Hi there from summary, Western New York.
I'm Mike Show. This is ADP chasing.
Our heroes are assembled. We've got some news.
Josh Jacobs just happened. We'll do our best to try to,
well, figure out what the ramifications are for fantasy
football. Marshawn Lloyd, maybe other
veterans. How serious is this?
We're all legal experts. And will he be suspended by
season 2029? That's what we need to tackle
first up. Much more than that.
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degree 'cause like, I have a lot of both of these guys.
It's the most disgusting thing you can make, but man.
Well, there's obviously nothing funny about the Josh Jacobs
charges, which are pretty severe, but it gives us a lot to
talk about in a time of year where there often isn't that
much to talk about. South Davis, have you already
volunteered to be our lawyer for the evening?
Yeah, we lost our we lost our lawyer.
We've got our man Sam Sherman with us who can't give us any
legal takes on energy consumption in the great nation
of Canada, but he can probably give us some Marshawn Lloyd
takes. I'm imagining that if there was
anyone we needed to call up to do Marshawn Lloyd takes, I think
Sam has been waiting his whole life for that.
So these are these are these are your comps for the Josh Jacobs
stuff. Judkins from last year is the
most obvious one, which the first instinct you would have
would be like, oh, well, nothing happened to Judkins, right?
So it means something's gonna happen to Jacobs or it's not
gonna happen to Jacobs until 2027.
There are multiple cases in the last five years since the NFL
redid their CBA of guys not getting charged, the charges
being a guys, guys getting acquitted of the charges,
charges getting dropped and still serving suspensions.
Charles Amenihue for the Chiefs got six games with no charges
filed at all. Jibril Preppers got acquitted
but still missed seven games on the commissioner's exempt list.
Quin Shawn Judkin's teammate Michael Hall the year before
served five games for domestic violence.
Again was on the exempt list. Then Jimmy Ward had a felony
assault. Those charges are still pending.
And he also did not play on the exemplist.
In fact, the two cases I can find of guys serving no
suspensions or not being cut by their team because that's what
happens with a lot of these guys as if they're edge cases.
Like remember Darius Geiss got cut and and some some defensive
players had been cut is like Mark Walton got got suspended,
but Stephon Diggs felony strangulation plus assault
acquitted trial, no suspension played all last year for the New
England Patriots and then Judkins.
Obviously, no, no suspension at all.
But, and probably the the, if you're really trying to think of
a one to one comp, I actually think going back to 2017 with
the Ezekiel Elliott, because remember there were multiple
domestic violence charges against him.
He was never even charged. So he never even saw a courtroom
and he was suspended for six games.
Suspended with no. In the middle of the season.
Ever, ever filed in the middle of the season so.
Just to 'cause I was on AI was actually just on a pod and I'm
playing catch up, but they're they released, you know, like
Rappaport and and Chapter and all those dudes.
They released press release from Hobart Lawrence Police
Department. It said he was arrested today.
They were dispatched to to a disturbance complaint involving
Josh Jacobs. As a result of the
investigation, Josh Jacobs was subsequently arrested on May
26th today and booked into the Brown County Jail on the
following charges. Battery, domestic abuse,
criminal damage to property, domestic abuse, disorderly
conduct, domestic abuse, strangulation and suffocation,
intimidation of a victim. This remains an active and
ongoing investigation. No further information will be
released at this time. So that's the call was on
Saturday morning and the arrests were today, three days later.
Yeah, yeah. Obviously it's it's, it's always
like awkward to go straight to fantasy football implications
with stuff like this comes up. I do.
Think fantasy football show, bro.
It's a fantasy football show. I do think it.
Doesn't make it not awkward. Yeah, you can still.
Feel like you feel awkward. I hate it when that happens, but
yes. If we're talking, I guess range
of outcomes for a suspension. The other type of precedent I'll
bring up again, this was a while ago, but it, it does remind me a
little bit of the Adrian Peterson situation.
Now that was with his child rather than a partner.
But in that case, he missed the entire season on the exempt list
as I believe the criminal case was pending.
So again, that was. So, so honestly, you want to
know the real differences, The real difference between a lot of
these old cases like the 2015 and stuff is that the CBA has
been renegotiated multiple times to be more favorable to these
guys in these situations. Like the way the way that the
NFLPA has done it has been that the NF LS burden of proof has to
be higher in, in these situations.
Like to go into the exempt list, the there, the, there actually
has to be more stuff going on. If you want to, if you want to
really put a little bit of, of nuance there.
Jacobs does have a prior, you know, if we're going to do this
with Rushy Rice, Jacobs does have a prior incident.
He was arrested on suspicion of DUI after crashing his car at
4:00 in the morning. In Wisconsin.
In no this is when. This is when he was on the
Raiders. He was booked for DUI, ended up
not filing DUI. He paid, he paid a fine and it
it ended up just completely going away.
But I do wonder if some of that stuff plays into it.
I mean, I my, my, if you made me, if you made me truly put my
finger on it right now, I would guess he probably doesn't get
suspended like if you, if I just had to guess right now, 'cause
the the range of outcomes of these things are so wide.
It's it's really tough. I mean, there's also the
possibility that the. Booked with charges are dropped.
I feel like probably more likely than not he does get suspended.
But it's yeah, it's, it's tough. It's tough to say.
Von Miller, Tyree Kill, Kareem Hunt, I mean, these does the
league. We've talked about this before.
I've been here that long. It's a somewhat unfortunately,
it's an optics thing. And does the league, does the
league think? It's very much an optics thing
for the league, yeah. Right.
But do they think they have a problem in their dead of winter,
which is right now in Green Bay, WI?
I don't know. It's really, really tough to
look at, and it's possible that it's not really accurate, but
like Sam said, we're trying to figure out whether Alvin Kamara
or James Connor will be a Packer in the next month, I think,
among other things. You know, I so I did.
That was the next part of the research that I did was I just
wanted to see like, who are the guys on the coaching staff that
it might have relationships to any running backs.
Here we go. It's it, dude.
It is a list of it is a list of like, Oh my God, I can't believe
that guy still exists. Jamal Williams, Khalil Herbert
played under Getzi. Zamir White played under Getzi.
Alexander Madison, Amir Abdullah.
Michael Carter was on Michael Carter was Mike Lafour's.
They they picked him. He's there when he's.
There. Is Michael Carter a Packer?
Isn't he? He's somewhere.
No, I don't. I don't think Michael Carter is.
It's Pierre Strong, Chris Brooks, Marshawn Lloyd and
Damian Martinez, I believe are the running backs 11 the roster
right now. OK, he's on a team, but maybe
not the Packers. Nick Chubb.
Nick Chubb was on the Browns when TC McCartney, who is like a
quality control coach, was there.
Antonio Gibson was on. Antonio Gibson was on the
Patriots staff when they signed. TC McCartney was on the Patriots
staff when they signed Antonio Gibson.
And then the one that if you really wanted to to, you would
really have to start drawing the lines on this one.
But James Conner does play for Lafleur's little brother in
Arizona. Yeah.
So, Pat, what do you want to do about this?
Yeah. What's your?
Topic. What do you?
Want to do about this? I would like to know who the
Packers running back to is like right now if I could, you know,
like who, who is the Packers? Running back if they had to, if
they had to play a game today, it would be Marshawn Lloyd.
I don't know that that's true. I think it'd be Chris Brooks.
No, I, I I think it'd be Lloyd. I think Chris Brooks is like
more of a full back H back hybrid than he's.
Not to say he wouldn't get, not to say he wouldn't get some
touches. But I do think.
I do think Lloyd would be the guy today.
Now, will his hamstring survive another two days of practice?
I I don't know. I don't think.
So, but have you, have you confirmed that his hamstrings
aren't too tight today? All right, here's a.
They're checking. An assumption is they're not.
Pretty sure they're checking them right now as we they.
Said they need to. There was a there was a good
quote. Someone just posted this in my
discord. Brian, is it Guticanst?
Guticanst. You gotta say quick Guticanst,
some DS and TS you could do like.
So quote no. One would no one would say
anything. If he's if he's healthy, we know
he can help us. Bringing Chris Brooks back was a
big part of that. We have a lot of faith in him.
I feel good about that group. We'll see as it goes if we feel
we need to add to it, but right now I don't really think.
That was on Lloyd. That was on Lloyd and Brooks, so
if he's healthy, they're going to count on.
Him, if he's healthy, we're going to count on him.
Bringing Chris Brooks back was a big part of that, meaning I
don't think this dude is ever going to be healthy.
That's why we have. Chris well meaning, meaning that
I mean Chris Brooks. I I just, I mean I just did the
deep dive dude. Like no, no 100 yard game since
like his sophomore season at Cal.
Like this is the most Darya Ogunbowala ass guy in the
National Football League. Did he score touchdowns in high
school? Did you look that?
Up. You know what?
I actually looked up, actually looked up Marshawn Lloyd's high
school stats because he's not had a he's had since since 2021.
Marshawn Lloyd has one game with more than 20 touches.
Bearish. I would say it's 2020.
Six, it's bearish. To be clear, I don't think a
Goomba Wale is a bullish comp. It's just that a Goomba Wale
played and Marshall Lloyd has never played, correct?
He's never played again. He's played ten career snaps.
Yeah, technically played. It's more than six guys who
plays greater than guy who doesn't play, by the way. 6 How
many yards the high? Rate.
I didn't look into that but didn't get scares in 10 snaps.
Normally a goobawali like my go to bear comp but in this case
bullish. I mean, I think, I think the
real answer is like if Jacobs is facing a meaningful suspension,
they're going to bring someone in.
They're they're not going into an.
Animal. It's Naji Harris.
I mean, I mean Naji, Naji Naji should just get his.
He should just get his. Trade for Connor.
Yeah, I mean trade for Trey Benson, Connor Treyford.
They hey buddy, They Trey Benson.
His name is Marshawn Lloyd. What's the difference I mean?
Yeah, they're the same guy. Naji and Connor, they're all, I
mean, they're all five letter, six letter names.
That's that's gonna be one of those things where they're gonna
be like they're gonna trade Marshawn Lloyd for for Trey
Benson because they're gonna be like, maybe the desert heat will
be good for his hamstring to make maybe like the the cold air
will be good for whatever. It's it's the.
It's the it's the classic AJ Jenkins for John Baldwin.
Great. Yeah, exactly.
I, I mean, honestly, the, the name, the name that is sort of
interesting to me because I think it's, is I, it's a guy who
you could bring in and realistically say if you're an
NFLGM, you could look yourself in the mirror and say this guy
can just be Josh Jacobs. You are.
None of you are gonna agree with me on this.
I'm gonna be totally on an island here, but it's Joe Mixon.
Oh. You like dudes who?
Can't. Like move their legs like
normally? This is this is obviously, this
is obviously stating that Joe Mixon still has a foot.
Which why is that? Seems less likely than Marshawn
Lloyd's hamstring being fine to be honest.
I think, I think, I think if I had to bet right now, what's
more likely, Joe Mixon has a foot or Marshawn Lloyd has a a
functioning human hamstring? I'm going Joe Mixon has a foot.
I think it's more likely that he's hanging out with Will
Fuller right now. Have you ever considered giving
him carries? Brandon I you get the invite to
that that hangout as well or. Yeah, I think might be might be
there. Yeah.
Well, I just I. Probably the Packers don't do
anything if they ever do anything for a while, correct?
This is this is the down time. So they're going to play it out,
see what the legal system has to say, and either we get a trade
by the middle of August. Well, let's let's think about.
That. Let's let's actually think about
that. If you could like make cause the
the run game is obviously so important to what the Packers
do. Like this is it's not a position
that, OK, we let Emmanuel Wilson go.
We cannot realistically be like, all right, we're gonna win 11
games with Chris Brooks, Naji Harris and Marshawn Lloyd.
Is there someone out there they could realistically trade like a
third round pick for that? Like they would that they would
tell themselves we can do it. The other team would accept it
and and it would be like a a win win.
Well, again, it won't be soon. That sounds to me like a trade
that happens in October. That correct?
Yes. No, I I agree.
I agree with you. I agree with you, but I'm trying
to think about an obvious like this team has two good running
backs they would potentially think about doing it I.
Guess it can't be. It can't be HN or Breece Hall
anymore. Yeah, well, that's the thing.
I mean, you kind of feel you're like, I kind of wish I hadn't
signed HN and and Hall to the. So I mean, so tuba, tuba is 1
where the Panthers would do it. And if Jonathan Brooks, if if
Jonathan Brooks is healthy and ET plan the passing downs.
I like that. Let me let me toss another one
out to you A like a a second draft guy, Braylon Allen.
Wait, what about the Steelers guys?
Steelers guys, yeah. And I think either one.
Tony Pollard. Tony Pollard.
OK. Tony Pollard.
I don't think they'd be excited to do it because they're like,
let's we got to prove this guy's got right.
Sorry, they aren't doing that. They're.
Not making that trade until the season's like 6 weeks old at
least. The the wild if you're going to
like think of a moon shot big big name player.
I think the the one to watch out for would be Jonathan Taylor mid
season if the Colts Yeah name. Really.
Tank is. I don't think they'd do it
though. That's.
Certainly not till mid season. They were.
They were tied to trade talks for him back in.
Was it 2023 when Taylor was holding out?
The Packers called the Coastal team to getting a getting a deal
done if the Colts, if Daniel Jones comes back, get it done
cold start the season 2 and 5 or whatever and the Packers are
looking good. I think that's a realistic 1
where would actually make sense to fork fork over real draft
capital to get someone like Taylor.
Yeah, I mean, I think you you have to like mid season, I think
things open up cuz then you start to look at these teams
that you know, I don't know, like maybe HN mid season.
I don't know how to the. Guaranteed money contract
extensions. Can't do it.
Yeah. Reese Hall, you know, Yeah, it
would be easy. Like ideally got a rookie deal
with like a team that's clearly not going anywhere by mid
season. And then you, you know, you
don't want to have to spend like a ton for it.
So like I bet you that mid season the Cardinals could get a
second round pick for Jeremiah Love if they wanted to ship him
off. Davis, I have a fun.
I have a fun one for this game and you're going to like this a
lot, I think ready because earlier you said you guys are
not going to like this. I did kind of like it.
Trayvon Henderson. So I see what you're, I see
like, I see the angle of like the Patriots are like, you know
what? Ramandre is just so much better
at all the little things. They're good.
I'm I'm seeing the Bible quotes. I just, you know, maybe we.
Just I mean, imagine Mike Rabel goes into.
That he's got to be sick of the Bible.
Quotes Trevion's just quoting, quoting adultery lines at him
all day. OK, All right.
I got I got AI, got AI. Got another one.
Come on here Videl Keith Keith Mitchell's averaging 8 1/2 yards
per carry. Videl.
Videl is just like juiced up Chris Brooks.
You could trade a conditional sixth round pick for him like
how the Vikings trade for Cam Akers every year.
It's a shame because I think if Fidel was a third round pick and
everything about him was the same that that would happen.
But I think because he was like a day three guy and has been
like continually replaced that that won't happen.
Trayvion Henderson for Matthew Golden.
I mean, I think. Both.
I mean, I think that'd be kind of bad for the Pats.
I think you won't. You just keep.
You would you would you would think that you.
Would and 1/3. I, I feel like we should, we
should answer at some point. What if if you're entering a
draft tonight, where are you taking Jacob's?
I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna move him down in my rankings.
I actually have it up right now, but I'm gonna move.
I'm gonna move Josh Jacobs, who I currently have at 29, so I was
below market on him anyway by just a smidge.
I'm gonna move Jacobs down to 33, which is right next to Kyron
Williams. In fact, you know what?
I'm actually gonna move Kyron ahead of him because Kyron
Williams is on a good team. Everyone in fantasy football
hates him, but he scores 59 points per game every single
season and currently is not in county lock up.
So 20%. It's about.
It's about right. I'd, I'd be, especially right
now, I don't look. I think I'd rather have David
Montgomery. I was, I was more in in line
with Pat there. I was thinking like 50s.
Oh all right, well, everyone, everyone's saying I'm going to
have a ton of him, so I'm going to move him down further.
Let me I'll. Draft all the Jacobs, fine,
whatever. You guys, I I didn't I didn't
want I don't like The thing is, is like I think I learned a lot
from the Judkin situation from sack last year, which is like at
those prices, you are so incentivized to take the risk.
This is very different. Like getting a stone 0 for six
weeks from Jacobs is your fourth round pick.
Like that team is cooked but like you could survive a stone 0
Judkins for the whole season in the 14th round last year.
It's also like for me with Jacobs, like the whole thesis of
the play is that he's just so steady and reliable.
Like you're not really selling yourself on Josh Jacobs being
the number one fantasy running back this year anyways.
It's the reliability that was a selling point with that at the
window. Like, give me the guys that seem
much more reliable at this point in David Montgomery, even if,
you know, you could sell me on. He also had he also had the
cooked knee. He also had the cooked knee at
the end of last year. Yeah.
Yeah, that that's how that's where I feel, Sam, like you're
because some of the stuff I when you think about, you know, wide
receiver versus running back and some of these wide receivers
where it's like, hey, you know, this guy's like it's pretty
reliable. Like George Pickens like pretty
reliable. It's not like a super like big
upside swing at the position, but like, you know, he'll score
points and he's on a good offense.
Like generally I think in especially in half, if you're on
underdog, it's like, well, but you could take a running back
there who's like going to be maybe a little bit more
reliable, you know, and at the more projectable position.
And then like you can get you can find some wide receivers,
you know, that are going to be a little bit more inconsistent,
but you know, are cheaper and and go that route when you go
with Jacobs and it's like, well, now it's not that he like
literally will be inconsistent week to week necessarily, but
you know, I don't know, maybe if he misses six games, that kind
of changes things for the rest of his season a little bit.
But the bigger thing obviously would be he missed six games.
We're like, OK, you got a guy he's not even playing the
beginning of the season. This is your like reliable
fourth round running back production or whatever in best
ball. Like, why not just like, give
me, give me Montgomery, give me Scataboo.
Like Scataboo might miss a game, you know, but but maybe even
none. I I if you think if you think
Scataboo is still not healthy at the beginning of the season,
he's unclickable at his current price I think.
Round 4. Yeah, well, I, I think it's
nuanced, 'cause I think it's like I, I don't think anyone
thinks Scataboo or Judkins for that matter, is at risk of
missing games. I think it's more about.
Performance, Performance. Yeah, like, but but what I'm
saying is, is that if Scataboo 10 months later still is not
able to like get ramped up to play a game, that risk is not
currently be accounted for in his price, I don't think.
Sure. Has has Mickey Loomis texted
everyone he knows in Wisconsin more, more times or fewer than
1000 in the last three hours? No one, no one is paying Kamara
like whatever billion dollars he is being owed to go to go play.
Well, let. Me, let me press you on that.
Are we sure that Green Bay is that sharp?
Remade, remade. Is talk about remade fucked
money wise? Well, OK, we can.
We can work around that. You talk about Jacobs as the
sort of the base floor kind of play.
That's Camara. We all know he's inefficient,
but. He's not going to Wisconsin,
man. Yeah, he's dude, The Dells.
The Dells. Not even has he seen The Dells.
Has he seen pictures? He's not going to The Dells.
Well, he's like, I'm not leaving
New Orleans. Like, maybe you could get him.
You're like, listen, we need you in Tennessee.
You know, yeah. He might go to Nashville.
Is the this? Is the.
Top on that, all due respect to Green Bay, WI, Kelvin from
Harris not going there. If I'm the GM, I'm going to let
him refuse the trade and then now he's the problem.
But, you know, just spitball. Rusty Shackleford just said one.
There's no coaching connection here but a conditional like
sixth round pick for Devon Singletary.
I think I said that like 10 minutes ago, but you can give
the credit to Rusty Shack. Hey, hey, that's that's, that's
very, that's very good, Devin Singletary feels.
Yeah, very good. Yeah, No, it's.
It's it's the worst. They're not going to do anything
for a while. Not for a while.
The other thing with the Packers is they're they're one of these
organizations that doesn't make splashy trades free agent
signings. Buddy, they traded, just not
really Micah Parsons last year. OK.
Well, week week 1. Yeah, damn, I got.
I got hit with a. That's fair.
Let's go. We're so bad.
That's a good. That's a good counter.
That's a. Good counter I I because the The
thing is, is that they were considering firing their coach.
I actually think I actually think kind of the opposite.
This, this Green Bay Packers roster, this current collection
of coaches and players have been some of the the worst playoff
chokers, underperformers. Like the fans.
I hate Lafleur. They want him gone, gone.
So I I actually think the opposite.
They're also wrong. I, I Hey.
I'm not saying I'm not a big Lafleur defender, but like like
you could like, it gets so much worse than Matt Lafleur.
He's kind of McDermott, isn't he?
Karain, don't you? I mean, you, you know this I'd.
Much rather have Lafleur than McDermott.
You, you know this better than anyone.
I want offensive guys. Yeah, that's fantasy.
You are, you are, I mean you are a rotor world blurb rider.
You are, you are close to this. You know, play fans don't think
that far ahead. They hate the current coach, but
they don't think about how they they don't think about how bad
it could be. They don't have an owner.
There's no owners in in Green Bay that has to answer to any
sort of pressure. When McDermott was fired, we had
the Bills owner in the locker room looking at guys with tears
in their eyes, like, all right, that's it.
I mean, Green Bay doesn't really have that.
They have Mark Murphy, who's not an owner.
There might be a different dynamic there that matters.
They're not going to do anything for a while.
That I agree with final answer for me, I moved, I I moved
Jacobs down to to the Deemont range Pat that's where I moved
him. Yeah, that's how I'm going to do
that. What is that as well?
Like high 50s. High 50s and frankly, if I'm
being if I'm being honest, I'm probably just clicking Tootin
anyway. I mean, I I think I look tootin
gets to the range where it's like there's a chance Jacobs
isn't suspended at all, you know, and you're getting fifth
round Josh Jacobs. You certainly rather have fifth
round Josh Jacobs. You know, this is not this is
ends up being a nothing burger than Tootin.
But also, like when you tell me that Josh Jacobs, you know, I
might miss a ton of time for domestic violence and I could
take facial toot instead. I want to do that.
That's what I want to do. I'm not saying it's smart. 111
more comp before we move on. Although this is really
interesting. I know it's not Deshawn
Stribling where you could go all night, but this is still really
good. I think is Kareem Hunt where you
had one in the middle of a season.
Yeah, someone mentioned that on on my stream, yeah.
Half an hour later, he was cut on a team that was contending in
the middle of the year. Like that was just like, all
right. We got video that's.
Bad is there video is another question we should be.
Asking I gotta be. I gotta be.
I gotta be so real. You know why Kansas City was
able to do that and take the moral High Road?
He was on a rookie contract. It was so easy for them to do.
Financially it didn't matter. Can't, can't, can't do it when a
guy's making whatever 18,000,000 like Josh Jacobs, I think is
like the seventh highest paid running back in the.
NFL, then it's in the courts. Yep, that's.
Right. I it like it's it.
Well, and I mean, you see this all the time, like running
backs, like a running back on a rookie contract, like Darius
guys. Yep, sorry, dude, gone.
You're off the team. If you were a wide receiver.
Well, hey, we'll see what the courts say, right?
There's a reason. There's a reason why There's a
reason why every time the Chiefs are asked about Rashi Rice, Andy
Reid never says that fucking guy pissing me off.
It's always, you know, man, we're we're really praying for
Rashi. We're really hoping that he
figures things out. What's his name?
Sean McVeigh gets asked about Puka Nakua.
Dude, we got to put our arm around him.
You know, we got to guess what? If Ronnie Rivers did any of the
shit that Puka had done, If if Ronnie Rivers was saying like
racial slurs on a a kick stream, Rodney Rivers is getting cut
cut. You know, that's just how it is.
That's the world. That's the world.
All right, so we're moving Jacobs down a couple rounds.
Are we moving anybody up? I'd take Lloyd.
I'd take Lloyd in the last round, I think 18th.
Round. Yeah, no sooner.
I wouldn't take him any sooner than that just because I think
they're so likely to add someone and you at that point, you're
kind of chasing, chasing your own tail.
I think Lloyd is certainly clickable in the last round.
I'm not sure like how excited I am about it, but you know, it's
he probably like you could have made a case for him.
Someone was in the chat saying like, I've got a bunch of them,
Like it wasn't insane to be drafting.
I think maybe kind of a little bit early on, like this guy have
a role, you know, because because they they always were
the Packers could have always been signing James Conner, you
know, post cut type of situation or bring in Nazi Harris.
Like I think they're always kind of in the mix for one of these
guys. So it's always been like a
little thin, but certainly now like, yeah, if you're like
whatever, dude, like I'm gonna I'm just gonna start drafting
him in the 18th. I think it's.
I think it's fine. All right, Pat, you famously
said on a previous episode of this show, You will not be a
slave to the slides. We do have slides.
And we're half an hour in. And here's one with the
president hanging out with Jackson Dart.
Yeah, hanging out a little Netflix and chill with Jackson
Dart. As as ever with the president,
it's. Sort of a normal comments about
our guy Jackson legs. He's got leg.
He's got legs like tree trunks, dude, Yeah.
Is that good? This is not a good thing for
women. Is a in what I would like a
little clarification on there. I mean it's.
Just it's just for what? It wasn't much sense.
You know, Donald Trump, Donald Trump came of age trying to get
musicals financed and, and he loves Jackson Dart.
I mean, we finally had our first gay president and and somehow
it's Donald Trump. It's such a bummer.
Is it? It's like he doesn't.
Donald Trump's like coming out but doesn't realize it.
But he's like. It's never not.
And then and then Abdul, and then Abdul Carter.
And then Abdul Carter is like, hey, what the fuck's going on?
And then I'm. Sure, I like to have Dakarter's
reaction a lot. Someone, someone from the Giants
I'm sure, made him then tweet. Hey man, I talked to Dart.
It's all good. It's all good.
Deleted everything right, Didn't he?
Yeah, yeah. That really solves the problem,
doesn't it? Yeah, I don't know.
We have no idea how he thinks. If you're if like the current
regime is bringing you on to like their stuff, like you can't
delete it, my man. Like this.
This lives on past whatever you're tweeting.
What's the difference it? Doesn't.
Yeah, it's just Yeah, it doesn't really help.
I'm I'm starting to be worried every every giant storyline.
Has there been 1 normal Giants thing that's happened this
offseason? Name name 1 normal thing that
happened with the Giants this offseason?
Like what? It's always.
Like, well, I mean, there has been like there, there has been
some actionable stuff on, on Dart where we've actually raised
him on some positive reports out of camp, local beat writer said.
I'm looking at Jackson, I'm looking at the legs there.
He's this beautiful guy. He's got legs like tree trunks.
This is not a good thing for women.
And you know that that was pretty bullish coming out,
coming out of camp. Yeah, signals he might run more
this year, I think, based on what I'm getting.
Out of the legs. Yeah, Yeah.
That's what that's like. True.
Pete, Pete had a if you, if you've not seen, if you've not
seen the swole cast today, it's literally worth it for Pete's
Jackson Dart joke today. I'm not even.
I'm not. Even gonna reproduce.
I'm not even gonna I'm. Not gonna reproduce it.
You gotta go, You gotta go watch it.
This is not a good thing for women is incredible on many
levels. Well, because what I like about
it, this is not a good thing for women is like, just to clarify,
I mean this sexually. Is there any other possibility?
There's no other possibility. Like just what is the point
though? It doesn't many levels.
It's incredible insane. No, no, normal.
It's it's and it's gonna continue being this way as long
as it's like Malik neighbors goes on the draft show can't
walk like needs help getting up off the couch four months after
his ACL reconstructive search. It's all good there.
Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it.
Malik neighbors is fine. Cam scataboo is like, like what
is his? I don't his whole deal.
You don't see him. He's standing just fine at the
rally here. Trump didn't say anything about
Scatabo's legs. That's yeah.
He's jumping up and down, holding that.
That's a red flag, yeah. That's he looks healthy as hell.
This is not a good thing for women.
Can you believe that? Can it?
Just don't. Even becomes.
I don't even really know what it means.
I don't know that's that's not good another level.
Well, in several levels. That's not a good thing.
God, they hired Matt Nagy. The giants.
This is something that I keep forgetting.
They hired Matt Nagy and and Greg Roman and Connor Rogers,
the, the beat writer said. Guys, don't worry about it.
If it's not going well, Harbaugh will just fire them.
They'll just fire them. That's what the wrestling.
They did. Brian Callahan also on the staff
for some reason. Got to bring in.
I don't even. I mean, that's like, that's like
when Karina and I realized that Freddie Kitchens was the tight
end coach. Yeah.
Greg Roman being on this staff is is kind of the Freddie
Kitchen moment it. Does it does sort of make you
wonder if this is the new cabinet, the Giants staff,
they're gonna. They're got, I mean.
Might be some overlap. I think well, there's used to
clearly in scatter. But maybe G Gen. says there's
some additional connections here.
So yeah, maybe, maybe the Giants are going to be bringing the.
Giants. I hit the best team in New York.
Hit again. I wouldn't be so sure, man.
Gino Gino back in the the homeland.
Giants on prime time weeks one and two.
Just what we all needed. Sunday night.
Monday night, well. Let's get Trump on the broadcast
for that. That'll happen, probably.
What's What's next? What is next?
I should know. Oh, it's Sam and Basil.
Oh oh boy, oh boy. Wow.
Wow, that's an old photo that's pulled up.
There that is an old. Photo that.
What's the story with the photo? What?
Is this like what happened? What's happened?
Because I was going to say you've you're skinnier in the
photo, but you're skinny now. So that's not, it's like, it's
not like you like, Oh, Sam's. Game.
No. Yeah, it's the hairline.
The hairline. The hairline took a lot of
damage over the last 10 years when this photo was taken.
I'm also much paler because I sit behind my desk all day
rather than, I don't know, whatever.
I was doing so you didn't get you didn't get sun hella skins.
I got a little sun, hella skiing, but, you know, it fades
away. Yeah, Tootin.
Should we we? We shouldn't really care about
his his fluky lack of explosive runs last year, right?
No. Is that Sam?
That Sam. You are, you are.
You are numerate enough to understand that that it's just
not enough care. Highly vowel This is that didn't
vowel for you I. Know yeah, this is the new This
is John Robinson had 0 rushes under 32 yards for the first two
years of his career. I I did mean that question
genuinely and not. Yeah, no, we know you're not
trolling. You've never.
Trolled before. I would never, I would never
troll with Mitchell Dutton. Yeah, he's I I would take him
over to Josh Jacobs. That's all the the primary, the
primary reason, the primary reason why I don't care is
actually many of the runs that he got were given in a part of
the field where even if he were to breakthrough the line
untouched, smashed through his safety, the field would have
ended because because a bunch of his carries came inside the 20
yard line. 4 for 51 in the playoff game.
Yeah, if he would have gotten five more rushes in that game,
guess what he would have had? He would have his first
underwear game. The Bills.
The Bills had no fucking chance. They.
Win. I think so too.
Yeah. Yeah.
Bucky Irving Wow, did this lead get buried today?
This So this lead did get buried.
We were doing. I actually don't think it did.
I don't think this lead. Was buried, correct?
No, but Crane people are freaking out.
I did a we did a BBM on the swoll cast today.
He went in the sixth round. He went in the Bucky, Irving
went in the dude. He went after Tootin.
He went before Josh Jacobs, dude.
I I just I couldn't like the the we knew he had this surgery.
It's it's he returned from this injury and played last year.
Why are we why are we freaking out?
Bro? What?
What's what's? Going on, we're freaking out
because I listen, I did freak out.
I want it on the record that I freaked out because I saw the
quote that Todd Bowles said that Bucky Irving will be back
sometime in the summer or fall and thought that seems bearish
as hell. And then I went and I looked, I
was like, is this like, what's up?
Is this real? You know, I went on Rotoworld.
They'd grabbed it. The reaction was, God damn,
that's bearish. You know, and I'm like digging
around. So I'm messaging the guys like,
this seems super, super bad. Like he's mentioning the fall in
May. Yes.
Is he like is, is is he like not interested in playing football
anymore? Like, where are we Like, why is
he mentioning the fall? You get to the actual quote.
Bulls is like being weird. Like he's like it.
It's a weird thing to say. Like he's like he's here.
He's doing all the things. He's like, done everything we've
asked him to do. He's like, rehabbing's gone
great. And you know he'll be back
sometime in the summer or fall, like.
So my theory is if if you live in Tampa Bay, Florida, do you
have a really good grasp on the transition between summer and
fall, right? Like if you're in New England,
you know when you know summer ends when the fall starts.
If you're in, he might not really know when fall starts.
That's that's my do you. Think he thinks falls.
In August, he might, yeah, he might think fall is still like
late August, might be fall like. To him, fall is just the start
of the football season. I think I think he would put so
little thought into like what he was saying that he was like
he'll be back in the summer or and then in his head he's like,
I don't fucking know, like at some point.
And then he said fall in his he like fall comes after summer.
So you left out. You left.
Out the last line of his actual quote, which was this is not
good news for women. You forgot to mention that.
I don't know why it's got to be political while you left that
out. This is not a good thing.
Political. That's censorship show.
I'm censoring Todd Bowles. I mean, come on, I I love Sam's
point here, but Bowles is an older coach who's been around
forever and has not only lived in Florida.
Like, I know you're not super serious about it, but why would
you even think to say or fall? Why wouldn't you just even pipe
him? I, I think in, in his mind, he
meant he'll either be back towards the end of this series
of training camp or he'll be back for real training camp.
That's what that's what I think Bowles meant.
OK. 52 So for me on this, I did not like I'm not reacting to the
news even like I think Schefter came out and like tweeted, you
know, he's still expected back by training camp.
Like I think this is like an ultimate non story.
I have like before this always thought that.
Bucky and Gainwell's prices should be a little bit closer
together just because of all the weirdness that happened last
year. They they paid Gainwell real
money this offseason, like 10 million guaranteed.
That's more than guys like Dobbins, Algier, you know, my
favorite player, Chris Rodriguez, Rico Dabble more than
all those guys got. He had a real role last year in
Pittsburgh, 77 receptions. Like that's nothing to hand wave
away in my opinion. And also I don't, I don't know
about you guys. Like he, he showed a bit more of
a touch ceiling than I thought was possible for Kenny Gainwell
with Jalen Warren out last year in Week 4, he racked up 26,
yeah, 26 touches in a game, 30 half PPR points, 19 carries, 6
targets. Like, I think there's a chance
that if Kenny Gainwell wasn't buried in Philadelphia to start
his career, you know, stylistically a really terrible
fit with Jalen Hurts, who does not really check it down to
running backs at all. I think there's a chance.
Like, we would think his talent level is a little bit higher
than we we think it is, you know, based on what happened
last season. So I just think I've always
thought this gap. Should I?
I still much prefer Bucky. I just think Bucky's like around
overvalued and Gainwell's like a little bit undervalued, right?
But. Yeah, I like that point about
Week 4, Sam. That was the game in maybe
Dublin against the Vikings and I thought just eye test.
Gainerwell looked great that day.
He was awesome, Yeah, and true workhorse role inside the five
touches got all that. Which by the way, I think the
other interesting thing about the box is just how they split
up the inside the five touches last year with I know Bucky was
out for a huge chunk of the season.
There's there's certainly some small sample flukiness in it,
but him getting 0 inside the five touches and and Sean
Tucker, who's still on the roster, I think getting like 60%
of the teams inside the five touches last season.
It it's just kind of, it's an interesting profile for, for a
guy like Irving with how early he goes and his potential to get
squeezed from from multiple directions.
Yeah, I mean, Gainwell when he entered the league, which was
back in 2021, you know, pop for me as like a second round rookie
pick type, which is the same tier that Bucky Irving was in
when he came in. Obviously Bucky immediately
started producing and I still prefer Bucky quite a bit to
Gainwell, who's taken a few years to even kind of carve out
like a secondary role. But I mean, when you look at
Gainwell, like he he was super explosive in college.
He had a 53% breakaway percentage, 48 breakaway yards
per game, which is pretty good. He had 2.46 yards per outrun,
which is elite. Like really, really strong
stuff. He he didn't have like he was,
he was kind of a committee back in college at Memphis.
He broke some tackles. He was decently consistent, but
he just like didn't get a ton of work.
And so with the guy like, Gainwell, you're like, hey, if a
guy he kind of like Bucky, we're like, hey, if a team ever
decided to like make this dude their starter, he could be
awesome. But probably that's never going
to happen. And so Gainwell, you know,
they're they're talking about him like he's kind of like Bucky
and like he is kind of like Bucky.
He's probably not someone you're going to treat as a true
workhorse starter ever. But I do.
It's like not great to have him in the backfield, especially if
the team values him, right. It's like one thing to have him
there because they took him in like the third or the on day
three and you know, he's kind of learning the offense or
whatever. Like they brought him in, they
paid him pretty good money. He he could be a thorn in his
side, which like fortunately, like we lowered Bucky Irving a
week ago now kind of on just like continued bearishness
around this being a true committee.
And I think Sean Tucker's good. So it just creates a kind of a
headache for for this whole backfield.
Another thing I'll note on the Bucks, I don't think Zach
Robinson's a good offensive coordinator.
I don't get the Hireright. We saw this team be great under
Canales. It was great under Cohen.
Really like an offense we wanted to invest in.
They struggled last year. They bring in Robinson, who I
thought kind of was it's like, I don't understand why he was in
the mix for another OC job after what he did in Atlanta last
year. So I, I don't like, I could see
this being one of those backfields where ultimately
we're like, why were we drafting 3 bucks running backs?
You know, and I I do draft, I draft all three of them.
I don't draft as much Gainwell as you can see.
The funny thing is Jacobs now the Gainwell Bowl after we had
the whole argument about him. But you know, I I don't have a
ton of gain. Well, I draft some some Tucker
late for sure. I think he's he's pretty
interesting. And Bucky when he gets into the
fifth round, I like him there. But yeah, I mean, I I also do
I'm the lowest on all three of them.
And I think some of that's because of the Bucks offense a
little bit. Does it mean anything to you
guys that Tucker had eight touchdowns last year?
How did that happen? Yeah, he's good.
Yes, he's good at that. Yeah, he.
Would not He would not have had a heart issue coming out of the
final year of Syracuse. He probably would have been like
a third round pick. Straight up, the the That's who
the Packers should get. Go get Sean Tucker.
What would you have to give? I'd much rather Sean Tucker than
Kimani Videl. It'd be tough today.
It'd be it'd be tough today. Summer or fall, they, they also
paid Tucker like, again, like digging too much into this
contract stuff can sometimes mislead you.
But they they didn't give him like the league minimum.
He got three and a half million guaranteed from the Bucks.
Like that's more than the Brian Robinson tier, more than a bunch
of the league minimum deal. So I, I do think they have a
real Tucker. Tucker, Yeah.
It was A tag though. It was A tag.
Well, like, yeah, but they could have not.
They could have not tagged him. They could have not tagged him
like they valued him at 3 point. Yeah, I get it.
That's true. That's true.
Yeah. And yeah, I mean, I think the
role he's going to have is what he had last year, which is he
had 50% of 55% of inside the five rush attempts, like base
projection wise. Certainly he can lose that if if
Bucky is fully back and wins that rollback.
But I think Tucker's going to have the goal line role to start
the year. Would be surprised if he didn't.
OK, yeah, I mean, like, I mean show up.
Are you, are you like, are you like, like the the coaches who
when the guy goes nuts on your team, you you got to bring that
guy in. Are you trying to get Sean
Tucker on the Bills because he went nuts on the Bills?
But. He did have 140 and three
against them here. Last year crushed the Bills.
He looked so good. He looked so good.
They had that trait. The Bills run defense where like
the Kendra Miller's and Sean Tucker.
Yeah, yeah. Just sort.
Of blew him up. Yeah.
Although Denver didn't run on him and they still put up points
in the 30s and beat him in the playoffs.
I don't know. Yeah.
I'll take him. I I mean, I think Tucker can
play yeah and and yeah, like you guys are saying, that's the hard
condition is why he fell He he could play in college like this
is a good running back. It just could get messy here.
I despite again kind of being a little bit lower than than you
guys are on Tucker. I, I have a decent amount of him
I get I he's he's one of those late round running backs that
I'm like maybe he's I he's not the RB2, but I'm like he he's
the RB2 at the goal line. He might be the RB one at the.
Goal. Probably the RB one at the goal
line. I think he's, yeah, I think he
is Summer. Or fall, summer or fall.
Kind of incident. We've got a digs video that I
can't access. This is a first for me, not
being able to see the slide in advance and it's crushed out.
I think I can describe it. It's the.
Worst workout video I've ever seen.
Yeah, he's like caught. On the next slide now.
Yeah, it kind of looks like he's just like humping the ground
while he's doing the workout. He's doing, he's doing like 3,
he's doing like 3 inch push ups with about 65 pounds, 65 lbs of
plates on his back. It's, it's one of those, you
know, personal trainers love to sell professional athletes.
Absolute bullshit. It's, it's one of those where
it's like, oh, you know, this is gonna help with your appropriate
reception and your reaction timing and it's, it's terrible.
They it's not something you should ever do.
Another Stefan Diggs humping themed video I've been exposed
to and I'm. Grateful this is this is not
ideal. Yeah, appreciate that.
He also locks eyes with the camera towards the end.
Yeah, yeah. OK.
Stefan Diggs though, but like now that he is not going to I, I
don't think he's going to find any suspension.
I mean, he's, he's basically my #1 receiver to get in drafts
right now. Interesting.
I think, I think there's the only bad spot he could sign is
the Ravens. Like that would be the spot
where you'd be like, well fuck, now I.
Have Yeah no, the Ravens would never sign someone like Stefan
Diggs. That's.
Not their whole Ravens build their move.
They'd never sign a 32 year old wide receiver, make it rare, a
number he's never worn before, and then he's just like easily
out of the NFL. After and he's like actually
like pretty good when he plays but they like only play him 18
snaps per game. It would never happen.
To you it would. Never.
It would never. You know, It'd never be Dez
Bryant, DeSean Jackson, DeAndre Hopkins.
Totally impossible. Dez Bryant had targets in the
playoff game here in after the in the COVID season.
Incredible. What negligence?
Speaking of digs, 'cause I I just want to ask you guys about
debo 'cause I I still am drafting a a good amount of
debo. Raiders.
Raiders would be great. Dolphins I would take, I would
take Dolphins on, on Debo. What about back to the 49ers for
like a pittance? Well Davis, we we got 49 minutes
in this was a stribling, but they drafted to show dribbling
with the. We're all big, so I don't think
a stribling hook. What about the No one really
mentions the Rams anymore for wide receiver editions for some
reason, but they're what they need. 3 is is Kanata Mumfield or
Jordan Whittington. Oh, you're.
In it I thought you thought he was an interesting young
prospect. Yeah, no, he has a good yards
for outrun profile. Let me, let me pull that up.
How dare you. That is a very good pull, Pat.
That was. Very good.
Well, well, I mean, to to extend that thought even further about
going back to the Rams. They've let it be known.
I mean, they've really put it out there.
We kind of think Devante Adams might be cooked.
They were, they were maybe going to take Makai Lemon.
They were involved in the trade. It was reported.
They've been involved in the trade discussions for A.J.
Brown. Like I think they know, Like
they don't think Adams is cooked.
They don't think he's cooked, but they know like he's
eventually going to be cooked. They they understand the balance
of probability is we could show up in Week 4 and this guy could
his hamstring and could go and that could just be it.
I mean. Not a mum, Feld.
Are you? Are you going for it or are you
not? And they're always going for it.
They're the Super Bowl favorite if he does land in LA.
Yeah, they're they're going for it by taking Ty Simpson.
We know one thing. Come on.
This is not a good thing for women.
If that happens, I'll keep pushing that on, Pat.
Stephan Diggs workout video. Not not get a full belly laugh
from me. It's a shirt.
Next next week in the cold open something using that line
attempted. This is not a good thing for
women. That's the new name.
I mean, it makes sense as a tagline for the show overall to.
It does, yeah. No, it's.
Just raise your hand if you have a woman, a grown woman upstairs
in your house right now that you're not attending to or doing
anything for. You know, it's all of us.
Probably not Pat. I live in a one time, it's a
one. 4 Ranger Ranger Ranger. Technicality.
Adjacent technicality. Mystery riser.
Hmm, this ought to be fun. I know the answer to this one.
I I peaked. Who would you rather draft, T
Higgins or The Mystery? Riser.
That's Xavier worthy, I think. No.
I I peeked so I'm not going to guess.
I I haven't I haven't peaked yards per hour on 1.64 targets
from 19.4%. Actually Xavier worth a year for
our run I think might. Be let let me give you like a
route rate from last year to to help out with this 40, I think
45% average route participation in the season. 45% Trey.
Harris, Matthew. Gold.
Check that Let. Me Fact Check that hand.
He was in the one fives, I think.
It's better than all these guesses.
It's better guys all. These 40 Luther Burden.
No, he had way better. Yards per hour.
Yeah, he's like 2.82 yards per hour run Jaden.
Reed, try to get in Zack's head. He's not giving you, you know.
All that's in Zack's head is So you think You can tout.
That's the only thing that's in his head.
This dude. This dude, every minute he's
not, he's working with Peter on So You Think.
He had he had time for this. The chat, the chat's backing me
up that I have that I have not peaked yet, so I appreciate
that. Guy, QJ.
QJ No. No QJ.
Right, Sam? Way more.
Josh scans from the chat. No, it's a year three guy.
It's another year three guy though.
Another year 3. Guy Vlad Mcconkie Old Guy old.
For a year, Ricky Guy, not Ricky Pierce.
Ricky Pierce. No, he'd had more rapid.
Position this guy is getting, he's getting drafted.
In Adonai Mitchell. Closer.
Getting closer, closer ADP range Wix.
He might be available in last call tonight.
Not quite. Not quite.
Vele. Flournoy people have guessed.
Yes, yeah, yeah. Flournoy.
Yeah, Flournoy. I I don't really get it.
I don't really get Fortnoy. What I the Fortnoy?
Thing is, so it's just it is erasing the existence of Marquez
Valdo's gambling. It's like people actually don't
realize MBS is on the roster. MBS.
Got with that name. Got cut on the from the Seahawks
last year and got like 100K guaranteed from the Cowboys.
I I don't. Think hey, hey Zach, clip that
please everyone, everyone please clip that after not.
Sure, he gets. Cut no after Nathan Yankee blue
skies. In a surprising move, Marquez
Baldness scaling was third amongst all wide receivers with
47 snaps played for the Cowboys Week 1.
Ryan Flournoy was forced into an ancillary role.
Ancillary. Role.
As ancillary role as CD Lamb's direct positional backup, that
leaves Flournoy's route ceiling at about 10 per game.
In other fantasy news, Sam Sherman, winner of Best Ball
Mania 6, an absolute shambles as Marcus Baldus scantling catches
3 balls for 40 yards and drops a touchdown in Week 11.
I'm sorry dude, Brian Flournoy is the most Marquez Callaway ass
pick on the board. Yeah, and that's why.
I'm not. I mean, Callaway, you know, in
fairness to the Flournoy drafters, got up into the tenth
round. Yeah, in fairness to the Thorn
rafters, I recall you touting 1. Dontavian Wicks Who this he At
least he's not the wide receiver for on on the Cowboys, just the
wide receiver 3. In fairness to the Flournoy
drafters is a beautiful. Fairness to the Flournoy
drafters. That is a that is.
AI think so with Flournoy, I don't know, I don't think he's
some amazing pick, but I I think that last year he he proved a
couple things. One, I think he's clearly the
the Cowboys preferred option for wide receiver.
Three, they let Jalen Tolbert go, who was actually started the
season as wide receiver. Three, they let him go, they
scaled down Camante Turpin's role a lot towards the end of
the season. I don't really want to hear much
about MVS, you know, making 100K guaranteed, but we'll see on
that. Davis, he also proved I think he
can have contingent upside when CD Lamb is out.
He had a 22 half PPR point game in week 14 when CD Lamb missed
most of the game with concussion.
He had a 15 half PPR point game in Week 5 when CD was out.
This is just an offense that is going to throw the ball a ton.
I think regardless of you know the personnel that's out there.
I think if either CD or George Pickens missed time, Flournoy
sees a pretty big boost in targets and I think he can be OK
enough, you know, as an 18th, 17th round pick.
Like even if those guys stay healthy, just as a year three
player coming off 1.7 yards for Outrun, like it was a solid
enough season that I'll buy into it a little bit.
But yeah, I guess like comparing him to like another team wide
receiver three that goes in that range.
Like Isaac, Tesla goes 10 picks. Earlier, Tesla's a terrible
pick. OK.
This is a terrible but, but the thing I think, Sam, that the,
the tough part with your argument, which I don't really
disagree with, is that he's not going in the 16th round.
He's going, he's going in the 15th.
Like he's risen up past where like 16th, 17th, 18th like, but
he's in the 15th now. Like when I think about Ryan
Flournoy, he's gone and he's like he's gone like 10 picks
ago, You know, Like he it's just like I don't really get as a guy
who you're taking like as a Dantavian witch type of pick, as
an AD Mitchell type of pig where you're like, I like him better
than Mitchell. Is the wider Super 3 on The
Jets? I mean, the wider Super 3 on the
Cowboys, sure. But like that was 50 picks ago,
man. You know, he's, he's a long,
Yeah. I do think like when you get to
that range, like so he's going next to other wide receiver
threes. I mean, I guess Ridley is
debatable if he's the two or three, depending on what you
think of Wandale, Jerry, Judy, I guess also debatable depending
on the guys that they brought in this year.
So I think it depends what like if if you're looking for more of
the upside, like rookie arc type, like I think it's totally
fine to go with like the stribling, whatever branch guys,
Chris Bell over him. I guess if you are just like
looking for more of the, the veteran type, I like don't have
a problem with them relative to other veterans in that range.
So I don't know. I, I I guess I'm just saying I
don't think he's a horrible pick.
I don't think he's he's an amazing thing by any means.
You know, soon enough we have to talk about some of the headshot
changes, like the Higgins one threw me, right?
It's a different headshot. And some are talking, including
Pete on his show this morning talking about Trevor Lawrence
and the the shorter hair. There are changes in the
landscape in one of these weeks will be quieter.
For news, we can dig into the headshots.
I know you guys would love that. Risers, Zach.
Zach called this list the saddest he'd ever seen.
It's pretty bad. It's pretty.
It's pretty bad. Erin Rodger, Xavier Worthy, Ted
Hurst, Stefan Diggs, Darnell Mooney, Fucking Darnell Mooney,
Tucker, Jonathan Brooks. What is going on with the
Darnell Mooney? What's going on with that?
It's it's the corresponding neighbors fault.
Why are we channeling all that into Darnell Mooney and not like
Darius Sladen Malachi? I guess I I don't like
immediately. Well, I mean, I would think of
all people to stand up for Darnell Mooney.
I I would figure that he would find a defender in use.
I'm. Sure.
Well, this is very bearish for Darnell Mooney.
Yeah, I mean. Darnell Mooney.
I mean, look, if he had cracked my Week 17 lineup last year, we
might, I might be singing a different tune.
But he did not get it done. And.
I, I, I heard Nez, I heard Nez make a pretty good take today,
which is if I'm willing to, if I'm willing to give Xavier
Worthy a pass for playing with Torn Labrum, I should give
Mooney a pass for playing with dislocated shoulder.
The the issue is, is that Mooney has really never been good.
There just was the one. Season I I so wish that it was
not Malachi Fields on the giants and that it was Ted Hurst or
that it was Chris Bell or like someone that I really liked
because I thought Fields was a dog shit prospects like I just
was like this guy stinks but. Yeah, I'm not in the fields.
I've been taking him a little bit just because I'm like, well,
I'm not taking Mooney and you know, I I'm like done with
Darius Slayton, bro. Like enough of Darius Slayton
being an 18th round pick. Like you go to hell and every
draft you have to star Darius Slayton in the 7th circle of
hell at the end every time. I mean, part of the problem is,
OK, So what are we looking for with the Giants?
I mean, I know like, you know, I guess part of the case here is
that like, look, you're getting like the wide receiver 2IN
Darnell Mooney. At this point we're drafting
like wide receiver threes and stuff on worst teams.
So like, I guess I could see it. But when you're really like
hoping to get the production on Darnell Mooney, it really is
kind of front loaded with with Malik neighbors not back.
And like, look, he's probably not even hitting your lineup if
you drafted a decent team. Like it's not like Mooney's
gonna be crushing. He's gonna like maybe pepper in
some usable weeks. Like if you don't have any
receivers, but you probably do, you know, and they're probably
healthy. So it's, it's like this
production's like maybe not even going to any use.
And then presumably neighbors is, is healthy and the clear #1
commanding a huge target chair like Calvin Austin might be the
number 2 target ultimately out of the slot.
Like maybe, you know, from a routes perspective, Mooney might
outpace him, but I'm not sure he's truly ahead of Slayton.
So I, I don't know what, you know, if you even have that
there. And then you also have a guy
like this is a team with a rushing quarterback.
OK, I'm looking at the legs there.
He's this beautiful guy. He's got legs like tree trunks.
This is not a good thing for women.
Or Darnell Mooney. I I walked into your take
thinking this is going to be a joke.
You went on for like 3 minutes like and then I got tired.
No it's not. Then it was I was right in the
1st place I knew. It was it's analysis and a joke.
Sam, you were going to say. Yeah, no, I was going to just
list off some wide receivers who got the same or more guaranteed
money than Darnell Mooney this offseason.
Khalif, Khalif, Raymond. Funniest.
Possible bonus ones if anyone knows what team he's on.
He is on. Sadly, I do know this one.
He's on the Chicago Bears. Relevant to me as a Xavion
Thomas drafter. Yeah, exactly.
Some other names here, Marc Marcuse Brown.
Remember him? Eagle 5 receiver 5 on the Eagles
now. Taekwon Thornton easily doubled
up Cleve Ring. Easily and hey.
Darnell Mooney and Guarantee. I dropped a little Taekwon
Thornton. This is just as a treat.
Kendrick Bourne easily, easily doubling up the amount of money
Darnell. Mooney OK, Do you guys know what
Kendrick Bourne is on? Arizona.
There you go, show. Yeah, I don't know if you saw
that pad, I snuck him onto your whatever to last call whatever
that was called team. That is what it's called.
That one week, yeah. You got kinder born on there?
Oh no. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're.
Calling that just the tip. We're oh, just the tip, Yeah.
Oh, that's right, you looked like you needed some stable
veteran Roger Cedar production. Thank you.
Thank you, Sam. Yeah.
So you.
Could go back to it tonight for your own team or Jacob.
I mean, it's probably gonna be there for you if you want it.
That's true I do. The only point I had looking at
this risers, because I agree this is like the most pathetic
list of all time. I think I I must disagree with
you guys on the Ted Hearst thing.
I I really I I don't get the the Ted Hearst rise again.
Not that I don't think he's a viable 18th 17th round pick, but
I guess to your point on on Fornoy, Pat, he's, you know,
surpassed that Now this is what round 1516?
I guess if I'm just playing the game like as someone who's not
super deep on the prospect stuff, if I'm just playing the
game of guy with Round 2 around 3 draft capital with a path to
playing time. Like I don't get why we're
ranking Ted Hurst so much higher above guys like Chris Brazell.
Like seems like me like beating out Xavier like at is easier
than beating out Jalen McMillan, Ibuka and Chris Godwin, both the
Dolphins wide receivers Chris Bell and Caleb Douglas way
easier path to playing time than Ted Hurst in my opinion, Fields
Bell. 'S coming off a torn ACL, which
I think very much complicates his path to playing time.
Sure, yeah, that's that's certainly the exception.
Zechariah branch I mean his path to playing time is Johan Dodson
and Ilama de Zacchaeus Germany Bernard drafted like a full
round of Ted Hurst. They're now back-to-back in ADPI
think his path to playing time is much, much clearer than Ted
Hurst. So I know there's this quote
about like we view him as an X. Looking at the rest of that
quote, the next thing that was it.
I think it was Bowles said after that, or maybe it was offensive
coordinator. Anyways, this is pulled from
Coach Speak Index. The next part of that quote was
that's where you see the flexibility of Jaylen McMillan
and Mecca Educa and Chris Godwin.
Those guys can line up everywhere and there's really no
true X, no true F, no true Z. You've got a bunch of different
versatility from a pretty cool skill group.
So I don't think that quote was saying at all that like, Tedders
is the actual defense and that he wasn't just like, yeah, he
wasn't saying that. But I think that's what this ADP
rise is like kind of banking on I I just don't really I
personally don't don't really get it.
But clearly you guys you guys disagree.
So I'm curious you're. Yeah, I mean, I the quote is not
why the quote explains the rise. It's not why I like him.
I mean, I don't think it's necessarily bearish that they
said, you know, we view him as an X because he clearly is an X.
So it's like at least they like, know what type of receiver they
drafted accurately, which doesn't always happen.
You know, you see these guys like immediately get miscast.
But I do think it, you know, it's he fits that receiver room.
His skill set is something they don't have, right?
Chris Godwin at this point, his career needs to be kind of the
power slot. He's not going to play X for
you. He might not even play
particularly well for you no matter where he is.
And then Abuka is not an X. He's more of a Slaughter AZ.
And then McMillan is also more of a Slaughter AZ receiver.
So I actually think Hurst has a very clear path.
The playing time is the kind of traditional X perhaps, you know,
he's kind of like a Darius Slayton a little bit sacrificed
to the defense a lot of the times, you know, like, maybe
that doesn't come as like a super high target role, but I
liked Hurst a lot as a prospect. I thought he again, like what he
did, fits like kind of who he is.
He's this bigger. He's he's pretty tall.
He's he's like 206 lbs. He plays outside, he catches
balls like 10 plus yards in deep down field and he like dominated
this, you know, not great teams passing offense for two seasons
as a year three-year 4 player. So it's like he looks like a
pretty, pretty good bet to be able to be good at the thing the
team both recognizes he's good at and doesn't have an any other
wide receiver on the roster currently.
So that's where I think his path to playing time is like pretty
clear compared like Brazil, like they like Terrell McMillan is
going to be playing outside. You know, Jalen Coker can play
outside too. So in 12 personnel, is he is he
playing like I think Hurst could be playing alongside of Buca and
12 personnel down the stretch. I think that's where that
outside skills skill set really factors in.
I mean, I also not a McMillan guy.
I think Mcmillan's been kind of ridiculously overdrafted all, I
mean, all offseason. So yeah, so I am, I am very much
betting against Jail McMillan to be an outside wide receiver for
this team if, if Ted Hurst is any good at all.
Yeah, I guess I I'd still be surprised IF2 wide receiver sets
Hearst is playing over at Buca and Godwin I I totally.
Get that? Not over at Buca, not over
Ibuca. Over over Godwin I, I completely
buy that. Yeah, I I just don't think it's.
The Trey Harris thing. Ladd Mcconkey comes off for Trey
Frickin Harris. Yeah, I I just think like Godwin
is still probably a much better. Like a lot of the reason why you
have wide receivers coming off the field in 12 personnel is
like blocking reasons. I don't think like it's ever
been a knock on Chris Godwin that he's not a good run
blocker. I don't think they're throwing
out rookie Ted Hurst in in 12 personnel over Chris Godwin for
blocking reasons. Like, I don't know, Like I get,
I get the X thing, but I think. Of like, it's not just blocking
though, it's like can't. Who stretches the field?
Who keeps the defence honest, right?
Yeah. Like you don't want the defence
collapsing down if you're trying to like, run the ball.
Like you need to be able to like space the defence out
vertically. It helps to have a guy with
speed. Godwin doesn't have speed
anymore. Like maybe he can be like an
underneath guy for you, a consistent target earner out of
the slot. But you know, I, I just don't, I
mean, when I say that I think Purse can be playing in 12
personnel, I do mean down the stretch, like I don't think week
3, he's going to be playing over Chris Godwin in 12.
But I think like he can get himself established and you
know, as a reliable guy. And you know, I do think he can
play out of 12 and certainly out of 11.
He can be, you can be, he can have, you know, a role that gets
him 6570% round participation as we as we get down the stretch
for sure. I'll just say, listening to this
excellent debate, I've decided to make a futures bet.
I think all four teams in the NFC South are playing to win.
They're all equal. I mean, 8 and 9 won the
division. Carolina, right?
Sort of like the Saints stuff. Kellen Moore a little bit like
the the receiver pick. You've got 2 in Atlanta could
work. There's stuff there.
Canales I'm betting under on the Bucks.
I don't think they're going to be serious.
I just like. What's the over under again?
8 1/2. Yeah, I'll take the under. -128
1/2 I'm doing that right. Now, I like that.
I like that they their defense isn't gonna be great.
It's. Your fault.
It it'll be OK, I think the I think it's gonna be OK they'll
be OK let's actually a disaster but.
Let's pop that to under 7 1/2 for plus 140 the box.
Oh, who has more fun than people?
You want to get to Fallers? Let's do it.
Rashi Rice.
Who? Brissett, Chimera Tyree kill.
More on him later. Ninjoku, Gadsden Stowers, Chris
Bell, Charbonnay. Yeah.
Brissett start week one for Arizona.
Does he ever come back? What's going to happen there?
Do they pay him? That man, then I don't know.
Who's advising Jacoby Brissett? Who's advising the Cardinals is?
Yeah, like these are, these are two ships passing.
What if they're the same person? This is this is like how this is
like how like the Titanic and the Lusitania both happen within
three years of each other and it's.
Like it's. It's insane, dude.
It's it's insane, like you're trying to lose.
Just give Jacoby his money. Like let let Trey McBride go get
his records like it does. Do we really want to watch
Carson back? No, we don't.
But equally, hey, man, you're Jacoby Brissette.
You have a chance to start like a whole season somehow.
Don't signal that you're not willing to do it under your
current contract before the draft.
Wait until after the draft. They've got leverage now, man.
What? Do you think he wants like 1 for
one for 25? Yeah, he wants, he wants like 10
million more dollars probably. He's making 3, isn't he?
He probably just wants like one for 15.
I bet he just wants something respect.
Like he's not even getting respectable backup money right
now. So I kind of get why he's pissed
off. But yeah, he's right.
Doesn't have a leverage. I think he's going to settle.
Is he right? He he was he was quite bad on
the Patriots and he was like solid enough last year.
But I don't know, you signed the two year man like you could have
done the one year and tried to go get paid like you.
You're a quarterback, like you'll be you'll get paid again.
Someone, someone's going to give you if you do a serviceable job
this year, you'll get paid like pretty good backup money next
year. But if he gets replaced by
Gardner Minshew and Carson Beck this year doesn't really play
much. Was a pain in the Cardinals ass.
He's not going to get paid. Like, I don't know, it just
seems like a it's not a good plan.
I I think ultimately what he's banking on, and it maybe is not
even that bad of a bet. It's like there's one thing to
like know you're going to be the worst team in the league.
It is another thing to be like, we are basically going to have
Kendall Hinton starting every game at quarterback for us.
Like everyone in the whole building is going to show up to
the show up to work and just fucking hate it.
Just everyone showing up to the building like, well, I guess
we're going to lose by 32 this week.
If you're contemplating a holdout and the team that you're
holding out from can credibly say fuck it, let's just start
Cardinal Minshew instead, it's basically the same thing.
Then don't hold out that's you don't have leverage.
Yeah, I, I don't, I don't, I don't disagree.
I mean, I think the Cardinals should just give him, whatever,
$15 million. But like I, it's just so it is a
very odd situation. Is it less than the owner?
Is it less? I mean Sam do?
You have a list of I'm going, I'm going live to Sam.
Sherman. There's a lot that we won't
believe. Let me look up, guys.
Let me look up quarterbacks who've got more money than
Jacobi Brusett. Kyle Allen, Is he making more?
Make sure make sure you're on Ethernet Sam.
I don't want you to drop off the stream.
It's a. It's a long list of.
Players a long list yeah he if you're if you're ownership,
though, or if you're if you're the general manager.
Do you want percent like what's the isn't this kind of good for
you Like you you go hey, you know what let's start Minshew.
Oh, Minshew stinks. Damn, we lost four games in a
row. Just want to put him back.
He held back Minshew because that, I think, is a he.
Didn't he, He, he did he didn't tear his ACL.
They thought he did it first. He he just had like APCL sprain
or whatever. So I think he's good to go.
He. Is maybe their week 1 starter.
Maybe, but like get the 101, get the get the best shot at
quarterback next year, have your pick of the class next year.
They are. They are in the NFC West.
They are underdogs in literally every game on their schedule
already. I think they can sort of try to
for appearances, make it look OK, and then still accomplish
that, or try to. I wouldn't, I would not pay
percent if I were them. I would go, let's let Percent
make it look like he's putting What we would prefer actually is
lose many games as possible and Berset's probably better than
the other options. So let's have this look like
it's per Set's fault that we're going to not have a quarterback
and look awful. And as much better as he might
be, they went like one in 12 in his starts.
Yeah, I don't I don't think Menchu is that much of A
downgrade. Like even for the the weapons in
this offense, like Menchu is going to dump the ball off a ton
to McBride, probably to Jeremiah Love as well.
I think it's like functionally, I don't think they're that
different of quarterbacks at this point in their career.
So I'm not that worried about it from like a Cardinal's skill
position, player outcome, it's. Just no, I'm not really there,
yeah. Preset, I think is like pretty
close to. He was already like very
teetering undraftable. Like now to me he's like
basically undraftable. Yeah, it's just like.
Wanna weigh in on a good receiver debate?
Devante Adams versus Roma Dunze. We have loggerheads.
By Shel Tootin, who's? Yeah, to me, that's Adams all
day. Yeah, it's Adams for me.
But I'm, I think I'm above market on both, both these guys.
So I like them both quite a bit. ADP51 for Adams, 56 for a Dunze.
That's the next slide. The next.
I've been happy to get well, well before if we're going
there. Yeah.
Let me just ask you guys want stowers real quick because I
mean, I'm getting a lot of stowers right now and I'm kind
of loving it. I'm also starting to see Siddiq
fall a little bit. Yeah, I feel like Siddiq Fall is
very nice. Siddiq is so nice.
Yeah, he's he's starting to fall where I'm taking him now because
I I was fading him at the original price, but he's
starting to get kind of in range where I'm actually drafting him,
which I've, which I've enjoyed. I don't want to completely fade
the the Super athlete tight end. I thought he was overpriced and
I never not as much. I basically never see Omar
Cooper Junior in my in my queue, so I am totally.
Comfortable. I'm drafting a ton of Omar
Cooper. Dude, I get old 140 so many
jets. It's it's kind of disturbing how
many jets I'm drafting right now.
No, I feel like they're old. Those are the Wilsons for me.
Yeah, Why are you? Why are you out on Cooper?
He's so cheap. Cuz I take Stephon Diggs
instead. I don't need, I don't need no
fucking Jacquard tree when Stefan Diggs is gonna shoot up
80 spots, 40 spots in ADP in a week.
Seriously. Like I, I'll give you, I'll give
you the easiest recipe for CLV right now.
Diggs signs Rams, Chargers, Chiefs, Raiders, Dolphins.
Where this dude, this dude is signing and going 40 spots
higher. He's going, he's going in the
seventh round. No, he's not.
He wasn't he. Wasn't he?
Was 12th in the NFL in yards per out run last year.
He got cut by the team and that happened on.
He got cut because he was maybe going to be in jail.
They could have wait. They could have saw it out.
And, and he's also a Dick, right?
He's also a Dick. He wears out his welcome.
This is his thing. He wears out his welcome.
He goes to a new place. He.
I was I was into digs before he got caught.
I was like, what? You know, it's fine.
They're not going to cut him. He like everything you're saying
is he's good. He still clearly has stuff left
in the tank. But like them cutting him, he's
worn out his welcome repeatedly. Chop tried to tell me he's like,
listen, I I lived this. But I was like literally but but
he he, he's a. Dick, they knew they had A.J.
Brown and they can't coexist. He's a Dick.
He goes to a new place and he plays well.
He does. He's done it everywhere, every
team. He's been on four different
teams. He's been good for all of them
even though he's a Dick. I keep trying to force bills
into your list. I don't think that'll happen
because when Joe Brady took over, what he did was basically
phase out digs. So I don't think it's more
complicated than that, but I think.
He needs to be someone new, right?
Shakur is still in that like he had ankle surgery.
They could think there's like AII think Debo Interesting.
I think there could still be some appetite.
I, I, I, dude, let me tell you, Let me tell you, Joe, Joe Brady
cooking up screens for Debo Samuel.
He's fucking, he's going, he's going to sleep thinking about.
About the screens. For Debo.
'S he's like, dude, and we're going to sleep watching them.
I would love we. Love the screens around here.
The the issue is every 4 yard dig to Debo is a four yard dig
that's not going to Skylar Bell. I, I actually crane.
So I swore office towers for a little bit because I was going
into the draft stuff at like he was my most drafted guy in the
pre draft contest. I was like, I, I got to trim
this back a little bit, but I'm I'm into it.
I'm into it now a little bit because I mean, one, he's like
eighteenth round and like Friar Muth is starting to get
expensive and some people are into Terence Ferguson.
So I can't get those guys every time now.
Just sometimes just need a different third tight end.
And I think there's a a good bit of chance that the 12 personnel
revolution includes our our twink King Eli Stowers for the
for the Eagles. Yeah, I mean, this is such a
cheap price to to find out if if Stowers is actually, you know, a
pretty damn good receiver like he could.
You know, I, I thought Harold Fannon was more fun last year
because, you know, he's so productive.
But Stowers had more draft capital and I think.
And was also very productive. He's also pretty productive.
And that's a Mackie. Yeah, I mean, it's like it's,
I'm not like it's not as much about kind of a brand like I'm
I'm so happy to be in on this guy type of thing for me with
Stowers as it was last year with Fannon.
But I'm I'm pretty in. You want it now he's falling
close to pick 200. I mean, seriously, like we're
we're talking Eli Stowers. We're racing to get him on last
call, like next week, last call, Eli Stowers, like, come on,
what's what's going on? The rest of the show has been
postponed until next week and then we'll pick that up.
Right. Like a hockey game where the
sorry for the lack of hockey content tonight.
I apologize for that on Jacob's behalf.
Well. Well, the Avalanche, the
Avalanche are are looking like they're going to get swept, so
that's fine by me. That's your excuse?
Yeah. But you know, sometimes the
glass breaks with like a minute left in the period.
They just push the third period until after the intermission.
They move that up. We could move up the week off
and then come back. Then long game gets towers in
last call, but we have to fight over who goes first.
I might, I might like just launch the stream.
They just just go, just go completely rogue.
I forgot you were in charge of that.
Yeah, I, I, I'm in charge of the controls.
So like, you know, just hype. It I feel like if you I wanted.
To do that dream would be like good night on ADP chasing.
I take Eli Stowers in Last Call, starting the show with with the
last call for the first time ever.
I think if you do that as punishment you should be forced
to monologue the entire ADP chasing with all the slides.
Just solo we do. It we'll cover our mouths and
you can say everybody's words like last week, we'll just do
this. Again, that is one of my many
talents. Yeah, that is stoned right now.
I'm actually not stoned right now.
This is just imagine, imagine, imagine if I was stoned.
I'm already in the world. We could do Odoonsay Adams if
there's more to say, or go to Insider Last Calling.
No, let's let's do so. Was this a debate?
Who's having this debate? Your ranking you verse Davis
apparently. Oh well, Davis just seems very
low on. And, and you know what?
I moved to doonsay down today. I, I am, I am down on Adams just
'cause he's fucking 33. But I, I moved to doonsay down
because I'm starting to fear that he just was never good.
I I fear that he was victim of best game of his career came in
a game against the Colts wherein his team ran 95 offensive plays.
Let me give you that. Just telling us that they're all
stoned. Nick my guy buddy, never.
Missed me, Davis, let me try to get you back in on on a Dean's
area real quick, so. I'm I'm listening.
I think people do forget a little bit he had this, this
injury last year. It ended up being a.
Week 6. Yeah, yeah, Foot injury, Week 6,
it started. There's like debate about when
it actually started. It started officially appearing
on the injury report around Week 8 or 9, but he says it affected
him even before that. Anyways, if you if you just say
the cut off is Week 9, when that first started to appear on the
injury report, from weeks 1 to 8, Roma Dunze had a 26% target
share, 16 PPR points per game. That'd have been wide receiver 9
on the season in terms of points per game and then from weeks 9
to end of the season he dropped all the way to 7.2 PPR points
per game. He was completely useless,
including when he came back in the playoffs after the time he
actually missed games for that foot injury.
So it really was a tale of two seasons for a doomsday.
I think you can spin the like he was injured upside case and just
given like the other top 2 pass catchers on this offense, I
think are really talented guys, but also players where you can
like poke holes in the small sample nature of their
production. Luther Burden really was just a
yards per route run king, but he didn't really prove it on a, you
know, full route basis really anytime last season outside of
maybe one or two games, Colson Loveland proved his worth, but
over, you know, just the last 6-8 or so games this season.
So I think there's enough uncertainty and upside where I'm
willing to bat a doomsday at at pick 56.
I've been certainly taking him there.
Yeah, for me, I mean. Career yards per route run is.
Probably like 335 it's. Not it's not good man, it's
really bad. It wasn't good as a rookie. 1.18
as a rookie running a ton of route 624 routes and.
It's not good for a woman either.
It's not good for women. Some will, some would say.
It's how about how about this? How about how about everyone
reframes it this way, it's worse than Xavier worthy.
How does? How does that?
Yeah, it was a concerning rookie season.
He I did not take much room with Doones last year.
And I was worried in the beginning season that that was
going to look pretty bad. But ultimately it didn't look
that bad. And, you know, maybe that was I
got bailed out by the injury. But I also think of Doones, if
you think about him down the stretch, what else was
happening? Well, they're replacing all the
media, Zacchaeus and DJ Moore, who's pretty washed with sorry,
sorry, but you know, and then they they're replacing them with
Luther Burden, who we're taking first of all these guys.
And then Colston Loveland, who looks like he might be the next
star tight end. So his target competition got
worse despite, you know, the two guys he was playing alongside in
the early part of last year, now not on the team anymore.
So I mean starter comes has got worse for him.
So yeah, I I think a doonsie when he falls to the 6th.
I actually like taking him because this is an offense I
actually do want to bet on. Despite the haters saying the
sidekick doesn't draft bears. We do draft some bears sometimes
drive to the common on guy twice clicking top guy live on stream.
You can you can check it out leg up YouTube channel.
But you know, we we have Roma doonsie.
To me, it's like, yeah, if I can get him in a little bit of a
discount to this when the when like Christian Watson's gone,
when the the really exciting, you know, top ten wide
receivers, you know, top ten NFL draft pick wide receivers are
both gone. Like, yeah, give me Roma Dunze.
But I I he's not a priority to me.
And there's also running backs available in the fifth round
that I think, you know, are pretty solid there too, so.
A couple. Yeah, they're Jacobs.
Jacobs is now. There, yeah, you can get him.
A couple maybe now it's. 3 But I mean, like Adams was still Adams
is like literally one of the best receivers ever and is still
got some some juice just scored a bunch of touchdowns.
He's like the clear. He's like a two man passing game
and he's one of the two men. I know they talked about like
maybe changing that up, but they were going to change it up to
like get Makai Lemon and then obviously they could have done
that and didn't or they were going to get A.J.
Brown. Like these are not like, what if
we signed Romeo Dobbs and and get rid of Devante Adams, You
know what I mean? Like it's it's like, yeah, if
you had a chance to get A.J. Brown and you had 33 year old
Devante Adams, like you'd you would want to kick the tires on
that. But he was still, he had 1.90
yards per hour run last year, scored 15 touchdowns, including
the playoffs. Like, wow, dude, yeah.
I mean. And the the touchdown thing,
last thing I'll say in Adams is like, it's definitely fluky, but
at the same time, it wasn't just like fluky touchdown Buck.
Like he literally was used in the end zone way, way more than
any other player in the NFL. The whole playbook was get this
guy 3 yard touchdowns. It was the puka between the 20s
and Adams in, you know, and only one of those, by the way, was in
the playoffs. He had 14 regular season
touchdowns. He is on the modern day Rushmore
of receivers in the red zone. Players like he's.
Just he's automatic. He's.
Automatic, yeah, He's borderline Mount Rushmore.
Like straight up the dude's. I mean, his career has been, it
started slow, but he's been really, really good for a long
time. Paula Fan right 2.
I think so. Two end zone targets per game
last year, which not it's an insane amount.
The second closest in the league was at 1.1, so he's basically
doubling up the next highest. Do you know do?
You know who was second? I'd love to know that.
It's it's kind of bearish for Devante.
It's Marvin Harrison Junior. So might might be a bad sad.
Wrap it up all right, Ramadan J does win this battle.
Ding, Ding, Ding. I was looking good.
Last minute knockout there. For as you say.
Was on the ropes, sorry. You can tell I didn't want to
say who the player was. I just said we doubled up the
second closest guy. But.
I wasn't certain you were. I can tell you it is, yeah.
The next slide is just quickly I I met Ray Davis and Pat wanted
to pick Ray Davis and I let him and I tried to push him into it.
It's because apparently Frank Gore junior shines with James
Cook absent at these. Wow.
He's been on the team for like 4 years.
I think 2:00. Same thing.
I don't think it's relevant at all.
Correct. No, this is not relevant.
No, not to me. So you, you weren't pushing me
into picking Ray Davis. I was because I'm your friend
and I thought you deserved to have him because you wanted him.
And there's really you disagree with this.
I think there's not that much. Tearing up.
This is the nicest thing anyone's ever done for me.
I think there's not that much clout on the line in Last Call.
Feel. Differently trying to go
back-to-back hardest thing to do in sports.
I'm ready with my pick and I will prove to you how little I
think there is at stake here. But I do love the.
Oh wow, Marshawn Lloyd is already on your team.
Wow. Look at that show.
That's why I wanted you to have Ray Davis, maybe.
Damn. Yeah, you've already won.
You don't even care. Well, I'm, I'll take my guy now
because I always like defer to you guys and I'm ready.
And really, this is something that we talked about in the last
week or two, like this is sort of my vision for this player.
We've been talking about a lot of veteran wide receivers who
are not signed. He's 80.
His ADP is 2O four. I'll take Tyree kill.
I'm seeing Tyree kill on the Chiefs in the playoff weeks.
I. Mean it's it's if they don't
sign digs. Yeah it's going to happen.
I I don't really see I I honestly this like it would it
would be an upset, I think for it not to happen.
Like Tyree's been in Kansas City.
He's been training in Kansas City.
Yep, sign them, play it out. I need a running back.
The issue is all these running backs are bad.
OK, I'm going to take a guy I think will at least be active.
I'm gonna go. Adam Randall.
Baltimore Ravens running back Adam Randall.
Wide receivers don't need it. You think active week 1 like you
see the backup for? You.
I think so I I'd like. To see that, I hope.
So I, I, I, I think it will be him instead of Rasheen Ali,
obviously. Well, he'll, he'll be the same
thing. He always is.
The the issue that you will find is the Ravens, because they are
the Ravens. They are super live to be the
Naji Harris, Joe Mixon. I mean, they could fucking call
Isaiah Crowell. You know, like it's the Ravens.
Right. All right, Pat.
Sam. I will take.
I've been drafting a bunch of Dontavian Wicks.
Speak on that. Well, I think, you know, he's
gonna be probably starter at the beginning of the season, which
doesn't help this game because we're only doing the last few
weeks, but is the player that Mike is pretty, pretty solid
dude. He's, he's a good player.
I, I think that I just am having a hard time thinking like, what
is their base personnel going to be?
Is he gonna be in it? It's gonna be Hollywood.
Is it gonna be Star Wars? Like what?
What? Is, I think he plays over
Hollywood. I mean, if he's not playing over
Hollywood, then I'm, I'm making a huge mistake.
But I but yeah, basically I think he's a better player than
Hollywood Brown. He's gonna be playing outside
for them for the beginning of the year until Lemon's ready,
and then, yeah, he's probably playing.
This is a terrible Last call pick.
I'm not even going to do it. I'll take.
By the time the last call comes around, he's not even going to
be playing. Yeah, I'm out.
He's still. On the piece, I'm out.
I think he's like he's I'm realizing he's like helpful for,
you know, getting some some rookie wide receipt.
He's a chaperone. He's an effective chaperone, but
that's not what this. Game is he's a chaperone.
He's a chaperone. I'll take Eli Raritan.
Wow, let's go tight. End Jacob.
Jacob's not here, but if he was here, he would tell you this is
a crazy pick. Eli Raritan shouldn't be
anywhere near anyone's team in whatever game you're playing.
Certainly not that's. The worst pick on the board?
Certainly not Dynasty, where he's much more bearish than I
am. I think he hasn't.
One pick later, he we both like him a lot.
Yeah, I think by the end of the year, maybe Eli Raritan's making
some noise for the Patriots and is carved out a role.
And for a game where we literally don't care about
advancing, no, we don't need chaperones like Dante and Wix.
I mean. Only that we don't care about
advancing or maybe any of it, so you might as well take your
shot. Yeah, let's take my shot.
And we, we the last three weeks of the year.
Sam, you want to throw an name in?
Yeah, I'll do. I mentioned him earlier.
I'll do Chris, Chris Brazell. This is all about Lacey's and
upside. I think draft from the third
round, I think Xavier Leggett very much can be on his way out
of Carolina. So I like him as AI think he's
draftable as an 18th round player, you know, on on stacks
or if you need to bring back. This is when we go around the
room with who's promoting what. But can I throw one more?
I know it's late. Can I throw one more name in
just to see how you guys react to it immediately?
Sure. Brendan Sorsby.
He's not going to be, he's not going to be in the player pool.
It'll just be very interesting to see what the supplemental
draft pick on him is like if some team actually spends a
second or whatever. We'll also be a giant fucking
headache for all dynasty commissioners out there because
you're going to have some dipshit in your league.
This person is generally me who's traded.
For one. One extra fab dollar.
I've, I've, I do this every year when there's something like
this. Like remember, you guys remember
Chuba Hubbard? There was talk that he was going
to leave Oklahoma State during COVID and do the supplemental
draft. So I traded for extra fab
dollars then good, good, good. Like everyone should go and do
this right now. Because if your league is just
kind of put him on fab, then you'll be able to win him
because if not, then you're just going to bid future picks.
But either way, big headache for dynasty commissioners out there.
How? I don't know.
I haven't dug into Sorsby much. Like where was he expected to go
in next year's draft? Like he's, you know, he's one of
those guys who could be a first round pick.
He's at 38 on the mock draft database since it's this big
board, so 1-2 border. So there has not been a
supplemental pick made in the NFL in seven years.
We talked about this on WGR today.
There's an insane trade to look up in 1985 where the Browns
traded seven overall and another pick to the Bills.
Or they're actually they're 86 first round pick two to get
Bernie Kosar in the supplemental draft, which they did.
And then the Bills ended up with the worst record in the league
again and their pick was forfeited to the Browns who took
Bernie Kosar the year before. So then Tampa Bay got the 1st
overall pick in the draft and they picked Bo Jackson who
refused to play for them. His eligibility was a, you know,
a controversy like Elway before that.
Another guy since. And then he ends up the Bucks
lose his rights and the Raiders draft him in the seventh round
in 87 he plays for the Raiders. Worked like that.
Who? Who was the final?
Who was the last supplemental pick?
29 Josh Gordon. No, that's the last.
It was still a player. Not a name I remember.
But all I remember is Tyrell Meyer and Josh Gordon and in
like terms of relevant ones in recent memory, but I don't
remember. That's about what there is.
So you're right. I mean, they're you're not
missing anything. We'll see.
OK, interesting. Who's got who's got what this
week? A new new fantasy football
channel for me. If you are if you don't like
basketball and you just like redraft content, Matic Fantasy
football just posted the first video today.
Probably going to be a bunch of videos on actually Shope and I
we just did the the hard way league.
What was that on Friday I'm going to make a video on that
because I've that was my first like redraft league of the year
and I I did get best ball brain in the middle of it.
I mean, I was out at a nice steak dinner drafting this team
and I, I drafted I think Mahomes in like round 11 or something.
And then I drafted Kyler Murray in the next round because I was
like, dude, quarterback window got a.
Film that early since the production.
Yes, call me if you want to chat about that.
I did Theo Greminger's podcast today live, his first live for
fantasy points, and he was in that draft too.
I did another one of those on well last night I guess and you
and I are going to do pros versus Joe's together this year,
which? I think, Oh yeah, I heard you
guys are doing yeah, you're the the ADP chasing team.
Well, you don't know you can do it.
You can do it too, Pat. We can all we can all do it.
Although unless Pat's already in.
I think I'm already in one. Yeah.
OK, cool. I'm not sure how well I'll work
together with Davis, but we'll do our best.
Hey, we we had, we had one of our 125 teams was good last
year. Yeah, we have.
We have some credits to spend this summer.
Easy to draft Kyler Murray on site.
Credits. Sam, Pat.
Well, me and Sam will be back on YouTube on Thursday for that's
fair at 5:30 Eastern. Check that out.
We're doing that every week. Are we doing ship chasing
tomorrow? Is that happening?
Yeah. OK, check that out.
We don't know what we're doing though, but it'll and it'll just
be the three of us because Jacob is like eating a fucking alpaca.
Not a bit. He literally, he literally ate
alpaca. OK, yeah, check everything over.
Check everything out over at Legendary Upside Rankings and of
course, the sidekick legendaryupside.com/sidekick.
And yeah, I'll be back on Monday after Best Ball breakfast with
the Index, our stream there and I did right before ADP chasing.
Every week I'm doing a mailbag show where yeah, I answer
questions from the chat, so you can check that out too.
Cool, Sam. Anything else?
And I nothing else besides that's fair on Thursday and then
best of all breakfast on Monday on Pete's channel.
That's all I got going on this off season all.
Right for me, the Odyssey app AUDACYWGR weekdays three to
seven. I know, not as cool anymore
since the Sabres lost, but we'll do our best for our heroes.
Pat Davis, Sam, I'm Mike. Thanks for watching and
listening. Yeah, sorry guys, this is.
Where Pat is next week's last calls we can sort.
Of like Kendrick Warren.