All right, we are back here for the ship chasing mini soap
series. We are 4 picks down in our first
FFPC main event slow. We have started a J Brown CD,
Liam, Devo Samuel, and the little surprise cliffhanger from
last episode is DK. Metcalf comes back around to us.
We didn't think that was going to happen guys.
We do kind of reluctantly select him.
None of our favorite player and yet looking at the board,
looking at a DP. Thinking maybe this is our
chance to get our DK Metcalf shares for the season at 4 too.
We really like the Kyle Pitts pick more for structure, but we
at the end of the day was these guys have an 18 pick gap in ADP,
Metcalf is behind ADP. We'd have to reach to get pits,
and that was a lot of a IK being for our first draft. 18 picks
around and 1/2. Yeah.
And it just felt like, you know, the room is giving us a really
nice price on Metcalf here. Maybe this is the only time we
take Metcalf all year. It easily could be.
None of us are all that psyched about him, but to get a fourth
round Metcalf is is pretty nice in a portfolio that's probably
going to be pretty light on him. So I thought, I thought it made
sense. And you do see the kind of the
sliding doors build from our friend Ryan from the 10 hole.
He's a ship chaser here. He does do the, the slight ADP
reach for, you know, structural purposes.
Granted, maybe he had a flatter tier of wide receiver to decide
on and didn't have a faller like Metcalf.
Maybe we can talk to him and see if he would have taken Metcalf
there. But he does take George Kittle,
comes back around, takes Terry Mclaurin.
We are now on the clock in the back into the fifth round.
A couple of interesting quarterbacks went off the board
and Herbert in fields. We saw a bunch of running backs
go off in this round and I'm sitting here looking at this
board and my quick thoughts were, one, this is just firmly
wide receiver territory. There's no quarterbacks, there's
no tight ends in the one running back I think we collectively
like or would generally be on board with.
JK Dobbins has serious question marks, mainly around his
contract. I'm not actually worried as much
about the health being on PUP, but I think better prices are
coming for JK Dobbins. So I guess I'll open it up to
you guys here. Is there any possible pick other
than a wide receiver at this selection?
I don't really see one. I think it almost has to be a
wide receiver. I mean, Dobbins would be the
running back for me, but we could maybe talk about him in
the 6th. I mean, I think he could.
He's in play for me in the in the sixth I think.
But I don't know, there's a couple wide receivers I I really
like here. I think we could just go wide
receiver, wide receiver again. There's a couple names I would
throw out Dobbins, just powering through and taking Dobbins as
one. DeAndre Swift is at the other
turn. It's a long way, but he's
interesting when he could reach for probably not him.
The the name that I think. If you're going to make a case,
I think it's Javante Williams who has gone as high as 39
overall already in in these. I have to assume his ADP of 77
is going to continue to rise as he is now on track to be the
Week 1 starter. That didn't add anyone.
There was some talk of like Dalvin Cook right when Dalvin
Cook got cut. And the fact that that talk went
away really quick I think is a really positive sign, as well as
obviously Javante not opening on PUP.
It would be early to take him with his five sixth turn, but I
think he's at least in the discussion if we think his ADP
winds up in this range. I think it probably does.
I think that's fair. Javante was the only other name
I flight. And I should also say with the
Dobbins and Javante stuff, I still think that would be a
select conversation for the early six, which we are gonna
obviously have here. But like on that point of this
selection, like I don't see how this selection isn't for wide
receiver. I think there's 4 clear wide
receivers in play here for me, just kind of based on ADP, where
they generally go, oh, go ahead. Can we I mean I just wanted.
I don't. I'm not really, you know,
Javante with. With the 6:02 pick, I think
you're right, he could settle here, but like he did have a
multi ligament tear and like I would just rather go with
Dobbins. So I think like talent wise I
think you're getting a pretty similar bet in Dobbins and he's
two years off of similar injury. Yeah, you're eating the contract
risk, but you also get bit of a more explosive offense as part
of the deal too. So I I the case against Javante
is if he rises to where we think he is, like this is where he's
going to land. Like right after Kenneth Walker.
Right, in draft. But I want to take him now in
draft so I don't have to do this.
Like, I want to be like. Like I I think you're still
taking on a fair amount of risk with Javante.
I don't. Think he'll make it back?
But that's a fair point. He won't.
That's a fair point. He won't, yeah, because his ADP
at 77, we are going to pick at what, 83?
He's he's not going to make it. Back, yeah.
And I should say I'm looking at the ADP from both the fancy pros
and main events. So there's a lot more in here.
When I said his highest is 39, that might have been a fancy
pros. It might not be an actual main
event, But I mean the fact that he went 39th already in a draft
is kind of wild to me. It is wild for sure.
So. Go ahead, Pete, with the wide.
Receivers, So I was going to say the four wide receivers that
look interesting to me and I think again because this tier is
relatively flat, I do think you could go a little deeper if we
had like our guys got. But the ones who stand out to me
are DJ Moore, Deontay Johnson, Mike Williams and Brandon.
And I you like those four guys would be the ones I think would
really be in the conversation here.
Is there any other name? And again, I'm talking
specifically at this pic, not saying we couldn't take two of
these guys or dip into another one, but for these, pick this
pic, that's what jumps out to me.
I agree. You and yeah, I won't even bring
up cammakers. All right, fine Cammakers is
long gone. I've won.
Yeah. No, that's what I'm saying.
Like the running backs are. It's Dobbins.
Then you're Sanders. Madison Rashad White.
Damian Pierce. James Connor.
DeAndre Swift. Like the running backs are wiped
here. Got it.
Based on like value pocket of the board, you know.
Yeah I mean so I'm I'm definitely, I mean obviously I'm
fine to just piss yellow and I think we can go wide receiver,
wide receiver here. The the, the reason I'm sort of
almost trying to pigeonhole a conversation about running backs
and and and Pete you make a great point about just this
pick. I was, I was sort of thinking of
the two picks together, but is the conversation that we had
about running back targets anti then targets hitting in the same
range? One of the things we talked
about to pivot off of that was to potentially take a Justin
Herbert or Justin Fields at this 5-6 turn.
They go in the three picks right before us here.
So we don't actually have a quarterback option either.
We don't have a path to an elite quarterback necessarily.
We don't have a path to an elite tight end at this point.
And so now it starts to be like, how are we gonna have to hit all
this stuff in the 89101112 range?
How do you feel in and feel comfortable at the end?
I think tight end gets pushed down and we can play tight and
late and that is one thing we like to do, yeah.
I think I I actually feel much more comfortable with the sort
of the triple punt that we're potentially doing because I
think we can layer it where look, I mean you guys are both
really into some of these late quarterbacks that I'm not so
into it in best ball like Sam Howell, but I think Sam Howell
is a pretty interesting main event pick.
We can cut him if he's, if he's bench like and I think he'll be
fun regardless of how the season plays out.
And you know. Boy, that now you're speaking by
luggage. We're looking at Sam Howe on the
fifth round. I'd be.
Who cares? I'd be happy to to to go with
the how not you wouldn't be our only guy but like you know he
provides upside the job. I love you guys talking about
the guy we need to take when the one person who's for sure
listening to this that's in our draft is just selected.
Terry Mclaurin, you guys are so bad at this.
All right, well, you know, maybe I'm not bad at it.
Maybe I'm really fucking good at it.
Everything. Go on out.
No. So yeah, let's stay focused here
though. No, because I do.
We have quarterback options late.
I'm not panicked about quarterback.
I think it is more the thing Ben saying the 0 RB in tight end
targets. Conversion tight end, right?
Tight end, you have plenty of tight ends.
A full tight end punt is also pretty interesting.
Yeah. So the thing that we would need
to prioritize is running back in those in that.
In that pocket, right in that kind of 0 running back pocket,
that's what we could. When does that start?
Like I would argue it maybe should start at this turn with
an anchor, even if it is Dobbin somebody that we're a little
concerned about. I I understand that we can wait,
but like if if you're doing a full 0 RB running back room,
that's a legit 0 RB running back room that doesn't have one of
these deads on the anchor types. Like you're you're sacrificing
projected points there. The late quarterback, late tight
end is also viable. I'm with you on all that, but
we're definitely sacrificing projected points at both of
those spots as well. It does become dicey, I think.
We can layer it, but our team's not going to look great at the
end. I mean to me though, like we we
already made those decisions, right?
Like we passed on Mark Andrews, we packed on Kyle Pitts and we
basically said we are not going to reach to get the structure we
want, that we're going to take the best possible players on the
board knowing we do feel confident we can piece together
those other positions. To me, the wide receivers are so
clearly the best picks on the board right now that I don't
even I see zero opportunity cost to it.
I think we're making a mistake if we if we make a big reach for
for structure at this point. It would be the fix I I honestly
think so. Interesting.
Dobbins is The only exception. But yeah, I think we're, I think
we're capitulating if. I I agree with your point on
Dobbins versus javante, and Dobbins is the one that I'm
fixating on at this point. As we talk about this, his ADP
is not does not say that he's a REACH, but I understand not
wanting to take him ahead of his ADP.
At the current moment where you know we should probably.
Be Here's the other thing about it for me is that I think, like,
you know, when I'm looking at my best ball drafts and stuff, I'm
taking DJ Moore ahead of Dobbins without thinking.
I'm taking Mike Williams ahead of Dobbins without thinking.
I'm generally taking Deonte Johnson and Brandon and Yuk
ahead of him without thinking. So those four guys all being
here and knowing that we're going to get two of them make me
also feel like. I am too.
But are you still when you start 4 receivers?
I think that's when I actually consider taking Dobbins.
Well, in best Ball, I wouldn't. Right?
In Best Ball, I wouldn't. But this isn't Best ball.
Yeah, we don't need to be as worried about getting those
early season points sliding into our lineup at running back.
We're trying to hit. We're trying to hit four
absolute stud wide receivers. We're locking into our lineup
every week, so sure. Yeah, going a little harder at
the position I think makes actually makes sense, so I don't
mind it. The the the last thing and we we
can get to the receiver debate, but the last thing is we have
already talked about the 7-8 looking great for receiver.
Are you guys prepared to start eight straight receivers or do
you think 7-8 will be a? Better than I think.
I think I mean at running back, right, we could be looking at
some you know pick 84 there is a pocket of running back.
So I think would be OK We probably need.
Probably need to get lucky with like a faller or right or
someone right at ADP. But if you just look in the
applet I think we'd be all right with with our first running back
at like the 802 right? Cuz I think you are gonna be
then in the like and I'm hesitant.
I honestly am kind of hesitant to toss talk names out but I do
think that there's gonna be names we like there because my
my whole thought too has been even with like underdog that a
lot of the running backs in 910 aren't that different from like
the six sevens right now too some of those like secondary
backs. So, but I to your point, Ben, I
think I'm completely open to both configurations there of
like if we had a huge follower, we loved that wide receiver.
Like if we do start, what would it be, 8 wide receivers?
I honestly would be fine with that.
But I'm also completely open to the fact we might really like a
running back or tight end in that range.
So let's talk to wide receivers, cuz I do think you can make
interesting cases for all four of them.
They're different players, different team environments,
they win in different ways. I mean the one that jumps out to
me is Brandon Ayuk and I know that maybe they're like super
sealing outcomes with Debo already on the team aren't like
perfectly correlated, but we're making a bet on that offense.
I do think I you can Debo are used in different enough ways
that it can work and if one of them does have the true breakout
like you're going to be very, very happy to have that.
And in addition to that if you have a Kittle or CMC injury like
then you have like a full blast off consolidated scenario.
But I I do like all of these guys.
Mike Williams is the one I'm like slightly down on, but I'm
curious like if you guys have a lien on your favorite of those
four? My favorite.
I was gonna let you go first. Go ahead.
My favorite is DJ Moore. You know, especially like when
you but. He's the one that I was gonna
say I want least, so I just think that so but.
Yeah, I mean, I think when you're looking at like what
we're trying to accomplish here, we have 4 wide receivers and.
We're looking now for a fifth wide receiver.
So it's like, well how are you going to start all these guys,
right? Like that's what we always get
the push back on DJ Moore gives us such clear paths to us
feeling like we can start him if Justin feels take a takes a step
forward as a passer if they're a run first but not ultra run
heavy team. DJ Moore's got 27% target share
or whatever. We're like locked and loaded
like he. It's just a very easy path now.
That might not happen. I get the some of the concerns
about that, but he's just like, you know, we're not just like
hoping we get lucky in that week that they, you know, the things
kind of funnel his way. If this offense takes a step
forward, it's going through DJ Moore.
I just don't see it that way at all.
It's it's interesting. I do not think it's a clear
path. I see it as a real Gray area
where his breakout is. Very spike week.
Have you? Like I actually get the argument
in best ball more I think. I think Darnell Mooney and Chase
Claypool are both good players. I think the ways that the Bears
offense could manifest in increased past volume could be
unpredictable. Weekly.
They will still have weeks like last year and so we won't feel
comfortable playing him on a weekly basis.
And so like, why would you draft him in a really wide receiver
heavy room? I would want to draft him in A
room. Where I'm locked and loaded
starting him every week I I see that path to him being a clear
starter as like a really narrow one.
I do see some of the like out positive outcomes for him, but I
think after we get like 8 games of data, it's like Oh yeah, he's
had like 5 really good games and three like where they went super
run heavy and looked more like the 2022 version of themselves
and then you're like how men can we even start him.
That was the reason I was like because we've already gone four
straight receivers. I don't like him like I actually
like. Deontay Johnson the most where
I'm like, I I think he has the clear paths where if this
passing offense takes a little bit of a step forward, we know
the target volume is going to be there.
If he's like, vaguely efficient, he's an easy guy.
Just he's my least favorite. He's your.
Least favorite? Yeah, just.
I think because I don't think he's very good.
I think he can earn targets and you know he'll have his like I
kind of the argument you made like if we had a couple running
backs and we just need a receiver that we that we're
putting our live every week and we feel OK about.
He fits that bill for me, but like.
He's not, you know, he actually, I think Pickens and Friarmuth
are much stronger target competition than Moore is
dealing with. Yeah.
And then you also have Kenny Pickett versus Justin Fields in
terms of sealing. But the the offenses are way
different. A huge part of my plan, the
Bears still goes back. They.
Might not be that. They might not be that different
if the if the bears based on what?
We have to have this conversation longer.
We got to do a pod together because I think you are really
under weighting the 2022 football season.
The ways that cover twos happened.
The ways that teams answered with Russian.
The mayor's going to be dealing with the ton of cover two.
Like they're not trying to. They're not trying to take away.
Yeah, like. But they, like, they're same
coaching staff, made decisions to go really, really run heavy
as a way to combat that they could throw more.
But like I ended. Up they were combatting over
too. They were combating, not trying
to get embarrassed. They were down like 2 scores and
running the shit out of the ball.
They were. That's a lot of certainty, I
think, for how stark their trends were.
I wind up really aligned with Leonie on this.
Who was talking as well about like, how bad can this getting
get? Super, super bad.
I I my range of outcomes for their passing even like taking a
step forward is like it's really, really hard for me to
see how they get anywhere near. Like Pittsburgh's pass offense
has been a a a positive PROE team.
Like every year I know Pickett's a different quarterback than
what they have with Rosberger but they still have like Matt
Canada in place and everything. Like there's pass to them being.
I mean, it might. What?
It's his third year, right? Yeah, but they've been, they've
been a positive PRO team the last couple of years.
Yeah. Let's talk about they're talking
about pound on the rock, they're they're getting a lot of lip
service to pound on the rock, so.
They're actually they were actually in a negative PM last
year Bet I agree completely with like the downside risk to DJ
more like I I'm not like it could be very bad but I do you
agree that he has a a higher range of tippity top outcomes
than Deontay Johnson like when the things do align you don't
because I I just there's no way Deontay Johnson as a player when
everything comes together can do more with that opportunity than
DJ more like DJ. More well the opportunities that
Deonte. It's the opportunity close, the
opportunities that can meet the perfect situation.
I don't think there's a scenario where he can get 150 targets
with the Bears and Deonte Johnson does that every year.
So it is like the. Opportunity isn't going to be
the same. Like, I think it's it's a faulty
argument to to discuss Deonte Johnson and DJ Moore on similar
Target volume. Like Deonte Johnson's Target
floor over the last three or four years is a number that I
don't think DJ Moore can even reach.
So like yes, I think on a per target basis DJ Moore is a
better football player and would do way more with the volume.
But in terms of their actual tippity, top outcomes for the
two different players, I don't I I I think Deonte has to do a lot
less per target because there is a meaningful gap he'll.
Take you up on that. What do you mean?
He'll take a lot less per target.
Oh yeah, yeah, I think that's. His calling partner?
Yeah, I know for sure. But like, that's The thing is
like. That doesn't feel that hard to
me for him to finally just have an efficient season.
But maybe it is that hard for him.
I I get it. Like I agree.
I I don't love the talent. But I, I, I mean the last three
years, 144 targets, 169 targets, 147 targets for for any Bears
receiver. And this is even not I think
Mooney and Claypole are actually decent players.
But this is, you know, saying that he really consolidates for
any Bears receiver to get. Anywhere near that I think would
be really difficult. They'd have to take a huge step
forward and the volume have to be really consolidated last
year. They're, they're target leaders
and I understand their volume is going to come up 69614140.
That's their top four target. 69 Cole Comet led their team in
targets last year. I mean, if DJ Morgan's like 110
targets this year, that's I mean he's consolidated volume and
they've probably taken a step forward in volume.
I'm projecting him for 1:15. I'm projecting him very, I think
pretty aggressively, but. I don't think he can get
anywhere near like I don't. I don't see how he gets to 140
targets. I just the math does not make
any sense. It would be such a big step
forward. But maybe I'm maybe I'm
undervaluing. The This is why I'm on IUK,
because Iyuk I think he, I think is is talented.
We like the offense. We've made a bet on that.
Like to me he kind of checks a little bit of the boxes that.
DJ Moore and Deontay Johnson both don't check on like
opposite ends. Like he kind of middles what I
think we're we're looking for here.
What do you? Think I don't love that we have
him in Debo. I will say.
I mean I think, yeah, like when imagining the three-week Sprint,
it's like I get what you're saying about maybe Kittle goes
down or something, but otherwise it's like it does feel like
we're sort of just trying to hit a double with it.
Mike Williams is also tough because I like him in best ball.
I think he's a bit underrated. I think he gets he's not a
complete player and he got overrated for a number of years
I think. And so we kind of, I think maybe
have a little bit of a bias against him.
But Quinton Johnston could be emerging down the stretch and
he's another guy who just like is is the Sprint, you know,
thinking through the Sprint. He's a little bit tougher but.
Mike Williams is my least favorite of all the guys we
discussed. I I get that, yeah.
I mean IUK is. Apparently, like looking amazing
in training camp for what that's worth.
And you know could could maybe take a step forward.
I think is a pretty good player and the offense could be scoring
a ton of points and like my bowl case for the Bears would still
have them probably passing less than the 49ers did last year.
Like my my thing is like could they get to 500 passing attempts
which would put them at 28th in the league last year but.
Yeah, I mean that it might be tough for them to do that cuz
they only had 377 last year. They're extremely, extremely run
out. And the biggest thing about it
for me with fields, I do think it takes a step forward as a
player, but it's both of the elements that are dropbacks that
don't become pass attempts. So it's not just they're called
pass, right? But it's also that when they
call passes, he takes sacks at a really high rate.
He scrambles at a really high rate, league high in both.
So when you combine the percentage of dropbacks that
don't become pass attempts, it's way above the league high.
And even if he does a better job of getting rid of the ball early
like it's. Still going to the Ravens.
The Ravens last year had 488 passing attempts, and that was
with an incomplete season from Lamar Jackson.
So, like, I am not being like, Oh my God, they're gonna,
they're gonna Chuck it. They're gonna Chuck it.
When I say we could see a huge regression towards passing
attempts, like 100 more passing attempts could just like be
available here relative to last year.
I mean that's a huge, so you know if he had a 30% target
share on 488 passing attempts that's 400 or sorry, that's 146
targets to your point, it's still not 150 targets, but and
30% is a really high target share by like a 35% target share
of 488 to 122. So yeah, I mean, you're
definitely looking at a lower targeted player, but is he
getting, you know, some of the deep shots?
Is he getting, you know? The first reads constantly in
the red zone. That's so I would argue that the
market the market's with. Yeah, the market's with me on
this too, though, where there was that conversation, Fields
did the little interview where he said he was gonna become the
first Paris quarterback to throw for 4000 yards, which is not a
huge number in a 17 game season. I'm projecting Patrick from my
home to throw for over 5000, which is, you know, a lofty
projection. I have 22 quarterbacks projected
for 4000 passing yards this year.
I'm assuming health for each. It's not going to be 22 in a
given season. But I have fields.
I have fields. Dropbacks coming way up.
But what I'm talking about is the percentage of dropbacks
become pass attempts. I also have that percentage
coming down. So more of his dropbacks become
pass attempts, but I get him up to 470 pass attempts in that.
You know that projection I project about 3500 passing
yards. But the point I'm making is when
I saw that quote somebody commented I, if I'm not mistaken
that you can get in the prop market like I think close to
12:50 on Justin Fields to throw for 4000 yards.
That's how like if if you guys are this confident in his
betting, you guys should go bet his his 4000 yard pass on his
passing coming forward, go bet his 4000 yard passing numbers.
And the other issue I would say with where we're at with DJ
Moore is Fields came off the board.
If you guys could convince me that we could get Fields and
more together at this turn like. If I know now deeds rewards,
that's. You'll just a hit field does a
smash if you're right about DJ more.
I want to take them together. If you guys are right about
that, I love. Taking them together, yeah.
That is a bummer. Fields was the one that killed
me when it got peeled off because I thought with that
structure and just knowing we were gonna like the wide
receivers, having one. Elite onesie that we actually
felt was a good ADP value in a Smash, So that was the biggest
gut punch of the whole draft for me.
But like, so where are we? Do you have concerns about
taking? Yeah, my question is just do you
guys have concerns about taking more solo without fields?
Cuz I just feel like you're losing to a field's mode draft.
I still. They're gonna be stacked a lot.
I I do. I do.
I do get that. I mean, my thing that I'm more
thinking through is kind of like what Pat was saying of like, who
do we feel really good when things hit right, of sticking
them in our starting lineup? Like how does this guy get in
our starting lineup over these four guys?
And I just think I feel better about the hit scenarios where
the Bears do. Pick up and DJ Moore has the
best quarterback he's ever played with.
Like, I do think through those ceiling scenarios as being very
exciting. But again, my favorite isn't DJ
Moore. I I think Brandon Iuk is the
best pick here. I have a hard time with IUK too,
and I I think I agree with Pat and after he laid that out,
having him in Samuel, I think you wind up sort of questioning
which of those two you play. Like, if Iuke's a hit, it just
makes it really hard to know which of the San Fran receivers
you're playing. Kind of.
So I mean, I and I I agree. I I think you can win both ways.
The 49ers are just utterly dominant, and you want to be
starting. Plausible outcome or?
Or there is an injury to any one of those guys, CMC Kittle or one
of those who we would take and you are just windmilling it in
on the other one every single week.
True. Yeah I I mean I you is
definitely intriguing to me He's he's got.
The fact that Purdy is now looking like pretty locked in as
the starter, I think it's very good for passing volume there.
Purdy was also good last year. So yeah, I I think like DJ Moore
is my favorite, but I I think Iuke would be and in some ways
Mike Williams would be my next guy.
At least he's he's close with Iuke because.
I just get to bet on the Chargers and the chart.
Maybe the Chargers are putting up a ton of points.
It's a very similar case to why you actually like maybe the
Chargers are just you just want pieces of that offense and maybe
Keenan's banged up and Mike Williams got an awesome target
share down the stretch and we haven't already bet on a
different piece of the offense. So he's someone I think we
should at least be open minded about when he comes back next
round. And again, not that it couldn't
work out, but almost same with your guys's concerns about you
with Debo. My concerns of having our
back-to-back picks if DK Metcalf, Mike Williams, two guys
I am terrified are gonna get dusted by younger, more talented
teammates down the stretch is like very, very scary to me.
And that's not even to speak of the other talented veteran on
their teams that they have to compete with in Tyler Lockett
and Kenan. That's a very compelling case.
I do think the Mike Williams ceiling case if the charges are
just a really interesting pass game, is probably strong.
But I'm I'm pretty out on Williams too.
I want to be clear. I've argued pretty vehemently in
this pod, but I do think these are reasonably close calls and
I'm like comfortable being outvoted on this.
Like I don't, I don't. I'm not like pounding the table.
But when you do ask that question of who do I think in a
in a ceiling outcome or a hit outcome, I feel most comfortable
putting in our starting lineup. Like to me just opinion.
It's easily Deontay Johnson because the target volume is
there and all we have to do is get a passing game.
We're like Kenny Pickett's OK and like there's a modicum of
efficiency in the passing game. George Pickens is good, I think,
but didn't earn volume at a huge rate last year.
I don't think there's a Alan Robinson's going to be running a
lot of rounds for this team. He's going to do probably
ultimately nothing. I think there are a lot of pass
that Deonte Johnson being the clear #1 again and getting a lot
of target volume and then it's just OK if Pickett's good enough
to kind of help Deonce from an efficiency standpoint.
We finally get that year where OK he doesn't have a sub seven
yards per target like that's not like hard to envision.
So that's just like where I'm at to that question you you laid
that question out and said for you I I believe you said for you
it's DJ more for me I my answer is just very different on that
but I'm comfortable that you I'm comfortable with more if you
guys like it. I don't love more without fields
is one of the biggest parts because I think if you are
betting on those ceiling outcomes you probably fields is
the bigger hit then than more I in my opinion.
Yeah, I mean they they're both big hits but I I see what you're
saying. I mean I would love to to be
able to go fields more but Rich rebar had a really good take.
Well I I enjoyed the take a lot. He was it was on at the NBC pod,
vertebral pod. He was just kind of talking
about Deonte Johnson as sort of just being one of these not big
hit players and and had a number of advanced stats on.
That's how I felt about Cooper Cup.
For the record, the year the Cooper Cup went went nuclear.
That's how I felt about him. Yeah, yeah.
I mean that's like in some ways a fair cop, right?
Like he's, he's a target earner. But we're like, yeah, but not
enough. And then he's like it is enough.
It doesn't take a lot from when you when you get 140 targets it
doesn't. I mean for cop it took a lot to
get to where he was. I don't think Jeff is going to
do. That, yeah, I think you could.
You could agree. I mean like the hope, right?
Just based on how we're drafting them a J.
Brown CD Lamb anchors fixtures of the lineup.
There could be more volatility with Debo in DK Metcalf.
The only thing that if if you are at least conceding that the
the floor is part of the appeal for Deonte.
If we're drafting 8 wide receivers, I feel way more
comfortable taking a ton of big cuts, being like, can we get?
You know four top ten wide receivers on this team basically
in your case is Deontay Johnson can't be that which I I hear you
right on that. But I also think that you can be
that and and part of my case against DJ Moore is I I guess I
just don't think he can be that as much as I like the player
like I I just I have a really hard time seeing paths for this
offense where we're like yeah this guy's a locked in top 10
receiver like it from a DFS perspective.
We're just like yeah he's a top ten guy every week.
Like I just there's gonna be weeks where that's not how this
often it's projecting a lot different from their team level
stats. A lot different.
So I think then the thing we have to decide on is like, are
you? How are we playing this?
Because it seems like Pat's not is into Deontay Johnson and
inversely. I mean Ben Silva a little bit on
Deontay I still like. Part of it's the picket thing
for me, like if he was getting Matthew Stafford, then maybe, I
don't know, this is that year for him.
I will do. Deonte Johnson here.
If we commit to taking one of Ayuk or DJ more if they come
back. I'm I'm more Ayuk than Johnson.
I'm willing to just take Ayuk if you guys want.
I'm OK with that. But I do think Deonte will
probably go with the turn. This guy took Aman raw, and he
means receivers. He seems to be fine with just
Target. Based on ADP, DJ Moore's The
Highest, and then Deontay Johnson, then Mike.
Well, one thing I was gonna say at the top of this pod, I feel
like I can profile our Ship Chaser pretty well.
I have no idea how to profile this guy.
Yeah, he took Darren Waller. One thing we didn't mention for
the audio listeners, he took Darren Waller 401.
Part of why we kind of were questioning the Metcalf 4/02.
He did the big reach and then Kittle went 403.
So those guys when we talked in the earlier mini so it's about
being more 4-5 turn tight ends. Two of them got pushed up to the
early 4th. So two of the drafters around
our range kind of decided they were going to address this late
draft slot. Not having great shots at tight
end by by reaching on a tight end.
I don't know how to profile him either he's he looks like a
tough guy to pro. He took both Nick Chubb and Joe
mixing. He seems like a little bit of a
grinder, but yeah, I think so. IU guess the lowest ADP I was
gonna say. I'm definitely fine taking IU,
you had kind of said. Is your favorite is most likely
to come back just ADP wise? I do.
I do think that, but again with this guy, I don't know how to
profile him, but. If you look at the top of the
board too, like a guy who takes Joe Mixon where he did, like he
could be very interested in Miles Sanders or Alexander
Madison, I'll actually put a lock that one of his picks is
Alexander Madison. Like that's that's what this,
this feels like. One of you guys are the your
least favorite guy. Both of you is Mike Williams
right? For me, yes.
So we're and for Ben too, right I.
Go I, you the DJ more so if we're doing rank preference
order go what are what is yours Pat?
It's DJ Moore. And then and then at this point,
I don't know. I'm confused.
So that doesn't I would be, I would be Deonte Iyuke, I think I
would be Mike Williams over DJ Moore just completely.
So we're just. Doing Charter right and if.
If pat's not going to vote then, then Iyuke is definitely the.
Well, if we're trying to get two of them.
We're not going to Ben's not going to want DJ Moore, even if
DJ Moore comes back, Yeah, but if you take Deonte here, you can
take DJ more. I won't.
I I'll, I would. That's why I said I'm OK taking
Deonte. If we commit to more or I you
coming back, I don't want to make you I feel bad like I feel
like I'm making you guys both take Deonte.
I was given my opinion, but I don't want to.
If you don't like him, it's OK. It's it's pretty.
Close I mean, I'm pulling up Deonte stuff.
And he had 169 targets in 2021 and 16 games.
He had 144 in 2020, 147 last year.
Like he was the top receiver in open scorer last year.
I do. Think you can say like he's it's
a high floor play, which isn't what we're looking for.
But that high floor creates a ceiling if Pickett doesn't suck
ass this year, which I think he probably will.
But I'm more optimistic on Pickett.
Yeah, what if he doesn't? Alright guys, we need to decide
because I got to get going here. Who we?
Don't let's say Deonte, who's at the he's at the highest, right?
Isn't he got the highest DJ? Is the highest OK?
Well, of the other guys is he's the highest IDP.
Yeah. OK.
Yeah, I think Deonte Ayuk is sort of the plan now, right?
Or are we? I would like to take DJ Moore.
You'd be Deonte. Yeah.
Pete, do you do you wanna take DJ Moore this pick or have I
convinced you off of that? I wanna take Ayuk this pick
Ayuk's my favorite but I'm trying to to to if we in the.
Middle and and get this going. If we think Iyuk is better
served for the 602 because he's the most likely to fall through,
yeah, about for for between Deonte and DJ more, Where were
Julian? Deonte and I'm I'm more DJ Moore
but I I get your your. I don't.
And we're I I literally do not
feel super, super strongly about anything.
Like, I think all of you. I don't.
Really. Yeah.
No. That's why I'm just telling my.
That maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe we should take IYUK then?
Yeah, if we're. Because if you're not, if Deonte
is your third choice and he's like, yeah, yeah, I don't want
to push you guys both towards Deonte if you don't want to take
him basically because I I don't feel strongly enough.
That's just where I like yeah, that's just my opinion on him.
Let's take let's take I you, let's take I you and then we'll
we'll figure out you can definitely on the way.
Back from the sideways. 49ers are gonna crush this year so
let's we all are comfortable with I you he's in my second
pick all right it. All right.
It also opens us up to pretty, you know, becomes interesting as
like a late. Quarterback option for us if we
we get shut out of another quarterback selection there.
OK, all right, we're going to power this down.
This is the classic ship chasing mini.
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