:59,880 That's bad. You think I'm a patriot, Slappy? 1759 01:28:59,880 --> 01:29:00,960 Yeah, it probably is. Bad. 1760 01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:02,800 I'm just, I'm just, I give you a heart attack. 1761 01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:05,040 No, I would think Swift over Romandre, but I don't think it's 1762 01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:09,080 like bad. Romandre Romandre has the same 1763 01:29:09,480 --> 01:29:13,520 third down risk I think that Swift does, but on probably the 1764 01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:17,200 worst offense in in the NFL. Yeah, I'll say it was swift. 1765 01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:20,480 Like I do end up with weird spots and drafts where like I 1766 01:29:20,480 --> 01:29:25,040 have him as like the best guy on the board, but it's like there's 1767 01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:27,400 always like, I feel like there's always like 5 running backs. 1768 01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:30,120 Like four of them have like slightly better ADPS. 1769 01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:32,000 And then I. Try and push him around and then 1770 01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:33,920 he just never makes it back the next round. 1771 01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:36,680 So he get he gets in like this weird flux depending on like 1772 01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:40,600 where you pick where I don't know, there's obviously a ton of 1773 01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:42,360 randomness. This the ADP works out for a 1774 01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:44,000 reason. Like it's average ADP, but 1775 01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:46,240 there's some guys where I feel like I'm constantly getting past 1776 01:29:46,240 --> 01:29:49,320 ADP and other guys were like, it's just not happening. 1777 01:29:49,440 --> 01:29:51,280 But I, I don't know. I like, I like Swift a lot. 1778 01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:53,000 I feel pretty good about this one overall. 1779 01:29:55,360 --> 01:30:00,520 Let's end the show here talking about Gabe Davis again, a guy 1780 01:30:01,080 --> 01:30:03,840 there's zero fantasy podcasts that want to talk about Gabe 1781 01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:06,560 Davis right now kind of feels like we've reached the point 1782 01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:11,160 where like he just is who he is, and maybe that's why it's a 1783 01:30:11,160 --> 01:30:15,320 boring conversation. I pulled up his career stats and 1784 01:30:15,320 --> 01:30:19,240 they're kind of interesting to look at here. 1785 01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:22,600 His yards for outrun of 1.51. That's that's pretty solid for 1786 01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:24,880 wide receiver. It's not great, but again you 1787 01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:27,160 see this, it's also. Pretty solid for a guy who runs 1788 01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:29,320 every route. There's no there's no cheating 1789 01:30:29,320 --> 01:30:31,560 there. This dude plays like 95% of the 1790 01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:33,960 snaps. Yeah, and where it shows up, 1791 01:30:33,960 --> 01:30:37,360 like why people I guess hate on Gabe Davis is he does not earn 1792 01:30:37,360 --> 01:30:39,640 targets at all, 15% targets for outrun. 1793 01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:42,200 Like that's that's not a number that would even really get you 1794 01:30:42,200 --> 01:30:46,120 excited at tight end, nevermind wide receiver. 1795 01:30:46,280 --> 01:30:50,000 But again, you got to understand his role really high A dot big 1796 01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:52,880 playability, like consistent ability, at least with Josh 1797 01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:56,520 Allen to generate spike weeks and show up in your basketball 1798 01:30:56,520 --> 01:30:58,880 lineup. So yeah, he's been a tough click 1799 01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:01,800 for me, Leonie at pick 133 because I, I do think you're 1800 01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:04,960 still getting like quote UN quote breakout candidates at 1801 01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:08,160 wide receiver available there with your Jalen Polk's, your 1802 01:31:08,160 --> 01:31:11,760 Xavier Leggettes, your Josh Downs, your, you know, Dante and 1803 01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:16,640 Wicks before he rose a ton. So it's a tough click, but I, I 1804 01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:22,080 think I get the logic for being so high on him projection wise. 1805 01:31:22,360 --> 01:31:25,040 Curious what you'd add on the Gabe Davis conversation. 1806 01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:27,840 Why are you guys so much higher than ADP on Gabe? 1807 01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:31,080 Davis yeah, I think Jacksonville in general is really 1808 01:31:31,080 --> 01:31:33,640 underpriced. I mean, we're way ahead of ADP 1809 01:31:33,640 --> 01:31:37,680 on Trevor Lawrence, I think, I think he ran so incredibly bad 1810 01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:40,440 last year. I think Calvin Ridley was not 1811 01:31:40,440 --> 01:31:45,280 that good and had so many opportunities and still like put 1812 01:31:45,280 --> 01:31:48,720 up 1000 yard season with, you know, 7 touchdowns or whatever 1813 01:31:48,720 --> 01:31:52,040 it was. So we're higher, we're hiring 1814 01:31:52,040 --> 01:31:54,600 Kirk, we're hiring Brian Thomas, we're hiring Gabe Davis. 1815 01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:57,440 I just think in general, this is a team that's going to play at 1816 01:31:57,440 --> 01:31:59,720 an above average pace. They're going to have an above 1817 01:31:59,720 --> 01:32:01,800 average pass rate. They have an above average 1818 01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:03,360 quarterback. Like you put all those things 1819 01:32:03,360 --> 01:32:08,240 together and they can probably support a lot of pass catchers 1820 01:32:08,240 --> 01:32:12,200 and Davis's big playability is really what shines through. 1821 01:32:12,200 --> 01:32:14,560 Like we don't have him getting a ton of volume. 1822 01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:18,640 You know, we have him, our base projections, 84 targets on the 1823 01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:20,880 season. It's not a huge volume thing. 1824 01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:24,800 We don't have him with huge volume upside, but we think he'd 1825 01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:28,440 like can maintain that high TD rate going from Buffalo to 1826 01:32:28,440 --> 01:32:31,160 Jacksonville. You just you just need the T DS 1827 01:32:31,160 --> 01:32:34,640 to come like in the right time, like for him to be like a super 1828 01:32:34,640 --> 01:32:37,160 advanced right player. Like if he gets he has one of 1829 01:32:37,160 --> 01:32:41,440 his classic two touchdown games. And like, you know, Christian 1830 01:32:41,440 --> 01:32:45,920 Kirk in his career has spent a lot of time not on the field in 1831 01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:49,160 two wide receiver sets, whereas Gabe Davis is like a lock to be 1832 01:32:49,160 --> 01:32:51,280 in the field. And and those like there, 1833 01:32:51,280 --> 01:32:55,920 there's maybe like a a smidgen, a smidgen of target upside with 1834 01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:56,440 him. I think. 1835 01:32:56,440 --> 01:32:59,280 I mean, I'm not making him a core part of my strategy or 1836 01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:01,000 anything, but I agree with this ranking. 1837 01:33:01,520 --> 01:33:06,440 The bear case on Gabe would be like you guys have noted, all 1838 01:33:06,440 --> 01:33:09,600 his stats have come with him running 90% plus the routes. 1839 01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:12,720 Like if he did end up not running 90% plus the routes, 1840 01:33:12,720 --> 01:33:16,080 like it's like oh man like. Yeah, then you're in jail. 1841 01:33:17,080 --> 01:33:20,160 And you're scared a little bit, but I think like the markets 1842 01:33:20,160 --> 01:33:22,880 more than taking that into account as far as like how I'm 1843 01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:25,440 like drafting him. Obviously like any Lawrence 1844 01:33:25,440 --> 01:33:28,240 stuff, it's pretty easy to double tap those guys. 1845 01:33:28,440 --> 01:33:30,720 I mean, it's almost a backdoor stack, like where you can get 1846 01:33:30,720 --> 01:33:34,640 them in rounds, like, I don't know, 11-12 or something. 1847 01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:41,360 I will draft a decent amount of teams where I'm getting like 1848 01:33:41,680 --> 01:33:44,280 wide receiver times three out of the gate or something. 1849 01:33:44,280 --> 01:33:47,000 But then like I really detour a lot. 1850 01:33:47,200 --> 01:33:51,600 And then if that's the case, I need receivers like Gabe Davis 1851 01:33:52,360 --> 01:33:54,880 around where he goes and I'm very happy to take him. 1852 01:33:54,960 --> 01:33:59,720 If I'm drafting a heavier wide receiver team, like more of A0RB 1853 01:33:59,720 --> 01:34:03,120 or Hero RB team, I'm probably taking running backs in this 1854 01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:04,680 range. And then to Sam's point, like 1855 01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:08,080 after where Gabe goes, you can still get like some of the 1856 01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:10,400 rookie wide receivers that you need for breakout. 1857 01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:13,520 And usually at that point you more care about upside because 1858 01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:18,200 you've drafted like so many for sure, like projectable volume 1859 01:34:18,200 --> 01:34:21,160 receivers already in the first, you know, 7 rounds or whatever. 1860 01:34:23,120 --> 01:34:27,000 It just fits so well with the I've got 2 running backs, 4 wide 1861 01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:29,840 receivers on the team. I take Evan Ingram because I 1862 01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:32,200 need a tight end and I don't love any of the options on the 1863 01:34:32,200 --> 01:34:34,080 board. Then I take another wide 1864 01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:36,800 receiver. Then I take another running back 1865 01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:38,800 and I'm on the clock in round ten. 1866 01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:41,400 I take Trevor Lawrence, I need another wide receiver. 1867 01:34:41,400 --> 01:34:45,400 I take Gabe Davis and I feel really good like it just it's 1868 01:34:45,400 --> 01:34:51,160 it's so follows sequentially. Yeah, and I buy like I think the 1869 01:34:51,160 --> 01:34:56,120 other bare argument on Davis you could make would be that his his 1870 01:34:56,120 --> 01:34:58,880 spike week stats are basically just Josh Allen stats. 1871 01:34:58,880 --> 01:35:03,040 Like a lot of the the Gabe Davis stuff is Josh Allen going hero 1872 01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:08,120 mode, broken play finding Davis deep down field for a touchdown. 1873 01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:10,160 I'm I'm a big Trevor Lawrence believer. 1874 01:35:10,160 --> 01:35:12,960 So I still think he has a quarterback that can connect 1875 01:35:12,960 --> 01:35:15,600 with him in a similar way that Allen did. 1876 01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:18,520 Obviously, you know, maybe Trevor Lawrence isn't Josh 1877 01:35:18,520 --> 01:35:22,480 Allen, but I still think Trevor Lawrence's skill set is pretty 1878 01:35:22,480 --> 01:35:24,960 well suited to how Gabe Davis wins. 1879 01:35:25,400 --> 01:35:30,640 So yeah, I, I think it's, I, I think the, you know, being that 1880 01:35:30,640 --> 01:35:35,240 far above Davis by your ranking makes sense. 1881 01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:39,240 And certainly in Trevor Lawrence stacks, Like he's, he's 100% a 1882 01:35:39,240 --> 01:35:40,880 priority for me in Trevor Lawrence stacks. 1883 01:35:42,600 --> 01:35:47,160 Yeah, yeah, I agree. All right, let's end here 1884 01:35:48,200 --> 01:35:51,920 talking about our favorite closing line values versus ADP. 1885 01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:56,800 Does anyone have one handy and want to get us started? 1886 01:35:57,360 --> 01:36:00,600 Yeah, Jalen McMillan. Oh, I love that one. 1887 01:36:00,600 --> 01:36:03,280 Wow, Mcmillionaire. Let's go, Leone. 1888 01:36:03,800 --> 01:36:07,200 That's that's probably my highest exposure wide receiver 1889 01:36:07,200 --> 01:36:10,040 in the end rounds right now. He's mine too. 1890 01:36:10,040 --> 01:36:13,760 I I think I tweeted out that like a doonsay was my highest. 1891 01:36:13,760 --> 01:36:16,040 Exposure. Player yesterday, but it's 1892 01:36:16,040 --> 01:36:19,400 actually McMillan at 3034% right now. 1893 01:36:21,080 --> 01:36:24,200 I had 65% of McMillan in the big board. 1894 01:36:26,120 --> 01:36:29,120 I mean, I think there's a lot of outs for him and like the the 1895 01:36:29,240 --> 01:36:33,440 there's the generic rookie like, you know, why aren't we just 1896 01:36:33,440 --> 01:36:34,800 taking more shots on these rookies? 1897 01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:38,280 Like every year we kind of have every other year we have a a 1898 01:36:38,360 --> 01:36:43,280 late round one break out. I think the offense is gonna the 1899 01:36:43,280 --> 01:36:46,160 plus pass volume because they can't run the ball and I don't 1900 01:36:46,160 --> 01:36:49,120 think they're good enough to like be playing from ahead a 1901 01:36:49,120 --> 01:36:52,040 ton. And he's got different ways of 1902 01:36:52,040 --> 01:36:53,400 getting on. I think he could be good as a 1903 01:36:53,440 --> 01:36:55,320 third wide receiver and the offense is really good. 1904 01:36:55,320 --> 01:36:57,840 But then he's also got contingent value on two guys. 1905 01:36:57,840 --> 01:37:01,000 So I don't know it it seems like they can they feel like they can 1906 01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:03,720 play him anywhere. Yeah. 1907 01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:08,840 Yeah, go ahead, Davis. I mean, I just, I think that 1908 01:37:08,840 --> 01:37:11,680 there's also like Godwin, just like weirdness stuff. 1909 01:37:13,160 --> 01:37:15,840 Yeah, I was gonna say like both, and this isn't closing line 1910 01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:19,120 value argument, but like, undeniably both Godwin and Evans 1911 01:37:19,120 --> 01:37:22,640 have like age Cliff risk, right? Like it's not gonna this I like 1912 01:37:22,640 --> 01:37:24,720 I like Evans this year. I'm not saying he's a bad pick, 1913 01:37:24,720 --> 01:37:27,960 but the show's not gonna go on forever and you have to assign 1914 01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:30,720 some probability to either one of them just falling off a 1915 01:37:30,720 --> 01:37:33,280 Cliff, right? So yeah, that's why I think 1916 01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:34,920 Mcmillan's such a great last round pick. 1917 01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:39,320 I probably should have done this one last week 'cause he's 1918 01:37:39,320 --> 01:37:43,560 already up a little bit. But Blake Coram, I mean, you've 1919 01:37:43,560 --> 01:37:45,240 got one. You've got to, oh, actually, 1920 01:37:45,240 --> 01:37:48,520 turns out Kyron's foot is going to be a problem and he's not 1921 01:37:48,520 --> 01:37:50,720 going to be ready for training camp like we thought he was 1922 01:37:50,720 --> 01:37:51,840 going to be. That's big. 1923 01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:56,440 But then also, I mean, Shawn and Vey will not shut up about this 1924 01:37:56,440 --> 01:37:57,800 guy. Like there's just no reason for 1925 01:37:57,800 --> 01:38:00,240 him to be going on a media tour about his third round pick. 1926 01:38:00,240 --> 01:38:03,480 But like each of the last two Rams press conferences I've 1927 01:38:03,480 --> 01:38:06,960 seen, he's been like, you know, like Quorum, He's he's learning 1928 01:38:06,960 --> 01:38:09,680 all the past protections. He's a da da da da da da XY and 1929 01:38:09,680 --> 01:38:12,320 Z. And I mean, look, we just need 1930 01:38:12,320 --> 01:38:15,760 big ETR to move him up a little bit and get and get this theme 1931 01:38:15,760 --> 01:38:16,960 move. And I, I think, I think it's 1932 01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:18,680 very, I think that I think it's very real. 1933 01:38:20,280 --> 01:38:22,440 Honestly, one of the best ways to do this exercise would just 1934 01:38:22,440 --> 01:38:25,880 be sorting by ETR ranks verse ADP and. 1935 01:38:26,760 --> 01:38:29,960 The the ETR change log would whoever whoever got bumped up 1936 01:38:29,960 --> 01:38:33,320 the highest last week that. 'D be pretty effective. 1937 01:38:34,040 --> 01:38:37,680 The beginning of the best ball season, I felt like our ranks 1938 01:38:37,680 --> 01:38:39,160 weren't like moving stuff that much. 1939 01:38:39,160 --> 01:38:41,520 But the last two times I've run the data for Adam does the 1940 01:38:41,520 --> 01:38:44,160 market Monday. So I run the data for like the 1941 01:38:44,160 --> 01:38:49,040 ADP movers and it's been it's been our guys on like both sides 1942 01:38:49,040 --> 01:38:51,840 of it. The people are people are 1943 01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:54,200 getting a lot smarter and like the injured dudes for a while 1944 01:38:54,200 --> 01:38:58,600 there someone was taking Chubber Hawkinson like way too early in 1945 01:38:58,600 --> 01:39:01,320 every draft. And those those days seem to be. 1946 01:39:01,640 --> 01:39:04,680 Seem to be over. Those are over all right, I'll 1947 01:39:04,680 --> 01:39:07,160 go with here. This is definitely a a risky 1948 01:39:07,160 --> 01:39:09,760 one, but trying to win this game. 1949 01:39:09,760 --> 01:39:12,480 I'm going to take a stab on Kamani Vidal. 1950 01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:16,560 We got the news this week that Gus Edwards got banged up. 1951 01:39:16,640 --> 01:39:19,680 There's not really any details about that unless I miss 1952 01:39:19,680 --> 01:39:22,640 something. I do think like once we have 1953 01:39:22,640 --> 01:39:25,840 confirmation that Kamani Vidal is not going to be an absolute 1954 01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:28,920 zero like he's he's in the running back rotation ahead of 1955 01:39:28,920 --> 01:39:31,400 JK Dobbins. Maybe this injury for Gus 1956 01:39:31,400 --> 01:39:34,200 Edwards lingers into the preseason and Vidal get some 1957 01:39:34,200 --> 01:39:38,080 snaps with the first team. I think that's gonna send him 1958 01:39:38,280 --> 01:39:40,640 way up boards. You know, ultimately I do think 1959 01:39:40,640 --> 01:39:43,760 there's a cap on his ADP with that six round draft capital, 1960 01:39:43,760 --> 01:39:46,480 but I still think there's a chance we're getting a pretty 1961 01:39:46,480 --> 01:39:50,760 good deal on him now at at pick 160 and I could see him. 1962 01:39:51,240 --> 01:39:54,120 Like why is there no news? Why why is there no news? 1963 01:39:54,120 --> 01:39:56,960 I I don't know that this guy exists from reading charger 1964 01:39:56,960 --> 01:39:59,800 stuff. Yeah, like there was like. 1965 01:40:00,640 --> 01:40:05,720 I've not heard a word. He is the, he's been the one 1966 01:40:05,720 --> 01:40:08,480 rookie running back I've been more apt to. 1967 01:40:08,480 --> 01:40:11,400 I mean, I'm taking shots on like different ones in different 1968 01:40:11,400 --> 01:40:13,960 spots, but I do get worried about some of these guys just 1969 01:40:13,960 --> 01:40:15,920 not actually playing. But Badal's one, I've been 1970 01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:18,240 taking the risk and he's already come up a lot though. 1971 01:40:19,840 --> 01:40:21,480 I mean, he's the running back 50. 1972 01:40:21,480 --> 01:40:23,720 And I don't have confirmation that Jim Harbaugh knows he 1973 01:40:23,720 --> 01:40:26,280 exists. You know, like I like like I 1974 01:40:26,720 --> 01:40:31,440 seriously seriously like it. Nothing, No, no, no highlights, 1975 01:40:31,440 --> 01:40:33,840 nothing from the beat. It's been like, oh, Vidal took 1976 01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:38,200 like nothing. And I don't I mean, like that in 1977 01:40:38,200 --> 01:40:42,760 and of itself doesn't matter that much because these guys 1978 01:40:42,760 --> 01:40:45,080 are, you know, like the what's the Chargers beat writer know 1979 01:40:45,080 --> 01:40:47,200 about the running back to battle? 1980 01:40:47,200 --> 01:40:48,640 Like, he probably doesn't care that much. 1981 01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:54,520 But if it's August and we still don't have like real clear, 1982 01:40:54,520 --> 01:40:57,760 Kamani Vidal and and what if Dobbins makes the team? 1983 01:40:57,760 --> 01:40:59,840 I mean, what if JK Dobbins makes the team? 1984 01:41:00,640 --> 01:41:04,080 That's a real crazy scenario. Yeah, I will have to start 1985 01:41:04,080 --> 01:41:07,600 drafting at that point, but I'm still betting on the guy who 1986 01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:08,960 didn't tear his Achilles last year. 1987 01:41:09,280 --> 01:41:10,440 That's just. No, I mean that. 1988 01:41:10,560 --> 01:41:11,880 That strategy has almost never failed. 1989 01:41:12,840 --> 01:41:16,960 What if Vidal, if, if I told you guys right now Vidal leads the 1990 01:41:16,960 --> 01:41:18,520 Chargers and carries, Where does he go? 1991 01:41:18,560 --> 01:41:20,920 Is he like running back 23 or something? 1992 01:41:20,920 --> 01:41:25,440 Probably. I'd say around, yeah, if he 1993 01:41:25,440 --> 01:41:26,840 leads the team in care, if we knew he leads. 1994 01:41:27,240 --> 01:41:29,200 If we knew he led the team in care just. 1995 01:41:29,200 --> 01:41:32,440 Like let's say let's do not he'd be going like that way to do 1996 01:41:32,440 --> 01:41:33,800 this exercise, bad way to do this. 1997 01:41:33,800 --> 01:41:35,760 Like RV 20. RV 19. 1998 01:41:35,880 --> 01:41:38,480 Dobbins. Dobbins gets cut, they say. 1999 01:41:38,480 --> 01:41:41,680 They say Dobbins, take your $50,000 and walk buddy. 2000 01:41:41,680 --> 01:41:43,040 We don't even need you to come to camp. 2001 01:41:43,360 --> 01:41:46,240 And Gus Edwards is on the pup. Where does Vidal go? 2002 01:41:47,480 --> 01:41:49,720 Pick 80. Yeah, no. 2003 01:41:49,720 --> 01:41:52,320 Right over. Yeah, higher, you think? 2004 01:41:52,960 --> 01:41:54,920 I think so. The thing about that is like the 2005 01:41:54,920 --> 01:41:56,760 ARB. If that's the only information, 2006 01:41:56,760 --> 01:41:58,360 we I'm just like, I'm trying to play it as like. 2007 01:41:58,400 --> 01:42:00,080 Yeah, that's the, that's the only information. 2008 01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:01,800 We have like prove the doll information. 2009 01:42:01,800 --> 01:42:02,760 We just. Have just. 2010 01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:05,400 Just just those guys are are out of the way. 2011 01:42:05,680 --> 01:42:08,400 Oh, you mean higher like a higher number ADP? 2012 01:42:08,400 --> 01:42:09,760 A higher number, a higher. Number. 2013 01:42:09,760 --> 01:42:12,720 I mean maybe more like like. Yeah, under underdog speak. 2014 01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:19,720 Yeah, Like, I don't know, probably he still goes after 2015 01:42:19,720 --> 01:42:21,200 like Trey Benson, don't you think? 2016 01:42:21,240 --> 01:42:24,480 I mean. Yeah, I think after, I think 2017 01:42:24,480 --> 01:42:27,120 after Benson kind of in the, he probably goes right next to 2018 01:42:27,120 --> 01:42:28,880 Chase Brown. Probably, probably right where 2019 01:42:28,880 --> 01:42:31,720 it's like, it's like Slappy from this guy. 20 so let's call it 2020 01:42:31,720 --> 01:42:34,560 like 1:10-ish. Yeah, I think that seems. 2021 01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:35,920 Right. That's probably more accurate. 2022 01:42:37,160 --> 01:42:37,800 Yeah. All right. 2023 01:42:38,640 --> 01:42:43,960 That'll do it for today. Leone, what do you have going on 2024 01:42:44,000 --> 01:42:48,280 ETR and I think we talked about a little bit, but for or maybe 2025 01:42:48,400 --> 01:42:51,600 5% of listeners that don't know what is ETR have going on for 2026 01:42:51,600 --> 01:42:54,200 the best ball package this this offseason? 2027 01:42:54,800 --> 01:42:57,160 Yeah, we've got rankings for like all the different 2028 01:42:57,440 --> 01:42:59,560 basketball tournaments and formats. 2029 01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:01,000 I've been doing some content there. 2030 01:43:01,000 --> 01:43:04,320 I did an article on the Best Ball Mania finals from last year 2031 01:43:04,320 --> 01:43:06,760 simulating those, kind of teasing out a lot of data from 2032 01:43:06,760 --> 01:43:11,080 those simulations and hoping by the end of the month to I've 2033 01:43:11,080 --> 01:43:13,840 only got like two weeks now, but to start leaking like some 2034 01:43:13,880 --> 01:43:16,600 updates to the Best Ball manifesto that I wrote last 2035 01:43:16,600 --> 01:43:18,840 year. Awesome. 2036 01:43:19,760 --> 01:43:21,840 Beautiful. Sounds good. 2037 01:43:22,680 --> 01:43:26,000 We will see you guys next week. Peace.