Penultimate shit, shit cast. Oh geez, shit cast of the 2024
season. That's a hopefully not a
Freudian slip for our picks tonight.
We got Chargers Broncos underway right now.
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our core. We got Steph Miller swinging by
in the third quarter. We also have a surprise BBM
sweat to show you guys that we collectively drafted earlier
this offseason that is made it to the semi finals.
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Good evening. Good evening, Pat and Gretch.
How are we doing? I just had this first sip of
this morgue and made it a little stiff tonight so I don't have
things to come. We had a Gus Edwards catch to
start here. I know we, we, we talked about
Gus, how to play Gus. I told you guys I was like Pat,
you were relaying some of the lines and I was like, I love the
if we do the rush plus the receiving because you only have
two catches all year. One went for one yard, one went
for two yards, and there's like a 5 yard gap.
It's like he's not going to get 5 receiving yards.
He's probably not going to catch a pass.
He gets just like a three yard pass on the first drop right
away, yeah. But then they immediately pull
him off the field. Who is this?
Darius Davis with a little pitch.
Yeah. Interesting usage early though,
because I've been telling you guys I.
Don't know, it must have been. Holding it was on the.
It might have been an illegal formation.
Yeah, hold on, Toss. That's probably what it was.
I was telling you guys that the, the the Chargers have basically
completely given up the run since Jacob Dobbins got hurt and
doesn't necessarily show up in like all the PROE stuff and
everything. But if you look at like their
first half numbers, especially their first couple drives of
every game been super, super pass heavy.
They basically don't trust Edwards and and Vidal and, and
they come out running. I mean, they they run, they
throw a swing to the running back and they run again and then
they punt. So we'll see what happens.
I feel like it's probably still so hard for Harbaugh to
conceptually not be a running team.
He's like, let me try it. Yeah, I'd row it.
Let me, let me just try it. What if it?
Just works the start. Ask him.
He's starting, guys. This is great for.
Our pickums. Yeah.
There you go. So right here up on the screen,
I have the core. We didn't have the the balls to
put estimate in the core. We got Marvin Mims higher than 2
1/2 receptions. Got a little plus money on that.
Gus Edwards lower. They were just talking about
lower 39 1/2 scrimmage yards and then LAD higher than 70.5
receiving yards. But I can pull up in a second.
We have a couple or a slider that involves estimate rushing
yards. That's right.
And I mean the, the the Chargers rushing stuff we were just
talking about. It's interesting because last
week they tied the league low for any team in any game for
rush attempts in the game with only 11-3.
Weeks ago they had a game with 17.
In the last four weeks they had another game that had 20.
I think it was. I was telling you guys all of
those are like body bottom, like 17th percentile points or
whatever bottom 20th percentile, whatever you want to call it
games just in the last four here and the fourth game is only like
24 rush attempts and some of those are like quarterback
attempts too. I mean they've been sub 20
running back attempts three straight weeks.
They've been I think at 11 and two of those three games total
rush attempts for running backs, which is just like it seems like
maybe they're adjusting off of that like we got we got to
establish the run or something. I don't know.
I'm very intrigued by that so far.
Mims in the back, though, that's a pitch.
So we get the early Mims thing. That's the other one that I
mean, we, we've, we've done this for a long time.
You guys are way better at the weekly stuff than I am in, in
terms of, you know, looking like looking through projections,
looking at matchups, looking forward.
Obviously my stuff's a little bit like longer term when I'm,
when I'm working on stealing signals and stuff.
This is the first one for several weeks that I felt like
an underdog, just had something mispriced.
A role's been there for, for five weeks now, Mims has had
this backfield role. He's caught a lot of passes.
He's A2 plus catches for five straight games, 19 targets over
that span, about four per game. Pat, we were going through the
advanced numbers. You were digging up a lot of
stuff. A lot of that's right out of the
backfield alignment or from wide receiver.
Three of those five games he's has negative area yards.
One of the other ones he had five area yards.
The fifth one is that game where he had the deep TD.
Everyone at ship chasing. Obviously he's tracking Marvin
Mims and knows he had the long touchdown a couple weeks ago.
But the other games other than that bomb, it's all been short,
which is really high catch rate stuff.
And so he's getting the targets and you'd expect them to be high
catch rate. They've also given him 10
carries in those five games. So this role's been there for
for five weeks, which when you're talking about like recent
usage, it's not two weeks. You we're usually looking like
last four, last six games. Like this is a real role that
just seemed like it wasn't really priced in.
We we, we get like a free look at it.
It feels like he's been used a lot on screens.
He's been used on out of out of the backfield.
He had four backfield targets that weren't screens.
Whoa. Javonte Williams Oh wow, we we
get Javonte on Thursday night and suddenly looks like a
completely different player than every game that he plays.
It's. Hilarious.
I'll, I'll, I'll also get that pulled up in a little bit.
But just to let you guys know on the we drafted a basketball
mania team on this channel on May 2nd, you know, shortly after
the NFL draft. That is my only advancing
basketball Mania team and it has three players going tonight,
Javonte Williams, Lad Mcconkey and Joshua Palmer.
So we're going to get to sweat some early returns here.
Who's this 25 in the backfield? Watson?
Oh, Blake Watson's back with them on.
Blake Watson Yeah. So I didn't know that that was.
And this is. Burton.
It's Atkins. Was that Atkins?
Wow. You think that Jalil being out
is the the ways that Mims would, would go over to Mims with Jalil
out because they do a lot of the like big back stuff, light back
stuff. But Watson's kind of a problem
for everything. I was just saying Watson's a
problem for our whole, not a whole thesis.
Cause part of us that Mims has had this role even with Jalil
Acton. But but we liked we're like,
Hey, this dude, because Ben, you were talking about the role I
was digging in. I was like, yeah, I see
everything you're talking about. And then we're like, and
Jaleel's out. So that that's a further boost.
And then one of the things I liked about this is that I did
not think the chargers are going to be able to get to Nick's.
He's going to have time to throw and that's good for long stuff
and short stuff, right? It's good because the
interesting thing about Mims backfield role is it's not like
all screens. Some of it's been like wheel
routes and little swing routes and that type of stuff where
it's like it's not necessarily a check down, but it's not like
the get it out quick pass rush is coming.
It's like you kind of he'll even like look at the swing pass,
take another read downfield, then go back to it, that kind of
thing. So it all kind of fit with like
what I thought the game might be like with the Broncos pass
protecting being a quite a bit better than the pass rush
they're facing. The the charters are dead last
in time to pressure. They they they have an OK
pressure rate, but it takes a long time to get there.
So kind of the Knicks has time to throw element is incorporated
in some of these, particularly the Sutton one that we'll get
to. Watson just look good there.
What how did he look in your prospects stuff?
Because I remember Siegel was pretty into him.
I have like I had like best ball exposure to Watson.
I'm sure those teams are dead, but I didn't realize he was up
and active. He was pretty good there.
He might be a problem here, man. He might be the back that that
takes over. Yeah, he's brought this Broncos.
This is like one of those NBA teams that have like an 11 man
rotation right now. Or just like every touch is some
different dude. Right.
The Mims stuff is like, I was talking about a very specific
role. It's not that huge of a role.
So prior to week 10, he only played in the backfield on two
snaps all year. Since then, he's played in the
backfield between 4:00 and 7:00 snaps at all five games, five
games in a row and curious 2 in this game, they just have a
throw to, I'm sure people are like, dude, four to seven snaps.
That's what you're having us bet on.
But that's like 10% of the game, right?
You're talking about 60 snaps in a game roughly.
And it's still not a ton, but it's also a role with him and
with Jaleel, the way that the that particular sort of scat
back role is used, that it's a really high touch per snap role.
When they're on the field, they tend to get the ball, they're
not out there to pass and stuff like that.
And we're trying to get, it's a difference of like one
reception, right? It's like that's just scream to
Watson. That's the play that's supposed
to go to Mims. Oh, man, he has looked awesome
on this drive. But yeah, that was a headshot
and he looked a little wobbled. Watson did not rape particularly
well in my stuff. It's kind of just a flyer type.
I mean, he was undrafted. Let me let me give him some
draft position. Let.
Me say he's like 150. Adjust this.
Yeah, that was a bad hit. It was hard helmet to helmet.
Yeah, and they called unnecessary roughness.
But he, I mean, look, he looks fun and I hope he's fine.
He legitimately wobbled. Wow.
I mean, I think he's going to come out of this game.
I think they're going to have to call down here.
They're going to call down for sure.
Yeah. And then I think he's going to
have to go through concussion testing.
That might not go very well for him because he looked wobbled
when he came up. Yeah.
I mean, White Lancer, the chat. Oh, that's estimate.
Estimate Tuddy. He's on his way, White Lancer
chat said Pickups died because of Blake Watson was not on my
Big O card. Me either.
They are very much dead because of.
Blake Watson, but then he immediately gets a concussion is
a really weird run out Watson, By the way, I I I threw in like
he was drafted around pick 1 to 50.
Like what? What do we think about him now?
Supposed to being undrafted, which kind of kills him on
myself, but he's like same tier. He's like a fourth round rookie
pick type, same tier as Gorendo, Ray Davis, Will Shipley, Isaiah
Davis. So you gave him some draft
capital similar to those guys. He would have looked similar to
those guys. Yeah.
Yeah, a little later, a little later than those guys.
Those guys were like in the one 20s, one 30s.
OK, yeah, there's a little bit there.
There's a little bit there. It's a little, it's a little.
Yeah. He's kind of, let me see what's
driving it. We've got decent elusive rating,
1.10 yards per hour on, but he ran a lot of routes.
Yes. He's back to the dominating
ring, backfield dominated rating was OK, 92% in this final
season. That's pretty good.
Yeah, that was at Memphis. I knew he was at Memphis, but he
played at Old Dominion prior, interestingly.
And then he he finished at Memphis at just one year, his
fifth year. So I don't know if you have age
in there, but that age probably is not going to do.
He's old because he's in there, but it's not like it's not a
huge fact he's 24, 24, because I was going to say Old Dominion
didn't play in 20/20/20. So that was his fifth year, but
his first year was 2018. It was really six years out of
out of high school. In college.
He had an 8.91 Raps. That's that's impressive.
Good athleticism. Yeah, yeah.
I tend to boost, it's mostly boosting the guys who are really
young. It's kind of like once you're,
once you're not young, it doesn't matter that much.
I don't think you know, right? That makes sense and.
The estimate TD is cool, the the Javante would have been very
cool. For the that would have been
great for a sweat. Let me I'll pull up this team
though, so you guys can see it here.
Stop the count, Anchorman. No.
Then we wouldn't even advance. Don't stop the count.
Don't. Stop it.
We just had a terrible League 16.
Baker So this was one of the only teams you know, I named my
teams, put the dates in there, mention the SC team.
This is one of the few teams that got an emoji in the
description. It's a vomit emoji next to
Watson, I thought. It was going to be a good emoji.
No, no, no. So the teams Baker Mayfield,
Drake May and Deshaun Watson are running backs Devon A Chan,
Jalen Warren, Javonte Williams, Chase Brown and Rico Dowdell,
Wide receivers Justin Jefferson, Mike Evans, Tank Dell, Jane
Reed, Ladd Mcconkey, Joshua Palmer, Javon Baker, Jalen
McMillan and then tight ends Mark Andrews.
Kate Otten. The thing I was most bummed
about is it doesn't seems like Kate Otten's on the trending in
the wrong direction for this week, so we might only have one
bullet at tight end. Yeah, I went back and watched.
We didn't want Watson. This is why I think, you know,
obviously you put the the emoji for a number of reasons, but in
this particular draft, I, I went back and watched like when we
were on the clock with in each one and we wanted Herbert, but
we got sniped on him before we took Palmer.
And then we were like deciding between I was like, we could
take Gus and you're like, I think Palmer.
Let's just stack it up without Herbert.
So he took Palmer and then it came.
Then we had we took Jefferson in the first round.
So we wanted McCarthy. We're like, Ah, we could take
Watson, but they were we're all just sitting there in silence.
And then Ben was like, I mean, Watson is a pretty good pick.
And I was like, yes, he is. And I wasn't going to say.
That he said. No, Is that what we did?
We all said nice things about our daughters.
We took. No, that's not I think that was
I think it was after the next one.
We kept drafting it, but then we got sniped on JJ McCarthy, which
we were all tilted about. And then I was like, let's take
Drake, man. So we ended up taking by the
way, first set it up, but we got.
How? How?
Like purely process standpoint, this is semantics and no one
even wants to hear it, but how obviously of a good pick was the
Deshaun Watson? I mean, you see Jameis Winston
go in there, they're throwing a ton.
He used to be mobile and he used to be a really good passer.
If he could have just been anything other than the worst
quarterback basically ever, which is what he was in EPA from
like through whatever week he got hurt week 10 or whatever,
someone was tracking this every week.
He went down as the worst EPA per play quarterback through
like week 10 since 2000. For a long time.
The the person tracking it, I can't remember who it was, one
of our buddies in the industry was tracking it as he's the
worst Browns QB since 2000, which is bad enough.
And he ended up being the worst NFLQB since 2000.
Double S is the worst NFL quarterback.
But like they threw right? They wanted the Ken Dorsey
wanted to throw. They wanted to do this stuff.
Once they got a quarterback in there, they did it all.
And they they had enough talent that the passing game is like
super lucrative when Winston's in there.
As long as he didn't do what he did, Watson should have been a
really good pick. But anyway, it's good.
It's good. McCarthy was a good pick because
I I think that's that's true as well.
Like as well as Arnold's played, McCarthy would have had a
stretch like, I don't know, I mean, maybe maybe he doesn't get
the week one job and then he can't get the job back.
I guess it's possible he never would have really got that much
run, but you know, obviously anyone in that system can can
have success it seems. Like, is this Fidel?
Oh, look at Fidel. Pete wanted to do rushing
ladders on him and I was like, I've been waiting for him to do
that every week. Don't worry, I ran it a bunch
myself. I, I was, I was stoked on Videl
here tonight, but I mean both him and estimate.
But the thing about we'll, we'll get to talk about Watson with
our guest Mark Sessler, noted noted Browns fan.
So I'm sure he'll have some thoughts on that.
He looked really, it's our Browns angle that we have a
Deshaun Watson semi final. Yeah.
That's our angle, yeah. Yeah.
What the Chargers are doing early in this game is shocking
to me. I I wanted to play them to be
pass heavy pretty strongly and they've come out and they're
trying to establish the run against Pat.
You had the the numbers on Denver's Rushdie's really,
really strong. Teams throw against Denver.
They have like the fifth most pass attempts against or fourth
most pass attempts against this year.
Like that huge Jameis Winston game a few weeks ago was against
Denver. Teams don't run on them, they
throw on them. But the Chargers are challenging
that. They do both.
I mean, they're not like a huge, huge pass funnel, right funnel
or anything. They just throw away more.
Like when you look at a past events, this is good.
You're like, oh, they're a run funnel probably and they're not.
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, if they get
behind, they won't have much of A choice.
Right, right. But they've abandoned the run
since Dobbins got hurt 4 weeks ago and they have completely
abandoned the run. So it wasn't just Denver's D, it
was the, you know, the Chargers. So anyway, and then you come
into this matchup and it's like, oh, we're going to, we're going
to run on five of our first seven offensive snaps.
It's it's legitimately shocking to me, surprising to me.
Yeah. They were kind of conservative
against the Chiefs a few weeks ago.
It kind of fluctuate. The way I was reading was like
they they kind of have this. They used to be dedicated to the
run when they had Dobbins. And then after the buy, they
came out. Herbert's also healthier then
and they kind of start going past heavy.
And I remember like the DFS conversation really shifted.
They were like the the Chargers are past first team now and then
they they. Didn't really like.
Is that? Palmer.
Palmer, get in. That would.
Have been nice to that would have been.
Something real nice, I know, because Palmer has to be what?
Like, I mean, we could go through the pot.
I bet we're the only Palmer. I'm sure we're the only Palmer
declined. We got to catch a guy that's
nice. Yeah, yeah.
It would be great if he had a nice spike game here.
I found I have estimated one of my two on my account that
advanced. Nice.
Oh, nice. Yeah, the one I showed you guys
that scored like 200 last week where I was like, yeah, this
team's like not that good though, because that was James
Conner and like Devonta Adams and I'm like, these guys are not
going to score as much as they did.
For real this time. Stop the cow.
Stop. Are we in?
Yeah, we're in. I'm.
I'm down with that. My my estimated one's advancing
too. Fucking Gus.
Sit down buddy. At least we don't have anything
with fantasy points with him. Right, all right, let's see.
We were gonna do attempts under on him.
I was a little worried he might get like a bunch of goal line
work and like a sequence like this.
He's already got, you know, four.
Yeah, the attempts is. Yeah.
I felt bad about the yards because, like, part of it is
part of the reason we thought he might not get the attempts
because he's been so bad. So you're like, all right, well,
then maybe if we're wrong about who they play, we still win
because he's bad, right? Yeah.
At this point, I think you feel good that you have you have you
scored it. They're marking him.
Down oh, I never even saw a ref lifting up oh that guy came out
he. Finally did it'll be interesting
to see if there's an angle on that because it did seem like
the ball was in his right hand as his hip came prime had it
from the top and he he came OK, it seemed like he probably was,
but why is the ball in his right hand?
You know, that's not helpful. I don't know he's down.
You think I, I think on that goal line angle that.
It looked like his arm stretched out because he switched.
He almost switched the ball. Yeah, I think he's in.
I guess I it's hard to tell exactly when his knee hits.
I'm not confirm that. Yeah, that was too.
I I thought his knee was going to come down quicker because
again, the ball's in the right hand.
But I think maybe you're right. He fell forward.
Well, I will say after last week's game, just having two
touchdowns right out of the gate feels feels good.
Yeah, it does, although one of them's from one of like 5 unders
we've taken all year. Yeah, but again, that one yard
doesn't. Yeah, that doesn't.
Matter. Yeah, not.
A not a great start for that under.
Did you guys happen to see the? I never even looked at the
spread or anything on this. This isn't the last week of
stealing signal. So I've been kind of checked out
the last you know, 24 hours since I sent that out.
I was like, yes, made it think about like some of the things
that I haven't been doing and need to get done these last
couple days before Christmas. But I I forgot to do any like
digging into this game for stealing lines basically.
But when we were talking earlier, I was thinking maybe
the over would be interesting. Yeah, it was only 4141 1/2
because we were talking basically that we thought both
sides would would be pretty pass heavy.
Because you thought that about the the Broncos as well, Pat.
I did yeah, they yeah, they seem fairly committed to the pass in
terms of like pass whatever expected and pass rate and
they're just not really running the ball well.
New good team has been good at running the ball.
But anyway, they've been, they've been running it so far.
Yeah, we'll see. I mean, if the Broncos keep
putting up points, then they're going to have to and, and Gus is
not a passing down guy. So I think we, you know, if
you're, if you're baiting Gus Edwards, the first quarter is
going to be the one that feels the worst.
Right. That's true.
I like it sell, sell me on that We we got a 2021 yard cushion
that. Started so I have I advanced one
BBM and got my pot has Gus Edwards come on so.
So does ours. Gus Edwards.
Here's the other thing, Pete, you're saying we have a 21 yard
cushion. Gus already has 6 touches.
We were thinking the under on like, you know, 10:00-ish rush
attempts or essentially touches because he barely catches and he
passes. I mean, is he going to have 20
touches or like like Pat saying, is this going to be like half of
his usage for the whole game? And that's kind of what I think.
I do think they're going to start passing.
But one of the things the, the reason so weird to me is I was
showing you guys, not that you asked, but I was going into like
the, the actual Dr. logs from their last couple games in the
first parts of the game. Like they've come out and been
really pass heavy. And both of their first two
drives, the last two games, like you mentioned that KC game,
their PR, we ended up pretty neutral.
But the first like couple drives, they came out passing
with intent and then they were just like running.
I was joking to like it seemed like to give their receivers a
breather after they would like throw for three straight downs
and then they'd run on 1st and 10 after they got a first and
10. And I, I mean, they did
obviously end up running some throughout that game, but it was
more like in the second-half. I was just kind of a close game
with the Chiefs, but like they came out throwing in that one
too. It's it's odd that they've
started so run heavy, but I do think they're going to shift to
the pass. I think they'll shift, yeah.
Estimate looks pretty good, don't he?
Yeah, like does I'm excited about this BBM team if he can go
on like he already has 8.4 or no?
Sorry, he has 7.2. I have necks on this team too,
but if he can go out and put up freaking 20 points that'd be
pretty sweet. All right, we also have pick him
with a Sutton TD. Is that a Javante catch?
That was a Javante play for sure.
Catches up on the lightest screen. 1 yard fumbles.
Man. Dude he has in the last like 5
weeks he has three games with under 10 total yards even though
he plays like 50% of the snap. Yeah.
Both of these teams, like their run games, are in very similar
spots. Yeah, exactly.
It's not good. It's not a good spot.
And then asking. Jaleel are the comps together
Fidel and Esteve the. Comp.
Oh, that was Troy. Oh, I skipped it.
So that's the other part of the Mims bet is he does get some
targets downfield. Still.
It's not a ton. We're talking about the sort of
rotational stuff of this team. And so you bet on Mims to go
over a certain number of receptions.
He's not he's not maybe even going to run 50% of the routes
in this game. You're really expecting it to be
those like throws with intent out of the backfield and wide
receiver screens, the stuff that's been happening over the
last five or six weeks every week.
But he still will run a couple routes downfield.
It'd be nice if he caught a, you know, a downfield pass.
That would be really helpful. He's on.
He's split out here motioning here motioning.
There he is there. Oh, I thought.
He was on there. There's the Russian.
He was tough, yeah. We haven't seen that.
Yeah, I liked his scrambling here because he would have time
to throw and a lot of his a lot of his scrambles have been from
a clean pocket or when pressure was late.
So again with that late time to pressure, I was like, oh, you
got it here. You'd say what?
He's clean yet Mims was so open. The pocket just broke down so
quick that he just stepped up and ran.
That's the like high catch rate stuff we're talking about.
Or if he swings out to Mims like it, that's the part of it where
I felt like the models maybe are missing it.
They're like, well, a wide receiver with an 85% catch rate
over these last five weeks, that's unsustainable.
But you're like, no, when you really dig into where the
targets are coming, these are 85% catch rate targets.
I mean, that's that's what they are.
That's a nice vision by estimate there.
It is, yeah. He looks good.
He's the 1:00 we, we ended up playing the ladders and Pete,
you said you, you came in this mourning and like both vital and
and estimate and I, I thought those were both really fun.
I, I was basically like, I don't want to sweat Vital again
because I've been telling people all year to to pick him up and
stash him over at signals and everything and watching him
waiting. For something running out of
runway for for these because I mean, I will say though, the
past couple of weeks have been talk about a cascading, you
know, windfall for for zero RB drafters.
We just get the news today about Camara opening up, Kendra
Miller, potentially like lots of guys coming out of nowhere here.
Is he officially going to going to sit?
The report made it seem incredibly.
Helpful for Camara, Yeah. Yeah, Watson is already back,
though. It's not just the Camara got
hurt too, it's that they fired the guy who hates Kendra Miller.
I didn't have that much Kendra Miller, but it's still like
amazing. Like the run out for Miller is
so. Good.
You know he's. And then the first day after
they fired that guy, the new coach is like, we wish he wasn't
on IR. Why did he get on?
IRS the lacked act, last act of defiance of Dennis Allen.
He was like no, we're putting Kendrick Miller on IR on like
Saturday night before the game. Then they get their butt beat on
Sunday. He gets fired on Monday and he
was just like I'm sick of him getting hurt.
I'm putting him on IR right before this game and then he's
fired two days later. It's so bad, but he's healthy
now. He's healthy now and Camara
isn't, so it's a kind of amazing for the 0 running back stuff.
But yeah, I had a really fun FFPC team with Draco that had
Kendra on it as a, you know, a long shot element to it that had
a shot to advance on Monday night this week.
Just needed more from either Bijan or Bowers or even
potentially Pitts. That was a Falcon stack and all
those guys were well below. I mean, Pitts actually probably
hit his expectation, but it's not like he had a good game.
Bowers and and Bijon was Bijon was like like 14 or 15 PPR
points, but he'd been over 20 in like 7 of eight games, you know,
and he needed twenty lost by a few points from advancing.
But that would have been a that team has like or had it's dead
now. Had Bucky and and Chase Brown
and Bijon and and also had Kendre had lad, had Brian Thomas
Lamar team had Bowers, had Trey McBride.
Such a fun team. I'm sad about it.
The Monday night was just was so brutal like it basically if you
needed anything like. I had Bowers in a in A555 with
me and Eric buying for competing for the last two spots.
He had Aaron Jones, I had Bowers.
He got in. Bowers didn't.
Do. Shit, even if you had Jefferson
and it's like you get the one score but then you watch him
drop what would have been another touchdown.
And he was like. Come on, look who it is.
We got our rain. Check our guests.
Hello, Mark Sessler. Give the call.
How we doing Mark? You know, like the last time I,
I, I'm gonna tell you something about how sound systems work.
Like the last time I have an earpiece in right.
And I'd had it since Corona, like way back COVID and on.
This is the most embarrassing story, but the reason it did not
work last time. And I, I had, I, I, I bought a
whole and entire new sound system for lots of money because
there was ear wax. Stuck in it.
Oh. No, I'm just telling you that so
like what a what an what an what an annoyance that it happened
not and this was meant to be Bengals Browns, but it's this
game instead. But what a I'm happy to be with
here with you tonight. Yeah, no, we're we're happy to
have you. Yeah, we slumped.
It didn't work out last time. And yeah, it, you know, our
thematic tie insurance for the guests, they tend to get like
looser and looser as the season goes on.
So it's, well, completely OK. So the the the tie in at this
point is this was originally scheduled to be a Browns game I
guess. It was that's.
The tie in? Yep.
Well, I will say at least I worked.
I worked literally about 14 feet away from Sofi Stadium for years
for a number. For a number of years I count.
There we go. That's a tie in, right?
And this is a tie. Yeah.
The and where are you at with your Browns fandom?
Is it kind of like, because when we had Dan on, he basically
described his relationship with The Jets as like a Gwyneth
Paltrow conscious uncoupling where they were kinded together
but not really together. And he kind of made it sound
like that's similar to your relationship with the Browns.
Wow. Yeah.
Like, I don't like that he took Gwyneth because I'm of the age
where Gwyneth was like kind of a thing to me back then.
Now she's not. Now she's doing her goop and
she's sort of annoying. But like I, the Browns have
pounded me into submission to the point where, like, I have no
feelings. Does that.
Make sense? It's like, it's like.
I kind of don't care what you do.
And it's like you might get a new quarterback, a new coach, a
new GM. We'll see if it's like you've
done enough. You've hurt me so long.
And like, I think we're in a world and we're like, we wake up
into new worlds of awareness where it's like, oh, I've been
like everyone. I've I have been in the the the
abusive relationship for since 1986.
Oh my God. And what have you brought me
like it is the answer is nothing.
That's the definitive answer. You brought me nothing.
So like I want to keep going but.
What is like the the highlight of of the Browns?
Well, I mean literally nothing for some of those years.
They were gone for what, 30 or 4 years of those years?
The highlight might have been when they were gone.
Because I I went, I would. Go to sports bars.
Well, I'd go to sports bars and that was like Brett Favre's I
think 2 MVP campaigns and like, I became kind of a Brett Favre
guide way back when, during that time.
But the Browns, when they win little tiny prime time games
like that helps, you know, But I think in the early, in the mid,
in the mid like 1980s, like they to me were fascinating with
wonderful characters and Marty Schottenheimer and I believed in
them. And, you know, I knew the names
of all the players, wives and everything like.
And now it's, but it's become more dull and more distant.
Yeah. Because like, I, I feel like
that I don't, I don't want to speak for everyone.
There's still certainly lots of people in the fantasy community
who have their teams they root for.
But for me, it's like beating the fandom out of me.
I grew up a Denver fan, but like covering the NFL, does it?
Did it do the same thing because you're following all the stories
or did that that journalist side still allow you to kind of have
that fandom? Well, you know, it's like
talking to Dan. Like, you know, like our show,
we kind of were like, if we're going to do this, like we've got
to be like you guys, like we're going to like be who we're into
and be real and like not we're we're not NBC News.
This is not Tom Brokaw. So like I always was open with
my brown. I think it was very affected and
very wild and very open in the like the large portion of our
previous show at NFL Network. And like, it didn't take my
fandom away. It didn't it made me it it, I
felt closer to it. But then the Browns, though,
they're just like pounding you overhead with a baseball bat.
So they they took it away. You know, it's hard to follow a
team that can't make the right decisions.
I think they've been a little bit better actually.
And obviously in recent years, like Stefanski's a good coach
and all that stuff. But you know, like the like
Deshaun Watson, that changed a lot.
Did that change? Did that change it like the
experience of kind of being a Browns fan?
I like, I'm gonna be real like not in like a woke way where
like I can't handle this cause like I think we've got players
in all these teams, right? But like he was, I wanted him if
anything to say I understand why people feel the way they feel
about me. And like, here's where I'm at
and here's here's my plan to grow.
Not that, you know, I could tell that to people too.
That would be nice. They would like to but like but
yes, I think it it it seemed like the most ridiculous out of
pocket move by a team that felt desperate and they they and
they've never really connected with the fan base off of that
decision. I think they this is you're a
Broncos. We've got like we like the
Browns fans have been there forever.
Like you don't move to another city, marry a woman, have kids
and then fall in love with like the like, like the New Orleans,
like you stay a Browns fan. And like, I think that I think
that they really did Browns fans wrong.
They put them in a tough spot and they put me in a tough spot.
Also, when we have to talk about this stuff, it's like I'm not
here to support Deshaun Watson and whatever it is he did.
I I don't I'm not the FBI. I don't know what he did, but
like, it's yeah, it was it was a rough it it was a rough
situation with no real healing. And they've never the Browns too
have never really, I thought felt responsible about like we
understand this is tough for, you know, children, girls, boys,
men, wives, aunts, uncles, fat aunts, fat uncles, like everyone
like we don't know. And like they never, they never.
It was just sort of like this sort of distilled, silent, icy
move. And so I never it's.
Kind of the worst part of fan where like they're like you root
for this guy now enjoy that. Yeah, exactly.
It's well said because it's like, I think it's split that
you had these like Bros that were like, if you don't just if
you don't support him, you're not a real fan.
It's like, well, I'm, I'm sorry, like I've read a newspaper.
So I'm excited about like this situation, but you know, that's
how it works. Sorry for reading.
One newspaper off when, like the fans of the other 31 teams are
all basically rooting, you know, against him and the Browns and
all of that. I mean, that's got to be kinda
hard too. You're like, I mean, it's
everything you said. It resonates where you're like,
I mean, it's not my choice. And I don't know what he
actually did. And it's kind of just thrust
upon me as a fan. But everyone else on the outside
is like, well, yeah, we kind of just want the Browns to get
their karma. And it's, there's been a lot of,
you know, schodenfreude or whatever from that.
That is the perfect comment. That is the perfect comment
because I think the one thing that the Cleveland Browns had,
and there's a couple teams like this, you know, the Chicago Cubs
in in sports where it's like we get that you suck, but we kind
of root for you because you're the people's team.
And we don't and we go through hard times, like we suck
sometimes. But the Browns do too.
And like if they were to survive and win and win a playoff game
like they did with Baker Mayfield against the Steelers,
like kind of America and kind of the world can get behind that.
And like what it turned it into was like you're you suck, but
you also did the most evil thing, like even Darth Vader
like turn cool at the end, right?
Like he was like, I'm sorry, like I'm your dad.
I kind of love you. Like this was a bit of a, this
was a bit of an act, bit of an act like went through a lot of
drama here, but. Like the whole helmet thing, I
took it a little too far. Yeah, exactly.
Like, I'm sorry, now I'm pale and I look ridiculous, but like
it's like the Browns like seem to have no morals at this point.
And I and I do think that Kevin Stefanski does, for instance.
And it's like, I'm confused because it's like, I think
Andrew Berry does like the GM and it's like what happened here
and who's in charge and like how no one's explained it to anyone.
And it's the lack of we've all any relationship.
Like the lack of communication creates distress, creates mind
games. And like the Browns have not
communicated well with anyone. And I think that's bad for a
team. It's a bad, it's a bad move for
a sports team. That's super interesting because
that's the perception I've gotten always from Stefanski and
Barry too. It's like, individually they
seem like great people, but then, Yep, they've been very
much like falling in line and fully in support of something
that you're like, well, did I miss something?
You know, that am I? Yeah.
I mean, what I I mean, I remember reading at the time
Stefanski was like, showing plays on the iPad and kind of
convincing Watson he'd be a great fit for the system.
So it seemed like there wasn't any twisting of the arm there.
He seemed pretty pretty into it. Into your point too, of just
like not playing the fan base as fools, Like we live in a media
era where if you're authentic and you say the quiet part out
loud and you just call it out like they respect you.
If you just own your L, people will respect you so much more.
If you're like, hey, we messed up.
It's a tough spot. Like it's almost a simple PR
playbook. And they just decided to just,
you know, just shut up and be like, all right, here's Jameis
Winston and now here's DTR. Just deal with it.
I, I think you're so right like it, they could have solved this
2 summers ago and or at least started to heal it, but it would
have it, it also would have required Deshaun Watson, the
person who I don't think is capable of this.
I think that's, this is part of the problem.
It's like you were good at football at, what, four years
ago at this point, 4 1/2. Years.
Five years, Like four years ago. Yeah.
And as a person, we we have detected and information and
resources have told us that you're not a.
I'm not just saying not a good person, I don't, I'm not trying
to be judgmental, but like you've done things that don't
work in the framework of our society and we've got to try to
figure out a way to like make you marketable or or like help
you heal and change and grow. I'm always big.
I'd be bad. I'd be fine with that.
Not just in this case, it's a little exorbitant, but like
change, grow and we work with you.
But like none of that's been done by the team, by the player
and like, and that and that's what's sort of sad about like
even what happened with Jameis Winston to get benched.
It's like he he, I get that he was not a perfect individual
either, but like he also came in as a hot PR candidate with like
incredible quotes that came out of like the Old Testament and.
Abby Jameis is pawn man. He's no endearing, yeah.
Yeah, I I always root for Jameis.
I do too. No, I'm with you too.
Like, I like that was like all these teams, all these teams
were human beings. So it's like, I want to forgive,
you know, but like for him to meltdown and now he's gone too.
It's like this team for me just feels out of you're out of
moves, you're out of moves. We've all been there.
You're out of moves. Like you got to go disappear
into the wilderness. Nick Chubb was another really
fun, positive thing when he comes back, and now he's.
Out that right. I think that's the point you're
you're making about like kind of the America rallying around the,
the Lions are kind they they really prove that point that
that's sort of the energy that you're, you're talking the
potential, right? Like as downtrodden team, you
kind of build it up, you kind of you, you get the cast off
quarterback, you know that no one wants that.
No one thinks it's going to be good.
And you kind of turn them into something you you build around
them. It could.
I mean, that's like the the dream, you know?
Yeah. Really interesting discussion of
like culture here where because didn't Amari Cooper have a
little bit of a quote after he got traded about like he just
wasn't real happy with I. I thought I saw something where
he just basically wasn't enjoying playing with Deshaun
Watson basically. I I what I heard from one person
who I trust very much was that the way that we feel about that
quarterback and that whole experience it, we're all like,
they don't feel that differently.
They felt the same way. And I think that if anything,
Jameis for his, you know, foibles on the field, like kind
of lifted them up and it's, it's always like anyone but him.
And yeah, you know what I mean? It was anyone but him and the
Nick. James plays with like a little
too much confidence on the field.
Well, sure. Sure.
And I feel like that. He's just like.
He just can't.
It's like, oh, are you my friend on edibles at the dance club and
it we're all 21, like I love, I love you and you're going to do
incredible things, but you're going to do things that we're
all going to have to answer for And like I but I would take that
over not I wouldn't take it forever, but.
Like he's got some bar fetched business ideas, you know, Yes.
He does. Yes, he does.
I mean, they were more fun with him.
Like there was this like two week period where I think Browns
fans felt brought back into. We've all rooted for teams that
suck. It's like can like I'm giving
you hours of my life, of my thought period, of my time, my
money. It's not even money.
It's just like my investment. And in return you give me
nothing. Like if, like I've always said,
if it were a girl and now I've fallen into this trap, you know,
in my youth too. But like, it's like I'd be out
of here in 2 minutes. But somehow the Browns have kept
me in this marriage for, you know, 40 plus years, which is
that speaks to me as much as anyone else.
So I am I am the one that the press should come.
Out look inward loyalty. Model.
Yeah, exactly. Loyalty.
Yeah, that's. That's what it.
Says is it loyalty or is it? Does it become something?
Am I dim? I could be dim.
So the the the other funny tie in mark with the Browns is so,
you know, underdogs. Big flagship tournament best
ball mania $1.5 million prize. Pat Crane here has won this
tournament before. Where?
He won $1.5 million. Two.
Was actually. More than that was actually. 2
million. Just to be more, yeah.
This guy, well. Yeah, and he's still what is
this show? Can you believe that?
Why are you still? Yeah, exactly.
Why you're not a, You should be a like.
Ibiza at this point. Just he's like a Browns fan.
He has Stockholm syndrome. He doesn't know what else to do
but to show up. So we collectively draft a
couple teams, you know, on this stream throughout the summer.
And one of our teams that we drafted on May 2nd, like right
after the NFL draft is in the semi finals right now.
And it has Deshaun Watson on it. And it it we we don't know how
it happened. We got a very big contributor.
The team immediately got good once he was done for the season.
So that's our I have a team named Watson and that's the one
we have to to root for. Here with the you, you mentioned
earlier in the stream in the first quarter that you don't
have a lot of emojis in your team names, but it's named
Watson with a vomit emoji. Yeah, so this was, I name all
the teams after it was 52 ship chasing 358 twos, the build
Watson and then the vomit emoji. And that's that's our team here.
Well, I so hold on, I'm a novice, but like who's?
I'm assuming someone's playing quarterback on a.
Baker Baker's been. That's my fantasy guy.
And like how ironic that is, How ironic that is.
Like had you just built A-Team around him?
Like I I had to shift gears and I'm not a big fantasy person,
but like I do care about it. And like I was in a league with
a bunch of high school friends. It's a ton of shit talking left
and right about your girlfriends from like 1991 and all this
stuff. It's like, so it's like I like
got Baker Mayfield in there and he started kicking people's
asses like, and it's like, Hey, check out, check it out.
Dan, my science class person I sat next to in 1990, like he
just kicked your ass. So I love that kind of stuff.
But like, I don't know what you're doing with Deshaun Watson
still in the roster. You're not allowed to drop him
or you. Like you can't drop.
No, you keep everyone stuff the whole year, Yeah.
Well, you're the Browns then. That's you're basically.
The Browns. Yeah, that's right.
Yeah. And we had to grapple with the
decision when we made the pick. We weren't pleased about it.
There's a lot of. We started doing a bit because
we drafted them a few times. Grapple.
We all have. We all have daughters, so we
would tell heartfelt stories about our daughters whenever we
just our penance for drafting him.
Well, I like, I kind of like I, I don't lower you down a notch
as a threesome, but like, I'd, I'd say that was a rough move.
Like you could have gone. Almost to like.
Anywhere else so like. We wanted Justin, remember?
We got Snipe. You're welcome.
We got Snitch. Yeah.
That's right, yeah. We do have a a few other rooting
interests in this game, though. We had, we have Devante
Williams, you know, not holding out hope there, but we have Ladd
and Joshua Palmer and that hasn't reflected here, but Ladd
just had a pretty nice catch. So, you know, we got some some
fun stuff to sweat. Ladd has been like, I mean, I
don't know how many people jumped on him out of the gate.
I think you would have like as a in a draft situation.
But like, I do find it interesting.
Like, I can't think of too many teams.
We're like, we're gonna base our entire passing game around the
idea that this rookie might work.
Right. And that worked.
It did work. It did work.
I think a lot, you know, other stuff's not.
They also got, you know what I think like Quentin Johnson has
only four more receivers have more touchdowns than him.
That doesn't mean that he's not a frustrating individual, but
like they I do believe in them in the sense that like a couple
years from now they're going to have the roster they want.
Like I've always thought. Like I'll tell you one story.
Like I was at a in Indianapolis after the combine in
Indianapolis. I was at a pizza joint at in the
airport and I randomly sat down next to Greg Roman and he was,
this was at the end of the Niners, Jim Harbaugh, Greg Roman
world. And like he was, I think he had
a couple beers and like a little frustrated with the power
structure with the Niners and felt like he was not getting the
recognition he deserved. So and it was a little bit about
Harbaugh. I think they're just like
clashing. Like I was always surprised that
they that they joined back together, that they came back
together and do this. Well, so then he is that before
he was the Bills head coach. Well, no, no Roman.
Roman from there moved on to he. No, this was ages ago.
This is like end of Niners. Era.
End of Niners era. Yeah, that was so then 2011,
2014 he was with the Niners and then 2015 is when he was with
the Bills. Yeah, exactly.
So it was pre bills. It was more like literally at
the tail end of it was the first combine I went to and like I'm
like I'm meeting. I'm He asked, he was like, would
you like a piece of my pizza? That was the other weird thing
that happened was like, no, but like I'll keep talking with you.
But like he liked to espouse his opinions and like I think they
love each other. Number one, I really do.
I'm not speaking negative of Greg Roman, but like they, I
think he was just frustrated. I think Greg Roman, like works
for about 3 years wherever he goes.
It's about 3 years, then it kind of tires out a little.
But like we'll see where we go here.
But like I'd love to see where they are in year 2.
I really would. That's, I mean, that's some
really good insight that is that, that's not the first like
airport anecdote we've had from one of our guests.
We had Robert Mays on last year telling us about a Travis Kelsey
Airport anecdote, if I recall right.
Yeah, they bumped into, I forget what the story was, but they
bumped into them in the airport. When you go to these, when you
go to the like, so it's Indianapolis, it's a, it's a
small quaint. And I live in LA.
So LAX is like a Al Qaeda is in charge of LAX.
I feel like at this point, but like if you go to Indianapolis,
like it's, it's very quaint and there's only a, it's kind of
nice. Downtown, I've been there once.
It's like it's cool. It's it's like, yeah.
Like that's why the, but that's why the combine works because
you are all like compact, but then you go to the airport and
everyone like has certain flights and like you are sitting
around agents, you're sitting around and I'm not, I'm not the
biggest like talker to these people, but like you will be
shocked by who, who you would be with.
And they're drinking beers and then and then, you know, they
start to talk, so. Nice.
Sorry, sorry Mark, we're a little distracted here too.
Without we, we put Marvin Mims in our in our pickums for
tonight, but really, but unfortunately we have receptions
and not yards, but we're still in.
Huge play. Yeah.
That was awesome. There's a backfield.
Backfield. Yeah.
So, Pat, I wonder if that's why
you weren't seeing a like strict backfield alignment on a lot of
those numbers you're digging into is that he does the the
motion and so that winds up getting.
Yeah, he might be yeah. My count is like Flag does out
wide. Yeah, that's interesting.
Huge play. I'm watching this too.
Let's get Javonte for. Come on, catch the ball, come.
On well, that was a huge play. Frustrating year.
I mean, I will say that Beau absolutely rocketed that in
there. It didn't need to be a laser.
No, he did. That's such a Sean Payton play
right there, too. So because we talked.
About the Shawn Watson I have and I'll have my daughter with
me. Vivian.
Britney's trying. Britney's trying to eat dinner,
so she's trying. To, well, look at that little
incredibly cute human person, that's amazing.
That's Bailey. Wow.
Bailey. Bonex is cooking.
Mark, you were talking about, but the when your Browns fandom
started and I was just curious, like those are probably some
good days. I think you said 86, right?
And I pull up their franchise encyclopedia to kind of remind
myself, because I know that it. Was it was 86.
So here's the weird thing. I lived in Connecticut and I was
everyone around me like new like New York, like right near New
York. So it's like everyone's a Jets
fan or a giants fan, like Dan who, you know, Co hosts, like
Dan was a jets fan, but like everyone's a everyone followed
one of those two teams and back then this is like just about a
couple years after like the civil war.
So like not teams weren't all on, you know, you couldn't
follow every team. You couldn't watch them unless
you like so it really was for like The Jets and Giants.
It was like Bill Parcells. It was Bill Parcells giants and
The Jets team that like was going through stuff.
But like, I had a friend, my best friend that moved in to my
middle school from Cleveland and we started our own TV station at
the school and stuff. But like he was a Browns fan.
He's like, you've got to follow these this Browns team.
And I was a Cowboys fan at the time.
Like that's really weird for like are.
You guys still on speaking terms?
Yeah, we, well, we are. You know what?
Here's the word that he became a Chiefs fan about 8:00.
Or three years because? He's a radio DJ and he moved to
Kansas City, so he became a Chiefs fan.
But like, he got me into the Browns and he was like, watch
them tonight. And it was a Monday night game
in 86 against the Dolphins and was Marino versus Bernie Kozar
and the Browns like ripped their clothing off and just destroyed
them like on in an island game back then on Monday Night
Football. And it was like, I was like, I'm
all in like this team. Like if you've ever heard of
like Ernest Beiner or Kevin Mack or Webster Slaughter, like these
were my dudes. And Bernie Kozar, who I, who I
know a little bit at this point, just like through, you know,
life, but like wonderful, wonderful guys.
And Marty Schottenheimer was the coach, like one of the great
motivational speakers. So it was just everything that
kind of fed me and like, they lost on the drive.
That was a minor fumble. Set that up right.
Well, no. The drive was where Elway, like
the Browns should have won in Cleveland.
And then Elway goes 98 yards on like, you know, 11 or 12 plays
in the last two minutes, and then they go to overtime.
Actually, people think that ended the game.
Then they go to overtime, but then the Broncos win the game.
But then the next year they go back.
The Browns go back to the AFC title game against Denver again
and go to Denver and they're down 21 to three.
I and I and I watched the set a House of like with a mom and a
dad and a friend and another friend are all Broncos fans
nightmare like a mom screaming for the Broncos.
Like I'm like I'm going to go like like I'm literally going to
go Zodiac killer on this entire house.
But. I'm fine.
I'm keeping my I'm. Keeping a chill but like down 21
to 3:00 and they tied it I think like it was like 3131 and the
Broncos scored and the Browns had to go drive to tie it up and
this was a crazy ass game. That's when Beiner fumble.
That's when Beiner fumble and it literally broke my heart.
It like it broke my heart, like I called my dad on the phone on
a back then the phone was like, you know, it's like you got to
do the the spin number thing, like the.
Slow the sadly. Yeah, it's like, oh, it's like a
a disaster. Like what?
Like what's my phone number? And like, there's no, you know,
it's like, and my dad, I was like, Dad, is it real?
Like do you think it changed? And he's like, it's real.
Like it really happened. And like so then I was like, my
move was like things. Went wrong.
So I'm even more in. I'm more in now.
I'm coming more in. So like, right, that was the
mistake. I should have at that point
jumped and been like. So I'm looking at Chiefs look
pretty good. I'm looking this up right now.
And then two years later they go back to the conference
championship. I didn't realize it.
So it's three times in four years and lost it in four years
again. They lost.
And so that that's the one that Browns fans would call the
blowout. It wasn't really a blowout, but
it was kind of like that one. Just Bernie Kozar actually had a
staph infection on his hand and had to have a weird like kind of
a call it like a plastic, I don't know, some sort of
contraption on his hand, on his throwing hand to throw the ball
because he had a staph infection, which you know, that
waylays people's for for for weeks at this point.
So it was a a complete disaster. And like that that one wasn't so
close. It was like the third act like
it's like, you know, we're kind of tying things up.
We get that this movie's over and the movie was over at that
point. And then they moved.
Well, then they they were three and like back then it was like
16. It was like they were 3 and 13
the next year. And then the Belichick came in
and really started to build a beautiful team.
And like I, that's when I like, I had this thing in college
where I like had to, I took a coaching class and I had to
write to coaches. And I wrote to Belichick and he
wrote back and forth and like, we wrote back and forth.
To each other. And that now I'm pretty
convinced it could. Have been his secretary or.
Like another secretary. But we wrote back and forth.
But then the Browns went to the playoffs in 94 as the team that
I believe outside the Steelers allowed the second fewest points
in the league. And I always believed in
Belichick. I really did.
And then they move, then they move to the Baltimore.
And if you go look at that Baltimore 2000 team.
So first of all, Ozzie Newsome was the Browns general manager.
Like assist. There was no general manager,
but it was Belichick. But it was like Belichick and
Ozzie Newsome were running the Browns.
And then they go. Then they fire Belichick and
Ozzie Newsome goes to Baltimore and becomes the greatest general
manager of all. Time in 15 years.
Yeah, right. Yeah, we know.
We know that whole story that there were like 82 people
attached to. That brown steam like.
I mean, I, I, my plan after college was to like, I don't
have a car. Was going to ride a bicycle and
I went to Miami of Ohio. I was like, I'm gonna ride a
bicycle and like drive like and become any, I'll do anything for
the Browns. I'll mow their grass.
And like, then they moved like a semester before I graduated,
they moved to Baltimore and it was like, what a disaster.
At this point so. Brutal.
So you start doing podcasts at that point, like that's the next
for all of us. When to make disappointment?
Lands. Yeah, Yeah.
You were talking about. It's like a for so many decades
that you should have, you should have left by now.
But that's, that's the period where you're, you're trying to
win them back and then you want them back.
So then you're, I mean, you're stuck for good at that point.
They came back. Like, I do want to be loyal.
And it's like, I could imagine rooting for like another team.
Here's the thing, if I picked up like the Green Bay Packers, they
lose in the Super Bowl to the Browns.
And then I'd be like, you are a shameful individual.
So it's like, I got to just I'm going to ride it out and see
what happens. But it is a rough ride.
Like, I mean, we've all been down like dark roads and like
this has just been on. Like it just flat out, it's not
even interesting. It's just unenjoyable.
Right, you could be bad, but you got to be bad and fun.
Like that's what you're talking about.
They're not bad and fun is always like I like I like that,
but like the Browns aren't bad and fun, they're just boring and
unproductive. Yeah.
What how much has, you know, obviously you guys shifting from
being under the the shield to now under underdog, way more
autonomy and independence, I assume.
Has that shifted, you know, how you guys approach things at all
or have you guys tried to maintain kind of the the vibe
you guys had before? Well, it's a great question.
It's funny cuz like that Woody Johnson article came out today
on the Athletic, right? And like, yeah, one of the
reasons I don't I'll say anything at this point, but like
one of the reasons that we separated from the NFL was that
that that we annoyed Woody Johnson, yes, with something on
our show. And like when you when you annoy
an owner and like you work for the NFL.
And by the way, like I love 99% of the people I work with the
NFL and like, they gave me the chance of a lifetime.
And I, I think that it's just, there's an insular like you
can't say certain things. And I get that.
And I, we played ball with that for more than a decade, but.
Was Woody Johnson the shadowy league figure, or is that the
well? Well, certainly like.
Well. Yes, that's the definition.
Like shadowy, like, I mean he's like a he's like an omnipresent
nightmare up in the sky. But like they were like when you
get in the crosshairs, like it was just like you guys stopped
talking and like and and everyone there gets that and
like you can't. I never was like, wow, I don't
get it and I'm going to complain.
Like I really probably was like wouldn't complain.
Like I get it and like I love to work here for the most part.
But like, I think our show, which had always been kind of
under the radar and we could say what we wanted to.
It could be like this. Like we could say what we want
and no one was kind of monitoring it.
And it became more monitored and I think we got in the crosshairs
a little bit more and like, it got a little suppressive and
like Dan. Is my brother like he's my
brother, like I love him. He's like I I called him like my
favorite. He's like the best friend I'll
ever have in media and like it's a tough.
We all know that like there's good people, bad people, all
that stuff, right. But like when they didn't want
to continue with us the way that we want to continue it, like it
was making a choice. And so I made a choice to go
with him. I couldn't be more thrilled,
like to be with underdog, to be with it.
And I'm not just saying that like it's, it's not even, it's
underdog, but it's just that like we're not, we're able, like
I never even think about, we talk about now and I'd like,
we're talking about a sport. We're talking about
billionaires. Like, why do I need someone with
handcuffs on me? Like, what am I, I'm supposed to
be like licking their butt? Like, no, I'm not gonna like I'm
I like, I want to talk about it the way I want to.
And so does Dan. And like Dan is a creative fire.
He really is. And like in our own ways, we
bring different things. But like, I couldn't be more
happy. Like I, I have thought about
this. Like I'll say this is the last
common. Like it got stressful, you know,
like when you're someone for 10-11 years, like it just gets
kind of like, like in anything, it's just like, but like now
it's like so fun to sign on to do our show.
And like we have Connor Orr with us, who I'm sure, you know, like
Connor is just an absolute joy. And like we picked, we, we, we
spent the summer picking who we wanted to and join us.
And I think it's like with any endeavor relationships, your
wife, your girlfriend, your friends, like your whatever.
It's like, who do you really want to spend time with?
Like we got to do that this time.
So it feels great. Yeah, that's awesome.
Nice. Yeah, we've, I've done stuff
with Underdog for a long time and you know, the autonomy and
the leash they give you to just, hey, do what you do.
And we're we're happy to be a part of it, makes it an awesome
partnership. How long have you guys been
doing this though? Let me ask, let me flip it
around. I'd love to know how long you've
been. Doing.
We've been doing. Doing this what like 2016 or 17
is when we. Started.
Yeah, somewhere. Time in in that range, yeah.
Yeah. Things don't last that long.
We all know like things come and go in like 8 months.
So like, that's pretty beautiful.
Well, the first thing Pat and I collaborated on even before this
podcast was the Fantasyland where we interviewed you and you
know, Lakeisha and Wes and all for that, you know, that
episode. So that was actually the like
the origin story to what this became was was I remember.
The day I remember what room I was walking around doing that
with you guys actually on my phone.
Yep. That's awesome.
Yeah. Yeah, we.
We did an. Episode early on about high
stakes and we went out to Vegas and drafted A-Team together and
then we ended up doing a second episode about Co managing teams.
And then we kind of just kept that rolling and we wrote some
articles and stuff and then the next year we did a podcast about
it. And that podcast marked In This
Overtime. That's pretty cool.
Well, that's the way that I think now.
It's like we just create what we want to.
There's no reason to be under the thumb of XY and Z.
Yeah. Yeah, I agree.
Who do you? Well, did you know Woody was a
big Madden player? Is that?
Is that why? Is that when you guys?
Said that he's playing so much Madden.
Am IA Madden player. No, Woody Johnson.
He's he's playing so much Madden.
Knows the well. No, he's taking Madden ratings
like well. This is a.
This is a this. Guy is not.
This is not a serious person in terms.
Of the football world, I think I get that.
I wish it that story would have been so much better for the
fantasy football community. If he's like I see where Jerry
Judy's ADP is in these. Graphs, he's going.
Outside the top 10 rounds like I, I can't have this.
Guy. Right, we went Madden instead
and it has very tangible, you know, tactile anchor to
anything. Yep, he is I I only saw him once
in person so I have no comment. He walked by me in an elevator,
but like, it was just like, this is a rich person.
You can feel the richness just coming off them.
Like they don't, you know, Maidservants come to me like
it's like, I don't, you know? So the the chat points out, do
you guys remember referencing a report by a man named Crack
Rock? On a rock?
Yeah, I do. I was.
Well, no, no, yes, I do. It's a couple years ago, I
think. Who was it?
OK, it might have been Patrick Clabon, but like, I think it
was, I think it was Patrick Clabon that like, that's right,
Rack Rock had tweeted at him or got into his hemisphere and he
mentioned it on a show. Because I think it was because
he bumped into Woody and had this, the skinny to use his
terms on Aaron Rodgers going there.
You're right. I think he was essentially
breaking news and it was like because his name, it was crack
rock we're. Not.
Quick to believe it, but like he was at, I believe on location at
a yeah, some sort of resort where Woody was.
He was at a restaurant with his mom and saw Woody Johnson at
another table and approached him.
Yeah, with like rock with Salah, like it was like that.
I think it was that sort of power circle and and you know
what, he was right like. He was.
Right.
I mean crack, we've got to be listening more to crack rock, I
think in general, so. Just to fill you in one.
No, we don't. But. 2.
Crack Rock is part of the ship chasing orbit.
We draft a team with him annually on here on this stream,
and we knew him as just this crazy eccentric fantasy football
player before he became an NFL insider and political reporter.
So it's been a real thrill to see you guys and the rest of the
NFL world reference. I mean I would say referenced
him once but like, I don't know. If he did, more like so.
You're saying his? You don't regularly source crack
rock. No, I like, no, like he came and
went in my world, but that doesn't mean like that he's not
important. But like, so are you saying that
he's, is he, is he still an insider?
Is he still operating on that front?
Yeah. He he was adamant that so he
became kind of like a big deal this spring in Vikings, in
Viking circles, because OK, the Vikings really wanted to get up
for Drake May And he's he sort the the kind of influences he
claims is that he'll sometimes bump into Woody at lunch.
He knows the Wilf's so he's get he's going to get Wilfson's side
information and he, he he claims to bump into craft in the
Hamptons. So it's like it's kind of you,
you've got the craft connection and the Wilf's connection.
Like this guy might be the the way we learn what's gonna happen
here. So the spiders.
Man, he's a real spider. Yeah, yeah.
He's just now. A socialite he's told us the
whole back story of like his high school days and his sisters
yes, like he's. Got to be rich, right?
He's a rich. And a very rich.
Well. And that's.
That's a lot of weed. And he owns a dispensary or
owned a dispensary. He does he.
Contains multitudes. Mark He.
Contains multitudes. He does OK.
He's well. I, I tend to believe like the if
he's super rich and he's going to the Hamptons, some of it
starts to make sense to me, so I'm willing to listen.
That was a that was a win. He was he said he was very clear
the the Vikings were going to get their quarterback and that
the Patriots weren't going to move off of three.
You're like they're they're sitting there and taking May.
So he. Yeah.
He he, he does have his heat check moments, you know, he'll,
he'll pull up and shoot a three from the logo every once in.
A while. He's 0, but occasionally he'll
trade it, yeah. Well, I'm excited that you have
a connection, that you have an association with them that feels
powerful. You can tap them when needed
for. From our perspective, it feels
less powerful, but we like that it gives off that vibe for.
Sure. Powerful for someone.
So yeah. Man, So what what, what's it
look like for you? Because I mean, this past
offseason was when you guys were kind of getting synced up with
underdog, finding your footing, figuring out your next play.
Now that you guys kind of have your your set up, what does the
the offseason look like for you guys?
Well, I mean, I think like you guys too.
It's like we just we, our shows never stop.
Maybe in June they slow down a little bit, but the NF LS kind
of cooked into this thing where it's like no other sport will be
allowed to exist in primary function beyond us.
So like there's league events. I think one thing is because we
just had a biorhythm of how we worked and how we did our shows.
Like there's the season, there's the playoffs, there's the Super
Bowl and then there's the offseason.
It's like none of that will change.
We won't do less. I think it's more about like how
do we do things that are new? I think that's probably what
we're focused on. Like like we've we had, you
know, we do segments where we're more like feelings, emotion,
loving sports, like we grew up listening to WFAN.
So it's like, how do we make you feel something if you're a new
football fan versus I have you. I love PFFI love those guys.
It's like if you go to it's not analytics.
It's not that. It's like we're more just like,
let's make it fun. And so it's like, how do we do
stuff that makes us not bored? We've been doing it for a long
time. And so it's like new segments,
new ideas. And like Dan is a genius at
that. Like once in a while I'll hit
like a like a double with an idea, but like, you know, I'm
mostly more like, tell me what to do and I'll do it.
I'll do it. But but I think like what does
it look like? We just keep going.
Like I think we've always had a feeling like you just keep
going, like produce 300. Well, I don't know the number
like 203 hundred shows a year. And just like there's no slowing
down. And then at some point they're
going to take us and throw us out of a moving car.
And then that would be the big, that would be the pivot point.
That's maybe gonna roll. That's the same thing that
happened with us, like strip chasing.
We used to like power down for a few months in the offseason and
then it would be like, do you guys want to take like a month
off and then be like, you want to take two weeks off and out?
You're like, all right, we just. You guys, you guys.
Do you go? Not?
Yeah. Do you churn?
We'll take like occasionally we'll take a week off.
We're like all travelling or something one week, but it's not
planned, you know, It's kind of just like how it falls, you
know, We can't do that next week.
Because it's the same thing. Like, you know, with fantasy.
Now let's go, lad. There we are.
Yeah, with fan, I mean, you know how it goes too.
It's like and and Pat and Gretsch do a lot of, you know,
getting the prospect stuff. So then, you know, the combine
and then, you know, Underdogs gonna have last year, Underdog
dropped its first tournament before the Super Bowl had even
happened. So people are already drafting
by the end of January. And so it's just like it never
stops. Well, I think also like it makes
sense because it's like the free agency cycle or rumors or
whispers. Like if you're into fantasy.
And I think fantasy to me is like I'm with my high school
friends and we're going to compete against each other and
have a thread that's very, I'm not going to show the thread to
everyone in my life, but will have a thread.
But like you're talking non-stop and it's like it's competition.
And so like little free agency, whispers and moves, then real
free agency, then the draft. It's like everything starts over
and like football's found a really good, I think, thematic
way to own your entire calendar year.
They have it. Really, they really have.
And like, it's yeah, it it's by, it's by design of how it works,
but it's also by their greed. And I'm OK with that.
Like I, I. Mostly well, the season itself
was just getting longer and longer.
We're gonna be at well, right team games and we're gonna like,
are they gonna put 2 by? That's where I feel like seven
months. That feels like they need to get
that, that part of it under control cuz it's I think they're
good. We're good with the 17 games.
They don't need the 18th. I know they're probably gonna.
Have don't. You're you are.
You are a fish swimming upstream right now.
I'm I'm. With you, I'm swimming with you.
But we are gonna get naked because like, it's gonna go
multiple games. Like, I think we're gonna have
some sort of like NFL special on like Easter Sunday.
Like they're gonna find a way to completely.
Take we're the fish swimming on stream, flopping around, and
they're the. Bear, That's just.
Right. They're the bear.
They are the bear and. Yes, they are the.
Thing, the thing that I really feel like a fish swimming stream
about is just hey, man, Sunday. That's football, football.
Sunday, right? Monday, fine.
Thursday, here we are. But can we leave it there?
Can we leave it there? No.
Do we have to go to to Fridays? Do we have to go?
How about Wednesdays? They've always done The
Saturdays. Well, aren't, aren't Sundays the
worst Sundays are the like, is, is the weakest slate now?
And like, I think like for the first time ever, and this is not
new information, but like the Chiefs play on every single day
except Tuesday. What football team has ever done
that before? What has happened?
This is not this is not the New York Mets.
Like what are we doing here? Like we play on every single day
but Tuesday this season, like you, if we like the one thing
I've ever learned about the NFL is like once you start doing
this, you're never doing this. Like you are going to add and
add and add. And like if you don't like 2
Monday night games, I hope you don't have a problem with four
or whatever it. Is they do that like it's.
Like I just feel like it's. Gonna become more than two I To
me, it's like the little the little cuz part of the reason I
love the NFL so much is like the the games are all on at once.
Like you, just you. It was I'm going to sit down and
just have my favorite sport and hit me in the face for seven
hours. Like, well, it's for the working
man. The working man is like, I'm at
a factory month. Not not myself, but like do I'm
in a factory Monday through Friday and then my games are on
on Sunday and I go drink my beers.
And now it's like now they're on every night of the week and it's
like I need 17 streaming services.
Like they'll, you know, we'll have a game on the Hallmark
Channel soon enough. How do we, where does it stop?
And it will never, it will not slow down until I think, until
we become, if another country attacks our country, it will
slow down. Largely at that point.
That seems safe it. Will take.
My brain went to like this dystopian future where it's like
a 30 week season but 20 bye weeks and it's just non-stop
rolling football year round. There's 16 island games a week
and. The four of us, the four of us
must comment on everything that happened.
And that's that's. How it will work exactly?
Man, I didn't see that play, but it seemed like her was a Palmer.
A little. More.
That's a Palmer tuddy. I like how our best ball man
team has been inches away. Palmer.
Palmer's been getting usage for sure.
It's been looking OK, but yeah, intercepted.
I'm worried about the Chargers, like without JK Dobbins they
seem to have lost their. Yep, their mojo.
Yeah, they have. Yeah.
I don't know how we played it. We took the Gus unders, Gus
lowers. Like I knew what they were
supposed to be, but they're not it, right?
And I also Herbert I think is just getting shot up hardcore
before the game pain wise. Yeah.
That's just not a good throw. That's got to be somewhere other
than there. I mean, that's just, it's got to
be high and over the top or not that late.
That's not him. Like that's like that tells me
like and I'm not some sort of doctor, like I play one on a
podcast, but like that's lower body issues creating.
That was not a good throw. Yeah.
They've had no running game since Dobbins has went out.
He's had to carry the entire team.
And yeah, I mean, that doesn't work in 2024 NFL where, you
know, the the secondaries are all dropping back and the good
offenses are running the ball against these light boxes and
lighter defenders and everything.
I mean, this is it's tough to do to just stand back there and
throw every single snap and you can't run them and.
I feel like Denver's defense, like I think they're not an
exciting team to the eye in terms of the overall thing, but
like they could steal a playoff game from someone with like a
day where things just go right for their defense.
It wouldn't. Have a.
Great. It wouldn't be a great narrative
for all of us, but like, they are, They're a weird team.
They are. What's funny because we're doing
like all these playoff basketball drafts right now and
in them you kind of have to like, think you know who the
seeds are. And then every week it changes
like who the actual like the way the seeds are going to break
down. And it is just been a reminder
of like how crazy the. Actual playoffs are gonna be.
We keep thinking we know exactly what's gonna happen to the
playoffs, but a team like Denver winning a a couple playoff games
wouldn't really be that strange. No, it's, it feels less volatile
than other years, like right where we are right now in terms
of like, it's a lot set. But in terms of if, like, I just
always feel like if Pittsburgh got a couple home playoff games,
they could beat anyone. Maybe not with TJ Watt, he's
going to play, but like with George Pickens not in there.
That's not true. But like, yeah, that's a big
deal. Right.
Denver, though, is is weird. Like they might, they might
annoy many people because I think they're not, they're just
not on our mind. I feel like they're just the
team I keep forgetting is still hanging around big time with
like a legit record. What steed are they going to
get? Pat, You've been digging into
all these scenarios. Are they're going to be on the
road, they'll be a wild card, or are they going to play someone
pretty tough? Are they going to play like
Pillow we have? Well, this Ravens game is like
if they swept the Raven, if they beat the Ravens on Saturday and
they then. We're talking about the three.
That's insane, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
What's? Your What's your dream Super
Bowl match up, mark? You know what, like it.
I of course I'm not unusual. This is so cliche, but I wanted
to be Bill's Lyons. But then I'm like the loser of
that is like, ready to like, literally, yeah, they're going
to like jump. They want to jump off a building
because. It's this is a Browns fan
talking. Yeah, they're like the psyche of
the loser already. Yeah, they're in that world.
So it's like part of me would be like lions beat the Chiefs.
We're like we all feel like, and then the Chiefs are not the
Patriots or they're not Darth Vader, but it's like we're tired
of the Chiefs and like the lions go do it.
But I'm, I'm pretty concerned about the lions right now.
And I think the, for me, growing up in the prime of my early
fandom, watching the Bills lose 4 Super Bowls under Marv Levy,
who is the sweetest, like most incredible man, like just a
wonderful guy. Like I'd love to see the Bills
just beat anyone like I want. I kind of think we just need it.
Like, let's flush it out before the nation takes a massive dive
bomb and we just get that done. You know.
We just get that now. I think if it's Bill's Lions, I
think I'm running for the Lions because that what the Lions are
doing, especially if they get there with all the injuries
they've had, it just feels like they're kind of capturing
lightning in a bottle where the Bills have Josh and I would love
to see Josh win a Super Bowl, be I'd be psyched to see him win
one this year. But if it's if it's Bills versus
Lions, I think I'm I'm like, you'll get back here Bills,
you'll win one they've. Got a better chance to.
Yeah, right. I get that, I don't.
Know they've been really close. We know way more insufferable
Bills fans than we do insufferable Lions fans, so that
you know. Probably you do.
Well, that would affect your opinion for sure, yeah.
They're not exactly that. It's not.
Lions fans, I was thinking about like, I mean, the Tigers haven't
been good in a long time. The Pistons, they won a
championship like 20 years ago, but they haven't been good for a
long time. Tough city.
But then the But then Buffalo doesn't have any other teams, so
that's why they're all just. There'd be no Bills, there'd be
no Buffalo Bills if we started the league today with all our,
like, concerns about, you know. I guess they're all big Sabres
fans. They're all hockey people,
probably. Yeah, the bills would not be a
like both of them are so great. I my thing is more like there's
such great stories, both of them and it's like I can't I almost
can't handle them playing each other.
I and the lead up to it like it's too much like give me a
villain. I want to.
I want like a villain and a good guy.
I don't want 2 great good guys going against each other.
It's like we don't like we're we've that feels.
Are the Chiefs the best villain at this point?
That I don't think there is. I don't think they are.
Like they're not. Villainous.
They're not villainous. They're, we're just, they're a
little tedious. We're.
Sick of it? We're tired of it.
We're a little tired of it. Like they're not.
Nothing about them to me personally speaks like, wow, I
can't get, I can't wait. No, I agree.
I'm assassinated. They don't have the Brady,
Belichick. They don't.
They don't, right? And.
We're not that we're we're we're not.
See them? Lose 1 you can you guys, we have
a real interesting thing here that there was the kickoff.
They tried to do the fair catch. You guys, they talked about the
fair catch spot kick for years, right?
And there was a a kick catch interference penalty.
I believe we're about to get a a spot kick.
Here. Oh, with no time left.
Time down. I'm not sure what's happening
here, but this might be a really unique plan.
I'm kind of into it. Yeah, this is.
Cuz if so the rules always been if they fair catch at the end of
the half, even if there's no time left, you get like a a spot
kick I believe like an untimed down or something they always
talk about on the broadcast. I've never seen it happen.
I think they were trying to fair catch, but there was kick catch
interference. Well, this is sexy.
This is cool. Yeah, it's.
Half the stadium are not. Rude.
Nice for the act to stay over here.
Take her the kicker. They they were just showing the
people that run on the field were not like a bunch of
lineman. I I think they still have 11
dudes stand on the field. But like Hassan Haskins was out
there. He's not a part.
Yeah, look, it's a kick off, but I think it's for three points.
I think they're. They're a kick off.
What? I don't yeah, 'cause they just,
they just received a punt. This is a this is a three-point
kick off, kick off. Look at it says in the bottom 57
yard field goal attempt. You're right, this.
Is. I've never seen this.
Someone's saying it happened in Arizona before.
I've never seen it. This.
Year in Arizona. Crazy.
Oh my God, this is. So there's no like he doesn't
have to worry about anyone blocking or anything.
No, Right. It's like a weird quirky rule
people have talked about for years on like social media and
stuff. This is just a kickoff for three
points. What a cool and really.
Made it. Wow, wow.
What was that? What a moment in time.
Yeah. That was incredible.
You see something new on the ship cast.
Right. Yeah.
Wow, look at that that. Was a good night.
Nose drama 70. It doesn't have quite the same
ring to it. Dicker, the spot kicker.
You're right, you're right. We got to workshop that.
Well, Mark, you are more than welcome to hang out with us if
you got to go. We normally fire up the pick em
lobby here, build, build out some sweats for the second-half.
But I also want to be respectful of your time here.
Well, I probably should go just cause I've got our other show
after this, but I would love to come.
Well, there's not that many more of these, but like, I don't know
when, when you'd gather, but I would love to come chat with you
again anytime. We're all together, we're teams.
Yeah. Maybe I want to leave you with
the stat that you you brought the the unique element here.
The last time anybody made a fair catch field goal was in
1976 in the NFL. Unlike you, I was alive then so.
Arc let the people know, obviously.
Heed the call. Podcast, app of choice, YouTube.
Anything else people should know about?
I mean, I guess I'm on Twitter at my name Mark Sessler, but
like I I don't like spend a ton of time on that.
Like I really just say heat follow our show.
We've got a Patreon attached to heat the call that's got a lot
of non football, like interesting, fun stuff on there.
We last night we went with Conor.
We watched a Hallmark Christmas movie as a like a live broadcast
and you could tell what that probably was like.
Like that's the kind of stuff we're trying to do.
And like, I think we should cross has again, where we have
you guys come and join us too. And we can that'd be fun.
Yeah, we'd love to, especially heading into the offseason.
So I mean, this was a joy and I don't know, we just want to make
it fun. Like that's all we really care
about. Like we're hat we're we feel.
I think it's like, I'll say one last thing.
Like we didn't have a job for like 18 weeks covering football.
And I was like, all my cynicism about the whole thing, it kind
of melted away. I was like, oh, I kind of like
doing that. Like me.
Yeah. I do remember what it was like
to work for, like, a lower level IBM.
Like, that wasn't fun. So like, let's we'll keep doing
it. We'll join forces again.
And there we go. Awesome.
All right, Mark Sessler, heed the call.
Thank you again so much for joining us.
And we will be sure to sync up here in in the near future.
Enjoy the holidays and the the rest of the playoffs.
You too. Fairly well, guys.
Bye. See you, Mark.
All right, guys, let's see here. Let me get us into the pick em
lobby. Roger Sherman, who I think was
with the Ringer for a while, Yeah, he's been in a lot of
places. He he's the guy that he just
tweeted out at all capsule waiting for this all my life.
He he quote tweeted himself from like 2019 and he has all these
other ones from like, I'll be back to, you know, all the way
back to 2017. And it's like all caps Bill
Belichick, this is your moment. Do the fair catch kick.
Like he's been rooting for it for so, so long.
There's some people that have tracked this and have always
wanted this moment. It's it's very a quirk of NFL
lore just happened. I'm very exhilarated.
Real quick before we hop in the pick em lobby, I'm very excited
about one of these that we posted in the discord.
It's Marvin Mims higher than 2 1/2 receptions.
We kept that the same. He's at two lad we slid to 89
1/2, he's at 57 and then estimate we slid to 49 1/2.
This was like A50 to pay almost 1400.
That feels extremely live right now.
So I'm excited about that. And then the core we just have
to we're on good pace. Obviously lad needs three more
yards. Mims needs one more catch and
then we just need Gus to to stay chilling so.
I mean, Gus is at 8 carries for 18 yards.
I know that looks scary, but he's going effective and they're
trailing. I feel like that's we're not
halfway to losing that. I feel like we're 2/3 likely to
hit that personally. Yeah, I think the scariest thing
would just be like what happened on that first drive where he
catches a screen pass that goes like way more than it should.
Sure. Let's see though, any kind of
other macro game flow angles before we like drill down?
I definitely like last week or previous week we did a touchdown
1, you know, something with that was kind of fun.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I like the way we've always played these as
far as the macro game flow stuff.
I I do really like the Chargers to open it up and pass a ton.
Like Herbert, his passing yards are only another 130.
He's already at 140. I like that.
And it's 270. Like he's going to throw for
more than 130 in the second-half.
In my opinion that's they're going to go out.
What if, what if we play that with a LAD TD, since we don't
have any TD stuff with LAD, all of our very short yards.
Yep, Yeah, it's. Very fun.
And then we just need to find a Denver angle.
What's estimate at? We could do it.
We could double down. We don't have.
Them did they not? Are they not giving us estimate
right now? OK, there he is.
OK, wasn't showing in my Screener there.
So they got him at 21 with the lead?
Yep, they're Pagan in for six more rush attempts.
They haven't met. No receptions.
I like all those. The rush plus receiving is only
two extra yards than the rushing, so you could just say
like, Oh yeah, I mean you you could play the receptions as a
.5 as well. The rush attempt seems like a
lock, doesn't it? Yeah, the rush attempt is.
Nice. Well, Watson did come back
though, right We. He did come back.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the fact that SMA has been
running so effectively is the part of it where I'm like, they
got to lean into that a little. Bit I will say though, guys like
from not saying we have to do this, I guess we could go back
to it. Like we do have a spot where we
could like really nicely hedge to like even playing an under on
the rushing just because. But I'm not saying we have to do
it on this one, but it might be worth like splitting.
Like I would even be around to run this two ways one with the
estimate lower and one with the higher cuz then the lower helps
that other one. Sure.
You're saying cuz we're in such good position on that other one,
we should hedge it a little. And I don't think that's a bad
idea, but I'm saying. If the Herbert and Lad stuff
hits, you're still, you're still making, you're still making
money on this one. Right.
Like let me just see here what this pays as is.
So this is a 10.7. So it's like 50 to win 537.
OK. I think that's smart.
I mean. Let's just see anything.
I'm pretty into estimate. I was just getting all so
excited. I don't know if I want to.
I guess I don't mind not doubling down.
I don't think I'm ready to hedge the estimate one.
It's more to like, I think we all like the Herbert and Lad
stuff of just making sure we find one that we actually.
Do some right. Just said there's a 30% boost in
the lobby so I didn't know if you have it too but.
I think I already used that one. I don't have it.
Nope. All right, let's see here.
I mean, what, what did you guys read on the the Jovante stuff?
I mean, that's a big number they're putting there for him.
Yeah, I like the lower on him because he has a 15 yard carry
and then only two other carries. He's got 4 catches already.
I'm happy to take a lower on him, which is kind of a a way to
play estimate too. They're not actually they
started estimating this game. They're not using a lot of
Javante, even though he did have that one long run 3 carries.
They're used Watson, so it's it's estimate has five carries.
Javante has three, Watson has two, Mims has one.
It's like Javante just had a. Rotation player.
What if we run it twice, Once with the estimate higher, once
with the Javante lower, and then we can easily hit it both ways.
Love it that's. Beautiful.
OK. Do you and you guys like doing
just rushing yards for Javonte or do you want the extra padding
with rushing receiving? I like the extra padding.
That's 20 yards. He has four catches for 14.
He doesn't break plays in the pass game.
He's got to catch like 7 balls to get those 20 yards.
That's huge. Oh, he's already got 36.
I'm sorry, the 14th. That's why there's a 20 yard
gap. He's already got 14 receiving
yards. I'm misreading.
So how many more yards are we taking on?
6. So it's taking on 6, then I then
I think I just want the rushing. Let's just do the rushing.
Yep. OK, so let's run this.
We'll run this once here with the Javonte lower.
I'll drop the link in the chat and then we'll run it once with
the estimate and you like, do you guys want the extra
receiving juice with estimate or do you just want to run the
rushing? Or do we want the attempts?
Or the attempts. I mean, the way he's been, his
yards per carry has been pretty good in this game like.
How it has been 6 attempts, he's going to get the 22 rushing
yards I feel like. So you would, you'd want the
yards 'cause he could also get the 22 on 4 attempts, you know,
Right, right, right. I think, and I think I like just
doing the rushing yards. It's weird, but it's only two
yards. But they haven't used Watson and
Devante and all. Yeah, I like rush.
He might be the fourth guy in the passing game out of the
backfield right With Mims, too. Yeah.
All right, let's see here. I love that.
I love that combo. That was very fun.
Yeah, Herbert lad Teddy and then playing the Broncos backs both
ways feels good. Looks like they're projecting
what? What does Fidel have in the
first half? Two for 22.
Which is really weird Pete because when he had that first
run I was like oh you nailed that and he looked great and
they have not leaned into that like Gus looking terrible.
Gus had a couple good runs early and every other carries been
stuffed at the line for Gus since like that first drive.
Yeah. Very bizarre.
Or that first touchdown Dr., I should say, he had 8910110 and
they had a three and out right away.
We had a four yard so he had 15 rushing yards by the end of that
touchdown Dr. which they had a three and out and then a
touchdown Dr. on their second drive.
He's only at 18 now. Like he's not gotten anywhere
since since that really early usage.
Yeah. Oh, they're saying.
Did you not see Gus limped off? Yeah, everyone talked about that
and then someone said he came came back in after limping off.
So I don't know seen conflicting comments about that.
Is there any other way that you like playing this Pete?
Like a angle you're. Seeing the not not specific
macro, I mean I do think I still like we did Sutton tutty in one
of them. Like now getting up to 2 1/2 X
on a Sutton touchdown seems solid to me.
Like I I would be down to do like lad Tutty, Sutton tutty
just play. The game that sounds funny.
A little bit. Yeah, let's do that.
That's a great. What about what about do they
have Nick's rushing? That's the one we never got on,
but it I mean, he's, yeah, he's been moving around.
Rejection refreshing. I guess with them being in the
lead, I'm I'm a little less than two because it's it's about,
it's about drop backs. His Russian comes on scramble,
so you need drop, right. But it's like he only has the
two carries. They've both been for 15 and 10
yards. They've both been like, he's
gotten into space and you're like, oh, he's, he's all over
the place, but he only has the two.
Yeah. That's true.
I'm a little bit still. Refreshing.
I don't know why they're not. Ray Worshing prime stories First
fair catch, fair kick me free kick made field goal since 1976.
Ray Worshing was the last. Guy to do it that's.
That's a kicker in 1976, Ray Worshing.
I mean, come on, could there have been a better a better
1970s kicker name? Who?
What's that Sounds like an episode that John Boyce needs to
need to cover because he does the like the Skorgami series
seems right up the alley. The.
Secret base stuff, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I don't know why. At least we snuck in our our
ones here before the the entire lobby went down.
They do they they should do a long like a history of the
Browns. They did a history of my Seattle
Mariners and they went through how weird of a of a lifespan the
Seattle Mariners team has had. And it was like a whole series.
It was like 3, you know, like hour long episodes or something.
I absolutely loved it with all those visuals and stuff and all
these quirks about, you know, you learn about like these like
relief pitchers getting in a fight in the 1980s and all this
like random stuff and then also the stuff that you knew.
And anyway, just a super funny. Do you guys want to lock lock?
This in we could also include the Herbert with this if we, you
know, if we're committed to that now we have just run this
Herbert thing three ways. This is a 28X.
That's pretty. Fun.
Let's do it. I'm gonna grab another drink.
All right, there's one more for you guys, same core, just with
the the Sutton Cutty in there as well.
All right. There's that Smith, right?
That's. The mate is the part.
Great, great. Beautiful.
Nice little. 6 yard young man. Didn't he get the first carry of
the game too? Yeah, yeah.
Is Hayden Hurst active? I really need 3 tutties from.
I thought I did see you as activated for this game.
Well, I don't have any tutties yet.
There's Watson. This is one of the most
hilarious rotations. It's like you talk about teams
that rotate a drive or a series or and it's just like yo every.
Every way, you better be, you better.
As soon as your tackles, you're up, you're looking to the
sidelines, you're doing the the oh, I'm out, OK.
Yeah. I was grabbing a drink.
Pull estimate gave us a good run there right to start.
Yeah, and then they immediately brought Watson in.
Oh, now we got Mims. Nice.
God, let's, let's lock up this. Let's.
Get that catch. They're going to hand this off
to him. I don't know.
They're on the screen, Franklin. Yeah, damn dude.
He's really excited that he probably caught a pass we.
All are. I've got him live in something,
one of the like puppies or something.
I was like, well I've been some big boards and I just assume he
must be on there. My my.
Vote to be. This year's AT Perry.
Wasn't it like week 18 AT Perry went off last year?
Like that's gonna be the Troy Franklin.
Like he's gonna go for like 2. 102 man in week 18 in the week
18, that's perfect. Mims in the backfield again.
Oh my God. Mims, come on.
No, don't do that. At least he picked it up.
This team has 19 running backs and we have Marvin Bibs fumbling
pitches in the backfield. John Payton, I he, he's one of
the biggest coaching enigmas man.
Like you either love him or you hate him kind of a thing.
Like I, I within the same games, I sometimes I don't know how to
ever say I love him, but like kind of admire some of the stuff
that he does. And then I'm like, Oh my God, it
over yourself, please. It is interesting.
Oh, Mimps is back in the backfield again.
We got another toss on the very next play.
Oh, that's amazing. Throw it to Mimps.
Throw it to. He could have chucked that
inside the Mims. Mims getting a lot of a lot of
run here. I, you know, I was thinking
about the other day because of, of how well Ross has done, you
know, in another system. But then at the same time, well,
that point's cut short. It's like, Nope, not going to
speak over that. I think he needs a specific type
of quarterback. You know, he's got a system that
the quarterback better be able to run his system.
And I think Knicks is kind of that dude, like that was the
thing that some of us did talk about this offseason.
Like I've I've seen some some comments that are like no one
expect this from the Broncos. I'm like, dude, stealing lines.
I took their win total over as a ladder and they've all hit
because like for some of the like that, I mean, like Seagull
was really on it as well. There's some people that talk
about they were you. They were, Peyton felt hamstrung
by Russ Wilson last year. They were hiding Russ Wilson.
And you go to a rookie who people had a lot of question
marks about. And I understand people say,
well, they're going to get they're going to get worse.
But they were still like 7 and 10 or something with Ross as a
quarterback that they basically didn't trust at all.
And then this year you go to a quarterback that actually has
the potential to fit, even if he's not like, you know, a
better quarterback necessarily, but he fits better.
He's like, that's the way I remember writing it up in like
the offseason signal stuff is he might just be a better fit for
what Sean Payton needs to do. And if Peyton's able to, like, I
do think he's a reasonably good coach at like getting results,
like keeping games close. And that's why he went 7:00 and
10:00 last year, even though he didn't even trust his
quarterback, right? Like they had a good defense
last year, but it wasn't this good.
Their defense has gotten a lot better too.
But I mean, they're they're a playoff team.
They're like, if you can run this offense reasonably well,
that you're going to be a playoff team because their DS
good, you know, like. You just, you don't seem to make
like a ton of dumb mistakes either, which obviously speaks
the the coaching, the. Other thing I so Ben, we talked
about we, we had a Ravens game on here.
We're prepping for stuff. And I was talking about the open
scores and I was like, it's kind of funny because all these dudes
have like high open scores and like, what's more likely that
they're all like the Ravens just found the best route runners in
the league or there's a scheme here that's like getting these
guys open. And so I was looking at open
score and yak score from a team level is a, is a way to kind of
like try to measure your scheme a little bit.
And New Orleans has a few of the best scores with combining that
in that way. That was a Mims target that went
into the stands. If Mims was 19 feet tall, he
might had a crack at that. Sorry, I built.
What did you say about? No, I built this little scheme
score thing and it it has several of the New Orleans
seasons, but only when Peyton was there.
It dries up. It dries up as soon as it dries
up after 2019. So as soon as he's gone, or
maybe 2020 is the last one, but I think he was there for that.
So it's like all the Peyton years and then once he's gone,
like it's a right, you know, it's he's he's I think, doing
some stuff. It's but he needs you to do the
stuff he knows how to do as a member.
Got it. There's a third go water.
That's awesome. They were all those really high
catch rate plot passes too. Couple wide receiver screens and
A and a swing. Yep.
Welcome to stream. With that. 4 right we need. 4
Thank you. Oh, we do have a stretch.
That's right, yeah. We do have, we do have a stretch
where we have it to four that also needs the gust lower to
stay in check and then lad to hit 89 1/2.
So got some really nice things cooking right now.
Yeah. Are you willing to do?
Exciting. Gretchen, you want to do it.
This is why I'm hot in rendition.
If we hit This is why I'm. Hot.
I was just thinking about it, Yeah.
That feels hot because. Some.
Fly. How?
How's your week going, Steph? You got you got best ball pod
fever. Yeah, I I do I I got 12 teams
through total. I got 3 BBMS and estimate unique
on two of them where I'm the only one in the pod with them.
I have Josh Palmer in one for some reason.
So it's funny how these teams end up, but so yeah, so the
game's going decent here for me. It's looking, I mean, more than
I was expecting to get a festimate, you know, in this
week possibly. So nice to have a little cushion
and hopefully we get some pickups so.
Yeah, the are are you done with the?
Did you do a a A column this week?
No, we stopped for the season now.
Yeah. Because most people aren't doing
waivers through the play offs. Really right, Just if you're in
like your your own home leagues, No, no more high stakes waivers.
I mean, and even then it's like one team.
Yeah, exactly. And you and you managed it well.
So you. Know I'm like you, you I'm like
you can't. You can message me in discord if
you have a specific question. That was like we were doing, I
do the LG show for Fantasy Life and the producers come up with
these topics and one of them was like, should we be worried about
like Nick Westbrook Akane? And I'm like, I don't know who
this segment is for because anyone who made it to Week 16,
they're they're not needing to rely on Nick Westbrook Akane.
Anyone who's playing DFS ain't playing Nick Westbrook Akine.
This. I was like, I don't know who
this yet. Yeah, you should be concerned
about Nick Westbrook, Akide right now.
I mean, maybe if you're betting is propped down his touchdown
props. I know what watch him go off now
after I went on that. Yeah, he's going to be like the
key this. Week he's been DNP this week so
really lucky. Yeah.
I bought you about today, but I know yesterday he was when I was
looking through. All right, the injury report.
So who are your Who are your biggest sweats across your best
ball portfolio? I am a Lions fan.
OK. Almond raw, I have Gibbs on a
team but it's not a BBM and then I have him on a rookies and
sophomore, but he's 100% owned there.
So that was. Both of my BBM semis are are
almond raw teams too. I'm with you.
Nice. Yeah, he's on all three of mine.
I did go through, I made a spreadsheet of where I have
unique leverage and like all my teams.
So it it makes it really easy and nice to see.
So some clean sweats and some of the smaller contents.
I have one where I have like Jamar Chase and I'm the only one
in a pod and some crazy things. Yeah, wow.
I have an older man to Chase Brown on that team too.
OK. I got one through and it's Chase
Brown or not. Well, it is Chase Brown, but
it's Jamar. Chase, Jamar.
Chase Nico Collins. Nico's cut Nico's unique.
I've seen some unique. Happen to have Nico?
Yeah, that's fun. I have a Nico team somewhere
too. Leonie shared that he did the
BBM simulator and I came by a second.
You were a. Second, yeah, I can look for a.
Little. Let's go, lad.
Yeah. So couple times and it didn't
have any winning and I was like, this thing's broken.
He he updated it. This is B bmdb.com I think now
with because he got the pod data.
So now it's more advanced than it was even before.
I didn't play by the way. Oh God.
TSU Rams. Oh no, yeah, right.
The I'm having Patrick PD behind B bmdb.com on After Dark on
Saturday so I'm excited to. To get to know him better.
Yeah, this is a. It's such a fun.
I had only seen one SIM and I was second and now I've seen a
bunch more and I'm not second in those.
And. I don't like it as much making
it's making me think my odds are not as strong as I was feeling.
Yeah, I was showing. That 750 Ki felt pretty good
about it. I should I should just have our
I should just have producer Nick screen share this and I just
have Nick just roll just like the swap may be like all night
until we get one that we like here.
Bad. How many?
What is? What is the?
Math How many How many teams are left right now?
How many pods are there? 11 of 16 get in and it's 535 or
something final. Yeah, I know that the final's
535, but. It's a lot more than I thought.
So it's like. 8. 1000, it's like 8000 plus, Yeah, yeah.
So it might take a while to roll and see your name right at the
top. I mean last time I got my name
like right away. Again, me being 2nd and Leonie's
earlier, how do you think that I was going to be on this?
Like the second spin, but no. There it is 8624, so it's been
for a while. Get your screenshot equity.
So apparently I don't have the best team left or the second
best team, so my reality is being broken in real time right
now. Trying to see where I have
memes. I think I have some memes too.
Asshole Pinky Toes was the name there.
Yeah, Memes is on my big board. You did miss a MIM sketch,
probably David Flood. You sure did and.
Poodle. This is why I'm hot.
You got the three. Oh, there's there's our guy,
Vogie Berra. When when you said that, I was
trying to think of the lines because there's a there's a
verse where he goes through like a bunch of different cities,
like a lot of those old rap songs used to, like the Petey
Pablo song used to and all those.
But there's a part where he talks about soon as I hit LA and
like, I mean, they're playing in LA anyway.
OK, I'm not good enough to, I'm not good enough to pull it out,
but. I've got no timber there.
That is the cool thing too with the SIM.
You can click on it, dink piece it first.
Dink piece. BT Rs having a night over here.
It's a winning BB. Wow.
Oh, I. Didn't know you could actually.
Click on the light up. Yes, Steph, Steph, read these
instructions. You see this, right?
Here. Well, it didn't.
It didn't have that on the original 1 I don't think.
This dev is always shipping, always making improvements.
Matt, you're late. You're going to have to give us
20 push ups. Yeah. 20 push ups.
You got all right. Stone.
All right, let's get the lab TD here, huh?
Yeah, it'd be nice. It'd be nice.
Yeah, let's get that out of the way.
We. Got lad on our.
Oh, there. You go.
And bathology. Wow, mythology.
I didn't realize until I was checking out the BBMDB he had
the highest scoring regular season team.
Yeah, about. Like 500 points.
And it got it got bounced in round one.
No, that sucks and there was no prize for it this year.
They should have at least kept. Some, but I think he got like
six or seven through still, he had a really awesome.
Yeah, yeah, he he's got a lot of I was watching a stream he did
earlier today with Tyler and Bendel's and they had some nice
teams through so. Nice.
It is rough that they used to be money for that and there wasn't
money and there was money and now there's not money.
There was $1,000,000 for that. Not just money.
I mean, that's a lot of money, at least to me.
Yeah, no, that's a lot of money. Well, I, I talked to him, Matt,
about mythology about it actually, when we were at the
Dog Bowl and he, he was very at peace and still very excited
about his team. So.
Oh. He's glad he's got to be coming
up on the stretch goal. Yeah, 89 we needed.
He's up around 70 right now. Where are we?
Yeah, 70. So he's over that.
That's the this is. Yeah, but this is the core.
So the core. There you go.
The core is looking strong. Gus doesn't do anything.
The core is is good. Core's got two hits and one it's
fading. OK, that's a big hit.
Please be OK buddy. I think he's no, I don't know.
He doesn't look OK. Stinger.
I think he's all right. I think the winds just knocked
out of him. He's fine.
They're going to check him out, they're going to take him out of
the game and then they're going to go the ball of Gus for TD.
Yeah. Did his head hit the turf here?
That's going to suck if it did. No, no, he's.
Fine. No, not really.
His knee, OK, he's all right. It was something, it was
something on his knee. I think it was just hit the
pressure. Well, he had the he had the
ankle stuff, so. Yeah, I think it probably just
hurt. Yeah, it looks like.
He laid there like he was concussed, but I think he was
just like, I think he's just hurt.
Yeah, yeah, I. Think he's all right?
Yeah, it just surprised him. He's tough.
I'm waiting to see Peter Overset's name up there for our.
That's what I want to see. Oh, there's our guy Serum.
Hey. Hey, Serum.
Nice. Oh gosh, good Lord, second
touchdown. Why do they keep giving him the
ball? Dubner, There we go.
Nice. So bad out.
There one of we're getting This is about a fun exercise.
That's that's what's so that's like the biggest sweat is like,
can we just have someone we know who wins?
There's Drap, who's at the dog ball.
Yeah, he was there too. Soccer day. 3S as a grinder, I
thought that said soccer day for a second even though he has no
teams, but he got me. Elko, Dave.
Not soccer, Dave. So there's a dude to my pod who
has four quarterbacks, his running backs or he only has 5
running backs and three of them are Dave Montgomery, Alma Kamara
and Nick Chubb. But he has Gus and and these
other running. Backs.
Oh my God. That's.
Something It's actually pretty live now that he got the Gus
score. Our our pod has a a Gus team.
It's disgusting. I don't want to go look if
there's a Gus team in, am I? That would just ruin my
excitement. Pete.
Yeah, I'm gonna. That's what I'm literally doing
right now. Pete, do you mind checking the
the one where we have a Mims over 3 1/2 catch with the
stretch stuff? Didn't we do that?
Oh, that's this one. OK, yeah, OK.
That one looks good too. If we get to LAD 90, that's the
one you were talking about of this.
Yeah. And then LAD 90 here also opens
up estimate getting 13 more like.
And then we have this one where we need another Mims, but still
the Gus with the Sutton. Like everything is live right
now, but it can get absolutely decimated by Gus.
Sutton's got nothing. Wow.
Well, this was a touchdown. Oh, I was like damn.
Yeah, we didn't play any yardage stuff for him.
We just played the tutty OK. Gotcha.
I I avoided Gus in my 2 BBM pods I went to.
Do we do we have one? I'm trying to get us on Gus guys
That team wouldn't be. We were.
Trying also apparently trying to get us off Chase Brown.
So careful. There I did try to get us off
Chase Brown, but for Brian Robinson, which isn't the worst.
But you guys, thank God you guys got us on Chase Brown.
I took so much Brian Robinson and I didn't advance any of him
on any of my teams. I was really surprised because
he was. He was good, yeah.
He didn't have a bad season. Wasn't Chase Brown good?
He was good. He was good.
I have. It probably didn't help that he
wasn't I thought he was going to go off last week against the
Saints and it probably helped him.
He didn't have a great game this week.
B Rob yeah, that was a bummer. Those teams probably need, you
know, you kind of need him to play like he has all year when
the. Matter is awesome.
I snap share rush share of the year, 20 plus carries catching
balls. It just didn't score it.
Just didn't. Know it so.
I was like terrified of what he was going to do to all the teams
where I don't have him. And then he didn't do a lot of
what's that? The last one was that JJ
Zacharison has just won. Or not.
I don't think so. I was half looking at it.
I thought I saw. No, he, I, I forget his
username. It's something random.
We are streaming, so we could circle back on that.
Let's shut down the stream. There's Bullock and 2nd.
Oh yeah. Sorry I'm I'm clicking it so
fast that then I miss it when there's one to stay on.
Tom hates Underdog was the name there.
He won't if he finishes there. If he wins the thing and his
name's Tom hates underdog Josh. Norris doing that interview.
Yeah, we need, we need Denver to keep scoring.
So there's no that Gus is really just getting the short yardage
stuff and nothing else. I missed the line you guys had
on Gus and it dropped so I was scared so I took a slightly
bigger under. You move that you, you choose
it. Says I'm going to get.
Arthritis bite. I'd send buddy I draft like 350
battle Royale tapes a week clicking buttons, buddy.
We've we've built up the dexterity for a, for a tool like
this. Don't you worry.
In his prime, you click all night.
Clicking buttons that's. What we do, oh, it's something
in his elbow. Herbert, they're doing some
maintenance on his elbow. Shoot him up.
Yeah, did. They just.
Chimer. No, that was.
Like a roaming elbow. That was like a cold cold laser
therapy. What?
Was. It was it was it who had the
giant elbow. We were all kind of freaking
out. I don't.
Remember. That's not right about.
I remember. Heard giant elbow.
It was some like it was some Bursitis or something.
We're like, that's not how an elbow looks.
There's Eric. It was Eric who was it?
Yeah, Help me out. It was like.
Because there was the. Picture that came out and it
looked like. Jayden Elbow.
Yeah, it was Jayden Daniels. It was Jayden Daniels.
It was like his elbow, and it looked like his elbow started
here and his arm was, like connected halfway through his
arm. It was kind of crazy.
Partly the angle of the picture. Oh, God, that's disgusting.
Yes. What?
It's like, what is going on? It looks like his bicep's eating
his arm. That is.
That's it. OK, there's another one there
where he's working. Out, yeah.
What's the thing? It's like party's anatomy.
OK, that's weird and I want to fade him the rest of his career.
I know, that's why. He's too.
Low on him. Is that a thing that's that
can't until August to realize that he was the running a
running quarterback drive. The second overall was a good
pick. That's going to shatter.
They just fumble. It was.
A50.
He was just a. Catcher A A pick.
They were fighting for it. Yeah, I.
Always had it. Like they were not letting go.
And they're saying Broncos. How he goes to the runner.
Yeah, that, that's what I would think.
Oh, Nick is running off the field.
Yeah, that's Chargers. No, Javonte's just not good.
Well, just gave him the ball. Oh, that might be that.
That's simultaneous. That's an interception.
No, that's not other punting. No, that's why.
I was like, he looked like he had that, yeah.
Yeah. Oh wow, Nick is calling a shot
says my wife just yelled from the other room.
If I wanted anything from Taco Bell, we are definitely ringing
the bell tonight. Wow.
Hell yeah. Damn dude.
That's why he married her. I'm.
Willing to ring the bell with you?
She's just ringing the bell like.
Preemptively. You know.
Just it's. Not I.
Mean yeah, the achievers. Completely unrelated to the
football game. She's just ringing the bell to
ring it. How do you know she doesn't
watch the stream? Maybe she's a.
Fan it's so funny we managed to have because she yelled from the
other room. Unless this is a a. 2.
Are they watching the same show in different rooms?
Yeah. Clicking some of these.
This is such a shift. Chaser team here.
Justin Fields, Chase Brown, Kendra Villa, Ray Davis,
Buckettier of Xavier Worthy, Jordan Addison, Roshi Rice,
Waddell Robinson, Devantes Walker.
Terrific bride. Amazing.
Spot that from a mile. To a team.
Justin Fields in the 18th round. Yeah.
Man, that's great. See.
They're not watching the the game together.
Her friend is over in there, tipsy and hungry.
Amazing. I've done that a couple times
this year where I've had I've had Taco Bell prior to the show.
For some reason it's like but she apparently is not running on
that. There you go, 3rd place.
I don't know how to say it, but that's our guy.
Oh. Yeah, Rokash, right.
Yeah, you're right. I think this thing might be
broken. Yes, I should have shown you
right now. Yeah, it's definitely broken.
I mean, we've, we've seen like 25 friends, but it's not us.
So it's definitely broken. I mean, before, like I said, I
was showing up on everybody, so I like the first.
Ryan, are you making that up? Today was the day Taco Bell got
chicken Nuggets on the menu. I saw this.
Yeah, I saw an ad for that somewhere.
That's a real thing. Why?
Yeah. Well, guess I'm going to Taco
Bell tomorrow. I just got to find out, you know
what it's like. Look at this team.
Who? Goes to the Taco bar.
Chicken. Nuggets.
I mean I. Why would like?
Are you this running back room for sick fart one?
This is 6-7. That's incredible.
Dude, the the receiver room is good though.
Dude, this is a good. His first 8 picks were six
receivers and two quarterbacks and that was it.
It's like I'm just like all running backs dude.
So wait, so he got 4th? What?
Fourth round Keenan. OK, yeah, I guess this makes
sense. Fourth round Hertz, Yeah.
Fifth round Hertz. Fifth round Keenan.
Yeah. Sixth round with Dunes, A
seventh round JSN. Eighth round Burrow.
Ninth round Brock. Yep. 10th round Chase, That's
nice. All right, there's there's
Palmer again. I was prepared for this to be a
doctor. Let's go, Palmer.
They have fire ranch sauce and bell sauce and dude mustard
sauce. Sick fart.
I might have to ring the bell tonight just to try some chicken
nuggies. We had Chipotle little bit ago.
Somehow I have take out Mexican fast food every every Thursday.
But you're getting Nuggets at the Mexican restaurant.
Wow. So it doesn't count.
Listen, when you're a Taco Bell faithful, you got a you got a
sample the the local fare. How much cushion do we have?
When you go to Italy, you try the pasta, you go to Taco Bell,
you try the chicken Nuggets. This is the way.
It works. How about I go to Italy and try
the pasta and you're going to Taco Bell that.
Sounds like a good deal. Yeah, Gus, wait.
How much cushion do we have? Not enough. 10 yards Did Gus
what? What did he do?
He. Just had a run.
He keeps getting the ball. We have the under, yeah.
Why is he getting so many carries?
It all looked good. It looked a lot better than.
His longest 6? Gus Edwards in this game.
He's got 10 carries for 27 yards.
He's got 2.7 yards. Per OH.
Leone. Oh, there he is, runner up.
Oh nice, so he's got now. This one is pretty good.
Tight ends are in in rough shape.
Keon Coleman, what a Homer. Here, let me take a screenshot
of this Pete close up, OK? Yeah, because he sent you one of
you. You got to repay the favor.
I got to send him one back, thank you.
I wonder PD should set up a YouTube channel like BBMDB
YouTube and just have a script that auto runs it and you just
tap in. He's got some low 5 beats and
it's just that would be cool. Roll it.
Yeah, here you go. Yeah, it's just this.
No, I would do that. You know what you could work
out? Yeah, that would keep me
forever. Yeah, this is getting.
I could get a bike and just do this for 40 minutes easy.
I wish you there was a counter that told you how many times
you've pushed the simulator. That would be bad.
Oh man. It's a good, it's a good track
and says there's technically statistical world where all four
of you finished top five. Just keep clicking and it will
happen. Sometime there's Philly in the
discord. There probably actually isn't,
because our teams probably aren't similarly correlated
enough, right? Like, yeah, that's true.
It's probably not actually possible to get all of our teams
to be the top 4, You know what I mean?
You would need like, insane score.
Like whoever we share would have to score like 130 million.
Yeah, we're not my. Team.
'S extreme until. Every situation we're seeing is
all these lineups are, are pretty correlated, right?
They have to be right. All right.
Oh, we just got a rocking the passer.
There's ash coats the. Stream has devolved since
Sessler left. He's actually still here.
He's in. He's in the hopper.
We just bumped him for bbmdb.com.
And it's really since I just seems just leaving it one no.
Yeah, somebody posted him. Somebody posted it in the
Discord like right before. Liam would be.
It is it honestly like again, you know, I I talked about this
you. Chilled out many foots.
Lols today and like. That's a horse collar and a hip
drop. Jeez.
Dude, that's perfect. Yeah, I was like, what was her
Herbert doing? Herbert was you could call an
offensive face mask there. It's like they were like, you
know what, this one's worse than the other one.
We're calling it on the defense. What he did was worse.
Well, they protect the quarterback usually, so.
That was. Get a big, get a big lad play.
Yeah, come on, stop giving the ball.
No, they're in the freaking pistol.
They're going to hand this off. They don't even have that out.
Oh, no, he's out there. OK, He's in the slot.
No check down, no check down, no check down.
Oh my God, why? How is Edwards getting so many
targets too? That's the thing.
It's like. Do do they watch how he plays?
Well, still, he has two too many.
I know he has two catches all year.
I think he has three targets all season.
Yeah, 3 targets and two catches all season.
He's already got two and one catch in this game.
There's Ollie Ham bro. Nice.
All. Righty.
I love seeing the 6th place payout at 230-9490 it's so
funny. Nice.
I would take that. It's not well-rounded.
I could. I could overlook.
I'd live with it. I could live with it.
Here's a vital play. Do you have this?
Receiving. Oh, we gotta.
Probably. Look how much we're.
Explosive. I played him just the fantasy
points. Might be holding.
Oh nice. It's gonna be OPI or or
ineligible. As quick as that was on the
field. I think they might have been
blocking down field too early. I mean like it could be holding,
but I think it would be OPI. Oh, offside, you line up in the
neutral zone. That makes sense.
He's not in the neutral zone. Did he jump?
Oh, he jump. Mythology.
Nice again. Yeah.
The first Oh no, Just how? Many teams.
Let me see. The team.
Let me see the team. Yeah.
Jane Daniels concerned about his elbow, JT.
Pretty good running. Back to hold the the ball across
the end zone. We've got a puka team in.
It's a good team, guys. Brian Thomas a good team.
I did not mean to see Trey McBride and Johnny Smith on this
team. And how about?
Ben said it it's. A pretty good team.
He took Trey McBride over Dalton Kincaid in this.
What a poser. I bet Kincaid was.
Gone even like the Bills did. Actually, we can.
Find out I got to say. It's.
Until we can look at the draft. Is there no bills on this team?
It's the only team he's ever drafted with no bills, and it's
going to win that whole thing. Dude, money.
Money changes people, man. Yeah, it really does.
Liam has been talking about this team for a.
While oh hilarious of. Course.
He has. This.
Is nobody jerks off to their teams better than Liam?
No. One right?
QJ. FJ first down flag.
The Broncos have not had the ball for a really long time,
which is frustrating for our estimate stuff because of the
oh, they had like a quick 3 now and then a punt, no.
I can't. Come on.
No same team. I don't like this universe guys,
can we? Oh, it's the same.
Same. Team that keeps winning you're
proving how good the team is no stop it yo Eddie, I I, I very
much appreciate what you've added to the community but.
Fix your site. Fix your.
Site, bro. Oh my God, it's in second a
third time. Oh no.
No, this is a different team. What is the?
Different one ETN Robinson Quorum.
This team's not nearly as strong.
This is the worst thing that's ever happened.
To a ship chasing. Three good team.
We just got Liam three times in a row.
Lad, lad, lad, lad. Yeah, this is bad.
He doesn't have Lad right? So this is.
Ryan says this will get clipped by Liam and a skeet on Blue Sky
by tomorrow. Skeet.
Skeet's doing extra work in this in this.
Man, three more yards for Ladd to hit that stretch.
He's. Going to get there.
I feel good about that. It's still the third quarter.
He's there, dude. He's had multiple catches in
every quarter like they're they're in.
There's a close. No Gus, No Gus, No Gus.
Wow. Darius Davis.
That is not what I wanted. Oh, we got a flag.
Why is Herbert looking like? Yeah, Herbert looked.
No, I think he's. I think it.
Was he didn't have him on his BBM team either.
He's just really, really high from the injection, right?
That's. Did I do that or am I still
seeing things? What did?
This guy get on our roster. Man, that was this.
That was an incredible throw. That's an.
Awesome throw. We we meant to play cancer.
The touchdown. He's really one of the most fun
players. He's so good, man.
It's so much talent. Wow.
When people talk about arm talent, like it's Justin
Herbert, man. I mean, it's just and Allen and
Allen and, yeah, I mean, my home's like, oh, these guys have
arm talent. But Herbert is, yeah.
He's good, yeah. Oh my, that's just Palmer.
That's Palmer. Wow, Palmer, I knew you had it
in you. I.
Literally never would have believed he had that in him.
Until he got on my BBMT, that's the only time I started having
faith in him. I.
Was sick. I need to see the slomo.
On this tweet that I I had no idea that John no.
Way that's. And then sick.
Wow. And then, wow, look at those
toes. Dude that is insane.
He like he had. Such good body control there.
He I mean, he didn't even need to be as inbounds as he was.
It's. Like even the bad players are
really good in the NFL. His own.
Tip that that was impressing. Impressive there.
Man, so let's see the one that doesn't involve.
Yeah. How many guys?
Yeah. Is Gus in Nothing early?
Gus isn't getting there. I saw faith.
No, I do too, but it's yeah, so so a big sweat here because I I
mean, I think lads, let's you know, knock on wood going to get
another catch here, but estimate man, if we could get him popping
off a run because this one, this is a sick one.
This was a 50 to to 1400 burger here.
We need the Broncos to score so they stop using Gus.
There's enough time. This is the drive where we could
get that they got to go to estimate a little bit.
It looks like they're best. Bad.
But are. We only need, what is it, 14
yards? I mean, if they go to one first
down and he gets like an 8 yard carry, we're going to be like,
all right, I'm in good shape. Yeah.
All right, back to work. Do we need any more men's
catches or everything? I don't know, man, I'm a little
bit shook. Just Liam's just popping up here
in the top. Three, yeah, I know.
I don't think I can handle anymore like you know.
I heard, I heard a conspiracy that Liam actually has been
sliding PD some $100 bills under the table to overweight his team
in The Sims. That makes sense.
I mean, that one team doesn't look like it needed it.
That was a good team. Just that now you're
masturbating to this team. It's a good team, man.
There's Nick badge, bro Hooper. I respect The Sims, you know, I
respect The Sims. If you're my turtle, the
dopamine rush for me is literally has nothing to do with
like, oh wow, you have a good. It's just like, oh, I recognize
that name. I.
Know it really is. Who do I know?
Astro Mang. Yeah, when we called it a Liam
year, what we really meant was a Liam decade.
I guess we did. All right, let's get a Mims
Catch an estimate jaunt followed by a Sutton TD.
Yeah, So what next week is? Come on, we should know.
We accept. She or no?
So Wednesday is Christmas and then so we have Seahawks Bears
as our final ship cast next week.
So how many Seahawks and Bears do you guys get through?
I don't know what I have for those I'm I'm bummed that I
don't have a a JSN team. I don't have any JSN.
Yeah, I had a JSN on that one that got bumped the the bump.
On DK, yeah. Let's go estimate.
Come on buddy. Come on.
I swear to God, just let him have one more carry
back-to-back. Could you not Jake him like he
needs his like? Let him get holler or something.
It looks like you might be standing because you took you
wrote at one point that he was one of your highest drafted
players, right? Who?
And he's been good sharps. Yeah, I don't.
I don't have him on on any teams either.
Walker practiced in full today, guys.
He did. Yeah, and did Did sharps
practice? Nope.
Yeah, I don't think so. Man, he's like myself, Andrew
Avante. This is ridiculous.
What? Is he did get, he did get 5
yards there. So now we're down to 9 is all we
need. Is that a backwards no, no, no,
it got bad, OK. I just I also like how many
other I haven't. I heard like running backs talk
about it too, about getting in a rhythm with.
Harry yes, yeah, that's. A That's what I'm saying.
Yeah. Like it.
It's really infuriating. You've never heard of Sean
Payton back? Talk about that, though.
It's really weird. I mean this, this is strange
even for Peyton. Peyton, I don't recall when he
had like Ingram and Camara and everything that he was rotating
them every snap. No like this seems excessive.
He almost. Seems on tilt he hasn't.
Gotten enough of the guys he wanted and he's just like, I'm
rotating them every time to make sure I get the guys enough snaps
and he's throwing to Michael Burton.
This is the this is such a Broncos thing that we Burton
already has a TD catch. Nate Adkins has two catches now.
Burton just got his second. They've 2 full backs that have
two catches at this game each. John Payton is in his Hunter
Lupke era right now. He's like.
That's exactly what he is. Is he practicing to be the next
Cowboys? Coach, we should have just
picked off all the hires. Like give us a random Bronco.
We just take the hire. That's right.
Anything that's like 5.5 yards. Yeah, that's a higher.
Yeah. Oh, you idiots sit underdog.
Let us have Michael Barton, Nate Adkins, you fools.
Is that estimate? Oh, no, it's it's Watson.
It's Watson. Yeah, we got to get all three of
them. Mims, Mims, Oh, Mims, calm point
there. No, that that was that was on
the dude. He was behind the defense.
I know maybe he still should have caught it, but that ball's
got to get farther down field. That was horrible.
Nice to get the ball out. There, he's got 5 yards of
separation. Yeah, he was just running into
the end zone. Look at the ball skills.
Yeah, that's, come on, That's not on man's bat.
It's not good. Oh, Nick's saying.
My bad. Oh, Nick's is saying on me like
it's on me. He went up for that.
Like I would like just like, like, come on.
Oh, Javonte. 2nd and 10. Run 1 1/2 yards in a cloud of
dust every time. What are we doing?
Yeah. This is crazy. 9 yards for
estimate. Obviously we get there throw.
I agree God, he had so much separation.
That would have been our 4th catch and I have him in in
something and I was looking at it and I was like, man, if he
gets a big play later, like that's that's the main reason I
responded or like. Yeah me too.
I I have him in like 3 teams and he's like unique in all the pods
I think. Right, yeah, I have him in one
of my two BBMS and I and I it's like not it's thin it at flex.
It's a David Montgomery team and Jonathan Brooks team, so like,
if Mims actually had that long TD right there, he would have
had a super usable week. It would have been nice.
Yeah, I have like I have a couple.
Of long. Teams too.
Because then once we get if we get Broncos in a negative game
script, the estimate stuff is going to be shot.
I mean, they they literally have a role for estimate in its first
carry on every drive in it, nothing else.
That's literally his role on the team.
It's crazy because he looked really good early.
This is the Sean Payton stuff where this is the stuff that's
madding about him. He over thinks it a little bit
because he got other carries at first drive because he had the
touchdown at the end as well. It's like he writes out his
entire like plan and will not right go off script no matter
what happens. It's like, Nope. 2nd Dr. He had
two 9 yard carries by the end of the second drive.
Hit 18, 16 rushing yards on the 1st Dr. 18 on the second.
He had 34 rushing yards by the end of the second drive.
Let's fucking go. 6th place. Yeah, chasing Dean, pull it up.
Let's take a look. The two 39490, the 239 shut the
street. It's a good score. 239 Yeah, he
scored. Oh, that's the money I couldn't
see. What is sixteenths?
Familiar. I I couldn't see you.
Did Liam score in the top ten in this or is he just like?
No, yeah, in this one, he just. Yeah.
I wonder. Why I'm not showing?
Up. What an idiot.
Team's not looking so hot now is it buddy?
Wow, the demon time out. Look at that, Deshaun Watson
could be the guy you. Need to win PPF What?
If he's the guy, you. Need.
I do like that it's a Drake May team for you guys so.
Yeah, that is fun. The team I have in the semis is
not a Drake May team. I have a few Derrick May teams
in other. Not a BBM, but.
Yeah, I have a DK Mellie. That's Drake May.
I I literally bought this for a second.
Please Scroll down because if Liam is at 11th that I had to
look. This is a nice SIM.
It's. A good one.
You you don't get greedy, you just you just lock up your 6th
place finish and you move on. Yeah, that's.
Right. Good, good sight.
I'm good sight. Excellent.
Fixing the sight. Good stuff.
Thanks. Appreciate that.
Awesome. I still I still need to click
when I get off of this till I hear.
Yeah, Pat was always going to get a Drake made Jalen Warren.
Rico Dowdell team there. It is so funny because it's like
we all have our biases, but to see them shine on a May 2nd
draft is hilarious. I know, I know.
Yeah. I mean, it's also got Javonte,
which is, which is me. I had Chase Brown, right too, I
think. Yeah, I had Chase Brown.
Yeah, probably which you guys got us on.
It had, oh, we spent half the stream arguing about Brian
Thomas. It did not, was not on the team
and we never or argue about him. I was out with the idea of
drafting him because I think Jaden Reed felt to us in the
sixth. I think I probably would have
pushed us to try to take Thomas there, but he it was never a
discussion. We were just talking about the
rookie wide receiver prices. Yeah.
The Brian Thomas thing is so funny for me.
I like, I'm certainly wouldn't chalk it as a win at all, but I
got, I had a subscriber mention that they were, they're in there
like semis of their home league or whatever.
They're super excited and they're like, you know, a lot
you we get these messages this time of year.
Subscribers are really grateful and, you know, it's all thanks
to you and all the stuff. And he's like you, you
specifically got me on Brian Thomas because his price got
lower and then I had him as a target in August.
But like, I spent all off season on ship chasing, being pretty
out on him in basketball in the like 60s, right.
Yeah, yeah. I didn't want to take him over
like Kittle specifically. I was like, I don't look like he
might flip. Oh, Doomsday.
And you were like, that's dumb. And you know, and I wanted the
the three vets, the three vets over him, which were Rashi Rice,
JSN and Deonte Johnson, which the last one didn't work out,
but I was like, those guys need to be over BTJ and LAD.
And I mean, a couple of those were right.
But like JSN looks good. I mean, I don't know.
Brian Thomas looks like he's that's not true.
Like it's not, it wasn't right to take JSN over him.
Brian Thomas looks like he's the rookie late season eruption that
we're always searching for. I wish I was on him the whole
offseason like I I, I counted as a mess that I was ever like, no,
you got on him. You got on him when the punch
went down, which is the right way to play like you, you
weren't as I mean, his prospect profile was very boom bust.
It's just like it was it was just a very boom bust prospect
profile like this is three years.
Only the third year was really good.
Somebody asked me about it in my signals gold Q&A stream this
week and I was was talking through it and I was like, you
know, it's really similar to Cal Pitts where you like you get the
draft capital. It's three years, it's the third
year's really good. There's production there, but
like, I mean, and and look, it didn't work out for Pitts.
Like there's that's that's the risk because you're like,
there's not enough of a sample here to be certain that he's
that good, but he's that good. Like Brian Thomas is that good?
He's really fucking good at football.
I think part of it for him was you had the neighbors element
where like. Neighbors looks.
Like an absolute superstar. And he produced, what, 17
touchdowns alongside that guy. So you're yeah, if if neighbors
this is is amazing, then he's probably really good.
Yeah. For sure.
Get him, get him. Let's go.
Two yards in a cloud at us, although that's two more yards
closer. It was one.
How many are they going to fucking give him?
Yeah, this. Is not a sweat, whether it's one
or two yards. I know this under's not been
fun. I mean, we were going to take
the under on on like what was that?
Rushes And I think he's already gone over that.
At least he's way over the efficiency of the.
Way, yeah, at least. At least you went on the yards.
01 yard. But I was really confident they
were not going to run this much. They've run a lot in this game.
They're talking on like the mainstream, like fantasy, like I
don't know, network show when I had it on the background getting
getting ready, like how the Chargers haven't been running as
much and they're like they need to get back to the run.
They're talking about getting back to the run more and getting
back to their roots and. Sure.
You know, that's the thing. They've really abandoned it.
So it makes sense that then then you think you need to get back
to it. But I mean, look, like, look at
the box score guys, 11 for 28. That's Gus Edwards's rushing
line. That's not what you're just
giving up downs. Now you're at 3rd and 9:00
because you ran on 1st and 10 for one yard and then you got a
ball and knocked down and OK, third and long set yourself up
great. Can't just give up downs in the
NFL. Look.
At that. Wow.
Like you literally might lose this game because you ran on 1st
and 10 there. That's The funny thing about the
NFL, right? Where it's like there's a whole
thing of like, if you can't run, then like the the you'll be
predictable and it'll be that's like, that's all true.
But the solution isn't to just force a terrible running game.
Like if you if you can't run, then you can't run.
So don't run. Pat Yeah, you got to do like
what what Peyton's been doing where you start doing a lot of
really creative shit you throw to your full backs as your run
game. Like, sure, honest God.
But like, yeah, that's what Miami's doing.
Miami's Miami's been efficient. They they sucked last week, but
they've been efficient generally despite HN has the lowest
rushers ever expected of any running back in the league.
And yet there's they're getting production out of out of a Chan
through the passing game, out of Jonnu Smith.
Tyree kills numbers the way down, but he's still productive
relative to normal receivers. It's all run game extension
stuff. They can't walk in inside the
tackles, so they throw out wide and then they run out there.
But it's high success rate. It's the concept of running the
ball, setting yourself up with the chains.
But you don't have to just keep calling runs up the middle to
Gus Edwards. No one's making you do that.
Tua. Tua has the highest success rate
of any quarterback in the league.
That makes sense. I mean, but these, these, it's
terrible. You watch it and it's like slow.
It takes forever. But when you say.
Success rate, it makes sense because it's, it's it's
literally so much of it literally as just a quick throw
to the to the permit. Yeah.
And then it's a catch and it's an insanely quick time to throw.
They have a super low pressure rate because they get the ball
out immediately. It's it's I don't like it.
It's not fun, but it's because you're kind of like they took
their run game and they put it into the passing game.
It's sharp. Yeah.
You know, they they found a way to get the same type.
You can't walk inside. So we'll just get the ball to
the perimeter and it's it's really high catch rate stuff.
Really high success rate stuff. Yes, yeah.
I mean, like, great. It's better than running Gus
Edwards into the line on 1st and 10 for one yard.
Probably a lot better than running Gus Edwards into the
line. You don't want like second and
nine. You've done something wrong.
I mean like you either can run or you can't.
Yeah. I'd rather, I mean, I would
rather have second and 10 than second and 9:00.
But like, at least that says, like, you tried to throw the
ball and you had an incompletion, you know?
Yeah. But they're wearing down the
defense guys. They're wearing them down.
They're getting tired. Wearing down Gus Edwards, I
know. They're wearing down me.
Gus is wearing Blake Watson to come in for him, watching that
line go up 1 yard at a time. All right, we need to direct all
our energy to a Marvin Mims catch in Audrick estimate rush
we. Know we're going to get an
estimate rush on the 1st play of the drive.
So I'm already worried that that thesis is going to get blown up
here. Yeah, it might.
Man, no moon shot with that kind of fog in LA.
Gus's long carry is 6 yards still that.
Was like I had looked at that one.
So that was in the pick em and you could bet under on his
longest rush at 9:00 and. 1/2 That's great.
But again, one of those miserable swap, we did that once
with the the Kyron Williams, or I guess it was Kyron Williams
versus Aaron Jones. That's right, yeah.
Yeah. And we also did one with like a
Noah Fant long reception, but we lost that one I think, didn't
we? We did.
That's why it why I remember, Yeah.
Yeah, I remember the Fant 1 where we had a long reception
verse Fant, but there was like a a gap and then Fant had like a
15 yarder and we're like oh, we're fucked.
Do you remember that? That one sucked too?
Yeah, like a six yard gap. And then it was like, oh, we're
screwed. Come on, that's a brutal sack to
take on 1st. Down.
It's not good. Estimate out there too, and it's
like, come on, if we're going to lose. 8 so that's on next man he
had a couple options that was spin zone.
If they can get the first down, they will run the ball on the
1st down after they convert they will they he Peyton got behind
the sticks here. If they can get out of this and
get a first down, he will run on 1st and 10 to estimate.
I'm that's a terrible sack yeah it's not good.
The ball's got to come out. You can throw it at his feet.
You got to just lower the arm angle, get it around him, throw
at his feet, incomplete. It's not that hard to do,
honestly. Wow.
Estimate he didn't come off the field Blake they're.
Not going to run it on 2nd and 20 though.
Yeah, they. Are Oh, they did.
Go, go, go. Oh, we got eight close.
We need a nine. You're.
Going to be so close. I think.
He's he's, he's one. He's too short.
He's at 40. Eight.
Oh shit. Are you I?
Hate this. Oh, Javonte is in.
No. Why?
Well, if they're not going to run it on 3rd and third team.
Yeah, they got to pick up the first.
Yeah. Here, I want Javonte in here
because they're going to throw then they're more likely to go
back to estimate if they get the first.
I'm not going to just leave the estimate in the whole drive
basically shown. They won't ever do that.
Oh, get up there. Get up now.
We can go for it. Let's go for it.
Yep. Yeah, we're at 4th and 6th now
from the 50. We're going for this.
We're going let's. Go with the efficient guy,
please. They're throwing here.
Yeah, no, I mean, that's that's why I ran on 2nd down.
That's why he has this underneath option on 3rd down.
It's to set up a 4 down territory you kind of feel like.
Marvin Mims this. Would be a shocking punt.
I mean, it would be a shockingly bad punt.
They're doing a highlight package.
Oh my. God, God, what is wrong with
them? There's 4 1/2 minutes left here
at midfield. What's it called?
Is it the the coward index or what's the?
Yeah, it's a bit. It's a coward one.
I want to see. Or maybe they're just they have
so much faith that. The thing is the charges.
Are going to run the ball with Gus three times in a row and
punt. The problem with 4 1/2 minutes
left is now if the Chargers are able to move the ball, that
yardage that they could gain back to midfield can also run so
much clock. You almost don't mind giving it
up to them at midfield. Because like, even if they get
into field goal range and kick a field goal at six, six points,
if they can go all the way to the end zone, you're fucked
anyway. Like if you can't stop them, you
can't stop them. There's only 4 1/2 minutes left.
They get multiple first downs. It's going to be tricky.
But like, if you give up a field goal, it's not the end of the
world when you get the ball back with another time for another
drive. They've put themselves in a
position where they may not get the ball back with enough time
for another drive. Now I just, I don't understand
why you give up a possession there.
It's just really, really weird to voluntarily give that up.
There's scenarios where you don't get the ball back now.
I mean, OK, so this says this, this, this punt ranks in the
97th percentile of cowardly punts of.
The 20. Four season and 93rd percentile
of all punts since 1999. Do they not have access to this
information before they make these decisions?
They've been picking up good. They have.
They've had good play calling in these spots, too.
They picked up some big third downs, like, yeah, so bizarre.
Yeah, because the Chargers had the ball for a while earlier.
Like they very well may never get back.
Well, despite all of this, the core, the core is still hitting.
We just really have to fade first down Gus right now because
we know we're going to get first down Gus.
And what do we have? How many yards?
Do we have? He's at 31.
It would also be nice to get the lad catch but my hierarchy we
have them at 87, we need them to just have get to 90.
No, I mean Gus, Gus, I can't see.
Gus isn't on. Gus isn't a picture.
Do you? So I'm asking.
Oh, my bad. Gus is at 31.
OK, 31. OK.
This is the core here, yeah. And then, yeah, up above it we
have there's the Mims one and then there's the estimate one.
Like everything is so fucking close to a sweep.
Minus the the Sutton Tuddy, but even that if they can.
Get. So we're good on that.
Or do we need one more lad? We're.
Good on lad on a couple of them, but not on the laddered 1.
This is so frustrating because they have to run the ball.
I mean nothing. I mean, thank God.
Thank God they light possessions on fire.
Yeah, but in this spot you want them to use your timeouts a
little and you have to help you can run more effectively.
But they are you're right. I mean, I would still throw it
in the charger spot. I mean, I think they might throw
it here on second hand. They keep, it's just you're not,
you're not going to hold the possession.
Yeah, both of these teams plan not to lose right now.
Yeah, I mean, they both are. I mean they both need to.
Win for playoffs. There we go.
We got Gus out of the out of the game.
Right on Q, right. On Oh my God, that's why you
kind of good for us such. An easy one to do.
Yeah. They might run it here though.
I hope Gus doesn't come back on they.
Could run it. Oh, that is a dis.
That is such a. Oh, that's so huge.
And he had two chances to secure it like.
What? That was the opposite of the
Palmer catch. I would love to see you inside
my house. Now he's like my.
Bad. I love how Yeah, I love the.
My bad. My bad.
You think that's your bad? Oh.
Shit. I would, yeah.
I could not be his. Coach final backfield.
Let's go. Lad.
Oh yeah, lad, although we kind of want to punt.
Do we still need that other live catch?
We do. Shit went out of bounds.
That's bad. And they're going to give them
the penalty. They're going to give them what?
No, no penalty, man. I kind of think they should have
to be honest. I don't even.
Know cut back into the field. I thought he earned that, that
contact. He didn't just probably did.
He probably did, but they they tend to call.
I think he got hit when he was out.
But this change of direction here is why you're going to get
hit. Yeah, you're right.
He was taking down he. Can't cut it off, but he's.
Not. Like to get hit?
He changes direction on the sideline.
That's I thought that I thought that right foot was out of
bounce. It looked like it might have
been, but even still, it's like you got to just go out.
There it is in the stream. God damn, that's the.
Longest Goss Edwards run. What in the flying fuck?
How many? Wait, that's.
A real Can you get a flag? Yes.
I can't believe that. Oh my God.
That's so brutal. That might have even ruined my
life. I'm.
Going to have a I'm going to pull up a comment that'll not
make his. And he lost a fumble at the end
of it. I I didn't even.
That's why I was like, yeah, that's I'm like waiting.
I was like wait. Did the Broncos recover?
That Gerald Gerald would be broke because he said under 9
1/2 for Gus's longest carry is free money.
Man, I can't believe he just, he just had a 43 yard carry.
Yeah. Oh, mine's dead too then.
Shit. No, I mean, honestly, we don't
deserve to lose, but the Broncos absolutely deserve to lose after
that punt do. You guys want to guess what his
long carry of the season was prior to that of the season?
14 yards. Yeah, you're too high.
It was. 90 I was right. I said 12.
I don't want anybody for that. Oh man, that was such a blade to
get there after that sequence of events.
Punt third and 10 scramble. No more unders guys.
I mean the under was it. It seemed nice, I know.
Are there Pete, are there any of the stretch ones where we didn't
have him that are live? I mean live there.
There's ones that don't have him.
Are they live? No.
Oh, that one just needs a little bit of LAD and a little bit of
estimate, huh? Yeah, yeah.
I can't believe they punted there and then they give up a 50
yard run to that sound like it. Serves you right man.
That's what I'm saying. Like it can't even be tilted
like that. They fucked that up.
Yeah, they decided to lose the game.
So what are we supposed to do? Oh my God, now Hassan Haskins is
going for like 90 yards. What the fuck are you guys
doing? That's hilarious.
It really does serve them right. You.
That's one of the things that can happen when you just give up
your possession down three with 4 1/2 minutes left.
That's one of the outcomes. They go score and you lose.
Yeah, it's nice that the Broncos got smoked here for doing dumb
shit. Disgusting.
This was so much fun earlier. No, no.
Couldn't even be something fun like a a lad touchdown.
I have a puppy with Justin Herbert and Gusset.
Right now I know I have no Gus, so I'm like, I'm not even
looking at my sheet. It's.
Pretty good. It's got mixing Aaron Jones.
Casey Brown. Lamar but I guess maybe I don't
need them. I'm on Rod Devante glad not bad
Bowers. Man and all, I would have loved
just one usable score on our BBM team.
Yeah. But it.
Is not getting it. Do we have Sutton?
No, we have Lad Palmer and Javonte lads at 11.7 but that's
not a usable. Score.
It is. It is.
As a flex, it's usable. I mean it depends on how the
games go. Yeah.
Last week it would not have been usable.
It was you could get through it depends like you need other big
scores but. How much did y'all's BBM team
score last week? The one I got through only
scored like 155 or something but I had another one score higher
and didn't get through. Fucking.
Pod luck. I think ours scored like 170.
Yeah, I had one that scored 205 or something.
Damn. Another one was like 1165.
Yeah, it was a James Conner Devante Adams Almond raw.
Pretty sacked. Team.
That's nice. Chase Brown, Bucky Irving,
Sharps. I don't think Sharps made the
lineup. Mike Evans.
Yeah, there's a lot of good players from last.
Week. Wait, wait, you have Mike Evans
with Adams and Almonra on that team?
Yes, and Jane Reed and Jerry Judy.
Beautiful. Trey McBride, it's a good team.
I mean, I'm not trying to get like too excited about a team
that's in the freaking, you know, just in the semis, but
this is the one that has estimate.
That's why I'm also like he scored that early TD and I was
like, man, if this if he gets like a 20 point game here, that
would be sick. That'd be that'd be really nice.
He's at 9.6. He was at 8 when I checked in
the first quarter when I was all excited about it.
It's great. I haven't barely even used him.
What? Oh my God, that was sick.
That was sick. So that's not a lateral.
I mean, that's not a flag. Yeah.
He threw behind right. Yeah, it's the same as a pitch.
They must have had some other penalty because that flag came
on, the graphic came on really quick.
There might have been a holding when he broke off to run.
That's I think what they're going to call.
They're talking about whether the lateral was even a penalty.
Oh, that's no. And holding.
He called both of them. But the second one's not right.
Man, I don't really want to. Do you know, there's a couple
sliding doors moments in this game.
The Knicks over under throwing Mims.
That was a bad one. That's a real bad one.
That's a yeah. I mean, the that's bad thing.
That the only reason Gus got all those carries.
Yeah, this is a 14 carries. It took until then to, you know,
to get there. I feel like we played that right
because he hasn't, he hasn't had 14 carries all year either.
Oh, that did go forward. Weird.
That angle, definitely. That was weird.
Because. Angles looked completely
different. Well, one was from behind and
one was from like in front. I mean, the holding's the only
one that actually matters. That was so.
Weird. From the other angle it seems
very much. Legal.
Yeah, that angle was a little deceiving.
So bonus. It's kind of funny then.
Like if you're going to do that, you have to know your lateral.
Like it's it's very funny to be that far downfield and just
Chuck the ball forward. He's shrugging.
Oh man, we're going to commercial.
Oh, is it 2 minute warning? Yeah.
This is. This sucks is a really good game
too. That punt ruined a good football
game. It did.
Just a terrible decision.
Yeah, it's. An absolutely terrible decision.
I don't know what like what are you thinking is going to happen?
Your mind Like you have to, you have to play to win the fucking
game. 6 yards midfield. And they have to get to the
playoffs still, like this game means something.
Who's in contention if they don't?
If they don't make. It that's what I was trying to
think because, well, neither team was 100% in, right?
I think they both. Needed to win this game.
We have Broncos 94% chance to make the playoffs.
So do they have so? Not anymore, but not anymore.
We did before, but. Can they still get in?
I'll pull up what we had. Oh, this might help the Bengals,
people are saying. Oh yeah, that would help the
Bengals. Yeah.
The Bengals before today. I had like a 4% chance.
We have, we have a 3% chance to. Make the playoffs.
It still won't be super high, but that would it would be the
next one up. I think the Colts were still at
six. You know what's the best part
about that punt is, and I apologize, but I'm obviously
still very clean this the punt is we trust our defense.
We and they need to know that we're not going forward on 4th
down and don't have faith in them.
And what does your defense do? They're like, why the fuck did
you punt? We're so exhausted.
We're going to give up Gus Edwards 50 yard runs and I've
also never 40 yard fucking catches.
I've never bought that argument because if you really trust your
defense, then put them in bad field position at the 15th.
Doesn't matter. We trust you so much that we're
going to let the offense try to convert this.
And if they don't, we'll still win because you're that good
defense. It just it doesn't make it you.
If you trusted your defense, you would you would do the optimal
thing, right? For sure.
I completely agree with that. But the one thing that you do
hear from people is like, you don't understand the numbers,
don't understand that the the players, their emotions, they
feel like you don't trust them when you go for it.
And so then by punning you're you're they should come out
there and they should play harder and they just gave up.
Bullshit. That's bullshit.
It's almost like the argument is complete bullshit.
It is. But I just want to point out
that Gus Edwards and I don't think players are like their
wives. They're not like, oh, do you
believe in me this second? Of of course, of course, if you
don't, I'll play poorly. Can you tell me you believe in
me? These are professionals.
That's absurd. Just so fucking annoyed by that.
You gotta. Bring out the punt team here,
Sean. Yeah, 50 yard line.
Punt down, yeah. You don't want to give up.
You don't want to give up any more points.
They're punt What I just I just ruined the game because if they
convert that, then the charges are under more duress and then
they're throwing it coming back. And this like the whole end game
situation became, you know, Gus Edwards and Haskins having these
two big plays and that's all that's fucking happened.
Just ruined the last five minutes of the game.
What a disaster. We have had some tough brick
beats and I mean, I'm not going to say it's the worst one
because we've had some really tough ones.
Honestly, this is the worst one. It's.
Not the worst, no, this isn't the worst one.
It's not, but it it's pretty gross.
It's. The third one.
I would say I think it's. The third.
Worst one, the Bucky 1 and the the Vikings one.
Those were the two. The Veil Wei 1 was tough.
Veil Wei. Yeah, Yeah.
The Bucky the Bucky 1 was. Heartbreaking.
By and you know what's so heartbreaking about that too.
I was thinking about this. He's basically hit the line
every time since like we were also so directionally, yeah,
we're just like on it early and this well and this one, this
one. Stings in that like there was a
chance for a full sweep like across the board in some of
those scenarios, like all four of them were were live.
Yeah, this could have been a massive night.
And Sean Payton. Just it's like, you know what,
that play that you just did there, Sean, that was in your
playbook 10 minutes ago too, bud.
Right, right. Fourth time could.
Have called how that well that worked.
He he did that onside kick in the Super Bowl and that was the
last bold thing he'll ever do. He's good now.
Truly shocking that also that they were at 2nd and 20.
Ran the ball with estimate and then threw underneath to that
like whoever was Lucas Kroll or whatever.
And I was sitting there talking about like, OK, he knows it's 4
down territory. Like what are your play calls?
If you're, I mean, as soon as the sack happened on 1st down,
you just decided you're punting And that's that's what it came
down to. I mean, it's just, it's the game
ended. You know, he, he, the game
ended. I don't know if you saw, but he
left. Yeah, he's out of here.
He's not on the sideline anymore.
Dude, he's kicking a Oh, it's only 50.
Five. I thought it was like a 60
yarder. On 1st and 10.
I hate when they do this. It's a dumbest shit.
Oh God he did make it. I wish he would have missed it
because they for whatever it's it's it's delaying the loss.
They think that getting to overtime matters.
Like it's that's not how many of this works.
You're the other part of this that I hate is you're the, the
idea is if you get the onside kicker, you get the ball back or
whatever, you're going to have a shot at a Hail Mary.
Well, the Hail Mary's not very likely to be made.
The field goal from this far is likely to be made.
You have a shot at it, which means you should get your ass
down there and score the TD and then you can kick the long field
goal after the onside kick. Even with that same logic, why
not just do the Hail Mary now? Right.
Yeah. What's the date you can.
Still do that because if it doesn't.
Work then you'll have lost for sure.
Honestly, that's so much. That's why that's why they're
like go for 2:00 so that you know if you need to go for two
again they never do that type of stuff because it's like what if
I go for two and miss then I'm like sad so I no, but I mean
like I'm gonna delete the hilmers could be incomplete to
Pete's point. If if you're gonna kick, don't
kick on 1st and 10. Yeah, they're dropping back
right now, but take a couple shots in the end zone and kind
of in a double coverage. Yeah, maybe it gets picked off.
Probably not. If you get multiple receivers
down there, it's probably incomplete.
But like if it gets picked off for it's real sad, then yeah, it
would be so sad. So might as well just kick on
1st down. Yeah.
Live to fight another day. That's it's just constant.
It's just, yeah, yeah. Like Doctor Evil says, do the
helmer when they don't have eight guys back there, they they
are dropping back and they do have safeties back there.
But it's going to be easier right now than it's going to be
after you get the onside kick. You're probably not going to get
the onside kick anyway. I mean, this game's fucking
over. No, they're not, but they're
going to. This is how you lose like a man,
right? You lose ice in the way you're
supposed to lose by by not converting in a possible to
convert onside kick. That's the way we do it is
football. Coaches hope they call the time
out. Confidence kick ball didn't even
jump. Yeah, Tim gets it.
Sad players can't play at peak performance, so you have to
avoid at all times letting your players feel sadness.
I mean, the Lions look pretty freaking happy and you don't see
Dan Campbell doing this shit. Well, that's what I'm saying.
He he doesn't let him get sad. But he doesn't need to kick to
keep him happy either. Well, yeah.
That's true. God, this is this is a powerful
comment, Sean. Fate needs to lose in a way that
leaves no room for introspection.
That's right. That's correct.
Right, that is exactly. What it is?
I like I did all the things. Yeah, beautiful.
That's really good. That was actually a good outside
kick from the IT was. Sad chasing and it's sad.
It is. I didn't even, I wasn't going to
jinx it too. I was, I was getting the form.
I was like, man, we're going to circulate the form here.
We're going to be ready to roll fucking Gus, man.
No. Well, we're going to have to do
like 6 scores next week to make sure we can pay off the money
Nick's falling on a sword for for getting Taco Bell happy.
That's right. That's on.
Yeah, Nick, That's everyone. Blame Nick.
Every time I've gotten Taco Bell early, we've lost.
I won't let. Nobody.
Ring the bell early. Taco Bell the entire week just
to be safe. Yeah, we'll get Taco Bell next
week after we win. Yeah.
Do you think Peyton feels like if they punted just like a
little further, they would have won this game?
Probably. Yeah.
Very respectable loss by the Broncos here.
I mean, I'll give. A very, very yeah, he'll.
Probably examine the way he rotated.
The classic 7 point loss on a punt, just the way the other
play I'm really annoyed at was that third and 10 Herbert
scramble because then you just knew you're getting a gust carry
right after it and then you have the long carry.
Well, that's that's what stings. It's like if any one of those
things doesn't happen, they go for it.
They tackle them. All right, Anything you guys
want to plug before we end sad chasing here?
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So listening upside.com got all your playoff best ball stuff
covered. Walk through bail.
Tomorrow, as usual. There you go, Steph.
Anything you want people to check out?
The spreadsheet of your best ball teams and the collective
ownership of your pod. Yeah, you guys could check that
out. I did post it somewhere in
Discord earlier so you can watch my pain live.
There you go. I do have a plug.
I have a plug for something we didn't mention about the Marvin
men's play, which was that it was clearly even pass
interference. And I saw that on Twitter and I
didn't mention it. And I don't really think it was
that relevant at the time. But in hindsight, even though
next time we're through that, that was clearly defensive pass
interference and it would have been huge.
I have a lot of things that I'm upset about here.
Yes, and I'd like to plug that that 4th down punt by the
Broncos, one of the best punts I've ever seen.
Peace.