All right guys, we're back for another ship, chasing minisode
on the clock here, 1305 in our first, slow Main Event, draft on
FF PC for the year, I will recap our team up to this point and
then you will see the Dilemma. We have here once again.
So our Squad, through 12 rounds Jamar Chase Kyle pits.
He Higgins Marquis Brown, Rashad Bateman Kyler Murray Devante
Smith, Devon Singletary. Garrett Wilson, Chase Claypool
Michael Carter and Kenneth gain well who we were very excited to
fall to us there in the 12th did we?
Are we on the clock when we took gain?
Well last time or was that like a hanging we talked through
Carter we're burying the lead here.
Like the last time that people have heard of us heard from us
we were like, oh God, who do we pick the game?
Will do we pick Carter? Both of them.
We got game one. He came all the way back
somehow. So it was a celebration in our
chat and a snap pea with. You really need to record.
We will remember with where we were.
So had we just were we on the clock and Carter hard, right?
Okay. We've ranked all the players we
do not have a choice that we, yes, we picked Carter, by total
default, and then game. Well, somehow came back who I
think and and great is your day is price and Algeria.
Go to of the Next three picks and we're like fuck that gained
while goes all the way back to us.
I was looking at the command center and I'm pretty sure as
soon as those running backs when or maybe even before we had a 1%
chance to get gain, well it's tougher just like sweating, this
one percent chance. Is it wraps back around and
sometimes harder we got after ATP Singletary, was 10 picks
after ATP? I think game, one must have been
at least ten. I think, I think, Carter was
probably like at least eight. I mean, all three Of these guys,
we wind up getting just scooping up, value value, hounding it
left and right, beautiful running backs as a result it.
Right. You'll see this happen in drafts
to wear like if you are one of the few 0r B Teams like there
comes a point in the draft where and we saw it here in the 12th
round, these teams are like, all right, we gotta get some wide
receivers. We want to get our second tight
ends here and that naturally, push down some running back
targets to finally being values and we were kind of Talking
about how like the sexy 0r B, guys, you can see, Eli Mitchell,
Tony, Pollard, Penny can walk or those guys.
All came at a premium there, the seventh round to get gain.
Well, you know, 12 rounds later when you can make a case that
it's a fairly flat tear as far as like contingent upside from
round seven all the way down to around 12.
Yeah, I think one of the, I mean, one of the tiebreaks for
us on Carter was he did have the highest ATP.
It felt like those are almost no shot.
He'd get back game. Well, was next highest.
Although at the very end of that episode, I think when we looked
at the most recent drafts, he was the fourth of the group.
But we, I think, Pete, you're saying, is maybe a 20% chance.
One of them would come back, so we sort of impart, broke the
tight. Look, we'll go with the guy that
has the highest ATP. Maybe we get lucky and it slips.
I think I thought it would be tearing David's price or Algeria
people. Maybe not buying into one of the
rookies. They went right away but gained
while coming all the way back was just I mean it does speak to
a nice. May be minor strategy thing.
If you really can't decide take that.
Hi ATP guide. Maybe you get lucky on a slip.
Yeah absolutely. We're doing so Headmaster
laughs. I think it made a lot of sense
to grab car. Now I did rank algae or as my
top dark. The guy that I wanted us to
dress up, but Carter was second and part of that was just like
the ATP value. We're doing so many drafts that
getting these guys at good prices, you know, if you let the
room, help you break ties and you're doing more than one of
these than, you know, hopefully you'll you'll get the guys you
want but you won't. Reaching as much.
I also think they're. Well I mean last year we did end
up very heavily concentrated on a lot of guys and it is this
week we kind of talked about it to where it's it's tough, right?
Because you have your guys, these are eighteen hundred
dollar Main Event drafts. You know you want to bet on the
guys you like and you want to get a bunch of them.
On the other hand we still want to draft with some humility know
that even if we think one guy is a slightly higher probability
bet than the other like that outcome.
Isn't it always pan out and kind of using ATP, to lead you to
Natural diversification and allow you to build stronger
teams than you would otherwise like as the season progresses
get more closing line value. I do really think that's
something that we're going to layer in this year.
That's really going to help our portfolio of teams.
Yeah, for sure. And you know, we don't always
bring the most humility to these drafts, but I think the last
episode was about as humble as it gets, we getting
non-intuitive. Think it's like asking other
people. Like you have a lead on this?
Yeah, I'm just I'm so psyched that we got two of them because
that was the whole thing. I don't know how to break these
ties. These guys are all, like, sort
of the same bed, so to get Carter and gain.
Well, he's just wouldn't even will night going way back.
A Singletary. People talk about if we get
three guys through this range, we'd be pumped, we got that
great Claypool value. Part of why I didn't want to
take Claypool as much as you guys did.
Was I wanted to try to get two of those backs.
You guys really started the value hounding, they're in a
really positive way, because I said you guys later, I think if
we go running back there, instead of Claypool, just are
pick probably influences things enough to gain wealth, doesn't
come back to us at 12. We don't get three guys in this
group, just flip our 12. I mean that alone.
Own probably takes you know maybe makes gain.
Well are picking the 11th frankly, right?
So taking the Claypool value. They're being willing to take
the falling wide receiver. We still wound up with the three
running backs at 12:08 so definitely a really nice run up.
Yeah. And our little sweat here,
coming back on the rap. I was getting a little excited
about the chance of Khalil Herbert falling to us.
I definitely have gained well ahead of Herbert, but I I think
Herbert is kind of now in like another mini tier as far as this
next batch of Zero running back targets and so I was bummed to
see him going. I mean if we were able to tack
on Herbert and the 13th that would have felt like a real
coup, it would have but I would have been now finder.
Sure. We Now find ourselves at an
interesting spot here. I'll pull up the road of his
Command Center and look at some of these names that were looking
at, as usual, disregard Kenneth Walker.
He is gone. But, you know, just in here,
we're looking at James Robinson, JD mckissick.
Oh, I have this filtered to running backs, but does seem
likely what we're going to do? But some other guys up here,
Hunter Henry and Robert onion at tight end.
Roger still kicking around Darrell Williams.
Brian Robinson. Marlon Mac, I mean, where are
you guys at heading into this pick?
Vic. Well, you kicked around 100
idea, and it does feel like a good range for tight end to my
thought was with pits and with it being a 0 or B.
And with it being July that, I'm not that I'm a little more
comfortable, not taking that tells you I typically do like a
solid tight end to inside and premium but to really be trying
to load up on the running back, lotto tickets as many as we can
and then potentially hitting a tight end to very late.
We know Pat loves a guy very late, that would be Fun accent
steam. There's a couple other young,
dudes. I think like train track.
Bride is an option back there. I think who's the other young
guy? So brave.
And Jordan, brother. Jordan Lee he goes.
And then I think Johnny Smith is a worthwhile consideration as
well as more of a vet that if his will change his will but he
was still pretty good on a like a opportunity basis last year,
just need to sort of the world change.
Has the contract is gonna play, hopefully he's just not blocking
as much when you make that bet. But for a lot of those types of
guys, we Could cut early. I mean bride, we should get
information on early because Hopkins is suspended.
Dulcich, we should get information on early, you know
Brevin, Jordan probably information on early.
So I'm leaning more towards. We can kind of Punt, tighten too
late, or even potentially not take a tight end to, to
continue. Just trying to stockpile,
running back pigs. Yeah, and the thing that really
resonates with that take Me is just the idea of like, the
running backs are really the only picks left on the board
that can massively jump in value between now and September as
much as we like Hunter Henry. Like, I don't know, Jacoby
Meyers, I would never wish this upon him been could tear has a
TTL and Hunter Henry, is it even moving up that many spot?
So just from like that pure standpoint of like, how could we
supercharge our team? I definitely agree that the
running backs offer kind of the higher upside there.
Ready to I guess the argument for Henry would be he's already
a follower, right? Yeah.
The biggest value on the board so for getting, you know, a
share that maybe. Yeah.
Maybe he doesn't climb by a ton but this could still be one of
the cheaper prices that, you know, a team is getting on a but
I obviously agree that there's no chance Hunter Henry like
jumps into the ninth round for some reason like that's not,
he's price. Where is priced?
So taking advantage of all the uncertainty, you would want to
hammer running backs. I think the issue is like What
running back because we were we were kicking around Marlin, Mac.
He's not exactly the archetype of a guy who would Skyrocket and
value. Maybe you've pierced sprains his
ankle or something and it's like, okay, Max got this, the
early down, roll locked down. Maybe he would jump up to the
9th, or 10th or something, but, you know, he's not that
exciting. As far as a contingent play
goes, and I don't really see anybody.
That's all that exciting. I guess, Yancy, Foreman has a
ton of contingent value but he's also kind of an early down guy
himself. So there's no like real.
If a credit credit to the other drafters here, they didn't
believe anyone with the like a massive ceiling.
It's funny too. Because this, there's this same
spot that you hid in an underdog draft.
And I generally really dislike this band of running backs and
then I really like a lot of the eighteenth Round Guys, in the
guys that sometimes go Andre After, you know, we're talking
down into the Sony Michelle, Haskins McKinnon, be no Drake.
Dear Ernest Johnson, baby. Like these names are all way
more interesting to me that like the names of ahead of it.
It's, which is maybe why Chris Evans just wet, it aren't.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, somebody else was feeling
the same way and went down for Chris Evans.
I'll make a case for Mac in that there's I mean, I'm not a doctor
but there's this thought that maybe with Achilles, it's not
the the next year back. But the second year back Can get
some of their explosiveness back.
We saw with de'aunte Foreman last year.
He's stealing 26 before. He tore his Achilles, he had
back-to-back thousand total yard seasons for the cult.
There's I think there's this possibility of.
He looks explosive in the preseason we're thinking of him
as their you know their lead back there guy by the end of
August or at least a fantasy Community is and then that would
I think I don't think people go crazy about Marlon Mac easily
back in Houston. But the famous Community has
tended to like Marlon Max Talent.
I think over the years More than probably, they should have at
times over the last couple years like after the drive to Jonathan
Taylor, but I do think he would have the potential to jump into
like the ninth round by the end of August.
If we get, you know, an indication that either a he's
going to be the lead back or be and we were kicking around some
reports in the team's. It sounds like they're looking
at a committee for sure but if it looks like he might be
solidifying, some momentum toward being the lead back at
least early in the year poor bee.
He looks explosive. That that suddenly looks like
the right bet to make it. Maybe Damien Pierce isn't coming
along as quick because they don't have a deep running back
room. It's basically those two
Birkhead who's probably going to play a decent amount and then
it's like Royce Freeman and Daria Goomba Wally.
I mean, there's not a lot else there so that yeah, Mac is
healthy and explosive and Pierce's.
Our fourth round rookie Mac. I think would have a shot to
potentially consolidate some working.
At least in the early part of the year I was starting to get
excited about picking Mac and then My message, Rivers.
McCown, who is one of the guys over at NBC with me and he, he
like, watches all the Texans games for us.
Like, when we do the recap pod, it's always Rivers, coming the
Texans. He's like a die-hard Texans fan.
I don't know how he does it. I mean, he clearly it's clearly
like getting, it's just like, destroying his soul.
I want you and what they've been doing, but he stays up to date
with all the texts and stuff. So I asked him what he thought,
the backfield split would be, he came back with Birkhead.
At 55% 30, Mac 15 Pierce. He's like if I had to put a chip
anywhere, that's that's what would be on.
Don't love that. Don't love the idea of Burke
heavily in this backfield. I mean, you know, and he was
saying he thinks that they trust Birkhead as a passing down back
and eventually Pierce going to eat into the role.
That might come from matter lie down such as a little bit first.
He's not like a great pass-catching tight.
He's okay as a pass catcher but you know as a rookie displacing
the veteran passed by. So, where might be tough?
Where would you be out right now?
So I think, you know, Chris Evans just went, first of all, I
think Max in play, I don't want to say, like, he's not but but
that made me, at least, think about it.
But with Chris Evans going, I think we have permission to take
basically any running back that we want.
And so I would say Jerick McKinnon Sheriff McKenna.
Interesting. The one thing I was thinking
through here is because we are in this interesting range where
like some of the screeners I'm doing is like, almost all these
now are like three-man back fields where even like the
contingent upside is pretty muddied?
That's why Deonte Foreman is kind of interesting because that
does feel like, I don't know, maybe people still believe in
Juba Hubbard but I pretty feel strongly Foreman would carry the
load. Their CMC went down.
So that's kind of a track Of to me.
And then the other thing I'm looking at is, what kind of
production were looking for like the Marlin Mac and Mark Ingram
types, they could start for us out of the gate, you know, when
we need production because we think they're going to get some
touches there or do we go with a mckissack type, A Jamaal
Williams type being like? Hey, let's just get that pass
catching floor or do we take the big cut again?
I think mckissick you brought up and I think he would be my
second. Pick.
But I'm questioning that aspect of it.
Do we need? Do we need that pass catcher
when you have Carter and gain? Well, already on the roster,
because I kind of feel like they're that guy with a little
bit more juice and would be fine.
Starting them what and like, does he bring a sick I'd rather
take Hunter Henry then a guy like mckissick because he
doesn't have any contingent value.
You know, I like Jamal Williams. I'm not taking much to Mo
Williams, but he Does have contingent value.
You know. Maybe he has a committee role
but if you under a swift word, be out for a few weeks like It
wouldn't be like the most exciting guy, but you'd be
plugging them into your DFS lineups and stuff.
So words like mckissack Gibson goes down, were expecting
Robinson to pick up a basically all the slack.
So yeah, that's I think like I'm probably about guys, it could
move up in value. A lot to Peach Point earlier
McKinnon, maybe isn't like the perfect example of that.
But I do think there's a scenario where They're like
yeah. McKinnon seems to be in the same
passing down. Roll that we last saw him in the
playoffs and that's like there's no way he's going in the 13th.
Yeah that's fair. I guess I would hope we could
maybe get him on the way back is that?
That's that's my only that's my only thing and I know you can
make an argument either way like Pat said and I mean Chris Evans
went and he his ATP was really far down here so we could see
some random stuff of people just grabbing their preferred.
Guys. I do think if we think it's
Clothes similar to The Carter gained while spot.
Like let's let's take the guy with the higher ADP, you know,
just to see if we can get both. Do you think?
Yeah, I think McKinnon's. Pretty interesting.
I mean, I think it's an interesting call.
I think what sounds goes. It's like the, yeah, the game is
over. Like, people are just taking
their guys, and I also think McKinnon in particular, is a guy
that people are going to be nervous to trustee.
I mean, I certainly feel nervous to trust the ATP on McKinnon
because it's kind of like, I mean, I know this is what we're
looking looking at for command centers, pretty recent, but he's
a guy that I feel Like people still sort of forget about like
the ATP is taking a little bit longer than I thought it would
to adjust up, but some people are like, oh yeah McKinnon, why
don't I take him here? Like I like McKinnon more than
Marlin Mac. Why don't take McKinnon?
You know? So I don't know it because there
is a nice try to get both. But you're right, we could miss
out on McKinnon. So how much more do you?
I think I like McKinnon. If they were at the same spot.
I'm with you, I would take McKinnon because I want the big
swing with the three running backs.
We've already got my eye. I totally am falling what you're
thinking. I'm trying to think through if
it's worth giving up the possibility of getting him, +
Mac or him plus me kissing. And that's what I'm kind of
thinking to like I'm fine passing on mckissick just
because I do think we have a pretty good past catching floor
with Singletary, Carter in gain. Well I think I the more we talk
this through, I would maybe push for Foreman just, again, that
thesis that he would benefit from an injury, the most like he
would probably become a fifth round pick if Christian
McCaffrey, you know, got hurt. Whereas I don't know if I could
project a jump that big for for any of these other guys, since I
just like that pure contingent thing to have, you know, six
weeks, seven weeks of him just chilling out for us and then he
can just be an easy cut when the season starts.
That's kind of attractive to me. I think, Jamaal Williams says a
bit more continuing value and Foreman.
Like if Swift was out, don't you think Williams would be like a
better DFS play than Foreman? I think you catch more passes.
I like to the foreman called I like the Williams other sitting
here agree with everything. I think they're.
Yeah we're going to be able to ever been heard.
Yeah. I guess.
The other Detroit running back, is it Ferguson?
Or it's Jamar Jefferson. Jim are Jefferson but it doesn't
sound like then Raven is on good football show this and he was
not particularly high on Jamar Jefferson.
Yeah. There's a lot of options that we
like, we don't really care about which I mean, format, and Jamal
Lyons could come back to. So now that makes me actually go
back to McKenna's. It got me really want, like
maybe we still get McKinnon form it, you know, McKinnon Williams.
They're in a, my guess is like we already saw it happening on
that other side of the board, and we actually need to wrap
this up to go do a co-manager call for another one of our
teams here. But I will say, like, we're in
this kind of gross range for running backs clearly.
And we already saw this side of the board be ready to Pivot to
other positions because they all have four five, six, running
backs. I don't mind just taking a guy.
We all like which is clearly McKinnon.
I like making it a lot and then just knowing like we're probably
gonna get a Deontay Foreman or Jim.
All Williams coming back. I would throw out.
Most are two is arbitrage on Mac, where?
It's like, it's the same exact. Play your way back.
Feel. Probably early down roll.
We can get that type of players later.
Let's take the swing on McKinnon.
That's what you're saying, right?
Most. Yeah, exactly.
Also be one, like, Falls next round, Mac.
And most are the same guy foreman and Williams of the same
guy, but McKinnon. I mean, might be the passing
down back on the Chiefs. There's there's no Arbitrage,
passing them that go on the Chiefs available.
Up. Yeah, you don't have to sell me
to get a piece of that like my thesis all in early drafts was
like McKinnon, could be this year's for net, like the veteran
on a good team who Smash and everyone discounts for whatever
reason? You know, I mean MacKinnon was
awesome in the playoffs and I know they were slow to bring him
back, but it doesn't change the fact that they're not going to
use Row. Joe and pass.
It catching situations in like CH is like one bad snap away
from just being exiled forever, and this feels nice.
He's pure upside to add to it and McKinnon is the most
exciting upside scenario. We talked about CH is career,
its power on is significantly lower than roaches.
Like he's been straight up with upon passing test.
That's funny. That's because people, yeah, it
is. It's like it's like below what?
Roaches, like 1.2 yards per outrun is great because you can
sometimes catch a screen and he gets moving CH just undo
anything. All right we're gonna draft
Jerick McKinnon. We'll figure out our next
running back. Coming back.
We are no longer. The value hounds.
We are the I know better guys. Take a dare.
Forget it here boom. We will see you guys next time
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