All right, Good evening. Good evening.
Special edition of ship Chasing. Tonight, I got my pros versus
Joe's draft. This is an FFPC Bestball league.
It's a slim 18 round, slightly different settings than maybe
some of us are used to on underdogs.
We're going to talk through that as I draft this team from the 1
pilots here tonight, Ben, Gretch and Sacrilegious.
This is Ship Chasing. Let's do it, Pat Fryer, Helmo
Anita. Hand job.
Fix your sight, Jamar and alpha play chase.
You can't handle the heat. It looks like we're finally at
this point. All right, this this draft is
already off to the races guys, so no pleasantries.
Bijon goes 1/3. I was expecting to get Chase
here at 14, but Tyreek Hill feels like a pretty nice gift
here. Do you guys concur?
Yeah, happily. Always, always happy to click
Tyreek at the 104. Let's do it.
How's it going, Gretsch? Good, good.
Yeah, that's a fun start, Tyreek.
Yeah, I guess it is like I spent a lot of time looking at some of
the ADP. I've been looking at some of the
leg up ranks, the Rotovis ranks of course.
But in these industry drafts, right where a lot of people are
doing their first draft, I I feel like the ADP might even be,
and I don't want to say completely meaningless, but not
as helpful as if you were in just like a best ball slim with
all the regulars or. Whoever, but this is also a pros
versus Joes and isn't it every other?
So that would have been a Joe, right?
Since you are a pro? That's true.
Yeah, Let me. The other the way it sets up.
Let me make sure I can give you guys some of the.
I'll get the screen here so you can see.
It's actually my partner. Yeah, it looks like the pros.
There's Matt Schauf, hopefully I'm pronouncing that right from
Draft Sharks. There is Theo from Player
Profiler. There's Stacy Perez, who's
friends with our our gal Steph, Sigmund Bloom, of course,
football guys, and Todd Burrows from Sharp Football.
So got a fun room here. Sacrilegious.
I know you. You and Draco have been doing a
decent amount of this exact style format, right?
Yeah, I think I'm a little over 30 or so FFPC draft so far this
summer. So definitely lighter on this
platform than on Underdog and DraftKings, but been enjoying
it. The the competition is
definitely my my preferred competition to go against in
these rooms. So there's, there's some really
fun stuff that you can do here. The AD PS are much less
efficient much earlier. So there's often times I'll be
in a draft with Draco, they'll say, oh, but that's like, that's
like a full round reach on ADP and like, I don't care the AD PS
So off here, like I, I don't think the guy's coming back to
us. Let's just take the best player.
So this is one of the platforms where I'll deviate the most from
ADP and in a in a room where we know that, you know, people are
going to be sharper than usual, I would definitely be open to
doing that. Yeah, Gretsch, we're we're
getting our bearings in our first FFPC main event slow.
By the way, if you guys are ship chasing VIPs and YouTube
members, I'm gonna start trickling those out.
I'll post our first one tomorrow, so keep an eye out for
that. But Gretsch, we get a pretty fun
bully tight end start here from the turn the the Laporta McBride
at the 1/2. Yeah, that was something we
talked about a little. I can't I can't spoil the the
mini. So I think every year since
since I joined chip chasing, I've spoiled the mini sods in
one way or another. So I'll just say that was
something that came up in one of the episodes.
What a vague strategy. It's not actually something we
went with. That's that's the spoiler I'll
give, but it's it's fascinating. Zach, listen, I'm curious if you
guys do a lot of that or if you're into the bully tight end
in 10 and premium? We definitely, Draco has, has
had some really, really good articles over the years on how
to play the tight end position in tight end premium and we
would not be doing something like sample Porta, Trey McBride
at the 1-2 turn there. It's more so that when the tight
ends are the best pick available, you can feel pretty
comfortable just clicking it and forgoing the other positions
until you get to about three of them.
Like if you find yourself with three just absolute stud tight
ends, then you're probably good because that's the most that you
can play in any one week. With the two flex positions.
It's it's really just like don't be afraid of grabbing the tight
end if it's the best player available, even if you already
have one or two really, really powerful ones, just cause the
position is so, so strong in this format.
I mean, you can have guys dropping 40 or 50, you know.
Yeah, yeah. Wild to see Puku Nuku at 2:04.
That's gonna be probably the latest.
I think I'm gonna see him go in any format this year.
Like that's that's a fun little gift for the 9 hole.
All right, so we are almost up. We have seen a bunch of tight
ends go now, LaPorte McBride at the turn, Kelsey Kincaid, other
guys off, a Chan going much earlier than his ADP early in
the second. JT comes off the board.
Marvin Harrison, we are on deck here.
I'm looking at kind of best available.
I'm probably looking at something like a a Drake London
or Crystal Lavae you. What do you guys think here?
It looks like London, probably. Yeah, I would be London here.
The other thing that I would consider is that I think because
you had the bully tight end happen and actually a pretty
good pick here because I think zebras are the same and it just.
I was gonna suggest tight end because of that.
I think that's the biggest thing.
You would feel like you lost and you're probably flat otherwise,
like Zach said. I I'm really glad you mentioned
that. I think that's definitely how I
want to play it. Let's grab Andrews here and
then. Yeah, I just don't think I like
London, but I don't know if I'm going to feel that much
different about the wide receiver I take in the early
3rd. Yeah.
Is he really all that different to you than Chris Olave or Nico
Collins or, you know, Iuke or Waddle?
Like, probably not. But the difference between Mark
Andrews and Kyle Pitts feels pretty large, and I can tell you
it's on. Two, if Andrews and Pitts both
went on this turn, then you would have been.
Yeah, you're, you're in a world of hurt.
You're cobbling something together with later guys, so.
Let me set the table a little bit more for people who are new
to FFPC. So it is 18 rounds, but the
obviously you have the tight end premium, hence all the tight
ends going. There are two flexes.
So in this format you could start up to four running backs,
you could start four tight ends, you can start four wide
receivers. So it's more like an equal plane
as far as the flex stuff. Otherwise pretty similar as far
as like overall roster construction dynamics, I would
assume kind of from a a best Ball Mania outlook if that's how
people are viewing it. And then as far as the rewards,
I'm pretty sure each individual winner gets a main event ticket
into next year if you win your individual league and then there
might be a top prize too. Does that sound right, Gretsch?
Sounds as I can't remember at all.
Yeah, I don't think I've won one of these.
We got second last year in mind. Me and me and Sean are drafting
tomorrow night. We'll be over on the Stealing
Signals YouTube for anyone who wants to hang for that.
Awesome. I mean, really the biggest
motivator here though, Pete, is I feel like you were being
disrespected in in the lines that were being set for who was
gonna come out on top of this pros versus Joe's league.
So this is just all about. What I did?
I think it was 12:50. I was like middle of the pack
odds relative. I was not the longest, but I was
also not the shortest there. So yeah, we're playing with a
chip on our shoulder tonight. Let's see here.
Yeah. So we have a couple running
back, running back starts. There's the Bijan Barkley team,
the Breece Henry team and the Gibbs A Chan team.
And we are almost on the clock. London does go Crystal Lave,
Adam's waddle. So this is gonna be putting me
at looking at like, is Nico here?
Nico here. Feels good, right?
Yeah, Nico, I'm guessing Mike Evans is another.
Yeah, Malik Neighbors, but probably Nico's a pick.
Yeah, Nico. Nico looks like a smasher.
For me it would be either Nico or Iuke and it's just dealer's
choice really. Yeah, let's, let's grab, let's
grab Nico there. Feel good about that pick.
And yeah, now looking back on that 2V2.
Yeah, feel. Feel London, London pits or or
Andrew's Nico. Yeah.
And correlation on, on both of those.
There is a a very small you could have made an argument here
to just starve the beast and and just take pits here over Nico if
you're feeling really spicy, but I think Nico's the way I would
have played it. Yeah.
Oh, thank you, Henry, for always.
I I believe it. Hang on, is it?
Does it just have 20 on the board?
But it's only 18 rounds? Sacrilegious.
No, no, it's, it's 20. Rounds it is 20.
OK, for some reason I had in my head it was 18.
My bad. 20 rounds. So it is 2 extra rounds there.
The the weird thing on FFPC is there's some rooms where you're
in where you are taking guys that you normally would take in
the 17th and 16th round on Underdog in the 20th.
Like this is a gift. I just got like 4 extra players
that I'm really excited about. And then there's rooms where
it's like, Oh my God, it's a wasteland.
Everyone's super sharp. Like there hasn't been a good
click in forever. You're just scrolling real deep.
I can already tell this is gonna be a fun room because we have
two of the Joes who have started with three straight running
backs. We got one of the pros who
started with two tight ends. So lots of people trying out
different strategies here. And there's another bully tight
end team, Ingram to the Kincaid Rafter and Kyle Pitts went smack
dab there in the third round of the Chase and Marvin Harrison
team. I think that's a really
compelling move in these in best ball when you get the tight end
premium and with how strong you know, I know I believe and I
think most everyone sort of believes the like the elite
tight ends are. I mean, I might be playing that
heavier than than most. Honestly, when you look at like
my underdog portfolio, I'm playing it in almost every
single draft. One of those like top 7:00-ish
tight ends. But in this format especially
like if you can starve the beast a little, it's way more
practical for them to hit the, the flex.
It's, I mean, I, I think it's Todd.
Todd did it pretty early at the 12:13 and then.
Because there it's like you're giving up.
Like, do you really want to give up puka?
Like, you could do Puka McBride or Puka La Porta and be in a
really good spot 'cause your first wide receiver here.
Like, yeah, you're not sad that you're taking, you know, Malik
Neighbors or whoever he takes here.
But I don't know, I feel a little better getting a wide
receiver of Puka's caliber there.
Yeah. What have you noticed, like what
are the quarterback dynamics in these?
They feel like they go a little later.
Part of that is from Titan Premium, the kind of middling
quarterbacks. I feel like the rooms often like
just follow suit. Like you just got to see what
how the room's going to play it. Because I've had rooms where
everyone gets their early quarterback and then everyone
just kind of sitting on their hands and not going to take a
quarterback for a long, long time.
And then just a big run happens. Like Draco and I had a draft
where I want to say it was like in the 14th round or the 13th
round, something like that. There was not a single wide
receiver or running back taken. It was all quarterbacks and
tight ends for the entire round. And it was actually more than
that round. I think it was 15 straight picks
or quarterback or tight end, no running back or or wide
receiver. So runs definitely happened more
on FFPCI would say. The other like really key thing
that I've been trying to do more is I like to think of wide
receivers kind of like dessert on FFPC where you really want to
save room for them at the end because the pricing is really,
really inefficient on FFPC in the later rounds.
At wide receiver, some of the biggest ones would be like you
can get 80 Mitchell in the 17th or 18th round.
And so it's like you need to have slots open on your roster
where you can feel good about adding more receivers.
And, and that's one of the tricky parts on FFPC, you're
gonna feel good clicking receiver a lot early.
And so you might be through 9 rounds with seven receivers and
then you're in round 17 and you're like, Oh my gosh, Jalen
Polk's here in round 17. And I really feel like I can't
click him 'cause I, I need to take, you know, my second
quarterback here or whatever. Yeah, a few of these industry
drafts. So I do, I, I just, I, I think
that's really good insight to add a little color.
I would expect the quarterbacks to definitely go late and I do
wonder if those inefficient AE PS will will last with some of
the people that are planning on other platforms here in this
room. And it is something like seeing
how these running backs are flying off the shelf, like I'm
clearly staring down the barrel of A0RB team.
Not that I'm remotely uncomfortable with that.
But it is then starting to think to your point, like I, I really
need to start prioritizing probably like as much
quarterback and tight end as I can too, Just knowing like I'm
going to want to have some of those wide receiver slots
available later. We're setting ourselves up
really well for this is like one of my favorite positions to be
in for quarterback because we'll very likely take another player
here that either is stacking with our existing bets or
opening up another very good quarterback option that we like.
And then you can just be comfortable pushing quarterback
and be like, if I don't get Lamar, that's OK 'cause I've got
Stroud that can come back. If I don't get that, that's OK,
I've got two or whoever else we open up that's gonna come back.
We do see our first wow first quarterback come off the board,
Allen Ferguson, Stefan Diggs Feels like a smash for this team
here. What do you guys think?
To me he's still in the tier above DJ Moore, Pitman, even
Devonta Smith. To me, I, I, I don't know, I
don't understand Stefan Diggs current fall at on underdog.
It makes no sense to me. Yeah, I would.
I would hammer Diggs here. Yeah, let's do it.
So we get the our second Houston wide receiver.
So we start Tyree kill, then grab Mark Andrews, then Nico and
Stefan Diggs comes to us here. And I guess like technically by
ADP, it's actually slightly ahead.
But man, these, these, this, they must not like Stefan Diggs,
their holy cow. I think you got that.
That X drafter is one of the joes that you probably joke
here. I don't know if it's the three
or the five hole, but you got a a hyper fragile build forming in
the three hole. You got a three straight running
back plus Jake Ferguson build out of the five hole.
Yeah, fascinating room. It's open up some wide receiver
values. I was, I was gonna say, if, if
Jalen Hurts made it back to us, I think you'd just take Jalen
Hurts in the fifth round 'cause it's like that's not where he
should go, you know? And that's I noticed that on it
happens on FFPC and it happens on DraftKings.
For whatever reason, I feel like people just have recency bias.
Like Jalen Hurts didn't finish that strong last year.
It's like, OK, I'll take all the Jalen Hurts you'll give me in
the fifth round. Yeah.
I think. Yeah, so the the team we're
talking about in the three did Bijan, Barkley, ETN, then
Jacobs, Hertz does go like Zach said, there's second to last
pick in this round. Then Patrick Mahomes goes to the
turn drafter and then they come back with Higgins.
What do do we think? Would we just lock up the Lamar
if he comes back here? I would I mean.
I would have a lean toward Stroud over Lamar in this build
personally. I also because this isn't a
playoff, this is total points, right?
And you're making a bet on Nico and Diggs in a way that to me, I
would be more leaning towards Stroud, which means I'd maybe
let Lamar go and try to get Stroud.
The 6-7 was the way I would think about it, but.
The only thing I do in this room, I would not be surprised
if someone sets up like a tank. Yeah.
Stroud. Oh, there goes tank right there.
Oh, interesting. So maybe that's less likely.
Yeah. What do we you think these
drafters will take? Naked naked Stroud.
They might. I usually the way that it goes
for me is I will push Lamar here because you have outs to both
Lamar and Stroud and you, you do have the backup out of pay.
If, if Tua is your consolation prize stack with Tyreek.
That feels perfectly fine to me. So I try to push it to extract a
lot of value from it 'cause if you get Lamar back, you're just
windmilling it in and I think what are your good?
Players. Here.
So it it would probably be Zay, yeah, probably take Zay and then
just see if I can hit one of the double stacks.
That's what I would do. Mash Yeah, that feels awesome.
Let's do it. I there's, there's I think it's
like less than 15%. Lamar comes back, but it's
probably worth that 15. I'll say this, going into Week
14, you're gonna have the lead. I'm not sure it's gonna be after
Week 14 going into a 14. You're gonna you're gonna be in
a good spot. It does make me feel better to
have the tank drafter behind me though.
That's that's really nice. There's one other player I would
have considered here, but I don't wanna say it just 'cause
it it could get back to us. OK, I'll I'll put it in the chat
here. Anyone try the high draft
strategy tonight? Not not me.
I did a little overnight trip with some buddies last night, so
I had all my fun and debauchery for the weekend last night.
Yesterday those those people who who popped onto my stream
yesterday, I had like 50 drafts after this golf tournament
yesterday was very drunk and tried to jump on and have the
chat make my picks for me. That was my stream on the Still
in Signals YouTube channel yesterday.
I. Was going to.
Hang out for a bit. Yeah, someone, someone mentioned
or I saw someone reference that and I was like, wait, what did
you do? Because yeah, you were golfing
all day, right? I was golfing all day, I was way
behind on my pics and I was legit drunk and I was like I
don't want to make these pics. I'm just going to go live and
have the chat help like whoever's around to like tell me
what pics I'm seeing and not seeing.
It did you actually, yeah. Yeah, so I took my first years
as Zeke of the year I took my first.
I took a Tony Pollard when when Karen was on.
I haven't drafted him yet. These are like the the the
flashy memories I had this morning where like God, it took
a lot of shitty players yesterday.
But yeah, I let. I let, I let.
Jesus, take the wheel a little bit.
Yesterday it was quite fun. So Sig does take Lamar there at
5-10. That dream goes down.
But I I like the way we played this.
And getting another high upside wide receiver option here.
The chat chat's also reminded me that I took a shit ton of
Giovante and a shit ton of Bowers.
All my slows are right in that range and I was just hammering
those two guys. Let's see here.
So Anthony Richardson also comes off the board seeing some more
running backs. James Cook, Joe Mixon, Rashad
White, Aaron Jones from Andre Stevenson.
This is a super micro thing, but on FFPC just because it is ever
so slightly a boost in scoring format to the pocket passers
like you get more points for passing yardage.
I do, you know, that's, that's one of the reasons I'm willing
to push Lamar a little bit more because it's like I, I think
there might not be as large a difference between Lamar and
Stroud in this format. Gotcha.
I just yeah, that's a great point.
I I just went to the chat and saw that you you had the guy you
were saying you didn't want to say you put the chat was Bowers.
I thought I I mentioned him. I I I broke the the cardinal sin
of mentioning a name. I I mean, I knew he wasn't
getting back to us. It was a, you know, snowball's
chance in hell to get back to us at six O 9.
But I was I was thinking about him over Zay just cuz really
like once Bowers has gone here, it's like the last one that you
even really feel good about is kind of like Dallas Goddard.
And and then it starts to get very gross.
So like the guys in the 1-2 and three hole, two of them are
gonna be really sad. Two of them are gonna have teams
that that are just gonna have a really hard time competing
because of tight end. So I'm interested to see how the
rock fight shakes out there for. Who gets?
Are you pretty out on a Joku, I take it?
He's fine. I just think that like his where
he goes on FFPC is a little expensive relative to like what
he is compared to the the other guys that you can get.
So he's fine. Like what?
I mean, if I was one of the 1-2 or three hole, I'm certainly not
gonna turn my nose up at David and Joku when I'm in that spot.
So let's see, we had Terry Mclaurin go, Christian Kirk,
Chris Godwin, a lot of these bully tight end and running back
drafters swinging back to wide receiver here and there goes CJ
Stroud naked. It happens.
Unstacked. Yeah.
I mean, you're, you're, you're all, you know, steal on the
exterior. I'm gonna, I'm gonna feel it for
you. That was brutal.
Well, this makes me wonder, you know, with how much again,
looking at this tier of wide receiver, there's definitely
some wide receivers I like. I wonder if this would be like a
detour spot for like Kenneth Walker.
Just again, trying to think through of like if I just blast
off all of my wide receiver slots.
What do you guys think? Yeah, I mean, you'd be getting
him after like Aaron Jones and Romandre went the last turn.
He goes before those guys typically right over on Underdog
Mixing White. I like him in that group.
It seems like a good price relative to that stuff.
He's a he's a big ADP value here.
He does not go this late. The latest he's gone is pick 70.
So you know, just a spot after us.
So this is like one of the latest he's ever gone in the
entire tournament. So I would.
I think, I think that just feels good, 'cause I know I'm gonna,
I'm gonna like one of the wide receivers in the early 7th here.
It looks like what the only guy available with a higher ADP than
him was Kamera. It's still on the board.
That was a really nice value. I mean, if you think about the
structure too, as you were saying, like you already have a
lot of receivers you didn't want to just blast off all those
spots. Like getting that anchor like
dead zonie anchor back out of ADP value when he's actually a
profile you like is pretty nice for the build right?
Well, there goes Dallas Goddard. Yeah.
So best of luck to the one and three hole.
I'll be interested to see who's drafting Lucas Kroll of the two.
Yeah, I think Matt with Hertz in the fourth was praying Goddard.
When you said that about Goddard, I was like, I'm sure
he's hoping he gets him back. He.
Usually goes a little later than this but I'm not.
I would I would do it too if I was the two hole.
Yeah, four teams already have two, two tight ends.
Yeah, there's like a bunch of others that don't have any.
It's it's a wild, wild draft so far in that regard.
Imbalance. Tight end picking.
Yeah, now this, this starts to feel like a little bit of a, a
Wild West territory for for ADP stuff.
The good news is I think there's a couple really good values
still on the board. And now that Kamara is gone,
you're pretty much guaranteed to get one of these really good
picks. So that's all I yeah.
Kind of load up my queue here as.
I get the, I get to be the the voice of the chat and be like, I
wonder who those are 'cause I, I can't see behind the seats right
now. I'm like.
So Rashi Rice does go at this 6-7 turn to the one hole.
I miss the days where you used to be able to get Rashi in the
ninth and 10th round on FFPC. Yeah, man, he is just a
screamer. These days, Paul, I mean, it's
price never made any sense where it was gone.
Yeah, it was insane. We didn't even have confirmation
of suspension. So I would say my favorite guy
here is probably Jaden Reed. Do you see anything else on the
board here? I mean, a couple other names.
I think there's a chance they could come back.
That are pretty interesting. Yeah.
The other ones that are interesting can come back and
some of the other ones that I'm looking at that are interesting
don't open up a quarterback like Jaden Reid does.
And I think that's important for us because four of our picks
don't have quarterbacks attached to them that we can still draft.
So Reid is a a smash here. Yeah, one of my favorite clicks
on underdog. I like getting him here and
yeah, I'm I'm I'm really glad we're able to grab Walker there.
I think that this build just obviously we would have liked
the receiver there, but I think it would have just limited our
flexibility through some of these mid rounds.
Yeah, at this point, this is where I'm I'm probably pumping
the brakes on receiver, which is gonna be really painful next
round. We're gonna get it's gonna come
back to us. The best pick on the board is
gonna be a receiver and and we're gonna have to just watch
it go, but it'll pay off in the end.
I mean, even even if this room is more aggressive on some of
the really mispriced players, I think that we've got enough
people that are, you know, doing stuff like being really
aggressive on running back where there's still gonna be some wide
receiver value. We'll be happy to capitalize on
later. So the team here for our audio
listeners, Tyree Kill round one, Mark Andrews round two and then
we had three straight receivers, Nico digs, they flowers, the
Lamar and Stroud dream died there.
And then we grabbed Kenneth Walker and Jayden Reid to round
out the team. But with that tight end and win
that wide running back, we still have plenty of optionality here
in the chamber. I'm sorry, but the unstacked
Stroud pick still kind of tilting.
It's you're trying to win not just this league, but it's this
pros versus Joes contest. There's what like seven or eight
different leagues? You're trying to get the overall
top points. Shroud's a drop back passer.
If he is worth the sixth round price tag, you have to have Nico
Diggs or or Tank Dell and then you take Friday Muth over Dalton
Schultz right there. I mean, that's crazy.
Like you would have to take Dalton Schultz there to justify
it. In my opinion.
That guy's not winning the overall thing.
It's just there's not enough correlation.
There's all these other drafts where Stroud's gonna be picked
with one of his earlier receivers and if he is the full
season 5000 yard passer, like you want one of those receivers?
I just think it's AI. Don't.
Know we. And you kind of set your team up
there, not to pick on our drafter Scott here, but like
with Jefferson, Metcalf, Cooper in two early running backs, you
probably need to catch up at wide receiver and you have three
late quarterback options as well with that start.
That's right. But we're over it, right?
We're over it. We've moved on.
We've. Moved on.
You need to open your third eye and view Noah Brown as the wide
receiver that you need with the CJS.
Strategy back. Famously was was one of your
best weeks on the underdog dailies, right Pete?
I I remember drafting in some rooms with you seeing you do the
Noah Brown tank Dell stuff. Like man, I get scrolling down,
but what the heck is Pete doing with Noah Brown?
And then sure enough. Yeah, those were.
I mean, and the thing was there were weeks where you didn't even
have to do Noah Brown. You could just do Tank Dell and
Schultz, like because Nico would be drafted and everyone and
everyone was like 5% tank or whatever.
For people asking, yes, this is this is a basketball league.
Thank the Lord we're gonna have enough managed leagues to to
deal with here working on a summer Sunday.
I know you guys are so blessed. And like Gretsch said, if you
guys wanna watch his Pros versus Joes with Sean, that's gonna be
on the Stealing Signals YouTube tomorrow.
Jordan Love goes unstacked. That's a painful one.
It is, it does feel. Pain the 420 Express the. 420
Express. Gotta live a little.
I'm gonna get on the 420 Express if my quarterbacks keep again,
staying clear. Good chases.
So it is, yeah, for, for and it's like this is going back to,
I assume you alluded to another pick.
I believe when we took Zay, I'm guessing it was T about opening
up a Burrow selection like having Burrow in our pocket
right now. I, if I could go flip that just
for the quarterback option. I I I would right now.
Yeah. It was Bowers.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true.
Yeah. Bowers is the one I was alluding
to. And then when we got to Jaden
Reed, one of the ones I was alluding to, well, they they
actually both go. One of the ones I was alluding
to was savior worthy. The other one was Roma Doomsay.
So worthy without the quarterback, at Doomsay with the
quarterback. Yeah, the.
It's and JSN goes way higher than ADP here.
I actually realized after I said that I was the voice of the chat
that I have Pete's login, so I could just I, I what something I
have that the chat doesn't have is the ability to go look at
that. And you do have.
That queue, so I'm looking at the queue.
It's not, it's pretty picked through at receiver now.
I mean, it's not you were thinking Zach, there'd be a
clear pick here. I guess there's one.
I was hoping Worthy would come back.
I I thought he might. I I wasn't, I was wanting to say
anything. Him and JSN looked way down the
list by ADP, but they. There's there's a couple
receivers here still that are really appealing, but I would
not be taking them here. Yeah, I have.
Yeah, the two names I'm thinking, I mean, what what do
we think about the Jay and Daniel stuff like as far as
getting a quarterback for this team?
I was, I was gonna say try to push Jayden Daniels around the
turn, but I was gonna say that in the chat so that we didn't
have to say Jayden Daniels out loud.
The other one that I would consider would be Jonathan
Brooks. Here that's that's the name,
man. I do like it, but it's full
season points, it's not back weighted production, it's full
season points. Score right and I.
Think. I think it's probably fine
though. I mean this is still.
If he's still down the stretch, he's still a really useful piece
to a best ball build because your figure in your running
backroom actually starts to get some.
If you're if you're really worried about it, then we take
Daniels here first 'cause there's a couple other R BS that
I like. You know you're worried about
the back waiting. What it I'm I guess I'm not as
much I'm more trying to think who has the best chance of
coming back and I just I don't know what this three drafter,
this three drafter can do anything.
The the thing like the lamdrafter still has DAC.
Oh well, now. He doesn't unstacked and then
Brooks goes, Brooks is a nice pick in in, in best ball.
I've taken him in the marathon over an underdog.
I, I, I kind of probably shouldn't have said that 'cause
I think it layers in really nicely actually, 'cause you're
expecting some attrition with your other running backs.
They give you early season points.
He gives you back weighted. There's almost like a a pro to
him not really playing a lot early on, right?
Like you, you're like, you're gonna get usable weeks down the
stretch. That's great.
That's that's actually something that is hard to to lock in from
most running back builds. Yep, yeah, man, I guess yeah, if
I know, if I know that drafter snap picks Dak, then maybe the
Hurts and Mahomes guys aren't. But I guess I I have a hard time
profiling what teams are gonna do in this this format.
Like I don't I think. Daniels.
Is a couple. Yeah, I think Daniels is a very
good pick. Yeah, very good pick.
It way definitely, yeah, it alleviates a bunch of our our
pain in this room, which was, Oh no, we don't have a great
ability to get a good stat quarterback.
And way different, Yeah, exactly way different than the strata
conversation. He's not a drop back passer.
He's going to score through rushing.
You don't have like his forward momentum for a huge season.
Doesn't have to include a receiver necessarily.
He could have he could throw for 3800 yards and be the QB one if
if he ends up rushing for like 1200 yards, which he could do
right away, it wouldn't be that crazy.
Yeah, so wow, the so Naji goes as does TJ Hawkinson at the 8-9.
That's the one hole scrambling for a tight end.
Brandon Cooks comes off the board here.
So there is the name that Gretsch mentioned in the chat.
But I do I kind of like I do like Zach Moss here, I think a
good bit. And again, if we keep if the
thought is we're going to continue to like some of these
wide receivers available, I think getting a second running
back feels good. Yeah, I really like Zach Moss
here. I think that puts you in a
pretty strong position. Yeah.
So our past 2 picks, Jane Daniels and Zach Moss.
So we have two running backs, Moss and Walker.
We got our one quarterback, Jane Daniels, our one tight end, Mark
Andrews, and still our five wide receivers, Tyree Kill, Nico
Collins, Digs Flowers and Jaden Reed.
I've been clicking Moss a lot more than the last couple days
in that range that all my sloves are in and I don't want to
because I don't think he's particularly good.
I don't think it's efficiency metrics last year are super
helpful because I felt like he had a couple long runs, couple
big plays, couple moments that were like you or I could have
ran through it through these holes basically like he was not
explosive. And yet I do feel very confident
the Bengals are going to have running back points.
And if Chase Brown's not it and I'm taking plane in Chase Brown
too, Zac Moss at this price, like if he just gets a lot of
work, Joe Mixon never added anything efficiency wise, right?
Like if Joe Mixon at this price would be going, people were
saying Joe Mixon the last few years was way underpriced in the
five six round range. You're getting Zach Moss in the
9th if he gets anything like the Joe Mixon workload.
Feels really, really nice. Yeah, he's probably a little bit
worse as a player than Joe Mixon was, you know, two years ago
when people were saying he's underpriced in the 5-6 range.
But it's like, OK, and he's we just took him in the 9th, so it
seems fair. It seems great, Brock Pretty
coming off basketball. Brian Thomas was another name we
were kind of floating around. He goes to Theo there.
That was a great pick. He would have been nice too to
keep to open up Lawrence, Brian Robinson comes off the board,
Devin Singletary and Jamison Williams.
So the I wouldn't say this draft is breaking perfectly, but I
feel pretty strong with this team so far.
I think for the curve balls that you got tossed, you're you're
hitting pretty well here, so. Yeah, yeah.
I think the, I really the, the suggestion, I think, I think
getting the, the Mark Andrews and the Kenneth Walker there
have made this feel less like we had, you know, there's versions
where this is like A0RB team that like absolutely needs those
quarterbacks to get unlocked because then we don't have wide
receiver spots to build out more backdoor stacks.
And now we actually have that still.
Let's see every every team except team eight has at least
one quarterback, Stacey. No quarterbacks, although with
Evan Ingram there she seems like a candidate for Lawrence.
I mean, I gotta say, this hasn't fallen to you in any kind of
perfect way. No, but your team looks really
good Despite that. You you have a really nice
balance right now through 9 rounds.
You got a QB that you like, you got a tight end that you like,
you got 2 running backs, 5 receivers.
I think that makes a lot of sense through 9 rounds, a lot of
different directions you can go. Zach, in this spot, when you
have Jane Daniels, how many times are do you have a 2QB
versus 3QB team this year? More often do I get to three QB
than I would have last year, but it's really just a byproduct of
the landscape where there are a lot of late quarterback options
that have a legitimate ceiling in my opinion to where I'm I'm
adding them not as a third QB to make me feel safer to build for
floor. It's a a player that's there to
add ceiling to my roster. So it's definitely a different
dynamic than last season. Last season I was a pretty
strong proponent of really just taking two quarterbacks in
almost every build. And that was even when I was
doing guys like, hey, I'm taking Sam Howell and Jordan Love and
those are my two quarterbacks, so that's fine.
Which worked out OK last year, but this year there's just more
guys going late that I I really like.
So I'm willing to toss those ones on as a pure upside play.
Yeah, I'm looking at the board now.
I'm not seeing there's, I guess there's one interesting wide
receiver name, kind of a flat tier of running backs.
I do. I do like the I think the two to
stack up with Tyreek Hill makes a decent amount of sense.
I mean, Shouf out of the two has been sniping me a ton.
He already has Waddle. There's a really good chance
Tua's not coming back around. I mean, do you guys see any
opportunity cost to to taking Tua here?
There's there's a player, but I think you're fine.
I think there's a couple things that you can do around the turn.
You're you're not gonna miss. There's gonna be a good pick
otherwise after the turn. So I think you take Tua here and
then we're very comfy sitting on 2 quarterbacks and then we are
in the position where a third is a pure luxury for sealing.
I mean, you probably just gave up Javonte Williams, which was
probably the biggest mistake you could have made.
We don't want to say Javonte Williams out loud.
Gretch, I don't know. You're in on him, too.
Everyone's telling me he's a bad pick over the last few days.
He's he's maybe like my third or fourth highest drafted running
back. I got.
I got a gang of Javante. There we go.
I the the best news that I saw all week was the article from
someone that just was postulating that Javante may be
cut in favor of Samaj AP Ryan. I I wanted to share that one
with everyone that I. Could give you.
So I got back. That was yesterday.
Apparently yesterday morning while I was golfing, I got back
drunk, got on stream and had like staff and all these people
on my chat telling me that Javante is going to get cut.
And it was not, not a fun, a fun moment.
But I kept drafting him. They were like, we we're gonna
have an intervention. You had the the alcohol clarity
to know that that report was fault.
No, yeah, I it's what was it's like Troy Rennick or whatever
his name is Denver B report. And he it was like, it's just
speculation. He was.
Seemed like a pretty wild take, but.
It was one of those, hey, guys, wouldn't this be crazy if this
happens? Yeah, my column.
My column, yeah, Steph's right. She was saying that I should
wait on him. I was reaching and I was like,
Nope, I'm just going to blow through all the stuff, all the
red lights and just keep taking him ahead of ADP.
Yeah, if I if I had CJ Stroud, this would probably be a pretty
good place to take Dalton Schultz.
It'd be a great, it'd be a great spot to take Schultz.
I think the other one you could justify would be Commet who I'm
like, I just recently got a little more scared of taking,
but it's tight in premium and it's getting getting dicey and
beggars can't be choosers. He also doesn't have a week 14
by where Schultz does so. The profile is really strong on
Comet. I'll say the advanced metrics,
the per outrun stuff actually was a lot better last year than
I think he gets credit for. People are really concerned
about Gerald Everett, but what if Gerald Everett's bad?
Pat actually told me yesterday when he came on the stream that
Gerald Everett kind of quietly was another guy put on the NFI
list. He did go on NFI, yeah.
Yeah, people are really confident that Comet's not gonna
get enough work. And like his profile in and of
itself is pretty strong. So I I think you have to be
pretty confident that you have the read of volume correct.
Yeah, I like this. I think there's like one or two
tight ends that could be in our back pocket late.
That makes sense for this team, but doesn't preclude us.
I mean, do you, do you have any teams where you've done like a
four tight end build with say similar draft capital that we've
spent so far? Yeah, I'd definitely stop at 4
here, but you can stop at 4:00 or you can stop at 3.
It's just like the be willing to take the Titan if that's the
best player available. One of the cool things about
FFPC as a format is the two flex spots actually really open up
what you can do from a roster construction standpoint and have
it still be good. There's just a lot less you can
do on underdog. That's that's good.
You know, like there's, you know, you can, you can get
flexible. There's there's lots of viable
builds. But when you are on FFPC, there
are a ton of viable builds. Like you could end up with a
hyper fragile running back room with just four on this and end
up with something like 5 tight ends and three quarterback.
You know, like you can. You can have some really strange
looking constructions here and have them still be good.
So when this Scott guy out of the seven hole took Stroud and
then took Fryermuth, and I'd say took Fryermuth over Schultz,
doesn't Schultz go ahead of Fryermuth on an underdog or am I
just crazy? He does, but on FFPC he does not
FFPC loves Pat Fryermuth. I don't know exactly why it it
may just be more of a, you know, he he's a real lunch pail type
guy. And so it's more on brand here.
But yeah, Fryermuth. Does go 4 rounds after Fryermuth
on on FFPC? That's crazy.
Yeah, this Schultz wasn't ADP value here.
He usually goes around pick one O 5.
So he's actually a pretty, pretty substantial value here.
I'm pretty surprised three didn't take him, honestly. 33
needed to jump on that like it was a gift because it was.
But I mean, good, good on 7 for capitalizing.
Anytime you can stack up Keon Coleman and Khalil Shakur at the
turn when you don't have Josh Allen, I mean, how to make that
happen? Eckler finally comes off the
board. He was a big, big faller by ADP.
Yeah, this this next pick seems like it's probably gonna land in
a in a sweet spot for running back, but we shall see.
Stack typing in the private chat is so loud on the mic.
I'll I'll have to mute Mike next time I decide to type away.
Well, all the guys I'm putting in the private chat are just
going right off the board, I typed.
Charbonnet would be a smash if he doesn't make it.
We can do must wave and be done at three tight ends here.
So. I'm just jinxing all of the pics
that I want. Yeah, I was gonna say, I mean
like Charbonnay with with Walker, I think it's just what?
But getting that huge ADP value there just locks up that entire
backfield that we know is gonna be fully condensed.
Yeah, Charbonnay, like 20 picks past ADP was what I was
interested in. Yeah.
I mean, I, I didn't think he would make it back to us, but he
he just kept sliding like maybe people in this room just don't
like him, but. Yeah, you know, he's still on
the board. Sacrilegious.
I don't think we need him, actually.
That's when we should say his name.
We want someone to take him. Yeah.
Jerry. Judy still available.
Yep. All right.
Let's play a game. How much Jerry Judy do I have?
Jerry Judy. So much so that I want to get
through the bottom of. How much Jerry Judy do I have
through 1100 drafts across? Every site across every site.
Yeah. I think you've you've taken him
like twice. What do you think, Gretch?
23 times. Let's see.
Yeah, it's right about 23. I got like 5%.
Jerry, Judy So. Wow, fake Jerry Judy hater in
the light of night. Wait, you said 1100, so that
would be 22. I almost nailed that.
Yeah, yeah. That's that's almost.
That's very eerie, Gretch. You got the Jerry Judy comfort
blanket on? Well, because he is a good play.
I know that you're smart enough to recognize that you have an
irrational personal hate of a player.
That's also a good play. I think he's bad, but I also
think that the cost that I'm having to pay for a bad player
is is fine given is. Affordable enough to get 5%.
I have to do it too. Sometimes it's not fun.
All right. We are coming up here on our
12th round pick. Our past couple picks have been
Cole, Commet and Tua. We see three tight ends come off
the board, including one that would have been a stack partner
for us, Johnny Smith. Zeke now comes off the board.
I have a running back I'm eyeing here guys.
Hell yeah, I would run to the podium for him.
You put him in the queue, right? Yeah, I was thinking Kendra
Miller. I doubt this drafter is going to
take a running back here with Three and Gus, but you never
know. You like Kendra here, Zach.
Yeah, Kendra. Kendra is definitely a good fit
for the team. We need running back.
We definitely could could use running backs with good upside,
which Kendra has. I like he's one of the players
that I've kind of gone back and forth.
On that's the other one I was. Looking at all but.
He did go running back. Kendra he he's definitely a
scary click, but we. You really had to think through
it. It was so scary that you took
him a 2. Seconds.
Well, I was kind of triggered because I was like, I don't
think this person is going to select A running back.
And then they took Jalen Wright. So he they left Jedre but still
took and and Jalen Wright would have been a nice fit for our
team with. The stack right with the two
thing I was going to mention, he's the other one that I would
have definitely considered there.
Yeah. I mean just looking he had about
his ADP is like 10 picks later. So I would have thought if we
were able to get both, he he grabbed Kendre first, but.
There's a lot of concern around Kendre and I get it, but I still
think if you have a 21 year old rookie going into age 22 season,
had the profile he had and has the competition he has that you,
you know, from an anti fragile perspective, you would expect
things to break in his favor throughout the season.
For sure, and that's that's why I've been clicking.
I think I'm at like 13 or 14% Kendre.
I, I just, I had probably close to 40% last year and like at
this point through last season, I had around 40% Kendre.
Like definitely a couple Toyota Corolla's worth of Kendre last
year. So this is, you know, not not
fully PTSD off Kendre, but but yeah, I'm still clicking and
just wanting to really for me, it's what if the answer on the
Saints is none of the above? That's the thing that I'm scared
of. I think Kamara could be really
bad. I think we know what Jamal
Williams is, and it's just if Kendra is not it, it might just
be that none of these guys is a good pick.
Do much, Yeah. Especially with with Ramchek
missing the season, that's pretty, pretty scary.
So since we picked Noah Fan comes off the board, Jacoby
Myers, Matthew Stafford, Hunter Henry.
Seeing the tight ends that have all come off the board so
quickly after Komet sure makes him look like a strong pick.
And Oh my goodness. So yeah, another running back
here. Ty Chandler looking good.
Yeah, I'm super excited to get Ty Chandler here.
Feel like he fits really well for what we need.
Yeah, there's nothing. I mean, there's a couple wide
receiver guys. Couple rookie running backs you
could maybe consider but Chandler's AI mean a good pick
for sure. Yeah, Ty Chandler, his ADP is at
1:37. So this is what pick number are
we at here? And we're past 140. 8147, yeah.
So almost 10 picks past ADP in a in a starved running backroom.
I think that makes sense. We get Ty Chandler, and now he's
Kenneth Walker, Zach Moss, Kendra and Ty.
He's weirdly undervalued. There's something that has come
up a few spots as I've gone through projections that I think
is worth emphasizing. And I don't think it's talked
about enough. And it's just the idea of like
depth chart depth, right? Like behind Ty Chandler, all
they have right now is Kanen Wong Woo who was a special teams
during college. I don't think he ever had 100
touches and offensive touches in in college season.
Everyone wanted him to be something last year.
He's just an athletic. Special teams are probably
Dwayne McBride who they had last year didn't use Miles Gaskin who
they had off and on kept cutting and bringing back last year
didn't use they had Todd Chandler had all those guys they
played him ahead, all those guys they brought in Aaron Jones.
I feel very confident Todd Chandler's the RB2 and I think
he's going to have some stand alone value.
But as far as contingent value, like a lot of times we get the
handcuffs wrong and I don't think people talk enough about
when the RB3 is like this. The other spot that I've been
thinking a lot about this with is the Rams.
Like I think Blake Quorum is like kind of being slept on.
People are scared of Chiron, but Quorum still just kind of floats
in like this area where if we're scared of Chiron and Quorum
could actually have standalone value.
He's definitely the handcuff because they still only have
Ronnie Rivers, Zach Evans. They brought up Boston Scott.
Another special teams are if Chiron goes down, I think Koran
plays the 90% of snaps that Chiron was playing last year.
Like there's just no one like last year when Chiron went down,
they went to Daryl Henderson and and and Royce Freeman, right?
Like, so these spots where there's a really clear divide
between the RB2 and the RB3, I think it's a big bump for the
RB2's overall profile. Yeah.
And that, I mean, I, I kind of extend that to like, if you're
looking at the Chief situation, it's like the third running back
that the Chiefs are going to carry is a guy who's going to be
doing kickoffs for them. And I don't mean playing special
teams. I mean, he's literally going to
be the guy that is kicking the ball off.
Because kickers will take more contact with the new kickoff
rules. And that is one of the things
that they thought Luis Reiss to meet could bring to the team
that, hey, this guy plays rugby. He can kick and he can tackle.
That's gonna be great for us with the new special teams
rules. So the guy you have to worry
about jumping CEH on the depth chart is the kicker.
So like, it's good. Don't.
You like? But yeah, I think that's a great
point, Ben. And, and listening to you talk
about Quorum on, on one of your recent shows you did with Sean
got me to, I mean, I was never, I never stopped clicking him,
but now I'm just clicking him with a little more fervor.
Yeah, Yeah, I have been lately too after talking with Sean,
talking with Leone in the projection spot, I just, I left
that conversation and I don't think I said it enough on that
projection spot, but I left that conversation like I got to get
more quorum. It's just.
Yeah, I think you guys got the point of like any running back
going in that 0 running back pocket, if the starter ahead of
them got hurt, which running back would actually jump the
most And like it it is definitely I love that point
about Quorum. Like he, he probably just
literally backfills Kyron's ADP because Kyron has been a a proxy
for starting ramps running back himself, right?
Like I, I, I wouldn't be surprised if that's how they the
market handled that. I mean, but Ty's another good
example of the same thing on I mean, not necessarily with Aaron
Jones, but if Aaron Jones were out, I think Ty goes just as
high. Like I mean, who's who's coming
for Ty on the Vikings roster, the Chiefs roster sack.
We got to be worried about Cadarius.
Tony, I don't know if you've been here in the news today.
Yeah, that one. I I am not that scared about
Kedarius Tony getting any kind of meaningful snaps in the 2024
season. The Chiefs are in like the save
face mode of that trade for Kedarius Tony, where you have to
like, no, no, we still got something for him.
We definitely have plans. Such a fun trade though.
God, remember, I mean it, it wasn't even, it wasn't that far
removed from his whatever like 14 target game or something, or
he was just, I mean, he was it. I sold him for a haul in
Dynasty. So it seems like the pendulum's
probably swinging back to wide receiver here.
There's a couple, there's multiple rookies, there's some
ADP followers. So no one has no one's seriously
taking Jerry Judy yet. Jerry, Judy.
That's hilarious. Oh.
We're gonna have to take stupid Jerry Judy.
I mean, having that guy, I mean AD Mitchell goes, I mean, look
at so Judy's ADP is 144 and we're now what, almost two
rounds past that? Yeah, we're almost at 168.
It's Judy. Or like Mike.
I mean, if you could. Talk.
Oh my God, it's stupid. Cherry, Judy, It's.
Judy, it's so Judy. Judy should be going ahead like
Cherry Game here, Yeah. This is I mean.
Having sack on to rubber stamp the Jerry Judy time.
To grab that he has. I I this click feels so good.
One of one of my biggest, one of my biggest regrets was the, I
think like the very first show that I ever did on shift chasing
airwaves. We were doing a main event draft
and we're sitting there, it's like the 4-5 turn and everyone's
so excited about Jerry Judy. And I really wanted to say this
guy sucks, don't take him. But I was trying to be
agreeable. I was like, Jerry Judy seems
good to me, guys. And he just went on to torpedo
our squad. And I I'll never never let it
down, just set it with my chest. Well, so it's different in the
1415. Yeah, yes, Yes, it is.
It was, it was a great pick here.
Like I, you know, as much as I want to pretend that it was
painting me to click Jerry Judy like that was a smash, so.
That was a great pick. I it I didn't.
He honestly should be before the wide receiver window close
closes. In my opinion, he should be
going like the eighth or ninth round in this type of format.
I mean, you, you, I think, are our competitors watching?
Did they just say, hey, we could just keep pushing Judy?
We could just keep pushing Judy. There's no way these guys take
them. I'm surprised this entire room
was on board with the Judy slide.
The only thing that would have made that better with having
Sack on is if we had a Jerry Judy clip somehow.
I've been, I've been putting out a, you know, there's a bounty
for if someone will make a Jerry Judy ship chasing clip, but it's
all Jerry Judy drops and him quitting on routes specifically.
I think it God, I can't remember what week it was.
I'll go back and find it. I've got I've got notes on it,
but there's a couple really good ones from last year where Jerry
Judy just stops playing football during a football play.
And I need those in there. But if you make that I'll I'll
get you ABBM entry or two. So someone you said I got notes
on it. I just envisioned that that
scene from Billy Madison where Steve Buscemi's like got his
kill list, like sucks, sucks, Jerry, Judy, like I, these are
all the things he's done wrong with.
It's fantastic. So after we picked Judy.
So we have Tyreke, Nico, Digs, flowers, Read and Judy.
Well, now you can. Use a third quarterback if you
want. Him.
Yep. There's also Algier.
Looks like a slight ADP value and then we start to get into
some of the rookie wide receivers as well.
I don't know if we can maybe push one of those guys though.
My yeah here I would I would be pretty squarely Algier or Polk
and it really just depends on how much you like Drake May.
The other name I would float is Bucky Irving, 'cause I think
this room, we saw Kamani Videl go a little higher than ADP.
He's a little lower here, but lower than he is on underdog.
He's in the Algier range. I mean, he's ahead of Roshan and
stuff on Underdog, I guess. I don't know.
And the truth is, is probably none of these guys we've
mentioned are coming back. Right.
And I actually prefer Bucky to Algier is kind of the point I'm
making. But I could see taking Algier
for sure. I do.
Are we worried with this room? Kenneth Walker, Zach Moss?
Henry Miller, Ty Chandler? It does feel like a running back
is probably better just thinking about like the positional runs
and how much it dries up after this.
The question I do love you. Have a lot of options for your
QB 3. You can.
There's some stuff you can do with QB three later.
I wouldn't worry about it right here.
Yeah, I do love Bucky, but I kind of feel like just value
hounding Algier here. We also are like in the spot of
the draft where normally you're taking Dijon.
I I kind of, I'm gonna grab Algier here and see.
I mean, just anecdotally in my underdog rooms, Bucky has been a
big faller lately. Like I've gotten him at like 195
sometime. So I don't know, maybe a smaller
chance he comes back. There's like a tiny bit of
negative buzz on Bucky that I don't think is like anything
super material, but it was just like.
What was it? God, let me find the the guy.
The that's another guy where the RB2 RB three thing I just talked
about is very clear to me. They didn't add anyone.
They have a couple UDFAS. They kept Jace Edmonds and Sean
Tucker, who couldn't beat out Rashad White last year when
Rashad White was like really poor rushing the football.
Yeah. And then they took Bucky Irving
ahead of a lot of these other like day three backs.
Like there were a few obviously that went on Day 2, but running
backs go later these days. I don't think we've adjusted as
a fantasy landscape enough for the fact that round four capital
is actually somewhat meaningful at running back.
It's gotten more meaningful just in the past decade.
And so a lot of the studies aren't going to show you that
yet. But there have been some hits in
the early, Like Algier himself was a round four pick that was a
first year hit. Ramondre Stevenson was a round
four pick that was a first year hit.
There's a bunch of these examples, I've mentioned them on
other streams recently, but if Bucky's good and his his
production was a lot better than his actual testing.
But if he's good, he's definitely better than the other
RB2 candidates and he may out. I mean he also then has this
fragile starter that is not a very good runner.
He's a good. But we're going to, for the sake
of jinxing, we're going to stop talking about players who are
still. So our team, we got two
quarterbacks, Jane Daniels and Tua.
We're up to five running backs now.
Kenneth Walker, Zach Moss, Kendra Miller, Ty Chandler and
Tyler Algier got the six wide receivers, Tyree Kill, Nico
Collins, Stefan Diggs, Zayflowers, Jayden Reid in the
Alpha Hammer play, Jerry Judy, and then two tight ends, Mark
Andrews, Cole Comet. So like structurally we're in a,
we're in a good spot right now. I should mention that I'm beg
defending hella hard. Bucky's like my highest own
player. I, I have a lot of Bucky too,
Gretsch and I, I'm just like, I'm starting to just chill a
tiny bit just 'cause I have so much of him and I want to take
the other backs that go around him that are like, I have way
more Bucky than I have Ray Davis.
And it's like, are they really that, I mean, they're different
in that Ray Davis has a better running back ahead of him, but
he's also on a better offense, so.
Yeah, but we could. We could chat about another
player. Stop talking about the.
Board, I was trying to, I was trying to FUD him a little bit
there. Yeah, it didn't work.
This Dodelex message like really kind of gave me some PTSDA hit
me. He said if Bucky sucks, Rashad
really is going to be a smash again, huh?
And I was like, yeah, I mean, that's the only thing standing
between it because there's nothing else on that depth
chart. Like that's the other way you
can read it is if Bucky really isn't it, then it's just Rashad
White all like 2023 all over again.
So some of the ADP, Mike Williams was a big ADP faller.
Couple rookies go at the turn, Troy Franklin and Jalen Polk
and Deshaun Watson did come off the board as well.
So that Judy Stack is gone as far as like quarterback stuff
though too. You know, Kendre, there's Derek
Carr, we can do Minnesota stuff with Ty Chandler.
I'm not feeling like completely up against the wall there for QB
3. But yeah, Mims and Franklin both
going so and Polk all going right in this gap is really
annoying as far as, I mean the favorite ways to do it.
But you're right, there's a lot of ways to get there.
Yeah, Bo Nix comes off the board here.
Weird. Unstacked.
He's good.
Yeah, McLaughlin. But no Cortland Sutton on that
roster either? That's odd.
Yeah. So looking at, I know we have
flexibility with the flexes, but with four picks left.
Wow, McCaffrey went way ahead of AAP.
Jeez. That's OK Naked Jayden Daniels
is something I am never that concerned about honestly.
Yeah. We're definitely getting one
more quarterback, definitely getting one more tight end,
couple more receivers and one more running back probably.
Yeah, for the tight ends, I think at this point you just
dare the room to prove to you that they know who the actual
correct players are to click down here because most of them
are just bad picks. And so I just, I just like make
the room show me that they actually know who to click here.
I I take Drake May here 100 times out of 100 because there's
no other. You ain't getting another good
third quarterback that you can stack so.
I definitely wouldn't take my hump times out of 100 feet.
If you're not. If you're not sold, I don't even
think I'd take him 50 times out of 100.
I'm looking at the. Full season points thing.
I'm legit concerned Drake May doesn't start till mid season.
Like, but we have, we have Daniel's intua though is, is the
thing. So this is this is for our
upside. We're not taking this third
quarter like, yeah, also the most recent report at a Patriots
camp is that the beat, one of the beat reporters that I think
is, is one of the most plugged in guys has Drake May pegged as
a 35% chance to start week one, which when he was writing the
article, I'm sure he was writing it as, hey, everyone, just
beware, this guy's probably not starting.
But when Yeah, I read it, I'm like 35%.
Oh, maybe. Yeah, well, we we grabbed Drake
May. Here I was, I was eyeing like
all of these rookie wide receivers, you know, the, the
Polk, McCaffrey Leget was a huge ADP follower there.
So that kind of stung. Leget one in the 16th round.
Yeah, I mean, yeah, Leget, AD, Mitchell, both of those guys
just go criminally late usually on FFPC.
Like I just had a draft where I think I took, I took AD in the
17th round I think at like 17 O 4.
He went 14 here. But yeah, Theo sniped up both of
those. And Brian Thomas, he's been
grabbing some of those guys that are just followers on from other
platforms. Unfortunately you've been doing
a bit where you name players who have already been drafted.
Is that what you're doing? It's.
Not a very fun bet. Jerry Judy, Draft Jerry Judy
again. Yeah, Braylon Allen would have
been a nice one there if he came back.
Yeah, the tight end is just a wasteland right now.
There's a couple that are are clickable in my opinion, but
most of them aren't and and I think just probabilistically, if
the room takes one, they're probably going to take one that
I think is a bad click. And so I would just.
I usually prioritize these the least.
Yeah. But is there something to
prioritize for if you don't have a clear other pick you know?
Yeah, I I think that there's a couple good ones here.
I would make a pitch for estimate.
I always like taking him in this range personally, but I don't
know. I mean, if you have some other
ones that you really like, I'm curious.
I mean, I feel yeah, Braylon gone.
I mean, Ricky Pierce all shouldn't go this late.
Oh, that's weird. So there's that.
Yeah, but you also know for building out the back stack with
man. That's what I was, that's what I
was gonna say. You might, you might just say
I'm actually good at receiver. I'm just gonna take Javon Baker.
You also can pass on Baker knowing that you're fine.
There's there's three viable Patriots receivers here.
So you could also take one of the running backs that I think
are good picks here. Like I think CEH is a really
good pick. Deonta Foreman's a really good
pick. And there's a couple others that
you can push later as well. I I I think I like the estimate
call. You can't leave this draft
without a rookie running back. That's that's the key running
back or a Broncos running back. You just checked two important
boxes. We got our buddy Sack, who's an
absolute genius is touting clatter towards the lair and
Deonta Freeman, who are two corpses over getting some rookie
youth on your build. I, I don't know what's
happening, man. I I had a a different rookie
that I prefer for this one that I think we can get later, but
we'll we'll see if he makes it back to us.
That's, I mean, that's at least intriguing.
Yeah, we're intriguing. The Deonte Foreman, there's like
7. That's a team that does not have
a clear RB3. There's beats that have said
that. Pierre Strong is definitely
making the team for special teams and he got usage last
year. I think Foreman probably makes
it, but I think when Nick Chubb comes back he's the obvious cut
because Naheem Hynes is probably their kick returner too.
But they're probably going to keep 4 running backs, Chubb on
PUP and then when Chubb comes back, Heinz and Strong are
playing special teams and Deonte Foreman's gone.
But this is a total points cumulative scoring league.
So Foreman, this is the best format.
Yeah. This is the best format to click
Foreman, in my opinion. That's true.
And I think I think you have like probably a greater than
1015% chance that Nick Chubb doesn't play meaningful snaps
this season, you know? Yeah.
I just have been very anti deonte foreman this year so.
He's just, he's just so free. He's so free.
And I mean, they they gave Kareem Hunt a lot of valuable
touches last year. And I don't think that he's as
good of a player as Deonte Foreman is so.
Yeah, Foreman is good. They have a lot of good running
backs. That's.
What I mean the Browns. The Browns also do like the
Browns do care about like their running backs being good too.
You know, like they didn't play Pierre Strong last year because
they're like, this guy's not that good.
You know, they that's why they played Cream Hunt because they
were like, well, he's better than this guy.
Like they do, they do care about people being good, which is
different. Some some teams really don't
care about that. I think the Browns care.
Strong did get 68 touches last year.
It was pretty solid. It was 68 though.
Yeah, so Javon Baker goes. That's a bummer.
Otherwise, nothing. Yeah, and Deonte Foreman did go
as well in this round. We got three more picks left.
Luckily, the Patriots are just a fucking rushing nesting doll of
of wide receivers. So you can't you can't take them
all. You could try, but there will
still be a few left. Yeah, you're probably probably
one of each scale position to close it out.
Here is what I would think. Yeah, we need to find a tight
end. Yeah, Chad says Foreman's the
goal line back, hands down. I just, I don't know where, like
where we can be certain about that with Jerome Ford there too.
They paid Foreman nothing. They just like gave him a little
camp invite. I don't know.
I haven't drafted Foreman once. So again, beg defending.
I think he's undraftable. So.
I mean, if, if Foreman is undraftable, then doesn't that
make Ford like giga undraftable because he's going a lot more
expensive and he's he's probably not that much better than
Foreman. Like he wasn't he wasn't good
last year. You already saw you got the
literal nut outcome for Jerome Ford and it was so why?
Why would you ever? It's just like Dawn to Foreman
is like Jerome Ford arbitrage where you're still getting to
bet on a bad outcome for Nick Chubb and you're getting to bet
on a good offensive line. That's kind of the way that I
view Foreman. Teams care about like, you know,
the scheme and like, they gave him two, they gave Ford 250
touches last year. Like that's the reason that
Ford's better. I'm not taking the.
They had they had no other option, you know, like the other
option was Kareem Hunt, which they did go to for a substantial
amount of high value touches. Like they were down bad.
Like if you had called the Browns and you're like, I'm in
fight and shape, they would have been like show up.
What are you looking at, Pete? I'm I'm thinking here as I, as I
wait to say it to, to get my heart broken.
I'm thinking running back, random tight end, random
Patriots wide receiver. That's the order I would do it
in as well. So I was thinking Shipley here
and then we can figure out tight end in the next one.
Yep, think that's good. Makes sense?
Got to get out ahead of Sean's article that came out over the
weekend calling him potentially the next Alvin Kamara.
Shipley, I took so much Shipley in the in the big board in the
pre draft. I love that profile.
We were talking about him on stealing bananas a lot.
And then he lands with Jalen Hurts and I'm just like, I mean,
we did this with DeAndre Swift. Like, yeah, they're going to
throw to the backs a little bit more.
And DeAndre Swift always earned targets at a really high rate
with the Lions. And then suddenly there's just,
I mean, Hertz just is a mobile quarterback that reads downfield
and then scrambles. He's not a guy that's going to
throw to the backs a lot. And it's tough to be the next
Alvin Kamaro with Jalen Hurts. Yeah.
I also just think of it too like if you are like full fading or
close to full fading Barkley, like how does that go wrong
other than, you know, like and if it does, I mean, Shipley has
to be a pretty big beneficiary. For sure.
Yeah, I, I had he was one of my highest drafted running backs in
the pre NFL draft contest. I think I was over like 20% on
him 'cause he was going undrafted or in the last round
purely just for the pass catching profile.
I was hoping he'd land somewhere where he could get that work.
Lands on the Eagles, which probably was not a a great
landing spot for him, but he got decent draft capital.
The only, the only pushback I have at all on John's thesis on
him is he did get dusted by a true freshman at Clemson.
Like he was not the best running back on the team very, very
clearly. And that's why he left.
That's why he declared for the NFL, because he was not going to
be the running back there anymore.
So the talent is is a little questionable, but I think he's
still a great pick. I mean, I I click Jatavian
Sanders in 18 round drafts accord occasionally he seems by
by far the best when Zach Ertz, Hayden Hurst, Greg Dulcic and
Daniel Bellinger are coming off the board right now.
For the listeners at home, these are the other tight ends in the
queue just by their default rank, Tyler Higbee, Theo
Johnson, Donald Parham, Gerald Everett, Lucas Kroll, Noah Gray,
Will Disley and Jared Wiley. So I guess this is a Jatavian
Sanders pick. I mean, mayor's the only other.
Oh, Mayor West. Yeah, that was, of those five
tight ends that went previously, the only one I, I would
occasionally consider Bellinger, but probably not.
I was clicking Theo Johnson before he went on PUP, but I
just didn't worry. You know, Titan's usually a
position that's kind of slow to start anyway, and then you're
gonna miss some a camp. Like that's just, that's
something where I, I wanna wait now to have a little more
information before I'm gonna start clicking Theo Johnson
again. So I guess you can do the
Bellinger thing if you're saying you know the logical conclusion
of it being bad for I. Went after your pick.
I just googled him, never heard that one.
I don't know who he is. Dylan Dylan Holker.
Don't know what team he's on. I should know.
He went to Colorado State in my backyard growing up.
I literally don't know what team he's on.
Who? Plays for the Saints also went
to BIU. BYU6 foot four 236 LB tight end
Saints made a hefty investment in rookie free agent Damon Holt.
OK so on UDFA terms that gave him like 100K instead of?
50 He has hefty investment on UDFA dirt.
What are we? What are we doing?
I mean, he's, he's in a world of hurt at tight end.
He has Jake Ferguson, Mike Kasicki, no one else.
Like he's, he's drowned. There's a couple people drowning
at tight end in this room. Like, yeah, but like.
Go draft like Robert Tunyon or something.
At least Robert Tunyon's gonna play half the year while TJ
Hawkinson's coming back. Or you.
Know the the commit pick is aging very nicely when you just
kind of look at the tear breaks and then this blitz here like
not feeling quite as panic to chase like a Dawson knocks into
the 17th or whatever feels feels nice.
Up I mean, so I hope this Dallin Hulker guys good for for this
dude's sake. But this team has Juan Johnson,
Foster Monroe, Taysom Hill and Tommy Hudson.
They used a little bit last year too, whose battle guys kicked
around as like a depth tight end and been a good receiver at
places. So you need like somebody of
those of that group to get cut for this guy to even make the
team. Maybe they're praying for Hulker
to get cut and picked up by a tight end needy team and that's
the out. I really did dare the room to
take every New England wide receiver because then Kendrick
Bourne went and. Oh, Tommy Hudson's not.
I was thinking of Tommy Sweeney who used to kicked around.
Tommy Hudson's not any good. Tommy Hudson is the infamous
pick from the the Underdog draft where the guy got sniped on
Stroud and then rage tanked. That's that's how how he will
forever be known to me. Jared Wiley go.
So we're down to Mr. Irrelevant. Thank you guys for hanging out
here on a chill Sunday evening. Also thank you Sacrilegious and
Gretch for being my my Co pilots here.
It was much appreciated for a format I haven't been playing.
Definitely. Yeah, it was.
It was happy to hop on. Always always fun to draft an
FFPC Streets. Do you, do you guys have your,
what's your draft slot tomorrow, Gretch?
I don't know and I'm still trying to figure out who down
Holger is. I thought I gave you.
The clip on me tonight? No, you did.
You gave me some great information but I'm still
confused. I had 64 catches at Colorado
State last year and he actually had a little production.
I do love Bonex. The Bonex stack with Josh
Reynolds I actually like I I've clicked Josh Reynolds a couple
times. That's fun.
Yeah, what do you like more? Bonex with Josh Reynolds or
Drake May with KJ Osbourne. Oh, I mean, it's Drake May with
KJ Osbourne going away. That's an easy one.
This is how like is this. You know, you, you eat, you like
binged on Snickers and now you're going to have like a
bunch of bunch of lettuce here. You know, you took the Jerry
Judy, you feel like shit. And then, is this KJ Osborne
going to be the ultimate palette cleanser for you?
I mean, KJ Osborne is just a beautiful chef's kiss to end
this draft. I mean, he OK, Like, all all
joking aside, pretend that Javon Baker doesn't work out right?
And I've got a lot of Baker. He's one, right?
He's one of my highest drafted receivers KJ Osbourne profiles
to fill the role that we're thinking Javon Baker could fill
pretty easily for a quarterback who we really like for his deep
passing. So I I think KJ Osbourne's a
very reasonable click. Very reasonable.
He is, he is the the final selection on this team and we
did. We did finish strong with some
some rookie upside there. Obviously we had Jayden Daniels
early, missed out on a lot of the rookie wide receivers.
Luke McCaffrey was was one that would have been fun to get with
Jay and Daniels. But we finish Drake, May,
Audrick estimate, Will Shipley, Jatavian Sanders.
So, you know, we did our best for the youth chasers out there.
Osborne got 3.18 fully guaranteed million on a one
year, $4 million deal. Like he's got to make the team
he's going to play. Yeah, good dude.
All right. I'm gonna, I'll do I pull up the
roster view here so you can see this.
Our three quarterbacks, Jane Daniels, Tua and Drake May.
Feels like a cromulent quarterback room.
We had this zero RB build anchored by Kenneth Walker, Zach
Moss, Kendra Miller, Ty Chandler, Tyler Algier, Audric
estimate Will Shipley. Looks like a good running
backroom. Got our wide receivers Tyree
Kill, Nico Collins, Stephon Diggs, Zayflowers, Jayden Reed,
Jerry Judy and KJ Osbourne definitely not the two wide
receivers I thought were going to be rounding out this room at
the time. Jerry Judy and KJ Osbourne you
know, but the Lord works in mysterious ways and then.
Always going to happen when Zach came on.
Mark Andrews, Colcumet and Jatavian Sanders there.
What do we think about this? This squad here, I feel like
it's a really solid squad. We just didn't get a lot of our,
you know, favorites on here. Yeah, that's a good way of
putting it. I think it's a really good team.
The Stroud thing a little bit tilting, but I think you built
well Despite that. Would have been nice to have
that directional season long bet on the whole passing game there.
But you still have a really strong one with Nico and Diggs.
And then Daniels is a different way of playing quarterback
ceiling. We always talk about the
quarterback being sort of the least important part of that
type of bet. You have your little bet on the
Baltimore passing game as well. I mean, I, I, I like that part
of it where you're doing the teammate bets in a full season
points league. Like you're saying, Baltimore's
pass rate and Houston's pass rate are high.
The actual position groups look great to me as well.
I mean, I think it's a good, good team.
Yeah, the the rookie upside we got at the end was really
necessary. We didn't have a lot of it early
and that's just a a side effect of being in a room with people
who know who the the good rookies to click are.
So the room did a good job not not letting these guys fall as
far as they usually do, but I feel like we still got a really
fun team here. Yep, and also shout out to our
guy Draco is well providing, provided his sheet to me tonight
to keep an eye on and I appreciated that.
Doing some great work over in the FFPC streets and I know he
has his rankings that he's helped on over at Leg Up as
well. If you guys are wanting to get
some ranks to hop in a similar contest.
Not this, this is the pro am or whatever, but there is the
what's the official? Is it just called the best ball
tournament? BBT, the best ball tournament,
$125.00 entry, I believe it's 300 K to first one of the most
top heavy tournaments that is out there in the best ball
format. So if you think you have an edge
at it, it's the one where you'll have your highest theoretical
ROI because the more top heavy A tournament is, the the better
your theoretical ROI can be in it.
So. And I think we're going to draft
one of those on ship chasing this week this afternoon.
So that will be fun. We'll have kind of gotten our
feet wet with these pros versus Joes.
And so if you guys want to see another one of those, that'll be
Thursday at 3:00 PM Eastern. Like I said, Gretsch will be
streaming his tomorrow on the Stealing Signals YouTube, so
make sure you guys tune in for that.
Is that an 8:00 PM kickoff as well or is that a different
time? Gretchen, you'd.
Think that I would know my draft slot in my kickoff time, but
unfortunately I do not. OK, no worries.
I can look it up. It's Nine, 9:00 PM Eastern
tomorrow night. So come join us at youtube.com
slash at Stealing Signals, 9:00 PM Eastern tomorrow night.
Beautiful, sacrilegious. Anything going on in your neck
of the woods that leg up right now?
We're just working on some updates for the sidekick.
We just sent a new update to the extension yesterday which had
some some new stuff in there. You can now draft off of ADP.
So if you're tired of getting, you know, 30% Jalen Warren, you
can switch from drafting off leg up ranks to just drafting off
ADP. I really enjoyed just kind of
toggling back and forth and just getting a second opinion to see,
you know, if I was purely doing this from ADP, what would the
best pick be? And then going back to the leg
up ranks to see what we've got there.
So that's all for us over a leg up.
Beautiful. One other programming note for
this channel. ADP Chasing will be live
tomorrow as usual. Finally, lots of kind of more
interesting market updates to discuss.
Got the the Chiefs wide receivers moving up, the Jordan
Addison news, all that good stuff.
So they will be breaking that down tomorrow and I'll have best
ball breakfast as usual over on my channel.
The rotating guest this week is Rotopat from Rotoworld.
Always a fun guy to hop in a draft with.
So that will be a good show. That's at 10:00 AM Eastern
tomorrow on my channel. Appreciate you ship chasers.
We will see you guys next time. Peace out.