1 00:00:12,930 --> 00:00:16,930 All right, we are back here for the ship chasing mini soap 2 00:00:16,930 --> 00:00:20,210 series. We are 4 picks down in our first 3 00:00:20,290 --> 00:00:23,530 FFPC main event slow. We have started a J Brown CD, 4 00:00:23,530 --> 00:00:26,970 Liam, Devo Samuel, and the little surprise cliffhanger from 5 00:00:26,970 --> 00:00:29,810 last episode is DK. Metcalf comes back around to us. 6 00:00:29,930 --> 00:00:31,650 We didn't think that was going to happen guys. 7 00:00:31,650 --> 00:00:34,530 We do kind of reluctantly select him. 8 00:00:34,530 --> 00:00:37,130 None of our favorite player and yet looking at the board, 9 00:00:37,130 --> 00:00:40,340 looking at a DP. Thinking maybe this is our 10 00:00:40,340 --> 00:00:43,140 chance to get our DK Metcalf shares for the season at 4 too. 11 00:00:43,700 --> 00:00:47,140 We really like the Kyle Pitts pick more for structure, but we 12 00:00:47,180 --> 00:00:50,820 at the end of the day was these guys have an 18 pick gap in ADP, 13 00:00:50,820 --> 00:00:53,860 Metcalf is behind ADP. We'd have to reach to get pits, 14 00:00:54,340 --> 00:00:57,980 and that was a lot of a IK being for our first draft. 18 picks 15 00:00:57,980 --> 00:01:00,260 around and 1/2. Yeah. 16 00:01:00,460 --> 00:01:02,900 And it just felt like, you know, the room is giving us a really 17 00:01:02,900 --> 00:01:06,980 nice price on Metcalf here. Maybe this is the only time we 18 00:01:06,980 --> 00:01:09,970 take Metcalf all year. It easily could be. 19 00:01:09,970 --> 00:01:13,690 None of us are all that psyched about him, but to get a fourth 20 00:01:13,690 --> 00:01:17,730 round Metcalf is is pretty nice in a portfolio that's probably 21 00:01:17,730 --> 00:01:20,490 going to be pretty light on him. So I thought, I thought it made 22 00:01:20,490 --> 00:01:23,110 sense. And you do see the kind of the 23 00:01:23,110 --> 00:01:26,630 sliding doors build from our friend Ryan from the 10 hole. 24 00:01:26,630 --> 00:01:29,990 He's a ship chaser here. He does do the, the slight ADP 25 00:01:29,990 --> 00:01:32,030 reach for, you know, structural purposes. 26 00:01:32,550 --> 00:01:35,550 Granted, maybe he had a flatter tier of wide receiver to decide 27 00:01:35,550 --> 00:01:37,470 on and didn't have a faller like Metcalf. 28 00:01:37,470 --> 00:01:39,670 Maybe we can talk to him and see if he would have taken Metcalf 29 00:01:39,670 --> 00:01:41,150 there. But he does take George Kittle, 30 00:01:41,350 --> 00:01:43,230 comes back around, takes Terry Mclaurin. 31 00:01:43,310 --> 00:01:47,640 We are now on the clock in the back into the fifth round. 32 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,120 A couple of interesting quarterbacks went off the board 33 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,240 and Herbert in fields. We saw a bunch of running backs 34 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,920 go off in this round and I'm sitting here looking at this 35 00:01:55,920 --> 00:02:00,450 board and my quick thoughts were, one, this is just firmly 36 00:02:00,450 --> 00:02:03,170 wide receiver territory. There's no quarterbacks, there's 37 00:02:03,170 --> 00:02:06,530 no tight ends in the one running back I think we collectively 38 00:02:06,530 --> 00:02:08,169 like or would generally be on board with. 39 00:02:08,410 --> 00:02:12,170 JK Dobbins has serious question marks, mainly around his 40 00:02:12,170 --> 00:02:14,010 contract. I'm not actually worried as much 41 00:02:14,010 --> 00:02:16,490 about the health being on PUP, but I think better prices are 42 00:02:16,490 --> 00:02:18,690 coming for JK Dobbins. So I guess I'll open it up to 43 00:02:18,690 --> 00:02:22,050 you guys here. Is there any possible pick other 44 00:02:22,050 --> 00:02:24,090 than a wide receiver at this selection? 45 00:02:27,380 --> 00:02:31,180 I don't really see one. I think it almost has to be a 46 00:02:31,180 --> 00:02:33,220 wide receiver. I mean, Dobbins would be the 47 00:02:33,220 --> 00:02:37,580 running back for me, but we could maybe talk about him in 48 00:02:37,580 --> 00:02:40,420 the 6th. I mean, I think he could. 49 00:02:41,340 --> 00:02:43,940 He's in play for me in the in the sixth I think. 50 00:02:43,940 --> 00:02:46,820 But I don't know, there's a couple wide receivers I I really 51 00:02:46,820 --> 00:02:49,020 like here. I think we could just go wide 52 00:02:49,020 --> 00:02:52,500 receiver, wide receiver again. There's a couple names I would 53 00:02:52,500 --> 00:02:56,260 throw out Dobbins, just powering through and taking Dobbins as 54 00:02:56,260 --> 00:03:00,810 one. DeAndre Swift is at the other 55 00:03:00,810 --> 00:03:04,210 turn. It's a long way, but he's 56 00:03:04,210 --> 00:03:06,450 interesting when he could reach for probably not him. 57 00:03:07,210 --> 00:03:10,330 The the name that I think. If you're going to make a case, 58 00:03:11,050 --> 00:03:14,210 I think it's Javante Williams who has gone as high as 39 59 00:03:14,210 --> 00:03:20,490 overall already in in these. I have to assume his ADP of 77 60 00:03:20,490 --> 00:03:23,890 is going to continue to rise as he is now on track to be the 61 00:03:23,890 --> 00:03:27,390 Week 1 starter. That didn't add anyone. 62 00:03:27,390 --> 00:03:29,910 There was some talk of like Dalvin Cook right when Dalvin 63 00:03:29,910 --> 00:03:32,550 Cook got cut. And the fact that that talk went 64 00:03:32,550 --> 00:03:36,030 away really quick I think is a really positive sign, as well as 65 00:03:36,030 --> 00:03:38,310 obviously Javante not opening on PUP. 66 00:03:38,710 --> 00:03:42,390 It would be early to take him with his five sixth turn, but I 67 00:03:42,390 --> 00:03:46,030 think he's at least in the discussion if we think his ADP 68 00:03:46,030 --> 00:03:47,990 winds up in this range. I think it probably does. 69 00:03:48,990 --> 00:03:51,350 I think that's fair. Javante was the only other name 70 00:03:51,390 --> 00:03:52,710 I flight. And I should also say with the 71 00:03:52,710 --> 00:03:54,830 Dobbins and Javante stuff, I still think that would be a 72 00:03:54,830 --> 00:03:57,510 select conversation for the early six, which we are gonna 73 00:03:57,510 --> 00:03:59,950 obviously have here. But like on that point of this 74 00:03:59,950 --> 00:04:03,790 selection, like I don't see how this selection isn't for wide 75 00:04:03,790 --> 00:04:06,710 receiver. I think there's 4 clear wide 76 00:04:06,710 --> 00:04:10,350 receivers in play here for me, just kind of based on ADP, where 77 00:04:10,390 --> 00:04:13,270 they generally go, oh, go ahead. Can we I mean I just wanted. 78 00:04:13,830 --> 00:04:15,910 I don't. I'm not really, you know, 79 00:04:15,910 --> 00:04:18,529 Javante with. With the 6:02 pick, I think 80 00:04:18,570 --> 00:04:21,450 you're right, he could settle here, but like he did have a 81 00:04:21,450 --> 00:04:26,250 multi ligament tear and like I would just rather go with 82 00:04:26,250 --> 00:04:29,050 Dobbins. So I think like talent wise I 83 00:04:29,050 --> 00:04:32,210 think you're getting a pretty similar bet in Dobbins and he's 84 00:04:32,210 --> 00:04:36,530 two years off of similar injury. Yeah, you're eating the contract 85 00:04:36,530 --> 00:04:40,290 risk, but you also get bit of a more explosive offense as part 86 00:04:40,290 --> 00:04:44,890 of the deal too. So I I the case against Javante 87 00:04:44,970 --> 00:04:48,330 is if he rises to where we think he is, like this is where he's 88 00:04:48,330 --> 00:04:50,210 going to land. Like right after Kenneth Walker. 89 00:04:50,210 --> 00:04:52,810 Right, in draft. But I want to take him now in 90 00:04:52,810 --> 00:04:54,770 draft so I don't have to do this. 91 00:04:54,850 --> 00:04:57,890 Like, I want to be like. Like I I think you're still 92 00:04:57,890 --> 00:05:00,890 taking on a fair amount of risk with Javante. 93 00:05:02,570 --> 00:05:03,850 I don't. Think he'll make it back? 94 00:05:03,890 --> 00:05:04,890 But that's a fair point. He won't. 95 00:05:04,890 --> 00:05:07,690 That's a fair point. He won't, yeah, because his ADP 96 00:05:07,690 --> 00:05:10,610 at 77, we are going to pick at what, 83? 97 00:05:12,100 --> 00:05:14,300 He's he's not going to make it. Back, yeah. 98 00:05:14,580 --> 00:05:19,180 And I should say I'm looking at the ADP from both the fancy pros 99 00:05:19,180 --> 00:05:20,980 and main events. So there's a lot more in here. 100 00:05:20,980 --> 00:05:25,060 When I said his highest is 39, that might have been a fancy 101 00:05:25,060 --> 00:05:26,500 pros. It might not be an actual main 102 00:05:26,500 --> 00:05:30,180 event, But I mean the fact that he went 39th already in a draft 103 00:05:30,180 --> 00:05:32,340 is kind of wild to me. It is wild for sure. 104 00:05:33,430 --> 00:05:34,750 So. Go ahead, Pete, with the wide. 105 00:05:34,830 --> 00:05:37,390 Receivers, So I was going to say the four wide receivers that 106 00:05:37,390 --> 00:05:40,230 look interesting to me and I think again because this tier is 107 00:05:40,230 --> 00:05:42,790 relatively flat, I do think you could go a little deeper if we 108 00:05:42,790 --> 00:05:45,350 had like our guys got. But the ones who stand out to me 109 00:05:45,350 --> 00:05:48,070 are DJ Moore, Deontay Johnson, Mike Williams and Brandon. 110 00:05:48,070 --> 00:05:51,630 And I you like those four guys would be the ones I think would 111 00:05:51,630 --> 00:05:53,110 really be in the conversation here. 112 00:05:53,110 --> 00:05:55,110 Is there any other name? And again, I'm talking 113 00:05:55,110 --> 00:05:57,150 specifically at this pic, not saying we couldn't take two of 114 00:05:57,150 --> 00:05:59,870 these guys or dip into another one, but for these, pick this 115 00:05:59,870 --> 00:06:01,310 pic, that's what jumps out to me. 116 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:07,120 I agree. You and yeah, I won't even bring 117 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,320 up cammakers. All right, fine Cammakers is 118 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,560 long gone. I've won. 119 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:14,360 Yeah. No, that's what I'm saying. 120 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,840 Like the running backs are. It's Dobbins. 121 00:06:16,840 --> 00:06:18,600 Then you're Sanders. Madison Rashad White. 122 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:19,600 Damian Pierce. James Connor. 123 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,760 DeAndre Swift. Like the running backs are wiped 124 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:23,760 here. Got it. 125 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,040 Based on like value pocket of the board, you know. 126 00:06:27,840 --> 00:06:30,320 Yeah I mean so I'm I'm definitely, I mean obviously I'm 127 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,720 fine to just piss yellow and I think we can go wide receiver, 128 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,200 wide receiver here. The the, the reason I'm sort of 129 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,640 almost trying to pigeonhole a conversation about running backs 130 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:39,720 and and and Pete you make a great point about just this 131 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:41,240 pick. I was, I was sort of thinking of 132 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,600 the two picks together, but is the conversation that we had 133 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:48,400 about running back targets anti then targets hitting in the same 134 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:49,970 range? One of the things we talked 135 00:06:49,970 --> 00:06:52,810 about to pivot off of that was to potentially take a Justin 136 00:06:52,810 --> 00:06:54,850 Herbert or Justin Fields at this 5-6 turn. 137 00:06:55,090 --> 00:06:57,210 They go in the three picks right before us here. 138 00:06:57,210 --> 00:06:59,490 So we don't actually have a quarterback option either. 139 00:06:59,690 --> 00:07:02,250 We don't have a path to an elite quarterback necessarily. 140 00:07:02,610 --> 00:07:05,450 We don't have a path to an elite tight end at this point. 141 00:07:05,890 --> 00:07:08,570 And so now it starts to be like, how are we gonna have to hit all 142 00:07:08,570 --> 00:07:11,410 this stuff in the 89101112 range? 143 00:07:11,890 --> 00:07:14,530 How do you feel in and feel comfortable at the end? 144 00:07:14,610 --> 00:07:16,770 I think tight end gets pushed down and we can play tight and 145 00:07:16,770 --> 00:07:18,370 late and that is one thing we like to do, yeah. 146 00:07:19,020 --> 00:07:21,980 I think I I actually feel much more comfortable with the sort 147 00:07:21,980 --> 00:07:25,540 of the triple punt that we're potentially doing because I 148 00:07:25,540 --> 00:07:29,340 think we can layer it where look, I mean you guys are both 149 00:07:29,340 --> 00:07:32,260 really into some of these late quarterbacks that I'm not so 150 00:07:32,260 --> 00:07:36,100 into it in best ball like Sam Howell, but I think Sam Howell 151 00:07:36,380 --> 00:07:38,180 is a pretty interesting main event pick. 152 00:07:38,540 --> 00:07:41,220 We can cut him if he's, if he's bench like and I think he'll be 153 00:07:41,220 --> 00:07:44,340 fun regardless of how the season plays out. 154 00:07:45,060 --> 00:07:46,940 And you know. Boy, that now you're speaking by 155 00:07:46,940 --> 00:07:48,460 luggage. We're looking at Sam Howe on the 156 00:07:48,460 --> 00:07:49,460 fifth round. I'd be. 157 00:07:57,860 --> 00:07:51,340 Who cares? I'd be happy to to to go with 158 00:07:51,340 --> 00:07:54,940 the how not you wouldn't be our only guy but like you know he 159 00:07:54,940 --> 00:07:59,860 provides upside the job. I love you guys talking about 160 00:07:59,860 --> 00:08:02,580 the guy we need to take when the one person who's for sure 161 00:08:02,580 --> 00:08:04,980 listening to this that's in our draft is just selected. 162 00:08:04,980 --> 00:08:06,660 Terry Mclaurin, you guys are so bad at this. 163 00:08:07,860 --> 00:08:10,180 All right, well, you know, maybe I'm not bad at it. 164 00:08:10,180 --> 00:08:11,580 Maybe I'm really fucking good at it. 165 00:08:11,660 --> 00:08:15,290 Everything. Go on out. 166 00:08:15,970 --> 00:08:18,130 No. So yeah, let's stay focused here 167 00:08:18,130 --> 00:08:20,010 though. No, because I do. 168 00:08:20,050 --> 00:08:21,330 We have quarterback options late. 169 00:08:21,330 --> 00:08:22,690 I'm not panicked about quarterback. 170 00:08:22,690 --> 00:08:26,690 I think it is more the thing Ben saying the 0 RB in tight end 171 00:08:26,730 --> 00:08:28,050 targets. Conversion tight end, right? 172 00:08:28,050 --> 00:08:29,930 Tight end, you have plenty of tight ends. 173 00:08:30,090 --> 00:08:32,690 A full tight end punt is also pretty interesting. 174 00:08:33,049 --> 00:08:35,289 Yeah. So the thing that we would need 175 00:08:35,289 --> 00:08:39,090 to prioritize is running back in those in that. 176 00:08:39,549 --> 00:08:42,070 In that pocket, right in that kind of 0 running back pocket, 177 00:08:42,070 --> 00:08:43,630 that's what we could. When does that start? 178 00:08:43,630 --> 00:08:46,830 Like I would argue it maybe should start at this turn with 179 00:08:46,830 --> 00:08:49,070 an anchor, even if it is Dobbin somebody that we're a little 180 00:08:49,070 --> 00:08:51,790 concerned about. I I understand that we can wait, 181 00:08:52,230 --> 00:08:56,270 but like if if you're doing a full 0 RB running back room, 182 00:08:56,270 --> 00:08:58,870 that's a legit 0 RB running back room that doesn't have one of 183 00:08:58,870 --> 00:09:03,060 these deads on the anchor types. Like you're you're sacrificing 184 00:09:03,060 --> 00:09:05,860 projected points there. The late quarterback, late tight 185 00:09:05,860 --> 00:09:07,940 end is also viable. I'm with you on all that, but 186 00:09:07,940 --> 00:09:10,100 we're definitely sacrificing projected points at both of 187 00:09:10,100 --> 00:09:13,100 those spots as well. It does become dicey, I think. 188 00:09:13,790 --> 00:09:17,670 We can layer it, but our team's not going to look great at the 189 00:09:17,710 --> 00:09:20,590 end. I mean to me though, like we we 190 00:09:20,590 --> 00:09:22,390 already made those decisions, right? 191 00:09:22,390 --> 00:09:25,230 Like we passed on Mark Andrews, we packed on Kyle Pitts and we 192 00:09:25,230 --> 00:09:28,630 basically said we are not going to reach to get the structure we 193 00:09:28,630 --> 00:09:31,310 want, that we're going to take the best possible players on the 194 00:09:31,310 --> 00:09:34,470 board knowing we do feel confident we can piece together 195 00:09:34,470 --> 00:09:36,990 those other positions. To me, the wide receivers are so 196 00:09:36,990 --> 00:09:40,280 clearly the best picks on the board right now that I don't 197 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:42,760 even I see zero opportunity cost to it. 198 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,800 I think we're making a mistake if we if we make a big reach for 199 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:50,920 for structure at this point. It would be the fix I I honestly 200 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:52,480 think so. Interesting. 201 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,280 Dobbins is The only exception. But yeah, I think we're, I think 202 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,120 we're capitulating if. I I agree with your point on 203 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,680 Dobbins versus javante, and Dobbins is the one that I'm 204 00:10:00,680 --> 00:10:02,960 fixating on at this point. As we talk about this, his ADP 205 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,000 is not does not say that he's a REACH, but I understand not 206 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:07,600 wanting to take him ahead of his ADP. 207 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,800 At the current moment where you know we should probably. 208 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:14,400 Be Here's the other thing about it for me is that I think, like, 209 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,960 you know, when I'm looking at my best ball drafts and stuff, I'm 210 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,080 taking DJ Moore ahead of Dobbins without thinking. 211 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,240 I'm taking Mike Williams ahead of Dobbins without thinking. 212 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:24,600 I'm generally taking Deonte Johnson and Brandon and Yuk 213 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:28,560 ahead of him without thinking. So those four guys all being 214 00:10:28,560 --> 00:10:31,800 here and knowing that we're going to get two of them make me 215 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:33,330 also feel like. I am too. 216 00:10:33,610 --> 00:10:35,730 But are you still when you start 4 receivers? 217 00:10:35,730 --> 00:10:37,690 I think that's when I actually consider taking Dobbins. 218 00:10:37,690 --> 00:10:39,010 Well, in best Ball, I wouldn't. Right? 219 00:10:39,010 --> 00:10:40,890 In Best Ball, I wouldn't. But this isn't Best ball. 220 00:10:41,290 --> 00:10:46,250 Yeah, we don't need to be as worried about getting those 221 00:10:46,250 --> 00:10:49,610 early season points sliding into our lineup at running back. 222 00:10:49,610 --> 00:10:52,690 We're trying to hit. We're trying to hit four 223 00:10:52,690 --> 00:10:55,290 absolute stud wide receivers. We're locking into our lineup 224 00:10:55,290 --> 00:10:58,650 every week, so sure. Yeah, going a little harder at 225 00:10:58,650 --> 00:11:01,250 the position I think makes actually makes sense, so I don't 226 00:11:01,250 --> 00:11:03,890 mind it. The the the last thing and we we 227 00:11:03,890 --> 00:11:06,330 can get to the receiver debate, but the last thing is we have 228 00:11:06,330 --> 00:11:08,650 already talked about the 7-8 looking great for receiver. 229 00:11:08,650 --> 00:11:11,610 Are you guys prepared to start eight straight receivers or do 230 00:11:11,610 --> 00:11:13,650 you think 7-8 will be a? Better than I think. 231 00:11:14,050 --> 00:11:18,330 I think I mean at running back, right, we could be looking at 232 00:11:18,450 --> 00:11:24,210 some you know pick 84 there is a pocket of running back. 233 00:11:24,210 --> 00:11:27,250 So I think would be OK We probably need. 234 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,280 Probably need to get lucky with like a faller or right or 235 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,120 someone right at ADP. But if you just look in the 236 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:38,600 applet I think we'd be all right with with our first running back 237 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:42,320 at like the 802 right? Cuz I think you are gonna be 238 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,400 then in the like and I'm hesitant. 239 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,880 I honestly am kind of hesitant to toss talk names out but I do 240 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:53,430 think that there's gonna be names we like there because my 241 00:11:53,430 --> 00:11:55,870 my whole thought too has been even with like underdog that a 242 00:11:55,870 --> 00:11:58,750 lot of the running backs in 910 aren't that different from like 243 00:11:58,750 --> 00:12:03,550 the six sevens right now too some of those like secondary 244 00:12:03,590 --> 00:12:06,190 backs. So, but I to your point, Ben, I 245 00:12:06,190 --> 00:12:09,310 think I'm completely open to both configurations there of 246 00:12:09,310 --> 00:12:12,110 like if we had a huge follower, we loved that wide receiver. 247 00:12:12,110 --> 00:12:16,270 Like if we do start, what would it be, 8 wide receivers? 248 00:12:16,270 --> 00:12:19,110 I honestly would be fine with that. 249 00:12:19,230 --> 00:12:21,910 But I'm also completely open to the fact we might really like a 250 00:12:21,910 --> 00:12:23,470 running back or tight end in that range. 251 00:12:26,830 --> 00:12:29,790 So let's talk to wide receivers, cuz I do think you can make 252 00:12:29,790 --> 00:12:31,710 interesting cases for all four of them. 253 00:12:31,710 --> 00:12:33,710 They're different players, different team environments, 254 00:12:33,710 --> 00:12:36,590 they win in different ways. I mean the one that jumps out to 255 00:12:36,590 --> 00:12:41,710 me is Brandon Ayuk and I know that maybe they're like super 256 00:12:41,710 --> 00:12:44,430 sealing outcomes with Debo already on the team aren't like 257 00:12:44,430 --> 00:12:49,030 perfectly correlated, but we're making a bet on that offense. 258 00:12:49,110 --> 00:12:51,870 I do think I you can Debo are used in different enough ways 259 00:12:51,870 --> 00:12:55,230 that it can work and if one of them does have the true breakout 260 00:12:55,230 --> 00:12:57,790 like you're going to be very, very happy to have that. 261 00:12:57,790 --> 00:13:00,830 And in addition to that if you have a Kittle or CMC injury like 262 00:13:00,830 --> 00:13:04,110 then you have like a full blast off consolidated scenario. 263 00:13:04,470 --> 00:13:06,390 But I I do like all of these guys. 264 00:13:06,390 --> 00:13:09,390 Mike Williams is the one I'm like slightly down on, but I'm 265 00:13:09,510 --> 00:13:11,870 curious like if you guys have a lien on your favorite of those 266 00:13:11,870 --> 00:13:15,510 four? My favorite. 267 00:13:15,510 --> 00:13:17,430 I was gonna let you go first. Go ahead. 268 00:13:17,910 --> 00:13:22,150 My favorite is DJ Moore. You know, especially like when 269 00:13:22,150 --> 00:13:25,070 you but. He's the one that I was gonna 270 00:13:25,070 --> 00:13:28,710 say I want least, so I just think that so but. 271 00:13:30,350 --> 00:13:32,830 Yeah, I mean, I think when you're looking at like what 272 00:13:32,830 --> 00:13:38,510 we're trying to accomplish here, we have 4 wide receivers and. 273 00:13:39,380 --> 00:13:41,620 We're looking now for a fifth wide receiver. 274 00:13:41,620 --> 00:13:43,820 So it's like, well how are you going to start all these guys, 275 00:13:43,900 --> 00:13:45,100 right? Like that's what we always get 276 00:13:45,100 --> 00:13:50,620 the push back on DJ Moore gives us such clear paths to us 277 00:13:50,620 --> 00:13:54,060 feeling like we can start him if Justin feels take a takes a step 278 00:13:54,060 --> 00:13:57,500 forward as a passer if they're a run first but not ultra run 279 00:13:57,500 --> 00:14:01,020 heavy team. DJ Moore's got 27% target share 280 00:14:01,020 --> 00:14:03,460 or whatever. We're like locked and loaded 281 00:14:03,460 --> 00:14:06,500 like he. It's just a very easy path now. 282 00:14:06,860 --> 00:14:09,020 That might not happen. I get the some of the concerns 283 00:14:09,020 --> 00:14:12,500 about that, but he's just like, you know, we're not just like 284 00:14:12,540 --> 00:14:17,060 hoping we get lucky in that week that they, you know, the things 285 00:14:17,060 --> 00:14:19,140 kind of funnel his way. If this offense takes a step 286 00:14:19,140 --> 00:14:21,620 forward, it's going through DJ Moore. 287 00:14:23,180 --> 00:14:25,140 I just don't see it that way at all. 288 00:14:25,380 --> 00:14:27,620 It's it's interesting. I do not think it's a clear 289 00:14:27,620 --> 00:14:29,620 path. I see it as a real Gray area 290 00:14:29,620 --> 00:14:34,170 where his breakout is. Very spike week. 291 00:14:34,170 --> 00:14:35,610 Have you? Like I actually get the argument 292 00:14:35,610 --> 00:14:38,330 in best ball more I think. I think Darnell Mooney and Chase 293 00:14:38,330 --> 00:14:42,650 Claypool are both good players. I think the ways that the Bears 294 00:14:42,650 --> 00:14:46,570 offense could manifest in increased past volume could be 295 00:14:46,570 --> 00:14:48,090 unpredictable. Weekly. 296 00:14:48,090 --> 00:14:51,730 They will still have weeks like last year and so we won't feel 297 00:14:51,730 --> 00:14:54,010 comfortable playing him on a weekly basis. 298 00:14:54,330 --> 00:14:56,730 And so like, why would you draft him in a really wide receiver 299 00:14:56,730 --> 00:14:58,210 heavy room? I would want to draft him in A 300 00:14:58,210 --> 00:14:59,910 room. Where I'm locked and loaded 301 00:14:59,910 --> 00:15:03,070 starting him every week I I see that path to him being a clear 302 00:15:03,070 --> 00:15:06,430 starter as like a really narrow one. 303 00:15:06,430 --> 00:15:09,670 I do see some of the like out positive outcomes for him, but I 304 00:15:09,670 --> 00:15:13,030 think after we get like 8 games of data, it's like Oh yeah, he's 305 00:15:13,030 --> 00:15:16,550 had like 5 really good games and three like where they went super 306 00:15:16,550 --> 00:15:19,630 run heavy and looked more like the 2022 version of themselves 307 00:15:19,990 --> 00:15:22,390 and then you're like how men can we even start him. 308 00:15:22,750 --> 00:15:25,310 That was the reason I was like because we've already gone four 309 00:15:25,310 --> 00:15:28,110 straight receivers. I don't like him like I actually 310 00:15:28,110 --> 00:15:30,410 like. Deontay Johnson the most where 311 00:15:30,410 --> 00:15:33,610 I'm like, I I think he has the clear paths where if this 312 00:15:33,650 --> 00:15:35,610 passing offense takes a little bit of a step forward, we know 313 00:15:35,610 --> 00:15:36,690 the target volume is going to be there. 314 00:15:36,690 --> 00:15:39,290 If he's like, vaguely efficient, he's an easy guy. 315 00:15:39,490 --> 00:15:41,450 Just he's my least favorite. He's your. 316 00:15:41,450 --> 00:15:42,770 Least favorite? Yeah, just. 317 00:15:42,770 --> 00:15:44,650 I think because I don't think he's very good. 318 00:15:44,850 --> 00:15:49,450 I think he can earn targets and you know he'll have his like I 319 00:15:49,450 --> 00:15:51,730 kind of the argument you made like if we had a couple running 320 00:15:51,730 --> 00:15:53,650 backs and we just need a receiver that we that we're 321 00:15:53,650 --> 00:15:55,490 putting our live every week and we feel OK about. 322 00:15:55,970 --> 00:15:58,330 He fits that bill for me, but like. 323 00:15:58,850 --> 00:16:02,690 He's not, you know, he actually, I think Pickens and Friarmuth 324 00:16:02,690 --> 00:16:05,010 are much stronger target competition than Moore is 325 00:16:05,010 --> 00:16:10,090 dealing with. Yeah. 326 00:16:06,050 --> 00:16:09,010 And then you also have Kenny Pickett versus Justin Fields in 327 00:16:09,010 --> 00:16:12,330 terms of sealing. But the the offenses are way 328 00:16:12,330 --> 00:16:14,050 different. A huge part of my plan, the 329 00:16:14,050 --> 00:16:15,050 Bears still goes back. They. 330 00:16:15,050 --> 00:16:17,450 Might not be that. They might not be that different 331 00:16:17,530 --> 00:16:20,130 if the if the bears based on what? 332 00:16:20,470 --> 00:16:22,270 We have to have this conversation longer. 333 00:16:22,270 --> 00:16:25,070 We got to do a pod together because I think you are really 334 00:16:25,070 --> 00:16:28,630 under weighting the 2022 football season. 335 00:16:28,630 --> 00:16:30,190 The ways that cover twos happened. 336 00:16:30,430 --> 00:16:31,870 The ways that teams answered with Russian. 337 00:16:32,110 --> 00:16:34,710 The mayor's going to be dealing with the ton of cover two. 338 00:16:35,350 --> 00:16:37,790 Like they're not trying to. They're not trying to take away. 339 00:16:38,430 --> 00:16:40,950 Yeah, like. But they, like, they're same 340 00:16:40,950 --> 00:16:44,710 coaching staff, made decisions to go really, really run heavy 341 00:16:44,710 --> 00:16:47,030 as a way to combat that they could throw more. 342 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,440 But like I ended. Up they were combatting over 343 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:52,080 too. They were combating, not trying 344 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:56,040 to get embarrassed. They were down like 2 scores and 345 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:56,960 running the shit out of the ball. 346 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:01,560 They were. That's a lot of certainty, I 347 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:03,520 think, for how stark their trends were. 348 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:07,839 I wind up really aligned with Leonie on this. 349 00:17:07,839 --> 00:17:09,839 Who was talking as well about like, how bad can this getting 350 00:17:09,839 --> 00:17:11,079 get? Super, super bad. 351 00:17:11,700 --> 00:17:14,700 I I my range of outcomes for their passing even like taking a 352 00:17:14,700 --> 00:17:17,859 step forward is like it's really, really hard for me to 353 00:17:17,859 --> 00:17:21,780 see how they get anywhere near. Like Pittsburgh's pass offense 354 00:17:21,780 --> 00:17:24,060 has been a a a positive PROE team. 355 00:17:24,060 --> 00:17:26,020 Like every year I know Pickett's a different quarterback than 356 00:17:26,020 --> 00:17:28,180 what they have with Rosberger but they still have like Matt 357 00:17:28,180 --> 00:17:31,020 Canada in place and everything. Like there's pass to them being. 358 00:17:31,620 --> 00:17:33,020 I mean, it might. What? 359 00:17:33,140 --> 00:17:37,220 It's his third year, right? Yeah, but they've been, they've 360 00:17:37,220 --> 00:17:40,180 been a positive PRO team the last couple of years. 361 00:17:40,950 --> 00:17:42,430 Yeah. Let's talk about they're talking 362 00:17:42,430 --> 00:17:44,270 about pound on the rock, they're they're getting a lot of lip 363 00:17:44,270 --> 00:17:45,830 service to pound on the rock, so. 364 00:17:46,310 --> 00:17:48,830 They're actually they were actually in a negative PM last 365 00:17:48,830 --> 00:17:52,830 year Bet I agree completely with like the downside risk to DJ 366 00:17:52,830 --> 00:17:56,510 more like I I'm not like it could be very bad but I do you 367 00:17:56,510 --> 00:18:00,030 agree that he has a a higher range of tippity top outcomes 368 00:18:00,070 --> 00:18:03,470 than Deontay Johnson like when the things do align you don't 369 00:18:03,550 --> 00:18:06,990 because I I just there's no way Deontay Johnson as a player when 370 00:18:07,030 --> 00:18:10,310 everything comes together can do more with that opportunity than 371 00:18:10,310 --> 00:18:12,910 DJ more like DJ. More well the opportunities that 372 00:18:13,110 --> 00:18:15,830 Deonte. It's the opportunity close, the 373 00:18:15,830 --> 00:18:17,790 opportunities that can meet the perfect situation. 374 00:18:19,030 --> 00:18:21,350 I don't think there's a scenario where he can get 150 targets 375 00:18:21,350 --> 00:18:23,830 with the Bears and Deonte Johnson does that every year. 376 00:18:23,830 --> 00:18:26,230 So it is like the. Opportunity isn't going to be 377 00:18:26,230 --> 00:18:28,950 the same. Like, I think it's it's a faulty 378 00:18:28,950 --> 00:18:32,830 argument to to discuss Deonte Johnson and DJ Moore on similar 379 00:18:32,830 --> 00:18:35,630 Target volume. Like Deonte Johnson's Target 380 00:18:35,630 --> 00:18:37,750 floor over the last three or four years is a number that I 381 00:18:37,750 --> 00:18:39,230 don't think DJ Moore can even reach. 382 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,640 So like yes, I think on a per target basis DJ Moore is a 383 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:44,800 better football player and would do way more with the volume. 384 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,720 But in terms of their actual tippity, top outcomes for the 385 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:52,440 two different players, I don't I I I think Deonte has to do a lot 386 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:56,080 less per target because there is a meaningful gap he'll. 387 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:58,920 Take you up on that. What do you mean? 388 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:00,800 He'll take a lot less per target. 389 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,040 Oh yeah, yeah, I think that's. His calling partner? 390 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,120 Yeah, I know for sure. But like, that's The thing is 391 00:19:07,120 --> 00:19:09,560 like. That doesn't feel that hard to 392 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,040 me for him to finally just have an efficient season. 393 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:13,640 But maybe it is that hard for him. 394 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:14,920 I I get it. Like I agree. 395 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:19,120 I I don't love the talent. But I, I, I mean the last three 396 00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:25,520 years, 144 targets, 169 targets, 147 targets for for any Bears 397 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:27,280 receiver. And this is even not I think 398 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:28,920 Mooney and Claypole are actually decent players. 399 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:32,160 But this is, you know, saying that he really consolidates for 400 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:35,070 any Bears receiver to get. Anywhere near that I think would 401 00:19:35,070 --> 00:19:36,910 be really difficult. They'd have to take a huge step 402 00:19:36,910 --> 00:19:39,790 forward and the volume have to be really consolidated last 403 00:19:39,790 --> 00:19:41,110 year. They're, they're target leaders 404 00:19:41,110 --> 00:19:45,630 and I understand their volume is going to come up 69614140. 405 00:19:45,630 --> 00:19:49,350 That's their top four target. 69 Cole Comet led their team in 406 00:19:49,350 --> 00:19:52,230 targets last year. I mean, if DJ Morgan's like 110 407 00:19:52,230 --> 00:19:56,390 targets this year, that's I mean he's consolidated volume and 408 00:19:56,390 --> 00:19:58,150 they've probably taken a step forward in volume. 409 00:19:58,510 --> 00:20:01,470 I'm projecting him for 1:15. I'm projecting him very, I think 410 00:20:01,470 --> 00:20:04,120 pretty aggressively, but. I don't think he can get 411 00:20:04,120 --> 00:20:08,560 anywhere near like I don't. I don't see how he gets to 140 412 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,280 targets. I just the math does not make 413 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,560 any sense. It would be such a big step 414 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,040 forward. But maybe I'm maybe I'm 415 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,440 undervaluing. The This is why I'm on IUK, 416 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,760 because Iyuk I think he, I think is is talented. 417 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,840 We like the offense. We've made a bet on that. 418 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:28,640 Like to me he kind of checks a little bit of the boxes that. 419 00:20:28,990 --> 00:20:31,710 DJ Moore and Deontay Johnson both don't check on like 420 00:20:31,710 --> 00:20:34,030 opposite ends. Like he kind of middles what I 421 00:20:34,030 --> 00:20:35,670 think we're we're looking for here. 422 00:20:37,550 --> 00:20:38,990 What do you? Think I don't love that we have 423 00:20:38,990 --> 00:20:40,350 him in Debo. I will say. 424 00:20:40,350 --> 00:20:43,750 I mean I think, yeah, like when imagining the three-week Sprint, 425 00:20:43,830 --> 00:20:46,950 it's like I get what you're saying about maybe Kittle goes 426 00:20:46,950 --> 00:20:49,590 down or something, but otherwise it's like it does feel like 427 00:20:49,590 --> 00:20:53,270 we're sort of just trying to hit a double with it. 428 00:20:54,310 --> 00:20:57,750 Mike Williams is also tough because I like him in best ball. 429 00:20:58,290 --> 00:21:01,810 I think he's a bit underrated. I think he gets he's not a 430 00:21:01,810 --> 00:21:05,290 complete player and he got overrated for a number of years 431 00:21:05,290 --> 00:21:07,810 I think. And so we kind of, I think maybe 432 00:21:07,810 --> 00:21:09,250 have a little bit of a bias against him. 433 00:21:09,970 --> 00:21:14,170 But Quinton Johnston could be emerging down the stretch and 434 00:21:14,410 --> 00:21:17,930 he's another guy who just like is is the Sprint, you know, 435 00:21:17,930 --> 00:21:20,650 thinking through the Sprint. He's a little bit tougher but. 436 00:21:20,730 --> 00:21:23,250 Mike Williams is my least favorite of all the guys we 437 00:21:23,250 --> 00:21:25,170 discussed. I I get that, yeah. 438 00:21:26,650 --> 00:21:30,790 I mean IUK is. Apparently, like looking amazing 439 00:21:30,990 --> 00:21:32,510 in training camp for what that's worth. 440 00:21:32,510 --> 00:21:36,350 And you know could could maybe take a step forward. 441 00:21:36,350 --> 00:21:40,350 I think is a pretty good player and the offense could be scoring 442 00:21:40,350 --> 00:21:46,310 a ton of points and like my bowl case for the Bears would still 443 00:21:46,310 --> 00:21:50,110 have them probably passing less than the 49ers did last year. 444 00:21:50,110 --> 00:21:53,990 Like my my thing is like could they get to 500 passing attempts 445 00:21:53,990 --> 00:21:57,030 which would put them at 28th in the league last year but. 446 00:21:58,810 --> 00:22:00,650 Yeah, I mean that it might be tough for them to do that cuz 447 00:22:00,650 --> 00:22:04,770 they only had 377 last year. They're extremely, extremely run 448 00:22:05,490 --> 00:22:06,850 out. And the biggest thing about it 449 00:22:06,850 --> 00:22:09,290 for me with fields, I do think it takes a step forward as a 450 00:22:09,290 --> 00:22:13,370 player, but it's both of the elements that are dropbacks that 451 00:22:13,370 --> 00:22:15,410 don't become pass attempts. So it's not just they're called 452 00:22:15,410 --> 00:22:16,610 pass, right? But it's also that when they 453 00:22:16,610 --> 00:22:19,010 call passes, he takes sacks at a really high rate. 454 00:22:19,010 --> 00:22:22,050 He scrambles at a really high rate, league high in both. 455 00:22:22,610 --> 00:22:24,890 So when you combine the percentage of dropbacks that 456 00:22:24,890 --> 00:22:28,140 don't become pass attempts, it's way above the league high. 457 00:22:28,180 --> 00:22:30,740 And even if he does a better job of getting rid of the ball early 458 00:22:31,780 --> 00:22:32,980 like it's. Still going to the Ravens. 459 00:22:33,300 --> 00:22:36,940 The Ravens last year had 488 passing attempts, and that was 460 00:22:36,940 --> 00:22:39,260 with an incomplete season from Lamar Jackson. 461 00:22:39,780 --> 00:22:44,020 So, like, I am not being like, Oh my God, they're gonna, 462 00:22:44,020 --> 00:22:45,460 they're gonna Chuck it. They're gonna Chuck it. 463 00:22:45,460 --> 00:22:49,220 When I say we could see a huge regression towards passing 464 00:22:49,220 --> 00:22:52,380 attempts, like 100 more passing attempts could just like be 465 00:22:52,660 --> 00:22:54,940 available here relative to last year. 466 00:22:55,610 --> 00:22:58,490 I mean that's a huge, so you know if he had a 30% target 467 00:22:58,490 --> 00:23:02,970 share on 488 passing attempts that's 400 or sorry, that's 146 468 00:23:02,970 --> 00:23:07,170 targets to your point, it's still not 150 targets, but and 469 00:23:07,170 --> 00:23:11,610 30% is a really high target share by like a 35% target share 470 00:23:11,610 --> 00:23:15,610 of 488 to 122. So yeah, I mean, you're 471 00:23:15,610 --> 00:23:18,450 definitely looking at a lower targeted player, but is he 472 00:23:18,450 --> 00:23:21,330 getting, you know, some of the deep shots? 473 00:23:21,370 --> 00:23:25,280 Is he getting, you know? The first reads constantly in 474 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,440 the red zone. That's so I would argue that the 475 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,440 market the market's with. Yeah, the market's with me on 476 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,160 this too, though, where there was that conversation, Fields 477 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,480 did the little interview where he said he was gonna become the 478 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,120 first Paris quarterback to throw for 4000 yards, which is not a 479 00:23:40,120 --> 00:23:43,600 huge number in a 17 game season. I'm projecting Patrick from my 480 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,930 home to throw for over 5000, which is, you know, a lofty 481 00:23:46,930 --> 00:23:50,170 projection. I have 22 quarterbacks projected 482 00:23:50,170 --> 00:23:51,890 for 4000 passing yards this year. 483 00:23:51,930 --> 00:23:54,250 I'm assuming health for each. It's not going to be 22 in a 484 00:23:54,250 --> 00:23:56,370 given season. But I have fields. 485 00:23:56,490 --> 00:23:58,290 I have fields. Dropbacks coming way up. 486 00:23:58,290 --> 00:24:00,010 But what I'm talking about is the percentage of dropbacks 487 00:24:00,010 --> 00:24:02,130 become pass attempts. I also have that percentage 488 00:24:02,130 --> 00:24:04,130 coming down. So more of his dropbacks become 489 00:24:04,130 --> 00:24:07,690 pass attempts, but I get him up to 470 pass attempts in that. 490 00:24:07,690 --> 00:24:10,900 You know that projection I project about 3500 passing 491 00:24:10,900 --> 00:24:12,780 yards. But the point I'm making is when 492 00:24:12,780 --> 00:24:16,060 I saw that quote somebody commented I, if I'm not mistaken 493 00:24:16,060 --> 00:24:19,900 that you can get in the prop market like I think close to 494 00:24:19,900 --> 00:24:22,940 12:50 on Justin Fields to throw for 4000 yards. 495 00:24:23,300 --> 00:24:26,340 That's how like if if you guys are this confident in his 496 00:24:26,340 --> 00:24:29,460 betting, you guys should go bet his his 4000 yard pass on his 497 00:24:29,460 --> 00:24:32,980 passing coming forward, go bet his 4000 yard passing numbers. 498 00:24:33,300 --> 00:24:35,820 And the other issue I would say with where we're at with DJ 499 00:24:35,820 --> 00:24:37,660 Moore is Fields came off the board. 500 00:24:38,020 --> 00:24:39,740 If you guys could convince me that we could get Fields and 501 00:24:39,740 --> 00:24:43,700 more together at this turn like. If I know now deeds rewards, 502 00:24:43,700 --> 00:24:45,700 that's. You'll just a hit field does a 503 00:24:45,700 --> 00:24:47,580 smash if you're right about DJ more. 504 00:24:47,580 --> 00:24:49,580 I want to take them together. If you guys are right about 505 00:24:49,580 --> 00:24:51,620 that, I love. Taking them together, yeah. 506 00:24:52,060 --> 00:24:54,340 That is a bummer. Fields was the one that killed 507 00:24:54,340 --> 00:24:57,660 me when it got peeled off because I thought with that 508 00:24:57,660 --> 00:24:59,780 structure and just knowing we were gonna like the wide 509 00:24:59,780 --> 00:25:03,050 receivers, having one. Elite onesie that we actually 510 00:25:03,050 --> 00:25:06,530 felt was a good ADP value in a Smash, So that was the biggest 511 00:25:06,530 --> 00:25:08,330 gut punch of the whole draft for me. 512 00:25:08,570 --> 00:25:11,850 But like, so where are we? Do you have concerns about 513 00:25:11,850 --> 00:25:13,730 taking? Yeah, my question is just do you 514 00:25:13,730 --> 00:25:16,810 guys have concerns about taking more solo without fields? 515 00:25:16,810 --> 00:25:19,050 Cuz I just feel like you're losing to a field's mode draft. 516 00:25:19,050 --> 00:25:20,610 I still. They're gonna be stacked a lot. 517 00:25:21,390 --> 00:25:22,390 I I do. I do. 518 00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:24,830 I do get that. I mean, my thing that I'm more 519 00:25:24,830 --> 00:25:27,030 thinking through is kind of like what Pat was saying of like, who 520 00:25:27,030 --> 00:25:30,270 do we feel really good when things hit right, of sticking 521 00:25:30,270 --> 00:25:32,590 them in our starting lineup? Like how does this guy get in 522 00:25:32,590 --> 00:25:34,950 our starting lineup over these four guys? 523 00:25:35,350 --> 00:25:39,910 And I just think I feel better about the hit scenarios where 524 00:25:39,910 --> 00:25:43,420 the Bears do. Pick up and DJ Moore has the 525 00:25:43,420 --> 00:25:44,860 best quarterback he's ever played with. 526 00:25:44,860 --> 00:25:48,060 Like, I do think through those ceiling scenarios as being very 527 00:25:48,060 --> 00:25:50,740 exciting. But again, my favorite isn't DJ 528 00:25:50,740 --> 00:25:52,220 Moore. I I think Brandon Iuk is the 529 00:25:52,220 --> 00:25:55,260 best pick here. I have a hard time with IUK too, 530 00:25:55,260 --> 00:25:57,620 and I I think I agree with Pat and after he laid that out, 531 00:25:57,620 --> 00:26:00,860 having him in Samuel, I think you wind up sort of questioning 532 00:26:00,860 --> 00:26:03,380 which of those two you play. Like, if Iuke's a hit, it just 533 00:26:03,380 --> 00:26:05,660 makes it really hard to know which of the San Fran receivers 534 00:26:05,660 --> 00:26:06,780 you're playing. Kind of. 535 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,400 So I mean, I and I I agree. I I think you can win both ways. 536 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,000 The 49ers are just utterly dominant, and you want to be 537 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,400 starting. Plausible outcome or? 538 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,640 Or there is an injury to any one of those guys, CMC Kittle or one 539 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,920 of those who we would take and you are just windmilling it in 540 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:25,560 on the other one every single week. 541 00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:33,000 True. Yeah I I mean I you is 542 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,360 definitely intriguing to me He's he's got. 543 00:26:38,180 --> 00:26:41,660 The fact that Purdy is now looking like pretty locked in as 544 00:26:41,660 --> 00:26:45,180 the starter, I think it's very good for passing volume there. 545 00:26:47,060 --> 00:26:54,300 Purdy was also good last year. So yeah, I I think like DJ Moore 546 00:26:54,300 --> 00:26:58,260 is my favorite, but I I think Iuke would be and in some ways 547 00:26:58,260 --> 00:27:00,020 Mike Williams would be my next guy. 548 00:27:00,020 --> 00:27:03,220 At least he's he's close with Iuke because. 549 00:27:03,970 --> 00:27:05,770 I just get to bet on the Chargers and the chart. 550 00:27:05,770 --> 00:27:07,610 Maybe the Chargers are putting up a ton of points. 551 00:27:07,690 --> 00:27:10,730 It's a very similar case to why you actually like maybe the 552 00:27:10,730 --> 00:27:14,690 Chargers are just you just want pieces of that offense and maybe 553 00:27:14,690 --> 00:27:18,290 Keenan's banged up and Mike Williams got an awesome target 554 00:27:18,290 --> 00:27:21,330 share down the stretch and we haven't already bet on a 555 00:27:21,330 --> 00:27:24,690 different piece of the offense. So he's someone I think we 556 00:27:24,690 --> 00:27:27,850 should at least be open minded about when he comes back next 557 00:27:27,850 --> 00:27:29,870 round. And again, not that it couldn't 558 00:27:29,870 --> 00:27:32,230 work out, but almost same with your guys's concerns about you 559 00:27:32,230 --> 00:27:33,950 with Debo. My concerns of having our 560 00:27:33,950 --> 00:27:36,790 back-to-back picks if DK Metcalf, Mike Williams, two guys 561 00:27:36,830 --> 00:27:41,070 I am terrified are gonna get dusted by younger, more talented 562 00:27:41,070 --> 00:27:43,670 teammates down the stretch is like very, very scary to me. 563 00:27:43,790 --> 00:27:47,230 And that's not even to speak of the other talented veteran on 564 00:27:47,230 --> 00:27:49,710 their teams that they have to compete with in Tyler Lockett 565 00:27:49,910 --> 00:27:51,710 and Kenan. That's a very compelling case. 566 00:27:52,270 --> 00:27:56,710 I do think the Mike Williams ceiling case if the charges are 567 00:27:56,710 --> 00:28:00,340 just a really interesting pass game, is probably strong. 568 00:28:00,340 --> 00:28:01,860 But I'm I'm pretty out on Williams too. 569 00:28:02,180 --> 00:28:04,860 I want to be clear. I've argued pretty vehemently in 570 00:28:04,860 --> 00:28:08,740 this pod, but I do think these are reasonably close calls and 571 00:28:08,740 --> 00:28:10,900 I'm like comfortable being outvoted on this. 572 00:28:10,900 --> 00:28:13,100 Like I don't, I don't. I'm not like pounding the table. 573 00:28:13,100 --> 00:28:15,940 But when you do ask that question of who do I think in a 574 00:28:15,940 --> 00:28:19,140 in a ceiling outcome or a hit outcome, I feel most comfortable 575 00:28:19,140 --> 00:28:22,700 putting in our starting lineup. Like to me just opinion. 576 00:28:22,940 --> 00:28:26,180 It's easily Deontay Johnson because the target volume is 577 00:28:26,180 --> 00:28:28,880 there and all we have to do is get a passing game. 578 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,400 We're like Kenny Pickett's OK and like there's a modicum of 579 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,480 efficiency in the passing game. George Pickens is good, I think, 580 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,160 but didn't earn volume at a huge rate last year. 581 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,280 I don't think there's a Alan Robinson's going to be running a 582 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,400 lot of rounds for this team. He's going to do probably 583 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,800 ultimately nothing. I think there are a lot of pass 584 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,360 that Deonte Johnson being the clear #1 again and getting a lot 585 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,440 of target volume and then it's just OK if Pickett's good enough 586 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,840 to kind of help Deonce from an efficiency standpoint. 587 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:59,070 We finally get that year where OK he doesn't have a sub seven 588 00:28:59,070 --> 00:29:02,670 yards per target like that's not like hard to envision. 589 00:29:02,830 --> 00:29:06,510 So that's just like where I'm at to that question you you laid 590 00:29:06,510 --> 00:29:09,150 that question out and said for you I I believe you said for you 591 00:29:09,150 --> 00:29:12,830 it's DJ more for me I my answer is just very different on that 592 00:29:12,830 --> 00:29:14,910 but I'm comfortable that you I'm comfortable with more if you 593 00:29:14,910 --> 00:29:17,030 guys like it. I don't love more without fields 594 00:29:17,110 --> 00:29:18,990 is one of the biggest parts because I think if you are 595 00:29:18,990 --> 00:29:21,950 betting on those ceiling outcomes you probably fields is 596 00:29:21,950 --> 00:29:25,070 the bigger hit then than more I in my opinion. 597 00:29:27,580 --> 00:29:30,700 Yeah, I mean they they're both big hits but I I see what you're 598 00:29:30,700 --> 00:29:32,340 saying. I mean I would love to to be 599 00:29:32,340 --> 00:29:35,900 able to go fields more but Rich rebar had a really good take. 600 00:29:37,260 --> 00:29:41,580 Well I I enjoyed the take a lot. He was it was on at the NBC pod, 601 00:29:41,580 --> 00:29:44,140 vertebral pod. He was just kind of talking 602 00:29:44,140 --> 00:29:48,060 about Deonte Johnson as sort of just being one of these not big 603 00:29:48,060 --> 00:29:50,740 hit players and and had a number of advanced stats on. 604 00:29:51,410 --> 00:29:52,850 That's how I felt about Cooper Cup. 605 00:29:52,890 --> 00:29:55,650 For the record, the year the Cooper Cup went went nuclear. 606 00:29:55,730 --> 00:29:58,850 That's how I felt about him. Yeah, yeah. 607 00:29:59,090 --> 00:30:01,650 I mean that's like in some ways a fair cop, right? 608 00:30:01,650 --> 00:30:04,810 Like he's, he's a target earner. But we're like, yeah, but not 609 00:30:04,810 --> 00:30:06,930 enough. And then he's like it is enough. 610 00:30:07,490 --> 00:30:11,050 It doesn't take a lot from when you when you get 140 targets it 611 00:30:11,050 --> 00:30:13,210 doesn't. I mean for cop it took a lot to 612 00:30:13,210 --> 00:30:14,850 get to where he was. I don't think Jeff is going to 613 00:30:14,850 --> 00:30:16,730 do. That, yeah, I think you could. 614 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,760 You could agree. I mean like the hope, right? 615 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,320 Just based on how we're drafting them a J. 616 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,600 Brown CD Lamb anchors fixtures of the lineup. 617 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,600 There could be more volatility with Debo in DK Metcalf. 618 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,680 The only thing that if if you are at least conceding that the 619 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,800 the floor is part of the appeal for Deonte. 620 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,440 If we're drafting 8 wide receivers, I feel way more 621 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,680 comfortable taking a ton of big cuts, being like, can we get? 622 00:30:41,050 --> 00:30:44,490 You know four top ten wide receivers on this team basically 623 00:30:44,650 --> 00:30:47,610 in your case is Deontay Johnson can't be that which I I hear you 624 00:30:48,250 --> 00:30:51,050 right on that. But I also think that you can be 625 00:30:51,050 --> 00:30:54,050 that and and part of my case against DJ Moore is I I guess I 626 00:30:54,050 --> 00:30:56,490 just don't think he can be that as much as I like the player 627 00:30:56,610 --> 00:31:01,530 like I I just I have a really hard time seeing paths for this 628 00:31:01,530 --> 00:31:03,930 offense where we're like yeah this guy's a locked in top 10 629 00:31:03,930 --> 00:31:06,010 receiver like it from a DFS perspective. 630 00:31:06,010 --> 00:31:08,090 We're just like yeah he's a top ten guy every week. 631 00:31:08,090 --> 00:31:11,200 Like I just there's gonna be weeks where that's not how this 632 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:16,000 often it's projecting a lot different from their team level 633 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,360 stats. A lot different. 634 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,960 So I think then the thing we have to decide on is like, are 635 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,960 you? How are we playing this? 636 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,080 Because it seems like Pat's not is into Deontay Johnson and 637 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:30,880 inversely. I mean Ben Silva a little bit on 638 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,220 Deontay I still like. Part of it's the picket thing 639 00:31:34,220 --> 00:31:39,060 for me, like if he was getting Matthew Stafford, then maybe, I 640 00:31:39,180 --> 00:31:40,620 don't know, this is that year for him. 641 00:31:40,660 --> 00:31:42,620 I will do. Deonte Johnson here. 642 00:31:42,660 --> 00:31:46,660 If we commit to taking one of Ayuk or DJ more if they come 643 00:31:46,660 --> 00:31:50,100 back. I'm I'm more Ayuk than Johnson. 644 00:31:51,540 --> 00:31:53,540 I'm willing to just take Ayuk if you guys want. 645 00:31:53,740 --> 00:31:55,660 I'm OK with that. But I do think Deonte will 646 00:31:55,660 --> 00:31:58,300 probably go with the turn. This guy took Aman raw, and he 647 00:31:58,300 --> 00:32:01,020 means receivers. He seems to be fine with just 648 00:32:01,020 --> 00:32:03,660 Target. Based on ADP, DJ Moore's The 649 00:32:03,660 --> 00:32:06,500 Highest, and then Deontay Johnson, then Mike. 650 00:32:06,500 --> 00:32:09,180 Well, one thing I was gonna say at the top of this pod, I feel 651 00:32:09,180 --> 00:32:11,420 like I can profile our Ship Chaser pretty well. 652 00:32:11,420 --> 00:32:13,340 I have no idea how to profile this guy. 653 00:32:13,860 --> 00:32:16,620 Yeah, he took Darren Waller. One thing we didn't mention for 654 00:32:16,620 --> 00:32:18,540 the audio listeners, he took Darren Waller 401. 655 00:32:18,540 --> 00:32:21,180 Part of why we kind of were questioning the Metcalf 4/02. 656 00:32:21,770 --> 00:32:24,130 He did the big reach and then Kittle went 403. 657 00:32:24,130 --> 00:32:26,450 So those guys when we talked in the earlier mini so it's about 658 00:32:26,450 --> 00:32:29,210 being more 4-5 turn tight ends. Two of them got pushed up to the 659 00:32:29,250 --> 00:32:31,650 early 4th. So two of the drafters around 660 00:32:31,650 --> 00:32:35,330 our range kind of decided they were going to address this late 661 00:32:35,410 --> 00:32:37,810 draft slot. Not having great shots at tight 662 00:32:37,810 --> 00:32:39,570 end by by reaching on a tight end. 663 00:32:41,010 --> 00:32:42,970 I don't know how to profile him either he's he looks like a 664 00:32:42,970 --> 00:32:44,690 tough guy to pro. He took both Nick Chubb and Joe 665 00:32:44,690 --> 00:32:46,090 mixing. He seems like a little bit of a 666 00:32:46,090 --> 00:32:52,890 grinder, but yeah, I think so. IU guess the lowest ADP I was 667 00:32:52,890 --> 00:32:56,210 gonna say. I'm definitely fine taking IU, 668 00:32:56,250 --> 00:33:01,570 you had kind of said. Is your favorite is most likely 669 00:33:01,570 --> 00:33:04,210 to come back just ADP wise? I do. 670 00:33:04,210 --> 00:33:07,650 I do think that, but again with this guy, I don't know how to 671 00:33:07,650 --> 00:33:11,270 profile him, but. If you look at the top of the 672 00:33:11,270 --> 00:33:14,270 board too, like a guy who takes Joe Mixon where he did, like he 673 00:33:14,270 --> 00:33:16,310 could be very interested in Miles Sanders or Alexander 674 00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:18,470 Madison, I'll actually put a lock that one of his picks is 675 00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:20,510 Alexander Madison. Like that's that's what this, 676 00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:23,870 this feels like. One of you guys are the your 677 00:33:23,870 --> 00:33:25,710 least favorite guy. Both of you is Mike Williams 678 00:33:25,750 --> 00:33:27,790 right? For me, yes. 679 00:33:28,630 --> 00:33:31,110 So we're and for Ben too, right I. 680 00:33:31,110 --> 00:33:36,390 Go I, you the DJ more so if we're doing rank preference 681 00:33:36,390 --> 00:33:38,670 order go what are what is yours Pat? 682 00:33:40,940 --> 00:33:44,500 It's DJ Moore. And then and then at this point, 683 00:33:44,500 --> 00:33:47,100 I don't know. I'm confused. 684 00:33:47,700 --> 00:33:51,580 So that doesn't I would be, I would be Deonte Iyuke, I think I 685 00:33:51,580 --> 00:33:53,580 would be Mike Williams over DJ Moore just completely. 686 00:33:53,580 --> 00:33:55,500 So we're just. Doing Charter right and if. 687 00:33:55,860 --> 00:33:59,300 If pat's not going to vote then, then Iyuke is definitely the. 688 00:34:00,100 --> 00:34:02,260 Well, if we're trying to get two of them. 689 00:34:04,300 --> 00:34:06,740 We're not going to Ben's not going to want DJ Moore, even if 690 00:34:06,740 --> 00:34:10,510 DJ Moore comes back, Yeah, but if you take Deonte here, you can 691 00:34:10,510 --> 00:34:11,590 take DJ more. I won't. 692 00:34:11,710 --> 00:34:14,710 I I'll, I would. That's why I said I'm OK taking 693 00:34:14,710 --> 00:34:16,670 Deonte. If we commit to more or I you 694 00:34:16,670 --> 00:34:19,190 coming back, I don't want to make you I feel bad like I feel 695 00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:20,710 like I'm making you guys both take Deonte. 696 00:34:20,750 --> 00:34:22,630 I was given my opinion, but I don't want to. 697 00:34:22,630 --> 00:34:25,710 If you don't like him, it's OK. It's it's pretty. 698 00:34:25,710 --> 00:34:27,830 Close I mean, I'm pulling up Deonte stuff. 699 00:34:27,830 --> 00:34:31,030 And he had 169 targets in 2021 and 16 games. 700 00:34:31,070 --> 00:34:33,510 He had 144 in 2020, 147 last year. 701 00:34:33,510 --> 00:34:36,909 Like he was the top receiver in open scorer last year. 702 00:34:37,790 --> 00:34:42,139 I do. Think you can say like he's it's 703 00:34:42,139 --> 00:34:45,060 a high floor play, which isn't what we're looking for. 704 00:34:45,380 --> 00:34:50,340 But that high floor creates a ceiling if Pickett doesn't suck 705 00:34:50,340 --> 00:34:52,980 ass this year, which I think he probably will. 706 00:34:52,980 --> 00:34:56,300 But I'm more optimistic on Pickett. 707 00:34:56,300 --> 00:34:58,460 Yeah, what if he doesn't? Alright guys, we need to decide 708 00:34:58,460 --> 00:35:00,820 because I got to get going here. Who we? 709 00:35:00,820 --> 00:35:03,860 Don't let's say Deonte, who's at the he's at the highest, right? 710 00:35:04,060 --> 00:35:07,180 Isn't he got the highest DJ? Is the highest OK? 711 00:35:07,660 --> 00:35:10,180 Well, of the other guys is he's the highest IDP. 712 00:35:10,220 --> 00:35:11,220 Yeah. OK. 713 00:35:11,540 --> 00:35:14,100 Yeah, I think Deonte Ayuk is sort of the plan now, right? 714 00:35:14,220 --> 00:35:17,060 Or are we? I would like to take DJ Moore. 715 00:35:18,140 --> 00:35:20,180 You'd be Deonte. Yeah. 716 00:35:20,260 --> 00:35:23,140 Pete, do you do you wanna take DJ Moore this pick or have I 717 00:35:23,140 --> 00:35:26,620 convinced you off of that? I wanna take Ayuk this pick 718 00:35:26,700 --> 00:35:30,820 Ayuk's my favorite but I'm trying to to to if we in the. 719 00:35:30,820 --> 00:35:34,800 Middle and and get this going. If we think Iyuk is better 720 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,760 served for the 602 because he's the most likely to fall through, 721 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,560 yeah, about for for between Deonte and DJ more, Where were 722 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:47,080 Julian? Deonte and I'm I'm more DJ Moore 723 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,000 but I I get your your. I don't. 724 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:51,840 I don't. And we're I I literally do not 725 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,840 feel super, super strongly about anything. 726 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,240 Like, I think all of you. I don't. 727 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:56,000 Really. Yeah. 728 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:57,760 No. That's why I'm just telling my. 729 00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,960 That maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe we should take IYUK then? 730 00:36:00,540 --> 00:36:02,260 Yeah, if we're. Because if you're not, if Deonte 731 00:36:02,260 --> 00:36:06,420 is your third choice and he's like, yeah, yeah, I don't want 732 00:36:06,420 --> 00:36:08,340 to push you guys both towards Deonte if you don't want to take 733 00:36:08,340 --> 00:36:10,580 him basically because I I don't feel strongly enough. 734 00:36:10,580 --> 00:36:13,700 That's just where I like yeah, that's just my opinion on him. 735 00:36:15,180 --> 00:36:17,300 Let's take let's take I you, let's take I you and then we'll 736 00:36:17,300 --> 00:36:18,660 we'll figure out you can definitely on the way. 737 00:36:18,660 --> 00:36:21,340 Back from the sideways. 49ers are gonna crush this year so 738 00:36:21,380 --> 00:36:23,820 let's we all are comfortable with I you he's in my second 739 00:36:23,820 --> 00:36:25,700 pick all right it. All right. 740 00:36:25,700 --> 00:36:29,380 It also opens us up to pretty, you know, becomes interesting as 741 00:36:29,380 --> 00:36:32,340 like a late. Quarterback option for us if we 742 00:36:32,380 --> 00:36:35,460 we get shut out of another quarterback selection there. 743 00:36:36,300 --> 00:36:38,860 OK, all right, we're going to power this down. 744 00:36:38,860 --> 00:36:40,580 This is the classic ship chasing mini. 745 00:36:40,580 --> 00:36:42,780 So that's now at a 37 minute run time. 746 00:36:42,780 --> 00:36:45,700 I know this always happens, but we appreciate you guys and if 747 00:36:45,700 --> 00:36:47,700 you're listening to the audio version of this, you can get 748 00:36:47,700 --> 00:36:49,380 access to the video ones earlier. 749 00:36:49,780 --> 00:36:52,540 We are posting those in advance for the YouTube members you can 750 00:36:52,540 --> 00:36:55,900 go to youtube.com/ship chasing. Become a member also unlocks the 751 00:36:55,900 --> 00:36:58,540 ship chasing Discord. Appreciate you guys As always. 752 00:36:58,660 --> 00:37:01,900 We'll be back next time. Let you know how we are gonna 753 00:37:01,900 --> 00:37:03,100 handle the seven eighth turn.