Today on Ship chasing, we are peering into our crystal balls.
We want to see what does the BBM 7 shipper look like, What are
going to be the structural draft strategy players, The timing of
the winning lineups for 2026 Best ball?
The four of us all filled out a survey before the show.
We haven't looked at each other's responses.
We'll talk through it and who knows, maybe a little alpha will
be leaked along the way on Pete with Jacob and Davis and Pat.
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It looks like we're. Finally, at this point, you're
right. All right, J Davis will be here
in a second. We got you guys fresh off of an
ADP chasing show last night. Pat Jacob, how we doing?
Doing good, Jacob, you're muted. I'm doing good.
Where, where are you
broadcasting from? Is this?
This isn't your your office. This is the peg.
So I'm doing my, my mother and I
are, are hiking Machu Picchu in we, we leave in 10 days.
So I came back a little early. See the friends and family back
in Manitoba. So this, this is my this is my
alternate podcasting spot here with my father's albums on the
wall rather than my albums on the wall.
So you can, you can. See, the apple doesn't and two
were squirts. How are squirrels?
Yeah, I actually. The squirrel is living in my
apartment right now as I'm here. Did I see a a tweet from Sherman
the other day? Is there like a prospector, a
player named Squirrel? Did I?
Yeah, so squirrel, Squirrel White was actually a Vols wide
receiver, so VFL. And then he kind of fell off a
little bit the last couple of years.
He got picked up as a UDFA by the Bears and he retired.
So Sherman did like one of the classic Sherman tweets where he
was like, you idiots told me Squirrel White was going to be
the wide receiver one for the Bears.
Like, guess you're paying the rake.
Yes, did did Brew McCoy? Is he still at school?
No, I think he did. Six years came out last year.
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think he's still
learning. I probably seem to learn.
All right. So yeah, like I said today we
filled out a survey here, you know, we're kind of in this
limbo period before the schedule is released tomorrow night.
Future shows, I'm sure we will be getting all into the the week
17 is all that matters discussion, mnemonics, all of
that good stuff. But I asked each of you a few
questions about how you thought BBM 7 and just best ball in
general could go down this year. I guess at before I pull up some
of these responses, this wasn't one of the questions, but do you
guys have any guess is on what's going to be the main talking
point this summer? You know, we've evolved over the
years, whether it was, I feel like last year the conversation
was like Sims. We've had combinatorial
ownership, we've had week 17 discussions.
What do you guys think will be the meta conversation?
I, I think it's already here. I, I think it's, it's every
person I talk to, it's the same thing.
It's running back pricing every every show, every person,
everyone's got kind of their own take and that to to the point
that there's even a pushback to the pushback, which is dude,
what if this is the year all the old running backs go to 0?
Dude, it's 0 running back here. Draft tank Bigsby bro, like it
it. I I think that is clearly the
conference because I would even say you guys, the two of you
guys and Gretch and Bime for on the legendary stream like single
handedly sent the slappies down the primrose path with the wide
receiver stuff. And, and and I would say we're
that that is a an impetus that is dead inside the slappy right
now. But you know what is dead may
never die. I think that's probably the
biggest structural like best ball specific take is going to
be the running back prices. And there's like kind of the
micro arguments between that that we've laid out of like some
people like running backs are back.
And you know, I think Pat and I have said a lot on these shows
like yeah, they are, but it's different kind of running backs
that are back. And I think the the less like
best ball specific. But I think a huge talking point
over the course of the summer and especially when we get to
pre season snaps is everybody's going to be talking about the 12
personnel and the 13 personnel at all.
And how does that impact the tight ends, which become more or
less valuable because of that, and the wide receivers, which
become more or less valuable because of that?
Because who are the wide receivers that get to be the one
wide receiver running routes, you know, in a bunch of 13 and
12 personnel sets and gets hyper targeted?
And who are the wide receivers who come off the field because
their team wants to do a bunch of 12 and 13 personnel?
And I think that the, the, it really adds a layer of variance
to these profiles where if you can get the guys who are now
running routes against much weaker target competition, they
become stronger. But if you chase those offenses
and you pick the wrong wide receiver, then all of a sudden
you, you have a 61% right rate. I could see a lot of talk about
that, especially when we get into the Yankee season of it
all. Well, Pat, is it bullish that
for years of talking more advanced strategy obviously Sims
all of these kind of extra levels of game theory that we're
back to just talking more literal things about about
basketball? Yeah, maybe.
I mean, I think we kind of always are gonna probably have
like, you know, the type of structural conversations
regardless of, you know, tools and and all and all of that.
I mean, in some ways, like we're talking about the running back
stuff because The Sims say to take running backs early and
that's enough for me to take more running backs early.
And as Jacobs talked about, it's, it's partly because of the
type of running backs that are going early that we're paying
for upside. You know, when young players in
the in the fifth round, not, you know, like the, the pure kind of
touch guys actually go round or two or three rounds later than
those, you know, upside profiles.
I think that's I think that what you guys said are like the
running back conversation is definitely going to be big.
And I've and I've heard so much about the 12 and 13 personnel.
And then the late round tight end is also, I think, you know,
three and four tight end builds are going to be something that
people talk about in part because the rookie class isn't
that strong a running back. And so you can kind of tackle on
those extra tight ends, especially if you're taking more
of a hyper fragile approach. You actually have like an extra
roster spot. So I think the tight end thing
will definitely be a talking point.
I wonder, I've heard some people talking about like how bad the
rookie class is and that may be like pushing us to a more
correlated builds and like trying to pull other levers for
like week 17 upside and stuff like that.
I, I'm, I'm kind of curious if that takes hold 'cause I
actually don't think that's right.
I think the rookie wide receiver class is like, fine, you know,
it's not amazing. It's good enough.
And I. Agree.
I I don't think that we need to be thinking that way to be
honest, but I'll be kind of curious if that ends up being a
talking point too. I I agree but that it it almost
like because the running back class is so weak it makes that
early running back conversation even tougher because like you
said the rookie wide receiver, there's actually a lot of
options late so you want to save wide receiver spots early.
So even if you get 4 wide receivers up top that you
absolutely love, now you are just fighting upstream with
where the value pockets of the draft are.
Right, right. Yeah, All right, let's see, I
got my I got some slides ready here.
Like I said, we we all filled out a little survey here, some
fun questions. The first one is when we think
the winning best Ball Mania team will be drafted.
Let me see if I can get this a little bigger here.
But Pat was the one person who went early May 31st.
Jacob Davis and myself all said August.
I said the 10th because that's my wedding anniversary and I
knew I wouldn't forget it, Davis said.
I said I said the 13th because it's my wedding anniversary and
I knew I wouldn't forget it. And Jacob, did the 7th teddy get
her? No, it's not my wedding
anniversary. Wait, whose wedding anniversary
is August 10th? That's Pete's.
Yeah. That's my parents wedding
anniversary. Really, it's a great, it's a
great time to get married. Crazy Anyway, I I picked the
17th because it's the Monday after the first week of pre
season. And so I think there's going to
be a lot of information revealed regarding the 12 and 13
personnel stuff and who's playing.
And someone is going to get great prices on on the players
that are are climbing after the first week of pre season.
So they're going to draft it on that Monday before the new price
is settling. There you go.
I said the 31st because it's the day before AJ Brown's getting
traded to the Patriots. Oh nice, nice.
I like that two of us put some real thought into this, that two
people just said their wedding anniversaries.
Well, I think the thought put into it is this year more than
ever, it feels like the early drafting advantage, the CLV
chasing, the juggernaut building.
It's just, I mean, what? What team, what CLV player are
you guys scared of as an August drafter right now?
Jonathan Brooks. OK.
Sorry, sorry, did you say which one I'm scared of or which one
like I want? No, I'm, I'm basically saying
I'm not scared. We're not going to be scared of
or early. Oh, like, who would I be?
Who would I be scared of if I'm not taking someone now and then
they're way more expensive later?
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I mean Brooks, but I'm
taking a ton of Brooks, so I'm not scared of him.
I'm rooting for that. Well, yeah, I'm starting to take
more Brooks too, so. I would say like, yeah, it's
hard. It's hard to say, right?
I mean, I feel like most of the big CLV wins are like whoever
drafted some of these incumbent dusty running backs, like the
very first day it opened. But like, I'm not that afraid of
someone who got 2 rounds cheaper.
Tony Pollard. Like, Congrats.
You know, some of some of the wide receivers that we've all
been loving have moved up like Reed Godwin Downs.
But like, yeah, I don't think that there's like, yeah, I'm
trying to think of like, I don't know, maybe like if, if any of
these rookie running backs, like maybe Katron Allen, like they
just decide like he's going to be the starting running back and
it's basically the JCM thing, two point O, but it actually
works this time. And and he's like a ninth round
pick, but I'm not sure. But even then, I feel like in
previous years there were some of those things where it wasn't
just one player, but an early drafter might have three to
four, like 40 picks, 50 picks of ADP windfall on a player and
you're like shit man. They were able to build
essentially a super team that had two to three extra picks
compared to me as far as value. I just don't know if we're going
to look back on some of those rosters and be like, oh fuck,
how did they get this? How is this team so good?
Because you're always going to have the landmine effect.
It's also going to have some things that bust or don't go
their way because of new information.
But man, it just, if you want to wait to draft this year, I don't
think you're going to get punished.
Yeah, I think that's probably true.
Generally I, I don't think there's going to be like huge,
you know, just like 50 picks here, 40 picks there.
But I do think you could kind of stack a bunch of wins together.
Like, you know, seriously, like if A.J.
Brown does get traded to the Patriots and ends up being kind
of a more of a mid second round pick, you get him in the third.
You know, you get Brock Bowers at the end of the second and he
might, you know, he could potentially move up there could
be additional steam there. Just his, how well he's going to
project, I think. And then you, you kind of get
like a Brooks moves up 3 rounds, right?
And then you get, you know, maybe, maybe you pick the right
Washington back and there's steam on that guy.
You know, JCM ends up being an eighth round pick or something.
So I think it would be more like that.
You got you got an extra 8th, you get an extra seventh round
pick with a couple double digit round picks, something like
that. You could always have the big
preseason injury, right like we we have.
That's true as well. One of the.
Biggest CLV ones I can recall was the Cam Akers Achilles out
of nowhere, right? And I mean, it would have been
impossible to predict Darrell Henderson becoming a fourth
round pick, but happened. It wasn't very good anyway.
So he did draft him. Really.
You didn't get all that much for him, but yeah, something.
Like that. So, Pat, how many teams are you
going to draft on May 31st here to really call your shot?
Yeah, I guess I need to to crank him in.
Should I do 31 teams on the 31st?
Nice there's. Your stream idea.
Here's the stream. Yeah, the 31st is a Sunday
though. Have fun with that.
You can multi table from the pews in the local church.
Let's see Davis, did you have any other thoughts on when the
BBM shipper will be will be drafted this year?
No, I just the one additional thought and why I chose late was
I do wonder if we are particularly primed this year
for a Chiron in the sense that there's a lot of rookie running
backs that we all think suck but have paths to playing time.
Like I keep looking at like the Vikings and I'm like Jordan
Mason and Aaron Jones. Like we tried it last year.
It didn't work. The see, I mean, how about how
about the Seahawks, right? Like, OK, maybe Korain and Jacob
are right and Genarian Price just like sucks and Emmanuel
Wilson was free the whole time and is going to be the starting
running back for the Seahawks or whatever.
Like I, I do just wonder if our perception that the rookie
running back class is so bad when you get us, like when we're
all doing waiver wire in Week 5, we're not going to give a shit
how good any of these guys are. We're just like, that guy's
going to play, you know? For sure.
Yeah. I mean in there there are some
pretty good ambiguous spots like you said with the.
You know who's the Cowboys running back too?
Yeah. I don't know 2.
Niners Niners running back too, is a huge one.
We're going to try. I think I know who the Niners
running back too. Hackers running back too.
Who is the Packers? Who is the Niners running back
to Davis? I don't know.
It's Kaylin Black. It's it's Kaylin.
Black, but every year they draft a running back in round 3 and
that guy is never actually the RB2.
If you know that for a fact Davis, you should have 100%
Kaylin. Like why?
Like why would Kaylin Black be the RB2 when TDP wasn't the RB2
and Gorendo was not I don't think the RB2 in his rookie
year. Who else was under Thurman Joe?
When have they had? When the rounds were the guys
ever been the RB2? I think it's Jordan James.
Jordan James? Did they?
I'm not draft guy. James like, I'm not.
I'm not sure enough of Kendall Hunter to draft them.
Kendall Hunter. Yeah, I'm, I'm taking Kayla
Black. I, I'm drafting him with my own
real dollars on Underdog fantasy.com, underdogsports.com.
Sorry. Yeah, I think he's more of just
like a redraft thing. Like you want to be able to cut
Caitlin Black right now, I think.
I mean buddy, every running back I take after pick 100 I'm like
dude, I'm going to be cutting Kenny Gainwell in main event
leagues like you wouldn't believe.
At least I think Kenny Gainwell, you know, I wouldn't say he's
the worst pick on the board, I think.
He's I wouldn't, I wouldn't go that far.
Yeah, I wouldn't go that far. I'd say that.
Yeah, it's true. I did have so much Garrendo last
year and then got the the Brian Robbins I that was a real
getting shot. Moment.
Well. Thank Robinson is a good pick.
Oh my God, no Javis enough enough with these 40.
Niners, why do Why do you like? This I try to I every year.
I'm like, don't draft 49ers backups.
What? What are?
You saying to me you might as well be speaking fucking
Phoenician dude. What are you saying to me?
I guess I do want 49ers running backs.
I there's most certainly a spot I want.
Davis's side on this, we've had huge spot starts from Carrendo.
Jordan Mason had huge spot starts like if you nail the
running backs. Jordan Mason.
Mitchell But we but we knew we knew that Jordan Mason was going
to be the guy in August. And then I drafted Jordan Mason.
And if and if, if it becomes clear that one of these guys is
the backup, I'll draft them in August.
Jordan Mason, Why am I guessing missing now in May?
Yeah, Jordan Mason, it wasn't even clear until August.
We were taking Eli Mitchell, I think, that year.
And then they're like. Yeah, he was.
He had the higher. 82 actually from the whole, like the whole
tournament. He got he got hurt.
Eli Mitchell got hurt. I don't.
I remember differently. I remember it being like, it's
pretty clear that Mason's actually the guy they like.
And I was like, really? Jordan means.
I remember it much more. Like that OK, don't do not make
me pull up the. Rotoworld Yeah, Pull it up, Pull
it up. Well, dude, I mean, how long is
how long is this going to take me?
The way the Rotoworld website works now like this is good.
Like I'm. Gonna How good's your ad
blocker? I'm going to be doing like a
freaking forensic excavation to try and find a blurb from two
years ago about a. Lot of images you'll get you'll
click one thing you're like you click the player and then you
pick like player news on you'll get like ejected out to like
another page of different players.
I'm getting, I'm literally getting Damien Pierce updates on
the Elijah Mitchell player news page.
Like dude, this is it's so it's so tilty.
You're gonna you're gonna be reading about Kevin Durant,
right? Now anyway all.
Right. This is what I would like to say
about Elijah Mitchell or Elijah Mitchell and the 49ers
backfield, which is that most of our round 18 picks at the
running back position right now, like I have a low degree of
confidence. Many of them are not zeros,
right? Like a lot of the guys that and
Karane I of course agree with like the sidekick analysis.
And like the thing that you guys have been talking about a lot
like the last year, which is like this is a game in
basketball, we just need to be avoiding zeros, right?
So that was the initial thing with like the three
quarterbacks. The third quarterback is now.
I mean, you guys have like single handedly wrenched the the
third quarterback market. The thing that I have disagreed
with though, and and disagreed with and and I'm, I mean, I'm
sure mathematically like shady could be like, well, no, you're
a dipshit because of XY and Z. But like I think the inputs for
guys like Claiborne or Caitlin Black or Jayden Blue or Emmett
Johnson is I think those inputs are so sensitive based on like
unknowable things right now. But I think the input part that
we do know is that if rookie running back year 2 running back
X is indeed the running back 2, they should be 40 picks more
expensive. I mean, if Kyle Shanahan came
out tomorrow and said, how is she going to hand tomorrow?
I mean, we don't always have to. Let's say, let's say Greg Branos
gives him a 100% accuracy and says Caitlin Black.
We'll. Have him on Greg, too.
Greg, It's Greg, OK? Has he been?
Kicking. I'm just saying, I'm just saying
there is no, we're, we're not signing Naji Harris, we're not
calling Tevin Coleman, Matt Breda is retired, whatever,
whatever Caitlin Black will serve as our our running back
too. I'm probably ranking Caitlin
Black in the one 30s one 40s in in this environment.
Because. Christian.
Capri is a billion years old, if you knew.
For a fact, Davis's premise 140 would be a very reasonable
price. OK, but I do know, I do know for
a fact Tank Bigsby is the RB2. We're not.
Clicking Tank Bigsby. Tank Bigsby is like my third
most drafted running back. He's like one of the most
obvious values on the board. I agree.
OK. But like there's there's a bunch
of guys that we know. So like Bigsby's going like 180
and I don't, I mean, I guess you could say Barkley is is less
likely to get hurt than McCaffrey.
I suppose I don't. Think it's huge of a difference.
And like I get, but like Black doesn't have any receiving role,
so I don't think it's going to be like he's just going to take
on the Christian McCaffrey. There's no receiving profile.
So he's going to have, I think pretty much the same value as
Bigsby. So I.
Don't know why it's going to be, it's going to be the Jordan.
It would be the Jordan Mason role, by the way, I did.
Why? Why would he be different than
Ray Davis? Yeah, exactly that.
That's what it is. It's.
Because there's no to by Johnson.
But there's going to be a Ty Johnson like Kaylin Black.
I would also say the difference in those specific examples is
you don't have a Josh Allen, Jalen Hurts goal line specter as
well. By the way, I would just like to
come back to me being completely correct.
August of 2024, Elijah Mitchell not practicing with a hamstring
injury that that's why it was Mason.
Elijah Mitchell dusted his hamstring off in the preseason.
All right, look at this. This is the kind of me and.
It's never held an injury. Against when will the winning
BBMT will be drafted? Next question was what was the
lineup construction of the winning lineup on Underdog this
year? Well, we all had different
answers. That's that's.
Kind of wild. We did, yeah.
Pat 3573, Davis 3683. I don't know. 33663. 3663 I
went. 3483 and then Jay Jacob. The Zag.
No triple onesie 2592. Let's go to Jacob first.
Why won't you need 3 quarterbacks or three tight ends
to win? I'm zagging.
I mean, I don't think that the 2592 is going to be leading in
advance rates this year, but I don't think that's ever been my
intention of how I draft. I, I just view, we've, we've
talked about the quarterback stuff a lot this season, but
I've been hammering my view, which is that all of the stuff
that the leg up team and everyone else is done with The
Sims and diagnosing that, you know, the three quarterbacks we
should all be trying to get 3 quarterbacks is like clearly
correct. And was especially clearly
correct in how we used to draft where we were just letting teams
letting, letting drafters just nab a starting quarterback, you
know, in the 17th, 18th round a couple years ago, which was,
which is pretty inefficient. But this year, because everybody
is trying to go 3 quarterbacks if they can, all the quarterback
prices are getting pushed up pretty dramatically.
And that's not though affecting that like mid QB 1 range to high
end QB 2 range. So all the guys in round six,
round seven, I think are extremely appealing.
And I would include to, you know, the, the group of guys in
like the round eight, round 9 right around pick 100 on either
side are also very appealing because the gap is not as wide.
So I, I'm, I think that some, that I think that the, the
optimal move for me is like, once you hit that round 6 Cliff
of whoever you, you know, you get through the running back
group of like price and Tooting and Swift.
There's a huge drop off. I think there's a huge drop off
at rush at receiver after Harrison and Tyson.
And I think teams that go 2 quarterbacks in that 6-7 range
are going to be in a good spot. And simultaneously, I think that
the tight end, that pricing is really bizarre.
We talked about it yesterday with how even if there are
certain tight ends, you really want to click, how many can you
get because there's so many other tight end options that we
find appealing. So I I think it would not be
surprising to me if a team that had that went to the onesie well
twice, maybe even twice each by pick 100 ends up having success
and and then obviously has to build up the running back and
wide receiver depth in the later rounds.
Pat, what's the counter? Obviously The Sims like the
triples at the onesies. They do and they like them in a
kind of a variety of ways, like 3 tight end teams with Bowers
and stuff like that or McBride. Like it's not it.
I think just because, like I said earlier, the way the
running backs thin out in the final rounds and, you know, you
don't want to fall like really behind it, receiver general, you
want to at least have like probably two really strong
receivers early. And then, you know, you're like
winning with that extreme volume doesn't seem to be the way, you
know, The Sims prefer to go. It's more like, hey, let's also
score a bunch of points at quarterback in tight end and
then be, you know, have enough volume at receiver supposed to
like throwing the volume there. But yeah, I think the
quarterback pricing is pretty nice.
I like the guys Jacob likes as well.
Like, you know, the starting in round 6, I mean, Daniels and and
May and Hertz and and Burrow, like they're all very well
priced. But I also think that, you know,
you got Patrick Mahomes, you got Justin Herbert, you got that
Prescott, you got Kyler Murray, you got Brock Purdy, Bo Nicks.
Like that group is really strong and you can, you can build 3
quarterback builds around 2 of those guys and then and then a
third guy, you know, kind of in that general range.
And I think that's going to be, you know, a really, really
strong build. And you know, if you can get
that correlated and, you know, kind of getting different spike
weeks through the single elimination weeks and you're not
paying a ton for that upside. And like meanwhile, you know,
some, it's still a decent amount of opportunity cost to take like
the high, high end guys and Allen and and Lamar and
depending on, you know, Daniel's in the 5th or whatever.
Allen's the one I'm not taking cuz he's just so much more
expensive than everyone. Else me too.
I wouldn't. I wouldn't.
Include him really in this but and Lamar's on the edge, but
it's it's more like I'll take Daniels or Caleb or May or Herb
sur Burrow in the 6th and then I'll come back with Dart.
I love the sixth run guys, too. Yeah, yeah.
Davis, 3663. Yeah.
So my disagreement is basically what we were just talking about
with Kaylin Black. Like my, my, I think I am
thinking different probabilistically about the
shitter running backs at the end compared to the shitter wide
receivers of being like, well, you know, Chris Brazzell is
going to have a chance to earn opportunity later in the season
at which is definitely true. Like Chris Brazzell probably
starts out being an active and certainly will be on the field.
But my like My Portfolio reflects this as well as like I
do just want to be taking more stabs on guys who have like just
a greater risk of ruin. Like there's a much bigger
chance that Adam Randall is a zero than Ted Hurst, right?
I mean Ted Hurst is a bad example because I have Tedders
rank really high. But I do think that there to me,
it's just so easy that running backs don't have to be good to
get fantasy points. Wide receivers have to be good
to get fantasy points. Running backs get fantasy points
gifted to them. Wide receivers have to earn
them. So like I do just portfolio wise
think it makes more sense to be like, yeah, dude, I'm taking
freaking Jaden Blue and Malik Davis sometimes even though the.
When did you high? When did you say the winning
lineup was? You said it was pretty late,
right? Yeah, August.
Better in August, right? It's just.
Going to be better in August, yeah.
So so yeah, this build winning from an August type of team I I
do find plausible. I mean, it's just my, my issue
with the guys you're talking about late is not that like I
can't see myself taking them, it's that I don't know which one
of them's are good picks and. What's on the parable, right,
exactly right now it's like, it's like, it's, it's like
betting on a hunch, right? It's like, it's like you're
having because right now you're having to hit 2 parlays.
Like you're having to hit. You're having to hit guy wins
the running back two job and the starter gets injured or like
this guy carves out playing time or whatever.
That was going to be my follow up question for you Jacob.
On the on the 2, are you more likely to do that in August?
Are you fine ripping in 259 twos right now?
So I'm in the 59 is the part I feel less passionately about.
Mostly I'm like mostly I'm I'm trying to advocate for the twos,
but the 2682 equally 2772, probably not just doing that as
much, but yeah, I'm ripping, I'm ripping 2 twos now.
Probably more 2 threes or three twos just on average.
Because like you kind of need the room to fall to a very
specific way for me to actually be inclined to do the two 2
build. So I'm, I'm probably making more
of a point than I am like sketching out a specific lineup
that I intend to draft 150 of, but I'm, I'm fine doing it now.
I'll be especially fine doing it when the schedule comes up and I
don't have to worry about double by weeks on my quarterbacks and
tight ends. But yeah, I have, I have no
issues with that. I, I think the reason why I did
the 2592 is I am pretty concerned about the running back
pricing. And like, I, I think the way I'm
envisioning this 2592 is like I have two quarterbacks in the 1st
8 rounds. I also have two tight ends in
the 1st 9:00 and I make sure I have 3 running backs in that
point. So I'm probably sitting at like
a 2322 through 9 rounds and then I'm ripping like Casey
Concepcion, Rashid Shaheed, Xavier Worthy, Omar Cooper as as
wide receivers like targets in the that middle.
Of I respect this because Jacobs basically just saying he's going
to win BBM. This is the this is the build
he's of course. Spoiler.
Of course, of course. Am I, am I gonna, am I going to
try and think of builds that I, that I'm not drafting, I'm
hoping to build with BBM. That's the goal, I mean.
Great if you're. If you're thinking about it
probabilistically, Jacob is. If you use the data available to
us through 6 Basketball Mania champions, Jacob is the singular
most probabilistically likely person to.
Win. Why is this?
Because you are a Peter Overset Co host and you're more and
you're more likely to win than I am.
Just like obviously. What one of the things that I I
mean, I guess looking at the past two winning best ball Mania
lineups, like they do end up looking relatively balanced in
there. I think it was the line up two
years ago that specifically had this that had the three
quarterbacks and the three tight ends, but it found sealing from
one of those like Burrow gave him that elite performance at
maybe a non elite cost. And then George Kittle as well.
He got an elite tight end in what it was round six at the
time and he was like pushing out like Round 2 value.
And so to me, I think that's the interesting thing about the
threes of like you can kind of accomplish both goals where you
can get the unique pod dynamics, get the different stacks you
through, but you gotta you basically have to hit on someone
from a secondary tier who gives elite performances to fucking
take it down. Well, I do.
Think. Another reason why I like the
triple threes is that's gonna like boost your advance rate, so
it just makes it more likely one of those teams gets to the
finals. Like having the double threes
just gonna help your advance rate.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree. It's.
I think the for sure, I think A2 quarterback team is probably
more likely than A2 tight end team just because it's almost
like you're kind of like there's certain builds where I get like
if I have like DAC and Herbert, those are teams where I am like
fully like I have the green light to add a third
quarterback. That's that's not a concern.
But if I don't add a third quarterback, it's also like not
a huge problem. It's not like Aaron Rodgers
comes like flooding to the top of the side, like got to get the
QB 3. Like those guys are good enough
to to build around as A2 quarterback build.
It's just when you get to the end of drafts and you have two
tight ends, like even if you have, let's say you know, Bowers
and Fannin, I think you know you're going to see tight ends
there is actually somewhat appealing just relative to the
receivers, especially if you have like 8 receivers already.
So that's actually the. Part you don't understand how
shitty the receivers I'm drafting are.
Then you might need 9, yeah. Yeah, like when JC Constestion
is your wide receiver. Three.
Who are your favorite Jacob? If you're getting to like a nine
wide receiver build, you're obviously taking a couple in the
in the last few rounds. Who are your go TOS right now?
Well, I really wish Bime Forward shut off about Flournoy because
he's now rising up you. Mean you mean Marquez Baldos
Gantling's jock holder? Yeah, yeah.
So that was that was one I like. I mean, I like the rookies, I
like Branch, I like Brazzle towards the end.
I think Pat Bryant is kind of interesting.
Ted Hurst has been a guy I've been, I've been jumping on with
the new, with the news. Yeah.
So I think there's, I think there's interesting enough guys.
I mean, I'm still not totally out on Wix as a, as a last round
guy. There's guys, yeah, there's guys
for me. I, I mean, I probably agree that
the 2583 is I'll, I will draft more 2583 teams in 2592, but I
thought it was more interesting to say, well, RM covers said
Cooper Cup in the chat. By the way, I did draft Cooper
Cup last night. There you go, not.
A He's draftable. The thing about the two or three
quarterbacks versus two or three tight ends is like sometimes
your hand is forced at quarterback.
It might have been the team Pat and I did on best ball breakfast
or just like there's not a third quarterback that makes any
sense. So we're just stopping at 2.
Whereas I almost every round of the draft there's a viable tight
end and you actually kind of have to stop yourself.
Like again, Pat, I think we took like Kyle Pitts and then we look
back at it and we're like, man, there was like a bunch of other
spots we could have taken tight end there.
So you you always want to keep tight end in your back pocket I
think, if possible. There's always an Eli Raritan in
the banana stand, that much I. Didn't know that's right.
All right. Next question was how many
rookies? Peter, look at.
That on the winning team. Wow, guy shows up to the fucking
stream wearing a buttoned up golf polo and.
Says I'm the winning. Team.
I'm a new man. You might want to do that top
button feet. Maybe I maybe I go full like
2002 Hollister get a. Job.
I don't put pop in the collar. Yeah, so I did.
Zero the shirt. That shirt actually just changed
color to salmon. I'm doing so you think you can
tell interviews today, so I had to look, you know, fetch it up.
Jacob and Pat said 3, Davis said two.
I decided to be heel and say 0. I'll give my my heel version is
we've had the token rookie on every one of these teams.
It makes sense. There's a reason these guys can
outperform their draft cost, but eventually the music's going to
stop on the shitty rookie wide receiver carousel who
contributes to $1,000,000 lineup.
This is the year this rookie class is overrated.
Jeremy Bernard's not on the fucking shipper.
It's going to be a Cooper Cup ass pick this year.
Who's overrating this rookie class universally?
Directed Jacob Pat Why is there going to be 3 rookies?
Well, Pat really only said two because his team's come
preloaded with Dejon Stribling, so he only picked two additional
rookies. Yeah, I mean, I'm, I'm trying to
think of this whole thing holistically, right?
I'm, I, I'm thinking of this of my winning BBM team.
So I have my 2592 team that I drafted on August 17th and I
need, I need rookie wide receivers late.
So I got to get two of those late guys at least to get into
the mix. And then I, I don't know, I
assume there's going to be 1 early ish rookie among the
group. But yeah, I think it's mostly
that I think, I think that the early onesies is my take for the
year. I think that depends on you
getting on some rookie wide receivers late.
That's why that's why I said 2 because it'll be 1.
I I think one of Tate, Tyson, Lemon, Concepcion, I feel pretty
strongly that one of those guys is going to be like a real, real
hit. And then and then opening the
door up to Caitlin Black, Damon Claiborne, Emmett Johnson, Adam
Randall, whom whom Stabber. Yeah, I think, tell me, I'm like
the the receivers, the rookie receivers are pretty well priced
really across the board. You know, I think Tate, Tyson
Lemon, that group's really strong.
I like Concepcion. Omar Cooper is pretty, pretty
inexpensive for a first round wide receiver, you know, and
he's someone that people generally kind of are like at
least half interested from a prospect profile perspective in
addition to the draft capital. And then yeah, you have got like
some really cheap guys who were second round picks going, you
know, 150 plus. So I think.
Anyone in particular? Maybe the third Enzo Boston
continues to fall. Like Jeremy Bernard's a good
pick. Anyone you're thinking of, I
don't know. But yeah, I'm so like, I think
there's probably a couple receivers on there.
And then, you know, Jeremiah Loves could easily be like an
absolute smash in the third round.
Mendoza is part of three quarterback builds.
I think, you know, he's going to play a bunch of the season.
You know, I think he's live price, you know, could be in the
sixth round, a pretty strong pick.
So yeah, I am mostly thinking through with the receivers.
But you do have you do have Sadiq who's falling and stours
late as well. So yeah, some good prices on the
rookies, I think. Yep.
Yeah, Davis is the measured 1 here.
Pat and Jacob with three. I guess zero would probably be
my real answer if I wasn't having fun with it.
Let's go. To wait zero would be your real
answer. Or what?
No, sorry, 11. Would be real.
Yeah, but yeah, I mean just this was a good point too from O in
the chat of just like what would be the overall percentage of
drafted teams with 0 rookies? Like I'm probably working
against a sample size issue even.
CBK maxing this year. Yeah, exactly.
All right. Next question here was how many
running backs through through 5 rounds on the winning team.
This was Davis's suggestion for this.
Pat and myself said 2 running backs through 5 rounds.
Jacob and Davis went more robust, 3 running backs through
5 rounds. Jacob, I'll go to you first.
Why? Why do we need to take 3 before
5? You don't need to, but I was
between 2:00 and 3:00 and I went with three.
Yeah, just just because I like so many of the just because of
the range of the draft that I like.
I like the quarterbacks a lot in six through 9.
I like the tight ends basically starting from Bowers all the way
through to La Porta. But the wide receivers, I feel
like the range that I like the wide receivers best at cost in
outside of the very elite ones up top, are really in like the
90 to 130 range. There's like a ton of guys that
I like there. I guess Reed is slightly out of
that range now, but downs Pierce all gobbins on the fringes of
that worthy golden, even all the way to Omar Cooper.
So I think that's probably just where I'm like, if I'm trying to
sketch out, build, build my draft from the back, where do I
want to be allocating my running back capital?
It's hard for me to find running back clicks.
I'm super enthused about or I don't like other positions more
really after we get through the the first few rounds after like
the Montgomery scataboo swift tootin range of things.
So yeah, I'd probably be my ideal would be like 3 in the 1st
5 tack on like a Rashad Wyatt or a Jordan Mason and a late one
that's probably like my dream running backroom.
Matt, I think that the counter to be more at 2:00 to 5:00 as
you do ultimately worry that, well, one, you probably aren't
able to do an elite tight end or elite quarterback quite as well
if you're getting to 3 running backs.
And then if you are, then you probably don't have enough high
end wide receiver firepower. Yeah.
And I think in this part of the window, like we're like 3
running backs is is better than two.
But it's a long draft season. So I think, you know, if we get
some more running backs that we feel comfortable with later, you
know, that could, you know, have you taking too early as opposed
to three. I was pretty close to saying
three. I think, you know, it's kind of
one of those two. But I was also thinking about
this like facial tootin is falling a little bit into the
sixth round and. You know, we've seen RJ Harvey
fall a lot since the draft and I don't think that, you know, the
dynamic that we talked about with the young running backs and
how their prices have really risen, I'm not sure that holds
all the way through the summer. So you could have stuff like
Quinch on Judkins falling more to the to the 6th of the early
6th. I don't think scataboo will make
it that far, but you know, you could depending on his injury
recovery stuff, people could freak out a little bit there and
he could fall to the early 6th later in the summer.
So there's I'm kind of intrigued about like the put the potential
for the sixth round to have some of those upside bets as as
opposed to costing a fifth round pick.
So I was thinking 3 running backs, probably through 6.
Rounds in the past, past the the bridge.
I mean barely, but he he's like 60.8 or something I think today
so. Right.
And I think he continues to fall.
Does that shock you to me? If I had to make a prediction, I
would have said that the Slappies would have won that war
of keeping tooten higher up in the.
Fifth round C rod C rod is. Freaking can we not, can we not
just let this happen, man? Like like I, I wasn't even
drafting that much tooten in the 5th.
I was like 8 to 11%. Like if we can just get Tooten
going like after Marvin Harrison and like close to tuba and
stuff, I might. Have I might have, can we just
5%? Can we just please, like,
wouldn't it just be so much more of a fun summer for us to just
have like a guy that we could all come and sing kumbaya and
lock arms? One guy just.
For us end mill in 68.3 Basil Tooten.
Like come on, even if it doesn't work, it would just be so nice.
It would be so nice. I just want to say it's just not
the same slappies that I used to know and love.
The same slappies who charged JCM up the board.
They wouldn't have let this happen to to Tooten's ADP.
And I mean how? About JCM freaking starting
running back for the commanders is available after pick 120.
I can't believe it. They've.
Given up White, Rashad White. Flappies have given up man.
They don't have any fight in them anymore.
You can you can check out my rankings on Stribling about
stribling.com, Rashad White one spot ahead of.
JCM Yeah, I've got a head to what?
The fuck is wrong with you guys bro?
Rashad White. I.
Mean we've been on profile. So I'm betting against very
heavily in the sixth round right now.
Look, Chris Rodriguez at pick 110 is fucking egregious.
It's. It's.
Horrible. Enough.
Yeah, my. Goodness, if he was back at
Christian McCaffrey, obviously he'd be great.
But correct, yeah. Manley Moose isn't afraid to say
he takes Tootin in the force sometimes just so he can pair
him with Swift. I mean, this is an old school
thing. You only have one fifth round
pick. If you like 2 guys in the fifth
round, you're gonna have to take somebody.
See Jared Neal Max this contest tomorrow, right?
Hubbard better than Tootin. Let's go Like let's actually get
back to 2022 running back pricing, right?
Like, can't we just leave? Why not?
Hubbard Is Hubbard's the RB-1? Jonathan Brooks.
Yeah, he's an RB-1. You're.
Going to bet on a fourth round rookie.
You had 77 carries last year over Chuba Hubbard.
Get out of here. What are you?
How many? Breakaway runs did.
How many breakaway runs did Tuton have last year?
Yeah, I think Chuba Hubbard literally also had none.
He had a 0. Point.
Well, let no, no frustrate Jacob.
You, you know how we have time box contests or whatever, you
know, they, they fill quickly. What if we had something where
it was like a total refresh on ADP and obviously it would
require probably for them to be alphabetical or I don't know how
that would actually work, but something that actually set
fresh. ADP they they would have to just
generate new, they'd have to generate like a new slate, a new
player IDs. Could you imagine how frothy
people would be for the first drafts of that contest if it was
alphabetically sorted so? Fucking sweaty dude.
The sweatiest people would be in there.
It's just like 10 at a time, like I ought to draft it again.
It would be so good. I want.
But I guess what I mean. I don't know why Karain is
talking about his fucking subscribers that way like this.
Like that's what Like the that's like what the Sidekick is built
for. Well, I would think.
Maybe you weren't. I just think it'd be really fun
to actually then look at differences of ADP sets and be
like, this is just classic stickiness, people being
anchored to current AD PS and this is actually a reflection of
how people think about these players right now.
And the the underdog ADP doesn't update that quickly, right?
It updates, it's slower than than the DraftKings ADP and the
underdog is kind of driving the conversation.
So it's like the it's the ADP that's sort of harder to push
off of is the one that that we cite more frequently, which is
yeah. And it's like we're not seeing
as much volume right now as we will later.
And like, not a lot is happening.
You know, there's some news, but it's, you know, that's that's
going to become like firehose later too.
So. Yeah.
Jacob and Davis, assuming that you do your 3 running backs
through 5 rounds in your ideal dream draft, what other
positions are you allocating those other two slots to?
One wide receiver, one tight end.
Yeah, yeah. Round, round three, round 3,
McBride or Bowers. So you do you do like I guess
nutted start would be like Jefferson Walker.
Play of the heads Eat. Again, no Jefferson Walker.
Jefferson Blocker. Rice Worthy.
Type no, no, I got it. Jefferson Walker, GTN Burden,
and oh, that's that's too. Many wide receivers see.
You can't even bring yourself to draft 3 running backs.
Gentie Walker, Garrett Wilson, Breece Hall, Jordan Tyson.
All right, I I would be very similar.
I'll go Genti, Barkley, Garrett Wilson, Colston Loveland and
David Montgomery. I'll go Gibbs, Bowers, A.J.
Brown, Cam Scataboo and Devonte Adams.
Yeah, that's also, that's also very good, yeah.
Let's see what's my I'll do like Jane I, I guess The thing is,
I'm trying to actually think from the one side of the board.
Jacob's over here pulling David my I.
Was gonna say I'm trying to think of like a start you can
actually get. Well, this is a start.
I've I'm sure I've drafted this team.
I mean my true. Round by round pick what our
dream start? You're saying I can't have a guy
4 picks after ADP? Keep dreaming.
Buddy, keep dreaming. I would do something like like
the Cook and Barkley come back with like Zay, maybe pull up
Colston Loveland. Dude, Pete has fucking changed
man. I'll, I'll take, I'll take
Judkins then if you won't give me, I'm actually I'll just take
Tootin. I'll take Tootin over my in my
fifth round then if you want good there.
You go, baby. Or you could take Tuba.
Have fun. Yeah, I won't do that.
Jared, Jared's pissed at you. Now you can draft Hubbard in the
same round as Jacob was taken 35% on Travis Hunter.
Last year. I mean, it would be weird to
take. It'd be weird to take Chuck
Shubin the third. That's like a bit of an overpay.
Gotta have conviction all. Right, hold on.
I I actually I actually have it. Oh my God.
Jefferson Walker, ETN. Scataboo.
You pulled him. Whatever.
Whatever wide receiver Tate Tyson Watson, I mean, obviously
the true dream start includes Luther burden. yo-yo swap that
around. So Luther burden round 4 by
shell toot in round five. That's that's.
It there you go. There you go.
That's the perfect, Yeah. All right, that that's the
slappy and boomer hybrid, that's the centrist.
Start there with the three running backs still.
Republicans buy overlays, too. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.
Before we started today, right? Not so sorrow, he said.
No more political references. So, Davis, stop it.
This is a football show. You said that.
The first two comments on YouTube today it said I don't
know why, but I don't find Jacob annoying anymore.
I've actually grown to like him. It probably has something to do
with having less political references.
And then I corrected him by saying actually that would be
fewer political references. Oh man.
Oh man, you had him. You almost won him over.
Beautiful. All right.
Next question, which was who is going to be the most owned
player in the BBM 7 Finals? So this isn't our own portfolio,
it's who's going to crush. So hard I'm literally I'm
looking at Pats and I'm just fucking stunned that this is his
answer. I I I can Paco first.
I love this answer. I think.
We we talked. About, you know, running backs
and how we want to, we all want at least or we all predicted at
least 2 running backs on the winning build in the 1st 5
rounds. So and we like generally the
early tight ends, right? And, you know, like, interested
in taking quarterbacks reasonably early, starting in
like the sixth round or so. But that's also, you know, a
spot where wide receivers are pretty good picks too.
And so I think a lot of these builds are going to be like
supercharged. If you can find a breakout wide
receiver in round four, that kind of range, that round three,
round four, round 5 range, finding someone who like goes
nuts, I think could be huge. And you know, Zay Flowers, he's
got a new OC. Like so much of his issues
really are about touchdowns and usage around the end zone.
And you have a new OC coming in. He had 2.53 yards per outrun
last year, 2.25 the year before. He was a first round pick, he
was an immediate starter. He's entering his fourth season
off of two extremely efficient years and he has had unfortunate
usage around the end zone. But you do have upside here.
We're like, oh, Zay flowers butt touchdowns and I think, you
know, that's how he becomes an absolute smash in the fourth
round. I think generally, like I'm I'm
not sold on it necessarily being him.
I think, you know, there's a bunch of guys in that range that
are are really good picks and have a lot of upside, but he's
one that I think is both like pretty safe.
He's a he's a really good player and a good offense.
And then there's the upside of of the offense maybe passing a
little bit more and potentially just running the offense through
him as they should have been doing already.
I mean, I I obviously agree with you.
Structurally like the like all the all the roads that lead to
you indicating there. It's just so hard for me to
imagine a guy who. Is going to regress and.
Touchdowns that hard to be the most owned player in in the
final stab, like the advance rate needed.
And then the giga mega spike week.
Because I guess the way I've always felt is like, yeah,
Flowers can obviously have some real nice spike weeks.
But like, I I think of like the way Lamar's always played.
And even even in like a Lamar MVP season, it's likely to be
like relatively low volume, you know what I'm saying?
So like, it's hard for me to imagine a like 9 for 168 and
three-game because like, I mean, how many times has Lamar even
completed? I use Lamar ever.
I I'm sure someone's had a three touchdown game with Lamar.
Probably Andrew. Probably Andrew.
Probably. He, I mean that he tends to
spray his. Touchdowns around is the issue,
but that like doesn't have to be the case.
It doesn't have to be the touchdowns.
Are variant like that that does not have.
To be the case, I'm I'm not saying that correction.
Is wrong. I just I this was to me was a
surprising answer because it's like, yeah, everyone knows Zay
flower is like quite good. Like I don't think anyone really
debates. I don't think people do know
that. I think I don't.
Think Flowers is actually and I don't think I even knew it
enough 'cause I just moved him up as Pat was talking because
I've always been I feel like pretty ProFlowers guy and making
the case for him has always felt difficult.
Like people are often like say flowers, like he's more of a 2,
you know, or, or like say flowers good.
He's not great. And I do think it's mostly the
touchdown. It's like, you know, Pat
mentioned that the targets per out yards per out as a full
time, like all formation wide receivers.
Fantastic. Really my my only and.
Another issue, I guess not my only issue is that he he goes
ahead of Luther Burden, but I have Luther Burden ranked ahead.
I had a bird. I mean I have like.
I mean I have the word ranked like. 35 I think God, it's going
to be it's so. Hard for me to draft so much
burden as I want to because there's so many guys in that
like early 4 that I really like the.
You know BH. In the chat says most owned
players a week 15 spike. Give me Jeremiah love.
We all agree that you need a week 16 spike to to be one of
the most owned players. The one thing I'll say is the
more expensive they are, the harder it is for them to be one
of the most owned. So like a a second, third round
Jeremiah love, like he would need to go like that's that's
why, that's why I chose. That's why I chose.
It could happen though. Taylor I think was the most
owned going into the playoffs last year, right, And now he
didn't do anything in the playoffs.
But like if Taylor had gone for 35 in week 15 or 16, he's
probably the most owned guy in the final.
That's true. Yeah.
It, then it. Does come back to.
You also need the strong advance rate to have enough of a sample
of that player in in the pods. Yeah, you probably.
You really need to be a very strong advance rate player with
at least a big spike in one of 15 or 16 probably, right.
That's and also pair well with. You know, other, you know, other
players who are really good picks.
And I think one advantage of of Zay is like he does, he's not
going to be paired with like Gibbs and Bijan.
So if those guys are just essential, then you know you
won't have you know this will be wrong, but he is going to be
paired with like a lot of different players because he's
going to be paired with with Lamar quite.
A bit. He'll be paired with Lamar.
For sure, but he'll. Also be alone, you know he's not
going to be right stacked with Lamar at a super high rate.
Yeah, because Lamar. I hope Lamar comes back in the
5th, right? I think Loveland for two.
Reasons. It's funny because I had already
filled out the form before we had the discussion about him
last night on on ADP chasing, so I knew this was coming, but the
the. Ability to separate at the
onesie. Positions is pretty extreme.
So if you can have like a 35 at tight end, we saw this with
Laporta a few a while ago, we saw this with Andrews, you can
rack up a really high consolidation of the advance
rate for a quarterback or tight end, tight end especially.
And then I also just think Caleb is, is my personal favorite
quarterback on the board. And if you have Loveland, just a
pretty good chance for taking Caleb.
They line up really nicely. If you're picking in like the
one to five slots of the draft, you take Loveland the 4-5, you
take Caleb at the 6-7. And yeah, I mean, he's he's my
favorite tight end of cost. He's taxed with my favorite
quarterback at cost. So I'm I'm going to bet on the a
huge eruption between the two of them in 15 or 16 and a strong
offense all year. Davis.
Do you want to shock the world with your selection?
The only the only thing shocking.
About my selection is that a quarterback who has finished
quarterback 4, quarterback 11, quarterback 2, quarterback 4,
quarterback 2, quarterback 6, and quarterback one is available
at quarterback 12. That is the there's literally
the only shocking thing about it.
He is -700 to start in Week 1 on the FanDuel Sports book.
So if you disagree with me, you think I'm stupid, you can go
place a wager with your own money and go profit off of me
being stupid. He's is like the team thinks
he's going to be back by not even training camp by OTAs.
Like Andy Raid said, he's going to be out here at OTAs.
That is what that's three months before the start of the season.
OTAs three, 3 1/2 months before the start of the season.
The team like it, it I just think it's like, to me it it's
almost one of the most obvious things I can imagine like you.
You Do people really think he's not?
Gonna be good for fantasy football I I don't I guess I
don't understand the con argument and the.
Con argument isn't. For Patrick Mahomes being a good
selection, it would be in the context of this prompt that a
quarterback separating enough from the field to be the most
well. So my my.
On on top of that is I think he is going to be overwhelmingly
selected higher by good drafters because I think the types of
people who are not going to want to be in on Mahomes are the type
of people who are not thinking properly about the game.
And then also and. Then and then you've got.
For for the first time ever, you can actually, I was just mugged.
You just got. Mugged.
You got you got philosophy. I've never been more.
Mugged and. And Mahomes has never.
Really been backstackable before and and now there are two
players with 70% route shares you can take after now I'm not
not going to try and talk you guys in as if you're worthy at
the we got plenty of time like this somewhere through that I
like I. Like Xavier, worthy of it is.
And yeah. And Kelsey is also free.
Like, I, I just, you know, I, I just think, I think it's real
straightforward. I guess the thing that could
hurt him would be actually, if in a weird way, if the chief's
offense is better, it could hurt Mahomes's overall advance rate
because it would mean that overdrafting Rashi Rice based
off of the scam that he's done for the first two years of his
career. Like if the offense is better,
that's actually worse for Rice because the scamming is going
to, is going to stop to some degree.
I mean. There'll still be a little bit
of scam. I think, yeah.
I think that if it ends up being Mahomes, just the way this stuff
breaks out, I like. If he ends up being very chalky
then I would think that Rice or Worthy or Kelsey might end up
actually being higher owned because they happen to have.
That huge week. Right, like you just it matters
more. Yeah, I was trying to remember
the. Year.
The one year I remember a quarterback having super high
ownership, but I want to say it was like BBM three or two.
It was the Jalen Hurts year where he just dragged.
Yeah, like 35. Yeah.
Yeah, that wasn't BBM three. He didn't play. 17.
Right then. He didn't play.
He didn't. Play.
Yes, that. Was that year?
That was that was BBM three. Yeah, yeah, I remember that.
So it. Is it is.
Possible, but I do. Think you?
Yeah, you gotta have the rushing component that's giving you what
like you need back-to-back weeks of probably 30 points to to be
the highest owned as a quarterback, I would imagine.
I, I, you know what, Peter? I actually.
Like your answer better. Like I I I actually think your
answer is better. I like your answer a lot.
I love how. Peter goes from being.
The anti slap with the 0 rookies and then he comes right back
around. He pops the collar, undoes a
button and lets it RIP. You know what's?
You know what's my issue right now, even?
As I was filling out the surveys, I'm too much in
producer mode with so You think you can tell and stirring the
pot and thinking. So I was like anticipating what
you guys were going to put down and then trying to play foil to
that with with my selections. But Travis Hunter, this is
either going to go awful or it's going to be a giga smash, right?
Like I don't see a lot of room in between.
And if things break right, whether there's injuries or
they're just they're full of shit about him playing a ton
more defense. Like if you get a player with a
talent of a second, third, fourth round caliber wide
receiver and things break right where he does have that 25%
target share that he had in the last game he played this season
before getting hurt, like you were going to have just a
massive windfall of value. We all like this offense.
We know what they can do. I mean, Hunter could just
absolutely demolish his ADP and be on 50% of the the BBM line
UPS. God, that's exciting to think
about, yeah. Yeah, I think Hunter's one.
Of the reasons. Like the he is one of the
reasons that you know, taking 3 running backs through 5 rounds
could be the the right way to go right now.
Like 100% it's it's like God damn.
You could have 100. Percent, An incredibly talented
wide receiver, you know, as your wide receiver four or five that
you spent very little on, you know, and you're pairing with
with, you know, steady production at the running back
position. You've got a really strong wide
receiver room now you have 3-4 guys who are crushing.
You didn't spend that much on you know there.
There's other right, like I'm really excited about Josh Downs,
you know, but he's in he's up to pick 100 now.
He's just going to say he's getting expensive now.
Yeah, it's. It's kind of nuts.
I think the upside that you get with Hunter, like you can make
arguments about the downside for sure.
And you can even say like, look, most of the time this guy's
probably like just not playing that much.
He's like a part time guy, you know?
But like, man, if you think about and it's like how little
actually needs to change, like we're like a Jacoby Myers
hamstring injury away, you know, from him just being like a turbo
nuclear smash. He has so many.
He has so freaking. Mini outs because it's all three
of them like Brian Thomas junior might get traded.
Jacoby Myers, like, might be like cooked, you know, like
they're just, he did fall off last year.
Yeah. He might just like, play.
Over one of the guys, he just, he might just play.
He took him. #2 and he was a #2. Pick a year ago, yeah.
I don't know this. Narrative about how he's like
not actually going to play receiver is like we've concocted
that I think out of fear like they have they repeatedly this
week and last week we're saying, I didn't say that.
I didn't say he was going to play less receiver.
I said he was going to play more cornerback.
We're playing him as much as humanly possible.
He's his dream is to play two ways.
We've always supported that. We drafted him to do that.
Yeah. Best ball Twitter reacting.
To Liam Cohen saying the plan hasn't changed.
What do you mean by that? What do you mean the plan hasn't
changed? And if we're being, if we're
being honest, he's just. He's the best wide receiver on
their team. Sure.
Yeah. So.
Someone says Hunter's ceiling is
wide receiver 4. The whole thing with the
conversation is his floor could be wide receiver 5, it could be
doesn't play. That's the floor.
The ceiling is not wide receiver 4.
And I mean, that's completely. Rage.
Yeah, I mean, it's a lack of imagination.
With him, but and I think I and I think fear, I think people are
afraid that they take they're drafting a cornerback and that's
embarrassing. Like it, it'll be embarrassing
if he plays cornerback. It will.
Fantasy football has never been. More of a fear based exercise
than this year with the running back AD PS and then anyone with
any semblance of risk, right? Oh, Mahomes is coming off to an
ACL. Travis Hunter, by the way.
But like, you know, you know who also wasn't going to freaking
play the guy going right out of him?
Woody Marks. Like Congrats man, You draft.
Like OK, I drafted A cornerback, but you drafted.
Daria goomba Walla. Yeah, you drafted Daria Ogomba
Walla. Congratulations, you drafted
Debo. Samuel with the next you can
find more of that. Incisive wit at scribbling about
scribbling.com. Someone did say it was shocking
you didn't have Stribling here, Pat.
You could have really established that brand.
Listen, the thing with Stribling is.
He's moving up. I think he's probably gonna be
like a like a break even hit by the time.
Yeah, I mean great, great update on Stribling.
Today, Kyle Shanahan likes his downfield blocking.
I love that. I love that his A.
Dub High A dub Average depth of block.
Dude. And you know, Stribling is just
gonna be a constant preseason drum beat because he does the
things in practice that coaches are gonna absolutely love.
They're gonna love like we're gonna be.
Hearing about this dude. All summer if he if he loves to
load. Up on Gen.
Z. DeMarcus Robinson, let's fucking
go. But I mean, I do think that
like. And you could argue that this
was bad, but we we took Xavier Legat, I think in the 12th
round. We took Jonathan Mingo in the
12th round. We took Rossi Rice in the 12th
round. That one actually worked out
very, very, very well. You know, Ricky Pearsall was
like at 12 to 30. I was going to say Rashi was
like the one. Where it worked?
Yeah, it really worked. Yeah, Pearsall worked too.
He's on the winning line up that.
Year that's true. Honestly, I forget that Ricky.
Pearsall has ever had a good game, yeah.
So this this. Type of like.
Stribling. Cooper, you know, lost guys are
a cost I'm drafting. They're under.
Price we were taking Jaden. Higgins in what, the 8th and
ninth round last year? Yeah.
Matthew Golden.
Got up to the 5th. You know, Bucco was in like the
4th for the that's that is the. Thing that happened that we did,
I'm not. I'm not making that up.
So, so like, you give me Omar Cooper, like 140 or whatever,
like, hell yeah. And you know, I think Sterling
will probably move up to a point where I'm not having to tout
him, which I'm looking forward to.
But what the fuck are we Sterling or not Sterling?
Again at the end of draft. Sure, all we do is talk about
Deshawn. Sterling it is like dude, it's
just non-stop Sterling chasing on this platform.
Bro. It is May.
It is May 13th. And, and I've like, I I'm
thinking about Deshawn Sterling as I'm falling asleep at night.
Who are better candidates to rise?
In value than these guys that were drafted in the second round
that are very likely to make you know, at at least a few of them
are very likely to make some real noise in training camp is
is having early season roles and you know, to expand it like
Jeremy Bernard, you know, Ted Hurst is already seeing a little
buzz like he was a third round pick, but still like there's no
for sure we're going to get the Jack.
Bash of this year. The the guy the Higgins is what
I'm saying. You know the.
Yeah. All right.
Next slide. Going back.
A little macro. What is going to be the dominant
strategy in 2026? We allowed each other to take
some liberties here. Let's start with Jacob.
I mean this. He did go with the holistic
approach here. 3 onesies in the 1st 9 rounds.
What did you mean by this? I mean I this is basically.
What I already sort of talked about in 2592, so I won't
belabor it, but yeah, I think, I think that the quarterback
window in in the like starting in the 6th through to I can't
remember who goes last, but out of like Kyler Goff love that
group. I think is really strong and I
also really love all of the tight ends basically through
Laporta. So I think, I mean, I almost put
four and doing the two, two and stopping.
But I'll, I'll be I'll be safe. And I think people that are are
loading up on the onesie positions more than usual in the
first half of their drafts will have more success than they have
historically because I think the economy is is favoring it this
year. Pat.
You. Said balance plus three.
Q BS Yeah, we've kind of discussed some of this, but
anything else I would have said yeah, if you had said like.
What's the dominant strategy from like May?
I was, I almost put hyperfragile, but then I was
thinking like like I talked about before that later in the
summer it might be more like 3 running backs through 6 rounds
or like 4 running backs through 9 rounds.
But you know, maybe your first is in the third or something
like that. So there's probably going to be
a number of ways to kind of build, but generally having kind
of equal running backs and receivers, I think through like
the first six rounds. Yep.
Davis, thank you for running back.
Anchor running back. For advantage or for advance
right here? Well, I think, I think it's
twofold. I mean, I think.
It's just like, well, like the sort of the like, dude, you got
it. You got to flip the board.
You got to like, it's all about the combinatorics.
Like I think that is like almost kind of like dead in mainstream
basketball talk now. Like, I don't think anyone
really cares about that anymore. I think everyone just
acknowledges that the expected value of one team is what it is.
It doesn't matter how unique your combo is once it gets to
week 15. It's like what?
What was the dumb argument that J Mac and Liam were having last
year? 100.
A hundred of the same you could advance 150.
Yeah, 150, it was It was a. 100 of the same team versus 25, like
whole unique teams or whatever. It's like, buddy, if it's 25
versus 26, give me the extra team.
Like that's just how the that's just how the math works.
This is this is the. This is the Liam Murphy.
Like I wouldn't, I actually wouldn't want to have a high
advance rate because I haven't drafted like I think those are
22. Different things that happened
that a high advance. There are two different things,
and and. SAC, would you press a blue
button or a red? Button.
Oh God, you know. SAC said this once and I think
it's pretty true, which is like if you told me you advanced 50%
of your teams, I'd probably say you drafted bad.
Like if you draft, if you advance 30% of your teams, I'm
like, you probably drafted pretty good, but if you advance
fifty, you probably just press the same button on the same
dudes a bunch of times. And then I think odd, like the
strategy that is super good this year is like just two running
backs through three. It's like you're just you're
just anchoring your team around Gentie and Bruce or Gibbs and
Jeremiah Love or whatever. And then getting and then hoping
that Drake London, A.J. Brown or if you do a wide
receiver in the first Justin Jefferson, like hoping that that
is where you get your your crazy wide receiver differential from.
It got cut off on mine too, but the. 3 quarterbacks in the
window is, is what I said there. I don't think that it's going to
be like dominant to like tackle on, you know, quarterback at 170
or something. But I'm getting I'm getting
more. Nervous every day that Aaron
Rodgers won't just go to Pittsburgh.
Just every day, Every day by 30%.
Aaron Rodgers is looking worse. I still I still feel pretty
good. About Aaron Rodgers, but I the
the other quarterbacks that go in that range are like, so I
mean, This is why I've been in on the early guys.
Like there's so much worse than they used to be, man.
Like I, I forget, I think it was the first team that I got into a
BBM finals. I drafted Stafford the like the
year with puka really late. And I think Stafford I got it
like in like the 16th, you know, and it's like now like we're
drafting guys that are like 50-50 to lose their jobs.
Yeah, Jacoby best ball Mania playoffs in the one 50s like in
Gino and Jacoby. And if Rogers does sign like
he's going to zoom up the board. The only reason he's so cheap is
because people don't know if he's gonna play football because
he doesn't have a team when you're on the.
Site. I mean, people are.
People like Penex and two are getting if this was like 2 years
ago, 2 and Penex would be never drafted, never drafted, right?
I mean, even last year, Daniel Jones and Anthony Richardson
were not getting drafted in in a lot of early drafts until it
became clear who the starter was gonna Daniel Jones was like
completely undrafted for like a lot of of of the summer last
year. So I think the only thing that's
hard, Pat. About 3 quarterbacks in the
window is just that window so narrow.
And then there's also a lot of the good wide receivers there we
mentioned, like the Downs and Reed and Casey Concepcion.
The tight end values are there as well.
So it's almost like you just got to go like Bam, bam, bam hit it
3 rounds in a row to capture the best ones in that pocket.
I mean that that's the only thing I think that's going to be
really powerful is. Basically what I think, I think
doing that will be really good, you know, but you're right, we
it might not be common enough to be dominant is when is when
Malik Willis. Runs 155 times this season and
is is the only quarterback after the window who actually provides
like significant upside. Yeah, I I'm the only one.
Who believes I? Know I know they say Malik
Willis is my Dejon Sterling. I I'm I'm alone if you if you
had to. Pick one quarterback.
After the window, you can define the window however you like.
I'll define it as Baker Who? Who would be your who?
Who would be the guy that you would pick?
I will. I will go with Cameron Ward.
Yeah, I'm going Malik Willis all day.
It's Stroud easily for. Me.
I'm looking at AD PS here. So after, after Baker, I well,
I'll say at cost, not just straight.
Up. Yeah, I'll.
I'll say, I'll say. Bryce Young Get the cheapest
well 4. 4. Different.
Answers. Yeah.
I'll I'll give de. Crane, you're the one who just
said Ward Stroud. I said Ward I.
Promise. You patched never said a good
word of a he would never say. He would never say Ward, I
think. He might not ruin.
If if my if my answer wasn't. Willis it it would be it would
be Ward, because Ward you can get the correlated giga ceiling
of well, if Ward is really good, then that means one of like
Ridley or Helm or one of these giga cheap guys is like smashing
their draft cost and that really helps.
Yeah, I I still pat like you. Were the biggest bear on Cam
Ward last year. You were just like everyone,
shut up. He's awful, he's awful, he's
awful. And now like, you got the
Carnell Tate enthusiasm. You're in on on Ward a little
bit. I remember I picked Stroud.
I didn't. Pick Ward in this.
I know, I know. So yeah.
So give. Me a little.
You know, I I get slammed usually for being too bearish on
Ward. I saw Nate Tice was putting
together some some clips about Ward looking good and his
receivers dropping the ball, running the wrong route
together. Scam Ward clips.
Yeah, I mean I. Don't think he's.
As bad as he showed last year? I don't, but it's, well, he
better not because he was like shudder.
Sanders, Ben. I'm just like the guy who
reminds people. Like, hey, but can we talk about
how like bad he was? Like getting a little better is
not going to do it. He needs to get a lot better.
But yeah, I mean, I get I get wanting to bet on him and you'd
certainly can see like Ward plus Tate plus pick the correct
running back plus Gunner helm being like a really.
Powerful. Stack.
Yeah, I do. Jester Gooner.
I can certainly. See that?
The other guy I would say, though, after Stroud would
probably be Daniel Jones. Yeah, you're talking like late
season. He's stackable as well.
Stackable. Pat warms bet, many are saying.
I don't mean I think Patrick Holmes bets.
Better, but Downs is, you know, a great pick.
As we discussed, Jonathan Taylor, I take right there in
the middle of the first when I get that's a Keaney 70.
Two, you go. You go to camp, obviously.
Nick Westbrook Aquin will be a great one.
When BBMDB gets fully updated and you like search like Nick
Westbrook Aquin and there's some sick fuck who took them 47 times
How? Like how much is the vein?
In your forehead going to throb when you read the preseason Week
1 Nathan Yankee article. Nick Westbrook Aquin takes 100%
of the snaps in 12 personnel and Yankee writes in the blurb.
Josh Downs has been regularly drafted throughout the summer,
while Nick Westbrook Akinet has hardly been clicked.
However, he projects as the clear wide receiver 2 for
Indianapolis and their ADP should flip.
Yeah, classic. It's coming.
I decided to get spicy. I said zero RB.
Kind of piggybacking on a few things with no rookies 0.
Running back with no rookies, I don't have a holistic approach.
I'm attacking each one of these slides in a bag 0RB with.
Travis Hunter but no rookies? Yes.
What's the 0RB? Room of this.
No, rookie 0RB. No, it holds you.
Justice Hill is. Involved that much I could tell
you I did. Tamajay P.
Ryan Amari D. Mercado, can you guys just let
me cosplay as Davis? For a second time non best ball
Bros it just have my things all not make sense with that's my.
Bit Pete. My bit, but it's so we.
Wear the wig if you're gonna do this.
So if you're gonna zero RB thing it.
Feels awful right now, but like we said earlier, come August are
we ripe for a Kyron Williams type situation?
We have a lot of ambiguous backfields.
We could all of a sudden really start to like how some of these
are shaking up. You load up on these RB twos, we
finally get the running back injury apocalypse that has felt
delayed now for multiple years. The Javonte Williams, the
Bucky's, the Judkins. All those picks look like the
most dead zone ass picks in retrospect.
And it's actually the teams that have the wide receiver and tight
end firepower this year that surged to the finish line in a
tortoise hare type dynamic that no one saw coming.
And it takes down BBM. No one except for Pete.
Except for Pete. Justin, I'm I'm with you.
Prescient Pete. I'm I'm probably doing. 10.
Percent of my team's. Like.
Extreme extremes your running back like first running back
Tony Pollard first running back if we get if we.
Get to to fall more like the idea of like let's say it's like
your RB-1 is Tootin at 67, your RB2 is RJ Harvey at 88 You're
well, that's not actually how the pick 91.
I guess whatever your RB 3 is Jordan Mason, your RB4IS Rashad
White like now we have a bit of a ceiling floor combo.
I'm I'm intrigued, I'm intrigued.
Yep, Tooting in the 6th is your RB.
One would. Technically be yeah, 0 running
back so yeah, that that could be the key to this.
There you go, They had if. Facial.
Students a skeleton key to 2026. What a year I'd like to add.
One more I was. Talking about how fear based all
the drafters are, and I'm obviously right about it.
I'd like to add another list. I just wanted to point out I was
right. Just wanted to.
Point out I was right. It just, it just came to me.
Do you guys remember? Do you guys remember?
Drafting Trey Lance as the quarterback 5, then he gets
injured and benched and then he's the quarterback 10 in.
Fact. Do so like like we drafted.
Justin Fields top ten, we drafted Trey Lance top ten, we
drafted Anthony Richardson quarterback 5 like three years
in a row despite all the evidence and now we get we're
the same bet Malik Willis, we've said we're done, we're out,
we're not doing it anymore. We actually don't care.
Yeah, I think it is too similar of a.
Bet. So those bets that killed us
all? Well, why are we the one?
Thing I'll grant your. Point.
But I would say that if any of those players was priced to pick
130, it still would have been terrible.
I'm not. I'm not saying I'm not.
Saying it wasn't. I'm just saying what we all used
to believe in, like life and goodness and joy.
And now we look at a quarterback who projects for 150 rushes and
we're saying, dude, I better make sure to get Tyler Shock
here. Yeah, that's all I'm saying.
I the. Fairpoint.
Yeah, it's a fairpoint. I think the couple issues that I
have with Malik Willis would be one, the the Dolphins are like
outright tanking, right? Like this is not or maybe
Halfley's not fully you know, or or organizationally.
Yes, but like you know, like the team is not tanking like the the
players are going to try. They may not like believe.
They are tanking, but like, Halfley's going to it.
It seems clear to me that they're going to be very focused
on their terrible, awful defense is like the key to the, you
know, the team, their identity, and then they're going to run
the ball a time. It just reeks of Jets.
It reeks of like, let's get this game over with and we can both
go home, you know, and we honestly 20 to 13.
I literally don't. Remember I I straight?
Up do not remember where are we drafting fields last year I I
completely like this right next to Tyler he.
Was like about to pick 100 and and we've just we've all given.
Up we just we we're due we did it last year, but this is the
year we're we're done, we're done.
I think it's also just that the. The in the situation for these
other guys was more fun like Richardson had weapons and no
line. Lance had Kyle Shanahan and a
bunch of milk gazillion weapons fields.
At least you're like, you have Garrett Wilson.
Like Garrett Wilson, Dolphins have drafted.
We've also done it before if the Dolphins have been.
That guy from A. Fantasy perspective?
Yeah, he already had. Like if the Dolphins drafted.
Kyle Lemon. At pick. 11 And then they come
back in Round 2, they draft, I don't know, whoever else.
And maybe they signed Juan Jennings like Malik Wells at
least going a couple rounds higher.
Chris Bell would have been. Chris Bell would have.
Been a round one wide receiver without the ACL tear, right?
I mean, but he does. Have an ACL.
Tear. I just but you are in.
The chair, Blanche. I feel.
I feel betrayed by my slappy brethren, is what I'm saying.
It's like, it's like I'm, I'm the last Japanese soldier
fighting the war. 38 years after it's over.
I'm on. I'm on running Quarterback
Island. You know I'm saying running
Quarterback Island with you ETR. Are they?
Above on Yeah Levitan.
Was I was. On the market Mondays, Levitan's
all in on Malik Willis. So like we, the slappies have
reverted. The slappies are on the Shuck
demon and Oh my God, and you and you and ETR are on Malik.
Did I? Did I?
Horseshoe theory. Around to drafting like Leoni,
like I I finally went. I went so far left.
I've come all the way around. I mean, I haven't even looked.
Let's look at what the Mike Clay projection is like.
I haven't heard. Leoni's take.
Either way, this feels like March 80P chasing.
If we're pulling up the Mike Clay projection, Malik Willis
for one. 105 rushes, 553 or 543 rushing yards, 3 rushing
touchdowns. Right?
That actually feels under that feels like I I was.
Going to say that feels that feels very light.
To me, yeah. Well, I mean.
Part of the reason that in a season long projection you might
not have him projecting for a ton of raw stats is that he
could get benched. This dude he's peaked at 7179
drop backs so looking at it I. Actually.
Think it is I I think it's. Actually very.
Low play volume as a team, which I totally agree.
It's probably the most likely thing.
Yeah, I agree. But I mean, yeah, I think.
This is a new staff and this team's not going to win a lot of
games and they don't have weapons.
Their only real weapon is a Chan.
So it's like, yeah, they're going to run a bunch and Willis
will run a lot and I think he'll score pretty well.
But it's more to me, it's like he comes with floor from a
weekly scoring perspective. But the ceiling is actually a
little hard for me to see because they don't have any
receivers and I don't think they're going to throw a lot and
they won't generate any touchdowns.
Can we generate touchdowns? Can we do a?
Thought Can we do a thought experiment?
I'm going to I'm going to describe a player's stat line
and and their situation and I want you to tell me if you think
that this player is comparable to Malik Willis.
This player started 15 games. His team went 3 and 12 in those
games. His adjusted yards per attempt
was 6.6. He was sacked on 14% of his drop
backs do you think? That player would have been a
good fantasy. Player or a bad fantasy player?
I'm guessing that's year 2. Justin Fields.
That's year 2, Justin Fields. That's.
The ceiling, that's the only way that I end up being right about
it, is that basically the team totally sucks and the coaches
say like, whatever it is what it is, let the kid do his thing.
Fields fields win. Nuts that year, I think the
problem you have with Willis. You know, compared to a Justin
Fields is that he wasn't a first round pick by that organ, you
know, by the people who were making that decision, right?
This is a kind of a stopgap quarterback they brought in.
He's assigned a three-year deal, 45. $1,000,000 guaranteed.
So like he is kind of like, but it's more like, I'll push back
on one thing. They're not going.
To bench him for like Quinn Newers, I, I think it would he'd
have to be heard. I don't think he gets benched
for something. I think he's very fieldsy I I
think. You know, this is like Fields
with The Jets last year where he could become, you know, a backup
for them when they draft a rookie early.
They probably, they probably haven't restructured a stay.
But yeah, I mean, it's like it'd be nice if Willis works, but if
he doesn't work, then you don't have a ton of incentives to push
it because you actually just want to get a new quarterback in
the draft. I'd also say that Fields.
Last year is a reasonable comp because I think, you know, most
people outside of the most committed defenders kind of
figured we knew what Fields was by that point.
But most of these guys are comping them to like Richardson
early in his career, Lance early in his career, Fields early in
his career. We were hoping would actually
just be like awesome players, right?
I mean, these were guys that were drafted top ten that were.
Young that we didn't know. Much about and we were like, not
only could they be like a fantasy scam as a floor, but
maybe they're just elite quarterbacks.
You know, anything's possible. I mean, it's possible for Willis
too, I suppose. But I think based on, you know,
not the same level of pedigree, he has had some nice games in
very low volume throwing spots for Green Bay.
But I think there's less way less confidence and reasonably
way less confidence in like what he is as a player versus any of
those guys. Feels last year on The Jets may
be more similar in terms of the outlook.
But he was going, yeah. I mean, he's going about 20
picks higher, 30 picks higher. Turned out that was bad.
And also he had Gary Wilson. All right.
Which? Underdog user.
Wins best ball mania 2 of you selected Jacob Sanderson Davis
Davis Oh my God Davis. He's statistically the most.
Likely. Like he's the he's statistically
the most probabilistic person to win.
I'm not sure if that's the right use of.
Probabilistic, but that's. It's like fake stats.
It's like you can lot. It's like it's like a a bad,
like a bad syllogism. Like to do like a Wittgenstein
thing of like someone has to win the lottery.
You are someone there for you'll win the lottery.
Like Peter Overzech's Co host always win best ball mania.
Jacob Sanderson is a Peter Overzech Co host.
Therefore, well, that's best ball mania.
That's why I. Think shows so many.
Co hosts is the most. Likely because.
What I stipulated here was that this is actually on shops
account but live drafted on ADP chasing when I'm not there and
you guys replace me that week with SAC and Draco so we.
Get just the every other Co house.
Just to get that, holy shit. Wouldn't that be something So we
all. Get like we all get like 100
and. 70,000 post tax. It's like it's like it's like we
didn't even win. Hey I got about 260 with the.
Exchange rate. So yeah, yeah, Pat said.
Show. Jacob, you want to defend
picking your yourself? Pretty narcissistic bro.
You dress for the job you want, I mean.
Come on. Clearly in that headshot I found
too. That was my student.
Union President. Headshot, I was going to say
that's the one I always use for. Jacob on thumbnails because it's
so well lit. Yeah, that one was, yeah.
That was that was on. The on the plasma TV screens at
school for I had the University of Manitoba for a couple of
years. Is that your Levitan photo?
Are you gonna have that? As your headshot 20 years from
now? Yes, exactly.
Yeah, you, you were really saved.
Jacob because as Pat. Knows and and Sam, some of the
old school ship chasing contributors back when I was
doing the thumbnails, I would go to Pat's Facebook page and I
would find photos of him like in high school to to add 'cause I
was so desperate for news, let me tell you actually.
Horrendous. Photos of me on my Facebook
page. That that would not go well.
Corrine, it would be great if I could.
Stop using the same FFPC hoodie picture of you and Peter next to
each other. It'd be great.
Where did you get the? You got a new picture.
For best ball breakfast this week, I look extremely hungover.
I look like I'm trying. If I just think about it hard
enough, I won't be home. I haven't made a thumbnail in
three years. Chris is Chris is grabbing
those. Oh man.
OK, Yeah. Chris did ask.
For new pictures which I haven't provided you, will you send?
Will you send you one? Too.
When you get it, please. Yeah, yeah.
Like I if I could tell you how. Many times I've spent looking at
your fucking face next to Peter trimming it out doing like oh OK
up to the high res increase, increase the saturation,
decrease the green tint cause for some reason this photo is so
washed out and green this is. This is modern male friendship.
It's like, hey, man, could you, could you like send me some
pictures so I can put them on my YouTube thumbnails?
YouTube thumbnails, Yeah. I've had.
On my To Do List. New photo shoot for Chris.
I kid you not for like. A year.
And I never get to it and I fucking have to do it.
At the at the at the flock. Meet up this summer when we're
going down for the flock league. One of the one of the days is
professional thumbnail photos. That's like the whole Oh my God,
Oh my God. Wow, can we can we add that to
are? We doing that at ship at the
ship chasing. Austin yeah, we can tell who
pays more because. Davis is going to the Flock
league meet up but not the the ship chasing.
Wow. Well, like I said, I'm not.
I'm not 100. Percent in yet and if I don't do
they're literally back-to-back weekend so there's no chance I'm
home. Are they with a with an 8 month
old baby? So if I don't get in the flock
league I will be at the ship chasing meet up.
If I am in the flock league I will.
I'm sorry guys I will not be there.
I will give a sincere. That's fair.
I, I kind of hope, I mean I, I do hope you don't get in the
flock league now because you can still go and say hi to Mason.
It's in Austin. You'll, you'll be fine.
You know, it's just, it's very bizarre that you.
Guys like, well, just don't go home.
Just. I've already I've already met
Pat so. Like that's not even really
appealing. But I've never met you.
Hey, hey, you. You got the baby for two weeks.
You good? I will help.
Like, yeah, I'm. I'm trying to imagine how that
conversation's like as the years go on.
Hanging out with Davis in New York City, like, seems like it
was a dream. Like it that seems impossible to
have happened. Man, I'm so glad I am really so.
Glad I did that. Like looking back on like what?
Like what an amazing, like what a fun experience that was.
Who didn't? Yeah, I had to.
Twist your arm for. Two weeks.
I'm scared of a big city. That reminds me again if you.
Guys are YouTube members we've we've pinned it in the discord.
There's also a post for YouTube members on on YouTube with a
form to fill out. We're going to have details on a
room block so everybody can get discounted room pricing and if
you guys you can book your own accommodations and we'll have
details about drafting on Saturday we'll have a bunch of
live drafts at a bar. Let me actually reword this I.
I will I I'm going to try and go.
I I really I really will try and go even like even assuming both
I I really will like I I really I'm also taking a fucking two
week trip in July, so like going to like.
All the national. Parks out.
West here with with with my 8 month old.
Baby. So like I like I might just be,
I might be dead at that point. Like I might just not, I might
not have any will to live left at the end of that point.
We'll see how how flying you guys fall in with your kids.
How does that go? Honestly, it's gone.
Really, well, I think we kind of lucked out with the way the
naps, like she actually napped on the plane and stuff.
But yeah, she's been good to travel with.
We're taking April on an international.
Red eye flight a week from yesterday, so I'm actually not
gonna be. Here for.
Ship chasing next week, so I'll check in with you guys.
Well, I'll see you like in a month.
Then Peter, I'm here next. I'm here next.
Week for all the shows, then I'm.
Then I'm then I'm off for. For a little while.
OK, yeah, we'll we'll get our we'll get.
Our ducks in a row. The one nice thing for sure, you
guys will have ADP chasing on Tuesday.
I'm sure reacting to some of the schedule stuff and how that
impacts it. We might be be off for a couple
weeks or at least one week while I'm out and we'll figure it out
with with Jacob's schedule. Machu Picchu, that sounds
awesome. Looking forward to it, anything
else for you guys here? Before we head out, usual.
He's dribbling about. Stribling.com.
Stribling, Oh, someone had scribbling.
About Stribling with scribbling about stribling in the chat.
I think stribling about stribling is better.
Because it really just emphasizes how much focus
there's been on Dijon's Stribling.
He's got to be maybe the most mentioned rookie in the history
of the program. Like like Portional to the size
of his career. Well, if you.
Depend on who you ask, on how size, how that size career will
be. If you ask Pat, you know, he's
kind of like a bit of Calvin Johnson mixed with Randy Moss.
Per days in the league. I mean.
He you know that that kind of works out in in your favor maybe
where the most talk per days spent in the NFL.
He could be an Alzheimer Beautiful.
Yeah. Any other?
Plugs from you guys, I mean big big.
Plug for us, Peter, we are doing a special edition of the swirl
cast tomorrow where we are doing the Swirl Cutta.
If any of you guys are members of Swirlies only let Dave know
and you can get. I mean, obviously we don't
probably want it to be that big because there's only 27
contestants, but if you really want to be in to if you really
want to get in that. So special edition of that
tomorrow at 2:30 Eastern Time. Yeah, Yep.
And. That'll that'll be fun.
I will. I will host because I cannot,
you know, as a producer and and host, I cannot, you know, give
my biases on on that. So we probably need.
At least Mood said he's in. So we probably need at least two
more people. Yeah, 55 is 5 is probably good.
Yeah, yeah, that'll be very. Fun I'm doing I think.
Yeah, What do you got, Pat? That's fair.
Tomorrow with. Sam Sherman on legendary upside
channel. So check that out.
Those have been very fun, beautiful as I said last time,
if you. Guys are on.
Spotify always nice to rate and review us over there the the
ship chasing. I think I told you guys this but
the ship chasing listeners on Spotify are close to eclipsing
the YouTube like the yeah people.
People are. Digging the the Spotify stuff,
so shout out to all of our Spotify heads.
We appreciate you guys if you become I'm a YouTube member,
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down below. Enjoy the NFL schedule release,
happy drafting, all that good stuff and we'll see you guys
Tuesday for ADP Chasing peace.