Hi there. Good morning from Grand Island,
NY on the Upper Niagara. Cool weekend, but we're into the
80s today. Record stuff.
I'm Mike Schoe. We have a party boat to discuss.
What's better than a party boat? The market went down on Stefan
Diggs, so to speak. Although just seven months off
in ACL tear, he was on the field running routes yesterday.
There we go, there they are. Is he a value now 30?
Bit. So hang on.
Almost done, Rogers Fallers, who are the earliest drafted players
our heroes will never pick. And another round of Last Call.
We'll see if Pat's Patriots hype extends as far as Efton Chisholm
the Third. Sounds like a guy for a Davis
podcast with our heroes. Pat Kurain, Davis Maddock,
Fantasy football's most eligible bachelor, Jacob Sanderson.
This is ADP chasing Tuesday, June 3rd, 2025.
In Underdog Best Ball, ADP is set by two separate yet equally
important groups. Streamers that set the market
and the slappies that chase it. These are their stories.
Were any lies told? I I'm actually the reason that
FT in Chisholm is even in the player pool on underdog.
They released the player pool for the big board and one of the
guys in my discord checked it. Compared to the PFF big board,
Aftonchism was the only name missing.
So if you have drafted Aftonchism, you have the the
Davis Matic discord to to thank for that.
You to blame? You have made a.
Blame what? What a name?
I mean Aftonchism. Davis is the LAN larisons of
whom I mean what a name. This is like peak name here
Seasons. Afton Aftonchism is the LAN
larrison of Aaron Mallette's. I don't even know who Aaron
Mallette is. That's.
Before that, I think that works. That's that's before you.
What's it for, Pat? Is that a hockey player?
Let's ask Pat. No, no, Aaron.
Mallette was a was a patriot, right?
No, he was a Raven A. Raven.
He went to Elon. He went to Elon University,
which I believe is the same college that Mister Josh Norris
attended. Think they're gonna change their
name these days or? Davis is cooking right now.
We're. Up and running North Carolina,
Elon, Jacob. Hopefully no offense taken at
the eligible bachelor. No, I'm, I am, I am eligible so.
So if he knows someone. I don't have.
There's no Fender on me. You can.
You can no no. No, no, no, no.
If you guys know anybody. Yeah, I don't, I got to say I
don't think of the chat of ADP chasing is where.
I have fun. Like imagine if you met your
girl through the. Channel of.
ADP chasing. That would require there to be a
girl who listens to ADP chasing. Yeah, it's.
Like. I mean Nick and Steph.
I'd love to. I'd love to see the the.
Entirety of our female listening chase.
Right, You want a Venn diagram here.
Davis, what do you want on this? Well, no.
Is there any because you know, in YouTube analytics, you can go
down and you can get your breakdown of like where your
audience is from, how old are they?
What gender are do they report as on their YouTube stuff?
And I'd like to meet the first fantasy football content creator
who doesn't have 99.9% male. I'd like to 'cause I know mine
is 99.9. Percent.
I was about to ask how much time you're spending on the gender
tab 'cause I don't know there's that.
Much I know, I know the school cast is 99.9, I know the tape
cast is 99.9, I know end game syndicates 99.9.
I'm going to guess ship chasing 99.9.
So I'd like, like, do do you think the footballers are so big
that they're like 98.2%, you know that they have like 1%?
What do you think is the most woman friendly fantasy football
show? It's got to be the Ballers,
right? They're funny, they're super
popular. What about the women?
I mean fantasy and frames. I'm on with Stacey this week.
Maybe it's the women I don't know.
I know I know what WGR like all our ratings bonuses are tied to
men, but we've been number one for like 15 years in a row
almost every book and in the men.
But when we get adults, I get excited like for me, 'cause we
have some much higher than 1% listenership.
That's women. And when that goes up, I'm sort
of like, all right now. Now I'm, this is a good
evidence, good evidence for me that I'm doing the show I want
to be doing. Because, you know, yesterday we
talked about a nudist colony. And I'm sorry, this isn't about
football yet. So, you know, you, you try to
it's a it's a different. So Pat's in, Pat's in on.
This. But where was Stefan Diggs?
That's so it might it might be, you know, we gotta.
Yeah, Ron. Ron said his lifetime is 98.4%
so. That's pretty good, Ron.
Shout out, shout out. Yeah, honestly.
Let's go. Yeah.
I'm I'm.
Well wait sorry, is is that Ron's YouTube stats or is he
just saying that his life is 90% male?
That's important distinction that Ron Ron's existence is just
98.4% greasy New Jersey men outside of MetLife in real life.
That's deeply sad, but on YouTube?
And the other 1.6% is Mother Stewart.
You know Jacob is going to meet a woman that doesn't watch every
week. I haven't met a single one yet
in my entire. Life going to meet a woman who
isn't in the discord, right? Thank God, but is familiar with
his work is familiar with his work.
I think I've seen you. So I think it'll that's, that's
my prediction. If I, if I went on a date with a
woman and she was like, yeah, I actually subscribed to thinking
about thinking, I'm immediately buying a ring.
Yeah, that. Was the other way there that R
was really bad because my mic wasn't plugged in but now it is
so thanks for. That it sounds fine.
I thought that's in New York today, Jacob, doing good work by
our first slide. Apparently as Stefan Diggs
counsel on the if you're, if you're just, if you're just on
the the boat or you're actually trying to get his attention, you
can tell them what not to do in the next 5 seconds, Jacob.
Has a drink, I think it looks like being like that.
That's from a video that's not even from a photo.
So someone went to my Instagram, found a video, stopped the,
paused it and then like cut me out with the magic lassu this.
Amazing. That's that's that's Zach.
You know that's Zach. Yeah.
But that was that person. No.
One goes, no one puts in more work than Zach.
So good. Did you notice us in the
portholes here? The faces, yes, they're so good.
Yeah. What's happening here?
We are not allowed at the time. We're not allowed.
On deck. We're not.
We're in. Unfortunately, Ronald, now that
I've been retained, has counsel to Monsieur Digs.
I can't speculate at all what the pink substance is.
You know, I disappointed. It's a state's case to make and
and my client is is until proven.
Guilty. I'm in the porthole.
I can I'm I'm down below. I'm I'm talking to Davis and
and. It's my, my, my, YouTube chat
told me. It's like a new street drug.
Called. 2C2 CB. Which apparently has
methamphetamines in it. I oh, that's interesting.
I have a friend back in California who is what they call
California sober, which is very different than sober Iowa.
It's it's it's no alcohol, but a lot of house music that comes
along with other things. And yeah, I showed him the video
and he instantly said that's two CB, which is apparently not even
illegal because it's experiment. It's one of these things where
they're able to change the structure, you know, so it's
like they can't a lot because they change it too much or.
Something. It's beta.
Yeah, it's in beta, but yeah, apparently it's two to be.
It's like the effects apparently are mixed between cocaine and
Molly, kind of. No, not cocaine, between Molly
and LSD. I'm sorry.
So it's like a somewhat hallucinogenic and also like
euphoric. Is this my?
Experience in the Vancouver house scene is, is correct.
Anything that's popular in California now will make it up
here in like 3 to five years. So I'm sure the cool people are
are already doing it and and it'll make its way to to my
shores in in two to three years. Is this completely dead,
Irrelevant to the upcoming NFL season?
No, no. No, this this still matters.
Yeah, it's it's relevant because it does.
Like, I mean, famously on this show, I've said I'm pro diva
behavior for my wide receivers, right?
I want, I want, I want Xavier Liget to be showing up and
saying throw me the damn ball to to Bryce Young.
But what is interesting is we've already gotten now the rift
between Stephane Diggs and Patriots media.
So that can go, that can go a lot of directions, right?
I mean, I don't think he's going to get caught or suspended.
Like, I think that risk is really low, isn't it?
No, he's. Not yeah, that's.
What is what is the risk? Is the risk just that?
Like this is a signal that he took the biggest payday he could
and has no intention of taking football very seriously.
No, I think it's more that you would hope that he shows up and
is like super locked in and like running routes after practice
with Drake May like being a good veteran mentor.
And I think it shows. Like, I mean, he's just gonna
he's just gonna show up and want to get his numbers.
That that's that's I, I guess. Yeah, I think it, I think it
shows that there's risk that he and Brabel are not gonna mesh.
I mean this this boat thing was that during the first day of
OTAs or was around, he didn't show up at first.
So one week ago, yeah. Yeah, I.
Don't know I I think it's. I don't think Brabel was very
happy, no. He's on the field yesterday.
Man, not happy that it got caught on like this is always
what I assume Stefan Diggs is up to.
It's just that someone forgot to put their phone in a bowl.
So no, I I disagree, but we've lived.
Stefan Diggs. I think it's the opposite.
I think it's like the cameras are rolling and let's go.
This is for my ego. This is like all the different
cryptic ways he described his experience in Buffalo.
And he would never say like he like it never seemed genuine.
I think he's a con man. I think he's somebody that I
have the day off. I'm here, I'm at 20 plus
$1,000,000 a year. I'm going on this boat.
I mean, look at the boat, look at the scene.
Maybe you'd go too if you didn't have to go to work.
Everybody else is at work yesterday, seven months off an
ACL tear. He's on the field running routes
and that's that gives him he does enough of that gives him
the the you know, the credibility, I guess to say,
like, what do you mean I'm doing the work?
I'm not I'm not even supposed to be here yet.
I'm off. I'm not even supposed to be
healthy yet. And look at I mean, the clip is
the clips are pretty good. If you didn't have the boat, you
didn't care about the boat. You'd love what you saw
yesterday and if you got him in the seventh round you'd be
elated, I think. I'll say I've drafted Stephane
Diggs more times in the final in the last three days than I had
before that point because I moved him.
I actually think based on moving other guys down, Diggs is
relatively higher in my rankings actually because I, I moved some
other guys around. But mostly I think this is
likely a nothing burger. And I mean, you guys know me.
I, I just kind of just kind of a market based drafter, just kind
of trying to get it in good price wise where I can.
Like I got him in, I got him. I was doing it one this morning
got him in the eighth round, like 8th, 8th round digs.
Sure, why not? I guess I don't know, Mind you,
with digs, I'm kind of happy this happened because I, I would
like to have more. I'd like to have a wider ring on
my Drake May Jacquard tree. And I hadn't really been doing
any digs previously because not because he's a, a cokehead, but
because he is 32 and in decline and coming off an ACL tear.
We were drafting him in like the beginning of the seventh round
for some reason. So all of my May stacks are
basically with like Kyle Williams, Hunter Henry,
Trayvion, Henderson Trayvion. And I get started.
Yeah. So it would have been nice to or
will be nice to hopefully mix some digs into that.
I I think I'd need him in like, I want him to be in the same
range as like Michael Pittman and the rookies to be like
particularly excited about. Well, that that's not, that's
not going to happen. That's kind of where he was
going though in the big board. I I thought his rise up into the
7th was a little surprising like given, you know, he's coming off
an ACL tear and he's pretty old like, but he.
But he landed the. Recovery is going pretty well,
there's a ton of targets available.
He landed in a place where he can get 160 targets though,
which was why he was not. He was going later in the big
board because there was a chance that he went the way of Amari
Cooper and DeAndre Hopkins and and we got the clear answer that
the market viewed him differently than those guys.
The market view him differently or did the New England Patriots
view him differently? Well, we all like best offer.
For Stephane Diggs and free agency.
We all like May if we were we were all yeah, if if we were, if
we were not May boys like if we were like, oh man, you know, I
mean, whatever, he's fine. We'd be like, all right, we're
happy to not take him, but because.
We believe. In May, it's different.
I mean, let me read out my New England Patriots exposures.
Hunter Henry 26% break May 24%, Kyle Williams 22%, and then
Trayvon Anderson 18%. And then you scroll all the way
down Stefan Diggs 1%. So like, you don't need to
include Stefan Diggs in your Drake May bags if you don't want
to. Maybe he's also going around 100
after he signed with the Patriots.
It wasn't he didn't have this like big ride.
It took a while for the Patriots rise to occur, if I'm
remembering right. Yeah, I, I, I have two, two
things to add. One, I'm not sure we've seen
decline yet from Diggs. I don't, I think he might be 31
and isn't he sort of the body type and the player type where
you would push off that possibility more than if he was
bigger, You know, like it's the bigger guys who die quicker
maybe at receiver so. Well, we.
We. Have If you die, you die.
We we have seen him drop off because take.
Al Shanahan. His his best ever season was
basically his final year in Buffalo and his first year in
Buffalo. Those were the only two or he
had 2.49 yards per outrun in those two seasons, 1.89 his last
year in Buffalo, 1.84 last year. So we we've definitely seen digs
go from clearly one of the five or eight best wide receivers in
the NFL to like, you know what I would I would kind of comp him
to I would comp him right now. So like post black marble Larry
Fitzgerald, where Fitzgerald actually came back around.
Remember, Fitzgerald had his black marble season in 2012, but
then like reinvented himself and had 109 reception season in
2015. I, I would actually really
compare it to that where it's like you could tell me, you
could tell me anything from he gets out targeted by Kyle
Williams like easily or he has 100 receptions.
Like I I would actually believe either thing.
Davis is totally right. First of all, apologize in the
age he he turns 32 in season but not until late in the season.
So he he will be 31 for most of the season.
But if if you believe that week 17 is all that matters, he will
be 32 in week 17. Yes.
The the target earning has not gone away.
Like he still earned a ton of targets in 2023.
In Buffalo, less so against better target competition, but
was still a really good target earner last year in Houston.
But the downfield stuff is is pretty toast.
Like he he used to be a true three level receiver at his
peak. Yeah, that, that is over, I
think. And in in Minnesota and like,
you know, his 2022 bills to 2023 bills, the big difference was
like, even though his target per route was still the exact same,
his efficiency crash. And that was because he just was
not creating anything down the field.
And then we saw last year the Texans kind of, I think
correctly scouted him and used him in a very low A dot
possession chain moving role, which is I think the best way to
use it right now. To Davis's point, like that's
kind of how Larry Fitzgerald was recreated under Bruce Arians was
like, OK, we're going to use who was it?
It was, it was Michael Floyd and they had another guy, John
Smokey Brown. Smokey Brown and Michael Floyd
were kind of the outside wide receivers and and Larry
Fitzgerald was just a, a chain mover at that point.
I think that's what what Diggs is like.
He he might have 90 catches, but those 90 catches are probably
going for 962 yards at this. Point and and they're 65 in the
1st 10 weeks and 25 toward the end.
The second point I was going to make about those two Bills years
is that the production really tailed off late, including the
playoffs. And in 23, it's tied to the
change at offensive coordinator. The Bills were six and six.
They fired Ken Dorsey, brought in Joe Brady and just ran the
ball all the time. And that was it for Diggs.
They could have used him against Kansas City in the playoff game
in Buffalo. Davis when he dropped a bomb on
that first play of the last drive and really like Allen was
6 for 6:00 on that last drive of the season, as it turns out for
Buffalo. But over 3 passing to Dicks.
So 6 for nine overall, like late, late in the season in play
offs. He went away, which is part of
why they dumped him. And if that's all that matters
in these things, that's not great for, you know, his value.
It's tough, but Larry Fitzgerald never tore his ACL.
So it it reminds me a little bit of Odell Beckham where you had
him go to the Rams and had him in a different role.
He was much more of a possession receiver with the Rams, but was
effective and was someone that they, you know, it, you know, in
the Super Bowl, look like he was going to be a big part of what
they were doing. And then he tears this ACL right
in that game. And then he comes back for the
Ravens. And it's just not.
It's just over like, yeah, like, that's the risk, really.
And then if you've got a guy who's like, imagine Odell
Beckham on the Ravens, that style, that quality, plus the
coach is really pissed off at you because you're parking on a
boat when you're supposed to be preparing for the season, it
could get ugly. Like I do really think.
That's the other old dull comparison, yeah.
There's both. Like it's a beckon boat too,
Yeah. Oh baby, here.
That's the anti digs just wholesomely.
Playing with this child. I I got to get my son down here
now. Ravel would love you.
Ravel. Yeah, Ravel and I are going to
be boys. Well, Rabel knows what he Rabel
knows what he can't control. And voluntary is voluntary.
And you know, again, does yesterday matter for Diggs?
I, I, I think my main take away is like what I've seen in
Buffalo and then the injury, which is like, I think late in
the season, he's probably not going to matter.
But you know, there you have teams you build where you might
need the 1st 10 weeks and then he has, you know, he's useful.
I mean, how much how much Kyle Williams are you guys drafting?
Because I I've been taking like more than I thought I would,
partially because I constantly Kate Davis.
Says he's got a light throat. Somewhere in that 8.28.3 range.
I'm gonna fucking come to whatever, like podunk town you
live in in Missouri. You strangle you by the end of
the summer. I would say I would do it in
Vegas, but one, I'm pretty sure I'm at a wedding and two, I I
know that there's no chance of you being there.
Literally, literally, like literally less than 0.
Let's actually this is this is actually be a good bit.
Would you say there's an 8.3% chance of being?
Paid. No, no, That seems high.
All right. 173 completed drafts, 10.1% Kyle Williams.
So what? What is your What is the
percentage of your most drafted player in those drafts?
I think you just said it point. 23.3% on by shell tooten.
Oh nice, look at that. Slappy Slappy never changes its
stripes. Are you doing pre draft and
current combined? No, there, there's no well, I'd
have. To I'm at 22% probably.
You're just doing like, that's what I'm talking about.
Yeah, Davis. Yeah, I, I look forward to
having, I'm in 50 puppy slows that are in probably a median of
like round 12 right now. And I, I look forward to all of
those finishing because I feel like I've just been drafting the
same team 50 times. Me too.
Let let me tell you that is a slippery, slippery slope.
To be doing. The the slow drafts and feel
like you're just drafting the same team every time.
I I found myself doing in the slow because I was doing the
same thing of truly being like, dude, I just cannot take a 49er
on this team. You just, you just end up taking
like just literally, you just have to pretend the 49ers don't
exist because I was just taking a 49er like every time.
The Tootin victory laps, by the way, like in Week 12, like I'm
I'm going to be it'll be unbecoming if if by Shel Tootin.
I don't. I frankly, I don't think I
don't. Think I'm already I'm already so
furious. Like on your Twitter feed?
Life away on Twitter and like the YouTube comments are already
rolling here at 7:26 in the morning.
Like I, it's, I don't understand like how we go through this same
thing every single year. It is like there's an ambiguous
backfield. There is some veteran, there is
some upside option. Sometimes the veteran wins.
Usually I'll give like James Conner in 2021 is one that comes
to mind as a veteran who won, and then one in a way that
mattered a lot. You know what, though?
I think he was also an upside option.
He wasn't like, yeah, he, he he had previously been good.
Everyone was writing him off because he had fallen off.
But he's going against Chase Edmonds, who was not good.
Sure. I'm I'm saying you wanna make
the case for Travis ETN Like I think there's like something to
be said for the Connor. He's a Connor esque pick, yeah.
But like a lot of the times what happens is either it's like the
Bears in 2023, which is like no one really wins.
Like there's different winners at different times, but nothing
really happens. The Chargers last year, Dobbins
wins. But like ultimately, did it?
Did he matter in week 15 to 17? Like I don't really think he
did, no. But it's like, if you look at
the biggest winners, like it's like there's a lot of of, of
young, unproven players who typically don't look like
they're going to be winners in week one, get declared dead.
People declare them dead throughout the summer because of
dumb reports. And then like, sure enough, you
wake up and it's like week six, week 10, week 15, and you're
really, really pumped Have these guys in your lineup from HN to
Chase Brown to Rico Dowdell to Bucky Irving to whatever.
And and then then every year we do the same thing again, where
it's like the same people every year.
Like, no, can never have any fumbles.
The rookie, you know, people are citing to me, Will Shipley's hit
rates on Twitter. So yeah, I'm, I'm very, very
tilted. You know Jacob.
I'll compete to draft myself too.
It's a great point. It's a great point.
I think, you know, from a sort of media standpoint, it stems
from the coaches and the the symbiosis from the coaches to
certain beat guys that I think you're sort of lumping together.
Maybe they're older and that would say those things that
would sort of be old school about what matters and what
doesn't. The coach wants to slow the
rookie hype down as hard as he can like that.
That's almost always true. Think of quarterbacks like,
well, Cam Ward is splitting reps with whoever, like it's just
they always sort of slow play the rookie evolution.
And if you really adhere to that, that's where you end up.
And if you take your cues from those reporters, whoever you
mean, I think those that's basically like listening to the
coach. And that's not the coach's real
position. That's just his public position,
which he does for his own interests with his veteran
players, right? As I I'm sure, you know, like
it's we have to make sure the rookies earn their opportunity.
So see through that and you're where you are.
Which I think this is. That is so true, man, You are.
You literally show up. Could just like not be more
correct about that. That I like they're going to do
this. They're going to do this with
Genti. Like at some point the Raiders
coaching staff is going to say, well, you know, Remoster's been
in the league a long time. And we really like what sincere
McCormick did for the team last year.
And hey, don't forget about Samir White.
Rahim Moser's been in the league a long time.
It's such a funny thing to say. Can I I just land up and say
that I don't have 0% Rahim Moser?
Me neither. Yeah, I I drafted the league in
touchdowns 2 years ago. I think I've drafted them once.
Like, you drafted enough Brock Bowers and then you end up
drafting Geno Smith and you get to round 18 and you're like,
well, running back, do I add on? You're like, yeah, well.
Yeah, but the the the point is, though, is that we we just like,
know this is going to happen. Guess what?
The Patriots are going to do this with Trayvon Henderson.
The Browns are going to do this with Quinton Judkins.
Who what who else am I? RJ Harvey, Right.
I, I've been saying this, I've been saying this all offseason.
Like you asked Sean Payton, who he's starting running back is,
he's not just giving you a straight answer about RJ Harvey.
Like, we we don't we don't need to be like, yeah, dude.
Well, I mean obviously rookie running back X is dead because
he didn't get the first carry in June 3rd.
OTA Hampton. Oh, Hampton is the most obvious
one. Harbaugh is going to give a
Shakespeare S soliloquy. He's going to sound like like
freaking Hamlet talking about how good of an impact Naji
Harris is going to have on the team.
He he is going to make Naji Harris seem as if he is Eric
Dickerson the first time he gets asked about Naji Harris.
From Hamlet to Hampton. And then at the end of the
season, it will not. It will not be.
Yes, but I. Just.
Right. Yeah, when Brian Schottenheimer
gets asked about Javonte Williams's effort at Cowboys,
OTAs will will he, Will he faint before he gets done?
Crazy again? Right, there will be tears on
the road there. Will be tears, yes.
I guess. I guess in this scenario, you'd
want Naji to be Hamlet and you'd want Hampton to be Fortinbras,
right? Because you'd want him to
actually emerge at the end. Well, I mean, well, Hamlet, he
emerges in a way, right? He dies.
Right. But he, he lives.
He lives his truth though. Moving forward, Pat made an
honest effort to put the. Quinton.
Who's Quinton Johnson? Like ignore it.
Quinton. Quinton Johnson is Quinton
Johnson is Yorick. Yeah.
Alas, alas. We knew him well, but his time
has passed. His his death happened off stage
actually. Quit.
When? The drafted truth.
Kamani Vidal is definitely felonious.
Kamani Videl No, Kamani Videl is is even further than that.
Kamani Videl is Hamlet's dad. He, he dies, he dies, he dies 10
years before what we're doing. Like the the characters have all
been set in a in a completely different time period, right?
Sorry teach, but I didn't know we were studying this today.
I didn't know this was going to be on the test.
SF Doom just said. I wonder why Jacob is single.
Can I? Shakespeare in the Park or the
ADP chasing Discord? Who can?
Who can say? Minor in an English major on the
show and and we're going to derail it and my.
That made an honest effort to move us ahead with the Trey.
Harris. Move to the risers to slide
well. I want actually wanted to.
I wanted to get us back to to one thing real quick because
there were some comments about the ambiguous backfield stuff.
He just said people are missing the point.
It's anywhere from 1033%. But when it happens, it's a huge
win. I think it's more than 10 to 33%
is part of the thing as well. But but I agree with the
sentiment, Brett saying Josh Jacobs has never been efficient.
He's playing the Hall of Fame game.
You know, it's kind of our our bias against veterans.
That's that's one where I want to just note that like that's a
different bias that we have. Like where Jacobs wasn't really,
we're competing with anyone. We just like weren't really
draft. We were just like, he's too
gross to draft. This is that's what we did with
Camaro last year, too. That's a different thing.
I think when there's actually like, you know, when we talk
about how to parse this rookie stuff, this is a new regime
they've gotten rid of like a bunch of the old guys for kind
of no reason, like Christian Kirk and Evan Ingram.
I'm kind of still unclear why they moved on so readily from
those guys. But they're like, get out of
here, get out of here. And then they bring in a running
back. Yeah, Davis, although that's
pretty. Clear.
Physical, but yeah. Yeah.
Anyway, then they then that one made sense and they and they
bring in they bring in Tootin, who, you know, in this running
back class. I feel like an early fourth
round pick is, you know, maybe more of a third in spirit.
And then they you know, they've got they've got Etns coming off
a really bad year and they're they've talked him up as this
explosive element. It's not to say it's definitely
going to happen, but this is like, sometimes it feels like
we're grasping, grasping at straws to figure out how these
veteran running backs aren't going to work out.
This is very different. This is like, this is an upside
profile that we were excited about before the draft that
lands in a situation where he could easily emerge.
It's much, much more similar to like a Bucky Irving last year,
maybe even a better situation. The year previous to the Josh
Jacobs Hall of Fame Game year, he was on a team that made the
playoffs and Jacobs had like 90% of the snaps in the wild card
game and had like 25 touches. Like he he was the clear lead
back. They drafted Zamir White, who no
one really liked different coach team, but like Jacobs had never
been anything but the clear starter for the Raiders prior.
And then we kind of like kind of invented a running back
controversy out of whole cloth, right?
Travis Etienne was in a full on committee last year with Tank
Bigsby. So like, had they never drafted
by Shel Tootin or anyone, it would still be an ambiguous
backfield. It would be like what is going
to be the breakdown between Etienne and and Bigsby?
So the Etienne is kind of already lost whatever role he
had two years ago. It maybe it gets restored under
a new coaching staff. It's it's possible, but it's not
like he's this entrenched 80% snap rate guy anymore.
Like this would be very different if this was like last
year and they had drafted Tooten and he had to overtake someone.
There's kind of nothing to overtake.
It's already a split backfield with a new staff and they're
just going to determine what it's going to be in season.
Shout out to Rich Basaccia, who probably will go to his grave as
a 58% winner as a head coach in the NFL from that first half
Raiders team you're talking about.
Risers ready? Let's do it.
Very ready. Rushy Rice.
Rushy Rice because I've been drafting a lot lately.
I can I can take responsibility for.
That one I, I think that I think we have Rushy Rice as the clear
leader in the clubhouse for most, like maybe not the most
slappy pick, but the player that the Slappies are most in
agreement on there. There's no slappy who will come
to the stage and be like, you know who I don't love this year?
Rushy Rice. He he, he is.
He is the slap the slap poster boy.
If he was going right after Loud Mcconkey I would still take.
That's where he should go. I think he should.
Go like in the middle of the second round 21.
Yeah, well, he's up. He's up against.
He's up against whom? I mean, it's JSN Mclaurin
Jacobs. I think he's a much better like
I have him. I'm trying to allow the market
some impact on my rankings. So I only have them ranked like
2425 or whatever. I I would boot that if I needed
to, But I think like he should be ahead of Garrett Wilson.
I think he should be ahead of T Higgins and I think he should be
in the mix with like maybe doesn't need to be ahead of
them, but like he should be going with like Jonathan Taylor
and Bucky Irving right behind the lad A.J.
Brown mini tier. Personally, like all we're
getting from the medical community.
I don't, I don't know anything about medical.
So like don't ask me my opinion on the LCL, but everything that
I've seen from the people who do study this is like this is not
an ACL. It's different.
There's a different timeline. It has different expectations
when you return. And everything we've heard from
the team is he's full go already.
It's June. So I don't really have a reason
to think he's not going to be a full go in week 1.
He's not going to get suspended apparently.
So it's kind of like, all right, we have this guy who had this
awesome rookie season, came out, got drastically better in a very
small sample last season was like pacing to compete for wide
receiver one overall. And then, yeah, like, Worthy was
good, but he wasn't back up. And the biggest threat to
Kelsey's role to me was Kelsey, because that's the guy who
exists in the same areas of the field, the intermediate over the
middle. And he fell off in a big way
last year. So I think there's plenty of
room for him and Worthy to coexist.
And I think Rice is like, he's going to be a target dominant
player. You should be going in the
second round. I think he's a massive value.
Hamlet, sure, but don't ask Jacob to define a sprained
ankle. So does Rice.
Does his his position here affect how we start drafts?
I mean, we're talking about that Lamb, Gibbs or Bijan or
Jefferson decision. Pat, you've said I've been
thinking of you, hearing you when drafting like you just want
that wide receiver in round one. Does Rice matter in how you
calculate that? No, right?
Is Pat stuck or is the? Question just that might be
stuck. I think Pat.
Might be stuck, might be.
Stuck. Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, what Davis, you can you go and Rice is Denver,
which is a different kind of stack too.
But you pick him. I love I love getting him at
like 26. So my internet's being a real
problem right now. So if you're trying to throw
something to me, I just didn't hear it all what you're saying.
Just no. Just wondering if if Rice's
value, if you want him at 21 and you can get him at 28, does he
affect how you start drafts? Are you, are you sooner to draft
like Gibbs at 5:00 if you're going to try to take advantage
of Rice, if you're getting like the the one O 4 or one O 5?
And I think he makes drafting Gibbs a little easier.
I'm not sure I would specifically go to a running
back before like 3 receiver starts are pretty, pretty nice.
But I do like McBride a lot. So and I do you know, the the
first arm running backs do have a ton of upside.
So he's not he's it's just nice to have him there, I guess is
the answer. But yeah, I'm I'm pretty
aggressively trying to target Rice right now in, in any,
anywhere in the third I can get him.
He's been a big target for me too.
Like I read. Actually I didn't.
I didn't read Pat's article, but I listened to Pat's article.
I'd like a ruling on how to say that.
By the way, all these books I'm reading that I'm actually
listening to, I mean, what you guys tell me you're younger.
What I read, I read. I read Pat's audio book on on
his draft plan. I'm a believer that that
information can be conveyed in in multiple different ways and
and all are valid. So audio books are books.
Yeah, I mean they. Aren't really, but we can't tell
ourselves that. And I've been.
Doing this, like I said, I I honestly think I pay more
attention when I'm listening. For sure.
Me too. Me too, definitely.
And I've been doing all these Poppy slows.
And so it's like you get, I mean, I've been feeling this
anyway, just doing the drafts and looking at my ranks.
But you really, really feel it when you're doing like 50 plus
slow drafts simultaneously and you're getting all the picks in
the same ranges over and over and over again.
And like, you know, historically I'm not exactly a running back
slappy, but I constantly find myself like if I'm trying to
draft off of my rankings. So I think are the best picks in
a vacuum, which is kind of what I tried to do with these puppies
is like not think structure first try to just think players
1st and then find out how I feel later in the draft based on what
players I like earlier. Like it's almost like I'm using
them as a Guinea pig. You kind of tell me what I'm
what I'm not liking when I draft off of vibes.
And what I'm not liking is like how many of my teams, you know,
Jaden Reed is my wide receiver 3 or Ricky Pierce Halls, my watch
3. Cuz I, I really want to click
Bowers. I really want to click Kittle.
And then yeah, like that range of round basically from Breece
Hall through to like round seven.
I just, I almost always prefer the running back, like the only
wide receivers. I really like it cost in that
range. I love Olave.
It cost, I love pickings. It cost.
There's some other ones that I like.
OK but for the most part it's like I want to click breeze
every time it's 3-4 turn. I don't actually click a ton of
them but I I like Hampton it cost.
I love that run of Harvey and Walker, and I kind of like Chuba
too. I think Henderson's a massive
target and I'm even pretty into Judkins at cost even though I
didn't really like him from a dynasty perspective.
But I like him a lot in the 7th. Then it's Pollard and Swift.
Yeah, that's when I get a little bit off the train.
But I I do think those guys are good picks and it's more just
those are guys I'm willing to sacrifice to get back on track
or receiver. But to bring it back to Rice,
like, yeah, that's why like, if need be, I kind of would be
willing to click him over Taylor and Bucky.
I like Taylor and Bucky more in a vacuum.
But if I needed to click Rice, like the two V twos, I think
that the running back, all of the running back Bros are like
pretty unequivocally right that they project better than the
wide receivers at virtually every pick in the first half of
drafts. But just naturally, like if wide
receivers are being drafted at a way higher clip than running
backs, and if you just think about it as like these two
diagonal lines on the graph, the delta is just going to get wider
and wider and wider until you run out of starting running
backs. So you may as well click the
wide receivers earlier when the delta is much smaller and then
give yourself an opportunity to draft the running backs a little
bit later. I think the, the thing that I'm
not as into this year and haven't done as much as like the
pure 0 RB drafts. I mean, I think you can, but I
just haven't really found myself wanting to click that many wide
receivers in a row very often. But I, I definitely think it's,
yeah, taking, taking the wide receivers in the first couple of
picks to give yourself the freedom to just click a lot of
those running backs is, is generally made me happier.
Well, I think you're also, when you think about what pure 0
running back looks like, what do the, the wide receiver, you know
that you get in the, in like the late 4th or the early 5th look
like? Because one of the things that's
happening in addition to the wide receivers going up in
general is that we're like pricing the, the archetypes
differently. So when you get to the 5th
rounds, maybe on DraftKings you're looking at Ted McMillan,
but on Underdog you're not. And that's the type of guy that
actually could make a difference to a three wide receiver start
because you get to the end of the season and now he's actually
better than the guy you drafted ahead of him.
And you know, you you got that upside profile that you're
tacking on. Hunter, you could you could make
the same case for. But like generally when you're
talking about like a fifth round receiver, it's more of a steady
Eddie Calvin Ridley kind of kind of type.
So it's like less if you're just doing that, why aren't you
taking the running back? If you're just taking, hey, this
guy projects pretty well, then take the running back.
You don't have any of those, you know, so it makes it harder.
It's the type of profiles available as well.
Because when you think, OK, I want to add more upside to this
3X wide receiver start, well, like why don't you wait for, you
know, Luther Burden or a Mecca Buca?
You know, those guys are going way past the running backs
general. I mean, not all of them, but I
mean, frankly on DraftKings they are golden.
Golden. Yeah, exactly.
Like those guys are going kind of more in line with the Swifts
and the Pollards. So if you take care of running
back in round, you know, 4-5, whatever, then you you can you
actually buy yourself that extra little upside shot with a, with
a Jaden Reed or rookie. You know, there's some, there's
some interesting profiles once you get back into like the 70s,
eighties. They're they're really
interesting. And Miles and then if you need
like just volume like Garmin, Mooney, like Josh Downs and
Mooney and Downs are not that different in half PPR scoring.
No, those, those guys, those guys are the they're.
Not those guys are worse, but they're not that different.
I think they're pretty careful. I think it's.
Pretty clear.
Just like Mooney Burden, I'm not saying any of them specific.
Well, they're different bets, but they're but like the burden,
Ibuka. I don't feel Burden's a pretty
terrible pick where he's going. Burden has a lot of upside.
Yeah, OK, none of them are terrible picks in a vacuum, in
my slappy brain. But like, if we get to the end
of the year and Darnold, Mooney has 613 yards and two
touchdowns, Luther Burden missed four games of a hamstring
injury, the Bears play a ton of 12, and MCK Buka is like
chopping and changing routes like it's Week 7.
He's running 52% of the routes. Like none of these things are
all that surprising. Meanwhile, you've got Aaron.
Jones. Arnold.
Mooney had last year. Like 1003, with 400 of them
coming against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Yeah, you're 11 off. That's pretty, pretty darn kid.
Anyway, Davis like the running backs.
So I think there's a huge tear break after Nico and BTJ go to
London, even to A.J. Brown, even to LAD.
So I think there's I think there's like it's, it's like a
cavern, a Cliff if you will. Then I think there's another
huge tear break after Adams and Worthy at and and Mike Evans at
wide receiver 2021 and there's a gigantic tear break there to the
next range. Then you've got from like
Jameson Williams to Ricky Pearsall, you have a bunch of
dudes, you have a bunch of dudes who are going to project for
like a 9.8 half PPR points per game.
So I think weirdly this is kind of a year for the what would,
what would, what would Hayden, what would Hayden call it?
Like kind of like later modified bimodal RB where you start.
John Paulson is just yeah, punching the wall.
It sounds Shakespeare. Modified like bimodal 0 RB
that's that's. Straight from.
That's straight from A Midsummer Night's Dream, I believe.
Where you're taking, you're taking a lot.
You're taking a lot of them Marion Hampton.
You're taking a lot of Harvey, a lot of mixing, a lot of Hubbard,
a lot of Trayvon Henderson. Hyper Dead zone Hyper.
Dead zone is kind. Of you know what, this is what
I'm saying. What I'm saying is that the dead
zone is actually the live zone. What I'm saying is that because
Slappies are so reticent now to value projected points at
running back like Joe Mixon after the season he did last
year in Bestball Mania Two, he would have been a second run
pick. Chuba Hubbard would have been a
third round pick. James Conner.
James Conner in 2015 might have been a 12 turn pick.
You know what it's like, it's like dynasty.
You know how a dynasty like these veterans, they have to,
they have to have great seasons just to hold value.
We've turned the basketball market into that where James
Conner just delivered like an incredible season for his value.
And we're like, great, do it again.
Yeah. James Cook In this context, what
does James Cook have to do? 18 touch runs.
Do it again. Do it again.
Well. James.
Good.
I think we don't believe you. Liam.
Liam isn't here so I can at least say this, but like James
Cook is clearly the worst profile of any running back
going. In the yeah, I, I.
I have, I'm gonna get super launched.
Actually, I have a 0% James Cook now.
I have a 0% of half the players in the field.
But James Cook is is in that group, yeah.
I hope we get to that. I hope we get to that.
Let's let me just read the read the names on the on the risers.
Before time expires, we cover them.
And it's 46 minutes in, so I think we're doing well.
Rashi Rice, Xavier McGee, Diane Brown, Ray Davis.
That's probably a, you know, a reaction to Cook maybe holding
out. We'll see next week.
Next week is the mandatory not expected to be here.
I think for that, I'll explain if you want me to.
Jerkwiz Hunter, Michael Pittman, Isaiah Pacheco, JK Dobbins and
Patriots receiver Kyle Williams at the bottom.
I just think the the cook thing, yeah.
Just real quick on Kyle Williams got to get the hype out there.
I don't know what we talked about on the show.
Apparently he made his presence felt This was this was from like
a oh, I've been feeling this difference during the first
practice of OTAs and he was especially involved running
routes outside the numbers. I would just like to note that
that he's already exceeded Roman Williams hype pieces from Roman
Wilson's hype pieces from from from last year.
Well, he has the the the great advantage of not being Stefan
Diggs, not being on that boat. I mean, that's good.
That's a big leg up with the reporter.
He's also literally the only wide receiver that I'm
interested in clicking from. Like basically when Luther
Burden goes off the board until I'm legally allowed to draft Pat
Bryant. Yeah.
Pat Bryant, huh? We're still doing that.
Like yes, oh, I'm he's very pick.
I love what like I love that everyone I don't have one.
I I draft all the rookies, but I love that like you have Pat
Bryant and Pete has Jack Bash and there's just like 1 rookie
for each of you that you're like, Nope, not not doing this
like over my. I mean, hold on, let's check the
let's check the Pat Bryant. Guess my Pat Bryant exposure 7
point. 8.3%. Or 4. 66.9.
Oh wow, what a fade. I win you guys went over, I win
anyone. Want to know my my PAT price
exposure? 2720 No, no, it's high.
It's it's got to be like 32. Davis want to guess. 26.7.
Go win. Winner goes to Pat 34.
Damn. What's your highest?
What's your highest number for any player?
Bum Davis out -4047%. You, you beat me.
My highest training player currently is Breece Hall 38%.
Man, that's good. When it's early like that, I'm
at 47% Marshawn Lloyd. I can't even really defend.
Oh, Mike. That that hurts.
That's like that's. They he got the report of Lloyd
being on the rehab field and he was like, I'm going to have to
go to Canada. I got to get out of here, man.
There. Will.
Be well, I wasn't. I am in Canada all the time, so
you got that part right. Does Pitman Jacob?
Does Pitman make sense as a riser?
Yes, yes, it does. I I, I look, never been in a
Michael Pitman in my entire life.
Not a Michael Pitman fan generally, but yeah, I don't get
what's going on with the Colts wide receiver pricing.
I mean, I understand it. Like there's the fear of a rich
Pat said it best on one of the shows.
Maybe it was this one or different one I listen to, but
like, realistically, either Anthony Richardson is going to
play at a better level than he's played to this point in his NFL
career or he is going to not play.
Those are the only two options for the quarterback situation.
And if Jones plays, which I think he's going to, maybe not
Week 1, but I think Week 1, he's going to be fine enough at
completing the ball in the short and intermediate areas of the
field. And you're getting two guys and
Downs and Pittman who have shown over sustained samples that they
can be 25% plus targets per outrun guys.
And they're going in a range with backup slash timeshare
running backs, you know, rookie wide receivers who who are
probably third in line on their teams in Week 1.
And like I said, like if you're looking at the two V twos to
draft to Calvin Ridley or Cortland Sutton, you're
bypassing very high end ceiling rookie running backs in like
Harvey, Hampton, Henderson, or like kind of second tier
workhorses like a Chuba, Ken Walker, Joe Mixon, the to draft
Downs and Pittman. You're bypassing a running back
like Jordan Mason, Jalen Warren, Cam Scataboo or veterans that
are like very red flaggy, Isaiah Pacheco, DeAndre Swift,
etcetera. So like to me that 2V2 is just
pretty obvious that you want to tack on.
Especially in best ball. Especially in best ball with the
downside of that, that running back group could really bite you
later. Brian Robinson in that I think.
That they're just massive values.
Like to me, like anytime you're running low on wide receivers,
it's it's like if I start wide receiver heavy and I have a lot
of upsets, it's like, all right, I'll chase the dragon, I'll take
like an Abuka or something. But if I'm, if I need some
stability at wide receiver, Michael Pittman is like a
fucking lighthouse in the the 8th, 9th round where I can just
go grab a guy who I know is going to run every route he's
going to earn a target on 24% of them.
Like absolutely slide right in there.
Well, you talked about his back. Just isn't broken.
So he had a fracture in his back that didn't require surgery and
he played through it. But that I think that I think is
just kind of a discount that we get.
That's like a last year was icky discount mostly, I think.
Yeah, it did. It's all he had back surgery.
He was. OK, though at the end of the
year too, like, like he, he was really bad in the middle of the
year and then he kind of felt like he was getting a little bit
better. And I don't know, I don't think
there's any reason to be concerned about him this year.
I also, you know, Pittman was the guy I picked on ship chasing
as my riser and so thank you for for helping him rise to
everybody. But I like I have never been in
on Pittman and so I'm pretty sure there's no bias working
here for me. I'm just like this guy seems
really underpriced and I I don't like it, you know, but I'm, but
I'm willing to take him for sure.
I mean, in some ways I'm dependent on him.
You know, when you take these, these running backs in those
middle rounds. I just wanted to know there with
those those builds where we have a bunch of running backs see,
you know, in round 4567, that kind of range.
The beautiful thing about this year is that if you were to
build like this, even in like last year, you're coming out of
it with a lot of veterans this year, you coming out of it with
some veterans, but you can also come out of with RJ Harvey and
Trayvon Henderson and Quinch on Judkins and Caleb Johnson.
I mean, and you do have like a bounce back candidate to kind of
kick off the range and in Breece Hall, it's not like he's very
old. So, and you know, James Cook,
I'm not really that in on it, but, but he, he would count, you
know, as a younger guy as well. Chuba's not really that old, but
you know, kind of counts as a veteran.
But it's not just a bunch of dust balls that we're, that
we're like, oh, as long as the status quo holds, we'll be OK.
There's a, a mix of profiles in there and you can put a mix of
guys together in one room by targeting that range.
So it it just makes it like a very different draft landscape
than we've been used to. Yeah.
I mean, just imagine he just doesn't play with a broken back.
It's really sounds good. Although I think the difference
between Daniel Jones and Anthony Richardson in terms of like a
functional offense, I think that is a smidgen overstated.
And Daniel Jones's best season, the year that they made the play
offs, frankly the year that just set that franchise back quite a
bit. The best, the best, the best
receiving season, the best receiving season on that team
was Richie James. 57 receptions, 569 yards, 4 touches.
OK, but the best the receiver on that team was Richie James, so.
Well, it depends. Depends on your.
It depends on your perspective maybe.
Was Ingram on that team or was he gone?
Believe believe Ingram was either.
He was gone. Or he was definitely.
Gone because I I think he ever played for day ball.
And I remember starting Lawrence Cager on the Thanksgiving slate.
God, do you guys remember how much time we put into to trying
to figure out who the Giants receivers were?
Isaiah Hodgins and. Hodgins and slay it, Shepherd
one. Nail I want all that time.
Sterling Shepherd. Man, I thought.
Oh yeah, Shep. I was a big Richie James guy.
I'm gonna be real with you guys. That's good.
I remember you put it on the
Internet like we. Were Remember, Remember, Richie
James was the chief, yes. Oh yeah, I do.
He was like. Wyatt.
Like you and Reeves and all, I think Reeves, I, I'm sorry,
Reeves, if you weren't on them, but I, I remember like all these
people that I really respect being like Richie James, man,
you got to get him. But I was like, why?
Why do I need to get him? Because he had that one.
He had that 140 burger against the Packers on Thursday night.
Yeah, when like every 49ers wide receiver was out.
Just by the way between us since you mentioned him as I continue
my effort or my. Live on YouTube.
For as I continue my efforts to make my WGR show, it's been on
the air for 22 years in Buffalo. More like this today rebar
tomorrow Ian Hurditz just saying 4:00 today and tomorrow.
I'm I'm I'm getting away with it.
Is there is there any die any Browns on my last call team?
So just quickly why? People are not drafting Jalen
Royals and Isaac Tesla and stuff like that, and they're just
taking the guy they know is on the field.
Yeah, I mean, he got a bull. He got a bull signal.
There was a beat report talking about how like, they need Diami
Brown on the field because he's going to take the top off and
allow Brian Thomas to work at all levels, which is kind of
bullish for both of them. It's really bullish for Thomas.
But it also I think shows, OK, if they're viewing Diami Brown
as a fixture of the offense, it's going to be him and three
wide receiver sets. It's not going to be Parker
Washington, which we probably already knew.
I've been taking Diami plus like sometimes, you know, in the rare
draft that I don't draft Travis Hunter, I still want Trevor
Lawrence on my team because ADP makes no fucking sense to me at
all. And then I can just backstack
him with Bretton Strange and Diani Brown if I don't have
another quarterback option set up.
So. And your Colts?
Works pretty nicely. Yeah, so I'm having a lot of
Diani. I'm having such a tough time
stacking this year. It just the last three years, it
seems so easy. It just all falls in.
Why do I have Marshawn Lloyd like that?
I'm trying to get Ravens, you know?
And I don't know, it's something about some sort of cognitive
dissonance happening for me with with stacking this year where I
feel like if I'm going to get what I want, I have to jump
around, at least in ADP. And you know, it's probably in a
$3 Schnauzer draft. Worth doing Faller 1?
Said this in the chat and by the way I really agree.
Like Diami Brown is kind of the perfect around 18th pick in June
where it's like in August you're going to want to probably attack
running backs in that range that have a low draft rate in the
contest that we didn't know over the RV 2 before.
But now we we are more sure of it.
You know, a lot of those running backs are very sketchy at the
end right now where we don't know enough information.
But we do know Diami Brown is going to be on the field.
We know he's going to have a best ball favorable role.
Like that's the kind of guy you take now and then you're happy
that you have, you know, 9% today becomes 4% when the
contest opens. But you've you've allocated
those picks in a in a way that makes sense.
All right, I agree. And I mean, do you, I mean,
Brown also John Shipley had a report where he was, you know,
saying some positive things about Hunter, but also was like,
Brown looks really good out there.
You know, it's against air and you know, maybe, maybe it
doesn't mean anything. But with Gabe Davis gone, even
with Hunter, they're like, you know, it's it's very likely that
Brown's going to play a bunch. So nice to see because, I mean,
I guess it would really be. It's like they got to figure out
who they want to prioritize between him and Parker.
Washington sounds like he has the early lead there.
Yeah. Also like luck man I I drafted
Yanni Brown in a lot of 2O sixes ahead of Almond, Ross St.
Brown and Nico Collins back in the day.
So like we got to get. This is how we get even.
Yeah, exactly. All right, to the Faller, Stefan
Diggs is the headliner. We've been over that.
Jonnu Smith. I want to talk about Dylan
Sampson, Devin Neil, Tyreke Hill.
Jacob's take on Tyreke is getting traction.
Jalen Knoll, Luther Burden off an injury report, Alec IO Manor
and Jalen Royals, 2 rookies very near each other in drafts,
falling a smidge. So today Adam Schefter jumped
back in on the into the Jonnu Smith waters.
Last week it was they're talking trade with Pittsburgh.
Very kind of oddly specific, I thought out of nowhere.
And then today it was the exact wording was something to the
effect of he will not be traded to Pittsburgh.
So we're we're sort of maybe back on safe ground when it
comes to Jonno Smith. And he read on what happened
there or what will happen or what's happening to his value.
That was weird. That was just, that was just a
weird, it was just a weird report to have come out.
I, I really, the way it functioned for me was I was
looking to be light on Jonnu anyways.
He seemed like the most obvious Gary Barnage of the season to
me. And I, I kind of just needed one
thing to happen and I, I got it right.
Just like a slight bit of miscontentment from Jonnu or
from the team or from the agent or, or whatever.
So. Yeah, like I'm I'm, I'm done.
I'm out. So that took your that took your
8.3 down to a 7.4. This is actually a good
question, John. Let's see if I do have.
I literally, literally have 8.2% of Jonu.
Exactly. Exactly 8.2%.
Of Jonu. So that's a big, that's a big
negative stand for you. That's a full .1% multiple. #
Davis Davis are you comfortable with that?
Are you comfortable with the whole season playing out and
you're below 8.3? Yeah, so The thing is is like
old old beat 2024 me like literally 0 like a horrible
profile. All of his production came on
bullshit that was a result of a broken offense.
Like he like he is just straight up a bad pick.
So 8.2% for me. I've got them one.
Straight up bad pick and you're dead even Yeah.
No, that's not dead, even below dead evens.
This one like. Like, OK, really exposure you
have to like, it's gonna like show like there's gonna be like
an exposure chart. It's gonna show like my exposure
is next to Davis's and the graph will look the exact same.
But if you zoom in and you just see what's on the X axis, it's
like the median in in both charts will be 8.3.
But instead of the the wings being like 0 and 25 for David,
this is the wings are just like 7.9 and 8.5.
It's like this is extremely zoomed in.
This is like parabola. These look like Dodge, but
they're actually ranges. Like imagine telling 2024 Davis
that Travis Kelsey goes after Jonnu Smith and you have roughly
equivalent amounts. I have 13.2% of Travis Kelsey
coming off of 98 reception season.
I mean Travis Kelsey after pick 100.
Like, let's just be real. How much he is gonna, he is
gonna Jason Witten his way. Yeah, it does some Jason
Whitney. He's gonna be the tight end for
this year, just like so self evidently, and probably you
probably won't win. You probably won't win anything
from it because the spikes are not gonna be that high.
But I mean, he's just like, obviously, obviously a better
pick than John who? I haven't taken much of, I just
haven't taken much of tight end in that range.
Like I draft, you know, I'm at like 25% Bowers and like 34%
Kittle. So that obviously has a major
impact on how I'm drafting the tight end position.
And then I really love the range from like Ferguson to Goddard
and I love Moo craft and Henry gentleman craft.
So it's like to me like everything from kind of that
range down, I like more. So generally speaking I'm doing
more 2 tight end with one of Kittle or Bowers and then one of
the late guys. Kincaid as well, dare I say it.
Yeah, he, yeah. But this knee stuff is is.
Not on, not on my teams, but he does go there.
And then, you know, even if I'm waiting on tight end, it's like
I don't actually feel that much of A need to start my three
tight end builds in that range. Like sure, if one falls, but for
the most part, like if I've bypassed Kittle and Bowers, it's
like I'll just take like Henry and Ferguson and like Terence
Ferguson or Elijah Arroyo with my last pick.
Something like that. Like I'm OK with the late late
3. Mason Taylor, may I say, may I
say I've been wanting to get this in this community is so
damn out on Dalton Kincaid. Is it Liam's fault?
Is it obvious to everyone else that he can't?
It's, it's Liam. No, it's Liam's.
Fault is it? It's not possible that a first
round pick from two years ago on a Josh Allen team that has no
other obvious number one guy coming off an injury, that 54%
whatever success rate on passes spikes because they're just sort
of get to know each other better and he's healthy.
It's so it's so clear to everybody I listen to that.
That is just not in the range of outcomes.
Listen, I, I actually kind of want to be in on Dalton Kincaid,
but I don't why is so the last night I saw Jeff Mueller had a
tweet about this weird sprain he had in his knee.
And then there was a, an article that I just saw the other day
that said he's dealing with a posterior lateral ligament PCL
sprain in his left knee and a rare memorial lava Lee lesion in
his right knee. He's expected to go under,
undergo rehabilitation to prevent chronic issues and aim
for a complete recovery. This is something he dealt with
late last season. So like the whole he's healthy
thing is the part that I'm worried about, like is he
healthy? He, he was shown with like a
knee, like a knee brace or thing something on his knee.
I'm just like he was. I would like more information
about. His knees, I think he's there
with the knee. I just think there's no evidence
that he's that talented of a player and I'm there's also no
reason to project that he's going to play full time and he's
going ahead of guys that are both more talented and going to
play full time. So I just don't like.
Like this is how I feel here. He's a lava lamp at his.
Knee this is this is my current vibes.
He's a lava lamp at his knee. OK, I'm going to need to know
more. About that, I'll say one more
thing. I mean, that's fair.
If it's injuries, that's fair. But injuries were are not really
my point. If he's got, if he's down bad
with his knees, then that's maybe the ball game.
But it was already decided that he was bad before any of that.
Well, he was a bad, he was a bad prospect.
Show is the other thing. So he was a bad prospect.
He was an OK, he was an overrated prospect.
He had one game against USC and or else he would not have.
Been so so it's. More.
Here's all the evidence. Bad in the NFL.
Injured, overrated prospect hasn't been able to beat out
Dawson Knox for snaps. And then over here you have he
was a first round pick. Was never going, he was never in
the same, you know, grouping as Dawson Knox.
He was never he's a receiver. He's not he's not a tight end.
He. Was he was drafted at the wrong
time? Like if he'd come.
By the right team. If if Dalton Kincaid was coming
out this year in the in the way that current NFL used the tight
end position, he would have been a third round pick like Harold
Fannon. But he came.
In like 20 he'd be like 26, so everyone would have loved him.
He probably would have been like the first overall pick.
You know. Saints.
Saints would have. Part of up the title bill if.
He can throw. Bill's thought, if you get
there, I don't know, he's just he, he's, he's a, he's like
their backup slot wide receiver. I see this, I want to bet
against this negativity. I am with you SHO.
Like he's he's been OK. He's a third year tight end, but
1.51 yards per hour runs a rookie and over 100 targets
pretty good. Pretty good for a rookie tight
end. Then last year's at 1.54 yards
per outrun. That includes the egregious drop
in the playoffs. And apparently he was dealing
with some kind of, I mean, come on, that was horrible.
And he's, you know, he's dealing with some weird, neat thing,
Jackie. Smith is an egregious tight end
drop in the playoffs. That was all.
I just need someone come on. Look, I will draft.
I will draft Alden Kincaid today if someone can explain to me how
he's going to run 75% of the routes this year.
He's he's white. Gesicki on the bills, you just
need him to have a 28% targets per outrun on 62% of the routes.
Yeah, that that I can't do. You want to see some red zone
action happen for him? But that hasn't not happened
yet. He's got me before touchdown.
They don't. They don't throw, they don't
throw in the red zone. I know, I know because well,
it's both. It's both things, right, What
their options are and who they have in Allen I I'll just say
keeping with last. Week's name This is This is a
math problem like he either I one of these three things needs
to happen for him to be playing a lot.
Either Khalil Shakur needs to be an outside wide receiver.
Not happening. Dalton Kincaid needs to be an in
line tight end. Not happening.
Or Khalil Shakur needs to not play not.
Happening because. Like you can only put him so
many places. Either he's playing ahead of
knocks in line, he's playing ahead of Shakur in the slot, or
he's playing in the slot and Shakur's playing outside.
Those are the only three options.
None of us. Well, you know what?
OK, all right. God forbid Jacob is making me
defend Dalton Kincaid. Yeah, that's how I feel.
There are there are NFL formations that effectively use
two slot wide receivers that that do, that have no in line
tight end, that have two guys within 5 yards of the tackle on
either side, that are perfectly cromulent plays.
It's a total. Those are cromulent plays.
If it's not third and eight, like you can't, you're you're
saying like you're going to be open edge, so there's going to
be no one in line. If it's if it's first and 10:00
and you're doing that, you're just announcing to the other
team, you're going to pass, which is it's fine.
But then you just end up checking the ball down.
That's what the Bills did as an offense when they drafted
Kincaid. But since then, they've decided
they don't want to do that anymore. 6 lineman.
So on 3rd and 8th they'll do that and that's fine.
But on early downs they're they're not lining up like that
anymore because they want to be they, they want to be playing
against base personnel defenses. They don't want to be playing
against diamond nickel. Power, a deep dive name for for
Davis. Speaking of the Bills and tight
ends, they drafted a guy named Jackson Hawes who is basically
going to be. There.
He's a Yale, a tight end from Yale.
So they ran 6 offensive lineman like all the time last year.
Alec Anderson was the guy. This is going to be this is
going to be that guy that they can pass to if they want.
So, you know, that's I. I got.
To. I got to be honest brother, that
is not inspiring a ton of confidence knowing that they
kind of have a ready made guy to take snaps from Kincaid.
So Kincaid. Jackson Hall.
The nick for Jackson Hayes and Spencer Hawes?
Yeah, Kincaid played 202. 124 inline snaps last year, which is
about half of what Dawson Knox played inline.
He was at 5:11. Knox is the third biggest cap
hit on their team and that was just a very dubious decision
three years ago that they made. Keeping with keeping with last
week's theme, I'm 6% Kincaid and I've been talked out of them.
I have, I only have, I only have like 3% of Kincaid.
So. So he's not even an 8 percenter
for me. Pat, Pat, you have one more on
this. No, I was just going to note
that the inline snaps were are pretty, you know, they're
they're light that, but I think my he put he played over 200
snaps last year in line. It's not like he doesn't do it
at all. It's about equivalent to what he
played in the slot. He's way below Dawson Knox.
So yeah, Kincaid was at 224 in line, 243 in the slot.
Knox played 511 snaps in line but Kincaid was like an OK run
blocker last year, better than Knox.
So I'm sure his assignments were were generally much weaker.
But that would be the path I think.
Is it like Knox is not some special guy who can't be passed?
Like Kincaid could get better in his third season as a run
blocker and take on more of the true tight end role.
I, I think that's your upside case.
Now, maybe it's not that compelling an upside case.
It's not compelling enough of an upside case for me to get
excited when I'm dealing with a lava lamp in a guy's knee.
What's going on with the lava lamp?
Let's figure that out, that that's priority #1.
I like that you know what a lava lamp is of.
Course I do. What are you talking about?
Lava lamps were like popular in the 90s, weren't they?
They like I. They were, they were.
They were retro. Retro popular.
Yeah, they were retropod. They do.
My my. Favorite podcast Bench plane?
Shout out to Yossi Solik. My parasocial best friend has a
theory that everything about the 90s is just making the 70s cool
again, and I think that might apply to lava lamps.
Lava lamps. Because I was like a kid.
I wasn't like I wasn't because in the 70s, right, lava lamps
were more like you're like a teenager, like in college and
you're like, you know, smoking. No, I think respect was a very
weak Jay. Just a.
Young adults like Jay, My, my, my parents.
And that was the lava lamp house, you know, 1975 when I was
3. I see.
And we had lava lamps in every room we had.
We had a lava lamp for every every situation in those days.
I'll have to get one for the set next week.
Get a level and I. Guess my fundamental issue with
this Kincaid thing is like, OK, like I guess, but you can just
draft Dallas Goddard, who's gonna play all the snaps and
yeah, has like a 100 yards per run every year and also plays in
a really good run heavy offense and he goes later.
So it's like, why do I need to take Dalton Kincaid?
You can both week 17 take them both at the turn.
So my, my Internet went out when you were talking about this
report for Johnny Smith. What was the Because I looked up
on Schefter's Twitter, I don't see anything.
What? What?
What did you say there? There's something more from him
today. I got to find it, but he ruled
out a Steelers trade. So after last week bringing up
the possibility of a Steelers trade today.
So my, my, my take from this last week, I think that that
confirms that I can keep thinking what I already thought,
which is that Johnny Smith wanted more money.
And my take on on legendary sickos last week was that this
is when as a kid, you tell your dad that you want something else
for dinner, not what your mom made.
And your dad goes, great, make your own dinner.
Then frigerator's right over there.
And then you go, actually, you know what?
This is pretty good. I'm I'm good at this is this is
better than this is better than I thought it would be.
I'm going to just shut up and eat, I think.
I'm such I'm such a bad dad because when my son and hoping
to get him down here since you brought Vivian on the show and
they're doing so again. When he says that to me, I'm
like, let's go because I'm in. I'm in too.
So let's DoorDash, she's making veggie Curry.
I'm going to I'm I'm with hey, the kids want something else.
I'm in. Let's go.
Nice. That's pretty good.
That's. Brutal.
That is brutal, dude. Well.
I'm with you. How do?
You get away with that. I don't think I do.
Rule rule in our house is if if someone's cooking you, you're
eating it. Yeah, that's.
Just that's what's. That's what's.
On. That's fair, yeah.
That's a good rule as it's been established in ship chasing.
I, I live alone. So if I want something for
dinner, you're having it, I'm cooking it or I'm, or I'm, I'm
calling my, my local DoorDash driver and having it delivered.
Those are. Those are really the only two
options. Yeah, that's fair.
Anyway, I think Jon who had a bluff that was called, I'm not
worried about this old Jonathan. I think it's a, you know,
whether or not you want to take him in the 1st place is a
different matter. But if you're getting a discount
because of because he asked for more money and was told probably
not, I I think I'm going to take that discount.
So one idea we had for today was everybody's 0%.
You know who's the best, highest ranked player on the board that
you're just never taking? We talked about this Jacob and
IA little bit in the discord. I hope you guys sort, sort of
saw it, maybe thought about it for a second rather than diving
into the elite guys 'cause we don't have as much time as we
need for that. And we did advertise this and we
did not go through the entire history of cocaine, cocaine or
what happened to the Edmonton Oilers.
Just to cut through to players that you're just like it a flat
0. Last week, Jacob, you were.
Since you're up to speed here, you were talking about players
that you never see when you put your rankings in.
They're just they never show up as options and you're probably
at close to 0. What are your thoughts here?
What what are my thoughts on just players that I'm at 0 on?
Yeah, like who? Who might be a couple of the
best players? So you pitch this in the in the
chat, I'm gonna expose our backroom discussions that are
that are otherwise subject to solicitor client privilege that
we were going to do a little, a little, a little game of raising
up. So I won't, I won't lead off of
my my top ones, but one guy I have not taken at all.
We've we've discussed him a little bit, but I've, I've been
0% on James Cook so far this season.
And that, that gets us into round 4.
And that's just like partially structural reasons, which is
that, you know, I'm, I'm trying to avoid running backs as much
as I can because there's so many that I want.
And then there's just other guys that I like way more that go in
a similar range. Like I'm, I'm never gonna click
him over Brief Hall. I'm never really gonna click him
over Maureen Hampton. And that, that kind of ends the
discussion. And I, I think like one thing
that maybe gets misinterpreted online and, and like, if I say
I'm 0% on a guy, I think people sometimes take that as me being
like overly confident that I think there's a 0% chance the
guy can hit. That's not at all how I feel.
It's just that like, I'm going to be extremely lucky if I get
one team into the finals. So like, I would rather just
make the bet that I think is better, even if I think it's not
better by that much every single time.
And then I'm just going to hope that I'm right.
Like I'm not really worried about spreading out my bets in a
game where I'm very lucky to have one team in the finals.
So like, to me it's like, yeah, do I think some.
I don't really think that the idea I'm trying to explain this,
a lot of people are like, well, if you think something is a 6040
bat, why wouldn't you take it 6040?
And I'm like, that's reasonable. But that's not really how this
tournament works. Like if I think something is a
6040 bat, I'm just taking the 60 side 100% of the time because I
think that's the better bet. So I'm just going to make the
better bet as many times as I can because I'm pairing each of
those with a completely different lineup that's going in
a different pod. And then if I'm right, then I
have more opportunities to win that bet.
I might be wrong, but we're all going to lose anyways.
So to me it's just whatever I think are the better bets, I'm
just going to make as often as possible and hope for the best.
Yeah, although sometimes those bets are different types of
bets, you know what I mean? Like so that the profiles are
different than. Yeah, because I'm I tend to be
more if it's a 6040, I'm going to make some of that other bet
you. Know completed drafts.
I'm at 0% Cook also, but there's one running back above him that
I also have 0%. Josh what?
Henry. Yeah, I'm at 0, Henry.
I don't really take. 0 Henry. I hate myself for it.
It's. That's my highest draft.
One player zeros. I have.
I have I have 1.7% Derek Henry. So are we a drain?
That's like negative. Yeah, on, on my scale, on my
scale, that's like a huge bid. That's yeah, that that's.
Davis has drafted 600 teams and has never taken 1.
I I was 0% Barkley, but I I got him recently at the one O 4 and
and that's actually where I have him ranked.
So I I gave him the old click. So I now have one Sequin Barclay
team. You see the five or six Barclays
once in a while. I have a couple of those two,
but that's about it. Never at two or three.
All right, this is I. So this is totally unintentional
and I'm going to fix this. Like literally I might do like
10 drafts today to try and fix this.
And it's just a function of my rankings, I guess.
And I just draft off my rankings, completed drafts.
I only have 2.8% of neighbors, which makes sense.
Well, it makes sense if if I because I had McCaffrey ahead of
him. So if you have McCaffrey ahead
and then you're mostly just drafting off of your rankings,
you're you're one of those guys BTJ neighbors, whoever you are
going to get, you're going to be lighter on.
So I'm going to fix that. Here's some other expensive guys
I don't have very much of. 2.9% David Montgomery 2.9 James Cook
2.9 Two .9% Chuba Hubbard That's a bit spicy for me.
That's that's pretty spicy. OK.
There's there are a lot of there are a lot of bad picks.
Well, I just I just. Like why are you out on Chuba?
So much more because I just like Harvey more.
And you, you normally are choosing between them.
And I have I have Hubbard, Walker, Kamara, Henderson all
ranked back-to-back to back. So I probably am just doing a
bad job of RNG ING them. Is it stack related to maybe
Chiefs? Well, no, you know what it is.
Well with neighbors, what it's related to is I am just a little
bit light on him for stacking stuff.
He he's, he's the only first round player who you don't know
who his quarterback is in Week 17.
Neighbors and Bowers is sitting there, I think.
I think we know who his quarterback is in Week 17.
Dart. Yeah.
I mean like 90% probability. Do you guys draft art?
I draft art a lot. Maybe that's bad.
I draft Dart. No, I, I draft Dart, you know,
you know where I'm drafting. Dart and Daniel Jones are like
the Giga Mega Slam skeleton keys in the Superflex puppy, Daniel.
Daniel Jones is a tenth round flex in the Superflex puppy.
Jacob does that. Does that interest you at all?
I mean, I will never draft a superflex basketball team, but
if I did, Daniel Jones would be on all of.
Them five U.S. dollars. Cortland Sutton and Zay Flowers
I'm I'm pretty underweight on JSN here.
I'll put my name on one. I'll put my name on one that if
I was a real man, I would have 0% of JSN.
He he's just a terrible fit for the scoring system.
He's got like giga offensive environment risk.
He's going ahead of Rushy Rice. He's going ahead of Xavier
Worthy. I believe now he is back-to-back
in ADP with Tyreek Hill. And sure, maybe Tyreek is like
the worst pick on the board, but Tyreek has wide receiver like
leads all the fantasy football and scoring upside JSN like what
is JSN? I guess just runs hot on
touchdowns for one year. That's how that's how he buries
me. I, I feel like, I feel like that
is like a gigantic risk on on JSNI feel like his ADP is just
clearly terrible. I have more mill row than dart.
There was a Scott Barrett tweet about the fantasy playoffs that
had Darnold at the as the number one quarterback.
Some something over expected value and like that's a mill row
tweet right there. Those playoff weeks love that
possibility. What if he's any good at all?
I mean Darnold gets buried and they put in mill row and it he
just goes like maybe like that could be something.
I think Millro is the potential of Millro is a horrible,
horrible you. Know that's bad for JSN?
It's ominous as hell for James. For JSN it's like good for MVS.
Yeah, you don't want JSN and Millro is like, well there's
always next year, you know, like.
That's it's, you know what it's like.
It's like, it's like having Josh Downs with Richardson.
It's just like, yeah, it's like, it's like maybe, maybe.
Richardson, make it. Out Yeah, yeah, I, I, I, I
think. Imagine drafting Josh Downs in
the third. Yeah, yeah.
Oh yeah, I wish we could do that because I think he's probably
probably good enough to deserve it, but he'd have to be in a
completely different situation, the three.
Years when when the Colts employ like 38 year old Geno Smith.
Book it also, we'll probably be against it because he'll be kind
of old then and you know, it's yards per hour on the climb
slightly and we're like. He'll be on a boat he'll be on.
A He'll be on a boat once. We had a boat once.
I'll be, I'll be in my 30s by then, so I'll be, I'll be in my
Davis era. I'll just be 8.3% of everyone.
Yeah, OK. No it won't.
It won't matter to you. The only reason why I have to do
this is like doing 500 recorded best ball drafts in front of an
audience and then having them go as bad as possible.
I wouldn't wish it on anyone really.
I mean I I once was like in in a live theatrical production of
The Sound of Music when I was like 9 and I peed myself on
stage in front of like over 1000 people.
Oh, I'd rather do that. You can.
Get over if you can get over that, you can get over anything.
So like to me it's like I don't have a shame complex.
Was this a school? Was this a school play?
No, it was not a school play. It was it was called Rainbow
Stage in Winnipeg, MB. It's a lovely outdoor theater.
And they were like no like probably like 2000 adults
watching. I don't know if all of them
noticed. How many?
Kids like the leader Hosen was like kind of like a vaguely
yellow color. How many kids were there?
How many like? Kids in the show.
In the show, did you like go to school with like, did this
follow you to your school is what I'm saying?
Is it not at all? Or is it not at all?
I'm not a. Single person, that's Yeah, it
could. Have been I'm a little I'm
trying to catch up. I'm trying to catch up from the
from the hamlet segment. Can I guess your role?
Well, I was 9, so if you can't guess my role, you've never seen
The Sound of Music. A little kid.
All right. Now you were not Rolf, OK.
That's I was actually Rolf in high school in grade 11.
My son was. Rolf and he's on his way down.
He was Rolf and he's on his way down.
So you know, just. I mean like in like 20 years
maybe I will be Max or the Captain.
But we started as Kurt. We upgraded to Rolf.
Kurt, we have a Rolf off. Shout out to ghost cards.
I was born to piss yellow. That that is true.
Really pissed in yellow since nine years old.
Around the same, around the steam age, I, I, for some
reason, I think I had like, I don't know what I was doing, but
I at the time we lived in a house where the basement was
like downstairs behind the, so you walk down the stairs, the
front doors right there and then basically behind that you go
down to the basement stairs. And I went down and I think I
must have like had dirty clothes that I wanted to drop off down
the basement for something. So I'm coming up from the
basement and I'm buck naked and it is importantly Halloween.
And so I, I come back to to the front door as I'm like 9 years
old, my little naked body like a group of teenage girls were at
our like, like, you know, rang the bell to trick or treat and
we have a glass front door. So I that was my scarring moment
at the time. But you know, I recover from
that. Just quickly, my son Julius is
here. We're talking about Rolf and the
Sound of Music just now. And he.
Come on, Lena. And any particular memories of
playing Rolf real quick? They really changed the
character for me when I. They did change the character
for Julius. They wrote it a little bit
differently for Julius in his production.
So. Good.
You learn something new every day in ADP chasing, yeah?
You do, you do we're. Doing a lot of kid chasing
today. Kid chasing there it is just
back from Wells, Jacob, you know.
Why is why is Jalen Knoll falling?
What would what would the what would the reason for Knoll
falling be? Just while we're here.
Generally people are not drafting as many rookies.
Yeah, I think that's. They're scared.
It's. Kind of a universal slide on
rookies other than Pat Bryant, But like, we're seeing like,
look at this list, right? Samson, Neil, Noel, Burden, Iron
Man or Royals? This is the this is the, this is
the Michael Leone. We're all trying to find the guy
who did this. Why do rookies go later in June
situation? They're going to keep falling
until they get news like they'll if they get training camp pipe,
they'll, they'll move up a bit. Everyone, everyone one day will
just wake up. Like they pop out of their their
matrix pod, their eyes pop open and they're like, wait, he's
only behind Christian Kirk? Yeah.
He he just, he just has to fade a perfect health season from
Christian Kirk who just was cut, then not cut, then traded for a
conditional 7th. So my, some of my guys, I, I
looked at JSN and I'm at 5%, but I was like, you know, one of the
reasons is because Garrett Wilson's there.
But I looked I've drafted Garrett Wilson once, which is
the one of those things where I've taken them plenty in the
big board. So it's like I think I've
drafted them, but I just haven't.
I haven't drafted as much as I normally do to this point.
I'm going to, I'm going to start cranking some drafts in here.
But yeah, that's one where I'm I'm like, don't feel great about
that. It's it's kind of similar to
Davis's neighbors one where I'm like, oh, I don't love that.
But it is, I guess, a reminder of how good a pick Rice is,
because I'm guessing every time I see Wilson, else goes, right,
Yeah. I was going to ask, what's your
Rice and McBride exposure that feels Yeah, that.
Well, that's in for your. Let's see, Rice, I'm at 18.
Wish that was higher, honestly. And then McBride, I'm at 21.
Ricky numbers brother. I know, I know.
I have. I have more Garrett Wilson than
Rushy Rice. I just looked.
Wow, wow man, let's. Become of you, I am. 23 McBride.
18% Garrett Wilson actually, but I have 25% Rishi Rice.
Everyone. Everyone's just Lucy in football
in Kansas. City Who do I not?
Have surely, surely this will be the time that Andy Reid and met
Meg. You don't take the ball away.
No, this is the beauty of rice. Like the Chiefs can be boring
and Rice is is going to work within the Chiefs being boring.
Yeah, all right, let's do. Let's do our raunchy picks.
Because it's actually a bat on the chief being boring.
That was our raunchy picks, yeah.
When? We do kind of, unless you want
to consider last, last call raunchy picks, which it is well.
Yeah, it's kind of it is kind. Of I'll call it a different
style of raunchy. Yeah, I thought I'd learned from
you guys maybe the last few days that nobody says raunchy
anymore. Like, raunchy's a little bit
sexual. Raunchy.
Sexual. Gross.
Yeah, raunchy. Sexual, that's why.
I was very confused of seeing. Group chat about what you were
going for with raunchy but. You know, disgusting, gross,
raunchy, obscene. To me, raunchy is like a like,
if I'm thinking of a raunchy pick, it's like a pick that I, I
know better and I shouldn't be into this and I'm kind of afraid
to admit it, but I actually am into it.
That'd be like to me like a raunchy pick.
Cause like isn't is raunchy and kinky like that different?
No raunchy's like overt raunchy's like kind of over the
top raunchy's like a 90s. Like, like, you know, like
vulgar trip. Is Euro trips raunchy?
You know what I mean? Like those types of movies?
Earthy. Who's a raunchy best ball pick
then, pal? Earthy's a different, I think.
It's the first word. It's the first word on the
definition. I almost think a raunchy best
ball. I I think a raunchy best ball
pick would be 1 actually, that you are really high on that,
that there's like a, it's like a, a stand that you shouldn't
have like a like a hole. OK, that's a stand.
No, I just do. You OK?
You're comfortable with that? That's what I would do is my is
my 30% Travis Hunter raunchy? Yes, that's a raunchy pick.
That's a very raunchy pick. Yes, all.
Right. OK, OK, so someone in the.
That's how to waste like. They said American Pie is right,
so it's like American Pie. Yeah, American Pie.
That's a. Raunchy and then like eyes wide
shot is kinky. I think that's correct.
OK, I. Think that's correct?
I think that's all right. I'm.
Glad. We've seen seen none of these
films. Words evolve.
Film. Film I've been meeting Infinite
Jazz for the 17th time when I've one shot came out so.
Which movie would Davis like more of the two?
Of American Pie, I'm sure. American Pie, Yeah.
Really. I don't think so.
I would pick the. Other one no.
I think it's like Eyes Wide Shut more.
I'm not sure you would like American Pie.
Yeah, you'd think it was terrible.
I mean, probably. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's a movie
of it's time, you know, it's. You're too old for it now.
You're too old for it. Now is there is there any split
diopter in either film? I'll just guess no, not knowing
what that means, I. Don't even know what a split
diopter. Is a split diopter.
Is like the OK? I mean, it's neither here nor
with. Yeah, this isn't Eyes Wide Shut
takes itself more seriously, if that's what you're asking.
Yeah. Yeah.
Definitely. I mean, it's hard not it's hard
to take yourself less seriously than American Pie, but yeah.
There's nudity in both. I didn't, I didn't have time to
see either movie because I've seen, I've seen Heat like 19
times and that's like a. Full you can't in between heat
you always you couldn't squeeze it in.
Let me There's nudity in both. One more.
Maybe not on the level of the Ponderosa Nudist Family Resort
in Guelph ON Jacob, but that's for another conversation as
well. Pat.
Let me squeeze in one more guy that that I literally have not
drafted and we've talked about before, but I just want to do
the check in on Jameson Williams, who is who is making
me increasingly nervous. OK, I just want you to
understand where I'm coming from here.
I don't like the vibes. The vibes seem very positive,
but I'm just like, you know, there was a graphic that I saw
on Twitter that was like, you know, it was one of those things
was like starting in a totally random week.
Not a good week, definitely not a good week.
That makes this stat better. He, you know, from this week to
the end of the season, he was the wide receiver 22.
Like that's not very high. And then he's like the way he's
going with the wide receiver 26. So, you know, I guess you're
getting a little discount on that you.
You guys. You're getting all this hype and
it's making me nervous. It's, it's making me nervous.
I I will admit. Where's the hype coming from?
That's not Davis. Like, is their hype coming?
The. Coaches.
The coaches talking about. Them.
They will not, they will not stop talking because I think if
you're looking, if you as a coach are trying to do some
problem solving, OK, our offensive line's not going to be
as good this year. We're losing Ben Johnson.
We're kind of trying to reconfigure things on the our.
Whole line's going to be bad, so we're going to have a lot of
time for Jared Goff to find his deep threat.
I think, I think you are. I think I would just, I would
encourage you, I would encourage you to, to open your mind, just
the snitch. There is there is like not only
do I have 0% Jameson Williams, there is a 0% chance that I will
ever have Jameson Williams, man not it's not gonna happen.
Your two favorite players I actually like you're you're
you're worthy love. I I don't have 0% Xavier worthy.
I I won't have a lot, but I do take him occasionally.
The chances that I draft Jameson Williams or DJ Moore this year?
Subterranean. Yeah, DJ Moore is a 0 for me as
well. Vibes, by the way.
I mean, he's like basically going where Hunter and Ted go
and like, that's right. The idea that I would take a
player who has a career high of 90 targets in three years.
That right there is the most fake stat that is so absurd fake
thing it's OK that is that is a lying lying with truth right
there you. Lying with truth.
Jacob lying. With truth, so elite, elite you
lying with truth. Is Davis's Liquid 82 cover
band's name. Here, Here's what I would like
to I would like to propose a deal, Davis.
Every time you watch American Pie this summer, I will draft
Jameson Williams and Jacob will draft DJ Moore.
It's not going to happen. You can't watch it more than
once. I can't.
Agree to that. Deal you can't watch.
It like I'm only going to have about 427 drafts this year.
I can't soil one of those with DJ Moore.
I I think I've truly watched one movie in 2025 and I rewatched
Fellowship of the Ring I believe.
I believe that's literally the only movie I've watched this
year. Have you guys seen French?
No, no. But I I would go see friendship.
I I really like Tim Robbins. Incredible movie.
I haven't seen it. Yeah, nobody has ever watched
American Pie and said to themselves, I'm going to watch
that again. Yeah.
Watch the sequel. If he wants me to draft.
I think every member. Of the sequel has to count Pat
the. Sequel counts any American Pride
franchise. Any of the sequels like if?
There's I mean, the sequels are worse.
So that's that's not I mean. Usually yes.
Last call hire. With passionate love.
Last call. Oh yeah, I got out of the come
up story. June 2 by the June OH.
That's how these slides we didn't use.
I know we Let's go. This show has a unfortunate
reputation for being cut short it really doesn't deserve.
That well it's a 5 hour show that we never we never seem to
get to the full length so. No, we I'm trying to.
Figure out if I'm I'm trying to figure out if I've already taken
this guy. Last call, so I've got a name if
you wanted. I'm happy to go last.
It's sort of been falling. Lately this week because I need
to go last. I'll go, I'll go first 'cause
mine's easy. I believe he's undrafted in this
exercise, yet I can't believe I've not taken him yet.
Ty Felton. Ty Felton again, People just did
not realize he was a third round pick because he was the last
pick of the third round. Everyone went to sleep and was
off doing something else. He's like a, a deep, a deep
threat. Awesome.
I mean, he's not awesome. He was a pretty good wide
receiver at Maryland but he he just is in the nutted spot where
he can just run. Like he can just accidentally
run into 7 touchdowns because of who he plays with.
Like what if instead of Jordan Addison getting all the free
Justin Jefferson created touchdowns they go to someone
else? So Ty, Ty Felton.
He's the new actually Osbourne Plus.
Literally. Yeah, yeah, I actually do have
one. Just making sure he hasn't been
taken. It's really hard that we can't
command F on this slide. Devin Neil.
Fine. Aren't you?
Aren't you worried bro? Aren't.
You aren't. You just fell in the two
hundreds. Oh, he just.
Fell in the two hundreds. Yeah, yeah, I'm a little.
Worried he's made it, done his homework.
I've got time, I've done his. Homework on last.
Call, you can tell it, but clearly I filtered seconds ago
and said, oh, Devin Neil's in two.
Hundreds on the plane across country.
He's like, yeah, 2. 100. Mine.
Yeah, good. Am I misreading this?
I'm staring at this thing and I'm pretty sure I don't see
Miles Sanders's name. Is he not on this?
Do you not drafted him? Take him well.
I'm surprised that we haven't, or I'm surprised that I haven't
because I have like 25. Percent yeah, I feel like I
maybe wanted to take him, but. Didn't, but it looks like he's
not on the list so I'm going to take him now.
I think he will lead the Dallas Cowboys in fantasy points this
year at the running back position. 214.
That's more of a 2025 Davis Maddock take than a Jacob
Sanderson take. Look, that's my raunchy stand.
My my actual raunchiest stand is 25% mile Sanders.
I think that's it is gross, but I'm I'm proud to proud to admit
that. You might.
Have one one boomer stand. I feel like that's the only
thing that maybe the chat will actually get behind me on is the
is the mile Sanders take because I don't understand how Travis
Hunter even has an ADP if you based off of our YouTube chat.
Like you know, every single person that's ever watched this
show live has not not drafted him, but people I'm sure can get
more behind the really bad 28 year old running back that I
take a lot of. You said you had 25%, Sanders.
I have 25% milestone. OK, you have me beat then.
I mean, you got 5. That's probably more
responsible. Oh, actually I did a few.
I did a few more drafts recently.
So he's up to 27. I like it.
We'll see why these slow. I'm in 30. 6 This actually this
actually is a good a good pick for this game strong.
And I will since I'm last. Year I It is a good pick.
I will not take Gabe Davis visiting with the Steelers.
Instead, I will take my guy Keaton Mitchell.
I just really like Keaton Mitchell.
I'm not drafting Henry, and if he's healthy, let's go.
It's just. Nice.
There's a. There's a lot there.
Did you see the hype on him? He said he feels like 2023
again. Yeah.
Is that good? That's probably good.
I'd rather hear like 2021. Definitely better that he feels
like 2023 than 2020. 424 yeah, that's definitely right.
Younger, the early, older, the better.
Earlier the better. All right, there's last call for
this week. Have at it, guys.
Jacob and Davis, you going somewhere together here today?
No, I'm I'm for me right after this.
It's going to work, Dave. You're not going to a law firm
in Vancouver or British Columbia, Canada right now.
No, I'm going. I'm going to my work, which is
talking more about fantasy football and a different fantasy
football show. Although, to be fair, we
probably won't talk about fantasy football on that show.
Love it, I already mentioned. Football on this show we we've
talked about 90s movies talking about.
That's fair. That's kids are showing up.
Just quote unprompted. The drugs in the California
house scene. Just so much you got to you got
to hopefully people appreciate that from us.
We hopefully we give them enough football content.
I'm just saying that to myself. I already mentioned before we
get to Pat Rich rebar today, Ian Hart, it's tomorrow.
We've got a lot of guys you guys listen to and I mean, you know,
if not yourselves, viewers and listeners in the fantasy space.
And that'll be on the Odyssey app, wgr550.com in Buffalo, Pat.
Yeah, so as Jacob mentioned, I got an article out last week
that was looking at the draft landscape kind of round by round
draft game plan that I also narrate for Legendary Upside
Premium subscribers to check that out.
Matt Irby should have a post on the site this week.
We're going to launch some rankings for FFPC.
I'm going to get the eliminated rankings out this week.
Look for that and then going to be drafting and streaming with
with Shady and Sacrilegious this week.
Might be today, tomorrow in that range.
Got some cool stuff to talk through with them.
Some some some announcements, some teasers for stuff that
we're doing this summer with those dudes.
Very good go Oilers. Thanks for hockey quota box
checked. Thanks for watching and
listening today. ADP Chasing Mike Pat, Jacob
Davis. See you next week.