All right guys, a fun game on tap for tonight's ship cast.
Last time we gathered for one of these, we finally hit our core,
had an electric giveaway. We'll see if we can do it
tonight. We got the pickums dialed up.
We got $100 giveaway on tap if we hit that core.
We got Sam Hoppin, our old friend from the ship chasing
universe who's now on to some awesome things and has a new
gig. He's going to swing by.
He's also a noted Cheesehead Packers fan, so he can give us
some, you know, boots on the ground takes about this team.
It's the ship cast with Pete, Pat and Gretsch.
Let's do it. It's the ship cast, the ship
cast, the ship cast. We got some fun pick em sweats
dialed up. You mix in a couple lowers there
to make sure people know you know ball.
All hires 'cause we know ball. You're going to lose anyway,
probably. So just do the Peppers.
Scorcher watch everyone. Scorcher watch.
Oh no. The pick em's aren't hitting.
What the? Other way you cock.
You guys want to make some more pick Em's?
Jump back, baby. I'm emotionally invested there
we. Go.
I just want to be clear, no one is asking you to watch the game.
We're just asking you to watch us.
All right, we are good to go. That game, the last ship cast 2
weeks ago feels like an eternity ago.
How are we doing tonight, fellas?
It does, yeah. I don't think it like clicked
for me that it was two weeks ago cuz it was feeling a really long
time ago, right? It was two weeks ago.
It was a long and then the Thanksgiving one.
I mean that was that feels like a long time ago too though.
But I mean that's cuz I just got drunk for that again.
What's the? New have you Have you kind of
taken it easy with the How are the gretsch.com servers doing
after the biggest weekend of the year?
They were really struggling. They were really struggling all
day on Thursday. But got the updates.
In they they updates they updates came on time.
The servers might not have been peak form, but the updates were
were right. There did I see someone Gretch
tried to basically do a Patrick Donovan with BBMDB and beat you
to the live scoring because your updates weren't fast enough?
That's right. I mean, that might be what they
were doing. They they counted the whole
thing up and posted it and they had it right.
And it was crazy, guys. The audience is a lot of people
were asking who won. Daigle won it.
With the first pick, he won it right from the the pick that we
were, we were. Making fun of.
Yeah, who couldn't believe the one that that blew our minds?
John is the first round. But it actually came all the way
down to 30 seconds left in that game where he most are caught A1
yard pass and he went ahead. So Hassan had this great team
and when I updated it, it was sometime around half time of the
night game. Reebs and and Daigle were both
in in in like, you know, shooting range or whatever
scoring distance. I don't know what I'm trying to
say, but Reeves was closer. They were the striking distance.
They were both on either side of that Packers Dolphins game.
Remember, they both stacked that game up and Reeves was closer
and had a good team. Daigle had Johnny, like you're
saying, and John, who caught a ton of passes in the
second-half. He came all the way back and
then he also had Monster and monster catches A1 yard pass at
the very end of garbage time and wins it for him by a fraction of
a point. It all came down to a fraction
of a point. No, Montgomery, here we go.
Dude, I deserve every bit of that.
You just reminded me. So I had a really good team in
the big underdog contest for most of the day.
It was like the Caleb Williams double with the Laporta bring
back, and it was kind of like a lock for a nice finish.
And then Janu passed Laporta as the optimal tight end.
You need it. It just all of it got wiped out.
And now thinking back to me making fun of Daigle's Janu pick
in the first round like I fucking deserved every bit of
it. Janu.
I mean, he's crushing. I'll real quick throw up our
core here. We obviously have some other
ones, but just to let you guys know what the main giveaway
sweat is here and why we're fist pumping Montgomery.
We got him higher than 13.55 fantasy points.
Did I say 3 fives .55 fantasy points?
I'm on raw higher than 71 1/2 receiving yards in the Jordan
Love over 18 point O 5 fantasy points.
And we already got two catches there from Saint Brown as well,
so a good first drive. They did just put Gibbs in for a
screen. Part of why we played Montgomery
in the core was the kid gave away their playbook this week.
We didn't know if he was going to get disciplined at all, but
he got in there. Early, yeah, but Montgomery has
had this first drive on the ground be nice if he could punch
in a touchdown here, that was part of it.
Obviously. He's yeah, you know, has a short
yardage roll. Come on, game out.
He gets the 1st. Drive in every game and then the
rest of the way it's usually about two to one snaps.
Gibbs. It's weird, they do the same
thing every time, but it's Montgomery gets the whole first
long drive, but Gibbs still winds up with like 60%
snapshare. Until last week, Montgomery
actually played more throughout the game.
He got like a ton of work on Thanksgiving. 20 carries and all
that. Yeah, yeah, they're playing the
Bears. Yeah, you know.
I think Dan Campbell cares about that stuff.
Oh for sure. Get a first down.
Let's go. I want to shoot out.
Lots of time found him, Jamo. OK, there we go.
We got him on a, a, a slider, a couple, a couple.
We got some. Show the fun bonus.
Ones we did some fun stuff this week, yeah.
I, I think bed, I think your quote and I didn't get to
respond to it, but I think you said the sliders are trouble and
I was nodding vigorously when you said that 'cause that has
been my experience of late. Let's see.
So, yeah, we have Jamo and a couple.
This was one of the Super sliders here.
Those of you in the Discord, I posted all of these.
I think one or two of them I didn't get onto Twitter, but
Jamo higher than 79 1/2. So that 28 right off the gate
there is is very nice. Let's see if Gibbs trying to get
to the outside with a flag and then what was the other one
here? What do we have with Gibbs?
Is it fantasy points or yards? You also added the Gibbs longest
rush that also has Jimo and Reed.
There we go. That's right.
Yep. So we split that one twice.
And so, yeah, the Reed is the constant and then one has craft
and one has Gibbs. Longest rush.
This was one that we were tossing into our Thanksgiving
pick comes we built and I think we slid it too far.
I think we slid it to like 39 1/2 and he had a 39 yard rush if
I recall correctly on Thanksgiving.
The slider. The sliders are dangerous.
Yeah. It's so easy to just be like,
I'm going to, I'm going to keep sliding this.
I I think he's going to. I mean, if Jameson Williams is
going off, he's going for 79, he's going for 89, he's going
for 99. He's going to catch an 80 yard
touchdown, you know, like. And it can bite you, but it
also, like, makes sense so much for what, you know, Christian
Watson. Like, stuff with him just feels
so binary, right? Like, it's gonna be like 10
yards or 80 yards. And so like the sliders actually
allow you to capture that upside.
Yeah. So that's the core.
And then we turned it into a slider situation where we we
added Watson and then also slid Love on the course fantasy
points. But you guys noted that it'd be
fun to put love on here, get the passing our Pete that I think
that was your note. Like we we get Watson on there.
We do a slider on both love and Watson together kind of
correlated sliders with the rest of the core on the lion side.
I mean, that's a fun, you know, classic like five leg but with
the sliders, right? Yeah.
Exactly. You kind of get the benefits of
the five leg payout, but you only have to, you know, we're
essentially just getting like one thing, right.
We're saying if Watson goes over to this, it's pretty likely that
that Love is throwing for more yards than expected.
For sure. And then we split this too,
because it's always so hard with the, you know, fucking Knuckles
and whatever their nickname is here.
So we put Gibbs, Gibbs in one and Montgomery at the other.
And what's the Gibbs one? This one for these we just did
straight fantasy points so 14 point O 5 and Montgomery is
13.55 and. They got third and goal here.
They got Monty on, yeah. But they're a bit far.
Oh, sort it. Oh, first thing go out the one.
Here comes Monty. That's nice for us, Tim Patrick
doing his job of getting that DPI.
I still think like. The run out for Tim Patrick, it
still kind of blows my mind just seeing how Sean Payton has, you
know, used his wide receivers this year.
I'm shocked that Sean Payton did find room for Tim Patrick.
I am his offense. I know cuz he's he's able to
play like he's, he's locked down this, this role of the Lions,
it's like a starter for them. Are they going to try to say
this isn't catchable or something?
No. Two fouls.
Oh nice. Illegal contact.
SO this isn't actually at the one, is it?
Are we going to get a legal contact and then a personal
foul? One of them is only one foul.
Illegal contact that'll be happening.
So they said it was uncatchable. I was wondering if it was a
personal foul for the hit instead of Pi.
Yeah, so. 1st and goal from what?
Should be about the four. Yeah, 3 1/2 it looks like.
Yeah, Montgomery Inn. They're going to give him a
crack at it. Oh yeah.
He might get three in a row. Come on.
Buddy. Easy.
There we go.
Touched what? A start for the core.
Great, because that's the one we were you know, I think of any of
the way the script can go, it could be a shootout.
Montgomery can kind of you know, that's the one that I at least I
know I was a little bit more concerned about.
But you want to get the Monty TD and he gets a lot of he scores a
lot of touchdowns, right. Yeah, we.
Thought about the we thought about taking rushing yards, but
there's been some games where like they roll and like it's a
Monty script and he doesn't hit 60 rushing yards, 61.
And so the touchdown, he's got such strong touchdown equity in
the game script that we're thinking, which is like to kind
of back out on that. My feeling on the Packers is
that you got to push the Packers to pass.
They need to be like maybe not trailing by a ton, but they it
needs to be a competitive back and forth game script.
They're going to have to like get they're, they're very
conservative right now. You got to push them.
But if you push them, they can do damage through the air.
So you can get fun. But then with the Lions, like
the Lions, they're pretty fun when they play from ahead.
They're not trying to kill the clock, no.
So it can be a shootout. It's a that's sort of the idea
is like Lions lead mostly, but it's just like a.
This is also in addition to the Monty touchdown, to your point
about the Packers need to be pushed.
This is exactly what we needed for the game script that we
want. We did All hires are all you
might notice all of our slips are hires with sliders.
We're, we're, we're playing into the 51.
I'm pretty sure they know our IMO at this point, but yeah.
Yeah, 51 1/2 over under. We don't even know if the
sliders go down like it's not a joke like.
I'm not sure they do. I've loved the odds are just so
lame on the on the going down. But with the.
Lions out in front to push the Packers like this is what we
needed. An early Lions TD.
Specifically, Montgomery. Yes, it's beautiful.
The other out that you have though with Monty is that he is
used as the traditional running back, but they use him on play
action a lot. He's got this really high
targets per hour. And this one, the notes I had on
Thanksgiving about, about the lines.
And so if you get them rolling kind of doing their thing, Monty
should catch at least a couple passes, I'm thinking, which is
another way that kind of helps us out now that we have the
touchdown in the bag. I'm just delighted that we went
fantasy points because you don't have to get the rest with
rushing. The the other thing too, and I
think I mean, you guys were kind of hitting on this where it's
like because they've been so willing to have their foot on
the gas and continue to pass in positive game scripts.
Like normally you'd look at Monty and Aman raw and be like,
aren't they kind of negatively correlated different game
scripts where they really get going?
It's like not with this version of Alliance, No, they just keep
coming and coming. They'll pass, they'll throw,
They don't give a shit. Exactly, exactly.
They're kind of like they brought in a little bit of the
49ers when they were clicking, like, it's all like works
together. You know, they got the run game,
the pass game. It's all like part of the same
system that keeps the defense off balance.
So, you know, Montgomery's a big part of that, as is Gibbs.
But the, you know, the run game is, is a big part of what
they're doing when they're playing well.
Montgomery's the like of all the players that I at times, you
know, didn't necessarily like or whatever, Like Montgomery when
he was in the Bears is not that fun of a player.
He had some fun plays and stuff, but he got to the Lions.
He's such a perfect fit for this team.
He's a fun running back on the Would every running back be
fought on the Lions? Almost.
Yeah, almost everyone in that we thought DeAndre Swift not fun on
the Lions. DeAndre.
That's that does not speak well of DeAndre Swift.
Not fun of the Lions. Not fun on the Eagles.
Kind of fun on the Bears. On the Bears somehow just needs
a completely broken offense and an offensive coordinator that
gets himself fired mid season and then it works.
I mean, Jamal Williams was fun on the Lions.
You know this. This team makes running backs
fun. Jamal Williams had a 20
touchdown season on this team. Yeah, holy shit.
That is crazy. I I memory hold that, but when
you said that he'd scored. 20. Touchdowns for these guys a
couple of years ago. I know God.
And that was the last thing he ever did in the league.
Ever did, Yeah. Just went away.
That both feels like it was. For Jamal Williams, it feels
like it was so recent because he's done nothing else.
For the Lions, it feels like it was so long ago because they've
had David Montgomery forever, right?
Like, yeah, yeah. And I mean Gibbs.
Gibbs feels like a core part of this team.
Right, that is crazy. Oh, it was when they saw Swift.
That's right, because now they. Get.
I was thinking it was like Greg Reynolds over Swift.
Oh boy. Oh, that's not a good start,
though. Check it.
Get rid of the ball. That was quite the sax
celebration. Sorry, I wouldn't mind the
Packers going down by two scores.
Just, you know that plan where you were going to run, like 50%
of the time it's out, it's over new play.
I just the the only triggering thing I have is like Love and
Stroud have been the two guys I feel like I just chase every
week and as we all know, Stroud just gets sacked way too many
times. When I see Stroud or Love start
to get sacked, I'm like please, just please don't be one of
those games. Yeah.
That's fair. There you go.
There you go. 3rd 3rd Manageable.
Another nice thing about the fantasy points, we'll take a
little rushing yards here from Jordan Love.
That's right. I was just thinking of the
slider, pass yards. I was like, that doesn't help
us. But yeah, that's the core.
Look at that. So we got a $100 giveaway if we
hit this core. Core's looking good.
Yeah. I mean, Almond raw was one of
your favorite plays, right, Pete?
And we already got 2 changes there, 10 yards.
If this game gets going, he's getting to 71.
I mean, Tennis 71 is already a nice first drive.
This is a fun one because I feel like we we were as on the same
page with doing these as we've been all all year and we were on
the same page and this game that we're about to watch is going to
be a lot of fun. Yeah, it.
Was a fun one. Got API.
I'd like to see the Packers go down and score here and just
start, you know, ramping it up, you know, do.
We have any. Does it matter?
It's all yards for us and the receivers, right?
It's not any fancy points. Yeah, all, all yards for the
receivers. Which they just dropped back
replays in a row to start. You pointed out that the bash
up's not great for Jacobs. The Lions are good against the
run. I felt like Matt Lafleur was
going to come out aggressive in this game.
I mean, they'll run it here on 1st and 10 now that those, you
know, they got took a sack on 1st and 10:00 last series.
But like, I don't think they're going to run as much as they've
been when Jacobs in this game. Yeah, that was our hope because
of the game script and the Lions have been a pass funnel, even
though they have a really good pass defense because you have to
pass when you play the Lions like they're not a different
types of pass funnels, right? There's somewhere you like
you're shifting to attack a matchup.
That's not what the Lions are. The Lions are when you play the
Lions, they're usually ahead and you have to pass the ball more,
right? Which the Packers will will play
into that, that's what, like you said, you have to push the
Packers. But they will play into that.
And Matt Lafleur, they're not afraid to pass.
That's not they just they have a the really.
The fun thing about this is you have two of the best offensive
minds in the NFL at at designing explosive plays.
Matt Lafleur will draw up shot plays that work and they will
get explosive pass plays and Ben Johnson obviously designs them
as well as anyone and they're always doing all these trick
plays. Last week they gave Peninsul an
end around. Did you have you guys ever seen
an offensive lineman get an end? He.
Was going to throw it. He was supposed to throw it.
He. Was going to throw it.
I've never seen that. I've seen, you know, lineman
mostly like D tackles get the carries at the middle, offensive
lineman eligible leak for a reception and end around running
horizontally for a lineman I've never seen.
It. Well, it's like, you know how
Andy Reid gets accused of getting bored with some of those
those plays and the Reds out a lot of times and they, like,
they never seem to work that well.
I feel like Dan Campbell's trick plays work like his shit always
seems to to get there. Yeah.
The other thing is OK, if you're willing, when you go into this
heavy formation where you make Penne Sewell eligible in the
slot because you bring on A6 lineman and you're willing to
use him on an end around where he might pass.
And the team has to have seen that on film.
Now. Now you could just do that
formation and run behind it, which is what everyone thinks
they're going to do anyway. But you have Penne Sewell as a
lead blocker like split out like now.
Now you can just do what that formation should be for, which
is just I, I mean, they do the the trick play, set up their
base offense, right? Like it.
It makes things so difficult to to think about.
Get there. Ah, is he getting help?
No, it's just. A bad it.
Was running with a gate as if someone was like holding him.
Yeah. Geez.
He was going slow there. That's a tough throw off the
back, but. Yeah, he had to get out of there
because the pass rush. I like the way Love gets the
ball out on those. You do or you didn't.
Show the throw come down. I want to see how close it was
I. Don't think it was very close.
Like, that was a tough dog of his back foot, and he still got
a lot of velocity on it. He actually ended up
overthrowing it a little bit. There's so many quarterbacks
that float that pass up right? And then the receiver has to
like wait. Yeah, yeah.
Although to me it was like a borderline throw away.
I think he was just like, he's kind of like.
But even when he throws it away, it's like, yeah, he let him.
And it was, you know, it's kind of close, yeah.
The chat Who will be next year's Wicks Wicks, Wicks?
Yeah, probable Who will be next year's Wicks?
It's got to be someone who's been very efficient.
We got to get inside the mind of one Mr. Davis Maddock.
To figure out that's a good question, it's got to be
somebody who's good on a per out basis, didn't run enough routes.
What's John Mitchie's route yards per hour on because he
would be a. I was thinking the the rookie
class, I was going to go look at this year's like later round.
Yeah, that's a better, that's a better way to do it.
Malik Washington, has he done anything?
Oh, that's actually a pretty good one, Coker.
Kind of, really. Flashed Coker.
That's really good. Because thelen will still be
there and he'll just like be a backup all here, but these are
going to be. Fun.
No. You know who else it is?
Is Adni Mitchell because his dude that's too good popping is
really popping? Oh, he, he's going to lose us a
lot of money. He's going to do Jackson.
Next year. He loses a lot, Yeah.
Oh. Man he's staring at because I I
played him at DFS. What was it last week when they
played the paths and just staring at that zero in my line
UPS was just disgusting. That's that's the answer.
It's 80, Mitchell and he, because he'll go in that range
that he'll go in the Wix range, like that eleventh round, 10th
round. Oh God, I really don't want to
draft him. I think I'm going to, you're in
physical pain over this because how am I going to?
Because you know what it is? It's the, it's the same thing as
Wix. It's like, I didn't think the
Wix thing would be would work, to be honest, but everyone was
on it. I'm like, Reeves loves this guy,
Davis loves this guy. I'm just going to sit this out
and maybe I should have. You know, that was that was one
of the funniest, like just I guess there were some, you know,
news events. There was that interview with
love where he was talking up Wix, but like that was just
completely controlled by the best.
Wasn't there the? Friends and family remember.
The friends and family routes, remember.
How we love. The friends and.
Family routes, but but the enthusiasm for Wix was that
Train had left the station even before that.
We all love Davis. There's the one, the the
situations with Davis that I'm just like, man, can you just not
be so Davis when he was like posting every week that he was
drafting him higher and higher. Oh, you're not drafting him at
95, You're not drafting him at 89.
You're not drafting him at 82. Like just stop.
Don't do this anymore, Davis. Had I was.
Quietly out on the wakes for a little bit of that rise, and
then I kind of got back in pianos, like I don't have much.
No, Davis convinced himself that there was another Davis in every
one of his rooms and he was in a competition with other Dravis of
like no other. Davis will take him if I don't
take him. Next thing you know, you end up
with Wix. Like, I took him in the ninth
round last time. I got to take him in the eighth
years or other. Davis is going to take him.
Oh, man. I mean, to be honest, that's
what we were doing with Sky Moore.
Just a couple. Years.
Oh, yeah. We've done that repeatedly.
Yeah, definitely. Davis is hardly alone there.
Yeah. Yeah.
Those are always the toughest for you.
Like I want to be in and I, I just, I know that I can't.
I didn't take a whole lot of Wix either.
Well, do. You guys know the the the most
hilarious thing about regarding wix in our universe this year as
we drafted him with Davis right in our FFPC main event and then
we dropped him after three weeks and then he popped for the big
game like literally the week or two after we drafted.
Him I didn't. Stick it out.
We didn't even stick it out. I brought him up for that draft
and I believe it was Sean Stutzman.
I think it was one of the go bills.
I'm pretty sure it was Stutzman who DM Ed me after that.
And he was like Wix that was like, that was sick.
You guys are out of control. And I was like, what was that
like early form? And it was like it, it was like
a full round before his highest pick.
But I was like, we got to take Wix here, right, guys?
Yeah. Oh no.
You can never tell when someone tells you you just set the all
time high for Wix's ADP. You're like is that a
compliment? Are you proud of us or you think
that was dumb? What?
What you, what you say?
We were on the turn. I remember we were, we took him
on the way back and it was like he's not he.
I think I was like he's not going to come back, which he may
not have because it was like 2 full rounds until we picked
again. But we set like a full round
high. Well I completely blacked out
during that entire Lions possession thinking and talking
about Dontavian Wicks that I don't even know why I know.
But it's not terrible. Packers take back over midfield
I think for games, yeah, it's fun.
Did they get a penalty on 1st down?
Did I see a first and 20 there I feel like.
I was thinking about Dontavian Wicks.
Yeah, yeah. I thought it's not.
Intoxicating. He maybe forget a game.
Yeah, that's that's the power. That's going to be 80 Mitchell
next year. Oh, no, they just went Gibbs
run, Gibbs run, sack, punt, no penalty.
That was quick. And they give the Packers the
ball at midfield. I mean, this is the the Lions
could have run the ball down the field for 90 yards and and you
been in the middle of the second quarter, scored the second TD
and that wouldn't have been good for the game.
Right. So we got Watson Wicks.
Is this just a 2 because I guess it's too tight inset?
Yeah, I don't feel like you need to establish it, though, just
because, like, the passing hasn't been great.
They drop back the whole first drive and they're like we, you
know, love can't find anything downfield, so now we got to run
the ball. Mine's just lost DT with a
concussion. Oh yeah.
Get ready and Josh Jacobs, Josh Jacobs is like the worst thing
for us, right? We we want all love passing
yards. We want the Lions backs.
There we go. OK, it's.
A little read wasn't too, too much.
We just have, we just have to read yardage sliders, I think.
Is that right? Yeah.
Yeah, 79 1/2. I want to capture the moment I
felt when we were in Vegas for opening weekend.
Eagles Packers. We're in the Circa pool and
Jaden Reed has that first touched ad.
Oh. God.
I was just like I was. Like.
That moment, oh God, now this is going to get overturned.
It already did. They did the expedited review.
That moment was incredible, Pete.
And then it got overturned. We took the Packers, remember,
we bet on the games of the Packers in the over.
We were like, this is all going to hit and then the game was
still a shootout, but we had a parlay and the Packers wound up
not covering or whatever. We ended up losing that bet
really closely. But I remember at the beginning
I was like, this is the bet we just placed because we just
placed these bets like, you know, 5 minutes prior, right
before the game started. Oh, come on.
That one. They're getting after love.
This is crazy. Go for that.
The Barkley game could be just maybe a one game, Yeah.
That was a. It's tough, naive.
It's. I remember how I felt.
I was like, oh, no. And for that to, like, still be
better because you don't know for sure.
Yeah, not good. They're going for it.
Let's go. OK, let's go.
Way better for, are they? Just trying to draw them off
sides. I mean, even if they don't get
it, come on. Oh, they might be.
Snap it. I think it's a false.
In the shotgun. Though they don't usually do
that in the shotgun. Come on, snap it.
Nice try. They should have went for it.
They should have. Been way more fun.
This guy's grating actual cheese.
There's cheese everywhere now, man.
Sam's going to have to account for that.
He's going to. Have it's crazy.
You better be front row. I don't know.
I couldn't tell from the angle. Is he?
Probably there was a guy grating cheese.
Yes, a lion, Sam. I'm out to the next Gen. so I
don't know if it was just in the next Gen.
They show you the cheese grating guy, but the chats loving it.
It is crazy. He's just sitting there grating
cheese. It's a big block.
Amazing. There's cheddar all over
everyone next to him. Come on man.
Oh, I'm definitely rewinding this.
Oh, I. Found him, he's just grating
cheese. What happened to he's?
Got pretty good form. He's got a lot of cheese, you
know, that's he's grating it quickly.
Why? How are you allowed to bring a
cheese grater into the stadium? That's that's a great point
dude. How are they allowing cheese
graters in? That feels like a safety hazard.
It is. You know, he's looking it down.
He's like, oh, I see, you know, the security guards patting him
down. He's like, oh, I see what you're
up to now. You're good.
Yeah, that's a great bit.
Come on in. I mean, you probably do.
You just tuck it in the jacket. You're not going to, they're not
going to feel it in the pat down.
You can get you can get a cheese grater in.
Oh my God, he's just. Staring at the camera.
Chris Cheese. There's cheese flying
everywhere. That's too funny.
Oh, here, I can pull it up on screen.
Ian grabbed a screen grab of it. Here you.
See this? It's coming.
With tears in his eyes, he pleaded with security.
But the bit. But the bit, dude, I love Ian.
I love that Ian already has his on Twitter.
Like it is so good Oh my God. Is that person behind him on
FaceTime? It looks like it or No.
You know what? I think it's his screenshot
background. It's like him and his
girlfriend. Because he's in a tie.
Yeah. Yeah.
Got it. So what's he wearing on his head
there? Yeah, someone tell.
Is there like a lion's answer to the cheese head?
That's. What?
He's braiding the cheese to signify that he's destroying the
Packers, But what's on his head? I was feeling like it was.
It had to be the lion's logo on the sides, you know, like.
Unless it is it a greater hat? Oh, that makes a lot of sense.
Cinder block. A greater.
I think it must be a greater. Doesn't look like a lion head.
I hope it's not a lion's hat. I hope he just went like
thematically it's a lot cooler if it's the greater you know the
whole. Shot is saying it's the greater
that's. OK, it looks like this is a
thing. Oh my God, so he's wearing a
greater hat? Yeah, OK, This is a thing.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
All right. So he's got the greater hat on,
OK. This is look at this couple.
He's with his wife or girlfriend?
That's amazing. All right, let's go, Gemma.
But I mean physically grating. Cheese and.
Then he had so funny he had it like too high above his face
with glasses on. So, so this is the one he was
wearing and like, I like the other ones.
Like there's a level of a. Yeah, that's.
Better here. That's good.
Like this is just like what the fuck is on your head man?
That just looks like a bag, like you could like put stuff in the
sides. You know, like what?
There's nothing. For me.
That looks like something from like a weird sci-fi movie.
Like yeah, that's what I think Battlestar Galactica is.
I don't I don't know anything about that show.
They look like that. Let's get serious during
commercials one cheese for your favorite sandwich man it it
depends like like are we yeah like if I'm having like an
Italian cold cut sandwich versus.
I'm going to say one of my favorites is Colby Jack.
It's a good, yeah, good balanced cheese.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I know it's.
Maryland crab cake sandwich. That's that's that's my
favorite. OK, I used to be.
I know it's, you know, if you're not from the Mid-Atlantic, it's
it's like you're not really ordering that a lot, but.
I used to. You just named a whole sandwich,
it said. We're trying to name it.
Cheese. Oh, I thought you said favorite
sandwich. No, no cheese.
One cheese for your favorite sandwich.
I thought he I thought he was calling the the Super chat
cheese. Like here's some cheese.
Now tell me your favorite sandwich.
No, Colby Jack sandwich would not be my favorite sandwich.
You're like, that's a weird 1 Ben, but my favorite is a crab.
Sandwich. All right, so cheese.
I'd say on the sandwich dude, it depends on the sand.
Whole it depends on the sandwich.
I do like a good blue cheese. It's not very high brow.
A Gouda's pretty. Good.
Yeah. What's the one that?
Really go wrong with Gouda. Gouda's good Pimento.
Is that the one that they have at the Masters?
And then Chick-fil-A had for a while the pick.
Oh yeah. Sandwich.
That's a good cheese. I like it.
Yeah, good sandwich cheese for sure.
All right, so JB, Phil asks what's our favorite sandwich?
I already answered. What are you?
What's your favorite sandwich? Mine is a breakfast sandwich
with bacon. Sunnyside up or over easy.
You got to get the runny egg. Got to get the runny egg.
Utter on it. And cream cheese.
I like savory flavors. You get all these, You get the
yolk cream cheese going together with the bacon.
Yeah. Egg, cheddar.
That's one of those things that I and sourdough toast.
And then you could add avocado to that.
My wife makes it. It's incredible.
I've never had blue or sorry, not blue cheese.
What cheese did you say? Cream cheese.
I do cream cheese and sharp cheddar on.
That never had cream cheese. I've had cream cheese.
I've never had cream cheese on bacon, egg and cheese.
OK, Yeah, yeah, I. Don't know how that would work.
I don't know how it would fit, but I'm intrigued now.
It adds with the with the yolk it.
I mean, there's I'm a savory flavor guy, but it's good, man.
It's good. I love the yolk man, that's I
just eat a lot of eggs. You got to get the yolk going.
I I honestly think my favorite sandwich is probably a lobster
roll. Oh yeah, those are cool.
It's probably the thing I get most excited, and it's probably
because it's more rare, right? Like, yeah, just not.
I'm only having that a few times a year.
Right. The other one we have out here
is in Seattle. We have a a Cuban spot, but it's
not like a traditional Cuban sandwich that has like the slice
of ham on or whatever, but they do the pork shoulder really,
really good place called Unbien. It used the owner used to be run
a place called Paseo. For anyone who knows this area,
Paseo was what rooted was once voted like one of the best
sandwiches in America. But it's got like pickled
jalapenos on it and really good garlic aioli.
Anyway, maybe that's the one I get excited about.
When Pete was talking about getting excited, that's the one
I'm like, oh, I'm getting noon bien today.
This is fun a good a good bond Me is also.
That's a good sandwich. There you go, somebody in chat
knows Paseos is goated. It's a good I'm glad we're doing
this conversation now relatively shortly after I ate dinner,
whereas if this conversation happened in the second-half, I'd
start to be in trouble. I haven't had dinner yet.
My wife's going to bring me up some food during the game and
I'm I really want all these sandwiches now.
Yeah, Tiger Uppercuts is Bon me is a is a great sandwich, but
not for cheese. What about head cheese?
Not actually cheese, but come on.
Famously on About Me. All right, let's get the big
plays rolling again. I feel like we missed some good
cheap. I like a good cheddar.
I mean sharp. Cheddar is good, Cheddar is
good. So Richie springs bummys are
cheap dude. Bummys are real cheap.
Oh, French dip's a good one. I'm here.
I'm here for a French dip. Or like a really good Philly
cheese steak. Those are, those are.
I mean, that's a good sandwich. Sandwiches are just pretty good.
They're all good. They're good.
There's so many good like chicken sandwiches.
I I I love a fried chicken sandwich.
Oh yeah. Oh yeah, huge fan of a fried
chicken sandwich. And just like.
It just always hits like if you're, if you don't know what
to get and you like at a plate, you know, like at a like kind of
bar, restaurant, pub type thing. And like I'm going to get a I'm
just going to get chicken sandwich, spicy chicken
sandwich. They're going to do.
They're going to. Do that did did Jersey Mike's go
out of business? Why'd you say RIP Jersey Mike's?
That would be news to me. And they have a really good
cheese stick I haven't had in a really long time.
But we have them out here in Seattle too.
And that was like the first, like real good cheese steak that
made its way to Seattle was Jersey Mike's.
I mean, chain, but it was still really good.
Got bought out by Blackstone's on set.
Does that mean that they're going to close?
Oh, they're just bought by evil. The Black Rock.
The my like when I first moved out here am I like drunk go to
because I didn't have California burritos as my late night thing,
but a Buffalo chicken tender sub which that was like my go to
that. It's so good.
Like a late night sandwich? Yeah.
When Pat was talking about chicken sandwiches being so
good, I was going to say, like, you can get a Buffalo, you can
get all these like kinds. Like there's so many kinds of
like flavoring that can be on a good chicken sandwich.
But that's the first one that came to my mind, too.
Those are so good. Yeah.
I was just thinking about this conversation juxtapose with
Denny's diet and just where Daddy would be as we talked
about all these like 2000 calorie sandwiches.
Daddy's over in the corner eating his chickpeas.
I'm going to need a can of chickpeas.
I've I've never I so I didn't do it.
I didn't get the chickpeas, but I'm still thinking about the
chickpeas. I told my wife she's like we
have. Them and I was like, all right,
we have them, I'm going to try some.
I haven't tried them. I told myself I would try them,
but why would you actually do that?
I guess so the idea is right. It just keeps you full because
we're all aging and slowly, you know, it's just a way to fill
our bodies with with. The way you worded that, you're
like it's going to slow our March toward death.
The way. We're all aging.
That's. What's happening?
That's what. That's what I'm saying.
All right. Welcome.
Look who it is. Sam Hoppin we we saw a Lions fan
who snuck a cheese grater into the stadium and that has sent us
on quite the tangent tonight. How are you doing, man?
I'm hungry. I mean, I ate like an hour and a
half to go. I'm you guys are talking about
sandwiches and cheese and I saw the cheese grater.
That was a nice. I think that's the first time
I've seen. Like a live.
Cheese grater at a game I like. Don't know how he got that
through security. Host 911 that should not be
allowed is just yeah. Like I've seen, I think I've
seen like the the cheese hat, like head as a cheese grater,
but never like a live what like those things are pretty sharp.
I don't know if it should be. How do you feel like a Packers
fan about the the cheese grater headwear?
Is that like insulting to you since saying you know we're
going to grate you. You know you're.
You're, I mean. Are you like just a fan of
headwear as a Packers fan? I was I don't know if I've like
ever like worn a cheese head for like a long a long time.
It's. Just like what?
Do you mean you? Have one on your head, but not.
Like I've worn one, but I've never like I mean, I don't, I've
been haven't been you haven't worn.
One for a week straight and you call yourself a real.
I haven't like worn one like when I'm watching a game or like
at a game or something. Sleeping one nightly.
It's not. It's not your pillow.
So there was one around and you were like, let me try it on.
But yeah, like worn it. I mean, they're, they're heavy,
they're clunky like. It's I see.
I couldn't imagine like sitting behind someone who's wearing one
too like that. That is a thing.
Like I would be so pissed if you if you couldn't see over someone
wearing. One of those.
It'd be so frustrating. So how have you been?
Man? I feel like it's been a while
since we've gotten to talk on on stream or IRL or otherwise.
Yeah, yeah, things are good. Started the new job this week.
It's been a lot of HR onboarding stuff and, and learning ways of
working and all that sort of stuff, but it's been really
good. I've had to learn how to use a
MacBook because I've been APC guy my entire life and they,
they use Macs here. So that's been a big, probably
one of the bigger switches is just like having to go to the
top left to close something out instead of the top right.
That's probably good if that's one of the big yeah, if that's.
The biggest thing? Yeah.
But yeah, no, things are good. Can't complain.
And let the people know exactly. I know you announced it on
Twitter, but where? Where you're at now.
Yeah, so I'm at Penn Entertainment.
They own like ESPN bet or the score bet if you're in Canada
doing NFL data science for them. Can't say a ton about what
specifically I'm working on but not doing any like content for
them anymore. Still putting charts and stuff
out on Twitter but won't be yeah doing any like regular content
going forward but strictly focusing on on NFL stuff right
now. You told me it's like the
equivalent of the Manhattan Project for fantasy that you're
going. To be the the seller totally.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you're you're like working
for the man was would that be clear?
Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
No dude, that's that's is it? Is it all remote still or are
you going into an office? Yeah, still remote.
They've got offices in Toronto, New Jersey, Philly, but still in
my my lovely office that I've been in the last couple couple
years now. There you go man, that's
awesome. Exciting stuff, exciting stuff.
So the the spreads and the totals and all of the props are
going to get way harder because it's more smart.
People are on the wrong side of the game.
Don't worry, you got us. You got us fighting back here
with our sliders. You can't keep us down for long.
That's awesome though. That is, that is really cool.
That's that's something I. Congratulate of it's.
Awesome opportunity and and moves you in the right direction
anyone would love to be on that side of things yeah it's it's
it's weird because like since I mean I've been doing this stuff
full time now for about 3 years and never there we.
Go. No, what are you doing, dude?
Tell me that was the ground that caused that.
No, that was, I think he was in the air.
He may have been down. What was?
That the ball up here, but maybe the knee was down.
That sucked. That was good for our slider
because the the 79 yard slider that we have, like if he hits
like a 45 yard or you're not going to get there, he just got
like a 30 yard catch. He can get there in two catches.
Now tell me that was Oh, that's out.
What is he doing with? The oh, was his left elbow down
quick enough? Nah, I think it was.
It only just started moving out. Yeah, wasn't.
Out, but you'd have to say he had possession here.
He didn't. That's clearly out.
Oh man, shit. That is gross.
What do you what? So what's your what's your read
on this team? This, this Packers team?
Sam I feel like they have been. There's so many different
versions of this team. It's it's gone in waves all
season, right. So like the first couple games,
you know, tough game against the Eagles, I forget who they play,
play Week 2 and then Love gets hurt.
And so you've got Malik Willis for a couple games.
So it's like, well, this team and the, the offense
specifically is not representative what they were
going to be long term with love. I mean, the passage of
expectation was like -30 or something in those two games.
And and then Love comes back, you could tell he's not like
100%. And both sides of the ball were
very big play driven. Like they were getting a ton of
turnovers. Like they had multiple turnovers
I think in like the first five or six games that they had.
And that was not the recipe. For the Tigers defense,
generating them the. Defense, yeah, I mean Zebra
McKinney had interception in like each of the 1st 5 or 6
games on on his own and so they weren't very good on a down to
down basis and they were getting exposed with these these big
plays but it's gotten a little bit more consistent lately.
I think they're on the upward trajectory on a whole, but I
think still like just outside of that top tier teams, yeah.
Yeah, they've been, they've been an interesting one for the
playoff basketball stuff because you can kind of play them as
like a bye week cover team, but then like maybe they do make
they're. Good enough to make the run.
Yeah, yeah, they're good. I mean they.
They've been moving up in price. Right.
They're not, they're not necessarily playing amazing
tonight, but like none of us would be shocked if they went
into Detroit and won tonight, right?
Like it would. And Detroit needs to win this
game. They're only two games behind
Minnesota's in between them. This is a really competitive
division. And they could do that in the
playoffs. They could go into Detroit and
beat Detroit in the playoffs. I, I, I mean, that wouldn't be,
there's not a lot of teams. That wouldn't be shocking.
No. No.
Well, and I think that's why this season has felt like such a
let down because we watched them get hot last year in the
playoffs and just look unbeatable.
Aaron Jones was rolling. You know, it it just like it
feels like we've taken a step back.
For sure, yeah, they can. They can punch their weight and
and certainly compete with the best teams.
I think again, it's if that sort of streakiness comes back and,
and they're relying on, again, big plays on on offense and
defense, that's when you're either going to hit the top 4
three straight games and, and make the Super Bowl, or you're
just going to hit the bottom for one game and, and the season's
over. So Speaking of that first point,
how did it feel to watch this team against the Cowboys?
That was one of the best offensive playoff performances
we've seen in a really long time.
They dismantled that Cowboy defense.
That was so the so that game was phenomenal.
And then it sort of felt like we were playing with house money
after that when we played the 49ers the following week.
And it just it was frustrating because we could have won that
game. It was with it, it was within
reach. And it's like, OK, if we think
about like, you know, it's tough to do this.
Like if you think about like the way the season went as a whole,
the main goal was to figure out is Jordan Love the guy?
Like is he going to be Roger's replacement or are we going to
need to go a different direction?
We figured that out. And again, it was nice to be
able to get playoff experience for this team that's extremely
young and doesn't have a ton of experience overall, much less in
the playoffs. So getting that beat down
though, especially against Dallas was was very entertaining
there. It wasn't Intel like probably
the start of the fourth quarter where I was like, deep breath,
like, OK, we actually are not going to blow this well, because
the Cowboys were coming back hard.
That's the game where, I mean, Dak threw 60 passes in that
game. I mean, yeah, Ferguson had the
whatever it was 3 touchdowns. Yeah.
And he was, I think he was third on the team in the receiving
yards, if I remember exactly right.
Like I think Gallup had 100 yards and Liam had 100 yards or
close to it. And, and, but Ferguson had the
three TDs. I mean, because when you get 60
pass attempts, that's going to happen.
But that was a wild game. That was a really fun game.
He says it's so weird because the Cowboys always show up in
the playoffs. I was, I was so disappointed
because I'm going to Monday Night Football, Cowboys and and
Bengals on Monday. And so like when DAC initially
got hurt, when he initially got hurt, he went on IR and I was
like, oh, it'll be perfect. He'll be back in four games for
this. And then of course they iced him
down. But now like looking at the
total and how fun this Bengals team has been as far as both
their defense sucking and their offense, I'm like this game
could still be pretty fun as far.
As scoring Cooper. Rush is not like he had, I don't
remember which what his first start was.
Like he didn't play well in his first start, but he's played
like semi competent quarterbacking.
Like he's not the worst quarterback in the league right
now. So I think, yeah.
Especially like Aaron Rodgers is right now.
To be honest, they're both just like getting the ball out.
Super shallow, super quick. Don't hit me.
Yeah. So if if Lamb is playing, then
there's a chance that they, I don't think they'll beat
Cincinnati, but we'll be able to take advantage of that defense
for a couple tries at least. You basically want him to do
what Jake Browning was doing for the Bengals at this time last
year, right where he was just that's good enough playing it
around and he was having enough fun to make it fantasy friendly.
Yeah, that's a really good comp. When, what?
How many? Have you been to a bunch of
games at Lambeau? Honestly, I could probably count
on like one hand how many times games I bet 2IN person I did.
The most notable game I went to was the year that they won the
Super Bowl in 20 in the 2010 season, yeah.
Yeah. I think the the first Giants
game that they played in the regular season, it was like they
needed to start winning in that game to win out, to get into the
playoffs and then gone to win. So I was at that Giants game and
that was that was pretty, that was right in the middle of the
Giants being a really good team. I mean, Giants won in 2011.
They won the year. After 2011, yeah. 2007 as well,
so that was right between the two Giants wins.
Their D line was really good. Although the Giants were always
like, kind of, you know, they were really good those years.
They made those runs. Yeah, they were.
But I mean, they were one of the best teams in the NFC for that
whole like five year period. Like they could beat anyone.
They could they? Could they?
Could beat anybody. They're kind of like Packers are
now. Really.
It's like they, yeah, you couldn't sleep on them.
They had so many good pass rushers.
I mean, if you're able to rush for, I mean, that's why they
went and beat the undefeated Patriots in 2007, right?
Like, yeah, you could rush for that.
It was Justin Tuck, then it was Strahan, and then it was what,
like Pierre Paul and and human Yora and like all the just like
defensive ends for days at that era for for the for the Giants.
Yeah, that was a fun run. That 2007 season.
That's probably the earliest Packers memory I have was maybe
it was Farb's last game as a Packer when the Packers lost to
the Giants in the NFC Championship because of a
Lawrence Tynes game-winning field goal.
And I was, I had, I had to have been in high school at that
point and I got was livid. I would how did we lose this
game? We were going to be the team to
go in and beat the undefeated Patriots.
And my dad said you have 10 minutes to be pissed off and
then you can then you need to stop.
And that was a great lesson. That was a great lesson.
Like in terms of tilting is like you have 10 minutes.
You can do whatever, you know, break anything but like that.
Is good, yeah. I could have used 10 minutes to
be mad at Dad to tell me that a few different times in my life.
Some days it's easier to follow than others, but sure.
So that was a 30 tilt hard. Half the games I've watched.
Oh yeah. I was thinking the other night
how fun it would have been if we had a ship cast for that Browns
Broncos game that just went absolutely nuts.
Like if you had sliders on the Browns that night.
Like literally every slider hit is every what?
Well, there you go. Let's talk about the 60 pass
attempt game. Jameis Winston threw 58 in that
game, second most in the NFL this season, only behind Cousins
In our Thursday night game where we got them in OT, right?
They get a nice reporter. He threw 59 in that game.
But the I mean, when Jameis throws 58 passes, Jerry Judy had
a top five yardage game in the last decade and he was third on
his team in targets. That's insane.
Oh my God. Dude, that's crazy.
That is wild. That's an insane stack, Yeah.
Because what, the Joker had 17 targets?
I want to put that in the walk. No, it didn't.
Tweet it. It was Joko had 17, Elijah Moore
had 14, Judy had 13. They all were 13 plus and Judy
was third and he had 235 yards. That's.
Crazy. So Sam with your.
Gig. And signals do the signals.
All right, I'll cite signals. Are you, are you basically not
allowed to play any fantasy for money kind of now or what's the,
what's the stipulations there? I don't think fantasy is an
issue, I haven't checked on that.
It's mainly just like different certain sports books.
I can't bet at There's some weird rules at that with like
odd sharing and stuff like that so.
That makes sense. It's nice you still can grind
fantasy. Did you do any FFPC or high
stakes or anything this year? Yeah, I've got, I did a couple
of the the fantasy pros leagues. I've got one team in the finals
right now that has a decent chance to win.
I'm already in. I'll be in the the postseason 3
weeks Sprint for that team. But I think the guy I'm playing
as, I'm on raw so nice that he's not done much so.
Far now, our rooting interests are not aligned.
We want Almanado to do really well.
Honestly we just need the 71 receiving yard 72 and then he
can he can chill. We've had a habit this year of
bringing on fans and teams and actively rooting them for our
players. So if Almanado is a big catch,
you're going to join that list. I mean, it's the thing for me
over the last this is probably like the last five years, like
the I still love the Packers, like they're my the team I root
the most for. But especially like having
covered like fantasy sports and betting, all that sort of stuff.
Like you learn to appreciate like the other players, even on
the Bears or on the Vikings and stuff like that.
And it's you know, it's weird to talk about it to my Homer Packer
friends because they're like the bears suck.
No, no, no, no, or my dad, like my dad will do the same shit.
And it's but it's you know, I love watching Jamir Gibbs like
he's so fun. He's top three to four running
back in the league right now. And it's just, you know, you see
what the Lions just offense wise are doing is super fun to watch.
So like, again, I get emotionally invested for like
playoff games and stuff like that, but a regular season game,
not quite. Everyone says that about, you
know, the fantasy space and working in.
And I remember when I was new in the fancy space hearing that and
being like, well, that's not going to happen to me.
And then it totally did too. I mean, it's, yeah, it's hard to
be this engaged with the the players in the storylines on the
individual level and. But you root for teams.
I mean, like, I like the lines. I like, I like everything.
They're, they're really well constructed.
I think like I, I think Campbell's an awesome head
coach. I love their offense.
Like I like your players think that that the players are really
fun. So like when this eventually
kind of comes apart, I don't give a shit about the Lions
branch. Right.
Yeah. Like I'm going to go.
Find something else. But it's so funny because it's
like you want, you want the, if you have your own team, you want
the team to do the things that you think makes sense and you
kind of root for that. And the hardest thing is when
you have like, you know, like the Seattle Mariners here, I'm
actually wearing a Seattle Mariners shirt.
Seattle Mariners out here have an owner who won't spend money.
And everyone knows that they, they don't care that they make
like the second most money of any Major League team because we
have this whole region and we sell a ton of apparel.
Everyone in Oregon and Idaho and everything is, is Mariners fans.
So we make a, a shit ton of money.
The Mariners do actually they're second in some stat, I don't
know, non ticket revenue or something like that.
But we don't spend any money. We don't we don't sign anybody.
And it's like the most frustrating thing as a fan.
But like you want the team to be run the way that you would run
it. It's like the horse.
We play fantasy football and all that.
So when you see a team like the Lions and you like this is all
the fun shit that I. Yeah, this is what I want.
Yeah, this is like of course. Because I like it.
Yeah. This is what I'm.
Yeah. Well.
That's the whole thing that sucks with traditional fandom,
right? And like Sam's saying, there's
all these fun storylines, these fan players to root for.
And if you like, section yourself off to where you're not
able to enjoy all those things and only one team wins the Super
Bowl each year and you're just miserable, like for the entire
existence of your fandom, it's like, what are you even doing
interacting with the sport? It's just making you miserable.
Like, aren't you going to allow yourself to enjoy some parts of
it? I grew up.
For, for fans, like for playing fantasy football or or betting
or or whatever, whatever, whatever you're doing, you know,
you, you're, you're rooting for the players on these specific
teams and like you want those outcomes to be ideal,
especially, you know, once you're starting in these these
high stakes leagues and and stuff like that, like real money
on the line. I, I don't care if the Packers
win or lose, I want Jordan Love to throw 4 touchdown passes,
right? And, and so there's a little bit
of, of difference there. Like whether the Packers win or
lose has no bearing on my, you know, real life day-to-day, you
know, unless I have some of these guys in fantasy.
And so that's that goes back a little bit to to, you know, if
the Packers win, like I won't be upset about that.
I'll be a little bit upset if I'm on Rod goes off tonight.
But that's that's a little bit different.
So the the guy historical anomalies in the chat says try
being a bearish fan. There's so many different teams
that that have that Detroit. I was thinking about this
recently, like they have the Tigers and the Pistons.
Those teams have not been good for a long time, like the the
Lions being good here. They they also have not been
good for a long time like Detroit, like a faithful Detroit
fan has been living their whole life not having anything to root
for. And I like as a Mariner guy.
The Mariners won, tied in an MLB record 116 wins in 2001, lost in
the LCS to the Yankees during the Yankees dynasty.
Derek Jeter and all that. We thought we had the best team
of all time, not just of that year.
Didn't even make the World Series and then didn't return to
the playoffs for 21 seasons. I was 14.
The next two years they won like 90 games.
They were good, but they missed the playoffs because their
division was really good. That was the Moneyball A's and
like the Angels were good and other teams.
So they were like one of the best teams in the AL.
But the AL West was really tough.
So they missed the playoffs both years and then they just got bad
for like decades. I was I grew up a big baseball
fan. You're talking Pete's put
comment about wanted to like how you interact with the sport.
I, just like in my 20s, wanted to be able to go to a playoff
baseball game and have a beer and watch my team, and I
couldn't tell I went to their playoff game in 2022 when I was.
35 I hadn't. Gone to a playoff base?
Oh my God. I I don't know if I respect or
just like don't at all understand like people who stick
with fandom for like these teams that are just not not even doing
things optimal love you have. All day.
Yeah, I, I was a Cleveland baseball fan because my dad was.
So I they kind of similar to you, Ben 95.
They go to the Super or they go to the they go to the World
Series. Right.
My Mariners back then were sick, too.
Like I grew up a Buffy fan. Yeah.
Yeah, no, I mean, I remember back back in the day, Griffey
was amazing. Yeah.
Yeah, I, you know, I was in Delaware.
So there's a fair amount of Mariners fans in Delaware.
Griffey was that level. They go to the World Series in
97, lose again, then long stretch of nothing, then they go
to the World Series, but it's them versus the Cubs.
So everyone's like, oh, the Cubs.
Like it's been so long once it's the 50s, like don't give it all
to the Cubs. Yeah, that was a that was a wild
World Series where it was like whoever.
Wins it's going to break a long ass turn launchers, but no one
but it was like 50 more years for the Cubs.
It wasn't like it wasn't close, but it was also like so painful,
like because then you lose and then everyone's like, this is so
heart warming. Like this fucking blows.
The number of. The number of people who like
truly understand that 50 year difference is so small so.
For everyone alive, it's the same.
Amount Almost every Cleveland baseball fan has been suffering
their whole life. Too, like there's nobody else.
Yeah, yeah, it's so it's just anyway.
So I haven't really followed the the Cleveland Guardian since
then. I don't think about on.
I mean, part of is I, I kind of got bored of baseball, but yeah.
We're going to get a Josh Jacobs team now.
This is Can. We can we get a Jordan Love QB
sneak that that's. Like.
Frustrating. He was so open, Tucker, Kraft
and he he rushed the throw. No pressure in the pocket at
all. And Kraft wasn't near the
sideline. It wasn't like he was going to
lead him out of bounds. He didn't need to to rush the
throw. He had time to just kind of
teardrop it in. Maybe a sneak here?
I'm playing against him in a massive FFPC game too.
Jacobs that's. So fucking.
Frustrating to your point, I I don't give a shit about our our
I mean I care about our pick comes but like the the fandom
stuff, I don't care about all that.
But like the FAPC stuff will piss you off, right?
Sean and I have a team that are in the championship.
We missed the auto bid by like 7 or eight points.
We scored 240 points last week. Sean says the most he's ever
scored on FFPC. He's been doing a lot longer
than I. Have you lost a head to head?
No, we won, but now we have we also have to win this week to
make the Sprint. We have this team that's capable
of putting up that type of score right now and winning the
overall like it's a Bowers, Judy, but it's got a ton.
One of really good players. Playing against Jacobs tonight.
I was hoping Jacobs would have a gun and that was frustrating,
Yeah. You see Neil Harley's comment
said he decided to become AT Walls fan as a kid and they
immediately traded KG and never. Oh man.
But it's it's there's the, you know, it's sort of the age-old
debate of like, you know, would you rather be a team or a fan of
a team that is consistently like the bottom of the barrel or one
that is getting super close but never wins the championship,
right. I.
Think you'd rather? I.
Would deeply frustrating but. I would lean gets close but yeah
gets close is way better. You got to have some level of
hope. Because you, you're going to
have those runs and they're painful.
But like if like the 49ers the last few years, like you're,
you're saying you'd rather you trade that away for like it's no
doubt the again to the Mariners, like they, they never won
anything my whole life. I was a Viking fan growing up.
They never won anything. But like the Vikings got close
several times. The Mariners got close several
times. I loved those years.
They were super painful. The fucking 20 year drought for
the Mariners. I didn't enjoy it all.
I just wanted to quit watching baseball.
Like I just lost my love from the sport, like Pete was saying,
like if that's all your engagement is with the sport,
you lose your appreciation for the sport.
I think it's fascinating. You look at fantasy football
analysts, they live in cities where teams are good.
Have you guys ever noticed this? There's a lot of like Boston
area fantasy analysts and there's because they're into the
sport range. But yeah, like the Patriots were
a dynasty, right? And so there's a lot of people
that were really into football and then they get more into the
sport, they get more into the the numbers and then they become
a fantasy animal. This is an interesting theory.
I I heard Pat was going to move to New England just to be closer
to Drake. May is.
That right I might. Yeah, that's how you want to get
me back on the East Coast, although they got to get rid of
Mayo. That's that's my situation.
Bring it, bring in a a real head coach and I'll and I'll be open
minded about it and and Ben Pelt.
I've got Reed in this match up too.
I forgot we have Reed on this team.
This is a McBride, Bowers team, Jamar Chase.
It's got Bucky Irving on it and it's got Kyron Reed, Judy.
We have Jameson Williams on the bench, Jordan Addison on the
bench, Tank Dell on the bench. I mean, we have such a good
fucking team. It's not going to make the
Sprint if we don't win this week.
I'm very nervous about it. It's my big sweat this week.
Yeah, that's so. Those dynamics are so brutal.
Yeah, I mean, it scores that type of a week last week and
you're like this team can win the overall million.
I mean it, it has the potential, right.
I mean, McBride Bowers in tight end premium, you know you can
get multiple 10 catch games there, right?
Absolutely. Like that's yeah, this week.
And probably McBride scores. I mean, if he has the game he
did last time they played Seattle and he scores a
touchdown and he's breaking. The right.
Yeah. Well, that would be sick.
Well, I mean, I need that to get through this week, so I'll take
it. But yeah, I'm even just thinking
what they can do in 15 to to 17. I mean, we'll, we'll see.
Whatever. It's not over.
I'm so tilted. Great.
Good, So that's a big drink we rushed.
To one and five times. We've won the Wildcats.
You wouldn't even be allowed to throw my fantasy teams would be.
That would be you guys would love me as a coach because I'd
still be thinking about fantasy. I wouldn't be trying to win
these games. I'm just trying to rack up
fantasy points. Did you guys ever follow the, I
think it's called like the fan controlled football or something
like that. Do you guys ever?
Yeah. Did you follow that at all?
Right. Yeah.
That was that was pretty wild. I'm pretty sure Jack Settlement
was doing something with one of those.
He was. And they were.
Yeah, they were. The fans would call the plays.
Yeah, yeah. That's crazy.
Look at Gibbs, man. Is that Gibbs or Monty?
Monty, OK. All numbers.
Look the same. That's a that's a testament to
Monty, though, that I thought his his sidestepping, lateral
agility there was Gibbs. One of the best things a
backfield can have is 2 running backs with completely different
aesthetics. It makes rooting so much easier.
Like Derrick Henry at Justice Hill.
Yeah, yeah. That that that would count, I
would say. That well, and then you get into
to college football and some of those guys don't even have like
names on the back of their yeah. Go Jamo, nice ball.
Let's get this game cooking. That was like one of those
balls. I was like, oh, he kind of blew
that, but he fired it in so hot that it actually was a good
throw speed on that Monty with the catch.
Yeah, there's a point for the that's nice for us.
Fantasy points, yeah. How are we looking on the pickup
speed? Yeah, the core.
So Montgomery is here. I can screen share.
Cause we've been getting, we've been chipping away at it.
Montgomery is at 10.2 so he's getting real close.
Love. Oh God, that swing on that
touchdown is going to sting. He's 3.68 and I'm on Ross still
at 10. OK.
Did you guys see this cornerback just walk across the line of
scrimmage there? There was I don't know if it was
an art an article. I think there was an article
match time in the athletic. I mean the Packers have lined up
offsides like literally just lined up offsides like four
times in the past two weeks. I mean, it's, I think it's been
like the edge guys a couple of times were there 1/2 yard
offsides at the snap and it just, I don't know, like what
they're looking at that they don't see that they're like so
far in front of the ball. More Monty.
Oh yeah. Monty Monty's doing it.
He's doing. It Jamo is cooking too.
Yeah, that's that's why we're out of Courtney.
Yeah, yeah. We had him on the core, then we
took him out for Monty. Yeah.
So what they the real answer was both of them in the core, Yeah.
Exactly. La porta.
Are you gonna, are you gonna miss doing some of the more kind
of fantasy data viz type stuff you had been doing for a long
time, Sam? If I'm being honest, like my
life or I guess my focus and attention has become much more
on the betting side of things just in general, because it
gives me a much quicker feedback loop.
I guess like, you know, fantasy, you got to wait all season for
it. Like I'm doing some of the
again, these FFPC leagues on my own and like by week 4 I'm like,
I don't want to do waivers right now.
I can't. These ship chasing guys aren't
telling me how much to bid on these players.
Like it's. Don't blame us.
And. But yeah, it's just it's you're
able to analyze things, you're able to pick and choose like
what specifically, you know, you want to bet on.
You can't. I don't need to focus on.
Steph, except at this point she does tell you what to bid.
Articles on legendary upside Sam check it out.
Yeah, there you. Go.
But yeah, I mean, it's, it's also because it's, I'm able to
apply it to other sports too, right?
Like they're, and there's obviously fantasy basketball and
baseball, but I could never imagine doing doing those.
Those are way too much work. So it's I, I've I've enjoyed the
the betting analysis a little bit more lately.
Yeah, that's cool. It's nice too when you when you
built up that skill set and then you can go apply it in different
arenas. Obviously you're still sports,
but you know, there's a lot of similarities, but also probably
a lot of things that make it feel super fresh.
Yeah, and that was that was one of the, you know, nice things
about my my prior roles both at Fantasy Bros and and vet spurts
was getting to work on on different sports.
And, you know, by the end of the NFL season, I think part of the
fatigue in NFL came from the content because it was just
like, OK, I got to write this article again.
I've got to come up with like new things to analyze and, and
all that sort of stuff. And it felt it felt like a chore
at sometimes to just, you know, put out or write paragraphs to
write them sometimes. And so once the NFL season
ended, being able to then go focus on on basketball or focus
on baseball or something like that and get.
Sort of a. Reset in terms of what I'm
actually looking at. So but now I think like, again,
focusing solely on football, I'll also be able to like use
like just watching basketball as like more of a hobby than
feeling like it's part of my job.
Makes any sense? No, I I use F1 for that.
I it's just like I don't try to predict anything.
I'm just here for the vibes. Yeah, you know, yeah.
Are you just doing football? Yep, all football, all the time.
And so that that the thing I'm excited about, I'm getting a
little warm here, but the thing I'm excited about is like
getting way more in the weeds into football and football
analysis because only you don't by having to focus on these
other sports or focusing on the other sports, it takes away time
from like truly getting into what are the Super deep things.
To look at SO. The biggest bummer though, with
you not doing fantasy anymore, is we lose probably the greatest
article name in the industry. Hopping the yeah, yeah, quite
honestly the best thing that I've contributed.
To this. Was the name like?
Scrapbaiting. Sites.
The name was. Yeah.
Two good tops here. Yeah, you can still you can
still be hopping on on ship chasing streams whenever.
We'll we'll take that Boom. Yeah, I don't know why Packers
aren't calling time out here, but.
They really should be. I was kind of with our with
those split core pluses we have. It'd be kind of nice to get the
Gibbs tuddy keep him on basically.
Or his fantasy points. It would be nice, yeah, for
sure. Because I'm I'm not worried
about Monty. No Monty's good.
We need what? Alman, Rob, We need to get the
Packers receivers going. The Packers passing game is
pissing me off right now. Yeah, Sam.
Speak for, speak for, for that because we're pissed and it's
your team. You're wearing their shirt and
so you need to answer to us now. So I, I was having a
conversation with a buddy a couple weeks ago about like who
is Jordan Love? And I don't know if you guys
follow him. JP Acosta, great, just NFL
analyst posted a, a picture of gosh, I'm gonna I think I'm
gonna mess up the names. What it is Charmander Chameleon
Charizard is Chameleon the second one, the second Pokémon
in the evolution. I probably I think it was
Charmelian. Charmelian.
Charmelian, Yeah. But it was I think it was Will
Levis was the Charmander, Jameis Winston's was Charmeleon and
Jordan Love was Charizard, which like makes a lot of sense.
Yeah, I like, I think it's a good lineage type thing.
I mean people making the wait wait.
Sorry, it was Levis and then. James, I think, I think the.
Levis Jameis Love which makes I. Think this year it might be.
It might be Winston Darnold love is Donald Donald is a similar
vibe is really my. He's down.
They just did a golf snake. He did not score.
They're going to have to use another time out as a result.
How do they call that a TD? That was very clearly not a
touchdown live. But in any case, like Love can
make all the throws. Yeah, he can do all that.
He still has the bone headed decisions that you know.
He's throwing off his back foot. He can, you know, launch it into
a a bucket 50 yards down the field.
But I think it's just a little bit more consistency that you
get from him then someone like a Winston.
And, and honestly, a lot of that probably has to do with
Leffler's scheme and helping create that higher floor.
Yeah. The floor is a really good
coach, I think. He's I remember 3 weeks in the
last season people were calling. For his job.
Because I think the backers are like, oh, and two, one and two
or something like that. And did you guys hear today that
isn't that great? People are calling for Kyle
Shanahan's job in San Francisco. Really.
Isn't that isn't that nuts? There are San Francisco fans
that want Shanahan out. That is crazy to me.
That's. People call for every job
everywhere. There was also, oh, I read there
are Seahawks fans that want Mike McDonald and Ryan Grubb.
Both of them and someone. That doesn't make any sense to
me either. A Seahawks blog that was like,
is Ryan Grubb already? Going to be replaced.
Or is he coaching for his job the rest of the year?
And I was like, it hasn't even crossed my mind that he might be
replaced. I hadn't even thought of that
once. That sucked because now we don't
get the Packers drive coming back.
They might go for it though. Yeah, well, there's going to be
15 seconds. Oh.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I wanted them to score so we
could get some passes that just took snaps off the off the game
total basically. Here's a here's a question I'll
post to the group You are starting A-Team tomorrow.
Same roster I'm already tired thinking about.
This probably a lot of work, Sam.
Beats become such a dad over the last year.
I love in the last couple years, I kind of want to tire going on
right now I. Just like like a lot of work.
Damn, it's like I'm starting A-Team.
I'm going to bed instead. I I could barely deal with the
chat, You want me to deal with the entire fan?
Base right now. Jeez.
All right, anyways. Would you treat?
Kyle Shanahan or Ben Johnson as your head coach?
Good question. I think you'd have to take
Shanahan because I think. Jenny.
Johnson already said Shanahan too.
Right. I need someone who's willing to
relocate for this new team that I'm.
Starting right, Jonathan's going to going to leave me at the
altar anyway, so I can't take him.
There are there's a long list of really good coordinators that
couldn't handle the rigors of the head coaching job.
That's a different role and and Shanahan's shown her ability to
handle. The head coaching, I completely
agree. I completely agree.
Yeah, I was on about the Process podcast a couple weeks ago and
we. Had Oh yeah, I was gonna.
Give. There it is there it is. 4th and
goal, yeah, but then. It's awesome for us.
Yeah, well, we didn't do that on 2nd and goal.
We didn't get any plays coming back.
The Lions play that so well to score right before half.
Yeah, they're such a they took a a possession away from their
opponent, which that's my head coach football.
That's a game of a possession right there.
No, but Sam, I was super. Dan Campbell.
When I saw you on that podcast, how was?
That you're taking Ben Johnson? I am.
And so there's this whole like leadership ability to handle the
head coach responsibilities aspect that you, one, can't
quantify. And two, you only like hear
about it with like the best of the best, like the Mike Tomlins
of the world or the worst of the worst, the guys that are like on
the outs of their job. Yes.
And so that is obviously an unknown for for Ben Johnson.
I think if you match up Shanahan and Johnson's scheme and what
they're able to do to elevate an offense, I think it's kind of a
wash. And you're going to get similar
output if you have the same set of players from those two
coaches. I think Shanahan's in game
decision making leaves a lot to be desired in terms of.
You. Know the 4th down stuff?
Time out usage leaving players in when they're up 21 points.
Kind of playing to win in certain cases like.
He's a little more, yeah. He's a donkey about that stuff,
man. Yeah.
Leaving the players. He kind of is a donkey about
that, yeah. And that's obviously an unknown
from Ben Johnson because he's not the one making those
decisions. But my thought process is
there's a very good likelihood he's better than Shanahan in
that situation and has learned from Dan Campbell doing making
those optimal decisions. He might even be elite, like
you're saying it's a good likelihood because Shanahan's
low on the bar. Yeah, but he might even be very
good. Maybe he's who's influenced
Campbell on a lot of this. Remember the first year that
Campbell was a head coach? He made some.
Bad 4th down although he had who was his who was his OC that
year? The dude from the Chargers,
Anthony Lynn had coach of the Yeah, Anthony Lynn.
Anthony Lynn was his OC the. What about Ben?
Johnson's gone. Ben Johnson's.
Off furthers the idea that Ben Johnson might have been the
thing that made them more font, right?
I think that's a very plausible theory for sure.
But what would you take? Shanahan or Dan Campbell?
Ben Johnson's off somewhere else.
Shanahan But I think Sam's convinced me that Ben Johnson is
the because I think people don't make enough decisions for a
wide, wide range of outcomes, high ceiling decisions and
everything in life, right. And so even with a coaching
higher, what Sam's making the case is Shanahan's a really good
coach, but he's also maybe capped.
And Ben Johnson, yeah, it's a bit of a higher.
School or low ceiling? Right.
And I, I think he sold me on Ben Johnson, but I think I'm still
taking Shanahan over. I think Campbell doesn't get
enough credit. I think what he's built in
Detroit is is pretty amazing. Yeah, I would lean.
So this is really tough. I think I would go with Shanahan
because I think you're going to so often his scheme makes up
four and makes the decision making irrelevant.
And you know you, we've seen what he's done with some of
these quarterbacks and his ability to raise their floor so
much where like these decisions happen like three to four times
a game at most. And so there's a way to learn
that now he has, and I don't think he ever will.
There's a chance he learns that like Dan Campbell is never going
to get on Shanahan's level in terms of of scheming and stuff
like that. And so, but Kyle Shanahan took
Mr. Irrelevant and Jimmy Go, they have a sick.
He took. Jimmy Garoppolo, Mr. Irrelevant
to Super Bowls in the last decade?
Yeah, yeah, that's fucking crazy.
They they got Jared Goff for free in a trade and now he's,
you know, incredible for them. So that's I guess my thing with
Campbell. Campbell, because he's a tough
guy. He's like treated like he's a
defensive guy. He was a tight end.
He's an offensive guy. I know that is.
And so I'm wondering, like, I'm actually curious because
Johnson's probably going to leave after the end of the
season. I hope, I hope personally, the
Lions win the Super Bowl. Johnson, you know, takes that as
like his leave to go start his own thing somewhere else.
And we get this, this system kind of branching out.
But I think the lines are going to be fine when when Johnson
goes. Not to not to say anything bad
about Johnson. I think he's awesome.
But I think Dan Campbell is a big part of the success they're
having here too, and that they'll bring in someone who's
like going to be doing some of the work for Dan, but like is in
line with with the kind of the concepts they put in place here.
And I have no idea like what the Lions organizational structure
is, but I would imagine they go like the promoting from within
route of someone who's worked under Ben Johnson for has he
been there 3-4 years now? And so it's kind of like the
Rams were like, obviously Mcveigh's the one calling the
offense, but like, they're people under him learning from
him and going on to call solid offenses on other teams.
Yeah, Mcveigh's gotten gotten poached as much as Shanahan in
terms of his guys. We got to hit these pick'em
streets, guys. This is a great.
Combo. Yeah, the chat is is frothy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I got to run the bathroom and
we'll be back. OK, Sam.
What do you think is going to happen in the second-half of
this game? So Green Bay gets the ball to
start the half right. OK.
Yeah, I don't know that they do. Yeah, I think right.
Yeah. Lions had the ball for the mid.
Lions on the right. Yeah, that's right.
I like, I think I said that like hesitantly and then I got
confused. This Amon raw receiving line is
like hilariously low. For how aggressive they are,
right? The name of that?
2626 1/2 yards for. Him, I mean also the receptions,
he's got 2. He's definitely catching three
more balls in the second-half. You kidding me?
He's never. When's the last time he's had
first halves where he had two catches and then he catches a
lot of balls in the second-half. Like they go back, they don't
forget about almond raw. They go back to him.
That's my take at least. Yeah.
I'm like, I'm looking at the stat real quick because I don't
know. I love that, Pete.
I love. Or you can do the yards.
I mean both of them are. Also, we got to, I think we got
to get some Jordan Love stuff because I he's, he's not going
to hit his, his slider yardage that we we have for him.
But he is going to throw a lot in the second-half now.
Exactly. I don't know if they do if they
score a touchdown on this first drive.
Like unless it becomes a shootout, like he only attempted
7. He's fucking 3 for seven right
now. Yeah, dude.
It's it's disgusting. He has 37 passing yards.
So like, I think they came in with a game plan to to run the
ball and take advantage of that injured Lions front 7 and it's
working well for them. I mean, Jacobs is averaging 5
yards of Gary 5 1/2. I'm in hell.
So if this remains a neutral script, I don't.
You know they drop back more than completions.
Yeah. That is crazy.
I thought I saw more than. That they they kind of gave up
after those first couple of drives where.
Yeah, I'm in a cat. And then Aston and then yeah,
man, I guess they've had a lot of penalties that have moved
them up, but not a lot of actual completions.
Reid dropped that one that he should have caught, so now he's
got 0. Yeah, it's hard to get excited
about much of the their passing game right now, but but the the,
the the market still thinks he's going to he's going to check it
20 plus times in this in the second-half.
He's at 7 attempts and it's set at 27 and a.
Half they are trailing by 10. I love the the Amman raw one.
Yeah. Do we do the yards?
We I have receptions and right now I'm good with either.
Do yards. That's that's better.
I mean, he could have a long catch.
Yeah, he he can break 1. They're ahead.
If he just has a long catch, maybe the volume won't be there.
I feel like Love's going over 200 passing yards in this game.
I mean, I, yeah. I'm down, I'm down.
Why don't do you guys want like a redemption arc on like the
Watson? Obviously we can't do the
sliders but it's like I feel like that could hit but not hit
our our. Slider from the from the.
Start or him or I mean pick a receiver if you like a receiver
a a different. Receiver What's read at.
I I I mean I I'm already like in a tank for read.
I feel like the read stuff is driving me insane.
Yeah. The only issue is obviously
we're gonna get the correlation doc on this.
So not like the 6X because we can't slide to offset stuff.
Honestly, like playing a touchdown on this one, picking
who we think's gonna score a touchdown might actually be the
better way to play this 3 legger.
OK. Because what?
About What's Craft touchdown. Craft is oh they don't have it
weird. Watson's 1.79 reads 1.5 to
Jacobs they don't have. I guess those would be the only
really viable. Did Jacobs?
Did Jacobs have a more pics thing there?
Where is he? Yeah, the craft touchdown.
Oh yeah, I wish they had that. Yeah, but no touchdown.
Yeah. What's craft fantasy points?
Do they have that? No, they don't do fantasy points
at halftime. And we get the doc, I guess.
Yeah. Yeah, we, I mean, one thing you
could do is like we could run this twice, once with a Reed
touchdown and once with a Watson touchdown.
I like that. Sure.
And then we get some decent that gets us a 10X on it.
So it'll be like a 10X and a nine X.
And we're just have a pretty clean script here.
Love it. Yeah, that's nice.
Because we're doing obviously love throwing a lot in the
second-half. And would you like, Sam gave us
some really smart advice and we're saying no, we're just
going to go ahead and play all over us.
Got to swing for the fences, Sam.
You can't hit a home run, take a bunts.
That's the way it works. I guess.
Technically, yeah. I I have a brilliant idea for
this person who says then it'll be Wick scoring the TD.
You should run this pick em but with Wick scoring the TD and
then and then you'll win. I like.
Such a. Crazy.
It's such a crazy idea, but that's what's it's That would be
incredible. It'd be great.
A person would wind up very happy.
Man, I don't know how I thought of that.
The love fantasy points in the core and then like the the TD
that you talked about with The thing is like if they don't
score on the 1st drive and then the Lions go back and score on
their drive, they're going to be down 17.
And we've seen the Packers get just start chucking the ball
when they're down right, right. That that's your out right now.
That's what I think looks. Like the Lions are going to keep
coming, right? Like what's going to?
What's going to slow? Them down they're not afraid to
put 50 points no, especially again this game vision rival in
prime time. I I mentioned earlier I took the
over on 51 1/2 this game at 24 in the first half.
So you're saying A48I, I feel like I still like the over this
game's like that was a stuff like a slow first half.
A lot of possessions got stopped.
If I had the inner I'd be sweating, but yeah, points were
scored. Yeah.
And they're going to be more in the second-half like it's what's
the live right now over under, It's probably right.
Around good question. It's at 50, so yeah, it's a
point and a half. It's come down a little bit, but
I feel like the second-half could get.
I mean, it could be slow. The Packers can play slow.
The Lions can have slow, long drives when leading.
If they want to run the ball, the.
Other thing is right, we haven't had the one speed the game up
play right. Both these teams have the
playmakers right to give us that one play that gets it, gets it
going. Yeah, the chunk plays are coming
man. Loves having their I mean loves
having trouble getting the ball downfield.
They've dropped back the three for 7 is so crazy to me because
they have dropped back a decent amount.
Yeah, here scramble. He had.
I don't know how many times he got sacked.
They've had a lot of scrambles. They've had a lot of passes
that, yeah, I mean, it's been. Are you still in?
You still live in Chicago, Sam. Yeah, yeah.
So a couple weeks ago I went over to a friend's place to
watch the Bears game adorning my Packers attire.
And then two minutes before the game was about to end I was
trying to think about how I could hide my Packer attire on
my walk home. And then they blocked the kick
and I made sure I everyone could see it on the walk home.
So got about four go, pack goes on the way home.
There you go. Yeah, it's always wild to me how
I mean, up here in Seattle, we're not close to anyone in any
other cities. But the some of the divisions,
some of the places are so close. I mean, you, you grew up in
Wisconsin, right? And you went to Wisconsin.
Did you grow up in Madison, grew up in Green Bay?
You grew up in Green Bay? OK.
And then live in Chicago now, which makes sense.
It's big city in the area. You're doing big things.
But like Detroit's not far. Minnesota isn't far.
All four of those, you know, the NFC North cities, it's one of
the divisions where you sort of feel like it's geographically
correct. It's very close.
You could, you could go on a road trip from any of the cities
to any of the other cities. Maybe Detroit to Minneapolis
would be a tough one, but that'd be a long drive.
That'd be, yeah. I'm I'm honestly shocked that
you're you're the type that would wear enemy fan gear.
Like you seem like such a a chill dude looking to not cause
any controversies walking around with your cheese head on.
Seems out of character Sam. I mean, as long as it's not for
a prolonged period of time then. Yeah, just for a minute.
I'll take I'll I'll put it on when I take the dog out to the
bathroom, but but that's about as long as I can wear a cheese
head. Where in Chicago are you?
Like what? What's your mural area?
We live up in Andersonville, if that means anyone to or anything
to anyone. We bought a condo up here two
years ago now. So yeah, I love the neighborhood
up here further from the Loop, but that doesn't matter to me
because my commute is 10 steps away.
Nice from the bedroom. Yeah, that seems OK.
So yeah, I've, I've been to like Lincoln Park.
Yeah. How far are you from there?
From. Like is that right there?
Yeah. Are you driving places or are
you? Are you able to use the?
We, I mean, it depends on like we've got a bus that pick that
stops like right in front of our building that'll take us like
down to the West Loop down a pretty Main Street.
So we'll catch that pretty often.
Like if we're going on down to like sometimes we'll take the
like the Amtrak, the Metra down to the West Loop just because
it's two stops, it's 15 minutes compared to like a 45 minute
train right on the L So it's we'll do whatever is easiest.
Quite honestly, it is one of the more public transit friendly
places. Yeah, so.
Yeah, yeah, Chicago's nice that way.
It's there's not a lot of public transit friendly places in the
US, but yeah, Chicago, New York. Sort of DC.
Kind of, yeah. Boston ish.
Not at night. Once you come back from the bar,
you're going to. Go no.
It requires lots of pre. Planning.
Yeah. I hate, I hate everything.
They started out spread, motioned in tight, brought
Jacobs into the backfield and players in tight and handed off
for a loss. Fucking kill me.
Sam was right. He knows his team.
Well, no. They were always going to give
it one effort to to try to run the ball here and then then
they're going to have no choice eventually.
DK I didn't grow up in New York, so I did.
I did. I drove quite a bit.
I drove like on these back roads to my high school and stuff, you
know, winding through the woods that that delightfully unsafe
speeds. Yeah, I didn't move to York till
here we go. Let's go, let's go.
Yes, let's go. Yes.
Score. But all right, I mean, I'm
asking a lot. Did we just get the stretch on
the that's? That's going to help the
sliders. That's helping.
You need a 50 yard pass. Wow, yes, he already.
He already hit the slide. He's at 81.
Yards. Oh yeah.
So now, now we need 200 more from Jordan Love.
He did it on two pass attempts or two receptions.
Yeah, Did we do? Did we do the halftime one?
We did one with Watson, with the Reed, others just two
touchdowns, right? Yeah, they're they're just the
touchdowns, unfortunately. That would have been a nice
little double dip if he would have scored on that too, but
they're going back to him. God.
What's up, Steph? Not much.
Hopefully we hit some of these pickups and I'll be going even
better. That's right.
Glad it's picking up the second-half.
The first half was a little slow.
Yeah, it was. The first drive seemed fun, and
then it petered out. And now, now we're cooking here.
What's, what's new with you, Steph?
Not a whole lot just, you know, getting set for this final week
of the regular fantasy season and you know, got a got a lot of
on the line with the BBM teams and then we got a few teams in
the high stakes competing so. Yeah, it's a it's a fun week.
And are you starting to dip your toes into the playoff basketball
streets? I did a little bit of the Too
early contest. I haven't gotten a chance yet to
jump in the Mitten or Gauntlet. I will hopefully soon.
You know, I was working on writing and other things before
that. And then we're going to be at
the Dog Bowl this weekend. So good to see you guys coming
into town. Nice.
That's awesome. Are you coming to the drafts or
the watch party or both or what? You what you doing?
Yeah. I'm going to come to both.
Awesome. So you guys can't get rid of me?
No, but it's going to be a fun time.
Come on. Yes.
All right, let's go. Cuddy big all right.
We had we had craft receptions over on something.
We had yards, I think. Yeah, we had the yard slider.
Oh, we had the yards. Yard slider, but sorry, it's a
start. We did the Reed Watson TV's at
half. We didn't do a craft TV.
Huh. But core wanted.
To but. Core with the love fantasy
points there just got a big boost.
They didn't have it. You mentioned it, Papa.
They. Didn't have it.
Yeah, it was my family. Yeah.
Yeah, we. Were looking at that was what
you wanted. Yeah, yeah.
Fucking underdog always knows. They know, they know.
They were withholding it. Well, I mean, craft without
without. Dobbs has done a lot better.
That was huge. A minute 45 touchdown Dr. That
was huge. 1315 and the third. We said the big plays were
coming and we get we got one there.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's what we.
Needed you know what these. Teams that want to run the ball,
and I do agree, the Packers just want to run it, but like, you
have to like really just got to force them into it.
And the second-half they're like, fine, fine, we'll have
fun. We'll throw the ball, we'll
score points. You made us do it.
I love the chat given PLO 2 PL. whatever.
He's like me with my Wix. He didn't hit either.
Trevor was like but he said it would be wix and it was crap.
Should. Have seen it coming like.
This yeah, that's what you needed.
Someone else in the chat was like, you think it's going to be
Wix and they're on read Watson that it's definitely going to be
Craft. Right.
And then some guy. Then it's going to be Beau
Melton. My buddy is the biggest Beau
Melton fan that you will find. I think coming into the season,
he said he should have been like, everyone knows the wide
receiver. Too.
Go ahead, Sir. Coming to the season, I think he
was like earnestly thinking that he should be the wide receiver
too on the Packers and. His yards per out rod were
really high. I'm.
I'm very on the five routes he runs.
Exactly. I remember looking up, he had up
and I was like, wow, he's really popping.
If you don't turn off the minimum, Yeah.
That's. So good.
I'm surprised like in this day and age with fantasy that
someone like, and maybe this is what the Scott Fishbowl will be
next year. Scott innovates that he hasn't
done just like a strictly like efficiency scoring cat category
like a target. Like we joke about like, Oh
yeah, he's crushed by targets per route.
Red League. It's like someone is gonna spin
up a league that are just efficiency stats here pretty
soon. That would be interesting.
Yeah, completion percentage is, is all that matters or whatever
for your quarterbacks. Completion percent I it's got to
be you got to go with EPAI mean that's that's like that's the
real. Yeah, you'd be rooting against
Christian Watson to get any more targets because he has two
catches from 79 yards. He'd be like no more.
He's. Done, Yeah.
The thing with EPA too, is EPA is kind of silly because like if
you do the same play on like first down versus like 3rd down,
you know, it's like better EPA. But it's the same, It's the same
shit for us, you know? PFFI don't know if they still
have it, but they tried launching like it was like all
22 fantasy or something where you draft like offensive
lineman, you know, ID PS And I think their scoring was like
based off their grading or something like that.
I don't think it ever really, but I'm out.
And for that I'm in. Like I'm out.
Yeah. I mean, it's a, it's a in
theory, a cool concept because it's like you're managing the
whole team sort of thing. But that's something like that
is never going to catch on to the the masses.
That sounds too subjective, like there's too much room for other.
Yeah, and they could have been doing the scoring.
They could have been doing the scoring differently.
I don't totally remember, but it was also like, I mean, I don't
know about you guys. I mean, it would probably be
good to, to try to research it and stuff, but there's a, a
limit to the number of offensive lineman that I know.
I I don't pretend to know the entire offensive lineman like
you. Don't play IDP.
I don't I don't I. Don't.
I stopped. Years ago, there's a limit for
me. There's a maximum and it's like
1 1/2 the lineman that I'm going to know.
I enjoyed IDP years ago but it was like.
Man, I know, I know there's a few extra.
My offensive line knowledge increased because of how bad the
Patriots offensive. Line was so I know like like.
Brittany like a truly is your portal to so many different.
Yeah, like I now know offense. Like I know you know.
I wrote this article a few years ago.
All roads lead to A.J. Brown all all Pats roads are
lead to Drake back. That's true.
All right, there's a Monra. Nice.
Yeah, we started him on one of our main events also, so we do
need. Is that our Davis team?
Yeah. Yeah, where we don't.
No big dog this week for us. No, but we have Chase Brown and
Rico should have another big game hopefully.
So. I mean, we still got some
options. Wait, those are our 2 running
backs both in the Monday and Football Hammer.
Dude, you always start the Monday night guy.
Oh. My God.
Oh my God, Goff. No consider our our other good
running back is on by. That was one really good for us.
Interceptions that you'll see, but.
It might have been really good for us.
Is it for the Jordan Rock fantasy points?
I think it was bad for us. I think we want Jordan love with
long fields and negative game scripts.
Yeah, we want him to score touch.
I mean, if he scored his touchdown, how does he not?
Fucking see this guy, he tries to look off that way, comes
back, but that's just. He looked so confident there
when he threw it. He's like, Oh yeah, there's my
throat and there it is, and nothing will go wrong.
I want to get a view of the of the receiver, not just his eyes.
But he came back to that throw late, right?
He tried to look left, come back right, But there's just a
defender underneath the throw. You can't fucking throw it to
him. He's not open, you know.
Yeah. Alright, Watson and reader out
there. Knew that.
And they're running. Great.
For the audio listeners, Sam actually muted himself during
that interception. He was screaming, ripped off his
shirt. Now he's back at his desk and
calm down. How you doing, Sam?
Do you get audio listeners on the the live streams?
Yeah, that's that's no. I, I, you mean like I'm talking
about after the fact, like I'll post this audio for people
tomorrow. Yeah, yeah.
OK. Literally thousands of people
will listen to this. Playback, it's like a bunch of
dead air. That's that's some dedication
for sure. I would not suggest tailing pics
after it while listening to it unless you have the means to do
so. The truth is they should be
tailing the picks regardless, Sam, no matter when it is.
But yeah. How the?
Fuck, you could tail the picks and then listen to the pod and
then check your picks the next day.
So. I was talking about the the
halftime picks. No.
Come on, that's the worst possible thing.
That sucks. Fucking hurry up, Jacob's run.
That's real bad, yeah. Man.
So when is Jake Josh Jacobs going to retire?
Jesus Christ. I thought it was bad when did.
You the other day guys, I I found my preliminary list.
I was looking through my my notes for our show.
The the headline was guys, I'm scared to be fading for ship
chasing 613 June 13th we did that show.
Guys scared to be fading. Let me read you the first few
names. Drake May was the first name
that was the only quarterback running backs Saquon, Derrick
Henry, Josh Jacobs. No album Camaro.
No, yeah. Where was Camaro, Dan?
I need to have Camaro in there. It's.
A good list I had to check on there.
It's a good list, yeah. Yeah, it's about the same list I
have for my BBM exposures, unfortunately, except I have a
lot of Jake May. All right, I'm going to end on a
high note for the Packers, a low note for the the pickams, the
audio listeners. The audio.
Listeners for the audio listeners.
For the audio listeners, Sam is putting his shirt back on right
now. Sam, it was.
The 10 minutes have passed. He he got over it.
Dude, thank you for for coming by It is all the stuff you're
going to be doing behind the scenes or you going to have any
forward facing content? Don't have any plans for content
right now, Still going to be posting charts and stuff
throughout the rest of the season, but no podcasts,
articles, or anything like that. Gotcha.
Cool man. Well, people need to follow you
on Twitter. And yeah, good luck to your your
Packers, man. Yeah, thank you.
Thanks for having me on. It was good to chat with you
guys again. Great to see you.
We'll talk soon. Yeah, we'll see you around the
interwebs. Peace, dude.
Bye. Later.
Sam Hoppin I mean I I did not see him taking his shirt off
like that but I feel like the ship cast just brings out.
It does. Yeah, it really does.
DK saying Jacobs is the Camaro of Monty's, which is a pretty
good one. Shout that one out.
I can't believe. Yeah, that is a.
Good, Jacobs has 2 fucking rushing touchdowns in this game.
Oh, I can we we get rid of Derek Henry?
One of the running backs had to like take the spot for like 14
that we didn't want. Are we get Steph?
Are we going against Jacobs in any of ours?
I didn't check actually. Don't check now, it'll be too.
Painful. We are going against Monty in
one I remember, but I'm not sure if that was one of the live ones
or not. Yeah.
Not in tree branches. Let's let's see about Cavish.
We're going against Montgomery and Cavish, OK, so we can.
We can survive that. Not too bad, I'm still not over
the crack rock team. That was most brutal shit.
And it's a similar team you were describing, Gretch.
We have Jacobs and Bowers and. That was our team.
I was so. Stoked about that team was so
good. Yeah, for people who missed it,
we had a literally the the Judy 40 Burger Titus in the match up
and then we lost the tiebreaker, which was just total points in
through the regular season went forward.
Right, and it was Judy verse and Joku.
So we need Judy outscoring Joku. Judy puts up 40 and Joku puts up
30. I mean, it's back and forth,
it's insane. And it ends up tied 177.40 to
177.40. I mean, just fucking.
To the desk it's. Crazy.
Yeah, truly crazy. Like, yeah, the odds of that
happening? To the 100th, we tie it.
Yeah, yeah, they go out to the 100 spot and I mean.
I was most mad. I was telling the guys the
kicker and Dee scored just a ton, like 32 and ours, you know,
just had like a week and we had good kicker and Dee in there
just a week, week. It just happens.
We got Dallas defense who on the other two teams I put in for
him, but the guy we went against did like 200 something dollars
that we didn't have and then we talked about which really,
really hurt. We're get like I think Crack
Rock put in for that kicker too. We only have $3 left and he
didn't put who to drop. So I asked who you guys wanted
to drop. Oh, and then he backed off of.
That and then he's like, and I said we only got $3 left.
I said, so you sure you want to do it now or wait a week because
again, we didn't have a horrible kicker, did we have?
Jake Elliott. Or yeah, and he was still
projected to do OK, so. Yeah.
You know, and again, we only had $3, but.
But this was for John Parker Romo and and Chad picked him up
and played him against us instead.
And he and he did only pay a dollar for him, even though he
paid the 200 for. He scored 15 points, Jake Elliot
scored six and a. Half.
So we would have cleared easily if yeah.
Yeah. We had.
One of those hindsight things that is not fun to look back on
which those things are going to happen, but.
And kicker Vera is one of the biggest variant spots.
It's so hard. Oh, for sure.
So like nail, you know it day in and day out.
You can avoid the weather games, but other than that.
Well, I think it would be. It's only fitting that I think
this team we have with Davis goes on a crazy run and make
some noise. That would be very fun.
It's a really strong team it. Would be very fun.
But it does have to win to make it to the yes, because it was
that third scene. The only one that's already in
is Cavish and that one is got some holes in running back.
So we do have Kendre who practiced in full.
And a coach. It'd be so fun if Kendre was
like the key to the playoffs. Well, we do have Kendre on a
couple teams so that would be we picked, we did pick him up and
we've been holding him. We have him stashed so and we
did get McCormick on Davis team also this week off waivers.
Nice. Yeah, I mean the in the Cavish
team that we have with Lawrence, I mean that one has been
struggling at running back all year.
Like that's that's been the whole fate, but.
Well, in common pets, Yeah. Well, we had we had Pitts and
Kittle because the title. Yeah, it's a mega.
I mean, we have Bowers, Pitts. Yeah.
Well, Bowers did great, but Kittle and Pitts did not.
Yeah. And you know, I'm a little
worried about the 49ers in general, just if they shut down
Trent Williams and Purdy, how healthy he is and nothing to
play for. It's it's a little scary.
And then Pitts. Yeah, I'm so cautiously
optimistic on the the Niners here and things being condensed
like they have a 24 point team total this week.
It's, you know, if every they were fully healthy, it'd
probably be like 25 or 26, but it's not like.
Look at the baby. Look at the baby.
Yeah, I, she's, she's being no one.
We can't figure out what she wants right now.
It's like, right be kind of before bedtime, but she doesn't
want to eat. And so I was like, let me just
take it for 10 minutes. We're gonna have a break.
She wants she wants a Jamison Williams.
She just wants a little Jamison Williams.
Yeah, she wants. She's sick of Josh Jacobs.
She heard Josh Jacobs. Good girl.
Hey man, do some gagging. One more Josh Jacobs.
Yeah, she. Just wanted to be on camera.
I know. What a big girl.
How old is she? She's almost eight months.
Wow 8. Months in like a week.
That's great. So she's, she's probably getting
close to starting a little little crawling Little she's
crawling, is she? She's, I mean, it's like I went
out there before and she like saw me and she was like, and
like when she's actually getting pretty quick, she's working on
standing. She pulls herself up to stand
all the time. She can't, yeah.
Yeah, she can't, like, actually do any steps.
She has this little thing she pushes and she'll stand on it
and then I'll like, pull it forward and I'll be like, come
on, you got it, You got to move your legs.
And she's like, she'll do like one.
And then she's like, I don't like this.
No. But she's, yeah, she's real
active. That's how she likes.
She goes to the park, there's this other baby there that like
goes up the stairs, you know, to the slide, and she's just like.
Like I've got to figure. Out how to do that.
Yeah. Is she sleeping any better?
No, she's sleeping. She wakes up constantly
throughout the night. Oh God.
Yeah, he goes down OK. And then we're doing a whole and
we're like trying to train her to sleep better and all stuff.
Yeah, she doesn't. She doesn't sleep well.
Yeah, we already have 3. Touchdowns in the second-half,
right? No, just three. 2.
Yeah, just the pack I. Was like.
Wait, Lions just blew their lead?
Geez, yeah. Are you tired?
Give up one big bomb and then throw a awful pick.
Here we go, screen for Monty. Got blockers in front.
Got it. That'll do.
He's going. Yeah, Clay just asked.
Was it April's b-day? It had to have been right about
now, huh? Sunday, yeah.
Oh wow, last Sunday. No, this Sunday.
It's coming. Yeah.
That's what I was, yeah. We're having out all my parents
and family the following Sunday to to celebrate.
But yeah, it's it's fun. On Sunday is April's birthday.
Yeah, the eighth. Cool.
Yep, two years. Wow.
She's got to be. She's got to be a a whole living
human at this point. A whole living.
Human. She wasn't a human before.
Yeah. I mean, they just, they become,
you know, yeah. The terrible tudes.
Viv doesn't necessarily have AI mean she's clearly has
personality. She's super cute.
But you know, I'm sure. She's a baby.
She's a little baby. Oh, no, we're yeah.
No, we we've entered the. The temper.
Tantrums. The temper tantrums.
Exactly. That she does like literally
tonight for the first time she she discovered she wants me to
do push ups with her sitting on my back and I am my arms.
I can barely feel my arms 'cause it's more more.
I was like, no, I can't. Yeah, she's.
Not what I'm still. Getting like that, it's a long.
Rush. Did he get there?
That was about. 20 I want. To say I don't think he did
because we had 29, yeah. Yeah.
I don't know if that could have been 30.
That was, was it 20? It was 20, yeah.
Damn. See where he stepped out?
Yeah, he stepped out earlier than I thought.
Good for his fantasy points though.
I thought he got all the way down at the five or so, but
yeah, he would have had the house that but I still he still
wouldn't have got it. Who do we need?
Oh my God. So I mean these are.
These were the big sliders. I mean, the thing it still needs
a Monra. I mean, Watson needs one more
yard. It's love is the big one.
Yeah. He has a, he has a ways to go,
but like it can happen with another big play and.
That was with. Monty right and Monty hit it
right. Monty's already got to be there.
Yeah. I know Monty actually hasn't
cleared it yet, he's still .4 he's. 1/2 a point.
OK, Yeah. We.
Monty. And then the the core is in good
shape, it just needs. There's the Gibbs TD.
Oh, he got caught. That guy coming around, I
thought, I thought he had the corner, but he had to slow down
with that free defender. Then he got caught from behind.
Haman Raw has a long way to go. I mean, you're very right.
It's wild that. We're going to.
Need a bigger play? He didn't have a very good game
last week either. No.
I don't remember how many catches it was, but.
There's definitely no worry about them just packing it in
and running though. I mean, they're, they're going
to have to play. Yeah, I mean, yeah and, and I
mean this game means something for playoffs and stuff, so.
Another handoff there. They're definitely going
forward. 3rd. Goal.
It was a it was a four down territory call, but I still
don't like the call. They could just throw twice.
I don't hate. It if they could get
everything's available. Sneak Yeah, I think they were
thinking that it also backs them up further if they don't get it
right instead of the four, they're at the two if they don't
get it right. But that I mean they wanted more
out of that run. You know they did, yeah.
Probably wanted a touchdown. Yeah.
The thing that they really would have loved.
It. Was a quick play.
I wasn't paying attention. Tip, Patrick.
That. Doesn't help.
I was like, I didn't see who caught it and I was like, oh
shit. They snap that.
Yeah, so did I. All numbers.
All numbers look the same, I mean 17.
And 14 do kind of look the same. Oh, they got lined up super
quick. That was a sick play.
Dude, they had everyone was all. 11 like the receivers all ran
out and got set and then they snapped it like just enough time
that everyone had been set right.
Like you don't expect to snap that quick because everyone's
got to be set for a full second. That was cool.
Joe King in the chat. I used to find Pat personable
until the whole perfect child and million when you're a thing
dude. Me having a child made me less
personable. I don't know if that says more.
About me, Pat literally just said the baby doesn't sleep at
all. Yeah, come on, man Cake, Saul's
the mag. That Pat is getting no sleep
whatsoever. It's the James Dean hair.
I'm actually getting some sleep. You know the work.
I got to sleep for work. But weekends I'm getting no
sleep. I take the weekend show.
All right, so we got the Packers back with the ball.
We need, love throwing. We need.
I mean, it'd be great if Jayden Reid would catch a fucking pass
just that. 'D be cool, I'd be into that.
Yeah, I mean, we'll, we'll take everything Watson Reed Craft.
Yeah, all the players. All of it.
I'm trying to think like the the best high impact thing.
I do think Jamo's going to clear his thing for our slider the the
79 1/2. He's at 61.
So some craft and and Reed would be really nice.
But Reed is the one we have in both, right?
I still think Gibbs has the longest rush in him.
So like we need a couple replays.
I want the the Reed stuff to still be.
Live Reed would be sweet. How much has he gotten so far?
Nothing. Oh my God, that's bad.
On the game where I keep complaining about playing
against Jacobs, I have read and it's just been a really rough
run out first game. I mean, yeah, you would think,
especially with dogs out, like, why?
I mean, I know sometimes he doesn't always run a full slate
of routes, but there's no reason this game.
Yeah. How much has he been?
Has he been out there? I haven't looked up anything.
Reid's been Reid, yeah. Yeah, I feel like he's.
Been out there? They've been on some 2 tight end
stuff without him but he's mostly been out.
There. Oh, hey, that's that's I was
wondering. Yeah.
He got a catch that then got overturned.
He drew a penalty at one point. He's been frustrated this year,
though. It just disappears sometimes.
Well, yeah, and once you kind of see what the ceiling is.
Yeah. That's what I.
That's what draws you. In I spent most of the offseason
like making these bold statements that I wasn't going
to let Sean convince you that Jane Reen was good.
And then like after week one I was like all the way back in and
I was like, I'm fucking super glad I have Jane Reen on these
teams. Yeah.
I mean, the Debo comps are are pretty perfect because it's just
like the highs are high and the lows are low.
Debo's been hurting lately. Hurting me.
I think I saw Ian post the other day that Reid still leads all
wide receivers and rush yards this year.
Three previous years it was Debo and this year it's it's Reid.
You wouldn't know watching this game.
I don't think we've gotten like a, an in to round to, to Jayden
Reid, yes. All right, let's get it rolling,
Pat. Oh my God, they're motioning in
for a run play again and Yep, Reed's not on the field.
God damn it, they got Wicks and Watson out there and two tight
ends. Oh, flea flicker he.
Didn't throw it. Now I did and.
My thoughts exactly, Vivian. I know he's on that play pretty
well. Little play by play Little play
by play grunt. Now let's see the Alt 20. 2
here. Oh throw that to Wicks.
Dude over on the right side, he's wide open.
He was looking at Watson and then he saw that defender
underneath the right side of the field was open.
Now they got 2 backs in. Is Reed not in here either?
Is Reed just not fucking playing?
They got Chris Brooks lead blocking.
They got Bo melting out there. I guess.
You guys running all? Right.
Maybe Reed's? Just not played a lot.
I just think that's fucking. Crazy.
He'll probably around 70% would be my guest for our
participation because some of it's like they were going to run
the ball. So like, who cares that he
wasn't out there, you know? Yeah.
That's more than he normally runs.
It's just, I mean, with no knobs on the field, you got to be
trying to get the ball to read it's.
That's what I was thinking, that he'd have a little more.
He's out there in the slot now, short slot with with craft.
If he's only playing on 3rd and eights, like that's not great.
There's a delay of game. They got to blow that.
One. Come on, Packers.
Unbelievable. They're actually rusty when they
need to pass. They have.
They do so little of it. They're rusty now.
Get a grip, Matt Lafleur. Figure it out.
It should be burning second-half time outs in the third quarter
because you're not ready on 1/3 and long when you ran the ball
in the first second down. How do you not have a third and
long play figured out and get your team lined up?
That's ridiculous. It's the first freaking series.
You ran the ball twice and you're not.
I guess they did a flea flicker. They threw it once, they ran and
once. How do you not have a third and
long play call? This feels like a sack.
You just can't burn second-half time out.
See, I don't mind that stuff in the first half, but that's oh,
you had to read running long threw underneath there's Watson
getting over the stretch. You got the extra.
Yard got to go. Yeah, for this, right.
What? Your love on the field?
No. Paul They're deep in their own
area. They.
Didn't. Yeah, yeah, they're right.
Yeah. Just so used to Dan Campbell,
you know they. Don't look good.
Reed was running a like a little bit of a wheel out of the slot
or just a, it's not really a full wheel, just a like a slot
fade and one-on-one. And I just like I thought he was
going to put that up for him and then he went underneath.
It's third and long. Like that's not you.
You're punting if you throw that ball.
Why not just put it up for Reed? It's going to go to commercial
and I'm going to go back and watch the prime version of that
play and see where Reeds route went.
He's lying, guys. He's going to watch that guy
with the cheese. Grater easy guys, all the way
back to the cheese grater. Honestly, that's what I was
going to do, he said. He's.
Going to. But he's going all the way back.
He's going all the way back. See that?
That guy is so much, so much energy.
How do I switch the oh, they're not even going to commercial.
I don't know how to get to the freaking all 22.
It just says watch Maine broadcast more details.
Give me more details. Am I an idiot?
I'm an idiot. There it is.
Oh, Lions are already running to play cool.
Let's get some. All right.
We need a Monroe bad. What happened?
There's just a Montgomery check down.
And like I, I see him, he's out there.
Do you do you? Can you give us a a play by play
of the cheese critter guy while we keep you in the?
Game. I'm still trying to find this
replay. OK, Third and nine.
Yeah, he had one-on-one out there.
I mean, you just got to throw the ball.
Give Jayden Reid a chance to be your best.
Vivian was really excited about that play.
She's new to football. You know, it was probably going
to get stuck. Just a rumpy guy.
Run for yard, Yeah. She's she's into establishing
that got. It just a run play Vivian,
nothing much is going to happen. This feels like in a Monroe
play. Tim Patrick, half yard short.
This is not fun. It's crazy they haven't gotten
Aminar going at all. I know that first drive it
looked like he was going to be the focal point.
They're going for it all right. This is the exact same scenario
the Packers just had, although I guess a little closer.
They were like 4th and three, yeah, this could be a sneak and
they already got a fourth and one sneak earlier.
Pitch to give, let them work. They didn't get on, not even
court. Healed for the Packers again.
Wow. Oh.
My God. I love the shot.
No shot, right? No shot.
They actually go for this. No shot.
He goes for this. Three of you thought there was
no shot. I guess Johnny said it twice. 2
of you thought there was no shot.
There was narrator a shot. There was a shot.
They just didn't make it. I think I would have pumped
that, punted that with a lead here.
They had already gone earlier and gotten it on a sneak that
was not really a short one. That was like a one and a
quarter, you know, it was longer than a full yard, yeah.
There are times Campbell goes for things that like, that's a
little aggressive. And I hate these short fields
for the Packers because it's like they just run it.
We're not getting any. Jacob scores 3 touchdowns in
this game. Look, you want to end this
stream. Yeah, I'm out.
We we just got. Why can't I think of Pat's dog's
name? I'm so bad at names.
Murphy. Murphy Murphy chilling on the
bed here. Pat's gone.
Murph's just chilling posing. There's Murphy looking at our
pickups. Look at Murphy and the pickups.
Amazing. There's craft again, that's.
The ball craft. All right.
You throw a TD and J and written what?
Thing I've seen all night, I see.
That on my. Trample lead.
He got rocked in the head. You're like as he can cost him.
He's like, no, I want to jump off my head.
I'm laying on my. Look at this.
It's. Got rubber in there.
All right, I would have reader Watson TD.
Reed's not even on the fucking field.
Again, come on. The goddamn third quarters over,
what are we doing? Snap the ball.
Idiots, everyone. Idiots.
Somebody doesn't want to win their division.
We are going to go over the spread, it's at 45, they score
TD here, it goes to 52, that'll be it.
Did you bet that? Did not over the spread over the
total spread was lines 3 or 3 1/2.
It was lines 3. You guys want to do some
sparkles? Not yet, Not yet.
This game's not going the way I want it to go.
Josh Jacobs is doing too much shit.
We have this video of Vivian in bed and she's like kind of
crawling up. And this is a video that Britney
took. And Murphy's like laying next to
Vivian and Brittany. And he just reaches over with
his little fucking mouth and pulls her passy out of her mouth
like very gently and then just places it over away from where
she can get. And Brittany takes it and puts
it back in. And he's like, no, fuck that.
Takes. His passy takes her passy and
he's like no, just pettiness, just straight up being petty.
He's like. You need to grow up now.
Amazing. Somebody's jealous.
So good. Yeah, No, he is extremely
jealous. It's gone beyond jealousy.
Like he understands what happened and he's not OK with
it, but he he's. Yeah.
Twitter's going nuts for that Tucker craft little pop up move
from the ground. Of course these animals will go
nuts for anything. Says the guy that rewowed for
the cheese grater. Early.
Steph, what food do I have to try when I'm in Dallas?
What's a What's a must have meal I have to get?
Oh gosh, I mean, there's a, there's a lot of good
restaurants in Dallas. What?
What kind of food do you like? I mean the like the local like
I'm I'm down for Tex Mex BBQ. I'm down for anything like that.
Yeah, you act like I eat Tex Mex and BBQ that much, no?
What does Steph eat? Where?
What's your go to in Dallas? Oh jeez, maybe like Nick and
Sam's is really is is nice. It's really nice.
It's a nice steakhouse, but it it's it's out there, it's a it's
a phenomenal. Alberta's is another good one.
Javier's is kind of cool. It's Mexican.
They got a cigar lounge and some stuff.
It used to be, I'm not sure if it's as good as it used to be.
It's high end also, but they also got like their own Scotch
bar in there. It's a it's kind of a cool place
to hang out a lot of. Jade Reed is not even on the
fucking field at any of these plays.
Sorry, Steph. No, you're good.
Oh no. Yeah, Pecan Lodge you could go
to out at the farmers market, I think on like like Sunday
morning maybe you could go wait in line forever to try to get
brisket that for BBQ. That's pretty famous.
Yeah, I don't see myself waiting in a line.
We lost. We lost Gretch.
For the audio listeners, I think he has his shirt off, but I
don't know because he turned his camera off.
He left his audio on, but his his camera.
It's the reverse angle. Paris has a good lamb top, but
it's not my it's not my favorite.
I see a couple other people. I like papa's brothers better
than their I'll I'll have to think about too.
I'll, I'll I'll I'll think of some more good ones and and give
you some more of Rex. What day are you coming in?
Pete are. You there tomorrow?
I like this. I like, I like camera, Michael.
Yeah, my phone was down. I can't see the game so I have
no idea what everyone said. It's a hat trick for Josh
Jacobs. I'm glad I didn't see that.
Oh. God.
You. You're joking.
You guys can't see 'cause I have the camera off, but I'm punching
myself in the nuts right now. It feels better.
I'm watching. This is a real.
Podcast. Yeah, for the audio listeners,
you're not missing anything. You're hearing everything.
We're here. You're hearing?
Yeah, just go pull audio for the people.
All right, I'm putting the phone back up where I can see this
shit show. Yeah.
God. Damn it, that was so
frustrating. I'm going to need a drink.
Yep. I wasn't going to drink tonight
since I'm going to be drinking I'm sure this weekend and I can
only handle so much anymore back-to-back.
Well, I'm about to finish this whole bottle of wine because
this. Is I also don't have any wine or
I would be drinking it. I'm going to be way behind on
the one mile, just that one match up that I for whatever,
you know how you fixate on things.
I just have this one match up that I think is a really good
team and I want to get it in and Jamar Chase is on the team and
it's like this is going to be so many fucking points.
And it was super close to getting in and we played.
We have 4 quarterbacks. We played the wrong of the four,
the lowest going on the four both of the last two weeks and
then missed the auto bid because of that.
It's fucking brutal. I know the team's not going to
make it through. And now we have Tim Patrick,
who's turned into a Monroe St. Brown.
Yeah, that's. Ross St.
Brown has turned into Tim Patrick, OH.
My God, the projected points on FFPC.
We're now down looking. We were projected to win coming
into tonight. We're down 28.
I mean, Jacobs has 24 and Rita has zero.
It's a fucking insane run out. It's not a good run out.
No, I do that too though I get obsessed and I start looking at
the projections and yeah, they change very dramatically.
Seems like on FFPC more than other sites.
This is this is the time of year that you you get the reminders.
I mean, this is good for all the listeners and the viewers that
are in their home leagues and everything, everything that you
think is going to happen that's good in fantasy football, it's
not going to happen. And if it does, if it does
happen, if you do win a championship, fuck it.
Enjoy that. Enjoy that shit.
No it in the to to Gretchen's point, the times you win.
This isn't to say there aren't like highs, but you don't
actually get to savor them because they come out of
nowhere. Like, you don't expect it,
right? And then like it happens, you're
like, yeah, that was incredible. But it's the stuff you fixate.
All of your time and you're like, this is a good team.
I want those. Never work out, never work.
It's always the ones that comes out of nowhere.
And you're like, ask Pat, you're like you.
You thought the team that won you 2 million was like, dead?
I, yeah, I, I was like, yeah, it's a nice little sweat to have
on week 17, but I'm going to obviously like play my normal
DFS stuff. Like I, I wasn't like, I don't
really think it was that much of an additional sweat.
And like last last year I had the team that made the final had
like all the players that I had, like it had like Freeze and
Kyron and stuff. And that was very satisfying.
You know, in a way you can actually get it through that
team didn't really, you know, it didn't do that much.
But it's, it's so satisfying to just have the plays that you
really care about hit, you know? Yeah.
Well, I went, I was looking at my advance rate on my Bucky
teams and I have like 2-2 Bucky teams and he was one of my most
drafted guys and I haven't how. How?
How are you doing up because you had a shit load of Bucky bed?
How are you? Doing yeah, but that's what I
mean. Like my advance rate's fine, but
I, I was like, oh, I should. Have a bunch of Bucky.
Teams, right, Yeah, it's like I don't, I was like.
Have you played with the sliders?
I I have it, that is a very cool feature that also seems like
something that would maybe get my hopes up in a way that they
should be. It it doesn't, you can slide it
pretty far and you still don't get that many additional teams
through. So it kind of shows you how much
you think like, oh, I have all these this guy on these teams.
It should make a lot bigger difference and it wasn't on mine
at least when I was messing with it last night.
It's like. Damn, I have my my advance rates
like close to expected. I just pulled it up.
I haven't looked at it a lot. I assume that's entirely because
of Bucky, because I also was really into Rishi Rice and
Stefan Diggs where my like my two biggest wide receivers and
I'm very frustrated because I think they both would have been
doing really well right now. It's like it's tough.
They both got hurt. Yeah, rice is a huge stand for
me too me. Too, and worthy for.
People who don't know what Steph is referencing.
So Patrick's sitebbmdb.com, he just added this feature I think
literally last night where you can go in and cuz he added like
your expected advance rate, he had some kind of model for for
mapping that out. But you can now go slide
production for specific players and see what happens to your
advance rate if they do a certain thing.
So you can put really unrealistic things like Kendra
Miller scores 30 points or something and see if it actually
does something. So a very fun way to pass the
time if. You're.
Sweating. Yeah, nice, Nice job, man.
Yeah, very good dev, always shipping new features over there
on BBMDB. Dot com week 14 SIM.
This is cool. Is that what it is?
The week. Yeah.
There's Monra. There he is.
He caught a pass. Felt like showing up.
Did you? Oh, this is great.
I can just. OK, they're going to keep
feeding him. This is where they they do it
over and over and over again. I'm going to go do Kendra Miller
because Kendra Miller is the other guy I hadn't.
Talked. You're going to do the example I
just gave. Where's?
Kendra Miller at can't even find him.
Well, it has to. It's on your exposures.
So if you don't, how much Kendra Miller do you have?
He should be. It would be.
He should be at the top, you're saying, right?
Of your running backs. Is it like ranked?
Yeah. So my running backs are Bucky,
Chase Brown. Those are good.
Jonathan Brooks, Tyrone Tracy. That's good, Bijon.
Robinson. Yeah.
Where? The Hell's Kendra?
Is it because he hasn't scored any points?
No, it's in the order of how much you have.
At least mine was. I don't think Kendre is getting
scraped because he hasn't scored any points or something like
that is what I'm guessing because.
I saw Shipley. The other guy who should be here
is Marshawn Lloyd, and he's not here.
Maybe not 80. Patrick removed him out of
respect. Yeah, maybe because they're on
IR and shit. Like Kendre's still on IR?
Technically so. Laporta with a snag.
That. Was nice.
Michael, to answer your question on the halftime pickups, there's
nothing worth looking at unless Watson or Reid score a touchdown
because we split those and we need a touchdown for either of
those halftime pickups to hit. We need a lot more love passing
yards, I guess only 60 and we need 10 more.
Amanra, we still need a lot. So when I put these sliders all
the way up, it's it's that player's score for the week.
So when I say JSN scores 69 points, it doesn't it doesn't
change my advance. It's my highest.
Point. It doesn't say.
Yeah, a Monroe carry. That's a carry though.
God damn it. We don't have him with fantasy
points. It's just saving yards.
Jeez, this game's pissing me off the way.
The dude I love that Gibbs just stands flat footed when he's in
the backfield. I think that's so badass.
Be more badass if he had a long rush.
He doesn't have the field to do it.
We don't have any fantasy point stuff for the lions.
Fuck, those Tim Patrick catches, like you said, are just.
They're not great. They're not.
Do you guys know about GI? Don't even know how to say his
name, but yeah, we know who the fucking Ashton G&T guy is, yes?
Fucking yeah. I started doing a little bit of
the prospect stuff just to kind of get ahead of it and the.
Cowboys are running back looks. Pretty good.
He's he's like depending on guy. I finished out the year and
draft capital and stuff will like either be in like the
amazing take this guy, the one O 1 O superflex kind of tier or.
The next one. Or the next one down, which is
like with John Taylor and Joe Mixon and like a million good
running mixer. How good do you think he was
like compared to like Bijon? So, so the it's Bijon, Saquon
and McCaffrey are the top tier. So he's probably not going to
get into that, but he's, yeah. He had a lot of production.
I was making some highlights, yeah.
But he probably gets docked a little for it being a Boise,
right? I mean, his numbers are insane.
They're fucking insane. Yeah, it depends how athletic.
It basically comes down to like draft capital, athleticism.
Patrick are. You fucking hitting me?
Holy. Shit.
This is a fucking. Joke, are we on the Truman Show
or something? This is like a parallel universe
and this is week fucking 14 Oh my God, sorry.
You're allowed to say that, Steph.
Thank goodness I'm trying to think of my head
if I have Kid Patrick on any BBM teams.
Have you guys watched any GMT though?
I was watching. I watched some highlights, yeah.
He he looks short. He's like, he's got like real
like short stride, but like he the legs move quickly, but he's
not. It wasn't what?
I. Expected I thought he would look
more like, I don't know, like more like fluid or something
like he's he's a small, it's a smaller package.
You know, it's kind of like the the MJD.
He's he's taller than, he's like 2 inches taller than MJD, but
it's like more like that. 59. Yeah, I think MJD was like 5-9.
Yeah. But he's versatile.
He's he's yards per outrun stuff is pretty good, not elite, but
like very good. So he looks pretty great.
Jacobs is a good comp. Miles puts that in there.
Yeah, that's kind of like, that's kind of what I mean.
He's like Jacobs but like faster like explosive Jacobs may not as
big I guess, but. I can't believe we have
explosive Kyron. Do we have 59 total points now?
The 3128 now and we're not even fucking close to it.
It's just all the shittiest people are scoring.
Doug Martin, I don't know if he's as big as Doug Martin.
Man, the Muscle Hamster haven't heard that name in a hot minute.
There you go, same college. Boys, isn't it like Doug?
Doug. Maybe Doug Martin?
Has like long speed though right?
Like, doesn't this giant? Well, I don't know if GT has
like, yeah, he he has a lot of explosive runs.
I'm curious what he's going to run in the 40 because I don't
know that it'll be like super fast.
Interesting, I think he might be like a 445.
Four. He already has four, four, nine,
2288 rushing yards and 28 touchdowns.
Yeah, his production is insane. It's great.
That's the 2000 rushing yard season.
He's at 2300. He's going to finish like over
2500. The difference between a 1500
yard rushing season and a 2000 yard rushing season is fucking
big. 2000 is like insane. 1500 is awesome.
He's going to be 500. Beyond that, there's another 5.
100 I know it's crazy. It's.
Oh my God. Yeah, 4-5 is a is a guess in the
I think he probably, yeah, my guess is he's probably like in
the between like 4-4 and four, 5:00 somewhere in there.
That's purely from just watching highlights.
So I could be wrong, but I don't think it really matters.
Like I don't think he's slow, you know, and he's like super
productive and he's versatile. Like I don't think it's a
problem. 59 points in this game overhead easily.
What, Pete? What do we have to root for at
this point? To.
Throw for a shit ton of yards to either Jaden Reed, Christian
Watson, or Tucker Craft, probably in that order.
We. A touchdown to one of them,
yeah. Tucker Craft's actually now only
10 yards off of his slider that we have.
And. What else but.
I mean, Reed's. Reed's killing us, man.
He's killing us. He's out there now.
We need to read because he might never play again.
He hasn't done shit, yeah. And they run it.
False start. Oh, it's receiving yard.
I was like, can't they run it with Reed?
But it's not even fantasy points so that.
The Reed stuff is insane. No, Dobbs.
Hey, congratulations, Devin. I'm happy for you.
Just while we're talking about Reed, he's like, I bet the under
on Reed receptions at halftime. So he did the opposite of us,
basically. He's just excited that he wants
some. He's not on the field now.
They get a first and 15 and then they go to back to two tight
ends. They're just in two tight ends
all night. You're.
Going to run it. Oh, 'cause they got to run,
yeah. The.
Only thing better than first and long is second and long.
I mean, come on, guys, you're not winning.
Well, he's out there. Oh, that's Bob Melton, and
that's he's not even. Reach out there, Reach out
there. Oh, is that him?
Wicks is off. What a dime.
Oh man, what a throw. How?
Did that get there? Dude, and to avoid the pressure
that was sick, that's that's love at his best right there.
Yeah, that was good. Wow.
Jacob's whiffs. Dude.
Yeah, that was really good. Rotates his shoulders all the
way around, squares him back up and then over the dime.
He had to turn. His shoulders three times to
make that throw. That was so nice.
Hell yeah. God damn it.
And back to. Jacob, it's not working.
What if it were not? Even A10 instead of first.
Like if Jacobs was running for like 6 yards of carry I'd
understand it, but they're just fucking.
Well, because the Lions are good against the rush.
Right. Throw the damn ball, I.
Can't talk sure about them actually converting touchdowns,
but what does he have yards per carry tonight?
4 on the nose. Like throw the God damn boy 10
for 17 they. Refuse.
Didn't have Jayden Reid on the field again.
I'm going crazy. No, his routes in this game,
Pat, they're not going to. I mean, they're going to be
very. Low.
Wix. Do we have anything with Wix?
They went with a game. We have that one.
Guy in the chat who bet has. Been in the court?
One guy in the chat, don't forget about him.
I won't forget, no. We have y'all's record of taking
him the earliest stunt of any team ever.
I'll. Always have that.
I feel like Reed's routes are going to come in at like 40% in
this game. That seems too low because
because a lot of the players were tilting, they run it.
I know, but they he's not missing a lot of plays.
Where's Yankee when you need him?
Yeah, come on, Yankee. Yankee's on I.
Like thinking 1Y without checking like he could be.
Tweeting Oh, that's right, Yankee announced that he'd be
on. He's on blue sky.
Yeah. Oh, the routes are on Blue Sky
now, all right. Yeah, but you can't like, I
mean, I guess you can look him up, but you can't like do
searches is one thing. I What do you?
Mean wish you. Can't.
Search for blue. Sky I mean you can search for
people but not like topics you know or I.
Think you can? Let's say add it, yeah.
You. What do you mean, Seth?
You're saying that they don't have a search bar?
They do. For like people, but like, you
know, you could like put in a player, like you could put in a
any kind of subject on Twitter more.
No, Seth, you can absolutely do that on Blue Sky as well.
I just did it. Really.
You couldn't before? I didn't.
Or at least I didn't. See wide receiver Halftime snap
count for the Packers was out of 26 plays, Christian Watson 24,
Dante Vinwick's 22, Jaden Reed 13 Exactly 50%, and he's
probably played less than 50% in the second-half.
But the rats on the field now, so I'm telling you, look it up,
baby. Yeah, no, I you're right about
the routes thing. But if he's on the field 50%
it's worse than usual for. Sure, it's definitely worse than
usual. Yeah, I think I'd said 70 ish
before. It's probably 60 ish.
It's it's about like, yeah, it's close.
It's a little under 60 most of the time I think from what I was
and now Wicks. Is hurt.
Well, they got to put him on the field.
I mean, sorry. Yikes.
I hope Wicks is OK. All right, he's asking to get
up. He's up.
You know what would be a sick move?
Now you call out all the trainers and then you tell him,
give me some space. And then you do the Tucker.
Crab, you do the Tucker 60. I really feel robbed that you
didn't make the NFL to just do that.
Just do. That.
Like that would have been such a good.
Thing it feels like a key of Peel sketch.
He's like fall out the traders out he's.
On the back, Scott reads off the field again first and goal.
He would just do that every time, like you'd always act her
every play and they're like, Nah so.
Who the hell is that? Is the most.
I mean two tight ends all. This time.
No. I can't handle that.
I'm Christian. Watson, I'm telling you right
now, no. I'm going to have to go to the
liquor store before it closes. Can we get a Watson TD here?
Watson would be cool. Like A4, four TD's.
Like Gretsch turned off his camera last time.
I don't want to see what happens if Jacob scores a fourth TD.
They. Really, they're slow with the
whistle on. The Monty gets stood up and it's
like they blow it immediately. Jacobs They're like checking
their watch, just letting them so.
Let's see. So love love is cleared in our
halftime ones, which again, we need a reader Watson TD and then
we can just get one little I'm on raw like we're 10 yards away
there. So we.
Got it. We have to get.
A They just put the leak heath on the fucking field.
What is going? On.
Read. The backfield find him.
Ah, he got bumped. It was fucking a play for Reed
that went to Jacobs. Flag.
That's coming back. There better be a fucking flag,
Oh my. God.
The chat's mad that that got called back.
No, no. I think it's mad it happened.
Everybody. Johnny guy is going no flag.
What's your flag man? Fuck, will you put Johnny in
time out just for being a Josh Jacob shit?
Yeah, I'll put, I'll put Johnny in time.
Out Johnny and shit, he said. I thought they were on the same
page. I thought they were pissed off
about the Jacob session. You know what he was thinking
about love. You'll be you'll be back in 5
minutes. Johnny, you'll be back in 5
minutes. You'll be back in five.
It's good for you. Yeah, I think they were all on
the same page. Come on, love.
No, that's a classic love throw. That was you guys saw.
That and Pete, you're like, oh, he felt that like that was a
play for for Reed. Yeah, out of the back a little.
Misdirection coming back the other direction.
And then he fucking fell. Goes.
Back and he finds it for Jacobs. Are we rooting for OT?
The chat wants OTI get it. I'm just, I would really, I
would take a touchdown right here.
Yeah, just give us a touchdown. Yeah, I'd.
Take a read TD. Read TD would be hard stick.
Watson TD too. OK.
Yeah. Don't run, they want you to run.
It's third and goal from the 16. Stretch out to the right.
And read it down the field. That was bad.
Does this dumb dumb play? You got to just like find space
and then keep looking down field.
You think you're going to rush for the TV here?
What are you thinking? Makes no sense.
Good. Well OT it is more fucking
torture. I don't.
I mean guys, we're banking on OT this Lions offense with 3
minutes and 30 seconds. I'm more worried about a back
breaking fucking John Bates field goal with four seconds
left. Right, I I think O TS now the
the hope. But the out, yeah.
Yeah, that's. The I think, I think, I think OT
hits now. If they match scores right, the
Lions get a quick TD and the and the Packers get another one or
the Lions get a field goal. The Packers are able to get a
field goal. This Jaden.
Reed is. Legendarily shitty.
Oh my God, I went back to the Prime vision.
He's wide the fuck open, but he was running a route.
I'm not kidding you. I believe he was.
Like standing there. Look at this, are we going to
get demonetized if I hold my phone up?
Do it and you're good. This is this over here is a
pruder. Film shit.
But this guy right here is about to run an out pattern.
You see that line glare on your do.
You see this out pattern outside, Guy's going to clear
out. He's got his man.
Beat that out. Pattern's there, But love
scrambled off to the right of the pocket.
So once you just do a YouTube video of tape analysis just like
this, like don't do this. Watch out film guys, the ship
cast is coming. I'm coming for you.
Oh man, have you guys seen these Adam Driver commercials?
Assam on Thanksgiving for the first time on Black Friday, it's
Adam Driver reading Amazon customer reviews.
He's like a very dramatic actor reading, you know, customer
reviews and then I mean, it's very funny, it's very good.
It's a really good bet. He had like 3 different ones
during the, the Friday night, the Friday Black Friday game,
the Chiefs and Raiders. And by the like the third one, I
had to make sure my wife saw it and she was cracking up too.
They're good. I got to check it out.
Yeah, I haven't seen it yet. I'll have to look.
The chat, they're actually kind of good.
Amazon is ruining the world. You know what?
That can all be true at the same time.
Yeah, Gretch, I've been. I was meaning to tell you.
So on Mondays and a little bit of Tuesdays, but mostly Mondays,
I like load in a bunch of stats and kind of like prep for the
walkthrough and everything. And I kind of like make my
charts and all that stuff. It's pretty mindless, but it
kind of like helps me figure out what I'm going to write about.
But I usually have something on in the background and I've been
putting Brooklyn 99 on in the background.
There you go. It's pretty good.
It's. Pretty good, yeah.
You're enjoying it. Yes, I am I.
Love it. I love the I love the captain.
At first I was like, this is boring, He's just boring all the
time. And then when they get when they
start using him for jokes, they really.
Hit good. Yeah, that's when it hits its
stride. So he just passed away last
year, Andre. Wrong was.
That enough? Points yeah, so my my wife's a
big rewatcher she doesn't like to watch a lot of new shows she
loves to rewatch but she won't we haven't been able to watch
Brooklyn 99 since he passed away it's like bums her out so but
it's he's he's like the heart of the show for sure yeah he's so
good he's so good I see for me I'm like I want to go celebrate
him he passed away like this is. Right.
Life's work or one of one of the things that.
He's so funny in it and you think like he's not going to be,
you know? When I die, you guys go read my
old stealing signals. Don't fucking avoid it, Jesus.
You go. Don't read about Sean Tucker's
Snapshare. Don't read about Sean Tucker
three years too late. Yeah, I'm looking.
I'm scrolling back in the chat because I was missing all this
and the chat's. Like.
This is some John Madden shit, Gretch.
This is truly still on signal stretch.
This is crystal clear. Gretch, do you see this?
Points to nothing, Points to not.
Oh man, good shit. They're already across midfield.
I haven't even paid attention. See This is why they want the
Packers calling that time out in the third quarter pissed me off
so much because they got to be able to control the clock in
these situations. You get 3 timeouts, now you only
have two. It's a fucking massive thing and
it was the first third down of the series.
Like how are you not ready for it?
That was huge. He went out of bounds at two O 1
before the two-minute warning on 3rd down.
So even if they get the 1st a 2 minute will stop it for you.
Your timeouts. I mean, that was that when he's.
Smarter than the other? Even if the Lions kick the field
goal here, the Packers have enough time to kick a field with
themselves. What's he yelling about?
Some type of formation penalty or something?
He must have thought there was something they missed, probably
a false start or something. So here they get the first down,
but they get the two-minute stop on before 1st and you still have
two timeouts. And so if you can still hold
them to a field goal before another first down winds up, I
mean, you're probably, you're probably fucked regardless at
this point. So we don't win anything, did
we? Pete?
No. So we're rooting for a miss on
the field goal try is what you're saying?
Jane Reed literally finished this game without a catch.
That's. Great, that is.
It's nuts. Just not not a part of the game
plan whatsoever. I.
Don't know what a fucking he has, maybe he's hurt.
Is there something like he was in full practice?
Yeah, he's been full practice. Like I hadn't heard anything.
About, yeah, but I mean without Dobbs, this is weird.
Bridal Bridal. Says not start for the weekend
that. Was a good idea.
I could bring up Sparkle on my phone and hold out to the
camera. What's this country?
After you guys both left, was that last week?
Yeah, the Thanksgiving. I stayed on for a while and I
don't remember. We did Sporkle, we did some
drafts and I had four people on and then two left.
Steph, you were on. This wasn't last week, this was
a lot longer ago, no. This was the.
Thanksgiving show last. Week.
The Thanksgiving. Show I wasn't.
I wasn't talking to Thanksgiving with Jacob.
Yeah, yeah. No, we went and did a different
one with Jacob. Oh, you weren't on last week.
That's right. You're.
Talking like I wasn't on for Thanksgiving.
I got a couple drunk post post game breakdown.
That's right. So last week was it was Reebs
and Daigle and Daigle ended up leaving and Reebs still stuck
around. We did it for we.
We shut the the place down. I watched most of the 1st and
then I had it on but I was doing other stuff towards the end so I
didn't get to see you get trashed.
Normally I'll post the audio and then I was like busy Thursday
and I saw the runtime even after Pat and I dropped off and I'm
just like, this is going to be a video on.
I'm not. Posting the audio of this.
No one's listening to A5 and 1/2 hour Thanksgiving podcast it.
Was Spags hung out and Hassad and Blair were still hanging out
really late? I just pulled it up and then
Spags, I think took off. I think it was me, Reeves and
Hassan at the very end. Yeah, for like a long time, just
like in the. Last like half hour was.
Just honestly, if I'm the package, you just let him score
here and get the ball back marched down the field and score
yourself. Doing sporkles.
It just pulled it up. This is hilarious.
We were doing sporkles that were like, name the top scoring the
top 10 fantasy quarterbacks from 2000 to like, 2015.
And there was like 150 answers. And you're just like fucking
going through every year, like trying to name all these like
Elvis Gerbach 2000, just like that was like an example.
But yeah, we were like, name like Elvis Gerbach was like a
name that came up like, you know, I mean, you're doing all
this shit. Aaron Brooks, Blake, I don't
think Kyle Bowler was ever good enough to come up.
I'm already wrong. He was he was playing man,
That's a good that's a good. Remember, I got oh, they got a
holding penalty. That's.
Exciting, yeah. I was like, somebody's mad.
That's pretty exciting for the game.
Run out with the Packer saw them the two timeouts.
They should get the ball back because now I mean first and 20
you got to be able to stop him 3 downs yeah holdings huge for OT
the chat saying it's beautiful white Lancer.
I wanted the audio only version of all the sporgles.
Just the sporgles. I remember, I mean, I usually
have unlimited energy when I'm drinking, but it went so long
that I was getting super tired. I don't Reeves was ready to go
for like he would have went till the next day, like he would have
just been ready for Thanksgiving dinner and like we're still
streaming. I was like, I don't you're in
Cleveland, I'm in Seattle. Like I'm two hours ahead of you.
I don't know how you're still awake This like he was like
ready to do another one and I'm yawning and like falling asleep.
Yeah, and that's how I was in Vegas and some of the hangs out
were hanging out with like me, John and Jericho and like we
were telling stories and I was just like, I can no longer pay
attention to the words for me to sleep.
You guys see what they just highlighted?
That guy jumped on the pile and there's basically saying that
could have been a personal foul because you can't just jump on
the pile like that. And Matt Lafleur on the sideline
was like, what are you doing? It very easily could have got
called that would have done an automatic first down and then
kneel it out, kick a field goal. Yeah, basically.
Don't be idiots. Packers.
Wow. Picked up that blitz.
Oh no. No.
Almond Rock kills us all game became.
Almond Rock with the Jack God. It's, it's that they're giving
it to him on that spot. It looks short to me, but that
spot, they gave it to him. Fucking idiots.
That is how it works. He dogs us all game and then he.
Gets it. Look at David Montgomery pick up
that blitz. Oh, how are.
You not in a better like prevent to keep everything underneath
you. Yeah, they were just guessing.
They were. Not prepared.
To Oh, he wants that to be a push off that's not going to get
called. Come on.
I think he got the first down the way they got kind of flung
him. Forward that Blitzer landing on
his head and then getting back up and actually still like
rushing Goff's throw was kind of sick.
What are they showing helmet to helmet?
Oh, they marked it short. You.
Sure. Yeah, well, according to the
lines that were on the screen. Over there in inches, it's
fucking QB snake. I'm going to get it, yeah.
Come on guys, hold them. Also, he definitely got it.
They're going to, they're going to review.
This. Right.
Didn't he get tossed forward? He did, but the replay assist
usually gets it right because they have the slow MO stuff.
Yeah. They should throw it.
I'm wow, he's short, he's short. I can't.
Definitely short. I can't believe they didn't.
QB sneak, that is. He good.
He's short. He's.
Short. They're going to only have about
30 seconds with no time. I know I'm like.
Because of the holding and everything else, a different
little play calls, just like the actual runtime of the plays took
a lot of time off we're. Going to.
Be the 42, 43 about four seconds on the kick, 39 no timeouts to
get into field goal range. You got to let him kick.
Are they going to go for it? I.
Think that it's the Lions, they might go for it.
This is a dumb. This is an overly aggressive
decision. I'm all for all the 4th downs.
This would be dumb with no timeouts.
Like, I know you feel like you can get it, but you don't need
to take on this risk at all. Yeah, What's the advantage?
You can run the clock down and they don't get.
A possession, right, You can run the clock down and kick it with
no time. I don't think it's they're not
going to be able to score a touchdown coming back.
There's no way you just showed that you can get stopped on this
play. You just got stopped on it
before. Yeah, I think, I think you kick
it. You have to.
Kick it they have. No time out, I don't.
Think Dan Campbell cares? I don't.
Know I think they're telling him now I think he wanted to go and
they're telling him it makes no sense.
His guy's up in the booth they're lining up.
I, I, I doubt they snap this. This is like what you were
saying earlier, Pete, where they've got to be trying to get
him to jump, right? Yeah.
And then use a time out. Maybe we have to find out.
This is if there was any other team.
I'd love an analytics guy screaming please get the field
goal. Yeah, wow, he went for it.
And he got it on. There.
And he got it. Wow.
That was a mistake. I mean, they got it and they
won, but that was a. Mistake.
I'd be curious, like what the what's like the decision bots
say about that and stuff. Has Ben Baldwin got that up?
While. Man, so that the the the
halftime pickups, like all we needed was a reader.
Watson touched out. We had Watson fall.
And we wanted the craft and they didn't give it to.
Us the craft wasn't there Brutal run out for those tonight.
All right, guys. They could still miss the field
goal. Pete, before you started this.
All right, well, let's do our plugs now.
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morning at Irby's quickslance steps wave wire column just
finished up this week. That was that was an absolute
smash. And weekly rankings, dynasty
rankings, all that, all that good stuff.
Beautiful Gretch, how about you? Same all, you know, stealing
bananas, ship chasing, stealing signal, stealing lines, all the
good stuff. Staff final Final waiver column
of the year You excited? The end of an era.
It's bittersweet, yeah. Well, we, as always, we
appreciate all your work on the teams.
Hopefully we can get some a couple of fun Sprint sweats that
we'll keep you guys posted about.
I'm heading to Dallas, going to have some fun shows from there
on location with the Dog Bowl, including off and on the Clock.
Tomorrow night I'm going to do a show with Josh Norris on
Underdog. Saturday we're going to have
another little preview of the dog bowl before lock on Sunday
some of the line UPS kind of handicapped the contest, so I'll
be tweeting those out and you can keep an eye out for those on
the YouTube channel if you would like.
But yeah, let's If this kick is hit, the show will immediately
end and if not at. Least Josh Jacobs.
That that we will. That we will be very happy.
Good night everyone.