All right, ship cast Thursday night.
We got Bill's box, we got Mike Shope swinging by in the second
quarter to talk bills. We got Steph Miller swinging by
at the start of the second-half to recap our high stakes teams
in week 8 waivers. And the big question can we keep
this pick EM Heater going? We hit our three leg core entry
last week and our five entry unlocking a $600.00 giveaway.
We'll be giving out $100 tonight if we can hit our core pick em
again ship cast with Pete, Ben and Pat.
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You. Can't handle the heat?
It looks like we're finally at this point, all right.
Are you guys feeling pressure to hit this pick em tonight or is
it like free rolling since we hit it last week?
It's. Free rolling.
We got free. Rolling.
Yeah. Yeah, great.
We hit last week. Yeah.
I mean, what do you expect you're gonna hit every single
week? We hit every.
Week come on. Variance and if we hit we hit
like a month we're. Just a month of losing.
Yeah, I'll pull this up. Our pick em entries tonight.
We're underway here in this game.
Looks like we got the Bills batting down at Baker Mayfield
pass to kick us off. Shout out to everyone in the
chat. That's how you do it, Lou.
Game on, mute ship on blast. This is why Lou is one of our
producers coming up with tag lines like that.
This is the real question though.
Chris wants to know if we hit the parlour, can Gretch send his
old house Taco Bell again? That was the I think you.
I think you should, dude. Like, it's just every week.
But yeah, I mean it's a tradition that Baker throw was
great. You just you just threw it at
his helmet. Like, I think he was
intentionally trying to just fire the ball up the guy's
helmet. I did say I was like, I can't
do, I can't do Taco Bell again tonight.
And then I said if we sweep our pickums and we hit the three
core and the five leg, I I will, I'll, I'll order Taco Bell at
the end that that's why I'm going.
To everyone. I'm going to have to send it to
them. I'm, I'm, I'm doing, I'm going
to do keto for a couple weeks. Again, I'm kind of mixing it up.
We got no, no buys this week. I had a rough time writing
signals last week because I'm going to, I'm going to.
Throw my body into a loop. Do it.
Go in, Akita. So I'm not drinking tonight.
Not going to be eating Taco Bell tonight, but maybe I'll just
send it to the old house. That'll be the way to do it.
You got two, man. You got 2 Baker had him wide
open. I'll try to get this pulled up
here in a second, but we do, as you can tell, have Mike Evans
higher than I believe it was 57 1/2 yards in our main pickup. 59
1/2 maybe we got it at 57 1/2 and I think it closed at 59 1/2.
OK, nice. All right, here we go.
The welcome AO 2/3 here shift chasing member.
There's like 3 people that chat that are just hoping I'll send
them Taco Bell, which it it might happen.
You never know where it's gonna end.
That's that's a better bin. That's a better bin.
Just the entire chat doxing themselves so that you could
send them Taco Bell. One random person just gets Taco
Bell. It doesn't have to be your
address I guess. Just put it put an address in
the chat. It's their neighbor and they run
over your neighbor to be a friend.
It could be a friend. That's a good litmus test.
If you're willing to dox your address publicly for free, Taco
Bell Gretch will probably oblige you.
I will. I mean, you should do that.
That's real commitment. That's commitment.
If we win, I'll send somebody Taco Bell tonight.
That sounds great. Yes.
All right. There we go.
And I will match. Yeah, I'll match.
But the rule is, the rule is I'm picking the order.
You don't get to tell me what to pick.
I'm picking you a Taco Bell order.
You're going to get a bunch of random shit.
It's already worried about getting a Taco salad here.
Don't. Worry.
I love this, Daniel says, Not going to lie.
Glad Liam wasn't the guest tonight.
Don't know if I could listen to another 40 minutes of Kincaid
hope. Well, spoiler lawyer, we're
going to be the ones coping about Dalton Kincaid tonight
because we needed to be clear 4 receptions.
Yeah, we like this little even number here.
We thought about the yards, 4 receptions on the dot.
You know, it's like if this, if he hits that exactly, we can
still win a two leg or a four leg.
They're calling that incomplete. Oh, almost to catch fumble.
Yeah. So our Main 4 entry here got it
pulled up on the screen for the viewers.
Mike Evans higher than 57 1/2 yards.
Josh Allen higher than 21.05 fantasy points.
Dalton Kincaid 4 receptions. The Kincaid one I believe closed
at 4 1/2 reception, so we got a little CLV there.
He's obviously was a usage monster last week with Dawson
knocks out, so that one felt good.
What were your guys's thoughts about these pickups we put in
here for the core? Well, real quick, Ben noted in
our chat that if we hit this with Dawson Knox or Dalton
Kincaid getting exactly 4 receptions, which would bump it
down to a two leg, we're still counting that as a as a hit.
And we'll give out the the $100 tonight, right?
That's what we agreed. Yeah, yes, yes.
Although I just would rather not even think about things like
pushes at this stage in the evening.
It's just all. Optimism.
Right. Well, I just want the chat to
understand you know the Ruden interest here you you got to
know all the insurance and outs. That is key.
No, this I, I, I one of the things I loved about last week
was the the pivot to the higher on on fantasy points.
In a couple spots where we like the guys, we talked through some
Allen stuff, completions passing 1st downs, but obviously like he
could he could run for like 5 first downs and then you're like
man, we're not getting the passing 1st downs.
We need to wound up on on on fantasy points for him.
I think it makes a lot of sense for somebody who gets there
multiple ways. I mean like you, you think
through it like we are. We're saying it's a good spot
for him, it's a good match up and we think he's going to have
a good game. It's kind of nice that you can
do fantasy points, right? Like, yeah, it is.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's a, it's a good way. Kind of Allen, like Allen, a
Russian game. Yeah.
Right. You know, Allen can get there in
a variety of ways. It's tough to just like there's
nothing about this match up that has me thinking like, oh, it's
this type of game for Allen. I think we'll have a good game.
That's what I think. So I like just being able to bet
that and you know make that the make that the pick em on the
Evans one he so there's only been two games all year.
He hasn't gone higher than this number of 57 and a half.
One was the game against the Saints he left early with the
hamstring and then the other was the game right after that where
he was had a limited practice. He didn't practice earlier in
the week and was kind of clearly still Hanford by it.
Those are the only two games he went.
He went lower than this. So I felt good about that.
And I know, Pat, you kind of liked the set up for the bucks
here versus the bill secondary too.
Yeah, I think they can attack deep here.
And also like Mike Evans role this year is just kind of
unreal. Like he's just getting peppered
with targets, awesome targets per Outruns backed up by 1st St.
targets backed up by Open Score, which was released this week and
he's been awesome there. I think the play calling is a
little bit different this year. It seems to be really like like
emphasizing Evans in a way that Byron left, which really didn't
like. We'd have these games where
Evans would just completely disappear.
He already got one target on that first drive like, you know
like they they're just like keeping him involved in a way
that I think is really nice. It's almost like more like A.J.
Brown this year like has become more of just like an every week
kind of guy and Evans is a little bit like that too.
So that that made me more comfortable.
You know when you're trying to string all these together you
you don't want to like necessarily add guys who were
like totally boom bust. But Evans, I think less so than.
Yeah, he's been in years past historically has been right, but
I think that was a great take you had.
We were looking through it. 8 plus targets in every game
except for the New Orleans one. Pete, you mentioned he was
banged up and that's Lattimore. Like he's always struggled with
Lattimore in the New England match up his whole career.
It's just been like the one team that's always kind of had Evan's
number for whatever reason. But every other game this year,
8 plus targets you mentioned he's gone over and basically
every other game as well. And who's?
Oh Shakir. That's something I just realized
right before this game started that no knocks and down to
Kincaid is 1 tight end. Like we're gonna get a lot more
11 personnel so the Shakir like Deontay Hardy types are gonna
have decent games here today. I actually sat Gabe Davis last
minute in a league for that reason.
Remember Hayden wings research on yards Pratt run showed that
with more receivers on the field it's harder to earn a lot of
targets. I actually think it's kind of
like a a a minor downgrade for Gabe Davis that they're gonna be
an 11 personnel and have like Deontay Hardy out there a lot
more than. Potentially a, you know, another
tight end out there blocking. I agree Knox isn't very good.
Like that's the thing like Knox is not good, doesn't earn
volume. So yeah, he doesn't earn volume.
I think it's it's good for Kincaid that Knox is out because
they weren't running like they still were playing Knox too
much. So Kincaid's route participation
would probably be like 65% with Knox and then it should be.
It might be 100%. He's the only active tight end.
It might be, yeah. It might be 100.
Yeah. So yeah.
So that's a huge boost for him, specifically, just being out
there. But Shakir's gonna be the dude,
yeah? He's, He's.
Running over. Dude yeah the on stat chasing
this week which you guys have to be checking out.
There was a lot more people tuning in live this week.
The YouTube members trying to get the the alpha from
sacrilegious who gave up a lot of the the goods that shipped
him the dog bowl seat last week on Tuesday night.
But he was talking about Mike Evans as it relates to kind of
his ADP in these weekly contests and basically saying it seems
like he just still has the stench of Baker Mayfield on him.
And you'll see him like every week in the battle Royale, like
a second to last round pick, last round pick where it's like
everyone knows it's Mike Evans and he's a baller and that
there's still this like lingering, Well, it's Baker,
it's the box like they saw. Why would I want to invest in
that? And yet his role and profile
still just rock solid. The other big thing is
Notradevius White like he tours ACLA few weeks ago.
The Bills have had a hard time with outside receivers since
then. There is not like a lockdown
cornerback situation here with Buffalo.
Like it's Mike Evans is better than anything, but the elite
cornerbacks in the in the league, right.
Like there are some guys I think that can play Evans pretty well.
But he's a a handful. If you're not a really, really
good corner and the Bills don't have that.
I mean they they activated Josh Norman who like.
Is like 40 like how old was he who was he who was like remember
that guy Josh he's a he's a a full blown remember that guy
activate him for this game I saw and I was like wow and then
there was something like he hasn't played for Buffalo since
2020 but I OK so he played a little bit though the two years
in between there But yeah I mean he's he only played two games
last year not yeah he's 36 years old I mean or he's going to be
36 in December he's. 35 in In a lot of days I'm really relieved
already and we didn't even really discuss James Cook
numbers, but I'm just so glad we didn't go there because the
Latavius Murray tilt tonight would have been It would have.
Been just would have been awful. Yeah.
Plus, like the Bills, like Josh Allen is awesome when playing
from ahead and they are a past first team and they're
aggressive and like, we're going to need the Bucks not to like
roll over, but. I do not mind the idea of them
being like up by a score or two for most of this game and having
Allen and and one of Allen's receivers, like, that's fine.
Yeah, if you pull up our our, our five leg, we kind of leaned
into that game script a little bit more, right?
So we we went with the under on Rashad White's rushing.
We went with the over on Baker's rushing.
Baker has hit that four or six games.
The Bills have allowed it in four of the last five and Tyrod
is one of the guys that they've played.
But. The others were like T Law,
Howell and then Mack Jones. Have are the four dudes that
have hit it against the Bills in the last five games.
I mean that's oh oh, another Shakur.
Shakur is our generation Stalton Kincaid.
The low a dot stuff. I keep thinking like that's
gotta give him tight end eligibility already.
Look at this guy. But Mayfield feels like a good
bet for that in and also probably won't be kneeling,
right? Like that's one of the issues
with these like 10 yard quarterback things.
You might get some kneels late in the game.
I know some people who had Hertz number last week in Sunday Night
Football. Was it where he had like 25 on
the dot, there was like some 25 plus, you know, parlays and he
lost four yards on the final three kneels of the game.
He finishes at 21 and it's like it's kind of brutal.
We won't. In in that script, presumably
have Baker kneel downs either and and they'll be throwing a
lot more potential for scrambles.
I think that all correlates really nicely.
Yeah. So just for the the other two
picks we have in the five leg, Greg Gretch mentioning the 9 1/2
rushing yards higher for Mayfield, we ended up getting
some CLV on that too. I think that closed at 10 1/2
and then Rashad White, we took the lower on his 45 1/2 rushing
yards. And partly because, Ben, I know
you are anticipating Chase Edmonds may be having a a bigger
role than people imagine. Yeah, I thought he should have
been a bigger a a more interesting pick up.
I I mean we'll we'll see what happens.
But in a in AI, I'm trying to think about the way to put this
'cause I don't think he's going to be like.
A league winner? But in a landscape where Emery
Demer caught out two weeks ago as like a short term play was a,
you know, a couple $100 waiver ad, it didn't make a lot of
sense to me that Edmunds wasn't like $100 average.
Bid this week like. I thought he should have been a
guy that people were in on. He got hurt in Week 2.
Rashad White had already had a really rough week one.
Edmunds was playing on the first drive.
Got hurt on that first drive the announcers were talking.
I I referenced this sometimes stealing signals but they do the
production meetings. The announcers were talking
during that little segment where Evans was on the field that the
team had told them that that they wanted to get Evans were
involved. I think they thought of him as
sort of their second back or to me I after week two I I surmised
that there were you know wrote that I thought that they were
going to maybe lean towards a little bit of a split there in
Week 2. But obviously Evans goes down.
So they did it and then they tried some stuff with Sean
Tucker. They tried some stuff with with
Keyshawn Vaughan. No one else has been able to
step up in this backfield. There's no competition.
I don't think Edmonds is like super amazing, but like, it's
probably the weakest running back group that he's returning
to that we've had for an NFL team in that I can remember at
like at one time. Like Keyshawn Vaughn is not it.
We've seen enough of him. Rashad White is pretty clearly
not it as a runner. He's been better as a receiver
this year. And Sean Tucker was a UDFA that
we all liked. But I think, like, part of the
reason like Sean had him on the Zero RB list is he didn't like
Rashad White. He didn't like, yeah, he was
betting against those guys. And Tucker hasn't been it
either. And there's a reason he didn't
get drafted. The NFL, you know, kind of told
us they they weren't really into this dude.
Chase Edmonds. Two of the last three years were
his best years of his career. It was the offseason before this
past 118 months ago. Where he signed the $6 million
guarantee deal with Miami, The NFL.
Obviously there was some, you know, maybe Miami just was
bidding against themselves. But it seems like there was some
market for him and flamed out there.
Got straight to the Broncos. Flamed out there.
But I feel like fantasy managers might think he's more dead than
the NFL does. He might get a little deference
from the Bucks. They might, in my opinion, have
been waiting for him to come back with how bad their running
game has been. Thinking he's going to give our
running game a little bit of a boost.
'Cause nothing else is. And they haven't even been
rumored to be adding anybody in the free agency market.
There's been famous people have talked about like maybe
Fournette will land back there, but I haven't heard anything
that's like the Bucks. I don't think he he has to be.
He has to be released from the Bucks.
I don't think there's any chance he could.
It's like the one team I don't think he'd go to.
Yeah, and I think. Have you heard anything about
other free agent backs to them? No.
So I think they've been kind of waiting for Edmunds as that guy,
like when he's ready to go, he'll be there and then this
week he. Full practice all week.
Not on the injury port. No designation going into this
game. It was his first chance to to be
eligible to be activated. He started his practice window
last week was ready to go. They activated him off IR
yesterday. I'm pretty sure they had until
today at like 4:00 PM Eastern to do that.
We've seen in the past the the day of the game activations off
IR. They were like no we're we're
you know he's ready to go on Wednesday.
These are all like little minor things, but I think there's a
chance that like. For a guy who in high stakes was
like didn't even get picked up in every league, he was a $1.00
pick up to like $10. I I saw him go for 50 in one
league, every other league. It was like really, really
cheap. It's just surprising to me.
I think he could literally walk into a like a 50% snap roll to
tonight. It'll it'll be interesting.
I I agree with you that he should have been more on
people's radar but it doesn't surprise me why people aren't
interested because it's like everyone has seen the Rashad
White and you're like what do you get when you're right on
who's the starting back in the in the bucks And I just don't
think people are excited about that in general.
So they're not hunting. Yeah, the the reason I've had
trouble getting There's two reasons that I've had trouble
getting excited and I kind of liked him.
You eventually sold me on him and we have him in a bunch of
spots now as like a cheap guy and especially as a as a take a
peek. That's the other really nice
thing about picking him up this week.
And honestly, one of the reasons that he shouldn't have been on
under the radar anywhere is that you can literally drop him in
high stakes leagues if he doesn't do anything tonight.
Like he should be 100% on tonight.
You know, maybe. Not, maybe not tomorrow.
It's like the best take a peek ever, 'cause we're going to get
get a sense of, you know, like like I was at one point kind of
chuckling with with you about like, you know, this.
This like the data points we're using to to get there.
But like it's to me it was funny because it's like it's Week 8
and like we're just like there's there's like not like you have
to go into like into the lab and try to figure out then if
there's some some signals that other people are missing here.
And like this could be one of those signals that like there's,
you know, they are interested in.
This guy taking over more of the rushing work and and we would
have already known that if he hadn't immediately gotten hurt
in week two. It's like it's really nice that
you're going to get a chance if you if you did grab him
yesterday to know to to get a a much better idea of how much
truth there is to that and then be able to move on for like no
loss especially since he was so cheap.
So that part about it I love, I think the.
The. A couple reasons I haven't been
able to get super excited is that the Bucks have the worst
run blocking line according to ESP, NS pass run block win rate.
So you got it's like what do you win when you win?
Questions for me there. And then came out this week, the
receiver metrics. Rashad White's actually running
back three in the receiver metric on ESPN behind Samavi P
Ryan and Christian McCaffrey. But he was pretty good last year
too, so Semaji P Rein. Is the top one.
Yes, Semaji P Rein's number one. Yeah, over the last two years
combined. Sean.
Payton, right, His RV six behind McCaffrey, Jalen Warren, My Boy,
Austin, Eckler, Semaji P Run again and Josh Jacobs.
So it's not like he runs a good receiving back.
He was for the he was a good receiving.
Back, Yeah, I think like he's. He's gonna have some kind of
role in the offense, so that's the other part of it too.
It's like Edmonds is probably capped at at, you know, I don't
know 55% of snaps or something, but the rushing work.
Is there for the same game. The continued upside, Yeah.
And he could he could just take the rushing role.
Like, why does this suck? And as I you know, I, I I laid
out my whole, like, tinfoil hat reading the tea leaves.
Oh, he's in. I was gonna say that.
He has. Oh, no, it's Keyshawn Vaughn was
the 2nd back in. That sucks.
So yeah, it's probably not gonna happen.
Like the the I was just gonna say the second drive starter
Rashad White was still on the field and now Vaughn comes on as
the second back. So clearly, yeah.
I mean I was kind of nervous for these first couple drives 'cause
I also wrote him up today, was hoping to see him play by this
point. So yeah, not ideal.
I think it's in one thing, you know.
I feel like I've learned in maybe the RAM situation kind of
similar like. I still think Miles Gaskin is,
like, more talented than Darrell Henderson and probably brings
more to that offense right now than Henderson.
But that element of trust and familiarity, like, it's just so
clear that the coaches care about that a ton.
And, you know, same thing with Edmonds just getting called up
probably his first full week of practice in a long time.
And they're like, we've had Vaughn in here forever, you
know? It's like you just can't
shortcut that trust thing with these coaches.
For sure, but part of what I have have tried to make the case
for was that they maybe were like waiting on Edmonds is why
they haven't been. Rumored in the they.
Still could be. They still could be, yeah.
They they still could be, it could take a couple weeks.
But I I did, especially with the full practices and not having an
injury designation, I did sort of hope that they would use him
in these first couple of drives in this game and and that would
be an indication. Of that.
Yeah, me too. Paul.
Paul Chase, Edmonds season. 1025 to 10. 26 Yeah, that's.
I mean that's about it. Yeah.
I mean that's we've had a few of those man that that's the crazy
thing like about about these middle of the season weeks like
you have to. Last year I was thinking about
how excited I got about Mike Boone and I just like had us
picking up Mike Boone everywhere, remember.
And yeah, but that's what. Yeah.
That's what we're doing though. Like even when I wrote it up, I
was like he's 80% to be a 0. But in to your point, Pat, and
this is one of the things I wrote up like in week eight, you
shouldn't be able to get a guy that you can make an argument
could be stepping into a big piece of the backfield, like
just because he's healthy now for $10.
Out of 1000. Yeah, that's cute.
And I do think, Gretch, there's also unpacking why there was
less interest. Is it is that like out of sight,
out of mind thing? In the same way in DFS, the guy
who was injured the week before or whatever, people never want
to play them. Whereas say a guy like Pierre
Strong, right, People saw him on the field.
And so even though he might be projecting for a similar role
upgrade as Edmunds, it's like, well, I saw this one guy and I
haven't seen the other one, and therefore 1 is worth more than
the other. John Warner here in the chat.
Our our badge, bro, said a a Tampa Bay B reporter suggested
Adams would be second up. That's.
I mean if you're reading the tea leaves, you're looking at
basically everything. That was the impression I got
that was like it seemed pretty like the way that they activated
them off IR yesterday. Some of the stuff I saw like
comments and and stuff in like in.
One of the Tampa Bay blogs related to that.
It was like they're ready for Edmunds to come back and be a
jolt into the rushing attack. You know, like the TP.
That was a terrible kick. I I I agree with Sam.
Sam here too like it's just you're on the road you are
projected to lose it's 4th and two against a good team.
How are you just not going for it?
I mean what do you this is this is the alternative?
OK, but that was a. Funny ass kick.
We would have missed that. I mean.
You legit could have made that from 50.
I want to see that. Shout out producer Phil.
Maybe Edmonds has a headache. It could be it.
Could just be a little. These these teams never factor
in the point spread, which they should because the point spread
is a pretty accurate representation of of your
quality versus the other team's quality.
But, like, they're never like I'm a dog, so I'm gonna I'm.
Gonna, I'm gonna go for. Yeah, a thing that literally
myself as a Madden player in high school who's awful.
At Madden, all my buddies were better and we would do
tournaments. I intuitively bled the clock,
the play clock on every play to reduce the number of plays going
against my opponents because I knew every time they had the
ball they had a better chance of scoring and I needed to ratchet
up the very. Youth Arthur Smith of Madden.
Is that what you're telling me you're?
Everyone hated me 'cause I was the guy burning the whole play
clock down, but. It's just like, how did he
subbed out all those good players?
Sounds like it was horrible. To play against you, it was a.
Lot of fun, but we're playing for money and I'm like, you guys
are all better than me, so I got to ratchet up the best parents.
Telling God I got to play Pete. That's amazing.
Call me a bad dig. We're playing for money, all
right, players? Arthur Smith learned from Pete.
Yeah, I'm a Steve. Players win.
Look how quickly you you're all about like offense and pace, and
then as soon as you get on the sticks, you're like, all right
baby, we're slowing this thing down.
I'm a big dog. But we're playing for money, and
my parents don't own FedEx, OK? So I had to do whatever it took
to try to win. Any of your family members or
producer on the blind side or no?
Oh man, we have fun with Arthur Schmidt.
I didn't. OK, what I was just going to say
isn't even true, so it's not relevant.
But. It's the Internet.
You're allowed to say stuff. That's not true.
We're on the Internet. Don't let truth stop you.
Eric says I need a reason to grow a Creeper's stash.
I mean, it would. It would take me about a year to
get a Creeper's stash. Yeah, I'm with.
I'm with you there. That kind of surprised me Pat,
'cause you got like the dark thick head of hair.
I would assume that you could grow like a good stash.
Well, I can grow a stash. That's about all I can grow.
But it's like, it's not thick, you know?
It's it's just, it's not even. It'd almost be better if it was
thinner. Like it's just like in this
interim, kind of just like, why is that on your face?
Take that off your face. I just don't like that on your
face. It's not good.
And also like some of the hairs are like kind of red.
I don't have any red hair like here, else on your body, nowhere
else. It's just from here like a
little. They're not, like, full.
Full red. They sort of, they just like
Glint a little red. It's not.
I mean, at this point you have to grab a mustache and we can
see this like. Greg, what he said Anywhere else
on your body was. Very provocative.
No. He, like, really wanted to know.
It's no, there's no finishing. There's no red.
You didn't want to go there. So I was finishing your sentence
for you. You're like, I don't have any
red hairs. And I was like, anywhere else in
your body. All right, let's go.
We're adults here. Let's just say the carpet
doesn't match the drapes. Freshman year of college,
everyone did the like No Shave November, and everyone was doing
mustaches and like partly as a bit and partly not.
I tried to dye my Peach fuzz blonde mustache and then it
probably looked like what Pat's mustache would look like.
Yeah, wasn't a good look, but I tried.
I got an older brother who can't grow facial hair and then I can
grow it. It's so funny.
Like, we're the only two males of our generation and he always
jokes about it. He's the older brother.
But like, even in, like high school he would like, I ended up
taller than him. He would joke that I'm his
little Big Brother cuz like I would get like I'd be able to
grow facial hair. And he has like Peach fuzz and
he looks like super young. But yeah, you guys saw the stash
that I could grow last or two years ago when I did the the
that's it. That's real.
That's good. Yeah, my dad has a mustache.
He's had a mustache for, like, his entire adult life.
Basically, it's fine. It's a regular mustache.
Yeah, it's totally fine. That's what's so bizarre.
Yeah. My dad, like, you know, all of
his photos, even his wedding photos, and when I was a kid,
just just this super thick mustache.
I could never, it would take me like 4 years of living out in
the wilderness to even be able to approach that.
I'm just like what happened? I don't know.
All right. How about some?
I don't know. I'll just throw it out there.
Maybe a pass to Dalton Kincaid? Yeah, that'd be ideal.
That'd be pretty sweet. Oh, he's down field on this one.
Oh, there it is. Oh, I thought that was worse.
Kincaid was running his route. He was stopped in the middle of
the field. Oh my God, was Shakur on the
board? Could we have added him to any
of these? Yeah, someone was talking about
it earlier. He had a very low number, I
think. He's already gone over all of.
It. Guys, look, I really want to
win. I want to unlock the giveaway.
I want to keep the heater going. But there is just incredible
equity in Liam typing through a Kincaid.
Kincaid wasn't even on the Kincaid.
A Kincaid bagel is a win. Like if we get like a true
bagel, like not. Oh, we only had like one catch
for six yards. No, I need a fucking zero and I
and then and then I think we should do the giveaway.
To be honest, I think we should do the giveaway.
If we get a zero, I know it's against.
The rules, it's not what we're doing, but.
I think we should. If Kikkada's a stone bagel, for
sure, we are for sure doing a. Different way I love it.
No, Leo Leo's the king of the spin zone.
He's going to be like Shakira unlocks, a new element to this
offense. I really like it right now.
I I like this zero we win anything from.
What he is. Oh, he he got in OK.
He can get a lot. Of the one you go back to him.
He didn't get in and for our James Cook bags, they just he he
got the carry from the 8:00 and then they took him out for Oh my
God, for Latavia. So we also have.
Josh Allen Fantasy Points and We're about to watch a Latavius
Murray rushing TD. No, at least they're not doing
the tush push. At least the tush push isn't in
the bill's vocabulary. You need that you could do the
drop. That design run.
How about? How about a pass to Kincaid?
Yes, stuff. Yes, you.
Suck, Latavius. There we go.
Thesis of the He'll go for this play.
Let's get that Josh Allen rushing touchdown.
Huh? Be sweet.
Is this true? What did?
He say Vadip says Liam hedged Kincaid earlier today, saying
that he might be hurt by docs. Being missing to make any
fucking sense at all. You can't do that.
It makes no sense, Lydia. That's.
Amazing. Oh, I mean, I heard he's got his
hair. Clocking.
Really. That's making a lot of sense.
Oh, they're running the clock out end of the quarter.
Damn. 4th in goal. What are they going to do?
They might kick this. What were they doing there?
Running the clock down for the quarter from the one?
Were they trying to get a offside so they could get it to
the half yard line? Yeah, they'd get a first down,
right, wouldn't they or no, I guess they wouldn't.
No, it's. What's the?
Point of that. Yeah, you're.
Right. Well, who it is?
Mike Show Baby joining us here live from the Buffalo Bills Den.
It's the voice of the Buffalo Bills here every Monday through
Friday, 11:00 AM to 1:00 PM Eastern.
A real broadcaster for the first time on this show.
That's an exciting debut. What an honor.
What's the score? You're not watching.
Well, I'm 31. I'm probably 3 plays behind.
I got 3 nothing end of the quarter you said.
Yeah. Yes, I have Allen 12:50 to score
the first touchdown. Do you think they do it?
Oh, oh. I very well could right now.
That's a good one. We're lying.
Him, they ran him on the second
play to make a point like we'll do this, but we don't want to
and he sort of. Preserved his shoulder as he
fell, but now it's 4th and goal at the one right.
Right, Yeah. And third goal at the one didn't
work. Yeah, yeah, I think that one.
Mikey Knock knocked. This guy here, I'm sorry.
No, I was just gonna ask, Did you see the Khalil Shakur
breakout game coming? No, I did last year at this
time. Not, not tonight, no.
Yeah. I do have some some best ball
shares to do it in the undertaking gift.
Right now. With Kalil.
Shakira. 'Cause it wasn't until, like,
what, late July, early August that we're all like, Nah, it's
actually Hardy who's who's probably the guy you want.
Hardy made sense, but that's the whole dilemma with this stuff.
Like Taekwon, Thornton made sense all summer.
But I picked up some Keyshawn Boutet, just in case, and now
it's to Mario Douglas. Like you.
Just how are you supposed to know sometimes?
When I when I booked you, I did not think you were going to be,
you know, turning the Taekwon Thornton knife this early into
your day. Listen, I've been talking about
the bills all day. I couldn't be up for anything.
What? What's going on?
What's new with you? How's your season been?
You know, mixed like everybody's You try to figure out how you
missed, what you missed. You know the thing about this
year, you you're you coined Best Ball summer and that's so,
didn't you? No.
Thanks for coining that, Pete. I'll take.
Credit for it. Who called in best ball summer?
Who called any of these things? He coined everything 'cause he's
really good at popularizing it, so if you just take E credit,
it's a good bet. Yeah.
OK, well, whoever coined best ball summer, I heard you say it
all summer. So, but it really is
interesting. Like the summer was drafting and
it was communal, like the FSGA, the Expo industry drafts, pros
versus Joe's, the Deep End Invitational.
I mean, just Vegas, right? We're all together and then you
get to even the middle of the season, let alone the end and
sort of. Nobody cares if you're winning.
They don't want to hear it, and if you're losing, you don't want
to mention it. So it all happens kind of in
solitude. At this point, the whole spirit
of the of the hobby is the drafting and the being together
and playing together. And you know you wish the season
could end as soon as the draft is let's go.
Oh, I got. So excited about the target.
Didn't even see the defender. I I love the other people are
going to tell me how the Bills are doing.
This is the first time in my life.
I don't look at Expo there. Why are they doing it all?
Right. Sorry, Mike.
No, wait. I want it.
That's just like, what are you
watching though? I got Amazon Prime over here on
my TV, but I'm probably. Hold up on your phone or your
laptop. It's it's much faster.
It's much faster. On Yeah, Fooba, yeah.
Sorry. What were you gonna say, Gretch?
No, it's a phone. Amazon Prime app on your phone.
Yeah. Yeah, it's way faster.
Guys, come on. Don't do the next Gen. though,
even though it is great, it's. It's slower.
OK. Is that?
That's Edmonds. Here we go, gradually.
Let's. Go we just need to start the
second quarter. Better.
Better than anything. It's not Rashad White for that.
One, Yeah, honestly. Right.
It's great. Yeah, great for that one.
I was like I don't care what happens as long as they just
don't use. Is this is this play call and
the one before? Perhaps not.
The ultimate proof that they don't want Josh Allen taking
hits. I mean it, it's Week 8 and
you're four and three well. I I was surprised.
I'm like, this is a tush push play for 14 other teams in the
league and you have one of the biggest.
I think that that Purdy concussion is gonna change
things. I don't know if you guys saw
that camera angle from the overhead, but he took a pretty
big hit. That's where that concussion
came from on on a tush push and a lot of oh, that's Pi.
You can't hit. Chase Edmonds Like that.
Give the guy some respect. Future Hall of Famer Chase
Edmonds. That was my yearbook quote.
You cannot hit Chase Edmonds like that.
It's you're not the first. One I was Prezian, dude.
It's not even a good pass. It's not even the pass to
Kincaid. I'm sorry, I'm behind.
Yeah, the pass to Kincaid was not great, no.
It's not even a good pass. It's a weird play call for 4th
and 1:00, and from the one that's a it feels a little too
cute. You're trying to announce
Kincaid when you really don't need to be thinking like that.
You know, just score. Yeah, it's offense.
Actually phoned in that play. Yeah.
Well, it's about time to Bill's taking stop taking play calling
suggestions from fans. What are and draft?
Suggestions. Yeah, seriously, what are the
what's the tenor of calls you get from Bill's fans?
Like after that game against the Giants last Monday night, which
was. An atrocity to watch What?
What are people saying? Fire everybody.
I mean, pretty pretty much just like This is why I've been right
the last five years, that despite the fact that they've
been fifty and four, everybody that they actually employ is
terrible at their jobs. So I mean, I I went to the
dentist on Tuesday morning. The Bills lost to the Patriots
on Sunday afternoon. I'm I'm lying behind one person.
This is Buffalo, right? For for better and worse, I'm in
line behind a woman to pay my bill at the dentist.
My, my hygienist is standing to my right, and she just sort of
turns around. She doesn't recognize me, I
think, but she turns around. She's like, you watch the Bills
game and you know, yes, he said. They suck.
And I'm just trying to. I just got my teeth cleaned.
I'm trying to check out and I got to hear about how McDermott
is. It's time for him to go and how
Dorsey is terrible and like, just let let Alan can do it
wrong, Let Alan, you know, be Alan.
All this stuff. I'm just, I'm just the dentist.
Well, that's incredible, Mike, that you're just aura in
presence brings out people wanting to vent about the bills.
It's your job, but no matter where you go, you continue or
carry that with you. Right.
That was it. That's right.
That's amazing.
I had a dentist appointment yesterday too as well and I
learned that my dentist a a very nice Asian lady, plays fantasy
football. She asked me what I do and and
she she wants some tips for for fantasy football.
So that was. That happened to me too.
I was also just recently in the dentist and the dentist plays
fantasy football and he was asking me.
What the name of my? Site is and everything.
Leave this but the the the like the tech.
I don't know the not the dentist, but the person who I.
Don't know hygienist? Dental hygienist.
There you go. So she was like, we kind of had
this like little conversation, you know?
And she's just, like, fucking hate fancy football because.
Her husbands like, obsessed with fancy football.
So she's like, so you're so obsessed with you turn into your
career. And I was like, but she kind of
said it like a little like fucking thing.
She's like you for making contact out of me.
Yeah, Yeah. And I was like, rising it.
You you're the reason that my husband doesn't love me.
She's like, yeah, we he won. He won his big money league.
He won. I don't know, like wasn't.
I don't know. He might have won like 600 bucks
and he's like see babe, he won 600 bucks.
He's like it's not every year. That's great.
No. But but Shof, you were just
saying how I I think it was a really interesting point and
I've thought about this before, how fantasy football is all
about draft season, beginning of the year when everyone's
engaged. Everybody cares about it.
We love to talk crap with our friends and everything, but
people fall off as their teams get bad.
And then there's only a few amount of teams that make the
playoffs. And then there's a few weeks
there where people check out and by the time you get to the
championship, like I've had a league that's been around for 20
years and people love to talk crap, but you're all on fumes.
There's only two people that care at that point, right?
And so the they win their championship and like.
Next summer, we're going to talk about who won the championship
last year. Oh, yeah.
Congratulations, you. Know I do a We do a Baseball
League in Philadelphia every March.
It's a 30 plus year old league guys from all over the country.
It is the weekend like there are dinners.
It's breakfast beers. There's an NL draft on the
Saturday morning. There's an AL draft on the
Sunday morning. It's just the best.
Then, after each draft, if if you can stay in town long
enough, somebody runs The Sims. Somebody runs 10,000 Sims on
who's going to win? I'd rather win The Sims than the
League, because when you win The Sims, what?
Is this Leone running these Sims?
No, don't tell him. Don't tell him.
No, don't tell him. So I'd rather win The Sims, The
League, because that takes out all the randomness.
You're the team that's supposed to win, right?
And everybody drinks to you like, oh, I guess you have the
best team. The season plays out, then it's
October or November. Who even cares?
Somebody wins the league again in solitude.
Maybe three people congratulate you.
And then it's four months of silence.
Like there you go. Here you go, here.
You go, here you go. You just want it.
That you're just one show. He has no idea he's.
Gonna I've never won anything in my life.
You just won, baby. 10 minutes from now, we're gonna see you.
Give Paul you're. Doing a monologue about how you
don't even wanna win things and then you win.
I've made a lifetime of talking about sports without watching
them, so that's that's appropriate.
You guys after after. Peter Jetting, CSU Rams big
sweat when he came on a couple weeks ago.
We are our guests. Come on, tell us about their
sweats and they hit like with this is a.
It's true. It's just what happens.
Maybe I should celebrate with the beverage I.
Don't. Know you should.
That is so funny thinking about you guys simming results.
Imagine if Yahoo replaced, they're like you get AB plus
grade on your draft. It's like we are processing
10,000 sibs to say who wins. That's it.
You could take a percentage of a fantasy league's money and just
pay it to the person who wins The Sims, because that they
haven't had everybody get hurt yet like they might deserve.
It. You could have absolutely
smashed a draft right? And they would say like you have
a 23% chance of winning this twelve person league, which is
just an insanely good chance and people would be like 23%.
This is bullshit. Like they would think that you
gave them AD, plus you told them a 23% chance of winning the
league. That's funny.
That's one of the fun parts of being a fantasy analyst over,
you know, multiple years like, I'm off on my own.
I like Sun Signals. I got returning readers.
But like, not all my readers are winning their leagues.
I think it's kind of amazing that I've had any of them come
back because, like, I mean when you're when you're getting
advice from random people, if, if, I mean your expectation is
like, it's win or lose, but it's one out of 12 people don't
really realize, right. It's like it's not easy to win a
league. Well, that's the dilemma when
you're talking advance rates with people and BBM and such
like, oh, how are you doing? Like, well, I'm.
Not doing the best, but I kind of have a Baltimore, Miami thing
happening that might be good, you know, You just don't even
really want to talk about it yet.
Is that part of the extended conversation with the lady from
the dentist you're telling? Her about?
No, that was her talking to me. You know, she she was worried
that maybe Tennessee playing Houston twice in the fantasy
play offs wouldn't actually be that good.
You're like Taje Spears might actually be the beneficiary of
those juicy matchups. I tell you what, I've been
watching content all summer, every single time.
I thought maybe sometimes it was sarcastic.
They kept pointing out that Houston was Tennessee's opponent
twice in the fantasy playoffs. Now I think maybe I want Houston
guys. That's what she said.
Then I left. I just walked out.
Enough of the floss. I'll floss next year.
That's. Great.
Shope. You do one of the most intense
fantasy drafts that's out there every every year.
We we've been in Vegas for the last couple years.
We've done it in Vegas after the Thursday Night Football game.
It's. I love the timing too.
It's right after the Thursday Night Football game, like
everyone should be drunk. But you guys have to stay sober
and figure out this, this draft where it's what, bare knuckle.
I always think of it as white knuckle, but I think they call
it the bare knuckle draft, right?
You guys get no electronics, you get no lists, you get no paper,
you get nothing. All you need to get to do.
You can't have a coal manager. You show up, you're by yourself
and you draft a 28 round. That's fall of a draft.
I'm I'm thinking of a. Coal manager, right?
Like you can do. You you can.
You can have a coal manager, but nothing else.
You're right, Ben. 28 rounds, 32nd clock. 32nd clock.
You have to explicit draft though, right?
You can't like be together the whole time.
Right. You can tap out at some point.
When your partner comes in, you can't go back in.
Oh, interesting. Between us this year, it was a
little bit too rowdy, like I got through it, but there was too
much going on in the peanut gallery.
Who got in trouble? For that it was it was Steph.
Yeah she was. I had Philly guys to my left and
they just couldn't stop trying to make fun of it all night.
So but you know you want to say something like, but it just.
I felt like it would already. It would already be too
disruptive and I just. Couldn't.
But I'm not making excuses like, you know, I just, I'm trying to
get through those and make decisions that make sense and
not forget anybody. Yeah, but it.
It's I didn't know they allowed people in the peanut gallery.
That's that doesn't make a lot of sense 'cause you gotta do it
well memory 28 rounds late at night.
My question was, what's the preparation process like for
that? What do you, what is your like,
'cause you got. I know you guys spent a lot of
time like grilling each other on kickers and stuff.
One of the Go Bills guys does it with you as well.
Yeah, no. Nick and Sean go.
Bill's two time defending FFPC main event champions.
He he's on his own. Nick has done the thing two
years in a row by himself as well and he like, it's the SAT,
only you die if you fail. Like it's super intense with
names and flash cards and like every day I have just sort of
treated it as all the drafting I'm doing is enough.
But at this point I can't. I can't say it is.
Knicks in a close third and that I'm nine.
I started. So I I had.
I drew the ace, which meant I could pick any draft position I
wanted and I picked two. And I like your opinions on this
because I want somebody to play off of, you know, whether I'm
eleven or two, just OK, what does this guy need?
And maybe I can gain some value that way.
So I picked Chase it to not McCaffrey.
And then Gibbs off the opener. Everybody was giddy for how
Gibbs looked in that first game against Kansas City.
Just, you know, Montgomery exists, but Gibbs at 23, then
Hurts at 26 and then got her. And so it's been it's been a
climb. If I was super prepared, I think
that line of thought makes sense.
If I felt slightly underprepared I would want to be, you know,
5-6, seven and have more time. Each round to think about my
decisions as opposed to having to go like Bang Bang on picks.
Yeah. Yeah, I think I was like in the
middle that I would want to be in the middle just for memory,
just so I would be like like, yeah.
I think if I had more confidence I would agree.
I've always wanted to be on the ends because I want the breather
and then I can sort of look at the bore and be like Rashad.
White That is brutal. That's it on run of the year
that was like like like. The other fun stat with Chase
Evans going into this week, he has four carries at his 14 yard
run. His longest run is longer than
anything whites had all year. For carry sample, we've got a
whole he's still Rashad White's long is still only 13 yards.
I will. Say Mike, it is a predicament.
So back when, like Pat and I first started going, we wanted
to cover the bare knuckle draft because we were like.
All of the stuff like people in a room drafting high stakes
teams, you know, it's kind of interesting or whatever.
But for like mass appeal, like these guys doing a draft 28
rounds with nothing, like that's a hook.
And it was a very interesting thing.
And we had always talked about is there a way to cover this to
to live stream it or document it.
And it was always kind of like this hush hush thing because
guys like you need your space, you need to be able to think.
But it is a bummer because of all the things that happen.
High stakes drafting weekends. That is by far the most
interesting thing that should be covered in a more kind of
marketable way. I think everybody's too tired.
Everybody is flown to Vegas within the last 48 hours and you
watch the game and you're going to your Jose Andres dinner and
you're going, you know, you're trying to get some gambling in.
And then the bare knuckle is the combination of like, OK, this is
a super exciting, hard, serious thing.
And then also like, let's just get through it.
And so I I might be done with it.
I don't know. Like I I love the challenge and
I I would love any, I'd want to approach any sort of startup
bare knuckle thing that happens. But the Vegas scene seems like
it's a little bit OK You know, I tried.
I did it three years. Next question, I have a question
for you guys. Real quick, just to put a bow on
it. What was the buy in for that
People want to? Know 1000. 1000 now question for
us. You have so Pete sort of the as
soon as we got started on the best ball after dock you're like
I'm not gonna let you interview me so I don't wanna get in sort
of in in your dog I'm. Feeling kinda lazy right now you
can interview. Me.
You're welcome to interview me. Did.
I have that hot best ball summer.
Yes, Mike, I did. It was my beautiful idea.
I feel like, is there a player that jumps out to you right now
as the player you most regret buying into this year?
Oh, buying into. I mean, that's a laundry list.
But yeah, Quinton Johnston is is one of my highest exposures.
And the reason I've been thinking about it a lot lately
is in like all of the big board stuff, I was massively
overweight. Jordan Addison, Relative to
Quinton Johnson, I thought Addison was a better prospect
and then I flipped that take. Drafting season and Quinton
Johnson was going two rounds cheaper and I was like, why
aren't these guys closer together?
So right now that one is is stinging because I have far more
QJ than I do Addison. But do you regret how you got
there like you got there because you were looking at your
portfolio and all right, well, I need to sort of level off a
little bit, right? Kind of.
There's so much unknown at that point.
Yeah, I don't know if I want to let myself off the.
I mean, he was. I did think the gap was.
Was maybe too big and I'm always gonna take shots on those kind
of guys right in in that, in that offense, a first round
profile like that. But I I also think I went into
it with open eyes. We knew he was probably a more
volatile prospect. Yeah, he was.
He was boom bust. I think everyone thought that,
yeah. And I think Addison is hitting a
higher end of his outcome and everyone thinks that.
It was so like the argument for Addison was that it was so
clear. And I don't think it was quite
as clear as everyone wants it to be.
But it is hitting to that degree.
So that's the way it's gonna go down.
And that's fine. My answer would be Rashad Penny.
I really pushed for oh, that's a, that's a that's a big one.
But Gretch, actually to your point too, like one of the
talking points that I still think is true, right?
Even aside from QJ, was Jordan Addison wouldn't be able to hit
his full ceiling without a Justin Jefferson injury that he
was always going to be capped to a #2 role.
And I think Jordan Addison would have still had an awesome season
and we'll maybe find out in a few more weeks what he looks
like. But the this insane kind of
target share. You know that that's not
happening when Justin Jefferson, so him getting unlocked without
Jefferson that helps expedites thing, but I don't know if it
changes that thesis necessarily. Right.
Pat. Yeah, Penny's a good one.
But I but, you know, like a few weeks ago I might have said
Deontay Foreman, you know, And then it's like Foreman gets run
and it's like, oh, there we go. So I almost feel like there's
hope for Penny, like. Did the kicker's helmet get
ripped off of him? What is like?
That's what happened. Datsun is 1 for me where I
Datsun. Is why I brought it up.
Yeah, I didn't. I wasn't that into Datsun.
I didn't think the argument for him this year was like that
compelling, but there was just sort of like a he's a second
year player, he was a first round pick, he had an OK rookie
season and. I think Howell's gonna like
Chuck it around and I think Brissette is good if Howell gets
benched. So I like I should have a good
quarterback here. I'm just gonna like mix them in.
But I I took too much and I liked Addison.
I liked some of the other guys in that range and I wish I had
like Pickens. I I wish I had more Pickens than
less dots. You know?
Not that I, like exclusively took Dotson or Pickens or
anything, but I definitely did that sometimes.
And it's like God Pickens looks like a like a stud and Dotson.
He just. I don't know.
He look he's he's behind Kurt Samuel right now it's it's
pretty ugly. He might be a better player.
He's dropping the ball in key spots, Dotson.
He might be, but like, even in terms of target earning and
stuff, he's behind Samuel right now, the chat is saying in all
caps. Josh Allen's in the tent.
Kyle Allen is warming up. What happened?
None of us saw it either. You may have hurt his shoulder
again. Sucks, yeah.
That sucks for the Heather Prusak.
Is that your colleague, Mike? I know who she is.
OK, I just want to make sure I'm passing on a reputable bill
source. Warming up on the sideline,
throwing to Dalton Kincaid as Josh Allen is still in the
sideline medical. Those count as Dalton.
Kincaid receptions. We will bubble this, but I'd
like to add on Dawson. So to me the the struggle I'm
having. Is.
Quarterback is in the tent right now and the Bills radio guy
goes, hey, who wants to talk about a?
Todd Duck. Well, I'm on your show, right?
I mean. He's in here to.
Talk fantasy. He's here to talk fantasy it.
Was just it was just. Very funny.
On my show I might have done that differently, but.
Dotson, like everything, pointed up for me.
And when did we draft him? Round nine or something like
that. Like it was sort of a wide
receiver, four or five. It was just like sitting there.
Noah's Mclaurin was kind of iffy.
No running back. Maybe Howell's good, like Pat
said, like anything could have gone right here.
But I didn't consider Eric the enemy exactly Copying Kansas
City's. Distribution like the the route
tree stuff, it's like 910 targets per game and Logan
Thomas is more relevant you. Didn't think the enemy was going
to make him sky more. No, I I didn't think about the
enemy. But if I had Pat, I would have
thought about one example would be Josh McDaniels with Jacobs,
because last summer we're going well.
OK, well, maybe Jacobs. He hasn't had a great career,
but he's talented. Except that the coach is going
to. You know, spread carries and
touches around because that's what New England always did.
So we didn't draft Josh Jacobs. It's not, it's not perfect.
It's not apples to apples. But we didn't draft Josh Jacobs
because what we had in mind on McDaniels was there's not going
to be a workhorse there. And on Washington I sort of
didn't care. I mean, the enemy equals good,
right? Equals productive.
So, well, I mean even better for Dodson.
And so he's somebody where some of these guys, you don't think
you're making a mistake, like stuff happens and like I
couldn't have got that right. But this is 1 where I can't
decide. The good news is Josh Allen has
come back on the field for your Buffalo.
Bills, So you got. That doesn't he always?
Doesn't he always? Where's my you know?
Yes. There's ones.
There's ones like Daniel Davis already.
Well, Daniel Rod threw Bateman in the chat and he helped me
with the rankings all summer, so he knows that I was pushing
Bateman up, if anything. But actually there's some, yeah,
there's somewhere. I'm just like that's just gonna
happen the way I. Pick on his first.
Pass on on a Kincaid target nonetheless.
Oh no. Oh man, don't love that.
I the Bateman thing to me is less Bateman and more a
structural thing. I mentioned it was perceiving
the Bateman that's true tier and then juxtaposing that to Nico
Collins and Jacoby Myers being stone smashes like 2-3 rounds
later and pretending like Burks and Bateman were so far ahead of
those guys. And even zooming out, not doing
just like retrospective. It's like were they that
different of a probability bet? I thought I.
Yes, I think Collins felt like a lower probability.
But just cause like there's so much uncertainty of like how
much they even like Collins. Is Collins gonna be out there
all the time? Obviously he's he he looks
awesome. Collins has hit.
Collins has hit par leg cause strout has been way apart.
That's the key coming, yeah. Like Collins has been
incredible. Their first year, first time
offensive coordinator has been incredible and Collins has been
good. He's had all three of those
things, which is great. And two of those things you had
no idea would happen like you're stacking and you're building
correlation and CJ Stroud is? That was the other.
Side for Bryce Young. If you want to tell yourself a
story for Collins, but like I do think as far as like a wide
receiver window closing 2023. I Pete, I think you'd make a
really great point that it's it's fascinating that the guys
at the back end of what we were calling the wide receiver window
have largely busted the box. Burt Bateman QJ Group.
And the guys right behind that, which often are like really low
win rate players are are doing pretty well.
Many of those guys busted Meyer and Collins was and and Theo
Thielen was almost a was he with that group?
I guess he was. Yeah, a little bit further.
Behind when Grown ass man catch right there and there, hmm.
But I do think the probabilities, I think that I I
still think when you talk about the profiles of Bateman and QJ.
And trailing parks going into the year and what they were as
prospects and what kinds of prospects hit and and how young
rookie and 2nd year players can be so impactful.
And from that range. Last year I and I I wrote about
this in my I'm like perks might be really good.
I don't know. Yeah, yeah, we might still learn
from those guys, but like. I'm bidding on him.
Last year that was Garrett Wilson and then right behind it,
it was like MVSI, mean like and I and I I had those names in an
article from last year that I remember I hit up in in August
to make this point again. You want those young guys over
time. I know the year prior it was.
There was some good examples as well, but anyway, did I?
Did I win again? Godwin.
Yeah, Godwin, you have Goblin too.
Plus 650 let's. Go Mikey first box TD.
You might. Find someone in the chat, Taco
Bell, if you hit both of us, I mean, how much could that come
do? You have a third one.
Do you have a third one? You.
Better stay. I have.
I have 4:00. I have It's not a Parley Allen.
1st touchdown, 10 to 1. Godwin first touchdown plus 650.
Allen over 21. 1/2 rushing Bills -10.
OK, you had me in the first half.
I don't know about this Bills -10 anymore, Homer.
Well, well, that pays even money, so who cares?
Hang on, let. Me get my beverage.
Oh. Man.
The chat's asking if Bateman was also a parlay.
Burke's a parlay. I mean, those guys had better
profiles coming out. I mean, no, Like, I guess
there's a thing of like, yeah, like Bateman needs to be good.
But like. Wasn't a parlay in that the
market had confidence in the Ravens.
Passing game being. Very good.
Right. And that's.
The Berks thing you could say like quarterback situation you
got. Werks was more of a parlay.
Yeah. Yeah.
Is Bateman dead, though? I mean, I know he's playing
behind other guys. I don't think so.
Good, The thing is always like. He's out there.
I don't really get it. The draft capital investment,
shouldn't they want to sort of what if, what if they're really
good? Shouldn't Bateman be a priority
like these teams? Just you.
You see them do things and you think organizationally doesn't
make sense. And maybe the coach and the GM
or the owner don't even talk like the Falcons.
You know that's not to. Yeah, they seem to be pretty in
on the Beckham. I I think it's annoying that
like Beckham came back and he got a bunch of targets last week
and had a really high 1st St. target rate and it seems like
they're like, all right, we gotta make gotta make sure we
get Odell Beckham involved. But it's like, do do you?
What if you? What if you didn't?
Do you? Like Zake Flowers is definitely
pretty good. I think he's early on.
I was pretty skeptical of him like week three or something.
I was like, I don't know it's a lot of screens.
It's really shallow. A dot like like let's see and I
think we've seen he looks pretty good.
He he's getting used down field. He's he's been efficient.
He's able to get open. He rates.
He rated really well on open score.
So I I'm sold on Flowers and it makes sense that they would be
prioritizing him. Which then makes it tough for
Bateman, because you have Andrews there too.
So now we're talking about like the Ravens #3 receiver already.
Why? He's not really in the mix ahead
of Beckham and and even Aguilar sometimes, I don't really know.
But what do you guys want for Derrick Henry?
What? Do we want for?
I mean that that presupposes that we have a Rudy.
We have Derrick Henry, right? Exactly.
Davis is not in the in the room. You.
Would. Love him on the Ravens.
I mean, that's a smash. Yeah.
You're willing to sacrifice those two matchups against the
Texans to get Derrick Henry on the Ravens?
I'll tell you that much if it if it ends up being traded to
Houston, that could be complicated for the the.
Best. That was honey.
Oh my God. Derrick Henry gets the Titans
twice in the fantasy play of two revenge games.
Dude, they. The.
They beat. Fours on him in December.
They beat a lot. Now one of their interchangeable
running backs, you know, goes down.
Let's go. We're we're almost in first
place. You know they only want a third
round pick. Yeah, Houston against Tennessee
weeks 15 and 17, is anybody, has anybody considered that?
I have not. I have not considered it until
right now. But are there, are there any
like real? Is there any real buzz on the
Henry stuff or is it just? 'Cause there was, I've seen some
Ravens rumors, Baltimore, Buffalo, Dallas, Green Bay.
Buffalo does not need Derrick Henry.
What does Buffalo need? Peter.
Honestly, Honestly, Derrick Henry on the.
Bills more times. It's what they.
Need more passes to Khalil Shakur?
I don't know. It's a really, it's a really
interesting puzzle right now. The Bills, I mean, Allen has
been so good, Diggs has been so good, but they're kind of in
between. Allen can't even figure out how
to describe what they're where they're at right now.
And now they're 10/10 with Tampa, like they're playing
fine. But that interception again and
then just they've had a tough time of it this year so they the
the GM has been a a trade guy like you would love him in your
fantasy league. Brandon Bean he traded for
Diggs. He's been out there doing stuff.
I think they do something. They've had massive losses on
defense not even including Von Miller who's barely playing.
I'm not sure about tonight. They're going to want to do
something. They're going to be.
They could be 4 and. Four, they need another
receiver, I think. I think that's the that's the
issue. That's what I was just going to
ask, because didn't it come out and tell me if I'm wrong?
Because I you would know the particulars.
They wanted a receiver in this draft, right?
And then they were all off the board.
And then Dalton Kincaid was kind of the Galaxy brain consolation
prize that we can get this in a different form.
Is that how it went down? I thought the guy if they were
going to be able to pick from the receivers at 25 or whatever
it was, assuming JSN had been picked because JSN sort of slid
to 20 in that draft. I think their guy would have
been flowers. No one has told me that but
there was the most sort of buzz around that.
But I bought Kincaid as an idea. The problem was always and it
still is rookie season like you're trying to win a Super
Bowl and maybe he is the next Travis Kelsey.
But acclimating to the position in your in your rookie season is
very rare. So I I don't know.
I don't know if they would have drafted Johnston or Addison.
Maybe. But finally it was at a point
like for three years on WGR, we'd be like the Bills need one
more weapon. The only first round pick, or
even maybe first or second day pick Josh Allen has ever thrown
the ball to is Kelvin Benjamin. Oh.
My God, Wide receivers only wide receiver.
They didn't even draft him. But Carolina came in and traded
for him and his His first touchdown pass was to Calvin
Benjamin. Wide receivers only, like Diggs
is fourth or fifth round and so is Davis.
And you know all those guys. Shakir, Shakir's day-to-day
three. I think Shakir's fifth, right?
So this, this was like the third.
We were pumping up Elijah Moore on our station two years ago.
Like, I know you're good, but you need one more guy.
Offense wins and they drafted pass rush to try to sack Mahomes
earlier but that that didn't work.
That never works. So this year they got to OK
receiver and Kincaid is a very interesting sort of hybrid idea
for that And you know he shows signs this year.
They might tonight. Rather they might be trying to
force the ball to him and Tampa Bay might be onto it with knocks
out, you know. I know you're behind, but this
play, I mean Josh Allen. He didn't even look Kincaid's
way through it immediately to Gabe Davis, who wasn't even
looking for the ball. Was it even?
That's the play after the digs. Play after the digs.
Play. Yeah, OK.
Yeah, First and 10, Yeah, it is. Weird because like the the digs
thing that was the Bills, like very correctly, like looking
around seeing what the you know is happening in the league,
right, And being like we have to get.
Some legit weapons, but you can't stop there.
You need A.J. Brown and Devante Smith.
You need George Kittle, Debo Samuel and Brandon Nyuk.
Yeah, let's. What does the 2nd and 10 draw
get you with three minutes in the second quarter?
What the fuck are you doing? You're in field goal range.
That's a. That's a.
Terrible play goal anyway. Always.
Every time. Every time.
They're having some success on the ground too, but they're
running the plays at weird times.
I mean, unless they're just worried about Allen's shoulder,
but that is just. I mean, there's nothing.
But but I don't know. He's just thrown a bunch.
I think it was like we'll we'll get 4 yards here.
Let's be sneaky. You guys start Davis tonight.
Anywhere. It's still 3rd and long.
No, we don't have much Davis advantage.
I didn't get a main tonight over 10.
K There we go. There's a second to reception.
And it's and a touchdown for Alex.
Somebody somebody got at at Liam that they that something about
him pass blocking like let's let's flip it on Liam.
Let's flip. It on Liam.
He said he was wrong. He was wrong that he was gonna.
Fast dude. When when will Ben learn second
and ten runs are to set up third and 12?
Right. Oh man, let's see this play
here. So Allen's gonna hit our over on
fantasy points. Can we check the?
Yeah, yeah. I love one of these picks.
Which one? You're 3 and you're 5 Both.
Nice. OK, nice.
Although Evans isn't happening yet, right?
Do you have Evans? No, no.
Yeah. Neither is Baker at all.
Well. Yeah, but we get those through
scrambles like that. That's OK, right?
You're losing. You're fine.
Yeah, Allen's already there. I mean he's he's 2 1/2 points
away. Yeah, that feels good.
In case feels good, We just need Evans.
We need Evans. How's my -10 looking better?
Better. It's looking better than it was,
yeah, minutes ago. This game ends 2913.
Sorry. From your lips to God years.
I mean, we do need to get Evans in this this.
Negative. Well, this is a good.
Set up like they're they're gonna be throwing, right They're
gonna be trying to conserve time.
They're gonna be trying to score.
Are they about to make 4 field goals from here on out?
What 1710? No, it'll it'll be a safety, a
touchdown, A2 field goal. That's my prediction.
Who's on next? Who's on the 3rd sacrilegious
JM? Who's on next?
Wow, look at you. Who's on next?
No, Steph. Yeah, he comes by the catalogue.
Start of the third quarter you can you can hang with us at
halftime while we dial up some some pick em we we got a.
You know, get in heavy on the Shakur.
You know, we use our ball watching from the first half to
inform our second-half decisions.
Love it. My wife's flying in from New
York right now. My kids are 13 and 12.
They're on their phones, probably after they told them to
go to bed an hour ago. So I'll do whatever you want.
We. Want you to order Taco Bell?
Does somebody? I'm not sure Buffalo has Taco
Bell. We might.
Come on, you have a Taco Bell. Probably.
You probably do, Adam Levitan famously said on on this show.
Does Buffalo have an airport? So what are you more likely to
have, an airport or a Taco Bell? What's more like?
A bell. That's what Buffalo.
Have an airport that's pretty. Fun What was it that I had
Leonie on? Forget what show I had him on
and he was trying to oh, it was the randomizer.
And we're he was trying to sell the chat on Buffalo being a good
Food City. And he kept throwing out all
these Mexican joints and stuff. And he.
Was having a hard time winning people over with that.
And then you called me. Oh, yeah, he did call you.
Yeah. And I was too busy because I
thought he was stiffing me for a a draft we had that night.
But. I still remember the first time
I met you. Shelby went to that really great
steak dinner that we all talk about and love.
But it was you, Leonie and I, and Leonie Tate brought me along
the three Go Bills guys. It was a it was a bunch of
Buffalo guys and halfway through the meal you guys broke out into
a Buffalo wing discussion like a heated discussion about the
different Buffalo wing places and and what?
And I was like, I am in the the the stereotypical Buffalo dinner
right now where everyone is sitting here talking about a
Buffalo. Well, then let's let's
straighten this out like it was great, right?
You loved it. You loved it.
Oh yeah, Louis G was the 7th guy.
He's only second in best Balmania.
He's second in best Balmania he. Was first there for a second.
He was first for a couple of weeks and my they these guys are
trolling me. They know like I don't whatever,
it's a fucking Buffalo wing. Who cares?
It's a chicken wing. And so they're they're just sort
of playing me a little bit. But yeah, it was a great night.
It was great to meet you that night too.
Craft steak at MGM in Vegas. Tom Colicchio, beautiful.
That was incredible. Credit card Roulette and Leonie
lost. Credit card roulette.
Leonie lost. You guys hadn't flown in yet.
I got in there a little earlier, and Leonie was.
It was just me and Leonie that we're in.
And he was like, come along with me.
And it was credit card roulette. It was Louis.
It was Leoni rather against Nick Kaz.
And they drew Nick's credit card, so Leoni paid the. 3
grand. The best part about that was
Leoni was so excited about credit card roulette.
It was I think his idea his phone.
He's filming the whole thing and as and we did it one at a time.
The way that you can do it where you remove it so it builds
suspense. Like I think I was the second
one removed and I was like thank God I don't have to pay.
It was you know a four figure bill and.
We got down to Leonie and like two other people and he he
passed me the phone and then I started filming him because then
he was the one that was sweating and he ended up losing And that
the it's great because everybody in like you guys fantasy guys.
Mike, Leonie quintessentially. Oh credit card roulette.
What are my odds? I'm an odds player.
I've got six other guys at the table.
I'm 85% to win, so let's just look.
Of course I would take that deal.
I might not have to pay at all, but 15% chance I have to pay for
everybody. Of course I'll do it, I'm sure.
Leonie has run Sims on his expected lifetime value.
On credit card roulette, in certain scenarios, there's an
upside ceiling versus floor. You know that's right.
Terrible through that. But you know, poor Mike, he'll
be OK. He'll be back.
He'll be fine. He'll.
Be back. My city's.
Run like power, so you. Know if you have a power rank
Buffalo based personalities within the the fantasy space,
How? How do you rank it?
Well, I have to exclude myself, so.
Don't exclude I, I I'm going to, I'm going to.
So let's. Just say I have to all.
Right, I'll slot you in #1 mic show who is super sharp.
We have two more main event teams this year.
We're hoping for six for six cashing, but you know, that
doesn't put us above Nick and Sean and and Don, who's out in
Colorado now, 3 childhood friends who have won the main
event literally twice in a row. Like, how was that even
possible? We're doing a mastiff with them,
which is looking good, but it's too early to call that.
So I'd say Nick, Nick and Sean, like they're just, you wouldn't
want to have to play poker against them or anything against
them. Adam Krautwurst is, you know,
really sharp. I have a lot of fun with him on
the Deep End podcast. Leoni is already sort of an
industry icon. And who am I forgetting, Pete?
Barry Noyce. Oh, yes, of course.
Barry Noyce. Yes, The man that introduced me
to high stakes fantasy football, He's.
A Buffalo guy, he's. A Buffalo guy that knows Mike.
That's amazing. So Adam and I started the Deep
End podcast. I didn't know Adam.
And the first thing we're going to do is check in on the new
Giraffe Sharks Invitational at the time.
Who's in first place? It's Pete.
So, like, all right, the first show we ever did, Pete was on.
I'm like, Adam, I don't know who this guy is.
So I might have said that on the radio like.
This is. Either, of course.
Why? Why would you?
Why would you so? That's all summer.
Who's that guy I didn't know. I didn't know anything.
So, AKA very nice. Noise.
How do you pronounce it? Noise.
How do?
You he doesn't. Deserve a correct pronunciation.
He's like, let me tell you who Pete.
And you know, with Joe, you always get like 30 texts at a
time. So then I knew who you were, and
I tried to sort of represent like, you know.
Wait, how did you know Joe your? Your introduction to me was, via
Barry, explaining who I was. Oh, that's Barry.
I told you guys in Vegas and I told Pat, I'm like, I've known
him longer than me, these people.
And Pat's like, who are you? Wait, wait.
Yeah, Well, anything you tell me in Vegas, you're gonna have to
repeat later What's what's How do you know Joe?
Joe has been a WGR listener for I've been on 21 years at this
point this. Is how you know Joe because he
left with Jim chasing. He, he was a fan.
And he would hear me talking about the fantasy league I was
in with the station. And he's like, dude, you don't
know me, but you got to get out of that Kitty league and come
over with me. I'll show you what a real
fantasy league looks like. So I went and it was auction and
it was like there was a lot of stuff going on around in the
room. It was at a Knights of Columbus,
you know, in Cheektowaga or someplace.
And I'm like, OK, well, I guess this is the real thing.
So I felt like I was really good for that league.
I finished, I got a trophy back here from that league, from from
Joe. I finished second three or four
times in a row but never won it, which I thought was hilarious.
And then you would go to the draft the next year and
somebody, this is like five years ago at least Pat and
somebody would be like Andy Dalton $2.00 and Joe would be
like and stomp on the floor and like Sirens would go off.
He's like, I've got Johnny Walker red, an instant winner
for the person who bid on Andy Dalton.
And the room would applaud and there'd be like cheerleaders.
And it was just because I said Andy Dalton 2 box.
I I got a bottle of Johnnie Walker Red.
It was just, you know, way over the top.
This was all before Barry left his heart in Thailand, though.
Yeah, it's still. There.
It's still there, no doubt. I.
Appreciate he's there right now, literally right now.
That's. Incredible though.
I want to go to that auction. That sounds great.
That sounds fun. Joe watched the Barry watched
the New England Seattle Super Bowl at this house in here.
You let Barry into your home. Once.
Once.
I lost a lot of respect for you, Mike.
Fool me. Once, fool me once.
That's it. I apologize.
Anyone who doesn't know who Barry is is very confused right
now. And if you do know who Barry is,
you are loving. Barry is, Yeah, Barry.
Is a. A real, a true character.
So he's back in Thailand? I don't know.
According to his Instagram. I remember when you guys would
talk about Barry on the show before I met Barry and I felt
like you're saying people feel and now that I've met Barry, it
all it all just, you know, it ties together.
Let me. Help you real quick.
I'll show up. I'll pull up a photo of Barry
and our guy Emo Cowboy at. Our Oh, yeah.
Party. In Vegas.
Good God. Also, so to give some more
background on Barry, actually this isn't even background.
This is what happened this year. So we're in one of our prime.
Wait. Hang on, Brian Schultz says he
assumed Matthew Barry. This is not about Matthew Barry.
This is. This is the Barry Barry noise
we're talking about right here alongside.
He's not the one in the Cowboy hat, he's the one in the Get
Money Miami Hurricanes jersey here.
It's not even. Miami Hurricanes.
It's just a generic, like it's got dollar signs.
Oh, you're right. I.
Thought it's like it's just like.
A. It's it's such a look.
You're the trophy. How late was he to our draft?
To our high stakes. Yes.
So I was just gonna tell that real quick.
We did our prime time. I had to call him and relay his
picks. He took George Pickens at the 2
three times. Great pick, great pick.
Could have taken T Higgins. No big fucking George Pickens.
Anyways, Mike last year, Pete last year, so I hadn't heard
from him very well. It's probably because, like,
he'll text me 500 times and I won't respond.
And then once in a while I do. And I said, Joe, do you want to
do high stakes lead together? So we did an NFFC, the RotoWire
beat somebody, right? 350 bucks entry and we drafted
separately because I'm not not letting it back over.
So we were separate teams in that draft and we went 1-2.
Like Joe still got it. Here's the trophy.
So it's, you know, a Cup, whatever you could drink out of
it, you know, throw some beads in there and there.
Can you read the? Yeah, get it a little closer
here. Now we can see it. 2016 go
Wendis finest. Almost Champion.
Mike show up. Honestly.
Barry's handwriting? Really.
Impressive. It's improved.
Really impressive. It's improved.
What's the 1st place trophy like?
That's a nice little 2nd place trophy.
Yeah, it's that guy probably. I don't know.
It's he's probably just booze. Have you guys been watching?
This last night when he came over or you just was like this,
this vibe is not appropriate in my house.
No, it was fine. My wife said he's never coming
back. Just I would not be able to
sleep at night. If I do, Barry had been in my
home, never, ever coming back here.
He's never kind. I knew would die.
It was a great night, too. We had sort of a gamblethon game
going where like all these sort of prop bets on Patriot,
Seahawks and a couple were, this is like almost 10 years ago,
right? Like, will my daughter cry
during the first half? And the guy who won, Jeremy
White from WGR, our morning host, was the one guy who said,
and I'm ashamed of this to this day, He said she will not cry
and everybody else bet that she would.
He deserved the money. Oh.
Man. Hey Mike, let's take a stroll
together here through the the pick em lobby here at halftime
so we can get in 'cause we have been able to pick off some stuff
here before it gets really moving.
Let me. See what we got here.
Now the one thing I'll say, just a a note overall, is that the
Bucks are playing like total cowards right now.
So we should, if we can bake that in any they just played for
a field goal that whole time. It was.
It was awful. Every drive they played for a
field goal. Yeah, every drive it's it's
horrendous. Rashad White got a. 15 yard
carry in there. I missed that first play.
Gretch, if you want to double down on Baker Mayfield rushing
yards, it's that 2 1/2 now. Yeah, that's an easy hire.
That's going over the Bucks are going to lose by 14 and talk
about how well they did. Yeah.
God, we have nothing on the board for the Bills right now
other than Jordan Poyer and Micah Hyde.
We're gonna need more than that. Take them out, right?
Like lower if anything. Yeah, Evan's got a 30.
I know. It makes me Is this is this
where we dig in our heels and just double down?
Yeah, let's just play the exact same slip as I I'm down.
Honestly, I'm down. We we do that.
It never. Really.
Script 23 1/2 yards for Mike Evans in the second.
We got, we got Buffalo stuff up. All right.
Let me refresh. All right, Mike, let's see.
All right, Josh Allen. With the little over 100 passing
yards, 13 1/2 rushing yards, 9 1/2 completions, I.
I don't mind the lower on oops rushing yards and and bet on
Murray. Pier only needs 99 more yards.
He's at 69 currently. They have him at 78, 1/2.
What is Allen's passing line? I like that. 202, 140 What?
They have it at 290 and a more .5.
He's at 179 right now. That's a pretty.
Big number, yeah. If they score, they'll get the
ball first. If they score right away, is
any. Latavius Murray Ogre is kind of
interesting. I feel like with the injury,
yeah, Latavius, I feel like the injury and Vitavea out.
We might in in a lead. We might see Buffalo run a
decent amount in the second. Yeah, and not Murray.
Hasn't gotten a ton of rushes, though the last couple he plays
on Like passing downs, right? I was kind of wondering about
him more. They they use Murray for when
it's pass pro and goal line I think they might want to get.
OK, so is this a, is this a bad one?
Then maybe we take. Yeah, maybe we take that out.
Nope. So he.
Did a 12 carries a couple weeks ago, but every other game, six
or fewer carries. He doesn't actually get to 22
Russia rushing yards a lot. He's done it twice in seven
games, I think I would bet Cook. I think Cook's over is where I
would go too. Which one it does feel?
High but. It does feel high.
Yeah, I like the rushing and receiving, I think.
What do you guys think? Yeah, yeah, I I like that he's
already more than halfway there and like we're we're playing
that. Allen's shoulder might be a
little bit of an issue, and they might.
What do you guys wanna kind of do A mirror kind of what we did
and do like a three and A5 and do an Evans Shakir James Cook as
a three and then build A5 with that core Is Shakira Trap at?
What if we did Baker instead of Evans because we have Evans on
both the other ones? What if Evans just gets shot at?
We're going to lose everything, but they want to get into 1000
yards. We've had this talk about the
rushing, receiving lines. There's a reason they do it.
It's because the the carries can sometimes go for negative yards.
Yeah. Is Shakira trap at like?
Are we sure he's good for 10 more?
He was getting. I think he's good for 10.
He's running a lot of routes. Where's the Yankee tweet?
Some Someone give me the give me the The Yankee Routes tweet.
I guess the first question is, are you betting on this game to
stay close? It is right now, Buffalo first
drive right? Like if Buffalo scores a
touchdown. What?
What do you think they do shove? Do you think they they stop
throwing if they get up by another score?
Mostly. Shakir's actually only about 50%
of the snaps they've been playing.
Trent Sherfield Quite a bit, actually.
That just came down. Shakir.
It yeah, it did. I mean, it's it's like 1 catch
at this point. Yeah, I still.
Like like 1. Catch I do too.
I'll accept that underdog, all right.
Do you wanna do Evans there, Pete?
I was saying maybe do Baker there 'cause we have Evans in
both of the other ones. Evans.
If you guys like Evans more, go Evans, then that's fine.
'Cause it's so much, it's such a lower.
Number Baker Sweat seems so gross for a three.
If it's if it's not a blowout, I think Evans like they'll.
I was just trying to spread out our exposure.
We're We're a. If Evans doesn't get to 30, we
lose everything at this moment, but that's yeah, I'm
comfortable. But I mean if if.
Evans does. If Evans stays on this number,
like, I guess we just don't deserve to win tonight.
You know the the fate is not a factor in this stuff.
You know, I just there there's no superstition involved.
Baker is. Baker's going over, by the way.
He's gone over this in every single game.
Oh, he had one game, we had one carry for two yards, but every
other game he rushes. He hasn't had a rush out in this
game, but he rushes in every game.
God win his 6 1/2. God win his 6 1/2.
He's at 4:00. Isn't that working for
receptions? Yeah, get him.
Get him to. So he needs three more to go
higher. Do we like that?
22 yards, 24 yards. Not when we're playing it to go
back to, yeah, not with Evans, I don't think.
I mean we we are playing a pretty big negative game script
here. Yeah.
All right. We could do it.
I'll do my I kind. Of like that receptions, he's
been feasting underneath a bit. OK, let's do it.
All right. I'm gonna watch this out.
I thought you're going at least we're going a little light
tonight. We're going a little light
tonight. We've got.
All settled based on our convictions and our convictions
haven't been super high on these two slips.
That's true, Ian. I'm reading although the Baker
rushing over is gonna hit. I'm just telling everyone in the
chat, you know, let's do the Baker rushing over with
something else, then let's do a little.
I was gonna say let's do A2. Pick em A.
A bigger one, Gretch. This is your conviction.
And what's our oops? Just get out here, LeBron.
This is my conviction. Yeah.
What's your? What's your?
It's. Up to 3 1/2 yards we're already
getting, we're we're already moving the wow.
Do you watch? Shakir, Who's our biggest
conviction? Our second one.
I I don't need to take both of them.
I don't know. What do you what do you?
What do you? Like, no, I'm saying
collectively, who's our big I? I do think this shakir won catch
here. Yeah, for 7 1/2 yards.
Let's do it. All right.
All. Right.
We're gonna lock this one in. Look at this is 2.
We need a little 2. That's all right.
It's a 3. Axer.
We're gonna. We're gonna, All right.
I think Shakir's already at the airport.
What? Getting traded to Denver?
Nope. This game, Scott Payne.
Needs someone else to play ahead of Marvin one weekend.
A lot of stress around here. They're playing next Sunday
night. I think Shakir's already at the
airport. I mean, yeah, you gotta rest
your studs. For sure at risk.
An injury to Shakur. At this point, he's off to Boise
for a long homecoming. Weekend.
Yeah. Hey Bryant, it's a good thought.
We've all had the thing about the rushing receiving line being
the same. I I literally thought I had just
found a way to yeah, you know take underdog for millions and.
That way we talked it through, Gretch pointed out why they they
put they. Put well, I mean, it probably is
still. I think we decided it's probably
like 25% of the time it's a negative rush for receivers
because of the reverses and 75% of the time it's probably a
positive. Like it's, yeah, probably 1.
If it's exactly even, you'd still rather take it.
I think you'd still it would just be really tilting to go
over on the receiving and then have like a negative. 4 yard
rush Which? They're only doing it for the
receivers. Get like one carry or no
carries. It's the ones that are very low
Vol. It's not.
It's not like a Debo Samuel situation.
They're not gonna do the same line for him.
Didn't Elijah Moore have like a 21 yard loss?
2. Weeks ago.
You can probably wise these dovers exist.
Yeah, there's some weird ones. Reggie Bush went an entire
season with the Bills and finished in negative rushing
yards. Really.
Like, nobody remembers him out even being on the Bills.
I have a football up upstairs. They can go get it.
Not that maybe you don't believe me.
That was pointing to the sideline.
Reggie Bush, like missed it. And my son was with me.
He might have been like 6. And the ball sort of sat there
and I was down there with passes and a photographer friend of
mine said just give the ball to the kid.
So I handed the ball to Julius and he held it up like this.
And the ball is still upstairs, you know, under the TV Reggie
Bush ball, even though he never touched it because the punt was
50 yards out of bounds. But he saw that ball.
He gave a good look. We have it.
What did before? Allen.
Era Mike, what was What did your What is your favorite era of
Bill seem like? What was the funnest era to
cover the bills ever? Yeah, it's like from, like a fun
standpoint. Well, this has been incredible.
Like, the Allen years come after almost 20 years of despair where
you lose to Tom Brady twice a year and you feel like, how is
this ever going to get better? And then Allen happens perfectly
for the narrative as an underdog out of Wyoming when people
mocked him, including myself like he'll never be good but OK,
go Bills And then in the year plus he was amazing.
Like remember those early games. Remember when you first sort of
accepted Josh Allen as great, Not even fantasy great and the
loss to Kansas City was this is really difficult and sad around
here is like that was a game where if that's your team the 13
seconds loss in the playoffs in 2021, that was the best thing
you've ever seen and then they lose on the same day.
You don't even really get a chance to enjoy that.
So this is. Probably.
Was probably the best playoff game of of like maybe of all
time like that I've ever seen. I've watched football for a
really long time. I remember on stealing bananas,
Sean and I, But I like I did a whole thing on the next episode
after that game, about like this should have been the Bills year.
They played well enough to win that game.
Josh Allen played so incredible. They changed the overtime rules
as a result of that game, which is not any kind of nice fun
thing for the Bills to remember. But I mean, man, for they were
ready and they played incredibly well.
I was actually thinking about that game earlier when you were
saying a lot of people in Buffalo feel like they're A1
receiver away. I was like, well, they weren't
that year because Josh Allen was good enough that year.
Gabe Davis had the four TV game in that game.
That was an incredible football game.
You can't play any better. And it's just like somebody had
to lose in the way the rules were that it it it wasn't that
it came down to the coin toss, but it kind of did like I you
felt like either team was going to win with ball.
The problem, the problem in Buffalo, Ben, and this is still
underneath every amount of anxiety that's existing now.
Is that so? They're in the lead by three
3633 with 13 seconds to go and they kick it through the end
zone. The special teams coach was not
welcomed back after that. Whether the head coach is at
fault or not, they kicked it through the end zone.
No time right now. So the Chiefs started their 25.
The Bills call. It's 13 seconds left and the
Chiefs have the ball down three of their 25.
The crowd is silent. The Bills call time out on
defense. They come back, they back up,
and it's a pass to Tyree kill. Just like an improv. 20 yards,
time out, six seconds left, 7 seconds left, whatever it was.
So the Chiefs come out again at their 45, still down 3.
Seven seconds to go in the game, and the Bills call time out on
defense again. Let's get this right.
Here's your defensive head coach.
This is why you have a defensive head coach.
Let's get this right. And they backed up again.
And then Kelsey taps his helmet, mahomes to Kelsey. 20 yards down
the field. Time out.
One second field goal. Like, of all the theories about
those moments, I haven't heard a better one than that.
The Bills coaches didn't know what the score was, that they
thought they were up by 4. Like, nothing has ever made
sense about that strategy. You would not rush a single
passer, A defensive rusher on those plays.
You would never sort of back up because you think Hail Mary is
the only thing that can beat you.
And then they lose the coin toss and they lose.
Nobody in Buffalo cares about the coin toss.
Like it was the IT was the. But that never happened to the
field goal. Yeah, we have You have Andy
Reid, who's a witch who can draw up plays.
We have a defensive head coach who blew that.
Yeah, 13 seconds man. I forgot how type that was
'cause the TD that Allen. I mean God there was so much.
I just pulled up the game walk. But I remembered that there was
a fourth down TD. It wasn't even the one with 13
seconds left. It was a drive prior where Allen
on 4th and 13 gets the TD and they go ahead.
Then Mahomes score. That's what, 2 minutes left.
Mahomes scores with a minute 2 left.
The Tie Reef touchdown. Right.
Yes, check out the two point play to digs.
Allen has a run to convert 1/4 down in those late moments.
Then he has a two point. Those are both like, you can't
believe this is real. Yeah, especially if you're
Buffalo and you've been waiting to win your whole life.
That was their year man. And and it's it's so hard to
keep things together as like you know the contracts get bigger
and everything. I mean was Allen still on his
rookie deal. I think that was part of the the
rant out of stealing bananas at that point.
You still had the quarterback on the rookie deal like that was
their that was their season. Well, that's right.
But we have an airport now. It's 65 degrees out on October
26th. So it's not all lost.
It's 1710. Let's go.
I I told Leonie this, Mike I my flight home from Vegas.
I know. I heard.
I was here.
I was rerouted to Buffalo. I landed in Buffalo for about 20
minutes and I thought, you know, if they get us off this plane,
I'm hitting up Mike both mics. We're gonna go get some of these
Buffalo tacos I keep hearing about.
What the? The.
Fog cleared up and I added hope. What a what a Mexican
restaurant. City, Buffalo, NY.
Yeah, man, Destination Mexican food, I'm told Mike, we
appreciate you joining us. We're gonna let you get on your
way so you can watch the game in real time.
I mean the people. Are here.
Here's the catch. On the radio.
I don't think he got into the He didn't get enough.
He didn't get a nine and 1/2. He got nine.
He got no, Oh my God and a half. I think we're 1/2 yard.
Short. I still feel good about it guys.
Yeah, as long as you guys keep me posted on what the score of
this game is, I look forward to watching you the rest of the
night. We'll keep the score updated.
It's been an honor. Thanks boys.
MM. People know what?
Let the people know what you where they can check you out.
You got the Deep End podcast. Well, I'll be on 4 Hours again
tomorrow. Like every day talking bills on
WGR Sports Radio 550 Old school. Like we have ads and a boss and
stuff. That'll be 3:00 to 7:00 in the
afternoon. I talked to Al Michaels last
yesterday, if you want that. That's on the Odyssey app.
Oh, nice. That's sort of a regular
conversation that we have with him and that that was really fun
and the deep end in terms of fantasy football with Adam
Krautwurst Tuesday nights at 8:30 on the Player Profiler
network. But enjoy tonight.
Well, always enjoy catching up with you Mike.
You are one of the greats and we appreciate getting to talk with
you. So we will be there next year at
Bare Knuckles heckling you from the sidelines.
I'll come over and yell at you ahead of time if you need to,
You know, get let me know in advance if you're actually going
to be so. I'll know to be there if you
actually decided. That's right.
Have a great night, Mike. Bye guys.
Dudes, we're we're there on Shakir They it it.
Cleared we are. We only need 7 1/2.
That was quick. We need 8 1/2.
Let me let me pull this up here. Yeah.
I, I. Whatever.
Whatever we had, we got it, yeah.
So that one, we need one more catch on Kincaid.
It's funny, 'cause we went back and forth on the yards versus
the receptions and I think. He's cleared the yards already
and not the receptions yet. I know the way we were.
Wrestling with that. One, we're banking on this low A
dot roll and it's not. But in this last words, I I
literally said does he get it? Like how often does he get 3
catches for 38 or more receiving yards?
That's the line he has right now.
I know, I know, on three, but I feel OK, I think.
We're. I think we're good.
Yeah. I mean, we we just need the box
not to completely roll over. We want to, I think we want a
touchdown here. We need the Bucks to like get
their heads out of their asses. They've been playing like a a
game as if they're not playing the Bills.
They've been playing super conservative.
They played you OK, you have like 217 or something on the
clock and you're down a touchdown to the Bills in
Buffalo and you run Rashad right White right up the middle.
And then that bleeds almost all the time before the two-minute
one. And then they threw like a
little dump off pass to White and that took us to the
two-minute and they're like sick.
We got like. Like 15 yards out of that burn
some time and then they just like played Super Conserver the
rest of the way. Like why?
Why aren't you going for like put the pedal to the floor?
Guys, my Gabe Davis theory has been proven very wrong and
they're using him like Dawson Knox.
Anyone else noticing this? They're doing like play action
like flat routes to Gabe Davis. He's their new tight.
End. That they you're they're just
they kept the exact same playbook.
And we're like, why don't? You guys, David David's in the
in the Dawson Knox roll. Yes.
Good. God, anything.
But Josh Allen just did clear his fantasy points number.
Nice. OK, that's good.
Nice. Let's get some Kincaid, though.
Latavius gets stuffed. A tail is all.
His time? He just got stuffed.
Mack Noble wants Steph. What if I brought you Steph?
Right. There she is.
There you go. Look at you, Steph.
You got cronies now. You got you got people out here
demanding you get on stream. It is, of course, Steph.
Miller, I think you say not cronies.
I mean, cronies is like AI think that's kind of a compliment,
like if you're so. Big that.
You got cronies. That's a good spot to be in,
Steph. How are you doing?
I'm doing. Great.
And I love having a fan club. Also, some of them are in my
dynasty league, so they probably think I'm going to give him pics
or something. Oh, oh, Davis.
Davis. Wow.
We don't have him. We don't have him on anything,
guys. I know.
Well, yeah. We're already over.
On now, Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we need Evans.
It's. Time.
For the bike, Evans. Drive.
How? How are things going, Stefan?
Another busy week of waivers here.
It was a very busy week, even though there wasn't, like I
said, everything kind of cycling.
You know, it's at that point where it's kind of cycling back
through. So like we we dropped some guys
and then they came back and that's kind of where we're at.
And we did have like Chase Edmonds when we thought he was
going to come off IR the first time.
On several teams. And then we gave up and dropped
him. And then we picked him up again.
So yeah. That's the that's.
The These, like, fantasy waivers aren't like, you know, pitchers
when they come out in baseball. Like, you are eligible to get
them back on your team. If you want a Mulligan on on
this, what? But we do need to remember Steph
as our waiver wire. Captain, I apologize for putting
you. Under the Under the gun here.
What is the week that when you do drop them, they are
ineligible to be picked up again like week 11 or 12?
They changed it this year. I have to look if you make the
playoffs, you can actually pick people up in the playoffs
system. You're right.
I. Have to look at the exactly.
Yeah. Otherwise I think it's before
week 11, like I think it's the end of week 10, but I couldn't
even. I'll have to double check.
Insane that that's a few weeks away at this point.
Yeah, that part blows my mind. But I was like, I was like,
wait, it's really like Week 8. I'm like, we're like more than
halfway through the regular. That's kind of.
Crazy. Because I feel like I'm like,
no, like we're just sitting in the draft with Derry, not
showing up and you know. Exactly.
As Doctor Evil says here, Steph has such good write ups that I
selfishly hope no one in my FFPC main leagues is reading, but I
know some are. He is of course, referencing the
fabulous newsletter that is on that gets dropped in your inbox
once a week. This week A2 Parter Steph you
are you are now putting out multiple editions.
Are you going, are you going to commit to this weekly, or was
that A1? You're hanging out with with me
and gretch too much. You're you're you're writing
this lengthening. The lengthening.
Oh, you can ask my college professors.
Like I've always gone over the limits on every paper.
I've always been a big, a long, long winded rider.
But I had people in the home leagues that were, you know,
saying that I they wanted some of the information a little
sooner for those because they usually run a little earlier.
So I tried to just put out the home league stuff by itself and
then finish up like the write UPS of our teams.
And things. So I will try my best to get the
home league stuff out sooner, but I can't always promise
because, you know, working a regular day job and not being
home to write all day can sometimes put a damper on that.
So it kind of depends, you know that, on how things 'cause that,
you know, I work with clients, so sometimes my day goes longer
than expected and sometimes it's shorter, so you never know.
Well, give us a a little bit of a high level overview of the
waiver wire this week. You had two running backs in in
tier one. Let us know kind of what the
landscape was looking like in Week 8.
Well, you guys would probably argue to put some up there, but
so you know, we had Pierre Strong and Amari Demikado, if
I'm saying that right, came back after, you know, he was a big
pick up. Before and then we saw Kianna
Tay. I never know how to say his
name. Ingram, you know, be the lead
back. And then he wasn't.
Then he's played on special teams.
So you know that's where we kind of put our guy right back on
there. Pierre Strong has going to have
a chance now that Ford got injured.
Hunt was injured last week. As well.
So we think he's going to probably be the 1A, but we've
liked Strong for a while, so hopefully he can get some run.
We've seen Chase Edmonds being kids, hopefully.
There. Ben Gretch Ben Gret's new sorry.
Steph, I'm sweating. I'm sweating.
He's right with you. So, yeah, so we, we got Chase
Edmonds that got some touches tonight.
We picked up a lot of. Let's go.
Baby, what a run. That's our big ones that we kind
of had there. People are paying like $300.00
again though for these, you know, top guys, I mean they went
for a lot once again. So that could be expensive when
you're paying that kind of prices after dropping them.
Luckily we got the. Vibe step that anyone who has
money leftover, they're just like, I'm either spending it now
or I'm going to the grave with it.
Yeah, there seems to be like, if I I keep thinking I'm like, oh,
everyone's got to be out of money on like this team or that
team. And then I'll look and there's
like half the team with like all their money.
And I'm like, OK, so these people just aren't spending and
then the rest of them are almost out.
It's like those you see those two dynamics mostly.
And yeah, Tier 2, you could tell there's a pretty big drop off.
I mean not. Not, not not the best waiver
wire week definitely. You know kind of scraping the
bottom of the barrel if you're if you're down in this
territory. Yeah, I mean a lot of it was
just and I kind of said that it's like some of it was like,
OK, if you need a fill in, these guys could be a viable spot, you
know, on buys and stuff. But other than that, if you
don't need a spot start, they're not really worth picking up.
You know, then I said I'd go more to like some high upside
running back stashes that. You know are on good offenses
that just need an injury or two. And those are probably the guys
that if you have room, you want to spend your money on it pick
up. Especially the ones that are
cheap because you can get a lot of those guys for like a dollar.
Yeah, This is where like team strength and team needs really
starts to have more of a imminent impact on what you
should be doing. Like good teams should be
stashing higher upside guys later season.
Guys, we had opportunity to get Marvin Mims on one team.
We didn't get them, but. Because what?
Did you end up going for Steph because you mentioned that QJ
and Mims were on the waivers in a few spots?
It was just one, OK? It was the same.
It was the same league. They were both there.
Mims went for I think it was like 390 ish and QJ went for
like 2 or close to 200. It's nice to know some other
people out there are still as bullish on those guys as we were
preseason. I know, I was kind of like.
Either we're going to be the only ones that bid on him or
he's going to go for a lot, but there's going to be no between
on both of them. Well, I think it probably it
would be interesting to go and look at those teams composition.
But my guest is in the same way we're, you know, hunting for
running backs in a lot of spot, that there's teams that are in
desperate need of finding some wide receiver upside.
Because you can make the same argument in the other direction
this year that like wide receivers really thinned out and
finding guys that have a legitimate upside.
To stash on your bench is is few and far between.
It it's it's grown very thin, like do we even who's like the
round four or five guy that's like a league winner is a wide
receiver. I mean, iuke is probably the
closest. To it, I guess.
Iuke. Yeah, yeah.
That's why we were DJ Moore. Kind of knocking at the door
before the field injury. DJ Moore is a good answer to
that. Yeah, well, since I hate to
admit it. Yeah, but I mean, I mean he's
been he's had those couple games but he was like he was like oh
he's a bust. Oh, he's a smash And then he's
quiet last week with I know. But he's like he's top five in
fantasy scoring at the wider series.
Yeah like as a result of 1 Massive game.
But it is what it is. I I do think he's gonna fall
back. But at this point, he's the
answer to that question for sure.
Yeah. Steph, what about our teams?
I mean, on the whole this was a pretty good week for us, kind of
like tabbing through our places and our total points total.
Is that how you're feeling about it as well?
You didn't. So the NFC teams didn't do quite
as good for the most part, but the FFPC teams were stronger,
but we had our team did good, which I can't figure out.
We're five and two team, but we don't have that many points so.
NFFC still has us lower down. We were higher somehow last
week, but we haven't lost, so I I need to figure out how close
we are. I think.
It's something 'cause we have one better records.
The the top team by win, loss and the tiebreakers points and
everything and then I think the the next three are all points if
I'm not mistaken on. NFC.
Yeah, something like that. Because they do it more by
points than the others. 'Cause we have like the second
best record in that in our little division there, so even
though our points don't reflect that, but hopefully if Kelsey
keeps having big games, that could.
That always helps. Really help us.
There, but I mean all of our NFFC teams being in the in the
top six here is a is a very nice spot to be in.
Including. Our super team with Leonie which
is in in second place as well. So the Chase and go Bills team,
which your stacked wide receivers, the team you tried to
get those wide receivers on, I don't.
So you would have never started Mims or Quentin Johnson unless
there was like a fire and you know something really bad
happened. But your stack chasing team,
that team is stacked as well and it had a run of bad luck the
last couple weeks, but you finally got the well deserved
win because like you were like the second highest.
Scoring team the week before when there was a head to head or
two weeks before. But like, you happen to play the
one team that would have beat you, You know, like things like
that. Yeah, yeah, I mean we so that
stat chasing team that's with Sacrilegious and Draco, we have
Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelsey and Sam Laporta on that
team. So when you get the Mahomes
Kelsey Nuclear Week, you are, you're going to cover a lot of
ground, which was the thesis of the play when you draft those
guys. They're set up well again this
week. Too, and you have one running
back now. Now you got Roshan back on that
team like a legit running back because we've been plugging and
playing anybody with. I don't know if you call them
false, but it's basically. Everything.
Hey, that's not the only team I have starting Justice Hills.
So let's. The the the ship chasing
minisodes team is like a fascinating one that was one of
those teams where he'd be like why did you keep drafting wide
receivers Why do you take Jordan Addison when you have DK Metcafe
J Brown CD Lamb Braden Ayuka Devo Samuel Well it's like this
this is that exact spot when you start hitting some of these
injuries. DK Metcalf out, Devo Samuel out.
You plug Jordan Addison in and you keep the good times rolling
and. We have Deante Johnson come
back. From injury.
He's he's out on injury. Yeah I was going to say that
don't let the he's hurt again. But I I said.
Knocking. Yeah.
You like what? He's off.
My arm What the? He's.
Off.
My arm. He's being there catching
passes. They kept him actively.
No. That is a dot right there, up,
up, up, up on the a dot for Duncan.
Game. Yes, a dot's got to be like.
Sorry, what were you saying, Steph?
Oh, no, no, I was gonna gonna say with all the bye weeks, you
know, I was it was it was a little scary.
Week seven, you know, because that's that was probably the
hardest besides week 13. But that's gonna be in the
playoffs. You know, those are the two
where everybody's on by. Yeah.
And then any other. Things that jumped out through
this week either with team construction.
I mean this is a a little easier week for start sits right?
With no bye weeks. It should be.
Except then we have some teams that are like, you know, really
stacked at one position that it's like literally, who do I
sit? Yeah, we had that on the chase
and go go, can we just start James Cook tonight to like make
sure we don't get beat by these injuries is waddle and most dirt
and stuff so. I think we ended up doing that,
which is. We did.
Yeah, we'll see. But yeah, no, it's not going
great. But that's that's the type of
stuff that we have in some of leagues where you're like how do
you play this what's the what's the right way to.
Yeah, I loved your comment. It was like we shouldn't be
deciding between James Cook and Moser and week eight, we should
be deciding between de Mercado and whoever else.
You said, like, yeah, I said, yeah, we should be deciding
between Amari Dimarcado and Rochon Johnson, right?
Yeah, exactly. It's like it's weird that we're
deciding between two like such a team raw.
Yeah. And that's why that team is
winning. It's quite good.
We're going to have to bench one of Waddle or Mostert now because
we have Cup almond raw. The rest of the line up is just
it's full loaded. That for the people we we pulled
it up. I think last week or the week
before, this was the team where we got fourth round Cooper Cup.
Right before the start of the season, live in Vegas, because
there was all of the uncertainty.
It was like he's going to Detroit to see a specialist and
everyone's like he might not play ever again.
No, There's like the report. He's like, never gonna play.
Yeah. Yeah.
Or the report would be. A little strong.
I will say man, buying those teams that you know if you
bought the dip on both JT and Cooper Cup, God, you are looking
real good. Right.
And if you I bought a lot of JT. Well, I didn't buy that much JT
dip dip. I bought a lot of JT in the
third which was the pre dip. Yeah, I didn't buy a lot of AT
in like this fifth. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, once he wants.
To I never saw him go that late. Well, I guess in days he did,
but. In the very last days, I I
remember, I think I got him in like the sixth of one of those
fine, one of those, like, underdog contests.
They launched right at the end, like a big dog 15 or whatever.
And yeah, that's about as lazy like 6-7.
That was a sick putt and that putter was fired.
Up BBM and stuff. I didn't ever really see him get
maybe fifth, maybe 5-6, I guess. There is an element to and I it
makes sense like. It doesn't make sense, but the
ADP anchoring on underdog is so real that the way guys can't
drop as much. Whereas on FFPC when you're just
like raw dogging it at the live main event and you don't have
anything in front of you and you're like, yeah, I don't want
to take JT. Whereas when you're in the
applet and you're like, I don't know man, the market says JT
should still go here even though the app hasn't refreshed the ADP
in two days like that. That actually sticks players
where they probably shouldn't be.
For sure, that's probably a big topping point next offseason
for. For underdog.
I think in some ways I thought the, you know, the underdog ADP
was like too sticky that I think people were sticking, they were
sticking too much to what I think where you would see like
guys who should be sliding an ADP on other sites and they
weren't, they weren't really, they were like it was a little
slow to move. So it's kind of interesting that
that wasn't my feeling on it last year.
This year, I think could there have been a lot of?
Content about you know ADP being sharp and not straying too far
from ADP but I think people were a little gun shy on those like
news based type stuff where like no no no like you should be
straying from ADP like a lot. There is a couple.
Factors that you You also get the auto drafters though, that
Yeah, right. Catch those falling knives.
I think it also might be like related to like how much like
this is the level we're already at in basketball.
Like how frequently the ADP refreshes might impact things
too. Yeah.
Make it so you know we got, we have to know refresh rates.
That'll be a that'll be a new buzzword for your best fall
video. I even see it playing out in the
underdog weekly drafts in these micro situations, right?
You get like Tyree Kill, like, we literally went from a day
ago. You know the Tua quote, like,
hope to get Tyreek back sometime down the line.
It's like, what the fuck? So he's sliding 6-7 spots that
he's back at practice and that his ADP moves right back up.
I mean, I guess I should say his ADP stayed the same the entire
time because it didn't have a time to refresh, but people were
letting him slide in drafts because of that.
But then I would watch like an auto like take down and take
Tyreek and I'm like, you sucker dude, he's not going to play
until 2025. I mean Tua like.
Didn't you hear? Didn't you see what Tua said?
Didn't. You see, did.
You see what? Suit and and meanwhile Waddle
has a legit back issue going on and people are still letting
Tyreek slide. So.
Yeah, Pete, you wrote up in the Fantasy Life newsletter Bijon,
right? Like, yeah, different scenario.
But like I I was surprised. I obviously can't do his.
Job, but I was surprised. I was.
Reading that out that you're writing on that, and I was like,
man, I can't believe he's going that late.
Like that's that's wild. Yeah.
Derek Henry was going ahead of him, which I thought was pretty.
It was pretty crazy considering they're they're down grading
their quarterback situation to Malik Willis.
Let me just jump in real quick and and just let Shok know that
it is still 2410. He is, he is exclusively
watching us. He's still.
I don't want him. I don't want to let him down.
I don't want to. I feel I feel bad about talking
to the bare knuckles now, but I was not the only one talking.
Yeah, defend yourself Steph, do you want to any counter claims
was soap? Was soap actually making all the
noise? Tell us the truth.
And no, he was drafting. The rest of us who had been
drinking were making all the noise.
Chase Edmonds. You guys get already on to party
stuff? Chase Edmonds getting more
carries inside the 10. He's gotten all of their snaps
inside their own 10. Their own Green Zone.
Reverse Green Zone. What?
What do we call that? They call him the safety
preventer. Hey, you know, this is what it
is. What's the opposite Is he
though? There's.
Given 2 carries in a row from their own 5 yard.
Line like what are we doing Steph how are you feeling though
overall about the the portfolio you feeling good you're you got
we're we're almost halfway or over halfway as far as like the
waiver stuff. Do you are?
You. I feel pretty good.
Are you liking that there's like so many teams that are kind of
in the like the striking distance or would you and you
can be honest, would you rather that like half our teams were
just totally dead and then there were like really good teams that
you could just focus on? No because and then I'm bad like
I'm bad about giving up on things like to like I'm like I
will fight till the bitter end because I've gotten like people
like oh there's no way you're gonna make I mean even in like
regular lakes and I'm like Oh no there's a chance until it's
mathematically impossible I'm. Like, I can't believe how much
you're still paying attention to that ball mower's team that is
not doing particularly well. But you, I mean, you're not
lying. That's a.
That's a Steph is a completist. No, no, soldier.
Left behind in this portfolio. I mean, I may do it last, but I
still do it. No, I can't.
It's it's better than you. Could definitely do Baltimore
last. Yes.
It's it's only an FP Championship team and it was a
Bengals double stack. That is not.
I mean, it's going about as well as the Bengals season.
I have a championship team and that's the only team we have
that's doing worse than you're a scratch, so.
Greg's drafted it on behalf of us.
It's our team. Yeah, it's got like Breeze, Hall
and Waddle and like a Bengals double stack.
It's it's like a sick team, but it's not doing well.
Speaking of Speaking of teams that are struggling, Pete, I was
looking through my teams and I I found the team that we drafted
that mastiff with the triple sevens.
Remember we drafted the three bye weeks, 3 quarterbacks with
the bye weeks or no, it was it was a Dalmatian on Masted.
I was going to say. How's it all attracted?
I I was wondering why you were in like shot.
I was like looking. Horrified, yeah.
No, we drafted Stroud. Stroud was the third guy.
So I actually like, psyched. We got through.
We're like kind of in like we're in like the high seven hundreds.
So we're like not totally out. It's not great, but we're not
like the horrendous team and I don't know, dude.
I think, I think we can come storm back this 3 quarterbacks.
Where when did we draft that? Was that on ship chasing?
That was on ship chasing. I can't remember what it was
probably July or something that was on vacation or something.
All right, all right, Steph, appreciate you as always.
Leading the charge on waivers, keeping all of our teams in
check. You guys got to follow Steph on
Twitter. Where?
Where are you at right now? In in the Scott Fishbowl 5 top
five. I am.
Well, I'm at six right now, but I'm still undefeated.
Nice. Absolutely.
Love it. Yeah, we have two massive teams
that we did with the ship chasing Discord and we are not
doing well. They are voting.
Yeah, check in there every. Once in a while.
So I'm talking about doing, you know, jazz with the budget.
And by the way, I voted against all those picks just about OK,
there it goes. Yeah, I'm sure Chris G somewhere
taking his victory lap on not wanting to take CD Lamb at the
1-2 turn or whatever as well. He, yeah, he he scared us on.
Herbert was the big part which he originally won it.
That's a whole another story. Yeah, let's just blame Chris for
everything. I think that makes sense.
That's what I do. No, I'm kidding.
No, that's the right thing to do.
I'm going to drop Steph's newsletter in here.
Even if you aren't currently subscribed, which you should be.
You can read the the posts as as blog posts and then get
subscribed after that so you don't miss any of them in your
inbox. It's fabulous.
Spelled with 2A's. Get it Like fab.beehive.com
Steph always a pleasure catching up.
Thank you for keeping us in line and on the straight and narrow
and all these high stakes leaks. You're welcome.
Have a good night, boys, and hopefully we hit these pickups.
It's this we'll be telling our grandkids about this.
Mike Evans, Dr. That's about to happen, I promise.
Oh boy. Yeah, I'm nervous all.
Right. Good night.
Other stuff, good night. Check in on those.
We hit the the Baker and Shakira.
The last one we threw in there, we hit that little two guy.
Yeah, the little two immediately, early in the 3rd,
that was the little two guys. We call that a little bankroll
builder right there. That's right, little bankroll
builder. That's a little bankroll
builder. What do we put on that little
two guy and Baker? Little 100, Little 100, Little
$300.00, Little 300. Dollar hit?
That's a little bankroll builder.
The The Godwin's looking good. The one I'm most worried about
from the second-half is this. James Cook 40 yards.
We need, we basically need a screen pass that he bus and
then. Obviously he can do it.
Boom. There he goes.
There's three yards. Love it.
Gabe Davis is playing the Gabe Davis role and the Dawson Knox
role in getting all of that. It's amazing.
So we still have. Kincaid's sticking on four,
right? We need one more, which is a
push, but we're we're out for blood.
Yeah, we also need Evans to hit. We need Evans.
Yeah, the thing about Evans is he can do that in one play.
I mean, we all That's true, but God, that's all right.
Let's just let's get the Kincaid and just be done with it.
We did it last week with Christian Kirk.
This is Christian Kirk 2.0. Mike Evans gets a 50 yard catch,
goes over. He's one of the guys I would
want for this to be in the spot with like, Oh yeah, yeah,
there's not, there's not many. Mike Evans, like you're like, if
you have to be in this spot with someone, he's a pretty good one
to have when you're down. Like you're gonna get at least
one deep shot to Mike Evans in double coverage, and he's.
Like. 5050 to catch it in double coverage as well.
He's he's very good. All right, Kincaid.
I see him. Find him, Josh.
Oof. Josh found nothing there.
He was looking for his tight end.
I pulled up this ball knowers draft.
I want to show you guys this draft.
I all I remember is the borough double.
I don't remember much else from it.
Chase, Waddle, Higgins, Bruce Burrow, DeAndre Swift.
It has both Kincaid and Laporta. And then Dotson, Gabe, Bateman
Mims hasn't really panned out. And these.
And a bunch of running backs at the end.
This is like our only managed share of Gabe, isn't it?
Maybe I was. I know I was trying to get.
I was trying to get some of these guys to come back.
I remember I played ADP there a little bit.
Bateman did come. Back which was, you know, a a
smash. But I mean, dude, Breece and
Swift and Kincaid and Laporta. I mean like this team should be
good, should it not? It should be.
Well, it might be going forward. I mean, Breece double just like
sunk it early. Right.
It's like not scoring points. It's in 11th place, yeah.
I guess Breece didn't really help early either, but it it
could come back, who knows. I mean, Breece had a couple
games, but. But this is the the time we
drafted Breece for coming out of the bye.
Yeah, Thesis is hitting like pretty much point for point.
It's it's a It's a good one. What do you guys think about
that game environment? Obviously Jets Giants has like a
36 1/2 total, but Breece still looks like he's set up.
Awesome. Breece is set up awesome.
I I think, I mean, Zach Wilson like sucks.
That was my one of my big takeaways in the walk through.
So he was like. The narratives kind of shifted
on him, but it's funny, 'cause like week in, week out, he just
is bad, like, you know, in the advanced stats.
And so that part of it's kind of silly.
We're like, and I I wish that The Jets had realized that
during the bye week and replaced him, 'cause that's gonna that's
gonna hamper Breece for the rest of the season.
But I think they will attack on the ground.
I think the Giants have kind of gotten together more in past
defense than run defense. So I I think Breece will be in
good shape and I think they're gonna feed him.
In a way like they they had him in like a lead back role heading
into the by and I think that if anything he'll probably ramp up.
And one of the cool things heading into the by was that he
finally got used a lot on routes that he was he was going to use
more than two-minute situations. And so you know I was never that
worried that Michael Carter would just be like ahead of him
as a as a passing Outback. Like they don't even like
Michael Carter that much, but it's nice to see.
So I feel I feel pretty good about Breece.
This week it's gonna be he's gonna be a little bit more boom
bust than I was hoping. But that is what it is.
What a bad sack on second and one the.
Wasn't that the end of the? Third quarter, why did they snap
that? Yeah, they have to snap that.
Did you guys see the the Dalvin Cook thing from this afternoon
or He said he was huddling with his Yeah, about possible trade
stuff. It's like what they what the
Bills did is exactly what they said they would do.
Like what? Did they take Dalvin Cook that
was different than what they've done?
No, no, I don't know. It was weird.
They're like, we're gonna let
you carry the rock for the first four or five weeks until he's
ready. I mean, they they said that all.
Along. They said the funniest one of
the quotes was he was like, it's.
Yeah, this is, this is not the world that I thought it was.
Like, what are you talking about?
You signed with a team that has an elite young back.
Like, what did you expect that you were gonna just displace
Breeze Hall Also, like, if you want to displace Breeze Hall,
like, be good, don't. Yeah, don't be horrible.
Like, that's the whole thing about I need more carries to,
like, get into a rhythm. Like, if you need more carries
to get into a rhythm, don't go to the place that has Breeze
Hall, right. Like, go to the box.
Yeah, go to the blocks. Also, like, congratulations on
your rhythm, but, like, you're still not gonna be as good as
Bruce Hall's been. So yeah, you know it's not worth
it to The Jets to like, it's super weird for him to say that,
too. And it's a great point with how
good Bruce Hall's been, Like, unquestionably explosive, making
dudes miss like unblocked defenders of the line of
scrimmage and going for 80 yards like, a few times already.
Yeah, imagine him in a rhythm. That seems like a lot of.
I wanna get him in more time. Let's see what his rhythm looks
like, what he can do after 20 carries.
Yeah, that's what I wanna see. If you put yourself in his shoes
too, right? I would like to give him the
credit of being like, hey, these fellow running backs, no talent
game, recognized game like Dalvin Cook has to know Bruce
Hall as a stone cold baller. And so if that thesis is true,
did he just think, like, you know what, I'm kind of betting
against Bruce coming back off of these injuries.
Like, I just don't think he's gonna have it coming up.
Dude, they gave him the bag. He was never gonna get that much
money anywhere else. He was going around saying I
want 10 million, two years, $10 million a year frustrated.
He has no reason to be frustrated.
He got paid. Well, I think.
Maybe part of it is the Aaron Rodgers thing too, right?
Like, they gave him the bag and Rodgers wanted him, right?
Reportedly, like, Rodgers liked him.
They played in the NFC North together for a long time.
And then now Rodgers is hurt and it's like, I mean, you don't
even have your buddy in, you know, at quarterback.
Yeah, you know. And I also think, like, he, he
clearly blew it. He should have gone to the
Dolphins for like 4 mil, 3 mil, whatever.
Honestly, because like. But the thing that stinks for
Cook is that like he's got tucked there though too.
He he probably, I mean, definitely by a chain, for sure.
And by Moser, you're right. But at least like he probably
would have looked OK out on the field.
And here he's looked horrible and now he's like, he's looked
horrible. That's the tape that you're
going to get from, like when he goes out to teams next year,
that's the tape he's going to have in his hand.
And he knows that's it. Like he's not getting any more
tape now. So I think that's the
frustration. You're like shit, like, I didn't
want this to be my last contract and it's.
I think it's fine for him to be frustrated, like privately, like
everyone wants to be the lead back and get all these carries,
But to, like publicly be like I'm angling for a trade right
now, that is absurd. Yeah, it's pretty bad.
The Bill's about to go for it on 4th and four and show more
aggressive around midfield and show more aggressiveness than
bulls. How about we get this?
Yeah, Kincaid would be great here.
Top of the screen? Yep, they're just trying to draw
them offsides. I think, yeah, The Bucks, man,
they're so scared. They're so cowardly.
I wish they would have went for it.
That would have been really fun. But we do need the bucks to have
the ball. The putt is actually better for
our sweats. I think that's for us for sure.
I mean, for one thing, a push isn't is not as bad as a loss.
So we get, Let's get that app locked in, and then we can.
Right. We got to get the Evans and then
it. I mean, if the Bucks score at
this point, that's when you get more James Cook on the next
drive too. Like get it to seven points and
then they're like we need to get our best back the ball, you
know. Yeah, yeah, when you Evans, we
got to get Evans going. It's a big moment.
Yeah. Got to get some targets for him
on this drive. What else are we looking at?
Is that all we have right now is Evans and Cooks?
What? And K so the Cook Evans one for
the the second-half is is big so it's Cook Evans in the first
half and then just Evans or sorry Cook Evans in the
second-half, Evans in the. Is the fiver from the start of
the game It it's still live, although Rashad White's knocking
at the door 6 yards, but it's it's still the the Evans there
is huge because even if the Rashad White stays lower when
Evans gets there then it still just knocks down to a four leg.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
And then the one other one is Godwin on that.
Yeah, Fiver at half time. Do we do a Fiver at half time
and we need and we need Godwin another two catches, is that
right? Yeah, we need over 6 1/2 and
we're at 5. OK Also, I see you guys in the
chat, some of you got 4 1/2. I know it closed there.
I I will do a plug ship chasing Discord.
We post the pickums in there before we post them on Twitter.
So the ship chasing VI PS are always going to get first crack
at that stuff before it moves. But I think, I honestly think
that line movement was more when that Roto World Report came out
about them having no active tight ends and they push.
But, but we did share it in the Discorda about an hour before
that. We normally huddle around 3 PMI
would say on on Thursdays and get those shared out by 3:30 to
4:00 if you want to get a first crack at what we're doing here.
But yeah, I mean we the the Mike Evans.
Mike Evans is this week's Christian Kirk.
As far as it looks, kind of bleak, but it can get there very
quickly. Exactly 98 yards to the fucking
house. Mike Evans one time.
That's that's it. But first, we need 2 short
Godwin catches. So maybe 88 yards to the fucking
house. That's true.
What's the guy want to tie with? Is that what tie with the cook
stuff? James Cook stuff.
Got James Cook. Let me pull this.
And Evans, yeah, so we need two more receptions on this one.
But it is the cook. The Cook is, he is up to 60.
He had that. Nice.
Run in there. So it's just 26 1/2.
I mean, if we just get one good bucks drive that results in a
score. I mean, we're very live from a
gamescript perspective. I think Cook's gonna get more
touch. He's only at 10 carries.
Like they'll give him another five plus carries, yeah.
Especially if he's, you know, runs the ball well.
I mean, he can get there and they might run a screen to him.
It's weird that he only has one target, one catch so far.
Gabe Davis, 11 targets, 9 receptions.
Who was talking about him being in a worse spot tonight at the
start of this this show how we feel about Rashad Unders.
I mean they they can't run the ball up the middle now, right?
No, I don't know that they really will run.
They'll throw them is a madman. They no, they they can and they
probably will run the ball at the middle.
They're they're just trying to. They're trying to get out of
here, losing by 10 or less. They're trying.
They're basically they're playing to to screw over shof.
That's what they're trying to do here.
They don't care. They're not trying to win.
Baker, Baker, Baker. He took a safety.
His knee was down. Oh, my God.
He just took a safety. Dude, they're gonna review that.
His knee was down before he threw that.
That's a safety. Oh my God, Baker.
You donkey. Oh no.
It was out. The knee was up so close.
It was so close. Look at that.
Look at that ankle strength. Holy cow.
The knee was flexed, but he had it.
Have some respect for Baker's ankles.
All right? Sorry.
Geez, that was incredible. Come on.
Wow. The knee was flexed down there,
but he that was some ankle strength.
Baker. Baker.
Look at those rushing. Yards.
Rushing yards, rushing higher. We're already over that one man
forever. First play of the second-half
and he got it. I I mean the.
Fact that he just. Run like 10 different Baker,
higher rush yards with other random.
Stuff. The fact that he didn't run in
the whole first half and we got 2 1/2 at halftime was like was
honestly a massive gift. He's got 3 carries for 19 yards
and like, I don't know, 15 plays in the second-half. 3rd and
four. It's a big third and four.
We can't have them punting this off right now.
I think Mike Evans would would be a good target.
On Mike Evans seems like a great.
Seems like a good target. He's in the slot, isn't he?
Is that? Yeah, he is.
Big slot. OK, OK Oh yeah.
Ozo, come on, only run 9 plays in the second-half.
Let's go. Watch Evans on this replay
until. He should have broken in.
Yeah, if he breaks in, no one's in the middle of.
The Why didn't he break in? 'Cause that's not the play call,
I don't think. Give him an option route
already. Would have been great if it was
an option. Yeah, it would have worked.
No, you're right. I'm sure that wasn't the play.
I'm sure he wasn't. I think his route wasn't out
all. Right, here's the James Cook
Drive, why don't you? Just break in because he's just
running out because the quarterback also knows his route
and he has to go where the quarterback thinks he's going.
The whole play. He breaks in, the throw goes to
the out right to the defender picks six.
I was over who was it was the Chad Ochocinco.
Just like kind of make it up as he went?
I don't know. Sounds right.
I thought he had AI think he had a reputation for freelancing.
Yeah. Apologies to Ocho Cinco if I'm
wrong about that. There's definitely.
Something his last name. To Ocho, Cinco had a propensity
for improvising on routes. Who?
Would have saw that. Again, Dicks is a guy who has a
has a propensity for that for. Sure.
I mean the name change to ocho cinco is.
One of the most hilarious moves ever done by an NFL player.
His He's won 85 and he made them put Ocho.
He made the NFL put Ocho Cinco on the back.
Like that. Is.
Fucking hilarious. Like, good for Ocho Cinco.
In from a branding perspective, it's stuck like we all say, Ocho
cinco, no one says. Chad, that's his Twitter handle.
Do you guys follow him? I follow him.
I've followed him for years. He's he's a great follow.
You need to follow. He's telling you.
But juxtapose that with. I don't even follow a lot of
athletes, but he's he is one of like I'm going to give, I'm
going to hit him with the follow.
Right now, Robbie Chosen changes his name once every six months
and no one even knows if he just changed it to once.
I mean, that would have stuck Robbie once.
He should honestly just do that. He should just do that.
Do the do the number, do the Spanish number.
Dude. Robbie once sounds fucking sick
too. Robbie once.
Well. It does kind of sound.
Good free idea for Robbie Chosen.
Change your name. To Ron because the Ocho tinko's
so funny, 'cause it's not right, right.
It's isn't it? Like it's not what 85 is.
It is 85. Is it OK?
I thought it was. No, it's what I think it's it's
like it's like saying it's 85 is how.
Yeah, it's yeah. Don't say though is is 11.
It would be very good. Chosen ownsay Chosen 1 Chosen
one, Yeah, I mean that's. Pretty awesome.
I did one, yeah. Ownsay that's great.
Yeah. Robbie Arthega Ownsay.
Is Arthega Whiteside on our NFL roster right now or practice
squad? Probably.
Didn't he try to convert to tight end?
Oh yeah, it wasn't. I think he came to the Seahawks.
He's he's one of the first guys that really like kind of
imprinted like the the emphasize in my mind the importance of
yards per outrun and targets per outrun because he was like, I
was like, Oh my God, like realizing how many routes.
JJR Fig of Whiteside had run as like a rookie, I think, and it's
like a lot like he ran like a lot of routes.
And it was just like never ever darkened.
And I was like, Oh no, dude, it's never going to happen.
All right. James Cook, Dr. Got a half a
yard. Great start.
Going away? Let me pull up his his yards for
route run as a. Rookie.
It was pretty nice. He was a Stanford guy, wasn't
he? Yep.
Dude, do you know?
And you know the other. Let's see.
All right. OK, so I'm going to tell you how
many receptions and yards and touchdowns JJ Rothegar White's
had had. Yeah.
We have to guess. In his rookie season, you guys
are gonna guess routes. All right, so.
So he had, I'll tell you, targets too.
He had 19 targets, 10 receptions, 169 yards and one
touchdown. How many 169 yards?
10. You said how many targets?
19 targets. I always say like a 10% targets
per out run is like as low as they can get.
So I mean it would be like 109 if you use a lot more than 200
routes, that's a really egregious targets per out run.
So I'm going to say 25250, OK? 275.
Jared, thank the white side, ran 312 routes in Israel.
PC targets. Yeah, he had 19 targets and 300.
That's a 6% targets for route run.
That is the yards for out run of 0.54 as a wide receiver.
Incredible. The cardio kink the.
Cardio kink. I love you.
Like I can't. You messed out.
That's right. I pushed it.
You did. You didn't push it.
You still higher. And then it was still higher.
Yeah. Oh, my God.
Yeah, you came up 62, right? I knew I was still gonna
undersell it, but I was like, this is the highest I can
reasonably guess. Oh my God. 19 targets on 300
plus routes. That's so.
Bad. So bad.
Kincaid let's. Go there it is OK.
There it is. But it didn't convert.
We need some Evans. All right.
That's good for us. That was great.
That was ideal. That was very good.
Let's go. OK, we just need Evans now.
That will be telling. Are they, are they going to do,
are they actually going for it? Are they doing the draw off
sides? Thing they're going to do the
delay game, do the draw again. I mean we'll take a, you know,
James Cook blows through the line for 42 yard TD, we'll take
that. This would be bad if they
convert because they're going to run time.
Yeah, you're right. We either need a James Cook TD
or stuff no in between. They're not.
They're. Just they're pun.
They're just. They're not making that very
compelling. Like.
If you they jumped off sides there, that would have just been
on them. Guys, so we're we're, we're
right back in the same like Christian Kirk territory.
Yes, with Mike Evans, like near identical if if we get the Evans
big play and then Rashad stays. I think we're shot staying
under. Like are they going to call a
run? Why would they call a run?
They're down 14 to gallons. I mean they are cowards, so
don't forget. Yeah, but man, let's get the
Mike Evans. Drive.
Yeah, I'd feel better. We talked with White.
We were back and forth between the yards and the carries, and
it was 12 1/2. I'd feel better, obviously, if
we had that. He only has nine carries.
He's not getting 12 1/2. He's not getting it, yeah.
Yeah, I'd feel better about that too, but with part of our.
Yeah, was that he's gonna suck like we were.
Like when we look through this and he's actually beneficial,
this is the best he's looked in weeks.
He's obviously scared of Chase Evans being back.
I mean, let's I would be scared. Well, what you didn't account
for Ben was the light of fire narrative and they brought Evans
back. They talked him up and it lit a
fire. I didn't.
It lit a fire right under Rashad White's ass.
He also has. A long run that got called back
by penalty. I mean, he's been, he has been
legitimately the best. That that I've seen him in
weeks. No, I mean he's he's been
legitimately terrible as a rusher this season.
Like it's it's well and he doesn't even run hard.
It's like it's difficult to watch it's right into.
It's like dancing in the backfield.
But tonight he's been hitting holes decisively.
I've been impressed. Yeah.
He kind of does the thing where he runs up.
I hate this too and Sam Sherman has been just tilting what a
terrible watch for shod White is.
And you're not wrong, Sam. Because he'll run, he'll run
right up to the start of the line, so he's lost all his
momentum. And then he's like, excited
about watching Rashad White. And he's just like, yeah, and
then it's a. One yard game.
Yeah, I hope a hole. I hope a hole opens up.
I hope a hole. It's not gonna open up a shot.
And you're too close to the line at this point to see a hole,
even if it did. Like just.
He's the perfect example of why Sean has argued for a while now
that the SO people think yards before contact is the lying stat
and yards after contact is the running back stat.
Or at least it gets shared that way on Twitter quite a bit.
And I mean it, it obviously the line impacts it.
But he's a perfect example. And then there's there's inverse
examples too, of why the yards before contact stat is a running
back stat like there are running backs.
Who are able to hit holes at? At.
Speed and get yards before contact consistently, even when
it's not necessarily blocked, particularly well they get
there, you know, that's what he said.
So Sean has talked about this. He used to write for PFF really
early in his career and that's when Jamaal Charles was in the
league and stuff. And I think that's when he first
fell in love with the stat because he always talks about
Jamaal Charles used to always be and probably PFF was the only
one doing it back then, but would would always be really
good in yards before contact. That was what?
Charles was like a stutt at and Chris Johnson.
Both those dudes were consistently, like, really high
in yards before contact. They didn't need to break
tackles. They would just like, hit hole
sore. And that's what he loved about
DeAndre Swift this offseason. That's why it was his number
one. Zero RB guy.
Because he's always been great at that and the Eagles situation
and Lion and everything is perfect is perfect for it.
Miles Sanders was really high in yards before, but not in yards
after last year. And was like probably a product
of the Eagles run blocking system and Swift has shown
that's obviously a great. Fit.
You know what's funny about Swift is like when looking at
the the rush yards I were expected on NFL Next channel,
which is probably my favorite of the running back metrics is use
the player tracking data. And just like having tracked
this stuff over the years, I think it's a pretty good one.
That's like, pretty useful, but. Rush roads are expected.
He's not very good in this year and he's usually pretty good in
that. That's like kind of more of your
explosiveness metric. But then success rate is where
he's always been. Shit, he's like a boom bust
runner and that's like one of the reasons the Lions kind of
gave up on him. No, they ran into him.
I'm telling you, man, they're they're total cowards.
This is just he did the thing though.
He saw a defender and he just stopped.
He didn't even try to run through it.
But it was already I didn't get him blown bed or something
anyway, So Swiss anyway. And bad and rushers are
expected. He's a flip.
He's like been, which I think is probably.
Good. You know what I mean, 'cause
you're it's like the long plays will come.
He's explosive, yeah. The fact that he's been
consistent is is a good thing and the long plays will come,
but it is just kind of funny that, like, he's like the exact
opposite profile now. Yeah, that is funny.
But that was sort of my hope with Edmonds and with your stuff
about the line being bad in Tampa was like, maybe Edmonds
will be better yards before contacting what we've seen from
White. But White's been kind of
explored in terms of. Oh, oh, come on.
What was that? Silly me thinking that was the
target for Mike Evans and not Trey Palmer.
So that white run got. Blow dead.
I think it was a false start. Half the distance to the goal.
Now it's it was first and 14. Now it's second and fourteen.
Man, this Buck's offense is just.
Pilot I'm not even hungry for Taco Bell, but I still will
order it if we hit both of these things.
I will too. I'm gonna well, I will send one
to somebody in the audience. I already I already said.
That all right? Whatever.
Rashad. White, get the first Rashad.
There you go. That's good.
We needed that. Yeah, we'll take it.
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Ready, Evan? Seat.
Come on. Yes, yes, no flag.
What's the? Flag don't do it.
There was. Too much time in the pocket for
that to not be a hole. And oh, he sends up, oh, he was
calling for somebody to come on for him.
Fuck that, was it. No fucking way.
God damn it. Are you?
Fucking. That's he just went down that he
didn't pull him to the ground. The D tackle just like lost his
footing. I don't know what a hold is,
honestly. Like that's one area I don't
know. Ball.
I'd never fucking know. But that did not look like a
hole. Somebody who's got the sound up,
tell me if they're saying that's a bad call on the on the
broadcast. Yeah, damn it.
That's it. I'm ordering Taco Bell and
delivering it to the wrong house.
That's hilarious. That did not mention that's.
So fucking. Drunk.
That's the season that did not look to me like a hold at all.
It just letting a guy taking a dive and then they they call it
when you drag him to the ground. But he went down on his own
there. Paul Paul Adair, I played
online. That's a Bush call.
They said he held the jersey. Joe King saying.
These reps don't know ball man. That's as simple as that, that.
Was. That's so bad.
How many? How many yards was that is?
That oh, it was a 5 figure it was enough, yeah.
You think it was over? Yeah, I think it was over 50.
I don't know if it was 50. I think it would have been
honesty. Real close.
That's Chase Evans. Oh man, he just juked himself
out. God, he's so good.
Man, it looks a little like Lashawn McCoy there.
You know how little McCoy would kind of.
That's right, Yeah. You know what I mean?
So. Frat saying it was a 41.
If there's. Any silver lining that would
have gotten us a 48, Which don't get me wrong.
I want that It's not a silver lining at all that that got
called back that would be that would be I would feel let.
Me. Just cope, was it?
48 yards? God, what a shit call.
All right. Evan's bottom of the screen.
Find. A.
Baker Baker is in full on dump off mode right now, especially
on 3rd and four. All right, it's bomb time.
Let's go. This is the way you're saying
that that wouldn't even have put us over Pete?
No, but it would have gotten us really close.
Yeah. That's what I was trying to.
All right, Evan's bomb is screaming, not even looking at
him. Who is that?
Is that Prashad Perriman? Oh, it's your team, Jared.
He wore 18. That's what, $200.00 on the
Showdown slate? He's the guy in my Showdown
lineup. That I learned about for the
first time when I put him in my Showdown lineup.
God is feeding dude. He's not even looking.
He's throwing to. First, read Targets, please.
Yeah. Where's?
Why don't you look at the guy? God damn.
It that was. Yeah, we need to drive.
Brutal. That's what I was doing in my
head too. Tommy, we need.
We went too far forward. Now we need to drive.
We couldn't even get along TD at this point.
There he There he is. That's no that's white.
I thought it was at first, but. Palmer it was.
A Palmer. Not white.
Thanks, Leone. Where is Leoni?
I thought he was stopping by tonight.
He's too depressed. Pills are up like he.
Doesn't have the same source. He he wanted Chase Evans to be
the Val cow back and. Come on.
Exactly. I'm glad everyone's coming
around on this take. Have it's, have it.
Scott Baker looking. Not even looking.
Oh wait, actually, that got us. Did that get us back far enough?
No, not quite. What do we need?
How many yards do we need? We need.
A 51 yard reception. Well, this is only going to be
45 and then we'll get six more next drive.
That'll be great. Just enjoy my take of The Silver
Lining on that night hitting. I'm not.
I've I I've just taken. So much that that was not.
Nah. Wave.
Nah, wave. Guys, take this silver lining.
We still got another drive. They got 3 timeouts.
Like there would still be a lot that would have been big.
Baker. Oh God, they called it QB Draw
and he ran into his freaking lineman Gross.
That was gross. Actually, no.
I refuse to do the silver lining thing, 'cause this would have
smashed all of our second-half ones, I take it all right.
Yeah. Yeah, we would, Yeah, we would
have cleared. All those seconds.
Anyone bring that up? That one's pretty ridiculous.
Yeah. The other ones wouldn't have.
Oh, was there other that? Yeah, we could have cleared all
the second-half Evans on that one play.
But we don't have Cook to get 27.
That's true. Oh, wait, this one right here. 3
picks for 900 at the bottom. Allen Kincaid have already hit.
That was a halftime 10. That's the that's the core.
Yeah, dude, what's the flag? And the other one we did at
halftime has Godwin in it, and we don't have that yet either.
Baker looks lost. All right, they get another
extension on this drive. They're they're actually taking
too much time. I don't think they're gonna get
the ball back, right. They have taken like a lot of
time on this drive. But that that's kind of what I
mean about them being cowards. Like, they're not even playing.
They got the ball with 1005. Yeah, that's 4 minutes left and
they're at like midfield. Like what?
What, what? How have you?
They're not playing like you would play if you were actually
like, they're not snapping the ball with enough time on the
play clock. Like everything is wrong.
Like, how are you running 40 seconds every snap, 'cause
they're trying to get out of here by with with A7 point loss
and and and they're like, ah, we lost the bills, you know, that's
how it goes. At least the clock has stopped
at this point, 'cause we're under 5 minutes, but man, they
got the ball with 10 minutes left.
Oh, you suck. Who is that awesome fucking
Tanner Hudson. Maybe.
Maybe Hudson is Sweeney on that team.
Tommy Sweeney. He used to be on the Bills.
It's funny how, like long random dudes stick Pain Durham.
Like we're gonna hear pain Durham for like 3 more years.
Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah.
Oh yeah, he's gonna be just on some random.
Three years, Three years down the line.
Routes. Did Pain Durham run.
Yeah. God, why are you throwing to
Otten there? You have to score quickly.
How have they taken this much time?
Because they're not. They don't care.
Oh my God, this is like this. Might as well be practice.
This is like a like a the. The clock just caught bowl
coaching. What?
Do we still wait? Is that a whack?
He wants the clock to run down. He.
This is good. They want to score once and go
home. That's what I'm.
Trying to do always look like he's asleep standing up, I don't
think. I've ever seen a move.
Yeah, let's keep taking some time here.
What was that I would call intentional grounding on that?
I want to call intentional grounding on Todd Bowles.
I want to know who he was trying to throw that to 'cause I think
he was just. Throwing that in between.
They would have saved 20 seconds and it would have been the same
effect. This is insane. 7 minutes off
the clock on this drive, like they're trying to run the clock
out. Seven minutes and they're still
only at the 40, like they're not close to scoring.
Oh man. Evan's not even on the field.
He's not even on the field. What is this that looked like?
I'm not kidding. That looked like a bitch.
That was like, guys, let's just like, run around.
Let's run around and like, whistle.
Like what I'm doing. That was an SNL skit.
It was it was like, Oh my God, Oh my God.
Did they call another penalty? Oh, Oh yes.
Oh yes. Personal foul face mask.
God damn it. Yes, this continues.
The drive, though, never end, continues.
This is the worst drive I've ever seen.
God, this Bucks team sucks. It really is like it's wild.
So many of these teams that I I mentioned it that I've like ever
seen the Falcons have a full drive because they're never
shown on red zone. Like, I haven't been forced to
watch this Bucks team really at all this year and and I'm just
realizing how painful it is in this very moment.
It's this is the worst thing I've ever seen.
They've actually been interesting.
Some games, but this is horrible.
All right, Evan's top of the screen.
Dude, I'm telling you, a 25 yard Evan's TD is just pure tilt.
I don't even. There it is.
Here it is. There it is.
Oh my. God, why is he rolling to him
and double coverage all game? Oh, I was almost.
So sick he almost caught that. And it wouldn't.
We wouldn't have. Won.
So we need we need 24 yards. Was that a 24 yard reception?
Yeah, easily. OK.
Yeah. Yeah, I think exactly 24.
Oh, that's what we need for the. Would that have been a catch if
it didn't get punched out? Did you?
I think his feet were in. That that look on Evan's face is
how we all feel right now. And now he's out of the game on
2nd and 10 because he had one Sprint into the end zone.
Jesus, he's right at the 24. Wow.
I mean, he was like 30, you know?
What was that? Dude?
Evan's only has three targets tonight.
That's egregious. Well, he also has that target
that was called back. He he Hanna has four and he's
just rolling a safety over top of him every.
Single Time fire Todd Bowles. We need JJ Zachariessen's bet
that we didn't realize Evans was gonna retire before the game.
Evan's not even in on Evan's bottom of the screen every time.
Dude. Baker only looks dude.
Evans wasn't in there, Pat. He wasn't.
I thought he was bottom's cool. I think that was Trey Palmer.
Well, either way, the dude never looks left.
He's not an ambi thrower. Mitch Trubisky But then why have
Evans on the bottom the whole time?
Shocked they are. King a field goal I am too.
That's a great. Goal.
All right, Evans. There there he is in the slot,
but the screen is a chance. There it is for 24.
Is this on the dot At 24? I think it's exactly all the
time out. Two minutes and 51 seconds left,
they're down by 14. This is so embarrassing for
them. It's it's very bad.
They're not even pretending to try to win this game.
Mike Evans TD on Sidekick followed by another Mikey Evans
TD. We all get naked and order Taco
Bell. Who says?
No, I haven't even started narrating the walkthrough.
Wow. And that's normally in my inbox
when I wake up in the morning. Well, it still might be, but I'm
gonna be going to bed late whenever you go to bed.
The Bucks are still gonna be driving.
Yeah, this. Is the fucking longest drive in
the history. What was happening?
I mean, because the clock has stopped a good number of times
have they've had the ball 16 plays for 68 yards.
Evans it is push. It off.
All right, all right. They didn't push it off.
That was offensive. Yeah, OK.
We'll take it. We're we're alive.
We just need them to get the ball back by some miracle.
Oh, my God. That was.
Oh. Oh my God.
That's a great catch. Oh, my God.
What a stud. Good for Evans.
We still need the cook stuff. Look at this push we do.
That's offensive Pi. That's an extended arm, but
we'll take it. All right, so the Buccaneers
have no timeouts, is that right? So they're going to 1 sidekick.
How do they not have any timeout?
How do they burn all the timeouts?
And yes, no, they have 3 timeouts.
They have 3 timeouts. They do.
They They have it in the weird slant on the screen the the
Bills don't have oh oh, walks have all three.
OK, OK yeah. I was like talking Evans.
Clears Evans clears the second app line by 1/2 a yard.
Amazing. So what do we need to get
another hit, dude, Honestly, we we need Evans again.
Evans, we need by far the easiest, yeah.
They're not going to get the ball back.
What do we need from Cook in that one there?
So we need Cook to get 2027. Yards. 26 yards, Yeah, he's just
going to slide. If he gets a first down, there's
no way he's not going to get 27 yards.
We need, we need a three and out and then yeah, we do.
We need a three and out in Evans.
That's right, yeah. Three and out in Evans is our
only Bill Bardwell with a really great tweet.
The Bucks are playing like they actually get to add the 8.5
points on at the end. Yes, yes, thank you, Bill.
That's exactly right. That's exactly what is
happening. They're playing like they
actually get the spread added on to their score.
This Mike Evans game is like a testament to Best Ball where
it's just like you just don't look at it, man.
Mike Evans is just gonna get there no matter what.
Just don't watch how it happens 'cause it should be the most
agonizing sweat. Of your life, so true I've.
Never seen a worse 96 yard, 8 point drive.
Of my life. Even the even the two point
conversion was batted down. It's actually crazy.
Yeah. Jeez, Kevin said Davis didn't
get to see that Barnwell tweet. Sad.
It'd be tough for Davis to win something with Odell Beckham,
man. I know.
Good luck with that. You don't want to be a real,
like like a real badass move from Davis.
And I don't know how he'd ever pull this off, but this is
Davis. This is like a life goal, right?
Figure out a way to like, and it could be like a video game
thing, streaming thing, like figure out a way to do something
with with Odell Odell Beckham, right?
Like, play Call of Duty and like on a team and win with Odell
Beckham. And it's like, there you go,
That's 'cause I don't think you're doing it with him as a
football player. And I think Bill would respect
the bit and I'm blocking based on the effort.
So. Evans caught this touchdown pass
after the ball bounced on the Bill's defender helmet and then
the two point conversion was caught after a tip ball too.
Oh my God. Chad wants to watch Davis play
Call of Duty, so we have that going for us there.
I I could see like. Davis always talks about it.
If you know if he was the one who won BBF 3, I could see Davis
just being like a fucking Twitch streamer that just like plays
video games. It just kind of like shoots the
shit for like 4 hours a day. He'd be good at that, man.
He'd be good at that. You just like throw, Davis.
Get more views than Lenny. See Lenny out here.
It's like 2 people watching his live.
Stream. Oh God, we need a three now,
guys. They just had a penalty and had
to kick off from 15 yards further deep and the Bills could
have got like a really nice return field position and Kolo
Shakira just basically caught the kick and went down.
Like they are not trying to get yards right now.
He could have got to like the 50 and he was like, I'm not
fumbling, I'm just gonna kneel. Honestly, it's like, I'm fine
with just punting it back. Yeah, we gotta get a that's our,
that's our, that's our sweat right now.
Honestly, I I would also take James Cook.
Just like a pure class. No, there's no way it works.
No, no, It has to be Evans, I think.
Yeah. How many yards does he have now?
He's at 31, OK? So we need. 20. 726 yard catch.
Yeah, 27 yard catch to get to 58 yards.
I will say at least. You know, like the Monday night
game. Like if we were doing a ship
cast for Bill's Giants, that would have been fucking brutal.
This is at least. Entertaining.
Thursdays and I honestly, I don't think I enjoyed Thursday
night games as much last year, but the the ship cast is great,
man. This is actually it makes the
Thursday night games, well, even the tilting games are fun,
'cause we have something to tilt.
Yeah, but at least we had, like, some points, You know, like this
isn't Oh, throwing the ball. Get em, get em, get em.
OK. Time out, Time out.
Why are you not calling the time out?
Are they? No.
Do they have? Yeah, he did.
I thought he just ran like 7 seconds off.
The clock. What are they doing that says 7
seconds? What's the point this get get
the time out whenever you can, you know, looking at a sheet
like do I call the time out here or do I wait till the two-minute
warning? I don't know what to do.
Somebody tell me. Do I use a time out?
Somebody tell me. Todd you oh.
No, yeah. I just, yeah, I just look, so
next week is Tennessee at Pittsburgh.
Oh yeah. Well, we get a.
We get a oh, no, dude, We're going to we Yeah, we're going to
try. Yeah, that's perfect.
Who? Soccer.
Dave, what if we get? Yeah, we get.
Yeah. Kitchen on.
OK. That'll save it.
That'll save it for sure. I mean, that'll stay in the
second quarter. That's right.
It'll stay in the second-half. All right, no first down.
Let's just keep a dream alive. Come on, man.
Fuck, that's it. It's not, technically.
Over. But it's it's over.
It's essentially over. Yeah, we do have tons of
options. We got our guy Nez.
We got JJ. Maybe we'll book.
Well, maybe we'll book multiple. Yeah, we got to bring some
Pittsburgh people on, too. That's great.
I know we're like coming up with like random ass reasons to bring
people on for Saints and lines and stuff, but we actually have
like these are fans, people, teams people are actually a fan
of. I I am disappointed that we
didn't. I mean.
A A last minute Baker bomb to Evans would have been electric
it. Would.
Have the Pequot guy with a 78% notch.
So our five pick, we hit four again, played under it, hit four
again. Man, we've done that twice.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, this thing.
This thing was nice. This thing was real nice.
Directionally accurate. Directionally accurate.
Yeah, this thing looks real good.
Man. Mike Evans, the hold man.
I mean, I know. Well, honestly, he could have
gotten the rest on that, the rest of the drive.
So it's just it's just so frustrating, the hold.
Yeah, that would be hilarious. Get the ball back and.
Immediately head it off to White.
That would be awesome. That would be awesome. 40
seconds. No timeouts.
Or 30. I mean what, 3020?
And then do a handoff. It wouldn't.
I wouldn't put a pass pulse chip C lark saying that 80% Naji
drafter. How does it feel that he's a
millionaire from fantasy? But that's why he's an 80% Naji
drafter 'cause he's. It'd be like past $1,000,000.
Considered do an 80% Austin Ekler.
I don't even think he could have gotten to that if you tried.
I didn't. No, I did not.
But wait, what? Who?
I definitely could have. I just take him with the first
round pick every time. Who's the 80% Naji draft for
that? Some millionaire somebody.
His handle's pequant, he he went to high school with Bind for
Yeah, he won. He won the DK Milli Milli 2020.
The year Liam won won in 2021. Yeah, and he was an 8010 Nazi
drafter. This year, Naji was the guy.
Naji was the guy. And then he drafted a shit load
of him last year and this year got it.
I was on stream with him and and he knows I didn't like Naji.
So he was saying like that was his show and I, you know, which
was interesting, there's not a lot of people stream draftking.
So it was kind of cool, but wow, this is interesting.
I let him draft. They what you had to draft Naji.
I let him do it. He 'cause he was like, he was
being kind of deferential to me of like, oh, we don't have to
draft Naji. And I was like, dude, just
fucking draft dude. They're they're at 4th and one
with about 30 seconds left. They can ice a game, or they can
punt it, risk a block, punt, risk some stuff, but I would
rather pin the. Block I'm if I'm.
The OR if I'm the bills, don't you punt here like I think I'm.
Burning the ball over here, right.
I do not want to turn the they're, they're trying to draw
them off sides. They're going to call time out.
They've done it so many times. Yeah, yeah.
OK. Dude, I think you got a lot.
I don't think you can get on the ball.
They're down or up. Dude, Hey guys.
Are we leaving? Are we allowing ourselves to get
emotionally hurt or are we done? I already did.
I'm already emotionally invested again.
They're too late. They're going to have the ball
and they're going to throw it so.
I'm saying are we just moving on?
Are we going to say thanks, everyone?
Are we going to get emotionally invested in the fact that Mike
Evans could catch? What do you mean there's no
choice? We.
Are emotionally, emotionally invested.
They're they're gonna run more offensive play.
I'm close to checking out, and I'm asking Are we getting
emotionally invested? I am proud of your stoicism,
your ability to appreciate the odds of you.
We're fucking emotionally invested.
We're in. I'm visualizing The catch.
They're gonna play deep coverage.
It's possible to not be emotionally invested.
It's possible to say this game is over.
Mike Evans won't even be on the field.
But fuck it, we're back in. Let's go.
I'm getting Taco Bell. Well, Mike Evans will be on the
if Mike Evans are on the field. I am going to Hill, yes, yes, we
got a touchback. We needed that touchback.
Baker needs room to operate, dude.
The only worry about them being at the One was that's Chase
Edmonds music, baby. What a ground zone we should we
should be calling that. By the way, what do we?
Have. What do we need?
What did we say? 28 yards.
You know what's going to happen? It's going to be end up being
some like Mike Evans, 26 yard catch.
And then there's all this screen past tomfoolery and we're trying
to figure out if Mike Evans still gets the yards or not.
No, you're right. Fumbles.
Yeah, that is what's going to happen.
But what we need to get out of shooting.
Bottom of the screen. Bottom of the screen.
I'm back, baby. I'm emotionally invested.
All right. That's too many yards.
I'm not. I'm back on the 1 foot.
I have to go. The beat was on the other way.
You cock. It's going to have to be even
Hail Mary. He's going to have to be.
He was claiming what, one minute ago to not be emotionally.
Invented and then he goes fake her.
They're going to get him. They're just going to try to get
him to Hail Mary distance. And then and you know who's the
best Hail Mary asset in the entire NFL?
Mike fucking Evans. You might be.
Come on. All right, Baker never, ever
looks to the bottom of the screen.
But that's where Evans is. Look to the fucking bottom of
the screen, Baker. What's he?
What did he do? Whistle.
What was that? Oh, they must have heard a
whistle. Reset the game clock.
What's going on? My my thing's live prior to the
ball being snapped. 3rd and final time out Buffalo.
I just read his lips, all right. My, my white Lancer, Caillou.
Let's not get emotionally invested, I I asked.
You guys said you wanted me to get emotionally invested.
You did. You will.
It's a good thing we said yes. Oh my God dude, That was so
weird the way he was just like, I guess he heard the whistle and
he thought they were going to stop, but.
Tyler, what's new, man? That's.
Look, it's a day that ends. And why buddy Dude Baker Baker
was looking at Evan's dude. He was about to uncork that
shit. Top of the.
Where is Evan's top of the screen?
That's where Baker looks. Man.
Baker loves the top of the screen.
Look he's look to the amazing. Get it?
Amazing. Just wait.
What happened? What happened to you guys
announcement? It's sanity.
You did. We're setting up the Hail Mary
guys. Why?
This is so brutal. If he catches the Hail Mary, I
am gonna go absolutely ape shit. I'm not.
I don't want, like I don't want the Bucks to win this game.
Like, I'm so mad at them. I don't want them to fucking
win. And they do.
They'll win. So there's let's.
But you know what? I'd rather win our.
I'd rather win our pick up. Come on, man.
Yeah, this yard lining question, are we are we getting one play
or two plays here? Knowing Baker, it's one play.
It's got to be one and it's got to be two.
To get you got to get yourself in.
A Yeah. OK.
There's one. OK.
It's closer. Chip in the chair, that play
really didn't. Well, I guess it might matter.
If it's a lateral play, it doesn't hurt.
It doesn't hurt. It shows that Baker remembers
that Mike Evans is a player. On You love to see.
You'll frankly love to see that we need 19 more yards.
I say you just hit Evans for a 20 yard game in the middle of
the field. Call it a night, yeah.
Get out of here with some self respect.
You know he does some kind of underneath thing that Evans
laterals it and we don't get these points.
I will lose my mind. Oh, that's off Slides Free Play.
I can't see it. Nothing.
It's my My thing's frozen. It was just offside automated at
the quarterback and blew it. Dead 5 yard penalty.
All right, I took my bills back home.
It was like, I don't care if I. It looks like it was Von Miller.
He's like, I don't care about these five yards.
I'm trying to get a perfect jump.
It's kind of a smart play. Like the five yards don't
matter, but if you get a perfect jump, you might be able to just
sack him and end the game. Yeah, it's true.
It was actually such a egregious jump that they didn't even get a
free play out of it. Right, exactly.
It was unabated. Can he throw the ball 5 yards is
the question. Hey, they have no safeties back
right now. Bottom of the screen.
Oh God, no way.
Oh my God. Oh.
What? Oh, it just landed.
Nobody even knocked it down and just landed in the middle of
massive bodies. That was a great Hail Mary.
It was a great Hail Mary. You got to get bigger credit
there. That was an awesome Hail Mary.
What is Evans doing? Evan just got shoved off.
He got boxed out by three dudes, dude.
That's Godwin. That's Godwin.
Godwin. Godwin.
Oh, Godwin. Oh, he got pulled over.
Godwin's go the flag. Godwin, you got to make that
flag. I mean, don't throw the flag
because that doesn't even help us.
But Oh my God, if Godwin gets his head turned, he's got to
catch that. Oh my God.
He should have caught it, dude. Holy shit.
Godwin. So catches that.
And you know, McLaughlin or whoever Shanks the extra point.
We go into OT, Yeah. OT for sure.
Man, dude, if Godwin is like actually getting him, like, he
was kind of moving slow If he's getting into a spot and turning
around, he was being held. But like, man, he should have
caught that, Put a little effort into it, buddy.
He's like slowly turning around. He's not even looking for most
of that play. And then the last second he
turns around and doesn't pick up the ball yet.
But like, it's a Hail Mary, Get your butt turned around and look
get a chance. Well, Gretch, you called it
before when we were talking. You're saying the only one I
feel a little nervous about is Evans.
And that was the one. Well, you guys got me in on it.
It was the right call, but man, yeah.
That was brutal. That was brutal.
That was an agonizing sweat. He got there.
That's the second time. By the way, we have lost the
fiver on a play called back by penalty.
That's true. That happened week one as well
with AJ Brown's team. That's twice now that we've lost
the fiver from the pregame, the three and the five.
Both times it was in both, it was in both.
Right on on on yardage gained, negated by penalty.
This is why you don't get emotionally invested.
You post. Brutal.
The other way you got, I'm telling you, I'm either in or
about. You were just trying to make
sure we were in two before you went.
To full full I know you. Know like I need to fully squash
this. Well, he was being a total cock
because then he targeted him the next few passes.
You're right, you're not wrong. It's just the 180 from you were
you were acting like you were going to be able to completely
emotionally divorce yourself. I was gypsy.
Says you can still get Taco Bell.
No, I love that. I did not earn Taco Bell.
I'm not getting. No, I'm handed a cardboard box
and bubble wrap showing up with my Crunch Wrap Supremes.
That did not earn that tonight. I was going to have one of you
DM me your address on Twitter and I was going to send you like
30 bucks a Taco Bell. But not this night.
Oh man. Don't worry guys.
As well as the core Pickamentry, I'm I'm happy to roll over the
Taco Bell giveaway. Oh yeah, yeah.
We'll do the Taco Bell next time, too.
Yeah, the Taco Bell giveaway. Yeah, that was.
I can't. I can't decide if that was fun
or not. I mean, there were elements of
it that were. Just there were elements that
were fun. There's a more satisfying, you
know, like when you're you're sweating your games on the main
slate and it's like death by 1000 cuts and you're slowly
coming to grips with this Sunday just being a Washington.
But here it was just like a fucking quick dagger at the end,
you know, like you're alive, you're alive, you're alive
dagger. I kind of like that.
Forget the quick, the slow, painful death.
Just give me the Shiv right at the end.
Oh. Man.
Let me call, you might feel a cock.
And they chipped. Me fucking chipped me right in
his side, OK? Godwin was trying to look over
the other shoulder and then he tried to spin around.
I kind of give him AI thought He just like had his back to the
play. Like you gotta.
Look. Oh man, anyway.
I'm on another planet. Sorry.
I mean. We.
That's brutal. All right.
Hey, guys, it's been the ship cast.
We appreciate you guys hanging, sweating, tilting, getting
emotionally invested, deinvested, then reinvesting
again with us. Pat's Pat's gotta go record the
walkthrough. You gotta go record the whole
walkthrough, which I don't know how you do that on Thursday
nights. It's incredible.
It's it's normally like almost done and I haven't done any of.
I mean I've written it all so and sometimes I'll save editings
like little edits. For the narration, 'cause it
sort of double S as an editing period.
And I like went back and got like, you know, like Deontay
Johnson, I got like right up his hamstring already did that.
You know, the Tyree Kills shenanigans.
And then I was like, oh, it's, you know, I need to stop
panicking and fix that. So I went back and rewrote that.
So all those types of major stuff is is already corrected.
So I'm hoping it won't take me as long as it normally does, but
but if it does, I'm going to be be a little bit, a little bit of
a tired bore tomorrow. Yeah, and, you know, fantastic
NFL scheduling. We we get no bodies.
You got all 16 games. Maybe don't show that AI at
again. Just don't like, just don't brag
about it, OK? You you fucked up.
All right. You you make the mistake.
You own the mistake. Don't tell me.
Oh, we're so smart. Look at our technology.
How we couldn't have done this without it.
You. Yeah, it probably couldn't have.
Because it's the stupidest thing I've ever seen.
Gretch, you said you're going to go narrate your Arthur Smith
intros from this week. Right.
Now. No, no, no.
Look, look, guys, I don't know if you guys know how the world
works around here. I don't know if you've seen the
grassy Knoll. I don't.
Climate change, Yeah. What is your take on climate?
Change. Why is he always moving his
hands? Well, you see him, he's someone
must have told him because he was gripping at that
confidently. I don't move my hands.
I'll tell you, I'm on my hands. You know how the world works.
There's a cabal. I mean, you, you know, there's a
cabal. There's a cabal.
Are there? It's like probably run by your
dad. All right.
Like a NEPA, baby. All right, before we get
political, we're gonna. Sign up here every Thursday
night. We'll be back next Thursday for
Titan Steelers. We did almost get political
there. We did.
I gotta cut it off.
We got to cut it off before we alienate everyone.
It's time for our audience to. Arthur Smith.
I wouldn't vote for Arthur Smith.
That's all that's his fault. There's good people on both
sides. We'll see you next week.