Good morning from sunny Buffalo. I'm Mike Schoa.
We've got two of our 3 heroes with us today, Pat Ferain and
Davis Matic. Halfway or thereabouts through
the NFL season. How's it going?
And we'll look at next year. Some of these tournaments, they
call them never too early or way too early.
This is obnoxiously early, but still fun.
That's why you watch. I'm Mike Schoa with Patton
Davis. Thanks for being with us.
November 4th, 2025. This is ADP chasing.
ADP chasing is for when you watch ship chasing you go these
guys are just football guys. I have my 4% exposure blanket to
stay poor. Actually back in if it's
Ashanek. It's tear into our crystal ball.
Close your eyes, you know all your entries are going to lose.
Anyway, yeah. That's fair.
You're not going to tell me all this way I was here.
It's anti cabal, it's anti the best ball thought leader.
I'm obviously lying to some degree because like, I have a
lot of both of these guys. It's the most.
Disgusting thing you can make but.
Man. We'll say that Jacob is on
assignment. Exciting times in our
households. I think my kids are teenagers
eating the absolute everything out of my pantry every day.
Pat's 11 month old daughter is learning words and Davis's wife
is due in three days so it's a great time 18.
Month old daughter. 18 months. A shorter seven months?
Come on, she's almost 19 months. Really.
So she's 18 months, Yes. Sorry about that.
Davis, how are you? Holding up, you know, I mean,
we're just, we're just happy to, to have another day of grinding,
you know, waiver wire content for my boys.
Like every, like my, my dream was for him to come on Monday
because then I get another week of work done.
Like every every additional Sunday he gets through, that's
another week of work knocked out of the park for me because the
work and and gives me, you know, it's so let's say he's born on
Monday. I don't know who plays on
Monday, but let's say he's born on Monday.
Green Bay, Philadelphia. Green Bay so I wouldn't want to
watch that game anyway. That game sucks so then so.
Then there are worse match ups than Green Bay, Philadelphia, if
I can just sort of slip that in, but as you were saying.
And we're sending it to Germany. I get.
So let's say I take two weeks off.
I could maybe even theoretically do week 12 Sunday.
That's 13 days of just being with the kid.
Is there any room for a middle name to be associated with
whatever game is being played or watched?
Oh, that's interesting. When the moment comes.
So we actually, we actually are undecided on a middle.
Name. Here we go.
Could could you get Patrick as the middle name?
I do. I floated.
I floated every combo of like relevant Chiefs player to which
they've all been immediate, no? Brashard was shot down.
I mean, he's just not doing enough, I think is probably what
happened there. Not not producing.
Come on. Not.
Producing. What about Andrew?
Have you floated Andrew? Have you floated Andrew?
That could be sneaky. That could be.
That could be sneaky. You got to you got to make sure
if you're going to name a child after an athlete at all, he'd
better he or she had better be good like you can't.
Also, if you want to get real stinky with it, you'd be like.
I like Drew as a nickname. I think it's a cool nickname.
Honestly to. Thinking about Andy.
To honor his dad. It's actually a much better bit
if the athlete's bad or or or mediocre because of my obsession
with like fringe 47th guys on NFL.
Rosters Lauby is a middle name you don't hear that often.
Yeah, Dylan, you know Mccole. Jeff.
Jeff yeah, a lot of ways, a lot of ways to go with that one.
Laird, yeah, would be a nice old mod.
Well, there's Patrick again. There's, you know, Patrick
really would be. The signs, the signs are
literally everywhere saying it's got to be Patrick, but it's
just, it's just not going to happen.
Well, if it's Patrick, I mean, who am I to say?
There's a Patrick in the room. But you could just sort of
change the story over the years depending on how you want it to
fit. Like you, there's Patrick.
You, you guys just you know this is not your fault.
You guys just don't know my wife.
She is just way too smart for any of this stuff.
Yeah, no, she's not. I mean, that one's not.
Falling for my shit. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I I would. Jacob isn't here to nominate
hockey players for this this idea.
Well, well, Patrick works for hockey players as well.
The greatest goalie in the history of the game?
Patrick Wah, obviously Peter, Peter Forsberg tried that.
No go have. You tried this?
It says here your middle name is week 17.
Is all that matters. It says, it says here that week
17 is all that matters. Yeah.
Andrew. Andrew gets 2 because.
Oh, Josh Cole, short for me, Cole.
Oh ho ho ho, Josh, I'm. Gonna.
I'm gonna try them. I'm gonna.
Try. I mean, we could go, we could go
all day and sometimes have Tony is sitting right there.
But you throw the E in Tony and now you've got a reference.
Otherwise, it's just sort of a cool normal name.
Tony. Yes, yeah, I've tried, I've
tried, I've tried all these. You've done all this, but you've
done all. You've run, You've run all these
labs already. Yes, you've tried, Tony.
Oh yeah. Man, Yeah, OK, so she's just,
she's way ahead of you. Because she watches all the
games with me. So she like she, she oh, not
every Chiefs game. She probably watches 70% of
Chiefs games with me. So she she knows.
There's no way, Taylor. Would fly coming then, yeah.
Taylor might fly, but I don't know if I want.
No, you don't want that. I don't know if I'm crazy about.
That big decision, it's a big decision.
Yeah. First name is in the bank
already. First name is in the bank all.
Right, we don't. I'm not asking you to spoil it.
Excited. Can't wait to see what workload
how the workload changes for you.
I told this to them on ship chasing on Sunday, but I'm just
referring to my son as Patrick Xavier on social media.
It's not actually, it's not actually his name, but that's
what I will be doing. I just.
I literally can't imagine a greater bit.
That's so good. It's so good, it's so good.
I I just so so his name will be, you know, like, like I think
like like Mayo doesn't say his kids names on on air or
whatever. So I'm just that it, it's it it
works two ways. It's just that it's an
incredible bit. Or maybe actually maybe this is
the better bit. Constantly referring to him as
the flavor of the week Chiefs. You could, that's the middle
name. I think you just change that
middle name every year cause 'cause someone was saying
Skymatic sounds nice. He could have been Patrick Sky.
He could have been Jaylen. Jaylen Yeah.
Royals. He just kind of keeps yeah of.
Course the the the due date falls right in the bye week.
That's a coincidence. You're going to have us know.
That that is a that is a coincidence.
Honestly kind of glad he was not born on the week of a bill's
loss. Shout out to him for waiting
past that. Dalton is a is a increasingly
popular name. In this part, Oh no, I bet that.
Would be if the Bill's on the Super Bowl, you have to do
Patrick, Josh, oh God, just for the year.
You can change it after the year.
Horrible. Well, since we're there another
round of Bills Chiefs regular season that the Bills win for
the fifth year in a row and I do the post game show here on WGR.
And I was getting some feedback Sunday that I was too grumpy
about it. But I just imagined myself being
a fan of a third, another team, just a random neutral team
sitting in an airport listening to a Bills fan telling me about
how cool it is that they that they won.
And I just wouldn't. I wouldn't.
It'd be hard not to laugh. I mean, sure, it's better to win
and it's important in the standings, but I just, I don't
know. I'm getting tired of
conversations about beating Kansas City in in the fall.
I, I mean this in the least douchey way possible.
Truly it's it's not going to come off that way.
Everyone's going to roll their eyes so hard at this.
The Chiefs have a two game season.
Like I know every they they hate it every like, oh, they hate it
the the the season for the Kansas City chief.
Maybe maybe this week, you could say a three-game season because
their divisional round matchup will probably be a tougher one.
But I don't know, like I saw some of this on Twitter of like,
oh, chiefs calling chiefs fans calling this the bills Super
Bowl. Chiefs fans have no grace.
Like they just, they don't care about it's like, I don't know,
man, the Bills just always beat the Chiefs in the regular
season. Do I need do, do we need to be
upset about this? Did the Bills are really get up
for that game? For whatever reason, the Chiefs
really do not I, I actually, I thought they were going to get
up for that game. I thought that was going to kind
of be like a bells and whistles and he has some cool stuff
planned like all that. And it it was not that way.
We didn't see really anything too imaginative.
No like ring around the Rosie. Kelsey kind of just, you know,
does his thing. He made the one really good play
on the mind meld that that the quote going around from from
Hairston though. Very, very bearish for my boy.
Xavier, I told you. That one of the most what?
Was it? Dude, Korean, it's so bad.
Like basically Hairston is like, why?
I knew on half the plays I didn't have to try because
Xavier Worthy's body language before the snap was that he
wasn't getting the ball. So he was just like, I can just
focus on stopping the run. Which is what you do not say in
the regular season meeting against that team, that's
exactly. That is a dumb thing to say.
Like in the after the game, it doesn't really matter right
before you're going to play them again.
Yeah. I mean, I get, I get, you know,
you guys are in position to have a history kind of, you know,
weighing on you in different directions.
But I think the game definitely does matter to some extent.
You know, it's a play. It's a regular season game.
Well, it it definitely matters for the Kansas City Chiefs.
If they thought there was any chance of them having to buy, I
would assume they're. Exactly the buy is.
Sub sub 1% chance. And the bill's buy equity is,
is, you know, still alive. Very much so.
Yeah, that would favored. That would be a big, big
difference. Buffalo.
Buffalo is easily the clear favorite to get the one.
I mean, Indianapolis lost. So it's Bill's at Miami, number
7 and 2 Patriots at Tampa. They're a slight underdog.
If those games go to form, they'll be the one.
Well, Denver. Denver plays Thursday night.
Denver would be the one if they beat the Raiders Thursday night.
OK. Are we going to run back the
Tennessee Titans one seed the the Denver?
Broncos. The Denver Broncos one seed
would be I mean, I don't know if it could be.
I don't know if it could be as fake as the Titans one seed that
was. Is that the fakest one seed in
NFL history? I guess you'd have to really
dive into the annals. The Patriots also currently have
the tiebreaker cuz they yes, cuz they the bills, yeah Denver one
over the Patriots yet? Denver has a has the Raiders
Thursday night, 9 1/2 point favorites to go to 8 and two.
Then they have sort of what they call the mini buy before the
Chiefs come in and a win There is then, what, nine and two, six
and five or whatever that would leave Kansas City like it would
feel over at that point, at least in terms of the Chiefs.
And they play Denver again Week 17.
Well, then there's the one. Seat is is actually kind of nice
because then you we don't have to watch them in the wild card
round. Let's let's actually go to our
New England correspondent here. Make sure, yeah.
Do you think the Patriots are like ready for Drake May to be
the MVP and to be the one seed? Like it feels like a bit too
much and it feels like it might get the front office a bit too
confident in their roster building and actually kind of
limit the Drake May window. Thoughts.
Well, let's see. Yeah, let's see.
This today will be a big sign for kind of whether they're
headed. If they don't trade for Crystal
Ave., they're all idiots. What what the Commanders, the
Commanders have had a horrible season and a lot of it's has
nothing to do with what they did this offseason.
You know, part of it, part of it does.
But yeah, they didn't, they didn't set like to me what the
Commanders did. And I was saying this like at
the time is like, what why are you acting like this guy's like,
I don't know, some veteran quarterback that you're like,
it's like, hey, I don't know. He's playing out of his mind.
Let's maximize this unexpected window.
Like why aren't you building a like strong foundation around
hitting on a young quarterback? So I hope the Patriots like as
someone who really only cares about Drake May's career and I
don't give a shit about the patriots franchise is that I
just want them to like build for the future and put more
resources in the offensive line. Please.
Weapons are nice, but like this this line is like fake good in
terms of the stats. Like you see them against teams
that blitz well, teams the pressure well and they and they
don't look good. So that to me, the biggest thing
is that may take sacks. He's not he's he's actually
decent under pressure, but like he just takes on to pressure too
much and he'll turn pressure into sacks to higher rate.
He'll still make plays, but that's I'm just like, protect
this guy please. So that's where when they go
into the play offs, they've been playing much better pass rush
teams. And yeah, that that's the thing.
That's really like, that's still the huge weakness of the team.
So I mean the the Patriots and the Commanders both did the same
thing where they went into the season relying on 30 year olds
to be their best pass catchers. Yeah, I think, I think that
part's not so bad for the Patriots.
I I think, like what makes, well, the graphic.
Kyle Williams. This is Kyle Williams week now
against Tampa. Like Booty is going to be out
and they dropped him up yesterday.
I don't think it'll be Kyle Williams.
I don't think. I don't really trust him.
Yeah, it's, it's the classic Patriots.
I was joking yesterday. I was like the coolest thing
with this, you know, because I was like, oh, should they bring
him Frabel or Ben Johnson or, you know, how's this going to
go? I just really want someone who's
going to help me develop and to see that like, OK, May's back in
like the old, like peak New England infrastructure like that
Brady used to have. That's like quite helpful.
And yet it's without Belichick. So it's like this better culture
version of the same thing. The only downside is they still
can't draft receivers. So it'll be, you know, I don't
think Kyle Williams is going to be much.
Maybe at the end of the year he gets a little more run, but he's
he's basically like kind of an improv, like, you know, kind of
figures it out on the fly receiver and a timing based
offense. I don't think it's really
happening right now. Well, the four or five game this
year in the AFC instead of it usually being the AFC S
Invitational. Speaking of playoff games you
might not want to watch this year could be Chiefs or Bills at
Ravens. That's, I mean, Chiefs and the
wild card is probably 5050 at least.
And if New England keeps crushing an easy schedule, you
could see both Buffalo and Kansas City on the road like in
the first round. It's possible, probably.
I don't think the Bills will end up there, but the Chiefs could
based on their record. Do you guys want to talk about
next year? Is there anything about this
year so far? We're only halfway through it.
I've been trying to rush you, but I'm trying to get I'm.
Trying to get the fuck past this here, man.
It's happening again. I was like looking like
literally like woke like woke up with my wife last night and I
just like can't sleep just like looking at my teams.
And I was like, I don't even really think I'd do that much
differently. I just, I don't really feel that
bad about much of the team like much of the decisions I did.
You're talking best ball mostly. Who?
Who's killing you? Is it the like Brian?
No one, no, not like the most of the guys I drafted are like
we're either like cheap zeros, like, OK, sure, Jayden Blue, but
like, I don't know, I'd probably make that bet again.
I'd probably make the Isaac Gorendo bet again.
You know, it's like, like what what can you, what can you do?
Sometimes the young running back doesn't beat out the veteran, or
sometimes the young running back wears Gucci cleats and gets
blisters and. The.
Starters, what are you rooting for down the stretch?
I think I'm, I think I'm rooting for like Brock Purdy to get to
be recording scores, probably Rashid Shahid to be traded
somewhere where Tyler Shuck isn't his quarterback.
Bowers to go 40 points a week. I mean, yeah, I guess.
I guess if Bowers averages 18 1/2 points a game the rest of
the season, I could probably end up like scrambling like I'm even
like over the field on Jonathan Taylor because I didn't really
like T Higgins and I didn't really like like I didn't love
Marvin Harrison Junior. I didn't love Trey McBride.
So I was drafting a lot of Jonathan Taylor at the I
honestly, actually, I think probably my biggest mistake was
not drafting Rico Dowdell because that feels like kind of
a classic spot. Like, you just take the running
back too, if you're not that into the running back one, you
know? And I loved Rico Dowdell last
year. But there was no I didn't even
draft that much Rico Dowdell. Like, I mean, I have, I have
some, but I don't like he was in a huge stand for me.
I don't know. I mean, like to me, you know, we
still have what, 5 weeks left of, of the, of round one.
And then like then we get a round that is equally valued to
this whole season, you know, like I, I don't know, I mean, I
know I'm not going to have an incredible advance rate, but I'm
like a little bit above expected right now.
And maybe I'll finish a little bit below expected.
Who knows, Maybe I'll finish, you know, maybe I'll get 30
teams in or something, which would be great.
But I think it'll be kind of like a relatively average year.
And but it also might not because like Cam Scataboo was
kind of my my hero for, you know, two weeks ago.
I've been like, I got a shit load of scataboo.
It's a great year. Like a lot of stuff still going
to happen. And then all of that, like so
much of that stuff will be made irrelevant in one week.
So not to be like the advance rate doesn't matter because it
does matter, but it's like it's also we're in kind of like peak.
It only matters and it just straight up doesn't only matter
like you, you can advance 50 teams and not get a single team
to the semis. Like it, it happens.
Like it's just not the only thing that matters.
You know, it's, there's only one thing that matters and it's week
17. It's your your son's middle
name, Will will tell us. I guess, I guess one that I
actually feel kind of bad about, like looking at my exposures,
truly the only one I feel bad about is Matthew Golden just
because Matthew Golden being 60% of routes, 4 1/2 targets per
week was just like so fucking obvious before the season.
Like just could be. Is there anything more obvious
than a first round wide receiver being drafted to Green Bay and
then? Running the same.
Amount of riots as Malik Keith. It's so hard to keep in mind
that ultimately, like in the summer, right?
It's like, hey, Golden. Hey man, Golden's running with
the ones like he's being installed as a clear guy, like
and Jaden Higgins, he's with the ones like don't don't you know,
you know, and then like some of these other guys, it's like,
yeah, they're with the ones, but it doesn't matter if they're not
good. Like and you see, with the
ceiling with like Ibuka it definitely and and lad the year
before, right, and and Thomas the year before, like it it it
allows them to hit the ground running and so the ceiling
definitely goes up. But like the yeah, like golden
just was not. They're never locked in.
Rookies are never locked in because they might suck.
They might suck. You know, what is kind of
frustrating is I actually don't think Matthew Golden sucks at
all. I really I actually I.
Actually feels. I, I don't, I I think that the
targets per route run stuff with the the Packers is not as
indicative of what it would be on like a more egalitarian
offense. Well, let me let me reframe what
I mean by sucking, because the one thing that I like get
frustrated sometimes with the film stuff too is like, you
know, we're looking for for fantasy football purposes.
We like need stars. Like a guy having like a nice
little career. Literally couldn't be less.
Valuable. Like a guy like Josh Palmer,
does Josh Palmer suck? Like, no, he got like paid on
his second contract. Like the idea that Josh Palmer
sucks at playing football's like a really jerky thing to say.
He's like been a successful NFL player, but for fantasy, for
football purposes, they're not into it.
It doesn't do anything for us. Like he he basically muddled
through a a, you know, his rookie contract with flashes of
relevance but never really did much for fantasy.
And then he signed a deal and hasn't done anything in Buffalo.
So. But when it comes to golden Pat
is is that maybe more of a Packers point than a golden
point like you? There's this golden point.
He. He.
Has he had? Everything ahead of him.
You're trying to figure out who the player is, which is a tough
guess. I don't know how I would have
been able to tell you whether he'd be good or not.
But you guys are more, you know, knowledgeable when it comes to
college prospect. But then you have a team that's
been famous for not really leaning into one guy and it's a
rookie and you're thinking about draft capital and you're
thinking, is there a coaching change that got us tied up when
it came to? Jacksonville this year between
Golden and Isaiah Bond is right now.
Oh. It's the different, come on,
come on. What's the difference?
Golden, Matthew Golden. I mean, if you want to, if you
look at some of the fancy numbers like and you can say
these are made-up like the PFF stuff or like the fantasy points
stuff like his like separation and everything is pretty good.
I'll tell you the wrong read though.
The the wrong read, even if I did think that Golden was really
good, which I'm actually still kind of undecided.
I, I think he, honestly, he's going to be like DeMarcus
Robinson, like he's going to be in the NFL for like 12 years.
Sure. I think you're right.
He's because he's fast. He's really, he's really is
fast. You know that the 429 wars, you
know whatever. The the 40, the 40 truthers were
were wrong. There might not be wrong, I
mean, but like, they're wrong. They're directionally wrong
because 433's also really fast and he's at, he has a good game
speed, so it doesn't matter. I don't care if he's actually a
429 guy or not. The biggest difference is that I
thought there was signal in the Packers drafting a wide receiver
in the first round and a wide receiver in the third round that
Matt Lafleur looked himself in the mirror and said this.
This is what we're missing, yeah.
Like, like he looked himself in the mirror and said this offense
where we rotate everyone, no one demands the ball is not working
at the highest level, that this is not going to get us a Super
Bowl. And I think what he thought
instead was actually, I'm going to be Matt Lafleur, but even
more so, I'm going to be even more annoying.
I'm going to start giving the ball to Emmanuel Wilson.
I'm going to put the handcuffs on Jordan Love even harder.
I'm going to play down to my competition to a level that they
didn't even think was possible. I'm going to lose a home game to
the Cleveland Browns and then I'm going.
To I think it was a road game to be fair enough for.
Whatever. And then, and then as the sequel
to that, I'm going to lose to Bryce Young in a game that Bryce
Young threw for 109 passing yards.
At home, that one was at home. That one was at home.
So, you know, like the, the, what I am saying is that this
was a mistake. We're maybe disagreeing on why
it was a mistake, but I think regardless, it doesn't matter.
Even if Golden was the player that I think he was, I actually
don't think it matters anyway because the volume and the role
was not going to be there. This this this 8 target a week
role. Even if like imagine, imagine
Roshi Rice gets drafted by the Green Bay Packers.
What do you think his? What do you think his like just
weekly targets are? See this I, I, I strongly
disagree with this point. He Rashi Rice would would eat
like we do this all the time. We're like, we did this with
this is like part of my issue with Caleb Williams.
You know, it's like, oh, the role was bad with the role we
all said was amazing, the best situation ever for a rookie
quarterback, and then he's bad. So now the role was bad.
Like, come on, the role was good.
He stunk as a rookie. He's been up and down as a
second year player, but the fact that he's dunk as a rookie head
signal to the idea that he was going to be this like
generational quarterback, which he clearly doesn't look like he
is, even though he's not terrible either.
I I think the same thing with Goldman.
It's like, hey, man, if you're really good, if you're Rashi
Rice, if you're, I mean, to be fair, to be fair to Golden,
Roshi Rice didn't really like come together until the end of
his rookie season. So it's possible that Golden
turns over another level to his game and actually like makes
everything I'm saying look really dumb and actually is
really good because it's only halfway through his rookie
season. So there's still time for him to
to get better. But this is like an amazing
situation. This is an amazing situation.
You have a team that's very efficient passing the ball and
has not had anyone who's got the ability to consolidate targets.
So if you have that ability, like Justin Jefferson would
feast in Green Bay, he would, he would eat like it would be
incredible. And maybe he wouldn't have as
high a target share as you know, he did like 3 years ago with
Kirk Cousins or whatever, because love doesn't feed people
the ball that way. I don't know.
But he would be he would have a very high target chair and he
would be super efficient on his. Targets are, are we, are we
saying kind of like greatness is inevitable and system and coach
proof, But 80% of these guys are not like they're in the middle
and they're so it's so delicate. It's so fickle what the system
is, I think. I think Jordan Addison, I think
Jordan Addison would have taken advantage of this opportunity.
Like, I think I don't think you need, you don't need to be
Jefferson or even Rice. Like, I don't know.
I mean, frankly, Romeo Dobbs is doing a pretty good job.
Yes. Romeo Dobbs is looking pretty
good. And Reed has been out the whole
year. So there's that.
I mean, I think I want to get back to Jaden Blue's shoes.
There's there's just things that happened that maybe.
The the, so the Jaden Blue thing, this is actually I'd like
to take a minute to castigate the NFL draft community because
at about August 25th, I start to got I start to, I started to get
DMS from people who would kind of know and started to get
leaked out there at the Jaden Blue was like this world class
dickhead. We couldn't have got that in.
No one want to say that in June, No one wanted to let me know the
coaches hated Jaden Blue on July 7th.
I, I believe it was Dane Bruegler tweeted last night that
Jaden Blue had the reddest flags in the draft.
No one, no one, no one felt like reporting that.
No one felt like doing an athletic piece on Jaden Blue
being a workplace cancer. No one wanted to let me know.
Honestly, I, I think having, you know, done this over the years
more and more, I'm like, I think this is one of the spots where
production really does is it's, I think this is a big part of
the signal of production. It's like, oh, why, why did you
like never do anything in college?
And one of the reasons is that some people are assholes.
They just can't figure. Out what, what, what, what
incentive? If Jaden Blue is just generally
unpleasant to be around in the building, why is Schottenheimer
going to be like, OK, well, Javonte is kind of slowing down.
We're losing games. Like, maybe we should see what
you have. You know what they're going to
do. They're probably going to reward
Malik Davis, who has been on the Cowboys in and around the
Cowboys roster for three or Four Seasons now.
He's been on the IR, he's been on the practice squad.
He's probably never said a word. Malik Davis has probably never
complained about the way the Cowboys have treated him on the
roster once. Probably just happy to.
Be there. Just happy to be there.
And Jaden Blue is probably like pouting, being like Javonte
Williams, like probably like messing up his password.
And then he fumbles. Can you imagine what he probably
said on the sideline when he fumble, too?
He's probably wasn't my fault. This character assassination, we
don't know anything about this guy.
No, we we do. We definitely do now,
Schottenheimer. Schottenheimer did not mince his
words last week. Like Schottenheimer.
What do you say I missed this? He did like, you know, the
coaches do radio or whatever. And he was basically like he
insinuated, like you can kind of deal with a fumble here and
there for a running back who's mostly doing his job.
But if the running back is in no way, shape or form doing their
job, you're not. You're not fumbling and staying
in the game. Well.
There, as Crutches says, there was that one report from the guy
who was a Cowboys defensive assistant in 2001 who said that
Jaden Blue was lazy. Who?
Who's the guy? I'm sorry, I haven't had coffee
yet and I'm a little irritated with Jacob because he couldn't
make it today and then I'm more irritated with myself, but I'm
like, why are we doing this at 7:00 in the morning?
My time then. I guess we would not have had to
have done it at 7:00. We don't have, you know, we
could have done, discuss it in advance.
That's what we could have done. Yeah, no, and it's Jacob's fault
that we didn't. The Zeus Zeus raises a good
point in the. Chat Bob Harris though Bob
Harris had some stuff. No, it wasn't, Bob.
It was. It was not Bob.
Harris, not Bob Harris. See, This is why.
This is why I asked who's the guy?
Who's the guy over at the? Are you thinking Marcus Mosher?
No no he writes the report. Everyone thinks it's ridiculous
but he gets all the the scouts to talk shit the pre draft.
Thing Oh, Bob McGinn. Bob McGinn.
It wasn't him.
I think what Davis is referring to was a podcast that Marcus was
on. It was someone Marcus was
talking to. But anyway, maybe we're
thinking. To get some.
So there's there's like an interesting point.
This guy's being a Dick in the chat, but he is he's raising an
interesting point. So I'm going to raise it up,
which is that he said half the league are unpleasant people.
If he's good, no one cares. He's an asshole.
That is true at the high level. Like, Jordan Addison could be an
asshole. Jaylin Naylor is not playing
over him. When you're talking about the
difference between Jaden Blue and Malik Davis, your
pleasantness in the workplace is absolutely going to make a
difference. When you're talking about the
difference between Miles Sanders, who has nothing left in
the tank, and Jaden Blue, there's going to be a difference
because Miles Sanders is a consummate professional.
There's also there's also like I think when we say asshole here,
it doesn't mean like I don't the NFL once these guys bought in,
they want them bought into the program to the system.
Like if a guy's like, you know, a a general Dick, but is like
really bought in to what the team's doing week after week is
good in meetings and stuff, that's great.
Like they don't they don't need him to be like pleasant.
It's not pleasantness. It's like.
It's not pleasantness, it's it's are you part of the team?
I think who you're describing is Keyon Coleman.
Isn't he kind of funny though? I thought he was like.
Yeah, I thought people like Bian.
Coleman I don't think bad guy, but not bought in.
I think that's what you're. Describing he was not bought in.
OK. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah. I just thought he was a OK.
Yeah, I'm not saying a bad guy, but what you're describing is
they need you to be. All the way.
It's Jermaine Burton, not AB AB is fine.
AB was always bought in at least.
He was always bought in, but he was.
Not regularly bought in, not always, and he was great.
Several huge exceptions. Great.
He was all time great, which you know, well at the end.
So it wasn't. There's also the small element
of, well, how's it going? I mean, Dallas has won three
games and it's week 10. And, you know, maybe they end up
being a team like Pat. You're saying how much of the
season is still left? And then you get to week 15 that
ends up with this guy on the field.
Maybe we don't really know that much about how coaches see him
between May and August and then it's August where that manifests
and what are their practice habits like in these things?
And all of it's just very hard to know.
But there's, there's still time, I guess on him.
Coleman, I think that's looking bad.
And the Bills could also be achieved, the Chiefs and the
Chiefs. And the Bills both draft busts
at wide receiver in the first round in the same year.
It's kind of a good bit. You're not all you're not.
They're unworthy though. Really.
Are you bust? I mean, we're he's not a he's
not a bust, he's a competent NFL player, but he I think he's
pretty clearly in the Matthew Golden zone where he his fantasy
production is going to be determined by what Mahomes wants
to give him, not driven by the force of who he is yet.
Now, if you made me say who do I think has a better path to being
a more impactful player? It's definitely worthy because
he's shown a better ability to get open the ball.
Just doesn't always find him for a variety of reasons.
Keon Coleman has shown no ability to get open, no ability
to do the thing that he's supposed to be good at, which is
like when jump balls down. But is he supposed to be good at
that? He wasn't that good at that in
college. I've never understood why.
And and Matt Harman was way on this.
Like he he was like I I believe the power spot element deadline
get this guy in the slot. Next Gen. separation.
Let me that is what Matt says. Yeah, and then they then they
were like, you know what we're going to do?
We're going to stick them on the X and make him just like play
bully ball. And he's like, dude, like he was
a horrible separator in college. Like this is known like it's, I
don't know, it's a very strange usage for him.
Like they they just have them completely miscast.
But I guess they already have Kincaid and Shakur so they're
like well. That's.
It Yeah. I think Shakir is just, I've
said this for two years, he's just good enough that he blocks
the possibility of other sort of movement with their personnel.
And then they have Kincaid, who complicates that further.
They're still running. Dawson knocks on the field more
often. Jackson Hawes.
Jackson Hawes is playing more than him.
He's the tight end 3 on the Bills.
Yeah, it's wild. And Kincaid gives you 100 yards.
But anyway, like just, I mean, that's not going.
To can see it's having a breakout season in a lot of
ways, but he just doesn't play it's it's been a really
impressive is. He just bad at blocking.
He's he's not as strong as the other guys and they have a just
like Green Bay, They're winning like they have Sunday
nightwithstanding in terms of the Packers, but they're in
first place. I mean, how much this is Bill's
life here for the last three years when we're always harping
on what they don't have in terms of weapons, but they win
constantly because? Alan's incredible.
You guys are right. You guys are right though.
I think so. This is this is a sub optimal
set up like you're you have one of the best quarterbacks alive
and who's ever been alive. This dude's awesome, but the.
And they run it great. Yeah, they're running it great.
What's the problem? Man, I do.
I do kind of think that that James Cook and running so well
like might be. It's a curse.
It's a curse, yeah. Are you?
Are you, what are you hoping for?
Because what I'll tell you what I'm hoping for.
I'm hoping the Bills. I'm hoping the Bills win the
Super Bowl and then we can get Joe Brady out of our lives.
We get him. We get him somewhere else.
I think he's gone anywhere. I think he's gone no matter
what. Like if it, if it, I mean, Penn
State and LSU need coaches. He went to Penn State and
coached famously at LSUI. Think he's he's young.
I think he's sort of like a classic candidate if he wants to
coach college. I don't know if he necessarily
does, but my expectation is he's not back next year for either
good or bad reasons. I don't know.
It's it's once again another he's the head coach, he'll.
Be high on the head coaching list too.
I think as as long as they have, you know, good close to the
season. Got he's got results and he's
young and he's offense, so that's exactly what the league
wants, I think. Yeah, and you can be like, oh,
he, you know, look how good he was with Josh Allen.
He'll make our guy Josh Allen, you know?
Yeah, he'll make right. Is Dabo making dart Josh Allen
though actually. You know, there's there's
flashes. Dart's good.
I think dart's good. I I hope they keep they're not
going to, but I hope they keep day ball just to like make sure
Dart like why wouldn't you just like, I don't know, it's like
you're not going to be next year.
Jackson Dart is. Sadly.
Jackson Dart is sadly going to suffer like an incredibly gnarly
injury over the next month. Jackson Dart is my most drafted
quarterback in best ball. He, he is going to get hurt.
No, no quarter like this dude. He's not even that big.
Like he's getting tackled as often as Cam Newton.
Like prime Cam Newton. He weighs like 216 lbs.
This reminds me of Davis when you were talking about Jaden
Daniels going into that year and you're like, how come every
high, every other highlight of him looks like he's in the ski
accident? And it it didn't happen.
Well, he did. He did get hurt last year, but
he really got hurt this year, right?
We're we're seeing we're seeing the issue with Jane and Daniels
is like skinnier and stuff, but dark does a horrible job
protecting acting himself. And I I like I get a lot of
fantasy football questions in my videos and Patreon stuff.
And someone asked me the other day they were like, oh, I picked
dart up early because you were on it, but I have Caleb
Williams. Like who would you rather have
going forward? And like, well, in any given
week, I would way rather start Dart, but I would rather have
Caleb Williams because the musical chairs are going to stop
with Jackson Dart. Either either you can't you
can't get tackled 13 * a game, which is what he's averaging
right now as a quarterback, or you stop getting tackled as
often. And because you're throwing the
one Dale Robinson, Darius Leighton and Theo Johnson, your
efficiency is naturally going to decline.
Like one of those two things feels inevitable to me.
I would keep Dabel there because, I mean, we just have so
many examples of young quarterbacks who endure coaching
changes and just, it just never gets on the track.
And that's darn old. You know, that's it's New York.
Dabel might be tough to deal with, but I think Dart's the
most important guy there. And if their relationship is
good, I would keep him. And Dart's succeeding.
I know some of it's, you know, but like, what else is he
supposed to do? Like running He's and he's good
at running so. And the weapons are all hurt.
So I don't know I, I would, I just want to see Dart like Dart
looks good. I just want to see good
quarterbacks continue to move in the direction where they are
still good. You know, I feel like what's
best for Dart is you just keep Dabel and try to and try to.
Drink for Malik neighbors in the off season.
I mean, Dart was Brian Dabel's pick.
Joe Shane did not want him. Dabel very much did want him.
But it's going to be one of the interesting things where it
sounds like the insider muckety muck is that it's more likely
that Dabel's fired and Shane is retained, which feels the
reverse of what you'd want to do in this.
Yeah, the the Giants will probably do the wrong thing.
Giants Bears in Week 10. Who is your subscriber?
Who are you going to tell them to start between Dart and Caleb
Williams? This.
I'm going to have. I believe I've ranked Dart as a
top 8 quarterback every week since he started starting.
I Dart, I don't, I don't get the quarterback evaluation stuff
right all that often, but the the Dart stuff felt.
Yeah, you were all over Dart. Evident to me because the thing
with him is he was like a very effective scrambler and I
honestly, I do believe it is as simple as people do not.
They just go to College Football Reference and look at the
rushing yards with the sacks subtracted and they are just.
Like this dude ran for 400 yards.
I stopped with Daniel Jones where I was like, hey, Zach's a
pretty good scrambler, guys. Like if you go to if you go to
the the PFF rushing yards, I think he has like 350 more
rushing yards because they don't reduce the sack yardage from it.
It it's like, it's like a night and day.
Difference. You you want to know I'll
actually this is my biggest mistake that I made and best for
Manny. I just have my exposures up far
and away. This one is actually
inexcusable. I'm not even going to try and
excuse it. I I was below market on Jackson
Smith and Jigba. Just terrible.
Like all the evidence was that he was awesome and that the year
1 rookie stuff was a combo of Shane Waldron and the wrist
injury. Like, but are were you concerned
his college production was against running backs playing
cornerback? I mean, I don't, I feel like
it's still kind of hard to make like a good sense of what JSN
did in college. Like I guess obviously not now
knowing how knowing how good he is, but a weird, you have to say
very weird college production profile.
No, it was just a good, he just had a really good profile guy.
Come on, he's. Just an awesome.
He was an awesome prospect. He always was.
He wasn't a perfect prospect or anything, but he was a really
good prospect as the best wide receivers you know in the league
tend to be. I don't think there.
Are I've got? No.
I don't think there are really that many surprising or shocking
NFL team storylines this year. Like what's the most surprising
thing that's happened? Seattle.
Seattle comes close. Well, Colts.
Seattle comes close. Is one of the most shocking
storylines in the years. That's right, Seattle is for me.
Why I don't have more Smith and Jigba is because I decided that
Darnold would not hold up. Everybody talked about.
How bad the line? Was going to be and like I
drafted Jaylen Millroe. You know, I I have some dish,
but not enough. Yeah, because I was like, I
don't know, man. Darn.
Like I have a very high opinion of KOC Kubiak's fine, but like
this dude, darn. Like I have seen the floor on
this guy and it is low. And what they're going to build
the whole plane out of JSN? They better because they're not
going to. They literally fired their other
coach for running to their for for passing too much.
So they brought in a guy who was very run heavy before.
Like I couldn't have higher confidence that this team is
going to run the ball constantly.
They have a good starting running back and Kenneth Walker,
they'll they'll rec the care of that and play him.
Yeah, yeah, right. Well, they'll, they'll play
Kenneth Walker a lot. So they'll be good at running
the ball. They bring in Cooper Cup, which
nobody respected. Right.
Let's say, which I think we were right not to respect because
they just played, they just passed the JSN all the time.
But yeah, I mean, I mean. The NFL in targets per route run
and targets. The thing with JSN is like JSN
is an old school third year breakout.
Like he's just straight up way better than he was last year,
which I don't think was like some given I definitely wish I'd
take taken more of them and I and I probably should have still
been thinking about how strong of a prospect he he was, which
he was. It's like, oh, we're going to
take a catch as. Merchant kind of mini breakout.
EPR. Right.
Yeah. Yeah, we are.
Yeah, just just like, just honestly, like most of the
things I got wrong this year, I can go back to what I was
thinking at the time and be like, you know, a lot of that
stuff was very reasonable. I don't think any of the JSN
stuff was really all. That do you not have any of
them? No, I've got some, you know, 7%
or whatever, but it's just like. Not, not enough.
Yeah, I mean, I don't have enough either, but.
I have the same amount of Keandre Lambert Smith and
Jackson Smith and Jig but hyphenated Smith teams in I
Spell Mania. I mean where, where was it?
3 O 630-7308? If you could go back to your two
three term teams and just swap in JSN for so many of those
other options you'd love, you'd love life.
How about like? Everyone in the second round.
Everyone in the second round is horrible other than Taylor and
Bowers. God.
I'd swap I'd swap Jason. I'd swap Jason for Henry.
I'd swap Jason for T, I'd swap Jason for Chase Brown.
I'd swap him. Honestly, I'd probably swap him
for Bucky. Irving sure, like.
Bucky hasn't been healthy. Yeah.
Well, you want to look ahead to next.
Year. I don't think his profile
indicated that we should have been taking him in the early
2nd. No, but where he was going, I
mean. Yeah, I wish I had more.
Is is Drake London great by the way?
I know Drake London just had like a great game, but like.
Drake London is really good. He's he's the peak version of
Keon Coleman. He's what the Bills thought they
were gonna turn Keon Coleman into.
Yeah, I, I'm, I'm very weary of Michael Pennix, junior.
Why? Are you saying weary or wary?
Weary. You are sick of them.
No, that would be wary. No, that's weary.
Weary is that you're tired, all right?
Wary is that you're kind of. Afraid.
Oh, you're right. Wow, Karain, I let's see.
This shows you I went to a a state school.
I am wary of Michael Pennix, junior.
There you go. Like I, I'm weary of them
something. Something about the way he
plays, and it really might just be because he's left-handed,
like so much of the stuff really might just.
Be because he's left-handed? Sure, man.
It just he, it just does not look quite right the way he
plays. I think when he when he fires it
in, it looks really sweet, like his best throws look great.
But yeah, you know what though, he's definitely like, remember
when, remember when the projections crew lost their mind
and and Kirk Cousins came in and the Falcons went up?
Every Falcon got like 7 points added?
I didn't know that was like a button.
I think it was like Cousins, everyone.
It's just +7. I I think he's proven.
I mean, Cousins obviously then flopped.
But like this team is clearly so much better with Penix, even
though he isn't amazing. I don't know, maybe I'm not
weary of him, maybe I'm Pro Pennix, I don't know.
London was incredible on Sunday. I mean those catches, what else
were they able to do? And he was.
I mean those 3 touchdowns were just insanely good.
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Do you have early thoughts on, well, you probably do on next
year at this point? I, I, I think one of the really
interesting things for who the one O 1 is going to be next year
or the order of the first round is how good JJ McCarthy plays
over the next eight games. Because that touchdown throw,
that first touchdown to Justin Jefferson, like an anticipation
tight window. Let your, I was about to call
him a rookie, your second year quarterback.
Just make the throw and and trust, trust that the throw is
not going to be bad and just let Jefferson do his thing.
It's like that was like honestly it was missing from the Darnold
stuff last year and was definitely missing from the
Carson Wentz stuff this year because a a version of Justin
Jefferson who can get 13 touchdowns is the one O 1.
Jefferson has had like 2 quote down years in a row and is still
averaging the most yards per game of any wide receiver in the
NFL. Yep.
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don't have that. No, maybe it's uploading.
I I think I think Jamar Chase is the one O 1 Burroughs can be
back. I just got it.
Burroughs can be back and he's been getting absolutely fed.
So you have this like you're like, I don't even care what
happens, like I'm regardless of what happens, I'm going to be
fine. You know, maybe you won't be
fine, but you can tell yourself that and then Burrow.
It's like, man, when Burrows back, this guy's just going to
absolutely crush. And I think, I think JT, one
will probably cool off a little and then two, Barkley wasn't the
one O 1. So is JT gonna be the one O 1?
I think we'll, I think we'll just do the Barkley thing.
We'll talk ourselves out of it. No Barkley.
And will Barkley even be a top? Barkley will probably.
Be Oh, well, yeah, we'll Barkley this year, yeah, but I mean
Barkley last coming off of the 24 season, right?
After that season he was still like 4 or 5 or whatever.
I think Bijon may go ahead of JT.
I think Bijon is probably a candidate to be the one O 1.
Yeah, I I think it's interesting the one-on-one too.
It's the same names. We're halfway through the
season. This is what usually does not
happen, but so far we're talking about last year's top three as
the top three. Yeah, the new additions to the
first round will be Bowers and JSN.
Yeah, maybe, Maybe. Maybe Rushy Rice?
I mean, if Rushy Rice averages 18 fantasy points per game.
For Rushy, Rice will be in the first round, I think.
Yeah, like at the end of the first round, you know, 'cause
you, it's like Thomas won't be there, Neighbors won't be there
off an ACL. Nico, Thomas will be there, I
think. Nico, I would take Rice over
Collins for sure, right. For sure.
So yeah, I think he'll, he'll fall down.
He'll be what I think a third or something.
I think I'm starting to like the sound of next year's second
round. Man, what is going to happen?
What is going to happen to Brian Thomas Junior?
Where? Where does Brian Thomas Junior
go next year? Just like miserable.
No good seat I believe. Let me let me Fact Check this
before I say it. Rare, rare case of
responsibility here. Yes, Parker WA on Sunday had
more yards than any Brian Thomas Junior game this year.
Like what was it, 90? 90.
Well, who's Who's Who's kind of a similar player to Brian
Thomas. I I literally cannot think of 1.
The rookie breakout disappointing second year No, I
mean, this has happened. Get the.
I would, I would. Like rookie breakout again.
I would need like I would need like 7 minutes on a Pro Football
reference filter to get to a good answer here.
Old Old Mike Williams Buccaneers Buccaneers Mike Williams.
No, because Juju's a good one. Juju's a good one.
Juju, But Juju had three good years.
Chase Claypool. Chase Claypool is is closer.
Wow. Yeah, I don't think those.
I mean, Thomas was a it was a first round pick who broke out
as a rookie. Jahan Dotson is actually a
pretty good one. He was a first round pick.
He was a he was a 6-7 turn pick after he right.
I don't know am I thinking? How good was he might be
thinking? After his rookie year, though,
I'm not. I'm not sure.
I'm not sure where. Oh, Elijah Moore is a pretty
good one. No, I think.
Han was really fake from the touchdowns.
That's true. The point holds.
I mean, it's it's so hard. These guys are even kind of
you're straining to consider their their good to be on the
Brian Thomas level. I think mostly so, yeah, it's
it's it's it's odd that now we got to actually it was Matt
Jones responsible for Brian Thomas being good as this season
was starting. And I don't know the the
Lawrence thing. There are a number of teams you
talk about McCarthy or Pennex, I mean, even older guys, a number
of teams whose quarterback then going into next year is really
shaky and they're just maybe are not the rookies.
All right, we did it. So not mentioned Christian
McCaffrey so far as. I mean.
Where are McCaffrey Christian McCaffrey next year?
He'll he'll be like a third round pick next year.
No, no he won't. Well, I'm I'm clocking an injury
at some point. OK, well, if if it's the I mean,
think about Henry, like Henry just went, you know, 1-2 turn
late first round, depending on your format.
If McCaffrey just keeps chugging along, he's going to go like
like 1-2 turn. He'll you'll discount it because
he's old and he he looks washed as a runner.
We'll have to see what I'm. Saying is like a wide receiver,
one with who also gets goal line carries like it is a pretty
valuable role. We'll have the same
conversations we had last year, right?
Just why not just sort of close the arms and draft Christian
McCaffrey? Last year was a little different
because we were like, what if he's not washed?
And I mean, and frankly, if he's not washed, he would be like
absolutely unstoppable. Like, this would be probably his
best season of his career if he wasn't washed.
But he is washed. It's true if he was, if he was
not washed, if he was not washed, he'd be averaging like
30 points per game. Yeah, like it would be.
It would be like if you faded him, you might stop playing fans
you. Yes, it would be.
It would be like 70% advance right?
It would be insane. The combination of him being
washed and. They don't have anybody else.
Purdy being injured. If Purdy had been playing this
whole time, he'd been scoring even better.
Right. It's the opposite of the Niners
teams we got used to where they had all these other weapons and
ways to beat you. And this year they really don't
have anything at this point. So I don't know if Matt is this
worth doing. Like you, you'd have to edit
this at this point. I don't.
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Yeah, there we go. All right, so who we want first?
Chase, I vote. Chase.
Me too. Chase Jefferson.
Well, I don't think I want. Jefferson No, I don't think
Jamar. I don't think Justin Jefferson
will be. How do I wrap this text?
You could just go last names. OK. 2.
Probably, Probably Bijan. Bijan.
Yeah. And then it's probably puka.
Oh wait, my buddy actually sent me a text.
Let me see. He like literally sent me.
He's like, here's what I think the first round ADP is.
About where he was, I'd go like 7 or 8.
I think he moves up. I think he moves up.
I mean JJ TS in this conversation now, I think I it's
probably I think it's probably puka or JT like Puka is.
He's one of those guys where you're just like every single
week. He's just going to crush unless
he gets hurt. Unless he gets hurt.
That's probably JT, man I. Don't know.
They're going to be paying Daniel.
They'll be, they'll be. They'll be a horrible playoff
loss in there. What's the chat think?
Oh CDCD, we need to consider Gibbs and JT over Bijan.
I don't think Gibbs will be. I think I'd take, I think I
would take Rashi over Lamb. I don't think I.
Go. I think I would.
That's what I mean by this year. For all the time we spend on how
unpredictable all this is and how wild it gets, we're really
drafting 2025 mostly right here. Just, you know, with a couple of
changes. Lamb versus Jefferson versus
Gibbs was what we did all summer, and Robinson and most of
the same guys Jefferson. So it's kind of funny like that.
There's no huge swing we want. To do kuka here.
Yeah. Yeah, probably Puka Lamb, then
Gibbs, because I'm assuming that David Montgomery will just be
back. I think it's puka because you
get you get Adam's getting a year older, he's still going to
be dealing with Pickens there if you're they'll figure out that
contract, right. So.
I guess, right. Last last year.
Pickens. Yeah, man.
Will Dallas figure out a contract?
Then what? Gibbs, I think.
Bedford granted Jefferson or Gibbs.
I think it'll be Gibbs. I'd probably go Rice JSN after
that. Over Jefferson.
Yeah. I mean assuming like this is not
what I think. This is what I think the market
is going to do and the the market is they're just kind of
over JS or kind of over Jefferson and Jefferson just for
whatever reason, they have not been.
I I guess maybe Addison was a little bit better than I
anticipated where he where the production has been a little bit
more egalitarian than it is with the like there is never been a
19 target Justin Jefferson to target Jordan Addison game.
Well, they've both been on the field together.
Yeah, I think Jefferson, JSN and Bowers are in the conversation
now. Put me down for JSN at 7.
OK, look at the season. What we have to have with the
Colts and the Seahawks is for it to hold up.
But at this point, if this was the whole season, look at the
season he's having and I think. And then Jefferson.
I'd do that, yeah. That'll feel like good value.
Yeah, Oh yeah, you'll be loving that.
You'll be loving getting drawn the one O 8.
Yeah, I think you're smashing Jefferson at one O 8.
Now you want with that. Now you want rice.
Yeah, I would think, I would think Rice goes here.
Not Bowers. You're you're still going to
have people, dude, if you think people learn their lesson from
Brock Bowers having them. They're going to hey, hey,
Davis. They're still going to be
learning. They're going to say they got
some more learning to do. Who's going to be the Who's
going to be the Raiders coach and quarterback next year?
You know what? Here's the thing, Davis.
We get to tell the exact same story we told this offseason.
That's right, upgrades at quarterback.
Quarterback and a coach, yeah, we.
Tell the same story. That game was incredible.
But he. Wasn't enough of an upgrade. 43
PPR points, 49.5 in tight end premium.
Not. Bad.
Unbelievable. Oh, Kyler Murray.
Kyler Murray might actually be good for.
Yeah, well. Touchdowns are over.
Yeah, then he, then he just become, then he just becomes
Trey McBride. Well, Bowers, unless we have a
better idea. Bowers people are floating.
London, Amanran. Who's Running Back 4?
Probably a chain again. Genti.
Well, if Mcdaniel's gone, I don't know.
Genti Hampton would be in the mix of each.
Returns and looks good. You have to, you have to just
price in that 97 Chargers offensive lineman will be
injured. Right, Joel and Rashawn Slater
back like that's going to get back from Hampton will be
Hampton feels like a fun second round or to me, I don't think
but. Won't be Barkley.
Yeah, Barkley won't be the next running back.
Probably the Cadbury is interesting.
They're they're so. Miley goes.
Yeah, Miles mentioned this in the chat, but it would be
possible that if Jeremiah Love goes to a good team in the first
round that we have a Genti rerun like Jeremiah Love is the first
round to the Chicago Bears. It it would definitely be
possible. What about Jeremiah Smith?
Can't. He can't come out.
Oh, can't come out last year. He's a he's a sophomore.
Oh. Never mind. 2027 yeah, I don't I
don't think the fantasy football intelligentsia will let James
Cook go this high. They're going to be like this
guy caught 4 passes last year. He's not.
He's not a 12 turn pick. It'll be early second though.
That's a good, that's a good shout.
OK, Bowers, we keep going. No, I think Bowers here.
I think Bowers. I mean damn near 1 here to begin
with. Yeah, St.
Brown, London, It's the same draft.
Yeah, St. Brown, London, at the turn.
It's the it's the same year. It is kind of remarkably can.
I mean, obviously there, there, there's a, there's just so much
more information left to come. Right, Genti.
I don't know if Genti, I think Genti's going to have more of a
discount. Man, I'm going to.
You'll have 25% Genti I. Think so.
There's a team that'll have a new everything.
Or cook. Maybe this is cook?
My it's probably way more likely cook than a Chan.
Yeah, let's do cook. And I'm once again going to have
0 James Cook. It's going well.
This this is probably close to IGBUCA territory.
I think he's more late 2nd. Arande Gadsden.
Honestly, he's not. We're not that far away.
McBride is pretty close. Arande Gadsden is going to be
the tight end 3 next year. It's going to be Bowers,
McBride, Gadsden, it. Could be Kincaid.
They got to, they got to let him run the routes.
Like I can't take a 55% route share guy in the third round.
I don't you're taking the third round, but who's tight end
three? I mean, he's probably top five,
no? He'll go back to where he was
drafted after his first year, so where he was at.
He'll be a fifth round pick. All right, how about HN then?
McBride is about here. Yeah, now we're getting into
like McBride. I think McBride might be here.
Neighbors. Buca, let's do HN McBride, dude.
Rice McBride. Yep, it's a fun start.
You're gonna be so happy to get these picks.
Oh, I'm wrong. I'm wrong.
It's Tyler Warren, Titan 3 Gads. Tyler Warren.
Yeah, yeah, Tyler Warren. Titan 3 for sure.
Marv, Marv. Is Marv is definitely going to
sneak up here? I would do a.
Quarterback. Next, what's not?
Let's see anyone we've missed Barkley.
Barkley's somewhere around. Barkley's somewhere around here.
I don't know. I feel that's going to be.
Hampton gente, I think Hampton gente Barkley ahead of Abuka.
Yeah, not Hampton, really. Well, I mean, if he looks like
what he did before and Videl's been producing, all right, I
don't know, You talk yourself into it, maybe.
Maybe he goes behind. Abuka, I was going to say,
people just mentioned Judkins. Big, big chance for Judkins to
rise if the Browns have an answer at quarterback.
He feels more like a third, but yeah, the Browns.
Hit Kyler Murray. Oh wow, what a what?
AI don't think the Browns can do that.
I mean, I guess it's new people so it doesn't matter, but.
All right, Genti. Yeah.
I mean, genti, genti has been genti has been kind of good on
in like the most frigid environment possible.
Dude, he's really good. He's like, insane.
He is like insanely good at football.
He's so good. Yeah.
I mean, he he probably moves up as we go.
That one feels this. This is probably almost
regardless of who takes Jeremiah Love.
This is probably right about the range where he's going to go for
Love. OK, let's do it.
Like I would, I would say he's like Jeremiah Love is a prospect
is like between Gente and Hampton, but I'm expecting
A-Team to take him in round one. Ibuka Neighbors.
Barkley. I think Barkley.
Neighbors off the I guess he tore his ACL early so we'll
definitely be back week 1. Dart will be up there probably.
This is probably someone just mentioned Nico.
This is probably right about where people start talking
themselves into Nico again. Does that sound like a belly
man? I just the Texans have like the
least good offense I've ever seen.
Like just so. Uninspiring.
So I have a new OCII, think Kaylee's one, and done right,
Kaylee's I. Mean yeah, Kaylee might get
fired this year. They fixed the offensive line.
I bet Collins goes somewhere. Devante Adams is definitely not
going here. Devante Adams is going to be 33.
What is the? He'll be he'll be two, three
turn. On Ibuka as like one of these
receivers. May all right.
Yeah, you're right. Yeah, Ibuka's definitely going
here. That's a fun start.
It really is. Probably.
Probably Jacobs. No, we're in here.
No, I think, I think the wheels are coming off a little.
The the the running back guys are going to be very emboldened
by the results they got this year.
Are they? Yeah, the Jonathan Taylor stuff
is going to really, really have emboldened the running back
drafters. I feel like last year was the
year that emboldened them because like everybody,
everybody stayed healthy and you kind of like it just like pick
A, it's like you needed to pick right.
You didn't really need to pick right last year.
I mean 2024 by last year. I don't, I just feel and and the
league is so. Jacobs has been.
He's been that terrible. It's awful.
What?
What are? What about Bucky is it?
Are we in Bucky range again? Maybe it's starting to feel like
it's turning right here. Yeah, right, neighbors.
You're like a lot of guys. Just like last year.
Neighbors, yeah.
Neighbors but off the I think off the ACL coming like we had,
we have, you know, Iuke is yet to practice.
I know it was a multi ligament, but neighbors surgery was
delayed. That's going to be a talking
point. Like rightfully, you know.
Harrison without Kyler Murray after after last night.
No, I don't think, I don't think people want Harrison in their
lives in the second all. Right.
Who's the name then? Who's their quarterback?
Someone else, right? Someone else?
Tell you what man, this rookie quarterback class I'm it's going
to be very hard for me to buy into the Mendoza one O 1 whoever
ends up taking him. What about Warren?
This feels very early for a guy who's not scored more than 15
points in a game yet. Neighbors people are saying next
running back is scataboo. I kind of wish, man.
Scataboo is going to be coming off of like the most.
Hampton. Insanely grueling.
Maybe Hampton or Judkins. Maybe those are the names?
Here, I think it's Hampton, yeah.
OK. Neighbors as close.
I don't know Doonese doing the wrong way.
Dude, we got a Doonesday's dad doing the Odell Beckham on the
Browns shit. You guys see that yesterday he
his dad was tweeting out how many of Roma Doonesday's targets
have not been catchable And like and being like they don't throw
my son the ball. I just thought I just saw
someone mentioned. John Brown Williams.
Can you imagine Javonte Williams?
Going in the second round. Next year, wow.
I mean that would be that I, I don't have 0% of any player.
I will have 0%. 0%, yeah. That is, that would be so
fucking bad if Javonte Williams is going in the second round.
Jumpkins should have a lot of steam because they'll change
coaches probably and. He'll have a lot of steam but he
also like will have like 9 past receptions on the whole season.
I think, I think I'm taking Bucky over Judkins.
I'm taking Bucky over Judkins. Do it I mean.
Let's do Bucky. Bucky, Irving, Malik, Neighbors,
they've got the quarterback. Neighbors is great.
Yeah, you got you got some discount on the injury, but.
You know what you know what is? You know what is classic here?
It'll be it'll be Jaylen Waddle had a good year.
So Jaylen. Waddle has to go back.
You think Collins next? Yeah, Collins.
And Brian Thomas just never ever Round 2.
Oh yeah, no. I don't think he's Round 2.
Harrison. Brian Thomas junior is going to
be like like a round seven pick. I think it might be Collins and
neighbors. You guys good with that?
Yeah, I just feel like I do think, I do think a doomsday
probably slots in here. I think A.J.
Brown would be over a doomsday. 29 year old A.J.
Brown coming off a year where he all he did was say the enemy
speaks kindly but holds a knife. I mean, he still produces some,
but I also think this is where Devante Adams is going to go.
God dude, I am. I like already don't want to
draft these teams they're. The same teams.
I'm just like, Oh yeah, but dude, Devante Adams is 33 men I.
Think he's going to go in the early 3rd?
If we don't like the options, then we're we get the
quarterbacks going. Yeah.
Well, Judkins, I think Judkins should be here.
Fine. Yes, TT probably coming off of a
Goodyear. I it's going to go ahead of T.
What are What's going to happen with?
Tat A.J. Brown in.
OK, Tat. I don't think he'll be this high
because, because Young's this quarterback and everyone knows
it's a problem. He's he's 3/4.
All right. Maybe he's a little higher,
maybe he's mid third. Yeah, I guess we'll see.
I mean, there have to be to be other players we'd like more O
doonese. Too high?
I don't know, I'm so scarred by the 0.
Yeah, and 4747 points and he had.
Zero, yeah, Devante over 80 AJB is that or is that where we are?
I don't think so, but. I will not.
Be like. A.J.
Brown, Pickens. Interesting.
Yeah, maybe. Maybe I'm wrong about A.J.
Brown. I just, I don't know.
I don't see how A.J. Brown goes much past this.
Ted is mid third. Yeah, I think Ted's probably mid
third. Oh lad.
I've got one, I've got 1. Lad is over at Dunze though.
I've got one for the sloppy crowd here from Andre
Stevenson's contract is terminated by the Dublin
Patriots. Trevion Henderson.
And he goes at 32, exactly where we took him in the main, or
three, three, whatever that was. Yeah, this year.
No, I think Terrell Jennings probably flips him.
Terrell Terrell Jennings ran. Terrell Jennings ran, ran hard.
Yeah, I think this is the Josh Allen spot.
Is this too high for Kyle Manon guy?
Kyle Manon guy very I think. I think what will happen next
year is we will see a real return of the running back dead
zone. I think we will see a lot of
these. I always think of them as the
Jordan Howard types, just like the guys who accumulated the
year before, but are the are just not special in any way,
shape or form and I think those guys are going to pop way back
up. Well.
Like we have Jacobs and Henry, I think this is where people start
to to think about those guys. OK, fucking 32 year old Derrick
Henry, man. He's going to go third round if
he stays healthy. God dude, I just like maybe I
should go get a different job. Well, you don't have to take
these guys. Just stop taking all the 8% of
everyone. Just fade them like I do.
It's. Fun.
I just don't. I just do not man.
I'm I'm cut out. For this.
Just fade them. Fade them.
You're going to eat shit occasionally, but it's it's fun.
It's a good, it's a good time. Yeah, I guess you're probably
right. This is probably about the spot
for Jordan Tyson, rookie wide receiver, or Jonah Coleman,
rookie running back. Let's do the bets I like love
thrown in there. Let's let's wait on the rest of
the rookies for the for Round 4. Oh doom, say A.J.
Brown. I think it aji think A.J.
Brown then T fine. Yeah, TT.
When T comes off a Goodyear, he goes high.
When T comes off a bad year, he goes lower.
And then I think we got to get some of these running backs we
hate in here like Henry. Jacobs, Henry.
Yeah. I mean, Henderson, will
Henderson make the third round? We don't know the rest of the
season yet, but I don't. Think so Ramondre.
Ramondre is signed through 2026. That's why David said to
terminate his contract. I I believe he has an out.
It's not really like it's he'll, he'll be there.
So Romandre does have actually his out does not come after
Till. So never mind Henderson, he's
there for here. Yeah, yeah.
Javonte Williams. They don't save any money by
cutting them, they save like. Probably.
It's probably probably Lamar, then probably Breece Hall.
Is it Bruce Hall? I mean that he's going to be, Oh
no, he's going to be free agent. So let's, let's do Bruce here.
That'll make me happy. RJ Harvey.
RJ Harvey, No, RJ Harvey. RJ Harvey is not happening.
Ever. Or just in our third round here.
Just in our third round, I'm I I kind of, I kind of think it's
yeah, I I actual series nomination Gadsden.
It's Warren over Gadsden all. Right, Warren then.
Fine, that was easy. Pickens.
Oh yeah, What team is he going
to be on though? What about Ladd?
What do we close with Ladd and Pickens?
Yeah, Ladd, Keenan Keenan's done.
Pickens. No, Javonte Williams.
I mean, come on though, right? Where is that?
We're we're going to be haters till the end here.
Let me go. Yeah.
Kids, please get Javonte Williams out of my life, dude.
All right, Good job, Hang. On one one second.
Javonte Williams in the third fucking round, bro I.
I we'll get, we'll get him in here around 12.
Don't want to disrespect. Oh dare you.
What's the what's the shit? What's the shitty big what's the
shitty Big 12 running back running back to on the Cowboys
that I'll be drafting next year? I guess I'm not.
I'm not deep enough into the weeds yet.
Let's call it Yeah. Oh well, there's there's
another. Range.
There's another. There's another Texas running
back coming out. CJ Baxter fourth round pick to
the Cowboys, 11th round pick on my best ball team.
Yeah, you guys who's. Your favorite team of the 12?
Puca Hampton T five you you guys Some people have mentioned
Xavier worthy, but Xavier worthy is going wide receiver 47 and he
is going to be a terrible pick, probably just awful because the
chiefs will the chiefs will figure something else out a wide
receiver. He, he's, he's.
Like if you view the three players Hardman, Tony and
Worthy, they are the evolution of the same player.
Worthy is just the final form of that player.
OK boys. So Davis, you got some big days
ahead here. Best wishes.
We'll be thinking about you. Can't wait to hear what what the
NFL legends first name ends up being.
Your child's middle name after all the dust settles here this
week. Boomer, Boomer, Asias and Matic.
What have you got otherwise work wise until the moment?
Comes here. Waiver wire video just went out
on my channel and then I'll be doing this whole cast in 30
minutes. Pat.
Well, we're starting to work on the playoff best ball stuff.
I'm doing some work on the rankings for that right after
this. So get excited for playoff
basketball just around the corner.
We'll have the sidekick up and up and running, you know, for
the maybe not like right away for the for the first, like wild
card stuff, but we're we're cooking.
We're cooking already. So yeah, excite, really excited
for that. That's always so fun.
Two years ago it came out today, but they just released the
fourth quarter contest, so I'm thinking they might wait one
more week. I think it'll be I'm thinking
next week, but we'll see. But yeah, so, yeah.
And then otherwise, check out the walkthrough, check out
Matter, Reese Quicksland, check out Steph's wave wire com
fabulous football. And I've also been doing for
anyone who doesn't know, I've been doing a podcast with Reebs
on Fridays. Love it and a lot of fun.
Yeah. So check, check those out.
And then, yeah, we'll be back here for the ship cast next
Sunday. Sunday afternoon I went to the
World Series. By the way, here's my little
souvenir. Towel.
I went to game two. I picked the worst game to go
to, but it was still awesome to do it.
What a vibe up there. What a terrible loss series
though. Too bad not much hockey content
today. Apologize for that, but we'll
get Jacob back in the fold next time around and fix that ship
cast Sunday. Thank you, Pat.
Thank you, Davis. I'm Mike show.
Appreciate everybody being with us today.