1 00:00:12,970 --> 00:00:16,570 All right, guys, we're back. Here on the clock for our series 2 00:00:16,570 --> 00:00:20,090 here the FFPC Mini S where we walk through each of our 3 00:00:20,090 --> 00:00:40,770 decision points. We were starting to look at the 4 00:00:40,770 --> 00:00:42,810 onesie positions a little bit, starting to. 5 00:00:20,930 --> 00:00:25,490 In our first FFPC main event, we started this team off from the 6 00:00:25,490 --> 00:00:27,370 11 hole with A J Brown and CD Lamb. 7 00:00:27,370 --> 00:00:31,090 We came back at the 3-4 turn with Debo Samuel and DK Metcalf. 8 00:00:31,330 --> 00:00:34,650 We kept pissing yellow there at 5-6 with Brandon and Iuk and 9 00:00:34,650 --> 00:00:38,010 Deontay Johnson, and then the sweat was on for how we were 10 00:00:38,010 --> 00:00:39,250 going to approach the seven eighth. 11 00:00:43,050 --> 00:00:46,010 Consider our first running back and we have a string of picks, 12 00:00:46,010 --> 00:00:49,330 guys, that was pretty brutal as far as some of our targets at 13 00:00:49,330 --> 00:00:50,810 73. Devonte Williams. 14 00:00:50,810 --> 00:00:53,250 And you have Gabe Davis, Quinton Johnston Trail and Burks, 15 00:00:53,250 --> 00:00:56,450 DeAndre Swift, Elijah Moore, Jahan Dotson, Pat Friarmuth. 16 00:00:56,730 --> 00:00:59,690 And then we're on the clock at 7:11. 17 00:00:59,890 --> 00:01:01,890 I will admit our picks are already in here. 18 00:01:01,890 --> 00:01:05,330 We weren't able to to get on the horn yesterday to discuss these 19 00:01:05,330 --> 00:01:08,930 decisions, but what were you guys thinking about initially? 20 00:01:08,930 --> 00:01:11,250 When will you found out we're on the clock at 711 here. 21 00:01:12,960 --> 00:01:16,240 Well, I was annoyed because at 6-7 I was messaging you guys 22 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,240 that, hey, JK Dobbins had not had not gone yet. 23 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:21,920 That was somebody we very loosely talked about the 5-6 24 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,640 turn. But he felt like cover and and 25 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,080 maybe the fact that he slid all the way through the 6th round 26 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:30,520 past ADP was evidence that Javonte Williams would slide in 27 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:32,360 this room. Because maybe these drafters are 28 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,520 a little, you know, are uncomfortable with with 29 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:39,000 unhealthy running backs. And you know, DeAndre Swift was 30 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:40,600 another running back in that tier. 31 00:01:41,340 --> 00:01:43,220 It seemed like we might get a nice running back follower and 32 00:01:43,220 --> 00:01:45,500 then at the 6-7 turn there was like 4 running backs and five 33 00:01:45,500 --> 00:01:47,580 picks. We also really liked the wide 34 00:01:47,580 --> 00:01:49,980 receivers that might be available at 7-8 and you just 35 00:01:49,980 --> 00:01:52,660 mentioned like five or six of them went in the seven picks 36 00:01:53,100 --> 00:01:55,540 before us. And then Friar Booth was the one 37 00:01:55,540 --> 00:01:59,140 tight end as well that we were very into and he goes one pick 38 00:01:59,140 --> 00:02:02,060 before us. So it was a list of kind of like 39 00:02:02,060 --> 00:02:04,660 if we would have been had been filling out our queue, a list of 40 00:02:04,660 --> 00:02:07,340 targets that that just got wiped out before we got on the clock. 41 00:02:09,570 --> 00:02:16,010 Yeah, it wasn't it wasn't ideal and it came so the guy that you 42 00:02:16,010 --> 00:02:20,250 guys were most interested in I think or the name that was one 43 00:02:20,250 --> 00:02:23,170 of the first names that was floated was Evan Ingram, who I 44 00:02:23,290 --> 00:02:29,170 am like very out on this year, which made this difficult turn. 45 00:02:29,170 --> 00:02:34,570 And then James Connor was the was the value from the ADP 46 00:02:34,570 --> 00:02:37,370 perspective. And none of us are, really. 47 00:02:37,410 --> 00:02:39,570 And Dalvin Cook, I think was the 3rd as well. 48 00:02:39,570 --> 00:02:41,050 That was a value from the perspective. 49 00:02:41,530 --> 00:02:42,690 None of us with that end of Connor. 50 00:02:42,690 --> 00:02:46,770 I take Connor sometimes in Best ball, but he's like hardly an 51 00:02:46,770 --> 00:02:52,450 exciting main event pick. So yeah, they got, I just, I 52 00:02:52,450 --> 00:02:54,050 floated the two names. The other thing that was 53 00:02:54,050 --> 00:02:56,650 difficult about this is that we were all pretty busy this 54 00:02:56,650 --> 00:02:59,090 weekend and so we're trying to do this through chat and it 55 00:02:59,090 --> 00:03:01,370 wasn't. You know, you always want the 56 00:03:01,370 --> 00:03:03,730 pick to be clear and it to be someone that everyone's excited 57 00:03:03,730 --> 00:03:05,250 about. But it's especially tough when 58 00:03:05,250 --> 00:03:08,170 when it's not and then you can't actually get on and do a mini. 59 00:03:08,170 --> 00:03:11,650 So I think this is like a mini that we would have loved to be 60 00:03:11,650 --> 00:03:14,370 on the clock and actually talk through in real time, but none 61 00:03:14,370 --> 00:03:18,530 of us could And so we're just like furiously Discord chatting 62 00:03:18,530 --> 00:03:22,170 while we had a had a break from various obligations. 63 00:03:22,170 --> 00:03:26,170 So the two guys that I floated were were James Cook and Jordan 64 00:03:26,170 --> 00:03:29,450 Addison is the most fun guys that were available. 65 00:03:30,490 --> 00:03:33,490 And I think our big dilemma, right, is, you know, we're all, 66 00:03:33,490 --> 00:03:36,370 we all have the stomach to keep taking wide receivers. 67 00:03:36,370 --> 00:03:40,210 But then you do start to think structurally about, you know, 68 00:03:40,210 --> 00:03:44,050 how are you going to scoop UP0R V targets, scoop up tight end 69 00:03:44,050 --> 00:03:46,250 values and scoop up a punt tight end? 70 00:03:46,250 --> 00:03:49,490 Like you're essentially punting every position other than wide 71 00:03:49,490 --> 00:03:51,610 receiver. And as much as we like the wide 72 00:03:51,610 --> 00:03:54,050 receivers in this range, there does come a spot where you can't 73 00:03:54,050 --> 00:03:56,330 take running backs, quarterbacks, tight ends all in 74 00:03:56,330 --> 00:03:58,170 the same pocket of the draft. I know that's what you were 75 00:03:58,170 --> 00:04:02,010 struggling with as well then. Yeah, that was really the big 76 00:04:02,010 --> 00:04:04,650 thing for me. And this idea of of getting to 77 00:04:04,650 --> 00:04:08,090 seven wide receivers that you guys have talked about as kind 78 00:04:08,090 --> 00:04:10,770 of a focus and a goal since even before I was drafting with you 79 00:04:10,770 --> 00:04:12,330 guys. But I've always been very 80 00:04:12,330 --> 00:04:14,450 comfortable with as well and we've done in the last couple of 81 00:04:14,450 --> 00:04:16,490 years. Was something that I wanted to 82 00:04:16,490 --> 00:04:19,529 talk to a little bit more this year, particularly in the 2023 83 00:04:19,529 --> 00:04:23,210 drafting meta, where the quarterbacks are viewed a lot 84 00:04:23,210 --> 00:04:25,370 differently. Because I think even three years 85 00:04:25,370 --> 00:04:27,850 ago when we talked about getting all that receiver depth. 86 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,760 One of the things you're hoping for is okay, I can still hit on 87 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:32,760 that late round quarterback that's a top five guy. 88 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:35,880 Late round tight end is still pretty viable. 89 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:40,120 Obviously we like the paths that you can get on 0 RB. 90 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:44,040 In terms of trying to at least mimic, you can't really mimic 91 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:48,040 legendary upside at running back, but mimic the like RB 3 or 92 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,200 RB Four's production. And something I wrote about last 93 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,640 year is you know calling this Frankenstein running back thing 94 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,080 when you're doing the 0RB thing, how that all adds up and kind of 95 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,200 using some examples, some real life examples. 96 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:03,000 It's not getting to the 23 plus point scores that pass written 97 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:07,760 about on legendary upside, but it is getting hopefully close to 98 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:11,080 the next tier of running back. So my concern. 99 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:15,240 The reason that that really works is especially like the guy 100 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,560 who found the legendary running back if it took him 5 cracks at 101 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,290 running back to do that. And he ended up with a terrible 102 00:05:21,290 --> 00:05:23,890 team around and put one good player like if you don't 103 00:05:23,890 --> 00:05:26,810 necessarily need, if you're drafting productive players and 104 00:05:26,810 --> 00:05:30,210 crushing him in the flex at wide receiver and you're you're 105 00:05:30,210 --> 00:05:32,090 getting close enough at running back you'll. 106 00:05:32,090 --> 00:05:35,450 You'll be right, right. But so the concern with the the 107 00:05:35,450 --> 00:05:40,090 rising quarterback values in 2023 for me was just, I mean, 108 00:05:40,090 --> 00:05:43,810 did we, did we need to use this term to hit anchors? 109 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,280 That two different positions, so we can start to build that goal 110 00:05:47,280 --> 00:05:50,080 at running back but also at quarterback that we probably 111 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:53,080 can't match the upside of the elites and that's why 112 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:54,960 quarterbacks are starting to go higher than ever. 113 00:05:55,280 --> 00:05:57,440 And so the late round quarterback thing, it's not that 114 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,920 hey, I can have this year's QB one, it's that I'm hoping to get 115 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:05,200 that next tier of quarterback scoring sort of similar to 0 RB. 116 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:07,920 And then I think you're kind of in a similar boat with tight end 117 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,520 frankly as well. And so do we have enough point 118 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,080 scoring in our starting lineups when we get to 7 receivers in 119 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:14,920 the 1st 8 rounds? That was a question I wanted to 120 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,560 talk through and and was kind of favoring Evan Ingram. 121 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,240 Even though Pat, you made some really good arguments against 122 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:24,080 him, I think of him as a floor play and felt like, OK, well at 123 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,480 least we're locking in four points at tight end in this 11 124 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:29,880 season, 11 week abbreviated regular season. 125 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:36,120 Yeah, I guess. And the reason that I I like the 126 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,470 ceiling on James Cook. Who ended up being the first guy 127 00:06:39,470 --> 00:06:43,070 that we took which which I think made the most sense because that 128 00:06:43,070 --> 00:06:45,070 was not a wide receiver. And so I was like all right, 129 00:06:45,070 --> 00:06:47,590 let's get at least one non wide receiver with the 2 picks. 130 00:06:48,230 --> 00:06:49,990 I think he's got a pretty exciting ceiling. 131 00:06:49,990 --> 00:06:52,430 I don't think he was a great prospect but second round draft 132 00:06:52,430 --> 00:06:57,670 capital getting really good buzz at camp, you know I doubt he's 133 00:06:57,670 --> 00:06:59,430 like a true goal line back for them. 134 00:06:59,430 --> 00:07:03,030 That seems like kind of you're really just like, you know 135 00:07:03,030 --> 00:07:05,930 that's that's like his 90. 8th percentile outcome or something? 136 00:07:05,930 --> 00:07:08,570 It actually gets used at the Golan a really meaningful way. 137 00:07:08,570 --> 00:07:12,370 But if he's there truly running back on a super high scoring 138 00:07:12,370 --> 00:07:15,130 offense and gets used as a receiver a lot and is explosive, 139 00:07:16,570 --> 00:07:20,410 he can easily pay off this ADP and be a really fun running back 140 00:07:20,410 --> 00:07:23,130 one for us. Yeah, I would. 141 00:07:23,770 --> 00:07:24,850 Go. Ahead. 142 00:07:24,850 --> 00:07:28,370 I'm just gonna pull up the board here and I was definitely on 143 00:07:28,370 --> 00:07:31,150 board with. The James Cook selection and 144 00:07:31,150 --> 00:07:33,150 just also thinking about how these rooms go. 145 00:07:33,350 --> 00:07:36,910 It does feel like FFPC drafters are going to gobble up the 0RB 146 00:07:36,910 --> 00:07:40,190 premium targets even quicker than they are some of these 147 00:07:40,510 --> 00:07:43,950 tight ends. And it did give me a little bit. 148 00:07:43,950 --> 00:07:47,830 I was more comfortable punting these other onesies this year, 149 00:07:47,830 --> 00:07:50,190 just knowing that the landscape is a little different. 150 00:07:50,450 --> 00:07:53,770 Than previous years, the quarterbacks pushed up more and 151 00:07:53,770 --> 00:07:56,130 the tight end tons of value late. 152 00:07:56,130 --> 00:07:58,930 And so I do think making the running back pick with one of 153 00:07:58,930 --> 00:08:02,330 these two made a ton of sense because it could get even 154 00:08:02,330 --> 00:08:04,610 further wiped out by the time we're on the clock at the end of 155 00:08:04,610 --> 00:08:07,530 the night. Yeah, I mean it's it was an easy 156 00:08:07,610 --> 00:08:11,170 pick to start the Zero RB build. I was very in on it as well. 157 00:08:11,170 --> 00:08:13,610 One of the other just notes on Cook's profile for anyone. 158 00:08:14,310 --> 00:08:16,310 Interested. A fun stat on 10 and Singletary. 159 00:08:16,310 --> 00:08:19,990 All four years of his career? Exactly 2.4 receptions per game 160 00:08:19,990 --> 00:08:21,630 in Buffalo. Four straight seasons. 161 00:08:22,510 --> 00:08:24,470 If you go to, like his Pro Football Reference page, it 162 00:08:24,470 --> 00:08:28,430 rounds to the 10th decimal. It's 2.42.42.42.4 and that's 163 00:08:28,430 --> 00:08:31,590 what's really low targets per outrun out of him, Cook actually 164 00:08:31,590 --> 00:08:32,830 showed a little bit more targets. 165 00:08:32,830 --> 00:08:36,110 Power on upside, Zack Moss used to too, like Singletary, 166 00:08:36,110 --> 00:08:38,309 apparently. I don't think running backs 167 00:08:38,309 --> 00:08:41,450 usually draw targets, but like. Maybe just isn't in the right 168 00:08:41,450 --> 00:08:44,250 spot sometimes when he releases they usually just played him on 169 00:08:44,250 --> 00:08:47,050 pass downs cuz he was a good pass blocker I think is the big 170 00:08:47,090 --> 00:08:50,210 thing, but he still soaked up some receptions is my point. 171 00:08:50,210 --> 00:08:53,570 I think Cook is the obvious candidate to take that on, as 172 00:08:53,570 --> 00:08:56,850 Pat was saying. Yep. 173 00:08:57,450 --> 00:09:00,450 And so. We we select James Cook, which I 174 00:09:00,450 --> 00:09:03,290 think is a pick that we all, you know, felt good about, at least 175 00:09:03,290 --> 00:09:05,970 as a consolation prize for some of the other things we wanted to 176 00:09:05,970 --> 00:09:08,090 do. And then kind of like we've done 177 00:09:08,090 --> 00:09:10,530 with some of these other picks with DK Betcalf with Deonte 178 00:09:10,530 --> 00:09:14,170 Johnson, we punted the hard decision to it coming back 179 00:09:14,170 --> 00:09:17,970 around in the next round. It's so Brandy Cooks goes, 180 00:09:17,970 --> 00:09:21,010 Michael Thomas goes. Neither of those guys were in 181 00:09:21,010 --> 00:09:23,850 consideration for us. And now we're back here deciding 182 00:09:23,850 --> 00:09:26,610 between another running back. You guys mentioned James Conner 183 00:09:27,050 --> 00:09:28,650 continuing to go yellow with Jordan. 184 00:09:28,730 --> 00:09:31,810 And Addison? Or do we convince Pat that Evan 185 00:09:31,810 --> 00:09:34,050 Ingram makes sense here? Spoiler alert, Ben and I were 186 00:09:34,050 --> 00:09:36,650 not able to convince Pat. That not for lack of trying. 187 00:09:37,690 --> 00:09:40,050 We really. We literally ran the clock. 188 00:09:40,210 --> 00:09:42,250 I did. I did. 189 00:09:42,450 --> 00:09:43,930 So Saturday night, we're all busy. 190 00:09:43,930 --> 00:09:45,490 Our clock was going to run out Sunday morning. 191 00:09:45,490 --> 00:09:47,690 We literally talked about it until our clock ran out. 192 00:09:47,690 --> 00:09:49,850 Addison, top of the queue. For those watching on YouTube, 193 00:09:49,850 --> 00:09:51,970 you'll see the the auto draft symbol. 194 00:09:51,970 --> 00:09:53,610 We literally were in the middle of our chat. 195 00:09:53,610 --> 00:09:56,210 Like I I mentioned at one point we have 4 minutes of the clock, 196 00:09:56,210 --> 00:09:58,650 4 minute warning and we let it run through. 197 00:09:59,010 --> 00:10:02,090 I think I would have preferred Ingram as much as I like Addison 198 00:10:02,090 --> 00:10:04,290 for the reasons I was laying out with the seven wide receiver 199 00:10:04,290 --> 00:10:06,210 build not necessarily being against that. 200 00:10:06,210 --> 00:10:08,730 But look on a team where we already went Devo and I, you can 201 00:10:08,730 --> 00:10:11,490 kind of talk through how that's going to, you know, there's 202 00:10:11,490 --> 00:10:14,410 that, you know, single element. It's not really a single at this 203 00:10:14,410 --> 00:10:17,050 high of the draft, but probably one of those guys is going to be 204 00:10:17,050 --> 00:10:19,850 startable in almost any scenario I can envision. 205 00:10:20,050 --> 00:10:22,050 We're playing Asia Brown and CD Lamb. 206 00:10:23,010 --> 00:10:24,810 I mean Deonte Johnson. This part of the reason you guys 207 00:10:24,810 --> 00:10:27,090 didn't necessarily want to take him, but he is a target floor 208 00:10:27,090 --> 00:10:30,870 type of guy. I I there's injuries can happen 209 00:10:30,870 --> 00:10:32,430 by weeks. Obviously we want to be able to 210 00:10:32,430 --> 00:10:33,750 cover those. There's a lot of reasons that 211 00:10:33,750 --> 00:10:36,870 we've always loved wide receiver depth, but I did feel like 212 00:10:36,910 --> 00:10:39,590 Ingram in particular. He was third in the NFL and 213 00:10:39,590 --> 00:10:42,630 routes run last year. He was at 523. 214 00:10:42,630 --> 00:10:46,230 Only six tight ends were over 450 so he was a pretty big gap 215 00:10:46,230 --> 00:10:49,550 over even like the 7th and 8th tight ends in routes run. 216 00:10:49,910 --> 00:10:52,990 He didn't earn volume in a massive clip, but pretty pretty 217 00:10:52,990 --> 00:10:54,990 solid for a guy running that many routes. 218 00:10:55,410 --> 00:10:57,530 And the bigger thing with the Jags, all four of their main 219 00:10:57,530 --> 00:11:01,410 guys ran a ton of routes. Christian Kirk was up over 600. 220 00:11:01,650 --> 00:11:05,690 Zay Jones also was up over 500. Marvin Jones is at like 474. 221 00:11:05,690 --> 00:11:08,130 They didn't have another wide receiver or tight end on their 222 00:11:08,130 --> 00:11:10,330 entire roster that had 100 routes run. 223 00:11:10,730 --> 00:11:13,170 So the addition of Ridley, Pat, you made a good point here that 224 00:11:13,170 --> 00:11:14,810 that could be a problem for Ingram. 225 00:11:15,130 --> 00:11:18,330 But with Marvin Jones leaving, Ingram still fits in with that 226 00:11:18,450 --> 00:11:22,450 main 411 personnel, 3 receivers and the tight end. 227 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,480 Where I think it's really easy to project him for 450 plus 228 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:27,560 routes, which is probably going to put him at top five in the 229 00:11:27,560 --> 00:11:29,520 league. You know, especially if he's up 230 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:31,560 over 500 routes like he was last year. 231 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,160 The ceiling probably not great, but it's I think it's still 232 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,120 possible. He had a really solid stretch 233 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,480 down down the end of the year after his really big game and 234 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,400 whatever it was week 14 or week 15 he had another big game in 235 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:45,680 the regular season and then another really solid game in the 236 00:11:45,680 --> 00:11:47,480 playoffs. Had 12 catches and two playoff 237 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,760 games. Actually ran more routes than 238 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:53,240 Kirk in the playoffs. So he was getting used even more 239 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,040 late when the Jaguars are starting to come on some 240 00:11:56,040 --> 00:12:00,520 potential at least for a second team breakout which we've seen 241 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:02,200 with tight ends. We saw with Eric Ebon, we saw 242 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,840 Greg Olsen if you go way back, but I don't I I I kind of agree 243 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:07,720 with you Pat, that he doesn't really have the talent. 244 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,560 I just felt like the floor here on a very concentrated routes 245 00:12:10,560 --> 00:12:13,600 based offensive floor for routes, the floor for receptions 246 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,440 and tight end premium was all going to be pretty solid and 247 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:18,840 help our build in a way that like Okay, we've at least 248 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,120 checked that box and now we don't have pressure to hit. 249 00:12:21,620 --> 00:12:24,740 Lay around QB, lay around tight end and 0RB and all these, you 250 00:12:24,740 --> 00:12:27,140 know, coming rounds. Yeah. 251 00:12:27,140 --> 00:12:30,580 And I my thing with with Addison partly it's that like you know 252 00:12:30,580 --> 00:12:33,220 this is a so it's different environment. 253 00:12:33,300 --> 00:12:37,860 You know in terms of the overall like meta fantasy landscape of 254 00:12:37,860 --> 00:12:40,220 where wider Sears are being drafted compared to years past. 255 00:12:40,460 --> 00:12:42,740 But if you just look at this draft room like Jackson, Smith 256 00:12:42,740 --> 00:12:46,980 and Jippo went mid 6th, Quinton Johnson went 705 and we had a 257 00:12:46,980 --> 00:12:49,020 chance to take Jordan Addison at the 802. 258 00:12:49,530 --> 00:12:52,570 When he is a very, very strong prospect and early to clear, 259 00:12:52,570 --> 00:12:57,090 highly productive, really checks all the boxes except that he 260 00:12:57,090 --> 00:12:59,690 lands with Justin Jefferson. So he's not going to, you know, 261 00:12:59,690 --> 00:13:01,410 have this massive, massive breakout. 262 00:13:01,410 --> 00:13:05,650 But down the stretch he could still be very productive in an 263 00:13:05,650 --> 00:13:07,650 offense that I think could be very explosive. 264 00:13:08,690 --> 00:13:11,290 And I like the way he layers into this this room. 265 00:13:11,290 --> 00:13:13,250 Like if you're going to take a 7th wide receiver, be really 266 00:13:13,250 --> 00:13:17,450 nice if he were a first round pick who we all expect to be 267 00:13:17,450 --> 00:13:19,070 good. You know, on an offense it's 268 00:13:19,070 --> 00:13:21,230 going to throw the ball like that's a great way to kind of 269 00:13:21,230 --> 00:13:23,510 get that that 7th wide receiver in there. 270 00:13:23,910 --> 00:13:27,430 And so I agree with you that Engram is kind of a floor play 271 00:13:27,910 --> 00:13:31,030 and it just felt like man, but we have a real legit ceiling 272 00:13:31,030 --> 00:13:33,190 play here. You know, again, he's not like 273 00:13:33,190 --> 00:13:35,990 the purest. You know, the Quinton Johnson 274 00:13:35,990 --> 00:13:39,550 would have been an easier sell in that regard, but I do think 275 00:13:39,550 --> 00:13:42,990 he he provides a really nice late season ceiling, which is 276 00:13:42,990 --> 00:13:45,790 kind of exactly what I want in the wide receiver seven in the 277 00:13:45,790 --> 00:13:48,480 spot, so. And then with Ingram, I just 278 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,320 have a lot of concern about about him. 279 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:57,040 I noted that his, his percentage of routes run out wide was a 280 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:01,640 career high last year at 23%. I think that's the thing when 281 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:03,800 you look at the difference between what Ridley and Marvin 282 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:07,840 Jones bring, that could really hurt because Marvin Jones only 283 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,640 had a route rate of 76% last year. 284 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:14,320 Ridley's probably going to be where Kirk and Zay Jones were 285 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:19,570 last year, up around 95%. And so does Kirk or Ze Jones 286 00:14:19,570 --> 00:14:24,050 fall to that 76%, or do you use your tight end out wide a little 287 00:14:24,050 --> 00:14:28,370 less, and he actually sees a lower route rate than he had 288 00:14:28,370 --> 00:14:30,410 last year? I think that's more likely of 289 00:14:30,410 --> 00:14:32,250 the two. And then it comes down to like, 290 00:14:32,250 --> 00:14:33,850 all right, well, how good is this dude? 291 00:14:34,570 --> 00:14:37,410 And if you look at open score for like, his entire career, 292 00:14:37,410 --> 00:14:38,770 he's never been impressive there. 293 00:14:38,970 --> 00:14:41,930 He was tight in 23 in that metric last year. 294 00:14:42,330 --> 00:14:46,610 He drew targets at an 18 percent, 18 1/2 target per route 295 00:14:46,610 --> 00:14:48,810 run. Which is an improvement from an 296 00:14:48,810 --> 00:14:53,890 abysmal 2020-2021 season. He's been more before that 297 00:14:53,890 --> 00:14:55,570 horrible season, which was like 12%. 298 00:14:56,090 --> 00:14:59,370 He was more between like 20 and 22%. 299 00:14:59,650 --> 00:15:03,010 So he, you know, before the the disastrous ending to the Giants 300 00:15:03,010 --> 00:15:06,170 season he'd he'd shown to the Giants tenure, he'd shown an 301 00:15:06,170 --> 00:15:07,850 ability to draw targets at a decent rate. 302 00:15:07,850 --> 00:15:10,010 But he's never been dominant in that regard. 303 00:15:10,170 --> 00:15:13,810 He's never rated well, particularly well getting open I 304 00:15:13,810 --> 00:15:15,450 think. The addition of Ridley could 305 00:15:15,450 --> 00:15:17,770 create kind of a spread out target environment here. 306 00:15:19,010 --> 00:15:20,730 So that's just that was my thing with Ingram. 307 00:15:20,730 --> 00:15:23,970 I feel like you can kind of arbitrage Ingram a little bit 308 00:15:25,450 --> 00:15:29,650 and if we're shooting for floor, I want to do it at the next turn 309 00:15:29,730 --> 00:15:32,290 like I'm like, hey, it's the eighth round, there's a first 310 00:15:32,290 --> 00:15:35,490 round wide receiver who I like his profile, let's grab one last 311 00:15:35,530 --> 00:15:37,500 upside ticket. Yeah. 312 00:15:37,500 --> 00:15:40,380 That I think, was a pretty compelling case, especially 313 00:15:40,380 --> 00:15:43,340 Addison just relative to the other receivers off the board 314 00:15:43,340 --> 00:15:46,260 and at this cost. And I thought back as we were 315 00:15:46,260 --> 00:15:48,580 talking through it to something Pete mentioned while we were on 316 00:15:48,580 --> 00:15:51,100 the 1/2 turn, that we're kind of making a decision here. 317 00:15:51,780 --> 00:15:53,780 And we've talked about this before, Jonathan Taylor went 318 00:15:53,780 --> 00:15:56,020 109, but we're talking about Taylor at the 1-2 turn. 319 00:15:56,260 --> 00:15:58,460 Obviously kind of glad that we don't have him at this point 320 00:15:58,460 --> 00:16:00,020 because we don't really know if this guy's even going to be 321 00:16:00,020 --> 00:16:04,220 playing, but we kind of made the decision at 1/2. 322 00:16:04,790 --> 00:16:09,230 Made the decision at 3-4 about, you know what we would like in 323 00:16:09,230 --> 00:16:11,150 this spot, Addison versus Ingram. 324 00:16:11,390 --> 00:16:12,830 Addison's obviously the better profile. 325 00:16:12,830 --> 00:16:15,590 I'm just talking about structural decisions that I 326 00:16:15,590 --> 00:16:19,270 would be way more in on Addison if we had taken a running back 327 00:16:19,270 --> 00:16:22,310 at 1-2, for example, or a tight end at 1-2 if we'd taken Mark 328 00:16:22,310 --> 00:16:24,310 Andrews, which Pat you wanted to do at that time. 329 00:16:25,550 --> 00:16:27,390 I think I would have been way more in on Addison that. 330 00:16:27,630 --> 00:16:29,670 Did help me, I would have been landfalling to us. 331 00:16:29,670 --> 00:16:32,830 Made that really hard to, yeah. Sure, yeah. 332 00:16:33,710 --> 00:16:37,190 I I agree completely with Ben. Like my concerns are not with 333 00:16:37,190 --> 00:16:40,510 the Addison pick, dare I say in a vacuum, but just strictly 334 00:16:40,510 --> 00:16:42,950 structurally. But we kind of made that choice 335 00:16:42,950 --> 00:16:44,950 early on. And I think one thing I'm 336 00:16:44,950 --> 00:16:48,390 realizing from doing this first FFPC main event is like, this is 337 00:16:48,390 --> 00:16:52,870 a tricky side of the board as it pertains to the onesie positions 338 00:16:52,950 --> 00:16:55,350 because a lot of those guys, both quarterback and tight ends, 339 00:16:55,350 --> 00:16:58,150 are not coming back to you. And then you're having to reach 340 00:16:58,230 --> 00:17:01,830 ahead of their ADP if you want to prioritize them for 341 00:17:01,830 --> 00:17:04,470 structural reasons. And we see that happen with both 342 00:17:04,470 --> 00:17:07,310 Herbert and Fields almost coming back to us, but not Friarmuth 343 00:17:07,470 --> 00:17:09,790 not coming back. And then those other positions 344 00:17:09,790 --> 00:17:12,349 like you have to take those guys early, like you have to take 345 00:17:12,349 --> 00:17:15,109 Josh Allen in the second round if you want him from the 346 00:17:15,109 --> 00:17:17,510 backside of the board. You have to take Andrews early, 347 00:17:17,510 --> 00:17:19,829 Kittle pits early if you want those guys. 348 00:17:19,829 --> 00:17:23,579 And so I do think. We are making the best decisions 349 00:17:23,579 --> 00:17:24,980 for this team in this draft slot. 350 00:17:24,980 --> 00:17:27,220 And one other thing I'll say about Addison and I had 351 00:17:27,220 --> 00:17:30,020 mentioned at the top of the show like I do care about the playoff 352 00:17:30,020 --> 00:17:32,620 Sprint. In this format, the Vikings have 353 00:17:32,860 --> 00:17:36,130 the best schedule. For the playoffs, they're at 354 00:17:36,130 --> 00:17:38,930 Cincinnati week 15 and they have two back-to-back Dome games. 355 00:17:38,970 --> 00:17:41,570 At home verse Detroit. At home verse Green Bay. 356 00:17:41,730 --> 00:17:44,690 They have the fifth highest average projected team, total 357 00:17:44,690 --> 00:17:46,810 weeks 15 through 17 of all the teams. 358 00:17:46,810 --> 00:17:49,330 Higher than the Chargers, higher than all these other teams with 359 00:17:49,330 --> 00:17:53,130 prolific offenses because it is schedule aided by these Dome 360 00:17:53,130 --> 00:17:55,610 games in these matchups. And so having a share of a 361 00:17:55,610 --> 00:17:58,170 really talented first round rookie with the nut playoff 362 00:17:58,170 --> 00:18:04,260 schedule is is exciting to me. Yeah, I'm glad you guys came 363 00:18:04,260 --> 00:18:07,220 around. I capitulated on on Brandon Iuk 364 00:18:07,500 --> 00:18:10,700 and at at the fifth round. I capitulated on Deontay Johnson 365 00:18:11,220 --> 00:18:14,060 in the sixth round and then I immediately took those chips and 366 00:18:14,060 --> 00:18:16,420 cashed him in and said we're not taking Evan and go. 367 00:18:18,780 --> 00:18:22,020 When you look at where Jordan Addison goes relative to these 368 00:18:22,020 --> 00:18:24,620 other guys, I mean, Jordan Addison goes what, like 3 rounds 369 00:18:24,620 --> 00:18:27,980 ahead of Michael Thomas on on underdog most times? 370 00:18:27,980 --> 00:18:30,940 Like, it is pretty insane, the price you're getting on him 371 00:18:31,060 --> 00:18:34,240 relative to the other players. You guys got me really excited 372 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:37,280 on Addison, for sure, especially now Pete. 373 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,480 That was another really great point that hadn't been brought 374 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,680 up earlier, but I didn't know that yet. 375 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,560 That Minnesota team totals in weeks 15 to 17. 376 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:46,120 Just fantastic. No there. 377 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:52,200 It does make me wish that we had taken one last receiver in the 378 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,040 first six rounds. I don't know exactly where, but 379 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:57,240 like in a perfect 50 or 2020 hindsight you know way. 380 00:18:57,820 --> 00:18:59,780 And just sort of thinking through this being our first 381 00:18:59,780 --> 00:19:02,260 draft and whether or not we have the room to make those early 382 00:19:02,260 --> 00:19:05,060 detours and to to take anchors in other positions, I think we 383 00:19:05,060 --> 00:19:07,340 do. I think that type of a pick 384 00:19:07,340 --> 00:19:10,460 right there with Addison. I don't think we needed a 7th 385 00:19:10,460 --> 00:19:12,580 receiver at this point. And I do think when we get to 386 00:19:12,580 --> 00:19:15,060 around 1415 and we look back, we're going to have to be 387 00:19:15,060 --> 00:19:17,580 telling ourselves a story on the upside of our tight end build, 388 00:19:17,580 --> 00:19:19,540 on the story on the upside of our QB build. 389 00:19:19,860 --> 00:19:21,540 It's going to be a little bit tricky. 390 00:19:21,540 --> 00:19:23,540 I think we're going to like our team, I feel. 391 00:19:25,180 --> 00:19:28,940 I think we're going to like our team, but I I do I worry about 392 00:19:28,940 --> 00:19:31,900 the early season points in an 11 week regular season and how 393 00:19:31,900 --> 00:19:36,700 we're going to be able to realize the upside of this wide 394 00:19:36,700 --> 00:19:38,660 receiver room, which is incredibly high. 395 00:19:39,580 --> 00:19:42,020 I think, I mean that's a that's an obvious counter to this type 396 00:19:42,020 --> 00:19:43,940 of building that's been floated for years. 397 00:19:43,980 --> 00:19:47,020 I do think it is a little bit trickier in 2023. 398 00:19:48,540 --> 00:19:50,740 We'll see, yeah, we'll have to see how the the running better, 399 00:19:50,940 --> 00:19:53,700 but I like about it is that I think we can layer. 400 00:19:54,030 --> 00:19:56,470 Pretty easily. Like the tight ends, the running 401 00:19:56,470 --> 00:19:59,310 backs and the quarterbacks obviously like that's we're 402 00:19:59,310 --> 00:20:01,030 basically done in wide receiver now. 403 00:20:01,030 --> 00:20:03,310 So that's all the rest of our draft. 404 00:20:03,310 --> 00:20:06,950 But like they layer a little bit, like when you look at the 405 00:20:06,950 --> 00:20:11,590 guys we like, it's sort of like they're not all in, you know 406 00:20:11,590 --> 00:20:14,470 around 11:12. It's not like that turn is where 407 00:20:14,470 --> 00:20:17,630 everyone we want is, for example, you know, so I think 408 00:20:17,630 --> 00:20:21,110 we'll be able to get guys we're going to have to make some tough 409 00:20:21,110 --> 00:20:23,310 decisions, but I think we can kind of map it out. 410 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,520 And end up feeling like pretty excited about those three 411 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,840 positions because and we're have to tack it with volume, even 412 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,520 quarterback will probably end up with at least two. 413 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:38,240 You could talk me into three, but there's there's upside 414 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:42,760 available like the it's really when I look at some of the ways 415 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:44,800 we can build this out, it's really like you're taking on 416 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:48,400 risk, but it's not necessarily like you're giving up upside at 417 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,190 these three positions. I mean, look at only 8 418 00:20:51,190 --> 00:20:52,510 quarterbacks are off the board right now. 419 00:20:52,510 --> 00:20:55,470 Trevor Lawrence was the last quarterback to go at 6:10. 420 00:20:55,470 --> 00:21:00,310 We've gone almost over 2 full rounds with no other quarterback 421 00:21:00,630 --> 00:21:03,270 selections. Even Ingram slides here, which 422 00:21:03,270 --> 00:21:05,150 is a bit of a validation to pass point. 423 00:21:05,150 --> 00:21:08,310 I thought he was going to get snap picked up in this format, 424 00:21:08,310 --> 00:21:12,070 like directly behind us and he slides all the way to the end of 425 00:21:12,070 --> 00:21:13,590 the 8th. And David, the joke who comes 426 00:21:13,590 --> 00:21:15,640 off the board? Right after, thank goodness for 427 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,080 James Connor because I was able to point that he was the the 428 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:22,800 bigger ADP value. So it's like, yeah, but none of 429 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,680 us wanted James Connor. But I was like, if you're really 430 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,080 a DP Bros, we should take Connor. 431 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,560 He just feels like a wasted pick in this format, too. 432 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:31,640 And you want to go look at like team total stuff for the 433 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,680 playoffs. It's like you're getting docked 434 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,120 on Connor on both sides. Like when you do have the 435 00:21:37,120 --> 00:21:40,040 projectable volume for him at the start of the season, Kyler's 436 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:41,840 not going to be playing. They're going to be one of the 437 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:45,120 worst offenses in the league. And then when Kyler comes back, 438 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,360 if, if that happens, they have the worst projected team total. 439 00:21:48,360 --> 00:21:51,520 They're averaging 15 points per game weeks, 15 to 17. 440 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,320 You got to think they're auditioning other spots in the 441 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:55,160 line up there. I just. 442 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,880 I do not like James Connor. Unless you're getting a mega 443 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,240 mega discount. Yeah, no, I think that was. 444 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,960 I think I said I was the one who floated him, just cuz as an ADP 445 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:04,760 value. Yeah. 446 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,640 And I think I said later that I was embarrassed that I even 447 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:16,160 mentioned him in our check. But I do think it's interesting 448 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,390 that. It does feel tricky like we're 449 00:22:18,390 --> 00:22:20,870 backed into a corner with what we need to do and yet to pass 450 00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:22,110 point. I do think we're going to have 451 00:22:22,110 --> 00:22:24,830 tons of options. When you look, the one spot I 452 00:22:24,830 --> 00:22:27,350 think will probably be a little aggressive here is probably 453 00:22:27,350 --> 00:22:31,430 running backs just making sure knowing like a lot of the upside 454 00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:33,670 candidates can get gobbled up quickly. 455 00:22:33,670 --> 00:22:35,590 But I don't know. I think we're going to be fine 456 00:22:35,590 --> 00:22:36,830 at quarterback and and tight end. 457 00:22:36,830 --> 00:22:37,870 I think we're going to make it work. 458 00:22:39,790 --> 00:22:40,270 I do too. I'm. 459 00:22:40,550 --> 00:22:44,840 Excited to see for sure. All right guys, next time we do 460 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,480 one of these, hopefully we will be officially on the clock. 461 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,400 Like we said, the the weekend dynamics made it hard to get 462 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,720 together there, but we are back in the saddle here, almost 463 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,560 halfway done with this first main event. 464 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,880 Our team to recap through 8 rounds a J. 465 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,080 Brown CD Lam Debo, Samuel, DK Metcalf, Brandon I You, Deontay 466 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:03,720 Johnson, James Cook, Jordan Addison. 467 00:23:04,180 --> 00:23:06,020 The people wanted a true 0RV build. 468 00:23:06,020 --> 00:23:08,060 They want us to reestablish the brand. 469 00:23:08,060 --> 00:23:11,700 We'll hear you guys go 7 wide receivers through 8 rounds. 470 00:23:11,700 --> 00:23:14,220 We'll see you guys next time on the clock.