1 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:04,960 Good morning and happy holidays from sunny Buffalo. 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:08,800 I'm Mike Schope. It's ADP chasing Christmas time 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:14,080 is here happiness and cheer. Maybe let's find out fully 4 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:18,200 prepared after almost two years of waiting on him. 5 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:22,520 But tonight leading to fade him to get buried by Kendra Miller. 6 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:25,840 Let's see where we're staying going into The Only Thing That 7 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:29,760 Matters Week 17 with our heroes, Pat Karine and Davis Matic. 8 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:31,160 I'm Mike, thanks for being with us. 9 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,560 It's ADP chasing December 23rd, 2024. 10 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,320 ADP chasing is for when you watch ship chasing you go these 11 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,360 guys are just football guys and the targets for outrun leagues. 12 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:44,200 That's going to be really nice actually, back in if it's 13 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:45,840 Austinette. Compared to our crystal ball. 14 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,120 close your eyes, you know all your entries are going to lose 15 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:49,960 anyway. Yeah. 16 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:52,520 That's fair. This is a Dusvan show. 17 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,360 Anti cabal. It's anti the best ball thought 18 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:57,520 leader. I'm obviously lying to some 19 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,160 degree because like, I have a lot of both of these guys. 20 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,680 It's the most disgusting thing you can make, but man. 21 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:09,720 Welcome. Hi, guys. 22 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:13,800 Pat, New look. Yeah, I'm at my my parents 23 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:18,560 place, so this is my English professor father's study. 24 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:20,720 I was going to say you, you look you. 25 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,280 You absolutely look like you were in a professor's study. 26 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,680 Right now I am. That's exactly where I am, Pat 27 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:30,280 Delaware. Delaware love it. 28 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:34,080 Davis ever been. I've driven. 29 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,600 I've driven through it. You got to visit Delaware. 30 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:38,080 David, you. Got to visit Delaware. 31 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:39,440 How do you drive through Delaware? 32 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:40,760 Where are you ending up? Yeah. 33 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:42,760 It only takes a couple minutes if. 34 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,320 You go past Philadelphia, you're in Delaware, then it's the 35 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:47,400 ocean. I don't know where you're going 36 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:48,800 if you're driven to your Delaware and that's. 37 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:50,200 Maybe I haven't. I we drove. 38 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:52,680 I've driven to upstate New York before though. 39 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,000 And I think. I think we went through 40 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:56,600 Delaware. But it's been a long time. 41 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,720 It seems like you know, It seems like you must have gone directly 42 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,080 to the sea and then up. I think you got lost. 43 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:04,600 What happened there? Fair. 44 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,520 Guys, how are we looking or feeling going into Week 17? 45 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,640 Davis, I've been watching you, of course, and listening all 46 00:02:11,640 --> 00:02:15,440 year and it's been, you know, kind of like this is not going 47 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,480 to be my year. Are you hopeful for anything? 48 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,600 What have you got? I've got a couple teams in like 49 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:25,200 the peasant contests there are, there are contests I've made the 50 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,600 finals that if I win I will still be in the red on the year, 51 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:36,520 which is which is a good bit. My MY2 best teams in in contests 52 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,840 that I cared about ran into Jonathan Taylor so. 53 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:43,200 Oh wow. Nothing you can do about that. 54 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,280 The game. The game is the game. 55 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,000 You weren't even worried about him, probably like it was 56 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:49,800 Barkley. Still, Barkley could bounce 57 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:51,320 back. Derek Henry, the guys we talked 58 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:52,640 about last week, but was anybody? 59 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,560 I just watched him score 40 and I'm still not worried about him, 60 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:57,520 you know? Like, I just watched him score 61 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,360 40 and I'm like, well, you know. No, I, I'm. 62 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,440 I play that slate again. I had him on a couple teams and 63 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:04,640 and I was pretty psyched about him. 64 00:03:04,920 --> 00:03:07,040 I think he pairs really well with Jalen Hurts. 65 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,760 That's who you want. You want Jonathan Taylor all all 66 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,640 of your Jonathan Taylor for some reason to be paired with Jalen 67 00:03:12,640 --> 00:03:14,960 Hurts. Yeah, Did not. 68 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,680 I won a team with that combo. I won with the team with that 69 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,200 combo. And I was, I started rooting 70 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,680 against one that was that combo because the other quarterback 71 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:25,320 was Kirk Cousins. And I was like, I just can't. 72 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:29,400 I can't handle the pain of showing up to Week 17 without a 73 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,320 quarterback. Well, what did they give you? 74 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:35,920 Like Hertz gave you 4 point something and dealer gave you 40 75 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,840 and so, you know, split that down the middle. 76 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:39,760 You're happy with both guys? I. 77 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:42,920 Guess right? Yeah. 78 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:49,400 But have you looked at the? Sorry if this is like just a 79 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,920 needle, but have you looked at the main event leaderboard at 80 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:54,760 all? I looked. 81 00:03:54,760 --> 00:04:00,800 No, I looked last night because we had a team score 190 in the 82 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:02,960 Sprint and I was like, is that even possible? 83 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:04,280 Are we going to even make any money? 84 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:08,640 And we're we need like 190 again next week to ladder up to any, 85 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:10,960 any meaningful money. Why is is go bills up there? 86 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:12,480 Are you up there? Who are we looking at? 87 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,440 Unfortunately, neither, but here's go Bills like they won 88 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,959 back-to-back. I get a text this morning from 89 00:04:18,959 --> 00:04:24,720 Nick and he's like Buffalo guys are in 2nd and you know, it's 90 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,960 not him this time, but it's still good. 91 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,680 But they're putting up. They just put up back-to-back 92 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:34,080 200 point weeks and are losing ground. 93 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,320 The 1st place team, I don't, it's called Queen's Gambit. 94 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:38,240 I don't know them. Yeah. 95 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,520 I don't. Know who that is, but jot 96 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:45,640 literally, this is amazing. I think Josh Allen was their 97 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:50,600 lowest scoring player yesterday at 13, right? 98 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:55,680 I mean, the Aubrey Atlanta and just, you know, Janu, maybe 99 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,680 Chuba maybe like just he was literally their lowest scoring 100 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,360 guy and they're up maybe 25 going into next week. 101 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:03,400 Pretty good. Pretty good. 102 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,600 Yeah, I just like I, I am already so mentally removed from 103 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,360 this current season that's happening like I fast forwarded 104 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:19,680 to 2025 about six weeks ago, so. Yeah, I had a bunch of stuff. 105 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,320 So I it looks like I'll make like the puppy final. 106 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:23,720 We'll see. There's like I'm kind of in 107 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,640 Davis boat where I'm looking at some some smaller stakes stuff. 108 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,720 I was talking to sacrilegious. He's kind of in the same boat. 109 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:35,000 Given how bad the season was in certain ways, it does feel nice 110 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,800 to like have teams that are structured well. 111 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:39,600 Like I still I'm like, all right, Well, at least like these 112 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,120 teams are structured to put up points in a single week the way 113 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:47,600 I was hoping, but I had a lot of stuff just like it was like 114 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:49,840 close and the hat and and won't get through. 115 00:05:49,840 --> 00:05:53,200 So yesterday was. Pretty If you told me that that 116 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:57,600 Chase Brown was projected for 24 points in week 16, I I probably 117 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:01,760 would have assumed I was having the greatest year in the history 118 00:06:01,840 --> 00:06:05,560 of of best ball so. Man, I I was watching you last 119 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,080 night. Look at that Guy Davis. 120 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,520 I mean, come on, let's let's celebrate Chase Brown once 121 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:11,880 again. It would be really interesting. 122 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:13,720 I actually brought. I actually just tweeted this 123 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:17,720 because I saw a tweet about his pass blocking say they just 124 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:23,400 bring in a Zack Moss like Zack Moss Part 2. 125 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:24,960 They just do the exact same thing again. 126 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:29,320 I I think he's he's probably a top 15 pick in basketball next 127 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,760 year. Now if they take one of these 128 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:36,040 Ohio State guys in the draft, someone fun if they bring in 129 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:37,720 someone good. But if it's I don't know who's 130 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:43,280 who's if who's 2025 Zack Moss? What if they just bring Zack 131 00:06:43,280 --> 00:06:43,880 Moss? Back. 132 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:46,840 They could. They could do that, yeah. 133 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,040 I mean, who was 2025? Zach Boss. 134 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:56,280 Well, you guys pondered, I don't know what if you're Cincinnati, 135 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:58,800 what do you want to be doing in the draft defense? 136 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,600 I mean, that's been that they're having MVP caliber offensive 137 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,680 player of the year caliber player, you know, seasons and 138 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,480 they're they're losing. They are not going to have the 139 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,920 luxury of doing so 'cause they whiffed on Burton. 140 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,800 T Higgins is going to be gone. They they don't have the luxury 141 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,320 of doing that. They will, they will Joe. 142 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:18,840 Joe Goodberry tweeted this last night. 143 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:23,920 He's really good on just all, all Bengal stuff. 144 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:25,800 He'd be the voice they basically cost. 145 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:27,000 He's a Buffalo guy too, by the way. 146 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,880 He is a Buffalo guy. They basically cost themselves a 147 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,920 starter on offense or or defense in terms of salary cap dollars 148 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,720 by not just paying Chase when they were first able to pay 149 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,440 Chase. By by haggling with Chase and 150 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:44,240 not giving him what he wanted in this offseason, they cost 151 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:48,320 themselves a starter's worth of salary cap while also not paying 152 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,440 T Higgins. By the way, I found 2025 Zach 153 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,240 Moss hit me. Naja Harris. 154 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,840 Oh no, he will be undrafted. They signed Naji Harris. 155 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:02,640 He he will be they, they will. Zach Taylor would be ready to 156 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,600 give Naji Harris more touches per game than Chase Brown. 157 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,600 If you guys, if you guys were the Bengals, though, and you had 158 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,120 whatever limitations we think they have in terms of dollars, 159 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,360 what would you do? The story of their season is 160 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,280 still, they're not out of it yet. 161 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,880 By the way, they played Denver on Saturday, like they're a lot 162 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:22,400 more live from the Colts and Dolphins. 163 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,240 It was a good weekend for them. They, they have to win out and 164 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,200 the, the Broncos have to lose to the Chiefs in Week 18 and the 165 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:29,920 Chiefs are probably going to be resting guys then. 166 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:34,280 So it's, it's probably dead, but they just have to win this week. 167 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,240 So the story of their season, I mean, sure, it's the defense, 168 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:41,760 but it's not really the story of their season. 10 to 16 against 169 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:46,760 the Patriots 30. The horrible overtime loss to 170 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:50,920 the Ravens when they were way up, horrible loss to the eagles, 171 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:55,240 horrible loss to the Chargers, horrible loss to the Steelers 172 00:08:55,400 --> 00:09:01,400 where I mean, they're they were just like if if they just don't, 173 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,440 they just not idiots. If they just manage the game 174 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:06,720 well. But they had the kickers miss 175 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,040 against the chargers. Like really, honestly, if they 176 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:12,000 just win that Patriots game, just win the Patriots game, 177 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:13,840 you're in the you're in the playoffs. 178 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:14,800 If you just win the. Patriots. 179 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:16,560 Game week one. That's crazy. 180 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:22,000 Well, I'm trying to think like an NFL team and I think what 181 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,800 everybody will say about Cincinnati is their defense was 182 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:28,720 terrible, their offense was great, Chase Brown was great. 183 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:32,200 They're not going to put anybody in there next to him that would 184 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,280 threaten him. After what this season has been 185 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,480 so far, it's got to be way worse than. 186 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:37,880 That they always. Do this they. 187 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,600 Yeah, that's not really. Always do, Damien Pierce. 188 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:42,000 Unbelievable. You're thinking like a fantasy 189 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:43,440 player. Yeah, I think. 190 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:44,760 I think. NFL. 191 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:51,160 Yeah, I mean, yeah, I'm just so battered by, you know, the years 192 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:55,320 of like, oh, this guy showed that he's great, so therefore 193 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,000 he'll be their lead back next year. 194 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:58,560 And it's like, no, we're going to take a guy in the second 195 00:09:58,560 --> 00:10:01,600 round. Like what I I I would say, I 196 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:05,960 would say he's 5050 to like outright not be fantasy relevant 197 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:07,440 next year. Like just like. 198 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:11,320 Out like outright like by like week 5 is not even on rosters. 199 00:10:11,680 --> 00:10:14,160 And this is the day I realize that I'll be drafting a ton of 200 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,200 them. And this is this is coming from 201 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,120 someone who who like. Literally like. 202 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:19,640 Would not shut up about Chase Price. 203 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:23,240 He's Canadian, he's handsome, he's his brother's in the NFL. 204 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,840 He's like, he's like a cool. But yeah, I I would say he is. 205 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:31,400 I mean, Damien Pierce, Phillip Lindsay, like just just name 206 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:32,840 guys. They tried to do it to Chuba. 207 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,600 They tried to. They literally tried to do it to 208 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:36,800 Chuba. How did that go? 209 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,880 Well, I mean, that would be ideal for for Chase Brown. 210 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:42,680 Draft the guy in the second round who doesn't play more 211 00:10:42,680 --> 00:10:45,160 than, you know, 100 snaps. That's great. 212 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:47,680 What what? What about Chase Brown? 213 00:10:47,680 --> 00:10:49,800 Being Canadian makes you like him more, by the way. 214 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:52,800 I just like Canadians. You do maybe. 215 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:54,880 Maybe it's. Maybe it's, maybe it's the Jacob 216 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,120 Sanderson impact. I just, I like, I like the idea 217 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,960 of a Canadian NFL player because I'm like, you had to have had a, 218 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:06,080 a, a crazy upbringing to be Canadian and play American 219 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,120 professional football. Well. 220 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,880 Claypool. Good comment here. 221 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,120 Algier. Yeah, there you go, Algier. 222 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:18,680 Completely forget Algier. Yeah, Algier had 1000 yards and 223 00:11:18,680 --> 00:11:23,200 then they said, they said, you know what, this team needs a 7th 224 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,280 overall pick at running back. That's what you need, he. 225 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,960 Still is awesome too. Like there's no reason for them 226 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:30,640 to draft a bichon. Yeah, none. 227 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,040 And Bichon's amazing, but it's just, I don't know that's. 228 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,320 It's just, it's just that we're always learning and it's always 229 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:41,240 evolving and it's it's it is still the Bengals, but there's 230 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,440 just no way they would threaten Chase Brown after the season. 231 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,240 They just had like, I don't know when can we start drafting next 232 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:48,720 year today. Can we do that? 233 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:49,880 We just skip the playoffs. It's. 234 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,000 Probably going to launch later today, yeah. 235 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:54,680 Is that right? No, no, no. 236 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,360 But it'll launch. It'll launch sooner than I would 237 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,800 prefer as a content guy. Who's the one O 1? 238 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,320 Are you kidding me, dude? I'm, I'm chomping at the bit 239 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:04,240 Barkley. I mean, I'm not saying Barkley 240 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,800 should be, but Barkley will be. Barkley will be the one O 1. 241 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,400 I think what's what's Jefferson or Chase, but. 242 00:12:10,680 --> 00:12:14,200 My role, Jefferson, you have the quarterback stuff again, I think 243 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,320 we're going to we're going to do that conversation again. 244 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,520 But we shouldn't. We shouldn't, but we will. 245 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:26,200 I mean look the they they are most likely moving away from 246 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:29,920 Darnold to a rookie who didn't throw a ton in college. 247 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:35,240 And although Darnold has played awesome and kind of seems to 248 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,840 show anyone can play awesome, Kevin O'connell's system, it 249 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,840 could be worse. Moving to to JJ McCarthy. 250 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,320 And it wasn't great for Jefferson all year. 251 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,200 He's had some good games down the stretch thing. 252 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,520 Isn't that, isn't that, by the way, just what you said? 253 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:50,800 Isn't that the most disgusting thing you've ever heard? 254 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:54,200 That the the the man who is currently second in the NFL in 255 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,160 receiving yards has 10 touchdowns? 256 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:58,320 Like, ah, dude, pretty down year. 257 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:00,320 Pretty, pretty, pretty down year. 258 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:05,280 He's I do, I think. He's. 259 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,800 Chase. Maybe, but Chase is going to 260 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,800 have Burrow has also had an incredible year. 261 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:15,480 And a. Half the season or LG to fight 262 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,760 with for. Yeah, well he's well. 263 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:19,600 He probably won't have T Higgins to fight with. 264 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,840 You know, the the very interesting thing, though, is 265 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,640 like how much of this Viking stuff, their defense, how much 266 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,560 of it is smoke and mirrors, like, oh, you get, you get Van 267 00:13:30,560 --> 00:13:32,920 Ginkle who was like kind of done in Miami. 268 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,520 They didn't even want him back. And he's like, maybe I believe 269 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,080 he's 2nd right now in defensive player of the year. 270 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,120 Odds like it. It's not like they have blue 271 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,080 chip players here. They have a, one of their 272 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,520 safeties is like 40. Just play it just plays every 273 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:48,840 down. Harrison Smith. 274 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,920 Like how much of this defense 'cause remember a year ago we 275 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:54,800 were like, oh, you want every Viking 'cause they have the 276 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,040 worst defense imaginable. They just play in a Dome. 277 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,600 They give up 40 every game. And we know defenses are not 278 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,040 sticky year to year, you know what I'm saying? 279 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,160 Like we like that that happens all the time. 280 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,560 Teams are like, oh, we have this great defense time to build. 281 00:14:07,560 --> 00:14:11,560 Oh, our defense is terrible. Our our oh, we gave up 35 again. 282 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,160 Jets. You're talking about The Jets 283 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,080 and the Bengals teams. The Bengals were supposed. 284 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:17,520 To be a good team, that's true, yeah. 285 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,560 Lou Amorano was getting head coach interviews. 286 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,560 I know you know who probably won't get head coach interviews, 287 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:24,920 though, is Brian Flores. Or if he does. 288 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:26,280 No. And then him as a. 289 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:28,120 Head catch No SO. Yeah, he. 290 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,520 So you do at least have Flores coming back probably, which is 291 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:34,840 big. He's he's like Spagnolo, where 292 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:39,280 where he was just such an unqualified disaster that you 293 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,360 just stay and put. Yeah. 294 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:47,360 Consider Jefferson, though, So last year or in the spring we're 295 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:51,080 talking about does he get paid? What is the quarterback thing 296 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,320 going to be? And he sort of he easily rose 297 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,800 above all of it. I mean, yeah, I think that's the 298 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:57,920 the right point. Is he? 299 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,960 He does have he's gonna have 1500 yards again. 300 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:02,560 Like just. He's gonna have, he's gonna have 301 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,000 1500 yards and 12 touchdowns, Yeah. 302 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,600 I mean, what, what is he gonna have next year then? 303 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:11,520 Like, is it gonna get worse? Is is McCarthy worse? 304 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,800 Is Darnold maybe still there? You like you could they have the 305 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,560 great defense. Worst quarterback play could 306 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:21,800 maybe be better for him volume wise because what's happened in 307 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:26,600 the tone of these games? Darnold has Darnold has, he's 308 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:31,080 got more games with less than 31 pass attempts than games with 309 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,800 more. You know, whereas like McCarthy, 310 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,360 if the defense is worse and you're, you're kind of punting 311 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:40,240 or just like turning the ball. Over I know and and and they 312 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:42,800 play the AFC South. Like next year. 313 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,120 No, this year, I mean, they they had games back-to-back three in 314 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,240 a row. They went to Jacksonville, TN in 315 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,640 Chicago and, you know, overcame all of that. 316 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,320 Josh Dobbs, right. Were we talking about that too, 317 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:56,880 trying to build a case for Jefferson? 318 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:00,440 You guys were into it like, Oh yeah, Dobbs and Mullins and this 319 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,920 these these bozos. And now you've got steady. 320 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,120 The defense is better. It's still, it's still, you 321 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,160 know, an A plus. Yeah, I think it'll be 322 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,080 interesting to see because Aaron Jones is a free agent. 323 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:12,920 So what do they do at running back? 324 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:14,440 Because if. They bring in, they're not 325 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:18,080 paying him. No, they're not paying him if 326 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,080 they bring in a Naji or I mean, if they bring in a Naji, I won't 327 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,280 care. But if they bring in like a 328 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:27,520 rookie, if they spend like good capital on a rookie, the the 329 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:30,080 free agent class at running back is pretty bad. 330 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,640 It's it's like an all time draft class at, at running. 331 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:38,760 I, I'm, I'm getting a lot of, I, I follow a lot of Vikings guys 332 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:40,160 and they all want to take Gene T. 333 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:42,880 So that's kind of the thing, like if they were to take Gene 334 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:46,120 T, that's where I would start to get concerned about like, what 335 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:49,200 is this offense trying to be next year with with a guy who's, 336 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,960 you know, functionally a rookie at quarterback? 337 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:57,080 You just might I, I don't think O'connell's going to go like run 338 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:01,920 heavy, but he might stop being so pass heavy, you know? 339 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:09,200 Is is early draft capital running back maybe back then 340 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:10,960 next year? With what's happened in the 341 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,760 league this year with the stars who are sort of left for dead 342 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:18,319 and are back and thriving, the quarterback pool is not as 343 00:17:18,319 --> 00:17:21,599 great. Are we going to see over under 344 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:24,920 Davis over under 1 1/2 running backs picked in the first round? 345 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,800 Oh, way over. Wait, wait. 346 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:29,000 Like. I thought we were done with that 347 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:30,840 though, no? As a as a leader. 348 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:33,840 Who, who are the other guys that you're really excited about 349 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:35,680 this? Because I I ran some my early 350 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,920 stuff just to get oh. The NFLNFL draft not. 351 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,800 NFL Draft. No, it'll be, it'll be, it'll be 352 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:43,600 one guy, 11. Gene T, right. 353 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:48,040 OK, yes, because Gene T looks like awesome in in my stuff. 354 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:49,800 I was like, OK, so this that's nice. 355 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,640 It's nice that like the guy everyone's super psyched about I 356 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,040 I I'm going to be excited about too, most likely. 357 00:17:55,040 --> 00:18:00,920 But the other guys kind of look fine, like a bunch of like 358 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:02,360 second round dynasty. Pig types. 359 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,000 The The thing is, is that there's like in a normal year 360 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,680 though, maybe like five guys who are fine, they're like 12 guys 361 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:09,680 who are fine. OK. 362 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,600 Like Amari and Hampton, I think Caleb Johnson could potentially 363 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,360 be a first round pick. The Tennessee guy, they have the 364 00:18:16,360 --> 00:18:20,400 two the two Ohio State guys that are going to be weird to analyze 365 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,920 because they, because they played to get well, they yeah. 366 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:27,120 So so Henderson and Junkins, then you've got like interesting 367 00:18:27,120 --> 00:18:31,320 kind of gadget guys like Devin Neal and Burchard Smith and that 368 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,720 I mean that's like not even getting into like the Penn State 369 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:37,360 guys who were five. Like literally like Singleton 370 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,800 was a five star high school guy who's going to be an early 371 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,760 declare and was awesome. But he was with another high 372 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:47,160 school five star guy who's a sophomore K Tron Allen. 373 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:51,200 So he split Then I, I mean like I, I think there could legit be 374 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,480 like maybe like 15 running backs that go. 375 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:57,480 So it's like 100. Very quality depth is is Gene T 376 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:01,680 plus very quality depth, OK. Well then more than one is going 377 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,320 in the 1st. Time Ollie Gordon Ollie Gordon 378 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,080 was the number one or was the number 2 prospect when the year 379 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:08,680 started. And then he was like he was like 380 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,880 the he was like the worst running back in college 381 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:13,920 football. This research senior kind of 382 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,920 like Chuba Hubbard, by the way, remember Hubbard cost himself a 383 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,760 ton of money going back to school at Oklahoma State. 384 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:22,760 So there's like that Jonah Coleman. 385 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:24,400 A lot of people love Jonah Coleman. 386 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,200 He's like a pass catcher who runs a four. 387 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:28,120 It's just like it's it's unbelievable. 388 00:19:28,120 --> 00:19:30,080 There's a lot of guys. People in the chat are saying 389 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:34,080 like all these dudes you haven't even said yet so I think does 390 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,640 does seem good. Cam Cam. 391 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:39,040 Scatabo, everyone, everyone is going to love. 392 00:19:39,120 --> 00:19:41,040 I mean, he's going to be like he's going to be the new Dylan 393 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:42,440 Lauby. He's like not going to play. 394 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,800 But someone in all of your rookie drafts has taken Cam 395 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:48,800 Scatabo in the in in the third round. 396 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,560 They're the with the three O 4. They're taking Cam Scatabo even 397 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,960 though he's never going to play. Well, we don't know how this NFL 398 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:59,240 season ends yet, but running, it's been our topic, fantasy 399 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,960 football's favorite topic, even if we hate it this year, has 400 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,040 been the resurgence of the veteran running backs. 401 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,240 And aren't NFL teams going to sort of pay attention? 402 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,600 I mean, you've got look at look at the quarterback landscape 403 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:14,040 right now, the rookies from 2024. 404 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,480 Maybe it's even also Pennix. It's certainly Bo Nicks, it's 405 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,320 certainly Jaden Daniels. It's got to be Drake, May 406 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,160 Williams at the One O 1. We'll see. 407 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,280 But so many teams. Maybe Indianapolis, Well, I 408 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,680 don't know, but so many of these teams are kind of locked in. 409 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:31,920 They've paid their money for the mid veteran guys like Tua Golf. 410 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:37,320 I mean, Darna will get paid. Baker the the supply isn't there 411 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,600 coming out of this draft. But teams, most teams are in 412 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,920 pretty good shape. You have teams that'll be 413 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,880 drafting Carolina super early in the draft that really New 414 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,800 England that really don't need that quarterback anyway. 415 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,200 Maybe what the take away from this season is in terms of the 416 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,840 NFL draft is you've got this running back pool that you're 417 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,240 laying out Davis and we've seen it work for Philadelphia. 418 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,720 We've seen we think, you know, benefit Baltimore, some of the 419 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,080 top guys, Houston and let's go do that. 420 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,560 Let's try that now. And what else is there, right? 421 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,360 We're going to talk about the importance of linebackers again, 422 00:21:10,360 --> 00:21:12,120 or offensive lineman again, I mean. 423 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,640 Hey, linebackers are kind of having a resurgence, by the way. 424 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,680 Linebackers are back. I think the thing with the the 425 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,760 NFL, like the conversation around running back like they've 426 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:25,360 always been, they're kind of like a closer in baseball or 427 00:21:25,360 --> 00:21:27,680 something, like they add something, but they have to, but 428 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,560 they're not taking. They might take a great roster 429 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,160 over the top or like if you have everything in place. 430 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:37,200 And also having a. Bad one or or Saquon Barkley 431 00:21:38,120 --> 00:21:41,280 choose Barkley. He's like clearly, clearly 432 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,480 right. But like if you have you know, 433 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,520 the Giants, should the Giants have resigned Barkley? 434 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,360 Would they be any better? They wouldn't be any better. 435 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,360 They wouldn't they? Would they have won like one 436 00:21:52,360 --> 00:21:54,080 more game? Like maybe one? 437 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:55,320 Probably. They probably win. 438 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,640 They probably win one more game. Probably win one more. 439 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:01,160 Game put themselves in a spot. Where they can't take Cam board 440 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:02,640 and they have to trade off or. Something. 441 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:04,600 Yeah, exactly, but it costs themselves a franchise 442 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:09,120 quarterback maybe. So that's where I think the so 443 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,400 the free agent thing probably I feel like probably we went too 444 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,560 far and running backs in free agency than the draft, because 445 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:20,640 in the draft, the trouble with the draft is you're now taking 446 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:25,080 shots that you get at positions, especially we're talking like, 447 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,400 OK, running backs back in the early part of the draft, like 448 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,800 you have a shot to draft a franchise tackle, you know, an 449 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,040 edge rusher. Stuff that doesn't really come 450 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,240 around in free agency. Like you don't get, you don't 451 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:40,320 get, don't show up. Yeah, edge rushers you can find, 452 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,760 but it's like, it's tough, you know, and. 453 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,000 You got and you only get them for a little while and you have 454 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,360 to pay crazy. Like both crazy. 455 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,640 They're like coming off a bad season or old or something. 456 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,040 Both of our teams have done this. 457 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,440 The Bills and the teams have had to try and figure out edge 458 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,160 rushers and and have like super swung and missed. 459 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,360 Traded a first round pick for Frank Clark, Who stinks. 460 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,280 You know Paige. Paige paid an arm and a leg for 461 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,920 Von Miller, who stinks. Can't play anymore. 462 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,720 Next up is Miles Garrett. He'll get traded, right? 463 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,880 And he's kind of cheap actually, for his value. 464 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,800 He deserves it. He's that's a good chief, Miles. 465 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,240 You would be a you would be a you would be a good chief. 466 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,320 By the way, I meant to I meant to tell you guys this or I just 467 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,280 wanted to bring this up on a show that Texans game. 468 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,120 That was the first time all year. 469 00:23:26,120 --> 00:23:29,120 I was like, this is the Chiefs. You're back. 470 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,800 It was, it's like I was ready for them to lose a home playoff 471 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,480 game to the Steelers. And I watched that game and I'm 472 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:39,160 like, oh, this actually makes so much more sense when there's 473 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,000 three guys on the field who can get open. 474 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:45,800 Like subbing out Justin Watson for Hollywood Brown, that's like 475 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,480 subbing me out for Peter Oversat. 476 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,680 That's getting, you're getting, you're getting the real thing 477 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,000 right there. That's. 478 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,200 Like that? That that, that elephant. 479 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,480 Did you get it, Pete? Right there, dude. 480 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,800 I mean, am I, am I alone? Am I alone in this? 481 00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:03,240 Like I just, I thought watching that game, I was like, this is 482 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:04,840 what it was supposed to look like the whole year. 483 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,400 I didn't see much of it. They threw a deep ball to Watson 484 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,800 that didn't work out. I mean when I heard his name on 485 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,040 the radio wide. Open on that play, by the way. 486 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,480 Was he? Wide open, yeah. 487 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,600 Well. On on the early round stuff from 488 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,160 next year, where where do you guys think Bijan will go? 489 00:24:26,120 --> 00:24:27,720 Early. Really early, early. 490 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,760 I think he has a case for the like if we're talking about one 491 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,800 O 1 candidates, he should be in the mix. 492 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,120 I I wholeheartedly, especially because Pennex looked pretty 493 00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:40,680 solid, like we Pennex to be better than Cousins was, yeah. 494 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,600 You also don't want a quarterback to be too good, too 495 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,960 good for for for the one O 1 style running back you want 496 00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:48,640 because you want the offense to be built around the running 497 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:49,960 back. And if you don't do that after 498 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,440 the quarterback's great. Yeah. 499 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,720 So I think Bijon, because he started slow and he looked kind 500 00:24:55,720 --> 00:25:00,240 of bad early, like what he's doing is really, really 501 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,520 impressive and he's. He's been awesome. 502 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,240 He he sent Algier to the woodshed. 503 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:09,120 Yeah. So I, I think like next year 504 00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:11,880 could, could be Bijan's year. I think I I don't. 505 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,400 I'll pay whatever I'm asked to pay. 506 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,600 How about this? If you put Barkley in 507 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,680 Mccaffrey's slot, which is the usual one O 1, how different 508 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,400 does the first round even look? I mean, you've got Jefferson and 509 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,040 Chase, you've got Bijan and Breece Hall, you've got a Monroe 510 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:28,840 St. Brown. 511 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:30,560 Then you get to the end and it's. 512 00:25:31,360 --> 00:25:35,160 All and Tyreke are gone. Hookah's up. 513 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,640 It's pretty similar though for year to year isn't it if you 514 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:43,320 have a lot of the same? Oh sure, if Stafford retires 515 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:44,320 then. We, we've been doing the 516 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,280 Stafford retirement thing for two years, but also I think 517 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:51,000 there's a pretty good lesson to learn from Rogers and Cousins 518 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,880 this year. Not just the Achilles thing, but 519 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,480 just like quarterbacks at a certain point when you when you 520 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:02,840 lose any ability to move, when you when you like truly are 521 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,400 basically just a trebuchet, you're just wheeled out and you 522 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,520 have to, you have to sit and launch the the floor. 523 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,600 You have that in one of those books, Pat, that word. 524 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:12,560 You have that pretty. Yeah, this. 525 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:14,640 Is actually the history of Trebuchet. 526 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,440 It's right behind. My shoulder, yeah. 527 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,680 The the floor for all the. Surrounding players. 528 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,440 Just goes to 0. Just go like if if your 529 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,720 quarterback cannot complete like the, you know, the the classic 530 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,320 NFL good quarterback play, like can you throw the seven yard out 531 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,760 to the sideline and you're not worried about it getting 532 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,280 intercepted if you lose that ability? 533 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,200 By the way, Gibbs, Montgomery's going to be, I know they 534 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,280 extended him. Montgomery's going to be 29 535 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,160 coming off of an injury. It sounds like he's going to try 536 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:49,720 and play in the playoffs, which I just feels misguided to me. 537 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:50,960 But I mean obviously like you don't. 538 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,240 Want to? So if he's playing on it, that 539 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,240 means he's not. Yeah, it does sound misguided to 540 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,240 me, too. But if he doesn't get surgery, 541 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:00,760 here's here's what's probably likely to happen. 542 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,200 If he plays on, he's going to look bad. 543 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:03,480 He's. Going to look terrible. 544 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,840 And so we'll just be like Montgomery's done whether or not 545 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,760 he is done, whether or not he's going to look good next year, we 546 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:14,160 will decide he's done probably right knowing, knowing us and. 547 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,360 10th. Round Montgomery will be. 548 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:17,440 Send me. Death. 549 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,640 Montgomery even. I mean, at that point he's a 550 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,240 contingent play. Yeah, Gibbs will probably, 551 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:24,680 you're right. Gibbs will be in the in the One 552 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:29,080 O 1 conversation. That was my instinct last week. 553 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,680 The Montgomery news came out when we were talking and like 554 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:36,280 MCL doesn't seem like it has to be over, but maybe it won't be 555 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,440 for a running back. It's one thing quarterbacks have 556 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,360 had that injury and they're they're back in a month and are 557 00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:44,600 functional. How about Devin, a Chain? 558 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,280 He's like legitimately gonna have 90 receptions. 559 00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:50,000 He looked awful all year. That's the crazy thing. 560 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,240 Is he just like, dude, he he's been Naji. 561 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:53,360 Goddamn Harris. This. 562 00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:56,200 Year, you know what we're we're gonna do Davis, he's his ATP is 563 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,040 not gonna change by even a pick, but a whole different group is 564 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,960 gonna draft him like we're all we're coming out of the mine and 565 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,200 then the the boomers come in and like the volume. 566 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:09,600 Volume Baby. But OK, but you can imagine what 567 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,280 a chain getting half of the like, not all of it. 568 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,160 He's not going to average 7.8 yards per carry or whatever, but 569 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,800 imagine if he had this volume season with half of last year's 570 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,480 efficiency. Oh yeah, then. 571 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,880 Then you're talking about a guy who'd be back in the One O 1 572 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,200 conversation. Agreed, agreed. 573 00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:28,080 And I mean, he's he was so good two years ago. 574 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,880 I guess it's I'd be very curious to see like what they do with 575 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,480 their offensive line and stuff that's. 576 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,360 So bad. It's so bad like they their 577 00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:41,200 whole offense is is really geared around not not having an 578 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,480 offensive line like they they pass so quick. 579 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,200 That's why Jon has gotten so much volume. 580 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,760 Like they have to get the ball. It's killed Tyreke's efficiency, 581 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:52,360 Wilds efficiency like so yeah, I honestly, I would say that the 582 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,880 same for the Rams, like Stafford, I think has actually 583 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,760 had kind of an impressive year given how bad their pass 584 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,360 protection is. He's had to get the ball out 585 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,840 quickly. I wish he was more of a 586 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,240 trebuchet, right. A trebuchet would have have time 587 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,360 to to, you know, step back and and fire some some deep throws. 588 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:16,160 He's been more trying to get the ball out quick, not as not that 589 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:17,680 high of an 8 out all that. So. 590 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,800 Trebuchet is the what of cromulence. 591 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,480 We have to figure that out before we're done. 592 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,800 I. You need you need cromulence for 593 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,160 a functional trebuchet, I think. Is no you kidding? 594 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,200 That was my yearbook quote. You're you're. 595 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,320 You're mixing it up. You can't. 596 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,840 You can't compare an adjective to a verb well. 597 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:36,880 There's also a book about that behind me. 598 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:41,520 I'll get out of your way. What's James Cook 14 rushing 599 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,000 touchdown. Let me tell you, let. 600 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,160 Me tell you a guy, I will have zero of two. 601 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:47,520 James Cook. James Cook. 602 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,360 James Cook is going to be a six round pick on Underdog and a 603 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:56,920 second round pick on FFPC. Laugh all you want, that's 604 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,680 winning. No, Joe, I don't even think you 605 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,480 believe that. He doesn't even play half the 606 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,200 snaps dude. Yeah, I just, I've never bought 607 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,120 in on cook, but it's happening like what I mean. 608 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,400 It sounds like you bought in now I'm I'm. 609 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,840 I'm I'm pushed in now like it's OK, OK, it's 14 rushing 610 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:19,080 touchdowns. You could very well set the 611 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:23,640 franchise record and you know, Alan is still running for 11 and 612 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,840 doing his thing. But you know, you you're getting 613 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,480 these like yesterday you're getting these sort of random 45 614 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,640 yard touchdown bursts from cook. He's good enough to do that. 615 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,320 Alan is such a threat that it sets up great for him. 616 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:38,960 I mean, it's it's there, so they. 617 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:41,680 They strike me as a team that will draft somebody. 618 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,840 Well, they've done that a lot. 30 I think. 619 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,040 Right. They drafted Davis this year, 620 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,440 you know, this year already. And he seems fine. 621 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,640 They they definitely don't need to, but they probably will in a 622 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,200 deep class. They're like, you know, let's, 623 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:01,240 let's see if we can, let's see if we can find that hammer. 624 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,120 But I could see them looking for that. 625 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:04,640 Because cookie. Interesting kind of a. 626 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,320 Hammer. But he isn't what is. 627 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,360 He's like a screwdriver they used as a hammer. 628 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,040 He's a pickaxe. Travis Hunter's opening big 629 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,880 board ADP going to be Travis Hunter is wide receiver. 630 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,960 What in what round in the big board? 631 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,520 I mean, is he even a wide receiver? 632 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,360 So. He's he? 633 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,520 No. No, no, no, come on. 634 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,480 That is so disrespectful to Travis Hunter. 635 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,400 Hunter is probably better at wide receiver than defensive 636 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:39,680 back, but The thing is, is that a a shutdown corner is like one 637 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:44,760 of the most valuable things to find in the NFL. 638 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,600 Hasn't he also been really good as a cornerback this year? 639 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,000 Like. He's like, he's like the third 640 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,240 best guy in the country of both things. 641 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:58,320 Wow. I mean every, he says, Dionne 642 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:02,040 says, Shadur says. They all say if you're not 643 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:03,560 letting him do both, don't take him. 644 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,360 He he is not signing up to only do one or the other. 645 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,400 The the thing you have to ask yourself is what makes more 646 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,480 sense, a rotational nickel corner or a rotational third 647 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,440 wide receiver who runs 30% of the routes. 648 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,400 And it's like a. Rotational third wide receiver. 649 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:19,840 It's a rotational third wide receiver. 650 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,200 That makes way more sense. Way more sense I mean think that 651 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,480 all like the coverages and stuff you can't just have like a guy 652 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,840 who's like kind of like half I but. 653 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:29,440 He's. Going to do a bad piece on 654 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,680 screens and you can have packages like he doesn't need to 655 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,520 know everything on offense. Here's here's the deal, though. 656 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,720 Teams always say this Crane you, you guys didn't show up. 657 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,160 You guys ran a football a long time. 658 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:47,080 What it what do guys always say the a wide receiver go goes and 659 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,240 runs a nine route and is is beat. 660 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,000 He's got he doesn't really have anyone to tag him out. 661 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,200 You you don't really want you don't really want Justin 662 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:59,080 Jefferson running a nine route and then going to tag out for 663 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,240 Jaylen Naylor, the defensive back. 664 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,160 You know, unless he's Daryl Revis, just tag him out. 665 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,600 It's no, just tag him out. You just go to the sideline and 666 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,600 say I'm I'm beat. I need AI, need a snap off. 667 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,560 That can give you leeway both ways, right? 668 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,680 Like imagine Travis, I don't know, let's look at tankathon. 669 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,800 Imagine Travis Hunter gets drafted by the IT would actually 670 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,520 be hilarious if he went to the bears. 671 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,120 Let's say, let's say The Jets. Garrett Wilson goes and runs a 672 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,920 nine route. He's like, I'm beat, dude. 673 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,040 Travis Hunter comes in and he just only gets like good routes. 674 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,600 You know, he's he's getting, he's getting about 32% of the 675 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,720 routes and he's playing about 70% of the snaps on defense. 676 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:39,400 But they're just all good routes. 677 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,280 Yeah, he he's Kadarius Tony, but but not because he's he's 678 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,600 impossible to deal with, but because he plays cornerback at a 679 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,800 high level. That's that's what he is, right? 680 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:52,000 He's he's actually in the team's good graces, but only runs 30% 681 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,880 of the routes with it's. It's just a matter of will 2025 682 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,960 be a slappy year because Travis Hunter will be the slappiest 683 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,480 pick on the board at wide receiver because, you know, 684 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,280 there's so few scenarios where you're getting a full time wide 685 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:05,400 receiver. Like really? 686 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,120 Yeah. He's going Pat, he's going to a 687 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:09,840 terrible team, almost definitely. 688 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,159 Like do they have a quarterback situation that's anything like 689 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,920 he goes to the Bears? I don't know but I do they have 690 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,120 a best best. Case, best case, I think he goes 691 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,120 to Cleveland and and Jameis plays all year that that's like 692 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,120 kind of what you're that's like best, best case. 693 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:26,480 Don't you think Cleveland is already? 694 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,280 Done. You're like, did the rest of the 695 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,199 quarterbacks like go on strike Like there's no Jameis can't 696 00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:33,760 play a full year anymore. Like he's getting he just got 697 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,760 benched for DTR. I think they're done with him, 698 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,760 Cleveland. Yeah, yeah. 699 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,360 But but what about Carolina? They're they're kind of 700 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,320 interesting for this. Like Carolina could be a team 701 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,600 where he does both. I think most I think a bad team 702 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,840 would sooner put him on defense and then eventually you get good 703 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,920 and you mix him in. You know, he's not going to be 704 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,520 the Chiefs drafting CEH or something like this where you 705 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,280 have like, we'll just see what happens. 706 00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:01,080 Steen comments Pats is the dream best cases Panthers or patriots. 707 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:05,720 I don't, I like as someone who's like I, I don't really have that 708 00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:08,360 much Drake man dynasty, so I shouldn't be like invested in 709 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,240 him for his entire career, but I am, you know, I, I was all in 710 00:35:11,240 --> 00:35:14,080 him as a rookie and emotionally I'm I want this guy to succeed 711 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,600 and I think he looks really good. 712 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,360 So I, you know, I want him to get some weapons. 713 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,560 Give me Ted McMillan, man. Don't give me, don't give me 714 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,000 Travis Hunter. Don't do it to me. 715 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,040 I'd I'd have no interest because he's he's probably going to be a 716 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:28,520 cornerback. And if he's not a cornerback, 717 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,480 he's a wide receiver who's spending like half his time or a 718 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,600 third of his time with the defensive backs or whatever. 719 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:38,080 Like I spend AI want a wide receiver who's spending 100% of 720 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,080 his time thinking about how to be an offensive weapon. 721 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:48,560 Unless unless Pat this guy is an alien and and like like imagine 722 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,760 Randy Moss decided I also want to be an all world defensive 723 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,000 back. Like, I'm not saying I'm not 724 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,560 saying I'm not saying he is that I'm just saying like based on 725 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,360 what I watched him do in college, it's at least possible 726 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,600 that he is actually like, OK. I mean, that would be really 727 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,080 fun. Like, I, my hope is that Travis 728 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,080 Hunter goes to a quarterback I'm not emotionally invested in and 729 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,360 then it's a superstar. You know, that would be great 730 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,320 for the league, but I don't want to take the chance. 731 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,800 Someone moves heaven and earth. A good team moves heaven and 732 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:24,240 earth to get him. Like imagine he is a like a 733 00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:26,120 commander. Commander would actually be 734 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,240 great because they need both things so bad. 735 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,680 They're not very rotational guy on the commanders, we'd be into 736 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:33,880 that. I know, but they're going to 737 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:35,920 draft 23rd, right? Like, yeah. 738 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,080 Who is? Well I'm saying, I'm saying you, 739 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:42,400 you, you move up to the Titans pick and you give them three 740 00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:47,000 firsts or like 2 firsts and a a second and a fourth or 741 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,240 something. Travis Hunter feels like a 742 00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:51,520 Jaguar to me. No, The thing is, you've never 743 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,080 said to anything more accurate. In your life? 744 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,160 Yeah, it's really. He's a he's a Jaguar and he 745 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,240 suffers a Liz Frank injury. Mini camp. 746 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:05,680 You have to Liz Frank is the turp bunch of crumb crumb. 747 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,360 The Jalen Hurts injury. I'll get back to that. 748 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,040 No or I won't. The Jalen Hurts injury means 749 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:13,720 what here? I mean, it's maybe not. 750 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,240 Is he going to miss this week or no? 751 00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:18,280 What do we think? Well, it means Kenny Pickett's 752 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:23,480 not getting a new contract. Kenny Pickett his his dream of 753 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,400 just quietly playing behind Jalen Hurts and us hearing what 754 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,120 great guy is in meetings and then going to be someone's 755 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:31,080 starter. It's not happening. 756 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,720 He did make a couple throws. I was like. 757 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,240 He made a couple throws. He did make a couple throws, 758 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,640 yeah. How do you like Washington 759 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,400 turning the ball over five times and still beating the Eagles? 760 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,960 Yeah. The Commanders are a deeply 761 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:51,400 unserious team outside of the one guy, and it just shows the 762 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,080 value in having the one guy like that guy has. 763 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,000 I agree Cook Kingsbury really knows the stuff. 764 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:04,040 Like, and I think Rotopat has been tweeting about this a lot. 765 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:10,240 The way that Jaden Daniels teammates talk about him, it is 766 00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:13,560 as if they have met the Lord. It is as if they've had a 767 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,640 religious experience being in the huddle. 768 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,560 Which is Daniels. That is no small thing. 769 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:23,520 I I have the talking to Ross Tucker every Tuesday on my show 770 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,720 in Buffalo. And he, so he had a short 771 00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:28,080 career. He played for the Bills, he 772 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,280 played for Dallas and Washington and he finished his career with 773 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,800 New England. And we were talking about 774 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,360 whether it was Allen. I think it might have been about 775 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,560 Jaden Daniels. And he said you cannot overstate 776 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,320 the effect that the the the confidence a team has the 777 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,680 players 1 by 1 when they feel like they have the quarterback, 778 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,360 right when they have somebody you could just win games for the 779 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,960 you cannot overstate that. He when he went to play with 780 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,640 Brady after having played for Buffalo. 781 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,360 And you know, Washington like just this is so different. 782 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,760 You've just got everybody in here knows we can really win. 783 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:04,320 And that is that that reminds Washington reminds me of of that 784 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,160 comment. What you're saying about 785 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,440 Daniels. Is it live? 786 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,480 Is it potentially live for this year? 787 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:12,560 I mean you. Win the Super Bowl? 788 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,000 No, they're not the. Super Bowl. 789 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:14,880 But they're too. Shitty. 790 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,400 They just have, they just have like shitty players everywhere. 791 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,880 Like Jameson, Crowder was playing a big part in that game 792 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:25,000 yesterday. I know, but what's what's their 793 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,880 you know, thinking of maybe in terms of the playoff best ball 794 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,440 drafts for another week in here and Detroit lost. 795 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:35,160 They have 15 players defensive players on IR. 796 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:40,280 Is it like just pretty, pretty vulnerable looking Minnesota and 797 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:44,680 Eagles Washington as the seven is going to one of those teams? 798 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,160 Is it something like would you dabble with Washington in these 799 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:48,360 drafts? I guess that's the question I 800 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,160 want to ask. Gotta like them more than the 801 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,840 Bucks now, right? Yeah. 802 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,600 I mean, you have to. Yeah. 803 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,640 I mean, the Bucks really hurt themselves. 804 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,360 The The Bucks actually need the Commanders to win this week 805 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,960 after what they did last night. They play Atlanta Sunday night. 806 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,880 Yeah. Yeah. 807 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,200 Biggest biggest thing in playoff best ball from yesterday is the 808 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,840 Rams. The every outcome was was good 809 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,800 for the Rams. Seahawks lost, the Cardinals 810 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,800 lost. The Rams won a game they that 811 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,240 like they could have easily lost. 812 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,720 Niners are out like. They're I think, I think the 813 00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:28,960 Rams, what was it? If the Seahawks lose next week, 814 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,480 I think the Rams are in because the Rams own tiebreakers over 815 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,800 the Seahawks. So if the Seahawks lose one of 816 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:42,800 the next two, then the Rams are in and the Rams play the 817 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:47,040 Seahawks in one of those games. So the Rams, the Rams control 818 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,040 their own destiny, but they they're even better than that. 819 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,600 Like they might not even have to beat the Seahawks and still get 820 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,040 in. The Rams are in a much, much 821 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:55,720 better spot than they were starting. 822 00:40:55,720 --> 00:40:58,640 The week, don't forget, you already know the Week 17 823 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,720 schedule. So just, you know, fall back on 824 00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:03,280 what we've learned. I kind of forgot it. 825 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,080 I forgot a couple of them already because I'm because I'm 826 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:10,440 now I'm now to I'm now I'm memorizing who's likely to play 827 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,960 who and play off basketball. I'm like, well, you don't really 828 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,800 want you don't really want the the the NFC South winner for 829 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:18,320 you. You don't want Buccaneers or 830 00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,600 Falcons with the because they're likely to play each other. 831 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,880 Yeah, well, like the Rams look like they're going to be the 832 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,680 three, which is incredible playing Green Bay. 833 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,200 They were, they were about to trade Cooper Cup away. 834 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,480 And then Cooper Cup and Matt Stafford had breakfast together 835 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,520 and they were like. One time they got one breakfast. 836 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,760 We got, we got one, we got one last job to do. 837 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,720 You guys remember that they were about to trade Cooper Cup. 838 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,320 No, I always thought that was a lie, like the way McVeigh, the 839 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,120 way McVeigh plays the media. So like that morning was the 840 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,280 Thursday night game was the Minnesota, the cup game, 841 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,760 whatever it was like, oh, you know, there's media falls 842 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,640 forward or they're in on it. They might trade Cooper Cup. 843 00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,720 He goes out and has puka plays unexpectedly and they both have 844 00:41:59,720 --> 00:42:01,240 monster games. Like yeah, we probably won't do 845 00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:01,720 that now. He. 846 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,040 Was 7% owned in showdown that night and I didn't and I had, I 847 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,600 had 70%. I just, it's like, it's like, 848 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,840 let me tell you, gambling is not just, it's a, it's a bad, it's a 849 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,920 bad, bad thing to do. McVeigh goes to cop. 850 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,960 Like, don't worry about it, I'm just going to float this out and 851 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,360 somebody talking about that and puka. 852 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,560 Nobody. They both roll out of the field 853 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,600 and catch 25 passes. I think is real, man. 854 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,240 I, I think I got the sense watching that game and listening 855 00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:30,600 to the way the guys talk after I, I think it was real. 856 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,960 I think they all knew that was the game to stay together 857 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,080 because if they lost that game, they were what they would have 858 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,960 been three and five would have been would have been pretty 859 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:43,800 thin. If they lost that game, remember 860 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,320 the game they lost to Miami on a Monday night couple weeks after 861 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,760 that? Like they seem so dead but. 862 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,000 Yeah, I mean, they, they looked terrible in the win over the 863 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,880 49ers. You know, in that rain game, 864 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,000 Mcveigh's all wet. He couldn't call any plays that 865 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,440 weren't runs up the. First time they beat the 49ers, 866 00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,600 they stole that game too, very early in the season. 867 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,000 Yeah, So that's right. We're looking at maybe like 868 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:09,880 Green Bay at the Rams, Minnesota at Atlanta as AS2, NFC playoff 869 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,400 wild card games where the road teams could both be favored. 870 00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:16,160 That's got to be, that's where. Where are you guys at on Vikings 871 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,200 Lions Week 18? Do we do what? 872 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,560 What do we what like? Because now the Eagles. 873 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,520 Eagles are 0% for the BI, right? They are. 874 00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,440 They're yeah, they they're basically dead. 875 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,600 Because one of those teams will win that game. 876 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,120 Correct. And Detroit at San Francisco, 877 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,080 Minnesota, Green Bay as always on Week 17. 878 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,480 Yeah, I guess so. Minnesota, I mean, Minnesota 879 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:45,320 just has to hit a, they have to hit what, like a + 210 parlay of 880 00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:49,800 where they beat Packers? Packers at home, Lions at home. 881 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,160 At Detroit. At Detroit, OK. 882 00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:54,960 So probably and. Who's the Lions play this week? 883 00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:56,720 Parlay, San Fran, on Monday night. 884 00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:01,960 Dead, Dead man walking team. Kind of, but I mean, they're, 885 00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:06,640 they could be frisky. What did San Francisco have to 886 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,240 offer yesterday? That was that was in the Bills 887 00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:10,120 window. So Davis? 888 00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,000 No, nothing there. Well, the 49ers without a 889 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,760 functional running back, it's a tough ask. 890 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:20,240 They're they're down to a guy who would have spent all of 891 00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:23,720 training camp like carrying pads around like shag and punts is 892 00:44:23,720 --> 00:44:26,320 what Patrick Taylor junior would have been doing in training 893 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:30,640 camp. He he was the RB5 on the 894 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,240 practice squad to start the year. 895 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,400 Kyle Uscheck was getting rushes in that. 896 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,680 Game Did he do everything yesterday for them? 897 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:43,840 Taylor Debo it. Was Debo. 8 for 24 debo, 5 for 898 00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,840 2534 for 26. Yeah, not a lot of juice. 899 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,120 No, and and it's not the same debo. 900 00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,800 It's not the debo of old. Sure it sure ain't. 901 00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,880 You had the tweet, right Davis? Like what was the tweet a couple 902 00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:01,000 of weeks ago on him? Something about when there's 903 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,360 nothing in the tank or a flat tire or something like that on 904 00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,880 him. Yeah, squeaky, squeaky wheel 905 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:07,800 doesn't work on a flat tire. Can't. 906 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,600 Can't. Grease a squeaky wheel on a flat 907 00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,680 tire and. You, you had, you had a tweet 908 00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:17,680 this morning on Kincaid that I wanted to ask you about, just 909 00:45:17,720 --> 00:45:20,400 like not, not anything. What was your vibe when it comes 910 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:21,640 to him? What do you mean? 911 00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:25,840 I just saw someone posting in Pete's discord, 7 targets, 4 912 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,880 catches, 15 yards is like the platonic ideal of the dog 913 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,480 Kincaid stat line and I just wanted to look like has he 914 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,320 actually been as bad as everyone in Pete's discord says he is? 915 00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,760 Which is honestly mostly fueled by jealousy that Liam keeps 916 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,080 winning at best. Ball people. 917 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,200 Hated. They hated so much that Liam 918 00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,160 keeps winning, so they they hate on Kincaid. 919 00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:51,840 The answer is it's not great Kincaid's outcomes, but I would 920 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:56,160 say he's definitely not dead in terms of his historical cohort 921 00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:00,720 because he's like more yards per game than Vernon Davis, 922 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,480 Hawkinson, Todd Heap, Greg Olsen and Joku. 923 00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:07,040 Tight ends are are weird tight ends. 924 00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:08,960 It just there, it's a weird position. 925 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,000 It's very hard to be good at that position. 926 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,520 Where do you where do you think Bowers goes? 927 00:46:15,240 --> 00:46:18,240 Sadly, too rich for my blood. I will be. 928 00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:21,160 I'll be sitting in the cock chair drafting Trey McBride, 929 00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:26,000 insisting it'll finally be the year he scores touchdowns. 1-2 930 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,560 turn, someone said in the chat. I think 1-2 turn. 931 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,480 I mean, that's probably right. With with Sam Darnold getting 932 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:39,720 paid $40 million a year as his quarterback. 11 or or two picks 933 00:46:39,720 --> 00:46:42,040 would be would be where I would start thinking about Bowers if 934 00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,600 that happens, but man that'd be fun. 935 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,640 Kincaid is dynasty tight end. What I mean, you don't have that 936 00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,760 many names here that have to come in over them even without 937 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,360 really having his having done anything. 938 00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,200 In dynasty, tight ends tend to be expensive, but I think you 939 00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,800 want to get off the Kincaids. Maybe you need another year to 940 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,200 get some value back in or something. 941 00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,400 But like, he's not it. Kincaid is not it. 942 00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:07,200 You know, he's not one of the guys. 943 00:47:07,240 --> 00:47:11,240 He might be like a a functional tight end for a few more years 944 00:47:11,240 --> 00:47:16,040 and maybe he has a but the problem for Kincaid is that his 945 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:19,200 archetype sometimes find success is like a pure pass catcher with 946 00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,280 an elite quarterback. But that's where he is now. 947 00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:25,160 Like he's living the dream now. So like, what's the upside for 948 00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,240 him in three or four years? Like it's pretty it's kind of 949 00:47:27,240 --> 00:47:29,480 downsizing. Like he might be Mike Kasicki or 950 00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,200 something. Yeah, the only but is that they 951 00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,800 already have a tight end who does what they want from that 952 00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,760 position. Dawson knocks, has his hand 953 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,160 down. They're running the ball great. 954 00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,920 Well, not great, but they're doing a lot of it and they're 955 00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,280 winning all the time. They, they, they. 956 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,360 It's winning football when Knox is on the field. 957 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:49,400 Right. For years. 958 00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,160 For like 5 years in a row. Would you rather have Tucker 959 00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:57,000 Kraft or Dalton Kincaid? Is a is a fantasy asset or? 960 00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:58,520 Dynasty. Dynasty. 961 00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:00,200 Superflex. I'd rather have Tucker Kraft. 962 00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:04,200 Would you rather have David and Joku or Dalton Kincaid and? 963 00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:05,600 Joku is 20. Eight years old. 964 00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,800 Kincaid is 25 and Jo got super young. 965 00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:14,080 But you guys, you guys want a truly phenomenal fact that I, I, 966 00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:18,800 it doesn't even seem real. Kyle Pitts is a full year 967 00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:20,200 younger than Dalton Kincaid. That's. 968 00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,600 Right, I'd rather I'd rather Kincaid than Pitts. 969 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,280 I'd rather have Kincaid. I'd definitely rather have 970 00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,560 Kincaid. What about old ass Mark Andrews 971 00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:30,600 or Dalton Kincaid? No one you're you're getting, 972 00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:35,360 you're getting, you're getting a definitely a year of usable 973 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:39,120 stats out of Andrews, maybe 2. I would take Andrews on that on 974 00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,160 that one. Who knows when he's done. 975 00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,440 I mean, tight ends can last into their mid 30s. 976 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,800 Well, not Kelsey. I think with Andrew, what's, 977 00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,920 what's Andrew's contract status because you're actually hoping 978 00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,280 he becomes literally Zach Gertz and goes to like the commanders 979 00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,680 and finishes up his career just like on pure target volume or 980 00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,600 something. No, no shot, No shot. 981 00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,680 Does that happen. By the way, he and Lamar love 982 00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:01,240 each other. He's younger too. 983 00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,280 I mean, he's the same. He's the Lamar draft. 984 00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,680 They they actually, he's going to get, he's going to either 985 00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:11,120 restructure or get cut because his out year is this offseason. 986 00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:16,120 I, I, I would kind of be into him getting cut and going 987 00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,640 somewhere else because they're not, they're not giving him full 988 00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,280 route participation. And I think he has fallen off 989 00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,120 where he needs full route participation. 990 00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,800 He needs full route participation like high targets 991 00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,240 per out run, which he can get. His open score has been pretty 992 00:49:31,240 --> 00:49:32,760 good. He's, I think, let me pull it 993 00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,800 up. He's first in open score and 994 00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,000 he's been first in open score like for like 5 straight years 995 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,880 or something like his his route running is really good, but 996 00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:46,040 yards after catch score. Tight ends worse than him Tyler 997 00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:49,000 Conklin Zach Ertz Evan Ingram, Travis Kelsey those are the only 998 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,880 tight ends worse than. Mark trade Mark Andrews to me, 999 00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,400 Car accident, major injury last year. 1000 00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:59,480 We do this with other positions, like just look, he's 29. 1001 00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:01,240 I don't know. I'm in. 1002 00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,000 I'm in. I need him to accumulate though. 1003 00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,280 I just think he's in a bad spot for his skill set going forward. 1004 00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:10,800 Like I've been a big Andrews guy basically his entire career. 1005 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:14,960 So it's more about like Lamar, I don't think no longer is like 1006 00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,800 serving what he's going to a part time role with Lamar is 1007 00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:20,560 just like. He's just got, he's got to score 1008 00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:25,120 like 12 touchdowns a year to to pay off in this role. 1009 00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,800 And now that Derrick Henry is getting 20 touchdowns? 1010 00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:30,280 I mean he's getting there like he scored. 1011 00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:32,320 How many touchdowns do you have over the last like 8 weeks? 1012 00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:33,680 It's crazy, but. He's. 1013 00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,400 Got 9. Yeah, that that's the ceiling is 1014 00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,240 even with those touchdowns, like the touchdowns are just getting 1015 00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:41,840 to where you're like, all right, Andrew's. 1016 00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,400 Andrew's paid off this week, but you're not getting any kind of 1017 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:48,200 ceiling with him. It's increasingly precarious 1018 00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,600 because they're just not putting them out there all the time. 1019 00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,640 I think it should trend up. He'd be somebody that I think is 1020 00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,600 go, go after him in the offseason. 1021 00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,640 But last year in the deep end, Adam and I are always drafting 1022 00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,920 Mark Andrews, like in everything, the pros versus 1023 00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,240 Joe's and everything. One time I turned Pat on and he 1024 00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:06,720 was talking to Jacob, maybe you, Davis, about, you know, 1025 00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:08,320 investing in Mark Andrews. Like, damn. 1026 00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:10,480 Because people are going to think I'm just copying Pat. 1027 00:51:11,240 --> 00:51:14,720 You know, he's got a bigger audience, but I wasn't, I'm 1028 00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:17,480 telling you, I wasn't. This year hasn't been as good 1029 00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,160 Kincaid. So he's almost top five Pitts. 1030 00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,120 So we talked about Kyle Pitts every minute. 1031 00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,520 There's about to be a a a young man by the name of Tyler Warren 1032 00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:32,200 who's like the 17th pick in the NFL draft Who and and Harold 1033 00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:37,400 Fannon, who is at Bowling Green State University, had like 1900 1034 00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,840 yards as a college tight end. If he's like a third round pick 1035 00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,560 to the Dolphins or something, I might just immediately rather 1036 00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:47,000 have him than than Kincaid, because I know whatever team 1037 00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,760 takes this fan and guy is not asking him to block. 1038 00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,160 They they, they are they, They well know who they are getting. 1039 00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:54,920 What's John Who then, by the way? 1040 00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,520 Oh. Loveland, Colston, Loveland, he 1041 00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,920 is. I mean, he's he's Michigan, 1042 00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:01,840 which is basically the same thing as Iowa Michigan. 1043 00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:03,200 Is the. Iowa, but good. 1044 00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,080 So that's that's your new, your new Kittle type. 1045 00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:09,600 Is John also on this on this list? 1046 00:52:09,720 --> 00:52:13,840 Interesting. Next year he is 29 I believe. 1047 00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:18,680 John So the thing with tight end is there's only a couple guy. 1048 00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:22,200 This is why I'm I like drafting tight ends early, is that 1049 00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,560 there's only a couple guys usually or this year that felt 1050 00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,240 like maybe there was more, but we were wrong about a number of 1051 00:52:28,240 --> 00:52:30,000 them. But you know, McBride was in 1052 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,280 that group. McBride would very much be like 1053 00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:37,240 the type of guy who's like A-team's number one wide #1 wide 1054 00:52:37,240 --> 00:52:38,880 receiver with tight end eligibility. 1055 00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:42,720 There's only a few people in the NFL who can do that. 1056 00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,960 Right now. It looks like it's Bowers and 1057 00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,760 McBride, I'd say are like the two guys who are going to next 1058 00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,080 year be like a true #1 wide receiver with tight end 1059 00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:55,200 eligibility. Laporta after. 1060 00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,080 That What'd you say? Laporta's next right. 1061 00:52:58,080 --> 00:52:59,680 He doesn't have the opening, but. 1062 00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:01,920 Yeah, but I don't think he's that guy. 1063 00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:05,560 I I think he's I think he's a good NFL player, but he's he 1064 00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,880 really belongs more in the Evan Ingram, David and Joku kind of 1065 00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:10,600 group. You know, as we think about like 1066 00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:14,240 they could a really good secondary option with tight end 1067 00:53:14,240 --> 00:53:17,520 eligibility, but that we shouldn't be paying like top 1068 00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,320 five rounds for for that type of player. 1069 00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:23,080 I don't think. I mean, maybe he he has shown a 1070 00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:26,080 ceiling at the down the stretch. So, you know, I'm open to 1071 00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:27,720 arguments, I guess going on in his third year. 1072 00:53:27,720 --> 00:53:33,160 But but yeah, I think you you if you're paying up, you really 1073 00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,880 want them to be like the the primary weapon on their offense 1074 00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,880 and really good. That's where it's worth paying 1075 00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,320 up. The the middle class of tight 1076 00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:47,560 ends are is like it can be a trap because a lot of good tight 1077 00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,720 end seasons end up being kind of circumstance related. 1078 00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:52,920 You know, we've had lots of like one year wonders at the 1079 00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:56,560 position, like the Gary Barnage type years where like a guy 1080 00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,560 comes in and just. Absolutely tight ends. 1081 00:53:58,720 --> 00:54:01,560 Noah Gray has like 7 tight ends and he's, he's like the tight 1082 00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,160 end 9 or something. And it's like, you know, just a 1083 00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,520 total nothing. Like you you can really it can 1084 00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,800 evaporate. There can be like real mirages 1085 00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:11,960 at at tight end. So Johnny would be an A guy I'd 1086 00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,600 be pretty wary of of spending capital. 1087 00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,240 You want to look for Johnny types when they're free. 1088 00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:19,480 You know, like everything could come together for this. 1089 00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,560 Guy Evan Ingram going to the Jaguars. 1090 00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:23,880 Yeah, everything going to the Jaguar. 1091 00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:28,320 I think Gesicki next year if he's re signs with the Bengals 1092 00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:32,360 and and T Higgins leaves and is like a six 15th, 16th round 1093 00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:33,760 pick. Like, I'll have a lot of him 1094 00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:39,760 like guys who could emerge as really underpriced contributors 1095 00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:43,960 and good offenses terrain, you know, but I don't want to pay 1096 00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,720 for it. While we're doing this, that 1097 00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:49,280 auction league, the, the, the famous league that you and I are 1098 00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,760 in, I, I had 30 more points per game than every other team in 1099 00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:54,720 the regular season. I I'm going to lose. 1100 00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:57,000 I'm not going to. I'm not going to win. 1101 00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:01,160 Am I going to win? I think Gretch is going to win 1102 00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:05,200 because Mahomes started scoring fantasy points in the in the 1103 00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,320 playoffs. But it's, it's, it's just, it's 1104 00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:13,880 so annoying that I, I literally in this dynasty league show my 1105 00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,640 team averaged 198 points per game. 1106 00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,360 No one else in the league more than 175. 1107 00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,440 And is it best ball or no? Yes. 1108 00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,440 Yeah, It's 30, man. You guys don't have time for 1109 00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,720 Yeah, right. Oh no, I'm, I'm a sicko. 1110 00:55:27,720 --> 00:55:29,800 Actually, this is another thing I want to talk about. 1111 00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,680 I want I want to know what you guys make of this. 1112 00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,240 This is the best year of in my life. 1113 00:55:35,240 --> 00:55:37,920 In my home leagues. I I won every semi final. 1114 00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:41,800 I was in dynasty redraft. I won. 1115 00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,400 I won all of them. Is there, is there a lesson 1116 00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:45,920 there? Am I just bad at best ball? 1117 00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,960 Was it? Is it that I could cut Rashi 1118 00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,000 Rice's roster spot in? The yeah, I mean that helps. 1119 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:52,560 Is that, is that really as simple as it is? 1120 00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,840 That definitely helps. No, don't quit. 1121 00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,080 Never give up, No. I, I promise I'm I'm going to 1122 00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,480 draft even harder. They're going to, I'm going to, 1123 00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:06,240 I only had 1500 teams this year, 2500 teams next year. 1124 00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:08,120 I'm drafting. I'm drafting even more. 1125 00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:12,200 How about this? So four years ago, I got excited 1126 00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:16,960 about the Empire format, where you have to win back-to-back and 1127 00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,480 then half the money, basically half the money every year goes 1128 00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:24,960 into a pot and you play for 10 years and there's somebody you 1129 00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,760 guys know is one win. Oh, probably he has to avoid 1130 00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:31,120 tonight, but he should one win away from taking it down. 1131 00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,040 Mike Leone. Yeah. 1132 00:56:33,240 --> 00:56:35,120 For six man. He's he's made. 1133 00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:39,440 He's made our leagues this way. We, we, we, we transition, if 1134 00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:40,200 anyone. Wins 3. 1135 00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:43,080 Times in a row our dynasty leagues are over, yeah. 1136 00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:45,080 Three times in a row? Come on. 1137 00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:46,200 Really. That's impossible. 1138 00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,560 Maybe it's two, maybe it's 2. That's the empire format. 1139 00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,960 You put a 10 year limit on it and if it goes 10 years, nobody 1140 00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:54,960 wins back-to-back. You just put all you give all 1141 00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,920 the money back evenly. But he's one went away from 1142 00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:01,640 taking it all down. Do we like that you have people 1143 00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,720 in the league that want him to win because their teams seem 1144 00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:06,160 kind of dead, right? Let's just end. 1145 00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,680 It they want it over with. I have to write a $6000 check. 1146 00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:13,920 I'm not sure I want it dead. But let's talk about tonight 1147 00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,560 before we wrap. So I mentioned in the open 1148 00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,880 Kendry Miller. I mean, I, I was like, you guys, 1149 00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,280 you know, I think probably just excited about him, one of these 1150 00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,080 rookies and it's just been so tough. 1151 00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,480 But here's his opportunity. Should I brace myself for 1152 00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:29,840 getting buried by Kendra Miller? Their team total is 14. 1153 00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:33,960 I don't want to stress too hard. No, I don't. 1154 00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,840 I don't think you need to be. If anything, the thing you 1155 00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:43,120 should be worried about is that the the Packers, if you need 1156 00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:46,680 Packers, like if you need like oh, I need 12.7 from Jaden Reed 1157 00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:49,920 or something. Your concern would be Jordan 1158 00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:53,160 Love is at five straight games or six straight games with fewer 1159 00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:56,080 than 30 drop backs. I believe they're three straight 1160 00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:59,360 games with fewer than 55 offensive plays total. 1161 00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:06,240 So your concern would be if Ben Sims scores a touchdown on the 1162 00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,720 1st drive or something like you are, you're like in jail. 1163 00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:12,600 You're like, oh shit. Like I just, I just can't get 1164 00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:17,440 there. I need 15.9 from Watson and if I 1165 00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:22,880 get it I will see you both in the mini schnauzer 6 finals but 1166 00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:25,960 it's no no sure thing and fading down. 1167 00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:28,920 Yeah, I need to, I need to check if if I'm getting chased down by 1168 00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,600 Jacobs because that's that's the guy that scares. 1169 00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:35,320 Me, I just do I I made the mistake of looking at some of my 1170 00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:39,360 teams yesterday and being like, oh, if I get from Rico Dowdell 1171 00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:46,400 was not like basically. Mental health don't. 1172 00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:50,520 Don't, don't do that. And I knew, I knew I like knew I 1173 00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:53,440 had Jill McMillan on every team. I advanced in the big board. 1174 00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:55,320 So I was like, oh, this is great. 1175 00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:56,920 Just don't, just don't look, man. 1176 00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,160 Just absolutely, just absolutely don't look. 1177 00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:05,320 We needed the ship chasing team that we drafted on the 1st week 1178 00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:07,920 of Basketball Mania that made the semis. 1179 00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:14,240 We needed an HN touchdown to even kind of be in the hunt, and 1180 00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:18,440 then we got it. So we then had a Baker double 1181 00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,920 with McMillan and Evans and Dowdell. 1182 00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:24,800 So we're like, all right, we're a lot and then we're not. 1183 00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:26,760 We weren't. We were not live. 1184 00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:30,960 Just easily, just just easily not live just like immediate. 1185 00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,200 Like The thing is, if you think you need it, you're just like 1186 00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,200 immediately dead. You're just like immediately. 1187 00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,160 You're not going to win. Somehow I managed to lose a pick 1188 00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:39,880 em Thursday night despite having a Darius Davis touchdown. 1189 00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,640 Who's that? That is, that is it. 1190 00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:45,760 Hurt. It hurt fortunate. 1191 00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:47,760 Pat, you're in Delaware with family. 1192 00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:51,800 What's your Christmas like? Christmas, we're going to be 1193 00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:56,080 doing Christmas Eve at my sister's and my side of the 1194 00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:57,880 family's all getting together there. 1195 00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:01,720 And then Christmas, pretty early in the morning, we're going to 1196 01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:04,960 drive down to my wife's family's place. 1197 01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,840 She lives nearby. Well, we met New York, but we 1198 01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:11,920 kind of grew up some, you know, fairly like within half an hour 1199 01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:16,080 of each other ironically. But we're going to be spending 1200 01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,720 Christmas morning with them. But we're down here for like 1201 01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:22,080 another, we're down here through almost to the new Year. 1202 01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:25,640 So we'll because my brother and his family are out of the 1203 01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:27,840 country right now. So we're sticking around till 1204 01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:29,840 they get back and we'll see them right before the new year. 1205 01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:31,120 Very nice. So yeah. 1206 01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:33,040 Lots of lots of travel and lots of visiting family. 1207 01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:36,720 Davis. No travel for me, bless. 1208 01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:40,280 Christmas at home. Yeah, my wife's parents live 1209 01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,600 like in the same, in the same neighborhood and I'm not, I'm 1210 01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:46,520 not driving 10 hours to go to go home for myself. 1211 01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:50,120 So beautiful. I live on Grand Grand Island, 1212 01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:52,120 NY, just north of Buffalo near the falls. 1213 01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:56,080 My father, my mother, my two sisters all live on the island. 1214 01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:58,400 My wife's sister lives on the island, which is kind of random. 1215 01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:01,200 It's not even that big, but we're all here. 1216 01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:03,960 It'll be a fun and football will be on, just like it's 1217 01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:05,080 Thanksgiving. It's going to. 1218 01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:07,200 Be on It's going to be on all day every. 1219 01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:11,640 Day 2 games on Christmas Wednesday, Thursday night, 1220 01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:16,240 Seattle, Chicago 3 on Saturday, Sunday, Sunday night, Monday 1221 01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:17,280 night. Buckle up. 1222 01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:20,360 Yep. Good luck everybody. 1223 01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:22,920 Merry Christmas, Happy holidays. Thanks for being a part of our 1224 01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:25,560 team here on ADP Chasing. We'll talk to you next week.