This is why. This is why.
This is why I'm hot the fucking. Sickest name I've ever seen for
a wide receiver in my God damn life.
Oh my God, look at that here. We should do a highlight reel of
him managing the Reds. Back to the drawing board.
Trying to figure out which wide receiver big industrial complex
ship chasing is going to tear down this year with a single
clip. We should have a charity auction
for the ship chasing clip. We'll donate the money to a
charity. Whichever person raises the most
money gets to pick the clip. No, what they pick is that who
we don't do. The two things that are going to
happen is he's going to suddenly get way more expensive, but he's
also going to be bad. That's why everyone's worried
about the Drake Bay clip. It's not getting a Cliff.
Someone asked about my exposure earlier.
Way too much for a ship. Jason Cliff.
I think it has to be truly in the spirit of wanting this
player to succeed that we ruin their career.
You know, Jalen McMillan, you know, like, sorry, but you know
that that seems like one of the. McMillan will drop passes and
it'll annoy the shit out of you. Very athletic and and flashy and
good but like then the word is unreliable.
Drops was hurt a lot last year. There's there's a clip right
now, it's going to be Dylan Lobby.
Come on dude, Dylan Lauby is all me.
Davis, who is the ship? Chasing guy that they're going
to be all in on. I, I think it's going to be
true. It's got to be Troy Franklin,
right? I feel like the name though, you
guys like like Dobbs, Sky, Moore, Chanel, like the better
names than Troy Franklin. Davis, I will bet you every
fucking cent you own that I can find it on the swole cast when
you said the exact words. I know who you're Sky Moore is
going to be this year, and you said Malachi Corley.
It will be Malachi Corley, no? No, no, Someone has to hold you
accountable, Davis. Still think it's it's, it can't
be Corley, no. Dude, Corley sucks, Davis said.
Mark my words. Jalen McMillan highlight clip by
August 3rd. Jalen McMillan is my official
guest and Gretch is too close. He's too close to it.
He'll get there, trust me. But it it doesn't.
Sound like we're getting there? You should.
Do me? Wrong.
Never trust me. All right, we will hopefully
find out tonight who the ship chasing curse clip will be
bestowed upon. We are drafting from the 109
tonight with Davis Maddox. So it seems fitting that we
would try to navigate and find one of our our guys to mush this
year. We are in the FFPC main event,
$1 million up top. This is ship chasing.
Let's do it. That Fryer, Helmo, Anita.
Hand job. Fix your sight.
Jamar Alpha play Chase. You can't handle the heat.
It looks like we're finally at this.
Point you're right. All right, guys, we're under
way. CMC already off the board.
Davis Matic, our guest of honor tonight.
How we doing? You know, I'm doing great.
A.J. Brown goes at 2:00.
So that avoids an argument that that Gretchen could have
potentially had Wilson versus A.J.
Brown. At 9.
There's exactly 1 player. That's why I'm hoping is
available at 9. A.J.
Brown going at two significantly increases the chances of us
getting that player at. Nine, you wanted you wanted A.J.
Brown over Wilson. Yes, yeah, that is and it's
important I have it ranked. Because you're the guest, you
know, So I would have to take them out into consideration.
Also, we have to do a bunch of drafts with Gretchen.
I don't I don't think we could have done those in peace if we
hadn't taken Wilson. So I think we were going Wilson.
No, listen, let me at the top. I'm going to say this is our
most vibes based draft every year.
We took Derek fucking Henry last year.
Whatever. People, whatever goes, I'm not
going to try to make. Any sense people forget we have
the only Derek Henry Justin Jefferson team?
The only. People do forget if.
You hear me making an analytical tonight?
Tell me you get a You have free reign to tell me to shut up, and
I'm not. Allowed to try to do that
because this is vibes based. Now to be fair, also
historically these teams have been dog shit.
I don't. I don't.
Believe yeah, our team's never been.
Good, our team. You don't.
Suck our team with Leonie's like always the nuts and and to get
that and get the. Sacrifices the analytical stuff
prevails with Leonie vibes. No, it's just luck.
Yeah, it it we do have. We have three one O nines across
our draft slots this year. I have. 21 O nines in the main
already. We took Jefferson in one and
A.J. Brown in the other.
Wow, a lot of one O nines. Drake May one O 9.
That is that is the that is the player that I'm referring to.
We can't, we can't, we can't risk.
We can't risk but him. OK, fuck.
All right, Jefferson goes. So we can just take whoever
Gretch wants. So yeah, so we have the one O 9,
we have CMCAJ Brown, a rogue pick at one O 2, then Lamb,
Bijon, Tyreek. Jefferson is what is.
Are you saying Jefferson's ADP has been like one O 9 in these?
No, his ADP is his ADP is one O 8.
But you know, it's just like it's such a good year for me
that the rooms are kind of just giving me what I want.
So I've I've got them there. Yeah.
So we're going to have our choice of a receiver, Chase Amon
Raw and Garrett Wilson all on the board.
I assume we're all leaning to one of them.
Yeah, one of these I would. Have one of these players?
Yeah, yeah, I'm going to be very open to it.
I don't think this guy was expecting Chase because he
didn't snap pick him. Like you guys don't want to take
Wilson in this one. I'm not going to.
No, if, if, I mean if Chase is there, I don't even like Jamar
Chase relatively to this guy's. But come on, we we got to take
Chase in. Yeah, but I was thinking more.
I think he. Probably I'm on Robert Garrett
Wilson's Interesting. I'm Robert Garrett Wilson.
Interesting. I already made the case that I'm
Garrett Wilson. I'm totally fine if you guys
want. To go, I'm such a a cuck best
ball drafter right now that I probably would take Saint Brown
just for the ADP. But like, it really doesn't
matter. All right, Yeah, I I really
don't care. 51 seconds off the clock to take Jamar Chase.
Cool. Yeah, if, if we do think this is
more rare, right? ADP 6.6.
That the the one. The one thing to consider is I
know you guys like Laporta. I don't.
I really would hate having I. Don't know, I'm fine.
I don't actually like Laporta that much.
I don't think Laporta is coming. Back.
He's not coming back. I think.
We got other, we got other one or nine.
We don't have a chance to get almond rod elsewhere.
Let's get. Are you good with almond, Rod
Davis? Yes, yeah.
Which is funny because this will this will probably be my only
high stakes share of him I would imagine.
And and even like when I was talking to how I have Garrett
ranked over Almaraw Pat, this is a great example of what we had
talked about where I was like, that doesn't mean I'm saying you
have to take like you, you, you take it to ADP to account other
than my ranks like you. This is a unique situation.
A.J. Brown goes to just.
I mean we, we get Almaraw at 9. Like it's kind of nice.
It's kind of nice. Yeah, I'm, I mean that's.
About it, that's totally the way to play these things.
Like if the room wants to do screwy stuff like that, that
that's when you get your exposure to guys that you don't
now again, very different. If I was only playing Gretch, I
mean, you talk about this a lot in the newsletter.
Like it's like if you're playing two home leagues, you're going
to have a different attitude towards these things versus like
I'm going to have 25 high stakes teams where having no Amanra St.
Brown would probably feel. Bad for sure.
I should mention long time ship chasing viewers will recognize
the drafter out of the 10 hole more cowbell and infamous ship
chaser, our guy Frank here. So we're going to be battling
him on the turn for a lot of these.
All the players. Yep.
I do think you know Amanrara, we're kind of like we little
bored. We little bored with Amanrara.
Like we took him I think 105 last year in a main.
So I mean, I don't. Think I'm bored?
Projecting the 1st and 2nd of rounds of 2025, the case they
made to Sean and I think this is a pretty good case.
I was, I was ranking him that high last year and I'm I'm
ranking him lower this year. And I think those are both right
from a forward-looking perspective where last year's
target competition was rookies. And I often talk about how the
rookies don't hit in a huge volume way.
This year, we know the rookie tight end hit and he's really
good and he's going into year 2. And that's like, and now I'm in
Ross low 8 odd and all that other stuff actually does matter
in terms of especially with the trend of like a number one.
Yeah, yeah. The lead #1 wide receiver shares
that like Liam and, and, and Tyreke.
It's been a trend. That's a trend that I wrote
about in the really early offseason.
But the, the, the statistical ceiling these guys can get to.
Like in my projections, I did area yards and that's the way I
talked about with Alan and Rod, like you're 500 area yards
behind. We're up.
It's Trey. McBride.
That's I wanted. I wanted McBride.
Yeah, McBride, I. Think.
We do. Do we do Marvin Harrison?
Do we do? Gibbs, I Honestly, I don't want
to do too long. I.
Really hate that I really hate it.
I mean. I would.
I would be down for Kelsey's probably who I would.
Yeah, Kelsey. I mean Pitts is like makes it
bad. Yeah, that's what I was thinking
about. Gretsch too.
We could just do like in a lava or a Nico or a waddle like
there's some. Good, let's do.
Let's do Nico. Let's do Nico.
Over Harrison. I'd rather do Harrison.
Harrison, OR. Yeah, let's, if we're going to
do a wide receiver, do you want to just get Harrison at this at
ADP? Sure.
I would be Harrison. Or 0 Harrison personally, but we
could do it if you guys want. I don't think you have to get
Harrison this year, but if you guys are into it then.
Pick someone because I think Derrick Henry's in the queue.
Yeah, no, I need to start. I moved that.
Is someone, David said. I have it pulled up.
But are you? Do you?
Got the queue. I have it.
I have it pulled up too. I just like I saw Derek Henry in
the queue for the memes and. Who put Derek Henry in the
queue? I.
It was not me. It was not me.
It was not me are. You serious?
I dead ass. I dead assed.
Is he just come pre loaded and FFPC?
Is that how it? Works.
I didn't. I didn't even open the room.
So it was one of you guys. Oh my.
God I I also already I've gone 4 mains and I've got Kelsey on two
so it was. I was wondering why you weren't
pounding the table for your chief.
Yeah, I I've, I've got, I've got two Kels.
I've got 2 Kels. Using us to mix his exposures
up. Well, it's, it's also that, it's
also that I, I kind of wanted to take a chain because I, I don't
have an A chain yet and I kind of wanted to just snap a.
Chain off there. I did.
I would have, I would have supported that.
No, you said Nikko. And then?
No, I said a chain. I said a chain first.
Yeah, but you? Said Nikko.
You're like, all right, let's go, Nikko.
Well, I mean. You could have gotten
understand. This is this is right after
you've said Davis that your truth serum is that you think
he's just like fancy Naeem Heinz and that's the guy you want to
reach around and 1/2. On I'm still, I still don't
know. I still don't know what my I
don't still don't know what my truth serum take is yet.
I'm still debating it. I got to send it to Sal in the
morning. Yeah, I.
Got to, I got. To figure out, I knew, I knew
cowbell was going to be a fucking pain in our ass tonight.
And already with the, with the McBride pick, because McBride's
there most of the time. I mean.
Yeah. At that spot.
I'm looking forward to a good repeat of the sacrilegious Draco
draft where we where we get to argue about Kincaater pits
potentially. That'll be good.
You don't have to worry about Kincaid making it back to.
You no, Kincaid goes in the late 2nd.
That's probably why we were. Arguing how many How many Tyree
Gibbs teams are there in in the 2024 main event?
Probably not that many. I'm glad you shouted that out.
We were going to get. A fantasy mojo is typing right?
Now, it's good we addressed that, you know, just
responsible. Basically our goal, like with
most of these, is is to win, Win we draft with Davis, is to get
unique round one and two. Combinatronics is really what we
go for here. Is it combinatronics, not
combinatorics? Combinatorics I would Notronics
would be a a machine. Let me just get it.
Let's let's not miss the forest for the joke of the trees guys.
Except I think if I remember correctly, I believe Jefferson
was. It was.
Jefferson, Henry It. Was we had another person on
fire with him? Yeah.
No, no, we had Jefferson and then Henry slid all the way to
the late 2nd where like fuck, fine, I.
Guess did you guys really think May looked really good?
I just got caught up. I thought he looked OK.
I thought Jacoby Brissett looked fucking terrible.
And now? I'm kind of scared that I've
been saying that. Oh, you're a little scared.
I I saw the highlights and the highlights there were like 3
sick throws and a rushing touchdown.
It was only. That that's The thing is they
call the freaking zone read at the goal line in a preseason
game like that, that would that's.
What I want so. So that's me all day.
He's. He's the literal.
Quarterback 31 now like the market has just completely given
up. It's, I mean, the thing like, I
don't care about the consistency at all.
You know, like not at not at all, at all, but like make him
showing me that all the stuff that I'm saying exists exists
was nice When you're like he throws deep, he runs for
touchdowns. It's nice when he goes in and
just chucks it deep and runs for a touchdown.
It does make you feel a little bit more.
That's my response. Was the opposite of that.
For the record, I'm going to pull out Davis here and say you
can't find any clip of me and saying that May was bad.
This has never been about May being.
Bad. You might be able to.
I don't know, maybe you'll. Find that?
What a clue. If Davis has any indication,
these are not claims. To be making.
Sure. You sure?
We you sure? We don't just want to take Kirk
Cousins in this draft. We could set up.
We could. Set up Kirk Cousins.
But but Pat, I had the opposite of your well, I had the reaction
that was like, oh, this is this is what Pat keeps talking about.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. The mobility of the deep pass.
The deep passes were both really nice.
One, they were really. Out of bounds, but there wasn't
a lot of space. The one to Baker where he dove,
who those were. I mean both very wealthy.
That was a sick pat. It was like one of those passes
that like it go like you're like this is early on the throw.
You're like, this is going to go farther than I am used to this
throw going. Yeah, like in a nice arc.
Yeah, it was. It was encouraging for the
thesis of the play. He also handed off 75 * a
fucking course. Kyle Pitts goes three O 1.
God damn it, of course. Crankin Crankin Purple.
He lives in the late 3rd but get.
Ready to learn? Deonte Johnson, but.
Every board I've seen he's at 3:12.
Every fucking board he's sitting at 3:12.
I've tried to make the case to you guys when we were in in the
early 3rd that we could take him at three O 1 but now we're in a
fucking room and we need him to fall and.
He goes three O 1. I've seen multiple comments like
shocked about the Kincaid pick like this is his ADP and FFPC
guys. This is where he goes late 2nd.
Yeah, dude, didn't you hear? Didn't you hear?
Pete Prisco said he might catch 100 passes.
Just in case this isn't a bit, people famously forget that.
FSBT they actually did. Tight end premium Jack forgot, I
think he did forget. 1.5 points that these purples get guys.
They get an extra half point for every catch.
Which is actually a stupid way to score fantasy football,
truly. But like, they're like very
stupid because all it does is make.
All it does is make guys like Kelsey and Kincaid way better
than they really are. And like makes.
Change, but it's all arbitrary. Kincaid for sure.
I mean Kelsey's the boomers, the boomers on Twitter today we're
doing the PPR thing again. And like I, I always say this
like the guys who scored the touchdowns aren't always the
ones that move the ball down the field.
Sometimes the fullback gets the TD or whatever right and.
We well well for that PPR. At least like getting open and
catching a pass is a skill. It's actually a skill.
I actually think completions, even short completions, are
fine. Like this idea that like points
per first down is meaningfully better.
But that's the same thing with Titan Premium.
We're also playing a fake game. Everything we do here is.
Fake. It's all fake.
It's all fake, so who cares if the scoring system is fake just
to make the like positions balance so there's more
strategy. Like that's the fucking point.
Can you? Can you start?
Doing clips of, you know, a guy catching a pass for just like
the cheapest touchdown wide open versus like sick 35 yard
catches. You know we.
Need. To push back, I I really.
Thought against the propaganda. I I thought there was a chance
that a chain. I was.
You thought that you thought the guy.
Who windmilled it in on Jameer Gibbs?
Was going to pass on Devon A Chan?
No, he's got a tight buddy. Well, I guess I assumed that the
Bree Saul Kyron Williams guy would be the exact type of guy
who was a very afraid of Devin A Chain's skinny little legs.
So I at least I at least counted on him passing, but probably
wasn't going to get past the Chase Kelsey Drafter.
No. Clay I I do not know who the
clip is. I I have my guess, but I I do
not, I do not know. Are you sticking with your final
guess? Is it truly your final guess?
I it's it, it almost to me almost has to be Jalen McMillan.
I think had had Gretch at any point capitulated on Polk, I
would have said it's, it's Polk Windmill.
But he never, even after you guys argued about it for about
45 minutes last. Week.
He he did not capitulate. He.
Said we're not taking Polk and I want Kirk Cousins instead of
Drake May. Although the the the the Polk
A.J. Brown comparison did not land
for me. I don't think I said
stylistically like he's a bigger vertical high A dot with ability
after the catch. I think of A.J.
Brown in the same old as like all of those other dudes,
Terrell Owens, all these dudes. It's it's a unique skill to have
like A13A dot and also be a beast after the cat.
After the cat. Yeah, I mean, even like MM Evans
who just went is that hi adot guy, but he doesn't do a ton
after the catch, even though he's big and physical.
It's the it's the yak ability in addition that I was trying to.
All right, this is a this is a sick spot because the guy we
were maybe going to take it two O 5.
That's why I was. Like we?
Yeah. But there also is another player
who I. There's like your favorite
player who I. Frankly, like straight up more
with. You too.
Say you wanted him last time. Well.
Because I know he doesn't go there and FFPC.
Oh my God. Kiddle.
Jesus, this. This.
Room The. First time we're the back part
of the damn. It I say we went, we I mean
Davis here. I mean both.
There's three awesome options. Here you have two of them.
Choices I, I honestly, I, I like, I need Waddle is the
distant third for me. I mean, I would vote.
I would vote. Debo you vote my only.
My only thought on Nico is like in this build an elite
quarterback might make sense and a Stroud stack could potentially
be. Nice, I would get.
Tyler out. That's true.
I would be waddled with that there.
I don't, I don't feel strongly. I'm happy to get all you know.
I definitely, I definitely. I mean, I've got Waddle ranked
after both of these guys. I would go Niko, Waddle, Debo,
in that order, but whatever. Niko's Niko's good by me.
Niko's the ADP value, right? Or it's.
Like all pretty. They're all kind of the even I'm
good with whoever I'm. Good with whoever Davis make
your pick, get your guy. I took, I took Nico.
Nico gives us another quarterback out that's not Brock
Purdy. That's true.
And yeah, I mean, this is a great point, the ETR guys
ducking us. Shameful stuff, truly, yeah.
Pete, very underrated comment. Tune into 99 for for man board
versus white noise machine. Yeah.
That was, I mean, I mean, I saw it right after he made it.
Already had five likes I think. I almost retweeted it, but he
did retweet it. No context, I decide.
Just like it doesn't need context, I'm.
I'm not breaking ties against the Week 14 championship because
we're going to already have the League One.
We will already have total points and best records.
So I'm I'm not sweating Week 14 that much.
Yeah, yeah, it was bullshit because it was just like Silva
and Leone and neither of our leagues had filled yet.
And so they definitely. They could have.
They could have just reread done it.
OK. I had one that did not fill last
night. I was we were registered for the
7:00 PM Eastern one last night and it did not fill.
But our account has also not been credited for the entry yet.
What do I have to e-mail somebody?
Do we look like FFPC tech support Davis?
I would reach out to official FFPC.
Yeah. Yeah.
Can I? Can I point?
Something out guys. There is a chance that we could
have the only Iman ROM, Marvin Harrison, Nico Collins, Derrick
Henry team in the contest. Yeah.
On the ADP and the unique combinatronics of how this
works. I'm still on the.
Board. At 20 I'm I'm going to message
but. Chuckle went ahead of him.
David's messaging FFTC support during our main event.
So first. David said your scoring setting
sucks and then also you took money away from me and didn't
put it back in my account. Anything else you want to say,
David? Yeah.
How do you feel about Taysom Hill Positional?
No, I'm I'm fine with having to send the e-mail.
I just. I just needed to know.
I'm telling Derrick Henry. I mean, it's kind of an Angel
tradition. I I'm not taking Derrick Henry.
It's. Sort of a tradition that we
take. Ken Walker over Derrick Henry.
Isn't it the way? That I mean, I I would literally
do it. I would literally do it just for
the bit I. Think it kind of makes sense,
Ken? Walker's been going on this.
I'm not even, I'm like setting aside jokes, I think Derrick
Henry is the best pick. I think.
We should probably pick Derrick Henry at a huge discount in this
environment. He goes.
I mean, I would take him here. We.
Do get in a weird spot with a
true zero RB build that doesn't have an elite tight end.
I will say like we're gonna get. I actually let me just put
something in the the private chat.
Just talk, Davis. We got. 24 seconds Bowers.
At 4 O 4/4. Feels so yeah.
I honestly think Henry gives us the most flexibility with the
build. He does.
I'd say it's it's undoubted. It's Henry.
I mean it's. It's tradition.
It's it is. Producer, we'll turn we.
Should have We should have been a Derek enemy.
Oh man. It's tradition, guys.
It's it's a vibes based. Draft what?
What happens when we draft with Davis?
I don't know man. Well, no wonder our teams do
shitty. That's back-to-back years to
take in Derrick Henry. You just take glad.
Players. Derrick Henry was two years ago,
right? You're.
I think it was. Two years ago.
It was two years ago. Two years ago, yeah.
Famously, famously 3 years ago we won the opening week bid on
Eli Mitchell and did not make the playoffs.
Oh yeah. I mean, I'm realizing I have to
move Henry down my rankings right now because if he does
slide this far, I don't want to draft him.
That's what I just learned. I, I really think, I, I think
like all jokes aside, in the meme of the Henry stuff, we get
in a really, really bad spot if we just keep drafting wide
receivers. Well, the tight ends dried up.
The tight ends are gone. We're going to draft wide
receivers in like 789. We're going to love those guys.
They're like we, I think we had to take a detour there so we
could. Get paid I.
Think you're right? We had to take a detour.
But yeah, I, I really, I, I, I was, I mean, I know like from
ADP, it's crazy. I would have just taken Ken
Walker. Like I think you just take a
player you want to take instead of the big.
ADP I I mean, I don't book any bet Derrick Henry over Kenneth.
Walker, I mean, I'll. I'll book any action on that,
like I like Kenneth Walker, but it's that's I don't think
they're in the same tier. I would have taken, I would have
taken DJ Moore there probably, but.
I think the receivers were interesting.
Flowers more Metcalf. I've probably been Metcalf
Walker. Will go in this tier in Vegas.
That's the, I don't know, like I care to book a full season
points bet the last time we did that beat like at the end of the
year. It was like, I remember
messaging you. I was like, you owe me 100 bucks
and I was like. It's like the.
You don't want to win because you don't.
You don't want to lose like. It's just like a.
Why I I make bets with Pat Every year we send the same $100 back
and forth. Since 20. 17 it's good.
Yeah. Yeah, now he's going to.
Now he's. Going to have to send me 100
bucks when Jaylen Hyatt dust area slightness.
I don't know, man, that one's still it's it's the worst bet
ever, but they're both pretty live.
Rashad White, 49 in this economy.
I do this is this room has been unhinged.
This this is extremely. New than Walker, Yeah.
Where does where does he show up in your projections?
30 points higher than Walker in my projections.
DPR quite a bit higher. I projected him to leave the NFL
in touchdowns. I the I just like is there a
ceiling? Like can he catch passes?
Like how much does he actually? Kind of build around him like a,
like a. He definitely can't.
He definitely can't and won't catch passes.
Yeah. It's a hero running back Bill,
basically. It's a hero wanted.
You're hoping for like a 75th percentile type.
Like, I mean like on the scale of like all the running backs,
like nameless, faceless running backs, you're not going to get
the 100th percentile legendary ceiling.
You're not, but he's a fourth. Been in the 4th rounds?
You know, it makes more sense, especially in an environment we
know we're going to. Hammer, All right.
Last year, Gus Edwards and Justice Hill combined to run for
16 touchdowns and 1300 yards. So if he just does that and then
adds in Keith Mitchell's 400 yards touchdowns, then we are
fucking cooking with gas. We're cooking with gas.
We're doomed. Is this how the projection
sausage gets made? Over at davismatic.com.
I don't have to do, I don't have to do projections anymore.
I just get to, I just get to reference Mike Clay's free
projections and just assume that's relatively close to like
a good median projection. That's why I also, I'm like, I
need to like figure out, you know, some I need to put some
numbers to some of this, like ESPN, Mike Clay projections.
Let's see. Yeah.
Like, well, I, I was talking about this with with Jacob this
morning. So my number 13 player is Nico
Collins. Like my redraft tears is Nico
Collins and my number 27 is DJ Moore.
They project eight points different on Mike Clay's
projection over the course of an entire season. 888 points.
That's how. That's how shitty the second
round of drafts is this year. Yeah.
Who was the two? Yeah.
Who DJ versus? Eco and DJ Moore.
Don't you think? I mean, I guess the thing I I I
like, I don't, I mean doing the better and best ball thing.
I just feel like no one went to start DJ Moore and man is just
going to feel real bad this. Year that that is a that is a
zero that is a zero ball knowledge take because.
You you have a zero format knowledge take and you have a
best ball brain from doing 4000 puppy drafts and you're gaslight
into thinking he's just a good pick.
Everywhere. Get the fuck out of here.
Caleb Williams. Caleb Williams is so much better
than than what any really any Bears ADP would indicate, I
think. I think he's going to
immediately come in and be like the 9th best passer in the NFL.
So Tank was goes behind T&Z in this one.
I guess I shouldn't talk about players.
Sorry, the Yeah. So we since we picked Henry, we
saw DJ Moore, Ferguson, Metcalf, Allen, Rashad White, Pittman
Pickens, Zay Flowers, T Higgins, Jalen Hurts, Amari Cooper and
now Josh Jacobs go off the board here.
The Rashad White drafter, he, he comes back around, he's like,
holy shit, Josh Jacobs is still here.
He was like really debating. He was like really debating to
take it four times. What?
Do I? Do.
Yeah, I mean, DJ Moore was the wide receiver seven last year
with with a guy who got traded for a conditional sixth round
pick. I I I'm very confident that.
But I mean, he also got Keenan Allen and Roma Dunsay there. 230
LB Keenan Allen. I don't that is such a news
story of DJ Moore Ball too. It's so it's so it's so fake.
The I, I'm, I'm a DJ Moore ball because I've been a DJ Moore
ball his entire career. And he got like close to league
average deep passing last year out of Fields and was the wide
receiver seven. I I, I think he he is good.
He also. Had.
Far, far, far, far far less competition for targets than
he's going to have this year. I mean, I, I would, I would, I
would have to defer to Gretsch who does the projections on
you're. Going to have to defer to me if
Darnell, Mooney and V list. No on more.
Competition than Keenan Allen and Roma Dunze.
On how many pass attempts he's got the Bears for and does he
have the wide receivers combining for 60% of the
targets? 70% of the targets, Like some
teams don't really throw their running backs, Some teams don't
emphasize the second tight end like that.
That stuff is different. That stuff's tricky, but the
bears are because, because we don't know with Caleb and stuff,
but the bears are talking about using a second tight end quite
right. Like the stuff matters.
And they were rotating off the receiver some to get the second
tight end on. It wasn't just commit coming off
SO. Well, that would be that.
I I bet my I bet my bottom dollar.
That's Rome to begin with, and then Keenan in the second-half
of the season. That seems most likely to me,
but I mean, it's just like there's a, it's an uncertainty
element to DJ Moore outlook that that I don't love.
Right. So.
Rashi Rice goes off the board, then Joe Mixon, we're on deck.
There's the Kelsey Kittle team in front of us and then we are
picking. We had a lot of.
No, I mean, there's one. There's one name that I think we
would all like to click. Well, there's a couple names I
think. Yeah, Gretsch put the both names
in the private chat. That's that's what I'm thinking
about. I I agree with this player.
All right, all right. I think, I think that's what we
do. I think we're on the same page.
I think we got to do well, let's I that's that's who I would,
that's who I would want to. But Pete, to your to your point
in the chat, I think it's true of both.
OK. So thank you.
That was the other guy. All right.
Windmill Bowers. Rock Bowers.
Yes. I mean, yeah, So what?
Brock Bowers 80P is 68 and we're picking him Producer.
It's hey buddy, someone got on a plane last year, flew to Las
Vegas, spent $2000 in drafted Kyle Pitts one O 4.
I think taking Brock Bowers at 59 is.
Fine. Why are you?
Why are you narrating what we did last year?
I do love the idea. Just like you get on the flight
for like the sole purpose of making one pick.
You're like, it's a business trip I'm getting.
I hope it's at 1:04. Back on the.
Fucking JetBlue. Then you, then you just.
You just, you just hit the plane.
You just hit the plane and you're like, I'm out.
I I did, I did. I sent a message.
It was about it was about sending a message.
The credits are old. All right.
So we got a Mon Raw, Marvin Harrison, Nico Collins, Derrick
Henry, Brock Bowers. We can get back to pissing.
Well, so actually I, I would have really liked to, I, I maybe
would have even with how much I like Bowers, I, I maybe would
have taken tank there anyways, because now we are in kind of a
tricky spot with our wide receiver 4, which is a a
position we all think is very important in this format.
There's some guys I mean. How do we do again, back to the
best ball brain thing? Like I mean, I would have been
down for tank there, but the technico stuff.
I I think Bowers is is definitely best for our our.
Building Oh, I agree, but then this then if Bowers goes we you
know, then this becomes your classic your your classic Tyler
Conklin. We're making waiver wire bids
for right Thun Mocker in Week 3. Like just your your class he's
a. He's a Jake Ferguson bear.
Davis Allen had five targets last.
Week. Yeah, it's like we've all, we've
all had to like look up Grant Calcaterra at some point.
For one. Of those games.
OK, listen, Jeremy Rucker could be a breakout player.
Oh shit. OK, Walker went I, I was going
to say Walker is, is pretty strong here.
I. We saw him going like the fourth
in one of ours. I was trying to find that
because I I. Mean I felt like I was.
Talking out of my ass, but. We are kind of in jail here.
I I don't really know who to take.
Oh, I got. Weird idea, Frank, Who do you
got, Greta? Well, I mean, I think you could
go, you could go either either of the vet receivers, either
Keenan Allen or Deonte Johnson would be my two guys.
Any anyone, Anyone but Deonte Johnson.
Anyone but Deonte. I think Keenan's a good pick.
I like Deonte fine, but if. You're I should also mention
Godwin and Ridley are available as well.
I'd be Keenan over those two. I do have.
Keenan, you hate Keenan, right? No, Keenan, I am Giga bears any
bear. All right, Keenan, it is.
I'm fine with Keenan man, Keenan's PR team needs to get
out in front of this because it's just all.
I mean everyone just calls him Fat Keenan now like the did.
The dude is nothing to anyone but Fat Keenan.
Like has anyone seen him be fat? Someone wrote his weight.
One Bears beat writer said he looks to be 230.
Not not his listed weight, not not like an official team
anything. Just he looks to be about 230
lbs. Like what I now expect to
happen, knowing how training camp works, is that Keenan Allen
is going to post a video of him like shredded tomorrow.
He's. Going to be like.
I'm 205 you motherfuckers. That's that's the state of
fantasy football now is like there's a wind blowing in
Chicago that makes Keenan Allen's shirt look a little
baggier and a reporter's like, did he gain some weight?
And then all the fucking sweaty fantasy nation calls him Fat
Keenan for the rest of the summer.
The. Rest of his life.
Guys, guys, guys were posting training camp photos of Keenan
in my discord being like, I don't know, it kind of looks
like he's got a paunch here. Doesn't help.
Him that he just has this like completely unkempt beard and
does look like a mid 30s dad. Well, yes, he is.
He's now he's now transitioned into being.
All right, it it already happened.
There's already a clip of someone going these these
aggregators said he was 230 and he looks totally normal.
The aggregator said. This guy goes MF, said Keenan
Allen was 234 crying laughing emojis.
Those aggregate accounts are so ass.
We used to come home from school and say the mean kids called me
fat and now we say the aggregators called.
Me Aggra dove dove climbin called Keenan Allen fat.
The guy who brought Dove. Climb, he literally was called.
Him looking normal. Are we just bag protecting now
though? Are we bag protecting?
Tut No. This is like.
OK, Levitan tweeted about it. Levitan took.
We're not adjusting the ranks for the.
Levitan he's not just saying appears to Panic of the day is
Keenan Allen is a fat 230 pounder.
Here are pics of Keenan from August 2023 and August 2024.
We are not making any docs to the ranks for the alleged weight
gain. He's.
So good at Twitter. That that is, that is like the
funniest non ironic bit. Because you know he was getting
tagged like at the ETR discord for 24 hours.
Dude, when do you guys get a drop?
Some guys. Are you?
Still ranking Fat Keenan. Some guy logged in the ETR the
ETR discord last night. I was seeing screenshots of this
and and added Levitan and Silva or maybe Sherman and and and
said I he wanted to be refunded his 3999 because Cole Commet had
not been moved far enough down after being rotated out with
Gerald Everett and it showed laziness in the rankings.
I love the idea of holding my towel to like every single piece
of news is a test. And I'm refreshing to see.
Did you? Pass it.
That's doc him 1 1/2 slides. You've got your own ranks that
you meticulously adjust. Did you?
Did you know where Come out enough.
Just use your own rights man. Sick, sick job of the room
giving the Kelsey drafter Mahomes in the in the sixth
round. I do love that.
Yeah, that's pretty, pretty good there.
We have one of those. We have the Kelsey Mahomes.
So fun. It's fun.
Our dude, our dude Frank with with worthy at six three.
I mean, that is just, I knew this, that's like getting shot.
I mean that to me that is equivalent to get like.
It feels like I got shot and like.
Yeah, I'm sure. Brian Robinson.
How many times have you been shot, David?
How did? You.
Know it's what I imagined getting shot to feel like.
Davis is so white that getting shot to him feels like getting
sniped on Xavier. Worth.
Xavier Worthy. I can't imagine a worse outcome
for my day. Anytime, anytime I enter into a
draft, I'm like, if Xavier Worthy goes, I'm gonna really
freak. Out.
I really hope he doesn't go more than I get shot because those
are equally. Those are equally.
Bad doc, I'm having abdominal pains keep getting sniped on.
Xavier. Worthy any any draft where I get
sniped on Xavier. Worthy the next one I play mini
men as it starts to really high button.
They return. Davis, you need to put a little
gauze like over your your ear here after that see.
We need we need the the best ball Bros to go to the doctor
this year when they got snack. Well, A.
Little spoiler Doctor's making a a cameo in this year's best
ball, bro. Good.
All right. Let's catch up.
I feel like this was an all time offseason for the fantasy
lawyer, by the way. Like feels like fantasy lawyer
should really make it. Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, basically everyone did.
Yeah, let's service. So since we took Keenan, Patrick
Mahomes, Lamar James, Connor, Deonte Johnson, Godwin, Kamara
Ridley, Anthony Richardson, Aaron Jones, Romandre and Samir
White as we enter the middle of the 7th.
Now I will say, you know, it was a little when you're actually in
the app, you guys wouldn't be able to see this on there when
you're actually in the app for Keenan Allen, it does have a
little fat it's. Just.
An app. It's a red.
This is a red fat. It does give you a pause when.
What is that? Is that an is that 3 scoop ice
cream cone next to Keenan Allen? That's the injury, that's the
injury. Like sometimes they show like a
little me next to the out button.
They just show. They just show an ice.
They just show fries. I used to draft Eddie Lacy just
because there was a Turkey leg next to his name.
We're going to have a tough decision here, I think I.
I like the name in the queue a lot.
Well then I just put another name in the queue.
There's. Another guy refresh that queue.
Fits the structure although. I I.
Think I like the. Newer name in the queue a little
more given what I think will. Happen.
I like them both. I want them both.
I would also like them both, but I think if you look at Mr. Moore
cowbell that would. Help us there is there I I would
say both of these guys are are incredibly unlikely to come
around so. I feel pretty strongly about one
over the other looking at the board right here.
OK, what? Do you put in the chat?
Well, I yeah, I mean, I know what you're he Frank is going to
take one of them. Right.
For sure. Absolutely.
I think I care about the wide receiver a little bit more, but
let's just talk it out, I mean. No, I, I think it's just hard.
Well. I'm just the receiver comes back
around, there's a. Number, I think there's a
chance. I don't think.
I don't think Stroud will because Stroud.
Won't. I will say on these FFPC teams,
I I generally always end up looking at it like, man, we took
that quarterback early and I could have gotten quarterback X
in round 11. Well, Kyler Wentz, we had
Harrison. Kyle it's it's, it's do we want
to do offers drought like. If you it's doing, I want to.
Drought over the drought. OK, we can do Stroud.
A really high weekly ceiling and I mean you get the second year
potential. He was so good.
As rookie, it's just, it's just one of those things where Stroud
finishes quarterback 7 right where we drafted him, but
doesn't have like a crazy Sprint or whatever.
And we look back on it and we're like, oh, Jared Goff outscored
CJ Stroud in the Sprint and instead of taking wide receiver
that we liked, we we got. Yeah, you.
Know Pat, you can live without Jalen Warren on one team.
I mean, yeah, I mean, we're we're still looking at
receivers. I would I would assume.
Javonte Williams. Hey, what?
Yeah, I mean, shit, Caleb, actually, probably what?
Javonte was my highest running back for a while there.
I am too high. Caleb's ADP is all over the
place. It's a little harder to.
Yeah, we snapped to Caleb in a high stakes.
The other night at nine in the ninth round, and then realized
like immediately upon clicking the button, it was bad.
Like just it, like literally immediate regret.
Like that was stupid so. Where did we just take Rome in
our slow draft? Was it at the 8-9 turn?
I. Think it was at the 8-9 turn,
right? Yeah.
Oh, here's a good, here's a good, here's a good truth, Sir.
Rome is going to score more points than Keenan.
Like I just straight up have Rome over Keenan.
Rome's going to score more than Keenan, OK, he's.
He's the he's the 9th. Sure, we'll book that for 50.
He's. Just trying to bet everyone
tonight. Well I want if I could just bet
I'd get oppo truth serum hot takes.
Like a yeah, that's a great. That's so like if if everyone
everyone who sends one in everyone sends one.
In he's just booking opposite us at even odds.
Like fuck, it's a bad video of Princess Manian.
All right, the queue, the queue, the queue is getting killed.
Rome and BTJ go. That sucks.
That hurts. That hurts.
Yeah, so ADP, you got Swift in most.
I, I just put a, I just put a, she put a name in the queue.
This is after where he's been going.
This is after where he's been going in Maine.
Jalen goes. Yeah, I mean, I would have been
strongly worn over Brown. I think to me that's when Chase
Brown jumps a shark, but it doesn't really.
Matter. I did just post that clip of
you, Dwayne and and Gretch talking about Chase Brown and
the Jalen. Ward That's that's, that's the,
that's the line for me as well. I've got them, I've got them
back-to-back. Yeah, yeah.
Brian Thomas what had a good preseason.
I don't think Frank wasn't going to let JSN go either.
And then? Brooks he.
Snapped Brooks. I wondered if he would, but he
he just snapped Brooks. I'd be lad here.
That's why I thought you would be mine.
Or I mean, you could go to Hollywood Brown.
We don't need him. Oh, did he go?
He already went. I missed it.
What about Chase Brown? I like I like going the receiver
here, especially with like in a room where Rome and Thomas go
off 2 rounds before they did before.
I'm with Davis. I think I like the running backs
more here. What is the?
What is the functional difference I mean?
Glad might be really good. He's got Justin Herbert as a
quarterback. Glad might be really good.
I kind of like, I kind of like LAD a little bit more when we
don't have a quarterback, if that makes sense like that,
that's. The This is why this is.
Why I want it, yeah. The quarterback pick, I think
there's, I think we're approaching a real tier here.
Watson, Mcconkey and Coleman to me at the end of a.
Tier I'm on team chase Brown but.
I'm team Chase Brown too. I'll go chase Brown, too.
Let's test it. Let's go, let's go.
We had to. I got one.
I got one, I got one. We're the only, you know what, I
we might be the only Derrick Henry Chase Brown team because
the Derrick Henry drafter fucking loves that Moss.
That's. A great point.
Pete, talk to me about the structure element here, because
that structurally this felt like a like risky not to take the
receiver to me. I I I wanted to take JSN over
Stroud but I was. I was kind.
Of so OK, so it's a player. OK, Yeah, basically already we
basically already have lived through the mistake of taking
the. Quarterback.
I will also admit I did not in a million years expect Rome and BT
to go. That's so I would.
Think that before. We go Stroud Rome, was was my
thought. But why is Ladd that far down
compared to those guys? He's really not I.
I think like I don't, I don't like LAD, but Pat and I have
already done this argument, I I think.
But he's back at practice. Since your whole argument was
about how he's injured, he's back at practice.
Well, I don't. I don't like him as a prospect
either. I don't like the situation in
Los Angeles. I don't like the setup at all.
What what about the setup concerns you are?
You serious? Yeah, he's the number.
He's potentially the number one. Like we don't first of all, we
don't even know if he's good. Like literally we don't know if.
Any of these rookies are good. That's part of the people.
Right. But we've also made it really
good. Yeah, I JSN he was.
Really better than 97 snaps that he played at.
George, honestly, that's the crazy thing about him, is he was
awesome. He only he didn't really ever
play. His per out stuff's good, JS NS
a way better pick. I mean, I like.
I just I still think Stroud. Adds a lot to to this.
Bill, yeah, I mean, I guess he. Adds to our ceiling outcomes for
sure. So one thing that the going back
is I knew that we should have like 2 non wide receiver picks
like by this stretch. And I think we all surprised
ourselves that we had three, which then put us behind the 8
ball that wide receiver like I think we needed to flip now
knowing. And so to me, once we did the
Henry Bowers, we needed to take wide receiver there.
I I think my opinion is that we're in a, we're in pretty good
shape. I mean, we started with three
receivers. It's A2 receiver format.
We took Henry as the faller. We're saying he's going to be a
very startable running back all year.
Yeah, I don't think we're like out of it because we don't have
more than four through 8. And there's also some decent
receiver values that will come up and we can continue to build
it build out. But you go receiver, receiver,
receiver, we take Harrison AT2O four.
Like we're saying that those three guys are gonna be stars,
right? No, and I'm just saying I'm
gonna like the two V2 like the wide receiver we get here.
I'm going to like this Chase Brown wide receiver 2V2 versus
Ladd in what running back we would have taken here.
Sure, which is why I'm completely comfortable with the
Chase Brown pick. You put Ladd in the tier with
the next students that we might be talking about, which I yeah,
I mean, I think the the receivers will come back at
9:10. I don't think we're gonna be
like. I agree.
I actually agree with Peter. I I I've got, I've got Ladd.
I mean, I think I literally have lad 30 spots behind Rome in my
graph rankings. No, I've got Rome very.
I've got, I've got Rome very. I've got Rome very high, but.
Well, you said you have them ahead of Kenan, so that is going
to be. I mean, I literally have them
back-to-back. That's like, that's like, that's
like hot takery. But well, it's not hot takery.
I believe it and I'm drafting it that way, but.
I have I have. These are just wide receiver
rankings, but I have Roman Lad one spot apart, but they're in a
different tier. Rome's the last of 1 tier Lad's
the start of. The day that makes sense to me.
That's kind of the way I think about it.
Like you get to me the the lad, Keon Coleman, Christian Watson
to you know, different type of bet, but similarly like those
are really interesting wider super fives to me.
In the eight round I have LAD in that tier with those guys, yeah,
BT so that's for me. I just.
Think BTJ, Yeah. Like.
And to me, Jason's kind of in that tear, like that's not like
he's he's someone I'm like, are we sure we can rely on him?
You know, he's kind of he's a breakout bet.
He's a he's he's a he's a bet on the prospect profile.
I. I have him a tear up from a
dude's day still. So, I mean, maybe I should have
listened to Peter I. I sort of feel, I sort of feel
like the, the Keenan Allen acquisition is kind of shadowing
what like, just like, if you can imagine what we'd be doing,
close your eyes and imagine the landscape if the Bears take him
nine, they don't acquire Keenan Allen and it's DJ Moore and Roma
Dunze with Heisman Trophy winner generational, like best
quarterback prospects since Luck, basically.
I mean, I would argue there's reason to believe he was even
better because he dropped back more.
I I, I kind of feel like there's.
A more second round Rome 3-4 turn.
Like I kind of think there's a chance that Rome is a Jamar
Chase rookie year level about not with the same insane ceiling
because the target volume won't be the same, but I I would not
be surprised if Rome scores like 7 touchdowns in the final five
games of the season. Like I just think, I just think
it's kind of the the prospect profile and the Keenan Allen
stuff is kind of obfuscating how good of a pick he is.
I think he's a much better player than Lad.
I mean, the draft capital would certainly back that up.
Yeah, there's a we just don't know elements of lad.
I mean, I get it that like he didn't run a lot of routes, but
he was on some really good teams and his targets per out run were
really good from his freshman year on at high A dots.
Like he actually has a pretty good per route run profile I've
compared it to. Rome had more yards.
Which? Rome had more yards, his final.
Season, he's that type of person.
Than lad did in his college career.
I now am regretting it because we should have taken LAD so we
could watch Brock Bowers out produce him again on a
different. And I, I so and I wanted to
bring back the other point that I made, which is that I like
Ladd more when you don't have quarterback solved because I
like Herbert and I, I think the charges are being a little bit
undervalued by the market. Like if this if being really
high on Rome and being kind of at market on Ladd burns me, I I
really wouldn't be, I really wouldn't be surprised by that.
But you don't want Herbert in the in in the main event.
You want to take a bigger swing at quarterback than Herbert.
I mean, if Herbert finishes the quarterback 7.
I'm saying, but like, you're going to get to a point in the
draft where like Caleb and Jane Daniels are really not.
And you're going to be like, let me take a crack at that.
Sure, sure, sure. Yeah, like, I mean, he goes
behind those guys, right? Yeah, right.
And I'm saying that you won't ever get to the point of the
draft where you're wanting to take Herbert because you're
like, I'm going to take a swing on a guy who can finish top five
before that. Yeah, but I mean, I think
Herbert has. So here's the thing with
Herbert. Why can't he finish top five?
Because Greg Romans is offense coordinator.
They're not going to throw enough.
But like that is is like you're really dependent on that being
true. Because if that has a crack in
it, what shines through is he's Justin fucking Herbert.
You know, he's Justin Herbert. He can finish top five
quarterback because of his talent.
Roman has also had multiple top five finishers at quarterback.
I I actually looked this up because someone was asking about
this the other day. Greg Roman has only ever been
outside the top half in the NFL and scoring one time what one
time ever and he's been inside the top ten in 65% of his
seasons as an offensive coordinator like it it he is
good at his job. We we got sick of him at the end
at Baltimore because he's. Good.
How do you argue? How do you argue with those
results? He he got a top ten scoring
offense out of Tyrod Taylor. I, I, he does a thing, he's a
one trick pony. You know, he does his thing and
I don't, I don't think his one trick's going to fit this
offense very well. I'm not, I like, I do view Roman
as a drag on the offense, but I just, there's like a, it's a
weird situation because like you've got the, the past volumes
going to decline a lot. I don't think the offense is
going to be, it's going to be design worse than it was.
I think Kellen Moore will design A better offense than Greg
Rahner. So you get a, you get a
downgrade in volume, downgrade in offensive design, down
grading weapons. All of that needs to be priced
in. But there is still upside
because of the talent of the player.
I mean, I I was wanting, I also like kind of thought.
There was a. Chance you just don't buy that
at all. No, no, I do another thing that
I was layering in that I'm now removing was like Herbert is a
May style runner. We're like 500 yards and five
touchdowns, totally not out of the range of outcomes, but the
the planter fasciitis way changes that range of outcomes
like way. Yeah, I'm also I don't you know,
whatever the the I I think that the back-to-back Keenan not
being able to get worthy and Stroud like we we could look
back at those at the daggers. I think, I think the thing with
the the Herbert's, I think in to steal Gretch's stuff.
I think that it's a really good possibility to be a small win.
I think like a near impossibility to be a that's.
A That's a good point. That's a good.
Point, but maybe I'm going to 170 so it's in the 170.
So I think he's, I mean, just by the price you.
Yeah. I think you are going to be able
to cobble together 85% of Justin Herbert production on the waiver
wire throughout main event. Season yeah that just feels like
you're like here's this huge value I'm not interested in it
cuz I think I can get like something for free you know like
who. Wait till we like look.
At the arbitrage, a guy going in the one 70s, you know.
No, no. But he basically.
Agreed. Look at What do you think the
Sam Darnold versus Justin Herbert projections are going to
be when we get out of the gate. Sam Darnold.
It's going to be. It's the.
Arbitrage. It's the most reasonable thing
in fantasies. Sam Darnold is going to be
projected as the quarterback 9 in week.
One yeah, I mean, sure, Sam Darnold.
Sam Arnold is also probably getting benched by the end of
the season because he's fucking Sam Darnold, but so I.
Mean what are the? That doesn't matter.
He wasn't. Battered just cropped up
yesterday because of a thing and then it's like, oh, he's just as
good as Herbert. Yeah, I I guess that argument
depends on Herbert not hitting any upside.
If Herbert, if this offense is better than we expect and
Herbert runs a little bit more. All right, we are about up.
He's gonna smash. What do we want to do?
There are.
Swing picks. Podium podium pick here, right?
Who do you like the only one? I think Dontavian Wix is the
fucking windmill. I well, I didn't know.
I didn't know that was going to be agreed.
I didn't. Know if it was Davis or you who
put, I mean, I know Davis loves Wix.
I'm I like Wix. Wix is fun.
OK, All right. Yeah, right.
I. Mean is there another?
Let's. Go No.
Producer, that's the up 17. If you guys, if you guys rolled
that on Wix, I I might have just dropped off.
I don't know. I don't know if I could have
lived. Through that.
Wix is a pretty sick pick there dude.
I like, yeah. I mean, we're starting the, the
the 1st 4 receivers are plenty of early season stuff.
You let Wix's role try to develop, right?
Like he's the one Packer that can, if the routes get there,
that he can be the weekly starter.
We talked about the better basketball element, but like
he's the cheaper one that could be so dynamic that you're like,
yeah, we're playing it by the time the routes really stabilize
because they can't keep him off the field because he's so good.
Is that's what his profile looked like last year?
Right. And we're going to do him with
that pack. And Alan's going to miss two
weeks after Thanksgiving, and that's when.
He's going to have a little, too.
Much too much Turkey. I was, no, I'm sorry.
I was zone out because I was realizing that Justin Herbert's
either of his first two seasons would have been the quarterback,
too, last year and in the scoring.
Season I can't believe you are dying on this like Justin
Herbert is like this smash. He's not as.
I pick. I'm saying, well, I I'm pushing
back on the idea that he doesn't have any upside you can just
cobble into. Just a wave rule.
He's he's a he's a small he can return like pick 100 value he.
Has literally he has literally scored at the level twice.
That would have been quarterback 2IN points per game last year.
Right, guys, He's not just in the wall win.
In the if he gets anywhere close to that at at his current price,
he is a absolute smash. Yeah, I, I think we're ignoring
what was his weaponry those first two years, what was his
offensive. We're not ignoring a lot of
different. We're not a shit kind of place.
We're counting it a lot. We're counting it a a whole lot.
That's why he goes where he goes, right?
Quarterback. He can.
Outperform it by a little bit, like we're not.
That's not too precise. That's way too precise to say he
can outperform it by a little. I'll give him a.
Little bit how much? Herbert, do you have a little?
Bit how much Herbert do you have?
A bunch. I have like 1213% Herbert and
I'm barely I'm barely overlayed. On Baker in the last round.
Of course. Yeah.
And and K and KJ Osborne if I'm if I get boxed out.
All right, I'm done talking about Justin Herbert because
it's mute on this team. You guys want to you guys want
to there. There are multiple avenues we
can go here at wide receiver we can go, we can totally swing for
the fences or total like what Mr. X would do like just like
the most boring veteran 7.7 target.
Projections. I think the running backs look
better here. I don't really see the need for
us to do that. Like we we wanted an upside wide
receiver 5 and we. Got it.
Yeah, Yeah. OK, there's going to be a couple
spots we can pick for wide receivers later.
Right, exactly. I'm really, really comfortable
with wide receiver. Now that we got Wix, I was
hoping like Addison or DeAndre were other ones are obviously
Keon or Christian Watson didn't seem likely to come back.
Addison, DeAndre might have slipped, they didn't.
So Wix was the other one for me when I was talking about
receivers to come back. That was like if we get one of
those guys back to us that has some later season.
You know, I, I, I did not think that in this, with this cadre of
men, that that Wix would be a podium pick.
I mean Wix is always a podium pick when you get to round 9.
Yeah. I mean, you're on the show.
Why didn't you think we liked Wix?
I didn't think you guys like Wix, like I like Wix where
you're just like, I don't know, the board's kind of flat, like
I'm just taking. It well, he also thought.
He also thought. We liked Malachi Corley, so he
just thinks we don't know ball. If Malachi Corley went to a fun
team, he he would still would have been a candidate.
So let's let's talk some running back names.
There's def like the two guys at the top of the queue.
So you have OK, we're on the clock.
So like Chubb and Ford are there if we wanted to take like a big
cut quorum and I'm also down for.
Rico. I think Chubb's really fun with
Henry. Like what if Henry breaks down?
That's got to be a high correlation.
I kind of hate Chubb and manage. Yeah, I'm not.
You're going to have to hold him.
I I'm Dowdle, you get the information.
I'm I'm Dowdle. I'm Dowdle too.
I'm good with Dowdle or Quorum would be my other one, but I
like Dowdle too. I'd be quorum.
Quorum we're, I mean we're taking on serious roster clogger
potential with Quorum and I, I get, you know, this is what we
get. This is like I know we're
getting. Information I mean.
Flying up boards. Man, we we just sent the min
pick on on Wix. I think we can.
You know we can. Dowdle's ADP is 7 picks after
this, so it's it's completely within.
Dowdle. Yeah, let's do Dowdle.
I'm good with it. Is Dowdell way less likely to be
a roster clogger because. Right, we're going to cut you
guys appeal is that we're going to cut our ten O 4 by week two
and it's like no, that's not the case that I want to keep making
I. Have an, I have an article
coming out tomorrow on Dowdell specifically because I think
he's just such a clear target. He's just like, like the, the
range of outcomes is so tilted to the upside based on what is
being priced in. We're getting, we're getting a
real opportunity here, I think. And yes, part of it is you can
cut them if it all goes to hell because you're getting a chance
to bet on a top ten offensive line, a top three passing game.
If you look at the Vegas lines for for yards and and touchdowns
for DAC, you're getting to bet against Ezekiel Elliott, you're
getting Zeke. Zeke is being priced at
basically the same exact price with the assumption that he has
the role that we think Dowdell might get.
So we know that the role itself is worth this price alone
because we know that everyone thinks Zeke is washed.
So you're getting the potential for him to be good for free,
just completely for free. It's not free.
There's. Not it is for free because the
the role is worth this on its own.
Well, there's an opportunity cost to another pick.
What if Blake Korum's the league winner that we just lost out on
that? What if Karen Williams?
Sure. I'm not saying that the 10th
round pick is free. I'm saying that when you think
about what is priced in to get him here, it is pretty much it
is. It is basically like the market
is saying he can't be good like Zeke, there's no chance that
he's actually pretty good. But I think there is a chance
he's pretty good because he's a 20 year old running back who's,
you know, been. OK, 26 year old running back
who's barely played is kind. Of a sure.
Dallas has. Got to be It's an uncertain.
To add a late cut right like. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And that's where that's where I don't see I would price that
significantly lower than a coin flip if we if we lower it.
So, OK. So are we saying they add
someone or are we saying they add someone impacts Rico
Dowdell? Because I would say that that is
much lower than 50%? Who?
Who is that even? Who is that even?
I mean cuz we got to stop the Herbert fanfic.
The Herbert thing is not happening, so and.
Everyone talks about some Ajay but like Kendra was.
Gonna We just talked about a lot of Herbert fanfic for the past
20 minutes. Was gonna get, gonna get and is
in the backfield. That's how you win.
See. To me, the interesting
conversation about the Dowdell versus Quorum is like this is a
stronger running back room that we'd normally have where I think
we could take odd sub running back handcuff upside where a lot
of times we have the zero RB rooms where like the early
season production from Dowdell is definitely more attractive.
Where I was like here what? Isn't Rico honestly a similar
like Rico is? Is a similar style cut?
Like he could be 70% of the Cowboys backfield?
Well. This is what I'm trying to say
like. But it's not.
I don't know if it's easy. Is it easy?
He's taken reps, so he split reps with the ones all summer.
Various Dallas beats are saying he's probably the starter, he's
probably the lead back, He's probably going to lead them in.
Rushing every video of Zeke, he looks like your dad, like
struggling to get off the couch. It's like so.
Brutal. But this strikes me even as,
like, do you remember a couple years ago when we were arguing
about, like, Malcolm Brown, like, getting all that hype in,
like, early August to, like, start for the Dolphins?
Well, it it it worked out for one game.
Yeah, but that that was approved.
That was a guy who had demonstrated that he was not
good. This is this is a guy who I
think we should be a lot more open.
Minded talent upside with Dowdell.
That's I think, I think there's, I think the talent that I need
to hit on is Chuba Hubbard and I'm and it's a home run.
Chuba Hubbard's a home run Ford. You think that's in Dowdell's
range? I didn't realize that.
Yeah, of course, of course I. Think I think a Chuba Hubbard
4.3 yards per carry, 48% success rate season is totally in his
range. That's something I've had a hard
time figuring out with a 26 year old who's barely got on the
field. Like, is he actually able to do
that? But.
I mean, we also we've. Seen Mike Davis we've seen
Raheem most we've. Seen Mike Davis.
Well, Mosterts. For Rico, really fast.
Yeah, Mosterts a different type of player, and I'm not saying
he's gonna score 4 touchdowns against the Packers or whatever,
right? But he could emerge later and
other guys have emerged later in their careers.
This isn't something that we should just be like, it can't
happen. It's never happened before.
It has happened before. It's happened several.
Times. Yeah, this is, I like this take.
I'm totally cool with it. Can I answer Dave's question a
minute ago about who's going to land there?
Because I want to point out something that keeps happening
like across the spectrum is like, OK, Kendra Miller is going
to get cut. So now he goes in the 20th round
and he can't be drafted in any kind of format.
Commodity Videl is going to get cut somehow.
He goes in 20th round. He can't be drafted in any
format. If those guys get cut, they're
not going to never play football again.
That's the dude who lands in Dallas.
Like that's the best free agent. They were.
Kendra Miller was like. Kamani Vidal in Dallas.
I want it. That would be.
That would be I. I don't think I think Kamani
Vidal might be if he gets cut. We he doesn't.
But he was his sixth round pick. He.
Was the second this year. Gets cut immediately.
Yeah, I'm I'm playing him as UFLDFS next year if he gets cut,
I fear I think it's too. Certain on that.
The thing that's concerning to me with Dowdell is, is more the
coaching staff because last year Tony Pollard was ass and Rico
Dowd was really efficient every time he touched the ball and the
team was like, yeah, we just won't give him more touches.
You know, like they seem to pigeonhole him into a part time
role. And I'm just worried if they
head into the season with that mindset of like, Rico's going to
get his 40%, but even if Zeke is dust, someone else is going to
get, you know, like that's my concern of like, they saw this
dude fucking flash. He was looked way better than
Pollard last year. I'm like, why aren't you giving
him more work? Yeah, no, I I agree that is
definitely a concern. But like so you talk about
quorum versus Dowdle. Quorum I don't think was that
great of a prospect. Quorum is, you know, he's
undersized. He's not.
Corum was kind of ass. He was kind of ass, but we know
he's the number 2 and so we're like the contingent value's so
sick. Well, yeah.
Rico has the exact same contingent value, so you know
you're. Not the same, no, no.
I don't think that's true because Pat, No Pat because do
the experiment. If Zeke gets hurt and is out for
the year and Kyra's out for the year, where are those two being
priced? It's not even close.
Quorum is going. Right, you're right, Quorum will
go Rams running back. Situation is so valuable.
Right. We would, we would, although it
seems like that. Really Sean?
Sean pointed this out the other day that back-to-back years the
Rams finished dead last and 2nd to last and expected points for
for running backs, which is. Kind of just consolidated all,
he consolidated all of it, but that's that's a Kyra would imply
2. In average snap share to to to
CMC he had 90 plus percent of the running back touches in like
more than half his games. Like it's massive.
No other running backs get that it doesn't happen.
I know, but quorum's not Kyra. He might not get that.
Now I, I would basically assume he would like everyone else.
And I'm not like, I don't want to bet against that because it
could happen and it's so valuable.
But like, that's where I think you go.
Are we overstating the quorum contingent value because we just
assume he literally is Kyra and he's not literally Kyra?
Yeah, no. I there's a really good.
I'm on team Kyron's undervalued. There, there's a really good
roster clogger here, but I think.
We will. Is it the guy I just I'm talking
about in the chat? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's I think that's the. Yeah, this is this is a big, you
know, we're, we're sadly in week six having to cut this guy to
pick up Jeremy Rucker. But it'll be fun to have him for
the five weeks before that. He's a great guy.
We're going to enjoy hanging out with him.
I've just had, I've had, I mean a lot of lot of guys.
I love the dive just being resigned to cutting any player
we take from here on out. It's like they fucking suck.
We'll cut them in a week. Do you guys you guys all like
Benson here can. I float one quick name or in the
chat. In the chat, through the chat.
I'll do the chat. The only thing about I'll
mention about this is Benson's ADP is 115 and we're at 127
right now. I'm very into the Benson pick, I
just wanted to float this name if it.
If he's, if he's there, if he's there coming around, sure we.
Can do it on the way back, that's fine.
I actually like that player you just mentioned.
I actually like his backup too. As like a round.
His backup makes me a little nervous.
Yeah. Yeah, I think I agree that you
guys are going to be shocked about that.
Ben, to your Kendra Miller point, I would just note, I
don't think he's a bad pick in managed.
I just think he's AI don't want that zero risk in my life.
You know, if I'm like, am I getting the UPS back?
Kendra Miller? Miller Yeah, no, I think that's,
I think that's that's a totally good point is that he's the zero
risk is so high. But guys like that with wider
range of outcomes, I like so much more manage because yeah,
bench zeros don't matter to you. And you'll know.
You'll know if he got cut, you'll know where he signed.
If he did get cut, like Kendry Miller is.
AI would not at all say he's a bad pick in man.
He's kind of the he's kind of a good pick.
He's a type of. I was going to say he's probably
a guy. He's probably a guy I like.
Need to move up my redraft tiers, actually, just thinking
about all the ways it can play out, yeah.
Mostly because you can cut. He is the guy that I like
because I'm going to be able to cut him.
Yeah, you get to, you get to, you get to round 10 and I'm just
like, I cannot fucking wait to send this guy out the door to
pick up $1.00 Khalif Raymond, you know?
Here, let's let's service the audio listeners for a second.
We made a lot of picks and debates here since we recapped.
We started them on Raw, then went Marvin Harrison, Nico
Collins, Terik Henry, then Brock Bowers, Fat Keenan, CJ Stroud,
and then we went Chase Brown, Dontavian Wicks, Rico Dowdell
and Trey Benson and a little oh on Trey Benson.
Nice slide there. I think knowing that I was like
talking about Dowdell, Benson and Corum.
They're getting Benson coming back.
Feels really good. Benson, I mean, that's a, that's
a pretty nice value there. Like like literally three months
ago, people were like rushing over themselves to get to
Twitter and declare that Trey Benson was their running back,
one in the class. Like like actively like fighting
to be like. And then he goes to what might
be the 7th best offense in the NFL and the starters 29 years
old and and people are like no, fuck no.
Biggest faller in fantasy. Can you?
I love this game. I've had.
Say what Gretchen on the board can.
You Scroll down a little. Oh yeah, yeah, my bad.
Yes, thanks. Speaking of shooting.
It that's for. That's for Davis.
Wait, we're on the clock. Who went?
So all the running backs were ripping off the board here.
We kind of have like a a debate here and it's like, I don't want
to say the other name if we go. Yeah, with the.
With the. I kind of want to take the one
that you. Want to take the wide receiver
That's. Sad.
Oh, I was, I was saying, a wide receiver.
I know who you mean. Oh, I see him in the queue.
I think Gretsch is making a good point about just the tight end
upside here. In the back I got.
I got. I got no issue with that.
I'm fine with it all. Right, let's do Musgrave.
Yeah, I mean, we already made the Wix bet.
It's kind of like a bet against the top Packers.
Yeah, but also on the Packers pass game, a little like.
Yeah, I think it's a good. Call or.
Structurally, it makes a lot of sense.
Yeah, I think structurally it was a pretty big need.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, we're going to see
this is where the running back. See, this is a nice spot and a
unique spot for us to be in. Like in our slow man, we're
drafting with a couple of ship chasers right now.
There's been just some insane running back runs, but right now
we're not. We're not exposed to a running
back run here. No, that's.
Great. Yeah, maybe.
That's been with the great point.
We just got a free look on Musgrave and we have Bowers like
if Musgrave has a really nice game Friday night.
Yep. We get a look at map.
We don't have to start Bowers Week 1.
Kind is is is is free look the the the manage league streamers
equivalent to we can be done at running back here.
Yeah, it is. It's free look with the extra
game. Take a peek.
It's Take. A peek Take a.
Peek and Luke Musgrave are catching 4 TDs combined, two
each, and we're going to drop them both in.
The well, Wix is going to score 2 touchdowns on 14 routes and
three targets, so it's pretty good to do all year.
You know what though? I, I, I should have been, I
should have been woke to this. This is on me.
I I actually probably would have preferred Braylon Allen there.
Dave, you're tripping over yourself to like, put your
favorites ahead of each other. Like you got to choose one of
your favorites. But Davis isn't Braylon Allen
more of a best ball pick? Huh.
Yes, I I really have not thought about it.
Yeah, yeah. No, he he probably is, because
the kind of role that I'm imagining him for is going to be
so untamable. 2000 yard rushing season.
No, but I, I. Do.
I I The role of Davis is imagining.
He's just outing for two 300 yards.
It's like, well, like honestly, it's kind of good for both
formats. I I I A 2200 yard season would
be good in. It's good for both.
The, the thing about Braylon is, I, no one agrees with me on
this, but they will, I think when the season starts, is that
I, I, I actually do believe that the Dalvin Cook thing is kind of
a Canary in the coal mine that they don't really want to give
Breece Hall like 27 touches per game.
He was coming off an ACL tear last year.
No, I know. I'm not saying I'm saying I'm
saying Braylon Allen. I'm.
With you on this, Davis, I've been saying this.
I think they drafted a shit ton of day three running backs in
the last two years they've drafted.
Three Well, well, they also truly hate Izzy banning.
They yeah, that's the problem is that they were like, we need
another one. OK work.
But they did two more. They did a banking on Ann Cook
and two more this year. It's kind of.
Wow. Their team views running as a
core part of their identity and they.
That's so that have a. Backup running back.
That's the that's the The thing is that Rodgers teams have
always ran a ton. Hack the teams everywhere he's
ever been have run a ton. Sala is like a grit and grind
defensive coach Braylon Allen will be.
Good, but you're right now going to.
Have 27. Yes, Braylon Allen is going to
get like 6.7 rushes per game and it's really not going to be
surprising if some of them come at the three yard line.
This is This is what I wrote in my preseason Week 1 thing.
Davis is like this exact point that the I was like the people
that care way too much about like the exact usage stuff are
going to, at some point this season, tell you that Braylon
Allen's cutting into Breeze Hall's usage too much.
Like that's, it's not going to be true.
It's not going to, actually. Yeah, it doesn't.
It doesn't really impact Breece in any meaningful way.
It just means that that Braylon Allen is going to be kind of a
good best ball pick, really. He's really all.
Well, he's a great best ball pick because he'll score some
touchdowns. He's huge, so he's going to,
he's going to score some touchdowns.
They're using a little in the passing game, which was
surprising and about as locked in as an RB2.
As there is, yeah, I can't. I.
Can't even get evidence that Isaiah Davis exists until he
played in the preseason the other night like the beats have.
Like not mentioned, I kind of liked Isaiah Davis as a
prospect. Honestly okay, but Brandon put a
lot and played well in the in the preseason.
You look good. Yeah.
How about this for another bowl case for Braylon?
One of the best offensive lines in football.
One of the best defenses in football.
Salting away games. Salt the AJ Dillon It's the It's
the AJ Dillon rookie year thesis that played out for one glorious
game. How much money over the years
did that one game against the Tennessee Titans in the snow
cost us collectively? Dude, I remember that.
I, I, I bought into that for years.
I was like, he's going to do that the next year, all
thousand, right? Like.
Body blows bought AJ Dillon Body blows he's.
He's the same weight and like nearly the same height and runs
nearly the same 40 as Derrick Henry.
I mean, I obviously he's just going to be as good as Derrick
Henry. That's yeah, that's.
The math we probably should have taken over Henry in this draft.
Ben, I, I think great call on Musgrave.
Right after we pick, we see Kemet Conklin and likely all fly
off the board there. The Jets are so different.
Tier Ryan Franklin elite comment here.
The Jets are such a big ass 10 team too.
It's. Right.
The Jets are the Wisconsin of the they.
Are they're NFL Wisconsin? OK, the wide receiver I wanted
to take to to bury the pencil pushers does go 80, Mitchell.
Look at that double tap the the downs 80 with Richardson from
the one hole. This is like, that's, that's
kind of sick team. Right, that's kind of sick.
Honestly, I like it. Ricky, most of the me also felt
a lot for. I was like, yeah, One he was
sliding past like Brian Robinson, like that guy's this.
Team. Robinson's been totally fine.
I don't know why everyone hates him.
He was shot in the legs the rookie, and still played well
enough to display Santo. Your mother was you that I
argued with. Him about the other night, but
it was. Jacob and he was making your
arguments for. You I don't understand.
Like everyone's like, this guy sucks.
I'm like this guy is kind. Of like an inspiration.
Because Brian Robinson is the classic and you don't.
You don't. Honestly, Mike, this guy was
shot in the leg and then was like, and they like looked at
Antonio Gibson was like, I'm taking that dude's job, like and
then he did. Well, to be fair, to be fair,
lesser men. Yeah, lesser men than Brian
Robinson. I remember, I remember
registering for two extra main events the day Brian Robinson
got shot because I was like, the people aren't going to adjust
enough. This.
I need more Gibson. Davis, you give yourself some
credit because when we were doing prospect stuff that year,
I was like. I loved.
Anyone care about this Brian?
Robinson NFL NFL coach is going to look at Brian Robinson and
say that's the guy who needs the ball 270 times on my football
team. You were exactly right.
I was like, Nah, they wouldn't
do that. That's really the ball knowers
like the ball knowers are whatever, but knowing what
coaches want to do is like a real edge.
It is that I definitely agree with there.
So we see some quarterbacks going Brock to Noah fan or went
then Trevor Lawrence and then Hunter Henry.
So two of the teams that took tight end in the 12th double
tapped it again. Which again, awesome call by
Gretsch because tight end is just.
Absolutely. He got wiped.
I I floated fan. He's a guy that yeah, yeah,
well, fans always there like we don't need to take tight end and
then he goes. So Musgrave was an absolute
smash. That's what I was saying when I
said welcome. And it's like you never know
when they're going to go and if they go, you're.
Kind of in in the worst case scenario is that you take
another. Ah fuck.
Twice. Twice.
The rookie wide receiver is just getting stonewalled from us.
That hurts. All right, you guys are ready to
make a real grown up pick here that everyone's gonna hate.
You ready to make a real Eliminator ass pick?
What are you gonna float? I'm very scared.
What? You're about to float?
Yeah. It's Gabe Davis.
Oh God does not make. I honestly thought I thought
that was going to be worse than I.
Thought it was going to be worse too.
He's more of a. Best ball, yeah, I'd rather take
like Pearsall or fucking Savior. Well, you want to talk you?
Want to talk about? You want to talk about a guy
that we could cut? Do you want it one?
Do you want to take like a Demario Douglas?
Like that's a guy you're going to know.
Yeah, we could do like we could also do Marshawn Lloyd has.
Slipped. Yeah.
I would really take Ricky Pearsall then.
Then Demarov. What about Lloyd?
We have the bet on the Packers minor injury.
I'm taking Piersol. Go to Lloyd.
OK, that's that is. You guys, you guys had no
consensus there. We had we had the definition of
consensus. Not Piersol.
I'm. Not taking.
I'm not taking Marshawn fucking Lloyd.
OK. So you had a consensus?
Three people say, Marshawn Lloyd, no consensus because
we're not taking that guy. And you didn't give me another
name. Don't don't worry, we're.
OK, everyone says Lloyd. OK, I'm taking Piersolt.
You guys couldn't figure it out because we weren't taking Lloyd.
I don't even, honestly, I don't even like Richie Piersolt.
What I know you're taking Gabe Davis.
What he's doing. Who wanted Piersolt?
Pat brought him up. That's that did happen.
I should have expected. But then I voted for Lloyd, God
damn it. There's actually a rookie
running back I like more anyways in in the queue.
Then she's taken him. Pause the draft.
I've actually done this once. One time in a main event.
I actually did call the number and make them roll a pick back.
You know what it was for? We we took Eric Ebron and we
meant to take Kaylin Bellage and I made them roll it back.
We did it on ship chasing once because we accidentally took
DeAndre Hopkins and we made him roll back and then when it went
around the turn Pat just auto picked Hopkins.
He was like no, we're just we're taking Hopkins.
He was too embarrassed about the rollback.
I forgot. That no, because it was the
crack rock wanted Hopkins and we didn't want Hopkins and we took
Hopkins by accident. So then when it came around, I
was like, we had a rule that we always had the rule.
Like when we talk about a guy and then he comes back and we
take yeah. So I was like, wait, did we take
him? Especially when you when you
have to roll. It back for that's right,
cracked rock on a Hopkins. We took him, but everyone else
wanted something else and he was like no, no, no, take the other
guy, take the other guy. And so we rolled it back and
then we also took his. Yeah, it just sucked.
Like the pure saw thing is just like we're going to cut because
part of the the cool thing about the pure saw click when we were
doing our slow mains is like, what if IU gets traded and now
all of a sudden there's a path to seeing him on the field right
away and now it's just like, what is that path?
It's still the same path dude. No, I just said it's a different
path because Iuke isn't going to get traded.
I think he was a great chance to be traded.
He's still he still hasn't signed a contract.
What do you guys want to? Do I the odds of so whatever.
The odds are lower for sure. I got, I think I got McMillan as
the highest guy coming up the board here.
I'm good with McMillan. Let's take McMillan.
The University of Washington another another great guy.
Jalen McMillan is my official guest.
University of Washington. Or what out for your Jalen
McMillan bags, baby. I have.
I have. 70% of Jalen McMillan in the big board dude.
Sorry about that. We want to roll that's a larger,
longer clip at some point or not.
Well, I, I guess I'll say at some point for sure, but not yet
because. We sought to reveal.
It's not, it's not completely done.
Right, there's there's a part in that the, the, the God forgive
me. And that's really the only
reason I want to roll it. I just want that God forgive me
in there. We could, we could play that at
the end if you want. Yeah, let's play that.
The God forgive the God forgive me.
I was hoping that was included. In the, in the tease, in the.
Preview. Yeah, yeah.
God forgive me. It's.
So good. Joel Mcnowski.
Scratch, I forgot how. Fucking tiny that helmet is.
Thinking of invoicing ship chasing for my $1196.00 SO.
Not only so, not only do I know ball, but I know chasers.
I know. You know who?
Chase you you guessed 4 different names.
But it was his final guess. You got to give him credit.
It was my final guess I. Lost it.
The thing you nailed was you said I was going to come around
and I did have some later quotes where I was saying I think he's
going to be a better pro than Polk.
And we've talked through that a bunch of different ways, but it
it's it's true because I was like too close to it.
I was super into the season. And then like, like some of
those early clips when I was talking about McMillan, we've
talked about it with the chat a little bit.
Like you came off really bad. And I remember like one time I
was kind of confused. I was like, I didn't mean to
come off that bad. But it was like right after,
like in the national championship game, there was a
third down. He caught a short pass, he's
short of the sticks and he got armed tackled.
And I mean, he breaks a tackle. It's like a 40 yard gain.
There was another one later in the game.
And it's just these little things that that's why I was
like guys unreliable. Like he goes down on first
contact. Like, I mean, that's just, you
know, still kind of coming off the the end of that, that last
season. It was a it was a rough season
as a fan. It was a great season as a fan
ended roughly, but not Mcmillan's sick.
Yeah. I think it's our first share
right of McMillan. In in Maine, yeah, yeah, Yep,
yeah. Because we haven't again,
normally we're just like having to hammer running back here.
So it's night. And this is, This is why I do
like taking like having a few teams where we get the earlier
running back because I want to take stabs on Wix, on McMillan.
It's, it's such a fun, it's such a more fun texture of the board
this year where you can kind of just take whoever you want after
round 10 because you kind of have your positional bases
covered. I think that's what you just
tell yourself because you take Dantavian Wicks and Chase Brown
40 picks ahead of ADP. If I'm look, if I'm right this
year, I'm going to be really right.
And I I I. I also, I also, instead of going
all in on like a guy who goes in round three, I'm all in on a guy
who goes in round nine. So they're still outs.
Like I can still advance teams if Dantavian Wicks turns an
ankle or whatever. I mean Worthy would probably be
the best hit for me, but that's just fate accompli.
Like that's just happening. I'm not I.
Don't even think. About that, honestly.
The worthy. Yeah, worthy.
Like somebody in chat said they would have so much more
Macmillan in the big board if it wasn't for my FUD.
I had a shit ton of McMillan in the big board.
Like. He was a round, he was a round
twenty pick. Grow up.
Literally one of my highest. Kids Jesus, the chat was.
Yelling at me because I didn't have a backwards hat on and I
needed another. All right, let's guys, let's
let's whip it out right now. Let's compare big board
exposures to to jail and McMillan.
I'm actually doing that right now.
Look at this. He's a big board, big order,
best bow mania. This is big board, big board.
I've got, I've got 61% or 68% Chase Brown, 68% Jaylen McMillan
in the big board. I didn't do that many drafts on
my. It was 19 drafts, but.
I'd have 14% McMillan. 14% McMillan in the big Board.
I only did 32 drafts so I'd have to blur out my entry fees if I
were to show you guys. Let's do embarrassing.
Someone want to guess my Jaylen Warren exposure in the big
board? 57%. 47, yeah.
Pat. Pat.
Literally. Invented the sidekick to try to
bring down his exposure. That's why it exists.
Damn, I only have 16% Yale more than the big board.
I don't know, I might not know Ball.
I don't think you do. Dylan Lalby.
We'll see all that one plays out.
Subscribe to the Tate cast. He.
He got his quarterback absolutely killed on his very
like, seriously. Wow.
He he blew like AII do not know ball and I was watching and I
was like that is one of the worst blown pass blocks I've
ever seen. It was Tyson Williams week one
against the Raiders ass. Did we get a shot of Antonio
Pierce on the sideline after it? Just like learn bench buddy.
No, he kept the he kept the man and didn't say anything.
Like it's like it wasn't like, oh, he's immediately bench
forever. He was like he, only he only got
Aiden O'Connell blowing up. Look at.
You guys did it, Do I? Win on Jalen McMillan.
What? Sorry, Gretsch, what did you say
you're? No, you don't win.
I win. Dude, what did you have?
68. Percent.
OK you're right. Sorry I missed that.
I was more in the Gretsch level. Jeez, you had 68% Jalen McMillan
I. Thought you said 14.
No 994 dollars, 65% of jail McMillan.
Davis Davis has one team from every draft slot, he just drafts
a different 1st jump pick. The only reason I didn't have
100% of him was people in the ship chasing discord started
taking him ahead when they saw me in their drafts.
But this is where you this is how you reveal Davis is the
bandwagon guy. How much Xavier Worthy were you
in the big board? 24 percent.
Let's propose. So about about the same as I
have in I guess 5% lower than I have.
In no you what you were adamant about was that the Chiefs
weren't gonna draft Xavier Worthy.
You weren't out on Xavier Worthy.
You were at you were out on the Chiefs draft.
Again, I did think they were gonna take Mitchell honestly.
I did. I really did.
All right, Why? I wanted it.
The last pick is still there. Yeah, but just the running back
that we floated. No, let's take the running back
that you want. That's no that's what I meant.
OK, yeah. Oh good.
Estimates. Let's do that.
Yeah, let's take estimates. Estimates.
A good pick. Yeah, I would love to see the
Jaccard score for my big boards because it's even worse.
It's even worse. Than my teams this year you guys
should as a bit release big board Jaccard's and it's just
everyone has a big black dot or something a little.
We're still, we're still working.
We got DraftKings out in, in alpha.
Go check out the Lego Discord if you want to do that.
But it's not released yet in full.
So we can't, we can't devote the server time to Davis's Jaccard.
It'll, it'll just, we'll never get DraftKings out.
I feel like the the estimate hype was really lit for like a
week and then the the I mean he scored a rushing touchdown with
Bo Nicks handing the ball off to him and and somehow that was
viewed as worse because Nicks came in second.
Which that is not the way I'm reading the Broncos pre season.
Other opinions are available but that is not the way I'm reading
Pre season the week. One, I think I've heard nineteen
different opinions on how. What the Broncos exactly?
What pre season should be exactly?
It's not. It's not making me bear or it's
not making me bearish on the players I like.
The only Bronco who I've declared dead is Troy Franklin.
Troy Franklin is not happening. If Benjamin Albright has his
way, it will be. I mean, what did Troy Franklin
do to Ben Albright I. Don't know man.
Jeez, a lot of different ways you could take that with with.
Ben, you know who does like near Franklin?
OK, I just found my answer talked my.
Way right into. That answer.
Oh, I didn't. I didn't know that estimate
fumble. But honestly, I don't care.
He's in Notre Dame, boy. He'll he'll fix it.
So we have. What are?
You guys taking? Here we have three more non
kicker defense picks. Ah.
Great. Darn.
I mean, at this point, I honestly would be open to taking
Gabe Davis. Gabe, I was going to say that
too. Yeah, or we could take Justin
Tucker and Ave. Maria.
The the other wide receiver that I kind of, I know we have a lot
of Arizona guys, but I would take a peek at Michael Wilson.
Oh, Greg Dorch really did go. I thought that was a bit.
Gabe Davis is sort of like what we hope Michael Wilson could be.
Almost. Yeah, I, I, I think, I think the
number 2 wide receiver on the Jacksonville.
Jaguar I I was sold on on Gabe Davis before.
I'm just was trying to if we didn't have a consensus find.
AI mean we have to cut Ricky Pearsall and.
Also, yeah, we got to cut Ricky Pearsall.
Anyway, and also Rico Dowdell, right, we took him.
We're like, we're going to cut. Him Dante with Wicks is is a
wide receiver 4 on his own. Team, can we all just pretend
that we took Gabe Davis in the 13th and Ricky Pearsall in the
16th? Because I feel.
Look, let's let's be honest, Gabe Davis is starting on this
team in Week 3. Honestly, I think he is.
That's why I think we can't need him, yeah.
Yeah, and you can't forget the Derrick Henry, Gabe Davis
correlation at some. Point.
I think they play. Do that?
I don't know. I.
Don't they do, man? Probably.
Not none of my Co managers are are answering.
That's going to be our lineup, is the point.
DMS. Correlated by us.
Davis, did you guys, did you guys do your recorded like the
we're? Doing we're doing it on the the
29th, I believe we we did get, we did get signed up.
It'll be on. It'll be on YouTube this year.
Oh nice, who's YouTube? Not be established to run.
YouTube. I was trying to.
Give you a chance to plug your YouTube brother?
Oh, my YouTube channel, the the Davis Matic YouTube channel
Pete, I'm about to I'm about to steal your Pete, I'm about to
give away. I'm about to steal your your
giveaway bit from last year, the comment thing, but giving away
potentially way more money. It's probably.
Potentially is doing a lot of heavy lifting.
It's. Winning.
I would. Say, I would say it's doing
perhaps a world record amount like it, like a like the world
record back squat amount of lifting, but it is still
potentially a lot of money. What you are doing is you are
essentially you're paying your audience to root for the same
team you've drafted over and over all summer.
Isn't literally how smart is that though?
How smart is that to be? Like you guys are so fucking
invested in Dantavianwick's like you've never thought you would.
Be honestly, Davis, given how similar your teams are, it makes
it smarter because everyone will like like the the problem is
right, They can't check their exposure to see like, oh, how am
I doing? But they'll know.
They'll know how well you're doing.
No, and it'll work out well because Davis will have to divvy
up the 1st place, but then he'll have the same roster that also
finishes in second place and he'll be able to do.
That all to. Us so.
It's not scooping your own EV if you have to give away the money.
I mean, honestly, I will say this though, doing all these
drafts on stream has really diversified my exposures.
Like like like has really taken a huge chunk.
I'm telling you, brother, it's it's, it's, it's been, it's a
feature, not a bug. I would say bug because I'm
pretty sure I'm right. I'm pretty sure I'm right.
So like this team I drafted with Jacob today, one of the biggest
dog shit basketball. It's got to be like a bottom 5%
team in basketball mania. I mean it's awful and it's just
like I got done with it. I'm like our.
Team wasn't very good either. Davis.
Dude, the team with Jacob, we took Bryce Young and Jatavian
Sanders like it's it's. Got to be one of the worst.
Teams in My Portfolio. You know what's fun about that
team? Is they're projected to CJ
Stroud this year? Yeah.
Right, that's the team that's projected to score more points
than the Patriots, interestingly enough.
That's a team that like. Not after.
Not after tonight, then. Yeah, buddy.
The look ahead. Look.
Ahead lines just. Jump the look ahead lines just
jump buddy they. Might have They might.
Have better better learn Drake may read option buddy.
I like this comment from Nikki A Davis stream is like a Black
Mirror episode where it's on repeat but just a little
different each. Time.
That's what I strive. That's what I strive for
honestly cuz I feel I don't know how you guys consume content,
but I mostly listen to ship chasing and stealing bananas.
That's like I and like if stealing bananas was 7 hours
long and I was only kind of paying attention, you know?
But like I just would listen to a 7 hour episode of stealing
bananas and I would listen to a 7 hour episode of ship chasing.
Like I would just have that on. All the time we could we.
Could get there. Yeah, like I, I, I'm, I'm there
for that. So honestly a compliment that I
basically just do the same 4 hours of content.
But like JJGFC came in today twice into into my stream, once
in a drop with Jacob and then once with Karain and he said
both times he came in and we were just on a long diatribe
about the Chiefs just got to. Play.
This I did the second one. It wasn't even.
That's The thing is, the second one wasn't even, wasn't even my
fault. Karain wanted to talk about
Kelsey there. You go.
Davis, are you in the lab on our kicker and defense selection?
Here I literally I literally just took a kicker.
My Co managers are not answering in another main and we had four
hours left on the clock and I just took a kicker so yes.
Let's chase some fucking kickers.
Fucking kickers. Should we try to get a tight end
three mixed in here? Yeah, I like that idea.
You got one you like. I see I.
I have one. I have one I like.
That's not the one that you guys are going to think.
Well, I just put Colby Parkinson on the.
Yeah, I like. Yeah, but we literally clicked
it. We literally, we literally
clicked it at the same time. Whoever put the guy in the queue
is who I wanted in the queue. Yeah, I like that one.
Yeah, he's a good one. Yeah, I like this less.
I'm trying to draft less marginal players on like the
worst teams in the NFL. Now tell me about that.
So like I think Jalen Polk, not a marginal player like Jalen
Polk, a guy who conceptually could see a 27% target.
Share half My Portfolio is the Patriots, so I kind of.
Are you taking the good players? Yeah, I am taking.
I am taking the. It's it's Jalen, not Jalen.
Yeah. OK.
But it's they're. Jalen, I think it's Jayvon, not
Javon. I didn't know that.
I heard a Patriots beat say Jayvon.
Interesting. Yeah, kind of changes things a
little. Bit it does a little bit.
That's a little. I actually.
Java. I vote for a different guy.
There's another guy I put in the queue.
But you're not allowed to just pick someone because you were
vetoing us. You already used your veto.
That's fine, that's fine. I just I put another guy in the
queue. For your integration.
I'm game with your Theo Johnson. You like Theo Johnson, right,
Pat? Yeah, I think, Theo.
Johnson that was a. Really nice pick.
And I don't, I don't think he's coming back, right.
There's two teams behind us are, yeah.
Frank only has one tight end. He's the right play here.
He's a, he's an early, early information guy.
He might run a lot of routes week one, he might not.
And then we're like, OK, well, we have a tight end that doesn't
even run routes. I think, I think probably not.
But you know what? Just another fucking got a cut.
Let's go. I promise you, Theo Johnson is
far more likely to be on our roster in a few weeks than the
guy you wanted us to take. They're both really good week
two cuts they're. That's so funny.
I think. That's our team.
Though the thing The thing is, is that it's.
So this is what it is. It's so freeing to be
transitioning from drafting it is hundreds and hundreds of
basketball teams to realizing if this it's not life or death on
this pitch, right? We actually can't just get out
of this if it's a mistake. We can get out of most of these
pitch. It feels like taking a breath of
fresh air for. The first time ever.
It really does. And I mean, spring, even within
this draft to be like, well, I mean, who fucking cares?
Like, I mean, redraft's pretty great.
Look at this Gretch. Gretch has triggered these
little tight end runs here twice, and Michael Mayer and
Chig come right off the board. I mean, famously, famously go
Bill's two years ago, like three of their starters in the Sprint
were, were waiver wire pickups. Yeah, and not even like.
Their team out on Week 2, They're just.
Swapped. Them not even not even like
mind. Change.
Not even like good ones either. Like not like not even like like
league winner guys, but it was like Joe Burrow for $57 type
stuff. And the lesson there is don't
even worry about the draft. Just don't even worry dude, just
show up. I was click the click the auto
draft button. Who cares man, it's good to.
Drive you anyway. Maybe put another guy in the
queue for you, hey? I'm going to.
That guy, that guy, yeah, sadly, Greg, I, I think that guy's not
making the roster. I, I think I think do.
You. Really the the preseason game
was like, obviously I was watching all his snaps.
It, it was really bad. It's really bad.
I mean, I hope I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong, but.
On that clip earlier today, you're like, that's my guy.
Well, that is AW. Fuck, Davis is willing to change
his mind now, so he's a. Well, well, he's.
He still is my guy and I'm still rooting for him.
I mean, I, I was like, don't get me wrong, I I would take him.
So I I put Mims in just like, can we just take a look?
Can we just go see it? And I'm talking to Sean Payton,
not you guys. I'm just like, let me just see
what this fucker does I. Think it's a good pick?
Yeah, you down with for that, Davis?
Oh, I'll never say no to to University of Oklahoma Sooner.
I actually really like that. So we got Wix like I actually
don't take that much Wix in basketball because.
He. He's he's very expensive for the
role and like if he doesn't, if he's not awesome, then like what
do I have? You know what I mean?
And in baseball, you know, I need to fill out these.
I can't, you know, sub the guys out and all that shit, right.
But here, like it's a big crack. It makes a ton of sense.
I love that we got them, but I also really like that when we
kept taking, we kept taking swings after a receiver.
We'll find a wide receiver 5 here that we're pretty excited
about. Yeah, it's kind of like the, you
know, we've cranked purple in that first kind of main late,
even though we still had Kelsey, we were taking a ton of stabs
late in this one. We we're just not normally in
position where we're taking five wide receivers after round nine
or whatever. Like that's very rare.
The Derrick, the Derrick Henry pick just totally freed us up,
dude. It did.
It unshackled us. Do we have a nice texture?
Or was it just the Denzel Mims clip?
I had. No, I have a Marvin Mims clip.
My bad, you're right. This is why.
This is why I'm hot.
I'm hot. Because I'm flat, you ain't.
Because you. This is where we at.
This is where we at.
This is why.
That one play, he really should have made that guy miss.
He just goes down on the content.
That catch where he went around the back of the defender was
pretty sick. Though, that was great.
Yeah, that looked like an IT at all also.
Can't even remember. The remix, I think it was users,
I think it was a subscriber submitted.
I know, and that's what I'm trying to remember.
Who made that one? Like the remix is then
presumably not Mims. It's a different like Jamaican.
In a good point, That's a good point, the.
Whole point is that it's Mims. Curious, curious.
Could've picked a different Mims song.
I I had completely I I had completely memory hold the
Denzel Mims clip that. Yeah, Well, I mean, there's a
reason for that, David. That was a.
Randomized, wasn't it, Pete? I honestly can't remember.
Yeah, it's. All no, but This is why I'm hot.
I feel like Was it? That that.
I thought that was one for dancing.
That we did that, I think it was an offseason ship chasing and
you. Maybe we did a call back to it
Gretsch on randomizer where you then had to sing it.
Maybe that's fine. That's what it would have came
from for the randomizer. You might be right.
It might be randomizer though, I don't know.
No, because it would have had to come from somewhere.
I think someone was like saying This is why I'm hot was on
randomizer one time but we'd already done it on ship chasing.
So we got, as we have enter into our kicker and defense, we got
Stroud at quarterback we got. Kickers.
Oh, you're right. Should we just keep rolling
clips? You're chasing kickers?
Yeah, well, I can recap later. Kicker chasing.
It's the show where we chase the best kickers, the kickers that
help you win championships, the biggest legs, the breaking news.
It's everything you come to love and know.
The time is now for kicker chasing.
Let's get some fucking kickers. Oh yeah.
Davis, are you actually? Chasing kickers for.
Us, I think we take Prater but no I was just making slow weekly
winners picks. Stay dialed, Ed Davis, this is
right when we need you for the kickers.
So I think Matt Gay, it's interesting.
You could. You could always take a little
peek with Jake Elliott. Take Elliot Matt because I want
to. I want to do Gretch's thing
where we take a guy who's a week 14 by so we don't have to think
about kick Gurka. Matt Matt Prater Matt Prater has
a week 11 bit and famously on this program I learned that I
learned I learned that the Saturday Night Live the.
Oh yeah. I learned that this.
Was quote again. It was only a thing between me
and my high school friends and no one else anywhere remembered
it. It was the IT was the Matt
Prater made all the game-winning kicks during Tebow's.
We pulled this up the last time you were on.
Should we just do that again to make sure this the episode is
kind of like that one? Correct.
Yeah, I think that was maybe the COVID year or, or 2021.
Yeah, I, I pray to you, Matt Prater.
Classic. Matt, I just wanted to, I'm not
even saying you're necessarily wrong, but I'm just looking at
ADP and Prater has the third lowest ADP of any kicker getting
drafted on FFPC. So is this is actually.
That means we can push it around we.
Can push. It around.
Why don't we take like the Niners kicker or somebody who's
on a good team? Who plays?
I don't, I don't, I don't pray to the Niners.
Who plays the Vikings Week 1? That's a great call.
We looked up this last time it. The the Giants.
That's not great, but there's a pick six happening in that game
one way or the other. Wait.
Jake Elliott is at the top of the queue and does it take a
peek? Is there?
Yeah, we might as well do that. Well, the the reason is that the
49ers or the Eagles don't kick field goals.
Well, they will. Brazil, buddy.
Sure, whatever. Get let.
Get ready to learn altitude. Can I tell you how this is going
to work before week one? We're going to pick up a second
kicker and then we're going to take a peek with Jake Elliott.
It just we're going to cut Ricky Pearsall to draft that other
kicker. OK, I'm in.
I'm in. Between the two.
Dude, you sold with cutting Ricky Pierce off.
But what if I could strain a teeth?
Some people save their luxury pick until the 19th round.
We used ours at the 13th. No, but like you, you guys, you
guys do realize that IUK is like still super live to get traded.
Yeah, I don't think super. I I think the odds have have
decreased in a pretty meaningful way.
I agree, I agree with that, but he's.
Live for sure. Yeah.
I'm just saying anything like ballpark, it was like 50 or 60%
chance to happen and it now feels like it's down to 10 or
15%. I'd say 20.
I think that's right, yeah. I might even put it lower than
10. I might say 5 to 10, yeah.
Interesting. But it's The thing is, is that
the whole time it's made no sense for them to trade him like
they're in a clear Super Bowl window.
He's under contract but like we are 19 days away from the
season. No, I mean if Iuke wanted the
trace, he. Would go this man is not
practiced. They're not matching the offer.
It's. Really.
Clear what's happened? They're not matching the offer.
If he wanted the most money he could get, he'd be gone.
They wouldn't. Be in New England, yeah.
Yeah, honestly, not matching. He might go to New England.
See, what's going to happen is not because San Fran had all the
leverage, it's because Iuke doesn't want to leave.
Which is good, you know, San Fran called his bluff.
But I mean this. Is actually a good question.
Pat, where did you go to college?
University of Delaware. Flacco, Baby.
Joe Flacco and everybody goes, yeah, Flacco.
And Rich Gannon. So I was a Raiders fan in the
early 2000. Wow.
Gannon and Jerry Rice and Tim Brown and Charlie Garner and
then those guys all retired at once, so.
Gretch, did you, did you go to school with any NFL players?
Our NFL team was pretty shitty that Jake Locker the the
basketball team was sick. Brandon Roy was sick.
I remember like being in the hub with Brandon Roy.
Isaiah Thomas came to a party at our house one time.
I think it wasn't even a frat. We were just off campus House.
Isaiah Thomas. Did the Bengals go already?
We're on the clock. No, no, I, I always.
Take the Bengals home versus that shitty New England team.
So. I take the Bengals like
everyone. Sounds great, sounds great.
We got to get Jacoby benched as soon as possible.
I knew you were going to spin some that.
That's not even spin some. No, that's unironically why I'm
saying to do it. No, no, no.
You're, you guys are saying it for two different reasons.
Davis. You're, you're getting excited
about all those sacks. Pat is thinking about expediting
Drake May's. Position to the starting.
Well, the same I, I, I mean, I'm maybe not as big of a bowl as
Pat I, I don't know if I could claim to be that, but pretty big
bowl. Welcome aboard, man.
It's we're we're very welcoming here on on Drake May band Megan.
The Giants is the other good. I think late round we did that
on another team, their home versus Mini.
Against Arnold, Yeah. Yeah, that's a good one.
Kicker Daigle Kicker 7 in points per game for Jake.
No field goal Elliott last year. Dude, I thought this was your
account for a second. Did you guys, did you guys go to
the same person to design your avatars?
Zach Landers did mine. I I don't know.
I don't know who did is. Some would do a side by side.
Fact. Yeah.
Joe King, thank you. Please do not come to the show
to Fact Check me. That's not what I'm here for.
No. I'm here.
I'm here to draft my weekly winners.
Slow picks while clips play. Davis did you have anyone at K
State when you were? There, Tyler Lockett was was
there. We were there at the same time
for a year. Yeah, Collin Klein, I mean, he
was at UDFA for the Texans. He coached for a while.
And I went to, I went to junior college with Coral Patterson and
Marcus Golden. Well, we know about.
Cordero Patterson, buddy. There you go.
So a guy who's going to outscore Justin Herbert this year has not
been drafted yet if people are wondering how quarterback prices
work on FFPC. I do undrafted.
I do. I do think if I was going to
take a pick back, please say Ricky.
Pearsall. No, it would be Stroud.
It would be. It would be Stroud.
Stroud. I'm, I'm excited about this,
Stroud. Yeah.
That's like definitely not in our five worst picks.
It's not in our top five worst picks.
You're, you're not, you're not counting the freedom equity of
just not caring if you cut a guy.
We'll have to ask Frank. I mean it, it was a virtual
lock. He was going to take Stroud.
In one of those. Of course.
But let's, OK, let's run. Let's run the two V2 Stroud, I
guess. Here let me scroll.
Here I. Can I'll scroll?
So the two V. Two would be Jackson Smith and
Jigba and well, we don't know what we would have done at we
probably Caleb Williams Goth, probably with St.
Brown or Caleb. Yeah, sure.
Or Caleb. I think we would have done Caleb
right. So so JSJSN.
Yeah, we would have taken. Caleb, JSN, Caleb or CJ Stroud
Benson. I mean, I I definitely prefer
JSN. Oh, not by that much.
Not by that much actually. So.
Pete said he was positive he would prefer the wide receiver
running back 2V2. But Pete, we could have had
Marshawn Lloyd and Lad Mcconkey instead of Chase Brown and Ricky
Pearsall. Don't do the pearsall.
One, that's the TV too. You said we'd prefer it, no?
No, the Pearsall, that's such a bad faith.
You're bad faith on that thing. And it's and it's fully bad
faith because we all wanted Lloyd.
All right, guys, when Brandon IU gets traded and we are starting
Ricky Pierce all in the Sprint, I want everyone to all.
Right, Davis, I want you. I'm going to unless you go recap
the team top top to bottom service them audio listeners.
All right. Do you guys do in draft order or
by position? Let's see, maybe we should.
Here I'll go to our rosters. I I've got it up, I've got it
pulled up. Yeah, I'm, I'm going to pull it
up for the visual watchers. Oh, we're going to service both.
We're going to service everybody.
Yeah, all. Right, all right.
We drafted out of the 9 hole tree branches because we are all
a part of Kitchen's tree. Obviously we did CJ Stroud at
quarterback with a running back room of Derrick Henry, Chase
Brown, Rico Dowdell and Trey Benson.
Pretty good for a ship chasing running backroom.
Honestly, a lot of guys who like have like real ranges of
outcomes on that's kind of, you know, this is not famously when
we took Jalen Samuel, Anthony McFarland and Jones Junior on
one team and then none of them talk about guys we were happy to
cut. Jalen Samuels I think he didn't
say Audrey. Estimate his name for the audio.
Listers. Yeah, Audrey, Estimate, Trey
Benson, Rico Dado, Chase Brown, Derrick Henry, wide receiver
room of I'm on Ross St. Brown.
We did take Marvin Harrison, junior in the second round,
added Nicole Collins in the third, Keenan Allen in the sixth
on Tavian Wicks in the 9th, famously Ricky Pearsalla ahead
of Marshawn Lloyd in the 13th round, producer Jalen McMillan
in the 14th, Gabe Davis in the 15th, Marvin Mims in the 17th.
But the tight end Brock Bowers, Luke Musgrave in the 12th, which
triggered a tight end run marginal player on a bad team
Theo Johnson in the 16th round, Jake Elliott deserve.
That stray? He's a marginal player on a bad
team. Jake Elliott taking a peek on
Friday night and the Cincinnati Bengals defense against Jacoby
Brissette in the New England Patriots.
One way to gauge how well we did is how Steph is feeling about
her waiver. Wire she's got her work.
Cut the fuck out for her on the. She commented.
I'm going to be very busy. Really.
I actually think a lot of our teams are generally way more
weak at like 1 specific area. I feel like this team is pretty
balanced. This doesn't strike me as a
waiver wire. Kind of weak across the board.
I'm a little. Concerned about the rest of the
week? I think we're going to run into
receiver depth issues, especially if Keenan Allen's 240
lbs. Yeah, Keenan's two. 4 Marvin
Harrison isn't like an immediate stud.
And we're like, OK, we have Almanron, Nico.
And if we find, if we find one breakout of Wicks, Pierce all
McMillan, Davis, Mims, one. Yeah, we'll be all right.
No 12. .9 points per game We're we're chilling.
Well, the thing, so the waiver grind is specifically at
quarterback and tight ends, like when you're not strong, then you
have to turn because you think about it this way, any running
backs or wide receivers that are flashing that like you're going
to be in the mix for them regardless of what your team is.
So like the, the level of waiver wire, you know, Chornis all
relates to the onesies. Like if you don't have the elite
quarterback and you're just streaming all year long, it it's
a it's a grind. So we're probably streaming
tight ends here because, you know, Bowers, you know, we're
hoping he breaks out and is a superstar, but it might take a
little while. And then, like, you know, we're
fairly thin behind him, so there's going to be work.
Yeah, I'm, I'm, I don't know, hopefully.
I mean, it's, it might just be, you know, too much, you know,
opium. But I I feel like Bowers can get
off to a fast start too. He can.
He definitely can. Yeah, yeah.
They were, they were doing all kinds of creative stuff with him
in the preseason, which gives me like lots of opium.
Like if you're showing that stuff in the preseason, that
just means that that's like a part of your offense.
Like if Brock Bauer's running routes as a full back is just
like part of what they're doing, that just means that's part of
what they're doing. You know, Like, it's not, it's
not a special thing you dialed up to do in a preseason game.
We got The Who is the starting RB2 week one on this team, which
is a pretty common question. For this is like the best
starting RB2 we've ever asked. He's brown, he's the RB2 or
Rico. Yeah.
Rico's normally the RB. What?
So Rico's RB3 feels incredible. We might be flexing a running
back week 1. Honestly, well it depends if
Nico can get down or if if Keenan can get down to like 225.
225. I think we can start.
I think we can. Start with.
That we're going to make him step on a scale, though.
William William Ferrante. In Fantasy Mojo, if you don't
mind, if you can confirm that we are the only team in the history
of the 2024 FFPCM main event to start with a Monroe, Marvin
Harrison and Derrick Henry, I think that would make us all
feel. Correct.
We would feel we would feel better.
That is true. Oh, Nico and Derrick Henry.
Yes, yes. Of course, I'm so excited for
Derrick Henry to run for 80 yards, catch 1 pass and not
score like 12 times. No, this is five points.
This is the ultimate hedge book. We either all get wiped out on
underdog or we win the FFPC main event.
You know it's. Well, the only those are the
only true possible outcomes. I agree.
Yeah, The other thing that's funny about the Henry pick is
our last draft we were so in on the Baltimore pass rate that we
took Andrews and Zay unstacked together.
What hour do you put Derrick Henry?
I tried to guess. Take Lamar.
You. Too, In hindsight, you should
have taken Lamar. I wasn't ready for that, that
build. But I was like, like after the
draft, I was like, how did we not take Lamar?
You have to take. Lamar, thank you.
I was like, what are we doing? We made the bet that.
Was the one where you guys took Richardson?
I didn't forget what we did. Yeah, that was insane.
I think no, we took Daniels, we took Daniels, we took Daniel.
Daniel it actually, which is like you and we got him at a
discount. So if you're going to do that,
you need Daniels to fall to you. And he did.
Which? Which one was it?
Are you talking about the slow? No, this was the one with the
sack. This.
Was the oh, the sack? Yeah.
Last week you guys you guys passed on Lamar and took
Richardson the. Top one there, Pete, No.
No, we didn't take. Richard, you took.
Stroud. Is it this one the livolo?
No, it was. We just don't know.
It's called. Oh, yeah.
Thank you. No, we took Daniels.
Yeah, this is the Daniels. OK.
All right. Yeah, we took it was still it
was. Still insane though.
But Drake may we took. Higgins over Lamar.
We did take Higgins over Lamar. I Yeah, yeah.
We're going to really need, I think.
Do we have Keenan on my? Single.
Team. OK, we got to stop.
Taking We got to stop taking Keenan Allen after tonight like
it's. Yeah, we're good.
We have him. On this team too.
I wanted Deonte tonight. We don't have him yet, but Davis
goes anyone. But Deonte Johnson.
I was ready to get in on Deonte. So.
We didn't have to take. Back Keenan Yeah, marginal
marginal player on a bad team. Got to add more Deonte Johnson.
Is this like something you like? A mantra you whisper to yourself
before bed? No.
More marginal players. On Well, he only takes Chiefs,
so probably, yeah. I only take marginal players on
good teams there. Are like 4 dudes that have
earned the targets per hour run that Deonte Johnson has over his
career. And it's like, all right, I
mean, he's marginal. Marginal, I agree that's.
Not a good tweet. I just googled.
Keenan Allen 2:30 This guy goes. I told my wife that Keenan Allen
weighs 230 lbs and she didn't seem to care one bit.
But when I weighed 230 lbs, suddenly it was a problem.
That is good. Man, I, I, I can't wait to
Apparently the the reviews are coming in.
People are sharing their Macmillan exposures in the
discord. Let me see if I.
Can get sorry. Look at this.
Look at this comment John just posted this on.
I'd rather my. Player lose a leg than get a
shift. What if I told?
What if this? Is what if I told you?
What if I told you we're not done yet?
We're not done. What if I told you we're not
done? You might have.
Only seen a tip of the iceberg tonight.
That's what I will say. Just leave.
Dorch. Just leave Dorch out of it.
Leave him out of it dude, he didn't do anything to deserve
this. Marginal player on a bad team.
No, I don't know. Great player.
Great player on the 7th best team in the NFL.
Dude. Dude I there was like a
highlight today of him that was. Circulating that was like Greg
Dorg, just like fucking just wrecking schools today.
So. It was pretty good.
You got him it. Was.
He made the defender. He literally crossed him up.
He made him. He made the defender fall over
in the rain. Literally, as I said this, Ian
Hardis just posted it on on Twitter.
Let's see this here. We'll do one more clip and then
we'll this is what everybody was losing.
Did you? Did you retweet this?
Davis? Did you see this clip?
Well I don't, I don't. I don't retweet bro.
I steal videos. That's not Greg Dorch, I need
you to know. That's.
I I I know I thought it was the exact same angle as the the
Dorch clip from earlier, so I thought it was him, but it's
not. Guys.
All right, that's for us. You got to close the show with
the clip one more time so the people can see it again.
Before you do which one? Before you do chess?
Liam has a has a Twitter thread about Keenan.
Now I'm waiting to go from 30 lbs.
Yes. Perfect.
In earnest, Yeah. Is Keenan Allen a fantasy trap
underneath two Sirens? Reportedly up to 230 after
playing 210 in past seasons. I don't think Liam is being
serious on this, but maybe. No dude, you did the whole
thing. There's.
Liam is Liam is a big, Liam's a big roam.
Actually, he two tweets down he goes.
Nathan, this wasn't meant to be a factual post, so.
Yeah, I think I think easy is right.
Liam does very little in earnesty.
That was a joke. The aggregators would do that,
and they did. Liam farms me.
Liam farmed you, he farms me and could work.
We do need a Pierce All ship chasing clip.
I think Pierce All is one of our highest exposure players right
now. Well.
You guys, you guys are. Hoping Pretty Ricky is right.
I tried to get you to draft him and we didn't.
Oh. That's right, we didn't.
And then I tried to get Davis not to draft him, and he didn't.
We needed a. Little bit.
We just needed a little bit upside, man.
I just kind of felt we needed a little bit.
Upside. If Marshall Lloyd's the guy you
need, I'm going to be pissed. If Marshall Lloyd's the guy you
need, I'm going to be pissed because all my teams are in like
May with him. All right, Davis was mentioning
listening to Stealing Bananas earlier.
I've been enjoying listening to the predicting round one and
round two episodes. Anything else scratch?
I know you're churning out sub stack post as well.
Yeah, a ton of sub stack content, offseason stealing
signal stuff still wrapping up, which is a ton of team by team
stuff, single signal and noise and all of that.
The preseason stuff, someone off like question and answer stuff.
I mean, there's there's posts like daily.
So yeah, firing those off. Did a stream yesterday with HUD
Bimfor on. We did a big eliminator draft
and then I had Jacob Sanderson on.
We did a big dog on stealing signals YouTube.
That was a really fun stream. Stealing bananas.
That's about it. Nice, Pat.
Yeah, I've got a post that I'm going to try and get out
tomorrow morning on Rico Dowdle. Just kind of it's like a thought
I had with like Dynasty. We find these spots where like
we try to be as little right as possible and kind of made the
case earlier was why I think that kind of thinking applies to
doubt a little bit. I'm working on a rookie wide
receivers post. I'm starting to work on the
legendary running back series that I do every year as well.
Hoping to get that out next week.
And then the sidekick, we've got DraftKings.
As I mentioned, we have an alpha version.
Head over to the leg up discord if you want to check that out.
There's like, you know, we, we're, we're trying to get it in
people's hands. It requires a few hoops to jump
through to get it set up. That's why it's an alpha, not
not beta, but head over to to leg up Discord and we'll, we'll
give you the details on how to do that.
And then I'm hopeful that that will be out in the normal, the
normal production sidekick very soon.
Davis. Head on over to the YouTube Big
Giveaway. People are saying a $1.5 million
giveaway. Will be the.
Biggest giveaway? It's huge.
The biggest? It's massive.
You'll never see a giveaway this big ever again, so make sure
you're right there. I was shot and little taste.
And and my redraft tears are going to be out on the the
Patreon tomorrow as well. May will not.
Be chats. I will I'll say I I just did a
randomizer draft with Sam Sherman.
So if you watch this channel regularly, you're familiar with
Sam on ADP chasing. It was it was a really, really
fun episode. We had a lot of good bits over
there, some in Sam's wheelhouse like Fudding, you know, JSN and
T Higgins, and some out of his wheelhouse like having to talk
like a pirate while making a pick.
So if you want to enjoy that, check out the randomizer.
And yeah, next week we will have a another main event draft.
I believe Sean Siegel is our draft next Thursday.
And a note on that, it's going to be at 7:00 PM Eastern next
week and the following week with Crackrock are both 7:00 PM.
Eastern drafts here on the channel.
And I believe Sam said today you guys are gonna have Rotopat on
ADP chasing on Monday. So that will be a good show as
well. Appreciate you guys hanging out.
Apologies to your Jalen McMillan bags.
It is what it is. We'll see you guys next time and
we'll roll it once more for good measurement.
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