Hello everyone, and welcome to a special August 5th edition of
ADP Chasing. We are joined today by special
guests Adam Levitan and we have real training camp news to
discuss. Cooper cop is injured.
Jordan Addison, Mike suspended mid season.
We'll break it all down here. Let's do it.
ATP chasing is for when you watch ship chasing, you go these
guys are just football guys. And the targets for outrun
leagues, that's going to be really nice.
Actually, back in, if it's Austinette, it's.
Here to our crystal ball. close your eyes.
You know all your entries are going to lose anyway.
Yeah. That's fair.
This is a Deuce vant show. It's.
Anti cabal. It's anti the best ball thought
leader. I'm obviously lying to some
degree because like, I have a lot of both of these guys.
It's the most disgusting thing you can make, but man, how's it
going everyone? Going good.
Sherman, you said Cooper Cupp is injured.
You also wore a polo to lift weights.
Today, what is the what is the what is the lifting weights
polo? And, and I saw Davis send an
apology tweet after you delete. He doesn't understand that when
you go delete life, you just pretend like it never happened.
I mean, what the hell? What the hell is going on here
guys? That a tough.
Well, let me let's let's just let's just get behind the
curtain here. So you guys have probably
noticed on my Twitter account, I've been tweeting out a lot of
news, a lot of athletic ESPN plus like paywalled stuff, and
it's going pretty well. Like those are those are tweets
that are performing well. I think it's like a legitimate
service to provide like people like it.
My my Twitter account is growing, Whatever, whatever.
So I'm like this Iuke thing is a pretty big deal.
I'll even call out the exact guy Crane, you know this guy who
posted it in Pete's Discord. Chung high stakes FFPC Grinder.
I'm on a show with Brian Hooper. We're about to finish recording.
So I checked Discord. I had a couple notifications.
I pull up Pete's discord, I see this, I tweet and I'm like, this
is huge. That's like, that's like 14
retweets, you know, 417 favorites.
Like that's like line it up. And then I realized and then I
realized after route Nez Nez added me and told me that it was
fake and. I was like.
Shit, all right, I got to delete this.
So you did absolutely zero work to determine if it was real
before getting your 14 retweets. No, come on.
Why would you send an apology to?
That's my thing. I've gone delete life before
also. But then you don't send an
apology, you just act like it never happened.
Well, because I would act like it never happened if it was
really not a big deal, but like Brandon.
But like what? This is what actually happened.
Someone else. So the person who Chung posted
in Pete's Discord, they took an old Brandon Iuke photo from like
March on his actual Instagram, edited it and added this
dealer's like it's like a particularly egregious
miscarriage justice on on Twitter.
So I felt normally I would not apologize, but this specific
infraction demanded an apology. Yeah.
And to defend the the words, yeah, in the polo, today was
laundry day. Had no more athletic shirts
left. So that's, that's all I had.
Unacceptable. Sorry.
More unacceptable than what I'm I'm on vacation.
Right now I don't have my full wardrobe so that's that's my
explanation. It goes well with the the polo
for working out goes well with the commemorative Revolutionary
War plate in your background. All right, well, I was on.
I was on Twitter over the weekend and I saw Mike McDaniel
is just fake video of him going around.
It's like AI generated where he talks about like Tyree Kevin and
you know, none of another kid or whatever, and he's saying he's
working on on his pull out game. And I was like, man, I mean,
this is funny, but it's like a whole new world we're living in.
We're like AI deep fake like videos that didn't exist and
then today to just find out like just coloring in some hearts,
different colors will will still get people.
Maybe, maybe you don't have to worry.
You know all. Right.
Got me, got me. Let's dive into the meet of
today's show. We only have Levitan for an
hour. It's actually hard to get him
for an hour. He's used to.
He's used to like 15 minute podcast.
Yeah. Who has two hours in the middle
of the day? Get a job, Jesus Christ.
You think? Two hours long, Adam.
Yeah, right, buddy. Actually, I'm not sure if you
guys are aware, I'm sure the YouTube, the YouTube grinders
are, we've actually gone longer on our YouTube stuff.
Not like you fucking insane people, but but clearly
YouTube's been rewarding longer watch time stuff lately.
So yes, if you've noticed, if you've noticed on the ETR
channel, we have started going, they're spreading our wings a
little bit, not to the extent that you sick Fox do, but but
not. Trying to do You're not trying
to do a 5 hour stream on a Tuesday man.
I I would love to. I would love to.
It's not practical, but yes. We're going to.
So we'll start today with the Cooper cop and Puka Nakua
situation. As I incorrectly said, an intro
Puka Nakua got hurt, not Cooper Cop, he landed hard on his knee
at practice a couple days ago. Schefter has called him week to
week and from his source heard that it is quote not serious in
terms of Puka's knee injury. So I think partially as a result
of that and partially just because of general good vibes
that Cooper Cup was getting in camp before then.
He is up two spots now, getting very close to the 2-3 turn.
Start with the Cooper Cup side of things here.
Adam. How are you approaching Cooper
Cop around the two three turn pick 26 on underdog.
Yeah, I think the the biggest thing on Cooper Cup for me has
been a full offseason of health. Like literally the entire
offseason Cooper Cup has been working, no injuries, no
surgeries. Remember last year was coming
off of the tightrope stuff and other issues, hamstring,
etcetera. Seems like he's been totally
clean all offseason. So especially on full PPR, not
as much on underdog, but on full PPR, I've taken cup in the, I
don't know, 30th range a reasonable amount as he moves up
here and I think he's going to move a lot more on this on this
puka Nikua stuff. To me it comes down to who you
think the alpha is, How serious you think this knee injury is.
I haven't seen an actual diagnosis on Nikua.
My assumption is it's something similar ish to DeAndre Hopkins,
some type of like strained MCL or yeah, this guy is is
speculating PCL sprain or or bone bruise.
We're still so far out. You know, I know it feels like
it's close now because we've all been drafting for three or four
months, but we're still so far out.
I'm going to play it as if Puka Nakua is ready for week 1.
We did move I think 1/2 percent or or percent of base share from
puka to Cooper Cup. But like Sam said, I think
that's a combination of the injury and just general good
vibes and good camp on Cooper Cups.
So yeah, I think there's so many question marks in round two
right now, I would throw Cooper Cup into the mix.
There is somewhat of a 2-3 turn I'm willing to cat take on as
one of those question marks. Also that makes sense.
I I want to get a little bit into Cooper cups drop off last
year. And obviously it's worth noting
that he he's going to drop off in a lot of these statistics and
you can chalk it up to the injury and and kind of throw the
season out. But I think it is worth noting
like exactly what happened last year, because starting with this
targets for Outrun stuff, I hear a lot of people saying, oh, you
know, we still had a 20, whatever 5% target share in the
games we played last season. It was a pretty big drop off
from his peak in targets for Outrun from you know, 30 and 28%
the past two seasons to 23% last year.
Pretty huge drop off in yards for Outrun half PPR points per
game. You even look at some more sort
of underlying like separation type statistics in ESP NS open
score. He had a pretty big drop off in
2023 ranking the 23rd percentile and open score.
And then Matt Harmon's success rate over expected stuff.
He was like a 90th 97 percentile guy in 2021 and 2022 dropped all
the way down to 45 percentile and Harmon stuff there.
So again, like you can say he was injured last season.
That explains all of the data. I'm still worried about a 31
year old wide receiver who's been really banged up the past
two seasons returning to his peak form.
And for me, like I do think he belongs in this sort.
Of time to learn breakfast, club buddy.
Yeah, it's time to learn breakfast.
Just to finish my point, I think he belongs in the tier of these
wide receivers like the neighbors, DK Metcalf, DJ Moore,
etcetera. I'm just breaking my ties to the
younger players because I think their floor is way way better.
Even though I do acknowledge that that cups like True Ceiling
maybe surpasses those guys, I prefer the the floor.
Of you mean the guy with the greatest PPR wide receiver
season in history? Yeah, but in basketball, we're
not like playing for like league winners as much as like floor.
I think in the, you know, second and third rounds, just just.
Do your bit where you say he got out produced by a fifth round
rookie from Who are you? It's your third round pick.
So when you, when you're in week 17, you're going to need some
huge scores in your third round pick.
Being able to put up a huge score would be extremely
helpful. So I I don't really buy the
floor argument in the sense of like, I mean, we need we don't
want to just be like taking on extremely risky players in the
third round. But the fact that he did turn in
that season a couple years ago is still really enticing to me.
And I don't I feel like, you know, using he's had two injury
plagued seasons since. Remember he was going to like
retire this time last year when we got we got that report, like
it's been, you know, so then he, you know, his numbers fall off
last year as well, But like I'm not concerned that he was way
down from a 30% targets per hour on while operating as the clear
number one on his team. Like that's how you have that
monster season and and you're gonna regress from that most
likely the Harmon point. I think it does carry some
weight. He's never really been good in
open score. And I think a potential weakness
of that metric is it's like doesn't include any sort of
timing of like I I think part of it with him is just the mind
meld that he has with Stafford. That's interesting that he he
did drop off in Harmon's stuff, which you know, he'd he'd been
better in. So but if you look at like just
the last couple years, what his stats are like, he's he's still
over 2 yards per hour and over the last two years.
So that's, you know, without including that monster season.
I don't think he needs to return.
Like if he returns to peak form, then he should have been a first
round pick. Yeah.
So that's not actually the bet we're making in the third round.
We're betting that he stops Pukka from turning into what Cup
was a couple years ago. And he's like just, you know, a
clear secondary guy. So this morning I went because
this is, we've been talking about this on the show for like
the last month, like, oh, why didn't Nakua ever run full
routes in college? And I wanted to see if I could
find anything that his coaches had said.
So I didn't find anything that his coaches said.
But BYU's official website mentioned that he battled lower
body injuries. In 2022.
He injured his groin in high school, so he didn't play full
snaps as a freshman either. So like he didn't he and he was
a really high level recruit. Believe he was the number six
overall wide receiver recruit coming out of high school.
He broke a bone in his foot after recovering from another
injury as a freshman. And then all of the BYU beat
writers, I went back and looked at like his like he got our our
guy got draft in the NFL. And they all mentioned the lower
body injuries. I mean, I don't want to put it
out there and I'm not saying this.
And I went through a rankings change today and I didn't, I
didn't move Nickua there. Definitely not saying this.
But not putting it out there, except, except for the tweet, he
said about all of the. Nickua, I'm definitely not
saying this, but what I am saying is I wonder if the Rams
coaches eventually end up doing something kind of similar to
what happened with Nickua at college.
Which was he didn't run that many rounds.
He ran about. He ran about 75% of the.
Rounds, I don't think that's, I mean, I don't think there's any
chance that happens to be honest.
It's it's yeah, I I think it's more question of role, but
anyway, the one thing that I would say about both these guys,
I think Arizona who obviously the Rams playing week 17.
I know all you virgins have your flash cards ready so who they
play in week 17 the. Flash cards.
This might be May. Crane invented a mnemonic device
to. The flash cards give me.
A break, I think they might have the worst past events in the NFL
period, like the worst past rush combined with extreme lack of
secondary talent in Arizona. So I think when you're breaking
ties there, I think that's interesting and like to to what
Sam said, I hear what you're saying.
I think you just have to think about it in comparison to
players he goes around. So we're up to 23 overall in
underdog right now. We have Mike Evans 22, Brandon
Iuquish situation is getting messier 21, neighbors 24,
Devonta Smith 26, Metcalf 28, DJ Moore 29.
You're not comparing him to the elite of the elite.
You're comparing him to guys we have like wide receiver 20 and
wide receiver 19. And at that point with a, when a
guy like Cooper Cup with literally the, I, I think the
best, most friendly wide receiver quarterback maybe in
the history of the NFL and Matthew Stafford, I, I'd be
willing to, to capitulate and take some shots there.
Yeah, let me just clarify my floor point.
I, I guess what I mean by that is like assuming they're
healthy, I'm very confident going into weeks 15 to 17 that
if I have DJ Moore, DK Metcalf, Malik neighbors, those guys are
going to have massive weekly ceilings in week 15 to 17.
I think there's just some outcomes with the age risk stuff
like this. Again, it was.
You're saying it was a match of? Week neighbor ceiling over
Cooper cup ceiling like we no bro there's I'm just saying that
there's. No chance that like DJ Moore or
DK Metcalf are like not good football players anymore and you
have to price in that risk with Cooper Cop.
After yeah, I don't like you, I really don't think you have to
that he's not a good football player anymore.
I'm just betting again, I'm willing to just bet he's a. 3232
year old wide receiver right that's that's off a massive drop
off How how are we pretending there's no.
But he OK, but Sam like that's. Also, that's a classic Davis
Matic thing right there. He added a year, he added.
He just added that he's only 31. Sam just did the classic Davis
Matic thing he just made. Him.
Yeah, He, he, he. Just turned. 31.
He's about to turn 33. He had 1.77 yards per route run
last year. That includes the playoff game,
which she didn't do a ton in. That's fine.
It's not amazing like he has been over the the years before
that Even so 2021 season obviously was insane 3.12 but he
was 2.402 years ago. So it's not like we're not
writing off a season where he was like atrocious like this
isn't a 1.1 yards per hour. And I'm like, Oh my God, this
guy's done like. He's not Jonathan fucking Mingo
dude, he's Cooper cup. Yeah.
That's, that's again, that's I don't know, it's not what I'm
saying. And I just want to share this
from Dwayne McFarlane. He's a lot of research into when
to sort of jump off the train with these aging elite wide
receivers and he flagged Cooper cuff as someone that was
flashing a lot of warning signs. So again, I, I, I disagree that
you can't price an age risk for a guy that showed again, he he
like it's a decline off a very high point.
So I acknowledge that, But I I wouldn't just completely dismiss
again, like these aren't bad wide receivers that we have to
pick over Cooper Cup. It's DK Metcalf, DJ Moore, Malik
Neighbors, Devonta Smith. I I personally like my odds with
those guys better than cop, but I realize.
Definitely my my truth serum. If you know, you guys were
talking about that on ship chasing last week, like if we
all did a show where we were on truth serum, my truth serum
would be my true heart of heart of hearts would be I would just
take Cooper cup straight up over puka like, oh.
Yeah, we got to do the truth serum show.
I just love it. Yeah.
Like the Rams PR 'cause I was doing the, I was doing the news
stuff. Rams PR is all in, you know,
it's still, Stafford still does The Breakfast Club.
Like is he throws to cup 1st and when they practice their routes
and everything it's it's all it's all there if he can stay
healthy. On on the puka injury though, it
is interesting like with his it, it shows just I think how locked
in that top 11 is like no one even wants to consider taking
anyone that's not those 11. So so everybody's going to start
taking Marvin Harrison Puka all the week 17 Burroughs like
everybody who has the 12 spot that's going to take Puka Nakua
Marvin. Harris, our generation's.
So are you taking like Gibbs at 11, Adam?
No, I think I would take Gary Wilson, if that's well, Garrett.
Wilson will be gone because he was going 11.
He'll go over puka. So we have Drake London 11 now,
Puka 12, Marvin 13 and and Gibbs 14.
Yeah, that that seems about right to me.
Let's move on here to another player that I'm sure is going to
be a quick debate. Justin Fields up 16 spots.
Well, he's going. To take He's going to take the
short side on this one. 1. 90s Sam.
Go ahead Sam. Why is this dead?
You know, I I debated long hard about this whether I wanted to
lean into the bit of being the anti Justin Fields guy Crane and
I famously have have a bet that I I got this in at 5 to one
odds. For the record, I only owe
crane. I only owe.
You're still lose, but. Crane owes me 50 if Justin
Fields does not start week 1, so I I won the bet regardless of
the outcome I got. It in a good process.
It was a good. Process, but yeah man, it's.
The vibes, The vibes on Russell. Regardless of the outcome,
regardless of the. Outcome doesn't matter.
I got it in good. Here's a quote from chapter
today and then I'll take it to you guys.
Schefter quote on the Maccabee show.
I still think that Russell Wilson has the pole position and
we'll see what happens when he's back from this calf injury.
It's obviously become like more of a true competition than what
Steelers brass was framing it as being with where 10?
Where? Where is the competition?
Russell Wilson got hurt in his fun conditioning practice and
hasn't practiced. So yeah, of course Justin Fields
out there looking at how do we know that if Russ Wilson wasn't
out there for the last two weeks, he looked good.
Russ Wilson, Does he hurt? Himself pushing a slit.
Adam. Exactly so so.
To me, this has gotten completely, completely out of
control. I would still take action on
anyone who wants to bet on Justin Fields starting week one.
I'm happy to take Russell Wilson now.
If you want to tell me you think Justin Fields is going to start
in the fantasy playoffs and make a bunch of starts this year, you
might very well be right. Right.
I still think it's Russell Wilson.
So in in Week 1. I had obviously Sam got me
process wise on on the fields bet we'll see.
Obviously. But what about I bet Leone just
straight up 100 bucks who starts week 14?
I have field side on that Where where are you on that I?
I would call that a a probably close to a flip at this point.
I, I, I don't think like this field stuff.
You realize that the best the Bears could do was a conditional
sixth round pick for him. The NFL does not like this guy
whatsoever. He's he's asked, but also
Russell Wilson is. Agreed.
Yeah, and that's an important part of this.
And that's why, and that's why I would call it a stone cold flip,
because they're both fucking terrible at playing NFL football
like. You know, but Levitan and the
thing about the week one stuff is is you know, where Fields
always looks really fucking good practice because he can't get
sacked in practice. He looks he's like, he's like,
he's like the opposite of Tebow. He's like the GOAT practice
quarterback because the fact that he's a half second behind
in the processing matters way less in practice.
And Tomlin, you know, the quarterbacks Tomlin has been
watching for the last five years of his life, Pickett, Mason
Rudolph, Duck Hodges. He's he's looking at Justin
Fields like I've never seen anything like.
This well he had Ben Roethlisberger at the tail end
of his career for like 6 years before that.
He's he can't believe what he's seeing with Fields.
Yeah, Yeah. The, the other thing that I was
going to say about this field stuff is like there's certain
builds, like it's a very specific build where I consider
taking Justin Fields. Like let's say I get stuck in
quarterback and I have two like no upside.
Let's say I end up with like Stafford and Baker as my 2
quarterbacks. I'm willing to take attack on
Justin Fields at that point, but now these animals are now taking
Justin Fields in like the one 50s so I don't see how I'm going
to get. Justin Fields That's The thing
is you can't give slappies like me an inch because then they'll
take a mile like I I'm in, I'm in.
So so we start doing this whole conversation and Leone is like
if you have Fields exposure and you think he gets benched, like
basically Leonie called me a coward and I was like, I should
check my exposure. How much do I have?
And I only have 8% of him when this all started.
So now I'm in the 15th round and these slow puppies, like, I
mean, what's a 15th round pick really, you know, and.
That's no offense, buddy. Yeah, it is, I honestly think.
Yeah, I think also DraftKings versus underdog, this is a place
where there's a huge difference. I think on DraftKings, you can
get away with burning a pick because you have 20 roster
spots. Like you have so many luxury
picks in that format there. I'm almost taking a third
quarterback like the majority of the time unless maybe I have
Alan or Hertz. So there I'm way more inclined
to burn my 16th 17th round pick on Fields because again, I don't
think it like the other choice is like a 9th or 10th wide
receiver like that probably doesn't add that much.
I guarantee you as soon as Russ gets back in practice, Mark
Kabali and these other Steelers are going to be.
All. Over this quote you have right
here, this quote you have right here on the screen, it's going
to say the same thing, except it's going to say Russ Wilson is
killing it and he's going to be the starter for the whole year.
Yeah. Yeah, he he he is a prime
offender. MM Kabali loves to hype up
whichever quarterback the fans hate the most.
That that's like, it's like the thing.
I I so, but I do think so Kabali was saying because he was just
like towing the company line all offseason.
Like it's Russ. It's never going to be Fields.
You won't see Fields this year. But he also was saying, but
Fields could be their starter in 2025.
I was like, what like if that's true at all?
And I like, I assume he heard that from someone like they
would have to take a look at him before, you know.
So I've read that as like, if the Steelers missed the
playoffs, we're we're definitely seeing fields because if they
have any interest in that at all, it just makes no sense to
roll out Russ once they they haven't made the playoffs.
So that's part of why I'm pretty confident we do.
I didn't. Follow.
The good news is the Steel. Yeah, Steelers have never made
the playoffs with a dog shit quarterback.
OK, Did you guys, I don't know how, I don't know if you guys
are deep enough in the athletic weeds to get this, but they have
been practicing fields packages like specific like goal line
fields bullshit like Oh yeah, flip to Jalen Moore in jail.
And make it the first snap so I can win this bet, you know?
No, we we're getting lawyers involved if there's a Wildcat,
Justin. Field, because he's out there
for a while. We're getting snap.
Sam, The bet was most of. The point right now about Jordan
Addison, I'm going to hire him to to that.
I would, but I would throw out there like I, I get what you're
saying about fields, you know, potentially bailing you out in
like certain situations and certain builds, But I think he
also like he's he's the type of quarterback that we haven't
really had in this range of the draft very often.
And so he kind of bails you out in spots where you're like, oh,
do I do I need to be bailed out? Like if you have Brock Purdy and
Tua field seems pretty great. You know, like if you even if
you have like Stroud and Trevor Lawrence, I'd be willing to add
fields. I think like there's, you're
getting, there's. No build where I'm not adding
him. Right now, well, if you have
like Josh Allen, I don't know if you need to add fields.
Are you more you more want a guy who's.
What about what about starting? What about if you have Mahomes
and you just go raw dog Mahomes and fields?
That honestly seems really fun to me.
On FFPC if they change Justin Fields position to tight end
that can really work out well. Wait, wait, wait, Corrine,
you're not like I, I'm sure you've seen the data like in
Leonia's article, like the biggest data edge.
It's not even close. Go to the fantasy play, go to
the basketball playoffs with 18 or 20 healthy active players,
period. If you're taking a zero from
Justin Fields, your EV is slashed by like 30% or more
versus having an active player regardless of the position.
So I'm just like so petrified of walking to the famous playoffs
with a stone zero on my team. I want to get there with as many
as I can. I mean, it's really drastic, 18
to 17 to 16 to 15 as you go down.
No, that's a that's a really good point.
I haven't been hammering fields to this point.
I'm at 4%. I've been taking a ton of Drake
May and it's a similar type of play, but I'm like Drake May
starting by the fancy Cass like that.
He is just a lock. So I'm not getting that zero
fields. I've been like fighting that
same thing. I don't want to take a zero
here. Honestly, some of the like he
might start week one stuff. We've been getting nervous about
that because he the he then might get benched.
We can't, we can't handle fields getting benched.
We need him to come in for Russ once he gets benched.
So you know it isn't that's. That's what I said to Jacob.
I said the worst thing for Fields starting in Week 17 would
be him starting in Week 1. Yeah, yeah.
But it's I, I am definitely like, I know, you know, the
sixth round pick and, and all that it, it, it definitely
showed the NFL is not interested in this guy being a starting
quarterback for them. But I, I also maintained that
like there was sort of a threshold that he needed to
clear to have a team make their offseason about getting Justin
Fields as their 2024 starter. And he did not meet that
threshold. And once he didn't meet that
threshold, I wasn't like all that concerned with like if it
was a fourth, if it was a 6th, like A-Team didn't want to like
make him the the face of their franchise, a face of their
offseason. And so he was going to have to
basically surprise somebody. But I I think he does certain
things really well. He does some other things really
poorly. But to me this was like a really
strong setup for him where Russ Russ is washed.
So I I'm I'm struggling with it 'cause like once I do want.
To just go and if they were done with him, this was the nut spot.
Well, exactly. Yeah, it's certainly a good fit.
I mean, Arthur Smith, you know, would be happy to give Justin
Fields 15 carries per game. Yes, so.
That's that did not what you just said did not tone down the
fact that I'm drafting him in the 15th round.
I thought, you know, like. So yeah, I mean as he rises up,
I think he's OK in like the 15th to be honest.
Like there's you are just those are all one dollar players.
It's like, oh, Adam Thielen, OK. Yeah, yeah, but if he if he
rises up more from here like I don't, I'm not gonna be like
loading up, loading up right now.
I'll probably I'm well, crazy locked into being I'm gonna.
Have this happen right now where like some of the 18th round
picks you like better than the guys who were just anchored in
the 14th because they've been going there for two months.
Like I, I get to the the Quentin Johnston, Adam Thielen, Roman
Wilson range and I'm like, I don't want to fucking click any
of these guys. I'm just scrolling.
And why wouldn't I scroll for Justin Fields?
Yeah, this happened to me with Jalen McMillan, where I was
like, I like him better than all these dudes.
All these things are taking him up much higher.
Yeah. I the last thing on Fields, I do
think the build, the build specific nature of him is
important. Personally, I think he's a lot
better than three quarterback builds.
And two, I think Leonie's data again really showed the
importance of having multiple stacked quarterbacks in the
playoffs. And I think with Fields, you're
just running a 5050 shot of having that.
And if you only have one other quarterback in the fantasy
playoffs, I just think that's a little bit dicier.
Not a play that I would make Chase Brown here.
Speaking of guys that Davis cannot stop reaching above ADP
on, he's up to pick one O 7. The biggest riser over the past
week, Davis, are you continue as someone who's been drafting him.
You know who's in the one 20s, maybe even close to 1:30.
You still chasing him here at One O 7?
I I posted this in the Deposit Kingdom last night.
I, I, I view it as the Jalen Warren flood wall.
Once he gets to where Jalen Warren is going, that is when
the slappies will have gone too far.
But he should be going ahead of Zach Moss, kind of that Brian
Robinson, Raheem Mostert range where it's like a split
backfield. And we kind of don't know which
one way, you know, who's going to win out, who's going to be
starting in Week 17. But it's pretty clear that the
two concerns the Bengals had about him were pass protection
and pass catching, right? Because he it's so funny.
We think of Chase Brown is like the Pollard or whatever, but his
college profile is like the opposite.
His college profile is like early down grinder 300 rushes,
like handles all the work. And he worked with Drew
Lieberman, who is a wider super coach who worked with Brandon
Iuke and Jacoby Myers in the offseason.
And he like fixed all that stuff.
And he's their best running back right now.
So he's going to get the most fantasy points in that
backfield, I think. Levitan, what are your thoughts
on this roster? Chase Brown.
Yeah, I I think he's like my second or third highest owned
running back so far. I'm concerned as he moves up
because I actually think that he's not going to play on on
most pass downs. And I think the Bengals could
tell themselves a story that Zach Moss is also better at the
goal line. And if Semaj Piran gets cut and
I think it's kind of getting, you know, less and less and I'm
trying to factor it in less and less, but there's still some
chance they add someone to this backfield.
So it starts getting hairier for me, you know, at one O 7 for
sure. We're at 1:15.
Overall, we haven't gone too far.
We did move 1% of base carries from Chase to Zach Moss.
We talked again today about maybe moving more from Zach Moss
to Chase Brand, but I just, I don't think that he's going to
play the pass downs and I don't think that he's a lock for goal
line work either. And at that point, it's like,
God, that's where we get most of our points.
But I still want to be in on the guy as like an exciting young
player who can carry a big workload and a good offense.
So I'm happy with what I have right now as he gets towards
107. Yeah.
I would probably take him right there with Brian Robinson and
Tony Pollard and Devin Singletary.
Yeah, I would. Yeah.
God, this is getting bad. I mean, we've gotten our CLV.
This is going to get real hot. He's going to start going to the
90s soon. I mean, it's going to be, it's
going to get real hot real fast. I've been taking him in the
eighth round in weekly winners just because I want to have him
in weekly winners, yeah. Yeah, I, I was not as I was at
like 10% on him before the rise because I was, I was being a
little too cautious on some of the stuff that you're talking
about Adam with like Moss might have the high value stuff and
you know, like we don't like I just been rug pulled on guys
like Chase Brown a bunch. Our our whole life, Corrine, our
whole life, we've been getting rug pulled on guys like this.
It's non-stop and like his comps.
I went back and looked at my write up on him.
It's like DeAndre Washington, Eno Benjamin.
It's just like dudes that we're like, this is going to be the
guy and his. Eno Benjamin famously had a 10%
advance rate without recording a statistic because it was only it
was only Slappies who drafted him.
Yeah, Yeah, he was. Yeah, so I was definitely like a
little cautious still in but but not hammering him.
And the the training camp stuff to me has been pretty bullish
where I'm like, OK, he should flip Moss for sure.
And then kind of how much, how high should he rise?
So I'm kind of playing catch up a little bit.
I've been pretty aggressive in drafting him since I'm up to 13%
now and I don't have any problem kind of just like penciling him
in as my ninth round pick. That's that's fine to me.
What I'm worried about is that he actually rises up from there
that like as all the running backs.
Up from there, that's a bit like, I don't even know if I can
get with that really. OK, Yeah like if he I think like
the 90 to 100 range makes sense like if he starts going ahead of
like Raheem most or someone like that, I think that's where I I
stopped drafting him. But yeah, one O 7 seems like a a
fair reaction. He should.
Probably go ahead of Raheem Mostert.
That's what I think. I think should probably go ahead
of Mostert. It's, it's, it's Warren where
I'm like. Well, to me it's it's like
Swift. You get to Swift and then it's
like. Yeah.
You probably take Swift. I think that's right.
Yeah, I think, yeah, it's it's definitely been positive news on
him. I think you can, yeah, nitpick
exactly where you should go, but it doesn't seem like too much of
A rise to me. Another Bengals, Roger here.
Wanted to pair them together here.
Are you guys will Moss? Can I talk Moss or like sure,
what's the play on? I'm not really scooping Moss at.
All right. No, I am, I am scooping.
I've got some of them on. I got some teams now with both
of them where you you take Chase Brown and pick 96 or whatever
and then you come back around and Moss is still there.
I I think that's, that's like a good handcuck.
It's like people always, people always ask like, oh, how much do
you have in this guy? How much do this guy?
It's like I don't really care how much I have in them.
It's it's at what price people, you know, you have people at and
so I don't have very much Zach Moss right now.
We have him 104 overall. His ADP is 98.
I and we're going to stick around this 104 range.
That's Zach Moss. I guarantee I'm going to start
getting him now. Like he's going to start going,
you know, one 10115 and I'm going to start getting him there
for sure. That's definitely going to
happen. Andre Yossi Vash is the other
Bengals riser. I've been getting steady camp
hype throughout the offseason. Levitan, I think I've seen you
tweet out him a couple times over the past week.
Is he a guy that you're chasing up from the 18th round to the
17th or 16th? Or do you think it's getting a
little too pricey AT2O3? Yeah, so I'm not really a
dynasty player, but this guy's been on my radar for the dynasty
Bros only because I I was so sure that T Higgins is going to
be gone after this year and your Sebastian just seemed like the
exact kind of fit behind him. Obviously has to come out and
play well. I don't know, man.
I think I played him in DFS one time last week at like 3 Ki mean
it was it was a wild ride yes. I don't want to say that he's
going to completely ice Jermaine Burton.
I think he'll start the season ahead of Jermaine Burton.
How that goes from there would. Be really bad for me if he
totally iced him. I mean, I don't think he's going
to total totally ice him. I know Yoshi Sebastian is
playing the slot for the first time in his entire life.
Like literally his entire life. I'd like to see Jamar Chase in
the. He's also kind of like brand new
to playing football. He played junior varsity
football at Princeton. Yeah, so I, I was taking tons.
I have like 20 in the 20th. Yeah, he was a he was a real
player for Princeton, wasn't? He look it up.
Yeah, look it up. He was a.
Senior year, he was. Yes, but his first two years he
was literally play. I mean, imagine what junior
varsity, Oh yeah, Princeton is like.
Yeah. So I I had some buddies at
Princeton that were on the the JV football team.
PFF has stats for him. Do they?
Do they chart junior varsity at Princeton?
I I am positive that this is true and that I'm not making it
up 100%. Anyways, I'll get to I asked
Crane to to dig into his prospect profile a little bit,
so I'll kick it to him in a SEC. But I did just want to like go
over his very limited routes last year.
I would not put a ton of stock into this, but he did run 152
routes. That's not nothing.
It is worth noting last year that the team preferred Trenton
Irwin over him as sort of the rotational wide receiver for
when other guys are banged up and Yoshi Voss, like he was fine
for being that, you know, deep of a day.
Three rookie earned targets is at a 16% rate like that.
That seems solid to me. The yards for our run, Again, I
would not put that much stock into that in 150 routes.
But yeah, just wanted to show how he performed last year
compared to the other Bengals wide receivers.
And yeah, TT Higgins agent sent me a lot of money to not have
him on this chart. Crane, any notes on his prospect
profile? I don't know if you had a chance
to look into it. Yeah.
I mean, it was actually better than I thought it would be
because he was very inefficient last year.
And I've been kind of like, but he was, he had a 20 or no, a 34%
yardage share in his final season at Princeton, 44%
touchdown share. So one of these guys, he was, I
think he was a fifth year senior by that point, but he was very
productive and also pretty efficient.
He had yards per hour run of 2.71.
So yeah, I mean, it definitely intriguing.
And he's athletic, 63212 to 44340.
He's a he's a heptathlete. He is a a Ivy League champion
heptathlete. That was his primary sport at
Princeton. Yeah, we actually almost, this
is a real inside baseball. We were close to getting him on
ADP chasing last year and the last second he he bailed out.
So I still have invites. Invites still open.
Yoshi Vash. And so you're listening,
Levitan. Did you have another point to
get in on on him? Wait, say that again.
You were going to have Andre Yoshi Vas on ship chasing?
Is that what you said? Yeah, I was doing this for the
4th hour of the show, Yeah. He was going to draft the
little. Under what?
Under what pretense? Like he's going to come on and,
and, and like draft A-Team or. We were we were hip to him
because he was like a really interesting prospect.
Right. And yeah, you know that you
just. And you just cold and you just
cold DM them was like, hey, do you want to come on this 4 hour
version? I'm I'm cold, yeah.
What are your? Thoughts on virgins?
I it, it worked. I called DM's Lauby and it
worked and I called DM's Janice and it worked.
So these guys, these guys who are like kind of marginal NFL
players, they fucking think fantasy players caring about
them is so funny. Like they think it is hilarious
that people are like. This is before he, yeah, this is
before he got drafted to he he he was really nice.
One idea, I know about it, but yeah, ultimately said now.
So this is what it is. I don't have, I don't have
anything more on your ship us beyond like I was taking him a
ton in round 20 and and you know, I've seen him going like
round 16 and 17 now it's getting harder.
There I I think that the move now is to slurp the Dipperino on
Jermaine Burton, like round 16. Jermaine Burton.
That's pretty. I mean like maybe he sucks, but
round three wide receiver on like the 4th best passing
offense in the Bengals. Like he's going after Jalen
McMillan and some of my stuff now that I see.
And a deep threat like he's he's, you know, the type of guy
who gets out there a little bit at the end of the year and it
could make a difference. So yeah, I I like scooping the
dip on Burton for sure. Let's talk here about another
rookie wide receiver, I guess, sorry Yoshi Boss's second year,
but another young wide receiver that is making a lot of splash
plays at camp. Jalen McMillan is up a full
round to pick 176 off. Just steady, steady camp hype.
Todd Bowles, I had a snippet of the clip in here, but he was
consistently topping talking up Jalen McMillan start with the
Levitan. Have you guys adjusted the ranks
at all on McMillan based on the steady camp buzz?
I mean, this is probably like in terms of late round guys, we
were like 40 spots ahead on this guy for like 2 months straight.
And I was like, man, the market's not moving towards us.
Like this is going to be a problem.
And now it's finally getting here on all this camp stuff.
We're still ahead of Market 171. The ETR ranks woke up angry.
And and and got to 17 and he's up to 177 in ADP now.
Yeah, it just seems like a classic bet you want to make in
basketball, like a talent rookie with a clear path.
Mike Evans is old ish, and this regime came in and drafted Jill
McMillan and have been talking him up.
So yeah, I mean, just seems like a classic. close your eyes, no
brainer. There is some paths to a real
big time role right away, but I don't think you're going to get
like zeros from Jalen McMillan at any point this year.
I do think he wins the wide receiver three role pretty
cleanly in this offense. Yeah, Crane go to you on
McMillan. No, I mean I completely agree
that he's a clear target. I'm actually hoping that in some
of the pre season stuff it won't be super clear right away that
he has taken the job and it will kind of cool off his.
Price Well, be careful what you wish, be careful what you wish
for, because you might get scared off if he's playing in
the third. You okay?
I won't 'cause he's done enough to where I'm.
Like me then, Pat? The dudes taking the job, he's
taking the job from Trey Palmer over the the course of the year
and probably over the course of the preseason.
But I wouldn't mind a little week.
One that that is the one thing, I don't know if you guys have
had this experience, but I've kind of loved every wide
receiver 3 the Buccaneers have ever had other than Russell
Gage. Like, I've been infatuated with
Trey Palmer and Tyler Johnson and Scotty Miller and there was
another guy. Justin Watt.
Justin Watson. Justin Watson.
Justin Watson was a really good one.
Yeah. So it's like I've done this so.
And I know that this is like the.
It's like the Rashi Rice thing all over again where it's like
just because the wider secret 3 for the Buccaneers has been this
archetype. Like good prospect, shitty NFL
fantasy player. I mean, I've got like 19% Jalen
McMillan. Scotty Miller and Justin Watson
are still in the league, you know.
Yeah, I, I, there's something, I mean, the concern that I'm
starting to have here is how much can Baker make like one of
the other two guys has to crater like Evans.
Evans or Godwin as the creator for for Macmillan to really
matter. Yeah.
And that that's actually related to the question I was going to
ask you guys. Who do you feel has a cleaner
who who has won or will win the wide receiver three job cleaner
Jalen Tolbert, Cowboys wide receiver or Jalen McMillan,
Bucks wide receiver three. Now McMillan to me is clearly
like better player than Jalen Tolbert.
There's no doubt about that. But when you start thinking
about, I don't think Brandon Cokes is a big time target
earner. I don't know if Jake Ferguson's
going to be a big time target earner throughout his career.
And then you start getting a cleaner path for Jalen Tolbert,
who goes 23 picks later. I, I don't like Jalen Tolbert as
a player that much, But just in terms of path opportunity, I
don't know that that feels like a gap that's too wide to me
between. I've really struggled with
Tolbert though, because I I don't think Tolbert's good and I
think like what it means to be the wide receiver. 3IN Dallas
could mean like 6065% rap participation.
Like they could, they could rotate in Jalen Brooks or
whoever else like. Florinoy.
Florinoy There's situations in the NFL where we learn names and
Jalen Tolbert being the wide receiver three is is one where
we learn some names. Right.
That's been looking good. That's why.
That's why Billy Johnson is the guy who's been popping up.
Right, that's why I asked who you think is cleaner.
Wide receiver 3 McMillan. Or I think McMillan actually,
because I think you can just consolidate a role where he's.
Yeah, what what you win when you win is much bigger with McMillan
than it is because, because he could also.
I mean, Evans is 30. Godwin is is an old, what's
Godwin's like an old 28. He's like, he's like 28, but he
feels like he's 24 or 34. So like there's crater.
There's definitely crater risk there with with both those guys
I think. For sure.
Godwin is 20. I think he turned 29 in
February, so he was factually an old 28.
Yeah, he's, he's an old 28. Yeah.
Last thing I'll add on Macmillan is I think that these wide
receivers that play in really. Jalen Darden.
Jalen Darden, Another one. Yeah, I was like, Jalen Darden
could play. I forgot about that guy, but
yeah, just to say he obviously he played with Roma Dunze and
Jalen Polk at University of Washington.
I just think sometimes those guys go a little bit later in
the draft, the guys who play in a really crowded wide receiver
route. He was also banged up this past
year. Yeah.
And yeah, led the team in touchdowns over Alma Doonese the
year before. So I just think there's some
some untapped upside in his profile that yeah, man Jalen,
Jalen Tolbert, we've just seen it for two years.
It's it's been pretty ugly with not great competition ahead of
him either year, honestly. So, Michael?
Gallup just retired and he he held that job over.
Let's get into fallers here. DeAndre Hopkins, obviously the
biggest faller of the past week. He's down 20% ADP, a full round.
Adam. Is that enough of a fall knowing
that he's an older player who is now out four to six weeks?
I think the the wording is that they're hopeful he's back week
one, but it's not guaranteed. What are your thoughts?
Yeah, I think it goes back to what you thought pre injured
DeAndre Hopkins. We actually thought that Hopkins
was a better pick than Calvin Ridley.
And and so we just got completely punched in the cock
on this because now, because now I have like no Ridley and I have
like 15% Hopkins and now I'm not be able to get any Ridley
because now his ADP is up in like, you know, in the 50s or
something like that. I'm not taking Calvin Ridley
there. So yeah, this is bad in terms of
what to do now for me personally concerned, I already have 15%.
I'll probably back off. We got down to 95th on underdog
in the ranks on there. It's just four to six weeks is
sounds like I'm somewhat serious injury for a 32 year old guy.
I am very confident that Tennessee is going to be one of
the more pass happy teams this season in neutral situations.
I am not confident all that Will Levis can execute that kind of
game plan and be successful doing it.
So it's a bit of a parlay now on Hopkins.
You need him to still be the guy, still be good at 32.
You need his need to be right and you need Will Levis to be
decent. So I think for me, Hopkins in
the 90s would probably be where I would start taking him again.
Yeah, I, I, I, I'm actually am taking some Ridley now.
I don't have any Ridley. Like you.
We were completely in agreement. I just like I can't I I don't
understand the Ridley price. I don't understand the Hopkins
price. Hopkins felt like such a smash
to me. He had, you know, a good season
last year with the same quarterback.
And so I was, I was pretty excited to be taking him in the
sixth round. Now I'm I'm cooling off a lot.
Like I just think in this situation, it's like, well, it
went against me. I'm not going to double down
with like on the bet is different now.
So doubling down, it just doesn't make sense.
And however, I, I am now willing to say, OK, well, Ridley, part
of the reason I was not that into him is that I, Hopkins is
better. Hopkins going to operate as the
one. So if, if Hopkins is falling off
a bit or if he misses games early on potentially or if he's
never right all season, then Ridley is a materially better
bet. So I'm willing to take him at
kind of the end of the fifth round and get at least some
exposure. I thought on this news that he
was going to rise up to like the third or fourth round because
I've never understood the Calvin Ridley price.
So the fact that he. Has a bunch at all.
Yeah, it's been, I've been like taking that as you know, OK.
Like if you guys are going to let me have them at the old
price, then I think I I'm like duty bound to get at least some.
Yeah, yeah. I think that makes sense.
And yeah, we talked about Ridley in.
Is it? Is it too big brain to think
that Ridley is a worse pick if Hopkins is banged up?
Because the IT just might just be like us horrible slog to
watch the Tennessee Titans play football I.
Mean I I always assumed it was going to.
Be a horrible. I moved.
I no, I was more. I was more with Levitan.
I'm like they're going to give Levis a chance to be 7% pass
rate over expectation and just see what they.
Still will, I think. Yeah, the good news is the wide
receiver depth. Like say what you want about
trailing Burks, having him as a wide receiver for that's like
decent. Yeah, that's pretty good, right?
Pretty good, yeah. Trailer Burks is back on the
menu, boys. Back on the menu, I honestly, I
don't know if it's a bit or not, but I honestly think he's not
the worst. He's not a bit.
I I took, I've taken him a couple times.
Oh, I take yeah, the bit trailing backdoors.
Since his injury, I've done Levis trailing backdoors, yeah.
Yeah, you can't give up on trailing bricks until you see
him in the power slot. Roll everyone.
Everybody knows. Ball.
Knows that. Let's talk Kendra Miller here.
I know we just have Levitan for 10 more minutes.
So trying to go at the market Monday.
One minute per player pace, he's down 24 spots.
He's getting close to like eighteenth round from where he
started. I think around pick 140 ish.
Levitan, are you holding any hope out?
I know you guys talk you and Silva talk to Underhill over
with the Saints a decent bit. Are you holding out any hope
that Kendrick and can turn the story around?
If you talk to Underhill the the answer.
Yeah, I was going to say how many Underhill, What's Underhill
say? He would say no, but he says no
on every Saints player. He just, he just hates.
Every real player. On on the.
Saints, he thinks they. All stuck.
Even like Rashid Shahid, he's like, yeah, that.
Guy, yeah, he has like no excitement whatsoever.
What about Taysom though? I don't know, man, this is this
is really bad on Kendrick. I do think that like Dennis
Allen, unlike a lot of NFL coaches who just only talk
positively, like he goes out of his way to talk negatively about
players in the media. And maybe like coaches sometimes
do that about guys they like. They just want them to work
harder, you know, So I didn't take the Dennis Allen quote like
he's got to, you know, make the team or what?
I didn't take that as that bad. He's trying to push a guy that
he knows his talented maybe hasn't had the best work ethic
or whatever. The bigger concern for me is the
Saints believe they need Alvin Kamara to make the offense work.
And coaches love putting the ball in the fucking belly of my
close personal friend Jamal Williams.
Like just love it. You know, like they cannot stop
giving the ball to Jamal Williams.
So with bottom 5 offensive line now, now that Ryan Ramchek
retired, it doesn't look great. But at pick 185, running back of
Kendra Miller's talent, at least I don't know what you guys
thought of him as a prospect. I know a bunch of prospect Bros
thought he was pretty talented. Pick 185, close my eyes and take
a shot. I think that's totally fine.
We're at 191 on Kendra Miller and like, I need running back at
this point. So often it's like, I haven't
done it. But just talking through it, I'm
kind of like, man, would not be the craziest thing in the world
for Kendra's talent to eventually shine through in this
backfield. And you're paying like nothing
at this point. You are, but I mean, the the
thing about the Dennis Allen quote that concerned me was that
he he had a hamstring injury and it's just like, dude, like what
did you think? He just like decided that like
he didn't choose to have a hamstring injury And you're
talking about how he needs to like get right and start, you
know, stop getting hurt basically.
So I'm like you, you hate this guy.
It's just like a very unfair thing to do.
So it just had me pretty nervous about like where his because the
whole Kendre play is that he forces the issue with Camara,
who's very over the hill as a runner.
He still does all the receiving stuff decent but it's he's been
in a a long decline now as as a runner.
But like we need the team to believe in Kendra or be like
open minded about what Kendra can do out there for that to
happen. The most likely scenario is that
Kamara just like eats a shit load of snaps this year and and
doesn't do much with them. What about this scenario?
The Saints suck. Alvin Kamara is almost certainly
off the team next year. Let's see Kendra Miller down the
stretch and see what he has. I love that scenario, but I'm
is, are we living in a world where they're even interested in
that? Like that's, that's where I'm,
I'm starting to get concerned. I'm very confident Khmer won't
be on the team next year like that.
That's one thing I agree is, is for sure.
So yeah, I mean, what do you think about, what do you think
about like Kendry versus Braylon Allen?
Because I I take Braylon Allen. Braylon Braylon to.
Me it's getting like you know who like OK don't hurt your
hamstring and you might get cut versus this guy kind of reminds
me of Danny Woodhead. I I prefer, I prefer the
Woodhead comps like it's honestly no, that's where I'm
getting to man. Oh, I love it, Karain.
You just made my day, dude. Karain.
Karain saying that he takes Dylan loudly over Kendra Miller.
No Shipley. Didn't Shipley get the Woodhead
comp? No and lobby also?
And lobby. Oh they bought 2 Woodhead comps?
Oh my God, I wonder what? They all have in common, yeah.
Yeah, I mean trade like Tyrone Tracy, Dylan Lobby is like where
I'm like, OK, like I don't know if these guys are anything.
Maybe I'll just take Kendra Miller, but the dudes who are
getting any like what about the Eric Prince Davis who taking him
over Kendra? Bro, I mean I feel legit bad for
Claude Ebert Solaire. I probably said some very mean
things about Claude Ebert Solaire on the Internet.
He's cost me a lot of money interpersonally, but it feels
like this is just like their plan now, Like their plan is
Prince has shown us enough. He's the running back to Clyde
is now the the The thing is, is that the role that Clyde will
have will be the third. Like he's he's the old head, you
know, he's Latavius Murray now. He's 27 years old.
He's on his second contract making no money.
Like he's there to just not make mistakes.
Like if someone needs to pass block, if someone needs to go,
like if Pacheco can't do it. But Prince is probably like,
yeah, like I, I'm, I'm taking Prince a lot now.
Like I, I am fully off taking Clyde's and I'm taking Prince
ahead. I would take Prince over Kendra.
The only thing I would say on that is from what I understand,
Jerick McKinnon is working out, staying in shape and could be
ready if the chief calling. That that that honestly feels
like the most likely outcome as we're just back to Jerick
McKinnon the after debating generic prints for CEH.
It's like he but like remember the whole they're saving
McKinnon for the playoffs thing? It's like and then they didn't
even they saved him and then he played like 4 snaps and then he
had to have core muscle surgery. Like it's, it's like you can't,
can't be relying on a 32 year old running back, dude.
I also feel like we called his career dead like six years ago
and he's still around so well, that's.
Because Shanahan said he had dead legs.
I I didn't say it. Shanahan said it.
Yes, that's constant. That was in 2020 that he had
dead legs 2020. What an insane career Jerick
McKinnon has had. It really is.
Yeah, he. Was a college quarterback?
Yeah. No one knows.
Last thing I'll say on Kendre is just to close the book there and
then we'll get get to one more player.
I think once he's priced in this range, like you can nitpick
Braylon Allen, generic Prince over him at a certain point it
it kinda doesn't matter. I still think he's draftable
like 17th, 18th round for sure. But there there are some guys
that still go after him, but. Braylon Allen's like Locked In
is the number 2 and has been. Yeah, no, I I definitely prefer
Braylon to him, but once you get to the generic Prince and CEH,
it's like, I don't know. The thing is generic Prince and
Ch also don't have the out that Kendre has of just like season's
over for the Saints. Let's see what we have in him
even though we don't really like him like.
But isn't it still? It's like you crawl through a
river of shit to get to week 17, and then you have Kendra Miller
behind the Saints offensive line.
Like, I'm just like, I, I'm just in more shit.
This is, this is a disaster. I I really.
Isn't that the Jonathan? Isn't that the Jonathan Brooks
argument? Ducks.
OK, I didn't. I didn't.
I didn't mean. I didn't mean.
We don't have time.
We don't have time for that right now.
Devonta Adams is someone I wanted to talk about and love.
10 Feel free. You have like 5 minutes for this
or you? Yeah, for sure, for sure.
OK, he's the only guy I want to talk about, I think a very under
discussed player in fantasy this year, even though he goes in the
second round of every draft. I just wanted to do the same
analysis with him that I did with Cooper Cup just to show
that I think there's a couple things.
I think a lot of people kind of compare what happened to him
last year and Cup last year, I think it was was a little bit
different. You don't really see a drop off
at all in targets per outrun for Devante like you did with Cup.
Also looking at some of the peripheral like open score and
Harmon's charting, they're also there.
There's like a tiny drop off, but he's still 95th percentile
and Harmon's success rate over expected.
Again, Cup was in like the 40th percentile there.
Open score still has him a solidly above 75 percentile
player. So again, I know he's he's more
expensive than Cop, so that's somewhat priced in, but I do
think a drop off last year, just a slightly less significant of
one when you look at the underlying stats.
Even so he's down to spots. I think there's a chance where
Cop actually flips in. Curious what you think Levitan
on on Devante this year? He's kind of a tricky player
with the the team situation in Las Vegas.
So the first thing I'd say every time I'm considering Devante, I
start thinking about the best ball playoffs.
The biggest delta between implied team total from the
regular season and implied team told during the fantasy playoffs
belongs to the Raiders. In the fantasy playoffs they get
Atlanta, Jacksonville, New Orleans.
So 3 Dome slash warm weather games against three defenses
that project to be. Let's go.
The the the bad thing, of course is quarterback play and age.
It's just hard on full PPR for me to turn down 160 targets, 160
targets on half PPRI. Totally get passing on him.
We have him ranked one spot ahead of Nico Collins.
I actually take Nico over Devante.
We haven't two spots ahead of Debo Samuel on all this IU news.
I've been taking Debo ahead of Devante Adams, also on
Underdogs. So yeah, I don't hate Devante
Adams. I feel like a lot of people are
just done with him based on the quarterback situation.
There are very few guys in the NFL that can actually get 3040%
of the targets in the game. Devante Adams can do that and
break slates doing that, and he has such an awesome playoff
schedule. So yeah, I'm probably a little
bit lower on Devante than our rank.
Again, we're at 18 on underdog. We have Nico 19, Devo 20.
I'd probably go both those guys over Devante personally, but you
know, it's really cutting thin there for sure.
Yeah, so, so for me, the thing I have trouble with is even though
like I think in a vacuum, if I'm just trying, if if the game was
get the most fantasy points from the wide receiver you pick, I
think I would like Devante over Chris Olave over Devo over Jalen
Waddle even potentially. But that's not the game, right.
Like when you take Devante Adams, you have no idea who is
quarterbacks gonna be, whereas all those other guys.
The the quarterback stack, I really like like the Derek Carr
with Olave, the 2O with Waddle, etcetera.
And I know if Waddle has a big spike week in the playoffs, he's
likely carrying my quarterback there as well.
Whereas if Adams has that huge spike week, like I have to get a
bunch of other things, right. And that's not to say you can't
win with like an uncorrelated Adams.
Obviously you can, but that's that's like a little bit of a
tiebreaker for me in the first two rounds when I know like I
don't want to waste an 18th round roster spot on like.
Open open your mind, dude, this is two eyes thinking.
You need to open your third eye automatically, combinatorically
knowing who you're one of your quarterbacks is going to be when
you have your first round pick or second round pick is not
ideal. It boxes you in dude, you got
it. You need to be.
You need to be, you need to be painting, you're.
Boxed in anything. You're only boxed in if you star
Derek Carr and then walk away from your computer.
I, I mean, I think I, I believe that Devante Adams is a great
pick. I, I am continually picking him
here. But what I'm saying is that, for
example, the Justin Jefferson Devante Adams start, which many
people are saying is one of the greatest starts that you can
make in a fantasy football draft, that it's absolutely
insane that you could have the two best wide receivers in the
NFL with your first two picks. You might be going, you might be
panicking, you might be you're, you're, you're sweating, you're
nervous. Who do I take at quarterback?
And then you go, I actually could just can take Trey McBride
and Kyler Murray, or I could take Roma Doonese and Caleb
Williams. Or I could take Marvin Mims and
Bo Nicks, or I could take Roman Wilson and Justin Fields.
It all works out. You don't have to box yourself
in bro. Yeah, I get that.
It just gives you one less out. I get that.
You can still make a correlated lineup work.
I'll I'll get Korean's take on Adams.
I want to give Levitan a chance to get out of here.
I know he's got a heart out. Levitan, thanks a lot for
joining us. Anything at established run that
you want to tell the people about?
Not really, no. You guys come.
You know what? YouTube.
The YouTube streets are absolutely flooded these days.
You guys are on YouTube, I assume if you're watching this.
Yeah, we're trying extremely hard to win against the kids on
YouTube. Support the olds versus the kids
on YouTube. You need to hire someone who
will fucking stream for five hours at a time, Adam.
That's how you can back these children.
You gotta make those market Mondays two hours, buddy, you
gotta. I'm sorry.
I'm sorry dude. God, I need more live stuff.
OK, yeah. Strasser pod.
Yeah, man, Strasser was on a couple months ago.
I saw Harmon's Harmon's going on too this week.
Is that right? I need to get.
I need to get Strasser on to tell me what the fuck is going.
On dude, just zoom out on the chart.
And also honestly, I, I know it's a bit, but like I was
actually talking to my friends and I was like, man, best ball
might be the best store of value for the next like six months.
It it legit like? If you think you can make like
8% on best ball this year, it might actually be the best store
of value you could find for your money over the next six months,
which I never thought I'd say in a million years, but yeah.
Love Tan. It's about the community it's
about. The community, that's how
DraftKings and all these other NFT birds got into trouble.
Do not say it's about the fucking.
It is always about the money. Do not say it's about the
fucking community. Ever.
All right. Appreciate you guys.
Great. Great to be here.
Good luck. All right.
Thanks Adam all. Right, later, guys.
So I think we're going to get get registered into a big dog
draft crane if you want. I'll get that going, you know.
I did want to give you your a chance to give your Devante Adam
stake if you had anything to add to that conversation.
Well, not, not a ton. I mean, we have him rated ADP.
He's he's a player that's like a little I, I, I kind of come down
where you do, where I'm like, I would just give me like any kind
of quarterback that I can like latch onto like a story, you
know, because I don't think it's even going to be consistent.
I think we're going to probably start with Aidan O'Connell, but
he might lose the job at some point.
But Minchu has not looked good. And like Minchu was good last
year, but he, you know, he's been pretty bad at times.
So this is not, it's just a situation that could really hold
down Adam's talent, which I am a big believer in.
So, yeah, I I'm not, that's just kind of a bummer of a situation,
man. Like he, he goes there to play
with his like, college quarterback best friend and they
they cut him like, I mean, like, just outrageous.
Like, it just, it's just the whole thing is such a bummer.
And then they clearly misplayed the offseason with court, with
getting a quarterback. I don't think they understood
they didn't have urgency in getting a quarterback.
They just blew it. So we're just kind of in this
half built team that's like in a, you know, they're like, I
guess we'll start in O'Connell. It's just, it's just such a
bummer, man. Yeah, we said that the best
situation for Justin Fields was the Steelers.
I actually think you could throw the Raiders in there.
The Raiders, too. That that would have been really
fun because I think, say what you want about Russ, I think
Minshew and AOC are are worse and Justin Fields would have an
even better chance of of winning that competition.
So I well, that's. Kind of what I mean here, I
think so like when I talk about like teams not wanting to make
fields, like if you brought in fields instead of Minshew, I
think it would have been like harder for them to do what they
assumed they could just sit tight and do and draft a
quarterback. You know, like, where the fans
would assume there's this like fan reset that needed to happen
with Fields, where like fans were going to be like, wherever
he goes, he's our starter now. And the NFL was like, no, I'm
not. I'm not interested in that.
But by sitting out Fields, then you end up potentially in the
situation that they find themselves in now.
So I mean, obviously I think it was a huge mistake not to get
Fields for free. It does seem like a huge error
on their part. I don't know what.
I just don't think traders know what they're doing as we wait
for the draft to fill. Had Roman Wilson as.
Another I wanted to talk about Bidel.
How are we? How is this a prominently
charger show not gonna talk about Kamani Bidel?
Yeah. Well, in honor of the Chargers
beats, we just are ignored. We just no Karain.
We gotta give them, we gotta give them some credit.
They actually have been doing their jobs as it pertains to the
running backroom. Sam, was this last Friday or
Thursday? You were on A roll, dude.
You were, you were. You had like 4 Absolute banger.
Tweets you did you you had a nice run the other.
You had a nice run including including the Chargers beat
writer not knowing how to properly smell milk.
That was so. Good.
That was an all time, all time dunk.
That was very, very good. It turns out when I don't tweet
screenshots of like, Jalen Naylor or Tyrone Shavers,
actually. Yeah, I can.
I can give you some advice. I can give you some advice on
that, which is that athletic screenshots about Jalen Naylor
are not going to get the people. Going, They're not going to get
the people going. Now, those are for the true
fans. But yeah, that that was bearish
that Daniel Popper did not know how to spell Kamani the doll.
It's really, it's really not good, but that's not going to
stop me because I can't read my, my, my thought process is as
long as Videl makes the roster, it's really the same bet that it
always was. Because he was never going to be
the starter, right? He he was never what, what
universe are we were going to live in where Greg Roman and
Harbaugh, we're going to come in and they were going to say Gus
Edwards and JK Dobbins, you guys are fully healthy.
Go sit your ass on the bench. It was a bet against Dobbins
Health and it was a bet against Edward's versatility, which we
know he does not have. He he does not have that
versatility. So I I was not AI was I was not
a big bull on him before, but I am feeling more bullish now.
Yeah, that makes sense. I box.
Yeah, I I was messing around with this.
I agree that it was very unlikely that there were going
to be. Oh, Kamati Vidal is the Week 1
starter. I guess I was hoping for a
little bit more like, oh, he's clearly ahead of Isaiah Spiller
and Jared Patterson and we haven't even got that yet.
But that's that's the scary part is that I was hoping he was at
least sort of more of a clear running back three.
I think there's plenty of time for that to sort itself out.
And he's still like the best talent profile.
I mean, Jared Patterson's been in the NFL for a couple years,
hasn't really gotten any meaningful carries.
Isaiah Spiller, same story there.
And he's been on the team forever, so he's had his
chances. So I do think Videl will rise to
be running back three. And then it's just a matter of
time before Dobbins or Gus gets injured.
But it's still bears that he's just like, he doesn't seem to be
flashing up in practice to be even considered above like some
real fringe talents there. Cran, you're on mute.
It's also not a given that he does rise and I've been playing
it like he would rise and I've, I hope he does because I have
enough to where those those teams would really benefit.
Yeah, I'm at 12%, so I didn't go nuts, but I was, I was
definitely targeting him. Yeah, I'm, I'm taking him more
now. I I think he's a better pick
now. Well, yeah, I mean, he's cheaper
now You. Can get him in the 15th round
now. Yeah.
I mean. What's your what's your exposure
blanket on on Dobbins since we last met?
It's definitely higher because I took him today in a BBM.
I'm I'm taking him some now I'm taking.
But you know. I'm taking him some now knowing
he's going to be dead. I'm treating him the same way I
treat Zeke, like knowing that he is not going to be giving me
points in week 17 but he might give me a couple good spike
weeks in like week 7 or. Whatever.
No, that's exactly what I'm doing.
So I took him today with, let's see, I'm going to pull it up.
I took him with Trey Benson and that actually felt pretty fun.
My running back room was, yeah, my running back room was
Jonathan Taylor, Chase Brown, Trey Benson, JK Dobbins, Antonio
Gibson. So I'm like, you know, do some
stuff in the beginning of season and then some other dudes will
do stuff. Yeah, I like I'm starting to
like Dobbins too, just as like I think the the Cam makers point
that Crane made on last week's show really made me see the
vision. Is that like at the price he's
at, we don't need him to be good.
I think I was really discounting him for odds of him like not
even making the team. Now that it seems very likely
he's going to make the team now it's just like 151 sixty.
You don't have to like the player's talent at that point.
Like it just it. It could be just a bet on
touches, which seems crazy for a guy who's been off so many major
injuries, but it does. Seem that's that's The thing is
it's less it's it we're psyoping ourself again.
So we psyopped ourself to be out on Dobbins to be like, he can't
possibly be ready for training camp.
He's ready for training camp. He's not on the PUP list.
But then it's also another it's it's it's another exercise in
gaslighting to be like, yeah, JK Dobbins is totally going to stay
healthy for the remainder of the regular season.
You know, it it it goes, it goes the other way.
Although did you guys have this thought on the Hall of Fame
game, watching Cam Makers come back and and play and score the
touchdown being like, well if Cam Makers came back and scored
a touchdown in the preseason off the Achilles, maybe JK Dobbins
has it in him. I can definitely see that.
Was that just me? It was just me.
No, yeah, that didn't click for me, but.
But think about it. The the thing with Dobbins that
I'm trying like so he had the Achilles, but we have had
there's like, I don't know. This is where I I don't, I just
don't know with, you know, the medical stuff, but I believe you
can partially tear your Achilles and then fully tear it in the
partials. Way less bad.
So I'm like, is it possible that he like partially towards
Achilles because he's back like way sooner than we thought or
like, I don't know. Or like there's some his his
Achilles repair went like shockingly well or like.
I think the timeline for these things are just getting faster,
right? Like, I mean, the Aaron Rodgers
thing, maybe that was a little bit of gaslighting, but Cam
Akers came back in the NFL playoffs after tearing his
Achilles in July of that season, right?
That's like, yeah. Yeah, May.
So or may Yeah, so. It was in OTAs.
But yeah, I, I do think that like at some point, I don't
know, again, speaking on something that I have no all
knowledge of, but we did see the trend of these ACL injuries
being so bad for NFL players. And then like about a decade
ago, the data started to get better on players coming off the
ACL. Like maybe the medical advances
at some point are going to get to the place where Achilles is
not a career ender. But again, we still have, we, we
don't really have data of, of that yet, right?
It's it's still pretty weak. Yeah, but I guess the point I'm
making is like, I don't know, the medical stuff is always
going to be uncertain. You know, we don't have all the
information. And then I don't, even if I did
that with the information and I'd be like, someone tell me
what this means, please. So the the the fact that he is
at practice, that he is moving around pretty well, that every
player on the Chargers is working through something,
according to Jim Harbaugh, except Dobbins, right.
Like there's, that's encouraging to me that, you know, we, we
talked about how he had so, so little money that it was
basically just a tryout. Well, the tryout seems like it's
going pretty well. So I do think we want to, I
don't know, just be like, maybe I was, maybe I was wrong about
how devastating this injury was because this is, it was supposed
to devastate this part of the summer and it's not.
Sam, how many left do we need to fill for the big dog?
I'm about to tweet it. No, I just tweeted something and
tagged you guys. If you want to repost or or
tweet your own. Cran's actually the one managing
this. What is it?
Two people left. Three people.
We lost one. OK, well let's wait for that to
fill. There's a couple, one more riser
and faller. I wanted to talk through Roman
Wilson, I think another under discussed guy this summer.
He's just steadily fell down and you know there was this ankle
injury. He was seen walking in a boot.
He was actually out of the boot today or or yesterday, which is
a positive sign. Crane with with Fields seeming a
little bit more draftable. Are you a little more interested
in going after Roman Wilson at this depressed ADPI?
Mean I know the picture was fake but I would like to see where
are you clans. Well, now people are saying it
so so the picture, the picture was fake, but now a bunch of
people on Twitter, like literally since we started doing
the show in the last 90 minutes have been saying it's happening.
OK, well that I mean, that would really hurt Wilson.
I mean that was that would literally send Roman Wilson to
absolute 0. The the reason I think so in a
sense it doesn't affect Wilson because he wasn't going to play
on the outside. Who's going to be the slot if it
went well? But the problem is that Calvin
Austin has had a really good camp and will have some kind of
role quarter all. Patterson's going to get
involved in very gadgety ways, probably in the backfield, but
some in the slot. I don't think that there is a
full time slot receiver on this team.
If there's Brandon Nyuk and George Pickens on the outside, I
think there's going to be like a group of receivers all kind of
filling in other routes. So and you know, they'll run a
lot of 12 too, so, or at least a decent enough 12 to where it's
going to hurt Roman Wilson as the as the slot there.
So yeah, I, I think we need IU not to, to go there.
But if that happens, I mean, before the ankle injury, things
are sort of turning around for, for Roman Wilson a little bit
where it was like, Oh yeah, he'll probably win the slot
receiver role eventually. So I would be somewhat
interested in this price if IU goes elsewhere.
David So now you're drafting a ton of chiefs, are you, are you
drafting Wilson as a bring back at all?
I I think I was a little bit early because I actually was
kind of woke to him as a prospect.
I was like, well, if the NFL is going to treat Ladd Mcconkey
like this, like a guy who barely played but was fast, why can't
Roman Wilson be that guy with limited production but was fast
and and had, you know, like some big like he was good in their
like playoff games and stuff. But there was nothing at OTAs.
Like he was not a star of mini camp.
There was nothing, there was nothing there.
There was nothing at training camp.
And in fact, the first thing I got from him on training camp
was a negative report and then he hurt his ankle.
So yeah, I I'm like, I'm like totally out.
And if this IU thing is real, really, it's really bad for him.
The Steelers bring back. I mean, you know, it's it's say
the line Bart, it's Jalen Warren that that's the that's the way
that's the way you do it or or Friar mood.
Yeah, yeah, on this Iuke stuff, I guess while we have time,
let's dig into that. I'm curious, starting with the
Ukraine, if Iuke goes to the Steelers, what is his closing
line ADP in September? Well, let's see.
I think he would fall initially to probably the the third round,
middle, middle to late 3rd rounds.
Like he'd be decide he'd be in that kind of Stefan Diggs, DJ
Moore pocket. Then he probably falls again, as
you know, guys from the fourth round come up and start flipping
those receivers. So I would say he probably lands
at the very end in like the mid 4th.
And then Pickens, I mean, Pickens got to fall.
Yeah, he's got to go almost to like the 6th.
I don't know. I've been behind on Pickens
maybe? I would have so much George
Pickens, maybe George Pickens if George Pickens is going where
like Jackson Smith and Jigba goes.
I'm I'm like taking on debt to. Draft, no.
I think it'd be more like Jaden Reed or Jordan or.
Jordan OK, yeah, Then that that's, that's, that's
realistic. I mean, I would still, I would
still have more of him there. Cuz Reed's someone is
interesting. Now and, and I yeah, I think all
the receivers falls is partly how I'm doing this.
Yeah, that sounds about right to me that like I think IUK first
Michael Pittman is like kind of an interesting decision that
people would have at that point in the draft.
I think he would wherever Pittman say that group of wide
receivers lands, I would imagine IU lands like just in front of
them. I think the.
The draft started. Yeah, we have to set up.
OK. Nice.
Is there any way to? I haven't streamed a lot of
drafts. Is there any way to make this
more visible? Or I guess this is what this is
the standard ship chasing view, right?
Yeah. Yeah, Karen can.
He can click the little pop out and it'll be just be all the
board. Sweet.
All right. So what do you guys think in
terms of strategy in these? I have not even what is the
advancement structure came. In it's super.
It's it's it's like the easiest advance rate.
Well, the mastiff is a is a little bit easier.
I'll pull up the exact advance, right.
But it's it's the opposite of Galaxy brain.
Is, is what we are. Are doing I'm seeing one out of
six, one out of 610 seat final so.
Well, two out of 12 advanced from the pod then.
Then one sixth once, Yeah. Yeah, like I, I broke a tie
earlier today. I was on clock on a big dog and
I took Samir White over Jonathan Brooks because I'm like, you
know, yeah. But I I'm not going to make as
much of A play at the late season stuff all.
Right. Fuck whatever.
I like, I think anchor running back is is really good here,
right? I guess I'm fine with Dijon or
Bris. Yeah.
Bijon, Dijon or Bris, what do you guys want?
Bijon. Probably give me Bijon.
You know what honestly, it has has sold me on Bijon over Bris,
even though I think it's really close, is the backup quarterback
situation in Atlanta. And that, that sounds dumb, but
having Michael panics there, don't you think that gives the
offense just like a little bit of upside still, if shit hits
the fan with Achilles recovery for either of these
quarterbacks? Yeah, yeah, no, it's, I mean,
listen, man, like we have, we've all suffered three years of Zach
Wilson and a ton of other dudes in The Jets.
I don't think it's silly at all to.
My my tie break. Is.
My tie break is not that it, it's the defensive quality.
The Jets defense is going to be so good that they're just going
to be playing in a bunch of these low scoring, low paced
games. The Falcons defense is going to
be like fine, but it's not It's not going to be like that.
But I obviously I don't fault that.
I I think I think you could be fine with either.
I think they're both, yeah. I honestly you can sell me on
either way. I imagine if you took truth
serum there, you're you're taking your guy Breece.
He didn't even need to. Truth serum.
I was just outvoted to the one. That's all that.
But do you think it's clear cut or do you think it's it's close?
I don't think it's clear cut. I don't know, Maybe I do think
it's clear cut, yeah. I just think he's like Breece
sort of sets up his, you know, pretty, pretty safe where he's
just like, Oh yeah, he's obviously the best running back
in the league, you know, this year.
Like he, he just was so good last year.
So yeah, I like, I like Bijan a lot.
I think it's a little bit still of a projection and it's
somewhat driven by the touches in that, you know, I don't know,
it's a little less appealing to me.
I like that. Really wanted.
Really wanted Nico. All right, So JT Olave, Yeah.
JT, Olave, Barkley, Adams, what do you guys like?
I will do a lot later. Adams here, I think.
I have Adams higher but I don't really care.
I'm honestly good with Adams, seems like a good.
Format to get Adams exposure, don't you think?
Like a little bit less worried about the stacking maybe?
Well, the truth is, is that every format is better for
Devante Adams because he's the best wide receiver.
But truly, I, I, my truth serum is that I really believe that I,
I think that Devonta Adams actually is the best receiver.
Like it just that the job of being a receiver I I think.
Yeah, come on, Jefferson's better than Adams.
Right. Oh, OK, Jefferson is better.
Yes, he's he's the second best. OK.
Yeah, that was that was a very interesting conversation that
that you and Gretch had on on Chip chasing about his Garrett
Wilson, Justin Jefferson thing. Yeah, that that caused me to go
dive deeper into the math and and become more convinced that I
was right. You know, that's always what
happens because this is a this is this is a good question for
for all of everyone listening. What do you guys think?
Nick Mullins career YPA is on over 800 attempts.
So it's it's like not nothing over over 800 attempts.
What do people think? Nick Mullins, his career YPA is
keeping in mind his coaches have been Kyle Shanahan, Kevin
Stefanski and Kevin O'Connell. It's.
Like. Seven point 5.7.
You guys aren't even close dude it's like 8.2.
Wow. Yeah, I mean, that's a, that's a
scam. That's a.
Shannon, it's a scam, but but you think the scam is changing.
You think you think that JJ McCarthy and Sam Darnold are
entering into a different scam. No, they are.
They are going in. They are.
They are actually partaking in the exact.
Same scam. There's been a couple players
that have have failed the scam like Trey Lance, but I generally
agree that. That that, that's scam.
That's scam. Continue unabated muscle.
Yeah, Beathard was 6.5 YPA, which is still like it's better
than any season of Sam Darnold's career.
All right, so we got. No, this is the absolute worst
thing about taking Bijon is that Kyrie is always the best pick
when you come back up in the third round.
Yeah, I I agree. That doesn't happen like this if
you take Breece. It it does, it's it's literally.
It's no making up falls dude. Totally.
I Oh, so we don't. Even have Chiron.
Yeah, I so I think, I think it's Dell you're.
You're Dell over. I'm digs over Dell.
I'm digs. I'm digs over Dell.
OK. But I, I, yeah, I don't think
it's like a huge, huge gap. The other move sometimes I do is
I take flowers and I play for Lamar.
Any interest in that? I'd rather do Kelsey and play
for Mahomes. Well, we have one.
See the problem with Kelsey is we only have one receiver.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is, I mean that is, that is
literally. That is literally the problem.
Yeah, I like the idea, but OK, I almost did that earlier today
and then I didn't for the same reason.
Here's here's the other thing, everyone in chat who's talking
about the trade, it's like no one, no one real is saying it,
yet no, no one real is saying this.
It's all, it's all like guys who have NFL in their Twitter name,
but but they're not affiliated with any journalistic place at
all. Like it's just like guys.
So yeah, chill out. Chill.
Out. I mean, it does feel.
Like it does feel a lot. I do think like 2 weeks ago I
was dismissing IU trades. I don't think I'm not dismissing
them anymore. It does feel like there's some
smoke to an actual dog. Which is there's definitely
smoke. Which is insane because I was I
did the take cast the other day with Ted Seth from he used to
work for summer. He's at Penn Gaming now and we
were kind of thinking about it and we were like next year
without Iuke. If they do trade him, CMC is 29,
Kittle's 31, Debo's 29, and they have to pay pretty that big ass
extension that would be crazy to run into 20. 25 I don't I don't
understand why they they can't figure out a deal with him.
Willis Willis did roast me. Very good guy who posted a fake
IU Instagram photo telling us to chill out.
Guys, I said that I was sorry. I said that I was sorry.
I apologized. All right, That was.
I thought that was rather big of me, honestly.
Here we go. Oh, let's make Sam take T
Higgins, let's make Sam take T. Let's do T Higgins, dude, that's
a good thing. I, I said this on Davis's
stream, I, I actually take T Higgins.
I hate, I hate to break the break the spell of the bit, but
he, he's just like an 8% guy for me.
Oh no, you go ahead. Like, come on, man, we had a
chance to make Sam take T Higgins.
All right, What do we do? I think we take a Chiefs wide
receiver or Mahomes, or we do Kirk.
I like Christian Kirk a lot. I like Amari Cooper over
Christian Kirk for sure. Where are you saying OK, I'd be
Kirk just for the IU to Cleveland stuff.
That's really overthinking it. No, that's insane.
I think Amari. I think amari all.
Right. Oh.
Breaking news Iuke to Cleveland confirms.
That is the trade that I actually think makes it.
It does. It still doesn't make total
sense, but it makes the most sense to me because Amari Cooper
still in his prime if this if the 49ers and Iuke if that
relationship is just unbendable and they can get back Amari
Cooper plus picks, that allows them to still be firmly in
contention this year. Like I think Amari could be very
good for 1-2 more years like that.
That trade is the one that made the most sense to me.
That does make the most sense. But that that actually would
send that sends Amari Cooper to San Francisco.
So in this universe, we're still good with him in the fourth
round. Actually that's.
Not really. There's not a universe where
Mari Cooper is a really bad at wide receiver 30 pricing.
Yeah. He's just, he's still really
good, I think. Yeah.
Always was astronaut meme won me, won me a a dynasty
championship last year. Got me, got me, got me through
the Sprint. Those playoff games.
I'll never forget them. It's it's strange, like I don't
know why he's just not a fun click.
Like he's just never. No, it's it's because it's
because he's a Brown. And the Browns are just like,
the least they're they are the least fun, most annoying team in
the NFL right now, for sure. Yeah.
It's also I think because he he was like so hyped as a prospect
and he never hit that like top five wide.
Receiver. Absolutely.
We're like dinging him for like, not meeting expectations even
though he's been really good. I think that's a little bit what
it is. I think that's, I think you're
totally right. He never became Justin Jefferson
when he was that level of prospect, you know?
Yeah, yeah, a lot of olds here though.
We got a, we have a lot of, a lot of guys, a lot of.
In and out on top of the queue. What do you what do we say, man?
I think go ahead. Oh, Rashi Rice went, so never
mind. Hollywood, Rice and Worthy all
went before we went. That's hilarious, I think.
Richardson is is interesting on this team.
Yeah, I do too. I think we go elite onesie here.
I would do pits but Kincaid and Richardson are both good too.
I think I'm Richardson. Sure, shipping.
Yeah, I think I'm Richardson over those guys.
These CRAN, these are not rank I it's the font's so small.
These are just ADP, not you. Just ADP, I don't have the
ranks, OK. Got it.
That was. That was fine.
That fifth round, that fifth round, once all those Chiefs
wide receivers get wiped out, you're like, what do you do?
I don't even that. That's never on my bingo card.
Well, it also because the 6th is just like all the same guys
again. Yeah.
Like it's just like, how does that work?
I don't know. There's just all there.
Yeah, because there's not no one mistaken for 10.
Things like I could take James Cook and Crete Keenan Allen in
the fifth round, or I could take James Cook or Keenan Allen at 63
and one of the two. Yeah, I mean, look at, I mean,
this is the kind of the thing it's like the tight ends, the
running backs start to go like it's a lot of the same
receivers. So I I do like going elite
onesie there. Same.
Can I, can I sell you on? Sorry, Davis.
Yeah, go ahead. The people are asking us to be
on the left side of the board. OK.
The different layout. Like this?
OK, let me remove the. Remove the boxes.
Yeah, yeah, it's trying to get too fancy.
CRAN, let me tell you on this take in this format, is elite
tight end less important? Because as I understand it, like
the thesis of elite tight end is that like in a larger field
tournament, if you don't have George Kittle's going to be
owned on one of the 500 teams. And if you don't have him and he
gets 40 points, it's going to be so hard to win when there's just
ten teams in the finals. Like there's very good odds
George Kittle isn't even in the finals, right?
So that'd be my logic for why it's less important.
It's also, it's also really important in getting you through
and it's very, very, very difficult to get through, you
know, one out of 16 or whatever. It's not as difficult to get
through one out of six. So it is less important.
I do think if Kittle is here though, he's kind of a smash,
given that you might. Be traded.
I agree. I think he's a.
Smash I, I like Kittle a lot. I was, I was just kind of
made-up the whole points of it fall here.
Thanks for falling right into our trend.
Oh my God, that was. Good content, Davis taught you
well. I, I I disagree with not wanting
to have an elite tight end in any format, like literally like
three man, like three man lobbies, Like I want to have the
best tight end because tight end differentiating points are just
like, yeah, for the matters for week 17.
But guess what? Mark Andrews is also going to
score like 100 more points than Noah fan in the regular season
2. Like they're just going to
produce at a really high level. Yeah, and I mean this
technically like isn't elite tight end, right?
Like we got him in the 6th. So this isn't.
Therefore Kettle is not elite. And all right, Hayden wanks.
I know you're in the chat, chime, chime in.
Is this is this elite? Not elite tight end dude.
There are, there are, would have been elite tight end.
There are only two, in my opinion.
There are only two elite tight ends, Kelsey and Andrews, and
then everyone else is just kind of varying degrees of tilting.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've been workshopping this like
take that that it is historically like one of the
worst takes if you look at the data.
But Titan 7, the Titan 7 to like 12 this year, which includes
like Kittle, Bowers, Ninjoku Ferguson.
I don't really love Evan Ingram, but kind of everyone else in
that group I think is like just as likely to produce as an elite
tight end as a couple of the guys that go in front of them,
just as likely as like a controversial.
Way. Yeah, this, this is historically
like one of the the. Worst The biggest trap in.
Fact. Like literally it is.
It is. It's amazing how how much of A
trap. It is but but I do think like
Gretsch brings up the point of just there being a lot deeper of
elite tight end profiles and I agree with him there.
But I think I just disagree with him on like where to cut it off
or I'd have to talk to Gretsch. Maybe we don't disagree, but
like the the run David and Joku went on to end the season last
year was like better than Trey McBride played down the stretch
both from like targets for outrun and like fantasy points.
And the market is basically saying like we don't care at all
because it was Joe Flacco. Like it's like 4.
We're giving all the credit to David and Joku stretch run to
like 40 year old Joe Flacco who's on the couch.
Like I don't get why we're not giving David and Joku like any
credit for that elite stretch run.
Yeah, last year, but I don't know.
I mean, because, well, it came with a different quarterback.
They then they traded for Judy. And also, like in Joku is such a
known quantity, it's a little tougher to get excited about
him. But don't you think, like, tight
ends, like their career paths? Like, I get if there's water,
yeah. That's like your big thing.
It's like tight ends. I know, I know, no, I'm not like
out on a Joku, but I think you know, compared to McBride, he's
entering his third season after a massive second year breakout.
The the hope is that he is like the tight end for a decade after
this. Like that's when you're taking
McBride, you're really hoping that that's what's going to
happen, that he's going to merge as the next Andrews, the next,
you know, Kelsey or like Zach Ertz maybe is a little less
crazy. But you know, one of these guys
that we take year in year out at the very top.
And I definitely think McBride has a much better chance of
that, you know, just given the the context around what he did
all. Right, what are we looking at
here? Yeah, we need to see the the.
Cue Yeah, sorry. Oh boy, I didn't.
I didn't want you guys to have to see this.
Yeah, it's so bad. It's always so it's just
miserable. Who are the wide receivers?
Yeah, they don't have those here.
You know, you know who they are. You know and you know what?
Curtis Samuel went. I think we take, I think we take
a running back. Let's not get bullied into.
What about James Conner or Montgomery?
Connor OR Oh yeah, Connor. I I forgot that.
Probably Connor for this format, like Montgomery, like the
contingent stuff's a little better, but I think I'd be
Connor here. Yeah, I'm Connor.
OK. Yeah, the Richardson pick was a
mistake. Shoot a gun.
Receiver. Shoot a gun receiver because we
could have taken Kyler Murray there.
Yeah, also Stroud sitting right here with digs we just passed
on. Well, that's, you know.
Yeah. The thing I like about
Richardson is that at least it sets us up for wide receiver
picks and in the in the window where normally would be taking
like running backs to quarterbacks, so.
It does, but I still like to get four and we have 3.
I I agree. I agree.
I just get it gets to a point where like when Curtis Samuel
goes, I'm not getting bullied into just like a bad pick just
because it's a wide receiver. Like I know that that's always
my goal to get 4 through 7, but. Yeah.
And I mean the Kittle pick, I have no regrets about that.
Richardson's maybe the one that we wish.
We. Yeah, you want, you want, you
want to have Keenan. You want to have Keenan?
Yeah, Keenan would have been a better pick, I think.
Keenan Stroud versus Richardson, Connor.
Keenan Stroud. You want Keenan Stroud?
Yeah. Or Keenan Kyler if you're yeah,
DeAndre Hopkins. Kyler went, Kyler went ahead, so
it doesn't matter. DeAndre Hopkins at pick 84 just
just seems bad to me. I'm I'm I'm out of the injured
32 year old wide receiver. Business.
I'm pretty sure I got Hopkins at pick 84 like just in May Like
just. Before he.
Was totally healthy, people just weren't into it.
We should on DraftKings drafters, but for some reason
they're way better at like reacting to negative news than
underdog drafters are sometimes, and maybe it's that.
Well, imagine. It's the AEP.
It's, it's the O, dude. It's, it's the big red.
It's the big red O, It's just impossible to click on.
It's too scary. All right, Gran, can we see the
Lord here again? I think we go with Running Dog
again. The mirror Brooks would be my
guys. Chase Brown.
It's a little too early. Little too early.
I like Zamir for the, I think like the team bet on Las Vegas
is like kind of good in this format.
Actually, I think Zamir and Adam's, well, I don't know.
I think we're just kind of like in this type of format where we
don't need like the crazy weekly ceiling.
We're just kind of hoping that, like, Las Vegas isn't like a
shit show, right? Yeah, yeah, they're willing to
like if they, if they're in shootouts, they don't give up.
You know, they're they're sometimes able to punch in
touchdowns with Zamir like that's they're willing.
There's my phones. What do you guys think?
I like Samir. I don't really like Samir, but
it's fine. Does anyone else do?
You just you really just would be surprised how much these like
3 condom teams do well in these formats.
Like it it. It's annoying, but it is true, I
think. I may think.
I think Jonathan Brooks is a terrible pick in this format
actually. I do.
I kind of do. I think Jonathan Brooks might
just be a bad pick. Actually I might.
I might just be. I might just be moving to
Jonathan Brooks being a bad pick.
Where he's going. I'm pretty is that is that is
that anti woke of me? It is.
I mean it like definitionally is, Yeah, I think.
Large, large field stuff. He's he's still pretty good.
He's great, large field stuff. Where are you?
So Corrine, where are you at then?
Just like Panthers structurally, are you just like leaving the
light on for them to be the 21st best offense?
Yeah, I am. OK, OK.
I mean, because Canalis is like, dude, Baker Mayfield was was
like probably worse than Bryce Young was with the Panthers the
the year before he was with Canalis.
He was horrendous when he was with the Panthers.
I think there's, there's something to Canalis.
He's going to be, you know, definitely run first and it's
going to be a conservative offense in certain ways, but I
think it will be functional. Yeah.
I'm not like all in on the Panthers or anything by any.
I just think too it's it's underrated how bad of a hand
Bryce Young was given last year. And I'll let's decide if we're
picking and then I'll. So what do you guys think about
going to receiver like we could do Shaheed or?
Shaheed is is every basketball virgins, you know, shelter in a
storm when they when they've been buried by the avalanche,
Like they just got to convince themselves of some ceiling.
They got the elite onesie. The other move would be to to go
running back and there is still a chosen 1.
No, I think we take a wide receiver.
I think we go. I would throw There, goes Chase
Brown. I would go, I would go Dobbs,
yeah, Dobbs or Wicks. Probably Dobbs though.
Yeah I think Dobbs running consistently with the ones and
Wix getting like 6 snaps with the ones has me leaning Dobbs.
So I, I did, I did, I did. Of course I did some some deep
diving on that because I knew it wasn't representative.
But what I've been reading from Packers training camp and you
best believe, I would imagine I'm more well read on the
Packers. Like I know more about the
Packers like backup safety battle than any other Packers
fan. Cuz I just crane.
I've been watching packers.com video content because it's not
transcribed anywhere. Oh.
My God, dude. Just to see if anything
interesting has been said about Wix dude.
I know it's a bit, but I mean this, you know, ball.
Yeah. Well, and this is what I, this
is what I will say is that that Packers family night is not
representative of what they've been practicing for the last two
weeks. And maybe maybe that is how they
plan on playing in week one. And, and, and Wix really will
run 30% of the snaps or whatever, but I would really bet
against it. I I think, I think that was just
kind of. Who's it come who?
Who's, you know, Pocketer if he's snaps coming out of.
Watson, Watson is going to be who it is because they just
can't trust him to play. You know, he's he's I think
Watson probably is the best out of all of them.
I like really he probably is the best, but you just he's got no
reliability. He he's been so unavailable in
his career in Green Bay. Any any thoughts on the safety
battle from from your Packers guy?
No, but they have a really interesting guy named Keyshawn
Nixon, who it's it's got this very cool story.
He was basically just a kick returner and he's such a good
kick returner. They were like Keyshawn Nixon.
Can you please learn ball? And he's like a starter on
defense now, which is kind of, I mean, it's kind of cool.
That is cool. Yeah.
All right, let me get the other tab up.
So this is where I would just go ahead and do what we need to do.
With Hoomst. I don't know why circling it
feels less likely it does. Yeah, I Karina, I I couldn't
agree more. What about where are you Sam?
Because I mean there's the other option by ADP.
We would be go AD Mitchell, but I've actually been flipping it.
Yeah, Judy would be the other one I'd throw.
I don't, I don't like AD Mitchell.
I think it's it's Judy or go all the way down to Downs for me.
Downs. I think we just get downs, Downs
because you're risking it a little bit by the ADP.
Our next pick is like 127. He's like 131.
So he should be there, but he might not be there and he's just
like such a smash with what we did in the stack.
I'm fine, fine with that. Yeah, I think like it was if if
it was up to me personally, I might try to take the risk.
But yeah, fucking $500 draft let's I I do think he's like the
best player if ADP was efficient.
Yeah. And then if like Mitchell falls
to you, you can take him or you can do other stuff.
Yeah. I would I personally, I
personally would love to have AD Mitchell and a $500 big dog, but
I do no ball. I mean as as evidenced by
watching packers.com videos about Dante V and Wicks earning
trust for Jordan Love in the red zone.
But all these receivers are like the same like down should I can
just like go here? So I'm just like I'm taking them
then if I get ID whatever. I agree with that.
It's just insane how miserable you feel when you don't have 4
wide receivers through 5 picks. It's like it's rough.
It's just crazy. Yeah, it it does kind of suck,
but I honestly think when we go back and we look at this tier of
wide receivers like Josh Palmer, Courtland Sutton, Shahid Dobbs,
Wicks Downs, I think there's going to be some some hits in
here. Like I, I don't agree with it
that like if you're taking wide receivers in this range over
running backs, like you're losing, like I think, I think
there's kind of intriguing wide receivers in this range.
Yeah, there's some intriguing guys and like the fact that you
can correlate with like Richardson Downs or you can go
Allen and get Samuel and Shakur, you know, whatever.
There's there's ways to like, you know, compound that win by
stacking. So I think that like builds like
this, you're just like, I really need to be right about Anthony
Richardson and he needs to bring along Josh Downs too.
That's but I mean, I think it's a smart way to do it like you're
the the most comfy way is to not need Josh Downs at, you know,
pick 114. Yeah.
And this is setting up great to be a Justin Fields team.
Oh. God, that's true.
I. Don't know about that.
All right, so Godder is an ADP faller.
Singletary is like a. Baller, yeah.
One of these two teams is going to take Singletary for sure.
We're. Probably running back or Goddard
here. I would say like the next
receivers are like Mike Williams dots and like get like it's kind
of over. Always, always love my my fifth
year red shirt wide receiver prospect to have to get a an MRI
on their foot in training camp. That's just always, yeah, it's
always, it's always what you want.
Yeah, I'm, I'm actually, I'm kind of a Mike Williams got kind
of Mike Williams guy. I also don't mind Fryermuth
here. Definitely not I'd be Fryermuth.
Definitely not Mike Williams. OK, Schultz is also here.
We have the text. Of Dowdell, Oh, Dowdell, Dowdell
actually would be who I would take, but you know.
I mean, let's live a little, guys.
Yeah, let's live a. Little we have, we have the
running backroom where Dowdell doesn't need to be the starter
right away. Yeah.
Oh no, are we in bye week jail already?
Someone already commented on bye weeks.
What? What?
Bye week jail. Are we?
Oh, we were about, were we about to double up at tight end bye
weeks? No, we weren't.
People just they're so committed to the bye week bro bit.
Oh, we were. We were.
We were about to be in jail at tight end.
At fire and was. OK, OK.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. Shout out shout out to Jared.
Are we done at running back? I think we could.
Tackle. Let's just I.
Think Tackle on the 5th. We could be done if Zamir White
was Chase Brown. We could for sure be done.
But you know, that's fine. Name something best ball
streamers like to say more than we could be done at running.
Back. I was just thinking that I need
best, I need Pete's best ball video to be like, I'm pretty
sure I could be done at running back now if I want to.
If I want to, I could tackle another, but if I want I could
be done. It's like, OK, yeah, definitely.
We're we're we're done at running back, but we all know
you're taking Braylon out in the.
We're taking Braylon out, but we could be done.
Crane, what a heel turn for you on Braylon Allen.
From being like, from being like the biggest Izzy Abanacanda guy
to now being like Braylon Allen. Dude, he's a smash.
Davis, I've done this to you twice.
The heel turn I had, the ultimate heel turn is that not
only do I completely go in on the guy I was out on before, but
then I pick him for ADP Riser game.
Before you think too, I did it with Alan and Chase Brown.
Really unbelievable stuff. Get get knowns.
You're gonna turn heel. You gotta you gotta go full
heel. You gotta go.
You gotta go full bore. That's a good one.
Who's who's your favorite round 18 clique du jour?
Do you like Allen or estimate more?
Like what makes you feel more fun?
I I still like Allen. It's just so you know, just a
clean handcuff supposed to estimate.
It's it's just so clean. Yeah, I agree.
I like estimate just for a little.
I like estimate just for a little bit of the like, it's
then the season, Denver's 4:00 and 12:00 and they just want to
see what they have in younger players.
And Giovante's contract expires after the season.
Like where? Whereas with like, I still think
that estimated odds of winning the job straight up are like
pretty low, but they're like infinitely higher than a banner
than Brayla Allen's. Yeah, no, I agree.
I mean, Alan can't win the job with a healthy.
Breeze. So it's literally impossible.
Yeah, yeah. But he could get goal line
stuff. You could get some goal line
stuff. Yeah, all.
Right. So telling Braylon Allen no.
We talked the fire move thing. We got the bye week issue.
I don't want this to be a. Quarterback team or a three
tight end team. So I think we just can't take
him. Yeah, what else is there at wide
receiver? There's a, there's a wide.
I'm actually going to wait. Yeah.
So the wide receiver I would flow is Pearsall.
Yeah, just for vibe, just vibes based at all.
We, I think we got too. Yeah, this is the IU gets traded
to Cleveland for Mari. Yeah, we got Kittle.
Yeah, I mean, this this team. Plus like, we need a wide
receiver hit on this team. So Pierce All's kind of a smash.
I'm a little I'm a little worried about our wide.
Receivers, but but honestly, if like Pierce all like I think all
these guys could be big risers. Like if we get to the preseason
and Dobbs is just 80% of the snaps with the with Jordan Love,
he's going to go up around if IU gets traded, Pearsall's going to
go to at least here, probably probably higher, right?
Like I think this could end up looking good.
Buy clothes. Like what are the odds that you
gets traded now? Like it feels like.
Am I crazy to say it feels like 5050 at this point?
It feels like that to me, maybe even a little higher.
I don't know, Maybe I'm just like ruled by the internet's
hype, but. Like every account, every
account on Twitter. Who like knows someone who knows
someone around an NFL team is tweeting that Iuke is getting
traded to the Steelers? Well, like Daniel Raz this
morning shared, it was like, I forget who it was.
It was some beat reporter was like, I've been basically.
Yeah, Matt, Matt Mayoca said. I've stated for a while that I
don't see any scenario in which the 49ers would trade him.
Now I believe it's a legitimate option in a lot of ways for the
40. Niners for like a billion years.
You're around me forever. I mean, that's that's pretty
meaningful when people who are like, yeah, said this was a
definite no. And now I don't think that
something changed. Yeah.
Also, Royce Freeman went to the injury tent today so not to not
to. Hate on Tucker Tucker Kraft off
the PUP list. That's like low key, low key.
This is a big Tucker Kraft show, so.
Not great for Musgrave. Could could be bad for WEX too.
It's bad for the wide receivers if they're.
Yeah, we don't want 12. Green I just Green Bay like four
weeks, one through 5. Everyone's going to freak out.
Like why don't we draft all these guys so high?
Like no one's emerging. And then like that's.
So in the playoffs, they're going to some of them, like one
of them is going to win you the league.
That's how it's going to play out.
I don't know what's going to be, but that's what's going to
happen. They don't know what's going to
be. Yeah, No, they don't.
All right, let's get back to the draft here.
I mean, I know you guys hate, hate Datsun, but just with this
wide receiver room, he's yeah, he's gone.
OK? It doesn't matter.
There's a much better correlated pick for us to make.
Yeah, Deshawn. No.
Well, yeah, but a shorter, fiftier former Nebraska running
back. Elite targets per Outrun No.
Yeah, I don't know. The are are you not woke enough
to have the schedule memorized? We could take if.
We don't get Deshawn. I think we're going to get boxed
out of like a good. Well, we could take Kirk with
Bijan and we could then take Deshawn with.
I I I like Kirk. I like Kirk.
I like do we want to deshawn amari correlation a little?
Better, let's do, Let's do Deshawn.
Yeah, we could also try to push
it and who you want to. Delete it.
Is this bye week hell if we do this?
No, it's not. No, OK.
Oops. Oh, I fucked it up.
Oh shit. That's fine, That's fine.
That's. Actually.
I went to go look what the bye week was and I clicked the star.
Oh my God. Guys.
Hawkinson. Hawkinson.
That's so funny. Oh fuck, Ogenson will be back by
week nine and I like him with elite tight end anyway.
Yeah, that that that. No, that could have been bad.
That could have been. Like that could have been so
bad. That could have been terrible,
but it is so shout out I. Literally like almost passed out
there. I was like my flight flashed
before my eyes trying to click that star again.
I didn't get it. I didn't.
No. Here's why.
This is really smart. I was circling.
I think that's my key circle. Man, I think that's guys in the
queue. Totally fine pick.
So 10:00 and 12:00, yeah, we're good.
Maybe put Justin Fields in the queue just to kind of monitor.
I don't think he needs after what I just did.
He doesn't need to be in the queue.
The queue needs to be 15. I mean, honestly now, honestly
now that we've passed round thirteen, I think we are firmly
in the field zone for my risk tolerance personally, but I get.
It I just don't. I don't really get.
I like drafting fields now I think in this format like.
I don't talk, it's actually on this.
Team Justin Fields already went. Let's go.
Thank God. OK, here's the deal.
Here's the deal, Sam. When it's easier to advance, you
actually should be embracing more variants.
You actually should be like if it's if it's you don't have to
have Puka and Kyron and George Pickens 60 burger and Amari 60
burger to advance. You actually should be like
doing weirder shit. You should.
You should have weirder combos. No, you winning your league
becomes more important because there's like less.
You don't need to hit the nuts late season.
So just like getting to the dance makes more of an impact.
I think we're both kind of saying the same thing.
I think what, what David's saying is that it's easier to
advance in 15 and 16. So I can see an argument for
that of like. But I, I still think I saw with
Crane that I think Justin Fields is like a large I, I keep.
I feel like I've said this five times, but he's a large field
play to me. I think we got to go Deshaun
here. Right.
Look at that. I mean, Deshaun Watson false was
like that's. Why you push?
That's why you push quarterback. So like should I click here to
check his bye week? Yeah, that's the bye week
button. He's he's bye week 10.
Yeah, we're good. I like.
I like that a lot. That worked out pretty well.
Guys, I just think that that Deshawn Amari ceiling is is
really fun when he when Deshawn goes that late.
All right, we got AI got to tell a story about about baby and
this is this is a pack that we made on chip chasing.
We got to talk about our our daughters when we draft Deshawn
Watson. What you got?
Well, she loves when I pretend to drop her.
So I, I get her like this and then I like go this and but I,
but I like look, I'm we're like looking each other in the eyes
and I go like, like I, I actually tried.
She loves it. She cracks up.
She thinks it's the funniest shit ever.
And then she like kind of kicks legs if I don't, if I don't do
it for us to like kick her legs to make me do it again.
That's awesome. Yeah.
That's pretty good. My niece would hate that.
She's so she she's not about the roughhouse life.
The nephews would be into it, the nephews would be into it.
But she would be like, no, I'm out.
No chance. A bench press her.
We were taking Christmas family pictures and I was like, come
here. And she was shouldering her
shoulder, pressing her over my head.
She was like, absolutely not. This is the worst thing that's
ever happened to me. Do you guys want to do a third
quarterback or a third tight end or are we just done?
I think we're good at quarterback.
Yeah, tight, I'd consider like eighteenth round tight end.
I think quarterback I'm pretty good with being done.
Yeah, I think an 18th round tight end is totally fine.
We could. We also don't have like any
other stacks set up. So there's no, I mean like
literally like other stack is like Aiden O'Connell or
something. Our running backs don't have
that, Yeah. We probably need like I think to
wide receivers in the next three rounds is probably smart just
given given that we got off to a slow start like we we don't want
to be getting into the total 0 as a wide receiver, I don't
think which maybe we already are, but.
There are no total zeros here. So receivers that you guys like
here, I would also know Antonio Gibson autric estimate that
running back Jonnu Smith's also here which.
Is yeah, these wide receivers, once Wandale goes and Mims goes.
Pretty gross, yeah. Honestly, I'd be fine with with
Jonnu. No, I think we take.
I think we take estimate. Estimate OK.
Or Gibson. I like Gibson.
The the beats. I, I, it doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter. They're both kind of the same.
The Beats The Beats seem to be optimistic about Gibson
basically being who exactly who Antonio Gibson has been just on
the Patriots. And you get the contingent back.
Yeah, I I like Gibson, but. We're yeah, I'd probably, I'd
probably lean, lean Gibson, but. Do you have, do you have a wide
receiver that you really like here or not?
No, no. OK, Really feels like one of the
craziest things in fantasy football to me, that DeMarcus
Robinson and DJ Shark are now like, people are like coveting
them. People are like, oh man.
Dude, Jordan Whittington is making noise like Robinson might
lose that job over the course of the year.
I think it's it's it's Jover before it, but started, you
know, like second, the 2nd that that Jordan Rodrigue starts
writing about how much Jordan Whittington is relishing loving
run blocking. It's done.
It's over, Yeah. Over for DeMarcus Robinson.
There's no if, if DeMarcus Robinson is going to go out
there or if Whittington's going to go out there and be Gabe
Davis. Like it's, it's done, it's over.
I I took Jordan Whittington on my bulldog, the $75 single
entry. I mean, I don't mind that at
all. I've taken Jordan Whittington
with Stafford. I think it was probably like a
slow puppy or something, but I've done it.
I think it's totally fine. The Rams do not love DeMarcus
Robinson see people just they invent these narratives like oh
the Rams love DeMarcus Robin. He's making like no money and he
played better than Tutu out well like congratulations to him.
Yeah, I mean he he surprised expectations down the the
stretch think they they appreciate his run blocking,
they use him around the goal line.
They don't like dislike him, but I don't If a rookie wide
receiver starts making noise like they're DeMarcus Robinson,
it's not going to. I just feel like people somehow
mind wipe themselves from the fact that he played for six
years with Mahomes and a year with Lamar and a year with
Stafford and they only ever realized he was a real player
six weeks ago. Like, it's just like what?
This is like how Courage thought Rico Dowdell was a second year
player. He's been in the NFL since 2019.
Yeah. But he wasn't playing with, he
wasn't Mahomes. His #1 receiver.
Dude, come be some slack. You know what I think Zach Meyer
is right. It's it's about it's, it's
because people are so spooked from the from the puka Kyra and
stuff. They're like anyone that's
anyone on the ramp. I got to draft Davis Allen to
Sean McVay. Likes him.
Whittington would be the puka, yeah.
It's just strange to me. It is strange the the shark
stuff. I mean, look, we we did that on
the show last week. We don't have to get into it,
but that's. Damn, I apologize for what's
about to happen because we need a receiver here, right?
Yeah. I was thinking one of the the
Giants guys there's. One, the Giants guys will be
there with our next pick. There's one man for the job
here. Yeah, I mean, I think, you know
the other thing with the big dog, you, you got to get your
guys. You know, you can't just sit
around and wait for for dudes to come to you.
There's a there's a receiver you think perfectly fits the team,
then you should just probably grab them.
What? Someone might call them
cromulent. So you got a search form.
You got a search form. Oh, he's only.
You know what? He's only 12 picks ahead of 80.
Picks. I was going to say like the we
have now the Fonzie. Fonzie has his skis on.
You know, like you can't get Greg Dorks the 18th round.
Anymore, Sam, how much do you hate this?
Are you all right with I? Would like do Luke McCaffrey
over him but. Yeah.
Live a little. I hate this so much.
I apologize ahead of time. Anytime you can take like a 5
foot six like career 14% targets for outrun player you just you
got. It he just went after Andre
Yoshi, Vas and Troy Franklin. That's the economy that you were
in right now. I just, there's like 100% chance
that we know what's happening, you know?
Yeah. Aw, man, full recovery, full
recovery. Every team, you know, you're
allowed to have more dead roster spots in these types of formats,
so that's OK. I mean, he's a starter man.
This dude is a starting receiver, isn't Luke.
McCaffrey and is Greg I. Don't know.
I actually don't know for sure. I think he is, but also Luke
McCaffrey is a converted quarterback.
Like I is he anything? This dude, George, I mean, I
know OK the numbers I don't. Think George just like I, I just
feel like we like memory hold him into this like amazing
target earner, like I don't know.
I don't listen, man. No, it's not a memory hole.
It's just he is an amazing target earner when he's on the
field, but he just doesn't get on.
He just doesn't get on the. No, like targets for Outrun
literally accounts for when you're on the field.
And like, he's not. I don't.
Want to hear it I don't want. To hear it, I really don't.
But Sam, shut up. I'm workshopping this argument
that I don't believe in at all, but.
Yeah, man. Yeah, Dorch was standing right
next to Kyler in their team photo.
What more do I have to say? I mean.
You could say a few more things if you.
Wanted I, I mean, I think, I just think it's pretty obvious
he's the starting slot wide receiver for like the 11th best
passing offense in the NFL, Probably a lot better of a
passing offense than the Washington Commanders.
The weird so like, I mean, I think Davis, as we've
established, you know, ball like to me, Dorch is a a, you know,
ball guy where like I'm I just like having seen him out there.
Like I just don't believe that these numbers can be real.
Like I don't know if it's like I I haven't done the subset of the
games where he started. That's the thing.
It feels to me like he gets he's running empty routes when he's
not starting or something. As long as it starts Robin.
Robin Wilson seems OK. What about Juwan Johnson?
I was. Going to say that I was going to
say Juwan. Get that third tight end taken
care of that we talked about. Yeah.
Yeah, OK. Do what you want.
So the the thing Crane that you're correct correctly
pointing out is that it's hard to parse out games for like
George came in as the starter. George came in because there
were like someone got injured in the game, like all that stuff.
It's all it's all hard to parse out, but if you just do like the
very basic stuff of just sorting by games where he's played over
65% of the snaps, he averages like over like 11 1/2 PPR points
per game in those. Yeah, I'm trying to find Greg
Dorch's highest PPR finish ever right now.
Is it 11.75? No, it's probably like, I bet
it, I bet it's probably like 17.3 or something.
It's actually so he had 22 and 19 and 2022 also 17 and 16.
So you guys definitely are right that there's something to him
having like a target ceiling even though the per round stuff
show him. I think it's cuz like he but I
guess there's. Yeah, but those are those are
those were dog shit Cardinals wide receivers.
Like absolute garbage out there with them.
Like, come on, Rondale Moore is like playing with the 4th.
He's not even catching facets from Michael Pennix in the
Falcons camp. Dude, he's you want to talk
about. You want to talk?
About. That's a funny way to put.
It it literally like he's literally they they the the
athletic was like, yeah, so kind of the first team in the second
team practice on a higher field and then everyone else goes down
to a literal lower field. You're literally beneath
everyone else, and they're like, yeah, Rondell's walking down to
the backup field. Oh, man, oh man.
All right, all right, let's go. Let's figure out our last pick
here. Couple names that threw out
Odell for the Cleveland, Miami stuff all.
Right veto. Don't have to type that one in.
Go ahead. Darius Darius Slayton for the
Colts stuff. Slayton.
I don't love it. He's now, I mean.
How about? Hyatt again.
He's already Hyatt's gone. Ray.
Ray McLeod, I guess. Absolutely not.
What about Roman? Wilson, Roman Wilson, just as a
bet on him. He's a little Steelers.
He's right now. Oh yeah, Oh yeah, I didn't
realize he was still going to be here.
I think he's the best. Like he doesn't get sniped.
I I don't mind the Slayton pick though.
Yeah, Slayton's probably. Better, I mean, I was just
thinking that like I I think Tillman in correlation is still.
Tillman. Tillman, Alec Pierce, you guys,
you guys. Elijah, is Elijah Moore still
there? I'm.
Not recovered from his concussion yet.
I think we, I think Cedric Tillman over Roman Wilson is
just like. What about Slate and versus
Wilson I'd. Probably go Roman Wilson if you
guys are good with that. Sure.
OK. Yeah, just see, I mean, like, I
don't, I'm not really into Roman Wilson as a prospect or
whatever, but at some point like round wait, early round 3 rookie
in the 18th round, just like don't, I don't want to overthink
it that much. We also kind of played like we
kind of got the there's a win in here with the IU trade.
Either we got eighteenth round Roman Wilson, or we got Kittle
and Piersol. Yeah.
So no matter what the the IU trade's going to work out.
Ship it all right, I mean, that wasn't our best team, but also
is not our work. It's just it's it is so crazy
when you do that double elite onesie, how thin you get it.
Wide receiver, you're just like, shit, man.
I got nothing. I think we dug out really well
though. I mean Dobbs is like.
Clear. Starter downs is a good player
correlated pure Sol could be a huge hit with the IU trade.
Pure Sol is pure Sol is at least a sexy 0, whereas Roman Wilson
is an ugly 0. So right, It's just like so.
We we took both. We took both actually.
That was probably bad. Wilson and and pure Sol probably
are like in this like weird matrix of time we're living in
are probably negatively. Correlated.
No, they are negatively correlated.
But we got such a cheap price on Wilson.
It's almost. It's like.
It's like so either way, we win. Either way, we win.
And it's a format where you just got it, you know, you got to get
through smaller pots. It's not like the Mastiff where
you're just trying to like advance no matter what, but it's
still. Right.
Yeah, yeah. I think like also three wide
receivers through seven or whatever isn't great, but
there's a difference when you do it and you get 3 wide receivers
in the first four rounds versus if you get like one in three,
one in six and one in seven, like you're really screwed
there. You got Devante Adams, Stephane
Diggs and Amari Cooper. If those guys, if those guys
hit, we should be, should be all right.
All right, here. I'll check out the team here.
So we got Anthony Richardson, Shawn Watson, Bijan Robinson,
James Connor, Zamir White, Rico Dowdell, Antonio Gibson, Damonte
Adams, Stefan Diggs, Mari Cooper, Romeo Dobbs, Josh Downs,
Ricky Pearstall. Yeah.
That's why. The Steven Rolf, Greg Dorch,
though, and Roman Wilson. That let me tell you, that room
needed a Xavier Legette. We we, we needed.
We needed like we needed. Yeah, Ricky Pearsall is
hopefully Ricky. Pearsall is hopefully the
legette, yeah, with how you gets traded.
And if he doesn't get traded, Broman Wilson, George Kittle to
Jackets and Juan Johnson. Thoughts.
Thoughts guys? I I actually, I like it quite a
bit. Obviously wide receiver is a
little thinner than would want to play it, but yeah, if I could
take one thing back, I think we pass on Richardson, we grab like
Keenan, yeah, Keenan or whoever, and then we get CJ Stroud in
like the 70s. But yeah, I still like it.
The team it, it looks better with AB Mitchell and Downs.
You know what I mean? Like it just if it if it worked
out, yeah. Yeah, but I like taking downs
1st and then you play to get Mitchell I hate.
No I I agree because this theoretically should be a more
plugged in room that knows about a Mitchell being behind Alec
Pierce right now. Like even though that's not the
way that ADP has. Its Downs was not coming back to
us in this room. There's no chance.
Yeah, I think you're right. Yeah, a bunch of people who
subscribe to ceiling signals and know about the the Chris Ballard
quotes about Downs. Yeah, the TJ Hawkinson pick was
really the the genius pick. Yeah, I mean, you know, I think
it really ties the room together.
I was just pure in confidence. But hey, sometimes.
Sometimes pure incompetence is what you need to succeed A.
Lot of a. Lot of American history proves
that. Pure in confidence, that's going
to be the my separating factor in this in this tournament.
It's going to be the name of my premium sub stack after this
wins. All right, guys, that was fun in
terms of ADP chasing stuff. We will be back next Monday.
I'm actually going to be out and I think tentatively Gretch is
stepping in with the two of you guys, so.
But also but also maybe not so it might.
Yeah, but also maybe not. He gave, he gave, he gave me
like the most confusing like maybe I'll I'll do it answer,
but we'll see on that one. Then we have Rotopat the week
after that. So look forward to that one.
That should be a lot of fun. I don't even know what he's
going to think about this program.
Like if you showed him that Colts infographic.
I don't know. We we had him on last year and
he was great. But yeah, it's it's always good.
I really like and we should have done more this last year or this
year. Like getting people who are not
like fully best ball brained, like getting their opinions is
actually like very refreshing and helps like you come up to,
you know, out of the water to breathe a little bit.
So it it's going to be really good to get his takes.
He actually called the the Cooper Cup target Cliff last
year very accurately. So we'll see if he's got he did.
Yeah, he called that one. But anyways, that's all.
We'll do we. Are we not doing risers?
What do you mean? Our game are.
You are you doing the literal? The literal game?
What? Do you?
I thought you meant like doing risers.
Like, like we haven't done it yet.
Like ADP risers. Yeah, let's, let's do our game.
I I need to come up with? OK, I'll go first, Justin
Fields. Damn it.
Justin Fields I'll take Justin Fields as an ADP riser.
That's. My move that.
That one's good. This'll so obviously I'm
cheating a little bit, but how high do you think he how high do
you think he actually gets? I I think without a definitive
thing one way or the other, he gets up to like Kurt Cousins
ish. And if they say he's starting
the QB, eight people from the big board.
Are going to get there if he's going to be undraftable.
If the QB, eight people from the big board get there, I'm
actually just retiring. From I was going to say that
might be enough for me to just do something else because
anything that's that provably wrong to get there, I might be
like, you know what, man, maybe I would be a good insurance
salesman. Even I was out on that, you
know, that was, that was outrageous.
That was absurd, Oh my. God, I just put Justin Fields in
another slow puppy right now as I'm talking to you guys.
All right, I got one. I'm I'm swinging for upside on
these picks this year. Not playing it safe.
Give me, give me Ricky Pierce, all Brandon.
I damn it, that's a great one. Brandon I you gets created.
He goes in the late 90s. You guys are just picking the I
shouldn't have brought this up. I gave you 2.
I just would have. I just would have won by you not
picking good picks. Yeah, and I don't.
I didn't really have one. So let me give me a SEC, all
right. I'll say I I'll give you one if
you don't have one. I'll go Cooper Cup.
Oh, that's a good one.
Just just to trigger me. Off this off this puka week to
week stuff we maybe we see cup up in the mid second by the end.
I like that. I think that's going to happen.
Who was your other? Now I'm curious.
Rico Dowdell once, once all all this stuff coming out about him
looking good at camp and. Royce Freeman's injured.
That is a good one. Royce Freeman.
Yeah, Dowdell Dowdell seems like a good one.
Nice. All right, yeah, Closing the
show out, Davis. Anything you want to tell the
people about? Yeah, big stream tomorrow.
All the BBM winners are coming on.
Herzig, Liam Pat Farid Pretty sick, honestly, that it worked
out. I I really thought I was like, I
was just like, someone's not going to be available or like
something. But it was, it was very cool.
So I'm, I'm pretty, pretty hyped for that.
Grant anything you want to tell people about on like Opera
otherwise. Yeah, Article came out this
morning that I wrote on the running backs available around
seven through 10. And I'm going to be.
So I, I wrote up like a little intro and then just the running
back profiles in round seven. I did a piece like a month or so
ago looking at the early round running backs, looking at like 3
questions to ask about that range of the draft.
And I did a similar approach in this article.
I changed the questions though. So the questions were, let's
see, our new questions were is this is the projectable volume
historically underpriced? How strong is the talent based
range of outcomes and is there additional contingent value?
So I evaluated all the running backs in around 7 through that
framework, looking at their advanced stats and just kind of
talking to the situations that's out right now.
First couple guys are above the paywall and then I'm going to
have round eight tomorrow around 9:00 on Wednesday, round 10 plus
probably the the Cowboys backfield as well, because I got
to talk about that out on Thursday.
And then Daniel Razz is going to have an article on this part of
the draft, whether it's truly a running back Oasis or if it's a
running back Mirage that'll be out Friday.
Awesome, that sounds really interesting.
Looking forward to checking that out.
Sorry to cut you off. Did you have something else
there, Pat? I was also going to note that
anyone who's not in the Discord and if you're using the
Sidekick, hop in. We do have the beta going on.
You can test out the custom ranks, which I think we're
getting pretty close to just launching as a feature on the
Sidekick. And then we're pretty close to
where DraftKings is going to be part of that beta test as well.
So like I think we're pretty close on that, but hopefully
sometime this week. That's good news to me.
That's all I can do right now up here in Maine is draft
draftking, so we'll definitely have to check that out.
Anyways, fun stuff, guys. Check out Davis's streams, check
out Leg Up. We will be back next week.
Peace.