Oh, hi. Welcome to windy and very sad
Buffalo. I'm Mike Shope for ADP chasing
here the morning after the championship games.
Buffalo in a state of mourning, if not also one of shock.
That's another great season. And short of even a Super Bowl
appearance, there's a term here for the period right after the
Bill season and it's called hockey season, which if you
don't follow the NHL is actually more depressing still for people
in Western New York. We'll, of course talk through
yesterday's games. Look ahead to the Super Bowl and
the big board open for 2025. So why have there?
Why let there be ADP without our chasing it?
That's from Pat. Our heroes Pat Crane and Davis
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Compared to our crystal ball. Close your eyes, you know all
your entries are going to lose anyway.
Yeah, that's fair. This is a douche von show.
It's. Anti cabal.
It's anti the best ball thought leader.
I'm obviously lying to some degree because like, I have a
lot of both of these guys. It's the most disgusting.
Thing you can make but. Man.
Pat, you don't follow hockey, right?
No, no, I don't so. Will this seem intuitive?
The Sabres have missed the playoffs 14 years in a row,
which really should be mathematically impossible in
hockey. Especially because they've had
the number one pick a bunch of times.
They've picked yeah top. Why is that more mathematically
impossible than in other sports? Because of the variance that the
goaltender provides. For one thing, like in
basketball, the better team is going to win what percentage of
playoff series? Like like LeBron Lebron's
equivalent in hockey could maybe tilt you over the season, you
know, I don't know, 5% extra wins or something like it really
is. It really is like for in terms
of variance, not not sure you're going to find a more high
variance spot. Yeah, it's easily the all time
record and they're headed for another they're like 3% or
something to make it this year. So they're headed for another
one and just, you know, hockey season.
It's a it's a pop very popular sport in Buffalo.
But man, these days with the Sabres.
Enough about them. Did you like my my prop by the
way, Davis? I do.
Like, I like.
I just this is a technique clearly of you take pain of the
Bills, deep, deep pain the next day after the wound, and you
pretend the real pain is about some hockey team.
Yeah, we understand. No, that that's good.
That's true, right? Pretend it doesn't matter as
much as it really does. Yeah, Yeah.
What I really care about is the Sabres playoff streak.
That sounds like me. I immediately do that for
anything in life. Like, oh, well, I didn't really
want it that bad, which I don't think is great, but that is how
I do it mostly. Yeah.
Well, I what? What I'm personally just to get
into that game, not excited about is another eight months of
trying to figure out what they need to be to be different or to
to win next time. Because it really shouldn't be
inevitable that Kansas City wins every year.
I mean, they had a for them, a trying season, but for me it's
that they did not have and we knew this and we talked about it
a lot. They did not have the go to guy
down the field in that offense. Anything you know they.
They traded they traded the go to guy because of this is what I
mean. You can tell me this is this is
what Liam told me at the time was that Worthy doesn't make any
sense for the Bills because it's cold and he doesn't win jump
balls. And you want big strong guys to
play in the cold in the playoffs who can win jump balls?
I mean, honestly, they could have taken, you know, if they
traded down a little and taken Lad Mcconkey.
That's. Gotta say, how about Lad
Mcconkey? That's the guy you wanted?
Not worthy. He's he's a star.
Both teams? That's actually so funny.
Both teams passed on LAD. Mcconkey So there's a star
sitting right there, you know, but you know, of course the
Patriots traded off that pick a bunch of teams missed on on not
grabbing LAD, but Jalen Polk got to trade off LAD so you can get.
Jalen Polk, Eddie Mitchell. When when you just could not
find a more Patriots wide receiver than Vlad Mcconkey.
Like it's 2025, we're not doing woke anymore.
Vlad Mcconkey was born to be a patriot, all right?
It was just just huge organizational incompetence to
have not gotten. That yeah.
Well, process, process. Wise I just I thought they were
fine in what they did and you have other other guys like
Mitchell. And I mean, you're, you're
readable, you know, you know, I, I think it's sometimes books
can, can change lives. And imagine if instead of
trading Stefan Diggs to the Texans, they just bought him in
her excellence, you know, is that so hard?
But it changed the whole history of the franchise.
People have been making this point on Twitter and I think
it's a little bit misguided, like all they just keep missing
on all these first round picks. Well, you know who who missed on
a first round pick? How about Brett Veach picking
clatter? It's Hilaire in the first round
ahead of Jonathan Taylor, for example.
I I think it's not. In fairness, In fairness to
Bill's fans, though, Cloud ever see Lehrer did not let a
critical ball bounce off his bicep to lose this game.
Diddy, Diddy Davis. Well, the Rube, the Rube
Goldberg machine, they fired it up one last time.
And I was sitting there going and I immediately started
thinking of you and how how, how you must be cackling at Dalton
Kincaid. I, I took Dalton Kincaid in a
big board draft about two hours before that game started and
just immediate, like I have to sit with that for 11 months
knowing that I have a fantasy football team sitting there with
Dalton Kincaid on it. I mean, it was.
Rough. Well, we had a long, we had a
long time. I had to talk about this like
they'll they'll want every picks they can come up with to make
that work going into year three, what I think is a little bit
tricky or maybe scary about the Bills looking at the draft and
they're going to draft, what, 30th?
So the last two years their top pick has been a pass catcher and
those two guys went three for 20 combined yesterday.
And Keon, this is going to be totally forgotten for a second
on that final drive. His last catch, he tried to cut
up field like Mark Andrews. He he, he for a second he
thought, oh, I can stay in bounds, which, you know,
obviously would have been a nightmare.
And then once he realized he couldn't, he was bigger than the
defenders. So he was able to pull himself
out of bounds. But he almost had a huge
catastrophic keep the clock going when they didn't have any
time to keep the clock going. Error Mike because they didn't
give him enough responsibility this year.
Xavier Worthy started week 1. Keyon Coleman was in a rotation
with Marquez Valdez scaling to start the season.
I think a good lesson to learn if you're a Super Bowl serious
team, your first round pick is not a rookie.
Your first round pick comes in ready to contribute right away.
You can't treat these guys like reserves.
And those wide receivers, to varying degrees, were ready to
play or not, at least so we thought.
And it's kind of the Bills way to play, to play it slow like
they did and they thought they justified it by, you know,
Coleman wasn't ready to contribute.
Then they trade for Cooper and he kind of does nothing the
whole time. Cooper Yeah.
He just was done, which I was surprised by.
I thought that was a very astute trade, but he he just had no
juice. Well, to finish the earlier
thought it it what's scary to me is somebody that always wants
them to have this you know, go to guy in the passing game is
are they really going to after that game and another Patrick
Mahomes dissection of their defense go wide receiver or
tight end with their first pick for the third year in a row I.
Mean not if McDermott has anything when.
When they lost, when they lost their in 2020, the AFC
Championship, they drafted edge rushers 1-2 and thought that
would be the difference. They still couldn't get Mahomes
to the ground. And so I I don't know at this
point, it's too, it's too recent.
Like what the move is? It's.
Also, it's not a good wide receiver class if you need a guy
in the the back end of the first round.
Like it's a really good one if you need a guy in the third
round who can play though, so maybe that works.
Out sure, I guess I don't even think it's a really good one
from that perspective. There's guys but like I'm who
are who's I guess we're about to do the wide receiver show, but.
Nick Nash, you are Buffalo Bill. That's not going to move the
needle. I I just, I mean there's there's
dudes like I think Matthew Golden could go like late 1st
and he'd be kind of interesting, but it's not like any profile.
It's not a super deep wide receiver class.
I mean, and there's also not like I think the best move ever
was was what the Eagles did you just go trade the first round
pick who becomes trail and Burks for A.J.
Brown, right, Because it didn't have to become Burks, but it's.
Very wise, Pat. It's.
Very. Yeah, go.
But is there a guy like that? I was just trying to run through
my head like you probably can't get like CD Lamb, but that's
like the type of. You don't know Brian
Schottenheimer, 32 year old Dak Prescott?
I don't know. I think that's the type of thing
I'd be trying to do. Like just you need like a star
or like if there's any. Way you can get Ian Coleman is
his cousin. Kian Coleman is CD Lamb's
cousin. Yeah, I mean, the the iuke thing
would have been Garrett Wilson. Garrett Wilson.
That's a perfect one. There you go.
Garrett Wilson's a perfect one. His enemies His enemies are both
holding knives and not speaking kindly.
Garrett Wilson. These have knives and are just
like saying he stinks. But is Woody Johnson going to
allow a trade to the division rival?
No. We, no, we covered this last
week. Woody Johnson does not have any
clue what's going on with his football team, right?
Now, no, he does. He has too much of A clue.
His sons are named Brick and Jack, and they run the
organization. Didn't he?
He literally is a Trump cabinet ambassador.
He is in. No, he wasn't.
He he wasn't reappointed. He got snubbed.
Yeah. OK, this changes everything.
It's it's not early, he. Thought he was going to give it
back and he's, he's, he's pissed off.
He's a pissed off medal Simoner. It's the worst possible
situation. Are they going to do?
Sons who read Jets blogs and then tell their scouts who to
draft it's and then they literally say can't trade for
Jerry Judy because matter of raining isn't high enough.
I I promise you to you will enjoy the athletic article on
this. It is good.
I, I mean, I, I, I remembered it, but I basically discounted
it because I thought Woody Johnson would be in the Trump
cabinet again. He thought so, too.
Yeah, OK. Yeah.
I think we'll be talking about whether they should pay James
Cook a lot because of all the teams that spent up on running
backs. And here's Cook who went for 19
amazing play for his touchdown yesterday on the 4th down run.
I've already heard a couple places.
I did a Toronto show this morning.
They're like, why didn't Cook get the ball on the last drive?
And so he's hurt. He was hurt, so he.
Came off, he came off and got checked.
Like he had his hand. Was it hand or wrist?
Maybe? Yes, I remember that now.
There was something. I don't, I don't know what it
was, but he came off and then Ray Davis fumble again and four,
four balls on the ground by the Buffalo Bills yesterday,
recovered 0 by the Kansas City Chiefs.
Ray Davis came in fumble, recovered his own fumble which
then I believe proceeded the 4th and short that was called a non
conversion. I can't.
Remember the next? Sequence.
Yeah, I can't remember the exact that drive by the way, this will
hear everyone. You can get your annoying Kansas
City and then we can we can move on and we can get to some ADP
after this. A nine play 29 yard drive in
which your goal is to get to 4th down every single time.
Yes. Did Allen probably get the first
down And like, if we scaled it at an atomic level and we could
see which mitochondria of the ball got over the line and which
didn't. Yeah, he probably did.
He also got picked up and carried 7 yards behind the line
of scrimmage. So how much do you want to rule
forward progress? But how about this?
How about you're Josh Allen and you're the Bills and you've kind
of been kicking their ass. Why don't you just go kick their
ass? Why are you trying to go 3 yards
at a time? It doesn't make any sense.
You're Josh Allen go go make stuff happen, dude.
The the the two biggest plays of the game on the third down to
the touchdown to Matt Collins and then the third and 13
conversion. Matt Collins didn't look like
the Chiefs had a hope against those plays.
It's like Josh Allen could do this all night.
And then they just were like, Nah, no cooking.
I. Mean Mike, I know this isn't
this you know I'm calling from from Buffalo now and this is Pat
from Buffalo going you. Want to talk to the bulldog
instead? Yeah, we got to the Bulldog.
Yeah, They gotta get rid of McDermott.
What are we doing? What are we doing is holding
them back? He's holding them back.
They're never going to get over the top.
You want to talk about a broad receiver?
There's no wide receiver. So we're going to pick.
We're picking too late. We can't get any wide receivers.
The only thing we can do is get rid of McDermott, put a guy in
who's actually going to maximize the quarterback.
What do you think? All right, I'll hang up.
Take my answer off. I'll take my answer off there.
I'm, I'm of course, I mean, I started, I told you last night,
that started last night. The first caller to the postgame
show who got through with the, that Screener puts the call
through and it says on the screen, blow it up.
The first, the first guy who got through wanted to blow it up.
I don't know what, what do you think?
Like they're not going to do that.
You see? Well now I'm just curious about
how radio works. You see their label, someone
label someone takes the thing and gets a vibe for what the
person wants and then labels the.
Call right? What?
What the point is? What the main point of the The
callers, You know what they want to say.
It's a Yeah, it's. You beautifully pick.
Yes, hello, blow it up. Yeah.
Well, you know it's going to there's going to be a pretty
good range. There's going to be a pretty
good range. But I do think Cook will be
interesting. I would guess he gets he's got
one year left, but I would guess that they.
They should. They should pay him.
They also should fire McDermott. They never will.
That's just not. It's not.
Really, I think they situations work.
I think they should fire McDermott too and just promote
Brady at this point because. No you you want new juju in this
building bro. You you do want new Juju, but
Brady, Brady gives you a more direct answer to like the the
question, right? Like if Brady is he's hired to
like take the offense to the next level, right?
If he doesn't do that now you fire him and you bring in a guy
on the offensive side to to pair with Josh.
I just, I feel like he's a stepping stone potentially.
And maybe, maybe it's a dumb idea because you don't have that
much time to waste, but like, at this point in the cycle, who are
you getting if you were to fire McDermott?
And they won't. And the juju is the thing I
think they value the most about everything they have, right?
The whole season was kumbaya. The whole season was we didn't
need Stefan digs. I mean, it's fair to point out
digs in these big playoff games kind of been a no show anyway.
Cost them last year against the Chiefs.
Allen, on the last drive of last year's playoff loss, went 6 for
9. He went over three targeting
digs on that drive, including a bomb that was like right in his
hands. And digs, of course, in his way,
gets up from that play, he's like a little bit of a better.
Pass. Can I, can I tell you why Sean
McDermott has absolutely got to be out of this building?
There are two reasons. The first being he clearly is
the sort of nervous neurotic that impacts the team.
That first drive, the two sailed.
Allen passes. Guess who doesn't ever do that?
Championship teams you. You don't have you don't have
your quarterback so nervous. He takes his eyes off the snap
on the second drive, which Josh Allen did.
And then the second reason they go, they do the halftime
interview and they ask him, you know what, what are you going to
do? What's going to change?
And he's basically like searching for an answer.
And then he's like Kayer Elam just has to play better.
He's just got to find a way. And it's like, bro, this quite
literally your job to make sure that he doesn't have to find a
way. Your job is to use the personnel
that you have to make that man's life easier.
You got to hide him. You got to do what you got to
do. You got to come up with some
blitz packages. You got to figure out something
with your safeties. You you can't just say we got to
play better, man. That is, that is just so poor.
In my opinion, just much easier said than done against that team
in that in that stadium. Just I mean, they lost their
their best corner in the game, Benford to a concussion and they
played without a starting safety.
Is it his job? Yes.
And the the story of these playoff games has been the
Mahomes has kind of done whatever he wanted.
They finally cleared 30 points. Isn't it interesting, by the
way, too, that Lamar Jackson in the Buffalo game was very
similar to Allen yesterday? Kind of a a couple of messy
moments, turnovers, of course, you know.
Baltimore, I, I think the same thing about that organization.
They're they are they get too tight in the playoffs.
They they all everyone in the Ravens and the Bills.
That's kind of the Bengals superpower is they their coach
is such a moron that there's nothing to get right about.
Zach Taylor is so clueless that they don't even know to be
scared. I think is.
Well then what? Then how do you explain Jared
Goff's meltdown? He's just not very good, right?
There's got to be. There's got to be an answer.
Like Goff got, it's like the
13th best quarterback in the NFL and then we all elevated.
That is true. No, that that's very true.
That's fair. Yeah, a good old passion.
That's fair. The the thing with McDermott is
that I understand what is going to happen is not what I think
should happen. So I'm not.
It's like, you know, I'm kind of shouting into the the void here.
But the reason I think that it would be really smart for them
to get rid of them at this point and promote Brady is that I
mean, you're keeping continuity on offense, right?
The other thing is that Brady was, you know, he was part of
the the cycle this year to get, you know, if if Cohen had stayed
with the Bucks, he might very well have be the Jaguars head
coach. You're going to lose Brady most
likely, right? And unless it's a disaster next
year and they fire him. But wouldn't you rather, if
that's going to happen, have him be the head coach so that you
can fully reset? It would suck to have it be a
disaster and then Sean McDermott hiring your next OC so.
You know, the, the, the sorry, Pat, the, the comp is to Dabel
who was here and we had the same conversations four years ago
about him and. Then they.
Fired. They fired Dabel's replacement.
That always made sense to me, too.
But I don't think Dabel comes off at all as somebody who's fit
to be an NFL head coach. He's just, you know, he's got
the offensive brain. So that again is what you don't
have. To dabel or what?
It Dabel over Brady for me. No, it's OK.
So you're saying, you said you don't think Dabel comes off as
a, did you? Mean as a coordinator?
Yeah, no like that. That was the argument then and
the the the bills so pride themselves on the, you know, the
efficiency, the organization, like there's never they're
they're pretty clean. So that's what McDermott is, you
know, in a general sense kind of offers them and yeah, does there
have does there have to be, does there have to be traffic?
Sorry, Patrick is. Hired by somebody else and then
you're going to you're going to be stuck with whoever the next
Ken Dorsey is. It's.
Maybe, yeah, maybe maybe that happens next year.
I don't think there necessarily has to be traffic either with a
the head coach. I'm not I'm not Mcdermott's
biggest fan, by the way, but that he's a defensive coach.
Does the offense run any more efficiently if Brady is the head
coach of the team and not the offensive coordinator?
Like does that have to happen? What you you needed this defence
to show up in that game for the first time and they really
didn't. That's also that's.
Like, these are, these are all just weighted coin flips really.
And one team has Mahomes and the other one doesn't.
So that's like an extra 5% to the weight.
And sometimes it's really just that simple like that.
We can, everyone can cope and see, then come up with their
reasons. And Josh Allen's greatest crime
was being born in the same generation as Pat Mahomes.
And there's not really any shame in that, you know, it just is
what it is. If you have a a defensive head
coach where the defense isn't good and you're starting to see
a carousel form at your offensive coordinator spot,
that's one of the worst spots you can be in if you have a
franchise quarterback. Like it's just it's just they're
stuck. Like I think they have to they
have to get rid of McDermott at some point because they can't
like they they're not be able to hold the offensive coordinate.
I mean, the bucks are are in the same spot.
Like, wouldn't they? Like if you gave them truth
here, I'm like, who would you rather be the head coach right
now, Bowles or Liam Cohen? You'd rather have Liam.
Cullen. Yeah, it's it's a tough spot
when like even if the defense is good, which the Bucks defense
wasn't, wasn't good either, like these defensive minded head
coaches and the defense isn't there.
I understand there's like organization building and kind
of the CEO stuff and that's, you know, there, there is something
to that. It's not nothing, but it's it is
tough to just like be at the mercy of the rest of the league
and kind of who your offensive coordinator is.
You're constantly losing that guy.
Understood. Your dog Murphy, right?
Murphy doesn't seem to move. He he or she has not.
This is not the first time they're hearing all these
arguments from you. Just not.
Careless about whether or not Mcdermott's in.
Buffalo, evidently all right, thoughts on the other game Like
just I my beautiful gauntlet team lost by 6 with oh.
Sorry man. Daniels, Barkley, Worthy and
Maclaurin. I mean, could I have asked for
any more? I got a touchdown from
Maclaurin. I got.
I got there with. Worthy cream hunt.
Are you in or? Yes, it was.
The other guy had Hertz, Hunt and Goddard.
We both had Kelsey that we didn't use and I didn't get
anything from Pacheco or Brian Robinson.
So 96 points, not good enough. That really hurt.
I really wanted that. Yeah, that team was sick.
Mahomes on it, too. I'm watching Daniels put up 25,
I think it was, and thinking to head to the late game, like
Mahomes is not going to clear that probably.
So, you know, I'm kind of stuck with that number.
And he didn't, right? He didn't get to that.
I had two Russian touchdowns. He he had to off right?
I don't. Think I counted him against
Daniels? Maybe, but.
I, I'm just, I'm so tilted about playoff basketball, like all my
most drafted players, my most drafted combinations, just
absolutely like every team I drafted was Eagles, Chiefs.
I had like think I had an eagle on 45% of my team's total.
Just misery. Like I'm just tilting.
Like just say actually tilting my face off.
Just so so annoying. You're right, Mahomes got to 30,
so you're right about that. Yeah, 22 watching.
Touchdowns saw that was Mahomes is 4th designed rush call called
by Andy Reid since the knee injury against the Broncos in
2019. They've all all gone for first
downs or touchdowns, all all four of the called rushes, which
is pretty interesting. I got a let's move on.
I Davis, you know I love you, but you you're the the gloating,
the just the the sheer joy emanating from you about the
Chiefs win. It's it's it's.
It was really the moment it was Kincaid that dropped the pass
man, yes. I literally thought of you.
I was like, I can't believe this is happening.
Like Davis must be so happy right now.
We. We will.
Let's do. Some ADPI got to correct myself
again really quickly. First, though, the team I
thought beat me is not the team that beat me.
The team that beat me was Daniels, Barkley, cook Ertz and
Kelsey. OK oh Cook.
Gotcha. Damn.
Zacker. Cook 22.
The Eagles. Eagles turns out building a
roster from top to bottom that's absolutely stacked is good.
Just like beyond stacked, just like all pros at every position.
Turns out that's good. Turns out being in the NFC is
good. Also also NFC, yeah.
Yeah. All right, let's go next year.
What are we looking at so far? What have you?
What have you guys seen so far? Well here this is.
I just want to do this first I've done 3 drafts, 2 on stream
and then a little bored I I've taken hunter every time that.
I've taken him a couple times too.
There there, there is literally 0 downside at wide receiver 73
ADP 169. Like guess what?
A lot of the guys you take at wide receiver 73 are zeros
anyway. Like, just like Stone Cold, like
not going to get drafted, going to get hurt on there.
You know there are 11 months before the money week, you know.
In this tournament. A lot of a lot of stuff can
happen. What are we doing?
All right, that was ADP chasing, but.
I'm not going to rescue you on this.
Let's let's just say we, we wake up tomorrow morning and Travis
Hunter has said, I'm actually just, I don't want to play
corner. I just it's too hard.
Offense looks more fun in that universe.
Where does he go in the draft if he says I don't want to play
corner anymore? And then where does he go in the
big board? So in the NFL draft, I honestly
think that Hunter could be a bit of a faller in the process.
Is it is like because is he going to like our team's going
to be interested in playing both ways, right?
So like if he were just a wide, if you were like literally like
I will not play a snap for you at cornerback, I'm not playing
special teams. I'm just a wide receiver.
He'd still be a first round pick.
I agree. I think it I think it would be a
debate between him and Tet though for the first wide
receiver off the board. I think he would go ahead and
Luther Burden pretty comfortably.
Yeah, I'd rather just have him than Tet, because the physical
tools are so crazy. Whereas like Tet, like I just
kind of know who he is. Ted's more of like a possession
receiver, I think, and doesn't get so much separation.
Yeah, he's Drake, yeah, kind of Drake London.
So I mean, obviously that's that's good.
But yeah, I think he, I think for a number of teams, Hunter
would be the wide receiver one and would still have a strong
chance of going top 10. So, OK, so I mean, let's say he
went like 12th. Now we got the wide receiver
going, going 12th. Where does he go on the big
board? Probably fifth round where
McMillan is right now. Yeah, fifth round, maybe fourth,
end of the fourth. So yeah, it's a huge value game.
But The thing is like, OK, Counter, that's not gonna
happen. He's probably gonna play corner.
But what if a wide receiver on his team gets hurt?
What if, what if at the end of the season, they're just like
having him fill in more at wide receiver, you know?
Like he's just like he's on a crappy team and they're just
like, I don't know, why don't you go run some routes?
You don't have to practice. Why don't you just go run some
routes, Travis? Hunter's got like a 50% route
participation, maybe 60, and he's just like drawing targets
at a really high rate. That would be awesome.
Like this is a price where one spike week in week 1516 or 17
immediately pays it off. And, and it's going to be gone
like immediately by like next week, it's he's going to be like
a tenth round pick. That's where I thought he was
going to go. And there is like, that's a real
uncomfortable price. But I mean, this, this dude is
one of the most unique special players we've seen in college
football like ever. Why aren't we being asked to do
something uncomfortable? I think he started with no ADP
and so you kind of had to know to draft him.
And so I do think I think you're right, dude, he's going to
continue to rise. He's like, he hasn't been like a
a star at the beginning of the draft type player for me.
He's been someone I'm I'm taking when I think the wide receiver
room I'm building can afford a straight 0.
But yeah, I I do think it's. Arguing well, all my all my
teams I've drafted thus far can afford a stone 0A wide receiver
and desperately need something to happen at running back.
The the, the overreaction, the overreaction at running back.
I mean it. I I knew it was going to be bad,
but this like some of this stuff is crazy.
Dude chase around Bucky with Joe Mixon.
I'm I don't mind the Bucky 1 so much.
Bucky's fine. Bucky's fine.
I think honestly, Breece Hall going in at 30 I think is a big
opportunity. That's like way too late.
This dude is a really good pass catcher.
He's gonna be 24 next year. He's got side Mixon going way
ahead of Breece. Strikes me as like people have
lost their minds. Like, Mixon's not good.
He's I think it'll be 29 next year.
He's very dependent on, you know, the an offense that was
like built around him. Hey, did they fire their OC?
Did that? Did that fail?
You know, like, was that, was that an abject failure?
I can't remember. So not to say that Nixon won't
get work, but like this dude has a lot of downside risk in a
class where there's a lot of really interesting running
backs. You know it it'd be different if
it was like last year's running back class, but Mixon's a dude
where you could see them drafting a guy in the second or
third round and by the end of the season his role is
drastically different. I don't think he's got the mote
from like a talent perspective that some of these other backs
going in this range do Mixon's. I was just like really surprised
for him. I mean, if you look on FFPC,
Mixon's going more like at the 4-5 turn.
And that's not a site that has any issue drafting running
backs. So this just strikes me as like
a really bad initial ranking slash initial ADP that kind of
locked in that ranking. That's that's one I've just I
some of the some of the running back prices I think are fine.
But I do think that there's, there's some stuff here where
you're like, oh, that's an easy fade.
The issue for me is the first and second round running backs
look good and then the like 6th and 7th running backs look good
but like that just means I'm going to end up drafting a shit
ton of the same team again you know?
Yeah, I think the the first and second round running backs look
pretty good. But you know what, there's like
I I like drafting. Another guy I'm really into
right now is Kenneth Walker. Yes, yeah, Walker.
Would so late, Yeah, he's still lead back.
The offensive line stinks. There's quarterback uncertainty.
There. Should be a discount.
Another another Yeah OC. And A and a huge, potentially
good one. Everyone was everyone was saying
Clint Kubiak's the new, he's the hot head coach hire and and then
everyone died. Everyone in New Orleans got hurt
and and they stunk. It's like, wow, that that's
pretty predictable. Yeah, so I mean that.
I mean, he liked, he was running the hell out of the ball in New
Orleans. So I I think Walker, I don't
really get Walker's pretty young.
Chardonnay is good and, and I, I don't have any issue with
Chardonnay's rather juicy ADPI mean he's he's a, he's got
awesome contingent value and I think he's pretty good and maybe
he forces more of a split, but I think even if you bake in some
of that downside with Walker and there is downside, he's still a
target for me. I I think this is a really nice
price. Here's my my great prediction.
This isn't even that good of a prediction.
I think it's pretty obvious the Rams are going to take somebody
and the the Kyron Korum experience, like Korum feels
like he's already entered into the there's so many of these
guys. Like what I was, I was trying to
come up with the best, you know, rookie running back.
We all like to immediately goes to 0.
You know, it's Ben, Ben Tate. Maybe I I don't.
I mean, there's been how about how about how about Daryl
Henderson? How about he's just Daryl
Henderson again, you know? Yeah, or.
Just just gets erased. Trey Sermon.
Trey, Trey Sermon. Yeah, I think yeah.
Videl, come on, come on. E Videl.
I mean, yeah. Yeah, for real.
Yeah, just absolute, absolute 0. I could see that with Quorum.
Yeah, I, you know, the tricky, the 22 tricky guys are Chase
Brown and Carmen Williams. Because if they don't have
anything major happen, they're smashes.
But if they do, they go to 0. They could go to zero and chase
Brown. You know, he just is the the
profile of guy that has the one crazy year and then just like
immediately the team doesn't care.
Like we've seen this happens. No one was a bigger Chase Brown
sloppy than me. Truly, no one was and I just I
think it's so unlikely that they, a round five guy this
year, could just out carry him, you know?
Well, what I what I want to be doing is trying to figure out,
trying to predict where the the puck is going in terms of like
the scheme and the personnel. And if I were Cincinnati, it
would just say like, well, offensively we were kind of
perfect. We'll see what happens with T
Higgins, but I would just sort of chalk that up as a win and
not focus on it. Running back is running back
anyway. There's a day three pick that's
going to land there probably. But I would want to go into the
season expecting maybe not to the quite the same workload, but
expecting, you know, Chase Brown to work out for me and not be
instead thinking about ways to mitigate that.
I know, but that's like it just doesn't happen.
Like these teams, they hit on guys like the Panthers hit on
Shuba Hubbard and then they're like sick, let's drop Jonathan
Brooks in the second round. Like these the teams.
It's a weird thing. Like a team that values having a
running back. Also like often values running
backs. Running backs.
And so then they take a running back.
You know, it's like, yeah, you did it, you got a running back.
You don't need that one now. You you check the box and that's
not how they view it. I mean, Kyron himself is
actually a great example of this.
Kyron smashes out of nowhere, totally unexpected.
He's like the best player on the team.
And then they take Korum and they don't, they don't end up
giving Korum the ball because Sean McVay kind of can't help
himself. But Kyron himself is is is
actually the best example of what we're talking.
Phillip. I mean, Phillip Lindsay's the
one I always go back to. Right, Phillip Lindsay.
But they go it's like, hey, that was awesome.
We loved that. We loved hitting on a running
back. What if we got?
That from a more expensive player.
We. Don't.
We don't want to go back to when we didn't have a guy we loved.
Let's take another guy just in case this guy goes to dust.
We have like another guy. It's like, I'll just take the
gift, man. James Robinson, who was so good.
And then it's ETN in the first round, I mean.
Yes, literally. I mean the like this is truly a
mini such cases thing. There's so many cases.
There's so many cases, even the Damien Pierce.
Damien Pierce smashes, smashes and they say Devin Singletary.
Come on down, brother. Well, that's that's that's more,
I think at least they didn't draft.
They brought in another that was actually Damien Pierce sucking.
They gave him another run. Algier, Algier, Algier.
Oh my God, That's Bijon. Bijon.
Yeah, Bijon Algier. That one's crazy.
I mean, the the Cardinals, they draft, they get James Conner.
They're like, we love James. Oh my God, we can't.
We couldn't love a right? Back more.
Yeah, let's take Trey Benson out the third round and then not
play him and have no interest in playing it's.
It's It's actually only because the 2024 running back class was
bad that Isaiah Pacheco didn't fall victim to this.
It really was only just because the the there was no one that
was a great scheme fit for the Chiefs in the draft last year
that that Pacheco was not immediately replaced.
Well, let me get your thoughts on this 'cause I, I think when
when the big board opened, I think the very worst click in
the entire pool was Pacheco, I believe had an initial ADP of
like 45 or something. We have him at 111.
I don't understand. So the issue there is if it
really is Clyderwood Solaire situation where Tony Pollard
situation where he's just not healthy from this broken leg and
he comes back and he's healthy next year then.
There's no pedigree though, like once you get passed by Kareem
Hunt and you're on a Super Bowl, potentially 3 peeding team, like
you know what your seventh round pick like they're in a in a a
pretty loaded running back class in terms of depth.
The floor here is. The, the, I mean, he's got the,
he's got the same floor as Chase Brown.
No. No, he's got a way.
He's got a way lower floor. I mean, he he could he could
conceivably like be the running back three next year.
Yeah, the Kansas City is a a stone lock to take a running
back because P Ryan is 30 whatever, probably just not
going to be on the team. And I assume that Hunt will also
be probably retired next year, so.
But I love, I love spending a fifth round pick on a guy who
just lost his job to someone who's going to retire.
That seems like a great use of track.
Yeah, it's just the the question you, the question you have to
ask yourself is OK, is this a Woody Mark spot?
Like they want a pass catching guy to compliment Pacheco?
Or is this the Caleb Johnson Khalil Mullings?
Kyle Mullins is like Kareem Hunt, but 20.
Two, I love Kyle Mullins. He's so fun.
It's so fun. Another guy didn't have an ADP
to start. The the the Chiefs will not take
a a wide receiver. I I'd be like legitimately
surprised if they take they have, they have so many more
holes. Like they like their wide
receiver room though. Well, he Ryan's volts free
agents. I mean the the veterans are both
free agents. Well, Hollywood will be back.
He'll probably be back, yeah. P rhymes.
One touch on the last play was a dagger for sure.
One touch in the game. Well, I mean, his like whole
season has been that he just he's only he's only come out and
and by the way, Rashi like heard anything about a suspension?
I think it would be like, what are we thinking?
Maybe a four four games next. Year 4 games Rashi is one of the
best picks in the pool. He's going earlier on FFPC.
He's been a priority for me in these early drafts.
I would recommend. I don't think this ADP hold.
I mean, one thing I think one of the easiest things is go check
out the ADP over on FPC and get a sense of like what what's
happening there Because you know, there's certain guys I'm
like like Rashi Rice, for example, does not strike me as
someone that FFFPC drafters are like going to be in love with,
right? He's a.
Great point. He's a wide receiver who's going
to get suspended. That's generally a guy who'd be
pretty cheap over there. He's going in the third round.
So is he going to hold here in the fifth round?
I don't think so. I really don't.
He's, you know, the PCL thing was described as best case
scenario for that injury by injury.
But some of the injury stuff that I read and you know, he's
going to have a suspension that will very likely be the first
four games of the season and. You know, so if any, if there
was any issues with a lingering injury, you know, he's not going
to play till week 5. So I don't know.
I, I, the one of the things about this year is that you're
probably, if you want running backs in this environment, in
the big board environment. We'll see how it shakes out
after the draft, but it it is helpful to to spend some early
capital on running back. You know, you get guys like
Rashi Rice, you got Tyreek Hill. I think Devante Adams going in
like the the 6th 7th round is like he is pretty nice there.
There's actually, there's some wide receivers if you, if you
want to skip wide receiver in round one or round two or both,
you can recover, right. I've, I've built teams where
I've, I've taken like one wide receiver in the 1st 4 rounds and
they're not my favorite teams, But I think you can actually
like dig out a little bit, but you're digging out I think with
prices that aren't going to hold.
So it's it's. That's The thing is some of
these guys are going to go way up, like McMillan, Golden.
Actually, after the show you and I do today, I think it'll just
be it for Golden. Think Golden will.
Probably be. It'll be it'll be over.
I think he's going to rise, Yeah.
I mean, that's the thing that I think that's why like.
This, this is the funniest, this is the funniest ADP in the pool.
Jail, jail and Royals wide receiver 67 Just for no, just
for no reason. They're just, I mean, cool.
Cool name I guess. Kaden Kaden Prather, right?
I think is the strangest one to me.
I I don't have much interest in him at all.
He he goes right there. Yeah.
Yeah, I'm, I'm mostly what? OK.
Man, no one is going to they're Gary Gensler on the SEC is not
going to be able to separate me from 80 Mitchell wide receiver
80 that this guy is going to be brutal.
I mean, what am I even supposed to do with that bro?
LED LED the NFL or LED the NFL for a while?
Probably probably top top ten in the end.
Targets per route run Wide receiver watch.
And what was his yards per route run?
Irrelevant. It's irrelevant at wide receiver
80. Completely irrelevant.
Here's a good one. Cooper Cup starts week one.
On what roster? How about this, On what roster?
And how many underdog points is he projected for in?
So I think with Cooper Cup, he's got a real chance to go be like
the Adam Thielen, the guy who's not who he was and isn't, but
you and I are going to generally be inclined to go.
He's not what he was there for. He is dust, right?
He got passed. It's similar, right?
He got passed by the Jefferson. Jefferson came along and said
this is my team now. Puka came along and said this is
my team now he he leaves. But I think he could accumulate
targets on a bad receiving core. You know, for example, what if
he were a Patriot? Patriots are like.
More great fit patriots. Seriously fit Patriots.
The Patriots are like Denver would honestly, Peyton would
probably rotate him so much. It would be.
Yeah, I was going to say. He's like, you can't, you can't
be out there. When we got Lil Jordan, Humphrey
needed to get snacks. But I mean, what what if you
went to the Giants and they, you know, they get some kind of some
fill in quarterback and it's you know, him, him and neighbors or
something like there's there's spots where I think he could
accumulate Washington. That's a good one.
That's a really good one. They're.
Going to do something right? Oh, they need someone so bad.
There's if you look at like the free agent class, Adams is
functionally a free agent because he can just tell The
Jets to to kick rocks. If if he doesn't want to go back
there, they they owe him an absurd amount of money that
they're not going to pay him. So he can force his way out very
easily. T Higgins, Chris Godwin and it's
Stefan Diggs, but coming off an ACL tear, it gets thin at wide
receiver like pretty quick. And that's it's like Hopkins and
Cooper, these guys who are like probably washed like you.
You think about like who could have of the guys who are
probably washed. You could actually just like
kind of PP Rs way to some to some value cup.
You know, I would, I would much rather bet on cup than like an
Amari to do that. Arizona maybe if you, I'm
thinking about Waddle in the lobby too, you guys.
Mr. Mistresses in the chat. Dallas.
Dallas, yeah. I'd be pretty.
I'd be pretty into him on Dallas.
I'd be pretty into him on Dallas too. 02 earlier a free or not a
free agent, but he's a trade candidate.
He's another name to keep in mind.
To an earlier point, talking about like the the wide receiver
class and how it's breaking down here, thinking about guys like
Jalen Waddle and Olave where the the bloom was all the way off
the Rose last year was where this year was such a
disappointment for those guys. Are those examples of what you
think are good value where they're going or is, you know,
there are different situations because of the concussions,
maybe for Olave and some uncertainty there?
Olave's tougher because I also just think like it's the destiny
of the Saints for this to happen to them every year like that.
They it's just such a mess everywhere.
Let me tell you. Let me tell you the New Orleans
St. that you want to be taken right now before everyone gets
woke. Taysom Hill move back to tight
end. I mean it's crazy dude.
Great there. There is simply no other tight
end. I guess probably once you get
past Mark Andrews, who can score you 30 fantasy points in a game.
But but Taysom definitely can. But Olave.
I like waddle more. I think probably I.
Think with Taysom he's come off. Wasn't a multi league meet here
now? Yeah, it's not good.
He's pretty old. And.
It's. He's he's 34.
That's that's top buff on multi ligament needs here.
I I don't know that I'm doing I was in on Tayson last year.
I don't know if I'm going to do it again.
The the guy like more between the two is Olave, who is the
number one wide receiver on his team.
Now. Shaheed is also good, you know,
so it's not like a clear cut thing, but first round wide
receiver, you know, high pedigree guy has been
productive. The Saints it is it is tough
like it's like one of those things where it's easy to rank
Olave ahead of ADP. But then when you're actually in
there, like, am I actually going to click Olave discussion issues
and and you got like Derek Carr, like on this contract where they
kind of have to keep him, but they probably don't want him.
And then so does that lead to a new coaching staff like testing
out of Jackson Dart or a Jalen Millroe to end the year?
Like he he's a very much if they don't have anybody, I don't
think they're going to bench him to see more of Rattler.
But if they spend a second or third round pick on a
quarterback like he is the Carson Wentz to that guy's
Shailen hurts to close that rookie season.
I think he he is they they can easily move on after the year.
He's very unlikely to be there after the year.
They just have no commitment. So you're kind of like, you
know, with neighbors this past year.
He was awesome and ultimately like he had a kind of good, he
had a good close to the season, but there were times where I was
like, I kind of knew this was going to happen, you know, and
those some of the the the drags of the the veto lock era, I was
like, I knew this was likely. And it's it's it doesn't feel
good when you're, you know, one of your important wide receiver
pieces is is got like his third string quarterback thrown in the
ball. There is that downside risk with
the lobby. I still think I'm going to be
overweight if this price holds, though, because he's a good,
he's a good wide receiver. It's nice to get a good wide
receiver in the in the sixth round or whatever fifth round, I
guess. You you click a lave and the cup
chair just appears in your office.
I mean, just so just just for example, I think I think Godwin
is is actually Godwin. I think has has potentially a
higher ceiling like a higher range of outcomes in in that
range of the draft. Luther Burden is the IT could be
anything, even a Crystal Ave. Box, right.
I'm not adding the burden, I think he's fine, but.
Calvin Ridley, if I told you Sam Darnold was the quarterback of
the Tennessee Titans, what's that do for you?
I mean, yeah, I'm kind of into Ridley.
If you told me Cam Ward is the is the quarterback and I don't,
I'm not a big Ward guy at all, but Ridley's in a, in a spot
where like he, he's the he's the Sutton, right?
He's this year's Sutton. Like he's there's no
competition. He's not that good, but he's not
he's, he's going to be the starting #1.
Yeah, he's totally this year's Sutton.
That's totally what. Yeah.
I think he he's totally fine where he's going.
I drafted him yesterday. I didn't like doing it, but
like, OK, I'm into Rashe Rice, I'm into Ted McMillan.
You know, I'm like, OK, well, what if I both on the same team?
Where are my points coming at wide receiver early on?
Like I'm taking some of these boring guys because they're
pretty cheap right now, like and Adams or Ridley.
I've drafted Adam Phelan. Adam Phelan goes really late and
was still very productive that he he's still under contract
next year. I know we like Jalen Coker, but
he was still starting and producing.
Do we think, do we think ertz is going to retire?
By the way, while we're while we're talking about all the guys
'cause if ertz doesn't retire, he's just as good of a pick and
this year's big board as he was in last year's big board.
Yeah, it's true. But he is a free agent, but it's
like he obviously he would just pre sign with them.
Yeah. He would just resign.
This range gives me the the shakes like maybe, maybe Reid at
81 is interesting. It's still, you know, shooting
for potential. Davis, you said running backs in
this range or like 5-6 that I want to.
Say that I love to unjoy one of the.
I'm pounding. I'm pounding that button.
It feels early like when you look back at your board, like I
took Jennings in the sixth round of a draft and then I look back
at the board, I was like, what the hell?
But when you're in it, it feels fine.
You're like given, given the other available options, you're
like, oh, Jennings is actually pretty solid pick right now.
But then you look back, you're like, oh, we're taking John
Jennings in the sixth. OK, It definitely feels rich,
but he was really good last year that Iuke's got a multi ligament
knee tear. You're assuming no devo.
Devo's probably gone, yeah. So it's like him and Piersall
and the naive comes back down the stretch, I think.
I think he'll be pretty productive.
Obviously Kittle there too, but yeah.
What's What's the early word on Christian McCaffrey in these?
He's been going pretty high, yeah, Round 2.
I. Think right now the 1/2.
Turn 1-2. Turn, Yeah.
I I mean I have Gene T ranked straight up ahead of them.
You can scoop you if you want a bag of Gene T right now, you can
get a bag We we have him probably below where you have
him Davis, but. No, I've, I am working on my
rankings right now. I meant to have them done this
morning and got caught up doing busy work.
But I, I'm, I probably am going to have him one spot ahead of
where you guys have him. I think you guys have him 13.
I think I'm going to have him 12.
Yeah, he's down to 14 with the with ADP, but yeah, if you, I
mean you can sit in the back of the 2nd and get Gene T all day.
Can we just have round one NFL draft, round one running back
hit because he's great and can we just sort of keep it simple
this year and not have the the Bijan silliness and Bruce Hall
off the injury? I think he was a second round
pick anyway, but you know, like Naji, but he's actually not good
at ETN who's hurt. Just I kind of wanted to just
maybe want this year be. Normal.
That's actually a good point. Who is the last first round NFL
draft rookie running back? Well, Gibbs was in like a
timeshare. I know what he hit like.
Like who just came in and just like immediately 300 touches, 20
touchdowns just. Like I see I.
See Zeke maybe? Was was Zeke the last?
Like true? Just mega.
You got everything you wanted here.
Let's run a Let's run a Pro Football Reference filter.
Yeah, 'cause you're right, it was an end of the season smash.
Yeah. Barkley.
Oh yeah? Well, Barkley.
Barkley had a legendary season as a rookie.
It was unreal. Still, that's seven years ago.
That's 20. 18 That's 2018. Single season descending fantasy
points, PPR 2024 to the 2015 running back, just first round
picks and let's just see who like Mega Smashed because
there's got to be, there's got to be someone worth forgetting,
right? I think so.
CEH. CEH.
CEH honestly honestly did did kind of smash as a rookie.
That first game. It's not like this though.
He didn't he. Didn't score enough.
He he didn't score enough touchdowns.
He didn't score, he didn't score enough touchdowns.
I'm trouble. I'm I'm.
It's taking me forever to find the draft filter.
People are saying Lenny Lenny did get a bunch of work.
And that's Mccaffrey's draft. Yeah, but man, he stunk.
OK, this is 2015 to 2024, just I didn't add the draft filter, but
Barkley 385 points, Zeke Naji 300 points.
Jonathan Taylor. I don't know if Jonathan and
Jonathan Taylor. Was the 3rd year.
Pick isn't the Naji year is Roethlisberger throwing in the
15 passes in the one game Right. Just like there was some insane
production there that way. So basically, basically the
answer is no one. It's it was Barkley and it was
Elliot. But those are the last like no
complications. No, you don't have to make any
excuses. They just they, they got picked.
And they? Crushed.
Well, you've got the guy for this in GT.
Then you've got the lack of quarterback talent.
We think that will clog the first round of the draft.
I mean, maybe this is year running back.
Everybody loves their running back class.
This is the year for it. I I think Caleb Johnson might go
in the first round. Really.
There's a lot of lot of drum beat, like if you read like the
just the Scout stuff, they all really like him.
I think it's such a, I watched the NFL this year, I watched
linebackers who weigh 230 lbs. I want a running back who weighs
230 lbs who's faster than all these guys type thing.
You know, I, I, I, and I've already said this, I'm on the
record. I am not with the nerds on this.
I whatever team takes Genti. I think it's good, not good.
There are other there are other things you could do that would
make your team better, but you're going to put him on the
team and he's going to get the ball a ton.
You have good plays. Your your offense is.
Your offense is going to be good when Gente's on the field.
I think Brian shot. He'll help your.
Offense but. I think it's that that capital,
the chance of hitting on an elite left tackle or you know,
one of the very deep edge class. I think your money, I think your
your capital's better spent on that than than a player who
will, I think immediately contribute and be really good in
Gente. But it's just like the impact of
the position quickly, quickly. I wanted to ask on.
Quarterbacks in the big board. So I know FFPC we had as of mid
last week anyway, Allen was going early 2nd and Lamar
Jackson was quarterback to late 3rd, which I really don't
understand that gap myself. Jackson's ahead now, right?
Is he? Jackson's Jackson's Jackson's
early ADP was like. Oh, no, I'm wrong.
No, OK. Alan is going 19th and Jackson
is going 25th. These, I think I'm out on that.
Let me tell you. These young men, right?
Here, Justin Fields, Jalen Melro, Jackson Dart draft them
for like the next nine to 10 days because particularly Dart
and Fields are going to be I don't even know, like you're not
going to be able to get fields. I agree with I, I don't.
Miller Owen Dart Like when? When How many games did you get
out of? Them this year couple 3.
When Dane Bruegler puts out his. Next mock that has Jackson Dart
going at 6th overall to the Raiders.
This, this is over. You're not going to be able to
get quarterback 30. Like, remember JJ McCarthy?
That I'm not hearing any kind of buzz there.
No, dude, it's coming. It's coming.
You're you're, you're not hearing the you're not hearing
the rumblings because the rumblings.
I'm really not I, I. Know that there I know that
Jackson Dart has has his fans, but I haven't heard I've heard
you know he's going to be making a strong statement that he's
quarterback 3 in this class. I've not really heard anything
that like he might go top 10. I got I.
Got to make sure the rumble I. I.
Differentiate the rumblings I hear from you and from whoever
might be, you know, scouting player Senior Bowl week.
I know I've heard you talk about him.
And that's what would be my version of the the rumblings in
this case would be from you. Yeah.
I mean, I'm I'm. I'm literally.
Just reading tweets from people at, you know, the Senior Bowl
and shit. But I, I just, I have AI think
also I've just done this so long that I know guys like Jackson
Dart start out as Oh yeah, you know, maybe you maybe we take
him as round 3. As a flyer.
And then all of a sudden, Bonex was the 12th overall pick in the
NFL draft. You know, it's like that is
that's always. How it starts?
Yeah, I, I, yeah, honestly, I think.
Bonex is a much, much stronger prospect than much Jackson Dart
much. I think Bonex is a stronger
prospect than any quarterback in this class.
I think he's a better prospect than than Cam Ward.
It's it's not a good quarterback class.
I could, I could give that to you, Cam Cam.
Ward is is. Way more toolsy, you know,
theoretical upside on Cam Ward way higher, but but Nick's as we
saw it this year is like a very capable quarterback.
I think from like a a floor perspective, you know, he's he
was he's much safer. We came to like his experience.
Yeah, and he and he scrambles, right He.
Actually, he adds, he adds with with with his legs, which is
good for real life. And for us, what I'm seeing like
with Bruegler's mock that came out last week, what we saw was
actually the quarterbacks falling.
We saw Cam Ward, I believe, went third in that mock with the
Titans passing and then and then the Browns passing.
And then Chador is like there was, you know, a month or two
ago, I thought there's at least a conversation of who the number
one pick was between the quarterbacks.
And seems like Shadour's kind of fallen to where it's like Ward's
the top guy, but do you take him #1?
If Shadour's available at like 6 to the Raiders or something,
that obviously makes it so much harder for a guy like Milro or
Dart. And it probably would be Dart to
jump up, you know, into the midfirst or something like it,
just like the the tea leaf seemed to be going the other
way. And we have seen this, We've
seen that the it's not common, but in the Kenny Pickett class,
Malik Willis was supposed to be in the first round conversation.
He goes third round. You know, there's there are
times that the NF LS just like no Levis.
These these dudes aren't it. Levis.
Yeah, Levis. Levis.
Yeah, yeah. I don't think that's going to
happen to like Chadur or anything, but I.
I think Milro. And Dart.
Would be would do well to get into the first round at all.
Like if they, if they were like pick 25, I think that's like a
good outcome. Oh, if Milro, if milro.
Goes in round one and you're light on him in this like load
up for next year, man, you, you lost because I don't know this
dude. This dude is going to run.
Well, if he's a first round pick, where where would?
Spend a first round pick on him and not play him.
You told, you told. Me in the the leg.
Up rankings chat, you were like, I started going through who
needs a quarterback and there are some.
It is. It is.
Like, yeah, I mean, I guess you could.
Talk about one of these teams trading.
Back into the end of the first, like the Raiders trade, back in
the end of the first, the Giants, and then, yeah, then,
then certainly he'd start. But I think you could also look
at a guy like Melro, who's kind of the developmental type of
player, and you could be like, we're drafting for the future
with this guy. San Francisco would be fun.
I mean, just let me make it
clear. I don't think I guess would be
good. I don't.
Think Millro is very good. Quote UN quote.
But that's the sort of thing that just is 60 IQ fantasy
football stuff. Because it doesn't matter.
Because. If Millro plays this guy just
like runs like Seattle would be another Oh my God.
Yeah, that's good. Yeah.
But I. Don't think I think Millro
could. Sit for like his whole career,
15 games. Yeah, his whole career.
That's that's the problem is that this team could sit for his
whole career. This could be like Kenden Hooker
or something, you know, Jets and round two, Jets and round two it
could be. It could be.
It could be a lot. It could be a.
Lot like Kenden Hooker, obviously Hooker came in injured
I think. I think it's more of a dynasty
win than a. Basketball win if he if he goes
to Seattle. Not that it couldn't be a win,
but like you're look, I mean, I I had a big bag of Drake May
last year. May got on the field week 6 and
he ran a bunch, right. I think he, he doesn't, he
doesn't run like like. Millro runs though like Millro
he out rushed Jaden. Daniels in scramble yards.
The dude I know, but Millro? Millro.
Will have like this. He's going to, I don't know,
he's going to have 4 design rushes a game maybe, maybe more,
sure, but. In how many fewer games, you
know, like, and, and the point there with May is like those
games, those games hurt, you know, that he didn't play.
And if he never was able to, you know, achieve like going nuclear
'cause he had such a horrible supporting cast.
You know, if Miller was in Seattle or something like that,
you'd be like, OK, he could probably probably get there, but
I don't know. It's it's tough right now as we
think about like the the range, this could be a third round
pick. He could just be a straight back
up and like kind of the what do you win when you win?
Like I I think in a number of good outcomes.
He's still looking at like a projected games played of 5-6.
Yeah, well, I know it's basketball.
You know you want to lean. Into the end of the season
always as I've learned from you guys, but there are 1/4 of the
league needs a starting quarterback.
No clear answer and even even fields being maybe the favorite
in Pittsburgh is kind of nuts. But then like what are the
alternatives? See cousin see the the veterans,
their cousins, Russell Wilson Rogers.
I think I would guess that two of them are starting week 1
because they're just are not that many other options.
So are you guys. I think it was Jared Goff with.
Amanrah And then I got boxed out of quarterback.
People are drafting a bunch of quarterbacks and they're
snapping them up. It's kind of weird in there
right now. Well, you can.
You can take 5 and some people. Are just like auto drafting like
yeah, it's it's it's chaos in there right now.
You got to, got to. Watch out for that.
The, the thing about, about Fields, so I took, I took Jared
Goffa, Dominora and then I took Fields and McCarthy and I didn't
really have to keep them stacked.
And then it took Naylor or something at the end, but I cuz
I got boxed out of all the quarterbacks went.
But there I was like, that's, that's a useful case for Fields.
You know, where I'm like, there's, there's some upside
here. Maybe you don't get all the
games, but I think he starts it all probably starts in the
beginning of the year and kind of maybe bridging to McCarthy if
Donald's back. Maybe I just have McCarthy all
year, but he starts slow. I I'm more interested in Fields
than the rookies because I think fields has a pretty clean path
to just being a starter this year for the Steelers.
And honestly, maybe even even if not for the Steelers, like he
could go like to the Giants or something.
Like there's there's spots where you go or to The Jets, like
there's, there's openings, there's straight up openings.
There's a lot of openings starting with the team.
He's on like you said, my friend.
Raiders is another one. Yeah.
Andrew Filippone. Predicted last week that.
He he, at least as of now, like Fields, would be his bet to
start week one for the Steelers. Are you guys most likely to me?
Yeah. Are you coming up to?
Do another show like right after this, yes, Yeah, we're going to
do our. Last week we did running backs.
This week we are going to do wide receivers.
We're going to go through all the rookie wide receivers, kind
of what we would do with them in dynasty, big board, all all that
stuff. All right, I've got a Bills.
Post mortem to host on WGR. Got to gear up for that.
Anyway, got it, got it, got. To tear them.
Down. Blow it up.
Blow it up, Mike. I don't know what we're doing
here. Is Sean Guy?
'S a clown. We're never going to go anywhere
until we get rid of this. Justin, what are we doing?
We just, we should have day ball.
Firemen and trade for. Day ball trade a second round
pick. We're going to spend it on a
dumb ass Ken Coleman anyway. Oh, I can promise you that call.
Today, I can promise you that one.
That's right. Yeah.
What do you want to finish? You want to lose in the playoffs
every year, all time. Is that what this is working for
you? You don't want to make these
changes. OK.
Good to know. Yeah.
You know, I got to. I got to get in shape.
Thank you, boys. Patton Davis.
I'm Mike Shope, ADP chasing. We'll talk to you again next
Monday.