All right, when I invited Davis to come on the show tonight, it
was to do a check in on our main event team.
I did not realize at the time, it was going to turn into taysom
Hill week and now I am massively regretting this Friar Hellmuth
handjob fix your side with your bar.
Davis. You you know that you're just
dumping on the public, right? You bought taysom Hill stock,
super low, it went to the moon and now you're fucking cashing
out and you're dumping on the poor people who have fed money
to set this day of his life. Be, I mean, Pete, you know that,
you know, that in that the the token gated part of the ship
chasing Discord, we have this ongoing bed where you can cash
out on your best ball takes right?
So it's like you want it, you want to cash out on your, your
fate of Adam thielen. Okay, you can cash out for $150.
Of course, assuming the starting stock is $100, what could you
cash out draft a steel mill, and every draft and best Ball Mania
34 right now, and it's starting prices on her bucks.
Like it would be, it would be insane.
But, I mean, very fortuitous. That he does happen to be a free
agent on ship taking a week where we have Darren Waller on
by, with a hamstring injury. Would you cast him out if he was
absolutely not. No, this is this is like hate
you. Yes, you would dude.
Sell the top Davis. Sell the fucking dirt.
Here's here's the thing. As we all know.
Would you list in Davis? Would you listen to make your
dream price? Would?
Maybe I was maybe I mean very very similar to the title hero.
I would maybe list him for a price that I would never imagine
him selling for and wake up to watch some poor sap giving me
life to getting money. That's what exactly is here.
Bang to be, to be, to put my serious fantasy and on his hat
on. I did I did put a backwards hat
on for the show. This is what I would say.
Tight end scoring is about as bad as it has ever been.
I mean, even including George kid'll useless, Darren Waller
useless, chitti Hawkinson one, good game useless don't and
Schultz back-to-back games, zero receptions useless.
There are no tight end scoring points with Mark Andrews and
Travis Kelce, I guess if you draft a day David and joke.
Ooh, you're feeling good, right. That's like, kind of like the
one. I'm really honest Alberto
Alberto the most useless player in the history of fantasy
football. So the answer was Tyler.
Higbee, it was her on that crane, you were on that big bee.
Bee bee was an incredibly good call by my friend mr.
Paraiso gross. But it is, but even with the
Higbie thing, it's like, okay, you got 14 points, like
Gratulations. I mean my cap to you but it's
like taysom. I mean, he's going to have
certainly three more games where you start in this year, where he
records sub one point, probably. But he also probably has
multiple 20 pointers left as well.
That's the thesis. The reason I'm only interested
in it. On our team is because we do
have Waller were on by. He could miss a couple weeks but
been talk. Talk some sense into this.
I mean, I'm already exhausted from this tasty.
Hell, I mean, flooding, I don't know.
This is the most unique situation in the world.
I do think last week is like, I mean, you made the point earlier
Peters role hasn't changed a bunch of it really hasn't.
They had Michael Thomas And Jarvis Landry out and then
krisiloff a got concussed. And then they went - 18 percent
pass rate. Over expected that a 36 percent
pass rate in the shootout and that was the fifth lowest pass
rate for any team in any game all year.
It was lower than any Chicago's Pass rates.
It was lower than, I mean, it's just incredibly low pass rate,
right? And it's sort of a hot hand
thing. He's bawling, they just keep
giving the ball. He has an X.
That's, that's a good point. I mean, he has that great fumble
recovery. Seems so you gotta reward that
grit, it's a 60 yard TD run. It wasn't just the script
situation in the really pass happiness but he also hits a 60
yard TD run. I mean that was like how about
how about you have to fade every element of that particular
gassing touchdown to Troutman? I mean that was the more I read
just one right here. It's like it's like to tighten
eligible players. Like I don't know what is act
like week one? In four weeks, I don't think
he's gonna multiple more 20-point games, but I think
you'll have multiple more TD scoring games or it gets to like
12 or family more, but how many starts does he have?
He's thrown one pass and he's caught one pass and he's he
hasn't run for more than like I think it's like what eight
carries this week was his season-high.
I mean you're talking about like six to eight carries.
Are you, are you at all, like does it enter into your
analysis? That it seems that everyone for
the Saints is dead? This week that mamas Travis Lee
injury and Crystal Ave are all not practicing this week.
Okay. Yeah, awesome.
That factors into a girl for sure.
Okay. Hey, I want to go around the
panel rest is season. Who would you rather have
straight up points? Doesn't matter when they come
great. Do it does matter when they
come, you have to start this player.
This illness among League. You have no, no dark!
Yeah! True true.
No, it don't matter. I also do want to say that I do
think David's made a really good point that like tighten the
scoring so bad that anyone have been scored touchdown matters,
right? Like, and so, I I do think I
started Alberto and multiple leagues that cost $2000 inner.
So I'm really, I'm really pretty comfortable taking a zero
entitled. Maybe you also spent the entire
offseason saying, Greg Dolce was a false flag operation.
Yeah buddy. And he was not true that we got
turns out. Turns out that been Albright was
the Smoking Man from the X-Files and that was actually quite he
was double reverse. Right, I did I got bogged down
in framing my question. Wrong.
Who would you rather have? Let's go around the panel weeks
15 through 17. Greg Dolce, itch or taysom Hill.
You can only start one, you can only have one on your roster,
you're locked into them on your roster and we're choosing.
Now, we have to choose right now.
Those are literally insane touchdowns and five games.
Hey guys. Hey God, we do David.
So dancer, Pat. I mean, and that's a pretty low
bar is a rookie tight ends, there's always the chance that
maybe maybe taste them to starting quarterback Freeman,
one of those weeks. So I will so say taste them
there to V2. Dulcich is guys for adults and
more Main Events now that I do Alberto because I dropped
Alberto and every League where I had them, but it's like, come on
baby. I mean, The thesis we had for
the bras has clearly been through.
Yeah, the Broncos space. You can lock it in right now.
Weeks 15 to 17 taysom Hill or competence.
Oh, oh God Cowboy. Nope.
Thank God gave. His I was you were going to ruin
me, you've established the bounds of this conversation.
You guys, you guys laughs. I literally think I would rank
Tyson tasting like tight end seven for the rest of the
season. Well, this is a at Lisa's be on
campus. That's what about Big B, Big B,
or it that I've been cake be, I think Higby is the line.
I think it's no good part. Parm, already Hawkinson, okay,
titanate. You're right.
I take off and send Davis how much of your thesis is.
Obviously if he gets a quarterback start it's the smash
of all smashes. How much if he doesn't get if
you knew for a fact he was not going to get a quarterback
start. So it's just going to be these
Gadget touches. How would you feel?
About him or is it that baked in upside of the kyuubi start that
gets you really going? I mean, to be honest a month
ago, I would have said I'm not interested in him at all without
the baked in quarterback stuff, I would have said that is like
98% of the thesis or whatever but after watching what they've
been doing with him. I mean you got to hit batters a
lot less, right? And I mean certainly for
specifically for contest where you win a million dollars to
first place, I don't really think that there is another
player in the pool, who offers like the barbell upside that he
does, but I still think there is a nonzero chance, tastings on
like the winning Main Event team about ever starting at
quarterback for the Saints. I just don't see that.
I mean, it's tight and it's what's probably just see that
which is not good for to its kind of Premium which is not
good for. Per Taste of milk because like
even you go look at his game on, even some of these games were
like yeah. Rushing TD and week for he got
8.1 points in like, in Titan premium.
That's not like, that's fairly easy to get, right?
Tyler. Higbee is getting that one
drive. It's true.
I think, I think his, I mean, you look like you said, he
missed week 3 because of the ribs.
Before that, his Rush attempts were 43 in five and you can't
even, you can't dock his touchdown expectation because he
has a huge role in the Red Zone. But like, Like, I guess what?
I push back on. I think the irony is, I kind of
liked a, some hills floor. I think the ceiling is a fucking
Mirage. That's that's, I mean but either
way, right, either way it works for these teams because so many
of us are so dead at tight end. But you're talking about the
million dollars and all this like, is he that big of a help
in the three-week contest. Like you're going up against a
lot of Kelsey teams in a lot of Andrews teams this.
But if he. So if he has one of these
Miracle taste and games just happens to have one of these
Miracle tastes and games and a random distribution weeks, 15
through 17, you have gained up a massive leg up and I would
assume tasting is not going to be started by that many teams by
then because I assume just pretty much every Kelsey team is
yours. Automatically going to The
championship round the way scoring looks right now, you
know? So I mean like guys I can be
reasonable. I don't like he's not gonna be
the guy who wins you million dollars but he might go to the
guys who wins, you know, you got.
But see Davis, I want you deserve the best ball Victory
lap. It key is already paid off his
draft calls for sure, but we're trying to get you to buy out on
this. Yeah, it's time to sell, but we
had to sell on the season log front.
Yeah, look, I'll sell my own. This is the time to sell.
Yeah, I'll sell my best ball, portfolio for 1,050 a lot of
Trail ants in their bringing the cost down, unfortunately.
All right, let's go around. I want to do another poll.
What do you guys think is average?
Bid is across. Let's do Main Event leagues.
Not football guys. Get people are fucking drop in
Kenneth longer in those legs. What what do you guys think?
Average bid Todd taysom Hill when Mojo post it tomorrow.
I think he goes for double digits in a lot of leagues and I
think he goes for several hundred dollars in a lot of a
lot of guys do but I think it's a really wide range.
I mean, once I saw Matt Collins, go for 308 in a main event.
I just believe that anything was possible.
I'll say, I'll say, 119 is his average bit across the hall Main
Events. We're now remember, he's already
owned in a lot of main events. What would you say in ours?
It's like 50/50 would you say I think sold in about it, maybe
even less maybe a little less. So to me I think then that means
the person is on there and 79 facing his own and seventy nine
point eight percent of Main Event, okay?
All right then I say it goes even higher, I'll say I'll say
average bids to 65 I'll say 185. 185 sounds right. 185, so is
going to be somewhere between you two.
Probably 12 or something, using this as a proxy for Market
sentiment in the battle royales on Underdog because ATP is tied
in three this week. It's Kelsey Andrews and then
people are fucking jamming Taste of Hill Day.
People are gonna be fucking ridiculous.
Yeah yeah Davis it's about the fact, the fact that you guessed
115 I really feel the need to implore you to cash out on this
say, something you don't realize how much you could make.
I mean, okay. So like yeah, whatever I'll
catch. I know because Cashing Out does
that imply, I can't Victory lap the next time he gets 34.
That's why Dave is your anchor to your own Victory, lap and
Equity. I mean, that's the one.
That's why I play the game. We all know, we all know.
I'm never gonna win the million dollars, the victory.
Last best thing I've got going, you cry at you.
You've already got the kudos for the taste of his mouth are gonna
look great. It, you worse.
There's an old to like 75 percent of our audience is the
first five weeks. You've won the Davis, what you
can do now, if you cash out now what that opens up for you is
that then you can Victory lap when taysom Hill doesn't do
anything from this point. I think you and I told you, I
told you week six is when you have to cash out if I had to
miss out on the Euphoria of another taysom Hill multi
touchdown game. I mean, you guys don't
understand how it's because you're a Discord with your
buddies. They're all like, you know,
we're rich. Yeah, even though you're
completely ignoring the taste of might be on a bunch of 11 place,
you know, basketball teams or whatever.
Can I bump our bit up? Pete Pete.
And I've just been getting our teeth kicked in and these these
GPS and and I think it's like, you gotta, you gotta remove the
loser. Mind say it and you gotta just
you gotta do it. Just go to gym taysom Hill,
my favorite line from our chat was Davis saying I'm not
convinced It even gets in, people are all caps frothy and
then I hit you back with the yeah because it you dumbass it
all. Yeah, I did like that too.
Well, I mean we're all we're all looking for the guy who's this?
Yeah. II finished.
Seventh in the Hail Mary on Underdog last week.
I fucking would be grudgingly. Took taste him as my bring back
in my Gino double stacks. And you know what I'm doing?
I'm fucking taking my chips off the table and we're moving on
Davis, we're cash, it out. At least we had week 5 tweet,
which is coming in. Like three or four weeks.
It smells the best point that Davis had and we should pull up
our team. I won't show the bid here but we
have a good team and that's not happening.
This is really the biggest thing is that this is a team I really
would like to see make it to the championship round.
Yeah. So just having that extra ammo
that's a that's a more convincing argument to me that
we need to get to the championship round.
We need a win this week is what using losing this week kind of
dead. Is this team?
I think IV. Let's start bi.
Well this is this is the only this is the only way.
Well this is the all play week so this this this is super
important for standings. So this is our team here for the
audio listeners. I'm going to recap the entire
draft board. No, for the audio
Waller, Drake London, Rondell more, Jason Sanders, Green Bay,
and then on the bench, Zach Wilson, Richard white, Rex
Burkhead, Derrick Henry, we are famously.
The only team in the main event with Derrick Henry and Justin
Jefferson check the chain, semaj perine.
Ronald Jones, Christian Watson Trail and Burks him on rosti
ground Joshua Homer. This is like the classic team
that looks strong at at wide receiver and then immediately
feels very weak. We could almond, Rusty, Brown,
and Derrick Henry back in the lineup after these bikes.
I mean, he got we I don't know if you guys talked about this on
the show last week. I mean, we got owned on the
waiver or waiver you last week on this to you.
I mean we we missed out on everyone.
We wanted although gift horse in the mouth.
We tried to bid a lot on Jared Goff got outbid on Jared Goff
and then got Fantasies number five points chords, you know
Smith to remain in our starting lineup.
We also got our pick it which I'm not, but I would still have,
pick it over Jean. Oh, oh my God, I literally can't
talk about, Kenny pick it anymore.
I'm going on like our 11 of debating.
Okay. Kit with Liam I'm gonna can t
take any pickets I think he's like the not want not what I
needed to pick it. Over Gina for sure.
Davis is sounds kind of odd jobs, Woodley of it.
It I mean I basically want you guys to just Live it hash this
out for 10 hours. Straight.
It's so how much of Liam's take is that he just happened to play
the bills last week so he watched every snap.
That was Pete's point and eventually eventually we got
there. He said, he said I watch this
game at a truck stop. I know.
Kenny ticket is good, that's where that's we get.
We got to that baby. Got not, I shit you not.
We've been doing this since. Let's see when the first I got
eye candy truck. I mean, my sense.
You mean to you, let's say that game.
The let's just say the Steelers play the Eagles last week, Liam
wouldn't give one single shit about.
Can he pick it? It's because he wants to play a
full game, that's the only reason.
How do you know that this like cut into get that?
He's the most awesome? Like this guy runs.
So pure that, he's a homer for the most exciting football team
of Our Generation like, run good.
Yeah, imagine of JuJu Smith. Schuster was good.
My home Arisen would be paying off to, but unfortunately, not
great, they're tart that hard, it's posted.
No top 24 finishes from Chiefs wide receivers this year.
Like, what crazy? I was just trying to relax on
the couch and eat and just, you know, kind of hang out.
And for ruined my night, we have ignored probably.
The most interesting situation on the waiver wire this week
though, are we going to get to it?
Let's say yeah I just want to look at this real quick and then
then let's get to it here. So what the closest we got to
sniffing it was week one when Juju finished as wide receiver
27, I mean my fucking god to be fair, Valdez scantling was a
fingertip away from doing it against the Colts.
He just didn't extend his arms far enough for an 80-yard
touchdown. Well, I guess I'm going to swing
at Starry week. Five yet 20th there but still my
God. Yeah.
Alright. Alright more still matters.
Yeah. I thought this week watching
him, like total film grinder, take that.
He looked a little slow on his into his routes.
Like, I don't know. I don't really want to go deep
into the film grinder world. But if we see this with rookies,
it need a little time. He came from a non power 5
school. The game looked a little fast
based on like my home is getting passes off and he hasn't even
looked back yet on a few of them but like, that's fine, but the
stakes are the stakes are too high for him to play right now.
Right. This second, I think it's going
to be a couple more weeks. No, no.
And if you're looking, if you're looking for reasons to be
encouraged, he started out playing no snaps behind.
Just right, Watson, right? Begin the year.
And he ran ahead of Justin Watson last week, look, we all
know it's a matter of time before Harden goes to the bench,
right? Right.
Yes. And they're going to need sky
for the postseason on like he's gonna give you a look up around
week 12 at the latest and and get ready for the postseason.
Because he's like, I mean, look at those two little wide
receiver screens at Doom in the fourth quarter last week.
Like you looked explosive, just I thought ten yard games but way
more than anything else they have Juju guys, guys gonna go
stopped. By the way, this guy is gonna
get dropped the next two weeks in F and Main Event leads
because bro, we got we got injuries and buys.
Yeah, we weren't hurt. Burke's is going to get dropped
in a bunch of leaves tonight. Yeah.
All right. Davis, what was your most
interesting angle on the waiver wire Patriots?
Running back to? I mean, or maybe running back
one, to be honest. Like, I mean, reminder is going
to get a lot of work, but But but, but
the 1-yard line Kate will take the Step It Up Taylor and he's
into the end zone. Touchdown Arizona.
Tell her to the end zone for the touchdown.
Over-the-top touchdown Arizona. And I'm Gigi to the right side
squats away 15 recite after the gym to the 30 gets a block to
the 42 Midfield, turns the corner, some level 40, the price
down to the 35, to the 30 and out of bounds near the 25 yard
line first in 10 Arizona. First down pressure, tackling
guides goes the screen pass. I said it's caught 35 down to
the 30, 25, 20 the first down, changing 10 to the 10, to the 5
touchdown Arizona. How funny is it going to be when
remind Ray Stevenson doesn't have a pass game role anymore?
Because Jay, Jay Taylor is ready exclusively as the past catch,
he hasn't really had that much of a pest control to begin with
this year's been weird. He's brushing.
I II actually think it'll be. I actually think it'll be the
reverse. I think Jay.
Jay Taylor will be the early down guy.
What? Really?
I do. Wasn't he acted last week, did
you tell who was active last week, right?
I saw a strong here. Strong was.
Inactive. Wasn't, you know, he's a healthy
scratch. That's right now.
Jay Taylor his night, they only had two running backs active
last week, which helped the days of listed on the Patriots
inactives, I checked because he was on the P Squad, bro, he was
on the Cosmetics on the interesting JH JJJ, Taylor,
Taylor's been on the practice squad.
All year for the New England Patriots.
And they can't, I also can't find any reporting on this is.
Kevin Harris. Also on their practice squad or
is he unsigned? I don't know, I think he's on
their practice squad to. I mean, our Lads would have
that. I'm just I'm just I'm preparing
a. I'm just preparing everyone for
what's going to happen this week which is the Patriots are going
to have four running backs active and our Lads has good,
Kevin Harris. Okay.
So they're going to my my two cents and be they're going to
call him up. That'd be my guess, my guess is.
They're gonna try all these guys out and whoever plays well is
going to get more wrong. So this has been awesome this
year. He's been awesome.
I don't think they're going to like hold open tryouts for the
lead rusher. Nah man and may not lead rusher
maybe last year they would have but like he's a second-year back
who's been super explosive and consistent is there is there a
Bailey's a pee like Pinion on this show.
Where we, I mean, I don't think I could be any more in on
Bailey's. Abby.
If I tried, He seems fine, right?
He seems like he, I mean he did almost beat Aaron Rodgers coming
in cold at Lambeau. It is very first NFL, he's no
Daniel Jones, but he's pretty good.
Did you guys see the clip of Daniel Jones?
Asking Aaron Rodgers? If he was?
Okay. After the London, know, if you
can pull that up, we should watch that.
He just so funny dude. I really was by the way.
So not to take it too. Too much back to taste some, but
you guys know that, you know, sometimes Sean seagulls like a
little bit mysterious with where he stands on things.
I'm in a dynasty league with Sean.
This is a dynasty League. We have a bid in right now,
taysom Hill, don't do this, for two hundred, and thirty thousand
dollars. I mean, would you get 10 more
years of tied? N1 Q.
V1 r, b. That is the funniest thing that
no one remembers This guy has more positions than Mormons do
wives. All right about this clip.
Anyway Davis you want up the bid, go ahead.
Yeah I mean I wish I had a sensor on this show to just
bleep you guys when you're starting to say shit, I don't
like to hear the words Aryan by the way that I'll reveal it, it
hopes will go over the top. Yeah, right.
Want to ask me in the chat earlier, if I'd be willing to
cash out on my Eno Benjamin shares, I cash out.
What I mean I have to know is the equity this way.
This is like the the Eno thing. This is like your friend asking
you more names for the first time, but before Jimmy Fallon
bought one, you're not, you're not cashing out quite yet.
I'm worried that James Conner is going to limp out there with
fucking half a rib. Dude, what about are you guys
doing any one dollar bids on Kiante Ingram?
Just me. I think he's in some groups, but
yeah, Mike, what about that one? There's a long list.
Josh Kelly's. There's a bunch of guys were
like kind of interesting. Well, there's Tevin Coleman is
available everywhere. Deejay Dallas is available
everywhere. Don't don't do the Tevin Coleman
thing, add any Patriots, running back over.
Tevin Coleman, I think, just just, I went through all.
I went through all of our boots and lowered Tevin Coleman in all
of them, like not even, even if he's at $1, I like bumped him
behind other one dollar guys. I'm not into Chemical.
I think Damien Williams is probably a better ad after
watching the Falcons running backs last week.
What did they was it their news on him today about when he was
going to be back? I just think he'll eat because
it was just like a quad injury. I don't think he was expected to
be out like that. Long Damien Williams says, he is
mentally ready to go /. The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
this is like when Zach Wilson told Robert solow.
He's mentally ready to return to to action and clearly he wasn't
Fair enough, Zach Wilson. We thought he looked alright.
Last week, is he, the problem is, is Zach Wilson and and
briefs all being. So good is pretty bad for this
Garrett, Wilson, Elijah more bags.
So here's the step for you, completion percentage over
expected. You know, normally if you have
like a positive completion percentage over expected, you're
like generally in the middle of the pack of quarterbacks for a
given week for the first time in his career.
Here Zach Wells and had a positive completion percentage
of expect the last week. It wasn't even that high was
like point six percent but he's been - in every single week is
career, super inaccurate quarterback so we don't like to
see that we should talk about. So I was doing my sweep on
Sunday of this team and we had Michael Carter in obviously we
had Derrick Henry and so we're looking at running back to I was
looking at projections and stuff and I was like, let's play.
Let's Play. Tyler algier here over Michael
Carter. And boy, was that a tough?
I mean to watch fucking dust ball.
Michael Carter land two touchdowns here to 17 points.
Getting Dunked On By Davis and there never again with Tyler
algier, probably probably the last points.
Michael Carter is going to score too.
I need to know what we missed them.
He's just that he's just been iced.
I mean, this team is just classic ship chasing.
We are going to be playing running back to roulette for the
rest of the season. I mean, I can't believe we are
still staring at Ronald Jones. On this team like guys, we gotta
give up the ghost. It's not easy to use.
There's a million. That's a long big group with him
as the drop. Don't worry, don't worry Davis.
I'll tell you what, if you want to put things in perspective, if
you want to look in the mirror, there's about an equal chance of
Ronald Jones be in. The guy.
You need is there is taysom hill, we got this true dude
teeth. That's exactly true.
I just, I can't I can't get there II.
Ha ha Pacheco is looked pretty good.
What Chuckles give it? Yeah.
Looks good man. Well, I mean but that we knew
that all along. Yeah, right.
Yeah. They got do just make big hit in
the Belk out. Like what do we even fucking
around? Well, they don't, I mean it's
very similar to the way the bills you Singletary.
They would prefer to save McKinnon for the like I bet
McKinnon has his hot Hampshire, the season, and this game
against the bills this weekend. Gretch, we haven't heard from
you in a while, how you doing? Well, I was just, you know,
reply and reply and Away versus 200 bids.
Let him go. Let him work, man.
Yeah, the hot. I'm not I want to be.
I do think one of the things I saw cross a lot of our leagues
this week was we had a lot of like 30 50, 60 dollar bids on
players that like I don't really care if we got them I don't like
for any number. I don't really see the point of
spending 5%. Lowered, some of those you
pointed that out a bunch. I think the, the like, that's
something Sean's been preaching to me lately.
And I think it's a good point. We talked about on stealing
bananas a little bit that like that $50 that you lose on a week
where you don't really have great Targets.
This is a non taysom Hill League or, you know, you're looking at
some of the other guys. I mean, it's not a lot of money,
but if you have a lot of options, you don't really care.
That guy is like it is a difference between an another
week on a guy. You do like going to 50 up to
300 or something like that. When you want to go, that extra
50 on a big bid later, you know, this can prevent that basically
just like I'm wasting right 50, 50 bucks.
Yeah, that's probably my biggest week.
No probably might. It's probably my biggest League
honestly, again. It, is it an, is it, could you
literally just messages and extremely high?
Bid, you biggest, why are gonna get your biggest leak, maybe?
No, I actually think I would say.
One of my strengths is not being afraid to go.
Really am on For example, for example, laughs sleep.
Now there's two different things at play last year.
The League's that you and I the three of us were together and we
got Elijah Mitchell and both of them.
Yeah right because because I said we gotta lay the hammer,
this is the spot there but I am really bad at like 40.
I bid like I mean uncontested I was winning Khalil Shakir bids
last week for like 88 box and no one else might leak was betting
on him. We want you here in a lot of
spots. I felt really really good about
that one. I started him.
I started I started him and I lost starting him over Terry
McLaren and illegal by terrorists co-managers.
Why is everyone so obsessed with Terry?
McLaren can just it could just be enough.
It did you hear Scott's silver was on fucking established the
show last week. Saying this, this was Silva's
Galaxy braid. He wanted to do.
Derrick Henry Terry McLaren mini with the Titans defense also
tossed in and he also said the spreadsheet.
Dallas over at ship chasing that they like every wide receiver
except Terry McLaren they probably like Johnny Brown.
I mean yeah I think we do like every wide receiver.
We like every wide receiver but Jacoby Myers.
And Terry, McLaren really are the two.
We don't like when Joshua Palmer were about to fuck.
Fuck that dust by me. This tape Joshua, Joshua, you
know, look good for like three games last season.
He's got Josh Norris, blowing him every three days on the
other side fantasy you too. Gentle and you're getting out
produced by D. Andre Carter a career special
teamer like enough already. Yeah, no.
Thank you. I'm Josh Palmer.
The cabal, the cabal got me on that one.
I'm doing my first main with silver this year.
So, getting the first run around.
That's I know if you guys, you guys have done before, he's
taken to calling us the Ship Shape Che stirs with a tea that
maybe like Chastity or something Cassidy belts.
Yeah. And then, interesting Chasers
last time we mentioned as he said we were literally
gaslighting that goddamn country on what now Ship.
I think that would just be a wonderful.
I mean, I hate to be fair to be fair to the running back people
out there, the running backs have caught up with the wide
receivers and scoring other than Christian McCaffrey and Jonathan
Taylor other than like love premium picks that people spend.
Well I mean, you know like let's let's eat a now.
I mean big Estella. My life is going to be on
Kenneth Walker who I thought was like the worst pick ever and
he's just gonna he's got a lot of pushback.
Around here during Main Event drafts trying to draft Kenneth
Walker. There was some yes worrywarts I
was completely out. Yeah, I could, I could not who
could have predicted Richard Penny, getting hurt.
You shouldn't have done that. That's not even the important
part of the equation. That is nothing.
That it is. It is actually it was a was
going off, he looked great. Oh - well, yes, but the even
larger prior was that we thought the Seahawks were going to be 32
out of 32 on offense. I mean we thought that this
Locks were truly going to be worse than the Bears have been
this year on offense, and I don't know if I thought they do
that bad. I was pretty in the dryer.
I did. I did, I mean, I like I have a
lot of Penny. We also have to give as usual
seagull, the the ultimate W on this one and two in the 0r B
doesn't matter. Whoever starting is going to be
the fucking Smash and it's playing out exactly as he drew
it up. Yep.
I mean come on do this. This the the You know, the
dissonance between what the Broncos have been or what the
market expectation for the Broncos was and what the
Seahawks have been and what the market expectation.
For the Seahawks says, I mean that is I mean, it's got to be
one crazy. It's gotta be one of the most
surprising things in fantasy forever ever.
Not fantasy football football, just life.
Yeah, well, I've had a few times and I was like, I don't know if
I said on this world cast or whatever.
If you wrote that down, as a script like this Freaky Friday
situation that oh So Wilson, Geno, Smith change bodies and
Pete. Carroll got really into throwing
the ball, like you would say, no throw this out, it's too
unrealistic. If I wanted to come on, if
someone had come on from today with perfect knowledge of what
was happening and and like on a preseason podcast delivered that
as a take a prediction, we would have, told ya, I would have
thought it would have made me so mad.
I would have liked. I would have unfollowed that
person. Really expresses the fucking
idiot. I've been 100% right.
Like I could Couldn't have pot. I was not even remotely open to
the upcoming reality of the situation and what's boots on
the ground. How about this Geno?
Smith was drafted in what? Maybe 30% of BBM, threes, I5
core in quarterback. Let's say lower than 30 people,
or you halo, you could get in really late and superflex dress.
I'd be in shock. Took him interview, and, you
know, Victory lap. Go and double digits in
Resurrection drafts right now. People still don't believe it.
You can get him in like the 12th round of superflex drafts.
All offseason. Yeah I mean yeah he was free.
You forget who's going to start? He's gotta be some 10% and BBM
for sure. Dude I did you see the quote
think that quota David Pete, Carroll said Drew longest
nipping at Jimmy laughing nipping at his heels care was
such a fucking moron like at least Carol still more and I was
going great and I've been really having this This like third eye
moment with Pete Carroll like maybe he actually has had it all
figured out the whole time and Russ actually sucked.
And, and that that it was really all Pete trying to cover up for
what Russ couldn't do and that's why they kept cycling through
offensive coordinators because Russ would be like you got to,
let me do this. And then the offensive
coordinator were trying let him do it and then they suck and
then Pete was like, you know, juggling these 19 different
things trying to keep it all harmonious.
You know? I don't know, it's just so
bizarre. It's crazy.
But that's what's this on the ground tank.
Wow. We got people on how they
believe it. I mean, I don't know about
believing, I know that people are excited.
It's it's cool. People are like Didn't know that
Geno Smith was this good kind of a thing.
Like I mean that's that's the response that I've been here.
He was not that bad last year and I said it to one of my
buddies and he was like I thought he was terrible last
year, but he's really good now, I don't know it, it's just
people taken aback, I think. You, if he, I thought, did you
write in the newsletter and the facelift newsletter that he's in
the MVP conversation. Now, I linked to a Kenneth
Cashman tweet that he's a, he'd be a top five MVP candidate
right now. I mean, he's not going to win
MVP, but yeah, it would be, it would be all time.
Amazing, you know, it was always this thing that rust.
Never got MVP votes in Seattle and we don't got a singular and
BP. Well, they're, I mean, they're
two of the three point. Like, you gotta win, you get a
linear division, first like the big thing of them.
BP, Zack, you gotta win. Usually the one seed who is the
MVP right now? Josh Allen to.
I mean I I don't even know if he's if she knows top.
Five is Mahone is this is why I always Alan hurts.
Yeah. Mom are the best bet you could
make right now would be Brady for are between 30 and 40 to 1
for MVP. He got all his guys back and you
know, these crusty old Sports writers would love nothing more
than to send. Brady, you know, out into his
retirement with another MVP. With is the 10th grade, he's not
going to retire, he's gonna come back and keep flying.
So you're gonna have them script The Narrative and then he's
gonna thumb his nose at the narrative.
And then next year, he's going to take a bunch of shit because
they want him to retire. Davis, what are the odds?
Taysom Hill leads to say to the number one seed.
It wasn't me P0. The Saints are really bad.
I just don't like the Saints are like a dumpster fire, dude.
Like its operating. The Narrative I like on hurts is
that there's no way that people actually vote for him to win the
MVP. But that syriana will get coach
of the year is the makeup I like that because people still have
it. People still have it in their
brains. That hurts is bad.
It's like, it's like, yeah, Jalen Hurd.
It's that in particular, two games both against the
Buccaneers have really colored people's opinion of jail hurts.
One was a Thursday night game when one was the playoff game
where they got behind 14 points, almost immediately and they just
couldn't do anything. And I feel like that's just a
man that fact that he got benched for to uh, who people
hate in college. You know.
People can't people can't. Over that but Jalen hurd's of
you, if you go look Gretch, this would actually be a great
exercise for you to do, if you care to do it in stealing
signals, just to show how Jalen Hurd says literally gotten
better. Every year he's ever played like
every year, he's added a new dimension, whose skill and I
need. It's all it's all coming
together right now. I mean I think I got enough time
next week to go back and watch all his films and the skills
that he's added each year. Yeah, totally I mean who gets
this would be great for you. You should do this.
I'll just mix that in. Yeah, every time you had time to
go back and look at what Matt rule did a temple and Baylor.
So it's it's not be off. You Gotta Give me mad to get me
to really dig into something. A lot rule gets another job
because that's the way the NFL Works.
No, he's going back to college, he's got to go back to college.
This is a well Oklahoma. Oklahoma is going to need a
coach and about. I almost said this.
Is this just tell he's big but Chip.
Kelly got another job with the diner's.
I forgot about that. I grant you just gonna be
official stealing lines, play Gino 300.
I mean, I'll put a bomb on Gino at 300, to 1.
Let's fucking go. I mean, you put trash out, put
it out, they gotta win, they gotta win the division, like you
have to win 12 games to win, MVP, it's a rule.
Like it's never an occasion sucks.
The sun, it's the Seahawks. Let's go two and three.
That means I gotta win ten of their last hair there.
Well, get their defense, their defense.
I love the differences, so bad, dead, dead.
Last in yards per play Allowed, no one, no one even close.
If you like .8 finds plenty of have to liberalize their defense
is fucking up our high-stakes leaks because now we have to bid
for taysom Hill, that's how bad their defensive.
Let's answer my question. So we encourage your tip.
Don't do that. Don't do that.
Don't do that reasonably big? I don't know how big reasonably
big if you're putting in. You got to be dead to rights,
he's back. It in a bigger bed.
Right there. He's one of the guys that I was
saying I didn't want to put $50 on.
I wanted to do one. Do I think 50 is defensible
anything over? That's crazy.
Here's the thing. Josh Kelley I know for a fact
has been on the waivers in this same role his entire career.
It's a different role. Michelle was phased out last
week. That's that's yeah.
But I mean Tilt. So he'll be phased out until
this week and until he's not I mean, maybe yeah, Davis.
Do you want to get him in bed? David say the tastes embed.
Say it out loud. Say what you changed it to $212?
I still think it's too low, which I still think it's too
long. It's too high.
What happened to Sean way too? Well to low says Sean John and
Anna. Liam is not addicted.
We don't have to make bids on tasting this week because we
already have them too bad. He doesn't have quarterback
eligibility that. You guys wouldn't have this.
We would have nothing to argue about the Juventus some last
week, or did you draft? We drafted him.
No. No, we picked him up.
We picked him up after week one. We I think we've been 30 bucks
on him after week, one after we people are doing fucking Bible
verse bidding on. We had a, we had a sassy
tweeting that when he scores, It's a shot about why?
That one in four hundred dollars a day.
Someone will see. You don't know who's got
through. This is just Kenneth Walker all
over again. Sean's gonna be right in the
end. You're only saying that because
he agrees because you, yeah, your bags are that is that is,
that is how that works. Okay, so bids have locked.
Can we have, can we pump bags? I think going hard on a strong
was the move Pierce wrong is. Is good.
And how hard did you go on him? We had small bids on him.
I moved him up to 55 bucks in every League.
I have European him. I moved him.
But more importantly I moved probably talking about this is
like gave up 55 bucks. Yes, literally literally.
Yes. What I was just talking about
but II just moved him ahead of Coleman Kelly deejay, Dallas,
yada yada yada and every League I'm in uh no mr.
Fucking Kenny. Take it himself.
Look, he's got some fucking ambient streamer lighting.
Now, he's ready for the big time here.
Here's the thanks up, Lads. Here's the thing.
We have that was really tilting. Me is what I'm having when I'm
talking to karein. You know, when I'm on I'm doing
with dink Meyer and Leone and we're making lineup whatever
like we can we can kind of facts and logic each other and we can
be like you know these are the range of outcomes easy with
these guys are projected for the shit.
Just does not work on me and Lena is totally impervious to
the statistical. He does not care.
He's like bro you don't understand Daniel Jones sucks.
Well to me it's like you're trying to play the quarterback
with a team that was trying to hide him by running say Kwan and
This is hard on the line right here.
How confident are you? Because I would go and take it,
right? Because here's what we have.
Liam, Liam challenging, my manhood for a quarterback.
You want to play Russian Roulette?
I love this, I love this line of attack.
You're gonna go with your point for projected.
Hi guys. Receive me.
Kyle and Davis have been battling really since like the
sixth round of our main event where I was like slamming the
table for Miles Sanders and was bark town for none other than
Albert fucking. Oh and since then since then we
just been added like to see my face or I'm like we also we also
did this last week with Melvin Gordon.
We also quit I shit you not the first message that we sent this
morning about quarterback. Waiver wire bids was that 1024
a.m. Central Time.
So this is now this is now 13 hours of our day that we spent
arguing about this. Well and to me like again, the
team is trying to hide Daniel Jones.
Okay. He gives you like a rushing for
of, like five to seven points. We know what he is, we've had
seasons of data. We know who Pass catchers are
right now unless Tony comes back from the dead pick.
It has actually good weapons. I think from watching that game
against the bills. I mean that's your good you're
pretty sure you didn't watch that game.
Well I watch the stuff. I watched the first half in a
truck stop as I was driving home and then listen to it on your.
Here's the thing. You're preaching to the choir.
This is a very Pro picket show these guys, all love picket
that's why I want to talk about because I know Gretch is grinded
film, you know Pizza. In the weeds patch, right?
In the right up. Like they're watching this
stuff. You're over here.
Just like, can you pick? It's got small hands, you know.
Like was that a take today? His hand sighs.
No, I just I knew what they were.
No has small hands. You can't have your cake and eat
it, too. Liam, you can't be like the
reason I want to start this guy's because I watch them play
at a fucking truck stop. While eating Slim Jims, I don't
eat meat but the no. Oh my God, no wonder.
No wonder your brain is rekt. Dude we need time apart.
All right I would have never come in question my protein,
bro. Liam Liam pulled the most egg
roll. Putting a gun to my head for a
quarterback. Starts it.
But he won't eat. Read me some tilted, I was just
going to develop the man off, it's how he finally.
I was that Pickett is a good play.
I mean, how many ways can you get there?
He could. He actually is mobile bomb, does
it? All right.
He is going to be the past. I have bad news for you.
You are really gonna have to eat some shit when he has nine
points this week against it. Have been possible.
That's impossible. They do Jones has a lower floor.
Ticket this week, I will stand by that.
Well, we're going to find out very soon.
Who is our quarterback. So who's breaking this tie for
you guys? Is Kyle know.
Kyle, is Kyle himself as 1997 Davis.
Yeah, I don't know what that means, but he just is tapping
out. Kind of tapped out.
He, I think rightly realize it was not worth, you know, the
three points either way, it was not worth the mental
expenditure. Well, that's what I'm trying to
say though. Is like, we know that they're
like, who they are, like their floors are similar.
But one has an actual ceiling that does not require them to
have three rushing touchdowns. Can you pick?
It doesn't, but passing touchdown in the NFL, yet stat
chasing. We have our first taste of he'll
bid, and I'm going to be closest to the pin on this 328, bid for
taysom Hill. The froth.
Oh, you just rock up for you. I have too many leagues this
year, but I did on like the football guy ones.
I kind of be begrudgingly but I saw he was on the waivers and
just unloaded at 333. So, the guy that we want, To go
really hard at was TDP. I picked him up on the couple to
you guys, but I thought no one wanted five weeks, so I just let
it go. Well, I mean, the fact that
Tevin Coleman looked good in that offense last week.
Like, no, that's, that's that's bearish.
That is total bullshit. That's good for TV.
P Coleman 5 in this fucking economy, get the fuck out of the
nice been looking for trying to win.
Taysom Hill? No, no.
He was the one who first pointed out to me.
He was Our reputation. Our Fab report still is I was it
load faster on mobile? Yeah, you got to look on mobile.
Okay, this is behind the paywall but I do want to see the Dalton
officially did but it out and she does love to see how the
sausage is made. This is, that's a terrible bet.
Do not rub her stamp, this be hot.
Take a risk. I mean these were being smart
with you guys. See that taste them and in ship,
taking went for 667, the fuck. That's a good, that's a good
deduction. That's up to you.
Listen, listen. We wear our friends, forgetting
his name. Damn it, that makes me an
asshole. He Auto, drafted you remember,
we had Tyler future time. So Tyler is the guy kicked our
ass last week who is on who drafted this Auto draft a team.
Obviously, he's trying to build this team or his own image so he
just spent 666 $667 on taysom Hill.
Wow, I played taysom Hill in five main event teams last week,
We love to see it. Liam you play them in five so
baby, tell me well through the starts it all I heard there.
Was you guys just can't catch a break huh.
You've got so much borya this weekend from Jason Hill that you
are not unbiased here. Like it.
Yeah, you were on, I had to play him if I'm clear about my other
Titan options but still I played him in five leagues.
Tell me the starts its across these five, I want.
And I want to hear. All right.
Really great in the nitty-gritty here.
Well, again, I woke up from the day after her wedding and had to
go down the road to drive back from Mobile to, thank you do
with anything because I woke up past the London game, this is
important context where I had a Bellinger or taste them for some
of these games or Dawson knocks and do some noxious ruled out.
You know, shout out my guy still believing.
This is this is like, you know how you know how?
People are just destined to run good in life.
Liam is literally just telling us the story of the guy you
drafted. 77% gave Davis won a million dollars without Gabe.
Davis on his best. Well, maybe a three game like
that. This is just this restore e
reiterated. Yeah.
I also love your Daniel Bellinger who also scored a
touchdown, right? I'm rushing.
You were good. Not sleeping.
Is that story? Let the record show.
Let the record show on our co-manage team.
We have havenhurst Greg, dulcich and taste them, and we started
hating Hearst, uncontested, Nary a mental.
Okay? So I let you control that team
is You put a gun to my head.
Wait. So that means that means we did
in Rats on having one of the top three times.
I thought that I had to play Chasin and pint every legal that
hard. Is that hard to do?
It's great to me. Lost gradually.
Get $88 Hunter Henry on ship taking.
No, we actually needed a tight end real close it there.
What was the next? Good 48?
Okay, okay, you're conservative bid of like Eighty-seven dollars
would not have gotten them. Yeah we needed them as well.
There was the reasons it was just taste them or take his you
that was the General your worst worst worst case scenario for
that team would have been winning a dulcich bib and then
us not knowing if he was going to be activated until Sunday and
then not having a backup option for coming, we finally you will
be. We couldn't start him even if
he's activated. I believe he is a share your
screams. Let's see some of these your
favorite teams. It's all, it's all, it's all
mobile. The bids on process that fast in
the website. No present.
I want to see the layout of your favorite teams.
You know? I'm a I'm trying to scratch that
D gennych and nonpolar masturbating to their team's
more than lamb know. Liam Liam, Liam is doing quite
dizzy. The FBI, the FBI is like already
made multiple calls out to his house.
He is number one like where you at drafters standings after week
to, you know, ya know, I'm pushing back on.
Because you guys were like, oh, we're too cool to share where we
are. Let the people have some fucking
excitement about best ball, we're all getting killed in TFS,
you know, like, Liam, Liam had me on his stream, and we drafted
a team that for a while, was scoring was a top, his top
scoring team. And I don't, I think this week,
it wasn't. And let me tell you, I couldn't
be more fucking happy about it, because you were tagging me
every week, people would scare their team. 35 indications of
people's fucking best Maldives house.
A let's come on. Stop scoring wealthy.
Fucking Friendly. Fire peopleschamp farmer over
here. I'm trying to give the people a
chance peopleschamp takig be in. The flesh is a fun team.
We have with our crack rock team.
So we got Ramon Dre. I love cracker off, but him
hating on taysom. Yes guys.
Hey, what's up? And so his model is just ruining
is just ruining him. I just love the idea that people
are like shaking their fist at the sky seeing taysom Hill.
I try to I mean, we're we like we all joke about this but under
about customer support would tasting is on the week 17
whether they're going to be unabated, like people are going
to legit be math. No one more mad though, that the
FPC there is going to be, there's going to be a class
action lawsuit against Nick rugman for classical.
People versus Nicaraguan. Good luck to the people.
Honestly, Jesus. No.
Be bad. Did y'all put any bids in on
Deon Jackson? What's our thoughts on him?
Are you gonna last? I drafted him in.
Best Ball Mania. 31 of the only teams.
Seriously? Yeah. no, I'm
running back is, and of course No, not him.
Behind is not going to get 20 touches a week.
So I was like, no one strapped and Deon Jackson.
And so, sprinkle them in a little bit, I sprinkled in some
Philip Lindsay there and then I was, then he got LeapFrog by
Deon Jackson. Hey, Liam, we want any ticket?
Let's go. Wait, what the heck?
Wait, this whole debate was happening in.
Can he pick it wasn't even on your team yet?
Well, worth it was. It was our waiver would it was
our waiver order, okay. I thought they were both on your
team. Actually makes more sense.
This was a team. This was a team.
We drafted Dak. We decided to keep him and I'm
going to keep believe. Now I thought this was for a
spot. Start for one wit is, we don't
have another quarterback. It is a picket long term but we
already have the Cowboys are good.
The capital figuring it out there for long because their
defense is good they're hiding the shit out of Cooper Rush.
Okay well they're not gonna hide DAC.
Well you say that but it's winning.
No I can't. I can't even go there.
I can't even go. There karthi will hide that he's
not have no problem hiding deck. What if this time off was what
DAC needed to regain his mobility.
And what if that? What if it is?
So who has money left? Because people are going fucking
800 for my bun. And they're going 504, taysom
Hill, there's no money left. I got a lot of Fab lift.
I don't know what I'm saving it for why?
I got a lot of fun. Well, I got a lot of fabulous.
Taste of a hill is no different right now than he was one week
ago when it was fucking at it. He just did a thing that we all
knew he could do. Like, no one.
Didn't think that was possible. Shoot.
Be fair. I would have did I want I have
tasted one all my teams where I don't have Waller Kettle.
Kelsey Andrew Pitts. Henry pointing out.
That these are 12 team leagues, where everyone has $1000, bill
will help you figure out how much money in the pool.
There is, thanks. Thanks.
I mean, we all, we all feel that waivers is different this year,
right? Though?
It's been horrible. I mean, I don't like being the
guy. There hasn't been The change,
but I just think that people are better about like thinking of
contingent. Who should be on the roster in
general like Ross, like there, there are.
Wait, although I would say, there's like not people having
four quarterbacks for no. But that's different than
multiple, the multiple quarterback injuries is probably
the most interesting. Wrinkle of Waiver Wires this
year where there are multiple teams holding multiple
quarterbacks, because of Lance Dak huge under performance by
Russell Wilson big under performance.
The first three, Weeks by Tom. Brady like a lot of teams who
thought they had their back. Don't have a quarterback
Lawrence that guy must have watched the Bills game because
pick it look pretty good in that game against a great defense.
See, I don't, I mean I don't think that it's that different
of a year. I think Jeff Wilson was got like
kind of on track to be this year's like come out of nowhere
guy, but people came around to him just in time and yeah, yeah.
So there's, you know, it all this stuff.
It's like James Robinson, we probably should have come around
to. We came around To like a week
and a half later than we did Jeff, Olson and made a huge
difference in terms of Fab. Here's the thing, you know, Ben
and would have been this guy in the main event.
Three years ago. Well, that's something like what
girl, who can't emerge right now.
Like, okay pierced wrong if he like other than like both.
So I actually think if, if so so let's say we're Madre were to
get injured this week then then you would see six hundred fifty
dollar b, a strong agreement but like what other positions are
Like what like I guess jury to see in.
See the other thing is is every team it just pisses yellow now
and holds eight wide receivers and wide receivers of the flex
that changes the complexity of it too.
Guys that I could see being massive way.
Forbids, it sounds like a bit Ronald Jones.
I could see Isaiah Spiller being a massive bid at some point.
I don't think it's gonna happen, man.
I think Spiller would need like two injuries though.
Probably three. Probably three.
We're seeing multiple injuries here.
I'm just getting. I'm just giving names of guys in
offenses. That would an Earnest Johnson if
he were to get traded. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, or just read rewrite chub-chub or hunt during his
Johnson is going for 400 bucks. Oh, I mean it's yours Johnson.
Had like a job. I would spend I would empty the
clip. I think that dudes.
Good. Yeah, but he's not gonna get.
It's just beautiful. Never trades anyone.
It's very boring. I know.
I feel like we're just looking
for somebody to empty the clip. Look, that's why we should have
emptied it on taysom because there's no one like we're doing
this exercise. Did y'all get tazed him?
And, you know, he went for 667. I mean the mic boom.
Stuff. All that stuff.
We had some big injuries. We had pretty normal waivers and
I don't know, I just feel like we're like we want to get into
the clip on but that doesn't happen a bit you tippity miles
Gaskin, which like, I could see that.
Yeah, I could see it either, Edmonds.
Dusted. And most are gets hurt.
Yeah, I could totally. That's actually a good one week,
maybe she's very most hurt. By the way, most her, most
surprised the way did not practice today.
Just if you're, if you're throwing your mouth, gasping, $1
bids on Friday out there. Where we rest in peace.
Yeah. Why don't you talk about this in
the group? Chats are our running backs.
Are too good. We don't have a drop.
On shift. Why do you think you're too
good? Have you looked at our running
backs? We that are always on by.
This is actually, this is actually the classic ship
chasing problem in which you have six running back, so you
can squint and see them being really good, but none of them
are good enough to score points. That weeks you actually need
Davis. We really likes quitting.
We, we call it, we call beer, but beer goggles, you throw the
beer goggles on our running backs.
Were like that's a fucking 10 right there.
You see these running backs, more beer, goggles running back,
then Richard white who like clearly is the best handcuff
running back in like the history with an asphalt and smashed it
so hard. I am so psyched about but under
no circumstances, can you start? And so it's just, it's
Or $667 on taysom Hill. I hate this question.
This is like, would you rather like sleep with your dad or with
your mom? Well, I pathetic.
Let me ask you guys a better question, then.
And the like, in most kind of leaves, I would say I'm like 700
plus Fab at what like and let's say, we're getting closer to the
tournament. Do you start?
Adding s defense has for like week 16 purposes.
Like, are you like, is that part of your equation at all?
What are you doing with that Fab that part of the season?
I guess? Yes.
What up like we're a couple weeks I think you should ever
burn Fab on meaningless bullshit.
So like while you can you know, maybe do look ahead ads at
defense, no one else really does that.
So if you want to do that you should still spend one dollar.
No, I'm talking about like you want a defense for week 16?
You're trying to win the million-dollar.
Liam, Liam, it's gonna make it. You could do that.
You can do that in like the last bid because no one your or maybe
a few weeks had like you're not competing with any, you're just
burning a roster spot for no reason to do that.
Because no one else does that. But you're not going to use all
the depth of your roster weeks 15, you should like, you
shouldn't handicap your roster for no reason.
Yeah, you need some low on guys if you're out of first I guess.
Yeah, it's just gonna be hard to imagine starting them.
And if they have the ceiling to catch you, I will say though to
your point Lee. And I think there is probably
more thorough in game thinking that should should be done as
far as roster prep and getting stuff ready in optimizing even
those little small things with kicker in defense brother, I got
obj on all these rosters. I hold it.
Now, that's a price. This is this is why this is like
owning teams with Liam is like on one hand, it's good.
And then on the other hand, he's talked about Odell in week 6.
So it's just me and you Know why?
I mean, you know why Liam has Odell me?
Seems he was at the Buffalo airport so we solihull gleams.
Like, dude, I gotta spend three months.
Hey, got, I want to know how drunk you are Liam.
Who would you rather stash trailing Burke's or Odell
Beckham? I mean, God damn it.
The pause is so concerning. I think it has to be like I have
a lot of perks and I'm not really sure whatever.
Let's say both are Odell's in the Rams, trailing barks is on
the Titans. It's week 16, both are fully
healthy. Who do you want there?
That's got to be able to tell, right?
No, no, no. If it's version of it.
Graded, pass blocking line. If I just fucking protect
staffer to save their lives. Yeah, clicking on Direction.
Yeah, well I think you Gretch know, times are a really shitty
passing for the Rams. It's not like it's not like oh
should we start deante Johnson yards in a touchdown?
Only you know, Springs linger. It derailed the turf toe, it's
not a high ankle sprain. All right?
I mean, I don't even think that might be better.
It took to write on it can linger as well.
Yeah, yeah. My concern is how long does it
take him to get back to healthy and then in this offense I kind
of feel like this is gonna want to be in a little bit of a
wasted year for him well but the ID I agree with hypotheticals
are both held the hypotheticals. They're both healthy.
Yeah yeah. Oh okay I guess I don't know.
I think I mean is it like the Burke's we've seen so far?
What is it? This works.
That we hope he is. You don't know me first.
A lot of us thought he was before.
He said, he led already not Rams, aligners disastrous, it
is. So I guess the reason I was
saying, I would side with Liam is just that idea of The Haves
and have-nots for, like, I just the Titans all pass offense in
December, like, they held down in Jerry, Brown for a long time
or less, Willis could be starting, you know, I don't
think that's going to happen personally.
But that would be the perks though, but that would be bad
for Burke's. I.
Yeah, that would be bad. Stafford can support receivers.
That's just what I was thinking. But anyway, Plenty.
They also did tear his ACL in February by the way.
So you know in terms of health stuff like look how look at God
one. God one is not back to full
strength and he tore his a whole six weeks before Odell did.
I think Odell is a dog to post a 20 Fantasy Point game in the
year of Our Lord 2022. I mean, again the hotel fully
healthy part of the hypothetical if you stop listening right now.
And what point are you guys considering starting to throw a
buck on DeShaun Watson on tour you've been trying to just
survive a quarter Back I've done, I've been talking about
Watson for two weeks, I just put II just got Watson in one where
we drafted Russell Wilson, who is like the worst Court.
I feel like it's kind of a sucker play.
Personally, I mean, you're wasting a roster spot for the
entire regular season and he's like Mains.
Well I mean and then went like so when do you start he's got
what is it 11:00 game suspension?
I don't think you're starting in week, 12.
I mean, I think you are if Russell Wilson is here, You
don't have to think about this. If Russell Wilson is your
alternative, I think the, it could be anything, even a
bouquet with the Sean Watson seems a lot better in those
scenarios, I guess. I think you're starting in the
first week is back. I feel like he can also just be
not very good though. Towards the end of this year.
I've been in Brown's offense is pretty pretty conduce that's
going on right now. Yeah, Brissette supersets doing.
All right, you got to assume he's in good shape you gotta
assume. There's also I absolutely hate
to go there with this because Watson fucking sucks and so do
the Browns but But there is going to be a little bit.
I mean, football guys. A little bit of that.
Fuck you like everyone's, you know, yadda yadda, were, you
know, us versus them type shit. Like they're gonna, this is
gonna be a little bit of running up the score and stuff.
I think, especially in this room already looks good and Joe, who
looks good and Joe? Cool looks good.
I don't think dpj should be a player that people are adding
more for Wen Hua. So, returns, this was something
else. I was looking that way.
Now its name from the by weeks, I think you end up tossing him
back, but I but I don't mind it if yeah, this is some muscles,
looking at Watson is It's a lot for you gets back.
He's at the Texans, the first game which I once talked about.
Let's indoors if you're willing to start them as very first game
back. I mean I guess I can make sense
seems like probably the right spot deserted because not the
Bangles in December, not like horrible necessarily but could
be not great weather. Then they're back home in
Cleveland for two more games in December.
You get the wind. Remember last year late last
year, the freaking Cleveland games had multiple games.
We couldn't even play the past so bad.
Yeah. Two home games against the
Ravens and Saints. Pretty good.
Defense has And then the championship week, you can pass
away, Ravens gets five weeks. The last unit Smith.
Also, just went off against the Saints.
I'm not buying this because I think the Wind part is legit,
but these, let's talk about in practice.
It's three outdoor games in a row in Ohio.
Yeah I actually I actually think he makes sense more for teams
who already have. Let's say a top seven or eight
quarterback because if you're rostering him as part of a
committee I think you need him as part of 3qb committee because
if you have to dust ball quarterbacks like we do is Zach
Wilson and pick it. You Be playing matchups with
those guys mostly and so then he needs to be your third q b and
then the opportunity cost starts to get higher or is if you have
like, Lamar Jackson and you want to toss him on as like you're
upside Hammer, I get it more but I don't know if you want to be
carrying High Kyler my music. I like, where your Kyler?
Yeah, well I don't know because it's like maybe you guys have
drafted a lot more stars than me but I got like, I'm just holding
some running backs. I could fall into situation, you
know, like and I guess you could just put off we're talking to
Dude, yeah, yeah, you know like yeah, I'm a murderer like well
saying is, if you're just holding the quarterback instead
of one of those darts, that could we need those ready back
darts though, the whole point was I don't have access to have
a lot of them because you don't know what's good.
The team, the team were I added Watson.
We have her Mantra and hecklers are running back so we're doing
less the lottery ticket stuff but our quarterbacks are Wilson
golf. And now we just dropped Philip
Lindsay, Jean Watson CC going to carry having him in our team
Davis and Got nothing else thinking with Watson is that you
don't do it on the on the Cuyler team.
You do it on the picket team, but with the idea that you're
going to like, start pick it and if pick, it's not doing it,
you're cutting picket and you're going to pick it up, Carson,
Wentz and you're just like, straight-up snow.
Liam. Liam want to get hit Liam W.
Picketed truck. Stop.
He's not worried about. Welcome Sam right now if the
bills didn't play this deal. His last week and you didn't
watch. Kenny Pickett grinding, his film
in a truck stop. You wouldn't give a shit about
him this week. Well, I don't think I'd know all
the context of what was happening there.
I mean, box for Watchers. They're like, can you pick it
through three picks against the Jets.
All of those were his wide receivers.
Hey, you're only watching because this was the fifth game,
you know, that's not really that important Pat, you know, like
we're trying to say back. See also, I heard a young
Congrats last week on on this very show say it could be good,
you know. Like so respecting each other,
we fight for the truck stop game as well.
They got the Leah my watch in the Welcome Center, Florida
approval against the Buffalo Bills defense, the best defense
in football. All which if we did an event, we
would have that on our team. So, you know, arrows up also,
I'm sorry. But when Daniel Jones is your
alternative. What are you missing out on 10
.1? L Robinson is causing the echo
on your audio because you're yelling right into the mic.
The point that it speaking, but yet, there's an echo, really
good? It's crazy that there's an echo,
he's in a cavernous room. Dollars in your fucking office
is the size of a small town of a quick.
A quick run-through shows that I just got pierced wrong and I
think every week. So go slow jazz rabbit.
We got it. I am not with the fabric stirs
problem. I got a boy.
I check my teams are Sean. Oh, sorry.
Your it's not like a feedback Echo.
You just sound Liam? The actual acoustic answer is
because you are speaking. There's no wall behind you,
right? Like if you rearrange to your
desk and had your computer so much, they my 49 inch monitors
quite the wall, but I just want to use with Shawn just now and
he did not get my message because we have are little Fab
left and lots of days of help. Wow, God, I guess so.
Yeah. You have you have real Alpha on
your end, you don't, you know by the way that that Sean it's good
because he's not doing it for Twitter Cloud because he doesn't
care about Twitter clout so that means those are really good.
Strong wouldn't Cloud doesn't pay the bills.
I'm not doing anything for quitters big for your sake.
Can you stop? That's like a directional play
to get some eyes on the YouTube that I'm half in half out on,
you know, what was the last time you did a YouTube video?
Liam Last week I did a breakdown, I think I nailed the
gate Davis week, I said, If he, if he is a four times a year, I
also said I'm either playing over monitor your debut here on
my lineups and applying grease. All, you know, now, what would
you say? Got you on Gabe.
Davis Lee, thanks for the bills. I also said the bills.
Artie. Team that does not mind running
up the score, especially early in the season.
They want to get their offense right.
You know like teams with these new pieces, the Chiefs Liam,
Liam keep spills this week, buddy.
The bill should be like, 10 point favorites.
Yeah, they actually should be have a very similar take.
I was surprised. I mean, I would never, it's not
playing bring backs against them in DFS, like the Chiefs are a
little bit different, but people forcing bring backs against the
bills, are missing the mark, although the Pickens Break bring
back at that cause last week was fine, that work, but that's only
because the bills knew they were paid.
Only because tittie pic, it's good and I saw they played me
and defense when usually they play zone.
They're like, all right this is a rookie we can do, literally,
whatever. And so let's let our rookie
Corner. Get stuck.
Yes Stephanie damn. How how bummed out how bummed
out? Are you going to be if that bill
is bad? Fumble.
This game though. Like I don't know how they lose
other than like 75 kickoff fumbles, you know?
Like well they are playing the greatest quarterback in the
history of this know Joseline is the best quarterback and people
need to get hip to that. Why is it has addressed yards
per attempt solo if he's the best?
So much better. That's the only move he's got
I'm going to give a take that the bills are going to get way
more money this week and it's a fish pet and the Chiefs are
going to win her home. Well, I mean, my homes in his
mom's in his career has yet found a brother.
Hope your 20 can take it, it's gonna be a good game like it's
not gonna be a blow. I see I actually had the
opposite. Take, I think that both of these
head, coaches know how, because this will be the winner of this
game will get the 1 seed, and they see like a huge percentage
of the time. And so both of these coaches, I
think are actually going to play pretty tight.
I don't think, I don't think that it's going to be like, you
know, let's throw 70 are bombs. The gave Davis Susan, I think
the chief could like I think the over-under maybe you take the
under, but the problem is the bills who score 40 by
themselves. And so then I like to build a
lot. I guess.
I'm a fish. I like to build a lot.
I think the the Chiefs, their inability to stretch the field
against a team that doesn't Blitz.
They drop all the Defenders back in coverage.
Like that seems like a real program to make them.
Yeah, they're going to make them kill them.
Filled with like Juju in Kelsey. Yeah and they are just going to
have Von Miller and you know Gregory so coming off the edge
and Von Miller is much better than what we saw the Ripper Roo
USS. Liam, if the Josh Allen bills
never win a Super Bowl. How would that impact you
emotionally as a person? Well, they already won me.
A million bucks. So, shoutout, Josh.
I literally I literally, I'm literally thinking Thank you
would maybe prefer them winning the Super Buu yourself.
Winning a million dollars you know II usually strictly in DFS
stack the bills. It's pretty good tactic goddamn
it. You guys should follow those
guys gonna win. Another
report goes Limited practice did not practice limited tract.
It's like, I should not even doing that, but once he was full
practices, he's back. Who's your bills?
Bring back this week, like for The Who Am I bring you back on
the cheap side? Oh, yeah, yeah.
No, you're not. I'm bringing you back McKinnon
because I think they're going to be down and they're gonna need,
I like that. Once that way.
And I mean, I think giving up, I think you're giving up way too
many projected points of running back this week, that says,
amazing fucking tournaments. You guys are making my case for
me, which is that every week we say that Vegas is an efficient
market, and we should really have a sharp eye on the spots
where everyone thinks and I thought it right away.
Looking at it, like maybe the bill should be higher, but like
when everyone will, this is graduate.
Those are also getting pieces back.
They're getting a lot of pain fact that they know
you're saying that's going to happen.
How were the bills? Only two and a half Point
favorites. They should be 10 point
favorites. Yeah, but it's not over the key
number like you're not getting three with Casey, you basically
need them to win. Like if it goes to three maybe I
think there's a lot of people to eat buffalo that are like
Patrick Mahomes home dog. I don't think so.
Like, I don't think we're tapped into this public that's good.
Just add just at me. Liam, you know, like the Pat
McAfee people watching them been like if he's gonna come out and
be like, Patrick bulbs at home, that's his right.
I've already heard this multiple times this week.
People love this. Narrative Mahomes, I'll start
first time ever. I mean, if I didn't offer you a
blind wager for the rest of your life, you get you get a five
unit that every time, Patrick Mahomes is a home Underdog until
he retires, you end up how much a head on that?
Where we at on is the chief defense?
Good? Because I thought to start the
Seas, they're not there. They're we're not no, we're not
looking. There are no good and they've
been no good. They want a Super Bowl with the
terrible defense. It doesn't matter.
Well, but no buts. At the end of last season, they
were very bad. Like it, that's different than.
Well, here's the thing, this defensive coordinator that they
have very inside football here, Steve spagnolo, he's just
insanely aggressive which really pays off the three times a year
pays off. And then when you're sending 0,
blitzes with both of your diamond Corners, rushing, the
quarterback and Josh Alan reads that, I mean, your dusted,
right? So I want to be clear too
because don't have that common. I should make it official, I'm
not going. To be taking the cheese.
I'm not advocating bet the cheese.
I wanted to bet the pills, but that was like, I'm not, I'm just
going to stay away from this game.
Well, the bill should be minus 10.
So, minus two and a half, good value.
Do you guys feel the line move from one and a half to two and a
half? It's a moderately, big deal.
Yeah. Now that's not that's not a
cross. Like a major Point.
Yeah, I would say if it gets to Bill's -3, I'm sorry.
I was trying to Poopoo. I don't know if I thought that
was saying it was a big deal because because I guess that if
an open it my point is a bit open at one and a half because
you're saying we should be sighting with Vegas, I guess I'm
saying like I feel like you still kind of are getting it.
Okay, line relative to what Vegas thought it was worth now,
like you're not having to cross a key number.
If it goes to 3 then I would agree.
At the take that you're now, it's kind of a sucker bet at
3:00 it opened at one-and-a-half.
You're siding with the public to bet you know Liam artists and
take the bills, a two-and-a-half-year still iced.
I don't think it's bad to take your pills at two-and-a-half.
It's not bad yet, it might get that, I teased it up to Bill's,
-10 got great value, got nothing.
Do you have any of your million dollars left?
I live in Florida. I'm not allowed to sports bet,
okay? But isn't isn't that very
flawed, though? Like that doesn't account for
all books. Like and is that like if you
like those I feel like that number that gets reported as
always poor lawd. Yeah, I thought it was gonna be
like a in sports books. Don't have any incentive to be
honest. Like they can just send out a
lot. Why Liam question for you, are
you ripping? Are you ripping battle royales
and stuff? Are you in the weekly Underdog
streets? I've had a weird start to the
NFL season where I've had like three weddings and to birthday.
So like I just haven't had a lot of time that I usually would, so
I have not been grinding those as much.
I was on the badge Pros last week, that was a ton of fun.
I want to do that more, especially if I keep getting
killed in DFS but It's fine. I got you to shout outs.
One. Obviously, stat chasing here,
Sam and Connor have been doing a great job with that, that
releases for YouTube members every Tuesday night, and then
available to everyone else on Wednesdays.
And they go through the league from an analytic perspective and
then kind of funnel it through the lens of battle royales.
The resurrection, which is about to close.
And then, of course what? Liam just mentioned to the
badge. Bros, they got their YouTube
channel doing awesome stuff over there Nez in the chat tonight.
One of the badge Bros John Warner.
Our new me who gets bumped for the overlays.
They got a good crew over there. So yeah, if you're looking for
content on the weekly contest, highly, highly recommend the
badge Bros. Yeah.
I'm trying to do like Thursday, I think Liam, why don't you just
buy? Like the most expensive, Josh
Allen Rainmaker that feels like literally right up, bro.
I've been in the, I've been in these Rainmaker streets.
In only in the elite tier that is an up and down like a red
rag. Not it.
Not if you have Josh out and gave Davis, well, the First off,
there's no money in The Rainmaker tears in the, that's a
whole other discussion. This whole rainmakers thing.
But I'm in the elite tier where you can actually win, I'm a
large Field gpp Guide like a 20-man field pay 20,000 out
battling. Brandon Adams for crypto Punk's
is what you're saying? No, I'm not trying to battle.
Some is and Brandon Adams, and I don't know.
That guy came off. Unlikable.
Jason, Robert, or whoever whoever's the got back kalish,
the guy who's like, he's just like changing his story.
Every fucking week like he's panders the one crowd if he's
speaking to them and panders to another crowd, they can't get
best ball. Fucking life scoring on DK.
They got that but they got rainmakers up and running like
what the fuck's he just dropped, like seven names to Growing Up.
Well, I've been watching. They might poke you.
Fuck you. Fuck you.
Did you say I actually play poker?
Well, be okay, because I'm sorry, but like you're hearing
it got picked up by some crowds they're like, yeah.
Oh I'm going to stop you from getting cancelled and explain it
in a way that is, uh, non-cancelable.
So if you were unaware and I don't make any money in public.
Don't, don't do you can't cancel me?
Just let me explain. Liam is correct.
That this specific Poker Story did get picked up by a lot of
like blue check liberal New York Times style writers who
basically interpreted the story as this woman.
Want a hand of Poker, she was not supposed to win and their
interpretation of it was very like Gelman Amnesia sense that
they have no expertise in this area.
But they just assumed because of the ingrained sexism that exists
and like everything in the world that people were just mad that
this was a woman. Then all these poker players
explain like actually X y&z cheating to pretty big deal in
poker. This is Situation where it could
have happened and it makes no sense for her to play the hand
this way because of X, Y and Z. And they're like mock, she
didn't cheat. And then, I mean, obviously
they're there is like, literally hundreds and hundreds of hours
of content about this. This is where I'm at.
Liam, I'm about 60% and 40% not cheated.
Is my is my because here's the, my, my biggest takeaway is that
it was just be such a bizarre spot to cheat.
They are dumb. They are don't think they know
they are like them enough that they think they know because if
there's too many people there's too many people involved.
You know we have a lot of people watching.
If you guys want this I'll fucking indulge it.
I actually find it interesting, I have no clue if I've got.
No, I think it's interesting. What's so brilliant?
Is he refuses to come off as a he has a slide and anyone who's
accused of cheating and to such a degree would know it's
obvious. You shut the fuck up and you
don't go on a bunch of YouTube channels and whatnot and so but
this this lady Robbie, jay blue is taking the opposite idea.
She clearly she has an eye for fame and she's coming on the
Pod. She's she's attacking people.
She's changing her story left and right.
Everything is dropped at the chat likes this.
So you have Nick for Tucci who please don't show me.
This is all allegedly but allegedly ran.
Some like kind of like Trump University type scams where he's
like robbing people of like real estate type things and is now
running this live stream game and you have Robbie, who cheated
this guy Garrett, who was the worst Survivor player ever?
Out of a hundred thirty thousand dollars.
And then you have this guy that came out and got caught
stealing, fifteen thousand dollars from her chip stack
during the livestream, which they found while surveying the
security footage to see if anything crazy happen that he
was working there. And he took money off her stack
from the table, why would he be so she?
Well, let's talk about on but yet so she's cheating live on a
poker stream. Hmm.
And this guy from what I've wanted, Watched on this is kind
of not just in on this, but like the guy feeding her, the
information, the inside guy so he takes the this opportunity to
steal money from her on camera. Yeah.
He's as a commit, a crime on camera while they're engaged in
a separate drawing together to cheat on also on camera.
I just, I guess like that part of it is like the little pad, do
not remove the logic, let people keep on trying to apply their
own personal. Magic.
Like, why did we see these spots from her?
Well, is he a general? He's like a true degenerate.
I think they're I think there's a logical explanation though.
She was giving she gave the money back to Garrett and if he
was in on the cut and he was worried about getting his full
cut, he might be like, I'm gonna go fucking grab my cut, right
off the table. Know what I'm saying?
He's a dude, I'm giving the money back to Garrett.
Yes. Or he stole the money and he let
out a scream in the backstage. Like Like a
guy that's different than the guy who took the money.
Who was a cop You should not be hired by the way plays, on some
streams for money and I got set this spreadsheet.
That is like, his result by seat.
Yes. So he this guy will get to this
character. We're not, we're not a zoo.
This is the seat to verse other is the, the total breakdown.
Oh, come on Zoom. Come on.
So this is talking about see to write and that was Robbie was it
will seat to. And for those who don't know,
seat to is an easier see to cheat from for For several
reasons. Whatever reason.
Yeah, I mean who cares? The reason is there's obviously
something going on to seek to or that that spreadsheet makes it
seem as if there is. And I mean like this Nick for
Tucci character on with seek to like you have people asking
innocent questions like you know hey like and he's like attacking
them like so defensive which like I guess that could be an
emotional response you have. It, I mean what do you what do
you make to her? Because again, like juxtaposed
against the Mike possible stuff where he kept a really low
profile lawyer dup, you know, went under the radar Robbie's,
like fucking getting blasted and going on engrams podcast.
Like this is very bizarre behavior.
This is not a joke where she said things like, I mean she's
clearly angling for fame, but she said things like, maybe I'll
drop a sex tape. Maybe I'll start like like, so I
don't know. Is it only fans money?
I don't fucking know why. She's doing this.
I think she is insane. And she had clearly like feeds
off attention and she has it all wrapped.
You think they're legit rich, like her husband, the better
verse lawyer, or you think they're fake rich.
I think she's definitely fake rich.
Like I think he maybe is Rich. But yeah, no, I mean, you don't
get staked 150k because your got rich, by the way, how rich do
you have to be to just take someone 100k?
Like proper bankroll management. What is that?
Like, are you worth 200 million dollars?
Are you like, what is the number to do that?
Where you have this other cowboy hat?
Character guy who staked her? Who apparently, they're having
extramarital Affairs, which is kind of important because are
you saying they're married to other people or they're just,
they're married to other people. All right, well then that but
then he's staking her the game and like, Like they're like
signaling each other during the game.
It's like, how many crazy things have to be explained.
Until you're just like, I've met people like this in my life.
I know a pathological, liar, and Shady people, when this happens,
like, this is insane. Like, I legitimately don't
understand that. You had some smart people.
Come on, Joe, and guns pod. Who's like, it would be really
hard to cheat in chess and poker and it's like, okay, first off,
you're not chess player because it would be so easy to cheat.
Over the board chest, it would be a simple as sticky to buzzer
in your shoe in your purse or wherever whatever hole on your
body and just literally buzzing when there's in a move to find
and the person cheating and chest because obviously they're
a little connected here. It like they're good enough.
A chest that if they were signaled that there is a move to
find. They could find it where like
but they might not know to look for that move.
Unless they were told and so it would be so easy to do that like
incredibly easy security. A chess tournament is so fucking
lacks you know like this is like there is none at all and it's
like a lock that the the chest guy cheated right?
Like he's completely well that it's unquestionable he cheated
on line and then this thing came out that chest cam.
My former employer. I do not have any Knowledge.
I do not have any talking to anyone, but they have a business
relationship with Magnus, right? Yes, they do.
So, this is complicated where I mean in one hand, maybe Garrett
and Magnus threw a hissy fit essentially, and like freaked
out and lost the brains. And the other hand, maybe they
know cheating is happening and they're running.
The Gambit of just like, let's blow it up.
Let's get some ice here. You can't prove.
Someone got buzzed once or twice a game.
No cheap detection is going to catch that over the board.
It's not as eat like when someone cheats online it's
really easy. It's like where does their Mouse
click like how do they play you know.
Like it's just much easier to cheat to catch a cheater online
then over the board exam can I can I ask about the promising
because I don't play poker. I understand like how to play
Texas Holdem but I did not know what was the quads and you what
did you how did you misplace your quads?
I remember. Did you get like I got could.
Yeah, I fucked it up. Somehow.
I didn't, I didn't, I don't get like a beast without of value.
You could out of your hair. Exactly.
To get people thinking about the river with quads as opposed to
raising. Oh, and they will be a penalty
for that too. Well, it was penalty worthy.
I don't. Again, I don't know how to play
poker in terms of the like the BET sizing when to praise when
to call any of that shit. But from what I understand, so
what she does, right? She is like going into she's
going further into this. And we're, she's a dog based on
what they're showing on the site or, you know, on the, on the
stream there showing, like, he is a 54 percent chance, or
whatever to win this hand, and she's making a stand on this
hand. No.
But if you're in her shoes to explain, you would think you're
never ever, ever, ever 1% chance.
If you think, because you're going to get more information on
the following car, do you just like Jack hot?
That's what's on the table is 10 93 which does she know his hand
for shell? No, you don't know that.
So how do to make the place you would have?
Thought he was bluffing but there was other ways he could
have bluffing this. But here's the thing is, if you
think that he's bluffing, every single Bluff is better than the
hands right now. So that's what I was saying when
so you would even with the hand that he did have she was a dog,
you would have, he had a little stars, exactly, and you would
have to exactly know that was his hand.
And so yeah, you basically had to have him on a straight and
87, the clubs. Then why did she play it?
Well because so there's two think there's two ways to cheat.
Either one, she's getting Buzz your head or maybe she's being
told you're ahead and then signaled.
But fold like if the guy cheating only knows the graphics
of the cards in another sense, maybe they know the Run apps,
maybe they know the future cards.
And so that, that seems so much harder that seems really hard.
But there's ways to do that, there's ways to do Do that with
saw that a lot but how what would the ways Pizza do that?
How would you know the depth there?
Like I mean it really depends what system the running you
could have Tak that basically has the ability to like see
through the cards and shit like that or you could what like when
it's in the automatic shuffler. There's like things that's going
to tell you future-oriented here.
There was an automatic shuffler installed, like two months
before and then there's a lot of reasons.
Hit that have like a hammer or some shit in there.
I can just make it makes a ton of sense that she was told you
have the best hand, but not smart enough to know.
It's such an absurd spot that if you want to keep this use going.
You fucking full like fool. You fool Jack.
I, yeah, and it goes, It goes back to this thing.
People talked about with possible, I think are all about
mentioned it on one of the increments, it makes it scary of
knowing. If there were less stupid
cheaters how long this shit could go on where you just win
at a 55 percent clip is 60 percent clip and you don't
fucking Blow it in the most obvious spots like this or you
just Target an actual poker player who's a little down on
their luck and like willing to do shady shit.
Like don't Target a pure person like Robbie to pull the scam who
comes off as like crazy fun player.
Just choose someone that you would never ever suspect.
When something unusual happy, you just be like, oh wow, you
know, like like I agree there could be a lot of cheating in a
lot of different ways in poker. That people don't think we ever
get clarity or does this go like the?
Well, I mean like, uh, like a lot to me.
Did it? Make like a lot of people like,
oh, well, how come no one came for because there's like, two
billionaires are at least. One, billionaire, Bill Perkins.
And I don't know how rich her op harib office is Professor Harry
Potter. Yeah.
But anyways, he they both put up 100 K and people are like, oh
well they didn't claim the bounty on, hello?
If people are indicted this cheating thing, those people
have a lot more than 250 K and probably are risking their lives
to like come out and out some of these nefarious characters if
something like that is happening, you know, like people
you don't want to fuck around with is my guest I don't know.
It's crazy man. I've been enjoying the Joe
Ingram streams and I guess it's just like crazy drama but it to
me, it was clear from the beginning.
There was cheating and I was shocked that people were like oh
Bayesian probability like Bayesian logic.
Is it more? And then they've totally flipped
that to be like. Well actually now it's more
likely that she is cheating because every thing she explains
wait is that Bayesian updating your priority.
Information. Well, in the beginning, it was
like, okay is it most likely that she just got is a fun magic
changing your mind using logic because what I'm saying?
It's wild. I'm like, happy for the pope
because for poker Community to where they're like they've lost
this era of having the characters, the Antonio
esfandiari and the Unabomber and fucking Doyle Brunson like
they're in this era where they're like, it's all GTO
solver bot type stuff. So this is there Super Bowl like
these scandals. Like Mike, like Joey, he grew up
with underneath the radar for like, a year and a half, and
then it's just like, all right, we're going to rip content.
Like I'm happy that those Those guys have some.
Yeah, like negreanu one. The High Roller bowl and no one
cares. No one cares, dude.
Yeah. Good.
Good for you, you know, it's handled.
Oh, yeah. We have to mention that she
handed the money back after. Yeah.
When they like Wendy's balancing, her range as a
cheater do this, there's two stories to that Garrett said
that they went back and had a discussion.
And I mean, I don't know. I doubt that gear is worth 200
million dollars where you can just drop a million dollars on
the table. Every night in play, I bet he is
staked by some cash rich. People who you won't want to
fuck around with, and maybe he said something like, yeah, I
don't think my backers would take kindly to this hand and she
was like, oh shit, you're backed by them, here's this.
Well, here's this, here's this money, you know?
Like, I don't know, I'm just trying to think through like
what would go through someone's head to be to do that or maybe
she just thought that it would go.
Like I it just seems far-fetched to me that she would be like, oh
this will just go. Away if I just give this money
back like no big deal. Here's 135.
Yeah, that's actually being used as some of the evidence that you
did cheat, it's like if she didn't cheat you wouldn't give
the money back. Of course, like she felt guilty
or I don't know. I think I just wanted it to
stop. I don't think she's stupid to be
clear, but a lot of people I think she's a manipulator like,
which the way that Garrett described her giving the money
back was like, he was making, he was telling her that as I keep
put some explanations on Twitter, he but like he was
telling her how bad this looks and how bad it's going to look a
lot of eyeballs. Started like getting really
nervous and then offered to give the money back.
Well, if you do this, like just a basic logic tree, we know for
a fact she wants to be in the Limelight she's voluntarily
going on. A lot of shows, we know she
wants to be famous. We also know that she likes
Poker. We also know that her rise to
playing in this game was meteoric.
I mean, she went from playing hundred-dollar tournaments to
playing in the highest biggest cash game in the world.
And so you wonder if she wants to be famous, she knows playing
and she likes Poker. Well, Playing in that game is
good way to get there. How can she get there if she
doesn't have the bankroll? Well, people who have an
incentive to stay Q or have a scheme that would justify
putting you in that game. Like, unless she has an infinite
bankroll, that's why I go back to the thing issues, Rich,
because if she's fake Rich, then it's all off the table.
There's no way she's getting in this game.
She's like, wretched. Her jewelry on the like, she
doesn't own any of those, like the Rings and stuff.
She was wearing. You know, I don't know what's
the type of what kind of Scandal can we get in fantasy football
can do this like, well, fuck it. You had him on your show like
that. Like and that's like just assume
that that shit. The Ethan Wanted 2015 was that
was this? I would say, it's similar where
everything had changed their security.
They started doing geolocation. He was like school workarounds
to play when they live. What are you saying?
How do we how do we know that employees?
Don't know the ownership in a contest moments before or you
know, how do we know that? And like I think a lot of good
questions have been brought up about streaming Security in
poker, you know, like I don't think it's impossible for us to
have it because the scandals with DFS happen, behind the
scenes at a computer, not being recorded.
Yeah, we can get data. Yeah, we could connect dots like
Ethan gay like Bachelor gate, but we're never going to have
something on camera where Joe Ingram can go stream for 10
hours of Pruder filming in rewinding back.
These actions and having a body language expert, do it?
I think we're on the show that would do the investigation.
Y'all take shifts. I'll take the midnight to 6:00
a.m. shift. No but it is like I just think
DFS is such a different and it's also why it's so hard.
I mean DraftKings tried to do there.
Let's go series. They're trying to turn
characters out of these players. It's so fucking hard to make DFS
interesting to ignore me. It's so hard.
Well, I mean, there's definitely nefarious shit.
Happening a DFS, like three-man collusion and whatever, you
know, like, that's unquestionable.
But I guess I don't feel with the same as rigging, a poker
game to steal from me, you know, I'm just talking more about Mass
Market, appeal, like there's movies like rounders and
Maverick and all the old 70 Paul Newman would like with DFS.
There's Way to make that digestible, like, I'm proposed.
What about red? What kind of cheating could take
place? I could take place.
Yeah. Well, let's get Mike loving on.
We can get the Chipotle Brothers.
I'm sure they might have some ideas for us.
Are you trying to figure out how to cheat?
Is that what you're doing? No, I, I was a teacher brother,
I'm anti-cheat. All right.
Okay. I'll just, you know, well, I
think to myself, I think the thing would probably be in.
I mean, I've talked with this with Brian On lulz is there's
definitely ways to cheat and DFS, but the edge that you're
gaining is far less pronounced than like the edges you're
getting from shooting a book where it's, like, fucking
binary. I know what you have, you could
know what everyone else has in DFS.
I could. If you told me the exact
exposures for the Mille maker, that would be a huge Edge and it
would still take me like 100 years to realize my head.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I guess like in the FPC
I think it would be caught though if like, word a league
and run a bunch of these together and I'm like, Drop
Stefon Diggs. Like I think that would be
noticeable and caught, right? Like I just don't, I don't see
it. Also would be tough to.
It would be so obvious. And then like the following
week, all it would do is everyone would bid, literally,
every dollar they had. Yeah.
And so then your might not even get him.
Yeah. If your body needed to get them,
they would have to make sure They have the most money at the
time that you drop em and then they did everything they have to
get him and then what you have stuff on dick like that doesn't
even guarantee you any wins, doesn't?
Yeah. It seems like a high-risk a
obvious. It's like, oh, you guys are
buddies. He drop step on day that, you
know, that be caught instantly. I mean, I definitely have
worries in the heist deck high-stakes DK.
Best ball streets that people are colluding.
But you know, like, I will, that I think, is a legitimate.
Jit worry. In those where they have zero
vetting process, they have zero quality control.
They have no have has DraftKings thrown out a single best ball.
Thanks and there's definitely shit like that.
There's definitely like that. Well, I mean, cause I could tell
you guys, I've been in these streets for three years and and
maybe people are just so rich that they don't care, which
that's like so possible. But every year, you have people
just enter like a lot of lineups on auto and also the rankings
are weird where Maybe this person is so confident, they're
right, or maybe whatever, but I've been like and I don't
really see how it benefits. Any one person you're colluding
with because I'm in that draft. I'm not closing with you and I'm
trying to beat you but like, I don't know why someone would do
that. It could, it could help because
you could do things like make a bad team, which helps me.
But also fuck over other teams strategically throughout the
Raft. You know, you realize it's all
these guys. Auto-tune?
That your team's? Yeah.
And you said, you could get
home. You're an agent of chaos.
You're not actually like benefit.
Well, if you could guarantee the winner came from your pool, your
drafts of 12 every time, then. And like, you don't know if it's
going to be your partner, but I don't think it's something to
worry about, because it's so it's so hard to do and best of
all infinite, but like your control, when these guys are
changing, their don't know who's going to be healthy.
You don't like there's so much eat it.
Easier to go online and poker and be like, hey, bro, what's
your cards or something? You know, well, what they're
doing is more like the analogy if they know what the cards are.
It would be like, you literally paid off all of the bills and
all of the Chiefs and the coaches on how to do the play
calls. During that gave it get like
that's what the equivalent of it is.
Have having your hand in determining like the outcome and
I want to be clear. I'm talking about the 555 dollar
best ball drafts, which is like a 2K field, not the five-dollar
decays. For anyone in the comments like
no one is no one could conclude million know.
I think people are doing some shit in there.
It's like a grab some there. You're like, what the fuck is
going on? You've drafted three
quarterbacks and five rounds or something.
Yeah, I guess. It's just like, it's so
far-fetched that anything you do, even works like.
And that's why I love that Underdog does what it does where
it shuts down teams for collusion or concerns or
whatever, you know. Yeah, yeah, Underdog does police
and we should demand that as consumers, like it's outrageous.
We don't get that from detail. The poker college first, we're
making a list, think we're not, we're not two hours it and just
like airing our grievances like this.
This is this is what happens when you go down a conspiracy
rally of ADHD threats you know, like it was bound that I brought
up this thing I can plug into. Should we land the plane?
I'm excited. All right Liam thank you for for
hopping hopping. As a pleasure, as always, good
luck in your battle to start. Kenny picket with Davis.
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So I could I could wear that honey.
I'm gonna just gotta. Yeah, but it's like why are you
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