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Play Chase. All right, Pat, I guess you're
kind of saddling. The fence as an 82 ATP, chasing
guy and ship pacing guide you self-identify with one group
more than the other. I live in Two Worlds at once I
mean, obviously, I'm ship chasing, keep chasing forever,
there you go, there you go, all jokes aside.
I did. I was behind on the past, two
ATP, chasings and caught up on those today.
Awesome stuff. I'm sure you guys know by now,
to be checking that out. They've moved the schedule
around a little bit, but we'll be settling into The noon
eastern time slot on Mondays, which pairs really well with.
I do best ball breakfast on my channel, you can watch that and
then head over and watch ATP, chasing then grach, how's it
going, buddy? It's good.
Yeah, if you just discussion, I'm excited.
I'm going to come on this coming Monday.
Monday Sam. Sam is kind of to take the week
off. He's busy right?
So I'm a pop on. Yeah.
Then I'm glad to have you on but like, keep putting this in
headlocks. Yeah, push this a lockers.
So I To hang out with you, nerds a little much man.
Yeah, I mean, I hope enjoying being The Jock I guess I'm
usually the standard. So it is nice that we created
another show. It makes this show not look
nerdy. That's that's the way.
So we had I try to think like what could you guys do if we
just create like a rushing Russian nesting doll level of
shows? So what would be the nerdier
version of your guys's show? So you could stuff them in
lockers I think it's whatever that that Excel Olympics thing,
that Leone competed in, everyone always has lots of good ideas
playing some poker right now. Call it chip chasing.
It really is an infinite amount of things you can chase Gretch.
Are there any are there? Any updates for you on the
drafting front? Have you been able to have you
driven across the border to fire some slow drafts?
Where you at? I'm not yet.
It's going to happen soon as updates.
Are I think I'm greenlit. I think I'm good to go.
Go. It's just three and a half hour
drive one way so I gotta you know I got a plan it out a
little bit map it out, it's allergy season up here you can
see my nose is like bright red, it's like super sensitive to the
touch so I'm like half they're mentally.
So I like, I probably don't need to start 50 slow Drop.
Like This is where all auto-draft 100 times, like I'm
forgetting to like, check on things.
I put him in a steak a little bit ago.
I cook it on the stove and then put it in the oven.
I forgot to turn the fucking oven on for like 5 minutes, it
was sitting in the oven like that.
Where I'm at right now. Like probably not the right time
to start a million slow drafts but I'll get there in a couple
weeks. My question for you is this
grach is are you going to tell the family like your true
intentions? Are you going to try to Trojan
Horse this? It being like Oh there's this
really cute antique shop across the border.
I thought we could all go on a family trip to check it out.
And then while you're there you're just in the bathroom Max.
Registering like how how is this going to go down?
I you know I already told the wife, everything that's that
would have been funny. I am.
I mean the kids are basically getting played.
Like that. Like the idea is we're gonna
plan something down on the coast.
It's going to be a family vacation like this and that but
like really yeah I'm gonna be Max entering think I'm gonna I'm
gonna be so fast traps. Yeah, man, that's what I wanted
to hear ya, it's a fast fast. Oh God, yeah, absolutely.
Got to get some fast traps. I've just thinking of like the
2023 version of like, National Lampoon's, Vacation and Clark
Griswold, like driving in the family like wagon or whatever.
But like, drafted vessel vaidya teams because it's the only time
he's able to do it across the board.
That's how I picture you dredge is, by the way, is Utah, a legal
State? Because I'm going there for a
bachelor party in July. So I'm mapping out my summer,
it. Even when the chest from Utah,
let me know. I'm almost positive Utah, as a
legal state. I'm pretty sure I know some Utah
drafters there. Pat how many BBM teams deeper
you? I think I have nine done.
I've been over on DraftKings, a little bit recently and I fired
like thirty five puppies in really okay?
Yeah, I mean the puppies. I'll live.
Yeah. So Jeff come on now.
Well, I did, I did here. I think it was the guys over at
ows who had a really sharp call on because so much of the
initial puppy was drafted before the schedule.
I think it's like 40 percent. Maybe you're 45 that like
getting a ton of slow drafts in at the last to get close to
maxing. It knowing that your entries
would have the information. Yeah.
Advantage of knowing the schedule like I thought that
would have been a sharp. That strategy and then I ended
up doing like five slows and I just stopped.
I was like I can't be in slow draft tell again.
Yeah, that's I mean, if you can do that like definitely it was
sharp because yeah it's you have that extra schedule information
as a massive Edge on the rest of the field but I just instead
what I did is I fired three puppies and then like something
came up and I wasn't able to drive them appropriately and
they were like the three. My last three puppies are just
an Abomination. Yeah.
Oh how rich? Right that we got was two
million dollars. Just there's fire and drafts off
$15 been. It's a pretty sure you could.
You could fire off 15 dollars into the sun you know.
It would be fun because everyone everyone always says this thing
and I've said it to write, you know, use the puppy and the five
dollar ones as like an experimental, you know,
training, ground, sandbox, whatever have you.
Yeah. How many of you have actually
done that? Like, how many of you have
generated a lot of that? Did you do like one quarterback
bills? One tied in bills?
What was the funkiest thing you did?
Well I was trying to figure out if I could counter this
ridiculous wide receiver ATP. That everyone says is so
inefficient and it's like really hard.
It's really hard. Like let me let me do an elite
quarterback, Malik tight end and like two running backs.
And can I dig out of that? Yeah the answer was no, I
couldn't. I think all those things are
dead but I don't I didn't want to do that and best Ball Mania,
but you know, that means, like, I'm taking like maybe one wide
receiver through fiber. Rounds or so six rounds.
Maybe I have to like two through six.
It's just it's really tough. It's Max like three through
seven and I think you know Hayden Winks is talked about
going, four through seven is his Golden Rule.
I've last year, I said four through nine was probably like
like a really good minimum, but you were pointing out five
through nine was really much better last year.
Yeah, and I do think like with the wide receiver prices going
up. The issue of like, getting
locked out of that group of early wide receivers that are
giving you sufficient Firepower only gets more of an issue.
So it's like there are like things you can do but I don't
think my puppy research suggests that you can't just be like zero
wide receiver. Basically like even though the
wide receiver atp's are the most expensive we've ever seen in the
history of fantasy football and that's fair to say.
I still don't really feel like zero water Seaver at least
didn't feel viable to me. Yeah, I, you know, even today
and I do think one of the things we're going to talk about a lot
this year and you've touched about on it.
About your, your team last year was thinking about how the
structures fit together, and how those push you in other
directions. And like today, I did one of my
first Elite quarterback bills, right?
Took Josh Allen at the two, three turn.
I had the 101. Took Justin Jefferson.
And then I also grabbed room Andre there and then I got an
elite. I did, I took TJ Hawkinson so I
did a leak you be anchor in the third and Hawkinson and so I
knew right away. Not only do I have to catch up
at wide receiver hard and I used some of the rookie wide
receivers to do that. I took Mingo and Rashi rice but
I also punted rb2 until the double digit rounds as well.
And so it's like, once you make those decisions, you have to
really think about how you're going to catch up at the other
positions. And then subsequently, you
better know where the value pockets are to be able to pull
that off in, at least a vaguely Smart Way.
I think I think that's viable. I think what you did is viable
but you're like, I mean, it's kind of fun because you're like,
all right, I'm gonna feel alive for the rest of this draft
because I'm about to get locked out of wide receiver and a
couple like I don't know how like did you feel like you
pulled that off in the rooms? You're in?
Because that my concern would be being in a ship chasing room
right in this wasn't a ship chasing room, this was on the
fantasy livestream, it was more of a casual room.
But yeah, and that that is the other thing too is like, I'm
Streaming 150 in my drafts all on stream.
My rooms are different. My rooms are different than most
room. So I have to think about other
considerations there and I will assess the room and I will not
let myself get in that spot most of the time.
Well, are you factoring what? Stream your on into your dress
strategies, you are? Yeah, well, here's the thing.
This is the main thing I factor in right, is once I enter a
draft right now. People are trying to anticipate
it a little bit. I know, I know the usernames, I
see the badges and if Like eight spots available when I hop in
and everyone in the chat gets in there, I know what kind of room
I've headed for here. Graduate aren't these.
The things you're excited to have to deal with.
Imagine the Gretsch piss boy rooms.
No, I mean I I am a little bit excited about a little bit
nervous. I definitely feel like I'm
behind on. I mean, I think a lot of what
like I've obviously heard all the concepts from, you guys know
what we're talking about in terms of construction and all of
that. But a lot of it is just learned
experience, right? And like, you guys dropped a ton
and you put yourself in these positions and ask these
questions, you're just talking about getting into puppies and
using those as like a practice run and seeing you know what it
means when you pass up the wide receivers and how you run out of
steam. I mean I don't know feet to the
fire man. I'm going to be jumping in with
a bunch of people that have been doing this and doing it a lot
and I mean, the underdog ATP is more efficient than any other
ATP. I think in the world Like any of
the other contests. It really.
I generally think it is. It's fascinating to look at it
right now and to look at it in like the last couple years when
I want to check ATP. I go check Underdog.
Typically like what's going on an underdog because that's where
the most action is happening. That's where the most money when
I do. People have pointed out that
certain guys, get pushed up a little bit because of stacks and
correlations and various things that are going on.
But yeah, I mean, it's It's a sharp, it's a sharp place, a
draft, it'll be fun. I'm excited to do my toes and
Pat your point about the the wide receivers in.
Like, how there's eventually a cut-off we talked about this, a
lot. I don't think we emphasize it
enough, and it made me pull up something that I had been
looking through some of my own writing from last year, but last
year, identified, that end of that wide receiver window as we
sometimes called it as around, where Garrett Wilson and Rondell
more, go, obviously, Wilson, hit Rondell more didn't, but I still
like that bet and I still Do like that.
But for last year and then within a round or two, you're in
this DeVante Parker and Joshua Palmer age.
Like those are the guys that I tried to highlight and I mean in
hindsight pretty good. You'll that ages.
Well, Medical just very your prior.
We were saying constantly like right around when Depot, Samuel
goes off and he ended up being a huge hit and basically no one
right after him really was a very strong hit.
I felt the same way last year, to me.
It's Bateman Bateman is like the last guy that's like Bateman
Man, Sutton sentence like viable, but then right after
that, it's like Juju and Toby boy.
And this is a significant point in every draft, every year that
I don't know if we talked about enough, but it's like, you know,
however, many receivers in 40 50.
I don't know the exact number, but there is a drop-off or like
suddenly, you are out of the real upside profiles.
And you're just looking at guys around basically, or right?
Need an injury or something and those guys aren't that
different. From like Michael.
Gallup goes pretty late and like he's gonna run routes, you know,
Mark as well as scantling's goes late.
He's going to run routes. So you end up in like yeah you'd
rather have the guys that go and like around 11:00 but they're
not that much better. Yeah they do.
After that point. You better just start taking
flyers on rookies. Basically and yeah you're right
on a rookie that's just it you know a breakup in the double
digits and I mean I guess this is casting a vaguely wide net
but it's rookies. Second, Your wide receivers, you
know, for me like, I was like, Alec Pierce and taekwon Thornton
and then correlation only like there's very rarely of wide
receiver pick. I'm making that doesn't fall
into one of those buckets, in normally, it's two of those
buckets, right? Yeah.
So, but yes, in the chat with my username is, by the way, I don't
have, I don't have one yet. I've been thinking about this.
I also don't have, I haven't done any like, you know, Pro
mowing yet. I've heard that there's like,
you know, some promo codes out there.
But that's something that I, that I, you know, that the baby
open. Up for bidding on the promo.
God that's only one bitter if you're trying to well I mean
Gretsch to me, it's pretty simple, you either go with
Gretch, you know, just for the super clean.
No one's ever regretted just having their name or you go with
yards per grach. I don't think you would.
I mean, what are you gonna? What do you name your phone?
I mean I think something like daily daily Row.
Joe makes a lot of sense right? Like that won't go bad over the
years just pick a player and attach my name to it.
Pat would have one that name would have aged so fucking
poorly. He got bailed out so much been
just so I'm clear. Are you?
Are you talking about two-time, Super Bowl champion?
Ronald Jones? Yes, that's, that's it.
Gretsch. Did I catch you at our group
chat? Eyeing up Ronald Jones contract
for this year, relative to Rashad?
Oh yeah, yeah, I mean, I was I'm working on and there's the East
projections, it's more a comment that Richard painting make
anything. But I mean, Ron Jones got
300,000 guaranteed, has to say A salary as a shot Penny this year
and it's like this overall earnings are right in the same
range, they're both one, your deals, very similar deal.
I don't think our community views them as very similar
players. But for all Jones, got some
guaranteed money. And he's the who, okay, you know
what I came to with the Cowboys projection.
Like, Zeke has definitely got me back, who's gonna get their goal
line work, they didn't really trust Paul.
Remember the Ian Hart, it's tweet with the all the one-yard
tvz cad and part, I think gave him some of that.
I know, Sam's. Sherman would love if Paul would
get all that goal on work, but he's a smaller back, they gave
him some opportunities that he didn't do an amazing job there.
And the other, all the other backs on the roster, like Malik
Davis is sub 2 10 and one thinks Emily Davis is gonna be a thing.
Like, I don't think he's Zeke, right?
Like then they went got the smallest running back in the
league and the whole draft, dudes, want to come in wrong.
Jones, is not a huge back. I mean, I honestly think like
Zeke's gonna be buddies. Like, too pointy.
No, no. He, he put on a bunch of weight
after he totally sucked. Okay, well maybe he's the new
Zeke that that's that's why I went to there, but if it's not
Jones, I was looking up there lifted weights and I think he's
listed under to 10 as well as if they don't even have a back on
the roster to 10 Dak. By the way, used to be a sixth
touchdown a year. Rushing TD guy, since his leg
injury to rushing TDS in two seasons, one each year,
completely different usage, around the goal, line for him.
I mean, they just give it to Zeke every time.
What are they going to do in close?
They're gonna, they're gonna bring it back, guys, Rob Jones
at 205, but if someone who was Reading Quran Jones, blurbs on
he's putting on weight. I could tell you is not to.
I trust you more than Google daily rub, your nose knows his
way. You better hot.
Here's what I want to do an ATP sliding doors.
Hypothetical, if Ronald Jones and Rashad Penny, switched
spots, it was Richard penny. That went to the Cowboys, Ronald
Jones signed for the same amount as Penny on the Eagles.
What would there a TPS be Similar to where they are.
I similar to where they are now? Yeah, you think Roger would be
like a tenth round? Pick?
No, no. I similar to it would be very
similar to the got you peez. All right.
Yeah. So you're saying that people
would just be full. So in that scenario, do you
think DeAndre Swift would be going in like the third or
fourth? Because they'd be like Rojo's
sucks. Yeah, I think I do, I think
DeAndre Swift would be going in the fourth round.
That was sort of my point in breaking down their contracts,
in our little chat was like, this is not the way people
think. They're Players are impacting
these teams. But this is how these teams
viewed, these players at least on the open market, or what
they're willing to give them. Now, you could just say that the
Eagles are smart and made a smart low value, you know, move
and got those pennies pennies so injury.
He's dealt with so many injuries.
So yeah, I mean, hey, I'm the only one who was here.
Last week, okay? Don't.
Don't say that. I'm the one who is how many
shows is me these days. It's impressive.
Where do you think Tony Pollard would go in drafts if they had
signed Richard penny? I think low estrogen, I think
you would agree absolutely lower.
But how much maybe around 66 around, really?
He would be an absolute smash maybe 50, maybe 50, maybe, fifth
probably, I don't think he'd escaped the fourth.
That's my, that's my snack. Probably went to.
Yeah, I think you're probably right.
He was at he was almost in the fourth like, before zika, cut
people were people, I mean pennies better than Zeke.
Maybe people would Think that I don't know.
All right, the time has come. It's time to draft baby.
Let's do it. All right.
This is what draft is. I think I put it in here.
This is my to do 20 seconds left.
What do you got going here in the draft room?
This is, this is new to me. This is the brick draft cat.
It's just my exposures. And then week, 16 and week 17
matchup. Oh, that's fantastic.
So we have, let's see. I got to start watching all your
best ball draft streams. If I'm gonna start, good luck in
these teams. I mean, I don't know.
So, I haven't been watching a lot of the actually Gretch.
I did want to ask you this as b as we get underway here because
this is starting to be a topic coming up and I know you haven't
drafted a ton yet but I know you've reviewed some ATP stuff.
What is your take on the are be dead zone.
Being dead because I've seen that bandied about at places.
Yeah, I mean I think it shifted I mean I certainly don't think
I'm the sole Arbiter on reading how things are moving and just
somebody who talked about the past stuff.
But based on my research from the very beginning, one of the
big things we've always talked about was the guys in the dead
zone that do hit are the youngsters.
The rookies, the second-year players there still some
enticing, guys in that age range that are in that dead zone
range. But also most of the ones that
may be used to fall. There aren't in there, they're
moving out of it right there. Moving up like the The market
has gotten better at that. Like Jameer Gibbs is going very
very high, right? Who's the other one we're
talking about? That is a second-year player
ever CTN. Travis CDN or.
But yeah, I maybe he would have still been a third round or few
years back, but I think Kim's probably would have been a dead
zone. Fourth fifth round but I'm dead
zone guy, you could Target. But I think when you look at the
dead so you look at the backside of going there, a lot of them
do, check the boxes. That historically players going
in this range, what it's saying is like okay, this guy has shown
us what he is, he's Play it a certain number of years, we have
a good idea on what type of player he is.
And the market is not buying that he has a lead upside, they
won't take him in the early rounds where they will take any
running back. That looks like a potential
superstar that has legendary upside, Like Pat has written
about, right? The markets, not buying that on
this player who ever it is Nagi Harris.
Right? Now as you're gonna be more of a
dead zone back, he's a dead zone back like it's but in I also
think in best ball, it's more viable.
To draft them because there's something to be said about just
getting guaranteed touches in basketball.
When you can't get anything off the waiver wire, it's a little
bit different of an equation. Absolutely.
Like the whole running back production, pie is going to be
smaller across the whole landscape because people are
going to be adding players, right?
So anyway, we should probably pick.
I love AJ Brown here. Crash.
I've never said no danger from dude.
It was he's online. I know that would have been fun.
I would have fun. Yeah, the I did a draft with Ian
hard hats and he like hates the week 17 correlation stuff and
they named the video like a week. 17 hater and a correlator
draft, Ian accidentally, drafted CD lamb and am on Rusty Brown at
the what to turn into the realize it so good.
Of all right. Me, what do you guys think?
Darren Wilson, right? You don't have to give up on it.
I'm good with that. I'm what you want to do, you
want? Take it easy.
These are Pat's reg. So this is where Pata.
These are my bricks. I don't know.
I mean, my new man crush. I really enjoy.
Starting AJ Brown, Gary Wilson. Those are two players.
I have very high degree of confidence on honestly, like I
haven't done. I think I've in 22 drafts II
would have to go check, but I'm pretty sure I've only done.
Two or three 0r B drafts out of the 22 or 23.
So I am excited about having a 0 RB draft potentially because
this puts us in a weird range where yes we could be in play
for like an e TN or Gibbs but otherwise like that's when you
have definitely looking at wide receivers here.
Yeah and I mean you can say that it's not the dead zone of this
is not that if you can go running back there but the point
is like it's not as good of a bet as the wide receivers out
that cost and after he Tian and gives off the board, that's
probably the case now. This has been a wide receiver,
heavy draft, right? Yeah.
A little bit. I mean I guess I don't know the
current atp's but for yeah of course it was all six offset a
little bit by the Jalen hurts pick.
I think it's now back on track so we'll have to see here.
I was kind of what I can with the get Wilson pick that we
might be in play for gives in the third but we won't maybe
we'll get stopped by one of those three badges right in
front of us. Now that I'm talking about what
we want. Actually, I just noticed
something fishy Gretsch saying like, he's like getting ready to
play Underdog and he doesn't know what to name his team and
yet. You're out of the six hole,
there's a conspicuous wide receiver wide receiver start
from a guy named new username. I mean that's pretty good.
I like that. It's pretty good.
I'm going to be new username to Alright actually let's do this
to Ben. Why?
Your because you had a post today about stealing signals.
We got our guy David in the chat.
He's teeing you up for the sales job is being a founding member
for signals worth it. I'm definitely subscribing but
I'm undecided about upgrading to founding sub, then don't hem and
haw. Tell them why being a founding
sub will change his life. I mean literally wrote in the
post that I don't have any, like exact plans.
So this is gonna be my typical sales pitch, which is do what
you want. Aunt, Hannah subscriber.
Don't know. I'm, I'm gonna do some stuff for
the founding Subs during the year.
Last year. I've done q&a's on Discord.
I want to try to do those on video because it's hard to type.
I have long thoughts. In case you guys don't know this
ship chasing on you as hard to type all my answers every week.
So I was hoping to maybe do that as a premium stream.
Basically, the Q&A with the audience.
That would be a founding member of thing.
There's gonna be a little like perks like that, but I mean,
most of the stuff I want to make available to regular subs, so
it's not going to be like, there's gonna be a ton of stuff
cordoned off, just for founding members, it's more just an
option for people that want to support it basically awesome.
It's, it's not an exciting sales pitch.
Wewe got to be a good stream though.
Good premium stream. Yeah, it'll be fun.
What are you going to start? Narrating your podcast like
that? That I'm not doing that ever.
Fuck. Yeah I edit allowed.
So it is actually it's doubles as like my final edit on the
post so I did the good. That is actually kind of a nice
little check there. Yeah, all right.
So maybe okay. This is this could be fun here
between quarterbacks and potential.
So this drafter starts Bijan and JT, are they feeling behind the
eight ball or not? Het.
Feeling behind me. Let's see.
I think that oh he's fine. I think Lamar here is pretty
pretty sick though. I'm definitely on board with
that Grant. You have any other takes?
I want to go lower over the running backs.
I do. Yeah, I mean Lamar's not hear a
lot now. Well, Marcus 310 is not a thing.
He's moving up into the early third.
Wow, really I haven't seen that much in mind.
Well, I'm he's got a teepee 31. Yeah, we're at 34 but I mean I
have no problem with him but yeah, I guess I just haven't
seen him feeling steamy. I felt this feels like a nice
little value to me, but I got one, I'll probably be wrong on
this and miss and that'll suck, but I will probably be out on
Cubies. At the, in the first few rounds,
for my first few drafts personally.
I just think this is a mistake. Like, I mean, I understand the
logic behind it, but I do think it's too much weight being put
on it. Narrows the path to the elite
ceilings that you need. I think it definitely does.
But and well, let's let's make our pic and then because I think
I kind of feel like similar to the wide receiver ADP.
Where it's Difficult to counter this quarterback ATP which makes
I don't like this much of the wide receiver ATP.
It's not like to me. I'm like you know obviously
we've been saying my receivers got to get your web severs for
years and now everyone's getting wide receivers and so I feel
comfortable of quarterback. It's all feels.
Yeah, Gibbs. Get it seems fine.
We are universally an agreement. That's I mean, make me feel a
lot better about the Jackson because that's right.
Because the to V2 I'm guessing we would have gone gives and
then we would have taken like one of them are Fields if they
made it back. Probably right.
Yeah, but I'm a big fan of Lamar this year.
I think he's really fun. Yeah, you can say, yeah, I've
got two later, it's easy to do, obviously, we can't get it.
I think he should be a tear up from fields, at least.
Yeah, so I mean, I think, I think he's got the same ceiling
as the top three guys. Yeah, but we're talking about,
is likely to hit it. Yeah, for sure.
I mean, he's always had ceiling like that.
We talked about that we talked about last year, like, Lamar and
Kyler were, I think there were there were good bets to make
last year, they both got hurt. What are you gonna do?
You know, I mean and they weren't like great when they
were healthy either. But They certainly have the type
of ceiling where they could have got on a run late in the year if
they were healthy and been a huge part of the story of the
2022 season instead they both weren't playing.
So like you know that's just the way it works but he's a he's
absolutely got that ceiling. I mean we know that for sure we
can't be doing value Hound Woo's on point for picks a running
back. Is ship Chaser draft.
Honestly that's it. Each draft.
Geez, that this, now, this is a visual I would not if I could
get a Llamar Andrew stack without jumping at ATP, I would
absolutely not myself. Your only chance of doing that
would be probably at the 312, right?
You could maybe. Yeah, maybe maybe get them
there. Good point by Michael here, team
nine, Bijan, Jonathan Taylor Breeze Hall Justin Fields.
It will be fun too. See how they recover here.
I think it's going to be tough man, I think it's been really
tough. I personally I think this start
like was okay you know a couple years ago and it did really
well. I think in 2020 right maybe not
with the only quarterback or not but I really think it's it's
tough to do this kind of start and it's kind of a classic hyper
fragile or a few takes like one more the very end or whatever.
It's yeah, you gotta stop with the front.
You gotta say Bijan Jonathan Taylor and Bruce Hall and those
are all exceptional talents. Like you got to say they're
going to be the top three running backs and they can be
like and I have all three of them and now I'm going to build
like that's all I need. And that's that's been a
successful strategy so far. He hasn't done anything.
Hasn't made any mistakes. But I just think that this this
environment it just makes that build so much harder.
I would say, wouldn't you? And I'm like I'm not a three
tied in guy but this like almost has to be Like a late tight end
build like he just has to absolutely rip wide receivers
here. I think so.
Yeah, even if he does if he could we could end up liking
this team. I think if he were yeah, 10 from
this point on Yeah. It's a it's definitely not
impossible. I don't actually think this room
is particularly wide receiver heavy as someone in the chat,
just said all Underdog drafts this year or wide receiver
heavy. This isn't actually an avalanche
room. I don't think Yeah, you're
probably right. That's a really interesting new
username here to unstack quarterbacks have been tell us
about whether it's hard to do though.
Yeah. What's your thought?
I mean, look at these guys, to go to Chuck it around.
I'm going to take over the AFC. I like Sam's team here from the
seven whole the Josh Allen dig stack reminder a week 17 bring
Brack Keenan Elite tight end with Kettle at 55 fun team.
That's all right. Our tight ends are here for us.
If we want them, the team's behind us don't have a tight end
yet, so if we do want an elite tight end, we got to take it.
Now, I'm in, let's duplicate one.
Let's it's fucking carpet season.
Was that? We could we already have Google
so we could go with the correlation, but, dude, I am
what you're saying. I'm gonna be, but let's just do
pizzas better, but the hook has been has been getting Tighter
and Tighter on me. I told myself I wasn't I'm going
to be really in on pits again this year.
But dude, I think about it just a second so much kelp.
It's a dude. There's no fucking wagon.
Go that bad again. There's no way I refuse to
believe it's possible. You can seriously get him in the
six like very easily. I like to unlock it stopped.
Just agree with the stuff we're looking for.
Well we have I was looking to see if we had any correlation
tiebreakers in this. Here.
Yeah and I don't I'm not seeing anything gratitude to God when
you're five then he's ATP to. So screwed Pat's ranks or am I
really drank good? Yeah, I just I just used my
founding tear sub to see. You got a value Hound.
Chris God, when they're over. Tyler Lockett.
John said, I think Godwin's pretty significantly under prize
that's going to be a take in mind for A while at this price
as well, there's no way. I mean I think you should be
going ahead of DJ more. He's he's he's incredibly
talented Godwin. Whenever healthy has been very
productive, I love DJ more but like Godwin doesn't have the
same concerns about past volume like they're going to come back
to earth. They don't have anymore but they
broke records last year. Like there's still a past team
for the most part I would guess it's not like they're a great
running team. Richard white didn't have a
great rookie year for most like a fish.
See metrics their team is, the strength is still, our receivers
Godwin was coming off an ACL last year was better down the
stretch after he got healthy. After that London game, when he
said, he's finally healthy, I don't understand the disrespect.
I'm Chris Goblin. His price is insane Evans.
I get cuz he's a little bit older and there's a, you can see
if a and this and that. But like, I really like the
talents there with Godwin, you can't get me to buy that and it
does feel. And it's funny that we were
comparing him to Tyler. It.
Because in some ways it does feel a bit like the Seahawks
heading in to last year where everyone's like oh we don't
trust this quarterback situation.
Yeah, we like Lockett Metcalf but like we're so worried about
this offense that we're going to give you these really depressed
prices and it's like a lot of the risk starts to get zapped
out of it. Once these guys are falling,
it's like Mike Evans was a mid second round pick last year and
now he's going here. Same, I mean, Chris Godwin had
the injury. So he was cheap last year, too,
but I don't know. I like the idea that you're
going on Ben of like, betting on.
In fading noise about like, oh, this team isn't going to be a
top five offense, it's the same thing.
I mean, I think the Seattle receivers are great conquerors.
The same thing as G know last year where everyone was sure,
they were bad and they were there.
Great pics. I don't think Baker's gonna be
amazing, but the range of past volume is solid enough and he
can be solid enough from an efficiency standpoint.
I think can be selling enough, an efficiency standpoint that's
not going to completely crater everything.
I mean it's just he's cheap enough in the sixth round at
this point. This guy was Like once a, you
know, first round Dynasty wide receiver type a set, or one to
turn and then he tore his ACL. And again now he's back to
health, I don't get it. I mean, I hate.
It's I am not very annoying Godwin.
I just think the the offense is Potentially a disaster.
And like these coaches don't want to pass the ball.
I know they did last year with Brady, but like it's different.
When you go from Tom, Brady to Baker Mayfield, like you got
guys that aren't at this point, you're just trying not to get
fired. You know, you're going to you
just want to be the guy who gets the coach of the the 101.
So I don't think that all we did say all those things about the
Seahawks, they're not going to run the ball going for Russell
Wilson to Drew lock. You know, is like that's true.
We did say that this. um, we could get another eagle with
DeAndre Swift any receivers here, we're just, oh God, the
stack we need, we need to get a stack here.
Yeah, we can make flowers goes higher than Bateman.
I'm not getting over Flowers. I think we just get Bateman
right now because we're going to have to take them with one of
these two picks, right? I mean, yeah, it's either 82 or
87 because he's not coming to 106.
Yeah, everything else was flat there to must be?
I don't know, I didn't hear anyone talking the table for
anything but I didn't see no. No, I think.
Splat, yeah, yeah, but we kind of like dicked around.
We needed a wide receiver there. At which one?
Just I think with that pick we needed a ride home.
Oh yeah. I promised I'd like to get one
with this big to we can. That was technically an ATP
reach but the for all the reasons were saying it wasn't it
wasn't any like this is flat. We were going to take him on the
way back if not there. You know I mean you're certainly
I didn't come on the way back after that.
It has to be at this turn. If you want to stop, we got
locked out a little bit. To be honest we definitely got
locked up but baby it's a good pick as a wide receiver for I
like that. I'm not on that.
Yeah, yeah and my thought would be to double stack em.
Here was a I mean I'll pound the table for his price as well.
Like he shouldn't be going that late.
Let's see who's a grad. Let's do that?
Yeah, yeah, let's go. I mean, this is, this is what we
were talking about though, with, like, when we're picking on the
turn here. Yes, we're reaching.
But we don't pick until 106. And then we mention, like, we're
kind of look like sudden is the guy straddling that tear break
fence and then it just falls off.
And so way off might as well, get them with the double stack.
That's, I mean, that's, that's fun.
Double stack, I love that. Yeah, it is stacked up and Jet
pulses. Let's go by the way.
The Seahawks have the same or the Buccaneers.
Have the same offensive coordinator at this.
Seahawks had last year apparently.
So you know the Seahawks stuff but I guess I mean bigger.
Mayfield was so unbelievably bad last year.
I mean, worse quarterback in the entire league worse than Zach
Wilson. EPA per play like just a fucking
travesty. Yeah.
And you shit. Gino like wasn't he wasn't that
bad in 2021? Like he wasn't great but he
wasn't. He was like You know, I don't
know, man. It's like, yes, this is a lot
like the Seahawks, but like often offense, that's probably
not going to be super psyched to pass the ball and might have
horrendous quarterback play does not feel like a comfortable spot
for me to be drafting a more of a volume based receiver.
And I've actually I've been more non Evans because I'm like, he
can get there with touchdowns, he can get that he can he can
suck suck suck, good week. That's kind of who Mike Evans
has always been And Chris Godwin's more like, you're just
targets targets targets. And if the team's not converting
third Downs, if they're having a pain all the time, God, when I
think is at more risk of the offense being a disaster.
That's a fair take. But I think I take issue with
That's like all that God wouldn't can be or like I'm not
saying you said that but if that's the implication because I
think that's what he was coming off the ACL almost
intentionally, right? But then I'm checking right now,
I thought as a DOT was a little higher later in the year, it
doesn't look like it was actually meaningfully higher,
but obviously earlier in his career he's been able to win
down the field as well. He has shown that like,
especially in this first couple years when he was a part-time
player, he was like a vertical threat and then he became more
of Of a volume Target guy. I think without I think that was
more of a Brady thing. Like I think they want to talk
about a different offense and things his role could be
different but it's a fair point. It's a fair point.
He does need if he came out on the flip side if you and stuff
and then I think that I like him a lot more.
A lot of this stuff with his Target.
Target Target stuff was just like straight wide receiver
screens which I like I mean even Baker, can't fuck that up.
That just gimme passes. Like if he's still getting you
say that but you know, I mean probably, A lot it's that's I
mean but anything that's just like a, you know, free reception
like that he's probably still gonna be able to pull that off.
Yeah, our hypothesis Baker's higbee.
I love that pig for Baker's time at the end here at the ramp the
are are hyper fragile. Het drafter that we had so much,
hope for has now gone to cubies and forth.
Running back through eight. I think you're done, man.
Good luck. So, Rogers with Wilson, makes a
ton of sense. Unless you think we can push it.
If there's a really big prize for pushing it, but it seems
kind of flat. I mean, maybe Penny would be
kind of a fun little evils bet you have like a more than the
other running backs I did too but one let's do that.
And push quarterback. Man, we have an elite.
Okay yeah like that actually do like that Penny Penny does make
sense with the Eagles but yeah. Yeah, I like him cause adjusted
more than Swift for sure. Yeah, he's okay teary.
I mean, especially in Half Point, PPR like, I mean, he's an
efficient Runner. Yeah, he's not ever healthy but
as long as he can stay on the field for some of the time
though, I think he's going to be playable a lot of those weak.
Smile Sanders was like, really playable on rushing only like I
expect Penny to be most of that him.
We got Rogers. How nice it has, no fear.
There are multiple other Miami running backs.
We can set up. For Baltimore correlation here.
Yeah, that's the easiest one. You just go I would man.
Don't you wish there was a third because it's Cedric Wilson,
right? And then Braxton Barrios and
who's going to? Yeah.
Who's going to be the third? Well do you know who else?
Chosen Anderson. Oh that's right.
Yeah. He was so dust though and he
landed on the states last year. He's with the dolphins.
Yeah, yeah. I mean honestly of those guys
Braxton is kind of the one time. I've drafted that The Fringe
Dolphins wide receiver. I went Braxton, I'm going rocks
in a couple times. Is it a fucked-up?
Take that, I I mean, I kind of want, I just want a towel racks
and I just want to our lives and they have him listed as Robbie
chosen they did. That does official name.
He knoweth any will chose to handle close in Anderson?
Sorry. Yeah.
Well they change the wrong name. Yeah well I was gonna say is it
a fucked-up thing me to kind of want him to just flame out
because I don't I'm going to make that mistake too much with
his name, like that. Yeah.
Well do you know what's kind of the read?
The other reason? I kind of like Barrios is I
mean, I know they didn't use gusinsky a lot last year, but
they have no third wide receiver and no tight end.
Like, yes, well, you know, you know, I drafted today in a Draft
Kings draft 20 rounds, Durham Smythe serums fight 20 rounds, I
guess 20 rounds. But honestly, like Braxton
Barrios, could get a decent amount of burn over the middle.
You could although avoid Durham. I mean, I thought the same about
Cedric Wilson last year, who is pretty solid.
I mean, there is no kiseki there.
They were so concentrated. I think they're hyper
concentrated team on their Stars.
I think it's gonna be Tyreke in well, I think so too.
Alright maker says this team is fire.
Let me service the audio listeners who are feeling a
little left out in the cold right now.
We have Lamar Jackson and Aaron Rodgers, our running backs or
Junior Gibbs and Rashad Penny. We have AJ, Brown Garrett,
Wilson, Chris God, when Rashad Bateman's a flowers at wide
receiver tight end, Kyle pits. So a skinny stack right now with
Rogers to Wilson, double stack, with Lamar and then I bet on
Philly with penny in AJ Brown funteam, such a fucking sexy
team, I love this team fun, I don't know, I'm not super in on
Zay flowers, the prospect but like obviously fits in this
build. I think every other player on
the team and I guess Aaron Rodgers doesn't matter every
other player on this team. I'm like super excited to have
on our roster it's like oh it's one of those teams were just
like it's all fit together really nicely to but like
they're all really fun players. By the way, is a flowers.
I'm not super excited about either, but some of the guys he
comp to for me were statistically, we're like
Kendall Wright and Michael Floyd who both he's smaller than
Michael Floyd but like they're kind of, you know, similarly
productive for your players. And those guys were considered
bus but they both had like pretty productive early careers
and I cannot write was sweet for a couple years.
Yeah, he was. Yeah, I think he's like ready.
I don't think he's ever going to be.
That good. But I think he's gonna come in
and like do stuff right away. So he could actually be a pretty
nice, you know, ninth tenth round, best ball, pick.
And ideally, I'd like to get him more in like the 11th, but I
don't think that's gonna happen. So, Kendall Wright, 94 catches
thousand and seventy nine yards in the second season, but he
only scored twice. So it wasn't like, you know,
ninety four catches PPR man back then 2013 who had to be up there
around the league. Lead is this true?
It's Paul says Durham spice 80. Be in the draft, King
self-contained league is 95, how did that happen?
It's how this d'oeuvres Durham's mom grinding out her head and
12th. MFL tense.
She loves cash cast, the cash gave Queen.
This is Smythe. How was that possible?
That that's in the. What the eighth round?
That's his average draft position implying.
He's gone higher than that. Please.
Yeah. Could you send us a screenshot
of this somehow? I Really early, like, we need to
find. I actually want to pull this up
some out, so Herbert with our get or with our pets.
We need Arby's. Oh yeah. 47 pics past graduate
on board with that. Yeah, get it.
I like Herbert's good. He's been falling.
This is now I think the third straight draft I've done today.
We're Herbert's lid, where do the other Bears backs?
Go, they're still on the board, but like, Roshan's creeping up.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Roshan flip, Khalil Herbert with
how much the Slappy's love Roshan.
We could look at what are the other positions going on?
So we're done at quarterback, running back and wide receiver.
And tight end here. If we want that, the chat is is
thirsty for some week, 17 correlation.
We do have dpj on a Cleveland, bring back if we want.
Tight end, I think we could wait for a likely or a Conklin with
pits. So, I think I'm some Parolees.
Niko's fucking awesome. So I like Nico and we're still
kind of A digression we could do G PJ but I don't pat loves Nico.
What's I love Nika? He wrote a whole article about
it real hard. Look at the article about him
before it was cool. Yeah and it was a good article
before the draft, I read it as an Eco skeptic and left and went
and looked up his profile and all my stuff too.
And was like, you know what, I guess we'll have to back-to-back
comments in the chat that are cracking me up.
Roshan will be the starter by week, 17 followed up by who are
the Slappy's? Give them the Gretsch looking
up. I've gotten that a couple times.
Now, been buying for told me on the elite tight end stuff that
when I talk about the, the share of Kelsey Andrews and Kittles
that they account for 41%, of the time in Spike weeks last
year, he was like, I don't believe you, my girl went and
looked it up. It's like it.
So you get a legendary upside. I wasn't saying, I don't believe
you, but I was just like I wanted to see something else on
Nico, but that's that is a Request because I was just like,
that's not how I remembered, you know, some element of his
numbers. What am I missing here?
And then in getting into it, I was like, oh, you know, he
actually is pretty interesting, this is a great Cole.
Michael says, don't Kincaid falling a bit 138.
It's because Liam is drafting on DraftKings.
These days momentary dip and his ATP.
By the way, I did a pod with Liam today, I had a one
legendary upside podcast and We were going through, we kind of,
we didn't have quite enough time.
We were getting this really interesting conversation about
the 19th and 20th rounds on draft King, type of players who
want to Target their somebody's face running backs there.
And he's like, I got to go, I got to go and then he found in
the last like three seconds. He found time to tell 19 mines
which is the first time he attended a bill, the whole
thing. He snuck it in.
Wow he was just like he wasn't going to let this dream in
without one Bill Stout. I'm about to bite on this.
What is the night he Minds? Take, yeah, I really should ask
that there wasn't time for him to fully do the tell.
He might just producer cut. Yeah, I mean, I guess the cook
Damien Harris and they brought in latavius Murray and Heinz was
basically a punt returner only for him after the trade last
year. He was like, I thought about
cutting Hines and Dynasty. I was like, I don't really have
any reason to hold this guy anymore.
Looks like he's going to punt returner the rest of his career.
Hey guy real quick. We Got Austin in my mentions.
Here confirming on DraftKings. The board goes like Jared job.
Terms. Fight.
Gave David's killer. That's a psyop that is
photoshopped. That's awesome.
Oh shit. Also shout-out to all you guys
riding the self-contained leagues over there.
Can you tweet you that you're trying to catch a value on
Durham? Smythe, get numb Fest anything?
Yeah. That's incredible.
Oh my God, memes. Wow.
I've seen them go. Yeah, that's early, I'm ready?
Yeah, but I've said I think the two biggest risers or what I was
saying is two guys, I think are going to become not values on
Underdog pretty soon. But will probably stick around
his eyes on DraftKings, Marvin memes and Jaden read.
I think those guys get steamed. So I had a choice in a dynasty
draft. The other day.
My last, my last first round pick or I guess, I've won more
the ship Chasing one, waiting up, but I had to pick between
men's and Rishi rice. I actually looked at their
Underdog atp's to get an idea of what the market like Tan on your
one Rishi, Riesling, three rounds higher.
Mims, has a higher Dynasty ATP and dpj at ATP.
Get both. Yeah, let's do it.
Do we need that first stack? It's a bring back week. 17 Jets,
bring back. Okay, we're at that level
already. I don't like, I don't like that
other people's Jones, but that's the right decision.
I've learned from you guys. I also like how this is lining
up for a running back selection here to?
Yeah, we need a fourth running back.
But I think we're, we have to. We have three guys that make ya,
a lot of sense. Yeah, we do.
I can. Yeah I can make the case for for
multi talking about algier. Most certain Foreman Terry,
because we already had another Texan.
But yeah, I mean, I think most courts subject moster would be
my preference. Great, yeah.
Yeah, that's our main stack. I like that.
All right, we're we're all the week, 17 correlation hounds.
We just tossed. You a bone dpj, and Ricky most
are correlated with our two main quarterbacks tax.
You happy Bring back. So not even Stacks.
Those are bring backs bring back.
Hmm. I've saw this take on Twitter, I
forget who tweeted it out. I think, was it a?
It wasn't Madison. Might have been Madison tweeted
out Rashi rice. Is this year's Jalen told her
Stolen Valor Alex credit that take Madison and it did trigger
me when I saw it. I mean he absolutely.
That's the thing about how big this this wide receiver class
has any of those guys could be Mingo Etc, but they're still the
best bets on the board at least where they are right now.
I agree. Yeah.
And told her I mean was it third round pick?
It's a little different second. And third is a little different.
They traded up to get him in the second caught 90 something
passes last year. Assuming I mean, I almost want
rice / Mims and that dynasty pick.
I think he's gonna I mean, I'll just keep making the same bad, I
don't care. I don't think Scott Moore was
about that. I'll say it.
Like why, what about the logic for this guy more play was, but
sometimes we miss sometimes, we miss on Veterans, do Everyone
who loves that smashes on Sky more, was in on Zeke last year.
At price was fucking loving it. God, Zeke is going in the fifth
round, I can't believe it. And we were like, dude, never
draft seek, no matter what you do.
Yeah. If like Sky more can't have like
Guy chore came along. I'd be drafting the hell out of.
Ya, drop my point. By the way, is it's easier on a
miss when it's like a z, can you go?
Oh well, I've seen it before. We've talked about this in past
years, but like when you've seen it before, it doesn't hurt as
bad, just like I fell off. You got old what everyone over
the age Cliff. But when you were wrong about a
young player, it's like, oh, you got way to hiked you, you bought
the Hypes. It's not, it was a cost.
Adjusted bet. Sometimes they miss me.
Miss what? I mean, I'm fine.
What else? On more and this is what I was
mentioning this with Liam. I I do think I made a mistake
with more of not just going over to Draft Kings and skupin more
their last year instead like and chasing him up the underdog
George Fair, his price is ridiculous.
I mean, Evan makes a great point, he's going to runs a
daycare, it will seem like we were obviously saying, Karen
Wilson was the best value of the whole draft like pretty much all
summer. Like all of us we agreement on
that. Yeah, I just took, there are
argue icy skites guys. Price got a little Rich.
Yes, I'm Saying in like in a vacuum.
I'm okay with the BET and making the bed in those General rounds,
whether it was like if it would have got a ninth or tenth round
price of living better but yeah the seventh round was a little
Rich. That's fair.
Yeah. Yeah.
Rondell would have been kind of fun if you made it back,
although we what do we have seven wide receivers.
Yeah. Where did 24/7 once or at least
going to get one more tight end and then we have two more pics.
One is definitely a running back and then I think it comes down
to is it a six running back or eight wide receiver team?
I prefer, I think I'd like to do this is to force six figures
6820. You're right.
Sorry, we have four picks. Yeah, we can do it 2682 for
sure. That's what I think.
The best move is. Yes, I like to treat Jameer
Gibbs like he's a super expensive. 0 running back pick.
Yeah, it does. It feels a little thin for a
5rb. Build, I love that.
I like the way to because it's not guaranteed, you know,
volume. He's gonna have some low weeks.
It's not like a guy that you know, is going to get 20 touches
like, yeah, I'm I'm here for the double tap on Dolphins.
Running backs at this price. What about taysom?
Who correlates with Godwin? It's a week 17, bring back.
I would prefer to to push tight end because we have other Alton
Conklin and likely Yeah, I like that.
Let's push that out and do chapels and I'm good with that.
Oh, it's like, oh, I'm the only guy that gets to take two
Dolphins. Running backs on the same team,
win the money and then I'm going to gate keep that strategy
forever going forward. It's just something like these
so that's all I did that. I did that today.
Actually, I took Murphy mustard, Jeff Wilson, but you can't do
it. Aye, aye.
I heard dick Davis made take on ATP chasing that.
I completely co-signed. He talked about Jeff will And I
think all three Dolphins running backs our targets and I want to
have my exposure scaled or weighted towards the cheapest
ones. I think most are in Jefferson
are absolute smashes at these prices absolutely completely
group that it's not taking anything away from a chain.
He he's a fun Beth to but man, this is a wide-open back.
It is interesting to be on the other side of the height train
though, because I think the communities, it's really excited
about a chain and that landing spot and it on Draft night, if
you were on Twitter, I mean, there was a, there was a lot of
excitement. And yeah, part of that leaves
you the ability to say, well look, most certain Wilson are
now. I mean, like this take but a
chain has to be the guy. Yeah, yeah, this is a great
take, but a chain has to be the guy for most sort of Wilson.
One of them to not hit. And I don't think it's that
obvious. It's, in fact, I think it's very
clearly not that obvious for the audio listeners, Joshua saying
that they're the new San Francisco and that, yeah, it
can, I not talk gonna tase him? I think about scratching to
taste them. I want, Schubert Tasha.
Usually correlates with me. Alright, I'll take too much, I
would prefer chuba still, but if you guys want the correlation
and ties, yeah, that's right. Like a relation with.
Nico, nothing. Well, yeah, what we're getting
is a running back who know what his role is.
Yeah, I chew was a better pick. Like a tear better, right?
I mean I think I think that's a good pick you too.
You guys have. So now we're now we're nice and
done. We're like fully done at running
back. We did it.
Yeah, she was a great pick, their yeah, running bucks.
Man, I can't believe I couldn't talk.
He has any taste them though. Save that for your, these are
what? He's, a running back.
Who plays tight ends, I let look by.
I listen to you guys. Talk about that today because I
was binging ATP chasing and my counter to the stuff to is.
And I will say he has gotten a little cheaper of late.
There was earlier in the drafts. He's I don't know if it was the
big boards or whatever he was going like 140 in some of those.
It must have been pre Foster burrow or whatever he's dropped
down a little bit. Funny position.
All I'm saying is I don't know why he dropped but he was going
earlier. My thing was part of the appeal
of taste, some last year, was they legit did not have a
quarterback? And there was a good chance
tasin was going to start like six to eight games at
quarterback. Like that was a human house till
he crushed. And that didn't happen.
He didn't Crush. He was his, he did.
He just didn't like the tight end eight or something.
Shut up. Show me all the winning best
faulty ABS he was that's because tight end saw me.
Like he had the 13 touchdown game.
Yeah, and then again, I don't suppose it was for touchdown.
Game he threw for three TVs and ran for three and through one.
And he'd already ran for two prior to that.
And he got, he got two teeth rushing TDS in the fantasy
playoffs as well, but to roughing TV's not a lot of not a
lot of touch tight ends, get to rushing TDS in the game.
Seems kind of cool. Seems got a cool that's possible
and he did and we didn't even get he was tied in six.
He finished tight end 6 because of that one game and and
touchdowns really like, because that's one, game is the story of
like, literally, every tight end, who is an elite, because
that one name is, like, literally the story for every
time. Here's the thing, you don't get
to tout. Tase him for weeks.
I've seen correlation when you didn't originally even want the
Tampa Bay Bucs pick on know, you know, cause I hope that's not
how correlation work. Let's make a bet.
Then you follow through on the bed.
So you guys are like, we need God.
When they're gonna be good, then we pass this much.
Only passing so much. Volume in that game and week 17.
Maybe we want another piece from the other side.
No no. You know what?
You know what, you know what taysom hill is like taysom Hill.
Is like when people talk about Bitcoin being worth a million
dollars and it's like, you don't want to live in the world where
that happens because the grid has gone down and the car was
just completely blown up and that's what your Bitcoins good.
That's what taste of Eagle League.
Winner is like you don't want to live in the world.
I don't want to say something I do.
Fortunately, unfortunately Pat you have convinced me.
He and And looking at this stat page, like he had more carries
last year than you had it any other season in his career.
I didn't realize that been now consider the Camaro's, getting
suspended, and they're replacing him with a rookie and Jamaal
Williams, think he might be some more touchdowns and taste Mills
future, hmm? Jamaal Williams scored nine
million touchdowns last year, I know, I know, but then the team
that may let him do that said you can go elsewhere and you
know maybe they maybe he doesn't Their coaches, don't love them
as much as they love taysom Hill.
I mean, dude, the fact that the new coaching staff was like I
don't think Sean Payton was using this guy enough, is this?
It's a hell of an outcome for taste.
Like I just didn't think that was in the range.
I prefer that. I didn't you?
That's new information. We should be use that new
afford. Yeah, it's fair.
That is new information. I didn't realize that I didn't
think Sean Payton was using this guy.
Not was never a possibility of my mind without a boss
possibility. I thought I thought the taste
something was like a fun bit last year, but I hate to tell
you Pete. I've been fully radicalized.
Yeah, have fun with that. Tyler Conklin did get snipe from
us. I did like likely with Alomar
team with pets wagon. Perfect.
Yeah, that was the biggest reason I was fine with it was I
thought Conklin am like we both made sense.
Likely is a fun one for sure. That, that is also why I didn't
Really pound the table. I mean, this is a hugely hedge.
Obviously, there's we don't wish introduced on anyone, but if
Mark Andrews goes down there, still scenarios where, if, if
Bateman is a hit and flowers as a hit the passing game, can
still be good enough. Lamar can still be good enough,
likely flowers, I mean, if Andrews mrs.
Time this is a, we have, we have their, their whole passing you.
So I do you think we're a wide receiver here, there's some fun
options. We could go for the unstacked.
Houston thing with Dell. And Nico.
We go Cedric Tillman for a second Jets.
Bring back. We could scroll down to a Corey
Davis. I don't know if Davis is even
there though. I know they're saying he will be
but I don't think yeah yeah I would say Geller Tillman.
I like Tillman big. Wow.
I want to go adjust your ranks Bud.
Yes. Alright actually will adjust my
right. Actually, I'm gonna just say not
as I do, gotta give and take Della had a head of Cedric
German. Okay.
Oh, hey, are hyper fragile guy joyed?
Head draft was getting a bit murky, but I think I recovered
didn't realize this was a ship chasing draft.
Yeah, that would've been good. If it's only are we already
heard you? We buried you and you took care
of years. I'm sorry.
Okay. So you did you did Rip wide
receiver after that though. Yeah, you really ripped it.
You didn't want it. You've punted tight ends.
Let's go, let's go. Look at this.
Yeah, we're sausage to 14th and ask for the sauce, but here it
comes. Okay, you want the sauce, the
Acres pick is probably the worst.
First one in this bill. Yeah, that's the only pic I
think is like a mistake. Yeah, it is pretty dirty still.
Yeah, I mean stacked up Richardson with both Alex
Pearson. Josh towns.
I think that's kind of fun. I like the Hodgins pick.
I think the Hodgins pick is like a, you need upside.
You need to do to get this, be like a starting wide receiver.
He at least has a chance to be Yeah.
All right. So to recap our team, we
finished with the 268 to build. Lamar Jackson and Aaron Rodgers,
our running backs. Jameer Gibbs, Richard Penny
Khalil Herbert where he most heard Jeff Wilson chuba, Hubbard
wide receivers AJ, Brown Garrett Wilson, Chris God.
When we shot Bateman's Day flowers, Nico Collins, dpj
Cedric, Tillman tight ends, Kyle pits, and Isaiah likely, no
notes, Perfection, shut it down. That's a good 10 minutes for my
ranks that. Yeah.
What do you feel? What do you think about this
team? I dig it.
I mean it's it's always for me. It's always tough to draft
players that I don't like drafting like yeah, we talked
about it on bananas, a decent amount like we try to draft guys
we really like and that's in large part because we're playing
You know, 20 or fewer high-stakes leagues, we really
care about and wanting, you know, a specific concentration
of players, even in the later rounds, it's not how you do it
in this. And this, you have to be willing
to play into uncertainty and obviously I write a lot about
that and I'm very aware of uncertainty guys.
Like Cedric tellman like I don't love as a player but he makes a
lot of sense in this build and it would not be that surprising
if he has a really good year, right?
Or like safe I was like those are not rookies that I'm in on I
have don't have on any Dynasty. Rosters didn't take them in any
of my dancing. Drafts.
But there's still a rookie receivers and I've been wrong
before. I was like, not that into
krisiloff a last year and that didn't work.
So, The structure of the team is awesome.
I basically I just want to draft with you guys forever.
Like it's like the the the quickness with which you guys
identify the structural stuff I'm going to struggle with when
I start doing my own faster ask. But this, a Fontina years you're
gonna, you're gonna pick it up so quickly, dude.
Like you get 15 drafts on your belt and then, you know, the
board for that's like all money be able to get done.
And I mean, I might not even get 1500 my belt faster house,
before I back in my home state. So this is chocolate.
So drafts and might be a terrible suggestion.
But in the fast drafts, I this Davis manic taught me this
trick. You just star everybody on the
team. You just took a player from and
then the opposing week 17, so memorized the schedule.
I'll give a shout-out to my week, 17 memory devices.
So switch is kind of a joke, but honest to God, I like I had the
schedule memorized like, after writing it.
I was like, okay, what do you know what?
I really enjoyed that but I was disappointed.
Pointed. Because if there was ever a time
for you to dust off the guitar in sing, that that was the time,
man. You still can't.
It's not too late. It's gonna release my about
week. So, Dave, yes, yes.
Oh no, I will. I wanted to just look at our
team that we drafted. It was my seventh draft.
It was what two weeks ago because I wasn't here Gretchen,
I were Out here just to look at how this team has aged.
We had another 268 to build two and Derek Carr.
Ramon, Dre, Javonte Williams, Eli Mitchell Mitchell.
Kendra Miller, Jeff Wilson in Izzy wide receivers.
Tyree kill olave, Mike Williams. Trailing Burke's locket Rashi
rice at 1:48. He's definitely moved up.
Marvin Mims at 172 Isaiah Hodgins and then kittel and
McBride. So honestly like a very similar
structure and team with the elite tight ends.
I guess, here we do have the Slightly more expensive.
Anchor running back relative to Gibbs but very similar but we're
quarterbacks quarterbacks to end.
Derek Carr on this, I guess we have later than with the Lamar
right but then slightly better wide receivers here in this mid
range with Mike Williams swapped out for the Lamar pick
essentially. So we didn't we didn't look in
any bring backs but Oh yeah, you're right cuz this was pre
schedule. Yeah.
Yep. I like the Denver thing.
We did. We get Mims, we got Javonte.
Denver. Oh, now I'm blanking.
I said I memorized it all. Denver plays, the Chargers.
So when you get a Chargers. Yeah.
Oh, we got Mike Williams. All right.
So you Gotta Laugh Denver fonte. Exactly.
It was just as we drew it up there, that's just as we drew it
up. Um, favorite non SC team in this
draft. I don't know if we get it's hard
to go through these spags. Whose bags finally took Nagi.
Spaags goes really thin at tight end Irv and Michael Mayer.
Jimmy Garoppolo back. You got older.
They're both stacked ones to bring back one stacked with
Jimmy. Yeah.
Who work. It's easier to kind of look at
the board. This way I did like Sam's team
when he was starting. He had The nice structure going
there and then kind of built out a big buffalo stack with James
Cook. Dalton, Kincaid, that look nice.
Our friend Gary here, who said we were forcing him into a
boomer team that started Kelsey and Eckler fell on the Dalvin
cook. Landmine at 89 javante at 104,
Alvin Kamara. So all of the falling running
backs there, and I kind of like him at those prices.
Yeah, the Camaro not as much. But the other two, I've done
this one a few times. I love that little cheap, mini
late Shakira and taekwon Thornton.
That's not the fun. Yeah, yeah, anything else.
Stand out to you guys. Mmm.
What did what are the other? See drafter do.
CMC drafter do went Berkeley, then Andrews and then London,
Cristian Kirk Tyler, Lockett Trail and Burkes stacked up.
Gino with locket, sniped, Allen Lazard, from us, my God.
Yeah, if I love this team, I was gonna ask about think it was. 12
was the most 0r B Team. How did their team 1200.
He did the Jalen hurd's davontea Christian Watson Jerry Judy got
the ghadir so the double stack Marquis Brown and then went
okay, Mega Eagles, their Swift, David Montgomery, a chain Harris
Gibson? What man, and I've done this
myself, I have had the one draft where I took a third, I took
Kyler on a on an elite QB team. But that was at like pick one
ninety. I don't know how I feel about
three quarterbacks who was his first Church that 112?
Yeah. I'm not doing that.
Yeah honestly I might just think that it's a grand Jefferson.
Give me throw away. Yeah, exactly.
What do you think about going hurt Skylar?
I've considered that haven't done it.
Yet. You mean just as a general
pairing yeah because yeah hurts as a late by and they don't
share the same. By the only issue with Kyler
that makes them a tough pick. In general is that he also I
think as a week 14 by So in addition to like him, not
playing for a while he yeah you have to deal with the bye week.
So But I've kind of I've been thinking like oh if you, if you
basically don't need Kyler tongue because you have hurts
filling like every week for you, it's a way to sneak in some
upside as a cutie, too. I wanted to pull up this
question in the chat. Don't think this is one of our
regulars. William asked, how many entries
turn someone from a casual to someone doing this for real?
Do you think there's a threshold that helps diversify your
portfolio enough? First of all, I'd say I don't I
don't know what doing this for real means we're all just having
I'm fun blasting off but I think what you're I think he means
winning the two billion dollars. It's not an entry level.
Yeah. The one thing I'll say is the
more teams you draft, the more patience you have in drafts and
you start to kind of reorient, I think.
If I was only doing five drafts, like there's certain guys, I
would go and get like, I just want these guys on my team.
These are the guys I want to root for sweat for whatever, but
when you do more drafts, like the way, I personally approach
every draft, Is like I want to draft the best possible team for
this specific room. Yes, it's fun to look at the
exposures, and sometimes I use it to break ties, but I really
just want to bet draft the best possible team.
And I think the more drafts you do, it's easier to be at peace
with that. Like, so what I don't get this
stack, who cares? I'm going to draft the best
possible team with what I'm given.
And so, I think what once you get to 1520 drafts, I think that
starts to become a lot easier. Yeah, I think you want to do
enough drafts or you get sick of what you're doing, because
you're going to do the same thing.
A bunch. You're going to be like That's
the first like probably ten drafts you do maybe more like
15, even that you're going to be like, I've solved fantasy
football. I figured it out and I can every
time I go and I can just do this and that's what I quit, sounds
good. I can't can't believe I still
can do this. I can do this every time and
then you're like I'm bored of this.
It sucks. I just do the same thing and
then like getting over that to where you start to mix in some
more guys you're like, well I haven't really taken any this
guy, I don't hate them and then I think Pete's thing of like
you're trying to If the best possible team for that room, I
completely agree with. I think another way to think
about it is like, I want to draft the best possible version
of like, this structure or this stack.
So you get pushed onto and it's like, I don't like stacking up
Aaron Rodgers. But like, you know, you go
through your like, well, how, how do I stack up Aaron Rodgers.
I've been kind of pushed onto this.
How would I do? It's like, well, you know, I
probably take Lazard. I don't like Lazard either, but
he loves lizards. So I'm betting on Aaron Rodgers,
I guess I'm betting on. Those are two, you know what I
mean? They're whatever it is.
Like trying to think through like sometimes wind up on a
structure. I don't like, but I'm like, I'm
gonna draft him, drop this better than the way other people
drop the draft. This structure, I'm gonna like
lean into this, these ideas and what makes this structure work
when it works, OK? That's what I'm going to do.
I'm going to execute this structure the right way and have
fun with that. Yeah and I have been having fun
with. I've been drafting quote
unquote, more gross teams, I'm getting less of my own personal.
Our targets but I am drafting the structures.
I feel very confident about around players, I'm not normally
going out of my way to get because the draft rooms.
Just don't let me get the fun sexy players that I normally
like at a value. And I just like, I refuse to
reach just to get a guy that I want just because it makes me
happy. You know, like I'm just I'm just
not going to do that. Well then you just that
immediate right? Right, exactly Doug, Doug said,
I mean, should we close up the sauce because Doug said his
brothers, team three, and he feels like he does Busted the SE
group. Hey guys wait where's well yeah
that's a little worried cause I want to get to touch of greens
comment but we can do that. Let's do this first.
Now what will what will walk it off with a saucing?
His brother here? Who's feeling himself a little
too much? I did see this conversation
going around on Twitter. I've been thinking about it and
tossing it around in my head. I don't know if I have any cool
takes on it yet. Do you guys I miss this on
Twitter and it's just coincidentally.
I have a draft then, I'm broke. Draft based on some of these
ideas, I have about correlation basically my ideas, like it was
in sort of a response with different conversation going
around on Twitter of like we're correlation Falls in sort of the
things to keep track of and my take is that like if you're
comfortable with all the fundamentals of best while
drafting than it really Falls, not in that list but sort of
towards the side and becomes like a separate thing, you're
thinking about the entire draft and my belief is that if you're
comfortable with all the fundamentals, you're executing
all of those. Oh, and you can weigh all those
decisions, then you might not be thinking about correlation
enough and trying to build in additional games that like, that
Penny and AJ Brown thing, you know, like, that's the type of
stuff you'll want to be thinking about as you go.
That's not as obvious, but it's driven by correlation and the
reason you want to be doing stuff like that is, it'll create
more flexibility throughout your draft.
So it's like, well, yeah, I didn't get the original
quarterback that I wanted, but I already created this little mini
just kind of for fun and that many can become um, a backup
stack, you know, you Tech the quarterback on and you already
have a bring back and to stack you just need to add one more
wide receiver, you know, all that type of thing.
So this is actually a draft. I already had a quarterback.
I dropped it. Digs in the first round Alan on
the second. And I ended up getting boxed out
of Russell Wilson where I had a potential stack there I had a
Mike Williams and Courtland Sutton I didn't reach for Wilson
head of ATP. I tried to let him fall to me,
he didn't and I ended up getting Mac Jones is my quarterback to
and he plays the bills in week 17.
And I don't think it's ideal, but my take is like if you're
betting on Joshua. In particular, if you have digs
Allen, then he's got to hit your lineup in week 17, dude.
So really, it's about, you know, keeping the quarterback to price
low, which I did in that case. And you know, I did have him.
I got him stack with tae kwon, Thornton reminders Stephenson
and then I also stacked the Broncos and the Chargers and
they play the Patriots and the bills and week 16.
So I got an additional two week, 16 Stacks out of Doubling up the
week, 17 game at quarterback and so I think in that case like
it's totally fine. But overall, I would try to
avoid it. I think.
Yeah, one thing that I actually just thought of as you were
talking about it, I actually don't think my take on it
doesn't have to necessarily do with the quarterbacks
themselves, but how much you game stacked?
Those are stacked up those two teams, right?
Because if you over stack, those two teams and now you have eight
guys. From that one single game in
week 17. I do not think that is optimal.
I mean, you're going to need that game to score like 60
points for those guys for that to hit.
If you have eight guys from the same game because you did four
or five guys with each quarterback.
And so to me, it's more like, how skinny, how slim are your
Stacks can you hit enough of that parlay to reach the upper
echelon? Right.
Yeah and I think some so I ended up tacking on like fiance Hardy
to that. So I probably overstocked it to
what you're saying. I had Allen with three wide
receivers and Damien Harris and then I had Mac Jones with
reminder Stephenson and taekwon Thornton So yeah, not all those
guys are in my week, 17 lineup, but most of it is on the Alan
side. Yeah, yeah.
He's the guy that's the bills are going to the best offense in
football, for the exactly for the year.
It's not really a bad bet. It's the bills.
There's always that like the, the spots where you can stretch
the rules a little bit too. And like what you just described
as a way of, I think, being willing to stretch the rules a
little bit and I mean it's it's the tacit knowledge think that
You know, I've written about before.
It's like yeah. Usually don't do any be but
except when sees present or D and then maybe I'll be laughs
like it. So yeah.
Whenever you're like I also had Sutton Mims and Mike Williams,
creating a week 17, without the quarterback stack of the
Chargers and the Broncos. And I had, I mean, this one's a
little silly but I had pits Cole, commit and Tyler algier.
So I've got some like, if they, if there's points into other
games. I need Josh down to go nuclear,
right? I need him to go nuclear and
that's what I don't like about it.
I don't have two outs at quarterback everyone, which is a
little bit of a bummer, but to be honest, Once you get to like
around 14 or whatever, you probably only have one out of
quarterback. Anyway, you're just sort of
lying to yourself that you have a second if you take like, Jimmy
Garoppolo, you know what I mean? Like, he's not, he's not in your
we 17 Lenape do? Yeah, it this is again like I do
feel like there's this circular nature to best ball debates.
Not that, I don't enjoy them but it's like you're constantly
going around this thing of like oh that could actually be very
beneficial to you for weeks, 1 through 14 but not for Or this
specific playoff week, or this actually might be optimal close
to the optimal over. You know, an infinite amount of
drafts, but at night might not be actually what allowed you to
get first place and climb up a bunch of and surpass, a bunch of
optimal teams. And so it's like, you could
always make really smart arguments on either side, and
that's why I do love all the stuff.
Also that reminds me of a plug I just did on my channel around
table with Sam. Hopin been Dominguez from
fantasy data pros and about the best ball data bowl that I'm
Hosting ice with those guys and we there's all the details over
on that show. But we did a round table just
talking about some of the pitfalls of best, ball data,
being in a lot of ways, very descriptive and not necessarily
predictive also talking about sample sizes and kind of how to
think through those things. And also I tossed out a bunch of
ideas of like things that were discussing right now where it's
like we I would love to see data, you know, digging into
some of these problems and showing them to us in a way that
gets us closer to the answer. I'm excited to see ya.
All right, I'm going to power down the stuff here.
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And a lot of player takes a lot of stuff that you can apply to
best ball, but here we are, not not best ball structure, it's
just it's like, yeah, you know, maybe this is the right kind of
Back on the week 18 maybe this is a you know the right guy to
to see as a potential ATP Riser or whatever.
But yeah. Yeah.
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Monday at noon for 8000 casing. What's up, Gretch?
We never roasted that guy's brother.
You're always supposed to roast us brother?
Yeah. All right, fine.
Let me go, let me go back and I was I was And in the plane but I
know you were living so well, no, but you even touch the
wheel. We touch the wheels and we went
right back up in this Hall. Was ready for Paul says sauce,
the team. All right, this is gonna be a
walk-off sauce. He didn't ask for it but he's
getting 10. Sure.
You think you want chip chasing to review your team.
How much sauce would you like on your team?
Oh, I love this. You asked for this sauce.
He wants it extra Saucy, you think and spicy.
He wants 13. Oh boy.
You realize you can't handle the heat here.
It's guy. Can we have to review his tank?
Why did you take mohel and hot? What are you doing?
So fucking cute with his 0r b Heaven.
You will speak when you are spoken to fuck off.
Christofle team shit, chasing team readings, are getting spicy
this to he wanted her to Team 3D bow, Samuel at pick 27, what is
this fucking 2022? He's like what, what we what are
we doing over here, bud? Well, hang on.
Give him credit for drug for grabbing Kenneth Walker, in the
fourth round and shit chasing room.
You just got ya. Gotta do, you know who says,
there's no dead zone. FV in gnz just going to the eye
of the storm with Kenneth Walker at are?
Yeah, I mean it's up to you. Get, you get Erik Jones,
literally like the perfect tense.
Back. We all know what is upside is
but no one wants to take him high anymore.
Doesn't have as quarterback who loves to throw them around the,
the goal line. I mean like Aaron Jones complete
dead something. What the fuck does CJ Stroud do
for this team? Honestly to what Derek Carr?
Nice job, two, quarterbacks you're done.
CJ Stroud. What what, what are we doing
here with CJ Stroud? Well, you know when you take two
in the eighth round you just have to tackle and CJ, Stroud.
Do you know what God Said? Words is still in the NFL.
Do you know what's more egregious about the CJ, Stroud
thing? I thought he might have had a
Houston player. First, he set up a backdoor,
Nathaniel Del stack, no tonight. Them on tanked.
Is this why you saying he beat us because he's, like, idiots
passed on tank Del. Why does this guy think he
drafted better than us? This isn't a disaster.
Ha ha ha. It's what Revelation?
Tillman is tight ends. Oh he was good 2020.
Anyone also yeah, that right Barbra.
Nims at 147. Congratulations when everyone
watching this stream has him at pick 190 in their drafts.
Good job, bud. At least wait until August when
he's actually steamed. I mean, my God.
Yeah. Well, when your best pick and
the whole draft is, semaj perine, you've definitely done.
Well, this team is just screaming for Braxton Barrios on
it to. I can't take it to a skinny
stack, seriously without Braxton Barry.
Oh, sod it. I mean, this is pretty good for
an auto drive team. I I mean, yeah, Elijah more
five, picks ahead of ATP unstacked.
I guess he heard Davis had 40% and was like, that's my
influencer. Davis loves a lot more.
Anytime you can draft a five running back team with two in
the dead zone. I think he definitely have to do
it here. I have nothing to say about this
is one of the worst games I've ever seen.