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Tonight on Ship Chasing, we have
Fantasy lives. 

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Chris Allen joining us to talk 
about whether does wind matter? 

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Can you bake it into your best 
ball drafting processes? 

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We're gonna find out tonight and
then naturally, we are gonna. 

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Hop in a best ball mania draft. 
Let's do it. 

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Pat Fryer homo this. 
Is why This is why I'm hot. 

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Anita hand job. 
Fix your side, Jamar. 

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And also play chase. 
You can't handle the heat. 

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It looks like we're finally at 
this point. 

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You're right, Chris. 
Allen, welcome to the show. 

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We got Kerrain back from 
vacation. 

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We got Gretch Rock and his 
Chasing Kerrain shirt and None 

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Other than Fantasy Life's Chris 
Allen joining us. 

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How you doing tonight, Chris? 
I'm doing well man, like we were

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talking before we got recording.
Just been enjoying the summer, 

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trying to touch grass as often 
as I possibly can, running 

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around with these kids. 
So in between getting some 

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articles out, doing some shows, 
I was actually doing a show. 

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I did a show yesterday with 
Marcus Grant, got a show like a 

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queued up with Ian Hardits 
tomorrow. 

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So in between like content, day 
job, kids, I mean it's just been

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a hectic summer for sure. 
But now I'm, I'm, I'm excited to

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like join you guys. 
I've been fans of like all you 

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guys for years. 
So being on the show and 

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guesting with you guys, man, 
it's a it's a huge thing for me.

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So no, I appreciate it. 
And you mentioned being busy 

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drafting season. 
You know, Underdog is now 

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officially trying to tear us 
apart by offering both a Yeah 

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Puppy contest and a Fast Puppy 
contest. 

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I mean, which side of this great
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Uh, fast. 
For me it has been like nothing 

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but fast. 
I I'm, I definitely drinking 

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that. 
Ian Hart is kool-aid saying, you

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know like the slow is 
unamerican. 

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Uh. 
But I've just. 

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I preferred that because. 
I don't know if it's all 

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anecdotal, right? 
It's knowing that, you know, 

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there's always a decent chance 
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two picks that are going to be 
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When you do it that way, folks 
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they wind up missing the clock 
and all that jazz. 

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But for the most part, it's just
easier for me to cram all of my 

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stuff into like 45 minutes and 
like build a team and figure out

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what strategy I got and go from 
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Yeah, I. 
Mean I did. 

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Get no 50 puppies done, Chris. 
I don't see it happening for me.

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I think I'm team slow on this 
puppy thing. 

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Fair enough. 
Yeah, fair enough. 

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I did not know about these 
puppies cuz I don't. 

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I don't check the underdog lobby
a ton. 

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I fly out tomorrow to the last 
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I've had since my kids got out 
of school out of state. 

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I'm gonna get to do fat. 
I'm going to a bachelor party. 

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I'm gonna be doing fast puppies 
drunk. 

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I'm gonna be doing slow. 
I'm gonna or get in so many 

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fucking slow puppies is gonna 
come. 

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You guys just made my fucking 
deck. 

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Gretch is gonna great. 
He like going out for a nightcaf

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and Gretch be like, yeah a 
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for the evening and then he's 
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Under his covers, tabling 5 
puppies. 

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Oh fuck yeah. 
Here's a question for you guys 

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and the chat because I do know a
lot of people are completus with

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these contests like they want to
Max enter it. 

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Obviously Max entering the slow 
is much more doable. 

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If you want to do it you can Max
enter it would if you had 150 

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bolts. 
Do you think some people might 

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do like 7575? 
I'm thinking of like the OCD 

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completus type because doing all
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I didn't do any poodles for this
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I was like, I can't Max it. 
I don't have time. 

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I'm not gonna put. 
I'm not gonna do any poodles. 

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OK, I didn't do any poodles 
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Chris, how many do you, how many
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going to get? 
To if I could, realistically, I 

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could probably do 20. 
Yeah, 20 seems like a normal, 

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well adjusted amount. 
I have a feeling there's some 

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people in the chat here who 
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I'm gonna do 20 tomorrow. 
What are you talking? 

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About man, how do you think 
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This slows when you're across 
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That's an interesting question. 
Cuz I got a lot of work to do 

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and when I came back from the 
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done right after that, cuz I was
just like excited to be doing 

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all these drafts at once, even 
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many. 
But Pat and I, we were talking 

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about the three of us in our 
chat, and Pat and I were kind of

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similar on that regard to our 
you're like. 

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Pete's saying you're smart about
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You set some time throughout 
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all your picks. 
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we're just kind of. 
Checking all of our drafts, 

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Billy nilly. 
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Or like, Yeah, like opening. 
I'm opening the app too 

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frequently when I'm doing these 
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Yeah, I'll fire off. 
I was doing a lot of Willy nilly

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picks, but like treating these 
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Draft them, draft them like a 
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famously said. 
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But I I just, I can't get in 
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then also get work done. 
That's the problem. 

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Yeah. 
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had to do it Willy nilly when I 
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doing 150 slows, I did 120 of 
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literally just like in the 
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One day just fired in 120, so 
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point in the draft as well. 
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anyway. 
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like, let them trickle in 
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times when I was like, I just 
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Drafting a lot of the same teams
if you ripped them off, like all

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at the same time. 
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know. 
You think I reviewed these teams

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and so I don't know. 
I did that when I did all my my 

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first group in a bunch. 
I noticed that for sure, Chris. 

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Yeah, like, I just feel like if 
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names, looking at like, have the
same rankings up, and like all 

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that jazz, you just find 
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same. 
Squad. 

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I definitely do that in fast 
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especially if I'm doing 2, I'll 
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grab Richardson on this team, 
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Right back to stacking the 
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It's easy, yeah. 
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in fast drafts. 
Yeah, that makes that makes 1. 

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Of the reasons I don't like 
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I think I lose more EV multi 
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I had just do the double monitor
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can't concentrate on building 
the correlated teams that I like

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to build. 
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structurally I think I'm 
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I kind of forget who I took and 
what I'm trying to do. 

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Yeah, I just pulled up my 
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that I did that. 
It's all I've done so far. 

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And I my top three guys were all
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I was trying to do. 
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Chris, I think I got CLV on all 
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Godwin, Taekwon, Thornton, Jalen
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These were all early. 
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3rd. 
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risen since then. 
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Thornton has. 
He is. 

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Yeah. 
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Good. 
Right before I get in some 

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draft, Godwin for me. 
Yeah. 

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Well, yeah, Thornton, I think 
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Plummeted again. 
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Hopkins, whether that's right or
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but I definitely think he would 
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It'll be interesting to see. 
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shifted to the Titans and saw 
Davis Maddock got a snipe by 

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Dave Kluge on the same tweet, 
throwing up all the other guy 

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wide receivers who finished 
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anyways. 
Be better, Davis the Do you guys

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think that? 
Like trailing Burks? 

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Like if that does happen? 
How do you guys think that's 

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gonna impact stuff from an ADP 
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They all fall like almost all 
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Any love for Chiggy, I would 
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too. 
So outside of. 

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People love Chigg, though. 
Yes, one little low key thing I 

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think that would mean is that 
it's a much more likely Ryan 

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Tannehill season. 
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probably better for. 
Trade with Burks. 

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Right, like if they go get 
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I don't think Hopkins is signing
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a rebuilding. 
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That would be insane for Hopkins
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Malik Willis. 
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Malik Willis might not make the 
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they talked about how Willis was
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I saw that. 
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So like that to me is the 
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If Willis is ahead of look, I 
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don't like Willis, we know that.
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Tannehill. 
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point? 
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sideline, just pissed off Rabel,
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between calves and all that. 
Like you. 

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It's the J Color meme, but real.
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It would be. 
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sit down with the Andre Hopkins 
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the Bills offer you? 
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What did the Titans? 
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and then let's like, play out 
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plane into January live for 
Super Bowl or like an extra 

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million in the bank. 
I don't know, it's like are. 

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You trying to become a player 
consultant? 

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Well and. 
Circling back to when he was 

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before he was released, when he 
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of the events. 
What was it like, the combine 

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and stuff? 
And they were who, I can't 

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remember who interviewed him, 
but they were like. 

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Tell us you know some like you 
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what do you think? 
And he like he couldn't talk 

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about the team because it's 
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But it's like would you like to 
play for the bills And he's kind

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of just like smirking. 
Like yes, I would like very 

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clearly like saying which teams 
he prefers And then he hasn't 

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signed with any of those teams 
And the teams that he's liking 

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are the ones that seemed they 
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on this video that I'm 
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he really wanted to go play for 
a contender like he had video. 

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And so I I to your point Pete, 
I'm really curious what those 

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teams have been able to offer. 
The Bills? 

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The Chiefs? 
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It must be not even close 
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to actually play for a winning 
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Yeah, yeah, that will be 
interesting to see it play out. 

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We got people in the chat are 
fired up for weather talk 

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tonight. 
The weather stuff is all over 

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the map this year. 
I was talking about it with 

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Brian on lulls and people were 
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And then all of a sudden then 
today Pat and I are drafting 

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Cleveland, NY jet stacks and 
everyone's like, aren't you 

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worried about the weather? 
So it seems like. 

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One is all over the map with how
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as it pertains to fantasy. 
This year. 

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Chris, why don't you? 
I? 

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Just like the weather itself. 
Yes, we just don't know. 

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We just don't know, Chris, why 
don't you set the stage for us 

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because I know you've been. 
Working on weather related stuff

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for fantasy for a long time. 
I know you have always been a 

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voice of reason on DFS mornings 
when the there's 17 mile per 

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hour wind gusts and everyone's 
ready to full fade a game here. 

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So talk to us, how did you get 
started in the in the weather 

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business And then we can get to 
what you've been working on 

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lately. 
Not really, just because I'm an 

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engineer by day and I do data 
analysis on a fairly regular 

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basis that now I'm like more 
program management. 

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But I was in a lab for most of 
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years. 
So being able to play with data 

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but also applying it to fantasy 
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And then on top of that when I 
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trying to find like what could 
my niche area be? 

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Right, cuz you know, JJ got the 
late round thing, Reeves got the

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Konami thing. 
I was talking with Harman at the

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time. 
This around like 20. 

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I got the win $2,000,000 thing. 
I mean, that's pretty good niche

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to have. 
I mean that's also also awesome.

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I mean that's like that's Pat's 
like niche thing too. 

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But it's like I wanted to find 
out what could I do that would 

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be different than what everybody
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I mean versus draft strategy and
all that and weather just seemed

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to be one of those things that a
lot of folks have. 

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You know, random thoughts about 
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We have our own biases when it 
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all that because of all the 
extreme games that we've watched

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over how many years, decades of 
watching ball. 

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So trying to challenge those, 
maybe do like a little bit of 

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myth busting and say, yeah, I 
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that big of a deal. 
We should really look at how 

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quarterbacks actually play the 
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saying short passes is going to 
be bad for fantasy. 

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All that stuff. 
To say that that's what kind of 

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put me into this spot and I 
found it really, it's also like,

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honestly kind of fascinating in 
my mind. 

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Yeah, and there's now such. 
I mean, I feel like if you would

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have made this your niche, what 
five years ago, everyone would 

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be like, what dude? 
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legitimately a market. 
There always has been for like 

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DFS Sundays. 
I think people really care about

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that stuff. 
And we've you've seen guys like,

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you know Kevin Roth over at Roto
Grinders or people check in on 

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his weather reports. 
But now with best ball in the 

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way that these prizes are 
structured, that now you release

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a contest like weekly winners 
where you're looking at 

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optimizing for specific. 
Pockets, specific weeks and like

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this weather stuff has a legit 
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You can go look at how totals 
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weather gets colder and you've 
done a lot of cool stuff about 

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wind, but like, where are you at
just in general? 

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Does wind matter? 
Does weather matter? 

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Is this something people should 
be focusing on when they are 

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drafting? 
Not when they're drafting. 

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It's more on a week to week 
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So something like this weekly 
winters thing, I think would be 

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really tuned for something like 
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microcosm of not just the 
players but also the matchups, 

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the locations. 
Because all that stuff does 

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matter when you're factoring in,
especially the wind itself. 

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But also snow before a number of
stadiums that have like heated 

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pipes under the field, so snow 
impact might not be as much. 

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So I've studied, like stadium 
design. 

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I'm probably on like a fucking 
FBI list or something like that,

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looking into which which stadium
is how tall and like what you. 

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Know how many people it. 
Can fit and all of that. 

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So it's got, it's got you can go
down. 

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If the FBI looked into you, they
would not be convinced by the 

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truth. 
Yeah, they'd be like, no, it's a

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fancy football, I swear. 
Like, I'm not trying to do 

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anything like, terrible like 
that. 

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Yeah. 
Like, no, Why the hell would you

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do like no. 
You're going to jail, buddy. 

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Like, just get. 
Just getting. 

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Back at the Can you imagine 
trying? 

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I mean, it's hard enough to 
explain that to people who, 

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like, know what you do in your 
personal life. 

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Yeah, like trying to explain 
that to me, man, That's. 

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Yeah, that just that would be an
abject disaster. 

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But like actually like back to 
the DFS part of things. 

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So this I had, I haven't told 
this story like on air before, 

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but so I was working behind the 
scenes at ETR like last season. 

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I was helping out with their 
research team, so each week. 

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Whenever some weather stuff 
would happen, I would either 

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like in the slack, I would 
message, you know, like Leonie 

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Lev and like all of them be 
like, hey, you know, I I think 

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it's going to be this. 
I don't think it's just going to

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be much bigger, not going to be 
a big of a deal, all of that. 

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Remember that I think week 12, 
week 13, Chicago's playing 

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against The Jets. 
It was projected to be an 

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absolute downpour before the 
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And from a DFS standpoint, if 
the big debate for that week it 

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was going to be, should you 
roster Treylon Burks or Garrett 

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Wilson. 
Because from a price standpoint 

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it was going to, they were 
relatively the same target share

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was going to be relatively the 
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But if you weigh those two 
situations and just try and 

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break ties in favor of weather 
trail on burst was was the call.

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And of course I'm sitting there 
talking in the slack. 

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I'm telling Leonie, I'm telling.
I'm telling lab, I was like, 

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yeah, guys, like just looking at
the forecast, it's going to be 

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an absolute downpour. 
You guys remember that San 

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Francisco game for the San 
Francisco Indianapolis game from

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a season ago, Even like when San
Francisco played Washington back

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in 2020, Week seven, week 9, all
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And we saw the totals dropping 
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So most of them made the switch.
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quarter, Garrett Wilson catches 
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into a 50 yard touchdown. 
They got like 2 touchdowns on us

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in the first half. 
I'm, I'm sweating the whole 

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time. 
I'm waiting for Silva to call me

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up. 
I'm waiting for Silva to call me

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up like, yo, Chris. 
What happened man? 

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What happened, bro? 
That's what meteorologist. 

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Yeah, I thought you knew what 
you were talking about. 

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I was. 
That's what I was waiting for. 

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I was like, I can sit there. 
It's like that. 

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It's like the Denny Carter, like
you know, the screaming, the 

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process. 
Like me, like that's. 

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That's what I was doing. 
Just like the. 

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Whole. 
And Silva stuffed you in a 

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locker. 
The process? 

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Yeah, yeah. 
Right. 

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Bad. 
That is, that is. 

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I mean that that's tout life, 
right? 

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You know it is. 
Then you get to explain 

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probabilities to everyone, 
multiple people. 

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Remembering this people here 
wants you to define what a 

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monsoon are. 
You said people in the fantasy 

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space describing any heavy rain 
as a monsoon has been driving me

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crazy for you. 
Do we have do we have an 

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official fantasy meteorology 
definition of monsoon? 

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That that's a hell of a question
right there. 

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Because yeah, I do want to set 
that straight because. 

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People do say that like they say
like torrential downpour and 

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monsoon and and all of that 
stuff. 

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When 90, I would say 90% of the 
time it. 

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I think I've recorded three 
games total where it actually 

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has turned into a situation 
where password over expectation,

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total plays run. 
All the stuff for Fantasy has 

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actually been affected and that 
Jets game was affected. 

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It just didn't happen until the 
second-half but. 

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I use Weather Underground is a 
site that I use because they 

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actually track precipitation 
rate in inches per hour and 

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typically light to normal rain 
is between .01 and .03 inches 

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per hour. 
That's about like you don't even

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see it if you're watching it on 
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Once you get past that into .03 
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the stuff you can start to see. 
You see it like on the players 

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helmets. 
You can kind of see it just from

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the normal view, like the camera
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That's what you can typically 
see. 

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But normally that doesn't affect
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so .1 inches per hour, that's 
the. 

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Chicago verse San Francisco. 
Yeah, Chicago verse San 

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Francisco game from week one of 
last year. 

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That's what they played in week 
one, right? 

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Trey, Lance. 
Yep, Yeah, the Trey Lance we do 

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call Avadsu. 
He played it Avadsu. 

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That one was that one was 
legitimately, legitimately a 

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monsoon. 
The San Francisco, Washington 

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game from 2020. 
Like I said, week seven, week 

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9:00. 
Somewhere in there, legitimately

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like a month I. 
Remember that. 

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Game. 
Yeah. 

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And also the San Francisco 
versus. 

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The San Francisco teams seem to 
happen them a lot versus. 

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The Annapolis from 2021, I think
that was week 7 sometime in 

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October. 
Like those games where you can 

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the your visibility to the field
is affected and you can see 

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teams actually calling more run 
plays. 

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Password over expectation is 
affected. 

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That's a monsoon. 
That's what we should actually 

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care about for fantasy purposes.
The rest of the stuff. 

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When people start calling for 
you, has a torrential downpour 

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and all that. 
Unless they're actually looking 

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at the forecast and looking at 
what the precipitation rate is 

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going to be for that matchup, 
which is something that I do 

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because I have scripts that pull
all that stuff on a daily basis,

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especially leading up to game 
day. 

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That's I took like once I see 
folks like tweeting about that, 

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it's like, yeah, that that's 
probably not happening because 

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it's just, it's just a rare 
event, honestly, yeah. 

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What about? 
So one of the things I think 

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super cool about the wind 
research you've been doing and 

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I'll pull it up here, you've 
been looking specifically at 

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Qb's and how they perform, you 
know in various like wind 

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scenarios, which ones are 
unaffected, which ones are 

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impacted by the wind. 
I was cracking up seeing Zach 

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will sit being mostly impacted 
by the wind that just seems, 

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yeah, that was. 
But yeah, that that one really 

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felt well. 
Also see, you can see Patrick 

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Mahomes on that very same table,
but I think. 

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This the so that table honestly 
and breaking it down by each 

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particular quarterback, that's 
what we really should be doing 

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for this type of analysis 
because if you look at that 

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table, you see Zach Wilson, 
Patch Mahomes, Taylor Heineke, 

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the hell those guys drew Lock. 
Like why? 

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Why do they belong on the same 
list? 

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The numbers bear it out that if 
you compare them to their 

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baseline password over 
expectations. 

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So baseline being if there was 
no wind. 

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If they happen to be playing in 
a Dome, but then compare that to

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the times when they were playing
in a Dome, these guys passing 

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over expectation drop total 
plays are dropping. 

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Their completion percentage over
expected for the most part is 

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falling. 
Except for, of course, as you 

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see on the table, not Mahomes. 
But when you see a number of 

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these quarterbacks significantly
affected by weather, you can see

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you can pull out profiles of a 
lot of them. 

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They're mostly pocket passers. 
They're dudes that they're not 

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running. 
They have no, they no scrambling

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or rushing component to their 
game. 

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So of course they're going to be
affected by fantasy if they're 

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running fewer plays, if their 
accuracy is dropping and their 

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pass rate is dropping. 
So all that analysis that when 

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it comes to the weather, a lot 
of it comes out in the wash of 

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saying that if we were to just 
analyze the quarterback and say 

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that, well, we figured Kirk 
Cousins isn't going to be much 

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for rusher anyway. 
So if they're not passing much, 

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then of course, yeah, he's 
probably going to have a bad 

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game. 
But for a guy like Patrick 

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Mahomes, the reason for their 
password or expectation? 

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Dropping in the three or four 
games that I that I charted for 

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him, playing in games that were 
20 miles an hour or more, 

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they're all blowouts. 3 or the 
four were blowouts. 

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00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:23,080
Like there was like 48 to three 
against Oakland two years ago, 

452
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,120
38 to 9 against Oakland the year
beforehand. 

453
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,320
That's why it wasn't because the
wind so back. 

454
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:30,760
They're beating the shit out of 
the Chiefs. 

455
00:21:31,140 --> 00:21:34,020
So, so a lot of it does. 
Like we walk into these 

456
00:21:34,020 --> 00:21:36,580
situations thinking that it's 
going to be the weather, it's 

457
00:21:36,580 --> 00:21:38,940
going to be the weather, It's 
always going to be, you know, 

458
00:21:38,940 --> 00:21:42,500
the the reason why we wind up 
losing is because the wind is 

459
00:21:42,500 --> 00:21:45,900
going to be so high when a lot 
of it just becomes matchup 

460
00:21:45,900 --> 00:21:48,620
analysis, things that we should 
have been doing in the 1st 

461
00:21:48,620 --> 00:21:52,340
place. 
So if we apply more of that 

462
00:21:52,420 --> 00:21:55,900
before we say, Oh yeah, there's 
a 20 mile per hour wind and 

463
00:21:55,940 --> 00:21:58,980
start freaking out, then I think
a lot of our. 

464
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,200
I guess consternation, anxiety 
about weather, a lot of that 

465
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,160
would just kind of go away. 
That's a great point, cuz 

466
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:10,520
there's a lot of stuff that 
winds up being like, we find one

467
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:14,240
thing to pin stuff on, right? 
And I think one of the bigger 

468
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,840
points that you're making is 
there's so many things that can 

469
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:18,840
explain any of the results that 
we see. 

470
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,680
But often it's like we we limit 
it down to one, you know, 

471
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,440
specific trade or a couple 
specific trades. 

472
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:25,360
I just wanted you threw it in 
there. 

473
00:22:25,360 --> 00:22:28,720
But that's so hilarious that 
Patrick Mahomes in windy games 

474
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,760
somehow has a higher A5 
percentage point, higher 

475
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,560
completion percentage of over 
expecting expected. 

476
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:39,200
I mean, he's just ridiculous. 
Yeah, that's too good. 

477
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,560
Yeah, it's just he's just too 
good and he's, but also you can 

478
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,520
see his average fancy points, 
he's still acting like a QB one.

479
00:22:46,100 --> 00:22:48,340
But that's it's still, it's 
still happening before him. 

480
00:22:48,540 --> 00:22:50,940
And the same thing was for a lot
of the quarterbacks that 

481
00:22:50,940 --> 00:22:54,820
appeared unaffected, Like Josh 
Allen was on the table just 

482
00:22:54,820 --> 00:22:58,860
right above that, still, like, 
rocking like a 2425 fantasy 

483
00:22:58,860 --> 00:23:01,100
points per game average. 
That's even with the what. 

484
00:23:01,100 --> 00:23:04,780
Happened to Andy Dalton here. 
Ah, he was Dude One. .6. 

485
00:23:05,340 --> 00:23:07,220
Did it was? 
What he What are you doing, 

486
00:23:07,340 --> 00:23:08,980
Andy? 
It was. 

487
00:23:08,980 --> 00:23:11,620
It was a tough scene, tough 
scene, tough scene for Andy. 

488
00:23:12,100 --> 00:23:15,300
But another thing like what 
you're talking about a lot is 

489
00:23:15,300 --> 00:23:17,940
making me think of we talk about
psychological biases and the 

490
00:23:17,940 --> 00:23:19,580
ways that we can exploit those 
things. 

491
00:23:19,580 --> 00:23:23,100
The ways that the market over 
plays, certain things. 

492
00:23:23,580 --> 00:23:25,740
We see it in a ton of ways. 
I mean, one of the guys that I'm

493
00:23:25,740 --> 00:23:28,220
starting to see a ton of hype 
around is Cow Pitts, and I'm 

494
00:23:28,340 --> 00:23:30,860
sure everyone watching this show
knows we were talking about him 

495
00:23:30,860 --> 00:23:32,740
a lot last year. 
We're excited about him again 

496
00:23:32,740 --> 00:23:35,460
this year. 
He's starting to generate a 

497
00:23:35,460 --> 00:23:37,660
little buzz. 
So the whole cow pitch Drake 

498
00:23:37,660 --> 00:23:38,780
London think people keep talking
about. 

499
00:23:38,780 --> 00:23:41,180
Well I mean why would why would 
London go ahead of pits It kind 

500
00:23:41,180 --> 00:23:44,020
of have the same Atlanta past 
volume issues. 

501
00:23:44,020 --> 00:23:47,660
Pits if he hits though gives you
tight end production. 

502
00:23:47,940 --> 00:23:50,620
Also he was out targeting London
when they're on the field 

503
00:23:50,620 --> 00:23:52,660
together it makes no sense. 
The only reason he's going 

504
00:23:52,660 --> 00:23:56,020
behind him is because pits was 
universally called the biggest 

505
00:23:56,020 --> 00:23:58,780
Boston fancy football last year.
It's just like a group think 

506
00:23:59,100 --> 00:24:01,300
people don't want to get burned 
by cow pits again. 

507
00:24:01,460 --> 00:24:05,000
We do this in so many ways. 
I don't know. 

508
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,040
I got off on the cops change. 
I don't know where I was going 

509
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,840
with him. 
But not but to you. 

510
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:11,480
Oh. 
I was gonna real quick. 

511
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,800
I was gonna say the monsoon last
year being week one. 

512
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,520
We do this with the early season
stuff everyone's paying 

513
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,880
attention week one and then all.
Did it feel like all season last

514
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,280
year everyone was was kind of 
giving you that like well, I 

515
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,280
mean but it really was bad in 
week one. 

516
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,640
When the Bears in the 9th, it's 
like that one thing sticks in 

517
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,440
their head and you're pointing 
out is very rare event but last 

518
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,660
year was. 
Even rarer that it happened in 

519
00:24:34,660 --> 00:24:37,100
week one and then it kind of, 
you know, defined what people 

520
00:24:37,100 --> 00:24:38,980
expected every week. 
Oh, this is gonna be like 

521
00:24:38,980 --> 00:24:40,740
Chicago and San Francisco from 
Week 1? 

522
00:24:40,740 --> 00:24:42,940
Because it that just sticks in 
the mind, yeah. 

523
00:24:44,500 --> 00:24:45,620
I wanna hit. 
Go. 

524
00:24:46,020 --> 00:24:47,780
Ahead. 
No, no, I was gonna hit a couple

525
00:24:47,780 --> 00:24:49,380
other questions from the chat. 
What were you gonna say? 

526
00:24:49,620 --> 00:24:53,340
I was gonna say to your point 
then about the like the the bias

527
00:24:53,340 --> 00:24:56,260
thing, Pete, can you pull the 
article up real quick and like 

528
00:24:56,260 --> 00:24:58,020
scroll up? 
It's the very first chart, it's 

529
00:24:58,020 --> 00:25:00,770
the older one. 
Because I've seen this one 

530
00:25:00,770 --> 00:25:02,570
quoted. 
I mean it's it's, I mean it's 

531
00:25:02,570 --> 00:25:05,050
from Brian Burke who's like the 
goat of like data analytics. 

532
00:25:05,050 --> 00:25:07,130
So like this is. 
So this is the chart that comes 

533
00:25:07,130 --> 00:25:10,450
from Brian Burke's original 
study from 2012 showing adjusted

534
00:25:10,450 --> 00:25:13,770
yards per attempt by wind speed.
And so I've seen that I've seen 

535
00:25:13,770 --> 00:25:17,930
this chart quoted tweeted like 
pasted into tweet threads like 

536
00:25:17,970 --> 00:25:22,010
over and over and over again and
but like you look at this chart 

537
00:25:22,370 --> 00:25:27,490
you see that line you see how 
quickly it starts to fall off as

538
00:25:27,490 --> 00:25:32,000
it as you get from. 
You know, 5 to 9 mph like on 

539
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,040
down you see that slope and so 
that bias almost immediately 

540
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,800
hits you that oh, if I get past 
20 miles an hour, I mean they're

541
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,560
just, they're just doing dump 
off passes. 

542
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,880
That's it. 
You see that and that's what you

543
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,040
think. 
But now if you Scroll down a 

544
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,320
little bit more because this is 
just averages a little bit more 

545
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,800
past that because I recreated 
the same thing and get the same,

546
00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:52,680
this is the problem that you run
into. 

547
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,520
It's a sampling issue. 
You've only got and once you get

548
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,490
past 20 miles an hour. 
I'm looking at it. 

549
00:25:59,490 --> 00:26:03,050
There are 24 games that have 
been played in the last five 

550
00:26:03,050 --> 00:26:06,770
years that have had wind speeds 
greater than 20 miles an hour, 

551
00:26:06,970 --> 00:26:10,210
24 games, 24. 
Yeah, that's 48 quarterbacks. 

552
00:26:10,530 --> 00:26:13,650
And actually, of those 48 
quarterbacks, I want to say 

553
00:26:14,010 --> 00:26:15,810
seven or eight of them were 
duplicates. 

554
00:26:15,970 --> 00:26:17,970
So really, actually even more 
than that, because I think the 

555
00:26:17,970 --> 00:26:20,330
total list of unique 
quarterbacks comes down to about

556
00:26:20,330 --> 00:26:23,250
28 quarterbacks SO28 
quarterbacks. 

557
00:26:23,570 --> 00:26:25,610
Have played in at least one. 
Were they good? 

558
00:26:25,650 --> 00:26:27,850
Five years. 
Like whether they're good or 

559
00:26:27,850 --> 00:26:29,970
not, is it gonna be a big factor
here? 

560
00:26:30,170 --> 00:26:32,810
Yeah, but that's where you get 
the patch of rahomes down there.

561
00:26:32,810 --> 00:26:35,530
On a few of them you get the 
Andy Dalton really like shitty 

562
00:26:35,530 --> 00:26:37,050
game. 
You get the Kirk Cousins a few 

563
00:26:37,050 --> 00:26:40,250
of those games. 
So it's like if you're sampling 

564
00:26:40,250 --> 00:26:43,370
ish, like if you're sampling 
becomes like so little that 

565
00:26:43,370 --> 00:26:46,570
that's probably the part that's 
part of the problem there. 24 

566
00:26:46,570 --> 00:26:51,050
games works out to exactly a 
week and 1/2 of an NFL season. 

567
00:26:51,700 --> 00:26:53,060
Yeah. 
And we know that a week and 1/2 

568
00:26:53,060 --> 00:26:55,980
of an NFL season is very 
predictive of the rest of the 

569
00:26:55,980 --> 00:26:57,420
year. 
Exactly. 

570
00:26:57,820 --> 00:27:01,260
But we already have looking by 
seeing and retweeting that same 

571
00:27:01,260 --> 00:27:03,620
chart, which there's nothing 
wrong with the chart bright 

572
00:27:03,620 --> 00:27:05,780
like. 
As you can see, Burke had it in 

573
00:27:05,780 --> 00:27:08,380
2012. 
I just recreated it for data 

574
00:27:08,380 --> 00:27:11,740
from the last five years. 
The behavior is correct if you 

575
00:27:11,740 --> 00:27:14,780
do it by looking at averages, 
but then when you look at the 

576
00:27:14,780 --> 00:27:17,940
sampling size, like for that 
average once you get above 20 

577
00:27:17,940 --> 00:27:20,540
miles an hour. 
It's like we cannot when we 

578
00:27:20,540 --> 00:27:24,420
should not just pull just 
conclusions just based off of 

579
00:27:24,420 --> 00:27:26,700
that trend. 
That's why we should be looking 

580
00:27:26,700 --> 00:27:30,860
at Pastor of expectation, CPOE 
total plays run. 

581
00:27:30,860 --> 00:27:34,220
I mean all the other fantasy 
relevant metrics to say that 

582
00:27:34,340 --> 00:27:38,340
this is when, like when from a 
MPH standpoint, that fantasy 

583
00:27:38,340 --> 00:27:39,980
stuff is actually getting 
impacted. 

584
00:27:39,980 --> 00:27:43,660
And besides, shorter passes 
isn't a bad thing, right? 

585
00:27:43,900 --> 00:27:47,420
Patrick Mahomes like his A dot 
has dropped like 2 yards since 

586
00:27:47,420 --> 00:27:49,840
like 2019. 
Joe Burrow had to. 

587
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,360
Joe Burrow had to like their 
explosive pass rate that stopped

588
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,560
after the 2021 season, and they 
found another way to be more 

589
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,120
successful in the intermediate 
parts of the field. 

590
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,320
So short passes isn't a bad 
thing. 

591
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,360
I mean, we know all of these 
players can work in yards after 

592
00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:06,280
the catch. 
So it's like, why do why do we 

593
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,600
assume that because quarterbacks
are are throwing shorter passes 

594
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,400
that they're just going to suck 
for fantasy? 

595
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,640
That's not true. 
And one of the things with the 

596
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,050
with the sampling issue is that.
I feel like actually this is 

597
00:28:17,050 --> 00:28:20,690
something I might be taking from
you through Leone, cuz I 

598
00:28:20,690 --> 00:28:23,210
remember talking to him, we 
talked about our chat that NEPAD

599
00:28:23,210 --> 00:28:26,770
and Pete and we only have, but I
feel like it came up in that and

600
00:28:26,770 --> 00:28:28,050
he was probably quoting you on 
it. 

601
00:28:28,490 --> 00:28:31,970
But basically it's not that the,
you know, the average goes down,

602
00:28:31,970 --> 00:28:34,690
jump up the average, but we like
averages can play tricks on us. 

603
00:28:34,970 --> 00:28:39,610
It's not that we should expect a
reduction of five or 10%, it's 

604
00:28:39,610 --> 00:28:43,370
more like. 80% of the time 
there's no reduction. 20% of the

605
00:28:43,370 --> 00:28:46,610
time is catastrophic and it's 
like, do you want right, Is that

606
00:28:46,610 --> 00:28:48,090
right? 
Yeah, yeah, that's it. 

607
00:28:48,650 --> 00:28:53,650
And trying to figure out which 
scenario falls into the 80% 

608
00:28:53,650 --> 00:28:57,930
versus the 20% that's that's 
that's almost, that's 50% of the

609
00:28:57,930 --> 00:28:58,810
battle. 
That's half the battle. 

610
00:28:58,810 --> 00:29:01,370
I mean that's the, that's the 
greatest, like challenge for us 

611
00:29:01,370 --> 00:29:04,130
right now. 
And that's why whenever somebody

612
00:29:04,130 --> 00:29:06,930
comes to me and says, hey, what 
do you think about this game? 

613
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,440
I go all the way back to, well, 
who are the quarterbacks? 

614
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,120
What is the what? 
How do they normally play? 

615
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,440
And then now let's let's put on 
that layer of where are they 

616
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,440
playing at? 
How much like, how higher or how

617
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,000
hard the wind's going to be 
blowing or how much 

618
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,520
precipitation there's going to 
be. 

619
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,880
I'll just start with the 
quarterbacks and then layer on 

620
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,600
the weather analysis from there.
Because if you don't start from,

621
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,360
how would they normally play in 
just a get? 

622
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:33,720
Like how would they play in the 
Dome? 

623
00:29:34,210 --> 00:29:35,970
If you can't answer that 
question, you're not starting 

624
00:29:35,970 --> 00:29:39,130
from there before you layer in 
the weather, then all you're 

625
00:29:39,130 --> 00:29:42,690
gonna be doing is like almost 
essentially double counting your

626
00:29:42,690 --> 00:29:44,930
negative biases towards bad 
weather. 

627
00:29:45,730 --> 00:29:48,330
But if you don't hear that, one 
of the quarterbacks is Andy 

628
00:29:48,330 --> 00:29:49,770
Dahl. 
Don't do that. 

629
00:29:49,810 --> 00:29:54,850
Yeah, get him off it. 
Get him off your roster. 

630
00:29:56,770 --> 00:30:00,850
Casey was asking in here about, 
like, Deshawn's numbers being so

631
00:30:00,850 --> 00:30:02,770
wild. 
Anecdotally, we all remember 

632
00:30:02,770 --> 00:30:04,530
like some of these Cleveland win
games. 

633
00:30:04,530 --> 00:30:05,810
I'm just gonna try to push this 
back. 

634
00:30:05,810 --> 00:30:07,930
I know you said a lot of this 
win stuff is a little bit more 

635
00:30:07,930 --> 00:30:12,530
specific for weekly stuff in 
DFS, but for best ball drafting?

636
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:17,840
And looking at the schedule, 
obviously as we get into the 

637
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,760
winter, you know games get 
colder totals drop. 

638
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,280
Can you suss out anything 
relative to best ball mania, any

639
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:26,920
edges there? 
You're going to hear a lot about

640
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,080
El Nino this year. 
Do you have thoughts on it being

641
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,040
on El Nino as it pertains like 
how can we make this a slightly 

642
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,760
actionable for our for our 
drafting? 

643
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:39,080
Yeah, the highlight of my my 
last couple of weeks has been 

644
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,020
sitting. 
At this desk at 10:00 o'clock at

645
00:30:42,020 --> 00:30:44,620
night, looking up what the hell 
in El Nino is. 

646
00:30:44,940 --> 00:30:47,820
And trying to figure out. 
Because of that damn Davis Matic

647
00:30:47,820 --> 00:30:49,780
tweet and figure out, like, what
is? 

648
00:30:49,900 --> 00:30:52,140
That what is that always goes? 
Back Davis Matic Tweet has 

649
00:30:52,140 --> 00:30:53,420
started a lot of things. 
That's. 

650
00:30:53,580 --> 00:30:54,900
Yeah, like what is that? 
Like, what is it like? 

651
00:30:54,940 --> 00:30:57,140
Why does it matter? 
And honestly, like after looking

652
00:30:57,140 --> 00:31:00,660
at it, so if I'm reading this 
correctly or like the way that I

653
00:31:00,660 --> 00:31:04,140
read it, like from the Noa's 
website and El Nino is supposed 

654
00:31:04,140 --> 00:31:07,340
to be something that affects 
like tides and wind pressures 

655
00:31:07,340 --> 00:31:09,540
and all that, but it's more 
towards the equator. 

656
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,360
So while that might impact like 
the coastal regions, it'd be 

657
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,240
more towards the South. 
So if there are games in like 

658
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,400
Florida, let's say maybe Texas, 
like somewhere like close that's

659
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,080
closer to the equator, that 
makes some sense. 

660
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,120
But overall, I wouldn't think 
like out of the New England 

661
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:31,240
Buffalo game that's supposed to 
happen in in week 17, I'm not 

662
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,240
thinking that one should be 
affected because at least from 

663
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,760
what I'm reading, El Nino is 
more towards the more towards 

664
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,400
the. 
South and I I had heard that it.

665
00:31:37,910 --> 00:31:40,510
Potentially could mean a more 
mild winter in terms of the 

666
00:31:40,510 --> 00:31:43,270
temperatures, is that? 
Yeah, that's what I'll that's 

667
00:31:43,590 --> 00:31:44,270
OK. 
But it's the. 

668
00:31:44,270 --> 00:31:46,270
But maybe a Nino year is a good.
Thing maybe we. 

669
00:31:46,590 --> 00:31:48,390
Yeah. 
So I think it's like the La 

670
00:31:48,390 --> 00:31:50,310
Nina, which typically comes 
afterwards. 

671
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:52,510
That's when you get like the 
worst stuff. 

672
00:31:53,310 --> 00:31:54,470
OK. 
And when is that? 

673
00:31:55,990 --> 00:31:57,590
I need you now. 
It sounds like we're talking 

674
00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:59,510
about when's the fleet of the 
Spunks? 

675
00:32:00,190 --> 00:32:02,230
In a couple years. 
Yeah, a couple years. 

676
00:32:02,470 --> 00:32:03,990
OK, yeah, I think it works. 
Yeah. 

677
00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:05,750
Season or something like that 
afterwards, yeah. 

678
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,720
Let me let me frame a question 
this way because I think like 

679
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:14,320
there's sort of there's sort of 
this logical thing, you know 

680
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,840
when people are thinking through
what games to target. 

681
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:22,200
You look at the Vikings and the 
Packers in a Dome, you get, you 

682
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,440
know, it's kind of easy to dream
on that game being fun, you 

683
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,200
know, and and you go, so you 
know it's in a Dome, then you go

684
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,320
Jets, Browns. 
Like I get why people are a 

685
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,080
little bit nervous about 
stacking up. 

686
00:32:33,790 --> 00:32:36,350
Jets, Browns especially because 
like from a matchup perspective,

687
00:32:36,350 --> 00:32:38,470
it's like you know am. 
Rogers always plays slow. 

688
00:32:38,470 --> 00:32:41,150
The Browns like to run the ball,
so you know it could be bad. 

689
00:32:42,590 --> 00:32:46,030
But it's also happening on 
December 31st, so it's tough to 

690
00:32:46,030 --> 00:32:50,470
get two in the weeds. 
If I told you right now The Jets

691
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:57,070
and the Browns are playing in 20
degrees Fahrenheit with a 13 

692
00:32:57,070 --> 00:33:00,550
mile an hour wind, would that 
affect anything for you? 

693
00:33:01,110 --> 00:33:07,260
No, not at all. 20 degrees. 
So from a temperature 

694
00:33:07,260 --> 00:33:10,740
perspective there, from the 
studies that I've done in the 

695
00:33:10,740 --> 00:33:13,940
past, I need to update it for 
for Fantasy Life. 

696
00:33:13,940 --> 00:33:16,340
But the stuff that I was doing 
beforehand, you don't see a 

697
00:33:16,340 --> 00:33:18,980
dropoff in password over 
expectation. 

698
00:33:18,980 --> 00:33:21,540
Total plays run any of those 
fantasy metrics until you get 

699
00:33:21,540 --> 00:33:24,420
into the single digits. 
So think about that with that 

700
00:33:24,460 --> 00:33:27,300
Minnesota Seattle game that was 
played in like single digits, 

701
00:33:27,300 --> 00:33:29,420
that playoff game from however 
many years ago and what Blair 

702
00:33:29,420 --> 00:33:32,140
Walsh like Shank the Kick. 
Missed that kick from like 25 

703
00:33:32,140 --> 00:33:34,240
yards, yeah. 
So that one. 

704
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,600
So that was a 10. 
Nine final or something? 

705
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,440
Like that. 
Yeah, it was something wild, 

706
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,400
like those types of games, but 
you don't see a drop off in 

707
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,560
fantasy related metrics until 
you get into the single digits. 

708
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,320
And like I mentioned before, in 
13 mph that's not even something

709
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,040
to really factor in the only 
place that I've seen. 

710
00:33:53,370 --> 00:33:57,210
Anything less than 15 mph play, 
a factor in any part of football

711
00:33:57,570 --> 00:34:00,850
has been at Gillette Stadium 
because the North End of 

712
00:34:00,850 --> 00:34:03,730
Gillette Stadium has that like 
angled like open section, like 

713
00:34:03,730 --> 00:34:04,850
towards the end on the 
Northside. 

714
00:34:05,090 --> 00:34:07,690
And kicks have been messed up 
because you can get gusts that 

715
00:34:07,690 --> 00:34:09,929
will come in like back through 
that section, almost like. 

716
00:34:10,010 --> 00:34:11,570
Mack Jones is 80 piece so well 
and. 

717
00:34:11,690 --> 00:34:14,170
Almost like funnels, like air 
pressure and like right there, 

718
00:34:14,170 --> 00:34:16,530
and it's messed with kicks 
before on games that you 

719
00:34:16,530 --> 00:34:19,130
typically wouldn't expect to 
have like much of an issue. 

720
00:34:19,460 --> 00:34:21,540
But 13 miles an hour? 
20 degrees Fahrenheit? 

721
00:34:21,820 --> 00:34:25,340
No, ain't no problems there. 
OK, so I mean when you're if 

722
00:34:25,340 --> 00:34:29,620
you're like fading any of these 
games, cuz the weather like 

723
00:34:29,620 --> 00:34:34,900
you're betting on it sounds like
a pretty kind of uncommonly bad 

724
00:34:35,540 --> 00:34:39,659
weather situation which you have
no real reason to expect other 

725
00:34:39,659 --> 00:34:41,540
than sometimes the weather's 
bad. 

726
00:34:41,820 --> 00:34:45,500
I mean I guess like would would 
it make sense to you to 

727
00:34:45,500 --> 00:34:50,550
prioritize even the Dome games? 
To it just a slight tick up, 

728
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:54,469
because at least there we know 
there's no chance of severe 

729
00:34:54,670 --> 00:34:57,150
weather. 
I don't see a problem with that,

730
00:34:58,070 --> 00:35:01,990
but from at least a couple of 
the games that you'd mentioned, 

731
00:35:01,990 --> 00:35:05,310
so like Jets, Browns. 
So while you mentioned this goes

732
00:35:05,470 --> 00:35:11,430
back to the recommendation I was
having earlier about analyzing 

733
00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:13,350
the teams and what they can 
potentially do. 

734
00:35:13,870 --> 00:35:16,500
It's like. 
Do we expect them to have like 

735
00:35:16,500 --> 00:35:18,940
the same, like passer over 
expectation with the weapons 

736
00:35:18,940 --> 00:35:21,380
that they added this year? 
Could they tick up a bit more 

737
00:35:21,660 --> 00:35:24,220
and be a bit more past friendly?
And the same thing with The 

738
00:35:24,220 --> 00:35:26,020
Jets. 
I mean, given Vegas totals and 

739
00:35:26,020 --> 00:35:28,860
all that, their average weekly 
implied totals are supposed to 

740
00:35:28,860 --> 00:35:30,660
be up this year. 
So we should expect a bit more 

741
00:35:30,660 --> 00:35:32,900
might be running slower because 
it's Aaron Rodgers to your 

742
00:35:32,900 --> 00:35:35,740
point, Absolutely. 
But could we have two teams 

743
00:35:35,740 --> 00:35:37,860
interacting with each other that
are? 

744
00:35:38,610 --> 00:35:41,890
At the, let's say at best 
average in password over 

745
00:35:41,890 --> 00:35:45,930
expectation versus being both 
bottom 10 like they were last 

746
00:35:45,930 --> 00:35:47,850
year. 
So could you get a situation 

747
00:35:47,850 --> 00:35:51,850
where this is a team that's the 
two teams that are passing back 

748
00:35:51,850 --> 00:35:54,330
and forth throughout the game? 
It's entirely possible. 

749
00:35:54,570 --> 00:35:57,810
So where even if the wind does 
become or let's say just the 

750
00:35:57,810 --> 00:36:00,530
weather in general, because it's
gonna be a December game even if

751
00:36:00,530 --> 00:36:02,010
the weather does become an 
issue. 

752
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,640
You might be looking at two 
teams that are going to be more 

753
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,320
past friendly, Not past first or
past heavy, just more past 

754
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,120
friendly compared to what they 
weren't. 

755
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,680
Right. 
And if you get there to week 17,

756
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,840
you've probably hit on that to 
some extent. 

757
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,080
That's your question. 
The way that I would analyze it 

758
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:21,000
is again, we obviously always do
it as a market related thing and

759
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,140
this is. 
Everything I'm hearing from 

760
00:36:23,140 --> 00:36:26,900
Chris is telling me that the 
market is over concerned about 

761
00:36:26,900 --> 00:36:29,380
this, right. 
And I've made the 8020 point 

762
00:36:29,380 --> 00:36:31,900
where 80% of the time it's the 
same, You know, it says no drop 

763
00:36:31,900 --> 00:36:33,540
off. 20% of the time it's 
catastrophic. 

764
00:36:33,820 --> 00:36:36,140
It's probably more like 95, five
or even more. 

765
00:36:36,140 --> 00:36:38,460
Cuz like what you're saying, 
Chris, is those catastrophic 

766
00:36:38,460 --> 00:36:40,540
events are very limited. 
Yeah. 

767
00:36:40,580 --> 00:36:44,780
So the question is, is let's say
it's 95.5, the 5% chance of 

768
00:36:44,780 --> 00:36:46,940
ruin. 
Where you get all the way to the

769
00:36:47,020 --> 00:36:49,740
championship, you have that 
roster and the and the weather 

770
00:36:49,740 --> 00:36:53,100
is what crushes that roster. 
In week 17, probably not even 

771
00:36:53,100 --> 00:36:55,780
5%, but you know, contingent on 
all those scenarios, we'll say 

772
00:36:55,780 --> 00:36:58,500
it's 5%. 
Are we getting a 5% discount on 

773
00:36:58,500 --> 00:37:00,940
those stacks because people are 
worried about that? 

774
00:37:00,940 --> 00:37:05,060
Like what is the market 
discounting it more than the the

775
00:37:05,060 --> 00:37:07,980
actual weather catastrophe 
concern. 

776
00:37:08,180 --> 00:37:10,740
I would argue the market 
probably is overplaying that. 

777
00:37:10,740 --> 00:37:13,920
Those are easy. 
Easier stacks to make because 

778
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,000
people are too worried about the
weather based on everything I'm 

779
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,600
hearing from Chris, like 
literally from this 

780
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,520
conversation, that's how I'm 
interpreting it. 

781
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,680
And honestly, if you put in the 
the DFS layer, how many folks, 

782
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,640
even if they are stacking that 
game, The more common approach 

783
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:30,160
would probably be what Nick 
Chubb and joke who with like. 

784
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:32,080
Right. 
You know because. 

785
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:33,320
They're saying it's gonna be a 
weather game. 

786
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,760
It's gonna say to be a weather 
game, so at most they're 

787
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,920
probably gonna have Chub. 
They might have in Joku and if 

788
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,560
they had Garrett Wilson earlier 
than they probably drafted him, 

789
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,200
but not not everybody's gonna 
want to try and do in a Elijah 

790
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,600
more. 
Yeah, it makes you want to go do

791
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,120
a huge stack, yeah. 
Yeah, it doesn't make. 

792
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:51,320
That's what it makes me want to 
do too. 

793
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:55,000
Just stack up those games, cuz I
mean if you show up with a game 

794
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,040
that's less popular, that's 
called leverage. 

795
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,990
Yeah, yeah, right. 
All right. 

796
00:38:01,270 --> 00:38:03,750
I did register us for a 
basketball mania. 

797
00:38:03,750 --> 00:38:06,630
We are on the clock at one for 
Chris Allen. 

798
00:38:06,630 --> 00:38:09,870
What do you do when Jefferson, 
Chase and Tyree killer off the 

799
00:38:09,870 --> 00:38:13,990
board? 
I've been going CMC at this 

800
00:38:13,990 --> 00:38:16,910
point, like with all those guys 
like off the board, well, I do 

801
00:38:16,910 --> 00:38:20,470
prefer, I mean, I like Cooper 
Cup, but I've typically gone CMC

802
00:38:20,470 --> 00:38:22,680
here. 
Let's let's get the let's get 

803
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,240
the Chris Allen experience here 
with CMC. 

804
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,520
Introduced him to the Avalanche.
I don't actually see. 

805
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,400
I think we get away with it. 
This isn't. 

806
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,160
This is I don't see any friends 
in this draft are you is. 

807
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:35,920
Anyone. 
I've been going cup there, but 

808
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,600
the I don't think I've 
calibrated for the the more and 

809
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,240
more we're getting confirmation 
on Brock Purdy, the more and 

810
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:46,440
more CMC. 
I mean at 4 is maybe a discount 

811
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,840
like he could catch a lot of 
balls. 

812
00:38:51,430 --> 00:38:53,630
Yeah. 
I'm taking him over hill now. 

813
00:38:55,070 --> 00:38:56,150
CMC over. 
Hill, not cop. 

814
00:38:56,390 --> 00:38:58,390
Yeah, but not cop. 
OK, got it. 

815
00:38:59,990 --> 00:39:04,630
Yeah, and it's it's dude. 
I did not believe so. 

816
00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:07,030
I had Eagles on best ball after 
dark. 

817
00:39:07,030 --> 00:39:10,710
If you guys are YouTube members 
on my channel or ship chasing 

818
00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:14,430
you guys saw that and Eagles 
told me he's like Nick Chubb is 

819
00:39:14,430 --> 00:39:17,670
gonna be a first round pick by 
the end of best ball maintenance

820
00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:18,870
season. 
He's gonna go ahead of Bijan. 

821
00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:21,030
And I was like, no way man. 
It's like it's not gonna happen.

822
00:39:21,420 --> 00:39:25,740
Nick Chubb is screaming up 
boards like all these with 

823
00:39:25,740 --> 00:39:28,660
eight. 
Yeah, I I I'm told I was like, I

824
00:39:28,660 --> 00:39:31,020
was like there's no way. 
And now I I see it all. 

825
00:39:31,020 --> 00:39:33,860
The time. 
Can someone tell me why he was 

826
00:39:33,860 --> 00:39:36,500
already overpriced I had. 
No idea why. 

827
00:39:37,340 --> 00:39:38,940
I definitely missed out like he 
was. 

828
00:39:39,020 --> 00:39:43,620
He was like going very cheap for
where Nick Chubb usually goes, 

829
00:39:43,660 --> 00:39:46,100
and I didn't hammer it because I
was like, yeah, he seems. 

830
00:39:46,500 --> 00:39:47,940
Last year he was like I. 
Mix him in. 

831
00:39:48,510 --> 00:39:49,950
He was like a third round pick 
last year. 

832
00:39:49,950 --> 00:39:52,070
You could get him at like 3-10 
last year. 

833
00:39:52,270 --> 00:39:53,470
Yeah, is. 
That right. 

834
00:39:53,470 --> 00:39:56,870
And you could get him at like 
2323 turn like earlier parts of 

835
00:39:56,870 --> 00:39:58,270
this year, that's where I was 
taking him. 

836
00:39:58,270 --> 00:40:00,670
That's right, 2123 somewhere in 
there. 

837
00:40:00,670 --> 00:40:04,430
But now I've seen him routinely 
go like that nine, so if you 

838
00:40:04,430 --> 00:40:07,290
would pick 910. 
It's gone like wide receiver and

839
00:40:07,290 --> 00:40:09,330
then Nick Chubb on the wrap. 
That's typically what I've seen.

840
00:40:09,570 --> 00:40:12,490
I think Jared nailed it though. 
Chubb snow game. 40 point week 

841
00:40:12,570 --> 00:40:17,090
17. 
It honestly might be partly 

842
00:40:17,090 --> 00:40:20,690
people are like, don't like that
week 17 game the pass he gave. 

843
00:40:20,690 --> 00:40:23,010
But Nick Chubb. 
Except then they're not taking 

844
00:40:23,010 --> 00:40:25,010
Breece Hall either, So then it 
kind of falls apart. 

845
00:40:25,250 --> 00:40:27,030
Right. 
Or do you mean like you mean 

846
00:40:27,030 --> 00:40:30,230
Dalvin Cook with all this Dalvin
cook to the jet stock? 

847
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:34,270
Oh God, don't do that. 
I'm so torn on that one. 

848
00:40:34,310 --> 00:40:37,350
I want cheaper Breeze Hall and 
I, but I also want to protect my

849
00:40:37,350 --> 00:40:42,110
existing bags. 
I also I I'm just I'm drafting 

850
00:40:42,110 --> 00:40:45,550
through I I wrote up this 
article how I'm I'm gonna take 

851
00:40:45,550 --> 00:40:47,630
less breeze hall a little bit 
which is true. 

852
00:40:47,630 --> 00:40:49,670
I did pass on them a few times 
that I normally wouldn't have 

853
00:40:50,070 --> 00:40:53,270
but then I was on the clock at 
the the 3:01. 

854
00:40:53,730 --> 00:40:55,930
You know, five of A5 earlier and
I was just like, I'm fucking 

855
00:40:55,930 --> 00:41:01,170
taking breeze. 
All I took I was Jefferson a 

856
00:41:01,170 --> 00:41:02,250
Lava Breese. 
I mean that's. 

857
00:41:02,250 --> 00:41:04,330
Fun there's as a fun Why, why, 
why? 

858
00:41:04,370 --> 00:41:06,290
Why would they get down on cut 
like it just doesn't. 

859
00:41:06,370 --> 00:41:09,290
I don't like until that happens 
I'm not buying it. 

860
00:41:09,770 --> 00:41:12,210
The only thing I can think of is
that they just want to really 

861
00:41:12,210 --> 00:41:15,810
try and push as many chips in as
possible, even though in my mind

862
00:41:15,810 --> 00:41:17,530
that you should just go ahead 
and like load up on the 

863
00:41:17,530 --> 00:41:19,490
offensive line. 
Just make sure Aaron Rodgers is 

864
00:41:19,490 --> 00:41:21,410
protected. 
You don't need to really stock 

865
00:41:21,410 --> 00:41:23,050
up on running. 
Way better, yeah. 

866
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,560
This is what's crazy too. 
Kevin says that we underestimate

867
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,200
this room because it did seem 
like you got a Nick Chubb, Derek

868
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,880
Henry, but then you still have T
Higgins, Waddle Lava all come 

869
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:34,960
off the board. 
Here we are. 

870
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,760
Getting Derek Henry team is 
gonna be in for. 

871
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,120
It that's high T drafting baby 
right there. 

872
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,360
So, Chris, do you steer into the
Avalanche or do you capitulate 

873
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,280
with Devonta Smith? 
I capitulate with Devonta Smith.

874
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,120
That's that's what I've done, 
yeah. 

875
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,640
Yeah. 
Yeah, I I think we're gonna get,

876
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,480
I mean have you guys been seeing
this stuff with with Barclay, 

877
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:02,120
with the the Monday deadline as 
far as accepting his franchise 

878
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:03,440
or not. 
Yeah. 

879
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,840
And otherwise he's gonna his 
only option is to hold out. 

880
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,160
He has he has no other option or
to play on the $10 million. 

881
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,000
But wait, what does that mean? 
He starts saying. 

882
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,560
He starts saying cur fines is 
that? 

883
00:42:17,260 --> 00:42:20,540
It's just, sorry, sorry. 
The deadline on Monday is if 

884
00:42:20,540 --> 00:42:25,140
they can agree to a longer 
contract and the Giants are 

885
00:42:25,140 --> 00:42:26,700
like, no, we're just giving you 
the tag. 

886
00:42:26,700 --> 00:42:28,980
And so he's. 
After that point, he won't. 

887
00:42:29,180 --> 00:42:31,020
They won't be able to negotiate 
a longer term deal. 

888
00:42:31,020 --> 00:42:34,380
This year, exactly the only 
option for him after Monday will

889
00:42:34,380 --> 00:42:36,620
be to play under the $10 million
tag. 

890
00:42:37,260 --> 00:42:38,100
Or hold out. 
Wow. 

891
00:42:38,420 --> 00:42:42,610
Or hold out, yeah. 
So I get the only reason I bring

892
00:42:42,610 --> 00:42:44,370
that up is I do think we're 
going to start to see some 

893
00:42:44,370 --> 00:42:48,450
cheaper Barkley, at least over 
these few days until we get some

894
00:42:48,450 --> 00:42:50,730
clarity on that. 
So he's falls all the way here 

895
00:42:50,730 --> 00:42:53,090
to the 2-3 turn. 
So I hadn't been drafting a lot 

896
00:42:53,090 --> 00:42:55,890
of Barkley, but I do think I'll 
start to pick some up here in 

897
00:42:55,890 --> 00:42:58,170
this 2-3 range, you know, where 
we've all been drafting. 

898
00:42:58,170 --> 00:42:59,770
I've yet to draft them in best 
ball mania. 

899
00:43:00,010 --> 00:43:04,010
I've mixed them in so. 
Yeah, I thought we'd get them. 

900
00:43:06,370 --> 00:43:08,850
What do you what do you guys 
like to do here, Chris? 

901
00:43:08,850 --> 00:43:10,610
I'm curious which which 
direction you go? 

902
00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:14,160
I would still. 
I've I've like really started 

903
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,560
steering into getting, uh, more 
like charges. 

904
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,640
Why I received. 
I've taken Keenan like here 

905
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:19,680
before. 
Wow. 

906
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:20,960
OK. 
I don't. 

907
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:22,080
We don't. 
He belongs here. 

908
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,760
I love that. 
I mean it's it's aggressive, but

909
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,680
I think he belongs here from a 
peer values. 

910
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,200
That's kind of what I'm thinking
over the over those other guys. 

911
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,280
I've taken him over, like, yeah,
the guys in front of him right 

912
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,120
now, I've taken him over most of
those guys. 

913
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,840
Debo is maybe the only one I 
would make a case for, but those

914
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,680
other three guys, I think Keenan
should go ahead. 

915
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,480
Yeah, DK. 
No, Calvin, no. 

916
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,640
Was, is that an avalanche take 
are you? 

917
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,680
Because I think one of the key 
questions right now in drafts is

918
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,480
how you handle the 2-3 turn and 
kind of not even the turn that 

919
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,160
sort of larger back, you know 
the front half of the board. 

920
00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:58,840
When you're coming back on the 
backside of the second round all

921
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,480
the way to kind of the mid to 
late third, there are running 

922
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,920
backs there who I think we're 
kind of not used to being priced

923
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:06,640
like that. 
Are you? 

924
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:08,810
How are you handling that? 
Yeah, are you tempted by Ram? 

925
00:44:08,810 --> 00:44:12,170
Andre Jacob's at that spot? 
Jacob's yes. 

926
00:44:12,210 --> 00:44:14,850
Ram Andre No. 
For some reason I I haven't, I 

927
00:44:14,850 --> 00:44:16,730
haven't been able to really suss
out why. 

928
00:44:16,730 --> 00:44:20,210
Maybe that's a leak in my game, 
but I've I've tended more 

929
00:44:20,210 --> 00:44:23,090
towards Jacobs than. 
Than we all have guys like that.

930
00:44:23,090 --> 00:44:24,490
I know exactly what you're 
describing. 

931
00:44:24,690 --> 00:44:27,130
I actually feel the same way 
about Ram Andre right now. 

932
00:44:27,770 --> 00:44:29,770
I've been pretty in on him, so 
that's interesting. 

933
00:44:30,250 --> 00:44:33,570
Well he's Cook is one of the you
know the Patriots are one of the

934
00:44:33,570 --> 00:44:35,610
teams that's getting floated for
Cook. 

935
00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:39,150
I don't seriously take it. 
But then they also keep talking 

936
00:44:39,150 --> 00:44:42,710
at Montgomery. 
It's like kind of this, like you

937
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:45,870
know, I don't want to hear 
anything about a guy not being 

938
00:44:46,070 --> 00:44:48,750
the workhorse, you know, like I 
don't want to hear a single 

939
00:44:48,750 --> 00:44:50,310
thing. 
I'm hearing like multiple 

940
00:44:50,310 --> 00:44:53,230
things. 
Like I know Jacobs has the the 

941
00:44:53,230 --> 00:44:56,710
holdout stuff as well, but I I I
think that gets resolved. 

942
00:44:56,710 --> 00:44:59,510
I. 
Feel Ramondra, the gap between 

943
00:44:59,510 --> 00:45:02,270
him from a talent perspective, 
he was really good at all the, 

944
00:45:02,310 --> 00:45:05,270
you know, advanced rushing 
metrics last year, the gap 

945
00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:08,790
between him and. 
Especially Ty Montgomery, but I 

946
00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:10,990
mean, Peter Strong might be a 
thing but basically everyone 

947
00:45:10,990 --> 00:45:14,230
else on that depth chart, I 
think from a I agree with you 

948
00:45:14,270 --> 00:45:17,070
and I Bel checks tendencies 
concern me. 

949
00:45:17,350 --> 00:45:21,830
But from a you know we maybe 
don't play in the running back 

950
00:45:21,830 --> 00:45:25,270
talent enough perspective like 
if Ramondre is as much better as

951
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:28,230
the rest of those guys as he has
appeared to be so far in his 

952
00:45:28,230 --> 00:45:30,560
career. 
Belichick will lean into that. 

953
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,480
He's done it before. 
He leaned into like Lawrence 

954
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,520
Maroney at one point. 
He when he had Corey Dillon, he 

955
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,520
he had Corey Dillon be the guy 
for a year. 

956
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,280
I mean, it's not like a very 
frequent thing, but he has had 

957
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:42,960
guys. 
Or maybe Corey Dillon was even 

958
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:44,640
before Belichick. 
On him, maybe that was. 

959
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,800
Yeah, he's had that guys. 
I really like Ramadre. 

960
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,200
I think he's very good, but I 
actually don't think he's been 

961
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:56,800
like a superstar, especially in 
the receiving stuff, I think. 

962
00:45:57,190 --> 00:45:59,190
He's very capable as a receiver,
but he was. 

963
00:45:59,270 --> 00:46:03,950
He was running back 27 in ESPN's
receiver ratings last season. 

964
00:46:05,230 --> 00:46:07,950
I'll pull up his yard. 
On the rushing stuff. 

965
00:46:07,950 --> 00:46:11,190
The rushing stuff. 
What it What he is to me is he's

966
00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:12,830
just super solid across the 
board. 

967
00:46:13,030 --> 00:46:14,470
Like he can do everything for 
you. 

968
00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:17,150
It's actually sort of similar to
Josh Jacobs, like he can do 

969
00:46:17,150 --> 00:46:18,510
everything for you. 
He's got size. 

970
00:46:18,510 --> 00:46:19,990
You don't ever have to take him 
off the field. 

971
00:46:20,670 --> 00:46:23,230
If you're looking for that type 
of running back, like he's 

972
00:46:23,230 --> 00:46:26,590
awesome, but if a guy would 
rather have. 

973
00:46:27,130 --> 00:46:31,050
You know coach would rather have
a bit more of a committee and 

974
00:46:31,050 --> 00:46:35,170
played a guy's strengths. 
He yeah he had 1.24 yards per 

975
00:46:35,170 --> 00:46:38,050
out run last year that's like 
right around what 4 net had last

976
00:46:38,050 --> 00:46:39,330
year. 
It's not a bad number but it's 

977
00:46:39,330 --> 00:46:43,690
not like special. 
I don't I don't think he's like 

978
00:46:43,770 --> 00:46:46,930
as protected because he doesn't.
He doesn't. 

979
00:46:47,010 --> 00:46:49,610
He's not he's not a super. 
Yeah, the lack of efficiency. 

980
00:46:49,930 --> 00:46:53,930
The lack of efficiency in the 
receiving game, I think that's a

981
00:46:53,930 --> 00:46:55,010
good point. 
I agree with you there. 

982
00:46:55,290 --> 00:46:58,310
I think I've. 
I don't know exactly this, the 

983
00:46:58,430 --> 00:47:02,190
advanced rushing stats, I don't 
have it in front of me, but I 

984
00:47:02,190 --> 00:47:06,430
think I've heard that he was 
among the top in what, like, you

985
00:47:06,510 --> 00:47:08,910
know, forced miss tackles per 
attempt, all that stuff. 

986
00:47:08,910 --> 00:47:11,990
I'm trying to pull it up, but 
yeah, and even. 

987
00:47:12,310 --> 00:47:14,190
Well, I don't know about 
explosive run rate, but even 

988
00:47:14,190 --> 00:47:16,630
still, like forced miss tackles,
I thought like he in yards after

989
00:47:16,630 --> 00:47:18,150
contact per attempt. 
I thought he was. 

990
00:47:18,270 --> 00:47:19,190
Right. 
I think he's like. 

991
00:47:19,390 --> 00:47:22,150
Elite at those What are you? 
What are you seeing that has him

992
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:24,270
as, like, average? 
Pat. 

993
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:26,640
No, no, I don't mean that he's 
average. 

994
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:31,800
I just mean that he's not. 
He's not a star in terms of he's

995
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,280
at, he's not. 
I mean, you could have made the 

996
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,440
case he is a star because he's 
good at everything and that's 

997
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,360
really hard to find. 
But he didn't do like so he had 

998
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:45,990
62 rush yards that were expected
133 attempts as a rookie. 141 on

999
00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:49,150
210 times last year we make this
picking off. 

1000
00:47:49,270 --> 00:47:52,750
Yeah, we're on the clock here. 
Tebow slid all the way to 46. 

1001
00:47:52,750 --> 00:47:55,630
Watson comes off the board. 
London Mike Dub. 

1002
00:47:55,630 --> 00:47:59,430
If we want to build out 
Chargers, DeAndre IU mixed. 

1003
00:47:59,590 --> 00:48:02,830
Fields, there's Herbert still 
here, I assume, But yeah, yeah, 

1004
00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:04,150
yeah, yeah. 
Yeah. 

1005
00:48:04,190 --> 00:48:06,870
I'm assuming Burrowed Fields is 
on the is on the board, yeah. 

1006
00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:09,910
What do you guys like? 
I double up charges or go to 

1007
00:48:09,910 --> 00:48:12,070
London. 
Chris, say it. 

1008
00:48:12,590 --> 00:48:16,230
London. 
So I wanna run this by Pete. 

1009
00:48:16,230 --> 00:48:18,590
I know that you've talked in the
Fantasy Life discord about this,

1010
00:48:18,590 --> 00:48:23,990
but for the early round 
quarterbacks like while it 

1011
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:27,990
becomes more of a typical path 
to like do like the Stefan 

1012
00:48:27,990 --> 00:48:29,830
Diggs, Josh Allen stacks and all
of that. 

1013
00:48:30,110 --> 00:48:32,870
But have you guys like started 
looking at building out your 

1014
00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:34,590
stacks with some of the later on
options. 

1015
00:48:34,590 --> 00:48:39,830
So if you were to do like an 
Allen, Kincaid, Shakir, that 

1016
00:48:39,830 --> 00:48:42,030
sort of thing where it's like 
you know that there's going to 

1017
00:48:42,030 --> 00:48:43,510
have. 
There's There's going to be a 

1018
00:48:43,510 --> 00:48:45,870
number of targets available to 
most of the pass catchers on a 

1019
00:48:45,870 --> 00:48:47,990
weekly basis, just from the 
password of expectation 

1020
00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:51,750
associated with the Bills. 
But instead of using a stack 

1021
00:48:51,750 --> 00:48:54,910
that most folks are going to be 
building, why not look at some 

1022
00:48:54,910 --> 00:48:58,150
of the other pass catchers that 
might be less rostered on some 

1023
00:48:58,150 --> 00:49:00,390
of these teams. 
So I can set up a Keenan, Alan, 

1024
00:49:00,390 --> 00:49:05,270
Mike Williams, Herbert, You do 
Keenan Herbert, Everett, Keenan 

1025
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:07,990
Herbert. 
I don't know, throwing Josh 

1026
00:49:07,990 --> 00:49:11,950
Palmer if if you want to, but 
it's just looking at those. 

1027
00:49:12,330 --> 00:49:15,090
Lesser lesser pieces of the 
offense. 

1028
00:49:15,290 --> 00:49:18,450
The lesser popular parts of the 
offense in order to stack like 

1029
00:49:18,450 --> 00:49:22,370
your early round quarterbacks. 
So interesting spot to think 

1030
00:49:22,370 --> 00:49:23,570
through here. 
If you're thinking about 

1031
00:49:23,570 --> 00:49:25,330
detours. 
If we do take a quarterback, 

1032
00:49:25,330 --> 00:49:27,970
we're probably gonna be in a 
pretty nice spot for a tight end

1033
00:49:27,970 --> 00:49:30,210
in the sixth round as well. 
Just something to consider. 

1034
00:49:30,410 --> 00:49:32,610
Yeah, I think it's Deonte or God
one for me. 

1035
00:49:32,610 --> 00:49:35,090
I don't know about you guys. 
Yeah, either one of those two is

1036
00:49:35,090 --> 00:49:37,290
fine. 
I'd go Deonte over God when I 

1037
00:49:37,490 --> 00:49:39,530
think, but I'd I would also go 
Herbert. 

1038
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:41,480
Yeah, I was. 
Thinking that. 

1039
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,600
Situation. 
So the only the only thing 

1040
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:49,560
that's interesting about Herbert
is often Keenan is on this side 

1041
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,920
of the board and falls into a 
more like ADP correlated range 

1042
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,200
for the Keenan drafter at the 
5-6 turn. 

1043
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,560
We obviously took him here right
early and the Mike Williams 

1044
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,240
drafters behind us, small chance
for a slide. 

1045
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,720
That's what I was thinking. 
Two things, that we didn't take 

1046
00:50:03,720 --> 00:50:07,200
Mike Williams in four and then 
because we didn't double that we

1047
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,240
might want to try to play for 
him to fall in the sixth. 

1048
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:10,950
Yeah. 
Deonte's. 

1049
00:50:11,230 --> 00:50:12,350
Really risen up, huh? 
Yeah. 

1050
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:16,070
You like you used to be able to,
I noticed on 6. 

1051
00:50:16,350 --> 00:50:19,190
How many times were people going
to quote that zero touchdown 

1052
00:50:19,230 --> 00:50:21,630
regression before? 
Yeah, the regression stat 

1053
00:50:21,630 --> 00:50:23,230
before. 
So I pulled up the Ramadre 

1054
00:50:23,230 --> 00:50:26,630
Stevenson thing. 
Pat yards after contact per 

1055
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:30,590
attempt, Third in the NFL among 
all running backs, behind only 

1056
00:50:30,590 --> 00:50:33,390
Tony Pollard and Nick Chubb, 
miss tackle. 

1057
00:50:34,550 --> 00:50:37,230
Percentage generated second 
among all running backs. 

1058
00:50:37,230 --> 00:50:39,910
But at least at 100 running 
rushing attempts find only Josh 

1059
00:50:39,910 --> 00:50:42,230
Jacobs. 
Last year he was like those are 

1060
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:44,750
the two. 
As far as I understand the two I

1061
00:50:44,830 --> 00:50:46,950
I really don't care about 
running backs, but I'm like 

1062
00:50:46,950 --> 00:50:49,230
quoting people I don't even know
I'm quoting far as I understand 

1063
00:50:49,230 --> 00:50:54,270
the two most predictive rushing 
skill statistics and he was 

1064
00:50:54,270 --> 00:50:56,830
really good at both of them. 
Like Elite last year both of 

1065
00:50:56,870 --> 00:50:58,870
them. 
I I like the NFL next Gen. 

1066
00:50:58,870 --> 00:51:02,750
stuff, which he was very good in
looking at the guys with 200 

1067
00:51:02,750 --> 00:51:08,550
plus attempts. 
He had what he was behind Chubb,

1068
00:51:08,550 --> 00:51:11,990
Pollard, Travis Etn as a 
Pacheco, Deonte Foreman, Tyler 

1069
00:51:11,990 --> 00:51:15,110
Algier and then Ramondra. 
Is that the success rate one 

1070
00:51:15,110 --> 00:51:16,350
though? 
No, that's rush. 

1071
00:51:16,350 --> 00:51:18,630
Yards are expected per. 
Attempt R Wiley. 

1072
00:51:19,230 --> 00:51:21,390
Yeah. 
Which is I think, a pretty good 

1073
00:51:21,390 --> 00:51:22,990
metric. 
It's, it's kind of an explosive 

1074
00:51:22,990 --> 00:51:24,270
metric, yeah. 
Yeah. 

1075
00:51:24,430 --> 00:51:25,630
Per attempt. 
I didn't thought it was per 

1076
00:51:25,630 --> 00:51:29,980
attempt or total, but yeah yeah.
I should have known that the 

1077
00:51:29,980 --> 00:51:32,260
team that started Nick Chubb, 
Derek Henry and Naji Harris. 

1078
00:51:32,260 --> 00:51:34,540
Would take it totally. 
Dad to take an unstacked Justin.

1079
00:51:34,660 --> 00:51:40,060
For. 
The audio listeners our team 

1080
00:51:40,060 --> 00:51:43,020
through 5 routes, Christian 
McCaffrey, anchor Devonta Smith,

1081
00:51:43,220 --> 00:51:45,940
Keenan Allen, Drake London and 
Deontay Johnson. 

1082
00:51:46,100 --> 00:51:50,180
I mean the one thing is we do 
still have some quarterback 

1083
00:51:50,180 --> 00:51:51,540
outs. 
We mentioned the Purdy stuff 

1084
00:51:51,540 --> 00:51:53,860
with CMC. 
If anyone wants to join me on 

1085
00:51:53,860 --> 00:51:56,580
the Ritter train with London, 
Deontay Johnson with Pickett. 

1086
00:51:56,580 --> 00:51:59,140
So we're not boxed out of. 
Of stacks here. 

1087
00:51:59,500 --> 00:52:01,180
No. 
And if we want to go the picket 

1088
00:52:01,180 --> 00:52:04,940
route, I mean we can still grab 
Lockett JSN on the run back if 

1089
00:52:04,940 --> 00:52:08,780
we need to. 
Yeah it was a really long time 

1090
00:52:08,780 --> 00:52:13,660
ago but Bill Belchuck, 2004 
Patriots gave Corey Dillon 345 

1091
00:52:13,660 --> 00:52:16,460
carries at one point. 
I mean there's some like I I 

1092
00:52:16,460 --> 00:52:18,860
just think it look like I know 
that's a really long time ago 

1093
00:52:18,860 --> 00:52:23,220
but we we act like belch check 
won't ride a guy and I think if 

1094
00:52:23,300 --> 00:52:26,580
if I think he rode Ramondra to a
degree last year. 

1095
00:52:27,150 --> 00:52:28,670
When Damian was banged up. 
Right. 

1096
00:52:28,750 --> 00:52:31,830
And I think when he has guys 
that are the clear best runner 

1097
00:52:31,830 --> 00:52:34,310
he's like fuck this. 
I'm gonna ride this guy like 

1098
00:52:34,310 --> 00:52:36,390
I've he's the best player. 
He's the best football player. 

1099
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:39,390
You know like Belchick's that 
kind of like, you know hard 

1100
00:52:39,390 --> 00:52:41,510
nosed guy. 
He's like, dude, I'm I'm leaving

1101
00:52:41,510 --> 00:52:43,270
him on the field like he's the 
best player. 

1102
00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:45,950
Like I'm not gonna I'm not gonna
rotate just for rotation's sake.

1103
00:52:46,430 --> 00:52:48,590
So I mean I think that's the bet
with Ramondre. 

1104
00:52:48,590 --> 00:52:50,910
It's like you're like Belchick's
just gonna be like this is our 

1105
00:52:50,910 --> 00:52:52,590
best runner. 
We're riding him. 

1106
00:52:53,390 --> 00:52:56,550
To be clear, I have 8.7% 
Ramondre. 

1107
00:52:58,290 --> 00:53:02,130
I'm not out on Ram Andre at all.
It's just that you know with 

1108
00:53:02,130 --> 00:53:06,090
Breese, I'm having to like have 
a little come to Jesus moment 

1109
00:53:06,090 --> 00:53:08,570
with Breese and go, you know, 
they might sign cook, you should

1110
00:53:08,850 --> 00:53:10,650
save some bullets, save some 
ammo. 

1111
00:53:10,650 --> 00:53:13,650
Maybe you can get cheap Breese 
later if they do sign to Alvin. 

1112
00:53:14,210 --> 00:53:17,930
But they've been Dalvin's been 
floated to the Patriots too. 

1113
00:53:17,930 --> 00:53:21,010
Like that's something I think we
should bake in a little bit of 

1114
00:53:21,010 --> 00:53:24,370
that risk and what does it say 
that that he's being floated 

1115
00:53:24,370 --> 00:53:27,360
there with Breese it says. 
We're not sure if this ACL 

1116
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,800
thinks going to recover as 
quickly as we want, and we're 

1117
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,600
going for it this year with the 
Patriots. 

1118
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,840
They're not going for it. 
Why do they want to bring in 

1119
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:37,400
Dalvin? 
That's like a little bit of a 

1120
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,440
red flag. 
It's not a huge red flag, but 

1121
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,920
it's enough for me to be like, I
think Jacob's signing that tag 

1122
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:44,240
and they're going to ride him 
all season. 

1123
00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:45,400
Like, why don't I just take 
Jacobs? 

1124
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:49,880
Yeah, that's good. 
Jacobs is very attractable too. 

1125
00:53:51,250 --> 00:53:54,490
This is the spot I basically 
envisioned. 

1126
00:53:54,490 --> 00:53:57,970
We'd be in Kittle slides all the
way to 66. 

1127
00:53:57,970 --> 00:54:02,650
JSN comes off the board at 67. 
This isn't your normal ship 

1128
00:54:02,650 --> 00:54:04,770
chasing room. 
Those guys would be fixtures of 

1129
00:54:04,770 --> 00:54:08,450
the fifth round. 
Pits does fall to us. 

1130
00:54:08,450 --> 00:54:12,690
I have a feeling if you guys 
want to do pits, we're going to 

1131
00:54:12,690 --> 00:54:14,610
probably still like the wide 
receiver that comes back. 

1132
00:54:14,850 --> 00:54:18,050
To us at 7 too. 
We got London. 

1133
00:54:18,910 --> 00:54:20,270
We're going straight. 
Desmond Ritter. 

1134
00:54:20,270 --> 00:54:21,630
Double stuff. 
Let's go. 

1135
00:54:22,230 --> 00:54:23,750
We do we. 
I'm in on Ritter by the way. 

1136
00:54:23,750 --> 00:54:25,510
I finally I've come around on. 
Ritter Let's do it. 

1137
00:54:25,590 --> 00:54:27,030
Owl. 
But you guys got me on. 

1138
00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:27,870
Ritter. 
I'm in. 

1139
00:54:27,870 --> 00:54:30,510
All right, all right. 
You know who got me with Sean? 

1140
00:54:30,550 --> 00:54:31,350
Sean. 
Worth that. 

1141
00:54:31,350 --> 00:54:32,990
Yeah. 
Good ass. 

1142
00:54:35,070 --> 00:54:37,990
And he didn't even. 
Here's how good Sean is. 

1143
00:54:38,310 --> 00:54:40,750
He didn't even write the Ritter 
article. 

1144
00:54:41,370 --> 00:54:44,250
He wrote the preamble to what I 
knew was going to be the Ritter 

1145
00:54:44,250 --> 00:54:48,890
article and I was like, fine, I 
know, I know you're going to 

1146
00:54:48,890 --> 00:54:51,770
sell later. 
I can already tell I'm going to 

1147
00:54:51,770 --> 00:54:55,010
be sold later, so I might as 
well just get on board now and 

1148
00:54:55,250 --> 00:54:59,970
and retreat to my anti howl base
and see if I can fight them up 

1149
00:54:59,970 --> 00:55:01,410
there. 
I'm losing this Ritter battle. 

1150
00:55:01,890 --> 00:55:03,810
Well, you're losing. 
You're losing the howl battle 

1151
00:55:03,810 --> 00:55:05,890
pad. 
All we do is draft howl together

1152
00:55:05,890 --> 00:55:10,480
on the street. 
Man, we're gonna four straight, 

1153
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,400
five straight receivers. 
Wait. 

1154
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:16,560
Wait till Jahan Dotson makes it 
back to us here and then it sets

1155
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:19,520
up the Sam Howell build. 
Ohh. 

1156
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:21,560
God pickins. 
You pickins. 

1157
00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:24,800
We'll take pickins, double s. 
Let's go, pickins. 

1158
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,000
I mean, look at that. 
Yeah. 

1159
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:28,640
Wow. 
We are all right. 

1160
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:32,920
This is a Picket Ritter special.
Let's go. 

1161
00:55:34,050 --> 00:55:35,370
We're just banking on scrambles 
like this. 

1162
00:55:35,890 --> 00:55:38,010
Guys, I I do. 
I will be the voice of reason 

1163
00:55:38,010 --> 00:55:40,890
here and say this is not A2 
quarterback build. 

1164
00:55:41,130 --> 00:55:42,690
This is not A2 quarterback 
build. 

1165
00:55:43,130 --> 00:55:45,130
Thank you, Chris. 
Absolutely, you're right, an. 

1166
00:55:45,170 --> 00:55:46,610
Unstacked Sam Howe kind of 
rounds. 

1167
00:55:47,610 --> 00:55:48,250
Oh. 
God. 

1168
00:55:50,530 --> 00:55:53,770
Mac Jones bring back. 
Now I will like all jokes aside,

1169
00:55:54,330 --> 00:55:57,170
pretty, pretty fits. 
Nice with those two. 

1170
00:55:57,610 --> 00:55:59,010
Yeah, fits. 
Yeah. 

1171
00:55:59,970 --> 00:56:01,090
Oh yeah. 
I was just thinking that. 

1172
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,880
In, in hindsight if we would 
have, I mean Debo almost made it

1173
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,080
back in the. 
Fall. 

1174
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:08,600
Yeah, yeah. 
Wow. 

1175
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,320
Yes, someone someone in the chat
said they've been seeing Debo 

1176
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,680
fall in their rooms. 
I'm I'm trying to see like I 

1177
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:15,880
haven't. 
Really seen Debo fall. 

1178
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:17,760
I've seen Drake London fall a 
lot. 

1179
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:21,120
I got him in the fifth round, 
the late 5th round of a draft. 

1180
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:25,920
He also goes really late on 
DraftKings and I wonder if like 

1181
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:30,400
the platforms are kind of like 
starting to cross pollinate a 

1182
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:31,730
little more. 
Or something. 

1183
00:56:31,730 --> 00:56:34,650
Yeah, interesting. 
You know what I mean? 

1184
00:56:36,330 --> 00:56:38,730
So I don't know, I don't know 
what's going on, but he there 

1185
00:56:38,730 --> 00:56:41,730
was a huge gap between where 
London goes like London's more 

1186
00:56:41,730 --> 00:56:45,810
of like a mid 5th rounder on 
DraftKings and he's like a early

1187
00:56:45,810 --> 00:56:49,050
4th rounder on Underdog. 
And it seems like the underdog 

1188
00:56:49,050 --> 00:56:51,330
ADP is meeting at the DraftKings
ADP a little bit. 

1189
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:55,320
Yeah, I know. 
I mean, I I know do you know, 

1190
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,520
DraftKings has been running a 
bunch of their promotions, 

1191
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,760
giving out tickets and stuff, 
although that accounts for like 

1192
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:02,120
underdog drafters going over 
there. 

1193
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:04,720
I don't know what's what's 
pulling DraftKings drafters. 

1194
00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:07,320
Over it is. 
It is interesting when you're on

1195
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,760
DraftKings you're like, ooh, I 
kind of like this like you. 

1196
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:12,840
Yeah. 
It probably tricks you a little 

1197
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:15,400
bit like you know you don't want
to if you get London in the 5th 

1198
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,360
a bunch on DraftKings, you don't
want to come over and take 

1199
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,800
London in the early 4th on 
Underdog, right? 

1200
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:21,640
You're like, alright, I'm 
getting, I'm getting. 

1201
00:57:22,140 --> 00:57:26,540
Mid 5th London I'll take you 
know Mclaurin or whatever. 

1202
00:57:26,860 --> 00:57:28,980
The Mclaurin goes really late on
DraftKings too for some reason 

1203
00:57:28,980 --> 00:57:31,620
I. 
Didn't get that either. 

1204
00:57:31,620 --> 00:57:33,740
I'm not sure why Mclaurin falls 
on DraftKings. 

1205
00:57:35,380 --> 00:57:37,940
I don't know. 
I mean, the receivers in general

1206
00:57:37,940 --> 00:57:44,780
go a little later on DraftKings,
funnily enough, but not all of 

1207
00:57:44,780 --> 00:57:46,580
them. 
There's like certain guys that 

1208
00:57:46,700 --> 00:57:49,940
that are a little bit more in 
line with their underdog Adp's, 

1209
00:57:50,300 --> 00:57:53,310
yeah. 
Chris, how what is kind of like 

1210
00:57:53,310 --> 00:57:57,110
your overall portfolio of a best
ball mania teams or even just 

1211
00:57:57,110 --> 00:58:00,910
kind of on underdog like 
structurally have there been 

1212
00:58:00,910 --> 00:58:04,630
things that you've been trying 
to accomplish or stuff you find 

1213
00:58:04,630 --> 00:58:08,430
yourself doing a lot? 
From a structure standpoint it's

1214
00:58:08,470 --> 00:58:13,790
I've typically gone the what 
2583 route just looking at mid 

1215
00:58:13,910 --> 00:58:18,070
and mid and late tight ends 
because I've been favoring more 

1216
00:58:18,070 --> 00:58:21,680
of like the. 
Pat Firemuth all the way back to

1217
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,320
like Luke Musgrave, like all of 
those guys. 

1218
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,280
And because of the games that 
I've typically been stacking, 

1219
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,480
like I'm really digging the like
the Green Bay, Minnesota game. 

1220
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:36,160
So if I can work in any of the 
like Green Bay guys like even 

1221
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:38,280
drafted Jordan Love like a 
couple of times those have been 

1222
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:39,960
like definitely like 3 
quarterback teams. 

1223
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:42,760
But liking where like you can 
get like Luke Musgrave and like 

1224
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:46,320
some of those other guys, Jaden 
Reed been grabbing him a little 

1225
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,000
bit like towards the back in the
drafts. 

1226
00:58:49,450 --> 00:58:51,770
But yeah, from a structure 
standpoint it's typically been 

1227
00:58:51,770 --> 00:58:56,250
like 2583 had some three 
quarterback teams like mixing in

1228
00:58:56,850 --> 00:59:00,170
like Kirk to a like that 
typically in that quarterback 

1229
00:59:00,170 --> 00:59:01,770
round. 
But again like picking up the 

1230
00:59:01,770 --> 00:59:06,890
same types of tight ends. 
But yeah like also looking at a 

1231
00:59:06,890 --> 00:59:10,930
lot of the mid round RB values 
so from. 

1232
00:59:11,370 --> 00:59:15,090
For shot White to back to like 
Gibson that you can get like in 

1233
00:59:15,090 --> 00:59:18,210
the tenish round, like somewhere
in there really liking like some

1234
00:59:18,210 --> 00:59:20,930
of those guys, especially if you
do these wide receiver heavy 

1235
00:59:20,930 --> 00:59:23,450
drafts that we're seeing right 
now, yeah. 

1236
00:59:25,470 --> 00:59:30,190
We are about to pick at 8-9 our 
team here through 7 rounds. 

1237
00:59:30,190 --> 00:59:33,790
Christian McCaffrey, Anchor 
Devonta Smith, Keenan Allen, 

1238
00:59:34,030 --> 00:59:37,350
Drake London, Deonte Johnson, 
George Pickens and Kyle Pitts. 

1239
00:59:38,230 --> 00:59:40,270
Nice build here. 
Man. 

1240
00:59:40,270 --> 00:59:41,870
The tight ends really falling in
these rooms. 

1241
00:59:41,870 --> 00:59:43,710
Dallas Cotter, It's still on the
board here. 

1242
00:59:44,350 --> 00:59:49,830
At if he gets to us, I just 
think we spent a 6th rounder on 

1243
00:59:50,190 --> 00:59:51,550
Pitts. 
So like, technically we didn't 

1244
00:59:51,550 --> 00:59:54,130
even go elite tight ends. 
So, like virtually, there's 

1245
00:59:54,130 --> 00:59:56,410
nothing wrong with going 6:00 
and 8:00. 

1246
00:59:56,450 --> 00:59:58,650
And we have a bet on the Eagles 
with Devonta. 

1247
00:59:59,250 --> 00:59:59,890
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1248
01:00:00,210 --> 01:00:02,610
So I I think it's kind of an 
yeah. 

1249
01:00:02,610 --> 01:00:04,650
We take him if he gets it also. 
Kind of does. 

1250
01:00:04,730 --> 01:00:07,370
Go there. 
I mean, yeah, he, he goes bully 

1251
01:00:07,370 --> 01:00:10,570
with Kelsey, yeah. 
But I I don't mind it. 

1252
01:00:11,330 --> 01:00:14,530
Yeah, all right. 
This does feel like a running 

1253
01:00:14,530 --> 01:00:16,290
back pick here. 
Do you guys have a favorite? 

1254
01:00:17,170 --> 01:00:21,050
I would be fine with Jovante. 
I know John's getting pretty 

1255
01:00:21,050 --> 01:00:22,370
bullish on him the reports are 
getting. 

1256
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,200
Fairly bullish. 
Bring back on Kenny. 

1257
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:27,520
Yep. 
You go with that. 

1258
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:28,960
That's a good call. 
I like it. 

1259
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:33,440
Yeah, I I think the Javante 
stuff's interesting and I know I

1260
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:36,240
think Jacob Sanderson had a good
tweet about it too. 

1261
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:38,200
And I was writing about it for 
the newsletter the other day 

1262
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:42,680
where it was like I had written 
about Javante and the team and 

1263
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:44,800
Peyton had like bullish comments
about him being ready for 

1264
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:46,280
training camp. 
That was in mid-May. 

1265
01:00:46,740 --> 01:00:50,060
And his ADP had fallen around 
and a half since then and 

1266
01:00:50,060 --> 01:00:52,820
literally nothing has happened. 
Like after they signed P Ryan 

1267
01:00:53,060 --> 01:00:56,180
didn't draft a running back, 
didn't do anything they say, 

1268
01:00:56,180 --> 01:00:58,580
like on track, on track, no 
setbacks. 

1269
01:00:58,580 --> 01:01:03,700
And his Adp's been falling And 
it's it's kind of weird why that

1270
01:01:03,700 --> 01:01:06,500
is, but I I definitely like the 
price in this range. 

1271
01:01:06,780 --> 01:01:11,500
Yeah. 
Yeah, I think he could rise to a

1272
01:01:11,500 --> 01:01:14,810
uncomfortable level. 
And I don't have a ton of him. 

1273
01:01:14,810 --> 01:01:18,050
So I'm I've been sort of like 
you know he might just keep 

1274
01:01:18,050 --> 01:01:21,930
falling but I don't think he's 
going to keep falling now. 

1275
01:01:22,290 --> 01:01:26,370
And I also do not want to take 
him and it's like a sixth round 

1276
01:01:26,370 --> 01:01:29,090
or something like I that's where
it starts to get really. 

1277
01:01:29,770 --> 01:01:33,450
I just am worried about you know
what he looks like this season, 

1278
01:01:33,450 --> 01:01:35,690
how much upside he really has 
coming off that multi ligament 

1279
01:01:35,690 --> 01:01:37,930
tear. 
So yeah, I think I think the 

1280
01:01:37,930 --> 01:01:40,810
bottom is in on Giovante was 
around the tenth round. 

1281
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:43,960
Congratulations if you got him. 
I didn't really get much. 

1282
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:48,400
But I would almost rather like 
once Jovantes ADP starts to 

1283
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:52,600
spike, my assumption is that 
Semaj's ADP drops a little bit. 

1284
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:57,080
Yeah, then I want to scoop that.
Yeah, I think that's a really 

1285
01:01:57,520 --> 01:01:59,760
good call and I think you can 
still take both of them. 

1286
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:03,240
I think you can play that 
backfield basically any way you 

1287
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:06,680
want. 
Charbonne goes into the board, 

1288
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:09,360
we're sudden. 
Here based on. 

1289
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,880
That button too. 
I have the Denver Lac stuff. 

1290
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:15,560
I think he's pretty undervalued.
I've made the case that I think 

1291
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:17,200
he's inside the wide receiver 
window. 

1292
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,560
I think a lot of people are 
thinking he's outside and a 

1293
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:22,560
boring player. 
But and doing the projections 

1294
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:26,200
again, I didn't feel like 
digging into it again with the 

1295
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:27,760
projections. 
Nothing cut everyone off. 

1296
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:29,520
Is everyone cool with him? 
Yeah. 

1297
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:30,200
Yeah. 
Be cool that first. 

1298
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:33,480
No, that's what I like. 
Yeah, yeah, OK Just I I came 

1299
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:36,760
around to like, I think there's 
a case for him like his his 

1300
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:39,180
target sprout run. 
His way to target front run, 

1301
01:02:39,180 --> 01:02:42,180
very solid last year like the 
efficiency was bad, but we know 

1302
01:02:42,180 --> 01:02:44,620
Russ was bad and like if the 
offense does take a step 

1303
01:02:44,620 --> 01:02:46,460
forward, if you're playing 
Denver, it was his lowest yards 

1304
01:02:46,460 --> 01:02:51,540
for target of his career. 
But you know still solid range 

1305
01:02:51,540 --> 01:02:55,660
in terms of volume drawing. 
And that was actually kind of a 

1306
01:02:55,660 --> 01:02:58,380
little bullish because we know 
that a lot of teams were playing

1307
01:02:58,380 --> 01:03:01,100
the cover too deep shell and a 
lot of these deep threats were 

1308
01:03:01,260 --> 01:03:04,620
did see their targets for outrun
decline like Mike Williams had a

1309
01:03:04,620 --> 01:03:07,360
down year in that regard. 
Gabe Davis had a down year in 

1310
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:10,200
that regard. 
George Pickens efficient first 

1311
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:12,400
year but didn't really have a 
strong talks about run with this

1312
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:15,720
high a dot it was it was hard 
for all quarterbacks to push the

1313
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:18,040
ball down to Chris you mentioned
earlier some of these 

1314
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:19,800
quarterbacks a dots have fallen 
the league wide. 

1315
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:23,720
A dot fell quite a bit last year
but Sutton still earned some 

1316
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:26,760
pretty solid volume for a guy 
with a 13 + a dot. 

1317
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:29,520
He just wasn't efficient and 
part of that's like OK, well 

1318
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:32,400
Russ was like chucking at 9-9 
yards out of bounds. 

1319
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:34,800
Like if Sean Payton can develop 
the offense a little bit. 

1320
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:38,940
I still think Sutton's like. 
He last last year was supposed 

1321
01:03:38,940 --> 01:03:40,620
to be OK. 
He's the second year removed 

1322
01:03:40,620 --> 01:03:45,100
from the ACL. 2021 wasn't great.
He obviously didn't get anything

1323
01:03:45,100 --> 01:03:49,140
in 2020 because he tore the ACL.
2019 you all the way back was a 

1324
01:03:49,140 --> 01:03:50,140
year two. 
He was good. 

1325
01:03:50,540 --> 01:03:53,780
So you'll get 2020, he gets 
hurt. 2021 first year back kind 

1326
01:03:53,780 --> 01:03:55,620
of write that off. 
Last year was supposed to be the

1327
01:03:55,660 --> 01:03:57,260
OK. 
He's his second year back. 

1328
01:03:57,580 --> 01:04:01,490
He can be good and he wasn't. 
But I'm basically, I'm arguing 

1329
01:04:01,490 --> 01:04:04,130
that I don't think there's 
anything underlying it other 

1330
01:04:04,130 --> 01:04:07,530
than some efficiency issues that
were, you know, sort of systemic

1331
01:04:07,530 --> 01:04:09,930
to the whole Denver offense. 
There's not really anything in 

1332
01:04:09,930 --> 01:04:11,850
there that's like, OK, well, 
he's definitely bad. 

1333
01:04:11,850 --> 01:04:14,490
Now let me get you happy. 
Go ahead. 

1334
01:04:14,890 --> 01:04:19,810
So 81 wide receivers were 
tracked last year in ESPN's Open

1335
01:04:19,810 --> 01:04:21,810
Score. 
Where do you think Jerry Judy 

1336
01:04:21,810 --> 01:04:24,370
finished out of the 81 and where
do you think Cortland Sutton 

1337
01:04:24,370 --> 01:04:27,530
finished? 
I would say Judy. 

1338
01:04:28,750 --> 01:04:30,630
Yeah, I know it's a trick 
question, but I would definitely

1339
01:04:31,230 --> 01:04:32,550
like. 
Quietly ahead of him. 

1340
01:04:32,630 --> 01:04:37,230
Like 75 and 76. 
Judy was 11th and Sutton was 

1341
01:04:37,230 --> 01:04:37,670
12th. 
Dang. 

1342
01:04:38,670 --> 01:04:41,190
Wow. 
OK, And Russell Wilson still 

1343
01:04:41,190 --> 01:04:43,150
sucked? 
Yep, that's. 

1344
01:04:44,350 --> 01:04:48,150
Even that's terrible. 
That's Russ Sutton's catch. 

1345
01:04:48,150 --> 01:04:52,870
Score was 25, which is extremely
low. 

1346
01:04:52,870 --> 01:04:56,950
Only Romeo Dobbs and Debo Samuel
finish lower than that. 

1347
01:04:57,770 --> 01:05:01,450
That to me feels like I'll fade 
that part. 

1348
01:05:02,010 --> 01:05:04,530
You know especially if 
especially if we're talking 

1349
01:05:04,530 --> 01:05:07,610
about him running more slants 
and maybe getting used with like

1350
01:05:07,610 --> 01:05:11,730
a little bit of a lower a dot 
like we all we know that drops 

1351
01:05:11,730 --> 01:05:13,970
and stuff like that. 
We don't want to be focused on 

1352
01:05:13,970 --> 01:05:16,250
the catch part so much of why 
we're zero and be focused on the

1353
01:05:16,250 --> 01:05:19,210
can you get open part. 
Yeah and it looks like he can 

1354
01:05:19,210 --> 01:05:21,170
still get open. 
I think the narrative of he's he

1355
01:05:21,170 --> 01:05:23,050
didn't make it back from the ACL
is just. 

1356
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:25,520
Is is actually this like 
completely wrong? 

1357
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:27,320
Like that's not backed up by the
data I don't think. 

1358
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:29,760
Yeah, yeah, that's, that's the 
point I was trying to make, 

1359
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:31,560
Kobraka says. 
Was something good or did he 

1360
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:33,160
just get that massive target 
share that one year? 

1361
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:35,480
The point I was trying to make 
is that one year was his year 2 

1362
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:37,920
breakout towards ACL, year 
three. 

1363
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:40,120
And then, you know, it's 
basically been year four, year 

1364
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:41,920
five since that. 
It's weird that, you know, we're

1365
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:43,640
five years in. 
We don't really know. 

1366
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:46,480
But my point is we don't know 
and we're getting a price here 

1367
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:48,480
where it's still an upside 
profile. 

1368
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:50,960
That's the argument is the 
inside the wide receiver window,

1369
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:53,710
does he have an upside profile? 
I think he still does. 

1370
01:05:53,790 --> 01:05:57,070
Like, I still think he could be 
a guy who could have, you know, 

1371
01:05:57,070 --> 01:06:00,150
be a fifth round pick next year.
Basically, he can rise several 

1372
01:06:00,150 --> 01:06:02,150
rounds at ADP. 
There's other receivers in this 

1373
01:06:02,150 --> 01:06:04,790
range that can't. 
Heather Void can't rise. 

1374
01:06:05,030 --> 01:06:08,550
You know that much in ADP. 
No, I mean, dude, he was the 

1375
01:06:08,550 --> 01:06:11,550
market insisted that he go at 
the end of the third round last 

1376
01:06:11,550 --> 01:06:12,790
year. 
It was crazy. 

1377
01:06:12,790 --> 01:06:14,230
If you were like, I actually 
prefer Judy. 

1378
01:06:14,230 --> 01:06:15,670
They were like, you're a fucking
idiot. 

1379
01:06:16,190 --> 01:06:20,150
Like, it was not, it wasn't. 
They weren't cool about it, you 

1380
01:06:20,150 --> 01:06:22,670
know. 
Like it really worked. 

1381
01:06:23,110 --> 01:06:27,830
So, like, I guess I'm now kind 
of, OK, wait, now we like, can't

1382
01:06:27,830 --> 01:06:31,030
take Sutton at all. 
Like, what's going on? 

1383
01:06:31,270 --> 01:06:32,750
It's very odd to me. 
Is over. 

1384
01:06:33,630 --> 01:06:37,270
It's very strange. 
We're on the clock here. 

1385
01:06:37,270 --> 01:06:41,440
I would put in a vote for. 
I think one of the one of the 

1386
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:43,120
running backs, I think Robinson 
I was. 

1387
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:45,720
Gonna say Robinson or a chain, 
but I don't know if you guys 

1388
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:48,160
have anything else. 
Do you guys care about Robinson?

1389
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:52,120
CMC Week 17? 
No, not really. 

1390
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:54,520
All right, What do you got? 
Chris, Give me a name. 

1391
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:56,680
A chain. 
Let's do it. 

1392
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:03,880
Yeah, I like. 
I think of those guys. 

1393
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:05,840
It was it was between Robinson 
and a chain. 

1394
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:10,200
For me there, I think the CMC 
gives us easily. 

1395
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:12,640
Harris for me there, Yeah. 
Why is it not Harris? 

1396
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:14,880
It would be Harris or Robinson 
for me. 

1397
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:15,800
And I'm really. 
Thinking about. 

1398
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:19,320
It more for well, partly because
we got Jovante, so we want the 

1399
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:23,040
early season stuff a little bit 
more and. 

1400
01:07:23,660 --> 01:07:24,620
Probably. 
I think Harris. 

1401
01:07:24,620 --> 01:07:26,460
I think Harris has a lot of 
upside in that backfield. 

1402
01:07:26,580 --> 01:07:29,060
Yeah, I. 
Mean my thing is just market 

1403
01:07:29,060 --> 01:07:31,300
based. 
I mean the the reports with him 

1404
01:07:31,860 --> 01:07:34,180
competing with Latavius Murray 
for that role, I think we're 

1405
01:07:34,180 --> 01:07:38,140
getting Damien Harris and I'm 
not even saying that like he's 

1406
01:07:38,140 --> 01:07:39,620
not gonna beat him out. 
I'm just saying I think we're 

1407
01:07:39,620 --> 01:07:42,780
gonna get cheaper Damien Harris.
I I missed that on on my 

1408
01:07:42,780 --> 01:07:45,100
vacations. 
So that's why I said why, why 

1409
01:07:45,100 --> 01:07:47,420
isn't it Damien Harris, that's 
fair, That's a good, that's a 

1410
01:07:47,420 --> 01:07:51,270
good answer to that question. 
Yeah, who know? 

1411
01:07:51,270 --> 01:07:54,270
I mean, it seems like insane 
that Damian Harris couldn't beat

1412
01:07:54,270 --> 01:07:57,590
out Latavius Murray, but 
Latavius has been hanging around

1413
01:07:57,590 --> 01:08:01,790
like and Ben a Thorn, hit a lot,
like he was pretty good a few 

1414
01:08:01,790 --> 01:08:03,990
games for the Broncos down the 
stretch last year. 

1415
01:08:04,470 --> 01:08:07,910
I think what one thing Harris 
has gone for him is he's been a 

1416
01:08:07,910 --> 01:08:10,630
very solid pass blocker and 
actually like vehicle yards per 

1417
01:08:10,630 --> 01:08:14,910
hour and stuff, actually totally
solid receiver and Cook was an 

1418
01:08:14,910 --> 01:08:16,470
atrocious pass blocker last 
year. 

1419
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:19,160
So I think it's a bit of a wide 
range of outcomes where he 

1420
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:21,520
either gets beaten up by Davis 
Murray, but I think on the 

1421
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:23,880
upside he like kind of does a 
Devon Singletary to that 

1422
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:25,680
backfield. 
We got 20 seconds. 

1423
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:29,920
This is a pretty Choose Your Out
Adventure flat spot here. 

1424
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:32,040
If you want some early season 
production, you could do Jamal 

1425
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:33,760
Williams. 
Yeah. 

1426
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:37,240
Or McKinnon. 
Yeah, is how likely is Russ to 

1427
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:38,960
make it back? 
Russ is gone. 

1428
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:41,240
Russ Wilson is running. 
Eighth round, another Another 

1429
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:44,720
running back. 
Yeah, I feel Jamal. 

1430
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:48,640
Yeah. 
So like to your point Pat, like 

1431
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:52,920
I think CMC does give us a 
decent amount of cover, but with

1432
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:55,359
Javante and a chain you could 
have guys that are just like 

1433
01:08:55,359 --> 01:08:58,120
zeros for the first. 
I like Jamal a lot with this 

1434
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:00,840
build and I don't really take 
Jamal a ton, but he he makes. 

1435
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:03,439
And when I said another running 
back at the last second, I said 

1436
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:05,200
it too late. 
I was wondering if like Warren 

1437
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,399
and and Kendra Miller were 
there, which I think I would, 

1438
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:08,520
yeah. 
Guys. 

1439
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:09,920
Ooh, that would have been a 
call. 

1440
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:11,279
Yeah. 
We could, we could have gone 

1441
01:09:11,279 --> 01:09:13,800
down and yeah, maybe we should 
have. 

1442
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:17,810
Went Yep, there you went. 
Yeah, I went to point out to you

1443
01:09:17,810 --> 01:09:19,770
guys, I didn't know if you guys 
had noticed that Russell Wilson 

1444
01:09:19,770 --> 01:09:21,689
went at pick 81. 
I saw that did not. 

1445
01:09:21,850 --> 01:09:25,569
I almost spit my drink out. 
Yeah, I mean, to be fair. 

1446
01:09:25,569 --> 01:09:27,649
I thought we were setting up a 
Rust thing this whole time. 

1447
01:09:29,810 --> 01:09:31,170
Oh, no, I do. 
That was long gone. 

1448
01:09:32,370 --> 01:09:34,170
I mean, I still like, I still 
like the charger with the 

1449
01:09:34,170 --> 01:09:35,729
running back and the wide 
receiver coming back. 

1450
01:09:35,729 --> 01:09:36,649
That's still fun. 
But. 

1451
01:09:36,850 --> 01:09:40,930
Yeah, what? 
What is your guys's read on ADP 

1452
01:09:40,930 --> 01:09:43,569
movement relative to the chimera
stuff? 

1453
01:09:43,569 --> 01:09:45,970
It seems like people are more 
bullish. 

1454
01:09:46,279 --> 01:09:49,080
On him now. 
Do you guys think we're getting 

1455
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:51,960
cheaper Jamal and cheaper Kendre
and more expensive Alvin? 

1456
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:53,160
Is that how this is gonna play 
out? 

1457
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:56,680
Probably. 
Yeah, I unfortunately think 

1458
01:09:56,960 --> 01:10:00,320
there's no argument for Jamal if
you're gonna get more bullish on

1459
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:02,520
Khmer, cuz Kendre is the one 
that's like. 

1460
01:10:02,930 --> 01:10:05,210
The talent based play. 
What is the argument in Jamal 

1461
01:10:05,210 --> 01:10:06,450
like? 
He wasn't even that efficient 

1462
01:10:06,450 --> 01:10:07,650
last year. 
He just scored a bunch of 

1463
01:10:07,650 --> 01:10:09,490
touchdowns. 
He wasn't very good last year, 

1464
01:10:09,490 --> 01:10:11,690
yeah, the success rate stuff 
that I looked at was actually 

1465
01:10:11,690 --> 01:10:14,210
quite poor for him. 
On this build, the argument for 

1466
01:10:14,210 --> 01:10:17,690
him is Kamara gets six games, 
Kendre's not ready and we get 

1467
01:10:17,690 --> 01:10:18,930
like Swag Daddy. 
Yeah. 

1468
01:10:18,930 --> 01:10:20,770
What do you get time for early 
season stuff Third. 

1469
01:10:21,130 --> 01:10:21,810
Yeah. 
Yeah, sure. 

1470
01:10:21,970 --> 01:10:23,410
He's. 
And so it's perfect on his back.

1471
01:10:23,690 --> 01:10:25,690
Yeah. 
Until Jovante is like back, 

1472
01:10:25,770 --> 01:10:27,370
like, yeah. 
Handling the majority of the 

1473
01:10:27,370 --> 01:10:28,410
workload. 
Yeah. 

1474
01:10:28,730 --> 01:10:31,570
Yeah, he's he's he's a a bridge 
running back. 

1475
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:37,680
But Kendra, I think can be good 
enough that like, because Kamara

1476
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:41,160
has not been a very good runner.
I think the argument for Kamara 

1477
01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:43,760
if you're playing him is that 
he's still pretty decent as a 

1478
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:47,200
receiver last year and like his 
earlier career stuff when he 

1479
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:50,520
wasn't carrying 200 times. 
That's like, you know, probably 

1480
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:54,160
a better touch mix for him, 150 
carries and more receiving. 

1481
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:56,880
But then it's like, OK, who's 
the other big runner? 

1482
01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:59,560
And I mean, Kendra, Ken, he's 
that profile, right? 

1483
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:01,800
Pat, like he's got size. 
He can be. 

1484
01:11:02,450 --> 01:11:05,610
Like I think from a talent based
perspective, he can take Russian

1485
01:11:05,610 --> 01:11:08,010
work from Camara, is what I'm 
saying, Jamal. 

1486
01:11:08,290 --> 01:11:11,290
That's why I just get it by 
default who he is, yeah, yeah. 

1487
01:11:11,530 --> 01:11:13,610
He's a big back. 
He's not. 

1488
01:11:14,010 --> 01:11:16,050
He's kind of like, he kind of 
runs like a little bit of a 

1489
01:11:16,050 --> 01:11:19,130
smaller back, but I like that. 
I kind of like, yeah, you know, 

1490
01:11:19,130 --> 01:11:21,050
what smaller backs do? 
They try to avoid people. 

1491
01:11:21,370 --> 01:11:23,250
Yeah, I like when. 
Big backs run. 

1492
01:11:23,250 --> 01:11:27,250
I guess if Tantra is not good, 
Jamal can just be the veteran 

1493
01:11:27,250 --> 01:11:30,970
who gets work right and then. 
Yeah, if Khmer comes back and 

1494
01:11:30,970 --> 01:11:34,570
isn't really good for whatever 
reason, maybe Jamal. 

1495
01:11:35,330 --> 01:11:39,210
I guess I want more than than 
like a six game limit for a 

1496
01:11:39,210 --> 01:11:40,730
running back in that range, you 
know what I mean? 

1497
01:11:41,490 --> 01:11:43,290
Yeah. 
Yeah, we. 

1498
01:11:44,090 --> 01:11:46,810
We're about to pick at the end 
of the 12th round here. 

1499
01:11:46,810 --> 01:11:49,450
Still no quarterbacks. 
We got 4 running backs CMC 

1500
01:11:49,450 --> 01:11:53,610
Javante, Devon A chain, Jamal 
Williams, wide receivers Devonta

1501
01:11:53,610 --> 01:11:55,810
Smith, Keenan, Alan Drakeland 
and Deonte Johnson, George 

1502
01:11:55,810 --> 01:11:59,010
Pickens, Cortland Sutton, Kyle 
Pitts at tight end. 

1503
01:12:01,050 --> 01:12:05,570
We should still definitely think
through if if we are doing a 3QB

1504
01:12:05,570 --> 01:12:09,690
build, we should think through. 
I think we or I guess Purdy 

1505
01:12:09,690 --> 01:12:11,570
gives us stuff. 
I was going to mention just 

1506
01:12:11,570 --> 01:12:14,650
throw a name out here of Rondell
Moore as a bring back with 

1507
01:12:14,650 --> 01:12:18,530
Devonta and maybe even being 
done at at wide receiver since 

1508
01:12:18,530 --> 01:12:21,330
we already have kind of like a 
lot of our other stacks set up. 

1509
01:12:22,570 --> 01:12:24,650
Even though we don't have a 
quarterback, I kind of would 

1510
01:12:24,650 --> 01:12:27,690
like to keep that wide receiver 
bullet and you know, if we can. 

1511
01:12:29,190 --> 01:12:31,750
Like we could do a Stafford 
right here and just like try to 

1512
01:12:31,750 --> 01:12:34,430
grab a a falling van or get it 
too, too late. 

1513
01:12:34,590 --> 01:12:37,030
Something like that. 
Taking Stafford with all these 

1514
01:12:37,030 --> 01:12:39,870
other stacks here With it you 
could do colliding Rondell 

1515
01:12:39,870 --> 01:12:42,750
Moore. 10. 30 You want to grab 
more? 

1516
01:12:42,790 --> 01:12:44,310
Go ahead, go. 
Ahead, the one thing I'll say, 

1517
01:12:44,310 --> 01:12:47,390
Pat, is like if there's a really
obvious wide receiver, I don't 

1518
01:12:47,390 --> 01:12:49,310
think it still precludes us from
getting to 8. 

1519
01:12:49,310 --> 01:12:52,430
Like we we're covered pretty 
well positionally, I feel like. 

1520
01:12:54,310 --> 01:13:00,300
Yeah, we could do 3/5. 82 The 
stack The stack option now is is

1521
01:13:00,380 --> 01:13:02,020
the third stack option is the 
Patriots. 

1522
01:13:02,020 --> 01:13:05,020
We have two tight end options to
be our tight end to we only have

1523
01:13:05,020 --> 01:13:07,740
one tight end you can play 
Gosicki or Hunter Henry with 

1524
01:13:07,740 --> 01:13:09,940
Mack Jones. 
It's the it's the easiest 

1525
01:13:09,940 --> 01:13:10,780
fucking thing to. 
Do well. 

1526
01:13:10,780 --> 01:13:13,980
The other thing too is Kyler now
fits with this build as well. 

1527
01:13:15,140 --> 01:13:19,060
Which is which? 
I like that, cuz I I mean you 

1528
01:13:19,060 --> 01:13:21,340
look, you get you got me on 
Ritter a little bit, but a 

1529
01:13:21,340 --> 01:13:23,500
picket Ritter. 
Quarterback room. 

1530
01:13:23,500 --> 01:13:25,340
I'm like, I really. 
Could no, we're we're all in 

1531
01:13:25,340 --> 01:13:27,180
agreement that it's three, I 
think no. 

1532
01:13:27,300 --> 01:13:29,620
No, I'm saying what I want in 
the quarterback profile is 

1533
01:13:29,740 --> 01:13:32,820
upside, not gotcha, not starts 
upside. 

1534
01:13:33,300 --> 01:13:35,580
OK. 
So you're saying that would push

1535
01:13:35,580 --> 01:13:40,340
you to Tyler over Purdy in that 
configuration? 

1536
01:13:41,420 --> 01:13:44,780
No, it'd be. 
Maybe not over Purdy, but over I

1537
01:13:44,820 --> 01:13:47,380
forget. 
Car or Joan? 

1538
01:13:47,380 --> 01:13:50,860
Back Jones or whatever. 
I like Roshon as our bring back 

1539
01:13:50,860 --> 01:13:52,340
for the. 
Atlanta Yeah, that's a good one.

1540
01:13:52,830 --> 01:13:54,950
That's a good play here. 
A running back pick here. 

1541
01:13:55,110 --> 01:13:56,550
Rochon Love. 
It, yeah, yeah. 

1542
01:13:57,670 --> 01:13:58,830
I keep forgetting. 
We get the yeah. 

1543
01:14:00,750 --> 01:14:02,990
I've tended more towards Donta 
Foreman. 

1544
01:14:02,990 --> 01:14:05,550
That's just after looking at 
some stuff like his efficiency 

1545
01:14:05,550 --> 01:14:07,950
stats, like after CMC left, but 
I think. 

1546
01:14:07,950 --> 01:14:09,430
Rochon's fine. 
He was awesome. 

1547
01:14:09,990 --> 01:14:13,710
Yeah. 
I'm also, I'm not opposed to of 

1548
01:14:13,750 --> 01:14:16,070
I mean those guys are so cheap 
in Foreman Falls. 

1549
01:14:16,070 --> 01:14:17,350
Like that's definitely a 
backfield. 

1550
01:14:17,350 --> 01:14:20,190
I don't mind yeah. 
Taking it twice, yeah. 

1551
01:14:22,350 --> 01:14:26,510
Yeah. 
Do you think too, like because 

1552
01:14:26,510 --> 01:14:28,790
the way I've been thinking about
it and tell me if it's wrong is 

1553
01:14:28,790 --> 01:14:31,230
that kind of what's exciting 
about Rochon is if he gets the 

1554
01:14:31,230 --> 01:14:34,510
pass catching work there and 
then you know Foreman, we know 

1555
01:14:34,510 --> 01:14:37,710
who Foreman is too. 
Like where I I don't like if 

1556
01:14:37,710 --> 01:14:40,710
something happened to Herbert or
whatever they the new staff just

1557
01:14:40,710 --> 01:14:44,830
doesn't like him as much like a 
Rochon Foreman 1-2 Punch. 

1558
01:14:44,830 --> 01:14:47,950
Like I can see how that would 
work out for both of them. 

1559
01:14:49,690 --> 01:14:51,370
I want to go back to our 
quarterback thing. 

1560
01:14:51,530 --> 01:14:54,130
I disagree with Pat on the 
upside thing. 

1561
01:14:54,130 --> 01:14:57,250
We have two double s, and I 
think Pickett and Ritter both 

1562
01:14:57,370 --> 01:15:01,050
run enough that they clearly 
have weekly quarterback upside. 

1563
01:15:01,050 --> 01:15:03,850
Like, I don't what What is 
upside at quarterback? 

1564
01:15:03,850 --> 01:15:06,450
Like? 
You can spike touchdowns, 30 

1565
01:15:06,450 --> 01:15:09,370
rushing yards and have a third 
like Mitch Trubisky used to have

1566
01:15:10,210 --> 01:15:12,770
Millie Maker winning upside on a
weekly basis. 

1567
01:15:13,330 --> 01:15:15,650
He's not like that much more of 
a runner than what we're saying.

1568
01:15:15,650 --> 01:15:18,090
Reddit or Pickett can be like 
those those. 

1569
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:19,960
That's what. 
That's what quarterback is in 

1570
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:21,760
fantasy, right? 
Like if you look pretty under. 

1571
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:26,520
Powered If I go into a DFS 
tournament with Pickett or or 

1572
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:28,480
Ritter, I feel pretty under 
powered at the position. 

1573
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:31,320
So I'm just saying I think to me
I want the. 

1574
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:34,920
In in any given week in DFS, I 
agree with that. 

1575
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:37,720
I'm saying that when you have 3 
quarterbacks in best ball and 

1576
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:41,720
you could automatically put the 
top score into your lineup, I 

1577
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:44,520
don't think you have to have 
like like a rush, like a Kyla 

1578
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:46,880
rushing profile to have upside. 
It's a point in making. 

1579
01:15:47,410 --> 01:15:49,650
So you're saying he has a lot 
more upside in the, I mean 

1580
01:15:49,650 --> 01:15:51,850
that's why you would draft Kyler
because there's a chance he 

1581
01:15:51,850 --> 01:15:56,130
might not even play this year. 
So he is like the biggest upside

1582
01:15:56,130 --> 01:15:58,890
guy on the board without 
question at this point. 

1583
01:15:59,290 --> 01:16:00,570
Otherwise you wouldn't take him 
at all. 

1584
01:16:01,170 --> 01:16:02,890
Right, right. 
That's sort of. 

1585
01:16:02,890 --> 01:16:05,410
But my argument is like, it's 
maybe not even worth the risk 

1586
01:16:05,410 --> 01:16:08,410
for the cases that you've 
already made about starts, 

1587
01:16:08,410 --> 01:16:10,570
risks. 
I think he's kind of fool's gold

1588
01:16:10,570 --> 01:16:12,370
because I don't think he's gonna
run as much when he comes. 

1589
01:16:12,450 --> 01:16:14,500
I don't draft a lot of Kyler. 
I don't like. 

1590
01:16:14,580 --> 01:16:17,940
Tyler Yeah, I just it we were so
late and I'm like like Stafford 

1591
01:16:17,940 --> 01:16:20,540
to me has upside because they 
might just throw a bunch. 

1592
01:16:21,020 --> 01:16:23,540
But I think the thing with 
Ritter that's tough is like we 

1593
01:16:23,540 --> 01:16:25,340
know they don't want to throw. 
They probably. 

1594
01:16:25,340 --> 01:16:28,220
Throw We're playing both London 
and Pitts, yeah, So we're 

1595
01:16:28,260 --> 01:16:30,700
playing them to throw we're. 
Playing with throw, but we're 

1596
01:16:30,700 --> 01:16:32,540
playing would be the Seahawks, 
right? 

1597
01:16:32,540 --> 01:16:33,780
We're not playing. 
They're still not gonna throw a 

1598
01:16:33,780 --> 01:16:35,620
lot. 
You know, Geo was like. 

1599
01:16:35,740 --> 01:16:37,620
High win rate player. 
Last year he had upside. 

1600
01:16:37,940 --> 01:16:40,740
Yeah, they were what, top ten? 
That's right, over expectation. 

1601
01:16:40,980 --> 01:16:43,380
He had a lot of upside from a 
Get me there. 

1602
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:47,800
But I don't think even if you 
got there, you weren't super 

1603
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:51,560
psyched with having Gino as your
upside play in the final week. 

1604
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:54,000
I just I. 
Think you want. 

1605
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:59,120
And just to put my Week 17 hat 
on, I am in a side on like the 

1606
01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:00,640
Kyler side. 
We didn't get dots in. 

1607
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:03,200
We didn't build out anything 
with that Niners Commanders 

1608
01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:04,640
game. 
We passed on Robinson. 

1609
01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:08,000
I do like the idea of building 
out the Rhonda. 

1610
01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:10,760
With the devonte. 
Bring back like that is the 

1611
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:12,940
more. 
You know, levering up that 

1612
01:17:12,940 --> 01:17:15,420
specific team, like if we are 
looking for a tiebreaker there, 

1613
01:17:15,500 --> 01:17:18,180
honestly this room will probably
decide it for us to just. 

1614
01:17:18,180 --> 01:17:20,500
Based on what comes. 
Like my main case was I didn't 

1615
01:17:20,500 --> 01:17:23,580
think we like had to have Kyler.
I guess that's where I would 

1616
01:17:23,580 --> 01:17:24,900
would describe I. 
Don't think we have to have them

1617
01:17:24,900 --> 01:17:27,260
either. 
I I was kind of more framing it 

1618
01:17:27,260 --> 01:17:33,580
against like a guy like Carr who
I floated but I think Purdy has 

1619
01:17:33,580 --> 01:17:36,140
upside just cuz the offense is 
so good and scores so many 

1620
01:17:36,140 --> 01:17:39,460
points so I don't yeah I. 
Wouldn't And then bitter pick 

1621
01:17:39,460 --> 01:17:42,420
it, I think. 
For the same reason I I think 

1622
01:17:42,420 --> 01:17:44,620
you're right that they probably 
don't, but once you double stack

1623
01:17:44,620 --> 01:17:47,340
both of them, you're kind of 
saying they they have to have 

1624
01:17:47,340 --> 01:17:49,620
that right? 
Yeah, the same way Purdy does. 

1625
01:17:50,140 --> 01:17:52,860
So how do we wanna play this ADP
wise? 

1626
01:17:53,900 --> 01:17:58,260
Losing Pickett is gonna hurt far
more than losing Kyler. 

1627
01:17:58,260 --> 01:18:01,020
All of these teams have two 
quarterbacks between us. 

1628
01:18:01,100 --> 01:18:04,100
How do you guys wanna play it? 
I'm ongoing picket picket 

1629
01:18:04,780 --> 01:18:07,980
because Purdy is our our 
alternate off Kyler. 

1630
01:18:08,380 --> 01:18:11,710
Yeah, correct. 
And like Stafford and Love being

1631
01:18:11,710 --> 01:18:16,470
there for cover, Like we're 
probably gonna still get right 

1632
01:18:16,870 --> 01:18:19,830
our boy, right? 
Unless they all have two 

1633
01:18:19,830 --> 01:18:21,150
quarterbacks. 
They all have elite 

1634
01:18:21,150 --> 01:18:23,990
quarterbacks, too. 
Mahone's Allen hurt, so they'd 

1635
01:18:23,990 --> 01:18:27,510
be taking a third and they all 
have their second in the mid. 

1636
01:18:27,830 --> 01:18:28,990
Too. 
So yeah, then we should be. 

1637
01:18:29,030 --> 01:18:30,350
Clear. 
We're gonna get Pickett and 

1638
01:18:30,350 --> 01:18:32,110
Kyler, right? 
I mean, that's gotta be. 

1639
01:18:32,540 --> 01:18:34,620
Yep. 
Cuz if anyone does take a QB, 

1640
01:18:34,620 --> 01:18:36,780
they're gonna take probably a 
staffer, I mean. 

1641
01:18:36,940 --> 01:18:38,300
I don't. 
It is the decision you have to 

1642
01:18:38,300 --> 01:18:39,660
make. 
Like Ritter should be there at 

1643
01:18:39,660 --> 01:18:42,900
189 in almost most scenarios, 
although I'm sure I just fucking

1644
01:18:42,900 --> 01:18:45,740
jinxed it. 
But Purdy's not coming back to 

1645
01:18:45,740 --> 01:18:49,100
189 anymore, so it is a decision
between Kyler and Purdy. 

1646
01:18:53,900 --> 01:18:56,700
What do you have you Chris, you 
mentioned you had been doing 

1647
01:18:56,740 --> 01:19:00,260
lots of the like late 3 Titan 
builds in like more 2QB builds. 

1648
01:19:00,300 --> 01:19:03,660
My guess is you haven't been 
slumming it with us on the the 

1649
01:19:03,660 --> 01:19:05,420
Getty picket the howls quite as 
much. 

1650
01:19:05,700 --> 01:19:10,180
No, actually I have because if I
wind up doing the cuz I'll go 

1651
01:19:10,580 --> 01:19:13,940
wide receiver, quarterback 
early, you know, in like the 

1652
01:19:13,940 --> 01:19:18,020
first six rounds with maybe like
run running back and then it 

1653
01:19:18,020 --> 01:19:22,760
kind of leads me into. 
Getting some of those like those

1654
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:25,480
like quarterbacks like towards 
the back end because I just got 

1655
01:19:25,480 --> 01:19:31,840
sniped on a I had DK and Locket,
there's a DK Locket or DK and 

1656
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:35,240
JSN had Geno Smith queued up and
then he went like right 

1657
01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:38,880
beforehand. 
So I pivoted fryer mouth picket 

1658
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:40,720
and all that. 
And actually I like the upside 

1659
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:45,280
of picket like as like just kind
of looking into the scrambling 

1660
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:49,200
rate from last season, what we 
can expect from Deontay Johnson.

1661
01:19:49,820 --> 01:19:51,580
You know the positive 
regression, blah blah blah blah 

1662
01:19:51,580 --> 01:19:53,740
blah. 
I've just been not as much into 

1663
01:19:53,740 --> 01:19:56,380
the running game outside of 
Jalen Warren so it all kind of 

1664
01:19:56,580 --> 01:20:00,540
intersects that pick it just 
being an option for if you do 

1665
01:20:00,540 --> 01:20:03,980
grab a Josh Allen, Jalen Hurts, 
one of those early round guys 

1666
01:20:03,980 --> 01:20:06,420
and just pairing him with Pick 
it later. 

1667
01:20:07,980 --> 01:20:11,780
The Stafford Fall is nuts, but 
that is why I still I still 

1668
01:20:11,780 --> 01:20:13,580
think Kyler's our pick here. 
Right, fellas? 

1669
01:20:15,300 --> 01:20:17,540
That's. 
Yeah, yeah, that's what I. 

1670
01:20:17,700 --> 01:20:20,860
Mean the way it plans to effort?
Yeah, we don't have a single RAM

1671
01:20:20,860 --> 01:20:22,740
or giant yet. 
No and. 

1672
01:20:23,140 --> 01:20:25,740
We don't have the bullets at 
wide receiver really to do it. 

1673
01:20:26,940 --> 01:20:30,260
Yeah, so we know we're gonna 
take one more quarterback. 

1674
01:20:30,260 --> 01:20:31,700
That leaves us with two more 
picks. 

1675
01:20:31,700 --> 01:20:34,740
We know one of those is at at 
least a second tight end. 

1676
01:20:34,740 --> 01:20:38,860
So then really the question is 
that other pick, 6th running 

1677
01:20:38,860 --> 01:20:40,660
back, 8th wide receiver, third 
tight end. 

1678
01:20:43,220 --> 01:20:45,620
Receivers seem pretty fine to me
to stick to seven. 

1679
01:20:46,420 --> 01:20:48,580
I think so. 
Well, let's see. 

1680
01:20:48,620 --> 01:20:50,980
We can get the tight end in the 
18th pretty easily. 

1681
01:20:51,940 --> 01:20:53,620
Well, do you know what also 
would be nice? 

1682
01:20:54,020 --> 01:20:56,820
Tight end? 
That McBride with the Kyler 

1683
01:20:56,820 --> 01:20:58,820
build is pretty nice. 
That's pretty nice. 

1684
01:20:59,460 --> 01:21:03,100
That is solid, yeah. 
The only and there's. 

1685
01:21:03,180 --> 01:21:05,500
Other If we got snipe, there's 
plenty of other options in the 

1686
01:21:05,540 --> 01:21:07,140
18th. 
The other option? 

1687
01:21:07,540 --> 01:21:10,860
We'll see if he gets there. 
You could toss out Isaiah, 

1688
01:21:10,860 --> 01:21:13,260
likely right there since we took
a chain earlier. 

1689
01:21:14,140 --> 01:21:21,470
Little kind of. 
And he he more so as like likely

1690
01:21:21,470 --> 01:21:23,110
in a third tight end build 
right. 

1691
01:21:23,230 --> 01:21:27,350
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess I 
guess you could do likely with 

1692
01:21:27,350 --> 01:21:33,190
pits if you did just go to but 
yeah I think I tend to like 

1693
01:21:33,190 --> 01:21:34,910
likely a little bit more in 
three tight end. 

1694
01:21:35,230 --> 01:21:37,750
That's what I was gonna say. 
So when I do 2 tight end, I go 

1695
01:21:37,750 --> 01:21:40,950
for the boring vets that I think
have good roles, like Knox who's

1696
01:21:40,950 --> 01:21:43,440
already gone. 
Again, I go back to the two 

1697
01:21:43,440 --> 01:21:45,240
Patriots ones. 
I think the Sicky and Hunter 

1698
01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:47,520
Henry are both still just 
ridiculously valued. 

1699
01:21:48,280 --> 01:21:49,640
They're not playing the same 
position. 

1700
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:52,360
Well, yeah. 
That's why I only take a Sicky. 

1701
01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:56,040
I don't think he's playing very 
much, but I I like Hunter Henry.

1702
01:21:56,480 --> 01:21:58,960
Looking at other correlations, 
so I think the likely with a 

1703
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:01,680
chain is good. 
We got the old stand by Kate 

1704
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:05,240
Otten with Jamal. 
You want to you want to sell 

1705
01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:07,520
yourself on that? 
Know a fan with the Pittsburgh 

1706
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:10,640
stuff is it? 
Play there as well. 

1707
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:15,450
Yeah. 
If you don't think Ghasticki's 

1708
01:22:15,450 --> 01:22:19,050
playing much and again they are 
kind of different positions, but

1709
01:22:19,090 --> 01:22:22,290
then then Hunter Henry is 
definitely Miss Price in the 

1710
01:22:22,330 --> 01:22:25,130
18th. 
Round, Yeah, No, I take a third.

1711
01:22:25,130 --> 01:22:28,170
Round just a player. 
I took him Kate Otten and 

1712
01:22:28,170 --> 01:22:29,610
Durham. 
Smythe is my only three side 

1713
01:22:29,610 --> 01:22:33,370
ends, so I'm hoping to God I'm 
right that. 

1714
01:22:33,690 --> 01:22:36,810
I'm completely with you, Ben, 
but I just like I tend to, want 

1715
01:22:36,810 --> 01:22:40,140
to use correlation. 
To like break ties on this like 

1716
01:22:40,140 --> 01:22:42,500
amorphous BLOB of tight ends 
late, even if. 

1717
01:22:42,500 --> 01:22:44,260
He's but tight end scoring so 
low. 

1718
01:22:44,340 --> 01:22:48,580
I I think that's right. 
But I've sort of talked myself 

1719
01:22:48,580 --> 01:22:52,500
into tight end scoring is so low
to be like viable and fantasy 

1720
01:22:52,500 --> 01:22:54,300
like you don't need a game to 
shoot out. 

1721
01:22:54,340 --> 01:22:56,500
But Hunter Henry just has to 
catch like 4 balls and score 

1722
01:22:56,500 --> 01:22:58,740
touchdown. 
That's a very viable that's 

1723
01:22:58,740 --> 01:23:01,460
probably tight the 5th overall 
tight end score that but can't. 

1724
01:23:01,660 --> 01:23:03,580
Can't make brides do that as 
well. 

1725
01:23:03,660 --> 01:23:05,940
And we had a huge bet on. 
Not a huge bet, but a. 

1726
01:23:05,940 --> 01:23:07,740
Bet on no, no, he can. 
But I'm. 

1727
01:23:08,020 --> 01:23:10,100
I'm saying. 
I don't think I need to use 

1728
01:23:10,100 --> 01:23:12,740
correlation if I don't think 
it's just a tie break. 

1729
01:23:12,740 --> 01:23:16,380
And I think Hunter Henry's like 
at least a tier ahead of 

1730
01:23:16,380 --> 01:23:18,660
McBride. 
And so it's more of, you know. 

1731
01:23:19,460 --> 01:23:23,420
I will say I mean again, sorry, 
this is just thinking about how 

1732
01:23:23,420 --> 01:23:26,420
we play this pick. 
I really, really doubt one of 

1733
01:23:26,420 --> 01:23:31,580
these teams is going to take 
Ridder as a third QB unstacked, 

1734
01:23:31,980 --> 01:23:35,420
especially with elites there. 
So I do think this can be a 

1735
01:23:35,420 --> 01:23:38,190
tight end pick. 
If we want to make it my my 

1736
01:23:38,190 --> 01:23:40,150
builds, McBride, but if you want
to sell me on something. 

1737
01:23:40,150 --> 01:23:41,950
Else with McBride. 
I mean, we're reaching pretty 

1738
01:23:41,950 --> 01:23:44,270
far, aren't we? 
Yeah, let's just go Ritter. 

1739
01:23:44,430 --> 01:23:46,150
I would rather just reach on 
Ritter and not risk. 

1740
01:23:46,310 --> 01:23:48,830
You're reaching or we're not 
running this 8th, 16th round, 

1741
01:23:48,830 --> 01:23:49,110
right? 
Yeah. 

1742
01:23:49,590 --> 01:23:50,470
What's our luxury? 
But. 

1743
01:23:51,110 --> 01:23:53,350
Guys, you're there luxury. 
More on Ritter than you are on 

1744
01:23:53,350 --> 01:23:56,030
McBride based on 80 but. 
I'm saying we should take our 

1745
01:23:56,030 --> 01:23:59,910
luxury pick here. 
Running back a receiver. 

1746
01:23:59,950 --> 01:24:01,590
Running back, a receiver. 
This is our spot. 

1747
01:24:01,750 --> 01:24:02,350
We. 
Were talking about. 

1748
01:24:02,630 --> 01:24:06,270
Retight in build. 
Oh, I'm fine with two tight end.

1749
01:24:06,970 --> 01:24:08,530
We're gonna. 
I think we should take one of 

1750
01:24:08,530 --> 01:24:10,890
the guys we know where. 
To take take me, take me, cry. 

1751
01:24:11,290 --> 01:24:13,930
OK, if we don't know who the if 
there's not a luxury pick 

1752
01:24:13,930 --> 01:24:15,530
screen. 
Well, I wanted to see who was 

1753
01:24:15,530 --> 01:24:19,690
available, that's all. 
I'm sure the board's, the 

1754
01:24:19,690 --> 01:24:21,330
board's here. 
He was. 

1755
01:24:21,450 --> 01:24:23,330
He was taking McBride. 
No matter what day. 

1756
01:24:23,810 --> 01:24:25,410
That's what just happened. 
You know who's. 

1757
01:24:26,250 --> 01:24:28,730
Our Who's our Luxury pick? 
McBride was good. 

1758
01:24:28,890 --> 01:24:31,530
You had tight end clicks. 
I don't know who the luxury pick

1759
01:24:31,530 --> 01:24:32,290
is, I. 
Just tell me. 

1760
01:24:32,290 --> 01:24:33,370
I don't know who that's gonna 
be. 

1761
01:24:33,450 --> 01:24:35,610
Tell me in hindsight, who is the
luxury? 

1762
01:24:36,370 --> 01:24:39,770
Pick he found a way to only show
McBride on the board is the 

1763
01:24:39,770 --> 01:24:41,370
only. 
Player Who's the luxury pick? 

1764
01:24:41,690 --> 01:24:43,330
Who do you want right? 
Who do you want? 

1765
01:24:43,970 --> 01:24:45,010
Who? 
Do you want Dwayne McBride 

1766
01:24:45,370 --> 01:24:45,810
drain? 
That's. 

1767
01:24:47,050 --> 01:24:50,330
Filibuster we don't even have. 
There's no other options. 

1768
01:24:50,950 --> 01:24:53,870
No other options. 
There's only two. 

1769
01:24:53,990 --> 01:25:00,070
Mcbrides, I mean. 
Hopefully this one it's up 

1770
01:25:00,070 --> 01:25:04,470
better than the rager one, yeah?
Kevin referenced that Pete's 

1771
01:25:04,470 --> 01:25:06,710
Hedbergs cut out an auto trade. 
I'm. 

1772
01:25:07,470 --> 01:25:10,590
Not taking the L and tell me you
tell me who you wanted to take 

1773
01:25:10,590 --> 01:25:12,990
over, McBride. 
No, I'm fine with taking 

1774
01:25:12,990 --> 01:25:14,670
McBride. 
I just. 

1775
01:25:15,140 --> 01:25:16,580
I wanted to see who else is 
available cuz to. 

1776
01:25:16,620 --> 01:25:19,700
Me, We're about to have the same
discussion here. 

1777
01:25:19,700 --> 01:25:21,380
Do you want the luxury pick over
Ritter? 

1778
01:25:21,380 --> 01:25:23,140
No Ritter. 
I wanna take Ritter. 

1779
01:25:23,420 --> 01:25:27,780
I would say Ritter. 
We have kinder has to be a 3QB 

1780
01:25:27,780 --> 01:25:29,580
build. 
We're legit fucked if someone 

1781
01:25:29,580 --> 01:25:30,220
else. 
Takes care, yeah. 

1782
01:25:30,340 --> 01:25:35,740
We have to take Ritter. 
Please stop. 

1783
01:25:35,860 --> 01:25:37,540
Owning me? 
I'm done. 

1784
01:25:37,580 --> 01:25:42,010
Being owned on that, please. 
It is nice to be able to speak 

1785
01:25:42,010 --> 01:25:44,770
relatively freely without all 
these piss boys in our room with

1786
01:25:44,770 --> 01:25:46,810
us. 
It is nice and honestly is nice.

1787
01:25:47,730 --> 01:25:49,170
We miss you. 
But I also don't miss you. 

1788
01:25:51,290 --> 01:25:53,770
Yeah, I was just when I had it 
sketched out my head, I was 

1789
01:25:53,770 --> 01:25:55,890
thinking luxury Ritter, tight 
end. 

1790
01:25:56,490 --> 01:25:58,170
So then when I was, I was. 
Like could it be made? 

1791
01:25:58,330 --> 01:26:01,330
To fucking luxury. 
Who is this luxury? 

1792
01:26:01,690 --> 01:26:04,610
I mean, he's highlighted. 
Players that's what I tossed in.

1793
01:26:05,490 --> 01:26:07,970
You just had quarterback entire 
end when I clearly. 

1794
01:26:08,010 --> 01:26:09,890
Trey McBride was the luxury 
pick. 

1795
01:26:10,210 --> 01:26:12,050
That's all that was available. 
Actually, he was. 

1796
01:26:12,210 --> 01:26:14,010
Because I think we're going 
tight end at the end. 

1797
01:26:14,010 --> 01:26:16,010
So Trey McBride is the. 
Luxury, you've highlighted the 

1798
01:26:16,010 --> 01:26:18,290
luxury pick right here with our 
correlation. 

1799
01:26:18,490 --> 01:26:22,730
It's quarter, I'll patter some. 
So, Ben, someone was in my 

1800
01:26:22,730 --> 01:26:25,930
YouTube comments today hyping up
Cordero Patterson. 

1801
01:26:26,170 --> 01:26:28,690
You're not alone on on Sea Pad 
Island. 

1802
01:26:29,770 --> 01:26:30,890
I love it. 
I love it. 

1803
01:26:30,930 --> 01:26:32,650
What? 
What other tight end do we have?

1804
01:26:32,650 --> 01:26:35,090
Hunter Henry still on the board.
We must not. 

1805
01:26:35,090 --> 01:26:35,730
I think he's. 
Still there? 

1806
01:26:35,930 --> 01:26:37,090
I don't remember seeing him on 
the. 

1807
01:26:37,410 --> 01:26:38,210
Henry. 
Yeah. 

1808
01:26:38,210 --> 01:26:41,010
Henry. 
How was he going behind all? 

1809
01:26:41,050 --> 01:26:43,490
Like, I kind of like Jake 
Ferguson, kind of like Luke 

1810
01:26:43,490 --> 01:26:45,410
Musgrave. 
How the fuck is Hunter Henry 

1811
01:26:45,410 --> 01:26:48,530
going behind both of them? 
Doesn't make any goddamn sense. 

1812
01:26:50,170 --> 01:26:53,690
They're worried about. 
So at the end of Gillette 

1813
01:26:53,690 --> 01:26:58,490
Stadium there it's not like a 
fully enclosed stadium and 

1814
01:26:58,490 --> 01:27:00,970
sometimes like the balls when 
they get thrown to Hunter Henry,

1815
01:27:01,370 --> 01:27:08,090
the wind gusts and stuff. 
Jordan Love is still available 

1816
01:27:08,090 --> 01:27:10,530
at pick 202 in this room as 
well. 

1817
01:27:11,010 --> 01:27:12,930
That is why what? 
What is this, Pat? 

1818
01:27:13,730 --> 01:27:15,730
I'm gonna, I'm gonna make a 
point on like a second thing. 

1819
01:27:16,070 --> 01:27:17,910
But are you? 
Are you about to like? 

1820
01:27:18,350 --> 01:27:19,430
Draw the pickle. 
Yeah. 

1821
01:27:20,030 --> 01:27:20,390
Are we? 
Yeah. 

1822
01:27:20,750 --> 01:27:24,750
I literally went in the weeds 
and and like looked at some of 

1823
01:27:24,750 --> 01:27:28,430
the plays that where tight ends 
are charted as in the slot. 

1824
01:27:29,070 --> 01:27:32,350
And I I think that there's just 
sort of a collective 

1825
01:27:32,710 --> 01:27:35,390
misunderstanding about what 
tight end slot snaps even mean. 

1826
01:27:36,910 --> 01:27:39,790
OK, All right. 
I'm excited for this. 

1827
01:27:40,150 --> 01:27:42,430
I'll do. 
I'll toss out one more Galaxy 

1828
01:27:42,430 --> 01:27:44,550
Brain pic. 
This is one of those like. 

1829
01:27:45,030 --> 01:27:48,270
We specifically passed on 
Ramondre Stevenson to take 

1830
01:27:48,270 --> 01:27:50,390
Keenan Allen. 
Pierre Strong is kind of a fun 

1831
01:27:50,390 --> 01:27:53,110
pick at the very end as well if 
we're not going through the. 

1832
01:27:53,110 --> 01:27:54,310
Title. 
I don't mind that. 

1833
01:27:55,710 --> 01:27:59,870
Cute, but that would be, dare I 
say, a luxury pick. 

1834
01:28:02,930 --> 01:28:06,490
I really wanna know what pat's 
gonna do with these this circled

1835
01:28:06,490 --> 01:28:09,810
picture of. 
I need to see some like legit 

1836
01:28:09,810 --> 01:28:13,370
NFL Network charting capability.
Like, yeah, I'm gonna get my 

1837
01:28:13,370 --> 01:28:15,490
Who's the dude is Orlovsky. 
I'm gonna. 

1838
01:28:15,610 --> 01:28:17,610
We gotta get the music in the 
background, dude. 

1839
01:28:17,610 --> 01:28:18,730
Yeah. 
Dude, I'm gonna. 

1840
01:28:18,730 --> 01:28:21,170
I'm gonna do this on the way. 
I'm gonna, like, be driving into

1841
01:28:21,170 --> 01:28:22,330
my car. 
You see this? 

1842
01:28:22,330 --> 01:28:23,490
Let me pull this. 
Let me show you again. 

1843
01:28:26,500 --> 01:28:29,340
I mean, Pat, is this against? 
Because you guys had, if you 

1844
01:28:29,340 --> 01:28:33,420
guys missed it, the ADP chasing 
crew had Matt Harmon on on 

1845
01:28:33,420 --> 01:28:35,500
Monday. 
I finished listening to that 

1846
01:28:35,780 --> 01:28:37,620
yesterday. 
Very good episode. 

1847
01:28:37,620 --> 01:28:39,580
Is that what inspired you Pat? 
Are you gonna get in the 

1848
01:28:39,580 --> 01:28:42,060
charting business? 
No, I'm not charting. 

1849
01:28:42,060 --> 01:28:44,820
I'm just looking and seeing what
other people are charting. 

1850
01:28:45,460 --> 01:28:48,700
I wanted to see what the 
charters are charting and how 

1851
01:28:48,700 --> 01:28:52,220
they chart because there's a 
couple things I get sometimes I 

1852
01:28:52,220 --> 01:28:53,940
get annoyed. 
I feel like inline tight ends 

1853
01:28:53,940 --> 01:28:56,450
get a bad rap. 
You know they're they're acting 

1854
01:28:56,450 --> 01:29:00,090
like they're just there to block
on passing downs when often they

1855
01:29:00,090 --> 01:29:04,210
run routes just as much as the 
other guys And then I feel like 

1856
01:29:05,930 --> 01:29:09,930
the I I don't buy the they play 
different positions argument on 

1857
01:29:09,930 --> 01:29:13,810
the Hunter Henry Mike sickie 
thing because Mike Sickie's he's

1858
01:29:13,810 --> 01:29:17,140
a Titan. 
And this is what you're going to

1859
01:29:17,140 --> 01:29:19,820
diagram for us? 
I I really want to see are these

1860
01:29:19,820 --> 01:29:22,260
actual mic is I thought that was
a Raiders snap. 

1861
01:29:22,820 --> 01:29:24,380
Yeah, it is. 
There is a Raider snap. 

1862
01:29:24,380 --> 01:29:26,020
They're not Mike Issicky ones, 
but there are. 

1863
01:29:26,260 --> 01:29:28,060
I mean, I can show you. 
How are you gonna how you gonna 

1864
01:29:28,060 --> 01:29:30,580
prove to me that Mike Issicky 
slot snaps are different if 

1865
01:29:30,580 --> 01:29:32,060
you're not going to show me Mike
Issicky slots? 

1866
01:29:32,100 --> 01:29:34,540
I'm showing you snaps that were 
charted as slot snaps for tight 

1867
01:29:34,540 --> 01:29:35,620
ends. 
It doesn't. 

1868
01:29:35,660 --> 01:29:36,980
Matter. 
But then aren't Mike Issicky? 

1869
01:29:37,900 --> 01:29:41,650
Yeah, they're aren't Kasicky. 
Who famously only ran routes on 

1870
01:29:41,650 --> 01:29:46,330
7% of his routes were from in 
line in. 

1871
01:29:46,370 --> 01:29:49,090
That was 2021, but like it 
literally doesn't play in line 

1872
01:29:49,250 --> 01:29:53,250
7%. 
He doesn't but I'll I'll I'll 

1873
01:29:53,250 --> 01:29:57,210
offline. 
These are the ones I have at 

1874
01:29:57,210 --> 01:29:58,650
hand. 
I didn't go pull these. 

1875
01:29:58,650 --> 01:29:59,810
I'll pull. 
I'll pull some but. 

1876
01:30:00,250 --> 01:30:01,970
Show what I'm talking about if 
you want their specifically. 

1877
01:30:02,490 --> 01:30:05,410
This is how we expand our 
fantasy analysis. 

1878
01:30:05,410 --> 01:30:07,690
Yes, this is the best 
millionaire globe in the history

1879
01:30:07,730 --> 01:30:08,250
of globes. 
Yeah. 

1880
01:30:09,370 --> 01:30:11,770
When comes to all 22 film, bro. 
Listen. 

1881
01:30:12,010 --> 01:30:15,570
Think how irritated I must have 
been by this narrative to go 

1882
01:30:15,570 --> 01:30:17,970
watch all 22. 
Think about that. 

1883
01:30:18,250 --> 01:30:21,050
I think you're wrong. 
You're gonna like I'm excited 

1884
01:30:21,050 --> 01:30:25,880
for the convincing here. 
I bullied you guys into Trey 

1885
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:28,520
McBride. 
So you guys, you guys make make 

1886
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:31,080
this pick here for the the 
luxury pick at the end. 

1887
01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:34,080
Let's Let's do Patterson before 
I destroy Ben's Kasseki 

1888
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:35,520
argument. 
I'm Team Hunter. 

1889
01:30:35,680 --> 01:30:37,440
Let's, let's go oh then give him
Hunter. 

1890
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:39,240
Hunter. 
Henry Chris Allen Break Break 

1891
01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:40,800
Chris High Chris, Who do you 
like? 

1892
01:30:41,080 --> 01:30:43,880
Or we'll go with Hunter. 
I like Hunter. 

1893
01:30:44,360 --> 01:30:46,560
All right, let's do it. 
The real tight end. 

1894
01:30:47,670 --> 01:30:49,070
Let's go through. 
All right, beautiful. 

1895
01:30:49,070 --> 01:30:51,270
I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna 
recap this team real quick for 

1896
01:30:51,270 --> 01:30:53,390
the audio listeners. 
And then the audio listeners are

1897
01:30:53,390 --> 01:30:55,870
gonna be fucked as Pat draws 
little squiggly lines on a 

1898
01:30:55,870 --> 01:30:58,790
screenshot of all. 2220 
listeners it will not translate.

1899
01:30:59,910 --> 01:31:03,990
It will not. 
Translate all right our Rubier, 

1900
01:31:03,990 --> 01:31:06,270
Keddy Pickett, Kyler Murray, 
Desmond Ritter. 

1901
01:31:06,830 --> 01:31:09,510
All of them double stacked and 
it just brings such joy to my 

1902
01:31:09,510 --> 01:31:11,190
heart. 
Running backs Christian 

1903
01:31:11,190 --> 01:31:13,590
McCaffrey, Javante Williams, 
Devon A Chan, Jamal Williams, 

1904
01:31:13,590 --> 01:31:15,710
Roshan Johnson. 
Wide Receivers, Devonta Smith, 

1905
01:31:15,750 --> 01:31:17,110
Keenan Allen, Drake. 
London. 

1906
01:31:17,190 --> 01:31:19,270
And Deontay Johnson, George 
Pickens, Cortland Sutton, 

1907
01:31:19,270 --> 01:31:22,270
Rondell Moore, tight ends Kyle 
Pitts, Trey McBride and Hunter 

1908
01:31:22,270 --> 01:31:24,670
Henry. 
Very, very fun team there. 

1909
01:31:24,950 --> 01:31:28,190
Pat, I give you the floor. 
Let's hear this. 

1910
01:31:28,430 --> 01:31:28,950
I need to hear. 
This. 

1911
01:31:28,990 --> 01:31:33,230
Oh, that's the wrong thing. 
Hang on, I want to show the 

1912
01:31:33,230 --> 01:31:36,110
other one first. 
So wait, Are you sure what My 

1913
01:31:36,110 --> 01:31:40,710
question is that purple one, Are
you sure that wasn't classified 

1914
01:31:40,710 --> 01:31:41,350
as? 
Inline. 

1915
01:31:41,750 --> 01:31:45,690
Yes, I'm 100% sure. 
Cuz I did a little bit of 

1916
01:31:45,690 --> 01:31:48,970
charting for PFF, but it was 
years ago and I'm pretty sure 

1917
01:31:48,970 --> 01:31:50,410
they used to classify that as 
inline. 

1918
01:31:50,410 --> 01:31:52,050
If they were that. 
No, I I literally went and 

1919
01:31:52,050 --> 01:31:54,810
looked. 
I looked at the that specific 

1920
01:31:54,810 --> 01:31:57,770
play chart, that specific guide,
the play chart, how it was 

1921
01:31:57,770 --> 01:32:00,930
charted. 
Then I looked at how the thing 

1922
01:32:00,930 --> 01:32:04,170
was came out in terms of like 
who was where and so I like 

1923
01:32:04,170 --> 01:32:06,330
triple checked that this is the 
true slides now. 

1924
01:32:06,810 --> 01:32:10,930
OK, OK so here here's like what 
I think most people are thinking

1925
01:32:11,330 --> 01:32:13,680
is gonna happen. 
With Kasiki and Hunter Henry. 

1926
01:32:13,680 --> 01:32:19,320
So this is Dallas Goddard in 
Gray and this is Zach Ertz. 

1927
01:32:19,320 --> 01:32:23,240
This is from 2021. 
In purple, Zach Ertz is lined up

1928
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:26,800
in what I would call a true 
slot, right like he's playing 

1929
01:32:26,800 --> 01:32:30,400
slot receiver. 
Dallas Goddard is lined up like 

1930
01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:34,040
a tight end, but the thing about
Dallas Goddard here is that he 

1931
01:32:34,160 --> 01:32:36,520
was also. 
That's a tight end. 

1932
01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:38,960
I actually I think of both of 
them as true slot. 

1933
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:41,850
Both of them are in this slot. 
In this in this example, both 

1934
01:32:41,850 --> 01:32:43,650
are in the slot. 
But one is in line. 

1935
01:32:43,930 --> 01:32:47,130
Well, they charted it well. 
No one is closer, but both are 

1936
01:32:47,130 --> 01:32:48,130
in the slot. 
OK. 

1937
01:32:49,250 --> 01:32:49,690
All right. 
Let me. 

1938
01:32:49,810 --> 01:32:53,330
Let me pull up the other one. 
That's not how I think of the 

1939
01:32:53,330 --> 01:32:56,690
Henry Gassiki thing. 
I think that that could happen 

1940
01:32:56,690 --> 01:32:59,970
on some formations. 
But you said you thought that's 

1941
01:32:59,970 --> 01:33:01,210
how you think most people think 
about. 

1942
01:33:01,210 --> 01:33:03,210
Well, yeah, personally, that's 
not how I've been thinking of 

1943
01:33:03,210 --> 01:33:06,050
it. 
Let me let me pull this one up 

1944
01:33:06,050 --> 01:33:09,370
and then tell me how you're 
thinking of sorry. 

1945
01:33:09,820 --> 01:33:11,140
This is like kind of more of a. 
Pain. 

1946
01:33:11,140 --> 01:33:14,020
I love it. 
This stream started talking 

1947
01:33:14,020 --> 01:33:18,460
about PR. 
We based on Wind Games, and now 

1948
01:33:18,460 --> 01:33:22,020
we're finishing with Now we're 
charting definitions of inline 

1949
01:33:22,020 --> 01:33:23,100
Titans. 
I love it. 

1950
01:33:23,140 --> 01:33:25,060
So I'm getting so close to my 
screen. 

1951
01:33:25,060 --> 01:33:28,020
Do you see this? 
This is Hunter Renfro here in 

1952
01:33:28,020 --> 01:33:30,540
yellow. 
This is Darren Waller. 

1953
01:33:31,740 --> 01:33:34,340
OK, you've got, I think this is 
Adams here. 

1954
01:33:34,850 --> 01:33:37,050
You've got another or no Adams. 
That's, that's Adams. 

1955
01:33:37,290 --> 01:33:39,090
Yeah, yeah, this is. 
Probably Matt Collins or 

1956
01:33:39,090 --> 01:33:40,010
something. 
This was last year. 

1957
01:33:40,530 --> 01:33:43,410
So these, you know, these are 
your traditional wide receivers,

1958
01:33:43,930 --> 01:33:46,330
wide receiver in the slot, 
traditional wide receiver 

1959
01:33:46,810 --> 01:33:48,530
playing the slot. 
Can you turn, can you turn 

1960
01:33:48,530 --> 01:33:50,810
paintbrush on and make some 
squigglies as you talk here? 

1961
01:33:51,290 --> 01:33:56,290
Yeah, so if you look here, right
there in Waller, he's clearly, 

1962
01:33:57,330 --> 01:34:00,250
you know, kind of a tight end. 
But this was a slot snap for 

1963
01:34:00,250 --> 01:34:02,330
Darren Waller. 
He is standing up. 

1964
01:34:02,860 --> 01:34:04,580
Can you give me the diagram for 
the route that he's running to? 

1965
01:34:05,100 --> 01:34:08,420
He's gonna do, he's actually 
gonna chip this guy and come out

1966
01:34:08,420 --> 01:34:13,140
here and I believe the the route
goes to here and car hits him 

1967
01:34:13,140 --> 01:34:14,740
right over the middle there. 
There we go. 

1968
01:34:14,780 --> 01:34:15,900
Nice. 
There's no. 

1969
01:34:15,940 --> 01:34:17,620
Is that even true? 
Did you just fully? 

1970
01:34:17,660 --> 01:34:19,140
Make that no, I'm pretty sure 
it's true. 

1971
01:34:19,700 --> 01:34:21,420
Cuz I've actually watched the 
play. 

1972
01:34:21,540 --> 01:34:23,660
That's great. 
Do you have anything? 

1973
01:34:23,660 --> 01:34:25,220
Interesting, because Waller 
chips. 

1974
01:34:25,220 --> 01:34:29,420
Waller actually chips a guy on 
this play, so it's a slot snap, 

1975
01:34:29,420 --> 01:34:31,840
but he does a tight end thing. 
Is a very. 

1976
01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:34,760
That's a that's a rare one. 
Even if you look at a stance, 

1977
01:34:34,760 --> 01:34:38,640
it's even like half between the 
the stand up that they do there 

1978
01:34:39,080 --> 01:34:41,200
and he's almost like looking 
like an offensive tackle. 

1979
01:34:41,200 --> 01:34:42,320
He's got his hand kind of 
honest. 

1980
01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:45,240
And what it is, is that he's not
on the line of scrimmage. 

1981
01:34:45,320 --> 01:34:47,400
And yeah, and he's not down. 
So it's like. 

1982
01:34:47,480 --> 01:34:52,840
That's considered a but that's 
that's what I'm saying but so 

1983
01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:56,720
but Hunter Henry's. 
Going to be down a lot he's his 

1984
01:34:56,720 --> 01:34:59,720
inline rate was really high. 
Do you have any in like any 

1985
01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:02,080
inline? 
Well, my point is what this one 

1986
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:04,880
is, that this is a slot snap for
Darren Waller. 

1987
01:35:05,320 --> 01:35:06,840
I don't see Foster Moreau 
anywhere. 

1988
01:35:07,760 --> 01:35:11,000
You know, the slot snap doesn't 
mean always that you're going to

1989
01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:12,960
get A2 tight end thing and ones 
in the slot. 

1990
01:35:12,960 --> 01:35:15,600
It's that you can have a slot 
wide receiver here in Hunter 

1991
01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:19,680
Henry playing a very traditional
slot role and Darren Waller's 

1992
01:35:19,680 --> 01:35:22,880
also on the field with a slot 
snap, but he's not. 

1993
01:35:23,190 --> 01:35:24,630
Really. 
Doing anything different than 

1994
01:35:24,630 --> 01:35:25,110
what? 
A tight end? 

1995
01:35:25,110 --> 01:35:27,150
Always. 
Does, Yeah, that happens a lot. 

1996
01:35:27,870 --> 01:35:29,990
I'm not arguing that take at 
all. 

1997
01:35:30,030 --> 01:35:36,630
I my argument would be that Mike
Gesicki will play essentially a 

1998
01:35:36,630 --> 01:35:39,310
role similar to what Hunter 
Renfro plays in that offense. 

1999
01:35:39,430 --> 01:35:42,870
In the New England offense, he 
will play a wide receiver role. 

2000
01:35:43,630 --> 01:35:45,630
Like people have made that 
argument for Dalton Kincaid as 

2001
01:35:45,630 --> 01:35:46,750
well that. 
He's going to play a different 

2002
01:35:46,750 --> 01:35:47,910
position. 
I'm not drafting any Dalton 

2003
01:35:47,910 --> 01:35:50,990
Kincaid because I I. 
Don't I just the argument very? 

2004
01:35:51,110 --> 01:35:52,270
Reasonable. 
Like that. 

2005
01:35:52,900 --> 01:35:59,460
And and in Gosicki's position 
last year and his old stuff, he 

2006
01:35:59,460 --> 01:36:02,620
essentially did do that. 
He only lined up in the slot. 

2007
01:36:02,620 --> 01:36:04,940
So I guess I'm not like he'll 
end up like a wide receiver. 

2008
01:36:04,940 --> 01:36:06,660
He was like the Hunter Renfro of
that offense. 

2009
01:36:06,660 --> 01:36:08,660
He was basically their third 
receiver and three receiver 

2010
01:36:08,660 --> 01:36:09,900
sets. 
He's always stand up. 

2011
01:36:10,020 --> 01:36:12,220
He was never a hand on the 
ground he had in the dirt. 

2012
01:36:13,820 --> 01:36:15,300
He was their starting tight. 
End though. 

2013
01:36:15,820 --> 01:36:17,460
He was their starting tight end.
Just by. 

2014
01:36:17,660 --> 01:36:19,860
Just a name. 
Like. 

2015
01:36:19,980 --> 01:36:21,820
No, no. 
Like Durham, Smythe didn't 

2016
01:36:21,980 --> 01:36:25,740
didn't play as many snaps on 
passing downs as he would have 

2017
01:36:25,740 --> 01:36:27,260
if Mike. 
But that's because they played 

2018
01:36:27,260 --> 01:36:30,260
out Gingold a ton of as a full. 
I mean that's that's like one of

2019
01:36:30,260 --> 01:36:34,220
the weird things about the the 
Dolphins offense where they kind

2020
01:36:34,220 --> 01:36:36,700
of are running. 
What is it? 

2021
01:36:36,700 --> 01:36:40,580
It would be 20 personnel, 2 
running backs and three 

2022
01:36:40,580 --> 01:36:43,190
receivers as. 
Sort of what they probably 

2023
01:36:43,190 --> 01:36:46,030
should have been classifying it 
as, cuz cuz he's more or less 

2024
01:36:46,030 --> 01:36:48,190
playing receiver. 
They're using a fullback as 

2025
01:36:48,190 --> 01:36:50,230
they're tied in like the the 
Niners used. 

2026
01:36:50,230 --> 01:36:52,110
Yeah they do. 
Weird stuff too. 

2027
01:36:52,110 --> 01:36:55,070
Like I was seeing stuff where 
they had Tyree Hill motioning in

2028
01:36:55,070 --> 01:36:58,950
the backfield and coming back 
around and then Mike Desicki was

2029
01:36:58,950 --> 01:37:02,190
in the backfield and then would 
would option out to the slot 

2030
01:37:02,190 --> 01:37:04,110
and. 
They did a ton of weird stuff, 

2031
01:37:04,110 --> 01:37:08,870
but I Durham Smythe played a lot
less than he would have if my 

2032
01:37:08,870 --> 01:37:10,630
Kazaki wasn't there is based. 
On right. 

2033
01:37:10,750 --> 01:37:13,550
I think New England's office is 
going to be different than that 

2034
01:37:13,550 --> 01:37:16,030
in that regard. 
But yeah, this was interesting. 

2035
01:37:16,030 --> 01:37:19,430
I guess my, my, my only real 
point would be that I don't. 

2036
01:37:19,950 --> 01:37:23,750
I don't think I'm arguing with 
your points, which are valid 

2037
01:37:23,750 --> 01:37:24,910
points. 
I just don't think I'm arguing 

2038
01:37:24,910 --> 01:37:27,990
with them necessarily. 
I think it's possible you're 

2039
01:37:27,990 --> 01:37:30,830
saying is true with him being 
the like a wide receiver 

2040
01:37:30,830 --> 01:37:34,130
essentially, but I just. 
We've seen very few instances of

2041
01:37:34,130 --> 01:37:36,690
that where you have essentially 
it's operating out of 12 

2042
01:37:36,690 --> 01:37:41,090
personnel as their primary base 
personnel that has had like they

2043
01:37:41,090 --> 01:37:43,370
did that with Aaron Hernandez, 
right? 

2044
01:37:43,410 --> 01:37:44,690
Yeah. 
I don't like yeah stats they did

2045
01:37:44,690 --> 01:37:45,490
sure that. 
Yeah. 

2046
01:37:47,010 --> 01:37:49,930
So it's definitely possible. 
I just like I've always been a 

2047
01:37:49,930 --> 01:37:52,290
bit skeptical of how good my 
Kasuki is as well. 

2048
01:37:52,650 --> 01:37:56,970
So I'm just like it just feels 
like a like an outlier situation

2049
01:37:56,970 --> 01:37:58,650
that I'm not, I'm not really 
buying. 

2050
01:37:59,070 --> 01:38:01,750
The the big difference with the 
Kincaid stuff is, is the price, 

2051
01:38:01,750 --> 01:38:03,590
right? 
Like the guessing is free and 

2052
01:38:03,630 --> 01:38:07,030
ground most drafts in Kincaid. 
You're paying a pretty big 

2053
01:38:07,030 --> 01:38:13,190
premium for that thesis, Chris. 
It was great having you come by 

2054
01:38:13,470 --> 01:38:16,310
dropping the bombs on ship 
chasing and drafting. 

2055
01:38:16,350 --> 01:38:19,310
That the chat was saying that 
that me and me and Pat were 

2056
01:38:19,310 --> 01:38:21,670
arguing too much and not letting
you talk to me. 

2057
01:38:21,830 --> 01:38:23,810
Definitely were. 
We were we. 

2058
01:38:23,890 --> 01:38:27,370
I missed last two shows. 22% 
route rate last year, OK20. 

2059
01:38:28,930 --> 01:38:32,050
Is that what you didn't do? 
July 4th show I missed? 

2060
01:38:32,850 --> 01:38:35,450
I missed the two shows before. 
Me and Pat haven't done a show 

2061
01:38:35,450 --> 01:38:37,250
in a month like we needed to get
this out. 

2062
01:38:37,530 --> 01:38:40,570
I'm sorry. 
He's like we were. 

2063
01:38:40,690 --> 01:38:42,570
We weren't arguing, but to that 
point. 

2064
01:38:43,170 --> 01:38:45,890
Yes, we definitely didn't give 
it, Chris, enough time. 

2065
01:38:45,890 --> 01:38:47,570
And let me tell you why, because
you're wrong. 

2066
01:38:50,650 --> 01:38:53,970
It was a blast of you, man. 
No, man, this is awesome. 

2067
01:38:53,970 --> 01:38:55,850
And you guys ever want me back 
on again? 

2068
01:38:55,850 --> 01:38:57,770
Just say the word. 
This is this is for sure. 

2069
01:38:58,490 --> 01:39:03,810
And you got the the second part 
of the Does Wind Matter is 

2070
01:39:03,810 --> 01:39:05,690
dropping in the Fantasy Life 
newsletter tomorrow. 

2071
01:39:05,730 --> 01:39:08,490
Anything else that you're 
working on right now? 

2072
01:39:09,170 --> 01:39:11,490
Trying to dig into so a focus on
wind. 

2073
01:39:12,100 --> 01:39:13,460
I got that pretty much knocked 
out. 

2074
01:39:13,940 --> 01:39:17,620
I want to now start digging into
the other elements. 

2075
01:39:17,620 --> 01:39:21,860
Rain, snow, all of that, to see 
really what matters. 

2076
01:39:21,860 --> 01:39:25,340
And it's almost the same 
questions you have to ask about 

2077
01:39:25,340 --> 01:39:26,940
wind. 
Instead of just saying, well, is

2078
01:39:27,700 --> 01:39:29,180
there going to be wind in the 
game? 

2079
01:39:29,500 --> 01:39:31,780
It's how much. 
So if it's going to be raining, 

2080
01:39:31,780 --> 01:39:34,700
how much? 
Back to the monsoon talk we had 

2081
01:39:34,700 --> 01:39:36,540
earlier, and the same thing for 
snow. 

2082
01:39:36,900 --> 01:39:39,460
People see or hear snow in the 
forecast. 

2083
01:39:39,660 --> 01:39:41,140
They think about what was it 
the? 

2084
01:39:41,220 --> 01:39:45,860
What was the Philly Detroit game
from Gosh, when was that 

2085
01:39:45,860 --> 01:39:53,060
20/13/2014 And it was, gosh, I 
forget the Who's the? 

2086
01:39:54,120 --> 01:39:56,360
Oh, man, Cut on a dime is his 
Twitter handle. 

2087
01:39:56,960 --> 01:39:58,480
Lashawn McCoy. 
Lashawn McCoy, thank you. 

2088
01:39:58,600 --> 01:40:00,800
Oh, my gosh, Why couldn't I? 
Think yes, I remember that game.

2089
01:40:01,200 --> 01:40:02,440
Long touch. 
That in overtime. 

2090
01:40:02,600 --> 01:40:06,040
Yeah, but everybody remembers 
that stuff or the what the Frank

2091
01:40:06,040 --> 01:40:09,240
Gore game from the Bills Colts 
from. 

2092
01:40:09,240 --> 01:40:12,360
I forget that was probably like 
five or six years ago where they

2093
01:40:12,360 --> 01:40:15,640
had to like, you know move snow 
out of the way for Indianapolis 

2094
01:40:15,640 --> 01:40:18,600
kicker that retired to kick a 
field goal. 

2095
01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:20,120
Vinitary. 
Yeah, to kick a field by at the 

2096
01:40:20,120 --> 01:40:22,130
end. 
So it's like that stuff we 

2097
01:40:22,130 --> 01:40:24,930
remember, but it really is like 
it really does come down to how 

2098
01:40:24,930 --> 01:40:27,690
much and also where at that 
makes a difference than 

2099
01:40:27,690 --> 01:40:28,810
anything. 
Remember that there was a 

2100
01:40:28,810 --> 01:40:30,530
Jaguars rain game. 
That was nuts. 

2101
01:40:30,570 --> 01:40:33,290
I think someone, some running 
back had like, really long run. 

2102
01:40:33,290 --> 01:40:35,770
I don't know. 
It's always stuck with me. 

2103
01:40:35,890 --> 01:40:39,050
The. 
No, that was oh man. 

2104
01:40:39,050 --> 01:40:43,330
When was that, too? 
That was fairly recent, if I 

2105
01:40:43,330 --> 01:40:45,290
remember right. 
Or maybe that was in the, like, 

2106
01:40:45,330 --> 01:40:48,170
early 2000s, but yeah. 
I I do. 

2107
01:40:49,620 --> 01:40:51,620
Chris, we should, we should talk
with Jordan and the crew at 

2108
01:40:51,620 --> 01:40:55,140
Fantasy Life because I think an 
El Nino article would do great 

2109
01:40:55,220 --> 01:40:57,500
SEO within this hyper. 
Yeah. 

2110
01:40:58,300 --> 01:41:01,300
It really would like, I would 
like 100% read the El Nino 

2111
01:41:01,300 --> 01:41:03,740
article, yeah. 
All you need is El Nino and 

2112
01:41:03,740 --> 01:41:05,380
Fantasy in the title and you're.
Yeah. 

2113
01:41:05,460 --> 01:41:07,500
And then everybody's gonna wanna
read it, yeah. 

2114
01:41:07,700 --> 01:41:10,020
It comes around like what, once 
a decade or something? 

2115
01:41:10,140 --> 01:41:12,020
Yeah. 
Like five to seven years or 

2116
01:41:12,020 --> 01:41:14,620
something like that if I mean 
that sounds like 2 to 7, two, 

2117
01:41:14,620 --> 01:41:17,460
two to seven, which is like a 
wild range because every other 

2118
01:41:17,460 --> 01:41:21,500
year or every seven years, OK. 
With like the title, like El 

2119
01:41:21,500 --> 01:41:25,580
Nino is going to change 
everything for 2023 fantasy 

2120
01:41:25,580 --> 01:41:26,300
football. 
Yeah. 

2121
01:41:26,300 --> 01:41:29,260
And it's just going to have that
that clip from Chris Farley and 

2122
01:41:29,260 --> 01:41:31,700
SNL and that's like they're 
pretty much like the the 

2123
01:41:31,700 --> 01:41:34,060
entirety of the piece. 
Exactly. 

2124
01:41:35,060 --> 01:41:38,580
So make sure you guys are 
following Chris on Twitter at 

2125
01:41:38,620 --> 01:41:41,060
Chris Allen, FFWX for the audio 
listeners. 

2126
01:41:41,060 --> 01:41:43,980
We got it up here on the screen.
I got it down in the 

2127
01:41:43,980 --> 01:41:46,940
description. 
Also be sure to check out all 

2128
01:41:46,940 --> 01:41:48,660
this great stuff over at Fantasy
Life. 

2129
01:41:48,660 --> 01:41:51,620
We even have new. 
Author pages over there as well.

2130
01:41:51,620 --> 01:41:56,460
So it's really easy to check out
the Chris Allen page and you can

2131
01:41:56,460 --> 01:42:00,100
go and find all of the work he's
been doing, both writing the 

2132
01:42:00,100 --> 01:42:03,380
newsletter and some of these 
more intensive research pieces. 

2133
01:42:03,380 --> 01:42:05,660
And a lot of fun best ball 
stuff. 

2134
01:42:05,740 --> 01:42:07,980
I will say Chris, when I 
initially saw this article come 

2135
01:42:07,980 --> 01:42:10,940
across best ball draft phases 
because you were doing weather 

2136
01:42:10,940 --> 01:42:14,320
stuff, I saw phases. 
And immediately went to Moon 

2137
01:42:14,320 --> 01:42:16,200
Phases. 
I thought you were doing 

2138
01:42:16,520 --> 01:42:20,120
something like with that. 
Should I had them do like, if we

2139
01:42:20,120 --> 01:42:21,640
could do it? 
Have like the what? 

2140
01:42:21,640 --> 01:42:23,640
The Marvel character. 
Moon Night and just like put 

2141
01:42:23,640 --> 01:42:25,800
that on the thumbnail for the 
piece or something like that. 

2142
01:42:25,800 --> 01:42:28,120
See, that's that's a good idea. 
All right. 

2143
01:42:28,400 --> 01:42:29,520
Yeah. 
There there it is. 

2144
01:42:29,600 --> 01:42:30,440
I love it. 
We need it. 

2145
01:42:30,440 --> 01:42:32,560
We need it all. 
All right. 

2146
01:42:32,760 --> 01:42:36,680
Appreciate the chat tonight. 
You guys were on fire as well. 

2147
01:42:37,200 --> 01:42:41,360
Gretch, I did see JGFC wants you
to put an alert in the Discord 

2148
01:42:41,360 --> 01:42:44,680
when you're drafting on the. 
Party weekend this weekend. 

2149
01:42:44,840 --> 01:42:46,200
Oh, God, yeah. 
Well, try to remember to do 

2150
01:42:46,200 --> 01:42:48,440
that. 
If I'm doing lives, I don't know

2151
01:42:48,440 --> 01:42:51,360
how the whole weekend's gonna 
go, and I'm doing some golfing 

2152
01:42:51,800 --> 01:42:55,720
and I'm gonna do some drinking. 
But yeah, I mean, if I'm that's.

2153
01:42:55,720 --> 01:42:57,320
Why He wants to know when you're
hopping in draft. 

2154
01:43:00,160 --> 01:43:01,600
Plus TV. 
Yeah. 

2155
01:43:02,840 --> 01:43:04,760
But Pat, what do you got going 
on? 

2156
01:43:05,280 --> 01:43:08,640
Well, I wanna tell people I'm 
gonna be doing a long stream. 

2157
01:43:08,640 --> 01:43:11,800
My plan is to do 7 drafts with 
18 guests. 

2158
01:43:12,160 --> 01:43:14,720
On July 18th, which is next 
Tuesday. 

2159
01:43:15,280 --> 01:43:19,320
So still organizing that I've 
given myself a little bit of a 

2160
01:43:19,480 --> 01:43:22,560
project management task, but I'm
working on getting that 

2161
01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:24,920
together. 
Do you wanna planning on doing? 

2162
01:43:25,160 --> 01:43:27,480
That day, Yeah. 
Why does that day matter? 

2163
01:43:27,800 --> 01:43:29,240
Yeah. 
It just seemed like a cool thing

2164
01:43:29,240 --> 01:43:32,800
to do. 
That's the that's the date that 

2165
01:43:32,800 --> 01:43:34,960
I drafted by winning BBM Three 
team. 

2166
01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:37,160
So there you go, bringing some 
friends on. 

2167
01:43:39,230 --> 01:43:43,390
I guess on here, maybe one time 
or two when I filled in you guys

2168
01:43:43,390 --> 01:43:46,590
drafted. 
Are you nervous about being a 

2169
01:43:46,590 --> 01:43:51,510
hosting drafting bro? 
No, I mean, when you're nervous,

2170
01:43:51,510 --> 01:43:54,150
it's because you're worried 
that. 

2171
01:43:54,610 --> 01:43:56,450
What's going to happen isn't 
gonna live up to your 

2172
01:43:56,450 --> 01:43:58,370
expectations of what's gonna 
happen. 

2173
01:43:58,370 --> 01:44:00,650
And I know this is gonna shit 
show, so why would I be? 

2174
01:44:02,090 --> 01:44:03,090
Nice. 
Well, I just want you to know 

2175
01:44:03,210 --> 01:44:04,730
there's gonna come a point 
during the draft. 

2176
01:44:04,730 --> 01:44:08,130
You're gonna have a guy you want
to take, and your cohosts are 

2177
01:44:08,130 --> 01:44:10,930
gonna be screaming that they'd 
rather take a luxury pick at the

2178
01:44:10,930 --> 01:44:13,970
time and you're gonna want them 
to actually just vocalize who? 

2179
01:44:13,970 --> 01:44:15,690
That that will just take this. 
Pick I'll just. 

2180
01:44:15,690 --> 01:44:17,770
I want that. 
I scream. 

2181
01:44:18,410 --> 01:44:22,970
I'm on stick and shout out to 
King Cat too, who also drafted 

2182
01:44:22,970 --> 01:44:25,370
his winning team on. 718 the the
Red. 

2183
01:44:25,410 --> 01:44:29,530
Very nice. 
Yes, so it is going to be a best

2184
01:44:29,530 --> 01:44:35,050
ball holiday over there. 
And yeah, for me tomorrow, 

2185
01:44:35,050 --> 01:44:38,170
tomorrow night, Jake Trowbridge 
from Fantasy Life is joining me 

2186
01:44:38,170 --> 01:44:41,250
for the randomizer. 
Jake's very funny, does a ton of

2187
01:44:41,490 --> 01:44:44,690
impressions and characters, so 
we're going to have a good time.

2188
01:44:45,070 --> 01:44:48,510
Over there tomorrow night. 
I think that is it for the 

2189
01:44:48,510 --> 01:44:49,830
plugs. 
If you guys want to become a 

2190
01:44:49,830 --> 01:44:52,430
YouTube member, you can hop in 
the Discord. 

2191
01:44:52,430 --> 01:44:55,150
Always a fun time there in the 
ship chasing Discord. 

2192
01:44:55,350 --> 01:44:58,390
Hope you guys all have a 
wonderful rest of your week. 

2193
01:44:58,550 --> 01:45:00,230
Thanks again to Chris. 
We'll see you guys next time.