Draft season rolls on but tonight we're taking a break
from the main event drafts on FFPC.
We are in a self-contained high stakes league.
This is the big pay pack, big payback, $5000 buy in.
We got Mike Leone, Ben Gretch joining myself and Pat Karen.
We're off to the races. We got the one O 9 tonight.
Titan premium ship chasing alpha plays only.
Let's do it, Pat Fryer, Helmo Anita.
Hand job. All.
Right guys, that is an ADP board.
This is a different word. Let's see if we can get the real
1. Up for stream jeez.
Here we go, we are good to go. Jamar Chase, Bijon Robinson,
Jamir Gibbs, Justin Jefferson. Like I said we got the one O 9
tonight. Leonie and Gretch.
How are you guys doing? Good ready, ready for some alpha
plays? That's right.
So. Obviously.
People in all the FFPC main event drafts we've been playing
in, there's the idea of having to advance to the playoffs.
You get the playoff Sprint, the $1,000,000 top prize.
That's not what we're doing here.
This is just 12 teams, 5K buy in self-contained leads going to
stretch the 17 weeks here. So that is going to tweak kind
of how we think about this a little bit.
What other stuff are you guys thinking about as far as like
shaking, you know, Sprint type brain stuff for for playoff
contests? Actually have been unmemorized
in the week 17 matchups ahead of this.
This is all I do now. So it's that's all I've been.
I just got off a call with a subscriber talk through, you
know, redraft strategy. I've been doing a bunch of these
like one-on-one calls. So I don't do as much best balls
as you guys used this. Yeah, the the difference from
the mains is you got to shake the like, Oh my God, I need the
nuts for three weeks sort of mindset where you like have to
probably have an amazing score everywhere you can maybe be a
little bit, you know, you there's not as much pressure to
just be, you know, perfect everywhere.
But there's a little bit of you still are one out of 12 people
you still want to shoot for upside.
Sure, for sure. I.
Mean, yeah. Leonie, are you?
You can play like who's? Not saying we'll do this, but.
Who's pressing the actual buttons?
Want to make sure we get that squared away?
Oh, Kyle, I thought you were. I think, yeah, I, I can't, I I
wasn't planning on it, but I'm I can do that if we.
You're nimble fingers. Yeah, you've been training.
Off So there's a lot of money on the line here, Pete.
We need the best fingers in the game.
In my mind, when Leonie's here, he's the adult in the room, so
that's why I always bet. I'm not this is this is.
Where? OK.
I'm CMC here, but I think Ben is McBride.
Pete. I just wanted the room to decide
for us. I like CMC.
Let's do it. Let's take CMC.
All right, CMC come down. Yeah, this was a pre, pre show
discussion here on how to play this.
But yeah, Neighbors goes 8 which the top 8 is generally ACMC,
right? And so then McBride becomes the
clear guy at 9 for us. In this case, Neighbors goes.
So McBride would have made things easier structurally.
CMC you're taking for the yeah? And I'm, I'm into, I'm into the
CMC play. It's going to make the way that
we navigate rounds 2 through about 10 tough in a four man in
a year where these tears are really long and the decisions
are a lot tougher in 2025. I've, I was telling you guys
before I, I've run into some stuff with even with Siegel, who
I dropped very similarly to that.
We haven't in past years where there's a little nuances to the
ways you want to play things and how that sets up in later
rounds. Feel like 2025 is a really
interesting draft landscape where the different positions
have been valued more efficiently over the years.
And we're in a, we're in a space now where structurally you can
go a lot of different ways. I think taking the tight end one
would have been a really fun structural guidepost for us.
But I mean we what about the RV? One is that good?
The tight end one is definitely easier structurally.
It is. But as kind of Ben was alluding
to before about. Even though it's a 12.
Team league, even though it's a 12 team league, like we're still
shooting for for upside and if CMC just stays healthy knock on
wood. Like I'm working on DFS
projections week 1 and. It's like 25 point baseline.
It's crazy. Like he's like 3 points better
than any, but like it's not like he's like like, oh, you can get
CMC who projects as well as Bijan at 9.
It's like, no, you get CMC who projects two to three points
better than Bichon at 9:00. I'm super excited that we got
him because when we only start talking about projections like
this, you know he's always right.
He gets a little horned up about the projections.
He's always right. I love that the child was like,
alpha play, alpha, play CMC. You guys understand how much of
an alpha Trey McBride is. This dude is a monster.
Score, Touchdowns, Ben. I keep I keep seeing posts about
how like all signs point to all these targets for George Kittle
because the receiver issues like CMC caught 100 balls a couple
years ago. I mean.
Also, the receivers were out last year and they they ran the
offense through Jawan Jennings, who they now can't be bothered
to like pay 100 extra dollars to come play for them.
Like they could have run it through them last year and they
didn't. You'll see more targets than
they, you know, did when everyone was healthy.
But it's, I don't know, the idea that he's going to be like
seeing McBride level targets is kind of silly, I think.
Yeah, so everybody should just not draft George Kittle.
He's probably not draftable until the fourth round.
Since we took CMC, Trey McBride, Almond Raw, Ginti, Nico, Derek
Henry, Brian Thomas, we are on the clock.
Is this a puka podium type pick? This is puka podium for me.
We we, we're going upside for sure because these are two
players that. Missed most of the beginning of
last season. Well, I mean, they're a little
bit riskier due to. We literally might get the the
wide receiver and running back one in like a very realistic
way. Like it's not even like crazy at
all to to say that this could be the running back one and wide
receiver one. That I don't know.
I agree it's a little risk but like why else would they be
here? Before.
They're both insane. Before the Stafford injury stuff
I had puka as like the clear wide receiver 4.
Yeah. Yeah, no, I mean, he he belongs
here. This is it's just scary.
I was just being smart a luck. It's just I mean, it is funny
that both of these guys were on IR in week two last year.
They were the biggest like dangerous, like moves.
Not great. Let's go down that.
Lightning can't strike twice, man Wow.
You definitely can't. What, what would you guys have
done? Like I I don't even know who
would have jumped it, but if it was between Brian Thomas and
Puka, what would you guys have been?
Thomas. I would have been puka so good.
I I I would have been puka, but I wouldn't have cared.
Thomas is a great pick too. Yeah.
I wonder if Fat Frankie wants a new Co manager.
I'm kidding. Gretch is already out on this
team after a Christian McCaffrey and Puka start.
Wow, wow. That's such a sick start and and
we're already betrayed. Yeah.
I mean the chat. The chat's calling it a crazy
start, and Ben Gretch is looking to swap with a stranger.
I wrote up the legendary upside for for all the running backs on
Monday. And Mccaffrey's one is I'm
writing. I'm just like, Jesus Christ,
like, like this is crazy. Like, so to do that, you know,
I, I like do projections to get the, you know, like, how does
this happen? But I'm not like, what do I
think the real I'm like, what the goal is to get them to a
legendary season. So I've like I've got I've got
to get it there somehow. So for some guys I'm like for
for Gente, for example, I was like, you need to run for
another 40 yard touchdown, buddy.
You're still, you're still not there.
So, but McCaffrey, I'm like, I got room to spare.
This is the easiest thing I've ever done.
Like 2023 is like nothing for this dude.
So yeah, he's got to stay healthy.
He's older, he's 29. We've seen guys kind of crater
unexpectedly in retrospect to be craters to be like, well, I did
miss the previous season with injury the year before.
So that that was a clue. But like, if that doesn't
happen, you know, there are scenarios where like, he takes a
step back. They use Brian Robinson more.
It's just kind of like, he kind of only scores like 16 points a
game. And it's a bummer.
But I just think a lot of his outcomes, if he's healthy, he
just absolutely crushes. But I do understand where Ben's
coming from because I've done 2 drafts from him where we drafted
in a similar range and we haven't taken McBride and I know
he loves McBride. And of course the one draft I
was in without him picking at the one O 9, it was chalk top 8
and we took McBride so well. I.
Also. Understand the frustration of
not getting like a player you really.
Yeah, I'm not necessarily frustrated.
I do think the chat is emphasizing this is the highest
upside start possible and you guys are emphasizing that.
And we also talked at the top that this is a 12 team
self-contained league and we don't need to emphasize the the
highest upside biggest risk place.
So like there is an element here where it's like what we did
would be sick in the main event and it may be sick in this as
well. But there's a reason that in
this particular format, I'm a little bit less comfortable with
it. Yeah, I guess I was thinking of
it more like I was thinking a bit more through the lens of
like, we don't need the perfect roster in the playoff weeks,
like the main event, like top to bottom at every position.
More than that, we don't want like these upside plays that
could just straight up win US the league if they're the the
right guy. Yeah.
And I don't, I'm not. I'm not, I'm not out on our
team, to be clear. The the other dynamic for Pat
and I is we have literally not had a chance to draft on this
side of the board so literally every one of these names feels
like unpacking a new present. It's like DMC and Puka, I didn't
even know they were in the fucking player pool.
Until that night. You can.
Draft them. That's a.
They're basically. NPCS for us, Pete, They're not
playable characters. It's literally like half the
board has been grayed out for us and all of our main event
drafts, unless we pull one of them up.
We're like, hey, Ted Arroyo, come on down, buddy.
We had fun doing that last week. That was.
Fun. Oh Trayvion.
I was hopeful, but Chad said no. Three O 5 that's me.
Yeah, so we're going to be picking at 39 here.
I can rattle off the pick since we took puka, Drake, London,
Chase, Brown, Bucky A Chan, A.J. Brown, Taylor, Kittle, Jacobs
round out round 2T. Higgins, Lad, Hampton, Kyron,
Williams and Henderson kick off round three.
We pick at 3-9 after ACMC and puka start.
Lamar goes off the board, our first quarterback here.
I think the first year we had a little bit of a late 1st rounder
and I, it was probably Leonie. We went.
I think it was Leonie that got us on.
Austin Eckler or Pat. You were into him too, I think.
I mean I think I was vaguely into him, but I touched off.
But was that the year you won? No, because it was 2020, the
first year we did. It Eckler was the NFFC draft.
The NFC. Draft.
That wasn't the year I won. We like honestly survived kind
of a shaky draft because we just like.
Yeah. Navigated it really really well.
I want to say it involved Kyle Pitts in like round four or
five. I just left it as shaky but.
I almost had to read the receipt, yeah.
That wasn't the Chase year. That's right.
No, the the chase year was we took, I think we took JT instead
of Saquon. That's right.
And that was. The back end of the round, that
was. Wanted JT and we wanted Saquon
and I. I deferred.
I think I was on the sticks that night.
All right, we're on deck, Lamar and JSN.
Hold up, Joe Josh Allen goes here.
What are we thinking, fellas? Yeah.
So we already have a running back.
I think while there's no great pick here, I just think we take
the two receivers we like or take one of the the two
receivers we like best. That would be my my path.
I agree. Yeah, yeah, let's I, I like what
you wrote in the chat. I think that's the.
Right. I, I love that those were the
two guys. I was like when I I didn't get
to contribute to our group chat and those were literally the two
names I was into. I'm into that too.
So McMillan then? McMillan Yeah, yeah, OK, let's.
Do it. Ted Arroyo McMillan is the pick.
We pulled him up with Ben the other night to the early 3rd.
We get him here at 39 and I was watching you guys and good thing
I. Was like.
I literally just put them in the I like talking.
I was like, I better make sure he's up.
Top, like I said in my head, when Leonie is here, he's the
adult in the room who's making the picks and I keep forgetting.
Don't worry, I will be on top of it.
This is the alpha play. Now we're back on.
We're back on track. Instead of old guys who were on
IR last year, we just had guys that were in college.
It's. A third year play.
It's like he's not even fully in his prime.
Yeah. What is this this curve you're
grading on right now? I just, I wanted a rookie really
bad. You know me.
We did it. He's 24 years old.
How old is? McBride probably older than 25,
Yeah. He's almost 26, dude, that dude
put. On Wow.
Jay McBride. Seriously.
Tight ends are on a different scale.
Old ass Nikua. You know, I've heard a lot of
criticisms about puka. You know, none of them have been
his age. I have.
Look, if you if you spent part of last year on IR, then you're
old. That's part of that's the rule.
You're just, you're just old. James Cook comes off Tyree Kill
and then we'll see what the 12 hole does.
They started Ginti and Nico. We'll see what comes back around
to us. Kenneth Walker there at 3:12.
Very interesting. He would have been in the
discussion for me at three O 9. But Pat, you said you weren't
really into him, correct? Who?
Kenneth Walker. Kenneth Walker.
Oh, private chat's popping off. Yeah.
Wow. Yeah, Marvin Harrison goes there
as well. So we got 2 picks until we are
on. Let's see here.
Someone was asking the prizes for the big payback league.
So the first person there's two regular season prizes seed one
and seed 2 each get 5K and then the league playoffs which go
week 15 through 17, first gets 25 K, second gets 14K and 3rd
gets 5K. So the sweep would be 30K
Devante Adams goes and we are on deck here with a couple of good
options to select at at wide receiver.
Yeah, I think we all have the same top option and then we're a
little bit split on if that top option should get selected.
Yeah, OK. And we get the we're, we're all
aligned right. Yeah, yeah, we're on the same
page. Wilson goes Xavier Worthy.
Go ahead and click Mike Evans. Chalk this up for Silva, OH.
My God be careful with the jokes.
I didn't draft it. Let me just make sure before I
click it. We are all on board with
selecting one Mr. Xavier Worthy. Right, so they were worthy.
Let's go. OK, all right, there he goes.
CMC Puka Nakua, Tetaroya Mcmillion, Xavier Worthy.
Finally getting some youth into this retirement.
Yeah, thank God. Thank God.
Those 2 old guys to start. Couple 22 year olds on the
roster there. We go, but we take, we take the
high upside falling values in the 1st 2 rounds and then we
maybe slightly pull up the 2 high upside guys that we really
like in three and four and. You guys know what I love about
22 year olds, right? Keep getting older, but they
stay the time. Jesus drives me OK.
Matthew McConaughey. That line hits different when
you're talking about young men in pads.
But Ben, I know you love these two, two players, so hopefully
we've pulled you back in. I'm back from the brink, baby.
We're betting 50%. No, I'm kidding.
I love McCaffrey and Puka too. I'm kidding.
I'm. Kidding.
Yeah, take that. Fat freaky.
I don't. I don't want on this guy's team
anymore, Cook. Yeah, you wanted to divest the
second he took James Cook. But this, it's what always
happens with the chat, right? We always do these drafts and
they start getting the eyes for another team.
They're like, oh, look at what the five hole did or whatever.
And then five rounds later they're they're very quiet
because that team inevitably fucked it up.
So just keep your eyes on the prize, guys.
So one of the guys I was floating was Garrett Wilson,
Ifworthy went and Leonie and and Gretch.
You guys were both not too high on him.
We we took him in our first main at like the three O 3 or
something, three O 4 and I don't know, I was like, I don't know
that that much has changed. I know that the vibes on The
Jets have gotten worse. I know they're going to run a
lot, but like they're wide receiver 2 locked in as Josh
Reynolds. The secondary target might be
Mason Taylor or it's Breece Hall, who they're probably going
to play behind Isaiah Davis for some reason.
So like, how do they not feed this guy, a guy we were all oh,
they're going to feed a talent perspective.
You give him a 30% target share on a projection, it's still not
very good because Justin Fields gets off about 82% of his drop
backs turn into pass attempts, which is really low because of
the sacks and the scrambles. And they're going to run a ton
that that this team's going to try to run and play defense.
Everyone of their offensive lineman has a higher.
Run blocking grade than a pass blocking grade.
They've talked about their three running backs.
They've talked about how Justin Fields dual threat ability
allows their offense to do different things.
It's one of the first things that Glenn talked about at the
league meetings after they signed fields.
It's a in the coach speak index. There's a quote where he's like,
he gives us that dual threat ability that all these teams are
trying to find because of how it impacts defenses, right.
So they're going to they're going to use them on design
runs, all that stuff. They're going to be, if they're
higher than bottom 5 in past attempts in the league, I think
that's a massive upside hit like they're going to be so.
Do you think they're going to be good?
No. How are they going to get away
with that then? Oh.
They're going to play good defense.
They're going to. You're not going to want to play
teams against The Jets in DFS. They're going to.
Everything's going to be slow paced slogs on Dorman's
articles. It's going to be bad.
That that's probably where we disagree.
I think this team, I mean, the way the Lions have played,
they've played to win games. They haven't, they haven't been
afraid. They've been trying to put up
points. They they run the ball to try to
establish, but they're not they're not Arthur Smith, you
know, so I, I don't know, I, I think they're going to pass less
than, you know, I would prefer, but I don't think they're going
to be this like super sloggy type of team.
The 2022 Lions, they had four 559 drop backs, 16th in the
league. Like I.
Oh, I don't. Why would it be anything like
the Lions just because Glenn came over?
Well, the Glenn and the offensive coordinator came from
the Lions. Oh sure, but I mean.
Like they're like the. Lions that came from the Lions.
They've been pretty. The Lions have been pretty
negative PROE with some pretty talented pass catchers and they
but Jared Goff is the opposite of fields in terms of.
Different quarterbacks. That's what I meant about the
Lions point. Totally different quarterback.
So I'm, I'm a little bit more on Ben's side here, I think.
I agree a drop back's worth less.
A Goff drop back's worth worth less than a Field's drop back.
That's obvious for sure. Yeah, but.
I think there's a decent chances is like the lowest statistical
output of his career this year. Yeah, Wilson or Fields.
Wilson. I agree with that.
Yeah, I, I think they, I think they, they throw for like I
would be surprised if they had less than 500 drop backs a
couple years ago. When DJ Moore was with with
Fields and me and Leonie were both off, him and Leonie ended
up like with public apologies. I, I, I have been since then
saying that the, the outcome on DJ Moore that year validated the
case because he still wasn't league winning.
He did not bear you for not having him.
Like I, I think part of the fate is not that he's not going to be
good. It's that at this range, I want
sealing and I, he's not going to bury you if you don't select
him. I'm almost certain of that.
So you're playing for a small win time.
It means probably a small miss too.
But I think there's a he's going, Garrett Wilson's going
higher than DJ Moore was that year.
Moore ended up as a bottom top 10 points per game option.
And he ran like God. And he ran like God, like the.
Highest I remember all of our inputs like mostly were ended up
being correct like particularly it wasn't that the issue wasn't
that Moore got a shit load of the team's targets.
The issue was that the discrepancy between Moore's
efficiency and everyone else's was like the most insane gap
you're like just ever going to see on a team.
And like Wilson hasn't. I mean, Wilson's earned a shit
load of volume this three years. I mean, he's averaging over 150
targets a year. So I don't know if I think
there's only room for that to go down despite Adams being gone
and they're not being competition.
And I know his quarterbacks have sucked, but he is not.
I mean, he hasn't been that good on a per target basis that like
I, I, I want to be super convinced he was an absolute
superstar if I'm taking him in this spot and I guess I'm just
not super. We're about to be on the clock.
Yeah, we threw. Some names in the deck.
Yeah, there. Yeah, this, this could be a time
to pivot away from wide receiver if there's a non wide receiver
pick we like here knowing we're going to like the pick, the wide
receiver pick in the early 6th. Yeah, coming back is what I was.
I would probably do. What do you think, Pat?
That's. Laporta's the highest guy on my
ranks right now and so I have no issue if we want to just do that
for structure. I think LaPorte is a pretty good
structural pick. What do you guys think?
That's Laporta, but we have a pretty optimistic projection on
him. So I think we all have Laporta
as our top pick, is that right? I think we're going to get a
receiver in the next round we like as well, so I think we take
Laporta. Yeah.
That's what I wanted to. I wanted to like podium that.
I think LaPorte has a really strong pick there.
They basically forgot him in the first half of the year when
Jameson Williams broke out and then about week 11 I think it
was, he missed from that point on.
If you look at his targets per game versus prior to that,
because he missed one game. When he came back, he was like
his targets per game were like double.
Like. I don't think it gets talked
about enough that they already sort of self corrected within
the year to the fact that they had this dynamic tight end that
they weren't using enough just because they had another player
breaking out that they were kind of focusing on more.
And they're like, wait, well, we do want to use this guy too.
They've talked about it a lot this offseason.
The new coordinator has talked about Laporta in addition to
Jameson and Gibbs as the guys he's highlighted that he wants
to build the offense around, get the ball in their hands as much
as possible. These things like I think the
Port is a pretty good pick in the 5th.
Now it's him and Kittle are very similar profile.
Siegel said this when you guys dropped them.
They're similar profiles. Last year you want to take
Kittle when you got him cheaper. You don't want to chase him up
necessarily into the second. When you get Laporta now all the
way back down here, I like it. He's also one of the his his
first read stuff fell last year and you can go well could fall
further and Jameson could take more of a step.
But if the Jameson stuff ends up being kind of hype, the most
obvious thing would be that Laporta bounces back to where he
was a couple years ago when he was a bigger priority in the
offense. So yeah, I think he's a pretty
good buy low candidate for redraft stuff.
They also sort of figured it out down the stretch where like
Jameson was getting a like they were just more concentrated on
Jameson LaPorte and Ahmad Rah down the stretch and they were
all kind of getting, there's the second-half of the year, which
gives me some optimism that. That can carry over for.
Sure. And I also think the team pass
volumes probably going to be up, which is just, you know, there's
gonna be less touchdowns, which is bad.
But for pass catchers, especially in Titan Premium, the
extra pass volume for Laporta should hopefully help.
So we take Laporta to pair with CMC Puka, Tedaroya McMillan and
Xavier Worthy. After we picked Chuba Ridley and
Connor come off and Tyler Warren there.
Two more picks and we are up. Sam Laporta prior to Week 11
season. High was 6 targets.
Average was 3.6 targets per game from that point forward.
He hit at least 6 targets in each of the team's final eight
games, including the playoffs, averaging 77.3.
So his previous season high was 6, and then he's averaging 7.3
down, you know, down the stretch in the in 1/2 season 8 games.
It's pretty sweet. Yeah, there are going to be a
lot. Of wide receivers we like at
this pick. Yeah, I think we're I, I at
least I'm going to be happy almost no matter what we do
here. Yep.
Yep, I have the same top 2 as Pat Pollard goes.
So we're getting at least one of those guys there.
One of those guys will be. There, I just.
I scratched you on a second as well.
Yeah, choose. It's, it's already back.
So Pollard goes Swift goes. We're on the clock here.
Yeah, you guys have the same kinds of.
Cool. I don't know, maybe you were
lower on the second guy, but. Seems like we're all on Hunter.
Yeah, I guess I'd make the in the 12 team league element like
Zay is a locked in wide receiver one on his team.
Great offense, going to score plenty of points.
But I do like Zay, the 12 team, I don't know.
I mean, take a bunch of these huge upside swings that like if
some of them boss and some of them hit that.
Kind of offset. I don't know if I'm talking
ourselves off of the better pick there, but I guess I'd just
float that as like. I like wide receiver 4I, I like
the, I like the alpha swing that Leonie's talking about.
He's already our 4th. We don't.
Need I'll go either way. Either way for me.
I'm good with it. What's your lean, Gretch?
You're the. Hunter.
Hunter All right, let's do Hunter.
I, I, I hear you, Pat. And I have Zay right behind
Hunter. And that's who we were.
We're talking. They're both awesome picks
there. They're both awesome picks.
There, if we had another running back earlier, I think I would
have went Zay with you on your point.
But the fact that we already got 3, Leonie was saying what I was
thinking, which is you take a bunch of these huge swings,
you're probably going to miss on some of them.
What I love about the Hunter thing that doesn't get discussed
enough is if Brian Thomas misses time at all, they're going to
run more Hunter outs and take him off defense because they're
they're not deep. Bretton Strange is not a big
target earner. Their number 3 receivers, Diami
Brown was not. He was efficient, but not a big
target earner last year. Parker Washington's fine.
Like I think the Hunter gets a little bit more of like an alpha
treatment at that point. He we don't know what the routes
are going to be early in the season, but all rookies tend to
need a little time to build up. I think this is you, you take
him in this range, you're you're not even necessarily thinking
you have to start him in the early part of the season.
Obviously right now he's he's a flex for us, but we are giving
him some room to build up into some routes.
But I think the ceiling if Thomas were to miss any time
during the season could be so massive.
And then the big stab on Liam Cohen last year, both Evans and
Godwin had career high yards per out run.
Like he had the ability to get the ball in the hands of his
best players. That's why I love Thomas too,
his scheme is built for production for his best guys,
which is a really nice trait to have obviously.
Yeah. By the way, the numbers outside
of me before were target numbers, not drop backs.
But the the stuff was pretty similar, yeah.
So. I do think, oh, go ahead.
I, I like Hunter there. I do think Zay by the market is
a little undervalued in terms of his potential upside.
Talked about this before, but a lot of these high end teams like
all ran pure last year like it was a historic year for
favorites winning, you know, last year in Vegas.
And some of these teams that won 1314 games just aren't going to
win 1314 games again as good as we think they are on paper.
And that's going to obviously dictate the game flow and the
drop back rates a little bit. Yeah, there's a lot more volume
that the Ravens can have. They they were kind of crazy,
crazy low last year. So the squad we go, CMC, Puka,
Tetaroya, Xavier, Worthy, Laporta come back and grab
Travis Hunter. There were a ton of good options
there. Only one wide receiver went
between our 2 picks there. Ridley it was Chuba, Connor,
Warren, Pollard, Swift. Right after we pick Pacheco
comes off the board. Ricky Piersall.
Of course, you cannot do a stream and be in the sixth round
without some calls for a Ricky Piersall selection from the
chat. Evan Ingram's a Flowers Travis
Kelsey I do love the Laporta pick.
When you see, you know Warren Ingram and Kelsey come off the.
Board. That shortly after.
Yeah, I'm glad you guys made me take the boring pecs and not get
like go out over my skis with Trey McBride and Brian Thomas in
the 1st 2:00. Hey just curious who has like
the highest yards per hour run in his first two years?
Like any receiver in. History.
Ever. And is entering year three at 24
years old. It's just boring, Pat.
He's been so good. Like, how could he be better,
you know? Pat, we are so aligned on this
poop. Stan, like, what are we talking
about? He's that's awesome, the best
young receiver in the league. This.
Team's the best young receiver in NFL history and people are
like, yeah. He's too old for a guy that's.
Young man, yeah, he's got to find the next guy.
We can't just take the dude who's like going in the second
round, like he could easily be the one-on-one next year.
That's crazy. Too much Leonie.
What is the What is the week 1 projection looking like between
Puka and Devante? I just did this in terms of the
target share very, very early. Of course I think I had puka
like 26% and Adam's like 2322. Yeah.
But I, we, we, it definitely is going to need another another
look over. As of all the weeks to do
projections, is week one one of the most stressful?
Week 1 and Week 18. Yeah, kid.
What are you guys doing? Sometimes honestly, sometimes
Week 2's stressful. Like I remember last year, Week
3 honestly, like having to deal with Levitan and Wiggins.
Give me all this Derek Carr propaganda.
They can't tell me these things. And Einsteins.
Don't say anything bad about my cause.
And, and it was, I remember we had them like the second highest
yards per attempt of like any quarterback of week 3.
And they're like, I don't know if we're high enough on Derek
Carr. And I'm like, so sometimes those
weeks are more stressful because there's like if you're wrong and
it like looks worse, kind of like week 1, everyone's kind of
like, well, we don't know what's going to happen.
But week two or three, sometimes people are like, didn't you guys
just see weeks one and two and. Yeah, the one data point thing
is very real. People don't understand that
there's still other data points to come.
Can anyone explain to me Hawkinson at Titan eight behind?
I mean, I get the warn, but so Ingram and Kelsey that.
I can't explain it. There's a lot of carthy fudd, I
think, and Minnesota's going to run a lot more concerns.
And I think like, even if both those were true, Hawkinson would
still be fine. So.
Yeah, I'm glad we get Laporta there.
You see the big gap between Kettle and Laporta of over 3
rounds. And then since we've taken
Laporta, 6 tight ends have gone off the board.
People forget it's tight end premium.
You do run into a scarcity issue of, you know, exciting profiles
at a certain point. That's part of the the McBride
love in the early part for people who are, you know,
drafting on FFPC later or whatever.
Structurally it helps a lot because this is the range where
you have to make some tough calls when you go head to head
tight end for some of these receivers.
But ma'am, the Laporta pick looks great.
It does, it really does just frees you up there to it because
there's nothing worse than like, you know, you, you let Lepore to
go and then you really want to take a receiver in the early
sticks and then you see a run of tight ends go and then you're
like, holy shit, I'm going to have to take like 5 of them from
round 11 on or something. I feel like if a couple picks
break right in the next 4, we're going to get a a very good
selection here that we're going to be pretty happy with.
Yeah, so since we took Hunter Pacheco, Piersall Ingram,
Zayflowers, Kelsey, Judy Hawkinson, David Montgomery.
Seventh round starts out with David Najoku.
Rashi Rice finally goes off at 7 two, then Mark Andrews digs A
doonsay comes off, then alave 2 more picks and we are up.
As I say that 222 of the guys I. Like, yeah, that's two of the
guys. Tucker Craft goes though, that's
nice. This side of the board is so
much more fun than the other side.
It's like every pick feels good compared to.
What? I was saying in the chat,
though, Ben and I drafted from this spot and it was a weird
draft and this side of the board got kind of annoying for us in
our last draft. It's breaking much more
favorably this draft, I feel like for us.
We have two good choices is the chat.
Are you guys with the chat here? Yep.
Yeah, those. There's another dude I'd float.
OK, Yeah, float him. Float him.
Yeah, I put, I put the. I don't know if that's your guy
too, Pat. I would have, I think I would
have podium smashed Golden, yeah.
Yeah, Pats is interesting too. Pats is definitely interesting.
Like why? Not.
Because the AD PS After our next pick for.
Yours OK, OK, OK, OK. Maybe I that I actually didn't.
Realize is that is that the updated the updated ADP?
I'm looking at the. Since Monday, it has my guy a
couple picks ahead, my guy's righted our pick in the next
round, Pat's guy has a few picks behind it.
OK, there's also the the so the both the the rooms.
Are out of me too. Yeah, I don't know.
I would be my receiver over Peters, but I don't know, I
would be like 2. I think, but I what?
Do you think, Pete? I'm, I'm good.
I, I love, I love Addison. So I.
I think Addison, yeah. OK.
Here. Yeah, that was a little tricky
because a Doomsay, Alave and Golden were the three names that
Leoni was alluding to when he said some falling stuff.
I had, I had added Addison Golden, I think would.
I was hoping Golden would have made it.
There I wasn't. Low on him.
I was going to let you guys smash.
That yeah, I've been low. You've all heard me be a little
bit low on it, especially you, Leoni.
But I was. I was excited for Golden.
I was bummed when he went right there.
That was a bummer. So we add Jordan Addison, which
is I had floated Debo. He goes one pick after.
But on a team where you have the four wide receivers up top, you
don't have to start Jordan Addison off the RIP.
You can sit on that for three weeks and then really be able to
kind of pick how you want to play.
That flex spot is pretty nice. Through some some just ideas in
chat to just start thinking about.
Yeah, those are, those are DS. Yep.
This is where I'm starting to think a little bit like rounds
ahead as far as what we might want to do because we've been
very wide receiver heavy, which is not bad, but no but it like.
You said it like limits. Yeah, your your ability to take
some other interesting Flyers, that wide receiver that we might
like, man, you take, you take CMC and then go away from the
running back position for a few rounds and people already start
calling for Javonte Williams on the squat.
Leonie doesn't even want to talk about it because he actually
wants Javonte. Williams, I do.
All right, all right. Khalil Shakur goes as well.
We got 2 picks until we are up. For people just tuning in, this
is a self-contained 12 person $5000 buy in.
High stakes league so no playoff Sprint like the FFPC there.
Top three teams get prizes. 25K to 1st, 1st and 2nd place in the
regular season get 5K as well. Of all these people tuning in to
listen to listen George. Click yeah, there goes Loveland.
So that that was a big. OK, we got a you.
Guys are all. So the the question here I think
is Tracy. Goes to in.
Loveland, it's running back. Or Mahomes.
I'd be Mahomes.
I'm slightly running back, just, I feel like I, I don't know, you
could play them at home. So I could go either way.
I'm slightly running back here, probably Caleb, but I could
move. Caleb down quite a bit.
I liked your charbonnet option. I like Charbonnet as well.
To me, it's like there's a tear break at at running back.
This is where you grab quarterback.
I do. Quarterback we all like here.
Worthy. Yeah, we get him stacked up.
We get him at a good price. Yeah, I'm just struggling with
like how much more Mahomes adds to like the round 12 Q BS.
But I guess there's a there's a bit more meat on the bone than.
If Worthy hits, he could add a lot more.
But I think there's some potential for Mahomes to have a
really big season this. Year.
OK, let's let's let's go Mahomes.
Yeah. I mean I'm in general betting on
Mahomes. It's more just how these FFPC
drafts play out than it is not like in Mahomes was was just my
thought process. But I do think going non wide
receiver there kind of works for us because there's probably
going to be a couple more wide receivers that we like that we
don't want to box ourselves out of later.
Yeah, I agree and I do I, yeah, obviously you slightly prefer
some of the running backs here relative to the ones that will
come back. But man, it does feel like a
pretty flat tier as far as like what you're buying as far as
early season touches or contingent upside or whatever.
I don't think we'll look back on the 2 V twos of quarterback,
running back, running back, quarterback and and be
disappointed here. Yeah, I feel, I feel good about
it. Like Leonie?
When you were mentioning the running backs, you didn't
mention Mason. Was that just a slight overlook
or you not super? Probably probably a slight, just
a slight overlook. I think it was all like pretty
similar tier there. I do think Aaron Jones is a
better bat than Mason, especially for PPR, but Aaron
Jones ended up going beforehand anyways.
Yeah. Yeah, You listed it when Jones
was still on the board. I'm seeing that now.
So it makes sense that you would just list the preferred for that
team that yeah. Yeah, I think Jones for our team
in a 12 team, it would have made sense for like I'm not overly
concerned about like our starting lineup week 1, but.
It's also it's a pretty good but starting lineup we.
Got it. Things are things are breaking
pretty well for us. We've got a ton of upside.
I don't. I wouldn't have minded if the
opportunity presented itself to like get a second starting
running back in round 8, but. Do you get to do the take a peek
thing in this? You don't get it right.
I don't think you get it. I think it's just main event,
but I'm not 100% sure. That would be pretty silly.
So the team here threw 8 rounds CMC up top Puka, Tetaroya,
McMillan, Xavier Worthy, Sam Laporta are tied in the 5th.
Come back grab Travis Hunter and Jordan Addison in the 6th and
the 7th. Running back feeling flat so we
grab Patrick Mahomes. We were considering Loveland who
went 2 picks before us to kind of double tap and crank a little
purple there. After we pick Charbonnay, Mason,
Michael Pittman, ETNJK Dobbins and Jacoby Myers come off the
board. By ADP, Mahomes has been going
709. I do think that's a little bit
low personally. I have him in the tier with
Burrow. These running backs are all in
eight that have been going since we've picked it's yeah, Caleb
Johnson's 801, Dobbins 812, ETN 809, Mason 806.
So a lot of Charbonnay eight O 3.
So anyway, we did take the slight ADP discount there.
I like I like Mahomes in the upside.
I mean, there's just part of me that'll be like, you know, Rock
Birdie or Caleb Williams when, you know, we're taking maybe
some sketchy running backs. But I like the bat and we have
Worthy. So obviously I have the
correlation there. Yeah.
And to me, like if you want to talk about season long
correlation, like those two guys are about as tied together as
anybody. Like if Worthy is a smash then
then the home point gets back to being Mahomes and then all of a
sudden Abraham Mahomes seems insane like.
And I do think this is the type of upside that is, yeah, I think
this is a type upside that's totally worth chasing in even in
a 12 team self-contained league where like you've already made a
fourth round bet on Worthy. Yeah, we already bet on it.
You. Still got to beat 11 other good
teams. Like if he, if you're thinking
he's going to be a bust, you're probably not thinking about it,
right? That's a that's a very strong
correlate correlative pull. Like you said, if worthy
starting to the way worthy hits is on the deep balls, right,
very straightforward. He didn't hit on any of them
last year. He's going to get manufactured
touches. Will he hit on the deep balls
this year if he's hitting on the deep balls?
Patrick Mahomes profile looks a lot different too.
Or if he's, if they're hitting on some intermediate stuff where
he's full speed and he's, he's adding a bunch of yak and
they're just like they're aggressive, they're attacking.
They, they're like, you know, maybe handing off to Pacheco for
3 1/2 yards isn't our best option.
We should just attack through the air like we want to and like
we have done for most of this guy's career.
Which they said all offseason is what they want to do.
I mean, they've been pretty clear about it.
They want to try to be more aggressive vertically than
they've been able to be the last couple years.
They wanted to last offseason, then everyone got hurt.
They were down to a 21 year old rookie first rounder as they're
basically their only playmaker. Like that's.
So they added even more weapons. They added Jalen Royals and
Burchard Smith and they brought back Hollywood Brown and they
let some of those guys like Justin Watson go and, and, and
they've traded away Sky Moore and, and like they're just not
going to give routes to the those types of players.
They're trying to make sure everyone that's running routes
is a Taekwon Thornton had a really big option.
Might honestly. Help like 'cause he's he runs a
4/2. Yeah, you.
Know Iquan Thornton has helped one of us win money before he's.
Right, just one of us. He's helped the rest of us lose
money. Also for the chat, lots of
people talking about Bill who goes 92 here.
Lots of disappointment that we didn't draft Bill.
Guess what guys, I have good news for you.
You can go watch literally any other fucking.
Draft we've done. All year and Bill was drafted on
that team. So, you know, yeah, for real,
it's going to be OK. Even slow drafts you didn't see?
Yes. We have so much God damn Bill.
It's good. To be like that's the right
price on Bill, where he went in this draft is probably about
right. Yeah, 9/2, not an ARF, ARF kind
of price there. He's going to get the Leonie
stamp of approval. I was giving Jacob some crap for
suggesting him in the late eight in the first, the one where you
guys took him where Davis was tweeting out and bragging, and
then when we were on together, I got.
Him we got bragging by the top burrito.
Yeah. And then when I was on with you
guys, we got him at nine O 3 and Jacob texted me, he's like,
you're giving me crap. I'm taking him at 8:10 and you
took him at nine O 3. And I was like, hey, that's a
round difference. Big, big difference.
Price matters, dude. All right, we are on deck here.
Bill did go. We've seen some tight ends go
here. Dallas Goddard, Kincaid
Ferguson, the other running backs, Braylon Allen, Javante,
Caleb Johnson. Yeah, this is, this is a a tough
turn for us. I think it's like there's going
to be there's a few receivers that we really like.
We should definitely probably take a right back though, and
you could possibly argue too even with the receivers on the
boards, but it's a little bit of a tricky.
Yeah, running backs going, Samson goes, yeah, to me that's
that's signal we should, we should grab a running back.
Yeah, I think we'd grab a running back too.
Yeah. That was an aggressive.
I like the. Yeah, that's my, that's my.
Favorite play here? Never never gonna say no to
tooten that the that the consensus.
Yeah, I'm, I'm definitely good with Tooten.
When I, when I was on, somebody brought this up when I was on
with you guys, one of the first times after I, I, I stopped
coming on regularly right before the draft.
I was, you were getting me up to speed.
I think Pat was with the, the rookies and I said, who's the
dude that has the sickest name, like Sky Moore the sickest.
And Pat, you were like, there's this dude named Bashel dude.
And it was like the first thing you said and I was like that.
Let's go. I really that's not why I've I
since became a huge fan that would be.
Disappointing. To learn if deep down, it's
because his name's actually really sweet.
His name's incredible, dude. I was helping my brother-in-law
in like a casual league a couple nights ago and I was telling him
about Bashel Tooten and like put him in the queue for the next
turn or whatever and he shows me in the chat, somebody's like
Bashel Tooten. Half these players are made-up.
There's no way that's a real name.
I'm. Like.
That's what the that's what the Home Leaguers are discussing is
Bashel Tooten's name. Cooper Cup goes after we take
Tooten. We're through 9 rounds.
We got the one quarterback, we got the 2 running backs, 5 wide
receivers and a tight end here. TFSR says these guys have their
fortunes tied to Tooten. There was talk one of the swole
cast topics today was if there was another ship chasing clip
made that wasn't Harold Fannin, who would it be?
And Tooten was the the consensus.
Nominee, yeah, but we can't do that financially.
I know I I completely agree. There goes Blue.
Blue was the guy that I really liked for this turn as well but
think the market is not reacting enough to him being clearly one
of the top 2 running backs and his ankle injury seems to be a
non issue. He also had like a pretty good
pre season performance in terms of showing he can do some of the
stuff we're concerned about. All right, I'm gonna, I'm gonna
ask the chat if we can, or the Commission if we can roll this
back. This guy says Tootin looks
hesitant. Not finishing, runs low enough
to the ground. Hasn't impressed me low.
Enough to the ground is so good do.
We do, we have a commissioner in here, all right?
I gotta ask him. We gotta we we find someone
watch the paint for us and we can't take this guy.
He's. Just not low enough to the
ground when he runs. Is that pad level?
Are you saying pad level? I mean, that's the reason Davis
Maddox is going to rush for 500 yards against middle schoolers
is because of how low to the ground he is.
That's true. I'm with Davis on that.
I think you guys, you guys kept moving the the the goal line,
the goal sticks. Oh, hang on.
Wow, Zach Ertz goes if you want to know the state of tight ends
in this room. Gordon.
Ollie Gordon. This is top because there's a
receiver I think we all like, but I God, I, I almost think
this room's been pretty running back heavy these last couple
rounds. I almost think we and yet
somehow there's an ADP faller despite it being the biggest.
ADP Faller more so than the running any of the receivers or
anything. I I think we do it OK.
Pete seems into it. Pat, you were into it, right?
Are we talking about Scat Cam Scat?
But yeah, I think he makes a ton of sense.
I mean, he's white, but other than that, let's let's.
Take scat and. That same conversation we had,
Pat, you were telling me Scat was a really good profile, and I
was like, yeah, but he's white. These these two guys that we
have came out for me as prospects ahead of Caleb Johnson
and I think, you know, have both kind of set up to like take jobs
over the course of the season, which is actually what Caleb
Johnson's going to have to do too.
And I, I kind of feel better about them doing it from, you
know, the, from the situation. And then I think ultimately
they're, you know, the, the, some of the Johnson stuff for me
is that the the pass sketching stuff?
So, but even if you say they're equivalent, I I feel better
about Tooting and Scatterboo ultimately being like true
starters than I do about Caleb Johnson at this point.
I bought some of the Caleb dip just because I look at the
archetypes in that room and I'm like, how does Caleb not get
like a shit load of carries? But yeah, the gap is.
He's gonna get carries. Shit load is the part where I'm
I'm actually pretty nervous at. Maybe not shit load but like
yeah should lead the team in carries.
I'm with you, I'm with you. That he probably ends up.
Here's the team CMC, Puka T Mac, Xavier Worthy, Sam LaPorte,
Travis Hunter, Jordan Addison, Patrick Mahomes.
Then we get a little green here, Bashell Tooten and Cam Scatabo,
two fourth round picks who definitely would have gone in
the second round if this running back class wasn't so deep.
That's what I'm telling. About, I mean they both went in
the first 3 picks of the fourth round, so they were basically.
Third, third round adjusted that.
Counts as a third rounder. It's a third round adjusted.
Yeah, yeah. I got called.
Even big kids in the early fourth round.
Actually, to be honest, I mean the early fourth round has been
pretty good spot. Yeah, people don't talk about
that, but the hot spot for running backs is clearly their.
It's actually the early 4th, more than the first actually.
People, they have a hard time believing it, but you'd actually
rather be drafted to the 4th. What are you, what are you guys
making of this, this Ollie Rise? You know, I've been, I was doing
a couple basketball manias today.
He was going 12th, 13th round in both of them.
Is that silly or fair? He's super fun, but a head of
scataboo is wild to me. I think that's it's very silly.
That's why I said Ollie when he went.
I was like, how does he go if you are into a rookie running
back? If we had another week for
people to settle down, I don't think he would keep going that
early. You always play the boomerang on
the rookie AT PS. I hey, I mean.
We had another week A Chan and Jalen Wright could get healthy.
But I don't think like the a Chan injury is really that
significant. Was talking with Levitan on our
slack and he's like if if the CMC thing ever happened last
year like no one would care about the HNA.
Like. I think he's the.
Because we. Didn't care about the CMC one.
Not to put too much stock into like the Twitter docs or
anything, but it seems like it's mostly innocuous injury that
he's going to be totally fine. Like maybe he doesn't play week
1 if they're being extra cautious, but not a ton of re
injury risk. So, and then, I don't know,
yeah, I guess maybe I'm not giving Gordon enough credit as
being like maybe 100% clear RB2 as we get into the middle of the
season. Can I tell the chat that I just
clicked over the private chat and Leonie wrote his longest
message that he's written the entire time?
It's 4 lines long and he also previously wrote a four line one
about the same player and it was Christian Kirk just just just so
which actually would have not you didn't even have to do a
sell. It was just a very there are.
Types of players where I'm like, I am going to have to to like
reset the like negotiation, like I'm going to have to like set
the vibe at a certain point. 11th round Christian Kirk is
fine. I don't.
I'm not. Yeah, I begin.
No, I know. I just thought it was hilarious.
I thought it was very funny. Just refer.
To him as the slot demon. Sorry, Pete.
Jayden Reed, Josh Downs were two of the guys we were talking a
little bit about at the Scataboo pick.
Based on this running back run, I feel really good about double
tapping running backs there. Yeah, I do.
I like the. Yeah.
This is where I I think Mahomes was the right pick, but this is
where we do start to see our six wide receivers gonna end up
dipping maybe on this 2V2. Yeah, potentially.
Yeah, I'm. Trying to reverse jinx it.
Who? Wait, who is Who is going to be
our wide receiver selection if we didn't take Mahomes?
Probably read. Probably get read somewhere in
in that mix. I don't know the exact order we
would have. Because we we probably go
quarterback and then we come back.
And we might have gone, we might have gone like Charbonnet and
then maybe just gone one of two and Scatabo and got in Reed or
something. See, I'm going to like this 2V.
Two, I'm going to like this 2. V2 If this pick goes the way I
if we survive one more pick, I'm going to like the two V2 a lot.
I think it was the right. I think Mahomes was the right
pick. Either way, I'm just.
What about the guy said in the in the chat right now?
Yeah, that's the, that's I think the guy Pete and I are thinking
too. Yes.
I guess that was my backup. That's my backup but but I'm
like actually. Yeah, I think it's like a decent
drop. Off.
Yeah, I'm just saying that I won't be devastated if the if we
go that way, you know? Yeah, me neither.
No, I'd be happy. I'd be happy.
I'll be. This is locked in that I prefer
the two V2 with Mahomes like there's no.
Way I don't know. Yeah.
I'm I'm lower on this second guy than you guys are.
OK, OK. I mean, I think he's the right
pick. I think he's the right backup
pick, but I think it's a decent drop off.
I think there's like an extremely big teardrop.
Yeah, so as this guy times out, here he goes.
Jerome Ford, the podium burden. Luther Burden.
There you go. Yeah, that 2V2 looks nice now.
Fuck. Yeah, I floated Burden at the
Mahomes pick. You did.
And. I told you 11 O 480P chance he
gets back to eleven O 9 I. Think I was pushing, wait, I
think I was pushing tooten then, and then I was pushing bird in
around tooten. That's what it was.
I think we read the room right though on the scatter, but like
with the scatterball pick, we made the right pick.
We didn't. I had to do it like we could
have. Easily not done that because of
some other players we liked, but that was that was definitely the
right. Pick.
Can we discuss that Puka Dekua having three years of experience
makes him easily a senior citizen on our roster.
Like, yeah. Greg, after CMC Puka, I just
want to let you know Xavier Worthy, like the youngest
sophomore in the league, Ted Roy McMillan, Travis Slutter, they
shall tune Camp Scativo and Luther Burden.
We're back, baby. Higgins was our backup who I
agree would have been the correct backup.
I just I I don't know. I have in my head like a decent,
maybe not a decent teardrop off is probably wrong but I I just
really like burden a lot I guess.
What do you guys? Think I love burden man Love
him. Especially for redraft, I think
like this. He's like the prototypical
second-half rookie breakout. Guy, this is starting to feel
pretty flat here. Yeah, I'm missing.
I there was guys that I was interested in that are gone.
So yeah, it's. Pretty I I kind of like Mooney.
I know he doesn't do it arguably a ton for team, but he goes
anyways. Yeah, I'm.
Every draft I I like mark off my rankings and then at some point
I give up and I just open the draft and start looking to see
who's there. I did that at the beginning.
It's so hard to keep up. It really is.
Doing that. Do you guys, do you guys have
some, some running backs you? Like I just wrote a couple that
I are the like the next ones for me.
Yeah, I like those. Yeah.
I don't I'm not like pounding the table.
That's just yeah, he's the there's nothing to pay.
We only. That's the very next one for me
as well. So.
I like your first one the most I think.
That's the best price relative to ADPI.
Think of the options. Yeah.
This is AI just floated a a name as well.
Yeah, I'd be OK with that as well.
I like some of the other guys, like he's not my favorite.
I think my favorite guy would be this dude.
Yeah, So he's the dude you just said is, is that's well behind
ADP2 rounds. That's where I, I mean, I think
that you get breakout potential there too.
Yeah, that's where I'm probably when, yeah, it's one of those
ones where you don't expect them to be here.
So like you kind of skip over them was probably what, right?
Well, part of the issue is one of the players we already have
is, I think, a little bit of a block from.
I don't know, I. Don't think dust settle though
at this. Price, yeah, we already have two
guys. It's not as that's.
One of the things where I like less worried about it from the
Sprint purposes and stuff like if we just bet on the team being
good and productive and throwing.
Yeah, I do think just from a value perspective where you see,
you know ertz goes in round 10, pits in round 10, no tight ends
in round 11, definitely feels undervalued here, so.
Let's just talk about it because only they're going to come back.
Strange definitely has a higher ADPI do have a conquer one pick
11 rank ahead. And I think he has a cleaner
path to being the clear #2 in his past game.
And one of the cases for Strange is that Hunter doesn't actually
run that many routes. And we have Hunter and we have
Tootin. So that's where I was like, I'm
a little bit. But if you guys all like the
Strange thing still, I'm fine. I have them back-to-back.
I'm not worried about the Jacksonville thing.
I could still go either way on the pick.
I'm just I'm not too worried about it at the prices we're
getting these guys. And yeah, I'm not.
We have. Yeah, I'm not.
I'm not worried about them like capping it at this price.
Like let's say hunter tanks and and Strange doesn't.
Make but it's not enough to go console.
Watchers interview. And I also.
Think that like. Jacksonville being a breakout
offense is a win for both like I think.
Yeah, yeah, that's fair. Like a top injury is a win for
both. There's some things that's
correlated. Let's do it.
I mean, he's a higher E You guys like him?
Let's go strength. Yeah, I like.
It I do I do like that idea of like how many times have we seen
the breakout offense, the fringe tight end comes along for the
ride like they. Where do you like, there's so
many times in like Week 6 where he was like, why didn't I just
draft all of these guys? Because they're the team that
scores points. You know, I think Jacksonville
could be one of those teams where it's like, yeah, they were
way under price primary points, they score.
And we're, I mean, if we're starting strange, we're just
hoping he's like catching 6 balls for 50 yards, right?
I mean, Oh. That's a smash at this price.
People do forget it's tight end premium.
So we got our quarterback Mahomes, we got our three
running backs, CMC, Tootin, Scatabo, 6 wide receivers, Puka
T, Mac, Xavier Worthy, Travis Hunter, Jordan Addison Luther,
Burden and now up to two tight ends.
Here is well Laporta in round five, Strange in round 12.
Leonie, I want you to know that my goal there was to make you
crack up on stream. You were successful.
I loved it. I heard it in my head too, you
know. Imperfect.
Why does Pitman go ahead of Downs now?
Downs was like everyone's favorite breakout early in the
offseason. Was going well ahead of Pit.
I don't know, but he's but he's good for Week 1.
Yeah, but I. Will say I don't.
Agree with it. I don't think Pitman should go
before Downs, but I did think the market was, prior to the
Hammy, a little too confident in Downs versus Pitman.
Like Pitman played through a back injury last year and like
still out targeted or targeted, it's very similar to Downs.
But don't you think it's on? We talked about that on the ET
pod, but don't you get a little of an of an overcorrection at
this point where it's like now Pitman goes in this draft, he
goes in the eighth round and then Downs goes in the 10th more
than two full rounds later. That's just a weird Pitman
price, I think more than anything, right.
I think, yeah, that's probably. Oh yeah, He doesn't really.
Go quite that high, does he? It's the ADP on Pitman is now
earlier in FFPC so. Yeah, it's in the 8th.
It's a full round ahead of Downs.
I think they should be going very close to 1.
But back-to-back, that's how I have it in my rankings.
OK, yeah, I'm not crazy. No I I have it close but downs
ahead. That's what I have.
Downs is the more fun. He's the better players is
honestly, yeah. Put in this safer routes guy
which. He's a safer bet for routes.
I think Downs is probably safer for targets.
Just try. I trust his ability to get open.
Since we take Strange Algier, who we were kind of considering,
Will Shipley, who are considering they both go Chig
goes a Denver defense, our first defense off the board, Hollywood
Brown, Brock Purdy, Woody Marks and Chris Rodriguez at the 1213
turn. So as we know in these FFPC
drafts, the running backs keep getting selected over and over
and over again. What's the What's the What's the
week 1 commander's backfield projection look like Leoty?
I think it's going to be one such that people are not happy
with it. Like.
Like Ackler, save it 70% of the touches kind of thing.
No, I actually don't like, no, I don't think they're going to
overload Ackler with touches. You know, I mean, it's not like
Ryan Robinson had like this crazy workload.
I just think there's some uncertainty there in terms of
how it's going to shake out between all the backs.
Well, especially for week 1. Especially for week 1.
And then I also that role is like not like that valuable
unless JCM is like really good. If you're, if you're betting on
JCM, you're hoping he's very good because the role itself
isn't that great. Yeah, right.
Did we get pretty positive Najee Harris news today with that?
He won't identify. Yeah, ready to go Week 1.
I got to move him up OK. He's he's been going late in
some of my ongoing slow. Is he practiced yet though?
I think he's been like fake practicing.
Yeah, they're like, he's jogging.
It's helpful. I'm like, what can you not see?
Because I'm like, I guess I'm still skeptical he's ready to go
week 1, although obviously they expect him back soon if he's
avoided NFI. Right.
It's mostly I, I think he's going to end up being mostly
fine, but it's, I mean, it's bad because Hampton's going to get
just more of a runway to immediately ice him.
Right. But as far as like Week 8, I
don't think we're saying like, wow, Naji Harris can't run
because of his eye. Like, I don't think we're going
to be saying that, no. We're going to say he can't run
because he sucks. I mean, it is going to be really
funny when he's like struggling and the film watchers are like
struggling to say with a straight face that he's like
struggling with his vision and like hitting the hole and seeing
his blocks and stuff. And we're like, I wonder, I
wonder why that is. Yeah.
All right, we're up in 2 picks after the Rodriguez pick.
IU goes Fields, goes Joshua Palmer, Ray Davis, we were
eyeing him a little bit. Rashad Bateman, 2 more picks.
Yeah, I think this first pick's probably going to be a back for
us. Brandon Aubrey goes.
It's a fun start guys, very fun start.
Yeah, this is a very fun team. It's always so fun when you like
have the pivot points and you're like, I guess we should just
take the homes here and hope we get the guys we want later.
And then you still, you just get those guys.
Yes. Oh, it's nice.
Hunter Henry goes. He was an interesting kind of
follower there with another tight end.
So we're on the clock here. I feel like we should grab
another running back. Yeah, yeah.
You guys want to play swing for the fences or try to get some
week 1 touches? Do you think if we get the week
1 touches we get the swing for the fences anyway?
I think we should do the swing for the fences first.
OK, really. But I guess they're, I guess
they're both. I don't want to do it because
Leone is the one that's like, I don't care.
About Leone wants to do it, anything.
If Leone wants to take the best running back in the league.
Well that's because just wait till you get the message I sent
that's. All right, we'll draft Keaton
Mitchell. Keaton Mitchell, Let's go
Famously, 6 of the 10 most best runs in preseason Week 1.
Keaton Keaton, best running back in football, per our guest last
week, Sean Siegel. And the top the preseason #1 for
our our current. Yeah.
I'm gonna start doing preseason countdowns of best running
place. I really want that content like
I'm not, it's not a bit. I want it.
I would watch it. I have stuff to, I've got things
that you know, I'm doing drafts. I want to put put some on give
me the best. If we if we find like a clip of
his week 1 pre season runs, yeah can we play that?
Yes. Now, Ben, I I will say you're
viewing a little close to a clip.
I know. But make sure there's no music
under it, because at that point, my friend, you have played a
clip on ship chasing. This team is famously young.
Those first two picks were the ultimate red herring.
Really threw people off the scent when we drafted.
We were just drafting age in a or descending order was sort of.
I want, I want on the record that I suggested Nick Chubb and
Leonie talk me back to the guy that I like more in Keaton
Mitchell. We'll talk the room back.
Even Brenton Strange is young. Like he feels like not a young
guy, but he's a young. Guy, I think Chubb because our
our we don't have an RB2 currently who's really going to
play 2 literally might be an active we.
Won like no there, no, yeah, I just, I feel like, I feel like
there's two backups to Chubb that and Chubb could just be
like, OK, one of them. I feel like Chubb could be like
instant instant dad. Like he might last 1/2.
Yes, he looked pretty decent in the last pre season game he hit.
5 yards I would have, yeah, maybe we should have taken chop.
I don't know the other. I mean, it's fine.
I love the guy. Ken Mitchell, I.
Love Leonie's just a slappy at heart.
I think that's what we have to acknowledge.
Not that name. Really.
I thought Pat liked him. Yeah, no, I do.
He loves him. I don't love him.
That's always just thinking, that's always loved him.
He's his favorite player. Ever since he entered the League
Two years ago. Rico goes so.
You're all right. You're.
Saved. Literally all three of the guys
went. Yeah.
Why don't we just do the cool thing?
Let's do the fun thing. I mean, we got to do.
Just put the private yeah, have some fun live just.
I mean, is that an option? Yeah, if we know if.
You know which one that is. Yeah, I don't know which who
that is, Ben. Yeah, all right, do the fun
thing. Is is it Giddens?
Or yeah, I could also say. I either way, I don't care
either way. Who do you want, Gretch?
Ben very quickly look at chat. Oh, I dude, that's I'm not, I
don't have. I'm not prepared to answer that.
Come on, I. Don't care, Peter, you picked.
Roll it. Roll the clip.
Roll the clip if. Leoti doesn't fucking care.
I mean my God. He's duck footed.
He looks really weird when he runs.
If it walks. Like a duck.
Wasn't. His run like compared to like a
duck. Toad good, duck footed bad and.
There's trouble. You call DW Duck duck.
Maybe it's. A duck.
He's losing like a round of draft capital.
Because of the direction of this beat point, I'm taking the duck
footed discount. Would he be better if he wasn't
duck booted? Probably, but like he just was
happening offense. I'm pretty sure he can fucking.
Move you're. Right, the running.
Style is crazy. It's like Russell Wilson, it's
not good. So yeah, I read that wrong,
though I really thought we'd get one at Chubb White or Dowdell
coming back. I think we start Keaton week 1.
Honest to God I don't know how they put the genie back in the
bottle after he did what he did preseason week 1.
I put the link in the chat. Let's just watch what he did
preseason Week 1 and then. There's no music to it and
there's some bad runs in there, so I think we'll be OK as far as
the clip curse. Goes All right, so we're we're
gonna grind some film here. Yeah.
I'm worried if someone's got a comment about his pad level.
He doesn't run low and up to the ground at at the end of the run
beginning, it's fine. OK.
You already watched the whole thing That I love that.
Yeah, I was watching it as we made that pick.
First one, there's nothing there.
This is the jump cut. I mean, how does he just get
outside and then 20 yards like nobody is so fast.
This is the. TV This feels like cope after
missing out on a week 1 starter. This is I mean.
Oh, now we're watching kick returns.
Nope, I don't. I don't need to see the kick
return, but that was he's fast. Look at dude, some of these are
so I want to see the spin move. Look at that.
He's bouncing off tackles. They say he's too small.
Look at that. I don't think that was a spin
move I was talking about. This is that he blows through
on. That's not this one either.
Is like the sky more the. End zone view is very different
than what I remember. There's the one where he got
grabbed by AD tackle and broke a tackle like that for a guy
that's that was all of his touches.
Oh my God, I must you're. The one who set the Cliff.
Ben, this is concerning. We just showed you all the
touches, like none of the ones I remember were in there.
Is there a different clip? Is is that the film that you
said? They're going to have to plan a
lot Week 1 after that performance.
I think we're good. I think we're good to start
tune. I have not seen the end zone.
View inactive tuning. I actually am hoping Tooting's
inactive so I can perfectly map on the HN arc to him that I've
been trying to push anyways. Man, I thought Rashad White and
we were joking Peter yesterday about it, but he has been going
in like the 170's in some of my slow drafts and he's like fine.
Yeah, yeah, Scratch, scratch. Let's.
Do it so. After.
All I heard that wrong. I heard that wrong.
We have a CMC puka T Max, Xavier worthy, Sam laporta, Travis
hunter, Jordan Addison, Patrick mahomes, bashel tooten week 1
starter bashel tooten, Cam scatabo, Luther burden, Bretton
strange Keaton Best running back in the NFL.
Just make sure you get the right pre season highlight.
Clip Mitchell and roll the clip. Harold Fannon.
Six more picks to go, two of them kicker in defense.
Four more skill position players here.
I was gonna, I was gonna lobby for Caleb if he had come back,
but not lobby. You guys.
I think we're on board. I think it's fine, yeah, but.
He went sadly. So all right, let me make sure
I'm not missing the the group chat.
We're all over the place. At at what point does does
Spears make sense? That's the one weeks.
So his ADP prior to that was 12 O1.
We're in the 15 O 9 we're talking about.
Can we stash him? He does go He.
Goes look. That guy's watching.
He's taking a lot of tools that we've talked about usually after
we talk about him, I think. Well, what about?
What about the other team we talked about?
Talking about yeah, if we have the right, yeah, I mean.
I just think both those guys probably stink and cannibalize
each other is really what it is. OK, all right.
I think from a best ball perspective, fine, but from like
I just don't. I struggle to see like wins
coming out of either guy, but then let's.
Let's take our biggest upside swing.
We're not solving the week one problem right now.
I honestly I think we just need to pick the best place.
I agree there is a guy on the coming back that I think we
should. OK then the last one I wrote is
our favorite. Week 1 play, that's the guy I
want to go with. Too.
I mean, not week one play. Our favorite.
Yeah, let's go. Right, Leonie, Were you good
with that? Yeah, I'm less optimistic than
you guys, but I think it's fine. Benon guy's the guy that I think
I would have went for the week one play, but I don't.
Think there's a guy that's like clearly going to play a decent
bit week 1. I'm with you on that one.
I'm with you. Yeah, OK.
You're, I know who you're talking about now.
Yeah, Yeah. Sorry.
Yeah, Yeah. No, I thought that was a good
one too that you referenced. I think we can.
I think we want both, which sounds like we do.
Then taking Smith first was the right move Is my is my view.
Do you? Guys think there's any chance
Damian Pierce has a weak one role?
Yeah, I do think there was. A chance?
Yeah, I literally just put him in the chat.
Oh, I didn't even see that. I think Kendra was, if you guys
don't think. Keith Mitchell's playing then.
Justice Hill. I didn't say Keith didn't.
I didn't think, I didn't say he wasn't playing.
Sorry. I just don't know if you have
like a super meaningful role. Yeah.
I mean, Justice Hill is is definitely startable if we're
looking purely for a start. I'm a little bummed on Kendra
because I think like. Yeah, he was a combination.
Of yeah, he was a combo pick. I thought he'd come back too.
The only other one is Roshan Johnson at this point, right?
Yeah, he just has not practiced at all.
So it's just hard for me to see him playing a big Week 1 role
with how particular Ben Johnson is.
But they've also been very, no one knows what's going on there.
I kind of like the Justice Hill is like the emergency Week 1
starter for us. It feels like it's a running.
Back like we can just drop them for a fun stash once we have
someone else we can start. Yeah, I I kind of like that.
I'm into it too. They're going to play him some
early. He's going to catch pass.
I mean that's what he he catches like 4 pass.
I mean, he's going to catch. They played the.
Ravens game script at Buffalo week one.
That's a Justice Hill. That's a Justice Hill, Yeah.
So take back everything we just said about Keaton Mitchell Week.
What starter can't put the genie back in the bottle?
The genie is going back in the bottle, I think.
She. Keeps going back in the bottle
for one week and then we're cutting him.
OK, I. Just want to say when you see
the sideline view he looks so much more explosive than the end
zone. Field.
I needed the I got to get that good view.
In the regular season last year against Buffalo, Justice Hill 6
catches, 78 yards and a touchdown.
Let's go. So I think we have basically
penciled that score in. It's already penciled in.
I put it in an ink. I'm going over it with Sharpie
right now. Yeah, is is Gretch.
How does Gretch feel about 35 year old Justice Hill finally
getting the the leadership back in this room?
I mean, he's a guy that we loved when he was super young and then
had a bunch of injuries and then finally hit when he was older.
So he's eternally young. Like he's like grandfathered
into being young. That's how it works.
Is he one of those guys who's sneaky young, Like, yes, Like
his age, Like how? Yeah, he's 27.
It's only 27. It turns 28 in November, that
is. That's honestly about as old as
I would have guessed. I think 29 not.
That young. This seems all right.
It is. That is amazing that Kendra
Miller went. Everyone that Leone has
referenced as like a good, like, wait on the guy is just going.
And I feel guilty because I think Leone's bringing them up
like a pick after he would bring them up with other people, but
he knows we'll reject. Them and so he like he.
Waits and then he's like, all right, Like there's no way they
can't say this. Dude, I we haven't we haven't
gotten one of these comments. It's so long.
Remember when this was the nicest compliment we got a
couple years ago? Are these guys drafting a
dynasty team that used to be? The.
Savage Bird that people didn't realize was was actually a
compliment. The $0.10 dynasty team thing and
you were like, yeah, that's how I want to draft my.
Actually, that is a great rule of thumb for how to approach
your drafts. Draft for upside and not get
tight. Vivian likes the the Ravens
backfield. He's literally pointing out our
draft and seems pretty happy about it so.
Nice. Oh man, there's one other guy we
could possibly start Week 1. Oh did I don't know if you guys
saw this I I posted this like right before I went live.
I was reading April books before bed tonight and her favorite
book right now is literally called The Adventures of Harold
Purple Brand. I was like.
That's very bullish for us. Dude, and the story she picked
out tonight, I kid you not, was Harold's trip to the sky going
to the moon, Harold cranking purple with a character named
Harold. I was like, it's.
Just too much, too good. It's.
So bullish. It's so bullish.
It's. Written in the stars.
Yes, all right. Yeah.
No, no, no, you're totally right, Leoni.
I was thinking about him as well.
But don't we have that like we don't need it twice?
Yeah. I mean, we could maybe play some
things based off actives and actives on the games is is we
have a couple. Options.
Yeah, I hear you. I hear you.
But no, I, I if we had nobody else we want, I probably
wouldn't do it. But.
Something in the chat said why don't you just play scataboo?
And I, I'd honestly be open to that, too.
He returned to practice. He played in the third preseason
game. I think he's going to have a
Week 1 role to some degree. I don't know.
What are you projecting that as you think, Leonie?
I haven't done their week 1 stuff yet.
I think Scataboo is probably fine.
I think we'll we'll have a better idea next week.
It's just hard to tell what they're going to do.
Yep, when these guys missed time and their their rookies and
stuff, Yep, you guys, maybe Statabo is, is the the RB2 like
pretty clearly like in the middle of the week and it feels
it's going to go that way. I think we would.
We would definitely start. Pat, is that guy really still
available? Yeah.
I think that's good, Pat.
We have room for one more there, probably.
Well, and there's a, there's a a ton of fun wide receiver Flyers
left. There are five guys I would be
interested in. Yeah, there are.
I also would be down for QB 2 but I didn't realize that.
Maybe not, maybe not with all these wide receivers that look
fun. Troy Franklin goes so our past 2
picks we 3 picks. We rolled the clip with Harold
Fannon, then took Brashard Smith and then Justice Hill.
We have two more non kicker defense picks.
Yeah, I think 1 running back, one, well, maybe 2 receivers,
but there's one running back. I still think it's probably a
pretty good pick if he's there. Yeah.
Where, where are you guys at on tight end?
Because I kind of feel like we could do it, but we don't need
to do it. I think we're.
We're sat on tight end, I think we're.
On that, I do love Jatavian Sanders, but.
Yeah, I like Jatavian. And there's there's another guy
I like too. I'm at the thing that's going to
move the needle most for this team is if we get lucky on a
running back. That's right, and I think that
probably should be the priority, even though there are a lot of
fun players. Yeah, even though it's it's.
I think. Oh God.
Damn it. What is it this guy?
I mean, I think we're in a Trevor ETN territory, dude.
Fade Rico Dowdle Dead silence that's got everyone so Dowdle
pill. I don't know, just I don't want
to say. Anything I said OK, Oh, I.
Didn't hear you say anything. Here's what's my last guy that I
I mean, I think RB moves the needle most We could do ETN.
I just don't know if we're gonna get the information, but I guess
the information could just be banking and injury Week 1.
What do you guys think about Coker 2?
It's like feeling trade rumors. Hunter Renfro released.
Everything's turning up Coker right now.
Yeah, I like Coker and I like, love Coker quite a bit.
I didn't realize Coker was still here.
I have him ahead of the guys that I was saying in the chat.
I'm. I'm fine with ETN.
We think Coker, these people aren't Coker, I feel.
Coker too, Pete. That's a good call all.
Right, let's do it. And then the question is, I
mean, I listen, right? Now is in on a lineup, right?
No who? No.
No, Addison. Hunter.
Oh yeah. Well, I mean, Hunter, we also
have Strange is like startable, you know too.
I love building out the the strength though at receiver.
I mean, that was AI. Think a fun, fun little pick
there, yeah. I would have gone Pierce even
though he's the worst pick since I think he was the last running
back. No, I I would have gone Pierce
too. Yeah, I like.
I like. I'm surprised Coker made it to
here. That's crazy.
Isn't he been Ryzen a punch? They just don't get as many
receivers drafted in in these, I feel like, you know.
OK, yeah, no, I guess he and all my like slows on Underdog.
He's been just gone before I can even take him.
It's annoying. The only I'm kind of
disappointed in you to not mention this guy so that I have
to at least float him out there. But you know, Miles Sanders did
make the team. I I thought about it, he barely
made the team and they put Moff on IR.
I think it's going to take an injury.
I don't know. We we could, it is uncertain
enough. We could see what happens, but
it seemed like as the offseason went on, I mean, clearly the he
might be an acting to make the team.
He might be an active week one with Lepke and and everyone.
He might be. He might be for sure.
Trevor Yan's going to play, he's going to return their kicks.
He's they took him like 5 picks after or 10 picks after.
Tuten, it's a name. It's a name when we're looking
at running backs, that should be mentioned again.
That should be, should have been mentioned by Leone, he dropped.
The ball I failed in a ball I just I really do.
I'm waiting a while later. So for me that's like after we
have filled all the still we filled the roster.
Yeah, I'm like, well, we should look at this week one in fab.
Can can anyone? Tell anyone actually the the
extra round on Sanders is bad. Yeah, can anyone tell me why the
9th drafted running back in the NFL draft this year whose
profile is actually pretty solid, who caught 20 plus balls
for two different college teams the last two years?
Has pretty. Good invasion stuff.
I just don't know a little pick whether we take him or not, why
does he go behind all the other running backs?
All of them? Everyone has gone.
Isaac Gorendo just got usurped as the backup and he's hurt like
everyone else has gone what Roshan Johnson went two rounds
ago? Why does no one want to take
Trevor ETM? I think people really don't want
to take a clear RB3. That's that's the answer.
I'm, I'm think we take Trevor ETM.
We need to we need to hit on a running back somewhere.
I'm good with ETN would slightly lobby for Horton just because
the offseason is broken so well. We're obviously going to drop
one of these receivers for running back at some point, but
we might get like a towel on like clearly keep Coker, clearly
keep Horton and then go to the running back.
I don't think ETN is going to get drafted, but I'm fine with
ETN as well. What are you saying by my?
Vote. I mean, I mean, I'm hard.
I vote. I vote ETN.
All right, I don't feel strongly, so let's do ETN.
He's the type of running back that we would like hunt a
receiver to go see, you know what I mean?
Like, I don't know. Horton is getting information on
him. See.
This guy keeps taking every dude we don't take like 2 seconds
after. Well, did you see he's got a 0RB
team? So that's what happened.
So they went neighbors London, Alan Evans, Waddle and then
Golden. And so it was Pacheco, Sharp,
Samson, Ford, Algiers, Spears, Hunter, Pierce.
They're just spraying and praying.
Yeah, My only, I agree the RV matters more.
I just don't think we're going to get information on ETN Week 1
and we would get information on the receivers to move after,
right? But I'm fine with just taking
them now and stashing them. That would be pretty information
on ETN if he's. Actually get some information.
Yeah, we're going to get information.
What is the information? We're going to get is he's not
playing. This is when I, this is where
I'm, I mean, that's, that's probably the most likely
outcome. I think there's at least a 10%
chance that he has some packages and some stuff that he's doing.
And everyone's just like way too confident that Rico Dowdell's
the clear and only backup running back.
They really liked him, dude. They tweeted out like they they
had these quotes that they were so pumped that Eric Eager, who
works for them now, had developed a model that showed
them that there was a fourth round run on running backs that
was coming so they could get their guy ahead of.
They took him ahead of like all these other rookies that are
being drafted. Richard Smith's a seventh round
pick. We took him 3 rounds ago.
Etienne went RB-9 in this class. This is the dude that like the
draft capital says, the team really, really liked him,
Probably wants to actually play him some at some point this
year. I mean, I'd be shocked if he
doesn't play this year over that over.
Time I I just I'd be surprised, pretty surprised if we I think
we were much more likely to get Coker and hoarding information
that's actionable to move on week 1 than we are Etienne.
That's fair and. Comparing to Brashard Smith, you
guys are the Brashard Smith slappies, OK?
Not me, yeah. Yeah.
But also, I mean every other guy Polish Brooks, like all these
dudes. And the cut off is around pick
110. You know, that's where I'd say
it's about equivalent to like a first rounder.
Any later than that is really more like.
A 111 and see what he was in 114, Yeah.
Who's in the kicker and defensive lap?
Have you done those projections, Leonie?
I. Think I just Google DST kicker
tears establish the run and I cross those off as they go.
So I'll bring those up. Thank you.
I know the defense we want to take for sure.
It's there, it's just never there.
It's the one that Gretch and I failed to deliver to Silva the
other night. That's right.
I just thought you'd say that. I just picture him like City got
his throne. Yeah, you guys the.
Humble peasants, we failed to deliver you the Cardinals
defense on your silver platter. No, hey, we're going to get
sniped. Keep it in the private chat.
God can't believe you just said that.
Now we're not delivering it again tonight.
Come on, I think you need to be put on trial now.
You have to. Be the one who failed to deliver
it to Lodi. The trial was so good.
The trial was so good like. That bad talking?
About Jordan. Voices was so funny.
Oh my God, I was I. Was dying.
I was sitting there like like this the whole time.
I hope Drew Davenport sees that that video I have.
No clue, I'm sure he has. Like how would he not have seen
that at this point? I've watched that video multiple
times and I just like, I'm thinking in my head like that,
that's so impressive that you just, you did all of that by
yourself. Well, not.
Not the editing, just. Just performing well, I mean,
but even just like all the acting, I'm like, I'm thinking
about like how many takes it took and like how you must have
felt like in your office doing these characters.
At one point I did like Lauren literally thought like there was
like a neighborhood dog dying when I was arfing in the in the
basement very loud. I will say the the sloppy
drafter song. So Buck, who wrote that and
sorry, sacrilegious wrote it. Buck saying it.
He's working on getting it up on Spotify.
So I'm going to tweet out the full video to that song.
There's actually a full core pre first verse about Jalen Knoll
that it didn't make the best ball pros video because I'm like
this is this is slowing down the momentum of this video, but
it'll be released in the in the full cut and he's going to try
to get it up on Spotify. Unbelievable is Noel.
Do I need to get publicly executed for talking about?
Arizona, yes. Yeah.
I hope you're. Happy hunting our week 1 on this
team. Can we look at Week 2 matchups?
I I got our backup defense, but I will be a gentleman and not
spoil it. OK.
This is the same backup defense we went with.
Yeah, have to assume so. I think so.
I think it's I think it's the right the right do.
We take the kicker or do we take the defense?
I want to take the kicker first but I mean I'm open.
He's been going PK4 lately. This is a slide for him.
I don't I I I'm. Just really happy, you know that
and I'm happy to take him. That's it, That's all I got.
All right, Cam, Little reaching Tootin, Bill and Bowers level
ownership across our portfolio. Yes, let's go Cam little dude.
Did you guys look, can we look at that kick?
That was an impressive pre season highlight that I could
well deliver on. Pete, can you, can you find the
sideline view on that? Because from the end zone it
actually doesn't look very good. Oh my God.
Did I heard you talking about this with Sean Gretch?
I thought he was a rookie, too. He's not a rookie.
No, but he's 22. He's a Year 2 breakout.
Oh, Cam Little. Yeah, he kicked last year.
He only missed 2 kicks all year and didn't miss an extra point
like he's. Don't remember his name once
last year. Yeah, he kicked for him all last
year. We've got him I.
Don't think Siegel did either. When he started wanted to take
him, he was like they got this rookie kicker.
I'm like Siegel. They had him last year, buddy.
Cam Well is definitely a right wing slappy pick for kicker as
far as kickers are concerned. Really.
I thought he was firmly left wing slappy after.
I feel like anybody who watched him kick a 70 yards like fuck
yeah Cam Little. This dude made a 70 yarder in
preseason. It's the slaps who are on that
this year. But that is pretty right wing
slappy to be like. That's both sides of the meme.
I think right. Meme that's like bell curve
meme. I think right wing slaps like
name recognition, name brand at kicker like that's why the like
there's. Nothing more right wing slap
than scouting pre season like. That guy who said one pre
season. Hide up to the ground.
Yeah, that's some right wing slappiness, what have you.
Slapped. Wing Slappy is highlights that
aren't even that good, but there's one jump cut you
remember exactly. That's what I was going to say.
What? Happens if you find the sideline
angle. What if you scout it but not the
end zone view and you get it all wrong?
With a double defense. Yes this is right wing slappy.
Was Brad and Aubrey 7 rounds? Ago OK, they'll there can be
more than one right wing slappy pick, but that is correct.
Well, you know, I haven't run the numbers on Cam little, but
the metrics might be good. The metrics might be good.
Maybe he's a center left. Wing slappy kicker is the dude
that got hurt in the Sprint and you only want one kicker and
you're like talking to yourself into that.
Right. Why?
Why?
We got to do. This now I've been I've been
sniped enough in this draft. Well, I'm the one I was talking
about myself when you were telling me that I can't do it
that way. That's what I was actually
thinking of, but I forgot that that did happen to you, which is
why that. Happened, but it happened to me
and I lost money because of it. Thank you, Joe Nedney.
Oh no. All right, Leonie, can you have?
You put the key this serious? Oh.
Yeah, Tucker and Butker. Jeez.
I don't even know if he's slappy though, just right wing.
I think that guy ran the clock down because he's watching back
this the other stream the Rams. Don't we got sniped on the
defense because the guy went double defense?
That's right. What do you want?
The. Backup the.
Back I mean the. Gross thing is the Bengals,
their defense sucks but they're playing the Browns and Joe
Flacco will take will Chuck it around a little bit, but I
don't. We don't have to.
We've Seahawks is San Francisco, but then they're at Pittsburgh
versus New Orleans. Put Bengals in the queue, Pete,
and then we'll. Find I do, I got him in there.
I mean, their defence is probably bad, but at the Browns
is a is a play, you know, Yeah. What?
About the Raiders, are they at home?
Giants. What about Giants just purely
playing the pass rush even though it's not a good match up?
Yeah. They're at Washington.
That's actually not that bad. Dolphins at at Daniel.
Sachs, I don't think. Dolphins at Daniel Jones sounds
pretty good. Yeah, Dolphins is fine.
Where are they? Well.
Pretty sure. They're already gone.
Thank you Joe Flacco in advance for your.
Picture. Oh no, they were.
They were literally all the way at the bottom.
I didn't even see Miami, sorry. No, it's all good.
It was late. There it is.
The team is in the books. Here it is.
Sorry. All of it's Corey Christian,
McCaffrey Pukanakua, the oldest start in the history of fantasy
football, followed by Ted Arroyo.
Mcmillion, Xavier Worthy, Sam LaPorte, Travis Hunter, Jordan
Addison, Patrick Mahomes, Bashel Tooten, Cam Scatabo, Luther
Burden, Brendan Strange Keaton The best goddamn running back in
the NFL. Mitchell, please do something.
Week 1 Harold, roll the clip fannin.
Rashard, please don't get cut. Smith Just kidding.
We're past cut day. You made the team.
Congrats. Justice Hill might need you to
catch 2 1/2 balls. Week 1 Jaylen Coker kick Adam
Thielen out the door. Trevor Etienne do something to
Rico Dowdel and asleep Cam Little in Cincinnati defense.
How do we feel about what about the team guys?
Well, I think this sums it up pretty well.
We're such a great draft. Beautiful by Slappy.
Slappy likes the drafts. Leoty, did you?
Because you had been critiquing some of our drafts from afar.
You saw what we were doing, the slappiness.
Did you feel like you were pulled into the slappy vortex on
tonight's draft? No, I don't.
I feel like what What? I'm with you guys.
As Pat said, I might wait a little bit longer to suggest
certain names that fall elsewhere on the Index.
Slap slaps. Yeah, on the slapsticks.
But I feel like I know the types of players you guys like and
then the players that I like that fit that mold, and then I
can kind of, you know, make it work, you know, You know what I
mean? Yeah, yeah.
What did what did you think about the Herzig tweet from
yesterday saying that our ship chasing curse clips have thrown
people off the scent of Hannon actually being fannon actually
being a good pick? A lot of wish casting, you know,
by, by Herzig and hoping that the, the curse is broken.
I think my, my idea is that we sacrifice Fannin to the, to the
gods. You know, the the team's going
to do well. Fannin is still cursed.
Can I can I tell a a few things? Let me tell a few clip pieces of
lore. So a couple things.
Last year, Greg Branos, the Coach Speak Index, he tried to
reverse the curse by paying some men in Miami or in Florida to
make a Jalen McMillan thing that did that kind of worked and then
it didn't. I I would say jury's still out.
I would say the Herzig tweet is this year's equivalent of the
Coach Speak Index thing of trying to reverse the curse with
Fannin. And all I'm saying is good luck.
Good. Fucking luck.
What I will say though, is our producer Zach, who again, shout
out to Zach, did so many of the phenomenal Easter eggs and edits
on the best Ball Bros video. He's been making some of these
clips for us. Last year he made a Bucky Irving
clip that we rejected, rejected it.
He like it was there and I literally said it's just not
going to the hopper. Like it's just not happening.
I kid you not. Tonight he sent me in the DM.
He said, is it too late for a clip?
I pull it up here while we were drafting.
It was a Tooting clip. Oh my God.
So what are you doing? Fucking not.
Absolutely not. I sent him a gift that said not
today Satan, and I told him to go to bed.
So I just want you to know like if you're trying to map.
I will say in the in the history of the in the history of the
clip lore, I love that we're at the point where people are like
trying to pay other people to perform things to make the clips
work or like Herzig is just like tweeting vaguely sympathetic
things like it used to be. It used to be years ago that you
would just get the sub tweets like how are these slappies on
Sky Moore? How are these dudes on the Visca
Chenault? They don't know what they're
talking about. That's all it was was.
Constant. Yeah.
What do they know? But at this point.
Now they're all trying to reverse it at.
This point they're like, feel bad about it.
It's like. You know what, maybe these guys
just one hit. Like can you do something else?
Yeah, you you think this is you can't just tell us this a dot
show you literally will never fucking see.
It you'll never see. It never.
You'll never see. I'm not sure even see the Bucky
1 and I don't want it. Never, it is never been.
I watched the Bucky one once and never saw it again.
I literally slid it to the recycle bin on my desktop, which
is exactly what I did with the Tootin clip today.
Amazing. It will never be seen.
Zach, if you need to meet Bill me for the I just know I did not
sign off on that. Come on.
Pete, this is a bit of a loophole you're creating with
Zach where you can just take all of our ice exposure guys and
send us clips. You're not even going to watch
him. You just got to move, but they
won't even watch him. This is what he said, so he said
he said honestly more convinced that this ends like bucking out
going to start making clips of all my biggest stands and hoping
you refuse to play them. But this is the meta.
It's. Very.
It's literally. I mean it's profitable because
the players hit if he does this. Yes.
And. We.
Put that all right, Leonie Gretch.
Always a pleasure drafting with you guys, Leonie.
What should be people be looking out for at ETR other than those
hot hot Week 1 projections? I mean, that's what you got to
look out for me. Jack and Dank are going to be in
the lab tomorrow getting the first draft done hopefully by
end of day tomorrow. They won't be released on site
that early, so don't hound me, but we're putting a ton of work
into them and I'm excited for DFS Week 1.
Don't hound me bro, it's. Going to be fun, stretch.
What about you? Cranking out some more pieces
here as we enter the the Labor Day weekend home stretch.
That's right. I got I'm going to do a like a
favorite pick in each round type.
Whatever my guys saying that team high value touch thing I
mentioned late last week going to get that out.
I did a super flex strategy guide today because people
wanted it. Yeah, a lot of good.
Stuff. Sean and I are doing, we had an
auction one last week also because people begged for it.
Sean and I are doing like 3 mains in the next week so those
will be up on stealing bananas. Yeah, cruising.
Beautiful. Almost week, 19 days. 9 days
we're going to be Pat and I will be back with the crew on
Thursday for a finale main event draft with Crack Rock.
I know everybody has penciled that on their calendar, so
that'll be our last draft stream.
We'll also be announcing our plans for the ship cast on that
stream. So if you've been wondering
about that, we'll be sure to get you guys the details.
Obviously, a ship ADP chasing from today.
The guys had a ton of ground to cover with all the ADP risers
and followers, so make sure you check that out.
Pat, what do you got going on at Leg Up?
Yeah, check out the Legendary Running Back Scenarios article
if you haven't yet. I narrated it on the Legendary
Upside Podcast, wherever you get your podcast, and the article is
free on the site. Dove into 11 running backs
looking at legendary and silent killer scenarios for all of
them. Matt Irby had an article out on
the site this morning. He's going to have another one
tomorrow morning. I'll have a couple articles out
this week. We're also going to have
articles for Week 1 coming out pretty soon, including the
walkthrough my My Game by Game preview for the main slate.
So I'm going to start writing that kind of probably like late
this week, I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be diving to the lab on
that so. Yeah, dude, that I I'm just
getting so excited for the week 1 stuff here and talking about
projections walkthrough and I'm getting excited about drafting
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Thank you to Gretsch Leone, we got producer Nick in here.
Appreciate you all the guys in the chat, all the Seals, all the
slaps from Ship Chasing Nation. We'll see you guys next time.