1 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,480 Preseason week one is in the books, and the fantasy markets 2 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,640 are already tossing out their priors because of a grand total 3 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:20,800 of 12 snaps played with the starters. 4 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,800 Today we'll be covering the top 10 most interesting Nuggets from 5 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:26,480 this past weekend's preseason action. 6 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:35,240 This is ADP chasing. Let's go Pat Fryer homo. 7 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:39,560 This is what this is what I'm hot Anita hand. 8 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:46,120 Job fix your side, Jamar, Elfo play chase you. 9 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,320 Can't handle the heat? It looks like we're finally at 10 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:50,040 this point. You're right. 11 00:00:58,730 --> 00:01:02,450 All right, everybody. Welcome to August 14th edition 12 00:01:02,450 --> 00:01:05,129 of ADP Chasing in the upset of the century. 13 00:01:05,129 --> 00:01:07,890 It wasn't Pat's or my Internet issues that were causing delay 14 00:01:07,890 --> 00:01:10,850 here. Don't really know what's going 15 00:01:10,850 --> 00:01:13,050 on with Davis, but he will be. I know what's going on. 16 00:01:13,810 --> 00:01:20,450 So before we went on, we got a tweet reply here saying talking 17 00:01:20,450 --> 00:01:24,650 about Davis's mustache and making fun of David saying check 18 00:01:24,650 --> 00:01:27,970 out my mustache. And then he said, Oh no, the 19 00:01:27,970 --> 00:01:31,730 mustache has been shaved so that you know, you won't make an 20 00:01:31,730 --> 00:01:33,810 appearance. And then he ends up being late 21 00:01:33,810 --> 00:01:36,090 to the podcast. Now this, this strikes me as 22 00:01:36,090 --> 00:01:39,450 pretty clearly a sign that he ran to go shave his mustache. 23 00:01:40,570 --> 00:01:42,810 Just decided the mustache couldn't make any more 24 00:01:42,810 --> 00:01:44,490 appearances on podcast, and that's why. 25 00:01:44,890 --> 00:01:47,450 So why we're sitting here. So, you know, Dave is lathering 26 00:01:47,450 --> 00:01:50,250 up, you know, making sure his face is nice and soft before. 27 00:01:51,350 --> 00:01:54,390 I mean, it makes sense if you watch the stream, the draft 28 00:01:54,390 --> 00:01:59,230 stream, he probably doesn't want any memory of that mustache 29 00:01:59,510 --> 00:02:04,470 draft stream with Liam and Kyle to still be continuing on. 30 00:02:04,470 --> 00:02:07,550 So he's probably gotta cleanse his face of that. 31 00:02:08,630 --> 00:02:09,590 I do appreciate it. Yeah. 32 00:02:09,590 --> 00:02:10,669 I don't. I certainly don't want that 33 00:02:10,669 --> 00:02:11,750 mustache anywhere near this show. 34 00:02:14,070 --> 00:02:15,790 Yeah. Well, anyways, yeah, we had 35 00:02:15,790 --> 00:02:17,510 preseason week one this past week. 36 00:02:17,510 --> 00:02:20,350 We'll wait a little bit for days before we get into the charts 37 00:02:20,350 --> 00:02:24,190 here, but Pat, curious, are you somebody who actually watches 38 00:02:24,190 --> 00:02:26,590 preseason games? Or do you just read the snap 39 00:02:26,590 --> 00:02:29,190 summaries? Nathan Yonkee, thank you for 40 00:02:29,190 --> 00:02:32,110 your service. No, I do not watch, watch the 41 00:02:32,110 --> 00:02:34,110 preseason. I mean, the highlights make 42 00:02:34,110 --> 00:02:36,790 their way across and I get to see that on Twitter. 43 00:02:36,870 --> 00:02:41,550 So Chris, by the way, pointing out that I probably just have 44 00:02:41,550 --> 00:02:43,190 mustache jealousy, which is fair. 45 00:02:43,990 --> 00:02:45,870 I cannot grow. I could grow a mustache. 46 00:02:45,870 --> 00:02:47,310 I can't grow anything but a mustache. 47 00:02:47,950 --> 00:02:50,350 I can grow the world's worst mustache and that no one wants 48 00:02:50,350 --> 00:02:52,950 to see. So yeah, yeah, that's probably 49 00:02:52,950 --> 00:02:54,990 probably something to that. But no, I don't watch the 50 00:02:54,990 --> 00:02:57,710 preseason. I find it boring to be honest. 51 00:02:58,310 --> 00:03:02,550 And yeah, so I I just go and I I check out the snaps. 52 00:03:03,630 --> 00:03:06,150 I seriously do think Nathan Yankee stuff is really helpful. 53 00:03:06,150 --> 00:03:07,270 It's awesome. Yeah. 54 00:03:07,590 --> 00:03:08,870 Yeah. Because you know it's the 55 00:03:08,870 --> 00:03:13,350 context of of like, OK, you know he's been doing this for a 56 00:03:13,350 --> 00:03:15,990 number of years as well. So he can be like this team like 57 00:03:16,070 --> 00:03:18,920 normally does this and. The fact they didn't do this is 58 00:03:18,920 --> 00:03:22,200 interesting or you know they they usually rotate their their 59 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,120 running backs by series and you know they either did or didn't 60 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,000 do that or we can kind of because we're just trying to 61 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:32,320 parse the the new information. And I I think people push back 62 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,760 on the preseason stuff to some extent. 63 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,000 You point out like you know in the intro we're all not throwing 64 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,120 out our priors. You don't want to do that, 65 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:43,620 obviously, but. You know, a lot of like noisy 66 00:03:43,620 --> 00:03:45,820 stuff happens all the time in the NFL. 67 00:03:45,820 --> 00:03:49,100 Like people have been pointing out the Josh Jacobs one from 68 00:03:49,100 --> 00:03:50,740 last year. You know, he was used a lot in 69 00:03:50,740 --> 00:03:54,580 the Hall of Fame game. But then who was it? 70 00:03:54,700 --> 00:03:57,100 Someone on Twitter was like, you know, he did rest with the 71 00:03:57,100 --> 00:03:58,100 starters for the rest of the life. 72 00:03:58,100 --> 00:03:59,660 I think it was it was Josh or Hayden. 73 00:03:59,660 --> 00:04:00,420 I think that that. Yeah. 74 00:04:00,420 --> 00:04:02,580 Yeah, I saw that. Yeah, I think it was Hayden. 75 00:04:02,580 --> 00:04:03,100 Yeah. Yeah. 76 00:04:03,260 --> 00:04:07,420 So that that was like, yeah, so that's that was a very helpful 77 00:04:07,540 --> 00:04:10,100 follow up data point. The one that sticks with me is. 78 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:16,200 Antonio Gibson two years ago was not used in 3rd down situations 79 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,760 with the starters in the the third preseason game, I guess at 80 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,680 that time or the 2nd, whichever the meaningful preseason game 81 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:27,200 was that year. Yeah, and Janie Mckissack was, 82 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:31,360 and that was like very important information that I mostly 83 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,400 disregarded. I was like whatever preseason, 84 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,640 who cares. But like that I knew I was kind 85 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,640 of probably being stupid even. And then like I this probably 86 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:41,860 matters some. But it's like then it's like, 87 00:04:41,860 --> 00:04:43,740 well, whatever. Like he'll take it over by the 88 00:04:43,740 --> 00:04:47,380 end of the season. But we are getting Nuggets of 89 00:04:47,380 --> 00:04:49,020 information. They're buried in Nuggets of 90 00:04:49,020 --> 00:04:51,620 noise. But like, I don't know, it's is 91 00:04:51,620 --> 00:04:55,620 it like, it's not as powerful as week one, obviously, but like, 92 00:04:55,620 --> 00:04:58,100 week ones like that too. When we're in week one, we're 93 00:04:58,100 --> 00:05:00,180 like, oh, what does this mean? What does this mean? 94 00:05:00,180 --> 00:05:02,420 But no one's like, don't pay attention to week one. 95 00:05:02,780 --> 00:05:05,860 You know, it's it's going to take some work to to get the 96 00:05:05,860 --> 00:05:07,580 right lessons out of the preseason stuff. 97 00:05:07,940 --> 00:05:10,020 But I I do think there's lessons in there. 98 00:05:10,650 --> 00:05:12,810 I do too. Yeah, I I so yeah, I was, I was 99 00:05:12,810 --> 00:05:15,130 joking in the intro about 12 steps to play with the starters. 100 00:05:15,130 --> 00:05:18,210 I, you know, I think I'm on the same page as you, Pat, where 101 00:05:18,210 --> 00:05:22,050 obviously there is noise. And you know when, for example, 102 00:05:22,090 --> 00:05:25,730 you know Devon a chain. He's playing with the third team 103 00:05:25,730 --> 00:05:28,170 this preseason game. He's playing behind Miles Gasket 104 00:05:28,170 --> 00:05:29,890 and solve an op Med. Like that's something that 105 00:05:29,890 --> 00:05:31,890 strikes me as OK, he's a rookie running back. 106 00:05:32,170 --> 00:05:35,250 And like that's normal. I'm not like completely, you 107 00:05:35,250 --> 00:05:39,200 know, taking out the panic button and fading, you know, a 108 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,680 chain completely. But at the same time, it's like 109 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,080 it would be better if he was playing ahead of those guys. 110 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,000 Like, you know, there are some rookies that are like, you know, 111 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,080 Musgraves playing with the ones like, right. 112 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,280 There's other you know, tank Bigsby got snapped by the with 113 00:05:51,280 --> 00:05:53,760 the 1:00. So I think the pushback on like 114 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,080 preseason is meaningless, like tossed all out. 115 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,280 It's like you have to put it in context, I think particularly 116 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,360 for rookies because that's just how the NFL works. 117 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:06,290 Like these guys are very often buried on their depth charts to 118 00:06:06,290 --> 00:06:08,330 start the season and that's completely normal. 119 00:06:08,530 --> 00:06:11,690 But the folks that are like, you know, I saw Levitan, he put out 120 00:06:11,690 --> 00:06:15,010 a great thread of the preseason takeaways and it's still tons of 121 00:06:15,010 --> 00:06:17,170 responses of like, overreacting the preseason. 122 00:06:17,170 --> 00:06:19,610 This means nothing. I mean people have to realize 123 00:06:19,610 --> 00:06:23,050 like, yes, some of these reactions, like, will end up 124 00:06:23,410 --> 00:06:25,570 being wrong. Like it's not going to be 125 00:06:25,570 --> 00:06:28,130 perfect. But All in all, like, I think 126 00:06:28,130 --> 00:06:32,580 paying attention to preseason usage is like an edge that you 127 00:06:32,580 --> 00:06:34,980 have if you're able to parse. It, yeah. 128 00:06:35,580 --> 00:06:38,460 I generally think doing work is an edge, you know what I mean? 129 00:06:38,460 --> 00:06:40,980 So if you're like thinking through, like if you're 130 00:06:41,100 --> 00:06:44,300 bothering to incorporate new information and then think 131 00:06:44,300 --> 00:06:49,220 through it about what was and was not baked into this guy's 132 00:06:49,500 --> 00:06:53,700 outlook and then what this new information gives us, you know, 133 00:06:53,700 --> 00:06:57,180 I think it's an edge like no one there's a I think some of the 134 00:06:57,180 --> 00:06:59,840 pushback is like. It stems from like laziness to 135 00:06:59,840 --> 00:07:00,720 an extent. Like don't. 136 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:02,800 Yeah don't get this stuff out of my face. 137 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:04,640 Like I don't care. I don't wanna have to think 138 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,640 about this. But and obviously if you just 139 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:11,280 like flow with the wind of you know this guy got 8 snaps with 140 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,200 the snorers and this guy got no, no, no. 141 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:18,440 Like that would be stupid. But like you're, you know, I I 142 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:20,480 think like like the HM one's a good one right? 143 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:25,480 Like what's baked in. Well, you could argue that like 144 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:27,800 his current price, price doesn't really reflect. 145 00:07:28,950 --> 00:07:31,590 Really any early season production. 146 00:07:31,830 --> 00:07:35,230 Like it's pretty much like he never really bounced back fully 147 00:07:35,230 --> 00:07:39,430 from the Dalvin Cook rumors. He is priced. 148 00:07:39,790 --> 00:07:44,710 Basically is like a late season, you know high upside. 149 00:07:44,790 --> 00:07:48,270 But like you you definitely need him to like you good, but like a 150 00:07:48,270 --> 00:07:51,670 guy who can come on down the stretch as a a rookie with elite 151 00:07:51,670 --> 00:07:55,150 speed and fully pay off for you at his current ADP. 152 00:07:55,470 --> 00:08:00,090 So docking him a lot for not. Being involved is like a clear 153 00:08:00,090 --> 00:08:01,850 starter right away. I mean, like if a team was like 154 00:08:01,850 --> 00:08:07,010 a clear starter should be like a sixth round pick, fifth round 155 00:08:07,010 --> 00:08:10,610 pick, Like it's not baked into his price, you know? 156 00:08:10,610 --> 00:08:13,930 So don't freak out. But then there's guys like, you 157 00:08:13,930 --> 00:08:15,930 know, like Penny. Like, I'm a little nervous about 158 00:08:15,930 --> 00:08:19,090 Penny because I'm like, he's kind of priced like he's going 159 00:08:19,090 --> 00:08:22,610 to have some kind of role right away. 160 00:08:22,610 --> 00:08:24,410 I mean, they're not priced like that differently from each 161 00:08:24,410 --> 00:08:25,730 other, but it's like a bit of a different. 162 00:08:27,110 --> 00:08:29,470 That because it's like a crowded situation. 163 00:08:29,470 --> 00:08:32,510 And so now with Penny, like, I'm not freaking out too much, but 164 00:08:32,510 --> 00:08:35,710 I'm like I thought Penny was like kind of almost helpful in 165 00:08:35,710 --> 00:08:38,549 the early season because I'm worried about this injury risk. 166 00:08:38,549 --> 00:08:40,190 But at least like he'll have this role and now it's the 167 00:08:40,190 --> 00:08:41,909 opposite. I'm like, well, now it's a bet 168 00:08:41,909 --> 00:08:45,430 on talent play where he has to like prove himself probably and 169 00:08:45,430 --> 00:08:48,350 stay healthy. And I want to spend a little 170 00:08:48,350 --> 00:08:50,790 less on that. And I I want to fit that into my 171 00:08:50,790 --> 00:08:52,790 running back rooms a little differently as well. 172 00:08:52,790 --> 00:08:55,590 Like he Yeah, some of it can just be kind of like. 173 00:08:56,080 --> 00:09:00,240 Qualitative like what type of jigsaw pieces this guy and what 174 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,960 how does he fit into my rooms. Yeah for sure. 175 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:07,040 It definitely like I think the penny one is a good example cuz 176 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:10,240 that didn't what we saw doesn't change just like true upside 177 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:14,160 case by any means. But I think definitely has a 178 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,760 lower floor introduced with that information and we'll get to the 179 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,720 Eagles, Arby's and sort of break it all down. 180 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:37,130 But yeah, I totally agree. Yeah, who looked good? 181 00:09:22,050 --> 00:09:25,570 I think some of the preseason pushback, I think it stems from 182 00:09:25,850 --> 00:09:27,890 a couple things. One, like you said, is laziness 183 00:09:28,210 --> 00:09:30,130 2. I think the industry like five 184 00:09:30,130 --> 00:09:33,330 years ago was really bad at analyzing preseason and stuff. 185 00:09:33,330 --> 00:09:35,890 It was just like whatever rookie got the coolest highlights, it 186 00:09:35,890 --> 00:09:38,370 doesn't. Yeah, it didn't matter if it was 187 00:09:38,370 --> 00:09:39,890 in the third quarter or what it was like. 188 00:09:40,090 --> 00:09:41,410 That rookie got a huge highlight. 189 00:09:41,930 --> 00:09:44,830 Let's drive up our boards and some of that still happens a 190 00:09:44,830 --> 00:09:48,110 little bit now, but. Roshon is it's a little roshon 191 00:09:48,110 --> 00:09:49,070 right now. Yeah. 192 00:09:49,270 --> 00:09:53,230 And it's like, I get it. He looked good, but that's not 193 00:09:53,230 --> 00:09:55,390 why I don't watch cuz that he looked good. 194 00:09:55,390 --> 00:09:58,950 Part of it is pretty useless. It's like he looked good, but 195 00:09:58,950 --> 00:10:01,190 it's so hard to know what that means against, you know, he 196 00:10:01,470 --> 00:10:04,310 ripped off that run middle of the third quarter against the 197 00:10:04,310 --> 00:10:07,150 backup defenders. Like, who knows what that means? 198 00:10:07,510 --> 00:10:11,310 Anyways, the Roshon, you know, people think I'm biased against 199 00:10:11,310 --> 00:10:13,710 Rochon. Like the reason I'm not reacting 200 00:10:13,710 --> 00:10:15,270 that clip at all is nothing to do with my bias. 201 00:10:15,270 --> 00:10:18,110 It's that he entered the game after Tristan Edner, which 202 00:10:18,110 --> 00:10:19,510 again, he's a rookie running back. 203 00:10:19,510 --> 00:10:21,910 That's to be expected. But like, I don't think we got 204 00:10:21,910 --> 00:10:24,950 new news on Rochon. That's like great, right? 205 00:10:24,950 --> 00:10:28,030 Like if he played earlier, if he played with the starters, that 206 00:10:28,030 --> 00:10:30,470 would be good news. I'm not reacting to like a 19 207 00:10:30,510 --> 00:10:33,430 yard run against backups. Even though I met he, he looked 208 00:10:33,430 --> 00:10:36,390 really cool doing it. I'm reacting to him a little 209 00:10:36,390 --> 00:10:39,270 bit, just because in the sense of like. 210 00:10:40,580 --> 00:10:42,700 I'm just, I I'm just kind of holding steady on Roshan. 211 00:10:42,700 --> 00:10:45,180 He's not like moving up for me, but he's just like, OK, he's 212 00:10:45,180 --> 00:10:48,140 wasn't with, you know, he's clearly got work to do. 213 00:10:48,140 --> 00:10:50,380 But like, then maybe he did do the work. 214 00:10:50,540 --> 00:10:52,860 Because look, I mean, the guys are watching these games. 215 00:10:53,020 --> 00:10:55,060 We know from watching Hard Knocks and stuff that the coach 216 00:10:55,060 --> 00:10:59,060 is like to a level that is like, frankly stupid care about who 217 00:10:59,060 --> 00:11:01,740 wins these games. Like they really care about, 218 00:11:01,740 --> 00:11:03,900 like whether or not they're 4th or 5th. 219 00:11:03,980 --> 00:11:06,780 Dude 2 will never play a snap for their team ever, because 220 00:11:06,780 --> 00:11:09,260 they're all getting caught. Whether or not they like win 221 00:11:09,260 --> 00:11:11,860 these games, like they're like really worked up about it. 222 00:11:12,020 --> 00:11:13,340 They're like emotionally invested. 223 00:11:13,340 --> 00:11:18,740 So I do think that like ripping off a long run can be helpful. 224 00:11:18,820 --> 00:11:21,780 You know for a guy who. But of course you need to what's 225 00:11:21,780 --> 00:11:24,060 the prior? Well, the prior is like he was 226 00:11:24,060 --> 00:11:26,100 having a good training camp. He they trust him as a pass 227 00:11:26,100 --> 00:11:29,820 blocker already. He'd like, you know, they seem 228 00:11:29,820 --> 00:11:32,340 interested in him having a role and then he has this big long 229 00:11:32,340 --> 00:11:34,900 run and it's like, OK, well maybe that'll help. 230 00:11:34,900 --> 00:11:38,220 And then? We get to see like next week, 231 00:11:38,220 --> 00:11:43,820 like do they give him a little bit more run with a head of 232 00:11:43,820 --> 00:11:47,220 trust in Edner, Right. So yeah, if they don't though, I 233 00:11:47,220 --> 00:11:50,980 think that's meaningful. Yeah, and I think Edner did 234 00:11:50,980 --> 00:11:54,020 actually get hurt in that game, so that's like a very small 235 00:11:54,900 --> 00:11:58,420 injury to watch. But anyways, we're gonna get 236 00:11:58,420 --> 00:12:02,120 started here. As Fade Mike Takes mentions 237 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,320 Davis Davis is being dropped in the rankings. 238 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:05,920 He doesn't seem like he's getting playing times with the 239 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:07,800 ones today. Or he's getting rested. 240 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:10,960 He's getting, Yeah, he might. We might be resting. 241 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:12,320 Him before I should have dancing appearance. 242 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:14,600 Yeah, I don't know. It's hard to say. 243 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,200 We'll check. We'll check that injury news on 244 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,440 Davis there. But 20? 245 00:12:20,680 --> 00:12:27,300 Minutes past 12 Where is Davis? Let's get started here. 246 00:12:27,300 --> 00:12:29,660 Davis, if you're watching, please come join us. 247 00:12:29,660 --> 00:12:31,540 For some reason, I feel like we're just gonna see Davis, 248 00:12:31,540 --> 00:12:33,740 like, arguing in the chat halfway through the show. 249 00:12:35,180 --> 00:12:39,420 People like he normally does. He's probably Let's see if 250 00:12:39,420 --> 00:12:40,940 Liam's streaming. He's probably arguing anything 251 00:12:40,940 --> 00:12:44,180 about Dalton Kincaid. He couldn't resist off again. 252 00:12:44,580 --> 00:12:47,220 Yeah, yeah. I don't know who is the Davis 253 00:12:47,220 --> 00:12:48,580 handcuff. We're looking. 254 00:12:48,940 --> 00:12:50,660 Strongly Who is the Davis? Handcuff. 255 00:12:50,660 --> 00:12:53,640 I don't know, Pete, Peter, Gretch are usually pretty good 256 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,160 contingent plays if one of us misses time. 257 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:00,040 Yeah, that's true. But it's hard. 258 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:01,400 You. Guys, stand alone value as well. 259 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,880 I mean that guy's yeah, yeah, that's a lot of stand alone 260 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:06,760 value. A lot of stand alone value with 261 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:08,920 Pete. Oh man. 262 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,120 OK anyways, so we're gonna get to the Rogers and followers. 263 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:16,160 I wanted to 1st pull out some guys that actually don't pop as 264 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,320 either major risers or followers, but I think we got 265 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:23,260 pretty big interesting news on some of these top 150 picks 266 00:13:23,260 --> 00:13:26,100 here. The first one, Christian Kirk. 267 00:13:26,100 --> 00:13:30,300 So setting the scene here. Kirk again, you know, small 268 00:13:30,300 --> 00:13:32,420 sample size button around 12 snaps. 269 00:13:32,420 --> 00:13:37,180 With the starters he was limited to three wide receiver sets. 270 00:13:37,180 --> 00:13:40,420 Only Ze Jones was actually playing ahead of him in two wide 271 00:13:40,420 --> 00:13:41,820 receiver sets which is interesting. 272 00:13:42,260 --> 00:13:47,980 This nugget was from Nathan Janke's article on PFF, but Kirk 273 00:13:48,140 --> 00:13:52,420 did play ahead of Zay Jones and 12 personnel snaps last year. 274 00:13:52,420 --> 00:13:54,980 I think they're both playing a bunch of two odd receiver sets 275 00:13:54,980 --> 00:13:56,180 last year. But yeah, they wouldn't be 276 00:13:56,180 --> 00:13:59,140 ahead, right? It'd be together, yeah, but I 277 00:13:59,140 --> 00:14:01,420 think so. Marvin Jones played more snaps 278 00:14:01,420 --> 00:14:05,980 than you think. And so Janky's article said that 279 00:14:05,980 --> 00:14:10,140 Kirk I think played in like 89% of 12 personnel snaps last year, 280 00:14:10,140 --> 00:14:13,220 where Zay Jones only played in like 60% so. 281 00:14:13,810 --> 00:14:19,450 I think Jones had a 92% route rate and Kirk had a 95% route 282 00:14:19,450 --> 00:14:25,290 rate so and and Marvin Jones was at 76%. 283 00:14:25,290 --> 00:14:31,090 So what my take on it was that last year and and yeah I mean 284 00:14:31,490 --> 00:14:34,130 Jones was coming off a little bit more often than Kirk. 285 00:14:34,930 --> 00:14:39,170 So, so I get that but it they were both like very like when 286 00:14:39,170 --> 00:14:41,730 you have 90 plus percent route participation that is. 287 00:14:42,130 --> 00:14:44,930 Like a leap for a wide receiver. I mean you'll occasionally see 288 00:14:44,930 --> 00:14:48,810 like Jamar Chase is like 95% plus some of these. 289 00:14:48,810 --> 00:14:50,730 True, truly, it's like never leave the field. 290 00:14:50,730 --> 00:14:54,970 But these were very much full time players last year, both Ze 291 00:14:54,970 --> 00:14:57,730 Jones and Christian Kirk. Yeah, they're very much full 292 00:14:57,730 --> 00:15:01,290 time players. So with the addition of Ridley, 293 00:15:01,290 --> 00:15:04,890 I think it is noteworthy that Kirk was limited to three wide 294 00:15:04,890 --> 00:15:08,270 receiver sets. Again this nugget was from 295 00:15:08,630 --> 00:15:12,070 Janky's article but I think it totally depends on the offense. 296 00:15:12,070 --> 00:15:17,150 But like a rough rule of thumb is you can think of like 2 wide 297 00:15:17,150 --> 00:15:22,310 receiver sets consisting of like 20% of fantasy production was 298 00:15:22,310 --> 00:15:26,150 the note he had in the article. So if a player is slot only, I 299 00:15:26,150 --> 00:15:29,150 think that kind of limits that their upside because generally 300 00:15:29,150 --> 00:15:32,230 it's hard to be, you know, slot only players are generally only 301 00:15:32,390 --> 00:15:37,950 80 percent, 75% maybe, you know, could be 85% on a really you 302 00:15:37,950 --> 00:15:40,910 know three wide receiver set heavy offense, but they're more 303 00:15:40,950 --> 00:15:44,790 in that route range than what Kirk and Jones were in last 304 00:15:44,790 --> 00:15:45,830 year. So yeah. 305 00:15:45,830 --> 00:15:47,950 Curious what you think. Between a guy who plays in the 306 00:15:47,950 --> 00:15:52,110 slot in three wide receiver sets and then moves to the outside 307 00:15:52,110 --> 00:15:53,950 and two wide receiver sets, which is kind of what Kirk was 308 00:15:53,950 --> 00:15:55,350 last year. Yeah, like. 309 00:15:55,780 --> 00:15:58,620 Being in slots, fine. But you want the guys who are 310 00:15:58,820 --> 00:16:01,580 still going to be out there in two wide receivers sets. 311 00:16:01,580 --> 00:16:04,860 Otherwise, yeah, you drop from like a 90% to 75% route 312 00:16:04,860 --> 00:16:06,020 participation, something like that. 313 00:16:06,020 --> 00:16:08,300 Which hurts. Yeah, it hurts. 314 00:16:08,300 --> 00:16:10,700 It doesn't like when you just say those numbers, it doesn't 315 00:16:10,700 --> 00:16:13,340 sound like a lot. And I know players who play only 316 00:16:13,340 --> 00:16:14,900 in the slot, like, can get there. 317 00:16:14,900 --> 00:16:17,420 But yeah, curious what you think on. 318 00:16:17,420 --> 00:16:20,260 So Kirk's ADP, Pat, he's around pick 51. 319 00:16:20,260 --> 00:16:23,620 I know a lot of sharp drafters, like you know the folks at ETR 320 00:16:23,660 --> 00:16:26,390 are really high in Kirk. What are your thoughts? 321 00:16:26,390 --> 00:16:29,190 Are you reacting to this news at all that Kirk's only playing 322 00:16:29,190 --> 00:16:31,110 through out receiver sets? Yeah. 323 00:16:31,110 --> 00:16:36,310 So my thing with is I, when I try to, you know, interpret this 324 00:16:36,310 --> 00:16:39,590 information, I'm trying to think through like what what I 325 00:16:39,590 --> 00:16:41,670 thought, you know, what my prior was. 326 00:16:41,670 --> 00:16:47,630 But also like, you know, if I had a guy ranked somewhere, why 327 00:16:47,630 --> 00:16:49,830 did I have him ranked there? And part of the reason that I I 328 00:16:49,830 --> 00:16:53,790 kind of Kirk like fairly close to ADP, I think it was a little 329 00:16:53,790 --> 00:16:58,530 behind. But I never really got it like I 330 00:16:58,530 --> 00:17:02,450 I never got the bull case fully like he was more someone that I 331 00:17:02,450 --> 00:17:07,890 was like drafting to respect the market and because I need a wide 332 00:17:07,890 --> 00:17:10,210 receiver in those ranges ranges sometimes. 333 00:17:10,770 --> 00:17:14,210 And then yeah, like sharp sites like ETR or have been very high 334 00:17:14,210 --> 00:17:18,250 on Kirk the whole time. But when I looked at Kirk, like 335 00:17:18,450 --> 00:17:20,089 when I was doing the walkthrough last year. 336 00:17:20,950 --> 00:17:24,869 He did not seem like he was really like ahead of Ze Jones. 337 00:17:24,990 --> 00:17:31,910 They seemed like very much kind of 1A1B and I don't have a very 338 00:17:31,910 --> 00:17:36,910 high opinion of Ze Jones, so that was a red flag like in and 339 00:17:36,910 --> 00:17:39,350 of itself to me. I also have not been 340 00:17:39,550 --> 00:17:42,270 particularly impressed with Christian Kirk over his career. 341 00:17:42,710 --> 00:17:45,870 We weren't, you know, that excited about him as he entered 342 00:17:46,670 --> 00:17:48,150 the Jaguars. I mean, we are kind of got 343 00:17:48,150 --> 00:17:50,070 panned for, you know, getting overpaid like. 344 00:17:50,470 --> 00:17:54,830 I think he's like a fine Alan, but not anyone I want to be like 345 00:17:54,830 --> 00:17:58,310 particularly invested in. Also like, you know, if you 346 00:17:58,310 --> 00:18:01,830 think through what the fifth round it could really be for, it 347 00:18:01,830 --> 00:18:03,750 would be ideal to find someone who's going to be like an 348 00:18:03,750 --> 00:18:05,670 absolute smash. There is that, Davis. 349 00:18:06,830 --> 00:18:09,310 Yo. Just just Davis, Just Dog and 350 00:18:09,310 --> 00:18:13,070 Christian Kirk. I I bumped Kirk, Kirk down 351 00:18:13,430 --> 00:18:16,030 pretty significantly just because I I was like, OK, I 352 00:18:16,030 --> 00:18:18,070 don't think I've never been that into him. 353 00:18:18,610 --> 00:18:23,290 And I'm kind of like, well, the market likes him, some other 354 00:18:23,290 --> 00:18:27,130 sites like him, but if he's going to be like a slot 355 00:18:27,130 --> 00:18:30,050 receiver, he's grossly overpriced, I think. 356 00:18:30,290 --> 00:18:32,570 So where did you, where did you talk him to Pat? 357 00:18:33,170 --> 00:18:37,850 Just curious like how far? I talked him to 60 in my In my 358 00:18:37,850 --> 00:18:41,690 pure ranks, he comes out the ADP keeps him just a bit higher in 359 00:18:41,690 --> 00:18:44,540 the ranks. He's at 59, Yeah, because I 360 00:18:44,540 --> 00:18:47,460 think an interesting comp right to him when I was thinking about 361 00:18:47,460 --> 00:18:50,820 his price is like the Tyler Locket JSN range. 362 00:18:50,820 --> 00:18:53,940 Because those are similar guys where they're on what we think 363 00:18:53,940 --> 00:18:55,220 are gonna be really good offenses. 364 00:18:55,220 --> 00:18:59,340 But one of them is gonna be a three wide receiver only player 365 00:18:59,580 --> 00:19:02,140 in all likelihood of, you know, it might be different sections 366 00:19:02,140 --> 00:19:03,660 of the year where they're playing two wide receiver sets, 367 00:19:03,660 --> 00:19:05,420 whatever. But is that kind of the range 368 00:19:05,420 --> 00:19:07,980 where you're viewing Kirk now, like in the Tyler Locket Yes 369 00:19:08,460 --> 00:19:09,140 Zone. OK. 370 00:19:09,260 --> 00:19:10,340 Yes, got it. That's I have. 371 00:19:10,340 --> 00:19:14,870 I actually have one spot behind. Kirk, CDP was nonsensical to 372 00:19:14,870 --> 00:19:17,790 begin with because you basically, you basically had to 373 00:19:17,790 --> 00:19:23,470 project this rise that like we all sort of think it's possible 374 00:19:23,990 --> 00:19:27,910 for Zaja or for Trevor Lawrence to throw for 4900 yards and 40 375 00:19:27,910 --> 00:19:29,630 touchdowns and like, blow the NFL up. 376 00:19:29,870 --> 00:19:33,390 But the only way for Kirk to pay off at what he cost it already 377 00:19:33,590 --> 00:19:35,430 was for that to happen. Like if you're. 378 00:19:35,430 --> 00:19:38,270 Doing or for Ridley not to be it right, Ridley's. 379 00:19:38,710 --> 00:19:41,790 And I and I guess that's what the ADP is baking in a little 380 00:19:41,790 --> 00:19:44,230 bit like the ADP is doing. I think it's doing a couple 381 00:19:44,230 --> 00:19:45,870 things. It's like baking in some chance 382 00:19:45,870 --> 00:19:49,310 of Lawrence going nuclear, some chance of Calvin Ridley being a 383 00:19:49,310 --> 00:19:51,750 guy who hasn't played football for two years and gets injured 384 00:19:51,750 --> 00:19:57,110 or just isn't as good. Kirk kind of doing a a segmented 385 00:19:57,110 --> 00:19:59,790 role like because remember in Arizona how he would be useless 386 00:19:59,790 --> 00:20:02,290 for like 8 weeks and then go. He would do. 387 00:20:02,290 --> 00:20:04,890 He would do like the Lee Evans, you know he'd be 4 target, 3 388 00:20:04,890 --> 00:20:08,090 receptions, 120 yards and a touchdown Like that was sort of 389 00:20:08,090 --> 00:20:12,730 like what he would do and also ze Jones not being targeted near 390 00:20:12,730 --> 00:20:15,090 as much, which we really haven't gotten any indication of and 391 00:20:15,090 --> 00:20:17,170 then in the. Previous no indication of that. 392 00:20:17,170 --> 00:20:18,930 We got the opposite indication right. 393 00:20:18,930 --> 00:20:22,210 We got we got that the team actually still really values ZE 394 00:20:22,210 --> 00:20:25,620 Jones and for me it's just like I'm never clicking Kirk over 395 00:20:25,620 --> 00:20:27,540 Iuke. I I like iuke so much more 396 00:20:27,540 --> 00:20:30,740 actually in a very similar way where like the target roll maybe 397 00:20:30,740 --> 00:20:33,900 week to week isn't super projectable but I like the iuke 398 00:20:33,900 --> 00:20:36,220 ceiling more. Iuke I think has more contingent 399 00:20:36,220 --> 00:20:41,500 value and the both the Seattle guys, JSN and Lockett, I like 400 00:20:41,500 --> 00:20:44,100 them more as well. So we just felt like a bad click 401 00:20:44,100 --> 00:20:47,380 and I barely have any of them and I'm probably going to take 402 00:20:47,380 --> 00:20:49,380 less of them now. Yeah. 403 00:20:49,580 --> 00:20:53,140 I mean because I. Just get to a spot where you're 404 00:20:53,140 --> 00:20:55,100 like, I need a receiver and it wouldn't be terrible to have. 405 00:20:55,420 --> 00:20:59,460 I had 6% Kirk, so I was like capitulating a little bit more, 406 00:21:00,620 --> 00:21:03,940 which now I regret. But yeah, I was always kind of 407 00:21:03,940 --> 00:21:06,500 like felt like I was forced into it by the room. 408 00:21:06,980 --> 00:21:09,220 When you just need that, it's like 503 and you really need a 409 00:21:09,220 --> 00:21:14,540 receiver, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I I think I don't have my 410 00:21:14,540 --> 00:21:16,220 exposures up right now. I think I was probably at 411 00:21:16,220 --> 00:21:21,850 marketer slightly above market. On Kirk, for me, it was just, 412 00:21:22,250 --> 00:21:25,810 you know, he, he put up 1100 yards and eight touchdowns last 413 00:21:25,810 --> 00:21:28,370 year. And I think I I agree with what 414 00:21:28,370 --> 00:21:31,210 you're saying with the narrative of Ridley coming and then taking 415 00:21:31,210 --> 00:21:33,570 snaps like that scared me a little bit. 416 00:21:33,570 --> 00:21:36,290 But it's also a guy who hadn't really played football in a 417 00:21:36,290 --> 00:21:37,890 couple years. So I think in my drafts I was 418 00:21:37,890 --> 00:21:40,770 just saying, you know what? What if Kirk can just be a 419 00:21:40,770 --> 00:21:42,130 little bit? What if, you know, Lawrence 420 00:21:42,130 --> 00:21:45,050 takes the jump? Kirk just maintains like this. 421 00:21:45,050 --> 00:21:49,370 Sort of. You know, Quasi alpha share of 422 00:21:49,370 --> 00:21:51,530 the team's offense, which he kind of did last year, right? 423 00:21:51,530 --> 00:21:54,610 Not not a huge target alpha, but he was the leading target earner 424 00:21:54,610 --> 00:21:56,170 there. What if he just maintains that 425 00:21:56,170 --> 00:21:57,450 and the Jaguars get a lot better? 426 00:21:57,450 --> 00:22:00,570 I did sort of see the upside just for the overall offensive 427 00:22:00,570 --> 00:22:02,970 environment. But yeah, I'm a little, I'm a 428 00:22:02,970 --> 00:22:06,530 little concerned, You know, it does make sense in two wide 429 00:22:06,530 --> 00:22:08,010 receiver sets. You know when you get into the 430 00:22:08,010 --> 00:22:11,370 red zone that Zay Jones, he's a much bigger body than Christian 431 00:22:11,370 --> 00:22:15,410 Kirk, probably a better blocker for those type of situations. 432 00:22:15,730 --> 00:22:18,290 It does make sense that he might get squeezed out in some of 433 00:22:18,290 --> 00:22:21,570 those. So yeah, I think it's fair to 434 00:22:21,570 --> 00:22:23,730 dock Kirk. I still would probably. 435 00:22:24,330 --> 00:22:27,170 I view him similar to Lockett, JSN. 436 00:22:28,050 --> 00:22:30,330 I wouldn't dock him much farther than that. 437 00:22:30,330 --> 00:22:34,050 I think he's sort of safely in a tear with those guys, I guess. 438 00:22:34,530 --> 00:22:37,130 Actually, I'm thinking about it and maybe I'd be more likely to 439 00:22:37,130 --> 00:22:41,180 draft him now because if he falls 10 spots, I can see teams 440 00:22:41,180 --> 00:22:44,380 where I'm more likely to like or if he kind of gets into a spot 441 00:22:44,380 --> 00:22:47,180 where like you'll be at a turn and Kirk and Lawrence are going 442 00:22:47,180 --> 00:22:50,300 closer to each other, you know. So structurally it just makes 443 00:22:50,300 --> 00:22:54,020 sense like I can see that happening but just not a 444 00:22:54,020 --> 00:22:55,220 because. Lawrence goes in the middle of 445 00:22:55,220 --> 00:22:57,860 the round, and now right? Doesn't he go in the middle? 446 00:22:57,860 --> 00:23:00,820 And then Ridley is now starting to creep up to the Lawrence. 447 00:23:01,420 --> 00:23:05,340 Lawrence is such a a a random faller like I will be doing like 448 00:23:05,340 --> 00:23:08,980 I was doing a I was doing like a DK $10 slow. 449 00:23:08,980 --> 00:23:11,540 And I opened up this morning. The DK app was down and I 450 00:23:11,540 --> 00:23:14,900 thought I just autoed on like 20 drafts and I was like panicking. 451 00:23:15,100 --> 00:23:17,740 But I opened they they fixed it. It was, it ended up being OK. 452 00:23:17,740 --> 00:23:20,220 But I opened it up and I was like, I think I was on the clock 453 00:23:20,220 --> 00:23:23,860 at 86 and Lawrence was there and I was like, well, sure, I'll 454 00:23:23,860 --> 00:23:25,980 just take him. Like, I'll just take, like, I'll 455 00:23:25,980 --> 00:23:29,140 just, I'll take, I'll take Evan Ingram or Tank Bigsby or like, 456 00:23:29,140 --> 00:23:33,260 whatever. Just because I think quarterback 457 00:23:33,260 --> 00:23:34,900 fault. This is such a a random point. 458 00:23:34,900 --> 00:23:37,100 But quarterback followers on DraftKings like, don't look that 459 00:23:37,100 --> 00:23:39,980 gift horse in the mouth, because quarterbacks never fall on. 460 00:23:39,980 --> 00:23:42,820 DraftKings Give it, then it'll take it the way at quarterback 461 00:23:42,900 --> 00:23:44,620 you will. You will get locked out in 462 00:23:44,620 --> 00:23:48,740 DraftKings like I just took. I just took Derek Carr at 1:25 463 00:23:48,740 --> 00:23:50,820 and 1:00 because all the quarterbacks were gone and I was 464 00:23:50,820 --> 00:23:52,580 like, I'm going to get. I'm going to Sam Howe as my 465 00:23:52,580 --> 00:23:54,260 quarterback too. If I don't do something here, 466 00:23:54,660 --> 00:23:57,700 but it it'll I think late quarterback on DraftKings. 467 00:23:57,700 --> 00:24:00,970 If you get a a faller, a 10/15 spot faller. 468 00:24:01,370 --> 00:24:04,290 Those are potentially very unique teams for the three-week 469 00:24:04,290 --> 00:24:08,570 spread on DraftKings. Yeah, not to get sidetracked in 470 00:24:08,570 --> 00:24:10,730 this conversation, but that's something I've started doing 471 00:24:10,730 --> 00:24:13,130 more this year. Where in the past, like if I had 472 00:24:13,330 --> 00:24:16,410 Naked Burrow Fall 20 picks, fast ADP and I didn't have thing 473 00:24:16,410 --> 00:24:18,650 Answer Chase, I'd be like that's a fish pick to take him. 474 00:24:19,050 --> 00:24:21,850 Now I'm kind of, I'm that guy where if the quarterback falls 475 00:24:21,850 --> 00:24:25,250 like 2 rounds past ADP, I'm just saying like assuming I didn't 476 00:24:25,250 --> 00:24:27,330 already draft my homes or Josh Allen or something like that. 477 00:24:27,330 --> 00:24:29,370 I'm just saying, you know what? I'll take Burrow and I'll get 478 00:24:29,370 --> 00:24:32,170 one of the cheapest like Burrow Irv Smith stacks in the 479 00:24:32,170 --> 00:24:34,290 tournament like that. That could be viable, right? 480 00:24:34,290 --> 00:24:36,810 Like so I think a lot of people would probably say that's dumb 481 00:24:36,810 --> 00:24:38,530 to do that. But once one of these elite 482 00:24:38,530 --> 00:24:42,610 pocket passing quarterback falls like 2 rounds past ADP, I'm just 483 00:24:42,610 --> 00:24:45,930 like, I'm just clicking it. I also think it's it's important 484 00:24:46,730 --> 00:24:47,970 not that you couldn't do that on. 485 00:24:48,350 --> 00:24:50,910 Underdog you certainly could. But on DraftKings, like, there 486 00:24:50,910 --> 00:24:54,310 is also this dynamic of the quarterbacks don't tend to drop 487 00:24:54,510 --> 00:24:58,710 and then you you will like you will get locked out at 488 00:24:58,710 --> 00:25:02,710 quarterback for real, get locked out at quarterback. 489 00:25:02,790 --> 00:25:06,070 And nothing feels worse than trying to save a draft with 490 00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:08,870 being like, OK, I'll take you just and choose her and then 491 00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:12,190 I'll take Mac Jones and then I'll take like, it's just a 492 00:25:12,190 --> 00:25:14,310 nightmare. Like I had an underdog. 493 00:25:14,310 --> 00:25:17,150 I had an underdog one this morning where like I got locked 494 00:25:17,150 --> 00:25:19,760 out, like the two stacks I was setting up. 495 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,480 And so I just like this team is dead. 496 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:25,120 Like it's just a bad team. It's a bad and then it's like 497 00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:28,200 the teams, like there's a lot of the teams are bad because you 498 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,520 look through and it's like, well, someone reached 10 picks 499 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,800 for Geno Smith, even though I had JSN and lock it. 500 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,760 I don't know why they did that, but that's it, you know. 501 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,520 And it's like, so I think if you're going to do that, 502 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,480 Draftings is, it's a very logical place to do it because. 503 00:25:44,250 --> 00:25:45,890 You're protecting that team as well. 504 00:25:45,890 --> 00:25:48,490 In a sense, you're scooping a value, but you're also making 505 00:25:48,490 --> 00:25:51,730 sure you don't get locked out in a format where that can happen. 506 00:25:52,450 --> 00:25:55,610 Yeah, let's move on here to Khalil Herbert. 507 00:25:55,850 --> 00:25:59,050 This is an interesting 1. The Bear starters only played 508 00:25:59,050 --> 00:26:03,210 seven snaps, but Herbert did play 100% of those snaps, with 509 00:26:03,210 --> 00:26:06,410 the starters the order of running backs entering the game. 510 00:26:06,790 --> 00:26:08,910 It was Herbert with the starters, then Foreman came on 511 00:26:08,910 --> 00:26:12,830 next, then Tristan Ebner, who I believe left an injury, and then 512 00:26:13,110 --> 00:26:15,910 Rochon. So that's sort of the default 513 00:26:16,550 --> 00:26:19,470 you know as of now ordering in the Bears backfield. 514 00:26:19,790 --> 00:26:22,270 I hope this one was notable because it was talked about how 515 00:26:22,270 --> 00:26:24,790 Herbert and Foreman were rotating with the ones, but 516 00:26:25,350 --> 00:26:27,030 there were multiple drives the starters got. 517 00:26:27,030 --> 00:26:29,230 Admittedly, they were short drives because there were huge 518 00:26:29,230 --> 00:26:33,190 plays from both Herbert and DJ Moore in this one, so not a ton 519 00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:35,830 of snaps, but Herbert did seem to have sort of a lock. 520 00:26:36,260 --> 00:26:39,420 On the snaps of the stars and this one, Davis, what are your 521 00:26:39,420 --> 00:26:43,100 thoughts on Khalil Herbert coming out of this game? 522 00:26:43,100 --> 00:26:45,500 Are you moving them up at all based on this sort of small 523 00:26:45,500 --> 00:26:48,620 sample of snaps? So this is the kind of stuff I 524 00:26:48,620 --> 00:26:50,860 actually am taking note of. Like I think there's some 525 00:26:50,860 --> 00:26:53,180 preseason stuff you should take note up, Some stuff like the 526 00:26:53,180 --> 00:26:55,700 Eagle stuff that will that we will get into. 527 00:26:55,740 --> 00:26:58,020 It's like, well, actually, if you look at them in the 528 00:26:58,020 --> 00:27:00,500 preseasons past, like they've done weird stuff like this. 529 00:27:00,500 --> 00:27:03,420 And then Siriani said after the game, like, oh, I want all these 530 00:27:03,420 --> 00:27:05,660 guys to get tackled before Week 1, whatever. 531 00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:10,400 But I think it's like a just a pretty clear signal from a Bear 532 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,240 staff that's like trying to figure out how to actually have 533 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,520 a good offense, like a functional offense that Herbert 534 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,200 played all the snaps with Fields got a design target. 535 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:21,480 I don't care what he did with it. 536 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,800 I mean, I guess it's better for him to score a long touchdown 537 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,720 than to like fall over and fumble or whatever, but that's 538 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,800 not really what you care about. And that foreman was playing 539 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,610 with the straight backups. And Rochon, who I still love and 540 00:27:34,610 --> 00:27:37,170 still think is going to play a role, was playing with like the 541 00:27:37,170 --> 00:27:40,130 third stringers for a little bit, like all that stuff. 542 00:27:41,130 --> 00:27:44,810 I I think cumulatively you look at it all, it's a clear signal 543 00:27:44,810 --> 00:27:48,730 that Herbert is the guy they plan on giving the work too 544 00:27:48,730 --> 00:27:50,610 early now. Does that mean he's going to 545 00:27:50,610 --> 00:27:52,650 retain it all year? Does that mean if he blows up, 546 00:27:53,050 --> 00:27:56,530 you know, he gets fields killed three times in past protection, 547 00:27:56,730 --> 00:27:58,010 that they're not going to change something? 548 00:27:58,010 --> 00:28:00,330 No. But it is I think relevant 549 00:28:00,330 --> 00:28:04,560 information that they view him as the primary running back to 550 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,240 start the season. I think that because we didn't 551 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,120 really know. I mean, I think we just really 552 00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:11,120 did not know how they viewed these guys like Foreman playing 553 00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:13,760 in the second quarter is to me matters. 554 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,080 Yeah, it matters to me too. I moved up Herbert a fair 555 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,560 amount. I don't think you want to get 556 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,800 carried away because I do think there's like, what does this 557 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,560 mean? It means that he's likely the 558 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,240 number one back to start the year. 559 00:28:31,690 --> 00:28:34,530 But that does not mean that he's going to keep the job, right? 560 00:28:34,570 --> 00:28:38,570 Rochon could come in and through the past protection side of 561 00:28:38,570 --> 00:28:42,890 things, get on the field and then look good as a rusher and 562 00:28:42,890 --> 00:28:46,210 kind of come in and eat that rushing work over the course of 563 00:28:46,210 --> 00:28:50,130 the year. Because Herbert, the red flag 564 00:28:50,130 --> 00:28:52,330 for him is that he's not a great past protector. 565 00:28:52,330 --> 00:28:54,610 He there's all these stories about how he's, you know, been 566 00:28:54,890 --> 00:28:57,810 been boxing and stuff to try to get better at past protecting. 567 00:28:57,810 --> 00:28:59,090 Like, I don't know, maybe that'll work. 568 00:28:59,090 --> 00:29:01,590 Maybe it won't, but. You know, there's a reason 569 00:29:01,710 --> 00:29:04,630 they're talking about it because it it's a reason to take him off 570 00:29:04,630 --> 00:29:09,310 the field. And I think odds are they 571 00:29:09,310 --> 00:29:12,670 probably will use Rochon or someone else as a pass protector 572 00:29:12,670 --> 00:29:15,270 and that gives someone else an opportunity to come take this 573 00:29:15,270 --> 00:29:19,310 job over the course of the year. And so you want to keep that in 574 00:29:19,310 --> 00:29:20,870 the back of your mind when you're when you're thinking 575 00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:24,910 about selecting Herbert. But like Herbert, verse a J 576 00:29:24,910 --> 00:29:28,910 Dillon, don't. I want Herbert if I need early 577 00:29:28,910 --> 00:29:33,010 season production. No, because the Dillon thesis is 578 00:29:33,010 --> 00:29:35,410 so clear. The dill the Dillon thesis is 579 00:29:35,410 --> 00:29:38,410 that he runs hot on touchdowns, that that this coaching staff 580 00:29:38,410 --> 00:29:40,890 just gives him a shit ton of short yardage. 581 00:29:40,890 --> 00:29:42,290 Or I'm not saying I'm not saying it. 582 00:29:42,330 --> 00:29:45,250 I mean, that was the thesis last year and it didn't play out and 583 00:29:45,250 --> 00:29:49,290 he's a lot cheaper. But also, I mean, I think the 584 00:29:49,290 --> 00:29:51,320 Packers are just going to run. They're. 585 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,440 Gonna run a lot. They're gonna run a lot. 586 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:54,960 And the Bears are gonna run a lot too. 587 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,480 But you also got a segment out 30% of that production to the 588 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,480 starting quarterback, which you don't have to do with the 589 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:02,640 Packers. Sure. 590 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:08,400 But I mean, like if I'm if I have, if I need an RB 2, you 591 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,800 know, I'm already thinking if you have Breece Hall and Alvin 592 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:12,280 Kamara. If I have Breece Hall and Alvin 593 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,720 Kamara, or if I just have Breece Hall, If I just have, you know, 594 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,560 even if I just have like Austin Eckler and I just punted RB 2. 595 00:30:20,100 --> 00:30:22,940 Because guys like Samaji P Ryan are jumping up in my mind, like 596 00:30:22,940 --> 00:30:25,100 do I want Samaji P Ryan or AJ Dillon? 597 00:30:25,180 --> 00:30:27,260 You know, P Ryan goes quite a bit after. 598 00:30:27,580 --> 00:30:29,380 But to me, I'm like, I want Herbert. 599 00:30:29,460 --> 00:30:31,820 I want Herbert over Dylan anytime. 600 00:30:31,820 --> 00:30:36,740 I need those running back points early in the season because I 601 00:30:36,740 --> 00:30:38,380 think you can count. Like at least he gives. 602 00:30:38,500 --> 00:30:39,780 I think he's gonna give you that. 603 00:30:40,100 --> 00:30:42,420 Maybe it's only for a couple weeks, but that's that's 604 00:30:42,420 --> 00:30:43,660 helpful. It's hard to see, yeah, it's 605 00:30:43,660 --> 00:30:45,780 hard to see him losing the job before week one at this point 606 00:30:45,780 --> 00:30:47,780 unless he gets injured, right? Like he's gonna get the first 607 00:30:47,780 --> 00:30:51,920 crack at it and. 95% of scenarios at this point. 608 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,720 I think it is, it is tough, right? 609 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,480 Like Dylan and Charbonnay, those are two guys I was thinking of 610 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,600 like I see how the nut upside case for those two guys is 611 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,480 higher cuz you know they're more proven as pass catchers. 612 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,760 You know they're in offenses where I think the total pie of 613 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,840 running back points is probably higher than in Chicago and an 614 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,880 offense with Justin Fields scrambling and not really 615 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,040 checking down much the running back. 616 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,800 So I think the nut ceiling for Dylan and Charbonnay is higher, 617 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:20,960 but like the. 60 to 85% outcomes I think are now like firmly 618 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,520 better for Herbert. I would think so that that's a 619 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,320 it's but how much how much contingent value how much 620 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,160 contingent value does AJ Dillon have of Aaron Jones gets hurt 621 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,840 because they they're they're their third running backs are 622 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,960 Tyler Goodson and Patrick Taylor who are and those guys are in 623 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,760 like a camp battle like the coaching staff clearly doesn't 624 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,720 feel good about either one of them like AJ Dillon could be he 625 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:48,780 really AJ Dillon is sort of like reverse osmosis Tony Pollard 626 00:31:48,780 --> 00:31:51,100 where he's like maybe the more talented guy in his backfield 627 00:31:51,100 --> 00:31:53,900 but instead of being the the satellite back he's like the 628 00:31:53,900 --> 00:31:56,860 grinder back but the the continued value is sort of 629 00:31:57,100 --> 00:31:58,740 similar. I think he's reversed Tony 630 00:31:58,740 --> 00:32:01,980 Pollard in the sense that, like, he should be the best back in 631 00:32:01,980 --> 00:32:05,740 his backfield because he's good. But Aaron Jones is good and Zeke 632 00:32:05,740 --> 00:32:09,100 was not good. That's sort of the issue, yeah. 633 00:32:10,180 --> 00:32:12,440 Yeah, yeah. It's an interesting one though I 634 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,040 I do think Herbert should rise and I think you know I was kind 635 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:19,680 of considering the Charbonnay the Walker, sorry Charbonnay. 636 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,640 Dylan Tier, head of Herbert firmly. 637 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,040 Now I think I'll have them all grouped together and. 638 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:25,400 That's what kind of matters. I just brought them up. 639 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:30,960 I I have one spot behind Dylan, but if I needed the early season 640 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,240 production I would just take Herbert. 641 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,240 Yeah, let's talk Jalen Warren here. 642 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,600 This is another really interesting situation. 643 00:32:39,010 --> 00:32:43,650 So the Steelers played I believe two series with the offense in 644 00:32:43,650 --> 00:32:48,730 preseason week one, and they split the snaps pretty dead down 645 00:32:48,730 --> 00:32:51,130 the middle between Jalen, Warren, Naji, Harris. 646 00:32:51,130 --> 00:32:55,610 Out of 10 snaps, Warren actually played six and Naji played four 647 00:32:56,210 --> 00:32:58,290 Similar amounts of route runs targets. 648 00:32:59,330 --> 00:33:02,690 Anyways, obviously a really small sample, but this I think 649 00:33:02,690 --> 00:33:07,360 is a pretty. Noteworthy item here because I 650 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,320 think it is a signal that you know I don't expect Warren to be 651 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:14,320 leading this committee 6040 I do think pretty strongly now 652 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,090 whereas last year Naji. Started as sort of the clear 653 00:33:17,090 --> 00:33:20,050 workhorse back and Warren really had to fight to carve out a roll 654 00:33:20,050 --> 00:33:22,010 by the end of the year. I think this year it's going to 655 00:33:22,010 --> 00:33:25,570 start like much closer to, you know, maybe a 6040 committee in 656 00:33:25,570 --> 00:33:27,730 favor of Naji, something along those lines. 657 00:33:27,730 --> 00:33:29,810 So I think this is pretty notable. 658 00:33:30,490 --> 00:33:32,450 Pat, have you moved up Jalen Warren? 659 00:33:32,450 --> 00:33:34,250 I imagine you were already pretty high in him. 660 00:33:34,250 --> 00:33:37,490 Is this sort of got any higher in your rankings than he was 661 00:33:37,490 --> 00:33:39,890 before? Yeah, I mean, sort of like my 662 00:33:39,890 --> 00:33:43,810 rankings incorporate ADP. So we're at this point where 663 00:33:43,810 --> 00:33:45,700 like. Like did I move him up? 664 00:33:45,700 --> 00:33:46,740 Yeah. Like I moved him up. 665 00:33:46,740 --> 00:33:49,300 But you're not gonna, you're not gonna really even know about it 666 00:33:49,300 --> 00:33:52,900 unless the market gets gets wild because he's already ahead of 667 00:33:52,900 --> 00:33:57,420 ADP significantly and now it's just a little further. 668 00:33:57,420 --> 00:34:04,060 So I mean, I've, I've been kind of, there's sort of like a 669 00:34:04,060 --> 00:34:06,900 narrative with Naji, like some of the pushback of like, oh, 670 00:34:06,900 --> 00:34:09,010 like. They're going to ride him like 671 00:34:09,010 --> 00:34:11,730 they don't want to. He was hurt last year. 672 00:34:11,730 --> 00:34:14,130 Jill Moore didn't play as much as you think he did, yadda 673 00:34:14,130 --> 00:34:16,929 yadda. Yeah, but like, I think that, 674 00:34:17,610 --> 00:34:20,010 you know, if that's kind of where you're at, I would 675 00:34:20,010 --> 00:34:22,969 recommend just like going and looking at Naji snap share from 676 00:34:22,969 --> 00:34:26,330 his rookie season where he played 84% of snaps and then 677 00:34:26,330 --> 00:34:29,210 going and looking at last year's snap share where he played 66% 678 00:34:29,210 --> 00:34:33,330 of snaps and wonder. You know, if maybe, maybe that 679 00:34:33,650 --> 00:34:35,889 Nazi they're gonna ride. Nazi thesis is as strong as you 680 00:34:35,889 --> 00:34:37,889 think. Because they already have. 681 00:34:38,250 --> 00:34:39,290 He was hurt. He had to lose. 682 00:34:39,290 --> 00:34:41,530 Frank bro. Yeah, well, he's been hurt every 683 00:34:41,770 --> 00:34:42,290 both of us. Bro. 684 00:34:42,290 --> 00:34:43,929 Please, bro, please. He was hurt. 685 00:34:43,929 --> 00:34:44,889 Bro, please. He was. 686 00:34:44,969 --> 00:34:45,969 Bro, please. I'm telling you. 687 00:34:45,969 --> 00:34:47,170 Please. Remember he's heard his rookie 688 00:34:47,170 --> 00:34:51,170 year too. And yeah, I think Warren is 689 00:34:51,170 --> 00:34:53,170 gonna be, I think he'll have a role. 690 00:34:53,170 --> 00:34:55,929 I mean, I think he's gonna be a backup in a sense and and kind 691 00:34:55,929 --> 00:34:57,930 of rotate in, but you're getting. 692 00:34:58,830 --> 00:35:03,630 In best ball the potential for a few catches, maybe a touchdown, 693 00:35:03,670 --> 00:35:05,790 right? Cuz he is coming in and and he's 694 00:35:05,790 --> 00:35:08,910 the he's the best pass protector on the team and he's big enough 695 00:35:08,910 --> 00:35:12,110 he's like £215 or maybe he gets in the end zone for you a couple 696 00:35:12,110 --> 00:35:14,710 weeks. It is mostly a contingent place. 697 00:35:14,710 --> 00:35:16,670 Still like I don't think anything's really changed. 698 00:35:16,670 --> 00:35:19,510 Like I still am skeptical that he takes the job. 699 00:35:20,190 --> 00:35:24,510 I think he's the better back and I don't really see any evidence 700 00:35:24,750 --> 00:35:26,470 to the contrary, to be honest, but. 701 00:35:27,020 --> 00:35:29,180 I don't think the Steelers are going to just give him the job 702 00:35:29,180 --> 00:35:31,460 like that's. That would definitely be pretty 703 00:35:31,460 --> 00:35:33,860 surprising, given what we know about the NFL. 704 00:35:34,940 --> 00:35:37,140 Yeah, Davis, you have any thoughts on Jalen? 705 00:35:37,140 --> 00:35:42,540 Warren Well, So what I thought, well, OK, so the original thesis 706 00:35:42,740 --> 00:35:45,340 and Gretch has written about this and we've talked about it 707 00:35:45,340 --> 00:35:47,900 here, is that like year three is kind of the year when you give 708 00:35:47,900 --> 00:35:50,820 up on just giving rookies, the highly drafted rookies playing 709 00:35:50,820 --> 00:35:53,300 time just because you spent a first round pick on them. 710 00:35:53,300 --> 00:35:55,220 It's what happened to Clyde over to Lair last year. 711 00:35:55,580 --> 00:35:59,340 That's sort of the base case for just not giving Naji the 712 00:35:59,340 --> 00:36:00,740 touches. But then the other thing that 713 00:36:00,740 --> 00:36:04,340 was interesting was that, and this could just be a preseason 714 00:36:04,340 --> 00:36:06,740 experiment and it could totally change when the bullets start 715 00:36:06,740 --> 00:36:14,020 flying, is that Naji stayed. He came off the field on 2 long 716 00:36:14,020 --> 00:36:16,620 down distance snaps, but then they also played Jail and Warren 717 00:36:16,620 --> 00:36:20,200 on a first and 10, which they very rarely did last year. 718 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,800 So maybe more of like a rotational style basis where 719 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:27,360 it's not OK Naji's the Grinder and Jalen Warren is the the scat 720 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,120 back. But actually we just play these 721 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,000 two guys both and it just sort of doesn't matter. 722 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,560 That's why. I mean, my highest drafted guy 723 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,360 last year was Rashad White, and part of it is that I got to bet 724 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,920 against an incumbent starter who I thought was looking pretty 725 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,320 vulnerable and Leonard Fournette. 726 00:36:45,180 --> 00:36:47,220 Part of it is that I was getting to bet on a guy who can catch 727 00:36:47,220 --> 00:36:52,700 passes, but the other big part of it is that Rashad White is 728 00:36:52,700 --> 00:36:57,380 217 pounds, Jalen Warren is £215, he's 5/8, he's short guy, 729 00:36:57,380 --> 00:37:01,860 but he's he's compact, he he packs a punch like we're getting 730 00:37:02,140 --> 00:37:06,380 not a scat back here, We're getting a guy who can rotate 731 00:37:06,380 --> 00:37:10,020 series, you know? So maybe that's the outcome we 732 00:37:10,020 --> 00:37:12,330 get here. Like we got with Rashad White 733 00:37:12,330 --> 00:37:14,530 last year, by the end of the season they were fully rotating. 734 00:37:14,530 --> 00:37:19,730 Series makes Nausea a very dangerous pick I think in the 735 00:37:19,730 --> 00:37:23,210 same way for that was last year and like Rashad White didn't 736 00:37:23,210 --> 00:37:25,610 really pay off in a huge way last year. 737 00:37:25,610 --> 00:37:27,810 I think it a below average advance rate like ninth round 738 00:37:27,810 --> 00:37:29,570 ADP. But Warren is cheaper. 739 00:37:30,010 --> 00:37:32,610 And also like I feel good about making that bet. 740 00:37:32,610 --> 00:37:36,450 Like if I can make the bet where the guy forces his way into like 741 00:37:36,450 --> 00:37:40,560 a split by the end of the year. And the contingent value never 742 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,240 materializes like Oh well you know it's not always going to 743 00:37:43,240 --> 00:37:44,640 materialize but I think it's there. 744 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,520 Well, the contingent value doesn't materialize a lot of the 745 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,800 time. I think that is like a Reebs 746 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,920 actually is the most intelligent guy like when I do drafts of 747 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,640 them at realizing this that like we can wish cast on all these 748 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,800 guys. But like the contingent value, 749 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,880 you know your Tony Pollard comes in and scores 30 points for 750 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,640 three games or Alexander Madison gets two spot starts against the 751 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,690 Lions. Like those are truly best case 752 00:38:08,690 --> 00:38:12,330 scenarios like 1 starters don't get injured in a way that you 753 00:38:12,330 --> 00:38:14,570 anticipate like it just doesn't happen. 754 00:38:14,890 --> 00:38:18,530 Like not every running back gets hurt and then also you know you 755 00:38:18,530 --> 00:38:21,970 get your Isaiah Crowell's and your Emir Abdullah's you know 756 00:38:21,970 --> 00:38:24,730 the coming in there to to steal snaps here and there a little 757 00:38:24,730 --> 00:38:26,490 bit. The the nice thing about Warren 758 00:38:26,490 --> 00:38:28,330 is that I think he he does have both though. 759 00:38:28,330 --> 00:38:31,930 He's got a little bit of standalone and he's got quite a 760 00:38:31,930 --> 00:38:35,620 good bit of, you know, of of contingent value because they 761 00:38:35,900 --> 00:38:38,940 don't really seem to like McFarland and Snell's not even 762 00:38:38,940 --> 00:38:40,700 on the roster anymore and stuff like that. 763 00:38:41,060 --> 00:38:44,300 Yeah, there's been some very minor Anthony McFarland buzz 764 00:38:44,300 --> 00:38:46,460 this off season, but it's like guys, he's been on the roster. 765 00:38:46,460 --> 00:38:48,940 Make the roster. He's been on the roster for four 766 00:38:48,940 --> 00:38:51,060 years now and is like barely played. 767 00:38:51,060 --> 00:38:54,460 Like I yeah, I think what you said that is true. 768 00:38:54,460 --> 00:38:57,940 Like the positive buzz on him is like meaning he's gonna make the 769 00:38:57,940 --> 00:39:00,100 roster. Not that he's due for any type 770 00:39:00,100 --> 00:39:01,900 of role. You know, we saw last year it 771 00:39:01,900 --> 00:39:05,240 was very much. I think Warren missed a little 772 00:39:05,240 --> 00:39:07,960 bit of time and that's when Snell factored in last year, but 773 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,400 it was very strictly A2 man backfield last year for like the 774 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,480 entire season. Besides I think a couple of 775 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,280 games where Jalen Warren was banged up. 776 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,960 Besides that, it was Naji, Jalen Warren, nobody else, which I 777 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,640 think you love to see. We never really got to see if 778 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,840 the contingent upside case became a reality because Naji 779 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,600 didn't miss any time, but I feel pretty good. 780 00:39:29,260 --> 00:39:31,620 About it, given that Jalen Warne has shown, you know, he's a big 781 00:39:31,620 --> 00:39:34,580 back, he's shown he can do a little in the passing game, you 782 00:39:34,580 --> 00:39:36,460 know, I think he can handle the short yardage, so. 783 00:39:37,180 --> 00:39:38,660 And there's a price pretty good about it. 784 00:39:39,260 --> 00:39:42,620 There's a price at which like he better be the Alexander Madison 785 00:39:42,620 --> 00:39:45,580 level backup, you know, like and that yeah, price is probably 786 00:39:45,580 --> 00:39:47,940 like he's getting there, getting there. 787 00:39:47,940 --> 00:39:50,820 It's trending that direction. Yeah, but he's, but he's, I 788 00:39:50,820 --> 00:39:53,180 don't think he's there yet. Like if you're taking him even 789 00:39:53,180 --> 00:39:55,820 the 11th round, which is you're probably, you're reaching ahead 790 00:39:55,820 --> 00:39:59,100 of ADP to take him in the 11. Well, I think if he gets to that 791 00:39:59,820 --> 00:40:02,460 range of guys we were just talking about the Herbert 792 00:40:02,740 --> 00:40:04,780 Charbonne, Dylan range like that. 793 00:40:04,780 --> 00:40:08,220 I think he's like a bad clique. Yeah, like, I feel comfortable 794 00:40:08,220 --> 00:40:10,180 drafting him ahead of Damian Harris. 795 00:40:10,180 --> 00:40:11,700 Maybe we'll talk about that situation later. 796 00:40:11,700 --> 00:40:14,180 I feel comfortable drafting him ahead of Jamal Williams. 797 00:40:14,500 --> 00:40:17,740 You know, I think it'd have to get up to like, I guess maybe 798 00:40:17,740 --> 00:40:20,060 I'm low on P Ryan, so I'm not a good data point for that. 799 00:40:20,060 --> 00:40:24,060 But I think like him versus P Ryan, like what's really the 800 00:40:24,060 --> 00:40:26,180 difference there? I mean, I think I'd prefer 801 00:40:26,380 --> 00:40:28,340 Purin's. Gonna play Purin's gonna play a 802 00:40:28,340 --> 00:40:32,220 lot, I think, I guess. But Duvante's already like, 803 00:40:32,220 --> 00:40:34,180 fully. It's what do you need clear for 804 00:40:34,180 --> 00:40:35,820 contact. Like, I don't know. 805 00:40:35,820 --> 00:40:39,220 He's gonna play a bit. But like later the season, who 806 00:40:39,220 --> 00:40:41,220 do I think has a better chance of playing a lot. 807 00:40:42,220 --> 00:40:44,500 I think it's really close. And then it's like Steelers 808 00:40:44,500 --> 00:40:48,220 offense versus Denver's offense. I don't know. 809 00:40:48,220 --> 00:40:48,900 It's close. It's. 810 00:40:49,020 --> 00:40:51,780 Probably a wash, probably, yeah. Probably a wash. 811 00:40:52,260 --> 00:40:56,760 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, let's talk Rondell 812 00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,600 here, This one. So this one's interesting. 813 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,440 A couple things to talk through. One, a lot of the Cardinals key 814 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,120 starters sat out the game, I don't believe due to injury. 815 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:11,120 Just rest for the key starters. That was James Connor, Marquis 816 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,240 Brown and Trey McBride all didn't play. 817 00:41:13,240 --> 00:41:15,160 They just got the day off. So I think those guys are like 818 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,400 key locked in starters in the offense, which we all expected. 819 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,320 Then the other wide receivers that played it was Michael 820 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,760 Wilson and Zach Pascal on the outside and Rondell Moore was 821 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,320 limited to slot only he did. You know the one positive note? 822 00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:31,480 Sorry Davis, he did play pretty clearly ahead of our guy, Greg 823 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,000 Dorch. So at least it. 824 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,320 Appears I've completely I've completely capitulated on dorch. 825 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,480 I think I've taken Michael Wilson and every draft I've done 826 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,880 for the last four days I I'm like working my way up to like 827 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,160 16%. Michael Wilson. 828 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:46,400 I I am. I'm done. 829 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,960 I'm done with the Dorch takes. I love it anyways, so I think 830 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,760 that's interesting. And so there's two reasons I'm 831 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,920 out on more at his price. One, I think baked into his 832 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,440 price a little bit was the chance to be played in two wide 833 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,760 receiver sets. Last year he actually did do 834 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,080 that quite a bit, just by the side. 835 00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,400 So it's like okay. He did it last year, maybe he 836 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,280 can do it again this year. The preseason usage was really 837 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,560 bearish for him on that. And then number two, I think 838 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,490 there's some chance that it could be in three wide receiver 839 00:42:13,490 --> 00:42:15,610 sets, at least in for some percentage of three wide 840 00:42:15,610 --> 00:42:17,970 receiver sets. It could be Marquis Brown in the 841 00:42:17,970 --> 00:42:21,290 slot and then Pascal and Michael Wilson on the outside because 842 00:42:21,290 --> 00:42:24,570 Marquis Brown has always been a guy who gets a lot of play in 843 00:42:24,570 --> 00:42:26,170 the slot in three wide receiver sets. 844 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,760 So I don't think that's going to be like the base rotation for 845 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,160 them. But I don't think it's a 846 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,480 situation where we can say more is projected for 100% of the 847 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,920 snaps and three wide receiver sets particularly by the end of 848 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:37,560 the year. You know they do seem to like 849 00:42:37,720 --> 00:42:40,720 Zach Pascal on the outside and maybe they prefer that 850 00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:43,040 alignment. So to me it's just I don't know. 851 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,480 I do get like the targets for route run stuff with more I get 852 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,560 we liked him as a prospect but man we're we're paying a pretty 853 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:53,600 high price for a guy who looks like at best a slot only wide 854 00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,400 receiver on the Clayton tune lead Arizona Cardinal. 855 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,760 And I'm just like man give me Michael Gallup. 856 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,960 Give me Darnell Mooney. Give me Jacoby Myers. 857 00:43:01,240 --> 00:43:04,600 Even give me guys going later Marvin Mims Jonathan Mingo. 858 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,080 Like I just don't get why we have to pay this much of A 859 00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,600 premium for the slot only wide receiver on the Arizona 860 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:17,060 Cardinals even DPJ. Like, why should DPJ go 30 picks 861 00:43:17,060 --> 00:43:18,780 later than Rondale Moore? Like, that's a much better 862 00:43:18,780 --> 00:43:19,580 offense. I think there's. 863 00:43:19,620 --> 00:43:21,740 Actually, just like, can we stop with Donald? 864 00:43:21,900 --> 00:43:22,700 I don't know. I just. 865 00:43:22,740 --> 00:43:25,100 He might lose the job, is why by the end of the year. 866 00:43:25,620 --> 00:43:29,820 Rondale like I if Rondale ends up at like wide receiver 65, 867 00:43:29,820 --> 00:43:32,020 I'll probably just draft him. Like I don't know. 868 00:43:32,020 --> 00:43:34,900 He see like Rondale just so is what he is. 869 00:43:34,900 --> 00:43:37,140 He's gonna have a bunch of he's gonna have a bunch of bad games 870 00:43:37,140 --> 00:43:41,820 and you just need him to do 3. Like sick Rondale Moore. 871 00:43:41,820 --> 00:43:43,700 Things like his first career start. 872 00:43:43,700 --> 00:43:46,300 He scored a 75 yard touchdown against the Vikings. 873 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,320 Like just do that for me three times and he's a good pick. 874 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:55,680 Yeah, I do think that where he was going and even where he 875 00:43:55,680 --> 00:44:00,120 currently still is going, isn't is bad because if you're taking 876 00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,320 a receiver there, you probably need that receiver. 877 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,840 Yes, that's like. Your wide receiver 5, probably. 878 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,640 You know, like if you're going receiver there, you're like, oh, 879 00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,520 I'd better take care of this before it gets really ugly, 880 00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:14,680 like. Well, guess what? 881 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,240 It already did get ugly, because you're taking a guy who's a slot 882 00:44:17,240 --> 00:44:19,240 receiver. It's a great point with Marquis 883 00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:21,360 Brown that had not. I haven't heard anyone bring 884 00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,120 that up. That had not occurred to me. 885 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:27,640 But yeah, he's played 30% of his career snaps in the slot, 35%. 886 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:31,320 Last year. We heard for a while that Zach 887 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,400 Pascal was was like a guy who was going to be someone 888 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,120 involved, seemed to be ahead of door, just the wide receiver for 889 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,360 it would not be surprising if they used him on the outside so 890 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:40,760 they can move Brown into the slot. 891 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,360 They don't trust more on the outside. 892 00:44:42,830 --> 00:44:46,030 You got to keep the spirit of Cliff Kingsbury alive by playing 893 00:44:46,070 --> 00:44:50,150 like a slow guy who earns no targets ahead of like the young 894 00:44:50,150 --> 00:44:53,350 fast play Who was the He was an old Texas Andre. 895 00:44:53,390 --> 00:44:58,310 Andre Bacalia was playing, was playing like 70% of the snaps 896 00:44:58,310 --> 00:45:00,150 ahead of Dorch and Rondale at one point. 897 00:45:00,630 --> 00:45:02,430 Who was the other guy? Antoine Wesley. 898 00:45:02,510 --> 00:45:04,590 Antoine Wesley because. That was it. 899 00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:05,750 That was it. There we go. 900 00:45:05,910 --> 00:45:08,550 He was a Texas Tech guy that Cliff recruited back in the day. 901 00:45:08,710 --> 00:45:11,030 But you know, it's a similar thing because Wesley was playing 902 00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:13,020 on the outside. Yep. 903 00:45:13,300 --> 00:45:14,540 Yeah. And they didn't want to play 904 00:45:14,540 --> 00:45:16,980 Rondell Moore on the outside. And so, like, basically like 905 00:45:16,980 --> 00:45:20,380 anyone in the NFL is eligible to play ahead of Rondell Moore on 906 00:45:20,380 --> 00:45:23,340 the outside is the problem because he's he's very small. 907 00:45:23,340 --> 00:45:28,700 It makes sense, right? So, so, yeah, I I think, I 908 00:45:28,700 --> 00:45:31,660 think, yeah, you don't want to be drafting Rondell Moore where 909 00:45:31,660 --> 00:45:24,820 he's going right now. Like. 910 00:45:32,380 --> 00:45:36,500 I've lowered him substantially and again, partly because like 911 00:45:36,540 --> 00:45:40,700 he he wasn't really priced as a OK, I guess we'll see what. 912 00:45:41,110 --> 00:45:44,150 What we get out of this dude and And how high is the ceiling, 913 00:45:44,190 --> 00:45:45,830 right. Like, if I want ceiling, why 914 00:45:45,870 --> 00:45:46,990 don't I just take Marvin? That great. 915 00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:49,110 Ceiling. You know, why wouldn't I take 916 00:45:49,110 --> 00:45:50,070 Jonathan Mingo? What? 917 00:45:50,430 --> 00:45:53,430 Like, let me actually bet on a rookie who could emerge down the 918 00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:57,710 stretch into a big role. I don't think I have that with 919 00:45:57,710 --> 00:45:59,790 Moore. Like he's capped in terms of his 920 00:45:59,830 --> 00:46:02,550 his snaps probably. Yeah. 921 00:46:03,130 --> 00:46:05,090 Yeah. I never really, I I never really 922 00:46:05,090 --> 00:46:06,650 got it with more. I think there was a brief period 923 00:46:06,650 --> 00:46:08,890 where people brought up look he did play in two wide receiver 924 00:46:08,890 --> 00:46:10,810 sets last year. But man, anything Cliff 925 00:46:10,810 --> 00:46:13,050 Kingsbury did last year, I'm kind of thrown out in the 926 00:46:13,050 --> 00:46:14,530 garbage with this. No coaching staff. 927 00:46:14,530 --> 00:46:17,090 Like I don't think using Rondell Moore on the outside in two wide 928 00:46:17,090 --> 00:46:19,490 receiver sets was a successful way to run an offense. 929 00:46:19,490 --> 00:46:21,650 It certainly didn't work very well last year for the 930 00:46:21,650 --> 00:46:23,930 Cardinals. So I'm kind of, I'm kind of 931 00:46:23,930 --> 00:46:26,290 tossing that data point out. Let's move on. 932 00:46:26,290 --> 00:46:28,170 Here it's been tearing up camp, like, yeah. 933 00:46:29,170 --> 00:46:31,450 The beat writers are like he is the dude. 934 00:46:31,450 --> 00:46:33,290 Like he's playing on the outside. 935 00:46:33,290 --> 00:46:36,090 If he's not, maybe Pascal starts week one or something on the 936 00:46:36,090 --> 00:46:38,010 outside, but he's holding the job for Wilson. 937 00:46:38,010 --> 00:46:41,450 Like there's a guy they like on the outside alongside Brown, 938 00:46:41,890 --> 00:46:45,250 which again is like you. It just it. 939 00:46:45,290 --> 00:46:46,290 I don't know. I don't really. 940 00:46:46,450 --> 00:46:49,610 It's very difficult to see how on earth Rondo Moore would would 941 00:46:49,610 --> 00:46:51,970 not just be a slot only guy at this point. 942 00:46:51,970 --> 00:46:53,090 It's hard. It's hard to see. 943 00:46:53,090 --> 00:46:56,460 And the price again slot only guys like I compared him to 944 00:46:56,460 --> 00:46:59,220 Hunter Renfro in a tweet. Maybe that was like a bit of an 945 00:46:59,220 --> 00:47:02,140 exaggeration but it's like that's if you want like a locked 946 00:47:02,140 --> 00:47:05,620 in slot only guy like you can get that like very late in 947 00:47:05,620 --> 00:47:09,740 drafts like I don't get why. Again, Rondell, you can say he 948 00:47:09,740 --> 00:47:11,140 has more upside than Hunter Renfro. 949 00:47:11,140 --> 00:47:15,110 Whatever, man. I mean, Rondell has zero 1000 950 00:47:15,190 --> 00:47:13,230 yard seasons. Hunter Runfro put up a. 951 00:47:16,070 --> 00:47:19,510 Runfro has 1000 yard season. Runfro is pretty good. 952 00:47:19,550 --> 00:47:21,870 I take Runfro sometimes. I never tell anyone about it. 953 00:47:22,670 --> 00:47:25,470 But I do it, I think. I think Renfro is a Chad pick. 954 00:47:25,470 --> 00:47:29,230 Honestly I like Renfro, he was. I took him whenever two years 955 00:47:29,230 --> 00:47:32,110 ago when he absolutely smashes cuz it's like hey man, if I'm 956 00:47:32,110 --> 00:47:34,910 buying the slot only Chad. Pick in this context. 957 00:47:35,690 --> 00:47:38,690 Like Chad Pic is being like I don't care what fucking virgins 958 00:47:38,690 --> 00:47:41,530 on Twitter say when I screenshot my teams like I think Renfro 959 00:47:41,690 --> 00:47:44,210 like I think Renfro might be better than Jacoby Myers. 960 00:47:45,250 --> 00:47:50,290 It's a high come to Renfro. In this context, in this 961 00:47:50,290 --> 00:47:52,570 context, because it's it's anti cabal. 962 00:47:52,570 --> 00:47:55,610 It's anti it's anti the best ball thought leaders you know 963 00:47:55,610 --> 00:47:58,970 like anytime, like like. No one posts screenshots of 964 00:47:58,970 --> 00:48:01,450 their teams being like I took Naji Harris. 965 00:48:01,950 --> 00:48:06,150 And Miles Sanders on this team and everyone's like, yes, sick 966 00:48:06,150 --> 00:48:08,590 dude. Like the people who draft those 967 00:48:08,590 --> 00:48:12,430 guys don't share their teams. You know, it's like, it's like 968 00:48:12,430 --> 00:48:14,870 they don't wanna, they're not involved in the conversation. 969 00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:17,150 They get shamed. I've been consistently ahead of 970 00:48:17,150 --> 00:48:20,230 ATP on Hunter Renfro and I'm at 9% on Underdog. 971 00:48:20,230 --> 00:48:23,770 So yeah. I'm just just we love to see my 972 00:48:23,770 --> 00:48:24,850 life, dude. High tea. 973 00:48:24,970 --> 00:48:27,930 That's the you know if you're gonna take slot only guys on bad 974 00:48:27,930 --> 00:48:30,330 offenses, you know take him. Take him in the 16th round. 975 00:48:30,330 --> 00:48:32,290 Not in, not in the 11th and 12th. 976 00:48:32,690 --> 00:48:34,010 It's. Good advice. 977 00:48:34,450 --> 00:48:36,330 Let's go to the biggest risers here. 978 00:48:40,290 --> 00:48:37,530 Yeah. Cream on tops the list. 979 00:48:37,530 --> 00:48:40,210 I don't really wanna talk about that cuz I don't really get. 980 00:48:40,450 --> 00:48:41,450 Don't. Don't do this. 981 00:48:41,450 --> 00:48:43,010 This is stupid. Like, don't. 982 00:48:43,010 --> 00:48:46,490 Yeah, he's probably gonna sign somewhere, but Nope. 983 00:48:46,530 --> 00:48:47,570 Anyways. There there is a. 984 00:48:47,610 --> 00:48:49,290 There is a take away here which is that. 985 00:48:50,290 --> 00:48:54,530 Kareem Hunt could literally like sign as like the 5th running 986 00:48:54,530 --> 00:48:57,890 back on. I don't know what's the most 987 00:48:57,890 --> 00:48:59,250 crowded running backed up chart in the. 988 00:48:59,570 --> 00:49:01,690 Like he could sign for the Buckles or something. 989 00:49:01,890 --> 00:49:02,810 Yeah. The Bucks, yeah. 990 00:49:03,090 --> 00:49:05,330 Yeah, yeah he could. Yeah, the Eagles, the Bucks, 991 00:49:05,330 --> 00:49:07,650 whatever. And his ADP would move up by 10 992 00:49:07,650 --> 00:49:09,690 spots. Like if you're cuz you're 993 00:49:09,690 --> 00:49:11,610 seeing. And this is relevant because 994 00:49:11,930 --> 00:49:15,130 Zeke falls and drafts now. Fournette falls and drafts now. 995 00:49:15,530 --> 00:49:17,210 They've all, they've all met with teams. 996 00:49:17,410 --> 00:49:19,660 They've all. Been interested in playing 997 00:49:19,660 --> 00:49:22,900 football this year. Hunt was actually the one I was 998 00:49:22,900 --> 00:49:25,340 worried about because I hadn't heard anything about him. 999 00:49:25,340 --> 00:49:27,740 Now he's looking like very likely to play this year. 1000 00:49:28,260 --> 00:49:32,700 These guys are all unlikely to willful or us and they're all 1001 00:49:32,700 --> 00:49:36,740 going to move up a lot in a DP when they sign with someone as 1002 00:49:36,740 --> 00:49:38,340 Hunt. I mean, Hunt going to the Saints 1003 00:49:38,340 --> 00:49:41,220 was like before this Miller stuff was like a worst case 1004 00:49:41,220 --> 00:49:44,060 scenario. It's like there's a starter. 1005 00:49:44,060 --> 00:49:46,700 There's a young guy, there's a guy they signed to. 1006 00:49:47,110 --> 00:49:49,510 Be the fill in, dude. Like, why would we even want 1007 00:49:49,510 --> 00:49:52,630 Hunt if he's with the Saints? But yet his ADP moved up. 1008 00:49:53,350 --> 00:49:55,230 Yeah, that's true. It doesn't matter. 1009 00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:56,830 That's the lesson. It doesn't matter. 1010 00:49:56,830 --> 00:49:58,350 The landing spot. I think Hopkins is a good 1011 00:49:58,350 --> 00:50:00,750 example of this too. Probably one of the worst 1012 00:50:00,750 --> 00:50:03,190 landing spots in Tennessee for him, right? 1013 00:50:03,190 --> 00:50:06,350 And he, I think, moves slightly up or at least stayed put, even 1014 00:50:06,350 --> 00:50:08,670 when there was, you know, upside outcomes on the table like the 1015 00:50:08,670 --> 00:50:11,150 Chiefs and the Bills. That could have sent us a DP 1016 00:50:11,150 --> 00:50:13,820 Skyrocketing. Anyways, it's it's weird how the 1017 00:50:13,820 --> 00:50:17,140 markets react to this stuff. Reminder, this is not like the 1018 00:50:17,140 --> 00:50:19,340 stock market, guys. There's still some weird 1019 00:50:19,340 --> 00:50:20,900 inefficient behavior in these markets. 1020 00:50:21,060 --> 00:50:22,860 And yeah, there's not bots, just. 1021 00:50:24,500 --> 00:50:27,540 Yeah, I don't remember who made this point, but it's so smart. 1022 00:50:27,980 --> 00:50:29,900 I've been one of you guys. I don't. 1023 00:50:29,900 --> 00:50:34,620 But like the idea of I I draft teams, not exposures. 1024 00:50:34,740 --> 00:50:37,580 You know, like that. That seems sort of relevant. 1025 00:50:37,660 --> 00:50:40,490 Like sure, maybe you get. Maybe you get a shit ton of 1026 00:50:40,490 --> 00:50:43,210 closing line value on Kareem Hunt, but then like, you've got 1027 00:50:43,210 --> 00:50:46,010 Kareem Hunt on your teams and he might like just be. 1028 00:50:46,010 --> 00:50:49,610 Yeah, now you have Kareem Hunt. Congrats. 1029 00:50:49,610 --> 00:50:51,370 Congrats. You won the CLV lottery. 1030 00:50:51,730 --> 00:50:53,850 You have to use Kareem Hunt's points all year. 1031 00:50:55,250 --> 00:50:58,170 Yeah, don't. Don't search for Julio. 1032 00:50:58,330 --> 00:51:00,890 My Julio Jones CLV takes in August last year. 1033 00:51:00,890 --> 00:51:03,130 I think, Pat, you would have walked on that grenade with me, 1034 00:51:03,130 --> 00:51:04,740 but. I was there, I was. 1035 00:51:04,820 --> 00:51:06,700 I was having. I had some victory perhaps in 1036 00:51:06,700 --> 00:51:09,340 like July when he signed up with the box and like look at the CLV 1037 00:51:09,420 --> 00:51:13,500 value surprisingly didn't want any money on those Vilio Jones 1038 00:51:13,500 --> 00:51:13,980 teams. I don't know. 1039 00:51:13,980 --> 00:51:16,660 I don't know what happened, but. The one thing that into it. 1040 00:51:17,300 --> 00:51:20,220 Look, if we're all gonna step on, you know, Leonard Fournette 1041 00:51:20,300 --> 00:51:26,020 landmines, what I will say is at least you won't draft any tenth 1042 00:51:26,020 --> 00:51:28,380 round Leonard Fournette. You know when he signs with 1043 00:51:28,380 --> 00:51:30,740 whatever team like you're gonna have all the line of four net 1044 00:51:30,740 --> 00:51:32,140 you need. You're gonna have all the Zeke 1045 00:51:32,140 --> 00:51:34,820 Ellie you need, right? So someone's gonna be drafting 1046 00:51:35,020 --> 00:51:37,380 10th, 11th round Zeke when he signs somewhere right. 1047 00:51:37,620 --> 00:51:39,740 It won't be you at least if you get it now. 1048 00:51:40,020 --> 00:51:43,980 Now you will have dead roster spot where you drafted but but 1049 00:51:43,980 --> 00:51:45,300 at least you won't take him in the 11th. 1050 00:51:46,220 --> 00:51:47,460 Yeah, it's. Good advice. 1051 00:51:48,020 --> 00:51:49,860 Anyways, let's let's talk Tank Dell. 1052 00:51:49,860 --> 00:51:53,140 This one is a little convoluted, so I'll try to. 1053 00:51:53,180 --> 00:51:56,530 We got, we got. This is the pursuit of 1054 00:51:56,530 --> 00:51:58,370 slappiness. Pic of the year that that 1055 00:51:58,370 --> 00:52:00,970 amazing video. That amazing video that Lou 1056 00:52:00,970 --> 00:52:03,010 made. He needs to he needs to do a 1057 00:52:03,010 --> 00:52:07,770 remix with showing screenshots of Tank Dell at a pick 136 like 1058 00:52:08,170 --> 00:52:10,050 guys. He's fun. 1059 00:52:10,330 --> 00:52:13,370 He's got a cool name. He was so good in college. 1060 00:52:13,690 --> 00:52:19,050 We are talking about like a like 2-2 Atwell but maybe the wide 1061 00:52:19,050 --> 00:52:21,010 receiver 5 on the Houston Texans. 1062 00:52:21,330 --> 00:52:23,570 I know, I know. He's fun. 1063 00:52:23,980 --> 00:52:27,780 I know he's fun. But this this ain't it Chief. 1064 00:52:27,940 --> 00:52:29,700 Yeah. Like he he literally I think is 1065 00:52:29,700 --> 00:52:32,380 the wide receiver 5 on the Texans even after his good 1066 00:52:32,380 --> 00:52:35,060 preseason game. And I know he scored a touchdown 1067 00:52:35,260 --> 00:52:36,980 but the touchdown was an accident. 1068 00:52:37,100 --> 00:52:39,140 It was like a bomb. Yeah, it was like a bomb. 1069 00:52:39,180 --> 00:52:40,620 Yeah, but look what that did for Sky Moore. 1070 00:52:40,620 --> 00:52:44,900 He's a starter now. Oh my God. 1071 00:52:45,060 --> 00:52:47,860 Also his second biggest highlight of of the night was 1072 00:52:47,860 --> 00:52:52,430 like like a screen, like a slant pattern and like pre event 1073 00:52:52,430 --> 00:52:54,190 coverage. We're literally, he didn't even 1074 00:52:54,190 --> 00:52:56,670 have to run a route like he said to run wide open and then he 1075 00:52:56,670 --> 00:52:59,070 took it like 20 yards like down the field. 1076 00:52:59,070 --> 00:53:02,150 It's like this is like the preseason highlight 1077 00:53:02,150 --> 00:53:03,830 overreaction. I think it was also that this 1078 00:53:03,830 --> 00:53:07,030 was the first preseason game so it got a lot of like spotlighted 1079 00:53:07,030 --> 00:53:10,590 attention. Totally this this is bad guys. 1080 00:53:10,710 --> 00:53:12,270 So no. OK, I'll break it down a little 1081 00:53:12,270 --> 00:53:13,310 bit. Why Davis is saying he's the 1082 00:53:13,310 --> 00:53:15,990 wide receiver 5 because that might seem outlandish, but I 1083 00:53:15,990 --> 00:53:18,430 think it's actually like close to the correct take. 1084 00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:22,720 Noah Brown, which is surprising, and Robert Woods both got the 1085 00:53:22,720 --> 00:53:25,760 night off, which I think actually suggests they're like 1086 00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,720 locked in starters. Surprising with Brown makes 1087 00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:33,720 sense with Woods, Nikko and Tank Del and John Mechi were the 1088 00:53:33,720 --> 00:53:35,440 three wide receivers that played with the starters in the 1089 00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:39,240 preseason game. So I think my lean right now 1090 00:53:39,240 --> 00:53:43,400 would be it's Niko Woods and Noah Brown is the starting three 1091 00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,660 wide receiver set for the Texans with Mechi and Dell kind of 1092 00:53:46,660 --> 00:53:49,980 competing for that wide receiver force lot to start the year 1093 00:53:50,500 --> 00:53:52,020 again. If you want to take Dell with 1094 00:53:52,020 --> 00:53:54,820 your 18th round pick, I think that's totally fine. 1095 00:53:54,820 --> 00:53:56,500 I was doing that a little bit, yeah. 1096 00:53:56,620 --> 00:53:57,620 That's totally fine. Yeah. 1097 00:53:57,700 --> 00:53:59,900 Yeah. The rise in a DP like this isn't 1098 00:53:59,900 --> 00:54:02,020 a guy that I'm. I'm chasing. 1099 00:54:02,020 --> 00:54:04,100 I guess 193 sure that if you take. 1100 00:54:04,140 --> 00:54:08,720 It there, but I like. Michael Wilson a lot more and 1101 00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,960 extremely unpopular. Take like everyone's gonna turn 1102 00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:15,120 the stream off right now. I I think Taekwon Thornton is a 1103 00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,600 better pick than him, too. Well, you are. 1104 00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:22,920 That is a bad that's how are you? 1105 00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:26,640 I I removed Taekwon Thornton from my 2:50 and I think it's 1106 00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,000 over. I yeah, I don't think. 1107 00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:30,720 I don't think it's over. I don't think it's over. 1108 00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:34,360 The Patriots have just have such a lack of got like the. 1109 00:54:34,940 --> 00:54:37,380 I've said this quote on shows a billion times about the 1110 00:54:37,380 --> 00:54:39,820 Patriots, and it remains true even after they had an entire 1111 00:54:39,820 --> 00:54:43,540 offseason to try and fix it. If NFL teams were to line up 1112 00:54:43,540 --> 00:54:47,500 their 53 guys and run a relay race, the Patriots would finish 1113 00:54:47,500 --> 00:54:49,260 dead last. It's still true. 1114 00:54:49,260 --> 00:54:50,700 They still don't have anyone who's fast. 1115 00:54:50,700 --> 00:54:52,100 They don't have anyone who's explosive. 1116 00:54:52,420 --> 00:54:56,740 Taekwon is the only guy on their offense who is fast, and I think 1117 00:54:57,060 --> 00:54:59,820 that over the course. Of Bourne's explosive. 1118 00:54:59,980 --> 00:55:01,320 They just have hated him. He's. 1119 00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,520 Like, yeah, I mean, he's a billion years old and he'll get 1120 00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:06,440 benched like so. I don't know, this might be a 1121 00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:09,800 little like Belichick dog house stuff, but the preseason 1122 00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,800 suggested that Taekwon was the wide receiver 6 on the team. 1123 00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:18,520 So Juju Devante and Juju Devante in Bourne all rested and then 1124 00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:22,120 Booty and Demario Douglas started ahead of Keshan. 1125 00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,660 Booty is ahead of them. Yeah, I'm old enough. 1126 00:55:24,780 --> 00:55:27,580 I'm old enough to remember doing this with enough Patriots guys 1127 00:55:27,580 --> 00:55:29,340 in the preseason. Little little bit of Zach 1128 00:55:29,340 --> 00:55:32,580 Sudfeld. Anyone who is The Who is the UD 1129 00:55:32,860 --> 00:55:36,380 who is the UDFA Cat Who is the the UDFA wide receiver that 1130 00:55:36,420 --> 00:55:38,540 everyone lost their goddamn minds about. 1131 00:55:38,740 --> 00:55:41,100 I mean there was like I want to say 20 wrote of his articles 1132 00:55:41,100 --> 00:55:42,740 about this guy. You're not talking about Malcolm 1133 00:55:42,740 --> 00:55:44,460 Mitchell, are you? No, he was a. 1134 00:55:44,700 --> 00:55:45,700 Third round pick. Or something. 1135 00:55:45,700 --> 00:55:48,700 He was an undrafted free agent who had like a good preseason 1136 00:55:48,700 --> 00:55:50,700 game and a good camp, and he never played. 1137 00:55:51,620 --> 00:55:54,740 This would have been, this would have been like 2014 Patriots. 1138 00:55:56,100 --> 00:55:57,900 I don't remember anyway, anyways, like. 1139 00:55:58,420 --> 00:56:00,140 I'm probably played over Stedman Bailey. 1140 00:56:00,260 --> 00:56:01,700 The Patriots can't draft wide receivers. 1141 00:56:01,740 --> 00:56:05,460 Kenbrel Tomkins Kenbrel Tomkins. That's right. 1142 00:56:04,020 --> 00:56:06,060 That's. Yeah. 1143 00:56:06,060 --> 00:56:09,620 I mean, OK, that's fair. But like, we're not talking 1144 00:56:09,620 --> 00:56:13,540 about Demario Douglas, who is that guy who probably is ahead 1145 00:56:13,540 --> 00:56:15,980 of Taekwon Thornton, but like, maybe isn't right because it 1146 00:56:15,980 --> 00:56:18,100 could be his preseason. He could be Kenbrel Tompkins. 1147 00:56:18,460 --> 00:56:20,100 But we're not saying draft that, dude. 1148 00:56:20,470 --> 00:56:22,870 We're just saying, like, yet again, the Patriots seem to be 1149 00:56:22,870 --> 00:56:27,550 like very suspect of a super suspect prospect that they 1150 00:56:27,550 --> 00:56:31,230 overdrafted. Taekwon Thornton was not a very 1151 00:56:31,230 --> 00:56:33,110 good prospect. He was fast, and that was like 1152 00:56:33,110 --> 00:56:34,830 really the only thing you could say for him other than he was a 1153 00:56:34,830 --> 00:56:38,110 second round pick. He was not efficient last year, 1154 00:56:38,430 --> 00:56:41,030 and he now appears to have tumbled down the Patriots depth 1155 00:56:41,030 --> 00:56:43,750 chart. I mean, like he scores more 1156 00:56:43,750 --> 00:56:45,990 points this year. Taekwon Thornton or Mac Hollins? 1157 00:56:47,150 --> 00:56:49,350 Hollins. Pretty easily. 1158 00:56:49,350 --> 00:56:52,010 Hollins, isn't it? The answers I don't know. 1159 00:56:52,130 --> 00:56:54,730 I don't. Know I don't know, man. 1160 00:56:54,730 --> 00:56:58,890 Hollands, his preseason photos. He looks pretty, looks pretty 1161 00:56:58,890 --> 00:57:02,690 big out there. That's the guy currently at 2:50 1162 00:57:02,690 --> 00:57:04,970 right now, my rank. So right now I have Hollands 1163 00:57:04,970 --> 00:57:10,610 ranked and Thornton not. I take some round 20 Thornton on 1164 00:57:10,610 --> 00:57:13,050 DraftKings. I'm not taking either these guys 1165 00:57:13,050 --> 00:57:16,770 on underdog now because I'm just, I literally every time I 1166 00:57:16,770 --> 00:57:20,960 start my draft. I do the star method and I star 1167 00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,200 Kenneth Gainwell and I star Michael Wilson, so I don't 1168 00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:25,800 forget to take them. Dude, that's super smart. 1169 00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:27,840 I forgot. Yeah, I need to be. 1170 00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,080 Doing that, it's really important to do with risers 1171 00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:33,000 because someone might just snap them off on you. 1172 00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:36,880 So I take round 13, Kenneth Gainwell, I don't care. 1173 00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,360 I take round 17. Michael Wilson, I don't care. 1174 00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:42,400 I'm taking these guys. Yeah we'll get to gain. 1175 00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,440 Well, the Eagles stuff. Let's talk quickly on Musgrave. 1176 00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,680 He's slightly ahead of gain Well in the risers. 1177 00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:48,720 This this is pretty straightforward. 1178 00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:50,760 He just played all the sass with the starters. 1179 00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,360 Played pretty clearly ahead of Tyler Craft. 1180 00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:54,880 Tyler Crop. Tucker Craft. 1181 00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:56,520 Forget Tucker Craft. Tucker Craft. 1182 00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:58,680 He's all these side ends sound the same to me. 1183 00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:04,550 The one thing I'll note is Josiah de Guerra, who played 1184 00:58:04,550 --> 00:58:08,150 like a limited role for the Packers last year was out due to 1185 00:58:08,150 --> 00:58:10,390 injury. So like, I think that adds like 1186 00:58:10,750 --> 00:58:14,990 a tiny bit of uncertainty into like maybe Deguara plays a 1187 00:58:14,990 --> 00:58:16,790 little bit and they have some role for him. 1188 00:58:16,950 --> 00:58:19,910 But anyways, I think it's. I'm not really, I'm just 1189 00:58:19,950 --> 00:58:21,790 mentioning that as sort of like a footnote. 1190 00:58:21,990 --> 00:58:26,110 I really do think this is the Luke Musgrave show in Green Bay 1191 00:58:26,110 --> 00:58:28,830 and I'm. I'm pretty happy drafting him 1192 00:58:28,830 --> 00:58:31,260 where he goes, like I think you're getting starting tight 1193 00:58:31,260 --> 00:58:36,420 end, 17th, 18th round, who second round pick, elite 1194 00:58:36,420 --> 00:58:38,260 athlete. I think there's some upside 1195 00:58:38,260 --> 00:58:40,260 there. So I have, I'm slightly 1196 00:58:40,260 --> 00:58:42,820 overweight on Musgrave, but yeah, curious how you guys are 1197 00:58:42,820 --> 00:58:46,860 playing that situation. I got no issues, yeah. 1198 00:58:47,420 --> 00:58:50,220 It's a catch up situation. For me, smart, yeah, Same 1199 00:58:50,220 --> 00:58:52,380 agreed. Yeah, I was out on Musgrave 1200 00:58:52,380 --> 00:58:57,020 earlier, cuz I was like to me, not as good of a prospect as. 1201 00:58:57,860 --> 00:59:00,460 The other highly drafted guys, because we never really got the 1202 00:59:00,460 --> 00:59:03,820 production from him, We had like one, it's like literally two 1203 00:59:03,820 --> 00:59:05,500 games. He had like a couple good games 1204 00:59:05,500 --> 00:59:08,620 to close his career and then he got hurt. 1205 00:59:10,060 --> 00:59:12,860 And then he's super athletic and then he had the draft capital 1206 00:59:13,900 --> 00:59:16,220 and he's kind of like a field, like a seam stretcher type of 1207 00:59:16,220 --> 00:59:18,620 guy, which is an interesting archetype at tight end for sure. 1208 00:59:19,540 --> 00:59:21,380 So there's like reasons to be interested. 1209 00:59:21,740 --> 00:59:25,460 But I was like, I don't know, they drafted craft too. 1210 00:59:25,460 --> 00:59:26,940 Like, is he even gonna play that much? 1211 00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:29,880 The answer to that question seems to be yes, he's gonna play 1212 00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:34,200 and now I now I want to be in. I'm ahead of ADP on him slightly 1213 00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:38,240 in the rankings now and I'm trying to make sure I have some 1214 00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:39,600 exposure. We recently took him in a main 1215 00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,200 event draft, actually head of mayor. 1216 00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:44,880 Which is not something I was. Doing before this. 1217 00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:49,040 Liam was riding hard for Luke, Musgrave and and Kyle and I said 1218 00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:52,960 no, we want to play, we want, we want Hunter Henry and so our DMS 1219 00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:56,020 were just nothing. I am showing us like 1.8 1220 00:59:56,020 --> 00:59:58,140 DraftKings points for for Luke Musgrave. 1221 00:59:58,460 --> 01:00:00,260 Just being like you guys are idiots dude. 1222 01:00:00,340 --> 01:00:02,260 Can't believe you made me take honor, Henry. 1223 01:00:03,420 --> 01:00:06,780 Yeah, but I I don't want to. I'll probably end up underweight 1224 01:00:06,780 --> 01:00:10,380 Musgrave overall, but I don't want to be. 1225 01:00:10,380 --> 01:00:13,100 He's not someone I want to fade position on because like, I 1226 01:00:13,100 --> 01:00:15,540 don't really think Romeo Dobbs is that good. 1227 01:00:16,340 --> 01:00:19,740 I'm not sure if Jayden Reed is that good and Christian Watson 1228 01:00:19,860 --> 01:00:22,580 is very good at a thing, but I don't know if Jordan Love is 1229 01:00:22,580 --> 01:00:25,250 going to be all that great at deep passing. 1230 01:00:25,850 --> 01:00:27,930 And I don't know how complete Christian Watson is. 1231 01:00:28,330 --> 01:00:31,450 So there could be targets available here too, like the 1232 01:00:31,450 --> 01:00:33,650 starting tight end for the Packers could be like pretty 1233 01:00:33,650 --> 01:00:36,530 interesting. If it's clearly Musgrave, then 1234 01:00:37,090 --> 01:00:39,890 yeah, that's someone I might need to, like, scramble to get a 1235 01:00:39,890 --> 01:00:42,810 little more exposure to. Yeah, I'm with you. 1236 01:00:43,410 --> 01:00:46,410 I like the upside from Musgrave. And yeah, the back door stack 1237 01:00:46,410 --> 01:00:47,690 element too. I've been. 1238 01:00:48,590 --> 01:00:51,590 Put into some corners where the Jordan Love Jaden Reed, Luke 1239 01:00:51,590 --> 01:00:53,510 Musgrave stack kind of comes together than drafts. 1240 01:00:53,510 --> 01:00:55,470 And I kind of like that from upside perspective. 1241 01:00:56,590 --> 01:00:58,430 You know, who knows what we're getting with love, but I think 1242 01:00:58,430 --> 01:01:01,870 there's at least some juice in a good season for Jordan Love in 1243 01:01:01,870 --> 01:01:05,350 Green Bay. So let's talk the Eagles running 1244 01:01:05,350 --> 01:01:07,350 backs. I think people are probably 1245 01:01:07,350 --> 01:01:09,590 generally familiar with this, but basically what happened, 1246 01:01:10,230 --> 01:01:14,830 both Boston Scott and Kenny Gainwell got the veteran rest 1247 01:01:14,830 --> 01:01:17,550 treatment for the preseason. That normally suggests that 1248 01:01:17,550 --> 01:01:20,380 they're ahead. On the depth chart of newcomers 1249 01:01:20,380 --> 01:01:25,020 DeAndre Swift and Rashad Penny for during the game, Swift 1250 01:01:25,020 --> 01:01:28,380 played the first series, I believe, maybe the first two 1251 01:01:28,380 --> 01:01:29,500 series. I'll look into it. 1252 01:01:29,660 --> 01:01:32,940 And then Penny played 1/4 after that, so. 1253 01:01:33,510 --> 01:01:36,470 If you just kind of take it at face value that would suggest 1254 01:01:36,470 --> 01:01:38,790 the depth chart would be you know gain. 1255 01:01:38,790 --> 01:01:42,590 Well, Scott Swift Penny I think it's still very up in the air. 1256 01:01:42,830 --> 01:01:45,670 You know I don't think that's locked in but yeah, pretty clear 1257 01:01:45,670 --> 01:01:48,830 to me that gain well at least is a pretty massive value where 1258 01:01:48,830 --> 01:01:51,350 he's going. I'm curious Davis, you said 1259 01:01:51,350 --> 01:01:54,590 mentioned your high on game. Well, how high would you vault, 1260 01:01:54,590 --> 01:01:57,390 gain well up up draft boards and keep Jason's rise. 1261 01:01:57,910 --> 01:02:02,790 So he was already my most drafted player on DraftKings and 1262 01:02:02,830 --> 01:02:04,970 I. Think he was my most yeah, he's 1263 01:02:04,970 --> 01:02:08,330 my most drafted player underdog as well, so I already really 1264 01:02:08,330 --> 01:02:11,890 liked him. But so really it was, it was 1265 01:02:11,890 --> 01:02:16,730 just an indication that my base thought was right, which was 1266 01:02:16,730 --> 01:02:21,610 that this team is not planning on giving DeAndre Swift 200 1267 01:02:21,610 --> 01:02:23,450 touches. Like maybe he will get 200 1268 01:02:23,450 --> 01:02:26,210 touches. So I but I actually think it's 1269 01:02:26,210 --> 01:02:30,050 less about Swift and it's more about Penny, which is that. 1270 01:02:30,460 --> 01:02:34,380 Rashad Penny was playing in the second quarter with I don't even 1271 01:02:34,380 --> 01:02:36,820 know who the other quarterback is for the Eagles or whatever, 1272 01:02:36,820 --> 01:02:40,140 but like the Penny thing seems tenuous now. 1273 01:02:41,060 --> 01:02:44,660 To credit the Swift drafters and the Penny drafters and stuff 1274 01:02:44,780 --> 01:02:46,580 Nick Ciriani did say after the game. 1275 01:02:46,900 --> 01:02:50,300 I don't want the first time that these guys get tackled to be in 1276 01:02:50,300 --> 01:02:53,220 Week 1. Swift or a Scott and Gainwell 1277 01:02:53,220 --> 01:02:56,860 are going to play next week or whatever now. 1278 01:02:57,500 --> 01:03:00,060 The other thing that literally no one wants to talk about is 1279 01:03:00,060 --> 01:03:02,980 that these annoying Eagles beat writers, specifically Elliott 1280 01:03:02,980 --> 01:03:05,820 Shore Parks who is like one of the worst beat writers ever, but 1281 01:03:05,820 --> 01:03:09,060 he he will not stop talking about Trey Serman, just will not 1282 01:03:09,260 --> 01:03:12,500 stop with the Trace Erman stuff there. 1283 01:03:12,620 --> 01:03:17,980 There is at least a chance, let's call it 10%, that Trace 1284 01:03:17,980 --> 01:03:22,700 Erman makes the team over Rashad Penny and that the team creates 1285 01:03:22,700 --> 01:03:27,200 a phantom injury for Tracer for. For your penny and puts him on 1286 01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:31,720 the designated for return IR it's it's enough that my base 1287 01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:34,680 thought on gain well, I think was right, which was that he's 1288 01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:35,920 the most familiar with the offense. 1289 01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:37,240 He's the most familiar with the playbook. 1290 01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:40,040 He played more snaps than Miles Sanders in the Super Bowl, so 1291 01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:43,400 he's going to play. And the penny stuff is less 1292 01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:46,520 locked in than the market was expecting beforehand. 1293 01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:50,880 Yeah, the game. Well, like I was into him. 1294 01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:55,960 The guy in my discord kind of got me to rethink that. 1295 01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:59,320 A couple months ago I was like I was very into him predraft and 1296 01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,280 then I was like I guess you know it's not going to happen. 1297 01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:04,480 And then it's like you know he's he's very cheap and he's good. 1298 01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:10,440 But I I was at, I'm at 12% now on Underdog and 15% on 1299 01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:13,480 DraftKings. But honestly, I feel like I 1300 01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:17,520 would really like some more. And I've been over the weekend I 1301 01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:21,240 was, I was reaching for him, getting him in like the 12th 1302 01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:24,580 round if I needed to, trying to push the 13th. 1303 01:04:24,580 --> 01:04:26,580 But then he, I was getting snipe for me sometimes. 1304 01:04:26,820 --> 01:04:29,380 So that's kind of where I ended up on him. 1305 01:04:29,380 --> 01:04:33,300 Like I'm, I'm kind of willing to push him up a decent amount 1306 01:04:34,100 --> 01:04:37,380 because yeah, I think you're getting some kind of role from a 1307 01:04:37,380 --> 01:04:40,300 player who I think is good on a good offense. 1308 01:04:40,380 --> 01:04:43,870 And that's right. Like, I think Kenneth Gain well 1309 01:04:43,870 --> 01:04:45,710 is good. I just was really worried about 1310 01:04:45,710 --> 01:04:47,230 how much playing time he was going to get. 1311 01:04:47,310 --> 01:04:51,470 And he goes ahead of running backs who are on bad offenses or 1312 01:04:51,470 --> 01:04:54,390 offenses that are don't project to be anywhere near as efficient 1313 01:04:54,390 --> 01:04:56,990 as Philadelphia. That's that's part of it for me. 1314 01:04:58,070 --> 01:05:03,350 Like, let's see here he goes directly ahead of Devon Singh. 1315 01:05:03,350 --> 01:05:07,270 Or yeah, he goes directly behind Kendra Miller, who's dead. 1316 01:05:07,750 --> 01:05:11,150 Roshon Johnson Who we like, but like I like gain well more most 1317 01:05:11,150 --> 01:05:12,870 who I kind of like, but I like gain well more. 1318 01:05:12,870 --> 01:05:14,950 And Singletary who it's like what? 1319 01:05:14,950 --> 01:05:16,750 Like literally, what's the use of Devin Singletary? 1320 01:05:17,310 --> 01:05:19,150 What does Devin Singletary do for this team? 1321 01:05:19,470 --> 01:05:21,670 Yeah, truly, truly. He does not seem to even be 1322 01:05:21,670 --> 01:05:23,870 their third down back. So I mean, Gain well is going to 1323 01:05:23,870 --> 01:05:26,790 move up a lot. The question is like, are you 1324 01:05:26,790 --> 01:05:30,160 interested in like Gain well versus Tank Bigsby like I? 1325 01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:32,920 Think that's that's the line. I think that's that's the line 1326 01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:34,720 where I'm like I want to take both of those guys. 1327 01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:37,080 So I'd probably take Tank because I just have more game 1328 01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:40,520 well, but that's a good line. Yeah, I think that's where it's 1329 01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:42,040 headed. Yeah, I think that's where we're 1330 01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:43,440 headed. I think that's about fair. 1331 01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:47,040 Like I'll caveat this by saying first like I have absolutely no 1332 01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:50,120 push back where game well is going now like Smash pick at 1333 01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:53,480 158, even 15140 I think it's great. 1334 01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:58,280 I think once he gets into that Bigsby Warren range, I think let 1335 01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:00,730 me do another one, him versus Algier. 1336 01:06:01,810 --> 01:06:05,690 See, Algiers got like maybe the best contingent upside of like 1337 01:06:05,970 --> 01:06:09,890 almost anyone, but I don't feel good about his standalone. 1338 01:06:10,050 --> 01:06:13,370 So I think in a lot of seasons Algiers just a total zameer 1339 01:06:13,370 --> 01:06:16,730 white like a guy who literally gives you zero weeks of usable 1340 01:06:16,970 --> 01:06:20,330 maybe one week where where he just happens to be the guy in at 1341 01:06:20,330 --> 01:06:23,210 the goal line or something. But gain well is what we were 1342 01:06:23,210 --> 01:06:25,890 talking about earlier with Warren, that nice mix of a 1343 01:06:25,890 --> 01:06:28,250 little bit of standalone and really good contingent. 1344 01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:30,040 Yeah, yeah. To me it's game well. 1345 01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:31,880 I want game well over algebra, yeah. 1346 01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:34,840 I think I want game the starter for the equals like I I know 1347 01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:38,440 that's not the most likely scenario like that's that's the. 1348 01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:40,640 Thing, but it's in play. It's in play now. 1349 01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:42,920 You have to admit that it's in play. 1350 01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:46,400 Even if everything's overblown with the preseason thing, we 1351 01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:49,120 can't take this as like, gospel, that he's the starter. 1352 01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:52,840 They're gonna run a committee of some kind anyway, but like, but 1353 01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:56,220 there is a chance that he is there early down back to begin 1354 01:06:56,220 --> 01:06:58,940 the season. In which case why would you not 1355 01:06:58,940 --> 01:07:00,580 take him over? Tyler Algebra. 1356 01:07:00,580 --> 01:07:04,980 Pure Contention Pack. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1357 01:07:04,980 --> 01:07:06,740 I made this. And so I was wrong again. 1358 01:07:06,740 --> 01:07:09,100 Well, I'm underway to him and that definitely feels like a 1359 01:07:09,100 --> 01:07:11,580 mistake. So I'll say that up front that, 1360 01:07:11,580 --> 01:07:13,460 like, I definitely think I was wrong there. 1361 01:07:13,460 --> 01:07:15,380 That was just some kind of process error. 1362 01:07:16,140 --> 01:07:20,220 It is true, though, that man, you look at the box scores where 1363 01:07:20,220 --> 01:07:24,760 Miles Sanders has missed time. Man, they have not gone to gain 1364 01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:26,880 well as a feature back again. It's a small. 1365 01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:30,560 Sample Literally the most recent game we just saw the Super Bowl, 1366 01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:34,120 Miles Sanders got banged up and was like rotating in and out and 1367 01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:36,880 I think gain well got 4 touches maybe. 1368 01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:41,720 Yeah, he did play 51% of snaps in that game, but that's like. 1369 01:07:42,270 --> 01:07:44,950 So I was looking through 2022 and 2021, the two years. 1370 01:07:44,950 --> 01:07:46,830 We got, we got more targets in that game. 1371 01:07:46,950 --> 01:07:51,790 But yeah, like, he's just really maxed out at like a 30 to 40% 1372 01:07:51,790 --> 01:07:54,910 like snap guy, like kind of no matter the circumstance. 1373 01:07:54,990 --> 01:07:57,990 Now the Super Bowl, you can say that that is a pretty meaningful 1374 01:07:57,990 --> 01:08:00,590 exception. But even then he got up to 51% 1375 01:08:00,590 --> 01:08:05,070 snaps, like Boston Scotts mixing in for 20% you look at right? 1376 01:08:05,470 --> 01:08:08,510 2021 Weeks 8 through 10. Again, this was Gainwell's 1377 01:08:08,550 --> 01:08:10,150 rookie year, so a little bit different. 1378 01:08:10,350 --> 01:08:13,030 Sanders missed a couple games, and in those games, Gainwell 1379 01:08:13,030 --> 01:08:17,550 played 31 percent, 19 percent, 31%, which is basically the same 1380 01:08:17,790 --> 01:08:19,790 as he was playing before Sanders injury. 1381 01:08:19,790 --> 01:08:22,990 They just used Sanders injury as an excuse to play more Boston 1382 01:08:22,990 --> 01:08:24,630 Scott, play a little bit of Jordan Howard. 1383 01:08:24,630 --> 01:08:27,750 So that's what I'm worried about is like, maybe Gainwell's role 1384 01:08:27,750 --> 01:08:30,310 is like locked in, but it's just locked in at that. 1385 01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:32,880 Role he's had the past two years, which is like, right, You 1386 01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:35,120 know, 30 isn't very valuable, yeah. 1387 01:08:35,359 --> 01:08:38,359 Well, I think there's a quite a good chance, you're right. 1388 01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:42,960 But I think that his chance in prior years of being a lead back 1389 01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:46,840 was 0. And now I think with Swift sort 1390 01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:50,359 of being the same thing of being like a guy, I believe he has not 1391 01:08:50,359 --> 01:08:53,720 played over 50% of snaps since week three of his rookie year. 1392 01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:56,560 And then you have Penny. Who? 1393 01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:58,640 It's the same deal. They're not going to use Penny 1394 01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:00,560 on passing downs. Like, no chance they use Penny 1395 01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:03,240 on Penny. Cover your ears. 1396 01:09:03,359 --> 01:09:05,319 He's Jordan Howard to the Eagles right now. 1397 01:09:05,359 --> 01:09:07,160 He really is. Doesn't mean he can't. 1398 01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:09,840 I don't need to cover my ears if he's if he's Jordan Howard, they 1399 01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:10,960 actually use him. I mean right? 1400 01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:13,000 Well, OK. Yeah. 1401 01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:13,720 OK, good. Yeah. 1402 01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:15,920 What year, Jordan Howard, Yeah. Right. 1403 01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:16,680 OK. OK. 1404 01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:18,240 Good point. But it's like, it's like getting 1405 01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:23,109 well, I mean. Prior years, 0% chance of being 1406 01:09:23,189 --> 01:09:25,790 early down goal line, any of that stuff and now it's like, I 1407 01:09:25,790 --> 01:09:28,470 don't know, 1015% maybe there's some chance, yeah. 1408 01:09:29,029 --> 01:09:32,149 And that's like and that's a really good pick where he was 1409 01:09:32,149 --> 01:09:34,550 going and where he is going. It certainly was. 1410 01:09:34,550 --> 01:09:36,270 Yeah. I feel, I certainly feel a bit 1411 01:09:36,270 --> 01:09:40,270 naked not getting exposure at the once like it it was too easy 1412 01:09:40,270 --> 01:09:43,109 and I think I was just like, yeah, he's like you know the 1413 01:09:43,109 --> 01:09:46,149 James White of the Eagles offense and like why do I want 1414 01:09:46,149 --> 01:09:47,189 that? But I should have just been 1415 01:09:47,189 --> 01:09:49,910 like, what if he could, you know, have more in that if that 1416 01:09:49,910 --> 01:09:51,910 role is locked? Then it's kind of worth the pick 1417 01:09:51,910 --> 01:09:54,750 at that point. So anyway thing I'll say about 1418 01:09:54,750 --> 01:09:58,830 being, well that I think, you know, he was actually like he's 1419 01:09:58,830 --> 01:10:01,910 shown a little bit in the playoffs, especially like he was 1420 01:10:02,230 --> 01:10:05,430 popping in the rushing numbers. We don't have small samples on 1421 01:10:05,430 --> 01:10:10,870 him, but like, he ran well in the playoffs last year and so 1422 01:10:10,870 --> 01:10:15,070 that's like he isn't just a James White type play. 1423 01:10:15,070 --> 01:10:17,920 I think like he's undersized and he kind of came in more as a 1424 01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:19,400 receiving back. But that's where I think like 1425 01:10:19,480 --> 01:10:22,440 having been in the system for a long time, him getting kind of 1426 01:10:22,440 --> 01:10:27,840 more work last year, Penny being the guy who's a little bit more 1427 01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:29,720 like Swift seems locked into something. 1428 01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:32,040 Penny is the dude we're like more worried about. 1429 01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:35,520 And I actually feel better about Gainwell's ability to run 1430 01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:37,120 between the tackles than Swift's. 1431 01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:40,800 So that's kind of where, I mean they used Swift last year in 1432 01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:44,080 that I think believe is the Saints game or the Cowboys game, 1433 01:10:44,420 --> 01:10:49,220 can't remember now. But the they used him on four 1434 01:10:49,220 --> 01:10:54,460 straight carries within like the 12 yard line And and it's like 1435 01:10:54,460 --> 01:10:58,220 why is Kenneth Gainwell getting the run here instead of Miles 1436 01:10:58,220 --> 01:10:59,900 Sanders? Like they're not afraid. 1437 01:10:59,900 --> 01:11:01,900 I'm not saying like he's like their goal line back, obviously. 1438 01:11:01,900 --> 01:11:06,180 But they're not afraid of using Kenneth Gainwell as a rusher in 1439 01:11:06,180 --> 01:11:09,940 a way that you might assume. If you just, like, kind of think 1440 01:11:09,940 --> 01:11:11,940 about who you know, the archetype of back that he is, 1441 01:11:11,940 --> 01:11:16,320 he's probably a pass catcher. Yeah and and yeah that's the 1442 01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:18,200 thing with this backfield is like I kind of think the most 1443 01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:20,560 likely outcome now is it's just like a full blown. 1444 01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:22,840 I'm not sure which three it's gonna be, but I think it's it 1445 01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:25,720 could just be a full blown 3, three man committee. 1446 01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:27,720 That's what they did down the stretch last year with Boston. 1447 01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:30,840 So yeah, but so so but then just take the cheapest guy. 1448 01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:33,840 I mean that's that's classic like because then you're picking 1449 01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:36,760 up like random spike week, random touchdown goes your way 1450 01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:40,040 into basketball. These guys are are gonna be 1451 01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:42,920 brutal and I know because I just. 1452 01:11:43,250 --> 01:11:46,770 Cook de Andre Swift at a main event famously and then got 1453 01:11:46,770 --> 01:11:49,890 sniped on Kenneth Gainwell so we could take fucking Jeff Wilson. 1454 01:11:50,010 --> 01:11:53,570 I hate I hate it so much but they're going to be nightmares 1455 01:11:53,570 --> 01:11:55,330 and managed. They're going to be extreme 1456 01:11:55,330 --> 01:11:59,210 nightmares and managed but like but but for best ball I think 1457 01:11:59,250 --> 01:12:01,770 gain well. I honestly gain well up to like 1458 01:12:01,770 --> 01:12:05,450 pick like like one 35140 feels fine to me. 1459 01:12:05,970 --> 01:12:07,170 Yeah. That seems like it's price 1460 01:12:07,170 --> 01:12:10,490 range, like ahead of Algier, behind Big Speed and. 1461 01:12:10,930 --> 01:12:13,930 Warren, I think, Okay. Let's let's talk Bigsby. 1462 01:12:13,930 --> 01:12:18,530 Speaking of Bigsby, this was like the one preseason snap 1463 01:12:18,730 --> 01:12:21,330 heard around the world. He only played one snap with the 1464 01:12:21,330 --> 01:12:24,050 starters, with Trevor Lawrence and ETN and the rest of the 1465 01:12:24,050 --> 01:12:27,170 stars in Jacksonville. But that one snap, as people are 1466 01:12:27,170 --> 01:12:29,850 pointing out on Twitter, was a short yardage. 1467 01:12:29,850 --> 01:12:32,170 I believe a third and one where he got stuffed. 1468 01:12:32,780 --> 01:12:36,060 So people are, I think this reaction is people are taking 1469 01:12:36,060 --> 01:12:40,020 that to mean that Bigsby is the likely goal line back in 1470 01:12:40,020 --> 01:12:43,260 Jacksonville, or at least has some chance of that, and that's 1471 01:12:43,260 --> 01:12:47,660 driving him up. Davis, what are your thoughts on 1472 01:12:47,660 --> 01:12:51,580 this Bigsby usage in the preseason that we got to see? 1473 01:12:52,420 --> 01:12:55,020 Yeah, I mean, I don't really care about. 1474 01:12:55,140 --> 01:12:58,580 I don't really care about the preseason snap. 1475 01:12:59,140 --> 01:13:01,020 Like that. It seems like totally whatever 1476 01:13:01,020 --> 01:13:02,740 to me. But Bigsby, I was chasing up 1477 01:13:02,740 --> 01:13:05,780 boards anyways. Like, I like I was kind of, he 1478 01:13:05,780 --> 01:13:08,700 was kind of my guy like last week before I really started to 1479 01:13:08,700 --> 01:13:12,340 make a point to get Kenneth Gain. 1480 01:13:12,340 --> 01:13:17,500 Well, like, so there's like some chance that ETN, you know, turns 1481 01:13:17,500 --> 01:13:19,900 into Naji Harris and they just used him in between the 20s. 1482 01:13:20,100 --> 01:13:24,540 Seems like a 100% chance he's the clear handcuff. 1483 01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:27,200 So I want I just want to have a lot of guys like that in My 1484 01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:30,680 Portfolio anyways like as many guys as I can get who I think 1485 01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:35,280 are Tony Pollard Alexander Madison you know formerly for 1486 01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:38,280 the Browns cream on just like no doubt about it starter gets 1487 01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:39,920 injured. I'm getting that guy's 1488 01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:42,480 projecting for 16 1/2 points or whatever the next week. 1489 01:13:42,480 --> 01:13:43,800 I want a lot of those guys anyways. 1490 01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:48,800 I think Bigsby is clearly that now there is some chance that. 1491 01:13:49,170 --> 01:13:52,810 Bigsby is going to pull off these, you know these high value 1492 01:13:52,810 --> 01:13:55,290 touches right. So inside the 10 third downs, 1493 01:13:55,290 --> 01:13:58,850 cuz that the thing I've I've railed against this forever. 1494 01:13:58,850 --> 01:14:01,250 I think ETN is awesome. I think he's so good. 1495 01:14:01,250 --> 01:14:03,330 I think he's so dynamic like I don't have. 1496 01:14:03,450 --> 01:14:06,210 I actually don't like the corresponding movement of Bigsby 1497 01:14:06,210 --> 01:14:08,290 going up. I'm not drafting ETN less. 1498 01:14:08,690 --> 01:14:13,250 But we always want to typecast ETN as a pass catcher, cuz he 1499 01:14:13,250 --> 01:14:15,610 did it when he was with Trevor Lawrence in college a little 1500 01:14:15,610 --> 01:14:17,760 bit. And he well, because an Urban 1501 01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:20,600 Meyer got sniped on Cadair's Tony and decided he would just 1502 01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:23,480 turn ETN and Cadair's Tony. But Urban Meyer's an idiot, we 1503 01:14:23,480 --> 01:14:26,320 know that. But he's proven that many times 1504 01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:29,880 over now, yeah? Like I think bigs, Bigsby might 1505 01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:33,280 just play, I don't know 70% of the third downs. 1506 01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:35,280 Like they might use him as like kind of like kind of how they 1507 01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:37,960 were using Joe Michael Hasty and Ernest Johnson last year. 1508 01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:42,400 So I'm chasing Bigsby up. I it doesn't I don't really care 1509 01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:44,600 about the preseason stuff. Like, I mean, it's nice you 1510 01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:47,180 would rather. Yeah, him have gotten that then 1511 01:14:47,180 --> 01:14:49,500 D Ernest Johnson or Michael Hasty or whatever. 1512 01:14:49,780 --> 01:14:54,140 But yeah, I just think Bigsby is another guy Steam worth chasing 1513 01:14:54,140 --> 01:14:56,380 cuz something that we're seeing happen right now. 1514 01:14:56,380 --> 01:14:58,900 Also, and I meant to bring this up earlier in the show, I 1515 01:14:58,980 --> 01:15:02,100 thought we for some reason it was in my calendar is 1130 1516 01:15:02,100 --> 01:15:03,980 instead of 11. My time doesn't matter. 1517 01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:10,280 I think we are going to see much stronger but actually purposeful 1518 01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:13,280 driven changes in ADP. Like the first six months of us 1519 01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:16,600 doing this show, it's basically people reacting to a tweet, like 1520 01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:19,440 basically basically all these nerds reading a tweet. 1521 01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:22,240 Now we have some non nerds drafting with us. 1522 01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:24,440 I don't know if you guys have been noticing this, but there's 1523 01:15:24,440 --> 01:15:27,920 been less badges in the room, names you don't recognize and so 1524 01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:30,640 there's more drafts. So the information there's, the 1525 01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:33,320 information is changing quicker, the ADP is changing quicker 1526 01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:35,160 because the volume of drafts is higher. 1527 01:15:35,670 --> 01:15:38,950 The so like just the velocity of information is greater and the 1528 01:15:38,950 --> 01:15:41,470 information that people are reacting to is more meaningful. 1529 01:15:41,630 --> 01:15:44,790 So these are changes in ADP that I think you need to be having a 1530 01:15:44,790 --> 01:15:47,510 stance on because they're they're likely time to reach, 1531 01:15:48,550 --> 01:15:50,830 time to reach a little bit. If there's a guy that you know 1532 01:15:50,830 --> 01:15:54,070 is going to move up, just it is time, it's time to go. 1533 01:15:54,070 --> 01:15:56,550 This guy is mispriced now, right? 1534 01:15:56,550 --> 01:15:59,750 Like Kenneth Gainwell is someone that like I said I was 1535 01:15:59,750 --> 01:16:02,390 overweight on but not to the level where I would like to be 1536 01:16:02,390 --> 01:16:04,990 given. I'm like OK this the bet looks 1537 01:16:04,990 --> 01:16:07,750 bit stronger than 160 now. How much stronger? 1538 01:16:07,750 --> 01:16:11,870 Well, I'd like to get him at 1:50 if I could but if I need to 1539 01:16:11,870 --> 01:16:14,790 get him in the one 40s I'll I'm down to do that too. 1540 01:16:14,790 --> 01:16:17,310 I think he's a very strong bet in the one 40s as well and I 1541 01:16:17,310 --> 01:16:18,830 don't think he's going to settle in the one 40s. 1542 01:16:18,830 --> 01:16:20,790 I think he's going to move up ahead of that eventually as 1543 01:16:20,790 --> 01:16:23,230 well. So I'm that's a guy I could be 1544 01:16:23,230 --> 01:16:24,990 wrong about that but that's the bet I'm willing to make. 1545 01:16:24,990 --> 01:16:26,110 So I'm going to go ahead and reach. 1546 01:16:26,590 --> 01:16:30,070 I don't think 12th round Kenneth Gainwell is going to look bad in 1547 01:16:30,070 --> 01:16:31,790 a month. I think I'm going to be totally 1548 01:16:31,790 --> 01:16:35,590 fine with that. So yeah not everyone and don't 1549 01:16:35,590 --> 01:16:37,510 you know. Yeah I think in general we're 1550 01:16:37,510 --> 01:16:41,670 we're kind of like I would say we are sort of in on most of the 1551 01:16:41,670 --> 01:16:45,870 preseason takes it sounds like, but also try not to lose our 1552 01:16:45,870 --> 01:16:47,910 heads. But you know, this is a spot 1553 01:16:47,910 --> 01:16:51,430 where where you know the Adp's gonna be shifting a lot, so you 1554 01:16:51,430 --> 01:16:54,990 might as well try to strategically get ahead of of 1555 01:16:54,990 --> 01:16:56,710 some of those spots. Yeah. 1556 01:16:58,190 --> 01:16:59,590 That before we move on from Bigsby. 1557 01:16:59,590 --> 01:17:02,070 Art, what are your thoughts on on ETN. 1558 01:17:02,070 --> 01:17:05,670 It sounds like I think we're all probably fine with with Bigsby 1559 01:17:05,670 --> 01:17:08,190 where he goes or I I actually like him quite a bit But like 1560 01:17:08,190 --> 01:17:13,550 David said I'm not taking this like I think I do think one of 1561 01:17:13,550 --> 01:17:16,110 the inefficiencies in the fantasy community still is so 1562 01:17:16,110 --> 01:17:19,350 many times like the running back discussion becomes like the team 1563 01:17:19,350 --> 01:17:22,990 RB 2 versus the team RB one where in many situations and. 1564 01:17:23,110 --> 01:17:25,190 This last couple years and this guy's awesome. 1565 01:17:25,430 --> 01:17:29,010 Yeah, like I if it's a. Running back in a good backfield 1566 01:17:29,010 --> 01:17:32,210 where I like both the prices like I did this last year with 1567 01:17:32,210 --> 01:17:34,410 Seattle, I'm doing it this year with Jacksonville. 1568 01:17:34,410 --> 01:17:37,530 It's just like, man, I I want shares of like the running back 1569 01:17:37,530 --> 01:17:40,730 on the potential traveler Trevor Lawrence, like Ascension team. 1570 01:17:40,730 --> 01:17:45,610 And I think both ETN and Bigsby have cases for being really high 1571 01:17:45,610 --> 01:17:48,050 upside plays. So I still like ETN. 1572 01:17:48,050 --> 01:17:50,530 I do like Bigsby. Are you, are you nervous about 1573 01:17:50,530 --> 01:17:53,850 ETN at his price in sort of the 40s with the, you know, 1574 01:17:53,890 --> 01:17:57,460 potential Bigsby stealing? Goal line usage narrative that's 1575 01:17:57,460 --> 01:18:00,860 going around now. I'm not I'm trying I'm what I'm 1576 01:18:01,020 --> 01:18:08,340 what I'm nervous about is trying to trying to get my exposure 1577 01:18:08,620 --> 01:18:13,740 actually above market on on ETN because I I'm sort of nervous 1578 01:18:13,740 --> 01:18:17,540 about being underweight and maybe this will help me get back 1579 01:18:17,540 --> 01:18:22,180 to to being overweight on ETN. But right now I think about like 1580 01:18:22,180 --> 01:18:26,980 6% ETN $100. Yeah, I'm at 6% ET and $100, 1581 01:18:26,980 --> 01:18:30,940 which I would prefer to be a little bit above the field on 1582 01:18:30,940 --> 01:18:35,780 him, even with this Bigsby stuff, because he's a fourth 1583 01:18:35,780 --> 01:18:40,380 round pick where we're getting an explosive rusher, a guy who 1584 01:18:40,820 --> 01:18:43,380 is a capable pass catcher. Although he's not never going to 1585 01:18:43,380 --> 01:18:44,980 be like amazing there, I don't think. 1586 01:18:45,500 --> 01:18:48,060 And he was very consistent as a rusher as well last year. 1587 01:18:48,060 --> 01:18:51,820 Maybe he loses some short yardage stuff, but like, I don't 1588 01:18:51,820 --> 01:18:53,460 know. I mean, I don't think Tank 1589 01:18:53,460 --> 01:18:57,060 Bigsby as a rookie is going to come in and be like a dedicated 1590 01:18:57,060 --> 01:19:00,020 short every short yardage. Yeah, I don't understand really. 1591 01:19:00,100 --> 01:19:03,420 What coaches do like how we don't really Can anyone give me 1592 01:19:03,420 --> 01:19:07,380 an example of a rookie coming in and then getting like literally 1593 01:19:07,460 --> 01:19:09,300 all of the most important touches? 1594 01:19:09,300 --> 01:19:13,900 Like, it's it's it's just a sort of backwards on how NFL coaches 1595 01:19:13,900 --> 01:19:15,300 think. No, it doesn't mean. 1596 01:19:16,150 --> 01:19:18,950 Conversely, it doesn't mean that that he's not going to get any 1597 01:19:18,950 --> 01:19:22,430 of them and that and everyone he's going to get some. 1598 01:19:22,670 --> 01:19:25,070 But I mean, literally this just happened. 1599 01:19:25,070 --> 01:19:29,230 Like how many running backs like don't lose high value touches 1600 01:19:29,270 --> 01:19:32,430 like Derrick Henry and Christian McCaffrey Like there were. 1601 01:19:32,430 --> 01:19:34,190 There were. I know this because I remember 1602 01:19:34,190 --> 01:19:35,750 sweating out a first touchdown bet. 1603 01:19:36,070 --> 01:19:38,950 There were there was a games last year where Sony, Michelle 1604 01:19:38,950 --> 01:19:41,150 was getting goal line touches over Austin Eckler. 1605 01:19:41,190 --> 01:19:43,270 Like it. Just teams just do that. 1606 01:19:43,310 --> 01:19:43,990 They. Just do. 1607 01:19:45,050 --> 01:19:47,450 Yeah, I I just pulled up my DraftKings, but I'm I'm eleven 1608 01:19:47,450 --> 01:19:51,370 percent there which I feel much better about and it's easier to 1609 01:19:51,530 --> 01:19:54,570 go ahead and take the fourth round running back on DraftKings 1610 01:19:54,570 --> 01:19:57,090 because you can you know you're going to get a much better 1611 01:19:57,170 --> 01:19:59,610 eighth round wide receiver if you want to go that route or 1612 01:19:59,610 --> 01:20:02,050 even ninth round receiver might be able to do Bateman and the 1613 01:20:02,050 --> 01:20:05,290 9th there. So to me it's like the thing 1614 01:20:05,290 --> 01:20:07,970 that's made me nervous about ETN is that why am I underweight on 1615 01:20:07,970 --> 01:20:10,450 underdog is because of structural stuff. 1616 01:20:10,490 --> 01:20:12,890 It's because the fourth round I almost always need a wide 1617 01:20:12,890 --> 01:20:14,930 receiver. Like, I've already made my like 1618 01:20:14,930 --> 01:20:17,690 a detour with Reese Hall. You know, a lot in the third 1619 01:20:17,690 --> 01:20:18,930 round. So now I'm like, do I want to go 1620 01:20:18,930 --> 01:20:21,290 haul ETN or do I want to go haul wide receiver? 1621 01:20:21,530 --> 01:20:24,010 I may already have another running back with Hall. 1622 01:20:24,010 --> 01:20:25,930 So then it's like, do I want to do a hyperfragile? 1623 01:20:26,250 --> 01:20:27,890 It's easier for me just to take a wide receiver. 1624 01:20:27,890 --> 01:20:29,610 So I I take a wide receiver most of the time. 1625 01:20:30,130 --> 01:20:33,130 But ETN, he pops a lot in my rushing. 1626 01:20:33,170 --> 01:20:36,730 Like the the stuff I'm looking for for how talented these guys 1627 01:20:36,730 --> 01:20:38,650 are. ETN looks very talented as a 1628 01:20:38,650 --> 01:20:41,650 rusher. So and Gretch was pushing back 1629 01:20:41,650 --> 01:20:45,640 the other day on ETN and I like, didn't really have a good 1630 01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:47,800 counter, which is another thing. I'm like, I don't. 1631 01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:51,000 This just feels like a spot. There's a certain spots like 1632 01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:55,880 I've found myself in over the years where like I just kind of 1633 01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:58,320 knew I was wrong, but then I never like, corrected it. 1634 01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:01,320 And this feels like one of the spots to me where like ET n's 1635 01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:04,600 not someone I've been bullish on as far as far as taking him 1636 01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:08,960 relative to his ADP. But I can't really explain why, 1637 01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:12,010 other than like I kind of need a receiver here, but that's not a 1638 01:21:12,010 --> 01:21:15,730 good enough reason to, like, be underweight, a guy who's very 1639 01:21:15,730 --> 01:21:17,810 talented. It is kind of frustrating, like 1640 01:21:17,810 --> 01:21:20,090 looking at my exposures where I'm like, I don't have enough of 1641 01:21:20,090 --> 01:21:22,890 this guy and it's just because I, like positionally need 1642 01:21:22,890 --> 01:21:24,570 something else in that pocket a lot. 1643 01:21:24,570 --> 01:21:27,650 Like I'm ending up with a, like, I noticed this like, I really 1644 01:21:27,650 --> 01:21:31,130 like Kyle Pitts, but I'm making like this huge leverage bet on 1645 01:21:31,130 --> 01:21:32,370 Kyle Pitts compared to the field. 1646 01:21:32,370 --> 01:21:34,610 Just because I hate everyone who goes around him. 1647 01:21:35,090 --> 01:21:37,130 And I need a tight end there a lot of the times. 1648 01:21:37,210 --> 01:21:40,530 And I just know it's going to be like week four and Kyle Pitts is 1649 01:21:40,530 --> 01:21:43,060 going to have like. Parker Hesse is going to score 1650 01:21:43,060 --> 01:21:46,060 his third touchdown of the year. Cow pits is going to be like on 1651 01:21:46,060 --> 01:21:48,140 the sideline, like arguing with his coach. 1652 01:21:48,140 --> 01:21:50,900 And I'm seeing like what this is exactly the time. 1653 01:21:50,940 --> 01:21:53,620 You check, you check the like, ETR projections and Cole 1654 01:21:53,620 --> 01:21:57,220 Turner's projected for both friends and you're like, what's 1655 01:21:57,220 --> 01:22:02,860 going on guys? Yeah, these spots I I that gut 1656 01:22:02,860 --> 01:22:04,980 feeling is like pops up sometimes. 1657 01:22:04,980 --> 01:22:08,220 And it's so because it tends to pop up in a spot like that where 1658 01:22:08,220 --> 01:22:10,460 it's like, yeah, but what do I do different? 1659 01:22:11,090 --> 01:22:15,130 What am I supposed to do like and to me to like get on ETM 1660 01:22:15,130 --> 01:22:18,130 especially in underdog that's I'm like literally like very 1661 01:22:18,130 --> 01:22:20,770 encouraged by the fact that I am overweight on DraftKings cuz I'm 1662 01:22:20,770 --> 01:22:23,050 like OK like that. It cuz that is kind of what I 1663 01:22:23,050 --> 01:22:25,530 should do at least is like go to DraftKings, make sure I have 1664 01:22:25,570 --> 01:22:28,490 enough there where structurally it's so much easier to get them. 1665 01:22:28,890 --> 01:22:34,050 But even on underdog like I I can do, I can you know I can 1666 01:22:34,050 --> 01:22:36,130 take more Ridley. I can take more Metcalf and and 1667 01:22:36,130 --> 01:22:39,450 get some ETM that way maybe and and attacked that third round 1668 01:22:39,450 --> 01:22:43,530 wide receiver which I'm generally fading but maybe 1669 01:22:43,530 --> 01:22:46,010 that's a reason to like not fade that part of the draft so 1670 01:22:46,010 --> 01:22:48,130 aggressively. But I just think I actually 1671 01:22:48,130 --> 01:22:52,210 think that fading ETN right now is a little bit of a leak that I 1672 01:22:52,210 --> 01:22:55,250 have because yes Bigsby could be like a little bit of a problem. 1673 01:22:55,250 --> 01:23:00,050 But there is this thing where like a what third round rookie 1674 01:23:00,050 --> 01:23:05,370 is the only possible competition that he has like ETN could get. 1675 01:23:05,890 --> 01:23:09,970 ETN could turn a nice season with with only a a a rookie like 1676 01:23:09,970 --> 01:23:13,570 Bigsby who was a fine prospect not a not an amazing prospect 1677 01:23:13,570 --> 01:23:17,090 not someone we would expect to like take the job from ETN given 1678 01:23:17,090 --> 01:23:19,370 what he's shown in the NFL and is a prospect. 1679 01:23:20,010 --> 01:23:24,730 So I think, yeah, it's like a sneaky it's he's still like a a 1680 01:23:24,730 --> 01:23:27,450 sneaky buy, I think. Yeah, the last thing I'll say in 1681 01:23:27,450 --> 01:23:30,690 on ETN and then we can talk to some followers here is I think 1682 01:23:30,690 --> 01:23:33,410 that sometimes as fantasy drafters, we have my God. 1683 01:23:33,450 --> 01:23:35,610 We haven't got the followers, yeah. 1684 01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:42,120 We go quick through the fallers. But Davis, you showed up an 1685 01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:43,160 hour. Yeah, 30 minutes late. 1686 01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:44,840 Just wait until the stacking charts, David. 1687 01:23:45,440 --> 01:23:46,560 Yeah, those are, those have been. 1688 01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:49,840 Burnt. My God, we are so long winded. 1689 01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:53,240 Last thing I. There are fantasy football shows 1690 01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:55,520 that have gotten through every relevant preseason. 1691 01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:59,080 Take away in like 37 minutes, like 100%. 1692 01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:01,580 They're out there. Yeah, they definitely are. 1693 01:24:01,580 --> 01:24:03,300 Yeah. ADP Jason is we're just 1694 01:24:03,300 --> 01:24:06,740 basically doing, you know, reading Nathan Janke's snaps 1695 01:24:06,740 --> 01:24:09,700 article, but making it two hours long instead of a 10 minute 1696 01:24:09,700 --> 01:24:11,380 read. That's, that's that's a summary 1697 01:24:11,380 --> 01:24:13,220 of this show, basically. Oh my. 1698 01:24:15,300 --> 01:24:15,620 God. All right. 1699 01:24:15,620 --> 01:24:17,700 I'll skip my ETN take. Let's move on the followers No 1700 01:24:17,700 --> 01:24:19,740 no, I wanna hear no. No, please. 1701 01:24:19,740 --> 01:24:21,660 That would literally be off brand you. 1702 01:24:21,660 --> 01:24:23,100 We gotta get the ETN people know. 1703 01:24:23,100 --> 01:24:25,980 They it's August 14th. They know what they're signing 1704 01:24:25,980 --> 01:24:27,260 up for at this point. Yeah, that's true. 1705 01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:30,880 I just think we get too obsessed with this idea of like the 1706 01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:34,480 workhorse running back, like the Christian McCaffrey 2020 season, 1707 01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:37,800 and like any running back that doesn't project to be that. 1708 01:24:38,150 --> 01:24:42,150 We get so nervous about when in reality there's just like so few 1709 01:24:42,190 --> 01:24:43,710 of those. Better take Amari Cooper 1710 01:24:43,710 --> 01:24:44,630 instead. He can't. 1711 01:24:44,630 --> 01:24:46,430 He can't be. He can't be. 2020 Christian 1712 01:24:46,430 --> 01:24:47,670 McCaffrey. Better take Amari Cooper. 1713 01:24:47,670 --> 01:24:50,110 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's like it's not like ETN if 1714 01:24:50,110 --> 01:24:52,750 this, if he was a 12 turn pick, I would understand the 1715 01:24:52,750 --> 01:24:54,790 nitpicking. But like he's going next. 1716 01:24:54,790 --> 01:24:57,790 You know, wide receivers and offenses that might be horrible. 1717 01:24:57,790 --> 01:25:01,110 Like I like Terry Mclaurin. I like Drake London, Like I like 1718 01:25:01,110 --> 01:25:03,830 some of these guys. But ETN doesn't need to be a 1719 01:25:03,830 --> 01:25:06,790 workhorse back. He's going next to Packers Chase 1720 01:25:06,790 --> 01:25:09,350 Claypool, I mean. I heard someone say it might 1721 01:25:09,350 --> 01:25:11,990 have been, it might have been Crane who said why couldn't why 1722 01:25:11,990 --> 01:25:13,790 couldn't Christian Watson be Chase Claypool? 1723 01:25:13,790 --> 01:25:15,630 And it's been. I didn't say that, but it is. 1724 01:25:16,430 --> 01:25:19,430 Someone, someone on a podcast I was listening to said that and 1725 01:25:19,430 --> 01:25:24,110 it has been haunting me because it is so close, how those 1726 01:25:24,110 --> 01:25:27,430 comparisons could be like it's it's frightening. 1727 01:25:28,350 --> 01:25:30,950 But like, so there are a couple running backs like Barkley I 1728 01:25:30,950 --> 01:25:34,810 think is kind of like. That McCaffrey 2020 where you 1729 01:25:34,810 --> 01:25:36,810 can reasonably project that there are some of those guys 1730 01:25:36,810 --> 01:25:39,250 that exist this year. But Matt, so many good running 1731 01:25:39,250 --> 01:25:41,170 back seasons. The past couple years have been 1732 01:25:41,170 --> 01:25:44,610 with, you know, running backs that have running back twos on 1733 01:25:44,610 --> 01:25:46,610 their own team that have sizable roles. 1734 01:25:46,610 --> 01:25:49,250 Like Nick Chubbs. Been a RB one for what, three 1735 01:25:49,250 --> 01:25:51,650 years in a row with Cream Hunt stealing goal line work, 1736 01:25:51,650 --> 01:25:53,810 stealing targets like Austin Eckler's. 1737 01:25:53,810 --> 01:25:57,290 Played like a 40% snap share role for a couple years and 1738 01:25:57,290 --> 01:25:59,730 been, you know, RB one like even McCaffrey. 1739 01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:03,080 Daddy Eli Mitchell mixing in Aaron Jones has been awesome 1740 01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:06,160 with like AJ Dillon taking a huge share of you know in 1741 01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:08,440 between the 20s and goal lines. Starting to lose me a little bit 1742 01:26:08,440 --> 01:26:11,520 here cuz I mean Aaron Jones was was a second round pick last 1743 01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:13,240 year and it's not someone you wanted to have taken. 1744 01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:15,400 I think it's price. It's price. 1745 01:26:15,400 --> 01:26:17,040 It's price like you're. Yeah exactly. 1746 01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:20,520 It's a fourth round pick. Like I write the the legendary 1747 01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:23,200 running back article like I'm this is my thing like that. 1748 01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:25,120 We want the guys with the Christian McCaffrey upside. 1749 01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:28,080 But traditionally, I think I'm gonna go to the third round this 1750 01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:30,810 year, cuz there's just like not enough because the article is 1751 01:26:30,810 --> 01:26:34,610 not interesting if I only do 2 rounds I think, But there's a 1752 01:26:34,610 --> 01:26:37,490 reason I would never take it into the fourth round because 1753 01:26:37,730 --> 01:26:40,370 you don't need legendary upside from a fourth round pick. 1754 01:26:40,410 --> 01:26:46,250 No, especially in best ball like an ETN is going to be heavily 1755 01:26:46,250 --> 01:26:49,850 involved. You know he's not going to get 1756 01:26:49,850 --> 01:26:53,050 displaced by Tank Bigsby. I feel pretty confident about 1757 01:26:53,050 --> 01:26:55,290 that. Like you're going to get usable 1758 01:26:55,290 --> 01:26:59,050 production from a talented back in a good offense. 1759 01:27:00,070 --> 01:27:02,350 And honestly, like what if he does have most of the short 1760 01:27:02,350 --> 01:27:05,590 yardage stuff, Like then all of a sudden he can crush? 1761 01:27:05,630 --> 01:27:08,190 Like, I don't think he necessarily profiles his dude 1762 01:27:08,190 --> 01:27:10,070 with, probably because of the reception stuff. 1763 01:27:10,070 --> 01:27:13,070 Like I the legendary upside on him is a concern. 1764 01:27:13,950 --> 01:27:15,830 And so you could say, OK, he should be like more of a third 1765 01:27:15,830 --> 01:27:18,510 round pick, but he's a fourth round pick. 1766 01:27:19,110 --> 01:27:22,150 Yeah, yeah. And and we've talked about it 1767 01:27:22,150 --> 01:27:25,110 before, but you know he's going off the board at running back 1768 01:27:25,110 --> 01:27:28,110 fourteen, I think something like that traditionally that costs 1769 01:27:28,110 --> 01:27:30,440 you. The late 2nd, early third round 1770 01:27:30,440 --> 01:27:32,800 pick. You know, maybe not last year in 1771 01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:38,080 2022, but 2020-2021, RB 14 costs you like a late second round 1772 01:27:38,080 --> 01:27:41,240 pick and I think that's kind of the profile. 1773 01:27:41,240 --> 01:27:42,880 Yeah. So maybe, yeah, we go back to 1774 01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:45,440 2020. I'm probably not drafting, you 1775 01:27:45,440 --> 01:27:49,480 know, Travis Etn over Devantha Smith at pick 24 or whatever, 1776 01:27:49,480 --> 01:27:49,920 right? But. 1777 01:27:51,110 --> 01:27:53,750 That's not where we are. Like, we're choosing him over 1778 01:27:54,150 --> 01:27:58,230 Sam Howell's wide receiver one over Jordan loves wide receiver 1779 01:27:58,230 --> 01:28:01,950 one. It's so different at that price. 1780 01:28:01,950 --> 01:28:07,230 So anyways, we're getting the followers an hour and a half in 1781 01:28:07,590 --> 01:28:10,110 Dulcic. I think this one is maybe like. 1782 01:28:11,020 --> 01:28:13,860 One of the biggest preseason usage things that jumped out to 1783 01:28:13,860 --> 01:28:15,260 me. So curious your guy's take on 1784 01:28:15,260 --> 01:28:17,700 it. Bill Such was not playing in 1785 01:28:17,700 --> 01:28:21,580 three wide receiver sets. He was behind Troutman on the 1786 01:28:21,580 --> 01:28:24,260 depth chart that that is pretty concerning. 1787 01:28:24,340 --> 01:28:28,900 Take if I want to take a part time 47% route participation 1788 01:28:28,900 --> 01:28:32,140 tight end, I'll at least just take Dalton Kincaid because I it 1789 01:28:32,140 --> 01:28:35,040 would it's like. Missing out on the Dalton 1790 01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:38,000 Kincaid explosion in the three-week Sprint while Liam is 1791 01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:40,920 just like counting like Scrooge Mcducking into his money. 1792 01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:43,800 Like I can't bear it, so I literally would just rather take 1793 01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:48,040 Kincaid. Yeah, I can't argue that. 1794 01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:50,830 I can't argue that's that. Let me see I. 1795 01:28:50,830 --> 01:28:54,670 Think if you want this, you probably don't want Russell 1796 01:28:54,670 --> 01:28:57,510 Wilson's. I just, I just already done this 1797 01:28:57,510 --> 01:29:00,750 with the Denver tight end and like there was the, you know, 1798 01:29:00,790 --> 01:29:03,390 there was the dead cat bounce on Alberto, like he went down to 1799 01:29:03,390 --> 01:29:05,790 tight end 18 and then the team was like, no, no, no, he's the 1800 01:29:05,790 --> 01:29:08,110 starter, it's fine. And he went back up and I like 1801 01:29:08,110 --> 01:29:10,670 drafted him on the way back up and like I'm not doing that. 1802 01:29:10,830 --> 01:29:13,470 I'm like, not. It's not happening to me. 1803 01:29:13,950 --> 01:29:15,910 Yeah, I think you are. You're looking at Russell 1804 01:29:15,910 --> 01:29:19,390 Wilson's Dalton Kincaid. I have him like 10 spots below 1805 01:29:19,390 --> 01:29:23,260 Kincaid now and I and I was I'm below market on Kincaid. 1806 01:29:23,860 --> 01:29:27,500 So I I have a lot of Greg Dulcich, I've been in on 1807 01:29:27,500 --> 01:29:30,460 Dulcich. The thing that happened with me 1808 01:29:30,460 --> 01:29:33,340 is that I wrote these tight end articles. 1809 01:29:33,340 --> 01:29:35,860 I wrote one on Mark Andrews last week and one just came out this 1810 01:29:35,860 --> 01:29:38,460 morning on someone made fun of us before the show saying I 1811 01:29:38,460 --> 01:29:39,660 would reference an article that I wrote. 1812 01:29:39,660 --> 01:29:42,020 So Congrats, Congrats on nailing that. 1813 01:29:43,460 --> 01:29:47,620 But yeah, I just, I was researching this article and was 1814 01:29:47,620 --> 01:29:52,520 starting to get nervous about Greg Dulcich because he had 80% 1815 01:29:52,520 --> 01:29:55,080 route participation last year and there's a lot of reasons to 1816 01:29:55,320 --> 01:29:59,640 kind of worry that maybe he wasn't going to see that much 1817 01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:03,040 playing time. And now with after the 1818 01:30:03,040 --> 01:30:06,080 preseason, I think we should assume he's not going to see an 1819 01:30:06,160 --> 01:30:08,600 80% route rate. I mean that's that's a very good 1820 01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:11,480 route rate for a tight end. He could be significantly below 1821 01:30:11,480 --> 01:30:15,240 that. The path that I do see for him 1822 01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:19,650 is that maybe he could be like Jared Cook who was a part time 1823 01:30:19,650 --> 01:30:21,450 player. Cook was at 66% route 1824 01:30:21,450 --> 01:30:26,210 participation in a in a strong year with the Saints. 1825 01:30:26,730 --> 01:30:29,250 I think 2020 was the was the good year he had with the 1826 01:30:29,250 --> 01:30:33,490 Saints. No 202166 route, percent route 1827 01:30:33,490 --> 01:30:36,610 participation. He was at only 19% on play 1828 01:30:36,610 --> 01:30:39,370 action which is again indicator that he was not like a 1829 01:30:39,370 --> 01:30:41,330 traditional run blocking tight end. 1830 01:30:41,330 --> 01:30:44,890 He's really like truly just a big receiver, this Joker type 1831 01:30:44,890 --> 01:30:48,070 role. Peyton's called it, so maybe 1832 01:30:48,070 --> 01:30:49,830 Dolsich is like there Jared Cook. 1833 01:30:50,350 --> 01:30:54,590 And if he breaks out, I think he could pay off ADP that way. 1834 01:30:55,230 --> 01:30:56,830 But like, why would I bet on a guy? 1835 01:30:57,030 --> 01:30:59,270 To need to break out just to pay off ADP. 1836 01:30:59,510 --> 01:31:02,950 Scott Barrett makes this point a lot and I think it's actually 1837 01:31:02,950 --> 01:31:08,990 it's it's under under disgust. But like tight end seven, who 1838 01:31:09,070 --> 01:31:12,510 gives a shit if Greg Dolsich finishes as the tight end seven? 1839 01:31:12,550 --> 01:31:16,110 I think this the idea of him splitting all this time and 1840 01:31:16,110 --> 01:31:19,560 stuff with Troutman. Is like he well he's just 1841 01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:22,040 removed from being a top three tight end like he just will not 1842 01:31:22,040 --> 01:31:23,840 generate enough snaps and volume. 1843 01:31:24,040 --> 01:31:27,320 So what, what is the point? I mean I and obviously in Best 1844 01:31:27,320 --> 01:31:29,720 Ball it's a little bit different because there's value and just 1845 01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:33,000 like accumulating points. Actually Pat, you just did, I 1846 01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:35,720 actually this morning just listened to your. 1847 01:31:36,150 --> 01:31:40,150 Tight end premium podcast episode and it it got me, I mean 1848 01:31:40,150 --> 01:31:42,790 one it actually did get me more even more bullish on cow pits 1849 01:31:42,790 --> 01:31:46,190 which is an issue. But it made me, it made me, it 1850 01:31:46,190 --> 01:31:49,710 made me be like there literally is just no point in drafting 1851 01:31:49,710 --> 01:31:53,950 Evan Ingram, David and Joe Ku, Greg Dolsitch on and you you you 1852 01:31:53,950 --> 01:31:56,590 had a different no, I still like Friarmuth because I think that 1853 01:31:56,590 --> 01:31:59,270 he's going to play more than early indications are like he's 1854 01:31:59,270 --> 01:32:00,870 one of those bullets flying guys. 1855 01:32:02,190 --> 01:32:05,510 But yeah, that range of tight end it's it is just it is such a 1856 01:32:05,510 --> 01:32:09,270 classic human response of being like I need a little bit of 1857 01:32:09,270 --> 01:32:12,350 safety at tight end. I want to feel warm and cozy. 1858 01:32:12,350 --> 01:32:16,150 I want the tight end 9 but like the tight end 9 just does shit 1859 01:32:16,150 --> 01:32:18,630 for you. And I think that like Dolce's 1860 01:32:18,630 --> 01:32:21,270 range of outcomes if this is really the playing time they've 1861 01:32:21,270 --> 01:32:24,870 planned for him, are so narrow. He he like at best he can be 1862 01:32:24,870 --> 01:32:28,470 like the tight end 6 or like the tight end 22, you know? 1863 01:32:29,670 --> 01:32:31,510 Yeah, and there's just The thing is. 1864 01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:34,760 That that's the thing for me is that I think this doesn't drop 1865 01:32:34,760 --> 01:32:38,040 him into like undraftable range by no he means for me. 1866 01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:41,400 But it it drops him just into this huge tier of tight ends 1867 01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:44,400 where like like pick and choose whoever you want. 1868 01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:46,640 Like I, you know, I actually feel better about like Luke 1869 01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:49,960 Musgrave and Jake Ferguson's roles than I do Musgrave at this 1870 01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:55,560 than I do to this point like and they go 60 picks later where 1871 01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:58,160 wide receivers and running backs, especially running backs 1872 01:32:58,360 --> 01:33:00,770 like. There's no running backs left at 1873 01:33:00,770 --> 01:33:02,970 that point. Whereas if you're taking Dolcet, 1874 01:33:02,970 --> 01:33:05,970 you have to take him over like a Jalen Warren, you have to take 1875 01:33:05,970 --> 01:33:10,050 him over like a Tank Bigsby man, like that opportunity cost in 1876 01:33:10,050 --> 01:33:12,010 the two by two. You're just getting killed on 1877 01:33:12,010 --> 01:33:13,930 that. I think if you're taking Dolce, 1878 01:33:13,930 --> 01:33:16,370 I pick 130. So for me, it's just like I'll 1879 01:33:16,370 --> 01:33:18,770 unless you drop significantly. Even Sam La Porta. 1880 01:33:18,770 --> 01:33:20,450 Right? La Porta played all the snaps. 1881 01:33:20,490 --> 01:33:23,250 Yeah, Line Porters. I'm still like, why would I take 1882 01:33:23,250 --> 01:33:25,490 Porta? Yeah and ahead of a conquer. 1883 01:33:26,170 --> 01:33:31,640 But I'm open to changing that. Like those guys aren't because 1884 01:33:31,640 --> 01:33:33,440 it's. I think he's now kind of in that 1885 01:33:33,440 --> 01:33:34,640 range. And La Porta. 1886 01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:38,600 La Porta could have a higher route rate for sure like there. 1887 01:33:38,720 --> 01:33:41,240 I would be maybe even surprised if he didn't. 1888 01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:44,760 It's it. It's that like Dulcich showed 1889 01:33:44,800 --> 01:33:47,920 decently well as a rookie. Showed the ability to earn 1890 01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:49,840 playing time right away is a deep threat. 1891 01:33:49,880 --> 01:33:51,400 Which I think is is helpful, right. 1892 01:33:51,400 --> 01:33:53,280 Like if if anyone's going to get there on. 1893 01:33:53,280 --> 01:33:56,160 That's why I think the Jared Cook thing is pretty apt because 1894 01:33:56,160 --> 01:34:00,940 like he does sort of profiles A seam stretcher and so he can 1895 01:34:00,940 --> 01:34:03,300 kind of get there a little bit on efficiency, generate some 1896 01:34:03,300 --> 01:34:05,260 spike weeks even if he isn't a full time guy. 1897 01:34:06,700 --> 01:34:11,380 But yeah, I mean he's probably, yeah, he's part time tight end 1898 01:34:11,380 --> 01:34:13,940 and if you want to take Laporta over him, like I wouldn't really 1899 01:34:13,940 --> 01:34:20,220 have an issue with that. Yeah, let's talk Damian Harris. 1900 01:34:20,220 --> 01:34:23,060 This is more injury related than playing Tom. 1901 01:34:23,060 --> 01:34:25,260 We actually didn't see Damian Harris because he injured his 1902 01:34:25,260 --> 01:34:28,640 knee. Yeah, I guess not a whole lot to 1903 01:34:28,640 --> 01:34:31,400 discuss here. You guys have jumped the shark 1904 01:34:31,400 --> 01:34:34,640 on Damian Harris. Yeah, Gretch is already 1905 01:34:34,640 --> 01:34:37,080 capitulated in chat. They that he shouldn't have said 1906 01:34:37,080 --> 01:34:39,560 we jumped the shark on Damian Harris like 2 days later. 1907 01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:42,160 No, I actually think you guys did jump the shark on him like 1908 01:34:42,680 --> 01:34:45,480 he he is a very good handcuff to James Cook. 1909 01:34:45,480 --> 01:34:47,800 It doesn't mean that this drop in ADP isn't worth it. 1910 01:34:48,240 --> 01:34:50,240 Yeah, I don't know if he is. I don't think he is. 1911 01:34:51,200 --> 01:34:55,000 OK, here's the thing. The day, the day I let fear win 1912 01:34:55,120 --> 01:34:58,280 on Latavius Murray is the day I just retire from doing this. 1913 01:34:58,280 --> 01:35:01,120 Because, like, literally, if I'm going to sit here and be scared 1914 01:35:01,280 --> 01:35:04,920 of of the oldest running back in the NFL, I should just do 1915 01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:05,880 something else. I should. 1916 01:35:05,960 --> 01:35:07,000 I should. I don't know. 1917 01:35:07,040 --> 01:35:09,760 I should go, but think about think about how many times you 1918 01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:11,600 have to be right for for Harris to right. 1919 01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:16,600 Harris has to have something left which seems not like a like 1920 01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:19,200 a surefire slam dunk bet. Given that we're hearing about 1921 01:35:19,200 --> 01:35:21,680 Latavius Murray, right? He should he should have dusted 1922 01:35:21,680 --> 01:35:24,800 Latavius Murray right away. So there's like the talent 1923 01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:26,560 question of like what? How much he has left in the 1924 01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:29,480 tank. Then there's he's probably a 1925 01:35:29,480 --> 01:35:31,160 contingent play. He's a handcuffed play. 1926 01:35:31,160 --> 01:35:34,920 So this cook get hurt early in the season, in which case 1927 01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:37,520 Latavius Murray is probably still kicking around, right? 1928 01:35:37,520 --> 01:35:39,760 So you kind of need it's like a contingent play that's probably 1929 01:35:39,760 --> 01:35:41,680 limited to the second-half of the season when Latavius Murray 1930 01:35:41,680 --> 01:35:45,670 has completely faded with his like 35 year old legs or 1931 01:35:45,670 --> 01:35:48,430 whatever. So it's like it's a very seems 1932 01:35:48,430 --> 01:35:52,110 like a very specific thing needs to happen for Harris to to bury 1933 01:35:52,110 --> 01:35:55,110 me. I mean, I don't think he's like 1934 01:35:55,110 --> 01:35:57,310 a Bear like this drop in a DP is fine. 1935 01:35:57,430 --> 01:36:00,750 He seems like a perfectly objective, like fine pick to me. 1936 01:36:00,750 --> 01:36:02,870 Where he goes, I don't think he's a league winner. 1937 01:36:03,590 --> 01:36:06,630 You know, you're his path. His path to beating you is that 1938 01:36:06,630 --> 01:36:09,230 James Cook is too small and that with Davies. 1939 01:36:09,230 --> 01:36:12,550 Murray is 33 and and he scores 11 rushing touchdowns. 1940 01:36:12,550 --> 01:36:16,610 That's it. So like, Harris's ADP is 126. 1941 01:36:17,010 --> 01:36:21,770 Tyler Algiers ADP is 141. Why would I take him over Tyler 1942 01:36:21,770 --> 01:36:24,450 Algier? Because there is zero chance 1943 01:36:24,450 --> 01:36:27,690 that Bijan isn't force fed. There is some chance that they 1944 01:36:27,690 --> 01:36:32,050 decide James Cook isn't up to it like low, but some chance OK. 1945 01:36:32,650 --> 01:36:35,410 That's, that's fair. But I still think they shouldn't 1946 01:36:35,410 --> 01:36:37,170 be like back-to-back. That's the thing. 1947 01:36:37,170 --> 01:36:40,890 Like man ahead of He's ahead of Bigsby, ahead of Warren. 1948 01:36:41,430 --> 01:36:44,070 That's I guess it's kind of a micro take like I'm not saying 1949 01:36:44,630 --> 01:36:47,750 you know put Damien Harris in the same range as Taiji Spears. 1950 01:36:47,750 --> 01:36:50,110 I'm just saying like where he goes I think is like pretty 1951 01:36:50,110 --> 01:36:53,670 clearly like 15 spots ish overvalued and I'm just. 1952 01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:56,320 I don't know. Never clicking, Jalen Warren. 1953 01:36:57,200 --> 01:37:00,880 This is another reason, by the way, why it's so easy for me to 1954 01:37:00,880 --> 01:37:02,600 just take gain. Well, on every draft cuz like 1955 01:37:02,600 --> 01:37:07,680 I've got 0% Kendra Miller, I've got like 4% Harris drum forward. 1956 01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:09,480 I don't want to take it all anymore. 1957 01:37:09,720 --> 01:37:12,600 So it's like it's like there's like a there's like 30 spots in 1958 01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:15,040 ADP where there's one running back I want to take and it's 1959 01:37:15,040 --> 01:37:16,920 gained well. So I'll just take him, cuz I 1960 01:37:16,920 --> 01:37:19,780 don't care, right. Yeah, that I I completely agree 1961 01:37:19,780 --> 01:37:20,420 with that. With gain. 1962 01:37:20,420 --> 01:37:21,580 Well, it's like you get to the point. 1963 01:37:21,820 --> 01:37:25,260 The other thing is that I still kind of want to be done at 1964 01:37:25,260 --> 01:37:29,980 running back up like earlier, you know, like if I can, if it 1965 01:37:30,180 --> 01:37:33,060 makes sense, like I want to. Take my 3rd, 4th and 5th running 1966 01:37:33,060 --> 01:37:37,620 back between pick 95 and pick 140 and then just be be clean my 1967 01:37:37,660 --> 01:37:39,820 hands done. That's how I love to do that 1968 01:37:39,820 --> 01:37:43,220 right and gain well right now 12th round, 13th round, you just 1969 01:37:43,220 --> 01:37:46,060 take gain well and you're at your RB 5 and you're done at 1970 01:37:46,060 --> 01:37:47,860 running back. I I really like that. 1971 01:37:49,760 --> 01:37:52,920 So yeah, I don't, I don't really want to be messing with Harris 1972 01:37:52,920 --> 01:37:55,240 right now. My thing is not that like Harris 1973 01:37:55,240 --> 01:37:58,920 is going to get like passed by Latavius Marie necessarily, but 1974 01:37:58,920 --> 01:38:02,680 like it could just be ugly. It could just be hanging around. 1975 01:38:03,040 --> 01:38:04,960 Yeah. Like, he just doesn't really 1976 01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:08,720 have that much value. Like, it's like a contingent 1977 01:38:08,720 --> 01:38:11,840 version of getting to the Eagles backfield, you know what I mean? 1978 01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:15,760 Like, Cook goes down and now we have the Eagles backfield where 1979 01:38:15,920 --> 01:38:19,190 it's like kind of a muddled mess and we're hoping to be at Spike 1980 01:38:19,190 --> 01:38:21,790 week, so that could be wrong. I mean, maybe I'm underrating 1981 01:38:21,790 --> 01:38:25,510 Harris, but I mean, that's another Latavius Murray. 1982 01:38:25,510 --> 01:38:27,230 They're talking about him in short yardage too, so that's 1983 01:38:27,230 --> 01:38:29,950 another concern. It's also like Latavius, like 1984 01:38:29,950 --> 01:38:32,870 the and I'd have to look into this to make sure I'm not just 1985 01:38:34,110 --> 01:38:36,470 misleading people. But Davian Harris has never been 1986 01:38:36,470 --> 01:38:39,390 trusted, really, in pass blocking or pass catching with 1987 01:38:39,390 --> 01:38:41,790 the Patriots and Latavius Murray throughout his career. 1988 01:38:41,790 --> 01:38:44,670 He's never been like an elite pass catcher, but he's filled in 1989 01:38:44,670 --> 01:38:48,030 for that role for Alvin Camara. Nine years past, you know he 1990 01:38:48,070 --> 01:38:49,830 went back when he was at the Raiders a long time ago. 1991 01:38:49,830 --> 01:38:52,310 He did get some decent pass game usage. 1992 01:38:52,310 --> 01:38:57,510 So that's where I'm thinking, like if Cook goes down, doesn't, 1993 01:38:57,590 --> 01:39:00,350 isn't Latavius Murray more likely to be the pass catching 1994 01:39:00,350 --> 01:39:03,510 back than Damien Harris? Like, Harris has been efficient 1995 01:39:03,510 --> 01:39:05,630 as a receiver, which is one of the things Gretch was pointing, 1996 01:39:06,190 --> 01:39:10,510 pushing back on that, you know, he actually has OK, held up 1997 01:39:10,590 --> 01:39:12,470 totally fine. Like when given the opportunity, 1998 01:39:12,470 --> 01:39:14,430 he's been totally fine in yards per hour running stuff. 1999 01:39:14,430 --> 01:39:18,400 Like it might have just been the Patriots, not, you know, they 2000 01:39:18,480 --> 01:39:20,160 they kind of segment out those roles. 2001 01:39:20,160 --> 01:39:20,960 We know that. Yeah, that's true. 2002 01:39:21,920 --> 01:39:26,160 He's never been below 1.0 yards per hour in his entire career, 2003 01:39:26,640 --> 01:39:29,200 1.10 career yards per hour. And so it's not like he's been 2004 01:39:29,200 --> 01:39:33,200 amazing or anything, but he's been capable as a receiver every 2005 01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:34,520 single year. Anytime he's been given an 2006 01:39:34,520 --> 01:39:36,720 opportunity, he just hasn't really been given many 2007 01:39:36,720 --> 01:39:39,200 opportunities. It would be tough to say. 2008 01:39:39,200 --> 01:39:42,320 I mean, I think he could. It'd be really up to the bills. 2009 01:39:42,320 --> 01:39:44,720 And you know, I don't know what they would decide to do there. 2010 01:39:45,350 --> 01:39:47,270 Yeah, I guess that's yeah, that's still kind of a toss up. 2011 01:39:47,270 --> 01:39:49,910 But yeah, I mean, he's a guy who's topped out, I guess 17 2012 01:39:49,910 --> 01:39:52,070 receptions last year in 11 games. 2013 01:39:52,070 --> 01:39:55,350 That's not terrible from Harris, But then you know, prior years 2014 01:39:55,350 --> 01:40:00,230 and that it was 18 catches and 15 games in 20215 catches in 2015 01:40:00,230 --> 01:40:02,590 2020. Like he's just barely, barely 2016 01:40:02,590 --> 01:40:05,230 been used there. But like you said, it could be 2017 01:40:05,230 --> 01:40:08,310 more of a Patriots thing than a Harris thing. 2018 01:40:09,270 --> 01:40:13,650 The last thing I want to get to. Here for the Followers is Jerome 2019 01:40:13,650 --> 01:40:15,370 Ford. He's down 8 spots. 2020 01:40:15,370 --> 01:40:17,810 Again, just an injury thing for me. 2021 01:40:17,810 --> 01:40:21,650 I have been buying the dip on this because it seems like like 2022 01:40:21,650 --> 01:40:24,970 he's likely fine for Week 1, or at least like it's not a 2023 01:40:24,970 --> 01:40:27,010 longterm issue for him and for me. 2024 01:40:27,010 --> 01:40:29,930 This is, you know, Jerome Ford. I wasn't looking for early 2025 01:40:29,930 --> 01:40:32,650 season points anyways, so I'm kind of like, you know, the 2026 01:40:32,650 --> 01:40:36,330 preseason usage signaled he was the clear running back to there. 2027 01:40:36,450 --> 01:40:39,410 I guess maybe there's more rest that bring in a veteran, maybe. 2028 01:40:39,410 --> 01:40:42,910 But he still feels like to me, like there's a point where 2029 01:40:43,510 --> 01:40:45,550 basically all the running backs to me are like close to 2030 01:40:45,550 --> 01:40:47,830 undraftable. He's still before that, like I'm 2031 01:40:47,830 --> 01:40:49,430 still taking stabs and Jerome Ford. 2032 01:40:50,310 --> 01:40:53,910 He's to that point. The thing I stopped drafting 2033 01:40:53,910 --> 01:40:56,910 him, but I stopped drafting him because he was my most drafted 2034 01:40:56,910 --> 01:40:58,870 player when this hamstring injury happened. 2035 01:40:58,870 --> 01:41:01,830 So I felt sick to my stomach because I thought I was just 2036 01:41:02,030 --> 01:41:05,990 eating zeros already. The The thing is is that this 2037 01:41:05,990 --> 01:41:08,650 is. This is like the the New York 2038 01:41:08,650 --> 01:41:11,010 Giants wide receiver thing that we talk about of like they're 2039 01:41:11,010 --> 01:41:15,170 paying Jerome for nothing. He has no demonstrable success 2040 01:41:15,410 --> 01:41:19,570 in in the NFL to their team like it it he was. 2041 01:41:19,570 --> 01:41:23,890 So he's just de facto the running back to so like if de 2042 01:41:23,890 --> 01:41:26,930 metric Felton. You know really crushes in camp 2043 01:41:26,930 --> 01:41:31,690 for the next three weeks or John Kelly, like is is you know the 2044 01:41:31,690 --> 01:41:34,290 coaching Staffs, new favorite guy or just like whatever. 2045 01:41:34,570 --> 01:41:38,690 He's he is not insulated or protected by a contract by prior 2046 01:41:38,690 --> 01:41:41,650 service or anything. And the worst thing that can 2047 01:41:41,650 --> 01:41:45,530 happen to a guy whose role is de facto is an injury where you're 2048 01:41:45,530 --> 01:41:49,970 just not available. You know, So it it it just feels 2049 01:41:49,970 --> 01:41:51,850 bad. Like, not that I think it's bad 2050 01:41:51,850 --> 01:41:55,050 to be taking him where he goes, but I just personally. 2051 01:41:55,490 --> 01:41:57,370 I needed to smooth it out because I couldn't have. 2052 01:41:57,370 --> 01:42:00,370 That's fair. This giant, you know, I couldn't 2053 01:42:00,370 --> 01:42:04,530 have 35% of this guy who like, I don't know, maybe would not 2054 01:42:04,530 --> 01:42:06,410 touch the ball until week five or something. 2055 01:42:07,810 --> 01:42:09,250 Yeah. Pat, what are your thoughts on 2056 01:42:09,250 --> 01:42:10,970 Ford? David told me a little bit that 2057 01:42:10,970 --> 01:42:14,130 it is true that it was somewhat of a tenuous script on learning 2058 01:42:14,130 --> 01:42:16,770 back to role. So I do see the argument of 2059 01:42:16,770 --> 01:42:18,290 being a little bit more worried than I am. 2060 01:42:18,610 --> 01:42:21,150 What are your thoughts? Well, it wasn't tenuous from 2061 01:42:21,270 --> 01:42:25,310 what they had indicated, right? Like they back in the combine in 2062 01:42:25,310 --> 01:42:28,630 Matthew Berry's article, he had, you know, they're really high on 2063 01:42:28,630 --> 01:42:33,390 drum Ford, like expect him to be locked in as the RB2 and that 2064 01:42:34,110 --> 01:42:36,510 held true like up until the hamstring injury. 2065 01:42:36,510 --> 01:42:40,270 I mean, no, no draft guys coming in, no free agents. 2066 01:42:40,710 --> 01:42:43,430 They haven't been tied to any of the free agent running backs. 2067 01:42:43,830 --> 01:42:47,350 So they seem to be like pretty into him, but. 2068 01:42:47,870 --> 01:42:50,510 I also think, yeah, teams sometimes like these injuries, 2069 01:42:50,510 --> 01:42:53,270 like it changes things. It really does. 2070 01:42:53,510 --> 01:42:56,590 Like, yeah, guys can be having some great camp, be earning all 2071 01:42:56,590 --> 01:42:59,390 this praise and then they miss 2 weeks and it's like, sorry bud. 2072 01:42:59,870 --> 01:43:00,950 Yeah, they. I mean, it does. 2073 01:43:00,950 --> 01:43:04,390 It's weird like how much. It's almost like, I mean, if you 2074 01:43:05,310 --> 01:43:08,030 wanted to play, I don't know why you got injured, Like it's 2075 01:43:08,030 --> 01:43:09,990 almost like something like that, which is obviously stupid. 2076 01:43:09,990 --> 01:43:12,990 But there, you know, there's like a football coach mentality 2077 01:43:12,990 --> 01:43:14,750 for sure. Yeah, so. 2078 01:43:15,770 --> 01:43:17,370 I'm a little bit nervous about him too. 2079 01:43:17,370 --> 01:43:21,210 I just don't know, like, do I want to take him over like any 2080 01:43:21,210 --> 01:43:22,690 of these other running backs, like or? 2081 01:43:22,690 --> 01:43:24,530 Sorry, do I want to take any of these other running backs over 2082 01:43:24,530 --> 01:43:26,410 him that I have right behind him? 2083 01:43:26,410 --> 01:43:27,890 Not really like debit Singletary. 2084 01:43:27,930 --> 01:43:29,570 Yeah. Like what I really like Jeff 2085 01:43:29,570 --> 01:43:32,410 Wilson. I really like Chuba Hubbard is 2086 01:43:32,530 --> 01:43:34,290 Chuba Hubbard is the guy I take now. 2087 01:43:34,330 --> 01:43:38,530 Instead, I'm like, I'm just like all in on a on Chuba Hubbard. 2088 01:43:38,530 --> 01:43:39,970 It's like sort of unintentionally. 2089 01:43:40,340 --> 01:43:42,180 The reporting on that one is interesting because it's been, 2090 01:43:42,180 --> 01:43:44,300 it's been mixed. Like I saw, I believe it was 2091 01:43:44,300 --> 01:43:49,060 Cody Carpentier say that like when he watched practice, it was 2092 01:43:49,060 --> 01:43:51,620 just Chuba and Sanders with the ones. 2093 01:43:51,620 --> 01:43:53,500 But then other reporting has been like, you know, 2094 01:43:53,500 --> 01:43:55,660 Blackshear's looking really good and Chuba hasn't really 2095 01:43:55,660 --> 01:43:58,300 separated and even like Visca's getting some running back worse. 2096 01:43:58,380 --> 01:44:01,540 So, but now I mean we we did sort of partially get the answer 2097 01:44:01,540 --> 01:44:05,500 to that because Bryce Young played 11 snaps and Chuba played 2098 01:44:05,500 --> 01:44:09,300 11 snaps with him. Like I I mean, I missed that 2099 01:44:09,300 --> 01:44:11,320 nugget. That sort of that sort of tells 2100 01:44:11,320 --> 01:44:15,960 me that, I mean, yeah, I saw the same tweets of being like they 2101 01:44:15,960 --> 01:44:17,560 were just alternating first team drills. 2102 01:44:17,560 --> 01:44:18,760 True. I I'm just not. 2103 01:44:18,760 --> 01:44:21,920 I'm not afraid of Rahim Blackshear like I'm. 2104 01:44:22,320 --> 01:44:25,920 The other thing I would say about, yeah, you're right on 2105 01:44:25,920 --> 01:44:28,560 that, that pieces and usage was really I I missed that nugget, 2106 01:44:28,560 --> 01:44:31,880 but that that was bullish or Hubbard 11 out of 11 snaps with 2107 01:44:31,880 --> 01:44:34,120 Bryce Young is, is pretty good. Sorry, sorry. 2108 01:44:34,120 --> 01:44:34,960 Yeah. That is, that is. 2109 01:44:35,760 --> 01:44:37,320 That that. I'm glad you emphasize that 2110 01:44:37,320 --> 01:44:39,320 because that's a more that's a better point than what I'm about 2111 01:44:39,320 --> 01:44:42,800 to make. But the the Frank Reich stuff, 2112 01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:46,440 like he's just struck me as like he doesn't really want to talk 2113 01:44:46,440 --> 01:44:49,360 about stuff. Like Raheem Blackshear was like 2114 01:44:49,360 --> 01:44:51,200 one of the guys he singled out originally. 2115 01:44:51,200 --> 01:44:53,960 But like, he didn't really single out players and I felt 2116 01:44:53,960 --> 01:44:56,320 like kind of like pulling, like give us something Frank, you 2117 01:44:56,320 --> 01:44:58,200 know, and like the Leviscus stuff, right? 2118 01:44:59,310 --> 01:45:02,190 I went back, obviously, and watched what he said about 2119 01:45:02,190 --> 01:45:04,510 Lavisco and they're like, we like, we might have some 2120 01:45:04,510 --> 01:45:08,230 packages for him and stuff. It was the most like, yeah, I 2121 01:45:08,230 --> 01:45:10,430 don't know, man, like it's fucking July. 2122 01:45:10,430 --> 01:45:11,630 Like we're figuring stuff. Out. 2123 01:45:11,630 --> 01:45:13,350 Yeah, yeah. Lavisco's on the roster. 2124 01:45:13,350 --> 01:45:15,870 Yeah, he's on the like, we could use him like that, I guess 2125 01:45:15,870 --> 01:45:18,230 maybe. But like, shut up. 2126 01:45:18,590 --> 01:45:20,030 Like he just seemed like so annoyed. 2127 01:45:20,030 --> 01:45:23,310 Michael Crane is literally the Michael Jordan of watching NFL 2128 01:45:23,310 --> 01:45:26,390 press conferences this guy is so good at. 2129 01:45:26,720 --> 01:45:30,520 Getting the right context. You know, like interpreting the 2130 01:45:30,520 --> 01:45:32,480 inflection like this. No one's better. 2131 01:45:32,480 --> 01:45:36,760 No one's better than this guy at an NFL press conference. 2132 01:45:37,200 --> 01:45:39,320 Interpretation. Right. 2133 01:45:39,360 --> 01:45:41,760 Well, yeah, I'm bullish because I look. 2134 01:45:42,160 --> 01:45:44,240 I wanted to. I went there to go be bullish on 2135 01:45:44,240 --> 01:45:46,080 VISCA. I did and I didn't come away. 2136 01:45:46,080 --> 01:45:48,360 There's a reason I wasn't tweeting about VISCA afterwards. 2137 01:45:48,360 --> 01:45:50,680 And I was like, I don't think this guy has any issues and you 2138 01:45:50,880 --> 01:45:54,080 think I gotta, I gotta delete my bit, my pro Bisca tweet. 2139 01:45:54,120 --> 01:45:56,120 At least I hatched it with saying like this might be my 2140 01:45:56,120 --> 01:45:57,160 worst. Take it offseason. 2141 01:45:57,160 --> 01:45:59,400 So no, no, it was. I can always say it was a joke 2142 01:45:59,400 --> 01:46:00,160 if it turns. Out what? 2143 01:46:00,320 --> 01:46:05,560 No, because because until the Visco retires from Pro Football, 2144 01:46:05,560 --> 01:46:08,340 I will be holding. That he could have been Debo 2145 01:46:08,340 --> 01:46:12,020 Samuel if he was like willing to take his diet seriously and got 2146 01:46:12,020 --> 01:46:15,580 like 10% faster. Oh, I mean, I I still think 2147 01:46:15,580 --> 01:46:17,260 that. I just don't know that they're 2148 01:46:17,260 --> 01:46:19,660 gonna use him enough. I mean, they just seem he's 2149 01:46:19,660 --> 01:46:22,180 like, yeah, I guess like we're gonna have like a sub package 2150 01:46:22,180 --> 01:46:23,900 set up for our wide receiver 6. Why? 2151 01:46:23,980 --> 01:46:25,540 Why? But why do you care about that? 2152 01:46:29,680 --> 01:46:33,360 Yeah, Terrace Marshalls direct backup is just gonna get 4 2153 01:46:33,360 --> 01:46:36,160 carries this. Yeah, You asked about it a lot. 2154 01:46:36,280 --> 01:46:37,520 I guess we'll probably do it some. 2155 01:46:38,560 --> 01:46:40,280 All right. One I when we're talking about 2156 01:46:40,280 --> 01:46:44,720 Jerome Ford, Pat, I didn't wanna throw out one name Zamir White 2157 01:46:44,720 --> 01:46:47,720 versus Jerome Ford. What what's your decision there 2158 01:46:47,720 --> 01:46:52,160 cuz Zamir White has been like very clearly I think the the RV2 2159 01:46:52,600 --> 01:46:56,310 obviously I do expect Jacobs to be back, but he's one where I 2160 01:46:56,310 --> 01:46:59,710 would I think launch him ahead of Ford in in my rankings. 2161 01:47:00,470 --> 01:47:04,630 What are your thoughts on that? I I think my thoughts are that 2162 01:47:04,630 --> 01:47:08,190 I'm anchored to the old Zamir White ADP because I don't really 2163 01:47:08,190 --> 01:47:13,270 have a case against it. Like, not only does Zamir White 2164 01:47:13,270 --> 01:47:16,750 also look like the number 2, just like Ford did, I don't 2165 01:47:16,790 --> 01:47:19,150 really have any reason to think Ford's better than White. 2166 01:47:19,390 --> 01:47:22,790 In fact, White is. He's the size, size, speed, 2167 01:47:22,790 --> 01:47:27,150 combo guy. Then you also have the 2168 01:47:27,150 --> 01:47:30,670 uncertainty with Josh Jacobs. Like there's a nonzero percent 2169 01:47:30,670 --> 01:47:32,870 chance that Jacobs doesn't play for the Raiders this year, 2170 01:47:33,350 --> 01:47:35,430 probably pretty close to 0, but it's nonzero. 2171 01:47:35,830 --> 01:47:40,510 So I mean that's some serious upside that you're getting baked 2172 01:47:40,510 --> 01:47:42,590 in as a little icing on the cake there. 2173 01:47:43,350 --> 01:47:45,910 So I don't know, I don't really, I don't want to do it, but I 2174 01:47:45,910 --> 01:47:48,630 think I am going to put him ahead of drum forward in my 2175 01:47:48,630 --> 01:47:50,470 ranks. Yeah, he's he's one. 2176 01:47:50,470 --> 01:47:53,830 I've been reaching on Zamir White because it gets to a point 2177 01:47:53,830 --> 01:47:58,550 where I'm like man, and again, not to do Devin Singletary to 2178 01:47:58,550 --> 01:48:01,590 slander him again but I'm like Devin Singletary or Zamir White. 2179 01:48:01,590 --> 01:48:05,830 It's like, why is Singletary going 30 picks higher like he's 2180 01:48:05,830 --> 01:48:07,670 it makes it actually makes no sense. 2181 01:48:07,670 --> 01:48:13,310 Singletary should be falling. A lot like he's not. 2182 01:48:14,110 --> 01:48:16,470 He's not even the third down back for the Texans. 2183 01:48:17,090 --> 01:48:19,410 Yeah, yeah, I was. I was taking him like I I don't 2184 01:48:19,410 --> 01:48:21,010 wanna. I think taking him was fine. 2185 01:48:21,010 --> 01:48:23,610 When we thought he was. Yeah, 12% Singletary on 2186 01:48:23,610 --> 01:48:25,610 underdog. OK, like, I'm not making fun of 2187 01:48:25,610 --> 01:48:28,370 you took him. I clearly burned some money with 2188 01:48:28,370 --> 01:48:32,090 this, but like, he's not even the third down back. 2189 01:48:32,290 --> 01:48:36,930 What is he? Yeah, yeah, it doesn't make a 2190 01:48:36,930 --> 01:48:38,330 ton of, it doesn't make a ton of sense. 2191 01:48:38,330 --> 01:48:39,970 And it's also, we're talking to Texans, right? 2192 01:48:39,970 --> 01:48:42,530 I mean, I guess you can say the Raiders aren't too exciting 2193 01:48:42,530 --> 01:48:45,750 either, but I think Singletary is 1 again. 2194 01:49:06,550 --> 01:49:08,190 Yeah, it's like, all right, great, great. 2195 01:48:45,750 --> 01:48:48,270 I was taking him. That's one I'm gonna slow down 2196 01:48:48,270 --> 01:48:49,750 on. That's the thing, right? 2197 01:48:49,910 --> 01:48:53,830 And maybe we can wrap up here with sort of a macro take. 2198 01:48:53,830 --> 01:48:57,190 But man, the people who are saying like, don't react to the 2199 01:48:57,190 --> 01:49:01,230 preseason, like don't let your previous exposures, everyone 2200 01:49:01,710 --> 01:49:05,030 overreacted about Josh Jacobs playing in the Hall of Fame. 2201 01:49:08,190 --> 01:49:09,950 You've got one like. There are. 2202 01:49:09,950 --> 01:49:11,710 You can admit you make mistakes too. 2203 01:49:11,750 --> 01:49:14,510 Yeah, like, oh, you were going to draft high end 11 Albert 2204 01:49:14,510 --> 01:49:16,670 Okui, Boonem Like when? When the coaching? 2205 01:49:16,670 --> 01:49:18,750 Staff was literally saying like, we hate this guy. 2206 01:49:18,750 --> 01:49:21,030 Like this is our least favorite person on the planet. 2207 01:49:21,030 --> 01:49:25,550 Like there there are so many instances of really good when 2208 01:49:25,630 --> 01:49:27,630 they're calling him Albert O. It's a red flag. 2209 01:49:29,270 --> 01:49:30,070 It's a. Red flag. 2210 01:49:30,070 --> 01:49:33,070 I mean there there, there are millions. 2211 01:49:33,470 --> 01:49:35,630 Not millions. There are hundreds of instances 2212 01:49:35,630 --> 01:49:39,030 of good preseason information that we have gotten over the 2213 01:49:39,030 --> 01:49:43,070 years. So to say don't react like there 2214 01:49:43,070 --> 01:49:47,630 is a right way and a wrong way. And I think the the most correct 2215 01:49:47,630 --> 01:49:51,950 way is to understand that like teams can be doing weird stuff 2216 01:49:52,230 --> 01:49:53,670 like with the Eagles running backs. 2217 01:49:53,670 --> 01:49:56,870 Like, I think it's roughly positive for game. 2218 01:49:56,870 --> 01:49:59,750 Well, but it doesn't mean Penny, Swift or any of these other guys 2219 01:49:59,750 --> 01:50:03,530 are dead. It does not because because 2220 01:50:03,770 --> 01:50:05,730 Nathan Yankee. Mentioned this in his. 2221 01:50:05,730 --> 01:50:08,890 Article Last year in the preseason, Eagles did the same 2222 01:50:08,890 --> 01:50:11,490 thing. Where they used gain well is the 2223 01:50:11,490 --> 01:50:13,610 early down back and Sanders is the third. 2224 01:50:13,610 --> 01:50:15,770 Just like see what they could. Just see if they could do it 2225 01:50:15,770 --> 01:50:19,090 just to throw them and some live action like it. 2226 01:50:19,130 --> 01:50:22,650 It doesn't ever mean one thing and it doesn't mean that that's 2227 01:50:22,650 --> 01:50:24,210 how they would call things in week one. 2228 01:50:24,210 --> 01:50:26,890 But they're trying stuff out and it's important to notice, like 2229 01:50:26,890 --> 01:50:29,930 what guys are being asked to do and why they might be asked to 2230 01:50:29,930 --> 01:50:33,000 do it. Yeah, and I I dropped a penny in 2231 01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:36,920 my ranks, but you know. I think, I think that's 2232 01:50:36,920 --> 01:50:40,640 defensible, but I still have him pretty high, like 5-5 spots 2233 01:50:40,640 --> 01:50:43,400 behind EDP now. So I said I didn't freak out or 2234 01:50:43,400 --> 01:50:48,880 anything, I don't think, but I'm going to be dropping Singletary 2235 01:50:48,880 --> 01:50:53,720 more and it's like, OK, what was what did we think about these 2236 01:50:53,720 --> 01:50:56,480 players coming in Like Singletary to me is like, well, 2237 01:50:56,480 --> 01:50:59,160 I don't think Singletary is very good, but. 2238 01:50:59,840 --> 01:51:02,440 You know, maybe he has a chance to work into a committee with 2239 01:51:02,560 --> 01:51:04,120 with Pierce. Like we don't know that much 2240 01:51:04,120 --> 01:51:07,720 about Pierce and he's at least clearly the contingent play. 2241 01:51:08,160 --> 01:51:11,520 And then we get information that like, yeah, maybe he's like 2242 01:51:12,280 --> 01:51:14,360 maybe he's the contingent play still, but probably only on 2243 01:51:14,560 --> 01:51:17,720 early downs. And also there's like a 0% 2244 01:51:17,720 --> 01:51:20,080 chance that he would be working into any kind of committee 2245 01:51:20,080 --> 01:51:22,400 because he's probably not even playing on 3rd downs. 2246 01:51:23,440 --> 01:51:26,000 I'm. And if my initial take away was 2247 01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:28,200 like, this guy's not good, but at least I got a role and then 2248 01:51:28,200 --> 01:51:31,590 the role comes in question like. We should be reacting pretty 2249 01:51:31,590 --> 01:51:34,110 strongly to that, I think. Whereas with Penny, I think 2250 01:51:34,110 --> 01:51:38,630 Penny is an awesome rusher. And so now it's just like I'm 2251 01:51:38,630 --> 01:51:41,590 trying to dial in the best price to get on that awesome rusher 2252 01:51:41,590 --> 01:51:45,790 relative to his opportunity. And if I end up overweight on 2253 01:51:45,790 --> 01:51:49,470 him, you know, even though he ends up being a backup, like, so 2254 01:51:49,470 --> 01:51:51,710 be it. Because I'm betting on talent 2255 01:51:52,350 --> 01:51:54,670 and you know, so with Penny like. 2256 01:51:55,700 --> 01:51:58,940 My take on that is that I want to move game well up and be more 2257 01:51:58,940 --> 01:52:00,260 aggressive about getting game well. 2258 01:52:00,900 --> 01:52:03,660 But I only want to move Penny down a little because I still 2259 01:52:03,660 --> 01:52:06,180 want to be getting some Penny just because. 2260 01:52:06,540 --> 01:52:09,420 I mean, dude, if they lean on him behind this offensive line, 2261 01:52:09,420 --> 01:52:11,580 like he could be a smash, he could go nuts. 2262 01:52:12,420 --> 01:52:16,380 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree. With all that and like. 2263 01:52:16,380 --> 01:52:20,680 Again, I think it's OK to admit you made mistakes early in the 2264 01:52:20,680 --> 01:52:21,960 offseason. I think some people will be 2265 01:52:21,960 --> 01:52:23,560 like, oh, you're, you know, wishy washy. 2266 01:52:23,560 --> 01:52:25,960 You were high in him now then, and you're saying, I've drafted 2267 01:52:25,960 --> 01:52:29,920 now like I've already. I've already like I've already 2268 01:52:29,920 --> 01:52:33,720 messed up so many things. You know, I mean, imagine if you 2269 01:52:33,720 --> 01:52:35,880 were drafting Trey Lance this whole time and then you watched 2270 01:52:35,880 --> 01:52:37,040 him the other night and you were like. 2271 01:52:37,040 --> 01:52:38,760 You know what? He actually is not going to win 2272 01:52:38,760 --> 01:52:41,200 this job. I sort of feel like I might have 2273 01:52:41,200 --> 01:52:43,920 messed up this Purdy thing and like, Sam Darnold might just be 2274 01:52:43,920 --> 01:52:44,760 the starter. Oh boy. 2275 01:52:44,840 --> 01:52:49,250 For the 49ers, yeah. Here's what I'll say about about 2276 01:52:49,250 --> 01:52:51,730 that, right? Like, you know, you might not. 2277 01:52:51,730 --> 01:52:54,650 Want to admit it, But you, you listener, have also made a ton 2278 01:52:54,650 --> 01:52:57,490 of mistakes. You know, as if, I, as if, Sam, 2279 01:52:57,490 --> 01:52:58,970 as if Davis. Like we've all made a ton of 2280 01:52:58,970 --> 01:53:01,170 mistakes already. If you've been drafting, if 2281 01:53:01,170 --> 01:53:02,890 you've been drafting, you've made mistakes. 2282 01:53:02,930 --> 01:53:06,010 That's just the way it goes. If you're not going to admit it 2283 01:53:06,050 --> 01:53:08,130 and double down, you're just going to. 2284 01:53:08,130 --> 01:53:10,010 You're just going to make more mistakes, like. 2285 01:53:10,250 --> 01:53:14,410 And the other thing is, look, when you're drafting early in 2286 01:53:14,410 --> 01:53:16,050 the offseason, you have some advantages. 2287 01:53:17,040 --> 01:53:19,400 You're going to get better prices on players, then will be 2288 01:53:19,400 --> 01:53:21,480 available later. You're also going to have to eat 2289 01:53:21,480 --> 01:53:26,720 some some losses, but now we're starting to move into a period 2290 01:53:26,720 --> 01:53:28,160 where we. Get new advantages. 2291 01:53:28,160 --> 01:53:31,520 We get information over those people who drafted before. 2292 01:53:32,320 --> 01:53:36,600 Take advantage of it, right? Make them pay for not having 2293 01:53:36,600 --> 01:53:39,840 that information, and use the information to your advantage to 2294 01:53:39,840 --> 01:53:42,560 build teams that they didn't have access to or wouldn't have 2295 01:53:42,560 --> 01:53:45,720 known to build early in the offseason you don't like. 2296 01:53:46,420 --> 01:53:48,980 Leverage yourself against yourself, right, Like those old 2297 01:53:48,980 --> 01:53:50,500 team. My old teams suck. 2298 01:53:50,500 --> 01:53:53,580 I'm gonna build better versions of those teams now like you 2299 01:53:53,580 --> 01:53:54,940 don't. I don't think you even need to 2300 01:53:54,940 --> 01:53:58,820 like this version of yourself. Can be like, at odds with your 2301 01:53:59,100 --> 01:54:01,260 June version of yourself, in fact. 2302 01:54:01,300 --> 01:54:04,100 In fact, like, how often do you get to hedge yourself out of a 2303 01:54:04,100 --> 01:54:05,180 loss? Like before it even. 2304 01:54:05,180 --> 01:54:07,420 Happens like you can do it exactly. 2305 01:54:07,460 --> 01:54:09,660 You got time. Like Damian Harris is one 2306 01:54:09,660 --> 01:54:12,410 example. For me, I was David Harris was 2307 01:54:12,410 --> 01:54:14,770 like I think my most drafted player in pre draft and then he 2308 01:54:14,770 --> 01:54:16,890 landed up with the Bills and I was even more excited. 2309 01:54:16,890 --> 01:54:20,090 I was taking him a ton in May and June and then we get reports 2310 01:54:20,090 --> 01:54:22,650 that, you know he's not the locked in RV2. 2311 01:54:22,770 --> 01:54:25,610 Regardless of what you think of that, like I'm at like I'm not 2312 01:54:25,610 --> 01:54:28,890 so biased on Harris that I'm not updating my priors like I'm you 2313 01:54:28,890 --> 01:54:31,010 know, then he gets injured. Like the reports are saying. 2314 01:54:31,010 --> 01:54:33,370 It's a competition. Like I could just bury in my 2315 01:54:33,370 --> 01:54:36,250 head in the sand and double down on Harris and maybe that is 2316 01:54:36,250 --> 01:54:37,450 going to be the right thing to do. 2317 01:54:37,450 --> 01:54:38,770 We don't know. Jump the shark. 2318 01:54:39,290 --> 01:54:42,060 Yeah, exactly. You could jump the shark but the 2319 01:54:42,060 --> 01:54:47,300 point being is like I don't get the ignore camp news narrative 2320 01:54:47,300 --> 01:54:51,180 that that people say it's like you do have to know what also 2321 01:54:51,180 --> 01:54:52,700 like what activity are you doing. 2322 01:54:52,700 --> 01:54:55,100 You know, it's like it's. Kind of fun. 2323 01:54:55,260 --> 01:54:58,180 Like, yeah, yeah. You know what you're gonna 2324 01:54:58,180 --> 01:55:00,300 draft? You're gonna draft 400 best and 2325 01:55:00,300 --> 01:55:02,860 I don't know, maybe there are. Like, I know there are like some 2326 01:55:02,860 --> 01:55:05,700 poker guys who take best ball really seriously, who draft like 2327 01:55:05,700 --> 01:55:09,020 500 teams And like maybe they're just like all this is for me is 2328 01:55:09,020 --> 01:55:11,060 a chance to try and win $3,000,000. 2329 01:55:11,410 --> 01:55:14,250 And I use underdogs rankings, and that captures all of it for 2330 01:55:14,250 --> 01:55:17,650 me or whatever. But if you're 2 hours into ADP 2331 01:55:17,650 --> 01:55:20,170 chasing, my guess is that's probably not you. 2332 01:55:20,530 --> 01:55:25,130 You're probably not just micro grinding these .3% edges. 2333 01:55:26,970 --> 01:55:30,290 So let's have some fun. Yeah, you made it halfway 2334 01:55:30,290 --> 01:55:31,890 through ADP chasing. You're clearly committed. 2335 01:55:35,130 --> 01:55:38,770 All right, so now going to the Giants wide receiver 6 battle 2336 01:55:38,770 --> 01:55:41,090 Crowder. You see Crowder's playing time 2337 01:55:41,090 --> 01:55:45,370 in the you guys, you guys see that Isaiah Hodgins were playing 2338 01:55:45,410 --> 01:55:47,930 while? Campbell and Slayton got the day 2339 01:55:47,930 --> 01:55:50,650 off. That's maybe a little nervous 2340 01:55:50,650 --> 01:55:52,330 cut risk. I did have the cut risk. 2341 01:55:52,330 --> 01:55:56,290 Take three months ago. So, And arguably, Darius Slayton 2342 01:55:56,290 --> 01:55:58,010 should be going ahead of Isaiah Hodgins. 2343 01:55:58,010 --> 01:55:59,810 And I don't care. I know it's wild. 2344 01:55:59,810 --> 01:56:03,020 It's kind of wild. Darius Layton is the most wild. 2345 01:56:03,020 --> 01:56:06,340 Things I think like every single sharp or like everybody on 2346 01:56:06,340 --> 01:56:09,300 Twitter has made a thread or like a tweet about Darius Slaton 2347 01:56:09,300 --> 01:56:17,860 in the markets. So I'm just like whatever. 2348 01:56:09,860 --> 01:56:12,060 Just like absolutely don't care. Whatever. 2349 01:56:12,060 --> 01:56:13,940 Don't care. And and like I'm not gonna reach 2350 01:56:13,940 --> 01:56:18,980 for him by like 40 pics or. I'll just take him. 2351 01:56:19,700 --> 01:56:22,140 But I, you know, I have a lot of Slaton, thankfully, because I 2352 01:56:22,140 --> 01:56:24,300 also have a lot of Hudgens. Yeah. 2353 01:56:24,700 --> 01:56:26,420 OK, let let it. Let's wrap up here. 2354 01:56:26,420 --> 01:56:33,090 We haven't done our best value takes in quite a while, so let's 2355 01:56:33,090 --> 01:56:36,010 let's go back to that. We are gonna do this real 2356 01:56:36,010 --> 01:56:38,010 stinkers in there, like there's gotta be some. 2357 01:56:38,010 --> 01:56:39,370 Guys who? I said we're gonna. 2358 01:56:39,370 --> 01:56:41,730 Rise, who were just like completely undrafted at this 2359 01:56:41,730 --> 01:56:43,370 point. Undertaker gift for my Kyron 2360 01:56:43,370 --> 01:56:45,930 Williams take from him like two months ago, Kyron. 2361 01:56:45,930 --> 01:56:47,890 Williams getting rested with the starters. 2362 01:56:47,890 --> 01:56:50,610 And how about, oh OK, we're two. Hours into the show, I can 2363 01:56:50,610 --> 01:56:52,290 mention this. Guess who else got rested with 2364 01:56:52,290 --> 01:56:57,740 the starters? 22 out got rested out well, 22 2365 01:56:57,740 --> 01:57:00,380 out well got puka. Nakua looked good, but guess 2366 01:57:00,380 --> 01:57:01,340 what? Trump. 2367 01:57:01,340 --> 01:57:02,140 Payton. Hates to play. 2368 01:57:02,140 --> 01:57:05,220 Starters in the preseason and Nakua and and Gretch's boy 2369 01:57:05,660 --> 01:57:10,500 DeMarcus Robinson also played. So our boy. 2370 01:57:10,500 --> 01:57:15,100 All right. Anybody have a take? 2371 01:57:15,100 --> 01:57:16,980 As I scroll through a DP, We'll go. 2372 01:57:17,020 --> 01:57:20,220 First come, first serve here. If anyone let me let me take a 2373 01:57:20,220 --> 01:57:23,760 look here, I'll do. I'll do well. 2374 01:57:23,800 --> 01:57:26,280 I'm just going to go. Michael Wilson I I I think he 2375 01:57:27,240 --> 01:57:29,680 might you can fun of me originally for for talking to 2376 01:57:29,680 --> 01:57:31,840 him well we're talking about I'm I'm. 2377 01:57:31,840 --> 01:57:34,240 Literally capitulating on something I already got wrong. 2378 01:57:34,240 --> 01:57:37,160 This season, which was ever drafting Greg George, I let my 2379 01:57:37,160 --> 01:57:39,560 my love of the short Kings go a little bit too far. 2380 01:57:40,440 --> 01:57:43,600 Michael Wilson, I, I, and he might even be capped out on how 2381 01:57:43,600 --> 01:57:45,680 high he can go. Like how high can the third wide 2382 01:57:45,680 --> 01:57:48,560 receiver on the Arizona Cardinals actually get? 2383 01:57:49,000 --> 01:57:55,610 But I do think he is more like a you're on the clock at. 1610 and 2384 01:57:55,610 --> 01:57:58,290 you know you need one more wide receiver and structurally you 2385 01:57:58,290 --> 01:58:00,050 don't care which third tight end you get. 2386 01:58:00,690 --> 01:58:03,210 Then just take him Like what? Like, you know. 2387 01:58:03,210 --> 01:58:05,290 So that that's where that's where I'm at with Michael 2388 01:58:05,290 --> 01:58:08,130 Wilson. I'm going to go Khalil Herbert. 2389 01:58:09,170 --> 01:58:11,250 It's going to be obnoxious. How high this guy goes. 2390 01:58:11,530 --> 01:58:15,410 You're not going to like it. We're going to get mad about it. 2391 01:58:15,970 --> 01:58:18,050 Starting running back on the Bears, That's what we're going 2392 01:58:18,050 --> 01:58:18,770 to. Start hearing right. 2393 01:58:18,770 --> 01:58:20,610 Starting running back. On the Bears, where does that 2394 01:58:21,370 --> 01:58:25,920 archetype of guy? Typically go high high. 2395 01:58:26,480 --> 01:58:28,480 So I would. I'm gonna. 2396 01:58:28,520 --> 01:58:30,480 Be drafted now I'm gonna be. Chasing them up a little bit. 2397 01:58:30,760 --> 01:58:33,120 If I'm getting them around, pick one O 5 or something. 2398 01:58:33,560 --> 01:58:35,960 Cool, because I don't think he settles there. 2399 01:58:35,960 --> 01:58:38,640 I think he settles maybe quite a bit above there. 2400 01:58:39,280 --> 01:58:42,400 Yeah, I'm gonna go Guy. We haven't talked about, but I 2401 01:58:42,400 --> 01:58:45,200 think we got some decent news on this preseason. 2402 01:58:45,240 --> 01:58:47,720 Is Todd Chandler going to pick two O 5 now? 2403 01:58:48,190 --> 01:58:52,150 Again admitting mistakes, I was a McBride over Chandler Slappy 2404 01:58:52,430 --> 01:58:55,670 throughout this offseason. I watched McBride take one run 2405 01:58:55,670 --> 01:58:58,870 this preseason, so we'll talk about it. 2406 01:58:58,870 --> 01:59:01,070 But. Man, watching McBride in the 2407 01:59:01,070 --> 01:59:03,910 preseason. He looks rough compared to 2408 01:59:03,910 --> 01:59:06,470 Chandler and I didn't watch many preseason, so maybe I'm biased 2409 01:59:06,470 --> 01:59:09,230 by the one game I watched, but Chandler looked really good out 2410 01:59:09,230 --> 01:59:12,030 there. He dominated, you know, even 2411 01:59:12,030 --> 01:59:14,470 Abraham Smith was mixing with the starters, but Chandler had 2412 01:59:14,470 --> 01:59:17,690 way more snaps than both Abraham Smith and Dwayne McBride. 2413 01:59:17,690 --> 01:59:21,210 And the preseason game, I think the one hole you can poke in 2414 01:59:21,210 --> 01:59:24,850 this is Kenneth Wong. Woo was out due to injury and he 2415 01:59:24,850 --> 01:59:27,610 has been listed on like the unofficial depth chart as the 2416 01:59:27,610 --> 01:59:29,650 RB2. So maybe you can say it's still 2417 01:59:29,650 --> 01:59:33,290 a little bit of a competition between Chandler and Kenneth RB2 2418 01:59:33,290 --> 01:59:35,650 slot. But man, I think Chandler really 2419 01:59:35,650 --> 01:59:38,730 dusted McBride in that preseason game. 2420 01:59:38,970 --> 01:59:41,010 He looks like he can do a little bit of everything, you know, Had 2421 01:59:41,010 --> 01:59:44,360 a couple catches, had some rushes between the tackles. 2422 01:59:44,360 --> 01:59:47,360 So I think he's gonna emerge sort of as the clear running 2423 01:59:47,360 --> 01:59:52,640 back to and start going up in sort of the Jerome Ford Zamere 2424 01:59:52,640 --> 01:59:56,640 White range as sort of unproven but clear running back to on 2425 01:59:56,640 --> 01:59:58,520 their team in the next couple weeks. 2426 02:00:01,360 --> 02:00:02,520 All right. Davis, do you have something to 2427 02:00:02,560 --> 02:00:05,000 say on Chandler or, Well, it's just that. 2428 02:00:06,000 --> 02:00:08,120 I guess. I mean, he did look good, but. 2429 02:00:08,600 --> 02:00:11,800 This is a case of like every camp report on Ty Chandler is 2430 02:00:11,800 --> 02:00:15,080 like, you know that the infomercial gift of the guy 2431 02:00:15,080 --> 02:00:17,800 carrying the bucket and the hose and like falling over himself 2432 02:00:17,800 --> 02:00:20,560 like that is the visual representation of every Ty 2433 02:00:20,560 --> 02:00:23,240 Chandler camp update. It's like he fumbled, he missed 2434 02:00:23,240 --> 02:00:26,760 the pass block, he can't run, He doesn't have hands. 2435 02:00:26,760 --> 02:00:29,120 Like it's like every. And so, like the beat writers, 2436 02:00:29,120 --> 02:00:31,960 obviously there's some degree of like, you know, these are not. 2437 02:00:32,700 --> 02:00:35,060 Season football guys, they're just sort of and they're and 2438 02:00:35,060 --> 02:00:36,460 they don't see every part of practice. 2439 02:00:36,460 --> 02:00:37,660 There's some that's buying closed doors. 2440 02:00:37,660 --> 02:00:41,940 But yeah, I I want it. And I also tie Chandler, another 2441 02:00:41,940 --> 02:00:43,620 guy where my bags are packed already. 2442 02:00:43,620 --> 02:00:45,060 So I don't feel the need to draft more. 2443 02:00:45,060 --> 02:00:47,620 But like, I am wondering if Kenny and Wong, who wasn't hurt, 2444 02:00:47,620 --> 02:00:51,020 like what would that distribution of them like look 2445 02:00:51,140 --> 02:00:53,420 beat writers? They do an incredibly valuable 2446 02:00:53,420 --> 02:00:56,220 service for this. Industry, but I would like to to 2447 02:00:56,220 --> 02:01:00,220 go toe to toe with with the beat writer industry in projections. 2448 02:01:00,680 --> 02:01:02,000 I don't. I don't do projections, but I'm 2449 02:01:02,400 --> 02:01:05,400 pretty sure I could out project. Well, it's always projections 2450 02:01:05,400 --> 02:01:08,240 are always fun. 2020 to 25 touches per game, right? 2451 02:01:08,560 --> 02:01:11,520 It's always 2025 touches. They have no beat. 2452 02:01:11,520 --> 02:01:13,800 Writers do have no. Sense of how many plays are 2453 02:01:13,800 --> 02:01:17,160 actually. Brandon Yeah, Like, I think both 2454 02:01:17,160 --> 02:01:18,840 these guys can be getting 25 touches a game. 2455 02:01:20,680 --> 02:01:21,920 Wow. How does that work? 2456 02:01:22,000 --> 02:01:24,120 Yeah, Yeah. Yeah. 2457 02:01:24,200 --> 02:01:25,480 That's fair. All right. 2458 02:01:25,560 --> 02:01:27,520 That was a good two hour show guys. 2459 02:01:28,720 --> 02:01:30,870 Pat let's see what's going on. Legendary upside. 2460 02:01:30,870 --> 02:01:33,950 It's a lot of tight end content is being churned out the past 2461 02:01:33,950 --> 02:01:37,150 couple. Yes, last last few days tight 2462 02:01:37,150 --> 02:01:39,550 ends have been. Talk of the town over at 2463 02:01:39,550 --> 02:01:41,990 Legendary Upside. I got two articles that came 2464 02:01:41,990 --> 02:01:45,470 out, one last week on Mark Andrews and then looking at 2465 02:01:45,470 --> 02:01:49,230 previous, I call them Impact, Impact, tight end seasons, but 2466 02:01:49,230 --> 02:01:51,390 kind of tight end seasons that made any kind of difference at 2467 02:01:51,390 --> 02:01:55,510 all. And looking at those seasons to 2468 02:01:55,510 --> 02:01:57,630 determine like what we're looking for a tight end. 2469 02:01:57,630 --> 02:01:59,740 So, Mark Andrews. Checked all the boxes on that 2470 02:01:59,740 --> 02:02:02,460 profile, wrote about him. Travis Kelsey does as well. 2471 02:02:02,460 --> 02:02:04,460 But you know, you know that that's why he was one O 6. 2472 02:02:06,020 --> 02:02:10,300 And then this morning I put out another article on the site 2473 02:02:10,300 --> 02:02:13,020 looking at the other early drafted tight ends and kind of 2474 02:02:13,020 --> 02:02:17,260 how they fit within this kind of player archetype thing I'm going 2475 02:02:17,260 --> 02:02:18,900 to be doing. And then the next article that 2476 02:02:18,900 --> 02:02:22,100 I'm going to be working on is going to be a legendary running 2477 02:02:22,100 --> 02:02:25,420 back article. So I recommend that I'm planning 2478 02:02:25,420 --> 02:02:28,340 to do that one completely free. So if you haven't signed up for 2479 02:02:28,340 --> 02:02:32,020 the newsletter, sign up for the newsletter for free and you'll 2480 02:02:32,020 --> 02:02:34,460 get that article delivered right to your inbox whenever I'm done 2481 02:02:34,460 --> 02:02:37,660 with it. You can also sign up for $99 a 2482 02:02:37,660 --> 02:02:40,980 year and get a $50 underdog credit as part of that. 2483 02:02:41,340 --> 02:02:44,060 Or it's 10 bucks a month if you just want to sign up and then 2484 02:02:44,180 --> 02:02:46,780 cancel in September, which is, you know, an acceptable thing to 2485 02:02:46,780 --> 02:02:49,820 do. Awesome stuff, Davis. 2486 02:02:49,820 --> 02:02:51,100 What about you? I saw you got some. 2487 02:02:51,910 --> 02:02:54,270 Was it someone from Sumer Sports you had on the take? 2488 02:02:54,270 --> 02:02:54,910 Ass. Yeah. 2489 02:02:54,990 --> 02:02:57,550 Ted, what a what a man. These. 2490 02:02:57,550 --> 02:03:01,070 These, uh, these real analytics. Guys but the the cool thing 2491 02:03:01,070 --> 02:03:03,230 about him was that uh he is a nerd like us. 2492 02:03:03,230 --> 02:03:06,910 He plays best ball but like he's doing it like with with like you 2493 02:03:06,910 --> 02:03:10,350 know all this crazy data and stuff that I can't even imagine. 2494 02:03:10,350 --> 02:03:14,510 So he was good. Um I think uh JM to win is gonna 2495 02:03:14,510 --> 02:03:17,590 come on uh sports good fan super ball podcast this week. 2496 02:03:17,590 --> 02:03:20,460 So I like it's. Helpful for me to talk to people 2497 02:03:20,460 --> 02:03:22,580 who are not a part of the the cabal. 2498 02:03:22,620 --> 02:03:25,860 You know to to be like what are what are people who do this way 2499 02:03:25,860 --> 02:03:29,180 differently than me drafting like I I think that's cool and 2500 02:03:29,180 --> 02:03:30,660 then that's cool. Yeah. 2501 02:03:30,740 --> 02:03:32,820 And and we're just gonna we're gonna keep biting. 2502 02:03:32,820 --> 02:03:36,260 We're dude we are we are close. I have you guys gotten to this 2503 02:03:36,260 --> 02:03:39,700 point yet where you're like, I'm so close to the season and I 2504 02:03:39,700 --> 02:03:43,140 have so many more drafts left that I need to do like. 2505 02:03:43,480 --> 02:03:46,440 So many more drafts. It's a double edged sword like I 2506 02:03:46,480 --> 02:03:48,920 want to do the drafts cuz I'm like there's so many more takes 2507 02:03:48,920 --> 02:03:49,960 I. Wanna get off, you know? 2508 02:03:50,000 --> 02:03:52,080 Yeah. And then there's also, like, I 2509 02:03:52,080 --> 02:03:55,440 wanna also just be done drafting. 2510 02:03:55,480 --> 02:03:59,360 I'm like, I'm pretty good. But yeah, there's a lot more 2511 02:03:59,360 --> 02:04:01,640 drafts to come. I feel like I need to correct a 2512 02:04:01,640 --> 02:04:04,280 lot of things in the next couple couple weeks for sure, so I'll 2513 02:04:04,280 --> 02:04:07,100 be drafting a ton. We'll be back next week. 2514 02:04:07,100 --> 02:04:09,980 I believe Leonie is going to be joining us. 2515 02:04:10,900 --> 02:04:13,140 Get the ETR. Oh my God, this Five years 3 2516 02:04:13,140 --> 02:04:16,300 just dropped. I know what. 2517 02:04:16,340 --> 02:04:18,260 I'm doing this afternoon. Jeez. 2518 02:04:19,300 --> 02:04:20,740 But yeah, I can't do it. I can't do. 2519 02:04:21,540 --> 02:04:24,940 It's over. $5 Buy ins Give me another 50 to $100 Buy in 2520 02:04:24,940 --> 02:04:26,180 underdog. That's the last thing I'll say 2521 02:04:26,180 --> 02:04:28,220 before we close out. Give me, give me like a small 2522 02:04:28,220 --> 02:04:30,700 field, $100 Buy in. What was the 50 called? 2523 02:04:30,700 --> 02:04:33,910 That was a fun one. We got Gretch coming on. 2524 02:04:33,910 --> 02:04:35,550 Here for a second. I don't know what that was 2525 02:04:35,550 --> 02:04:40,150 about. But anyways, we gotta go all 2526 02:04:40,150 --> 02:04:42,310 Yeah, see you guys next week. We'll be back for the only we 2527 02:04:42,310 --> 02:04:43,830 can't go past two hours, these guys.