1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:06,120 Hello everyone and welcome to the final ADP chasing show of 2 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:07,880 the season. We have a lot in store Today 3 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:10,680 we're going to be going over the results from the closing line 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:17,120 value ADP game, revealing our truth serum takes and some plans 5 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:22,400 for in season ADP chasing. Details will be given at the end 6 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:24,200 of the show. Let's do it. 7 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,520 ADP chasing is for when you watch ship chasing you go these 8 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,160 guys are just football guys. And the targets for outrun 9 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:32,680 leagues, that's going to be really nice, actually. 10 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,040 Back in if it's Austinette. It's tear into our crystal ball. 11 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:38,280 Close your eyes, you know all your entries are going to lose. 12 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:40,360 Anyway, yeah. That's fair. 13 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:41,720 This is a Deuce vant show. It's. 14 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,560 Anti cabal. It's anti the best ball thought 15 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:46,720 leader. I'm obviously lying to some 16 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,320 degree because like, I have a lot of both of these guys. 17 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:51,720 It's the most disgusting thing you can make. 18 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:59,520 But man. Well fellas, it's been a long 19 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:02,160 season of ADP Chasing. I think I was digging through 20 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,440 the episodes today. We started this back in February 21 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:08,720 with the leg up editions of ADP chasing. 22 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,880 I had to pick through been been 6-7 months of doing this. 23 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:15,640 It's been great. How are you guys doing now? 24 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:17,560 The season's almost at the start. 25 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,120 Not enough time, man, Not enough time honestly. 26 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:28,920 Is, is is is what I feel like it's, it's just I still have a 27 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,840 couple DraftKings Millie makers left to do. 28 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,520 I still have one more main event left to do. 29 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:40,080 But also at the same time, it's like I also need to figure out 30 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:45,240 like week 1 DFS, like week 1 DF, like I we are, we are 48 hours 31 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:49,480 away from a showdown slate that I will risk hundreds of American 32 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,880 dollars on. And I haven't even logged in to 33 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:54,840 SIM labs yet to start working on it. 34 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,880 So it's just has a lot going on at at one time. 35 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:02,720 It is. I'm like trying to do more 55 36 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,360 fives, but I'm also trying to write the walkthrough. 37 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,680 So it's like a weird like I'm thinking about week one. 38 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:10,880 I'm thinking about the season still. 39 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,000 Yeah, could use a little more. If anyone knows how to add more 40 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:19,080 time I'm interested. Yeah, and also give me some 41 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,600 comments that my audio. I I think you fixed. 42 00:02:22,640 --> 00:02:25,080 It is it OK now? Yeah, I think you. 43 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,800 Fixed it. Yeah, Full disclosure today I am 44 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,640 streaming off of a hotspot on my phone. 45 00:02:31,640 --> 00:02:34,920 Do not have Wi-Fi set up in the new apartment, so we could be in 46 00:02:34,920 --> 00:02:39,280 for a wild ride today. The city of Boston, I think has 47 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:43,320 good coverage for AT&T, but that's an issue we can take up 48 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:45,680 with them if if things go. South I've I've streamed, I've 49 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,400 done it before off my hotspot, not as the not as the host, but 50 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:53,040 I I've connected via hotspot before and it it's fine. 51 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,160 Yeah. I mean, we're, we're not a show 52 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,200 that's known for our production quality. 53 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,800 We're more kind of known. For I'm in a shed right now, so, 54 00:03:01,920 --> 00:03:04,680 you know, Yeah. Yeah. 55 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,600 No. I I'm just glad I have a better 56 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:08,720 background than someone on the show. 57 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,280 Finally, the the blank wall is finally being to rest the 58 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,120 grandmas China is being put to rest. 59 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:18,880 I have a have a real adult background going on now, so I'm 60 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:23,080 happy, happy for that. All right, guys, let's let's 61 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:24,520 dive in. I said an intro. 62 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:27,560 Three things we're covering today, the closing line value 63 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,520 game, then the truth serum takes, and then we'll talk at 64 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:34,200 the end about our plans for what we're doing in season. 65 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,120 We'll start here with the closing line value game. 66 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,480 I absolutely hate to show this again. 67 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:46,600 It's just, it's just devastating eternity. 68 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:51,840 Pat just absolutely dominating once again. 69 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:54,960 Yeah, actually it was close. I would say absolutely 70 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:56,480 dominating. Pat came to 1st year. 71 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,200 He got an average ADP change of 10%. 72 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:04,480 I got 7%, so I was close and then, yeah. 73 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:09,320 And, and Sam, I'm just curious, you asked if we should just, you 74 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:13,000 know, eliminate guys who went to IR with the caveat that it would 75 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,320 help you. Would you have won if we if if 76 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,519 Davis had signed off on that? We'll we'll get to that later. 77 00:04:18,519 --> 00:04:21,880 Pat, I, I, I won't be talking about the results of this this 78 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,680 show. So anyone just focus on? 79 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:26,920 Dave hey, can we change the rules so I win or or? 80 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:31,640 Well, it's actually crazy. This is so funny that I would 81 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,960 have done this because I would assume if I would have just read 82 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,880 my own underdog exposures, considering that all of them 83 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,360 absolutely smashed, I would have just won this game. 84 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,640 Like if I would have just taken Chase Brown and Rashi Rice, 85 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,400 Enrico Dowdell and Xavier Worthy, like I would have just 86 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,840 won this game. So I guess I guess I need to to 87 00:04:48,840 --> 00:04:51,720 learn myself. I need to learn Matic to win 88 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,120 this game next year. That's about the that was my 89 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,440 first day wishes. It's really been the the summer 90 00:04:56,440 --> 00:05:00,240 of Davis, just all of his takes, the takes even most public 91 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,200 about. I've just smashed closing line 92 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,480 value. So I don't know what happened. 93 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,160 The pressure of the closing line value game got to you in the 94 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,600 heat of the moment, but you really choked here in some of 95 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:11,960 the selections. If you just stuck with your 96 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,200 guys, you I think. I wonder, I bet, I, I bet I took 97 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:19,000 Kamani Videl at one point and he's like a 90% loser. 98 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:20,920 Like I, I, I must have had a couple. 99 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:26,720 I want I but I maybe took Rondale once, but I I'm just 100 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:28,440 trying to think of guys. I'm trying to think of guys I 101 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:30,400 would have taken that I would have lost Marshawn Lloyd. 102 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:32,480 Yeah, that's a bad one, obviously so. 103 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,080 So here are here are the results. 104 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,840 Yeah, you did take, did I? Put Rashi Rice at some point 105 00:05:37,840 --> 00:05:39,120 too. No. 106 00:05:39,280 --> 00:05:43,840 So if someone can go to the tapes and and find that there 107 00:05:43,840 --> 00:05:47,280 was a point where I so I took Rashi Rice, I didn't even take 108 00:05:47,280 --> 00:05:49,960 him at his lowest point. And you guys both criticized me 109 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,080 for, you know, taking him when he was going to fall even 110 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:54,200 further. But I think everyone just forgot 111 00:05:54,280 --> 00:05:57,480 to take him again so. I thought I took him the next 112 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:01,360 week but maybe I'm wrong. Yeah, there's possible. 113 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,160 I did this by literally going through each episode 1 by 1 and 114 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,000 tracking them. Possible. 115 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,520 Honestly, I don't think I did though. 116 00:06:09,280 --> 00:06:13,560 But yeah, Rashe Rice, that was the biggest victory for me. 117 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:17,200 I mean, again, Pat just just took a bunch of cheap wins. 118 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:21,120 I mean, Ezekiel Elliott on the first the first week after he 119 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:22,360 signed. These are all good ticks. 120 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,400 Come on, man. Like try try to help the 121 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:27,560 listeners out. Just don't take the the easy. 122 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,320 It was Ezekiel. It was a pretty solid pick 123 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,440 actually. Justin Fields. 124 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,160 Justin Fields was half right. There was like a week where he 125 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,040 was like a 14th round pick. I'm I'm looking at this list and 126 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,720 I'm like, OK, Bidel, easy loss. Curtis Samuel obviously was a 127 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,200 winner, but then injuries his toe. 128 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:48,280 So it's it's pretty obvious to me why I did not do good, why I 129 00:06:48,280 --> 00:06:50,320 did not do well this game. And I took Zeke at her at the 130 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,400 wrong time too. Yeah, this is funny too. 131 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,080 Yeah, as the points out, Zeke is on both ends. 132 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:57,480 Back, back on Zeke. It's the second best value. 133 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:02,480 Davis got him as the third worst value in this game, so you hate 134 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:03,640 to see it. There's some other funny things, 135 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:07,560 like at one point Davis took Curtis Samuel in back-to-back 136 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,480 weeks. I think Pat also took like 137 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,320 Travis Kelsey multiple times. There are a couple weird things 138 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,200 where like we were not tracking. Can you make one of those rushy 139 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:17,560 rice? Because I'm sure that's what I 140 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:18,560 meant. That's what. 141 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:20,520 I wanted to do Yeah, no, no. So here's the. 142 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,040 Deal next year we need to be more locked in on this it needs 143 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,760 to be a wager that all of us are yeah yeah, locked in on we. 144 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,160 Need to track it as we go to know who we did have a. 145 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,280 Wager. Yeah, we had a wager last year 146 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,720 and I tracked it as we go. We we messed up this year by not 147 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,040 having a wager because it really just slept with the cracks, but. 148 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:41,040 I mean, if you guys want to put stakes on this thing, I won. 149 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,040 I have a couple of rule changes I'd like to propose before we 150 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:49,320 put stakes on that. But because I want to point out, 151 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,600 it's like, I think it's pretty clear I had the best process 152 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:53,840 here. I mean, you look at you look at 153 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:58,160 these 3 picks, my two worst picks, Elijah Mitchell and Ricky 154 00:07:58,160 --> 00:07:59,960 Pearsall, one of them literally got shot. 155 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:04,040 The other went on IRI mean we're counting, we're counting those 156 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:05,680 two against me. I I don't think so. 157 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:10,000 And then Semaj P Ryan, I only got, I only got the increase up 158 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,840 to 280P because when BBM closed, he was at 280P. 159 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,320 If you take his actual increase to like what he's going to be, 160 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,960 you know, when the season starts, that pick gets a lot 161 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:21,640 better. So. 162 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:23,520 That's true. You did get robbed on that one. 163 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:25,720 Yeah. I don't know that that Perisol 164 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:27,920 really cost you that much because he had already fallen a 165 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:28,880 lot. He already. 166 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,880 Fallen even before he got shot. It was not, it was a bet on Nuke 167 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:33,280 getting traded and he didn't get traded. 168 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,720 So I think that one's a little, but I'll give you the P Ryan. 169 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:38,799 P Ryan, you should get a little bit more. 170 00:08:38,799 --> 00:08:42,400 I would say maybe about 2% more. We can give you an extra 2%. 171 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,440 You can go to 9. Yeah. 172 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:51,200 But anyways, yeah, I mean, all I'm saying is if if my guy 173 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,640 didn't get shot and we had a couple more days to be, I think 174 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,680 it's a lot closer. Any other, any other reflections 175 00:08:56,680 --> 00:08:58,720 on this? I mean, I was actually, I was 176 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:04,080 impressed by Pat. I think 5 of the top 9 risers. 177 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,360 Here, I mean, Pat Pat taking Chase Brown. 178 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,120 Pat taking Chase Brown is just like that's trademark 179 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:13,080 infringement right there. Like I or or honestly maybe I, I 180 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,600 have reached this spot with Chase Brown where it's like I 181 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,840 actually have so much exposure to him. 182 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:19,440 I think I've got him on three main events. 183 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,480 I've got him on three big dogs. He was my most drafted running 184 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:26,440 back in BBMI. I've now reached the fear stage 185 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,160 of being this exposed to a player of like, if this dude 186 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,640 comes out and and fumbles against New England, like it's 187 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,360 just gonna, it's just gonna be so brutal for me. 188 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:39,160 Like I, I, I, I kinda just wanna quietly reap the benefits. 189 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,440 I I'm not gonna feel the need to victory lap a strong Week 1 190 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,240 Chase performance 'cause I know how fragile. 191 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,200 Oh yeah, you definitely won't. Victory lap a strong Chase Brown 192 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,400 Week 1 performance TS Brown crushes we won't hear. 193 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,240 From Davis at all I put no listen, I put this in discord. 194 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,520 I put this in the in the ship chasing discord earlier. 195 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,720 The only guy I'm going to victory lap is when Worthy 196 00:09:57,720 --> 00:09:59,320 scores a long touchdown against the Ravens. 197 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,120 That's it. Everyone else we're I'm just 198 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:02,920 along for the ride. I'm here to disseminate 199 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,920 information, but worthy when Worthy scores. 200 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,520 Along comes down. I don't believe this at all. 201 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:10,880 I can't wait for to explain what what you don't. 202 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,920 The reason I did 10-3 laps actually what you don't 203 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,920 understand. I was just sharing information. 204 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:20,320 It's not, it's not a victory lap. 205 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,280 I'm just trying to disseminate information to my fault. 206 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:23,840 I. Can do it. 207 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,880 The victory lap thing. Yeah. 208 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:30,480 Yeah, you're obviously lying to some degree. 209 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:37,840 I believe, I believe the because I did 2 actually Davis, I did 2 210 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,080 copyright infringements here, Chase Brown, clear copyright 211 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:44,000 infringement, but also Braylon Allen and even more egregious 212 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:46,640 brand infringement on on you there. 213 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,760 But I believe I let you pick first in both of those. 214 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,000 I I wanted to see if you would take your guy. 215 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,080 You didn't. You know, someone, someone in 216 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,240 the chat made this point earlier, which is that it's kind 217 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,920 of hard for me to be in tune with these guys that I was 218 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:04,160 getting massive CLV on because I was just taking them at their 219 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,920 new price anyways. Like I was taking Braylon out in 220 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:09,040 the 15th round when he was an 18th round pick. 221 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,640 So it, it maybe I was a little bit out of tune with who would 222 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:16,400 be a riser because I was just taking them there anyway. 223 00:11:16,560 --> 00:11:21,680 So, but I mean, you started out being agnostic on Braille and 224 00:11:21,680 --> 00:11:24,040 Allen, you were you when we were doing these shows in February, 225 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:25,280 you were, you were not a believer. 226 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:27,960 So I'm I'm glad that you came around in the end. 227 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:31,960 I did. I mean, he had a really strong 228 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,600 offseason throughout. I mean, even in the early, like 229 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,600 before training camp, OTAs and stuff, he was getting positive 230 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,720 press and I thought Izzy would get cut. 231 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,120 I, I think in some ways it wasn't as bullish as it could 232 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:44,560 have been, but it was still pretty damn bullish. 233 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:47,840 Yeah. All right. 234 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:52,320 So that that'll do it for this closing line value segment. 235 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:57,200 Yeah, at I will give him credit. Use the repeat two times winner 236 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:01,040 of this game, but I don't I mean Davis and I clearly weren't even 237 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:02,160 trying. There was no stakes. 238 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,160 So I mean. You weren't trying, so no. 239 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:06,600 Gave the whole model just a. Bad. 240 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:08,680 I was trying what I what I picked Greg Dulcich. 241 00:12:08,680 --> 00:12:11,600 If I was trying, I mean. A bad a bad effort by me to 242 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,960 select Curtis Samuel twice. Just like a really bad effort by 243 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:20,000 me. Honestly though, like so not the 244 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,120 flavor at this point, but all of the losers here are just like 245 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,040 guys who got injured. Like actually, I think the 246 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,320 Curtis Samuel thing was trending in the right direction for you, 247 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,280 Davis until. The he got up to like wide 248 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:31,960 receiver 44 for a week and then he hurt his toe. 249 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,360 Yeah, I think the Herbert momentum was stopped by that 250 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,040 planter fascia thing, the Marshawn Lloyd thing. 251 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:42,000 So a lot, a lot of these losses, Pearsall, Mitchell too, can be 252 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,080 chalked up to injury. But anyways. 253 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:47,960 When did you pick Jaleel that? That's a good one. 254 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:53,840 That was an early one. Let me get the date on that. 255 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:55,080 That's. One of my third ones on here. 256 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:02,280 The Jaleel 1 I got in, sorry, I have this organized everybody. 257 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,280 I got him on May 13th at an ADP of 181. 258 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,440 So I'm, I feel pretty good about that one. 259 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,400 That's a really good one. Yeah. 260 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,600 This is this is neither here nor there, but this is I just got an 261 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,280 e-mail notification that Ben Gretch, in the dynasty league 262 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:21,240 that we are in, just dropped Cadarius Tony for Mack Hollins. 263 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:25,240 Just imagine telling yourself that sentence at this time last 264 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:29,040 year. That is brutal. 265 00:13:29,560 --> 00:13:32,920 Oh my God. All right, take the. 266 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,240 We'll go, yeah, let's do the truth here and pick. 267 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,320 So I'll set this up a little bit. 268 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:41,360 I don't I don't have hey Mark parts show actually video charts 269 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,680 for one of my sticks, but no more fancy charts. 270 00:13:44,680 --> 00:13:47,440 For the most part, we're going to go through three truth serum 271 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,960 takes each of us. One of them is going to be a 272 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:55,160 player take truth serum. One of them is going to be a 273 00:13:55,160 --> 00:14:00,120 team level take truth serum, and the last one is going to be a 274 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,960 roster construction level take truth serum. 275 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,560 Like I don't know elite quarterback is the nuts this 276 00:14:05,560 --> 00:14:08,600 year or zero RB sucks this year whatever something along those 277 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:12,760 lines so we'll start something along those lines yeah no, I 278 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:18,520 would never say that, but let's start here with the player take 279 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,120 truth serum Davis. Can I the? 280 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,720 Floor, can we can we talk a little bit about the truth 281 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:25,680 serum, what we're doing here 'cause? 282 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:27,120 Yeah, yeah, maybe. Yeah, yeah. 283 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,440 My my take on truth serum and I guess maybe you guys should. 284 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:34,680 I just want the people to be aware of what I'm coming from. 285 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:35,880 And maybe you guys have a slightly different 286 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,200 interpretation. But my thing on truth serum is 287 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,720 it's not hot take serum. It's I don't really want to give 288 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:45,560 this take, but you gave me truth serum and asked me for a take 289 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:48,760 and now I have to serum. So these aren't like necessarily 290 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,360 my hottest takes. They're just things I don't 291 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,440 really want to say. The I I do it the same way. 292 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,560 It's a take that I don't really want to say on a podcast, but 293 00:14:57,560 --> 00:14:59,520 influence the way that I drafted teams. 294 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:04,320 I same thing for me, I, I interpreted as like a take that 295 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:10,600 is not necessarily popular or, or you're afraid that if you're 296 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,000 wrong about it, you're going to look really stupid. 297 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,120 Maybe that's another way to put it. 298 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,120 But yeah, it's not just the hottest take. 299 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,440 It's something that you actually believe, but maybe you weren't 300 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:24,080 super vocal about or wanted to talk about throughout the 301 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,840 season. So that's mostly how I interpret 302 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,320 mine. So we'll start here with the 303 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:34,360 player take true serum. I've just injected you with true 304 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:36,240 serum. What do you got? 305 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:42,200 Mine is that Marvin Harrison Junior is probably one of the 306 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:47,240 most spectacularly overdrafted players in the history of the 307 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,080 longest basketball mania has been happening, and the only 308 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:53,680 reason that anyone drafted him was because they didn't want to 309 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:55,720 be the guy who had no Marvin Harrison Junior. 310 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,520 If he smashes in the fantasy Super Bowl playoffs, that the 311 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:02,200 key difference between drafting, for example, Jamar Chase's 312 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:06,200 rookie season or even compare him to where neighbors is going 313 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:10,320 or where a Doonesday is going is that you are just straight up 314 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:13,800 passing over guys who could score like 300 fantasy points. 315 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,160 Just like you're just like Debo Samuel. 316 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,480 No thank you. Devante Adams out of here, 317 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:22,200 Crystal Nicole Collins. How about Nick? 318 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,920 How about just going over Nico Collins, who had like 3.3 yards 319 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,520 per route run last year, is playing with a guy who's like 320 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:32,320 third in MVP voting and we're just like, no, we need this 321 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:36,200 rookie wide receiver. I mean, I like Marvin Harrison 322 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:37,640 junior. I think I ended up with a nice 323 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:42,280 comfy 4% exposure blanket. But I think it is, is very 324 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,920 unique to the type of people who spend a lot of time drafting on 325 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:49,040 underdog. And I, I think there's a real 326 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:54,320 chance he kind of ends up with 82 receptions, 980 yards and 327 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:58,760 like 5 touchdowns. 6 like a good rookie year, a rookie year that 328 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,720 five years ago we would have been like this guy is going to 329 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:06,560 take over the NFL top five dynasty asset but doesn't break 330 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:11,760 fantasy his his rookie year. I agree with that. 331 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,280 I actually I I was very strongly considering this for my truth 332 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,160 serum take. I didn't because I think I've, 333 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:17,960 I've been kind of public about it. 334 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:21,520 I'm with you 100%, Davis. And again, it has nothing to do 335 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,440 with hating Marvin Harrison Junior. 336 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:25,720 Nothing. Player or the prospect, I am in 337 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:29,320 full agreement with people that he's one of the top three 338 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,640 prospects to come out of the last decade, 15 years. 339 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:37,000 No, like no disagreement there. It's just that we we see in 340 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:38,720 fantasy and a lot of people have made this point. 341 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,600 I think Gratius made this point, others at Rhoda Vista made this 342 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:47,160 point, that the Year 2 and Year 3 performances at wide receiver 343 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,640 are generally just much better bets for like the elite 344 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:52,760 receiving production. You do have the examples, 345 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:56,320 obviously, of, you know, Chase rookie year, Puka rookie year. 346 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,440 But I think there's just so many, like, young wide receivers 347 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:03,520 in their prime on awesome offenses that you have to pass 348 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:07,320 up on to take Marvin Harrison, Nico Collins, Jalen Waddle, the 349 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,400 San Francisco 49ers wide receivers. 350 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:13,360 You're putting so much faith into a guy who's literally never 351 00:18:13,360 --> 00:18:16,400 done it on the NFL field and pass. 352 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,720 Everyone said like this, this second third round for wide 353 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:21,840 receivers is gross or it's a bad second round. 354 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,080 I kind of disagree. I think there's awesome wide 355 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,720 receiver talents in that range on awesome offenses. 356 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,200 So it's it's flat. It's flat, It's flat. 357 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,960 I agree that it's flat, but I don't think it's like, so I'm 358 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,560 with you. So I think I have like a 2% 359 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,800 Marvin Harrison junior, but I'm I'm totally with you on this 360 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:40,800 take. Crane. 361 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:42,600 I'd like to hear your thoughts on this one. 362 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:49,840 Yeah, to me the Harrison stuff represents like departure from 363 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:53,320 best ball, you know, best ball departing from redraft in terms 364 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,120 of like what what we're doing I think is a best ball pick and a 365 00:18:56,120 --> 00:18:59,520 best ball Mania style type tournament. 366 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,480 He makes, you know, plenty of sense at the, at the 1-2 turn of 367 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:08,360 the early 2nd because you are taking a guy who you know, if 368 00:19:08,360 --> 00:19:11,160 he, if he explodes, is like more likely to have that production 369 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:13,600 back weighted than and a veteran. 370 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,800 So that's, I think part of it for me is that, yeah, you're, 371 00:19:17,120 --> 00:19:23,360 you're not going to get like the you're, you're not betting to 372 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,280 score the most points over the course of the season. 373 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,080 You're betting for the guy who is the hammer in the play offs. 374 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:35,400 And maybe we've jumped the shark on that, but I I understand 375 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,760 making that bet with, you know, one of the best wide receiver 376 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:42,640 prospects ever with a good quarterback situation, you know, 377 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,000 potential dominate targets down the stretch, an offensive 378 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:49,320 coordinator we believe in. So it it's definitely like we'll 379 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:52,000 find we're going to find out. And I wouldn't be surprised if 380 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,120 you guys are right that like, Nope, 1-2 turns just too much. 381 00:19:55,120 --> 00:19:57,400 We should never take a rookie wide receiver with the 1-2 turn. 382 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,040 But I, I kind of like it. I like that the market never 383 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,480 backed off this take. I think we all felt like this 384 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,000 would kind of cool off or like it was like sticker shock from 385 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,920 the jump and it never cooled off, you know? 386 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,800 It it never cooled off because everyone is a coward. 387 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,560 It it never cooled off. It never cooled off because 388 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,280 everyone is too afraid to be on the record of being like, well, 389 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,760 I don't really like the greatest wide receiver prospect. 390 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,280 You know, it's like that. That is, and it's not like I'm 391 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:24,880 saying anyone who took him is bad. 392 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:28,320 Like I he, I think he's clearly such a a great talent and and he 393 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,720 took. Him I I have 13% Harrison I I I 394 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,160 think it could work. Like I think it's, it's not like 395 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:38,920 an absolute smash, but you're because of how I mean, it's just 396 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,760 really difficult to overstate how important the late season 397 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,600 scoring is. And so if I'm essentially I'm 398 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:49,440 sacrificing like some early season stuff, but then by the 399 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,040 end of the season I'm getting a guy who we're going to, who 400 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,240 we're going to take in the mid first round next year and I'm 401 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,360 getting that player down the stretch like it's worth the 402 00:20:57,360 --> 00:21:01,040 sacrifice. I just I do want to push back a 403 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:02,280 little bit. I think we have we have time to 404 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,400 debate these, the late season stuff. 405 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:08,720 Crane, I totally understand that thesis for rookie wide receivers 406 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,880 having back weighted production. But when you're talking about a 407 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:17,480 guy that goes at the 1-2 turn, I think of it like like, is Marvin 408 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:21,400 Harrison junior more likely to have spike weeks down the 409 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:25,440 stretch then Nico Collins, Jalen Waddle, Brandon Iuke, Devo 410 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,760 Samuel? Like I think of the back 411 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,040 weighted thing more so when I'm choosing between say, Xavier 412 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,440 Leggett and DeMarcus Robinson, I think it's way more likely the 413 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,480 rookie is going to have that production versus the veteran. 414 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:44,200 So to me, I always thought that that was a little bit of a, a 415 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:48,000 misappropriation of a thesis because I'm not sure applies. 416 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:53,280 We're expecting Marvin Harrison junior to be a full time 90% 417 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,880 player like week one, right? So yeah, that's where I'm like. 418 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,160 Yeah. Why is he going back into 419 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,680 production? I'm just a little bit unsure. 420 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:07,680 Because over time, you would anticipate that even as a guy 421 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,680 who's good enough to start producing right away that he 422 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,200 would, you know, like in the same way that we do see the 423 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:17,440 secondary breakouts in Year 2 and Year 3 for wide receivers 424 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,680 that maybe he's starting to like really come into his own down 425 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,920 the stretch. You know, he he is new to the 426 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,840 NFL. So in terms of target earning, I 427 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:30,080 think we could see him become a bigger part of the offense in 428 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:31,920 the second-half of the season compared to the first, even 429 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:33,520 though he's going to be a big part of the offense right away. 430 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:35,480 Yeah. OK. 431 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,440 Yeah, that, that makes sense. And yeah, last, last thing I'll 432 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,040 add here. Is that the the Davis point of 433 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,480 like, nobody wants to be out on the top rookie? 434 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,240 I just think that's an interesting dynamic. 435 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,320 And I mean, look, the chat is going nuts. 436 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:49,600 They're like, they're like, I can't. 437 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,080 They're like they can't believe it. 438 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,400 And I'm like, yeah, obviously that's a reason why that's. 439 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,560 Why isn't that this? That's why I saved it for 440 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:59,560 September 3rd. Yeah, but it's just like there's 441 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,400 definitely a psychology there of like we're everyone is doing 442 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,960 basketballs like so in the weeds of like dynasty and prospecting 443 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:10,480 and it feels so like you want to be the guy that like knows who 444 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,600 the next really good player is to me. 445 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,640 I honestly thought that's what was propping up JS NS cost a 446 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,480 little bit last year when I thought he was overvalued. 447 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,800 It's just like, well, he's the top prospect and I don't want to 448 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,360 like have none of the top prospects. 449 00:23:22,360 --> 00:23:24,240 So wherever he goes, I'm going to have them. 450 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,280 And I'm not saying that's like the whole thing. 451 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,120 It's not that simple. But man, look at look at like 452 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:33,960 Marvin Harrison versus Malik Neighbors redraft ADP in like 453 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:38,760 the Yahoo and ESPN leagues, like the slappies are are in on 454 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,400 Marvin Harrison. Like they take him at the 1-2 455 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:42,920 tournament league. Neighbors goes in like the 4th 456 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,600 and 5th. So maybe maybe that's a 457 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:46,840 secondary point to what I was saying. 458 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,800 But there there's like it's not just like the experts that are 459 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,440 in on them, like the very casual people see Marvin Harrison. 460 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,680 There's like I know the name I remember in Ohio State. 461 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,840 I'm in because I want to be in on Marvin Harrison and I think 462 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:01,600 we we took it too far. But we'll we'll see. 463 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,320 I can definitely see Davis and I being wrong on this. 464 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,560 It's very obvious to see how I'm wrong on this. 465 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,520 Like I so it's why it's a truth serum take. 466 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,320 It's why I I would have never brought this up unless it was, 467 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,880 you know, this specific part of the program. 468 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,960 Yeah, All right, Crane, I'll send it to you. 469 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,760 Now for your truth serum player take. 470 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,920 All right, I've got a I've got a couple, but I think I think I'm 471 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,360 going to pivot at the last second here, which is somewhat 472 00:24:32,360 --> 00:24:35,720 difficult because I don't have all my my stats ready. 473 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,720 I here's the truth. This is the truth term take 474 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:39,960 based on the Marvin Harrison one. 475 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,680 I'm not sure Trey McBride is really that good dominated 476 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,240 target. I don't. 477 00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:49,880 I don't know if he's that good. Shot in the heart. 478 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,600 Gretchen's turning off the podcast right now. 479 00:24:56,120 --> 00:24:59,120 Listen, this is also true stream because like we've we've taken 480 00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:01,680 McBride. You know, we, we we'll probably 481 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,320 take McBride again tonight. You know, we're drafting with 482 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:08,320 Leonie. I they, they, we want to go 483 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:09,760 elite tight end. We'll probably end up with 484 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:16,880 McBride again, but I'm just, you know, this guy, he didn't pass 485 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,120 Zach Ertz ever. He never passed him. 486 00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:21,840 He didn't pass him as a rookie, and then he didn't pass him as a 487 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,120 second year player until Zach Ritz got hurt. 488 00:25:24,120 --> 00:25:25,400 That's when he got in front of him. 489 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,240 Then with Rondell Moore, who would like immediately lost his 490 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,480 job to Ray Ray McLeod, with Michael Wilson, who can't earn 491 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,520 targets at all. I have some response for the. 492 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,480 Dead dude. With Greg Dorch, who wasn't even 493 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,120 on the field, this dude dominated targets. 494 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,920 But he had he had a first retarget rate of 19%, which is 495 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,600 the highest among all tight ends. 496 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:51,880 That's great unless they added the best wide receiver prospect 497 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,640 of a generation that could be bad for who's getting the first 498 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,120 3 targets. His open score was like super 499 00:25:57,120 --> 00:26:00,240 mediocre. He had a great yard sprout run, 500 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,480 great target sprout run, all the all the metrics we like really 501 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,480 good. But is he that good? 502 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,160 Or did he just happen to soak up targets with no target 503 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:16,560 competition for half a season after the guy he couldn't pass, 504 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,960 Zach Ertz got hurt? This is one of my this is one of 505 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:25,360 my deepest fears. I will I will rebuke this with 506 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,800 some statistics. The first one is that Trey 507 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:35,280 McBride at the roughly the same average depth of target to Brock 508 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,280 Bowers who like we are literally falling. 509 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,920 Like I'm surprised all of our surprised all of our truth 510 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,480 serums weren't actually. Brock Bowers is the tight end 511 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,640 one and we should have had 100% exposure to him. 512 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:51,240 He had the same A dot as Bowers their final seasons in college. 513 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:58,120 Trey McBride had the number one receiving grade in PFF 2.78 514 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,320 yards per route run with like giga targets. 515 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,200 He had 91 receptions his final season in college. 516 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:10,240 No other tight end his final season had more than 73 targets. 517 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,480 He caught 75% of those targets with again, a pretty healthy A 518 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,720 dot. I I'm pretty confident he's 519 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,040 good. Where I will meet you in the 520 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:24,120 middle is I will say there's definitely a chance that if you 521 00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:28,680 just move him to a 21% target share instead of a 27% target 522 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,520 share that he then basically just becomes Dalton Schultz. 523 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:40,360 Yeah, it's more like I really do believe in the elite tight ends 524 00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:41,560 this year. It's kind of being the key to 525 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,280 the season. I have 8% of McBride in BBM, so 526 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,920 I didn't really draft like this. And look, cuz I think I'm not 527 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,120 sure, OK, I'm not sure if he's good. 528 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,080 I'm still willing to draft him Sharp people really like him. 529 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,840 They're certainly upside, especially in, you know, on 530 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,120 DraftKings and, and FFPC where you get more of the PPR 531 00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:05,600 goodness. But yeah, I'm just, it's a very 532 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:10,760 thin resume on a guy who I, I saw him as an OK prospect, but, 533 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,360 you know, not someone we were really that excited about. 534 00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:17,000 I mean, he was going fairly late in dynasty drafts that year, 535 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,640 like kind of Pat Fryermuthie in terms of his his rookie ADP, 536 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,360 like not a not a prospect that we were extremely excited about. 537 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,960 He was kind of more of like an interesting guy and he landed in 538 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,640 an amazing situation last year and took full advantage of it. 539 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,760 But that's how tight end, you know, like you said. 540 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:38,760 Situation isn't Yeah, well, yeah, but this, this situation 541 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,760 just got worse for him to to gobble up targets. 542 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,240 And I think that like I, I don't fully, I, I'm taking McBride. 543 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,880 I'm not like overly overweight and so I'm not sure I agree, but 544 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:50,680 I see where you're going with this. 545 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,280 I think the other point like in your favor, Pat, is people 546 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,600 forget a little bit like how bad his rookie year was. 547 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:02,040 I remember we, I had him in Spanish league and this is his 548 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,160 rookie year and like the first time he caught the NFL field, he 549 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,960 got absolutely like pancakes and then wasn't on the field. 550 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,360 He came for like 4 weeks and I'm like, I'm claim for Josh Kelly. 551 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,880 And it turned out it turned out that year that that was the 552 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,040 right decision in redrafted year. 553 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:21,000 Like he, that's a good call. He yeah, he was like never even 554 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,880 at the end when he got some run, he was still like pretty useless 555 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,520 as a fantasy asset. I do. 556 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:31,920 I don't know the the numbers but I remember. 0.84 0.84 yards per 557 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:33,520 route run that season he only ran. 558 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,520 No, actually he ran 317 routes. That's a lot better than I. 559 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:42,280 Thought, yeah. So it's a question of how, like 560 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,560 what data do you trust? Do you completely throw out that 561 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,160 rookie year data? I probably would put 90% of my 562 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,960 weight into the second year data and 10% of my weight into the 563 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,240 rookie year data. Like I don't think that's who he 564 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,680 is as a player, but I see where you're coming from with this one 565 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,440 a little bit. Not sure I fully agree though. 566 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,040 I think he The thing is, is I think I think he might end up 567 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,880 being right about like, oh, McBride is actually not this 568 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,920 explosive kind of like certainly I don't think you of him as like 569 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,520 a Gronk Graham style player. But I I mean, if Kyler gets to 570 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:21,040 560 throws because the offense is just really good, it it, it 571 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,480 might not matter I think. Yeah. 572 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,840 Right, that's a fair point from Bills, who was the quarterback 573 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,600 end of the year's Rook year. It was a atrocious Quebec 574 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,040 situation after Carl like I heard. 575 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,880 Who was that Clayton tuner? Yeah, but this is targets per 576 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,080 route run. Targets per route run, you know. 577 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:41,680 Sometimes it's hard to incompetent. 578 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,000 It's a quarterback. It's just like taking a sack and 579 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,360 replaying. Can't even read. 580 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,400 Sometimes that data you do have to throw out. 581 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,960 But I agree with you. Like it's a per route stat that 582 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,680 shouldn't be too affected by who the quarterback was. 583 00:30:55,560 --> 00:31:00,320 Yeah, again is my how is my WI? Fi it's not, it's not great, 584 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,760 it's not great, but we're persevering all. 585 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:04,920 Right. We're persevering. 586 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:06,840 I'm sorry. Yeah, He makes me nervous is 587 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:07,800 all. He makes me nervous. 588 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,480 And there's so many great early tight ends. 589 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,920 To the extent that I did actually act on this take, it's 590 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:19,840 that I have 22% Mark Andrews in Bestball Mania, and so I didn't 591 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,320 split that evenly. I bet on Mark Andrews. 592 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,480 So I'm convinced is an elite talent still. 593 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,200 And I took my, I took my 8% of McBride. 594 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,640 Yeah, I've got, I've got way more Andrews. 595 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,040 Like I'm, I'm 100% in alignment there. 596 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,120 Like my concern level on Andrews is 0.0. 597 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,480 My McBride concern is like, I don't know, 10% or something. 598 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,680 Yeah, yeah. All right, I'll go ahead and 599 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,800 give my truth serum take. I guess my brand I'm actually 600 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:55,160 going with take in favor of a player rather than your state. 601 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,720 Stunned. I'm going with that. 602 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,280 I think Julio Jones, I mean, sorry, I already mentioned it. 603 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,960 Let me start this over. Producer, edit this 321 604 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,160 Producer, can you? Can you edit this Nico? 605 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,720 Collins, Nico Pro case for retired Julio Jones. 606 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,560 Nico is the roster anyway. Is the reincarnation of Julio 607 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,280 Jones and it's like people don't even care at all. 608 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,720 There have been three wide receivers of the last decade to 609 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,040 have more than three yards for outrun in a season. 610 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,640 It's Julio Jones, Cooper Cup and Tyree Kill. 611 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,000 It's like a who's who of the absolute league winners in 612 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,920 fantasy football of the past decade at wide receiver. 613 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,120 Nico Collins just did it. And people want to hit him with 614 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,960 all these excuses like, oh, it only happened because Tank Dell 615 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,800 wasn't there. Oh, you know, he was competing 616 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,200 for targets with Noah Brown and Robert Woods. 617 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,520 I don't care. Over three yards of an outrun in 618 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,440 a season is just absolutely insane. 619 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:03,040 And again, we're taking him behind like Drake, Drake London, 620 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,440 like has done nothing close to this in his NFL career. 621 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,120 We're taking him behind a rookie and Marvin Harrison. 622 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,160 We're taking him behind. I love Garrett Wilson. 623 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,000 Nico Collins might just be a better football player. 624 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,520 He's already done it. Nico's already done it. 625 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,560 He's already if there's no wish casting. 626 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:23,360 He did it if we watch it happen. And and here's the second part 627 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,760 of this take. He's playing with like the 628 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:30,120 reincarnation of Peyton Manning, Tom Grady in terms of the pocket 629 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:31,640 passing quarterback and CJ Strap. 630 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:32,840 And people also don't care about that. 631 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,360 It's like, oh, that's that on the guy playing with Aaron 632 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,760 Rodgers coming off a torn Achilles, you know, considering 633 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,680 running for vice president. Let's take him over the best 634 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,320 waters for the guy attached to CJ Stroud. 635 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,320 It to me, it's just insane to me that he's like not in the 636 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,880 consideration set with these other guys. 637 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,080 People are taking like Cooper Cup over him now. 638 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:57,040 I have I think 29% Nico Collins last time I tracked which is. 639 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:03,000 You know ball, you know ball. I'm I'm actually looking at my 640 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,480 15% and being like, you fucking suck, dude. 641 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,120 You should have 20%. This is this is this is such a 642 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,320 good take, man. This is such a good take. 643 00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:16,560 Yeah, it's just, it's not a it's not a anti digs take, it's not 644 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,560 an anti del take. I'm taking those guys as well. 645 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,560 I'm just like I I want to be all in on these Texans pass 646 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,080 catchers. I think one of them is going to 647 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,440 be the guy you need in fantasy this year. 648 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,679 And I think Nico has the best awesome dude. 649 00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:35,719 He's like 6-4, like elite speed. He's like a freak grass athlete. 650 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,679 He's one of these guys that was drafted and people were like, 651 00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:40,560 oh, he's kind of a developmental prospect. 652 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,840 That kind of, to me, explains his slower adjustment to the 653 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,120 NFL. He played on these awful 654 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,560 Michigan teams who had like, who had like no quarterbacks. 655 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,800 It it and awful Texans teams. Yeah. 656 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,400 Davis Mills was a quarterback the first year's career. 657 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,360 I mean, we can, we can cut a break for that. 658 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,920 Yeah. So to me, I'm all in on Nico 659 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,600 this year. I think he's going to be top 660 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,560 two, top three fantasy football wide receiver. 661 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:08,600 I think he doesn't get enough credit. 662 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,120 It's honestly cheating, cheating of you to take a player who has 663 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,880 no haters and it just be like, I think this guy who has no haters 664 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,120 is a good pick. That is honestly, honestly, I 665 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:20,480 kind of think that's cheating of you. 666 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,280 It was hot enough. It was hot enough that I do 667 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,680 think it qualifies as a truth serum take because you're saying 668 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:30,240 this dude is, you know, the reincarnation of of a player 669 00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:33,400 who's still alive. The other the reincarnation of 670 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,520 quarterbacks, Hall of Farmers. I mean, that's pretty, it's 671 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,760 pretty hot. So I don't know, I'm ready at 672 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,720 8%. Overall, I think he's a good 673 00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:44,000 pick, but I guess I've had trouble getting excited. 674 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,080 Like I think you're selling me with that level of excitement 675 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,600 because that's what you need, I think, to be taking him at a 676 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,240 high rate in the second round because like, you can play it 677 00:35:53,240 --> 00:35:57,120 more cheaply through digs and Dell and I do that a lot. 678 00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,720 You know, I, I actually have the most digs of anyone, which 679 00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,640 surprises me a little. But like, I still think digs is 680 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,800 good. So, you know, and he he 681 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:07,760 ultimately became the cheapest of the three. 682 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,240 Yeah, again, yeah, I like, I'm not. 683 00:36:11,240 --> 00:36:13,320 I'm never going to say that either of those guys are bad 684 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,280 picks. I don't have any I guess 685 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,600 counters to it. I just think that the Texans are 686 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,320 at like, yeah, I just want to be taking multiple shots at the 687 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:27,200 Texans wide receivers. Let's move on here to team level 688 00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:28,680 shoot Serum takes. David. 689 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,240 Sorry, did I cut you off there with my shitty? 690 00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:32,400 Wife I did. I just I did just want to say 691 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,440 it's like that is just very non ship chasing of you Pat to take 692 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,280 the oldest one, to have the most of the oldest. 693 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,720 It is, yeah. That's kind of against what we 694 00:36:39,720 --> 00:36:42,200 do here, which is, you know, a little bit of a bummer. 695 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:49,000 I know, but I'm you know, I'm overweight on Dell and I'm even 696 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,280 with Nico. So it's not like I'm fading the 697 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,840 other guys in in, you know, to get more digs. 698 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,880 Exactly. But like I just digs to me is 699 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,720 just not someone who should be available at the very end of the 700 00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:00,680 third round. Like he was still his yards per 701 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,800 target drop last year, but he kept he did this with the Bills 702 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,280 a couple times where he had like very steady target sprout run 703 00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:07,840 and then his yard yards per target. 704 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,400 It's been all over the place. Scratch has talked about this 705 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,240 too. And like the yards per target 706 00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:14,880 could go up significantly in this offense. 707 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,680 Like, I think he's getting, I mean, is he even getting like 708 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:23,400 worst quarterback play from like a wide receiver's perspective? 709 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:24,960 Yeah, it might be getting better. 710 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:29,720 So I think, yeah, I'm still, I still think Diggs is good. 711 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:34,160 And so it's just like, I don't know, I just thought he belonged 712 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:35,320 to, you know, 3 or 4 picks higher. 713 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,240 Yeah. Here's where I think I'm maybe 714 00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:44,080 wrong on the take is that like from a season long perspective, 715 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:48,040 it just gets too split up between Diggs, Diggs, Dell and 716 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,200 Nico and Nico finishes his like the wide receiver 14. 717 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,280 But man, I think the spike like you look at the spike weeks for 718 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:58,440 Dell and Nico last year and they both just had such massive weeks 719 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,920 that even I think in the losing scenarios where Nico is not the 720 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,160 clear outfit, it's a pretty even split between those guys. 721 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,720 I still like the weekly ceiling for a wide receiver in this 722 00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:10,480 offense is going to be insane. The CJ Stroud. 723 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,600 I I do think I I am kind of leaning into the vibes of the 724 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,080 Texans are going for the MVPCS in the Stroud this year. 725 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,240 They're not messing around with the you know, first and ten runs 726 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,520 Devin Singletary every time like they did last year. 727 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:22,960 I think they're going to let him cook. 728 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,400 So I'm really looking forward to watching the Texans office. 729 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:33,720 All right, we'll switch up the order here a little bit for the 730 00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:37,200 team level. Hot or not hot takes our true 731 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,680 serum takes. Crane will go you first, then me 732 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,640 second, Davis third here. What do you got? 733 00:38:43,720 --> 00:38:46,480 All right, so we've got some trendy backdoor stacks this 734 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:51,200 year. The the Broncos, I would say, 735 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,640 are among the trendiest backdoor stacks. 736 00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:59,360 Obviously I've talked to the Patriots all summer and you got 737 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,640 the the Panthers people back in. You know, Deonte Johnson's going 738 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,560 to get all these targets, all that right. 739 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,600 You know who's not trendy? The Saints. 740 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,040 The Saints is not a trendy backdoor stack, but I think he 741 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,640 could be the very best of the not not Drake may ones because I 742 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,040 I'm still I'm still going to say they're Drake May is the best 743 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,280 way to play it. But if we're talking versus the 744 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,880 Broncos, I mean, I was looking at Russell Wilson's EPA per play 745 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,240 last year. It was totally functional. 746 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,840 Not not that like I believe in Russ as as everyone knows, I 747 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,640 don't, but like there's actually a fair amount that this offense 748 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,800 could fall. I think people kind of assume 749 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,800 like, Oh, it won't be worse than last year. 750 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,240 They're bringing in a rookie quarterback who early in the 751 00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:42,480 process people did not think was going to go in the first round, 752 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,480 kind of went in the first round, I think as a need. 753 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,960 And now we're just kind of assuming like a little bit of a 754 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,760 floor here. We can we couldn't get any run 755 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,520 for Marvin Mims or Troy Franklin in the the preseason. 756 00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:00,120 Those guys I think are kind of the the the guys where we would 757 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,400 really get some sealing out of these stacks. 758 00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:05,920 You look at the Saints like. It's super concentrated, like 759 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,640 Olave. What if they move Olave around 760 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:09,280 the formation a little bit in this one Kubiak offense. 761 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:10,840 What if it's a little bit more modern, a little bit more 762 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,520 creative? Rashid Shahid is the clear #2 763 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,000 wide receiver. They really don't even have like 764 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,640 a #3 receiver with Thomas gone. Jawan Johnson had foot surgery, 765 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,240 but he played in the last preseason game. 766 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,720 Jimmy Graham has sniped 4 touchdowns on 7 targets last 767 00:40:23,720 --> 00:40:26,440 year is gone. So you're getting like, and then 768 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,360 frankly, Alvin Kamara's going to get way too much work as a 769 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:30,840 running back. I'm not really taking Kamara. 770 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:32,520 That's not really what I'm talking about. 771 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,960 I'm talking about kind of playing it through like Shaheed 772 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:39,440 Juan Johnson and Derek Carr as a back door or actually stacking 773 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:43,200 it up with Olave. But it's it's one of these gross 774 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,640 stacks that we never got around to like pretending was was cool 775 00:40:47,240 --> 00:40:51,640 and like Bryce Young was horrendous last year, like Zach 776 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,760 Wilson level bad. Their car's been totally fine. 777 00:40:55,680 --> 00:41:00,120 There's nothing sexy about this, but I think if they, you know, 778 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:04,040 add some of these Shanahan Kubiak style, you know, 779 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,840 offensive, offensive tricks to to a what was really a stale 780 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:13,360 offense last year, then the Saints could, you know, be kind 781 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,200 of surprisingly fun. Yeah. 782 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,640 So yeah, I'm with you on that one. 783 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,040 I've struggled with how to complete the backdoor stacks 784 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,720 because the Saints squad receivers after Shahid are 785 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,520 really tricky to me. But I agree with this. 786 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,680 When I was looking into the pre snap motion data for an R 787 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,800 collected for ETR this offseason, the Saints really 788 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,760 stood out to me as an offense that was just so archaic, so 789 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:42,760 poorly coached last year under blanking on the the P 790 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,440 Carmichael. Maybe it was the Saints to see 791 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,560 last year, whoever it was. Yeah, Carmichael. 792 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,760 And then the 49ers always ranked near the top of kind of anything 793 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,840 you look at play action rate, pre snap motion rate. 794 00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:00,520 And you do have to like squint a little bit and just pretend that 795 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:05,120 Clint Kubiak is Kyle Shahan's brother or something, something 796 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,440 you have to make to get all the way there. 797 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,760 But I can see it. And I think like Derek Harris 798 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:15,240 thought of, it's so boring. These other pocket passers like 799 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:20,440 Och Curry, Jared Boff, they have been really valuable fantasy 800 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,440 assets. And maybe we've just thought of 801 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,600 Carr as really bad and boring because of the coaching he's had 802 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,320 the past couple years. I mean, it's been Josh McDaniels 803 00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:32,160 on the Raiders and then this disastrous Saints offensive 804 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,280 system last year. There's a chance for the Shannon 805 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,520 system that we think of Derek Carr as sort of, you know, more 806 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:42,640 of the the fun pocket passer with the ceiling then he has 807 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:43,920 been thought of the past couple years. 808 00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:52,320 I mean the the thing. I need a truth serum. 809 00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,640 So the thing that makes it difficult is is doing it with 810 00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:59,000 the 18th round guy because with Knicks you just do Knicks and 811 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,440 Estimate or Knicks and Dulcich or Knicks and Mims or Franklin 812 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,320 or whatever. It's a little bit harder. 813 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:05,720 I guess you could. You could at the very. 814 00:43:05,720 --> 00:43:07,760 End you get it with Juwan. Kar and Juwan. 815 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,800 That's better to me. Like we're tacking on like when 816 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,360 you do some of the Broncos stuff and I like Estimae and I like 817 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,360 Jaleel. But you know, if I'm if I'm 818 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,960 doing it as a quarterback stack, I'd rather have a like a 819 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,720 downfield pass catcher than a running back. 820 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,720 And like we're guessing, we're guessing with Franklin, we're 821 00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:29,560 guessing with Mims, like these guys might rotate with each 822 00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,240 other. Like neither one could really do 823 00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:33,600 much this year. Like Dejuan Johnson is going to 824 00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,600 play a bunch. He's like pretty good and he and 825 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,720 he importantly plays tight end. So if you're trying to like I've 826 00:43:39,720 --> 00:43:42,600 done that a bunch where you take Juan and then you tack on cars a 827 00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:46,520 quarterback too. So my, my general pushback would 828 00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:52,120 be this is a spot where I just expect chaos to happen in 829 00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,520 season. Dennis Allen is like -150 to be 830 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,440 the first coach fired. It's just like it's, it's an, 831 00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:01,000 it's a team that is just in general disarray. 832 00:44:01,240 --> 00:44:03,960 So like, I think I'd buy that in. 833 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:05,480 Like, that's how the season starts. 834 00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,920 Like Shaheed and a lot of Angewan Johnson are accounting 835 00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:13,560 for like 65% of the team's targets and then Kumar is taking 836 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,080 like another 15%. And it's just all very 837 00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,040 predictable. And the offense is like fairly 838 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:25,200 good, but I find it hard to map how competitive the team is in 839 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:29,000 the playoff weeks. So I it's just like, yeah, I 840 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,120 don't that that's more of a vibes base take. 841 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,840 Like, you know, the idea that like, oh, Carr is going to get 842 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,960 benched. I don't know if he gets benched, 843 00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:37,920 but he he does like always get injured. 844 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,440 He's always got like a shoulder. He had two concussions last 845 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,320 year. Not, not his fault. 846 00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,600 It's just, yeah. I think he could get. 847 00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,920 Like vibes pace drafter, You're not a Saints guy. 848 00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,920 No, 100% the vibes are terrible. The vibes are truly terrible. 849 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,200 Which is which is why I didn't want to have to say this 850 00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:59,960 publicly, but you know, Carr, I think is at risk of getting 851 00:44:59,960 --> 00:45:02,760 benched is like a he's not getting benched. 852 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,360 He's hurt, but he really is getting benched just so they can 853 00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,920 see what they have in Spencer Rattler, but they they can't get 854 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,160 out of his contract next year. They're tied to him. 855 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:15,440 So the benching has to be like a little sneaky, which I think it 856 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,440 he is. You know, if this devolves, 857 00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,760 like, they'll find a way to, you know, see what they have in a 858 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,840 Rattler. But in like, a lot of like 859 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:25,600 mediocre outcomes for the Saints. 860 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,760 He plays all the games because they have to. 861 00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:29,600 They have to start him next year. 862 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:33,000 They can't get rid of him. Yeah. 863 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,960 And then I think Dennis Allen is going to be like, he's fighting 864 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:38,760 for his job, too. So he's not going to make the 865 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,680 switch to Rattler unless, unless that's what the hierarchies are 866 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,720 saying, like you have to do it or you'll get fired. 867 00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:47,280 But he he's not like in experimentation mode at 868 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,880 quarterback. He needs to go 9:00 and 8:00 or 869 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,760 8:00 and 9:00 to save his job, probably. 870 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:56,360 So, yeah, I, I, I agree. That last question for you, Pat, 871 00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,560 Have you tacked on any of the Saints wide receiver threes 872 00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,520 ever, maybe on DraftKings like a Cedric Nelson or AT Perry? 873 00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:03,680 No, you're not messing around with that. 874 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,040 I don't think I've done it once. I think my Saints, cause part of 875 00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:08,520 the bet for me is that it's concentrated. 876 00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:13,240 Yeah, I've taken. So I'm at 13% Shuan, 9% Shaheed, 877 00:46:13,240 --> 00:46:16,760 9% alive, a 7% car, which is kind of overweight. 878 00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:18,720 You know, it doesn't always get drafted. 879 00:46:19,240 --> 00:46:21,680 Kendry Miller 3%, Alvin Kamara 2%. 880 00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,520 I haven't drafted another St. in any tournament all summer. 881 00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,400 So it it is all an underdog. But I I'm nearly positive I 882 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:29,800 haven't done it on DraftKings either. 883 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:35,640 But yeah, to me, part of the bet is that Shahid is good and he 884 00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,200 and Olave form like a clear wide receiver tandem. 885 00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,200 And then JA Juan is kind of soaking up the rest of the 886 00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:43,800 downfield stuff. Obviously Camara is going to get 887 00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:48,560 his and it's going to be gross. Got it all right, I'll go ahead 888 00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,320 and give mine. I do want to say before we get 889 00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,280 into that, this is neither here nor there. 890 00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,480 McCaffrey did confirm this on Twitter. 891 00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,400 He's listed as the starter on the week 1 depth, the official 892 00:46:58,400 --> 00:46:59,840 week 1 depth chart for the computers. 893 00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:05,280 So as a show, I think in victory like that, that's that seems 894 00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,520 pretty good. That's not my take though. 895 00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:12,240 My take is I'm going back into hater mode for this one. 896 00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:18,080 Nothing fun here. The Colts artist universally 897 00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:23,600 massively overvalued, especially the top three guys in JT 898 00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,920 Richardson and Pittman. I I think all three of those 899 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:31,840 guys are close to some of the worst picks on the board where 900 00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:38,000 they go at ADP to to me this is just like I'm not an Anthony 901 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,760 Richardson hater as a prospect. I was very open to him. 902 00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:42,360 You just. You just. 903 00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:43,560 Hate him and talk about it a lot. 904 00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:45,840 You, you just you're just like, you're just like this guy. 905 00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,280 I watched this guy's going to get benched for for Joe Flacco. 906 00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,640 I watched him throw a pick in a preseason game. 907 00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,280 It's Jover, Shane Stiken. I'm not a hater, but can't 908 00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,920 commit enough crimes to keep him in the starting lineup. 909 00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,960 Yeah, we we got. It yeah, I do think I I have 910 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,800 been pretty quiet about this one. 911 00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:08,440 I just think we're chasing this really tiny sample of Anthony 912 00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:12,560 Richardson play last year and also was was the play that 913 00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,840 Anthony Richardson had last year like that conducive for an 914 00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,080 offensive environment that's going to put up fantasy points 915 00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,520 here? Here's the rankings out of 49 916 00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,200 quarterbacks who played at least 120 plays. 917 00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:26,200 Again, Richardson only small sample, he played like 130 or 918 00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,560 something. Out of those 49 QBs, Richardson 919 00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,840 was 45th out of 49 in completion, completion 920 00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:37,640 percentage over expected. He was 38 out of 49 in PFF 921 00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,720 passing grade, slightly better in EPA per play. 922 00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:43,880 He was 20th of 49 in EPA per play. 923 00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:48,920 But to me, like I'm just not buying that the Colts offense is 924 00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:53,160 going to be this top 10 scoring offense like a lot of people 925 00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:56,320 have it projected. And even if it is, I think 926 00:48:56,320 --> 00:49:00,280 Anthony Richardson is going to soak up all the value from that 927 00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:04,040 and, you know, take a bunch of scrambles and goal line carries. 928 00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,680 They're going to hurt his pass catchers, hurt Jonathan Taylor a 929 00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,480 ton at the goal line. I, I think I have like close to 930 00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:15,520 stone 0% of Jonathan Taylor, one of the rare guys in the 1st 2 931 00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:20,360 rounds that I've close to 0 of. But yeah, man, I just like, I 932 00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,920 feel like we did this a little bit with the, the, the trail. 933 00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,040 I'm not comparing it to Trey Lance, but we did a little bit 934 00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,040 with the Trey Lance thing. Like what? 935 00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,000 I know the film on Richardson looks way better than Lance, but 936 00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,960 like, Are you sure that Anthony Richardson quarterback like a 937 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:39,080 top offense in the NFL? I'm just not not sure at all. 938 00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,000 The pieces are priced really expensively. 939 00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,480 So I've been playing through bounds, through Adenine, 940 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,040 Mitchell, Peter. But are you taking Richardson 941 00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:49,800 and then getting those guys or are you? 942 00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,280 Yeah, I, I take Richardson when he falls, but I think I only 943 00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:58,960 have like 4 or 5% of them. I just think he's like priced 944 00:49:59,720 --> 00:50:01,960 pretty close to his ceiling already. 945 00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,320 Like I get the Kamani code and everything with quarterbacks, 946 00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,640 but I feel like we're, we're like giving him that bump 947 00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:08,880 already. Like we're already assuming he 948 00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,520 makes that leap into being one of the best rushers in the NFL 949 00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:16,000 and like a confident passer. And man, I don't know, I just, I 950 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,080 guess I. Don't know that we are if you 951 00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:23,040 were to amend this take to JT and Pittman. 952 00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,560 I mean, I, I'm on the record about Pittman, but I think the 953 00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:29,360 JT side, which I, I honestly consider doing because I haven't 954 00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:33,560 really drafted like JT is a bad pick, but I've not been 955 00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,280 actually, I have, I have 5%. So I haven't gone like full 956 00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:41,800 fade, but I've been kind of quietly nervous about him and I, 957 00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,760 I just am full fading Pittman because I don't think playing 958 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,680 the expensive pieces of the way to do it with Richardson. 959 00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,400 So I, I nearly agree with you, but I think Richardson himself 960 00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,760 is a really good pick, especially now that he's like 961 00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,320 falling into the sixth round because I at that price, I 962 00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,160 really don't think we are pricing in him being a competent 963 00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,880 passer plus a Komani code guy like that. 964 00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,560 That equals to like where Hertz is going, you know, Hertz, 965 00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:09,880 that's what Hertz is. So I, I think, I think there's 966 00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,040 quite a bit of upside with, you know, from him in the sixth 967 00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,640 round still. And I, I think he is live to do 968 00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,080 that, you know, to especially with Shane Steiken, who I think 969 00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,640 is a really sharp offense coordinator and head coach. 970 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:27,360 And you know, so I love playing it through AD Mitchell and Downs 971 00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:33,000 stacked with Richardson, But I I am fading the other two guys. 972 00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:38,280 Yeah, I mean Pittman and Jonathan Taylor, it feels like. 973 00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,160 I don't, I've not, I have not met the person who takes them. 974 00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,000 So that's just kind of like, I don't know. 975 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,120 I don't know where the people are that are taking Jonathan 976 00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,480 Taylor and Michael Pittman at their cost. 977 00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:52,720 I, I would have, I would have gotten on this Sam, this could 978 00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:55,280 have been a a good player. Take one as you could have said, 979 00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:59,200 Kyler Murray's already had an 11 win NFL season and averages like 980 00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:03,400 5 1/2 points rushing per game in his career healthy games. 981 00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,120 You could have just gone Kyler. Kyler Murray has done nothing to 982 00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,080 go 25 picks after Anthony Richardson or whatever. 983 00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:13,200 Wasn't that J JS truth seems? I, I believe, I believe it was. 984 00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,600 Yeah, I I believe it was. The other angle you can play on 985 00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,480 that Davis is the the gap between Jayden Daniels and 986 00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,240 Anthony Richardson. If we're taking a guy who we 987 00:52:21,240 --> 00:52:23,760 think is going to be a really good fantasy scorer as a rusher 988 00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,920 and we have question marks about his passing, like why is Jayden 989 00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:28,400 Daniels go? 60 picks. 990 00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,080 That was my true CMC. Yep. 991 00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,960 For Pete's video, my too soon take was that he should be a six 992 00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:34,440 round pick, which I don't really. 993 00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:35,760 Want to do but he's going to get hurt. 994 00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:37,880 He's a six round pick, but he's also going to get hurt. 995 00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,040 But I'm not really doing that because I'm terrified he's going 996 00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:41,240 to get hurt. That's my juice here. 997 00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:45,520 I do think we should say like the The reason I'll give like 998 00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:49,080 the the counter argument to my takes Shane Stiken is by. 999 00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,360 Shane. Stiken than than Cliff Kingsbury 1000 00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,920 is and I and I, I acknowledge that 100%. 1001 00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:55,840 I'm not. I'm not trying to ignore that 1002 00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,920 part of it. Also, I do think again, this 1003 00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,520 wide receiver room in Indianapolis, like you can 1004 00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,960 squint and see real upside with this wide receiver room. 1005 00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:05,920 If AD Mitchell hits and Josh Towns is healthy, you. 1006 00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:07,480 Don't even have You don't even have to squint. 1007 00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:08,840 As long as you're not a pencil pusher. 1008 00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:10,800 You already see it. Yeah. 1009 00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,760 So yeah, I've really been AD Mitchell pilled over the last 1010 00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,240 couple weeks of the offseason. I'm trying to get him even stand 1011 00:53:17,240 --> 00:53:18,800 alone. I'm trying to get him as much 1012 00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:20,080 as. I think he's a good stand, 1013 00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,480 Olympic. Yeah, especially on DraftKings. 1014 00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:26,560 He's still really cheap there. So yeah, I do see how this one 1015 00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:32,200 bites me, but I just think like people saw 50 plays of Anthony 1016 00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,440 Richardson last year and are like, I've seen enough 5th, 6th 1017 00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,000 round pick. I don't know man. 1018 00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:39,920 Like you can. You can the thing I quibble with 1019 00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,720 you on is the upside. I I think the upside is quite 1020 00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:46,840 clear that he if he is a competent passer with good 1021 00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,640 weapons and well designed offense and he runs like he 1022 00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:53,360 probably will because he's like Derrick Henry size and 1023 00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:57,360 incredibly fast and athletic, then he has the upside. 1024 00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:58,720 Like there's just no question to me. 1025 00:53:58,720 --> 00:54:02,960 But I do agree that it's, you know, it's a thin it's kind of 1026 00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,560 similar to my Trey McBride take. Like are we sure this dude is 1027 00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:07,680 actually good? Is it a thin resume? 1028 00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:10,360 Yeah. And the the last thing I'll say 1029 00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:15,040 on that point, like a bit of a thought experiment and I did 1030 00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,600 this on J JS spot. So apologies for people who have 1031 00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:21,400 to listen to me repeat this, but I do think like I, I don't have 1032 00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,120 like the simulation or numbers to back this up, but like 1033 00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:28,760 imagine this theoretical world where CJ Stroud, his ceiling 1034 00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:33,680 projection for fantasy points is 30 points and, and say also 1035 00:54:33,720 --> 00:54:38,000 Anthony Richardson's is 35. So I'm conceding that Anthony 1036 00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,480 Richardson's ceiling projection is 5, whatever, 10 points higher 1037 00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,000 than CJ Stroud, whatever you want it to be. 1038 00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:48,760 The the problem with that is when CJ Stroud hits his ceiling 1039 00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,560 in a given week, assuming that I'm stacking and I'm taking his 1040 00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:55,480 pass catchers, I'm way more likely to hit a ceiling at wide 1041 00:54:55,480 --> 00:55:00,520 receiver in my lineup if I have Stroud digs and Nico than I am 1042 00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:01,600 if I have. Not. 1043 00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:05,640 Necessarily Hitman. Well, you don't you don't think 1044 00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,800 that the the ceiling of the Texans wide receivers. 1045 00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,920 I guess it's it's all it's all cost adjusted. 1046 00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,280 So I get it. Like you need a ceiling. 1047 00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,920 Like when you take when you take Nico, if you have Nico and Dell, 1048 00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:19,760 that's your second and third round pick. 1049 00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,240 If you're winning this tournament in week 17, you're 1050 00:55:22,240 --> 00:55:24,400 getting like a lot of production out of those guys. 1051 00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:26,800 The fact that it's then tied to your quarterback is a nice 1052 00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,240 bonus. But like that's a that's a 1053 00:55:29,240 --> 00:55:30,960 given. Like you're getting at least 1054 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,120 from one of those two players, a huge score. 1055 00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:34,960 Otherwise you're just not going to put up enough points. 1056 00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:39,080 Whereas with Richardson, you get Mitchell and Downs. 1057 00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:42,040 If you get like a a pretty nice score out of one of those two 1058 00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:46,120 guys and out of just one that's that's huge. 1059 00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:49,280 Like that's like a a thing that you didn't necessarily like need 1060 00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:53,160 to happen, but is now like making you way more live for. 1061 00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,320 You know you're still going to need the massive scores from 1062 00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:58,160 your early round picks, but I actually think the playing it 1063 00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:01,040 through the two cheap options does give you quite a bit of of 1064 00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,480 stacked ceiling with Richardson. I agree with those points. 1065 00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:08,400 And I think the fact that Dennis and Mitchell are pretty 1066 00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,760 attractive eight round bets, that definitely makes Richardson 1067 00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:13,440 way more attractive to me. But what I'm just trying to make 1068 00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,880 though, is that like even a vacuum, if Richardson projects 1069 00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:20,200 better than like a pocket passer that goes around him because of 1070 00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,120 how correlation works with like a pocket passer scoring and 1071 00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:25,640 their pass catchers versus how correlation works with Anthony 1072 00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:27,080 Richardson and his pass catchers. 1073 00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,080 Like Richardson can hit a ceiling and he rushed for three 1074 00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:31,920 touchdowns. And then you just have to hit 1075 00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,600 the uncorrelated nuts at your other wide receivers because 1076 00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:36,440 they didn't bring along any wide receivers. 1077 00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,760 If you hit the nuts on like CJ Stroud 40 point week or even 1078 00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:43,680 like a Brock Purdy 35 point week, right, Like you're going 1079 00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,280 to have really good odds of hitting the nuts with your pass 1080 00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,320 catchers. I just don't think that's true 1081 00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:50,920 for Richardson, for Hertz, for Lamar. 1082 00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,440 So I think there's a slight element where like the the 1083 00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:57,520 pocket passers in best bowl are actually like slightly better in 1084 00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:02,520 vacuum than the rushers if they project like close to each other 1085 00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:05,560 just cause of that correlational benefit in the playoff pod 1086 00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,040 weeks. That's the point I'm trying to 1087 00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:08,240 make though. But you you got to factor in the 1088 00:57:08,240 --> 00:57:10,440 cost of the receivers. Totally agree with you though. 1089 00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,360 Like if you get a good week out of downs that pick 150 or 1090 00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,000 whatever, that makes up for that, right? 1091 00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:18,400 So I I agree with your point. Yeah, but I mean like it 1092 00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,440 certainly applies to Pitman. Pitman's prices never made sense 1093 00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:22,960 to me. I, I've mixed him in a little 1094 00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:26,200 bit just as like a humility based exercise when he falls 1095 00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:30,800 into the fourth round. But I've drafted eleven 11170 1096 00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:34,360 teams on underdog and I have 1% Pitman. 1097 00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:38,600 He's just not, I mean, like, imagine hitting the absolute 1098 00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:43,560 nuts with Anthony Richardson in week 17 and Pitman has like 12 1099 00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,080 points. That seems like very realistic 1100 00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,720 to me, you know, and it's like your third round pick, you know, 1101 00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,320 he, I mean, 12 might be, might be high. 1102 00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:54,800 He could have like eight points in a Richardson smash game, 1103 00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,760 which that's where I think your point about the correlation 1104 00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,200 really comes into play. Like you're making me pay for 1105 00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:04,200 the correlation with Richardson. Like I'm thinking twice about 1106 00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:07,160 that, especially where, you know, with Pittman, I just don't 1107 00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:09,640 really believe that he's that much more talented than downs 1108 00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:13,320 and potentially not AD Mitchell if if Mitchell is emerging down 1109 00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:14,080 the. Strategy Mitchell. 1110 00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:18,600 Mitchell is the one where if he hits if, if Mitchell hits, like 1111 00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:20,360 he's just better, like his upside. 1112 00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,440 His 90th percentile is so much better than Pittman in my 1113 00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:24,800 opinion. Yeah. 1114 00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:28,440 Yeah, exactly. Yeah, he's like a classic boom 1115 00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:33,160 bust prospectomy. And I think I was probably 1116 00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,440 wrong. I, I, I had a pretty decent fade 1117 00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,200 on him through like May, June, July. 1118 00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:40,720 And then I watched him and won pieces in game and I was like, 1119 00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:42,960 oh shit, I I get this whole Haiti Mitchell thing. 1120 00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,000 So I don't know, man. He looks, he looks really fun. 1121 00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:48,320 Sometimes you got to put the pencil down, man. 1122 00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:49,960 There's. I'm not saying always the 1123 00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,640 pencils, the pencil pushing helps, but some every once in a 1124 00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,480 while you just got to be like, yeah, the pencils are not going 1125 00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,760 to help here. Yeah, as the Patriots fan, I'm 1126 00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,200 just like so pissed that we took Jalen Pulk over 80. 1127 00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:02,920 Minutes No Pulk is a good player. 1128 00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:05,440 That's fine. You're you're, you're totally 1129 00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,000 fine there I. Don't know man, I'm worried 1130 00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,600 about that one. But anyways, it's not important 1131 00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:13,200 to the show. I'm worried that you're worried. 1132 00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,200 I have a ton of pulk. All right. 1133 00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:19,880 Do you guys, do you guys want my hater one or my or my +1? 1134 00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,360 I've got a hater 1 and I've got a +1. 1135 00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:25,160 The the hater ones seem to get more of a reaction. 1136 00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:30,640 That's my. All right, my hater 1 is that 1137 00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:35,200 the Cincinnati Bengals are a far more fragile exercise in fantasy 1138 00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,240 football than anyone wants to acknowledge. 1139 00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:41,080 Burl had a quote about his hand this week. 1140 00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:45,120 This it's it, this is still a problem like this injury that 1141 00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:48,600 Burrow has to his to his I I don't even know what part of his 1142 00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:52,320 throwing hand or arm it is, but it's like he's like, oh, his 1143 00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,280 wrist. So I believe, I believe the 1144 00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:57,560 quote was something like, Oh yeah, I I've got it to a place 1145 00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:00,680 now to where I can really drive the ball, you know, kind of how 1146 01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:03,760 I used to which I'm like one it's September. 1147 01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:08,040 So it seems like an issue that we're talking about this in game 1148 01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:13,320 start in five days and. Chase has not been a camp that 1149 01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:16,240 is weird. Like it's just T Higgins is 1150 01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:17,960 leaving. T Higgins wanted to be traded 1151 01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:19,920 and is playing on on this franchise tag. 1152 01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:23,560 Now, obviously T is is massively incentivized to play well so 1153 01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:25,840 that he can go and get the bag from the New England Patriots. 1154 01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:29,400 And by the way, that how funny is that going to be when T 1155 01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,080 Higgins actually is a New England Patriot? 1156 01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:32,560 Yeah, that that is going to. Happen, dude. 1157 01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:35,080 You're not going to like that Sam T Higgins with Drake. 1158 01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:38,080 Maggie is going to be fun, no. I always, I'll always come 1159 01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:39,640 around. I originally am always 1160 01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,000 reflexively against the Patriots, Patriots moves and 1161 01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,720 then I I start coping and think they're actually good. 1162 01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:47,400 Like I'll, I'll figure out a way to to come around on it. 1163 01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:51,240 And I don't I don't want the fact that I am a known Bengal 1164 01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:54,880 tater to to poison this take because the reason why this is 1165 01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:57,080 concerning to me should be obvious to everyone, which is 1166 01:00:57,080 --> 01:01:02,400 that I I am the foremost Chase Brown Slappy get Chase Brown 1167 01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:05,160 with Jake Browning is not going to be a guy you want in fantasy. 1168 01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:06,400 It's going to be really, really bad. 1169 01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,800 It's going to be all Zach Moss if they have to go to the Jake 1170 01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,080 Browning offense. I just feel like getting 1171 01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:16,000 Burrough Burrough at quarterback 8. 1172 01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,680 I'm like, I can make an argument for I can, I can make an 1173 01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:21,200 argument for Jaden Daniels over him. 1174 01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,840 I can make an argument for Caleb Williams over him. 1175 01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:26,680 Yeah, it's fragile. And I mean I'm looking back at 1176 01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:29,520 some of Burroughs crazy like Burroughs 2021 season. 1177 01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:32,400 We do the we do the people forget neem a lot. 1178 01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:36,600 Burroughs 2021 season was gnarly. 1179 01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:39,160 I mean he was awesome. He completed 70% of his passes 1180 01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:41,440 on really high volume 34 touchdowns. 1181 01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:47,560 Now granted he did also lead the NFL in sacks, which is no one 1182 01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:48,840 really talks about that with Joe Burrow. 1183 01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,040 That's more of a real football take than a fantasy football 1184 01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:53,520 take. But basically I'm just saying we 1185 01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:58,160 have a quarterback with a legit throwing hand injury. 1186 01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:03,440 That is it. It like every doctor on all 1187 01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:05,920 these Twitter doctors say this doesn't go away. 1188 01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:09,600 He can re injure this. It's it's a very real thing and 1189 01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:16,160 it's like no one even cares. Yeah, I honestly haven't spent 1190 01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:17,080 much. Of the offseason. 1191 01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:18,760 Exactly. You never do. 1192 01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:21,360 You do this shit and you never think about it. 1193 01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,440 Yeah, I haven't. And it's AT Higgins, T Higgins's 1194 01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:26,000 quarterback. How do we not get here? 1195 01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:29,880 I got, I got to run the numbers. I'll compare Joe Burrow to T 1196 01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:32,080 Higgins yards for Outrun and I can give you an answer on 1197 01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:37,360 whether I'm on them or not. This, this is also true. 1198 01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:40,920 We have like no data on this because we don't have other 1199 01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:44,280 quarterbacks with this injury. Based on like what the the 1200 01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,000 Twitter, it's like a baseball. Injury. 1201 01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:48,560 Right, it's a baseball injury. Well, plus Jamar Chase hasn't 1202 01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:51,360 signed yet like today, so. Yeah, OK. 1203 01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:54,000 That's what I wanted. I wanted to talk about that 1204 01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:58,440 angle too 'cause I'm starting to do some waiver stuff like isn't 1205 01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:01,480 Yoshi Voss? He's a generally there's 1206 01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:02,440 opportunity. Right now. 1207 01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:04,960 And, and Burton is going to get dropped. 1208 01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:08,160 Burton is going to get dropped in this run by a lot of people 1209 01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:10,360 as well. So that's something to, to keep 1210 01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:13,080 your feelers out. But yeah, I I think Yoshi Voss 1211 01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:18,080 FFPC, you can spend 15% or something like that. 1212 01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:24,200 Yeah, I mean, people are saying he's this year's Puka Nakua. 1213 01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:28,000 They both played high school football in Hawaii, I think. 1214 01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:30,880 I don't know, Just connect the dots. 1215 01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:32,440 I actually don't even know if that's true. 1216 01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:35,240 I think Puka Nakua is maybe Hawaiian, but is from Utah. 1217 01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:38,320 I wish I'd looked that up before I said it, but they both got 1218 01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:40,360 Utah. Connected David is really going. 1219 01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:42,520 Off on you, Huka. Is. 1220 01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:46,000 Is really rubbing off. Huka is is Samoan I believe. 1221 01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,920 Oh shit OK Pacific island. They both have Pacific Islander 1222 01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:54,200 connections. Yeah, that's not tenuous at all. 1223 01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:56,880 No, that's a. That's a pretty strong 1224 01:03:56,880 --> 01:04:00,640 connection. Yeah, I, I, yeah, I just like, 1225 01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:05,680 I, I think the, it's like if I'll just say this, if this 1226 01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:09,680 injury happened to Pat, I would want like daily updates on how 1227 01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:11,640 his wrist was doing. I'd want to know how his rehab 1228 01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:13,320 was going. I'd want to know how he feels. 1229 01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:17,000 I I would, I would be like Pat, I will do you can have my arm 1230 01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:19,920 like I would be, I would not be able to sleep if this injury 1231 01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:24,080 happened to Pat. So I just feel it's. 1232 01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:25,280 Friendship. No one's. 1233 01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:26,840 Talking about it, Yeah, You're welcome. 1234 01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:30,040 You're welcome. Yeah, You wouldn't be able to 1235 01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:32,320 write the legendary upside piece with this injury, is what I'm 1236 01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:35,280 saying. It's actually like, I think, I 1237 01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:37,600 think I'm running a little behind my typing speeds 1238 01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:40,680 decreased. Exactly. 1239 01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:41,720 Exactly. No. 1240 01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:44,720 I. Also. 1241 01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:49,440 Wish we'd asked for your your your positive take. 1242 01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:51,760 Is this one just makes me sad. I don't really have a lot of 1243 01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,800 pushback. My my +1 is that I'm worried I 1244 01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:59,600 spent the offseason stacking the wrong AFC Super Bowl contender 1245 01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:03,520 that actually just doing one Texans wide receiver in Stroud 1246 01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:06,720 and like 25% of your drafts might be the way to win. 1247 01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:12,160 They they very they they almost 100% have a better week 17 game 1248 01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:16,240 and they haven't won or proven shit, so they are much more 1249 01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:19,720 likely to be trying to pad Stroud's numbers in the regular 1250 01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:23,360 season than the Chiefs. I do think the Stroud situation 1251 01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:27,320 was the ultimate like IQ bell curve take this year like the 1252 01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:29,520 the mid IQers were like, Oh no, he doesn't project that much 1253 01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:32,680 better than other pocket passers and the low IQ and high IQ or 1254 01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:35,400 does CJ stradgo Burr We'll find out if. 1255 01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:40,040 It I, I was mid IQ for about, I was mid IQ for like 3 months and 1256 01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:43,080 I really changed my tune. Like literally like August, like 1257 01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:44,880 third. I was like, we got to, we got, 1258 01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:46,920 we got to change this. It's it's not going to work. 1259 01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:50,080 Yeah, yeah. I ended up just slightly 1260 01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:54,880 underweight, but I I have, you know, a lot of all three guys 1261 01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:56,680 and, you know, made a point to stack them. 1262 01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:59,840 So I feel good. Yeah. 1263 01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:00,920 I feel like I was in one of the two. 1264 01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:04,640 I was either high IQ or low IQ. Yeah, that's that's generally 1265 01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:07,120 where you want it. Mid, mid IQ is is more 1266 01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:09,320 derogatory than low IQ. I think most of the. 1267 01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:12,240 Time it is. You're much more likely to win 1268 01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:17,400 at fantasy football being a a mid a low IQ than a mid IQ 1269 01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:19,720 player. Mid mid IQ you are dead in 1270 01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:21,000 fantasy football. You can't win. 1271 01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:26,040 Yeah. No, that's that's 100% true. 1272 01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:31,240 All right, we'll go to our roster construction truth serum 1273 01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:33,000 takes. I'll go first here. 1274 01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:36,480 I haven't gone first yet. I've got some slides to show 1275 01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,440 here bring the show back to its roots. 1276 01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:47,800 But my roster construction truth serum take is that elite type 1277 01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:50,400 end in a specific way that I'm going to define it. 1278 01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:56,080 Is is bad this year and. Have have have fun staying poor, 1279 01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:57,760 Sam. And at the same. 1280 01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:00,920 Time. This this is the worst part of 1281 01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:05,600 the big the the tight end tight end. 1282 01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:09,040 The low end tight end ones are the nuts. 1283 01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:14,600 This year I'll delve a little bit into Cats player take, but 1284 01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:18,640 let's just do a little bit of arbitrage playing of the elite 1285 01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:22,840 tight ends this year. This is David and Joku as 1286 01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:25,320 arbitrage Trey McBride number one. 1287 01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:28,040 I'll say that Trey McBride never played a game after, you know, 1288 01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:31,360 half his face was burnt off and showed up in a mask and and 1289 01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:32,800 played the game like three days later. 1290 01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:35,800 So he's never done that, but everyone loves to talk about 1291 01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:38,840 this this homestretch for Trey McBride where he was allegedly 1292 01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:43,560 so good he was breaking fantasy weeks 8 on absolutely dominated 1293 01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:47,120 once Zach irks went out. How about David and Joku over 1294 01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:50,440 that same stretch? Just being better than him had a 1295 01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:55,320 higher targets per outrun 28% to McBride's 27% higher PPR points 1296 01:07:55,320 --> 01:08:00,200 per game 16 first McBride's 15. People like to call Njoku like a 1297 01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:02,400 screen merchant or whatever because they want to get the 1298 01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:03,800 ball in his hands and let him do fun stuff. 1299 01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:05,880 After the catch. You have the same aid as Trey 1300 01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:07,560 McBride. So I don't see people throwing 1301 01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:10,040 around the screen merchant allegations against Trey 1302 01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:12,880 McBride. I think the the David and Joku 1303 01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:16,200 upside pace is not being baked into his ADP at all. 1304 01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:23,560 I think I think it is. I think it is being baked in 1305 01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:26,479 because his quarterback has an injured shoulder and doesn't 1306 01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:29,359 want to play football and Joe Flacco is not there, although 1307 01:08:29,359 --> 01:08:33,399 Jameis Winston is there. Now if you think that Jameis is 1308 01:08:33,399 --> 01:08:35,439 going to be playing quarterbacks in the money weeks, then I will 1309 01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:39,080 grant this, but I I am not afraid of David Njoku on a 1310 01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:41,439 Deshaun Watson quarterback team personally. 1311 01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:44,640 I just think the whole thing with like Njoku that people are 1312 01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:48,200 missing is that like you pretend that the only reason David and 1313 01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:50,760 Joku was good is because of Joe Flacco. 1314 01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:52,680 Like to me, oh, it's just that. He got the ball. 1315 01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:56,520 No, to to me, the take away is that the reason he's good is 1316 01:08:56,520 --> 01:09:00,120 'cause he has a really smart offensive coach and offensive 1317 01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:02,000 system. And if this Deshaun Watson thing 1318 01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:05,200 fails, I think they can bring in Jameis. 1319 01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:08,279 And like I, I, I do, I am a believer that if Deshaun his, if 1320 01:09:08,279 --> 01:09:11,399 his arm is just toast, they're not going to be rolling them out 1321 01:09:11,399 --> 01:09:12,399 all year. They're they're going to move 1322 01:09:12,399 --> 01:09:14,120 on. You are about to. 1323 01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:15,960 You are about to learn, NFL buddy. 1324 01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:21,160 Yeah, dude, I I think what whether it's Deshawn like says 1325 01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:24,760 he can't play or the team says go fake an injury, you're out. 1326 01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:28,760 They're not doing 17 games of like Deshawn Watson with no 1327 01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:32,720 harm. But anyways, that that's just a 1328 01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:37,520 point of the second part of this take is another another one that 1329 01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:39,120 people hate. Jake Ferguson. 1330 01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:41,840 No, this one, this one, I'm on board with this one. 1331 01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:46,000 I I think is is very good. I I thought about doing Ferguson 1332 01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:49,720 being a good pick, which I got bullied off of early in the 1333 01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:54,640 offseason, but we we had him ahead of EDP in the rankings 1334 01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:56,760 pretty much all season. I ended up having a hard time 1335 01:09:56,760 --> 01:10:00,480 drafting because I just took so much Bowers in the end, but I 1336 01:10:00,480 --> 01:10:01,720 think Ferguson might be good guys. 1337 01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:04,680 Yeah, that's that's the thing that I don't get is that like 1338 01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:08,160 the the Dalton Kincaid upside thesis, I don't disagree with 1339 01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:11,400 like I think there's a chance he takes the jump in year 2. 1340 01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:15,880 But Jake Ferguson, like you look at the stats and he was either 1341 01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:20,000 better or identical to Kincaid. And like all these metrics that 1342 01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:21,920 we love to look at for evaluating talent. 1343 01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:24,960 And also it's not like he doesn't have a target ceiling. 1344 01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:28,880 Like again, who who is the person in in Dallas catching 1345 01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:31,960 passes after CD Lamb. I get that lamb like 1346 01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:35,120 theoretically caps his target ceiling because he can't be like 1347 01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:38,840 the alpha wide receiver one there, but he can't be the clear 1348 01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:42,800 number 2 when Brandon cooks Jalen Tolbert like those are the 1349 01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:44,560 wide receivers running routes against him. 1350 01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:48,200 I don't really get why there's not more excitement for that. 1351 01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:50,920 And again, he's he's in his third year in the league. 1352 01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:53,480 He's like six months older than Dalton Kincaid. 1353 01:10:53,480 --> 01:10:55,480 It's not like there's some massive difference in these guys 1354 01:10:55,480 --> 01:10:57,560 ages. So I don't get why the the 1355 01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:00,800 upside isn't priced into his ADP like it is for Kincaid. 1356 01:11:01,480 --> 01:11:02,760 But I'll, I'll let you guys because. 1357 01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:06,480 His name is Jake Ferguson. Yeah, he's on a first round. 1358 01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:09,480 He's a. Fourth round pick from Stanford. 1359 01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:14,680 Now if you if you segmented these numbers out in the non 1360 01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:17,920 Knox games, I'm going to guess Kincaid's look much, much 1361 01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:22,320 better. Yeah, I know they. 1362 01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:27,000 Do they probably do but his like stretch run was like tight end 1363 01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:30,440 10 last year I think. That's I, I don't, I don't think 1364 01:11:30,440 --> 01:11:33,640 Dalton Kincaid is that good. I'll say if you're defining 1365 01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:39,120 elite tight end as I I think Kelsey and Andrews and and to a 1366 01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:43,840 smaller extent McBride and Knox are the way to play tight end 1367 01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:48,240 this year and the other ones the the in my mind the two elite 1368 01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:51,280 tight ends are dating Taylor Swift and have type 1 diabetes 1369 01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:54,120 and everyone else is is pretending that is my opinion. 1370 01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:56,000 Yeah, so. So here's my articulation. 1371 01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:58,920 That's how I played it, how I. Define elite tight end and I'm 1372 01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:03,240 in on healthy managers, though I won't like bait that too much. 1373 01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:09,040 But my point is that the tight end 7 through 12 that includes 1374 01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:13,400 Kittle, Ingram, Ferguson, Bowers and Joking Goddard are going to 1375 01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:16,640 be better. Both advancement rate picks and 1376 01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:19,280 weekly sealing picks in the playoffs from a. 1377 01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:21,520 Well, Bowers, Bowers, I'll give you. 1378 01:12:22,480 --> 01:12:26,120 Yeah, so, so for me, the the real targets for me are I'm not 1379 01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:28,960 really in in on Ingram or Garner too much to be honest. 1380 01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:35,120 But Kittle, Ferguson, Bowers in Joku I think are the way to play 1381 01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:37,520 tight end this year. And I get historically this like 1382 01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:41,160 tight end 7 to 12 range has not been a good bet, but that's 1383 01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:44,440 because the elite tight ends used to be prime Travis Kelsey, 1384 01:12:44,440 --> 01:12:47,160 prime George Kittle. We don't have those guys from 1385 01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:49,040 now anymore. Like there's not that big of a 1386 01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:54,080 gap between the Laporta McBride, Kincaid and the Bowers Ferguson 1387 01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:56,960 and Joku in my opinion. And I think the two by twos of 1388 01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:59,960 just taking the running backs and wide receivers where like 1389 01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:02,960 these top 6 high ends go and then playing chicken a little 1390 01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:06,320 bit, taking a Ferguson, taking a Bowers, taking in Joku. 1391 01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:11,520 That is the best tight end strategy in 2024 over the elite. 1392 01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:14,960 The elite tight end strategy as defined as a top six tight end. 1393 01:13:18,440 --> 01:13:23,200 Yeah, I mean, you're doing a little bit of, you know, getting 1394 01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:26,160 putting Kittle in the second group is kind of working to your 1395 01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:28,360 advantage there. He he goes right behind Pitt, 1396 01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:30,160 but. It's definitely. 1397 01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:34,400 It's a semantic. It's a semantics thing, like I 1398 01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:36,520 think elite if you. Yeah, it was a top seven this 1399 01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:39,240 year, I I think. Yeah. 1400 01:13:39,440 --> 01:13:41,240 To me, I think it's a top. There were seven guys going in 1401 01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:43,960 the top 65. Yeah, go ahead. 1402 01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:47,480 Sorry. No, sorry, My Wi-Fi is causing 1403 01:13:47,480 --> 01:13:49,200 issues. I'm just saying that I think the 1404 01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:53,040 elite tight end range extends to tight end 11 this year. 1405 01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:58,000 To David and Joku and Bowers. We're going to watch. 1406 01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:01,360 You're telling me we're going to watch Kyle Pitts on an NFL 1407 01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:04,080 football field in Week 1 and Brock Powers in Week 1 and be 1408 01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:06,200 like, yeah, Pitts is the guy I want. 1409 01:14:06,440 --> 01:14:08,720 I'm. I don't know man. 1410 01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:10,640 I I think that's like. To me. 1411 01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:13,480 That could flip so quick. I could flip so quick. 1412 01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:20,560 I do tend to think that the ceilings on some of the early 1413 01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:24,920 tight ends aren't as high as, you know, we're we're used to 1414 01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:27,880 getting when we pay elite tight end prices. 1415 01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:31,160 That's why part of this I am a little bit nervous about McBride 1416 01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:33,280 is that like, I don't expect him to be the number one target 1417 01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:34,400 earner on his own team down the stretch. 1418 01:14:34,480 --> 01:14:36,960 I don't expect Laporta to be the number one target earner on his 1419 01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:40,080 team ever. So his ADP always felt weird to 1420 01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:43,320 me. I took some just 'cause I think 1421 01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:46,280 he's really good. But like Davis, I played this 1422 01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:51,600 mostly through Kelsey, who's my fourth highest drafted tight end 1423 01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:54,840 and Andrews, who's my second highest drafted tight end. 1424 01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:57,960 So those those two and then pits, I actually did get 1425 01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:01,760 overweight on I I started kind of underweight and started to 1426 01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:06,160 get pretty nervous just about what a massive quarterback and 1427 01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:10,160 offensive environment upgrade it is in some ways, I think just 1428 01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:13,160 like moving him around the formation, like doing more 1429 01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:16,000 interesting stuff like he's he's a deep he was Desmond Ritter's 1430 01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:18,840 deep threat that that alone is a problem. 1431 01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:20,600 And then he was winning an Arthur Smith offense, which is 1432 01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:24,280 such a huge problem too. So Pitts I, I kind of came 1433 01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:27,480 around on is as a pretty damn strong pick. 1434 01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:32,240 But yeah, I'm, I'm kind of nervous about Kincaid. 1435 01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:36,800 In addition to McBride and, you know, LaPorte, I took all of 1436 01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:38,800 these guys at Kincaid. I ended up at 5%. 1437 01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:40,520 I was overweight at one point. I kind of cooled off. 1438 01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:47,320 So I I'm open to the point, but I think like, aren't you none of 1439 01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:49,680 these guys you make you make you nervous because a few of them, 1440 01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:52,280 like three of them specifically, I think really do have huge 1441 01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:54,240 ceilings, Andrews, Kelsey and Pitts. 1442 01:15:56,240 --> 01:15:59,960 Yeah, this for me, I struggled with how to frame this because 1443 01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:04,080 to me that there's guys in both of these categories that I'm 1444 01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:06,960 targeting and fading like I'm kind of fading Evan Ingram and 1445 01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:11,120 I'm kind of targeting Andrews and to a lesser extent Kelsey 1446 01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:15,040 and McBride. So it's not, it's not as binary 1447 01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:18,160 as tight end one through 6. I'm fading tight end 7 through 1448 01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:20,080 12. I'm I'm targeting. 1449 01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:22,760 It's not that binary. I am definitely worried about 1450 01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:24,440 the upside of some of these elite tight ends. 1451 01:16:24,440 --> 01:16:27,400 I have been taking all of them to some degree. 1452 01:16:27,480 --> 01:16:30,600 I don't think I have hard fades even like Pitts or Kincaid, who 1453 01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:32,960 I think I'm the strongest against on the left group, I 1454 01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:35,480 still think I have like 3-4 percent of. 1455 01:16:35,480 --> 01:16:40,040 So it's not, this isn't as strong as my my Colts fade, to 1456 01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:42,720 be clear. But yeah, man, I just think that 1457 01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:45,960 like a lot of the the tight end research that people look at 1458 01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:48,600 historically, that's like, oh, you got to get one of the top 1459 01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:51,040 four guys. Those are just like Rob 1460 01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:54,200 Gronkowski and Travis Kelsey stats. 1461 01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:58,760 They're not like some like, I just think this position goes. 1462 01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:01,400 So doesn't Travis Kelsey have have some interest? 1463 01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:03,640 In that doesn't, so don't Travis Kelsey doesn't. 1464 01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:06,240 Doesn't he count? No, OK, that's fair. 1465 01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:08,000 But this is not prime Travis Kelsey. 1466 01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:10,480 Like, let's let's be honest, this is not prime Travis Kelsey 1467 01:17:10,480 --> 01:17:11,960 anymore. Like he's not the same. 1468 01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:12,960 He. Was pretty damn good the last 1469 01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:14,320 time we saw him. He would. 1470 01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:16,400 He was just the engine of the offense during a Super Bowl run. 1471 01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:20,440 Yeah, I just think it used to be way more. 1472 01:17:20,440 --> 01:17:22,800 Obvious you want to talk, you want to talk about mid IQ. 1473 01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:27,120 Mid IQ is Travis Kelsey is only going to run 69% of the routes 1474 01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:29,200 because they're saving him for the I I fear. 1475 01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:32,520 I fear that might be a a mid a mid I. 1476 01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:34,800 Kelsey, Kelsey. Still, Kelsey is the low IQ, 1477 01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:36,240 high IQ. Yeah. 1478 01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:39,400 Yeah, they thought his season was maybe over. 1479 01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:43,720 The night before the Lions game there was a report that they 1480 01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:48,640 thought they were going to put him on season ending IR and he 1481 01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:54,280 still finished tight end too. But fade him in the 4th, that's 1482 01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:55,520 definitely going to. Work but fade him. 1483 01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:58,040 But fade him. But fade him after Michael 1484 01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:06,880 Pittman and Sam Laporta. Yeah, I I got no strong push 1485 01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:09,560 back again. I'm I'm, I'm taking Kelsey. 1486 01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:12,040 So maybe I should have just presented this is like, here are 1487 01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:14,040 my tight end targets. Here are my tight end fades. 1488 01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:17,160 But this was This is a cleaner way to do it I. 1489 01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:21,360 I stand, I stand in opposition. I think the left side of the 1490 01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:23,000 board is better than the right side of the board. 1491 01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:27,160 If I could trade Sam Laporta for Brock Bowers, then I would. 1492 01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:29,920 I would. I would side bet the left side 1493 01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:33,960 of the board on the right side of the board at like -115 for 1494 01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:37,440 the elite tight ends is more likely to be like. 1495 01:18:37,480 --> 01:18:41,200 I don't know, I guess points added to the average fantasy 1496 01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:43,880 roster or something sacrilegious would know the best way to score 1497 01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:46,120 it but I I would I disagree in general. 1498 01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:49,840 So much of the elite tight end thesis really comes down to like 1499 01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:52,680 that these guys are much better bets for spike weeks in the play 1500 01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:56,080 offs than the other guys. And that's why I do think Bowers 1501 01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:57,360 is a really good one to highlight. 1502 01:18:57,360 --> 01:18:58,760 And Kittle, I mean you. Definitely. 1503 01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:01,160 But the the crazy wide receiver pricing. 1504 01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:04,640 In your your batch. The the crazy wide receiver 1505 01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:07,760 pricing makes the tight ends better because instead of taking 1506 01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:11,280 Travis Kelsey over the wide receiver 18, you're taking 1507 01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:14,720 Travis Kelsey over Terry Mclaurin. 1508 01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:16,840 Like sure. Like, I just give me the give me 1509 01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:19,560 the elite tight end every time over the wide receiver 31. 1510 01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:24,040 I just think there's huge, even though that I agree that like 1511 01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:27,800 Mclaurin T Higgins, like some of these guys that go around the 1512 01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:31,000 tight ends here, it's not like the biggest opportunity cost 1513 01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:32,680 compared to what it was in past years. 1514 01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:36,720 But it's still like within Joku and Bowers, the two by two is 1515 01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:41,440 like, I don't know, Khalil Shakur and Sam Laporta versus 1516 01:19:41,480 --> 01:19:46,480 Tank Dell and David and Joku. Like I just I haven't heard it 1517 01:19:46,480 --> 01:19:51,800 articulated why Laporta McBride like their upside cases are so 1518 01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:53,640 much better than Bowers and Joku. 1519 01:19:54,440 --> 01:19:57,360 Like I just. Well, Sam, the biggest reason, 1520 01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:00,640 the biggest reason is that historically. 1521 01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:04,480 These are the most overdrafted players in fantasy. 1522 01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:06,400 Effectively. It's like, and you we could cut. 1523 01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:08,680 I could point out a reason why Kittle's not being overdrafted, 1524 01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:11,720 why Ingram is a bit like I can see the pro and con for each of 1525 01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:13,960 these players. But his like all of the work 1526 01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:18,360 that like JJ and and Reeves have done on tight end is always, we 1527 01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:20,560 always do this. We sigh up ourself into, you 1528 01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:23,480 know, the tight end 9 is a pretty good pick this year. 1529 01:20:23,480 --> 01:20:26,200 And then the tight end 9 is always like the literal worst 1530 01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:29,080 guy in the pool. Evan Ingram is like the poster 1531 01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:31,080 boy for this. It's like very clearly not the 1532 01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:32,520 number one option on his own team. 1533 01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:34,680 Probably not the number two option on his own team by the 1534 01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:36,520 end of the season if Brian Thomas is any good. 1535 01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:38,600 Probably not the number three, honestly. 1536 01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:43,720 Yeah, I mean, he honestly might not be kind of a long career 1537 01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:46,800 where he hasn't really special. He's been fine over a long 1538 01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:48,600 career. That would apply to Ninjoku as 1539 01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:51,640 well. I think those guys are kind of 1540 01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:56,200 the the classic, you know, we we get excited about them because 1541 01:20:56,200 --> 01:20:58,720 they came off a season where they got targeted a lot and we 1542 01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:00,520 assume it's going to happen again and it doesn't like and 1543 01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:02,800 Joku, I mean, Judy going there I think is a big deal. 1544 01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:07,080 Like he very easily could see a lower target share just because 1545 01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:08,840 they now have a secondary. I mean, they're second one 1546 01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:11,240 receivers like Elijah Moore and now he might not even be over 1547 01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:15,200 like Cedric Tillman now. So I think Judy and Amari Cooper 1548 01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:17,160 will be the number one and two targets there. 1549 01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:19,000 And so, you know, that has potential hurting Joku. 1550 01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:21,400 Plus he didn't produce with the quarterback that will have this 1551 01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:24,160 season. So those two are, But you know, 1552 01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:26,520 Bowers is not a typical guy in this range. 1553 01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:29,840 Bowers is very much an. Bowers is like and the type. 1554 01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:33,400 Of that we do want to make. Yeah, Yeah. 1555 01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:37,240 I just think already Ritter at the .1 more time that I think I 1556 01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:39,960 really like the work that like JJ and Reeves do on this like 1557 01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:42,560 market stuff. I'm just really skeptical of 1558 01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:46,480 like the tight end market trends because it literally is like 3 1559 01:21:46,480 --> 01:21:50,200 or 4 players over the last decade that have been dominating 1560 01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:53,160 tight end scoring. It's like Antonio Gates, Gronk, 1561 01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:57,480 Travis Kelsey and last year was one of the worst seasons on 1562 01:21:57,480 --> 01:22:00,520 record for elite Titan scoring. So I think it's just way less. 1563 01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:04,360 It's way less clear now who like top two or three guys. 1564 01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:07,840 It used to be so clear that it was Gronk and Kelsey as time 1 1565 01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:10,520 and then two. I think this orders to get like 1566 01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:13,960 massively shaken up next year because we just don't really 1567 01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:15,320 know. I think you can make convincing 1568 01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:17,320 pieces for a lot of these guys in this group. 1569 01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:20,840 So, you know, just like the the market kind of rookie tight ends 1570 01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:24,200 never produced in fancy. We threw that market out trend 1571 01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:26,760 in the trash this year. I think we're throwing out the, 1572 01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:29,920 you know, the tight end 7:00 to 11:00 group that doesn't have 1573 01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:33,560 upside that point out that market trend after the season. 1574 01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:36,640 That's that's my question. It obviously could be wrong that 1575 01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:42,640 that's how I see things. I I see your point, but I 1576 01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:46,080 disagree with it. I, I I That's fair brackets. 1577 01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:47,280 Extremely. Derogatory. 1578 01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:50,080 It's a it's a, it's an all time derogatory. 1579 01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:53,440 That's fair for me. Yeah, OK. 1580 01:22:53,440 --> 01:22:55,040 Like I I think what? You're saying derogatory? 1581 01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:59,880 Your your logic I agree with. I think you're approaching this 1582 01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:04,240 intelligently and I think it's a good point, and I honestly the 1583 01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:06,920 main reason I hope you're wrong is that my bags would be dead. 1584 01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:09,280 My bags would be dead. Well, other than Bowers. 1585 01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:11,720 And I just want to say like I have I'm pretty Kelsey. 1586 01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:13,640 I'm party Andrews again. There's one there. 1587 01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:15,800 It's not like super binary how I'm doing this. 1588 01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:18,000 To me. It's really like, yeah, Florida 1589 01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:23,760 Kinkaid hits upside theses even fried a little bit are like not 1590 01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:28,640 that much clear than Kittle Ninjoku Bowers, Ferguson to me 1591 01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:31,520 that that's the real take. Throw out fucking Evan Ingram, 1592 01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:33,880 throw out fading Mark Andrews and Travis Kelski. 1593 01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:35,560 That that's like really how I'm pushing it. 1594 01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:39,480 Yeah, I, I guess what I would just push back on is like the 1595 01:23:39,480 --> 01:23:41,680 market trends thing. I do think just from looking at 1596 01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:44,760 running backs, like we see this a lot with running backs. 1597 01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:47,400 You know, when Gretsch talked about the dead zone years back, 1598 01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:50,880 one of the things he was noting is like, you know, when a guy is 1599 01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:54,200 actually like projected for a pretty good role and we're not 1600 01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:57,920 that excited about him, That's that's a sign like that signal 1601 01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:00,280 that the, you know, the talent level, the upside level is not 1602 01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:03,360 really what we want. And I do think that applies to 1603 01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:08,880 David and Joe Goo, to Evan Ingram, to Ferguson to a degree. 1604 01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:12,560 You know, we're we're saying, yeah, I think this guy's like 1605 01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:15,120 the number two, maybe the number three, but but hopefully the 1606 01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:18,320 number 2 on his team. And he's pretty solid player, 1607 01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:22,720 but he's not that good. And so I think you're getting. 1608 01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:26,760 And we know from running back that that that's provide a ton 1609 01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:28,880 of signals. So I guess I'll just push back 1610 01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:32,680 on like kind of the all right, our ability to price these tight 1611 01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:35,440 ends, I think fits in with a larger trend of our ability to 1612 01:24:35,440 --> 01:24:39,760 price out other stuff too. Makes sense. 1613 01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:43,000 Last word on this. George Kittle is the highest 1614 01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:45,440 exposure guy. So that's that's really how I'm. 1615 01:24:45,440 --> 01:24:48,200 Playing with it well, famously. That's how I can get you guys to 1616 01:24:48,240 --> 01:24:50,360 agree with me a little. Bit, yeah, famously from this 1617 01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:53,280 show, but Kittle until we took him, yeah. 1618 01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:59,080 Yeah, yeah, I I need. I wish I had more Kittle. 1619 01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:01,280 I I didn't prioritize Kittle this year. 1620 01:25:01,480 --> 01:25:03,720 I like a lot of wide receivers going on the 6th now. 1621 01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:06,800 I, you know, I like I've just taken my receivers in the 5th 1622 01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:08,680 trying to stay in structure and all that stuff. 1623 01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:11,680 And then pits. I was like, I'm, I'm light on 1624 01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:13,040 pits and it's scaring the hell out of me. 1625 01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:13,960 So I'm going to take more of him. 1626 01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:15,840 But it left me where I'm actually a little underweight on 1627 01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:17,160 Kittle. I really hate it. 1628 01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:19,400 I really hate it. I think that of all of the 1629 01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:22,440 things you said, prioritizing George Kill in the sixth round 1630 01:25:22,440 --> 01:25:24,840 is is, I think most likely to be an absolute smash. 1631 01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:29,880 All right, I'll give it to you, Pat. 1632 01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:33,040 Per year roster construction truth serum take. 1633 01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:36,760 All right. So I thought you were going to 1634 01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:40,360 attack 0 running back, but I'm actually going to attack it 1635 01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:42,960 slightly in a very, very narrow way. 1636 01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:48,240 But we are, I think, looking at, as we do the final drafts, like 1637 01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:53,600 if you're entering drafts right now, then especially in anything 1638 01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:56,480 that's been open, you know, that's still open, like the 555, 1639 01:25:56,480 --> 01:25:58,560 I've been doing this and, and, and stuff like that. 1640 01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:01,960 So this might not apply to, to everything. 1641 01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:04,040 And I would just say it applies more to DraftKings than 1642 01:26:04,040 --> 01:26:06,520 underdog. But we're, we've been in this 1643 01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:11,080 environment where like people have really felt that they had 1644 01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:13,920 to had to kind of get their wide receiver firepower, like sharp 1645 01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:16,440 drafters, Like I got to make sure I'm not getting locked out 1646 01:26:16,440 --> 01:26:19,680 of receiver, getting your three wide receivers to start, which I 1647 01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:23,960 do a ton. But like especially now at the 1648 01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:26,800 end of draft season where we are starting to see some wide 1649 01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:28,360 receivers fall. We are starting to get like Vlad 1650 01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:30,720 Mcconkey in the eighth round. We have wide receivers we can 1651 01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:31,760 take at the end of the 7th. Now. 1652 01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:36,120 Is it the highest upside way to play it? 1653 01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:39,160 Like I'm wondering if. I should just sacrifice like, 1654 01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:41,400 no. And this was mine, Crane. 1655 01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:45,680 You stole mine. The well, maybe I'll leave you a 1656 01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:52,120 little carve out here if but, but the if you're trying to just 1657 01:26:52,120 --> 01:26:54,000 advance, I think 0 running back is still good. 1658 01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:56,320 I don't hate it despite what's scrolling on the screen right 1659 01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:57,160 now. I really don't hate it. 1660 01:26:57,160 --> 01:27:00,960 I've drafted a ton of 0 running back teams, but I did a team 1661 01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:07,040 last night where I took Garrett Wilson, Jameer Gibbs, Travis 1662 01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:09,080 Kelsey. This is on DraftKings, Patrick 1663 01:27:09,080 --> 01:27:12,840 Mahomes. So that's one wide receiver 1664 01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:17,240 through 4 rounds, but I grabbed elite onesies and an elite 1665 01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:22,240 running back. And then I I took I got Calvin 1666 01:27:22,240 --> 01:27:25,680 Ridley in the 5th. I took fat Keenan in the 6th, 1667 01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:30,160 played for a little of that PPRI got Hollywood Brown in the 7th 1668 01:27:30,160 --> 01:27:32,680 to pair with Mahomes, and I got Ladd Mcconkey in the 8th. 1669 01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:35,160 So that's five wide receivers through 8. 1670 01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:38,640 So I'm like, I think let's get a little weird. 1671 01:27:39,320 --> 01:27:42,800 Let's get a little weird when it to closeout draft season, we got 1672 01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:46,680 into the groove of, you know, making sure you got 3 through 5, 1673 01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:49,880 making sure you got 4 through 7, grabbing that 5th wide receiver 1674 01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:51,400 a little earlier than everybody else. 1675 01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:55,560 Maybe. But the ADPS are changing enough 1676 01:27:55,560 --> 01:27:59,920 where I think we can like let's I'm experimenting with like 11 1677 01:27:59,920 --> 01:28:04,960 wide receiver through 4, you know, doing like McCaffrey and 1678 01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:07,160 Lamar Andrews with one wide receiver in the second. 1679 01:28:07,640 --> 01:28:10,760 Like I'm, I'm trying to pull that stuff off because I think 1680 01:28:11,200 --> 01:28:15,280 if you are able to like get there, that's where you end up 1681 01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:18,520 having like these teams that are going to be like, no one was 1682 01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:19,960 even attempting to build these teams. 1683 01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:22,160 We were all like trying to stay on track. 1684 01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:25,320 So your sharpest competition might not really have it. 1685 01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:27,280 It's not really how I built all summer. 1686 01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:31,480 But as we close out drafts, I am trying to get a little some of 1687 01:28:31,480 --> 01:28:33,880 these like really weird. One wide receiver through four 1688 01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:39,520 teams in the portfolio. So mine is kind of like that. 1689 01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:44,440 Mine was, we just went a little overboard on the wide receiver 1690 01:28:44,440 --> 01:28:47,960 stuff of like, so if you start your draft with five wide 1691 01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:49,880 receivers, you probably don't need 8. 1692 01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:52,320 I'm just going to guess you probably don't need eight. 1693 01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:56,520 You probably have much greater needs at running back at tight 1694 01:28:56,520 --> 01:29:00,880 end, particularly if you are passing on the elite cadre of 1695 01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:04,720 tight ends that Sam is against. And I'm for I and I, obviously 1696 01:29:05,440 --> 01:29:07,000 you're talking about the rhythm thing. 1697 01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:11,960 I mean, yeah, the 25, the 2583. You post that screenshot in a 1698 01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:18,080 Discord and everyone's like, everyone's like, oh, like, oh, 1699 01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:20,240 just for a few. Drafts at the end to get Weird 1700 01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:24,440 Sam, not for an entire summer. Well, mine is mine is 1701 01:29:24,440 --> 01:29:26,920 forward-looking. My take is forward-looking. 1702 01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:31,720 I think we see a pushback in Basketball Mania 6 and next year 1703 01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:35,800 where running backs come back up where it's not you're you're not 1704 01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:39,680 looking at the board and you know, through 2 rounds, 20 wide 1705 01:29:39,680 --> 01:29:42,080 receivers have gone. I think we see one. 1706 01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:45,920 I think we see one of these young tight ends come up and be 1707 01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:48,480 a top 15 pick. I don't know if it's Kincaid, I 1708 01:29:48,480 --> 01:29:50,680 don't know if it's McBride. Maybe Laporta scores 13 1709 01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:53,520 touchdowns. Feel pretty confident it won't 1710 01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:56,640 be 35 year old Travis Kelsey. But you know, no Stranger 1711 01:29:56,640 --> 01:30:00,200 Things. And so if that's my take, I 1712 01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:04,040 built backwards on that and it's it goes, OK, so how do we get 1713 01:30:04,040 --> 01:30:05,640 there? Well, one, it would be the guy 1714 01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:09,000 who I keep sticking on and we maybe have never said his name 1715 01:30:09,480 --> 01:30:11,320 in the history of of ADP chasing. 1716 01:30:11,680 --> 01:30:15,360 Travis Etienne is like the least discussed player in fantasy. 1717 01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:16,720 Football. Yeah, he. 1718 01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:20,280 Is who has no competition. Like I'm sorry, if tanks Bigsby 1719 01:30:20,280 --> 01:30:22,360 is your competition You have you have the same amount of 1720 01:30:22,360 --> 01:30:26,400 competition that Jonathan Taylor does in in that backfield, 1721 01:30:26,440 --> 01:30:27,800 right? Like literally none. 1722 01:30:28,760 --> 01:30:31,000 I considered my positive truth take serum. 1723 01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:34,840 Another one I considered was Trevor Lawrence is who all of 1724 01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:39,400 the film Bros say he is and he actually just like smashes this 1725 01:30:39,400 --> 01:30:42,040 year and finishes like 4th in. I could totally. 1726 01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:46,000 See that MVP voting and which which brings ETN along with him. 1727 01:30:46,160 --> 01:30:49,880 You know, ETN scores like 15 touchdowns, catches 55 passes is 1728 01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:52,600 just like, awesome. I think Kenneth Walker is like 1729 01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:54,760 the one running back you're allowed to say you like if 1730 01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:57,360 you're in the ship chasing Cabal, everyone's like, Oh yeah, 1731 01:30:57,440 --> 01:30:58,680 Kenneth Walker. I mean, obviously. 1732 01:30:58,680 --> 01:31:00,040 He's not from that. I still don't like him. 1733 01:31:00,480 --> 01:31:03,400 How about, how about, how about Rashad White just not getting 1734 01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:07,560 benched for the 185 lbs scat back from Oregon who's never had 1735 01:31:07,560 --> 01:31:10,080 to break a tackle before in his life and he just, he just gets 1736 01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:14,480 300 touches again, There are a lot of ways this is kind of more 1737 01:31:14,480 --> 01:31:16,800 of a of a like what keeps me up at night? 1738 01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:18,760 Like what? What Like because obviously I 1739 01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:23,800 don't have a ton of these players but I see and I disagree 1740 01:31:23,800 --> 01:31:26,440 with this comment. I actually am excited about ETN. 1741 01:31:26,440 --> 01:31:29,320 I don't really care that Etn's results were poor last year. 1742 01:31:29,440 --> 01:31:33,000 My base take is I still think ETN is an above average and 1743 01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:36,200 efficient football player. It really depends like the 1744 01:31:36,240 --> 01:31:39,280 running back metrics, it depends what you look at and it's so 1745 01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:42,400 hard to look at running back skill in a single stat. 1746 01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:45,360 But missed tackles forced for attempt has been one that 1747 01:31:45,680 --> 01:31:48,520 consistently shows signal and Etn's great in that like he 1748 01:31:48,520 --> 01:31:51,720 didn't grade out Austin and some of the other stuff that people 1749 01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:55,040 like at but. He grid up horribly and rush ads 1750 01:31:55,040 --> 01:31:56,360 are. Expected which I think. 1751 01:31:56,560 --> 01:31:58,640 My favorite of a bunch he's. Been a bit of a blind spot. 1752 01:31:59,920 --> 01:32:01,240 Yeah, he's been in a blind spot for me. 1753 01:32:01,480 --> 01:32:03,040 Am I cutting it up? Sounds like I am. 1754 01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:07,400 You're you're, you're in it. You are OK. 1755 01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:09,680 It's the it's it's. Rashad White's been the guy 1756 01:32:09,680 --> 01:32:13,240 that's made me nervous, see. Rashad White doesn't. 1757 01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:16,920 Make me nervous. He makes me I took him on a in a 1758 01:32:17,080 --> 01:32:19,720 555 yesterday. It's kind of an anchor RB, but 1759 01:32:19,720 --> 01:32:25,000 in the fifth round because you know, at PPR, I I do think like 1760 01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:28,320 kind of Camara esque where he just like he just gets there on 1761 01:32:28,440 --> 01:32:30,800 on volume, like you're saying like no one, no one's able to 1762 01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:35,280 challenge him. So but yeah, I mean, I I've 1763 01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:39,360 faded Rashad White pretty hard, but that he makes me more 1764 01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:41,160 nervous than ETN just because of the price. 1765 01:32:41,800 --> 01:32:46,800 Etns like moved up in price a bit and I I don't, I just think 1766 01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:47,680 the opportunity cost is too high. 1767 01:32:48,840 --> 01:32:51,000 Yeah. I think I mean the, the other 1768 01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:54,480 thing that happens though is, is it turns out the cabal was right 1769 01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:58,440 the entire time and it's just every team that gets to week 17 1770 01:32:58,440 --> 01:33:01,480 is, is just I is, is completely identical. 1771 01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:05,680 We we get to week 17 and it's a bunch of Stroud stacks with 1772 01:33:05,680 --> 01:33:09,440 Jalen Warren and Brock Bowers at like Brock Bowers and Jalen 1773 01:33:09,440 --> 01:33:14,440 Warren are 65% owned in the finals because because every 0 1774 01:33:14,440 --> 01:33:17,160 wider 0 running back slappy love those guys. 1775 01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:20,400 Like definitely possible. Yeah. 1776 01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:22,720 The other thing that I think. Sounds great for me. 1777 01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:25,800 Yeah. The other thing that's funny at 1778 01:33:25,800 --> 01:33:29,320 like wide receiver that that changes so quickly when we get 1779 01:33:29,440 --> 01:33:32,840 into the season is I think over the offseason, over the summer, 1780 01:33:32,840 --> 01:33:37,040 there's this perceived Cliff at wide receiver, you know, at at 1781 01:33:37,160 --> 01:33:40,800 like the 80s or 90s, like maybe it was the Bateman line last 1782 01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:42,280 year. It's like the Jameson Williams 1783 01:33:42,280 --> 01:33:42,720 line. This. 1784 01:33:42,720 --> 01:33:45,240 I, I would call it, I would call it the DeAndre Hop with the when 1785 01:33:45,240 --> 01:33:48,040 it goes from Hopkins to Sutton, you start to go, oh, I don't 1786 01:33:48,040 --> 01:33:51,240 know how I feel about that. Exactly so that that's. 1787 01:33:51,240 --> 01:33:54,600 Like I would put it earlier, I, I it's like Jameson to me. 1788 01:33:55,240 --> 01:33:57,480 Jameson or Jameson? Bryan Thomas, junior, maybe? 1789 01:33:58,200 --> 01:34:03,000 Yeah, but that's kind of like the perception is in in the 1790 01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:08,360 offseason, but then once the season starts, it's like 10 wide 1791 01:34:08,360 --> 01:34:09,000 receivers. I was. 1792 01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:11,880 Going to say the the waddle then becomes the line becomes Jalen 1793 01:34:11,880 --> 01:34:14,600 Waddle. You know, it's yeah, yeah. 1794 01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:18,080 Like rest of them, like it's like 10 wide receivers that are 1795 01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:20,280 putting over, I don't know, 15 PPR points. 1796 01:34:20,280 --> 01:34:22,920 And then it's really huge, flat tier. 1797 01:34:22,920 --> 01:34:26,520 And we'll find out that there's zero difference between Josh 1798 01:34:26,520 --> 01:34:29,080 Palmer and Terry Mclaurin or or something along those lines, 1799 01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:31,680 right? Like Mclaurin's upside is better 1800 01:34:31,680 --> 01:34:33,600 than Palmer's. But once like the cards are 1801 01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:36,360 played and we see how it plays out, there's actually going to 1802 01:34:36,360 --> 01:34:39,840 be a really flat tier of wide receivers that starts much 1803 01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:41,200 earlier than like the eighth round. 1804 01:34:41,200 --> 01:34:42,720 It's like the third or fourth round. 1805 01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:46,320 Like last year this happened with T Higgins, Devonta Smith 1806 01:34:46,320 --> 01:34:48,560 and Jalen Waddle. There was no difference between 1807 01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:51,680 them and Jacoby Myers who you got in like the tenth round. 1808 01:34:51,720 --> 01:34:54,600 Like not saying like process wise it was bad to take those 1809 01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:57,120 guys early, but that's just kind of how it played out once the 1810 01:34:57,240 --> 01:34:59,960 the cards were down. So that's something where I 1811 01:34:59,960 --> 01:35:03,280 think like there's something to your point, Pat, where like I 1812 01:35:03,280 --> 01:35:07,560 think the correction on 0 RVI think it's actually probably 1813 01:35:07,560 --> 01:35:10,800 right that in the first two or three rounds, we're smart to be 1814 01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:13,680 a really wide receiver heavy. But I think maybe where we get 1815 01:35:13,680 --> 01:35:17,520 it wrong is like really undervaluing the tight ends, 1816 01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:21,360 quarterbacks and running backs and rounds like 4 through 10 and 1817 01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:25,080 we shouldn't be drafting Terry Mclaurin like in the fifth 1818 01:35:25,080 --> 01:35:27,560 round. You know, guys like that I think 1819 01:35:27,560 --> 01:35:31,160 are maybe the ones that like are most overpriced relative to 1820 01:35:31,160 --> 01:35:34,680 other positions. Well, one of the things to your 1821 01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:38,000 point about like the Bateman line, one of your things that I 1822 01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:41,560 really do struggle with in fantasy and I feel like I 1823 01:35:41,560 --> 01:35:44,440 probably didn't do it all that well this year either, is like 1824 01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:48,520 there's certain players that you find yourself taking because the 1825 01:35:48,520 --> 01:35:51,440 market is sort of boxing you into those players. 1826 01:35:51,680 --> 01:35:55,280 This was like Bateman this I think would you know, Bateman 1827 01:35:55,280 --> 01:35:59,000 and Burks I liked last year, but they were, you know, I partly I 1828 01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:01,440 was like, and I got to take these guys because if I don't, 1829 01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:04,400 the wide receivers dry up. I was wrong about them, but I 1830 01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:06,360 was also wrong about when the wide receivers dried up. 1831 01:36:06,480 --> 01:36:08,880 We had Nico Collins sitting there after those guys. 1832 01:36:08,880 --> 01:36:10,800 So the wide receiver didn't dry up at all. 1833 01:36:11,160 --> 01:36:14,000 I mean, the the degree to which we're going to be wrong is 1834 01:36:14,280 --> 01:36:16,840 insane. Yeah. 1835 01:36:17,200 --> 01:36:20,680 This year, I think if I had to kind of say where is that part 1836 01:36:20,680 --> 01:36:22,920 of the draft, I think it's probably like the fifth round 1837 01:36:22,920 --> 01:36:24,560 where we were take. I was taking like early fifth 1838 01:36:24,560 --> 01:36:29,080 round Keenan Allen. You had Jaden Daniels, not Jaden 1839 01:36:29,080 --> 01:36:33,280 Reed going there. Calvin Ridley was going in the 1840 01:36:33,280 --> 01:36:36,280 5th for a lot of of the summer, which I, I wasn't really in on 1841 01:36:36,280 --> 01:36:38,480 that one. But like I took a ton of Xavier 1842 01:36:38,480 --> 01:36:40,640 worthy in the 5th, which I feel fine about. 1843 01:36:40,640 --> 01:36:43,000 But in part I did it because it's like, oh, I got to stay 1844 01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:44,600 ahead at wide receiver. I can't fall behind. 1845 01:36:45,200 --> 01:36:50,520 And what if like not, you know, what if basically that was 1846 01:36:50,520 --> 01:36:52,400 impossible? What if all those wide receiver, 1847 01:36:52,400 --> 01:36:55,440 those fifth round wide receivers like Mclaurin are just like 1848 01:36:55,440 --> 01:37:00,960 overpriced And the move was to pivot, get an elite quarterback, 1849 01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:03,880 which I have plenty of and I've got the tight ends and I've so I 1850 01:37:03,880 --> 01:37:05,640 mixed it up. I think I did a better job of 1851 01:37:05,640 --> 01:37:07,320 like not letting the market just box me to that. 1852 01:37:07,320 --> 01:37:10,600 But I certainly have a fair amount of Mclaurin and you know, 1853 01:37:10,600 --> 01:37:13,000 some Pickens and Kirk and Keenan Allen and all those guys that 1854 01:37:13,000 --> 01:37:15,440 we're not like super excited about as potential breakouts in 1855 01:37:15,440 --> 01:37:17,120 the fifth round. They're just like helping us 1856 01:37:17,120 --> 01:37:21,400 fill weeks at wide receiver. But like, I don't like, am I 1857 01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:23,600 playing for floor? Is that me just playing for 1858 01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:25,880 floor too much instead of like, well, let me grab guys who I 1859 01:37:25,880 --> 01:37:29,880 think can break out at whatever other position and be like huge 1860 01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:33,080 league winners and then I can, like, backfill with Tyler 1861 01:37:33,080 --> 01:37:35,720 Lockett and Rasheed Shaheed and like, do that. 1862 01:37:35,720 --> 01:37:37,520 I don't have probably enough of those bills. 1863 01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:41,080 Yeah, that's interesting. Like what if you just say 1864 01:37:41,080 --> 01:37:45,080 starting in round six, you just took your favorite targets at 1865 01:37:45,080 --> 01:37:48,360 like, like you just pulled up Jalen Warren to the 6th, Raheem 1866 01:37:48,360 --> 01:37:51,200 Moser to the 7th, whoever, I'm making up players. 1867 01:37:51,240 --> 01:37:53,600 But what if you just said fuck it I'm pulling up my favorite 1868 01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:54,800 running back targets for this range. 1869 01:37:54,800 --> 01:37:57,320 I don't care that they go 20 spots later in a DPI. 1870 01:37:57,320 --> 01:37:58,840 Want. Just just to get them on the 1871 01:37:58,840 --> 01:38:01,120 same roster. Yeah, I want three of them that 1872 01:38:01,120 --> 01:38:02,640 have just one of them or something like that. 1873 01:38:03,080 --> 01:38:07,160 I think that's interesting and maybe that's how ADP corrects 1874 01:38:07,160 --> 01:38:10,600 next year that we'll see a lot more running backs go from like 1875 01:38:10,920 --> 01:38:13,920 fifties, 60s, seventies, 80s, still really wide receiver heavy 1876 01:38:13,920 --> 01:38:18,400 in the first couple rounds, but like more of a pull up of the 1877 01:38:18,400 --> 01:38:21,320 running backs after that. I think it's possible things 1878 01:38:21,320 --> 01:38:25,080 shake out that way. I think we get the quarterbacks 1879 01:38:25,080 --> 01:38:27,400 higher next year. I think Mahomes goes higher, I 1880 01:38:27,400 --> 01:38:30,960 think Allen goes higher, I think Hertz goes higher. 1881 01:38:32,040 --> 01:38:34,320 If you know, we potentially get Richardson going higher. 1882 01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:36,360 Richardson will go much higher, much lower. 1883 01:38:38,280 --> 01:38:43,160 And yeah, I think, I think that's to me, I mean, I actually 1884 01:38:43,160 --> 01:38:45,680 think I know Peach Street's term take was that elite quarterback 1885 01:38:45,680 --> 01:38:48,520 isn't a good mood, but I, I think that these prices, it's 1886 01:38:48,520 --> 01:38:51,200 pretty damn interesting. And I, I don't know that we get 1887 01:38:51,200 --> 01:38:55,240 the opportunity to take them again at like, you know, fifth 1888 01:38:55,240 --> 01:38:57,240 round prices, you know, fourth round prices. 1889 01:38:57,240 --> 01:38:59,960 So I've been trying. That's one way. 1890 01:39:00,160 --> 01:39:02,280 Like when I get weird, it's often for a stack. 1891 01:39:02,360 --> 01:39:04,720 It's often for like, I'm trying to get more Mahomes, Kelsey. 1892 01:39:04,760 --> 01:39:08,000 I'm trying to get as much Lamar Andrews as I can this year. 1893 01:39:09,480 --> 01:39:13,640 So if I come out of the 1st 4 rounds with like one or, or even 1894 01:39:13,680 --> 01:39:15,320 2 wide receivers, I'd like to have three. 1895 01:39:15,320 --> 01:39:20,120 But if it's if it's one, it's almost always because I did, you 1896 01:39:20,120 --> 01:39:23,160 know, like an Allen Kincaid would be another one around four 1897 01:39:23,160 --> 01:39:26,960 or five where I'm light on wider see if I have two through 5, but 1898 01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:29,320 I got I get the elite quarterback with the elite tight 1899 01:39:29,320 --> 01:39:32,760 end. That to me is like what? 1900 01:39:33,080 --> 01:39:35,920 That is the sort of the opposite of what I'm talking about, where 1901 01:39:35,920 --> 01:39:37,280 the market's making me do something. 1902 01:39:37,280 --> 01:39:40,200 That's me going, what is the market giving me this year that 1903 01:39:40,200 --> 01:39:42,360 it usually doesn't? And it's an elite quarterback 1904 01:39:42,360 --> 01:39:45,280 stacked with his #1 weapon who is a tight end. 1905 01:39:45,480 --> 01:39:48,360 And in all three cases, you have that upside. 1906 01:39:49,360 --> 01:39:51,480 And if you have to get a little weird at wide receiver to make 1907 01:39:51,480 --> 01:39:53,920 it happen, I think we we should definitely try it out at least. 1908 01:39:54,480 --> 01:39:56,800 Well, we're all gonna end up being running back slappies next 1909 01:39:56,800 --> 01:40:01,320 year anyways because Ashton GT is gonna be a second round pick 1910 01:40:01,480 --> 01:40:04,520 to some offense we really like, and we're gonna make him a 1911 01:40:04,520 --> 01:40:07,480 second round pick in fantasy. Maybe a first round pick 1912 01:40:07,480 --> 01:40:10,160 honestly. Dude we need a better running 1913 01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:13,120 back classes. This running back class coming 1914 01:40:13,120 --> 01:40:17,520 out is a great one. We like think about how like the 1915 01:40:17,520 --> 01:40:20,840 Dalvin Cook, you know, Alvin Kamara, you know, all those that 1916 01:40:20,840 --> 01:40:25,040 group like like Alvin Cook's like still signing contracts, 1917 01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:27,560 like that group is hanging around. 1918 01:40:27,560 --> 01:40:30,160 It's like we just have not had that much talent. 1919 01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:33,520 You know, we've had some really high end talents enter the 1920 01:40:33,520 --> 01:40:35,000 league. But like the depth at running 1921 01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:38,320 back, I think is is worse. Like the talent depth at running 1922 01:40:38,320 --> 01:40:42,120 back in the NFLI think is worse than it has been in years past. 1923 01:40:42,120 --> 01:40:44,000 And that's one reason we're having trouble drafting these 1924 01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:47,640 guys. Or like there's got like I'm 1925 01:40:47,640 --> 01:40:49,840 excited about Jonathan Brooks, but he's coming off 20. 1926 01:40:49,840 --> 01:40:51,720 See, I'm excited about Jonathan Warren's Warren, but he's in a 1927 01:40:51,720 --> 01:40:55,720 committee. Like there's, it's tough to, to 1928 01:40:55,720 --> 01:40:58,440 make the talent based cases for. I just don't think it goes as 1929 01:40:58,440 --> 01:41:02,400 deep. So I guess I would sort of, I, 1930 01:41:02,440 --> 01:41:05,160 I'm less worried about the running back part of this when 1931 01:41:05,160 --> 01:41:07,160 I'm, when I'm taking my receivers early than actually 1932 01:41:07,160 --> 01:41:10,480 the, the onesie part of it because I think the the running 1933 01:41:10,480 --> 01:41:13,040 back player pool isn't just isn't as good as it was like 3 1934 01:41:13,040 --> 01:41:16,560 years ago or whatever. Yeah, why I'm, I'm telling you 1935 01:41:16,560 --> 01:41:19,760 like it's it's about the game is gonna change. 1936 01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:24,160 Like there, there are like five NFL starters, like five guys who 1937 01:41:24,160 --> 01:41:28,800 I think are all better than Ken Walker are coming in next year 1938 01:41:29,400 --> 01:41:33,400 and and probably 2 wide receivers who are neighbors 1939 01:41:33,400 --> 01:41:38,360 level maybe maybe three, maybe 3 honestly. 1940 01:41:39,200 --> 01:41:41,560 McMillan. That's the guy everyone's hyping 1941 01:41:41,560 --> 01:41:44,240 up now to Toria McMillan. I don't know how to prance. 1942 01:41:44,240 --> 01:41:47,160 It and and Burden and Burden. McMillan got all the headlines 1943 01:41:47,160 --> 01:41:49,160 because he just had a billion touchdowns. 1944 01:41:49,200 --> 01:41:51,320 But but Burden might be better than him. 1945 01:41:52,080 --> 01:41:53,520 Yeah. Who's else gonna get Guy? 1946 01:41:54,640 --> 01:41:56,040 That's McMillan. McMillan. 1947 01:41:56,440 --> 01:41:59,560 McMillan. Yeah, we also got robbed at 1948 01:41:59,560 --> 01:42:01,360 running back over the past five years. 1949 01:42:01,360 --> 01:42:04,720 Like I think if it's ran bad like ETN had the Liz Frank 1950 01:42:04,720 --> 01:42:09,600 injury, Dobbins Akers, Achilles injuries, Javante multi ligament 1951 01:42:09,720 --> 01:42:13,040 knee tear. Even Bruce Bruce who was a hit 1952 01:42:13,400 --> 01:42:16,520 also tore up his knee. Jonathan Brooks best prospects 1953 01:42:16,520 --> 01:42:19,560 in this class tore up his knee. Like it's, I think it's been a 1954 01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:23,120 combination of like some structural things where running 1955 01:42:23,120 --> 01:42:25,880 backs, like top athletes are probably playing running back a 1956 01:42:25,880 --> 01:42:28,760 little bit less than they used to because of the money and 1957 01:42:28,760 --> 01:42:31,800 everything, but also that you've just gotten unlucky with 1958 01:42:31,800 --> 01:42:34,120 injuries to be. Honest and and and Braylon Allen 1959 01:42:34,120 --> 01:42:36,560 went to the wrong team. Braylon Allen Braylon Allen is a 1960 01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:39,680 cowboy Braylon Allen is a fourth round pick to the Cowboys. 1961 01:42:39,680 --> 01:42:42,400 If they didn't trade that pick for Trey Lance, where would we 1962 01:42:42,400 --> 01:42:45,880 be taking Braylon Allen in a Rico Dowdle, Ezekiel Elliott, 1963 01:42:45,880 --> 01:42:47,920 Braylon Allen backfield Right now it's. 1964 01:42:47,920 --> 01:42:50,880 Going to seem like a bit you'd be a ninth round pick. 1965 01:42:51,160 --> 01:42:57,080 Higher, higher, really higher. We could read the guy who out 1966 01:42:57,080 --> 01:43:00,280 carried Rico Dowdle at South Carolina is a regional sales 1967 01:43:00,280 --> 01:43:03,240 manager for Coca-Cola dude. And he's a, he's a ninth round 1968 01:43:03,240 --> 01:43:05,520 pick. Like we could, we could push 1969 01:43:05,520 --> 01:43:08,520 Braylon out up higher. All right, I promise you we 1970 01:43:08,520 --> 01:43:10,040 could push Braylon out up higher. 1971 01:43:12,040 --> 01:43:14,120 It's funny you say that because. Oh, you're right, you're right. 1972 01:43:14,160 --> 01:43:15,440 You are correct. He would go higher. 1973 01:43:16,560 --> 01:43:19,200 When I was, I was going through this exercise and getting all 1974 01:43:19,200 --> 01:43:21,680 the closing line value takes and I, I just caught some snippets 1975 01:43:21,680 --> 01:43:24,280 of what we said throughout the offseason, but I had this Rico 1976 01:43:24,280 --> 01:43:28,160 Dowdle take in like February or March and I was like, look, if 1977 01:43:28,160 --> 01:43:30,800 the, the Cowboys don't draft running back and don't sign 1978 01:43:30,800 --> 01:43:33,440 anyone at running back, Rico Dowdle is going to go in like 1979 01:43:33,640 --> 01:43:36,760 the 80s. And that just never, no one ever 1980 01:43:36,800 --> 01:43:39,560 cared. No, no one ever cared that the 1981 01:43:39,560 --> 01:43:41,880 Cowboys didn't add anything. They literally just never. 1982 01:43:41,880 --> 01:43:44,600 Cared I I drafted a ton of Rico Dowdle. 1983 01:43:44,640 --> 01:43:48,960 Like it was just very difficult to get people excited about him. 1984 01:43:49,000 --> 01:43:49,920 It's a. It's a. 1985 01:43:50,040 --> 01:43:53,400 He's my highest drafted player on underdog. 1986 01:43:53,400 --> 01:43:55,360 Yeah, he's warned. He's tough, man, Yeah. 1987 01:43:59,440 --> 01:44:04,000 It's a it's actually it's a it's AP Ryan thing too. 1988 01:44:04,120 --> 01:44:06,600 Like he he should have Dowdell should have went up even higher 1989 01:44:06,600 --> 01:44:09,640 when P Ryan avoided going there in my opinion. 1990 01:44:09,920 --> 01:44:13,000 Like P, Ryan is much more of an impactful guide for fantasy than 1991 01:44:13,000 --> 01:44:15,600 Dalvin Cook. Oh yeah. 1992 01:44:16,360 --> 01:44:19,400 Well, I don't, I don't know. I mean, I think people often 1993 01:44:19,400 --> 01:44:22,000 underestimate the importance of practice, you know, and having 1994 01:44:22,000 --> 01:44:25,040 Dalvin Cook out there on the field, you know, playing scout 1995 01:44:25,040 --> 01:44:27,160 team, running back for the defence is really going to help 1996 01:44:27,160 --> 01:44:30,040 Dallas's defence, which is honestly underrated based on the 1997 01:44:30,040 --> 01:44:33,240 Dalvin Cook signing. I thought you had an earnest 1998 01:44:33,240 --> 01:44:35,360 stake there, Grant you, you really got you almost gotten, 1999 01:44:35,360 --> 01:44:35,680 really. Fun. 2000 01:44:35,680 --> 01:44:40,080 I do, I do. Dalvin Cook is is washed. 2001 01:44:40,280 --> 01:44:42,120 Dalvin Cook is so washed. He is. 2002 01:44:42,200 --> 01:44:45,080 He is. You know, I think honestly, 2003 01:44:45,800 --> 01:44:48,320 Royce Freeman would have been a bigger concern to Rico Dowdell 2004 01:44:48,320 --> 01:44:53,040 and. Dalvin, listening to Sean, I 2005 01:44:53,040 --> 01:44:54,200 agree with you. Royce Freeman. 2006 01:44:54,280 --> 01:44:57,760 Royce Freeman was was not that bad when he played last year. 2007 01:44:57,760 --> 01:45:01,000 He wasn't. Listening to Sean earnestly tell 2008 01:45:01,000 --> 01:45:04,400 Ben Gretch to put Dalvin Cook in the queue on an episode of 2009 01:45:04,400 --> 01:45:07,760 Stealing Bananas, I was like, I don't even know what I'm 2010 01:45:07,760 --> 01:45:10,240 listening to right now. If this feels and I feel, I feel 2011 01:45:10,240 --> 01:45:13,200 betrayed. I I was so confused. 2012 01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:16,400 Well, he, he put Roy Springer in the queue of our of our main 2013 01:45:16,440 --> 01:45:17,440 event. Yeah, so. 2014 01:45:17,720 --> 01:45:19,200 Yeah. The thing, the thing that you 2015 01:45:19,200 --> 01:45:22,480 have to give to Sean is predicting his opinions on 2016 01:45:22,480 --> 01:45:25,160 things is like, like some analysts, I can kind of predict 2017 01:45:25,160 --> 01:45:26,840 it's impossible to deal with what they're going to say with 2018 01:45:26,840 --> 01:45:28,120 Sean. No, he he zigs. 2019 01:45:28,120 --> 01:45:30,480 Where did that he? Dig I have no idea. 2020 01:45:30,840 --> 01:45:33,040 It's it's incredible. I I love that he zigs. 2021 01:45:33,080 --> 01:45:35,520 Yeah, like he like he was out on Pollard last year. 2022 01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:37,400 I you could, I would have bet 100 bucks. 2023 01:45:37,400 --> 01:45:39,400 He was like, oh love. And he was like, I don't know. 2024 01:45:39,680 --> 01:45:42,040 And he and. Yeah, yeah. 2025 01:45:42,800 --> 01:45:46,840 Yeah. All right, so that'll do it. 2026 01:45:46,960 --> 01:45:48,240 For hopefully he's wrong about that. 2027 01:45:49,280 --> 01:45:50,400 Yeah, he's wrong. He's wrong about that. 2028 01:45:50,400 --> 01:45:52,680 I'll please, please, Sean, just just be wrong about that. 2029 01:45:52,680 --> 01:45:54,320 I'll tell us. It's all just this one. 2030 01:45:55,120 --> 01:45:57,880 Yeah. Davis, your serum take, to be 2031 01:45:57,880 --> 01:45:59,480 clear, was you're going along with Crane. 2032 01:45:59,480 --> 01:46:01,160 So we're we're done on the roster. 2033 01:46:01,160 --> 01:46:04,160 Instruction my my troop serum was basically just like I like. 2034 01:46:04,160 --> 01:46:05,800 What if the slappies have gone too far? 2035 01:46:06,400 --> 01:46:09,680 Yeah. I think it would be very funny 2036 01:46:09,680 --> 01:46:15,400 if IF0 running back next year is like, yeah, it's a great advance 2037 01:46:15,400 --> 01:46:18,040 rate tactic, but does it have, you know? 2038 01:46:18,360 --> 01:46:19,120 Is it? Really. 2039 01:46:19,240 --> 01:46:21,080 The high upside West? Yeah, it doesn't have the two. 2040 01:46:21,080 --> 01:46:24,120 It's sort of like the normie. Like sure, if you're normie you 2041 01:46:24,120 --> 01:46:29,680 can use 0 running back. Robust robust RB or hyper frag. 2042 01:46:29,760 --> 01:46:32,880 I could see Herzig's hyper fragile thing coming back into 2043 01:46:32,880 --> 01:46:35,440 vogue again. Like you start 4 running backs 2044 01:46:35,480 --> 01:46:38,080 and then don't take any again for the rest of the draft. 2045 01:46:38,520 --> 01:46:42,160 No, I, I don't think unless the ADP environment changes a lot, I 2046 01:46:42,160 --> 01:46:45,600 don't think that version of it's going to going to ever come back 2047 01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:48,720 in vogue again unless there's a lot more running backs going 2048 01:46:48,720 --> 01:46:50,400 early and you can get receivers later. 2049 01:46:50,400 --> 01:46:54,440 But I do think like some some iteration of hyper fragile could 2050 01:46:54,440 --> 01:46:56,040 be like really in vogue next year. 2051 01:46:56,040 --> 01:46:58,360 It's like 1 running back early and then another in the 5th and 2052 01:46:58,360 --> 01:47:01,240 another in the 7th and another in the 8th and you stop so. 2053 01:47:01,360 --> 01:47:04,760 The the only strategy I know that will never catch on is to 2054 01:47:04,760 --> 01:47:08,080 hit him with the gritty triple elite quarterback that that I 2055 01:47:08,080 --> 01:47:10,600 feel 100% confident will never catch on. 2056 01:47:10,600 --> 01:47:12,000 You could tell me almost anything. 2057 01:47:12,320 --> 01:47:17,320 I, I feel like the story, well, it's, it's the, it's just, it's. 2058 01:47:17,320 --> 01:47:18,680 Cool. When you look at your roster, 2059 01:47:18,720 --> 01:47:20,080 it's kind. Of what if they ping pong? 2060 01:47:20,080 --> 01:47:22,760 What if they what if they ping pong weeks Is is the theory. 2061 01:47:23,200 --> 01:47:25,040 What what would you guys say with the the the? 2062 01:47:25,320 --> 01:47:28,600 And then what else? Like you, You spent three of 2063 01:47:28,600 --> 01:47:31,560 your top five picks at quarterbacks, man. 2064 01:47:32,920 --> 01:47:36,360 It's like it's the tweet format of like step one draft elite 2065 01:47:36,360 --> 01:47:40,280 quarterbacks and then Step 2 dot dot dot question mark, Step 3 2066 01:47:40,280 --> 01:47:42,800 profit. You don't you don't really in 2067 01:47:42,800 --> 01:47:44,560 between. It's just it kind of it just is 2068 01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:48,720 a vibes base. Yeah, I do think there's 2069 01:47:48,720 --> 01:47:51,160 something in your point grain. I realized where I tried to end 2070 01:47:51,160 --> 01:47:52,960 the show and now we're back talking about it. 2071 01:47:53,000 --> 01:47:56,080 I do think there is something to like you've made this point 2072 01:47:56,080 --> 01:47:59,320 before, so I don't want to pass off as my own take, but there's 2073 01:47:59,320 --> 01:48:01,480 something to like that the anchor running back or maybe 2074 01:48:01,480 --> 01:48:06,280 even like bimodal running back, like I don't know, a chain bijon 2075 01:48:06,280 --> 01:48:09,520 start something like that. I think that is kind of tricky 2076 01:48:09,520 --> 01:48:11,720 to advance. But if you hit on the right 2077 01:48:11,720 --> 01:48:15,640 combination of wide receivers, the upside on those teams should 2078 01:48:15,640 --> 01:48:19,000 crush like the zebra RV upside. Teams like should should 2079 01:48:19,000 --> 01:48:21,360 demolish it. So there's something. 2080 01:48:21,360 --> 01:48:24,520 To it depends on what running back hits we get, but it could 2081 01:48:24,520 --> 01:48:26,480 it could very well demolish. It, it could, it could demolish 2082 01:48:26,600 --> 01:48:28,320 it. Yeah, yeah, for sure. 2083 01:48:28,600 --> 01:48:31,760 Yeah, yeah. You probably need something like 2084 01:48:31,800 --> 01:48:34,840 this year's Nico Collins, like a wide receiver in the 8th, 9th or 2085 01:48:34,840 --> 01:48:37,280 10th that smashes 2 or something. 2086 01:48:38,440 --> 01:48:43,520 DeAndre Hopkins catches 11 touchdowns that could like what? 2087 01:48:43,520 --> 01:48:46,880 Like what like 1 outlier performance that you can. 2088 01:48:46,880 --> 01:48:48,240 You don't even have to squint to see it. 2089 01:48:48,240 --> 01:48:49,640 You're like, Oh yeah, that makes sense. 2090 01:48:49,640 --> 01:48:51,160 Would would shake it up the most. 2091 01:48:51,160 --> 01:48:53,600 Like Nico Collins was a huge one from last year. 2092 01:48:54,120 --> 01:48:55,920 A chain is a big one from last year. 2093 01:48:56,200 --> 01:49:00,560 I do think one of those wide receivers in that in that the 2094 01:49:00,560 --> 01:49:05,800 the Addison Sutton Locket, like what if if what if I told you 2095 01:49:05,800 --> 01:49:08,680 what if I told you Romeo Dobbs just catches 12 touchdowns. 2096 01:49:08,720 --> 01:49:12,280 Like actually he does just run 87% of the routes and catches 12 2097 01:49:12,280 --> 01:49:16,640 touchdowns and be like well thanks for it, was fun playing 2098 01:49:16,640 --> 01:49:19,240 but I will be back next year for some Ashton Jean T teams. 2099 01:49:20,440 --> 01:49:24,680 Yeah, I think Josh Palmer has some like, sneaky upside to be 2100 01:49:24,680 --> 01:49:26,720 that. Like you can squint at Josh 2101 01:49:26,760 --> 01:49:28,560 Palmer and see the Nico Collins single. 2102 01:49:28,560 --> 01:49:31,600 No, I can't really, but good for you. 2103 01:49:31,640 --> 01:49:37,600 Take sponsored by ETR. Now he's big underdog, now he's 2104 01:49:37,600 --> 01:49:41,160 big underdog now, yeah. I'm I'm playing both sides, 2105 01:49:41,160 --> 01:49:45,320 whatever's more convenient. Huge shout out though, to to 2106 01:49:45,520 --> 01:49:47,920 Leone on the closing line value game. 2107 01:49:48,240 --> 01:49:50,240 The Josh Palmer thing that was that was all him. 2108 01:49:50,240 --> 01:49:52,600 I picked in week 1. And I think Leonie has Josh 2109 01:49:52,600 --> 01:49:54,560 Palmer has like his wide receiver 10 or something in the 2110 01:49:54,560 --> 01:49:58,560 spreadsheets because their their their rank on him is just so 2111 01:49:58,560 --> 01:49:59,440 high. I don't know. 2112 01:49:59,840 --> 01:50:03,000 I don't know how that happened, but I'm happy for it. 2113 01:50:07,080 --> 01:50:09,760 All right, third, third attempt to wrap up the show. 2114 01:50:10,440 --> 01:50:11,800 We have an exciting announcement. 2115 01:50:11,840 --> 01:50:15,520 ADP chasing will be continuing during the regular season. 2116 01:50:15,520 --> 01:50:23,040 This year we will be doing shows I think at 11:45 AM on Mondays. 2117 01:50:23,040 --> 01:50:26,800 So it will be a first look show, much like the Take Cast or 2118 01:50:26,840 --> 01:50:29,880 Sorry, much like the Slow. Cast. 2119 01:50:30,160 --> 01:50:33,720 Slow cast, sorry. First look show. 2120 01:50:33,920 --> 01:50:37,320 I think we'll be going over resurrection AD. 2121 01:50:37,320 --> 01:50:41,160 PS But it it depends on what contests are out. 2122 01:50:41,480 --> 01:50:43,760 I think it's mostly just going to be bag defending if I could 2123 01:50:43,760 --> 01:50:44,840 project it in. The future? 2124 01:50:44,840 --> 01:50:46,320 It's mostly. Five, it's fives. 2125 01:50:46,360 --> 01:50:48,240 Don't promise any actionable information. 2126 01:50:48,520 --> 01:50:50,600 We're going to be vibing out. It's on Monday. 2127 01:50:50,600 --> 01:50:53,920 Not about games they've played. Yeah, it's it's big. 2128 01:50:53,960 --> 01:50:56,040 It's a victory. Laughing and bag defending for 2129 01:50:56,040 --> 01:50:59,160 one hour every month. It's basically going to be like 2130 01:50:59,520 --> 01:51:01,440 Jalen Warren. He didn't get there this week, 2131 01:51:01,440 --> 01:51:03,120 but he definitely could have if you look. 2132 01:51:03,120 --> 01:51:04,600 At a certain. Point of view he's. 2133 01:51:04,920 --> 01:51:07,680 Gonna We're playing for the second-half of the season. 2134 01:51:09,760 --> 01:51:13,120 The amount of like bad bad faith player comparisons I'm going to 2135 01:51:13,120 --> 01:51:15,320 be able to do with small sample data it's going to be. 2136 01:51:15,320 --> 01:51:17,760 Oh, it's going to be 3 weeks in. Higgins isn't going to have a 2137 01:51:17,760 --> 01:51:20,760 touchdown yet and like Jacoby Myers is going to have four 2138 01:51:21,280 --> 01:51:23,480 over. It's over for T Higgins, buddy. 2139 01:51:24,800 --> 01:51:27,480 Yeah, it's, I'm really excited to see which player. 2140 01:51:27,480 --> 01:51:31,320 I don't know, just just put Jover on in Week 2 or week three 2141 01:51:31,320 --> 01:51:33,160 this year. It worked well with JSN last 2142 01:51:33,160 --> 01:51:35,320 year that that could have bit me in the ass. 2143 01:51:35,800 --> 01:51:37,920 It was close to didn't quite, you know. 2144 01:51:38,320 --> 01:51:42,840 Sam, people forget I was live on ship chasing as JSN. 2145 01:51:42,840 --> 01:51:46,520 I was literally talking about how shitty JSN is as he caught a 2146 01:51:46,520 --> 01:51:51,400 60 yard bomb touchdown that was called back for the slappiest of 2147 01:51:51,400 --> 01:51:53,880 slappy. Like he, he's like it. 2148 01:51:53,920 --> 01:51:55,240 Was a great call. It was a great call. 2149 01:51:55,680 --> 01:52:00,320 Dumb landed out but I I like I was like almost decimated live 2150 01:52:00,320 --> 01:52:02,240 on air by Jackson Smith and Jigma. 2151 01:52:02,240 --> 01:52:04,800 I'll never forget it cuz I was like this will be the most 2152 01:52:04,800 --> 01:52:08,240 immediately I've ever been wrong about something and I was so 2153 01:52:08,240 --> 01:52:10,640 glad I got called back. Be honest, I was in the chat. 2154 01:52:10,640 --> 01:52:12,280 Be honest is that. Was that a worse feeling? 2155 01:52:13,720 --> 01:52:15,400 Was that a worse feeling? Than when you get sniped on 2156 01:52:15,400 --> 01:52:19,680 Xavier Worthy, yeah. No, no, it's it's. 2157 01:52:20,120 --> 01:52:23,640 It has not happened to me since that main event in every high 2158 01:52:23,640 --> 01:52:25,880 stakes draft since then. I've just told my Co manager 2159 01:52:25,880 --> 01:52:27,920 like, look, this is basically non negotiable. 2160 01:52:28,120 --> 01:52:30,680 Like you, we can manage this team together, but one of our 2161 01:52:30,680 --> 01:52:35,560 picks is preordained. Like Jacob and I did a prime 2162 01:52:35,560 --> 01:52:38,960 time on Saturday and we he we I think we got I think it was like 2163 01:52:38,960 --> 01:52:42,480 pick 63 and he was like, go ahead, like just just do it. 2164 01:52:42,480 --> 01:52:46,280 And I was like, all right. We're not going to know until 2165 01:52:46,280 --> 01:52:49,000 about round six if we're actually managing this team 2166 01:52:49,000 --> 01:52:51,200 together or if you just bought yourself a main event. 2167 01:52:56,080 --> 01:53:00,200 Hard to say. All right, well anyways guys get 2168 01:53:00,360 --> 01:53:04,680 get excited for victory lapping and bag defending 11:45 AM 2169 01:53:04,720 --> 01:53:08,320 Eastern every Monday. I'm really excited for the show. 2170 01:53:08,520 --> 01:53:10,920 We we should change that to the name of the show. 2171 01:53:10,920 --> 01:53:13,880 It should be victory lapping and bag defending on ship chasing. 2172 01:53:16,200 --> 01:53:18,040 Really, really rolls out the thumb. 2173 01:53:19,560 --> 01:53:23,080 Bias chasing. Yeah, lies chasing. 2174 01:53:23,120 --> 01:53:24,480 Lies. Bias chasing. 2175 01:53:24,480 --> 01:53:25,640 Bias, bias chasing. Bias chasing. 2176 01:53:25,640 --> 01:53:31,840 Yeah, this information. Bias chasing, Bias chasing kind 2177 01:53:31,840 --> 01:53:33,600 of has a I'm just there's something there. 2178 01:53:33,600 --> 01:53:36,160 Bias chasing, good work. I mean that sounds like a good 2179 01:53:36,160 --> 01:53:43,720 in season show. Bias chasing, I don't think I 2180 01:53:43,720 --> 01:53:46,280 don't want to have to chase ADP in season, so let's just chase 2181 01:53:46,280 --> 01:53:47,960 bias. That's what we're promising. 2182 01:53:49,440 --> 01:53:53,000 Yeah, let's the the premise of the ADP chasing show is really 2183 01:53:53,120 --> 01:53:55,320 falling off the rails. It's it's, I was going to say, 2184 01:53:55,600 --> 01:53:58,880 it's very, it's very loose. It's very loose, yeah. 2185 01:53:59,120 --> 01:54:00,120 It's very loose. It's. 2186 01:54:00,840 --> 01:54:07,120 It's very loose. But anyways, Ernest take for me. 2187 01:54:07,120 --> 01:54:09,480 I've had a really fun time doing the show with you guys this 2188 01:54:09,480 --> 01:54:12,600 season and last season. Thanks a lot to all the 2189 01:54:12,600 --> 01:54:14,840 listeners who've brought us here. 2190 01:54:14,840 --> 01:54:18,640 I mean, yeah, this, this show, just being honest, I think was a 2191 01:54:18,640 --> 01:54:22,480 lot more successful than I could have imagined when we started 2192 01:54:22,480 --> 01:54:25,280 this a year and a half. Ago It is the best basketball 2193 01:54:25,280 --> 01:54:27,200 show on the Internet. Let's just be let's just be 2194 01:54:27,200 --> 01:54:29,320 real. It is the best basketball show. 2195 01:54:29,560 --> 01:54:32,440 Even people who don't like us watch it because it's good. 2196 01:54:33,800 --> 01:54:35,920 It survives. This is the vibes are 2197 01:54:35,920 --> 01:54:37,320 Immaculate. The ADPJ. 2198 01:54:37,320 --> 01:54:40,240 Whether you're you're hate watching it or you're watching 2199 01:54:40,240 --> 01:54:43,440 it because you like our takes, we don't care, you know, either 2200 01:54:43,440 --> 01:54:45,520 it works. Or sometimes a little bit of 2201 01:54:45,680 --> 01:54:46,720 both. A little of both. 2202 01:54:46,720 --> 01:54:49,160 A little bit of both, Yeah. If you don't hate me at least a 2203 01:54:49,160 --> 01:54:50,880 little bit after watching the show, I don't. 2204 01:54:50,960 --> 01:54:52,280 I don't really know what to tell you. 2205 01:54:52,800 --> 01:54:54,280 You clearly. You clearly have been doing my 2206 01:54:54,320 --> 01:54:55,200 job. Premise of. 2207 01:54:55,480 --> 01:54:58,480 The show DD Higgins Representation has been watching 2208 01:54:58,480 --> 01:55:00,560 this just compiling a class action lawsuit. 2209 01:55:05,160 --> 01:55:09,600 All right, guys, Pat Davis, anything to tease that you guys 2210 01:55:09,600 --> 01:55:13,880 have coming up in season or we get out? 2211 01:55:15,000 --> 01:55:18,080 Of here I've just kind of given myself the grace to not fully 2212 01:55:18,080 --> 01:55:20,120 settle on what my in season schedule is going to be like 2213 01:55:20,120 --> 01:55:23,760 until next week. So whatever happens this week is 2214 01:55:24,480 --> 01:55:28,680 is a bonus. Cool Gran. 2215 01:55:30,120 --> 01:55:32,560 I went the opposite way. I decided to go ahead and do it 2216 01:55:32,560 --> 01:55:37,080 last year I, I didn't do a week 1 walkthrough and I felt like, 2217 01:55:37,480 --> 01:55:38,840 you know, I did move across the country. 2218 01:55:38,840 --> 01:55:43,000 So that was a little bit of a, you know, an excuse, but felt 2219 01:55:43,000 --> 01:55:45,560 like I really needed to, to come back and get that done this 2220 01:55:45,560 --> 01:55:46,720 year. So I am going to have a 2221 01:55:46,720 --> 01:55:48,920 walkthrough out. It's going to post Thursday 2222 01:55:48,920 --> 01:55:50,600 morning. Normally it will post Friday 2223 01:55:50,600 --> 01:55:53,400 mornings, but I'm heading to Vegas on Thursday morning. 2224 01:55:53,400 --> 01:55:58,880 So getting it done a day early. We also have Stephanie Miller's 2225 01:55:58,880 --> 01:56:02,440 waiver wire column, the first iteration of which just posted 2226 01:56:02,920 --> 01:56:07,440 to the site today. So she's looking at the waiver 2227 01:56:07,440 --> 01:56:10,760 wire, you know, for the early runs, for your high stakes 2228 01:56:10,760 --> 01:56:13,760 leagues and stuff. And then she's going to be 2229 01:56:13,760 --> 01:56:15,680 posting that every week going forward. 2230 01:56:16,320 --> 01:56:19,360 Matt Irby is also joining the team this year. 2231 01:56:19,480 --> 01:56:22,600 He's a crazy good writer. He's done a lot of great work 2232 01:56:22,600 --> 01:56:26,800 for Rotaviz and he's going to be previewing the Thursday, Sunday 2233 01:56:26,800 --> 01:56:29,560 and Monday night games. So we're going to have that 2234 01:56:29,960 --> 01:56:31,120 coming out AS2 separate articles. 2235 01:56:31,120 --> 01:56:33,800 The Thursday one obviously posts first and then the Sunday, 2236 01:56:33,800 --> 01:56:35,680 Monday night will come out on Saturday mornings. 2237 01:56:36,560 --> 01:56:39,600 We're also going to be doing in season positional redraft 2238 01:56:39,600 --> 01:56:43,720 rankings at legendary upside this year, adding that to the 2239 01:56:43,720 --> 01:56:46,120 mix. So those will those will 2240 01:56:46,120 --> 01:56:50,400 publish, I think Wednesday, update Friday, update Sunday. 2241 01:56:51,000 --> 01:56:54,880 So really ramping up the content that we have on the site this 2242 01:56:54,880 --> 01:56:56,320 year. Pretty excited about that. 2243 01:56:56,480 --> 01:56:58,440 We'll also obviously have playoff basketball stuff once we 2244 01:56:58,440 --> 01:57:02,960 get to that time of the year. Foolishly left at $10 a month 2245 01:57:02,960 --> 01:57:04,320 still. So if you guys want to get your 2246 01:57:04,320 --> 01:57:06,080 in season content, legendaryupset.com. 2247 01:57:06,440 --> 01:57:09,760 Also the legendary running back scenarios article, if you have 2248 01:57:09,760 --> 01:57:12,680 not had a chance to check that out, you can go ahead and do 2249 01:57:12,680 --> 01:57:14,400 that. That's live on the site and I 2250 01:57:14,600 --> 01:57:16,280 took the pay wall off so everyone can check that out. 2251 01:57:17,600 --> 01:57:20,720 That's awesome. And yeah, personally that first 2252 01:57:20,840 --> 01:57:23,480 waiver article last year, that was awesome. 2253 01:57:23,480 --> 01:57:26,480 That's something that I was checked out when I was comparing 2254 01:57:26,520 --> 01:57:29,080 notes with my Sabsaron waivers article. 2255 01:57:29,080 --> 01:57:32,080 She did a great job. It's really deep into the 2256 01:57:32,400 --> 01:57:35,280 pickups there. Quickly my in season schedule. 2257 01:57:35,280 --> 01:57:39,600 I'm no longer doing the the waiver bitch roll at ETR that's 2258 01:57:39,600 --> 01:57:42,520 been handed off to Daigle. Thank you, Daigle. 2259 01:57:42,840 --> 01:57:46,240 God, Daigle is doing waivers and then doing half a Silva's job. 2260 01:57:47,840 --> 01:57:51,720 So good luck with that Daigle. Now, he'll do an awesome job. 2261 01:57:52,480 --> 01:57:53,840 Definitely check that out over there. 2262 01:57:53,840 --> 01:57:56,760 I'm doing a different article for ECR this season. 2263 01:57:57,720 --> 01:58:00,920 The preliminary title is Breakout or Fake Out. 2264 01:58:01,240 --> 01:58:03,600 It's basically looking at the breakout performances from the 2265 01:58:03,600 --> 01:58:07,640 past week that were unexpected, going deep into both the film 2266 01:58:07,640 --> 01:58:10,520 and the analytics. Really watching all the plays of 2267 01:58:10,520 --> 01:58:13,120 a breakout game and seeing if that's repeatable. 2268 01:58:13,120 --> 01:58:17,080 It's sort of meant to be for both DFS and for your redraft 2269 01:58:17,560 --> 01:58:18,880 leagues. If you want to trade away a 2270 01:58:18,880 --> 01:58:23,080 player, trade for a player. I think the deep analysis at the 2271 01:58:23,280 --> 01:58:24,960 player level be really helpful for that. 2272 01:58:25,440 --> 01:58:29,280 And then I'll also be doing the underdog waiver show every 2273 01:58:29,280 --> 01:58:32,880 Monday with Hayden over on the Underdog channel, so you can 2274 01:58:32,880 --> 01:58:37,240 check out my work there. But anyways guys, let's get out 2275 01:58:37,240 --> 01:58:38,080 of. Here, Well, if you guys are 2276 01:58:38,080 --> 01:58:41,680 going to give the whole spiel, then I will do like I do know, I 2277 01:58:41,680 --> 01:58:45,760 do know that I'm doing this waivers every Monday, then the 2278 01:58:45,760 --> 01:58:47,440 waiver wire podcast every Monday. 2279 01:58:47,440 --> 01:58:49,560 If you don't like to read, you just want to listen to it. 2280 01:58:49,560 --> 01:58:52,080 That's a good one. Then I'll have I'll have in 2281 01:58:52,080 --> 01:58:56,000 season rankings on Wednesday. So your rest of the season 2282 01:58:56,000 --> 01:58:59,880 rankings, then weekly rankings on Thursday. 2283 01:59:00,120 --> 01:59:02,120 Then Friday will be the DFS thing. 2284 01:59:02,120 --> 01:59:06,200 It's not going to be like a 9000 word breakthrough. 2285 01:59:06,200 --> 01:59:07,920 It's just going to be like this is how I'm approaching the 2286 01:59:07,920 --> 01:59:09,440 slate. This is how I'm playing it. 2287 01:59:09,440 --> 01:59:15,240 And then I will have battle Royale streams on Tuesdays. 2288 01:59:15,760 --> 01:59:20,080 I'm doing the sports betting show with Reeves on Fridays and 2289 01:59:20,080 --> 01:59:22,280 then the unabated Pick Em show Friday afternoons. 2290 01:59:22,280 --> 01:59:25,880 And then Jacob and I are running back our DFS podcast from last 2291 01:59:25,880 --> 01:59:28,880 year on Thursday mornings. But it'll be on YouTube. 2292 01:59:29,440 --> 01:59:31,840 So they'll be, they'll be. And that's everything that I 2293 01:59:31,840 --> 01:59:34,040 know is happening. The thing is I just I got to add 2294 01:59:34,040 --> 01:59:34,560 something. Well, no. 2295 01:59:34,560 --> 01:59:37,280 Then you and I are doing. We're doing we're. 2296 01:59:37,280 --> 01:59:40,240 Doing DFSMV. P as well on Friday afternoons, 2297 01:59:40,360 --> 01:59:42,760 Yeah, Friday. So that's everything I know is 2298 01:59:42,760 --> 01:59:44,520 happening. The thing is I just have I got a 2299 01:59:44,520 --> 01:59:48,320 hole on Wednesday afternoon and on Monday afternoon that I am 2300 01:59:48,320 --> 01:59:53,400 trying to fill right now. Yeah, I got shameless plug too. 2301 01:59:53,400 --> 01:59:55,960 I, I, I have an opening for probably one more thing. 2302 01:59:56,000 --> 01:59:59,720 Anyone wants to pay me to do something, they'll free agent. 2303 02:00:00,440 --> 02:00:04,120 So hit me up with that. We'll be back. 2304 02:00:05,080 --> 02:00:08,440 Next Monday for victory lapping and bag defending. 2305 02:00:08,880 --> 02:00:09,480 See you guys then.