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on a Thursday and this one feels different because Gretsch, you
were coming off of you know, normally I'm coming off of a lot
of streaming hours by this time in the week, I mean you, you
might have surpassed me in streaming hours this week.
Yeah, fire firing up some slow Dr. streams, man, it's been
awesome. I, I mentioned it at the end of
lulls right now about how you had did the slow draft stream
idea. And I like, I love it because
for two reasons. One, because it's a unique
thing, like making picks on slow draft.
And two, it's like you get to devote as much time to a spot
that you want. Like if it's an obvious stack,
you're like, all right, I just take CJ stride and move on.
But like some of these, there's like three to four viable picks
and then you get to sit there and talk through them without a
time crunch, which is pretty cool.
Yeah, that's exactly the way I've been thinking about it too,
where it's like when we do the drafts, they're sometimes the
the ones that you're like, I want to keep talking about this.
When I do them with Sean, we just time out 'cause we start
talking about it and we just run into each other.
I think with Sean is legitimately stressful.
Because it's a little bit stressful.
He will, he will straight up time out.
And then it like you don't even get off that point or finish
that point until the next time you're up.
And I mean, it's, it's really hard to, to give the different
conversations, the amount of time that you want to give them.
And so, yeah, that is kind of the, the thrust of the slow
draft streams. It's, it's been a lot of fun.
It's a, it's a, like you said, a unique, unique way of doing it.
But I, I miss the fast drafts. I'm excited to do a fast draft
with you guys. For sure.
My my new thing with Sean is like gently being like Sean.
We don't have to take Brock Bowers at pick 75.
We can get him at like pick 105 like we can.
We can wait a little bit. Pat, how are you doing?
How slow draft Hell after you admitted on best ball breakfast
that you are in 100 plus slow drafts right now?
Well, the slow draft hell wasn't enough.
I also had to see if I could swim upstream.
You know, we got to test things out in the puppy.
We got to see if this wide receiver avalanche is, is, you
know, if it's all it's cracked up to be and it is, it's it's
horrendous. If you get behind a wide
receiver, I'm behind. It's so many drafts.
I'm like got Keon Coleman wide receiver, two teams.
I mean it. It's bad out here.
Guys, buddy, get ready to learn. Jacoby Myers is.
That where you're. At right now.
Yeah, you. Decided to build robust running
back teams? Just challenge yourself.
No, it's like you go Breece Olave, Kelsey's here.
OK Allen come came back. Oh my God.
James Cook sick. But then wait.
I've only got Olave through through five rounds.
I'm fucked. So I'm trying.
I'm trying. You know what?
I'm doing it. I'm doing some of these drafts.
I'm testing stuff out and then I'm figuring out basically where
I need to adjust the rankings. Like I'm realizing like it's
just tough man. Like all these guys that are non
wide receivers that are like individually good picks and
includes the tight ends to an extent.
It's like it's, it's just a lot of opportunity costs.
Anytime you're not taking wide receiver in the first like 5
rounds, it's just a lot of opportunity costs.
I will say I I agree with you, at least right now, I do find
doing that type of build easier than it was last year, even at
this time because like, you get to pick 100 and I'm like Tyler
Lockett, Courtland Sutton, Mike Williams.
Then I get to pick 1:30. I'm like, I think Jacob
Sanderson posted a screenshot of this the other day.
It's like Dontavian Wicks, Xavier Leggett, Josh Downs.
I'm like, all right, like these names don't make me want to
vomit in the way the names did last year when you got there.
So I do say like, I kind of like my teams more when I'm like,
yeah, I grabbed these two elite onesies.
I got this running back. It's a little easier to pull off
this year, but I, even when I draft with you, Pat, I, I do
notice you. I think in your ideal structure,
you still want to stay on track more.
You're like, no, we need Christian Kirk or Chris Godwin
here 'cause I don't want to have to be taking those guys.
Yeah, I really don't, especially because like the value you think
you're getting by taking especially the running backs
early, it's like it kind of gets, yes, you can kind of dig
out a little bit. I like Josh Downs.
Like, you know, people don't know this, but when you go into
the fantasy industry, there's different sort of initiation
rights that you have to do. This year.
It's Don Tavian Wicks. Yeah, it's Don Tavian Wicks.
Yeah. If you, if you wanna, your
YouTube account is locked unless you tell Don Tavian Wicks.
But I I like them. I do.
That's not I'm I'm not just saying that because I have to.
I actually do like Dantavian Wicks, but it's like you get the
running back value in those ranges, especially just ahead of
that is so good that it's like, you know, the whole 2V2
question. Gretch, doesn't it seem crazy
that with all the Dantavian Wicks like it shows how powerful
an anchoring effect ADP has? Because doesn't it seem like
Rovio Dobbs should just be going behind Dantavian Wicks solely
based on the steam that everyone like?
I haven't heard one person make a bowl case for Rovio Dobbs and
he goes 20 picks higher. What's going on?
I mean, I guess, but at that point I would probably start
making cases for Romo Dobbs. I just I just pulled up my
target sprout run stuff from the winner to see when Pat said it
was initiation, right? To see how how bullish I was on
Wicks 'cause I know I was writing favorably about him as
well and he was better than Dobbs on a per out basis.
And I think they kind of have overlapping skill sets.
I think you have Watson and Reid kind of in their respective
roles. And probably one of those dudes
is the guy in three receiver sets.
But Dobbs at last check was that guy.
He was in the playoffs, had a had a really good game against
the Cowboys. And he was, I mean, that's the
point I think Pat, you made to me earlier in the offseason and
it struck a chord with me when I was trying to be like Wicks over
Dobbs at that point. I think so.
I mean, I I don't think Wick should be going ahead of Dobbs
necessarily, but he was better as a rookie on the in the per
out run stuff than Dobbs was either of his first two years.
And so that's I mean, that's pretty telling.
I'm probably going to be rotational.
He seems like the more fun upside play.
I mean, maybe he should just be going ahead of Dobbs.
I don't know. Now.
Now I'm back to that. Well, I, I do think the other
thing, this doesn't account for the fact that someone is
clicking Dobbs in that range in every draft.
Clearly that's not me, But but he does fall in that range where
it's like you're still in that sweet spot for those zero
running back targets. And so it's like most of us, the
way we build, it's like, hey, we're grabbing running backs in
this range and then we'll come back and be like, Oh yeah, let's
grab our wide receiver 6. Wide receiver 7 Wicks is looking
pretty good at that point so it is just funny.
It's like it must be. The robust RB drafters are like
shit. I need Dobbs right now.
That seems right. Yeah, they may be.
They may be I, you know, another guy I'm just hammering is Roma
Doonze. I'm taking so much Roma Doonze.
Yeah, I just hell yeah him in the six sometimes 7th.
It's just seems like this kind of went knock overall, He went
9th overall. We're like all about rookie wide
receivers and this dude just went 9th overall.
You get him in the like 6-7 turns, seems pretty good.
Wow. Woo.
Wait, are you? I forget you're, you're taking
him over Brian Thomas, right? I'm taking him over Brian
Thomas. I'm taking him over Lad
Mcconkey. And he goes behind there, He
goes behind them. Now, I do like Lad Mcconkey a
lot. And that drum beat, by the way,
it's already starting, guys. I yeah, it's quietly already.
Started his little his little baby helmet running around.
What's the drum beat? So here's here's the drum I I
sent this to our to the rankings.
Yeah, like is he a gym rat? Is he the first guy to building?
Last guy to leaf? So he's Daniel Popper.
Athletic. He is sneaky athletic.
Daniel Popper of of the Athletic, he's he did like 1010
things from OTAs number six. Herbert is already developing a
connection with rookie's second year pick Ladd Mcconkey.
Mcconkey played both inside and outside Monday, but the majority
of the snaps with the first team offense came in the slot.
On the second play of the 1st 11 on 11 period, Mcconkey beat
rookie cornerback Tarhib still down the seam and Herbert hit
him for an explosive game. Later in practice, Herbert
connected with Mcconkey on back-to-back completions, one on
an over route and another on an out route.
From the slot. Mcconkey also beat cornerback
Just Sir Taylor on a slant out of the slot in the second to
last period for a third down conversion.
Was that the first time you ever heard of that cornerback in your
life, Pat? Yeah, I'm not.
I'm I'm pretty sure just Sir's name was pronounced very
incorrectly. I fucking love, I love camp
reports because you read that and I'm like, let's take him in
the second round when we draft, right?
Also, he just described 4 plays in camp, like 4 catches.
Like yeah, he like Justin Herbert should probably throw 4
completions to to Glad Mcconkey and over the course of a
practice that should probably happen.
In May. But then do you hear that sound?
It's a drum beat. It's a drum beat, baby.
It's starting. The way that he wrote that, I
thought those are the four best plays in NFL history.
In my mind. Like I was like holy shit, what
a catch. It's start.
It's starting that the lad ADP is going to rise, I'm telling
you. We I believe because we've done
what since since the draft, I want to say we've done 3 drafts
together and I think we've taken lad on two of them.
I know in the first one in, in, in another.
One I'm pretty I'm pretty high on LAD lots of.
Issues with his actual name is we're high on ladders.
Lots of issues with his prospect profile, you know, but there was
reasons to be optimistic as well.
And then God, it's just such a kind of pristine spot for target
share. And then I just don't want to
take like there's a point at which I'm going to be out and I
think we get to that point. So you're going to give me in
the sixth round in this environment where you know, in
the sixth round seems juicy, but when it's like actually like
wide receiver 70, you know, it's OK.
Yeah, You know, I think a tough one for me is I, I, I take
Jordan Addison over LAD. Are you taking LAD over Jordan
Addison? I believe we have LAD over
Jordan Addison. Yeah, let me double check.
I'm nearly certain we do though. I've been taking Addison over
LAD but I got to get more LAD now that I heard that Purple
pros. So, Gretch, I know you can't.
Yeah, we have. We have them.
One spot ahead. One spot ahead.
Addison. Yeah.
I just have it, Yeah. I just have a hard time doing
LAD over Addison 'cause I like Addison a lot.
Gretch, I know you can't see your exact exposures cause a lot
of your drafts are ongoing, but who, at least anecdotally, do
you feel like you are clicking a ton during your slow draft blitz
these days? Definitely the elite tight ends.
We've been talking a lot about them, the Chiefs wide receivers.
I mean, I'm I'm just drafting the shit out of Rashi Rice at
this price and then I'm also drafting the shit out of Xavier
Worthy at his price when Rashi Rice is a ninth round pick.
Well, we've talked about this hundred word.
Yeah, he had a hamstring injury yesterday.
Oh God, his ADP shifted by like 6 minutes.
Oh no, is that why I'm getting him after Marquis rounds?
Going in the third round now. Oh God.
But still, like, I mean, if that's the case, then Marquis,
like the I, the way I've put it is I think the KC receivers, the
the combination of their AD PS is wrong.
And so if you start putting Rishi Rice in the eighth round,
you're either drafting him in every draft or you're drafting
you're starting to draft Marquis Brown in every draft.
If, if, if Xavier Worthy's falling and I've taken some
breath taking all those dudes, I think it's just so comfortably a
high volume and an efficient passing game.
You want to be in on all those dudes?
I'm hammering Kelsey right now. Just hammering Kelsey.
Hammer him too. The reason I'm kind of getting
out of structure on a lot of these builds is in the back half
of the board. If you go with a running back,
and it's pretty easy to do that with, with Bijan, Gibbs, Breece,
you know, Taylor, there's like guys that I'm very comfortable
taking. But then Kelsey's gonna be, he's
gonna be there in the third, He's probably gonna be there in
the 4th. So very, very, very easily, only
two wide receivers through 4 rounds.
But like Kelsey in the fourth round right now with everything
you just said about the wide receivers, it's like it applies
to him too. And also he's Travis Kelsey.
Yeah. And I was actually just talking
about this with Brick on Lowell's from like a portfolio
standpoint and he used the specific like worthy rice and
obviously Kelsey's included. But it is one of those spots
where like the uncertainty with any one of those say you remove
rice from the equation, say Worthy gets hurt or whatever,
like the other two are gonna be such big benefits of removing
that piece. And because of how much
uncertainty there is, say with Kelsey, with the age Cliff, the
Rashi Rice, like you want to be in on all of those guys because
two of them could just be massive winners if one of those,
you know, pieces is removed or has a finished role.
And, and we've talked about that before leaning into those
situations where it's uncertainty in the past.
It's it's a little tougher in some teams now.
Like the Texans is a great example where you have to pay
for all three of them. The big reason I always say that
the the receivers are missed prices is if Kelsey's 1/4
rounder than the the receivers are mispriced.
But the other way, like Pat just said, is like, you could just be
wrong on Kelsey, but it's somehow or another like we're
we're wrong, somebody's going to be a hit.
We could all we could be wrong on the whole thing.
Like it seems weird. You know, for years we've
basically been like Mahomes can support first round Kelsey plus
receivers priced roughly like this.
So like, yeah, you could, we could like literally 'cause
that's the thing, it's the Chiefs too.
So it's like, what? Is Mahomes really gonna support
fourth round tight end and like 2 mid round wide receivers at
the same time? Yeah, he is.
If Kelsey's 1/4 rounder now you, you got to have somebody else
higher. It just doesn't work.
Pete, you're asking about the other guys and then you rice
range. Part of the reason I don't click
him every time is I really like JSN and Deante Johnson right
like that. Three of them in the 80s is a
nice pocket for me as well where sometimes I'll take a running
back and then go back to that. Usually not like Pat was saying,
James Cook. I have not clicked James Cook.
I'm usually not taking a running back in the 5th, but I might
take one in like the 7th and then come back to that pocket in
the 8th or 6th or 7th or whatever.
But I almost never am happy that I took him.
It's tough. Especially it's really tough,
yeah. Who?
James Cook. Yeah, like I think that's like a
good value on a like a really talented running back.
But like, I mean, if you take him as your RB one in the 5th,
that can be pretty cool, but often it's not.
It's like my RB2 and then I'm like.
He also never falls like Pacheco will still fall.
Joe Mixon will plummet in an individual draft like James
Cook. Never falls.
You're never. I'm getting a.
Screaming deal on him at least. I think he's a screaming value
in like in the 5th. Like I I'd like him as much as
those other guys. So if they're if they're gone
and he's not, I'm like, oh, this is cool.
But yeah, it's just hard to get out of structure.
The Pat Who is Who is your highest drafted player to right
now? Well, so I because I entered all
these drafts at the same time, I'm in like the sixth round of
all of them. So Kelsey's the guy that's
really standing out is I'm taking a lot of him.
I'm taking a lot of Andrew. Still.
I found this little, there's a little mini games right now that
are fun. There's too many games if you're
doing drafts right now, One is make sure you get Davontis
Smith. If you're all on the fence,
Laporta Smith Cup. You take Davontis Smith if Allen
and Hertz are available because Allen is coming back around.
Kelsey also comes back around right?
And then Hertz can come back around.
So you give yourself three different non wide receiver
outs, you grab Smith and then you see who comes back and it
sometimes it's it's hurts. So you've now set yourself up
with a really nice stack and potentially it's like wide
receiver, wide receiver, wide receiver hurts.
That's pretty sweet. The other mini game is on the
other side of the board where you can have, if you have any
Texans and let's say you're out of the two or three hole, you
take Andrews and then that sort of disincentivizes.
Now this, this is contingent on Lamar and Stroud being
available. So it disincentivizes someone to
take unstacked Lamar cause Flowers will be long gone.
And even if they do, now they don't take Stroud.
And so you get Stroud with a stat like let's say you have
digs that you got in the 3rd. So you have Stroud digs, Andrews
bring back. I talked about this.
I talked. About.
That exact. Thing for like.
I just wanted to get off the joke that all I heard was a
another clever way for Pat to justify clicking Marc Andrews at
every draft. Yeah.
I talked about this exact little mini game you just described on
one of the first episodes of the of my new little stealing
signals thing for like 1/2 an hour because I was at the two
and all of those guys were available.
The difference is at the 2-3 I went.
Nico Diggs And so I actually, I, I thought about it long and
hard. I decided that Andrews was the
probably the optimal way to try to hit a home run on the draft.
But I also decide and Kincaid was also available and I ranked
Kincaid higher than Andrews. So I decided I didn't need to
have that the bring back as much as if I lost Stroud on A2.
Like if I'm picking those guys at the two, three turns, Lamar,
he was yeah. And then the turn went Lamar
Andrews, which I predicted, like I was talking to them.
I was like, this is gonna happen.
And then it happened. So I got the Stroud double with
Kincaid, but I I didn't think that was as far of a dropout off
from the from the Andrews bring back as it would have been if
the guy on the turn who did not have a a quarterback yet decided
to take an unsack Stroud for whatever reason.
But then you get Andrews or then you get, then you get Lamar.
But I had I, I see. I, I think if you take Nico and
Diggs of the two three, you're saying there's so much passing
volume that I want, I don't wanna have to get two things
right for a full season perspective.
I don't wanna have to get Lamar right.
Also, just for the week 17 thing, that's a lot of draft
capital to put into both Nico and Diggs.
That's saying that Strout is having a monster season if those
guys are both right. But you're, I mean, if he has a
monster season, you're in great shape 'cause you have, you have.
Well, I want him on my team. I've already made that that bet.
It's not a big it's not. I don't have to have Andrews as
the bring back for week 17, right?
I can still make the the Houston bet and make it with Kincaid.
Right. I thought there was a ton and
I'm like, I, I'm I feel confident.
I think Lamar, yeah, I feel like you.
Have a double. Stroud, 'cause it's Lamar like
you're. Sure.
And then you have Lamar stacked with answers.
You want, I don't think you have to want to get two things right
just to have the week 17 correlation.
You could take Lamar as the as the quarterback correlated with
both those receivers, but I think you already are getting
Stroud right with those receivers and so it doesn't
happen You and you and and we talked about this on the last
show of ship chasing where you don't have to have the bring
back, you can just make the full Texans.
Pay. You can just make the full
Texans pay you. And what if Kincaid's the stud
tight end? I'll be, you know, I mean,
that's that's not hard to see a scenario where the full Texans
bet in Kincaid. Yeah, I have.
I have Andrews over Kincaid so that's probably part of it too.
Yeah, I also think this I, I like what you're saying.
If you only take one of the Texans, 'cause you don't have to
stack up Stroud at that point, I.
Think I still do it. I still do it if I have both,
'cause if if you're giving me Lamar Andrews and a double bring
back to me, I'm like hell yeah. And and, and any time I have an
elite quarterback, I am OK with double stacked pocket passers
'cause I feel like I've got Lamar, I can cover that or at
least get close. Like I'm getting like AI have a
high floor, high floor quarterback.
So plus a high ceiling quarterback so I can cover spike
weeks with big Lamar games. And I'm not ever like losing a
ton at quarterback with Lamar. So Paulino in the chat also says
Lamar could easily outscore chat at Week 17 by himself.
Totally agree with that. I just want to be clear, that's
not what I'm saying at all. What I'm talking about the full
season element. You don't have to have the week
17 element. We talked about this.
You don't act like you don't have to force that.
And if I've already made the full season bet on Diggs and
Nico, for me, I'm already directionally in on Stroud.
I don't have to have Lamar and the Baltimore passing offense be
right 'cause I don't need Week 17.
I don't have to have that, you know what I mean?
Like, I, I want a piece coming back.
I'll take like Rashad Bateman or Devon says Walker later.
Like absolutely I'm going to get a piece from the Ravens 'cause I
need that Week 17 game to blow up.
But I don't have to be like really in on the Ravens from a
full season perspective to make that bet.
And the Ravens, I think are one of the funnest late draft bring
back teams. You just mentioned two of them.
I'll also toss in Isaiah Likely, who has like the most contingent
upside at tight end, especially if you don't go the Andrews
route. That's a further way to
leverage. I'm not having Andrews.
I go Likely. And then we can talk Keaton,
toss Keaton Mitchell in there too, as like a guy who could
potentially be back. So I mean you have really good
late bring backs for cheap on Baltimore.
That was a big part of it. I was like, if I lose Andrews, I
get Kincaid and I have a lot of ways to play it.
I mean, the first thing in my hand is like, I'm gonna take
Devontes Walker. I'll take this rookie late round
guy and he'll be right in Week 17.
It'll be awesome, you know? Yeah, Lamar's in a weird spot
where like, because I've tried to do in a bunch of these
puppies and I'm like, all right, if I'm, if I'm doing all these
puppies and I'm not swinging for the fences on some of these
drafts, like what am I doing? So there's some dead, I've got
some, some dead puppies already. I'm like 6 rounds in, but from
the from the I don't know. No, it's totally pretty.
Yeah. You just pull it up and you're
like, oh, this one's completely dead.
But like I've got Lamar. I've from the from the like 5
hole or 6 hole, even taking Lamar in the 4th and just trying
to get that Andrews to fall to you and it it happens, but it
but it also doesn't happen. And then you're like, well, good
game, but it's Lamar's in such a weird spot because he gets
pulled up to the 3-4 turn sometimes to be with flowers,
right? And then he falls because no one
wants to do what I'm doing sometimes and risk completely
unstack Lamar. He falls to the to the front
half of the board in the fourth round.
And then people try to do the the Andrews stuff, but it's like
he's kind of because of both his guys are on opposite side of the
board. He sits right in the middle.
So then you end up being tempted to take him in the middle of the
fourth round, which is risky as hell.
Yeah. Pat, you would be, you would be
proud of me. I think my third most drafted
guy is Mark Andrews. I got a couple of running backs
up there, Bucky Irving, Chase Brown, my other two most drafted
guys right now and Jane Daniels is is still up there for me as
well. I was gonna ask you guys about
QB. Who did you say other than
Bucky? Chase Brown, Marc Andrews, Jane
Daniels. Yeah, that.
Was a good. One I did just.
What, what are you guys doing at at QB other than, oh, you hopped
to send a draft? Other than Jane Daniels, what do
you guys find in your yourself doing a lot at QB?
Just I mean obviously other than stacking as well.
I have been doing, let's see, I feel like I've, I've been pretty
spread out outside of Daniels at quarterback.
Honestly, it has been buying the dip on those pocket passers when
I have those early guys. So we did it last week, right,
Trevor Lawrence and Tua getting those guys at discounts or
sorry, we got Justin Herbert, but Trevor Lawrence is another
guy I've been doing it with the the Falcons guys.
Kirk Cousins will fall massively.
Aaron Rodgers, he'll fall massively.
Basically just the massive discounts on those statue
quarterbacks when I have their players stacked.
I've been trying to get some more of the the the elite guys
because the prices are really dipping in the puppy, but
they're dipping cause the wide receivers are getting pulled up.
So I just building bad teams. Just building a bunch of bad
teams without wide receivers. Just a bunch of dead.
I was just like, oh, Allen and
the 4th. I mean, I how can I how can like
I'm sitting here like, look, this team is so dead.
I've got I went puka. JT seems fine.
LaPorte at pick 34, six piss picks past 80P seems great.
Allen pick 39. Cool.
I've won where his wide receiver through four.
The guy who falls to me is now Kincaid.
Kincaid is available. Pick 58.
Yeah. The bet The highest wide
receiver's worthy. So what am I supposed to take?
Worthy over? Kincaid was stacked with Allen.
No, I'm gonna take Allen. I'm gonna take Allen and
Kincaid. Bully tight end.
One wide receiver through five rounds.
This team is dead. It's gonna die.
Again, but I do have to Kincaid on principle.
Oh, that's amazing Jefferson fall into six some more.
I mean that's that's getting to be fun.
Yeah. So to refresh for people this
pug, it's a great structure, Three entry, Max $12.00 entry,
20K to 1st. And then the advancement
structure is awesome, 2 of 12, which is similar to a lot of
these, but then one of five week 15 pod, one of five week 16 pod
and then a 62 seat final. So very manageable there as far
as getting to the finals. And you told me you think it's
going to fill by like tomorrow night.
So I can't schedule a drive to to Oregon.
I'm I. Think you would have to go in
the morning? I.
Don't think it's Saturday morning drive's even going to do
it for you. Oh no.
Not with the weekend Puka. A.J.
Brown, Marvin Harrison. Any faves here?
I tend to just take puka. Yeah, yeah.
Let's see, we got we'll go puka here.
And then I was able yesterday on the soul cast.
I I got a a Garrett Wilson A.J. Brown start which I that felt
fun 'cause it's kind of hard to get.
Yeah. A.J.
Brown, Marvin Harrison, Go. So you're looking at Drake
London, JT Ayuk, Olave Barkley. What do you guys want?
London. Yep, London, all right.
Easy game. Easy game.
Dude, I got 1 Garrett, Wilson, Puka Dekua and it felt like, I
mean it's it's impossible to get to the top 12 players.
There's never a guy not in the top 12 who goes in the top 12
that you can actually. So like to get like both, I
mean, Puka and Garrett are what, 910?
Cause Gibbs went ahead of them here.
So they went ten. I mean, just to get puka at 11
sometimes is like, oh, that's, that was nice.
Like they got puka at 11 like. True, yeah, to the point where
it makes even Puka Drake one and feel somewhat.
Yeah, it feels like, I mean it's it's really concentrated after
the first 12 picks. I mean, the 80 PS are like, I
haven't looked at, I looked at a pre draft, but it's like the 12
guys, Gibbs is 11.9, then Harrison's 13.6, there's almost
A2 full and then Drake London's 14.9.
Like it's I don't know how how to articulate that.
But it's a wider gap than it should be for one ranking spot
because like those guys are more likely to fall than to be pulled
up into the first round. So their average is a little
bit, you know what I mean? Yeah, Yeah, it is.
It is great. And like everyone, it's weird
how most people agree. Like we've had this conversation
a bunch. Like people can push back on
Marv or Drake London or a Lava saying they're too hard.
And then everyone's like, well, you got to put someone there.
And yet you would think you would see a little bit more
variation if everyone felt that way.
Like you just go get your guy. Like if Davis wants to take Debo
Samuel at the 1-2 turn instead. But like, but it doesn't really
happen. Everyone just still kind of
falls in line with the ADP. Yeah, there's sort of a, there's
a thing with ADP where it's like, you know, everyone the
last couple years we've kind of come around more to the idea of
like the wisdom of the crowds and like you can kind of you,
you don't want to reach too much and all that.
But like that idea is sort of dependent on ADP being built up
of people doing what they think the best picks are, as opposed
to just like if ADP is just a bunch of people relying on the
ADP and it's not that much wisdom of the crowds anymore.
It's just like we're just doing what we had what we did before.
Do you know what I mean? I I think there's also an
element like I've, I've said this myself for the first round,
like I'll just draft it at ADP because I want exposure to all
of those guys. And the same thing with like, I
don't know, like I want exposure to Olave, IU, Drake, London,
Marvin Harrison. So I'm like, all right, I'll
just guess I'll just draft it at ADP and get my exposure based on
my draft slot. Yes, yeah.
But so it's like this weird thing where like you kind of
want, you want personally to do that, but you're also better off
if you are in an environment where some people are just doing
whatever they think they should do.
Player takes wise and aren't. If everyone's leaning on ADP, it
hurts your ability to lean on ADPA.
Little the one hole pad. As people are pointing out, he's
taking advice from your from your recent slow draft.
Luckily, this isn't what I'm doing.
I mean, this is, this isn't bananas.
That's not what I'm doing. CFC Kyron looking forward to
start there. Good, Kyron.
I mean, just get the discount right now, right?
I mean 8 Chan went went three O 5 might as well take Kyron at
like three O 8 we'll be doing at 2:12 and this is.
This is a May draft. You get CMC correlated, Laporta
pushed up. You get Devonta Smith correlated
with CD Lamb pushed up where? Lots of show offs drafted here
in May. I know the week 17 schedule.
All right, so we're about to pick at 3:11.
We started with Puka and Drake London.
I think I don't like taking puka and cup together.
What do you guys think about that tag I.
Don't think it's a good take. It's highly concentrated.
It's a super highly concentrated offense.
Higbee's hurt. I think it.
I think they're good to take together.
I also am pro taking them together but.
Let's do it, let's do it. I'm fine with it.
I like taking cup here a lot. I I think if you're buying cup
at this price, that Puka's probably a little overpriced,
but I still see the ways that like if the Rams offense is
right, it is very concentrated to your point and like it's the
right way to play it like the play the 2024 season, like the
Rams are great, like just double stacking these two guys.
There's a lot of capital as well.
It is, but it's also like it's all the wide receivers are
priced up, so it's kind of hard to.
We do in. This tank I.
Feel like he's our normal click in this range.
I would also take Josh Allen here.
I'm I'm good either way. I would normally take Tank but
he he intrigued me with this 3 receiver Josh Allen thing he was
talking about before. We let Let's let Pat experiment
with his Josh Allen teams and his puppy slow drafts.
See, I think Josh Allen does make sense with this start
because if you get the Kincaid gift, which is possible, that's
like literally one of the things I've been dealing with.
Then you could also get James Cook.
You're definitely going to have key on Coleman in the 6th if you
want to reach for him. So you're you're like not it's
impossible basically to lock you out of a stack with Allen and
one of or two of the three potential stack options are like
amazing windmill values that that you're just that are that
are somewhat realistic. One one thing I want to say
about again, this is a different structure.
So like people ass like smaller fields, smaller pot odds.
Like the way I kind of calibrate differently is I want to do more
in bigger team stacks because I I don't have to get as many
things right and less week 16 and week 17 bring backs.
I do not have to be, I do not need a bring back to finish
first out of five in a pot. We can you can maybe still talk
about it for the the week 17 with the 60 person or whatever.
But like I'm I'm, I'm as much as I love McBride, like I, I'm not
forcing a bring back to him in this specific structure.
And that's why I do even like the Cooper Cup selection 'cause
it's just like, let's just make a big bet on the Rams on this
team. And if we're right, like this
team's gonna roll. Right, that makes a lot of
sense. Don's comment here said, can the
thesis for cut be that his hamstring injury held him back
last year is why puka was utilized so much weeks one and
two. I wouldn't just stop that at
weeks one and two. I would say like basically for
the whole year. Like, I mean, I, I, I do think
there's a little bit of a conflicting thing where like if
you're in on cup in the third round, you're saying the
hamstring held him back last year, He's gonna have a lot
better of a year this year. And in that case, I think you're
probably saying the price on Puka's a little lofty like that
just to, to like circle back to that point.
But I, I like what Pete just said about this structure as
well. Like, we're making a big bet on
the Rams here. And I think they can both be
very successful in kind of ping pong weeks.
Like, it's not like Puka's a bad pick.
Like, even though I think he's a little bit overpriced cause cops
having a, a bounce back season, he'd still be like, what a mid
second, not a, you know, not a late 1st.
Like he's not like he'd be a fucking 8th rounder.
I'm not saying he's like a, you know, a terrible player at that
point, but like. We're taking A.J.
Brown and Devante Smith. Would you do that or would you
not? Would you do the the Hertz
double? I did that yesterday.
I think you could do that too. It's a lot of it's a lot of
capital. I would actually be more worried
about it with Hertz, 'cause he he runs a lot.
What about the the Dolphins double?
Yeah, I, they're very concentrated and I would be OK
with that too. Yeah, I mean, I, I, I, I think
you're right. Your concentration point's a
good one. My, my main point is Cooper Cup
played twelve games, had 737 yards and five touchdowns.
And that's a big reason why Puka and Akua had the season he had.
If we're taking Cooper Cup in the third round, we're expecting
better than 737 yards in 12 games and and five TDs, right?
Like, and so then what happens to the rest of the passing game?
And, and how does that account for Puka's 1400 yard season last
year? You know, it's a little bit of
a. Puka's really good and Cups has
been a superstar, so I think like if if Cup is a superstar
again, I don't. I think what happens is that the
offense blows up. Which would be sick.
Yeah, I could see that for sure. And I mean, that's why I'm
saying I just think Puka's like a little overpriced in that
scenario, but not like it's not like a a thing you can't do, you
know, I can't. I can see that that working
still. Right.
In this offense, it doesn't have a George Kittle.
It doesn't even have a Dallas Gotter.
Like I mean there is no pass catching talent outside of these
two like the entire offense. It's just them, yeah.
I mean, guys, guys, DeMarcus Robinson exists.
We're taking DeMarcus Robinson on this team.
You realize that? What kind did we get him in last
year in one of our? 38th.
Yeah, 38th. All right, here I said that
James Cook never falls. I.
Know look, we could have had the Allen stack.
That's why I was trying to kind of get you guys on my puppy
experiments. They're crazy mad scientist
experiments. But I do have some results to
share and one of them is that you can get, you can get Josh
Allen, James Cook stacks. We'll see here 2 seconds what
this drafter's gonna do, and then we're on the clock.
Are they going to auto James Cook?
Oh, they auto mix it. I I am fine with James Cook at
this at this price. What do you like it, Gretch?
I would collect Xavier Worthy here like I I like.
I'm so obsessed with this. Priceless.
Thing. Yeah, he's falling, man.
The thing yesterday. So I think we, I mean, I'm not
saying he's not going to go in one of these next two picks, but
I do feel confident James Cook would go.
We'll go. That's right.
We're back up in a second. I wasn't even thinking of that
either. So we grabbed James Cook there.
Not hard to figure out which one of us podcast with Sean on a
regular basis. You're then it's literally like
is every word is here. I, I mean, we haven't talked
about worthy in a while. I just oh.
He went. That's all right.
What about the what about going to Kittle then?
I mean, we got to get into that elite tight end tier, yeah.
Yeah, I mean, I I have no problem.
I've been taking Kittle in this range too.
It's either him or him or Reid for me.
Yeah, I I would be fine with you.
Kittle, Yeah, Let's do Kittle, yeah.
No push back there. What were you saying Gretch
about? Was there another spot you were
talking about? No, Pat was siding with the
other thing and I was just realizing I, I mean, Pat Sean
got me on Worthy in in a draft. We had a big talk about him, but
I haven't talked to him about Worthy in a while.
I just like, it's the thing about Rice's price and Kelsey's
price and I'm just like, I mean, I the and, and were these one at
the 5-6 turn? He's the guy they traded up for
in the first round. Like the man.
I, I just think people are too worried about like what happened
with sky more what happened with Nico Hardman before that.
Like we got all hyped about AKC receiver.
This guy's got a better profile than both those guys.
They they took more draft capitals to get him.
They traded up to go get him. I mean, it's just weird that
he's going this late, especially if we're, if we're, if we're
serious about Rashirai's being suspended for eight weeks, like
6-8 weeks, Like people are taking that very seriously.
It is kind of interesting 'cause the Harrison and neighbors have
completely like broken the seal on what we pay for rookie wide
receivers. But I also think that both guys
are like truly rare wide receiver prospects.
And then worthy, right, is the first guy after those guys.
And he's kind of more in the mix of what we typically pay for
wide receivers, Berkey wide receivers.
I mean, it's still at the very high end, like more in the mix
of what we typically pay like over the last year and a half,
you know, whatever. But it's like, it's kind of
interesting. Like are you saying he should be
up there with neighbors potentially, 'cause I I don't
prospect wise, I think there's like a pretty big gap between
those two. I squeeze, scroll up a little
bit Pete so I can see the fourth round.
I would I would take him over George Pickens.
I would not take him over T Higgins or Tankedale.
I would take him over George Pickens and Amari Cooper.
I I don't know if I would necessarily take him over like
Keenan Allen though 'cause I do start to get like more
interested again that 5th. Turn you want him on.
I think 4-5 turn is where he belongs, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. I don't have much push back
there. Yeah.
So our team here, no quarterbacks because Gretch and
I bullied Pat off of Josh Allen. We have James Cook at running
back, we have Puka Drake, London Cooper Cup tanked out wide
receiver and George Kittle. Just so you know, there's a
version of this team with Josh Allen and Jaden Reed.
It's pretty fun. Pretty.
Fun. I like this.
Too more no tight end. No tight end, yeah.
There's a version of this team that has Dawson Docks of the
18th. Yeah, Fire.
I mean you got to pay like 120 prices to get Khalil Shakur
still like I. Know.
People think he's done a lot more than he's done in his
career. Khalil Shakur like looks good
per route run is like off the chart, 95th percentile looks
good per route run, but his his yards per out run bad.
It's like not good. All this stuff he's done has
been bad. But I, I swear man, you know,
the eye test, the eye test per route run on little Shakira is,
is pretty strong. It is sweet.
I will. I will not deny that.
If you've watched any Khalil Shakur, you're like, this guy's
good. So what?
Should make an index like are you too high on this player like
these are the players. You can watch their tape and
it'll make you want to not select them versus the players
like you need to select more of this guy in your portfolio.
Watch this tape. This guy will wow you.
I've against click clicking Shakur but I need to apparently
watch some tape to get. Me.
No, but I mean you. I don't think he's a go click.
He's just. Go look at his aim logs.
Is what? Yeah, go look at his actual
stats. He looks good on film.
I don't see anything with quarterbacker, tight end here.
For us, David Montgomery correlated with Kittle romandre.
If we want to do the Rashi Rice because we didn't get what's his
face, I'm fine with that. Yeah, Montgomery or Rice here.
Yeah, scratchy those. Two.
Those are my two as well. Do we have a running back
already? Let's take Rice.
Why does he ever five. Yeah, we already got cook.
I like Montgomery a lot in this area, and even without the
correlation, he's a night like he's a stable piece.
Yeah, especially when you're not putting a lot of running back
capital early. He's a nice stable pieces here.
RB1 or RB2? But rice, he took worthy, so he
might have also wanted rice. So it probably makes if you're
trying to get those. Kelsey too.
I wonder how much Weldy got. He would do.
Without Mahomes. But I mean, you got it's A.J.
Brown. You can you're like kind of
betting on both the Chiefs and the Eagles to blow up.
Yeah, sort of makes sense. Yeah, yeah.
No, I haven't. Yeah, he does take Montgomery
there. I think that's fine.
I mean, I even think we could go no running back here if we
wanted to like try to build something out with QB.
The running back pockets coming up in the next couple turns are
fine. You know, I think the wide
receiver five there was pretty key.
To me, yeah, it's just like the running the only quarterback.
Our next stack would be like Purdy, but that's like a pretty
big reach. Yeah.
Yeah, I think we go with it's. RB Yeah, that's fine to go.
RB. Yeah, I can see if there are any
other correlation. You have worn ahead of Swift
even interesting I yeah, I wouldn't be Swift over.
Here. Yeah, I like Rimandre.
I I tend to like Warren better than Swift because he's good and
Swift is bad. Yeah, someone in the said it in
the chat earlier when I asked you your most drafted guys that
you didn't snap, say Jalen Warren.
I'm not too warned yet. I'm stuck in the fifth round.
I I haven't even been able to see Warren yet.
At least another round until I start drafting Warren.
Imagine being this. Pumped about how many?
How? Imagine being this pumped about
a player in an Arthur Smith offense.
Like how many Arthur Smith players have you draft?
Player a player a running back. Ben, that's this whole thing.
He's like, you know, he's running back.
Dude, they're gonna use a, they're gonna use Cordell
Patterson like they're gonna give him 100 carries this year.
They. Are they're gonna use 3 bags,
Cordell? Patterson is 37 years old.
Yeah. I'm not looking that up.
I agree. But he's they're still gonna
give him carries. He's only 30.
Three, they're gonna give Benny Snell carries.
They're gonna, they're gonna, they're gonna sign Benny Snell
to a one day contract and give him, they're gonna bring Jerome
Bettis out of retirement and give him carries like it's this.
Could be ridiculous, I don't know.
I think it's strange that there isn't more enthusiasm for a guy
who is like one of the most efficient rushers in the entire
NFL last year and is now in a super run heavy offense behind a
guy who's like very whatever seems seems like pretty good
bet. What a Let's talk about Madre
Stephenson. I did learn Naji Harris dude
Naji Harris had 27 carries in week 17 and Jalen Warren still
hit like I don't know, 1718 half PPR points.
This is your new favorite stat line I've heard you say.
It's crazy. 2727 carries and it didn't.
It didn't block Warren. Warren cannot be blocked.
He's too good. Let's talk about Romandre,
though, because I feel like he's a guy that you click and then no
one ever wants to talk about him.
Know what I mean? Like Pet Pet does your your
Drake May enthusiasm. Does that not trickle down to
what that could mean for the running game?
I mean, I take Romandre sometimes, but I don't know,
like Romandre is coming off a pretty concerning year.
He's he hasn't been all that efficient as a receiver last
couple years. Antonio Gibson's there.
So he does feel fairly fragile. The bet on the bet on talent,
you know, thesis is a little shakier than it looked a couple
years ago. So I think he's fine.
I think he's like totally fine. Yeah.
This is why no one talks about he he.
Totally. I feel like people kind of like
are like double counting the Antonio Gibson thing because
they don't like Remandre relative to what Antonio Gibson
has shown in his career and his ability to earn touches in a
backfield, which has not ever happened.
Well, the only. Thing pretty damn good run out
for Remandre. Yeah, that's fair.
That's the only thing that he's done, though, is played on
passing downs. And so that's like I I've taken
some of Remandre. I think he's a fine pick here,
but the, the one thing that scares me is that the one like
the skill that the guy they brought in has is like he it's
got limited skills. He's they Washington completely
gave up on giving him rush attempts.
Like, like they stopped doing it.
But he's a receiver, a receiving back.
And like that's what he does. He was a receiver and and you
know, we have already done this in college, but it worries me
because Stevenson's value was this big back who does
everything and he was a good receiver And we've seen him have
the full value of the role. Hit 69 catches in 2022, then we
had 38 last year. Zeke was catching all his balls
and it's like, I think we're moving the wrong direction
there. I want to get back up to 60
receptions, you know? Yeah, I agree.
We're about to pick here. Just one pick before us, based
on ADP Najjoku hanging around. Then there's Trey Benson,
Javonte Williams, Mike Williams, the one kind of wide receiver
before. We enter.
The dreaded DOB Shakur tier. I like all those picks.
The guy that is my Jalen Warren for Karina is Javante.
I've been taking a lot of Javante.
I didn't mention him at the top of.
The show I like Javante too. I would know Benson correlates.
Yeah, let's take Benson. He's a better fit for this too.
We got we, we need some Javante's a better like RB1 or
RB2, but Benson's a better RB three, Yeah.
I've gotten Javante. I got him at 1:20 in a DK555.
I've taken, I've been taking a lot of Javante.
You're you were making the case for him, Ben and our ADP chasing
discord. I thought it was pretty
convincing. It's like, you know, we're you
can, you can like kind of talk about the reasons that we're
lower on Javante than we were, but like he's going at like pick
100. So like, yeah, we're all a
little bit less enthusiastic about Javante, but this is a
former really strong prospect. You go back and look at his
prospect profile. Like it, it was very good and
you know, we were I think maybe a little over excited after his
rookie year, but we're he could he could recapture some of that,
I think. I'm fine doing Devante.
I'll also mention Mike Williams, who does also.
Play against our what do you want to do, Pete?
I we don't have said Devante. I've taken and let Mike.
Williams click for me. Yeah, let's do it, Let's do it.
I like Williams. He also gives us another
quarterback out and we're probably likely headed to A3
quarterback build here, which I like.
I should also say Hayden had asked Benjamin Albright today
about the Broncos. Let me actually just pull up
this exchange here quickly away from the draft board because
this is kind of interesting. Hayden said, I know the Broncos
can save 3 million with AP Rein release trade.
Do you think they want him for the season or is there just no
point in moving on from him until they see the rookies?
Jaleel in training camp. He said, I think you see
everyone in camp first, but barring injury, I think Denver
running back room is he doesn't even mention P Rein.
He says Javonte won estimate 2, Jaleel 3, Watson 4.
And then if this is the case, P Rein's the only one who even has
a a case to do both the rushing and the receiving, and P and
Peyton's always had those different roles.
If this is the case, estimate didn't catch anything in in
college. I think they they drafted him to
be the Kyrie Robinson, the Chris Ivory, the early career Mark
Ingram, that power back. Man, that's a good one.
That's the guy that he's had, Peyton has always had, like I
didn't have it last year and Jalil or Watson.
You're looking at like a little bit more of the receiving back
type. It was Reggie Bush than it was
Darren Sproles. Javante's the the middle guy,
the Pierre Thomas and then it's the later career Mark Ingram.
And then it's what Kamara became.
And that's how they used him last year. 264 touches.
The other two backs combined for 2:10.
They were involved, but they were 50 touches behind him
combined. I mean, Javante was the guy it
it wasn't efficient. He wasn't good.
But Peyton was like, this is the dude that I'm using in all
phases and and he's the starter and then the other guys.
It's a committee. It's always a committee with
Sean Payne. But like Javante is gonna get a
lot of work and then this is a an offense that we want to be in
on. The running backs I still want
to be in on if that's the depth chart I'm gonna draft.
I don't know if I'm gonna draft a lot of Jaleel or Blake Watson,
but you want to get a pass catcher further down that list.
I don't think it's gonna be estimate 'cause they're gonna
rotate P Rein last year, 50 plus catches and he only had like 50
carries. He was a one for one like
reception and carry guy. But the 50 catches matter like
in PPR. Formats dude.
I wish P Rein would get cut now so we can see if he lands
somewhere because P Rein was good last year.
P Rein has been good. He's been usable.
Like I would love to see him as a, as a draftable RB2 somewhere.
Like go to the cults like that. I now I know to draft P Rein on
the as the RB2 on the cults like great or whatever.
You know, like go somewhere where we don't know who the RB2
is and then we do know it's P Rein that that would be a real
nice addition to the player pool.
I think. I think he could make some noise
if he lands in a good spot. Yeah, chat is the chat doesn't
like Javante. I love this.
I love that no one wants to be in on him.
I mean it's why is the chat I feel I don't know everyone.
'S everyone is Jaleel McLaughlin pilled that's.
I see it. It's it's the same thing.
There was a similar conversation earlier about Jayden Reed too.
And like I get it, like playing the offenses, especially where
there's some ambiguity through the cheaper pieces, I think is
generally a pretty good way to handle situations.
But like when you are talking about guys like Javonte Williams
and Jayden Reed, I mean like having zero percent of those
guys are full fading because of that dynamic is not the way to
apply it at. Least the chats really caught up
on No, I, I completely the chats really caught up on Javonte's
skill and I think that's an important point.
The point that I'm trying to drive home about the value of
his actual workload even in a committee last year with the 264
touches and all the receiving. And then also the cost is that
you're going to get like enough work that you're free rolling
efficiency. Even if he's inefficient, he's a
fine piece at that at that price unless he completely gets phased
out. But.
He gets phased out. If it's if it's year 2 back from
the from the knee and like we knew he was coming off multiple
ligaments last year. No one expected him to be the
most explosive back in the league.
We were drafting him really late last year too.
So we're on the clock here. I think one of these two picks
should probably be Kirk Cousins. I think we could probably push
Stafford, you know, based on their ADP 1:45.
We're at 1:34. I think this is a running back,
wide receiver, a tight end pick. We're at six wide receivers.
Do you guys like anything here? Charbonne, Rico.
Jerry, Judy. I'm fine just grabbing cousins
if you want to do that. Yeah, let's do that.
There's a couple other options. So if we want to do Cousins on
this turn. Did I get it?
Fuck, my first Mistry mistake of the year.
What happened? What do we get?
What? Do we have?
We can't even see who. Timed out.
Justin Herbert, my fucking. Guy fucking A.
Say hello to. Get ready to learn.
Josh Palmer is. Palmer available or not?
Is Palmer available? God damn it.
And that works great. Oh my God, we have to take Quinn
Johnson. Where's Quinn Johnson's ADP?
He's at 144. Jesus.
Maybe Mike Williams gets traded back there.
Do you want to do? It's like the it's like the
Hardman. They just are like man, it's.
Probably a running back pick. Now you got.
Rico's Charbonne. Yeah, Charbonne is good.
Gus. Gus is.
Gone. I think Gus is gone.
Gus is gonna catch past. Let's take Vidal.
Let's just take Vidal, dude. Now if we could give Vidal at
the next Come on, Jesus, I can't believe that.
It's not the end of the world, is it?
It's not the end of the world, it's just brutal when we have
Stafford, Kirk and Aaron Rodgers outs and then, yeah.
Of all the quarterbacks at this range, anyone else would have
been fine. I wanted it to be like, at least
if you're getting the. Unstacked.
Oh my God, Stafford went the very next pick to way ahead of
ADP. Why?
Why unstacked? You already have.
Completely unstacked. You have with Lamar.
With Lamar, you got to go unstacked, Stafford.
It's the Blake Korum correlation dude.
Jesus, wow. Wow, I don't know if that was
just A twist the knife pick, in which case well done, but if
you're trying to build a good team.
Not. Not so much.
The bid equity, Congrats, that was good.
Jesus. You guys want to just fire up a
new one? We only got 3 entries in this,
but this one's. Dead.
Nope, this is This is the new thing.
Pat puppies this this team is deader than anything I've done.
Last year you wrote an article. Snipe me.
Don't care, I get additional stacks.
It's not I I didn't write an article called Time Out on
Justin Herbert. Doesn't matter, I tell.
You this Pat? Time out, who cares?
No, listen, we are going to stack up Justin Herbert.
Guess what Pat? We have other stacks as well.
We just opened up a path to an additional stack you didn't even
know was available. Yeah, Quinton Johnston and
fucking Will Disley. Now we're used.
I've got QJ too. We're gonna be.
Pissed will you? Will you star DJ Shark please?
I am a star. I'm gonna draft him in the 16th
round. Yeah, Here's the thing, guys.
I heard all the camp enthusiasm about Lad Mcconkey.
We didn't get Lad and I said how do I get access to Lad in this
way? We gotta get access to LAD.
Yeah, Herbert. I get access to LAD through
unstacked Herbert. No, listen, I'm not gonna.
I am going to spin zone this. We're gonna end up with two
chargers. We're gonna get Quinton Johnson
and DJ Shark. We already have the Bring Back
with Romandre Stevenson in week 17.
Just trust it. Quentin, Justin goes.
We're so dead. We're so dead.
Of course, the Christian Catholic Kyrie has gave the four
to drafter. Before we got it that we didn't
get Quentin Johnston. Before the additional stab on
Quentin Johnston, Pete brought me back just a tiny bit of hope
when he when he pointed out that Justin Herbert correlates in
week 17 with Romandre and then Quentin Johnston went the 1st.
What is he even QJI want to know?
Was this ahead of ADP? No, I was right at ADP.
We should have taken QJ when we timed out on Herbert is what it
is. We should have taken QJ before
we had Herbert. No, when?
Once we timed out on Herbert, we should have taken him over
Chardonnay. Yes.
No shot this this room, it did not let us off the hook for
that. Time You know what I'm I'm gonna
wear this one. This is all my fault for just
carrying on about Javonte Williams.
We we, we got on the clock and I was still making the Javonte
Williams. Conversation.
I thought my nimble fingers were gonna pull it out.
I got in tab tab hell. Guys, to to be clear, the
version of of this team with Josh Allen, this doesn't happen
on that team. No, it does.
It isn't. Even No, because we wouldn't be
looking for Kirk Cousins. We wouldn't be looking for Kirk
Cousins when we have AEP. No, I still would have gotten
typed out. Then we would have Josh Allen
and fucking. Justin Kerber All right guys, DJ
Sharks ADP is two O 4.6. What point do we draft him?
At 179. All right, 18170 At 182.
OK, All right. Brutal.
That was just not not the best. Greg.
Greg does not have to wear this one.
Why is Greg wearing it? 'Cause I was going on and on
about Javonte and go and give us like a 10 second.
Clock. Yeah.
You learned Aaron Rodgers went, too.
So look, in hindsight, when Stafford and Rogers are both
going to go. Oh, wait, yeah, yeah.
Oh. Well, we would have got and
cousins, they all. Went oh, we would have taken
alright, we. Were trying to yeah, was come
on. But I'm bringing you back.
Yeah, back. Let's go.
Can you just picture it right now?
Videl and Romandre 3 closed Week 17.
There's the drum beat, the drum beat starting for Videl,
starting right here on ship chasing because we got we really
need them. That's that's.
All I don't know if you guys remember the the legendary
Jamaal Charles week where he scored six touchdowns in the
fancy playoffs, but fun fact, five of those were receiving and
I'm pretty sure come on, Vidal's closest comp is Jamaal Charles.
So we we got the five receiving touchdowns coming from Justin
Herbert. We are gonna need to get a
second quarterback as well. So is there any other of these
tight ends or wide receivers you want to set up with a second
quarterback? We could just, we could just
play it through the one running. And do do do, my boy May, Yeah.
Gretch, you see anything else here?
The the wide receivers, the Broncos guys are both here.
Malachi Corley if we wanted another Jet, but that doesn't
help our stack problem. But Denver thing would be fun.
Drake may think it'd be fun, too.
Those are all. Yeah, that's cool.
Let's do. That are you?
Are you guys Mims or Franklin here?
I can't believe all the other stacks went.
Or I'm fine with Franklin if you want to do him.
It doesn't really. Matter.
I don't care. I don't care.
Yeah, I'll probably be Franklin actually, because they drafted
him despite having had Mims, but.
They did trade Judy and then right before trading him said we
couldn't play Mims 'cause we had Judy and then they traded Judy.
So that seems like a weird offseason for Mims.
It's been nice, yeah. It's been a roller coaster,
yeah. Sean Payton not a reliable
narrator when it comes to Marvin.
Mims, he's not as anything, but he was a second round pick and
then Franklin was a fourth round pick.
Like it seems like, I don't know, it's hard.
It's hard to price. Have you guys caught the, the
whole Sean Payton meme where he like he was so excited about how
he, he baited everyone to trade up?
And then other people have been starting to make fun of that
'cause it sounds like, I mean, somebody had it on Twitter,
can't remember who that, that reports were.
No one else had a first round grade on Beau Nick.
So like he wasn't actually like baiting anyone.
He wasn't doing anything clever, but he thinks he was really
clever about it. And so it's like he tricked
everyone else into drafting the quarterbacks that they actually
wanted. So it's a good little niche meme
that's been billing. Yeah, it might, might just turn
out that Drew Brees was really good.
Yeah, that might be that might be the case.
Yeah, and that the Broncos should have all the that those
picks they gave up and money that they should have just tried
to coax. Drew Brees.
They might that they might as yeah, that they might as well
have just traded for Dennis Allen.
Yeah, really. Really was the same.
In this week's edition of Corporate Chasing, we got Ryan
Hodge here in the corporate office setting.
Double screen plus laptop here. This is nice.
This is how you do ship chasing. That's right.
Or how you get fired. One of the two, yeah.
Yeah. People are have been demanding
for the OR requesting the doctor's notes ship chasing
doctor's notes for Mondays now the best ball breakfast the
Gretch stream and ADP chasing covering the seven plus hours 8
hours I think of of streaming on Mondays.
Why is this board delayed? Right?
Should we hire should we hire some some very unethical Dr. to
to write out doctor? Like, did you see Conan O'Brien
on Hot Ones? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, his doctor
we could get. His doctor.
We could get that guy. Yeah, OK.
I I watched one of the episodes of his new travel show.
It's very funny. It is funny.
That that that hot one's performance was just, it was
incredible. It was epic.
Who was it? Conan.
Conan O'Brien. He's it's kind of the perfect
format for him. Yeah.
He's yeah, I know Conan's like I, I, I, I've never been a huge
fan of like the late night format, you know, And so it's
nice to see him kind of untethered from that.
Just do whatever. He wants Yeah, he and he's
really the IT is way more of a comedy show than a travel show.
No, Yeah, it is one. Episode I saw.
It really is. All right, let's think.
Through you could do Juwan and that opens up a back door stack
if we want. Or if we want to do Javon Baker.
Baker's Pool. But we do need a tight end.
I think we have to take DJ Shark here, right that.
Too. That's gross, but don't we have
to stack? Up.
Just do it. Just do it.
Just because we know these people are ready to hurt us.
Yeah, we're broken. We're.
We just shot the DJ shark. We.
You, you win room. 45 picks AT80P we got to lock him.
Up Well, you had that. A Justin Herbert, Kamani Vidal,
DJ Shark double stack will be very unique in this small
tournament. Can you at least concede that?
Yeah, it'll be a unique collection since we had to take
Shark 30 picks. I heard of where it should go.
Who else also got to sneak in three other picks after DJ
Shark? These guys.
Do you want to do the Juan Johnson?
Thing. Yeah, yeah.
What's wait? Oh.
It gives us a backdoor stat It's gross.
Yes, it is. It gives us a cousins, I mean, a
car, yeah. It gives us car.
We still have bone Nicks and is may gone now.
Did that happen too? No, no, he's still.
There basically all right. All right.
So we, I think we've covered ourselves, knock on wood to have
at least one quarterback off. The low key bigger thing than
your time out was that Stafford went so far ahead and Cousins
and Rogers all went until we got back up.
This, this Stafford pick is just insanely egregious.
I've, I have no reason to tell, I did this to myself, but
Stafford at 1:35 with Blake Quorum on a Lamar Jackson team
is just I can't. It's right.
It's a lot, a lot, guys. I have a really, really good
pick for us in the 18th round. Hell yeah.
I'm not going to say 'cause I'm more.
Back because we're taking two of them.
Oh, is it a quarterback? All right, Let me try to
convince you that we should take one more wide receiver 'cause I
think Coral we got to build play in this correlation.
So is it Brendan Rice? Are you playing?
No, no, come. On come on, we, we got to, we
got to be using bigger, bigger guys out.
Of so you're saying that you are so much of A Drake May bowl that
you are ready for Justin Herbert at pick 131 and Drake May as our
quarterback room? No, dude, I'm saying we bet on
Justin Herbert. We need to.
We need to double down that bet. Justin Herbert's going off in
Week 17, do you not say? Will Disley.
He is. He is going off so much that the
Raiders are now going off on the other side.
The Raiders a total mess of a team trying out anything they
can get. Don't say Michael Gallup.
They have a wide receiver emerges from the locker room,
heads back to LA for his revenge.
Justin Herberts keeps scoring touchdowns.
On the other side, Jalen Guyton catching deep bombs, bringing
him back. Jalen.
Booed him from the show. Jalen Guyton plays for the
Raiders. Yeah, plays for the Raiders.
It's his revenge game. Bring back.
We got it. We got to draft him.
There's never been a worse player touted on this show.
Wow. Jalen Guyton bring back baby.
I gave you three better options while interrupting your
soliloquy and you landed the play with Jalen Guyton.
It's a revenge game. If what's?
The Jalen Guyton yards per route run last year on a better team
on Zero 107. Nine routes too high .5 O .5 O
Unreal Point 5. O people don't understand.
How this guy won best Balmania with these kind of takes?
I mean, I won it with Taiwan Thornton.
So it's not that that that different really Dusty S wide
receivers in the 18. Yeah.
Fairpoint. Fairpoint.
It's not. It's not even a week 17
correlation either. That's shit.
Yeah, I was thinking about the Saints the whole time.
I don't know where I got there. I thought you said week 16 and I
was like, I don't. Know 16 no, I was also wrong
about the matchup. I don't know.
Once we took doesn't Herbert I this was coffee and I just
poured bourbon in it. I I.
Kept it was Herbert. I was like, hey.
Amber now. I'm wasted.
Can't you just picture the interview?
So how did you guys win the tournament?
It was that Jalen Guyton bring back in week 16 in our five man
pod that did it for us. It's what pushed us over the
hump, OK? Pat and I having a great show.
We're just being loose here, Mike.
What? Mike, I'm.
Having a good time. I thought he's having a great
show. This is officially shit chasing
now. I mean that's that's a better
combat. We are chasing a shit team.
Oh man. All right, so we do have a, we
have a, we have a Choose your own adventure here.
This time I will utilize the queue two of these three Derek
Carr, Drake May and Bo Necks. Do we have their bias mashup?
Great. Do we have a BI?
May and Next both have week 14? OK, yeah, Charles can't take, we
can't take that particular combo.
We got to take Carr first. OK, I think right, because he
has the highest ADP too. Guyton does the correlation now.
We could just 'cause we're taking Jayla Kaiden.
I don't think any quarterback I think we could do.
We want to do car in May. Yeah, car.
Car in May or car in Knicks? Oh yeah, no, let's do car in
Knicks. All we have for May is Romandre.
Right. Yeah, that's true.
That's true. Is a better correlation play?
Yeah, we at least have a receiver for Knicks.
Wow, Pat, letting go. This is not how I thought our
our wide, our quarterback group would shake out of the drafts.
No, when we double stacked Kuka and Kump I assumed we wouldn't
go Herbert Carr and Nick dude. More stacks.
We got so many damn stacks on this team.
Yeah, we sure do. Yeah, I thought this team was
preloaded with Stafford, Kirk, Cousins and Rogers.
I was like, that's the three quarterback team here.
Yeah. It's beautiful.
There's a version of this team with Josh Allen and with Jayden,
Jalen Gutten, the guy in Double Correlation Saints, Chargers,
But you guys wouldn't let me do it.
You guys just wouldn't let me do it.
All right, here's the final team.
It was a journey getting there to 3582.
Justin Herbert, Derek Carbonex. I do just want to mention Justin
Herbert 4 picks past 80P. Oh.
Running back James Cook right after I said the guy never
falls, that he falls to 59. Ramadre Stevenson, Trey Benson,
Zach Charbonnet and the man who unlocks it all Kamani Vidal.
Wide receivers Bukanakua Drake London Cooper Cup Tank del Rashi
Rice, Mike Williams, Marvin Mims, DJ chart.
Honestly, a good wide receiver room tight ends.
George Kittle, Juan Johnson, Everything about this team is
crimulent except what the fuck happened that quarterback.
I don't really know how it happened.
I mean, I guess we were always going to be tilted because that
guy's always taking Stafford there.
Like we it's Kirk Cousins stacks and then we that'll that kind of
looks way more normal, but it was always going to be some
weird 3. Quarters well, but if we have
cousins, then we're not panicking to take like Videl and
Shark and we're. That's true.
We're doing way more. Yeah, that's a great point.
We're taking like Javon Baker and then May and then it's like
a little. More fun?
Yeah, we're just. Drafted in the basic bitch team
that everyone is. Drafted in the pug instead we
got unique baby. All right, beautiful.
You gotta, you gotta get the reps in guys.
You gotta get the reps They can't all be.
This is why I slow draft. If you don't wanna if you don't
wanna be this stressed out, come hang out with me on the Stealing
Signals YouTube channel. We got all the time, all the
time with. This one, I normally navigate
those spots, clicking air. I'm gonna go in the lab.
We're gonna do some dexterity exercises.
You you should release a thing like a a finger exercise video.
But then there's gonna be a a campaign attack ad against
against me and they're gonna just highlight this.
They're like this guy. I will say someone said the star
method fixes this. I'll disagree.
The star method exasperates this because what if you had another
quarterback in there whatever way down the ADP?
Then you're accidentally timing out on a player who at least
isn't an ADP value. In this case I was always gonna
get us an ADP value with my timeout.
Yeah, that's thank God. Thank God for the ADP value on
Herbert. Hey I think this stacking stuff
has gone too far if if Justin Herbert falls 4 picks past ADP
you fucking run to the podium and fumble around so he gets
auto drafted. Oh my.
God, all right, What do you guys got going on in your necks of
the woods, Gretch? Any other streams this week?
I just did one right before our show and I didn't realize lols
was on. Remember, I've been asking you
like all week trying to not overlap, but I wrote an article
this whole morning on the eliminator format, which is a
big article. Over at the.
Stealing signals sub stack. Yeah, it's a fun format and I'm
like super into it. And so I wrote up a a huge thing
that I think is like a really good dive into like ways to play
that. I just sent that like an hour
before the stream and I was on the clock in 23 of my drafts and
I was like, all right, I'm gonna fire up a pre stream stream.
And then the people that chat were like, dude, Pete's on Lolz
right now you're competing with Lolz.
You're an idiot. And I had like way fewer people
watching, but it was a it was a fun time stealing signals
YouTube. I'm trying to get people to
subscribe and and all that stuff turn on notifications 'cause I'm
just gonna randomly go on on make some go live at random
times and make some low draft picks.
But yeah, that's the the fun new project right now.
Awesome. I'll drop that link in the chat
again. Like I said, if you guys go to
theyoutube.com/ship Chasing on the kind of home page for our
YouTube, I have all of the YouTube channels there, so make
sure you guys are subscribed to all of those.
I just dropped it. Oh no, that's the ship chasing,
which I assume you guys are familiar with already.
How about stealing signals here? youtube.com/stealing signals?
Yeah, we should do. We should do an Eliminator draft
one of those weeks. I'm excited about that format
too. Pat, What about you podcast?
I'm doing a episode tomorrow with Jacob Sanderson.
We're going to talk through kind of the landscape of drafts.
He had a really good post on kind of looking at the
landscape. I, I really kind of agreed with
a lot of what he had to say, but I just think it's kind of, it's
just like it's a really interesting year.
Like, you know, the prices are, are very different and it's sort
of like how do we attack the, the values without getting left
behind? So we're going to talk through
that conversation. And then also doing legendary
sickos tomorrow, doing a mailbag episode.
So I just threw in, in the discord, legendary upside
discord in the mailbag channel. Throw in any questions you have
there. We'll, we'll go through those.
And then on the site, we just launched FFPC rankings.
So Connor Driscoll's been helping out converting the the
rankings that we have to FFPC and he's drafting with them,
drafting some real bangers. So excited to have those up on
the site. We are going to be working on
drafters rankings now, so that'll be probably another
couple weeks before we get those out.
But we've got Draftings, FFPC and Underdog now live on
Legendary upside and they're they're updating every day.
Sweet. Yeah, I have a video posted a
couple days ago on the Deposit Kingdom channel talking all
through how to think about correlation Actually featured
some stuff from our episode last week when we drafted post
schedule for the first time. And I used our team as kind of
an example as far as my preferred ways to correlate.
So if you guys like what you see around here, definitely check
out that. And then I also did a challenge
draft that is gonna post on the Deposit Kingdom channel where I
spun a wheel and the challenge I got was I had to draft at least
nine players from Dome games. I ended up doing more than that
and I actually didn't love the team.
So I thought it was kind of a good exercise of like what
happens when you go out of your way to kind of force things as
opposed to letting the draft come to you.
So that. You end up with Justin Harvard.
What's that? Did you end up with Justin
Harvard? I'm trying to think that Team
Stafford on it. Yeah, that team went out of its
way to get Stafford. Exactly.
Stafford And then you mentioned the Jacobs article and that
along with some stuff we've been talking about, and Madison Park
Hill had a really good Yeah, I'm gonna go on the lab and take the
elite tied in video. Nice.
I want the elite tied. In video.
There's so much good stuff out there.
So Dubner and I are going to work on that.
It is the year of the elite tight end.
But yeah, hope everyone has a great Memorial Day.
I believe, Pat, you guys are not going to do ADP chasing next
week, right? Monday or Tuesday?
We're taking a week off on ADP chasing because it normally
falls on Monday. Yes, I'm just going to flex best
ball breakfast to Tuesday, so no shows Monday, but I'll have the
regular block on Tuesday and I think that is.
I don't think I'm doing anything Monday, so I might take that
window for anybody who wants it over stealing signals, anybody
who's not busy on Memorial Day. Memorial Day with Gretch
barbecuing up those slow drafts. They're that's right, they're
gonna be they're gonna be gone soon enough.
So I'm trying to fire up these streams while I gotta draft all
these damn teams. Yes I.
Yes, more randomizer. Randomizer's gonna return a week
from tonight actually, Yeah, I'm in the working on with some
production guys on that and yeah that'll be coming back next
Thursday. I think it'll probably fill
where our ship chasing slot was. It'll probably be 8:00 PM on
Thursdays. Also, I see Bindles in the chat.
I'm gonna I'm doing a stream with him tomorrow night on his
channel. Keep an eye out for that.
So yes, all kinds of good stuff there.
Appreciate you guys hanging out. This has been ship chasing.
We'll see you guys next time. Peace.