All right, welcome to ship chasing pros versus Joe's draft.
This is my pros versus Joe's. I've got Trico joining.
I've got Pete Overvette joining here in a few minutes.
Let me share the board. I'm in the two hole and I'm on
the clock. So Drico, what?
What would you do here? Normally just CD Lamb.
Yeah, that's that's also what I'm going to do.
All right, don't need to overthink it.
Come on down. So, so you're the pro and so
then you've you've got the two Joes either side of you that we
probably won't know much about. And then there you go, and six.
Yep, We got Andrew Cooper, we got the Deep End Podcast, got
Justin Boone. So it's going to, it's not going
to be an easy draft, not going to be an easy draft.
No. But yeah, I like in the two hole
where you've you've done way more of these FFPCS than I have.
What are your thoughts on on this side of the board?
So the, the first decision is the easiest and then it's the,
the the trickiest part is, is when it comes back in the second
round. And because the, the, and what
what's difficult about that is a lot of the time that the good
sort of tight ends are gone and you, you, you, you more or less
have a decision between maybe take a wide receiver, maybe
devote Adchan, or do you just reach for a tight end and.
Right, because. Because you don't want to like,
OK, well, I'm not on the right side of the board for the tight
ends. The other guys, they can they,
they can get McBride, they can get cold pits.
So that that's, that's, that's the, the tricky part of playing
from this spot is you, you, you do want to make sure you're
getting a good share of the elite tight ends.
But are, are, are you, are you willing to reach for the from
the two hole? Or do you just let the let the,
the one hole push somebody back to you?
That that's that's the hard part.
Yeah. And I mean, I, I like Andrews a
lot, Kincaid obviously a pretty interesting pick and you know,
PPR formats had, you know, getting that extra 1 PPR
compared to underdog is, is pretty nice and tight and
premium so. Are are are?
How concerned are you with the the recent?
Kind of concerns, Yeah, kind of concerns.
Because like, like obviously you, you, you do get the bet,
you get the benefit of the tight end premium, but then you're
using a second round pick on them.
And like, you see, you see, I, I see stuff like, oh, well,
actually, it's still going to be very Knox.
It's still going to be very important for the team.
Like it's going to be kind of like last year.
That that freaks me out a little bit from taking a second round
using a second round pick. Yeah, I don't love it,
especially because like Shakur is, you know, getting plenty of
run with the the starters and he's going to play out of the
slot. So like, it's not like they're
just going to be like base 12 Samuel will probably get running
out of the slot too. Not that the receivers are like
amazing, but I don't know that they're always going to have,
you know, like Kincaid is going to struggle to run all the
routes unless they're out of base 12 and I, I I'm kind of
helpful that they are. So it's a little concerning at
the same time, like his targets for outrun, if he's in a part
time role is probably going to be really high.
Like they're going to they're going to be looking for him at a
very high rate when he's on the field.
So like panicked, But it does. You're kind of betting on this
like year two breakout where he gets a lot more work and I don't
and and and receiver work is routes to some degree.
So it's a little bit, it's a, it definitely concerns me to a
degree. Yeah, yeah, I, I, I've had a
decent amount of my about 10% so far.
And, and I, I, I'm, I'm still, I'm still trying to figure out
how do I, how do I play that? This track has been a little bit
interesting. One thing that you you will see
on FFPC more often than Underdog, for example, is Bijan
and Breece will go much earlier. They don't know they don't know
are even normally go to tree and four and but they do go a lot
earlier and then yeah, you do you, you you got this this it's
only it it's honestly unusual just to see that straight one of
riders wide receivers. This is the type of thing like
A.J. Brown over Justin Jefferson,
that you really like. Never see an underdog underdog
people follow the ADPI Think it's partially because people
are drafting so much volume that it doesn't like feel great to.
Make those sense? Yeah, you, you're just like I'll
get I'll get my Andrew Brown when I get him.
But it's kind of fun how on FFPC and just like in main events
with people like doing like there's more of a get your guy
mentality, which is. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
People have that like kind of like aggressive mentality, like
I, I, I, I, I've thought about this.
I've done my research. This is how I'm going to get.
Exactly. Yeah.
What what I'm curious about is in this room, what the receivers
look like in like the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th kind of range,
because that has been a a real like sweet spot for receivers
based on looking at the AD. PS But you know, I don't know if
it'll follow that with this, with this room or not.
Yeah. And I think that I think with
the way tight ends go, you definitely will still get some
value. And there's probably enough
people that have guys that the the order of the wide receiver
can be choppy enough that I think I think at least true five
we're going to be we're going to be interested in the receivers.
All right. So we do not get the opportunity
to reach on Andrews. And so the then, then, then the
question is here, do we just reach on pits and and take our
medicine or I, I, I who who else is in the is on, on the Oh, I
can't hear you. Oh, you're, you're Pat, you're
muted. You just said.
Olave Lave, Nico Collins, Devonte Adams, those are kind of
the top guys. And then we could do pits, or it
would, right? So we, we can, we, we can just
do pits here or say Olave here and and then and then see what
happens. I think I might be Nico over
Olave. OK, he'll often go in the like
the the the the 3rd and but OK. I just, I just took pits.
OK. You know OK what what can't you
get? You can't get a tight end you're
super excited about in a third. So we'll see.
We'll we'll let the one I. I think you're that that makes
sense. Then if, if you were like, oh,
actually, I'd rather Nico. I'm pretty sure Nico is gonna or
or somebody like Nico's. Yeah, we'll get a receive what I
like, But the running back, I wanted a Chan, I wanted Andrews,
so to not have a running back there, that hurt.
So he was so one of Nico or lab will be there.
Right. I like Olabe, but I just been
like getting pretty nervous about the Saints offense.
It's been a lot of Bosnos, hasn't it?
Yeah, All right. I think Nico.
Yep, makes makes sense. Yeah.
So Nico is kind of a mainstay in the second round on Underdog,
right? Yeah.
He he, I, I, I've gotten him in like the mid third like where
he'll just have like random slides.
Wow, that's I mean, I kind of get it because it's like it's
going to be difficult. But I mean in in basketball,
like man, like we know we're going to get big games out of
some of these receivers. You know, like we don't know
which one of the week, but this they were running way too much
on 1st down Last year. They had a rookie quarterback
and it was still you're getting these big spikes.
So I think second year Stroud, they have more faith in him.
In some ways, Digs helps. Like he, you know, he'll, he
makes the offense more powerful. Right.
Obviously the week to week consistency if the.
If Dave wasn't there, those two guys would probably go with like
the 1-2 turn or something crazy. Or yeah, Saints with with
Kubiak, I I was kind of into the Saints with Kubiak narrative,
but like they still have Dennis Allen.
Yeah, yeah, Dennis Allen is kind of.
So you have the coaching yin and Yang here.
And then their offensive line is really bad.
So I I don't know, I'm getting like a little bit nervous about
the Saints. On the other hand, I could see
the moving a lot of around the formation and being a little bit
more creative with him. So and Olave is really good.
So I don't want to be, I don't want to be out on Olave, but I'm
glad, I'm glad I took pits and then let the one hold the side.
Which receiver? Right.
And and I think we would have I I don't know about you, but
Tyron would have been pretty fun too.
Yeah. And in a way more open a Kyron
on FFPC just cause like running backs go so quickly and so
impressively that like, just like there's, there's like less
opportunity cost of receiver cause because the people treat
the running backs that way, you can get receivers.
Right. And, and, and it's still, it's
still, we'll see if this, this holds true for this draft, but
for most FFPC drafts, like a lot of the times, the best pick is a
wide receiver, right? So having having a non wide
receiver pick early that you liked kind of like frees up
those spots. Right, Yeah, that's true.
That's we we did our first main event and we went Bruce Hall,
Travis Kelsey, then Jalen Waddle, Stefan Diggs, Mahomes
and then then we ripped receiver with Keenan Allen, JSN Roma
Doonese, Brian Thomas. Right.
I, I, I you just can't. You can't do that on there.
No, no, that's, that's the wild thing.
I mean, they're like, yes, I will take two fifth round picks
and then I'll take two sixth round picks like it's got and
it's all happening the 6th or later.
It's kind of wild. So.
It's one thing that's interesting here.
So obviously we've had a six tight ends go in the in the
second round. We we took the 6th one whip I
think pretty good justification and and then Evan Ingram goes
pretty shortly there afterwards. I do get the feeling that this
could be like a yeah, the type of draft where the tight ends go
off. Yeah, I'll be curious to see if
people like kind of keep going after the tight ends or people
forget I've got, I've got my lead, I'm good.
What are your thoughts on like when you have an elite?
When are you looking to add your tight end to in this format?
It's because you have the two flexes like I'll, I'll take
tree. I've I've done drafts.
The last draft I did with Grech, we took tree.
Yeah, tight ends, we took McBride, we took Kittle, we took
barriers. Oh wow, that's like 3 good tight
ends, right? Yeah.
And The thing is like those are all you can take them as
starting players because once once you're onto your third
receiver, like that's a flex spot, there's only one more wide
receiver spot than there is tight end spot.
Right. So that it like and especially
with how gross tight end gets like that's AII think that's a
really like strong way to do it where like you don't have to
touch anybody else if you don't want to.
And then what what'll end up happening is the the room just
starts reaching more and more aggressively for the gross guys
and you've got the other position slide to you and I've
seen that happen. All right, that's intriguing.
And like, where does where do Kittle and Bauer send to go
here? Like pretty.
So I think I'm pretty sure 4-5 turn is kill.
Yeah. And then and Barrows will be 5-6
turn. Right, right.
OK. So the receivers are starting to
go. Like, I was pretty interested in
any of these guys if they were to make it back.
Yeah. Let's see a wide receiver.
Pittman, DJ Moore, Stefan Diggs. I mean DJ Moore, Stefan Diggs
save Flowers are all pretty interesting.
Tank Dell. Yeah, those those are kind of
like did the mainstay and sort of fight or say, yeah, four or
five turn sort of receivers. Yeah.
And then the running backs like Pacheco, Jacobs White, they're
kind of, I mean, Pacheco would be a huge faller to get to me.
Yeah. And then Jacobs White, James
Cook, Joe Mixon kind of all go on this this turn as well.
What are your, what are your thoughts on those?
It's like, you know, kind of buying flexibility to keep
tracking receivers basically. And so I'm I'm pretty light on
on all of those guys just because it does feel pretty like
like very, very often Stefan Diggs is there at 4411 or around
there. And I'm just like kind of always
taking that. And then very often tank T
Higgins and, and and who else? Yeah, it's Anzay Flowers are
there are there on the on that turn.
And it's like, it's so hard for me to take those running backs
over those receivers. Yeah, me too.
I don't, I don't think it's time.
I mean, Pacheco in some ways is interesting just because like,
he's not usually here, but I mean, it's a.
Right. Yeah, taking taking the value
there can definitely be interesting.
I just did a pod today on legendary upside with Christian
homers and he was he was preaching taking the value as as
one of the his his big, his big tactics to to win these leagues.
So I mean. There goes Kittle.
I would have been super interested in Kittle.
Yeah, me too. This pick's kind of interesting
to see what what this draft. Right, is pretty interesting
because I don't want I don't want to say it like when they're
still on the clock, but you could have a really interesting.
Right. Really.
Interesting, if you know what I mean.
I do know what you mean. Honestly, there's a couple
different ways I don't know. I'm there's a couple.
I don't I, I feel like I'm going to feel good no matter what
happens here. Yeah, yeah, I I agree.
There's lots of great picks here they are take, they're taking.
They're taking a long time, yeah.
So normally I've often seen when people let the clock run out
like that, OK, they take the check off.
Yeah. So what do you think about, say,
flowers here? I was gonna say digs, but
flowers perfectly fine. So I think the one, the thing
about if you took digs here and then you took a tank like
because this is a pros versus Joe's draft, they almost have to
give you a Stroud. Yeah, I guess you're right.
I was thinking I could maybe get Lamar and the wrap here if I go
flowers. But that that's.
And then and then probably a double with digs or tank coming
back and then. Oh, if you, if you take, if you
take flowers. So Lamar here, you're not
getting either of those guys. You think?
Oh, you think He grabs both? 00 and you want Lamar here or
flowers. I I guess you got to pick.
You got to pick now. Yeah, I took, I took flower.
I'm saying I could maybe get Lamar on the raft.
OK. Oh, OK.
And I don't. I really.
Oh, OK. I got you.
I really don't think Lamar makes it.
I'm saying in the in the 5th, the five.
O2 Oh, in the fifth, OK, in the fifth.
OK, so this I'm so confused. I thought you were saying at
first I thought you were saying Flowers and Lamar and then tank
or digs and. No, no, no, I'm saying I'm
saying I could if I don't like I could play for I could get
flowers, play for Lamar if he snipes me on Lamar.
OK, Like basically Lamar digs or tank or ours is my next pick.
One of those three is on my next pick.
Gotcha, gotcha. And all of those are really good
picks for this team. Yeah, that, that makes sense for
sure. I kind of takes one of the
Texans if he takes a Texan, well, I guess I I don't care
anymore because I'm going to take Lamar and he's he just,
it's honestly, I was like, oh, I could take Pacheco and then
Mahomes, but he takes Mahomes on stacks.
So that probably wasn't happening.
Right. Yeah, One of the things that's
interesting about this turn is that it it really very often is
AM Texans, Baltimore sort of game stack because they all line
up here. And then when you when when that
happens so often and I want to do it.
Wow. Right.
So Lamar here is pretty fun. Yeah.
One, one of the things when that happens is like, how do you
like, what are the, what are the interesting ways to play it
because it's so easy to just build out like a fold on, on
stock there. Yeah.
And and so I'm, I am like, I don't want to overthink it, but
I'm often like thinking about like what, what are ways to like
build out variations of that? The We have we have lost in
translation here. Dracon the rap.
Yeah, I was. You were thinking I was talking
about the long term, but rap must be American terminology.
Yeah, we don't. We don't use the rap when when
we play basketball in our owns. That's.
Not a big baseball. Terminology.
We develop their own terminology.
Oh, man, so Henry said. You have not been watching the
other drafts. You don't.
They don't have to give you Stroud.
I I haven't. You're right, Henry.
So maybe. Well, they don't have to.
Yeah. Like they're like I I've done
plenty of drafts where like I dared to let Stride come back to
me. Sometimes.
Sometimes he does, sometimes he doesn't.
Yeah, people like fifth round digs.
I mean, that's pretty sweet pick.
I'm not going to argue that. I just I do like getting the
Lamar flower stack so but yeah, digs would have been nice too.
It makes me feel better that I didn't go digs because when you
go Nico digs, I think you really want Stroud like he's a pocket
passer. You just took like you get
sniped on on Stroud there. I think it it hurts.
Well, the only thing about it is that he's he's a somewhat
expensive pocket passer. So you can do like the DFS thing
where you're you're getting the passing game and then you're
replacing the quarterback points with a rusher.
That's true, yeah. That's the add to it.
Yeah, no, that's a good point. Yeah, I'm definitely, I'm open
to that. Although it's just like it's I
just, I don't know, I have this like when you told me they were
going to leave me Stroud. I had this image of a triple
stack and then getting sniped on Stroud and it hurt pretty bad.
I felt, I actually felt that pain.
I decided to. Move.
I mean, it hurts. It does hurt, yeah.
Especially like it goes one pick before you and.
Yeah, All right, so wide receivers flying off.
Man, that Pacheco fall was pretty wild.
Right. But you, you were asking about
how how good the wide receiver picks will feel into the fifth
round. There's time dial at 507.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That feels pretty good. And 5th round digs is pretty
awesome. Yeah.
So yeah, in some ways it's like maybe, maybe just hammer
receiver while while it's that loaded, I don't know, there's
like a sliding glass door scenario where I have like Olave
Adams and then I probably just take digs.
I was worried about Snipe. OK.
So let's see running back top of the the applet here is now James
Cook, then down to Camara Walker Jones, Connor.
So it feels like kind of about to be a tear break there.
Wide receiver Hollywood Terry, Chris Godwin, Keenan Allen, then
Ridley, Rishi Rice. So yeah, we hit a tear break, I
think. Yeah.
Then Tydens in Joku Bowers Goddard.
And then, then, then you're done.
Yeah. So kind of just hoping people
take players I don't want that's it's not like.
That that's most of my FFPC drafts like.
We're approaching to your breaks at like all the positions, so I
don't know what to. Report the The ADP means that
you normally get the players that you like, but provided that
other people take the players that you don't like.
James Cook player that I do like that would have been fun and
kind of a long shot for him to fall all the way back, right?
Any of the teams here that you're are jumping out to you?
10 looks pretty good. 10 looks pretty good.
Where like they've they've gone pretty wide receiver early.
They they do have pretty nice value there on neighbors.
They've got Kelsey they've and and like I, I, I don't, I don't
know this person, but I will say I have seen like drafts like
this where then then they just like dunk off on like eight
straight running backs. And this this is Mike and Adam
from Deep End pods so. OK, so they they know they're.
Yeah, they're, they're very familiar with with how to build,
build these. So we'll we'll see.
But. 1111 looks like an interesting start.
I think they're kind of suffering a tight end.
They have to take barriers here I in my opinion.
They don't have to Jericho, nobody has to.
But I mean in in many ways, none of these teams have to take.
That's true. And the most important reason is
I don't want them to. Yeah.
That is why actually, how do you mention it?
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, let's see we're down.
I think we're, I think a receiver that I like will
probably get back. I don't think they'll be a tight
end. I want running back, probably
not. This doesn't feel, I feel like
we're just back to receiver again.
Right, right. Yeah.
I, I, I don't, I don't want to throw stuff out there.
And and when there's so many picks between us, I will say I
was I was saving this for a late joining Pete, but I believe in
2021 your pros versus Joe's draft was where the I need a
hand job is that. Where that came from?
Yeah. I need a hand job.
Oh, here's Pete. Pete.
Just oh damn it, I shot my love too early.
Were you talking shit? He was.
No, I was just saying that I believe it was.
It was Pat's Pros versus Joe's draft in 2021 where the Anita
handjob originated. For that.
Anita. Anita Handjob.
OH. My God, where were we doing?
We were doing like a giveaway, right?
Yeah, and it was like, you got to put your name in into Adam
Smith. Yeah, and I haven't done a
giveaway since I've been so. Far I I do poison the well.
Yeah, somebody mentions hand job.
In here I do. That was right on cue.
How how we look it here? CD Pitts, Nico Zay, Lamar
Jackson. So what?
This is just a regular underdog. Draft for you, Yeah.
I'm just drafting off Underdog. Yeah, yeah, pretty good.
I'm gonna join it. Nice.
I think I'm looking receiver. Receiver here probably.
Yeah. Running backs are pretty dried
up, Bowers went. Man, tight ends, Yeah, it went
early in this one. Yeah.
Yeah, we were put under the gun a little bit on what are the
take call pits at 2:11. Yeah.
And Pat sort of made the call that we were going to love one
of the receivers anyway, so just take pits.
I still feel like Kittle's price stands out relative to that
blitz in the in round two, but it's hard to like there's no
chance he's coming back to you there.
Right, yeah, I considered. I, I, I, I, I would have been
very interested in Kittle if he made it back and, and, and his,
his ADP is that 4-5 turn. So he often does OK, but this is
this is a, yeah, a pretty aggressive draft for tight ends.
Yeah, and I mean, we saw it with mine, like the ADP was helpful,
but man, it, it does really get thrown out.
And especially with just the flex, you know, spots, you see a
lot of people being like, I'll go bully this, I'll go bully
that. And it's hard to to really
accurately predict who's going to fall in these pros versus
Joes. All right, so receivers here
that I'm thinking about Jaden Reeves here is if you're worthy,
DeAndre Hopkins, Ladd Mcconkey, Deonte Johnson, not necessarily
in that order. Christian Watson's in the mix
here looks like. What are you guys thoughts?
My two My two most often drafted in this spot would be Wordy and
Jayden Reed, but. And wordy probably doesn't come
back. No, no, no way.
Worthy. You probably should take him
first because the Mahomes drafter is behind you.
Right. Right.
Yeah, and Rice is gone. Yeah, that's a good call.
And Hollywood's gone too, so this guy is just like.
This is Davis Paddock and. I started to set it up, dude.
It's Daigle's in this draft, right?
Yeah. He's a 6/6.
What is Daigle doing? Chase London, Henry Hurts,
Pickens, Goddard, ETRS team? What is is isn't Worthy's ADP
though? Draco.
Isn't it pretty or a lot lower than this?
It's like more end of the 7th I think, but I don't I don't think
he got would would have gotten all the way back.
No. Yeah, 80 tree is the ADP.
OK, yeah, it's hard of the way we get on the turns.
Yeah, so he goes Watson. OK.
Just out of curiosity, who are the running backs available?
Let's see. Running back by ADP is Alvin
Kamara, Aaron Jones, James Conner or Madre Stevenson, David
Montgomery, Zamir White, Deandra Swift, Raheem Mostert.
So you're at the beginning of that tier, although it's going
to get chewed up. It's going to be chewed up.
I think I'm probably looking at like a couple running backs at
the 8-9 maybe and grab. I could grab another receiver
here to get to 5. Yeah, I think that's right.
I could go, but I don't know. I like like.
James Conner would be OK here I guess.
That was the only name that was in my head but.
Yeah, it's probably Connor or Reed or Hopkins.
What are your what are your thoughts, Trico?
I think, I think you just take Reed and then sort of give
yourself a lot of like leeway receiver because I, I, I could
see this being one of those drafts where the receivers that
normally go later, they just go, go, go.
Yeah, I could too. All right, I'm gonna take Reed.
I like that, yeah. I mean, this draft hasn't been,
I guess, 2 running back heavy. There's that one team that took
3 Gibbs, Jacobs mix in. I think you have a chance for a
couple of those guys to to come back around.
Yeah, that's the hope. Grab like 2 running backs there.
And yeah, I think I'm gonna feel pretty good actually, about the
running backs. I think you know what you know,
and I know Jericho's done way more of these than me, but even
in like the main and stuff, it's like the true zero RB or if you
do the zero RB and you're not grabbing elite onesies, it it
like it looks really bad to me. But if you do get that elite
tied in and that elite quarterback, then it it feels
good where you're just saying I'm going to beat you everywhere
except running back. I think it works.
Yeah. And then you're just like,
there's lots of profiles where you're like, I'm going to keep
pace with you at running back too.
Like, I'm not going to, you're not going to lap me at running
back. Right I, I, I, I feel a lot more
comfortable with my running back squads even on FFPC this year
than that than ever before. Yeah, running back I mean like
compared to our main event P like this is way less running
back heavy so far. So I feel I feel really good
about the read pick as you know, Hopkins JSN.
Right, I was just about to say that.
And like, you know, O Dunze isn't making them back like
those. Those are the those are the
types of picks that you will normally get at the at that 8-9
turn, but not here. Yeah, we got Brian Thomas in the
mid ninth of our main and I don't think that's this is that
kind of room. No, I mean partly it's not
'cause I would take him at nine O 2 with.
Man, if you flip that Evan Ingram pick to like Malik
neighbors, that's a really fun team like Tyree kill a Chan a
wide receiver there, then you get Kittle digs Rashi JSN.
Yeah. And if you flip that ever Ngram
pick to any other good tight end, it's.
Also, yeah, I mean, Ingram certainly benefits from the the
1 1/2 PPR, but I still, I'm still not a huge Ingram guy.
So, all right, so Daigle's got, I mean, it's almost, you know,
like Alvin Kamara, very projectable, very projectable.
You got to go through better for that.
Pete, what kind of keyboard are you curiously typing on over
there? Let's see, do you want the?
It's a document. Keyboard is it known known
industry wide for its noise. Wow.
It's actually a prop keyboard when you have.
To like, I wouldn't be surprised.
This is why I have to host streams because I get bullied
if. By the way, you, you, you had
those visions of the I'm Stroud at not making it back.
It's because. I'm on my wrong mic right now
and it's picking it up on my. Own.
My fucking other mic one second. Now Stroud I guess would have
made it back if. We right he made it all the way
to seven O 8 Yeah, when finally someone said, you know what I'll
take him. I'll take him on stacked.
Oh no, he had mixing. He had mixing up guy.
It counts. It counts.
Right. That's the, that's the issue
with Stroud though, is that you do have you got the mixing guy
and you probably only have two or the three right weapons, you
know, at most. So there's always someone
lurking like I'm kind of surprised the five hole didn't
take Stroud there over JSN, although I I get it.
JSN is really nice wider 04 There goes Rome 710 seven. 10.
This has been a good round for you though as far as non running
backs, although Montgomery comes off there.
No for sure, but it it's justified the 61172 wordy read.
Yeah. Picks because we we would have
hated hate of these wide receivers if we didn't do that.
You know, I completely agree that you kind of like you're
kind of done, which is like, OK, but I do feel more comfortable
with this. And Jaden Daniels, that's pretty
early for him. Oh wow.
OK, so three straight running backs out of the 11 after four
receivers. So we're starting to see some
green. Yeah.
Daniel's got the Mclaurin stack that's pretty fun.
Yeah, it's. Kind of interesting because he
had he had stack, he had the LaPorte potential stack at the
Baker, he had the Gino, he had the Watson.
So you could have seen that being like a late wait, why am I
up next? What is this?
Oh, we're up next to our main people.
I know, I just got that same notification too.
It's. Like what the hell?
We recorded a a mini sod right before or a little bit ago, so
we'll have that out. We're in the 16th round.
If you you YouTube members, I just posted one today.
We're through round seven in the posted ones.
So 4 backs in a row? Yeah, Henry points out.
Four backs in a row for the 11. Oh, come on, Mike.
Shope knew. He knew he wasn't coming back.
I know I I was when I I was with ducking through the ADP like I
knew you had a kind of lawn for Warren.
Well, you like Warren was when I'm like, I think I'll like the
backs. Like Warren's ADP is like 180 in
here, so I'm like, all right, he'll be there.
But yeah, that one stinks. There's still plenty of running
backs though, and. Then Barrow goes unstacked.
Yeah. This has been an odd draft for
for for QB value where Allen, Allen, Allen and Hertz they go
in the mid Fort. You very often see them go at
the tree 4th turn and then Burrow and Streg go late and
then Jayden Daniels goes about around earlier than normal.
It's not it's like, yeah, and and it's all sort of
discombobulated. So it is nice to get cuz like
the Kyler team doesn't have McBride or Harrison.
So yeah, it's nice just to get the the flowers single stack
with Lamar and and not have to worry about quarterback right
now. Right.
All right, so the deep end pod went 0 running back with Warren.
Where do you get your ideas? The seven holes, 0 running back
with Swift as the RV 15 holes going hero running back, I
guess. So yeah, 33 like true 0 running
back starts in this room. Yeah, and and wide receiver is
got really wiped out here too. So the hope is that you can kind
of capture the end of this tier in that you don't just have like
four straight running backs come off the board here.
Yeah. That is options.
Yeah, I think I'll have. I definitely have options for my
first pick. 'Cause you're, you're picking,
we're at pick 89 right now and by ADP you're looking at what,
like Addison 105 like you know, you're in the one fifteens until
even like the next wide receiver by ADP.
So Addison does come off the board, which is a nice pick for
you. Definitely helpful.
This. It's a bit of a fall for
Christian Watson. Oh no, Christian Watson went
612. Never mind.
Yeah, that would. I mean, it would have been quite
a fall all. Right.
So it's got to be Brooks, right? I think it's got to be Brooks.
Yeah, The other picks that you could get coming back are pretty
similar, I feel like, whereas Brooks, you can't really
replicate. Yeah, OK.
So that that that that feels pretty nice, right, yes, true
zero or B elite onesies and then Brooks, who I know this, this is
this is a league format, so the the back end points don't matter
as much. No, but it's still pretty nice.
Yeah, I, I, I was really hoping Brooks or Warren would be there.
Those were like the two guys. So Zamir was the other guy I did
think about because he was the big pulp followed by ADP.
He's likely to come back, but I don't think Brooks comes back.
So I just, I was like thinking like, why risk it?
Because I rather, I want Brooks, like I'd rather have Brooks.
So, but I mean White's a decent, I mean a pretty nice value
there. So Titans pretty wiped out.
DAC is here is like but it's kind of too early for
quarterback too. Yeah.
Thoughts on the right So by ADP, it's Zach Moss, Tony Pollard,
Brian Robinson, Taiji Spears, Austin Echo, Devante Williams,
Devin Singletary, Chase Brown by ADP.
Pollard goes. What do you guys thoughts on on
these running backs? I still like the Moss stuff,
but. I think I'm Robinson.
You guys are fine. I think I'm still Brian
Robinson. I'm I'm very Brian Robinson.
Schultz is there too. That's true, yeah.
I think by the. Time I think you get background.
Yeah, I think when I go Robinson, he's he's kind of one
of my guys. Chase Brown's actually someone I
would consider because I don't think he comes back, but.
Yeah, Rob Robinson and and Brooks are a nice pairing.
Yeah, they are all right. I mean, structurally this feels
pretty good. Yeah.
Well, because yeah, you were able to to grab the sweet spot
of the Zero RB tier there. Yeah.
Chase Brown immediately goes. Yeah, but I mean.
He just went over and he should Moss.
He should, he said. He's right.
Appears to be ahead of Moss, So why wouldn't he go ahead of him?
Yeah. I mean, Robinson's like, not the
best PPR play, but I think, you know, I, I mentioned this
earlier today, but like, the contract for Moss is pretty
similar to the contract for Austin Eckler.
And I think like both like Robinson and Brown are probably
the clear 1A's, at least it's looking that way.
But I feel more confident that that's the case for Robinson.
And we've seen him be pretty solid.
He's like a very solid rusher. So I don't know.
I have a weird, I have a weird obsession with Brian Robinson,
so. Do you think, Dad, do you think
they'll flip? Do you think Jace Brown will
flip Moss in ADP? Yeah, I do.
I think when underdog, it's going to take a while because
the AD PS tend to move somewhat slowly and there's not like a
fast puppy going right now. So I'm going to just like load
the volume in. But I do think he flips them.
And and and he should, he should that that's just.
I think so, yeah. If he's ahead, why wouldn't we
take I? I there have been some people
saying, well, you know, Zach Moss, he's the pass blocker and
then he's bigger so he's going to get the, the Russian carries.
I believe that's called Co pedrico.
No, they, the the report did say that the that they like Chase
Brown. It it basically seemed like
Chase Brown was going to be like the lead.
It it felt, I think I, I don't know if I mentioned this on the
stream. It felt kind of like the James
Cook stuff where they want to use him almost like is there
between the 20s guys giving him the first crack, the early down
stuff, but still maybe turning to Moss for the third down and
and goal line stuff. That's an interesting comp, but
also, you know, if you're getting the Bengals, James Cook.
Oh, you'd be thrilled with the James Cook season for this price
on Chase Brown. Yeah, it'd be a smash.
And and and it shows too, like what James Cook had a 40 burger
in there down the stretch, which reflects the kind of like high
end outcomes you could get from Chase just running loose.
And and the the 1st, the 1st 2 down row for the Bengals is
really valuable as well because they still throw a lot on 1st
and 2nd down and they pass it backs a lot.
And isn't that just sharp though from a coaching staff?
Isn't isn't Zach Moss gonna get you in a ton of 2nd and 3rd and
longs? Like get your better rusher out
there early to get you more yards per carry and then make
things easier on the offense. I think so, yeah.
So man, now I'm kind of wishing I just took him.
That's what we did. That's about breakfast today.
Yeah, it does. It does feel like he definitely
belongs in this group exactly where it's sort of difficult
because it's like kind of is it like because we're now excited
about Brown, it's like, oh, wait, he's the starter, we
should take him. But I mean, we're taking Moss
ahead of these guys. So.
So maybe, maybe Brown should be going ahead of them, too.
I wonder what kind of you know, it it, it's funny I saying like
the James Cook comp because he was one of the bigger risers
last year around this time. Like I remember on Best Ball,
you know, he was routinely kind of like what 90s I want to say,
and then like rocketed up like 2 1/2 rounds there.
Yeah, he he went into the sixth round right.
Yeah, I think from the big Dante were big risers.
Yeah. I could see Chase.
I mean, he's going to ultimately be cat.
Like I don't think Chase is ever going to flip like a Joe Mixon
type. No, no.
But he he, he could flip a Kenneth Walker type.
He definitely could, yeah. Yeah, or David Montgomery.
Yeah, I mean he. He goes after Kenneth Walker,
but just trying to. No, but still I mean, but that I
mean that puts him in striking distance of like Joe Mixon,
Rashad White. Yeah.
So yeah, should have just should have just done it it.
That is one of the hardest sayings when like you got these
big risers, you know you're in a room where he's going to go
earlier than he normally does. It's like when when do you pull
the trigger because. Like where do you where do you
actually value him? Is kind of the question, which I
probably do. I probably, yeah, probably makes
sense to take him over Robinson, to be honest.
All right. Tight ends, we're down to
Hawkinson, Musgrave, Conklin, Hunter, Henry, wide receiver
Lockett, Shaheed Cooks, Palmer, Shakur, Dobbs, running back
Echoler, Benson, Quorum, Chubb, Ford, Gus, Zeke, Charbonnet,
quarterback Brock Goff, Lawrence to Herbert.
Still feels like running back range.
Yeah, I agree. Yeah, we have this.
We have this decision here. There's a guy that we took in
our main that I'm going to want to take, I think.
Man, getting spoilers. On the boat.
Shows. Where, how, how many of the
minis have we released? Only through I just posted round
six and seven. OK, so then we have the next
one's a big one. It was that rounds 8 through 12
one. I'll post that tomorrow,
Wednesday, OK? Yeah, I'm thinking don't really
need to go to receiver here. These are all like guys who you
take when you are behind. Right.
This is a pretty big fall for for Hawkinson.
I think he should fall in in a league rather than a tournament
setting, right? But it is a pretty big fall.
That's a good point. Yeah, his ADP is one O 3 on in
the app. Yeah, that, that that's what I'm
showing as well. I'd be what do you think about
him as a scoop, the Faller type of play?
I, yeah, I, I I've been into it just because Titan has been so
gross. Yeah, I mean, Hunter Henry just
went off the board. Commence off.
Shaltz is off. Only other guy yeah is is Luke
Musgrave. I have been like taking Musgrave
over Hawkinson on 100. Dollars.
I was going to say Musgrave's my line where I'm like, give me
Musgrave over Hawkinson and then we'll talk.
Yeah. I I, I, I agree.
I agree. I I, I hoped marriage really
hoped that by bringing up Hawkinson that someone would
take. Thanks man, not.
Abort the bit this. Early man.
Hold the line. Oh, dude, Charbonnet.
I want it. That's that's the, yeah.
It's floating. That one hurts.
His ADP is like 1/28 I thought. I thought he would get back for
sure. Damn.
All right. Palmer goes all right.
Running backs by ADP, Trey Benson, Blake Quorum, Nick
Chubb, Jerome Ford, Gus Edwards, Zeke.
Benson's not a bad dart at this point.
Are you Benson over quorum? Oh, I didn't realize that you
said quorum there too. I mean, I would let's see on
this team. Is there anything, I mean, I
guess the only thing you run into, I guess both of those guys
have very little standalone value.
So I don't know if they're those seem like a toss up to me.
Yeah, I think I'm, I think I'm Quorum, but they're both just
pure handcuffs. Yeah, maybe.
I don't know. That's tough.
I mean, honest to God, Zeke does have some appeal as a Zeke's
here, Yeah. Yeah, I mean, did you see the
the everything people are freaking out about the Steven
Jones quote I did about Rico? Yeah, so Musgraves go goes.
What do you think about just grabbing Hawk and then taking
one of the running backs with Come Back?
Yeah, I don't know, I feel like your team needs more running
backs than it does. The Titan 2's not going to play
for like 10 weeks. I'm going to grab Zeke, just
just bank some touches. Yeah.
And then grab one of these handcuffs.
Right, that makes you feel better about grabbing one of
the. Yeah.
Now you have the now you have the B Rob Elliott to buoy you
until Brooks and. Right.
Ready to go? Exactly.
Yeah, and this drafter has Chiron, so a good shot that they
were going to always let Quorum come by as well.
Yeah, good point. Yeah, I'm kind of torn on QUORUM
versus Benson. You know, I really really wish
that it was 32nd clock instead of.
The 62nd any any thoughts on corn versus Benson Draco?
I kind of, I kind of prefer Benson.
Like I, I, I, I think that some of the corn stuff is
overreaction to the Chiron like stuff last year, whereas like
that was an again outlier hit and somebody on that profile is
bit shaker to actually be good. Yeah, I mean, James Connor is
not, I don't think ever played a full season.
So there's, you know, he's older.
Karen's undersized though. So I guess just it's sort of
tough to price because it's they're both so contingent.
But I I did like Benson better as a prospect, so I guess I'll
go home. Yeah, that was the thing I've
been thinking about, I guess. Yeah, what you just said of like
everyone was way more excited about Benson as a prospect.
He was the 2nd running back off the board.
And yes, it's disappointing that the news has kind of moved in an
unfavorable direction cause everyone's kind of hoping for a
little stand alone value saying, hey, he's gonna be sharing this
backfield with Connor. That would be pretty exciting.
We didn't get that. So it's like, all right,
reassess. But it's still if you're still
breaking ties between 2 handcuffs and they're both
pretty clean handcuff spots, you know, for Connor, for Kyra and
Bellcal upside the Arizona offense, I get the enthusiasm.
I mean, McVeigh with a single back, I mean, he he rides them
And so that potential's there. But like, Benson could get rode
in a a really good offense too. Yeah.
And I think, I don't know, he's just, he's a more explosive,
he's a more exciting profile like Korum was.
I mean, Korum kind of has the Chiron profile.
So then he lands as like the backup to, to Chiron, which is
pretty exciting. But just like you know it, it's
sort of. Reliable work.
I know Kyron is good, but is that a good profile?
Like not really. It was always a bad profile,
right? Well, it's like that.
It's sort of the, it's Josh Jacobsian, you know, and it's
like you're, you're going to, it's like chunk runner.
It's, you know, consistent. But I thought Josh Jacobs was
like athletic I. Mean he's yeah, no, that's true.
But I guess I mean in terms of like the production and like
what the way you you went on the phone, it's like it's like you
break tackles, but you don't necessarily rip off a ton of
long runs. David Montgomery esque, I guess
you know. Right.
If you give that profile enough work, we're in business.
Right, that that makes sense. I guess the one thing I mean
what the other thing that was spooking people about Benson
were the mentions of Michael Carter.
I guess is there slightly more committee risk in Arizona than
there is in Los Angeles with an injury to the starter?
Yeah, yeah, I think it's cleaner in LA.
Kyron goes down and but I there's some Benson I think has
more upside to like emerge down the stretch and start like
forcing the issue and creating a role for himself.
Korum's drawn dead to that if Kyron just does what he did
last. Year exactly.
So I think that's yeah, Benson. And then I like the profile
better. So given that set up and then I
get the better profile, Yeah. But it was I was.
That was a tough decision. Probably a decision lots of
people are going to have this month because I I imagine their
their AD PS are going to be like neck and neck.
Yeah, I agree. Hawkinson's still on the board.
You didn't really have, I mean in this format the there isn't
really much of the the late season correlation to also kind
of help break those ties. You didn't have any Arizona or
Los Angeles players. Right.
Right, You, you, you don't like, you don't back wave the points.
It's just the point you get or the point you get.
Yep. So Hawkinson does finally go
into the 11th to the Colcomat drafter takes a second tight
end. Yeah.
You know, Pat, I think that that team would look really nice with
Brock. Barros on it.
Which team? The the 11, the one I said they
have to take Brock Barros. Oh, yeah.
And then one pick later, he went.
I was just, you know, I was only disagreeing with you because I
won't. But yeah, I I I like that team
better with Brock Barris as well.
Let's see all right, quarterbacks starting to go off
here. Not really a major concern.
Tight end is down. No, a fant chig.
So tight end is getting pretty wiped out.
Right. Wide receivers Dobbs, Mike
Williams, Judy Wicks, Dotson, Mooney, Gabe.
One of the one of the interesting challenges of of
dropping this year on FFPC is like normally the the like the
Russert construction explorer says, yes, take four tight ends,
but then once you get past like Dallas Goddard, it's like.
Do I? Do I have to take?
Hey, RCE, are you seeing what I'm seeing?
Yeah. That's definitely been a big
challenge this year where my my tight end rooms have definitely
been lighter than than last year for sure.
Yeah. But it's you still, it's still
like you're trying to find a way to build in some kind of like
upside there. Trico, do you want to address
the allegations that you just let Pat both those Zeke pick
through without much resistance? You know, it's your team.
I. It is true.
It is his team. If I, if I, if I had 62 1/2
dollars on the line, yeah, I, I would win kicking and screaming,
I told. 62. I told Christian our our main
event today, Pete on the on the pod.
I did. And he was he he was like, well,
yeah, Mahomes. Mahomes was a good pick.
That was the wait. Who is this guest?
Christian Helmers, he's a, he's a horse, horse racing Better and
FFPC player. We met him in Vegas last year,
right? Maybe two years ago.
No, he, he was at, he was at Vegas for the last two years.
OK, wait, is he the guy whose Twitter account account is like
maiden voyage or something? No, he's raw or die.
OK, then I don't know. There's another ship chasing fan
that's a horse handicapper. He's always in my idea of giving
me horse racing picks. I never respond.
I do appreciate you man, but I just don't know what to do with
it. I wish I was kidding.
What a world. Is Kirk on the menu for you?
Yeah, I think so. Given this run at at
quarterback, that's probably a good idea.
Yeah. Yeah, Tight end, I think
quarterback, yeah, I think that would make a lot of sense.
It I would say. Oh, there goes Kirk.
Oh. Fuck I mushed it.
I've also drafter. The drafter behind you is
probably pretty interested in a tight end.
Like if you did want to do like a fan, you might need to do that
here. What about Gus Edwards?
You guys have any interest in him?
Crickets. No.
Helps bring Brooks along. Just take JK Dobbins and if you
want to do that but. Yeah, that's on the table.
Yeah, fair enough. Isaiah.
Likely a guy here I could take with Lamar.
You guys fancy? Feels gross.
Yeah, that feels gross. All right, then I think the
grossness of that leads me to a different pick.
Let's see what this guy does. All right, so he goes Gus.
I think Noah Fan is probably the right pick here.
Is Todd Chandler still on the board?
He is. Wow, yeah.
This guy's what, 3 running backs?
Promise He's probably going to take running back in at tight
end. I don't know.
Right. Ty Chandler is a pretty nice
pick, I think I might do that. Yeah, I guess you have slightly
more ADP cover with with fan. Yeah.
Yeah, I feel like a Ferguson team is feeling pretty naked at
tight end right now, right? There is hot in this cover.
It's like, who do you prefer? It's a choice.
I'm. Going to take Chandler.
I actually like Ty Chandler a lot.
Because I, I, I feel like whoever you fed into the board,
into him, he, he, he was going to take.
I don't know what like. Chandler to me is a very similar
pick to Marshall and Lloyd. I'd much rather have him than
Jalen Wright. I'd much rather than Jerome
Ford. So.
Julian McLaughlin. Yeah.
Like I think he has some standalone value and obviously
contingent value. So that's a nice little value
scoop there. And I can be done at running
back if I want at this point. Right.
You're pretty comfy out out right back here.
Yeah. Also if I were to have to go
Otten as a tight ends, that would open up Baker and if I
grab Fan that opens up Gino. Wow.
So he grabs Herbert. With lads.
That makes sense. It doesn't make sense.
Let's see quarterbacks left to Sean Rogers Baker.
Did DAG end up going unstacked? Interesting.
A lot. Of quarterbacks going unstacked.
Yeah, people are taking it being a league just as permission to
like, oh, I don't need, I don't need the tournament correlation.
Oh yeah, there you go. And comes back get them both.
Maybe you would have gotten them whatever direction.
Yeah, I'd probably all right. I think that's a nice turn for
you. You too.
That's great. Yeah, because man, fant it like
and if you don't take a tight in there, I mean you're really at
the dumpster diving. Right.
If Fant like goes pretty close to the same on Underdog and
FFPC, it's kind of wild. I think partly that people on
Underdog are really excited about Fan, but he does feel like
a value over here. Yeah, the the one owner player I
would have suggested. I think Fan was the right pick,
but Josh Downs. That's a good one, but he's but
he's been gone for a few rounds. Yeah, I I have the spreadsheet
where I like post the pics into that will tell me who's last and
I'm I'm feeling pretty naked without right now.
No, I was like, damn, I'm kind of mad.
I didn't even think about him. I will give a shout out to the
road of his command center. It's another.
Oh yeah. You can just you just type in
your FFPC e-mail or username and then it'll show you the boards.
ADP Rotoviz ranks your current roster.
It's helpful if you're trying to keep track.
It has our main in there, but it didn't pull in my.
You well you were in the redraft command center, so they have a
separate best ball FFPC command center.
Did not know that. Yeah.
Look at that. I'll drop the link in the chat
in case people are. That's beautiful.
FPC drafters have fant PTSD so our underdog drafters, they
don't. They've just been more.
Willing to wipe? That actually maybe, maybe it's
the narrative, because Noah Fant won Liam Amelie in Week 17, that
he gets to stay in the circle of trust.
Maybe that is what it is. I do remember he was on Sean on
column Sam 2nd place team OK FFPC doctors don't they don't
remember that. No.
What have you done for me lately?
So is is Vidal still like draftable at this 13 grand
price? I don't know.
I don't think so. I want him to be so bad, but I
don't. I don't know if he is.
This is these past 2 picks. The Rico Vidal is like do it.
They're like I don't hear any training Cam news about.
God, Steven Jones, man, oh SAC sacrilegious.
Did not seem particularly concerned about that quote as a
Cowboys fan. His opinion of Stephen Jones?
Not ultra high, so we'll see. But.
He he did basically say that like unless the coach is so on
the hot seat that they have to do what the owners say, like
they don't know what to talk about.
Yeah, I mean, the, the, the coaching staff stuff on Dow has
been pretty positive. It's just that the owner's son
doesn't seem to know who he is. That's that's not ideal.
Can you imagine being like one of the scouts?
Because he mentioned it was at the Scouts dinner.
And it's like, oh, and these guys, they can find it out and
they're like, yeah. Yeah, sure.
I do think it's probably like me like recapping my main event
team like drunk to someone. And I just I forgot to mention
our fifth round pick and it's like, yeah, we took a bunch of
wide receivers. I'm sorry, I forgot to mention
Keenan Allen. All right, Like just relaxed.
It doesn't mean that I don't think he's gonna have a good
year. Oh man, I love that.
I really hope that's what it is, Little.
Does Steven know when everyone on fantasy Twitter?
We're freaking out now. It's so funny, like seeing it
see, so I listen to the 32 beat reporters.
They have a podcast feed now and they had Jordan Rodrigue on and
she has to like couch everything she says and just like chill the
fuck out fantasy gamers. And because like everyone thinks
of her as the Oracle now. She was on top of Chiron, on top
of Puka. She's like had to preface.
OK, I'm gonna talk about Jordan Winnington.
He is not the next Puka Nakua. He is not like there were like
19 caveats and she's like but the team really likes him and
he's having a great camp but she's just like fantasy gamers.
Chilled the fuck out with what I'm about to say.
We won't. We won't, Jordan.
I'm like, who did you say? Yeah.
Whittington is that, is that what you said?
OK. Yeah, apparently already had a
22 out well, on the depth chart and charging for DeMarcus
Robinson's spot right now. Hell yeah, hell yeah.
She's like made some like cryptic references to Davis's
out Davis Allen's mental workload and I don't understand
exactly, but like in the rankings chat, I think it was
Kyle pulled like a bunch of like previous mentions of her talking
about mental workload and it was good.
It was like when someone's getting a big mental workload,
like I think Puka got a big mental workload.
So I'm like, is Davis Allen is is she telling us Davis Allen's
a starter? Is that what I'm anyway, Jordan,
tell us, tell us who's starting tight in this place?
Yeah, sure, Nick Chubb can squat 550 lbs, but what kind of mental
weights is he throwing up? Yeah, it was.
It's, I didn't know. I don't know how to interpret
it. It seems good though.
The wider saber's really flying off now, like maybe these are
normal rounds for them on underdog, but like you can
normally, you can normally easily get like to AD Mitchell
Douglas Polk at this 14-5 turn, 1415 turn.
Yeah. Yeah, I was hoping for some of
these dudes, Polkin in particular, that's this guy's
Mahomes and Herbert, I could really use a quarterback to
here. Yeah, but basically everyone and
the whole draft has at least two quarterbacks.
It looks like 11 just has two, but everyone else has got at
least two except me. You don't have any stack options
right with. Gino.
Gino with fan. Oh yeah.
Yeah, that that's, that's pretty good.
That's a nice ADP value too. Yeah, be careful here.
The JSN drafters, although they did love and Lawrence.
Where's the make half drafter? You want Lee get.
I was hoping for Lee get. I was actually thinking about
taking a get over Gino, push him around.
I also would say, Pat, if you want to go with a running back,
I'd probably do it. Considering this guy's team, I
don't think he'd take what? Do you guys think about one?
Guy I'd suggest here is Jonu. What about otten?
I have the Baker cause Baker's also here so I could go Geno or
Baker on the wrap. Sure, although I'd almost rather
have McMillan with with Baker if you're doing that.
Do you like Otten at all, Trico? Not really all.
Right. I'm just going to take Gina.
I don't know. Running back is like it's Eli
Roshan, Tracy Estimate, Herbert Allen Pierce.
I mean, I could definitely, definitely take a running back,
but I'm tempted by the tight ends.
So he goes on OK, like I could do.
I could see him going likely here.
I just a random guy unless I'm missing him.
I Gabe David. Oh no Gabe Davis did go.
This isn't refreshed on my screen.
Oh wow, with Mahomes he goes out in Mayfield.
OK. I might go likely at receiver.
It's Thielen, Robinson, Wilson, Johnston running back.
I think estimates kind of interesting, Mitchell.
Mims. Mims is kind of interesting.
Mims, yeah. Yeah, he is.
Do you take? Like take on FPC, Trico or.
No, I, I, I don't think he has that.
What about Bateman? And I'm not taking a lot of
Bateman. I'm my my late receiver has been
Devantes, but I don't think you need them here.
What about Jonu? You could do Jonu.
You could do, yeah. I actually like Jonah a lot.
I'll do, Jonah. There, now you're not like I
know it's it's it's not amazing tight ends, but you're you're
stuck from having to take multiple of the dumpster dive to
your yeah, like interior. You're done at tight end here.
Or actually, you could be done if you wanted.
Yeah, I don't know why it took you as much selling as it did to
get me on John, because I actually like John.
I, I brought him up on the, on the rankings call a couple weeks
ago and you're like, wow, like that, that's the best value
ever. That that price is just wrong.
Yeah, I don't know. Then it's taking you like 18.
But tonight, I don't know. It's been, I've been on a lot of
pods today. I'm not running all cylinders.
Yeah, I think I could be done at tight end with the with the
elite, right. Right, right.
I mean, you, you don't have to be.
And what you, you certainly like, you don't have to like,
gosh, I guess I have to take like Davis or something.
This one whole team, what do you guys like?
Holmes could just be anything else, right, With like Herbert
and Mayfield, I don't know. I mean, then you'd probably want
to go a third quarterback, but. Yeah, I, I don't know why, but
the, the third quarterback on FFBC when you've already gotten
2 expensive fish ones has been really popular.
Like the drafts have been quarterback heavy.
I thought tonight might be a little bit different just
because it is that like Joe's and pros thing.
But right, it's it, it, it's been very, very heavy.
So let's see Hertz just car that.
I mean, that makes a ton of sense.
Alan Stafford. Richardson, Caleb.
OK that that actually seems these all seem pretty logical.
Agree, it's just the one hole. Yeah.
I just think with her I mean the the Mayfield Otten is pretty
sweet but you don't need it I guess in a standalone league is
like what adds points and Mayfield Otten probably adds
points. Right.
Let's check in. So Daigle went Hunter, Henry,
Camara Harris, Moss, Quorum, his running backs Hertz and Derek
Carr's quarterbacks Gotter and Sanat.
That feels a little thin to me. It's it's thin.
It's thin. Like he's not like a bore.
Tight ends. Yeah, Gotter doesn't catch.
Like he's not a big volume guy. He's like a catch guy.
Right, he he'll put up some spike weeks.
For sure. Yeah, yeah.
OK. So tight ends getting white.
Hayden Hurst. Like, yeah, Hayden Hurst as
anything, right? Seriously.
Like Hayden Hurst might have like a 35% round participation.
So I'm feeling pretty good about the Johnny pick.
Roshan is a nice pick there. Yep.
Yeah, you're definitely, you're kind of in now swinging back to
wide receiver darts. Right, there are still some
running backs. There's a couple running backs I
like. Wide receivers by ADP, Michael
Wilson, Quentin Johnston, DeMarcus Robinson, Marvin Mims,
Rashad Bateman, Troy Franklin. Definitely some interesting
names done at quarterback.
Tie down, we're down to Jelani Woods, Colby Parkinson, Dawson,
Knox, Zach Ertz apparently is their red zone threat not not a
ton there. I think, I do think Dawson Knox
is pretty interesting late. Not, not, not at this pick, but
late where if he's gonna be someone who's like a 60% round
participation guy, unlike a standalone without an injury.
Wait, that's in in Titan premium like down in the deep end.
That's that's kind of interesting.
I agree. Like he he should go over Chick
and Hayden Hurst. Yeah, and both those guys, you
have serious rap participation issues and you don't play on the
bills. Right.
So I mean, like, yeah, Knox, Knox are like capping out at
what, 60 percent, 55% of the routes?
Without an injury. Without an injury, but you're
getting some goal line stuff, you're getting probably, you
know, some play action looks, you know in the end zone.
And then you're pumped in any games that Kincaid misses.
Yeah. Yeah, there's like very few
tight ends where if the starter gets injured like it's, it's
just this guy, this guy is going to command the routes.
Yeah, I mean, he's going in the comment range, right?
In the Schultz range or higher in the Friarmouth range.
Where? Where does Knox go if if Kincaid
just didn't exist? I think somewhere between
Friarmont and Schultz here. Yeah, there goes 9.
They could. They could tell that, like that
one, we were talking with conviction.
Well, it's a pretty good, I mean that that really helps Daigles
running or tight end, yeah. So Draco, do you think this is
just A2 quarterback room for Pat?
What's that? Do you think this is just A2
quarterback room for Pat? I, I think, I think you, you,
you have a license to take it to a quarterback, especially with
the 20 rounds. It depends.
It's kind of a luxury pick. Yeah, ask me.
There goes Mims. Yeah, there goes Woods.
What does this guy have? All right, so by ADP, Elijah
Mitchell is at the very top here.
Stuff's pretty bearish, man. They keep talking about Jordan
Mason a ton. I don't know if you've.
Seen that? I didn't see that.
That's not great. Bateman overcome some kind of
injury today, but it didn't sound that serious.
Anyone in the chat here about that?
I didn't. They did not.
All right, I'm going to take Bateman, I think.
What? About McMillan.
I mean it with the stack. I think Bateman is more
interesting. OK.
Mcmillan's definitely intriguing, though.
Estimate would have been. Estimate would be awesome.
Yeah, yeah. I was hoping he would get back.
Yeah, there's there's a decent amount of white fun wide
receiver options still. Yeah, there goes Eli Mitchell.
I mean, running back, like, if you like, don't have to force
Brooks, Robinson, Zeke, Benson, Chandler.
Probably one more late, but I don't know if this is the spot.
Right. I think you're going to hate the
wide receivers in 1920. Troy Franklin.
Yeah, McMillan. Franklin or McMillan?
Yeah, I'm also just tempted to take Drake May.
I'm sure you are. I think Mcmillan's probably the
best bet. Like I think this is going to be
a drop where it just runs out. Yeah, I'm going to take
McMillan. Like Legette went early, Burton
went early, Eddie Mitchell went early, Polk went early.
Like Pearsall went early, Mims went early, $1.00 went early.
Like it, it, it, it's going to get cleaned up.
Yeah, that's that's very good point.
That's a very good point. Franklin goes to the next pick.
We got a Broncos thing. I put he text on next so keep it
from my back. Yeah.
Unless this guy snipes something.
I'm surprised that, and I think I would have taught Franklin
would slide pretty hard. Like it takes a while for people
to react stuff like that sometimes, but yeah.
I think we're discovering that even in an industry tournament
like this that's drafting in July, that some of us are on
like a different level of news consumption.
Like. Like we, I assume, like
scrolling through like my Twitter feed, you know, with all
the beats and all this is just like what everyone's doing.
But that in Pat, opening up 32 athletic tabs, reading and
saying, oh, maybe everyone isn't doing that.
And then like this chord where everyone's just exchanging
different news bits. Yeah, yeah.
Is Discord becoming the the pre eminent fantasy football news
hive instead of Twitter? Is it?
Has it flipped? Reaction Hive panic.
Hive panic. Hive Where's the Where's the
panic hive now? Preeminent place to panic.
I want to see an ad for Discord. When I'm panicking about fantasy
football, I use Discord. Oh God, would you hear?
Steven Jones's talking said. I do like one thing.
I do agree it was a a rough tweet.
They're clearly, and again, now, now I'm just starting to notice
this with the Denver guys, but they're clearly this like
jockeying between them, right? Like Albright had the initial
push back to the Javonte Fudd and he's like the obituaries
were, you know, you know, far too premature.
Like there's clearly some animosity between these Denver
beat reporters. I do think it's probably worth
being a little bit, I don't know, looking for these guys
like being a slightly hyperbolic to make their point to like
stick it to the other guy's report because like, this is so
far from the truth. This is actually the reality
because I hate Cecil Lammy or. Like.
It is 'cause they are so like not allied with with stuff and
Albright seems to be kind of on an island with some of his takes
relative to the other guys. Well, the Javante stuff has been
bullish from Cecil Lammy. I mean he's he's an estimate
too, but he's he's been pretty into Javante.
I don't know is a seal and island with the Franklin stuff.
I actually haven't seen the other guys weigh in about the
Franklin stuff. He was getting asked
specifically about it today. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Those guys must think we're insane.
Like, like the like the way he was like, yeah, Troy Franklin,
like their 4th rounder. Yeah.
I mean, he's, he's on the team. Like what?
Why? It's like, oh, 'cause we're,
we're jamming him onto every draft.
Is that is that a good idea? Yeah, he's like, I don't really
know how to answer this. Like why are you asking me this
question? Yeah.
Javon Baker just Total Warshak test right now.
He's apparently playing with God.
What? The quote was insane.
Let me get it up. Good violence without pads.
Yeah, it was just it is poetry, man, but he's playing with the
third and fourth team is the is the disappointing little caveat
to that. Let me see.
Let me see if I can find it. Yeah, that is kind of like the
best news report you could have seen after.
It's like he's playing with the trees and forest but he's
fucking dominating. But then today he had this thing
where he, like, threw the ball up in the air after he caught a
pass. And people are like, you know,
or it's not people. Mayo was like, yeah, like,
that's a fumble. Like you can't do that.
He was like very pissed and, and also kind of, you know, kind.
Of. Yeah, real, a real football guy
attitude from Mayo, but I guess that shouldn't be surprising.
Here it is. Baker, it's worth repeating,
simply moves different from the rest of the receivers.
He boasts more bursts and sprints, almost with a non
contact form of violence. I just love that quote.
Yeah, I think Leonie had kind of a push back tweet tonight to all
of the kind of like rookie overreaction stuff.
How like in May and June, we're all just talking ourselves up.
You just play in the season, week seventeens, all that
matters, get the rookie breakouts, and then it's like
Josh Reynolds is running around ahead of Troy Franklin.
But also like Josh Reynolds isn't like it's not, it's not
Josh Reynolds. Well, that's.
Like, you could go read the New England beats.
They keep talking up Taekwon Thornton too.
Is anyone falling for that? Is anyone like drafting Taekwon
Thornton 'cause he's having a good camp?
Because trust me, brother, I've been there.
I have been there. The Ray Ray stuff and the
Rondale stuff is bad. Rondale running with the threes
does seem really bad. Like stuff like that.
He's not a rookie, so this just seems like he's with the threes.
All right. What?
What's leftover? Nothing.
Nothing in my queue. I haven't been paying any
attention at all. Luke Mccaffrey's still here?
May went. Yeah, he's pretty wise, man.
I'm I'm still saying this, what about Gabe Davis?
Oh wait, you didn't get Franklin.
Isn't he gone? Oh, Devon says Walker is pretty
good. Oh, did you say Gabe Davis,
Draco? Yeah.
It's a It's a name matching error in the road of his command
center. Oh, OK.
It. I'm like wow.
What a value. I did the same thing about four
rounds ago. He's like, he looks like a nice
value. I'm going to, I'm going to go
Tez Walker. Yeah, yeah.
That's good. All right, running backs left
are Clyde, Deonte, Foreman, Tank Bigsby.
I mean, honestly, Bigsby's a clear handcuff.
That's something. McCaffrey.
Luke McCaffrey. I think Luke Mccaffrey's still a
good pick here. Yeah.
Yeah, me too. Tight end is pretty wiped.
You know what? Let me see, Theo Johnson just
got back on the field. What do you guys think of him?
Never heard of him. So the they did say, hey, hey,
he's he's playing taking most of the snaps for the one he's all
over the field for like and and when you pick here is going to
be pretty 10 to make the field anyway.
So yeah, I didn't premium. I'm going to do it.
And like, the fact that he's a rookie, it's not even August
yet. And they're like, Oh yeah, he's
taking most of the snaps of the ones.
Yeah, that seems great. Yeah, no, having said that, it's
Danny Bellinger that he's icing, but.
Right, right. But still, he's a rookie, taking
most of the snaps of the one with the ones.
So now it's not doing that. Right, he's not.
He's taken most of the HVAC snaps with the ones.
Are there a lot of those? No.
Well, man, all right, let's see. What kind of gross ass running
back six can I add? Pretty much all the rookies are
gone. Yeah, this is pretty wiped out
wide receiver. Oh yeah, they're going to be.
No one really really gross. I keep clicking on the different
positions like thinking surely when I click this other
position. It'll just unhide the good
player. Thoughts on the running
backroom? Like do I, do I need to attack
on a a sixth year or? I think that's where you could
that would help the most. Because the wide receiver I
started with five, attacked on three more, so I'm pretty good.
I think, I think you, I think it's either a quarterback or a
running back. Yeah, big speed win.
Yeah, I agree. What about Is Miles Sanders
still available or is he gone? He's still here.
I can't believe it, but he's still here.
I mean, I'm, I'm only half joking.
Can he gain well? I honestly the the Jordan Mason
stuff has been pretty loud. Yeah, I haven't really seen
that. Where?
Where is that coming from? So today there's a quote from
Kyle Shannon, he said. I'd say nothing against Elijah.
There's been no fall off in Elijah at all.
But JP runs at a very high level and it there was the other
report that he's evolving into a complete running back.
He's improved so much since the first time I met him.
Just the way he's in the meetings, the way he's out of
the practice. I think he looks more complete
than he has been. He's always been able to do it.
It's just been consistency with him.
And I think you see now he's making things happen in the past
game, in the run game that are just consistent with it.
And they they were relying on him at times last year as their
RB2. I don't know.
I think he's kind of intriguing. Yeah, yeah, definitely,
definitely at this pick. Like, you know what if they're?
Stubborn and they use them a decent bit when when Brooks is
out, but it's kind of more of like a hand cucking bridge
situation. The other.
Potential play would be like a. Keaton Mitchell, Rasheen Ali, Go
with the, Go with the. Ravens bet.
I think I'd. Probably just go Ali just with
the, I mean the Mitchell stuff. In this format, right?
I mean, it could just be a few weeks at the end that you get
him. Justice Hill's also here, who?
I don't know. It's very.
Very, very boring. The other guy who I swear to God
is in my feed every day is. Jawar Jordan now man, every day
I see Jawar Jordan from Beats. Yeah, that's interesting.
I thought the Cam Akers signing was.
Kind of. Like.
Bearish for him, just as like another guy he has to beat out.
Yeah, this was earlier today, Texas.
Rookie running. Back toward Jordan has put.
Together several good practices. Has a real knack for catching
passes out of the backfield and a feel for the zone scheme from
his Louisville background. Also, Joe Mixon's dealing with a
hamstring issue, right? Now, so I think he's getting.
Some extra reps. That's fun.
Yeah. I haven't seen anything really
from Ali. That's, I think, a.
Few weeks ago I saw something kind of positive on him.
Like I think Royce goes, wow, that OK, I take back what I say
about people not being criminally.
Online they are. Well, that's Daigle.
We know Daigle's criminally. Online, Yeah, I just picturing
him and Silva at that. Wedding where he was wearing the
cowboy hat. Would he hear what Steven Jones
said? God these running back pics.
Are nasty, I know. What are Batman?
Ty Johnson. Yeah, I mean that's.
Kind of a. Interesting call.
We're like, at this point, it doesn't matter what part of the
season, you get the points. The other thing is do I mean it
would the. I guess there's nothing.
At quarterback, take your coat set.
Destroy the band that would. Be a pretty good bit.
Where did May go? I didn't see where he.
Went eighteen one. That's on the right side of the.
Board I I think you could is is foreman.
Still here? Did I miss this?
I think he's gone. No, he is here.
Yeah. Deonce.
Foreman So I mean that report where they were breaking down
the ESPN. Reporters, they're like,
foreman's going to have the cream hunt roll.
They're like he's going to be the goal line vulture the short
yardage back, like probably like one of the few guys that you're
actually. Guaranteed some nice high
valuable. Week 1 touches here.
Semantic P runs also here. Yeah, you could land somewhere I
I like. The the foreman call, though,
especially with Brooke, like he's like going to be most
productive early in the season. Yep, yeah, I'll do that.
He he, he. He shouldn't be.
Going after all these guys. All right, Deonte Foreman.
And there it is. It's in the books.
All right, so recap. CD Lamb, Kyle Pitts, Nico
Collins, Zay Flowers Stacked with Lamar Jackson, Savior
Worthy, Jaden Reed. So 5 receivers through the first
seven with elite onesies. 0 running back kicks off a run of
Jonathan Brooks, Brian Robinson, Ezekiel Elliott, Trey Benson, Ty
Chandler. Then I go, no offense, you know,
Smith. Get that?
Stack, Jonnu. Smith, Rashad Bateman, Jill
McMillan, Devonces Walker, Theo Johnson, Deonte Foreman to close
it out. It's pretty fun team.
Yeah, Yeah. I think maybe.
It would have been nice. If able to flip like Theo.
To a third quarterback stacked you know like if you're able to
get like Baker Oregon something in there, but otherwise I I like
how the the team shook out yeah being able to be.
Close to done at receiver and then pivot all the way to
running back. A really nice way to play it
yeah yeah and and what Drake what are your thoughts on like
going we get the. Elite tight end and then still
going 4 you like that in in FAQ yeah yeah because so it's.
One starting tight end, then it's two flexes, so it's like
you've got two starting. Receivers.
One starting tight end. And so when you think about it
that way, 4 isn't that many. Yeah, I mean the half point.
PPR is is pretty big. Like if you get one of these
guys right Yeah and and some random game where to get 8
catches for. 80 yards, like you're really happy to get that
in your flex. Yeah, love it.
Sweet dudes, all right? Think.
We think we can close it down. Anything to shout out before we
get out here? No, for the for the YouTube
members like I said. We got the Minnesota.
Rolling new episode today. We'll have another one Tuesday
or Wednesday. We're also going to do another
basically same format as this. It's just a playoff format, the
best ball tournament that Draco's drafted in a ton.
We're going to do one of those on Thursday.
Again, that's a sit and go. They don't have a time scheduled
for our exact Showtime at 3:00, but if you register at 3:00,
there's a very good chance you would get in our draft with us.
So if you've been enjoying the pros versus Joes or our draft
last week and want to get in the mix, we're going to do that.
And we're also going to have our full kind of main event draft
schedule. We can spoil one now.
We're going to be drafting a team with Draco and Sacrilegious
coming up here in a couple Thursdays, a main event team.
That's going to be very fun. I meant to tell you guys we did
get our draft slot. We got the two hole guys for
that, for that team. So that'll be fun.
Yeah, I think that's it. Also for the YouTube guys or
sorry the YouTube members, I dropped the link today in the
discord. I pinned it.
I need to post it on YouTube for the people who don't go in the
discord but our Co manager program details are available
there. We have some spots for people if
you guys want to draw draft a slow FFPC main event team with
us just kind of over discord DMS.
Or if you're going to be in Vegas, we have spots to draft
A-Team I believe on Friday. So yeah, check out the Discord
for all those announcements and I'll post them on the YouTube
members portal as well. What about you, Dricco?
Nah, nothing in the lab, I mean. We we haven't like formally.
Announced it, but you guys are going to be back.
For stat chasing in season, which we're excited about as
well. Yeah, yeah, that was really fun
and it was really cool that for. That show to develop outdid true
at the season so really excited to do that again and yeah it it
is getting close to August so I I I I guess I should start
posting yeah some articles on Rotaviz.
I I have, I have a couple of things that I've been doing
every year that all that, that all I'll I'll, I'll do the
repeat off Nice. Yeah.
I'm also working on posting some articles, so.
Look for look. For that on listener upside this
week, Daniel Razzle's also going to have an article out later
this week, early next, that I'm looking forward to a lot.
So yeah, check that out and thanks for watching.
We'll see you guys next week or later this week.
We'll see you then. Yeah, we'll see you Thursday.